| 00:00.16 | fysa | http://software.twotoasts.de/media/midori/screen1.png |
| 00:00.25 | johnx | I need to look at that again actually... |
| 00:00.43 | johnx | Right now I'm in the market for a hildonized browser that doesn't just hook into Nokia's EAL... |
| 00:00.50 | fysa | webkit would make gmail actually usable. ;) |
| 00:01.04 | johnx | epiphany-webkit makes google maps usable too... |
| 00:01.21 | fysa | try GdkLauncher.. |
| 00:01.27 | fysa | I think that's dead simple light |
| 00:01.42 | fysa | http://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit-gdklauncher.png |
| 00:02.08 | johnx | interesting |
| 00:02.11 | fysa | Oh, I know what it was. |
| 00:02.49 | fysa | http://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/ |
| 00:03.19 | johnx | :D |
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| 00:03.51 | johnx | I'll get a compile going ... |
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| 00:04.00 | |tbb| | re |
| 00:05.02 | fysa | the webkit SVN has hildonized bindings if you set the CPPFLAGS or something. |
| 00:05.12 | fysa | http://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/README |
| 00:05.48 | fysa | and then I heard something about the Android tree |
| 00:06.11 | johnx | android is neat...It'll be interesting to see how that plays out |
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| 00:09.10 | fugitivo | i like blackberry |
| 00:09.20 | johnx | they are delicious |
| 00:09.59 | fugitivo | i hated it first, but then I realized they did a great work with email, PIM and all that stuff |
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| 00:10.34 | daveux | So, I'm new to this Maemo/n810 stuff and I'm looking for some tips - just got my device yesterday. |
| 00:10.39 | fugitivo | if we can put that in the tablet, i'd be the perfect device (for me) |
| 00:10.42 | daveux | The only media player I |
| 00:10.54 | daveux | The only media player I've gotten to work is the built-in one. |
| 00:11.03 | daveux | And Modest email. |
| 00:11.13 | fugitivo | daveux: did you try canola2? |
| 00:11.29 | daveux | Yeah, for some reason it only scans 20 of my songs. |
| 00:11.39 | daveux | It looks great, but it doesn't see my other music. |
| 00:11.53 | fugitivo | weird |
| 00:12.02 | fugitivo | maybe some configuration need changes |
| 00:12.58 | daveux | Maybe it's my filenames. |
| 00:12.59 | daveux | Where can I find useful applets for the home screen? (or are there any...?) |
| 00:12.59 | fugitivo | why? you have weird characters or something like that? |
| 00:13.01 | daveux | Yes, some question marks and foreign accent chars. |
| 00:13.04 | fugitivo | hm, i don't have my n810 yet |
| 00:13.11 | LinuxCode | daveux, you want mplayer |
| 00:13.13 | fugitivo | do you like facebook? i'm writing a home applet for it |
| 00:13.21 | LinuxCode | it plays stuff and is faster than the built in one |
| 00:13.25 | LinuxCode | and less jittery |
| 00:13.28 | daveux | Ok, I'll check it out. |
| 00:13.42 | johnx | daveux, downloads.maemo.org: omweather is a nice weather applet |
| 00:13.55 | LinuxCode | daveux, linux user ? |
| 00:13.59 | daveux | Yes. |
| 00:14.01 | daveux | Also, I'm having trouble re-arranging my panel. |
| 00:14.05 | LinuxCode | xchat, amsn user ? |
| 00:14.11 | daveux | xchat |
| 00:14.20 | daveux | (IRC in pidgin) |
| 00:14.21 | daveux | haha |
| 00:14.23 | fugitivo | amsn for maemo? |
| 00:14.32 | LinuxCode | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 00:14.49 | fugitivo | i want bitchx for maemo :) |
| 00:14.58 | LinuxCode | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ |
| 00:15.03 | LinuxCode | last one is amsn |
| 00:15.15 | LinuxCode | made by the amsn guy |
| 00:15.21 | fugitivo | does the webcam works with amsn? |
| 00:15.25 | LinuxCode | yes sir |
| 00:15.33 | daveux | I wish someone would create a sexy gmail app. |
| 00:15.37 | LinuxCode | <--- was well impressed |
| 00:15.38 | fugitivo | that's great news for a friend |
| 00:15.54 | fugitivo | he complains because he can't use the webcam with anyone |
| 00:15.58 | fugitivo | he's going to be happy |
| 00:16.16 | LinuxCode | fugitivo, will he buy me a pint ? |
| 00:16.20 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 00:16.24 | LinuxCode | that happy ? |
| 00:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | daveux, it's called "Modest". |
| 00:16.44 | fugitivo | if you come to Argentina sure he will |
| 00:16.55 | LinuxCode | fugitivo, ok |
| 00:16.58 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 00:17.12 | LinuxCode | thats a long travel sir |
| 00:17.36 | fugitivo | where are you from? |
| 00:17.42 | daveux | Oh, mplayer is just for movies. |
| 00:17.48 | daveux | I just listen to music. |
| 00:17.55 | fugitivo | daveux: no, you can use it for anything |
| 00:18.00 | ds3 | mplayer is a media player |
| 00:18.13 | fugitivo | m(edia)player :) |
| 00:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | Try Kagu or UKMP or summuch for music. |
| 00:19.11 | daveux | Hmm, doesn't want to play anything but video on maemo. |
| 00:19.34 | LinuxCode | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 00:19.41 | LinuxCode | daveux, you might find that link interesting |
| 00:19.41 | daveux | I tried Kagu and UKMP, and they both really fritzed out on me. |
| 00:19.49 | LinuxCode | but beware...not everything will work |
| 00:19.53 | LinuxCode | due to dependencies |
| 00:19.58 | LinuxCode | be very picky! |
| 00:21.45 | fugitivo | ohh, too bad the video window is not in the same window as the chat |
| 00:21.45 | lcdd | ukmp was interesting. it played something but the sound was loud and clipping. even after shutting the tablet down it still continued for 5 seconds or so |
| 00:22.04 | lcdd | in the charging screen that is |
| 00:22.12 | daveux | Also, they way ukmp (or Kagu) played my ogg files sounded like shit. |
| 00:24.04 | daveux | So, is it possible to add/remove apps in the organize applications dialog in the panel preferenceS? |
| 00:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | No, that's not what that's for. |
| 00:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | You want Application Manager. |
| 00:24.30 | LinuxCode | bloody hell |
| 00:24.43 | LinuxCode | £90million in the jackpot |
| 00:24.46 | LinuxCode | lool |
| 00:24.48 | daveux | No, I don't want to install/uninstall them. |
| 00:24.56 | LinuxCode | whoever wins that will be a happy bunny |
| 00:25.00 | LinuxCode | open a datacenter |
| 00:25.07 | LinuxCode | fund a few opensource projects |
| 00:25.14 | LinuxCode | and live at the beach somewhere |
| 00:25.31 | Tama^2 | daveux: settings, panels, organise |
| 00:25.33 | fugitivo | LinuxCode: and then? |
| 00:25.40 | LinuxCode | enjoy life ? |
| 00:25.44 | fugitivo | LinuxCode: and then? :) |
| 00:25.49 | LinuxCode | develop for the N810 |
| 00:25.51 | GeneralAntilles | daveux, what's your intention, then? |
| 00:25.53 | fugitivo | LinuxCode: that's too much for one person |
| 00:25.53 | LinuxCode | or pay people to |
| 00:26.01 | LinuxCode | pay 20 people |
| 00:26.13 | Tama^2 | daveux: you can move them around, you cannot remove them |
| 00:26.14 | daveux | So, my "My selection" category has Skype in it - I'd like that gone. |
| 00:26.20 | LinuxCode | or pay the maintainers of packages to port stuff to N810 |
| 00:26.25 | daveux | That's just an add for skype. |
| 00:26.47 | LinuxCode | fugitivo, tbh mate |
| 00:27.00 | LinuxCode | Id probabbly pay people to make fedora arm work properly |
| 00:27.03 | johnx | I'm not sure, you might be able to use that to install skype then uninstall it to get rid of all the skype icons... |
| 00:27.12 | zerojay | Yeah |
| 00:27.14 | LinuxCode | as its very develop status |
| 00:27.17 | LinuxCode | atm |
| 00:27.40 | daveux | LinuxCode, so I was thinking about a similar situation - what if I were Steve Jobs, with $18bn in the bank and running Apple? |
| 00:28.01 | LinuxCode | daveux, Id be like Mark Shuttleworth |
| 00:28.04 | daveux | I would buy all the patents and licences that make OS X closed source, then release it all under GPL. |
| 00:28.07 | LinuxCode | who funds ubuntu |
| 00:28.15 | LinuxCode | daveux, haha |
| 00:28.19 | fugitivo | I want to use the tablet as a diskless terminal |
| 00:28.19 | daveux | Just buy up BSD, let it free. |
| 00:28.22 | zerojay | daveux: That would be hard considering some of it is already BSD. |
| 00:28.24 | LinuxCode | fuck software patents |
| 00:28.29 | LinuxCode | they dont even count in the EU |
| 00:28.34 | LinuxCode | spend ya money on something else |
| 00:28.35 | fugitivo | oh that'd be cool, boot minimyth on it using the network |
| 00:28.35 | johnx | fugitivo, an x terminal? |
| 00:28.42 | LinuxCode | like making a distro based in the EU |
| 00:28.53 | LinuxCode | better way to spen your money |
| 00:28.55 | LinuxCode | spend |
| 00:29.11 | fugitivo | johnx: booting the OS through the network |
| 00:29.29 | LinuxCode | pxe boot |
| 00:29.33 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 00:29.35 | fugitivo | yes |
| 00:29.55 | johnx | fugitivo, uhm why? |
| 00:30.07 | LinuxCode | if somebody wrote a bootloader like I have for my Jornada 710 to load familiar |
| 00:30.08 | johnx | fugitivo, though actually I know how ... |
| 00:30.15 | fugitivo | i have several mini-itx in my house booting minimyth |
| 00:30.20 | LinuxCode | you could probably do it |
| 00:30.37 | LinuxCode | it resets wince into the system state |
| 00:30.42 | LinuxCode | and you can boot linux |
| 00:30.49 | fugitivo | johnx: because I like diskless terminals :) |
| 00:31.04 | johnx | you could probably get it working pretty well using fanoush's modified initfs |
| 00:31.07 | LinuxCode | pitty I never had a flashbaord for it |
| 00:31.21 | LinuxCode | it would have been like a N810 years ago |
| 00:31.24 | fugitivo | yes, i'm reading http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 00:31.29 | johnx | just bring up wifi inside the initfs (left as an exercise for the reader :) ) |
| 00:31.44 | LinuxCode | fugitivo, let me know how that goes please |
| 00:31.44 | johnx | mount nfs share, and pivot_root |
| 00:32.18 | LinuxCode | I was pondering to do that to boot the fedora arm rootfs |
| 00:32.21 | johnx | though I think an x-terminal sounds more interesting :D |
| 00:32.22 | fugitivo | i'll need to compile a kernel |
| 00:32.47 | johnx | fugitivo, for nfs? |
| 00:32.54 | jott | speaking of.. is there a working nx client for os2008? |
| 00:33.17 | johnx | LinuxCode, read my thing on Debian wiki, specifically the "How I did it" section for some (very hacky) ideas |
| 00:33.29 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 00:33.32 | LinuxCode | smack me with the |
| 00:33.34 | LinuxCode | link |
| 00:33.35 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 00:33.42 | LinuxCode | beat me to it |
| 00:33.43 | fugitivo | well, i'll start with the experiment when my n810 arrives |
| 00:34.05 | fugitivo | so i can break my 770 and keep a working tablet for development :) |
| 00:34.25 | johnx | sounds reasonable :) |
| 00:35.31 | johnx | LinuxCode, though really, why fedora over debian? :P |
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| 00:38.40 | LinuxCode | I laways use and liked fedora |
| 00:38.43 | LinuxCode | used |
| 00:39.58 | johnx | I guess so... |
| 00:40.15 | LinuxCode | what does it use as window manager ? |
| 00:40.15 | johnx | there are really a lot more packages for Debian armel...including hildon |
| 00:40.34 | LinuxCode | well sounds like a lot of stuff still doesnt work |
| 00:40.58 | johnx | yeah, it won't work in fedora either...in fact I can pretty much guarantee that less stuff will work |
| 00:41.18 | johnx | are you reading the "How I did it" or the status at the top? |
| 00:41.24 | LinuxCode | status |
| 00:41.33 | johnx | yeah, that's pretty current :/ |
| 00:41.34 | LinuxCode | im flying overit all |
| 00:41.51 | LinuxCode | what window manager is used ? |
| 00:42.00 | johnx | I'm using hildon-desktop |
| 00:42.08 | Lateralus | when unloading an applet is any other function hit after lib_deinitialize? |
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| 00:42.59 | johnx | In a previous version I was using matchbox wm (w/ matchbox desktop and panel) |
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| 00:53.52 | LinuxCode | johnx, k |
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| 01:08.22 | legind | so is this new Video Center better than gpodder? |
| 01:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | They're . . . different. |
| 01:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | I use Canola2 for podcasts, though. |
| 01:15.47 | LinuxCode | nn all |
| 01:15.48 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
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| 01:43.23 | Tama^2 | does anyone use canola 2 on a regular basis? |
| 01:44.55 | dphil9000 | Just installed it 5 minutes ago |
| 01:45.36 | dphil9000 | Now to get some videos loaded on this thing |
| 01:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, yes, mostly for podcasts. |
| 01:50.57 | Tama^2 | good, I am running some battery draining tests for idle mode so I cannot try it myself |
| 01:51.05 | Tama^2 | at the moment at least |
| 01:51.24 | Tama^2 | the videos I found online are cool, too cool to be true ;) |
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| 02:29.57 | geneven | what's the n8xx way to run chron, or schedule a program? |
| 02:30.13 | johnx | install crond |
| 02:30.33 | geneven | thanks |
| 02:31.05 | johnx | there is something called alarmtool and alarmd that should be able to technically do it, but it looked like a pain to me |
| 02:31.10 | johnx | so I compiled cron |
| 02:31.36 | johnx | http://sheeplauncher.net/cron_3.0pl1-100_armel.deb |
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| 02:40.55 | dphil9000 | Anybody know where to find a standard ftp client for maemo? |
| 02:42.51 | johnx | if you search for ftp on garage.maemo.org you'll find a couple ... but I don't know how well they work |
| 02:42.57 | dphil9000 | I tried ncftp from the elkins.org repository, but its features seem a bit odd |
| 02:43.12 | dphil9000 | Ok tks |
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| 02:55.23 | braddbr | .hi, i am trying to navigate to my memory card in applications manager but cannot find the card.. is there a setting that lets me browse the whole filesystem? |
| 02:56.40 | johnx | are you talking about an SD card or the internal flash on the device? |
| 02:56.55 | braddbr | (this is a n800 and i have uploaded from my mac to one of the SD cards and wish to install the software) |
| 02:57.04 | braddbr | an SD |
| 02:57.29 | johnx | you should be able to see your whole SD card... |
| 02:57.32 | GeneralAntilles | "Uploaded"? What software? |
| 02:57.41 | braddbr | freeciv and nethack |
| 02:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | "Uploaded"? |
| 02:57.57 | braddbr | i just threw them in the root folder of my SD cards |
| 02:58.07 | braddbr | (plugged in usb cable and transferred them over) |
| 02:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | Did you unplug the USB cable from the Mac? |
| 02:58.15 | braddbr | nope |
| 02:58.17 | oil | with ermining I can sync google calendar with gpe-calendar. is there an similar app for the google notes? |
| 02:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | There's your problem |
| 02:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | Unmount the cards |
| 02:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | (eject) |
| 02:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | and disconnect the cable. |
| 02:58.42 | braddbr | ahh, that did it.. thank you |
| 03:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | GA's Pedantry of the Day: "Uploading" has to do with network transfers. Moving a file over USB or to another disk or somesuch is just "copying" or "transferring". ;) |
| 03:01.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so did you check out Debian? |
| 03:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 03:02.09 | johnx | not quite up to your usability standards? :P |
| 03:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | Extracted it onto the second ext2 partition |
| 03:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | It failed on /var or somesuch |
| 03:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | wouldn't boot |
| 03:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | then the OS2008 partition wouldn't boot |
| 03:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | I gave up. |
| 03:02.31 | johnx | ugh |
| 03:02.36 | johnx | that's lame |
