| 00:02.05 | Reinard | that iphone guitar is quite cool |
| 00:03.24 | Reinard | is there any task-manager app for maemo? |
| 00:03.37 | leo2007 | which dictionary do you recommend? |
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| 00:04.14 | Reinard | because this is acting really bad now and i think that some process or something have left open |
| 00:16.10 | lcuk | Reinard, "load-applet" |
| 00:16.18 | lcuk | nearest and simplest |
| 00:17.06 | Reinard | ill check that, thanks |
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| 00:26.57 | Reinard | i don't know if this is right applet i installed, but is it normal that cpu-bar in on red area whole time? |
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| 00:27.22 | lcuk | no, tap it and click view processes |
| 00:27.50 | lcuk | have a look at the cpu load of each app and see which |
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| 00:36.33 | Blafasel | And where did you get that plugin from? |
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| 00:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 00:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | Win win win . . . I've got Err as my startup image. |
| 00:42.16 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, as in ATHF? |
| 00:42.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:42.28 | johnx | :D |
| 00:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stole the ones the guy on ITT worked up. |
| 00:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | Improved them a lot. |
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| 00:55.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip |
| 00:56.32 | johnx | nice |
| 00:57.00 | johnx | that's actually pretty cool looking |
| 00:57.15 | johnx | I'll stick with my Debian logo though, thanks :D |
| 00:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:57.46 | johnx | I guess I should post those somewhere |
| 00:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Progress bar may not actually be working. . . . |
| 00:58.40 | johnx | I didn't bother with the progress bar |
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| 01:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | There's the progress bar . . . |
| 01:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like I did it wrong, though. |
| 01:10.37 | pupnik | looks like some movement on abiword now, nice... |
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| 01:12.01 | EruditeHermit | hi, is there anywhere where I can get the package osso-rtcom-oma |
| 01:14.46 | johnx | the one shipped with OS2008? |
| 01:16.29 | EruditeHermit | yes |
| 01:20.57 | johnx | it might not be in any repository |
| 01:21.11 | johnx | did you end up deleting yours? |
| 01:21.13 | EruditeHermit | is there a way to extract it? |
| 01:21.27 | EruditeHermit | extract it from the image |
| 01:21.28 | johnx | you could use dpkg-repack |
| 01:21.36 | EruditeHermit | what is that? |
| 01:21.42 | EruditeHermit | It is still installed |
| 01:21.45 | EruditeHermit | but the status is pi |
| 01:21.47 | johnx | ah |
| 01:21.49 | EruditeHermit | instead of ii |
| 01:22.00 | EruditeHermit | which indicates a problem I think |
| 01:22.05 | EruditeHermit | I don't know how that happened |
| 01:22.31 | johnx | did you add one of the maemo repositories that has the dev stuff? |
| 01:22.48 | EruditeHermit | not sure |
| 01:23.04 | johnx | (dpkg-repack takes an installed package and makes a .deb out of it) |
| 01:23.38 | EruditeHermit | let me try it |
| 01:23.49 | pupnik | Best would be to write some generic code snippet to update screen via framebuffer ioctl like mplayer does it. One could just add such code to project and replace SDL_UpdateRect with such call. ioctl has non-sticky pixeldoubling flag valid only per specific screen update so it will not mess the screen. |
| 01:23.54 | pupnik | - fanoush |
| 01:24.32 | johnx | EruditeHermit, I think it's not installed on maemo and has deps on lots of other stuff that's not readily available |
| 01:24.57 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 01:25.14 | EruditeHermit | johnx: so is there a way to extract packages out of the OS2008 image |
| 01:25.29 | johnx | should be possible |
| 01:25.45 | johnx | I could just do it for you and send you the package if you want |
| 01:26.03 | EruditeHermit | that'd be great |
| 01:26.06 | EruditeHermit | if you could |
| 01:26.12 | johnx | sure |
| 01:26.19 | EruditeHermit | is it that difficult? |
| 01:26.32 | lcdd | isn't there a way to simply change the package status from "purge" to "install"? |
| 01:26.56 | johnx | EruditeHermit, it depends. Do you have a Debian desktop/laptop to use? |
| 01:27.00 | EruditeHermit | yep |
| 01:27.57 | EruditeHermit | debian lenny |
| 01:28.37 | johnx | hmm |
| 01:28.47 | lcdd | 'echo osso-rtcom-oma install | dpkg --set-selections' perhaps? someone should confirm this first, though |
| 01:29.10 | johnx | you might be able to use flasher-3 to just unpack the image actually |
| 01:29.30 | johnx | I'm not sure what "unpack" means though, whether it leaves you with a rootfs.jffs2 or directory of files |
| 01:29.43 | johnx | jffs2 images can take a little work to unpack... |
| 01:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 01:30.35 | johnx | I kinda figured |
| 01:30.53 | johnx | it would be way to easy if it just handed you a directory |
| 01:31.23 | EruditeHermit | so is it possible to do then? |
| 01:31.28 | johnx | yes |
| 01:31.37 | johnx | you need to look up how to mount a jffs2 image |
| 01:32.01 | johnx | you might need to recompile your desktop's kernel (or at least compile some modules) |
| 01:32.03 | EruditeHermit | johnx: would it be easy for you to do it? |
| 01:32.12 | johnx | yeah, I have debian on my N800 |
| 01:32.15 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 01:32.20 | alterego | mount -t jffs2 -oloop rootfs.jffs2 mount-pount |
| 01:32.31 | johnx | just reboot and dpkg-repack --root=/mnt/nokia-os osso-rtcom-oma |
| 01:32.33 | EruditeHermit | if you could do ht then, id be forever thankful |
| 01:32.36 | johnx | sure |
| 01:32.48 | EruditeHermit | johnx: how did you manage to install debian on the n800? |
| 01:33.13 | johnx | N800 is just an ARM, and Debian has a fairly complete ARM port :) |
| 01:33.18 | johnx | took a little hacking |
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| 01:33.39 | johnx | mind you not all the hardware is terribly *functional* right now :) |
| 01:33.44 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 01:33.53 | EruditeHermit | yeah I like maemo so I'll stick with it |
| 01:34.14 | EruditeHermit | even the KDE on tablets seems to be overkill for my purposes |
| 01:34.21 | EruditeHermit | though it sounds nice =p |
| 01:34.24 | johnx | dual booting is the best part ... and the pkg-maemo guys are getting more hildon stuff into debian |
| 01:35.51 | EruditeHermit | lcdd: do you think it is just a problem with the package database or a problem with the package installation itself? |
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| 01:36.31 | astromme_ | Is this the correct channel to ask questions about scratchbox? |
| 01:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | None better, astromme_. |
| 01:37.33 | astromme_ | Ahh. Cool =) |
| 01:37.40 | johnx | EruditeHermit, have you tried apt-get -f --no-act install ? |
| 01:37.45 | johnx | just to see what it wants to do? |
| 01:37.50 | astromme_ | Has anyone worked with sbrsh before? |
| 01:37.57 | astromme_ | I keep getting authentication errors |
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| 01:38.24 | astromme_ | "sbrsh: Authentication failed" |
| 01:38.28 | EruditeHermit | johnx: yep, it doesn't want to do anything |
| 01:38.38 | EruditeHermit | johnx: 0 to install 0 to remove 0 to update |
| 01:38.44 | johnx | interesting |
| 01:38.51 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 01:38.55 | EruditeHermit | 32 not updated |
| 01:39.00 | EruditeHermit | but thats fine |
| 01:39.02 | astromme_ | I've set /targets/BLAH.sbrsh to include the password (and the mount points), as well as ~/.sbrsh on my n800 to include the password/ip |
| 01:39.16 | johnx | want to put up a list of your repositories on pastebin and I'll see if I spot anything |
| 01:39.24 | EruditeHermit | sure |
| 01:39.25 | lcuk | pupnik, that sounds quite interesting (the SDL_UpdateRect replacement) |
| 01:39.25 | EruditeHermit | one sec |
| 01:39.39 | EruditeHermit | johnx: will the names of them suffice? or do you want urls too? |
| 01:40.06 | lcdd | EruditeHermit: nah. i guess it might be an indication of a bigger problem, but basically the pi status only means that you want to remove a currently installed package |
| 01:41.08 | johnx | just whatever is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list if it's not too hard to paste up |
| 01:41.46 | astromme_ | Also, is there any way to get a more verbose output from sbrsh? What step of authentiation is failing? |
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| 01:43.46 | astromme | Sorry... was trying to fix my username and disconnected instead... My question is still open =) |
| 01:50.11 | lcuk | astromme, have you tried setting the debug flag and seeing where it fails? |
| 01:53.24 | astromme | Yeah, I just found that |
| 01:53.38 | astromme | So it was failing because I hadn't added my host to /etc/sbrsh.conf |
| 01:54.03 | astromme | but now it fails on "Can't mount to point /var/sbrshd/astromme@10.0.0.110/Transparent/" |
| 01:54.07 | astromme | in the debug log |
| 01:54.22 | lcuk | it says something about needing host and users and a load of other stuff. ive never used the remote shell (im only just starting locally) but it seems so |
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| 01:54.52 | lcuk | im actually gonna have a read through the rest of the scratchbox docs if they are written like that. its quite well done |
| 01:55.26 | astromme | Cool. |
| 01:55.50 | astromme | I need the remote shell because qemu keeps hanging when I try to compile kde4. I think there is something fishy going on with cmake, but I'm not sure |
| 01:58.13 | astromme | YAY! It works! |
| 01:58.31 | astromme | I'm doing this on my n800 with os2008, no dev os or anything... so I had to manually load nfs support |
| 01:58.49 | astromme | And... it's slow as hell over the wireless connection. Lol... |
| 01:59.07 | johnx | astromme, might be worth looking at USB networking |
| 01:59.29 | astromme | I agree. I couldn't get that working though... Is there any way to do it from my native os2008? |
| 01:59.52 | johnx | I haven't tried it on native OS2008 |
| 01:59.59 | astromme | What have you used? |
| 02:00.15 | lcuk | nite foks |
| 02:00.42 | johnx | 'night |
| 02:01.08 | johnx | astromme, Debian on N800 |
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| 02:03.16 | astromme | How did you get debian on your n800? |
| 02:03.40 | johnx | debootstrap |
| 02:03.48 | pupnik | i seriously need to catch up on serge and Xc |
| 02:03.49 | pupnik | Xv |
| 02:04.07 | astromme | I guess I've heard of that, but ? |
| 02:04.30 | astromme | did you format a memory card, debootstrap the arm os to it, then use the bootloader on the n800 to load it? |
| 02:04.38 | johnx | astromme, exactly |
| 02:04.39 | astromme | And it worked? |
| 02:05.13 | astromme | I only have a bluetooth keyboard... would I be able to do input? |
| 02:05.14 | johnx | astromme, if you do exactly that it should boot debian with no networking, no physical console and no input |
| 02:05.35 | astromme | Ouch. |
| 02:05.40 | johnx | astromme, I'm working on rolling up a new release of a debian tarball with some modifications to make it behave better |
| 02:06.12 | astromme | That would be great |
| 02:07.05 | johnx | astromme: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/debianepiphany-webkit.png |
| 02:07.50 | astromme | That's great! |
| 02:08.17 | astromme | are you using maemo in debian? |
| 02:08.21 | johnx | yup |
| 02:08.39 | astromme | Ok. And, do you have a hardware keyboard that you plug in? (usb otg?) |
| 02:08.48 | johnx | actually, no keyboard right now |
| 02:08.48 | astromme | err.. usb hostmode? |
| 02:08.50 | astromme | ok |
| 02:08.53 | johnx | I mostly ssh in |
| 02:09.01 | johnx | and power saving = not so much |
| 02:09.03 | astromme | How did you do the initial config to be able to ssh in? |
| 02:09.05 | astromme | I can imagine |
| 02:09.18 | astromme | But I'd only need it for developing/compiling. |
| 02:09.37 | johnx | I did a writeup here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian |
| 02:10.29 | johnx | pretty much: debootstrap, have g_ether.ko get loaded early and bring up usb0 and load utelnetd that calls sh as root instead of login |
| 02:10.52 | johnx | then I discovered that other people had done it before me and had nice initscripts prepared |
| 02:10.54 | johnx | hahaha |
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| 02:13.46 | astromme | lol |
| 02:13.54 | astromme | such is life |
| 02:15.06 | johnx | anyways if it's just for dev stuff you can easily debootstrap/chroot to use debian armel right now |
| 02:15.24 | johnx | and just leave the Nokia stuff running |
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| 02:16.47 | astromme | oh, that's interesting |
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| 02:20.58 | astromme | johnx, Have you ever played with sbrsh? |
| 02:21.04 | johnx | not really |
| 02:21.15 | johnx | I should/will though as soon as scratchbox2 is released |
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| 02:21.51 | astromme | When will that be... |
| 02:22.01 | johnx | "when it's finished" :) |
| 02:22.20 | johnx | I have no idea really |
| 02:22.22 | astromme | Also, do you think that it could just be the wireless connection that is making my sbrsh go slower than molassas.... we're talking 1K times slower |
| 02:23.21 | johnx | well the wireless connection certainly isn't helping I'm sure |
| 02:23.26 | johnx | I'd believe it though |
| 02:23.35 | astromme | Hmm, alright |
| 02:23.46 | astromme | How does it work on a technical level? |
| 02:24.04 | johnx | Nokia uses pretty aggressive power management on their wireless... |
| 02:24.09 | johnx | technical level of what? |
| 02:24.29 | astromme | sbrsh? |
| 02:24.40 | astromme | I wonder if there is a way to turn that off |
| 02:24.43 | astromme | I have my device plugged in... |
| 02:25.17 | johnx | I would just try a USB net connection if that helps a lot, go back and fix wireless later |
| 02:25.33 | astromme | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.42 | astromme | Can I do that with the stock os2008? |
| 02:25.48 | johnx | I haven't used sbrsh and I haven't really dug into scratchbox except to compile some simple things |
| 02:25.53 | johnx | yes, I think so |
| 02:26.15 | johnx | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html |
| 02:26.18 | johnx | short and sweet :) |
| 02:29.59 | astromme | I'll look into it, thanks |
| 02:30.04 | johnx | sure |
| 02:30.56 | astromme | astromme@Lentren:~$ ping 10.0.0.228 |
| 02:30.57 | astromme | PING 10.0.0.228 (10.0.0.228) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 02:30.57 | astromme | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.228: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=99.0 ms |
| 02:30.57 | astromme | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.228: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=123 ms |
| 02:30.57 | astromme | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.228: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=146 ms |
| 02:30.57 | astromme | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.228: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=169 ms |
| 02:31.07 | astromme | Woops, didn't mean all of that. Well, you get the picture |
| 02:31.09 | astromme | that's over wireless |
| 02:31.26 | astromme | PING 192.168.2.15 (192.168.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 02:31.26 | astromme | 64 bytes from 192.168.2.15: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.827 ms |
| 02:31.27 | johnx | that's pretty bad |
| 02:31.31 | astromme | That's over usbnet |
| 02:31.34 | astromme | Really bad |
| 02:31.59 | astromme | When I used to play wow, I played on Californian servers (I live in Minnesota). I got better pings from their servers.... |
| 02:32.22 | johnx | I think Nokia's power saving sleeps the wireless *really* aggressively |
| 02:32.29 | johnx | on bulk transfers it's actually not bad |
| 02:32.42 | johnx | nor is it that bad for skype from continent to continent :) |
| 02:32.56 | johnx | but intermittent/interactive stuff isn't great |
| 02:33.17 | astromme | Ok |
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| 02:33.59 | astromme | Yeah, to my server (from a wirless laptop, Thinkpad x61t) it's .78ms.... =P |
| 02:34.32 | astromme | but from my desktop it's .08... lol |
| 02:37.16 | astromme | Well, this is better (usb net) |
| 02:37.19 | astromme | but still slow |
| 02:38.35 | astromme | Is there any way to shutdown the maemo environment on my n800? To free up ram for compiling? And, is there any way to set up a remote swap... and would it be useful? |
| 02:38.58 | johnx | the control panel will let you setup swap on you SD card |
| 02:39.22 | astromme | Yeah, but I don't want a lot of writes on my SD card when compiling. I'm happy to use it for day-to-day stuff. |
| 02:39.40 | johnx | oh c'mon, it has a life time warranty, right? |
| 02:39.46 | astromme | lol |
| 02:39.49 | astromme | True |
| 02:39.57 | astromme | If I can the documents... |
| 02:40.13 | johnx | and did they tell you that you *couldn't* swap to it? |
| 02:40.25 | johnx | anyways no, probably not an easy way to disable the maemo stuff |
| 02:40.47 | astromme | Alright |
| 02:40.57 | johnx | you might be able to get away with turning off a couple of the biggest memory using programs if you can find them |
| 02:41.04 | jott | you can shut down quite a few services .. |
| 02:41.14 | johnx | metalayer crawler might be a good candidate |
| 02:41.28 | astromme | It would be conviluted, but I suppose I could mount a nfs share, create a file image for swap, mkswap, then mount it. |
| 02:41.40 | johnx | not recommended |
| 02:41.41 | jott | look into the /etc/osso-af-init/*.sh stuff.. |
| 02:41.45 | johnx | probably won't help |
| 02:42.11 | astromme | Is there any list that shows what will reboot the device when stopped with /etc/init.d runscripts? |
| 02:42.12 | johnx | ask google about "swap over NFS" and see what it says :P |
| 02:42.27 | Tama^2 | if you are after perfomance swap over a network connection is not the best idea |
| 02:42.40 | johnx | performance or stability ... |
