| 00:00.57 | |tbb| | anyway gnite all |
| 00:00.57 | johnx | 'night |tbb| |
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| 00:34.44 | pupnik | crap i broke pahts somehow |
| 00:34.45 | pupnik | avatar can't find any path |
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| 00:36.07 | pupnik | i remember my first PC magazine - "creative computing" |
| 00:36.07 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Computing |
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| 00:38.21 | Tama^2 | Creative - Computing? oxymoron I say! ;-P |
| 00:38.46 | pupnik | the magazine was published 1974-1985 |
| 00:39.08 | pupnik | but handhelds are reviving a little bit of the spirit |
| 00:39.12 | johnx | Tama^2, oxymoron? You haven't seen any of my hacks then... |
| 00:39.39 | johnx | yeah, the spirit exists in any field of computing that isn't "established" yet |
| 00:41.38 | pupnik | a shame the ipod sold |
| 00:41.44 | pupnik | deapite being a locked system |
| 00:41.59 | pupnik | now all the fanbois are geeking over 'unlocking' their treasure |
| 00:42.10 | pupnik | a swift kick to the gonads would be in order |
| 00:42.16 | Tama^2 | lol, true |
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| 00:42.45 | Tama^2 | buy something crippled and spend time in order to un-cripple it instead of improving it |
| 00:43.20 | johnx | hmmm...does it make me elitist if I'm glad that the tablet isn't quite mainstream yet? |
| 00:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | I agree. |
| 00:44.02 | pupnik | i dunno, more sales = more developers |
| 00:44.34 | johnx | more sales to devs = more devs, more sales to n00bs = more n00bs... |
| 00:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | Mainstream will require more pandering from Nokia. |
| 00:44.48 | pupnik | oh ok that is a valid poitn GeneralAntilles |
| 00:45.20 | pupnik | i'm happy as a pig with nokia to be honest. |
| 00:45.36 | pupnik | the 770 and the 810 are just lovely |
| 00:46.05 | pupnik | oh and gps lock with new gpsd today in 19 seconds |
| 00:46.28 | johnx | the "leap year fix" gpsd? |
| 00:46.33 | pupnik | yeah. |
| 00:46.39 | johnx | Nokia says that it doesn't help anything :) |
| 00:46.42 | pupnik | i read a response that claims the logic |
| 00:46.43 | pupnik | right |
| 00:46.57 | johnx | so you must have imagined the lock :P |
| 00:46.58 | pupnik | my sampling is not statistically meaningful |
| 00:47.30 | johnx | even though I have an N800 I'm really curious as to the nature of this bug |
| 00:47.37 | johnx | it's an interesting mystery... |
| 00:47.55 | pupnik | what kills me is this occasional terrible sound quality on the n810 |
| 00:48.03 | pupnik | sometimes it is better, sometimes worse |
| 00:48.31 | pupnik | i imagine the n800 has great sound |
| 00:48.39 | pupnik | the 770 is great |
| 00:49.07 | johnx | The N800 is fine sound...somewhere in the range of crappy laptop speakers |
| 00:50.29 | johnx | woo! I have a booting 2.6 kernel on my zaurus 5500 again |
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| 00:52.14 | pupnik | well with respect to speaker technology, there are dynamic cones, and then there are these planar membrane / electrostatic technologies |
| 00:52.24 | pupnik | and cell phones nowadays use this newer tech |
| 00:52.29 | pupnik | and it's amazing stuff |
| 00:52.45 | johnx | what do the N8x0 use? |
| 00:52.46 | pupnik | old laptops used dynamic speakers like the conical things we remember |
| 00:52.53 | pupnik | these new things |
| 00:52.56 | johnx | aaah |
| 00:53.05 | pupnik | i'm not sure if 'electrostatic' is the right word |
| 00:53.13 | pupnik | but that's how they get the amazing volume |
| 00:53.26 | johnx | yeah, they sound pretty darn good for being so small, but my big laptop definitely has better sound |
| 00:53.29 | pupnik | a dime sized cone speaker could never do it |
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| 00:54.00 | johnx | then again, my big laptop also has a subwoofer... |
| 00:54.24 | pupnik | johnx: take a look: best speakers in the world use this tech |
| 00:54.26 | pupnik | http://vmpseurope.com/RM30.htm |
| 00:55.50 | johnx | very cool looking |
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| 01:07.44 | esworp | So, did i see abiword in the repositories for a few days, and now it's gone. |
| 01:07.52 | esworp | ? |
| 01:10.13 | johnx | i dunno |
| 01:10.22 | johnx | it's in private beta right now I think |
| 01:11.27 | esworp | That would be a nice addition. I use my n800 as a workplace wokhorse. |
| 01:12.10 | johnx | I assume you have a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 01:12.44 | esworp | I beat the hell out of gpe calendar. I think i have over a thousand entries. |
| 01:12.54 | esworp | Oh hell yah. |
| 01:14.07 | johnx | that's pretty cool |
| 01:14.23 | johnx | I think Nokia is probably seeing a lot more creative uses for the tablets as time goes by |
| 01:15.41 | lcuk_3 | yes, theyv brought back n-gage ;) |
| 01:16.19 | johnx | woo! |
| 01:16.27 | johnx | maybe they'll do another midnight launch? |
| 01:16.37 | esworp | I use it the pim stuff like a maniac. But ukmp is pretty up there on my list, too. |
| 01:17.12 | pupnik | abiword is a nice idea, but why would i want a word processor? |
| 01:17.29 | pupnik | ... to put something on *paper*? |
| 01:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | N-Gage branded NIT would be OK with me. |
| 01:17.54 | lcuk_3 | paper might be the end result, i couldnt afford to give out 20 n810's at every staff meeting ;) |
| 01:17.58 | pupnik | i'm buying a pandora GeneralAntilles |
| 01:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | Let me know how that goes. |
| 01:18.24 | johnx | and I'm keeping my Zaurus C1000... |
| 01:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's probably a little too emulation focused for my tastes. |
| 01:19.04 | lcuk_3 | i think pupnik has an itch and wants a game machine to scratch it |
| 01:19.27 | lcuk_3 | was the 800 better for games (button location) than the 810? |
| 01:19.29 | pupnik | no i'm buying one cause that project is totally heroic |
| 01:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/65/68/22846865.jpg |
| 01:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | Needs that instead. |
| 01:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | Cheaper, too. |
| 01:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | Duh, lcuk_3. :P |
| 01:20.09 | esworp | Abiword would be a lifesaver! I end up waiting hours in court, being able to catch up on my writing would be nice. |
| 01:20.58 | pupnik | do you print things and mail them esworp ? |
| 01:21.10 | Tama^2 | I write stuff in ASCII and use asciidoc to convert it to HTML or docbook |
| 01:21.25 | Tama^2 | ... not for everyone, I know |
| 01:21.40 | johnx | for simple stuff the "notes" application saves in html |
| 01:22.12 | johnx | but abiword would be a nice one-stop app for opening a .doc, editing it and sending it to someone |
| 01:22.23 | esworp | I would /love/ to submit a judicial review or petition in asciii, monospace. They'd totally barf. |
| 01:22.41 | pupnik | :) |
| 01:22.53 | johnx | ahaha...I turned in a paper in high school once in 80 character columns |
| 01:22.54 | lcuk_3 | esworp, whats the most common format now? |
| 01:23.03 | johnx | I think I actually did cat my-paper.txt > /dev/lp0 |
| 01:23.10 | pupnik | i am so god damn glad i don't have to deal with those kinds of people |
| 01:25.36 | esworp | "Your honor, if you'll scroll down to line 235, punch card 35, you'll see the report from the behavioral analyst.'' |
| 01:26.06 | esworp | They're on /my/ side at my job. It's been alright. |
| 01:26.30 | johnx | "your honor, if you'll ignore the rendering glitch caused my converting from office 2003 to office 98..." |
| 01:27.41 | esworp | Hah, i know. I use Pages moslty, and see folk thrash on thier windows machines. |
| 01:28.34 | johnx | so is the new pages as nice as people say? |
| 01:29.49 | esworp | I like it, yah. But i recognize it's not for everyone. |
| 01:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's beautiful. |
| 01:30.57 | johnx | it's good to see apple finally trying to *do something* about the ms office on Mac situation... |
| 01:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | Though I don't 100% care for how it functions. |
| 01:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | Bastard child of Pagemaker and Word. |
| 01:31.21 | johnx | gah...pagemaker |
| 01:31.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | I've done a LOT on Pagemaker. |
| 01:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's not SO bad. |
| 01:31.49 | esworp | Pageworder? Wordpager? Pages. |
| 01:31.49 | johnx | on mac or windows? |
| 01:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | but s/Pagemaker/generic DTP program/ |
| 01:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | Windows |
| 01:32.11 | esworp | Wordmaker! |
| 01:32.11 | johnx | I dunno, it's *pretty bad* |
| 01:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | Most of my high school's big print projects were done by me. |
| 01:32.41 | johnx | pagemaker was so damn buggy and crashy |
| 01:32.53 | johnx | you *looked at it wrong* and it would just disappear |
| 01:32.55 | smackpotato | any body here know anything about kdrive |
| 01:33.06 | esworp | I would like to use openoffice on thr mac, but it feels like it should be running on a macplus. |
| 01:33.08 | johnx | smackpotato, in terms of the code or in terms of usage? |
| 01:33.22 | smackpotato | code |
| 01:33.48 | johnx | smackpotato, well, try asking anyways, but no promises... |
| 01:33.56 | ds3 | Write in windows was pretty good |
| 01:34.13 | johnx | esworp, I really don't understand what everyone's love of OpenOffice is...it's just not that great and it's massively bloated |
| 01:34.20 | smackpotato | i was wondering if there is a way to disconect the stylus from the core pointrr |
| 01:34.36 | johnx | while it's running? |
| 01:34.57 | smackpotato | ya that would be the idea |
| 01:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's free, johnx. ;) |
| 01:35.53 | smackpotato | is there a dummy input device i can change to |
| 01:39.33 | esworp | Oh oh! I am TOTALLY looking for a gui based file manager that'll let me explore the hidden folders. I expected gpe filemanager too, but alas, no cigar. |
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| 01:44.45 | ds3 | given some of the semirecent threads on ITT, anyone trying to use the N8x0 to print to a tiny portable printer? |
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| 01:47.04 | smackpotato | basicly what id want to,do is move a cursor around without my finger on top of it |
| 01:47.47 | johnx | move it from an external device or from software? |
| 01:48.02 | esworp | I secretly hate that the thumbboard is hard to invoke sometimes |
| 01:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just use the d-pad. |
| 01:49.08 | smackpotato | i hate moving back and vorth from stylus to thumb |
| 01:49.20 | smackpotato | damn im lazy |
| 01:49.34 | smackpotato | ya the dpad is ok |
| 01:49.42 | lcuk_3 | finger not good enough or are programs still designed too small? |
| 01:49.55 | esworp | D-pad in gpe calendar is the 'cancel' button. |
| 01:50.00 | pupnik | does somebody besides me want to be a hero and port a gp2x snes emulator to the tablets? |
| 01:50.32 | johnx | depending on how often you want to move the cursor something like xdotool might work... |
| 01:50.40 | fysa | how modular is the cpu core? |
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| 01:51.06 | smackpotato | thanks johnx |
| 01:51.48 | pupnik | fysa: i don't want to say anything incorrect, but porting from gp2x is basically front-end stuff, not core stuff |
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| 01:52.24 | fysa | would it be easier to move parts of the core into a working frontend? |
| 01:52.55 | pupnik | well ... that's what i tried doing |
| 01:53.11 | pupnik | i took snes9x and started copying over the gp2x optimized core stuff |
| 01:53.18 | pupnik | and it kindn of blew up in my face |
| 01:53.18 | fysa | even just a few bits would help immensely |
| 01:53.43 | pupnik | so .. you can grab my stuff, if it might help |
| 01:53.45 | fysa | ah |
| 01:54.12 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz |
| 01:54.22 | fysa | would compiling directly on a real processor give any performance advantage? |
| 01:54.44 | pupnik | no |
| 01:55.18 | fysa | i though i heard that somewhere and it never quite made sense. |
| 01:56.33 | pupnik | either that or take over some of my easier projects |
| 01:56.48 | pupnik | 'penguin command' is an 'easy' one to fix-up |
| 01:56.58 | pupnik | kobo deluxe also isn't too hard |
| 01:57.29 | pupnik | technoballz needs attention |
| 01:57.58 | pupnik | and (sob) ur-quan masters too, but i'm too far advanced to hand that over |
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| 01:58.35 | pupnik | mtpaint needs hildonization |
| 01:58.47 | pupnik | UAE needs scaling, pixel doubling, mouse tweaks |
| 01:59.08 | pupnik | C64 - Frodo needs a finished sdl UI, and/or a game launcher front-end |
| 01:59.27 | pupnik | DGEN could use an alignment fix or two |
| 01:59.35 | pupnik | FreeSCI needs optimization for N770 |
| 01:59.44 | pupnik | Xu4 needs sdl keyboard |
| 01:59.51 | pupnik | Nuvie has too many problems to list |
| 01:59.57 | pupnik | Exult i'm working on right now |
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| 02:00.10 | pupnik | Pentagram needs a dedicated porter/tweaker |
| 02:00.15 | pupnik | Xbak needs a core developer |
| 02:00.30 | pupnik | TOME needs a sdl keyboard and gtk or sdl rework |
| 02:00.35 | pupnik | ... ... |
| 02:01.23 | pupnik | Netrek deserves a port that works well, i made progress on it |
| 02:01.53 | pupnik | Secret Maryo chronicles needs speed tweaks and fixes from the newer opengl versions applied to the SDL version |
| 02:01.53 | esworp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.07 | pupnik | Pingus.. well that just needs packaging |
| 02:02.14 | pupnik | Worms of Prey needs a bunch of work |
| 02:02.20 | pupnik | Wormux needs a bunch of work |
| 02:02.34 | pupnik | TouchMe Games needs a gtk/hildon guy to rescale the game to 800x480 |
| 02:02.48 | pupnik | The Mana World needs a networking fix for 770 and packaging work |
| 02:02.55 | pupnik | Nazghul i'm working on right now |
| 02:03.01 | esworp | Cave Story would be a cool one, too. |
| 02:03.05 | pupnik | Fish Fillets, i don't even have a clue |
| 02:03.15 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software |
| 02:03.23 | johnx | pupnik, maybe you should actually post something to the dev section of internettablettalk asking for help? |
| 02:04.56 | pupnik | nah i post too much to ITT as it is |
| 02:05.42 | pupnik | but kudos to jott and solmuhaha the latest guys to jump-in to help |
| 02:05.55 | pupnik | (exult, dosbox and jagged alliance 2) |
| 02:06.01 | pupnik | and also pipeline |
| 02:09.12 | pupnik | then i've got another project i've promised to release 2 months after getting the n810 |
| 02:09.21 | pupnik | then another project i can't say ANYTHING about |
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| 02:31.57 | esworp | http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/ |
| 02:32.38 | esworp | Check the poor guy's bitch sesh about os2008 near the bottom. |
| 02:34.17 | pupnik | is he a person who doesn't like freedom? |
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| 02:34.47 | pupnik | i.e. an ape in a cage who throws his fecal matter at the free humans walking outside of his cage? |
| 02:34.56 | johnx | pupnik, what? |
| 02:35.12 | pupnik | a lot of people defend their slavery |
| 02:35.25 | johnx | he ran into problems with OS2008 and so he switched back to OS2007 |
| 02:35.31 | pupnik | ho |
| 02:35.32 | pupnik | oh |
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| 02:35.35 | esworp | He must not be remebering the hellish heap memory issues of the newton, or rampant crashes on the palm. |
| 02:36.02 | johnx | I've actually been looking at some of those apps he wrote and thinking about trying to get them working on OS2008 |
| 02:36.05 | johnx | they look really nice |
| 02:36.35 | pupnik | you should try exult in a few days |
| 02:36.36 | esworp | That's the tragedy, eh? |
| 02:36.50 | pupnik | it's getting close to fun as hell |
| 02:37.07 | esworp | Exhult? |
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| 02:37.19 | esworp | Er exult. |
| 02:37.56 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Exult_Ultima_VII_Nokia_770_02.jpg |
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| 02:38.27 | esworp | Oh. Hell yah. |
| 02:38.42 | johnx | that looks great! |
| 02:38.59 | johnx | was there much of a trick to getting it running 800x480 instead of 640x480? |
| 02:39.05 | pupnik | no |
| 02:39.07 | pupnik | that's easy |
| 02:39.24 | pupnik | thanks to the awesome exult devs |
| 02:41.52 | acydlord | does anyone know if the palm centro works with bluetooth DUN on the n810 |
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| 02:58.38 | esworp | Has anyone ever tried to make a lefty-friendly change to our device? |
| 02:59.08 | johnx | I don't think anyone has tried...just asked if other people have tried :) |
| 02:59.48 | esworp | My only real gripe. :\ |
| 02:59.54 | Navi | Heh |
| 03:00.31 | Navi | What's some of the things that bug you? |
| 03:02.40 | esworp | The builtin email app sucks. |
| 03:03.07 | esworp | There's no good harrd case for the unit. |
| 03:03.18 | johnx | esworp, for email you should really use modest... |
| 03:03.21 | Navi | I ment, for lefties. |
| 03:03.35 | johnx | ah |
| 03:03.43 | esworp | Well. I like modest, but it isn't integrated. |
| 03:04.11 | johnx | it can autocheck mail which is all I really care about |
| 03:04.30 | johnx | it will be so nice when they finally kill off the old email app and we can all just forget about it... |
| 03:04.30 | Navi | Using built-in stuff always bothers me |
| 03:04.50 | esworp | For lefties: when stylus texting, the suggested words show up where i would normally hit the space bar. |
| 03:05.32 | esworp | Scroll bars should be able to hop over, as should the side menu thingy |
| 03:06.05 | esworp | Scrolling a page or doc stinks, since my hand is in the way. |
| 03:06.06 | johnx | the sidebar with the icon-menus might be possible to swtich with some amount of work |
| 03:06.22 | johnx | I don't see how to do scroll bars |
| 03:06.41 | acydlord | a left handed kernel would be nice lol |
| 03:07.03 | esworp | Heh. |
| 03:07.09 | Navi | If I had one, I honestly doubt I'd use a stylus too |
| 03:07.12 | johnx | so I end up using it in an 'ambidextrous' style where whatever thumb is closest gets to type/click |
| 03:07.20 | johnx | no stylus here either :) |
| 03:07.21 | Navi | I never use it for mah DS, too lazy. |
| 03:09.22 | esworp | The gpe stuff seems to expect a stylus. |
| 03:09.29 | johnx | yeah |
| 03:09.36 | johnx | I admit that I don't use it much |
| 03:09.50 | johnx | (all the GPE stuff came from devices where stylus was pretty much required) |
| 03:10.25 | esworp | Sure. And i forgive them. |
| 03:11.00 | smackpotato | i use the stylus i know any guy who cant preform with his fingers is in trouble but thats the way it goes |
| 03:11.12 | johnx | heh |
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| 04:16.11 | |R | i just upgraded gmail notifier and got my login to work again but both failed at the same time and dist-upgrade doesn't show a fix for mnotify |
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| 04:55.43 | EruditeHermit | johnx: hey, do you have openoffice working on your debian port? |
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| 05:28.27 | Tama^2 | notes or meamopad+ |
| 05:28.57 | hfwilke | either will live on the desktop? |
| 05:29.12 | Tama^2 | neither |
| 05:29.23 | hfwilke | oh |
| 05:30.17 | hfwilke | hoping for something that would have a desktop applet |
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| 08:12.33 | tin_ | Free cluster summary wrong (999596 vs. really 192100) |
| 08:12.41 | tin_ | slight difference there |
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| 08:25.55 | X-Fade | Morning all. |
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| 08:26.36 | douthat | how do you get the ip address on an n800 (with os 2008. I also have xterm installed. I tried ifconfig, but that doesn't exist) |
| 08:26.54 | Proteous | ipconfig |
| 08:27.09 | douthat | also not there |
| 08:27.14 | X-Fade | douthat: menu -> settings -> connection manager |
| 08:27.46 | b0unc3 | douthat: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:28.00 | X-Fade | douthat: Then open the menu in connection manager, internet connection -> IP address |
| 08:28.01 | douthat | it only says WLAN, signal strench, "connected" received, sent duration |
| 08:28.35 | douthat | b0unc3: X-Fade: thanks :) |
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| 09:13.30 | tin_ | heh |
| 09:14.06 | timely | tin_: cute |
| 09:15.12 | timely | tin_: is this the difference between 2000MB and 2048MB? :) |
| 09:15.20 | timely | that'd be really amusing :) |
| 09:15.25 | X-Fade | timely: Hmm it doesn't look like that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade.. |
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| 09:15.59 | tin_ | timely: i don't think it's quite that neat |
| 09:16.05 | timely | tin_: are you sure? |
| 09:16.25 | timely | it seems fairly close |
| 09:16.46 | timely | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%284013848-3932160%29%2F2%2F1000&btnG=Search |
| 09:16.48 | X-Fade | tin_: I think you can fix it with fdisk. But I agree that it is pretty bad.. |
| 09:16.51 | hrw | morning |
| 09:16.52 | timely | 40 ~ 48 |
| 09:19.43 | X-Fade | 4014079 * 512 == 2055208448 !== Disk /dev/sda: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes |
| 09:20.47 | tin_ | 4194304 512-byte blocks would be exactly 4GB in the (1024*1024) sense |
| 09:23.34 | hrw | ;D |
| 09:23.38 | timely | err |
| 09:24.11 | timely | 180,225 |
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| 09:26.50 | X-Fade | I wouldn't mind finding out that they have added a 16GB flash instead if 2GB ;) But I guess that will be a dream.. |
| 09:27.10 | timely | they don't seem to have more than 8gb flashes around |
| 09:27.21 | timely | see n81 8gb, n95 8gb, n810 8gb, ... |
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| 09:27.37 | timely | but it's a fairly silly gimmic imo |
| 09:27.38 | X-Fade | Yeah, seen those too.. |
| 09:27.47 | timely | you've seen that last one? :) |
| 09:28.02 | X-Fade | timely: Can't comment on that.. |
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| 09:28.51 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:28.54 | timely | hi |
| 09:29.14 | hrw | 8gb would be nice indeed |
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| 09:29.26 | timely | arg |
| 09:29.32 | hrw | timely: why? |
| 09:29.41 | X-Fade | Although 2 removable cards would be a lot better :) |
| 09:29.44 | timely | hrw: because nokia gave me an n81 8gb |
| 09:29.55 | hrw | timely: and? |
| 09:30.01 | timely | and i added 2.5g of map data in a couple of hours, and then 4gb of songs overnight |
| 09:30.07 | timely | and then my phone was full |
| 09:30.14 | timely | at which point, i can no longer do anything |
| 09:30.16 | timely | no upgrade path |
| 09:30.25 | timely | otoh, if i had an n81 w/ a slot |
| 09:30.33 | hrw | timely: 8gb instead of 2gb would be nice anyway |
| 09:30.37 | timely | i could later *buy* a 16gb micro sd card |
| 09:30.57 | hrw | sure |
| 09:31.02 | timely | hrw: maybe, i can't comment on that, but feel free to ask nokian's in 2009 how they feel about that |
| 09:31.09 | hrw | ;D |
| 09:32.27 | hrw | timely: many of them will change phone in 2009 |
| 09:32.50 | timely | keep in mind that you can't install software onto the 2gb partition |
| 09:33.33 | X-Fade | Not without some hacks.. |
| 09:33.36 | timely | now, it's true, someone could repartition a card so it had an ext2 volume |
| 09:33.45 | timely | but it still wouldn't help |
| 09:33.59 | timely | because a package will naturally install to directories under the standard paths |
| 09:34.03 | hrw | timely: format card into ext2/ext3 and symlink /usr/ to it |
| 09:34.10 | timely | and trying to relocate things would be painful |
| 09:34.10 | wumpus | using some symbolic links etc you could, I guess |
| 09:34.20 | timely | yes, symlinks aren't impossible |
| 09:34.26 | timely | but there are all sorts of hazards |
| 09:34.40 | wumpus | it's painful that's true |
