| 00:00.21 | lcuk_2 | or would it be something the user could do. ie follow links given a few base articles and areas of interest |
| 00:00.33 | Alendit | well, i'm not the developer of it, i just ported it (quite poorly) from openmoko..and you can use any image of wikipedia |
| 00:00.58 | lcuk_2 | "i want to see all supermodel articles which include pictures and links to their playboy pages" |
| 00:01.00 | Alendit | just run scripts from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia on wiki dump |
| 00:01.11 | Alendit | and it has no pictures |
| 00:01.22 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, glad to see you get your priorities right ;-p |
| 00:01.51 | Alendit | http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html |
| 00:02.00 | lcuk_2 | no linux thats not my priorities, its just i already have that search result saved, so i can do some ermm fact checking |
| 00:02.10 | lcuk_2 | yes, fact checking |
| 00:02.26 | Alendit | it's my howto on it, you can try it with some smaller image, just make it with mksquashfs-tools |
| 00:02.56 | Alendit | i'll go sleep, cya |
| 00:02.56 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, i see! |
| 00:03.02 | LinuxCode | nn Alendit |
| 00:03.18 | lcuk_2 | wasnt there a competition earlier last year about compressing a wiki extract |
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| 00:03.50 | LinuxCode | claws email mmm |
| 00:03.51 | lcuk_2 | ahhhh, bit longer - 16th august 2006 |
| 00:03.51 | lcuk_2 | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/13/200254 |
| 00:03.56 | elb | make [citation needed] 1 bit on a huffman tree and you're ahead of the competition |
| 00:03.56 | LinuxCode | no idea how to import certs |
| 00:04.16 | LinuxCode | this whole cert thing will be a problem..I can say so much |
| 00:04.19 | lcuk_2 | 13th * |
| 00:07.24 | |tbb| | alendit any screenshot how it looks like on n8x0 |
| 00:08.05 | lcuk_2 | tbb, hes gone, but it should look wikipedia enough just without any images |
| 00:08.49 | lcuk_2 | ok, found moonlander keys in scp earlier. tell me if this makes sense: |
| 00:08.54 | lcuk_2 | # Enter the ASCII decimal code |
| 00:08.54 | lcuk_2 | LEFT=276 |
| 00:08.54 | |tbb| | hmmh, so better than the sdict viewer version then |
| 00:09.00 | lcuk_2 | im not sure |
| 00:09.05 | lcuk_2 | ask him tomorrow |
| 00:10.04 | lcuk_2 | ASCII is 7 bit, even 8 bit extended ASCII is still max of 255. how the heck is 276 a valid ASCII code? |
| 00:10.34 | LinuxCode | is it maybe the keycodes for the errm what was it called again |
| 00:10.50 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, were you here when i made a pipekey ? |
| 00:11.00 | LinuxCode | for the shell |
| 00:11.09 | johnx | lcuk_2, well it's not x11 keycodes... |
| 00:11.10 | lcuk_2 | no but i know what you mean |
| 00:11.37 | lcuk_2 | you enter them on the console just under the warp manifold just at the other end of that jeffries tube |
| 00:12.57 | LinuxCode | meh I thought I had the key list bookamrked |
| 00:12.58 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 00:13.20 | lcuk_2 | ive got it somewhere, eyes and fingers just a bit busy at the mom |
| 00:13.33 | lcuk_2 | ^ent |
| 00:13.59 | LinuxCode | VK_DOWN |
| 00:14.01 | LinuxCode | VK_UP |
| 00:14.03 | LinuxCode | etc.. |
| 00:14.49 | LinuxCode | for osso-xterm I just omitted the VK_ bit |
| 00:15.21 | lcuk_2 | well have you altered your keys for moonlander? if so dig them out and tell me what you have used and what codes they are |
| 00:15.28 | lcuk_2 | plz ? |
| 00:15.32 | LinuxCode | hehe no |
| 00:15.36 | LinuxCode | havent |
| 00:15.43 | LinuxCode | but now I can esc |
| 00:15.45 | lcuk_2 | then how do you play it |
| 00:15.45 | LinuxCode | hold |
| 00:16.03 | LinuxCode | it says |
| 00:16.09 | hachi | does anyone know why the jffs on nokia devices is mounted though an mtd driver layered on top of an ide device? |
| 00:16.11 | LinuxCode | edit ~/.moon_lander |
| 00:16.20 | LinuxCode | edit ~/.moon_lander_keys |
| 00:16.21 | lcuk_2 | _keys |
| 00:16.26 | LinuxCode | yah |
| 00:16.27 | lcuk_2 | i have done |
| 00:16.30 | johnx | hachi, IDE device? |
| 00:17.15 | LinuxCode | i see |
| 00:17.19 | hachi | I... thought I was looking at the boot options for maemo on my nokia and it says something like mtd[something]=hda root=/dev/mtd |
| 00:17.20 | johnx | hachi, I'm pretty sure it's an ordinary NAND chip. No IDE interfaces at all inside the tablet I think... |
| 00:17.37 | hachi | hmm, I'll look again, I'm asking this question from memory :\ |
| 00:17.47 | johnx | you have me curious :) |
| 00:17.53 | johnx | I'll look through dmesg |
| 00:18.13 | lcuk_2 | where is that held john? |
| 00:18.59 | johnx | lcuk_2, just run dmesg |
| 00:19.09 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, be nice if we knew the key valuees of the joypad ;-| |
| 00:19.29 | johnx | it holds the kernel messages in a smallish buffer in RAM |
| 00:19.35 | johnx | maybe 64KB at most? |
| 00:19.37 | hachi | johnx: part of why I'm asking is because the mtd website is down and so I can't read all the docs they have up there :) |
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| 00:20.28 | lcuk_2 | wicked! thanks johnx :) [34471.882812] slide (GPIO 110) is now open |
| 00:20.31 | lophyte | hey all, is it possible to configure an n800/os2008 to act as a wifi bridge? |
| 00:20.38 | lophyte | between usbnet<->wifi |
| 00:20.39 | johnx | hachi, I'm looking at dmesg but I don't see any references to hda |
| 00:20.51 | jott | hehe http://lemmini.de/ is almost playable on a n810 :) |
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| 00:21.17 | lcuk_2 | wow, thats total time since boot on the left hand side isnt it |
| 00:22.11 | johnx | it would appear so |
| 00:22.36 | hachi | as reported by gettimeofday |
| 00:22.52 | johnx | lophyte, is specific kernel support required for bridging? |
| 00:22.57 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, hey! |
| 00:23.01 | LinuxCode | you know what.. |
| 00:23.03 | lophyte | yeah I just saw it in the wiki... |
| 00:23.10 | lophyte | have to compile your own kernel modules to do NAT |
| 00:23.12 | LinuxCode | the ascii values were in the list I had |
| 00:23.15 | LinuxCode | from the source |
| 00:23.19 | LinuxCode | but I didnt bookamrk it |
| 00:23.27 | johnx | lophyte, you could do bridging instead I think |
| 00:23.34 | lophyte | hmm.. |
| 00:23.37 | lophyte | yeah, maybe |
| 00:23.47 | lophyte | I don't recall how, I'll have to look it up |
| 00:23.52 | johnx | but you'd have to do lots of scripting when interfaces appeared and went away |
| 00:23.58 | |tbb| | anyone knows if the wlan adapter use much power while doing a adhoc connection (not connected to another pc) |
| 00:24.08 | johnx | unless you *need* a bridge, I would do NAT if I were you... |
| 00:24.28 | dphil9000 | johnx: several kernel options required for iptables to bridge or nat |
| 00:24.42 | johnx | |tbb|, I'm pretty sure ad-hoc is a lot more power hungry than infrastructure mode... |
| 00:24.55 | johnx | dphil9000, thanks. that's what I thought |
| 00:25.11 | dphil9000 | Just finished bridging bluetooth to ppp on my laptop |
| 00:25.23 | |tbb| | ah k |
| 00:25.43 | dphil9000 | To get the n810 to the net |
| 00:25.48 | johnx | I've never had terribly good results with bridging interfaces that came and went as they pleased...but I'm willing to call it user error... |
| 00:25.56 | |tbb| | jott isnt lemmin java based |
| 00:26.18 | jott | |tbb|: yeah.. |
| 00:26.20 | jott | it is |
| 00:26.36 | dphil9000 | Actually nat is better than bridge for dynamic interfaces |
| 00:26.38 | lophyte | johnx, os2008 has no brctl... |
| 00:26.56 | lophyte | no bridging either |
| 00:26.57 | johnx | that's easy enough to get I would assume |
| 00:27.00 | |tbb| | java available to chinook |
| 00:27.13 | johnx | lophyte, both should be doable |
| 00:27.14 | dphil9000 | I ended up using nat without brctl |
| 00:27.41 | johnx | dphil9000, aaah. ok. When you said "bridge" I thought you meant "bridge" :P |
| 00:27.43 | Niacin | anyone got pictures of the inside of a 770? |
| 00:27.57 | jott | |tbb|: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page |
| 00:28.10 | dphil9000 | Wish i could build a custom kernel for the tablet |
| 00:28.23 | jott | the unstable repository supports swing |
| 00:28.52 | johnx | Niacin, lots of pics on google "nokia 770 disassembly" |
| 00:29.12 | johnx | dphil9000, you can rebuild the Nokia kernel at least with your own options |
| 00:29.41 | dphil9000 | Like iptables and nat? |
| 00:29.48 | johnx | yeah, sure |
| 00:29.55 | johnx | those are easy cause you can build them as modules |
| 00:30.10 | johnx | you just need a scratchbox and nokia's kernel source. |
| 00:30.28 | lophyte | yup |
| 00:30.31 | dphil9000 | Then your nat might work, it doesn't need brctl |
| 00:30.33 | lophyte | I just don't feel like doing it, lol |
| 00:30.49 | lophyte | was hoping there'd be a more simple solution |
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| 00:31.19 | jott | i wonder if there is a vm supporting jazelle |
| 00:31.20 | dphil9000 | Haven't finished setting up scratchbox on gentoo |
| 00:31.53 | johnx | stupid thing, crawlin' all over my system... |
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| 00:33.51 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, click is on now on BBC News 24 |
| 00:35.03 | |tbb| | how many watts a n770 will eat when its on full power |
| 00:35.21 | |tbb| | is that known |
| 00:35.31 | |tbb| | jott thx |
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| 00:55.02 | sssshhhhhhhhh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.13 | cyberbillp | Is anyone live here? |
| 01:07.56 | Luria | somewhat |
| 01:08.15 | Luria | watching superbowl |
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| 01:10.33 | rkabir | i'm here |
| 01:11.11 | cyberbillp | Cool. I'm looking for a bit of advice on installing the SDK for OS2008. |
| 01:11.57 | johnx | cyberbillp, What's the question? |
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| 01:12.35 | cyberbillp | The install file says to install as "root". Yet the script specifically checks and prohibits "root". I'm not sure what to do. |
| 01:12.56 | cyberbillp | sudo fails as "root" users as well. |
| 01:14.00 | johnx | iIRC, one of the scripts needs to be run as root and one needs to be run as a user |
| 01:14.52 | cyberbillp | I'm on step 1. |
| 01:15.14 | johnx | can you link me to the specific guide you're following |
| 01:15.25 | johnx | (it seems like there are a million sdk howtos floating around...) |
| 01:15.31 | cyberbillp | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt |
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| 01:16.13 | cyberbillp | I'm actually at step 2.1 which is first for a new install |
| 01:16.22 | johnx | so, "sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh" complains that it doesn't want to be run as root? |
| 01:16.23 | jott | the scratchbox installation needs root privileges and the maemo sdk installation has to be run as user |
| 01:17.07 | cyberbillp | Yes, sudo errors about being root. And it's the scratchbox install script. |
| 01:17.52 | jott | could you pastebin what you did and the output of it? |
| 01:18.15 | cyberbillp | All of it? |
| 01:19.05 | cyberbillp | [bill@cyberbillp~]$ sudo ./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh |
| 01:19.05 | cyberbillp | Password: |
| 01:19.05 | cyberbillp | This script will install maemo SDK 4.0 chinook release to your computer. |
| 01:19.05 | cyberbillp | Install options |
| 01:19.05 | cyberbillp | Do not download or install Nokia EUSA binaries (no) |
| 01:19.06 | cyberbillp | Force remove of existing targets (no) |
| 01:19.08 | cyberbillp | Alternative sources.list ('') |
| 01:19.10 | cyberbillp | Target configuration for armel (CHINOOK_ARMEL) |
| 01:19.12 | cyberbillp | compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm |
| 01:19.14 | cyberbillp | devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp |
| 01:19.16 | cyberbillp | cputransp=qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 |
| 01:19.18 | cyberbillp | Target configuration for i386 (CHINOOK_X86) |
| 01:19.19 | jott | pastebin != paste to channel :P.. but ok ;) |
| 01:19.20 | cyberbillp | compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 |
| 01:19.22 | cyberbillp | devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools |
| 01:19.24 | cyberbillp | Checking for prerequisites |
| 01:19.26 | cyberbillp | -------------------------- |
| 01:19.31 | cyberbillp | wget tool in path... /usr/bin/wget |
| 01:19.33 | cyberbillp | Checking for dpkg tool in path... which: no dpkg in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/games:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:.:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin) |
| 01:19.37 | cyberbillp | not found. |
| 01:19.39 | cyberbillp | Running outside of scratchbox... yes |
| 01:19.41 | cyberbillp | Script not run as user root... no |
| 01:19.43 | cyberbillp | E: This script should NOT be run as user root. |
| 01:19.45 | cyberbillp | oops. Never been big on irc. |
| 01:19.47 | cyberbillp | sorry |
| 01:19.57 | johnx | ~pastebin |
| 01:19.57 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 01:20.11 | jott | cyberbillp: you ran the sdk install not the scratchbox install ;) |
| 01:20.27 | jott | (scratchbox => sudo , sdk => user) |
| 01:21.03 | johnx | cyberbillp, it's ok. Everyone is new to IRC once. :) |
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| 01:22.56 | jott | cyberbillp: and you have to run the scratchbox install first |
| 01:23.19 | cyberbillp | DOH! |
| 01:24.15 | cyberbillp | Thanks tons, I knew it was something stupid I was doing. |
| 01:24.26 | jott | you're welcome ;) |
| 01:24.37 | cyberbillp | Thanks for the pastebin info too. |
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| 01:46.29 | jott | http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ hmmmm interesting |
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| 01:50.22 | lcuk_2 | jott, has anyone confirmed this? |
| 01:50.36 | jott | not yet, but the report sounds plausible |
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| 01:51.00 | jott | (confirmed as in "not me".. ;) |
| 01:51.06 | jott | will try tomorrow.. |
| 01:52.09 | lcuk_2 | nice, let us know. if i knew enough i would attempt myself tonight |
| 01:52.24 | jott | just install the packages and see if it works ;) |
| 01:53.51 | jott | http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb |
| 01:54.01 | lcuk_2 | just atarting a backup now :) |
| 01:54.06 | lcuk_2 | s |
| 01:55.56 | jeff1f | doesn't that just mean that sync times would only be slow in jan and feb 08? |
| 01:56.27 | jeff1f | I know the gps was still very slow in december |
| 01:57.15 | lcuk_2 | thats maybe what i read and its all one guy giving info and patches and his results may be anecdotal (different location for tests, inteference or other things) |
| 01:58.01 | lcuk_2 | its never locked for me when sat on my window sill, so i will install patch and see |
| 02:07.42 | jott | lcuk_2: as far as i understood this patch will not help for the first fix but only for the following (if it helps at all) |
| 02:08.20 | lcuk_2 | i know because if the timing is off then where it thinks each sat is in the sky is incorrect |
| 02:08.59 | lcuk_2 | the stored info may still be off until after a full cycle |
| 02:09.04 | lcuk_2 | or thats how i read it |
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| 02:13.34 | sssshhhhhhhhh | hopefully quick question : does anyone know where to find libassa for granule? ( os 2008 - n800) |
| 02:17.16 | johnx | I have no idea |
| 02:17.21 | johnx | maybe the one from bora will work? |
| 02:17.48 | sssshhhhhhhhh | didn't think about trying that one. I found a .deb on sourceforge, but wasn't sure if it was related. |
| 02:18.05 | johnx | what's link to the .deb on sf? |
| 02:18.27 | sssshhhhhhhhh | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=63231 |
| 02:18.45 | sssshhhhhhhhh | (scroll down) |
| 02:19.06 | johnx | it might be |
| 02:19.33 | johnx | there's only two things that end in "armel.deb" : packages for maemo and packages for debian armel |
| 02:20.18 | sssshhhhhhhhh | eh, what would it hurt - I can try it and see if it works. I could just wipe & re-install if it goes south. |
| 02:20.27 | johnx | go for it. :) |
| 02:20.30 | johnx | tell me how it works |
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| 02:21.57 | sssshhhhhhhhh | okay - I'll try it in a bit & let you know. |
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| 02:36.46 | sssshhhhhhhhh | incompatible application package. |
| 02:36.49 | sssshhhhhhhhh | bummer. |
| 02:40.08 | johnx | lame |
