| 00:01.16 | Jaffa | http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/2S7.html FTW |
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| 00:08.11 | screamingn800 | killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled. p |
| 00:09.23 | screamingn800 | killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled. Penguin n skypeis reallyzgood though. |
| 00:10.49 | screamingn800 | bloody n800 v-keyboard! |
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| 00:16.14 | pupnik | get the stowaway |
| 00:16.52 | killfill | heh.. |
| 00:17.01 | killfill | screamingn800: i sent you a /msg with my mail... |
| 00:17.08 | lcuk_3 | apple bluetooth kb is nice :) |
| 00:19.05 | killfill | hehe.. |
| 00:19.18 | killfill | screamingn800: you forgot to attach it! |
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| 00:24.00 | screamingn800 | killfiillDont |
| 00:24.36 | screamingn800 | Urkk. killfill: I don't think I have godlike powers on irc. /msg don't work with me. Try the jedi hand waving thing. (I'm not registered sorry.) |
| 00:27.03 | pupnik | someone with OS2007 please try installing http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html |
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| 00:29.03 | screamingn800 | killfilll |
| 00:30.33 | screamingn800 | killfill: No attachment; really? BUGGER lemme try again. |
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| 00:36.54 | screamingn800 | killfill: El dom, 17-02-2008 a las 00:05 +0000, escribió: cool man! |
| 00:43.20 | screamingn800 | Hey, killfill: So I'm an Antarctic Penguin resident in Catalunia who drinks British beer and Rumanian plum brandy. In Spain. OK ;-) |
| 00:43.51 | killfill | jaja... |
| 00:44.29 | killfill | i actually hate beers.. |
| 00:44.57 | screamingn800 | Puke----- |
| 00:46.08 | killfill | shit. |
| 00:46.14 | killfill | it works.. yay! |
| 00:46.40 | screamingn800 | YeeHaaaa! |
| 00:50.44 | __marker | hi |
| 00:50.55 | screamingn800 | I want to get the virtual filesystem that does transparent .gz .tgz .whatever going but you beat me to it. It seems. I just compiled the silly thng ;-) |
| 00:51.02 | __marker | does vnc exist for chinook? |
| 00:51.43 | __marker | vncviewer |
| 00:51.53 | screamingn800 | __marker, Yep |
| 00:52.04 | Navi | tightvnc, I believe |
| 00:52.23 | killfill | ls: ./Musica_sofsis: Permission denied |
| 00:52.23 | killfill | :S |
| 00:52.33 | killfill | damn.. the permitions things works just like nfs.. |
| 00:52.42 | __marker | and where? |
| 00:52.43 | Navi | :P |
| 00:54.29 | __marker | ok found thanks |
| 00:54.51 | screamingn800 | killfill: Me too! |
| 00:55.04 | Navi | me 2 |
| 00:55.35 | screamingn800 | N00bies all ofus |
| 00:56.56 | killfill | hm.. |
| 00:57.01 | killfill | drwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 Jan 22 23:44 Musica_sofsis |
| 00:57.11 | killfill | the think looks just like all other dirs.. user cnanot see it.. :S |
| 00:59.09 | killfill | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted |
| 00:59.15 | killfill | user cannot execut the thing neither.. |
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| 01:16.55 | screamingn800 | killfill: Bugger ! Oh well, that's one more thing not to try. |
| 01:17.18 | Navi | can't chmod +x? |
| 01:20.15 | pupnik | What do you think about this idea for mouse click emulation in dosbox. Screen functions as a touchpad for moving mouse; stylus clicks do not cause a mousedown event. When cursor is in position, hitting dpad-enter with stylus down generates a left mouse click, while 'esc' button with stylus down generates right mouse click? |
| 01:21.00 | screamingn800 | Gnite all...2 much of that Rumanian plum brandy 2 keep on hacking ;-} |
| 01:21.10 | pupnik | ok cheers screamingn800 |
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| 01:22.46 | dskippy | Does anyone know if I can control the master volume of the N800 from within a python program? |
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| 01:24.01 | dskippy | I'd like to control them with the zoom hardware buttons. |
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| 01:56.41 | Proteous | omg, just got sshd running on my appleTV |
| 01:56.47 | Proteous | !!! |
| 01:56.55 | Proteous | through a crazy amount of crazy hackage |
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| 02:01.45 | lcdd | steve won't approve :| |
| 02:03.39 | Proteous | SORRY STEVE!! |
| 02:03.42 | Proteous | really, I am |
| 02:04.14 | Proteous | but maybe you should think about adding default support of normal video file formats and some functionality to mount remote drives |
| 02:04.17 | Proteous | maybe |
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| 02:09.38 | poiuz | someone knows how to shutdown Xomap on n800? |
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| 02:10.01 | poiuz | whenever I do /etc/init.d/x-server stop the device will automatically reboot .. |
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| 02:19.14 | djtansey | flash isn't working for some reason. says to install player. i apt-get removed/installed macromedia-flashplayer. it says no installation candidate. advice? |
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| 02:30.06 | Screaming | Damnit, I just can't sleep worrying over this. |
| 02:30.38 | Navi | Over what? |
| 02:30.42 | Screaming | Surely someone knows why enumerating midi devices with alsa on the n800 fails. |
| 02:30.57 | Navi | 'cuz Linux midi support fails |
| 02:31.04 | Screaming | Maybe it's..something undiscovered... |
| 02:31.20 | Screaming | Like the answer to Life the Universe and everything. |
| 02:31.42 | Screaming | 42, but with real mice and stuff. |
| 02:32.03 | Screaming | Some kind of ... linux distributed intelligence. |
| 02:32.18 | Screaming | qIt's..Oh, no... |
| 02:32.38 | Screaming | My DVD drive just poked out it's caddy. |
| 02:32.55 | Screaming | And the laser is waving around, trying to... |
| 02:33.16 | Screaming | Aaaargh! Gotta warn the world..It's alive |
| 02:33.34 | pupnik | why do you want alsa midi? |
| 02:33.40 | pupnik | do you have an application that uses it? |
| 02:33.48 | Screaming | ...and it's... |
| 02:34.13 | Screaming | Bill Gates!!!!! |
| 02:35.26 | Navi | ... |
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| 02:50.03 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7UidW2tMtQ Static compiler for x86-ARM, running a dos program natively on ARM |
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| 03:12.37 | genome4hire | So i'm trying to get tor compiled for maemo. I'm a newbie to the scratchbox environement. Tor is failing to ./configure due to a lack of libevent. |
| 03:12.48 | genome4hire | I've been unable to find a libevent package for the N800. |
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| 03:19.34 | pupnik | genome4hire: add a debian source repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get source libevent |
| 03:19.56 | pupnik | then go to the directory and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in that directory |
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| 03:53.25 | elb | any idea why I can't insmod ext2.ko on OS 2008? |
| 03:53.42 | elb | it says "Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory" |
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| 04:26.41 | genome4hire | Ok. Things are better. I'm trying to create a .deb of tor for maemo. However, "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b " fails for tor (it worked just fine for libevent), because the tor debian package requires latex/gs and a bunch of other stuff for the documentation. Any advice on how to tell buildpackage to not build the docs, and just compile the tor stuff? |
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| 04:30.50 | pupnik | elb: give the full path to the .ko |
| 04:30.57 | pupnik | iirc |
| 04:31.41 | pupnik | genome4hire: heh. welcome to porting to maemo |
| 04:32.24 | pupnik | the answer is dependent on the package you are building |
| 04:32.36 | genome4hire | Ok. Let me try this another way. |
| 04:32.37 | sssshhhhhhhhh | can't seem to get the soduku (tomiku) game working on the latest OS on an n-800.. sad. |
| 04:32.46 | pupnik | genome4hire: look in debian/rules |
| 04:32.50 | genome4hire | the .deb i'm trying to build wants latex, which wants gs, which wants libpaper1. |