| 03:02.46 | johnx | I guess I should test writing it back to my card to see |
| 03:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Reformatted and repartitioned and now I can't mount /dev/mmcblk0p[23] to copy over the OS2008 from internal flash |
| 03:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | so, meh. |
| 03:03.21 | johnx | ah, sounds like your card might have issues |
| 03:03.26 | GeneralAntilles | Probably something on my end since the OS2008 partition was also fubared. |
| 03:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Reformatted to FAT32. |
| 03:04.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's fine now. |
| 03:04.06 | johnx | you can fsck -c to check for badblocks on ext2 |
| 03:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there were a lot. |
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| 03:04.19 | johnx | aaaah |
| 03:04.25 | johnx | ok, that's a card issue |
| 03:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't let me run -a |
| 03:04.39 | johnx | heh |
| 03:04.45 | johnx | I think you can force it :) |
| 03:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Wish Nokia would release a firmware update so I could justify investing the time to wipe and start over. |
| 03:05.16 | johnx | heh |
| 03:05.32 | johnx | I did a wipe, then made a pristine backup of the internal flash |
| 03:05.53 | johnx | I'll probably make a baseline "ready to run" setup |
| 03:06.03 | johnx | maybe I'll even go nuts and put it in version control or something |
| 03:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:08.02 | johnx | it's so handy to have a "known good" setup I can just rsync onto my card |
| 03:08.15 | johnx | I really should try and get /home to be on a separate partition... |
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| 03:23.46 | nelson | Does anybody know if Betty can work with up to 6 volts on the charger input? |
| 03:24.18 | GeneralAntilles | Betty? |
| 03:24.30 | johnx | Betty = N800 of course |
| 03:24.33 | nelson | A chip in the N800. |
| 03:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | He could be trying to plug the Nokia charger into his wife. |
| 03:25.01 | johnx | I figured it was a nickname for his N800 actually |
| 03:25.16 | johnx | hmm...I thought I remembered someone testing |
| 03:25.18 | nelson | No, it's the name of a "kitchen sink" chip. |
| 03:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | You know what happens when you assume, johnx? |
| 03:25.30 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I get a cookie? |
| 03:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | Of course! |
| 03:25.39 | johnx | woo |
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| 03:27.27 | johnx | lots of posts with "voltage" in them on itt :/ |
| 03:30.01 | oil | gee. either my holux gps or maemomapper can not cope with speed. I tried holux gps & N800 with maemomapper on a flight and with the speed over 1000km/h or 1024km/h it started to show speeds 1-5km/h (eg. actual speed is 1005 and mapper show 5km/h) |
| 03:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | GPS, oil. |
| 03:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | My i-blue worked fine at around 575MPH. |
| 03:31.08 | oil | GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. need to test some other time as well with different application. |
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| 03:33.28 | johnx | nelson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10535 |
| 03:33.39 | johnx | I don't know if that's what you need to know but it might be a place to start... |
| 03:37.27 | nelson | johnx: tnx. |
| 03:37.38 | nelson | oil: yes, that's by design. |
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| 03:37.52 | nelson | oil: keeps you from putting a consumer GPS receiver into a missile. |
| 03:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:38.36 | johnx | sure...but you'll have to tell me what you have planned :) |
| 03:38.36 | oil | nelson: hoho :) |
| 03:40.24 | oil | 'only cruise misssiles supported' should be printed on the selling package :) |
| 03:40.58 | Tama^2 | except by keeping a queue of last reads you can establish how fast you go anyway |
| 03:41.06 | Tama^2 | so much for the antiterror br |
| 03:41.10 | Tama^2 | *bs |
| 03:41.39 | johnx | and they just *wrap* the speed around? not have it print NaN? |
| 03:42.11 | Tama^2 | Manager: Hey we need to comply with the new regulation |
| 03:42.28 | Tama^2 | Programmer: no problem! *tap* *tap* |
| 03:42.41 | Tama^2 | Screen: val = val & 0x0fff; |
| 03:42.49 | Tama^2 | Programmer: There you go! |
| 03:42.49 | johnx | heh |
| 03:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think it's actually a technical limitation |
| 03:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | rather than an in-built limitation |
| 03:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | but I could be wrong. |
| 03:43.31 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical a limitation |
| 03:43.40 | Tama^2 | s/a // |
| 03:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | Right, like I said. |
| 03:43.50 | Tama^2 | love you infobot |
| 03:44.07 | Tama^2 | I was confirming you point |
| 03:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks. :D |
| 03:44.27 | Tama^2 | but it came out like that |
| 03:44.30 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 03:49.10 | elb | is there a way I can get the current wireless network's ssid from the shell is OS2008? |
| 03:49.12 | nelson | johnx: simple enough: hot-melt-glue a steel plate to the back of my n810. similarly glue two hard drive magnets to a four D-cell battery case. Wire the batteries to an appropriate 2mm power plug. |
| 03:49.13 | elb | I don't have iwconfig |
| 03:49.27 | nelson | elb: iwconfig .... hrm. |
| 03:50.55 | johnx | elb, wireless-tools |
| 03:51.08 | johnx | nelson, that sounds a little bulky, but pretty neat |
| 03:51.21 | elb | not installable in my current setup, must be on a different repository |
| 03:51.38 | nelson | johnx: bulk ... I don't care about. Being able to use my n810 ALL DAY LONG? Priceless. |
| 03:51.49 | johnx | elb, gronmayer has the answers :) |
| 03:52.12 | elb | hmmm I thought his repository was in my applications |
| 03:52.16 | johnx | how much capacity is that compared to the internal battery? |
| 03:52.25 | johnx | gronmayer is a list of repositories |
| 03:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | elb, gronmayer is an index. :P |
| 03:52.31 | johnx | http://gronmayer.com/it |
| 03:52.48 | johnx | a "repository" of repositories if you will |
| 03:53.40 | elb | oh, I thought that was a dude's name |
| 03:53.40 | oil | I'm using E61i as an charging station for N810 :) |
| 03:53.48 | elb | I have some g-named dude's repository in my apt ;-) |
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| 03:55.17 | nelson | johnx: three times. |
| 03:55.36 | johnx | nelson, quite nice |
| 03:55.42 | johnx | elb, er...it is a guy's name...but on his website he has a list of repositories... |
| 03:55.46 | nelson | johnx: so ... four times the regular battery's lifetime. |
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| 04:04.46 | rm_you | johnx: have you tried this grandcentral thing? |
| 04:04.58 | rm_you | you could get a free US phone number for calling in the US from your n800 :P |
| 04:06.52 | johnx | rm_you, I haven't looked at it yet |
| 04:06.59 | johnx | I put up the new debian BTW |
| 04:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's epic win if your card doesn't fail. |
| 04:07.17 | johnx | I have to run an errand in a little bit, but I'll be back in a couple hours |
| 04:08.17 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, even if it looks like the card works with FAT16/32/whatever, I'd really run a good fs check on it and if it fails in any way, RMA that thing |
| 04:09.07 | rm_you | johnx: posted where? |
| 04:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | There an option I should use with fsck to do a thorough check? |
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| 04:10.22 | johnx | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 04:10.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, -c I think |
| 04:10.45 | johnx | or -C if you really want to spend some time and get a reliable answer |
| 04:10.57 | johnx | err |
| 04:10.59 | johnx | not -C |
| 04:11.30 | johnx | hey...that sucks...it's a different flag for fsck.vfat vs fsck.ext2 |
| 04:11.31 | johnx | one sec |
| 04:11.38 | rm_you | -cc |
| 04:11.43 | smackpotato | rm_you: ipkall gives free washinton state numbers as well |
| 04:11.45 | rm_you | does the nondestructive readwrite |
| 04:11.54 | rm_you | smackpotato: i already have one of those :P |
| 04:12.14 | rm_you | as most of the time i live there ^_^ |
| 04:12.16 | johnx | rm_you, for dosfsck? |
| 04:12.21 | rm_you | johnx: oh :/ |
| 04:12.30 | rm_you | johnx: ext2/3 :/ |
| 04:13.01 | rm_you | yeah i was typing before i read your last few lines |
| 04:13.24 | rm_you | i'm working on a python GUI for calling with GrandCentral |
| 04:13.30 | rm_you | using curl and some hax |
| 04:13.38 | smackpotato | cool |
| 04:13.43 | rm_you | wherein you could just type in a phone number and hit call |
| 04:13.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, try just filling the card with data and see if it fails |
| 04:13.56 | rm_you | as opposed to their retarded address book / browser system |
| 04:15.14 | johnx | anyways...I'm out of here for a while |
| 04:15.17 | rm_you | l8r |
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| 04:16.45 | smackpotato | i should of ask him what he knows of x being as his nick is johnx |
| 04:18.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, so are things stable enough for you to fix the remaining GUI issues? :P |
| 04:22.33 | rm_you | ah, with adv-backlight? |
| 04:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. |
| 04:22.41 | rm_you | possibly |
| 04:22.41 | oil | hmm.. we need documentation for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of shell scripting :) |
| 04:22.55 | GeneralAntilles | Documentation of what? |
| 04:23.15 | rm_you | oil: we need shell scripts for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of documentation :P |
| 04:23.27 | oil | I tried to figure out how to export adressbook information so that I could import it to mysql db .. and then import back to n800 |
| 04:25.07 | oil | found this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/using_maemo_address_book_apis.html#includes and it's way too complicated for me :) I need simple command line examples :) |
| 04:25.16 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what were the main remaining problems again? |
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| 04:26.54 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: like, what would you put as the highest priority |
| 04:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't go away when it loses focus |
| 04:27.05 | rm_you | ah |
| 04:27.07 | rm_you | actually |
| 04:27.10 | rm_you | i have the fix for that |
| 04:27.18 | rm_you | already mostly done |
| 04:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | it needs to capture taps outside of its window so you can tap in other places to remove focus. |
| 04:27.25 | rm_you | give me a few minutes :P |
| 04:27.29 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no, actually |
| 04:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | NOW! |
| 04:27.45 | rm_you | you'd laugh if i told you |
| 04:27.54 | rm_you | it made me scream when i saw |
| 04:28.10 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.51 | pupnik | http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Buchanan_McCain_win_means_war_with_0128.html |
| 04:32.04 | pupnik | oop wrong chan |
| 04:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 04:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | Bring on the end! |
| 04:33.10 | johnx | oil, |
| 04:33.12 | johnx | May:~# file /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db |
| 04:33.12 | johnx | /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) |
| 04:44.02 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it's misbehaving >_> |
| 04:46.40 | oil | johnx: thanks. I'll try to get that one extracted |
| 04:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | LIke I keep telling you, do it right then. |
| 04:47.04 | oil | johnx: and thanks for the tip, that there is file as well for maemo :) |
| 04:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | Just think of all the time you'd've saved if Nokia would release the source to their stupid statusbar applets. |
| 04:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | Let the hate grow. |
| 04:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | Nurture it. |
| 04:48.12 | hahlo | they have ruined debian |
| 04:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 04:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's not Debian. :P |
| 04:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's maemo. |
| 04:48.30 | zerojay | I don't think that could be possible. |
| 04:48.44 | hahlo | some derivate then |
| 04:48.44 | zerojay | Debian was ruined a long long time ago first. |
| 04:49.02 | hahlo | things like fakedebconf |
| 04:49.39 | hahlo | stripped down gnupg |
| 04:51.06 | rm_you | rofl |
| 04:51.19 | rm_you | i hate that |
| 04:51.34 | rm_you | i was like "it's almost like nothing i change is taking effect!" |
| 04:51.47 | rm_you | >_< |
| 04:52.15 | hahlo | they probably violated unix principals too |
| 04:52.39 | zerojay | Which doesn't matter since it's not Unix. |
| 04:53.16 | hahlo | then it's not linux either |
| 04:53.28 | hahlo | it is rubber boot |
| 04:53.30 | zerojay | That makes zero sense. |
| 04:56.02 | pupnik | then install johnx's debian onto the tablet |
| 04:56.08 | hahlo | no passwds and such |
| 04:56.25 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.28 | hahlo | single user thing |
| 04:56.40 | oil | well. nokia used to make rubber boots, so maybe maemo is just going back to the basics :) |
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| 05:05.13 | fysa | adv-backlight is totally hot. |
| 05:05.24 | fysa | thanks btw, rm_you |
| 05:05.47 | pupnik | that allows more backlight levels? |
| 05:05.55 | rm_you | lol, np :P |
| 05:05.58 | hahlo | oil: true |
| 05:06.00 | fysa | much lower backlight level |
| 05:06.17 | fysa | perfect for bed/lights off use |
| 05:10.01 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: other bugs? |
| 05:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | No border |
| 05:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | That's about it. |
| 05:10.14 | rm_you | bleh |
| 05:10.20 | rm_you | that's STILL annoying the crap out of me |
| 05:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | Focus issues are the ones people bitch about. |
| 05:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Border is meh |
| 05:10.35 | rm_you | yeah i think it's better |
| 05:10.39 | rm_you | oo sec |
| 05:11.21 | fysa | yeah, I'd like for it to disappear when it loses focus. |
| 05:12.11 | fysa | (which means it should probably steal focus when it opens?) |
| 05:14.12 | fysa | for some reason the backlight never went off last night, and it wasn't plugged in. |
| 05:14.34 | fysa | I couldn't get it to go off so I let it sit there at level 2 or 3, still on and more than half battery in the morning |
| 05:14.39 | fysa | nothing else was running, mind you ;) |
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| 05:21.10 | pupnik | So is anybody working on the dspoggsink? i guess something didn't work out? |
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| 05:42.08 | rm_you | damn, i don't remember how i built this deb >_> |
| 05:42.13 | rm_you | i have the stuff set up... |
| 05:42.17 | rm_you | but just the command >_< |
| 05:45.09 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles / fysa: if you want to try it out, the new version is at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so |
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| 05:45.18 | rm_you | i cant remember how to package this >_> i'll have to ask inz |
| 05:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | Fail |
| 05:45.32 | GeneralAntilles | Remind me where I need to put this. |
| 05:45.45 | rm_you | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-backlight.so |
| 05:46.03 | rm_you | heh |
| 05:46.10 | rm_you | remember to unload the old one before you copy over it :P |
| 05:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | Reinstalled Leopard and forgot to backup my scripts. :( |