| 02:42.44 | astromme | I was playing around earlier with kde4 and I wanted to shutdown matchbox... but I kept getting my device to reboot instead |
| 02:43.20 | johnx | some stuff is launched by dsme (in /mnt/initfs) with monitoring enabled |
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| 02:43.46 | jott | astromme: you have to stop it via the osso-af-init scripts (or the launchwrapper) |
| 02:43.51 | Tama^2 | johnx: you said before one can chroot into a debian armel from OS2008? |
| 02:43.59 | johnx | yeah |
| 02:44.02 | Tama^2 | sounds interesting to me... very |
| 02:44.16 | johnx | better yet, it's really, really painlessly easy |
| 02:45.02 | Tama^2 | fantastic |
| 02:45.03 | astromme | jott: I played around with those as well? Or maybe my memory is failing me. Will any of them reboot the device? |
| 02:45.28 | jott | astromme: yes. some are. i've not taken notes which exactly ;) |
| 02:45.53 | johnx | Tama^2, do you have a debian/ubuntu desktop/laptop? |
| 02:46.30 | Tama^2 | I do but the bet way for me is use a VM on my macbookpro |
| 02:46.34 | Tama^2 | *best |
| 02:46.55 | Tama^2 | that should work as well |
| 02:47.02 | Tama^2 | why? |
| 02:47.16 | johnx | then go here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto , scroll down to "creating a EABI chroot..." |
| 02:47.35 | Tama^2 | wow, thanks! |
| 02:47.40 | johnx | run the first command on i386 debian (so you avoid having to install debootstrap on OS2008) |
| 02:47.44 | Tama^2 | first class service :P |
| 02:48.02 | jott | but matchbox can be stopped |
| 02:48.02 | jott | as well as the hildon-desktop |
| 02:48.02 | jott | and media-server, connectivity-ui, clipboard, keyboard |
| 02:48.03 | johnx | put it on an ext2 formatted SD card, run the second command on the tablet, |
| 02:48.19 | johnx | chroot /media/mmc2/ su - |
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| 02:48.40 | johnx | Tama^2, you might want to mount --bind directories you want access to as well |
| 02:48.47 | johnx | like /proc/ /dev and /home/user |
| 02:48.53 | jott | ... |
| 02:49.27 | Tama^2 | I will do it tomorrow |
| 02:49.31 | Tama^2 | :) |
| 02:49.33 | astromme | I wonder if sbrsh uses my laptop's cpu for compiling, and just runs the resultant binaries over the network...? |
| 02:49.50 | johnx | astromme, I think that's correct |
| 02:49.57 | astromme | Now, the one problem (not really a problem) is that you're still running the osso kernel |
| 02:50.02 | astromme | Good, that should be faster. |
| 02:50.24 | pupnik | what does the Chr key do on n810? :) |
| 02:50.41 | jott | pupnik: popup a bar with some special keys |
| 02:50.45 | johnx | astromme, yeah, Nokia has lots of proprietary power management stuff |
| 02:51.11 | pupnik | ahhhh |
| 02:51.48 | Tama^2 | johnx: do you use sid as in the example or you based your work on another version? |
| 02:52.04 | johnx | sid is the only version with armel support right now |
| 02:52.10 | astromme | Really? |
| 02:52.18 | johnx | arm != armel |
| 02:52.28 | jott | pupnik: (frankly it would be better to use it as some extra Mod key ;) |
| 02:52.30 | astromme | What does the n800 use? |
| 02:53.00 | johnx | well they're not really different CPU archictectures so much as different ABIs |
| 02:53.05 | pupnik | cool, i just modded fn+space to be tab |
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| 02:53.25 | johnx | astromme, for an exhaustive discussion on the situation, please see: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort :) |
| 02:53.27 | astromme | Man, I'd really like a n810... I'll have to find the funds for this summer. |
| 02:53.29 | astromme | Ok |
| 02:53.32 | jott | pupnik: yeah map every free key-combination you need it ;) |
| 02:53.40 | astromme | That keyboard sounds very useful |
| 02:53.45 | astromme | And I've never had a gps device |
| 02:55.01 | pupnik | same here. unfortunately i don't need one |
| 02:55.09 | pupnik | but maybe someday it will be very useful |
| 02:55.14 | astromme | Yeah. |
| 02:55.43 | legind | astromme, with a limited budget it may be easier to go for an n800 and get a bt gps reciever |
| 02:55.52 | jott | yeah like when you're dropped in the australian outback and only have your n810 with you ;) |
| 02:55.54 | legind | i before e except after c... gets me every time. |
| 02:56.00 | astromme | I do already have a n800. Any suggestions on bt gps reciever? |
| 02:56.31 | legind | you can look it up on ebay, theres tonnes of them. I use a g-sat one |
| 02:56.46 | astromme | Although... I need a new phone. I've looked at th n95, but I have two problems with it. 1. mpls has no 3g support 2. it's expensive |
| 02:57.04 | pupnik | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ btw this is an important blog for n810 owners : customizing keys |
| 02:57.06 | johnx | consensus seems to be: something with a sirfIII, sirfIIIc or mtk chipset |
| 02:57.07 | astromme | If I got one, could I link it to my n800 for gps? |
| 02:57.10 | legind | just get a plain old cell and tether it with a phone |
| 02:57.14 | legind | er |
| 02:57.16 | jott | pupnik: but not via xmodmap ;) |
| 02:57.21 | legind | tether the n800 with the 3g phone |
| 02:57.23 | jott | pupnik: better modify the xkb file |
| 02:57.25 | johnx | astromme, yes, check on itt forums |
| 02:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | Johnx, avoid sirf III |
| 02:57.30 | johnx | really? |
| 02:57.31 | GeneralAntilles | SiRF IIIc or MTK |
| 02:57.36 | johnx | why? |
| 02:57.38 | legind | I have yet to do that because data plans are expensive, but friends of mine have |
| 02:57.39 | pupnik | jott right, just edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44. |
| 02:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | SiRF III has really bad power consumption compared to the other two. |
| 02:58.09 | johnx | ah |
| 02:58.37 | johnx | but otherwise it's fine right? |
| 02:58.46 | legind | astromme, bt-359 is what I've got |
| 02:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 02:58.57 | astromme | I'm happy, I got a $20/mo cingular/att unlimited data plan for my nokia 6682. I use it almost daily |
| 02:59.12 | astromme | with my n800, my lenovo x61t and my phone directly |
| 02:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | astromme, it's even better with 3g. ;) |
| 02:59.19 | astromme | I can imagine |
| 02:59.50 | legind | I'm sure I would. theres loads of cafes with pay-per-hour internet. I could work there without the hassle of paying every time, probably would end up being more anyway |
| 03:00.35 | legind | the main marked improvement of the n810 is the physical keyboard. other than that I'm glad I got the n800 |
| 03:00.40 | astromme | Yea |
| 03:00.49 | astromme | And I hate the non-inclusion of sd slots... |
| 03:00.54 | legind | plus, the n810 only has room for one sdhc card |
| 03:00.55 | legind | yes |
| 03:00.55 | astromme | I have tons of extra sd cards |
| 03:01.05 | astromme | but no sd mini or whatever it is |
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| 03:01.21 | legind | I bought two 8gig sd cards |
| 03:01.32 | astromme | And plus, then I can't stick random-sd-card from friend-a into my n800, like I do on a weekly basis for photo-viewing, movie watching, etc... |
| 03:01.47 | legind | almost for the express purpose of mocking any iphone users that may be in my vicinity |
| 03:03.37 | astromme | =) |
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| 03:05.09 | astromme | I definitely laugh on the inside when my friend with an iPhone laments that he can't upgrade to the new software b/c he has to pay and there is no jailbrake ready |
| 03:05.16 | pupnik | can i disable toolbar shortcut (pgup, pgdn, tab, esc, ctrl) in OS2008 xterm? |
| 03:06.18 | jott | pupnik: though the setting is not saved (bug) you can toggle it vie View -> Show toolbar |
| 03:06.22 | jott | via |
| 03:06.42 | pupnik | argh thanks |
| 03:07.35 | pupnik | this keyboard is like... good enough to make the shell fun |
| 03:07.45 | astromme | Did you just get your n810? |
| 03:07.57 | pupnik | yeah it's a pretty amazing piece of gear |
| 03:09.21 | jott | yeah i also like the keyboard. |
| 03:09.39 | jott | when you start to get used to it it's really efficient. |
| 03:09.49 | jott | (and map some important keys) |
| 03:10.08 | pupnik | i'm about 2x as fast on the thumbboard as i ever got with onscreen keyboard |
| 03:10.24 | jott | onscreen keyboards always suck.. |
| 03:10.38 | jott | they take away too much screen space |
| 03:10.43 | astromme | Does anyone know about recovering from user error with apt-get? I.E..... I installed a package, not noticing that it put "ftp.debian.org" into my /etc/apt/sources.list on my ubuntu box |
| 03:10.56 | pupnik | and how thoughtful of Kerningan and Ritchie to put 'l' and 's' under my thumbs |
| 03:11.03 | astromme | Then, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade.. "Woah, that's a lot of packages.. well, ok" <enter> |
| 03:11.35 | astromme | 30 minutes later "wait a minute... not good". I ended up reinstalling the system, but before I did I had a mix of ubuntu 7.10 and debian sid... |
| 03:11.44 | fysa | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mogg/ |
| 03:12.02 | johnx | astromme, use /etc/apt/preferences to pin the priorities of ubuntu packages higher than debian, apt-get dist-upgrade and cross your fingers really, really hard |
| 03:12.29 | fysa | anyone update https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mogg/ for OS2008? |
| 03:13.15 | johnx | fysa, are you aware of thishttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ ? |
| 03:13.55 | jott | astromme: another (more hacky) way is to parse your dpkg.log and reinstall everything up to the point of time you messed up (without the debian repo) :p |
| 03:14.30 | astromme | Yikes! |
| 03:14.33 | fysa | aha |
| 03:15.02 | jott | astromme: i recovered my system once this way.. as most other attemptes seemed to fail ;) |
| 03:15.03 | astromme | Well, like I said, I ended up reinstalling with a hardy snapshot. (Yay for LVM, made my life simplistic). But I'll keep your suggestion in mind. |
| 03:15.21 | johnx | I think I should make a wrapper around apt-get that does a get-selections before it runs ... |
| 03:22.01 | astromme | Does anyone here have a nokia 770? |
| 03:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
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| 03:24.41 | astromme | How does it work for you? When did you get it? Is it _really_ that much slower than a n800/n810 (assuming you have one) |
| 03:24.57 | GeneralAntilles | Fine, 2005, yes. |
| 03:25.30 | astromme | I was thinking of getting one back in september. |
| 03:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | Makes for a fantastic ebook/media controller/couch browser. |
| 03:26.07 | astromme | One last "for the cloud" question: does anyone know why the screen refreshes on the n800,n810 cause tearing? (It's visible in movies and canola mostly) |
| 03:26.11 | astromme | True |
| 03:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | Because the LCD controller bus is weak. |
| 03:26.38 | astromme | No way around it? =/ |
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| 03:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 03:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, unless you convert everything to 8-bit grayscale. |
| 03:27.26 | astromme | Yuck! |
| 03:27.30 | johnx | people have been talking about 12bit... |
| 03:27.31 | pupnik | 770 is also very durable for on-the-go |
| 03:28.01 | johnx | astromme, ~18MB/s is what you can get to the LCD controller, IIRC |
| 03:28.05 | astromme | What would you want in a "n900"? |
| 03:28.13 | johnx | coffee maker |
| 03:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 |
| 03:28.13 | astromme | johnx - that's not good at all |
| 03:28.17 | pupnik | i think there are no tearing issues with the n8x0 and mplayer astromme |
| 03:28.41 | pupnik | as long as your videos fit in 400x240 |
| 03:29.25 | astromme | Hmm, ok |
| 03:29.38 | johnx | you could probably do 640x480 at 20fps |
| 03:29.40 | astromme | They have to be 1/2 screen resolution? (Stretched, I know) |
| 03:30.02 | johnx | astromme, AFAIK |
| 03:30.09 | johnx | er...AFAIK, no they don't |
| 03:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, tried 24fps (mencoder choked on 20) at 640x480 at about 700Kbps yesterday. |
| 03:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | Still dropped frames. |
| 03:30.31 | johnx | yeah, my math says that's right on the border line |
| 03:30.42 | johnx | that's pressing the CPU pretty hard at this point in time |
| 03:31.01 | johnx | and also the sound situation with mplayer in OS2008 costs CPU time |
| 03:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder about something like ~560*420 |
| 03:32.10 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the math: xres * yres * bitdepth in bytes (16/2) * fps |
| 03:32.22 | johnx | + some overhead coefficient |
| 03:33.37 | johnx | some way to do adaptive resolution / framerate would be really neat but would be a horrible nightmare to implement I'm sure |
| 03:36.25 | astromme | Interesting... qmake is run with cputransp, meaning it eats my n800's cpu. |
| 03:36.33 | johnx | nice |
| 03:36.51 | astromme | What is the max rated frequency for the arm chips in the n8x0? |
| 03:37.02 | johnx | 400MHz |
| 03:37.03 | astromme | And is there a way for me to adjust it? |
| 03:37.16 | johnx | overclock? or underclock? |
| 03:37.22 | astromme | Did we know that before nokia bumped it up to 400? |
| 03:37.24 | astromme | Either |
| 03:37.37 | johnx | astromme, didn't know |
| 03:37.38 | astromme | Under for battery (in theory), over for compiling when on ac |
| 03:37.45 | johnx | and it uses cpufreq by default |
| 03:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | No, we didn't, but, no, there's no more headroom. ;) |
| 03:38.08 | johnx | so it sits at 165MHz until you want it to do something |
| 03:38.08 | astromme | johnx, in theory, could it go higher? Assuming .. oh, general says no? |
| 03:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | It could go higher |
| 03:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | but then you'd sacrifice stability and, possibly, your device. |
| 03:38.46 | astromme | ok =P. |
| 03:38.47 | johnx | search overclock on itt, definitely seems like a popular topic :) |
| 03:42.46 | braddbr | hi guys, got my n800 today.. just looking for common urls if anyone has any interesting ones (mainly software depots for now) |
| 03:43.31 | johnx | http://gronmayer.com/it http://downloads.maemo.org http://internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 03:43.38 | braddbr | thank you |
| 03:43.40 | johnx | :) |
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| 03:44.27 | johnx | :P |
| 03:44.32 | fysa | how do we get lower brightness than minĀæ |
| 03:44.48 | jott | chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -b 3 |
| 03:44.49 | astromme | I'm wondering the same thing |
| 03:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you, fysa. |
| 03:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | I just deleted that link from my bookmarks |
| 03:45.19 | johnx | lower brightness: with fanoush's modified kernel or rm_you's brightness applet |
| 03:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=564&release_id=1398 |
| 03:45.29 | jott | ^^ |
| 03:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you's applet |
| 03:45.35 | fysa | woo hoo |
| 03:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | kernel is a pain. |
| 03:45.43 | jott | oops |
| 03:45.47 | jott | wrong |
| 03:45.57 | fysa | i only knew of the kernel. thanks. |
| 03:46.04 | jott | -l 3 |
| 03:46.08 | johnx | heh, or chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -d 2 |
| 03:46.09 | jott | chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -l 3 |
| 03:46.14 | jott | ^^ |
| 03:46.15 | johnx | gets your display nice and dark :D |
| 03:46.16 | jott | ;) |
| 03:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you's applet is particularly badass. |
| 03:46.55 | jott | who needs a gui if one has a sliding keyboard ;p |
| 03:46.59 | astromme | Ooh, that is dark! |
| 03:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody who doesn't want to leave xterm running 24/7 |
| 03:47.55 | proteous | the easiest way to get a darker display is a battery hack |
| 03:48.01 | astromme | ? |
| 03:48.06 | johnx | ?! |
| 03:48.12 | jott | GeneralAntilles: those are only folks without an internal keyboard i suppose *g* |
| 03:48.46 | proteous | if you remove the back cover and pop out the battery the display gets really dark |
| 03:48.50 | proteous | it's pretty instant too |
| 03:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | proteous, I don' think that'll work out quite like you think it will. |
| 03:48.54 | astromme | .. |
| 03:48.55 | jott | the easiest way to get a dark display is to throw your device in the toilet ;P |
| 03:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 03:49.04 | proteous | heh |
| 03:49.04 | astromme | Same |
| 03:49.36 | proteous | :P |
| 03:49.40 | shackan | *why* would you want an even darker display? |
| 03:49.47 | astromme | At night |
| 03:49.52 | shackan | it's already unreadable unless in close ambients |
| 03:49.54 | astromme | the darkest setting is pretty dang light |
| 03:50.13 | proteous | it can double as a nightlight/flashlight |
| 03:50.15 | proteous | double bonus |
| 03:50.20 | astromme | Hey, I live in minnesota. During the winter our daylight hours are like 8:00am -4:00 pm |
| 03:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | shackan, for reading in the dark. |
| 03:50.27 | proteous | sadly, I've used it for a flashlight before... |
| 03:50.32 | astromme | I spend most of my day in the dark... |
| 03:50.33 | shackan | me too :D |
| 03:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | The default lowest setting is absurdly bright. |
| 03:50.45 | astromme | On os2008, yes |
| 03:50.47 | shackan | astromme: do you work in mines? |
| 03:50.51 | proteous | lol |
| 03:50.55 | astromme | No, I don't =P |
| 03:50.55 | jott | yeah it burns in the eyes when the room is dark |
| 03:51.05 | proteous | he just hasn't come out of the closet yet |
| 03:51.11 | EruditeHermit | hey, is anyone having trouble with uktube? |
| 03:51.21 | astromme | But I spend 6 hours at school in the light, then 8 hours at home in the dark.... (In the winter) |
| 03:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | brightness level 1 is perfect for reading with the lights out. |
| 03:51.42 | proteous | that only makes up 14 hours, what planet are you on? |
| 03:51.46 | astromme | In the summer, I get light from roughly 5:30 am to 10PM |
| 03:51.53 | astromme | Sleep.... |
| 03:52.00 | astromme | well, ok |
| 03:52.03 | proteous | :P |
