| 00:00.12 | lcuk | i will do it in a bit |
| 00:00.18 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:00.20 | AlphaLux | no problem |
| 00:01.36 | lcuk | 810 keyboard, bright in places, dark in others. some of the blue chrs are not fully visible. damn annoying |
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| 00:02.49 | lcuk | right, vanishing for a bit. thanks |
| 00:02.51 | pupnik | how many people here want to donate to zodttd to help him buy a N800? |
| 00:03.02 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | What is zodttd gonna give me in return? |
| 00:03.19 | NeoStrider_ | pupnik: Im in need of some donations too ;-P |
| 00:03.44 | AlphaLux | I almost broke down and got the n800, but I held out until after Christmas for the 810 |
| 00:03.45 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: a playstation in your pocket? |
| 00:03.47 | NeoStrider_ | any1 from canada here? |
| 00:04.18 | pupnik | they use computers in canada? |
| 00:04.24 | AlphaLux | NeoStrider_, Ohio, pretty close, but not |
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| 00:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | They have internet in Canada? |
| 00:04.46 | maddler | well... we have it in Italy... :D |
| 00:04.50 | maddler | well... almost :D |
| 00:04.53 | NeoStrider_ | in Brazil too =-P |
| 00:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, I did that wrong. They have electricity in Canada? |
| 00:05.10 | NeoStrider_ | maddler: we have something we call internet...if its the same internet you guys have, I dont know |
| 00:05.28 | elb | be nice to Canada |
| 00:05.34 | elb | their dollar is worth more than hours |
| 00:05.35 | NeoStrider_ | GeneralAntilles: so , asking about N800 availability in canada may be worthless? |
| 00:05.36 | elb | erk |
| 00:05.37 | elb | ours |
| 00:06.10 | elb | oh wait, no, they're below parity again |
| 00:06.25 | elb | I say they get a bye until it's under $0.90 |
| 00:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | I say it's time to annex. |
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| 00:09.07 | |tbb| | what do i need tor run dbus-send commands from commandline, any additional packets |
| 00:11.45 | NeoStrider_ | I just bought some canadian dollars |
| 00:11.49 | NeoStrider_ | they're more expensive |
| 00:12.15 | NeoStrider_ | so I plan to get a N800 when I get there |
| 00:12.32 | NeoStrider_ | but its getting hard to device between N800+Eee PC or N810 |
| 00:12.45 | elb | the current exchange rate says US$1 = CA$1.03 |
| 00:13.16 | pupnik | my eyes keep trying to focus on the darn idnt xephyr background |
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| 00:13.41 | pupnik | you visiting canada for fun or business NeoStrider_ ? |
| 00:14.03 | NeoStrider_ | student exchange program |
| 00:14.13 | NeoStrider_ | improve my english skills |
| 00:14.40 | NeoStrider_ | and maybe look for some university to have a sandwich master graduation |
| 00:14.59 | NeoStrider_ | (unoficial mission in canada: get a N8x0 hehe) |
| 00:17.24 | AlphaLux | anyone find a ruby package for chinook? I see only bora on garage |
| 00:17.43 | pupnik | congrats NeoStrider_ :) |
| 00:17.55 | NeoStrider_ | =-) |
| 00:18.23 | NeoStrider_ | now I want some opinion from you guys? |
| 00:18.25 | NeoStrider_ | : |
| 00:18.30 | NeoStrider_ | s/?/: ;-) |
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| 00:18.43 | NeoStrider_ | about First Person Shooter control on the devices |
| 00:18.52 | NeoStrider_ | what you guys think it should be like? |
| 00:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | See Quake 2, it's fantasmagastic. |
| 00:19.14 | AlphaLux | damn, I'm so used to kbd, mouse..it would be hard without a mouse |
| 00:19.19 | pupnik | ever since pipeline implemented my stylus control idea, it rules :) |
| 00:20.01 | pupnik | he did a great job - looking with the stylus works extremely well. on the n810 the problem is jumping and shooting while strafing/moving |
| 00:20.20 | AlphaLux | ah yeah I guess you could think of something like the nintendo ds |
| 00:21.41 | NeoStrider_ | I cant see it... I just have a 770 |
| 00:22.02 | pupnik | for me, almost any action game is out of the question with these controls. strategy / puzzle / rpg is fine tho |
| 00:22.25 | pupnik | NeoStrider_: his quake1 runs ok on 770 |
| 00:22.34 | NeoStrider_ | where to get it!?!?!?! |
| 00:23.05 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10064 Quake 1 for 800 and 770 |
| 00:27.24 | NeoStrider_ | downloading |
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| 00:31.02 | maddler | ok... time to go play Advance Wars on my nds! :D |
| 00:31.17 | pupnik | what the heck... i don't even REMEMBER creating autotools / configure for this game |
| 00:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | I warned you about coding drunk, pupnik. |
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| 00:34.46 | pupnik | hehe |
| 00:34.51 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, you're from Brazil? |
| 00:35.09 | NeoStrider_ | GeneralAntilles: drunk codding rox! |
| 00:35.14 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: yes! |
| 00:35.23 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: Rio de Janeiro |
| 00:35.28 | NeoStrider_ | and u? |
| 00:35.34 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, me too :D |
| 00:35.43 | NeoStrider_ | RJ? |
| 00:36.23 | Xamusk | yes |
| 00:38.50 | Xamusk | I'm scrambling to get myself an N8X0 too |
| 00:39.54 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: "qual bairro" ? |
| 00:40.18 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, botafogo, you? |
| 00:40.23 | NeoStrider_ | Niterói |
| 00:40.37 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: do you have any project? |
| 00:40.42 | NeoStrider_ | (are you a developer?) |
| 00:40.48 | Xamusk | sort of :D |
| 00:40.57 | Xamusk | amateur stuff |
| 00:41.10 | Xamusk | nothing really useful |
| 00:41.38 | NeoStrider_ | show me =-) |
| 00:42.24 | Xamusk | I've got nothing online |
| 00:42.33 | Xamusk | by amateur I mean home stuff |
| 00:42.36 | NeoStrider_ | but what is it? |
| 00:42.42 | NeoStrider_ | mine is amateur too |
| 00:42.59 | NeoStrider_ | Im (still) working on a armagetron-like game |
| 00:43.06 | NeoStrider_ | http://angstron.garage.maemo.org |