| 02:41.32 | johnx | back in a bit |
| 02:41.38 | johnx | have to flash BIOS :| |
| 02:42.46 | sssshhhhhhhhh | good luck |
| 02:46.20 | cyberbillp | gotta reboot. My /tmp was to small (tmpfs) to install scratchbox. Thanks again for the help. |
| 02:59.43 | smackpotato | anyone a expert on kdrive |
| 03:00.53 | smackpotato | does it have a virtual core pointer |
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| 03:05.12 | oil | orning |
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| 03:19.21 | smackpotato | wow what a difference that gspd patch makes |
| 03:19.51 | smackpotato | 20 seconds and 7 satalites lock on |
| 03:20.02 | smackpotato | inside even |
| 03:20.36 | elb | what gpsd patch is that? |
| 03:20.49 | elb | maybe this explains why my gps works fine, and all I hear from others is crying about how slow it is |
| 03:21.31 | LinuxCode | smackpotato, thats greatnews |
| 03:21.56 | smackpotato | its over at inttabelttalk |
| 03:22.20 | elb | oh, so it's not simply the latest os2008 or anything |
| 03:22.30 | elb | and my GPS apparently just remains freakishly fast ;-) |
| 03:22.37 | LinuxCode | i need to put the latest os2008 on |
| 03:22.55 | LinuxCode | i dont even know what the latest is |
| 03:23.21 | smackpotato | aperently its very simple it saved thw wrong date or something |
| 03:25.09 | smackpotato | wher are you elb |
| 03:25.59 | elb | IN, USA |
| 03:26.59 | LinuxCode | im using latest |
| 03:27.00 | smackpotato | thats not the different results then |
| 03:27.42 | smackpotato | how so LinuxCode |
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| 03:28.23 | LinuxCode | dunno was hoping for more goodies ;-p |
| 03:28.39 | LinuxCode | and some fixes |
| 03:28.39 | smackpotato | i havent got the thumbboard figered out |
| 03:28.40 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
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| 03:30.17 | LinuxCode | what a disgrace they only out the winblows flasher online |
| 03:30.23 | LinuxCode | public I mean |
| 03:30.37 | smackpotato | i wish the light sensor was not under my finger half the time |
| 03:30.41 | LinuxCode | if I hasnt asked here I wouldnt have the linux flasher |
| 03:30.49 | LinuxCode | smackpotato, chop it off hehe |
| 03:30.51 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 03:31.00 | smackpotato | lol |
| 03:31.06 | LinuxCode | I just use the stand |
| 03:31.13 | LinuxCode | and grab it from undeneath |
| 03:31.20 | LinuxCode | so it wont fall out but its comfy |
| 03:31.27 | dphil9000 | Me too, left handed with the stylus |
| 03:31.48 | LinuxCode | smackpotato, wheres the patch ? you got a direct lik ? |
| 03:32.10 | smackpotato | one minute |
| 03:37.00 | elb | the light sensor on my tablet doesn't appear to do anything |
| 03:37.06 | elb | my brightness level never changes |
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| 03:37.44 | LinuxCode | put ya finger over it |
| 03:37.50 | LinuxCode | does the keybaord light up ? |
| 03:38.23 | elb | the keyboard lights up any time I open it |
| 03:38.34 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 03:38.43 | LinuxCode | it should only come on when its dark |
| 03:38.52 | LinuxCode | and when you are typing |
| 03:39.12 | elb | nope, comes on any time I open the device |
| 03:39.21 | elb | and goes out after 20-30 seconds, unless I hit a key |
| 03:39.27 | elb | but covering the sensor doesn't re-light it |
| 03:39.27 | LinuxCode | maybe some settings option ? |
| 03:39.52 | elb | I dunno, I assumed it was just disabled by default, but I haven't seen a way to turn it on |
| 03:39.57 | elb | maybe it doesn't work on this tablet |
| 03:40.12 | LinuxCode | control-panel_display-leds |
| 03:41.07 | elb | nothing there about the light sensor |
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| 03:41.29 | smackpotato | http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ |
| 03:41.38 | LinuxCode | cheers |
| 03:41.52 | LinuxCode | got the forum link too ? |
| 03:41.53 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 03:42.22 | smackpotato | you need to be in redc pill mode fvor it to install |
| 03:42.35 | LinuxCode | how do i set it into red pill mode ? |
| 03:42.58 | smackpotato | open app manager |
| 03:43.18 | LinuxCode | k ..then ? |
| 03:43.45 | elb | LinuxCode: I am assuming you *do* have a light sensor setting in the display prefs? |
| 03:43.52 | LinuxCode | no mate |
| 03:44.02 | LinuxCode | just brightness and all |
| 03:44.06 | elb | ok |
| 03:44.08 | LinuxCode | juster wondered if yours was off |
| 03:44.16 | LinuxCode | hence akward behaviour |
| 03:44.22 | smackpotato | menue tools app cadalog |
| 03:44.31 | elb | I have my brightness set to the lowest setting |
| 03:44.33 | elb | I wonder if that's involved |
| 03:44.38 | LinuxCode | smackpotato, k |
| 03:44.44 | smackpotato | new |
| 03:44.49 | LinuxCode | ahh ok |
| 03:44.55 | LinuxCode | I did that manually in apt-get |
| 03:44.56 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 03:44.59 | LinuxCode | ok |
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| 03:45.13 | smackpotato | replace http\\ with matrix |
| 03:45.19 | LinuxCode | k |
| 03:45.24 | smackpotato | press cancel |
| 03:45.49 | smackpotato | press red pill |
| 03:46.05 | LinuxCode | lool |
| 03:46.09 | LinuxCode | thats pathetically funny |
| 03:46.13 | LinuxCode | which pill lol |
| 03:46.16 | LinuxCode | red/blue |
| 03:46.24 | elb | it totally is |
| 03:46.33 | elb | if I set the brightness to something higher, the light sensor does something |
| 03:46.41 | oil | what is the blue pill ? |
| 03:46.45 | smackpotato | dont forgetg to changbe itg back to blue pill aavter |
| 03:47.05 | smackpotato | blue pill is normal |
| 03:47.06 | oil | it will give a longer uptime for the tablet? ;) |
| 03:47.35 | elb | hah |
| 03:47.36 | oil | thanks. so it will disable the red pill mode? |
| 03:47.44 | elb | no, it just restricts some settings in the application manager |
| 03:47.52 | elb | or rather, red pill *un*restricts some settings |
| 03:47.52 | smackpotato | red pill,is exta pakages that can screw things |
| 03:47.54 | LinuxCode | smackpotato, k |
| 03:47.56 | LinuxCode | its installed |
| 03:47.58 | LinuxCode | thanks |
| 03:48.38 | smackpotato | you will have one last poor gps preformance |
| 03:48.51 | LinuxCode | gotta reboot huh ? |
| 03:49.02 | LinuxCode | I try it tomorrow |
| 03:49.03 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 03:49.07 | LinuxCode | I better got to bed |
| 03:49.14 | LinuxCode | I have a meeting at 11.30 |
| 03:49.18 | LinuxCode | its 3:49 |
| 03:49.19 | LinuxCode | ;- |
| 03:49.20 | LinuxCode | | |
| 03:49.21 | dieman | is there any good maemo developer primers? |
| 03:49.25 | dieman | heh |
| 03:49.30 | dieman | i just finished watchign superbowl etc |
| 03:49.37 | dieman | well, and doing work for oncall :| |
| 03:49.42 | oil | smackpotato: by installing only this one? http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb |
| 03:50.08 | LinuxCode | oil, yes |
| 03:50.12 | LinuxCode | the one is debug |
| 03:50.16 | LinuxCode | the other is the headers |
| 03:50.24 | smackpotato | cheers |
| 03:50.32 | LinuxCode | thanks smackpotato |
| 03:50.33 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
| 03:50.36 | oil | ok. great. I'll try that one as well. |
| 03:51.01 | LinuxCode | right I better swing my bum into bed |
| 03:51.07 | LinuxCode | maybe get 5 hours kip |
| 03:51.10 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 03:51.28 | oil | in asia we have a brand new day already :) |
| 03:52.11 | smackpotato | ya u guys always get,to bee first |
| 03:52.45 | oil | hmm.. ssh to the tablet is really handy.. but there is a disadvantage as well.. every now and then need to wonder around the house to look for the tablet :) |
| 03:53.05 | smackpotato | get two |
| 03:53.21 | oil | have already |
| 03:53.36 | smackpotato | hmmm |
| 03:54.22 | oil | smackpotato: what did you do to the gpsd? |
| 03:55.41 | smackpotato | ther is a link to the patch it is someone elses work. it was saving the wrong date |
| 03:55.50 | smackpotato | http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ |
| 03:57.00 | smackpotato | so,was acting as a cold start every time |
| 03:58.38 | LinuxCode | im off to bed guys |
| 03:58.41 | LinuxCode | nn all |
| 03:58.42 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 03:58.56 | LinuxCode | and thanks again for many good discussions and insigts |
| 03:58.58 | LinuxCode | +h |
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| 04:51.06 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 06:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | Do I want to reflash. :< |
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| 06:23.26 | hachi | I'm trying to ping my n810 on the network |
| 06:23.35 | hachi | looked at the address it believes it has, 10.8.0.12 |
| 06:23.47 | hachi | in a default setup does pinging it work? |
| 06:25.04 | oil | hachi: might be difficult to find people with default setup here :) Anyway I suppose it should work. |
| 06:25.53 | hachi | I'm trying it from many nodes on my network, none of them can ping it... and it can ping them just fine |
| 06:25.57 | hachi | bleh |
| 06:26.02 | hachi | lsmod doesn't show iptables as being loaded |
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| 06:27.13 | hachi | no rules in place... I see no filtering system in palce |
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| 06:28.37 | hachi | netstat -ln shows 0.0.0.0:22 listening just fine |
| 06:29.01 | hachi | nmap from another node says no reply when I do a TCP scan on 22 on the node manually |
| 06:29.35 | oil | and your netmask & default gw are ok as well? |
| 06:29.50 | hachi | my other machines on the network can't get an arp for the deivce |
| 06:30.26 | hachi | dhcp assigned netmask, gateway is irrelevant because of that fact |
| 06:33.51 | hachi | WTF, my laptop can't get arp requests to the device |
| 06:33.54 | hachi | something in the middle? |
| 06:34.01 | hachi | it's just wifi-to-wifi |
| 06:34.24 | hachi | I found one device that can, it's fine from there |
| 06:34.27 | hachi | a mac mini |
| 06:40.36 | SudoMakeMeSamich | heh |
| 06:40.56 | hachi | my ibm laptop finds it impossible to arp for the nokia |
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| 07:19.41 | Alendit | hi all |
| 07:24.48 | legind | hallo Alendit |
| 07:25.23 | Alendit | wanna test offline wikipedia? |
| 07:25.39 | Alendit | for n800 |
| 07:25.44 | Alendit | i need testers |
| 07:26.02 | Alendit | it works on my n800, but i have no clue if it will work for someone else ^^ |
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| 07:45.28 | braddbr | Alendit, is it easy to test? I will if i can do it fairly simply |
| 07:48.22 | Alendit | j0 |
| 07:48.24 | Alendit | was afk, sry |
| 07:48.39 | Alendit | read that http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html |
| 07:49.15 | Alendit | hope you'll not have too much difficulities with my english ^^ |
| 07:49.35 | pupnik | i see someone built gtk1.2 armels.. might be fun to try building 'dillo' web browser |
| 07:50.01 | BugBlue | Alendit: can't you build a torrent of those files? |
| 07:50.31 | Alendit | i could, but there not so many people who want to dl it |
| 07:50.42 | Alendit | and these file are quite old |
| 07:50.49 | Alendit | new ones will be build soon |
| 07:51.04 | solmumaha | pupnik: can you put that ja2 to your site? |
| 07:51.19 | solmumaha | and maybe announce it on itt? |
| 07:51.38 | pupnik | Sure |
| 07:51.43 | solmumaha | if it's not too much trouble |
| 07:53.16 | braddbr | ok, where do i put .ko files? |
| 07:53.27 | Alendit | it doesn't matter |
| 07:53.35 | braddbr | and i imagine I have to modprobe it before running the app? |
| 07:53.36 | Alendit | put it in your home folder or something |
| 07:53.44 | Alendit | no, modprobe doesn't work :( |
| 07:53.48 | Alendit | insmod + path |
| 07:53.49 | braddbr | oh |
| 07:53.52 | braddbr | ok |
| 07:53.59 | Alendit | modprobe is buggy in os2008 |
| 07:54.11 | Alendit | there no depmod |
| 07:54.11 | braddbr | ok to put it all on my memory card? |
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| 07:54.18 | Alendit | yes, sure |
| 07:54.32 | Alendit | then just insmod the file |
| 07:54.53 | braddbr | ok |
| 07:55.48 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/http://nakkiboso.com/ja2_0.7_svn.deb |
| 07:55.52 | pupnik | sorry |
| 07:55.59 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/ja2_0.7_svn.deb |
| 07:57.10 | braddbr | ok, alendit, what do i do with the .img file? |
| 07:57.32 | Alendit | mount -o loop -t squashfs {path-to-wiki-image}/wikipedia_de_april_mini.img /media/squashfs |
| 07:57.46 | Alendit | just save it somewhere and mount then |
| 07:59.06 | braddbr | ok, its mounted.. now what? |
| 07:59.32 | fysa | slick, Alendit |
| 07:59.44 | Alendit | hi |
| 08:00.12 | fysa | just reading your mokopedia deal |
| 08:00.43 | Alendit | sry for my english, it's the best i can ^^ |
| 08:01.10 | fysa | it all looks very good. thanks for your work! |
| 08:01.44 | fysa | maybe I should order the 32GB SD now ;) |
| 08:01.46 | Alendit | no probs, i always wanted to port it to n800, even as i didn't have it ^^ |
| 08:02.17 | Alendit | ^^ i heard new wikipedia image is in working, this one is almost 1 year old |
| 08:02.21 | fysa | have you benchmarked squashfs at all? |
| 08:02.30 | Alendit | it need a plenty of time though |
| 08:02.40 | Alendit | about 3 week |
| 08:02.42 | Alendit | no, i didn't |
| 08:03.25 | fysa | now that I think about it, someone mentioned that I/O is faster with higher CPU load (possibly due to processor scaling |
| 08:03.26 | fysa | ) |
| 08:03.39 | fysa | it's possible that squashfs would actually be faster because of that ;) |
| 08:03.49 | Alendit | yeah, i heard about this bug (?) |
| 08:04.09 | Alendit | but squashfs is fast enough for wiki now |
| 08:05.07 | fysa | I mean, the calculation required for squashfs compression may cause the CPU to scale higher sooner, making it faster than a 'normal' filesystem ;) |
| 08:05.49 | Alendit | would be funny ^^ |
| 08:06.02 | braddbr | Alendit: , maybe i will try again later when i find the depot for the libpcre* stuff |
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| 08:06.24 | Alendit | it's in maemo extras repo |
| 08:06.33 | Alendit | i'll post the link in article |
| 08:06.39 | braddbr | k |
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| 08:09.27 | Alendit | done |
| 08:09.44 | Alendit | add deb http://repostirory.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:09.48 | Alendit | and run apt-get update |
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| 08:10.11 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 08:12.07 | Alendit | strange, libpcre3 should be in normal maemo repository |
| 08:12.19 | Alendit | can you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:12.31 | Alendit | or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 08:12.44 | Alendit | hi, b0unc3 |
| 08:13.02 | braddbr | i am getting duplicates in apt-get update.. |
| 08:13.06 | florian | good morning |
| 08:14.21 | Alendit | it means you already have extras there |
| 08:14.37 | Alendit | sure, you can't install libpcre3 with apt-get? |
| 08:15.19 | hrw | morning |
| 08:15.29 | Alendit | hi, hrw |
| 08:16.55 | braddbr | apt-get install libpcre3 needs dependencies.. you figure apt-get would find these.. |
| 08:18.38 | Alendit | sry, i didn't understand that. libpcre3 need some dependencies and apt-get can't find them? |
| 08:20.25 | braddbr | apt-get install lighttpd says lighttpd : Depends: libcre3 (>=4.5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 08:20.52 | braddbr | apt-cache search libpcre3 shows that it exists |
| 08:21.53 | Alendit | do apt-get install libpcre3 |
| 08:22.15 | Alendit | and then install lighttpd with dpkg -i lighttpd.deb |
| 08:23.01 | braddbr | I did tthe apt-get and it still says 'lighttpd: Depends: libpcrecpp0 ....' .. and lighttpd isn't even on the apt-get command line.. |
| 08:25.15 | braddbr | does apt cache the packages for install? |
| 08:25.24 | Alendit | lighttpd isn't in repositories |
| 08:26.04 | Alendit | should download it, there the link in article |
| 08:26.33 | braddbr | gimme a minute |
| 08:28.02 | Alendit | i updated post and pasted commands to install dependencies |
| 08:28.13 | braddbr | i am going to reflash.. i did too much without understanding.. give me 5 mins to reinstall |
| 08:28.53 | Alendit | you don't really need it |
| 08:29.13 | Alendit | just copypaste the dependencies line |
| 08:30.57 | solmumaha | pupnik: thanks |
| 08:34.01 | pupnik | if you find pretter regions to screenshot please do so - i won't be able to test it for a while |