| 03:52.06 | astromme | I don't sleep 10 hours |
| 03:52.16 | astromme | So adjust those previous values a bit |
| 03:52.26 | EruditeHermit | I get http://rafb.net/p/zr3jpe65.html |
| 03:52.45 | proteous | totaly not clicking on that link |
| 03:52.52 | astromme | it's nothing |
| 03:52.56 | proteous | sure sure |
| 03:53.02 | johnx | clicked, contains python error |
| 03:53.04 | astromme | just a traceback. /shrug |
| 03:53.25 | johnx | proteous, this isn't slashdot ;p |
| 03:53.29 | proteous | heh |
| 03:53.47 | EruditeHermit | is it just a bug? |
| 03:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | More importantly, this isn't slashdot at -1. |
| 03:54.04 | astromme | omfg. ./configure is till running... qtmake still taking up my cpu |
| 03:54.07 | EruditeHermit | I think perhaps youtube changed |
| 03:54.07 | johnx | youtube changes their URL scheme every so often |
| 03:54.12 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 03:54.17 | jott | astromme: what are you trying to build? |
| 03:54.29 | proteous | not so much anymore since they have a nice API from google |
| 03:54.58 | johnx | ah, someone needs to rewrite uktube for that |
| 03:55.05 | johnx | astromme, this is for KDE, yes? |
| 03:55.33 | astromme | Yes |
| 03:55.36 | astromme | qt4 at the moment |
| 03:55.43 | astromme | I had it all built, but I'm rebuilding with cputransp |
| 03:55.48 | jott | there is a ready qt4 :) |
| 03:55.54 | astromme | With dev headers? |
| 03:56.00 | jott | sure |
| 03:56.07 | astromme | O.O |
| 03:56.08 | jott | just without accessiblity support |
| 03:56.19 | jott | (in case you want to compile kde4 with it ;P |
| 03:56.25 | jott | qt4.garage.maemo.org |
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| 03:57.00 | r_ | Hi! |
| 03:57.00 | EruditeHermit | johnx: do you think there is a simple fix or do I have to wait for uktube to be fixed? |
| 03:57.27 | r_ | Could somebody help me with information where to get gen_vkb? |
| 03:58.25 | johnx | EruditeHermit, it seems not to be updated often and I have no idea how difficult the fix is |
| 03:58.37 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 03:58.39 | johnx | but since google published an API for it, it might not be that hard |
| 03:58.53 | EruditeHermit | I'll just wait till they fix it I guess |
| 03:58.57 | EruditeHermit | thanks |
| 03:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | konttori is a Nokian now. |
| 03:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | No time to update his puny old python apps. :D |
| 04:00.03 | EruditeHermit | are there any other youtube apps for maemo? |
| 04:00.20 | pupnik | youtube-dl python script |
| 04:00.26 | EruditeHermit | where is that? |
| 04:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just watch it in the browser? |
| 04:00.39 | EruditeHermit | its too slow in the browser |
| 04:00.43 | astromme | yeah |
| 04:00.50 | EruditeHermit | flash is slow |
| 04:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's fine in OS2008. |
| 04:00.57 | fysa | do i have to reboot for this to work? |
| 04:01.00 | astromme | not until it loads completely |
| 04:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, is it in the menu? |
| 04:01.12 | astromme | same |
| 04:01.13 | EruditeHermit | me too |
| 04:01.18 | smackpotato | the ykfix |
| 04:01.18 | EruditeHermit | slows everything down |
| 04:01.19 | fysa | ahh |
| 04:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | menu . . . |
| 04:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | I mean status bar. |
| 04:02.21 | fysa | cool. |
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| 04:05.16 | jott | anyone willing to test my first pymaemo app? http://sse2.net/pytimer_0.1.0-1_all.deb - it's an finger-controllable eggtimer |
| 04:06.45 | astromme | Heh, it tells me the timestamp for the tar is in the future |
| 04:06.51 | jott | :o |
| 04:07.07 | jott | it's just build ;) |
| 04:07.31 | jott | see if you understand it without instructions ;) |
| 04:08.39 | fysa | works well on my device |
| 04:08.56 | astromme | That's cool |
| 04:09.15 | astromme | I like the scroll up/down to change it |
| 04:09.16 | jott | you can either use back or colon to start/stop the timer.. |
| 04:09.17 | fysa | i almost expect it to count auto after leaving it for 10 secs |
| 04:09.28 | astromme | You should make it animated so that a user can see while his finger is still pressed |
| 04:09.59 | fysa | ithen touch to pause. that is one less tap for most cases |
| 04:10.36 | fysa | or 5 |
| 04:11.36 | smackpotato | EH here is a link that uses tthe neew youtube skeem |
| 04:11.47 | smackpotato | http://ash-v364.ash.youtube.com/get_video.flv?video_id=cmNCALGHOC4 |
| 04:12.03 | jott | fysa: hmm i don't understand what you mean. |
| 04:12.51 | jott | does the visual alarm work on a n800? |
| 04:13.51 | fysa | when you slide it to change a digit, reset an internal timer. if that timer hits 5 or 10 seconds, begin counting down. i.e, they are done picking their time. we know they want it to run down. |
| 04:14.33 | fysa | then let them pause/continue with a tap |
| 04:15.11 | jott | hmmm.. i wonder if this is feasible.. as an option this might be nice.. |
| 04:15.43 | fysa | how most oven timers work |
| 04:16.29 | jott | 5 seconds should be enough i suppose, or? |
| 04:16.31 | fysa | i would love that simple interface with a clock. |
| 04:16.57 | fysa | try 6 |
| 04:17.08 | jott | heh 5.75? :p |
| 04:17.29 | fysa | i want a simple clock to run at night sometimes |
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| 04:17.42 | jott | yeah. indeed |
| 04:17.46 | astromme_ | Woah, that was weird |
| 04:17.53 | astromme_ | I just had both of my linux boxes freeze on me |
| 04:18.08 | astromme_ | I wonder if that is something with hardy.... |
| 04:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | How does it start? |
| 04:18.17 | fysa | linur eclipse |
| 04:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | pytimer is pwning me |
| 04:18.36 | astromme_ | First my desktop stops playing music, so I investigate.... I can't do anything, not even ctrl-alt-shift-sysrq |
| 04:18.37 | jott | GeneralAntilles: my timer? colon or back |
| 04:18.40 | fysa | touch the : |
| 04:18.48 | astromme_ | And then about 2 minutes later |
| 04:18.52 | astromme_ | My laptop does the same thing |
| 04:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | The LED didn't stop after I closed it. <_< |
| 04:19.38 | fysa | it's because I am on your roof. |
| 04:19.48 | jott | GeneralAntilles: ooh :) ok yeah that has to be catched. |
| 04:20.09 | jott | (it stops when tapping on the screen while it runs) |
| 04:20.11 | proteous | stop it with the touching of the :'s please |
| 04:20.27 | fysa | ooo could you update the icon with the time? ;) |
| 04:20.43 | jott | fysa: good question. |
| 04:21.19 | fysa | render ttf to bitmap with gd |
| 04:21.57 | jott | yeah the bitmap generation is not the problem. i wonder if hildon/matchbox handle the icon update |
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| 04:24.20 | smackpotato | EruditeHermit: you can use that link to edit uktube.py |
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| 04:34.04 | pppoe_dude | hi |
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| 04:34.22 | astromme_ | hi |
| 04:34.37 | pppoe_dude | i am trying to get osso-screenshot-tool to work on my 770, but dpkg -i says the .deb has the wrong architecture |
| 04:34.40 | pppoe_dude | any ideas? |
| 04:34.48 | astromme_ | what package are you using? |
| 04:34.49 | pppoe_dude | i downloaded the arm version |
| 04:34.51 | astromme_ | paste the name here |
| 04:35.06 | pppoe_dude | from here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/osso-screenshot-tool/ |
| 04:35.12 | pppoe_dude | osso-screenshot-tool_1.20-1_arm.deb |
| 04:35.17 | pupnik | why does os2008 tar have problems with some of my .tgz files... "tar: short read" |
| 04:35.22 | pppoe_dude | it says i need the 'armel' version |
| 04:35.23 | astromme_ | you don't want to "apt-get install osso-screenshot-tool"? |
| 04:35.38 | pppoe_dude | ooh theres apt-get? lol |
| 04:35.50 | astromme_ | pupnik, could it be the memory bug that was appearing with the 770? |
| 04:35.54 | pupnik | arm is for OS2005 |
| 04:35.58 | astromme_ | pppoe_dude, Yep =) |
| 04:36.00 | johnx | pupnik, corrupted memory card? |
| 04:36.05 | pppoe_dude | ok it says it has no installation candidate |
| 04:36.12 | astromme_ | Have you added the repo? |
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| 04:36.18 | astromme_ | You can do it from the gui if you want |
| 04:36.23 | pppoe_dude | astro76, which repo? sorry i'm new to maemo |
| 04:36.27 | astromme_ | that gronmayer site... what is it |
| 04:36.33 | astromme_ | Give me a sec to find it |
| 04:36.47 | pppoe_dude | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php |
| 04:36.50 | astromme_ | Yes |
| 04:37.02 | pppoe_dude | many repos... which one? |
| 04:37.19 | pupnik | use the search |
| 04:37.22 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 04:38.14 | pupnik | Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-screenshot-tool/osso-screenshot-tool_1.05-1_armel.deb for OS2006 |
| 04:38.31 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 04:38.44 | astromme_ | pppoe_dude, Are you using a 770? |
| 04:38.59 | pppoe_dude | astro76, yes |
| 04:39.03 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.25 | pppoe_dude | pupnik, would i put that under 'web address' in 'new catalog'? |
| 04:40.08 | pppoe_dude | i guess distribution: gregale and components: fee? |
| 04:40.10 | pppoe_dude | free* |
| 04:40.24 | pupnik | i think so yes |
| 04:40.38 | johnx | pppoe_dude, or you can just click the "click to install" on gronmayer.com/it to get the repo |
| 04:40.38 | pppoe_dude | will try that. otherwise will just download and do dpkg :) |
| 04:40.49 | pupnik | you have OS2006 on your 770 pppoe_dude ? |
| 04:40.55 | pppoe_dude | pupnik, ya latest, afaik |
| 04:41.08 | r_ | pupnik: are you use tar from busybox or gnutar? |
| 04:41.16 | pupnik | must be busybox r_ |
| 04:41.47 | pppoe_dude | man |
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| 04:41.51 | pppoe_dude | this makes me happy haha |
| 04:41.55 | pppoe_dude | i mean... maemo |
| 04:42.15 | astromme_ | cool |
| 04:42.21 | pppoe_dude | ok im doing apt-get now |
| 04:42.40 | pppoe_dude | it seems like it's doing a lot of configuring with libs and stuff... |
| 04:42.58 | pppoe_dude | actually.. it seems to be reconfiguring all the packages haha.. |
| 04:43.03 | astromme_ | O.O? |
| 04:43.08 | pppoe_dude | 0.0 |
| 04:43.09 | astromme_ | What makes you think that? |
| 04:43.30 | pppoe_dude | it's just saying 'setting up' then a whole bunch of packages... after the apt-get install osso-screenshot-tool |
| 04:43.38 | astromme_ | Ugh, cmake is also running on cputransp, meaning it's also slow.... way too slow |
| 04:43.45 | r_ | pupnik: may be http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=1429 |
| 04:43.50 | pppoe_dude | and a bunch of ldconfig 'can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf' errors |
| 04:44.08 | pppoe_dude | this is the first time i run apt-get manually tho, so perhaps this is why |
| 04:44.14 | astromme_ | that makes sense r_ |
| 04:44.57 | pppoe_dude | ah... interesting... anyway, i think it all went successfully albeit not cleanly but perhaps all is well in the end |
| 04:45.28 | pppoe_dude | oooh nice |
| 04:45.34 | pppoe_dude | :) |
| 04:45.40 | astromme_ | It works? |
| 04:46.32 | pppoe_dude | i think so. |
| 04:46.37 | pppoe_dude | will upload a screenshot in a secon |
| 04:49.02 | pppoe_dude | ah awesomeness |
| 04:50.23 | pupnik | thanks a bunch r_ |
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| 04:51.45 | r_ | welcome !-) |
| 04:53.23 | pupnik | i will use zip instead |
| 04:55.34 | pppoe_dude | http://www.xshot.org/screenie/27290108 |
| 04:56.23 | astromme_ | Weird, that page crashes konqueror |
| 04:56.43 | pppoe_dude | astro76, which one?>! |
| 04:56.50 | pppoe_dude | astromme_, |
| 04:57.04 | pppoe_dude | the xshot page? |
| 04:57.06 | astromme_ | the xshot |
| 04:57.08 | pppoe_dude | :S |
| 04:57.09 | astromme_ | yes |
| 04:57.35 | astromme_ | same with konqueror-kde4 |
| 04:57.36 | pppoe_dude | are you sure it wasnt something else? and can you tell me possibly what you did ? (i run the site) |
| 04:57.38 | astromme_ | lets try firefox |
| 04:58.29 | johnx | The complete LCARRS (sp?) look is pretty impressive ... but really, really ugly IMHO :) |
| 04:58.30 | astromme_ | works fine in firefox |
| 04:58.38 | astromme_ | Maybe its something with my cache. I'll try my desktop |
| 04:59.08 | pppoe_dude | johnx, lol |
| 04:59.20 | astromme_ | Yep, on my desktop too |
| 04:59.21 | pppoe_dude | johnx, it says LCARS on the side |
| 04:59.40 | johnx | sorry, closed it pretty quick :P |
| 04:59.43 | pppoe_dude | astro76, weird. I will check out what's going on. konqueror0only problem? |
| 04:59.49 | astromme_ | I'll echo that - cool but ugly! |
| 04:59.57 | pppoe_dude | johnx, ill try with another theme then lol |
| 05:00.05 | johnx | that's fine |
| 05:00.07 | pppoe_dude | any nice theme sites? |
| 05:00.10 | astromme_ | And ppoe -> my nice is a stromme, not astroxx. =P |
| 05:00.16 | astromme_ | pppoe* |
| 05:00.21 | pppoe_dude | astromme_, sorry tab complete |
| 05:00.46 | johnx | pppoe_dude, not many themes for any release of ITOS :( |
| 05:00.51 | astromme_ | I'm getting a backtrace from konqueror now |
| 05:00.53 | astromme_ | Yeah =/ |
| 05:00.54 | johnx | one day I'll get around to doing my own |
| 05:01.02 | pppoe_dude | johnx, i want something simple and small fonted |
| 05:01.04 | pppoe_dude | if that's a word haha |
| 05:01.09 | astromme_ | Well, it's something in khtml |
| 05:02.05 | astromme_ | I'm too tired to make sense of it now |
| 05:02.16 | johnx | pppoe_dude, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/12pt-14pt-os2006-themes/ |
| 05:02.26 | johnx | and/or google search: OS2006 themes :) |
| 05:02.46 | pppoe_dude | :) |
| 05:03.04 | pppoe_dude | i don't suppose i can install os2008 on my 770? |
| 05:03.48 | johnx | gah...that first link was wrong, huh? |
| 05:03.48 | astromme_ | Err, I don't think so. |
| 05:03.52 | johnx | pppoe_dude, no OS2008 for 770...yet |
| 05:04.06 | pppoe_dude | yet? |
| 05:04.09 | johnx | Nokia has been making noises about having a 2008HE release ... but no one will say more |
| 05:04.12 | pppoe_dude | so theres hope it will be supported? |
| 05:04.30 | johnx | maybe it will be. I wouldn't hold out to much hope |
| 05:06.06 | astromme_ | Well, I submitted a bug for kde |
| 05:07.10 | astromme_ | it looked like something weird in khtml |
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| 05:09.11 | astromme_ | I'm out for tonight. Goodnight folks |
| 05:09.16 | johnx | 'night |
| 05:09.23 | astromme_ | Thanks for all the help johnx |
| 05:09.29 | johnx | sure :) |
| 05:09.41 | elb | so, I don't seem to get a thumb keyboard at all any more in OS2008, any ideas why that might be? |
| 05:09.59 | johnx | they seem to have tweaked the pressure sensitivity or something |
| 05:10.05 | johnx | hit d-pad center for the thumb keyboard |
| 05:11.06 | elb | in microb, at least, that just acts like pushing enter |
| 05:11.17 | elb | (and ... open the keyboard tray to use the thumb keyboard?) |
| 05:11.34 | johnx | Didn't know you had an N810 |
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| 05:12.02 | elb | sure, but in general, that seems like a funny design choice ;-) |
| 05:12.35 | johnx | I have no idea what they were thinking either |
| 05:13.54 | elb | it doesn't seem to open the thumb keyboard in other apps, either |
| 05:14.15 | johnx | it's probably because the physical keyboard is out |
| 05:14.27 | johnx | it works on an N800 |
| 05:14.34 | elb | yeah, I was originally under the impression that was what was confusing it |
| 05:14.38 | elb | but now ... I cna't tell |
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| 05:15.26 | johnx | heh, I'll trade you an N800 that I can guarantee displays the onscreen keyboard :) |
| 05:18.58 | pppoe_dude | oooh |
| 05:18.59 | pppoe_dude | nice theme |
| 05:19.16 | pppoe_dude | will share in a second |
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| 05:29.55 | pppoe_dude | http://www.xshot.org/screenie/28290108 |
| 05:30.29 | pupnik | nice pppoe_dude |
| 05:30.37 | pupnik | you made this? |
| 05:30.42 | pppoe_dude | pupnik, the theme? |
| 05:30.47 | pupnik | yea |
| 05:30.48 | pppoe_dude | no |
| 05:30.53 | pppoe_dude | it's from maemo.org |
| 05:30.57 | pppoe_dude | it's my screenshot tho :) |
| 05:31.04 | pupnik | what's it called? |
| 05:31.09 | pppoe_dude | NuvoBlack |
| 05:32.10 | pupnik | ty |
| 05:32.19 | pppoe_dude | although it's still not as simple as i really want a theme to be haha |
| 05:32.27 | pppoe_dude | it would be perfect if the icons were also flat |
| 05:32.39 | pppoe_dude | and the scroll bar |
| 05:32.57 | johnx | as well as the fonts? |
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| 05:34.12 | pupnik | has it broken anything on your 770 yet pppoe_dude ? |
| 05:34.24 | pppoe_dude | not so far |
| 05:35.42 | pupnik | ahhhh soo nice |
| 05:38.43 | pppoe_dude | pupnik, you have a 770?> |
| 05:39.15 | pupnik | yes |
| 05:40.04 | dieman | yay |
| 05:40.14 | dieman | got radar data working in maemo-mapper |
| 05:40.25 | pupnik | wow nice |
| 05:40.41 | dieman | Ā still need to add a feature to get it to auto-refresh |
| 05:40.42 | dieman | tho |
| 05:40.55 | dieman | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2086&group_id=29&atid=188 has the wms url im using |
| 05:41.11 | dieman | its creepy to zoom out and get the full usa data |
| 05:41.22 | dieman | and i have no clue how much xfer this is, need to try it out with my phone |
| 05:41.25 | dieman | over wifi its fine ;) |
| 05:42.03 | dieman | pop up edge on my tablet here |
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| 05:46.12 | johnx | that is really cool :D |
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| 05:46.45 | dieman | heh |
| 05:47.09 | dieman | i do skywarn here in minneapolis, trying to get some stuff worked out for using this n810 for it |
| 05:47.20 | dieman | want to do aprs stuff with it too |
| 05:49.49 | dieman | yeah, png might be a bit too much for edge service |
| 05:50.21 | dieman | heh, already sucked down a half meg :) |
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| 05:58.52 | pupnik | minneapolis rules! |
| 05:59.05 | pupnik | what's skywarn dieman ? |
| 05:59.17 | cizarro | it warns you if the sky is falling |
| 06:04.54 | dieman | gif may be the best format |
| 06:04.55 | dieman | it seems |
| 06:05.02 | dieman | they have svg, but it doesn't display right |
| 06:05.12 | dieman | anyhow, its likely the source image is not vector :) |
