| 00:00.03 | blahdeblah | Maybe the battery's a dud |
| 00:00.14 | esworp | hildon-application-manager 2.0.2 |
| 00:00.16 | esworp | E: Problem parsing de |
| 00:00.18 | esworp | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 00:00.20 | esworp | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debfarm.free.fr_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages |
| 00:00.22 | esworp | E: Error occurred while processing mediainfo (NewVersion1) |
| 00:00.24 | esworp | E: Problem parsing dependency Depends |
| 00:01.08 | esworp | This thing's been kicking my butt. |
| 00:01.43 | johnx | esworp, if you run dmesg | tail do you see anything scary like I/O errors or the like? |
| 00:02.18 | esworp | Lemme lookie |
| 00:02.34 | nelson | johnx: http://www.intomobile.com/2007/11/13/zxing-googles-open-source-qr-code-reader.html |
| 00:02.49 | johnx | nelson, cool |
| 00:02.51 | lardman | hmm, maemo-mapper went TU again |
| 00:03.28 | nelson | looks like we just need to port ZXing to maemo. |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | ~ $ dmesg | tail |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | [ 3949.835937] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8) |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | [ 3943.789062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | [ 3942.125000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | [ 3920.750000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:03.28 | esworp | [ 3919.625000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 00:03.29 | esworp | ? |
| 00:03.29 | esworp | [ 3917.125000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:03.29 | esworp | [ 3907.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 00:03.31 | esworp | :] |
| 00:03.31 | esworp | [ 3905.062500] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:03.32 | esworp | [ 3871.953125] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled |
| 00:03.34 | esworp | [ 3853.085937] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled |
| 00:03.48 | lardman | dare I say: |
| 00:03.48 | esworp | No |
| 00:03.51 | esworp | No idea what any of that was. |
| 00:03.52 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 00:03.53 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 00:04.06 | lardman | oh, random, fair enough |
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| 00:04.25 | johnx | esworp, that looks pretty normal (and yes, pastebin might be a good idea in the future) |
| 00:04.45 | timely | esworp: try disabling that repo? |
| 00:05.25 | blahdeblah | lardman: It's given me the little icons showing the R&D flag set. Now what? |
| 00:07.18 | esworp | Yah- not sure which one it is. I installed a ton at once. :) |
| 00:07.35 | timely | esworp: um, |
| 00:07.41 | lardman | blahdeblah: try rebooting and see what happens |
| 00:07.44 | johnx | esworp, it's this one: debfarm.free.fr |
| 00:07.46 | blahdeblah | Nothing |
| 00:08.03 | lardman | blahdeblah: no blue line, etc.? |
| 00:08.14 | blahdeblah | lardman: I see kernel, initfs, and component versions, and the blue line goes across again, and that's it. |
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| 00:08.35 | lardman | blahdeblah: No idea then; I'd be tempted to flash it |
| 00:08.38 | blahdeblah | Do i need to unplug the USB? It seems to have disconnected itself anyway. |
| 00:08.55 | lardman | blahdeblah: it will disconnect itself; someone else may have a better idea than flashing |
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| 00:09.30 | blahdeblah | lardman: OK - thanks. :-( Interestingly, it keeps rebooting, despite the lifeguard being turned off... |
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| 00:09.48 | timely | esworp: try looking in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/catalogues.backup |
| 00:10.00 | lardman | blahdeblah: no idea sorry, might be worth a look though the mailing list though |
| 00:10.00 | timely | that might let you figure out which repo w/o checking each one |
| 00:11.15 | |tbb| | anyone running hacker edition on n770 |
| 00:13.01 | esworp | Nuking that catalog fixed it |
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| 00:17.18 | lardman | interesting, even after disabling the gps, gpsd still produces nmea data (the give away is the line gap between each message) |
| 00:17.37 | lardman | anyway, no idea how long I've been online, but still no lock |
| 00:18.11 | lardman | I'll give the N810 the benefit of the doubt and blame it on my balcony not having a full 180 deg view and it raining |
| 00:18.22 | timely | you're trying it in the rain? |
| 00:18.44 | timely | you're cruel |
| 00:19.06 | timely | you know your device isn't waterproof, right? :) |
| 00:19.07 | lardman | well inside |
| 00:19.37 | lardman | ah, perhaps that's the problem, do you think it's supposed to make a fizzing noise and steam come out too? |
| 00:20.57 | lardman | time for bed, night all |
| 00:34.44 | blahdeblah | Can anyone explain to me how "devicescape" is better than the way OS2008 handles wifi hotspots by default? |
| 00:35.20 | johnx | wasn't devicescape the one that handles automatic "web based" logins to public free/pay networks? |
| 00:35.40 | blahdeblah | Yeah |
| 00:35.57 | johnx | then yeah, that's how it's better |
| 00:36.01 | blahdeblah | How is the way it works by default not "automatic"? |
| 00:36.30 | blahdeblah | Every time i've gone looking for wifi, it just finds it effortlessly and i can connect. |
| 00:36.46 | johnx | well if you also have to manually load up the browser and enter sign-on info in a poorly designed web page it's not very automatic... |
| 00:37.06 | blahdeblah | ah |
| 00:37.17 | blahdeblah | so it automatically enters web-based credentials? |
| 00:37.29 | johnx | that was my question up above :P |
| 00:37.34 | johnx | I *thought* it did |
| 00:37.43 | johnx | otherwise, what's the point? :) |
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| 00:38.31 | rm_you | hrm... this "devicescape" sounds interesting... |
| 00:38.42 | rm_you | i was in the middle of writing a python script to handle some web form logins... |
| 00:38.54 | johnx | ah, html scraping |
| 00:38.55 | rm_you | i wonder if i could utilize that instead somehow :) |
| 00:38.59 | rm_you | yeah |
| 00:39.01 | rm_you | with curl |
| 00:39.04 | rm_you | *libcurl |
| 00:39.47 | johnx | yeah, I did that with wget and bash to feed branch names to bzr |
| 00:39.49 | rm_you | for my "Dial a number on a dialpad to make a call with GrandCentral" GUI |
| 00:40.01 | rm_you | johnx: i had the wget/bash script FINISHED |
| 00:40.07 | rm_you | but... *it didn't work* |
| 00:40.08 | rm_you | but it did |
| 00:40.15 | rm_you | i know that's an oxymoron... |
| 00:40.21 | rm_you | or rather, a paradox |
| 00:40.48 | rm_you | but it "worked" in that it returned the right stuff , like "Now dialing 555-555-5555" from grandcentral... |
| 00:41.08 | rm_you | but for some reason the wget connection never actually caused the thing to *actually call* |
| 00:41.43 | johnx | hmm |
| 00:41.54 | johnx | maybe some javascript needed to be run? |
| 00:42.08 | rm_you | i don't THINK so... but good idea... i will check |
| 00:42.15 | rm_you | i didnt see any first glance... |
| 00:45.03 | rm_you | wow.... |
| 00:45.08 | rm_you | ZERO *anything* |
| 00:45.18 | rm_you | the page has like 4 tags and 10 words on it |
| 00:46.13 | johnx | referer? cookies? user agent? |
| 00:46.35 | rm_you | got both referrer and cookies taken care of |
| 00:46.55 | rm_you | user agent... maybe? |
| 00:47.06 | rm_you | but this page is *designed* to work for mobile devices |
| 00:47.10 | rm_you | on whoknows what browser |
| 00:47.19 | rm_you | probably on cellphones |
| 00:47.31 | johnx | I don't know, just doing a brain dump |
| 00:47.39 | rm_you | yeah |
| 00:47.49 | rm_you | and i'm giving you more info so you can come up with more informed ideas :P |
| 00:49.16 | blahdeblah | Is there any add-on package that allows OS2008 to a) correctly receive the local domain from DHCP so i can use non-qualified domain names in bash, and b) use wpad.dat autoproxy? |
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| 00:53.36 | johnx | no idea about (b), but for (a) you'll want to look at dnsmasq's configuration and whether it's capable of that... |
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| 01:03.13 | trevarthan | so.... no source code available for mnotify, eh? That sucks. |
| 01:04.24 | trevarthan | I'd like to extend mnotify to a.) blink the LED and b.) access gmail via plain HTML rather than the ajax mode. |
| 01:05.43 | trevarthan | Also, I'd like to write something similar to mnotify for facebook, but with the LED blinky functionality. |
| 01:06.44 | johnx | 'night b0unc3 |
| 01:07.01 | |R | add an easter egg so it actually unregister people from facebook, thus saving their lifes ;-) |
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| 01:08.12 | trevarthan | Is the tray actually a good place for application like that though? Are they visible when blinking if the tray is in overflow mode? |
| 01:13.35 | disq | i still want a desktop plugin container where you can use desktop plugins in different tabs |
| 01:14.09 | disq | also the ability to add the same plugin more than once (think web buttons) and such |
| 01:14.42 | disq | maybe even have a notification mechanism so that if an event occurs in the other desktop-tab the tab color changes etc |
| 01:25.06 | trevarthan | I like the web buttons idea. simplelauncher with web shortcuts would be a nice "almost" though. |
| 01:25.37 | trevarthan | Is there documentation on how to get an application into the tray? I'm looking around on google.... |
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| 01:35.11 | trevarthan | nm. I found it. they call it a statusbar plugin, not a tray icon. meh. http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html |
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| 02:30.48 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 02:31.00 | pppoe_dude | Is there a way to import contacts from a cell phone? |
| 02:31.05 | pppoe_dude | onto a nokia 770 |
| 02:31.27 | pppoe_dude | i tried the 'send contacts via bluetooth' option on my phone, but it fails. The nokia and my phone are paired up |
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| 02:43.00 | oil | morning |
| 02:43.12 | Tama^2 | morning |
| 02:43.42 | smackpotato | i cant do anything with my phone but connect. thats my phones fault |
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| 03:00.30 | Tama^2 | is there such thing as a substitute kernel for OS2008 with improved SDHC logging? |
| 03:01.50 | johnx | I think fanoush released a kernel that did that at one point |
| 03:06.26 | braddbr | any ideas of the speed of the built-in SD card in a n800?? would i gain any speed increase if i installed os2008 on one of the removable media cards? |
| 03:07.15 | Tama^2 | you battery life is probably bound to decrease but you would probably get a bit of speed |
| 03:07.30 | braddbr | ok, good to know |
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| 03:08.49 | johnx | braddbr, you'd probably gain speed. A fast SD card will almost certainly be faster than the built in NAND flash (it's not an SD card, BTW). Also the builtin flash is a compressed filesystem so there is CPU overhead for reading and writing to it that you don't have when writing to an ext2/3 filesystem on an SD card |
| 03:10.01 | braddbr | oh, i see.. maybe i will go look for a fast SD card tomorrow.. any brand preferences (low-power would be preferrable) |
| 03:10.14 | johnx | no ideas there, sorry |
| 03:10.56 | johnx | I used to say that if you're planning to swap to it you should get one with a lifetime warranty ... but they're so cheap these days that they're almost disposable (at least in the 4GB range...) |
| 03:12.48 | smackpotato | so meta-crawler and samba dont play well together |
| 03:13.33 | braddbr | any ideas on power consumption? is there any big jumps between the sizes? |
| 03:13.36 | johnx | metacrawler doesn't play nice with very almost everything :/ |
| 03:14.10 | smackpotato | o well |
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| 03:14.44 | johnx | braddbr, some people seem to think so...or at least power differences between different cards...but there's not much really scientific comparisons between cards |
| 03:14.45 | trevarthan | lol. so the maemo 4.0 hello world example's build scripts don't work with the chinook sdk. |
| 03:14.51 | trevarthan | figures |
| 03:14.55 | johnx | trevarthan, ouch |
| 03:15.11 | johnx | its uninstall didn't work right either (for me at least...) |
| 03:15.41 | trevarthan | heh |
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| 03:16.22 | zetheroo | can someone help me update my N800 with the latest OS? |
| 03:16.34 | zetheroo | I have two units that I need to update |
| 03:16.42 | fysa | 8GB cards were down to $33 the other week |
| 03:16.46 | braddbr | what os will you be using on the updater zetheroo? |
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| 03:16.59 | zetheroo | unit no1 is pluggied into the USD already |
| 03:17.00 | trevarthan | fysa: microsd or full size? |
| 03:17.05 | fysa | full |
| 03:17.14 | fysa | I think MicroSD are on sale somewhere now too though. |
| 03:17.18 | trevarthan | oh. :( I bought a microsd for like 90. |
| 03:17.33 | braddbr | on the topic of microSD, are they better for power usage? |
| 03:17.58 | zetheroo | braddbr: I would liek to update to OS2008 |
| 03:18.14 | braddbr | zetheroo: i mean what OS will you be using to do the update? |
| 03:18.31 | zetheroo | braddbr: I am running Ubuntu Gutsy |
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| 03:20.46 | fysa | 16GB SDHC for $67 |
| 03:21.02 | braddbr | zetheroo: i am looking for the website |
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| 03:24.44 | braddbr | http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9816300-1.html <-- is one guide i found.. others may know of better ones tho.. |
| 03:27.44 | fysa | a Maemo Mapper hack that links to an http://localhost/ wikipedia mirror. |
| 03:27.48 | fysa | that would befun. |
| 03:29.11 | dphil9000 | Sounds complicated to index wiki data to locations |
| 03:29.53 | dphil9000 | Wiki editors wouls need to tag entries with coordinates |
| 03:30.42 | johnx | zetheroo, this is what you want: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c06747 |
| 03:32.16 | fysa | that would be too easy to be fun. |
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| 03:33.00 | dphil9000 | AI to guess coordinates? |
| 03:33.08 | fysa | lookup nearest addresses by city/area/business |
| 03:33.19 | fysa | using the point-to-point database |
| 03:33.23 | johnx | google earth already has lots of stuff tagged |
| 03:33.34 | johnx | you can just export their kml files and use gpsbabel on them |
| 03:33.50 | fysa | http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html |
| 03:34.22 | rm_you | http://www.wikimapia.org |
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| 03:34.56 | dphil9000 | ggl earth interface to the gps h/w |
| 03:35.06 | johnx | rm_you, that's awesome! |
| 03:35.27 | dphil9000 | If it exists, should be ported |
| 03:35.28 | rm_you | johnx: i marked my house :) |
| 03:35.35 | johnx | ahaha |
| 03:39.14 | oil | heh. I found a neirbough who is editing wikimapia.. he also marked his house :) |
| 03:40.14 | johnx | this is rather nice :) |
| 03:40.23 | johnx | and the full screen layout would work well on a tablet... |
| 03:40.53 | rm_you | if it has the power to run it... <_< |
| 03:41.01 | rm_you | it lags a little bit on my desktop :/ |
| 03:41.05 | johnx | really? |
| 03:41.10 | johnx | it's quick here... |
| 03:41.14 | rm_you | hrm |
| 03:41.14 | johnx | is it any slower than google maps? |
| 03:41.22 | rm_you | my compy is also like... broken right now i suppose |
| 03:41.35 | johnx | actually, I'm probably looking at a "more sparse" region than you :P |
| 03:41.45 | johnx | rm_you, are you in Linux? |
| 03:41.53 | rm_you | no |
| 03:41.55 | rm_you | >_< |
| 03:42.03 | rm_you | trying to fix my broken-ass windows stuff |
| 03:42.12 | johnx | give up :P |
| 03:42.13 | rm_you | been defragging my drive for 2 days |
| 03:42.18 | rm_you | not sure if it's helping at all >_> |
| 03:42.22 | fysa | jdefrag |
| 03:42.23 | fysa | is the best |
| 03:42.32 | fysa | wait. |
| 03:42.35 | rm_you | i have 250g of stuff on this drive i need <_< |
| 03:42.41 | rm_you | or i would just ditch it |
| 03:43.09 | fysa | jkdefrag |
| 03:43.13 | fysa | is very fast and excellent. |
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| 03:43.22 | fysa | and lightweight |
| 03:43.26 | fysa | (and free) |
| 03:43.32 | rm_you | been using defraggler |
| 03:43.35 | fysa | http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/ |
| 03:43.42 | fysa | zip is 456kb |
| 03:43.48 | rm_you | yeah i grabbed it |
| 03:43.51 | fysa | it has a screensaver.. |
| 03:43.59 | rm_you | i see. nice :P |
| 03:44.05 | fysa | and the other one that's good.. |
| 03:44.14 | fysa | pagedefrag? |
| 03:44.33 | rm_you | no defraggler? >_> |
| 03:44.35 | fysa | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx |
| 03:44.42 | fysa | maybe not. |
| 03:45.16 | fysa | yeah, that's it. |
| 03:45.23 | fysa | it defrags pagefile.sys on boot |
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| 03:46.44 | fysa | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx |
| 03:47.05 | fysa | all the defragging you need, under a megabyte. |
| 03:47.37 | fysa | haven't heard of defraggler, looks nice and light too |
| 03:48.12 | fysa | http://www.neowin.net/news/software/08/01/23/defraggler-101050-beta |
| 03:48.15 | fysa | comparison discussion |
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| 03:48.25 | rm_you | hrm |
| 03:48.37 | rm_you | no fragmentation in any system files, according to your other link |
| 03:48.45 | rm_you | the sysinternals program |
| 03:48.50 | fysa | JkDefrag is better than Defraggler. |
| 03:48.50 | fysa | It is both pointless and useless to use two defragmenters back-to-back. |
| 03:48.50 | fysa | They all use the original defrag API function (which was originally designed by the same people who make Diskeeper) however the applications use different criteria for determining what is commonly and least commonly used and where to put what. |
| 03:48.50 | fysa | JkDefrag has a wonderful engine which defragmenters all files successfully and places the files sequentially and even consolidates all directories. |
| 03:48.52 | fysa | Defraggler does not defrag all files and does not perform file placement. |
| 03:48.54 | fysa | yeah, it's rare |
| 03:48.59 | fysa | I usually get one fragment at most.. every month or two |
| 03:49.17 | fysa | but I can imagine with swap, even one fragment could be horrible. |
| 03:49.43 | fysa | so it seems that defraggler doesn't do smart-placement -- i.e., most accessed files at the fastest part of the disk |
| 03:50.01 | Tama^2 | FAT /me looks at the date and sighs |
| 03:50.12 | rm_you | fysa: i had over 900,000 fragments |
| 03:50.15 | fysa | haha |
| 03:50.17 | rm_you | two days ago |
| 03:50.18 | fysa | excellent |
| 03:50.26 | johnx | rm_you, how close is that disk to full? |
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| 03:50.33 | rm_you | i had more than 10 files with 7000-9000 frags a piece |
| 03:50.39 | rm_you | johnx: it was at 100% >_< |
| 03:50.46 | rm_you | johnx: which entirely explains the situation |
| 03:50.46 | fysa | I had fragments kill a jfs-on-RAID.. |
| 03:50.49 | johnx | yup, that'll do it |
| 03:50.57 | rm_you | but now has 42g free |
| 03:50.57 | fysa | and there are no defragging tools. |
| 03:51.16 | fysa | 7 drives, performance was down to 8-20MB/s.ec |
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| 03:51.35 | rm_you | ok... gonna kill defraggler and start jkdefrag >_> |