| 08:34.10 | pupnik | (no space on SD) |
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| 08:34.48 | hrw | someone have docs how to add locales, keyboard layouts to maemo? |
| 08:35.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:36.01 | pupnik | o/ |
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| 08:38.21 | pupnik | it's wonderful how 640x400 doubled dos games fit perfectly in the available non-fullscreen window space :) |
| 08:40.01 | SudoMakeMeSamich | acroheh |
| 08:40.09 | SudoMakeMeSamich | hmm |
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| 08:43.34 | Tama^2 | Anyone using big (>8Gb) sd cards? |
| 08:44.21 | tank-man | why do you ask Tama^2 ? |
| 08:44.22 | Tama^2 | I'm using 2x16Gb and would like to know if anyone else noticed they consume heaps of power |
| 08:45.54 | pupnik | that's a very interesting question |
| 08:46.51 | Alendit_ | braddbr, still here? |
| 08:47.00 | braddbr | yup, installing ssh |
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| 08:47.12 | tank-man | Tama^2, is that your situation now? you have 2x16 and your battery life is lower or are you just asking? |
| 08:47.15 | |tbb| | morning |
| 08:47.39 | Tama^2 | apparently even if I umount them and lock my n800 power isn't cut to the sd cards |
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| 08:48.07 | Tama^2 | yes lower, like 10 times lower in idle mode |
| 08:48.32 | Tama^2 | I have run some tests and writing up about it |
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| 08:49.21 | Tama^2 | but basically the punch line is that regardless of the mmcs being mounted or not when they are inserted I get x10 power consumption in dle mode |
| 08:49.58 | Tama^2 | offline mode, no app, not desktop applet, no metalayer crawler, no rss, no email |
| 08:50.15 | pupnik | is there a /proc entry i can cat for power consumption info? |
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| 08:50.36 | Tama^2 | you can indirectly see how much the battery is drained over time |
| 08:50.53 | Tama^2 | no amperage info available AFAIK |
| 08:52.17 | Tama^2 | On the bright side I found that in the above configuration *without* any sd card inserted the battery really lasts 10 days in idle mode |
| 08:52.23 | Tama^2 | not bad |
| 08:52.31 | fysa | http://www.randys.org/2007/11/16/how-to-automated-backups-to-amazon-s-s3-with-duplicity |
| 08:52.52 | fysa | S3 storage could be useful. |
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| 08:53.44 | braddbr | ok, fresh install :) what libs do i need to install Alendit_ ?? |
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| 08:55.39 | |tbb| | Tama^2: are you telling about n810 or n800 or both |
| 08:56.03 | pupnik | Tama^2: real time current consumption would be very interesting. If you find anything (proc or dbus) let us know |
| 08:56.14 | Tama^2 | I tested with an n800 |
| 08:56.24 | Tama^2 | ok pupnik :) |
| 08:56.58 | johnx | Tama^2, do you think the difference between SD cards might be related to metalayer-crawler? |
| 08:57.25 | johnx | nevermind |
| 08:57.30 | johnx | you already answered that |
| 08:57.42 | Tama^2 | johnx: that was my first bet and the reason I started testing... but it turns out that mt ot no mt makes no difference (after the indexing takes place) |
| 08:57.47 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 08:58.00 | Tama^2 | I will finish the writeup and paste the link in here |
| 08:58.06 | Tama^2 | at some stage... |
| 08:58.25 | johnx | Just thought of it because when I have my SD card with Debian in tn while OS2008 is running metalayer crawler goes crazy |
| 08:58.37 | |tbb| | Tama^2: do you have some symlinks to the cards? |
| 08:58.58 | Tama^2 | |tbb|: nope, and it happens even with the cards unmounted |
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| 08:59.12 | Tama^2 | again, the tests were run with and without metalayer crawler |
| 08:59.37 | Tama^2 | so the poor crawler is not to blame ... for once |
| 08:59.39 | Tama^2 | ;) |
| 09:00.44 | Tama^2 | johnx: it appears the crawler has a known bug with symlinks (the bug was fixed at some stage but then resurfaced in a later version in some different form) |
| 09:00.51 | johnx | nice |
| 09:00.55 | johnx | that would make sense |
| 09:01.01 | Tama^2 | johnx: I was reading about it on bugzilla today... |
| 09:01.03 | Alendit_ | braddbr, sry was afk |
| 09:01.14 | braddbr | s'ok |
| 09:01.17 | Alendit_ | copy&paste the line with dependecies |
| 09:01.21 | |tbb| | how to stop crawler, do it have a stop command? or just killing it |
| 09:01.23 | fysa | maybe I could store my music collection at S3, and then mount it from the N800 ;) |
| 09:01.24 | johnx | the best part is that I'm having issues with trackerd (another indexing system) on my desktop ubuntu box |
| 09:01.32 | johnx | no matter where I go I can't escape O_o |
| 09:01.39 | Alendit_ | apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0 perl perl-modules |
| 09:01.43 | fysa | That would be $15 per month for 100GB. |
| 09:02.02 | johnx | |tbb|, as root, /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop |
| 09:02.06 | johnx | (or something like that) |
| 09:02.14 | braddbr | ok, sources.list is empty.. sources.list.d/hildon... has deb http://repository.maemo.org/extra/ chinook free non-free |
| 09:02.36 | braddbr | i did a apt-get update.. apt-cache search libpcre3 finds nothing.. |
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| 09:02.56 | Tama^2 | |tbb|: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop |
| 09:03.09 | Alendit_ | wait |
| 09:03.44 | Alendit_ | add deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 09:03.55 | Alendit_ | to sources.list |
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| 09:05.05 | braddbr | ok, updating.. what is the diff between sources.list and the files in sources.list.d?? |
| 09:05.34 | Alendit_ | sources.list.d is a directory |
| 09:05.52 | Alendit_ | all listes in source.list.d are quite the same as sources.list |
| 09:05.59 | braddbr | ok |
| 09:06.16 | braddbr | does application-manager use only sources.list.d/* ?? |
| 09:06.29 | Alendit_ | no, also sources.list |
| 09:06.34 | Alendit_ | i think |
| 09:06.34 | braddbr | ok |
| 09:06.39 | Alendit_ | quite sure |
| 09:07.16 | hrw | guys: is it "normal" that n810 does not want to start when charged to full? |
| 09:07.40 | hrw | braddbr: sources.list and sources.list.d/ entries are both correct |
| 09:07.46 | hrw | braddbr: APT use both |
| 09:08.26 | hrw | and application-manager do not use 'sources.list' but it use APT (and APT use sources lists) |
| 09:08.33 | Alendit_ | yeah, and since app manager is only a apt backend (i think) it should also use both |
| 09:08.43 | Alendit_ | oh, didn't know tha |
| 09:08.46 | Alendit_ | t |
| 09:09.12 | hrw | but I do not know does it edit sources.list directly or handle it via APT |
| 09:10.22 | braddbr | ok, dpkg -i lightttpd seems to set something in the apt-get stuff.. i did dpkg -i lighttpd.. its said libbz2 was a dependancy.. so i apt-get install libbz2.. it says replaced by bzip2.. so i did 'apt-get install bzip2' and that apt-get says 'lighttpd: Depends: libbz2...' |
| 09:10.36 | hrw | jesus... |
| 09:10.45 | hrw | why not simple 'apt-get install lightttpd'? |
| 09:10.58 | Alendit_ | cause there no lighttpd in repos |
| 09:11.01 | hrw | I know that maemo suxx when it comes to repositories but |
| 09:11.05 | Alendit_ | do apt-get -f install |
| 09:11.09 | braddbr | well i was using the version Alendit_ posted.. |
| 09:11.30 | hrw | rumours say that os2011 will have feeds done right |
| 09:11.31 | braddbr | ok, i got it :) |
| 09:11.32 | Alendit_ | or i should say, i didn't find any lighttpd in repos |
| 09:11.46 | |tbb| | does the crawler runs (eat cpu power) while display is off and in flight mode? |
| 09:12.09 | |tbb| | Aendit_ do you got some screenshoots about mokopedia on n8x0 |
| 09:12.32 | Alendit_ | mom, there are a screen cast (not from me) |
| 09:12.40 | Alendit_ | mom = moment |
| 09:13.11 | Alendit_ | http://www.rabenfrost.net/mokopedia_demo2.ogg |
| 09:13.14 | Tama^2 | |tbb|: it runs but does not necessarily use too much of your CPU |
| 09:13.19 | braddbr | Alendit_: lighttpd did not install a /etc/lighttpd.conf |
| 09:13.28 | Alendit_ | i know |
| 09:13.35 | Alendit_ | it's in mokopedia.tar.gz |
| 09:13.40 | braddbr | ok |
| 09:13.48 | Alendit_ | just make tar xvf moko* -C / |
| 09:14.55 | Tama^2 | I think my media library is to HUGE for canola Beta2 |
| 09:15.09 | Tama^2 | it reboots the device O.o |
| 09:15.13 | |tbb| | how does it look like on n810, fullscreen or 240px width? |
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| 09:23.24 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:24.49 | braddbr | Alendit_: I get mokopedia home page.. i added the small .img.. /media/squashfs/a/* exists, but when i search for 'a' nothing shows up |
| 09:26.03 | Alendit_ | strange, let me think |
| 09:26.44 | Alendit_ | |tbb| sry, i'm not registered |
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| 09:28.07 | braddbr | maybe permission problems? |
| 09:28.28 | Alendit | you need only read permission |
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| 09:33.13 | massoud | hi there |
| 09:34.01 | Alendit_ | braddbr, hey still there? |
| 09:35.14 | braddbr | yeah.. i was looking at lightppd log.. i get /../../: No such file or directory at /src/www/htdocs/wiwk/mokopedia.cga line 110.. maybe i started lighttpd in the wrong dir? |
| 09:35.41 | braddbr | wiwk=wiki* |
| 09:35.52 | Alendit_ | cga = cgi? |
| 09:36.04 | braddbr | yup, sorry |
| 09:36.22 | Alendit_ | it should be srv/www |
| 09:36.43 | Alendit_ | do you have src? |
| 09:37.56 | braddbr | i have the cgi script.. |
| 09:38.29 | Alendit_ | do you have /srv/www/ directory? |
| 09:38.37 | braddbr | yup |
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| 09:39.25 | Alendit_ | wait a minute |
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| 09:39.40 | |tbb| | anyone knows how many watts or milliwatts a n770 will consume while its on 100% cpu and display on, was this checked before? |
| 09:41.04 | Alendit_ | test image is corrupt |
| 09:41.08 | Alendit_ | my fault |
| 09:41.13 | Alendit_ | i'll upload new one |
| 09:41.18 | braddbr | ok |
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| 09:47.31 | Alendit_ | braddbr, have some probs uploading it to box |
| 09:47.58 | braddbr | ok, just use my nic 'braddbr' when you are ready so i can hear the 'click' |
| 09:48.19 | Alendit_ | ok |
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| 09:56.27 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/04/nokia-n810-and-fscked-charging-subsystem/ |
| 09:57.01 | Alendit_ | braddbr, done |
| 09:57.11 | braddbr | k |
| 09:57.12 | Alendit_ | should work now |
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| 10:00.29 | solmumaha | hrw: still doesn't start? |
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| 10:04.39 | hrw | solmumaha: yep |
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| 10:08.01 | Alendit_ | braddbr, does it work? |
| 10:10.01 | braddbr | nope :( search for 'aaa' results (in /var/log/lighttpd/errors.log) can't opendir /media/squashfs/a/a/a/: No such file or directory |
| 10:10.41 | Alendit_ | do ls /meedia/squashfs/a/a |
| 10:10.45 | Alendit_ | *media |
| 10:11.23 | braddbr | no directories, only files 'AAA', 'AAAA' ... and there is a links.list |
| 10:11.36 | Alendit_ | sure you use the new image? |
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| 10:12.17 | braddbr | did a tar xf mokopedia.tar -C / |
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| 10:12.32 | Alendit_ | i mean the test.img |
| 10:12.38 | braddbr | ohhh... |
| 10:12.42 | braddbr | no :) |
| 10:12.45 | Alendit_ | ^^ |
| 10:12.47 | Alendit_ | redownload it |
| 10:12.52 | solmumaha | hrw: sounds to me something is broken |
| 10:13.09 | solmumaha | it should start if you plug in the charger |
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| 10:15.06 | braddbr | Alendit_: werks :) (well i tried 'aa' and 'aaa') |
| 10:15.33 | Alendit_ | ^^ |
| 10:15.54 | Alendit_ | now you can dl real wikipedia image and just mount it |
| 10:16.13 | braddbr | when i get a bigger SD card :) |
| 10:16.27 | Alendit_ | yo |
| 10:16.29 | braddbr | btw, whats the biggest SD a n800 will support? |
| 10:16.49 | Alendit_ | you should start lighttpd, insert squashfs module and mount image on every start |
| 10:16.55 | Alendit_ | 8gb i think |
| 10:17.07 | Alendit_ | but i don't see why a 16gb shouldn't work |
| 10:17.54 | braddbr | its a nice little app. is this the first version? |
| 10:18.21 | Alendit_ | yes |
| 10:18.39 | braddbr | awesome |
| 10:18.39 | Alendit_ | i'll contact the developer and ask him if i can help develop it |
| 10:18.41 | braddbr | good work |
| 10:18.51 | Alendit_ | not sure he still work on it |
| 10:18.54 | Alendit_ | it's not mine |
| 10:18.57 | Alendit_ | i just ported it |
| 10:18.59 | braddbr | oh |
| 10:19.15 | braddbr | well, its another app to add to the repo (when you get the .deb files working good) |
| 10:19.23 | Alendit_ | yes |
| 10:20.21 | braddbr | well off to the other virtual desktop.. |
| 10:21.04 | Alendit_ | cya |
| 10:21.35 | Alendit_ | oh wait |
| 10:21.57 | Alendit_ | ah, nevermind :) |
| 10:25.18 | lardman | morning all |
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| 10:26.08 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 10:28.41 | lardman | me is impressed with Ubuntu, except that grub had to be manually installed, and it still doesn't have a clue about multi-head setup or indeed remembering the one working screen's res and freq settings |
| 10:28.53 | lardman | me should type a / |
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| 10:32.28 | Alendit_ | does anyone know how i can insmod on startup? |
| 10:33.01 | lardman | rc.d |
| 10:33.16 | Alendit_ | ok, thx |
| 10:36.20 | ccooke | lardman: ... manually install grub? that doesn't sound like Ubuntu - unless you're using an odd install method |
| 10:36.33 | pupnik | greets lardman |
| 10:37.16 | lardman | hi pupnik |
| 10:37.23 | lardman | ccooke: it tried to install it and failed |
| 10:38.05 | pupnik | lardman http://pupnik.de/newvox is a cute sdl demo (voxels) - will be very fast soon in full 800x480 |
| 10:38.14 | lardman | ccooke: I've no idea where it tried installing it for that matter. I've got sda, sdb and an hda, I wonder if it thought that hda was first in the boot order while it's actually last |
| 10:38.23 | pupnik | and so tiny :) 8780 Feb 3 19:48 newvox |
| 10:38.52 | lardman | pupnik: I'll have a look in a minute :) |
| 10:39.19 | lardman | I can't believe Linux still has troubles with multihead though |
| 10:39.31 | ccooke | lardman: that's not a big problem in Ubuntu anymore |
| 10:39.38 | ccooke | although it's not as good as it *will* be |
| 10:39.49 | lardman | but it is! I installed it yesterday and it doesn't work ;) |
| 10:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's hard to believe Linux still has troubles with a lot of things. |
| 10:40.17 | ccooke | lardman: System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics |
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| 10:40.46 | ccooke | (next release, when it goes live, *should* be automatically configured for multicast as soon as you plug the monitor in on most cards) |
| 10:41.15 | lardman | yep, everytime I boot it doesn't remember the settings, and when I go to enable the extra screens it kills the xserver and either doesn't come back (alt-ctl-back space job) or just screws up the main screen res and doesn't enable the other screens |
| 10:42.02 | ccooke | What version are you running? |
| 10:42.04 | lardman | perhaps I have something strange - 7900gtx w/ single main screen, 7300gs with two additional screens |
| 10:42.10 | lardman | 7.10 iirc |
| 10:42.38 | johnx | lardman, are you using nvidia drivers or nv? |
| 10:42.52 | ccooke | lardman: that's well outside the curve, yes. Are you using the nvidia... what johnx said :-) |
| 10:43.52 | lardman | johnx: nvidia |
| 10:44.04 | lardman | so unsupported of course |
| 10:44.22 | lardman | but still, it shouldn't really matter as we're just talking about xorg.conf here |
| 10:44.24 | johnx | unsupported? you turned it on with Ubuntu's little "restricted driver manager" right? |
| 10:44.28 | lardman | yep |
| 10:44.32 | johnx | ok |
| 10:45.06 | johnx | ah, so you said it forgets the settings? |
| 10:45.13 | johnx | did you use nvidia's little control panel? |
| 10:45.33 | lardman | Another minor annoyance, should the Display & Screens applet actually work, is that is appears each card has to run/serve a separate Xserver. I.e. It says I can have a separate one on the 7300, but can't be the same as the 7900 |