| 09:34.48 | timely | can you even safely move /usr while the device is running? |
| 09:34.56 | wumpus | well not entire usr |
| 09:35.07 | wumpus | I'd suggest only moving and symlinking the files of the package |
| 09:35.13 | wumpus | not the entire usr :') |
| 09:35.38 | wumpus | it probably won't even boot anymore then |
| 09:35.40 | timely | wumpus: how, a global preinstall hook that creates symlinks into /media/native1/usr/package_name/lib ? |
| 09:35.52 | wumpus | timeless: sounds nice |
| 09:35.56 | timely | *before* the install process runs |
| 09:36.04 | timely | it might not be entirely impossible |
| 09:36.05 | hrw | or switch to boot from mmc |
| 09:36.07 | timely | but boy, that's scary |
| 09:36.17 | wumpus | well I'd just do it after |
| 09:36.40 | timely | wumpus: try that w/a 1/4gb app :) |
| 09:36.48 | timely | you're assuming that it's possible to make it install |
| 09:36.53 | timely | otoh, that'd probably fail anyway |
| 09:37.07 | timely | because i'd expect apt-* to say "hrm, i don't think there's enough space here" |
| 09:37.23 | timely | because, how would it know that things would be diverted |
| 09:37.34 | wumpus | well, apt stuff is open source |
| 09:37.41 | timely | sure |
| 09:37.43 | wumpus | so I guess you could just patch it to install to your alternative path |
| 09:37.48 | timely | so is hildon-application-manager |
| 09:37.49 | wumpus | and even make the symlinks itself |
| 09:38.10 | timely | have fun :) |
| 09:38.17 | hrw | I wonder why they did not added that 2GB as normal flash |
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| 09:38.23 | timely | packages are delivered as joinable file systems |
| 09:38.30 | wumpus | well I never felt the need to install such big apps on the device |
| 09:38.58 | wumpus | when I start to need, I might consider it |
| 09:39.03 | timely | hrw: the goal is to support plugging into windows boxes |
| 09:39.21 | wumpus | the biggest packages I've seen are some games, but those usually have configurable paths for the data files |
| 09:39.22 | hrw | that 256M flash comes from cpu core so thats why they use it |
| 09:39.39 | hrw | timely: many of nokia goals are insane ;D |
| 09:39.42 | timely | wumpus: how big are eclipse and openoffice? :) |
| 09:39.47 | timely | hrw: no comment |
| 09:40.16 | wumpus | eclipse haha, you'd first have to install java too |
| 09:40.26 | timely | actually |
| 09:40.29 | hrw | timely: I am very dissapointed about lack of any i18n support |
| 09:40.33 | timely | java might not need -x |
| 09:40.37 | timely | hrw: eh? |
| 09:40.40 | timely | in what? |
| 09:40.47 | timely | the browser supports it if you install fonts |
| 09:40.47 | wumpus | but who the hell would want to run eclipse on it |
| 09:40.52 | wumpus | or openoffice for that matter |
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| 09:41.19 | wumpus | if you start it it'd probably finished initializing by next week :) |
| 09:41.40 | timely | hey, i remember people who talked about bsd's where the install process took weeks |
| 09:41.41 | hrw | timely: try to install own hardware keyboard layout |
| 09:41.51 | hrw | timely: or virtual keyboard |
| 09:42.03 | timely | hrw: istr someone had a hebrew layout for the device |
| 09:42.25 | hrw | timely: which replace one of available ones |
| 09:42.32 | timely | > Copy the file he_IL.vkb from http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/heb/he_IL.vkb to /usr/share/keyboards. Then he_IL is added to the list of available languages for the keyboard. |
| 09:42.46 | timely | hrw: really? |
| 09:43.47 | timely | (my 770 has an interesting splash screen) |
| 09:43.59 | hrw | ok, then maybe virtual ones are better |
| 09:44.33 | timely | i haven't looked at the hardware layouts |
| 09:44.38 | timely | i'm fairly certain i really don't want to |
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| 09:45.36 | hrw | timely: you live in .fi so you have the luck to be supported |
| 09:45.47 | timely | um |
| 09:46.24 | hrw | timely: dont tell that you work on control panel i18n parts |
| 09:46.40 | timely | fwiw, it took nokia longer to get n810s for its employees than it did to get them to 95% of the 500 maemo awardies |
| 09:46.57 | X-Fade | timely: Will visit .fi next week ;) |
| 09:47.05 | jku | timely: he means it. don't tell him that :) |
| 09:47.10 | hrw | timely: I decided to not comment maemo dev program |
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| 09:48.24 | timely | hrw: i work on browser, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ |
| 09:48.29 | timely | jku: ? |
| 09:49.37 | jku | timely, hrw has been a bit grumpy about the i18n situation on maemo... |
| 09:49.56 | hrw | it basically suxx |
| 09:50.29 | timely | hrw: it could be worse |
| 09:50.42 | hrw | timely: lack of i18n would be better |
| 09:50.42 | timely | you could look at how the IMEs interact w/ the browser |
| 09:50.53 | timely | now, that's a crime |
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| 09:52.00 | hrw | ? |
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| 09:52.47 | timely | hrw: ever used japanese IMEs w/ firefox |
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| 09:53.22 | timely | i was using one yesterday, i think i was in katakana input mode |
| 09:53.39 | timely | basically in this mode, you can type a couple of letters before a character is sent to an application |
| 09:53.42 | maddler | hi all! |
| 09:54.01 | timely | and it basically just works in firefox |
| 09:54.07 | timely | but from my understanding of what we've done |
| 09:54.25 | timely | instead of having the IMEs that maemo uses (esp the ones that have completion) use this feature |
| 09:54.37 | |tbb| | morning |
| 09:54.40 | timely | we collect "keypresses" from them, and try to "inject" them into places |
| 09:54.48 | timely | based on where we think they can go |
| 09:54.58 | timely | if we get the logic wrong, you can't type at all, into e.g., gmail |
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| 09:56.25 | hrw | timely: to tell the true I do not care too much how it is done if it works |
| 09:56.46 | hrw | timely: thats why Polish hardware keyboard layout will replace Finnish one |
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| 10:01.54 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 10:06.37 | timely | hrw: well, "it doesn't work" |
| 10:08.14 | hahlo | how would you guys wipe your sd-cards? just little tha card doesn't broke but enough that not every home undele return files? |
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| 10:11.17 | pupnik_ | hahlo: just write junk data to the card |
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| 10:11.44 | pupnik_ | cat /dev/zero > the card's device |
| 10:12.17 | hahlo | pupnik_: that easier than full wipe? |
| 10:12.44 | pupnik_ | i don't understand |
| 10:12.55 | hahlo | wipe is program |
| 10:13.01 | tin_ | with some forethought, all you have to do is delete your encryption key... |
| 10:13.25 | timely | pupnik_: won't that fail for the case where sectors are rewritten/moved? |
| 10:13.29 | hahlo | you do wipe -kq /dev/sdaX |
| 10:14.21 | pupnik_ | timely: possibly yes if you have multiple partitions |
| 10:14.48 | pupnik_ | hahlo: well, i don't think a hard disk wiping program makes sense for flash memory |
| 10:15.07 | timely | acid is probably cheaper |
| 10:15.08 | hahlo | yeah that I ment |
| 10:15.09 | tin_ | pupnik: wear leveling makes it nearly impossible to wipe a flash device |
| 10:15.14 | hahlo | too hard |
| 10:15.19 | johnx | firecracker is cheapest |
| 10:18.51 | j0tt | chewing and digesting is even cheaper (it may even saves you one meal) |
| 10:19.22 | timely | is the gold safe? |
| 10:20.27 | johnx | j0tt, ah, you're here. Quick question: Do you remember what you had to copy over from ITOS to get the buttons working in X? I must be being dense about this or something, but I still can't figure it out... |
| 10:21.09 | j0tt | johnx: erm.. did not work out a proper solution. it helped to restart dbus and hal. |
| 10:21.23 | johnx | but you said something about dbus and xkb? |
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| 10:23.06 | Romeus | hello |
| 10:23.14 | j0tt | erm.. yeah you need the xkbdata deb from os2008 |
| 10:23.22 | j0tt | and.. |
| 10:23.41 | johnx | hi Romeus |
| 10:23.47 | Romeus | so I managed to get my Saitek P880 gamepad working with gngeo and snes9x :) |
| 10:24.07 | Romeus | no need for a hub either which is nice :) |
| 10:24.53 | Romeus | is anybody working on DrPocketSNES or picodrive (cyclone)? if so what's the status? |
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| 10:25.28 | j0tt | johnx: i guess /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi |
| 10:25.42 | johnx | ah! great |
| 10:26.04 | j0tt | (afair there is a *keyboard.fdi in the default debian hal that has a similar rule so i guess this has to be removed) |
| 10:26.17 | j0tt | or extended by the stuff in there |
| 10:26.37 | j0tt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.45 | j0tt | basically this match i guess |
| 10:26.46 | Romeus | anyway to get gngeo to play completely full screen (without the screen buttons)? |
| 10:26.47 | johnx | I think it just tricked me because it was called vkb... |
| 10:27.42 | j0tt | ah i needed to call setxkbmap after restarting hal.. ..but i guess this are all clear pieces of the puzzle ;) |
| 10:28.15 | johnx | j0tt, any clue helps :) |
| 10:28.16 | j0tt | (for getting the correct layout eg. Fn keys working but that only applies to N810) |
| 10:29.06 | j0tt | still not clear why the keyboard seems to be registered so late (as the restart if hal/dbus helped) |
| 10:29.12 | j0tt | of |
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| 10:42.21 | lardman | morning |
| 10:42.26 | johnx | mornin' |
| 10:42.36 | Romeus | g'morning |
| 10:42.55 | lardman | lots of people awake today :) |
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| 11:00.42 | fugitivo | morning |
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| 11:10.25 | maddler | hi |
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| 11:35.35 | wwp | anyone using qt4/qmake in maemo-sdk vmware? |
| 11:38.34 | lardman | hrw: the maemo https repo is complaining when bitbake tries to download a file for fonctconfig, is it possible to add an extra command to the wget (or whatever it is) command that bitbake uses? |
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| 11:39.18 | hrw | lardman: broken ssl certificate one? |
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| 11:40.29 | hrw | lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) |
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| 11:50.39 | lardman | hrw: no it says something about if you want anonymous downloads to add some switch to the command |
| 11:50.48 | lardman | hrw: thanks I'll take a look at those |
| 11:51.17 | hrw | lardman: you mean svn repos? |
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| 12:00.34 | lardman | hrw: no it's an https download |
| 12:01.08 | lardman | http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.4.1.bb |
| 12:01.22 | lardman | SRC_URI += "https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h" |
| 12:01.48 | lardman | well there's something svn in there, but the download isn't done using svn |
| 12:01.59 | lardman | or is it? |
| 12:02.09 | hrw | lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) then |
| 12:02.23 | hrw | lardman: or fetch by hand and put in dl_dir |
| 12:02.30 | lardman | ok, will do (I just downloaded and created the .md5 file for the time being) |
| 12:02.35 | lardman | ah yes |
| 12:02.48 | hrw | ~lart maemo.org for using crap SSL certificate |
| 12:02.48 | infobot | puts maemo.org through a wood chipper for using crap SSL certificate |
| 12:02.59 | lardman | :) |
| 12:04.02 | inz | ~lart lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves |
| 12:04.02 | infobot | send killer squirrels to attack lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves |
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| 12:08.19 | hrw | ~lart maemo for crappy i18n support |
| 12:08.19 | infobot | says "boot to the head" and knocks maemo over for crappy i18n support |
| 12:08.28 | hrw | ~botsnack |
| 12:08.28 | infobot | :), hrw |
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| 12:10.31 | kpel | hi all |
