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| 00:09.57 | jku | Stskeeps, if that project is something you can talk about, let me know... |
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| 00:10.23 | jku | Going to sleep now, but leave me a msg if I can contact you about it |
| 00:10.50 | goat|work | Hi, I'm trying to update my N800 to OS2008, using these instructions: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ getting the following error: |
| 00:12.06 | goat|work | $sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 00:12.06 | goat|work | ./flasher-3.0: 2: Syntax error: newline unexpected |
| 00:14.32 | goat|work | the only reference i found is on an itialian site where an admin uploaded a different version of flasher-3.0 |
| 00:15.05 | goat|work | sorry for the google spam in the url, its converted to english: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.itopen.it/nokia770forum/viewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D4830&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dflasher-3.0%2Bnewline%2Bunexpected%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enUS220US222%26sa%3DG |
| 00:20.29 | wnd | goat|work, sounds like you have a broken file at hand. judging by that url the file is html, not an executable. |
| 00:20.31 | lcuk_3 | goat|work, it looks like your flasher3 isnt an executable |
| 00:20.37 | lcuk_3 | go redownload the flasher |
| 00:21.18 | lcuk_3 | it looks like you right clicked and saved instead of left clicking and processing (to give you the flasher executable result download) |
| 00:21.30 | leif__ | two crashes so far, both while setting the desktop wallpaper |
| 00:21.37 | leif__ | though the second time it did work |
| 00:22.58 | leif__ | the name of the FIASCO image indicates this 2008 hacker edition is version 4.2007.50-6 |
| 00:23.28 | leif__ | but the browser calls itself RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.48-9 |
| 00:25.03 | leif__ | er "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv5tejl; en-US; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20071205 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.2 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.48-9" to be exact |
| 00:25.48 | leif__ | /etc/osso_software_version also says it is 2008SE_2.2007.48-9_PR_MR0 |
| 00:26.52 | leif__ | meanwhile the latest release for N8x0 is still 2008SE_2.2007.50-2 |
| 00:27.48 | goat|work | lcuk_3: thanks, i'll try redownloading the flasher |
| 00:27.58 | leif__ | I wonder where they got the name SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin from |
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| 00:28.27 | leif__ | still an ancient kernel :( |
| 00:29.46 | leif__ | I guess 2.6.16.27-omap1 from Sep 19 2006 will be the last kernel we get from Nokia |
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| 00:31.59 | leif__ | while it isn't blazingly fast, I'm actually surprised by how fast OS2008 is running now. While installing LCARS (prior to enabling swap) it was exceedingly slow |
| 00:32.14 | leif__ | but now it seems alright |
| 00:32.52 | goat|work | ok, so I left clicked and re-saved the file from this locatoin: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 and when I run: file flasher-3.0 I get ASCII C++ Program text |
| 00:33.08 | goat|work | but I still get the same error |
| 00:33.19 | leif__ | C++ program text?! |
| 00:33.23 | goat|work | yes |
| 00:33.35 | leif__ | can you paste a line or two here please? |
| 00:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | leif__, yeah it's pretty responsive. |
| 00:34.00 | goat|work | sure, hold on |
| 00:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | App Manager is ridiculously slow in all the hacker editions, though. |
| 00:34.47 | leif__ | goat|work, file has been known to make mistakes |
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| 00:38.00 | leif__ | hi johnx |
| 00:38.04 | johnx | hey |
| 00:38.24 | leif__ | do you have a 770? |
| 00:38.28 | johnx | nope |
| 00:38.37 | musikgoat | ok, http://pastebin.com/d67a2c859 |
| 00:38.43 | johnx | just an n800 (and some zauruses)... |
| 00:38.44 | musikgoat | leif__: ^^ |
| 00:39.08 | johnx | leif__, I know b0unc3 got it working to some degree using the tarball I put up |
| 00:39.51 | johnx | and 'apple2' on itt had a different method for running debian on the 770 |
| 00:40.18 | leif__ | musikgoat, can you paste the output of "head flasher-3.0" (I'd guess it is html, not C++ :) |
| 00:40.50 | musikgoat | yes it is |
| 00:41.08 | musikgoat | <html> |
| 00:41.08 | musikgoat | <head> |
| 00:42.01 | leif__ | but your browser brought up a save dialog when you (left-)clicked the link to it? |
| 00:42.10 | musikgoat | yes |
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| 00:42.22 | leif__ | strange, i don't know what to tell you |
| 00:42.33 | cyberholic | Good evening or good morning every one :) |
| 00:43.04 | johnx | mornin' :D |
| 00:43.16 | leif__ | IT IS AFTERNOON HERE |
| 00:43.21 | leif__ | try again next time |
| 00:43.24 | cyberholic | its nearly 2 o clock AM here... i have been developing something new.... its a WEB startpage... who wants to try it out from you? |
| 00:43.30 | cyberholic | You do not need to install it! |
| 00:43.34 | johnx | woo! |
| 00:43.38 | johnx | I'll give it a shot |
| 00:43.57 | cyberholic | I have been working on it since 5 PM and not it is finished :) .... |
| 00:44.15 | johnx | wow...what does it do? |
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| 00:46.07 | cyberholic | Johnx... it looks great :) ... i mean... it MAKES look the n8xx look great on my desk... here we go... http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo |
| 00:46.16 | cyberholic | You have to view it in fullscreen |
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| 00:46.38 | cyberholic | to see the tools, put your finger on the screen and slide from right to left.... |
| 00:46.59 | musikgoat | does it do the same for you leif__ from this link? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 |
| 00:47.21 | musikgoat | leif__: I'm just dropping the f=... stuff |
| 00:47.22 | cyberholic | no... it doesnt.... |
| 00:47.45 | cyberholic | oh... sorry musikgoat, thought you asked me :) |
| 00:48.11 | cyberholic | and johnx... you like it? |
| 00:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff, cyberholic. |
| 00:48.41 | cyberholic | thankx pal.... |
| 00:48.48 | musikgoat | thats cool cyberholic, leif__, the bin is downloading correctly if I go to the d3.php page first and agree to the terms |
| 00:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Might be cool to leave it open in fullscreen if MicroB weren't going to eat the battery alive. |
| 00:48.57 | cyberholic | yeah |
| 00:49.04 | cyberholic | thanks for your props :) |
| 00:49.13 | leif__ | musikgoat, yes, it downloads the html page with their EULA when i click that link you sent |
| 00:49.21 | leif__ | wack |
| 00:49.41 | musikgoat | leif__: is this page editable by me? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 00:49.42 | cyberholic | you can download it to your device, it is only 50 kb big |
| 00:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'm getting some scroll at fullscreen. :< |
| 00:49.59 | cyberholic | well... if you want to, i can send it to you :) |
| 00:50.01 | musikgoat | I will just drop the f=flasher-3.0 from the link |
| 00:50.10 | musikgoat | cyberholic: I've now got the file |
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| 00:50.12 | musikgoat | thanks tho |
| 00:50.29 | cyberholic | general: do you have the toolbar on? (t the bottom) |
| 00:50.37 | leif__ | musikgoat, i think if you need to login to edit, but yes it should be... it claims to be a wiki after all :) |
| 00:50.49 | leif__ | s/if// |
| 00:51.01 | musikgoat | lol |
| 00:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | No, toolbar is off. |
| 00:51.27 | johnx | that's pretty neat :D |
| 00:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | Like, 10px of scroll. |
| 00:51.44 | leif__ | cyberholic, i'm seeing scrollbars also, even with the toolbar off |
| 00:51.44 | cyberholic | really strange.... |
| 00:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:52.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's scroll because the scrollbars are showing. |
| 00:52.04 | cyberholic | what devices you guys have? i own a n800 and everything is finde here. |
| 00:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | If the scrollbars weren't showing, there wouldn't be scroll. |
| 00:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | N800 OS2008 |
| 00:52.23 | leif__ | same |
| 00:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | Flashblock installed |
| 00:52.27 | cyberholic | Ah... wait! my error! |
| 00:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | That might do it. |
| 00:54.11 | cyberholic | ok, that was my error... now it should work! refresh please :) |
| 00:54.16 | musikgoat | thanks for your help folks |
| 00:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | 16bit becomes glaringly obvious with gradients. |
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| 00:54.50 | cyberholic | yeah... thats what i thought too. but its better then having everything black, dont you think? |
| 00:55.05 | leif__ | reloaded, still got the scrollbars |
| 00:56.03 | cyberholic | leif_ could you try to clear cache. The error was at my site, that i tould html that the flash file has a size of 800x480, but now i forced him to take 100% width and 100% height |
| 00:57.24 | goat|work | will a backup file from OS2007 work on OS2008 |
| 00:57.47 | goat|work | I'm getting prompted whether or not I want to load the backup file |
| 00:58.10 | leif__ | ok, it works now |
| 00:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | goat, did you use Opera or MicroB? |
| 00:58.46 | cyberholic | leif: great... sorry for these problems, i am just tired ;) |
| 00:58.59 | goat|work | hmm, not sure specifically, I ran the backup from within the installed software |
| 00:58.59 | cyberholic | general: do you use Opera? |
| 00:59.16 | GeneralAntilles | No, OS2008 |
| 00:59.39 | leif__ | another bug: on the minimal analog clock screen, there is a stripe of white pixels on the left side |
| 00:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | goat, restoring a backup where Opera was the primary browser will cause troubles. |
| 00:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | for the most part, though, OS2007 backups work fine. |
| 01:00.02 | goat|work | ok, good to know |
| 01:00.06 | goat|work | thanks |
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| 01:02.08 | leif__ | cyberholic, and on the digital clock screen, it is on the right. And they're actually not white pixels, but the grey from the calendar screen |
| 01:03.28 | leif__ | cyberholic, on the timers screen, it is possible to start each timer multiple times |
| 01:03.58 | leif__ | leading to multiple overlapping alarms going off, and negative numbers on the tea timer |
| 01:04.59 | leif__ | and on the "any" timer, it is not possible to edit the number as the keyboard just opens and closes (maybe it works on n810?) |
| 01:05.31 | cyberholic | leif_ thanks a lot! I think i will take the grey faded background away.... just gimme a second |
| 01:07.35 | leif__ | cyberholic, this box that drops down from the top... how is it supposed to be opened? I've seen it twice, but I don't know how i got it |
| 01:08.05 | leif__ | ah dragging down, i get it |
| 01:09.10 | cyberholic | leif: if you slide from top to down |
| 01:09.12 | cyberholic | :) |
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| 01:26.37 | cyberholic | Does anyone has any wishes to implement into that page? |
| 01:26.50 | cyberholic | I mean my tool aka THat tool :) |
| 01:27.23 | cyberholic | Sorry, i am getting realy tired... so much that i can not remember how to clear a setintervall in flash :( |
| 01:32.40 | leif__ | cyberholic, no specific requests here... but when you first said "start page" i was expecting web/internet types of things |
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| 01:38.26 | cyberholic | leif_ yeah... wrong title from me... i should call it "desktop clock" but even though most will misunderstand it :) |
| 01:38.49 | jott | cyberholic: the digital clock has a white line on the left side of the screen |
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| 01:40.27 | cyberholic | jott: have you cleared the cache? i thought i debugged that... |
| 01:43.22 | jott | i think so (just tried again) |
| 01:46.57 | cyberholic | jott: sorry for my bad english, but does that mean that it is ok now? |
| 01:47.06 | jott | no.. :) |
| 01:47.11 | jott | it's still there |
| 01:47.25 | jott | let me restart the browser .. |
| 01:49.27 | jott | yes.. the white line is still there (on the first slide and on the 3rd/digital clock slide) |
| 01:49.41 | lcuk_3 | cyberholic :) good to see you adapted your stance slightly, i like the interface |
| 01:51.02 | cyberholic | lcuk... sorry ... did not catch up with what you mean.... have to exercise my english ;) ... what do you mean with "adapted your stance slightly" ? |
| 01:51.17 | cyberholic | jott: are you viewing it in fullscreen? |
| 01:51.33 | cyberholic | ok... forget my last question.... i now have it too! |
| 01:51.35 | lcuk_3 | your fanzine thing had us jumping through hoops to try and view it |
| 01:51.40 | lcuk_3 | this is just direct on a page :) |
| 01:51.48 | cyberholic | MY cache was not cleared :( |
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| 01:59.39 | cyberholic | Ok guys, i realy have to go to bed now. I have been working for over 18 hours by now and have to get up in 6 hours again. Thanks a lot for your testing of the cyberholic tool. wish you the best and see you later.... |
| 02:00.10 | johnx | thanks for the page. it's pretty slick. :D |
| 02:00.12 | johnx | 'night |
| 02:00.13 | pupnik | cheers cyberholic |
| 02:00.14 | cyberholic | Oh and yes, i will take care about the countdown and teatimer bugs! |
| 02:00.28 | cyberholic | nite people. |
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| 02:04.58 | leif__ | any python hackers awake? |
| 02:05.08 | leif__ | might get a laugh out of this code I wrote: http://synthesize.us/sourceCheck.html |
| 02:06.18 | leif__ | (I decided to write a one-line python script instead of using that perl module I was talking about the other day) |
| 02:06.39 | leif__ | turns out python's email module can easily parse dpkg's metadata files :) |
| 02:07.51 | johnx | leif__, that's pretty cool |
| 02:08.51 | leif__ | as suspected, osso-rss-feed-reader is not the only piece of GPL software with a newer version on the device than in the source repo |
| 02:09.29 | johnx | yeah, I'm sure I've seen a couple things at least |
| 02:09.37 | johnx | let me guess: bluez-utils is on that list as well? |
| 02:11.12 | leif__ | yes, bluez-utils (binary: 3.22-0osso2, source: 3.20-0osso2) |
| 02:11.22 | leif__ | (that is from the 2008HE actually) |
| 02:11.35 | johnx | 2008HE?? |
| 02:11.37 | johnx | hmm? |
| 02:11.40 | leif__ | hacker edition |
| 02:11.43 | leif__ | 770 |
| 02:11.51 | johnx | there's a 2008HE out? |
| 02:11.57 | leif__ | yeah just came out today i think |
| 02:12.00 | johnx | !! |
| 02:12.16 | leif__ | once swap is enabled it isn't too bad |
| 02:12.28 | johnx | I'm offline for like 12 hours and I miss that...I really thought they were going to put that off for months |
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| 02:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | I was guessing at least another month. |
| 02:12.50 | johnx | I was guessing indefinitely |
| 02:13.02 | leif__ | Quim said "very soon" when asked on thoughtfix's show |
| 02:13.12 | leif__ | i didn't think it would be this soon though :) |
| 02:13.22 | johnx | yeah, really |
