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| 00:18.14 | Navi | Aw, no libvorbis? |
| 00:18.56 | Null-P | I just compiled "Crawl" (rogue-like) for n810. it runs but crashes/exits after a few seconds |
| 00:19.01 | Null-P | is GDB the best tool to debug this? |
| 00:19.11 | Null-P | (I'm not well versed in linux dev) |
| 00:19.57 | Null-P | *sigh* i miss visual studio |
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| 00:20.32 | ssvb | Null-P: execute "echo 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment" as root, and try to run crawl again |
| 00:20.48 | Null-P | interesting, ok |
| 00:21.13 | Navi | :P |
| 00:22.03 | ssvb | Null-P: if crawl has unaligned memory accesses, they will be fixed at runtime and reported in dmesg log |
| 00:22.34 | Null-P | sh: /proc/cpu/alignment: No such file or directory |
| 00:22.43 | Null-P | (this is in a VMware shell, BTW) |
| 00:22.48 | Null-P | not on the actual device |
| 00:22.53 | Null-P | though, I could try that as well |
| 00:24.47 | ssvb | Null-P: what's VMware shell? are you not attempting to run crawl on N810? |
| 00:25.17 | Null-P | I'm running Linux in a Virtual Machine on Windows. Works quite well actually |
| 00:25.22 | Null-P | I built crawl there |
| 00:26.06 | Null-P | someone created a free/legal maemo environment for the free VMPlayer. it's pretty much plug & play |
| 00:26.13 | ssvb | in any case, the most interesting information for you is getting stack backtrace |
| 00:26.33 | Null-P | yeah, I need to catch it at the moment it crashes |
| 00:26.41 | ssvb | run "gdb crawl" or whatever the executable name is |
| 00:27.03 | Null-P | ok, I've run it under gdb. how can I catch the termination? |
| 00:27.06 | ssvb | then type "r" gdb command |
| 00:27.11 | Null-P | ok |
| 00:27.19 | ssvb | after the game crashes, type "bt" |
| 00:27.53 | Null-P | no dice. " |
| 00:28.04 | Null-P | "Program exited with code 0377" |
| 00:28.08 | Null-P | bt says "no stack" |
| 00:28.12 | Null-P | it's already dead & gone |
| 00:28.26 | ssvb | you will get a stack backtrace, but the game should be compiled with debug information |
| 00:28.39 | Null-P | I compiled debug. I'll do it agian to be sure. |
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| 00:30.17 | Null-P | yeah, same thing. maybe the makefile is screwed up? it does have a "debug:" section |
| 00:31.34 | Null-P | breaking in shows no symbols loaded either. not a good sign |
| 00:37.59 | ssvb | Null-P: if gdb reports that the program exited, it may have really exited for whatever reason and not crashed |
| 00:38.26 | Null-P | ah, that could make sens |
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| 00:42.17 | ssvb | Null-P: you can try to set breakpoint on 'exit' function ("b exit" gdb command) and get backtrace if/when this function is reached |
| 00:42.27 | Null-P | ahh, lemme try that |
| 00:42.36 | fysa | aha slick. |
| 00:42.46 | fysa | synergy + KDE = see the mouse ;) |
| 00:43.16 | Null-P | grr, i have no symbols loaded it seems. "function "exit" not defined" |
| 00:43.29 | Null-P | is it a .sym file in linux? |
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| 00:45.40 | lcuk | hmmmmmmm gps has let us down :( missus could not use it whilst out on trip and is unhappy |
| 00:46.09 | ssvb | Null-P: just make sure that "-g" option is passed to gcc when compiling and linking program, you may need to modify makefile |
| 00:46.10 | fysa | pupnik: you see that? |
| 00:46.39 | fysa | pupnik: using penguinbait's KDE deb and updated mouse cursor, this installs/runs/works with full mouse/keyboard - https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=284&release_id=700 |
| 00:46.52 | fysa | so you can use your N800/N810 'dual head' |
| 00:46.52 | Null-P | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.19 | fysa | and then X11 forward firefox to it :) |
| 00:48.34 | pupnik | hail ssvb. have you perhaps someday a tiny sdl demo to illustrate fast rgb565 blitting? |
| 00:49.12 | pupnik | fysa: i will look thanks |
| 00:53.01 | ssvb | pupnik: hi, rgb565 blitting will be slower than yuv420 blitting (16-bits per pixel vs. 12-bit per pixel) |
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| 00:54.05 | ssvb | pupnik: direct framebuffer access is faster, but it can cause "garbage on screen" problem when switching between applications |
| 00:55.02 | pupnik | yes but user will be forbidden from this |
| 00:55.27 | pupnik | ssvb, but it would be much work to convert SDL buffers to yuv420, no? |
| 00:55.51 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, it will |
| 00:56.56 | ssvb | pupnik: but there are special cases (grayscale, or 256 color paletted image) when converting to yuv420 is quite fast |
| 00:57.34 | ssvb | pupnik: AFAIK quake2 port uses YUV overlay, there is a thread on ITT |
| 00:57.45 | pupnik | ssvb: this is straight sdl @ 800x480... http://pupnik.de/newvox try it |
| 00:57.50 | pupnik | yes |
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| 00:57.58 | monarch | hello all |
| 00:58.01 | pupnik | i will look into it for the 256 color case |
| 00:58.28 | monarch | just got a new 4Gb card for my n810 |
| 00:58.37 | monarch | is it supposed to click in or something |
| 00:58.45 | Null-P | yes |
| 00:58.54 | Null-P | you hae ot push it fairly far into the device |
| 00:58.59 | Null-P | 1/3 inch maybe |
| 00:59.54 | |tbb| | anyone knows if and how its possible to save streams which are playing by vagalume player (on tablet)? |
| 01:00.01 | monarch | i was afraid of that, my big fingers aren't making it easy |
| 01:00.40 | ssvb | pupnik: looks nice, are you trying to make it faster? |
| 01:00.43 | monarch | ok, thanks got it |
| 01:01.07 | pupnik | ssvb yes! |
| 01:01.23 | pupnik | the pixel doubled version runs 65 fps but i like full 800x480 |
| 01:02.44 | Null-P | which header contains strlen()? string.h? |
| 01:02.45 | pupnik | so i look into pipeline's tricks |
| 01:03.10 | pupnik | you can grep -ri /usr/include in scratchbox for whatever strings you need |
| 01:03.25 | Null-P | okay. thanks. |
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| 01:06.13 | ssvb | pupnik: have you tried to use oprofile by the way? |
| 01:06.59 | pupnik | not yet, :/ have you? |
| 01:07.42 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, it works great, and is quite easy to set up |
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| 01:09.02 | Null-P | holy crap, Crawl works! |
| 01:09.03 | pupnik | i got -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use to work apparently, |
| 01:09.11 | pupnik | not sure about any benefits |
| 01:09.23 | Null-P | at least in x86 it does.. |
| 01:10.12 | ssvb | Null-P: what was the problem? |
| 01:10.41 | Null-P | I"m not fully sure. I found a different make file - was using .lnx, used .bsd. |
| 01:10.53 | Null-P | didn't compile clean but just needed a few small bug fixes to make it compile |
| 01:11.18 | ssvb | pupnik: gcc shoul be able to generate better code with profile guided optimizations, at least theoretically |
| 01:12.49 | ssvb | pupnik: anyway, information about installing oprofile can be found here: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile/ (it provides very nice and detailed statistics, useful when deciding what needs to be optimized) |
| 01:12.54 | Null-P | things like "Strlen() not defined" and "NULL" having no value. |
| 01:13.21 | Null-P | we use PGO on Xbox and it helps a ton in many cases |
| 01:16.18 | pupnik | ok ty |
| 01:22.39 | ssvb | pupnik: ~20fps may be a realistic performance for 800x480 rgb565 mode, when using yuv420 color format, it can become 1/3 faster, reducing resolution also helps |
| 01:23.21 | Null-P | what's the recommended filesystem for a 4gb MiniSD? just plain old Fat32? |
| 01:23.39 | pupnik | ssvb yeah i'm kind of surprised that newvox gets ~ 22fps |
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| 01:33.40 | Null-P | later guys, thanks for the help |
| 01:35.14 | ssvb | pupnik: do you have newvox sources with 800x480 resolution and FPS counter? |
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| 01:47.38 | Navi | Huh, I can't get sound to work off of the Maemo SDK |
| 01:49.27 | |tbb| | gnite all |
| 01:49.32 | Navi | night |
| 01:50.56 | Navi | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 02:10.11 | Navi | Fixed it. |
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| 02:23.12 | leif__ | anyone else seeing nothing but a login page at http://maemo.org/ |
| 02:23.12 | leif__ | ? |
| 02:23.56 | leif__ | nevermind, it works again now |
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| 02:37.32 | pupnik | Navi you have sound from maemo SDk? since when is that possible? |
| 02:38.09 | Navi | It's not possible? |
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| 02:42.24 | goat|work | is there a specific channel for general usage questions about the n800, or can I ask in here? |
| 02:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | This is it. |
| 02:42.49 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, liar. |
| 02:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | No lies. |
| 02:43.04 | goat|work | I'm updating a bunch of packages, is there an equivelent to apt-get upgrade |
| 02:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | This is the everything-maemo-ITOS-NIT IRC channel. |