| 03:51.40 | johnx | I used to choose filesystems based on their technical merits...now I choose them based on the maturity of their maintanence and rescue tools ... |
| 03:51.45 | fysa | yes. |
| 03:51.57 | rm_you | maybe it's something else though... |
| 03:51.58 | fysa | I've had bad experiences with jfs and xfs alike. |
| 03:52.11 | johnx | xfs is *not* tolerant of hardware issues |
| 03:52.18 | johnx | ask me how I know... |
| 03:52.18 | fysa | I'm back to ext3 because it can shrink, i.e., I can escape out of it if something happens. |
| 03:52.20 | rm_you | because the disk is seriously SOOOOO slow that it's not realistic that fragmentation alone could do this |
| 03:52.28 | rm_you | i think the read/write is even ridiculously slow now |
| 03:52.28 | fysa | I lost a terabyte to xfs.. :) |
| 03:53.03 | johnx | I lost 20GB on a USB drive that had a hickup...back when 20GB meant something |
| 03:53.04 | fysa | fragmentation can really kill a filesystem if it's out of control. |
| 03:53.14 | johnx | so can a USB disconnect :/ |
| 03:53.22 | fysa | aw |
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| 03:53.38 | fysa | no good |
| 03:54.02 | johnx | ext2/3 seemed to cope better in my experience with sketchy drives |
| 03:54.05 | fysa | going from jfs back to ext3 was 20MB/sec -> 160MB/sec |
| 03:54.17 | johnx | this was back when I was a kid and putting every spare drive I found into service :) |
| 03:54.18 | fysa | xfs was 183MB/sec.. |
| 03:54.23 | fysa | but I'm happy with 160. ;) |
| 03:54.51 | fysa | ext4 sounds good. |
| 03:55.02 | rm_you | lol? |
| 03:55.13 | rm_you | is there a spec out for that? :P |
| 03:55.17 | johnx | yeah |
| 03:55.18 | rm_you | i don't follow filesystem news :) |
| 03:55.23 | johnx | testing version in the latest kernels |
| 03:55.37 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:55.43 | rm_you | ext is always backwards compatible, eh? |
| 03:56.13 | johnx | yeah |
| 03:56.19 | rm_you | i want to see a brand new filesystem wherein it magically increases the size of the disk by 10x :) that would rock. |
| 03:56.20 | johnx | I wonder how long they'll keep it up... |
| 03:56.34 | johnx | rm_you, jffs2? or squashfs? |
| 03:56.37 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:56.40 | czr | herbal disk extender filesystem? |
| 03:56.49 | johnx | and fuse has a lot of options ... |
| 03:57.03 | rm_you | i've seen programmers do *wonders* with "magic cookies" :P |
| 03:57.08 | czr | johnx, try running reiserfs on broken hw ;-) |
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| 03:57.13 | czr | heh rm_you |
| 03:57.53 | johnx | czr, I think I do remember reiserfs biting me at least once, now that you mention it |
| 03:58.12 | czr | I used to run reiser on most systems until bad things started happening to me :-) |
| 03:58.24 | czr | stuck with ext2/ext3 ever since. for most stuff. |
| 03:58.42 | rm_you | i've never had good luck with xfs :/ |
| 03:58.45 | czr | ext2/ext3 I can at least fix manually (which I've done since), reiserfs/xfs is close to impossible |
| 03:58.45 | johnx | ext2/3 is great though :) My dmesg log 7-8 years ago used to be full of "Error! Resetting IDE bus..." |
| 03:58.50 | elb | I ran reiserfs back when Reiser claimed it didn't need fsck |
| 03:58.52 | rm_you | and i used to use reiser, but it started annoying me too <_< |
| 03:58.55 | elb | then I lost data |
| 03:58.57 | rm_you | so i'm back to ext3 <_< |
| 03:59.01 | elb | I've never looked at it since |
| 03:59.03 | johnx | yeah fsck.ext3 just bailed me out yesterday O_o |
| 03:59.25 | czr | well, ext3 is good even if fsck.ext3 fails. since it's very simple, you could actually fix it manually |
| 03:59.37 | johnx | I remember undeleting files on ext2 manually |
| 03:59.48 | czr | not saying that you should, but could. I needed to do that once (backups? what backups!?) |
| 04:00.14 | elb | heh I've never fixed it manually, but there used to be some tool called like 'debugfs' or something |
| 04:00.16 | johnx | czr, yeah. thousands of dollars of stuff on a server at a civil engineering firm |
| 04:00.28 | elb | which was a few steps up from manual ;-) |
| 04:00.49 | johnx | heh...and FAT is so freaking easy to cope with manually |
| 04:01.11 | johnx | in college a guy on my floor had his digital camera eat the FAT on his CF card in his camera |
| 04:01.28 | johnx | I wrote a picture extractor in bash in one night O_o |
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| 04:01.40 | elb | it has the advantage of not being a real filesystem, in any respect which matters ;-) |
| 04:01.44 | johnx | yes |
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| 04:02.03 | johnx | and as such you can hold the entire design of it in your head at once :) |
| 04:03.25 | elb | iso9660 is pretty easy to parse, too, provided whatever built the filesystem didn't actually take advantage of all the options it had available to it ;-) |
| 04:03.25 | johnx | heh |
| 04:03.41 | johnx | anyways, I'm out of here for now |
| 04:03.43 | johnx | 'later all |
| 04:04.03 | oil | smackpotato: are you still here? |
| 04:04.54 | smackpotato | ya im here |
| 04:05.18 | oil | great. would you have time for some newbie questions of gpsd? |
| 04:05.40 | smackpotato | i dont know to much |
| 04:05.56 | oil | I understood you made the fix for gpsd? |
| 04:06.20 | smackpotato | that would be incorect |
| 04:06.28 | oil | ah ok. sorry then. |
| 04:06.48 | smackpotato | i did mention it last night |
| 04:07.15 | smackpotato | hows it working out for you |
| 04:07.45 | oil | well maybe someone could help me. I'm interesting what kind of information gps is providing for gpsd. how the info is delivered. how can I push location information to it from text-file.. and how to read the information from command line |
| 04:08.25 | oil | smackpotato: I did install it, but did not yet try it in real usage |
| 04:08.59 | smackpotato | it worked for a little while for me |
| 04:09.23 | smackpotato | but today seems slow again |
| 04:09.55 | elb | I don't know if the nokia gpsd is the standard linux gpsd, but if it is, it simply reads nmea sentences from an nmea device |
| 04:10.30 | oil | elb: how could I push the info to it? and what kind of info is needed? |
| 04:10.33 | elb | you can't push location information to it from a text file as-is, although you could create a fake tty device and feed it position from there |
| 04:10.43 | elb | nmea, as I said |
| 04:10.51 | elb | which is a gps standard communication protocol |
| 04:10.57 | oil | can I tell the gpsd 'your location is now 1.2222, 3.44444' ? |
| 04:11.15 | dragorn | elb: it is. gpsd 2.32 |
| 04:11.40 | elb | oil: http://gpsd.berlios.de/gps-hacking.html |
| 04:11.46 | dragorn | oil: fakegps is used for testing gpsd, but generally you don't push info to gpsd, you pull from |
| 04:11.55 | oil | elb: thanks. I'll take a look |
| 04:11.57 | elb | oil: I found that as the first link for googling 'gpsd' |
| 04:12.22 | oil | dragorn: ok. |
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| 04:13.08 | oil | what I'm looking for is to speedup the gps location. kind of a a-gps. could be done just by pointing an location on the map.. or with wlan access |
| 04:13.43 | smackpotato | i found it strange that it didn't know the time befor i locked on |
| 04:13.46 | dragorn | ah. I doubt that's possible with gpsd, but you may prove me wrong. |
| 04:14.34 | dragorn | oil: gpsd just parses NMEA coming out of the GPS, which provides sat pos, strength, and computed position, I suspect you'd need docs on the chip internals and what language/protocol it expects to seed info |
| 04:14.43 | dragorn | oil: But check, I may be wrong. |
| 04:14.48 | smackpotato | maybe i removed the battery or something |
| 04:16.01 | oil | dragorn: is there a better way to do this? maybe even for n800 without any gps device? |
| 04:16.22 | dragorn | oil: Theres a few companies doing geopos based on wifi networks |
| 04:16.43 | dragorn | oil: You could derive the list of networks from iwlist scan (or writing code to parse the ioctls directly for the same info) |
| 04:17.18 | oil | so that when I come home. the n800 will note that it's assosiated to my home wlan.. and pushes the informartion to gpsd which will give it to maemo mapper |
| 04:17.25 | dragorn | oil: Or via kismet, but then you're in rfmon and lack the ability to connect upstream, so you probably wouldn't want to do it that way since I think all of those services require you to talk up |
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| 04:18.36 | dragorn | awesome. segv. |
| 04:18.48 | dragorn | oil: what would the point of pushing fake locations into maemo-mapper be? |
| 04:19.32 | oil | dragorn: so that I would get the device location even without real gps connection |
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| 04:21.17 | oil | in an city environment I could see where I am and what is around |
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| 05:14.20 | acydlord | weird, something i installed on my n810 borked the backlight settings and my power button doesnt work when the device is powered on |
| 05:14.32 | acydlord | i should have checked for bugs between each app i installed |
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| 05:15.57 | acydlord | aha, found the culprit, powerlaunch |
| 05:16.49 | zetheroo | someone helped me a week ago to update the OS on the N800 and it was very simple.... |
| 05:17.04 | zetheroo | can I get some help again on this? |
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| 05:20.03 | steri | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html you could try that one |
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| 05:25.43 | zetheroo | I am working in Ubuntu Gutsy |
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| 05:29.58 | zetheroo | anyone? |
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| 05:36.17 | zetheroo | zeth@zeth-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 05:36.17 | zetheroo | sudo: ./flasher-3.0: command not found |
| 05:36.21 | zetheroo | why is this? |
| 05:38.31 | jacques | is ./flasher-3.0 executable? |
| 05:38.48 | zetheroo | its supposed to be |
| 05:38.59 | zetheroo | I am following this |
| 05:39.01 | zetheroo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c06747 |
| 05:39.36 | oil | what does: ls -l flash* show? |
| 05:39.59 | zetheroo | asking me? |
| 05:40.05 | oil | yes |
| 05:40.27 | zetheroo | zeth@zeth-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ ls -l flash* |
| 05:40.27 | zetheroo | -rw-r--r-- 1 zeth zeth 40236 2008-02-05 16:36 flasher-3.0 |
| 05:40.35 | jacques | :-\ |
| 05:40.45 | jacques | chmod +x flasher-3.0 |
| 05:40.45 | dragorn | not executeable |
| 05:40.53 | oil | jep |
| 05:41.10 | zetheroo | hey thanks |
| 05:41.14 | zetheroo | its working now |
| 05:41.41 | zetheroo | they ahould put that in the documentation |
| 05:41.44 | jacques | np |
| 05:44.33 | zetheroo | for some reason holding the home button down while powering on is not working.... |
| 05:45.13 | zetheroo | tried it about 8 times now |
| 05:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Home down home key, then continue holding down home and turn it on? |
| 05:46.29 | dragorn | run flasher. Leave it seeking for a device. Turn on the device, on a charged battery, not plugged in to AC. |
| 05:46.43 | dragorn | I've never had to mess with the home button if done in that order |
| 05:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it'll catch it like that. |
| 05:47.07 | zetheroo | dragorn: hey that worked |
| 05:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | Home just makes it wait for you, which can be mildly more convenient. |
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| 06:56.53 | timely | so, does anyone have contact info for wazd? |
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| 07:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but you wont like it, timely. ;) |
| 07:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9921 |
| 07:16.00 | rm_you | blegh |
| 07:16.15 | rm_you | every time i pick up my n800, it's off >_> |
| 07:16.18 | rm_you | but with full battery |
| 07:16.26 | rm_you | i must have installed something that's triggering watchdog <_< |
| 07:16.33 | rm_you | how do i turn it off? |
| 07:16.40 | rm_you | bleh. i'll look on the forums tomorrow |
| 07:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | Watchdog would reboot. |
| 07:16.46 | rm_you | erm? |
| 07:16.48 | rm_you | it would? |
| 07:16.50 | rm_you | >_> |
| 07:16.50 | rm_you | hrm |
| 07:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | Watchdog doesn't turn it off. |
| 07:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just reboots. |
| 07:17.00 | rm_you | yeah.... it keeps being *OFF* |
| 07:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | low battery would turn it off. |
| 07:17.04 | rm_you | but it isn't |
| 07:17.08 | rm_you | i turn it back on and it's at full |
| 07:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:17.18 | rm_you | it even turns off WHILE CHARGING |
| 07:17.27 | rm_you | like i leave it charging overnight and in the morning its off again |
| 07:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds bad. |
| 07:17.47 | rm_you | hasnt ever turned off on me while in use tho |
| 07:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | Got a backup on SD you could boot from? |
| 07:17.51 | rm_you | so i guess that's a plus... so far |
| 07:18.01 | rm_you | ? |
| 07:18.06 | rm_you | no... |
| 07:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | Isolate whether it's actually software. |
| 07:18.22 | rm_you | i could try johnx's debian :P |
| 07:18.26 | rm_you | i've been meaning to anyway |
| 07:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's fun. |
| 07:18.58 | rm_you | it better not be the hardware.... i take ridiculously good care of this thing |
| 07:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | I wish we had access to Debian's ARMEL repo within maemo. :( |
| 07:19.57 | rm_you | crap, i still need to package up that new backlight file i sent you <_< |
| 07:20.03 | rm_you | tomorrow!! ... maybe |
| 07:20.10 | rm_you | inz: you there? |
| 07:20.33 | inz | rm, yup |
| 07:20.47 | rm_you | inz: you set up the packaging system i'm using now... |
| 07:20.55 | rm_you | i just forgot what command to run :P |
| 07:21.06 | inz | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? |
| 07:21.27 | rm_you | probably it :P |
| 07:21.32 | inz | Btw, I forgot to set the Section to user/something in debian/control, I don't know if someone else told you to do that? |
| 07:21.41 | rm_you | ah |
| 07:21.42 | rm_you | i didn't |
| 07:21.47 | rm_you | whichwhat now? |
| 07:22.03 | inz | Edit the debian/control and change the line saying Section: |
| 07:22.23 | inz | It should be something like Section: user/Utilities |
| 07:22.51 | rm_you | kk. i hope thats right :P |
| 07:23.02 | rm_you | what files do i need to edit when i make a new release? |
| 07:23.09 | rm_you | anything have a version number in it? |
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| 07:28.29 | inz | debian/changelog |
| 07:28.35 | inz | You can also use dch |
| 07:28.56 | inz | dch -v new_version "Change that was made" |
| 07:29.08 | rm_you | k. |
| 07:29.23 | rm_you | how do i tell it to clean the directory so i can tar up the sources? >_> |
| 07:29.55 | inz | fakeroot debian/rules clean should do something at least |
| 07:30.34 | rm_you | nm it makes me a nice clean source package :P |
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| 07:31.27 | rm_you | anyone know how to DELETE releases in the garage admin thing? |
| 07:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | When's it get to Extras? |
| 07:32.28 | rm_you | i'm not sure how to do that... from what i can tell, i still have to ask someone to put me on a list or something <_< |
| 07:32.32 | rm_you | but i'm not sure who |
| 07:32.49 | rm_you | to tell the truth, i really wanted it in extras but i got bogged down in social stuff recently |
| 07:33.02 | rm_you | so i didnt do as much research as I should have :/ |
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| 07:36.13 | rm_you | bah |
| 07:36.19 | rm_you | i fail at figuring out this interface |
| 07:36.28 | rm_you | i just want to add a new file under an existing release name <_< |
| 07:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:39.55 | rm_you | AH |
| 07:39.56 | rm_you | got it |
| 07:40.01 | rm_you | i hate this interface <_< so confusing |
| 07:40.16 | rm_you | anyway, the 0.6 deb and gz is on the garage <_< |
| 07:40.46 | rm_you | though for some reason in the file list, the 0.5 release name is in BOLD and the newer 0.6 is in small text |
| 07:40.48 | rm_you | wtf |
| 07:41.04 | rm_you | holy crap, this thing has 240+ downloads!?! |
| 07:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | Told you I would stump. :P |
| 07:42.28 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:42.35 | rm_you | wow, 45 downloads on the 27th <_< |
| 07:42.44 | rm_you | not bad |
| 07:42.51 | rm_you | anyway... any ideas on how to get this in extras? |
| 07:42.59 | rm_you | i'd like to be able to apt-get upgrade and have it pop in :P |
| 07:44.32 | solmumaha | what app are we talking about here? |
| 07:44.37 | rm_you | advanced-backlight |
| 07:44.50 | solmumaha | ah, it's nice, i have it |
| 07:44.53 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:44.58 | rm_you | 0.6 is out |
| 07:45.01 | rm_you | improvements :) |
| 07:45.24 | solmumaha | does it close if you click somewhere else now? |
| 07:45.28 | rm_you | yes |
| 07:45.31 | rm_you | for the most part... |
| 07:45.37 | rm_you | still some kinks with that. but yes :P |
| 07:45.43 | rm_you | also, it has a border :P |
| 07:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | Only along the statusbar and taskbar area. |
| 07:45.48 | rm_you | so it doesnt look quite as horrible |
| 07:45.55 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it closes when i click on other programs <_< |
| 07:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | Not here. |
| 07:46.18 | rm_you | just not when i click in blank space in windows like the control panel |
| 07:46.19 | solmumaha | thank you for it, it's nice to make it more dim in dark |
| 07:46.32 | rm_you | :P np |
| 07:46.41 | rm_you | happy to give back to the community |
| 07:46.48 | GeneralAntilles | Next we need a volume slider. |
| 07:47.11 | solmumaha | with 0.1 steps |
| 07:47.26 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hrm.... you're right... i guess it does only close with clicks on the left... |
| 07:47.29 | rm_you | which doesnt make sense |
| 07:47.47 | rm_you | i switched to using the hildon popup interface, which is supposed to handle focus changes correctly... |
| 07:48.01 | rm_you | i guess i'll have to try it manually :/ |
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| 07:52.52 | GeneralAntilles | Or con somebody at Nokia into telling you what they use. |
| 07:54.11 | rm_you | lol yeah >_> |
| 07:54.15 | rm_you | seriously, wtf |
| 07:54.36 | rm_you | ah well. anyway, sent an email off to what i hope is the right person to get set up for the extras repo |
| 07:55.08 | rm_you | and now, i require sleepage. ^_^ |
| 07:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
| 07:55.52 | rm_you | oh, right... so i looked into the volume thing... making the bar show up is easy. hooking it up to anything is much harder. I need to find out if i can make volume level changes via dbus or gconf or what, and if i can, how to do that :P |
| 07:56.14 | rm_you | feel free to briefly research that :P |
| 07:58.42 | solmumaha | rm_you: volume is possible with gconf at least |
| 07:58.49 | solmumaha | i'm using it myself |
| 07:59.06 | rm_you | thats what i thought from my brief checking... |