| 02:14.49 | leif__ | i still haven't installed the most recent release of ITOS2008 on my N800 |
| 02:15.01 | johnx | the 2007-50.2? |
| 02:15.13 | leif__ | yeah |
| 02:15.18 | leif__ | anyone else want to run this to make a list of what is missing? there are 85 "wrong versions" on the 2008HE... |
| 02:15.45 | jacques | what happened? |
| 02:15.49 | leif__ | wget http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/free/source/Sources && echo 'from sys import argv; from email import Parser; print "\n".join( (lambda sourceLists=["Sources"], packageLists=["/var/lib/dpkg/status"], parseFile=(lambda file, parser=Parser.Parser().parsestr: (dict(parser(package)._headers) for package in "".join(open(file)).split("\n\n"))) : [ "%s: %s (binary: %s, source: %s)" % (bin == src and "OK" or src and "Wrong version" or "Source |
| 02:15.49 | leif__ | missing", package, bin, src) for sources, binaries in [( dict((binary, source["Version"]) for source in (source for file in sourceLists for source in parseFile(file) if source) for binary in source["Binary"].split(", ")), dict(((package["Package"], package["Version"]) for file in packageLists for package in parseFile(file) if package.get("Version"))))] for package in binaries for bin, src in [(binaries[package], sources.get(package))] ])(*[[f for f |
| 02:15.50 | leif__ | in argv[1:] if f.endswith(s)] for s in ("Sources", "Packages") if argv[1:]]))'|python -|sort|grep 'Wrong version' > biglist.txt |
| 02:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | ohgod |
| 02:16.06 | leif__ | sorry :) |
| 02:16.22 | leif__ | but what is the point of writing long one-liners if not to paste them on IRC? |
| 02:16.41 | johnx | definitely 3 lines here :P |
| 02:16.43 | leif__ | and who says python needs whitespace? |
| 02:18.01 | leif__ | er i guess there is no need to have the sort and the grep at the end there, sorry :/ |
| 02:18.16 | leif__ | one or the other makes sense, but not both. |
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| 02:20.24 | goat|work | anyone know if the servers where the maps are dl'ed from is reallly slow or is it just my connection? |
| 02:20.32 | goat|work | for OS2008 |
| 02:21.28 | johnx | well, I haven't downloaded maps recently, but Nokia's servers being slow wouldn't be news... |
| 02:22.11 | goat|work | I'm trying to DL the Central Europe one (cause the US east was ~700MB) which is about 51MB, and its been chugging along. its making progress on the 50MB, at this rate, 700MB will take days :-D |
| 02:22.44 | goat|work | is there another DL method? pc based? |
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| 02:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like adv-backlight is still no-go under OS2008HE. |
| 02:24.31 | johnx | what kernel are they using on OS2008HE? |
| 02:25.04 | leif__ | still 2.6.16.27-omap1 from Sep 19 2006 :( |
| 02:25.11 | Navi | 2008HE is out? |
| 02:25.20 | johnx | apparently |
| 02:25.33 | Navi | That's a zomg |
| 02:25.50 | Navi | Does it suck as much as '07HE? |
| 02:25.56 | johnx | also, pigs flying over here, devil seen ice skating... |
| 02:26.17 | leif__ | I never used the 07HE much, but so far I've only had two crashes and both were while setting the home screen background |
| 02:26.17 | Navi | johnx, any pictures??? OMGOMGOMG |
| 02:26.26 | johnx | :P |
| 02:26.41 | leif__ | it is painful slow until you enable swap |
| 02:27.10 | johnx | I wonder if a lighter GTK theme would help |
| 02:27.53 | leif__ | GeneralAntilles, notice that the built-in brightness applet in OS2008 has a lot more levels on 770 than N800? |
| 02:28.14 | johnx | ahahaha...that's awesome :D |
| 02:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I knew nothing would change from OS2007HE, but I can always hope. |
| 02:28.48 | leif__ | well i'm reluctant to say it is definitely the case, because I'm not sure how it would be, but it sure feels like LCARS made it faster :) |
| 02:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | No transparency is LCARS, right? |
| 02:29.12 | GeneralAntilles | s/is/in/ |
| 02:29.14 | johnx | ah, but LCARS still uses sapwood, right? I guess what I meant to say was a different gtk engine |
| 02:29.16 | leif__ | only on home applets |
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| 02:30.10 | johnx | I don't know what it would break, but I can definitely attest to how much of a difference a lighter GTK engine makes on a low-end Linux desktop/laptop |
| 02:30.17 | Navi | Not much |
| 02:30.21 | leif__ | It would be interesting to see if hildon could run with a different gtk engine, I think it might not |
| 02:30.32 | johnx | and sapwood seems pretty heavy, being pixmap based |
| 02:30.58 | leif__ | but... sapwood was written specifically for the 770 wasn't it? |
| 02:31.26 | johnx | yeah, but I still bet it's heavier than "smooth" or the default gtk theme... |
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| 02:31.35 | johnx | probably lighter than the desktop pixbuf engine |
| 02:31.58 | Navi | The load between the glossy GTK theme (intensive) compared to flat (pfft) is negligible even on a low-end desktop |
| 02:32.02 | Robot101 | sapwood isn't a theme itself, it's a theme engine, an accelerator, which keeps the pixmaps cached in the X server and draws them from there rather than feeding them to the X server every time |
| 02:32.21 | Navi | Low end being my own machine: Celeron D, 256MB SDRAM |
| 02:32.40 | Robot101 | I understand that it saves quite a bit of memory copying, scaling and colourspace conversions compared to the normal pixbuf engine |
| 02:33.09 | johnx | Robot101, Right. I bet it does. But I wonder if a "plain" gtk engine might be faster |
| 02:33.18 | Navi | a bi |
| 02:33.20 | Navi | bit* |
| 02:33.34 | Navi | but not worth the ugliness |
| 02:33.55 | johnx | well, I'll test something and get back to you :) |
| 02:34.17 | leif__ | for some reason when I run normal gtk apps using a sapwood theme, the menu padding is all wrong |
| 02:34.39 | Navi | The performance difference between gtk theme engines really isn't all that much |
| 02:34.52 | johnx | Navi, it's noticeable on my zaurus... |
| 02:34.59 | Navi | 'cuz the Zaurus fails. |
| 02:35.04 | johnx | :P |
| 02:35.53 | johnx | xscale @ 416MHz is pretty darn close to the OMAP 2420 @ ~400MHz, IIRC |
| 02:36.07 | leif__ | running ITOS with non-hildon gtk themes won't yield a very usable system |
| 02:36.26 | johnx | well, I'll give it a shot and see what happens :) |
| 02:36.39 | leif__ | I made a blank theme with no gtkrc at all, and some things look great but the keyboard won't even open |
| 02:36.51 | johnx | ah |
| 02:37.11 | johnx | well, maybe nevermind then... |
| 02:37.21 | leif__ | it is too bad there isn't a way to get the plain gtk look in ITOS though |
| 02:37.28 | leif__ | because I kind of like it :) |
| 02:37.35 | Navi | The OMAP puhjowns xscale at any close clockrate |
| 02:37.55 | johnx | Navi, it depends on the task |
| 02:38.00 | Navi | s/clockrate/clockspeed/ |
| 02:38.49 | johnx | read up on a2dp/sbc encoding maybe? |
| 02:39.44 | Navi | Pfft, minor niche tasks in a niche market |
| 02:40.03 | johnx | heh...whatever |
| 02:40.08 | johnx | I own *both* devices |
| 02:40.15 | johnx | it's not like I *want* one to be better |
| 02:41.50 | Navi | And I own neither |
| 02:41.56 | Navi | it's not like I *care* |
| 02:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 02:46.30 | johnx | heh...actually I kind of got screwed both ways. The device that actually has a fast enough link between CPU and LCD controller doesn't have the guts for fullscreen 640x480 video and the one that has built-in bluetooth has naturally crappy results when doing SBC encoding... |
| 02:47.05 | Navi | Ha |
| 02:48.52 | johnx | and then the device with the formfactor I like (my zaurus 5500) has limited support for kernel 2.6 |
| 02:49.50 | Navi | That's what you get for buying linux devices. Everyone knows that proprietary locked-in devices are best. |
| 02:52.09 | johnx | oh totally...it's really awesome being at the complete mercy of one vendor whose only goal upon selling you something is to also sell you the next something |
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| 02:53.10 | Navi | Of course. Only crap comes out of open sourced projects. |
| 02:57.28 | johnx | it's times like these when I realize how the computer industry as a whole is the same place the automobile industry was in the 1950s or so |
| 02:58.08 | Navi | Down with the Tucker! |
| 02:58.29 | johnx | ?? |
| 02:59.07 | Navi | Well, car history then, I guess :) |
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| 02:59.45 | Navi | Preston Tucker came up with a revolutionary car with features that even modern cars are just _now_ including |
| 03:00.30 | Navi | The big three manufacturers in the US drove him out of business |
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| 03:00.36 | leif__ | only 51 made! |
| 03:00.48 | Navi | s/three/three car/ |
| 03:01.03 | leif__ | (according to the other half of johnx's brain, which is apparently editable by just anyone) |
| 03:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Can't reach en.wikipedia.org. :\ |
| 03:01.10 | Navi | Interesting story, really. |
| 03:02.01 | Navi | The first display model was made out of junk and didn't even actually run |
| 03:02.32 | Navi | http://www.tuckerclub.org/html/history.php |
| 03:02.46 | leif__ | this sounds like the ideal car to dashmount a 770 in |
| 03:03.13 | johnx | that 1948 sedan actually looks really slick |
| 03:03.48 | leif__ | thanks Navi, I'd never heard of the Tucker before |
| 03:04.07 | Navi | Useless facts ain't so useless any more. |
| 03:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | Check out the Lincoln Zephyr (40s) |
| 03:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | Purty car. |
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| 03:07.40 | pupnik | karateka! :) |
| 03:09.27 | johnx | yeah, mechanical fuel injection might not have been the best move... |
| 03:09.31 | leif__ | the 30s/40s Lincoln Zephyr looks very nice, but the 2006 model by the same name... not so much |
| 03:10.51 | Navi | but fuel injection, nonetheless |
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| 03:12.10 | Navi | GM's Chevrolet didn't have it until '57 |
| 03:12.17 | johnx | it took quite a while to get fuel injection right... |
| 03:12.31 | johnx | heck, lots of cars had carbs into the 90s |
| 03:12.46 | johnx | same with drum brakes |
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| 03:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, lots of cars have drum brakes now. |
| 03:17.37 | johnx | yes, and that's terrifying |
| 03:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | They're cheap, and perfectly reasonable as rear brakes for 90% of the economy lot. |
| 03:17.48 | johnx | for small cars I guess |
| 03:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, not terrifying at all. |
| 03:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | Makes great sense as a cost-saving measure. |
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| 03:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | They're a LOT cheaper to manufacture. |
| 03:18.23 | johnx | I'd still rather have disks :) |
| 03:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | Much better parking brakes. |
| 03:18.42 | johnx | that's because they're easy to lock :P |
| 03:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Disc brakes only get a stupid little miniscule pad for the parking brake |
| 03:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | drum brakes use the real pad. |
| 03:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | You're only doing 20% of the braking on the rears, anyway. |
| 03:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | So things like fade and power aren't really an issue. |
| 03:20.03 | johnx | yeah, I just had lots of fun with locking the rear drums (sometimes on purpose, sometimes not...) on my '82 honda accord |
| 03:20.19 | Navi | lol |
| 03:20.31 | johnx | looking back, I probably needed to check the brake balance |
| 03:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:21.39 | johnx | s/like/liking/g |
| 03:24.13 | pupnik | wow, this emu is only taking 8-10% cpu |
| 03:24.21 | Navi | ? |
| 03:24.34 | pupnik | down to 6 now |
| 03:24.41 | Navi | Which emu? |
| 03:25.02 | pupnik | the one i'm tweaking :) |
| 03:25.08 | Navi | :P |
| 03:25.20 | Navi | What does it emulate? |
| 03:25.42 | pupnik | an old computer |
| 03:26.01 | pupnik | but as usual there's all kinds of ui crapola that needs doing |
| 03:26.12 | pupnik | and sound is bluttery |
| 03:26.23 | Navi | What operating system does this old computer that's trying to be emulated run? |
| 03:31.36 | leif__ | And, does the old computer's CPU have a name? |
| 03:32.13 | johnx | if not, can we name it? I' thinking "Fred" would be good... |
| 03:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | No, "James". |
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| 03:37.31 | doc|home | so, can someone explain to me why it's so difficult to get replacement styluses? |
| 03:37.49 | GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia hates you. |
| 03:38.01 | doc|home | but, I give them money :( |
| 03:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | or, it's punishment for being forgetful. :P |
| 03:38.26 | doc|home | I wasn't forgetful, my dog decided he might like to chew on it for a bit |
| 03:38.31 | doc|home | little shit |
| 03:38.48 | doc|home | so I have one left and a fear of being forgetful :/ |
| 03:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | Got another one in the box? |
| 03:39.20 | doc|home | yep |
| 03:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | I've only almost lost one stylus with 4 tablets. |
| 03:39.33 | doc|home | so you have some spares you might flog? :) |
| 03:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | Fell asleep in the break room at work using the tablet. |
| 03:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Fell into the cushions, but I found it later. |
| 03:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | 2 spares for the N800s, 2 for the 770s. :P |
| 03:40.14 | doc|home | want to sell them? |
| 03:40.16 | Navi | Use it to create a mold |
| 03:40.23 | pupnik | i found a set on ebay |
| 03:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:40.35 | doc|home | pupnik: I looked yesterday, couldn't see any |
| 03:40.35 | GeneralAntilles | I like that thinking. |
| 03:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | Manufacture them. |
| 03:40.40 | Navi | and then create cheap replacement styluses and sell them for five dollars each |
| 03:40.50 | Navi | Idiots like GeneralAntilles will buy them up |
| 03:40.55 | doc|home | and me :o |
| 03:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should do that. |
| 03:41.03 | Navi | See? |
| 03:41.05 | Navi | :3 |
| 03:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | Completely plastic. |
| 03:41.16 | Navi | I would go the other way |
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| 03:41.22 | Navi | completely stainless steel |
| 03:41.24 | doc|home | yeah, completely metal would be better |
| 03:41.31 | Navi | good feel to it |
| 03:41.33 | doc|home | then little shithead dogs wouldn't be able to chew them :( |
| 03:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | Batch of a thousand would cost, what, $0.05-.10 a piece? |
| 03:41.45 | johnx | something like lead would be good |
| 03:41.45 | Navi | Don't make fun of dogs like that. |
| 03:41.55 | doc|home | johnx: nah, silver, or platinum |
| 03:42.04 | doc|home | Navi: I won't make fun when he doesn't chew my shit |
| 03:42.29 | Navi | Only make fun of humans. Humans are expendable |
| 03:42.31 | doc|home | 1,200 dollar stylus :D |
| 03:42.38 | Navi | Haha :) |
| 03:42.48 | Navi | There's something I wouldn't want to forget |
