| 00:00.39 | johnx | random thought: is it compiled for the right architecture? You didn't accidentally compile it with scratchbox set to CHINOOK_X86? |
| 00:01.09 | Bofu2U | I dont think so but I may have left it in something else |
| 00:01.19 | Bofu2U | I just started developing today.. that's a good chance.. let me boot my laptop. |
| 00:01.44 | johnx | you can install 'file' on the tablet and just run it against hello |
| 00:03.34 | Bofu2U | says.. |
| 00:03.52 | Bofu2U | hello: ELF 32 bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 00:04.10 | Bofu2U | that ARM part is wrong isn't it. |
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| 00:04.21 | johnx | nope. it's right |
| 00:04.38 | Bofu2U | well thats not good |
| 00:04.56 | johnx | it was just a long shot as I've gotten weird errors sometimes by trying to run things of the wrong architecture |
| 00:05.12 | Bofu2U | I guess ill try a re-compile from scratchbox then transfer it again |
| 00:05.17 | johnx | sh hello |
| 00:05.21 | Bofu2U | error |
| 00:05.22 | johnx | exec ./hello |
| 00:05.26 | Bofu2U | exec.. 1 sec |
| 00:05.44 | Bofu2U | interesting |
| 00:05.45 | Bofu2U | blank screen |
| 00:06.03 | johnx | as in, it crashed your shell? |
| 00:06.07 | johnx | nice |
| 00:06.15 | Bofu2U | looks like it |
| 00:06.23 | Bofu2U | winner. |
| 00:06.24 | johnx | that's pretty interesting |
| 00:06.29 | Bofu2U | ok I guess ill keep trying |
| 00:06.31 | lcdd | exec kinda does that, doesn't it |
| 00:06.51 | johnx | lcdd, I ran into it once before...but I thought it must not be that common |
| 00:09.14 | Bofu2U | k emailing it to the nokia.. |
| 00:09.38 | johnx | hmm? |
| 00:09.44 | Bofu2U | thats how I get the files on there |
| 00:10.12 | johnx | it might be easier to install an ssh server on the nokia |
| 00:10.23 | Bofu2U | yeah |
| 00:10.25 | Bofu2U | all in good time |
| 00:10.25 | Bofu2U | heh |
| 00:10.30 | johnx | :) |
| 00:11.14 | Bofu2U | k saved as hello2 |
| 00:11.17 | Bofu2U | chmod +x... |
| 00:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | e-mail . . . |
| 00:12.04 | johnx | ... is awesome? |
| 00:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | Is fail for file transfers. :D |
| 00:12.37 | Bofu2U | same problem |
| 00:12.38 | Bofu2U | :-/ |
| 00:12.40 | Bofu2U | not found |
| 00:13.07 | johnx | Bofu2U, want to email it to me and I'll try and see what's up? |
| 00:13.28 | Bofu2U | yeah sure |
| 00:13.30 | Bofu2U | email address? |
| 00:13.54 | johnx | unfortunate_name@hotmail.com |
| 00:14.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, I tried to tell people that for years...then gmail came along with 2GB of storage and I just got tired of saying it |
| 00:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:15.45 | dragorn | if you a) compiled it for the wrong arch b) somehow massively munged up your ld.so or c) failed to encode it in some sane way in email and it's now scrambled |
| 00:16.00 | dragorn | then it'll try to process as a script and return file not found when it can't figure out what the interpreter should be |
| 00:16.10 | dragorn | or if the lib encodings are so broken it can't load the linkers |
| 00:16.37 | ds3 | or it was compiled with a diff version of ld.so |
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| 00:16.43 | dragorn | or d) stripped it w/ the wrong arch stripper, that'll ruin the binary pretty significantly |
| 00:17.04 | dragorn | ds3: Would have to be really different, but yeah. I don't think theres been a ld.so breakage in years though. |
| 00:17.08 | Bofu2U | whats the best way to transfer files between laptop -> nokia, the USB cable probably? |
| 00:17.25 | dragorn | http. scp. file share. mount the nokia over usb. |
| 00:17.31 | johnx | scp |
| 00:17.37 | johnx | or better yet: sshfs |
| 00:18.03 | johnx | sshfs over wireless is pretty nice |
| 00:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | and slow. |
| 00:18.14 | dragorn | i've had bad experiences with sshfs |
| 00:18.23 | dragorn | Which granted were quite some time ago |
| 00:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | Just make yourself a couple of scp scripts so things are faster. |
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| 00:18.50 | johnx | dragorn, I've used it extensively very recently with nothing but good results |
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| 00:22.32 | johnx | even ldd doesn't like it O_o |
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| 00:23.34 | ds3 | dragorn: I have had it happened a bit on other arm platforms (haven't done enough unusual stuff on the nokias for it happen yet) |
| 00:23.57 | dragorn | johnx: run file on it |
| 00:24.11 | johnx | hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 00:25.09 | dragorn | interesting. Well, something is screwed. |
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| 00:25.57 | ds3 | run strings against it and see if the ld.so string matches what's expected |
| 00:26.08 | johnx | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 00:26.09 | johnx | :) |
| 00:26.20 | johnx | could that be a clue? :D |
| 00:26.23 | ds3 | heh |
| 00:26.51 | johnx | Bofu2U, congratulations. You win the confusing problem of the morning award |
| 00:27.00 | johnx | please sign here to accept your prize :D |
| 00:27.25 | ds3 | I didn't know there is a distributed copy of uCLibc dev. environment for the 800's |
| 00:27.28 | Bofu2U | lol |
| 00:27.31 | Bofu2U | it works on yours doesnt it |
| 00:27.38 | johnx | nope |
| 00:27.42 | johnx | ldd won't even run it |
| 00:27.53 | ds3 | ldd requires ld.so to be functional |
| 00:27.55 | Bofu2U | what the heck |
| 00:27.58 | Bofu2U | ok |
| 00:28.00 | Bofu2U | lets tyr this |
| 00:28.01 | johnx | doesn't work on N800 or Zaurus, ITOS or Debian |
| 00:28.01 | dragorn | no, you managed to build it with uclibc, which is very odd. You did something special when you made your build environment. :P |
| 00:28.08 | johnx | it's linked against uClibc |
| 00:28.22 | Bofu2U | ok what'd I break. |
| 00:28.29 | ds3 | most people with a uClibc dev environment tend to be aware of that |
| 00:28.45 | johnx | are you using scratchbox? |
| 00:28.48 | Bofu2U | yes |
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| 00:28.57 | johnx | and did you follow a howto? or just kind of set it up on your own? |
| 00:29.01 | Bofu2U | howto |
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| 00:29.32 | Bofu2U | want me to make a new profile? or should I scrap it and re-install |
| 00:29.52 | johnx | er...just link me to the howto |
| 00:30.00 | Bofu2U | its the scratchbox one.. |
| 00:30.17 | Bofu2U | download binaries, untar, run "dothisfirst" |
| 00:30.33 | johnx | where...there are lots of howtos floating around for maemo+scratchbox |
| 00:31.12 | Bofu2U | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/installdoc.html#install |
| 00:32.43 | Bofu2U | I did from there to chapter 3 straight |
| 00:32.49 | ds3 | did you install scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.2-uclibc20040229? |
| 00:32.52 | Bofu2U | and the hello world compiles & exec's in scratchbox |
| 00:33.05 | johnx | if you have a fast connection it might just be easier to scrap this and grab the maemo sdk |
| 00:33.12 | dragorn | Bofu2U: Ah. You followed a generic SB howto, not the maemo one to get the same libs as the device. |
| 00:33.40 | johnx | I'll defer to someone else on suggestions/thoughts on if this sb install can be salvaged easily |
| 00:33.48 | dragorn | I wouldn't bother |
| 00:34.01 | dragorn | since maemo has packages and scripts to install it all |
| 00:34.07 | alterego | One of my friends just dropped my N810 at high velocity at a concrete drive way. |
| 00:34.11 | alterego | I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 00:34.26 | dragorn | Ouch |
| 00:34.36 | alterego | Not a scratch |
| 00:34.51 | dragorn | lucky |
| 00:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | Very lucky. |
| 00:34.59 | alterego | Not really. |
| 00:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | Did you beat him up? |
| 00:35.10 | alterego | It was my neoprene sock. |
| 00:35.15 | alterego | The damn thing bounced,. |
| 00:35.53 | alterego | The sounds it made. It was quite beautiful. You could tell it was like "Neah, that'd didn't hurt." |
| 00:36.15 | alterego | So, I advise people to make or get neoprene sleeves. |
| 00:36.49 | johnx | Yeah, they are awesome |
| 00:37.21 | johnx | is neoprene waterproof or water "resistant" ? |
| 00:37.27 | alterego | Nether. |
| 00:37.36 | alterego | Neoprene absorbs water. |
| 00:37.46 | johnx | ah. |
| 00:37.51 | johnx | then I guess I was just lucky |
| 00:38.00 | alterego | The idea is, in a wetsuit. That it keeps a layer of water between it and your skin, which your body heats up. |
| 00:38.02 | ds3 | put it in an otter box |
| 00:38.05 | alterego | To act as insulation. |
| 00:38.48 | alterego | I wasn't going to cut up my 150 pound dry suit to make a case. |
| 00:39.07 | Bofu2U | k so the verdict is maemo SDK |
| 00:39.08 | alterego | Which, wouldn't be as good shock protection IMO. Neoprene is pretty much perfect in that aspect. |
| 00:39.14 | johnx | Bofu2U, yes |
| 00:39.23 | Bofu2U | thanks a lot guys, saved my ass :P |
| 00:39.34 | johnx | sure |
| 00:39.38 | johnx | it was a fun problem |
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| 00:39.45 | johnx | Bofu2U, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html |
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| 00:40.06 | alterego | Anyhow, I'm knackered. Good night folks :) |
| 00:40.11 | Bofu2U | thanks johnx |
| 00:40.12 | johnx | 'night alterego |
| 00:40.16 | Bofu2U | will work on debian? |
| 00:40.28 | alterego | Bofu2U, debian is the way forward ;) |
| 00:40.41 | Bofu2U | hehe |
| 00:40.47 | Bofu2U | I just got my first debian machine running |
| 00:40.49 | Bofu2U | well virtual machine |
| 00:40.53 | Bofu2U | I like it so far. I was a slack user :o |
| 00:40.54 | johnx | Bofu2U, works best in Debian |
| 00:41.10 | alterego | Yeah, installing scratchbox in debian is the best way to go. |
| 00:41.26 | alterego | Ubuntu is the next best, though, pretty much the same ;) |
| 00:41.32 | johnx | goes together like peanut-butter and ... more peanut-butter |
| 00:41.38 | tekonivel | yo. there's no way to tune the Osso mailer to code messages in quoted-printable instead of base64. the former is (barely) readable on lame email systems, latter hardly :/ |
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| 00:42.45 | Bofu2U | oops |
| 00:42.48 | Bofu2U | you know what I just noticed |
| 00:43.02 | Bofu2U | toolchain-arm-gcc4.10uclibc |
| 00:43.03 | Bofu2U | :o |
| 00:43.09 | Bofu2U | you said uclibc was bad, right? |
| 00:43.10 | Bofu2U | :P |
| 00:43.14 | tekonivel | i'm afraid my colleagues are tangled by horrible, horrible email systems that don't support MIME properly (can you believe that?) |
| 00:43.41 | johnx | well it's not *bad* it's just that it's not the libc that Nokia's Linux distro uses :) |
| 00:44.02 | ds3 | you could install uClibc on the N800 if you got flash to spare |
| 00:44.05 | ds3 | ;) |
| 00:45.13 | johnx | ds3, actually I tried running it in /mnt/initfs but it's a different version of uclibc |
| 00:45.15 | johnx | heh :D |
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| 00:46.29 | ds3 | sigh i hate google |
| 00:46.32 | pupnik | poll, favorite cflags for omap2420 performance? (even guesses are ok) |
| 00:46.55 | johnx | ds3, hmm? |
| 00:47.09 | pupnik | just CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -fomit-frame-pointer for me right now |
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| 00:47.39 | ds3 | johnx: their db is so polluted, to get some useful answers, I pretty much have to almsot always do -ebay -craigslist -patent -patents -mysimon -globalspec to every search |
| 00:48.00 | johnx | yeah |
| 00:48.10 | johnx | have any better suggestions? |
| 00:48.13 | ds3 | and if I search for patent, it would match patent and patents, but if I do -patent it would not take out -patents |
| 00:48.22 | johnx | also with domain "tasting" going away it should help a little |
| 00:48.47 | ds3 | yeah, a database that disallows merchants to sell stuff and a seperate database for selling stuff |
| 00:49.11 | ds3 | and reverting to the old style of searching for what you want by default and not trying to guess |
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| 00:50.18 | petergunn | databases eeeew! ;-) |
| 00:51.31 | Esworp | Has anyone had any os2008 trouble with erming? |
| 00:53.55 | smackpotato | any here know X11 |
| 00:54.18 | tekonivel | smackpotato: i know a thing or two about oldsk00l x11 |
| 00:54.42 | tekonivel | smackpotato: not properly though. what's up? |
| 00:55.00 | smackpotato | talk to me about pointer grabs |
| 00:55.33 | ds3 | it isn't polite to grab ;) |
| 00:55.43 | tekonivel | smackpotato: lol, i'm not sure if they ever were very popular |
| 00:56.06 | smackpotato | lol |
| 00:56.34 | tekonivel | smackpotato: i know what it is and i've encountered it on Ultrix, VAX and Domain/OS, but don't know how to implement it, i'm afraid |
| 00:56.55 | smackpotato | how do i warp the pointer whengrabed |
| 00:57.10 | smackpotato | ok thanks anyway |
| 00:57.15 | tekonivel | smackpotato: sorry mate |
| 00:59.44 | smackpotato | im trying to make the tablet more like a trackball .any ideas |
| 01:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | <_> |
| 01:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | Plug in a trackball? :P |
| 01:03.27 | zerojay | Considering the fact that trackballs work on relative terms and the touchscreen works on absolute terms, you might have problems with that. |
| 01:04.57 | zerojay | A trackball only answers the question of "how far are we since the last check" and "what speed are we going at" where as the touchscreen just asks "where the fuck are we?" |
| 01:08.47 | smackpotato | ya i am having trouble |
| 01:10.39 | tekonivel | smackpotato: while at it, why not make it possible to use the N800 as a trackpad controller over USB and Bluetooth? <grin> |
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| 01:11.24 | tekonivel | smackpotato: just kidding mate (but it's a nifty idea, innit?) |
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| 01:12.04 | smackpotato | i can map the stylus button 5 then send fake button 1 as i wannt |
| 01:14.48 | smackpotato | its just a pain using the stylus when the keyboard is open |
| 01:15.36 | ds3 | for the X.org server, you could write a translating driver and feed the input to the standard mouse driver |
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| 01:16.58 | smackpotato | ya the is even a translating library tslib but its beond me |
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| 01:26.21 | dskippy | I am having a hard time streaming raw audio to my laptop from my nokia using gstreamer. |
| 01:27.08 | dskippy | I am running the following command on the laptop: "gst-launch tcpserversrc host=192.168.1.110 port=3000 ! queue ! audioconvert ! alsasink |
| 01:27.17 | dskippy | And then this on the nokia |
| 01:27.28 | dskippy | gst-launch dsppcmsrc ! queue ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=1,rate=8000 ! audioconvert ! tcpclientsink host=192.168.1.110 port=3000 |
| 01:27.48 | dskippy | I get "not negotiated" on the server's output. |
| 01:28.14 | dskippy | The issue must be with the audio/x-raw-int part. I've been fiddling with it a lot. Seems like that's what it should be. |
| 01:28.26 | dskippy | A few tutorials use that or something like it. |
| 01:28.35 | dskippy | But I still can't get it to negotiate. |
| 01:28.49 | Bofu2U | hmm |
| 01:29.03 | Bofu2U | anyone: just rebooted, says "you must close your other scratchbox sessions first" |
| 01:29.07 | Bofu2U | any idea where the lock files are? :P |
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| 02:33.37 | elb-tablet | I kind of wish all these maemo packagers would get with the program nd use the same category names |
| 02:34.24 | johnx | but making up your own category names is half the fun! |
| 02:34.55 | elb-tablet | And that my completion dictionary would come back... |
| 02:35.06 | johnx | "it was hard to write, it should be hard to install!" |
| 02:36.38 | pupnik | hehe |
| 02:36.58 | elb-tablet | Hmm, turning off the second language brought back the dictionary |
| 02:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Plug in a trackball? :P |
| 02:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | Crap |
| 02:37.31 | elb-tablet | These input methods seem a bit buggy ;-) |
| 02:37.55 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: you interested in working on exult by any chance? |
| 02:38.22 | Tama^2 | trackball? plug in a *paddle* I say |
| 02:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I lack three things: skills, time, and a development environment. |
| 02:39.35 | pupnik | it's not rocket science but i just don't understand enough about C |
| 02:39.53 | pupnik | oh well ... nothing to do but press on |
| 02:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | My biggest problem is that I'm all PPC here. |
| 02:41.21 | elb-tablet | Doesn't sound problematic to me! |
| 02:41.33 | Tama^2 | C? bring it on! ;) |
| 02:42.39 | petergunn | ever tried k ? - it beats the pants of C |
| 02:42.46 | j0tt | pupnik: have you done anything more about it? i started some mouse-button swapping against exult 1.2 (the current cvs did crash too frequently for me) |
| 02:43.05 | pupnik | j0tt: HI!!!! |
| 02:43.30 | pupnik | current cvs crashing too much for me too! i'm working on integrating the pocketPC changes |
| 02:44.14 | pupnik | so I created my own __tablet__ #define like the UNDER_CE define |
| 02:44.27 | pupnik | and went through the tree picking which parts of the UNDER_CE would apply to the tablet |
| 02:44.48 | pupnik | then i added Keyboard_gump and touchscreen to the automake stuff (but i don't understand if that's working right) |
| 02:45.16 | pupnik | trying to make upstream-compatible changes (it's not so easy) |
| 02:45.27 | pupnik | but if we just hacked the source for a 'forked' build it would be a lot easier |
| 02:45.50 | pupnik | just include manually the code needed and there won't be so many problems with the includes and links |
| 02:45.50 | j0tt | yeah i tried that too .. (UNDER_CE stuff..) but all much too unstable at the moment |
| 02:46.27 | pupnik | :/ |
| 02:46.46 | pupnik | i have something that mostly-builds... do you want to take a look at it and see why the final link fails? |
| 02:47.05 | pupnik | or can you share your cvs tree with the merged under_ce stuff? |
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| 02:50.31 | j0tt | pupnik: http://pastebin.ca/885766 |
| 02:50.52 | j0tt | compiles fine (that is cvs from jan 14) |
| 02:52.04 | pupnik | thanks! |
| 02:52.46 | pupnik | with those changes, does the touchscreen mode toggle work? |
| 02:53.18 | j0tt | i think it was |
| 02:53.20 | j0tt | http://pastebin.ca/885769 |
| 02:53.39 | j0tt | thats the current fake_rmb patch against 1.2 (can be used with the sid package) |
| 02:54.11 | j0tt | there are 2 more patches in the series (your keybindings and the resolution) |
| 02:54.21 | pupnik | oki |
| 02:54.22 | j0tt | actually not yours |
| 02:54.32 | j0tt | but i also touched it as you did ;) |
| 02:54.40 | j0tt | +F6 useitem 178 0 # Show map |
| 02:54.40 | j0tt | +F8 toggle_combat |
| 02:54.42 | j0tt | just like this |
| 02:55.04 | j0tt | (more n810 friendly ;) |
| 02:55.29 | j0tt | ah and i included the scaling thingie.. |
| 02:55.52 | pupnik | there are also changes needed for arm-aligned blitting |
| 02:56.00 | pupnik | Xsp scaling? |
| 02:56.43 | pupnik | the scale2x scaler works nicely, but it still requires the full 800x480 final blit, so that has to go. |
| 02:58.40 | j0tt | pupnik: dget -x http://sse2.net/exult/exult_1.2-13.dsc |
| 02:59.13 | j0tt | no.. just the zaurus codepath in ibuf8.cc |
| 02:59.23 | pupnik | ok right |
| 02:59.39 | elb | if anyone knows how to package a firefox extension for microb, I'd love to see pwdhash |
| 03:00.05 | pupnik | thanks j0tt |
| 03:00.16 | elb | hmmm it uses xul :-( |
| 03:01.10 | j0tt | pupnik: i think there is still on issue when you release the swap-button before releasing the mouse (as in "pen up") |
| 03:01.15 | j0tt | one issue |
| 03:01.32 | j0tt | i thought about some nice solution but have not yet implemented it ;) |
| 03:01.39 | j0tt | otherwise it seems to work quite nice.. |
| 03:02.25 | j0tt | ah and it's right mousebutton on tab and zoom in (or was it out) to activate the left mouse button |
| 03:02.37 | j0tt | (as in hold zoom in and tap) |
| 03:02.41 | j0tt | to drag and use |
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| 03:05.48 | pupnik | great stuff j0tt |
| 03:05.59 | pupnik | what do you think should be done for music? |
| 03:06.16 | j0tt | pupnik: ermm i have rebuild sdl mixer with ogg support... |
| 03:06.35 | j0tt | dunno it's not the best solution (perfomance wise) |
| 03:06.46 | j0tt | i guess gstreamer with dspmp3 would be better |
| 03:07.38 | pupnik | i have made some fairly compact mp3s for that. right now my music player patch launches gstreamer as a system call |