| 02:43.19 | goat|work | cause it seems that I have to update everything individually |
| 02:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get upgrade |
| 02:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | Do it in xterm. |
| 02:43.32 | Navi | Well, you could ^^ |
| 02:43.33 | goat|work | yeah? nice |
| 02:43.40 | goat|work | thanks much |
| 02:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 02:43.48 | Navi | I can't keep up with GeneralAntilles's awesome fast typing speed |
| 02:44.03 | pupnik | i wouldn't apt-get upgrade unless i knew it were safe |
| 02:44.42 | goat|work | so its not generally a good idea to upgrade the packages to latest? |
| 02:45.08 | pupnik | let's just say it has been a problem in the past. i don't know what your OS is, and what the safety level is. |
| 02:45.32 | Navi | breakage iz teh hax |
| 02:45.33 | goat|work | i c, its OS2007 for now |
| 02:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | First step is to flash OS2008. :P |
| 02:47.03 | Navi | pupnik, Well, I built and ran an SDL app, sound works in there. I assume it's just using my system's alsa :P |
| 02:47.22 | goat|work | heh, ok... thanks again folks |
| 02:47.29 | pupnik | cool. what SDK are you running Navi? and what sdl app? |
| 02:47.45 | Navi | Maemo SDK, the regular one. Blobwars |
| 02:48.07 | pupnik | gregale, bora or chinnok? vmware image or native install? |
| 02:48.46 | Navi | chinook |
| 02:48.50 | Navi | native install |
| 02:48.53 | pupnik | scratchbox i386 or arm? |
| 02:48.58 | Navi | i386 |
| 02:49.05 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 02:49.41 | pupnik | i'd like to try it here, ty |
| 02:49.46 | Navi | Ah :D |
| 02:49.54 | goat|work | sudo password by default? |
| 02:50.11 | Navi | I don't think you need it |
| 02:50.27 | goat|work | apt-get upgrade requires root level |
| 02:50.33 | goat|work | and its asking for a sudo password |
| 02:50.40 | goat|work | <blank> didn't work |
| 02:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | rootme |
| 02:51.11 | goat|work | oh, thats a package right? |
| 02:51.22 | elb | that's the default root password |
| 02:51.34 | goat|work | ohh, hahah |
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| 02:53.24 | Navi | maemo doesn't have a windows-native sdk? |
| 02:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 02:58.00 | fysa | X11 forwarding Firefox via wifi LAN is surprisingly resposnive. |
| 02:58.05 | fysa | responsive. |
| 02:58.24 | fysa | faster than the built-in browser anyway.. |
| 02:59.20 | Navi | X11 forwarding is great. |
| 02:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | I was building it from fink the other day to try it out. |
| 02:59.28 | pupnik | do you do that over ssh? |
| 02:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | Too many deps. :< |
| 02:59.33 | Navi | pupnik, yes |
| 03:00.13 | Navi | Beats the other solutions |
| 03:00.54 | fysa | I have an icon on my N800 KDE desktop called "Firefox" |
| 03:01.00 | fysa | that executes: |
| 03:01.00 | fysa | killall synergyc;synergyc --name banana 192.168.1.20;ssh -X jfisher@192.168.1.11 firefox |
| 03:01.12 | Navi | :) |
| 03:01.40 | fysa | I'd like to run my IM/IRC client only off of the N800 |
| 03:01.49 | fysa | and gmail/greader |
| 03:02.17 | Navi | The only place I run my IM/IRC client is at home |
| 03:02.18 | fysa | and now I get to use grabanddrag extension for kinetic scrolling.. |
| 03:03.13 | fysa | I use znc + bitlbee to get multi-client-single-session IRC+IM (usually x-chat) on all of my machines.. |
| 03:03.27 | fysa | so I can start a conversation somewhere and continue it elsewhere without the other party knowing.. |
| 03:03.33 | Navi | weechat+bitlbee and ssh around |
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| 03:03.46 | fysa | I used to use weechat.. |
| 03:03.50 | fysa | until I found znc :) |
| 03:04.00 | fysa | then I can use weechat and/or any local (i.e., usable with touch) client |
| 03:04.02 | Navi | screen+weechat+bitlbee |
| 03:04.08 | elb | yeah, I use finch+screen |
| 03:04.10 | fysa | right. which is lovely.. |
| 03:04.11 | fysa | but.. |
| 03:04.16 | elb | but the n810 terminal is kind of poop for that |
| 03:04.17 | fysa | if you screen+weechat with multi machines |
| 03:04.26 | fysa | you are stuck with a weechat of a certain size.. |
| 03:04.30 | fysa | that has to be appropriate for all devices |
| 03:04.40 | Navi | at the same time? |
| 03:04.41 | elb | since it doesn't have any mode (which I can find) that's 80x24/25 |
| 03:04.51 | Navi | I detach when I'm not around >_> |
| 03:04.59 | fysa | you can weechat+znc+bitlbee and use one weechat per device |
| 03:05.15 | fysa | and then each gets a proper-fitting client |
| 03:05.27 | fysa | I have a weechat running on the server.. |
| 03:05.51 | fysa | but I don't want to bother with detaching |
| 03:06.03 | fysa | and if I forget, I don't want to have to kill (or type) anything |
| 03:06.13 | fysa | once setup, this 'just works' |
| 03:06.24 | Navi | :P |
| 03:06.34 | fysa | znc stores buffers for you also, so when a new client connects to the same session, you get a history-- |
| 03:06.48 | fysa | your way is fine for what you do. it wasn't for me. |
| 03:07.21 | Navi | mmk. I'm stuck in my ways, I prefer to screen -rdA :) |
| 03:07.36 | fysa | I have IRC/IM on the HTPC in the living room, all machines here connected via synergy and the N800 and the laptop that I sometimes carry around.. |
| 03:07.45 | elb | screen -x is the only way to roll |
| 03:07.46 | fysa | see, if I had an N810 it may be different |
| 03:07.52 | Navi | -x is for l00zerz |
| 03:08.00 | Navi | fysa, how so? |
| 03:08.10 | fysa | because then xterm wouldn't be like pulling teeth. |
| 03:08.20 | elb | God created terminals at 80x24, so resizing is irrelevant |
| 03:08.45 | fysa | http://en.znc.in/wiki/index.php/ZNC |
| 03:08.46 | Navi | I have a bluetooth keyboard I got from a friend for dirt cheap, good stuff. |
| 03:08.55 | Navi | Yeah, I already looked it up |
| 03:09.09 | elb | xterm is pulling teeth on the 810, too |
| 03:09.10 | fysa | OK. |
| 03:09.18 | elb | there are some ... important ... keys which aren't on the keyboard |
| 03:09.21 | pupnik | thanks Navi i wanted to get into screen again - will remember rdA |
| 03:09.29 | elb | like, for example, | |
| 03:09.53 | Navi | pupnik, :D |
| 03:10.39 | pupnik | for a few years i feel like any time i read something, something else gets forgotten |
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| 03:12.39 | Navi | elb, what keyboard, a normal one? |
| 03:12.48 | Navi | or the poke keyboard? |
| 03:13.09 | elb | the n810 slide-out keyboard |
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| 03:14.46 | Navi | mmm |
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| 03:20.41 | K-Fox | ./ |
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| 03:24.28 | Navi | ./ |
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| 03:40.34 | Tama^2 | Hi |
| 03:41.31 | Navi | Hi |
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| 03:53.34 | goat|work | me again >.< my n800 /os2007 doesn't seem to turn on anymore after powering it on (battery is charged) is there a reset of some sort? |
| 03:55.43 | goat|work | nvm, i guess a little time off fixed it |
| 03:55.43 | Tama^2 | tried removing the battery for a while? |
| 03:56.43 | leif__ | goat|work, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2673 |
| 03:58.36 | Tama^2 | I wish I could see more dubug info in dmesg about mmc |
| 03:59.08 | goat|work | thanks leif__ |
| 03:59.48 | leif__ | Tama^2, http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/ |
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| 04:01.10 | Tama^2 | I know about that one leif but I am trying to put together reliable information to post a bug and I am afraid that using a custom kernel will invalidate my point |
| 04:02.12 | Tama^2 | in other words I fear the official devs will consider my information less reliable because I was not running the stock kernel |
| 04:02.34 | Tama^2 | I am trying to nail down a problem with excessive mmc power consumption when idle |
| 04:03.07 | leif__ | yeah it would be useful to build the kernel with just the debug patch, and not the highspeed |
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| 05:22.11 | Ant23il | hello everyone |
| 05:22.16 | johnx | hi |
| 05:23.08 | Ant23il | is this room where i can possibly get some help with my new n810? |
| 05:23.16 | johnx | sure, ask away :) |
| 05:23.54 | Ant23il | awesome. well first off youtube videos wont come up. says i need a newer version of flash |
| 05:24.02 | K-Fox | finally... for a week it did succeed to connect networking n800 <--> blackjack phone |
| 05:24.07 | K-Fox | wow |
| 05:24.50 | johnx | Ant23il, hmm...I haven't looked at youtube lately |
| 05:26.08 | Ant23il | ahh ok. well i have one other question. is it possible to pull files from a shared windows drive with this device? |
| 05:26.32 | johnx | yup...right now it only works if the share isn't password protected though |
| 05:26.50 | johnx | the shares should show up in file manager |
| 05:27.08 | Ant23il | harsh. not exactly safe heh |
| 05:27.30 | johnx | I guess it depends on who you let on your network |
| 05:28.11 | Ant23il | yea. more like trying to keep the wife out :) |
| 05:28.45 | Ant23il | well ty for your help. you gents have a nice night. thanks johnx |