| 03:42.48 | doc|home | Navi: so are dogs once they're dropped off 10th floor balconies |
| 03:43.14 | doc|home | so, eh, wanting to flog spare styluses anyone? :) |
| 03:43.17 | Navi | Melt down your wife's jewelry to make a stylus |
| 03:43.30 | Navi | She'll appreciate it |
| 03:43.59 | joebloe | anyone know if evince works on OS2008 yet? |
| 03:44.14 | Navi | Build it |
| 03:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | It has for a while, joebloe. |
| 03:45.14 | joebloe | ok .. i am somewhat obtuse tonight .. guess lack of sleep .. is it availible from one of the repositories .. or do i need to manually grab it? |
| 03:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Check gronmayer |
| 03:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | or google |
| 03:45.29 | Navi | I should try to compile scratchbox/maemo-sdk on cygwin some time. |
| 03:45.46 | johnx | Navi, because you hate yourself? |
| 03:45.51 | joebloe | ok .. thanks .. will look on gronmayer |
| 03:46.21 | Navi | Because it would let Windows developers to get into the action without having to boot Windows or under a VM |
| 03:46.24 | Navi | :P |
| 03:46.35 | johnx | I mean....ow, seriously. Not anything against Windows, but scratchbox even hates non-debuntu linux |
| 03:46.38 | Navi | s/Windows/Linux |
| 03:46.56 | Navi | scratchbox is fine under non-debian linux distros |
| 03:47.11 | johnx | I thought that was where most people had setup issues? |
| 03:47.28 | pupnik | argh why is sdl sound so problematic with emulators |
| 03:47.32 | johnx | never looked too closely... |
| 03:47.42 | johnx | oh, well I take it back then |
| 03:47.45 | johnx | have fun :) |
| 03:47.50 | doc|home | styluses? anyone? :) |
| 03:47.56 | Navi | there was one set up issue quickly resolved by setting a var |
| 03:53.18 | johnx | doc|home, I'd love one |
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| 03:56.29 | susej | hello |
| 03:56.46 | johnx | hello |
| 03:56.58 | susej | im lloking for a video chat client that also works with pc |
| 03:58.44 | johnx | I believe that gizmo does |
| 03:59.10 | susej | so i thought |
| 03:59.23 | Navi | So you thought? |
| 03:59.34 | susej | but when i installed it there were no video otions |
| 03:59.44 | Navi | PC Gizmo has video. |
| 03:59.44 | susej | i oculd not find a link to a beta or anything |
| 03:59.56 | susej | yes |
| 04:00.05 | Navi | N800 Gizmo has video. |
| 04:00.08 | susej | but for my n800 its does not |
| 04:00.17 | susej | is there a beta version i have to get? |
| 04:00.35 | susej | i have 3.1.0.78 |
| 04:00.48 | Navi | Your version is dated. |
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| 04:01.16 | susej | what is the current version? |
| 04:01.21 | Navi | Chinook has 4.0.0.95 |
| 04:01.29 | susej | i am running bora |
| 04:01.32 | Navi | But Gizmo 3 had video as well. |
| 04:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you be running Bora? |
| 04:01.55 | susej | just opened it |
| 04:02.02 | Navi | The general consensus is that you flash right away. |
| 04:02.07 | susej | what is the favored os? |
| 04:02.10 | Navi | Of course, you shouldn't listen to me as I don't own one. |
| 04:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | The latest, susej. |
| 04:02.58 | susej | the latest being chinook? |
| 04:03.03 | Navi | Yes. |
| 04:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | More accurately, OS2008 |
| 04:03.29 | susej | i thougt that chinook was for the 810 |
| 04:03.49 | susej | so there is a os 2008 for the n800 |
| 04:03.52 | Navi | The N810 is just the N800 with a few revisions, all the same. |
| 04:04.09 | susej | orly? |
| 04:04.17 | susej | howso navi |
| 04:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 04:04.26 | Navi | Howso? Same hardware. |
| 04:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | GPS, transflective, keyboard, minisd |
| 04:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | That's pretty much the extent of the differences. |
| 04:06.16 | Navi | I guess not everyone is like me. I really dig deep into the stuff I buy. |
| 04:06.33 | Navi | s/buy/looking to buy/ |
| 04:06.48 | Navi | s/I looking/I'm looking/ |
| 04:06.50 | leif__ | Navi, susej, Gizmo 3 does not have video afaik |
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| 04:06.59 | leif__ | Gizmo 4 does |
| 04:07.38 | Navi | Really? I remember people making video calls back on Bora. |
| 04:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Using GTalk |
| 04:08.14 | Navi | ah |
| 04:09.10 | leif__ | and gizmo 4 is still not out for mac or linux (except ITOS2008) |
| 04:09.40 | Navi | Funny |
| 04:09.46 | Navi | What about Skype? |
| 04:10.00 | Navi | No video on the ITs? |
| 04:10.05 | johnx | video on desktop linux, no video on ITs |
| 04:10.08 | johnx | funny, isn't it? |
| 04:10.20 | Navi | the irony kills |
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| 04:15.46 | johnx | so Navi, which tablet are you leaning towards? is the requirement just pocketable and Linux or something else? |
| 04:16.03 | Navi | Leaning towards? |
| 04:16.57 | johnx | if you were to get a tablet, which one would it be? |
| 04:17.05 | johnx | what is your preference? |
| 04:17.53 | susej | hey guys thanks for all the help |
| 04:17.59 | susej | one more nub question b4 i go |
| 04:18.03 | johnx | sure |
| 04:18.07 | susej | where can i down load the os2008 |
| 04:18.11 | Navi | maemo.org |
| 04:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablet-dev.nokia.org/nokia_N800.php |
| 04:18.21 | leif__ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 04:18.23 | Navi | johnx, there are several factors in my decision |
| 04:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | I won locally! |
| 04:18.31 | leif__ | me too! |
| 04:18.36 | GeneralAntilles | But I screwed up the link. . . |
| 04:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | DAMN! |
| 04:18.38 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, you won globally |
| 04:18.50 | Navi | sans leif__ |
| 04:19.00 | Navi | Anyways |
| 04:19.44 | Navi | johnx, first and foremost is that it must be officially supported for at least a few more years after my purchase, or have a powerful development community behind it |
| 04:20.42 | Navi | secondly, it's gotta perform well _with_ good battery life. One without the other just doesn't cut it for me. |
| 04:21.52 | leif__ | so, looking at the 770's new unsupported release today with the same old kernel from September 2006 probably isn't encouraging you to buy from Nokia then? |
| 04:21.52 | Navi | Of course, it's gotta be pocketable and not too expensive |
| 04:21.56 | leif__ | ;) |
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| 04:22.22 | Navi | The proprietary bits really fuck it up. |
| 04:22.26 | johnx | so is Linux one of the requirements? |
| 04:22.27 | leif__ | yeah. |
| 04:23.25 | Navi | No, but it's a nice bonus. The fact that the IT _is_ Linux is a plus, however, the proprietary bits that come with it doesn't help it's case |
| 04:23.32 | Navi | s/IT/NIT/ |
| 04:25.14 | susej | i thought i only had one more |
| 04:25.18 | Navi | Really now, GNU is all about all or nothing. You either open the entire device or you lock it up. At least it's not the Mylo, though. |
| 04:25.26 | susej | is the current version 2.2007.50-2? |
| 04:25.33 | johnx | susej, yes |
| 04:25.59 | johnx | Navi, yeah...I'm not exactly thrilled either |
| 04:26.06 | Navi | I'm already set on buying the NIT, GeneralAntilles's fault. |
| 04:26.29 | johnx | heh...it really is pretty much the only thing in its category right now |
| 04:26.38 | leif__ | (seen in access_log) |
| 04:27.03 | Navi | I was hoping the Intel MID would come around before I make a purchase |
| 04:27.04 | johnx | leif__, that's an user agent... |
| 04:27.04 | GeneralAntilles | Internal testing, leif__. |
| 04:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Mara, Texrat, etc. |
| 04:27.21 | johnx | rather, that's an *interesting* user agent |
| 04:28.07 | johnx | Navi, Until I see hardware in users' hands I'm not too inclined to believe how incredible the MIDs will be... |
| 04:28.24 | leif__ | as i mentioned the other day, there are also some people running RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_0.2008.06-10 |
| 04:28.31 | Navi | I'm infering on their decisions from past experience |
| 04:28.49 | Navi | Intel has a good track record of opening their drivers |
| 04:28.57 | johnx | somewhat |
| 04:29.05 | leif__ | i used a samsung UMPC with the intel MID software at linuxworld sf last year |
| 04:29.08 | johnx | they seem to be coming around recently |
| 04:29.14 | leif__ | it was running google earth :) |
| 04:29.40 | johnx | leif__, impressive. how did the software feel compared to nokia's maemo? |
| 04:29.57 | leif__ | it felt like a 900mhz intel system |
| 04:29.59 | leif__ | because it was |
| 04:30.04 | Navi | Haha |
| 04:30.06 | leif__ | but it wouldn't fit in my pocket. |
| 04:30.16 | GeneralAntilles | leif__, can you suck the firmware out through their browsers? :P |
| 04:30.18 | Navi | Well, it was a Samsung UMPC :P |
| 04:30.22 | johnx | heh...but the actual design of the UI? |
| 04:30.58 | leif__ | it was ubuntu mobile edition, before gutsy was officially released |
| 04:31.04 | Navi | Ha |
| 04:31.07 | johnx | so pretty unfinished? |
| 04:31.13 | leif__ | apt-get install ubuntu-mobile if you want to see it... |
| 04:31.29 | johnx | yeah, I guess I should |
| 04:31.34 | Navi | They have a site |
| 04:31.34 | leif__ | yeah it was pretty unfinished at the time, and what really killed me was the home screen was all implemented in flash :( |
| 04:31.39 | Navi | or a dedicated page, at least |
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| 04:31.45 | Navi | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile |
| 04:32.14 | johnx | I have hardy on my craptastic laptop, I'll just do my guinea pig experiments on it... |
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| 04:33.10 | leif__ | one of the intel guys from China had his 770 with him :) |
| 04:33.19 | Navi | Lol |
| 04:34.19 | leif__ | so does anyone know if Ubuntu is working on an arm port? |
| 04:34.26 | Navi | Pfft |
| 04:34.30 | leif__ | there was talk about it at one time, but i never saw anything substantive |
| 04:34.38 | johnx | leif__, I highly doubt it |
| 04:34.40 | Navi | Ubuntu's just a preconfigured Debian |
| 04:34.42 | johnx | they even dropped PPC |
| 04:35.05 | Navi | If there is one, they'll just piggyback on Debian-ARM's progress. |
| 04:35.21 | johnx | well a lot of devs work on packages for both... |
| 04:35.24 | johnx | AFAIK |
| 04:35.34 | leif__ | johnx, not completely dropped |
| 04:35.54 | johnx | really? I didn't think they had a gutsy or feisty release for it? |
| 04:36.15 | leif__ | http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy/main/binary-powerpc/ |
| 04:36.44 | johnx | so they have a community supported release now...ok, I see |
| 04:36.50 | leif__ | right. |
| 04:38.06 | leif__ | Navi, Ubuntu is a little more than just a preconfigured Debian |
| 04:38.59 | Navi | Ha, maybe to you. |
| 04:39.14 | leif__ | if you want to run closer-to-current versions of software without compiling your own stuff or using testing or unstable, Ubuntu has it |
| 04:39.49 | johnx | I'm perfectly happy with either for the most part... |
| 04:40.02 | Navi | ArchLinux. |
| 04:40.07 | leif__ | I'm perfectly happy using both |
| 04:40.22 | rm_you | johnx: johnx :P |
| 04:40.33 | johnx | rm_you, rm_you ? |
| 04:40.46 | leif__ | Navi, I've looked at that but haven't run it yet. Is that what you use? |
| 04:40.55 | rm_you | johnx: nothing :) just saying hi |
| 04:40.57 | Navi | All right, A stable preconfigured Debian Sid |
| 04:41.05 | Navi | leif__, yes. |
| 04:41.30 | acydlord | and there is mint |
| 04:41.39 | Navi | Mint is a themed Ubuntu |
| 04:41.43 | acydlord | the windows vista of debian distros |
| 04:42.06 | rm_you | i like the theme :P and it comes with all the codecs i want |
| 04:42.22 | Navi | I have to compile a few things to stay on the bleeding edge though, like mplayer-svn and ffmpeg-svn |
| 04:42.38 | acydlord | even ubuntu is too bloated for my tastes in their stock install |
| 04:42.45 | rm_you | compiling mplayer is my hobby :P |
| 04:43.07 | rm_you | lol, yeah... i just installed debian on my server a few weeks ago and was reminded how ridiculously trim and snappy it is comparatively |
| 04:43.08 | Navi | webkit-svn, midori as well |
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| 04:43.39 | johnx | Navi, I finally got my midori build up in OE |
| 04:43.46 | Navi | cool |
| 04:43.49 | Navi | Yeah, I heard |
| 04:43.53 | johnx | oh, right |
| 04:43.57 | johnx | forgot if you were there |
| 04:44.14 | Navi | ^_^ |
| 04:44.23 | rm_you | what is midori? besides delicious melon liquor and japanese for "green"? >_> |
| 04:44.35 | johnx | lightweight webkit based browser in gtk |
| 04:44.37 | leif__ | johnx, have you tried building chinook-compatible packages in OE (as talked about on planet maemo today)? |
| 04:44.38 | rm_you | ah |
| 04:44.42 | rm_you | neat |
| 04:44.44 | Navi | gtk and libsexy |
| 04:45.00 | johnx | leif__, sure, i'll give it a shot |
| 04:45.16 | leif__ | dunno if there are still pieces missing for that |
| 04:46.03 | johnx | well, I'll see |
| 04:46.18 | johnx | also, I'd like to try and get an angstrom build for the N800 |
| 04:48.49 | leif__ | there have been images of that available, but haven't tried it yet |
| 04:49.07 | leif__ | the only non-ITOS distro I've run on my N800 yet was Poky |
| 04:49.17 | johnx | I thought I heard various things didn't work in those... |
| 04:49.22 | leif__ | yeah. |
| 04:49.28 | leif__ | it was fun for a little while though |
| 04:49.43 | johnx | it should be trivial to take the things that make Debian work and add them to angstrom |
| 04:50.06 | johnx | and to tell the truth...debian really is a little heavy for a zaurus or n800 |
| 04:50.38 | johnx | and the situation for cross compiling leaves something to be desired... |
| 04:52.28 | johnx | ah, I assume the chinook-compat stuff is in OE .dev not OE .angstrom-2007.1-stable |
| 04:52.30 | johnx | bleh |
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| 04:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody want to feed the newbies red pill as some sort of magical fix-all on ITT? <_< |
| 04:56.28 | Navi | haha |
| 04:57.00 | leif__ | johnx, "The most parts are already committed to the OpenEmbedded upstream, but we are still maintaining an overlay in our svn." according to http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/02/13/using-openembedded-for-maemo-development/ |
| 04:57.17 | leif__ | whatever that means |
| 04:57.18 | johnx | leif__, thanks. I will RTFA :) |
| 04:57.48 | leif__ | GeneralAntilles, because it sounds cool? |
| 04:58.00 | Navi | I choose the blue pill |
| 04:58.36 | Navi | Anyways, Debian's too heavy for the NIT? |
| 04:58.57 | leif__ | yes please elaborate on that, johnx |
| 04:59.14 | johnx | ah, I will read the fine article :) |
| 04:59.18 | leif__ | couldn't it be as stripped down as ITOS, if not moreso? |
| 04:59.18 | Navi | Debian was designed to be able to run smoothly, even on ancient hardware |
| 04:59.19 | johnx | slashdot thing I guess |
| 05:00.32 | Navi | obviously, there are many things worked into the desktop Debian, but they can be stripped |
| 05:00.38 | johnx | it can be stripped down. We can do docpurge, but no matter what all the binary packages are going to be pretty big and configured with "everything including the kitchen sink" |
| 05:01.48 | Navi | But why use the binary packages? It's always more sane to gear software torwards your target platform. |
| 05:02.40 | johnx | so, repackage everything you ever want to use? |
| 05:02.58 | johnx | uhm...if that's what you're prepared to do, you're better off with Nokia's ITOS |
| 05:03.05 | leif__ | johnx, http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/282-Ways-to-fork-privately.html |