| 00:43.10 | Xamusk | I was doing a visualization software for my wife some days ago, but stopped it |
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| 00:43.41 | Xamusk | by the way, I don't use maemo, as I don't have a N8X0 yet |
| 00:43.48 | Xamusk | they're too expensive here |
| 00:43.57 | NeoStrider_ | 1000 reais |
| 00:44.07 | NeoStrider_ | way expensive |
| 00:44.11 | Xamusk | whoa, I haven't found for less than 1300 |
| 00:44.18 | NeoStrider_ | wow |
| 00:44.34 | Xamusk | anyway, 1000 is still to much for me now |
| 00:44.34 | NeoStrider_ | got a 770 from developer device program, about 2 years ago |
| 00:44.42 | NeoStrider_ | but I need a newer device |
| 00:44.46 | Xamusk | cool |
| 00:44.49 | NeoStrider_ | the N8x0 are way diferent |
| 00:45.20 | NeoStrider_ | and my focus is mostly maemo-centric |
| 00:45.26 | NeoStrider_ | but I've done other stuff too |
| 00:45.40 | NeoStrider_ | what is that vis-software you've done? 3D? |
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| 00:46.08 | Xamusk | yes |
| 00:46.21 | NeoStrider_ | cool |
| 00:46.31 | Xamusk | I tried to use pygtk and soya |
| 00:46.36 | NeoStrider_ | Im working on 3D for mobile for some time |
| 00:46.46 | NeoStrider_ | I did my own engine in C++ ;-) |
| 00:47.02 | Xamusk | too bad nokia doesn't have acceleration hardware |
| 00:47.19 | elb | I think it does, actually |
| 00:47.22 | elb | but no drivers |
| 00:47.22 | Xamusk | anyway, now I'm a bit more focused on electronics |
| 00:47.27 | Xamusk | oh |
| 00:47.50 | Xamusk | what's a hw worth if there are no drivers, specially not even from the manufacturer |
| 00:48.01 | NeoStrider_ | my fun is actully reinventing the wheel |
| 00:48.44 | pupnik | woo got my first profile data out in 2008. bizarre the .gcda needs to write to /scratchbox/ccache/tmp.hash.maemo-sdk.23020.gcda file |
| 00:49.02 | pupnik | so that dir needs to be created on the device and user-writeable |
| 00:50.35 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, I even got someone to sell me a used N800, but have no way to ship it from the USA to me |
| 00:51.23 | NeoStrider_ | but you have anything in mind for the devices? or just its coolness factor that appels to you? |
| 00:52.04 | pupnik | i think ppl into 3d should definitely look at NeoStrider_ 's stuff :) |
| 00:52.41 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, first I want an eBook reader, then a schedule, then comes the coolness factor to be able to make my own apps for it (specially since it supports python), then I would like to learn usb to use the device as a controller in host mode |
| 00:52.44 | NeoStrider_ | pupnik: not that much..Im still researching a new algorithm for my grad thesis, so things change too fast in my code =-) |
| 00:53.34 | NeoStrider_ | but it has a advantage over other algorithms ,like BSP and portals...Im lazy, so Im researching an algorithm that must be easy to code |
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| 00:55.11 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, computer science? |
| 00:55.19 | NeoStrider_ | yes |
| 00:55.20 | NeoStrider_ | UFF |
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| 00:55.24 | NeoStrider_ | and u? |
| 00:55.43 | Xamusk | electronic engineering, IME |
| 00:55.49 | NeoStrider_ | way cool! |
| 00:55.53 | kvin_ | anyone u know any phone help channel? |
| 00:56.09 | kvin_ | anyone know phone help channel? |
| 00:56.24 | NeoStrider_ | kvin_: ??? |
| 00:56.31 | pupnik | i should set-up a pay-channel on my home line |
| 00:56.36 | glass | what kind of help? and repeating stuff is not a good way to get help |
| 00:56.37 | kvin_ | i mean a help channel |
| 00:56.43 | kvin_ | for phones |
| 00:56.44 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, last year I went to a symposium in UFF |
| 00:56.50 | kvin_ | sorry |
| 00:57.03 | kvin_ | help for error |
| 00:57.09 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: hummm...what was it |
| 00:57.14 | kvin_ | technical problem |
| 00:57.34 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, it was about automation |
| 00:58.11 | NeoStrider_ | I cant really remember..but it must be from the Engeenering School |
| 00:58.17 | Xamusk | yes it was |
| 00:58.22 | NeoStrider_ | Computers Institute is more theorical |
| 00:58.23 | kvin_ | ah |
| 00:58.40 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, do you take classes from prof Nelson? |
| 00:58.41 | NeoStrider_ | but I got my hands dirty on a robotic arm + 8051 ;-) |
| 00:58.45 | NeoStrider_ | not really |
| 00:58.56 | Xamusk | I think he teaches Calculus there |
| 00:59.44 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, a robotic arm? cool... I'm still learning electronics, and I'm using avr at home |
| 00:59.57 | NeoStrider_ | I had classes with prof John Reed |
| 01:00.07 | NeoStrider_ | do you know him? |
| 01:00.08 | nelson | Xamusk: I do? |
| 01:00.11 | Xamusk | but I'm still perfecting the methods to make PCBs |
| 01:01.00 | Xamusk | nelson, another nelson? |
| 01:01.27 | nelson | well, I'm the first (and best, if I may say) russ nelson on the 'net. |
| 01:01.31 | nelson | All others are imposters. |
| 01:01.33 | NeoStrider_ | hahahhaha |
| 01:01.47 | NeoStrider_ | nelson: I guess you dont teach calculus back in Brazil, Right? |
| 01:01.47 | nelson | google for "russ nelson" |
| 01:02.13 | nelson | errr, no, that would be someone else. But it does help explain why Brazilians always expect 'nelson' to speak portuguese |
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| 01:02.47 | NeoStrider_ | nelson is very common name among us |
| 01:02.52 | NeoStrider_ | but as a first name |
| 01:03.23 | nelson | yep, I had already figured that out. Nao~ falo portuguese. |
| 01:03.42 | Xamusk | that would be "não falo português" |
| 01:03.47 | Xamusk | :) |
| 01:04.47 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: give him a break...he does know we dont speak spanish...that's almost a miracle! |
| 01:05.09 | elb | haha |
| 01:05.09 | Xamusk | NeoStrider_, I know, but I'm picky ;) |
| 01:05.21 | nelson | Xamusk: oh, yeah, typing portuguese with a portuguesean keyboard, that's almost like cheating. |
| 01:05.26 | NeoStrider_ | hahahha |
| 01:05.45 | NeoStrider_ | try coding a college work on a english kbd ;-P |
| 01:05.54 | nelson | NeoStrider_: I thought all Brazilians spoke Spanish ..... too. |
| 01:06.05 | NeoStrider_ | Xamusk: you use GL, right |