| 05:28.51 | johnx | sure |
| 05:28.59 | johnx | let me see if I can find something about flash quick |
| 05:29.14 | johnx | or...nevermind |
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| 05:52.14 | rm_you|Ikkicon | johnx: lol? |
| 05:52.21 | johnx | hmm? |
| 05:52.48 | rm_you|Ikkicon | lol |
| 05:53.10 | rm_you|Ikkicon | just tell him to use UKTube from the UKMP project for youtube :P |
| 05:53.25 | johnx | does that still work? |
| 05:53.31 | rm_you|Ikkicon | i think so |
| 05:53.43 | johnx | I thought that it got broken by youtube changing their URLs |
| 05:53.48 | johnx | but I really wouldn't know... |
| 05:53.51 | rm_you|Ikkicon | i think he fixed it? |
| 05:53.53 | rm_you|Ikkicon | lemmie check |
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| 05:56.00 | rm_you|Ikkicon | wwell, A) the videos work on the youtube page for me |
| 05:56.18 | rm_you|Ikkicon | tho laggy as usual |
| 05:56.41 | johnx | I was going to help him but he logged off after I told him to hang on for a second |
| 05:56.48 | rm_you|Ikkicon | yeah... saw |
| 05:56.53 | johnx | so...meh |
| 05:57.04 | johnx | anyways, booted into debian on the N800 |
| 05:57.11 | johnx | tracking down sound issues |
| 05:57.18 | rm_you|Ikkicon | looks like you may be right though... uktube stuck on initializing download |
| 05:57.31 | rm_you|Ikkicon | johnx: ah, no sound yet? or just buggy |
| 05:57.40 | johnx | very close to sound |
| 05:57.45 | rm_you|Ikkicon | ? |
| 05:57.51 | johnx | alsamixer works, but device files for pcm aren't created |
| 05:58.11 | rm_you|Ikkicon | :( |
| 05:58.16 | johnx | should be easy |
| 05:58.26 | johnx | I got alsamixer working in about 20 minutes once I actually got around to it |
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| 06:13.32 | jga23 | is there any way to tell in python if I'm on maemo or linux? os.name is the same for both |
| 06:17.42 | johnx | I think vagalume must do it somehow |
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| 06:20.56 | elb | you could check for a non-empty OSSO_VERSION |
| 06:28.07 | Sargun | osso-xterm |
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| 06:31.37 | b2therizzo | hello all |
| 06:32.00 | Ant-X3 | hello |
| 06:32.08 | johnx | hi |
| 06:32.37 | Ant-X3 | hi again john |
| 06:34.24 | Ant-X3 | is there something special im supposed to do to access a shared folder in windows? |
| 06:34.57 | Ant-X3 | i can see the pc, but nothing inside the folder =/ |
| 06:35.25 | johnx | no idea :/ |
| 06:35.32 | johnx | it should "just work" |
| 06:36.31 | Ant-X3 | blarg. |
| 06:36.44 | t_s_o | hmm, could be some access right related issue. as in, is the shared folder passord protected or something? as i dont think the file manager has any login dialog |
| 06:38.20 | Ant-X3 | i removed all users from the shared permissions and added back access for everyone |
| 06:39.50 | t_s_o | firewall open? |
| 06:40.05 | johnx | t_s_o, it finds his computer though |
| 06:40.17 | t_s_o | indeed, silly question. sorry |
| 06:40.31 | johnx | np :) |
| 06:40.48 | Ant-X3 | yeppers turned the wall off for this =) |
| 06:41.25 | Ant-X3 | its ok. just assume i know nothing. im very new to linux. |
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| 06:42.34 | dragorn | it "just works" with my samba shares |
| 06:42.43 | dragorn | don't think i have any windows shares to test |
| 06:43.27 | t_s_o | seems to work ok here to, winxp at the moment |
| 06:43.30 | zoran | so, some kind of samba software should be added to the tablet |
| 06:43.41 | dragorn | samba is already on the tablet |
| 06:43.46 | t_s_o | if one use 08, there should be no need |
| 06:43.48 | dragorn | built into the file app |
| 06:44.17 | Ant-X3 | yes this is 08. new 810. just got it yesterday |
| 06:44.20 | zoran | maybe the prob is on teh server side? |
| 06:44.38 | t_s_o | zoran: i would not be surprised |
| 06:44.50 | t_s_o | Ant-X3: xp or vista on the pc? |
| 06:44.59 | Ant-X3 | xp pro |
| 06:45.01 | johnx | reboot everything you can find, including your fridge, dishwasher and your car |
| 06:45.10 | t_s_o | :P |
| 06:45.12 | zoran | I'm not win savvy, but some permissions have to be set, even on win |
| 06:45.34 | Ant-X3 | lol i can give that a shot. |
| 06:45.48 | zoran | not with hammer |
| 06:45.55 | Ant-X3 | im fairly sure i have the permissons right |
| 06:46.02 | t_s_o | after i opened up the firewall and started up sharing it works ok here, in simple mode that is... |
| 06:46.40 | zoran | Ant-X3, how do you connected those computers? |
| 06:46.57 | Ant-X3 | everything is through lan |
| 06:47.08 | zoran | n810 is via wifi? |
| 06:47.12 | Ant-X3 | yes |
| 06:47.17 | zoran | router? |
| 06:47.22 | Ant-X3 | also my other two laptops |
| 06:47.30 | Ant-X3 | yes router |
| 06:47.35 | zoran | do you have ip address on n810? |
| 06:47.56 | zoran | ifconfig |
| 06:48.07 | Ant-X3 | if or ip |
| 06:48.17 | zoran | ip is on win, as I recall |
| 06:49.19 | zoran | or simply clear all the cash on n810 |
| 06:49.42 | dragorn | you may need to allow anonymous browsing to get a list of shares |
| 06:49.46 | dragorn | (on the windows side) |
| 06:49.48 | Ant-X3 | ok how do i do that? sorry im a newb |
| 06:50.03 | Ant-X3 | the clear cache |
| 06:50.26 | zoran | how do you want to find the share files, browser? |
| 06:51.04 | Ant-X3 | i was trying to use file manager |
| 06:51.37 | Ant-X3 | everytime i tried to use the browser it would put http:// in front of the network ip i typed in |
| 06:52.37 | zoran | what is should be? smb? |
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| 06:53.37 | dragorn | zoran: os2008 file manager has smb browsing built in, that's what he's using. |
| 06:53.46 | zoran | k |
| 06:54.08 | dragorn | if it has any sort of a cache, i'd expect it to be cleared when you close file manager. If it isn't, i don't know of any way to clear it. |
| 06:54.27 | Ant-X3 | ok |
| 06:54.35 | zoran | in bsd world, I found samba-nmblookup to make a look at that share |
| 06:54.50 | dragorn | zoran: samba cli tools aren't in 2008 |
| 06:55.06 | zoran | heh |
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| 06:56.35 | zoran | what if all units are rebooted, turned off and then file server put to life first |
| 06:57.12 | Ant-X3 | ill give that a shot. i really appreciate the help guys. brb |
| 06:57.14 | zoran | btw, what file formats are on the share? |
| 06:57.14 | dragorn | if it's seeing the server in the shares list and can't browse the contents then it's an issue on windows with how it exports the shared directories to an anonymous browser. |
| 06:57.39 | dragorn | zoran: smb shares are smb/cifs format, the underlying filesystem is irrelevant, it's a meta-layer |
| 06:57.58 | zoran | dragorn, you think it needs software indentification? |
| 06:58.43 | zoran | like: "hey, I'm your win friend, let me in!" |
| 06:58.46 | dragorn | I don't know what you mean by "software authentication". Smb = Windows file sharing, and it has support for authentication and share announcement control, yes. |
| 06:59.09 | zoran | have to google for it now, must to say |
| 07:01.18 | zoran | another complaint on ITT |
| 07:01.40 | zoran | no files/folders as error message |
| 07:03.15 | zoran | mount -t cifs //server/directoryes -o user=user,password=pass ? |
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| 07:04.19 | dragorn | zoran: he's not using a cli samba. It's built into the file manager. |
| 07:04.27 | zoran | eh, on the same ITT it says that file manages does not supportauthentication for cifs |
| 07:04.39 | zoran | *manager |
| 07:04.50 | dragorn | hence, he needs to check his anonymous browsing permissions on windows :P |
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| 07:06.22 | zoran | dragorn, is it possible to have 2 Ant user connections at the same time? |
| 07:06.41 | dragorn | i don't know what an ant user is |
| 07:06.57 | Proteous | very very small 8 legged user |
| 07:06.57 | zoran | Ant-X3, from laptop and n810 |
| 07:07.05 | Ant-X3 | =/ still picks up the computer. no files though |
| 07:07.33 | zoran | Ant-X3, disconnect laptops from the share to see if it works then |
| 07:07.46 | dragorn | yes it's perfectly possible to have multiple users browsing the same share |
| 07:07.57 | zoran | with the same name? |
| 07:07.59 | dragorn | if you see the share and don't see files, it's a permissions issue on the share. |
| 07:08.02 | dragorn | Yes, of course. |
| 07:08.05 | Ant-X3 | im only on through the 810. only things on are the server and the 810 atm |
| 07:08.09 | Proteous | not to be confused with an aunt user, which is like a luser but is your fathers sister |
| 07:08.29 | dragorn | Proteous: clever. |
| 07:08.34 | Proteous | :P |
| 07:09.26 | zoran | ITT, maybe wrongly, says that only multimedia files could be shared that way. I doubt |
| 07:09.35 | dragorn | yup that's wrong |
| 07:10.34 | zoran | if fm has acces to smb/cifs, some libs are around. maybe they could be used the other way |
| 07:11.10 | zoran | something like sshfs |
| 07:11.28 | johnx | zoran, there's not reason you couldn't compile up smbnetfs for fuse |
| 07:11.35 | Ant-X3 | i did see a guide on maemo.org on how to install cifs and mount the share in xterm |
| 07:11.36 | zoran | patch to fuse |
| 07:12.04 | zoran | libs are there, since you user it |
| 07:12.09 | zoran | *use |