| 05:03.16 | Navi | I repackage plenty of things I use |
| 05:03.47 | Navi | and those repackagers can maintain a repository for others to use |
| 05:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but you're a crazy person. :P |
| 05:04.08 | Navi | I'm not crazy, you are. :P |
| 05:04.24 | leif__ | Navi, the two tough things then are (a) staying up to date, and (b) being compatible with the rest of Debian |
| 05:04.24 | johnx | yeah, let's splinter debian into a million little semi-incompatible repositories |
| 05:04.35 | johnx | and we can call it ... maemo! |
| 05:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:05.02 | Navi | If we were to do that, then I would certainly call it f0rqu3. |
| 05:05.49 | johnx | well everyone can name their own fork whatever they want. that's the best part! |
| 05:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | Then we'll have Fork Wars! |
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| 05:06.19 | leif__ | Navi, do you have an automated process to build new upstream releases of things you repackage using your own patches (as that blog post I linked is talking about)? |
| 05:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | Like little warlords over our own little pieces of nothing. |
| 05:06.37 | johnx | and we can end up the same as the zaurus community! |
| 05:06.39 | johnx | woo! |
| 05:06.58 | Navi | Both A and B are satisfiable with a system of maintainers and developers |
| 05:07.01 | Navi | as a true fork should have |
| 05:07.09 | leif__ | riight |
| 05:07.13 | Navi | leif__, yes, I have an automatic process. |
| 05:07.17 | leif__ | just add free labor ;) |
| 05:07.33 | leif__ | what does it entail? |
| 05:07.40 | leif__ | (to Navi, not GeneralAntilles!) |
| 05:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | You work, work a lot. For free. |
| 05:07.54 | Navi | yaourt -Syu --aur |
| 05:08.39 | johnx | things that I've seen work: 1) hardware support packages for debian -and- 2) getting a supported machine profile in OE for angstrom |
| 05:09.18 | Navi | Of course, it's really not always automatic and entails editing pkgver= in a build script |
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| 05:09.22 | Navi | then building and install it |
| 05:09.43 | johnx | 2 you mean? |
| 05:09.54 | Navi | 2? |
| 05:09.59 | leif__ | oh, well that ruins it! |
| 05:10.19 | johnx | editing pkgver in a build script in OE or Debian? eh? |
| 05:10.26 | Navi | build script in Arch |
| 05:10.30 | johnx | ah |
| 05:10.31 | leif__ | assuming the patches apply correctly, it should be as simple as apt-get upgrade, imho :) |
| 05:10.53 | Navi | They're just bash scripts, not complicated deb build scripts |
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| 05:12.03 | Navi | More than a fair trade to keep up-to-date on a binary distro |
| 05:12.50 | johnx | I realized that I don't care all that much about whether 90% of my packages are up to date |
| 05:13.06 | johnx | and thankfully the API-breakage rate isn't as high as it was 10 years ago... |
| 05:13.22 | Navi | unless we're talking webkit |
| 05:13.31 | johnx | right, that falls into the 10% |
| 05:13.37 | johnx | and I build it out of git |
| 05:13.50 | Navi | API-breakage out of the ass |
| 05:13.57 | johnx | but all it's support libraries don't need to be built from source |
| 05:14.11 | johnx | I can use the ones in gutsy without issues |
| 05:14.50 | Navi | There are specific things I want to keep up with, even past the most recent stable release |
| 05:15.52 | johnx | me too, and I've found a debuntu distro to be good enough almost all the time |
| 05:16.10 | johnx | to each his own I think... |
| 05:16.30 | Navi | Firefox, mplayer, ffmpeg, mpd, abiword are all built on my PC |
| 05:16.43 | tuxthepenguin | anyone here use sqlite3 under maemo SDK bora? I'm seeing some annoying problems - 1) under ARMEL scratchbox - can create DB but then when you .exit or .quit and re-launch with the same db filename - it seems to have forgotten the schema and db contents |
| 05:17.00 | johnx | Navi, those days are over for me |
| 05:17.05 | Navi | every svn revision for mplayer, ffmpeg, and mpd. Every nightly for Firefox3 |
| 05:17.06 | tuxthepenguin | perhaps some sort of byte ordering issue?? |
| 05:17.21 | Navi | Every unstable snap for Abiword |
| 05:17.54 | johnx | Navi, ask me how fun building gnome 0.54 on a K62 was... |
| 05:18.23 | Navi | Bet it was very fun |
| 05:18.42 | tuxthepenguin | 2) also, the file produced inside scratchbox appears to be readable outside |
| 05:18.43 | tuxthepenguin | of scratchbox...strange indeed. it does seem readable via the |
| 05:18.43 | tuxthepenguin | python2.5 sqlite3 module under scratchbox. BUT inserts are being ignored when done via python2.5 |
| 05:19.42 | Navi | Thankfully, I don't have to build everything myself a la Gentoo. |
| 05:20.15 | tuxthepenguin | The sqlite docs mention that it will not work if forked - perhaps the qemu code at work behind the scenes is doing a fork?? Anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:20.31 | johnx | at one point in time I had a redhat 5.1 system that was about 80% the result of compiling from source with no package management |
| 05:20.39 | leif__ | Navi, so the process is that you edit the version numbers in some bash scripts, and then run one command? |
| 05:20.56 | leif__ | seems like the updating of version numbers could be automated too somehow... |
| 05:21.00 | Navi | correct, for the most part. |
| 05:21.08 | Navi | more bash scripts |
| 05:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Or fed as arguments at least. |
| 05:21.20 | Navi | bash scripts to automate the editing of bash scripts |
| 05:21.53 | johnx | then we just automate the process of updating so it happens automatically every so often...with bash scripts! |
| 05:22.01 | Navi | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/midori-git/midori-git/PKGBUILD |
| 05:22.04 | Navi | pfft |
| 05:22.07 | Navi | cron, foo |
| 05:22.21 | Navi | no need to overload the bash scripts |
| 05:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | fractal bash scripts |
| 05:22.25 | johnx | who needs cron, when we have bash scripts! |
| 05:22.42 | johnx | "bash scripts all the way down" |
| 05:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of . . . bash scripts@ |
| 05:24.02 | Navi | I can imagine a GeneralAntilles made out of post-it notes. |
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| 05:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.impawards.com/1999/posters/office_space.jpg ? |
| 05:25.37 | Nickel_ | hello |
| 05:25.38 | Navi | Heh, the NIT would replace so much of my phone's functionality |
| 05:25.47 | johnx | hi, Nickel_ |
| 05:25.49 | Navi | Nickel_, hi |
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| 05:26.10 | Nickel_ | trying to get n800 to stream as a webcam, can't find package gstreamer0.10-3gp-osso |
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| 05:27.09 | Nickel_ | anyone tried to do video streaming? |
| 05:27.32 | johnx | I thought someone was doing it with vlc a while back |
| 05:28.08 | pupnik | yes there are a couple of projects |
| 05:28.36 | pupnik | for one of them we're kind-of waiting for vlc 0.9 to be released |
| 05:28.50 | Nickel_ | i see |
| 05:29.24 | pupnik | i think there's a mythtv frontend, a 'mediaserver', and an 'orb' client also |
| 05:30.06 | pupnik | oh i missed your prior post |
| 05:30.17 | Navi | Namely: Email, IRC, Email, Putty, Email, Media Playing, Email, dictionary, Email |
| 05:30.21 | pupnik | don't know about webcam - let me know if you find something |
| 05:31.06 | Nickel_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtostreamvideo/ |
| 05:31.23 | Nickel_ | This I have been trying to follow, but I can't seem to get all of the packages |
| 05:32.51 | Nickel_ | the gst-launch actually doesn't crash, but it gives a warning about Glib threading...'the application needs to be fixed..." |
| 05:33.29 | Nickel_ | and I haven't been able to open the stream from VLC (on windows) |
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| 05:35.20 | pupnik | cool, looking |
| 05:35.32 | leif__ | Nickel_, http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ ? (I haven't tried it myself) |
| 05:35.53 | tank-man | i cant seem to stream from my mythtv setup |
| 05:36.27 | tank-man | the server shows up in the file manager, but the videos can't be played in the default media player on os2008 |
| 05:36.33 | Nickel_ | leif__: yes, that one is almost the same how-to |
| 05:36.44 | leif__ | sorry. |
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| 05:40.06 | pupnik | hrm not gonna do it.. too much headache for no real purpose |
| 05:41.47 | pupnik | is the n810 stylus the same as the n800 stylus? |
| 05:42.57 | leif__ | no |
| 05:43.25 | pupnik | k |
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| 05:49.27 | LoCusF | I would seriously like a thicker stylus but N810 is still usable |
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| 06:06.12 | Navi | It beats the DS stylus, I would think. |
| 06:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | You wouldn't know. |
| 06:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | You're not part of the club |
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| 06:07.07 | Navi | The DS stylus cramps my finger. My little brother, being the creative scamp he is, made a pen stylus |
| 06:07.16 | Navi | s/finger./fingers./ |
| 06:07.47 | Navi | Don't ostracize me. I want to be in the cool club! |
| 06:08.07 | Proteous | the cool club is full of losers |
| 06:08.11 | zoran | one person cannot do taht, Navi |
| 06:08.22 | zoran | it is a matter of comunity behaveour |
| 06:08.23 | Proteous | losers!!!! |
| 06:08.43 | Proteous | that'll show them |
| 06:09.39 | zoran | folks, what is the mp3 player you concider the best, having connection to linux/bsd box in mind? |
| 06:09.51 | Navi | mpd |
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| 06:11.42 | johnx | best mp3 player for tablet? or desktop Linux? |
| 06:11.51 | zoran | device, johnx |
| 06:11.58 | zoran | like ipod or alike |
| 06:12.07 | Navi | mpd for either |
| 06:12.17 | Navi | Canola2 looks nice though |
| 06:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | Device, Navi. |
| 06:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | N800? :P |
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| 06:12.36 | Navi | Device? My phone. |
| 06:12.42 | zoran | ipod nano is about $200! |
| 06:12.50 | johnx | zoran, I use an N800 for mp3s :) |
| 06:12.55 | zoran | Navi, may I get your phone, please? |
| 06:12.58 | Navi | No. |
| 06:13.00 | rm_you | n800 was at $179 a few days ago :/ |
| 06:13.02 | johnx | two SD card slots, can sync via rsync |
| 06:13.03 | rm_you | it sold out QUICK |
| 06:13.16 | rm_you | oh? :P |
| 06:13.23 | zoran | my 770 is too big to walk with me all day |
| 06:13.27 | rm_you | you bought another? |
| 06:13.32 | johnx | need bigger pockets :) |
| 06:13.51 | GeneralAntilles | Might gift it to my sister. |
| 06:13.56 | rm_you | ah :P |
| 06:13.57 | rm_you | neat |
| 06:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Or it might just stay here. |
| 06:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't decided. |
| 06:14.07 | Navi | :P |
| 06:14.26 | zoran | dudes in buses have some strange white apples, looking realy fine |
| 06:14.50 | Lynoure | maybe Fuji apples... |
| 06:14.51 | zoran | copying files to it could be a headache |
| 06:15.12 | zoran | or greenapples :) |
| 06:15.22 | Navi | The Clix would be my second choice of device |
| 06:16.58 | zoran | hm, those sensa models look all the same; cannot find the diffs |
| 06:17.17 | johnx | it's pretty hard for an mp3 player to be *different* these days |
| 06:17.24 | zoran | yeah |
| 06:17.37 | zoran | I have fine cd player and like it much |
| 06:17.37 | johnx | some flash, a codec, a small screen, a crappy plastic case, and the big difference is marketing |
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| 06:18.10 | zoran | connecting to bsd box is my problem |
| 06:18.14 | VonGuard | ho |
| 06:18.18 | VonGuard | big room |
| 06:18.24 | zoran | ti should be seen as usb device |
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| 06:19.35 | johnx | some sandisk ones do that, and even some sony stuff does now... |
| 06:19.40 | johnx | hi VonGuard :) |
| 06:19.54 | zoran | jonhx, yeah, you could be write |
| 06:20.06 | zoran | oh, right! |
| 06:20.07 | VonGuard | hi johnx |
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| 06:22.34 | VonGuard | you all worried about the Troll Tech purchase? |
| 06:22.49 | johnx | worried? not really |
| 06:23.00 | johnx | definitely interested to see where it takes things |
| 06:23.06 | zoran | trolls should worry |
| 06:23.57 | VonGuard | hehe |
| 06:24.09 | johnx | might mean some shakeup for symbian, but I think on maemo the most we'll see is that addition of Qt as a development option |
| 06:24.13 | zoran | and nokia if openmoko comes to public in neat way |
| 06:24.40 | VonGuard | http://blog.gism.net/2008/01/28/nokia-trolltech-tablet-redux/ |
| 06:24.47 | johnx | really, the more toolkit the support, the better in my book |
| 06:25.03 | johnx | I'll be most interested in where it leaves motorola... |
| 06:25.08 | johnx | and their linux phones |
| 06:25.27 | VonGuard | yeah |
| 06:25.44 | VonGuard | they'll all be in a good position when google and android make all this shit irrelevent |
| 06:26.00 | johnx | yeah...unless they drop out of the handset business |
| 06:26.12 | johnx | does moto have an android phone in the pipeline? |
| 06:26.45 | VonGuard | dunno |
| 06:26.46 | zoran | handset looks like next all round device for everyone |
| 06:26.49 | VonGuard | i bet the support tyhe standard |
| 06:26.54 | VonGuard | yep |
| 06:27.13 | johnx | zoran, definitely. that's why google is smart to aim their requirements low :) |
| 06:27.16 | pupnik_ | why do so many people assume google will be successful with android? |
| 06:27.29 | zoran | fic has some new phone, freerunner |
| 06:27.36 | johnx | because of low system requirements, smart phone functionality and lots of support |
| 06:28.09 | johnx | as long as google doesn't completely screw it up, I think they'll be successful in the long run |
| 06:28.14 | zoran | fic has gps to have tips, when you come near shop, post office etc |
| 06:28.45 | johnx | I'll reserver judgement on openmoko until I see the released version |
| 06:29.02 | zoran | really changes the way peole use it |
| 06:29.15 | zoran | johnx, correct |
| 06:29.30 | zoran | it lasts too long to see it as a product |
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| 06:33.44 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 06:34.34 | johnx | puika, is this related to maemo? |
| 06:36.10 | VonGuard | no |
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| 06:40.24 | zoran | hm, what a mess about free music downloadable over the net! |
| 06:41.16 | johnx | zoran, hmm? you mean p2p? |
| 06:41.21 | zoran | slashdot pointed to some not really fnctional sites |
| 06:41.23 | zoran | yeah |
| 06:41.34 | zoran | not my kind of protocol |
| 06:41.56 | zoran | and some software should be installed |
| 06:42.53 | zoran | musicians and bands get a money from concerts this days, not cd-s |
| 06:43.17 | zoran | that could be a way to open all songs for download free |
| 06:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | Just like it used to be. |
| 06:43.30 | zoran | yeah |
| 06:43.37 | zoran | liek in old greek times |
| 06:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | No, like, 100 years ago. |
| 06:44.11 | zoran | yes, jazz bands play for free on the radio |
| 06:44.24 | zoran | and you go to the dancing room for a fun |
| 06:44.34 | johnx | thankfully at least amazon seems to have rallied some support for "no DRM" music downloads |