| 03:09.32 | pupnik | it's just a hacked audio/Midi.cc do you think you might be interested in implementing a better gstreamer mp3 player? |
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| 03:09.33 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Ultima7_music_mono_mp3.tgz |
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| 03:10.12 | j0tt | pupnik: yeah i guess system call is mad ;) a proper gstreamer pipe should not be that hard to implement |
| 03:10.23 | j0tt | pupnik: yeah already got that ;) |
| 03:10.55 | j0tt | speaking of perfomance: i did some (very very simple) float benchmark: http://pastebin.ca/885786 |
| 03:11.32 | j0tt | (with chinook gcc 3.4.4 and codesourcery gcc 4.2.1) |
| 03:12.25 | pupnik | higher numbers better i assume? |
| 03:12.32 | j0tt | yeah.. flops |
| 03:12.53 | j0tt | quite a jump from gcc 3.4.4 to gcc 4.2.1 if this is correct (esp. with vfp enabled) |
| 03:12.57 | pupnik | do you have to link in a different libm? |
| 03:13.26 | j0tt | no it worked.. hmm maybe i should statically link and test again |
| 03:13.53 | johnx | wow...that's nice |
| 03:14.32 | johnx | nothing like hardware you already have getting faster over time thanks to further optimization |
| 03:14.40 | j0tt | indeed ;) |
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| 03:15.29 | pupnik | what is for> ? -mabi=aapcs-linux |
| 03:15.36 | dragorn | has anyone noticed that gpsd on maemo is just plain broken? |
| 03:16.12 | Esworp | uktube |
| 03:16.14 | Esworp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.15 | j0tt | pupnik: This is also reflected in the -mabi=aapcs or -mabi=aapcs-linux switches to GCC: aapcs defines enums to be a variable sized type, while with aapcs-linux they are always ints (4 bytes). |
| 03:16.16 | Esworp | /usr/bin/uktube:519: GtkWarning: gtk_box_pack_start: assertion `child->parent == NULL' failed |
| 03:16.42 | Esworp | Any thoughts on why this error occurs? |
| 03:18.01 | j0tt | hm i guess it would really be wise to settle to oe for some optimized compilation stuff, or is there an easy way to integrate a gcc 4.2.x toolchain into sbox1 ? ;o |
| 03:20.51 | j0tt | lol ;) |
| 03:21.33 | j0tt | hmm anyway i wonder on which parts a vpf enabled build would slow down... only things like gobject based transfers? |
| 03:21.55 | j0tt | i gues sdl usually does not make trouble as it's not really float affine ..:) |
| 03:23.10 | pupnik | how about we coordinate based off your patched exult 1.2 |
| 03:24.08 | pupnik | what would be your TODO list? mine would be 1) mp3 gstreamer music and 2) Xsp pixel doubling |
| 03:24.48 | pupnik | http://exult.sourceforge.net/snapshots/Changelog there's the changelog btw for cvs changes from 1.2 release |
| 03:24.54 | j0tt | yeah i guess i would fix this state bug that i *think* can occur (not noticed it while playing) |
| 03:25.04 | j0tt | yeah looked at it.. quite nice changes.. |
| 03:25.12 | j0tt | but not worth it if its unstable as hell atm :( |
| 03:25.21 | fysa | How does it run now? |
| 03:25.30 | pupnik | yes i haven't found what's crashing yet |
| 03:25.54 | j0tt | fysa: the 1.2 release is pretty stable but also pretty old ;) |
| 03:26.03 | fysa | you seen http://q-gears.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 03:26.32 | fysa | Final Fantasy 7 engine clone, also supports Final Fantasy Tactics I believe (maybe a different fork) |
| 03:26.44 | fysa | I don't think it requires GL. |
| 03:27.00 | fysa | The backgrounds are prerendered. |
| 03:27.00 | j0tt | ---+, it uses cross-platform graphics libraries (SDL and OpenGL) along with GCC, -... |
| 03:27.03 | j0tt | it does :/ |
| 03:27.11 | fysa | hmm |
| 03:27.22 | fysa | I thought you could configure without. let me try something |
| 03:27.41 | j0tt | you could run it through mesa.. |
| 03:27.55 | j0tt | i guess games like ff7 could be played for most parts with very low fps |
| 03:28.44 | fysa | Final Fantasy Tactics is perfect for a handheld. |
| 03:29.40 | fysa | oh, right. it wants automake 1.9.6 and I haven't upgraded yet. |
| 03:31.05 | fysa | would be faster than through a PSX emulator, anyway. ;) |
| 03:32.44 | Esworp | Hey, speaking of emulators, is there a c64 emu that'll run on the handheld? It'd be cool to run demofiles on it instead of youtube-ing them. |
| 03:34.28 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/frodo.html Esworp .. there might be better ones |
| 03:34.34 | fysa | yes |
| 03:34.39 | fysa | frodo is good. |
| 03:36.24 | Esworp | Sweet. Now to fix that uktube problem. I wonder if whatever is causing the problem is affecting other stuff, like erming, mebbe. |
| 03:38.59 | j0tt | Esworp: i would suggest to mail the author or open a bug report |
| 03:39.00 | pupnik | j0tt: if you want to link-in the exult_pocketpc.flx file, you will need the .h header file - i regenerated it |
| 03:39.28 | j0tt | pupnik: aye.. i realized this later .. |
| 03:39.32 | Esworp | Yah, i'm digging for his email addy presently. |
| 03:39.57 | j0tt | pupnik: but did not dig fix as it was too broken ... |
| 03:40.15 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/885804 j0tt |
| 03:41.00 | pupnik | yes that stuff does not cleanly compile in with the linux stuff |
| 03:41.07 | pupnik | his changes seem to be msvc project based |
| 03:41.17 | j0tt | no.. it compiled fine.. |
| 03:41.24 | pupnik | oh |
| 03:41.26 | j0tt | (some mvc fixed needed) |
| 03:41.46 | j0tt | but the release is unusable (at least the one from jan 14) |
| 03:41.56 | j0tt | more the snapshot.. |
| 03:41.59 | pupnik | does your patch to the cvs included changes needed to the automake stuff? |
| 03:42.21 | j0tt | hmm does not look like so.. |
| 03:42.21 | pupnik | like including in touchscreen.cc and Keyboard_gumps ? |
| 03:42.40 | j0tt | or is it? |
| 03:43.01 | j0tt | i flushed the cvs sources just kept this diff and got back to 1.2 ;) |
| 03:43.06 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:43.38 | j0tt | but in the long term the cvs version should be used... |
| 03:44.03 | pupnik | there are a number of updates since 1.2 but getting a stable, installable release is more important |
| 03:44.11 | j0tt | yep.. |
| 03:45.15 | pupnik | do you want my gimped Midi.cc? |
| 03:45.50 | pupnik | it's in the source http://pupnik.de/exultcvs_07_09_18_770.tgz |
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| 03:46.00 | j0tt | yep.. looked at it.. |
| 03:46.32 | pupnik | ok so I'll.. build and test your 1.2, and then do the pixel doubling? or what would you suggest |
| 03:47.16 | j0tt | yeah you can do so.. i'll implement the (theoretical) fix to the fake_rmb in the next few days.. |
| 03:47.22 | j0tt | but it should work for now |
| 03:47.31 | j0tt | (hopefully ;) |
| 03:47.34 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:47.59 | pupnik | i'll keep a clean directory of your version on-hand and make diffs |
| 03:48.02 | j0tt | try to keep the patches in the debian/patches dir.. |
| 03:48.09 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:48.22 | j0tt | yeah..clean debian package would be the best to track changes to upstream |
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| 04:17.14 | kupesoft | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/31491 |
| 04:17.15 | kupesoft | blah |
| 04:17.18 | kupesoft | No injection :( |
| 04:19.36 | johnx | hey, at least monitor mode works more or less and WEXT can be implemented |
| 04:23.04 | dragorn | johnx: yeaaaah more less than more |
| 04:23.15 | dragorn | theres some definite Strange to it. |
| 04:23.20 | johnx | eh |
| 04:23.41 | johnx | it's actually more reliable than the wireless in my laptop |
| 04:23.59 | dragorn | It sometimes gets confused changing channels, and you have to screw with power saving to reliably get it working |
| 04:24.01 | dragorn | and kill off wlancond |
| 04:24.18 | johnx | the wext patch is good enough that wpa-supplicant can use it in Debian and kismet works |
| 04:24.35 | johnx | anything else is just gravy to me :) |
| 04:24.39 | dragorn | ok, see, why the eff don't people tell me about these things? |
| 04:24.58 | dragorn | Whatever. GPSD is still screwed so that has to be rewritten. |
| 04:25.14 | johnx | on the N810? for the internal GPS? |
| 04:25.28 | dragorn | Oh for anything |
| 04:25.29 | johnx | I'm more worried about the proprietary power management in the long run :/ |
| 04:25.36 | dragorn | Yup, the power management is a big issue |
| 04:25.40 | johnx | yeah |
| 04:25.54 | dragorn | These would be the reasons kismet does not, infact, really work. |
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| 04:26.04 | dragorn | Expect a test package once i rewrite the gps handling |
| 04:26.17 | johnx | ...and the fact that battery charging is controlled by a proprietary user-land binary O_o |
| 04:26.23 | dragorn | because it would seem that the maemo gpsd can't, actually, parse nmea. Which is mind-boggling since that's the reason it exists. |
| 04:26.35 | johnx | sounds cool. I don't have a GPS though so I'm just using debian's kismet |
| 04:26.51 | dragorn | Neither watcher nor poll mode works - gpsd can't figure out what the quality of the lock is, nor the altitude, nor the velocity |
| 04:27.01 | johnx | gah |
| 04:27.03 | dragorn | so everything that uses it has to use debug mode and parse nmea themselves over tcp |
| 04:27.04 | johnx | that's pretty bad |
| 04:27.13 | johnx | well that's pretty broken |
| 04:27.17 | dragorn | sure is |
| 04:27.19 | dragorn | i'm astounded |
| 04:27.43 | dragorn | so i've got to backport the raw nmea support from newcore and link it to the stable gpsd handler, and detect the gpsd signature on maemo |
| 04:27.52 | dragorn | Waste of an evening |
| 04:28.33 | johnx | that's why I'm trying to just cut my losses and drop Nokia's ITOS |
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| 04:29.36 | dragorn | But seriously - people ahve been bitching for a long time about kismet on the nokias, and yet NO-ONE tells me that theres an additional set of wext patches? |
| 04:29.53 | johnx | I didn't know either |
| 04:29.57 | johnx | it's on the mailing list |
| 04:30.01 | johnx | let me find a link |
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| 04:31.27 | johnx | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html |
| 04:32.38 | legind_mobile | any way to check the n800 battery life in percentage? maybe thru xterm? |
| 04:33.13 | Tama^2 | not that I know of |
| 04:33.24 | dragorn | legind: If you find out, let me know |
| 04:33.24 | johnx | battery-status: http://olya.com/maemo/ |
| 04:33.26 | Tama^2 | I am trying to establish what is draining mine |
| 04:33.54 | dragorn | oh good. dbus. |
| 04:34.02 | proteous | I'll write you a little network service where you can sms it a cameraphone picture of the battery meter on your nokia and it will sms you back a percentage |
| 04:34.47 | proteous | although it's accuracy won't be that good |
| 04:34.52 | Tama^2 | hahah |
| 04:37.00 | proteous | hmm, you're going to need to make sure there is nothing else red, yellow or green in the picture too |
| 04:43.28 | johnx | so I'm going to start rolling up a new beta of an sd-bootable debian filesystem for the N8x0... |
| 04:43.29 | johnx | It will probably be in the range of a couple hundred MB this time |
| 04:44.33 | johnx | anyone interested in hosting it? |
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| 04:55.39 | fysa | I can stick it up at the same location if you'd like. |
| 04:56.23 | johnx | that would be great. Hopefully after this I'll be able to release small .debs to do updates... |
| 04:56.50 | fysa | either way. |
| 04:57.56 | johnx | hmm |
| 04:58.03 | fysa | just happy to have debian at all :) |
| 04:58.17 | johnx | well this is much, much better relase than last time |
| 04:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Any progress with dsme? |
| 04:58.52 | fysa | I am going on a trip next week and thinking of picking up a bluetooth mouse for 'laptop' mode. |
| 04:58.57 | fysa | (i.e., booting debian) |
| 04:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 04:59.03 | GeneralAntilles | That would be so win. |
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| 04:59.39 | johnx | fysa, well this will include a nice GUI way to pair BT devices :) |
| 04:59.53 | fysa | very nice. |
| 05:00.03 | fysa | I wonder if we can get USB video working. |
| 05:00.16 | johnx | slow down their, turbo :P |
| 05:00.47 | fysa | haha |
| 05:00.54 | johnx | also, this time (thanks to the pkg-maemo guys) it boots into ... hildon-desktop |
| 05:01.10 | johnx | leafpad installs and runs with only dependency modifications |
| 05:01.13 | fysa | then we can use xdm to switch? |
| 05:01.23 | fysa | or just write a script to swap .xinitrc |
| 05:02.17 | johnx | They did it through an init script that just drops you into hildon desktop, so I stopped having it call /root/.xinitrc from rc.local |
| 05:02.36 | johnx | it's really easy to change back though |
| 05:02.40 | fysa | Can you send stop to kill it? |
| 05:02.50 | johnx | hildon-desktop? |
| 05:02.52 | fysa | right |
| 05:02.58 | johnx | yeah, or just find a way to crash it |
| 05:03.02 | johnx | just as easy |
| 05:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Can we boot from multiple partitions on one SD card? |
| 05:03.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yes |
| 05:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good. |
| 05:03.53 | johnx | do you have boot-from-sd setup? |
| 05:03.59 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet. |
| 05:04.09 | johnx | ah, it will tell you how in the howto |
| 05:04.24 | fysa | I will boot into debian and rootstrap scratchbox1. ;) |
| 05:05.05 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, actually, you can boot from any filesystem you can mount in initfs |
| 05:05.23 | johnx | NFS, USB stick, sshfs, |
| 05:05.26 | fysa | yes. |
| 05:05.29 | fysa | a tiny HDD. |
| 05:05.36 | fysa | with full-on debian |
| 05:05.55 | fysa | how fast is the USB2.0 bus? |
| 05:06.04 | fysa | and how hard does it push the cpu? |
| 05:06.09 | johnx | on the tablet...no idea |
| 05:06.24 | johnx | heh, you could rubberband it to the back of your tablet and include a USB power injector and some batteries |
| 05:06.31 | johnx | it would be awesome |
| 05:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Guess I'll chop up my 8GB and give myself a back-up OS2008 partition and Debian. |
| 05:06.40 | fysa | I'm just thinking to use it as a pseudo-desktop, but yeah. |
| 05:07.24 | fysa | swap on HDD would be much improved |
| 05:07.24 | pupnik | maemo chess has no online feature? there should be an open-specification online chess protocol |
| 05:07.24 | fysa | I bet that would feel like a large performance increase. |
| 05:07.27 | fysa | dreamchess compiles cleanly I believe |
| 05:07.30 | fysa | I was hunting the other day |
| 05:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | maemo Chess pwns me. |
| 05:08.19 | johnx | ah, this is what I was thinking of when I sad attach a battery+usb drive to the tablet: http://blog.russnelson.com/2007/10/05 |
| 05:08.44 | fysa | oh, no, not that dreamchess. |
| 05:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | Photoshop makes me feel like an alchemist. |
| 05:09.31 | johnx | isn't that the most awesome battery addon ever? :D |
| 05:09.47 | fysa | haha |
| 05:09.51 | fysa | that is incredible. |
| 05:10.35 | johnx | right, so I have a 20GB 1.8" HD and I'll need to get a USB charger and a small passive hub |
| 05:11.02 | fysa | battery? |
| 05:11.23 | johnx | one of those battery packs with a USB host port |
| 05:11.27 | fysa | http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=552154&Redir=1&description=i.Perris-SUPER20%20Handheld%2020GB%201.8%20Hard%20Drive%20&%20LCD%20Indicator%20USB2.0%20OTG%20Two%20Way%20Copy-External%20Hard%20Drives |
| 05:11.51 | johnx | pretty cool |
| 05:11.53 | johnx | rather steep |
| 05:11.56 | fysa | yes |
| 05:11.59 | fysa | need to find a case-only |
| 05:15.39 | fysa | 2.5" are dirt cheap |
| 05:15.44 | fysa | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817155222 |
| 05:15.59 | fysa | that's pretty cool. |
| 05:16.38 | johnx | not bad but I'd pay $10 or even $20 more for something that got better reviews |
| 05:16.44 | rm_you | :P |
| 05:16.49 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 05:16.51 | rm_you | :) |
| 05:17.32 | rm_you | Russ Nelson of any relation> |
| 05:17.33 | rm_you | ? |
| 05:18.51 | nelson | rm_you: yes. |
| 05:19.01 | rm_you | ah :P |
| 05:19.24 | rm_you | interesting! not what i was referring to, actually, but interesting nonetheless :P |
| 05:20.00 | nelson | johnx: thanks .... glad you like it. |
| 05:20.02 | fysa | shouldn't we have enough power for a 1.8" drive via USB OnTheGo? |
| 05:20.03 | pupnik | too bad we don't have power over usb |
| 05:20.39 | nelson | johnx: I'm working on a version of the battery pack for my n810 |
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| 05:21.31 | pupnik | i found some cheap 3000mA baby C nimh batteries - |
| 05:22.16 | johnx | nelson, very cool. |
| 05:22.26 | johnx | fysa, almost certainly not |
| 05:22.36 | johnx | my Zaurus won't even try to spin it up |
| 05:23.28 | johnx | on a USB hub with 4AAA batteries+host port power it *tries* really hard to spin up but fails |
| 05:23.41 | unique311 | whats the news with the wiimote and the NIT? |
| 05:24.01 | fysa | I think I might get a 1.8" drive and try it, could always use an injector cable if it doesn't work. I wouldn't mind carrying a mirror of my work stuff around easily. |
| 05:25.00 | nelson | rm_you: so .... why did you mention my name? |
| 05:25.10 | fysa | http://www.compusb.com/inotgsehadre.html |
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| 05:25.21 | rm_you | the link he posted earlier |
| 05:25.30 | rm_you | i was asking john if it was someone he was related to |
| 05:25.56 | johnx | but I was too dull to get the connection :D |
| 05:25.58 | nelson | Ah! |
| 05:26.08 | fysa | that's not too bad. |
| 05:28.17 | fysa | http://www.usbgo.com/ |
| 05:28.25 | fysa | three AAA's, $40, and slightly ugly |
| 05:29.27 | johnx | yeah, that's pretty ugly |
| 05:30.31 | dragorn | It's a shame that theres absolutely no reason to hook my camera up to my nokia |
| 05:30.38 | dragorn | because i've got more space in the cam than the 810 |
| 05:30.44 | fysa | why not? |
| 05:30.50 | fysa | you can use the nokia to upload straight to flickr/picasa |
| 05:30.51 | johnx | dragorn, use it the other way around? |
| 05:31.01 | dragorn | johnx: can't do UMS on the cam |
| 05:31.29 | johnx | as in: "it won't act like a card reader" ? O_o |
| 05:31.34 | dragorn | correct |
| 05:31.47 | johnx | that's unfortunate :/ |
| 05:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | Is the reboot actually required after each filesystem format? |
| 05:32.13 | johnx | I had a great idea involving that "friendly plastic" stuff from russ' battery-mod and a camera too :D |
| 05:32.37 | johnx | format? no. repartition? almost certainly not. |
| 05:32.42 | dragorn | fysa: if I used either, and if I shot in a format that they accepted :) |
| 05:32.52 | johnx | the kernel is smart enough to reread the partition table |
| 05:32.56 | fysa | :) |
| 05:33.03 | johnx | if you're paranoid, pull the card and plug it in again |
| 05:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | The guides have stuff like this: mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk1p1; shutdown -r now |
| 05:33.17 | johnx | yeah, well they also have you mount the card to /floppy |
| 05:33.19 | dragorn | mainly i'd be interested in being able to move the files, but not having anything large enough to be worth moving to knocks that plan out |
| 05:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | Just making sure |
| 05:33.43 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's a historical artifact from the late 90's |
| 05:33.53 | johnx | now it's a part of the Linux cargo-cult subconscious |
| 05:34.03 | nelson | phenny, tell hilde "The Science of Affairs with Librarians: http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/01/what-if-you-alw.html" |
| 05:34.18 | dragorn | except that some block devices don't rescan cleanly, and if you're doing stuff with jffs you probably want to reboot to be sure :P |
| 05:35.23 | nelson | oops, wrong channel. |
| 05:35.39 | johnx | dragorn, ok. that makes sense |
| 05:36.11 | dragorn | johnx: for intel, it's definitely an artifact of ye olden days |
| 05:36.40 | dragorn | johnx: I might have a moment of hesitation about embedded flash, just because they're often a little funny. A SD card is probably less funny. |
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| 05:37.50 | johnx | yeah, I've had an ARM Linux handheld of one type or another since 2003 and I've stayed the hell away from repartitioning embedded flash :) |
| 05:38.51 | johnx | I've never had a problem with SD cards not having their partition table rescanned (except when it's rescanned and thus automounted before I can reformat) |
| 05:43.38 | johnx | uh oh |
| 05:43.43 | johnx | ah, sfdisk? |
| 05:43.53 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly. |
| 05:44.08 | johnx | seriously, plain fdisk is almost more friendly |
| 05:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | mmcblk0p[23] don't exist |
