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| 00:03.37 | fysa | "There's certainly no shortage of ways to get your YouTube fix on the go, but it looks like those options just got a whole lot bigger, as the company today launched a newly expanded mobile website that provides access to "most" of YouTube's catalog on any capable mobile device." |
| 00:03.38 | fysa | anyone try? |
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| 00:04.18 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwUDoC3vc4 [ GemRB: Baldur's Gate 2 on on Nokia N810 ] |
| 00:04.24 | fysa | .. |
| 00:04.58 | zerojay | fysa: you probably found an old press release. |
| 00:05.06 | fysa | that is awesome. |
| 00:05.16 | fysa | that was today on engadget, zerojay |
| 00:05.25 | zerojay | I don't see anything different. |
| 00:05.32 | fysa | "That's quite the improvement over the version of the site that launched last year, which was also open to any device but only provided a select few hand-picked videos." |
| 00:06.21 | fysa | interface is mostly the same. |
| 00:07.25 | pupnik | where's the mobile url? |
| 00:07.29 | fysa | m.youtube.com |
| 00:07.45 | zerojay | I can't even connect to it. |
| 00:07.48 | fysa | I'm on it now.. |
| 00:07.53 | fysa | it has every video I've uploaded |
| 00:07.57 | fysa | http://m.youtube.com |
| 00:08.19 | fysa | pupnik: this is amazing. |
| 00:09.22 | fysa | pupnik: Herbaliser or Fila Brazilia? |
| 00:09.30 | pupnik | fila |
| 00:09.32 | fysa | nice |
| 00:09.36 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:09.52 | leo2007 | do we have to pay for a public wifi to stay online 24/7 |
| 00:10.26 | lcuk | depends if you know your neighbours password |
| 00:10.29 | fysa | haha |
| 00:10.52 | leo2007 | what if I am in the airport? |
| 00:10.53 | fysa | synergy/bluetooth mouse? |
| 00:10.57 | fysa | pupnik? |
| 00:11.21 | pupnik | synergy |
| 00:11.27 | fysa | seems to run playably |
| 00:11.54 | |R | iodine :) |
| 00:12.02 | lcuk | loe, you can get access point data plans, not sure though because i dont ever do it. alternatively you can use your phones data stream |
| 00:12.09 | lcuk | leo |
| 00:12.12 | pupnik | yeah it should be playable someday |
| 00:12.37 | leo2007 | lcuk: are you in UK? |
| 00:12.42 | fysa | just a straight compile so far? |
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| 00:12.48 | lcuk | yes |
| 00:13.22 | lcuk | fysa, m.youtube.com is there a specific codec required to get the movies playing or is it just random ones |
| 00:13.50 | jott | 3gp |
| 00:14.05 | jott | does not work under os2008 as it seems ;) |
| 00:14.37 | lcuk | well thats what i mean - i take it 3gp is the container format with streams inside which obviously our device cannot play correctly |
| 00:15.00 | lcuk | or are all 3gp videos meant to be created equal |
| 00:15.02 | jott | don't even know if it can handle the 3gp container |
| 00:15.06 | fysa | mplayer can. |
| 00:15.08 | leo2007 | is there NOKIA developing the next version of nseries |
| 00:15.21 | lcuk | 3gp play fine when copied from my phone |
| 00:15.21 | jott | fysa: but mplayer has bad rtsp support :/ |
| 00:15.40 | fysa | you know.. |
| 00:15.43 | jott | or lives555 so |
| 00:15.51 | fysa | would be nice to have a greasemonkey script |
| 00:15.59 | fysa | for m.youtube.com, that lets you *browse* on m.youtube.com |
| 00:16.10 | fysa | but then when you click, it gives you the download link to the .flv for the full |
| 00:16.14 | fysa | then we use mplayer to play that. |
| 00:16.20 | fysa | 100% speed/quality |
| 00:16.34 | jott | yeah you could also browse the "real" site with flash disabled |
| 00:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | lol, leo2007, they're just gonna see what happens. |
| 00:16.46 | jott | and a userjs that extracts/generates the flv link |
| 00:16.54 | fysa | oh, videolan is ported somewhere. |
| 00:16.56 | lcuk | it would be much niceer to just have a proper binary FlashBlocker for this device - flash slows everything down, have click to view, and oh look, extra bonus, you clicked youtube, lets open it in mediaplayer |
| 00:16.57 | fysa | that would probably work. |
| 00:16.57 | jott | there are read ones.. |
| 00:16.59 | jott | ready |
| 00:17.32 | fysa | lcuk: just need a greasemonkey script |
| 00:17.39 | fysa | lcuk: we have greasemonkey support in microb |
| 00:17.40 | fysa | on OS2008 |
| 00:18.16 | fysa | there are a couple N800-related things in there now. I think a greasemonkey script for Google iPhone sites being used on an N800 |
| 00:18.25 | lcuk | bleugh, GM is a nasty hack, you will not catch everything properly and why would you want to load/initialise/run THEN cleanup the result. just stop it before it comes on, quick/clean/simple |
| 00:18.37 | jott | i use videoscript.js with opera.. that works quite nice.. |
| 00:18.46 | fysa | as long as you catch it before the flash renders, you will be good |
| 00:18.48 | jott | (desktop opera) |
| 00:18.58 | fysa | GM will keep flash from downloading at all. |
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| 00:19.06 | jott | http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html |
| 00:19.07 | fysa | until you 'touch' it |
| 00:19.18 | fysa | GM filters the HTML |
| 00:19.22 | lcuk | much slower - anything which catches the post processed page is shite (I should know, i worked on flashblock for firefox..) |
| 00:19.53 | lcuk | better design would see a tiny executable catching everything cleanly then letting flash go for the stuff you request |
| 00:19.54 | jott | anything related to firefox is slow -... SCNR ;) |
| 00:19.55 | lcuk | its faster as well |
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| 00:24.03 | jott | lcuk: valid html 3.2? ;) |
| 00:24.39 | lcuk | i dont think so - that included blink didnt it :P |
| 00:25.07 | jott | you did not have to include blink to make it valid ;) |
| 00:25.29 | lcuk | no but any page which used it was automatically invalid |
| 00:25.36 | jott | i guess HTML 5 goes in this direction ;) |
| 00:26.27 | lcuk | best demonstation of future tech... http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html |
| 00:27.16 | jott | hehe |
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| 00:42.36 | pupnik | Failed to open rtsp://rtsp-youtube.l.google.com/CiULENy73wIaHAnOvbeADhRMURMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSAQM/0/0/0/video.3gp. |
| 00:42.45 | pupnik | mplayer,, |
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| 00:47.13 | ds3 | is the blizzard the 770 or the 800 LCD controller? |
| 00:49.59 | lcuk | i'd hazard a guess that its the 770, the 800 should be known as "possible chance of a light dusting in exposed areas" |
| 00:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | How obscure, lcuk. :P |
| 00:52.08 | lcuk | well, the 800 is about 3x slower than the 770 |
| 00:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | I was picturing screen noise. |
| 00:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | Of which the 770 has more. :P |
| 00:52.49 | lcuk | yer, some days its a whiteout |
| 00:53.10 | ds3 | which ever has the blizard chip, it looks like someone added hardware screen rotation support |
| 00:53.25 | ds3 | the trick now is to get into a kernel that supports everything else |
| 00:55.07 | lcuk | nice, you got a link? |
| 00:55.57 | pupnik | the n810 screen has amazing color stability at wide viewing angles |
| 00:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | Nice, isn't it? |
| 00:56.43 | pupnik | i'm so used to the brightness changing on the 770 |
| 00:57.00 | pupnik | i was in the habit of using tilt as a brightness control |
| 00:57.11 | ds3 | lcuk: I am watching commits to the opensource OMAP tree... let me see if I can find an archive |
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| 00:58.25 | ds3 | lcuk: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=120120164705198&w=2 |
| 00:58.47 | lcuk | thx |
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| 01:13.05 | Tak | btw, there are videodownloader ff extensions for youtube etc |
| 01:19.21 | Tak | and they're selected use, not like greasemonkey |
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| 01:22.03 | T-BABIT | I wonder if someone could help me with partitioning my mmc card, I'm having some trouble. |
| 01:22.22 | Tak | what's the issue? |
| 01:22.49 | T-BABIT | I get an error when I got to partition after unmounting |
| 01:22.57 | T-BABIT | let me get it.. |
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| 01:23.30 | T-BABIT | ~/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6: not found |
| 01:24.19 | johnx | what command are you running? |
| 01:24.25 | johnx | and which guide are you following? |
| 01:24.35 | T-BABIT | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 01:25.11 | Tak | yes, paste the command |
| 01:25.42 | T-BABIT | so that's right after the sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 command |
| 01:25.51 | T-BABIT | I get the error on the next line |
| 01:26.03 | johnx | that command needs to be entered inside sfdisk |
| 01:26.07 | Tak | ...which is? |
| 01:26.21 | Tak | ah, hah |
| 01:26.39 | johnx | got it? |
| 01:26.42 | T-BABIT | oh so I need to prefix it? |
| 01:26.49 | johnx | err... |
| 01:26.51 | T-BABIT | with the # sfdisk? |
| 01:27.08 | johnx | here's your problem... |
| 01:27.13 | johnx | don't type the # |
| 01:27.15 | T-BABIT | or, I dunno I have very little experience with this kind of console |
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| 01:27.27 | johnx | the # is unix jargon for "do this as root" |
| 01:28.03 | johnx | unix-heads tend to forget that putting $ or # at the beginning of a line confuses the heck out of people who are new to Unix |
| 01:28.17 | T-BABIT | nod |
| 01:28.30 | johnx | so when you see "# apt-get install e2fsprogs" type: |
| 01:28.33 | johnx | apt-get install e2fsprogs |
| 01:28.45 | dorkybot | # just means you are root |
| 01:28.49 | T-BABIT | okay |
| 01:28.57 | dorkybot | $ means you are a regular user |
| 01:29.08 | T-BABIT | so the problem was that I never entered the original command right? |
| 01:29.17 | johnx | right |
| 01:29.21 | Tak | it's supposed to signify the end of the command prompt |
| 01:29.28 | T-BABIT | okay then I have another problem :) |
| 01:29.50 | T-BABIT | I don't think I've elevated my permission to root yet |
| 01:30.08 | johnx | T-BABIT, did you install becomeroot and type "sudo gainroot" |
| 01:30.41 | ds3 | give instructions like this - |
| 01:30.49 | T-BABIT | I didn't get become root as an application to install |
| 01:30.53 | ds3 | # This is ONLY a sample, do not type this |
| 01:30.56 | ds3 | # rm -rf / |
| 01:30.57 | ds3 | ;) |
| 01:31.06 | Tama^2 | lo,l |
| 01:31.18 | ds3 | how's that for a monkey wrench in the works }:-) |
| 01:31.29 | dorkybot | don't even suggest that |
| 01:31.31 | Tama^2 | n00b-buster |
| 01:31.47 | dorkybot | that sample is pure evil |
| 01:31.53 | T-BABIT | is becomeroot installed the same way x-term was? |
| 01:32.00 | ds3 | if you did it literally, it'll be safe |
| 01:32.06 | ds3 | if not, you should've known better ;) |
| 01:32.21 | lcuk | yes babit, but you have to link to a different repository for it to become listed (or it might just be redpill) |
| 01:32.55 | johnx | T-BABIT, which device and OS version are you using? |
| 01:33.26 | T-BABIT | it's a 770, I think the OS is nokia's from 06 |
| 01:34.11 | T-BABIT | yes |
| 01:34.15 | Tak | are you at least installing 2007HE on it? |
| 01:34.31 | T-BABIT | v3.2006.49-2 |
| 01:35.10 | T-BABIT | ? |
| 01:35.18 | Tak | is that what's on it, or what you're installing? |
| 01:35.28 | T-BABIT | that's what's on it |
| 01:35.33 | Tak | are you at least installing 2007HE on it? |
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| 01:36.04 | T-BABIT | I'm not installing anything on it presently, maybe I misunderstand the question |
| 01:36.12 | jott | are there actually schematics for the rx-44 accessible somewhere? |
| 01:36.12 | johnx | Tak, he's just trying to partition his card |
| 01:36.30 | Tak | hmm |
| 01:36.35 | johnx | T-BABIT, I assume you want to boot from the rs-mmc card, thus you're partitioning? |
| 01:36.44 | T-BABIT | yeah |
| 01:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | jott, there are for the N800. |
| 01:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | They'll be fairly similar. |
| 01:37.23 | jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah i saw those |
| 01:37.27 | lcuk | *apart from the extra stuff |
| 01:37.37 | lcuk | *and the stuff taken away |
| 01:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | GPS, keyboard, light sensor. |
| 01:37.43 | lcuk | but they are the same ;) |
| 01:37.47 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the important stuff is the same. |
| 01:37.59 | johnx | T-BABIT, install this package to make sudo gainroot work: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb |
| 01:38.16 | jott | GeneralAntilles: important is relative i suppose |
| 01:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, something's better than nothing. |
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| 01:39.29 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you are 100% right, because they are related devices usually knowing info on one will at the very least be kept in proximity to the other |
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| 01:39.58 | T-BABIT | johnx: ok installed. |
| 01:40.05 | johnx | at a command line type: |
| 01:40.07 | johnx | sudo gainroot |
| 01:40.15 | johnx | then type: |
| 01:40.16 | johnx | whoami |
| 01:40.35 | Tak | you mean: # whoami |
| 01:40.40 | Tak | :-p |
| 01:41.05 | T-BABIT | johnx: I'm root :-D |
| 01:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have one. |
| 01:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | HA! |
| 01:41.17 | jott | lcuk: you mean the big pile of schematics with the confidential seal? ;) |
| 01:41.21 | johnx | alright, now you should be able to partition the card |
| 01:41.34 | Dashiad | Hello all...I was looking for some info about popping the keyboard on an SDL application..Has that been solved? |
| 01:41.56 | lcuk | well they *are* confidential, they have merely been stored on the internet as a distributed backup mechanism |
| 01:42.00 | T-BABIT | dope, thanks for being understanding this is a totally new platform for me. |
| 01:42.05 | Tak | Dashiad: if you're using rubygame ;-) |
| 01:42.35 | jott | lcuk: heh just in case the nokia mainframe crashes and all is lost?! ;) |