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| 07:59.23 | rm_you | IE, i dumped gconf and looked up "volume" and found which ones changed when i hit different buttons |
| 07:59.29 | rm_you | mute seems to just multiply by -1 |
| 07:59.44 | rm_you | which makes sense, cause then it stores the old volume and the mute status in one variable :P |
| 08:00.03 | solmumaha | /apps/osso/sound/master_volume |
| 08:00.13 | rm_you | i guess i'll just look for an interface to gconf in C tomorrow |
| 08:00.14 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:00.36 | rm_you | and also try to figure out how to set up my own options system |
| 08:00.41 | rm_you | because this is getting complex <_< |
| 08:01.21 | rm_you | i'll need a "show volume?" checkbox, and a "DANGER! DANGER! ALLOW ZERO BACKLIGHT ON N800! DANGER!" checkbox :P |
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| 08:52.18 | rm_you | fscking hell |
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| 08:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | fs troubse/ |
| 08:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | erg, fs troubles? |
| 08:55.06 | rm_you | i decided to try to do this instead of sleeping <_< |
| 08:55.16 | rm_you | damn, it crashes |
| 08:55.18 | rm_you | hrm |
| 08:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | That was your first mistake. |
| 08:57.17 | rm_you | <_< |
| 08:58.21 | rm_you | i wonder why it crashes <_< |
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| 09:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | powerlaunch is mildly overwhelming but entirely too awesome. |
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| 09:18.36 | _collin_ | hi |
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| 09:27.08 | inz | rm, what do you try to do? |
| 09:27.11 | inz | rm, volume control? |
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| 09:32.10 | rm_you | inz: yes, also... i got it :P |
| 09:32.11 | rm_you | almost done |
| 09:32.58 | solmumaha | new release today? |
| 09:33.01 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:33.05 | rm_you | two actually |
| 09:33.10 | rm_you | so wait a minute :P |
| 09:33.31 | solmumaha | i'm in no hurry, have to update n810 for a friend today, could install it too |
| 09:34.16 | inz | rm, did you include a gconf notify handler that updates the slider if someone changes the volume from another place? |
| 09:34.27 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:34.33 | inz | good |
| 09:34.35 | rm_you | it's all nice :) |
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| 09:35.42 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:36.08 | inz | huomenta |
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| 09:41.36 | cizarro | anyone using OS2008 in a virtual SSID-environment? The network selection GUI is broken with those. |
| 09:41.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:41.52 | Altcod3r | Hello. |
| 09:42.44 | Altcod3r | Hey, I am new to using the whole internet tablet thing (only got my n800 today), and I was wondering if someone could help me with a download problem? |
| 09:45.55 | inz | Altcod3r, what kind of download problem? |
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| 09:54.41 | scibot | Has anybody figured out how to pixel doubling in pygame yet? |
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| 09:57.02 | Altcod3r | Inz, I am using OS2008, and am trying to download a game from maemo.org. I go to the manager, and it just says 'Download 1kb'. |
| 09:57.45 | scibot | That's a one tiny game. |
| 09:58.28 | scibot | Could be just downloading a error page. |
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| 10:01.27 | Altcod3r | No, it doesn't download the whole thing. |
| 10:01.33 | Altcod3r | it says it is still downloading. |
| 10:01.37 | Alendit | hi, folks |
| 10:01.52 | Altcod3r | I don't know if it is a DNS error or something. |
| 10:02.08 | scibot | Hi Alendit. |
| 10:02.19 | X-Fade | Altcod3r: What game are you trying to download? |
| 10:04.31 | Altcod3r | LXDoom |
| 10:04.38 | Altcod3r | For OS 2008. |
| 10:05.44 | inz | alt, hmh, probably some maemo.org messup once again |
| 10:06.00 | Altcod3r | Haha, really? |
| 10:06.31 | Altcod3r | I will try it tomorrow morning, and if it doesn't work I will try another WIFI connection. |
| 10:06.32 | inz | it's been broken quite often lately |
| 10:07.06 | Altcod3r | Is there anywhere else I ca get games from? |
| 10:07.12 | Altcod3r | can* |
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| 10:09.10 | inz | alt, if you like puzzles, you can try http://maemo-hackers.org/sgt-puzzles.install |
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| 10:10.18 | pupnik_ | those are great |
| 10:10.24 | pupnik_ | perfect for the tablet |
| 10:10.36 | pupnik_ | but they clusterbomb the extras menu |
| 10:11.05 | Altcod3r | Meh, if it gets too much i can just remove them. |
| 10:11.08 | Altcod3r | thanks inz =] |
| 10:11.37 | solmumaha | i think pupnik.de has games too |
| 10:12.29 | Altcod3r | Do they work on OS 2008? I was told the 2007 games didn't work. |
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| 10:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Wish they would give up back a decent Applications Menu. |
| 10:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | I can dig the finger-friendly setup |
| 10:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | but we really need subfolders or something. |
| 10:14.20 | pupnik_ | Altcod3r: i found that many SDL games don't care whether they're running on os2006, 2007 or 2008 |
| 10:14.48 | Altcod3r | Awesome, thanks =] |
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| 10:15.31 | inz | general, with libhildonsomething, you can actually create subfolders |
| 10:15.32 | scibot | Dang it I so want to do some python games. =/ |
| 10:15.53 | inz | general, they dont work too well though |
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| 10:17.45 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: BAAAAAAA |
| 10:17.48 | rm_you | got it i think |
| 10:18.00 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you get to be the first lucky test subject |
| 10:19.24 | Altcod3r | On pupnik.de, should I save the files, or open them? |
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| 10:20.00 | Altcod3r | i guess it is just the same as saving other programs, so i will save them. |
| 10:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just open. |
| 10:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | If they're .debs. |
| 10:21.06 | Altcod3r | Ok, thanks =] |
| 10:21.10 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.7-1_armel.deb |
| 10:21.57 | rm_you | solmumaha: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.7-1_armel.deb |
| 10:22.39 | rm_you | I can't believe i just did that instead of sleeping <_< |
| 10:22.54 | rm_you | damn my mixture of insomnia and obsession with code >_< |
| 10:23.07 | Altcod3r | haha |
| 10:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 10:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | Looks good. |
| 10:23.42 | inz | rm, i know the feeling |
| 10:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just needs a horizontal rule, a new icon, and a system sound ping when you change the volume. :D |
| 10:24.15 | inz | rm, after some rest you can review the code and thing wtf was i thinking |
| 10:24.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:24.56 | jkyro | like, http://crap.teurasporsaat.org/archive/6246.jpg |
| 10:26.12 | rm_you | inz: i'll definately think that... i ended up using some really frinky logic with all the volume change signals <_< |
| 10:26.19 | rm_you | we'll see if it makes sense in the morning |
| 10:27.30 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: remind me tomorrow <_< or whenever i get on next |
| 10:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 10:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | Will do. |
| 10:27.40 | rm_you | i'll hold off on releasing 0.7 until i make those changes |
| 10:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | volume control is weirdly short |
| 10:28.57 | rm_you | yeah dunno wtf |
| 10:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | looks like it's almost a child of the backlight control. |
| 10:29.08 | rm_you | i'm not sure if i even have the option to size those widgets |
| 10:29.23 | rm_you | the first one just kind of turned out the right size <_< |
| 10:29.29 | rm_you | i'll look into it |
| 10:29.34 | rm_you | LATER |
| 10:33.54 | rm_you | wow... http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204055141&SearchEngine=DealTime&SearchTerm=204055141&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15891 |
| 10:34.00 | rm_you | $190 <_< |
| 10:34.03 | rm_you | ack! |
| 10:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | Damn |
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| 10:43.31 | Retten | Hello... |
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| 10:47.31 | lardman | morning |
| 10:49.02 | Retten | anyone familiar with 2007HE on a 770? |
| 10:49.14 | Retten | I'm running into a snag trying to get becomeroot |
| 10:49.48 | pupnik_ | what is problem? |
| 10:50.15 | Retten | the package is not showing up in app manager after I add the repositories... red pill mode or blue pill mode. |
| 10:50.27 | Retten | is there an alternate rep for it? |
| 10:50.55 | pupnik_ | ^^ |
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| 10:51.09 | Retten | yeah, I'll look up the process for R&D mode |
| 10:51.21 | lardman | You use the flasher to set a flag |
| 10:51.41 | lardman | nice and easy :) |
| 10:51.42 | pupnik_ | Retten: what does 'sudo gainroot' typed in xterm return for you now? |
| 10:51.46 | Retten | I remember becomeroot being really easy when I first got the 770, was hoping to use it again cause I'm lazy... 8) |
| 10:52.13 | Retten | it returns a smart-assed line about "use R&D mode if you want to break your device" |
| 10:52.38 | pupnik_ | ok i don't remember what i did for os2007he |
| 10:52.40 | Alendit | i get root with ssh localhost ^^ |
| 10:52.45 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 10:52.59 | Alendit | somehow its a problem on my n800 to make sudo gainroot |
| 10:53.16 | Retten | yeah, I'm installing dropbear right now, wqas going to use the alternate root access through SSH |
| 10:53.54 | Retten | the eventual goal is to have 2006 on the flash, and 2007HE on a 2gb MMC. (Kingston) |
| 10:53.58 | |tbb| | retten: go gronmayer.de/it then search for becomeroot add eko.pl repository ,after then install become root from application manager |
| 10:54.20 | Retten | ok, I'll give that a try |
| 10:58.00 | Retten | hmmm... dropbear is taking a while to install |
| 10:58.12 | lardman | prob does keygen |
| 10:59.41 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16186 |
| 10:59.52 | lardman | he has a good point, what is the Easter Egg? |
| 11:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | Notthing. |
| 11:01.33 | lardman | so where did the rumours start? |
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| 11:05.56 | X-Fade | lardman: Texrat? :) |
| 11:06.46 | lardman | Yeah, drumming up interest I suppose |
| 11:07.13 | X-Fade | I still haven't seen high res pictures of the inside of a N810? :) |
| 11:07.32 | lardman | I thought most of the chips were obscured anyway |
| 11:08.16 | lardman | by metal shields, so it will have to wait for a completely dead one that someone is willing to sacrifice |
| 11:08.36 | lardman | I wonder if the repair manual will appear in due course, that's as good |
| 11:09.08 | X-Fade | lardman: Nah, you can pop them off. But it won't be pretty :) |
| 11:10.15 | Retten | Thanks for the help, got becomeroot installed, now I'm off to handle the rest! |
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| 11:13.27 | florian | good morning |
| 11:16.11 | lardman | morning florian |
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| 11:28.36 | Altcod3r | Hey, I have downloaded Super Mario Wars from pupnik.de, and i was wondering how i play it after i installed it? |
| 11:29.33 | lardman | pupnik: might be one for you :) |
| 11:29.42 | b0unc3 | Altcod3r: open up the terminal and type smw |
| 11:29.51 | Altcod3r | terminal? |
| 11:30.00 | b0unc3 | osso-xterm |
| 11:30.08 | pupnik | oh hi |
| 11:30.37 | pupnik | working on another game port atm - but SMW should get attention soon |
| 11:31.00 | lardman | come on pupnik I want to fly over textured terrain! |
| 11:31.17 | pupnik | making a game out of it lardman. got controls dialed-in now. |
| 11:31.25 | lardman | cool :) |
| 11:31.49 | pupnik | not gonna do textures though |
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| 11:32.26 | lardman | booo ;) |
| 11:32.55 | pupnik | i think i can incorporate gameplay and keep fps ~60 though |
| 11:33.00 | pupnik | and that'd be pretty much a first |
| 11:33.09 | Altcod3r | I can see osso-xterm in my application mamanger, but I don't know what to do from here =[ |
| 11:33.15 | lardman | you could sacrifice 58fps and do textures! |
| 11:33.32 | lardman | Altcod3r: open it, and type at the terminal which will appear |
| 11:33.36 | pupnik | exactly |
| 11:34.04 | Altcod3r | I don't know how to open it though =[ |
| 11:34.18 | lardman | tap on the icon |
| 11:34.26 | lardman | ah, app manager |
| 11:34.30 | lardman | what machine is this? |
| 11:34.37 | Altcod3r | n800 |
| 11:34.41 | lardman | os2008? |
| 11:34.44 | Altcod3r | yes |
| 11:34.51 | lardman | should be pre-installed then |
| 11:35.01 | lardman | on the utilities menu, right down the bottom |
| 11:35.04 | lardman | iirc |
| 11:35.13 | Altcod3r | :O |
| 11:35.16 | Altcod3r | Thank you! |
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| 11:35.59 | Altcod3r | So after the ~ $ I put SMW? |
| 11:36.10 | pupnik | small letters yes |
| 11:36.18 | Altcod3r | oooo |
| 11:36.21 | Altcod3r | thank you so much =] |
| 11:38.13 | |tbb| | hi collin |
| 11:38.55 | |tbb| | _collin_ could u port the iodine for bora also so i can use it with my n770 HE |
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| 11:42.44 | booiiing__ | lol, i got a funny spam-mail: |
| 11:42.47 | booiiing__ | We are delighted to inform you of your prize and Brand new Apple Iphone |
| 11:42.47 | booiiing__ | Nokia 8GB release on the 25th Jan, 2008 from the NOKIA 'N' SERIES NEW |
| 11:42.47 | booiiing__ | YEAR PROGRAM. |
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| 11:53.24 | kennyyu | hi all, just wish to see whether you have tried 'ddd' to debug mozilla, and do you know how? |
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| 12:06.01 | pupnik | no! no! nooooo! Windows 95 on the tablets... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15893 |
| 12:07.26 | lardman | Anyway i was wondering whether running Garnet Vm and booting Windows 95 from there might be somewhat possible. |
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| 12:07.35 | lardman | 2 layers of emulation, sounds painful |
| 12:08.34 | glass_ | sounds pointless |
| 12:08.37 | glass_ | and clueless |
| 12:08.49 | glass_ | a recipe for someone to waste hours and hours and hours |
| 12:08.49 | lardman | clueless certainly, I imagine it's very very very slow |
| 12:08.59 | lardman | but not pointless, if it can be done why not :) |
| 12:13.07 | lardman | though there are certainly other things I'd do before that, like tidying the house |
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| 12:26.24 | hrw | does someone know how to make 'PL_pl' locale appear as 'Polski' in controlpanel? |
| 12:36.42 | lardman | I added a feature request for AGPS: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2890 |
| 12:41.29 | pupnik | http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb missing |
| 12:41.55 | pupnik | ah new version |
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| 13:33.21 | pupnik | How to tell good code from bad code: http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg |
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| 13:34.10 | X-Fade | pupnik: :) |
| 13:35.22 | solmumaha | it's wise to write shitty undocumented code |
| 13:35.56 | X-Fade | solmumaha: So you at least don't make dumb mistakes in the comments? |
| 13:36.09 | solmumaha | company can't replace you |
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| 13:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 13:40.52 | inz | pupnik, reminds me of: 12:24 < jkyro> like, http://crap.teurasporsaat.org/archive/6246.jpg |
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| 13:46.57 | pupnik | http://maemostuff.com/ much coolness here |
| 13:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to invest some time into putting together some customization kits for powerlaunch |
| 13:51.06 | X-Fade | pupnik: Indeed, cool stuff. |
| 13:59.02 | fysa | I think johnx was looking for a battery monitor solution for debian-armel.. |
| 13:59.33 | X-Fade | Jaffa: What can I do for you? |
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| 14:03.26 | Jaffa | X-Fade: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16114&page=2#post138084 in relation to http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/01/13/solving_the_lack_of_qa_and_muliple_repos |
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| 14:04.28 | Alendit_ | juhu, mein female/female usb adapter is here !!!! :) |
| 14:04.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I have been working on that all day today ;) |
| 14:04.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: And Quim just mailed me about it too ;) |
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| 14:05.19 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool, excellent :-) |
| 14:05.41 | Jaffa | Of course, given my box is currently suffering somewhat with dying harddrives, mail delivery may be "fun". |
| 14:06.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm trying to get the stats for extras. So developers can see how popular their app is. |
| 14:06.40 | X-Fade | Jaffa: And am also trying to find out if we can use some auto builder from Nokia, or if we should start making our own.. |
| 14:07.07 | hrw | does someone know how to make custom keyboard layouts for maemo? |
| 14:07.25 | inz | Isn't maemostuff.com misusing the maemo name |
| 14:07.35 | hrw | additional ones, not changing present ones |
| 14:07.43 | X-Fade | hrw: There is an alternative layouts project on garage, I think.. |
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| 14:08.02 | inz | IIRC nokia made a comment that the name maemo should not be used by others than Nokia |
| 14:08.23 | hrw | X-Fade: arabic/hebrew one? |
| 14:08.41 | X-Fade | inz: And all projects that were started before the trademark was active.. |
| 14:09.11 | X-Fade | hrw: I thought there was an other one too. |
| 14:09.11 | inz | X-Fade, but maemostuff.com was created 30-Jan-08 |
| 14:09.11 | hrw | ok |
| 14:09.11 | Alendit_ | i bet there still noone who wants to test offline wikipedia for n8x0? ^^ |
| 14:09.44 | X-Fade | hrw: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xkblayouts/ ? |
| 14:09.56 | X-Fade | inz: That would violate the trademark. |
| 14:10.18 | inz | X-Fade, (I registered maemo-hackers.org on 31-May-2005, so I'm not violating ;) |
| 14:10.39 | hrw | X-Fade: I am there |
| 14:11.14 | X-Fade | inz: http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/ |
| 14:11.37 | |tbb| | aendit where did you get it from (usb gender changer) |
| 14:11.56 | Alendit_ | from amazon |
| 14:12.22 | Alendit_ | or no, ive got it from ebay, but there also one on amazon |
| 14:12.51 | dphil9000 | What if he pronounces maemo differently? |
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| 14:15.42 | jott | mae-most-uff? ;) |