| 05:44.36 | johnx | you repartitioned and they don't exist? |
| 05:44.40 | johnx | take out card, reinsert |
| 05:45.42 | johnx | I'm really tempted to compile a copy of cfdisk just so that I never have to use sfdisk again |
| 05:45.58 | fysa | I almost want an AppleTV to hack around on. |
| 05:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | Aha . . . genius! |
| 05:46.42 | bmidgley | amazing... usb otg works on my n810 |
| 05:46.43 | johnx | note: the N8x0 will *not* rescan your card after reparitioning so you actually do need to either reinsert it or reboot |
| 05:46.48 | bmidgley | used a flash drive |
| 05:47.08 | johnx | so that means I get to eat my words from 10 minutes ago |
| 05:47.09 | johnx | heh |
| 05:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | Reinsert is easy than a reboot. |
| 05:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/easy/easier/ |
| 05:47.45 | johnx | yes...I didn't think either would be required |
| 05:48.05 | johnx | Maybe sfdisk doesn't actually ask the kernel to rescan the partitions? |
| 05:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue. |
| 05:48.48 | johnx | seriously...sfdisk is horrible |
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| 05:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, sweet, I don't have to look at the Nokia logo at all anymore. |
| 05:53.00 | johnx | :) |
| 05:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | Where's your wiki page, johnx? |
| 05:55.01 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 05:55.11 | johnx | guess I should link it from the front page of the wiki... |
| 05:55.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'll have a new release out in a couple hours though and it's the end of the month and I have 5GB of transfer to kill today :D |
| 05:55.53 | pupnik | would the 4.8V from 4x AA NiMH cells be too low for the 5V power input of N8x0? |
| 05:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's what I'm gearing up for. :D |
| 05:56.10 | johnx | ah |
| 05:56.39 | johnx | a lot of the instructions on that are kind of outdated |
| 05:57.11 | pupnik | these 5v external Li-Ion battery packs are like 70 euro in germany |
| 05:57.22 | johnx | ouch |
| 05:57.27 | pupnik | 4xAA @ 2300Mah would be about 7 euro with charger |
| 05:59.44 | pupnik | sheez, generic bp-4ls on ebay are like 3-9 euro |
| 05:59.56 | johnx | wow |
| 06:00.11 | pupnik | original nokia 40 euro |
| 06:00.36 | pupnik | ah found some for 25 euro too |
| 06:00.38 | pupnik | yeah |
| 06:03.42 | pupnik | found one that looks decent for 9 eu |
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| 06:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, rootfs is copying. . . . |
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| 06:10.35 | johnx | alright, wireless w/ wpa, should work "out of the box" now :) |
| 06:12.03 | johnx | but I never figured out how to set the MAC back to the actual default :| |
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| 06:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | Erg |
| 06:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | How can I edit /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh when /mnt/initfs/ is mounted as read-only? |
| 06:17.19 | johnx | which HOWTO are you following? |
| 06:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.wahlau.org/fun_with_n800_booting_n800_internet_tablet_from_sd_card#3 |
| 06:17.30 | johnx | perhaps mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs will help |
| 06:17.59 | johnx | ah |
| 06:18.16 | johnx | also, fanoush changed it...you want to edit bootmenu.conf I think |
| 06:18.44 | johnx | also, if you edit the bootmenu.conf file before running initfs_flasher (sp?) then it will copy it to initfs for you |
| 06:19.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ran the intfs_flash already. |
| 06:20.00 | GeneralAntilles | Where is bootmenu.conf? |
| 06:20.15 | johnx | also in initfs |
| 06:20.21 | johnx | did the remount work? |
| 06:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | Was about to find out until you started on about a .conf. :P |
| 06:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, "No space left on device" |
| 06:22.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 06:22.32 | johnx | they crammed it pretty tight |
| 06:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | Then how do I get an option for Debian and an option for OS2008 (mmc2) into the bootmenu? |
| 06:23.52 | johnx | let me dig into the initfs readme ... |
| 06:24.58 | johnx | you might just need to reboot to make the kernel free up a page or two on /mnt/initfs |
| 06:25.25 | GeneralAntilles | Will try |
| 06:25.35 | johnx | or just install the initfs thing again |
| 06:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | Modify the bootmenu.sh in the initfs_flash directory then re-run? |
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| 06:26.17 | johnx | modify the bootmenu.conf then rerun initfs_flasher |
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| 06:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, beautiful. Thanks, johnx. |
| 06:32.37 | johnx | yay! |
| 06:32.53 | johnx | now you are free from the worry of an unbootable tablet |
| 06:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:33.03 | johnx | plus this makes backups so stupid easy |
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| 06:44.57 | pupnik_ | ok the 770 is amazing. I've had it connected to wlan with opera open to my homepage for like 32 hours |
| 06:45.13 | pupnik_ | on battery. and i can ping it from my pc |
| 06:45.49 | pupnik_ | how the heck does the 770 go to sleep and then wake up when it gets pinged? |
| 06:45.50 | pupnik_ | amazing |
| 06:46.07 | johnx | does the first ping take longer than other others? |
| 06:46.13 | pupnik_ | oh yes it takes a while |
| 06:46.29 | johnx | I think that's your answer then :) |
| 06:46.33 | pupnik_ | i haven't been using it of course |
| 06:46.50 | pupnik_ | just occasional taps to make sure it's till alive |
| 06:47.02 | pupnik_ | i just think it's incredible |
| 06:47.25 | johnx | yeah, Nokia's power saving is pretty good. I just wish it wasn't closed source :( |
| 06:47.31 | pupnik_ | lowest display brightness, oh, and cpu monitor is running |
| 06:47.54 | pupnik_ | and my site has no javascript |
| 06:47.57 | pupnik_ | i guess so |
| 06:48.43 | pupnik_ | are there external bp-4l chargers? |
| 06:49.17 | pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15388 aha |
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| 07:11.34 | pupnik_ | http://www.amazon.de/Akku-Ladeger%C3%A4t-f%C3%BCr-6V-7-Li-Ion-Akkuspacks/dp/B000UOJBOC/ref=sr_1_115?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1201763401&sr=1-115 Found a charger that might be able to charge the bp-4l |
| 07:12.17 | johnx | I would be careful of charging Lithium Ion batteries in anything except an official charger... |
| 07:12.58 | johnx | People who fly RC airplanes that run on Li-Ion batteries have found out they can be a serious fire risk if charged incorrectly |
| 07:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but think of all the fun you're missing out on! |
| 07:14.22 | pupnik_ | hmrm. crazy how cheap some stuff is - here's a charger from hong kong for $1.99 |
| 07:14.28 | pupnik_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/zd243-USB-Battery-Charger-For-Nokia-BP-4L-E90-E61i-NEW_W0QQitemZ330207407640QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL080127159a15094 |
| 07:14.34 | johnx | danger! danger! |
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| 07:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | Danger, Will Robinson! |
| 07:15.02 | pupnik_ | guess i'll just swap them and forget about chargers |
| 07:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | I have two 770s for battery charging. |
| 07:17.30 | johnx | two links: http://www.microrccenter.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34874 & http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209187 |
| 07:18.04 | rm_you | lol |
| 07:18.54 | rm_you | i remember you always saying you would want to charge them outside, far away from anything, in fireproof buckets :P |
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| 07:19.22 | johnx | I don't even think $1.99 covers the component cost of a lithium ion battery charger... |
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| 07:23.21 | Cptn-N800 | Hah |
| 07:23.35 | Cptn-N800 | Li ion is the safest thing to charge |
| 07:23.49 | Cptn-N800 | They regulate themselves |
| 07:24.07 | rm_you | <_< |
| 07:24.07 | johnx | it depends on the battery... |
| 07:25.31 | Cptn-N800 | Sure chinese batteries named after ikea furniture may be unstable |
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| 07:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, ETA? :D |
| 07:34.56 | johnx | later |
| 07:34.58 | johnx | after dinner :P |
| 07:39.38 | rm_you | johnx: how much space do i need on my SD |
| 07:40.50 | johnx | maybe ~1GB |
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| 07:41.14 | matmo | morning all |
| 07:41.43 | pupnik_ | anybody have 'flex' for chinook? |
| 07:41.55 | rm_you | johnx: hrm. i'd be down with trying it :) |
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| 07:42.54 | alp | pupnik_: http://www.atoker.com/webkit-maemo/ |
| 07:43.21 | pupnik_ | thank Yuuu! |
| 07:44.36 | alp | welcome :-) |
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| 08:05.02 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:12.05 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:12.37 | GeneralAntilles | Why the default /home/user look like on a normal OS2008 install? |
| 08:12.44 | lardman | hrw: Am very happy using OE to build .debs :) |
| 08:13.08 | rm_you | johnx: when you get back from dinner or whatever, just tell me what i need to DL or point me at your instructions (i assume you posted them somewhere) |
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| 08:24.15 | lardman | what do you think the best way to use a vfp libm with Octave would be? |
| 08:24.27 | lardman | alter LD_LIBRARY_PATH before running Octave? |
| 08:24.53 | lardman | Not sure I want to try altering the Octave Makefiles to statically link a vfp libm |
| 08:25.29 | matmo | what is "OE"? |
| 08:25.32 | |tbb| | morning |
| 08:25.35 | lardman | OpenEmbedded |
| 08:25.43 | matmo | link? |
| 08:26.00 | lardman | matmo: http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 08:26.06 | matmo | thks |
| 08:26.27 | lardman | Assuming these debs work, it's far nicer than messing about in Scratchbox |
| 08:27.24 | lardman | partly because it has lots and lots of build recipes provided |
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| 08:27.59 | matmo | interesting |
| 08:28.39 | pupnik | lardman: did you see j0tt's vfp floating point test? does one need to link-in a different libm statically to make use of vfp? |
| 08:29.01 | lardman | pupnik: no, do you have a link? |
| 08:29.17 | lardman | pupnik: and no, you don't need a vfp libm unless you are going to use trig functions, etc. |
| 08:30.11 | lardman | pupnik: I do of course have my own benchmark tests (http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/) |
| 08:30.52 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/885786 lardman |
| 08:30.56 | hrw | lardman: cool |
| 08:31.34 | hrw | lardman: MACHINE="nokia800" CPU_FEATURES="vfp" will give you vfp |
| 08:32.22 | lardman | hrw: ah, okay, I was going to edit conf/machines/include/tune-arm1136jf-s.inc |
| 08:32.46 | hrw | lardman: CPU_FEATURES is new stuff which I still did not documented ;( |
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| 08:32.58 | lardman | np, thanks for the pointer :) |
| 08:33.26 | lardman | do you reckon fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the easiest method? |
| 08:34.25 | lardman | hmm, compiler error building gnuplot |
| 08:35.43 | pupnik | so this ~50 MFlop looks roughly equiv to a ~350 mhz Pentium II |
| 08:37.47 | lardman | pupnik: more benchmarks here: http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Application_Processor_Benchmarks |
| 08:38.58 | pupnik | what do you guys think of those CFLAGS? |
| 08:39.04 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:39.42 | pupnik | CFLAGS -s -static -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -fforce-addr -fforce-mem -falign-loops=2 -falign-functions=2 -falign-jumps=2 -funroll-loops -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp |
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| 08:40.32 | lardman | iirc that's what I was told would produce the best code |
| 08:40.47 | pupnik | i notice they didn't use -march or -mtune or -mcpu on the N800 |
| 08:40.55 | lardman | no I didn't |
| 08:41.11 | pupnik | oh that's your comparison between PXA, i.MX31 etc? |
| 08:41.21 | lardman | my data for the 770 and N800 |
| 08:41.30 | pupnik | ok |
| 08:42.16 | lardman | but yeah, you might get some more speed out of it with different options |
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| 08:43.07 | lardman | not to mention the faster processor :) |
| 08:43.48 | pupnik | thanks, interesting stuff to try |
| 08:45.30 | lardman | Curious error message - make: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found |
| 08:46.11 | pupnik | maybe it can't follow a link? |
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| 08:47.10 | lardman | http://pastebin.ca/885966 |
| 08:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, how's Synergy coming? |
| 08:49.01 | pupnik | haven't done anything with it - just tried the old version without visible X pointer |
| 08:49.57 | Jaffa | There's a thread, IIRC, on ITT called "preliminary mouse support" - not read it, but presumably that solves the invisible X pointer problem |
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| 08:51.06 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1109 will be probably never solved ;( |
| 08:51.08 | pupnik | you can copy over another x pointer i guess |
| 08:52.44 | lardman | hrw: As you're using an unsupported locale, I fear it will be some way down their priority list |
| 08:52.49 | lardman | hrw: :( |
| 08:53.58 | lardman | hmm, something's clobbering my path |
| 08:54.09 | hrw | lardman: you know how I care about it? not at all. I just assume that system is broken |
| 08:55.09 | lardman | a bit annoying though, but not something that affects you too much at least |
| 08:55.18 | hrw | lardman: it does |
| 08:55.37 | hrw | as maemo does not have a way to set 24 clock instead of am/pm one |
| 08:56.24 | lardman | ah, the clock-linked-to-locale issue |
| 08:56.32 | pupnik | thanks to the guys working on debianish tools -- quilt available in scratchbox now |
| 08:56.52 | pupnik | saves me so much time |
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| 09:24.23 | pupnik | gah, i just almost tapped my monitor again with the stylus |
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| 09:25.05 | inz | pupnik, I rarely try to do it with the stylus, but my thumb often goes pretty close to the laptop screen |
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| 09:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | I do that all the time with laptops. |
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| 09:31.11 | lardman | hrw: I don't see CPU_FEATURES="vfp" doing anything in particular |
| 09:31.36 | hrw | lardman: it should enable -mvfp |
| 09:31.43 | lardman | hmm |
| 09:31.49 | hrw | lardman: or maybe it is my local change - sorry |
| 09:31.53 | lardman | np |
| 09:32.08 | lardman | I'll edit the .inc file for the time being |
| 09:32.56 | lardman | would libc be the first thing affected? Just wondering how much I need to rm -rf |
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| 09:55.47 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 10:04.00 | michele | good morning |
| 10:04.12 | pupnik | huhu |
| 10:04.13 | hrw | someone know format of /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver files? |
| 10:04.17 | michele | whoa! why are CF cards still so expensive? |
| 10:08.09 | johnx | they exist, and they're cheap |
| 10:08.14 | johnx | and they can support SDHC |
| 10:08.21 | michele | can't seem to find sdhc ones |
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| 10:08.46 | michele | and "cheap" means they still cost more than my 4G microsd... |
| 10:09.07 | johnx | http://www.amazon.com/Type-Adapter-Supports-SDHC-SD-CF/dp/B000YZGCIU |
| 10:09.36 | johnx | but you only have to buy the adapter once :) |
| 10:10.10 | michele | thanks |
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| 10:11.48 | pupnik | how do i rebuild the deb without recompiling everything? i just want to change the Section: |
| 10:12.09 | inz | pupnik, fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 10:12.27 | pupnik | ty |
| 10:12.31 | jumpula | if you compiled the package yourself and still has the build directory |
| 10:12.36 | pupnik | yes |
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| 10:56.21 | gilad | anyone still around? |
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| 10:56.39 | johnx | I'm still here |
| 10:56.41 | gilad | got a problem with my new n810, it won't turn on |
| 10:56.50 | gilad | it was on, and i locked the screen |
| 10:56.55 | gilad | and then it wouldn't unlock |
| 10:57.00 | gilad | so i pulled the battery |
| 10:57.04 | gilad | now it won't turn back on |
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| 10:57.31 | johnx | you've tried plugging it into power, right? |
| 10:57.35 | gilad | yup |
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| 11:00.41 | johnx | sorry, I don't really have any ideas :( |
| 11:00.57 | gilad | is there a hard reset switch somewhere that i dont see ? |
| 11:01.15 | johnx | pulling the battery is the "hard reset" |
| 11:01.24 | johnx | it might be worth searching on the internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 11:01.33 | johnx | other people had similar problems with the N800 |
| 11:01.45 | gilad | ok, thanks, i'll continue to do that |
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| 11:18.18 | n0ob_ | is this review to be taken serious? |
| 11:18.24 | n0ob_ | http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/archives/2008/01/08/nokia-n810-review |
| 11:21.28 | johnx | Eh, it's an Apple fanboy reviewing a Nokia product |
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| 11:21.44 | johnx | we have Nokia fanboys review Apple stuff all the time on itt |
| 11:22.10 | michele | still, though harsh, I think he has valid points |
| 11:22.21 | johnx | yeah, some of it is valid |
| 11:22.24 | michele | and I still love mi n810 |
| 11:22.42 | johnx | whether people are willing to admit it or not Apple set a new bar for mobile UI design |
| 11:22.49 | michele | indeed |
| 11:22.50 | pupnik | as a reviewer he gets more things wrong than the N810 does as a tablet |
| 11:23.11 | michele | well, the part about scrolling is spot on |
| 11:23.32 | pupnik | i'll test that |
| 11:23.51 | lardman | anyone have any ideas about the format of /var/lib/gsp/nvd_data ? |
| 11:24.06 | michele | I find scrolling is especially bad on reddit |
| 11:24.07 | pupnik | scrolling wikipedia runs about 12fps |
| 11:24.36 | michele | reddi has quite an awful html code, though |
| 11:25.12 | pupnik | scrolling reddit gets about 12fps |
| 11:25.25 | michele | and it doesn't jump back and forth? |
| 11:25.32 | michele | on a single post page, non on the main page |
| 11:25.39 | michele | take one with many comments |
| 11:26.05 | michele | scrolling with the thumb/finger! |
| 11:26.22 | pupnik | 1) no i don't have an account |
| 11:26.32 | pupnik | 2) any of these javascript monsters is a browser killer |
| 11:26.37 | pupnik | it's the FAULT OF THE WEB PAGE |
| 11:26.45 | michele | oh, no, not at all |
| 11:26.47 | pupnik | 3) i don't even see finger scrolling working |
| 11:26.49 | pupnik | YES IT IS |
| 11:26.51 | michele | it's the web right now |
| 11:27.06 | michele | and it's the browser's fault if it doesn't work |
| 11:27.23 | pupnik | no |
| 11:27.27 | pupnik | the web page is SOFTWARE now |
| 11:27.34 | pupnik | and people who write BAD SOFTWARE are to blame |
| 11:28.09 | michele | I think the problem there is not JS (gmail goes just fine), but the huge amount of nested tables |
| 11:28.12 | pupnik | i'm not going to upgrade to a Core2 duo just to browse some asshat's site |
| 11:28.30 | johnx | we need a webkit based browser on the tablet like yesterday |
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| 11:29.09 | pupnik | i quit using digg on my PC because the retards made it too slow |
| 11:29.47 | ustunozgur | pupnik: it is faster now I think |
| 11:30.11 | ustunozgur | I remember my Linux machine being unresponsive with Digg, though. |
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| 11:30.21 | pupnik | yeah well webmonkeys who write browser-raping pages LOSE MY BUSINESS |
| 11:30.24 | kikka | Hello there. |
| 11:30.39 | johnx | hi kikka |
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| 11:35.01 | pupnik | sorry for my tone there michele, i was just watching tourettesguy on youtube |
| 11:36.29 | michele | pupnik: don't worry, I'm fine |