| 01:06.06 | NeoStrider_ | ? |
| 01:06.16 | Xamusk | actually, I hate brazillian keyboards... I have mine set as international english, and all the accents and special keys are in other places, but I type without looking at the keyboard |
| 01:06.20 | NeoStrider_ | nelson: we came from the portuguese, not the spanish people ;-) |
| 01:06.27 | elb | Xamusk: amen |
| 01:06.36 | Xamusk | and I do speak a little spanish 3:-) |
| 01:06.36 | elb | I mean, I don't know what a brazilian keyboard layout is |
| 01:06.45 | nelson | NeoStrider_: yeah, but you're surrounded by people who hablan espan~ol. |
| 01:06.54 | elb | but I have *never* seen a keyboard layout which wasn't strictly less reasonable than US int'l |
| 01:07.01 | NeoStrider_ | elb: not that diferent...but we have ç as a key after L |
| 01:07.11 | elb | (at least, for a programmer) |
| 01:07.13 | nelson | elb: try typing on a french keyboard. |
| 01:07.25 | nelson | elb: swedish is a little better, but not much. |
| 01:07.32 | NeoStrider_ | nelson: not really...I indeed forgot the spanish I learn't at school for the lack of pratice |
| 01:07.34 | Xamusk | my laptop came with a "brazillian" keyboard, but the darn thing skipped a key and I would have to use AltGr to type a slash, which would be awful for a linux user |
| 01:07.55 | elb | I've only used .uk, .au, .jp, and .ru keyboards for any period of time -- they're all entirely unreasonable |
| 01:08.00 | nelson | turkish is REALLY bad, because their 'i' is an undotted i, which is a completely different character than 0x69. |
| 01:08.39 | elb | fortunately, if the physical keys are in reasonable places, xkb to the rescue ;-) |
| 01:08.42 | Xamusk | nelson, what about dvorak? |
| 01:08.54 | elb | *un*fortunately, on a lot of keyboards the Enter key is entirely ridiculous |
| 01:09.03 | nelson | their dotted i is down below the comma key. hopeless for typing ASCII. |
| 01:09.53 | nelson | Xamusk: not clear that dvorak is an improvement. I type pretty darned fast on a Kinesis Essential keyboard. |
| 01:10.02 | NeoStrider_ | model M rules heheh |
| 01:10.17 | nelson | keys are in straight lines, dished, and at shoulder width. common keys are underneath the thumbs. |
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| 01:10.46 | NeoStrider_ | hey...wrong window to type CTRL+W heheh |
| 01:10.54 | nelson | and then there's the Chordite model I'm designing. http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite |
| 01:10.59 | ds3 | is there an up to date page for adding PAN support to OS2008? |
| 01:11.18 | NeoStrider_ | I KNOW YOUR BLOG!!! |
| 01:11.21 | NeoStrider_ | it rocks! |
| 01:11.43 | NeoStrider_ | have seen it before |
| 01:12.05 | nelson | yeah, it's in planet.maemo.org/ |
| 01:12.17 | nelson | (which is great to read) |
| 01:12.40 | nelson | NeoStrider_: yeah, they're STILL not in production. But I'm getting there. |
| 01:12.54 | NeoStrider_ | can I purchase one hahah? |
| 01:13.27 | nelson | well, yeah, once I get the design right, so that it's 1) adjustable and yet 2) sturdy. |
| 01:14.08 | elb | does it blow up? |
| 01:16.00 | nelson | No, it's only going to have AAA batteries. |
| 01:16.06 | nelson | Little potential for explosion there. |
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| 01:16.54 | elb | man, you led me on |
| 01:16.54 | elb | with the name |
| 01:16.57 | nelson | ahhhhh, it's a chording keyboard, and it's small, so -ite. chord-ite. |
| 01:17.11 | nelson | Not cordite, chordite. |
| 01:17.21 | elb | (right, I get it -- Cordite is a form of smokeless gunpowder used by the British in the early 20th century) |
| 01:18.53 | bkruse | elb: from pidgin? |
| 01:19.34 | elb | bkruse: yes |
| 01:19.54 | bkruse | elb: I did not know you helped on the maemo project also. Did you port pidgin? I know you from the pidgin community |
| 01:20.01 | bkruse | I did the click-to-dial asterisk stuff with pidgin |
| 01:20.02 | ds3 | cordite keyboards? |
| 01:20.05 | bkruse | you helped me :] |
| 01:20.06 | elb | I don't really, yet |
| 01:20.11 | elb | and no, I didn't port Pidgin, _|Nix|_ did |
| 01:20.38 | nelson | ds3: hehe, no, chordite. |
| 01:20.44 | bkruse | gotcha, well, good seein you :] |
| 01:21.07 | elb | I have Big Plans for maemo development |
| 01:21.11 | elb | but I have big plans for a lot of things |
| 01:21.13 | elb | and little time ;-) |
| 01:21.25 | Xamusk | how does that cordite thing communicates? bluetooth? |
| 01:21.40 | bkruse | elb: same |
| 01:21.48 | bkruse | mine is the iax client for maemo |
| 01:21.54 | lcuk_2 | nelson, reading your latest entry on the chordite thing where you don't see viable method for monitoring the tendons, make a note that people wear a wrist watch every day which presses on just the area you would need to monitor. |
| 01:22.03 | elb | nice |
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| 01:22.24 | bkruse | elb: let me know if you ever need some help and if I have some free time. Pidgin is up there no my fav projects :] |
| 01:22.50 | elb | glad to hear it |
| 01:22.58 | lcuk_2 | it looks good by the way, i have often wondered if i could make use of some kind of chording keyboard but never had the motivation to actually build one. props to you :) |
| 01:23.47 | nelson | lcuk_2: been playing with them for at least twenty years now. |
| 01:24.09 | nelson | lcuk_2: they're specialized thingies, so you need the right circumstances to justify the learning curve. |
| 01:25.18 | lcuk_2 | i dont doubt it. i put it on the same curve as dvorak. looks impossible at first and you wonder how people could swap, but once you make the jump you wonder how you coped before. (still qwerty for myself though..) |
| 01:25.52 | ds3 | no one has looked at PAN on OS2008? |
| 01:29.14 | NeoStrider_ | cya folks! |
| 01:30.09 | lcuk_2 | ncya neo |
| 01:30.18 | Xamusk | I would like to try dvorak, but I probably won't |
| 01:30.58 | nelson | lcuk_2: it's not as bad as it looks. The more common keys are easier to type. |
| 01:31.17 | lcuk_2 | the problem with any none standard keyboard is working on different desktops and having to change perspective and typing stance for each |
| 01:31.28 | nelson | yup. |
| 01:31.28 | Xamusk | first because I have never seen one selling around here, then I use a laptop and I don't like putting sticks in keyboards, and last, everyone would be different, so I would still have to retain my typing skills to use other's computers |