| 01:42.48 | johnx | T-BABIT, sure. As long as you're willing to read and learn, we're generally pretty helpful. |
| 01:42.51 | lcuk | yer, errrr thats it, gtg i hear sirens ;) |
| 01:43.12 | johnx | and only some of us *cough*ds3*cough* will tell try and trick you into deleting all your files. :) |
| 01:43.45 | lcuk | thats the first time ive seen anyone attempt to give that line, though i sorta expected to see it sometime. |
| 01:44.28 | lcuk | T-BABIT, the ppl in here are v friendly :) they have helped me and others immensely |
| 01:44.30 | jott | you have to encode your evil scripts in obfuscated perl code before posting them on irc ;) |
| 01:44.43 | johnx | lcuk, heh...search the irclog for this channel :P |
| 01:44.56 | lcuk | yer and when im here its always helpful |
| 01:45.02 | Tama^3 | it's a classic |
| 01:45.08 | Tama^3 | a must |
| 01:45.16 | lcuk | and for some reason i still dont know where GeneralAntilles is because he never seems to sleep |
| 01:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | I live in the interwebs. :P |
| 01:45.33 | jott | he is a bot *psst* ;) |
| 01:45.39 | lcuk | with the ceiling cat |
| 01:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | EST, actually, but weird schedule, as I'm mostly taking online courses these days. :P |
| 01:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | s/these days/this semester/ |
| 01:45.59 | lcuk | EST? is that a shop? |
| 01:46.04 | lcuk | ahhhh |
| 01:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | Eastern Standard Time |
| 01:46.13 | Tama^3 | lcuk: with the ceiling cat watching him masturbate <- there, fixed it for ya |
| 01:46.17 | Tama^3 | U,u |
| 01:46.20 | lcuk | lol |
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| 01:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | But what about the ceiling spiders? http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2007/02/granddaddy.jpg |
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| 01:49.07 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, seem them before |
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| 01:59.31 | Tama^3 | echo.. |
| 01:59.42 | Tama^3 | >.> |
| 01:59.55 | johnx | e ... c ... h ... o ... |
| 02:00.11 | Tama^3 | :D |
| 02:00.26 | johnx | careful or you'll cause an avalanche |
| 02:01.17 | Tama^3 | ping broadcast ;) |
| 02:01.41 | dorkybot | pong |
| 02:02.02 | johnx | (requires superuser privileges. Are you root?) |
| 02:02.27 | dorkybot | not in irc |
| 02:02.41 | Tama^3 | #whoami |
| 02:02.47 | Tama^3 | god |
| 02:02.52 | Tama^3 | oh well |
| 02:02.55 | Tama^3 | not bad |
| 02:03.03 | johnx | not quite root though :P |
| 02:03.03 | jott | remembers me of http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 02:03.29 | johnx | did you remember the number off the top of your head?! |
| 02:03.38 | jott | na just the title ;) |
| 02:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | That would be creepy. |
| 02:03.43 | johnx | ah |
| 02:03.48 | johnx | scared me |
| 02:03.53 | jott | heh M) |
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| 02:15.19 | johnx | Does anyone know if the N800 has an internal heat sensor of any type? |
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| 02:16.16 | lcuk | you might see a little light flickering if it sets on fire, but other than that i havent heard or seen anything |
| 02:16.27 | lcuk | why u ask? |
| 02:16.37 | johnx | I expected not :/ |
| 02:17.04 | johnx | some other people on itt and myself have been having problems with the touchscreen/digitizer calibration going wonky |
| 02:17.05 | lcuk | my 810 gets hot if i put it onto a cushion and type with it |
| 02:17.44 | lcuk | calibration drift? |
| 02:18.07 | johnx | others seem convinced that it's a software regression in 2008OS but I think it may be connected to heat causing some type of problem |
| 02:18.45 | lcuk | it could be both. the 800 is running faster than original spec, but is the problem centred around hotspots or just a general drift |
| 02:19.14 | johnx | basically at the far right of the screen the input shows up about 1cm left of where I tap |
| 02:19.22 | johnx | at the left edge it's generally on target |
| 02:19.43 | johnx | if I press firmly with my thumb, somewhere on the side of the screen calibration is restored for a while |
| 02:19.48 | lcuk | the far right on mine is MUCH less sensitive than anywhere else - this is where the cables connect i think |
| 02:20.08 | johnx | it's definitely worse in debian where power management is disabled and the tablet is constantly running warm |
| 02:20.25 | lcuk | get maemopad+ on and do some gsmall scribbles all over the screen, you will see which parts are smoothly sensitive |
| 02:21.34 | lcuk | my old (homemade) touchpad suffered from a similar problem - the lcd unit backlight intersected part of my old tablet (which was placed behind the lcd). at the area where the other electronics was the sensitivity was buggered |
| 02:21.59 | lcuk | debian as in using it as a mouse with clicks only |
| 02:22.08 | lcuk | not the pressure |
| 02:22.15 | johnx | correct |
| 02:22.18 | T-BABIT | Is there a default root password on the 770? I'm a dumby and locked myself out. |
| 02:23.05 | johnx | lcuk, actually, it's the same xserver, also using libts just as on maemo/ITOS |
| 02:23.08 | lcuk | like i say, try to get it into a package which shows the pressure gradiant and shade the whole area |
| 02:23.40 | lcuk | if you give me a minute i'll show you the effect (you will have to find a photo upload hosting site thingy for me tho... |
| 02:23.48 | johnx | sure |
| 02:23.52 | johnx | hang on a couple minutes |
| 02:23.54 | johnx | thanks :) |
| 02:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I know touchscreen response regressed with OS2008 final for me. |
| 02:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | But it's all over the screen. |
| 02:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | Not localized anywhere. |
| 02:25.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, does it get better and worse? |
| 02:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:25.31 | johnx | hmm |
| 02:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's consistent. |
| 02:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | Most noticeable with the fullscreen keyboard |
| 02:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | taps register several keys off about every 3-7th keystroke |
| 02:26.57 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, interesting |
| 02:27.07 | johnx | is it to the left or right? |
| 02:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Both. |
| 02:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | and I only notice it with the fullscreen keyboard |
| 02:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | don't notice it with normal taps. |
| 02:27.45 | johnx | what happens with a drawing program? |
| 02:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | Last I checked it was fine |
| 02:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | let me recheck |
| 02:28.15 | johnx | thanks |
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| 02:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Spot-on with Sketch and vkb |
| 02:31.09 | johnx | so weird... |
| 02:31.25 | GeneralAntilles | Couple mess ups in about a paragraph of text with the thumbboard. |
| 02:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Device is cold. |
| 02:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | Release-day device, haven't had any touchscreen troubles. |
| 02:32.00 | johnx | good info to know |
| 02:32.24 | johnx | have you ever had problems with hitting the scroll bar in the web browser after a bit of browsing? |
| 02:33.15 | GeneralAntilles | Other than the fact that it's in the gutter and I rarely use the stylus, no. |
| 02:34.25 | johnx | well that kind of shoots down my heat-relation theory...given how much CPU intensive browsing is :/ |
| 02:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | FREAK! |
| 02:34.51 | lcuk | says the apple user... :P |
| 02:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | I prefer oranges. |
| 02:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . oranges. |
| 02:35.17 | lcuk | does anyone know an imagehost |
| 02:35.23 | lcuk | ive got pic waiting |
| 02:35.25 | johnx | photbucket |
| 02:35.30 | johnx | er photobucket |
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| 02:35.44 | johnx | or bayimg if you're really desperate |
| 02:35.46 | lcuk | ive wasted 10 minutes of even scribbling time with my 810, i will regret this in years to come :P |
| 02:36.20 | lcuk | ones where i dont have to join |
| 02:36.55 | johnx | bayimg.com |
| 02:36.56 | GeneralAntilles | Don't you have a server lying around somewhere? |
| 02:37.12 | lcuk | yer but im just about to upload from it :P |
| 02:37.46 | johnx | but, it's hosted by the pirate bay folks so it might go down on your permanent record :P |
| 02:39.11 | johnx | lcuk, well I've been scribbling but this might not work out too well :/ |
| 02:39.24 | Dashiad | I've just compiled the Frodo C64 emulator for the n800...unfortunately, a bt keyboard is needed to load the games, and the joystick keys need mapping too |
| 02:40.05 | johnx | as I scribbled my tablet got warm so vertical lines drawn on the far right edge of the screen show up about 1cm left nice and dark |
| 02:40.33 | lcuk | damn, bayimg "oh, we're still moving some stuff, sorry." after selecting file |
| 02:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | Huh, recently manufactured unit, johnx? |
| 02:40.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, from march |
| 02:41.06 | johnx | it has a mysterious past as a comp usa floor model |
| 02:41.12 | johnx | so I imagine it was a first run |
| 02:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Gutsy buying a floor model. |
| 02:42.30 | johnx | $260 or so at the time |
| 02:42.43 | lcuk | http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n810pressureunevenareasjq6.png |
| 02:42.43 | johnx | even came with a charger |
| 02:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | Out of context, that is incredibly awesome, lcuk. |
| 02:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | What program is that? |
| 02:44.45 | lcuk | what? |
| 02:44.54 | lcuk | the drawing ? |
| 02:44.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. |
| 02:44.59 | lcuk | maemopad+ |
| 02:45.00 | johnx | maemopadplus I would assume |
| 02:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | Pressure sensitive? |
| 02:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 02:45.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'm out of the loop. |
| 02:45.25 | lcuk | set to fullscreen remove the toolbar and its the entire surface otherwise you have scrollbars |
| 02:45.39 | johnx | you've been out of the loop since august or so then :P |
| 02:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | Quiet. :P |
| 02:46.58 | johnx | I mean this was all the way back on IT2007OS :P :D |
| 02:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | IT what? :P |
| 02:47.50 | lcuk | john, ive shown you mine, lets see what yours looks like then :P |
| 02:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm ramping up the heat on my N800 to do another test. |
| 02:48.25 | johnx | lcuk, just a sec |
| 02:48.27 | lcuk | general, that port is NOT for that |
| 02:48.41 | johnx | fighting with the touchscreen to upload it :/ |
| 02:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe. Sitting on top of my receiver playing a movie. |
| 02:49.48 | lcuk | here you go gen, some porn: theres a young thin model being stripped down for you... http://gizmodo.com/348769/macbook-air-tear-down-sexy-on-the-inside-too2 |
| 02:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | My mother's been asking me if she should get a Macbook Air to replace her old Powerbook. <_< |
| 02:51.04 | Tama^3 | etll her you woill gladly try it out for her for say... mmm 6 months? |
| 02:51.10 | johnx | if people don't know what kind of computer they need I tell them they should just get a plain macbook |
| 02:51.46 | lcuk | expensive, pretty, lacking in substance and looks like it needs a decent meal |
| 02:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | The aluminum Powerbooks are funny. |
| 02:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | They have a subwoofer. |
| 02:52.30 | johnx | so does my second-hand P4 toshiba |
| 02:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://xlr8yourmac.com/systems/PB_G4_15_AL_takeapart/pb15subwoofer.jpg |
| 02:53.11 | johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest.png |
| 02:53.13 | johnx | there |
| 02:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | Apple's laptops need louder speakers. |
| 02:53.40 | celesteh | what? speak up! |
| 02:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | G5 with real speakers over here. :P |
| 02:54.20 | lcuk | johnx, i gather the black vertical lines about 3.4 across were when you moved all the way to the right |
| 02:54.25 | lcuk | 3/4 |
| 02:54.32 | johnx | yup |
| 02:54.55 | johnx | the diagonals were first, before it warmed up |
| 02:55.29 | johnx | I tried to draw with even pressure across the whole screen |
| 02:55.36 | lcuk | you mean its stable for a while and can draw everywhere but then as the screen temp rises it goes way off |
| 02:56.08 | lcuk | and how did you heat it up |
| 02:57.11 | johnx | just by drawing |
| 02:57.18 | johnx | I'll send you another with it already warm |
| 02:58.09 | lcuk | do smaller scribbles |
| 02:58.17 | johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest2.png |
| 02:58.20 | lcuk | not full length of screen |
| 02:58.24 | johnx | ah |
| 02:58.28 | johnx | well that will be on 3 then |
| 02:58.31 | celesteh | this is way off topic, but since somebody else brought up apple . . . my x applications and many terminal apps are all in French! whatup? |
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| 02:58.52 | johnx | celesteh, echo $LANG |
| 02:59.03 | celesteh | thanks, johnx |
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| 02:59.24 | celesteh | heh, it's fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 02:59.31 | johnx | that would do it :) |
| 02:59.37 | johnx | are you on debian/ubuntu? |
| 02:59.48 | celesteh | no apple os x 10.5 |
| 02:59.54 | johnx | heh |
| 02:59.59 | johnx | well...I have no idea |
| 03:00.12 | celesteh | what's it supposed to be for 'mericans? |