| 06:44.37 | Nickel_ | thar's a man at the radio station'll pay you to sing into a can |
| 06:45.07 | GeneralAntilles | Radio and jazz wasn't 1908 |
| 06:45.08 | zoran | when I found it possible to be true, I started looking for decent mp3 player |
| 06:45.11 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: damn, I've been defeated again... >_> it's not looking good for LCARS icons till MAYBE tomorrow afternoon <_< |
| 06:45.30 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: women are troublesome >_> |
| 06:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | But the troubles come with benefits. |
| 06:47.00 | johnx | 'night rm_you |
| 06:47.08 | rm_you | night john |
| 06:47.20 | rm_you | remind me to fill you in later :P |
| 06:47.58 | johnx | ok :) |
| 06:48.55 | pupnik_ | aha i can echo 4 > /proc/cpu/alignment manually right when i get to the error i care about... |
| 06:50.42 | zoran | on one mailing list I found thta ipod nano was seen as umass device! |
| 06:51.02 | zoran | freebsd from january |
| 06:51.34 | pupnik_ | it is |
| 06:51.49 | pupnik_ | but you can't copy music to it and have the ipod nano detect and play it |
| 06:51.57 | zoran | msdosfs? |
| 06:52.25 | zoran | some kind of registration? |
| 06:53.01 | pupnik_ | it uses an internal database and needs a program to write that correctly when adding music |
| 06:53.14 | pupnik_ | there's a gtk program that does this, but it never worked for me |
| 06:53.30 | pupnik_ | just don't buy an ipod |
| 06:53.45 | zoran | it is damn expensive, I won't |
| 06:54.03 | zoran | sandisk looks fine, sensa one |
| 06:54.09 | zoran | on the net, I mean |
| 06:55.06 | johnx | my wife has an e260 (I think that one). the ui is ok, nothing special |
| 06:55.19 | zoran | usb as umass? |
| 06:55.33 | johnx | yeah, you can switch modes |
| 06:55.40 | zoran | and decent sound? |
| 06:56.04 | johnx | I'm not really an audiophile and I don't have good headphones |
| 06:56.16 | johnx | plus, I don't use it much. she keeps it in her purse :) |
| 06:56.20 | zoran | lp's were the best |
| 06:56.39 | zoran | nto so easy to take with you away of home |
| 06:56.59 | zoran | k, I will change myself |
| 06:57.18 | zoran | I just don't know the topic |
| 06:57.31 | johnx | ah...the video support on it is *awful* |
| 06:57.32 | johnx | really bad |
| 06:57.41 | zoran | not my point of interest |
| 06:57.47 | johnx | just, pretend that's not even on the feature list |
| 06:57.47 | zoran | just music |
| 06:57.58 | johnx | just like the N800 camera :) |
| 06:58.06 | Fang64 | lol |
| 06:58.11 | Fang64 | two fails? |
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| 06:59.01 | Navi | The video support is just there because it was convienant |
| 06:59.24 | johnx | it uses some weird encoding of mjpeg |
| 06:59.25 | zoran | never used pc for that |
| 06:59.28 | johnx | with like mono sound |
| 06:59.32 | johnx | I'm not even kidding |
| 07:00.05 | johnx | like, you'd be better humming to yourself while watching a flipbook... |
| 07:00.09 | zoran | if that sansa could send 128/256 k... |
| 07:00.13 | Navi | The chipset they used supported it, so they stuck it in. |
| 07:00.24 | Navi | It's not even worth bothering |
| 07:00.25 | johnx | Navi, they don't *use* the chipset for video |
| 07:00.31 | Navi | Really? |
| 07:00.40 | johnx | the chip supports mp4 and they do mjpeg on the cpu |
| 07:00.47 | Fang64 | I think the Pandora might be better at it when it comes out if your looking for that kind of functionaliy |
| 07:00.51 | Navi | That's laughable. |
| 07:01.06 | Navi | Pandora over the N800 :D |
| 07:01.14 | Fang64 | at least for video |
| 07:01.18 | zoran | walking the street watching the movie |
| 07:01.20 | Fang64 | that OMAP looks better for video |
| 07:01.37 | Fang64 | well in general for media like that and if your into the whole emulation thing |
| 07:01.55 | Navi | you could go with a PSP if you're into video |
| 07:02.12 | johnx | ah, the N800 is fine for video for my needs |
| 07:02.14 | Fang64 | that too |
| 07:02.15 | Fang64 | lol |
| 07:02.23 | johnx | the sansa e2x0 is a joke though |
| 07:02.37 | Navi | as far as videos are concerned, they are. |
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| 07:02.40 | zoran | johnx, I'd use it just for mp3 |
| 07:02.52 | johnx | zoran, yeah, sorry, it's fine for music |
| 07:02.54 | Fang64 | I haven't had too many problems with video, unless your talking about flash video from other sites, that's a horror show |
| 07:02.57 | johnx | seems to last forever on a charge too |
| 07:03.00 | Fang64 | unless they finish loading x.x |
| 07:03.13 | Fang64 | yah music is great |
| 07:03.29 | Navi | we're talking about the e2x0 |
| 07:03.34 | Navi | Sansa |
| 07:03.39 | Fang64 | oh |
| 07:03.43 | Fang64 | not the N800 |
| 07:03.55 | Navi | They came out with that new sansa |
| 07:04.08 | Fang64 | ah, I own a sansa never used the video on it XD |
| 07:04.13 | Navi | I forget what they called it, not the crappy rhapsady one |
| 07:04.21 | Fang64 | oh |
| 07:04.29 | Fang64 | yah I ended up giving my to a family member to use |
| 07:04.32 | Fang64 | after I got the N800 |
| 07:04.36 | Navi | the wheel felt a bit better than the e2x0s |
| 07:04.47 | Navi | but it didn't light up |
| 07:05.25 | johnx | also, the e2x0 was charge from usb only |
| 07:05.31 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 07:05.42 | zoran | I recall salesman talking about win program, needed for sansa to work |
| 07:05.54 | zoran | not what i found on the net |
| 07:07.07 | Navi | I wanted the Zen Vision for a while |
| 07:07.14 | Navi | not the crappy, ugly W |
| 07:07.16 | johnx | salesmen lie |
| 07:07.34 | Navi | the nokia tablet sized one |
| 07:07.53 | johnx | single-purpose devices have never really interested me |
| 07:08.01 | Navi | oh hei, the refined the look of the vision W |
| 07:08.07 | zoran | I like single purpose devices :0 |
| 07:08.11 | Navi | Ain't so bad anymore |
| 07:08.14 | zoran | tooth brush |
| 07:08.25 | zoran | hair comb |
| 07:08.25 | Navi | Toothbrush/toilet scrubber |
| 07:08.46 | Navi | hair comb/fur groomer |
| 07:08.46 | zoran | yeah, multi purpose brush |
| 07:08.47 | johnx | I guess I should say, I'm don't find single purpose devices *exciting* |
| 07:08.58 | Navi | Jack of all trades... |
| 07:09.04 | johnx | master of some |
| 07:09.12 | zoran | slave to none |
| 07:09.19 | Navi | Of course, I'm not an audiophile, I'm not picky on video as long as it doesn't suck balls |
| 07:09.32 | zoran | I'm picky on audio |
| 07:09.34 | johnx | but does others adequetely thus requiring me to carry/charge fewer devices... |
| 07:09.44 | zoran | do not care about video at all |
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| 07:09.53 | johnx | semi-picky on video |
| 07:09.58 | Navi | I like my websurfing not on tiny windows |
| 07:10.05 | Navi | s/windows/screens |
| 07:10.31 | zoran | hm, 1024x768 is something I would just like for graphical net |
| 07:10.47 | zoran | console is fine on whatever |
| 07:11.17 | Navi | I'm known to ssh with my e70 |
| 07:11.31 | zoran | 770 is fine too for that |
| 07:11.33 | Navi | that tiny screen makes your eyes tired |
| 07:11.50 | zoran | anticipation is the king |
| 07:11.56 | johnx | zaurus 5500 was actually a pretty good portable ssh term |
| 07:12.08 | Navi | I really want to try paintnet |
| 07:12.26 | zoran | 770 is fine for ssh, except for sylusing |
| 07:12.33 | zoran | *stylusing |
| 07:12.50 | zoran | so, n810 _must_ be better for that |
| 07:13.01 | johnx | Navi, paint.net? |
| 07:13.59 | zoran | sansa seems to has some preconfigured directories, audible, config, one dnc... |
| 07:15.04 | zoran | some of them have card slot to extend memory |
| 07:15.07 | Navi | s/paintnet/mypaint |
| 07:15.54 | Navi | ttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079 |
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| 07:18.46 | zoran | hm, copying files seems enough, but sansa obviously makes some hash to use id3 tags |
| 07:19.46 | zoran | I'm not sure what playlists are, but they should not be copied |
| 07:20.18 | Navi | mypaint looks sexy |
| 07:20.21 | Navi | anyways, I'm off to bed |
| 07:20.25 | Navi | g'night |
| 07:21.02 | zoran | navy should never sleep |
| 07:21.39 | zoran | btw, dit to copy files is something like " ./MUSIC " |
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| 07:31.54 | pupnik_ | achchha... constant underruns |
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| 07:33.58 | Stskeeps | jku: www.citeulike.org/user/cvm is a good start - especially the taxonomy paper |
| 07:35.28 | Stskeeps | jku: and after march we'll have one out that covers the issue of different radios causing fingerprint methods to perform worse |
| 07:36.41 | jku | Stskeeps, thanks |
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| 07:42.34 | pupnik_ | -Wcast-align |
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| 07:50.48 | doc|home | pupnik_: thanks for that (it not being the same) |
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| 07:51.29 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
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| 07:52.35 | doc|home | spam ^ |
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| 07:55.02 | icepolarpolar | Hi I am new in Maemo development and trying to build a security application in Maemo Chinook .. |
| 07:55.02 | icepolarpolar | May I ask why Chinook do not come with osso-gnupg anymore? Basically I would need to access |
| 07:55.02 | icepolarpolar | the keyring and I would be using openssl too. |
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| 07:56.59 | pupnik_ | icepolarpolar: i see osso-gnupg in my repositories |
| 07:57.02 | pupnik_ | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
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| 08:05.24 | icepolarpolar | pupnik: thanks .. in this page it says osso-gnupg has been removed from chinook |
| 08:05.28 | icepolarpolar | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html |
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| 08:06.31 | icepolarpolar | hope to know the reason and would there is some new replacement for that package |
| 08:07.23 | icepolarpolar | by the way, i am referring to my scratchbox |
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| 08:10.08 | jku | icepolarpolar, you're looking at the page for beta |
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| 08:10.38 | jku | icepolarpolar, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/4.0b_vs_4.0_content_comparison.html says osso-gnupg source should be available |
| 08:11.27 | jku | not seeing the actual package though |
| 08:12.01 | jku | yeah, source is available |
| 08:12.22 | leif__ | osso-gnupg is 1.4.2-7 on the device and in the maemo4.0 source repo, but no binary package is available |
| 08:14.09 | icepolarpolar | thanks ppl .. so i can expect osso-gnupg to be continue to be available in the tablets right? |
| 08:14.27 | icepolarpolar | and I should compile the source for scratchbox development |
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| 08:16.02 | icepolarpolar | would there be any replacement package for osso-gnupg in the short future? |
| 08:18.25 | jku | icepolarpolar, N doesn't talk about the future much, but I'd guess you can rely on on gpg to be there... |
| 08:18.42 | jku | certainly for OS2008 lifetime |
| 08:19.35 | icepolarpolar | ok thanks a lot ppl :) |
| 08:20.07 | johnx | I agree with jku. It definitely looks like a lot of important stuff depends on it |
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| 08:29.03 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:29.13 | johnx | 'mornin' |
| 08:31.09 | icepolarpolar | paivaa |
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| 08:37.17 | pupnik_ | anybody feel like fixing up sound code for an emulator? :) |
| 08:37.29 | guardian | morning |
| 08:38.35 | pupnik_ | moohoo |
| 08:40.54 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:46.38 | hahlo | offtopic, does anyone know how grub see optic drives like /dev/hdc ? |
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| 08:48.40 | johnx | hahlo, I don't think it *does* see them |
| 08:48.55 | johnx | were you looking to add a 'boot to cd' entry to your grub boot screen? |
| 08:49.52 | hahlo | johnx: no i have problem to find /dev/hda in grub |
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| 08:50.28 | johnx | ah |
| 08:50.40 | hahlo | johnx: /dev/sda is hd0 |
| 08:51.16 | johnx | and /dev/hda doesn't get an (hdx) listing in grub? |
| 08:51.38 | Jaffa | johnx: grub tends to use hd(0,0) syntax |
| 08:51.52 | johnx | oops, forgot the syntax... |
| 08:52.04 | johnx | but it doesn't get a grub-style entry in grub? |
| 08:52.24 | Jaffa | You should be able to tab-complete and see what grub can see |
| 08:52.33 | johnx | also, grub syntax is (hd0,1). we were both wrong... |
| 08:52.38 | hahlo | how i ask grub to list all devices? |
| 08:53.28 | Jaffa | johnx: I thought it might be - I can never rememeber ;-) |
| 08:53.37 | hahlo | got two ata disks and 8 sata-disks |
| 08:53.51 | johnx | O_o |
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| 08:55.48 | johnx | hahlo, type: |
| 08:55.53 | johnx | find (hd |
| 08:55.55 | johnx | then hit tab |
| 08:55.57 | tama^2 | hi |
| 08:56.13 | johnx | hi |
| 08:56.40 | hahlo | johnx: ok thanks |
| 08:56.42 | keesj | Hi |
| 08:57.35 | Cptnodegard | i want to kill whoever put that sticker there on the igo kb -.- |
| 08:59.42 | pupnik_ | Binary + Sources of a very fast Apple ][ emulator now online. Consumes very little CPU, works like a charm except for sound buffer issues (fixable). http://pupnik.de/maemoapple.tgz Based off linapple / applewin sources. |
| 09:00.12 | inz | You should start making debs |
| 09:02.08 | pupnik_ | So... you fix the sound and I'll make the deb? |
| 09:02.22 | inz | Nah ;) |
| 09:03.34 | pupnik_ | You might enjoy seeing this one run... while playing Karateka it was only using 5-10% cpu... |
| 09:03.48 | johnx | that's pretty cool |
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| 09:26.24 | _collin_ | hi |
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| 09:55.10 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 10:10.07 | hrw | ~seen jott |
| 10:10.08 | infobot | jott <n=j@unaffiliated/jott> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8h 20m 41s ago, saying: 'yes.. the white line is still there (on the first slide and on the 3rd/digital clock slide)'. |
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| 10:50.15 | hrw | is it possible to restart X11 on os2008 without restarting whole device? |
| 10:50.49 | Jaffa | If you killed the watchdog, probably. |
| 10:56.16 | zuh | I think shutting down any UI bits first and then X through the /etc/osso-af-init and /etc/init.d scripts should work |
| 10:56.24 | zuh | Even with the watchdog |
| 10:56.40 | zuh | But I haven't actually tested it that far so YMMV |
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| 11:02.59 | lardman | Anyone in the UK on here? |
| 11:03.09 | lardman | Best place to buy microSD for the n810? |
| 11:04.09 | hrw | microsd? not minisd? |
| 11:04.27 | hrw | but right - microsd are more popular |
| 11:04.35 | wwp | w/ adapter ;) |
| 11:04.53 | hrw | ~curse nokia for keyboard handling |
| 11:04.54 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia for keyboard handling ! |
| 11:04.59 | hrw | usual curse ;D |
| 11:06.36 | lardman | I think it only takes microsd |
| 11:06.56 | Jaffa | lardman: I got mine from mobymemory.com IIRC |
| 11:06.59 | lardman | I tried to fit a mini mmc yesterday and it wouldn't go in |
| 11:07.13 | lardman | Jaffa: yeah, I'm looking at that now; need it tomorrow though |
| 11:07.22 | lardman | need to check if they do next day |
| 11:07.24 | Jaffa | lardman: yeah, jut checked: mobymemory.co.uk |
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| 11:10.47 | lardman | hmm, doesn't look like that does Saturday delivery |