| 04:33.04 | genome4hire | and libpaper1 fails to dpkg --configure, as i'm not root in the scratchbox. |
| 04:33.05 | pupnik | latex is a beast |
| 04:33.42 | pupnik | i'd look if you can disable the docs in tor's ./configure, then look in debian/rules and debian/control to remove dependencies |
| 04:33.49 | pupnik | you can also try to brute-force the build |
| 04:34.03 | pupnik | with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -d (-d will remove dependency check) |
| 04:34.20 | pupnik | sometimes the configure will go through without some dependencies |
| 04:35.04 | pupnik | there might be also the option to install tetex instead of lated (apt-cache search tetex) |
| 04:36.03 | pupnik | sssshhhhhhhhh: i hope you don't expect any assistance based-on that problem description |
| 04:36.29 | sssshhhhhhhhh | was hoping to start a dialog, that's all. |
| 04:36.46 | sssshhhhhhhhh | See if anyone else has run into the same issue? |
| 04:36.53 | genome4hire | thanks pupnik |
| 04:37.22 | johnx | sssshhhhhhhhh, don't look at me. I can't stand sudoku :) |
| 04:37.41 | sssshhhhhhhhh | it's a good time waster :) |
| 04:38.03 | johnx | every time I see a sudoku board I just want to write a solver for it and be done |
| 04:38.16 | sssshhhhhhhhh | hahahaha. |
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| 04:39.54 | sssshhhhhhhhh | I just downloaded the developer's kit and got hello world working on it... |
| 04:40.23 | sssshhhhhhhhh | so, I was going to try playing with the source code from tomiku... |
| 04:40.33 | sssshhhhhhhhh | unless someone else had some ideas. |
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| 04:44.36 | pupnik | cool beans sssshhhhhhhhh ... we need more ppl porting/fixing stuff :) |
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| 04:45.37 | sssshhhhhhhhh | yeah, I haven't done any porting to maemo yet... I wanna try, though. |
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| 04:47.03 | pupnik | i think you'll find that if you stick with it for a couple of weeks, it becomes very fun, almost addictive :) |
| 04:47.48 | sssshhhhhhhhh | really? cool.. any tips/tricks/things to start with? |
| 04:49.32 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html this is a pretty complete intro |
| 04:49.53 | pupnik | but that's more than you probably want to read to start |
| 04:50.10 | pupnik | i think just starting with a game you want to build (like sudoku) is best |
| 04:54.06 | sssshhhhhhhhh | I saw that and thought it was pretty large :) but looks interesting... |
| 04:54.07 | sssshhhhhhhhh | thanks... |
| 04:56.41 | Navi | pupnik, :P |
| 04:57.26 | pupnik | alright i think i have a scheme for left/right mouse clicks in dosbox |
| 04:57.32 | Navi | oh? |
| 04:57.49 | pupnik | yeah problem is all stylus taps count as mouse clicks right now |
| 04:57.52 | pupnik | and there's no right click |
| 04:58.09 | pupnik | so i might be able to instead disable stylus mouse clicks |
| 04:58.32 | pupnik | and set the dpad enter key to be left mousedown, IF the stylus is also down |
| 04:58.42 | pupnik | and likewise set esc to be right mouse down |
| 04:59.09 | pupnik | in either case, if the stylus is down, then esc and enter won't be passed-on to the DOS program |
| 04:59.13 | pupnik | sound good? |
| 04:59.59 | Navi | heh |
| 05:00.16 | Navi | why not - and + instead? |
| 05:00.16 | genome4hire | Ok. |
| 05:00.18 | genome4hire | I got it building |
| 05:00.26 | genome4hire | so now I need to switch from i386 to ARMEL |
| 05:00.32 | genome4hire | as the build environment, right? |
| 05:00.33 | Navi | genome4hire, :3 |
| 05:00.45 | genome4hire | hacking that debian rules file was quite unpleasant |
| 05:00.59 | pupnik | i do everything in ARMEL target |
| 05:01.06 | Navi | really? |
| 05:01.24 | pupnik | haven't found a reason to use the x86 yet |
| 05:08.42 | pupnik | Navi: i'm using those to adjust game speed, and they're a bit awkward to reach on the n810 |
| 05:08.55 | Navi | mmk |
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| 05:16.20 | genome4hire | tor_0.1.2.19-1~~etch+1_armel.deb |
| 05:16.23 | genome4hire | w00t |
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| 05:35.50 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.21 | genome4hire | After all that work, I found out that the fscking tor package is already in http://debfarm.free.fr/ |
| 05:36.27 | genome4hire | sigh |
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| 05:40.35 | sssshhhhhhhhh | ok - I dunno what I'm doing, but I'm trying to recompile tomiku for chinook... it seems to be missing some dependencies... |
| 05:43.04 | pupnik | sssshhhhhhhhh: you can add repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox, then install the dependencies |
| 05:43.18 | pupnik | search http://gronmayer.com/it/ to see if your dependencies are available somewhere |
| 05:43.37 | sssshhhhhhhhh | ahhh cool, okay, take a look at that. |
| 05:43.57 | sssshhhhhhhhh | err.. I'll take a look at that. |
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| 05:49.15 | _acyd_ | since when does linksys have the source for their routers available? |
| 05:49.46 | Tama^2 | it's been a while |
| 05:50.06 | Tama^2 | but it's not exactly kept up to date |
| 05:50.10 | Tama^2 | if you know what I mean |
| 05:50.11 | Tama^2 | ;) |
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| 05:54.49 | _acyd_ | well the source for my router is the current version |
| 05:56.11 | acydlord | so i'm downloadng the source and the v23 source for ddwrt |
| 05:56.22 | Tama^2 | cool |
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| 05:59.22 | sssshhhhhhhhh | stupid crashing firefox |
| 06:07.33 | Navi | There's always the forks of the linksys routers |
| 06:07.54 | Tama^2 | that's what ddwrt is :) |
| 06:08.15 | Navi | and openwrt, not to mention several others |
| 06:11.27 | acydlord | ddwrt is my favorite so far |
| 06:11.41 | acydlord | i was looking at the selection, they didnt have the buffalo ones preloaded with ddwrt there |
| 06:11.51 | acydlord | but they did have the netgear opensource ones |
| 06:12.39 | Proteous | what's webif2 |
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| 06:13.37 | johnx | a different/more complete web based control panel |
| 06:14.17 | acydlord | johnx does it work on the wrt160n? |
| 06:14.36 | johnx | I have no idea |
| 06:14.52 | johnx | I just have a plain vanilla wrt54g |
| 06:14.54 | acydlord | i guess i'll check that later |
| 06:15.00 | acydlord | thats what i had |
| 06:15.12 | acydlord | but a friends wrt crapped out on her so i decided it's time to upgrade and donate |
| 06:15.27 | johnx | acydlord, x-wrt.org is where to look for info |
| 06:15.33 | acydlord | thx |
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| 06:16.02 | Hrw|tablet | Hi |
| 06:16.12 | johnx | hey, Hrw|tablet |
| 06:16.22 | johnx | acydlord, I used to have a 32MB wrt54gs but I ended up giving that to my parents, then not finding another GS capable of running Linux... |
| 06:16.38 | acydlord | i think mine is the gl |
| 06:16.46 | Hrw|tablet | 32mb ram not flash? |
| 06:17.05 | acydlord | i had to do a mini and then full firmware |
| 06:17.06 | johnx | Hrw|tablet, the older GS was 32MB RAM, 8MB flash, IIRC |
| 06:17.07 | Hrw|tablet | I use gs 8/32 flash/mem |
| 06:17.30 | Hrw|tablet | One of first models v1.1 |
| 06:17.46 | johnx | I miss mine :( |
| 06:18.21 | Hrw|tablet | I am thinking of replacing it with more powerful hw |
| 06:18.56 | johnx | you need more guts for routing or for doing other stuff? |
| 06:19.08 | Hrw|tablet | Other |
| 06:19.15 | Hrw|tablet | File server |
| 06:19.22 | johnx | aah...I could see that |
| 06:21.14 | Hrw|tablet | Printserver would be nice too, but i use scanner from my printer from time to time |
| 06:21.40 | Hrw|tablet | And wrt lack Gb ethernet |
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| 06:22.18 | johnx | Hrw|tablet, I broke down and just got a gigabit switch |
| 06:22.21 | Hrw|tablet | Ircing from os2008 IM is even quite usable |
| 06:22.39 | Hrw|tablet | I lack power connectors |
| 06:22.50 | Hrw|tablet | For switch use |
| 06:23.00 | johnx | ah...I'm running out of outlets here too |
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| 06:23.23 | Hrw|tablet | I have only 12 under desk |
| 06:23.32 | acydlord | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.42 | acydlord | i almost bought another 24 socket strip today |