| 14:16.24 | Jaffa | my-mo-stuff - not sure what Mo Stuff is ;-) |
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| 14:16.47 | dphil9000 | itT has the right idea |
| 14:17.30 | dphil9000 | Not using the name may-mo, my-mo, or whatever it is |
| 14:17.45 | X-Fade | Jaffa: How would you think we proceed with extras? Try to get the promoting interface up and gather some sort of Motu group? |
| 14:21.18 | Jaffa | X-Fade: yeah, that's what I'd've said was the next step |
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| 14:28.06 | hrw | X-Fade: they workaround problem ;( |
| 14:28.30 | hrw | X-Fade: and replace one of official layouts with own (at least it looks like) |
| 14:32.25 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm looking into https://garage.maemo.org/promoter-beta/interface.py |
| 14:32.48 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But it won't let me in atm ;) I'll see what's up.. |
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| 14:35.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah, I have access now ;) |
| 14:36.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah sure. A group of people should guard the quality. If a package does bad things it should be demoted.. |
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| 14:42.59 | Tak | and the author stabbed repeatedly |
| 14:43.23 | Alendit_ | vote: the coolest thing you can connect to your nokia with usb! |
| 14:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | A doomsday device. |
| 14:43.43 | Alendit_ | a keyboard is uber |
| 14:44.02 | Alendit_ | well, something you can byuy on amazon ;) |
| 14:44.14 | X-Fade | Any people who could help out with coding the promotion/demotion interface in python? |
| 14:44.39 | Alendit_ | prmotion/demotion? |
| 14:44.55 | Alendit_ | not that i would be a python hacker ^^ im just curious |
| 14:44.57 | X-Fade | Misha has done a lot of work already, I think he wouldn't mind a helping hand.. |
| 14:45.05 | X-Fade | Alendit_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013921.html |
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| 14:47.05 | Tak | GeneralAntilles, Alendit_: http://tinyurl.com/yu7tqe |
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| 14:48.30 | Bofu2U | quick Q, anyone have any suggestions for a program to stream video form a nokia n810 to a desktop (the built in camera/mic) |
| 14:48.30 | Alendit_ | rofl |
| 14:49.03 | Alendit_ | but this one got no usb && |
| 14:49.08 | Alendit_ | ^^ |
| 14:49.42 | _collin_ | Bofu2U: use gtalk |
| 14:49.54 | _collin_ | just need a gtalk client on your PC |
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| 14:49.57 | pupnik | remember the system shock hack project? |
| 14:49.57 | pupnik | would be wonderful to play ultima underworld games on portables |
| 14:50.01 | _collin_ | then call the PC from your device |
| 14:50.03 | lardman | I take back most of my abuse about the built-in GPS, my iBlue couldn't get a lock on my balcony either. The built in got a lock on my 5min trip back to work |
| 14:50.19 | hrw | does someone know is it possible to edit list of chars which appear after press of 'Chr' key (n810)? |
| 14:50.20 | Bofu2U | _collin_: I thought about that, one pre-req is the PC needs to accept multiple-streams and display them at the same time heh |
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| 14:50.32 | Tak | pupnik: yeah, that's what I was thinking about the other day when I mentioned the UW ports |
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| 14:50.43 | _collin_ | Bofu2U: then take a look at gstreamer |
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| 14:51.05 | _collin_ | Bofu2U: you will need to write code ... I guess |
| 14:51.11 | Bofu2U | gstreamer? thanks a lot. :) |
| 14:51.12 | |tbb| | hi collin |
| 14:51.20 | |tbb| | have you noticed my request? |
| 14:51.21 | Bofu2U | that was the plan collin, so that works for me. Thanks a lot. :) |
| 14:51.26 | jku | could a N800 owner check the version of 'osso-gpsd' on OS2008 2.2007.50-2? |
| 14:51.32 | _collin_ | |tbb|: what request? |
| 14:51.45 | jku | "apt-cache show osso-gpsd" should work |
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| 14:52.05 | |tbb| | iodine4.1 for bora also, need it for my n770 he |
| 14:52.21 | hrw | "apt-cache policy" is better |
| 14:52.35 | _collin_ | |tbb|: mmh I would need to install the older sdk ... |
| 14:53.01 | _collin_ | |tbb|: I'll do it if both SDKs work nicely together |
| 14:53.05 | hrw | jku: hi |
| 14:53.17 | X-Fade | Jaffa, Tak: Do you guys also think that the many repositories problem is also caused by the hassle to upload packages to extras? It is easier to create your own repository? |
| 14:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | 1.0-25 |
| 14:53.23 | lardman | jku: I got a reply |
| 14:53.38 | jku | hrw, right you are (hi!) |
| 14:53.41 | _collin_ | X-Fade: that was my point |
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| 14:53.48 | jku | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
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| 14:53.59 | jku | that explains a _lot_ |
| 14:54.10 | X-Fade | _collin_: Yeah, so we would need a better upload interface too ;) |
| 14:54.12 | Tak | X-Fade: I think that the difficulty to upload packages to extras is /one/ of the causes of the many-repositories problem |
| 14:54.22 | hrw | jku: I am trying to be main source of hard questions which no one is able to answer |
| 14:54.27 | X-Fade | Tak: yeah, ofcourse ;) |
| 14:54.28 | jku | lardman,yeah? |
| 14:54.49 | lardman | jku: nvd_data may contain the almanac/ephemeris |
| 14:54.53 | hrw | X-Fade: maemo still lack autobuilder functionality? |
| 14:55.29 | lardman | jku: I've added a bug to see if we can get either a yes/no on AGPS or a format for that file to DIY |
| 14:55.33 | X-Fade | hrw: They use that inside Nokia. But there is nothing available for the community...... yet. |
| 14:55.53 | hrw | X-Fade: maemo is young.. just 4 years... |
| 14:55.54 | hrw | ;D |
| 14:56.01 | lardman | hrw: I thought that was where chinook-compat comes in? |
| 14:56.05 | _collin_ | building is easy |
| 14:56.06 | Tak | I suspect that the primary cause is people not wanting to do anything more than build a deb and cp blah.deb /var/www/maemo |
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| 14:56.16 | _collin_ | dh_make + dpkgbuildpackage |
| 14:56.24 | Tak | no amount of friendlifying garage extras will help that |
| 14:56.26 | hrw | lardman: the question is 'will maemo use it' rather |
| 14:56.27 | lardman | easy but annoying to have to build lots of deps |
| 14:56.30 | jku | lardman, good, hope they won't just stone wall |
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| 14:56.38 | X-Fade | _collin_: Dependencies not so much ;) |
| 14:56.55 | lardman | hrw: well if the community start using it, they may see the light |
| 14:56.56 | _collin_ | sure dependencies suck |
| 14:57.43 | |tbb| | _collin_ if i find someone with bora sdk, will it be hard to compile the your 4.1 for bora? |
| 14:58.07 | _collin_ | tbb: no it is dh_make + dpkgbuildpackage |
| 14:58.09 | suihkulokki | the community is not quite "quality-aware" IMO |
| 14:58.10 | trevarthan | Anyone know what "megahoc" is? I see it in my wifi connections list everywhere I go. |
| 14:58.24 | _collin_ | suihkulokki: the problem is the GUI |
| 14:58.27 | suihkulokki | more like people want to "do a quick hack, show it and forget it" |
| 14:59.22 | lardman | suihkulokki: but if those who do build things that are more than a quick hack use OE, and the libs are available for download (what happened to extras?) then perhaps it will grow. Perhaps. |
| 14:59.32 | X-Fade | suihkulokki: Yeah, but asking Marius to block all external repositories in the next Application manager version, isn't a solution either ;) |
| 15:00.02 | _collin_ | X-Fade: if this happen many developers will stop makeing stuff |
| 15:00.12 | X-Fade | _collin_: exactly ;) |
| 15:00.42 | suihkulokki | well it's just classic quality vs quantity then =) |
| 15:00.48 | X-Fade | So we would need to make it as easy as possible, but still guard quality.. |
| 15:01.05 | ||cw | trevarthan: sounds like another adhoc viral network (not a virus, viral like viral video) like "Free Public WiFi" |
| 15:01.16 | _collin_ | X-Fade: quality needs people who review/filter |
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| 15:01.51 | trevarthan | ||cw: you don't see it in your connections? |
| 15:01.56 | _collin_ | developers develop/port then some people need to review .. and upload to extras |
| 15:01.57 | X-Fade | _collin_: Sure, but that is to be done by the community-quality group ;) Via the promotion interface.. |
| 15:02.01 | Jaffa | X-Fade: absolutely: it's easier to create a new repo than upload to extras. |
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| 15:02.17 | ||cw | trevarthan: no, but I don't go to densly populated area's much |
| 15:02.25 | _collin_ | X-Fade: you're laking about maemo.org/downloads ... this is soooo bad /slow |
| 15:02.36 | Jaffa | X-Fade: so that's one of the reasons I suggested a simple web interface which would add it to the CQG (Community-Quality Group)'s queue. |
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| 15:03.00 | X-Fade | _collin_: We are aware of this ;) Will work on that next week, when I'm in Finland. |
| 15:03.07 | _collin_ | X-Fade: nice |
| 15:03.10 | trevarthan | ||cw: I see it in my connections list when I'm out in the middle of the woods. I don't think it actually exists... :) |
| 15:03.27 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yep, I think that is the way forward too.. |
| 15:03.27 | Jaffa | It could also source packages over HTTP or from Garage. So the author says "I want to release some files to extras, they're in Garage project xyzzy" |
| 15:03.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That would be even better ;) |
| 15:03.44 | ||cw | trevarthan: what happens is that people see hte open network and join it and save it, but there's no server or router on the network so nothing happens, but their computer save it so when they turn on the PC and finds no wlan to join it makes that one |
| 15:03.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But let's keep that for 2.0. |
| 15:03.57 | ||cw | trevarthan: ah, then YOU joined it once |
| 15:04.23 | trevarthan | ok. that makes sense. so I should delete it then |
| 15:04.25 | Tak | |tbb|: I still have bora sdk |
| 15:04.44 | Jaffa | X-Fade: agreeed. v3.0 is automatically spotting them in Garage & pushing them to the queue automatically ;-) |
| 15:05.02 | Tak | garage extras repo is separate from downloads.maemo.org, though |
| 15:05.30 | X-Fade | Tak: Yeah, but obviously I want to link them somehow :) |
| 15:05.48 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Heh, yeah that would be really nice. |
| 15:05.49 | Tak | sure, but you're not going to do that while the d.m.o performance is like this... |
| 15:06.07 | |tbb| | tak: would you be that friendly and package the iodine 4.1 (chinook) from collin to bora? |
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| 15:06.10 | X-Fade | Tak: Nope, that is what needs to be fixed first. |
| 15:07.35 | Tak | |tbb|: link? |
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| 15:08.07 | lardman | hrw: how is the building done for the Ansgtrom feeds; that's what we could do with really. Provide packages and people will use them |
| 15:08.30 | lardman | hrw: I.e. auto-builder, or someone manually does "bitbake world" |
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| 15:09.45 | mickeyl | anyone know which API maemo uses to emit the key clicks? gstreamer? |
| 15:10.37 | hrw | lardman: autobuilder has a list of packages to build. |
| 15:10.49 | hrw | lardman: oe/contrib/angstrom/build-feed.sh iirc |
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| 15:12.11 | lardman | hrw: ok, thanks |
| 15:12.43 | lardman | mickeyl: Not gstreamer iirc, the mixing is done in the DSP. Iirc the clicks are produced by alsa/esd/whatever is used nowadays |
| 15:12.47 | hrw | lardman: 'bitbake world' with OE == disaster |
| 15:13.02 | lardman | hrw: and a disaster that takes ages to build too ;) |
| 15:13.15 | hrw | lardman: and breaks |
| 15:13.38 | mickeyl | lardman: the dsp has hardware mixing? |
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| 15:14.21 | lardman | mickeyl: it's a good question, I think not; but I believe that there's a build in mixer task in the DSP |
| 15:14.35 | mickeyl | k, thanks |
| 15:15.42 | lardman | The hw spec sheet for the audio codec is available on the Ti site if you need/want to check |
| 15:15.42 | suihkulokki | mickeyl: the output of all the tasks on /dev/dsp* are mixed on the dsp |
| 15:16.01 | suihkulokki | one of the pcm* is reserved for the annoying clicker |
| 15:16.29 | mickeyl | i see, thank |
| 15:16.30 | lardman | suihkulokki: really, it's called from the kernel then? |
| 15:16.30 | mickeyl | s |
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| 15:17.04 | suihkulokki | lardman: you mean the dsp kernel or linux? |
| 15:17.51 | suihkulokki | well, either way - I don't know =) |
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| 15:18.11 | lardman | suihkulokki: Linux; but don't worry. |
| 15:19.26 | mickeyl | cu |
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| 15:25.33 | Bofu2U | hmm red pill mode work on a nokia n810? I think I'm having one of those "its right in front of my face" moments as to where the "new" button is in the app. manager |
| 15:26.06 | lardman | yes it works |
| 15:26.22 | Bofu2U | same instructions as to how to enable? (app manager -> new -> matrix, etc?) |
| 15:26.52 | lcdd | Bofu2U: open up the menu in app manager |
| 15:26.54 | lardman | yeah, but you need to select the correct menu, the repo list one |
| 15:28.17 | Bofu2U | gracias, got it |
| 15:28.26 | Bofu2U | thanks for the help guys, really appreciate it |
| 15:28.28 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/05/localizing-maemo/ |
| 15:29.34 | pupnik | is anybody using gcc 4.x for building in maemo? |
| 15:29.37 | pupnik | *anybody here |
| 15:31.36 | hrw | pupnik: I am afraid that normal gcc4 results can not be good on system built with csl gcc3 |
| 15:31.50 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 15:32.01 | lardman | hrw: added a bug for that Polski thing? |
| 15:32.29 | lardman | and the character list for that matter |
| 15:32.38 | hrw | lardman: I will |
| 15:32.55 | pupnik | i find many projects require gcc 3.4 so i am happy we use it |
| 15:33.12 | hrw | but as I summarized - its 4 years old system which does not have localization handled |
| 15:34.21 | lardman | hrw: yes, but they do only sell it in certain locales, so while it's annoying, it's also going to be low priority for them |
| 15:36.16 | hrw | lardman: as many other stuff |
| 15:37.17 | X-Fade | hrw: Not sure if it helps, but did you look at HIM? http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/HildonInputMethod |
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| 15:39.32 | X-Fade | hrw: It should be easy to define new keyboards via HIM. Or even make a plugin for the keyboard. |
| 15:39.40 | hrw | X-Fade: I can get most of problems in my post handled by hacks |
| 15:40.04 | hrw | like having Polish hardware keyboard known as 'Italian' for example |
| 15:40.10 | hrw | but it is not solution |
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| 15:49.02 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2892 |
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| 15:50.09 | Tak | polish, italian, whatever ;-P |
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| 15:51.21 | hrw | Tak: ;D |
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| 15:56.18 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2893 |
| 15:56.56 | hrw | now 2 years to get answer ;d |
| 16:01.37 | Jaffa | hrw: 2 years in maemo Bugzilla? That's a spring chicken compared with the OS2005 bug #303 which is still open |
| 16:02.07 | hrw | Jaffa: but my bugs are fresh still so.. |
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| 16:02.22 | hrw | Jaffa: I do not expect answer anyway |
| 16:02.50 | hrw | Jaffa: or rather - I will be not surprised if there will be no reply in 2 years |
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| 16:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, #303 is too much. |
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| 16:15.21 | hrw | 303 is indeed nice |
| 16:15.57 | hrw | too bad that maemo^Wnokia guys follow 'keep it too simple stupid' way |
| 16:16.24 | jott | and "keep it closed source"... |
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| 16:17.36 | hrw | o yes |
| 16:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | Braindead stuff like this is so infuriating. |
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| 16:24.21 | lcdd | call the gnu-ites to write us a free clock applet |
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| 16:25.18 | derf | So, it looks like the partition table on my internal memory card extends past the end of the device. |
| 16:25.34 | derf | (on the n810, factory image) |
| 16:25.42 | derf | So when I filled it up, it corrupted the file system. |
| 16:25.43 | jott | derf: yes it did for me too.. |
| 16:25.52 | lcdd | derf: mine was like that too. had to recreate the fs |
| 16:26.18 | derf | I wish I had known about that _before_ I downloaded half a gig of maps onto it. |
| 16:26.21 | lardman | hmm, good to know |
| 16:26.51 | derf | And then wasted a lot of time trying to figure out why maemo-mapper was crashing all the damn time. |
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| 16:31.46 | derf | Awesome, and gparted crashes. |
| 16:34.20 | lardman | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 vaguely interesting, but no info on the format itself |
| 16:35.07 | lardman | I need to search the Nokia N95 fora and see if anyone's found a file that contains that data from supl.nokia.com |
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| 16:36.07 | derf | Wow, mkfs.ext3 rebooted the device. |
| 16:36.18 | derf | I wonder if it succeeded. |
| 16:36.28 | X-Fade | derf: Don't format your root partition ;) |
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| 16:36.46 | derf | I was formatting the mmc. |
| 16:36.56 | derf | Which better not have been / |
| 16:36.58 | X-Fade | derf: Were you using swap on mmc? |
| 16:37.08 | derf | No. |
| 16:37.11 | derf | I disabled it. |
| 16:37.11 | zoran | before unmounted it? |
| 16:37.21 | derf | I was actually doing it over USB. |
| 16:37.29 | derf | Unmounted on the host. |
| 16:38.11 | zoran | do you have proper module to load? |
| 16:38.12 | derf | It doesn't look like it worked. |
| 16:38.30 | derf | I have no idea... it doesn't ship with at least an ext2 module? |
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| 16:38.49 | zoran | ext3.ko? |
| 16:38.51 | derf | Yes, it does. |
| 16:39.14 | zoran | load it first |
| 16:39.31 | zoran | and put appropriate line in fstab |
| 16:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | derf, it was, evidently, an issue discovered during testing that somehow made it into the shipping units. |
| 16:39.52 | derf | Oh, fstab. Good idea. |
| 16:40.03 | derf | It apparently hardcodes the fstype. |
| 16:40.11 | zoran | heh |
| 16:40.32 | derf | zoran: The module appears to be already loaded after boot. |
| 16:40.35 | zoran | Billy gave it to you? |
| 16:40.52 | lcdd | the patched osso-gpsd didn't seem to improve my gps experience much. still not getting a fix while walking outside |
| 16:41.00 | zoran | I recall problems formating in ext3 on gregale |
| 16:41.17 | zoran | on the native device, derf |
| 16:41.26 | zoran | ext2 went fine |