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| 12:20.32 | lardman | jku: that itt discussion would be much easier online |
| 12:21.02 | jku | lardman, oh yeah |
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| 12:24.48 | lardman | I wonder if my iBlue GPS produces almanac data... |
| 12:25.00 | lardman | then we could compare that data with the contents of nvd_data |
| 12:26.59 | lardman | no, it appears not |
| 12:27.26 | jku | I believe my Nokia LD-3W does not -- not surprising as it's not useful for 99.999% of users |
| 12:28.36 | lardman | I have a serial gps from a long while back, trying to remember the name, that had lots of config options iirc |
| 12:28.55 | lardman | nice to be 0.001% :) |
| 12:33.50 | lardman | hmm, haicom 203 sounds familiar |
| 12:36.16 | lardman | nope, it doesn't do it either :( |
| 12:38.59 | lardman | but even if the almanac doesn't come out as a standard NMEA sentance, it could be triggered by one of the proprietary commands |
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| 12:39.21 | lardman | That appears to be the case for this Garmin: http://www8.garmin.com/support/pdf/NMEA_0183.pdf |
| 12:39.28 | lardman | p7 |
| 12:41.50 | michele_ | jku: regarding your GPS fix, I don't know if this is of any use, but there's one thing that for sure is working differently |
| 12:42.29 | michele_ | jku: with your fix, the sky map in maemo mapper gps details showed the last known satellites positions correctly |
| 12:42.52 | michele_ | with the original version, it does not, it's blank every time |
| 12:43.01 | michele_ | until it got the fix |
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| 12:43.41 | lardman | the gps_last_fixed_position file (is that name right) contains the fix information that is displayed, it may also contain the satellite info |
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| 12:45.05 | lardman | is this file written by gpsd? |
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| 12:47.06 | jku | lardman, that's what Jukka R said |
| 12:47.33 | jku | but that file is not fed to the chip |
| 12:48.23 | lardman | It's basically one of the gpsd structures written to disk I believe |
| 12:48.41 | jku | right, and available from liblocation IIRC. |
| 12:48.43 | lardman | he did say that the nvd_data file contains the almanac/ephemeris though |
| 12:48.54 | lardman | or perhaps didn't say, hinted |
| 12:49.24 | lardman | did you see my last post? I imagine that the almanac data is constantly updated to produce a smaller set of ephemeris alterations, but don't know |
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| 12:50.52 | jku | possible |
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| 12:54.21 | GnutoN810 | hi |
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| 12:57.46 | lardman | interesting technical details: http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/gps/gps_survey/principles_gps.htm |
| 13:01.02 | lardman | ah ha, historical almanac data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpshistory/ looks like it changes from day to day |
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| 13:27.35 | pupnik | i feel bad for the miscommuications with the nokia stores |
| 13:28.01 | hrw | pupnik: nokia stores... argh |
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| 13:28.30 | pupnik | apparently they charged 0 euro in france and germany but meant to charge 99 euro |
| 13:28.34 | pupnik | but that's not my mistake |
| 13:28.54 | hrw | people which have no idea which nokia products exists |
| 13:29.26 | hrw | and add to that fragmentation of market done by nokia |
| 13:29.39 | hrw | 'we do not plan to sell tablets in your country' |
| 13:29.41 | hrw | etc |
| 13:29.46 | pupnik | :/ |
| 13:29.59 | pupnik | which country hrw? |
| 13:30.12 | hrw | Poland |
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| 13:41.59 | Navi | Gah, I get Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! when I run scratchbox :( |
| 13:42.26 | inz | Navi, sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled' |
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| 13:43.26 | Navi | Works :D |
| 13:44.18 | hrw | ~curse n810 flas method |
| 13:44.19 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n810 flas method ! |
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| 13:44.47 | johnx | hrw, what's wrong with the method for flashing the N810? |
| 13:45.06 | johnx | their is an "onboard" flasher as well IIRC, |
| 13:45.16 | hrw | johnx: it is "plug usb, poweroff, hold home, connect power" - right? |
| 13:45.37 | johnx | right, but I don't think you actually need to hold home these days |
| 13:45.59 | michele_ | and you don't need to connect power either, I think |
| 13:46.11 | johnx | yes, that too |
| 13:46.31 | hrw | and you do not get any information that device reponds |
| 13:46.52 | johnx | ?? |
| 13:47.01 | johnx | flasher prints out diagnostics and progress |
| 13:47.03 | jku | hrw, what do you mean? |
| 13:47.15 | hrw | at least my n810 stays black in such situation or I am doing something wrong |
| 13:47.41 | jku | ahh, on the device. You may be right |
| 13:47.42 | johnx | The N810 should turn on and show the "USB" symbol in the upper right corner of the screen |
| 13:47.53 | johnx | at least my N800 does |
| 13:47.58 | hrw | johnx: I know - I flashed it twice |
| 13:48.09 | johnx | and it didn't show anything?! |
| 13:48.11 | johnx | that's pretty weird |
| 13:48.31 | hrw | but my n810 also likes to not power on after power off and like to not show 'charging' when is off and charger is connected |
| 13:48.38 | lardman|home | hrw: you got power connected? |
| 13:48.45 | hrw | lardman|home: yes |
| 13:49.01 | lardman|home | hmm, sounds not too good |
| 13:49.14 | hrw | now I took battery off, wait, inserted, connected power and wait until it react with 'charging' info |
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| 13:49.44 | hrw | lardman|home: (not too good)^2 due to fact that tablets are not supported here (Poland) |
| 13:49.47 | harobed | hi, are there ekiga like on maemo ? |
| 13:49.53 | harobed | I've n800 with 2007 OS |
| 13:49.56 | lardman|home | I would go with: unplug power (so that is really does switch off); switch off; plug usb; plug power; hey presto |
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| 13:50.41 | lardman|home | hrw: is your battery very low? |
| 13:50.43 | X-Fade | I had to patch the flasher to get it to work on Ubunty Feisty/Hardy.. |
| 13:50.44 | inz | harobed, the built in messaging system supports SIP |
| 13:51.15 | inz | harobed, err, on 2007 you need the rtcom update to get SIP support |
| 13:52.08 | Navi | Is sb-menu supposed to look like it hangs when I run it? |
| 13:52.10 | hrw | lardman|home: it was charging for quite long time so should not be |
| 13:52.11 | harobed | how can I press number key ? |
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| 13:52.32 | harobed | rtcom ? ok |
| 13:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Holding home was actually never a requirement of the flashing process. |
| 13:52.48 | GeneralAntilles | It may just make the timing a little easier. |
| 13:53.06 | hrw | N810: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N810 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button |
| 13:53.13 | hrw | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 13:53.23 | hrw | so let someone edit that page to make it clear |
| 13:53.26 | lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: You sure; I thought that if the device had not actually switched off (kernel running due to charging) that pressing the home key was required to get the kernel to restart |
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| 13:53.30 | inz | harobed, the 2007 information doesn't seem to be on the webpage (http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org) anymore |
| 13:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | OK, if you follow the flashing instructions and unplug it and turn it off. ;) |
| 13:54.04 | inz | harobed, this is probably the deb you need to install: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/osso-rtcom-installer_0.2_armel.deb |
| 13:54.19 | harobed | how can I backup all data of my n800 before upgrade it to OS2008 ? |
| 13:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's, start flasher, plug in USB, turn on. |
| 13:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | With the Backup/Restore tool. |
| 13:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | But restoring backed up settings from OS2007 can have ill effects. |
| 13:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly to do with Opera -> MicroB |
| 13:55.08 | hrw | looks like it will have to wait until I go to UK next time |
| 13:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, holding home isn't a bad step |
| 13:55.18 | harobed | Backup/Restore tool can do backup to usb storage ? (linux) |
| 13:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | it's just not really a necessary one. |
| 13:55.41 | hrw | as Polish official Nokia service at least once refused to repair n800 |
| 13:55.53 | lardman|home | hrw: Someone's fiddled with the dbus urls |
| 13:55.54 | GeneralAntilles | I hardly see how holding one extra button could be construed as something to split hairs over. |
| 13:56.16 | hrw | lardman|home: report bug? |
| 13:56.28 | lardman|home | hrw: will do |
| 13:56.39 | inz | harobed, the backup tool does backup onto a memory card |
| 13:56.40 | hrw | lardman|home: best will be with patch of course ;D |
| 13:56.54 | lardman|home | yeah |
| 13:56.58 | lardman|home | :) |
| 13:58.07 | hrw | one more question then |
| 13:58.51 | hrw | how much time should n810 spend between 'put battery back, put cover, plug charger' and 'give info on screen that charging is in progress'? |
| 13:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | 30 seconds-ish? |
| 13:59.31 | lardman|home | anything up to ~10s I'd say |
| 13:59.37 | lardman|home | 30s sounds ok too |
| 13:59.49 | hrw | what would you say on 3 minutes and nothing? |
| 14:00.00 | lardman|home | probably unprintable |
| 14:00.06 | lardman|home | will it boot? |
| 14:00.14 | johnx | sounds like some of the other power problems people have been having... |
| 14:00.33 | hrw | lardman|home: no reaction to power key |
| 14:00.48 | |tbb| | lardman, is it you with the gpsfix which is on maemo.org |
| 14:01.20 | lardman|home | |tbb|: no |
| 14:01.25 | lardman|home | |tbb|: you got an url for that? |
| 14:01.33 | lardman|home | hrw: doesn't sound too good |
| 14:01.34 | hrw | johnx: bug 2673 one? |
| 14:01.47 | hrw | lardman|home: I know |
| 14:01.56 | hrw | lardman|home: all works ok until device is off |
| 14:02.06 | hrw | lardman|home: then it can take hours to get it on |
| 14:02.52 | hrw | lardman|home: my few years old Zaurus with nearly dead battery works better |
| 14:03.31 | harobed | to install rtcomm, I need evolution-data-server (=1.4.2.1.r554-3) |
| 14:03.32 | X-Fade | hrw: It seems that that is a timing error problem in the bootloader.. |
| 14:03.37 | johnx | hrw, heck my collie works better. :) |
| 14:03.37 | harobed | where can I get it ? |
| 14:04.04 | lardman|home | hrw: There's talk of this on ITT, though I've not looked at it at all |
| 14:04.20 | lardman|home | hrw: where was the device from? which country? |
| 14:04.27 | hrw | lardman|home: UK |
| 14:04.31 | johnx | hrw, yes, that bug is the one I was thinking of and a thread on ITT that the bug references |
| 14:04.38 | hrw | hardware version 0805 or 0806 |
| 14:05.03 | lardman|home | hrw: well if you decide to get Nokia to look at it I'm happy to be the intermediary |
| 14:05.40 | K-Fox | tell me how to set usbnetworking . n800 <--->winxp my os is maemo 2008 |
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| 14:06.22 | K-Fox | i am trying to connect for three day |
| 14:06.22 | |tbb| | lardman: http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/i-failed/ |
| 14:06.51 | lardman|home | hmm, mine's build 0801 |
| 14:07.00 | K-Fox | i dont know it at all...... |
| 14:07.20 | lardman|home | |tbb|: that's jku |
| 14:07.56 | |tbb| | will this fix help for anything |
| 14:08.30 | lardman|home | |tbb|: the leap year fix, but not the lock times |