| 06:24.10 | Hrw|tablet | O fsck |
| 06:24.18 | johnx | ?! |
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| 07:39.38 | Tobotras | Can I change a font of GtkButton? |
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| 08:21.59 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 09:50.22 | cbx33 | hey all |
| 09:50.27 | cbx33 | why can't I install skype |
| 09:50.34 | cbx33 | it says it can't install libhildonfm2 |
| 09:50.42 | cbx33 | well i think the roblem is it can't upgrade it |
| 09:50.47 | cbx33 | it wants version 49 |
| 09:50.50 | cbx33 | and i have 46 |
| 09:50.58 | cbx33 | but 49 doesnt' appear in my list anywhere |
| 09:51.09 | cbx33 | anyone have a sources file i can use as a reference |
| 09:51.13 | cbx33 | this is really nnoying |
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| 09:53.21 | cbx33 | any ideas? |
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| 10:00.17 | t_s_o | some times i wish Compile and friends would set of the system bell when it prompts for sudo password... |
| 10:02.31 | t_s_o | oops... |
| 10:02.59 | t_s_o | memo to self, check your channel before hitting enter :P |
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| 10:21.23 | jku | cbx33, You probably have an older OS version |
| 10:22.01 | jku | cbx33, check settings->control panel ->about product |
| 10:22.19 | jku | should be version 2.2007.50-2 |
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| 10:40.30 | cbx33 | yeh i think i do |
| 10:40.33 | cbx33 | flashing up now |
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| 10:48.32 | cbx33 | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image |
| 10:48.36 | cbx33 | what the heck does that mean |
| 10:50.13 | sp3000 | that you're trying to flash with a fiasco that is missing a compatible version of a required part, usually |
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| 11:11.28 | cbx33 | sp3000 |
| 11:11.31 | cbx33 | i have an n810 |
| 11:11.35 | cbx33 | and i just downloaded the latest software |
| 11:11.38 | cbx33 | but it won't flash |
| 11:12.16 | sp3000 | which latest software? |
| 11:12.35 | cbx33 | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 11:13.14 | doc|home | oh man, new software? |
| 11:13.27 | doc|home | I just had mine all set up as I like it :| |
| 11:13.48 | cbx33 | mine wouldn't install skype and a reflash was coming upany way |
| 11:14.21 | sp3000 | how does your flasher commad line look? |
| 11:14.59 | djcb | emacs22 on n810: http://tinyurl.com/3d65ww |
| 11:15.38 | cbx33 | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44 -f -R |
| 11:15.49 | cbx33 | where RX-44 = the file mentioned above |
| 11:16.37 | cbx33 | sp3000, is that wrong? |
| 11:17.15 | sp3000 | that looks ok, but it's not a direct copy so I don't expect it to have the errors of he original, if any :) |
| 11:17.51 | cbx33 | ok |
| 11:17.53 | cbx33 | lemme get it |
| 11:18.02 | cbx33 | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 11:21.31 | sp3000 | "RX-34" |
| 11:21.43 | sp3000 | != 44 |
| 11:21.46 | cbx33 | oh |
| 11:22.24 | cbx33 | HAHAHAHA |
| 11:23.52 | cbx33 | sp3000, now i do feel stoopid |
| 11:24.05 | sp3000 | it happens |
| 11:24.15 | cbx33 | i guess |
| 11:24.22 | cbx33 | everything else seemed ok |
| 11:24.27 | cbx33 | i didn't check the beginning |
| 11:25.05 | cbx33 | man it seems so slow flashing now |
| 11:25.11 | cbx33 | i think for some reason it's using usb 1 |
| 11:25.15 | cbx33 | it used to use usb 2 |
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| 11:48.13 | cbx33 | grrr......trying to update nokia package lists.... |
| 11:48.30 | cbx33 | it's really slow downoading.... anyone know y? |
| 11:49.04 | Tobotras | How to I change a font of Gtk widget? |
| 11:49.43 | cbx33 | like bits/sec |
| 11:49.51 | cbx33 | not kb/sec |
| 11:50.37 | lcuk_3 | whats the command line syntax to uninstall a cold and sore throat from a human? |
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| 11:51.02 | |thunder | does firefox for meamo support flash 9 ? |
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| 11:53.22 | lcuk_3 | cbx33, the host box might have downgraded itself - we saw it on windows where after one software update (webcam driver) made all ports old slow usb |
| 11:53.56 | cbx33 | ahh |
| 11:54.23 | lcuk_3 | you can mainly tell when you plug in a usb2 memory stick - windows tells you it can run faster |
| 11:54.33 | lcuk_3 | but the chances are on here youre not using win.. |
| 11:54.45 | cbx33 | true |
| 11:54.50 | cbx33 | ;P |
| 11:55.02 | |thunder | who here has metaspliot and aircrack up and running ? |
| 11:55.22 | |thunder | also, anyone know of any bluetooth securtiy auditing software that works on nokia n800 ? |
| 11:56.09 | cbx33 | the people who made bllover have something |
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| 12:03.25 | cbx33 | man what is up wih this.... |
| 12:03.39 | cbx33 | downloading 1Kb for the last 5 mins |
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| 12:06.50 | lcuk_3 | cbx33, would you like me to type the binary to you (might be faster) |
| 12:07.07 | lcuk_3 | 110100101101110110101101101101000101000101010101001010111101010111010101010101011001 |
| 12:07.09 | cbx33 | heheh |
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| 12:24.04 | cbx33 | what is the maemo details for application manager? |
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| 12:30.49 | cbx33 | this link slow for anyone else http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/maemo-mapper/?get_installfile |
| 12:32.01 | Kompo | nokia seems to have some problems with the internet provider.. |
| 12:32.03 | cbx33 | is maemo.org broken? |
| 12:32.07 | cbx33 | grrrr |
| 12:32.10 | cbx33 | not again |
| 12:32.12 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 12:32.18 | Kompo | many nokia sites seem not to work.. |
| 12:32.25 | cbx33 | yeh |
| 12:32.28 | cbx33 | so i see |
| 12:32.34 | Kompo | just the day i decided to try update n93 software.. |
| 12:32.39 | cbx33 | yup |
| 12:32.42 | cbx33 | me too |
| 12:32.46 | cbx33 | with my n810 |
| 12:34.30 | cbx33 | grrrr |
| 12:37.53 | konttori | Hey, anyone tried gtkmozembed? |
| 12:38.14 | konttori | I'm checking out the python bindings and wondering if anyone has ported those to the platform |
| 12:38.16 | konttori | http://www.pygtk.org/pygtkmozembed/class-gtkmozembed.html |
| 12:38.40 | konttori | Seems to be a really nice way to add some really cool stuff to some applications |
| 12:39.23 | konttori | Seems like the library is on the device: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/control?root=browser&rev=978&view=markup |
| 12:39.38 | konttori | (microb-gtkmozembed) |
| 12:41.43 | konttori | anyway, should anyone know about that stuff, please contact me! |
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| 13:19.28 | ustunozgur | hi, I have created a simple speeddial page for microb, just in case anyone is interested: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=143556#post143556 |
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| 14:10.43 | pupnik_ | argh busybox is crippledzor |
| 14:10.56 | pupnik_ | first=`echo ${drives:0:1}` won't work |
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| 14:22.34 | maddler | pupnik_: I've got some Fn keys not working on dosbox |
| 14:23.16 | pupnik_ | what language keyboard? |
| 14:23.39 | __marker | first=${drives:0:1} ? |
| 14:24.34 | maddler | italian |
| 14:24.44 | maddler | on 810 |
| 14:24.53 | pupnik_ | yeah that would make sense __marker .. but busybox shell doesn't like that either |
| 14:25.08 | pupnik_ | maddler: try in DOSbox typing: keyb it |
| 14:25.41 | pupnik_ | maddler: i think we will need to customize the dosbox mapper for every language :/ |
| 14:26.30 | maddler | doh... |
| 14:26.44 | maddler | lemme try |
| 14:27.10 | pupnik_ | __marker: the {} works in real bash, btw |
| 14:27.35 | pupnik_ | i need to increment a variable in busybox in a loop A,B,C,D,E |
| 14:28.50 | pH5 | pupnik_: for drive in A B C D E; do ...; done ? |
| 14:29.43 | pupnik_ | yeah but i need to iterate through a certain number of elements |
| 14:29.57 | pupnik_ | for item in $mylist |
| 14:30.19 | pupnik_ | variable number |
| 14:30.21 | __marker | first=`echo $drives| sed 's/^\(.\).*/\1/'` |