| 16:41.46 | derf | Wait... why does fstab have it as /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted at /media/mmc1, when it's always shown up as /media/mmc2? |
| 16:41.58 | derf | zoran: I said, I formatted over USB. |
| 16:42.00 | lardman | lcdd: it won't affect cold starts, in fact it shouldn't even affect warm starts as gpsd shouldn't really have anything to do with reloading the last saved position |
| 16:42.06 | zoran | derf, k |
| 16:42.12 | derf | All I had on the device as mkfs.vfat. |
| 16:42.16 | derf | And, you know, screw that. |
| 16:42.22 | zoran | I just think backward abount my problems |
| 16:42.36 | jott | hm mkfs.ext3 worked fine on my device (as did an fdisk i compiled) |
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| 16:42.53 | zoran | yes, I recall proper tool in repo |
| 16:42.57 | lcdd | lardman: i see |
| 16:43.09 | zoran | have a min? |
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| 16:44.13 | zoran | e2fsprogs or alike |
| 16:45.10 | zoran | it should make ext2/3 |
| 16:45.39 | zoran | mkfs.ext3 |
| 16:45.49 | derf | In what repository? |
| 16:45.52 | derf | apt-cache shows nothing. |
| 16:46.16 | zoran | take a look: repository/maemo.org/pool/whatever/free/e/ |
| 16:46.39 | lardman | http://cms.openmobilealliance.org/technical/release_program/docs/SUPL/V1_0-20070615-A/OMA-TS-ULP-V1_0-20070615-A.pdf p11 :) |
| 16:46.55 | lardman | for those interested in AGPS datasources that is |
| 16:46.59 | zoran | I used included app to repartition my mmc |
| 16:47.15 | zoran | sfdisk or something |
| 16:47.37 | zoran | and made swap as partition also |
| 16:47.42 | derf | I didn't even know there was one. And I refuse to use FAT if I don't have to. |
| 16:47.51 | zoran | :) |
| 16:48.10 | zoran | Billy will catch you! |
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| 16:49.06 | derf | No, it just sucks. |
| 16:49.12 | zoran | hm, what? |
| 16:49.18 | derf | FAT. The filesystem. |
| 16:49.31 | zoran | don't make it then, make ext2/3 |
| 16:49.39 | derf | That's what I'm doing. |
| 16:49.47 | derf | Found e2fsprogs. |
| 16:49.54 | zoran | maybe is should be called vfat? |
| 16:50.02 | zoran | fat is 16 bit |
| 16:50.23 | zoran | short names etc |
| 16:50.24 | derf | Or 12 bit. |
| 16:50.27 | derf | Or whatever. |
| 16:50.29 | zoran | yeah |
| 16:50.30 | derf | It's all crap. |
| 16:50.36 | zoran | agree |
| 16:50.47 | X-Fade | lardman: Looks interesting! |
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| 16:51.16 | zoran | I bought new 2 gb flash forom kingston and found it 16 bit fat formatted |
| 16:51.55 | X-Fade | lardman: But that AUTH part looks bad :( |
| 16:51.58 | zoran | support service confirmed that and said "reformat then, you picky" |
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| 16:52.12 | lardman | X-Fade: well it's a start at least |
| 16:52.30 | derf | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 failed |
| 16:52.44 | X-Fade | lardman: But you should first be certain that the gpsdriver supports it. |
| 16:52.47 | zoran | what fs? |
| 16:52.51 | derf | ext3 |
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| 16:53.01 | zoran | k, make it after reboot |
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| 16:53.03 | lardman | X-Fade: indeed, we need to know the format of nvd_data |
| 16:53.11 | derf | I _did_ make it after a reboot. |
| 16:53.13 | zoran | to let device to see it as new partition |
| 16:53.16 | zoran | k |
| 16:53.37 | zoran | whatdo you have after listing modules? |
| 16:53.42 | lcdd | the internal card is mounted to mmc2 by default |
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| 16:54.21 | zoran | derf, would you, for science sake, format in ext2, just to see |
| 16:54.36 | zoran | and load ext2.ko |
| 16:54.40 | jott | ext3 mounts as ext2.. |
| 16:55.01 | jott | and ext3 works fine here ;) (on internal card) |
| 16:55.13 | derf | Okay, I rebooted again and this time it worked. |
| 16:55.16 | derf | I don't know why. |
| 16:55.19 | derf | On mmc2, no less. |
| 16:55.20 | jott | ah nice.. |
| 16:55.27 | derf | Instead of mmc1 like fstab says. |
| 16:55.32 | derf | I have no idea where it's getting that from. |
| 16:55.34 | zoran | partition table is taken in account |
| 16:56.01 | derf | Actually, it rewrote my /etc/fstab, wiping out my changes. |
| 16:56.08 | derf | That's pretty damn annoying. |
| 16:56.10 | zoran | man... |
| 16:56.21 | zoran | I never sae that |
| 16:56.26 | zoran | *saw |
| 16:56.41 | derf | Or I changed it back to vfat and forgot, but I'm pretty sure I didn't. |
| 16:57.03 | zoran | vfat is correct on linux, fat on bsd |
| 16:57.06 | jott | the automount stuff on the n8x0 is quite agressive |
| 16:57.18 | derf | I've been up for 19 hours, so I may not necessarily be trustworthy. |
| 16:57.33 | derf | zoran: No, ext3 is correct. |
| 16:57.42 | zoran | it found your fs-s and changed fstab? |
| 16:58.05 | X-Fade | Hmm why did I miss this auto-builder that Nokia uses. And source is available: http://www.bifh.org/wiki/sbdmock |
| 16:58.13 | derf | It both mounted the ext3 card as /media/mmc2, and changed fstab to have a vfat entry for the same device as /media/mmc1. |
| 16:58.14 | zoran | derf, I thought about ms fs recently |
| 16:58.28 | derf | So I really have no idea what is going on. |
| 16:58.44 | derf | user@Nokia-N810-42-19 ~ $ cat /etc/fstab |
| 16:58.49 | derf | rootfs / rootfs defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 0 |
| 16:58.49 | derf | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 |
| 16:58.50 | zoran | could you see where is it places, mmxblkp0 or what? |
| 16:58.56 | derf | user@Nokia-N810-42-19 ~ $ mount |
| 16:59.04 | derf | ... |
| 16:59.06 | derf | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type ext3 (rw,data=ordered) |
| 16:59.10 | jott | derf: i worked around it by having a small partition in front of the main partition ;) |
| 16:59.29 | zoran | vfat should be the very first? |
| 16:59.32 | derf | No, I mean it works, but it makes no sense. |
| 16:59.44 | jott | yeah it's broken i think initfs messes around there |
| 16:59.59 | derf | Well, maybe it works. |
| 17:00.01 | zoran | some daemon changed it for it's onw behalf |
| 17:00.08 | derf | maemo-mapper seems to be downloading maps onto it okay. |
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| 17:00.47 | zoran | if I would find that behaveour on my home bsd, I 'd reinstall it! |
| 17:01.38 | jott | zoran: sounds like an infinte loop if you would do the same on the n810 ;) |
| 17:01.45 | zoran | derf, the same partition is seen twice as 2 diff types |
| 17:02.12 | zoran | could you say correct partition? |
| 17:02.13 | derf | No. |
| 17:02.21 | zoran | sec! |
| 17:02.33 | derf | The partition is listed in /etc/fstab as one type and one location. |
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| 17:02.36 | zoran | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat |
| 17:02.47 | derf | But actually mounted as the correct type in a different location. |
| 17:02.55 | zoran | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type ext3 (rw,data=ordered) |
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| 17:04.24 | derf | Whoops, wrote some stuff into the wrong channel... |
| 17:04.27 | derf | 11:43:05 < derf> It's almost 2AM and I'd like to be up by 7 with maps ready to go. |
| 17:04.30 | derf | 11:43:10 < derf> So, you know.... |
| 17:04.33 | derf | 11:43:20 < derf> Not into compiling things tonight. |
| 17:04.35 | derf | 11:45:10 < derf> [ 64.125000] JFFS2 notice: (403) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0a777d34: read 0x14eacb25, calculated 0xe560d948. |
| 17:04.39 | derf | 11:45:10 < derf> [ 66.906250] JFFS2 notice: (403) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x08ef0754: read 0xa1a0966c, calculated 0x16df4dbb. |
| 17:04.42 | derf | 11:45:19 < derf> Nice, looks like the rootfs is corrupt, also. |
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| 17:05.07 | zoran | if you formatted mmc1, how it was seen as mmc2 |
| 17:05.16 | derf | zoran: I didn't format mmc1. |
| 17:05.24 | derf | I formated /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 17:05.29 | zoran | eh? |
| 17:05.36 | zoran | my bad |
| 17:05.40 | derf | Which has always been mounted as /media/mmc2 |
| 17:05.51 | derf | I don't know why it's listed as /media/mmc1 in /etc/fstab |
| 17:06.05 | zoran | follow the link and see |
| 17:06.22 | zoran | or change fstab by the hand |
| 17:06.39 | derf | I _did_ change /etc/fstab. |
| 17:06.46 | derf | It changed it back on reboot. |
| 17:06.58 | zoran | green men?! |
| 17:07.21 | derf | More like gremlins. |
| 17:07.22 | zoran | some sudo crap? |
| 17:07.28 | derf | Who knows? |
| 17:07.43 | zoran | I just hate sudo |
| 17:07.54 | corona | does anyone have an idea how to set up a default proxy for any connection not just on a per connection basis? |
| 17:08.24 | zoran | privoxy? |
| 17:09.25 | corona | found that too - but thought there might be a better way - since it means wasting some memory and cpu power just for redirection |
| 17:09.52 | zoran | some option in ifconfig? |
| 17:10.12 | zoran | linux has something to do that in conf file for wifi0 or alike |
| 17:10.37 | zoran | have no device handy |
| 17:11.02 | corona | basically it would be perfect to have a way to choose a default proxy if the connection does not have more specific proxy settings |
| 17:11.30 | zoran | shouldn't the proxy be the ap? |
| 17:11.42 | corona | hm - never heard of proxy settings in ifconfig actually |
| 17:12.07 | zoran | there are some strange options in bsd version |
| 17:13.05 | zoran | but, you _have_ to go through ap |
| 17:13.17 | corona | no - actually when I'm in an "insecure WLAN" (Internet Cafe, whatever) I want certain traffic through my openvpn tunnel to a secured squid proxy |
| 17:13.29 | zoran | and route should have it as default for the first time |
| 17:13.34 | corona | so I'm going "through" the AP but crypted through my tunnel |
| 17:13.56 | zoran | layer 3? |
| 17:14.16 | corona | currently I configure the "secure" sites with a proxy.pac file on a webserver - but it is annoying to enter this for every new wlan connection |
| 17:14.30 | lcdd | corona: how is openvpn on the tablet working for you? |
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| 17:14.43 | zoran | it is ssl/tls |
| 17:14.52 | hrw | bye |
| 17:14.58 | Alendit_ | where do you get vnc for os2008? |
| 17:15.45 | Alendit_ | i mean vnc server |
| 17:16.13 | corona | lcdd, working perfectly - constantly pings its vpn server and reconnects as soon as I reach the next wifi spot. I use this for example to connect Xchat so a vpn secured IRC bouncer - as soon as the tunnel is up xchat reconnects and the irc proxy gives me an update on what I was missing |
| 17:16.37 | corona | miau that is actually |
| 17:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Alendit_, google. ;) |
| 17:17.19 | Alendit_ | :P |
| 17:17.33 | fysa | ooo |
| 17:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | or garage |
| 17:17.45 | fysa | Opera Mobile 9.5 |
| 17:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2780/x11vnc_0.9.3-1_armel.deb |
| 17:17.48 | fysa | Linux beta soon? |
| 17:17.52 | fysa | http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/ |
| 17:18.16 | corona | zoran, it is ssl/tls? |
| 17:18.23 | zoran | as I know |
| 17:18.40 | zoran | uses that |
| 17:18.45 | corona | I prefer to have my unencrypted traffic through openvpn |
| 17:18.51 | zoran | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 17:18.54 | corona | zoran, you mean openvpn? yes, correct |
| 17:19.00 | lcdd | corona: i guess i'm going to try it then |
| 17:19.27 | Alendit_ | thx |
| 17:19.58 | zoran | fine way to be safe and look sexy at public place |
| 17:20.45 | corona | actually tried to fiddle with the proxy settings in about:config of the browser - but the proxy settings obviously are ignored in favor of the "per connection" proxy settings |
| 17:21.17 | corona | per connection is fine actually but I would love to have a global override |
| 17:21.22 | zoran | default route may be said to use forword/default |
| 17:22.11 | zoran | before wpa_supplicant |
| 17:22.19 | zoran | before dhclient |
| 17:24.10 | corona | actually I could have the openvpn tunnel as my default route - but that would mean that I'm "as slow" as the tunnel. Being in NY for example and do your surfing via tunnel in germany is not an optimal setup (just for banking maybe ;)) |
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| 17:24.56 | pupnik | how can i hook my router up to my microwave oven to share my data with the entire town? |
| 17:25.00 | pupnik | oop wrong channel |
| 17:25.04 | corona | the NSA probably has a law against that actually ;) |
| 17:25.21 | zoran | chicken inside also |
| 17:25.21 | Tak | NSA is above the law! |
| 17:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | The NSA is the law. |
| 17:25.35 | corona | sorry - I meant "divine ruling" |
| 17:26.34 | zoran | pupnik, if the explosion is strong enough, whole town would know |
| 17:26.37 | procto | NSA can't actually do anything to anyone |
| 17:27.00 | procto | they can just give info to FBI or SS or now DHS, who are the ones that will be breaking down your door |
| 17:27.23 | zoran | keep the door open and confuse them |
| 17:27.40 | zoran | they will walk around in panic then |
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| 17:28.53 | corona | I will flee using my openvpn tunnel when the break through my door ... |
| 17:29.21 | zoran | corona, as gentleman, let them go first |
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| 17:30.16 | corona | maybe I can mind-melt with a floppy disk |
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| 17:30.55 | zoran | hm, floppies are still around? |
| 17:31.14 | corona | yepp - they just label them "SD-Card" now |
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| 17:31.51 | zoran | some1 is knocking on my door. corona, they missed the continet! |
| 17:32.02 | corona | "duck and cover" |
| 17:32.03 | zoran | I'll send them to you |
| 17:32.19 | zoran | tall, 2 arms, two legs... |
| 17:32.25 | zoran | 4 eyes |
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| 17:32.48 | corona | "holding a tablet" to make it perfect |
| 17:33.03 | zoran | and has floppy high in the air |
| 17:33.50 | zoran | they will recognize you if you put "table" sticker on it |
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| 18:07.16 | rm_you | wow... JKDefrag is like the best thing ever. |
| 18:07.25 | ashleem | why? |
| 18:08.05 | rm_you | took my drive from 900,000 fragments (like... 85% fragmented!!!!!) to < 3% fragmented... in only 8 hours |
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| 18:08.41 | elb | 8 hours? |
| 18:08.46 | elb | I hope that drive was completely full |
| 18:08.52 | elb | or freaking huge |
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| 18:11.56 | smackpotato | time for my ddaily repeat question |
| 18:12.59 | smackpotato | does anyone know how i can disconect the core pointer from the stylus |
| 18:13.40 | rm_you | elb: yes and yes] |
| 18:13.58 | rm_you | elb: i was previously running Defraggler for 30ish hours... with almost no impact |
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| 18:14.13 | smackpotato | cool give me a hint |
| 18:14.35 | GeneralAntilles | smackpotato != elb |
| 18:14.54 | rm_you | elb: the visual representation of my drive's fragmentation was a huge solid red square <_< |
| 18:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | What fs? |
| 18:15.14 | rm_you | NTFS <_< |
| 18:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:15.19 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
| 18:15.22 | rm_you | i hate my life. |
| 18:15.38 | smackpotato | sorry the white brain cells were not connecting to the gray |
| 18:15.43 | rm_you | I have a job, job == windows, at least in this case <_< |
| 18:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | Can't you just run a VM or something? :P |
| 18:16.06 | rm_you | heh |
| 18:16.16 | rm_you | not a terrible idea |
| 18:16.20 | rm_you | i've thought about it... |
| 18:16.47 | elb | did you notice a performance improvement, after degragmenting? |
| 18:17.06 | rm_you | but compiling the CDs for the software already takes like 6 hours <_< i'm afraid of what putting that in a VM would do |
| 18:17.07 | rm_you | elb: YES |
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| 18:17.13 | rm_you | elb: my computer was essentially unusable |
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| 18:17.47 | elb | nice |
| 18:18.09 | rm_you | elb: it was taking windows picture viewer up to 3 minutes to load a 500kb jpg... programs were crashing.... double clicking on "My Computer" was taking upwards of a minute to come up.... and any clicking on the taskbar or desktop meant at least 30 seconds of lag and apps not responding |
| 18:18.30 | rm_you | i thought my hard disk was failing <_< |
| 18:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 18:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | Windows is hilarious fail. |
| 18:18.52 | rm_you | but i rebooted into an ubuntu livecd and did a bunch of SMART tests, but everything came up clean <_< |
| 18:18.53 | lcdd | it's not only windows |
| 18:18.58 | lcdd | we had a nfs server which ground to halt due to fragmentation |
| 18:19.01 | rm_you | then i looked at my drive fragmentation :/ |
| 18:20.20 | dphil9000 | claws-mail doesn't flash the led when imap messages arrive from gmail? |
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| 18:30.49 | jku | hey guys, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this gpsd-problem, and during the research it has turned up that people seem to have different package versions even on same OS revisions (without any knowledge of an upgrade)... |
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| 18:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | I blame Nokia. |
| 18:31.41 | jku | I've got reports of osso-gpsd version 1.0-23 and 1.0-25 on OS 50-2 |
| 18:31.55 | jku | (not just osso-gpsd, but that was one example) |
| 18:32.29 | jku | could anyone check if they actually have osso-gpsd 1.0-23 on OS v50-2 |
| 18:33.26 | jku | It shouldn't be possible as osso-software-version 2.2007.50-2 depends on osso-gpsd 1.0-25 but still people on ITT forums report such configurations |
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| 18:33.50 | elb | I've noticed that people on ITT report a lot of things |
| 18:34.02 | inz | my 50-2 has 25 at least |
| 18:34.13 | jku | elb, yeah, but not just one person |
| 18:34.37 | LoCusF | mine has 23 |
| 18:34.40 | LoCusF | on 50-2 |
| 18:34.43 | mgedmin | theory: people add the SDK repository and then run apt-get upgrade |
| 18:35.01 | jku | LoCusF, and osso-software-version = 2.2007.50-2 |
| 18:35.06 | jku | oh, ok |
| 18:35.07 | mgedmin | no, apt wouldn't just downgrade... |
| 18:35.07 | LoCusF | um it was, until I upgraded to your version, joku |
| 18:35.16 | LoCusF | *jku |
| 18:35.28 | mgedmin | jku: could you run apt-cache policy osso-gpsd on your tablet/ |
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| 18:35.54 | mgedmin | mine shows just one available version (1.0-25), which is the currently installed one and not available from any repo |
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| 18:36.02 | mgedmin | osso-software-version = 2.2007.50-2 |
| 18:36.31 | mgedmin | eh, that request was meant for LoCusF |
| 18:36.32 | jku | mgedmin, same here (although my currently installed version is my modified one) |
| 18:36.41 | jku | :) thought so |
| 18:36.43 | mgedmin | and before he upgraded :) |
| 18:36.51 | LoCusF | mgedmin: I've got 1.0-23 |
| 18:36.59 | LoCusF | mgedmin: from repository.maemo.org |
| 18:37.10 | LoCusF | I had |
| 18:37.26 | mgedmin | so, it is the older SDK version replacing the newer device version somehow |