| 07:12.18 | dragorn | or install full samba. But none of that will play terribly nice with filemanager. Knock yourself out in xterm tho. |
| 07:12.20 | zoran | so, just front end is needed |
| 07:12.49 | zoran | Ant-X3, what is on that server? |
| 07:12.58 | dragorn | depending how smb is implemented, maybe. Maybe not. |
| 07:13.49 | Ant-X3 | what exactly are you needing to know? |
| 07:14.00 | zoran | what are file types on it? |
| 07:14.11 | dragorn | why do you think that has anything to do with his problem? |
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| 07:14.21 | Ant-X3 | mostly .avi and mp3. just media |
| 07:14.23 | dragorn | never mind. Have fun. |
| 07:14.25 | zoran | shoot in blank |
| 07:15.01 | johnx | Ant-X3, if you keep having problems with this a UPnP server for media files could be an alternate solution |
| 07:15.01 | zoran | k, maybe some logs could be found on win? |
| 07:15.43 | Ant-X3 | upnp. i havent set that up before, but im game for anything that will work |
| 07:16.22 | zoran | u c shared files from laptops? |
| 07:17.09 | Ant-X3 | yup |
| 07:21.53 | Ant-X3 | the laptops could access the share when it was passcoded |
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| 07:22.36 | zoran | ITT sais repeatedly that passworded shares are a no go |
| 07:22.50 | zoran | sadly |
| 07:22.54 | johnx | zoran, he knows that...he already changed that |
| 07:22.56 | Ant-X3 | maybe when i removed them and added the "everyone" group i screwed something up |
| 07:23.06 | Ant-X3 | yea i removed pw |
| 07:23.24 | johnx | Ant-X3, is there another way to do that, like "allow anonymous" or something? |
| 07:25.04 | zoran | maybe "guest" |
| 07:26.09 | Ant-X3 | i moved to the security function. i do see an option for "list folder contents" |
| 07:27.17 | zoran | xp or n810? |
| 07:27.37 | Ant-X3 | xp |
| 07:28.07 | Ant-X3 | stupid explorer crapped out >.< going to try again |
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| 07:28.50 | zoran | people let user option empty and set uid as user,guest |
| 07:29.03 | zoran | if possible on filemanager |
| 07:32.47 | zoran | smbfs and smbclient on maemo-hackers site |
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| 07:33.18 | zoran | ah, os2006, sorry |
| 07:34.26 | Ant-X3 | ahh well. ill have to play with this tomorrow. thanks for the help everyone. |
| 07:34.44 | zoran | hey, found a link to something insteresting! |
| 07:35.03 | zoran | cifs.ko from fanoush module archive |
| 07:35.53 | zoran | than smbfs package from cid armel repo |
| 07:36.11 | zoran | poster is gole on ITT, he said it worked for him |
| 07:36.21 | zoran | he see files in filemanager |
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| 07:41.17 | zoran | maybe the solution is this, if any1 interesting to read few line? |
| 07:41.47 | zoran | take fanoush cifs.ko module and load it |
| 07:41.55 | zoran | than mount from command like: |
| 07:42.02 | johnx | zoran, he left... |
| 07:42.19 | zoran | logs are around for him to read |
| 07:42.34 | zoran | k |
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| 07:47.14 | holla44 | where do I report a bug (feature request) for os2008 chat-ui? |
| 07:48.36 | johnx | bugs.maemo.org |
| 07:48.46 | holla44 | thanks |
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| 09:21.18 | [AD]Turbo | hi all |
| 09:27.20 | braddbr | hi |
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| 10:16.25 | pupnik | i'd like to profile fmopl some time |
| 10:16.29 | pupnik | and the rest of the sb code |
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| 11:33.35 | juke | hi |
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| 11:38.01 | K-Fox | what is application to play movie and mp3 together on n800 ? |
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| 11:57.03 | michele_ | ohh nice new cover selector in canola |
| 11:58.26 | K-Fox | cannola? |
| 11:58.49 | K-Fox | michele : what is application to play movie and mp3 together on n800 ? |
| 11:59.12 | K-Fox | on play list |
| 11:59.38 | michele_ | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ |
| 12:00.04 | K-Fox | canolar is possible? |
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| 12:01.05 | michele_ | K-Fox: look at the site and see if it's what you need |
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| 12:05.10 | lardman | morning all |
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| 12:07.48 | K-Fox | istalling canola 2 beta |
| 12:08.44 | michele_ | can I access the internet from inside scratchbox? |
| 12:08.49 | lardman | yes |
| 12:08.56 | lardman | you should be able to anyway ;) |
| 12:09.32 | michele_ | should it just work? because, you know, it doesn't :) |
| 12:10.04 | lardman | it should do yes, is it a dns problem? |
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| 12:11.46 | michele_ | yes, that was the problem, thank you lardman |
| 12:11.52 | lardman | np |
| 12:14.17 | michele_ | oh great... I wanted to debug a segfaul in modest, but in scratchbox it works fine :/ |
| 12:14.37 | michele_ | and I can't get it to dump core on the device |
| 12:15.53 | lardman | gdb on device? |
| 12:16.53 | michele_ | eh... I was trying to avoid it :) |
| 12:17.43 | lardman | oh well |
| 12:18.07 | djcb | michele_: if you find modest crashes, please file a bug |
| 12:18.18 | djcb | with as much detail as you can get about servers etc. |
| 12:18.33 | djcb | esp. test accounts are helpful, so we can reproduce |
| 12:19.00 | michele_ | hey djcb |
| 12:19.23 | michele_ | I don't think I can provide a test account, as it's my company mail server |
| 12:19.44 | michele_ | it's a kerio mail server |
| 12:20.04 | djcb | ok.... well, if we can reproduce it, it's probably easy to fix |
| 12:20.09 | djcb | if not |
| 12:20.17 | djcb | it gets a bit harder |
| 12:20.26 | michele_ | and I suspect it's due to its funky imap layout |
| 12:20.50 | michele_ | as I had to mess with prefixes in thunderbird too |
| 12:21.00 | djcb | well, modest shouldn't crash |
| 12:21.17 | jku | michele_, to get core dumps I think /media/mmcX/core-dumps/ needs to exist |
| 12:21.34 | michele_ | jku: really? let's try |
| 12:22.18 | jku | also, you might want to try sp-rich-core: http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
| 12:22.35 | jku | I have yet to try it, but it looks useful |
| 12:30.04 | michele_ | oh yes |
| 12:30.50 | michele_ | jku: you was right, the directory needs to be there |
| 12:32.44 | lardman | that's a useful thing to know, thanks |
| 12:36.29 | michele_ | uhm I wonder if I can use a core dump from the device to get a backtrace in scratchbox... |
| 12:36.50 | K-Fox | canola2 beta do not play automatically a next movie on movie part |
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| 13:11.10 | michele_ | lardman: about core dumps... http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html#debugcorefilesindevice |
| 13:19.39 | lardman | ah, I never bothered to read the latest one; thanks :) |
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| 14:11.50 | melmoth | I need libgdbm-dev to compile maemomapper from svn.Any idea where to get it from ? |
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| 14:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, haha. I'm ready (again) to just torch the place. |
| 14:35.49 | lardman | Google is running slowly again |
| 14:40.22 | lcuk_2 | hmmm |
| 14:40.24 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 14:44.25 | lcuk | 10 kBytes transfered, at 0 Bytes/s |
| 14:44.58 | johnx | let's see, carry the one, divide by zero and (segmentation fault) |
| 14:45.25 | lcuk | its in windows so its expected |
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| 14:54.11 | lardman | anyone got a link for a site about starting XWindows programming? I'd like to work out what to link my test program against |
| 14:54.51 | zuh | lardman: "XWindows"?-) |
| 14:55.08 | lardman | X |
| 14:55.29 | lardman | Xfree, Xorg, X11, all that sort of stuff :) |
| 14:55.35 | braddbr | what to link against? you mean -lX11 |
| 14:55.37 | braddbr | '? |
| 14:55.53 | lardman | yes, that's exactly it, do I only need to link against libX11? |
| 14:56.15 | lardman | for basic X functions that is |
| 14:56.24 | braddbr | if its just a simple xlib app.. if you use threads(lotsa probs wit X and threads) -lpthread |
| 14:56.43 | braddbr | yeah, just -lX11 if you're basically creating windows, drawing, etc |
| 14:56.58 | lardman | yep, very simple, creates a window then allows dsp to overwrite that area, then destroys window |
| 14:57.28 | braddbr | yeah, -lX11 should do it then |
| 14:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it doesn't? :P |
| 14:57.39 | lcuk | lard, any chance i could borrow that test (not interested in the dsp section) |
| 14:57.44 | lcuk | no, mine doesnt |
| 14:58.00 | lardman | lcuk: sure, you can take a look at it, not sure it will work mind you ;) |
| 14:58.44 | lcuk | thats ok, im just looking through the omapfb stuff at the mo and hitting a few dead ends, if i go through x at least i can follow the path |
| 14:59.14 | lardman | best bet is probably to follow svb's code from mplayer, that's what I've copied basically |
| 14:59.21 | lcuk | (it doesnt help that ive got youngest hovering around) |
| 14:59.23 | melmoth | GRumble. where can i find libgpsmgr-dev ? |
| 14:59.27 | lardman | file:///home/simon/development/DSP/test-framebuffer-scaler-colorspace-770/vo_nokia770.c.html |