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| 01:32.03 | Xamusk | even N8X0 has a qwerty keyboard |
| 01:32.11 | lcuk_2 | its bad enough walking to peoples desktops who use switched mouse buttons let alone a whole keyboard |
| 01:32.46 | lcuk_2 | Xamusk, it has a partial qwerty keyboard ;) |
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| 01:33.03 | johnx | heh...got used to the mouse thing a long time ago |
| 01:33.25 | johnx | the only thing that still throws me off is the left-handed people who keep right-handed buttons |
| 01:33.37 | lcuk_2 | im a left hander but for sheer ease of use i havent switched the buttons |
| 01:33.42 | lcuk_2 | lol.. |
| 01:34.00 | johnx | heh, well that's fine as long as I don't have to fix your computer |
| 01:34.22 | lcuk_2 | the mouse is on my LHS but the buttons are standard |
| 01:34.46 | johnx | I can use a mouse left handed ok for a short period of time as long as the buttons are setup for left handed use |
| 01:34.49 | lcuk_2 | i sit with first 2 fingers on left button most of the time and just shift index finger over if i need to |
| 01:35.18 | lcuk_2 | index finger for scroll wheel rocks :) |
| 01:36.12 | johnx | I use a mouse three fingered anyways. X11 wants all the buttons it can get it's hands on. :) |
| 01:36.15 | lcuk_2 | i knew one guy who turned the mouse around, with wire and buttons towards him |
| 01:37.11 | johnx | if I had to use his computer I'd probably take one look at his setup and decide I was better off using the keyboard alone |
| 01:37.37 | lcuk_2 | nelson, don't ever try to get on a plane with this mod in place: http://blog.russnelson.com/770/N800-external-battery.html |
| 01:38.03 | Xamusk | once I used the mac's mouse... it's very hard to someone who isn't used to it |
| 01:38.40 | johnx | the new mighty mouse with the spinny-scroll-nubbin thing aren't bad at all |
| 01:38.52 | johnx | great for graphics stuff |
| 01:39.05 | johnx | I actually wanted one for a while to use in Linux...but they die really quick |
| 01:39.40 | lcuk_2 | my mice have to have balls. |
| 01:39.47 | johnx | I remember the first-gen iMac mice though...those were fantastically bad |
| 01:40.05 | nelson | lcuk_2: have already done so. :-) |
| 01:40.13 | Esworp | I never had issues with those mice. |
| 01:40.33 | lcuk_2 | nelson, yikes, in this country (UK) you would probably be arrested |
| 01:42.33 | Esworp | Does anyone Use the hWR? |
| 01:43.53 | johnx | *crickets chirp* |
| 01:44.07 | johnx | I think that's a no... |
| 01:44.11 | lcuk_2 | Henley Women's Regatta? |
| 01:44.42 | Esworp | Man the hwr stinks on this thing. |
| 01:44.50 | elb | johnx: the hockey puck? |
| 01:45.03 | elb | those things sucked bad |
| 01:45.05 | johnx | elb, yeah, that one. *shudders* |
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| 01:45.32 | lcuk_2 | >>>>>>> handwriting recognition (HWR) <<<<<<<<<<< ding ding ding |
| 01:46.10 | Esworp | The /only/ hwr worth myy time was the newton mp2000. |
| 01:46.16 | lcuk_2 | jees, thats a really uncommon TLA, right Esworp to answer your question, no |
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| 01:46.29 | lcuk_2 | i tried to configure it, but it would not let me adjust it how i wanted |
| 01:46.50 | johnx | I got used to grafiti (the old one) on my visor, but since then I haven't bothered |
| 01:48.01 | johnx | and learning how to use grafiti actually did make my normal handwriting worse |
| 01:48.08 | lcuk_2 | i wanted to map "t" to how i type it, but it kept mapping it as "L". i unticked all variations of "L" and tried to teach it "t" and it told me it was too close to "L" even though i unmapped it. |
| 01:48.17 | lcuk_2 | i havent been back since |
| 01:50.26 | johnx | I bet I could teach it the original grafiti but my touch screen kind of acts up and I don't have a stylus for it anyways :/ |
| 01:50.47 | Esworp | Has there ever been any serious work towards lefty-ifying the n800? |
| 01:51.09 | johnx | Esworp, you mean hardware or software? |
| 01:51.24 | Esworp | Anything. |
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| 01:51.42 | johnx | not that I've heard |
| 01:51.55 | Esworp | :/ |
| 01:52.14 | lcuk_2 | Esworp, we are lefties in a right handed world. |
| 01:52.26 | johnx | I'm a righty but I end up just using my thumbs on the screen |
| 01:52.58 | lcuk_2 | i want scrollbars over on the left and it would be a bodgy but would help with lots of things |
| 01:53.24 | Esworp | It'd be nice to put the left side bar on the right, etc. |
| 01:53.38 | johnx | I saw a gtk theme that did that actually |
| 01:53.42 | lcuk_2 | thats not such a problem for me - i like it where it is |
| 01:53.43 | johnx | a looooong time ago |
| 01:53.58 | lcuk_2 | john there were problems with it, i think the bug report is still open regarding it |
| 01:54.18 | johnx | for maemo? or you mean gtkstep? |
| 01:54.24 | lcuk_2 | its gotta lot of parameters mainly related to bidi printing i think |
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| 01:54.37 | lcuk_2 | gtk in general i tihnk |
| 01:54.42 | johnx | this was for gtk 1.x |
| 01:54.56 | johnx | so maybe the unicode stuff added in gtk 2.x made things harder |
| 01:55.26 | lcuk_2 | yer it automatically gets switched with the right 2 left script |
| 01:55.38 | lcuk_2 | so what do you do in this instance? switch the switch? |
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| 01:56.02 | jperry | anyone know a repository where i can find an os2007 version of gpsd? |
| 01:56.14 | jperry | i'm playing with the skyhook appi |
| 01:56.27 | jperry | err skyhookwireless api |
| 01:56.44 | johnx | try gronmayer.com/it |
| 01:56.50 | johnx | there are some gpsd related things at least |
| 01:56.58 | johnx | osso-gpsd? |
| 01:57.10 | jperry | i think their tool wpsd is meant to talk to it - but there is no doc on this i can find |
| 01:57.27 | jperry | johnx: thanks I will loook there |
| 01:57.35 | jperry | what is osso-gpsd? |
| 01:57.40 | johnx | no idea |
| 01:57.51 | johnx | it came up in a search on gronmayer |
| 01:58.17 | jperry | ahh ok |
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| 02:01.55 | pupnik | This might be a good time to mention that the maemo.org wiki can use contributors. |
| 02:03.05 | lcuk_2 | indeed it would pupnik. do i have to become a member |