| 14:09.45 | lardman|home | hrw: patch to bug tracker or mailing list? |
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| 14:10.00 | hrw | bugtracker |
| 14:10.04 | lardman|home | k |
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| 14:12.02 | hrw | hi Rodrigo |
| 14:12.17 | X-Fade | I have a hardware revision 0805 and no power problems. |
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| 14:15.12 | lardman|home | yet.... :) |
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| 14:15.39 | X-Fade | Hehe ;) At least I know it is a race condition ;) |
| 14:15.46 | lardman|home | Anyone fancy hosting an EO built repo? |
| 14:15.54 | lardman|home | OE even |
| 14:15.54 | X-Fade | You can always put the device in the freezer to fix it.. |
| 14:16.09 | GeneralAntilles | This cracks me up: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=139397&postcount=10 |
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| 14:22.25 | inz | johnx, now you can drain your battery watchin pertty savers! |
| 14:22.40 | johnx | I'll just have it run on ac only |
| 14:22.52 | johnx | should be possible to get that info out of dbus without too much of a fight |
| 14:23.09 | jku | we need a seti@home client |
| 14:23.15 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 14:23.27 | johnx | I ran distributed.net on both my zauruses for a while |
| 14:23.28 | mwaldron | heh |
| 14:24.44 | hrw | I wonder how many n8x0 will not be able to be flashed with fixed images |
| 14:26.27 | lardman|home | anyone out there who has just done, or can do a quick gps fix? |
| 14:26.32 | lardman|home | on an n810 that is |
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| 14:26.42 | ol_schoola | morning/g'day all, what's the easy way to keep contacts synced with Thunderbird addressbook? n800 with os2008, stock contacts at the mo but will tru gpe if easy |
| 14:26.56 | lardman|home | I'd like to compare the nvd_data files created at the same time but different locations |
| 14:27.00 | hrw | lardman|home: when mine will power I can put it near window to get fix |
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| 14:27.22 | lardman|home | hrw: the battery on mine will probably go flat before it gets a fix ;D |
| 14:27.23 | X-Fade | lardman|home: I'll start now :) |
| 14:27.35 | lardman|home | X-Fade: thanks, where are you? |
| 14:27.42 | X-Fade | lardman|home: NL |
| 14:27.57 | lardman|home | X-Fade: cool, just about far enough away from the UK |
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| 14:28.23 | lardman|home | though it would be interesting to get a fix from someone else in the UK who's seeing the same satellites |
| 14:28.58 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Yeah, but maybe you can still find some things that are the same. |
| 14:30.02 | lardman|home | X-Fade: yep, almanac should be the same everywhere |
| 14:30.40 | dphil9000 | macromedia-flashplayer stopped working in microb on my n810. Web sites no longer detect flash installed. Can i debug the issue? The app info in application manager says it can't be ininstalled due to dependencies. |
| 14:31.04 | dphil9000 | Uninstalled |
| 14:31.24 | lardman|home | dphil9000: start it from the command line and look for output? |
| 14:31.39 | dphil9000 | Command? |
| 14:32.58 | hrw | lardman|home: Rolf was faster then me with dbus patch ;D |
| 14:33.26 | lardman|home | thanks to both :) |
| 14:33.56 | lardman|home | dphil9000: no idea, take a look in the .desktop file, or start it and then see what it's called using ps from the command line, etc. |
| 14:34.50 | johnx | I completely forgot about webcollage :D |
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| 14:35.17 | johnx | this is the greatest screensaver for the N8x0 ever when it's just sitting on a desk charging |
| 14:35.25 | dphil9000 | Ok found /usr/bin/browser |
| 14:35.32 | |tbb| | dbus patch? have i missed something? |
| 14:35.50 | hrw | |tbb|: for OpenEmbedded |
| 14:36.10 | lardman|home | |tbb|: For the OE metadata which I'm using to build debs for the n810 |
| 14:36.12 | hrw | |tbb|: OE fetch sources from upstream not from source archive |
| 14:36.56 | dphil9000 | No errors, youtube just has the no flash player message on the page |
| 14:37.05 | hrw | ~curse QA nokia division |
| 14:37.05 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, QA nokia division ! |
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| 14:37.30 | dphil9000 | It's like it's not finding the .so plugin |
| 14:37.45 | lardman|home | dphil9000: it would tell you so if that were the problem |
| 14:37.50 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Still no fix ;) |
| 14:38.19 | lardman|home | X-Fade: nope, but I had to restart as maemo-mapper is playing silly buggers and keeps researching for the gps |
| 14:39.09 | X-Fade | I see 4 satellites too, but it doesn't fix for me.. |
| 14:39.25 | dphil9000 | Can i find the plugin directory? |
| 14:40.19 | X-Fade | 1/7 2/0 1/1 and 0/3, what ever that means :) (in Map) |
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| 14:46.37 | dphil9000 | Found ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.st |
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| 14:47.17 | dphil9000 | And ~/.mozilla/plugins/disabled |
| 14:47.28 | dphil9000 | A clue? |
| 14:48.48 | dphil9000 | I wonder what the .st extension is and why there's a file named disabled |
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| 14:49.41 | dphil9000 | Perhaps i'll start renaming things ... |
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| 14:51.35 | X-Fade | lardman|home: I have a 5 satellite fix. Strange thing is, my nvd_data hasn't been updated since yesterday.. |
| 14:52.43 | K-Fox | it's difficult to set usb networking ,n800 <--->winxp os2008? |
| 14:54.43 | johnx | K-Fox, yes, it seems that way. People on internettablettalk.com/forums see to be having problems getting it to work. Maybe you should ask there? |
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| 15:08.22 | braddbr | anyone know where to find gdb for os2008? |
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| 15:10.57 | inz | braddbr, repository.maemo.orG? |
| 15:10.59 | inz | -case |
| 15:11.17 | lardman | X-Fade: sorry, didn't mean to be rude; my keyboard failed |
| 15:11.33 | X-Fade | lardman: Hehe, that must suck :) |
| 15:12.06 | lardman | yeah, I was copying and pasting letters from the history to say as much, then realised I couldn't paste 0x13 |
| 15:12.26 | hrw | ok, finally n810 recognized charger |
| 15:12.34 | braddbr | oops, blind me.. sorry |
| 15:12.55 | lardman | X-Fade: do you had a fix, and when you shutdown the gps nvd_data hasn't changed? |
| 15:13.13 | X-Fade | lardman: No, I didn't realise it saved on close :) |
| 15:14.03 | X-Fade | I have 2 nvd_data files. Same position, 1 day between them.. |
| 15:16.27 | lardman | would you mind sharing them? |
| 15:16.36 | hrw | BUM.. charger out, n810 dead again. charger in and no reaction |
| 15:17.04 | lardman | very strange |
| 15:17.13 | lardman | still not booting? |
| 15:17.22 | hrw | booted |
| 15:17.25 | hrw | now |
| 15:17.38 | solmumaha | charger broken? |
| 15:19.58 | lardman | X-Fade: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Nokia770/GPS/ is mine |
| 15:20.17 | hrw | solmumaha: charger is ok - from nokia770 |
| 15:20.39 | hrw | solmumaha: n810 one is UK one so I prefer to not use it |
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| 15:22.02 | hrw | now time to flash my kernel... |
| 15:23.59 | hrw | flashed. now will it boot it or not ;D |
| 15:26.50 | hrw | Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (hrw@maluch) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #1 Thu Feb 7 15:37:55 CET 2008 |
| 15:26.55 | hrw | nice :D |
| 15:27.12 | lardman | why the homebrew kernel? |
| 15:28.00 | hrw | lardman: because I can? |
| 15:28.08 | lardman | :) just wondering |
| 15:28.29 | johnx | what did you add to the kernel hrw? |
| 15:28.30 | hrw | lardman: sooner or later Poky will land (at least for testing) on it |
| 15:28.42 | hrw | johnx: compared to maemo one? nothing |
| 15:28.51 | johnx | ah, just a test compile? |
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| 15:30.21 | hrw | I probably will add 2.6.21.laststable and CFS backport later |
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| 15:43.53 | jku | lardman, if you want another nvd_data: http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/nvd_data/20080207-jku.2 That's from 14:56 UTC |
| 15:45.07 | lardman | jku: thanks |
| 15:45.36 | hrw | lardman: how to get nvd_data for you? |
| 15:45.56 | lardman | hrw: get a fix, then shut down the gps so it saves the file (/var/lib/gps/) |
| 15:46.08 | lardman | jku: you in Finland? |
| 15:46.09 | hrw | ok |
| 15:46.18 | jku | yes |
| 15:46.41 | lardman | ok |
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| 15:47.24 | lardman | am going to try some comparison with these data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpsstat.html format here: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/gpssem.htm |
| 15:48.43 | lardman | might be worth making note of the satellites in view when you shutdown too |
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| 15:50.12 | hrw | lardman: this file has also older entries? |
| 15:50.39 | jku | hrw no they all seem to get written |
| 15:50.49 | hrw | lardman: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/nvd_data-hrw is mine (now no fix) |
| 15:52.10 | johnx | hmm...has anyone run alsamixer on in OS2008? |
| 15:54.04 | lardman | hrw: that's the file with no fix at all? |
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| 15:56.31 | hrw | lardman: if this file has history then it had a fix and track |
| 15:56.47 | hrw | cause now it see 1-2 sattelites only |
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| 15:57.50 | jku | I assume it only gets written after a fix, check the timestamp |
| 16:00.51 | hrw | Feb 6 12:44 |
| 16:00.56 | hrw | I was at home then |
| 16:02.06 | lardman | I'm guessing from X-Fade's data here, he's had an extra section of 0x00's removed (~224 bytes worth) which I'm thinking might be because he's seen an extra satellite on this fix |
| 16:03.06 | jku | if you take a look at my two fixes, one has lot more data in B1 also |
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| 16:09.28 | K-Fox | where is evince of os2008 (offline file)? |
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| 16:11.42 | johnx | K-Fox, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/evince_2.21.1-1.maemo4_armel.deb |
| 16:12.41 | hrw | small question: how many n810 have good partition size on internal card? |
| 16:12.59 | lardman | the first section is 3457 bytes long |
| 16:13.06 | K-Fox | johnx : wow thanks you~~~ |
| 16:13.07 | hrw | here is was 1999206 instead of 1962220 |
| 16:13.13 | lardman | 3457/12 (max viewable satellites) ~= 288 |
| 16:15.36 | K-Fox | it is out message to be able to downroad this files |
| 16:16.08 | K-Fox | it works |
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| 16:17.06 | jku | lardman, I believe there is a short header |
| 16:17.56 | lardman | yep, so that's not too far off the ~224 bytes that changed for X-Fade |
| 16:19.12 | jku | lardman 29 bytes (or 2 digit numbers anyway) in the beginning, with only one change: |
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| 16:19.54 | jku | 06 -> 0E |
| 16:21.00 | lardman | meeting, bbiab |
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| 16:33.53 | K-Fox | i need some packages missing to install evince (libdjvulibre15,libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) |
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| 16:34.07 | K-Fox | where is package site? |
| 16:44.50 | lardman | am I being really stupid? Where is BUFSIZ declared in osso-gpsd? |
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| 16:45.08 | lardman | or defined even |
| 16:45.33 | Alendit_ | hey, is it possible to set up mplayer to open my media files by default? |
| 16:46.51 | ywwg | does gstreamer discoverer work on maemo? It works fine on the desktop, but when I try to do type discovery on the hardware it thinks it can't play the file even though it can. |
| 16:47.01 | K-Fox | where is offline files of this (libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) |
| 16:47.02 | inz | lardman, BUFSIZ seems to be defined by stdio at least |