| 18:37.42 | LoCusF | lol |
| 18:37.42 | jku | that just shouldn't happen... |
| 18:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | This is maemo we're talking about here. :P |
| 18:38.46 | jku | I mean osso-software-version depends on 1.0-25 so it can't be downgraded |
| 18:39.05 | jku | ...even if you tried |
| 18:39.56 | mgedmin | well, an apt-get dist-upgrade might just remove osso-software-version |
| 18:40.01 | LoCusF | unless some images had 1.0-23 and some had 1.0-25 |
| 18:40.07 | LoCusF | which is unlikely :) |
| 18:41.53 | jku | anyone with osso-gpsd 1.0-23 currently installed on the latest image? |
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| 18:48.51 | smackpotato | yep jku |
| 18:49.23 | blafasel | Nope, running your patched .25 iirc |
| 18:49.35 | jku | smackpotato, yesh, don't do anything! you're a research subject now |
| 18:50.03 | elb | heh |
| 18:50.15 | jku | smackpotato, what's your "osso-software-version" version? |
| 18:50.48 | smackpotato | 1.0-255 |
| 18:51.03 | smackpotato | 1.0-25 |
| 18:51.16 | smackpotato | shacky hand |
| 18:51.39 | jku | no, I meant a package named "osso-software-version" |
| 18:51.41 | smackpotato | i installed a patch already |
| 18:51.57 | jku | smackpotato, ok, nevermind |
| 18:52.27 | Blafasel | ;) |
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| 18:54.35 | smackpotato | it only helped for a little while |
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| 19:02.52 | oil_ | this is pretty interesting. sharing S60 packet data with WLAN to other devices (http,https only) http://www.joikuspot.com/JoikuSpot_WhitePaper.pdf |
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| 19:40.00 | fysa | johnx: you around? |
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| 20:05.01 | czr | oil_, I saw two of those today |
| 20:05.17 | czr | it's a ad-hoc wlan implementation really. |
| 20:05.32 | oil_ | with a proxy I guess |
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| 20:08.21 | dererk | Hi! :D |
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| 20:08.45 | dererk | I've a problem and I've a n770 I need to reinstall from 0. Do you know which is the best practise for this? |
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| 20:09.01 | dragorn | reflash it |
| 20:09.10 | dererk | dragorn, how? |
| 20:09.15 | dererk | dragorn, (link?) |
| 20:09.21 | dragorn | with flasher3. docs are on the maemo siet |
| 20:09.30 | dererk | checking |
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| 20:10.17 | XATRIX | hi.....is it possible to change the default WM to another....for example to OpenBox ? |
| 20:10.28 | Lateralus | is there a file or something which controls which applets are loaded when the desktop starts? |
| 20:10.51 | Lateralus | I have an applet killing the desktop process everytime I run af-sb-init |
| 20:11.30 | Tak | dererk: http://tinyurl.com/2bunoh |
| 20:11.48 | dererk | fuck... nokia site seems to be not processing php files |
| 20:12.46 | dererk | Tak, unfortuntelly, all links to nokia.com to php files are not being processed |
| 20:12.55 | dererk | like this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php |
| 20:13.09 | Tak | working fine from here... |
| 20:13.27 | Tak | you don't get the page to enter your "product id" ‽ |
| 20:13.31 | dererk | does it? |
| 20:13.38 | dererk | damn.... |
| 20:14.04 | dererk | Tak, no, not at all |
| 20:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine here, too. |
| 20:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | That's just for OS2006, though. |
| 20:14.40 | dererk | http://paste.debian.net/48506 |
| 20:14.43 | dererk | grrrrrrr |
| 20:15.01 | XATRIX | is it possible to change the default WM to another....for example to OpenBox ? |
| 20:15.29 | Tak | how about http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php ‽ |
| 20:15.54 | dererk | Tak, not either |
| 20:16.06 | dererk | Tak, are you browsing it from the maemo box ? |
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| 20:16.11 | lcuk_3 | dererk, what IP does tablets-dev.nokia.com resolve to? |
| 20:16.30 | dererk | $ host tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 20:16.30 | dererk | tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. |
| 20:16.36 | Tak | dererk: no, firefox on a debian workstation |
| 20:16.45 | dererk | Tak, damn :/ |
| 20:16.57 | lcuk_3 | tablets-dev.nokia.com on mine is: a1341.g.akamai.net [84.53.178.99] |
| 20:17.05 | dererk | oh |
| 20:17.06 | dererk | that's it |
| 20:17.13 | dererk | I'm pointing to other server |
| 20:17.33 | dererk | $ host tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. |
| 20:17.33 | dererk | tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net |
| 20:17.49 | dererk | $ host a1341.g.akamai.net. |
| 20:17.49 | dererk | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 207.138.82.46 |
| 20:18.04 | dererk | lcuk_3, thanks :) |
| 20:18.16 | lcuk_3 | dns problem as the rest of nokia seems to have, akamai are screwed... |
| 20:18.37 | pupnik | aha online chess for tablets now possible: http://www.v7f.eu/public/n800/chess/ |
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| 20:27.38 | Blafasel | pupnik: Nice |
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| 20:39.51 | giskard | hello |
| 20:40.29 | giskard | do you know how i can fix that http://paste.debian.net/48509? |
| 20:42.12 | lcuk_3 | the problem appears (tho i am certainly no expert in such matters) that your scratchbox environment is still running |
| 20:42.22 | lcuk_3 | on my vmware box, it says the following to stop it: |
| 20:42.23 | giskard | i never started it |
| 20:42.31 | giskard | i only installed it |
| 20:42.36 | lcuk_3 | you could just try and stop it anyway |
| 20:42.49 | lcuk_3 | af-sb-init.sh stop |
| 20:44.22 | giskard | where i can find this script? |
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| 20:44.48 | Redline` | anyone else notice that if you configure MSN/AIM within accounts, and you have the IT in offline mode with keys disabled (sleep mode, more or less), battery life is greatly reduced? |
| 20:45.13 | giskard | brb |
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| 20:46.02 | maddler | heu all... |
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| 20:49.51 | giskard | nah it doesn't work |
| 20:50.03 | giskard | [21:48][giskard@piton:~/src]$ sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop |
| 20:50.05 | giskard | Stopping Scratchbox: umount, binfmt_misc. |
| 20:50.07 | giskard | [21:49][giskard@piton:~/src]$ sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start |
| 20:50.13 | giskard | Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount. |
| 20:50.15 | giskard | [21:49][giskard@piton:~/src]$ |
| 20:50.17 | giskard | i can't login |
| 20:50.43 | giskard | http://paste.debian.net/48511 |
| 20:50.43 | lcuk_3 | there are other alternatives to try, the error itself comes up in google |
| 20:50.52 | lcuk_3 | for instance: sb-conf killall |
| 20:51.59 | giskard | You dont have active target in scratchbox chroot |
| 20:52.50 | giskard | nah it does't work |
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| 20:53.45 | b0unc3 | giskard: try echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled |
| 20:54.24 | giskard | it works |
| 20:54.25 | giskard | thank you |
| 20:54.42 | b0unc3 | np |
| 20:55.11 | giskard | or maybe... grazie ;) |
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| 21:01.10 | fredsan | Hi. |
| 21:01.26 | fredsan | Can anyone tell me if ConIC is supposed to work under Scratchbox? |
| 21:02.21 | fredsan | I'm looking at trying to add some features to Maemo Mapper, but the Internet connectivity doesn't seem to be working in my environment. |
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| 21:03.56 | dererk | oooooooooook |
| 21:04.03 | `0660 | i don't think it does |
| 21:04.07 | dererk | I can't use flasher utility either |
| 21:04.46 | fredsan | Is there some recommended method of developing/testing apps that need Internet connectivity? |
| 21:05.20 | desrt | fredsan; use automake's "make internet" target |
| 21:05.33 | desrt | felipec; it has an al-gore.m4 script |
| 21:05.46 | `0660 | if i recall right, it shouldn't be more than couple of lines of code to add the internet connectivity to your apps |
| 21:05.57 | `0660 | if even that |
| 21:06.04 | desrt | s/felipec/fredsan/ |
| 21:06.17 | desrt | infobot; uhm... thanks, i guess |
| 21:06.44 | fredsan | When I run "make internet", all I get is a series of tubes. |
| 21:07.01 | dererk | Tak, lcuk_3, how could i know which lastest version I could flash on my n770 |
| 21:07.04 | dererk | ? |
| 21:07.20 | desrt | fredsan; erm? |
| 21:07.35 | desrt | check to make sure that your al-gore.m4 isn't a symlink to ted-stevens.m4 |
| 21:07.56 | fredsan | I'll have to check on that. |
| 21:08.35 | lcuk_3 | dererk, i wouldnt know, ive never even touched a 770 let alone know what to install on it |
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| 21:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | The latest version on the OS2007HE page is the lastest-latest. |
| 21:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | The latest version on the OS2006 page is the lastest-"stable". |
| 21:11.28 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, would any of them run on a 770 box? |
| 21:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 ONLY runs on the 770. |
| 21:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | and OS2007HE is the 770 version of OS2007. |
| 21:12.20 | dererk | I understand |
| 21:12.34 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, then both will world, wouldn't they? |
| 21:12.46 | GeneralAntilles | See above. |
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| 21:13.47 | roe | anyone know of an open source gps routing program? or is the nokia solution the way to acheive routing |
| 21:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper |
| 21:16.00 | roe | won't that just follow a route that you import? Will it generate a route on the fly? I don't think the maemo mapper stores road information with the maps |
| 21:16.07 | Jaffa | ...doesn't *really* do routing (it fakess it) |
| 21:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, you want turn-by-turn. |
| 21:16.27 | roe | aye |
| 21:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | Then, at the moment, no. |
| 21:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you have EDGE or 3G or summuch. |
| 21:16.37 | roe | any interesting projects to watch? |
| 21:16.40 | fredsan | Mapper will do turn-by-turn. But you need Internet connectivity. |
| 21:16.54 | roe | I have 3G |
| 21:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | It'll update the route on-the-fly, then. |
| 21:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Not quite as polished as real turn-by-turn |
| 21:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | but it's free. |
| 21:17.26 | fredsan | You can go to "Route/Download..." and enter in your destination address using current coordinates as your starting location. It'll download driving directions from the net. |
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| 21:17.34 | roe | can't it store that map info, instead of downloading it |
| 21:17.37 | Hrw | hi |
| 21:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | gpx routes and map data are two different things. |
| 21:18.02 | Hrw | another l10n question |
| 21:18.11 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, Pal, I can't find neither OS2007HE nor OS2006 at nokia's site |
| 21:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | Both can either be cached or downloaded on-the-fly. |
| 21:18.21 | Hrw | where does maemo keeps dictionary? |
| 21:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | dererk, buddy, Tak gave you both links above. |
| 21:19.51 | dererk | pufff, you're right |
| 21:20.07 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, I'm partially stupid today :) |
| 21:21.05 | dererk | ROTFL @ "FIASCO" image |
| 21:21.28 | dererk | I don't know in english, but in spanish, "fiasco" means nothing good :P |
| 21:22.12 | Hrw | derek: but what it mean in finnish? |
| 21:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | I still haven't managed to find the expansion of that acronym. |
| 21:22.34 | dererk | hahahaha |
| 21:22.46 | Juhaz | Hrw, nothing |
| 21:23.20 | Hrw | did someone ever tried to add dictionary for other language then provided ones? |
| 21:23.24 | dererk | Am I partially-blind, or the firm of HE seems to be more than 80mb ? |
| 21:24.38 | ||cw | dererk: fiasco in english is borrow from spanish, roughly the same meaning still |
| 21:24.41 | Hrw | is it a problem dererk? |
| 21:24.56 | dererk | ||cw, hehehehe |
| 21:25.04 | Hrw | fiasko is also present in Polish |
| 21:25.30 | dererk | Hrw, well, it's about a the same size of a Debian bussiness netinstall image |
| 21:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | ~30MB of PDFs and ~20MB of audio/video. |
| 21:25.39 | dererk | which it's really a lot |
| 21:25.47 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, puf puf puf puf |
| 21:25.53 | dererk | grrr |
| 21:25.57 | Hrw | dererk: and it contain lot of crap |
| 21:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | Just delete it after it's flashed. |
| 21:26.16 | Hrw | like appmanager.. |
| 21:26.27 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, I hope I could :) |
| 21:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | and think of all the trees Nokia is saving by distributing digital copies of the user manuals. |
| 21:26.36 | Hrw | or crappy locale support |
| 21:27.32 | lcuk_3 | nokia is saving trees by giving digital copies, but then asking akamai to burn coal to keep worldwide cache of servers running so we can get them ;) |
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| 21:27.39 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, do you think the flushing process it's "dangerous" ? |
| 21:27.43 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 21:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | flushing? Down the toilet? |
| 21:27.53 | Hrw | elo gnuto |
| 21:27.54 | dererk | lol! |
| 21:28.01 | dererk | flashing * :) |
| 21:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | If so, yes. |
| 21:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | No, flashing is not dangerous. |
| 21:28.12 | lcuk_3 | CORE DUMP! |
| 21:28.14 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, thanks :) |
| 21:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | I've done it somewhere in the realm of 4-dozen times. |
| 21:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | Never once had a failure. |
| 21:28.28 | dererk | Cool |
| 21:28.40 | Hrw | unless you flash whole fiasco on 10% of battery and no charger |
| 21:28.42 | dererk | I could breath slower |
| 21:29.07 | lcuk_3 | re: the flashing process, does the flasher initalisation get replaced with each flash - ie is it technically possible to completely bork 810? |
| 21:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | Even then, you just charge it and start over. |
| 21:30.01 | lcuk_3 | if it doesnt get replaced, what if they had a bug with their "insert usb, switch on and hold down home key when you see usb icon"? |
| 21:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | The NOLO flasher isn't on the USB-accessible sectors |
| 21:30.11 | dererk | I wonder why "INSTALL" file at Nokia's server says "sudo flasher" |
| 21:30.24 | dererk | Isn't it supposed to be run on the PC ? |
| 21:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | Some machines will require root permissions to use USB. |
| 21:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 21:30.35 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, ah! got it |
| 21:30.39 | Hrw | like my Debian boxes |
| 21:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 is for Linux. |
| 21:30.47 | lcuk_3 | dererk, there is a usb flasher tool, or a windows update wizard |
| 21:30.51 | dererk | Hrw, add yourself to cdrom :P |
| 21:30.55 | dererk | grrr |
| 21:31.05 | dererk | Hrw, add yourself to plugdev |
| 21:31.08 | lcuk_3 | windows update is posh and user friendly and will even download new firmware for you |
| 21:31.10 | Hrw | dererk: i am in many broups |
| 21:31.18 | Hrw | groups |
| 21:31.31 | Hrw | ~curse n810 keyboard |
| 21:31.32 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n810 keyboard ! |
| 21:31.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but you can't set R&D flags with the stinky Windows flasher. :P |
| 21:31.54 | dererk | lcuk_3, oh, thanks |
| 21:31.56 | lcuk_3 | gen, why would i need R&D? i have root |
| 21:32.04 | Hrw | r&d should be settable from n810 itself |
| 21:32.10 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, but isn't supposed that I should run it into my pc, connected to the nokia box throw usb cable? |
| 21:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off watchdogs, turn on the serial port, etc. |
| 21:32.38 | dererk | wants* |
| 21:33.04 | lcuk_3 | dererk, is your desktop pc windows or linux? |
| 21:33.11 | dererk | lcdd, Debian Linux |
| 21:33.13 | Hrw | general: serialport... they cant put it in worse place.. |
| 21:33.35 | dererk | lcuk_3, * |
| 21:33.53 | Hrw | nokia service box needed just to get serial port.. |
| 21:34.17 | lcuk_3 | then you need the linux flasher, the windows one will not work for you as you know. (maybe though some kind soul would setup a VMware box with windows on it so you can run the windows flash wizard) |
| 21:34.24 | fysa | NiMH is a farce. |
| 21:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, the serial port is for recovering the device during repair. |
| 21:35.02 | lcuk_3 | a farce for good or evil? |
| 21:35.06 | fysa | evil. |
| 21:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's in a perfectly fine place for that purpose. |
| 21:35.28 | fysa | the nonusage discharge rate of NiMH is bullshit. they should not be manufactured. |
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| 21:35.39 | lcuk_3 | but if it borks before you have enabled rd then your are basically screwed right? |
| 21:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, buy those new NiMHs |
| 21:35.48 | Hrw | general: unless you want do some kernel hacking... |
| 21:35.51 | fysa | I wonder how mucb power is wasted with people recharging NiMH batteries that discharged themselves. |
| 21:35.53 | Blafasel | Hmm.. It's "normal" that the N810 insists that my flat moves at 5-10km/h in different direction, right? |
| 21:36.07 | fysa | lipoly is the future. |
| 21:36.10 | lcuk_3 | lol Blafasel mine tells me that |
| 21:36.17 | lcuk_3 | i get dizzy looking at it |
| 21:36.37 | ||cw | Blafasel: given that gps signal is weak indoors, yes |
| 21:36.46 | fysa | sorry, I'm doing my annual wire untangling session and that just came to mind. |
| 21:36.54 | lcuk_3 | lipo only has limited discharge count, they get hot and work best from full use to drain cycles |
| 21:37.10 | lcuk_3 | dont they? |
| 21:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, you want the Sanyo Eneloops. |
| 21:37.25 | Blafasel | ||cw: 4th floor, old house, bad insulation (right word?).. This is as colse to "outside" as one could get ;) |
| 21:37.44 | fysa | anyone want my Skype promo card? |
| 21:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | GPS works best LoS. |
| 21:37.58 | ||cw | old house = good wood |
| 21:37.59 | fysa | 3 months of unlimited calls. |
| 21:38.01 | *** join/#maemo Navi (n=not_root@ppp-70-249-156-115.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 21:38.07 | Blafasel | LoS? |
| 21:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, think on the wasted energy of throwing away alkalines all the time. ;) |