| 14:30.42 | __marker | took me a minute to type this on a n800 |
| 14:31.07 | __marker | +` |
| 14:31.08 | dtahtbot | __marker: Error: "`" is not a valid command. |
| 14:31.26 | pupnik_ | ` will execute |
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| 14:32.28 | pupnik_ | that sed command works __marker - for the first letter |
| 14:32.57 | pupnik_ | how to get the nth letter? |
| 14:35.09 | wnd | echo $foo | cut -c $i |
| 14:35.51 | pupnik_ | yaay busybox has cut :) |
| 14:35.54 | pupnik_ | thank youuu |
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| 14:40.18 | maddler | pupnik_: no way... |
| 14:40.36 | pupnik_ | but now i can't increment $i |
| 14:41.21 | maddler | pupnik_: and also using keyb it some keys are not where they are supposed to be... :) |
| 14:41.29 | pupnik_ | right |
| 14:43.15 | __marker | i=$(( i+1)) |
| 14:43.17 | wnd | i=$(expr $i + 1) ? |
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| 14:43.52 | pupnik_ | i=$[i+1] didn't work - trying those |
| 14:45.26 | pupnik_ | __marker wins! |
| 14:46.39 | wnd | __marker's way should be faster too. I just never learned to use $(( ). btw is that bashism or does it also work with sh? |
| 14:46.54 | pupnik_ | busybox didn't like the expr |
| 14:47.28 | wnd | weird. expr seems to work just fine on os2008. |
| 14:52.54 | __marker | i think this is posix (it works with dash at least) |
| 14:53.21 | pupnik_ | thanks much, now dosbox install finds and automounts DOS directories on mmc |
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| 14:54.31 | wnd | ah, silly me. I should've tried that myself. |
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| 15:10.53 | pupnik_ | maddler: if you make a keymapper (mapper.txt) for italian keyboards, i will include it in dosbox for nokia |
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| 15:21.48 | Tobotras | Anybody knows how to access contacts? EContact & co? |
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| 15:28.23 | Tobotras | Okay, are system apps available in source? osso-addressbook? |
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| 15:31.55 | pupnik_ | sorry Tobotras don't know |
| 15:34.46 | __marker | should exist since it is in repo 'free' but apt-get source doesnt find it |
| 15:38.20 | jku | __marker, osso-addressbook is in the local nokia binary repo |
| 15:38.54 | jku | so closed source AFAICT |
| 15:39.34 | jku | there's a howto, though |
| 15:39.35 | Tobotras | damn |
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| 15:40.11 | __marker | repository.maemo.org chinook free |
| 15:40.16 | Tobotras | jku: on reading the data? There is no, or at least I didn't find. The one available is on connecting and showing data using ready to use libs |
| 15:40.55 | jku | Tobotras, haven't used it, so you're probably right |
| 15:42.47 | jku | __marker: where exactly do you see that? If I do a "apt-cache policy osso-addressbook" I see "file: chinook/explicit" |
| 15:43.55 | jku | Tobotras, what do you want to do, btw? |
| 15:44.11 | __marker | same cmd on the n800 os2008 |
| 15:44.30 | Tobotras | jku: read addressbook entries. Making contact viewer which I'll be able to use :) |
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| 15:45.42 | jku | Tobotras, Don't need addressbook for that, I believe, just use EDS (package libebook, maybe, not sure) |
| 15:46.33 | Tobotras | jku: yep, using it. Trying to figure out how does it stores phones. |
| 15:46.47 | Tobotras | jku: hence looking for any application doing the same... |
| 15:47.39 | jku | not sure of Pimlico Dates does that, might be worth a look |
| 15:49.38 | Tobotras | jku: thanks |
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| 15:51.27 | jku | __marker, do't know where the problem is but the chinook free repo does not have osso-addressbook: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/ |
| 15:52.28 | __marker | yeah i'm lost |
| 15:52.48 | __marker | and a reinstall does work |
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| 16:01.21 | Tobotras | jku: thanks, found it in Pimlico Contacts :) |
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| 16:05.03 | jku | yeah, Contacts of course, not Dates. np. |
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| 16:09.53 | __marker | jku: repository.maemo.org/rtcomm |
| 16:10.54 | __marker | but no src.. |
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| 16:44.28 | pupnik_ | thx again for the help __marker. i'd appreciate hearing from anyone with OS2007 to see if dosbox installs on it http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html |
| 16:45.49 | __marker | welcome. thx for your contributions |
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| 16:51.39 | konttori | jku: are you sure osso-addressbook is open source? |
| 16:52.02 | konttori | backend is open source (EDS), but it is often the case that the UI is closed |
| 16:56.28 | __marker | konttori> jku said it's closed src, even if it is in the 'free' directry. anyway, how to know as theres no attached license? |
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| 17:02.50 | konttori | where is it in the free dir? |
| 17:03.41 | konttori | __marker: Interesting if the source is available from somewhere |
| 17:03.48 | __marker | repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/... |
| 17:04.46 | konttori | also the source? |
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| 17:05.04 | __marker | konttori> i think you can forget about the src |
| 17:05.28 | konttori | Indeed. I would have expected to not to find them out there |
| 17:06.04 | johnx | maybe it would be easier to make a list of things we *do* have source for, than things we *don't* have source for... |
| 17:06.20 | konttori | Indeed, it would be a good thing to have |
| 17:06.35 | konttori | OTOH: The list of things of source is much longer |
| 17:06.35 | __marker | make a s |
| 17:06.49 | konttori | as most of the non-visible stuff is open source |
| 17:06.50 | johnx | I think the licenses get caught by docpurge on the tablets... |
| 17:07.07 | johnx | but most of the visible stuff seems closed |
| 17:07.10 | __marker | make a script that greps in /var/lib |
| 17:07.26 | konttori | yeah. Which makes sense, as nokia is protecting its assets that way |
| 17:07.38 | johnx | yes. it's just disappointing |
| 17:07.44 | konttori | I'm not sure if it couldn't be done in other ways as well, but that surely seems to be one way to do it |
| 17:08.25 | __marker | and docpurge did Not remove the license in /usr/share/doc it is not included at all. and then its free :) |
| 17:08.49 | johnx | __marker, heh :P |
| 17:09.09 | __marker | ok gonna do this script |
| 17:10.24 | konttori | Hey, is anyone in here who is interested in themes? |
| 17:10.42 | johnx | I am |
| 17:10.57 | konttori | I'm just about to release the version of theme maker that uses the official templates instead of the previous partial ones |
| 17:11.07 | johnx | very cool |
| 17:11.30 | konttori | What platform do you use (xp / osx/linux)? |
| 17:11.40 | konttori | I can make a test package for you now. |
| 17:11.46 | johnx | linux |
| 17:11.53 | johnx | debian/ubuntu specifically |
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| 17:14.37 | konttori | ok. Well, I'm packaging the osx version in there anyway. Cause I use that myself. |
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| 17:15.22 | johnx | sure, anything's fine for testing. even tar.gz is ok with me :) |
| 17:16.37 | konttori | Do you have java installed / have you used thememaker before? |
| 17:16.48 | johnx | I can get java easily |
| 17:16.55 | konttori | ok, get sun java |
| 17:16.55 | johnx | (I might even have it...) |
| 17:17.17 | konttori | java is surprisingly nice considering how well java apps work across platforms |
| 17:17.34 | johnx | oh, I already have it :) |
| 17:17.37 | konttori | I would love if python was also (along with some common toolkit) available cross platforms |
| 17:17.42 | johnx | I do wonder what dragged it in already... |
| 17:18.06 | konttori | Ok, I'm now sanity checking it before I upload the package to garage. |
| 17:18.50 | konttori | Seems like it's capable of creating theme with the default settings... now Just need to test that theme... |
| 17:19.02 | elb | great, now my n810 won't boot |
| 17:19.06 | elb | this is not my week for computers |