| 03:00.25 | johnx | en_US.UTF-8 should be reasonable |
| 03:00.44 | johnx | lcuk, so smaller scribbles all over? |
| 03:00.48 | johnx | or just on the right? |
| 03:00.52 | celesteh | thanks |
| 03:01.10 | lcuk | all over if poss |
| 03:01.24 | lcuk | i know what that looks like... but i dont know how its happeneing |
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| 03:01.58 | johnx | thanks for the help diagnosing :) |
| 03:02.11 | lcuk | if you are drawing with stylus and you put your finger on it, the cursor jumps and continues moving at some half point between your stylus and your finger but its always a deep full color |
| 03:02.16 | johnx | if I press firmly on the left side of the screen with my thumb the calibration returns to normal for a while |
| 03:02.38 | lcuk | have you got a scratch cover thingy ontop |
| 03:02.45 | johnx | nope |
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| 03:03.05 | lcuk | thats the last time i saw something like this (it was on a DS) |
| 03:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/emo.jpg |
| 03:03.51 | johnx | some people seemed to have a problem with this on ITOS2007 but some said that a new release of the firmware fixed it and some people RMAed theres |
| 03:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Calibration was fine, warm |
| 03:04.16 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, thanks for the data point. |
| 03:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | Warmer, in fact, than it's ever gotten from cpu-use alone. |
| 03:04.47 | lcuk | when it happened with the DS they got nintendo replacement |
| 03:05.11 | lcuk | it does look much more intense than my silly problem.. |
| 03:05.14 | johnx | lcuk, yeah. I'd RMA this in a second but I'm I live in Japan now |
| 03:05.51 | lcuk | contact nokia anyway, or visit a local repair shop/.centre/dude |
| 03:06.29 | johnx | I guess I should try that |
| 03:06.36 | johnx | they don't sell them here though |
| 03:07.00 | lcuk | how is it from cold with gentle touches? |
| 03:07.11 | johnx | perfect |
| 03:07.13 | johnx | dead on |
| 03:07.25 | johnx | I can tap with my finger nails on the small onscreen keyboard |
| 03:07.52 | lcuk | it sounds like an adhesion problem between the screen and the touchsensor |
| 03:08.16 | johnx | hmm |
| 03:08.24 | Tama^3 | johnx: is meamo mapper reliable in Japan (as far as your experience goes) |
| 03:08.25 | lcuk | once you press hard the capacitance/resistence changes and thinks its being pressed |
| 03:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | The maximize/minimize outline boxes in OS2008 remind me so much of Mac Classic. |
| 03:09.55 | johnx | Tama^3, fairly reliable, but my knowledge of place-name Kanji is ... bad, so I don't use it much |
| 03:10.20 | lcuk | john, when did this start? |
| 03:10.46 | johnx | sometime over the summer |
| 03:11.07 | johnx | it was only once in a while though |
| 03:11.56 | Tama^3 | johnx: good, I m planning to go there for a while and will buy a BT GPS receiver if it works |
| 03:12.15 | johnx | Tama^3, I don't have a GPS, so I just use it to mark out POIs |
| 03:12.27 | lcuk | im guessing you will have pressed it harder than your normal touch when it happened (fat finger touches are more pressure) |
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| 03:13.04 | lcuk | i think all you can do is contact nokia and see. take it from there as to how to continue. |
| 03:13.04 | Tama^3 | I have no reason to doubt GRS will work there too |
| 03:13.18 | pupnik | hmm stylus makes good cigarette substitute.. |
| 03:13.25 | Tama^3 | I think maemo mapper become much more useful with gps |
| 03:13.34 | pupnik | hehe |
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| 03:13.35 | lcuk | it might even be worth (if your brave enough) stripping it down and giving the screen a close inspection to check for hairline cracks/bubbles or debris caught in the gutter |
| 03:13.37 | johnx | oh, the GPS will but people in different areas have different results for how well the GPS location lines up to google map's claimed longitude/latitude |
| 03:13.43 | Tama^3 | pupnik: all chewed up? |
| 03:14.07 | johnx | lcuk, I'll give it a shot |
| 03:14.19 | johnx | it's easy enough to take the screen off at least |
| 03:14.27 | lcuk | pupnik, dont do what i almost did. i have stylus in mouth. last night i had a cig in mouth and nearly poked my screen with lit end.. |
| 03:14.31 | johnx | I've taken apart enough laptops in my days ... |
| 03:14.36 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 03:16.05 | lcuk | john, failing all that - i wonder if one of those screen protectors will give you a bit more life - taking some of strain might allow you to use it without putting as much pressure on the screen |
| 03:16.20 | lcuk | and hence not triggering the problem |
| 03:16.33 | johnx | well once it's hot it doesn't matter how hard or soft I tap |
| 03:16.56 | johnx | except that one firm press on the left makes it behave for maybe a minute or so |
| 03:17.10 | lcuk | screen wouldnt get hot running maemopad surely? |
| 03:17.22 | lcuk | it sounds more like a pressure related issue |
| 03:17.42 | johnx | check CPU usage in maemo pad while scribbling constantly |
| 03:17.53 | johnx | I bet it's pretty high for such a slow CPU |
| 03:18.02 | lcuk | 50% |
| 03:18.23 | johnx | but it stays woken up and runs at 400MHz I bet |
| 03:18.30 | lcuk | does it matter what color i scribble in? |
| 03:18.49 | johnx | yeah...green uses way more CPU power :P |
| 03:18.52 | johnx | hmm? |
| 03:19.07 | lcuk | lol im jokin, it might be the size of my brush |
| 03:20.36 | lcuk | oh crap, ive gotta sleep sometime tonight |
| 03:20.41 | pupnik | i'd love a statusbar showing current clock speed, power state... |
| 03:21.08 | lcuk | rm_you is status bar dude, i bet its possible |
| 03:22.05 | lcuk | is the touchpanel overlay glass or a plastic sheet on the lcd? |
| 03:22.26 | pupnik | a chemical substance with a long name |
| 03:22.26 | johnx | plastic I think |
| 03:24.24 | elb | touch screens are generally a glass screen with a plastic overlay |
| 03:24.24 | elb | although these days they might both be plastic |
| 03:24.24 | pupnik | do not lick the screen and operate heavy machinery |
| 03:24.30 | hachi | this is starting to drive me mad. every time I lock my n810 and walk from the current network zone, nto the world or something |
| 03:24.45 | hachi | I will come back to it and the network picker window is open, and the keys are still locked |
| 03:25.04 | johnx | hachi, something must be trying to get network access |
| 03:25.23 | hachi | what the frell is opening the window? all it's doing is causing my cpu to wake up and search for wifi |
| 03:25.33 | johnx | worse than that |
| 03:25.48 | johnx | wifi wakes up and soaks up lots of power sending probe requests |
| 03:25.57 | hachi | well, I'm running modest and pidgin, but I didn't have this issue last week |
| 03:26.23 | lcuk | right, must sleep |
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| 03:26.46 | johnx | 'night lcuk |
| 03:26.48 | johnx | thanks for the help |
| 03:26.49 | lcuk | nite folks, and john at least email nokia and read up about touchscreens - i thik you might have damaged yours |
| 03:26.59 | johnx | :( |
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| 03:27.05 | johnx | I will |
| 03:27.28 | hachi | is there a way to set up pan between my tablet and a PC easily? the last set of instructions had no tools to do it and you had to speak via dbus manually |
| 03:27.41 | lcuk | in the notes here about resistive screens it mentions sharp objects can upset the layer |
| 03:27.43 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen |
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| 03:28.16 | lcuk | as you say, when you first turn it on nothing is touching and the layer is kinda fine, then you will go over the damaged are and the positioning will be screwed |
| 03:28.42 | johnx | lcuk, but if I let it cool for a while and come back it's just fine |
| 03:28.45 | lcuk | i dont specifically think its temp with what im seeing but see what nokia say |
| 03:28.56 | johnx | alright |
| 03:29.28 | lcuk | i bet you could leave it running a busy program and leave it for a while and it will return to normal |
| 03:29.42 | lcuk | even though it will be hot |
| 03:29.55 | johnx | actually tried that |
| 03:30.05 | lcuk | didnt work? |
| 03:30.14 | johnx | I will test it again more scientifically, but heat seems to be a factor |
| 03:30.19 | johnx | though other things may be as well |
| 03:31.02 | holla2040 | folks, I just deleted all my internet radio favorites, resulting in a blank ~/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochannels.m3u, could someone paste me yours so I can get the formatting. thanks. |
| 03:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, you might Texrat up for a screen assembly |
| 03:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | he may still have one or two lying around. |
| 03:31.33 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, good idea |
| 03:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | s/might/might hit/ |
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| 03:36.55 | hachi | now stay |
| 03:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Colloquy went spastic. |
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| 03:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Go drink some bottled water, then you'll be set. :P |
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| 03:52.46 | johnx | holla2040, http://pastebin.ca/871711 |
| 03:53.27 | holla2040 | thanks! |
| 03:55.31 | holla2040 | got'er fixed up, working great now, thanks again |
| 03:55.40 | johnx | sure |
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| 04:33.58 | czr | hah |
| 04:34.22 | czr | the part of the training material that my collegue wrote has a funny bug in it |
| 04:34.28 | czr | do a google search with "maemo public api" |
| 04:34.42 | czr | good thing that I never had the time to read that part of the material.. |
| 04:35.28 | T-BABIT | So I get an error of 'Device or resource busy' when trying to unmount /media/mmc1. lsof doesn't show any files being used there though |
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| 04:52.00 | Tama^3 | silly question: are you booting from it? |
| 04:53.01 | johnx | nah, he's trying to partition it so he can...I'm helping him |
| 04:53.57 | hahlo | is luks supported in os2008? |
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| 04:54.42 | czr | hahlo, not with stock kernel/initrd |
| 04:54.49 | czr | you'd need to roll your own |
| 04:54.54 | hahlo | ok |
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| 05:19.17 | johnx | bluetooth works in N800/debian |
| 05:19.33 | proteous | nice |
| 05:20.06 | johnx | I didn't do anything so I guess it was just a matter of installing bluez-utils |
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| 05:33.37 | proteous | doing it without doing anything is even more brilliant |
| 05:36.49 | johnx | testing out a2dp now :) |
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| 05:42.36 | oil | btw. can n800 use multiple bluetooth connections at the same time? |
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| 05:42.59 | johnx | I ... have no idea |
| 05:43.09 | fysa | network connections? |
| 05:43.11 | fysa | or device connections? |
| 05:43.19 | johnx | I guess I could try file transfer while listening to a2dp |
| 05:43.34 | oil | 1 for phone-> gprs and 1 for gps |
| 05:44.00 | oil | well. me too. this is one of the things that should be easy to test |
| 05:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that works fine, oil. |
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| 05:50.35 | oil | GeneralAntilles: thanks! |
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| 06:56.50 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.55 | pupnik_ | an architecture firm that designs a giant building |
| 06:57.04 | pupnik_ | doesn't match some of these open-source projects |
| 06:57.12 | timelyx | ? |
| 06:57.14 | pupnik_ | and average people don't respect these projects |
| 06:57.19 | pupnik_ | because nobody paid 500 millio0n dollars for them |
| 06:58.17 | cizarro | average people don't appreciate architecture either |
| 06:58.54 | pupnik_ | yeah well i just spent the night digging through a project |
| 06:59.06 | pupnik_ | and ... god damn it. |
| 06:59.20 | pupnik_ | the authors deserve some respect |
| 07:00.13 | pupnik_ | a million little monkeys like me could never achieve what they did |
| 07:00.15 | cizarro | I'm trying to find a free MPEG4 ALS codec |
| 07:00.25 | cizarro | heh pupnik_, which project? |
| 07:00.31 | pupnik_ | gemrb |
| 07:01.05 | cizarro | what is it? |
| 07:01.20 | pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwUDoC3vc4 sorry for the lo res |
| 07:01.20 | cizarro | ah. game engine? |
| 07:01.28 | cizarro | heh. sorry you too. no flash :-) |
| 07:01.33 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg |
| 07:01.35 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 07:01.46 | pupnik_ | no flash is cool |
| 07:02.01 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/GemRB-N810_001.flv |
| 07:02.24 | cizarro | oh. nice pic |
| 07:02.32 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 07:02.47 | cizarro | ah. it's a port of the old baldur's gate thingy and others. |
| 07:02.56 | cizarro | found the project on sf. |
| 07:05.09 | cizarro | hmm. pupnik_, the screeshot has shadows on the floor, are those rendered by the engine or part of the floor-tiles? |
| 07:05.22 | pupnik_ | pre-rendered / floor tiles |
| 07:05.47 | cizarro | realtime shadow rendering would be nice though *coughs* |
| 07:06.01 | pupnik_ | crysis does a fantastic job of that |
| 07:06.12 | cizarro | I wasn't too impressed with the graphics in it |
| 07:06.25 | pupnik_ | oh but the tech... real-time radiosity |
| 07:06.26 | cizarro | although I only saw it in passing at some gaming fare. |
| 07:06.41 | cizarro | I wonder why there are no hw-accelerated raytracers yet |
| 07:06.55 | cizarro | similar to what opengl did, but for grounds-up ray-tracing |
| 07:07.26 | pupnik_ | evolution of history |
| 07:07.41 | cizarro | oh, I know. it's just sad :-) |
| 07:08.02 | cizarro | with proper hw design, raytracing could be accelerated like hell |
| 07:08.03 | pupnik_ | you can download hw accel raytracers now |
| 07:08.05 | hachi | anyone know if the sketch program on maemo is open source? |