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| 11:16.47 | tony2001 | it's really annoying that packages get updated, but -dev packages are still of the old version |
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| 11:29.16 | hrw | tony2001: I would say 'welcome in maemo world' but today is Friday so I will not be so cruel |
| 11:30.18 | Robot101 | s/in/to/ :P |
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| 11:35.54 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 11:38.22 | trickie | keesj: nice that your lightning talk got it! |
| 11:38.26 | trickie | looking forward to it |
| 11:38.36 | trickie | in! |
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| 11:50.12 | hrw | guys: can maemomapper autosave tracks? |
| 11:52.41 | tank-man | between sessions, yes |
| 11:53.59 | hrw | how to set it to do it? |
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| 12:27.19 | tank-man | hrw, by default it does that i think |
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| 12:53.50 | smilingMan | hi all |
| 12:54.03 | Tak | good morning smilingMan |
| 12:54.16 | smilingMan | I want some advice from ppl which have a handheld for some time |
| 12:54.42 | smilingMan | do you use the same google talk account on the pc and the handheld? |
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| 12:55.30 | smilingMan | do you have them both connected at the same time under the same account 24/7? |
| 12:56.10 | smilingMan | need I apply a script to kill my IM client at the pc when I am connected via the handheld? |
| 12:56.14 | Tak | I don't do much with gtalk on the device |
| 12:56.23 | smilingMan | hrw: hi |
| 12:56.37 | smilingMan | Tak: oh I see |
| 12:56.38 | Tak | but I've had it logged in at several different PCs, and it seems to handle it ok |
| 12:56.39 | jku | smilingMan, they can be both on |
| 12:57.12 | smilingMan | hi jku, would msgs be sent to the two devices ALWAYS? |
| 12:57.28 | jku | you can define different "profiles" (wait I'll dig the real name of that feature) |
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| 12:57.52 | smilingMan | when I leave the pc , I may leave the IM on, then when ppl see me on, they may msg me, while I am away |
| 12:58.06 | Tak | iirc the first message is sent to all devices, and if you respond on one, the remainder of that conversation is directed to that one only |
| 12:59.05 | jku | smilingMan, Resources. So your tablet might have resource "mobile" and your desktop resource "home" |
| 12:59.05 | smilingMan | now, If I use a second account, when it comes on , ppl may now I am not avail on my previous account |
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| 12:59.20 | hrw | I do not use google talk at all |
| 12:59.30 | hrw | I use normal jabber ;D |
| 12:59.32 | jku | hrw it's just xmpp |
| 12:59.42 | hrw | jku: I know |
| 12:59.57 | smilingMan | hi hrw, fine, what do you use to have both clients on? |
| 13:00.11 | hrw | smilingMan: different resources |
| 13:00.16 | smilingMan | where can I define these resources? in the client? |
| 13:00.49 | smilingMan | pls tell me where to define the "resource" in the handheld |
| 13:01.25 | jku | smilingMan, unorftunately xmpp resource prioirities are not widely usedin clients so messages sometimes end up in wrong places... |
| 13:01.36 | jku | smilingMan, see the advanced settings in IM client |
| 13:01.39 | Tak | crap - "grep: /usr/lib/libXext.la: No such file or directory" |
| 13:02.42 | jku | smilingMan, remember to set "away when idle" that helps to get messages to (mostly) the right place |
| 13:03.02 | smilingMan | oh I do have "resource" in my kopete |
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| 13:03.45 | smilingMan | ok, so my freinds - use he same handle - but the clients figures what resource to use? |
| 13:05.10 | jku | smilingMan, if message is sent without specified resource (the normal situation) the server decides which resources it will send the message |
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| 13:05.46 | jku | it should do it based on resource priorities, but like I said client support is not too good |
| 13:05.51 | smilingMan | can I name the resource in my maemo client? |
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| 13:06.25 | jku | smilingMan, yeah in some advanced account settings |
| 13:07.16 | smilingMan | no priority setting |
| 13:08.22 | smilingMan | fine thanks |
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| 13:44.50 | jott | hello |
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| 13:45.27 | Tobotras | What to read to get a quick intro to programming in maemo? Maemo-specific, I mean. |
| 13:46.31 | jku | Tobotras: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/Quick%20Start%20Guide/ |
| 13:46.45 | Tobotras | jku: thanks |
| 13:46.53 | jku | that is linked on the main documentation pag, by the way |
| 13:47.00 | jku | page, even |
| 13:47.15 | Tobotras | :) |
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| 13:50.29 | Tak | ./maemo_example: Segmentation fault |
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| 14:01.04 | jott | there is no plain, "continuous" slider in hildon? the gtkhscale looks alienated and the hildoncontrolbar is ridiculously slow with increasing range... |
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| 14:02.12 | Tak | continuous? |
| 14:02.34 | jott | the hildoncontrolbar uses this "discrete" blocks |
| 14:02.37 | Tak | what about HildonSeekbar ‽ |
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| 14:03.43 | jott | that looks wrong.. as i have to set the fraction to maximum and then it's all "blue" |
| 14:03.56 | jott | (as position <= fraction) |
| 14:04.35 | jott | the only thing that looks quite good is the volume slider but that has the mute toggle.. |
| 14:04.46 | Jaffa | jott: presumably you want something like the volu... yeah |
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| 14:04.54 | Tak | custom widget? ;-) |
| 14:05.04 | jott | i suppose.. man gtk sucks :P |
| 14:05.10 | Tak | no, gtk is awesome |
| 14:05.16 | jott | no way ;) |
| 14:05.30 | Jaffa | jott: check on maemo-developers |
| 14:05.32 | Tak | blame hildon/maemo/nokia for making it look and act like crap on the device :-P |
| 14:05.48 | Jaffa | In fact, rm_you's enhanced backlight control has one just like that (from the screenshots) |
| 14:06.22 | jott | it's the hildoncontrolbar and it's slow :/ |
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| 14:31.22 | LastLemming | hello |
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| 14:57.13 | Navi_ | Ha |
| 14:58.36 | solmumaha | where do i uncheck make accidental doubleclicks? |
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| 15:05.23 | hrw | jott: hi |
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| 15:05.46 | jott | hrw: hello |
| 15:05.47 | hrw | jott: do you have working ISO_Level5_Shift keymap? |
| 15:05.56 | jott | yes, i suppose |
| 15:06.17 | hrw | jott: I tried to make <COMP> ISO_Level5_Shift but it then works like there is no key (added it as modifier) |
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| 15:07.06 | jott | for some reason you also need to define "modifier_map Mod3 { ISO_Level5_Shift };" |
| 15:07.12 | jott | to make the key work.. |
| 15:07.15 | hrw | jott: http://pastebin.ca/905065 |
| 15:07.55 | jott | hm |
| 15:08.27 | jott | and Chr does not activate Level5 for you? |
| 15:08.47 | jott | (for the EIGHT_LEVELs) |
| 15:08.53 | hrw | not at all |
| 15:09.01 | hrw | xev recognize it as Meta_R |
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| 15:09.43 | jott | fwiw i defined the key and modifier_map in "base".. don't know if this changes anything |
| 15:10.50 | jott | xev shows state 0x20, keycode 135 (keysym 0xfe11, ISO_Level5_Shift), same_screen YES,... |
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| 15:11.30 | leo2007`` | what would the next version of n series look like |
| 15:11.51 | hrw | jott: I want to not touch original keymaps |
| 15:12.04 | jott | i see.. but still might be worth a try to narrow it down |
| 15:12.05 | hrw | jott: it has to be normal package not hack ;) |
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| 15:13.08 | hrw | yep |
| 15:13.34 | hrw | leo2007``: will have foldable 1680x1050 7" screen, dual ARM Cortex and 4D acceleration |
| 15:13.54 | jott | and it can make coffee |
| 15:13.58 | Navi_ | sexy |
| 15:14.14 | hrw | wimax, wimin, wifi, redtooth, bluetooth and 24 days on one charge |
| 15:14.33 | jott | oh and it will be based on windows mobile 7 :P |
| 15:14.56 | hrw | jott: no - linux + qt (now when nokia owns trolltech)... |
| 15:15.13 | jott | hehe i would be fine with that ;) |
| 15:15.23 | Navi_ | Pfft, my device has all that and it's based on Windows Mobile Vista, which makes it better. |
| 15:16.27 | zoran | with patch for mind supression? |
| 15:17.20 | Navi_ | yes |
| 15:17.39 | jku | zoran, I believe distributing a reality distortion field with home electronics is patented, but maybe this is different... |
| 15:18.11 | zoran | this sp11143 will erase all same minds and set defaults |
| 15:18.17 | zoran | *sane |
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| 15:21.01 | jott | hrw: mh i moved the definition and mapping up to my local keymap and it still works.. |
| 15:23.24 | jott | you are aware that the order is: "None, Shift, LevelThree, Shift+LevelThree, LevelFive, Shift+LevelFive, LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive" |
| 15:23.29 | jott | ?! |
| 15:23.35 | hrw | yes |
| 15:24.54 | hrw | jott: I will do more testing during weekend - now I have to go |
| 15:24.56 | jott | hmm i c&p'd your stuff |
| 15:25.07 | jott | ~ $ setxkbmap -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(pl)" |
| 15:25.07 | jott | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 15:25.12 | jott | hmm |
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| 15:25.18 | hrw | will test later |
| 15:25.19 | hrw | bye |
| 15:25.21 | jott | bye |
| 15:26.36 | jott | this setxkbmap could be more verbose :/ |
| 15:26.47 | jott | increases -v |
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| 15:38.29 | jott | hrw|gone: ok found your error - AC01 misses a comma between "exclam exclam" |
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| 15:51.58 | pupnik | here is a nice puzzle for jott? :/ :) Apple ][ emulator - almost working great http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=142736#post142736 |
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| 15:52.27 | jott | :) |
| 15:52.44 | BReady6433 | hello :) |
| 15:53.40 | pupnik | hi |
| 15:54.40 | BReady6433 | how ya doing pupnik? |
| 15:56.32 | zoran | kernel mode reading? |
| 15:58.42 | pupnik | podnering why openal is not working |
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| 16:05.43 | BReady6433 | cool |
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| 16:20.09 | lardman | bye all, see you in 3 weeks |
| 16:23.37 | BReady6433 | hey my email is sitting there trying to send and wont time out i tried to find the process to kill with ps but dont know which process to kill |
| 16:24.04 | BReady6433 | dang it nm didn't mean to send that i found it |
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| 16:39.10 | Jaffa | BReady6433: osso-email if it's the built-in client |
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| 16:42.12 | jackster | anyone else experienced a problem with itos2008's mail program and gmail imap? |
| 16:42.43 | Jaffa | jackster: no-one uses the built-in mail program as it's a pile of crap, and has been since OS2005. |
| 16:42.43 | jackster | i click on an email and it just sticks saying 'retrieving' |
| 16:43.14 | ||cw | Jaffa: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel :D |
| 16:43.19 | jackster | ah, well that's good to know, any alternatives? |
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| 16:43.37 | Jaffa | jackster: http://modest.garage.maemo.org |
| 16:43.50 | jackster | thanks |
| 16:44.02 | Jaffa | ||cw: the fact it's still there, and modest is still beta - after 3 years - pisses me off when I think about it |
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| 16:45.03 | ||cw | claws any good? |
| 16:45.34 | Jaffa | Not a good mobile UI, IMHO |
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| 16:46.00 | ||cw | still using 06 on a 770, looks like modest is no option for me :/ |
| 16:46.16 | Jaffa | doh |
| 16:46.23 | Jaffa | There's a 2008 HE now, I read. |
| 16:46.36 | Tak | moo?! |
| 16:46.56 | ||cw | unstable it says, and not likely to become stable from the sound of it |
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| 16:47.10 | Jaffa | They've said that about every HE, AIUI? |
| 16:47.58 | Jaffa | Ah, but it does sound very broken. |
| 16:48.02 | Tak | Jaffa: where did you read this? |
| 16:48.14 | pupnik | first reports claim it works pretty well |
| 16:48.18 | BReady6433 | well it was my fault because gmail uses ssl.. but it should have timed out or something! |
| 16:48.20 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html |
| 16:48.22 | Jaffa | ^Tak |
| 16:48.28 | Tak | killer, thanks |
| 16:49.05 | Tak | "Hardware limitations are clear in certain circumstances, extra swap memory is required to get a decent performance, the device reboots from time to time..." |
| 16:49.19 | Tak | that was already true of 2007HE and 2006 |
| 16:49.28 | pupnik | :) |
| 16:49.30 | Jaffa | X-Fade: fancy making http://maemo.org/news/announcements/rss.xml syndicated on p.m.o? |
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| 16:54.41 | pupnik | Tak did you see this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16662 |
| 16:55.31 | Tak | pupnik: very cool |
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| 16:57.47 | BReady6433 | any one know if 2008os make finger scrolling a little easier on apps like the web browser? |
| 16:58.07 | zuh | Compared to what? |
| 16:58.57 | BReady6433 | i just noticed that the reason why scrolling is so hard on opera is because i am not using the stylus.. heh |
| 16:59.16 | BReady6433 | compared to os2007 |
| 17:01.17 | zuh | Well at some point it was ok. Then they made it "easier" to select text and scrolling became very error prone (ie. half of the time you end up selecting text). I'm not sure if it was the 2007->2008 transfer or what. Though I guess it was beta versus final 2008, since it was microb in both cases... |
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| 17:02.04 | zuh | But I think some of the problem is just that the touchscreen is a bit flakey |
| 17:03.34 | Jaffa | N810 is closest, but if only it had the polish and attention to detail of an iPhone. You'll just not get that from a big diverse company like Nokia, though |
| 17:04.20 | BReady6433 | okay what you mean by error prone would it crash the app? or you mean text would be selected instead of a link ? |
| 17:04.55 | zuh | Text selected instead of scrolling. Touching links is near-impossible even with the stulys ;) |
| 17:05.16 | mgedmin | I manage with my thumbs somehow |
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| 17:05.35 | mgedmin | but it does appear that microb in os2008 is buggy and often selects text instead of scrolling |
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| 17:05.52 | mgedmin | or sometimes it's just too slow to start scrolling |
| 17:06.01 | BReady6433 | if the n800 had open authentication with wep and a hair smaller size it would be perfect to me.. |
| 17:06.32 | pupnik | karateka is so awesome :) |
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| 17:07.04 | zuh | I poke at the link. It gets a mouseover hilight. I poke it again, it gets the blue focus rectangle. I poke third time, almost ramming the stylys through the screen and *then* microb goes "oh, you meant _activate_ the link..." |
| 17:07.49 | Tak | if it gets focus, just push the enter button ;-) |