| 05:47.00 | rm_you | :( |
| 05:47.13 | rm_you | anyways, 0.6 is a major improvement IMO |
| 05:51.47 | rm_you | tell me what you think of that |
| 05:51.49 | rm_you | at some point |
| 05:51.57 | rm_you | meanwhile, i have a book to read / paper to write |
| 05:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Alright |
| 05:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | 'night then. |
| 05:52.24 | rm_you | it's better in like 3 ways :P |
| 05:52.29 | rm_you | lol, night?! pfft |
| 05:52.36 | rm_you | still gotta sit here and read a 200 page book :P |
| 05:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'll give you feedback as soon as my device stops being lame. |
| 05:53.57 | rm_you | lol |
| 05:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, did I show you my new boot screens? |
| 05:55.17 | rm_you | no? |
| 05:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip |
| 05:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it looks better, and gives up focus when you tap the status-bar/task-bar |
| 05:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | but not when you tap the desktop |
| 05:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | That's just funky. |
| 05:56.09 | rm_you | lol |
| 05:56.15 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 05:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nor on applications |
| 05:56.21 | GeneralAntilles | How'd you manage that? |
| 05:56.23 | rm_you | well |
| 05:56.28 | rm_you | it's using... get this... |
| 05:56.44 | rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupWindow.html |
| 05:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | Same as the tooltip thing for OMWeather? |
| 05:58.51 | rm_you | i guess? >_> |
| 05:58.52 | rm_you | dunno |
| 05:58.58 | rm_you | and i shoved it in a GtkFrame for a border |
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| 05:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world is Nokia using for theirs? <_< |
| 05:59.58 | rm_you | *I DONT NOW* |
| 06:00.04 | rm_you | s/NOW/KNOW/ |
| 06:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 06:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the next step towards the perfect applet is to put a volume slider in there. |
| 06:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Think you could manage that? |
| 06:00.27 | rm_you | ?? |
| 06:00.31 | rm_you | so you can do both at once? |
| 06:00.32 | pupnik | god i want sound blaster emulation running on the DSP so badly |
| 06:00.38 | rm_you | yeah... that would be easy as cake >_> |
| 06:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | Do it. |
| 06:00.44 | pupnik | and i can't do a damn thing about it |
| 06:00.45 | rm_you | why? >_> |
| 06:00.50 | rm_you | so you can cut down on applets? |
| 06:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just need to split the icon so it shows both. |
| 06:00.53 | rm_you | i guess i could |
| 06:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yessir. |
| 06:00.53 | rm_you | sec |
| 06:01.30 | pupnik | it would massively speed up all emulators and game engines that use the sound blaster - dosbox, freesci come to mind |
| 06:01.33 | pupnik | also scummvm |
| 06:01.54 | pupnik | maybe i can get some profiling done this weekend |
| 06:02.08 | pupnik | right now dosbox CROAKS when enabling SB16 emulation |
| 06:02.16 | pupnik | 1600+ cycles without sb, 400 cycles with |
| 06:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, where's our emu genius, pupnik? |
| 06:02.33 | pupnik | WE DON'T HAVE ONE |
| 06:03.11 | pupnik | anyway back to work on Exult here. Segfault hunting |
| 06:04.14 | pupnik | oh and exult could use SB on DSP also |
| 06:04.28 | pupnik | I should make a list |
| 06:05.06 | pupnik | btw just tested some more dosbox apps. Wing commander could eventually be playable (with SB on DSP) |
| 06:05.18 | pupnik | and Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 could be playable (with SB on DSP) |
| 06:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | Where do we send the bribe money, pupnik? |
| 06:06.18 | rm_you | sonofabitch |
| 06:06.33 | Tama^2 | say that I can have a license for codecomposer |
| 06:06.38 | Tama^2 | and the software of course |
| 06:07.02 | Tama^2 | is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway) |
| 06:07.06 | Tama^2 | ? |
| 06:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | What's TI charging for a dev kit? |
| 06:07.40 | Tama^2 | a lot but I work for a company that manufactures DSP based audio cards ;) |
| 06:08.03 | Tama^2 | and they use code composer... |
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| 06:08.35 | fysa | I have $50 toward an N810 for an emulator genius. |
| 06:08.36 | GeneralAntilles | TI is retarded. |
| 06:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | You make the dev stuff free and increase the value of your hardware by huge amounts. |
| 06:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | When are the dinosaurs gonna die so we can have awesome technology? |
| 06:10.12 | Tama^2 | pupnik: is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway) |
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| 06:12.12 | fysa | how do I add debian packages to my scratchbox again? |
| 06:12.21 | fysa | or was that just for source? |
| 06:12.25 | pupnik_ | source? |
| 06:12.37 | pupnik_ | you might be able to run some armel binaries, dunno |
| 06:12.38 | fysa | maybe I'm dreaming. |
| 06:12.49 | fysa | compiling things like automake is silly. |
| 06:13.34 | pupnik_ | i had to compile a ton of basic tools over the past year |
| 06:13.49 | pupnik_ | luckily chinook sdk seems to have more current ones |
| 06:14.16 | rm_you | anyone know offhand how i want to go about getting/setting gconf values in C? |
| 06:14.25 | fysa | maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0? |
| 06:14.26 | rm_you | a link to an API or something would be super excellent |
| 06:14.28 | pupnik_ | fysa: you can get automake1.7-1.9 in chinook |
| 06:14.43 | pupnik_ | just apt-get install it |
| 06:14.49 | fysa | aha, yes, thank you. |
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| 06:15.22 | pupnik_ | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 06:15.30 | pupnik_ | you can also add stuff like that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:15.36 | fysa | doh |
| 06:15.43 | fysa | configure.ac:22: require Automake 1.9.6, but have 1.9.5 |
| 06:16.55 | pupnik_ | i think you edit aclocal.m4 to reduce that number |
| 06:17.06 | pupnik_ | not sure |
| 06:17.36 | fysa | ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/Sourceware/automake/automake-1.10.tar.gz |
| 06:17.45 | fysa | yes, debian source is a good idea. |
| 06:17.54 | fysa | then you can steal from their debian/ ;) |
| 06:18.18 | pupnik_ | rm_you: see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
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| 06:26.18 | pupnik | rm_you: did you get the link? |
| 06:26.31 | rm_you | yeah |
| 06:26.37 | rm_you | thanks :) |
| 06:26.42 | rm_you | will have to read later |
| 06:26.48 | rm_you | i want to sleep tonight, and i have a paper to write :/ |
| 06:26.50 | pupnik | np. didn't know if it made it before i disconnected |
| 06:26.53 | pupnik | ok cheers |
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| 07:15.01 | |tbb| | morning all |
| 07:17.03 | pupnik | huhu |
| 07:18.15 | Blafasel | moin |
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| 07:19.32 | solmumaha | morning |
| 07:25.31 | n0ob_ | good morning |
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| 07:44.53 | proteous | installing win2k on a raid 5 array of 7 disks with a hardware raid controler takes like 1 minute :) |
| 07:45.25 | proteous | formating an 8 gig partition with NTFS takes like 15 seconds |
| 07:47.50 | hachi | ARRGHHHHH |
| 07:48.00 | hachi | my 810 just rebooted on its own |
| 07:48.08 | proteous | it's like magic!! |
| 07:48.14 | hachi | something is seriously wrong with this platform |
| 07:48.23 | proteous | :/ |
| 07:48.35 | hachi | I'm sitting 5 feet from it, can't have been any action on my part |
| 07:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | One of the watchdog's watched things crashed. |
| 07:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, you might consider flashing and restarting with Claws mail. |
| 07:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | Modest is awesome, but it's not 100% and some of the bugs bug some people a lot. |
| 07:51.22 | hachi | I tried claws and the interface was awful |
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| 07:53.38 | proteous | use ssh and mutt |
| 07:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 07:53.52 | n0ob_ | proteous: hehe |
| 07:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | That'd work. |
| 07:53.54 | proteous | that's what I do |
| 07:54.11 | proteous | a screen session with mutt and irssi running in it on a remote server |
| 07:54.22 | proteous | can connect from anywhere I can get a ssh connection |
| 07:54.36 | proteous | check my email and chat |
| 07:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't screen the best? |
| 07:54.55 | proteous | yeah |
| 07:55.02 | hachi | I bought it for the purpose of having something that could blink at me when I needed to care |
| 07:55.20 | proteous | except when you do something screwy and get a screen inside screen thing going and the universe implodes |
| 07:55.21 | scibot | Anyone figured out how to do pixel doubling with pygame yet? |
| 07:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, goodnews is that it'll only be another month or two for the next firmware update and Modest will probably come out of beta then. |
| 07:56.03 | hachi | what was the point of the 700 series of this device though? |
| 07:56.13 | proteous | don't diss my 770 |
| 07:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | The 770 was awesome. |
| 07:56.18 | scibot | Prototype. |
| 07:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Still is awesome. |
| 07:56.33 | proteous | at least not until I get my 819 |
| 07:56.35 | proteous | er, 810 |
| 07:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, for all it's troubles, OS2005 was incredibly groundbreaking. |
| 07:56.39 | hachi | I'm sure it is, but what software did you use? |
| 07:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the same software you use now. |
| 07:56.52 | scibot | YAY FLASHBLOCK! |
| 07:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Just in earlier version. |
| 07:56.59 | GeneralAntilles | s/version/versions/ |
| 07:57.03 | hachi | the email client uses up 100% cpu all the time, the IM client can't connect |
| 07:57.09 | proteous | the browser is more stable then yours! |
| 07:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Bull, proteous. :P |
| 07:57.27 | proteous | I just use the browser and xterm for ssh |
| 07:57.33 | proteous | and the audioplayer |
| 07:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'd still say the 770 makes the world's best ebook reader. |
| 07:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | Fantastic media remote. |
| 07:57.45 | proteous | with ssh I get email and IM+IRC |
| 07:57.53 | solmumaha | and a great navigator |
| 07:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, the IM client CAN connect. |
| 07:58.20 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of people are using it just fine. |
| 07:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | and e-mail using 100% is new to me. |
| 07:59.30 | hachi | I'm just sad because I bought this because openmoko wasn't ready |
| 07:59.36 | proteous | I've never opened the email or IM client on my 770 |
| 07:59.40 | hachi | nokia marketed it as though it would work better |
| 07:59.45 | proteous | heh |
| 08:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | and it does for a lot of people. |
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| 08:00.54 | proteous | the only reason I lust after a 810 is for the keyboard |
| 08:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | You've evidently entered an edge-case where problems crop up, though. |
| 08:01.17 | n0ob_ | hey folks: what is a "nokia av connector 3,5mm"? does this prevent using standard headphones? |
| 08:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | proteous, the N8x0s are so stupidly faster than the 770. |
| 08:01.23 | hachi | what items are watchdoged? |
| 08:01.32 | proteous | I don't really have any speed problems |
| 08:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | No, n0ob_. |
| 08:01.37 | proteous | although I can't complain about that |
| 08:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | It's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm jack found on 1000s of devices. |
| 08:01.45 | proteous | er, I wouldn't complain if I got more speed |
| 08:01.58 | n0ob_ | GeneralAntilles: thx |
| 08:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | You'll complain about the 770's speed when you get an N810. :P |
| 08:02.09 | proteous | lol |
| 08:02.24 | solmumaha | in most cases at least |
| 08:02.53 | inz | hachi, have you ever seen a company market it's product as unfinished and buggy? |
| 08:03.17 | inz | hachi, except FIC with Neo, of course, but they're not marketing to the great public |
| 08:03.24 | hachi | I have one of those |
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| 08:03.53 | hachi | I'm glad it was a gift, didn't have to buy it |
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| 08:25.01 | hachi | okay then... if I'm gonna give claws a shot... I'm trying to find a way to unsubscribe from all the folders except inbox |
| 08:25.13 | hachi | it seems to subscribe to all by default |
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| 08:36.59 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:37.26 | Khertan | Is there a way to see/scan all available wifi AP in python ? |
| 08:42.57 | solmumaha | libconic? |
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| 08:47.43 | solmumaha | the lib itself was broken in ruby when i tried it, but the scanning worked fine |
| 08:51.57 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 08:52.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:54.54 | _collin_ | re |
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| 08:57.08 | Khertan | solmumaha > it s seems there is now libconic binding for python ... not ready yet |
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| 09:00.45 | Khertan | hum ... in fact it s seems avalaible : python-conics |
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| 09:03.11 | kennyyu_ | hi there, I've read this page (http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/ideintegration.html#AEN76) but aren't sure if I can start a debugger session (DDD) for debugging mozilla firefox-bin... actally, is it possible? |
| 09:04.06 | kennyyu_ | Or it would be grateful to let me know if there's anyone who's tried this before :) |
| 09:04.07 | kennyyu_ | thanks |
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| 09:14.10 | hrw | morning |
| 09:15.29 | Khertan | solmumaha > i get a strange error : connection !=NULL failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5154 |
| 09:15.37 | Khertan | morning hrw |
| 09:17.21 | solmumaha | Khertan: sry, not a python person so i can't help you there |
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| 09:17.51 | Khertan | solmumaha > no prob |
| 09:21.23 | maddler | morning all |
| 09:21.56 | solmumaha | Khertan: can you think of an app written with python that uses it? |
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| 09:29.41 | jku | Khertan, conic doesn't have api for getting list of all APs, IIRC |
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| 09:31.09 | solmumaha | oh |
| 09:31.36 | jku | con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps() only lists configured ones despite the name |
| 09:31.57 | jku | again, _if_ I recall correctly |
| 09:33.00 | solmumaha | is hcitool included on default? |
| 09:33.06 | solmumaha | ah, sry |
| 09:33.12 | solmumaha | bluetooth thing |
| 09:33.26 | solmumaha | any console app for scanning? |
| 09:34.00 | johnx | you could compile hcitool in scratchbox without too much work... |
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| 09:36.08 | jku | solmumaha you can use dbus (there's a python script somewhere in the internet) |
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| 09:53.42 | _collin_ | solmumaha: nop it is not |