| 11:37.09 | pupnik | i used to do consulting for a premier web-centric firm and i get angry about this stuff |
| 11:37.57 | michele | I work on the web for... eight years now ;) |
| 11:38.57 | pupnik | anyway, you won't see much faster scrolling until n9x0 |
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| 11:39.54 | pupnik | f'n retards. "it doens't scroll at 60 fps' |
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| 11:40.53 | florian | good morning |
| 11:41.08 | pupnik | huhu |
| 11:41.08 | johnx | 'mornin |
| 11:41.10 | michele | I don't need 60fps, I need reliable scrolling |
| 11:41.32 | johnx | michele, does it "skip" up and down for you as well? |
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| 11:41.52 | lardman | What was that setting to change in about:config? |
| 11:41.56 | michele | johnx: yes, but only on some sites (reddit is the worst offender) |
| 11:42.05 | lardman | I couldn't find it; the page does load eventually for me |
| 11:42.35 | johnx | michele, ah interesting. I've been having some touchscreen problems and I wasn't sure if that was related or not |
| 11:42.46 | pupnik | j0tt: you around? |
| 11:43.09 | michele | johnx: scrolling with the thumb or finger is hard, sometimes it will select, sometimes you have to press very hard. using the nail or stylus seems to work better overall |
| 11:43.29 | johnx | yeah, I just scroll lightly with my fingernail |
| 11:43.52 | johnx | but some sites I can actually hold my finger (or stylus even) in place and watch the page skip up and down :/ |
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| 11:44.03 | johnx | glad to hear it's a browser issue actually :) |
| 11:48.09 | michele | urgh... I finally finished the article and the guy is quite a dork... |
| 11:48.39 | johnx | yeah I read like 3 sentences and gave up |
| 11:48.50 | johnx | I'm so sick of fanboys, no matter what platform they like |
| 11:48.59 | michele | check out the "operating system" section, priceless |
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| 11:51.07 | Blafasel | lardman: search for "delay" |
| 11:51.33 | lardman | Blafasel: ok, thanks |
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| 11:52.16 | Blafasel | Urgh.. Now that review is quite harsh.. |
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| 11:55.55 | Blafasel | Hrhr.. I do have to agree with the GPS part, but the rest is really crazy.. |
| 11:57.01 | michele | I don't, it's not *that* bad |
| 11:57.23 | solmumaha | you could see what was coming from the previous post |
| 11:58.03 | johnx | his whole site is about apple stuff...I don't really think he had any interest in a fair review... |
| 11:58.11 | solmumaha | few valid points though |
| 11:58.27 | michele | nokia's earplug sucks too |
| 11:58.34 | johnx | "even a broken clock is right twice a day" |
| 11:58.48 | Blafasel | michele: I can really support all his points: Worked only once for me. Never ever again, not outside or anywhere.. |
| 11:59.07 | Blafasel | (All his GPS points, of course) |
| 11:59.51 | lardman | The odd delays due to cpufreq are annoying |
| 12:00.30 | michele | I wonder how he does ctrl-o on an iphone |
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| 12:02.08 | inz | lardman, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 12:02.29 | lardman | inz: yeah, but that sort of defeats the purpose ;) |
| 12:03.02 | inz | lardman, how about powersave then ;) |
| 12:03.15 | lardman | yeah, I suppose it would be slow all the time then :) |
| 12:04.17 | michele | does it support conservative? that would be good |
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| 12:04.42 | inz | michele, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 12:04.57 | lardman | I still think a userspace one with more tweakable logic might be a good idea |
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| 12:05.49 | |tbb| | re |
| 12:05.50 | |tbb| | what is cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors that good for |
| 12:06.16 | lardman | tells you which governors are available |
| 12:06.24 | inz | For cpu frequency scaling |
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| 12:19.16 | pupnik | ondemand is default |
| 12:21.28 | pupnik | seemingly |
| 12:21.32 | lardman | yes |
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| 12:27.32 | Blafasel | I still snicker because of that review. Priceless ;) |
| 12:31.02 | johnx | New Debian beta release for N8x0 tablets! Get it while it's hot! |
| 12:31.05 | johnx | http://sheeplauncher.net/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 |
| 12:32.07 | johnx | and updated the wiki with new info: http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#HOWTO |
| 12:32.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ping :) |
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| 12:34.14 | LoCusF | has anyone been successfull in setting up usb-networking between n810 and ubuntu gutsy? (While following this guide: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html) |
| 12:34.50 | johnx | not with that guide, but I've got it working fine under Debian |
| 12:34.56 | johnx | what problem are you running into? |
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| 12:37.09 | LoCusF | hell heck it worked |
| 12:37.18 | johnx | you're welcome :D |
| 12:37.26 | LoCusF | I just needed to plug in the usb-cable before running ifup usb0 :) |
| 12:37.32 | LoCusF | yeah thx for your effort :) |
| 12:37.55 | johnx | it'll probably stop working as soon as I leave :) |
| 12:38.16 | LoCusF | lol :) |
| 12:38.31 | johnx | it's some kind of aura that causes other people not to be able to consistently reproduce computer problems around me :P |
| 12:39.18 | LoCusF | now I need to ask another question :D |
| 12:39.37 | LoCusF | how do I disable access control in X server on N810= |
| 12:39.50 | LoCusF | and I really want to do this |
| 12:40.00 | johnx | so that people can log in remotely? |
| 12:40.09 | johnx | or rather access the X server remotely? |
| 12:40.13 | Blafasel | xhost on desktops. Not sure about the N810 |
| 12:40.17 | LoCusF | well I wanna record the :0 screen on my N810 |
| 12:40.39 | LoCusF | with recordmydesktop |
| 12:40.42 | johnx | LoCusF, from a desktop? or from the tablet? |
| 12:40.50 | LoCusF | from a desktop |
| 12:40.54 | bedboi | OT: anyone knows a good USB WiFi dongle? |
| 12:41.07 | LoCusF | johnx: I need to know how to pass the -ac flag to the X-server startup |
| 12:41.08 | bedboi | obviously working under linux |
| 12:41.09 | johnx | have you tried setting up tunneling via SSH? |
| 12:41.14 | LoCusF | oh yeah |
| 12:41.15 | lardman | I wonder how one queries supl.nokia.com? |
| 12:41.25 | LoCusF | but I don't know if it is slow |
| 12:41.30 | johnx | hmm |
| 12:41.40 | johnx | it would almost certainly have some performance impact |
| 12:41.43 | LoCusF | and there might not be a listening tcp-port |
| 12:41.58 | johnx | look in /etc/init.d/x-server |
| 12:42.12 | johnx | by default the X server won't listen to TCP |
| 12:42.35 | johnx | and like Blafasel said, you might need (or it would be easiest to use) xhost |
| 12:42.53 | LoCusF | yeah |
| 12:43.26 | LoCusF | the thing is that theres no xhost package in the repos |
| 12:43.28 | LoCusF | but I gotta try a debian one |
| 12:43.57 | jku | lardman, did you find anything of interest RE: gpsdriver |
| 12:44.17 | lardman | jku: /var/lib/gps/* |
| 12:44.26 | lardman | jku: Trying to work out what nvd_data does |
| 12:44.39 | lardman | am also looking at how one can query the Nokia AGPS server at supl.nokia.com |
| 12:46.21 | lardman | I can't see anything about how one should connect to supl.nokia.com except someone saying that it requires TLS |
| 12:46.49 | lardman | I wonder if N95 owners are able to intercept their GPRS data streams? |
| 12:46.55 | X-Fade | lardman: My N95 connects to it over umts, but tracing that is hard :) |
| 12:47.24 | jku | so it doesn't use wlan even if it's available? |
| 12:47.28 | LoCusF | ok xhost up & running |
| 12:47.42 | johnx | nice |
| 12:47.43 | lardman | X-Fade: 3G stuff? |
| 12:47.48 | johnx | from debian sid armel? |
| 12:47.52 | LoCusF | johnx: yep |
| 12:48.04 | LoCusF | it needed libxmuu1 |
| 12:48.12 | lardman | X-Fade: I suppose it might be possible to tell it to use GPRS and use a user defined proxy which you can query |
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| 12:48.14 | johnx | and here i was about to offer to try mudbuilder :) |
| 12:48.26 | LoCusF | heheheheh |
| 12:48.50 | X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, try to let it connect to my wifi and replace the dns entry.. |
| 12:49.41 | lardman | the more immediate question is whether the ability to handle agps data is already in place |
| 12:50.13 | LoCusF | johnx: there is no /etc/init.d/x-server in N810 but there is one at N800 with OS2007 |
| 12:50.41 | johnx | hmm |
| 12:50.50 | jku | lardman, exactly but it seems fear of nokia legal prevents ansewring even that :) |
| 12:51.10 | lardman | would be nice to hear something from them |
| 12:51.35 | johnx | LoCusF, I have on on the latest OS2008 on an N800... |
| 12:51.43 | LoCusF | johnx: oh :/ |
| 12:51.44 | pupnik | ugh j0tt... that 1.2 release is ollld |
| 12:52.00 | LoCusF | johnx: well I have it too douh :)))) |
| 12:52.07 | johnx | :D |
| 12:52.45 | LoCusF | woops |
| 12:52.55 | LoCusF | ran /etc/init.d/x-server stop |
| 12:53.00 | LoCusF | and my n810 rebooted |
| 12:53.14 | johnx | yeah, don't do that :P |
| 12:53.19 | johnx | edit and reboot :D |
| 12:53.21 | jku | lardman, the guy mentioned as author in the gps library headers answered a couple of questions I had on the APIs. You could try asking directly... |
| 12:53.21 | LoCusF | well not anymore :( |
| 12:53.26 | LoCusF | johnx: yep :D |
| 12:53.40 | lardman | jku: ah, ok, thanks |
| 12:53.52 | Jaffa | lardman: what are you planning on feeding it with? (Either the AGPS or supl.nokia.com) |
| 12:53.55 | LoCusF | johnx: the point of all this is to actually record an entire maemo desktop on n810 without too much of a lag |
| 12:53.58 | X-Fade | lardman: I can only select mobile data sources for agps, it won't select my wifi AP. |
| 12:54.00 | jku | although it is a bit different situation |
| 12:54.14 | lardman | Jaffa: dunno really, depends on what format it requires |
| 12:54.48 | lardman | Jaffa: supl.nokia.com would provide data presumably, if we could work out how to query it, and if we can give that data to the GPS chip |
| 12:54.49 | hahlo | why gronmayer page gives php-info? |
| 12:55.06 | lardman | X-Fade: thanks for looking anyway :) |
| 12:55.32 | X-Fade | lardman: Still trying to proxy that one to a server ;) |
| 12:55.43 | lardman | cool :) |
| 12:56.02 | hahlo | I click the topic looking repositories but got php-info page |
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| 12:56.46 | lardman | I found this http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/ephclock.html which gives an example of the amount of data we're talking about |
| 12:57.01 | lardman | i.e. not all that much |
| 12:57.06 | hahlo | ah one t at the end was missing |
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| 12:59.42 | Cptnodegard | 16GB sdhc in mail :3 |
| 12:59.47 | Cptnodegard | thats 24GB n800 |
| 13:01.21 | hrw | VO: [nokia770] 352x240 => 352x240 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] |
| 13:01.22 | hrw | [nokia770] Using ARM JIT YUV420 scaler (quality=2) to scale 352x240 => 352x240 |
| 13:01.38 | lardman | mplayer? |
| 13:01.44 | hrw | mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0 on n810 is broken |
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| 13:02.01 | hrw | it check for 770 and n800 but not for n810 |
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| 13:02.49 | lardman | what does it check though? |
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| 13:03.18 | hrw | it parse /proc/cpuinfo for 'Nokia 770' and for 'Nokia N800' |
| 13:03.23 | lardman | ah, ok |
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| 13:03.32 | hrw | it should also check for 'Nokia RX-44' |
| 13:03.44 | Jaffa | lardman: I'd guess supl.nokia.com takes - at a minimum - broadcast cell IDs |
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| 13:04.26 | lardman | Jaffa: yep, might not be the easiest process to go from geoclue -> Cell tower ID -> server |
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| 13:04.59 | lardman | but then the calculations could be run on another server |
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| 13:05.32 | pupnik | this distortion/crackling on the n810 is amazingly annoying |
| 13:05.42 | pupnik | seems to be worst when playing dspmp3sink |
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| 13:06.01 | lardman | lunch time! |
| 13:06.03 | pupnik | cu |
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| 13:06.56 | johnx | hrw, it's strange that no one ran into that before...Does it still play video? |
| 13:07.13 | Jaffa | lardman|away: Has Geoclue got anything for talking to a phone over Bluetooth? |
| 13:07.27 | Tak | did we lose ssvb at some point? |
| 13:07.35 | jku | Jaffa, no |
| 13:07.54 | Jaffa | jku: shame |
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| 13:08.21 | jku | jaffa, true. Do you know if there's a (semi)standard way to get cell data over bt? |
| 13:08.24 | hrw | johnx: yes - via xv |
| 13:08.30 | pupnik | Tak, activity did decline but he posted Jan 28 to ITT |
| 13:08.56 | inz | jku, libgammu ;) |
| 13:09.52 | jku | infz, I take that as a yes? you can get e.g. cell id over bluetooth without special software on phone end? |
| 13:10.02 | jku | inz, even |
| 13:10.03 | hahlo | this /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? despite i tried to add all the repositories for os 2008 |
| 13:10.22 | jku | hahlo, look at /etc/sources.list.d |
| 13:10.23 | LoCusF | johnx: now I've got this error: http://pastebin.com/m4e3eb0fd |
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| 13:11.01 | johnx | hahlo, look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 13:11.23 | hahlo | ok thanks there they were |
| 13:11.50 | johnx | LoCusF, is that with xhost +desktop ? |
| 13:12.19 | hahlo | also got that gpg-key missing error from several ropositories, can it be fixed somehow? |
| 13:12.33 | LoCusF | johnx: yep |
| 13:13.31 | LoCusF | it seems that matchbox won't allow itself to be monitored :) |
| 13:13.43 | johnx | ah |
| 13:13.50 | johnx | maybe it's hiding something |
| 13:13.50 | inz | jku, I once managed to create a simple program that did just that |
| 13:13.51 | johnx | :P |
| 13:14.00 | inz | jku, you might to need to know _something_ about the phone though |
| 13:15.00 | jku | inz, that is really interesting... I don't mind a few non-standard tricks. I'm just not interested if the phone needs some software installed |
| 13:15.12 | hahlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.21 | Jaffa | jku: no, I was hoping Geoclue might have something then I'd know if there was ;-) |
| 13:15.53 | inz | jku, no specialized software needed on the phone |
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| 13:25.28 | jku | inz, true there is a GSM_GetNetworkInfo() that does return cellid. Very interesting. |
| 13:25.43 | lardman|home | what's that part of? |
| 13:26.04 | jku | libgammu, (gammu-info.h) |
| 13:26.15 | jku | no idea how well it's supported |
| 13:26.51 | lardman|home | should just be a pretty standard bit of info I'd have thougght |
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| 13:27.26 | lardman|home | or should I say piece of info :) |
| 13:27.33 | X-Fade | Funny gps info page @ Nokia: http://europe.nokia.com/A4425308 |
| 13:27.37 | jku | yeah, but it has to do with cell phones so you're probably wrong :) |
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| 13:28.05 | lardman|home | perhaps, but gsm is the standard, so there shouldn't really be any differences between operators or phones |
| 13:28.35 | lardman|home | though as you say, cell/mobile phones so who knows!? |
| 13:28.56 | jku | lardman|home, the bt interface is the problem I believe |
| 13:29.12 | lardman|home | mm |
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| 13:29.32 | lardman|home | well at least it might be possible |
| 13:29.50 | jku | I'll definitely test |
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| 13:30.09 | lardman|home | cool |
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| 13:45.50 | lardman|home | hmm, gpsdriver doesn't have a main function |
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| 13:50.22 | lardman|home | Jaffa: do the standard BT AT commands not work/do enough? |
| 13:50.46 | lardman|home | Anyone know how a file can get away without having a main function? |
| 13:51.07 | lardman|home | but still have an entry point |
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| 13:56.10 | Jaffa | lardman|home: I've not found anything which says that there *are* standard AT commands for it (I'd love to be proved wrong, even if it required manufacturer-specific codes: there aren't that many). |
| 13:56.17 | Jaffa | Is there a powertop port for chinook? |
| 13:56.45 | lardman|home | Jaffa: what phone do you have? |
| 13:57.19 | Jaffa | lardman|home: SE W850i |
| 13:58.15 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Using an applet on your phone over bt would be overkill. I can already use my N95 gps for maemo mapper. ;) |
| 13:58.16 | Jaffa | solmumaha: http://cellphoneforums.net/alt-cellular-ericsson/t246551-re-cell-id-k750i.html |
| 13:59.05 | lardman|home | Jaffa: I had a list of AT codes for a SE k750i (my last phone), try some browsing of the SE website |
| 13:59.29 | zaheerm | Jaffa, yah an e51 would be nice instead |
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| 14:03.22 | Jaffa | Anyone familiar enough with BlueZ OTTOTH to know how I can send (and see the response) for random AT commands on an N810 to the configured phone? |
| 14:04.09 | Jaffa | Ah, http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/SerialConnections has a Python example |
| 14:04.24 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/31/first-days-with-nokia-n810/ |
| 14:05.10 | Jaffa | hrw: you should get it syndicated on p.m.o |
| 14:05.54 | solmumaha | Jaffa: why was that interesting to me? :) |
| 14:05.54 | Jaffa | Or is it already? |
| 14:06.00 | hrw | Jaffa: it is not |
| 14:06.18 | Jaffa | solmumaha: ? |
| 14:06.32 | lardman|home | hmm, so an elf binary actually starts at the _start symbol? What happens if there isn't one of these? |
| 14:06.44 | solmumaha | 16:07 < Jaffa> solmumaha: http://cellphoneforums.net/alt-cellular-ericsson/t246551-re-cell-id-k750i.html |
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| 14:08.05 | X-Fade | hrw: Do you have a maemo specific feed? I can add you to planet, if you like. |
| 14:09.03 | hrw | X-Fade: I can create one |
| 14:09.49 | X-Fade | hrw: It is better to have all posts on-topic, so if you can :) |
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| 14:10.11 | hrw | X-Fade: I know - my blog is on 3 planets already |
| 14:10.29 | X-Fade | I saw that :) |
| 14:11.10 | hrw | X-Fade: I have to decide which tag to use. probably 'nokia' one |
| 14:11.51 | Jaffa | solmumaha: sorry, must have been a mistab |
| 14:12.31 | solmumaha | np, i'll survive |
| 14:13.21 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Found a doc on sonyericsson.com containing all the AT commands |
| 14:14.01 | hrw | X-Fade: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tag/nokia/feed/ |
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| 14:14.27 | hrw | X-Fade: but I warn you that not all posts will be positive ones |
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| 14:16.00 | lardman | and it was all going so well with no crashes |
| 14:18.55 | X-Fade | hrw: Do you have a maemo account? |
| 14:19.50 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.52 | ustunozgur | + |
| 14:20.18 | hrw | X-Fade: garage one? I have |
| 14:20.23 | hrw | X-Fade: hrw@ |
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| 14:21.38 | gok1 | Howdy all. |
| 14:22.22 | gok1 | Got an n810, wondering about a silly thing - I can't get youtube to play, it complains about old flash player or javascript turned off (which it is not). Am I the only one? |
| 14:22.34 | gok1 | (might be a better channel) |
| 14:22.50 | X-Fade | hrw: Hmm weird. It doesn't exist on maemo.org, but does on garage.. |
| 14:23.07 | solmumaha | gok1: enable it from the browsers looking class menu |
| 14:23.21 | solmumaha | under components |
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| 14:23.34 | hrw | X-Fade: I registered ~hour ago |
| 14:23.47 | X-Fade | hrw: Ah, that'll be it then ;) |
| 14:23.56 | solmumaha | hrw: looks like you need mediaserv for your videos |
| 14:24.33 | hrw | solmumaha: mplayer works with them |
| 14:24.47 | solmumaha | no need to transcode them? |
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| 14:25.27 | hrw | solmumaha: those ones are 352x240 (grabbed from PAL tv) |
| 14:25.47 | solmumaha | low bitrate too then? |
| 14:26.57 | hrw | VIDEO: [DIV3] 352x240 24bpp 29.970 fps 335.6 kbps (41.0 kbyte/s) |
| 14:26.58 | hrw | AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000) |