| 07:08.16 | cizarro | pupnik_, umm? which ones? |
| 07:08.19 | hachi | I'm gonna start toying with things, I'm just curious ahead of time :) |
| 07:08.33 | pupnik_ | hachi, download mtpaint and make that your project |
| 07:08.49 | pupnik_ | cizarro: some russian demos |
| 07:09.20 | inz | hachi, the sketch on ITOS is closed source |
| 07:09.38 | hachi | okie |
| 07:10.15 | cizarro | pupnik_, ah. crazy russians. |
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| 07:10.39 | cizarro | pupnik_, what did you mean by downloading though? |
| 07:11.02 | cizarro | ah, you mean stuff that utilized directx/ogl2 in order to do the raytracing? |
| 07:11.09 | cizarro | s/zed/zes/. |
| 07:11.24 | pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=pixel+shader+ray+tracer&btnG=Search |
| 07:11.37 | cizarro | yeah. that's what I thought. |
| 07:11.44 | cizarro | that far from optimum solution for the problem |
| 07:12.29 | pupnik_ | i've also thought that hardware could more closely simulate the real world |
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| 07:13.10 | pupnik_ | but... there are plenty of smart people on the case |
| 07:15.17 | pupnik_ | cizarro: the tablets should get a snes emu in 2008, and a psx emu, and other stuff... pick a project :) http://pupnik.de/software.html |
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| 07:17.08 | cizarro | heh |
| 07:17.18 | cizarro | if only I'd be 15 years younger :-) |
| 07:17.31 | cizarro | unfortunately have too many "important" things to implement atm. |
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| 08:44.57 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 08:45.52 | johnx | 'mornin |
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| 08:48.17 | Tama^3 | mornin' |
| 08:48.23 | Tama^3 | ops |
| 08:48.27 | Tama^3 | xD |
| 08:48.47 | b0unc3 | ehi johnx ... debian work fine on 770 :P |
| 08:50.41 | johnx | that's great |
| 08:50.52 | johnx | b0unc3, do buttons work for you? |
| 08:51.00 | johnx | I'm having a heck of a time with them :/ |
| 08:53.20 | johnx | also, bluetooth should work if you apt-get install bluetooth and reboot :) |
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| 08:53.49 | Cptnodegard | hah! |
| 08:54.04 | Cptnodegard | found a cheap N800 compatible mini usb cable with 5 pins |
| 08:54.34 | johnx | really? it's wired like a mini-a, but fits into a mini-b socket? |
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| 08:59.59 | Cptnodegard | it fit without problem into the n800's usb port |
| 09:00.05 | n0ob_ | do those nokias need special usb cables? |
| 09:00.23 | n0ob_ | i'm thinking about buying an n810 |
| 09:00.25 | Tama^3 | no n00b |
| 09:00.48 | Cptnodegard | i got 4 of those cables at once and female jacks so i can mass produce auto-adapters i think >:D |
| 09:00.50 | Tama^3 | a normal USB cable will do if you want to connect the n8x0 as an usb disk |
| 09:00.58 | b0unc3 | johnx: no... the buttons seems not to work :( |
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| 09:01.38 | n0ob_ | Tama^3: ok and what are the advantage of a special cable? |
| 09:02.09 | Cptnodegard | you dont need root access to put it in host mode with a hacked cable |
| 09:02.14 | Cptnodegard | it will do it by itself |
| 09:02.29 | n0ob_ | ah ok :) |
| 09:03.22 | Tama^3 | exactly that |
| 09:04.33 | n0ob_ | are there any problem with the n810? i have some experience with linux systems and eventually want to develop software for the maemo platform |
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| 09:18.27 | cizarro | n0ob_, what do you mean by any problem? |
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| 09:18.44 | cizarro | n0ob_, if you know / are willing to learn C, there's no problem |
| 09:18.54 | cizarro | if you only know java (for example), there might be a problem. |
| 09:19.04 | n0ob_ | for example i read about the gps being slow at fixing position |
| 09:19.11 | cizarro | for development, the tablets don't differ so much from regular gtk-environments |
| 09:19.19 | n0ob_ | cizarro: no java on the device? |
| 09:19.27 | cizarro | n0ob_, yes. similar to most embedded device gpses. |
| 09:19.38 | shres | hey, does xserver-xomap use the hardware on omap2420 to do all its drawning? |
| 09:19.39 | cizarro | n0ob_, no java. |
| 09:19.47 | shres | or is it some subset of it? |
| 09:19.58 | cizarro | shres, only some subset. framebuffer afaik |
| 09:20.10 | n0ob_ | cizarro: thats not nice... what about all the applets in the www? |
| 09:20.14 | cizarro | shres, it doesn't use the powervr (smt like that) |
| 09:20.24 | cizarro | n0ob_, what applets? javascript is supported in the browser. java != javascript. |
| 09:20.32 | cizarro | flash is also supported in the browser. |
| 09:20.38 | shres | cizarro, ah interesting, is there a specific reason for that? |
| 09:20.59 | cizarro | shres, lack of integration and the powervr stuff is closed/licensed separately |
| 09:21.30 | |tbb| | Cptnodegard: with a hacked cable could you use the cable then only for host mode? |
| 09:21.30 | n0ob_ | cizarro: i know about java!=javascript... but java applets still exists out there, so i consider this as a missing thing |
| 09:21.33 | cizarro | shres, as for the other stuff (2D blits and such), I'm not 100% sure. might be just lack of interest/no advantages in using it. etc. |
| 09:21.52 | cizarro | n0ob_, you're free to consider it a missing thing :-) |
| 09:22.06 | n0ob_ | hehe |
| 09:22.23 | shres | cizarro, cool, thanks a lot. I will read the /kdrive/omap code to take it from here :-) |
| 09:22.50 | cizarro | shres, you may want to do a search on maeemo-developers list as well |
| 09:23.08 | cizarro | shres, the dsp can also access the framebuffer directly (video decoding etc) |
| 09:23.16 | cizarro | but that's pretty voodoo stuff |
| 09:23.25 | cizarro | (at least for me) |
| 09:23.53 | n0ob_ | cizarro: just an other short question... do you know about a special channel mor dedicated to users? so i wont need to bother developers with newbies questions? |
| 09:24.18 | shres | cizarro, woah, i didnt expect that. |
| 09:24.26 | cizarro | n0ob_, there's a maemo-users mailing list at least. and I'm pretty sure that good questions will be answered here as well, not everybody here is a developer |
| 09:24.40 | n0ob_ | ah ok thx |
| 09:25.06 | cizarro | shres, if that interests you, search the maemo-dev ml :-) (or ask lardman) |
| 09:26.30 | shres | cizarro, will do :-), i will do my background research and ask on the list if i dont understand something. |
| 09:27.33 | cizarro | please do :-) |
| 09:27.43 | cizarro | the kdrive server that you'll be interested in is called Xomap |
| 09:28.17 | shres | i checked out the xserver-xomap code in my scratchbox, is that the right server peice to look through? |
| 09:28.34 | cizarro | I guess so. I haven't ventured on that path |
| 09:29.03 | shres | the more i try to understand X, the harder it gets. |
| 09:29.23 | cizarro | heh, I know that feeling :-) |
| 09:29.33 | cizarro | I used to do some driver development in xf86-times |
| 09:35.11 | inz | shres, the omap2420 built-in display controller is not actually used, but an external epson made one |
| 09:35.51 | inz | shres, I think the omap display controller cannot handle such "high" resolution |
| 09:37.21 | shres | inz, ummm... so i should be looking at kdrive/epson instead? |
| 09:40.35 | inz | shres, I dunnae |
| 09:41.07 | shres | inz, okie, thanks. I will rummage the mailing lists a little more. |
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| 09:41.45 | matmo | anyone know what /usr/bin/wizback is? |
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| 09:42.54 | inz | shres, it might be that the X does the drawing through kernel framebuffer, but again, I have no idea how it works |
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| 09:45.09 | shres | guys btw the search feature here http://search.maemo.org/ is broken for mail archives. |
| 09:45.34 | shres | so if an admin is around, please do the needful. |
| 09:46.59 | cizarro | shres, admins are too scared to be around this channel :-) (too much flak) |
| 09:47.33 | inz | bergie is here at least |
| 09:47.35 | inz | bergie, go fix it! |
| 09:47.36 | inz | ;) |
| 09:48.00 | bergie | that is a google search box, we have now control over it AFAIK |
| 09:48.06 | bergie | s/now/no |
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| 09:52.05 | inz | The advanced search doesn't work at all |
| 09:52.15 | cizarro | because there's a bug in the URL encoding |
| 09:52.28 | cizarro | there's an unescaped < just before the "ADVANCED" part of the submit url |
| 09:52.35 | cizarro | fix that, and then it might work ;-) |
| 09:52.41 | cizarro | < ftw. |
| 09:52.50 | maddler | morning all |
| 09:52.59 | shres | cizarro, damn, you beat me to stating the bug :p |
| 09:53.22 | cizarro | I run on steroids, caffeine and 4-bit processing. I'm fast.. |
| 09:55.54 | shres | well, i dont blame myself. I was looking at kdrive code for last hour. Being dazed is but certain. |
| 09:59.35 | |tbb| | morning maddler |
| 10:00.48 | maddler | hi tbb... flashed ur IT? |
| 10:01.30 | |tbb| | yes havent another chance ;( |
| 10:01.41 | |tbb| | flashed |
| 10:02.28 | maddler | yeah... sadly... |
| 10:03.08 | maddler | but... beta testing it's (also) reflashing :) |
| 10:06.03 | |tbb| | thats true but dumbness by me dont have doing a backup ;) |
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| 10:17.53 | maddler | well... you learned another good lesson :D |
| 10:20.39 | oil | have you managed to get the imap working with gmail or should I go back to pop? |
| 10:22.28 | Tama^3 | gmail imap works with claws and modest |
| 10:22.31 | Tama^3 | :) |
| 10:23.24 | oil | Tama^3: ok, I'll go back to pop :) |
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| 10:24.03 | oil | or is there some other good points to use those clients? |
| 10:24.48 | maddler | brbbrb |
| 10:24.56 | Tama^3 | I find the UI in claws unworkable so I use modest |
| 10:25.05 | Tama^3 | and I think it is pretty good |
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| 10:34.57 | oil | modest looks quite good and seems to be working. now fetching which will take a while |
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| 10:39.24 | Web-Kanotix696 | hi |
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| 11:19.02 | |tbb| | maddler back? |
| 11:21.44 | maddler | yes |
| 11:23.08 | oil | seems like the modest does not retrieve emai bodies & attachements automatically |
| 11:23.30 | |tbb| | is it known what makes the continues reboot loop |
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| 11:25.27 | kulve | |tbb|: crashing daemon most likely. Or unresponsive OS. |
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| 11:27.53 | |tbb| | no i mean was there a problem with modest or with rtfcomm update, at least |
| 11:28.25 | |tbb| | the screen turns to white after disableing watchdog |
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| 11:30.50 | florian | good morning |
| 11:31.29 | maddler | it was a rtcom related issue... |
| 11:31.43 | maddler | hi florian |
| 11:31.43 | |tbb| | fixed? |
| 11:31.46 | maddler | yes... |
| 11:31.52 | florian | hi maddler |
| 11:31.56 | maddler | 2.1-17 released and fixed... |
| 11:32.01 | maddler | and tested as well ;) |
| 11:32.03 | |tbb| | hey flo |
| 11:34.09 | |tbb| | i should not be that fast in update beta versions |
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| 11:44.10 | maddler | |tbb|: or wait untile someone finds a bug instead of you... :) |
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| 11:45.49 | Khertan | hi |
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| 11:49.55 | |tbb| | or potentially backup - update - reboot |
| 11:51.57 | henrique | anybody knows where I can find the python-abook package for chinook? |
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| 12:28.50 | inz | damn, some hardy upgrade broke my scratchbox again |
| 12:28.54 | inz | Now with vdso |
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| 12:36.58 | cizarro | inz, yay :-) |
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| 12:43.48 | inz | cizarro, fortunately that was a known issue and easy to fix |
| 12:44.06 | inz | cizarro, might be because the -rt kernel that ubuntustudio pulled in |
| 12:44.11 | inz | +ot |
| 12:44.17 | inz | -t+f |
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| 12:49.40 | oil_ | hmm. would gpodder be a good application to download music files from the mediaserver? Making a script which would create xml file of the music on the server. Then give this file as a podcast feed to the gpodder. |
| 12:50.24 | oil_ | music librady is currently 20+GB and therefore can not be synced with the tablet |
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| 12:53.36 | lcuk_wrk | could some1 do me a favor plz and have a look how long ago my normal lcuk connection closed. home connection not responding and wanna see if house has burnt down |
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| 12:55.19 | wnd | lcuk_wrk, about 3.5 hours ago |
| 12:56.06 | lcuk_wrk | thanks, just after i left for work.. |
| 12:56.56 | Khertan | Is there a way to be notified when network is available ? |
| 12:57.21 | Khertan | what i want to make is launching a sync process each time my tablet is online ... |
| 12:57.41 | lcuk_wrk | Khertan: i think osso has events for connectivity status |
| 12:58.33 | Khertan | does this event can launch application ? or does i need to make a daemon ? |
| 12:58.36 | lcuk_wrk | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#InternetConnectivityDaemon |
| 13:00.49 | lcuk_wrk | khertan, would you want this just for your app or allowing for configuration of sync items? |
| 13:02.05 | lcuk_wrk | might be an idea to write a mini daemon which just allows a script to run upon related event (maybe someone has already written one) |
| 13:03.31 | Khertan | lcuk_wrk > in fact i m doing my own task application, and i want to write a web page to be able to see task from desktop and to edit it |
| 13:04.39 | Khertan | lcuk_wrk > hum LibConIC API ... i don't see something about this in python binding ... :( |
| 13:04.56 | lcuk_wrk | [pymaemo] Internet Connectivity (libconic) for maemo |
| 13:05.03 | lcuk_wrk | try that.. |
| 13:05.28 | lcuk_wrk | crap sorry: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2007-March/000008.html |
| 13:05.41 | lcuk_wrk | its the intention to produce bindings, not actual bindings |