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| 09:54.10 | _collin_ | solmumaha: if you wait until the weekend ... there will be something |
| 09:54.17 | _collin_ | I had a package for bluez-utils |
| 09:54.27 | _collin_ | but it broke the rest of the bluetooth stuff |
| 09:54.45 | _collin_ | so now I'm going to make a package with just the missing binaries |
| 09:55.16 | Blafasel | Nice.. Support for the bluetooth scanner package of yours? ;) |
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| 09:55.25 | _collin_ | yes |
| 09:55.30 | _collin_ | also for my keyboard |
| 09:55.55 | _collin_ | it needs to reconfigure the bluetooth device type so it looks like a keyboard when a PC is scanning |
| 09:56.49 | hahlo | is /media/mmc2 inner sd card? |
| 09:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 09:59.41 | hahlo | thanks |
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| 10:00.41 | hahlo | got bigger card inside, i do partitions for that |
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| 10:10.53 | hahlo | omg i boot os2008 and got five big ? question marks on the screen |
| 10:11.20 | pupnik | wow |
| 10:11.37 | solmumaha | screenshot? |
| 10:11.44 | hahlo | they weren't in last boot |
| 10:12.01 | hahlo | solmumaha: how I get one? |
| 10:15.09 | hahlo | must be cause this pid cx3110x |
| 10:16.15 | solmumaha | install the load-applet |
| 10:16.32 | hahlo | ok |
| 10:16.46 | hahlo | device did reboot |
| 10:18.11 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=907&d=1201681972 lftp ftp client for Chinook |
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| 10:19.55 | pupnik | wb johnx |
| 10:20.43 | johnx | hi |
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| 10:21.29 | pupnik | wb ssvb :) |
| 10:21.59 | ssvb | pupnik: hi :) |
| 10:22.00 | johnx | eh, that's ok...I feel like a factoid bot sometimes |
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| 10:22.25 | hahlo | umount /media/mmc2 said Device or resource busy |
| 10:22.44 | pupnik | ssvb, is there a double-buffering 400x240 sdl in our future? |
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| 10:22.48 | johnx | try stopping metalayer crawler |
| 10:24.30 | hahlo | johnx: didn't help |
| 10:24.41 | ssvb | pupnik: theoretically it should be possible, but in practice it may require hacking kernel, xserver and libsdl (all of this stuff is part of the standard firmware) |
| 10:24.51 | johnx | hahlo, interesting |
| 10:25.03 | hahlo | killall metalayer-crawl |
| 10:25.16 | solmumaha | did it actually die? |
| 10:25.31 | ssvb | pupnik: ensuring compatibility with all the firmware versions may be not so easy |
| 10:25.42 | johnx | yeah I usually use its script under init.d |
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| 10:25.44 | hahlo | solmumaha: no it didn't |
| 10:25.52 | pupnik | ssvb, ok so the compatible way is to use xsp with sdl updaterect? |
| 10:26.31 | pupnik | things are basically ok as long as blits are 400x240, even with current sdl |
| 10:28.11 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, probably that's thme most compatible method right now (if xsp support will not be dropped), though it has many limitations |
| 10:29.10 | ssvb | pupnik: one more option is to hack xserver and add RGB support to Xv, this way it will be possible to use arbitrary scaling and tearsync |
| 10:29.26 | hahlo | seems unkillable this metalayer, what is it anyway? |
| 10:29.44 | pupnik | it crawls the filesystem to find media files, i think |
| 10:29.48 | ssvb | pupnik: but this will work only for N800/N810 |
| 10:30.09 | johnx | hahlo, did you try it's init script? |
| 10:30.32 | pupnik | ssvb, should i be disabling xsp doubling after every updaterect? |
| 10:30.34 | hahlo | i try that |
| 10:31.11 | ssvb | pupnik: I don't know, I stopped using xsp long ago :) |
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| 10:31.27 | hahlo | that helped |
| 10:31.32 | pupnik | oki. i will try to study mplayer sometime. thanks for the pioneering work! |
| 10:32.14 | hahlo | metalayer stopped but device still busy |
| 10:32.50 | hahlo | umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy |
| 10:33.12 | pupnik | lsof |grep mmc |
| 10:34.39 | hahlo | don't see mmc2 at all only mmc1 and mmc0 |
| 10:35.45 | pupnik | argh this distortion on N810 is k i l l i n g my ears |
| 10:36.10 | pupnik | sorry hahlo, then i don't know |
| 10:36.43 | hahlo | ok i got mmc2 anyway /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 |
| 10:37.32 | johnx | hahlo, just turn the tablet off, and pull the card |
| 10:38.09 | hahlo | can I do partions in pc? |
| 10:38.20 | johnx | under windows? |
| 10:38.24 | hahlo | no |
| 10:38.33 | johnx | linux with card reader? yeah |
| 10:38.42 | hahlo | debian gnu linux, ok |
| 10:38.48 | johnx | yeah |
| 10:38.57 | johnx | and you can use something better than sfdisk too |
| 10:39.05 | johnx | use cfdisk or gparted |
| 10:39.54 | hahlo | card got small swap can i keep that in it? |
| 10:40.31 | hahlo | 128mb swap partition in 2gb kingston |
| 10:40.48 | johnx | yeah, sure |
| 10:40.55 | hahlo | ok |
| 10:41.02 | johnx | just don't swap to any card that you don't have a good warranty on :P |
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| 10:45.09 | hahlo | johnx: how big fat partition needed? |
| 10:45.27 | hahlo | that 480mb? |
| 10:45.29 | johnx | I don't know |
| 10:45.40 | johnx | for debian? |
| 10:45.45 | hahlo | yes |
| 10:45.45 | johnx | or what? |
| 10:45.51 | hahlo | your system |
| 10:45.58 | johnx | it doesn't need a FAT partition at all |
| 10:46.02 | johnx | it needs an ext2 partition |
| 10:46.04 | johnx | or ext3 |
| 10:46.11 | hahlo | only one? |
| 10:46.33 | johnx | if you only want Debian it just needs one Ext2/3 partition |
| 10:46.46 | johnx | if you want to boot Debian and OS2008 off of SD then you need one partition for each |
| 10:47.02 | johnx | I just have my 2GB card as one ext3 partition |
| 10:47.39 | hahlo | so i make just one partition with fdisk |
| 10:48.21 | johnx | yes, you only need one partition |
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| 10:49.46 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:49.56 | johnx | 'mornin |
| 10:49.58 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 10:52.04 | pupnik | test your SD card speed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=788&d=1200124104 |
| 10:55.11 | hrw | pupnik: its no test |
| 10:55.25 | pupnik | i suppose so |
| 10:55.28 | hrw | pupnik: on tablets SD speed depends on CPU speed |
| 10:55.29 | pupnik | i get varying results |
| 10:55.55 | hrw | you need first to change cpufreq governor to 'performance' one, do test, switch back to 'ondeman' |
| 10:56.05 | hrw | otherwise it is useless test |
| 10:56.29 | hrw | and use hdparm instead of dd ;) |
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| 11:00.15 | pupnik | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:00.15 | pupnik | performance |
| 11:00.16 | pupnik | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:00.16 | pupnik | performance |
| 11:00.25 | pupnik | oop |
| 11:00.47 | pupnik | i will change script |
| 11:02.00 | pupnik | but i think cpu scaler might go to 400mhz with this dd anyway |
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| 11:02.16 | pupnik | will compare between performance and ondemand |
| 11:08.04 | lardman | hrw: why does bitbake only produce debs of some files? |
| 11:08.18 | hrw | lardman: use "-cbuildall" |
| 11:08.18 | lardman | Are they only the ones I've bitbaked directly? |
| 11:08.53 | hrw | lardman: yes - its due to fact that package tasks are not dependents of other tasks |
| 11:08.58 | lardman | ok |
| 11:09.29 | hahlo | johnx: how i untar xvjf or should i stick p too? |
| 11:09.37 | lardman | Octave appears broken, doesn't symlink its libraries from /usr/lib/octave-3.0.0/ to /usr/lib/, but this might be a postinst script failure I suppose |
| 11:09.51 | johnx | hahlo, what does p do? |
| 11:10.07 | johnx | ah |
| 11:10.12 | johnx | doesn't matter if you're root |
| 11:10.16 | hahlo | ok |
| 11:12.02 | pupnik | does SD get slower as it fills up? |
| 11:12.29 | hrw | pupnik: should not |
| 11:14.00 | pupnik | can i force slow cpu with any of these scalers? conservative ondemand null powersave performance |
| 11:14.00 | lardman | conservative |
| 11:14.00 | lardman | or powersave |
| 11:14.12 | pupnik | k |
| 11:14.31 | lardman | try a google for the difference, I can't remember it atm |
| 11:14.54 | johnx | pupnik, the sd card itself won't get slower, but certain filesystems will get slower when close to full. I know at least reiserfs will slow down a lot over 90% full |
| 11:16.38 | pupnik | hah got my fastest read times on powersave |
| 11:17.22 | lardman | the cpu is probably not the limiting factor in any case |
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| 11:24.49 | pupnik | ooh most of them are slower now |
| 11:25.59 | pupnik | lardman: did you post your work on DSP ogg anywhere for others to see/download? |
| 11:26.36 | pupnik | or what's up with that... got boring/frustrating? |
| 11:27.37 | lardman | pupnik: garage project |
| 11:28.00 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html |
| 11:28.25 | pupnik | oki! |
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| 11:29.40 | pupnik | maybe Idnt could put someone on this! |
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| 11:35.25 | Lynoure | I'm a newbie when it comes to using N800 with a phone. Any trouble I should be expecting with Motorola RAZR V3xx? Couldn't find anything with Google. |
| 11:36.16 | inz | jku, compiling gammu is the easy part, compiling cmake took ages |
| 11:36.52 | jku | inz, ouch |
| 11:37.19 | inz | jku, I guess I'll dput cmake too, so I don't lose it ;) |
| 11:37.29 | ssvb | lardman: I wonder if the next firmware will allow running DSP tasks at 133MHz keeping ARM core at 400MHz |
| 11:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, search ITT. |
| 11:38.06 | ssvb | lardman: otherwise using DSP does not look very attractive from the practical point of view |
| 11:39.57 | ssvb | lardman: In any case, if I get it right,no matter if 400/133 or 330/220 mode is used, OMAP is running at the highest possible voltage which makes it not very good for the battery |
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| 11:41.06 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: Did not, could not find anything on any RAZR |
| 11:41.23 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: I guess it means more good than bad... |
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| 11:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Er, nothing? http://tinyurl.com/yvojgg |
| 11:42.55 | johnx | Lynoure, if you search for v3xx on internettablettalk.com/forums and select "show posts" you'll find the settings you need and even a speed report |
| 11:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, second go on Debian. |
| 11:45.32 | johnx | did you find anything wrong with that card? |
| 11:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 11:45.58 | johnx | weird |
| 11:46.10 | johnx | but not the weirdest thing I've seen with SD cards ... not by a long shot |
| 11:46.24 | lardman | ssvb: Igor was talking about releasing the steps to alter the multipliers wasn't he? |
| 11:46.45 | lardman | ssvb: or just be removing the kernel switch you mean? |
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| 11:47.03 | Lynoure | johnx: thanks |
| 11:50.24 | Lynoure | johnx: found it. Looks like a particularly tricky phone. |
| 11:50.27 | johnx | mmmm...caffeine |
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| 11:53.28 | hahlo | why it doesn't work tar xvjf debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 |
| 11:53.53 | johnx | it doesn't? |
| 11:53.57 | johnx | what happens? |
| 11:54.10 | hahlo | tar: invalid option |
| 11:54.23 | hahlo | Usage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] |
| 11:54.28 | johnx | aaah |
| 11:54.32 | johnx | on the tablet |
| 11:54.32 | _berto_ | anyone using OS2006 or OS2007 here ? |
| 11:54.34 | johnx | hmm |
| 11:54.36 | inz | hahlo, your tar doesn't support j |
| 11:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 |
| 11:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | Grab the tar there. |
| 11:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | Stick it in /home/user/bin/tar or summuch |
| 11:55.12 | inz | hahlo, use bzip2 -dc <package| | tar xv |
| 11:55.14 | johnx | yeah, or untar it on a destkop machine with a card reader |
| 11:55.37 | johnx | guess I should add something to the FAQ... |
| 11:55.39 | hahlo | ok first linux where tar didn't work |
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| 11:56.00 | johnx | yeah, that's busybox... |
| 11:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:56.08 | inz | hahlo, tar does work, it just doesn't support j, which is a gnu tar addition |
| 11:56.10 | GeneralAntilles | Damned busybox. |
| 11:56.23 | inz | Don't blame busybox, blame GNU for bloating everything |
| 11:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | How about we blame both? |
| 11:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | and toss Apple and Microsoft in there for fun. |
| 11:57.17 | inz | General, busybox is good in what it does, I don't comment on whether it was a wise choice on maemo though |
| 11:57.36 | johnx | it probably was a good choice |
| 11:57.50 | johnx | I'd be willing to bet it saves a good chunk of disk space and lots of RAM |
| 11:57.54 | inz | jku, gammu 0.18.0-1mh1 in maemo-hackers bora now |
| 11:58.05 | johnx | however, I don't have to pretend it's my preferred hacking environment... |
| 11:58.46 | inz | johnx, disk space, probably, RAM, that I wouldn't be so sure |
| 11:59.21 | johnx | yeah, I guess RAM savings will probably be more a result of shell choice |
| 11:59.43 | inz | I would guess dash would do about as good ram consumption wise |
| 12:00.12 | johnx | I should probably get Debian using that by default... |
| 12:00.29 | inz | Ubuntu already does ;) |
| 12:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's booting, I think, johnx. :D |
| 12:00.44 | inz | And many people have complained because it breaks their _bash_ scripts that pretend to be sh scripts |
| 12:00.46 | lardman | ssvb: since when were you interested in power saving anyway, just extracing the most performance :) |
| 12:00.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, woo! |
| 12:01.03 | johnx | inz, but makes up for the RAM savings of dash by adding it 10 hojillion other things |
| 12:01.31 | Jaffa | Busybox can be compiled with 'j' support for tar, IIRC |
| 12:02.21 | inz | # CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_BZIP2 is not set |
| 12:03.21 | inz | From maemo busybox's config file |
| 12:03.21 | inz | jku, actually the gammu packages are also in chinook now, I hope they work ;) |
| 12:03.21 | Jaffa | inz: so, we can blame Nokia :-) |
| 12:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | How long should this take, johnx. <_> |
| 12:04.14 | inz | Jaffa, no, blame GNU |
| 12:04.17 | johnx | hmm...probably not this long |
| 12:04.22 | johnx | give it another minute or two |
| 12:04.34 | johnx | I really hope this worked for *someone* |
| 12:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 12:06.38 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, at least usb networking should have come up |
| 12:06.46 | johnx | you can try that easily enough |
| 12:06.46 | duluu | hello all |
| 12:06.50 | johnx | hi |
| 12:06.58 | duluu | a week ago I bought N810 from amazon.com |
| 12:07.31 | duluu | and having problem with wireless connection |
| 12:07.54 | duluu | through DHCP it acquired IP address, but no nameserver |
| 12:08.25 | jku | inz, ok thanks. I'll check during weekend |
| 12:08.40 | duluu | how I can become root? and change /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:10.31 | inz | duluu, maemo uses dnsmasq, /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:10.40 | inz | duluu, or ITOS, that is |
| 12:11.15 | lardman | duluu: you can enable r&d mode |
| 12:11.16 | duluu | yep, it's pointing to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:11.35 | jku | duluu, several ways (see maemo wiki). I ijust install ssh and xterm, then ssh root@localhost |
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| 12:12.04 | jku | but you should fix your dhcp instead... |
| 12:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Oooooooh |
| 12:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | There it goes |
| 12:12.13 | inz | duluu, /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 should have the right values |