| 14:27.46 | solmumaha | ah, no wonder then |
| 14:29.37 | gok1 | Thanks! |
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| 14:50.30 | X-Fade | hrw: It has been added. I see you even uploaded your picture ;) |
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| 14:51.11 | hrw | X-Fade: I did not liked avatar ;D |
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| 14:53.16 | dtatulea | hey guys |
| 14:53.39 | hrw | now my n810 does not want to turn on ;( when I was switching it off it told 'battery full' |
| 14:54.00 | |tbb| | Disconnect: please change your nick, its not funny sitting on webirc and then your name appears ;) |
| 14:54.35 | dtatulea | I would like to keem my drives mounted while being connected to a computer (via USB). |
| 14:54.47 | dtatulea | Any ideas on how to do that? |
| 14:55.00 | fysa | hrw: Try leaving it on the charger for a bit. My N800 does that from time to time. |
| 14:55.25 | hrw | fysa: ugly hw bug? |
| 14:55.54 | johnx | dtatulea, you could modify the script that unmounts them... |
| 14:56.02 | fysa | maybe battery monitor bug. it feels like it wants more juice to power up than it actually has for some reason. |
| 14:56.12 | johnx | dtatulea, or setup usb networking... |
| 14:56.13 | fysa | maybe a capacitor |
| 14:56.46 | hrw | fysa: but it told 'battery full' after poweroff ;d |
| 14:56.56 | dtatulea | johnx: So it's not something deeper. Like the driver not allowing it... |
| 14:57.06 | ||cw | dtatulea: what will the computer connection do then? |
| 14:57.20 | johnx | dtatulea, for your desktop to access the cards they need to be unmounted on the tablet |
| 14:57.52 | ||cw | dtatulea: default is for the desktop to mount he cards, and you can't have 2 OS's mount one card at the same time |
| 14:58.09 | ||cw | would totaly destroy the file system |
| 14:58.11 | dtatulea | johnx: Hmm, yeah, you're right...I guess. |
| 14:58.27 | johnx | dtatulea, you could setup usb networking and transfer files that way |
| 14:59.24 | johnx | so the cards would stay mounted on the tablet, and the computer could copy files to it with WinSCP (on win32) or ssshfs (on Linux/Mac) |
| 14:59.27 | dtatulea | johnx: Or use scp if wireless around. |
| 15:00.24 | lardman | hmm, I see gpsdriver outputs messages |
| 15:01.16 | lardman | "inject customer conf" and "inject recv conf" amongst others |
| 15:02.05 | lardman | so that nvd_data is probably the "customer conf" it's talking about |
| 15:04.06 | lardman | though there is also a gps_serial_ports file scudding about, will have to take another look |
| 15:04.14 | dtatulea | johnx: I was just searching a low level problem to pick on and fix. :) |
| 15:04.31 | johnx | ah |
| 15:04.56 | johnx | just looking for something to hack on? |
| 15:06.35 | dtatulea | yeah |
| 15:07.41 | johnx | well, I put up a tarball of Debian for the N8x0, here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
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| 15:08.12 | johnx | that could definitely use some hacking, to be sure :) |
| 15:09.35 | lardman | does anyone have experience with obfuscation? |
| 15:10.10 | proteous | Ilkjne LBLLen23 lx00en |
| 15:10.31 | Tak | proteous does. |
| 15:10.39 | proteous | :P |
| 15:10.50 | lardman | ah, pretty good too, I was wondering what he was saying ;) |
| 15:11.11 | proteous | lol |
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| 15:23.42 | dtatulea | johnx: Hmm, interesting... I'll look into it. |
| 15:23.50 | johnx | cool |
| 15:24.07 | johnx | I should probably post a screenshot or two... |
| 15:24.14 | johnx | that will be tomorrow though |
| 15:24.21 | johnx | for now I need to get to bed |
| 15:24.26 | johnx | 'night all |
| 15:26.06 | |tbb| | night jx |
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| 15:28.42 | fugitivo | hello |
| 15:31.07 | hircus | hi fugitivo |
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| 15:36.17 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 15:36.35 | Khertan | good news ... i can run glade-3 in scratchbox armel :) |
| 15:36.47 | Khertan | this will be usefull for onboard dev :) |
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| 15:37.34 | Tak | glade's UI is pretty unsuitable for tablet use, though |
| 15:38.36 | Khertan | tak yes ... |
| 15:38.57 | Khertan | but glade 3 should be better :) |
| 15:39.24 | Khertan | sometime is usefull .... better than editing xml in blind mode :) |
| 15:39.51 | elb | do people use glade for maemo development? |
| 15:40.05 | Tak | I do |
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| 15:42.13 | Khertan | me too |
| 15:42.27 | Khertan | but not all the time |
| 15:43.25 | dphil9000 | finally got the IT tethered to my laptop with bluetooth pan |
| 15:43.44 | Tak | I use it for _all_ my gtk/hildon apps |
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| 15:45.14 | Khertan | not me as i code mainly in the train ... some of my gui was made in the code ... |
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| 15:47.28 | fugitivo | I code the gui |
| 15:48.15 | Khertan | ouch ... it s really small on the tablet ... |
| 15:49.28 | Khertan | and really slow ... snifff |
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| 15:51.05 | Khertan | maybe a glade-2 instead a glade-3 will be more usefull |
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| 15:53.42 | Tak | I doubt it'll be substantially different |
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| 15:54.37 | wumpus | I doubt the tablet is a very good development platform anyway |
| 15:54.44 | Khertan | wumpus > pfffff |
| 15:54.46 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:55.11 | wumpus | :D |
| 15:55.25 | Khertan | Tak> as it use different windows ... maybe i ll be able to see more than 1 property of widget |
| 15:55.44 | Khertan | as scrolling isn't possible due to the size of the property box :) |
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| 15:57.54 | LinuxCode | hey all |
| 15:57.55 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 15:58.10 | LinuxCode | btw guys/gals...dont use the rss reader applet and let it scroll |
| 15:58.17 | LinuxCode | it eats ya cpu and slows ya device down |
| 15:58.19 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 15:58.25 | LinuxCode | looks nice...works rubbish |
| 15:59.09 | LinuxCode | at first I thought I installed so much junk that the main menu just needed longer to load |
| 15:59.11 | LinuxCode | haha |
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| 16:00.11 | LinuxCode | also...with older Access Points you might experience packet loss |
| 16:00.18 | LinuxCode | I think its a linux related issue |
| 16:00.40 | LinuxCode | bought a new wireless router ..with wpa-psk2 ..works fine |
| 16:02.03 | wumpus | yeah that's known it doesn't work with WEP very well |
| 16:02.25 | Blafasel | works for me |
| 16:04.02 | LinuxCode | wumpus, yeh |
| 16:04.15 | LinuxCode | is ok though...that thing was very old and insecure |
| 16:04.18 | LinuxCode | well more insecure |
| 16:04.21 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 16:04.23 | LinuxCode | so... |
| 16:04.32 | Khertan | ouch glade-2 as too many dependancy |
| 16:04.34 | LinuxCode | bought an all in one modem/router/adsl2 |
| 16:04.49 | LinuxCode | which then also replaced the adsl1 modem |
| 16:05.26 | zoran | so, you have wpa2 aes? |
| 16:05.35 | LinuxCode | aes ? |
| 16:05.43 | wumpus | yeah nobody shouldn't be using WEP anyway anymore |
| 16:05.45 | zoran | kind of encryption |
| 16:06.00 | LinuxCode | wumpus, you mean nobody should be using wep hehe |
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| 16:06.09 | LinuxCode | zoran, errrm |
| 16:06.27 | zoran | what ap you bought? |
| 16:06.34 | LinuxCode | I know what aes is... |
| 16:06.37 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 16:06.47 | LinuxCode | didnt know some APs supported aes crypto |
| 16:06.52 | wumpus | LinuxCode: hahah yes I mean that |
| 16:06.54 | LinuxCode | zoran, nothing fancy.. |
| 16:07.01 | LinuxCode | DG834 netgear |
| 16:07.02 | LinuxCode | btw! |
| 16:07.04 | wumpus | well you have wpa2/tkip and wpa/aes |
| 16:07.08 | LinuxCode | netgear rock! |
| 16:07.10 | wumpus | most access points support both |
| 16:07.38 | wumpus | wpa2/aes |
| 16:07.38 | LinuxCode | they give instructions for linux users |
| 16:07.38 | dphil9000 | if anyone on my street thinks my 7600k dsl is worth leeching, more power to them |
| 16:07.38 | LinuxCode | wumpus, interesting |
| 16:07.38 | dphil9000 | 760k |
| 16:07.39 | LinuxCode | dphil9000, thats not the point |
| 16:07.41 | dphil9000 | dang BT KB |
| 16:07.41 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 16:07.57 | LinuxCode | as a winblows user i.e. not a decent integrated firewall |
| 16:08.00 | wumpus | as aes is more secure, you should be using that if you have the choice |
| 16:08.02 | dphil9000 | yeah i know wep is lame |
| 16:08.06 | LinuxCode | I wouldnt want my AP to be used |
| 16:08.12 | wumpus | but still all wpa2 is hard to hack |
| 16:08.20 | wumpus | wep is trivial (ie, three minutes :P) |
| 16:08.30 | LinuxCode | wumpus, pre-shared keys is kinda .... secure |
| 16:08.31 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 16:08.38 | LinuxCode | unless your key is aaaa |
| 16:08.40 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 16:08.49 | LinuxCode | but then you deserve whats coming at you |
| 16:08.51 | wumpus | indeed |
| 16:09.12 | hrw | LinuxCode: pwgen generate nice keys |
| 16:09.13 | LinuxCode | wumpus, yeh when I cracked mine in a 10 mins |
| 16:09.22 | LinuxCode | I unplugged in |
| 16:09.30 | LinuxCode | but then I have gigabit in the house |
| 16:09.36 | LinuxCode | I dont wireless at all |
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| 16:09.42 | LinuxCode | only using it because of the N810 |
| 16:09.44 | hrw | kUApzoVb7Hcod4Ek43bFiapk4T7CrdCU for example |
| 16:09.50 | LinuxCode | if it wasnt for that Id switch it off |
| 16:09.52 | wumpus | I don't want to put cables everywhere :p |
| 16:10.04 | LinuxCode | hrw, yep use that to make passwords for bots |
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| 16:10.23 | LinuxCode | wumpus, well I had the house rewired...the power lines were too few and insecure |
| 16:10.25 | zoran | for wpa2 aes make a 65 letter pass |
| 16:10.32 | LinuxCode | after I fried a machine..it ws all replaced |
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| 16:11.11 | LinuxCode | and then I took the opportunity to put 4 cat5e lines in |
| 16:11.19 | wumpus | LinuxCode: sure, but if you want to use your laptop/tablet everywhere in the house that'd be an awful lot of wire :) |
| 16:11.24 | dphil9000 | don't think my kids' xo laptop can use wpa |
| 16:11.32 | LinuxCode | for each room to accommodate VoIP and other future stuff |
| 16:11.39 | dphil9000 | neither does the old router |
| 16:11.45 | LinuxCode | dphil9000, isolate it |
| 16:11.47 | wumpus | dphil9000: usually it's just a matter of upgrading the wifi drivers |
| 16:11.48 | LinuxCode | should be ok |
| 16:12.02 | LinuxCode | wumpus, the card is integrated |
| 16:12.06 | LinuxCode | or chip |
| 16:12.07 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 16:12.23 | LinuxCode | of the xo doesnt support it chipset wise |
| 16:12.24 | wumpus | what does that have to do with upgrading drivers? |
| 16:12.26 | elb | dphil9000: it should be able to do WPA with a recent OS revision |
| 16:12.29 | LinuxCode | you are stuffed |
| 16:12.40 | LinuxCode | dphil9000, there ya go ;-D |
| 16:12.42 | wumpus | it has nothing to do with chipset support, encryption is done in software |
| 16:12.47 | LinuxCode | elb, interesting elb ;-D |
| 16:13.09 | LinuxCode | wumpus, ahhh |
| 16:13.10 | elb | wumpus: chipsets do have to support WPA |
| 16:13.20 | LinuxCode | yes I thought so too |
| 16:13.21 | zoran | some older chips do not handle wpa |
| 16:13.25 | elb | although I really don't understand how or why |
| 16:13.28 | dphil9000 | i'm too busy playinng with my gentoo laptop and the n810 to botherr with the xo and security |
| 16:13.32 | LinuxCode | like my ME102 rofl |
| 16:13.37 | zoran | atheros is the way to go |
| 16:14.13 | wumpus | elb: the drivers have to support it, and some chipsets might not have sufficient drivers, though those must be really crappily old |
| 16:14.21 | LinuxCode | zoran, I had a usb wlan adapter and bought a pc-card for my old laptop.. seems well supported |
| 16:14.24 | LinuxCode | thanks to atheros |
| 16:14.48 | zoran | what os? |
| 16:14.58 | LinuxCode | any of you remember when you had major problems getting hardware to work in linux lol |
| 16:15.00 | dphil9000 | n8xx + evdo laptop = net and voip everywhere |
| 16:15.00 | elb | wumpus: yes, but -- it doesn't seem t obe able to be bolted on to pre-WPA chipsets |
| 16:15.02 | wumpus | yeah for atheros you can find anything |
| 16:15.04 | LinuxCode | zoran, fedora 8 |
| 16:15.14 | wumpus | elb: for my laptops it went ok |
| 16:15.52 | elb | wumpus: even Apple never supported WPA for their Orinoco AirPort cards |
| 16:15.53 | wumpus | it was indeed just 'bolted on' with a driver upgrade |
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| 16:15.53 | wumpus | well yeah apple :) |
| 16:15.53 | elb | if the chipset has certain features, I think you *can* |
| 16:15.55 | wumpus | they want to sell more hardware :P |
| 16:15.56 | elb | but if it doesn't, I think you're lost |
| 16:16.04 | zoran | openbsd has some strange decision for wpa |
| 16:16.19 | dphil9000 | apple sells the sizzle, not the steak |
| 16:16.40 | zoran | they like n protocol |
| 16:16.54 | zoran | not supported in linux and bsd yet, as I know |
| 16:17.21 | dphil9000 | no 802.11n? |
| 16:17.26 | wumpus | depends on the chip I think |
| 16:17.28 | elb | yeah, I'm reading a page here that says that early 802.11b devices need firware updates |
| 16:17.30 | zoran | not on freebasd |
| 16:18.01 | wumpus | I'm sure some n devices must be supported in linux by now |
| 16:18.22 | wumpus | but yeah open source wifi driver development goes really slow due to political reasons |
| 16:18.26 | dphil9000 | at leaast in linux, i'd swear i saw n stuff in the kernel config |
| 16:18.44 | zoran | it is a matter of openess of the hardware |
| 16:18.55 | lardman | ~lart control flow graph flattening |
| 16:18.55 | infobot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down control flow graph flattening's throat until control flow graph flattening puts on 150lbs |
| 16:19.14 | wumpus | yes the closedness of wifi hardware is forced for political reasons (ie, radios are dangerous mmkay) |
| 16:19.37 | dphil9000 | the newest intel 4965 is mostly open with a small binary firmware. that seems reasonable. |
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| 16:19.40 | zoran | green people living in radios could make invasion |
| 16:19.48 | Tak | damn |
| 16:19.51 | Tak | ~lart Tak |
| 16:19.51 | infobot | whips out his power stapler and staples Tak's foot to the floor |
| 16:19.59 | Tak | aww, why can't I get the doughnut one?! |
| 16:20.02 | zoran | yeah, intel learnt a lesson |
| 16:20.13 | lardman | Tak: I'll swap you |
| 16:20.34 | wumpus | dphil9000: this firmware is integrated into the card or a binary host blob? |
| 16:20.42 | zoran | also taek a look at intell drivers for their graphical chops |
| 16:20.49 | zoran | *chips |
| 16:20.51 | dphil9000 | binary driver that you install |
| 16:21.14 | dphil9000 | don't know how it works internally |
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| 16:21.31 | zoran | no full disclosure, probably |
| 16:21.43 | wumpus | those are bad as they tie you to a certain platform |
| 16:22.01 | zoran | amd politics look better |
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| 16:22.21 | dphil9000 | most of the driverr gets compiled, but the firmware file gets placed in /lib/firmware by the package insstaller |
| 16:22.47 | lardman | Tak: I want them unflattened though! |
| 16:22.55 | wumpus | ooh so the firmware is executed by the device itself,then it's no problem |
| 16:23.21 | dphil9000 | tis iGo bluuetooth keyboard is nice on the n810, but the duplicate letters gets annoying |
| 16:23.24 | zoran | it all started for atheros driver on freebsd |
| 16:24.13 | Tak | ohh |
| 16:24.16 | elb | dphil9000: does the hardware have a busted debouncer? |
| 16:24.21 | Tak | that'll cost you triple doughnuts |
| 16:25.08 | dphil9000 | debounccer? the springy things in the keys? |
| 16:25.29 | elb | no, the firmware which says "oh, these super-rapid presses of the same key are a physical phenomenon in the switching hardware" |
| 16:25.30 | lardman | Do you think it's a legal requirement that integration companies (e.g. Ti for with the driver for the PowerVR) have to obfuscate their code, or is it more likely that Imgtech wrote a binary blob and that was linked in? |
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| 16:26.27 | elb | switches do not cleanly move from on to off ... if a very short period of time as off is represented as 0, and on as 1, the press of a key looks like 0000000010101101111011111111111111011010100100000000 |
| 16:26.57 | elb | and if the hardware is fast enough to sense those transitions, it needs to say "OK, less than K 1s in a row is part of the bounce" |
| 16:27.24 | dphil9000 | well, they're all very secretive. a guy i know worked on network hardware with an nda from intel. he says their ethernet chipsets have way more capabilities than they expose to the public. |
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| 16:27.30 | elb | so, my question is, is it simply a repeat rate problem (the keys are held too long), or is it a bounce problem? |
| 16:28.00 | wumpus | dphil9000: yep, it allows them to sell the same chip to different markets as if a different product |
| 16:28.16 | dphil9000 | i hit thee keys a normal amount of time, but multiiple keystrokess are sent to the IT. |
| 16:29.31 | elb | yeah, that's unfortunate |
| 16:29.32 | dphil9000 | the IT has 2 bluetooth connections, one with the keyboard, and one with tthe evdo laptop to get to the net. |
| 16:29.35 | wumpus | all hardware vendors do that, but some just disable the extra features in hardware (ie, by busting connections inside) instead of relying on secret firmware |
| 16:29.59 | wumpus | which is imo better |
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| 16:30.54 | dphil9000 | i like to think if we can reverse engineer hard ennough we can find all the backdoors and seekrit features |
| 16:31.25 | Tak | dphil9000: sure, but by then the hardware's beyond obsolete |
| 16:31.36 | dphil9000 | ndaa's are never roock solid, people leak info |
| 16:32.07 | zoran | maybe some option in xorg conf or alike |
| 16:32.21 | zoran | xkb-something |
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| 16:38.54 | dphil9000 | anybody else using bluetooth pan on the n810? |
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| 16:39.56 | zoran | does mplayer on 770/800/810 work in console mode for internet radio? like "mplayer -cache 128 mms://station..." |
| 16:42.00 | hrw | zoran: give me url of radio and I will tell you |
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| 16:42.32 | hrw | zoran: and nokia 810 does not run linux. you mean n810 ;) |
| 16:42.40 | zoran | hrw, yep :) |
| 16:43.14 | hrw | so what with mms:// station to test? |
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| 16:43.32 | LinuxCode | eww mms |
| 16:43.39 | zoran | something from live365.com |
| 16:43.48 | zoran | counry |
| 16:43.54 | zoran | *country |
| 16:44.01 | LinuxCode | country! |
| 16:44.14 | Tak | humppa! |
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| 16:44.36 | hrw | Tak: humppa.. argh ;D |
| 16:44.48 | hrw | zoran: you give me url, I do test. simple rule ;D |
| 16:44.57 | zoran | k |
| 16:45.06 | LinuxCode | mms i detest |
| 16:45.11 | LinuxCode | mp3 i feel free |
| 16:46.21 | Tak | s/free/patent-encumbered/ |
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| 16:47.32 | Khertan | ttp://www.live365.com/play/167157?auth=6488e77f7651eb08e392f6efd5623f1d-1201826785-metal_blade_radio&tag=live365&token=67a3b0262bd1c678e039cfe6ab96f70d-4616310080100000&sid=212.234.187.150-1201797923678408&lid=j-fra&from=pls |
| 16:47.33 | Khertan | ? |
| 16:47.37 | Khertan | +h |
| 16:47.40 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:48.09 | LinuxCode | hrw, happy typing that in ;-| |
| 16:48.11 | LinuxCode | better ssh |
| 16:48.13 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 16:49.00 | zoran | huh, just cannot get addres of any of those graphical pages for country!!! |
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| 16:51.32 | hrw | AUDIO: 11025 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 32.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 4000->44100) |
| 16:51.34 | hrw | works |
| 16:51.55 | zoran | http://www.sky.fm/mp3/country.pls |
| 16:52.27 | zoran | k, gonna install it on gregale! |
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| 16:53.54 | zoran | hm, pls, asx, ram... |
| 16:54.48 | gilad | hrw: does that mean you got your n810 back up ? |
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| 16:59.55 | lardman | cu chaps |
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| 16:59.59 | pupnik | lardman: did you find anybody else interested in getting stuff running on dsp? |