| 16:47.21 | inz | K-Fox, probably in the same place as the evince package |
| 16:47.24 | ywwg | I tried the gst-discover python script that Edward Hervey wrote and it doesn't work on totally normal mp3 files that it can play |
| 16:47.57 | K-Fox | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/ <--- here is? |
| 16:48.04 | lardman | inz: indeed I was being stupid then :) |
| 16:48.08 | lardman | thanks |
| 16:48.56 | inz | lardman, if grep -R yields no results, it must be somewhere else ;) |
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| 16:49.25 | lardman | nah, it's probably there, I'm on a WinXP machine atm, so is hard to search |
| 16:49.35 | peterbrett | Hey there... can someone answer some questions about the n810 for me? |
| 16:49.58 | lardman | depends what you ask.... |
| 16:50.03 | peterbrett | In particular, I was wondering whether it comes with a calendar app, and if so whether it can import .ics files |
| 16:50.15 | peterbrett | Same goes for address book and vcard |
| 16:50.24 | inz | It comes with no calendar |
| 16:50.27 | michele_ | lardman: if you need more data, this is mine from half an hour ago http://micampe.it/m/nvd_data |
| 16:50.27 | lardman | no, but GPE-calendar may be able to do so; and GPE-contacts can import vcard |
| 16:50.44 | michele_ | lardman: the visible satellites where 20 31 4 1 17 23 |
| 16:50.45 | lardman | the more the merrier, thanks :) |
| 16:51.06 | peterbrett | Does anyone know if there any screenshots of the GPE apps running on the n810 floating about? |
| 16:51.55 | lardman | http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ |
| 16:52.29 | peterbrett | Looks quite nice :) |
| 16:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | The built-in address book does fine with vcards. |
| 16:52.48 | lardman | http://o-hand.com/work/oss/pimlico/ is another option |
| 16:52.53 | peterbrett | (reason I ask is that if I get one I'll want to import from kdepim |
| 16:52.54 | peterbrett | ) |
| 16:53.23 | michele_ | lardman: not really, pimlico has some issues on os2008 (no Dates component) |
| 16:53.35 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 16:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | the maemo port isn't really out of alpha yet is it? |
| 16:54.13 | michele_ | the o-hand guys tried to build it, but had some issues I can't remember with dependencies |
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| 16:55.18 | michele_ | oh wait |
| 16:55.27 | michele_ | looks like ross did it after all http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/pimlico-2008-02-05-20-10 |
| 16:56.55 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: 'The built-in address book does fine with vcards' - bullshit |
| 16:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Worked fine here. |
| 16:57.05 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: I had to tell it |
| 16:57.16 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: import is limited to 500K (no info why) |
| 16:57.17 | jott | it did not even manage to load files >500kb |
| 16:57.43 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I can only speak from personal experience. |
| 16:57.45 | hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is unable to import vcards from my cellphone (importable in other apps) |
| 16:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | So, meh. |
| 16:57.47 | jott | and i wonder why there is no birthday field in the addressbook?! |
| 16:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | File a bug, then. |
| 16:58.06 | jott | there is a bug about the 500kb size limit |
| 16:58.09 | peterbrett | Is it possible to dial your phone over Bluetooth from GPE addressbook? |
| 16:58.15 | hrw | jott: mine |
| 17:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | Not that I know of, but there's phonelink for that. |
| 17:00.35 | peterbrett | Phonelink /looks/ clunky |
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| 17:00.43 | peterbrett | I admit it's hard to tell from screenshots |
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| 17:10.25 | gpd | Just noticed 2G Sandisk SD cards on amazon uk for 3 quid. |
| 17:10.49 | gpd | Is n800 with os2008 compatible with SDHC 4G / 8G or is a kernel patch still needed? |
| 17:11.10 | mgedmin | it is compatible |
| 17:11.25 | gpd | Any reason not to get a 4 or 8G then? |
| 17:11.39 | lardman | what is a bool stored in? 8, 16, 32 bits? |
| 17:11.45 | Blafasel | Other than price and potenially higher energy usage? |
| 17:11.54 | mgedmin | I suppose you could find reasons, if you wanted (2gb is cheaper; you don't actually need 4/8gb) |
| 17:12.10 | gpd | ok - no technical problems then - thanks |
| 17:12.45 | mgedmin | lardman: I think that depends very much on your compiler and its version |
| 17:12.52 | gpd | [i suppose compatability with any other devices I have would be the only other issue] |
| 17:13.03 | lardman | on the ITT |
| 17:13.17 | gpd | presumably I need an SDHC reader for my desktop :( |
| 17:13.19 | mgedmin | google says "according to the standard the size of 'bool' is implementation defined" |
| 17:13.19 | lardman | n810 even |
| 17:13.37 | lardman | hmm, ok, will have to look at the data and see, thanks |
| 17:13.42 | mgedmin | write a program that prints sizeof(bool) in the sdk |
| 17:14.01 | lardman | yep will do |
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| 17:24.49 | lardman | night all |
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| 17:26.08 | ywwg | are the gtk stock icons included with maemo? I'm trying to load simple icons like gtk-go-down and they aren't being found |
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| 17:28.46 | fysa | I hope a bool isn't 8 bits? It's just 0/1 |
| 17:29.11 | glass | it usually is? afaik, or an int |
| 17:29.23 | glass | iirc it isn't just 1 bit in about any compiler |
| 17:29.33 | inz | Usually it is int |
| 17:29.36 | inz | +an |
| 17:29.37 | dtahtbot | inz: Error: "an" is not a valid command. |
| 17:29.44 | inz | dtahtbot, fu |
| 17:29.46 | dtahtbot | inz: Error: "fu" is not a valid command. |
| 17:29.47 | pH5 | the scratchbox g++ from the maemo sdk has sizeof(bool)==1 |
| 17:29.53 | glass | you could use the bits from an int though |
| 17:30.04 | glass | if you need to conserve memory |
| 17:30.14 | inz | And use : if members of a struct |
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| 17:32.30 | peterbrett | fysa, inz: it's 1 bits for me (GCC 4.1.2, i386) |
| 17:32.35 | peterbrett | I mean 8 bits |
| 17:32.39 | peterbrett | or 1 byte |
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| 17:33.13 | peterbrett | http://pastebin.ca/895217 |
| 17:35.18 | sven-tek | you can simply not adress one bit |
| 17:35.30 | sven-tek | memory is adressed byte-wise |
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| 17:36.17 | fysa | right |
| 17:36.30 | fysa | I just realized that there's no provision for one bit these days.. |
| 17:36.32 | fysa | or 2 ;) |
| 17:36.45 | inz | But you can extract one bit of a byte |
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| 17:36.58 | sven-tek | yeah but thats expensive |
| 17:37.08 | inz | Oh? |
| 17:37.52 | hrw | depends on cpu |
| 17:37.54 | sven-tek | you save memory, but utilize cpu cicles to extract it |
| 17:38.21 | jott | arm does handle this fairly well |
| 17:38.34 | inz | What processor doesn't have and? |
| 17:38.39 | hrw | I remember microcontrollers where developer was able to create variable which took 2,3,4 bit and then another for 5th bit |
| 17:38.58 | mgedmin | C structs have bit fields |
| 17:39.09 | mgedmin | well, "can have" |
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| 18:09.02 | hrw | bye |
| 18:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting. |
| 18:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | Just got a new N800, and the touchscreen feels like the old 770 touchscreen and nothing like the touchscreen on my release-day N800. |
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| 18:17.29 | pupnik | less/more spongy GeneralAntilles ? |
| 18:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | More |
| 18:17.36 | K-Fox | evince seems to be so much cpu capacity |
| 18:17.46 | K-Fox | why? |
| 18:18.06 | pupnik | could maemo.org be a little faster please... |
| 18:20.52 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, is that a bad or a good thing? |
| 18:20.59 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's not particularly important. |
| 18:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | But I prefer a less-spongy feel. |
| 18:21.13 | pupnik | /usr/share/backgrounds/hildon_home_bg_user.pn |
| 18:21.20 | pupnik | /home/user/.osso/original_titlebar.png |
| 18:21.30 | Navi | I like spongy ^_^; |
| 18:21.32 | pupnik | `/home/user/.osso/hildon_home_bg_user.png |
| 18:22.02 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.17 | pupnik | /usr/share/themes/NuvoBlack/images/qgn_plat_home_background.png |
| 18:23.51 | pupnik | anyway it's still my favorite ever theme. Just that uninstalling it breaks other themes. |
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| 18:26.03 | Geeno | hello |
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| 19:13.49 | konttori | punik: I think it was trying to set the bg correctly |
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| 19:21.22 | k-s[WORK] | what reports: grep '^Hardware' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^.*:[ \t]\(.*\)/\1/g' |
| 19:21.26 | k-s[WORK] | for n810? |
| 19:22.03 | michele_ | Nokia RX-44 |
| 19:22.21 | k-s[WORK] | ah, I thought it was because mine was a prototype |
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| 19:22.43 | k-s[WORK] | 770 is "Nokia 770", n800 is "Nokia N800" |
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| 19:23.30 | inz | k-s, there's also /proc/component_version which reports also hw-build and nolo versions |
| 19:26.36 | k-s[WORK] | inz: any table with possibilities for each? |
| 19:26.54 | k-s[WORK] | inz: I mean 770 + gregale, 770 + hacker edition |
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| 19:27.09 | k-s[WORK] | inz: n800 + bora, n800 + chinook |
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| 19:28.36 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 19:29.59 | inz | k-s, only have n800 and n810 :( |
| 19:30.18 | inz | k-s, bora/chinook n800 say RX-34 in component_version |
| 19:30.27 | inz | k-s, and n810 says RX-44 |
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| 19:41.40 | pupnik | http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=658 Indie RPGs of the year |
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| 19:42.59 | pupnik | nokia called. they want money |
| 19:43.04 | rm_you | rofl |
| 19:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | They're all Windows. |
| 19:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | Lame. |
| 19:44.52 | pupnik | yeah sorry GeneralAntilles |
| 19:45.19 | pupnik | i'm sorry but i had to decline their request |
| 19:45.22 | Tama^2 | well there is VM ware fusion... |
| 19:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | x86 |
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| 19:45.58 | Tama^2 | It seems OS2008 on the n800 never cuts power to the external SD card |
| 19:46.01 | pupnik | they are independent developers, if they use SDL they could be persuaded to do a tablet port |
| 19:46.24 | Tama^2 | hence the increase in power consumption I observed |
| 19:46.51 | Tama^2 | GA: oh poor you , you are stuck in PPC hell |
| 19:46.53 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 19:47.13 | jott | pupnik: nokia called you? :) |
| 19:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | PPC > x86 |
| 19:47.56 | pupnik | the nokia store. they want 95 euros |
| 19:48.18 | jott | how did they react on your polite decline? |
| 19:48.24 | pupnik | politely |
| 19:48.29 | jott | i suppose they will call here too :) |
| 19:48.32 | Cptnodegard | want money for what? |
| 19:48.41 | jott | for their broken shop system ;p |
| 19:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 19:48.56 | Cptnodegard | lol? |
| 19:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's just lame calling for money after the fact. |
| 19:49.22 | pupnik | i'm sorry for them. i'm such a softie |