| 17:08.01 | mgedmin | right, that's what I do ;) |
| 17:08.04 | BReady6433 | hah yeah i have to click the link a hundred times to get it to work |
| 17:08.29 | zuh | Tak: I already poked it twice by then, you'd think once would suffice :) |
| 17:08.33 | mgedmin | strange random bug: once I managet to get a popup menu on a link, and it had "open link" but not "open link in new window" |
| 17:08.39 | mgedmin | usually I find both items in the menu |
| 17:09.01 | mgedmin | if I knew how to reproduce, I'd create a bug report |
| 17:09.59 | zuh | mgedmin: It depends on the link type, IIRC if it opens in a new window by default (ie. has target=foo) the menu doesn't show the new window option... |
| 17:10.09 | mgedmin | aha! |
| 17:10.10 | mgedmin | darn |
| 17:10.20 | mgedmin | a new window was exactly what I wanted :) |
| 17:11.16 | zuh | Yeah, quite backwards isn't it :) |
| 17:12.05 | zuh | The links that you are most likely to want in a new window are not showing the option... |
| 17:14.28 | _berto_ | solmumaha: you there ? |
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| 17:33.55 | pupnik | i managed to discover that doubling the amount written by Speaker.cpp elinimates the frequent underruns |
| 17:34.01 | pupnik | but this is not the correct solution |
| 17:36.24 | Tak | no amount of buffering will suffice if the fill rate is consistently less than the play rate |
| 17:36.42 | derf | That's not true. |
| 17:36.48 | derf | 100% buffering will suffice. |
| 17:37.22 | Tak | that's true; however our devices don't have enough ram to 100% buffer an infinite stream |
| 17:37.30 | derf | Curses! |
| 17:37.42 | Tak | maybe the n900 ;-) |
| 17:40.13 | Navi | By the time I find a job and get an n800, the n900 will be out :( |
| 17:44.19 | pupnik | Tak it's a programmatic problem - the engine has self-adjusting bufferfilling code, which i haven't grokked yet |
| 17:44.26 | pupnik | the emu is idling most of the time |
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| 17:46.35 | pupnik | karateka has a beautiful phased/chorused pulse-wave monophonic software synth... such a shame to hear it go blrubrbuphthlbp |
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| 18:07.30 | pope523 | Can someone answer a quick question about the N800's capabilities? I bought a 770 and found there's a couple of things it can't do that I need. |
| 18:07.41 | Jaffa | e.g.? |
| 18:08.21 | pope523 | Mount Windows shares and play MP3 audio and Divx/xvid video from them, and PPTP VPN tunnelling. |
| 18:10.26 | pupnik | can someone advise/help linking to hardware floating point libm |
| 18:12.22 | michele_ | gosh... this lenovo X300 is lovely |
| 18:12.48 | mgedmin | pope523: what's the question? |
| 18:13.20 | mgedmin | fwiw I'm sure it's possible to find 3rd party software that lets you mount windows shares and do pptp |
| 18:13.25 | mgedmin | but it won't be easy, I expect |
| 18:13.34 | mgedmin | a n800 with os2008 can mount windows shares out of the box |
| 18:13.40 | mgedmin | I haven't noticed any pptp |
| 18:13.41 | Jaffa | pope523: OS 2008 allows mounting Window shares and accessing any file on them. DivX/Xvid playback has improved slightly, and mplayer keeps getting better but most video files probably best being transcoded |
| 18:13.45 | mgedmin | video is still problematic |
| 18:14.02 | Jaffa | PPTP VPN tunnelling is apparently possible (needs a new kernel) and although it'd be handy for me, I haven't tried |
| 18:14.46 | pope523 | Ok, thanks |
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| 18:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't fanoush compile a kernel to support PPTP? |
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| 18:18.41 | BReady6433 | i keep on getting errors for libc6. i look in app manager and find no libc6 to dl. which repo would that be in? |
| 18:19.08 | BReady6433 | when i install diff apps i get that is |
| 18:19.54 | darkip | checked in red pill mode? |
| 18:21.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
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| 18:27.06 | BReady6433 | no.. still missing lbc6. thanks fpr the idea though |
| 18:28.31 | BReady6433 | would it be inside a ;ib package found in app manager? |
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| 18:41.37 | BReady6433 | so i did an apt-get install libc6. it says i already have it! |
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| 18:43.03 | BReady6433 | i enter matrix in website form in new app catalogue, hit cancel and select red pill. thats all i have to do for red pill mode, correct? |
| 18:43.11 | jku | BReady6433, what exactly is the erro you get? |
| 18:45.18 | jku | BReady6433, it's really not possible to not have libc6 so that's not your problem |
| 18:45.51 | BReady6433 | i must be doing redpill qrong.. |
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| 18:56.45 | BReady6433 | is there a way to check the version of libc6? |
| 18:58.43 | BReady6433 | sorry jku |
| 18:59.30 | jku | BReady6433, "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 18:59.41 | jku | but like I said that's not your problem |
| 19:00.03 | jku | not unless you've used considerable violence... |
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| 19:00.30 | BReady6433 | lol ol |
| 19:00.35 | BReady6433 | ok |
| 19:03.10 | jku | so what was the original error message, and what were you doing? |
| 19:03.33 | BReady6433 | ok |
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| 19:06.19 | BReady6433 | i was trying to install the dtris .deb abd once i click install in app manager it tells me it couldnt install because some packages required are missing. |
| 19:07.15 | BReady6433 | i checked details and it is the libc6 >= 2.5.0.1 |
| 19:07.52 | BReady6433 | this is after i enabled redpill mode |
| 19:08.07 | jku | ithat is not compatible with any ITOS I believe |
| 19:08.46 | jku | the newest OS has 2.5.0-1osso7 and AFAIK that is a smaller version number than 2.5.0.1 |
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| 19:09.05 | BReady6433 | dang hit wrong x |
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| 19:13.15 | Navi | xxxx |
| 19:13.35 | BReady6433 | yyyyyy |
| 19:13.42 | Navi | zzzzzzzz |
| 19:14.06 | jku | BReady6433, if you're talking about ltris, then the dependency is to 2.5.0-1 which is fine on the newest OS |
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| 19:14.18 | jku | BReady6433, which OS version are you running? |
| 19:14.49 | BReady6433 | 2007 |
| 19:15.16 | jku | well there's your problem no doubt, older libc |
| 19:15.34 | jku | that is a way to have an older libc... |
| 19:16.01 | BReady6433 | oh! |
| 19:16.40 | BReady6433 | so maybe i should upgrade.. |
| 19:17.02 | jku | BReady6433, yeah, I don' |
| 19:17.21 | jku | I don't think much software will support 2007 in a while |
| 19:17.53 | jku | anyway OS2008 is pretty good |
| 19:18.57 | BReady6433 | ok.. is that what happened to 2006 and 2005 ? |
| 19:19.18 | BReady6433 | ok i think i qill do that tonight |
| 19:20.17 | jku | BReady6433, yeah, pretty much, 2006 is still the official OS for the 770 so that has some reason for existence, but OS2007... I think it will pretty much disappear |
| 19:21.36 | BReady6433 | alright cool. |
| 19:21.51 | BReady6433 | thanks for your help man |
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| 19:35.02 | fugitivo | hello |
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| 20:00.12 | suseJ | hello |
| 20:00.28 | suseJ | what is the best package for getting root |
| 20:00.28 | Tak | hello |
| 20:00.28 | suseJ | ? |
| 20:00.35 | suseJ | on os2008 |
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| 20:02.00 | suseJ | what is the default root password on for os2008 |
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| 20:02.11 | suseJ | can i ad my user to the wheel group? |
| 20:02.28 | jku | suseJ, I just install openssh and "ssh root@localhost" |
| 20:03.09 | pupnik | softvfp uses hardfloat? |
| 20:03.50 | pupnik | sorry i think i get it |
| 20:04.44 | pupnik | the -mfpu=vfp says 'use hardfloat' and the -mfloat-abi=softfp means be comatible with the softfloat libraries linked-in |
| 20:05.47 | suseJ | what is the perfered ap for getting root on the os 2008? |
| 20:06.12 | n800music | is there anyone working on a music sequencer? |
| 20:09.01 | jott | pupnik: yes, i think this is somehow correct (as in vfp instructions with compatible eabi) |
| 20:10.09 | jott | suseJ: well there is "gainroot", "easyroot" and openssh and then ssh locally... (i prefer easyroot YMMV) |
| 20:10.14 | pupnik | n800music: not really. i have found some that might be good candidates |
| 20:10.40 | jott | n800music: i have compiled schism tracker that works quite nice |
| 20:10.52 | n800music | sweet! |
| 20:10.52 | jott | hydrogen works too, but is at the hardware limit |
| 20:11.17 | suseJ | ok |
| 20:11.20 | suseJ | sounds good |
| 20:11.24 | suseJ | easy root it is |
| 20:11.29 | suseJ | thanks for the advice |
| 20:11.38 | n800music | how do i get that to work |
| 20:11.56 | n800music | is it hard fir mediocre linuxer people |
| 20:12.14 | n800music | err you know what i mean |
| 20:12.17 | suseJ | is there a working snes emulator for os2008? |
| 20:12.57 | jott | n800music: i've some packages for schismtracker.. hold on i can put them somewhere.. |
| 20:15.34 | jott | http://sse2.net/schism/ you have to install them with dpkg.. |
| 20:15.42 | jott | (red pill should work too) |
| 20:15.48 | jott | n800music: ^^ |
| 20:16.31 | jott | do you know schism tracker? |
| 20:16.59 | n800music | no but i know trackers |
| 20:17.19 | n800music | been using buzz since 98 |
| 20:17.20 | jott | ok.. it's an clone of the oldschool impulse tracker |
| 20:17.33 | n800music | cool |
| 20:17.42 | jott | http://sovietrussia.org/wiki/Schism_Tracker |
| 20:17.49 | jott | for some infos :) |
| 20:18.08 | jott | sound quality is nice.. i played some xm and it files and they sound great imho ;) |
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| 20:19.48 | jott | i assume you have os2008, but the packages *should* work on 07 as it's basically just SDL.. if there are missing dependency i can put them on the site too |
| 20:20.28 | n800music | awesoome, lemme try it |
| 20:21.51 | TommyA | hi. got a strange problem with os 2006, python 2.4 and ukmp/uktube. ukmp does start and works well, uktube does not start and the main problem is that opera seems to be damage since installation as the url bar is hidden since then. |
| 20:21.57 | pupnik | suseJ: you can get about 12-18 fps with this one http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html |
| 20:22.54 | pupnik | jott: coool :) |
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| 20:25.34 | pupnik | suseJ: but you have to fix the sound |
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| 20:27.59 | jott | n800music: erm only problem might be input without a keyboard :( .. there is no vkb and i've a n810 so no need for a vkb :/ .. |
| 20:28.27 | jott | pupnik: a generic sdl vkb would be really great useful sometimes :) |
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| 20:28.58 | jott | s/t u/t and u/ |
| 20:28.59 | Tak | I started porting my ruby one to vala |
| 20:29.09 | n800music | jott i would get a bluetooth kb just for this |
| 20:29.33 | Tak | I'm currently blocking on laziness/a better xml lib binding |
| 20:29.49 | suseJ | nice |
| 20:29.50 | pupnik | i would recommend bluetooth keyboard unconditionally |
| 20:29.53 | suseJ | thanks pupnik |
| 20:30.08 | suseJ | is there a working version of kismet for os2008 |
| 20:30.18 | suseJ | i saw a few but they were not for os 2008 |
| 20:31.44 | pupnik | don't think so |
| 20:31.58 | n800music | i can't install the one on the sse2 server |
| 20:32.09 | jott | n800music: what's the problem? |
| 20:32.51 | n800music | something incompatible, one sec |
| 20:33.19 | jott | do you have os08? |
| 20:33.29 | suseJ | what is the best samba client that is avalible? |
| 20:33.31 | n800music | yeah |
| 20:33.51 | jott | ok.. it should definitely work somehow then ;) |
| 20:34.29 | n800music | incompatible app package |
| 20:34.44 | jott | hmm ah yeah.. it's not maemo-rized |
| 20:34.56 | jott | the "easiest" way is to install them via dpkg from xterm |
| 20:35.39 | jott | (so ssh root@n810 and then wget http://sse2.net/schism/libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb and wget http://sse2.net/schism/schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb and then dpkg -i libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb .. |
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| 20:37.57 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/905501 hehehe dosbox 0.58 drawing much to the screen (oprofile) |
| 20:39.38 | n800music | hm i never logged into as root before |
| 20:39.59 | n800music | i just got mine a couple days ago |
| 20:40.32 | jott | n800music: oh :) .. just install openssh server via the app manager.. it will ask you for a password and start ssh then |
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| 20:54.12 | n800music | still around? |
| 20:54.15 | jott | yes |
| 20:54.27 | n800music | installed ossh |
| 20:54.59 | n800music | mmm now what ;( |
| 20:55.10 | jott | can you ssh into the device? |
| 20:55.44 | n800music | ssh root@n800 doesn'ted do anythung |
| 20:56.03 | jott | ssh root@theipofyourn810 ;) |
| 20:56.29 | jott | are you on windows or *nix? |
| 20:56.55 | n800music | i'm on the n800 atm |
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| 20:57.16 | jott | ah ok.. you can then ssh root@localhost for now :) |
| 20:57.23 | n800music | hence my typing speed |
| 20:57.31 | n800music | ok |
| 20:58.06 | jott | (i just assumed that typing the long url is not very convinient when you are on your desktop :) |
| 20:59.00 | n800music | i'm in |
| 20:59.13 | n800music | i'm trying to/get used to.it |
| 20:59.18 | jott | hehe sure :) |
| 20:59.42 | jott | wget http://sse2.net/schism/libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb && wget http://sse2.net/schism/schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb && dpkg -i libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb |
| 20:59.57 | jott | ^^ copy and paste this ;) |
| 21:04.04 | keesj | jott: as root I guess :0 |
| 21:04.23 | jott | yes.. ;) he has already done ssh root@.. ;) |
| 21:08.51 | n800music | i don'tknow how to copy in pidgin |
| 21:09.09 | n800music | i probably sound retarded. |
| 21:10.02 | n800music | it's the interface, the touchscreen |
| 21:10.15 | n800music | throwing me off |
| 21:10.57 | lcuk_3 | i bet there isnt a single person here who hasnt asked a seemingly silly question on irc before |
| 21:11.43 | n800music | i bet yiu're wrong |
| 21:11.55 | n800music | i hope |
| 21:12.19 | n800music | ok i get wget: not found |
| 21:12.25 | jott | n800music: you can try this.. my first "install" http://sse2.net/schism/schism.install ;) |
| 21:12.34 | jott | seems to work here ;> |
| 21:13.00 | jott | yieks.. wget is not install per default? |
| 21:13.09 | jott | the install should be easier :) |
| 21:13.19 | jott | (the schism.install ) |
| 21:16.17 | n800music | how does this work? |
| 21:16.18 | jott | ah mime type is also fixed ;) |
| 21:16.27 | n800music | ah |
| 21:16.29 | jott | you should be able to just click on the link |
| 21:16.43 | jott | and then "Open" it with the application manager |
| 21:17.16 | jott | Tools -> Clear -> Cache in the MircoB browser .. :) |
| 21:17.35 | n800music | worked |
| 21:17.37 | n800music | ty |
| 21:17.47 | jott | it's not finished yet i suppose :O |
| 21:17.55 | jott | hope all dependencies are in the repos ;) |
| 21:18.13 | jott | hm really straight forward this .install stuff as it seems |
| 21:18.32 | pupnik | you must set the mimetype |
| 21:18.53 | n800music | is the path ok? |
| 21:19.24 | jott | pupnik: yeah already done ;) |