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| 02:05.34 | lcuk_2 | time for sleep. nite all |
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| 02:05.41 | johnx | 'night lcuk_2 |
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| 02:09.55 | Solarion | anyone else still getting the "gift certificate has no balance" messages when using their discount code (in the US)? |
| 02:14.04 | shackan | ds3: I've used PAN on os2008 |
| 02:15.33 | Xamusk | nelson, do you use the PCB software? |
| 02:15.46 | nelson | Xamusk: yes. |
| 02:16.14 | Xamusk | nelson, do you have some library or something? |
| 02:16.40 | Xamusk | I've tried to use it, but I found that the component library is lacking |
| 02:16.46 | nelson | Xamusk: amazing how you go straight for the weak oint of PCB. |
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| 02:17.44 | nelson | Xamusk: I think the "right" thing to do is create a relatively small set of parts (like 200) which are all pre-specified, with schematic symbols and PCB footprints. |
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| 02:17.50 | Xamusk | well, I've tried it once, and I'm using eagle, which has the most incredible library I've seen |
| 02:17.55 | nelson | Then design a set of circuits which use them. |
| 02:18.18 | nelson | Yeah, I'm sure. TONS and TONS of Open Source people use the freeware Eagle. |
| 02:19.40 | Xamusk | I've tried some other tools, like kicad, geda and stuff |
| 02:21.09 | Xamusk | but I didn't like any of them |
| 02:21.13 | pupnik | Project seeks author: A tracker/composition/beatbox/recorder tool for tablets |
| 02:21.30 | pupnik | Project seeks author: A lightweight powerful paint program (mtpaint!) for tablets |
| 02:22.06 | oil_ | keu. I'm becoming an fan for maemo mapper |
| 02:22.21 | oil_ | it did found the way back home from the other side of the city |
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| 02:24.44 | Xamusk | hum |
| 02:24.55 | Xamusk | bluetooth modules are incredibly expensive here |
| 02:25.26 | johnx | what kind of bluetooth modules? |
| 02:25.46 | johnx | also, where is "here"? |
| 02:27.06 | Xamusk | I mean bt modules to make custom electronics |
| 02:27.10 | Xamusk | and here is Brazil |
| 02:29.04 | johnx | I don't know if this helps you...but I remember on the zaurus forums (oesf.org/forum) someone had found that many normal USB bluetooth modules actually had a serial interface internally |
| 02:29.23 | johnx | and he dug one up and soldered it onto some spare GPIO pins on his zaurus |
| 02:29.28 | johnx | not quite as simple as all that I'm sure |
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| 02:42.42 | Xamusk | I don't have a zaurus |
| 02:43.33 | Xamusk | the easiest thing I can manage to find for a reasonable price is a bluetooth usb dongle |
| 02:43.54 | Xamusk | very small and probably hard to hack |
| 02:44.46 | johnx | I was just offering the zaurus hack as an example. |
| 02:45.18 | Xamusk | yes, it was a good advice |
| 02:45.24 | Xamusk | maybe I can mod something |
| 02:45.32 | johnx | let me find the link |
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| 02:47.25 | Xamusk | but I can no way find a zaurus around |
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| 02:56.50 | johnx | you should be able to use with anything that has a serial interface...as far as I understand |
| 02:59.26 | johnx | and here's the link, but it's a long thread: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13562&hl=internal%20bluetooth |
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| 03:06.32 | pupnik | http://maemo4mobile.garage.maemo.org/autotools_packaging.html <<< A very good summary of building/packaging for ITOS / maemo. Quick overview of autotools (autoconf, automake) with templates, as well as overview of packaging and menu entries. Best summary I've found! |
| 03:07.29 | pupnik | keywords ^^^^ maemo noobs getting started howto compile scratchbox applications ITOS packaging dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 03:11.58 | trevarthan | hello. is there anything out there that will turn a maemo touch screen into a remote mouse? |
| 03:12.14 | trevarthan | kinda like a wireless wacom tablet. |
| 03:12.41 | johnx | something like vnc or rdesktop? |
| 03:12.46 | trevarthan | kinda like synergy, but with relative mouse movement instead of absolute. |
| 03:12.49 | pupnik | you could hack synergy, run the server on the tablet and client on your PC |
| 03:14.10 | trevarthan | I envision a white screen where you do mouse input. hold down a button (top left button) for a click |
| 03:14.22 | pupnik | speaking of which, would someone build synergy for os2008? |
| 03:14.27 | pupnik | someone not me, that is |
| 03:14.46 | pupnik | quicksynergy or sumat |
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| 03:16.19 | Xamuzk | I'm back |
| 03:16.21 | Xamuzk | connection problems |
| 03:16.51 | trevarthan | yeah, a synergy server would make the most sense, wouldn't it? |
| 03:17.06 | trevarthan | I think I'll give that a try. |
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| 03:38.00 | |R | i hope mulliner gets his n810 soon, as iphome would be useful ;) |
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| 04:10.19 | trevarthan | erg. no gpg in chinook scratchbox? |
| 04:11.17 | trevarthan | nm. osso-gnupg |
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| 04:57.55 | dospod | supp peeps |
| 04:58.16 | johnx | hey |
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| 04:58.58 | dospod | anybody using kde |
| 04:59.43 | dospod | its rather nice |
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| 05:00.12 | johnx | I have something bigger in mind. I want full Debian. :) |
| 05:00.21 | dospod | haha |
| 05:00.41 | opengeek | hello, I'm trying to download the mediahandler-proxy sample from the ITVC tutorial and the link seems to be broken, anyone know who to contact? |
| 05:01.07 | johnx | dospod, well it already boots... |
| 05:01.08 | dospod | i dont see why nobodys released a diff distro for the tablet |
| 05:01.34 | johnx | opengeek, sorry. I don't know who. |
| 05:01.44 | johnx | dospod, because there's lots of stuff that is hard to get working |
| 05:01.48 | dospod | couldnt be too hard to build a custom binstallable bin |
| 05:01.53 | johnx | ahahahaha |
| 05:01.55 | johnx | it is |
| 05:02.21 | dospod | i dont see any problems |