| 12:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | Taaaastyyyyyyy |
| 12:12.24 | duluu | tnx, it's working now |
| 12:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's too cool. |
| 12:12.58 | jkyro | hi, anybody know how to find out the bluetooth name programmatically? |
| 12:13.03 | jkyro | in OS2008 |
| 12:13.20 | jkyro | 2007 used to have a gconf key for it but no more :( |
| 12:13.28 | jku | jkyro, what exactly do you want? |
| 12:13.53 | jkyro | to find out the name that is used as the bluetooth name of the device |
| 12:15.08 | jku | bluez dbus api |
| 12:15.32 | jkyro | ah, OK |
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| 12:16.11 | jkyro | thanks |
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| 12:17.03 | Jaffa | jkyro: there used to be a file in /etc too |
| 12:17.13 | hugolp | is there any way to block the screen? |
| 12:17.34 | hugolp | Ive taken the N800 out as a mp3 and when I put it on the pocket and walk a little is a big party |
| 12:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Lock touchscreen and keys? |
| 12:18.10 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I think that locking the touchscreen would be enough |
| 12:18.45 | hugolp | is there any way? |
| 12:19.49 | Jaffa | hugolp: default configuration has short press of power button + middle of d-pad |
| 12:20.29 | _berto_ | anyone wanting to help me test the upcoming Vagalume 0.5 on the 770 or N800 (OS2007) ? |
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| 12:21.29 | solmumaha | _berto_: sure |
| 12:21.38 | _berto_ | :) |
| 12:21.44 | _berto_ | http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/tmp/ |
| 12:21.45 | _berto_ | thanks |
| 12:21.48 | _berto_ | you had a 770, right? |
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| 12:22.07 | _berto_ | I tested in the SDK and it seems to work |
| 12:22.17 | solmumaha | with 2006 and another with hacker/2007 |
| 12:22.18 | pupnik810 | any streams to reccomend? |
| 12:22.30 | _berto_ | if nothing strange happens I'll probably release 0.5 today |
| 12:22.47 | solmumaha | k, but my tests have to wait, still at work |
| 12:23.02 | pupnik810 | streamtuner is a pretty killer app |
| 12:23.35 | _berto_ | ok, I'm going for lunch now |
| 12:23.39 | _berto_ | so don't worry |
| 12:23.40 | _berto_ | :) |
| 12:23.46 | pupnik810 | hehe |
| 12:24.46 | hugolp | Jaffa: whats the default lock code? |
| 12:25.08 | johnx | have you tried 12345 ? |
| 12:25.23 | hugolp | Ive tried 1234 |
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| 12:25.29 | Jaffa | (well, maemo devices) |
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| 12:26.00 | hugolp | johnx: yeah, that worked |
| 12:26.09 | johnx | :) |
| 12:26.17 | johnx | infobot, I do your job better than you |
| 12:26.17 | infobot | You do your job better than you? |
| 12:26.41 | inz | omg, recursion |
| 12:26.43 | johnx | I think it's mocking me... |
| 12:27.11 | inz | How so, if you're reursively better at your job than you are, aren't you something like infinitely good at your job? |
| 12:27.30 | hugolp | yeah, your something like god |
| 12:27.32 | inz | (well, turning it around, you're recursively worse at your job than you are, but you can ignore that) |
| 12:28.11 | johnx | infobot, the defaultlockcode is 12345 |
| 12:28.12 | infobot | okay, johnx |
| 12:28.28 | ssvb | lardman: I'm interested in both performance and power efficiency (it is better if you are able to watch a full length movie on a single battery charge) :) |
| 12:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | Crap, johnx, do I really need to apt-get bluetooth to start off? |
| 12:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | This particular onscreen vkb is painful. |
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| 12:29.28 | johnx | bluetooth is included |
| 12:29.44 | johnx | I have no idea how if pairing will help you though... |
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| 12:31.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I have no idea what's up with the keymap in X :( |
| 12:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | OK, so humor the nooblette, my network is WPA2 AES |
| 12:34.36 | solmumaha | _berto_: what's new btw? |
| 12:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | How do I need to setup the network config? |
| 12:35.03 | johnx | in /etc/network/interfaces uncomment the block about wlan0 and put the right values in for ssid and psk |
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| 12:35.33 | johnx | be sure you put your "pass phrase" in quotes |
| 12:35.48 | _berto_ | solmumaha: in short: a statusbar plugin (for OS2008), a download window, new buttons and UI improvements, and some fixes |
| 12:35.54 | _berto_ | I have to leave now, see you later |
| 12:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | Crap, vkb is all weird in vi. <_< |
| 12:37.06 | johnx | lame :/ |
| 12:37.35 | johnx | I would do usb networking instead to edit stuff, etc |
| 12:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but then I'd have to install a USBNet driver over here |
| 12:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | and I don't feel like rebooting. |
| 12:38.36 | johnx | it emulates a really standard USB ethernet controller |
| 12:38.50 | johnx | I would hope to god any modern OS has had that driver since 2002 |
| 12:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so would I. |
| 12:39.12 | lardman | ssvb: true :) |
| 12:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | But we're talking about Leopard here. I have IP over Firewire. :P |
| 12:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | I actually may have USBNet |
| 12:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, guess not. |
| 12:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | Quote ssid, too? |
| 12:40.45 | johnx | I don't think it hurts |
| 12:41.04 | johnx | and you probably only need to quote your passphrase if it has spaces |
| 12:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | OK, all edited |
| 12:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Anything I need to do, or r i connected? |
| 12:41.45 | johnx | ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0 |
| 12:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Oops . . . that SSID is 250 miles south. |
| 12:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 12:46.38 | johnx | win? |
| 12:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | I like how the URL history dropdown pulls focus from the vkb |
| 12:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, win. |
| 12:47.10 | johnx | do you like your temporary MAC address? |
| 12:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | Fun stuff |
| 12:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm more of a tea guy myself, though. |
| 12:47.40 | johnx | seriously though...that's not my doing |
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| 12:48.00 | johnx | the MAC address must be set by wlancond or something else |
| 12:48.07 | johnx | you can make it anything you want... |
| 12:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | user have a default pass? |
| 12:48.26 | johnx | read the Wiki :P |
| 12:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | Never! |
| 12:48.42 | johnx | I think it's password, but the account is locked |
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| 12:48.58 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 12:49.03 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, as root: passwd -u user ; passwd user |
| 12:49.10 | johnx | hi GnutoN810 |
| 12:50.11 | GnutoN810 | johnx: hey :) |
| 12:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install x11vnc and done makes me happy. :3 |
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| 12:56.13 | oil | GeneralAntilles: x11vnc is the client to connect to server or the other way around? |
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| 12:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | To provide a server on the device. |
| 12:56.32 | K-Fox | hi |
| 12:56.41 | K-Fox | i did buy n800 ,today |
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| 12:57.19 | K-Fox | setting, i find out some problem |
| 12:57.47 | oil | GeneralAntilles: aah. not available for default os I suppose |
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| 12:58.21 | K-Fox | operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea) |
| 12:58.53 | K-Fox | bluetooth |
| 12:59.37 | oil | I admire johnx work with debian, but then again I'm afraid that there will be less work for default OS when all the gurus start working with debian :-o |
| 13:00.07 | K-Fox | setting bluetooth,operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea) |
| 13:00.14 | K-Fox | i dont know at all |
| 13:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | oil, http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 13:00.59 | oil | GeneralAntilles: thanks. I'll try that one |
| 13:00.59 | Tak | oil: ...but then we'd all have access to an extremely well-maintained and regularly-updated OS... |
| 13:01.07 | GeneralAntilles | K-Fox, if you know your operator settings, you can either just put bogus info into the wizard or bypass it completely. |
| 13:01.55 | K-Fox | ok |
| 13:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's Asian support is pretty much non-existant. |
| 13:03.15 | K-Fox | really? |
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| 13:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty much |
| 13:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain they don't officially sell the devices anywhere over there. |
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| 13:04.59 | oil | tak: true, but what makes it risky business is that: then there will be less support and less developers for maemo. -> less things for normal users -> the device is less attractive -> Less sales -> ? |
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| 13:05.22 | Tak | debian and maemo are not mutually exclusive |
| 13:06.16 | Tak | e.g., regardless of the underlying OS, I personally would still run matchbox and hildon apps, because they're better suited to the device |
| 13:06.26 | oil | I guess in every business we need the masses to buy devices so that the development can continue |
| 13:07.00 | Tak | besides, 90% of the third-party software "for maemo" began as generic linux software |
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| 13:08.29 | oil | tak: yes. and that should continue as well. |
| 13:09.21 | |tbb| | who has run usbnet ever with the tablet |
| 13:09.58 | johnx | oil, Maemo/hildon exists in Debian. What I want is for apps written for one to work on *both& |
| 13:10.16 | zaheerm | have people tried this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/usb-otg-easy-way.html i assume it uses the cable nokia provide with the n810 right? |
| 13:13.22 | suihkulokki | Microsoft Offers $44.6 Billion for Yahoo |
| 13:13.29 | Lynoure | zaheerm: seems to use mini-usb - usb cable, yes, Nokia's or some other's |
| 13:14.11 | zaheerm | micro usb, no ... looks like an n810 in picture |
| 13:14.47 | Tak | "After the failure of MSN Live! search, and having been repeatedly rebuffed by Google, Microsoft begins buying random search-related companies..." |
| 13:14.48 | Lynoure | zaheerm: oh, it's called micro? |
| 13:15.11 | zaheerm | n800's slot is mini usb |
| 13:15.39 | Lynoure | anyway, you probably got the point :) |
| 13:15.42 | suihkulokki | mini-usb was such a huge connector they had to make a smaller |
| 13:16.01 | Lynoure | any cable that fits between the N8x0 and the plain F to F usb :) |
| 13:16.19 | glass | microusb takes almost the same space on devices |
| 13:16.29 | glass | so it's rather pointless... yet on some phones it's the only way to charge |
| 13:17.07 | suihkulokki | it's *thinner*, and people drool on thin things |
| 13:17.33 | Lynoure | suihkulokki: thinner is the new bigger =) |
| 13:17.37 | zaheerm | like microsd instead of minisd :) |
| 13:17.41 | solmumaha | yahoo deal sounds bad for freebsd |
| 13:18.02 | glass | suihkulokki: like nokias smaller charger plug |
| 13:18.21 | zaheerm | nokia's new devices seem to be charged by microusb instead of the smaller charger plug |
| 13:18.35 | glass | on most, if not on all, phones that it's on theres space for the bigger |
| 13:18.39 | glass | not all devices |
| 13:18.45 | glass | just the thin |
| 13:18.52 | glass | and nobody has microusb |
| 13:19.03 | glass | have to bring your own full charger everywhere... |
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| 13:23.13 | Jaffa | Woohoo, using minicom I've connected to my phone over Bluetooth from my N810. A quick AT command like the following then gives me cell info: AT+CREG? |
| 13:23.51 | glass | up to the phone |
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| 13:40.32 | X-Fade | Wow, Intel released it's complete specification documentation for Intel 965 graphics card. Now if we only got TI to do the same ;) |
| 13:40.46 | X-Fade | The docs are even CC-attribution licensed :) |
| 13:41.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | Open Letter time! |
| 13:41.32 | Tak | killer |
| 13:41.38 | Tak | X-Fade: you have a link? |
| 13:41.43 | X-Fade | http://www.x.org/docs/intel/ |
| 13:41.52 | X-Fade | Including 3D.. |
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| 13:44.23 | Tak | nice, thank you |
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| 13:44.52 | X-Fade | I have that card in my laptop, so I hope a lot of goodies come from that release ;) |
| 13:51.53 | hahlo | hmm seems to boot only flash says boot flash |
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| 13:56.31 | Karlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.51 | Jaffa | lardman|away: ping |
| 13:56.58 | X-Fade | Great, another spammer.. |
| 13:57.19 | X-Fade | Ah ;) K-lined... |
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| 13:58.41 | cizarro | X-Fade, better than K-Fedded. |
| 13:59.34 | X-Fade | heh. |
| 14:00.51 | pupnik | i wish i could fork() myself |
| 14:01.26 | Tak | pupnik: you can; you just need a partner |
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| 14:01.50 | pupnik | :) |
| 14:02.00 | X-Fade | Tak: That has a big lag of about 16 years.. |
| 14:03.00 | jku | yeah, and they say forking is not that expensive... well, that one is |
| 14:04.22 | hahlo | now i found menu key, now boots from card i think |
| 14:05.23 | Tak | X-Fade: yeah, we could stand to do some optimization on that |
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| 14:23.34 | hahlo | johnx: doesn't seem to like boot from card just say failed but in chroot /media/mmc2 /bin/sh seems to work |
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| 14:26.18 | ywwg | I'm having trouble connecting to a WPA accesspoint with my new n810. I was able to connect at home fine, but at work it says it's not getting an ip address. Is there a way I can try to connect through the terminal so I can see what's going on? |
| 14:26.27 | pupnik | is there a possibility to record output of the ITOS multimedia sound architecture to test for overflow / distortion in waveform? |
| 14:26.45 | pupnik | maybe 'dmesg' in terminal ywwg |
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| 14:29.00 | ywwg | pupnik: nothing helpful there unfortunately |
| 14:29.56 | ywwg | if I didn't know better I'd say I have the wrong wifi password, but I know it's right |
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| 14:31.52 | WSW | hello |
| 14:33.27 | Nermal | lo wsw |
| 14:33.47 | WSW | hi |
| 14:33.54 | WSW | nermal |
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| 14:34.46 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:34.57 | WSW | hi |
| 14:35.14 | WSW | how are you |
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| 14:36.09 | Tak | hmm, the fbi figured out how to use tor |
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| 14:45.53 | ywwg | looks like it's just a dhcp issue, if I specify an ip it works |
| 14:46.04 | darkip | probably your router then? |
| 14:46.13 | darkip | maybe it's set to only assign a certain amount of ip addresses |
| 14:46.21 | darkip | or has mac filtering on? |
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| 14:52.02 | ywwg | darkip: Unfortunately we hired a new bunch of people to admin our linux server, so it's a black box no |
| 14:52.03 | ywwg | now |
| 14:52.05 | michele | hello |
| 14:52.20 | ywwg | but hopefully they'll help me look at the logs or something |