| 17:19.16 | MangoFusion | just give it a bit of a whack |
| 17:19.20 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 17:19.27 | MangoFusion | (ok, maybe not) |
| 17:19.42 | konttori | Is the device completely failing to even start to boot? |
| 17:20.01 | elb | yes, if it's plugged in; no, if it's not |
| 17:20.02 | konttori | If so, remove the battery for a few mins, attach it and try again (worked for me previously) |
| 17:20.07 | johnx | elb, if you can't figure any way to make it turn on, try pulling power and battery for >3 minutes |
| 17:20.31 | elb | if it's not plugged in, it starts to boot, the progress bar comes up, and when it fills the screen it just sits there forever |
| 17:20.51 | johnx | ah |
| 17:20.57 | johnx | do you have ssh server installed? |
| 17:21.09 | elb | I do |
| 17:21.23 | johnx | is it getting on the wireless? |
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| 17:21.56 | elb | looks like no, according to the dhcp server |
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| 17:23.06 | konttori | Ahh.. so, theme maker 1.1.1 downloadable from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3404/ThemeMaker1.1.1.zip |
| 17:23.20 | konttori | It includes default template for plankton. |
| 17:23.44 | konttori | And I just tested creating the default theme from it and worked just great. |
| 17:23.49 | johnx | hmm...If you need to get data off of it, I think I remember someone flashing *just* a modified initfs that got it to bring up usb networking and a telnet server |
| 17:24.12 | elb | well, I keep all of my data on mmc2 |
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| 17:24.14 | elb | so that should be fine |
| 17:24.21 | konttori | Did you do backup? |
| 17:24.27 | elb | relatively recently, yeah |
| 17:24.41 | elb | I think I am going to have to reflash it |
| 17:24.47 | konttori | Backup is really reliable these days. Has saved my ass many times |
| 17:25.03 | konttori | Kudos to people who made it! |
| 17:25.13 | elb | it doesn't make me happy that I have to re-flash it at all, though |
| 17:25.37 | konttori | what did you when it crashed and burned? |
| 17:25.53 | elb | I got up this morning and it was powered off |
| 17:25.58 | elb | I suspect its battery died in the night |
| 17:26.26 | johnx | konttori, seems to run fine. even came with a free __MACOSX folder :) |
| 17:26.56 | konttori | Wohoo! Extra folder! Damn. Give it back to me! |
| 17:26.56 | johnx | what is the licensing on the the plankton theme template? |
| 17:27.16 | konttori | I'm checking. ... |
| 17:27.22 | konttori | gpl if I remember correctly |
| 17:28.17 | konttori | Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 |
| 17:28.42 | konttori | Hmm... Do I need to separate it from the theme maker zip? |
| 17:29.01 | johnx | so, to make a theme that I could GPL I'd have to make sure I remove all traces of the original template pictures? |
| 17:29.10 | konttori | Probably not, but I'll include the copyright notices there. |
| 17:29.26 | konttori | Yeah, that should do the trick. |
| 17:29.53 | konttori | although, I quite think the CC is a better license for it anyway |
| 17:29.58 | konttori | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/COPYING |
| 17:30.17 | johnx | Out of curiosity, I know the pkg-maemo guys working on maemo packages for debian had run into some kind of licensing issue with CC 2.5 and maemo themes |
| 17:30.48 | johnx | I don't pretend to understand the legal situation but I think they can't really package CC 2.5 themes unless the license is changed to CC 3.0 or something |
| 17:31.17 | konttori | Well, plankton is made by Tuomas Kuosmanen, who works for nokia. |
| 17:31.25 | konttori | So, I don't see how that could be an issue |
| 17:32.10 | konttori | I'll try to talk to him about it next time I see him |
| 17:33.19 | konttori | johnx: were you able to create the theme out as well? |
| 17:33.29 | konttori | As in, get the debian to the dir. |
| 17:33.36 | johnx | just feed it the defaults and hit build theme? |
| 17:33.41 | konttori | yeah |
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| 17:33.55 | konttori | that should do it |
| 17:34.07 | konttori | defaults should also be automatically the right ones |
| 17:34.43 | johnx | it seems to want to look for the background and source image in my $HOME by default rather than ./ |
| 17:35.12 | johnx | also, there's nothing in the layout drop-down... |
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| 17:36.07 | Hrw|tablet | Hi |
| 17:36.22 | johnx | konttori, ah nevermind |
| 17:36.26 | johnx | it depends on how I run it |
| 17:36.26 | konttori | Ah. Ok, well, can you copy the layouts folder to home |
| 17:36.40 | konttori | Ok. Can you give instructions on how to run it 'right'? |
| 17:37.09 | konttori | I'm assuming it works the same way as windows and osg work (as in run in the folder it was executed in) |
| 17:37.11 | johnx | cd ThemeMaker1.1.1 && java -jar MaemoThemeMaker.jar |
| 17:37.24 | konttori | odd... but thanks |
| 17:37.44 | johnx | if I double click the .jar in nautilus it runs but maybe the cwd isn't set correctly? |
| 17:39.06 | Hrw|tablet | Finally made Polish layout for n810HW keyboard |
| 17:39.08 | konttori | Sounds odd anyway. On osx and windows jars are executed in the folder you doubleclick on. |
| 17:39.34 | konttori | johnx: but now that you were able to run it in correct folder, were you able to create the theme? |
| 17:39.35 | johnx | it works if run from the command line in the ThemeMaker1.1.1 directory |
| 17:39.42 | johnx | built the default theme no problem |
| 17:39.51 | konttori | ah. cool. |
| 17:40.19 | johnx | anyways, I should actually catch some sleep |
| 17:40.23 | johnx | really late here O_o |
| 17:41.10 | johnx | I'll poke around theme maker in the next couple days, and tell you if anything doesn't work. thanks for creating it, BTW :) |
| 17:41.13 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 17:42.20 | Hrw|tablet | Hi ph5 |
| 17:42.21 | konttori | night! |
| 17:42.29 | Hrw|tablet | Su johnx |
| 17:42.36 | pH5 | hi Hrw|tablet |
| 17:44.45 | lcuk_3 | ssh root@me sudo apt-get remove cold flu |
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| 17:45.26 | lcuk_3 | can some1 tell me why that doesnt work? ^ |
| 17:46.00 | pH5 | lcuk_3: because virus writers most often don't package their work properly. |
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| 17:48.49 | lcuk_3 | damn, thats probably the closest to a real answer i can expect |
| 17:50.02 | jku | lcuk_3, maybe you should reflash, just to be sure? |
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| 17:53.13 | lcuk_3 | already tried that, its taken me the last 10 years to rebuild my app list |
| 17:53.40 | jku | yeah source based distros suck that way :) |
| 17:54.11 | lcuk_3 | slow cpu :( |
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| 18:54.55 | Tobotras | http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/notap_0.1-1_armel.deb -- a year from now this will be handy contact viewer :) |
| 18:57.37 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:58.06 | alterego | Maybe you should try working with a more productive language ;) |
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| 19:00.48 | novaterat1 | What is the best way to SMS on the n800? |
| 19:01.04 | GAN800 | Try online or AIM? |
| 19:01.09 | novaterat1 | And is there a better channel for that kind of question? |
| 19:01.13 | Tobotras | alterego: sure :) I wanted to revive my dusty C skills too |
| 19:01.47 | alterego | novaterat1, you do realise that the N800 isn't a phone right? |
| 19:02.14 | novaterat1 | I know about gizmosms, but i need a way for people to text me back, i don't know how to do it with pidgin |
| 19:02.22 | novaterat1 | Yes i'm using one right now |
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| 19:03.03 | alterego | I don't know of any services that allow 2 way SMS communication over the internet. |
| 19:03.10 | novaterat1 | I just wanted some advice from experienced users |
| 19:03.11 | alterego | Your best bet is to talk to a mobile phone. |
| 19:03.51 | GAN800 | phonelink, maybe. |
| 19:04.42 | novaterat1 | I don't have a cel phone |
| 19:07.26 | anima | you need custom sms server i think |
| 19:07.44 | anima | and connection to some telecomm - company |
| 19:08.08 | anima | easier and cheaper to get a cel i think |