| 10:45.51 | ccooke | lardman: That's the way t works, yes |
| 10:46.05 | lardman | johnx: I just found that, yes I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to hold the changes |
| 10:46.27 | lardman | johnx: it can see all the monitors, etc, but the conf file it writes doesn't actually contain them |
| 10:46.30 | johnx | right, it gets run as user by default and it doesn't seem to have the good sense to complain that it can't write the changes to xorg.conf |
| 10:46.50 | lardman | yeah, I wondered about that; it complains about not being able to open a gtk window when run as root |
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| 10:46.58 | johnx | gksu nvidia-settings |
| 10:47.24 | lardman | ah, thanks :) |
| 10:47.37 | johnx | took me long enough to figure WTH it was up to ... |
| 10:47.40 | lardman | and yes, the built in applet seems to forget the monitor res and/or freq |
| 10:47.55 | johnx | yeah, I don't like that thing |
| 10:48.08 | johnx | every time I run it, it breaks my *very simple* setup |
| 10:48.26 | lardman | now the interesting thing is that after lots of effort I had a nice working 3 screen, single xserver setup on my Mandrakiva |
| 10:48.41 | lardman | but I obviously forgot to save the xorg.conf |
| 10:49.01 | lardman | and Ubuntu doesn't seem to offer to span a single xserver over more than one card |
| 10:49.05 | lardman | strange (imo) |
| 10:49.06 | johnx | do you remember if it was with twinview, xinerama or seperate x screens? |
| 10:49.23 | lardman | yeah, this is where my terminology gets lost |
| 10:49.34 | lardman | not xinerama - didn't maximise across screens |
| 10:49.47 | johnx | ah twinview maximizes across screens |
| 10:49.50 | johnx | xinerama doesn't |
| 10:49.50 | lardman | probably a twinview style thing, but with 3 screens, all the same xserver |
| 10:49.57 | lardman | ah, other way round then |
| 10:50.12 | johnx | can someone correct me if I'm wrong here? I was under the impression that multihead was always *one x server* |
| 10:50.28 | lardman | you can have a single xserver for each screen |
| 10:50.36 | johnx | and that in fact there is no good, simple way to have two x servers on two seperate VTs running |
| 10:50.37 | lardman | "start menu" on each window |
| 10:50.43 | johnx | lardman, right |
| 10:50.50 | johnx | that's multiple "screens" on one x server |
| 10:51.01 | johnx | if I understand correctly |
| 10:51.12 | lardman | hmm, the screens can't interact |
| 10:51.21 | lardman | no copying across screens, etc. |
| 10:51.26 | johnx | sounds right |
| 10:51.34 | johnx | but: ps auxc | grep Xorg |
| 10:52.02 | lardman | the display applet talks about a separate xserver for my second card, was why I thought that was true |
| 10:52.11 | lardman | johnx: at work atm |
| 10:52.11 | johnx | hmm |
| 10:52.16 | johnx | ah |
| 10:53.01 | lardman | I wonder if my multiscreen wonderfulness was a specific setting on the nvidia driver, I seem to remember there being some |
| 10:54.00 | johnx | honestly, I would read a howto and craft an xorg.conf by hand. I think we're still 1 or 2 Linux releases away from completely automagic handling of arbitrary multi-monitor setups... |
| 10:54.32 | johnx | the display applet is only talking to me about a "secondary screen" |
| 10:54.36 | johnx | nothing about x servers |
| 10:54.37 | lardman | I know, that's what I did last time (was ~3 years ago though), just a bit disappointed that things haven't moved on yet |
| 10:54.45 | johnx | me too :( |
| 10:54.46 | lardman | do you have 2 cards? |
| 10:54.49 | johnx | one card |
| 10:54.55 | johnx | a lowly geforce 6600 |
| 10:55.18 | johnx | which is just fine for me :) |
| 10:55.21 | lardman | yeah, it asks me about a second screen (which it may think is on the second output of my first card - but it has no monitor), then asks about a second card & xserver |
| 10:55.44 | johnx | aaaah |
| 10:55.45 | johnx | ok |
| 10:55.46 | johnx | hmm |
| 10:55.59 | lardman | I used to have 2 screens, needed more space |
| 10:56.00 | lardman | :) |
| 10:56.17 | lardman | I think the applet is getting confused |
| 10:56.23 | lardman | Last question... |
| 10:56.26 | johnx | sure |
| 10:56.34 | lardman | where is the current screen res & freq stored? |
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| 10:56.52 | lardman | xorg.conf saves multiple possibilities, but does it save the chosen one? |
| 10:56.52 | johnx | the current screen res? |
| 10:56.59 | Alendit_ | are all files in rcx.d executed on runlevel x? |
| 10:57.32 | johnx | Alendit_, all files beginning with Snn (where nn is between 01 and 99) are executed as long as they're executable |
| 10:57.41 | Alendit_ | kk |
| 10:57.46 | johnx | AFAIK :) |
| 10:58.11 | johnx | lardman, it chooses the default based on what's first in the list of Modes |
| 10:58.25 | johnx | and the current one isn't saved at least I don't think it is |
| 10:58.25 | lardman | ah, ok, I'll do some tweaking there then |
| 10:58.36 | johnx | yeah, I need to fix my setup too |
| 10:58.48 | lardman | ok, one more question ;) |
| 10:58.52 | johnx | heh |
| 10:58.53 | johnx | go for it |
| 10:59.03 | lardman | how does one generate the random numbers for the screen res/freqs? |
| 10:59.13 | lardman | well I'm sure they're not random - modelines |
| 10:59.16 | johnx | gah |
| 10:59.26 | johnx | find a modeline generator |
| 10:59.38 | lardman | yep, Google has sorted that out |
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| 10:59.44 | lardman | thanks |
| 11:00.04 | johnx | if you can't find a modeline generator settle down for a couple weeks of research about how CRTs work |
| 11:00.22 | johnx | me too |
| 11:00.23 | lardman | johnx: :( |
| 11:00.33 | johnx | but I prefer Linux's error messages when things don't work |
| 11:00.42 | johnx | never again |
| 11:00.50 | lardman | oh yes, I prefer Linux in general, just some little (annoying things) :) |
| 11:01.44 | johnx | the two monitor, no hotpluging setup is fine at least |
| 11:02.11 | johnx | too bad I don't want to waste CPU/GPU/RAM on drawing to my TV when it's off |
| 11:02.26 | lardman | never looks good on a tv out |
| 11:02.40 | johnx | looks fine here, except my TV is horrible |
| 11:02.42 | lardman | but I suppose LCD tvs may be better |
| 11:03.02 | glass_ | if it's clone mode to tv it shouldn't really take cpu/gpu/ram |
| 11:03.25 | glass_ | lcd tv's are better off run through dvi. looks heaps better, doh. |
| 11:03.27 | johnx | glass_, the max res the nvidia card wants to run for TV out is 1024x768 ... |
| 11:03.39 | glass_ | johnx: well the real reso with tv out is 720x480 or so |
| 11:03.43 | glass_ | it just samples it |
| 11:04.02 | lardman | may be why my one looked nasty |
| 11:04.11 | glass_ | yeah |
| 11:04.20 | lardman | was an old card, probably rubbish sampling |
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| 11:04.22 | glass_ | like, it can't overdrive svideo or composite... |
| 11:04.23 | johnx | lardman, standard TV resolution is just horrible is all :) |
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| 11:04.30 | glass_ | yeah |
| 11:04.32 | lardman | esp if you're American ;) |
| 11:04.48 | glass_ | 720x480 is the optimum reso about if you can create custom resolutions |
| 11:05.12 | johnx | yeah, but my nvidia card won't agree to have the "native X11 resolution" for the TV out head be anything more than 1024x768 (I think) |
| 11:05.21 | johnx | so clone is kind of a non-starter... |
| 11:05.34 | johnx | what I need is some clever metamodes... |
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| 11:06.16 | glass_ | windows side i just use the "overlay to tv" thing |
| 11:06.17 | lardman | all this fiddling is the kind of thing that stops me doing useful work :) |
| 11:06.26 | johnx | :) |
| 11:06.31 | glass_ | it zooms the overlays to a properish tv res(720x480) into the tvout |
| 11:06.48 | lardman | windows drivers have more love me thinks |
| 11:06.54 | glass_ | because tv is rubbish for anything else than videos anyhow |
| 11:07.00 | glass_ | yeah probably |
| 11:07.20 | glass_ | mostly i just play vids with xbox tho to be honest |
| 11:08.11 | johnx | yeah...I used to have an older athlon as a dedicated media center but a smaller apartment meant some consolidation |
| 11:08.17 | lardman | I've got a "showcenter" for that |
| 11:10.15 | lardman | anyway, thanks for your help chaps |
| 11:10.16 | X-Fade | Hehe, I finally received a correct NL version N810 :) |
| 11:10.30 | glass_ | old xboxes are great media centers |
| 11:10.33 | glass_ | when modded |
| 11:10.38 | glass_ | too bad they lack power for hd |
| 11:11.11 | johnx | glass_, yeah HD plays great here...gets nicely downscaled to 740x480 :) |
| 11:11.13 | glass_ | and too bad the network chip broke in mine.. only works in 10mbit and only when passed through a 10mbit hub connected to a switch..(yeah it's freaky) |
| 11:11.29 | glass_ | i just got a regular tv so i don't care about hd yet that much |
| 11:11.30 | johnx | network problems tend to be that way... |
| 11:11.47 | glass_ | the chips have a habit of breaking |
| 11:12.06 | glass_ | 10mbit is enough to play most stuff over the network |
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| 11:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | HD on the computer is the way to do it. |
| 11:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | Tuners are a dime a dozen. |
| 11:14.47 | lardman | what do you tune into though? |
| 11:14.54 | GeneralAntilles | ClearQAM/ATSC |
| 11:14.59 | lardman | do you have HD broadcast for free in the US? |
| 11:15.10 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 11:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | All OTA stuff is gonna be digital in 2009. |
| 11:15.33 | lardman | ah, fair enough |
| 11:15.44 | lardman | need to pay for satellite/cable here to get HD |
| 11:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically PBS/FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC |
| 11:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | plus a few random other channels. |
| 11:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just fine for me. |
| 11:16.22 | GnutoN810 | ye |
| 11:16.28 | GnutoN810 | bye |
| 11:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | I get it from the unencrypted QAM from the cable company, though. |
| 11:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | Little easier than fiddling with an antenna. |
| 11:19.56 | lardman | I emailed a chap at Nokia (from the headers) about the GPS data files, but no reply |
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| 11:22.50 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't disturbing to think about what could be done with these things if the platform were completely open? :( |
| 11:23.13 | lardman | very much so, but it might cost more to make then |
| 11:23.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, all the freaking time :( |
| 11:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | When are all the dinosaurs at TI gonna die off so their open their ish up? |
| 11:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | s/their/they/ |
| 11:24.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, don't hold out for that. Sharp killed off the zaurus line long ago, and buried the source for lots of stuff with it |
| 11:24.23 | lardman | Imgtech is of more interest |
| 11:24.39 | lardman | the PowerVR is probably the biggest unused feature |
| 11:24.51 | lardman | s/biggest/coolest |
| 11:24.59 | ccooke | johnx: "Long" ago? They only killed it last year... |
| 11:25.25 | johnx | ccooke, well they've seemingly been trying to kill it since ~2003 or so... |
| 11:25.40 | johnx | but I was referring to the US Zauruses, like the 5500 and 5600 |
| 11:25.59 | johnx | lardman, heh...in the long term though the battery charing stuff will be the "most wanted" feature I think |
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| 11:26.21 | ccooke | johnx: no, not really. It's just that you or I weren't their customers - they wanted to sell to Japanese people who wanted an easy-to-use device that was more than a dictionary |
| 11:26.39 | ccooke | (have you seen the number of electronic dictionaries on sale in Japan?) |
| 11:26.49 | johnx | ccooke, yes :) |
| 11:27.18 | johnx | ccooke, did you have a zaurus at one point or another? |
| 11:27.37 | ccooke | johnx: the Zaurus fit into the product lines there as a "top of the range" thing. Problem was, they didn't make the interface as nice as the competition... |
| 11:27.45 | Khertan | #debsums -s dpkg |
| 11:27.45 | Khertan | debsums: checksum mismatch dpkg file /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 11:27.46 | johnx | right |
| 11:27.48 | Lynoure | I can understand a need for a PIM... it seems the internet tablet cannot yet unfortunately replace one. |
| 11:27.49 | Khertan | nice firmware |
| 11:27.51 | johnx | I understand that |
| 11:28.00 | ccooke | I had a C750, C860, C3100 and a C3200. |
| 11:28.10 | johnx | ah |
| 11:28.27 | ccooke | and I bought the N810 as a next-closest-model upgrade :-) |
| 11:28.49 | solmumaha | for me n800 was everything zaurus never was, but i had only collie |
| 11:29.09 | johnx | Sharp's "community outreach" for the 5500/5600 consisted of closing their official forum without warning and a complete lack of communication |
| 11:29.11 | solmumaha | zaurus was lacking in hardware so it was only a toy imo |
| 11:29.52 | johnx | solmumaha, it had plenty of hardware...it was always a problem of getting a critical mass of developers |
| 11:29.52 | lardman | it was a pretty cool toy at the time |
| 11:29.56 | ccooke | solmumaha: ... you know the zaurus was more powerful than the N8x0 by quite a margin, right? |
| 11:30.08 | johnx | ccooke, not the 5500... |
| 11:30.10 | solmumaha | i only had sl-5500 |
| 11:30.10 | lardman | hmm, how do? |
| 11:30.18 | ccooke | with a better keyboard, more expansion than the n800... |
| 11:30.20 | glass_ | that sl-5500 was pretty powerful for it's time |
| 11:30.30 | johnx | it really was |
| 11:30.35 | glass_ | opera with zooming with it was awesome coupled with the first gprs phones |
| 11:30.36 | johnx | I loved mine too |
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| 11:30.47 | ccooke | solmumaha: ahh. But you can't compare a - what? four? five? - year old palmtop with a new one :-) |
| 11:30.55 | lardman | ccooke: but not in terms of the hardware then, built in BT, GPS, WiFi |
| 11:31.06 | solmumaha | yes, a normal upgrade cycle |
| 11:31.10 | glass_ | my bro had(has) a sd bt |
| 11:31.12 | lardman | The built-in wifi was the big thing for me, dsp was added bonus |
| 11:31.40 | lardman | glass_: sdio wasn't hooked up on the Zaurus iirc |
| 11:31.41 | ccooke | lardman: The n8x0 isn't anything like as good at video/audio as the later Zaurii, unfortunately. |
| 11:31.50 | glass_ | lardman: it is |
| 11:31.54 | solmumaha | how many models had bluetooth/wlan built-in? |
| 11:31.55 | lardman | ccooke: what spec were the later ones then? |
| 11:31.57 | ccooke | lardman: it was, but the driver never got into the standard kernels |
| 11:32.33 | lardman | ccooke: oh right, the other issue was the lack of drivers for the SD IO cards iirc |
| 11:32.35 | johnx | lardman, 416MHz xscale / 64MB RAM / 6GB microdrive / CF slot / sd slot |
| 11:32.48 | ccooke | lardman: 64meg RAM, built in 6GHDD, 416Mhz arm-based processor, with video players that could clock it up on demand to 620Mhz, IIRC... |
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| 11:32.49 | Khertan | ccooke > the later zaurus ? it was only a 416Mhz XScale |
| 11:33.06 | Khertan | and this is the same proc as Palm TX ... |
| 11:33.08 | lardman | johnx: shouldn't really be better for audio/video then, though XorA did a good job with mplayer |
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| 11:33.23 | Khertan | at 612Mhz it was ok for 320*480 video ... |
| 11:33.33 | ccooke | Khertan: my last two Zaurii (C3100 and C3200) could play 640x480 video that I used on my TV. |
| 11:33.34 | Khertan | but it s the limit |
| 11:33.41 | lardman | johnx: should have been aimed at ccooke, sorry |
| 11:33.44 | johnx | and without software and marketing and community outreach that awesome hardware got sharp nothing |
| 11:33.45 | ccooke | not re-encoded. |
| 11:33.50 | Khertan | so at 640x480 ... they should be drop frame |
| 11:34.05 | ccooke | Khertan: not enough to be noticable |
| 11:34.06 | lardman | they have video acceleration too iirc |
| 11:34.10 | ccooke | yeah |
| 11:34.15 | Khertan | lardman > ok ... |
| 11:34.23 | ccooke | the n8x0 could do about as well, if it had acceleration working |
| 11:34.34 | solmumaha | well i don't miss my collie after n800 |
| 11:34.38 | lardman | indeed, bring on the IVA.... |
| 11:34.49 | johnx | collie was great for PIM stuff |