| 21:19.31 | n800music | i got an error at the end about the path to the file seems |
| 21:19.48 | jott | hmm.. what exactly? |
| 21:20.01 | n800music | one second |
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| 21:21.10 | n800music | failed catalog |
| 21:21.55 | n800music | the path/to the packages.gz is 404 |
| 21:22.02 | jott | hu? |
| 21:22.31 | jott | hmmm |
| 21:22.35 | n800music | here's the path: |
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| 21:23.17 | Tama^2 | Hello folks |
| 21:23.22 | jott | hello |
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| 21:24.42 | n800music | http://sse2.net/shism/dists/chinook/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 21:25.04 | jott | arg.. i messied a "c" somewhere.. why did it work for me :/ |
| 21:25.20 | n800music | no that's me |
| 21:25.28 | jott | ah.. ok |
| 21:25.54 | jott | ah ... i see.. still strange that it worked for me.. |
| 21:25.55 | jott | just a sec |
| 21:27.53 | jott | n800music: ok ..try again.. :) |
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| 21:30.06 | n800music | if ths works you should totally post it |
| 21:30.22 | n800music | it'll spur some interest |
| 21:30.55 | jott | yeah.. i'll might have to fix the .desktop file first.. :) |
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| 21:33.29 | pupnik | erghafhaoshfaoshfaosh |
| 21:33.52 | n800music | installed! |
| 21:33.58 | n800music | running |
| 21:34.02 | jott | ah nice |
| 21:34.19 | n800music | keymap is off so i can't do anything |
| 21:34.31 | n800music | but still kickass |
| 21:34.33 | jott | the hardware buttons should work |
| 21:34.35 | pupnik | try xkbd and not fullscreen |
| 21:34.41 | jott | press back for example |
| 21:35.04 | jott | the fullscreen button should start playing |
| 21:35.23 | jott | and zoom out stop ;) |
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| 21:36.31 | jott | still you can download http://alanator.com/music/oldskool/2nd_pm.s3m for example and play it :) |
| 21:36.55 | Tama^2 | lol I remember that song |
| 21:37.07 | Tama^2 | *enters |
| 21:40.12 | pupnik | good sounds but very overused orchestra stab now :) |
| 21:40.32 | pupnik | oh it's from the unreal demo |
| 21:40.55 | jott | second reality :) |
| 21:41.07 | n800music | sweet |
| 21:41.22 | n800music | i gotta split, thanks a mil |
| 21:41.27 | pupnik | those guys were great - i think some of them went on to program Max Payne |
| 21:41.33 | pupnik | cheers n800music |
| 21:41.34 | jott | n800music: have fun :) |
| 21:41.46 | jott | and zoom out is start play :) |
| 21:41.49 | jott | ok.. |
| 21:41.55 | jott | erm zoom in |
| 21:41.58 | jott | anyway :) |
| 21:43.35 | jott | hehe maybe a bunch of chiptunes ;) |
| 21:44.33 | pupnik | it has a .sid player? |
| 21:44.46 | pupnik | forbidden forest theme is nice |
| 21:45.27 | jott | uuuhm no but chiptunes can also be in .mod format ;) |
| 21:45.36 | pupnik | oh ok |
| 21:46.03 | jott | so the <10kb ones or so.. dunno what the size limit was .. |
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| 21:46.41 | pupnik | interesting idea. using simple waveforms in mods and translating the control information to .mod format |
| 21:47.19 | jott | http://www.chiptunes.org/files/ |
| 21:48.14 | jott | i guess ~30k was the limit |
| 21:48.24 | jott | but most are ~10k ;) |
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| 22:12.40 | jga23 | is there any way to install xterm in scratchbox? |
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| 22:18.47 | esworp | B u r p. |
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| 22:21.21 | inz | jga, you'll most likely need to compile it for i386 |
| 22:25.15 | Navi | I had a dream during my nap |
| 22:25.47 | Navi | I dreamed that I found an N800 in my cabinet and then I was like ZOMGLOLWTF? |
| 22:26.04 | Navi | So I went straight to my PC and loaded mypaint |
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| 22:26.22 | Navi | After that, I woke up and screamed "damn it!" 'cuz it was a dream. |
| 22:26.30 | Navi | True story. |
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| 22:38.18 | pupnik | good Navi |
| 22:38.33 | pupnik | we need more tablet radicals :) |
| 22:39.00 | pupnik | someone will be contacting you soon |
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| 22:42.59 | rm_you | Hanz Zimmer's score to The Rock is some of the most EPIC music I've ever heard <_< |
| 22:43.07 | rm_you | <3 |
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| 22:47.11 | reverendnathan | Hey guys, I'm going on a trip soon... quick question: is my 770 optimal enough to play a movie for the 2 hour flight? I'm guess Canola and using DiVx to reduce the video to a proper setting will do it? |
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| 22:48.21 | spirytusick | hello :) |
| 22:48.47 | rm_you | reverendnathan: i would try just pure mplayer.... |
| 22:49.03 | rm_you | reverendnathan: and i *think* it should have just enough power |
| 22:49.33 | rm_you | well, a little more than enough, if you put it in offline mode and havent used it much yet since unplugging it |
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| 22:50.31 | rm_you | also, just be sensible... like don't have the brightness at 100% :P |
| 22:50.57 | rm_you | i think i've managed to get something like 4 hours of video out of my n800 without it entirely dying |
| 22:51.10 | reverendnathan | rm_you: Cool. If not, my cell can handle it. Gotta get some more memory to hold the movie though! Good luck finding MMC, am I right? |
| 22:51.31 | rm_you | heh, is that what your phone uses? |
| 22:51.47 | rm_you | or... what does the 770 use, exactly? i always just assumed it used SD as well |
| 22:52.21 | reverendnathan | Lemme see, it's not SD unfort |
| 22:52.24 | Juhaz | 770 uses rs-mmc |
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| 22:52.35 | rm_you | yeah, no idea <_< |
| 22:52.37 | Juhaz | aka mmcmobile |
| 22:52.50 | rm_you | i love my n800 because it uses two nice full SDHC cards :P |
| 22:52.54 | reverendnathan | MultiMediaCard |
| 22:52.56 | rm_you | the n810 is lame in comparison <_< |
| 22:53.13 | reverendnathan | It looks like SD if SD was flipped sideways and has a lot of connectors |
| 22:53.17 | rm_you | dunno who the hell had the bright idea to downsize it to a single MiniSD |
| 22:53.28 | t_s_o | hmm, for whatever reason, canola have become a dependency for some lib packages. debs getting confused, or something worse? |
| 22:54.33 | rm_you | damnit... my n800 is getting on my nerves, because it keeps just SHUTTING OFF |
| 22:54.40 | reverendnathan | 64 MB RS-MMC memory card |
| 22:54.41 | rm_you | not rebooting... just powering completely off |
| 22:54.50 | reverendnathan | Going to assume RS-MMC = MMCPlus? |
| 22:54.58 | rm_you | never when i'm using it... just while it's in my pocket |
| 22:55.05 | rm_you | and only since os2008 |
| 22:55.06 | reverendnathan | Hopefully? Because I'm going to buy bigger memory for this motha |
| 22:55.39 | jku | rm_you, the single card is probably because of swap |
| 22:55.58 | jku | they want to make sure the swap card can't be removed... |
| 22:56.09 | rm_you | ok, that's semi-understandable then... |
| 22:56.15 | rm_you | but why miniSD? >_< |
| 22:56.52 | rm_you | takes what could be a 16G or soon 32G card slot, and makes it into a 4G maximum / hard to find / uncompatible with everything else card |
| 22:57.16 | jku | I know very little of cards -- what should it have been? |
| 22:57.21 | t_s_o | gotta love the cli, apt-get had no problems removing canola... |
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| 22:57.31 | rm_you | jku: standard SD again |
| 22:57.56 | jku | I've heard N810 is very, very tightly packed |
| 22:58.02 | rm_you | i like the idea of GPS builtin, and a hardware keyboard... |
| 22:58.11 | jku | so maybe it was a size problem |
| 22:58.15 | rm_you | but the downgrade to miniSD means I would *never* buy or recommend one to anyone |
| 22:58.24 | pupnik | ok i got maybe 5% more speed tonight |
| 22:59.08 | rm_you | and 100% of the friends i've tried to make buy a Maemo device agree that if they were going to buy one, it would be the n800 over the n810 primarily because of the SD >_> |
| 22:59.09 | elb | how is minisd a downgrade from sd? |
| 22:59.23 | pupnik | there was no space for full sd, rm_you |
| 22:59.29 | jku | rm_you, why is it that important? |
| 22:59.37 | rm_you | space.... |
| 22:59.43 | rm_you | <rm_you> takes what could be a 16G or soon 32G card slot, and makes it into a 4G maximum / hard to find / uncompatible with everything else card |
| 22:59.54 | wwp | miniSD are expensive and not well spread |
| 23:00.05 | wwp | the choices of miniSD cards is weak |
| 23:00.10 | pupnik | my 4GB minisd was 21 euro |
| 23:00.15 | wwp | best is to buy a microSD w/ an adapter |
| 23:00.22 | rm_you | my 4g SD was like 10Euro |
| 23:00.23 | elb | 4GB minisd cards are $25 |
| 23:00.28 | elb | that doesn't seem unreasonable to me |
| 23:00.30 | ssvb | reverendnathan: RS-MMC = MMCMobile (or to be more precise, MMCMobile is a faster, dual voltage version of RS-MMC) |
| 23:00.40 | rm_you | wwp: agree... microsd = win |
| 23:00.46 | rm_you | but they also have a much smaller maximum size |
| 23:00.46 | wwp | elb: in .fr, miniSD prices are way more expensive |
| 23:00.57 | wwp | compared to micro and normal SD |
| 23:01.06 | elb | don't blame the technology, blame the socialist economy ;-) |
| 23:01.12 | rm_you | you can RIGHT NOW buy a 16Gb SD card |
| 23:01.20 | rm_you | micro caps at 4Gb, from what i've seen |
| 23:01.24 | wwp | you'll find 2 miniSD ones for 10 micro or normal ones. of course, at expensive prices and won't find high speeds or capacities |
| 23:01.25 | elb | mini- and microsd will catch up to SD |
| 23:01.26 | rm_you | and SD will soon be at 32 |
| 23:01.37 | wwp | microSD -> 8GB |
| 23:01.43 | elb | frankly, I haven't seen any reason to augment the built-in storage in my 810 |
| 23:02.01 | rm_you | elb: what do you use your device for? |
| 23:02.02 | wwp | the miniSD choise is an error to me. normal or micro was way more pertinent |
| 23:02.11 | jku | elb, agreed. Not everyone has the same requirements |
| 23:02.13 | wwp | same for the USB plug format, stupid (or commercial) |
| 23:02.14 | rm_you | the MaemoMapper database in my n800 takes up 1Gb by itself |
| 23:02.20 | elb | rm_you: mostly reading documents and keeping a schedule/notes, so far |
| 23:02.31 | elb | maemo mapper isn't anywhere near that large, on mine |
| 23:02.38 | elb | but I didn't try to map the entire continent |
| 23:02.47 | reverendnathan | ssvb: This stuff isn't cheap! Cheapest I found : http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-2gb-mmcmobile/q/loc/101/202807841.html ($32! for 2GB) |
| 23:02.49 | rm_you | I need to have most of two large cities and the area between |
| 23:02.56 | jku | elb: just one city can fill a card... |
| 23:02.56 | wwp | about the USB plug, there are already 2 very common USB formats of this size. there were no use to create a new one, w/ quite no cable that fit |
| 23:03.27 | wwp | the USB plug format and miniSD format choices only reveal some commercial purposes |
| 23:03.37 | wwp | not any pertinent technical ones |
| 23:03.40 | jku | wwp, like? |
| 23:03.54 | wwp | like what? |
| 23:03.59 | wwp | what like? |
| 23:04.19 | jku | I'm wondering what you mean by "commercial purposes" |
| 23:04.32 | jku | just that it makes economical sense to Nokia? |
| 23:04.35 | elb | wwp: they didn't "create a new one" |
| 23:04.36 | wwp | good question. ways to control specific cable prices? |
| 23:04.42 | elb | wwp: you realize that the plug on the 810 is standard, right? |
| 23:04.54 | wwp | elb: no, right, they didn't create a new one, they just make use of the most uncommon one ;) |
| 23:05.01 | elb | and that it serves a functionality which is different from the other small plugs |
| 23:05.04 | wwp | whereas similar very popular ones were available |
| 23:05.14 | elb | there's an *extra pin* compared to those "very popular ones" |
| 23:05.23 | elb | and that extra pin allows you to do things that the "very popular ones" can't do |
| 23:05.26 | wwp | what functionality? bind pin 4 and 5? |
| 23:05.31 | wwp | tss |
| 23:05.44 | elb | USB OTG requires those pins, yes |
| 23:05.53 | elb | it's not just about "bind pin 4 and 5" |
| 23:05.54 | wwp | you can find other plugs w/ OTG |
| 23:06.08 | wwp | google a bit! |
| 23:06.17 | elb | devices which are *only* compatible with either host or client mode, yes |
| 23:06.24 | wwp | ;) |
| 23:06.29 | elb | but devices which can do both require the extra pin |
| 23:06.35 | wwp | yes |
| 23:06.38 | wwp | right! |
| 23:06.39 | esworp | So, what is usb to go? |
| 23:06.40 | elb | "google a bit!" |
| 23:07.00 | ssvb | reverendnathan: unfortunately Nokia 770 does not support cheap SD cards, Kingston 2GB MMCMobile is probably the best choice for this device |
| 23:07.04 | elb | esworp: it's a standard which allows devices to act either as a host or a device, depending on what they're plugged in to |
| 23:07.16 | jku | that explains it and makes sense with the card issue: you can now use usb sticks to store stuff... |
| 23:07.22 | elb | esworp: e.g., the n810 is a host when you plug it into a keyboard, and a device when you plug it into your computer |
| 23:07.25 | pupnik | 38363 7.3391 no-vmlinux (no symbols) <<< what is that? the virtual memory of the itos kernel? |
| 23:08.40 | pupnik | oh duh nevermind |
| 23:08.47 | pupnik | i'd need a kernel with debugging symbols |
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| 23:10.52 | pupnik | if only dosbox didn't segfault when i run -fprofile-generate :( |
| 23:13.13 | hachi | anyone know if a screen protector for the 800 will fit on an 810? |
| 23:13.31 | hachi | I don't know if they have the same exact screen or not... I would assume so normally |
| 23:15.10 | pupnik | the screen on n810 is smaller than 770 |
| 23:15.21 | pupnik | don't know about vs. n800 |
| 23:16.20 | jku | pupnik, are you sure? They all look the same to me... |
| 23:16.40 | pupnik | i have both here and 770 is larger by perhaps 2-3 mm |
| 23:17.05 | jku | which direction? |
| 23:17.15 | pupnik | horiz |
| 23:17.37 | pupnik | vert maybe 2 mm or so |
| 23:18.06 | jku | oh, right. had to turn them on to see it |
| 23:18.57 | hachi | if you have an 800 there, can you tell me the horizontal dimension of the display? |
| 23:19.17 | hachi | my 810 is exactly 90mm |
| 23:19.56 | hachi | x 53mm, vertical |
| 23:21.30 | jku | hachi, I don't have really good measuring tools |
| 23:21.45 | jku | but yeah they can't be more than 1mm different |
| 23:23.01 | hachi | so many sites list the size of the display in inches, and the size of the device in mm horizontal and vertical |
| 23:23.04 | hachi | gah |
| 23:23.17 | jku | pupnik, even the difference to 770 is only maybe 1 mm to each direction, when I actually try to measure |
| 23:23.44 | jku | maybe 2 |
| 23:23.55 | hachi | 800 is 4.1" |
| 23:23.59 | hachi | 770 is 4.13" |
| 23:24.54 | hachi | does anyone ever replace screen protectors? |
| 23:25.04 | hachi | I'm debating buying one or three :\ |
| 23:26.47 | jku | 0.03" = 0.76 mm, so not much to each direction (of course specs and reality do not always meet) |
| 23:27.17 | hachi | yeah :) |
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| 23:30.49 | pupnik | anybody here done gcc tests with funroll-loops / funroll-all-loops? |
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| 23:41.12 | jku | whoa, xomap xrandr: http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39 |
| 23:41.56 | jku | rotated by the lcd controller so should be plenty fast |
| 23:42.31 | hachi | nice job |
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| 23:46.55 | pupnik | http://www.arm.com/support/faqdev/1228.html useful info on alignment on ARM and packed structures |
| 23:48.42 | pupnik | cool jku |
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