| 06:05.18 | r_ | Does anybody know where to put a *.vkb file in the scratchbox to test it on x86? |
| 06:06.02 | dieman | pupnik: http://www.weather.gov/skywarn/ |
| 06:06.12 | dieman | " SKYWARNā¢ is a volunteer program with nearly 280,000 trained severe weather spotters. These volunteers help keep their local communities safe by providing timely and accurate reports of severe weather to the National Weather Service." |
| 06:07.48 | dieman | speaking of crazy weather, its cold here |
| 06:08.15 | dieman | -13F outside |
| 06:08.47 | Tama^2 | how many degrees C is that? :P |
| 06:09.07 | dragorn | -25 or so |
| 06:09.17 | Tama^2 | brrrrrrr |
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| 06:10.46 | dieman | i forget the rest of the world |
| 06:10.55 | dieman | you dont use stupid measurements like we do :) |
| 06:12.04 | dragorn | oh good, i have a "you're f'd" icon up for weather |
| 06:12.23 | dragorn | oh. Wind alert. Pfft. |
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| 06:17.55 | pupnik_ | haha |
| 06:18.12 | pupnik_ | screenshots dieman :) |
| 06:21.17 | dieman | for the radar? |
| 06:21.20 | dieman | or the weather ? |
| 06:23.08 | dieman | anyhow, super happy that worked to a point |
| 06:23.23 | dieman | need to figure out the mapping code in maemo-mapper and figure out how to get it to refresh |
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| 06:38.04 | whooha | Hey I just got an n800 and i enabled ssh and i want to install e2fsprogs and some other stuff via apt, but when I try apt-get install i get E: Package xxxxxx has no installation candidate |
| 06:38.10 | whooha | for any pkg i try |
| 06:38.22 | whooha | any ideas? |
| 06:40.25 | pupnik_ | huhu |
| 06:40.29 | Tama^2 | missing repos? |
| 06:41.02 | pupnik_ | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php search this and find the repo you need |
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| 06:58.43 | pupnik_ | my favorite part about my system call and mp3 background player is that it currently doesn't get killed when exult exits |
| 06:58.46 | pupnik_ | so you're sitting there looking at the shell and listening to birds chirping.. |
| 06:59.29 | johnx | that's a feature, not a bug! |
| 07:02.04 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 07:02.34 | pupnik_ | i really enjoy it |
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| 07:15.45 | EruditeHermit | is there an update to the flash player that follows the update for flash on other platforms? |
| 07:18.25 | johnx | For the most part Nokia only does any software updates as part of a whole flashable firmware image every couple months |
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| 07:42.36 | Doni^ | morning folks |
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| 08:21.21 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg <<- me |
| 08:21.47 | johnx | sad :( |
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| 08:29.59 | |tbb| | morning all |
| 08:30.02 | pupnik_ | huhu |
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| 08:32.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:33.25 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: sup! what did I miss? :P |
| 08:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | The fact that I was about to go to bed. :P |
| 08:34.52 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:35.45 | rm_you | my life got really interesting in the past week or so :P |
| 08:35.51 | rm_you | though things are calming down now |
| 08:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | That's good. |
| 08:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing particularly exciting on this end. |
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| 08:47.37 | pupnik_ | may you live in interesting times |
| 08:47.48 | rm_you | heh |
| 08:47.56 | rm_you | too interesting >_> |
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| 08:49.11 | rocco | hey guys |
| 08:49.26 | rocco | anyone else notice a problem with osso_notes crashing at random points with a segfault? |
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| 08:52.26 | pupnik_ | nope |
| 08:58.23 | maddler | morning all |
| 08:58.35 | maddler | rocco: not here... |
| 08:59.00 | |tbb| | hey maddler |
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| 09:00.45 | michele | hm.. the frogpad would be a nice keyboard for the tablets :) |
| 09:01.07 | Tama^2 | frogpad? |
| 09:01.13 | michele | frogpad.com |
| 09:02.03 | pupnik_ | i'd like a harmonica stand for the 770 and a keyboard on my belt |
| 09:02.15 | pupnik_ | or better yet in a sweatshirt pocket |
| 09:03.03 | pupnik_ | or maybe velcro keyboard kneepads |
| 09:03.24 | Tama^2 | it's one of the worse websites I have seen in a while |
| 09:03.24 | maddler | michele: I just got an iGo |
| 09:03.26 | Tama^2 | >.< |
| 09:03.30 | maddler | michele: pretty nice... |
| 09:04.04 | michele | that's still pretty big when you open it |
| 09:04.16 | michele | and this can is made to be used one-handed |
| 09:04.21 | michele | s/can // |
| 09:04.46 | maddler | michele: I wonder how long would take to get familiar with it... ;) |
| 09:04.51 | maddler | no thanks... :) |
| 09:04.57 | michele | I'd like to try it |
| 09:05.07 | rocco | it;s getting really annoying |
| 09:05.13 | rocco | I'm not sure what to do about it |
| 09:05.21 | rocco | I'm just typing away and it segfaults |
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| 09:10.08 | michele | the nice thing is that, unlike all other chording keyboards, it is pretty obvious how it workds |
| 09:10.52 | Tama^2 | it is nice |
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| 09:10.52 | rocco | but is it useable? |
| 09:10.52 | rocco | ;) |
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| 09:11.44 | Tama^2 | as michele suggested it's probably more immediate then most chording kb |
| 09:11.58 | Tama^2 | dunno how long it would take for me to get used to it |
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| 09:12.04 | _collin_ | re |
| 09:12.28 | michele | too bad it's more than $100 |
| 09:12.42 | michele | not exactly a "let's try it" price |
| 09:13.14 | Tama^2 | I thought the same |
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| 09:17.44 | Tama^2 | This is so funny: http://www.frogpad.com/information/iFrogWearable.asp |
| 09:17.48 | Lynoure | frogpad.com wants to show me that same tiresome ad every page... |
| 09:18.16 | Tama^2 | ...and make the whole thing smell of amateur business ;) |
| 09:19.12 | michele | Tama^2: the funniest thing is the "make your own" link at the bottom |
| 09:19.23 | Tama^2 | exactly |
| 09:19.28 | Tama^2 | I opened it |
| 09:19.38 | Tama^2 | and they show you how to dremel the casing |
| 09:19.41 | Tama^2 | LOL |
| 09:19.58 | michele | ouch |
| 09:20.57 | Lynoure | The bluetooth one only exists in apple-white? |
| 09:21.38 | Tama^2 | yes apparently |
| 09:21.49 | Tama^2 | it's the iFrog U,u |
| 09:21.58 | Lynoure | ugh. |
| 09:22.03 | Tama^2 | _._ |
| 09:22.37 | Tama^2 | another hilarious thing is the face of the CEO popping up on the homepage |
| 09:22.59 | michele | http://www.half-qwerty.com/ |
| 09:23.06 | Tama^2 | last thing I am interested in when I buy a product is the face of the CEO |
| 09:23.09 | michele | this one is only $595 |
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| 09:24.23 | Tama^2 | it must have gold plated usb connectors, or is it an AT connector? ;) |
| 09:24.48 | michele | With its unique Hydra Cable, the Half-QWERTY Keyboard works with both PCs and Macs (including older ADB ("Beige") Macs). |
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| 09:27.39 | Tama^2 | LOL |
| 09:28.17 | Tama^2 | in other words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o'_nine_tails |
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| 09:30.38 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 09:35.52 | pupnik_ | huhu |
| 09:36.58 | pupnik_ | btw xmms mp3 playback doesn't suffer the volme/distortion (not quite as bad) problems as some other programs |
| 09:37.44 | pupnik_ | had it playing a library at full volume and i was amazed at how good the N810 speakers sounded now |
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| 09:38.50 | pupnik_ | by comparison the 770 never had any crackling/distortion problems |
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| 09:45.24 | rm_you | hrm |
| 09:46.00 | rm_you | any idea how i get a package into the repo? i thought garage had something to do with it, but now that i have a garage page, i'm not sure if i was right :/ |
| 09:47.02 | Doni^ | hmmm. this is really odd. |
| 09:47.18 | Doni^ | seems that my n810 does not survive being idle at all |
| 09:48.13 | pupnik_ | check the extras repo - there's a wiki page for submitting pkgs to extras |
| 09:48.16 | jkyro | oke |
| 09:48.23 | jkyro | whoops |
| 09:49.11 | Doni^ | keeping the unit idle for say 1hrs or so the keyboard is dead. i.e. closing and reopening the slider wont help. |
| 09:49.19 | Doni^ | usually after a while the device just reboots. |
| 09:49.28 | Doni^ | problem with watchdog ? |
| 09:52.12 | melmoth | rm_you: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html |
| 09:52.18 | rm_you | thanks |
| 09:52.23 | rm_you | the wiki wasn't agreeing with it |
| 09:52.29 | rm_you | keeps sending me to some Midgard page :/ |
| 09:59.35 | Jaffa | rm_you: poke Nokia into commenting in some way on my RFC to make it easier ;-) |
| 10:00.14 | rm_you | heh |
| 10:00.31 | rm_you | where did you post that? :P |
| 10:01.39 | pupnik | there, about 400 changes to a package i don't understand... |
| 10:01.49 | pupnik | now ... "make" :) |
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| 10:03.46 | tuxSlayer | Hi there! People! does everybody know why can't I access maemo wiki with my garage account? |
| 10:04.43 | tuxSlayer | Or maybe somebody will be so kind to give me some link to instructions on N800 to OS 2008 update? All i've found points to maemo wiki :-T |
| 10:04.47 | pupnik | i've had similar problems with accounts. contact maemo.org admin, or try with a new account |
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| 10:05.02 | pupnik | wb |tbb| |
| 10:05.30 | |tbb| | web irc sucks sometimes |
| 10:06.42 | tuxSlayer | heh... |
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| 10:06.48 | tuxSlayer | thanks in advice :-E |
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| 10:11.39 | tuxSlayer | The point is in message. when Im trying to login to wiki i see the message: you need the midgard:update priveleges... |
| 10:13.30 | rm_you | tuxSlayer: same |
| 10:13.31 | rm_you | isn |
| 10:13.36 | rm_you | isn't normally like that |
| 10:14.04 | tuxSlayer | pardon? |
| 10:16.18 | tuxSlayer | Im just trying to access more docs on maemo/Chinook. Maybe I should't go to wiki at all.. but I can't find some info in another places and google gives me links to old maemo wiki... |
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| 10:18.46 | pupnik | any N810 owners in Hessen, Germany please contact me (pupnik.de) for a sound playback comparison / test |
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| 10:23.20 | n0ob_ | pupnik: hey |
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| 10:30.47 | Blafasel | I still think about buying a USB charger to prolong the use.. |
| 10:31.38 | Tama^2 | speaking of power supply mods, I cannot find the slim power connector |
| 10:31.44 | proteous | did you check under the bed? |
| 10:31.57 | Tama^2 | not that I looked hard... but in the electronics store down the road they didn;t have it |
| 10:32.06 | Tama^2 | ahah |
| 10:32.29 | Tama^2 | even under the fridge, nothing ;`( |
| 10:32.37 | proteous | heh |
| 10:32.43 | _collin_ | pupnik: which city? |
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| 10:39.56 | LoCusF | flashblock-webaddon completely removed my flash support, even though I uninstalled it |
| 10:40.03 | pupnik | Tama^2: i managed to find the same connector from a trashed nokia charger |
| 10:40.12 | pupnik | _collin_: butzbach, about 50km north of FFM |
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| 10:41.37 | Blafasel | I can only offer cologne, which is not really that close ;) |
| 10:43.22 | pupnik | Blafasel: that'd be a nice trip though... maybe we can arrange it someday? |
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| 10:44.36 | Blafasel | Why not ;) |
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| 10:46.41 | pupnik | argh coding hurt brain |
| 10:49.22 | cizarro | pupnik, fixing borken ms dns/dhcp hurt brain more |
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| 11:00.12 | pupnik | i wish i could avoid rebuilding all these .Tpo and .Plos |
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| 11:00.28 | pupnik | i think .po has something to do with internationalization |
| 11:06.55 | maddler | pupnik: it has |
| 11:06.57 | maddler | :) |
| 11:07.30 | maddler | po files contain "translated strings" |
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| 11:29.52 | Addison | Pupnik! Any chance that you're still conscious right now? :o) |
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| 11:30.15 | pupnik | yah |
| 11:30.33 | Addison | What's up G Money Dog Nuts? How ya doin'?!??! :o) |
| 11:31.01 | pupnik | kickin ass and chewin gum |
| 11:31.08 | pupnik | .. and i'm all outta gum |
| 11:31.46 | Addison | Nice. I like the attitude. You must be one of those people that irons there shirts..... while still wearing them. |
| 11:32.21 | pupnik | heh |
| 11:32.24 | Addison | So what's going on with you lately? |
| 11:32.32 | pupnik | working on a new build of exult |
| 11:32.45 | Addison | The Ultima junk? |
| 11:32.46 | pupnik | the new n810 is very motivational |
| 11:32.48 | pupnik | ya |
| 11:33.35 | Addison | I found a couple of open source junk. Any chance you would look at them? |
| 11:33.48 | pupnik | it was sucking for 10 months and it is going to STOP SUCKING |
| 11:33.57 | pupnik | maybe |
| 11:34.36 | Addison | Who was sucking what, and do you have pictures? :o) |
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| 11:37.04 | Addison | Oh crap. You're not answering. Did I just say something stupid? |
| 11:38.01 | Addison | Well, anyway, this is three things I saw yesterday. Maybe you could take a quick peek at them. |
| 11:38.04 | Addison | http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/ss.shtml |
| 11:38.11 | Addison | http://jduplicate.sourceforge.net/screenshots_EN.html |
| 11:38.18 | Addison | https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=140564 |
| 11:38.23 | Addison | Go to it. :o) |
| 11:38.54 | pupnik | will check them out Addison |
| 11:39.08 | Addison | So how's live treating you pupnik? |
| 11:39.18 | Addison | life = live. Stupid brain. |
| 11:39.25 | pupnik | sigame.cc: In member function `virtual bool SI_Game::new_game(Vga_file&)': |
| 11:39.26 | pupnik | sigame.cc:1249: error: `gkeyboard' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 11:39.53 | Addison | Yeah, I think all of them need some type of keyboard stuff added. |
| 11:40.06 | pupnik | yep which is why i'm doing it, since nobody else is |
| 11:40.19 | Addison | Can I write a song about you? |
| 11:40.20 | pupnik | btw 'ja' frozen pizza is extremely good for the price! |
| 11:40.22 | pupnik | haha |
| 11:40.33 | Addison | I mean, that wouldn't cause any unnecessary weirdness right? |
| 11:40.51 | pupnik | you make music? |
| 11:41.11 | Addison | If you call banging pots and pans together. Yeah, I can make music! |
| 11:41.26 | pupnik | like Einstuerzende Neubauten? |
| 11:41.35 | Addison | Da? |
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| 11:42.17 | pupnik | I'd like to do a song with just pots and pans for percussion |
| 11:42.37 | Addison | Don't forget... You can never get enough cow bell into a song. |
| 11:42.41 | pupnik | hehe |
| 11:43.06 | pupnik | This has been on-hold project since 1991 ... "Kitchen Beat". With a song already written called "Willi, the shitting dog" |
| 11:43.24 | Addison | Sounds like an upbeat song. |
| 11:43.33 | Addison | Something I could dance to. |
| 11:43.35 | pupnik | She was a special dog |
| 11:44.17 | Addison | That was yours? You can write? |
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| 11:44.43 | pupnik | my music is on ~6 million cds :P |
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| 11:45.28 | pupnik | what's new with you Addison? |
| 11:46.02 | Addison | Just the same pathetic continuation of another day. :o) |
| 11:46.05 | Addison | How about you? |
| 11:51.31 | n0ob_ | re |
| 11:52.51 | Addison | Hey punik, you didn't squibbed on me did you? |
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| 11:54.30 | Addison | Crap, you left me pupnik. And I was in such a good mood. :o) |
| 11:57.41 | Addison | Well, it was almost nice chatting with you again Pupnik. Maybe we should do this again when you can't stay so long. :o) |
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| 12:01.04 | pupnik | ? |
| 12:01.25 | Addison | Sorry pupnik, I thought you left me hanging. |
| 12:01.45 | pupnik | doing fine |
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| 12:05.09 | Addison | Hows the love life treating you pupnik? |
| 12:06.26 | Addison | For me, it's treating me like a baby treats a diaper. :o) |
| 12:06.57 | lcuk | pupnik, i noticed you posted a remark last night from fanoush about updaterect. is there a related link which goes with this because it sounds like a reasonable approach for speed |
| 12:07.53 | pupnik | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo |
| 12:09.15 | lcuk | ahhh i remember reading that thread multiple times. its an interesting conversation |
| 12:09.20 | pupnik | yes |
| 12:09.43 | pupnik | it applies to all games, really |
| 12:10.20 | pupnik | Addison: no news in that department. Unless you know a great girl I should meet. |
| 12:10.21 | lcuk | yer it does and when i read it the first time i wondered why the heck it couldnt be pushed further, fan is right about small optimisations in the core adding up to a much better user experience |
| 12:10.24 | Addison | Okay, I just looked at that page and everyone is speaking in Sputnik. How is that interesting? |
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| 12:11.17 | lcuk | addison, the n8x0 has problems with graphics because its not running a fast graphics controller chip. there is a guy modifying mplayer to make the best out of it |
| 12:11.23 | Addison | I'll set you up pupnik? What do you like? Sleazy, easy, japaneasy? Just tell me and you'll have something at your door tomorrow morning. :ol) |
| 12:11.55 | pupnik | i'll settle for mentally stable |
| 12:12.02 | Addison | Can't do that. |