| 21:38.12 | ||cw | wood has water in it |
| 21:38.16 | Blafasel | Line of sight? |
| 21:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | Line of Sight |
| 21:38.41 | Hrw | Bye |
| 21:38.45 | *** part/#maemo suihkulokki (i=rvoipio@nat/movial/x-0a06686ece3b8d83) |
| 21:38.49 | lcuk_3 | you know: people in the real world wouldnt be bothered if gps took time, my missus thought it didnt lock because "it must be busy" :) |
| 21:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | "it's thinking" |
| 21:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | <_> |
| 21:39.25 | fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery |
| 21:39.41 | lcuk_3 | no, as in engaged tone on the phones |
| 21:39.44 | lcuk_3 | busy time of day |
| 21:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 21:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 21:40.17 | ||cw | to common people gps is magic |
| 21:40.24 | ||cw | it's amsing that it works at all to them |
| 21:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, all the hard-data reviews I've read of them show that they're actually a little better than Sanyo claims. |
| 21:40.35 | GeneralAntilles | I bought a bunch of them. |
| 21:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | Work really nicely. |
| 21:40.39 | fysa | nice |
| 21:40.40 | lcuk_3 | common people your device must send a signal to the gps sat itself |
| 21:40.43 | fysa | which charger do you use? |
| 21:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | Some RadioShack slow-charge unit from the 90s. |
| 21:41.08 | fysa | are they good enough for Wii controllers? |
| 21:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I switched my 4 controllers over. ;) |
| 21:41.39 | fysa | you try the Wii charging station |
| 21:41.43 | fysa | the wiimote charging station? |
| 21:41.43 | lcuk_3 | ihave you seen the replacement battery cover/battery unit with a dock for wiimote? |
| 21:41.56 | fysa | yeah |
| 21:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | Wish Nintendo had seen fit to provide a rechargeable solution like the 360 controllers, though. |
| 21:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | I've never once had a 3rd-party console product that I was satisfied with. |
| 21:42.21 | fysa | the 360 isn't too far off? they have battery pods and can use AA batteries |
| 21:42.55 | fysa | I do agree though. |
| 21:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | and rechargeable packs that charge over USB. |
| 21:43.16 | Navi | A first party solution would be nice. I would hate it if they used a proprietary battery, though. |
| 21:43.49 | GeneralAntilles | You! |
| 21:43.57 | fysa | USB charging.... |
| 21:44.02 | Navi | I used to hang with the GP2X crowd, so I'm biased against them batteriez |
| 21:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | 360's wired controllers are just USB. |
| 21:44.13 | lcuk_3 | you couldnt get enough elecrtons through the tiny usb plug ;) |
| 21:44.31 | fysa | yeah |
| 21:44.39 | Navi | You guys made me accidentally open my battery cover to my phone :/ |
| 21:44.45 | fysa | hahaha |
| 21:44.53 | *** part/#maemo smackpotato (n=user@69.158.250.136) |
| 21:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for some sort of tesla machine that I can stick in the middle of every room that'll power all the devices in my house. |
| 21:47.54 | lcuk_3 | your cat would be like the energizer bunny |
| 21:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | Think of the plasma! |
| 21:48.07 | fysa | powered by human blood |
| 21:48.26 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 21:49.57 | Navi | Damned BluZ |
| 21:50.01 | Navi | BlueZ* |
| 21:54.14 | lcuk_3 | dererk, could you try a different dns server so you get alternative akamai machines to use? |
| 21:54.30 | dererk | lcuk_3, I tryied about 10 |
| 21:54.42 | dererk | (not kidding) |
| 21:54.45 | lcuk_3 | did you flush your local cache? |
| 21:54.59 | lcuk_3 | (dns cache i mean...) |
| 21:55.15 | dererk | lcuk_3, I didn't, but I used different resolving methods |
| 21:55.23 | dererk | (i'm not root here) |
| 21:55.58 | lcuk_3 | is it the flash image you are after? |
| 21:56.05 | dererk | yes |
| 21:56.18 | dererk | I'm downloading it from a terrific slow adsl connection throw ssh |
| 21:56.22 | lcuk_3 | which one are you looking for and which locale are you |
| 21:56.50 | dererk | lcuk_3, don't worry, I'm about half on it |
| 21:56.52 | lcuk_3 | perhaps someone will know a mirror or at least will give you full filename so you can google |
| 21:57.10 | dererk | lcuk_3, thanks, but really, don't worry |
| 21:57.28 | dererk | I appreciate it |
| 21:57.33 | lcuk_3 | im not worried... i got my latest flash via torrent tho - nokia servers piss a lot of people off |
| 21:57.42 | dererk | ohhhhh |
| 21:57.56 | dererk | great to hear it's not just me |
| 21:58.40 | lcuk_3 | :) welcome to nokia internet tablet world |
| 21:58.56 | dererk | looooooooool |
| 22:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the end of our server troubles is near. |
| 22:00.54 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, I don't get it |
| 22:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | Work is underway to fix the servers. |
| 22:01.11 | dererk | ah |
| 22:01.17 | dererk | great to hear that |
| 22:02.58 | lcuk_3 | now, since i have been poking at this for the last hour and can't get it working... |
| 22:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | Just be glad you weren't here for the initial OS2008 beta release. <_< |
| 22:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | Remember, remember the 26th of November. . . . |
| 22:03.40 | lcuk_3 | could someone try and test a small compile for 810 chinook armel in scratchbox |
| 22:03.41 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, where this problems on that time? |
| 22:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | tablets-dev, Extras, and Garage were basically unreachable for two weeks. |
| 22:04.17 | dererk | omg |
| 22:04.28 | dererk | <ironic> nice work Nokia! |
| 22:04.35 | dererk | </ironic :P> |
| 22:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | So thousands of people were trying to get the OS2008 release and mostly couldn't |
| 22:04.44 | lcuk_3 | i was speaking to pupnik yesterday and he said https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n770demos/ would be a good base program but i cant get it going |
| 22:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | those that did couldn't install any software. |
| 22:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it was fun. |
| 22:05.10 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, it's soooo patetic! |
| 22:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely |
| 22:05.20 | lcuk_3 | i grabbed all the source from svn and have kinda sussed how to compile it, but it wont link :( |
| 22:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | The poor maemo guys are way understaffed, underfunded, and undersupported. |
| 22:05.38 | dererk | lcuk_3, :// |
| 22:05.56 | dererk | Yeah! that's so true in opensource community :/ |
| 22:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | The glacial movement of big corporate entities doesn't help matters, either. |
| 22:06.24 | dererk | and with the excellent work the did/do/will still be doing! |
| 22:06.31 | dererk | it's so blameful... |
| 22:06.46 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, i fully agree |
| 22:07.50 | pupnik | lcuk_3: if you copy/paste your errors to something like pastebin.ca I might be able to help |
| 22:08.00 | lcuk_3 | ok pup, thx |
| 22:10.08 | ds3 | any word on if a OS2008HE for the 770 is underway? |
| 22:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | It is. |
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| 22:10.44 | lcuk_3 | http://pastebin.ca/893123 i had to make changes to n770-triangels.c to get it compiling (code bug), but the rest is as i obtained from cvs |
| 22:11.04 | ds3 | is there a page on it? |
| 22:11.07 | lcuk_3 | it compiled all modules the first time i ran it but failed at same point each time |
| 22:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | There's an announcement on maemo.org somewhere. |
| 22:11.22 | ds3 | okay |
| 22:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure google would turn up something. |
| 22:11.37 | dererk | google SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:11.44 | dererk | (it's the latest I think) |
| 22:11.44 | ds3 | think a 770 would be nicely recycled into a CAR pc type app |
| 22:11.58 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, ebook reader and media remote. |
| 22:12.16 | pupnik | nice error lcuk_3 :) never saw that |
| 22:12.24 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 22:12.29 | lcuk_3 | great! |
| 22:12.43 | pupnik | this buildpp.pl is also strange |
| 22:12.48 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I want a CarPC anyways |
| 22:12.49 | dererk | 15' minutes to target |
| 22:12.54 | lcuk_3 | yes, there is no compile/make |
| 22:13.10 | ds3 | biggest hurdle for what I want is a reliable USB host mode on the 770 |
| 22:13.17 | lcuk_3 | its not a simple little thing, the perl mod compiles whatevers in the subfolders |
| 22:13.31 | *** join/#maemo steel (n=steel@91.84.165.52) |
| 22:13.35 | dererk | please no! |
| 22:13.41 | ds3 | that's also the reason why the 770 is superior to the N800 (lack of a bracket covering it and the location of the jacks is on the bottom |
| 22:13.54 | lcuk_3 | all i wanted was a simple base progr with standard build options so i could see how it all went together and start coding rather than faffing |
| 22:14.05 | Jaffa | Woohoo, USB host on my N810 using the standard cable from Nokia, a USB female/female adapter, a 1GB thumb drive and the poking of a /sys device. Open File Manager: bingo :-) |
| 22:14.46 | pupnik | lcuk_3: well as that is pretty non-standard i'd say 'meh' and move on to something else |
| 22:14.55 | ds3 | Jaffa: 1G is such small thing to have as a thumb drive! |
| 22:15.02 | lcuk_3 | jaffa, its nice isnt it :) tho my keyboard crashes nokia if i press keys from different segments of the board - i think it takes the current too high |
| 22:15.04 | Jaffa | One from work |
| 22:15.43 | ds3 | 1G thumb drive don't typically have a good storage:volume ratio compared to say a 16G SDHC card |
| 22:16.48 | ds3 | oh it is the storage:cost ratio here hehe |
| 22:17.01 | Redline` | lipoly isn't the future. it has a lower cycle count are typically are more fragile. the future will be the LiIon batteries that use nanowires. |
| 22:17.15 | Redline` | a little late in the convo, but I thought I'd put my two cents in. :P |
| 22:17.43 | lcuk_3 | you mean the super capacitors :) |
| 22:17.49 | Redline` | no. |
| 22:17.59 | Redline` | super caps are already here. |
| 22:18.21 | ds3 | fuel cell cartridges |
| 22:18.23 | Redline` | http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html |
| 22:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | I like fuel cell. |
| 22:19.07 | dererk | lol |
| 22:19.20 | ds3 | now if someone would make a nice little one using ethanol/propanol/methanol |
| 22:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, really, really, small internal combustion engines would work for me, too. |
| 22:19.31 | elb | the real shine for lipo is weight/power |
| 22:19.41 | elb | all the RC aircraft stuff is moving to it |
| 22:19.46 | Redline` | yeah, the weight factor is nice. |
| 22:20.31 | Redline` | it'd be nice if they could incorporate nanowires in lipoly. |
| 22:20.36 | ds3 | small ICE? ones that generate more heat then the ARM processor it powers? =) |
| 22:20.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hell yeah! |
| 22:20.53 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, small, like a "small bunch of fire" ? :P |
| 22:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | Then use that heat to manufacture more power. |
| 22:21.03 | ds3 | elb: the problem there is a little 'oops' with charging and you have a big problem |
| 22:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | tiny steam generators. |
| 22:21.30 | dererk | loool |
| 22:21.41 | lcuk_3 | output from new AMD processor: hot coffee |
| 22:21.41 | pupnik | developers need to be careful what Section: they use - polluting the app manager with misspelled or stupid sections is bad bad bad |
| 22:21.53 | Jaffa | yup |
| 22:22.02 | Jaffa | yet another reason to have gatekeepers |
| 22:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | We should fit all developers with tasers. |
| 22:22.05 | Blafasel | THe app manager is bad bad bad? ;) |
| 22:22.14 | dererk | hahah |
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| 22:22.40 | dererk | 7' to target :D |
| 22:22.46 | pupnik | well for me, user/Games is not hard to remember |
| 22:22.55 | dererk | pupnik, hehe |
| 22:24.42 | pupnik | ergh, others suggest lowercase user/games :( |
| 22:24.49 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html |
| 22:25.20 | Navi | pew pew |
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| 22:25.44 | perrito666 | good afternoon |
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| 22:26.04 | dererk | perrito666, hey! :D |
| 22:26.22 | perrito666 | dererk: you are everywhere :D |
| 22:26.29 | dererk | Like trash :D |
| 22:26.35 | dererk | ehm, I meant, god :P |
| 22:27.10 | perrito666 | dererk: you don't happent to know how to suspend a n800 don't you? |
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| 22:27.36 | dererk | perrito666, I don't :S |
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| 22:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | perrito666, the watchdog will kill it if you do. |
| 22:28.01 | dererk | flasher v0.8.1 (Jan 5 2007) |
| 22:28.01 | dererk | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 22:28.08 | dererk | grrrrrrrr |
| 22:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | Is the device on? |
| 22:28.23 | perrito666 | pupnik: that sounds strongly like tea+wine |
| 22:28.24 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, yes |
| 22:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Booted to a desktop? |
| 22:28.43 | dererk | dmesg | grep nokia -> scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia 770 0308 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 |
| 22:28.49 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, yeas |
| 22:28.53 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, yes * |
| 22:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off. |
| 22:28.57 | dererk | oh |
| 22:28.59 | dererk | ok |
| 22:28.59 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: so I have to boot and shut down this thing each time? |
| 22:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | perrito666, just lock it and put it in offline mode. |
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| 22:29.46 | dererk | perrito666, my quite-used n770 when blank-screening lasts about 12 hours |
| 22:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | dererk, turn it off, plug it in, make sure flasher is waiting, then turn it on. |
| 22:29.57 | perrito666 | dererk: ouch |
| 22:29.58 | dererk | perrito666, yours might last even longer :P |
| 22:30.26 | perrito666 | I mean wow |
| 22:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | 7-12 days idle is normal. |
| 22:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | assuming no runaway processes and offline mode. |
| 22:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | 1-3-ish days connected to wifi |
| 22:31.05 | dererk | OMG! |
| 22:31.11 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: nice |
| 22:31.31 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, no luck either |
| 22:31.32 | dererk | :S |
| 22:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, perrito666, standby is kinda pointless for these devices. |
| 22:31.39 | dererk | ah |
| 22:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | ARM is incredibly power-efficient. |
| 22:31.50 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, great! |
| 22:31.56 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, (did work) |
| 22:32.08 | dererk | <GeneralAntilles> ARM is incredibly power-efficient. <-- I see that! |
| 22:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | They're intended to be left on 24/7. |
| 22:32.54 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: I did know that, but I wasn't sure how power saving would this gadget go by locking it |
| 22:32.56 | dererk | pretty nice |
| 22:32.58 | pupnik | i have to give credit to the maemo.org people for the great tutorials |
| 22:33.20 | Redline` | in offline mode, the osso-rtcomm/chat app eats CPU trying to find out if the network is up. either that or it's constantly trying to register your accounts. |
| 22:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | Basically as power-saving as it gets. |
| 22:33.33 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 22:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | wifi is incredibly efficient, too. |
| 22:33.58 | pupnik | agree GeneralAntilles |
| 22:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | set the device down for a few seconds without stuff running and it's about as idle as it'll get. |
| 22:34.08 | Redline` | ever since I put on the new rtcomm package, my batt doesn't last more than two and one-half days. so yesterday I disabled the accounts. batt status was normal with 8 days standby. |
| 22:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | Redline`, it _is_ a beta release. :P |
| 22:34.33 | dererk | yeah, I agreed too |
| 22:34.35 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: cut me some slack :D my last portable device was a zire31 |
| 22:34.35 | Redline` | yeah. |
| 22:34.41 | Redline` | I know this. :P |
| 22:34.41 | dererk | It does not even get hot! |
| 22:34.51 | Redline` | My statement was more of a warning. :P |
| 22:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | perrito666, I'm just edumacating. ;) |
| 22:35.04 | perrito666 | GeneralAntilles: it is good to know |
| 22:35.21 | derf | I mean, I walked arouned Tokyo using maemo-mapper and BT GPS for 14 hours the other day, and the battery lasted the whole time. |
| 22:35.31 | perrito666 | I really got lost when I didn't found a "go to sleep" button or link |
| 22:35.33 | derf | The N810 seems to do much better than the N800. |
| 22:35.56 | perrito666 | derf: cool |
| 22:36.08 | GeneralAntilles | derf, probably more of a configuration issue. |
| 22:36.08 | Redline` | derf, that's because of the BT GPS that you use on the N800 |
| 22:36.22 | *** join/#maemo jackster (n=jack@91.105.205.113) |
| 22:36.22 | Redline` | whereas, the n810 has it on board. |
| 22:36.23 | derf | Redline`: No, I was using the same BT GPS on the N810. |
| 22:36.30 | derf | I've yet to get the internal one to work. |
| 22:36.35 | Redline` | really? |
| 22:36.41 | derf | Really. |
| 22:36.48 | derf | Best I ever got was 4 satellites. |
| 22:37.04 | perrito666 | derf: I really wanted to go for a 810 but the relation availability/price on .ar is not really nice |
| 22:37.14 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Possibly... there's less crap installed since I just got it. |
| 22:37.36 | dererk | Great! flashing! |
| 22:37.52 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, Tak, lcuk_3 thanks for all the fish! |
| 22:37.58 | lcuk_3 | dererk, STOP QUICK, YOU MADE MY SCREEN GO BLANK |
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| 22:38.28 | dererk | lcuk_3, loooooool |
| 22:38.31 | dererk | lcuk_3, hahaha |
| 22:38.46 | GeneralAntilles | There's not really enough different hardware-wise for a really major difference in battery life to be possible. |
| 22:39.07 | lcuk_3 | is it same model battery? |