| 14:59.38 | dragorn | melmoth: it's in the repos in the sdk for me |
| 14:59.45 | lardman | oops, not a proper link any more |
| 14:59.46 | lcuk | ive just been checking out the svn for mplayer but its failed about 4 times, and theres not much more i can do reading the websvn |
| 14:59.47 | braddbr | i can send my /x11/smg_x11.[cpp/h] file if you guys want it.. its c++, basically has window opening, surface getting stuff in it (and window breating / colormap stuff too) |
| 15:00.10 | melmoth | dragorn: hmmm, like..localy ? |
| 15:00.11 | braddbr | *creating |
| 15:00.12 | lardman | braddbr: would be interesting |
| 15:00.21 | dragorn | melmoth: no, but it was in one of the default repos in the sdk |
| 15:00.27 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libvo/vo_nokia770.c?root=mplayer&view=markup |
| 15:00.45 | braddbr | k, gimme a sec |
| 15:00.46 | melmoth | dragorn: apt-cache dont find it anymore here (chinook) |
| 15:00.50 | lcuk | braddbr, that sounds like a nice base |
| 15:01.14 | dragorn | melmoth: did for me, dunno what to tell you. I said "why the eff wasn't this in here already" and installed it, no real issues |
| 15:01.31 | jku | melmoth it's in the nokia binaries |
| 15:01.33 | lcuk | lard, ive been browsing that since yesterday i got device back and was wanting to get something together but damned tortoiseSVN keeps failing |
| 15:02.00 | jku | files should be in ~/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0/ |
| 15:02.16 | jku | and sources.list should find them there |
| 15:02.33 | lardman | lcuk: here's my first crack http://pastebin.ca/898687 |
| 15:02.39 | melmoth | ahhh, i think i....rmed this directory :) |
| 15:02.48 | melmoth | Any idea how to get it back easily ? |
| 15:02.52 | dragorn | that might do it :P |
| 15:03.08 | jku | melmoth, that's a mistake if you want to do anything with location on chinook... |
| 15:03.17 | melmoth | i just realised now. |
| 15:03.27 | dragorn | apt-cache seems annoyingly reticent to tell you what repo something comes from |
| 15:03.28 | melmoth | Will see if i got a backup copy |
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| 15:03.44 | melmoth | otherwise i ll just... reinstall (or dont try to play with maemomapper :) ) |
| 15:03.52 | jku | check the SDK install instructions, it should be easy |
| 15:05.05 | lcuk | lardman, thanks :) i notice you gave up ont he omapfb.h ;) |
| 15:05.17 | lcuk | it took a bit of searching to get it included in mine |
| 15:05.30 | lardman | lcuk: not sure I need it |
| 15:05.44 | lcuk | its got the direct refresh LCD call inside it |
| 15:05.44 | lardman | lcuk: I removed everything I didn't think I needed |
| 15:05.53 | lardman | lcuk: I'm doing that from the DSP |
| 15:06.02 | braddbr | anyone have a ftp site i can post the x11 stuff to? |
| 15:06.13 | lcuk | then its all good :) |
| 15:06.14 | lardman | braddbr: is it a single file? |
| 15:06.20 | lardman | braddbr: pastebin? |
| 15:06.40 | braddbr | well its the .h and the .cpp |
| 15:06.44 | braddbr | gimme a minute |
| 15:08.33 | lardman | lcuk: have to head out, let me know if it works or not (probably not :) ), I'll test it when I get back |
| 15:08.50 | lardman | braddbr: I'll grab your files when I get back too |
| 15:08.56 | braddbr | ok |
| 15:08.59 | lardman | bye |
| 15:09.02 | lcuk | alright, ill be playing around with it today |
| 15:09.06 | lcuk | thanks lard, cya later |
| 15:10.46 | melmoth | Ok, i think i got it http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.sh :) |
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| 15:14.13 | lcuk | braddbr, ive gotta make some dinner, but if you manage to get something up just let us know i will look in a few mins |
| 15:14.20 | braddbr | i will |
| 15:14.30 | lcuk_dinner | :) thx |
| 15:28.05 | lcuk_dinner | lardman|away, your example compiles and goes to black base screen after removing your /dev/dsptask/fbtest section. i added -lX11 to the library list to get it resolving :) |
| 15:31.06 | braddbr | well my code is too big to paste to pastbin but i made you's a simple window-opening pastebin http://pastebin.com/m29909750 |
| 15:32.30 | braddbr | my X stuff does work on my nokia, so let me know if you need more code snippets and i will be glad to paste |
| 15:37.58 | braddbr | (i havent learned how to integrate with hildon / gtk yet so don't ask me that :) ) |
| 15:40.03 | K-Fox | is it possible to install Opera Mini on n800? |
| 15:41.17 | lcuk_dinner | thankx braddbr i have downloaded and will look once i stop being bugged by all family for bits of me |
| 15:41.23 | braddbr | ok :) |
| 15:42.08 | pupnik | i know devs who could do great things with a n800 n810 |
| 15:42.42 | braddbr | my first app is coming along.. its a simple grid-like editor to make little images :) |
| 15:42.42 | K-Fox | opera mini is reduced greatly the data traffic |
| 15:44.52 | braddbr | what are you trying to do lcuk_dinner ? |
| 15:45.33 | johnx | K-Fox, no. opera mini only works on the version of java for mobile phones (JavaME?) as far as I understand |
| 15:47.43 | jeff1f | mowser.com will shrink web sites, but doesn't make them look as nice as opera mini |
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| 15:58.38 | lcuk_dinner | braddbr, just get the feel for x and the omapfb on 810. just starting |
| 15:58.50 | pupnik | braddbr: those are fun to make iconic gfx with - esp back in the low-color era |
| 15:59.23 | braddbr | yeah.. i had a headache learning about colormaps under X11.. pretty simple now tho |
| 15:59.36 | braddbr | what is omapfb, direct access to screen pixel-map? |
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| 16:03.59 | K-Fox | johnx: ok~~~ |
| 16:08.04 | Hallin | I read something about native GCC in Maemon, anyone got any details? |
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| 16:13.46 | pupnik | native's free-pee pees and mammaries? |
| 16:14.53 | braddbr | Hallin, you maean a gcc compiler for maemo arm? |
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| 16:22.27 | braddbr_ | sorry, d/c |
| 16:23.15 | Hallin | braddbr_: Yes, correct. |
| 16:23.22 | Hallin | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/02/08/native-gcc-on-the-n810/ |
| 16:23.48 | Jaffa | Hallin: it's just repository.maemo.org, i.e. SDK packages on the device itself |
| 16:26.51 | Hallin | Aha, I see. |
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| 16:29.20 | pupnik | You are advised to learn how to use scratchbox to develop for the tablets. |
| 16:30.05 | Hallin | Already using scratchbox, gcc on the device itself could be fun, though. |
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| 16:42.02 | Zmiko | hey, is the keyboard on the n810 worth the extra price over the n800 |
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| 16:42.21 | dragorn | imho, yes. Or more accurately, not having the onscreen KB using up half the screen is. |
| 16:42.52 | Zmiko | ya, I agree it's better, but I'm trying to decide if it's $200 better |
| 16:43.06 | dragorn | also gps, though the gps is kind of crap |
| 16:43.18 | dragorn | That I can't tell you :P |
| 16:43.25 | dragorn | For me, it's worlds better than the 800 |
| 16:43.37 | Zmiko | you've had both? |
| 16:43.44 | dragorn | I've had all three |
| 16:44.00 | Zmiko | i see |
| 16:44.16 | dragorn | I never liked the design of the 800. the 810 still has some quirks, but it's much more useful to me than the 800 ever was |
| 16:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | My personal recommendation is to save the cash and get the N800. |
| 16:44.43 | dragorn | others have other opinions. You could also get a small BT keyboard, and use that, so long as you don't need to type any passwords |
| 16:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | But I can't say that I've used the N810 for more than 10 minutes. |
| 16:44.47 | dragorn | passwords over BT = bad :P |
| 16:45.01 | Zmiko | ya |
| 16:45.07 | GeneralAntilles | The fullscreen thumbboard on the N800 works very nicely for me. |
| 16:45.37 | lardman | braddbr: thanks |
| 16:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | Also to consider: Dual SDHC versus single MiniSD |
| 16:45.42 | Zmiko | thanks guys |
| 16:45.53 | Zmiko | there's a lot to consider |
| 16:46.12 | dragorn | if you plan to use it for just dicking around in the browser and playing a movie, 800 is fne |
| 16:46.29 | dragorn | if you want to use it to write anything or use the terminal for much, you're probably going to be unhappy with the onscreen kb |
| 16:46.35 | Zmiko | i'm planning on it replacing my palm tx |
| 16:46.42 | lardman | hear hear |
| 16:46.57 | dragorn | having not used a palm since the mid-90s, I don't know what that means :) |
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| 16:47.42 | Zmiko | browsing the web, calendar, to do |
| 16:47.47 | Zmiko | 's, contacts |
| 16:47.57 | Zmiko | i know the browser's tons better |
| 16:48.08 | Zmiko | and there's the garnet vm so I can run all of my palm apps |
| 16:48.08 | dragorn | The browser is good. I haven't found anything I cared for for any of the others |
| 16:48.13 | dragorn | yeah i guess |
| 16:48.21 | Zmiko | anyone used the garnet vm? |
| 16:48.27 | jeff1f | I wouldn't use it as a palm replacement, though |
| 16:49.14 | BTobotras | What do you guys use for notes? quicknote looks buggy |