| 19:09.29 | novaterat1 | Ok, i mean pc skype does this already, so i was just hoping there was a common method |
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| 19:09.47 | anima | skype is pretty closed system |
| 19:10.11 | novaterat1 | There were some sms-email services i found but their number is UK so i don't know if it would cost the sender like $2 a text or something |
| 19:10.23 | novaterat1 | I'm in the usa |
| 19:10.30 | dskippy | I'm trying to figure out how to programatically change the system volume. I just keep find Hildon objects to display a volume widget. Is there a way to set the volume of the whole system? |
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| 19:11.49 | dskippy | I'd like it to be mapped to the +/- zoom keys if possible. |
| 19:12.23 | novaterat1 | I've heard you can do it with yahoo, i'll check that out even though i would prefer using pidgin |
| 19:13.30 | GAN800 | dskippy, see the source for adv-backlight. It'll cover the gconf changes. Just have to tie those into a key. |
| 19:14.01 | dskippy | Will do, GAN800, thanks. |
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| 19:19.05 | khertan | Hi ! |
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| 19:19.29 | novaterat1 | Hello |
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| 19:20.06 | khertan | I trying winzig on my n810, but it s seem's there is a problem ... header of treeview isn't displayed as it should be (it s work on my desktop computer (python2.5 too)) |
| 19:20.21 | khertan | do u know a bug about this on maemo python implementation ?. |
| 19:20.45 | novaterat1 | Are there any other n800 rooms is this the main one or is there a better one for enduser stuff |
| 19:22.10 | jku | khertan, not necessarily a bug -- some hildon widgets have different default values than plain gtk |
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| 19:23.28 | khertan | jku: hum ... is it right for gtk widget ? |
| 19:23.35 | khertan | too ? |
| 19:24.18 | jku | khertan, I was not clear: I meant gtk widgets on maemo, not just hildon |
| 19:24.25 | khertan | i ve also an other thing as a vertical gtk separator isn't display too on maemo ... but is displayed on my desktop computer |
| 19:24.33 | jku | I'm not saying it's right but that's what they do... |
| 19:24.37 | khertan | jku: ah ok ... i ll try to set value |
| 19:24.54 | khertan | jku: yeah ... but it could be that ... :) |
| 19:25.03 | khertan | thanks for the tips |
| 19:25.23 | jku | khertan, remembered right: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159 |
| 19:26.20 | GAN800 | novaterat1, this is it. |
| 19:27.15 | novaterat1 | Ok, thanks |
| 19:28.02 | khertan | This was a deliberate change in defaults driven by UI specs. |
| 19:28.08 | khertan | a bit strange |
| 19:28.23 | khertan | thanks for your help jku ! |
| 19:30.56 | melmoth | Any parisian velib user around ? |
| 19:40.38 | khertan | melmoth: no ... sorry ... to high price ... and too many stupid dispatch ... ! |
| 19:43.46 | khertan | jku: it was that :) |
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| 19:53.20 | melmoth | khertan: i m thinking about writing a coopilot stuff for velib. |
| 19:53.57 | melmoth | something to help you navigate while cycling, only audio feedback, no visual, so you dont have to read the screen |
| 19:54.30 | melmoth | something that would tell you like, 10mn in advance that you need to change bycle in order not to be charged, and where is the nearest one |
| 19:54.42 | melmoth | maemo-mapper has already the nice sql sentence to find nearest poi :) |
| 19:55.15 | melmoth | and of course, that would tell you where you are heading to, and where is your destination (direction and distance). |
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| 20:32.44 | elb | man, reinstalling is a nightmare |
| 20:32.52 | Navi | yay |
| 20:33.07 | Navi | I've had a few nightmares |
| 20:33.30 | elb | especially when the application manager crashes all the time |
| 20:33.31 | Navi | Like the nightmare where I dreamed that I owned an N800 |
| 20:34.29 | felipec | elb: you mean reflashing? |
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| 20:34.39 | GAN800 | elb, app manager was weird when I did the reinstall last week, but it was a lot better when I restored from an OS2008 beta when 50-2 came out. |
| 20:35.23 | konttori | |tbb|: you around? |
| 20:36.03 | elb | felipec: well, the reflash itself is pretty painless |
| 20:36.13 | elb | it's restoring all the third-party packages that's a nightmare |
| 20:36.33 | elb | (it failed when it tried to do it automatically, and left things in a sufficiently broken state that I had to reflash again) |
| 20:37.28 | Tobotras | Can anybody make me a favour and run small test program? I can't figure out what's wrong with my EDS... |
| 20:38.04 | felipec | elb: that's why I install only a few packages :) |
| 20:38.22 | elb | I do, too |
| 20:38.33 | elb | but even that takes forever when app manager crashes every 2-3 packages |
| 20:39.47 | elb | the telepathy junk, gpe-calendar, gpe-summary, maemopad+, fbreader, and some unix utilities |
| 20:39.51 | elb | is just about it |
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| 20:40.24 | GAN800 | Be nice if there were a way to restore the backup with apt . . . or somebody could fix app manger--it is open. |
| 20:41.11 | elb | I have a list of things I want to fix on this thing as long as my arm ;-) |
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| 20:42.44 | b0unc3 | hi |
| 20:45.38 | elb | unfortunately I didn't receive it until well after my major hacking window for the quarter |
| 20:45.46 | elb | (ugh, computer froze up in between) |
| 20:46.08 | elb | (my laptop died yesterday, my desktop is freezing, and my n810 wouldn't boot this morning ... it's not a good weekend for my computers) |
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| 20:54.15 | MangoFusion | probably needs a bit of TLC ;) |
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| 20:55.04 | jku | elb, that has to be something specific to your setup. I can't remember AM crashing once on me... |
| 20:55.40 | jku | Tobotras, what do you need? |
| 20:56.55 | elb | jku: well ... it crashes every few apps I install, here |
| 20:56.58 | Tobotras | jku: nothing already, thanks. Moved from async to sync ebook open, it suddenly started to work :) |
| 20:57.02 | elb | jku: and it's done it on multiple installs |
| 20:57.07 | GAN800 | jku, it was doing that to me when I was setting up my backup N800 last week. |
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| 20:59.45 | elb | all right, now how do I *really* shut this thing off, so I can see if it will boot properly |
| 21:00.56 | elb | ahh there is a shutdown command |
| 21:02.43 | GAN800 | Just turn it off without the charger plugged in. . . . |
| 21:06.25 | elb | easy enough |
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| 21:17.10 | Tobotras | Is it possible to resize a gtk scrollbar? |
| 21:17.38 | keesj | to make it finger friendly? |
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| 21:19.06 | Tobotras | keesj: yep |
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| 21:20.25 | tbb | rm_you: are you around? |
| 21:20.38 | konttori | tbb: did you ping me earlier? |
| 21:20.55 | tbb | yeah |
| 21:21.04 | konttori | tbb: did you get my reply? |
| 21:21.31 | tbb | im not at home, but i think i get it |
| 21:22.11 | tbb | im on web irc right now |
| 21:22.19 | Tobotras | jku: can you please install http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/notap_0.1-1_armel.deb and run "notap" from shell? Will it be able to open address book? TIA |
| 21:23.12 | keesj | http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-93122260d3fd11dc958e2b3f7b7a87be87be/original_youamp-0-3-0.png |
| 21:23.37 | keesj | Tobotras: this was for you , I don't know how they did it |
| 21:23.49 | Tobotras | keesj: yep, that's what I'd like to know :) |
| 21:25.16 | keesj | I think (and that was what I was searching for ) ther is an open source clone of the default media player called something like mmpc (maemo music player client thingy) |
| 21:26.22 | keesj | nope sorry sending you in the wrong direction http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 21:26.54 | keesj | But I do think it should be there |