| 11:35.04 | johnx | I still have mine sitting herer..but it won't turn on right now :( |
| 11:35.22 | ccooke | (don't get me wrong - the n8x0 is a better device. It has better networking, a vastly better browser and screen, lovely speakers and great battery life. But it's not all positive :-) |
| 11:35.24 | lardman | yeah, my batteries all died |
| 11:35.51 | johnx | ccooke, yeah. I really wish I could mix and match features from all my Linux handhelds |
| 11:35.54 | lardman | ccooke: of course, and don't get me wrong, I had a 5500 and sl750 |
| 11:36.00 | johnx | lardman, I think mine must have too |
| 11:36.06 | johnx | I was just using it earlier today ... |
| 11:37.31 | solmumaha | i tried to offer my collie to freebsd-arm project |
| 11:37.48 | ccooke | (Still - I haven't yet seen a palmtop as good for heavy use as the Psion 5mx I used to have ;-) |
| 11:37.54 | lardman | hear hear |
| 11:38.07 | lardman | I was using mine yesterday for scrabble |
| 11:38.17 | ccooke | heh. Mine both have cracked screens |
| 11:38.21 | johnx | I kind of want one of those to complete my collection |
| 11:38.21 | lardman | that's the size I'd like to see now |
| 11:38.28 | lardman | backlight's gone on mine |
| 11:38.29 | ccooke | one terminally dead, one with just the touchscreen broken |
| 11:38.29 | johnx | that and an IBM z50 workpad |
| 11:40.20 | braddbr | to compile in scratchbox, can i simply 'sb-conf select CHINOOK-ARMEL' then build the app, then copy it to my nokia and execute it to test it on the tablet? |
| 11:40.36 | johnx | yup |
| 11:40.44 | braddbr | ok, thanks |
| 11:44.53 | pupnik | booo 27fps |
| 11:47.08 | braddbr | a quick question.. how can i setup inside my scratchbox environment to use debian's eth0 interface and ip_address (so I can scp or ftp to my tablet) |
| 11:47.59 | johnx | I think i could scp out of scratchbox without any additional settings |
| 11:48.05 | johnx | did you try it yet? |
| 11:48.18 | braddbr | yup, it tells me 'no route to host' |
| 11:49.12 | johnx | interesting |
| 11:49.36 | johnx | but it can get out on the internet and do an apt-get update, right? |
| 11:49.55 | braddbr | oh, you mean scp the other way.. i didn't try that.. |
| 11:50.05 | johnx | hmm? |
| 11:50.10 | braddbr | i was scp'ing from insdie scratchbox |
| 11:50.19 | braddbr | inside* |
| 11:50.23 | johnx | right...which should work |
| 11:50.42 | johnx | and I was asking "Does apt-get update work in scratchbox?" |
| 11:50.51 | johnx | as in does any networking stuff work inside it? |
| 11:51.05 | braddbr | scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set is what I get |
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| 11:51.09 | florian | johnx: yes it does |
| 11:51.23 | johnx | florian, I was asking braddbr :P |
| 11:51.42 | braddbr | (i'm as CHINOOK_ARMEL target) |
| 11:52.13 | johnx | hmm |
| 11:53.08 | florian | johnx: ok, don't worry... I take that back and mention that I can't help you ;) |
| 11:53.34 | braddbr | well apt-get update works fine as CHINOOK_X86 target.. trying scp.. |
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| 11:55.03 | braddbr | ok, scp works in X86 mode |
| 11:55.39 | johnx | I don't know what causes that other error message but other people seem to have had that problem too |
| 11:55.47 | johnx | I don't have it, so I don't know what it is |
| 11:55.48 | johnx | sorry |
| 11:56.21 | braddbr | ok, another question if you know, chmod a+x test (which is my ARMEL-compiled file) will not set execute permissions.. |
| 11:56.35 | braddbr | can i execute this from a ssh'd session to my tablet? |
| 11:57.14 | johnx | you mean, can you copy test to the tablet, then ssh to the tablet and run test? yes |
| 11:57.30 | lardman | can't set permissions on the IT or in scratchbox? |
| 11:57.42 | braddbr | ok, i did that.. but on the tablet i can't set execute for test |
| 11:57.49 | lardman | you know the SD/MMC/whatever they are these days cards have no execute permissions |
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| 11:57.52 | braddbr | (its on /media/mmc2) |
| 11:57.58 | pupnik | locked up vi here lol |
| 11:57.58 | braddbr | ohh |
| 11:58.04 | johnx | aaah |
| 11:58.13 | johnx | good guess lardman :D |
| 11:58.23 | lardman | not a guess, a know :) |
| 11:58.48 | braddbr | so what good is a SD card if i can't execute from it? |
| 11:59.02 | lardman | for storing things? |
| 11:59.10 | lardman | you could always remount the card |
| 11:59.12 | johnx | braddbr, it's not the card, it's the filesystem |
| 11:59.24 | braddbr | oh ok |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | no it's the mount options |
| 11:59.25 | johnx | or rather, it's the options the filesystem is mounted with |
| 11:59.49 | lardman | braddbr: I just tend to sftp to /home/user |
| 12:00.05 | braddbr | ok, i'll do that for now then.. thank you |
| 12:01.26 | braddbr | woot! my first app 'draw 1000 random squares' works.. thanks for the help guys |
| 12:02.21 | johnx | yay! |
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| 12:05.19 | lardman | pupnik: what does newvox actually do? Pretty picture but no movement I can see |
| 12:06.20 | pupnik | hit dpad |
| 12:06.20 | lardman | ah |
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| 12:06.20 | lardman | cool :) |
| 12:06.50 | pupnik | after 1993 when comanche was released, a ton of people wrote voxel (heightmap) demos. this is the best one i found |
| 12:07.31 | Alendit_ | braddbr, i packaged mokopedia stuff, it's lot easier to install now |
| 12:08.04 | braddbr | cool, i'll try later when i'm out of programming mode :) |
| 12:09.30 | Alendit_ | someone else who wants to try offline wikipedia? you should have 1gb free space for german version or 3,2gb for the english one |
| 12:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Wont if be great 8 months from now, when we have a wonderful new N900 without the crippled LCD controller, tons of CPU powers and lots of hardware acceleration? :] |
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| 12:11.04 | johnx | and we'll all get one for free and then fly into the air on rainbows? |
| 12:11.06 | Tama^2 | GA: it's getting old ;-P besides what makes you think that the errors of the past wont be repeated? |
| 12:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | and they'll run on the hopes and dreams of little children. |
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| 12:11.56 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: only if there's another discount programme ;-) |
| 12:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, TI has kind forced them into a corner, they don't really have any options for screwing up. |
| 12:12.25 | Tama^2 | you are such an idealist ;) |
| 12:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, dreaming never gets old. |
| 12:12.29 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: not including the LCD controller, we already have tons of hw accel, etc. We just can't use it |
| 12:12.36 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so you think the wimax tablet will have the newer OMAP? |
| 12:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno about that. |
| 12:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | WiMAX doesn't appeal to me at all, anyway. |
| 12:13.21 | johnx | so you think they'll launch a next gen tablet and a wimax tablet based on the current mainboard? |
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| 12:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | WiMAX is supposed to be Q2 or so, no? |
| 12:13.49 | lardman | limiting factor must be battery life |
| 12:14.10 | lardman | not sure what the mips/watt is for the higher end OMAPS |
| 12:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3 is supposed to be a lot more efficient than OMAP2. |
| 12:15.00 | johnx | efficient != lower power usage |
| 12:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. |
| 12:15.13 | lardman | but it's a start |
| 12:15.23 | johnx | well if it's 4 times faster and twice as efficient... |
| 12:15.32 | lardman | I don't think they need OMAP3 levels of performance really |
| 12:15.44 | lardman | I would like it, but it's not what the tablet's for |
| 12:15.54 | johnx | they just need a webkit browser |
| 12:16.06 | lardman | Give us OpenGL accel for pretty interface, and some improvements to the video player and people will be happy |
| 12:16.06 | johnx | and they need it to be released one year ago |
| 12:19.15 | lardman | :) |
| 12:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for the ultimate Linux-powered hand-sized laptop. |
| 12:21.42 | johnx | I think the problem is we all have a different definition of 'ultimate' |
| 12:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why Nokia needs to get around to diversifying the product line. |
| 12:22.41 | braddbr | can't forget how |
| 12:22.46 | braddbr | oop |
| 12:23.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, a whole product line all based on a 800x480 screen and similar mainboard would be a great idea for Nokia I think |
| 12:23.42 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: we are but a small demographic |
| 12:24.12 | johnx | OT: I'd *really* like to know the sales numbers on the N800/N810 vs the Zaurus line |
| 12:24.16 | X-Fade | Hehe, it took me 30 minutes to apply a screen protector on my N810 without trapping dust. What a pain ;) |
| 12:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | That's nothing X-Fade. |
| 12:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | Trying doing it for 3 units. ;) |
| 12:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, random number I read somewhere was in the rough 300-500k range for the N800. |
| 12:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like it was before the holiday rush, though. |
| 12:25.31 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I decided that is was OK. There is still some dust between screen and protector, but that will be for another day :) |
| 12:25.43 | johnx | ah, before they swung down to $200 for a while and we got that rush of ... ahem "new users" on itt... |
| 12:26.01 | pupnik | lardman: want to hack the voxel demo? i haven't been figure out how to make it render non-rectangular screens :/ |
| 12:26.24 | pupnik | don't understand the main render loop yet |
| 12:26.26 | lardman | pupnik: I've never done SDL |
| 12:26.44 | lardman | pupnik: I think I've got enough to do with fixing my build machine then the DSP stuff |
| 12:26.47 | pupnik | oh it's just a little puzzle - no sdl needed :) |
| 12:26.49 | pupnik | oki :) |
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| 12:28.22 | Alendit_ | what do you use to take screenshots on maemo? |
| 12:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | VNC |
| 12:30.48 | Alendit_ | kk |
| 12:30.50 | lardman | Alendit_: I think there's also an application |
| 12:30.55 | lardman | that you can install |
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| 12:32.30 | lcuk_2 | load-applet includes a screenshot menu function |
| 12:32.40 | pupnik | woohoo i did it :D |
| 12:34.47 | lardman | pupnik: fixed your voxel demo? |
| 12:35.03 | lardman | pupnik: isn't a voxel sound anyway? |
| 12:35.06 | pupnik | yeah almost ready for 800x480 test |
| 12:35.15 | pupnik | voxlet is sound |
| 12:35.20 | lardman | ah, ok |
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| 12:39.18 | lardman | pupnik: is your SDL stuff compiled using vfp? |
| 12:39.27 | pupnik | yes |
| 12:39.35 | lardman | static libs built in? |
| 12:39.41 | pupnik | no |
| 12:40.13 | lardman | ah, so on my machine it will be slower as I'm using the default libs (assuming they do some of the floating point arithmetic) |
| 12:40.15 | jott | sdl does not gain much with vfp as there are barely any floatingpoint operations. |
| 12:40.31 | lardman | oh right, ignore my comment then :) |
| 12:40.46 | jott | and most non-opengl graphic effects use fixedpoint anyway ;) |
| 12:42.19 | lardman | ah ok, just a random thought |
| 12:43.56 | pupnik | ok try this one |
| 12:44.02 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/newvox |
| 12:46.40 | lardman | nice :) |
| 12:46.50 | lardman | now can you do textured terrain? |
| 12:47.16 | pupnik | no i still have a problem with Andrea's core render routine |
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| 12:58.18 | solmumaha | is there a way to do right mouse click with sdl on tablet? |
| 12:58.54 | pupnik | no, you need to implement a toggle |
| 12:59.01 | solmumaha | k |
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| 13:09.07 | |tbb| | fantastic four using our tablets ;) - > http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-04.jpg http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-05.jpg |
| 13:09.32 | |tbb| | so if you dont know what to do with your n770, now you know, save the world! |
| 13:10.42 | X-Fade | Let me guess. Displaying a JPEG in photoviewer ;) |
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| 13:13.23 | Tak | I'm using mine to destroy the world. |
| 13:16.26 | jott | why not use it, to TAKE OVER the world :) .. "SEE I CAN LAUNCH ATOMIC WEAPONS WITH THIS DEVICE! [Insert nice red button JPEG] Fulfil my demands!" |
| 13:21.05 | solmumaha | is click and hold for right mouse a wm thing on maemo? |
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| 13:28.45 | Tak | haha, I made a "Red button" app with rubygame |
| 13:28.48 | X-Fade | Hmm we are hitting the 10K active users on garage.maemo.org! |
| 13:28.56 | X-Fade | 9995 at the moment.. |
| 13:29.35 | _collin_ | X-Fade: this would account for the bad performance |
| 13:29.59 | X-Fade | _collin_: We are working on that. |
| 13:30.22 | _collin_ | X-Fade: I hope so :) |
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| 13:30.41 | Tak | give them a break; the entire site's being served from a 770 |
| 13:30.43 | X-Fade | _collin_: Next week we will do a sprint to fix a lot of performance issues. |
| 13:30.49 | _collin_ | |tbb|: I use my 770 as a an internat radio for my kitchen |
| 13:31.03 | X-Fade | Tak: Beowulf cluster of 770s ofcourse ;) |
| 13:31.20 | _collin_ | X-Fade: including the rest of maemo.org or just garage? |
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| 13:31.53 | |tbb| | listen internet radio != save the world but anyway good choice |
| 13:31.56 | X-Fade | Maemo.org and garage.. |
| 13:32.04 | _collin_ | X-Fade: nice! |
| 13:32.23 | X-Fade | _collin_: But I think maemo.org needs it most ;) |
| 13:32.43 | _collin_ | X-Fade: are you one of guys to ask for upload permissions for extras repo? |
| 13:33.08 | _collin_ | my "customers" repo users keep bugging me to put my stuff on extras |
| 13:33.31 | X-Fade | _collin_: I think I can do that for you, yes. I haven't done that yet, so it would be a nice test :) |
| 13:33.48 | _collin_ | :) |
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| 13:34.01 | X-Fade | What is your username? |
| 13:34.06 | _collin_ | collin |
| 13:34.14 | X-Fade | obvious question ;) |
| 13:34.21 | _collin_ | collin[at]betaversion.net |
| 13:35.35 | X-Fade | _collin_: I _think_ I have just invited you ;) Check your mail.. |
| 13:36.08 | _collin_ | got it |
| 13:36.49 | X-Fade | Please let me know if you run into problems. I'm currently working on new proposals for extras. |
| 13:37.04 | _collin_ | X-Fade: arg my gpg key is at home |
| 13:37.15 | _collin_ | will do signup tonight |
| 13:37.22 | X-Fade | I'm going to push all required changes to make extras the way the community wants it.. |
| 13:37.25 | _collin_ | X-Fade: your email address |
| 13:37.29 | _collin_ | ? |
| 13:38.38 | Tak | hah, the community doesn't know what it wants, for the most part |
| 13:38.49 | _collin_ | ok |
| 13:39.10 | X-Fade | Tak, well. Let's try to figure that out and make it work :) |
| 13:40.13 | X-Fade | Tak: Andrew Flegg had some nice points and I think we should work them out.. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013889.html |
| 13:40.31 | Tak | yes, he did |
| 13:41.03 | Tak | I'm levi bard, btw |
| 13:41.12 | X-Fade | Nokia gave me time to work on things like that, so I intend to make things work.. |
| 13:41.45 | X-Fade | I'm Niels Breet, the front page announcement one ;) |
| 13:41.52 | johnx | that's really good news |
| 13:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | Have any N810 user's tried the gpsd patch that's in bugzilla? |
| 13:48.03 | lcuk_2 | i was gonna try it last night but it would stioll have taken time, ant i will put 810 in postition this evening and run 2 test: time to first wake, then power down and a few minutes later do it again. then i will repeat after installing. all from same location |
| 13:48.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I just had my first fix after about 10 minutes. Let me see how long it takes after a cold boot now. |