| 14:52.42 | ywwg | I have a sense that the n810 is just timing out, my laptop takes 30-40 seconds to get an IP and the n810 gives up sooner than that |
| 14:52.52 | michele | who wants to try a greasemonkey script to make ITT forum slightly more bearable on the tablet? |
| 14:53.16 | Tak | have you tried the "classic" theme? |
| 14:53.36 | michele | yes |
| 14:53.55 | michele | the script modifies that |
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| 14:54.30 | michele | less margins, bigger fonts and especially bigger change page buttons |
| 14:54.35 | michele | http://micampe.it/m/ittforum.user.js |
| 14:55.36 | Tak | oh, haha |
| 14:55.48 | Tak | I thought you were asking if anybody wanted to try his hand at writing one... |
| 14:55.52 | _berto_ | i'm back |
| 14:56.38 | michele | nomis, I got fed up with those tiny unclickable numbers |
| 14:56.49 | michele | s/nomis/no |
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| 15:00.18 | pupnik | request arm assembler guru to optimize fmopl.c |
| 15:00.19 | pupnik | http://mamedev.org/source/src/emu/sound/fmopl.c |
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| 15:07.58 | fysa | how is bochs? |
| 15:08.36 | fysa | http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/b/bochs/bochs_2.3.6-2_armel.deb |
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| 15:08.58 | fysa | it emulates SB16 |
| 15:09.28 | suihkulokki | bochs is sloooow |
| 15:10.25 | fysa | but if the SB16 emulation is better, that's what we need, right? |
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| 15:14.40 | fysa | http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/development/sb16-emulation-basics.html |
| 15:14.41 | _collin_ | pupnik: most stuff doesn't need asm optimization since compilers are really good |
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| 15:16.16 | pupnik | yah |
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| 15:17.25 | solmumaha | _berto_: seem to just fine |
| 15:17.33 | solmumaha | work |
| 15:17.47 | dphil9000 | I wonder if it's worth it to install bash |
| 15:18.04 | solmumaha | bora works on hacker |
| 15:19.27 | _berto_ | great! |
| 15:19.28 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:19.37 | _berto_ | have you tested in 2007he or 2006 ? |
| 15:20.04 | solmumaha | both |
| 15:20.19 | solmumaha | gregale on 2006 |
| 15:20.42 | _berto_ | great, thanks |
| 15:20.42 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:20.45 | _berto_ | good to know that |
| 15:20.56 | _berto_ | if you have any quick suggestion it could go into the final release |
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| 15:21.16 | _berto_ | (we have a couple of hours) |
| 15:22.22 | solmumaha | stop and close connection after some time period? :) |
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| 15:24.04 | _berto_ | uh, we don't have the time for that now :) |
| 15:24.10 | _berto_ | but maybe for the next version ... |
| 15:25.06 | solmumaha | k |
| 15:26.29 | solmumaha | my name first in credits? |
| 15:26.46 | solmumaha | that's quick |
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| 15:27.55 | _berto_ | lol |
| 15:27.56 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:28.21 | _berto_ | well, you're right actually, you've helped a lot testing it in OS2006 |
| 15:28.27 | solmumaha | nono |
| 15:28.35 | _berto_ | so if you give me your name you'll appear in the THANKS file |
| 15:28.36 | solmumaha | it's nothing |
| 15:28.36 | _berto_ | ;) |
| 15:28.59 | solmumaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.07 | solmumaha | but no need |
| 15:29.30 | _berto_ | it's just the THANKS file :) |
| 15:30.19 | pupnik | ok i did find some code in dosbox that makes heavy use of trig |
| 15:30.35 | pupnik | is there a place where i can read how to link-in the vfp libm? |
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| 15:33.08 | Tak | pupnik: -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp ‽ |
| 15:33.22 | dphil9000 | Apparently I have several IP's |
| 15:33.38 | Tak | or do I misunderstand the question? |
| 15:37.52 | Jaffa | Anyone got a dosbox image with Win 3.1 (or, I suppose, 95/98) with appropriate configs for an N810? |
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| 15:46.54 | pupnik | tak yes i want to use those cflags but i heard that for trig functions, a special libm was required |
| 15:47.46 | Tak | you'd have to build (or acquire) a libm built with those flags |
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| 15:56.20 | jga23 | has anybody been able to pull down their cell phone's address book with bluetooth and PBAP? |
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| 15:57.19 | zoran | pbap? |
| 15:57.28 | jga23 | phone book access profile |
| 15:57.48 | jga23 | when I do a service search on my phone that comes up |
| 15:57.55 | zoran | I used bluetooth from 64bit freebsd to nokia 6233 |
| 15:58.26 | jga23 | its the same profile that bluetooth car kits use, but I want to pull the phone book into my tablet |
| 15:58.54 | zoran | k, the app in fact is obexapp, and I use it with ftrn |
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| 15:59.12 | zoran | whatever is on the phone, it is accessible |
| 15:59.32 | zoran | the name of app on linux is something different |
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| 16:38.45 | Andy80 | yerga: hi :) |
| 16:39.33 | lardman | afternoon all |
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| 16:40.51 | pupnik | woo woo got another few percent speed out of dosbox |
| 16:40.59 | lardman | well done |
| 16:40.59 | Tak | huzzah! |
| 16:41.36 | pupnik | :) |
| 16:41.54 | pupnik | it's pretty big actually - testing ... |
| 16:43.33 | lardman | Wow, N800 seems sooo big after N810 |
| 16:43.44 | hrw | :) |
| 16:43.44 | Jaffa | Is it actually usable for anything apart from old CGA games? |
| 16:44.01 | pupnik | i'm testing with ultima underworld, doom and wing commander |
| 16:44.02 | Jaffa | lardman: Found a reference to supl.nokia.com, the service it provides and more general details about it. |
| 16:44.14 | lardman | Jaffa: Good news :) |
| 16:44.42 | Tak | pupnik: have you tried one of the linux ports of ultima underworld? |
| 16:45.03 | pupnik | i haven't found any UW ports near usablility |
| 16:45.46 | lardman | Jaffa: you have an url? |
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| 16:49.05 | lardman | .me twiddles thumbs while openssh generates keys |
| 16:49.26 | lardman | that was my hidden side |
| 16:49.31 | Jaffa | Nothing massively helpful after another Google: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 - refers to an H-SPL standard. |
| 16:49.38 | Jaffa | (sorry 'net connection went down) |
| 16:50.01 | lardman | np, looking at the link now |
| 16:50.38 | lardman | ah yes, I've seen that, no mention of what is sent or received (i.e. thje formats) |
| 16:51.08 | Jaffa | No. I had a further google on H-SPL and SUPL and got references to Nokia's press release about Secure User Plane Locations but again, no formats. |
| 16:51.26 | lardman | ah, patents then perhaps |
| 16:51.41 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 16:51.55 | lardman | something to do once we know it will work, rather than wasting time now methinks |
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| 16:54.17 | lardman | hmm, lost my ivorbisidec.cmd file reflashing, pita |
| 16:56.09 | pupnik | :/ |
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| 16:59.34 | lardman | hmm, oh well looks like I changed the memory locations so I didn't need one |
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| 17:05.53 | lardman_ | bloody computer |
| 17:06.28 | hrw|gone | bye |
| 17:06.38 | lardman_ | cu hrw |
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| 17:16.57 | pH5 | hi lardman_, what is the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts? |
| 17:17.24 | lardman_ | pH5: segfaulting at the moment, can't remember what I was doing when I stopped work last time |
| 17:17.41 | lardman_ | going to rebuild the arm-side, as that's what's failing |
| 17:19.41 | lardman_ | hmm, looks like I'm getting an error opening the device |
| 17:19.45 | lardman_ | dsp device that is |
| 17:20.54 | lardman_ | aargh, no messages anywhere |
| 17:21.19 | lardman_ | serves me right for reflashing my build machine - N800 |
| 17:21.37 | lardman_ | test machine even |
| 17:23.27 | lardman_ | hmm, it's failing with "Interrupted system call" |
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| 17:25.47 | lardman_ | When in doubt reboot |
| 17:26.08 | lardman_ | back to the question, the dsp code runs but for some reason does not recognise the vorbis stream as being the real deal |
| 17:26.29 | lardman_ | am tracking down where this occurs |
| 17:27.41 | lardman_ | it falls over on the 3rd header (I think that's the right one), the one which contains the decoder setup data |
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| 17:29.12 | lardman_ | fine, reboot sorted that out |
| 17:29.18 | lardman_ | now it's running ok |
| 17:30.11 | lardman_ | http://pastebin.ca/887839 is the sort of thing I'm looking at |
| 17:30.35 | ph|ber | how do you make canola rescan the audio db? |
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| 17:32.18 | mgedmin | open and close the card cover? |
| 17:32.57 | pH5 | s/is// |
| 17:32.58 | lardman_ | lol |
| 17:33.24 | lardman_ | ok, so at the end of that pastebin, you see the line: vorbis_book_unpack: Wrong alignment |
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| 17:34.28 | lardman_ | The two lines before output the values of the 2 bytes which are about to be read from the stream, they ==0, the 24bits I want to read should ==0x564342 |
| 17:35.27 | lardman_ | so either my bit reading code is broken (though it has worked thus far) or my buffer alloc code is broken (has also worked thus far) or perhaps I've forgotten to cast those outputs to unsigned shorts (the only values I'm allowed to output) |
| 17:38.09 | lardman_ | have just tweaked code to be sure, rebuilt, sft'd new module across, re-run, and same error |
| 17:38.16 | lardman_ | sftp'd |
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| 17:40.25 | lardman_ | supper time, the pub quiz but next time I look at it I need to check the bit reading code |
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| 17:41.28 | lardman_ | all sizes are handled in terms of 8bit bytes, but obviously one needs to convert them to 16bit sizes for the DSP to actually find, so I'm wondering if there's a problem when my buffer starts on an odd byte |
| 17:42.14 | pH5 | lardman_: is this the code that is uploaded on your homepage? the dsp-tremor svn repo is empty. |
| 17:43.55 | lardman_ | there's a tarball |
| 17:44.05 | lardman_ | I need to work out how to create the svn repo |
| 17:44.28 | lardman_ | tarball on the garage page that is |
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| 17:46.10 | Tak | it's super-easy - `cd sourcedir; make maintainer-clean; svn import https://garage.maemo.org/svn/projectname/trunk` |
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| 17:46.35 | lardman_ | ok, so I should put everything in "trunk" |
| 17:47.02 | pH5 | ah, ok. I just started turning pcm2.o into C code. |
| 17:47.03 | pH5 | let's see whether we get the decoder working first, or sound output :) |
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| 17:50.26 | lardman_ | pH5: well if you want to persue the pcm2.o code that would be fine, we can quite easily pass across pcm code to test it with |
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| 17:52.03 | lardman_ | pcm data that should have read, am going mad |
| 17:52.16 | pupnik | :/ |
| 17:52.18 | Tak | well, it's really up to you how you structure it - some people do: projectname/trunk/projectname , etc |
| 17:52.45 | pH5 | lardman_: yes, this way I force myself to get to know the dsp a bit better. |
| 17:52.48 | lardman_ | yeah, I was going to think about it, but really I should stick the code up, especially as I'm making changes again |
| 17:54.09 | ssvb | lardman_: what does sizeof(char) return on DSP? |
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| 17:54.15 | pH5 | I think just putting things directly under trunk is the easiest way for such a small project, unless the arm/gstreamer and dsp parts are supposed to live in separate tarballs |
| 17:55.44 | lardman_ | eventually the arm-side gstreamer stuff will need to be in a separate tarball |
| 17:55.55 | pH5 | hm. there is a DSP_CMD used in pcm2.o that is not yet in the old osso-dsp-headers-0.1. Is there a newer version available somewhere? |
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| 17:56.41 | lardman_ | no, I think there were some missing bits |
| 18:04.30 | ssvb | lardman_: well, I'll try to confirm the sizeof stuff myself when I get home, the idea is to try simulating the same environment on some kind on normal desktop PC (maybe big endian PPC) and reproduce the problem you have |
| 18:05.41 | lardman_ | ssvb: 1 |
| 18:06.43 | lardman_ | sorry I missed your question earlier |
| 18:07.34 | lardman_ | ssvb: but sizeof(short)==1 as well, and short is 16bits |
| 18:07.45 | lardman_ | so is byte for that matter |
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| 18:08.34 | ssvb | lardman_: it does not matter, we could pretend that we just don't have char type at all (replace everything with typedefs) |
| 18:08.55 | lardman_ | it's annoying for bit reading code though |
| 18:09.18 | lardman_ | as you then need to extend the range of the masks, etc. |
| 18:09.53 | lardman_ | I don;t think it's a major problem to be honest, just a quick tweak should sort this bit out, and then another for the next. It's just time consuming |
| 18:10.23 | ssvb | lardman_: I remember dealing with 4-bit graphics long time ago (half of char), that experience can be probably somewhat useful here |
| 18:10.38 | lardman_ | cool |
| 18:10.58 | lardman_ | let me see if I can track down where the problem is, if it's the bitreading code then the more eyes & ideas the better |
| 18:11.03 | lardman_ | :) |
| 18:12.40 | ssvb | lardman_: it would be probably preferable to have the code which works more or less identical on various platforms (and breaks because of the same problems) |
| 18:13.06 | lardman_ | the majority of the code is unchanged, just these size specific sections |
| 18:13.20 | lardman_ | though in reality lots of it will need to be changed - optimised, for the DSP |
| 18:14.10 | ssvb | lardman_: so changing 'char' -> 'short' (or better some typedef) and sizeof(x) to some kind of SIZEOF(x) macro which whould return 2 for 'char' might be useful, that's just an idea |
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| 18:15.20 | lardman_ | yes, I can see the idea |
| 18:15.20 | ssvb | lardman_: but string functions and all the stuff will still expect sizes in 16-bit chars, so don't know |
| 18:15.44 | lardman_ | perhaps not, they may expect two 8bit values in the char |
| 18:16.06 | lardman_ | I've not looked at how strings are stored on the dsp, I've not needed to |
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| 18:17.35 | pH5 | lardman_: a char is a char on the dsp, so no packing two ascii chars into 16-bit. |
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| 18:18.45 | lardman_ | pH5: fair enough, but if you pass data from the arm-side it will be packed |
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| 18:23.05 | lardman_ | hmm, svn wasn't impressed with my first attempt to upload the source code |
| 18:23.55 | lardman_ | should I create a local repo as in the instructions?: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.importing.html |
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| 18:24.51 | kulve | I think C spec says that sizeof(char) == 1, always. |
| 18:25.26 | lardman_ | yes indeed |
| 18:25.50 | lardman_ | but I can do: char a=0xffff |
| 18:26.14 | kulve | sure |
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| 18:26.35 | kulve | sizeof(char) == 1 byte. The byte can be whatever, depending on the platform |
| 18:26.42 | kulve | whatever in bits I mean |
| 18:28.01 | |tbb| | re |
| 18:28.20 | lardman_ | kulve: exactly |
| 18:28.44 | lardman_ | so reading in x bytes reads in a variable amount of data depending on the platform |
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| 18:36.18 | lardman_ | hmm, svn will have to wait until after the pub quiz |
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| 18:37.45 | Lateralus | How would I go about getting gdb to load symbols for the desktop process when debugging remotely? Normally I attach to a running process (the desktop process) and everything loads properly. Debugging remotely I use target remote host:port, and it connects but symbols for libs are not loaded. |