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| 13:08.27 | lcuk_wrk | in the release notes for 2.51 (http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/oldnews.html) libconic is listed: New modules (gconf/gnomevfs, libconic, libid3tag, osso-mime, libjpeg -thanks to Matt Croydon). |
| 13:09.38 | Khertan | great .. ! |
| 13:09.39 | Khertan | thx |
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| 13:10.42 | lcuk_wrk | better get back to work i think |
| 13:11.11 | lcuk_wrk | before i go, khertan - any new changes/releases i should be watching out for? |
| 13:11.40 | Khertan | :) no ... thx :) |
| 13:11.50 | Khertan | need to get back to work too |
| 13:12.06 | lcuk_wrk | catch ya later then |
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| 13:53.58 | ccooke | There's no way to get the oxxo xterm to *remember* you want no button bar, is there? |
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| 13:54.55 | Tak | osso-xterm is open-source, isn't it? ;-) |
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| 13:56.39 | t_s_o | anyone else using simplelauncher and having trouble with the right-most icon? |
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| 13:57.45 | t_s_o | ccooke: funny, the original window ignored it, but when i hit "new window" from the menu, the toolbar was gone... |
| 13:58.09 | t_s_o | and same even with the original window... |
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| 14:00.13 | ccooke | t_s_o: the thing that annoys me is I have to turn it off - twice! once for normal, once for full screen - every single time I start the terminal |
| 14:01.17 | t_s_o | seems like some kind of bug |
| 14:01.47 | t_s_o | like i said, if i launch a second window of xterm while the first one is running, and showing the toolbar, the toolbar goes away, on both of them... |
| 14:02.13 | t_s_o | and thats even while the checkmarks are present on both options?! |
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| 14:02.56 | Khertan | the most annoying things with osso-xterm is when you can only see on screen 8 or 10 toolbar ... and not the consol |
| 14:02.59 | Khertan | +e |
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| 14:04.05 | Khertan | oO° |
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| 14:05.27 | Tak | you mean the fullscreen keyboard? :-P |
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| 14:06.20 | Richard_ | In sb2, "ls /lib" says no such file or directory. why? |
| 14:09.18 | alterego | Richard_, are you running `sb2 ls /lib` ? |
| 14:09.35 | alterego | Remember that SB2 is _very_ different to sb1 .. |
| 14:09.51 | Richard_ | alterego: yes |
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| 14:11.15 | alterego | Admittedly that's quite odd behaviour, but it's probably not broken behaviour ;) |
| 14:11.33 | Richard_ | [SB2 game] tgr@tgr-laptop /media/disk/sb2/build_root $ sb2-show path /lib /usr /bin |
| 14:13.47 | L0cN800 | re |
| 14:14.14 | L0cN800 | alterego, no irb un ruby for maemo ? |
| 14:14.44 | L0cN800 | problem to have it compiled ? |
| 14:15.05 | maddler | L0cN800: aren't you on #maemo-it?! lazy bummer!!! |
| 14:15.08 | maddler | :D |
| 14:15.56 | Tak | do we really need a separate maemo channel for each language? |
| 14:16.04 | alterego | L0cN800, it's around somewhere :P |
| 14:16.21 | L0cN800 | azz |
| 14:16.24 | alterego | L0cN800, I'll just find it. My servers are still not up yet. |
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| 14:16.30 | L0cN800 | vanished :) |
| 14:16.52 | maddler | Tak: not really... |
| 14:17.22 | maddler | Tak: but you know... telling stupid stories in a foreign kanguage won't work! :D |
| 14:17.40 | L0cN800 | maddler, on freenode ? |
| 14:17.42 | maddler | kanguage->language |
| 14:17.45 | maddler | L0cN800: yep |
| 14:18.50 | Tak | Estuve una senorita de Maringa... |
| 14:20.08 | alterego | I think I'm going to rip open one of my broken Nokia chargers and wire up a USB->Nokia charger adapter. |
| 14:20.39 | maddler | damn... can't recall how to change alt-tab behaviour in order to show windows on all desktops! :D |
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| 14:22.32 | Khertan | #maemo-ruby |
| 14:22.37 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:23.42 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 14:23.59 | Khertan | huhu maemo-python is a registered chan |
| 14:24.00 | Khertan | lol |
| 14:24.11 | alterego | The official channel is #ruby-maemo :P |
| 14:24.26 | Khertan | arg ... ... i was near :) |
| 14:24.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:25.03 | Khertan | #maemo-ruby |
| 14:25.05 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:25.19 | Khertan | pffff ... this doesn't work :) |
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| 14:40.06 | matmo_ | anyone using vmware appliance? |
| 14:40.31 | alterego | I use a para virtualized appliance. |
| 14:41.41 | matmo_ | I ran out of space and move some scratchbox directories to another drive and now cannot start maemo |
| 14:42.32 | matmo_ | I moved devkits |
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| 14:47.02 | alterego | matmo_, so you know what the problem is then .. |
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| 14:47.37 | matmo_ | sb doesn allow links out side? |
| 14:48.01 | matmo_ | (kb acting up) |
| 14:49.02 | alterego | No |
| 14:49.12 | matmo_ | alterego: I moved devkits dir to another drive and linked it. Inside SB it now says no such dir |
| 14:49.26 | alterego | Yes, because scratchbox is chrooted. |
| 14:49.37 | matmo_ | so what to do? The 6G appliance is full! |
| 14:49.40 | alterego | As soon as you enter scratchbox, those links become pointless. |
| 14:50.00 | Tak | why not bind-mount instead of symlink? |
| 14:50.01 | alterego | Resize the image? |
| 14:50.14 | matmo_ | Tak: how? |
| 14:50.20 | matmo_ | alterego: not poss |
| 14:50.36 | Tak | mount -o bind /some/mount/point /other/mount/point iirc |
| 14:51.26 | micko_21 | Hello, I have a problem understanding routing on N810. I have connected N810 to my laptop with usb cable, switched WIFI off, manually created "route add default gw 192.168.2.15 dev usb0". And ping and other shell commands work OK, but the WWW browser does not use this default route, and tries to make a connection using WIFI. Is there a way for the browser to use my routing table? |
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| 14:53.49 | alterego | micko_21, have you setup ipmasq on your laptop to allow routing to the internet? |
| 14:53.54 | micko_21 | Is it a bug, or expected behavior? |
| 14:54.20 | micko_21 | Yes, as I wrote ping works ok, ssh also. |
| 14:54.33 | b0unc3 | micko_21: dns? |
| 14:54.49 | micko_21 | Only when I open the browser the "Select connection" dialog window appears |
| 14:55.04 | _collin_ | you need the dummy_IAP |
| 14:55.09 | micko_21 | DNS is OK (using commandline). |
| 14:55.23 | _collin_ | micko_21: that was for you |
| 14:55.23 | micko_21 | What is that? (dummy_IAP) |
| 14:55.29 | _collin_ | check the maemo wiki |
| 14:55.35 | micko_21 | OK, thanks |
| 14:56.09 | _collin_ | it is to tell the device network infrastructure that there is a connection |
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| 14:57.39 | matmo_ | Tak: bind doesn´t work either |
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| 15:10.01 | micko_21 | OK, so it is not like in a linux system ;) Good to know about it. Thanks _collin_, it works now! It should be added in the default configuration I think... Would be easier for (some?) users. |
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| 15:10.41 | dragorn | Very few people set up non-iap routes I think |
| 15:12.47 | |tbb| | dragorn how can i get latest kismet version with dbus patch which shut down the nokia wlan connection thing |
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| 15:14.56 | micko_21 | dragorn: yes, but I was fighting for 2 days now :( I suspected broken network code in the kernel. The solution is really simple, but is is really hard to find it for someone new to the maemo platform :( |
| 15:15.31 | dragorn | anything hildonized that needs networking is supposed to talk to IAP to set up the connection |
| 15:15.40 | _collin_ | yep |
| 15:16.13 | dragorn | I did spend several days fighting with IAP trying to get it to shut DOWN all the existing connections. Apparently you can't do that, since it's just a reference counter |
| 15:16.13 | micko_21 | OK, I will remember. |
| 15:16.48 | dragorn | I wonder if setting up a dummy IAP connection would be equally useful to shutting it down though. |
| 15:17.40 | micko_21 | Couldn't you just do ifconifg wlan0 down? Wouldn't it work? |
| 15:17.53 | dragorn | Not so much |
| 15:18.09 | dragorn | It's very very hard to get it to leave the wlan device alone, I'm finding |
| 15:18.41 | dragorn | The only reliable way I've found is to kill wlancond entirely, which is like putting it to sleep with a sledgehammer |
| 15:18.54 | dragorn | and even then it randomly hangs the device or doesn't come back normally. |
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| 15:19.54 | micko_21 | On the other hand: how do people create packages for maemo? I am new to debian based systems. Yesterday I found about mud-builder, but I don't know if it is up-to-date? If yes, is there an update repository of *.xml recipes for it? |
| 15:20.15 | dragorn | I fought with dpkg a lot, then said eff this, and I make them with tar and cpio |
| 15:20.39 | Tak | mud-builder is fine if the package is already in debian and doesn't require extensive modifications |
| 15:20.43 | micko_21 | I did compile lua for maemo, but I wonder if there is a readline package for chinook? |
| 15:20.55 | inz | arrgh, you shouldn't use tar and cpio for .debs |
| 15:21.59 | fysa | The Ubuntu community forums have a ton of resources on making debs and such, most of those instructions should apply here to a degree. |
| 15:22.05 | _collin_ | miko_21: all the doku is in the wiki |
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| 15:22.34 | Tak | it's not that difficult - dh_make; edit the stub files in debian/ ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 15:22.35 | micko_21 | So what is the best place to find "source" packages for maemo (so I could compile it by myself)? I know only about mud-builder. There are some packages on garage.maemo.org, but those are binary packages, right? |
| 15:22.37 | lophyte | morning all |
| 15:23.08 | K-Fox | what is a mud-builder? |
| 15:23.33 | micko_21 | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 15:23.45 | Tak | micko_21: there should be source for nearly everything on garage |
| 15:23.58 | dragorn | inz: be that as it may, it's that, or it would appear I'm not going to be building any debs for anything :P |
| 15:24.51 | micko_21 | I understand that "source" in debian is the content of the "debian" subdirectory? Or *.dsc files? |
| 15:24.56 | |tbb| | micko_21: ive done that "iwconfig wlan0 down" thing long time before it has worked for me also |
| 15:26.07 | micko_21 | So, if I would like to check if someone did already a readline package for maemo, where should I look for it? |
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| 15:31.33 | inz | dragorn, the biggest problem with the tar+cpio is that you don't get source packages |
| 15:31.52 | dragorn | inz: I'm not going to restructure my entire app |
| 15:32.00 | inz | dragorn, why would you need to? |
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| 15:33.10 | Tak | micko_21: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/r/readline4/ |
| 15:33.13 | inz | dragorn, deb packaging doesn't really say anythin about how you should make your app, you just need to put some files to certain places and magic will happen =) |
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| 15:54.09 | ph|ber | y0 guys.. |
| 15:54.18 | ph|ber | you think nokia will move to ffs? |
| 15:54.28 | ph|ber | http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/01/23/new-linux-flash-filesystem-offers-4x-speed/ |
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| 15:54.51 | Tak | ffs - most amusing filesystem name ever |
| 15:54.52 | zoran | it is bsd fs for hdd? |
| 15:54.58 | ph|ber | no |
| 15:55.02 | ph|ber | linux. |
| 15:55.07 | ph|ber | flash filesystem |
| 15:55.15 | ph|ber | mounts 500 times faster than jffs2 |
| 15:55.21 | ph|ber | er 500% |
| 15:56.09 | lophyte | hahahaha |
| 15:56.10 | lophyte | ffs |
| 15:56.12 | lophyte | that's awesome |
| 15:56.17 | fysa | mounts faster.. |
| 15:56.23 | fysa | but access/read/write? |
| 15:56.35 | Tak | "FFS technology is not open source." uhh... |
| 15:56.47 | Tak | so do you have to use fuse then? or are they just morons? |
| 15:57.09 | ph|ber | where did you see not opensource? |
| 15:57.38 | Tak | in the article you just linked |
| 15:58.01 | ph|ber | i dont see that anywhere. |
| 15:58.20 | Tak | ffs, third paragraph under the image |
| 15:58.23 | ph|ber | 400% faster write performance |
| 15:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Unlike JFFS2 or YAFFS, Datalight’s Reliance and FlashFX Pro FFS technology is not open source. |
| 15:58.31 | sp3000 | ffs, use search |
| 15:58.41 | ph|ber | ahhh!.. |
| 15:58.45 | sp3000 | s/search/find in page/ |
| 15:58.45 | Tak | sp3000 meant: ffs, use find in page |
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| 16:01.53 | zoran | have server in your pocket? |
| 16:02.51 | fysa | raid0, so you can still pop one out |
| 16:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | RAID . . . fun. |
| 16:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Who's gonna be the first to implement that on the N800? :P |
| 16:03.23 | zoran | k, large files, no biggie |
| 16:03.44 | fysa | problem is does the kernel support md? |
| 16:03.57 | fysa | we'd need a hacked kernel.. |
| 16:03.59 | zoran | or make network nas and use it that way |
| 16:04.29 | fysa | but network is slower.. |
| 16:04.42 | fysa | so your bottleneck would be the network instead of the array |
| 16:04.58 | zoran | what purpose would it be for? |
| 16:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | zoran . . . RAID ARRAY in your POCKET. :P |
| 16:05.27 | fysa | purpose? |
| 16:05.31 | fysa | two 8GB SDHC cards in the N800 |
| 16:05.40 | fysa | the purpose is bandwidth.. |
| 16:05.41 | unique311 | Tak, ping |
| 16:05.42 | zoran | when box made, it should have purpose in minds |
| 16:05.49 | fysa | 128MB RAM means lots of swapping |
| 16:05.57 | fysa | swapping likes fast media |