| 13:48.23 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Without that patch.. |
| 13:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | ITT seems to be reporting positively. |
| 13:49.32 | lcuk_2 | as in marked as FIXED? or just a feeling that its better |
| 13:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | People who have applied the patch are reporting much better results. |
| 13:50.43 | |tbb| | my fix isnt that bad like all reported, if i use it often |
| 13:51.17 | |tbb| | but it might be better after that patch, which will be fine |
| 13:52.01 | Tama^2 | not sure who was interested in this before: http://www.drlinux.it/maemo/battery_consumption.html |
| 13:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | Where's the graphs? :P |
| 13:52.30 | Tama^2 | >.< |
| 13:52.33 | Tama^2 | no time! |
| 13:52.48 | Tama^2 | but will get there :P |
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| 13:54.50 | X-Fade | 4 minutes to fix after cold boot, without the patch. |
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| 13:55.39 | Tak | pupnik: I want you to know that I'm not flaming you... ;-) |
| 13:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | afaik, the device will cycle in and out of idle mode quite rapidly. |
| 13:56.05 | Tama^2 | yes, it should |
| 13:56.30 | Tama^2 | but to avoid waking it up too often I set the sampling interval to 60 minutes |
| 13:56.39 | pupnik | ok |
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| 13:56.56 | pupnik | but lookit... i'm getting 20fps now :P http://pupnik.de/newvox |
| 13:57.34 | Tak | excellent |
| 13:57.43 | GeneralAntilles | That is disturbingly high power usage for the SD cards. |
| 13:57.59 | |tbb| | pupnik: whats that newvox? |
| 13:58.16 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles, they are 2x16Gb |
| 13:58.34 | pupnik | a little demo program |tbb| |
| 13:58.36 | Tak | Tama^2: wow, that is disturbing |
| 13:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | I want some comparison tests from other people on that now. :< |
| 13:59.11 | Tak | I'm almost sure it's not that way for 770 |
| 13:59.23 | |tbb| | could anyone know a guide which show me how to use internet on a tablet while its connected to nix box via usb cable |
| 13:59.41 | Tama^2 | well, IF the OS put them sleep when going idle the power consumption would go down dramatically (10 times) |
| 14:00.05 | Tama^2 | I am going to try with other SD cards |
| 14:00.14 | Tama^2 | I am sure the ones I used are hogs... |
| 14:00.38 | Tama^2 | they were the first 16Gb I could get my hands on |
| 14:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | Is there something to log to watch if they switch on and off? |
| 14:00.58 | Tama^2 | I will try the one that comes with the device and a 4Gb one |
| 14:01.30 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: They do not because I have unmounted them in test #4 nd verified at the ned they were stiull unmounted |
| 14:01.58 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, you might get in touch will Milhouse for some more data. |
| 14:02.00 | Tama^2 | still I will augment the script to log: lsof, ps aux, dmesg and mmc presence flags |
| 14:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | s/will/with/ |
| 14:02.31 | Tama^2 | Who's Milhouse? :) |
| 14:03.31 | |tbb| | oh bad cant using mmc1 card content when i am using the device with usbnet ;( |
| 14:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=129224&postcount=3 |
| 14:04.59 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
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| 14:24.40 | Tama^2 | nite, ciao |
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| 14:41.29 | b0unc3 | guys, http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ <- someone has confirmed(tested) it ? |
| 14:41.31 | cizarro | silly question. how do I support both WPA1 and WPA2 (PSK)? |
| 14:41.36 | cizarro | is psk2 enough? |
| 14:44.35 | X-Fade | b0unc3: I'm testing it at the moment, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for me.. |
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| 14:45.56 | Solarion | what needs to be done to have maemo do dynamic WEP? |
| 14:46.13 | Solarion | 'cause it's probably easier than convincing my university to switch their assinine infrastructure |
| 14:47.50 | pupnik | Solarion: perhaps you fan find an answer there http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 14:47.53 | pupnik | or on the wiki |
| 14:47.55 | cizarro | heh, I just now noticed that this was completely wrong channel :-) |
| 14:48.07 | Solarion | pupnik: Maybe I didn't make it clear; I'm willing to hack |
| 14:48.24 | Solarion | I've done some c and g*, and want to make this happen |
| 14:48.28 | pupnik | ok well i don't know what that is |
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| 14:49.07 | Solarion | g* is gobject, glib, gtk, etc. I'm a novice, but I've done a bit |
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| 14:52.24 | Blafasel | b0unc3: Just testing it. |
| 14:52.29 | Blafasel | Looks neat, though |
| 14:52.39 | Blafasel | Give me 5min |
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| 14:54.47 | b0unc3 | Ok people, let us know! :P |
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| 14:55.38 | Blafasel | Just started the default maps app |
| 14:56.02 | Tak | Solarion: unrelated to dynamic wep, you should check out http://live.gnome.org/Vala |
| 14:57.52 | johnx | Solarion, I'm not that familiar with Nokia's wireless setup, but maybe I can at least give you some search terms to start on and a couple links |
| 14:58.01 | massoud | Hi there, my N770 screen is doing weird stuff |
| 14:58.12 | johnx | wlancond appears to be their wifi handling daemon |
| 14:58.12 | massoud | http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01044.JPG |
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| 14:58.36 | johnx | massoud, that does't look good at all :( |
| 14:58.48 | massoud | johnx : thanks |
| 14:58.52 | massoud | :) |
| 14:59.03 | massoud | it happened suddenly |
| 14:59.06 | Tak | eek - does it persist after reset? |
| 14:59.16 | b0unc3 | massoud: wosd |
| 14:59.22 | b0unc3 | wsod* |
| 14:59.55 | massoud | wsod ? |
| 14:59.59 | X-Fade | Looks like display connector problem.. |
| 14:59.59 | johnx | Solarion, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html might help a little as well |
| 15:00.00 | lardman | xinerama was the way |
| 15:00.09 | _collin_ | Wsomthing Screen Of Death |
| 15:00.14 | b0unc3 | massoud: white screen of death :( |
| 15:00.19 | johnx | lardman, ah, glad to hear it :) |
| 15:00.47 | massoud | xinerama ? |
| 15:00.59 | massoud | I hope it was not a WSOD |
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| 15:01.12 | lardman | massoud: had to reinstall Linux, trying to get my 3 monitors working |
| 15:02.06 | johnx | Solarion, and if you can't make Nokia's stuff play nice there is a patch to the wireless driver (cx3110x) that enables enough of Linux wext to make normal wpa_supplicant work. From their any network that can be accessed with wpa_supplicant is fair game |
| 15:02.07 | massoud | lardman : and after reinstall went back well ? |
| 15:02.22 | lardman | http://pastebin.ca/891292 |
| 15:02.34 | lardman | yep, after lots of fiddling about with the modelines :( |
| 15:02.35 | dragorn | Solarion: there were patches floating around the cx3110 mailing list to enable wpa_supplication in some fashion. You're going to have to do something like that and rebuild the OSS part of the wifi drivers, and use that to configure things instead, right now the advanced wireless stuff is all inside closed source blobs |
| 15:02.38 | johnx | Solarion, patch for wext here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html |
| 15:03.12 | johnx | the patch that dragorn is talking about is the one I just linked :) |
| 15:03.26 | johnx | lardman, hey, at least you didn't have to write a modeline :P |
| 15:04.49 | Blafasel | Seems to work for me, b0unc3 |
| 15:05.10 | b0unc3 | Blafasel: really ? |
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| 15:06.08 | Blafasel | Yes? |
| 15:06.09 | massoud | do you think I have a WOSD then guys ? |
| 15:06.25 | DaniloCesar | Is there a way to put "Brightness Period" = Infinite in N800 (OS2008) ? |
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| 15:07.09 | DaniloCesar | I need that bright period last forever... ;) |
| 15:07.22 | lardman | johnx: there was a handy tool available already to calculate them |
| 15:07.23 | johnx | DaniloCesar, will you settle for arbitrarily long? |
| 15:07.25 | X-Fade | DaniloCesar: If you connect the charger, it is easy. Otherwise you need a script to keep the timeout busy.. |
| 15:07.33 | massoud | it seems that when I plug the power cable I get the screen back at the boot at least |
| 15:07.53 | smackpotat1 | massoud i disasempled the 770 to check conections for a problem i eventually had to send for repair |
| 15:07.54 | massoud | is there a clue with the amps delivered by the batt ? |
| 15:08.08 | DaniloCesar | X-Fade, without the charger.... |
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| 15:08.35 | johnx | DaniloCesar, there's a way to add other arbitrary timeouts with gconf |
| 15:08.39 | massoud | smackpota1 : with/without waranty ? |
| 15:08.47 | johnx | so you could at least set it for 24 hours ... |
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| 15:09.05 | smackpotat1 | it washedwarantyed |
| 15:09.11 | DaniloCesar | johnx, hummmmmmm...... 20 minutes is good for me ;) |
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| 15:09.25 | smackpotat1 | it was warrented |
| 15:09.29 | DaniloCesar | johnx, is there a tutorial? |
| 15:09.30 | johnx | DaniloCesar, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 |
| 15:09.35 | DaniloCesar | Thanks! |
| 15:09.41 | johnx | just a couple lines to run in the terminal |
| 15:09.54 | DaniloCesar | perfect =) |
| 15:10.20 | johnx | something called acmonitor is also in that thread but I believe it won't work with OS2008. the gconf settings work fine in OS2008 however. :) |
| 15:10.41 | dragorn | b0unc3: Significant improvement on my unit |
| 15:11.06 | massoud | http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01042.JPG |
| 15:11.09 | massoud | Nice :) |
| 15:11.12 | massoud | at least |
| 15:11.50 | dragorn | b0unc3: of course, it's still a fundamentally broken version of gpsd, but that makes the internal gps usable |
| 15:12.14 | b0unc3 | dragorn: good news |
| 15:12.28 | dragorn | b0unc3: Thanks for the link |
| 15:12.49 | DaniloCesar | johnx, acmonitor is one of pupnik's toys, right? |
| 15:12.51 | dragorn | b0unc3: If you're doing GPS stuff tho, beware: GPSD shipped by nokia in os2008 doesn't work :/ (it doesn't properly parse NMEA) |
| 15:13.06 | dragorn | b0unc3: You can still use it in debug mode (r=1) and parse nmea yourself |
| 15:13.07 | johnx | DaniloCesar, it would appear so :) |
| 15:13.22 | DaniloCesar | I used to use it on os2007 |
| 15:13.26 | johnx | me too |
| 15:13.46 | johnx | I tried it in OS2008 without any luck |
| 15:13.54 | johnx | it kept randomly waking up the display |
| 15:14.21 | DaniloCesar | I think in to do something like that on my app.... |
| 15:14.38 | johnx | using dbus-scripts you might be able to write up a quick replacement |
| 15:14.46 | johnx | I haven't looked at it yet |
| 15:14.56 | johnx | and it's far past my bed time :) |
| 15:15.06 | DaniloCesar | maemo-mapper have something like that... its wake the screen sometimes.... I need to do that on my chord/tabs-app |
| 15:15.15 | johnx | ah |
| 15:15.48 | johnx | DaniloCesar, mplayer would also have an example of how that's done |
| 15:15.55 | b0unc3 | dragorn: ok... but I'm not doing any stuff with GPS... ;) |
| 15:16.03 | dragorn | b0unc3: Well then you won't care :) |
| 15:16.09 | johnx | but anyways, I need to catch some sleep |
| 15:16.11 | johnx | 'night all |
| 15:16.19 | DaniloCesar | but my code is on python (I'm refactoring pychord code), maemo-mapper and mplayer is writen in C..... |
| 15:16.26 | DaniloCesar | night! |
| 15:16.38 | b0unc3 | dragorn: anyway.. thanks for your info/test .. |
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| 15:16.40 | b0unc3 | night johnx |
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| 15:17.59 | Tak | haha, inz's inside my brain |
| 15:19.56 | Tak | Alterego: is rubyx up yet? |
| 15:20.10 | Tak | or is there an alternate email address? ;-) |
| 15:22.19 | Tak | DaniloCesar: http://tinyurl.com/24macp or http://tinyurl.com/2z3f4y ‽ |
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| 15:27.29 | smackpotat1 | for massoud |
| 15:27.36 | smackpotat1 | http://www.uselessinfo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dismantlen770.htm |
| 15:29.31 | smackpotat1 | any kdrive xperts in the room |
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| 15:36.24 | Alterego | Tak, tomorrow. I need to go to my new data centre to sort some new IP allocations then I'm set :D |
| 15:37.58 | X-Fade | Ok, guys. What predections about the next device can we make if we look at a commit message like this? http://cia.vc/stats/project/maemo/.message/b403a6 |
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| 15:38.46 | mgedmin | either no bluetooth, or built-in gsm |
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| 15:39.21 | X-Fade | mgedmin: I don't think no bluetooth is an option nowadays.. |
| 15:40.03 | mgedmin | what about a hypothetical low-end crippled version of the tablet? |
| 15:40.19 | Tak | crap, are they integrating a phone? |
| 15:40.31 | matmo | sigh, huff, just exactly *what* is needed to get an app icon up in the task switcher? |
| 15:40.32 | X-Fade | Or an internet watch ;) |
| 15:40.34 | zoran | wimax, as I see on the net |
| 15:40.43 | inz | matmo, a .desktop file |
| 15:40.48 | matmo | got one |
| 15:41.14 | matmo | icon, got one, service file, got one, update icon cache, done it |
| 15:41.21 | X-Fade | zoran: Wimax is an option indeed. But I don't think Wimax is global, so why would one remove phone pairing. |
| 15:41.36 | inz | matmo, do you use a wrapper script to start your program? |
| 15:41.46 | matmo | nope, do I need one? |
| 15:41.50 | inz | matmo, or, does your .desktop file have proper Exec= -line |
| 15:42.06 | matmo | yep |
| 15:42.06 | inz | matmo, no, you don't, but they cause problems with the icons |
| 15:42.16 | inz | matmo, what language is your program written in? |
| 15:42.17 | matmo | btw this is in SB |
| 15:42.19 | matmo | C |
| 15:42.26 | inz | matmo, and gtk+? |
| 15:42.29 | matmo | yep |
| 15:42.37 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously that's for the WiMAX tablet. |
| 15:42.41 | inz | matmo, hmm, dat is weird |
| 15:42.59 | inz | matmo, the icon should appear, if the WMClass of a window/program matches that of a .desktop file |
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| 15:43.17 | inz | matmo, and if a .desktop files doesn't explicitly define a WMClass, it is derived from the Exec -line |
| 15:43.25 | massoud | smackpotat1 : thanks, I have my n770 dissambled now and trying to see if I can repair something :( |
| 15:43.53 | inz | matmo, and Gtk+ does it from the program file as well, so if you have Exec=/path/to/your/binary, it _should_ work |
| 15:44.11 | inz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.43 | matmo | I swear it came up once, last week, but never again. Also I do have the WMClass in the desktop file but not sure exactly what to set it to. Yep I have the exact path in the exec entry (the app does start) |
| 15:45.21 | inz | matmo, the app starts even if the exec entry is broken, if you define a dbus service name in the .desktop file |
| 15:45.49 | matmo | inz: one mo, just answering the phone |
| 15:45.49 | inz | matmo, in that case D-Bus is responsible for starting the program (based on the .service file) |
| 15:46.11 | ||cw | rx-48... interesting... according to this http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/nokia/firmware.html R means mobile computing device and X means ETACS based devices, which is a 900Mhz network |
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| 15:46.40 | X-Fade | ||cw: Nah, rx-34 = 770 and rx-44 = n800.. |
| 15:46.46 | ||cw | thinking the X means something new to nokia though |
| 15:47.10 | inz | X-Fade, SU-18 = 770, RX-34 = N800, RX-44 = N810 |
| 15:47.23 | ||cw | X-Fade: that site says the 770 is SU-18 |
| 15:47.25 | X-Fade | inz: Uhm yeah, brain fade.. |
| 15:47.31 | X-Fade | Inz is right.. |
| 15:47.37 | inz | as always ;) |
| 15:47.47 | X-Fade | Yes sir! |
| 15:48.08 | inz | at ease |
| 15:48.53 | ||cw | so what's a TME-4? |