| 05:02.46 | dospod | unless maemo happens to be semi closed source |
| 05:02.51 | johnx | it is |
| 05:03.35 | dospod | then i guess drivers would be an isussue with the tablets |
| 05:03.50 | dospod | damn nokia |
| 05:04.00 | johnx | the difficulty I'm running into is that I want it to be dual bootable with maemo so I can't change the kernel too much from what nokia hands out |
| 05:04.11 | johnx | still, hopefully I can get a console at least |
| 05:04.30 | johnx | I still don't know why xomap won't run though |
| 05:04.45 | dospod | i would leave the kernal the same |
| 05:04.59 | johnx | I really, really want a physical console |
| 05:05.18 | johnx | as far as I can tell the nokia kernel doesn't support that |
| 05:05.33 | dospod | but make new startup scripts |
| 05:05.37 | skibur | wow |
| 05:05.41 | skibur | I on a movie!!! |
| 05:05.54 | skibur | it called "The SheLL" |
| 05:06.02 | skibur | anybody wanna watch the trailer? |
| 05:06.07 | johnx | skibur, really? |
| 05:06.08 | johnx | sure |
| 05:06.10 | skibur | yeah |
| 05:06.20 | johnx | dospod, so far I can: boot, use usb networking, access the SD card, access internal flash |
| 05:06.22 | dospod | im bout to leave |
| 05:06.25 | johnx | ah |
| 05:06.27 | johnx | alright |
| 05:06.37 | skibur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKuTdtrbyJ8 |
| 05:06.39 | dospod | gnite |
| 05:06.47 | skibur | I'm the guy with Sun Glasses |
| 05:07.03 | skibur | If you wanna watch the Whole movie let me know |
| 05:09.30 | skibur | I my nokia N800 comes out !!! |
| 05:11.43 | johnx | cool |
| 05:12.37 | skibur | its about a computer virus gone organic! |
| 05:13.13 | johnx | aaah, I wasn't quite understanding what was going on |
| 05:13.19 | fysa | there any way to share an itunes library with an IT? |
| 05:13.29 | skibur | wanna watch it? |
| 05:13.47 | skibur | http://www.youtube.com/er87 |
| 05:13.56 | skibur | its 20mins long in 3 parts |
| 05:13.59 | johnx | thanks. I'll look at it later |
| 05:14.01 | skibur | youtube limits |
| 05:14.02 | skibur | o ok |
| 05:14.04 | skibur | cool |
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| 05:22.46 | skibur | I'm the guy in the Sun Glasses with the Long hair |
| 05:28.34 | DeLe0n | any news of the US discount codes? |
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| 06:06.32 | ds3 | shackan: do the OS2007 instruction with dummy0 work? |
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| 06:21.29 | Luria | anyone recall the name of the apple II screensaver on debian? |
| 06:21.39 | johnx | phosphor? |
| 06:22.00 | Luria | that might be it, thanks |
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| 06:23.27 | Luria | thinking it would look nice on my eee |
| 06:23.30 | johnx | if I remember it's actually vt10x compatible now. heh. |
| 06:23.55 | johnx | you could use it as your shell. :) |
| 06:24.54 | Luria | heh |
| 06:25.17 | Luria | there is something very oldschool about the eee |
| 06:25.32 | Luria | like the huge frame:lcd lid ratio |
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| 06:27.36 | Luria | that shouldnt be too hard |
| 06:28.31 | johnx | unless I do it the hard way :) |
| 06:29.08 | shack008n | good way to waste battery power :P |
| 06:29.19 | Luria | ok, yes, then it would be hard |
| 06:30.09 | johnx | shack008n, it should be easy enough to only start screensaver on AC |
| 06:30.23 | johnx | as long as I'm going to do it the hard way anyways |
| 06:30.28 | Luria | sigh, love compiz. |
| 06:31.05 | johnx | it sure did get a lot better in the last year or so |
| 06:31.15 | johnx | it's actually useful instead of just pretty |
| 06:31.31 | shack008n | johnx: how 'hard' ? |
| 06:32.09 | johnx | well, there's a debian package for xscreensaver, so I might as well just get debian running so I don't have to compile xscreensaver from source |
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| 06:34.10 | Luria | johnx, its in -extras |
| 06:34.19 | Luria | i believe |
| 06:34.20 | johnx | well, that's like cheating :( |
| 06:34.48 | Luria | btw, compiz makes the eee useful |
| 06:35.23 | Luria | its amazing how usable 4-6 apps are on a 800x480 screen |
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| 06:36.21 | Luria | crap, i should install defcon |
| 06:36.44 | Luria | almost forgot i have a license for that |
| 06:37.19 | johnx | wish me luck, flashing a custom kernel O_o |
| 06:37.39 | Luria | go with god |
| 06:37.48 | Luria | and grub |
| 06:38.01 | Luria | yes, yes, i know |
| 06:38.28 | johnx | actually, I'd like my n800 to stay with me. :) |
| 06:39.58 | Luria | i find i hose my xubuntu install more than my n800 |
| 06:40.24 | johnx | you haven't been trying hard enough, obviously |
| 06:40.26 | johnx | :P |
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| 06:43.41 | Luria | clearly |
| 06:43.59 | johnx | interesting, failing to flash at all :/ |
| 06:44.23 | Luria | thats the idiot flash preventing feature :-) |
| 06:44.28 | johnx | heh |
| 06:44.37 | johnx | I wonder if I did something wrong in my kernel compile |
| 06:44.47 | johnx | or if my usb stuff on the desktop is acting up |
| 06:45.03 | Luria | it might be the patch /dev/random you used |
| 06:45.09 | Luria | ;-) |
| 06:46.48 | johnx | dd if=/dev/random of=/kernel-image.bin bs=1024 count=4 |
| 06:46.50 | johnx | is that not right? |
| 06:47.17 | Luria | sounds like it |
| 06:47.55 | Luria | i prefer the of=/dev/sda1 style, but i always liked hammers too. |
| 06:48.36 | johnx | yeah, nothing like the direct approach |
| 06:49.28 | Luria | flashing yet? |
| 06:49.59 | johnx | nope |
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| 06:50.11 | Luria | hmmm the unionfs approach of the eee almost makes it parent friendly |
| 06:50.34 | johnx | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 06:51.05 | Luria | arg |
| 06:51.16 | Luria | any related dmesg output? |
| 06:51.31 | johnx | one sec |
| 06:51.51 | Luria | btw, the screensaver was apple ][, but also in the same -extras deb |
| 06:52.13 | Luria | sigh, synaptic is the enemy of slim systems... its like a freaking candy store |
| 06:52.20 | johnx | heh |
| 06:52.34 | johnx | with a "free" sign out front |
| 06:53.17 | Luria | worse yet, i forget what i install if there is no menu item |
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| 06:58.24 | johnx | weird, dmesg says nothing about it |