| 16:49.14 | Zmiko | i also ordered a nokia n95 8gb |
| 16:49.38 | jeff1f | Oh, good, use the n95 for your pim and calander stuff |
| 16:49.53 | Zmiko | that's what I was thinking |
| 16:50.05 | Zmiko | and tablet for web and some music |
| 16:50.36 | lardman | braddbr_: what is the variable dis in your code? |
| 16:51.00 | braddbr_ | Display *dis; // its the connection to the X server |
| 16:51.13 | lardman | so it should be d? |
| 16:51.27 | lardman | Display *d = XOpenDisplay(0); |
| 16:51.38 | braddbr_ | Oh, yeah thats fine |
| 16:51.52 | lardman | I thought so, just checking |
| 16:52.36 | lardman | and if I don't actually want any XWindow events, I suppose I should still wait for the Exposure event |
| 16:52.42 | joshin | Dumb 770 question, is the Omap1 in it able to take advantage of EABI and if so does OS2006/2007HE take advantage of it? |
| 16:52.44 | braddbr_ | did I use d instead of dis? btw, XSIZE and YSIZE are the window size you want to create (nokia will still create the regular size window but you will only be able to access XSIZE and YSIZE) |
| 16:53.10 | braddbr_ | yeah, you should wait for expose.. then you know what you draw to the window will take effect |
| 16:53.10 | lardman | braddbr_: yeah, you used d at the start |
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| 16:54.26 | melmoth | Any maemomapper developper around ? |
| 16:54.41 | melmoth | I wonder where is the poi.c:map_render_poi() function ever called (if it is) |
| 16:56.06 | lardman | braddbr_: thanks |
| 16:56.14 | braddbr_ | np |
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| 16:57.09 | adksfhaskdljhf | any gurus here? |
| 16:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | The path to inner piece is fraught with great distraction. |
| 16:57.32 | adksfhaskdljhf | need some help mounting an iso in OS2008 from mmc2 |
| 16:57.45 | adksfhaskdljhf | he who travels alone travels far |
| 16:58.46 | adksfhaskdljhf | ok General, my deathstar is an n810 and I need to bullseye something bigger than a womprat |
| 16:59.11 | dragorn | never tried it. You'd need both loopback support and iso9660 support in the kernel. |
| 16:59.25 | dragorn | Loopback it might have, iso9660 is less likely, you could probably build the modules though. |
| 16:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | To be quite honest, I don't believe I've ever actually mounted any sort of disk image on anything besides a Mac. :# |
| 16:59.50 | adksfhaskdljhf | yeah, dragorn, i dont know that iso9660 support is in /etc/filesystems |
| 17:00.09 | adksfhaskdljhf | i believe lo sport is in the kernel |
| 17:00.33 | dragorn | that would have nothing to do with it. You need the kernel module for iso9660. and lo = network loopback, you need loopback block device support |
| 17:01.00 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1H1mq7jAck Approach, students. Close the circle at the feet of the master. |
| 17:01.11 | adksfhaskdljhf | er /proc/filesystems |
| 17:01.36 | adksfhaskdljhf | so hey dragorn, I basically need to either compile a new kernel or build a module? |
| 17:01.59 | dragorn | adksfhaskdljhf: ah, yes. that would be different. :) So you're going to be needing to build some kernel modules, fortunately theres a howto on the maemo site for that which appears to be accurate |
| 17:02.14 | braddbr_ | i have mounted something on os2008 with mount -o loop, so i imagine loopback is supported |
| 17:02.25 | dragorn | unless someone made a package for iso9660 already |
| 17:02.57 | adksfhaskdljhf | hey barddbr_, was it on a minisd card or was it on the internal filesystem? |
| 17:03.21 | braddbr_ | it was on the local fs |
| 17:03.23 | dragorn | wouldn't matter |
| 17:03.53 | adksfhaskdljhf | i didnt know if it would, like if i mounted the mmc using a /dev/ |
| 17:03.59 | braddbr_ | i just tried mounting it on mmc2.. it worked |
| 17:04.38 | dragorn | loopback would happen at the VFS layer, you can even mount them over a network share (though I wouldn't suggest it as an amazingly good idea, especially for a journaled filesystem on the loop) |
| 17:04.40 | adksfhaskdljhf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.28 | adksfhaskdljhf | so the loopback block device, like in another *nix, is a virtual device that emulates a fs? |
| 17:05.36 | dragorn | no |
| 17:05.46 | dragorn | The loopback device is a virtual device that emulates a block layer device |
| 17:06.42 | dragorn | it points the block layer handlers to the file (and resolves contiguous data issues at the vfs layer). It's a pretty horrible hack all things considered but does the trick in most cases. |
| 17:07.20 | adksfhaskdljhf | well, that sounds right |
| 17:07.42 | dragorn | But it also leads to double-caching where the VFS write cache for the filesystem hits the dirty timer and writes out, thinking it's complete & safe |
| 17:07.47 | adksfhaskdljhf | hey dragorn, where do i find that FAQ on maemo module building? |
| 17:08.08 | dragorn | but in reality it's just turned into another filesystem call, which is then cached again until the write timeout on the host filesystem triggers |
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| 17:08.18 | adksfhaskdljhf | im just trying to use the loopback for ro |
| 17:08.24 | dragorn | Making the continuity of your filesystem a little scary. |
| 17:08.26 | dragorn | yeah RO is fine |
| 17:08.44 | dragorn | uh, maemo.org, docs, howtos, 4.0, "building the kernel" or somesuch |
| 17:10.43 | adksfhaskdljhf | so dragorn, do you use the native WM or have you used any other? |
| 17:11.17 | dragorn | it's worked well enough for me and I didn't feel like losing all the existing apps |
| 17:12.06 | adksfhaskdljhf | i didnt know if anything could be more efficient than hildon |
| 17:12.29 | dragorn | probably, yes, but then you lose all the existing apps that need hildon |
| 17:12.46 | dragorn | and dragging windows around at 800x400 didn't do much for me |
| 17:13.17 | adksfhaskdljhf | i just need certain apps... i hate bloat |
| 17:13.52 | adksfhaskdljhf | so does is there a default .config with the kernel source that matches the distro? |
| 17:14.10 | adksfhaskdljhf | ah nm |
| 17:14.13 | adksfhaskdljhf | defconfig |
| 17:14.37 | adksfhaskdljhf | geez |
| 17:14.41 | dragorn | theres a command to gen the maemo config, it's in the howto |
| 17:14.46 | adksfhaskdljhf | yeah |
| 17:14.57 | adksfhaskdljhf | this is alot of work to mount a freakin iso |
| 17:15.18 | braddbr_ | can't you mount the iso elsewhere and extract what you need? |
| 17:17.48 | adksfhaskdljhf | maybe, but i just like to be able to carry my oreilly bookshelf with me in a convenient format |
| 17:18.14 | lcuk_dinner | o'rly bookshelf? |
| 17:18.19 | Spakman | alterego: any news on your new server setup? Are you able to send me the current ruby-maemo deb so that I can host it myself until your setup is back on its feet? |
| 17:18.20 | adksfhaskdljhf | yeah |
| 17:18.31 | lcuk_dinner | wont it work if you just put it all into a folder? |
| 17:18.55 | dragorn | having to mount an iso from shell doesn't sound terribly convenient :) |
| 17:19.00 | adksfhaskdljhf | probably |
| 17:19.08 | alterego | Spakman, I've copied the files to here: http://alterego.freeshell.org/Ruby-Maemo.tar.gz |
| 17:19.16 | alterego | Spakman, my server should be up tomorrow. |
| 17:19.27 | lcuk_dinner | plus, if you have it in folder form you can trim the fat from the stuff you never need |
| 17:19.32 | adksfhaskdljhf | alternately, ill just rdesktop to another machine |
| 17:19.39 | braddbr_ | you could always throw it on a big SD card and carry that with you for when you need it |
| 17:19.40 | alterego | I'm just testing the current network setup, then I just need to update the DNS information on my domains. |
| 17:20.06 | Spakman | alterego: great, thanks. Good luck with it. |
| 17:20.32 | Spakman | alterego: has there been much progress with GtkMozEmbed? |
| 17:20.54 | lcuk_dinner | i find having a whole bookshelf in digital form is not convenient for long trips and random toilet breaks. |
| 17:21.19 | alterego | Spakman, yeah, it will be in my next release. |
| 17:21.26 | lcuk_dinner | its simple with a real book to cull a random page and use in an emergency, but with digital devices you can never clean them properly |
| 17:22.01 | adksfhaskdljhf | that actually sounds painful |
| 17:23.09 | lcuk_dinner | god man, im not a masochist - you learn quickly that a stylus isnt meant for THAT |
| 17:23.51 | Spakman | alterego: cool! |
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| 17:23.59 | alterego | :) |
| 17:24.20 | alterego | Spakman, yup. I want to see you create a desktop applet using the HTML renderer :P |
| 17:27.32 | esworp | Does anyone elsee think that there needs to be a 'applets' only category on maemo's download page? |
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| 17:31.01 | sp3000 | sounds like something a tag could do |
| 17:31.58 | sp3000 | oh, hm |
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| 17:33.07 | sp3000 | (in that they're n:n rather than 1:n, that is) |
| 17:34.50 | Spakman | alterego: very nice sounding, I look forward to playing with it. |
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| 17:41.58 | jga23 | anybody know how to remap the back button to the menu button on the n810? |