| 18:39.02 | kulve | Lateralus: it might find them if you install the symbols to your SB target where you are running the gbd from. |
| 18:39.10 | kulve | maemo-debus or something like that |
| 18:39.52 | bipolar | Does anyone out there running kde on their tablet know if there is a way to simulate a right-click? |
| 18:40.14 | kulve | Lateralus: have you checked this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html |
| 18:40.39 | Lateralus | kulve: I have them, and they load when I'm not debugging remotely |
| 18:41.28 | Lateralus | wait wait, I bet I forgot to re-run the script in this target. |
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| 18:42.42 | Lateralus | kulve: You're thinking of debug-dep-install (maemo-debug-scripts) |
| 18:44.44 | Lateralus | Nope, the debug packages are installed |
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| 18:59.18 | benno2 | hi, trying the os 2008 maemo sdk on ubunty gutsy. seem to work fine but when I launch certain apps I get |
| 18:59.38 | benno2 | process 1467: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory |
| 18:59.38 | benno2 | See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. |
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| 19:21.10 | |tbb| | how can i run a scrip which is executed from root as user |
| 19:22.10 | Lateralus | |tbb|: su user -c script |
| 19:23.10 | rm_you | or add the script as a valid command in the sudoers file, and then you could do "sudo ./script" |
| 19:26.03 | |tbb| | k again, the script is allready executed as root now inside the script i would run anything as user |
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| 19:36.02 | pupnik | anybody up for some dosbox version comparisons, speed and regression testing? |
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| 19:42.31 | ds3 | pupnik: how does one give input to dosbox? the one installed from the repo doesn't seem to let me do much |
| 19:43.08 | pupnik | ds3 on n810? |
| 19:43.13 | ds3 | no, N800 |
| 19:43.38 | pupnik | then you need to install xkbd http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
| 19:44.02 | ds3 | ah |
| 19:44.29 | pupnik | there is a pocketpc port of dosbox with sdl keyboard if anyone is interested to work on that |
| 19:44.31 | ds3 | would a BT keyboard be usable then? |
| 19:44.44 | pupnik | yes BT is wonderful with dosbox |
| 19:44.51 | ds3 | hmmm |
| 19:45.06 | ds3 | interest level in dosbox just went up from zero ;) |
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| 19:45.29 | ds3 | would you happen to know if it emulates the HP200LX quirks (graphics and other little things)? |
| 19:45.40 | pupnik | no |
| 19:45.47 | fysa | is there a comparative MHz we can expect, in 80286/80386 terms? |
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| 19:46.11 | pupnik | i dunno but my latest build is screamin compared to my last ones |
| 19:46.33 | ds3 | it certainly seem like the N800 is really the convergence device (different meaning then the marketeers usage of it) |
| 19:46.34 | pupnik | umm but that means still painful compared to 386 in general |
| 19:47.34 | ds3 | anyone making x48 or another HP48 emulator so work on the 800/810? saw screen shots but no binaries |
| 19:47.44 | pupnik | i'm trying to fix the soundblaster emulation so it doesn't absolutely kill performance, and so far i got prince of persia with music up from 400 to 1300 cycles |
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| 19:48.36 | fysa | slick |
| 19:48.52 | pupnik | yeah it's really playable except for the dpad woes |
| 19:49.17 | pupnik | we need a frontend with per-game settings |
| 19:50.26 | pupnik | on and framerate in wing commander and one-must-fall just about doubled in latest build |
| 19:50.31 | pupnik | still too slow though |
| 19:59.48 | fysa | never used dosbox before, can you call executables from the linux command-line? i.e. "dosbox whatever.exe" |
| 19:59.58 | pupnik | yep |
| 20:01.00 | fysa | I think we need a 'games launcher' that lets you import profiles, where profiles contain an icon, a name, a launch command. |
| 20:01.01 | fysa | and maybe a 'bundle' of some sort. |
| 20:01.02 | pupnik | tak's xmaeme does that for multiple emulators |
| 20:01.19 | fysa | yes, xmaeme does that fairly well for emulators -- but it's emulator-centric and not game-centric. |
| 20:01.41 | fysa | I would want all games in a single list, "Wing Commander (dosbox)" |
| 20:02.11 | pupnik | that's a nice idea for the xmaeme 'main page' |
| 20:02.19 | fysa | then checkboxes with filters to enable/disable |
| 20:02.50 | pupnik | no, each emulator has widely varying options |
| 20:02.53 | fysa | so you can turn all dosbox games off/on. |
| 20:03.03 | pupnik | ohh |
| 20:03.03 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:03.25 | fysa | xmaeme will run out of room for tabs soon ;) |
| 20:03.46 | Tak | it only shows the tabs for things you have installed ;-) |
| 20:04.23 | fysa | Tak.. is there a way you can have xmaeme only scan directories once on launch? or is it something else that lags the rom-selection dropdown when I open it? |
| 20:04.47 | Tak | it only scans on launch |
| 20:05.04 | fysa | populating/rendering the list is slow? |
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| 20:05.35 | fysa | there's a delay of a few seconds, just long enough for me to question whether I hit it properly or not. |
| 20:05.59 | fysa | and when I hit it again, it queues the click and immediately closes when it does pop up. :) |
| 20:06.27 | Tak | they're populated at launch, too |
| 20:06.34 | Tak | it must be the rendering |
| 20:08.03 | Tak | there's zero xmaeme code that runs between the time it launches and the time you click "execute" or "browse" (or the fceu sound toggle) |
| 20:09.19 | fysa | right. it's a gtk issue. |
| 20:11.38 | Tak | is this os2008? |
| 20:12.39 | fysa | yes. a couple hundred items in the list and it becomes slightly painful.. it would almost have to be a listview or something instead, which would force gtk to render it at launch. |
| 20:13.02 | fysa | not that most people would have this problem anyway. ;) |
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| 20:15.51 | Tak | even a few hundred items /shouldn't/ be a problem |
| 20:16.08 | Tak | because it theoretically only has to render a screenful at a time |
| 20:19.17 | fysa | it's slow enough to feel like the list is being populated when I touch -- as if something is being created/copied around instead of being a pointer. |
| 20:19.17 | fysa | I can take a quick video if you care to see it in action. |
| 20:19.51 | Tak | hah, no, I believe you |
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| 20:29.51 | Jaffa | pupnik: I'll try it on the N810 |
| 20:30.38 | Tak | I wonder if gtk is internally doing something stupid like adding the items one by one and rerendering the combobox every time |
| 20:33.21 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.zip binary, chinook - compare to older versions |
| 20:35.57 | benno2 | hi, I am trying to compile vncviewer svn trunk under the chinook sdk, but I get this error: |
| 20:36.14 | benno2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.34 | keesj | benno2: I think the dep names changes try a apt-cache search hildon | grep dev |
| 20:38.09 | benno2 | keesj: yes thanks I thought about the same but there are many packages listed |
| 20:38.11 | keesj | and edit the debian/control the change the dep names |
| 20:43.40 | benno2 | keesj: thanks, I changed the control file and now it starts compiling but it aborts during configure. do you think there is a package missing ? here is my output: |
| 20:43.43 | benno2 | http://pastebin.ca/888036 |
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| 20:44.53 | Jaffa | pupnik: btw, any chance of getting dosbox to register itself and get a task icon (or is there a .desktop which works?) |
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| 20:48.44 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Tried to copy files from laptop to N810 today and couldn't make it work - not via bluetooth nor adhoc network. What's the voodoo here? |
| 20:49.02 | pupnik | jaffa, this has one: http://pupnik.de/gregale/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb |
| 20:49.14 | lcuk | which end were you copying from? - evening everyone btw |
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| 20:50.04 | Blafasel | The nokia bluetooth profiles only offered Pushing OBEX cards to the device or audio stuff, afaik. |
| 20:50.25 | lcuk | Blafasel, were you using the file manager shared folders area, or were you trying to push from your desktop |
| 20:50.29 | keesj | benno2: perhaps you van paste the full output of the command ? |
| 20:50.38 | Blafasel | lcuk: The latter |
| 20:50.42 | lcuk | i have an adhox wifi network here and it works nicely |
| 20:50.54 | lcuk | I do all my copying with scp |
| 20:51.58 | lcuk | is laptop running linux? |
| 20:52.26 | Jaffa | pupnik: ah right, been running it from the cmdline |
| 20:52.43 | Blafasel | Nope. Company device, XP |
| 20:53.25 | lcuk | have you managed to get files visible in explorer windows or are you running winscp? |
| 20:53.34 | lcuk | (or similar) |
| 20:53.35 | Tak | hmm, bluetooth copy from laptop => 770 Just Worked with XP |
| 20:54.19 | Blafasel | lcuk: I couldn't create the ad-hoc network at all (might be caused by really strange ibm tools on the windows side - so no way to use winscp |
| 20:54.33 | lcuk | i can bluetooth via my phone to 810, but from windows box i cant get bluetooth doing much - i think the different stacks on windows are all just crappy |
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| 20:55.36 | Blafasel | And Bluetooth just couldn't find something like the obex filetransfer profile or something.. |
| 20:55.39 | Blafasel | Strange.. |
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| 20:55.49 | lcuk | i had trouble with the original drivers i got with this wifi card, but i uninstalled them and used default windows ones and they went smoothly |
| 20:56.09 | maddler | hi all |
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| 20:56.37 | Tak | I just had to right-click (from explorer) -> send to device -> Nokia 770 |
| 20:56.38 | pupnik | Jaffa you can start it from ssh as well |
| 20:56.38 | lcuk | which bluetooth stack is on windows, is it default or have you got bluesoliel or similar |
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| 20:58.05 | Blafasel | Default one |
| 20:58.26 | lcuk | have you got as far as pairing them |
| 20:59.20 | Cptnodegard | um |
| 20:59.21 | Cptnodegard | wtf |
| 20:59.28 | Cptnodegard | all the text on my n800 suddenly got smaller |
| 20:59.34 | Cptnodegard | how do i fix that? -.- |
| 20:59.47 | Blafasel | lcuk: Aye |
| 20:59.58 | Blafasel | Paired and trusted on both ends |
| 21:00.27 | lcuk | can you send a file from 810 to laptop? |
| 21:01.11 | lcuk | node - have you been playing with your themes |
| 21:01.20 | Blafasel | No idea how, actually. Blame the stupid user in front of the device or the UI. ;) |
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| 21:02.59 | Blafasel | I would have expected to find something like the bluetooth browsing somewhere near the status icon.. Actually I just found the filemanager stuff after you mentioned the filemanager hint |
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| 21:03.13 | |tbb| | what is the diffrence when i reboot my device and init.d services started instead i start a service via ssh as root user |
| 21:03.17 | lcuk | blaf, just open up file explorer and open the bluetooth branch and follow it down - see whether you can see whats happening |
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| 21:04.02 | Blafasel | |tbb|: How did you start it? The parent id perhaps? |
| 21:04.10 | Cptnodegard | lcuk - no, it was this when i got it out of standby... must be a setting somewhere as the icons in control panel is equally small |
| 21:04.58 | lcuk | maybe it dreamt of upgrading to a 1024*768 screen whilst it slept |
| 21:05.09 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 21:05.12 | Cptnodegard | reboot fixed it |
| 21:05.31 | lcuk | musta just been a flag - was everything smaller or just the text? |
| 21:05.33 | Cptnodegard | which is kinda sad as iliked it small |
| 21:05.39 | Cptnodegard | just text |
| 21:06.14 | lcuk | i cant read the tiny text on this device - i had to up the minimum web browser size to 18+ |
| 21:07.04 | Cptnodegard | i have not prodlem reading it, so the pixel density pwns for my use |
| 21:07.39 | lcuk | i just love the fact i can read clear text without having to fuzz it up with antialiasing |
| 21:08.00 | |tbb| | just curios |
| 21:09.28 | |tbb| | after a reboot my daemon runs but not interact with desktop, if i run it after i ssh to it and restarting it as root it works |
| 21:09.38 | Jaffa | in bed? that's patience |
| 21:10.02 | Blafasel | Beer's right here ;) |
| 21:10.31 | lcuk | i prefer to know they are safe. if i start now and one doesnt come home i may have to go driving |
| 21:10.49 | Blafasel | Which age? |
| 21:10.57 | lcuk | 13 (going on 20) |
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| 21:29.16 | smackpotato | whats with samba |
| 21:29.33 | smackpotato | on the n810 |
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| 21:39.57 | Blafasel | Dependencies are broken (wrong version of libsamba, I think) |
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| 22:07.03 | fysa | Cptnodegard: if you check the repo for alternate themes, you can find some that have smaller system text. This affects menus and such. |
| 22:07.14 | rm_you | Anyone here know much about fan bearings? |
| 22:07.26 | rm_you | My options appear to be Sleeve Bearing, Ball Bearing, or Double Ball Bearing |
| 22:07.50 | rm_you | the price differences seem to be very minor or even non-existant... |
| 22:08.24 | Cptnodegard | fysa: ah, still doesnt explain why mine did it by itself, weird shit |
| 22:08.29 | fysa | right |
| 22:08.54 | Blafasel | Again probably just me failing to use the UI: How can I remove a network definition (the permanent entries in the connection dialog)? |
| 22:09.18 | fysa | control panel I think. |
| 22:09.22 | lcdd | rm_you: ball bearings tend to whine but generally last longer |
| 22:09.22 | fysa | Connections (?) |
| 22:09.51 | lcuk | control panel/connectivity area/connectivity -> connections button |
| 22:10.02 | rm_you | lcdd: ok... |
| 22:10.09 | rm_you | lcdd: i'm deciding which to put into my projector... |
| 22:10.26 | rm_you | any idea what "double ball bearings" even means? |
| 22:10.42 | rm_you | i thought a ball bearing already had.. well.. a lot of ball bearings |
| 22:10.46 | lcuk | projector cooling fan? choose based on cooling vs noise |
| 22:10.53 | rm_you | does it mean theres like, two rings of them? |
| 22:10.54 | lcuk | double = 2 sets |
| 22:10.58 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:11.06 | rm_you | wouldnt that be bad from a point of failure standpoint? |
| 22:11.13 | rm_you | more of them to go bad? |
| 22:11.14 | lcuk | is this for cooling fan? |
| 22:11.17 | rm_you | yes |
| 22:11.32 | lcuk | 2 sets along shaft = more stable, less wobble |
| 22:11.38 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 22:12.14 | rm_you | basically, i'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110573+1372726528 and trying to pick ones that won't suck >_> |
| 22:12.22 | roue | hola |
| 22:13.01 | lcuk | depends upon load, the different types arent usually that different - some are just noisier than others usually |
| 22:14.00 | lcuk | but best for noise is slower/larger blades - the higher cfm fans are noisey buggers |
| 22:14.42 | rm_you | yeah... |
| 22:14.44 | lcuk | for the price of them just get a couple and find out for yourself, the one you dont use you will need at some point for a desktop pc |
| 22:14.50 | rm_you | i think i'm gonna go with a couple of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150053 |
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| 22:14.57 | lcuk | do you need 2? |
| 22:15.01 | rm_you | good batch discount as well |
| 22:15.02 | lcdd | rm_you: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page2.html |
| 22:15.19 | rm_you | at least 2 for my projector... but a lot of my case fans are going out too, so i'll prolly buy like 6 at once |
| 22:16.05 | lcuk | depending upon where you purchase some shops will let you into their test area and let you listen yourself |