| 16:06.06 | zoran | k, don't want to bother... |
| 16:06.15 | fysa | I bet the device in general would feel much more snappy if we could even get to 15-20MB/s instead of 5-6MB/s |
| 16:06.17 | zoran | I still think raid is not for pc etc |
| 16:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | Bull. |
| 16:06.31 | fysa | yeah, no shit |
| 16:06.34 | fysa | RAID should be everywhere. |
| 16:07.10 | fysa | not just the 8 drives in the linux server on my floor behind me. |
| 16:07.15 | zoran | bigger hdd/mmc even better |
| 16:07.48 | fysa | no |
| 16:07.51 | fysa | RAID0 is mirroring |
| 16:07.57 | zoran | no |
| 16:08.00 | fysa | so you use two 8GB SDHCs.. |
| 16:08.03 | fysa | you only get 8GB total storage. |
| 16:08.03 | zoran | it is raid 1 |
| 16:08.34 | fysa | dur |
| 16:08.34 | zoran | 2 identical copies |
| 16:08.35 | Tak | unique311: pong? |
| 16:08.35 | fysa | haha sorry. |
| 16:08.37 | fysa | I meant RAID1. |
| 16:08.51 | zoran | 5 is interesting on n810 |
| 16:08.56 | fysa | how?? |
| 16:09.02 | zoran | dunno :) |
| 16:09.05 | fysa | on N800 you have two SDHC slots |
| 16:09.12 | zoran | 3 or more mmc-s |
| 16:09.28 | zoran | :) |
| 16:09.35 | Tak | fysa: my swap would be a lot more snappy, I'm sure |
| 16:09.54 | unique311 | is it possible to add lynx emu to xmaeme |
| 16:09.59 | zoran | swap makes all fst on my 770, but i rerely use it |
| 16:10.08 | Tak | sure |
| 16:10.15 | unique311 | found an emu for lynx that runs 16+ fps |
| 16:10.23 | fysa | heh, cool |
| 16:10.27 | Tak | very nice |
| 16:10.34 | fysa | California Games here I come |
| 16:10.34 | unique311 | but screen size is kinda small. |
| 16:10.45 | Tak | I just added gnuboy (haven't released yet) |
| 16:11.16 | Tak | no option to multiply screen size? |
| 16:11.23 | unique311 | no |
| 16:11.25 | fysa | how fast is the USB port on the N800? |
| 16:11.35 | Tak | :-/ |
| 16:11.48 | unique311 | but i think i can modify the source to change screen size. |
| 16:11.52 | unique311 | might slow it down |
| 16:12.08 | Tak | hmm - is it small enough to be doubled? |
| 16:12.17 | Tak | or is it too small for that to be enough? |
| 16:12.28 | fysa | I think so. |
| 16:12.33 | fysa | 160x102 |
| 16:12.53 | fysa | almost x5 ;) |
| 16:12.55 | fysa | 800x510 |
| 16:12.56 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:13.03 | unique311 | 160x102 |
| 16:13.07 | Tak | holy crap - it's smaller than gb? |
| 16:13.11 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:13.40 | fysa | it's pretty old. |
| 16:14.09 | fysa | http://www.ataritimes.com/images/lynx/distantlands7.gif |
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| 16:14.56 | fysa | 16 colors onscreen |
| 16:15.06 | fysa | 1990 |
| 16:15.30 | Tak | so what's the emu? |
| 16:15.43 | unique311 | handy-sdl |
| 16:15.55 | unique311 | the source was really screwed. |
| 16:16.04 | unique311 | i can send you the one i modified to look at. |
| 16:16.31 | Tak | sure |
| 16:16.34 | Tak | how was it screwed? |
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| 16:17.11 | unique311 | well letters were capped when they arent suppose to be. |
| 16:17.17 | westdene | hi |
| 16:17.23 | Tak | oh, one of those |
| 16:17.30 | unique311 | and that made for lots of such files cannot be found. |
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| 16:18.15 | unique311 | http://www.emuhq.com/attachment.php?id=181 |
| 16:18.16 | Tak | I hate it when somebody makes a mod or a map for a crossplatform game like UT or NWN, and the files are all like SoMeMaP.ut2 and variously referenced as SOMEMAP, SomeMap, and somemap |
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| 16:25.00 | Tak | unique311: so...your modified source? |
| 16:25.11 | unique311 | sending it to you right now. |
| 16:25.12 | unique311 | gmail |
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| 16:25.50 | unique311 | that link i posted is not the one i used. |
| 16:25.56 | unique311 | thats another version. |
| 16:26.01 | fysa | Gasparilla. |
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| 16:26.20 | unique311 | trying to locate the link with the sdl version i used. |
| 16:26.25 | Tak | cold for gasparilla |
| 16:26.29 | fysa | Going to try to watch it from our balcony.. |
| 16:26.39 | fysa | I think the parade sets up/starts right in front/down the block |
| 16:26.59 | fysa | but yeah, a bit chilly for beads. |
| 16:27.02 | fysa | ;) |
| 16:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:37.34 | elb | my N810 hit Memphis this morning at 0700 |
| 16:37.51 | elb | it could conceivably be here today, but I'm betting Monday |
| 16:37.57 | ph|ber | ku.. want me to go and pick it up? |
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| 16:48.01 | Tak | hmm, built |
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| 16:50.26 | unique311 | screen pretty small, heh |
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| 16:54.09 | dorkybot | the agony of fedex tracking and wasting time on irc ... |
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| 16:56.52 | korpios | dorkybot: mine says it's coming in tomorrow, so it looks like they're good for the two-day shipping |
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| 17:02.37 | dorkybot | mine is monday from TX to NJ |
| 17:03.02 | dorkybot | just took nokia a long time to get it to fedex |
| 17:03.49 | Tak | they flew someone from FI to TX to drop it off at fedex |
| 17:04.07 | dorkybot | i thank them for the effort :) |
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| 17:05.08 | dorkybot | already read most of internettablettalk ... |
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| 17:19.55 | unique311 | Tak, seems theirs a version of handySDL out there with pixel doubling already |
| 17:19.58 | unique311 | version 0.2 |
| 17:20.13 | Tak | link? |
| 17:20.51 | unique311 | no source just binary |
| 17:21.01 | unique311 | looking for the source code right now. |
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| 17:21.49 | unique311 | http://sdlemu.ngemu.com/ |
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| 17:22.35 | Tak | meh |
| 17:24.38 | fysa | . |
| 17:25.26 | unique311 | i found it. |
| 17:25.56 | unique311 | i'm going to give it a try, and see how big the screen is. |
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| 17:43.58 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 17:45.00 | Andy80 | I'd like to test MaemoWordpy on my N810. I've just updated the application catalog, but latest available version is 0.5 not 0.6, where can I find it? |
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| 17:58.28 | alterego | Andy80, the catalog might not be up-to-date. Have you tried installing the install file anyway and seeing what version _that_ says it is? |
| 17:59.12 | solmumaha | alterego: pm |
| 17:59.21 | alterego | pm? |
| 17:59.23 | Andy80 | I clicked on this install file to install it: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/install/maemo-wordpy.install |
| 18:00.33 | solmumaha | private message |
| 18:00.43 | Andy80 | as you can see: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-wordpy/ |
| 18:00.49 | Andy80 | the repository is not updated.... |
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| 18:01.07 | Andy80 | how can I install it if the repository is not updated? |
| 18:01.19 | alterego | You can't. |
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| 18:05.57 | lcuk | w00000t - the house hadn't burnt down |
| 18:06.51 | solmumaha | have you been unhappy about that? |
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| 18:08.18 | solmumaha | meaning has it burned sometime? |
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| 18:10.02 | lcuk | it wasnt so serious today, just the computer had fallen off the net |
| 18:10.13 | solmumaha | ah, i know the feeling |
| 18:10.34 | solmumaha | my house gets a lightning strike few times a summer |
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| 18:12.18 | lcuk | that cant be good for your hair |
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| 18:13.56 | solmumaha | guess not, if i had it |
| 18:14.23 | lcuk | you could try sudo apt-get hair |
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| 18:16.20 | solmumaha | that would upset the wife |
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| 18:21.01 | unique311 | got it at full speed. but the screen is tiny. |
| 18:21.20 | pupnik_ | what at full speed? |
| 18:21.25 | unique311 | handy |
| 18:21.30 | unique311 | lynx emu |
| 18:21.36 | pupnik | ah |
| 18:21.54 | unique311 | super tiny display |
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| 18:26.18 | Tak | next xmaeme will have handy_sdl support |
| 18:27.50 | unique311 | cool |
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| 18:28.31 | unique311 | you found 0.2? or you playing around with 0.1? |
| 18:29.47 | Tak | I used the usage info from 0.1 |
| 18:30.15 | aspiers | is there a howto for creating maemo repos? |
| 18:30.20 | K-Fox | a size of n800 is suited to portable device? |
| 18:30.50 | Tak | K-Fox: what? |
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| 18:32.12 | K-Fox | ? |
| 18:32.48 | unique311 | ?? |
| 18:33.16 | unique311 | <K-Fox> a size of n800 is suited to portable device |
| 18:35.29 | unique311 | the n800 size is suited for a portable device? maybe |
| 18:35.37 | unique311 | even that dont make sense |
| 18:35.52 | unique311 | the size of the n800 is suited for a portable device. |
| 18:36.15 | ||cw | aspiers: same as a debian one |
| 18:36.16 | pupnik | depends on size of pockets |
| 18:36.43 | unique311 | i'm just trying to make sense of K-Fox words |
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| 18:37.25 | ||cw | K-Fox: your question makes no sense |
| 18:37.32 | unique311 | K-Fox, the answer is yes. |
| 18:38.17 | K-Fox | ok , i learn a english |
| 18:38.37 | unique311 | don't worry |
| 18:38.51 | unique311 | maybe someone in here speaks in you native language. |
| 18:39.19 | ||cw | K-Fox: that's fine, but your question seemed to either missing important words or a complete misunderstanding of what an n800 is |
| 18:39.20 | Tak | I think a great functionality for google translate would be: enter some text in language A, select that it was previously autotranslated from language B, and have it derive a different/better equivalent of what the language-A text is supposed to be |
| 18:39.38 | K-Fox | ago a some day , i did buy the n800 in ebey |
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| 18:39.59 | Tak | ok |
| 18:40.20 | unique311 | you like it K-Fox? |
| 18:41.33 | |tbb| | cu later |
| 18:42.12 | K-Fox | Tak/ google translate can not increase my english skill |
| 18:42.27 | Tak | I agree |
| 18:42.35 | Tak | it doesn't increase my skill with non-english languages, either |
| 18:42.38 | K-Fox | thank you |
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| 18:47.48 | K-Fox | ok i like the maemo system based linux |
| 18:48.08 | lcuk | k-fox, maemo is very good :) |
| 18:48.12 | Tak | I do too. |
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| 18:54.07 | lcuk | :( bye bye foreign maemo user |
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| 18:54.48 | lcuk | i bet he will poke around with it like we would with a chinese language version |
| 18:55.00 | Tak | korean, in this case |
| 18:55.05 | lcuk | yer noticed |
| 18:55.20 | lcuk | didnt know whether we could paste unicode in here else i would have tried |
| 18:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's entirely client-side. |
| 18:56.25 | Tak | ‽ |
| 18:56.36 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.37 | lcuk | yer but if i paste unicode chars i wasnt sure if they would get truncated back to ascii and then look like crap |
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| 18:57.00 | Tak | pupnik: that still doesn't make sense to me, though |
| 18:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | The server will send them as you send them. |
| 18:57.49 | lcuk | yer but since each word has multiple maenings without professional translation korean and other languages literally do get lost in translation |
| 18:57.57 | pupnik | agree Tak, the question behind the question was unclear |
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| 19:00.42 | vandenoever | yay, mplayer is nice |
| 19:00.59 | vandenoever | now i'd like to make buttons that start mplayer with a radiostream |
| 19:01.10 | vandenoever | is that easily possible? |
| 19:01.56 | pupnik | buttons where? |
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| 19:03.53 | pupnik | looking at XGngeo a bit here... looks great unique311 :) |
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| 19:06.59 | unique311 | thanks. |
| 19:08.20 | unique311 | 16-3 coming in a bit. fixed it up a bit more. |
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| 19:10.02 | Luria | anyone know where that 770 compatible phone list is? |
| 19:12.44 | vandenoever | pupnik: in a small app or bookmark list or in a start menu category |
| 19:13.02 | vandenoever | pupnik: as long is it is easily start and stoppable for a newbie |
| 19:13.29 | lcuk | 3[4p;5;l5p[78oi7tpoyo56iotkykjykyikt5iktoyo6o6oi7ioukukukjk,hkhlhhjighkgufikikrtiuri |
| 19:13.49 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.22 | Tak | we really need at least one op in here |
| 19:14.30 | jacques-work | :-| |
| 19:15.51 | unique311 | lcuk, is falling sleep on keyboard? |
| 19:16.02 | script | maemo.org is toooo sloowwww :| |
| 19:16.18 | vandenoever | script: the machine or the code? |
| 19:16.25 | script | vandenoever: who cares? |
| 19:16.29 | Tak | maybe he's having a seizure; somebody should call 911, or 999, or whatever the geography-appropriate phone code is |
| 19:16.36 | script | it's unusable |
| 19:16.39 | jacques-work | looks more like a cat or a small child typing |
| 19:16.42 | vandenoever | script: ah the website, yeah, it's pretty slow |
| 19:16.47 | solmumaha | or fire |
| 19:16.49 | Tak | maybe his cat's having a seizure |
| 19:16.58 | solmumaha | or is on fire |
| 19:16.59 | vandenoever | script: it's to pretend it's popular ;-) |
| 19:17.26 | unique311 | maybe he spilled his coffee or drink on his keyboard. |
| 19:17.32 | unique311 | and in trying to wipe it clean. |
| 19:17.35 | unique311 | ahhh |
| 19:17.44 | script | vandenoever: maybe ;) |
| 19:17.46 | Tak | ...because he had a seizure when he discovered that his cat was on fire |
| 19:18.05 | unique311 | The world will never know |