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| 17:48.41 | tufei | hi, all, i'm trying to compile a package for arm target in scratchbox, but i found that lots of devel packages are missing, like gtk+-2.0, however, compiling for x86 is fine. what am i missing here? BTW, i did the Chinook SDK automatic installation. thanks. |
| 17:57.15 | jga23 | is there anyway to get microb running in the scratchbox? |
| 17:57.35 | alterego | jga23, cross compile it |
| 17:58.34 | michele_ | jga23: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
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| 18:00.09 | timely | alterego: microb w/o a ui is moderately useless :( |
| 18:00.10 | michele_ | btw, microb's site doesn't work in firefox 3 proper |
| 18:00.21 | timely | michele_: eh? |
| 18:00.56 | timely | define doesn't work |
| 18:01.02 | michele_ | timely: browser.garage.maemo.org doesn't work in firefox 3b3 |
| 18:01.13 | timely | define doesn't work |
| 18:01.21 | michele_ | oh no wait :) |
| 18:01.39 | michele_ | my window was too narrow and the content "frame" fell below the menu |
| 18:01.40 | timely | sorry, since half that content is mine, and since i rarely using anything other than minefield |
| 18:01.50 | timely | i'm a wee it skeptical :) |
| 18:01.54 | timely | ah yes |
| 18:02.14 | timely | that's not doesn't work, it's just a design decision (not mine, but i didn't feel like picking a new design) |
| 18:02.52 | michele_ | timely: well, in that situation I can't read it -> doesn't work |
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| 18:03.04 | timely | michele_: don't ever file bugs like that |
| 18:03.20 | timely | if you want a useful response you're going to need to be a lot clearer up front |
| 18:03.25 | michele_ | timely: eh.. this was not a bug report, just irc chit chat |
| 18:03.49 | timely | #maemo has real life developers |
| 18:04.51 | timely | (or something like that) |
| 18:04.53 | jga23 | should I be running scratchbox as armel or 386? |
| 18:05.12 | timely | jga23: depends on what you want to do |
| 18:05.24 | timely | older qemus can't emulate enough arm in order to be useful |
| 18:05.27 | jga23 | just test my python apps out |
| 18:05.37 | lcuk | x86 code for testing and running in emulator. armel for copying to device and proper running |
| 18:05.37 | timely | if you want speed and debugability then 386 |
| 18:07.06 | lcuk | jga23, for python stuff i just use scp and edit files which are already on 810 (i use a windows python editor) and then just run direct from console on 810 after saving |
| 18:14.02 | jga23 | lcuk: thats not a bad idea |
| 18:20.56 | michele_ | incidentally, I don't know why, but firefox 3 renders text worse than the rest of the system, including firefox 2 |
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| 18:35.39 | digitalfredy | hello, i have a n810 and can't connect this fine to wireless ad-hoc whith olsr protocol |
| 18:36.08 | digitalfredy | can any help me? |
| 18:41.12 | dragorn | as far as I know there is no olsr support |
| 18:41.45 | dragorn | i'm not sure it's possible w/ the limited capabilities of the wifi drivers |
| 18:42.02 | dragorn | tho if it only uses data frames it ought to be |
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| 18:42.37 | juke | hi |
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| 18:57.17 | digitalfredy | dragorn, ping |
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| 19:04.23 | Marc31 | Hi!anybody has personal navicore? Private me |
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| 19:09.06 | Marc31 | Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me |
| 19:12.45 | darkip | hey, any have any idea why pages won't load once i move from a 3G into one where there is only GPRS? |
| 19:12.59 | darkip | pages load fine on my N80 (which is tethered to my N810) |
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| 19:22.55 | Marc31 | Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me |
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| 19:29.33 | juke | is there a mail client wich support imap folders ? |
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| 19:32.22 | Marc31 | Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me |
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| 19:44.25 | jga23 | anybody know how to remap the hardware keys on the n810? |
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| 20:06.41 | genghis_lko | Hello all, I would need some info on the gold pinouts found under/near the battery of the n810. I found the info on the n770 but just can't find it for the n810. I want to have a serial console, or at least see where my custom kernel panics. I have my PL2303 usb-serial ready for mod, just don't know where to make contact on the it. I just feel I don;t OWN the device until I see the kernel boot. I did output the console on the f |
| 20:07.56 | glass | you cut off at "console on the f" |
| 20:08.43 | Proteous | it's more fun to just imagine what could have been after the f |
| 20:08.43 | genghis_lko | :) |
| 20:08.43 | genghis_lko | ... framebuffer, but that adds other problems :) Thanks for any info and pointers. |
| 20:08.50 | Proteous | "I did output the console on the fridge, but it only told me I needed to get milk" |
| 20:10.27 | Proteous | "I did output the console on the first car I ever owned, I never did get that back together, it was a horrible wiring mess" |
| 20:11.48 | genghis_lko | Well on the framebuffer it boots, then enter the rebooting game, so I don't have the time to see the output. |
| 20:12.12 | genghis_lko | To bad for your car, must have been a big lost ! |
| 20:12.38 | Proteous | I was quoting you :P |
| 20:13.19 | genghis_lko | Yeah I know :) |
| 20:13.37 | Proteous | heh |
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| 20:13.58 | juke | modest support imap folders ? |
| 20:14.34 | Tester_ | juke: yes |
| 20:16.07 | juke | Tester_: how can i choose the folder subscription ? |
| 20:16.33 | Tester_ | juke: dont know ;) |
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| 20:26.26 | pupnik | perhaps it is possible to log boot to somewhere on mmc, then read the bootlog with a cardreader on pc? genghis_lko, ... |
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| 20:27.31 | genghis_lko | Yes pupnik .. for general boot process it sure is possible .. but not where my problem occurs ... fs not mounted yet |
| 20:29.24 | meti1 | Hy, the my problem: is possible to use Skype Video on N800? |
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| 20:32.58 | lardman | hmm, that confused me for a minute |
| 20:33.21 | lardman | work pc must be having troubles |
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| 20:35.47 | pupnik | thank you nokia for the fixed busybox vi in os2008 |
| 20:38.06 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ |
| 20:39.29 | pupnik | faster testing cycles... should have done this ages ago |
| 20:40.23 | genghis_lko | My requirements of knowing the pinouts are also a caprice of knowing everything about my toy and the possibilities. And I love minicom so much ! |
| 20:41.07 | genghis_lko | Yes nfs is quite faster for rootfs dev, and won't reduce lifetime of any used media. |
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| 20:56.04 | pupnik | whee xaos fractal browser is fast on the n810 |
| 20:56.12 | metis | I would want to make a video called from n800 to PC, is possible? |
| 20:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo, metis. |
| 20:56.34 | EruditeHermit | hey how do you make the tablet input via pen and fingerboard work once you disconnect a bt keyboard? I am forced to restart when I want to do it |
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| 20:56.44 | metis | GeneralAntilles, ok |
| 20:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off bluetooth. |
| 20:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | You may not be disconnecting properly |
| 20:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | Try letting it sleep (timeout is usually 3 minutes) |
| 20:57.22 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: yeah, the Bluetooth B is white |
| 20:57.44 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: but it still doesn't want to use pen |
| 20:58.19 | EruditeHermit | even after I turn bluetooth off |
| 20:58.23 | EruditeHermit | it still doesn't go back |
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| 20:59.18 | metis | GeneralAntilles, for you will arrive the video in skype for n800? |
| 20:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue. |
| 21:02.57 | EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: is that at me? |
| 21:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | No, metis. |
| 21:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, there's a bug on bugzilla about it somewhere. |
| 21:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | I think if you get stuck in the no-vkb situation, you have to reboot. |
| 21:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Letting the keyboard sleep itself doesn't seem to cause trouble, though. |
| 21:04.03 | EruditeHermit | that sucks |
| 21:04.16 | EruditeHermit | well It did |
| 21:04.21 | EruditeHermit | it just slept and disconnected |
| 21:04.28 | EruditeHermit | but it still remained in kbd mode |
| 21:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | I've never had the vkb disappear on sleep. |