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| 06:59.17 | Luria | you should have a message from simply plugging in the device |
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| 06:59.39 | johnx | let me try again, my dmesg is pretty crowded |
| 07:01.24 | johnx | just the normal stuff... |
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| 07:02.44 | johnx | ah |
| 07:02.46 | Luria | right, but you should have a message at the end of the buffer |
| 07:03.17 | johnx | all i have is what it found when I plugged in the device, nothing about the transfer failing |
| 07:03.21 | johnx | but I think I know what it is |
| 07:05.24 | johnx | I tried flashing vmlinux from the kernel-source dir, when I should have flashed zImage |
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| 07:06.05 | oil | hmm. what's this cx3110x: WARNING TX dropped. I try to scp files to the router. first 10-20 MB goes well, and then scp says 'stalled' |
| 07:08.45 | Luria | johnx, sounds right |
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| 07:09.39 | rm_you | johnx: lol.... |
| 07:09.45 | rm_you | johnx: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/window-menu.html |
| 07:10.32 | rm_you | johnx: I am experimenting with those >_> the PopupWindow one basically looks like mine but behaves more like a real popup... Though I'm hoping I can manipulate the menu one to do my bidding! |
| 07:10.43 | johnx | heh |
| 07:11.17 | rm_you | johnx: so I met Kit today. >_> |
| 07:11.24 | rm_you | johnx: not like... ACTUAL Kit. |
| 07:11.41 | rm_you | But she's basically the same person, minus about 4 years >_> |
| 07:11.48 | johnx | ah |
| 07:12.06 | rm_you | it's crazy. she even looks eerily identical |
| 07:12.14 | johnx | Luria, it flashed |
| 07:12.22 | Luria | yay |
| 07:12.24 | johnx | I think it booted too, but it didn't do what I wanted :/ |
| 07:12.34 | Luria | half yay |
| 07:12.38 | rm_you | anyways, sleep time. night |
| 07:12.46 | johnx | 'night rm_you |
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| 08:56.15 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:56.25 | Spakman | Morning |
| 08:56.31 | johnx | mornin' |
| 08:57.08 | Tama^2 | morning |
| 08:57.20 | Tama^2 | [ 10.445312] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8) |
| 08:57.21 | Tama^2 | [ 10.468750] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 08:57.21 | Tama^2 | [ 10.476562] EXT3 FS on mmcblk0p2, internal journal |
| 08:57.21 | Tama^2 | [ 10.476562] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 08:57.21 | Tama^2 | [ 10.523437] tahvo: Registering interrupt 7 for device |
| 08:57.22 | Tama^2 | [ 10.531250] retu: Registering interrupt 8 for device |
| 08:57.23 | Tama^2 | [ 10.531250] retu: Registering interrupt 1 for device |
| 08:57.25 | Tama^2 | [ 10.531250] tahvo: Registering interrupt 1 for device |
| 08:57.27 | Tama^2 | [ 10.851562] mmcblk0: error 1 transferring data |
| 08:57.29 | Tama^2 | [ 10.851562] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 5507088 |
| 08:57.31 | Tama^2 | [ 10.851562] EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=237121, block=491522 |
| 08:57.34 | Tama^2 | [ 11.031250] tahvo: Registering interrupt 2 for device |
| 08:57.36 | Tama^2 | this is why I cannot boot from mmc |
| 08:57.38 | Tama^2 | :( |
| 08:58.10 | Tama^2 | when mounting the same partition *after* booting it work perfectly |
| 08:58.32 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 08:59.05 | liri | morning |
| 08:59.39 | johnx | Tama^2, have you tried doing fsck on it? |
| 08:59.47 | Tama^2 | yep |
| 08:59.51 | Tama^2 | no issue |
| 09:00.03 | Tama^2 | and I tried dd'ing the whole content elsewhere |
| 09:00.08 | Tama^2 | again no errors |
| 09:00.15 | Tama^2 | it appens only at boot |
| 09:00.18 | johnx | was this in a card reader or the N800? |
| 09:00.30 | johnx | (that you ran fsck) |
| 09:00.37 | Tama^2 | the n800 |
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| 09:01.11 | Tama^2 | the same n800 that mounts the very same partition if I ssh in *after* booting if finished |
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| 09:02.51 | johnx | Tama^2, that's pretty weird |
| 09:02.55 | Tama^2 | I know |
| 09:02.57 | Tama^2 | :/ |
| 09:03.15 | johnx | that's not the *weirdest* thing I've ever seen regarding SD cards...but pretty weird |
| 09:04.10 | Luria | cf cards rock |
| 09:04.23 | Luria | but admittedly are huge |
| 09:04.29 | johnx | yeah |
| 09:04.35 | johnx | it's just such a good standard though |
| 09:04.40 | Tama^2 | I thought it may be something that is not initialized at that stage |
| 09:04.41 | Luria | but yeah, they are just ata |
| 09:05.02 | Luria | (non disk) io devices were great on cf |
| 09:05.18 | johnx | notice the complete lack of CF *HC* and other such rediculousness |
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| 09:05.49 | Luria | thats a control chip issue, but yeah |
| 09:05.58 | johnx | the old CF standard now has 32GB cards that will work fine in your laptop from 1993 |
| 09:06.19 | Luria | i loved that you can just adapt a cf to take the place of a real hdd |
| 09:07.05 | johnx | and if they eventually stop making higher capacity CF cards we can all just buy CF-to-SDHC adapters and not even notice the difference |
| 09:07.24 | Luria | not going to happen any time soon |
| 09:07.33 | Luria | the photo industry lives on cf |
| 09:07.43 | johnx | I could believe that CF will eventually get more expensive than SD though |
| 09:07.47 | Luria | plus a lot of embedded devices |
| 09:08.04 | Luria | probably |
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| 09:08.26 | Luria | i love the nikon dslr, with "raided" cf |
| 09:08.38 | Luria | it's dual slot |
| 09:08.47 | johnx | I hadn't even heard about that |
| 09:08.50 | johnx | craziness |
| 09:09.14 | Luria | its also $5000 |
| 09:09.30 | johnx | I think I'd rather have a car O_o |
| 09:09.40 | michele_ | well, I see less and less cameras with CF cards... everybody is going to SDs |
| 09:09.41 | Luria | heh |
| 09:09.53 | Luria | fewer consumer cameras are cf |
| 09:10.08 | michele_ | the nikon D50, for example is SD |
| 09:10.14 | Luria | the pro slrs are not going to move any time soon |
| 09:10.30 | Luria | d50 isnt made any more |
| 09:10.35 | L0cutus | this is perfect for CF : |
| 09:10.38 | L0cutus | http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/01/21/la-macchina-fotografica-digitale-che-fa-foto-da-160-megapixel.html |