| 22:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 22:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | But the capacity really isn't any different. |
| 22:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | Basically a change in shape. |
| 22:40.07 | lcuk_3 | that could make all the difference, its not just capacity, but the way a specific battery handles drain and charge possibly? |
| 22:41.42 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, quick question :) |
| 22:41.53 | dererk | flashing utility says "flash completed" |
| 22:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | Did you do -R ? |
| 22:42.03 | dererk | but my device is still on "booting screen" |
| 22:42.20 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, crap... INSTALL file didn't said that :S |
| 22:42.34 | dererk | s/crap/damn/ |
| 22:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Just run: flasher-3.0 -R |
| 22:42.44 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, now? |
| 22:42.47 | GeneralAntilles | -R for restart |
| 22:42.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:42.56 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, :D |
| 22:43.09 | dererk | oh |
| 22:43.16 | dererk | same kernel booting now :S |
| 22:44.06 | Redline` | anyone using a class6 sd card as their boot mmc? |
| 22:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Redline`, though not as primary. |
| 22:44.34 | *** part/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=GeneralA@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles) |
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| 22:45.08 | perrito666 | ok gtg, thanks for your help :D |
| 22:45.15 | *** part/#maemo perrito666 (n=francis@124-50-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 22:45.17 | Redline` | is the bootup/app loading time worth the investment to get a class6? |
| 22:45.27 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, Thanks again |
| 22:45.35 | dererk | Now flashing is completed |
| 22:45.38 | dererk | :D |
| 22:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, a 150x SD card is probably faster than a class 6 card |
| 22:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | but, no, you wont really notice the speed difference booting from SD. |
| 22:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | SD is just my backup/Debian partitions. |
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| 22:46.28 | Redline` | see that's my experience, but another co-worker said that his boots up faster with his SD card. |
| 22:46.35 | Redline` | I just really didn't see a diff. |
| 22:46.51 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html aha there are valid subsections |
| 22:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Placebo. |
| 22:47.12 | Redline` | heh |
| 22:48.23 | dererk | Oh, nice look&&feel the HE :D |
| 22:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Find and install the Plankton theme. |
| 22:51.46 | pupnik | ls -1 /scratchbox/...../projects |wc -l |
| 22:51.46 | dererk | default is a dark blue&&black |
| 22:51.48 | dererk | is that? |
| 22:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 has been the only ITOS release so far to not come with an horrifyingly ugly default theme selection. |
| 22:51.48 | pupnik | 178 |
| 22:52.03 | dererk | ohhhhh, I love this new version! |
| 22:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | Default on OS2007 is "Adria" |
| 22:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | and it's ugly. :P |
| 22:52.51 | dererk | let me check which am i |
| 22:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | If it's blue and black |
| 22:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | it's Adria. |
| 22:53.00 | dererk | oh |
| 22:53.02 | dererk | yeas, Adria |
| 22:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png |
| 22:53.20 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, I'll follow your advice |
| 22:53.29 | dererk | checking |
| 22:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/12pt-hildon-theme-plankton/ |
| 22:53.54 | steel | does anyone know how to persuade maemo mapper to use the built in GPS on the N810? |
| 22:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | There's also a 14pt for the wimpy blind folks. |
| 22:53.58 | dererk | I _love_ this new feature of "darking" screen |
| 22:54.01 | GeneralAntilles | and a regular 18pt for the really blind folks. |
| 22:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | steel, Bluetooth |
| 22:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | no MAC. |
| 22:54.37 | dererk | jajaja |
| 22:54.44 | dererk | s/j/h/g |
| 22:54.50 | dererk | thanks infobot |
| 22:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | 18pt: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ |
| 22:55.03 | pupnik | compared to most user generated themes, the nokia themes are all good |
| 22:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, lies. :P |
| 22:55.24 | dererk | pupnik, ehmmm, partially :P |
| 22:55.29 | dererk | default ones are scaring :P |
| 22:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton and the Nuvo series were both much better than the defaults. |
| 22:55.48 | steel | GeneralAntilles: working now, many thanks |
| 22:55.49 | dererk | oh, I died :) |
| 22:55.56 | dererk | hardware keyboard control |
| 22:56.02 | dererk | i died of happiness |
| 22:56.03 | dererk | :) |
| 22:56.20 | pupnik | Nokia themes don't break the tablet. Nuvo does. |
| 22:56.23 | dererk | I used Nuvo, good one indeed |
| 22:56.35 | dererk | But when chatting, colors dark the text |
| 22:56.39 | pupnik | Otherwise i think it's great |
| 22:56.42 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world did Nuvo break? |
| 22:56.43 | dererk | unless on my old firm |
| 22:56.50 | ds3 | i am surprised how well os2008 works with fingers (instead of a stylus) |
| 22:57.12 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, in my case (with the old firm), it make chatting text unreadable |
| 22:57.13 | pupnik | a long list of things GeneralAntilles. I don't have names for all the regions. Icons and bootscreen also. |
| 22:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 22:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | I used Nuvo for a long time. |
| 22:57.41 | pupnik | konttori will be receiving screenshots |
| 22:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | Never had any problem. |
| 22:58.01 | pupnik | that's the nature of things. problems don't always appear consistently |
| 22:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton looks better anyway. |
| 22:58.20 | dererk | Which is the default "lock code" now on the latest HE firm? |
| 22:58.22 | pupnik | nuvoblack is my favorite. no more ugly white border around xterm |
| 22:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | 12345 |
| 22:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | That doesn't change with firmware flashes, though. |
| 22:58.51 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, Incorrect :S |
| 22:58.52 | dererk | oh |
| 22:58.55 | dererk | thanks for that tip |
| 22:58.55 | dererk | :) |
| 22:59.19 | dererk | yeap they don't |
| 22:59.20 | dererk | XD |
| 22:59.51 | dererk | oh men, I'm exploting of happiness with this new release :D |
| 22:59.58 | dererk | (not literarly :) ) |
| 23:00.15 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, again, many thanks pal |
| 23:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 23:01.45 | elb | I have no idea what it is about people that they cannot get it through their heads that font sizes MEAN something, and X server DPIs MEAN something |
| 23:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Assed? |
| 23:02.15 | elb | yes -- an 18pt font on the tablet should, by all rights, be exactly 18pt high |
| 23:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, right. |
| 23:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | That. :P |
| 23:02.25 | elb | but some genius decided to totally lie about the display DPI |
| 23:02.43 | elb | I would blame Nokia, but ... X.org no longer properly honors DisplaySize in recent versions |
| 23:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Probably easier than actually fixing things to make it work right. |
| 23:02.55 | elb | so the disease is not theirs alone |
| 23:03.14 | elb | no, it's Really Easy to get right -- just tell the X display what its dot pitch *really is*, and pango gets it right |
| 23:03.43 | elb | then if you set your font to "9pt" or whatever on every machine yo uhave ... it's the same physical size on the screen, on every machine you have |
| 23:03.54 | elb | general ignorance and stupidity, I suspect |
| 23:04.00 | elb | as with most other recent X11 blunders |
| 23:04.11 | johnx | elb, Xomap has -dpi 96 passed to it :P |
| 23:04.31 | elb | johnx: I saw that it does in scratchbox ... does it on the tablet, as well? |
| 23:04.33 | Redline` | steel, GPSd was being used to allow onboard GPS use with maemo-mapper. but according to http://www.latheofdreams.com/2007/12/n810-travelling-with-the-car-m.html 2.2 automagically start it (provided it's installed). |
| 23:04.40 | johnx | elb, yup :D |
| 23:04.42 | elb | lame |
| 23:04.49 | elb | so it IS nokia stupidity, and not the X server |
| 23:05.14 | johnx | traditionally the XUL parts of firefox do not cope well with dpi's that are far away from 96 |
| 23:05.48 | johnx | I think the rendering engine part gets it right...so I'm kind of at a loss to explain it |
| 23:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | If only everything were clear and logical. |
| 23:06.39 | johnx | I'd settle for a couple things being clear and logical |
| 23:06.54 | elb | that's unfortunate ... because it's closer to 220x202 DPI |
| 23:07.05 | johnx | yeah |
| 23:07.09 | elb | based on my quick calculations with a scale |
| 23:07.19 | elb | if it reported 200dpi, fonts would be Pretty Darn Close to correct |
| 23:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | 225dpi for N800 |
| 23:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | Little higher for N810, I think. |
| 23:07.46 | elb | I think the displays are identical |
| 23:07.57 | johnx | N810's is a little smaller, right? |
| 23:08.00 | elb | I just measured with a scale and di the math (on my n810) and got the above numbers |
| 23:08.12 | elb | johnx: I was under the impression that the *housing* is smaller, but the display is identical |
| 23:08.18 | elb | but I've never held an n800, so I don't know |
| 23:08.27 | pupnik | N810 display is a bit smaller than 770 at least |
| 23:08.28 | johnx | I don't know either |
| 23:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | I think the display is smaller. |
| 23:09.07 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't actually know. |
| 23:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | There's not a lot of room around the edge of the N800's LCD for a 4.15" to 4.1" change. |
| 23:09.46 | elb | ahh a more precise calculation gives me 226.5x227.5 |
| 23:10.12 | johnx | yeah...I would assume square pixels given that it's an LCD |
| 23:10.13 | lcdd | often it looks as if font hinting only works properly at 96 dpi |
| 23:10.20 | elb | and the actual *pixel surface* size I measure at 4 34/64 x 2 7/64 |
| 23:10.36 | elb | sorry, 3 34/64 |
| 23:10.37 | lcdd | so that 90 or 98 dpi, while correct, look ugly |
| 23:11.12 | elb | with a diagonal of 4 7/64 |
| 23:11.16 | johnx | I blame windows for the ridiculous DPI situation... |
| 23:11.42 | elb | johnx: yes, the difference from square is quite possibly from parallax and my measurement accuracy |
| 23:12.53 | GeneralAntilles | Windows is such a wonderfully convenient scapegoat. |
| 23:13.22 | elb | and yet, it really has done so much damage |
| 23:13.34 | jeff1f | How so? |
| 23:13.40 | elb | at one time, macs actually *had* 72dpi screens, giving them 1pt = 1px |
| 23:13.59 | elb | jeff1f: it's Really Really Dumb about its display characteristics |
| 23:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | . . . because most everything is actually its fault. ;) |
| 23:14.24 | elb | going back to people having monitors for which they had no idea what numbers to enter ... so Microsoft started just making crap up |
| 23:14.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, IIRC the whole 96dpi thing actually originated in Windows... |
| 23:15.11 | elb | to be fair, even modern displays mostly lie about their physical size in their probing craps |
| 23:15.24 | johnx | how modern? |
| 23:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Do it. |
| 23:15.42 | johnx | Everything I've had for the last several years has worked just fine |
| 23:15.44 | elb | johnx: well ... find your newest display, fireup X11, and look at what the display tells it, and you tell me ;-) |
| 23:16.00 | johnx | elb, alright. I'm sitting at it right now. :) |
| 23:16.16 | elb | it's my experience that they're often off by several cm or more |
| 23:16.24 | elb | (X11 reports in mm) |
| 23:16.40 | elb | yes, that's right -- it reports display size in mm and dot pitch in DPI |
| 23:16.46 | elb | Go Metrics Go! |
| 23:17.03 | dererk | Do you think using virtual paging to memory card is valuable? |
| 23:17.26 | johnx | correct down to the mm :P |
| 23:17.31 | elb | johnx: nice! |
| 23:17.34 | elb | who made it? |
| 23:17.40 | johnx | elb, Benq |
| 23:17.52 | johnx | but it's someone elses actual LCD panel I'm sure... |
| 23:18.23 | elb | huh, DISPLAY_DPI is in /etc/osso-af-init/x-server.defs |
| 23:18.31 | johnx | dererk, yes, but remember that flash memory (aka SD cards) have a limited number of write cycles... |
| 23:18.43 | dererk | uhm, right |
| 23:18.49 | elb | the internal card shouldn't, right? |
| 23:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | ITOS's swappiness is quite low by default. |
| 23:19.00 | elb | because it's NOR and not NAND or whichever? |
| 23:19.00 | dererk | i didn't took that into account |
| 23:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | 770 in this case. |
| 23:19.18 | elb | oh |
| 23:19.22 | elb | yeah, I was thinking n810 |
| 23:19.26 | dererk | GeneralAntilles, you're right |
| 23:19.50 | elb | haha these fonts are HUGE |
| 23:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | dererk, with the amount of swapping that ITOS does, it's incredibly unlikely that you'll wear out a flash card before the end of its useful lifetime. |
| 23:20.36 | dererk | yes, you're right |
| 23:20.50 | dererk | I forgot it's quite slow at I/O'ing |
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| 23:22.12 | elb | yeah, boy, this messes EVERYTHING up |
| 23:22.25 | johnx | elb, sad :( |
| 23:22.37 | elb | a fixed theme would help |
| 23:22.44 | *** join/#maemo onion (n=milang@tori.tal.org) |
| 23:22.47 | elb | but inter-line spacing seems to be incorrect, as well |
| 23:23.34 | pupnik | i want better fonts for os2008 xterm |
| 23:23.45 | pupnik | that courier-like one is not so good |
| 23:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | Terminus |
| 23:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to have Monaco 9, but I can't figure out how to turn off anti-aliasing for it. |
| 23:28.10 | Blafasel | elb: Screenshots? For fun? |
| 23:31.16 | *** join/#maemo LinuxCode (n=Titan@unaffiliated/linuxcode) |
| 23:31.35 | LinuxCode | evening |
| 23:31.53 | LinuxCode | correct me if im wrong, but can it be skype for the N8x0 doesnt support video ? |
| 23:31.59 | LinuxCode | that* |
| 23:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Duh |
| 23:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo for video. |
| 23:32.33 | LinuxCode | gizmo does skype ? |
| 23:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:32.42 | LinuxCode | lol k |
| 23:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | But Skype is crappy and proprietary anyway. |
| 23:32.50 | LinuxCode | amsn does it |
| 23:33.11 | LinuxCode | i agree |
| 23:33.22 | LinuxCode | but me and my brother wanted to test it |
| 23:33.31 | LinuxCode | he lives in Germany |
| 23:34.16 | elb | Blafasel: change /etc/osso-af-init/x-server.defs to say DISPLAY_DPI=225, reboot, and see for yourself |
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| 23:42.08 | Blafasel | LinuxCode: Why don't you go for Gizmo then? |
| 23:42.15 | Blafasel | elb: Will try |
| 23:42.37 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, what does gizmo support ? |
| 23:42.47 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, mainly because my brother knows skype |
| 23:42.48 | Blafasel | SIP/Video |
| 23:42.50 | LinuxCode | hes on a mac |
| 23:42.52 | LinuxCode | ahh |
| 23:42.56 | LinuxCode | interesting |
| 23:43.01 | *** join/#maemo Redline` (i=redline@lasziv.reprehensible.net) |
| 23:43.02 | LinuxCode | is it p2p ? |
| 23:43.25 | Blafasel | No, but your brother is out of luck for video support (Mac) for now. |
| 23:43.31 | LinuxCode | k |
| 23:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | Give it 2 months. |
| 23:43.49 | LinuxCode | well we were more curious really |
| 23:43.54 | *** join/#maemo Tama^2 (n=me@ip-118-90-106-129.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 23:43.57 | LinuxCode | see how the N810 handles it ;-} |
| 23:43.59 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 23:44.02 | Blafasel | LinuxCode: Works quite well, though |
| 23:44.07 | LinuxCode | eveing Tama^2 |
| 23:44.11 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, sweet |
| 23:44.18 | Tama^2 | Ciao LinuxCode |
| 23:44.20 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is exactly like Skype, except open. |
| 23:44.29 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, I gathered that |
| 23:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | So you can use it entirely with rtcomm |
| 23:44.31 | LinuxCode | I prefer sip |
| 23:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | No need for a bloaty 3rd party client. |
| 23:45.09 | LinuxCode | I prefer open standards ..which sip is |
| 23:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is SIP. |
| 23:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | and Jabber. |
| 23:45.31 | Blafasel | What's up with a ekiga port, btw_ |
| 23:45.34 | Tama^2 | Gizmo didn;t use to have encryption, does it now? |
| 23:45.46 | elb | why would Gizmo use SIP? |
| 23:45.56 | elb | (I'm not saying it doesn't; I just don't see why) |
| 23:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Why not? |
| 23:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | So it can work with whatever client you want to use it with? |
| 23:46.21 | elb | I thought it used jabber for its session establishment |
| 23:46.48 | elb | jabber and SIP are really serving the same purpose |
| 23:46.58 | Blafasel | Nah |
| 23:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I dunno. |
| 23:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | It works. |
| 23:47.19 | Blafasel | They use Jabber for the IM stuff. Yes, SIP can support that as well |
| 23:47.55 | Blafasel | At least that's what I understood so far. |
| 23:47.56 | elb | that's not really relevant, here |
| 23:48.14 | elb | I thought Gizmo used jabber for presence and session establishment |
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| 23:48.58 | Blafasel | Like gtalk, just replacing jingle with <whatever>? |
| 23:50.11 | elb | looks like it doesn't, its basic signaling is SIP |
| 23:50.45 | elb | actually, I can't tell, I'm seeing both |
| 23:50.48 | elb | maybe it really does use both |
| 23:50.51 | elb | which is ... interesting |
| 23:52.11 | Blafasel | Well, imo SIP is better supported in all those legacy voip clients, jabber the better choice for im (looking at miranda, sim, pidgin, trillian, kopete whatever) |
| 23:54.04 | doc|work | you can use sip with rtcomm |
| 23:54.12 | doc|work | integrates with maemo |