| 12:12.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 12:12.38 | lcuk | the modifications he is considering and ways he is going about it aren't being pushed by nokia because they arent seen as important, but to everyone wanting the best experience its of vital importance |
| 12:12.41 | Addison | The best I can give you, by tonight, is a hysterical old maid in constant menopause. Is that good for you? |
| 12:13.06 | pupnik | too offtopic atm Addison |
| 12:13.21 | Addison | Okay. Sorry. |
| 12:13.54 | pupnik | lcuk: it applies to programs that aren't really core apps |
| 12:15.04 | lcuk | yes, i know, but those none core apps all use core functions which are currently unoptimised. thats where the comment you made last night really comes into it - with a minor modification to the user program you gain the benefits of fanaush's experience and neatly sidestep nokia :) |
| 12:15.07 | Addison | Hey pup, what did you think about the open source junk for Scrabble I posted earlier? I take it that it's not quite your style? |
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| 12:15.58 | pupnik | i'll add them to my links page if they look doable, not adding any more projects at the moment |
| 12:16.23 | Addison | You should add everything.... you're a machine, remember? :o) |
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| 12:17.14 | Veggen | nuts. |
| 12:17.15 | lcuk | pup, is it you that released the aliens pixdbl test? |
| 12:17.30 | pupnik | Addison, my problem is starting too many things and not finishing enough |
| 12:17.33 | pupnik | lcuk: yes |
| 12:18.01 | Veggen | I just chose names for four new machines. And I regret my choice. We have japanese as name-standard, and today I was in a sushi mood, so I selected sushi-names. |
| 12:18.09 | lcuk | should it just compile on vmware scratchbox or are there other dependencies (or dont you know and i should just retest it later) |
| 12:18.37 | Veggen | But I regret my choice already. Because I'm already getting sushi-hungry ;) So every time I have to ssh to them, I'll suddenly become hungry ;) |
| 12:18.42 | pupnik | what happened when you built it lcuk |
| 12:19.00 | Addison | Sorry pup, didn't mean to place too many demands on you. I thought, for some reason, that you were from the future and could do anything. :o) |
| 12:19.48 | lcuk | it failed, not to worry now, i cant exactly rememberit was a couple of nights ago i will try again later i just wanted to know if there was anything glaring. |
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| 12:20.40 | pupnik | i might have left something in a bad state |
| 12:20.49 | lcuk | its ok, i was using it as a base project (its small enough) to see if i could compile things. |
| 12:20.55 | Addison | A bad state as in "mental confusion"? a bad state like "Michigan"? Sorry, I didn't get what you just said there. |
| 12:21.02 | pupnik | yes hold, i have it here |
| 12:22.06 | lcuk | dang, i cant even run it now to see. vnc into windows into vmware fails. the mouse pointer is way off target |
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| 12:22.40 | pupnik | yes i'm missing -lXsp in the configure script |
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| 12:23.53 | pupnik | lcuk try cp Makefile__FOR_XSP Makefile and then 'make' |
| 12:23.58 | lcuk | i gather you mean a ref to libXSP |
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| 12:24.42 | pupnik | i generally just ssh into the vmware guest OS |
| 12:24.45 | lcuk | ok pupnik i will do - ahhhh the default makefile doesnt include it and because i was trying to go down the line it was failing.. :D |
| 12:24.52 | pupnik | then i can minimize the vmware and save some cpu cycles |
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| 12:25.07 | pupnik | yeah sorry about that |
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| 12:25.47 | lcuk | i only have 1 port opened through this router for my vpn, im not even sure if the other machine ips are visible from it. ive always just vnced through the tunnel |
| 12:26.34 | lcuk | thanks for tip anyway pup, ill try it when im home later and see if i can get further. |
| 12:27.54 | Addison | Well, I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness right about now. I think it's best to go to sleep before I hurt myself. :o) |
| 12:27.55 | Addison | Have a good day everyone. |
| 12:28.03 | pupnik | ok cheers Addison |
| 12:28.04 | Addison | See you around pup. :o) |
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| 12:40.03 | vdepizzol | Hello. Who I can contact when my coupon code from Maemo Program isn't working? |
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| 12:44.24 | ustun | hi there, I have symlinks to ~/MyDocs/.[video, sounds, ...] to my external mmc |
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| 12:44.39 | ustun | but I have found that the battery is drained quickly. |
| 12:44.56 | ustun | has anyone experienced such an issue? might that be the reason ? |
| 12:45.12 | ustun | or can it be some other app like the rss-reader? |
| 12:45.30 | tank-man | i think it is some daemon or something cacheing something and it is going in loops |
| 12:45.32 | ustun | currently the battery lasts only about 1 day when the device is idle. |
| 12:46.48 | solmumaha | ustun: i believe metalayer-crawler doesn't like that |
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| 12:47.40 | ustun | solmumaha: right, I guessed so, because I once saw that hogging up the cpu. |
| 12:47.45 | solmumaha | and goes into a loop like tank-man said |
| 12:48.07 | ustun | then shouldn't I put any symlinks at all |
| 12:48.18 | ustun | or should I just leave the default .sounds etc |
| 12:48.24 | ustun | and can create other symlinks? |
| 12:49.27 | solmumaha | not sure you should symlink anything |
| 12:49.49 | ustun | solmumaha: OK, thanks. |
| 12:52.04 | solmumaha | if you don't use the media player you could try disabling the crawler i guess |
| 12:56.17 | Tak | morning |
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| 13:07.08 | |tbb| | morning tak |
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| 13:20.17 | pupnik | "If you don't think programmers are amazing, just try it!" - me |
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| 13:23.30 | Tak | If you don't think programmers are amazing, give me your street address and prepare to be surprised. |
| 13:24.57 | lcuk | whether or not you think programmers are amazing you should send money to my paypal account. you will miss us when we are gone ;) |
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| 13:27.03 | pupnik | Tak btw i can't mess with snes9x internals |
| 13:27.17 | pupnik | but maybe i can disable the final render and cout the fps |
| 13:27.17 | Tak | ok? |
| 13:27.23 | alterego_ | where's the xchat client for OS2008? |
| 13:27.34 | pupnik | so i can see how much time is spent with the final blit |
| 13:28.16 | michele | alterego_: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 13:28.28 | alterego_ | thanks |
| 13:29.31 | Tak | does anybody know if it's built with plugin support? |
| 13:30.06 | pupnik | from my reading though, the most time is spent in tile.cpp and ppu.cpp |
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| 13:31.17 | Tak | not terribly surprising |
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| 13:31.28 | lcuk | something just occured to me, people having constant battery drain issues install the "load-applet" thing. in order that it can get the stats of the system to show the cpu bar every second doesnt that wake up the device. could the thing we are using to check be actually causing a higher drain? |
| 13:31.33 | lcuk | or: who watches the watchers |
| 13:32.55 | johnx | :P |
| 13:34.25 | lcuk | it might not be specifically the program itself but the internal maemo icon update routine. it may not be enough to show high cpu usage but it might be holding it in the higher frequency than normal slow idle |
| 13:34.41 | lcuk | dont john, you will blow up |
| 13:34.51 | lcuk | its like using google cache to view the google home page |
| 13:34.53 | johnx | hey, whatever floats your boat :P |
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| 13:35.19 | ustun | lcuk: it might be :) and I, for one, have 2 load applets :) |
| 13:35.26 | lcuk | lol |
| 13:35.30 | johnx | it doesn't need to do that even |
| 13:36.08 | michele | LoCusF: lftp seems a good candidate for mud-builder |
| 13:36.14 | lcuk | it tcame to light when i was diagnosing a crappy windows system over here - task manager was itself taking up 10% cpu just to render itself |
| 13:36.53 | johnx | I would hope that load applet was smart enough to not draw when the screen was blanked...but I have no idea |
| 13:37.50 | lcuk | nor do i, its just a different way to think about it - it might not even be drawing thats the problem, but simply doing the work on a timer (rather than event based) |
| 13:38.54 | lcuk | is there anything i can run to record deep stats - i tried cataloging "top" a couple of weeks ago, but the resolution of my results was crap |
| 13:39.40 | jott | does powertop work on the n8x0? |
| 13:39.54 | lcuk | i wanna record as much as possible (even frequency and voltage if poss) |
| 13:40.49 | jott | hmm powertop needs some kernel flags enabled.. |
| 13:41.04 | johnx | yeah, I saw that too when I tried |
| 13:41.04 | jott | atleast it shows stats about the clock frequencies :) |
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| 13:41.18 | michele | lcuk: you can probably get those somewhere in /proc |
| 13:41.29 | lcuk | so to do it i would need a custom kernel? |
| 13:41.48 | ustun | sometimes I observe that my n800 screen is lighted periodically, possibly some applet causes it. |
| 13:41.53 | jott | lcuk: for a sophisticated analysis.. i would say: yes |
| 13:42.23 | lcuk | michele, i think they are available but was wondering if these kinds of stats are available as a pre-built program, i cant be the first one thats wanted to know whats happening on 8x0 when the screen turns dark :P |
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| 13:43.07 | jott | lcuk: you could also run oprofile |
| 13:43.30 | sKaBoy | or attach strace to a process and see if it does something |
| 13:43.56 | Tak | lcuk: when the screen turns dark, the universe ceases to exist |
| 13:44.45 | lcuk | lol according to johnx errrr google, oprofile needs a custom kernel but it also says there is a pre-built one including the flag |
| 13:44.59 | lcuk | is running a custom kernel risky? it sounds it |
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| 13:45.05 | johnx | I meant for powertop... |
| 13:45.12 | jott | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile |
| 13:45.13 | lcuk | or it is just like an alternative explorer.exe |
| 13:45.29 | johnx | lcuk, not terribly dangerous |
| 13:45.30 | jott | hmm reading it, it seems quite easy and safe to use a custom kernel |
| 13:45.35 | johnx | if it doesn't boot, flash the old one back |
| 13:45.56 | jott | johnx: you do not even need to flash the old back again :) |
| 13:46.12 | lcuk | i read in the docs for the flasher (from linux at least) that you can run a kernel without writing it to disk - once you reboot you carry on with riginal kernal |
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| 13:47.03 | jott | lcuk: yep.. i guess just building a kernel with all nice debugging flags enabled will help your analysis alot :) |
| 13:47.16 | johnx | that's pretty neat |
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| 13:48.16 | lcuk | jott, if i have to build my own kernel it will probably help with other things linuxy as well. it still feels a bit in at the deep end, but no more risky than my jedi cloak or lightsabre |
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| 13:49.09 | johnx | I think building your own kernel has historically seen the most analogies to building your own light saber |
| 13:49.14 | pupnik | wooo it compiled wooo |
| 13:49.47 | lcuk | johnx, i know - and i have fancy dress party on saturday which i am going as jedi :D |
| 13:49.52 | johnx | pupnik, then ship it! ship it before the bug reports! :D |
| 13:50.11 | johnx | lcuk, just as long as the other people are in costume as well :P |
| 13:50.22 | lcuk | :O johnx, you sound like the guy sat oppoiisite from me |
| 13:50.41 | Tak | lcuk: have you read the report which stated that people are something like 3x as promiscuous at fancy dress parties? |
| 13:50.56 | lcuk | yes |
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| 13:54.46 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 13:55.06 | johnx | mornin' |
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| 14:14.05 | michele | Asustek announces Eee family product lines ā http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080129PD216.html |
| 14:14.17 | pupnik | do any of you build in a ram drive? |
| 14:14.52 | pupnik | i'm thinking maybe 4GB of RAM and a ramdrive would speed up this rebuild cycle |
| 14:15.21 | michele | read speed is hardly the bottleneck when compiling |
| 14:15.28 | johnx | linux file caching is pretty good |
| 14:15.30 | michele | especially if you are compiling for arm |
| 14:15.33 | johnx | pupnik, do you use ccache? |
| 14:15.40 | fysa | yeah, ARM is the tough part I think? |
| 14:16.01 | pupnik | i had ccache disabled due to profiling issues, but i should reenable it |
| 14:16.45 | pupnik | export SBOX_USE_CCACHE=no or 'yes' |
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| 14:17.39 | johnx | michele, ccache = awesome if you rebuild stuff a lot |
| 14:18.20 | jott | yeah ccache is really nice. |
| 14:18.48 | michele | johnx: I haven't been building anything for years :) |
| 14:18.59 | michele | I'm spoiled by python and java incremental compilers |
| 14:21.50 | Blafasel | Hmm.. The program manager UI sucks quite a bit. What's the reason to refresh the whole list if you only looked at package details or pressed cancel in this "Install this software?" dialog? |
| 14:22.48 | Tama^2 | the reason is: makes the app easier to write |
| 14:22.52 | Tama^2 | ;) |
| 14:23.05 | Blafasel | Ah. I translate that to "lazy programmer" ;) |
| 14:23.51 | johnx | at least the application manager manages to save your place in the list in OS2008 |
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| 14:24.16 | Blafasel | Great. Uhm. Yay for progress? |
| 14:24.25 | Tama^2 | or programmer under pressure |
| 14:24.30 | michele | laziness is one of the three virtues of a programmer |
| 14:24.34 | Tama^2 | or frustrated programmer |
| 14:24.41 | Tama^2 | that is true |
| 14:24.49 | Blafasel | michele: Not with a result like this, though ;) |
| 14:25.14 | Tama^2 | laziness is what drive us all to achieve better abstractions ;) |
| 14:25.15 | michele | Blafasel: what if the alternative is not shipping the application? |
| 14:26.42 | Blafasel | michele: Are you talking about general stuff or this particular problem? |
| 14:27.03 | michele | both |
| 14:27.35 | michele | you know, I have experienced similar feelings |
| 14:27.50 | Blafasel | In general: Agreed. For this issue: Nope. No way that this issue (saving an expensive operation) was too hard to implement for different dialog results.. |
| 14:28.41 | Blafasel | Smells more like a case of not eating one's own dogfood (devs don't use it, stick with apt or something) or like 'boring task, finally done. Now to something more interesting...' |
| 14:32.01 | ustunozgur | sometimes I get the feeling that, when I click with the stylus, the point I actually click is the center of the mouse pointer; and therefore the point which is clicked is a few mm's above where I click. Has anyone experienced this? Or is it an issue with my screen protector? this issue is noticable especially when I do ssh -X |
| 14:32.38 | ustunozgur | but for other apps like microb, it performs better if I click the bottom of the links ! |
| 14:32.45 | ustunozgur | not on them |
| 14:32.54 | jott | ustunozgur: have you tried calibrating the screen? |
| 14:33.00 | Tama^2 | ustunozgur: have you tried calibrating the touch screen? |
| 14:33.13 | Tama^2 | a mind reader |
| 14:33.18 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 14:33.21 | ustunozgur | yes, but let me try once more :D |
| 14:33.29 | jott | Tama^2: no a mind seeder :P |
| 14:33.40 | Tama^2 | you stole my idea |
| 14:33.41 | ustunozgur | since you insist so much :) |
| 14:33.44 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 14:33.53 | Tama^2 | my great great idea |
| 14:33.59 | Tama^2 | I think I am off to patent it |
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| 14:34.18 | MoRpHeUz | anybody here have ever had problems regarding bora+python+dbus+dbus.glib.init_threads() ? |
| 14:34.28 | fysa | I own a patent on all great great ideas. |
| 14:34.41 | fysa | Th |
| 14:34.48 | fysa | you've infringed on my process. |
| 14:35.02 | Tak | I've patented the process of developing an idea. |
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| 14:35.26 | Tama^2 | I have patented the process of patenting |
| 14:35.29 | fysa | For any thanks you receive for spreading your great great idea, I demand 15% of that goodwill be sent my way. |
| 14:35.41 | Tama^2 | and the patent office |
| 14:36.00 | Tama^2 | I should try to patent God >.> |
| 14:36.01 | ustunozgur | I guess I have a right on that idea too, since I provoked it in the first place! |
| 14:36.22 | Tama^2 | I wonder if there is prior art there... mmmm |
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| 14:46.11 | matmo | http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-plugins/file/5f6650c03e1b/doc/README-maemo: anyone know if this info applies to chinook? I assume not because "libasound_module_ctl_dsp_ctl.so" is an actual lib, not a link. |
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| 14:51.34 | fysa | ooo colorful cmake |
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| 14:56.34 | hrw | morning |
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| 14:57.38 | johnx | mornin' |
| 14:57.56 | hrw | is there a way to switch os2008 application menu to look like it was in os2006? (not finger friendly one) |
| 14:59.11 | Tama^2 | not that I know of |
| 14:59.31 | hrw | ;( |
| 14:59.52 | hrw | with 6-7 apps it require scrolling ;( |
| 15:00.13 | johnx | and then the scroll arrows take up a whole slot... |
| 15:01.02 | hrw | exactly |
| 15:01.30 | mgedmin | so far I've kept it to under 7 apps in all groups, except for utilities |
| 15:02.12 | johnx | I replaced the categories then sorted until anything I used frequently I didn't need to scroll to reach |
| 15:03.02 | hrw | thats the solution too |
| 15:03.30 | solmumaha | hrw: got a newer tablet? |
| 15:03.30 | hrw | but first I need to reflash kernel as my own compilation reboots n810 instead of booting |