| 22:16.53 | lcuk | what is the cfm requirement for your projector |
| 22:17.02 | rm_you | dunno |
| 22:17.05 | rm_you | i didn't decide one :P |
| 22:17.27 | lcuk | because i know if you run with lower cfm fan, it might sound quieter but the extra heat will cause bulb to burn out MUCH quicker |
| 22:17.30 | rm_you | i built it out of 1/2 and 1/4 inch MDF and spare parts :P |
| 22:17.37 | rm_you | and a nice 10.5" LCD |
| 22:17.49 | lcuk | wicked! |
| 22:17.54 | lcuk | OHP lens ;) |
| 22:18.25 | rm_you | heh, i actually was looking... but i ended up just buying one of the lumenlab lenses because all the OHP ones i found were scratched or icky >_> |
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| 22:21.10 | fysa | nice, rm_you. |
| 22:21.30 | lcuk | have you had first light yet - or still planning |
| 22:21.37 | rm_you | still planning |
| 22:21.37 | lcuk | ahhhh - not yet |
| 22:21.38 | rm_you | well |
| 22:21.44 | rm_you | done *planning* |
| 22:21.46 | rm_you | box is built |
| 22:22.28 | rm_you | parts are all here and in the box... |
| 22:22.28 | rm_you | but not hooked up |
| 22:22.28 | shackan | I wish ultrabright leds were powerful enough to light a projector |
| 22:22.28 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 22:22.28 | rm_you | I went with a ceramic metal halide |
| 22:22.28 | lcuk | how much a pop are they? |
| 22:22.28 | fysa | they are, you just need 500 of them. ;) |
| 22:22.31 | rm_you | like $35 >_> |
| 22:22.39 | shackan | you didn't consider leds at all did you ? |
| 22:22.43 | rm_you | i did actually |
| 22:22.50 | rm_you | but they just arent bright enough |
| 22:23.00 | lcuk | they are, but only for a small throw |
| 22:23.03 | rm_you | there's a huge thread with the debate / research on them on the lumenlab forums |
| 22:23.11 | rm_you | which i read most of |
| 22:23.17 | shackan | rm_you: not even for a small wall? |
| 22:23.18 | fysa | whatever you end up with, I *highly* suggest you consider a Da-Lite HighPower screen. |
| 22:23.24 | rm_you | shackan: i don't have a small wall :P |
| 22:23.31 | rm_you | fysa: linky? |
| 22:23.37 | fysa | it gave another year of life to my last projector. |
| 22:23.39 | rm_you | I have a *large* wall :P |
| 22:24.03 | lcuk | projection friendly paint is better than a rolldown screen ;) |
| 22:24.05 | rm_you | and it needs to be bright, because lighting conditions here are not ideal |
| 22:24.15 | rm_you | lcuk: not if you don't own the walls >_> |
| 22:24.17 | fysa | Unless it's the HP, lcuk. :) |
| 22:24.25 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:24.27 | fysa | It's a retroreflective screen -- like stop signs. |
| 22:24.37 | fysa | The light is sent back to the source, so it's very good at rejecting ambient light. |
| 22:24.49 | rm_you | fysa: screen was the last thing i was going to buy.... so i'm still looking around. linky for that one? |
| 22:24.52 | fysa | The only caveat is the projector should be mounted as close as possible to eye level. |
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| 22:25.09 | lcuk | heh, like an old model lcd display |
| 22:25.15 | fysa | you'd think.. |
| 22:25.18 | fysa | but not quite. |
| 22:25.26 | fysa | it's 2.6 gain from the center position. |
| 22:25.43 | fysa | and down to 0.8 - 1.0 at the very edges, so still watchable. |
| 22:25.51 | fysa | The best part is that the brightness is uniform from where you sit. |
| 22:25.54 | fysa | anyway.. |
| 22:25.55 | fysa | one sec. |
| 22:25.57 | lcuk | rm, what res if the lcd |
| 22:26.05 | lcuk | is^ |
| 22:26.15 | fysa | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065 |
| 22:26.38 | rm_you | lcuk: 1280x800 |
| 22:26.43 | fysa | I've seen them used for $200ish.. |
| 22:26.59 | fysa | I just sold my 720p Sanyo Z2 and 106" High-Power (manual) |
| 22:27.07 | rm_you | lcuk: and the controller board has VGA + DVI + SVideo + Coax + Component |
| 22:27.16 | fysa | moving to 119" electric High-Power and the Panasonic AX200 soon.. |
| 22:27.36 | fysa | the screen is almost too bright, but that's a very nice problem to have with a projector. |
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| 22:28.17 | lcuk | just give out sunglasses |
| 22:28.25 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 22:28.33 | rm_you | $20 for 6 of these fans including shipping |
| 22:28.39 | rm_you | shipping is like half of the cost >_> |
| 22:28.47 | lcuk | dont you have shops nearby |
| 22:28.51 | rm_you | not that i know of |
| 22:28.59 | rm_you | and not that would sell fans this cheap |
| 22:29.09 | rm_you | also, i don't have access to a vehicle at the moment |
| 22:29.12 | lcuk | im surrounded by them, ive got em near work, near home and in any other direction |
| 22:29.21 | rm_you | lcuk: heh, i wish. where are you? |
| 22:29.29 | lcuk | manchester england, yourself? |
| 22:29.39 | rm_you | San Antonio, Texas >+> |
| 22:29.47 | fysa | do you have an avsforum account, rm_yo? |
| 22:29.51 | fysa | rm_you? |
| 22:30.11 | rm_you | if i wanted to go find some farm equipment or sports gear, this would be my city >_> |
| 22:30.14 | lcuk | heh :) think i had family over that way once upon a time |
| 22:30.16 | rm_you | not so much for electronics |
| 22:30.26 | rm_you | fysa: avsforum? i don't think so :/ |
| 22:30.31 | rm_you | lumenlab <_< |
| 22:30.34 | rm_you | wait |
| 22:30.42 | fysa | no prob. one sec. |
| 22:30.55 | rm_you | nope |
| 22:31.26 | lcuk | rm, can you rig up a test with fans scavenged from computer |
| 22:31.33 | rm_you | lcuk: yeah |
| 22:31.35 | fysa | ionic breeze ;) |
| 22:31.37 | rm_you | heh |
| 22:31.41 | lcuk | or would your pooter overheat :P |
| 22:31.55 | rm_you | i have 5 computers in this room i could strip fans from... |
| 22:32.05 | rm_you | but they all need them fairly badly... it *is* Texas.... |
| 22:32.17 | lcuk | must be noisey in your room |
| 22:32.21 | rm_you | also, many of them are dieing somewhat, thus why i need like 6 more |
| 22:32.26 | rm_you | not too much |
| 22:32.31 | lcuk | im considering moving everything downstairs |
| 22:32.33 | rm_you | that or i'm used to it |
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| 22:32.50 | lcuk | it must sound like a space ship - constant hum |
| 22:32.56 | lcuk | i remember when computers were almost silent |
| 22:33.16 | lcuk | the only noise was the transformer hum |
| 22:33.19 | rm_you | i've got a fileserver, my MythTV, two desktops, and... oh. right. well, my tabletpc, but i can't really strip fans out of that :P |
| 22:33.47 | rm_you | and my n800 :P but no fans there, lol |
| 22:35.27 | lcuk | with a reflector and a bundle of fibre you could get the brightest projector light for free (as long as its daytime ;) ) |
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| 22:35.49 | rm_you | lol |
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| 22:36.13 | rm_you | run a lightpipe down through the ceiling from the roof :P |
| 22:36.21 | rm_you | straight into the back of the projector ^_^ |
| 22:36.52 | |tbb| | where can i see the boot sequence after a device started |
| 22:36.53 | lcuk | absolutely, you only have to keep the air cool for the lcd, no chance of burnout |
| 22:39.06 | fysa | OK, here are comparison shots between a matte 1.0 gain screen and a 2.8 gain "HighPower" screen: |
| 22:39.10 | fysa | http://fysa.net/hp2.jpg |
| 22:39.11 | fysa | http://fysa.net/hp1.jpg |
| 22:39.24 | fysa | same images compared, one is diagonal, the other has them 'striped' over eachother |
| 22:40.19 | rm_you | i wish i could get rm_you.net >_> |
| 22:40.46 | fysa | I get mail meant for the Florida Youth Soccer Association all the time. ;) |
| 22:41.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:41.13 | rm_you | errr |
| 22:41.15 | fysa | stupid catch-all mail. |
| 22:41.17 | rm_you | a) which is which |
| 22:41.28 | rm_you | b) wtf why does the #1 have weird lines |
| 22:41.44 | fysa | this is someone's tivo paused on a frame of Monsters. |
| 22:41.55 | rm_you | and #2 has a big diagonal seperation |
| 22:42.02 | fysa | it's a composition |
| 22:42.08 | fysa | of two individual photos |
| 22:42.17 | fysa | so you can see the difference in brightness.. |
| 22:42.23 | rm_you | err? |
| 22:42.26 | rm_you | OH |
| 22:42.28 | fysa | get it? |
| 22:42.32 | fysa | they took a dark one (from the matte) |
| 22:42.33 | rm_you | i didn't |
| 22:42.35 | fysa | and a light one (from the HP screen) |
| 22:42.38 | fysa | and photoshopped them together. |
| 22:42.39 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:42.44 | lcuk | i thought the wall was wonky |
| 22:43.35 | fysa | that's pretty close to best-case, i.e., one of the 3-5 best seats in however large your room is. |
| 22:43.45 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:43.48 | fysa | it's best for table/shelf mounted projectors |
| 22:43.55 | rm_you | i do need it visible from all over... >_> |
| 22:44.07 | rm_you | the projector will be sitting on a tablet at approx eye level tho |
| 22:44.17 | fysa | here's the cool thing -- as you walk out of the main seating area, you will slowly lose gain |
| 22:44.26 | fysa | so someone sitting off at a corner may only get 1.5 gain.. |
| 22:44.36 | fysa | but it's still better than matte 1.0 |
| 22:44.38 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:44.47 | rm_you | still waiting for you to link me to where i can buy one :P |
| 22:44.48 | fysa | and they don't see a gradient |
| 22:45.51 | rm_you | originally i was just planning on getting this one: https://secure.lumenlab.com/estore/product.php?productid=16166&cat=256&page=1 |
| 22:45.58 | rm_you | but it would probably be good to shop around |
| 22:46.13 | fysa | This might seem like an odd place to get it.. |
| 22:46.25 | fysa | but they have very excellent prices and are a real distributor: http://pointofpower.com/Screens/index.htm |
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| 22:46.41 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:47.03 | fysa | because of the reflectivity of the material, waves aren't very noticeable while the projector is on. |
| 22:47.16 | fysa | the light is sent back to the source regardless of the angle of waves formed on the screen |
| 22:47.44 | fysa | the "Model B" is fine for up to 106" or so |
| 22:48.08 | fysa | which is that 52"x92" |
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| 22:48.29 | fysa | you can order it with custom drops/extra border on the top/bottom |
| 22:48.44 | fysa | and I believe they can get you a sample. |
| 22:49.30 | fysa | anyway.. I had mine for a couple of years and had it been the electric version, it would have outlasted many projectors to come ;) |
| 22:49.42 | rm_you | heh |
| 22:50.04 | rm_you | i may be starting off with a white bedsheet >_< |
| 22:50.05 | rm_you | until i get money to buy a decent screen T_T |
| 22:50.26 | rm_you | unless i go with something cheapish like the lumenlab one |
| 22:50.29 | fysa | I had a DIY screen first -- polywall/laminate/waterproof wall paneling. $8 a sheet. |
| 22:50.37 | rm_you | heh |
| 22:50.51 | fysa | built a frame, worked very well. |
| 22:51.13 | fysa | bedsheet doesn't work so hot -- it lets a lot of light bleed through. you can get blackout cloth for dirt cheap from a fabric store. |
| 22:51.29 | fysa | that will give you an easy/cheap 1.0ish gain |
| 22:52.20 | fysa | either way, you need a projector first :) |
| 22:52.47 | fysa | http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533748576116946 |
| 22:52.50 | fysa | that is the old setup.. |
| 22:53.02 | fysa | http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533744281149634 |
| 22:53.40 | fysa | had mythtv switching between the CRT http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054536097923227970 and the projector http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054555975031873970 through the remote |
| 22:56.03 | rm_you | hrm |
| 22:57.07 | rm_you | yeah... my problem is my workspace... i need to use the engineering mechanics lab to work... which means I need to convinve my engineer friends to help :P |
| 22:57.26 | rm_you | which means I never get anything done because they are busy 24/7 with... engineering :P |
| 22:57.48 | rm_you | so it's been sitting in this nearly completed state for like a month |
| 22:57.50 | rm_you | or two. |
| 22:58.43 | lcuk | tell them they can watch superbowl if they help |
| 22:59.02 | lcuk | or just bribe them with beer |
| 22:59.23 | |tbb| | again, could anyone tell me if there is a log file of loading sequence and where to find |
| 22:59.58 | lcuk | tbb, never seen a log and would be just as interested as you |
| 23:00.36 | lcuk | actually, bit of a lie, when i first started i saw someone doing boot stats with a recompiled kernel |
| 23:02.21 | sibbe | <- someone |
| 23:02.24 | sibbe | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png |
| 23:03.31 | lcuk | :O yes it was |
| 23:03.50 | lcuk | i was very impressed by what i saw. |
| 23:05.10 | sibbe | i'm still too lazy to blog my maemo stuff.. |
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| 23:12.10 | fysa | that's hot. |
| 23:12.23 | fysa | I want to print that and keep it on my wall. |
| 23:13.24 | |tbb| | and the optimize it ;) |
| 23:14.31 | rm_you | wtf *IS* dsme? |
| 23:25.15 | elb | haHA, jed on OS2008 |
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| 23:28.36 | fernd | Hey, I am looking for a way to disable the onscreen keyboard. I am trying to develop some data entry screens with special buttons that adjust the entry fields and the onscreen keyboard keeps getting in the way. When you have 20 or more entry fields this can be annoying. |
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| 23:30.00 | elb | hmm I could get 80x25 if I could ditch the osso-xterm scrollbar |
| 23:30.21 | fernd | Something like this might work... <Alt>k=!maemo-gtk-im-switch xim, but I read that maemo-gtk-im-switch isn't in OS 2008 |
| 23:30.59 | lcuk | if you have custom input why not use labels instead of textboxes |
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| 23:42.11 | thoughtfix | Good afternoon |
| 23:44.37 | fernd | lcuk: So something like <label class="inputlabel" id="test">test</label> And then use CSS to draw a box around it and javascript to highlight the active label with an onclick event.... Yes, something like that might work... and I would never have to mess with the hilden input stuff.... |
| 23:45.48 | lcuk | i just use buttons to indicate i can click on something, but whatever flaots your boat |
| 23:46.04 | lcuk | you can make your own button to look however you like |
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| 23:48.49 | fernd | lcuk: What I was going to do was use text inputs and use buttons to increment the values in the inputs, but everytime you click on the inputs it pops up the keyboard. I suppose I could use buttons or labels.... i doesn't really matter as long as I can pull the on click so I know what the last focus was.. |
| 23:49.58 | dphil9000_ | can i create either an applet for the desktop or a menu item that executes a shell script? |
| 23:50.20 | lcuk | you should be able to keep the text boxes if you require but lock them. when locked no user input is accepted so no keyboard brought up... |
| 23:50.38 | lcuk | dphil9000_, which language? |
| 23:50.53 | dphil9000_ | applet would be java, i assume. |
| 23:51.07 | dphil9000_ | are there any other kind? |
| 23:51.11 | lcuk | assume different then, java isnt really used on maemo |
| 23:51.27 | lcuk | try python or c |
| 23:51.27 | lcuk | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo |
| 23:51.36 | dphil9000_ | ok, i can do python or c |
| 23:52.03 | lcuk | thats not great, but it gives a starting point |
| 23:52.33 | dphil9000_ | i thought the word applet(tm) belonged to sun |
| 23:52.58 | thoughtfix | Heh |
| 23:53.25 | dphil9000_ | oh man, all that gtk stuff. how gnomish. |
| 23:54.29 | dphil9000_ | so i need a dev environment set up on my linux box to compile for armel? |
| 23:55.22 | fernd | lcuk: hey thanks for the advice I think that will help... |
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| 23:55.46 | lcuk | np fernd |
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| 23:56.37 | dphil9000_ | all this to create a link to a shell script |
| 23:57.11 | lcuk | os2008 used to have an applet which did it |
| 23:57.16 | lcuk | not sure if anyones recompiled it |
| 23:57.25 | lcuk | i think it was the load-applet - someone else will confirm |
| 23:57.30 | lcuk | os2007^ |
| 23:58.01 | dphil9000_ | well, as a programmer, this is all very educational |
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