| 15:48.54 | matmo | inz: I think I have thrown everything possible in the desktop file. If I remove the dbus service lines and StartupWMClass for now should I still get an icon showing? |
| 15:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder how different the WiMAX tablet will be. |
| 15:49.19 | Tak | ohh, wimax |
| 15:49.32 | Blafasel | dragorn: What's the matter with the wrong NMEA parsing? |
| 15:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Tak. |
| 15:49.59 | Tak | I hope it's wimax and not gsm or some BS |
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| 15:50.06 | ||cw | unless it has a headset port it would still need bluetooth |
| 15:50.08 | dragorn | Blafasel: Look at the output of PAVM or W=1, alt and fix aren't returned by gpsd properly |
| 15:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | ||cw, the phone wizard. |
| 15:50.22 | ||cw | but I guess wouldn't need phone pairing |
| 15:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like you should still be able to pair it |
| 15:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | EDGE in rural areas, etc. |
| 15:50.55 | ||cw | but wimax isn't nearly widespread enough that pairing wouldn't still be useful |
| 15:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 15:51.16 | dragorn | Blafasel: But the data is there in the R=1 nmea stream. Which means everyone has to implement local nmea parsers anyhow and gpsd is just acting like a TCP serial mux |
| 15:51.31 | Tak | meh |
| 15:54.01 | Blafasel | dragorn: I'm not really into gps, just read http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt out of curiousity |
| 15:54.25 | dragorn | Blafasel: Having to rewrite my GPS handler, again, to handle yet another buggy gpsd variant, makes me cranky :P |
| 15:55.30 | matmo | anyone, how to dump something in pastebin? |
| 15:55.47 | lardman | matmo: open webbrowser, copy & paste, click submit |
| 15:55.57 | X-Fade | dragorn: I have already been trying to reach the person responsible for gpds inside nokia, to speed things up. |
| 15:56.03 | dragorn | Blafasel: If the version strings are to be believed, it's a fairly old gpsd. There have been a number of nmea parsing issues in the past, I'm going to guess nokia just grabbed an old version and never updated it |
| 15:56.07 | lardman | dragorn: so this is definitely a problem with gpsd then? |
| 15:56.19 | X-Fade | dragorn: So I hope it is possible to give the process a push.. |
| 15:56.32 | matmo | lardman: is there not a way to do from IRC? |
| 15:56.33 | dragorn | lardman: Looks like it to me. It's not parsing nmea fix/alt strings which are there in the NMEA stream |
| 15:56.47 | lardman | dragorn: ah, I see |
| 15:57.03 | dragorn | lardman: now I'll admit I've been too lazy to try to backtrack what version of gpsd it really is and look at their svn tree forward to see what rev fixed the bug |
| 15:57.38 | dragorn | lardman: It only hits people using O=1 and PAVM (well, AM) polling |
| 15:57.39 | lardman | dragorn: curious they chose such an old version |
| 15:58.20 | lardman | dragorn: assuming their versioning corresponds that it of course |
| 15:58.35 | dragorn | lardman: anyone who does R=1 debug mode and locally implements NMEA avoids it since they're not counting on gpsd to do anything but mux nmea to multiple apps. A lot of code uses R=1 anyhow if it predates gpsd supporting sat position reporting. |
| 15:58.43 | X-Fade | lardman: probably because someone started working on it a long time ago.. |
| 15:59.03 | matmo | inz: http://pastebin.ca/891348 |
| 15:59.41 | dragorn | X-Fade: that's my guess |
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| 15:59.53 | dragorn | I don't believe the version string that says 1.0-foo |
| 16:00.00 | dragorn | But it does say protocol v2 |
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| 16:01.27 | dragorn | X-Fade: if you have a fast-track to the maemo devs, hassle them about fixing the usb otg interrupt read dma issue too :P |
| 16:01.27 | lardman | in TODO it says: "*** There's a report that RoyalTek support broke between 2.25 and 2.28 " |
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| 16:02.22 | X-Fade | dragorn: I don't think I have a fast-track, but who knows.. |
| 16:02.47 | lardman | dragorn: First entry in the debian/changelog is "Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:56 +0200" |
| 16:03.22 | lardman | ah-ha, same file: osso-gpsd is now forked from gpsd-2.32 |
| 16:04.32 | matmo | anyone else see what's wrong with that desktop/service file? |
| 16:05.12 | lardman | Doesn't the Exec line have to be a single binary name, no path? |
| 16:05.57 | matmo | lardman: one mo, I'll try that variation |
| 16:06.32 | dragorn | lardman: i don't recall anything in the late 20s until 34 actually working for any hw I had :P |
| 16:06.37 | dragorn | lardman: but that's anecdotal |
| 16:07.09 | lardman | dragorn: I've not looked into gpsd since ~2004 |
| 16:08.07 | matmo | lardman: u r a superstar! ty ty |
| 16:08.08 | lardman | dragorn: this mean anything to you? "Last saved report now contains accumulated value for "set" field." |
| 16:08.13 | lardman | matmo: np |
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| 16:08.39 | lardman | matmo: you might want to place your binary in /usr/bin though as /usr/local/bin is not in the path; that or use a symlink/script to call it |
| 16:08.41 | dragorn | lardman: not offhand |
| 16:09.04 | lardman | dragorn: I'm just wondering what those files contain, other than lots of 0x00 in the case of the last saved report |
| 16:10.15 | dragorn | lardman: Honestly, the latest GPSD release has issues with fix, too, since it can report a lat/lon field with no fix (since that NMEA sentence doesn't include 2d/3d fix info) and then report it again with a fix when it sees another NMEA sentence two lines down, so it jitters all over. They have a fix for it, but requires every app be modified since it's a per-connection enable. |
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| 16:11.01 | matmo | lardman: ok |
| 16:11.29 | lardman | dragorn: but the file it writes should be ok as long as the fix does actually become a decent 3D one before gpsdriver is closed |
| 16:12.00 | dragorn | lardman: File it writes to? |
| 16:12.27 | lardman | dragorn: ah, /var/lib/gps/ |
| 16:12.33 | dragorn | lardman: News to me |
| 16:12.39 | lardman | dragorn: these are written by gpsdriver |
| 16:12.40 | dragorn | lardman: All the code I've seen talks sockets |
| 16:13.01 | dragorn | lardman: You really don't want all your code thrashing a file open per second to get gps state |
| 16:13.44 | lardman | dragorn: my interest is in why the locks take so long, so the file that gpsdriver (presumably) writes the last saved location to when it shuts down is of interest |
| 16:14.02 | lardman | dragorn: not sure this would be affected by the leap year problem though |
| 16:14.26 | dragorn | lardman: Ahh. Well, the gpsd patch regarding the leap year thing sure evened out the lock time on my unit. |
| 16:14.56 | dragorn | lardman: The problems I have with gpsd are runtime, in that it doesn't work as a gps daemon :P They're all post-lock. |
| 16:15.21 | dragorn | (by whatever mechanism it determines lock with independent of how it reports lock, it would seem) |
| 16:15.40 | lardman | dragorn: I'll see what results I get with the new gpsd |
| 16:16.23 | lardman | ~lart closed source components |
| 16:16.23 | infobot | gives closed source components an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending closed source components to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 16:41.10 | lardman | dragorn: Looking at that NMEA doc (http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt) I see mention of an FAA mode indicator, does this not differentiate between a 2D and 3D lock? |
| 16:41.27 | lardman | dragorn: or is dead reckoning something other than a 2D lock? |
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| 16:43.36 | dragorn | lardman: GPGSA, field 3. Sat status sentence, the gpsd mode appears to be directly derived from this when available and indirectly somehow when not |
| 16:43.48 | dragorn | lardman: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm |
| 16:44.28 | dragorn | lardman: in newcore, and in kismet-stable svn with R=1 mode in the gps code, I use gpgsa to get the fix |
| 16:45.10 | Blafasel | kismet. *sigh* |
| 16:45.44 | lardman | dragorn: what do you use to look at your NMEA data, other than telnet? |
| 16:45.53 | dragorn | Blafasel: Hm? |
| 16:46.11 | dragorn | lardman: on the 810? telnet localhost 2947 then issue gpsd commands |
| 16:46.30 | Blafasel | dragorn: Ah, nothing. Just reminds me of my wild "Let's get this toy and run around with kismet and aircrack" dreams. Hrmpf.. |
| 16:46.32 | lardman | dragorn: ok, that's easy enough |
| 16:46.38 | dragorn | Blafasel: Aircrack, no |
| 16:46.46 | dragorn | Blafasel: Kismet, yes, if you build it out of svn |
| 16:46.56 | Blafasel | Yeah, but that kind of defies the purpose for me ;) |
| 16:46.57 | massoud | Guys, how much roughly costs a WSOD repair/fix operation you think ? |
| 16:47.00 | dragorn | Blafasel: after much kluging around the device being a pain in the ass, it works |
| 16:47.21 | dragorn | Blafasel: aircrack would require injection-capable drivers to be reasonable. Or a USB wireless NIC. |
| 16:47.56 | Blafasel | dragorn: Yep, I know. That's what the *sigh* expressed in one emote ;) |
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| 16:51.09 | pupnik | i think i found yet another crazy problem with SDL and Xsp. |
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| 16:51.55 | pupnik | wb jott |
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| 16:52.06 | jott | hello |
| 16:52.25 | Tak | hooray! |
| 16:52.30 | Tak | what's the problem? |
| 16:53.00 | pupnik | when i set video mode to 400x240, i only get a 400x240 window |
| 16:53.15 | pupnik | and the stuff inside that is pixel doubled |
| 16:53.51 | pupnik | when i set video mode to 800x480 and then just updaterect a 400x240 portion of that (my game screen) sdl is blitting the whole 800x480 window |
| 16:54.10 | pupnik | i can tell because it's about 1/2 as slow as when i do a 400x240 window without xsp |
| 16:54.13 | Tak | iirc it depends on the order in which you enable doubling and set the video mode |
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| 16:55.09 | pupnik | ohh |
| 16:55.28 | Tak | also, if it were actually blitting the entire window, it would be at least 4x as slow |
| 16:55.49 | Tak | maybe there's some overhead on the hardware side? |
| 16:56.06 | pupnik | well there's game stuff happening also |
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| 16:58.43 | pupnik | Tak that did it thanks! |
| 16:58.57 | pupnik | now up to 60fps |
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| 16:59.45 | smackpotat1 | massoud: even though mine was a warrenty repair they stated $110 on the import papers |
| 16:59.57 | Tak | hooray! |
| 17:00.11 | Tak | now fix my gngeo buttons on os2008 :-P |
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| 17:01.18 | pupnik | L/ |
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| 17:05.59 | matmo | what size application icons does hildon actual need? |
| 17:07.25 | pupnik | duno |
| 17:07.41 | pupnik | ok now the doubling breaks again, running a second time |
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| 17:11.54 | SmackPotat | can someone take a look at some code which is my beginning for a virtual trackball to see if I'm barking up the right tree |
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| 17:28.41 | massoud | smackpotat1 : it s then worth buying a new one on ebay and get started again :) |
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| 17:34.40 | SmackPotat | massoud here is something else you can try leave the battery out for 24 hours. but this is just s guess |
| 17:35.19 | SmackPotat | if your buying anouther id go for the n800 |
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| 17:41.53 | eichi | hello |
| 17:42.23 | eichi | i have internet connection with wlan to my n800. can i give internet connection to my handy, connected by bluetooth? |
| 17:43.16 | Proteous | handy? |
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| 17:43.32 | keesj | eichi: in theory yes, but I don't think there is a ready made packages for that (the moost obious missing feature is iptables i think |
| 17:44.56 | keesj | I even guess that doing the "server part of" might be a good start http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking |
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| 17:48.04 | pupnik | Tak: i can take a look at gngeo now - maybe i find something |
| 17:48.06 | pupnik | svn? |
| 17:49.06 | Tak | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3253/gngeo_0.7maemo-2.tar.gz is the current code |
| 17:50.10 | Tak | soft_init() in src/blitter/soft.c |
| 17:56.54 | pupnik | ok |
| 17:57.08 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/newvox2x is the xsp version ... 60+ fps :) |
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| 17:59.53 | pupnik | Tak: configure: error: conditional "HAVE_LIBXSP" was never defined |
| 18:00.37 | pupnik | do you know what this is? |
| 18:01.18 | Tak | --enable-n770 --enable-cyclone --enable-drz80 |
| 18:02.13 | massoud | SmackPotat : I try this one :) |
| 18:03.40 | pupnik | Tak: do i need to have an env variable for XSP_CFLAGS set? |
| 18:03.54 | pupnik | checking for XSP... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it |
| 18:04.01 | pupnik | is in your path... |
| 18:04.15 | pupnik | which pkg-config |
| 18:04.16 | pupnik | /scratchbox/tools/bin/pkg-config |
| 18:05.13 | pupnik | pkg-config --cflags "xsp" returns blank |
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| 18:06.50 | pupnik | got all the *xsp* packages installed too |
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| 18:34.02 | dphil9000 | eichi: i just set up bluetooth networking almost the same way you described |
| 18:34.24 | Tak | Xsp |
| 18:35.02 | Tak | err, nvm, that's not right |
| 18:35.10 | Tak | yeah, the pkg-config cflags for xsp are empty |
| 18:35.19 | Tak | try --libs |
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| 18:39.32 | b0unc3 | uhmm... my menu open up at random time without any touch... might the screen protector cause this? |
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| 18:40.06 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 18:40.17 | lcuk_2 | check you have not got any grit caught in the gutter at the side of your screen |
| 18:40.22 | mgedmin | my menu sometimes pops up when I'm touching something on the other side of the screen |
| 18:40.37 | mgedmin | checking for grit might be a good idea -- I'm sure my n800 has plenty |
| 18:41.18 | lcuk_2 | this is especially if its a new occurance, however if its done it since you got screen protector that might also be the answer |
| 18:42.26 | b0unc3 | I think is the screen protector... it's not placed very well... |
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| 18:42.54 | b0unc3 | btw I will check for grit |
| 18:43.54 | b0unc3 | also the touch is acting strange... |
| 18:44.47 | lcuk_2 | if its still doing it after taking off the protector and recalibrated, it might be busted |
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| 18:50.55 | X3N | Where can i find python-gtk for os 2008 ? |
| 18:53.30 | b0unc3 | damn!! it was the screen protector!!.. incredible... |
| 18:53.47 | BugBlue | you have to pull that off... |
| 18:55.51 | b0unc3 | already pulled off... now I'm just burning it :P |
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| 19:08.28 | Alendit_ | ^^ |
| 19:09.24 | elb | ... in 8 minutes |
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| 19:10.52 | X3N | woo i've only had my n800 for a week and i've already broken it |
| 19:11.00 | X3N | software wise |
| 19:11.26 | Alendit_ | it's what a linux device made for ;) |
| 19:11.30 | darkip | anyone else tried the new gpsd fix for the n810? |
| 19:12.44 | X3N | Alendit_, yeah i guess so |
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| 19:13.08 | X3N | pain in the arse though |
| 19:14.06 | X3N | I think there is something wrong with the repositories with libsqlite3- |
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| 20:04.29 | Jaffa | re |
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| 20:36.46 | timelyx | anyone here know wazd? |
| 20:43.02 | keesj | how does the package-dbg magic (not) work? |
| 20:45.52 | timelyx | you need maemo-debug-scripts |
| 20:45.59 | timelyx | or else it doesn't work in sbox |
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| 21:06.46 | zeenix | timelyx: you got a mail |
| 21:07.07 | X3N | are maemo.org admins aware of the site problems ? |