| 19:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
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| 19:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's, what, a hundred or so people? |
| 19:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | They need to man up, cut their loses, and move on. |
| 19:51.30 | jott | i wonder if they really believe they would get the money :P |
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| 19:54.54 | michele_ | System Requirements: Windows 35+ |
| 19:55.01 | michele_ | what's Win 35? |
| 19:55.19 | crashmatrix | I know of windooze 3.5 |
| 19:55.22 | crashmatrix | but not 35 |
| 19:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | Windows 2035? |
| 19:55.48 | michele_ | (I'm sure they meant 95, but it's funny :) |
| 19:56.00 | glass | nt 3.5? |
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| 19:56.13 | jott | http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nazi_gates.jpg that's the windows 35 logo ;P |
| 19:57.03 | crashmatrix | old :) |
| 19:57.13 | crashmatrix | and offending to many |
| 19:57.17 | michele_ | yes, it's from 1935 |
| 19:57.19 | jott | yeah from the windows 35 release party ;) |
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| 20:04.16 | mwaldron | So question on os2008/maemo dev. is there a toolchain/system for those of us who dev in windows? |
| 20:04.50 | Tama^2 | VM ware + ubuntu + scratchbox + .. |
| 20:04.53 | Tama^2 | U,u |
| 20:05.07 | mwaldron | bleh. yeah. was worried that was the answer |
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| 20:05.56 | michele_ | mwaldron: to slightly reduce the inconvenience, there's an image already built http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:06.14 | mwaldron | now that's good service :) |
| 20:06.17 | mwaldron | Thanks :) |
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| 20:09.42 | mwaldron | thanks michele, got the download running now |
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| 20:13.01 | mwaldron | I think i'm going to like this little guy (810 arrives tomorrow) but not close to willing to change my desktop environment to do some coding for it |
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| 20:16.13 | michele_ | oh... xournal is 15MB?! |
| 20:16.14 | pupnik | then install the vmware SDK |
| 20:16.32 | michele_ | what can it do in 15M? |
| 20:16.39 | mwaldron | pupnik: that's what michele pointed me towards |
| 20:17.10 | LoCusF | I do my lecture notes with xournal |
| 20:17.13 | LoCusF | really a killer app |
| 20:17.19 | LoCusF | + debug logs in the future |
| 20:17.19 | dtahtbot | LoCusF: Error: "debug" is not a valid command. |
| 20:17.29 | LoCusF | lol ok no + from now on |
| 20:17.54 | michele_ | yes, but I really didn't expect it to be that big |
| 20:17.58 | sven-tek | I'd like to have a search engine for my pdf files on maemo. something like beagle |
| 20:18.11 | inz | +die you stupid bot! |
| 20:18.12 | dtahtbot | inz: Error: "die" is not a valid command. |
| 20:18.15 | LoCusF | michele_: its ghostscript that makes it big |
| 20:18.20 | michele_ | ahhh |
| 20:18.39 | michele_ | ugh, they should provide a package without gs |
| 20:18.47 | LoCusF | and thats naturally for pdf-exporting |
| 20:22.35 | pupnik | jott, would you want to do some testing of a new exult build? |
| 20:22.59 | jott | pupnik: yeah |
| 20:23.28 | pupnik | how is your time schedule .. this evening or tomorrow? |
| 20:23.47 | jott | this evening is fine i suppose |
| 20:24.16 | pupnik | well i still have some mistakes in it but i can upload bin/data |
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| 20:24.25 | jott | what have you changed? |
| 20:26.20 | pupnik | xsp pixel doubling, easier double click, remastered mp3 music |
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| 20:26.30 | jott | ah nice |
| 20:26.53 | pupnik | i prefer the look of scale2x though, but performance is just not good |
| 20:27.10 | pupnik | it would be preferable to use an alternative accelerated blitting method |
| 20:27.44 | jott | sure sai2x/super eagle/... make old games look nice ;) |
| 20:27.48 | pupnik | also i think we should allow fmopl or timidity music as an alternative |
| 20:27.56 | pupnik | yes those don't work with 8bpp mode though |
| 20:28.17 | pupnik | see http://pupnik.de/ScalersExult.png |
| 20:29.27 | pupnik | at this poitn i just want to release something playable. my source changes are totally hacky and terrible |
| 20:29.34 | jott | :o |
| 20:29.34 | pupnik | and something installable by noobs |
| 20:29.42 | michele_ | pupnik: do you ever find the time to play any of the games you port? :) |
| 20:29.49 | pupnik | not really |
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| 20:30.04 | jott | did you make debian/patches? ;) |
| 20:30.10 | pupnik | no |
| 20:31.14 | pupnik | going to fix the rest of the mouse scaling problems and i'll put up a tgz |
| 20:31.26 | jott | an lcd controller based sai2x would be nice ;) |
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| 20:33.57 | pupnik | yes, but if you look at exult in particular, i think scale2x gives the best results |
| 20:34.11 | pupnik | text readibility is very important on the tablet |
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| 20:38.50 | jott | yeah no matter if 2xsai or scale2x it would be great to have something like this in hardware ;) |
| 20:40.05 | jott | (or as some kind of pixelshader) |
| 20:40.07 | mwaldron | but the real question has anyone ported dopewars :) |
| 20:40.38 | jott | the console based one should be straight forward ;) |
| 20:41.04 | mwaldron | can run it in garmin vm too i suppose |
| 20:41.07 | mwaldron | er garnet |
| 20:41.12 | mwaldron | mmm garmin vm :P |
| 20:41.13 | jott | haha ;) yeah |
| 20:41.46 | mwaldron | i've been reading way too much about 810 gps issues, got garmin on the brain |
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| 21:12.58 | ywwg | what's the API to get the neat application launching spinner? |
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| 21:17.58 | pierlux | ywwg, you mean in the corner? |
| 21:18.06 | ywwg | pierlux: yes |
| 21:18.30 | pierlux | I would guess it is called "start up notification" |
| 21:19.26 | inz | The spinner should appear automatically |
| 21:19.33 | inz | At least if you use d-bus launching |
| 21:20.44 | inz | And if you want a custom one for some process in your application, it's HildonBanner |
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| 21:21.14 | inz | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonBanner.html |
| 21:28.36 | ywwg | inz: I was trying it with hildonbanner but it wanted a widget, but of course my widgets aren't built yet because I'm launching |
| 21:30.51 | inz | ywwg, well, even if you managed to get it visible, it would be pretty much appearing at the same time as the rest of the app |
| 21:31.02 | inz | ywwg, that's why desktop gives you the banner |
| 21:31.04 | ywwg | inz: yeah exactly |
| 21:32.02 | ywwg | inz: but the api wants a widget: GtkWidget* hildon_banner_show_animation (GtkWidget *widget, |
| 21:32.02 | ywwg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.02 | ywwg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.16 | inz | But you don't need to use the API |
| 21:32.30 | inz | It is shown by desktop for you |
| 21:32.43 | ywwg | oh I see, the dbus launching you were talking about |
| 21:32.49 | inz | yeah |
| 21:33.05 | inz | If you desktop file is in order, it should just appear |
| 21:33.23 | inz | Not quite sure if the D-Bus usage is also required, might be |
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| 21:46.11 | ywwg | inz: aha, it seems I just have to specify X-Osso-Service and -Type and it works |
| 21:46.15 | ywwg | inz: thanks |
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| 22:01.17 | lcuk_2 | am i right in thinking i can get scp to copy a file to my 810 from the vmware box? |
| 22:01.28 | lcuk_2 | (from the command line as part of a script) |
| 22:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, why not? |
| 22:02.45 | lcuk_2 | because everything else is throwing itself at me and failing so why should something work... |
| 22:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | It can only get better from here! |
| 22:05.49 | lcuk_2 | indeed it bloody well can!!!! |
| 22:06.24 | lcuk_2 | i gave up on the vmware box and was reextracting and considered what i would do if it worked... |
| 22:06.26 | lcuk_2 | and it did :D |
| 22:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of alcohol? |
| 22:06.57 | lcuk_2 | i just downloaded a standard sdl program example from the web and compiled for x86 |
| 22:07.20 | lcuk_2 | it was failing when i did same with ANY compile when i switched to armel to actually see it on the device |
| 22:07.31 | lcuk_2 | nahhh, no beer yet, tho there will be now |
| 22:09.07 | lcuk_2 | as long as scp works now i can edit in windows over a folder (like i do for normal work), automatically save+rebuild+send (with scp..) the final copy to device for instant testing |
| 22:10.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's like reading wikipedia. :P |
| 22:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | It never ends! |
| 22:10.46 | lcuk_2 | yer... |
| 22:11.45 | lcuk_2 | because there wasn't one stage which worked consistently through everything every corner had new surprises |
| 22:12.17 | jott | and beware of recursions! always remember the fixpoint to get out! |
| 22:13.58 | lcuk_2 | i kept wanting to click my heels, but i heard the wicked witch (ballmer) throwing chairs and waving a copy of Vista at me and knew i had to stick it out |
| 22:14.29 | lcuk_2 | has anyone tried visual studio 2008 yet, does it feel more like original visual studio yet? |
| 22:16.00 | jott | what's original? the ones before .net? ;) |
| 22:16.14 | lcuk_2 | yer |
| 22:16.17 | lcuk_2 | the fast ones |
| 22:17.14 | jott | use vi instead, it's pretty fast ;) |
| 22:18.44 | pupnik | omfg .. lmao. The cars playing at Live AID had a DEC VT-100 terminal on stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCXkAN28urU&NR=1 |
| 22:18.59 | lcuk_2 | fast mouse scrolling? selecting? the key only interface doesnt fit well - i prefer to put hands in certain places to do certain jobs, not have an all in one steering wheel |
| 22:20.16 | jott | lcuk_2: use vim then ;> |
| 22:23.34 | Redline` | heh. I have all of Live Aid recorded on VHS in storage somewhere. |
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| 22:32.32 | pupnik | http://home.earthlink.net/~yaking/html/wsnHIST.html ahh Redline` it was a Synclavier - about a $150,000 - $400,000 sampler |
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| 22:34.19 | lardman | why is maemo.org sooooo sloooooooow? |
| 22:35.05 | inz | lardman, because it is hosted on a 770 behind a 2400 modem? |
| 22:35.15 | lardman | 2400 is too generous |
| 22:35.28 | lardman | but that's probably about right :) |
| 22:35.48 | synth_leif | LCARS for ITOS2008 was released yesterday |
| 22:35.49 | synth_leif | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD |
| 22:36.34 | synth_leif | and yes, this version is properly uninstallable :) |
| 22:37.29 | lcuk_2 | in sdl if i want to load an image file using IMG_Load(...) and the file is stored in the same path as the executable should i be able to just call it with img = IMG_Load("pic.PNG"); |
| 22:38.08 | lcuk_2 | or d i need a full path descriptor IMG_Load( "./pic.PNG") |
| 22:39.05 | lcuk_2 | if its the first, does sdl have a problem with PNG files in general on maemo? |
| 22:40.18 | lardman | when the scratchbox installer script downloads the packages, where are they downloaded to? |
| 22:40.30 | lardman | I already have them and need to fool it, otherwise I'll be here all year |
| 22:41.54 | lardman | hmm /tmp |
| 22:44.17 | j0tt | lcuk_2: both are bad solutions imho.. and png should work fine. maybe you should look for IMG_GetError() if image is null.. |
| 22:44.45 | j0tt | (if the result of IMG_Load() is null) |
| 22:44.47 | lcuk_2 | i did: "Couldn't open m_pointer.png" |
| 22:44.54 | lcuk_2 | its very helpful.. |
| 22:45.12 | lcuk_2 | i was seeing if it was the path that i entered or the actual image loader |
| 22:45.25 | lcuk_2 | it works when i run it in chinook_x86 |
| 22:45.35 | j0tt | remember that *nix filesystems are usually case sensitive :) |