| 15:03.37 | hrw | solmumaha: I bought n810 |
| 15:03.55 | solmumaha | completely different beast ain't it? |
| 15:05.27 | hrw | solmumaha: compared to 770? hard to tell after one day |
| 15:06.01 | solmumaha | k |
| 15:06.14 | solmumaha | well try 770 after few days |
| 15:06.43 | hrw | solmumaha: 770 here works as mahjongg device only |
| 15:07.26 | hrw | n810 has some nice things but there is lot of space for improvements |
| 15:07.31 | solmumaha | hrw: did nokia buying trolltech had anything do with the purchase? |
| 15:07.47 | hrw | solmumaha: no |
| 15:08.03 | hrw | solmumaha: n810 is cheapest armv6 machine on market |
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| 15:08.24 | hrw | shit. |
| 15:09.13 | hrw | 2.6.21 from maemo (with nokia_2420_defconfig) does not want to boot |
| 15:09.37 | johnx | hrw, have you managed to make it show a console on framebuffer? |
| 15:10.03 | hrw | johnx: all I get is R&D screen and nothing more |
| 15:10.17 | Tama^2 | hrw, the n800 is cheaper |
| 15:10.19 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 15:10.46 | hrw | Tama^2: and lack HW keyboard |
| 15:11.07 | hrw | n810 keyboard is crap but exists |
| 15:11.20 | Tama^2 | but has less storage space |
| 15:11.31 | pupnik | crap compared to what? works great here |
| 15:11.38 | johnx | I recompiled a kernel trying to get framebuffer console but it didn't show up until something else refreshed the framebuffer :/ |
| 15:12.00 | hrw | pupnik: zaurus c7x0 |
| 15:12.28 | pupnik | what is better on the c7x0? |
| 15:12.35 | hrw | pupnik: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/11/keyboard-in-palmtops/ |
| 15:13.05 | hrw | pupnik: amount of keys, keys itself, padding between keys, layout of keyboard, size |
| 15:13.05 | jott | johnx: have you set CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=n ? |
| 15:13.07 | johnx | pupnik, I prefer the C3x00 style keyboard but what's better is: more keys :) |
| 15:13.18 | johnx | jott, no i haven't |
| 15:13.24 | johnx | thank you again! |
| 15:13.31 | johnx | that's 2 I owe you I think :) |
| 15:13.44 | jott | no problem |
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| 15:14.19 | pupnik | 1) horizontal space is more limited for key size 2) you can remap keys 3) key depth is limited due to slider |
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| 15:15.13 | hrw | pupnik: n810 also lack Tab key |
| 15:15.25 | pupnik | my n810 has a tab key :) |
| 15:15.45 | hrw | not to mention that os2008 still has bugs from os2005/2006 ;( |
| 15:15.56 | hrw | home_ap_app_menu |
| 15:15.58 | fysa | install KDE ;) |
| 15:16.06 | hrw | fysa: ;D |
| 15:21.06 | hrw | and I wonder which tablet hides under RX-48 code |
| 15:21.33 | hrw | SU-18 was 770, RX-34 was N800, RX-44 is N810 |
| 15:21.56 | johnx | maybe the one that will have wimax? |
| 15:22.24 | hrw | where I can read about that one? |
| 15:22.38 | johnx | not much to read yet |
| 15:23.12 | johnx | Nokia says it will be out "soon" but won't say what exactly hardware it's based on |
| 15:23.51 | hrw | right |
| 15:24.08 | johnx | so "first half of this year" |
| 15:24.09 | zuh | Maybe it's RealSoonNow(tm), like the discount codes |
| 15:24.39 | hrw | anyway they will not sell it here |
| 15:24.50 | jott | from the numbers it does not look like a big hardware changes.. (rx-44 vs. rx-48) |
| 15:25.31 | johnx | jott, so you think it will be based on the N800 or N810? |
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| 15:26.25 | hrw | jott: looking at how nokia use numbers it does not mean anything |
| 15:27.08 | hrw | jott: they often have 'nice phone' 'upgraded nice phone' 'lowend phone' 'nicer lowend phone' |
| 15:27.19 | fysa | maybe RX-44 means 44 months post-date it is released, meaning RX-48 would be released 4 months later ;) |
| 15:27.40 | johnx | I would still bet that it's the same chipset/mainboard as the N800/N810 |
| 15:27.52 | jott | me too |
| 15:27.54 | fysa | but with more memory (please nokia, just a touch) |
| 15:28.04 | johnx | but there's not a lot of spare room in an N810... |
| 15:28.46 | fysa | is there a lower nm version of that processor available? |
| 15:29.31 | hrw | johnx: 4 or 8GB of internal storage would be nice |
| 15:30.05 | johnx | I just wonder if the N810 has the spare room they need to fit the wimax chip+antenna(s) |
| 15:30.12 | fysa | maybe we should try to get distcc working in scratchbox.. |
| 15:30.18 | johnx | I'd rather have removable storage... |
| 15:30.38 | hrw | crapbox... argh |
| 15:30.48 | johnx | :) |
| 15:31.03 | fysa | boost is taking what seems like forever. |
| 15:31.05 | hrw | at least I do not have to use it ;D |
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| 15:31.24 | fysa | hrw: very easy to get setup with the new maemo-sdk installer .sh |
| 15:31.31 | fysa | on my ubuntu machine, anyway |
| 15:31.58 | hrw | fysa: I prefer to use normal crosscompilation |
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| 15:32.48 | Tak | boost does take for-fucking-ever |
| 15:33.12 | johnx | hrw, so, are you thinking of completely replacing the Nokia ITOS or just building additional apps in OE? |
| 15:33.48 | hrw | johnx: currently additional apps rather |
| 15:34.07 | hrw | johnx: mess called 'repositories' was hard enough with 770 |
| 15:34.27 | hrw | 'to install this app you need to add those 3 repositories and remove that one' |
| 15:34.37 | johnx | do you think it will be hard to deal with the names of packages being different in OE vs Nokia ITOS? |
| 15:34.53 | johnx | (libs and other dependencies) |
| 15:35.14 | hrw | johnx: we already solved that ;D |
| 15:35.34 | johnx | really?! |
| 15:35.42 | hrw | yep |
| 15:35.45 | johnx | that's what I miss for not paying attention to OE for a couple months |
| 15:35.52 | hrw | DISTRO="chinook-compat" |
| 15:36.01 | johnx | ah neat trick |
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| 15:36.47 | djtansey | I can't find anything definitive online. Is there a way to use the onboard camera with skype (I have a new n810) |
| 15:36.59 | vegai | anyone ported ghc to OS2007/2008 yet? |
| 15:37.14 | michele | so you can use OE to develop for maemo? |
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| 15:38.03 | hrw | michele: indeed. there are maybe some problems but they will be solved if someone notify us |
| 15:38.25 | michele | ok, I'll read something up then |
| 15:38.33 | michele | would that be better than sbox2 too? |
| 15:39.11 | hrw | michele: I neved used crapbox. I had enough when friends (which do lot of maemo stuff) curse at it |
| 15:39.36 | fysa | long-term, this OE solution is very appealing |
| 15:39.54 | fysa | especially when it comes to new maemo releases and such.. |
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| 15:40.25 | johnx | djtansey, not presently |
| 15:40.29 | michele | hrw: is there anything written about "OE for maemo users"? |
| 15:40.46 | hrw | michele: not yet |
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| 15:41.07 | hrw | michele: basically it is used by few OE devs which got or bought n810's |
| 15:41.09 | michele | just skimming the website OE looks similar to BSD's ports, am I right? |
| 15:41.14 | djtansey | johnx: thanks. is there anyway to chat using the camera? or any plans you know of to enable such a feature. because right now all i can do is take photos of myself. :) |
| 15:41.22 | hrw | michele: or gentoo portage |
| 15:41.51 | johnx | djtansey, gizmo |
| 15:42.27 | johnx | and I think google talk but only for tablet-to-tablet calls (IIRC) |
| 15:42.43 | fysa | aMSN |
| 15:42.58 | fysa | http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 |
| 15:42.59 | djtansey | johnx: thank you very much. time to familiarize myself with gizmo |
| 15:43.04 | fysa | works with MSN IM |
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| 15:43.51 | fysa | have not tried personally yet |
| 15:44.11 | djtansey | fysa: i've never used MSN. but i'll try it if gizmo doesn't work |
| 15:47.42 | michele | urgh... monotone... I think it is the last VCS I don't have |
| 15:48.17 | Tak | vcs-of-the-week is getting a little out of hand |
| 15:50.25 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:50.36 | hrw | I miss old bitkeeper days |
| 15:51.02 | Tak | "First, you need to exclone your monogit branch..." |
| 15:51.24 | mgedmin | oh, I know how to solve the problem -- invent a NEW, BETTER VCS and have everyone switch to it! |
| 15:51.44 | Tak | hooray! |
| 15:51.48 | mgedmin | (that's exactly what happens with python web frameworks, by the way) |
| 15:51.55 | johnx | nah, just have vcs devs fight to the death, thunderdome-style :) |
| 15:51.55 | michele | but this time let's use a serious language, let's to it in Arc! |
| 15:52.05 | Tak | didn't the two major python web frameworks just merge? |
| 15:52.06 | johnx | or sh! |
| 15:52.13 | johnx | or wait...I know! COBOL! |
| 15:55.09 | hrw | BASIC |
| 15:55.14 | hrw | only BASIC |
| 15:55.23 | johnx | nah, too complex |
| 15:55.27 | johnx | TI-BASIC |
| 15:55.36 | zoran | lisp |
| 15:56.35 | johnx | TI-BASIC, "26 variables out to be enough for anyone" or "Functions?! We don't need no stinking functions!" |
| 15:56.56 | zoran | lisp |
| 15:57.47 | hrw | johnx: basic did not have functions |
| 15:57.55 | djtansey | johnx: gizmo with video only works on maemo and on windows, it seems. does that mean a gizmo <4.0 install won't be able to see the video? |
| 15:58.32 | johnx | djtansey, probably |
| 15:58.49 | djtansey | johnx: i guessed as much. thanks for your help. |
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| 16:03.09 | johnx | anyways, I need to catch some sleep |
| 16:03.11 | johnx | 'night all |
| 16:03.23 | hrw | n8 johnx |
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| 16:03.44 | scibot | When downloading debian packages do I shoot for Arm or Armel? |
| 16:03.57 | pupnik | armel |
| 16:06.22 | pupnik | we could probably fairly easily do a sdl variant that supports 400x240 fullscreen with accelerated blits for RGB565 and double-buffering for the flip() function |
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| 16:06.34 | pupnik | getting a lot of tearing now in the exult with smooth walking |
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| 16:06.53 | fysa | with snes9x? |
| 16:06.59 | scibot | I'd like to have pygame have that capability too. |
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| 16:07.33 | scibot | To do pixel doubling, because right now no one knows how. =/ |
| 16:07.34 | pupnik | no, different project. i think snes9x is just too slow |
| 16:07.53 | Tak | scibot: can't you write a python native wrapper for libXsp? |
| 16:07.55 | fysa | ah |
| 16:08.04 | scibot | Tak, Beats me. |
| 16:09.00 | fysa | crazy kids |
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| 16:09.43 | scibot | Seriously though, if someone could work that out I'd love to do some games. |
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| 16:12.05 | linuxkrn | hey guys, some asstard managed to remotely hack my n810. I just found ssh connections outbound to an APNIC network. Anyone know of exploits going on for this? |
| 16:12.38 | zaheerm | linuxkrn, ouch |
| 16:12.39 | scibot | Congratulations. |
| 16:12.42 | Tak | did you change/set your passwords when you installed ssh? |
| 16:12.49 | linuxkrn | yep |
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| 16:13.00 | linuxkrn | and not some easy /common password either |
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| 16:13.13 | zaheerm | what's the default password for the user account? |
| 16:14.34 | linuxkrn | not sure, I changed them both |
| 16:14.44 | linuxkrn | not sure what the default was that is... |
| 16:15.25 | Tak | user didn't used to have a password iirc |
| 16:16.35 | linuxkrn | just tried with blank password and it didn't work |
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| 16:17.01 | Tak | no password != blank password |
| 16:17.25 | linuxkrn | I got a password prompt from ssh |
| 16:18.04 | linuxkrn | are there supposed to be files in /var/log? |
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| 16:21.13 | linuxkrn | and unless nokia resets the password, I logged in as root and changed "user" password |
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| 16:21.47 | Tak | did you change root's password? |
| 16:22.03 | linuxkrn | yes, of course, first thing I did when I installed ssh |
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| 16:26.54 | fysa | do you use the same password elsewhere on your network? |
| 16:27.04 | linuxkrn | nope |
| 16:27.47 | fysa | portscan your device IP.. |
| 16:28.18 | linuxkrn | I did, it only had one ssh connection out |
| 16:28.19 | fysa | check ssh/logs for access IPs that aren't yours.. |
| 16:28.30 | fysa | then grep everything on your network for that |
| 16:28.32 | linuxkrn | logs are empty on the nokia, but not sure if that's normal |
| 16:28.34 | Blafasel | Set PermitRootLogin to no |
| 16:29.04 | linuxkrn | I also checked router and saw only connections from remote->device on port 22 |
| 16:29.06 | Blafasel | Always |
| 16:30.11 | linuxkrn | no one answered my question, is the /var/log directory supposed to be empty? |
| 16:30.44 | cyndis_ | it's empty on my n810 |
| 16:31.17 | linuxkrn | hum, so no other logs to indicate how they got in... I only saw ssh and dns (53) listening |
| 16:31.49 | linuxkrn | not sure why 53 tcp is listening either |
| 16:31.55 | Blafasel | dnsmasq |
| 16:31.58 | Blafasel | But only on lo |
| 16:32.04 | Blafasel | iirc |
| 16:32.09 | linuxkrn | tcp 0 0 Nokia-N810-42-19:domain *:* LISTEN |
| 16:32.12 | linuxkrn | nope, it's all |
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| 16:32.42 | linuxkrn | ah, my bad, that's resolve to localhsot |
| 16:33.15 | linuxkrn | I get this too, "netstat: warning, got bogus unix line" about 100 times, is that normal? |
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| 16:35.00 | Blafasel | I get that as well |
| 16:35.53 | linuxkrn | not sure about you, but the fact someone can remotely hack this really bothers me, as I said, both root and user had passwords set (different) |
| 16:37.01 | Blafasel | How sure are you that it was hacked in the first place? |
| 16:37.21 | Blafasel | Since your assumption about DNS was wrong as well.. ;) |
| 16:37.30 | linuxkrn | I saw SSH connections OUT from the device to an APNIC network, and I wasn't doing it |
| 16:37.34 | Blafasel | And as I said before: Never ever allow root logins anyway. |
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| 16:38.23 | Blafasel | Installed crazy stuff that might do that? After all it could be software as well, dialing our for good or bad |
| 16:38.31 | linuxkrn | normally I don't, but you can't seem to get root easily on the n810 |
| 16:38.40 | Blafasel | Install becomeroot |
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| 16:38.46 | Blafasel | sudo gainroot - done ;) |
| 16:39.22 | Blafasel | Still sucks, because the "user" username is default as well. |
| 16:39.35 | linuxkrn | well when I looked, it seemed the connections were from "user" account |
| 16:39.58 | Blafasel | Okay.. So I doubt that someone gains root on your device but acts as user. |
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| 16:40.08 | Blafasel | Check the installed software. |
| 16:40.44 | linuxkrn | not saying they were root, but they got ssh connections out, and router confirmed one SMTP (spam I'd guess) connection as well |
| 16:41.42 | Blafasel | Let me check that again: The device was behind a router, in a NAT setup? |
| 16:42.21 | Blafasel | Really, no doubt the N810 can be hacked. But this seems a little bit awkward. |
| 16:42.31 | linuxkrn | no, direct IP (I have a static block) but could tell on the router that there was connections to the n810 |
| 16:43.02 | tank-man | don't run sshd then |
| 16:43.27 | linuxkrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.29 | sp3000 | did you ask lsof -i about what process owns the connections? |
| 16:43.41 | Tak | or restrict the IP block for tablet connections |
| 16:44.18 | coffee88 | Hi all. anyone familiar with inet streams as well as gtkTextBuffer? I'm trying to work out what I have to do (if anything) to translate to UTF-8 for the buffer? |
| 16:44.25 | coffee88 | if that's clear... probably not! |
| 16:44.52 | linuxkrn | no ip restrictions to ssh in, but as I said, I did have changed passwords. |
| 16:45.00 | Tak | coffee88: what format is the incoming text? ASCII? |
| 16:45.24 | linuxkrn | didn't do lsof, I ran netstat on the device, did a "who" and ps to check for rouge processes |
| 16:45.44 | coffee88 | Tak: I'll be writing my own server to serve it up... I'm still getting to grips with streams etc. |
| 16:45.48 | sKaBoy | linuxkrn, so you had a tentative of connection from internet to a public ip? what's strange? Or the connection was from the tablet? |
| 16:46.18 | linuxkrn | sKaBoy: both, I had outside in, and then inside out to same ip |
| 16:47.10 | linuxkrn | looked like, to me, an ssh exploit. But from what I could tell, no signs of any local exploits. |
| 16:47.11 | coffee88 | I'm trying to write a remote control type app to control micorcontroller through serial port on server for home automation... |
| 16:47.49 | coffee88 | A lot to learn! |
| 16:48.05 | Tak | so...ascii |
| 16:48.22 | coffee88 | would make it easier. much easier. |
| 16:48.36 | Tak | iirc you don't have to do anything special in that case |
| 16:49.13 | coffee88 | though translation is going to have to be done somewhere to get it to UTF-8 for the TextBuffer? Or will it take straight ascii anyway? |
| 16:49.53 | coffee88 | I should just get on and try it, I guess, rather than just thinking up potential problems... |
| 16:50.30 | fysa | if it was an ssh exploit, they would likely be on as root. |
| 16:50.32 | fysa | and not user. |
| 16:51.26 | michele | is there scite for os2008? |
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| 16:53.22 | michele | coffee88: it will take it. ascii (7-bit) is a subset of utf-8 |
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| 16:53.53 | fysa | not sure. I have geany compiling, which uses scintilla |
| 16:54.04 | coffee88 | michele: great. thanks. makes me think this might even be do-able with my current skill level! |
| 16:54.09 | fysa | will package it this weekendish |
| 16:54.58 | michele | geany? I'm a bit behind in text editors it seems... |
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| 16:55.14 | fysa | http://www.linuxsoft.cz/screenshot_img/11330-a.jpg |
| 16:55.50 | Dmitri | I have a n770 and want to be able to hook it up to an external HD to play my music while in the car (I have quite a few gigs) I have read about the cable modifications and such neccesary as well as the software patch. But I was wondering if there was an easier solution now that they have portable HDs that can operate in host mode |