| 21:09.41 | Jaffa | X3N: which site problems? (And probably not given it was OK at the CoB UK time, so well-past CoB .fi) |
| 21:10.57 | timelyx | zeenix: thanks |
| 21:11.15 | timelyx | Jaffa: it's only past 11pm localtime |
| 21:11.26 | timelyx | why wouldn't they be awake 6 hours after business hours? :) |
| 21:11.49 | Jaffa | They may be awake, but they may well be drinking a beer; having a sauna; doing some Finnish |
| 21:12.00 | timelyx | zeenix: got it, thanks |
| 21:12.25 | keesj | perhaps carnival |
| 21:12.32 | Jaffa | s/some/Â$&thing/ |
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| 21:12.46 | Jaffa | bah, infobot doesn't parse regexps properly ;-) |
| 21:12.48 | timelyx | ^A $ & eh? |
| 21:13.10 | Jaffa | The ^A was a mistyped £. Shift-3 & Shift-4 are remarkably close |
| 21:13.36 | X3N | Jaffa, I'm getting a very slow connection when i do, and sometimes i'm just getting squid errors |
| 21:13.43 | suihkulokki | considering that this winter isn't good for ice fishing, "doing something finnish" means sauna or/and beer |
| 21:13.53 | timelyx | Jaffa: oob |
| 21:14.08 | Jaffa | suihkulokki: I was in Iceland the other weekend; much fun drinking vodka. Rotten shark: not so good. |
| 21:14.25 | Jaffa | X3N: any URL in particular? http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ - for example - works for me |
| 21:15.09 | timelyx | fwiw, i've made http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-googlesearch-0.1.deb |
| 21:15.18 | timelyx | in case people have nothing better to do than install a deb to change a pref :) |
| 21:15.47 | X3N | that url is fine, it's mainly http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 though it's working now for me |
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| 21:56.11 | X3N | w00t just got my google calendar to sync with gpe calendar :) |
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| 22:10.08 | jga23 | X3N: syncing both ways? |
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| 22:10.49 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, are you still around? |
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| 22:11.49 | pupnik | huuh |
| 22:12.03 | pupnik | maths hurting brain |
| 22:12.26 | lcuk_2 | i bet it is. |
| 22:12.45 | lcuk_2 | ive just had a chance to take a peek at your newvox/pupvox example and i am suitably impressed |
| 22:12.50 | lcuk_2 | a big well done to you! |
| 22:13.27 | pupnik | yes but i didn't write the original algorithm |
| 22:13.30 | lcuk_2 | any chance of me taking a peek at the code to the full res version (im not interested in the newest xsp stuff) |
| 22:13.54 | lcuk_2 | i know that, i was looking on a demo site the other day and saw vox in under 256bytes i think! |
| 22:14.11 | pupnik | yeah some guys are crazy. but 8K isn't so bad for a C program |
| 22:14.27 | lcuk_2 | its not bad at all |
| 22:15.33 | lcuk_2 | i (as youve no doubt seen) have had enough trouble getting something bootstrapped on this maemo, if i had a small graphical proggy to get me going it would make life much easier |
| 22:16.17 | pupnik | you want a sdl demo then? |
| 22:16.22 | lcuk_2 | plz :$ |
| 22:16.59 | lcuk_2 | i gather i can just compile it up with scratchbox |
| 22:17.23 | pupnik | yeah i have some nice sdl demos |
| 22:17.26 | SmackPotat | is there a fake mouse i can change the pointer to |
| 22:17.46 | lcuk_2 | nice 1 pupnik :) |
| 22:18.36 | SmackPotat | or anything so i can disconect the stylus from the core pointer |
| 22:18.36 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n770demos/ grab these for some sdl demo fun |
| 22:19.21 | lcuk_2 | i saw those but bypassed them because of the 770 moniker, i thought nothing would work from that? |
| 22:19.32 | lcuk_2 | or do i just recompile and go |
| 22:19.36 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz there's a demo that shows you the works, sound, music, graphics and doubling |
| 22:19.59 | pupnik | nah SDL programs compile for all tablets |
| 22:20.41 | lcuk_2 | ahhh aliens i did try that one but for whatever reason couldnt get it built. |
| 22:21.06 | lcuk_2 | thanks pup, i will give these a go, and hopefully because they are small and self contained it should be logical enough |
| 22:22.12 | lcuk_2 | ive just got back from a lesson in woodworking. i am attempting to create a house for my 810. flat notebook sized piece of wood with a 2 step swimming pool area cut in it for 810 to sit in. |
| 22:22.26 | lcuk_2 | i think my mind is gonna explode with all this new stuff its doing |
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| 22:23.38 | jott | hmm i wonder if there is a d-pad cap around that would fit/be usable with the n810 d-pad... |
| 22:23.47 | pupnik | :) i was wondering that too |
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| 22:24.24 | pupnik | but i've gotten fairly used to it |
| 22:25.15 | jott | i tried to play quake but my fingers hurt after a few minutes :/ |
| 22:25.57 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 22:27.47 | michele | somebody should build a BT or USB gaming shell |
| 22:28.16 | jott | hmm maybe we can find some asian folks who want to produce something, be it a shell or some plastik cap ;) |
| 22:28.43 | pupnik | you can buy bt game controllers for PDAs for 10-25 euro. |
| 22:28.51 | pupnik | someone got one of them working |
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| 22:28.56 | lcuk_2 | thats about the same price as a wiimote |
| 22:28.59 | rgriffit | Anyone know which solder pad of the 7 is RX on the N800? I know that pad 6 is TX. The 7 pads near the '+' on the battery |
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| 22:29.27 | lcuk_2 | ive seen wiimote code around |
| 22:29.29 | jott | well but i want something that i can still hold the n810 in my hand .. .. :/ |
| 22:31.08 | lcuk_2 | im thinking if we duct tape the wiimote to the 810 ;) |
| 22:31.28 | jott | hehe |
| 22:33.03 | michele | uh... never tought about that.. I should try to pair it |
| 22:33.26 | lcuk_2 | i think they do pair |
| 22:33.59 | jott | hmm in times of 3d printing there has to be a good solution for little money ;) |
| 22:35.08 | lcuk_2 | in times of real 3d printing we would rebuild 810 to OUR specifications |
| 22:35.36 | lcuk_2 | d pad on the side - you betcha. extra tab keys okily dokily |
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| 22:39.58 | michele | i like the d pad where it actually, it makes the device considerbly,smaller |
| 22:40.22 | michele | "where it is" |
| 22:40.42 | jott | michele: for many use-cases i like the place too .. but gaming is definitely not one ;) |
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| 22:42.26 | jott | but hey, if there is a market for things like this, http://www.1powershop.com/images/products_images/unfurl/1pob245op.jpg there must be a market for some extra d-pad for n810 too :) |
| 22:42.54 | michele | this seems a good one, if a bit pricey http://www.suntekstore.com/bluetooth-gamepad-for-smartphone-and-pdas---black.html |
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| 22:43.40 | jott | ah yeah and probably too small.. |
| 22:43.49 | jott | but something like that would be nice |
| 22:44.04 | lcuk_2 | you could even just mate it with the usbotg port |
| 22:44.05 | jott | ....and not so expensive if possible ;) |
| 22:44.18 | lcuk_2 | wouldnt need its own batteries to worry about |
| 22:44.27 | lcuk_2 | damn |
| 22:44.36 | lcuk_2 | yes it would, the stand blocks the way |
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| 22:46.31 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:46.36 | jott | hello |
| 22:46.47 | lardman | hey jott |
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| 22:48.15 | lcuk_2 | hey lardman |
| 22:48.32 | lardman | I tried the new improved (no leap year problem) gpsd, and maemo-mapper seems unhappy |
| 22:48.37 | lardman | hi lcuk_2 |
| 22:48.50 | lcuk_2 | why would maemo be upset? |
| 22:49.27 | lardman | It usually says looking for GPS, then says connecting, but now it says looking for, then the little gps symbol vanishes and it starts again |
| 22:50.00 | lardman | not exactly a stunning bug report, was just going to ask if anyone else had seen similar (or not) |
| 22:50.36 | Veggen | lardman: hmm. probably gpsd crashes? |
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| 22:51.07 | lardman | Veggen: When I start the maps app, it seems to work ok - just sit there saying it's looking for a location |
| 22:51.27 | lardman | I'll have to do some testing |
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| 23:08.31 | lardman | what's the best bet for telneting to my N810? |
| 23:08.37 | lardman | I get connection refused |
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| 23:09.43 | johnx | lardman, you'll need to install a telnet daemon on it...but seriously: why telnet? |
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| 23:10.08 | lardman | gpsd |
| 23:10.23 | johnx | ah, telnetting to gpsd? |
| 23:10.34 | lardman | ah, no need, I can "cat /dev/pgps" |
| 23:11.16 | johnx | for future reference: I remember someone getting this working before. I think gpsd only listens on localhost so he forwarded a port with ssh |
| 23:12.08 | lardman | ah, thanks |
| 23:16.02 | lardman | scratch my earlier maemo-mapper comment, it seems to work now, must have been a one-off |
| 23:17.07 | derf | The GPS often seems to get in an infinite "Searching..." loop these days. |
| 23:17.34 | derf | Disabling and re-enabling the GPS on the device seems to fix it. |
| 23:17.45 | lardman | Through the control panel? |
| 23:18.23 | lardman | derf: I released the current vorbis dsp code if you're interested |
| 23:19.14 | maddler | hey all... |
| 23:19.21 | lardman | hi maddler |
| 23:19.35 | derf | lardman: Ooo. |
| 23:20.05 | lardman | derf: Doesn't work yet (still some error or other in the code), but it does run |
| 23:20.26 | lardman | tremor-dsp garage project, status is in the mailing list |
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| 23:22.00 | lardman | dsp-tremor even |
| 23:23.52 | lardman | still no lock and I can see that there are 5 satellites in the w to s quadrant |
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| 23:29.24 | lardman | and there I was thinking Ubuntu was so much more stable than Mandrakiva |
| 23:30.18 | johnx | what happened? |
| 23:30.55 | fysa | MacBook Air arrived safe and sound.. |
| 23:30.58 | lardman | just froze, mouse still moved, but stuck on the central monitor and sticky at the edges |
| 23:31.19 | lcuk_2 | fysa, via normal postal delivery? in an envelope as promised? |
| 23:31.34 | fysa | FedEx ;) |
| 23:31.36 | maddler | lardman: I've always had a bad feeling about RH/MDK/mandriva.... |
| 23:31.40 | maddler | :) |
| 23:31.53 | maddler | never felt comfortable with RH derivates... |
| 23:31.59 | maddler | Debian rocks! |
| 23:32.02 | lardman | maddler: yeah, Ubuntu is much nicer (though my Mandrakiva was quite old) |
| 23:32.29 | maddler | yup... Ubuntu ain't that bad... |
| 23:32.30 | fysa | it is in a relatively small box. |
| 23:32.43 | lardman | anyway this looks like a hardware error/conflict, annoying |
| 23:32.45 | maddler | beside I wasn't able to make it work on this laptop... whereas Debian testing runs smoothly! :D |
| 23:32.50 | lcuk_2 | lardman, maybe it knows you have a nokia tablet and its jealous |
| 23:32.58 | lardman | :) could be |
| 23:33.09 | lardman | except it's heavily involved as I need to to compile DSP code |
| 23:33.23 | lardman | so it should feel loved :) |
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| 23:33.30 | lcuk_2 | is it hardware issue? |
| 23:33.41 | lcuk_2 | 100% its a VIM |
| 23:34.02 | lardman | same thing with my old mandriva setup and ubuntu, so I guess so |
| 23:34.14 | lardman | VIM? |
| 23:34.22 | lcuk_2 | just graphics card or something more (very important machine) |
| 23:34.48 | lardman | I have a 7900GTX plus a 7300GS, I have a feeling the two don't like cohabiting |
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| 23:35.25 | lcuk_2 | whenever ive had a 900++ model nvidia the fans have gone flakey and overheat too much |
| 23:35.38 | lcuk_2 | i ended up underclocking the old one we had |
| 23:36.36 | johnx | sorry, I have no advice this time. The last time I did multi-card, multi-monitor was with a matrox MGA400 and a S3 Trio O_o |
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| 23:38.12 | simon__ | this is becoming annoying now |
| 23:38.29 | johnx | another hang? |
| 23:38.37 | lardman | yep |
| 23:38.44 | johnx | can you ctrl-alt-backspace to get out of it? |
| 23:38.45 | lardman | complete freeze this time, no mouse |
| 23:38.48 | lardman | nope |
| 23:39.06 | johnx | does alt-sysrq-b reboot? |
| 23:39.13 | johnx | or did you try it? |
| 23:39.26 | lardman | I tried a lot of combos and I think I tried that one |
| 23:39.46 | nelson | Anybody got a QR decoder for the camera? |
| 23:39.48 | lardman | will try when it happens again ;) |
| 23:40.11 | johnx | nelson, for the tablet specifically? |
| 23:40.27 | lardman | actually first will see if I can change the driver I use for the main screen & two extras - nvidia for main, nv for extras, need to log out, bbiam |
| 23:40.34 | nelson | johnx: yes. |
| 23:40.50 | johnx | I don't know of any for the tablet specifically... |
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| 23:43.16 | nelson | Hmmm..... Nokia is bundling a QR reader with some of their phones. |
| 23:44.29 | johnx | I think all phones in Japan since ~2006 have had one... |
| 23:44.56 | esworp | /Topic |
| 23:45.01 | esworp | Hrm |
| 23:45.10 | esworp | /topic |
| 23:45.16 | esworp | Hrrrrm. |
| 23:45.19 | nelson | the S60 seems to have a barcode reader. |
| 23:45.59 | glass_ | it's for 2d barcodes |
| 23:46.21 | glass_ | theres a bunch of readers for j2me and s60 really tho... |
| 23:46.28 | glass_ | but nighttime now |
| 23:46.30 | glass_ | -< |
| 23:46.31 | glass_ | -> |
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| 23:47.43 | johnx | lardman, again? |
| 23:47.49 | |tbb| | nelson i guess the camera quality will be to low for it |
| 23:47.55 | lardman | Well let's just say that it;s not happy with mixing nv and nvidia drivers |
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| 23:48.03 | johnx | aaah |
| 23:48.07 | johnx | I would believe that |
| 23:48.16 | lardman | I'm back to nvidia now, but only two screens to see if that makes a difference |
| 23:48.26 | nelson | |tbb|: it depends on the size of the barcode in bits. |
| 23:48.30 | lardman | I was running all 3 using nvidia before |
| 23:49.32 | lardman | Will wonders never cease, my GPS has locked on |
| 23:51.22 | lardman | oh no, not a lock, just some satellites in view |
| 23:54.03 | blahdeblah | Can anyone help me to work out what's wrong with my non-booting N800? If i turn it on, it comes to the blue & white Nokia screen, the light blue bar goes along to the end, then the screen goes black and it all starts again. |
| 23:55.18 | nelson | lardman: BTW, if you are in a state where it sees *zero* satellites, disable the GPS receiver using the icons. |
| 23:55.44 | nelson | lardman: then start up the map program. It will ask if you want to enable the GPS receiver. You do. |
| 23:55.57 | blahdeblah | It was switched off and charging all night last night, so i don't think it's battery. (It's only 1 month old, so i sincerely *hope* it's not battery!) I've tried booting with and without SD cards in both slots. |
| 23:55.57 | nelson | Basically ... you have just rebooted the firmware on the GPS receiver. |
| 23:55.58 | lardman | blahdeblah: have you used the flasher to switch off the lifeguard reset? |
| 23:56.23 | blahdeblah | lardman: Seeing as i don't know what the flasher or the lifeguard reset are, probably not... ;-) |
| 23:56.50 | lardman | nelson: no, it just had 3 in view, then it dropped back to 1, now I don't know as I've not seen another $GCGSV message |
| 23:57.09 | lardman | $GPGSV that should be |
| 23:57.33 | lardman | blahdeblah: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html#1f19f86248d463cafb8f84cc93e6f860 |
| 23:58.15 | lardman | blahdeblah: There's a process, the lifeguard, which sits there and reboots the machine when something goes wrong that can't be restarted. If you have something going wrong you might get continual reboot loops |
| 23:58.33 | blahdeblah | Sounds like it's kicking in! |
| 23:58.41 | lardman | blahdeblah: If you disable it, you might be able to start it and work out what's going wrong |
| 23:59.34 | lardman | blahdeblah: N800 should use flasher 3.0, but syntax is the same as that page which is for flasher 1.0 |
| 23:59.36 | blahdeblah | Whoa! My whole screen just faded to black from left to right. |