| 17:00.01 | pupnik | ah |
| 17:00.09 | lardman|gone | not quite gone yet |
| 17:00.21 | pupnik | :) |
| 17:00.42 | lardman|gone | dhd is interested and just had an email from Philipp Zabel (on the list) about DSP stuff too |
| 17:00.53 | lardman|gone | so there seems to be some interest at least |
| 17:01.03 | pupnik | better than none i guess |
| 17:01.13 | pupnik | will check the list |
| 17:01.19 | lardman|gone | rm_you was also setting up a toolchain iirc |
| 17:01.29 | lardman|gone | it was off-list |
| 17:01.41 | lardman|gone | I should have said (from the list) |
| 17:01.57 | lardman|gone | anyway, really going now, might be on later at home, bye |
| 17:02.20 | pupnik | opk cheersk |
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| 17:03.50 | hrw | gilad: yes |
| 17:05.29 | gilad | any hints? |
| 17:05.35 | gilad | mine is still down |
| 17:05.45 | gilad | no response to being plugged in |
| 17:06.04 | hrw | leave it as it is |
| 17:06.47 | gilad | plugged in? for how long? |
| 17:07.26 | hrw | I did not checked time - it just started in one moment |
| 17:07.56 | gilad | ok, thanks |
| 17:08.02 | coffee88 | hi. anyone know of a good tutorial/sample app for writing a network connected app? the Maemo Connectivity Guide is just making me more confused... again! |
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| 17:11.58 | murrayc_ | coffee88: If you just want to know how to use libconic, I suggest that you regexxer in tinymail. |
| 17:12.08 | murrayc_ | But that's just how to create a connection. |
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| 17:14.06 | coffee88 | ?? regexxer ?? |
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| 17:17.50 | elb | so, after a few days with the n810 ... I have to say, some of the things I see a lot of complaint about I really think are quite good |
| 17:18.13 | elb | I haven't had even a *cold* GPS fix take more than 2 minutes or so, and fixes within 100mi or so have been taking <1m reliably |
| 17:18.20 | elb | and the handwriting recognition isn't too terrible |
| 17:19.15 | LinuxCode | elb, guess depends where you live |
| 17:19.39 | LinuxCode | cloud and stuff interferes |
| 17:20.18 | elb | this was under rain and snow conditions |
| 17:20.46 | pH5 | pupnik: I was trying to figure out how the external function calls into the kernel (_EAP_*) work in pcm2.o. |
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| 17:21.01 | pH5 | lardman told me to look at the dsp_dld sources, and that's what I'm doing now. |
| 17:21.08 | LinuxCode | elb, whats your firmware version ? |
| 17:21.32 | dragorn | elb: I've had a very different experience with gps |
| 17:21.44 | dragorn | coffee88: It's partly wext ioctls and partly libconic |
| 17:22.10 | LinuxCode | mine is 2.2007.50-2 |
| 17:22.13 | elb | LinuxCode: good question ... how do I find that out without going to R&D mode? |
| 17:22.42 | elb | or do you mean the OS2008 version? |
| 17:22.42 | LinuxCode | control panel ---> about product |
| 17:22.43 | dragorn | coffee88: Generally if you just need to connect, you're going to want to look at the libconic API, there are actually several demos out there. It's just a refcounting API for connections, so you say "i want to connect" then "I'm done" and it handles the rest. Note: You have to be a glib/gtk app with dbus and a glib/gtk mainloop for that to work. |
| 17:22.51 | LinuxCode | os version |
| 17:22.52 | dragorn | coffee88: if you need to do deeper stuff - depends what you want to do |
| 17:23.03 | elb | 2.2007.50-2 |
| 17:23.07 | LinuxCode | hmm k |
| 17:23.52 | dragorn | coffee88: wext scanning works, I'm working on some code for that right now. Injection doesn't. Rfmon does, but tends to be iffy and you need to make some invasive changes to the system to make it reliable (stop wlancond, disable power management) and i find that re-enabling power management doesn't work so well (at least, I can't do it reliably yet) so a reboot is needed. |
| 17:24.43 | elb | dragorn: that's what I keep hearing, but it's been great for me |
| 17:24.54 | elb | I kind of wondered if there aren't some problematic specific units out there |
| 17:24.57 | dragorn | elb: i spent last night writing gps code. I'm very angry at the gps. :P |
| 17:25.02 | elb | now, the map application is nothing to write home about |
| 17:25.18 | fysa | I would prefer a Google Maps image stitcher. |
| 17:25.24 | dragorn | fysa: maemomapper |
| 17:25.28 | fysa | but I think Google Maps broke that? |
| 17:25.43 | dragorn | not the last time I tried to use it, but that was a few weeks ago |
| 17:25.50 | fysa | MaemoMapper will stitch Google Maps together and give me an image that I can pan around in? |
| 17:25.54 | dragorn | yes |
| 17:25.56 | coffee88 | dragorn: I just wanna make a simple remote control type app that opens a socket to a server, sends a command etc... nothing tooooo fancy, I suspect, but still learing all this stuff... |
| 17:26.02 | fysa | and I can give it plain text Google Maps queries? |
| 17:26.20 | dragorn | fysa: no, it's a gps/nav program that uses multiple map sources, one of which is google maps, as the backing image |
| 17:26.37 | fysa | ah right |
| 17:26.40 | dragorn | I greatly prefer the vector data maps, but the mapper program interface is just poor |
| 17:26.58 | dragorn | coffee88: libconic is your friend. Theres some examples on the maemo site under tutorials |
| 17:27.47 | coffee88 | dragorn: I looked, but couldn't see much.. is that all under 3. or 4. ? |
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| 17:28.25 | dragorn | coffee88: Should be under 4. the magic functions are con_ic_connection_new and con_ic_connection_connect |
| 17:28.55 | dragorn | coffee88: that should give you some stuff to search on. basically you make a new connection with _new, then set up some dbus bindings to get the events, then request a connection, and wait for the dbus link to tell you if you've got it |
| 17:29.34 | dragorn | coffee88: it HAS to be inside a glib/gtk main loop or it'll miss the dbus events, so it raises the complexity of your app a fair bit - you'll have to do everything async instead of a simple socket/bind/write |
| 17:29.53 | dragorn | coffee88: but the docs should cover that |
| 17:30.27 | coffee88 | dragorn: cheers. and damn. but thanks for the pointers. I assume it will make writing the server side code a bit more complex too then? |
| 17:30.32 | dragorn | coffee88: I believe they explicitly say that conic links the glib main |
| 17:30.40 | dragorn | coffee88: if the server isn't on maemo, then no |
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| 17:31.15 | dragorn | coffee88: Your socket stuff is unmolested, but you need to wrap it all in the glib and dbus stuff to know when you have a connection, and you have to have an async poll loop to get the dbus data |
| 17:31.15 | coffee88 | dragorn: nah, it will hopefully be a straight listening linux socket... |
| 17:31.46 | coffee88 | dragorn: a lot to learn and get right then! good job there's no deadline for this stuff... |
| 17:32.02 | dragorn | coffee88: which means the client might need to switch to the glib socket io interface, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but isn't a terrible amount of fun, either |
| 17:32.24 | dragorn | the server side just gets connections/packets per normal, so long as you don't need to run it on maemo and do intelligent things with connection management |
| 17:33.27 | coffee88 | me? intelligent things? not normally in the same sentence, so that should be ok! |
| 17:36.00 | dragorn | coffee88: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html |
| 17:36.00 | hrw | bye |
| 17:36.36 | coffee88 | dragorn: yeah, read that about 3 times before and still no better for it. I think I'll need to go back a few steps and take a run up... |
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| 17:36.57 | coffee88 | dragorn: starting from a low GTK and c base here! |
| 17:38.37 | dragorn | coffee88: http://www.tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/browser/trunk/tests/maemo |
| 17:39.47 | dragorn | and at that, I depart for lunch. Good luck. |
| 17:39.54 | coffee88 | dragorn: excellent. thanks. I'll try to disect and digest that. thanks again. |
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| 17:55.05 | LinuxCode | ohhh! |
| 17:55.11 | LinuxCode | before I forget |
| 17:55.20 | LinuxCode | has anyone managed to get email certs to work ? |
| 17:55.29 | LinuxCode | and if so what format does it want them in ? |
| 17:55.48 | LinuxCode | p12...crt ? |
| 17:56.09 | LinuxCode | i converted my p12 because it didnt appear to like them |
| 17:56.22 | LinuxCode | and crt shows them but cant seem to sign my outbound email |
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| 17:59.59 | trevarthan | Is there any way to make a bell in an xterm session blink the LED? Or *something*? I'd love to know when stuff happens. |
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| 18:01.01 | LinuxCode | id love to know what handles that too...to see if a script could execute something to make it blink |
| 18:01.14 | LinuxCode | be nice to have xchat blink on pm's |
| 18:01.24 | LinuxCode | errm make it blink |
| 18:01.29 | Tak | xchat already does that |
| 18:01.29 | LinuxCode | not blink itself |
| 18:01.43 | trevarthan | there's an LED plugin for pidgin... but xterm nadda. |
| 18:01.46 | Tak | it blinks its icon, and also unblanks the screen (if you have that selected in options) |
| 18:02.00 | Tak | oh, LED |
| 18:02.13 | LinuxCode | tak ;-] |
| 18:03.46 | trevarthan | hey Tak. Haven't chatted with you in a while. How are you? |
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| 18:07.09 | niteOw1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.39 | Blafasel | trevarthan: You can create a script that blinks once, twice or something, yes |
| 18:09.37 | trevarthan | Blafasel: no way to tie that to the xterm bell though, is there? |
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| 18:09.47 | trevarthan | would require some xterm hacking. |
| 18:09.58 | lardman | ~lart GPS5300 for being rubbish |
| 18:09.58 | infobot | judo chops GPS5300 for being rubbish |
| 18:10.32 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, got a how to on that ? |
| 18:10.40 | Tak | trevarthan: doing all right, hacking on/with vala - how are you? |
| 18:10.41 | LinuxCode | or is it a device or does it use dbus ? |
| 18:10.44 | lcuk_2 | lardman, you arent having much luck with technology at the moment, have you consider its operator error :P |
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| 18:11.32 | lardman | lcuk_2: yeah, may well be ;) |
| 18:11.54 | LinuxCode | evening lcuk_2 |
| 18:11.55 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 18:11.57 | trevarthan | Tak: I'm ok. Got my n810 recently, so I'm in happy hardware whore heaven. :) |
| 18:12.08 | lardman | lcuk_2: stood on my balcony for 5 min trying to get a lock (it's chilly & ver windy in the UK atm) and it still refused |
| 18:12.11 | lcuk_2 | lard, has the gremlin moved to a new device or are you having probs with both |
| 18:12.17 | |tbb| | LinuxCode: you can control led from dbus yeah, theres a thread on ITT |
| 18:12.32 | lcuk_2 | hi there linux |
| 18:12.38 | LinuxCode | |tbb|, interesting...so one could write a perl hack with dbus modules |
| 18:12.39 | |tbb| | trevarthan: congrats, do u still have your s9 motorolla headset |
| 18:12.45 | LinuxCode | for xchat |
| 18:12.54 | lcuk_2 | oh poo, bbsoon (tho ive just got here) |
| 18:13.06 | trevarthan | |tbb|: yeah, haven't used it in a while though. Been wanting to try it out with Chinook. |
| 18:13.07 | lardman | lcuk_2: well there's still a gremlin in my Linux box, but there's also the standard verrrrryyyy slooooow gremlin in the n810 GPS ;D |
| 18:13.20 | LinuxCode | who is for extending the eartch day to 38 hours ? |
| 18:13.24 | LinuxCode | earth |
| 18:13.29 | lcuk_2 | i find it connects faster if i sit 810 on my missuses knee |
| 18:13.39 | LinuxCode | i require more time for fun things |
| 18:13.42 | fugitivo | hey, is it possible to network boot the tablet? |
| 18:13.47 | lcuk_2 | if its sat in the console of the car its not happy, but it gets warm and snug on her lap |
| 18:13.56 | |tbb| | trevarthan: let us know if u get it to work |
| 18:13.59 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, rofl |
| 18:14.00 | lardman | fugitivo: not without hacking the boot loader, no |
| 18:14.00 | Blafasel | LinuxCode: No, but it's really easy. |
| 18:14.06 | Blafasel | I can create one, if you want. |
| 18:14.14 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, make sure it doesnt get damp |
| 18:14.24 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, well |
| 18:14.24 | fugitivo | lardman: but it is possible |
| 18:14.27 | LinuxCode | it would be awesome |
| 18:14.34 | Blafasel | At least I can create some notes.. Wireing it up to a complete howto might take more time ;) |
| 18:14.40 | LinuxCode | but I dont think I could ask you to do that if its not for yourself |
| 18:14.57 | lardman | fugitivo: not sure, certainly someone wrote a bootloader hack to boot from the SD cards, etc. not sure if he did network booting too |
| 18:15.01 | Blafasel | Ah - it's interesting. Give me some minutes |
| 18:15.07 | LinuxCode | haha k |
| 18:15.08 | trevarthan | Yeah, I hope they speed up the GPS in the n810. Slow slow slow. |
| 18:15.09 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
| 18:15.25 | fugitivo | lardman: well, that's a nice experiment to do |
| 18:15.28 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, that would be very kind of you sir |
| 18:15.45 | lardman | silly thing is if I stand outside with a decent view of the sky it's not happy, but then I get bored and drop it by the window and it gets a lock |
| 18:15.47 | lardman | random |
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| 18:16.32 | lcuk_2 | positioning is everything, try it flat with screen to sky |
| 18:16.39 | lcuk_2 | we find it bad when its upright |
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| 18:16.50 | lcuk_2 | back soon before i get in trouble for not mashing spuds |
| 18:16.52 | daveux | How do I edit my application menus? |
| 18:17.00 | lardman | lcuk_2: lol. same as me |
| 18:17.03 | lcuk_2 | control panel/panels |
| 18:17.11 | daveux | thanks!, lcuk_2 |
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| 18:17.29 | pH5 | lardman: thanks for the dsp_dld hint, it helped me read the relocation tables. |
| 18:17.31 | lardman | fugitivo: sorry initfs, not bootloader: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 18:17.43 | fugitivo | lardman: thanks |
| 18:18.03 | lardman | pH5: still strange that the relocations aren't done at compile time though |
| 18:18.55 | lardman | pH5: what "tools" are you using? |
| 18:19.32 | pH5 | I've yet to build a toolbox. So far it's dis55, gedit and gcc |
| 18:20.55 | lardman | I've looked at the avs_kernel.out output |
| 18:21.57 | lardman | Can't find my pcm output, was here somewhere... |
| 18:23.54 | lardman | lol |
| 18:24.12 | lcuk_2 | it was fine yesterday when my jedi tunic turned up |
| 18:24.45 | lcuk_2 | the bosses wife made a "rule" which was whenever costumes are delivered they have to be shown. |
| 18:25.01 | lardman | what do you do? |
| 18:25.22 | lcuk_2 | as little as possible usually. my boss thinks im a software developer |
| 18:25.31 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 18:25.42 | LinuxCode | no cpan |
| 18:25.53 | pH5 | lardman: is http://c55x-binutils.sourceforge.net/ any good? |
| 18:25.54 | LinuxCode | guess one would need gcc and co anyway |
| 18:26.06 | lardman | pH5: Adding a static stream for example seems to just add one number to another; a very short function |
| 18:26.22 | lardman | pH5: never tried, have just used the Ti tools |
| 18:26.25 | Andy80 | anyone of you uses Maemo Wordpy 0.6 ? |
| 18:27.22 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3284/ukmp-1.73_all.deb |
| 18:27.24 | lardman | pH5: what application are you trying to develop, or just for interest? |
| 18:27.45 | konttori | With that it'll be very easy to switch between USB host and USB OTG mode. |
| 18:28.09 | konttori | I would be glad if anyone with USB F-F adaptor could test it out. |
| 18:28.21 | konttori | Easy way to attach a keyboard to the device. |
| 18:28.32 | konttori | Works also with wireless USB keyboards |
| 18:28.33 | yerga | Andy80, I use it :) |
| 18:29.09 | Andy80 | yerga: well :) could you please explain me where I can find the 0.6 version? even updating the package list, latest available is 0.5 |
| 18:29.12 | pH5 | lardman: mostly curiosity. a vorbis codec that plays directly from the dsp would be nice. |
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| 18:29.38 | _collin_ | re |
| 18:29.49 | yerga | it's in extras-devel repository |
| 18:30.04 | Andy80 | let me check if I've it... |
| 18:30.05 | yerga | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/install/maemo-wordpy.install |
| 18:30.23 | yerga | It's a beta version |
| 18:30.32 | lardman | pH5: First step is the vorbis decoder then, I'm always looking for more help |
| 18:30.49 | Andy80 | yerga: yes... but 0.5 doesn't start at all |
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| 18:31.07 | pH5 | lardman: is there any way to check the dsp's load btw? something like top? |
| 18:31.10 | Andy80 | I installed it and even if I try to start it from command line, it looks like the command doesn't exist |
| 18:31.32 | lardman | pH5: unfortunately not very easily, there's the sysfs output, but it doesn't seem to work in the current image |
| 18:31.37 | yerga | I received some feedback about it |
| 18:31.39 | Andy80 | yerga: I connect to irc from the n810, so I can copy the link |
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| 18:31.56 | Andy80 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/install/maemo-wordpy.install |
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| 18:32.44 | billh | hello friends |
| 18:32.51 | Andy80 | grrrr... where is copy-èaste on xchat.... |
| 18:33.02 | Andy80 | oh... I've to go.... I'll be back later... |
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| 18:33.06 | Andy80 | thanks for now yerga |
| 18:33.07 | Andy80 | :) |
| 18:35.25 | billh | I'm trying to setup the development environment. I have scratchbox setup on a Linux box. I'm using Windows as my client. I have an X server on my Windows machine (as part of Cygwin). But I can't start the hildon desktop (with 'af-sb-init.sh start'); it says it wants Xephyr, but can work with other X servers. any ideas? |
| 18:37.46 | lardman | billh: do you need to run the Maemo gui? |
| 18:38.07 | lardman | I never switch to x86 mode at all, compile then run on the device |
| 18:38.24 | mgedmin | billh: how did you set the DISPLAY in scratchbox? |
| 18:38.36 | mgedmin | is the GUI even supposed to work in an armel target? |
| 18:39.08 | mgedmin | (I think the qemu's emulation is incomplete or something like that, and armel GUI didn't work) |
| 18:39.09 | lardman | no, I don't think so |
| 18:39.29 | lardman | ah, my point was I use the actual device to do the testing |
| 18:39.49 | pH5 | lardman: what is at #09ca4eh? it writes ~0x0 there, and the only other reference to that mem location I can see is in _mbx_newmsg |
| 18:40.56 | billh | sorry, all, I just stepped away... |
| 18:41.14 | billh | lardman, I'd like to run the gui, but that's a good point; I could just go straight to the device |
| 18:41.50 | lardman | pH5: my address space only goes up to 0x548080 |
| 18:42.07 | billh | mgedmin, I set DISPLAY several ways. the default as used by other apps that I use is localhost:10.0, but that doesn't work. I also tried 1 and 2 |
| 18:42.11 | lardman | pH5: or rather addresses in the kernel |
| 18:42.28 | mgedmin | billh: well, if your X server is on a different *machine*, there's no way localhost can work |
| 18:42.33 | mgedmin | that includes virtual machines |
| 18:42.47 | pH5 | lardman: is there some overview document about the address space somewhere? I'm still completely ignorant about what is internal ram, where the shared memory is, etc. |
| 18:42.51 | lardman | pH5: if that memory is shared OMAP memory for the peripherls, that's interesting |
| 18:43.06 | lardman | pH5: there is, but unless you are an OEM you're not allowed it :( |
| 18:43.12 | billh | mgedmin, I have an ssh tunnel to the machine with X forwarded, so for other apps, localhost:10.0 works |
| 18:43.18 | mgedmin | duh |
| 18:44.06 | coffee88 | Hmmmm. doesn't look like you can test network apps in the scratchbox environment? is that right? |
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| 18:45.05 | lcuk_2 | omg my 810 still showing full battery and i charged it last night! |
| 18:45.22 | lcuk_2 | (first time ever - itsn ormally been flat) |
| 18:45.47 | mgedmin | finished indexing the media perhaps :) |
| 18:46.05 | lcuk_2 | nope, not done anything like that |
| 18:46.05 | X-Fade | lcuk_2: I'm sure the bme is confused. Reboot your device and see it change ;) |
| 18:46.11 | lcuk_2 | i changed a single setting yesterday |
| 18:46.26 | billh | anyother thoughts on remote emulation on a windows machine? |