| 21:04.55 | EruditeHermit | thats annoying |
| 21:05.01 | EruditeHermit | I hope the fix that soon |
| 21:06.01 | lcuk | what model bt keyboard is it, and has it done this since you got it |
| 21:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's not particularly reproducible as far as I can tell. |
| 21:06.35 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: yes it has, its an iGo bluetooth keyboard |
| 21:06.52 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what model bt keyboards have you got? |
| 21:07.19 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: its called iGo Stowaway |
| 21:07.28 | GeneralAntilles | iGo |
| 21:07.38 | lcuk | EruditeHermit, have you used it on any other devices or did you just get it for 8x0? |
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| 21:07.48 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: just for n800 |
| 21:08.12 | lcuk | have you got any other machine you could test it on, just to rule it out as a factor |
| 21:08.25 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: nope not really |
| 21:08.30 | EruditeHermit | lcuk: perhaps my phone |
| 21:08.38 | EruditeHermit | its not the keyboard |
| 21:08.40 | EruditeHermit | I think |
| 21:08.55 | EruditeHermit | because the blue bluetooth sign becomes white, signifying it is no longer paired |
| 21:08.59 | lcuk | i tend to agree, but its always worthwhile checking the things you can test here and now |
| 21:09.29 | EruditeHermit | if it is no longer paired (because it timed out or I manually disconnect it) it should revert to vkbd |
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| 21:15.42 | eichi | hello, are there some problem with installing ogg support? i cant install the package |
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| 21:20.54 | Cord | erm. |
| 21:22.19 | eichi | ? |
| 21:23.10 | Cord | on my n810 i have perl-base 5.8.3-3osso7, perl --version --> v5.8.3, in my SDK i have perl-base 5.8.3-3osso7, perl --version --> 5.8.4 . can anybody explain that to me? (Problem is, that perl-modules i build want perlapi-5.8.4 which isn't available, because packages are labeled 5.8.3 |
| 21:25.46 | metis | GeneralAntilles, Gizmo work to the video calls? |
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| 21:28.50 | s1d | crap |
| 21:28.57 | s1d | how do i change a set wep key |
| 21:29.22 | s1d | in os2008, i see the xml files and can try to edit the key info in them but last time i tired that it really b0rked things up |
| 21:30.15 | jku | s1d, what xml files? you're not editing gconf files are you? |
| 21:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | metis, like I said, yes. :) |
| 21:31.04 | s1d | ah i found it |
| 21:31.14 | s1d | if i go to connections -> edit i can fix it |
| 21:32.08 | s1d | hehe i think i was in the past :( |
| 21:32.14 | s1d | it was a bad idea :> |
| 21:32.33 | s1d | but yah now it's working so happy days :) |
| 21:34.02 | s1d | the water pipes in the basement of my apartment exploded last night |
| 21:34.05 | s1d | now theres a pond! |
| 21:34.07 | s1d | and no working water |
| 21:34.14 | jku | s1d, if you need to edit gconf settings some other time see gconftool-2 (or gconf-editor) |
| 21:34.24 | s1d | oh |
| 21:34.58 | jku | editing by hand means trouble |
| 21:35.16 | s1d | hehe |
| 21:35.24 | s1d | do i edit the schema settings with the tool |
| 21:35.29 | s1d | i can google the rest up |
| 21:35.33 | s1d | thx for the tip |
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| 21:38.57 | pupnik | lazy question: is there an easy build for kismet for n810 that will drop open wlans onto my gps data cache? |
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| 21:53.07 | t_s_o | 800x480 on a 3" screen, wtf?! |
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| 22:02.14 | elb | t_s_o: what seems to be the problem |
| 22:02.44 | t_s_o | nothing much :P just wondering about how big the different elements will be on a screen like that... |
| 22:05.42 | elb | that depends on how many pixels you use to render them |
| 22:06.16 | lcuk | super smooth unaliased lines :) |
| 22:06.44 | lcuk | with correct focusing you could almost put it up to your eye and turn into maemoworld |
| 22:09.54 | fysa | I want to try one of those fresnel lenses to turn it into a 10" screen ;) |
| 22:10.09 | fysa | anyone have experience with |
| 22:10.17 | fysa | the BTMicro mouse? |
| 22:10.21 | fysa | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheappleblog.com%2F2005%2F04%2F24%2Fmacally-btmicro-portable-mouse%2F&ei=9nWvR_ufMoq-hAS17-Ub&usg=AFQjCNGDPXYwBi8hgVEBZgnq-XboOFGmuw&sig2=rPxWJE0CHT-GPnJ_dJ-K8A |
| 22:11.43 | fysa | http://www.radtech.us/Products/BT500.aspx |
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| 22:16.02 | fysa | http://www.724deal.com/wireless-bluetooth-finger-mouse-1248.html |
| 22:16.49 | fysa | .. I wonder how you click. |
| 22:17.41 | fysa | this would be perfect if it was bluetooth.. http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15489-The+USB+Mouse+Pad+by+Evergreen+%21%21.html |
| 22:17.57 | elb | looks like you use your thumb |
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| 22:18.46 | lcuk | fysa, that looks cool |
| 22:19.18 | fysa | think I will try that BT-500. has good reviews and can use two AA batteries (i.e., alkaline to last forever..) |
| 22:20.17 | fysa | sorry, two AAA |
| 22:20.43 | Navi | Haha, sexy |
| 22:20.50 | Navi | Mouse+Gamepad :D |
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| 22:23.41 | Tama^2 | ls |
| 22:23.47 | Tama^2 | ih ih |
| 22:23.50 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 22:24.17 | Tama^2 | (too many windows open) |
| 22:24.17 | pupnik | 'if it were' is the proper use of the subjunctive, not 'if it was' |
| 22:24.25 | pupnik | syntax error fysa |
| 22:25.17 | Tama^2 | pupnik: true, but soooo many people use 'was' when speaking that gets me confused |
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| 22:30.30 | pupnik | me hands Tama^2 a case of trout ammunition |
| 22:31.32 | pupnik | broken, stupid language that reduces descriptive power and accuracy is not to be accepted without resistance |
| 22:31.35 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:32.07 | Tama^2 | yes, everyone should do like the French xD |
| 22:35.42 | Fang64 | drop their IQ level? |
| 22:39.54 | Tama^2 | Not sure about that, I was referring to language protectionism ;) |
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| 23:03.19 | ryoohki_ | does the n8?0 suspend or hibernate? i'm using os2008 on a n800 |
| 23:04.23 | ryoohki_ | also, how do you highlight/cut/paste text with an800 since there is no keyboard with which to ctrl x/ctrl c/ctrl v? |
| 23:04.33 | Tama^2 | neither, but it has a very low power idle mode |
| 23:04.46 | ryoohki_ | how do you set idle mode then? |
| 23:05.00 | Navi | automatic |
| 23:05.03 | Tama^2 | you leave it idle.. :) |
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| 23:06.00 | ryoohki_ | ok |
| 23:06.21 | Proteous | you can copy and paste by highlighting the text then click on hold on it with the stylus and select copy |
| 23:06.21 | ryoohki_ | what about cut-n-paste on the keyboardless n800? |
| 23:06.34 | Proteous | selecting it with the stylus |
| 23:07.04 | ryoohki_ | when i try that an "icon" appears of a circluar arrow momentarily |
| 23:07.24 | Proteous | double tap and drag to select |
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| 23:07.31 | ryoohki_ | ok |
| 23:07.36 | ryoohki_ | i try that, thanks! |
| 23:08.56 | ryoohki_ | you know, i'm trying to install pymaemo for mworldclock and i can't find it any where, either as installed or installable under application manager and everything is checked off correctly under app manager > tools ... |
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| 23:09.27 | ryoohki_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock/ |
| 23:11.22 | Tama^2 | if the app you are installing lists it as a dependence then it's pulled in automatically |
| 23:12.10 | Tama^2 | f you want to install only pymaemo I think you have to become root and use #apt-get install |
| 23:12.18 | ryoohki_ | ok |
| 23:15.47 | lcuk | can i put the machine into a locked state from the console? as in exactly what happens when i slide the lock. |
| 23:16.30 | Tama^2 | I think it is possible via dbus but it is not documented |
| 23:16.57 | lcuk | hmmmm, cos then i wouldn't need to get it out of its cradle just to lock it |
| 23:17.33 | lcuk | i know it unlocks when keyboard slide occurs, and relocks if you close it again, but it doesnt lock if you have used the keyboard whilst open |
| 23:17.57 | lcuk | Tama^2, have you got any documentation on it? |
| 23:17.58 | lcuk | ;) |
| 23:18.12 | ryoohki_ | it keeps sayiong "unable to install"!! |
| 23:18.19 | Tama^2 | nope, sorry |
| 23:19.11 | lcuk | ill have to start poking |
| 23:19.31 | lcuk | poke 58554,2 |
| 23:19.39 | lcuk | poke 58555,2 |
| 23:19.44 | lcuk | [NO-CARRIER] |
| 23:20.47 | ryoohki_ | it keeps sayiong "unable to install mClock" but no why or what i might do about it!!!!! |
| 23:21.35 | lcuk | try it from the command line and see what other info it gives |
| 23:22.14 | lcuk | (is not an expert) but i think its something like "apt-get install mclock" with the gui installer closed. someone tell me if thats correct? |
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