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| 21:27.28 | keesj | the default scrollbars are very finger unfriendly |
| 21:28.17 | keesj | I do prefer the kinetic scrolling scollpanes because the look cool and use less screen space |
| 21:28.37 | melmoth | Tobotras: it is possible. |
| 21:29.11 | blafasel | Got some mp4a (?) files from my brother yesterday (created for his Nokia phone, with a Nokia media tool) and they played barely/very choppy on my N810. Is that a known problem/limitation? |
| 21:29.26 | melmoth | Tobotras: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14275 |
| 21:30.16 | Tobotras | melmoth: thanks! That's it |
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| 21:32.34 | Tobotras | It even works :) |
| 21:37.47 | blafasel | Hmm.. No one tried mp4 stuff yet? Have to search the forum/boards, I guess. |
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| 21:47.07 | mmr | anyone in |
| 21:47.38 | mmr | seems not |
| 21:50.09 | Navi | mp4? |
| 21:50.16 | Navi | as in mpeg-4? |
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| 21:56.34 | jku | Tobotras, yeah, notap works (not over ssh though) |
| 21:57.20 | Tobotras | jku: fine, thanks. Weird thing, it fails to open ebook on my friends' n810... |
| 21:58.09 | jku | Tobotras, if I try over ssh, the window opens but I get "Error opening ebook: Cannot open book" |
| 21:58.38 | Tobotras | jku: wow. And it starts correctly from desktop menu? |
| 21:58.52 | jku | from local xterm |
| 21:58.56 | jku | I'll try menu |
| 21:59.01 | Tobotras | I see |
| 21:59.18 | jku | fine from menu |
| 21:59.52 | Tobotras | jku: funny |
| 22:00.09 | Tobotras | jku: can you please diff over env's? |
| 22:00.14 | jku | Tobotras, actually the ssh error must be because I was root |
| 22:00.33 | Tobotras | jku: can you please try as user? |
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| 22:02.12 | jku | Tobotras, works fine. So notap works whatever I do :) |
| 22:02.29 | Tobotras | jku: thanks! |
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| 22:02.48 | pupnik_ | blafasel: why did your brother create mp4 files and not ogg or mp3? |
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| 22:08.33 | lcdd | mp4s? pfft. even oggs don't work on the tablet |
| 22:09.52 | __marker | lcdd> work on mine.. |
| 22:10.51 | pupnik_ | Is it correct that apple pushes 'mp4' because they cripple or can't play common open or open formats? |
| 22:15.01 | lcdd | __marker: haven't been able to play ogg files. streams are fine but the decoding seems to use a lot of power so i don't bother |
| 22:15.59 | __marker | lcdd> thats the drawback of ogg.. cpu needed.. |
| 22:16.34 | GAN800 | mp4 > ogg in support and > mp3 in quality. |
| 22:16.55 | MangoFusion | forget ogg's and mp3's |
| 22:16.58 | MangoFusion | wav is where it's at! |
| 22:17.39 | Navi | flac > wav |
| 22:18.06 | |tbb| | which mplayer rls supports a2dp support at best level for tablet |
| 22:19.45 | johnx | |tbb|, the one that rm_you posted in the a2dp thread on itt |
| 22:20.54 | __marker | mp4 or aac? :) |
| 22:21.12 | __marker | l thought mp4 is a cointainer |
| 22:21.15 | GAN800 | aac |
| 22:21.39 | pupnik_ | so disable lame mp3's lopass filter with -k and run your comparison again |
| 22:21.45 | Navi | mp4 is a container |
| 22:22.28 | Navi | but he's probably refering to the mp4 iso standard. |
| 22:22.33 | |tbb| | ah k |
| 22:23.29 | pupnik_ | lame --preset extreme -k -V0 -q0 $file $outname |
| 22:30.00 | __marker | hum libtool segfaults under scratchy. :( damned |
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| 22:35.49 | __marker | anybody ever had ldd segfaults in scratchbox? and how to solve? |
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| 22:48.51 | |tbb| | johnx: it wont work after i followed the instructions which on itt |
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| 22:54.50 | braddbr | hi.. i am looking for a second charger for my n800.. will a usb-based charger provide the same mA output as a wall charger, or will the usb charger take longer to charge? |
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| 22:57.56 | lcuk_3 | usb gives 500ma max - im not sure what the wall charger gives, but the plug itself should tell you |
| 22:58.10 | braddbr | ok.. i think i saw 800mA on the ac adapter |
| 22:58.10 | lcuk_3 | from what i understand it does take longer |
| 22:58.44 | lcuk_3 | i wonder what would happen if you tried charging 800->800 ;) |
| 22:59.03 | lcuk_3 | the USB OTG gives 100ma, i wonder if it will manage to transfer |
| 22:59.49 | lcuk_3 | i think i need a usb charger for my 810 - the plug charger is next to bed but just too far away |
| 22:59.50 | braddbr | dunno.. if you know of any specific store in us (or canada) that sells adaptors n accepts paypal, plz let me know.. else i will order form ebay |
| 22:59.59 | braddbr | :( |
| 23:00.09 | braddbr | maybe it will charge faster if you use a powered usb hub :) |
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| 23:00.29 | lcuk_3 | do you have a walmart type superstore around - cos over here in england we can get things like that |
| 23:00.41 | braddbr | oh.. yeah, we have wal-mart |
| 23:00.56 | lcuk_3 | USB itself is limited to 500ma, a powered hub just saves the computer from giving out upto 500ma per device |
| 23:00.57 | braddbr | maybe i will try there then.. |
| 23:01.13 | braddbr | oh.. good to know about the usb output |
| 23:02.24 | lcuk_3 | head for the phone section rather than the computer area |
| 23:02.44 | braddbr | ok.. i tried a nokia parts dealer here in town, but he wanted $20 before taxes |
| 23:02.45 | braddbr | :( |
| 23:03.32 | lcuk_3 | i saw a whole adapter pack which basically covered every kind of phone power from usb for under £10 here |
| 23:04.00 | braddbr | good deal.. i will try mal-mart on tues (since monday is family day.. funny holiday) |
| 23:04.06 | lcuk_3 | probably made by Mokia or Somy or something |
| 23:04.30 | lcuk_3 | family day is good as long as you spend it with them |
| 23:04.48 | lcuk_3 | (do you get a day off work? or is this just a made up holiday |
| 23:05.13 | braddbr | yeah.. they needed a holiday in feb since the closest ones are so far away.. its a real holiday.. banks closed, etc |
| 23:05.31 | lcuk_3 | which country r u in? |
| 23:05.56 | braddbr | canada |
| 23:06.57 | lcuk_3 | cool. my kids just had schoool holidays last week - it was nice but i didnt get time off work, i got to play football with youngest at dinner time in work :) |
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| 23:07.16 | tigrux | Hello. |
| 23:07.24 | braddbr | cool.. i take it you are in england? |
| 23:07.32 | lcuk_3 | hello tigrux. |
| 23:07.40 | tigrux | Hi. |
| 23:07.41 | lcuk_3 | yes |
| 23:08.05 | tigrux | Guys, I have an almost complete version of my youtube viewer. |
| 23:08.54 | tigrux | Does anyone want to test it? |
| 23:08.58 | lcuk_3 | tig? is it an addin to webbrowser, or an offline version |
| 23:09.02 | tigrux | I have debs. |
| 23:09.36 | |tbb| | tigrux: post an url |
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| 23:09.40 | lcuk_3 | my n810 counterpart will test it if you like |
| 23:09.42 | |tbb| | will try it tomorrow |
| 23:10.03 | lcuk | i will test now |
| 23:10.17 | pupnik | anybody ok OS2007 here who can test dosbox .deb ? |
| 23:10.23 | pupnik | s/ok/with/ |
| 23:12.35 | lcuk_3 | how well does it work so far pup? |
| 23:13.15 | lcuk_3 | ie, can i run vista on it yet? |
| 23:13.23 | tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/ |
| 23:13.42 | lcuk_3 | tigrux, what do i have to do to actually view a video |
| 23:14.14 | tigrux | lcuk_3: Istall the dependencies. |
| 23:14.22 | tigrux | lcuk_3:Then perform a search. |
| 23:14.32 | tigrux | lcuk_3:Then, click in the thumbnail. |
| 23:14.46 | lcuk_3 | streamer is another media player isnt it |
| 23:14.49 | lcuk_3 | g^ |
| 23:14.54 | pupnik | lcuk_3: it's as optimized as it's going to get. no human being can release a faster dosbox for N8x0 than I have. |
| 23:15.01 | tigrux | lcuk_3: No, gst is a media framework. |
| 23:15.20 | pupnik | (trolling for developers) |
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| 23:15.41 | lcuk_3 | pupnik :D i never doubted that coming from yourself |
| 23:16.55 | lcuk_3 | and you shall have them once i am there. ive put too much time into this blasted box to give up now :) |