| 19:18.08 | solmumaha | a valid assumption |
| 19:18.11 | script | and whotf limited that changelog field to 400 chars |
| 19:18.14 | unique311 | unless he tells us why |
| 19:19.31 | script | but i just discovered a great new way of taking screenshots on a real device |
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| 19:19.50 | Tak | camera + mirror? |
| 19:20.18 | script | ssh to the device, ssh -X back to your workstation and do something like xwd -root |
| 19:20.49 | Tak | there is an actual screenshot app for the device... |
| 19:21.13 | unique311 | mh-shot-tool |
| 19:21.15 | script | consider my procedure "the easy way" ;-) |
| 19:21.17 | unique311 | works really good |
| 19:21.25 | unique311 | and you can uplaod to flickr account with it |
| 19:21.38 | script | do i look like some social-networking-victim? |
| 19:21.39 | Tak | I consider clicking a button "the easy way" :-P |
| 19:21.55 | unique311 | shameless plug. http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/sets/72157603785861583/ |
| 19:22.23 | unique311 | social networking victim, so thats what i'm known as. |
| 19:22.33 | unique311 | I love the facebook. |
| 19:23.01 | script | it's the dead of all privacy ;) |
| 19:23.07 | script | or is it death? |
| 19:23.15 | fugitivo | i'm working on a home plugin for facebook |
| 19:23.30 | Tak | death |
| 19:23.43 | pupnik | vandenoever: in mplayer, enter the url of your stream in the window to the right of the 'play' button, then press play |
| 19:23.47 | unique311 | fugitivo, you will be god in my eyes. |
| 19:23.49 | Tak | it's ok to give up privacy voluntarily |
| 19:23.50 | unique311 | semi-god |
| 19:23.52 | lcuk | dfjtrgjt4jharghhh, sorry for keyboard intrusion - youngest again i thought i had closed this |
| 19:23.56 | oil | unique311: urg. it's nice tool to find old friends, but all the 'hey. this is wonderfull application. install install install it. I send it to my 242 closest friends' .. that's no no. |
| 19:24.00 | vandenoever | pupnik: i'm using the commandline version ... |
| 19:24.02 | fugitivo | just waiting for my n810 to test it... |
| 19:24.17 | unique311 | oil, you choose to install the apps. |
| 19:24.29 | pupnik | btw mplayer doesn't have a 'stop' button if you start a stream that way |
| 19:24.35 | unique311 | some of those apps are hard to resist |
| 19:24.37 | oil | unique311: nope. naturally no. |
| 19:24.43 | vandenoever | pupnik: but xterm does :-) |
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| 19:27.03 | unique311 | oil, I think will facebook, all those little applications are installed by choice. but it is pretty hard not to install them when you friends have them installed, and you need it to be social |
| 19:27.17 | unique311 | s/will/with |
| 19:27.37 | unique311 | don't know how to use that damn bot for the life of me. |
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| 19:28.03 | Tak | it requires the trailing slash, I believe |
| 19:28.05 | unique311 | will = with |
| 19:28.14 | unique311 | s/will/with/ |
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| 19:28.20 | unique311 | lol |
| 19:28.23 | unique311 | ok |
| 19:28.33 | oil | unique311: that's true. therefore I'm waiting for the next big sosial network thing. I added an account by curiosity and to learn about it. |
| 19:29.34 | lcuk | irc is gonna be massive ;) |
| 19:29.38 | unique311 | orkut is pretty cool |
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| 19:29.46 | oil | lcuk: that should be! :) |
| 19:29.47 | unique311 | but not alot of people know about it. |
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| 19:30.16 | unique311 | the google social net |
| 19:30.23 | oil | irc is almost 20 years old now. mature technology :) |
| 19:30.27 | lcuk | orket is big in brazil so i heard |
| 19:30.35 | lcuk | u |
| 19:31.45 | unique311 | big in india also, seems like |
| 19:31.50 | oil | lcuk: the name 'orkut' is not very good for finnish markets. |
| 19:32.26 | Tak | don't keep us in suspense; give us the translation! |
| 19:32.29 | lcuk | oooer what does it mean there |
| 19:32.44 | oil | it basically means 'multiple orgasms' .. well.. maybe good for some sosial networking ;) |
| 19:32.53 | unique311 | orkut or orket |
| 19:33.00 | oil | orkut |
| 19:33.34 | Tak | that sounds like the perfect name for finnish markets |
| 19:33.38 | fysa | hahaha |
| 19:34.27 | oil | keep that in mind if you send invitations to finnish friends ;) |
| 19:35.22 | fugitivo | anyone controlling the air conditioner with LIRC and an IR transmitter? |
| 19:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:36.35 | keesj | fugitivo: lol , no |
| 19:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | If only my cheap-ass window unit were that cool. |
| 19:37.16 | keesj | I only use it for kern-fusion |
| 19:38.06 | fugitivo | i have a hauppauge pvr 250 that came with an IR receiver-transmitter and I want to use it to control my AA making a web interface for my tablet :) |
| 19:40.08 | keesj | cool |
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| 19:49.42 | solmumaha | fugitivo: ir attached to pc with lirc? |
| 19:49.48 | fugitivo | yes |
| 19:50.02 | solmumaha | there is a project at the garage for an ui |
| 19:50.45 | solmumaha | just make lirc listen to a tcp socket |
| 19:51.30 | fugitivo | actually, what I need is programming lirc with the codes for the AA |
| 19:53.59 | solmumaha | you have the remote for it? |
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| 19:54.44 | fugitivo | yes |
| 19:54.56 | solmumaha | well irrecord should do it |
| 19:55.33 | solmumaha | if lirc has drivers for your transceiver |
| 19:55.55 | fugitivo | yes, I'm trying that but I don't remember if lirc is configured OK, I did it long time ago and I remember it was a mess |
| 19:56.04 | fugitivo | I think I'm going to do it from the beggining |
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| 20:10.29 | oever | great, mplayer streaming also kills my wireless router |
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| 20:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like you need a less-crappy router. |
| 20:10.45 | oever | it took more than 1.5 hours for it to do so though |
| 20:10.57 | oever | GeneralAntilles: it comes with the connection, no other option |
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| 20:24.37 | lophyte | I think maybe I'm going to pick up an 8gb sd card |
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| 20:25.00 | lophyte | plenty of room for kde and playing |
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| 20:28.43 | pupnik | looks like the $MV "/home/user/.icons" "/home/user/iconsBAK" trick isn't working on my os2008 |
| 20:28.57 | pupnik | for synergy |
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| 20:34.39 | lophyte | hrm, if I get an 8gb sd card, I can split it in half, 4gb for generic storage and 4gb for kde |
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| 20:54.44 | lcuk_2 | does anyone use Anjuta as their ide and does it handle maemo projects well? |
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| 21:08.32 | Tama^2 | join #maemo-it |
| 21:08.39 | Tama^2 | err |
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| 21:08.53 | Tama^2 | Hello ^^; |
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| 21:18.40 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.51 | Tak | equally good |
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| 21:21.44 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 21:22.29 | zookie | hi :o |
| 21:23.11 | sbaturzio | well...I've solved my problem of one month ago |
| 21:23.38 | Tak | calendar out of sync? |
| 21:23.42 | sbaturzio | the problem was connecting the N800 to my linux pc with the usb cable |
| 21:23.50 | sbaturzio | only one SD card was visibile |
| 21:24.02 | sbaturzio | now I've solved adding the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y option to the kernel |
| 21:24.03 | sbaturzio | :) |
| 21:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | I think Nokia updated the released code. |
| 21:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | I know fanoush had some trouble with the modified 50-2 kernel. |
| 21:24.37 | sbaturzio | in other words: linux must probe more Logical Unit on the SCSI device to enable both SD cards |
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| 21:25.50 | Tak | wow - I can't believe that wasn't enabled by default |
| 21:27.25 | sbaturzio | Tak: you mean that option on kernel? I'm using a custom kernel O:-) |
| 21:27.44 | lcuk_2 | would that be visible to windows or is the drive formatted as something else? |
| 21:28.37 | Tak | I'm surprised it's not enabled by default when you enable scsi |
| 21:29.10 | Tak | and if it was, allow me to quote Grandma Milhouse: "Idioto!" :-P |
| 21:29.26 | sbaturzio | Tak: don't know if that option is enabled by default, my .config is really messed up |
| 21:29.43 | Tak | lcuk: I used to use anjuta; it handled most c and c++ makefile- and autotools-based projects pretty well |
| 21:29.47 | sbaturzio | Tak: better "Idiota!" :-D |
| 21:31.26 | Tak | are you telling me that you're female, or that the simpsons were wrong? |
| 21:31.26 | lcuk_2 | tak, i gather then i can get it setup to produce maemo applications? it seems a little more targeted than exclipse which has always felt like a trainwreck to me |
| 21:32.26 | Tak | is it possible? yes. is is trivial? dunno |
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| 21:33.11 | lcuk_2 | fair enough, ill have a looksee. |
| 21:33.32 | sbaturzio | Tak: there is no "idioto", it's a non existant word |
| 21:34.01 | sbaturzio | Tak: "idiota" could be used for male and female |
| 21:34.02 | Tak | That's it - I'm never watching the simpsons again. |
| 21:34.11 | zookie | :/ |
| 21:34.25 | zookie | scary idea |
| 21:35.16 | zookie | thats like never reading dilbert again :/ |
| 21:35.27 | sbaturzio | or userfriendly |
| 21:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's been about 7 seasons since the Simpsons were funny. |
| 21:37.02 | zookie | well, takes some time tilll newer seasons are shown on german tv ;) |
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| 21:44.14 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: You seem to have rather strong opinions. The N810 sucks, Simpson isn't funny and life was better ~ 10 years ago? ;) Well, I still like both. |
| 21:45.06 | |tbb| | blasfasel hey |
| 21:45.08 | zookie | well life was better 10 years ago :) being 21 then |
| 21:45.59 | |tbb| | what about iodine |
| 21:46.17 | Blafasel | |tbb|: Good that you mention it. Give me a sec, I'll start it right away. |
| 21:46.24 | Blafasel | zookie: hrhr.. Nice one. |
| 21:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | Life was better ten years ago? |
| 21:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | What's the matter with strong opinions, anyway? |
| 21:53.09 | Blafasel | Okay, I pulled one third of my claims out of my a.. ;) |
| 21:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say so, 10 years ago I was 10 |
| 21:53.43 | Blafasel | Nothing, they are quite common. Especially in IT, imo. |
| 21:54.57 | Blafasel | |tbb|: My AP doesn't like me right now, have to check what's up.. |
| 21:55.23 | zookie | mm 10... funny age |
| 21:56.06 | zookie | there were no mobiles when i was 10... lovely :) |
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| 21:58.57 | zookie | Blafasel, just hit it with a stick |
| 22:00.06 | Blafasel | zookie: Did, works now ;) |
| 22:00.14 | zookie | ;) |
| 22:00.19 | Blafasel | |tbb|: Hmm.. Doesn't work for me, different versions. |
| 22:00.40 | |tbb| | yeah u need 4.0 |
| 22:01.12 | Blafasel | 0.4.1 on the server.. 0.4.0 isn't even offered as package. *sigh* |
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| 22:11.43 | zookie | omg |
| 22:11.48 | zookie | beer's empty |
| 22:12.52 | Blafasel | 2 left here. More than enough, given how tired I am.. |
| 22:13.31 | zookie | well one left, im just too lazy to get it :/ |
| 22:15.41 | zookie | mm need a fag |
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| 22:19.18 | |tbb| | anyone knows how to send messagebox to maemo-desktop with dbus-send |
| 22:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | Very carefully, |tbb|. :P |
| 22:20.44 | zookie | true that |
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| 22:20.54 | zookie | it might bite :/ |
| 22:21.09 | Tama^2 | yes it does not like to be messaged xD |
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| 22:24.14 | |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: what you mean? |
| 22:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | Read as: I don't know. ;) |
| 22:26.05 | Tama^2 | I remember reading how to do it but I cannot recall where I read it |
| 22:30.09 | |tbb| | ihave found something inz should know more about it, but this dont work on chinook for me |
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| 22:33.58 | zookie | :o |
| 22:35.04 | Blafasel | One more beer and then off to bed.. And tomorrow I'll start to read about wifi drivers. Hopefully? Damn, it's hard to overcome one's own lazyness. |
| 22:35.20 | lcuk | its strange how i need to sleep ealier at weekends than in the wekpek |
| 22:35.26 | zookie | wifi is evil |
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| 22:38.00 | zookie | mm just found another beer :D |
| 22:38.21 | Blafasel | ;) |
| 22:40.06 | zookie | mm girlfriend just arrived in london, hope she doesn't expect an answer to her sms ^_^ |
| 22:41.04 | Blafasel | hrhr. Where're you from? |
| 22:41.44 | zookie | hamburg, germany |
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| 22:42.01 | spirytusick | re all |
| 22:42.32 | zookie | yo spirytusick whassup |
| 22:43.08 | spirytusick | cruisin.. :) |
| 22:45.28 | Lurianic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.39 | Lurianic | s/moble/mobile |
| 22:47.46 | zookie | no |
| 22:47.49 | zookie | its evil |
| 22:48.08 | Blafasel | Just listening to HH based music ;) |
| 22:49.06 | zookie | dynamite deluxe? kettcar? something completely different? ;P |
| 22:49.34 | Blafasel | Wow, quite good.. |
| 22:49.52 | Lurianic | isp's are evil |
| 22:50.04 | Lurianic | so, universal order is maintained. |
| 22:50.24 | zookie | mm dynamite deluxe? new album? |
| 22:50.25 | Blafasel | I'll visit Dynamite Deluxe as soon as they're going to play in Cologne (Feb/March, iirc), but I currently listen to last.fm, "Eins Zwo" ;) |
| 22:50.40 | zookie | mm dendemann |