| 18:46.31 | lcuk_2 | x-fade, why should today be any different to any other day thou.. |
| 18:47.38 | Blafasel | LinuxCode: well, nothing fancy but I explained the format and how to set led patterns. If you don't know that already I can provide you a link |
| 18:47.42 | lcuk_2 | i aligned my brightness period with my switch off display period and when i lock device it turns off screen now. it might be a fluke but cor blimey |
| 18:48.09 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, I will take anything that might be useful and will let me learn |
| 18:48.19 | Blafasel | It's nothing special though.. I plan to work on a "PatternEditor" as my first project on this toy though |
| 18:48.29 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 18:48.34 | Blafasel | LinuxCode: http://google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i |
| 18:48.40 | lardman | pH5: before I forget, there is some info about memeory mapping on the DSP in the dspgateway spec docs |
| 18:49.08 | lardman | gives ranges for the RAM, SDRAM, etc. |
| 18:50.14 | pH5 | lardman: ok |
| 18:51.48 | LinuxCode | Blafasel, thats very interesting |
| 18:53.09 | Blafasel | Don't break your toy though! ;) |
| 18:53.30 | pH5 | good idea |
| 18:53.40 | blafasel | Off for tonight |
| 18:53.48 | LinuxCode | so what are the colours or is that in the /etc/mce/mce.in ? |
| 18:53.53 | Lynoure | Is there a way in OS2008 to get the tool/command bar on osso_xterm to be on the side it was in OS2007? At the bottom it's taking too much space, though it is nice to have in general |
| 18:54.05 | LinuxCode | blafasel, before you go |
| 18:54.08 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 18:54.13 | LinuxCode | unless you are in a rush |
| 18:54.46 | Andy80 | yerga: I'm back |
| 18:55.17 | blafasel | LinuxCode: Shoot |
| 18:55.19 | yerga | ok |
| 18:55.28 | LinuxCode | [18:53] LinuxCode so what are the colours or is that in the /etc/mce/mce.in ? |
| 18:56.32 | blafasel | LinuxCode: Do you know the RGB color format? |
| 18:56.38 | LinuxCode | ahh ok |
| 18:56.40 | blafasel | Think of websites or whatever.. |
| 18:56.50 | LinuxCode | so that value can be anything up to 255 ? |
| 18:57.01 | LinuxCode | but the colour is 40 ?!!? |
| 18:57.01 | blafasel | FF, yes. |
| 18:57.04 | blafasel | No |
| 18:57.06 | LinuxCode | ohh! |
| 18:57.09 | LinuxCode | I see! |
| 18:57.12 | LinuxCode | sorry |
| 18:57.20 | Andy80 | yerga: if I click on that .install it asks me to install maemo-wordpy 0.5-6 |
| 18:57.22 | Andy80 | not 0.6 |
| 18:57.22 | blafasel | The first byte (2 letters) are the "command" |
| 18:57.24 | Andy80 | why? |
| 18:57.39 | blafasel | The second byte is the value |
| 18:57.44 | yerga | I don't know |
| 18:57.51 | Andy80 | anyway I try... |
| 18:57.56 | yerga | it should install the 0.6 version |
| 18:58.08 | LinuxCode | yeh so 40 is the colour ? |
| 18:58.10 | yerga | the last version in the repo is 0.6beta-4 |
| 18:58.13 | LinuxCode | and ff the brightness ? |
| 18:58.24 | LinuxCode | so am I right to assume that you need 3 values ? |
| 18:58.31 | LinuxCode | i.e. rgb |
| 18:58.45 | blafasel | Yes. Look at the mce.ini |
| 18:58.51 | LinuxCode | k |
| 18:58.58 | blafasel | The last three parts are those colors |
| 18:59.10 | LinuxCode | k |
| 18:59.27 | Andy80 | yerga: same problem... I click on the relative voice in the menu, but it doesn't start... |
| 18:59.35 | yerga | sure |
| 18:59.49 | yerga | the 0.5-6 version is the same that in extras repo |
| 19:00.08 | blafasel | Okay, have to drink some beer now - bye ;) |
| 19:00.14 | yerga | so it will have same problems |
| 19:00.20 | LinuxCode | bye and thanks |
| 19:00.25 | LinuxCode | i found the commens in that file |
| 19:00.54 | Andy80 | yerga: is it possible to start it from command line, so I can see the error? |
| 19:00.59 | yerga | yes |
| 19:01.12 | yerga | the binary is called MaemoWordPy |
| 19:02.41 | Andy80 | oh... the Upper case... |
| 19:03.37 | Andy80 | nothing... it just quit.... no error messages |
| 19:05.13 | yerga | it's a problem loading some python module |
| 19:05.13 | Andy80 | yerga: strange... I've installed all python modules available... |
| 19:05.59 | yerga | have you the last python version? |
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| 19:06.29 | fugitivo | errr, I have a stupid question... if I break my kernel or bootloader, I always can flash the device and recover it, right? |
| 19:06.49 | Andy80 | yerga: yes... all modules are up to date... no updates available |
| 19:07.09 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:07.23 | yerga | Andy80, it's very strange |
| 19:07.50 | yerga | run the python interpreter |
| 19:08.00 | yerga | and try import the gtk module |
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| 19:09.14 | LinuxCode | I find it kinda irritating |
| 19:09.21 | LinuxCode | if everything is made in china |
| 19:09.27 | LinuxCode | who else is making stuff |
| 19:09.28 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:09.39 | Lynoure | konttori: the set of stuff in the bundle seems a bit weird... Could you consider separate package for USBControl? |
| 19:09.46 | LinuxCode | belkin seems to make absolutely everything in china |
| 19:10.03 | konttori | Could, but that would take more time. |
| 19:10.04 | Andy80 | yerga: I try wait... |
| 19:10.05 | Lynoure | konttori: I bet I'm not alone not needing a media player or youtube on my tablet. |
| 19:10.15 | konttori | So, maybe if it gets to be mature control |
| 19:10.27 | konttori | Well, uktube is 200 kb |
| 19:10.35 | konttori | and uktube is 20 kb |
| 19:10.40 | Andy80 | yerga: import gtk |
| 19:10.42 | Andy80 | yerga: no errors |
| 19:10.50 | konttori | so, I'm sure you can live with that 'additional' stuff |
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| 19:11.49 | yerga | Andy80, I haven't idea :( |
| 19:11.58 | Lynoure | konttori: yes, I can, and if I cannot, the size of them will not be the problem. Out of curiousity, do they use the usbcontrol functionality? |
| 19:11.59 | yerga | I try do some tests here |
| 19:12.04 | MikeL2 | Hi All, Anyone aware of a screen/audio capture utility that we may be able to run on our NIT's? |
| 19:12.04 | Andy80 | don't worry... I'll try to contact the author |
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| 19:12.45 | konttori | regrettably, not, although, ukmp might actually be nice to be used with some sort of remote. |
| 19:12.46 | trevarthan | Any notice that sounds don't work in Pidgin when Pidgin doesn't have focus? |
| 19:12.51 | keesj | MikeL2: I used vnc2swf a while ago |
| 19:13.17 | yerga | Andy80, I am :) |
| 19:13.53 | Andy80 | yerga: oh, good! :D |
| 19:14.42 | Andy80 | yerga: tell me if there is some other test I cand do |
| 19:15.15 | MikeL2 | Keesj: OK will take a look, so you ran it on a PC and VNCd to the Nokia? did it work reasonably well, thanks for the pointer |
| 19:15.23 | konttori | Lynoure: If you could test that out, it would be great. |
| 19:16.27 | MikeL2 | Keesj: reading the web page http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ |
| 19:16.29 | Lynoure | konttori: I will, one I get F2F from somewhere... |
| 19:17.20 | konttori | Yeah. it's not like we all would have those lying around. I know. |
| 19:17.27 | keesj | MikeL2: yes , so I installed x11vnc on the device and recoded on the pc |
| 19:17.43 | konttori | Anyway, at least I'm hoping that this may help people doing e.g. python development just a bit. |
| 19:18.00 | yerga | Andy80, try to install the 0.6 version |
| 19:18.02 | konttori | and, of course, the occasional plug in the USB stick. |
| 19:18.13 | Lynoure | konttori: more than 200kb, takes also mplayer =) |
| 19:18.26 | konttori | Yeah. Last minute addition. |
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| 19:18.36 | konttori | I thought everyone should have it! ;) |
| 19:18.38 | MikeL2 | Keesj: Sounds good, so once running you could run the Nokia as normal and everything was copied as a swf file |
| 19:18.58 | Lynoure | konttori: Like I said yesterday, it might replace an EeePC for me. :) Not for devel work, just sysadmin stuff |
| 19:19.01 | konttori | Ok, I'm evil. But uktube needs mplayer for flash video playback |
| 19:19.25 | Andy80 | yerga: where can I find it? I used the .install you gave me... but it installed the 0.5-6 |
| 19:20.21 | yerga | try disabling the extras repo |
| 19:20.45 | yerga | and open that install file |
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| 19:21.28 | Lynoure | konttori: would you happen to remember what repos mplayer and python are in? |
| 19:21.51 | konttori | repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 19:21.54 | Andy80 | yerga ok |
| 19:21.55 | konttori | chinook |
| 19:21.59 | konttori | free non-free |
| 19:22.51 | Andy80 | yerga: the extras-devel is not in the list.... |
| 19:22.58 | konttori | I'll try to put that version to repository tomorrow. Ups am not. Spending the evening with friends. On saturday then. |
| 19:23.20 | konttori | and thus, I'll also update the .install link on the maemo/downloads. |
| 19:23.55 | yerga | Andy80, ok, then add it manually and refresh the app list |
| 19:24.11 | Andy80 | yerga: ok, give me all the parameters.. |
| 19:24.25 | yerga | repository.maemo.org/extras-devel |
| 19:24.27 | yerga | chinook |
| 19:24.31 | yerga | free non-free |
| 19:24.33 | yerga | :) |
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| 19:27.37 | Lynoure | konttori: thanks... at a closer look, changed my mind about the size, as mplayer+deps for it take >5 megs |
| 19:28.17 | Lynoure | konttori: but I'll test it anyway... too curious not to |
| 19:28.22 | konttori | Ah ;) |
| 19:28.36 | konttori | Well, I could consider packaging it separately in the future. |
| 19:28.53 | fugitivo | does the tablet kernel use propietary drivers? |
| 19:29.03 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: you'll like canola's youtube plugin ;-) |
| 19:29.09 | konttori | It'll need some additional stuff still, like setting the kb locale and stuff like that, so after they have been done, I could then separate the package. Sounds fair? |
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| 19:29.24 | konttori | I haven't tried that out. sounds cool |
| 19:29.37 | konttori | where can I dl it? |
| 19:29.39 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: of course not, it's still to be released |
| 19:29.41 | k-s[WORK] | konttori: :-) |
| 19:29.50 | konttori | tease! |
| 19:29.51 | fugitivo | when is 770 version comming out? |
| 19:29.59 | k-s[WORK] | fugitivo: possible tomorrow |
| 19:30.11 | k-s[WORK] | we're trying to figure out how to overcome a problem with python-dbus |
| 19:30.14 | fugitivo | marcelo told me that last thuesday :) |
| 19:30.33 | k-s[WORK] | the version before the last didn't have a method to remove objects |
| 19:30.44 | k-s[WORK] | thus we required the pymaemo guys to add it, doing backport |
| 19:30.49 | k-s[WORK] | they released it as the last version |
| 19:30.50 | fugitivo | oh, crap |
| 19:30.54 | k-s[WORK] | but it's now buggy |
| 19:31.09 | k-s[WORK] | and all our dbus servers crash |
| 19:31.18 | k-s[WORK] | it will need to be back to that old version |
| 19:31.36 | k-s[WORK] | and we need to figure out how to implement an equivalent of remove_from_connection() |
| 19:32.36 | k-s[WORK] | for most of our daemons, we don't have a real problem since it's one object for the whole usage |
| 19:32.47 | k-s[WORK] | but for download manager, we have one object per request |
| 19:33.24 | fugitivo | that's why I use my own libraries, lol |
| 19:34.03 | billh | I'm trying to setup the development environment. I have scratchbox setup on a Linux box. I'm using Windows as my client, but I can't get the emulated hildon desktop to display on the windows box (with 'af-sb-init.sh start'). I have an X server on my Windows machine (as part of Cygwin). it says it wants Xephyr, but can work with other X servers. I've tried different DISPLAY settings, including the working localhost:10.0, and 1 and 2. any ideas? |
| 19:34.54 | billh | sorry, by "working localhost:10.0" in the above, I mean that that value for DISPLAY works for other apps, as I have an ssh tunnel to the linux box with X forwarding on. |
| 19:35.20 | Lynoure | konttori: hmmm, extras has pile of other python2.5 stuff, but weirdly I cannot see python2.5 or python2.5-runtime |
| 19:35.55 | fugitivo | billh: do you get any error? |
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| 19:39.47 | lardman | maddler: ping |
| 19:40.23 | billh | fugitivo, I'm looking for a web place to paste the output... |
| 19:40.34 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 19:40.35 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 19:41.05 | konttori | Lynoure: Install then ukmp first from here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/ |
| 19:41.21 | konttori | It has all the right repositories set in the .install file |
| 19:41.33 | billh | fugitivo, here's the output: http://pastebin.com/d6ab5d6ec |
| 19:41.35 | konttori | After you have that version, just update it to 173 |
| 19:41.40 | Lynoure | konttori: ok, thanks :) |
| 19:43.00 | lardman | maddler: I finally decide to write a blog entry ;D and the site is parked! |
| 19:43.25 | fugitivo | can't get address for localhost:6010 |
| 19:43.43 | fugitivo | try with the ip address |
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| 19:43.53 | billh | I don't have Xephyr; I'm not clear: is Xephyr just an X server? or does it do something more? |
| 19:43.59 | billh | fugitivo, will do |
| 19:44.00 | konttori | Lynoure: is the install working now? |
| 19:44.37 | fugitivo | billh: better yet, add localhost to your hosts file |
| 19:45.17 | Lynoure | konttori: still processing (moody wifi) |
| 19:45.36 | konttori | ok. lemme know if it works or not! |
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| 19:46.55 | jku | lardman: Just tried libgammu on my laptop |
| 19:47.10 | jku | works with one out of three phones in my household |
| 19:47.15 | lardman | jku: how did it work? |
| 19:47.20 | lardman | ah |
| 19:47.34 | jku | I can get country code, local area code and cell id over bluetooth |
| 19:48.19 | lardman | cool, do you have at codes for the other phones? |
| 19:49.11 | jku | I know nothing about that -- I just setup a config file for gammu and call the functions... |
| 19:50.37 | jku | should work on maemo too, but i can't be arsed to compile recent versions of gammu ATM... |
| 19:51.06 | jku | inz has a version for bora, but it's old... |
| 19:51.49 | jku | for some reason I can't not use ellipsis today... |
| 19:53.06 | jku | now if there just was a cell id location database on the web, we'd be fine. |
| 19:54.14 | jku | On the other hand if cell id location could be used for AGPS, then just a few saved ones would go a long way: Home cell means location x,y |
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| 19:55.12 | Andy80 | yerga: I've installed the 0.6 beta version! |
| 19:55.21 | yerga | nice |
| 19:55.27 | Andy80 | yerga: if I start it from command line I get this error |
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| 19:55.57 | Andy80 | yerga: import gtk.glade - ImportError: no module named glade |
| 19:56.23 | Lynoure | konttori: installed, yes |
| 19:56.38 | konttori | Lynoure: cool. thanks. |
| 19:56.53 | konttori | So, tomorrow: Buy a F2F usb! |
| 19:56.56 | yerga | Andy80, what python2.5-gtk2 version? |
| 19:57.08 | yerga | apt-cache policy python2.5-gtk2 |
| 19:57.11 | Andy80 | yerga: I check.. wait... |
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| 19:57.25 | Lynoure | konttori: I'll try to, but if it takes lengthy excursions, it might bet delayed |
| 19:57.58 | konttori | check beforehand from net. |
| 19:58.10 | Andy80 | yerga: Installed 2.12.1-1osso1 |
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| 19:58.21 | billh | fugitivo, thanks; that took me a little further. still not working, but work is calling me away for now |
| 19:58.44 | yerga | I think there was a bug with that version and glade |
| 19:58.59 | LoCusF | johnx: got it to work |
| 19:59.10 | LoCusF | johnx: I'll post a youtube video in a moment :) |
| 19:59.11 | yerga | try install the last one 2.12.1-1osso2 |
| 19:59.29 | yerga | perhaps you need red-pill mode |
| 20:00.10 | Andy80 | yerga: mm.... are you sure I don't break something :P ? |
| 20:00.34 | yerga | haha, I am not sure :) |
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| 20:13.59 | alterego | Found a very strange bug with the Notes application |
| 20:14.27 | alterego | If you do a capital "IJ" it appears to fuck up the font when using monospace 8pt |
| 20:14.44 | alterego | Whether it does it with other fonts/sizes I don't know as I can't be bothered to try as I'm busy :) |
| 20:15.34 | lardman | jku: sorry, got called away, well if we can work out the supl.nokia.com comms protocol we might be able to use the cell data directly to recieve gps almanac/ephemeris data :) |
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| 20:16.24 | jku | ...and figure out how to push that to gpsdriver |
| 20:16.35 | lardman | yeah |
| 20:16.39 | jku | big ifs but worth trying no doubt |
| 20:17.01 | lardman | looking at the gps_last_saved_report file, it's 14kb, that's very large to save a lat long location! |
| 20:17.25 | lardman | and it's also pretty much filled with 0x00's |
| 20:17.37 | lardman | I wonder why it has all that space available....? |
| 20:19.06 | jku | yeah weird |
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| 20:19.28 | lardman | that sounds like plenty of space to store almanac and ephemeris data, hopefully |
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| 20:21.22 | lardman | Are there any N95 owners online atm? |
| 20:21.43 | lardman | can you browse your filesystems? What do you have by way of gps data stored? |
| 20:23.29 | alterego | I've got an N80 which is similar as far as software is concerned. |
| 20:23.41 | alterego | Oh, GPS .. |
| 20:23.53 | lardman | yeah. we know that agps works on the n95 now |
| 20:25.46 | nikobit | recently killes my n800 by trying root login.:-! |
| 20:25.58 | lardman | killed in what way? |
| 20:26.38 | nikobit | dunno just performed root login |
| 20:26.46 | lardman | over ssh? |
| 20:26.49 | lardman | or in an xterm?> |
| 20:27.15 | nikobit | had to repair in service center |
| 20:27.27 | lardman | hmm |
| 20:27.34 | lardman | fixed now? |
| 20:27.37 | jku | lardman, do you know if n95 agps uses cell id at all? |
| 20:27.47 | nikobit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.09 | lardman | jku: I don;t know, but I think it does; certainly I've seen posts about communicating with that nokia.com server |
| 20:28.34 | nikobit | works fine now with newly installed OS2008 |
| 20:28.40 | jku | yeah, but it could just be up-to-date satellite data |
| 20:28.43 | lardman | nikobit: glad to hear it |
| 20:29.10 | lardman | jku: yes, but I think some of the data is site specific |
| 20:29.24 | nikobit | you can't imagine how glad am I |
| 20:29.32 | inz | jku, does the bora libgammu not work on chinook? |
| 20:29.43 | inz | jku, the age of the build surely could be a problem |
| 20:29.51 | jku | inz, it does as far as I can tell |
| 20:29.53 | lardman | jku: almanac certainly, but ephemeris is pre-processed for a given location/time combo, plus atmospheric effect compensation, etc. |
| 20:30.14 | jku | but the api has changed... |
| 20:30.35 | inz | jku, I have a meeting tomorrow, I could build new one during it ;) |
| 20:30.43 | lardman | lol |
| 20:31.31 | jku | hah, I'm pretty sure it works and there's no immediate use. But if it's a really dull meeting, go ahead |
| 20:32.51 | jku | Anyway, it was about 20 lines of code, so doing it on the old api would not be bad. I just didn't feel like it |
| 20:33.54 | inz | jku, well, it's not really boring at all, but there's always some loose time |
| 20:34.05 | inz | jku, and most of the time goes to (re)compiling anyway |
| 20:34.30 | lardman | Should I submit a bug to ask for info about these gps-related files? what other ways are there of asking? |
| 20:35.38 | nikobit | It's me back again.I'll try to remember what had happened that day. I've made my new root passwd. Using xterm and some stuff called dread-something. Not dregale but close. Entered all that was described in "How do I become root" page at maemo site. Logged into mc. Rebooted. Thats all. N800 dead |
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| 20:36.45 | nikobit | Installing new software version made back |
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| 20:38.58 | nikobit | actually I didn't expected from Nokia service to be such enthusiastic in helping people |
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| 20:40.01 | jku | lardman, can't think of anything else, and the chances are slim. N seems to be even more paranoid about releasing HW info than releasing source... |
| 20:40.18 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 20:40.49 | lardman | jku: I'll try a direct email first |
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| 21:01.04 | Solarion | man os2008 is tasty |
| 21:01.24 | Solarion | sadly, getting on the intarwebs through my fascistic school network is Difficult |