| 23:18.01 | pupnik | :) |
| 23:18.20 | lcuk_3 | pup, you might know something. when grabbing random source code for porting i am not sure of which libraries to include in the make file, is there anywhere i can get a full export list for each library |
| 23:18.40 | lcuk_3 | so i can do a quick lookup if i have errors |
| 23:18.54 | tigrux | Here are screenshots of my youtube viewer. |
| 23:18.55 | tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-details.png |
| 23:19.04 | tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-searching.png |
| 23:19.27 | tigrux | It also works in an ubuntu desktop. |
| 23:19.32 | lcuk_3 | case in point: i added SDL_Image function calls but didnt update makefile. it failed and it took a while for me to discover which library contained the calls i had used |
| 23:19.55 | tigrux | Because the code take care of the differences between a gnome system and maemo. |
| 23:19.56 | pupnik | offhand i don't know |
| 23:20.50 | pupnik | tigrux: does it use mplayer? |
| 23:20.57 | lcuk_3 | tigrux, have you seen m.youtube.com ? its the mobile interface to proper youtube, and it works really nicely along the way apart from when it opens the video in mediaplayer the codec isnt right |
| 23:21.01 | tigrux | pupnik: No, gstreamer. |
| 23:21.38 | tigrux | lcuk_3: Mine is a desktop application. |
| 23:21.58 | tigrux | lcuk_3:A mean, it's a gtk application. |
| 23:22.15 | lcuk_3 | yes i know - with a large footprint (17mb) over this slow link tonight it will take hours |
| 23:22.17 | pupnik | Looks neat. What is advantage of youtube viewer over viewing in browser? |
| 23:22.39 | lcuk_3 | sorry, not 17mb |
| 23:22.41 | lcuk_3 | 2mb |
| 23:22.44 | lcuk_3 | i might do then |
| 23:22.53 | tigrux | pupnik: In the tablet, the plash mozilla plugin sucks. |
| 23:23.07 | tigrux | * flash |
| 23:23.16 | lcuk_3 | try the m.youtube.com version - it opens the movies direct in media player |
| 23:23.21 | pupnik | is gstreamer playback smoother? |
| 23:23.23 | lcuk_3 | lthe problem comes with the codec |
| 23:23.23 | pupnik | i trying that |
| 23:23.32 | tigrux | pupnik: For some videos, yes. |
| 23:24.13 | tigrux | Audio is always good, video is sometimes bad. |
| 23:25.29 | tigrux | pupnik: By looking at the screenshots, you will immediately realize the advantages of using a dedicated application. |
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| 23:26.25 | tigrux | pupnik: For example, in m.youtube.com the screenshots are too small for the screen of the tablet. |
| 23:27.08 | tigrux | pupnik: I could not open 3gp videos in media player. |
| 23:27.33 | tigrux | pupnik, lcuk_3 : Dod you install my application? Do you have feedback? |
| 23:28.05 | lcuk_3 | yes i have feedback "unable to install [top one of 3]: incompatible package" |
| 23:28.34 | lcuk_3 | it closed my browser window as well when i clicked ok to this so i have lost which one it was |
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| 23:28.49 | lcuk_3 | actually, it was the smaller 49k one |
| 23:28.59 | lcuk_3 | [ ]gstreamer0.10-flv_0.10.5.1-os2008_armel.deb |
| 23:29.06 | lcuk_3 | god my memory is shot to hell |
| 23:29.13 | lcuk_3 | 15k |
| 23:29.23 | tigrux | lcuk_3: Use dpkg -i |
| 23:29.58 | lcuk_3 | huh? i havent needed to for anything else, whats the difference |
| 23:30.20 | pupnik | it probably needs a Section: user/whatever |
| 23:30.42 | tigrux | pupnik: Let me see in mine. |
| 23:30.54 | pupnik | installs ok with dpkg -i - do i need both gstreamer plugins? |
| 23:31.07 | tigrux | pupnik: I guess so. |
| 23:31.40 | tigrux | The yt-viewer has Priority: user/Apps |
| 23:31.48 | tigrux | No idea what should I use. |
| 23:31.52 | pupnik | Section: |
| 23:32.02 | tigrux | Section: extra |
| 23:32.50 | pupnik | tigrux see this page, go down to sections |
| 23:32.56 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html |
| 23:33.08 | pupnik | same applies to chinook... choose a builtin section |
| 23:33.11 | pupnik | subsection |
| 23:33.32 | tigrux | pupnik: Thanks. |
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| 23:34.20 | pupnik | testing as soon as i download the gstreamer plugins |
| 23:36.51 | pupnik | installed both gstreamer packages. |
| 23:36.53 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.53 | pupnik | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 23:36.53 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.54 | lcuk_3 | ok i have all 3 downloaded, do i just run "dpkg -i [filename]" on each of them |
| 23:36.55 | __marker | tigrux I get an indentation err at line 138 ytwindow |
| 23:37.01 | tigrux | ???? |
| 23:37.04 | tigrux | Grr.... |
| 23:37.05 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.05 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.05 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.37 | lcuk_3 | icon not installed or located? |
| 23:38.31 | tigrux | Let me see. |
| 23:38.57 | lcuk_3 | if i do install via dpkg will it be listed for removal? |
| 23:39.03 | lcuk_3 | in the normal app manager |
| 23:39.08 | __marker | yes |
| 23:39.16 | tigrux | Yea, i change I wrote at the final moment, easy to fix. |
| 23:39.23 | tigrux | Let me fix it. |
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| 23:42.54 | tigrux | __marker lcuk_3 pupnik: redownload please |
| 23:43.05 | tigrux | Only the yt-viewer. |
| 23:44.22 | EruditeH1rmit | hey I get Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82. |
| 23:44.29 | __marker | same error |
| 23:44.38 | EruditeH1rmit | when trying to build a package |
| 23:44.42 | EruditeH1rmit | in scratchbox |
| 23:45.09 | tigrux | __marker: ????? |
| 23:45.17 | tigrux | __marker: Let me check again. |
| 23:45.46 | __marker | tigrux or there is a proxy caching my wget.. |
| 23:46.35 | tigrux | __marker: I built it again and copied. |
| 23:46.48 | tigrux | __marker: And I fixed the error, I checked. |
| 23:48.21 | __marker | oops |
| 23:49.25 | pupnik | i have two versions now |
| 23:49.27 | pupnik | 53348 Feb 17 2008 yt-viewer_0.1-1_all.deb |
| 23:49.35 | pupnik | 56606 Feb 17 2008 yt-viewer_0.1-1_all.deb |
| 23:49.39 | __marker | tigrux importerror no module named gtk |
| 23:50.06 | tigrux | __marker: It requires python2.5-runtime. |
| 23:50.08 | pupnik | i have no module named gst |
| 23:50.20 | tigrux | pupnik: Same answer. |
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| 23:50.49 | __marker | tigrux yeah then put it as a dependency! ;) |
| 23:51.14 | tigrux | __marker: Yep, that's exactly what I was seeking: feedback. |
| 23:51.19 | lcuk_3 | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yt/ytwindow.py", line 30, in <module> |
| 23:51.19 | lcuk_3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.38 | tigrux | lcuk_3: What is the error? |
| 23:51.44 | lcuk_3 | pupnik, this is the kind of reason why i want a list of exports ;) |
| 23:51.59 | pupnik | i have python2.5 |
| 23:52.01 | lcuk_3 | shows this: |
| 23:52.02 | lcuk_3 | File "/usr/bin/yt-viewer", line 4, in <module> |
| 23:52.02 | lcuk_3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.10 | lcuk_3 | then it shows the line i pasted originally |
| 23:52.21 | tigrux | lcuk_3: Redownload again. |
| 23:53.05 | lcuk_3 | uninstall first? |
| 23:53.10 | __marker | tigrux: it starts |
| 23:53.19 | tigrux | __marker: Aha? |
| 23:53.31 | pupnik | EruditeH1rmit: unanswerable question |
| 23:53.59 | lcuk_3 | ImportError: No module named gnome.gconf |
| 23:54.25 | tigrux | lcuk_3: Do you have python2.5-runtime? |
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| 23:54.54 | lcuk_3 | i thought my 810 was upto date with all that, i instlaled it all when i first got it lemme check |
| 23:55.21 | lcuk_3 | yes |
| 23:56.00 | lcuk_3 | how do i force the package manager to check if its out of date |
| 23:56.29 | __marker | tigrux: it works. it's slow but maybe its also my network. |
| 23:56.41 | EruditeH1rmit | pupnik: I think I know what happened, I think my scratchbox needs a reinstall |
| 23:57.01 | tigrux | __marker: Video are usually slow, it's because the decoder I guess. |
| 23:57.34 | tigrux | __marker: Section: user/multimedia Multimedia <---- Is it correct? |
| 23:58.14 | tigrux | lcuk_3: At least the audio part plays nice. :$ |
| 23:59.05 | lcuk_3 | i never noticed it skipping tbh |
| 23:59.52 | __marker | tigrux: looks like its more the net. yes for the section |