| 22:45.40 | lcuk_2 | but when i convert to chinook_armel it crashes with that error |
| 22:45.44 | j0tt | hmm |
| 22:45.55 | lcuk_2 | running on the device |
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| 22:47.02 | lcuk_2 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:47.04 | lcuk_2 | .... |
| 22:47.08 | lcuk_2 | i know the difference... |
| 22:47.25 | Mousey | what? |
| 22:47.34 | Mousey | no video in maemo's skype? |
| 22:47.57 | lcuk_2 | nope, on scratchbox console i was in the folder |
| 22:48.03 | lcuk_2 | its a startin folder thats different |
| 22:48.23 | lcuk_2 | the files don't exist at console i ran with a path |
| 22:48.29 | jott | yeah well as i said, using a relative path is not a good idea |
| 22:49.00 | jott | atleast not relative to the PWD |
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| 22:49.24 | lcuk_2 | its ok, now i have slapped my forehead i wont make that mistake again |
| 22:50.39 | jott | lcuk_2: also look at those, if you have not yet: http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/ |
| 22:51.06 | lcuk_2 | now i know whats needed to compile things and have a base system i can look at lots of stuff |
| 22:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha . . . LCARS is too much. |
| 22:51.37 | lcuk_2 | i have ran into lots of issues recently getting something up and running and just cured all of them by re-wiping my vmware box and starting again |
| 22:52.01 | lcuk_2 | does it work GeneralAntilles |
| 22:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:53.10 | lcuk_2 | thanks jott i will give those a good work through |
| 22:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's absolutely incredible. |
| 22:53.20 | lcuk_2 | excellent i think ill try it |
| 22:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's like being teleported to the future. :P |
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| 22:53.58 | lcuk_2 | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD |
| 22:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. |
| 22:54.11 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 22:54.34 | lcuk_2 | the guy at work will look all shakey if i show him this - there is no way i am leaving him alone with it tho |
| 22:54.52 | jott | hehe just glue on some rubber ears and no one will ask dumb questions :P |
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| 22:55.17 | lcuk_2 | lol - i cant i became a jedi last week and its all just wrong |
| 22:55.28 | lcuk_2 | i cant hold a light sabre and a LCARS pad |
| 22:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 22:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | The sounds are too much. |
| 22:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a new job for rm_you. . . . |
| 22:56.20 | lcuk_2 | i might turn my device into HAL |
| 22:57.58 | Tama^3 | GeneralAntilles: I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. <---- Girlfriend says: "It's either me or the tablet!" |
| 22:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 22:59.14 | Mousey | lcars works on n810 yet? |
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| 22:59.38 | shackan | GeneralAntilles: terrific |
| 22:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Mousey. |
| 22:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just announced |
| 22:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | scroll up. |
| 22:59.58 | Mousey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.49 | pupnik | hey thanks for the sdl link jott |
| 23:01.05 | Mousey | ty! |
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| 23:01.31 | shackan | an appropriate icon theme is in order :( |
| 23:02.58 | GeneralAntilles | Restart, shackan. |
| 23:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | Er, unless you're talking about everything but the toolbars. |
| 23:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | Which you probably are. |
| 23:03.21 | shackan | i am |
| 23:05.30 | jott | hehe nice the LCARS on top changing to 802.11 :) |
| 23:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | and the rest of the toolbar icons. |
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| 23:06.49 | jott | yeah only LoadApplet does not fit ;) |
| 23:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | and advanced backlight. :( |
| 23:08.57 | |tbb| | is it possible to switch back to default theme after installing LCARS theme? |
| 23:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, it's all covered on the website. |
| 23:09.14 | GeneralAntilles | But, switch to a normal theme |
| 23:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | uninstall lcars-complete |
| 23:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | reboot. |
| 23:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | DO NOT UNINSTALL AN ACTIVE THEME! |
| 23:10.25 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 23:10.51 | lcuk_2 | are themes included in the backup? |
| 23:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | Are applications? |
| 23:11.19 | lcuk_2 | the theme info |
| 23:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, that, yes. |
| 23:11.45 | lcuk_2 | cool |
| 23:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | If you do uninstall the active theme. |
| 23:11.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just turn off the watchdogs |
| 23:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | make sure it's set to autoconnect. ;) |
| 23:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | ssh in and reinstall it |
| 23:12.10 | lcuk_2 | no, i wont anyway |
| 23:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'd guess that should fix things. |
| 23:12.23 | lcuk_2 | i just like to make sure ive got everything backed up |
| 23:12.43 | lcuk_2 | i will be making an auto sync soon enough for my code etc |
| 23:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | Boot from sd and just run a backup script every week on so. |
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| 23:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | Er, setup a partition on the SD, anyway. |
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| 23:13.57 | lcuk_2 | not for now, im just about getting used to this as it stands |
| 23:14.33 | jott | now we need some decent lcars applications ;) |
| 23:14.34 | lcuk_2 | i can reformat the mmc2 device cant i to a format which understands execute permissions cant i? |
| 23:14.46 | lcuk_2 | -cant i |
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| 23:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, lcuk_2. |
| 23:17.31 | jott | http://www.lcarscom.net/images/nakadapanel.jpg something like that for home automation control ;) |
| 23:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | I would at least install fanoush's initfs so you can recover with USBnet if anything goes wrong. |
| 23:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:17.53 | jott | http://www.lcarscom.net/images/Okud_still_perriker.gif and this as wikipedia frontend ;) |
| 23:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | jott, that would be way too far over the top. |
| 23:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 23:23.18 | jott | GeneralAntilles: hehe go to http://lcarscom.net/databank.htm with a fullscreen browser on the IT (and disabled url bar)...fits nice ;) |
| 23:23.33 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: wanna laugh? I wasn't able to change *that* domain nameservers! :) |
| 23:23.35 | jott | the scrollbar merges with the rest ;) |
| 23:25.16 | jott | this site is hilarious on the tablet ;) |
| 23:27.37 | elb | I keep poking at URLs on my laptop screen with my finger |
| 23:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | elb, it's terrible, isn't it? |
| 23:28.00 | elb | it is |
| 23:28.00 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me want to petition Apple for touchscreen laptops. |
| 23:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | The worst part is that I don't use laptops except when I'm at home with my family. |
| 23:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | I end up going right into "tablet-mode". |
| 23:28.49 | lcuk_2 | eee should be least expensive "fullsize" tablet if they make it |
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| 23:29.22 | lardman | I'm not impressed with the debian scratchbox installation instructions |
| 23:36.22 | lcuk_2 | is it much more complicated to keep it inside a vmware frame? |
| 23:36.42 | lcuk_2 | cos if not, why not use the prebuilt environment? |
| 23:41.48 | lardman | I've never used vmware |
| 23:42.18 | lardman | It's a hell of a lot easier to install from tarballs than from .debs; I'm stuck now with it installed but no groups created nor users |
| 23:42.33 | lardman | poor instructions in the install.txt file |
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| 23:48.59 | lardman | time to logout to join sbox |
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| 23:50.27 | kSiR | Any one around that can help with with a simple issue? |
| 23:51.40 | Mousey | wow |
| 23:51.57 | kSiR | Taking that as a no |
| 23:51.58 | Mousey | anyone know how to fix the LCARS theme words on the side? |
| 23:52.10 | Mousey | ...that wasn't even english |
| 23:52.19 | kSiR | I am looking for the "Lock code" for the 2007 "hacked" OS |
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| 23:52.45 | kSiR | I cant set it, so I cant lock my device. |
| 23:52.48 | Mousey | the words "menu" and "lcars" overlap each other in the theme |
| 23:52.58 | Mousey | kSiR: out of the box i think it was 12345 |
| 23:53.15 | pupnik | http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/download/interkarma.stm very cool daggerfall utilities |
| 23:53.16 | kSiR | I tried that, and it will not set it |
| 23:53.50 | kSiR | I have root access is there any files that can be adjusted to fix this? |
| 23:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | You restart, Mousey? |
| 23:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. |
| 23:54.16 | Mousey | yes |
| 23:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | kSiR, it doesn't change with a flash |
| 23:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | so it's whatever you (or somebody else) set it to. |
| 23:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's a way to check from the booted system |
| 23:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | don't recall it off-hand, though. |
| 23:54.46 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles: think it might have to do with my rearranging the buttons? [web under contacts, menu on top" |
| 23:54.47 | Mousey | ? |
| 23:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 23:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe |
| 23:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Mine's default. |
| 23:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Try changing to default? |
| 23:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | I use it, elb. :P |
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| 23:56.24 | elb | whatever for? |
| 23:56.24 | kSiR | hurm... yes I bought this from some one else, and I just called them and they havent a clue... |
| 23:56.44 | elb | I guess if you had a lot of time to kill, the contacts application uses a lot to ... do anything |
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| 23:58.22 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles: ah, well there's some mumblings under known issues on dude's site |
| 23:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | elb, SIP, e-mail, . . . contacts. :P |
| 23:58.57 | Mousey | i wish contacts and mail were mappable to other programs.. |
| 23:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | kSIR, there's a thread on ITT covering the solution. |
| 23:59.01 | elb | I was unimpressed with the built-in emails as well |
| 23:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | I believe, anyway. |
| 23:59.05 | Mousey | ..or rather. i wish i was smart enough to make it do it |
| 23:59.22 | elb | I keep meaning to look at claws and modest |
| 23:59.26 | Mousey | modest seriously needs mail filters before i can completely abandon clawsmail |
| 23:59.28 | elb | sylpheed was decent enough, way back in the day |