| 16:55.55 | coffee88 | actually though, will chars passed though a INET socket be ascii? |
| 16:56.18 | michele | fysa: eh, but wouldn't a bare editor be more useful on an IT? |
| 16:56.24 | Dmitri | also I would like to find a solution other than a power inverter in my car to plug this external drive in, any ideas? |
| 16:56.51 | fysa | to some :) |
| 16:57.00 | michele | coffee88: they will be what you will make of them. a network connection moves bytes, it's up to you to send the correct ones |
| 16:57.20 | fysa | I can try scite also. they use the same engine, geany just has extra tab-type stuff. |
| 16:57.46 | fysa | and the cruft can be 'hidden' |
| 16:57.48 | michele | johnx: I am (also) a vim user, but I find it quite cumbersome on the tablet (no external kbd) |
| 16:58.16 | fysa | I just assumed scite was already around somewhere |
| 16:58.21 | matmo | Dmitri: 2G sd cards are pretty cheap and if your car stereo has a line then no need for HD, inverter, etc |
| 16:58.23 | michele | ops.. that was for jott |
| 16:58.25 | fysa | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/scite/ |
| 16:58.31 | matmo | (line-in) |
| 16:58.37 | fysa | who knows if that installs in os2008 |
| 16:58.53 | coffee88 | michele: But if I use something like n = write(newsockfd,"I got your message",18) ... I'm still confused about what encoding it will send... |
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| 16:59.34 | michele | coffee88: ascii |
| 16:59.42 | michele | coffee88: that's an ascii string |
| 16:59.52 | coffee88 | michele: great. thanks. |
| 17:00.02 | Dmitri | matmo: I unfortunately have been spoiled by my ipod which holds 80gbs I have about 60 on it. Also the 770 uses mmc cards unfortunately |
| 17:00.11 | coffee88 | i should stop trying to confuse myself. |
| 17:00.18 | michele | coffee88: read this, carefully http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html |
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| 17:00.27 | fysa | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/296/screenshot.jpg |
| 17:00.34 | fysa | you ever try that one, michele? |
| 17:00.41 | matmo | never had an ipod so never had that "problem", lol |
| 17:00.57 | michele | fysa: no, I didn't find it |
| 17:01.07 | matmo | re mmc, Ā£7 for 2G here in the UK |
| 17:01.10 | fysa | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=97&release_id=182 |
| 17:01.31 | fysa | let me know if that .deb doesn't work, I can try to recompile it.. hopefully they have patches somewhere hidden |
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| 17:03.31 | michele | coffee88: all C strings are ascii, unless *you* encode them |
| 17:04.19 | coffee88 | michele: great link. thanks. I *think* it's coming together in my brain a little more now. |
| 17:04.20 | michele | and characters outside of the ascii range are likely to come out messed on the other side |
| 17:04.21 | bmidgley | I see references to a kismet port but it's not in the repo... anyone know? |
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| 17:06.06 | coffee88 | as long as I can just send an ascii string, and plop that straight in a gtkTextBuffer, I'll be happy. :-) |
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| 17:09.27 | matmo | anyone porting apps had "operation not permitted" from ALSA? |
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| 17:25.06 | benno2 | hi all, do you know if one can change the roaming threshold of the wlan card can be changed ? I have a problem: 2 access points and when I move from the 1st to the 2nd the n800 only switches to the 2nd when the connection is very low and applications like vnc then lose the connection. any idea ? |
| 17:27.11 | benno2 | do you think I can change these parameters via /proc or pass them to the wlan module of the n800 ? |
| 17:27.44 | doc|home | benno2: there's information on the wiki about the wifi strength, not sure if it'll have that but it's worth a look |
| 17:28.10 | benno2 | doc|home: thanks where can i find the specific page ? any pointers ? |
| 17:28.25 | doc|home | benno2: sorry, don't have it handy. maemo.org's wiki |
| 17:28.39 | doc|home | I haven't done anything, just noticed it there |
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| 17:36.24 | benno2 | doc|home: thanks, btw is the n800 wilan driver open source ? just in case i need to change the roaming threshold and it is not supported to be changed via proc or module parameter |
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| 17:38.07 | benno2 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/iwconfig.html |
| 17:38.20 | fysa | no, I don't believe so benno |
| 17:38.32 | hrw | benno2: wifi driver is closed source |
| 17:38.45 | hrw | its same in all tablets - cx3110 |
| 17:38.55 | benno2 | sens Set the sensitivity threshold. ... On modern cards, this parameter usually control handover/roaming threshold, the lowest signal level for which the hardware remains associated with the current Access Point. |
| 17:39.10 | benno2 | For high density of Access Points, a higher threshold make sure the card is always associated with the best AP, for low density of APs, a lower threshold minimise the number of failed handoffs. |
| 17:39.18 | fysa | is it a module or in the kernel? |
| 17:39.29 | benno2 | this seems interesting ... i hope the nokia wifi module accepts the sens parameter in iwconfig |
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| 17:39.45 | benno2 | thanks for the infos fysa, hrw |
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| 17:40.56 | benno2 | I will try later, the only thing is whether I can set this parameter when the wifi link is already up |
| 17:43.43 | milhouse | anyone having problems running apt-get update against stock repositories? |
| 17:43.50 | milhouse | (OS 2008, N810) |
| 17:43.57 | hrw | milhouse: I did that few hours ago |
| 17:44.00 | milhouse | mine is just hanging |
| 17:44.13 | milhouse | on http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook Release.gpg |
| 17:45.15 | milhouse | very very slow response from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/dists |
| 17:45.35 | hrw | milhouse: if it is on same netlink as maemo.org it is normal |
| 17:45.38 | milhouse | yay... nokia server is bombing out again - got an error page now |
| 17:45.45 | milhouse | "An error occurred while processing your request. |
| 17:45.45 | milhouse | Reference #97.61a4f57.1201715120.6b9f6ed0 " |
| 17:46.01 | milhouse | there's trouble at mill |
| 17:46.33 | milhouse | I'm sure the klaxons and alarms are going at Maemo HQ so we can all rest easy, the servers are well monitored and looked after |
| 17:46.48 | milhouse | (sarcasm) |
| 17:46.48 | fysa | What's that, Lassie? Timmy (in IT) is in trouble?? |
| 17:46.55 | milhouse | lol |
| 17:47.12 | milhouse | Someone get Ferenc on the hotline! |
| 17:47.26 | milhouse | it's a one-man operation after all |
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| 17:48.13 | milhouse | by the way - the above error from the nokia server was a "Gateway Timeout" |
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| 18:15.51 | milhouse | looks like the upstream nokia server is now fixed... |
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| 18:18.53 | smackpotato | anyone a wizz with X11 |
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| 18:25.22 | lardman | evening all |
| 18:26.11 | lardman | Did maemo 2.1 use the later eabi? |
| 18:26.23 | lardman | or current eabi even |
| 18:27.44 | milhouse | nope, catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz is still stuffed up - getting MD5Sum mistmatch now. Way to go Nokia |
| 18:28.30 | lardman | yeah, I got an md5sum mismatch on libc6 source yesterday |
| 18:29.28 | Tak | 2.1 should have been the same eabi |
| 18:29.48 | lardman | Tak: Thanks, just looking for a toolchain with FORTRAN |
| 18:30.06 | lardman | Tak: which will still run on a Chinook system |
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| 18:33.00 | hostdog | Tak, using Xchat? :) |
| 18:33.31 | Tak | I'm not chatting from the 770; I'm using it to listen to music |
| 18:33.38 | lardman | anyone know what nvd_data does? |
| 18:33.40 | hostdog | oh oh |
| 18:33.41 | Tak | but yeah, I run xchat on it |
| 18:33.48 | hostdog | Tak, ++ :) |
| 18:33.53 | Tak | and xchat-ruby and a couple of homerolled scripts ;-) |
| 18:34.29 | hostdog | At last I found a great gadget in which I find good |
| 18:35.07 | hostdog | If only my neighbours were a little more wifi-powered ;) |
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| 18:43.50 | konttori | I just today tested out the usb host mode stuff on the n810. Really cool stuff. Just plugged in the keyboard and wham. it worked. no external power needed. Same for USB memory stick. Bam and it worked. Pretty cool. |
| 18:44.26 | Sargun | sexy |
| 18:44.29 | konttori | I'll try to blog about that stuff a bit tomorrow. |
| 18:44.52 | konttori | So, all I needed was one usb F-F standard adaptor and the cable coming with the device |
| 18:44.58 | hostdog | hey, btw |
| 18:44.58 | Blafasel | wham and bam sounds more like violent tries though ;) |
| 18:45.01 | konttori | should be really useful for all n800 owners |
| 18:45.16 | konttori | well, it was all surprisingly smooth. |
| 18:45.17 | hostdog | do you know if it exists a limit for Partitioning MicroSD memories ? |
| 18:45.19 | Lynoure | konttori: setting changes too? or no? |
| 18:45.26 | konttori | no settings needed |
| 18:45.36 | konttori | well, I did run 'go to usb host mode' script |
| 18:45.45 | Lynoure | cool, might save me from getting a EeePC |
| 18:45.59 | Lynoure | Did it exist, or did you write it? |
| 18:46.08 | konttori | It exists already |
| 18:46.19 | konttori | I might do some nicer version of it tomorrow though |
| 18:46.28 | Lynoure | Give url to the blog anyway? I don't want to miss it :) |
| 18:46.46 | smackpotato | whats with the wiki needing a password |
| 18:46.46 | konttori | Does 770 has usb host mode? |
| 18:46.47 | glass | bt kb's should work |
| 18:47.04 | konttori | yeah, but bt is bt (expensive) |
| 18:47.07 | glass | it has host but you need a special cable that provides power |
| 18:48.17 | hostdog | :/ |
| 18:49.21 | konttori | ah, 770 doesn't provide any power. ok i see |
| 18:49.56 | konttori | well, at least for me, any keyboard that doesn't have USB HUB worked (I tried 3, one with hub) |
| 18:50.19 | BugBlue | mmm |
| 18:50.39 | BugBlue | is there any nice way to sync data from a N810 with mac os X (I mean iCal or Addressbook)? |
| 18:51.00 | konttori | Lynoure: here's the blog url: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
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| 18:52.15 | Lynoure | konttori: how much faster does the battery drain? |
| 18:52.27 | konttori | no idea. probably not much |
| 18:52.40 | konttori | the current is tiny (that the device provides for usb) |
| 18:52.41 | fysa | BugBlue: GPE Calendar can sync with Google Calendar through some script. |
| 18:52.53 | fysa | BugBlue: Perhaps you can sync iCal with Google Calendar too? |
| 18:53.05 | hostdog | Tak, how long does your 770 battery last? |
| 18:53.20 | Tak | depends what I'm doing, really |
| 18:53.23 | glass | kb's dont eat much power |
| 18:53.26 | Tak | just playing music, several days |
| 18:53.36 | hostdog | Tak, :O |
| 18:53.47 | hostdog | Tak, w/o wifi, right? |
| 18:53.48 | Tak | constant chatting, coding, browsing, only a few hours |
| 18:54.06 | BugBlue | fysa: I don't want all my dates on google... |
| 18:54.21 | fysa | it's a private calendar. |
| 18:54.33 | fysa | have you used it before? |
| 18:54.42 | BugBlue | I use google calendar.. but still |
| 18:54.47 | BugBlue | let's give it a try somehow |
| 18:54.59 | BugBlue | I have gpe installed .. |
| 18:55.05 | Tak | Dates syncs with gcal as well |
| 18:55.26 | BugBlue | http://www.spanningsync.com/ ... |
| 18:56.13 | hostdog | Which huge differencies exists between 770s and 8xx? |
| 18:56.15 | fysa | http://blog.locationist.net/2008/01/18/gpe-calendar-erminig-google-calendar-installation/ http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=48&task=listcat&catid=2 |
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| 18:57.13 | BugBlue | fysa: the first is already bookmarked here. |
| 18:57.14 | BugBlue | ... |
| 18:57.32 | smackpotato | how long have you needed a pasword for maemo wiki or is it just a bug |
| 18:57.39 | Tak | n8?? have faster cpu, more ram, and sd or minisd card slots |
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| 18:59.24 | hostdog | Tak, do you know which CPU has N8xx's ? |
| 19:00.46 | BugBlue | mmm how does Erminig do vcal? |
| 19:01.01 | BugBlue | (didn't have to look at the source) |
| 19:03.07 | BugBlue | mmm one time import should be sufficient |
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| 19:04.02 | smackpotato | the screen is nicer on the810 |
| 19:04.28 | Tak | oh yes, and the n810 has a keyboard |
| 19:13.02 | hostdog | oh |
| 19:13.04 | hostdog | :/ |
| 19:13.31 | hostdog | I thought It would be easier to get a bluetooth keyboard |
| 19:13.42 | Tak | it may be |
| 19:13.57 | hostdog | but, It costs about half the price of the maemo I've |
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| 19:20.20 | BugBlue | oke importing ics files in GPE calendar works |
| 19:21.39 | BugBlue | hostdog: a bluetooth keyboard and mouse costed be about 80 euro's (but that was a bundle with a new overpriced computer called Apple MacMini) |
| 19:22.00 | BugBlue | (that's 118.16US$) |
| 19:22.35 | hostdog | OMG! |
| 19:22.49 | hostdog | BugBlue, I payed about 200 for the whole gadget |
| 19:23.10 | hostdog | 120 u$s for it's really much more than I can pay for it |
| 19:24.11 | glass | hostdog: thats only a problem if customs are a bitch |
| 19:24.22 | lardman | I keep getting configure errors: as: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:24.25 | lardman | anyone seen this? |
| 19:24.52 | hostdog | glass, I don't get pay into dollars |
| 19:25.04 | lardman | presumably I need an extra L |
| 19:25.10 | lardman | "-L" |
| 19:25.22 | hostdog | I have to convert my local money to dollars, and the exchange costs me 4times |
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| 19:25.45 | Blafasel | Hmm.. For the EU the dollar is quite nice/weak ;) |
| 19:25.58 | hostdog | Yes :/ |
| 19:26.23 | hostdog | I think it's life rules :) |
| 19:26.33 | hostdog | s/think/guess/ |
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| 19:31.13 | Dmitri | can someone post me a link to one of the tutorials on getting a usb hard drive enclosure working with the n770? All I seem to be able to find now is n800 instructions |
| 19:32.08 | hostdog | OMG, is that posible? :O |
| 19:32.37 | Dmitri | hostdog: yea, its a fair bit of work though |
| 19:32.40 | hostdog | Dmitri, I'm not sure if the n770 usb can power on the hdd :/ |
| 19:32.52 | hostdog | Dmitri, I see |
| 19:33.03 | Dmitri | hostdog: it can't you have to provide external power |
| 19:33.07 | hostdog | Well, not doing them, just watching them :) |
| 19:33.19 | hostdog | Dmitri, oh, that may work |
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| 19:41.09 | smackpotato | where can i find gainroot script for the n810 |
| 19:41.34 | hostdog | smackpotato, It's likely to be the same as n770 |
| 19:42.24 | smackpotato | cool |
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| 20:11.14 | gerrymoth | Trying to irc using my n800 builtin chat. Has it worked? |
| 20:12.51 | |tbb| | gerrymoth: yeah you need rtfcomm beta installed then iirc |
| 20:13.14 | Tak | heh, if I understand correctly, gerrymoth has already installed rtfcomm-beta and is currently IRCing from it |
| 20:13.36 | s1d | i hear you like mudkipz Tak |
| 20:13.36 | |tbb| | ah k ;) |
| 20:13.44 | gerrymoth | Thanks its working. Have rtcomm and update2 |
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| 20:14.25 | Tak | sorry, I only speak english |
| 20:16.57 | gerrymoth | I've been looking for a app to edit screenshots to basically hide some things and the post to my wordpress blog. Anyone suggest anything? |
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| 20:29.53 | Dmitri | can someone post me a link to one of the tutorials on getting a usb hard drive enclosure working with the n770? All I seem to be able to find now is n800 instructions |
| 20:30.44 | Dmitri | I understand that n8x0/2008 have made things a lot easier, but I don't have the funds for a new tablet right now... |
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| 20:44.39 | ds3 | wow 8G microSDHC cards are steep |
| 20:45.55 | bmidgley | johnx: all a2dp optimizations are in bluez-utils head now |
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| 20:46.15 | cbx33 | hey people |
| 20:46.22 | ds3 | bmidgley: are you refering to the stuff that was recently posted on the bluez-list? |
| 20:46.25 | cbx33 | how stable is abiword for the n800 |
| 20:47.02 | bmidgley | ds3 yes |
| 20:47.02 | cbx33 | for some reason osso_notes segfaults on my n810 |
| 20:47.20 | cbx33 | not sure why |
| 20:47.28 | ds3 | cool, didn't seem clear if it was going to be accepted or not |
| 20:48.23 | bmidgley | it's good... Marcel's picking at it revealed a cleaner solution that is faster as well |
| 20:48.59 | ds3 | it is all part of libsbc, isn't it? |
| 20:49.55 | bmidgley | the standalone libsbc is on life support only... this is the copy of the sbc codec inside bluez-utils |
| 20:50.46 | ds3 | oh |
| 20:51.03 | ds3 | is that true of the plugz package? |
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| 20:57.25 | Tama^2 | Hello |
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| 21:04.22 | lardman | hmm, not impressed my computer keeps locking up |
| 21:05.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. |
| 21:07.19 | lardman | yeah, perhaps that's what disagrees with it? |
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| 21:16.29 | nwidger | hello, does anyone know how i have to set the audio preferences so that sounds from skype are heard but not the system sounds, like when you minimize a window? |
| 21:18.26 | Tama^2 | in OS2008? |
| 21:18.51 | nwidger | yeah |
| 21:18.58 | lcuk | just a wild assed guess, but have you looked at the sound options in control panel? |
| 21:19.09 | nwidger | lcuk: gah |
| 21:19.22 | nwidger | lcuk: the settings are pretty ambiguous |
| 21:19.31 | Tama^2 | in the sound options you can select a level for user interaction generated sounds |
| 21:19.47 | nwidger | lcuk: are the skype sounds "system sounds" |
| 21:19.57 | Tama^2 | no they are not |
| 21:20.14 | nwidger | Tama^2: so if i just turn everything off in the control panel i should still hear skype sounds? |