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| 21:03.54 | Tama^2 | Early result: my N800 seems to idle and draw very little power only if I remove the sd cards |
| 21:04.42 | Tama^2 | not sure if it's the cards or something like the metalayer crawler that accounts for the increase in power consumption when thecards are in |
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| 21:06.29 | lardman | Tama^2: interesting |
| 21:06.48 | Tama^2 | the difference is night and a day |
| 21:07.22 | Tama^2 | with cards, in 1 day more than 50% of the battery was gone while idle |
| 21:08.07 | Tama^2 | without cards 18% |
| 21:08.08 | lardman | I'd be interested to know if it's metacrawler related or not |
| 21:08.33 | Tama^2 | I will run tests to check that |
| 21:09.24 | lardman | cool |
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| 21:12.50 | _collin_ | hi |
| 21:15.06 | ustunozgur | Tama^2: did you have any symlinks to external card under your home dir? |
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| 21:16.53 | Tama^2 | yes I do, and that is something I want to test separately (i.e. card inserted, no symlink) |
| 21:17.05 | Tama^2 | ustunozgur: why? :) |
| 21:18.37 | ustunozgur | because I had symlinked all those default directories to an external card for easier navigation |
| 21:18.44 | ustunozgur | and battery drained quickli |
| 21:18.53 | ustunozgur | .sounds .videos etc |
| 21:19.50 | Tama^2 | I see |
| 21:20.20 | Tama^2 | It makes sense still, it should not matter when the device is offline,locked and idle >.< |
| 21:20.52 | ustunozgur | I observed that metacrawler was using too much cpu, too. |
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| 21:22.25 | ustunozgur | now I have no symlinks and I think it is much better. |
| 21:23.29 | Tama^2 | I think the metalyer crawler is badly designed anyway: when you pull a card out it has to update its db |
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| 21:24.07 | Tama^2 | metadata db should be stored within the volume |
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| 21:34.29 | GNUtoN810 | Hi |
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| 21:39.53 | GNUtoN810 | I'm looking for a good os2008 irc client, any suggests? |
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| 21:40.13 | jsmith | GNUtoN810: Google for "xchat skyhook chinook" |
| 21:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, my answer from the last time you asked hasn't changed. ;) |
| 21:40.59 | jsmith | GNUtoN810: Here's the link http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 21:41.04 | jsmith | That's the one |
| 21:42.53 | GNUtoN810 | Jsmith: nothing! |
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| 21:45.38 | jsmith | GNUtoN810: Follow this link: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 21:46.08 | jsmith | GNUtoN810: Install the .deb file named xchat_2.8.4-chinook0-beta1_armel.deb |
| 21:47.25 | darkip | you could just use pidgin? |
| 21:47.45 | lcuk_2 | has skyhusker released the sources to this beta anywhere? is there anywhere we can fix problems if they arrise with this beta? |
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| 21:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | darkip, Pidgin is about the worst IRC client ever. :P |
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| 21:49.06 | ircatworkisworse | actually GeneralAntilles, i think this client is worse ;) |
| 21:49.39 | ircatworkisworse | web based, works from anywhere but acts like a dog |
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| 21:50.18 | rojero | Hi All! |
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| 21:59.10 | GnutoN810_ | ok, now i'm using xchat..:) |
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| 22:05.02 | LinuxCode | syncevolution dont work |
| 22:05.13 | LinuxCode | no machine id for dbus |
| 22:05.32 | LinuxCode | hmm |
| 22:05.37 | jott | is the latest rtcom-beta-os2008 (2.1-18) usable or does it still cause reboot loops for some ppl? (postponed the upgrade until now) |
| 22:06.54 | LinuxCode | hmm fixed new error |
| 22:06.55 | LinuxCode | lol |
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| 22:09.57 | johnx | jott, I'm pretty sure I heard that it was fixed a while ago actually |
| 22:10.01 | johnx | haven't tried it though |
| 22:12.08 | jott | hmm ok.. i'll see and report back ;) |
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| 22:17.23 | jku | jott: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2803 (FIXED) |
| 22:17.51 | jott | jku: thanks |
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| 22:34.52 | hachi | is there a way to get modest to open when 'more email messages' is the current state? |
| 22:35.27 | hachi | it opens just fine when there are individual messages, but when I get more than... 8, or whatever the threshold is, it tries to open the builtin mail app |
| 22:35.41 | hachi | also, what sort of network traffic triggers the icd to make a connection |
| 22:36.03 | Tama^2 | I suspect that message comes from the builtin email client |
| 22:36.15 | hachi | builtin email client isn't set up, so it's not possible |
| 22:36.21 | Tama^2 | ah |
| 22:36.43 | hachi | if I set up the builtin email client... I lose power even faster |
| 22:37.02 | Tama^2 | icd should open a connection when an app requests it via libconic |
| 22:37.04 | hachi | not that modest is helping the situation at all, anytime I'm away from a network it just fires up the icd on me and constantly scans |
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| 22:37.44 | Tama^2 | I have disable modest/builtin automatic checks |
| 22:38.10 | Tama^2 | s/disable/disabled |
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| 22:42.22 | hachi | AUGH |
| 22:42.29 | hachi | maemo extras failed gzip again today |
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| 22:55.37 | johnx | hachi, link to the file that failed? |
| 22:55.55 | johnx | or is this the known bug on bugs.maemo.org? |
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| 23:12.51 | ds3 | anyone tried getting media player to play OGG/Theora? |
| 23:14.52 | lardman | yep |
| 23:15.01 | ds3 | does it work well? |
| 23:15.05 | lardman | install kulve's ogg gstreamer stuff |
| 23:15.10 | lardman | seems to wotk ok |
| 23:15.17 | lardman | plays sound at least ;) |
| 23:15.26 | ds3 | I got the vorbis part working |
| 23:15.37 | ds3 | just wondering if I should push my luck and get theora |
| 23:15.52 | lardman | ah, I misread in that case |
| 23:16.02 | lardman | my apologies, nearly ned time |
| 23:16.06 | lardman | bed time |
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| 23:16.11 | ds3 | oh you just did audio? |
| 23:16.36 | ds3 | it is so nice to have a unified player for both ogg and mp3 |
| 23:16.44 | lardman | ds3: have a chat with derf, he's one of the theora devs and was interested in getting it running (on the dsp, but he may have tried an arm decoder) |
| 23:17.07 | lardman | yeah, tried audio and am currently debugging a dsp task for vorbis decoding |
| 23:17.20 | ds3 | i saw your frustrating efforts to get it working on the DSP |
| 23:17.56 | lardman | not too frustrating, the code runs ok, just needs some tweaks as I;ve not removed all the 16bit byte issues yet |
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| 23:18.11 | lardman | tho it was certain;y frustrating getting started :) |
| 23:18.28 | ds3 | ah, last I read you were stuck at the 16bit vs 8bit bytes btwn the arm and dsp |
| 23:19.04 | lardman | ah, that's all sorted, data are passed across fine. The problem is that the vorbis stream fails recognition at some point in the setup process |
| 23:19.57 | ds3 | lardman: was there some docs for the DSP you started with or was it purely a reverse engineering effort? |
| 23:19.58 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html should summarise |
| 23:20.18 | lardman | ds3: There are docs, I did a fair bit of work to determine what they meant |
| 23:20.36 | lardman | but certainly not reverse engineering, more filling the gaps |
| 23:20.46 | ds3 | gotcha |
| 23:21.03 | lardman | info about it is on the maemo wiki -> dsp programming |
| 23:21.07 | ds3 | I wonder how well would the DSP stuff work on a totally free kernel (i.e. the OMAP tree) |
| 23:21.15 | ds3 | OMAP open source tree that is |
| 23:21.28 | lardman | you still need a dsp kernel |
| 23:21.38 | ds3 | and that is not free I take it? |
| 23:21.45 | lardman | and we're currently using (as a basis) the most free there is |
| 23:22.17 | lardman | yes, the source is available, partly from Ti iirc, not sure of the license, but on the ITs Nokia have added to that base |
| 23:22.24 | ds3 | it would be nice to be able to upgrade the kernel as needed instead of wait for nokia |
| 23:22.55 | lcuk_2 | kernel can be updated, its the file system image we wait for (or am i totally wrong) |
| 23:22.57 | lardman | shouldn't be a problem with the dsp really, as long as you keep the dspgateway interfaces the same |
| 23:23.22 | ds3 | lardman: but isn't the dsp stuff all available as a binary .ko? |
| 23:23.29 | lardman | but then Nokia do a lot of the work for the omap kernel |
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| 23:23.49 | ds3 | lcuk: the OMAP tree lacks support for a few things |
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| 23:23.57 | lardman | the tasks are all binary, the kernel is also binary, but you can build a basic kernel from source, just wothout the nokia additions |
| 23:24.26 | johnx | lardman, this is the dsp kernel, yes? |
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| 23:24.28 | ds3 | right but if I wanted a 2.6.24 kernel on there, I don't have the DSP stuff at all (or am I wrong?) |
| 23:24.47 | lcuk_2 | yer i noticed just after, i know the base kernel is available tho, my mistake |
| 23:24.47 | lardman | the dspgateway stuff is included in the omap tree now |
| 23:25.02 | lardman | so assuming the interface hasn't changed (which it may have) it should just work |
| 23:25.18 | ds3 | so the DSP kernel is not bundled into a binary module? |
| 23:25.23 | johnx | also, is the DSP required for any type of sound at all? |
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| 23:25.57 | ds3 | i seem to recall some page on DSP programming where they tell you to build stuff, then replace one of the objects with the .ko file from the device |
| 23:26.05 | lardman | yes on both counts, though it may be possible to bypass it and produce sound through the kernel |
| 23:26.20 | johnx | that's good to know |
| 23:26.32 | lardman | ds3: but you can roll your own, without the Nokia bits (i.e. the supplied tasks for mp3 decoding will then not work) |
| 23:26.59 | ds3 | lardman: but how are the nokia bits provided? as a .hex file I can download or soemthing specific to the kernel? |
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| 23:28.09 | lardman | the kernel has compiled-in modules (for want of a better word), these modules are the nokia bits, the base kernel has source |
| 23:28.24 | ds3 | ah I think I get it now |
| 23:28.31 | lardman | there are also dynamically loaded modules which do mp3, aac, etc. decoding |
| 23:28.58 | lardman | Nokia have also provided the audio codec driver |
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| 23:29.02 | lardman | as part of the kernel |
| 23:29.23 | lardman | but not as source, though there is similar source floating about, but not a trivial job |
| 23:29.44 | ds3 | and nokia did not use the openmax stuff either I take it? |
| 23:30.26 | lardman | not yet, but it's on their roadmap |
| 23:30.35 | ds3 | oh cool |
| 23:30.44 | ds3 | prehaps one day with OS2010 I guess ;) |
| 23:31.13 | lardman | they acknowledged that it would take some time, so probably not too far off ;) |
| 23:31.52 | fysa | OS.. THREE-THOUSAND! |
| 23:32.00 | ds3 | glad this is less nasty then the umac.ko situation |
| 23:32.34 | johnx | yeah... |
| 23:32.43 | lardman | well it's not necessarily, there's no real scope to access the audio codec from the dsp side, Nokia are not willing (the legal dept) to release any info about that |
| 23:33.28 | lardman | it's just that they use the dspgateway, so we can also use it. Ti provide good docs for the tms320c55 (unlike other chips like the GPS5300) |
| 23:34.53 | ds3 | simple question - where is the actual audio hardware connected to? the arm side or the DSP side? |
| 23:35.11 | lardman | both I think |
| 23:35.39 | lardman | the question is really whether the DSP is required to setup the codec before the ARM side can do anything with it directly |
| 23:35.54 | ds3 | okay |
| 23:35.56 | lardman | I'm not sure, kernel source has the relevant code for the ARM-side access to the audio codec |
| 23:36.36 | ds3 | IIRC, I can't get sound out via the stock OMAP kernel |
| 23:36.47 | lardman | on an IT? |
| 23:36.55 | ds3 | on the N800 specifically |
| 23:37.02 | Tama^2 | lardman: if one was to develop a DSP task, is there a way to dump the result directly into the mixer task provided by nokia? |
| 23:37.06 | lardman | in which case the DSP may need to set it up |
| 23:37.19 | lardman | Tama^2: I really don't know |
| 23:37.34 | ds3 | or there is some userland madness that needs to happen |
| 23:37.41 | lardman | Tama^2: I think this is probably where we want to look at the EAP_* functions in the DSP kernel, but we have no headers |
| 23:37.47 | ds3 | I was booting directly into a shell and getting in via usbnet |
| 23:38.08 | lardman | ds3: I don't know I'm afraid. |
| 23:38.50 | ds3 | despite all this, the N800 as shipped does most of what I want... marketing hasn't turned it into a doorstop |
| 23:39.03 | lardman | Tama^2: The best bet atm is to decode on the DSP, then send the audio data back to ARM to output (either directly, or via the pcm dsp task) |
| 23:39.35 | lardman | but as we have no working audio decoders it's a bit of a moot point :) |
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| 23:40.45 | lardman | bed time, night all |
| 23:40.49 | ds3 | lardman: does all this apply to the 770 or is it 800/810 specific? |
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| 23:40.58 | lardman | ds3: all have the same DSP |
| 23:40.58 | pH5 | the communication between decoder tasks and the /eap SIO minidriver is really not complicated. we just need either somebody with a bit of C55x experience or a lot of time, but completely reversing the pcm2.o module is certainly possible. |
| 23:41.35 | lardman | pH5: but to produce a codec driver you'd need to recompile the dsp kernel, and lose any Nokia stuff in there |
| 23:41.52 | lardman | ah, you're talking about using the existing driver |
| 23:41.57 | pH5 | yup |
| 23:42.00 | fugitivo | that is what i was asking before |
| 23:42.08 | lardman | all good, once we have a working decoder then perhaps more people will be interested in that |
| 23:42.25 | lardman | agreed, it wouldn't be too bad, just some asm learning and testing, etfc. |
| 23:42.31 | fugitivo | i can't compile my own kernel without loosing compatibility? does the actual kernel have propietary kernel drivers? |
| 23:43.00 | lardman | yes, the audio codec, but you could write your own reasonably easily |
| 23:43.19 | fugitivo | only the audio codec? |
| 23:43.20 | lardman | there is other stuff too, configuration stuff you'd lose, etc. |
| 23:43.34 | fysa | can you dump it first? |
| 23:43.42 | lardman | but I don't know much more than that, I've only really looked at the audio situation |
| 23:43.44 | fugitivo | what about that kernel image to support bigger memory cards? |
| 23:43.50 | lardman | ? |
| 23:43.55 | lardman | we're talking dsp kernel atm |
| 23:43.57 | fysa | i.e., can you dump it, repurpose, use it, then restore when finished? |
| 23:44.29 | lardman | fysa: possibly, but it would take some serious work unless you could place it back at the same memory location |
| 23:44.52 | lardman | fysa: plus the interplay between the bits might make it hard |
| 23:44.58 | lcuk_2 | fsya, no there are a group of constants in source code which are different to the base options (if i remember rightly) |
| 23:44.59 | lardman | s/bits/part |
| 23:45.06 | fysa | ah |
| 23:46.04 | lardman | anyway, learn to crawl before we run and all that eh? ;) |
| 23:46.37 | lardman | :) |
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| 23:46.49 | lardman | right, I really am going to bed now |
| 23:46.51 | lardman | night nigh |
| 23:47.01 | lcuk_2 | night lard, interesting as always |
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| 23:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | Where's the fun in that? |
| 23:47.54 | ywwg | Is there a package in OS2008 that provides wget? I tried apt-get install wget and it didn't work. I thought it would be in extras |
| 23:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it |
| 23:48.27 | ds3 | on a different thing... what is the browser doing when it is displaying 'Updating...' during the first start? tcpdump shows no outgoing packets |
| 23:48.40 | ds3 | this is OS2008 |
| 23:48.59 | lcuk_2 | its updating |
| 23:49.05 | ds3 | updating what? |
| 23:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | Never seen it say "Updating..." |
| 23:49.10 | lcuk_2 | "..." |
| 23:49.13 | ds3 | :P |
| 23:49.19 | lcuk_2 | ive seen it, its one of those baloon things isnt it |
| 23:49.49 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: close all the browser sessions and open a new blank sessions. shortly, it will say "Updating..." |
| 23:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, guess so. |
| 23:50.11 | lcuk_2 | "web loading" browser displays, then before it loads page you get "updating" |
| 23:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to say that's been there since OS2005 and I've stopped noticing. |
| 23:50.33 | lcuk_2 | but its a different browser app isnt it |
| 23:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | Engine |
| 23:50.56 | ds3 | thought it was the mozilla autoupdate but I see no options for it nor any traffic |
| 23:50.59 | fysa | yeah, it does say Updating. |
| 23:51.08 | fysa | it can get very annoying while using the browser with an RSS reader and closing it between links |
| 23:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as auto-update for MicroB |
| 23:51.33 | fysa | I think it's initializing plugins.. |
| 23:51.39 | fysa | or the engine. |
| 23:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, that's probably correct. |
| 23:51.48 | lcuk_2 | can we search the source tre for the browser and find "Updating..." |
| 23:51.50 | ds3 | hmm |
| 23:52.43 | fysa | I believe the majority of the lagginess you feel with the browser is non-packet-related. |
| 23:53.02 | fysa | Then a good chunk is DNS/wireless overhead, then the rest is engine bloat. |
| 23:53.32 | lcuk_2 | i really want a proper flash block on the device |
| 23:53.38 | fysa | it was just released. |
| 23:53.46 | lcuk_2 | flash is great for specific items but 99% of the adverts kill pages |
| 23:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno why it takes so much longer to load in OS2008 final than all previous versions. |
| 23:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, pay attention. :P |
| 23:54.01 | GeneralAntilles | browser-extras |
| 23:54.16 | fysa | OS2008 has some I/O problems. |
| 23:54.16 | lcuk_2 | ... |
| 23:54.17 | fysa | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 23:54.32 | fysa | I don't know if this was there before.. |
| 23:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | It loaded up about twice as fast in the beta. |
| 23:54.41 | lcuk_2 | where do i get info on new/updated packages |
| 23:54.46 | fysa | but I think I/O on OS2008 is slower than on OS2007 |
| 23:54.51 | fysa | unless the CPU is pegged. |
| 23:55.15 | fysa | subscribe to their RSS, lcuk_2 ;) |
| 23:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | or just pay better attention. :P |
| 23:55.54 | lcuk_2 | but that involves installing and configuring another program. the update manager should have a branch to say "hey heres all the new bits" |
| 23:55.58 | ds3 | btw, is there a way to get a web page RSS feed link icon to automatically add a feed like in the older OS200[67]? |
| 23:55.58 | fysa | hopefully I will have time to play with webkit next week. |
| 23:56.55 | johnx | fysa, which webkit based browser have you been looking at? |
| 23:57.13 | johnx | s/have you been looking at?/are you planning to look at?g |
| 23:57.23 | fysa | http://webkit.org/ |
| 23:57.32 | fysa | compiles fine, just haven't tried running yet |
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| 23:57.53 | fysa | Webkit/Gtk+ |
| 23:57.55 | lcuk_2 | repaste for myself: http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ thanks for letting me know its avail |
| 23:58.03 | fysa | http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ |
| 23:58.20 | johnx | I didn't know if they were still working on that or not ... |
| 23:58.29 | johnx | epiphany-webkit runs great, BTW |
| 23:58.38 | fysa | Yeah, I don't know about that one. |
| 23:58.51 | johnx | it could use a little slimming down, and hildonization though |
| 23:58.54 | fysa | But someone here was talking about it.. |
| 23:59.14 | fysa | #webkit maybe |
| 23:59.56 | fysa | midori |
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