| 22:50.54 | zookie | good choice :) |
| 22:51.13 | Blafasel | Aye. Saw him live, he's great! |
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| 22:51.40 | zookie | well i hope i'll get some dd-tickets for march ^_^ |
| 22:51.53 | Blafasel | Good luck ;) |
| 22:52.01 | zookie | heh |
| 22:52.19 | zookie | 1st concert is sold out already :/ |
| 22:52.30 | pupnik | somebody should make a tracker/rhythmbox app for the tablets |
| 22:52.36 | zookie | you know curse? |
| 22:52.40 | Blafasel | Where? |
| 22:52.43 | Blafasel | Sure I do.. |
| 22:52.44 | t_s_o | hmm, modest is being troublesome... |
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| 22:53.16 | Blafasel | I currently happen to wear a T-Shirt with a barely readable (washed out) signature of Curse.. |
| 22:53.25 | t_s_o | fisrt it crashed when downloading one of my pop accounts, and now it just refuse to download anything from the same account... |
| 22:53.35 | zookie | nice :) |
| 22:53.47 | Blafasel | Yep, Splash! is nice ,) |
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| 22:54.16 | zookie | yeah, most of my friends aren't into hiphop though :( |
| 22:54.53 | Blafasel | *shrug* Last time (3rd Splash! visit for me) none of my friends hat the time/money, so I went there alone. It was still great. |
| 22:55.12 | zookie | sure it is :) |
| 22:55.20 | Blafasel | It's not like you're alone on a (small, yeah, but..) 25 thousand person festival |
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| 22:56.24 | zookie | nothing wrong with having a sexy girl around you though ;D |
| 22:56.57 | Blafasel | Uhm.. You know that there are a bunch of those anyway? ;) |
| 22:57.41 | zookie | as long as they're not kiddies ;P |
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| 22:59.07 | zookie | ppl in hamburg listening to hiphop are quite scary sometimes ;P more like gangstaz |
| 22:59.16 | Blafasel | Naah.. |
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| 23:06.45 | zookie | yeah really |
| 23:07.47 | LastLemming | any news about the after N810? |
| 23:08.13 | LastLemming | wimax? |
| 23:11.52 | pupnik | wimax is planned |
| 23:12.20 | zookie | w00t |
| 23:12.32 | LastLemming | hey what mean w00t ? |
| 23:12.52 | zookie | n810 is far too expensive though |
| 23:12.54 | czr | wild double-zero tool |
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| 23:13.10 | czr | or sometimes wet double-zero tool. |
| 23:13.17 | czr | depends whether you're talking about before or after. |
| 23:13.30 | zookie | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woot |
| 23:13.45 | LastLemming | thx |
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| 23:16.15 | LastLemming | next nokia will ship for next 6 months? |
| 23:16.47 | zookie | o_O |
| 23:17.12 | LastLemming | after* |
| 23:18.28 | LastLemming | n810 got regression like the cam and no fm tuner |
| 23:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid WiMAX . . . OMAP3 or bust! |
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| 23:20.50 | pupnik | wimax is a niche |
| 23:21.02 | Blafasel | I love the N810, but the missing airreply injection support is really evil and would've stopped me from buying it. I just didn't know it before.. |
| 23:21.32 | zookie | quite funny, amazon.de sells the n800 for 404,- EUR now :o |
| 23:21.56 | Blafasel | zookie: Whaaa? Yeah, really cheap. Not. |
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| 23:22.11 | zookie | well |
| 23:22.12 | LastLemming | n800 around 230€ |
| 23:22.26 | zookie | thats more like it |
| 23:22.37 | zookie | got mine for EUR240,- |
| 23:23.02 | LastLemming | I don't know what I should do |
| 23:23.07 | LastLemming | get n800 |
| 23:23.15 | tekonivel | I paid 250 iirc |
| 23:23.19 | Tama^2 | Nokia online shop had n800 for about 249 Euro |
| 23:23.24 | LastLemming | or wait for next one |
| 23:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | N800 > N810 if you don't mind using the fullscreen keyboard. |
| 23:23.58 | Tama^2 | yea, that or a BT keyboard |
| 23:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I use the N800's fullscreen keyboard with great success. |
| 23:24.17 | tekonivel | Usb kb too, right? |
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| 23:24.24 | LastLemming | when will next one will ship? |
| 23:24.29 | zookie | why would i use a bt keyboard? ;P |
| 23:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, no real info, but my guess is that it can't possibly be more than 8 months from now. |
| 23:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | N810 wasn't a real upgrade over the N800. |
| 23:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | So we're kinda due for one. |
| 23:25.16 | tekonivel | zookie: so i can eavesdrop on ur passwds :) |
| 23:25.32 | Blafasel | That's not a fact but an impression. |
| 23:25.50 | LastLemming | yes if the next one it's just got small update too I should get n800 right now instead to wait |
| 23:25.53 | zookie | oh i dont use passwds ;D |
| 23:26.00 | Blafasel | I wouldn't want to trade the 810 for a 800. Yes, the keyboard is the main reason |
| 23:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, I can get two N800's for the price of an N810 that'll have less storage. |
| 23:26.37 | GeneralAntilles | Not worth it. |
| 23:26.46 | zookie | quite funny though, you cant buy an amazon.de n800 for decent money atm |
| 23:26.57 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Subjective. The storage isn't worth a dime for me. |
| 23:27.20 | LastLemming | the n810 can't rotate like n800 |
| 23:27.28 | LastLemming | and no fm tuner |
| 23:27.31 | Blafasel | That's the whole point of these devices for me: Everyone can use it their way. |
| 23:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, keyboard and outdoor visibility would be the only reason to buy an N810. |
| 23:29.16 | Blafasel | The N800 supports GPS as well, right? |
| 23:29.26 | LastLemming | oh yeah GPS |
| 23:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | It supports bluetooth, yes. |
| 23:29.29 | zookie | mmm holux m1200 |
| 23:29.33 | Blafasel | So - no? |
| 23:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke. |
| 23:29.42 | Blafasel | Really, I don't know it. |
| 23:29.44 | LastLemming | m1200 it's the next one? |
| 23:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | 5+ minute cold-starts for a lot of people. |
| 23:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, Holux M1200 is a Bluetooth GPS. |
| 23:30.05 | LastLemming | ah ok |
| 23:30.05 | Blafasel | Hm? Live test.. ;-) |
| 23:30.08 | zookie | and works |
| 23:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | "for a lot of people" |
| 23:30.48 | zookie | welll except for GeneralAntilles |
| 23:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | I was quoting my self in response to Blafasel. |
| 23:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | My i-blue 737 is absolutely fantastic. |
| 23:31.24 | LastLemming | GeneralAntilles, are you from Antilles islands? |
| 23:31.25 | Blafasel | *shrug* Either it's a device thing (for most/all people) or a regional/receiver thing. I never used it til today, my car has its own gps/nav anyway. |
| 23:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | Incredibly accurate, great battery life, fast acquisition. |
| 23:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, it's a Star Wars thing. |
| 23:31.43 | LastLemming | oh |
| 23:31.54 | Blafasel | But just for fun I'll start the maps app right now here in my flat. No idea if it gets a lock at all.. |
| 23:32.12 | zookie | most likely |
| 23:32.13 | zookie | not |
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| 23:32.32 | Blafasel | Hmm.. No idea, really. |
| 23:32.43 | Blafasel | Running, searching for sats. |
| 23:34.25 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Seems like this experiment support the poor performance ;) |
| 23:34.57 | Blafasel | No lock yet, no useable results. Fascinating. |
| 23:35.26 | tekonivel | Blafasel: demo fx |
| 23:35.55 | zookie | build your own sattelites! |
| 23:35.55 | Blafasel | Hm? |
| 23:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, like I said, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke. |
| 23:37.09 | MagicFab_ | Hi all |
| 23:37.19 | MagicFab_ | How can I reset my N810 ssh password ? |
| 23:37.20 | zookie | yo MagicFab_ |
| 23:37.39 | MagicFab_ | I am afraid I was a bit too fast in setting it up when I Installed the package. |
| 23:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, install becomeroot, the do: sudo gainroot |
| 23:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | passwd from there. |
| 23:39.00 | tekonivel | MagicFab_: i was about to suggest to become root and run passwd... I guess out of the question :/ |
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| 23:39.16 | MagicFab_ | ok, the usual. |
| 23:39.36 | spirytusick | all: is there a way of enabling red pill mode from the commandline ? |
| 23:39.49 | MagicFab_ | Another quickie.. where can I find the Pidgin data ? It's usually on ~/.purple on a desktop account |
| 23:40.41 | GeneralAntilles | spirytusick, does red-pill do anything from the command line? |
| 23:41.04 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: I have no idea, but I suppose it should... |
| 23:41.48 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: or perhaps it might just be the feature of the package manager |
| 23:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | That's kinda what I was figuring, but I'm not sure. |
| 23:42.13 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: and you probably are right... |
| 23:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | You may not be able to force certain packages like you can in red-pill. |
| 23:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't done any direct testing there. |
| 23:42.32 | spirytusick | ne neither but I think I will |
| 23:42.40 | MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, tekonivel - I am in :) tx. |
| 23:42.47 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 23:43.39 | spirytusick | with the mess with some of the packages having fixed dependencies it is a pain sometimes |
| 23:43.52 | zookie | packages suck |
| 23:44.07 | matmo_ | could anyone using the vmware appliance check a couple of things for me? I would like to know the amount of free disk space, the space taken up by the /scratchbox dir and if you have a duplicate ¨scratchbox" dir in /scratchbox/users/maemo? |
| 23:44.54 | matmo_ | (by duplicate I mean same inode as /scratchbox) |
| 23:50.43 | MagicFab_ | What would be a good text editor for a "nano, non-vi" person like me ? |
| 23:50.53 | czr | nano? :-) |
| 23:51.14 | MagicFab_ | :D |
| 23:51.32 | tekonivel | MagicFab_: what's wrong with vi??? :) |
| 23:51.38 | LastLemming | vim |
| 23:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:51.52 | tekonivel | MagicFab_: ex |
| 23:51.57 | czr | ed! |
| 23:51.58 | zookie | root sux |
| 23:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, just learn it, you'll be happy once you do. :P |
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| 23:53.02 | MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, I thought you knew about this stuff |
| 23:53.09 | LastLemming | big chance OMAP3 for next nokia? |
| 23:53.19 | zookie | mmm stuf |
| 23:53.22 | zookie | +f |
| 23:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, it's mostly logical deduction. |
| 23:53.45 | GeneralAntilles | There's no chance of them moving to x86 |
| 23:53.48 | tekonivel | I don't even know which editors are readdily available in maemp |
| 23:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | and there aren't really any other ARM platforms for them to move to. |
| 23:54.32 | LastLemming | n800 and n810 it's same one |
| 23:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | They can't possibly get away with releasing another one on OMAP2. |
| 23:54.44 | LastLemming | and big diff |
| 23:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | So it pretty much has to be OMAP3 |
| 23:54.54 | LastLemming | no big diff |
| 23:54.59 | tekonivel | How about crusoe? |
| 23:55.14 | LastLemming | with OMAP3 it will be a big diff so? |
| 23:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | Specifically the OMAP3430 |
| 23:55.38 | LastLemming | it will like the jump 770 to 800 |
| 23:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bigger |
| 23:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Why? No more 3rd-party LCD controllers. :D |
| 23:56.00 | pupnik | bingo |
| 23:56.09 | GeneralAntilles | Which almost certainly means hardware video-decoding and OpenGL acceleration. |
| 23:56.13 | GeneralAntilles | (makes me giddy just thinking about it) |
| 23:56.36 | LastLemming | so I should wait, and keep enough money for the next one :) |
| 23:56.46 | tekonivel | And video out, plskthx |
| 23:57.06 | MagicFab_ | Interesting. Searching for "n810 nano" turned up this: |
| 23:57.07 | MagicFab_ | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=213 |
| 23:57.07 | GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, if you can get an N800 on-the-cheap |
| 23:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | I would do so. |
| 23:57.18 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: Why do you think they decided not to use opengl and video acc with n8x0 ? |
| 23:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't a decision. |
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| 23:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | It was a necessity. |
| 23:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | At least as far as I can guess. |
| 23:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware is limiting it. |
| 23:57.50 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: power wise ? |
| 23:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd-party LCD controller. |
| 23:58.40 | spirytusick | well, pitty but we'll have to live with it |
| 23:59.20 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: so basically, the lcd controller is not compatibile with the gen acc ? |
| 23:59.40 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: strange though that the os2007 had at least partial acceleration for the video |
| 23:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 23:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | No it didn't. |
| 23:59.56 | spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: os2008 has much smaller selection of dsp tasks |