| 21:20.39 | Tama^2 | not sure about the 'everything' |
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| 21:20.52 | Tama^2 | there are three categories of sounds |
| 21:21.01 | nwidger | Tama^2: well skype surely isnt 'key sounds' or 'touch screen sounds' |
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| 21:21.16 | Tama^2 | fine what is the third? |
| 21:21.23 | ion_cu_vaca | hi |
| 21:21.23 | Tama^2 | (do not have the device with me) |
| 21:22.11 | ion_cu_vaca | I'm trying to install dosbox on OS2008. does anyone know how to get the keyboard working? |
| 21:23.04 | keesj | Tama^2: my feeling is that every sound source has it's own sound level + the overall level(the last one might be hardware) and the rest esd stuff |
| 21:23.16 | lcuk | "System Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2" "Key Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2" "Touch Screen Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2" "Master Volume: Slider" with master volume fully on, and system/key/touchscreen all off i can still hear it when applications do thing |
| 21:23.30 | nwidger | lcuk: cool, thanks :) |
| 21:23.41 | mzlplx | #topic |
| 21:24.12 | nwidger | one other question: is there any timeplan for when the integrated aim support will come out of beta? |
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| 21:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | nwidger, afaik, Skype doesn't fall under any of those headings. |
| 21:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | nwidger, probably the next firmware update, but that's pure conjecture. |
| 21:24.58 | nwidger | GeneralAntilles: hmmm, ok. cool |
| 21:26.44 | lcuk | would you email some warmth to me ? |
| 21:26.59 | lardman | Any scratchbox gurus about? |
| 21:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | My thermal digitizer is broken, sorry. |
| 21:27.43 | Blafasel | Why? |
| 21:27.53 | Blafasel | Send him the (in)famous shell bomb |
| 21:27.53 | lardman | I'm trying to build Octave 3.0.0 and part wat through configure it fails. Looking at config.log it's due to this: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:28.09 | Blafasel | And tell him to put his feet on the machine ;) |
| 21:28.10 | lardman | The file exists, but now nothing will run, always producing the same error message |
| 21:29.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, go open a copy of CINEBENCH or something. |
| 21:29.48 | lcuk | on my maemo? :P |
| 21:29.57 | hrw|gone | lardman: use OE to build octave for maemo |
| 21:30.13 | Blafasel | Only if you want to feel hot because of the bursting flames that come out of your ex-toy |
| 21:30.35 | lardman | hrw|gone: will that work? |
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| 21:31.18 | hrw|gone | lardman: DISTRO="chinook-compat" makes it work (use same toolchain as maemo) |
| 21:31.34 | lardman | ah, good stuff :) |
| 21:31.35 | hrw|gone | or nearly same as we build it not fetch binaries |
| 21:31.45 | lardman | thanks hrw |
| 21:31.54 | hrw|gone | lardman: np |
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| 21:32.19 | keesj | hrw|gone: really? |
| 21:32.27 | hrw|gone | lardman: I know that you are familiar with OE so I do not want you to get hairs off due to fighting with crapbox |
| 21:32.56 | hrw | keesj: really |
| 21:33.11 | lardman | hrw|gone: lol, scratchbox normally works, seems there's something screwing it up in this configure script |
| 21:33.37 | dhd | lardman: thanks for the pointer to the vorbis code, I will look at it soon |
| 21:33.44 | lardman | hrw: I've seen it before iirc, just got to remember what it was (back when developing for the Zaurus) |
| 21:33.47 | lardman | dhd: np |
| 21:34.15 | lardman | dhd: If you have any comments/patches/etc then they will be gladly accepted; I'm pretty busy atm |
| 21:34.17 | keesj | nice |
| 21:34.19 | bmidgley | ds3 plugz is history--don't use it |
| 21:36.12 | hrw | lardman: I wonder does "os2006-compat" would be able to be done so I will build few apps for 770 |
| 21:36.16 | hrw | s/apps/games ;D |
| 21:36.43 | Tak | upgrade to 2007he already |
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| 21:37.10 | hrw | Tak: and lose battery life |
| 21:37.10 | lardman | hrw: Different version of libc mainly |
| 21:37.22 | hrw | lardman: I know |
| 21:37.23 | Tak | lose? |
| 21:37.27 | hrw | Tak: yes |
| 21:37.29 | Tak | I haven't lost any battery life... |
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| 21:37.41 | lardman | hrw: Good news that OE can now be used :) |
| 21:37.42 | hrw | Tak: I had 2007he on 770 and 2-4h and it was dead |
| 21:38.01 | hrw | Tak: not to mention lot of 'memory just get out' |
| 21:38.26 | Tak | yeah, I did add extra swap to mine, although it's generally ok if I don't install python |
| 21:38.41 | hrw | Tak: I still have only 64MB rs-mmc card |
| 21:39.11 | |tbb| | apropos battery-life : will a ssh-server while wlan0 isnt connected to any ap eat battery power, much? |
| 21:39.26 | Tak | |tbb|: mine doesn't seem to do so |
| 21:40.01 | glass | i don't see why it would |
| 21:40.13 | glass | it's not polling anything or something like that afaik |
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| 21:42.34 | |tbb| | good to know |
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| 21:43.52 | lardman_ | ~lart my Linux box |
| 21:43.52 | infobot | plops my Linux box into a giant vat of herring |
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| 21:49.13 | ion_cu_vaca | so, nobody knows how to install xkbd on OS2008? |
| 21:50.04 | lardman_ | you got a .deb for it? |
| 21:50.49 | ion_cu_vaca | yeah, but i think the deb is for prev os. i got install file corrupt, or something like that |
| 21:51.41 | lardman_ | corrupt may be just that, if it's from os2007 it ought to complain about missing deps if anything |
| 21:51.48 | lardman_ | otoh it may just work |
| 21:52.05 | lardman_ | My Octave build from maemo 2.1 works on os2008 |
| 21:54.44 | hrw | lardman: cause octave is shell application |
| 21:55.24 | lardman_ | indeed, but xkbd may work if the xlibs are backwards compat |
| 21:57.14 | lardman_ | hrw: Are the OR.mtn snapshots broken? |
| 21:57.20 | lardman_ | s/OR/OE |
| 21:57.27 | ion_cu_vaca | i'll try again |
| 21:57.34 | lardman_ | mtn: misuse: layout of database /home/simon/development/OE/OE.mtn doesn't match this version of monotone |
| 21:58.45 | hrw | lardman_: no idea - I do not use them. maybe you fetched snapshot of too new version for your monotone |
| 21:59.06 | lardman_ | ah, could be it, notes still say 0.32 |
| 21:59.10 | lardman_ | I'll update |
| 21:59.38 | hrw | iirc we have snapshot for 0.32 |
| 21:59.49 | hrw | lardman_: look into /snapshots/ dir |
| 21:59.55 | lardman_ | hmm, seems to have 0 size |
| 22:01.14 | hrw | lardman_: please mail OE ML about it |
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| 22:01.38 | hrw | lardman_: you can upgrade monotone or fetch 0.31 snapshot and 'db migrate' it |
| 22:01.44 | hrw | lardman_: I suggest newer monotone |
| 22:02.06 | lardman_ | yeah, my version of Mandrake is so old it lists 0.28 as current |
| 22:02.22 | Blafasel | Is it evil to mix apt-get with the package management tool? |
| 22:02.51 | lcuk | i thought package management tool was just a front end to apt |
| 22:03.04 | lardman_ | finally :) |
| 22:03.07 | hrw | Blafasel: it is not evil |
| 22:03.16 | hrw | Blafasel: and apt-get works much better ;d |
| 22:03.37 | lcuk | command line version gets you where you want to go quickly without holding hands |
| 22:04.17 | Blafasel | Yeah, I ask because some websites warn that you shouldn't mix aptitude and apt-get, apparently. |
| 22:04.23 | hrw | lcuk: good luck with upgrading 'map' package then |
| 22:04.25 | Blafasel | And I wondered if this was a similar case. |
| 22:04.39 | hrw | Blafasel: aptitude<>apt-get is simple reason |
| 22:05.04 | hrw | Blafasel: aptitude does logging and track autoinstalled stuff. apt-get removes autoinstalled infos |
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| 22:05.14 | Blafasel | hrw: So what. I didn't know if "package manager" was a different cow again |
| 22:05.56 | Reinard | hey, does someone know some good program to stream part of desktop online? |
| 22:06.19 | Reinard | vlc would be great but it only streams whole desktop |
| 22:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | VNC you mean? |
| 22:07.30 | ds3 | is there a nice port of a vnc viewer? (nice as in supporting the full screen/zoom keys) |
| 22:07.51 | Reinard | no, i mean vlc with 0.8.6>'s capture possibilities |
| 22:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | Part of the desktop? |
| 22:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | What? |
| 22:08.17 | |tbb| | Blafasel: have you checked mce.ini? |
| 22:08.20 | Reinard | vlc screen:// |
| 22:08.56 | Reinard | i have resolution of 1920x1200 in my pc.. i want to stream 400x240 piece of top corner online |
| 22:09.06 | Blafasel | |tbb|: Yep, thanks! Still looking for NJoy color format docs. Maybe a better-than-hello-world app for me would include a PatternEditor |
| 22:09.25 | Reinard | i tried camtasia with vlc, but it didn't work |
| 22:09.25 | |tbb| | would be nice |
| 22:09.25 | lcuk | reinard, that would suck if a window was offscreen |
| 22:09.57 | Reinard | well yes, but still |
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| 22:11.05 | lcuk | if its linux desktop cant you start a new x session just for sending remotley, but set that up at resolution required? |
| 22:11.27 | hrw | bye all |
| 22:11.40 | Reinard | i have windows vista (which sucks) |
| 22:12.08 | Reinard | i think i'll still try to setup my resolution 400x240, hope it works |
| 22:12.15 | lcuk | how about getting a recent version of VNC which has server side scaling (only sends small amount of screen?) |
| 22:12.43 | Reinard | well i could try that |
| 22:12.47 | lcuk | or hack the source for vnc/vlc to grab/send only a small portion |
| 22:13.06 | lcuk | but i doubt it would be really useful |
| 22:13.28 | lcuk | i wonder if vnc session could be made to change scaling factor based upon +- buttons on 8x0 |
| 22:14.04 | lcdd | being a streaming software vlc probably has filters for cropping and scaling |
| 22:14.53 | lcuk | does vlc let you interact with desktop that its sending? |
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| 22:14.57 | lardman_ | aaargh |
| 22:15.01 | lardman_ | bloody computer! |
| 22:15.28 | Reinard | by the way, why does my mplayer in maemo scale stream (400x240) to 400x250 before playing, then it doesn't even display it in full screen, but leaves black bars top and bottom... so the image is too flat |
| 22:15.35 | lcuk | lardman_ you need to install a superior version of the kernel - the windows vista one looks good ;) |
| 22:16.08 | Reinard | yes i think vlc should have all the settings, i'll try to discover those |
| 22:16.23 | lardman_ | lcuk: strangely WinXP seems to work ;) |
| 22:16.34 | lardman_ | lcuk: Shame Mandrake doesn't. Grr! |
| 22:17.32 | lcuk | oooer what have you done to it |
| 22:18.00 | lardman_ | it's either not happy with the sound system, or with the graphics cards |
| 22:18.33 | lcuk | recent problem or have you been nursing it for a while |
| 22:18.43 | ustunozgur | Reinard: vlc -H --advanced :) |
| 22:19.10 | ustunozgur | 1617 lines |
| 22:19.17 | lardman_ | lcuk: been a while, but normally only happens from time to time |
| 22:20.08 | lcuk | apart from tonight... |
| 22:20.25 | lardman_ | yep, when I've got loads of windows open and doing lots of things, it strikes! |
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| 22:20.55 | lardman_ | I should fix it, can't believe the power switch is good for the system, but been busy |
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| 22:42.07 | ds3 | the headphones that come w/the N800 aren't half bad |
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| 22:42.50 | hachi | I'm having a problem here with modest |
| 22:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, right, they're all bad. :P |
| 22:43.13 | hachi | anytime I'm not in range of a network it causes the icd window to open |
| 22:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | Have you updated? |
| 22:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | I think there was an update about a week ago that fixed that. |
| 22:43.34 | hachi | twice, since the problem started |
| 22:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe not, then. |
| 22:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno. |
| 22:43.44 | hachi | I've been checking every few hours |
| 22:43.53 | hachi | okay, more like 8 |
| 22:44.22 | maddler | hey all... |
| 22:44.31 | maddler | hi GeneralAntilles |
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| 22:44.42 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 22:45.34 | hachi | also, maemo extras has been throwing a gzip error for about a week now |
| 22:45.39 | hachi | when I try to do an apt-get update |
| 22:46.01 | hachi | I've tried flushing the lists files too, is anyone else having this problem? |
| 22:47.12 | hachi | and I think that's causing my 'check for updates' window to say "operation failed" every single time I open it |
| 22:47.21 | hachi | but I still get updates for modest and pidgin |
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| 22:48.14 | lardman_ | hachi: look at the log |
| 22:48.32 | lardman_ | Tools menu iirc |
| 22:48.35 | hachi | what log? I'm running atp-get update manually |
| 22:48.42 | hachi | so that I can see the real errors |
| 22:48.53 | hachi | gzip is failing on maemo extras, like I already said |
| 22:49.01 | lardman_ | ah, my apologies |
| 22:50.08 | hachi | oop, new error now |
| 22:50.32 | hachi | wait no, same one... Err http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release |
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| 22:54.05 | GNUtoN810 | Hi |
| 22:54.06 | lardman_ | hrw: it's taken this long, but I've finally issued a "bitbake octave" :) |
| 22:54.49 | GNUtoN810 | What's the best irc client for maemoƬ |
| 22:54.53 | GNUtoN810 | ? |
| 22:54.55 | hachi | gzip seems to be hung on repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages |
| 22:56.11 | hachi | this is looking like that same hang bug that apt has had for like... 3 years now |
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| 22:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | xchat, GNUtoN810. |
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| 23:04.31 | maddler | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOOO MEEEEEEEEEEE! :d |
| 23:04.38 | johnx | w00! |
| 23:05.32 | lardman_ | happy birthday maddler |
| 23:05.35 | GNUtoN810 | Happy birtday maddler! |
| 23:05.40 | lardman_ | how old are you? |
| 23:05.43 | GNUtoN810 | :) |
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| 23:07.20 | dphil9000 | chinook is not a production distro? |
| 23:07.46 | lardman_ | flash images produced using it are installed on production machines |
| 23:08.23 | dphil9000 | if i add a chinook repository to the catalog it doesn't list any new apps |
| 23:08.37 | maddler | :D |
| 23:09.04 | lardman_ | dphil9000: which repo are you adding? extras? |
| 23:09.04 | johnx | dphil9000, in application manager? |
| 23:09.16 | maddler | lardman_: 36 :) |
| 23:09.18 | maddler | getting older :D |
| 23:09.18 | lardman_ | dphil9000: if not extras, you need to enable red pill mode to see the contents |
| 23:09.24 | lardman_ | :) |
| 23:09.37 | lardman_ | but you're still happy, so can't all be bad |
| 23:09.46 | dphil9000 | just called Maemo chinook. it has the app i need, udhcpc |
| 23:10.12 | dphil9000 | should have listened to morpheus ... |
| 23:10.27 | lardman_ | red pill mode |
| 23:10.39 | johnx | or apt-get from the command line |
| 23:10.41 | dphil9000 | ok, i saw the howto somewhere |
| 23:10.50 | dphil9000 | apt-get would be excellect |
| 23:11.07 | timelyx | hachi: if you don't mind a stale repository, i have one |
| 23:12.20 | hachi | I don't seem to be having the problem you think I am |
| 23:12.27 | johnx | dphil9000, I think the tablet comes with udhcpc ... |
| 23:12.49 | Blafasel | grats, maddler |
| 23:13.02 | lardman_ | dphil9000: yeah, see the output of ps |
| 23:13.45 | dphil9000 | that's what apt-get just said, latest version installed. maybe it's not in my path |
| 23:13.57 | lardman_ | prob need to be root |
| 23:14.01 | maddler | Blafasel: thank you! |
| 23:15.30 | dphil9000 | cool, works as root |
| 23:15.41 | dphil9000 | should have figured that |
| 23:16.30 | dphil9000 | one step closer to bluetooth pan |
| 23:17.20 | ds3 | the built in media player's UI sure gets sluggish playing music :( |
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| 23:23.06 | dphil9000 | bnep0 is up, need to get it an ip address |
| 23:23.49 | dphil9000 | either install dhcpd on the laptop or set it as static |
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| 23:31.43 | _collin_ | he |
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| 23:34.28 | lardman_ | hmm, strange how sometimes -mtune=arm1136jf-s is needed and sometimes -mtune=arm1136jfs |
| 23:37.01 | |tbb| | hi collin, and gnite all |
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| 23:39.11 | lardman_ | night all |
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| 23:55.46 | Bofu2U | any chance someone has a second to help me with a osso_xterm problem? aparently ./file isn't working, says not found. :P |
| 23:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | Are you in the right directory? |
| 23:56.29 | Bofu2U | yes |
| 23:56.31 | Bofu2U | ls shows the file |
| 23:56.40 | johnx | is the file executable |
| 23:56.44 | Bofu2U | yes, chmod +x'd |
| 23:56.46 | lcdd | the interpreter does not exist |
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| 23:56.55 | Bofu2U | lost me |
| 23:57.25 | johnx | he's saying that whatever you put at the top of the file "#!/bin/foo" doesn't exist |
| 23:57.44 | Bofu2U | its a compiled C application |
| 23:57.47 | Bofu2U | the actual error is: "-sh: ./hello: not fount" |
| 23:57.52 | Bofu2U | its just the hello world application :-/ |
| 23:57.54 | Bofu2U | not found* |
| 23:58.20 | GeneralAntilles | Escape space |
| 23:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | ./hello\ world |
| 23:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | Space is an argument delimiter. |
| 23:58.46 | Bofu2U | there is no world, I shortened it to hello |
| 23:58.50 | Bofu2U | its just 'hello' |
| 23:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | Is it capitalized? |
| 23:59.14 | Bofu2U | no |
| 23:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Does tab-completion work on the name? |
| 23:59.33 | Bofu2U | yes |