| 09:10.40 | L0cutus | :) |
| 09:10.48 | Luria | the big shift was the d80 going to sdhc |
| 09:11.13 | Tama^2 | oh dear lord, that is *bad* italian in the title... |
| 09:11.19 | L0cutus | yup :) |
| 09:11.26 | Tama^2 | written by a 5 yo? |
| 09:11.39 | Luria | otoh, the d3 just came out, if you can find it, and is very cf |
| 09:11.52 | Tama^2 | The error: [ 10.851562] EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=237121, block=491522 |
| 09:11.53 | Veggen | could have been written by me ;) (my italian is about at that level) |
| 09:12.10 | michele_ | Tama^2: italiano? |
| 09:12.11 | Luria | iow, all digital cameras over $1400 are cf |
| 09:12.13 | Tama^2 | the partition table: |
| 09:12.14 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.20 | Tama^2 | Veggen: lol |
| 09:12.23 | Tama^2 | michele_: yes |
| 09:12.36 | michele_ | Tama^2: me too ;) |
| 09:12.41 | Luria | i miss type III cf |
| 09:12.46 | Luria | that was nuts |
| 09:12.47 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.49 | johnx | Tama^2, it's very interesting since flash isn't supposed to fail on reads... |
| 09:12.54 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.57 | Veggen | Tama2: but I'm learning italian by spending 1-2 weeks in Italy every 2nd year ;) |
| 09:13.08 | Veggen | (on average) |
| 09:13.11 | Tama^2 | michele_: I figured by the name :) |
| 09:13.17 | Luria | johnx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D3 |
| 09:13.31 | Tama^2 | Veggen: italian is a bitch to learn xD |
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| 09:14.00 | Tama^2 | johnx: look at the partition table, the block it cannot read is not even in the ext3 partition! |
| 09:14.14 | Tama^2 | johnx: or maybe I should go to sleep... |
| 09:14.16 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 09:15.13 | johnx | could the block number that the error is referencing be an offset from the beginning of the partition? |
| 09:15.40 | johnx | either way, it doesn't make sense |
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| 09:25.19 | liri | what are the possible development platforms for maemo? (n800/n810) |
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| 09:26.19 | liri | I'm talking about the alternatives rather than the obvious c+gtk |
| 09:26.42 | inz | You can do also Gtk+/C ;) |
| 09:26.59 | inz | And there's quite a bunch of python programs out there too |
| 09:28.52 | liri | I read about pygtk a bit, would that run good? |
| 09:29.10 | liri | I read on some talkbacks that it was somewhat slow/heavy |
| 09:29.33 | inz | As far as I've understood, startup is the real problem |
| 09:29.43 | inz | After that they should be quite smooth |
| 09:29.58 | liri | ahh |
| 09:30.05 | Blafasel | I'm still interested in java/mono for me |
| 09:30.22 | liri | are there different combinations of python and gtk, I think that pygtk is one development platform but there are others, no? |
| 09:30.31 | Blafasel | But the mono stuff seems to be outdated. At least the stuff on their webpage is. |
| 09:30.45 | inz | liri, pymaemo is just extension of pygtk |
| 09:31.07 | liri | ahh ok |
| 09:31.13 | inz | liri, and on maemo you shouldn't use anything that is not gtk based (if possible) |
| 09:31.27 | liri | I'll search maemo website for some info on starting out with pygtk |
| 09:31.50 | liri | java is somewhat interesting also, would that run good? |
| 09:32.37 | Tama^2 | great, I have this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 |
| 09:32.41 | Tama^2 | -_- |
| 09:32.44 | inz | liri, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ is the homepage of pymaemo |
| 09:33.15 | inz | liri, afaik there is no (public) release of java for the tablets |
| 09:33.38 | liri | thanks inz |
| 09:34.05 | Veggen | Tama: Oh, I don't bother with grammar etc :) I learn by speaking, only. |
| 09:34.31 | Veggen | Tama: Actually, travelling within italy, outside the mass-tourism places, you pretty much have to learn italian. |
| 09:34.37 | Veggen | (at least a bit) |
| 09:34.43 | Tama^2 | yes, I imagine |
| 09:35.01 | Tama^2 | pretty tough to get by without italian outside touristic routes |
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| 09:43.43 | liri | that carman screenshots are so smooth and nice :) |
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| 09:47.15 | maddler | morning all |
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| 09:51.14 | michele_ | Blafasel: the mono port is still alive |
| 09:51.34 | chelli | hi, is there anyone who is successfully using svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox? (Chinook SDK) |
| 09:51.59 | chelli | i allways get the following error: Can't load '/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so' for module SVN::_Core: /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/libsvn_ra_dav-1.so.0: undefined symbol: RAND_status at /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 230. |
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| 09:52.24 | mk8 | Hi michele_, I'm italian too ... :) |
| 09:52.48 | Tama^2 | lots of italians here by the looks of it |
| 09:52.53 | michele_ | uau tanti italiani qua |
| 09:53.57 | mk8 | michele_: do you use mono on maemo? |
| 09:55.40 | michele_ | mk8: not really, I asked somebody who works on it |
| 09:56.53 | mk8 | I try to use it with the OS2007 version. Now a new version compatibile with OS2008 need to be released. |
| 09:57.08 | mk8 | but is not released jet |
| 09:58.03 | Tama^2 | OK, same card in external slot boots fine |
| 09:58.11 | Tama^2 | almost two days wasted.. |
| 09:58.19 | Tama^2 | damn |
| 09:59.37 | michele_ | mk8: it should be released soon ;) |
| 10:00.49 | mk8 | the problem is related to the GTK binding, IIRC .... but hope to make some test as soon as possible ... :) ... but I have no date ... :( |
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| 10:07.04 | mk8 | michele_: do you already used mono on maemo? |
| 10:07.14 | michele_ | mk8: no |
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| 10:10.44 | Blafasel | michele_: Thanks for sharing that. I'm looking forward to use it/test it. |
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| 10:11.12 | mk8 | michele_: do you plan to use it? |
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| 10:12.39 | michele_ | mk8: not sure. python would be my choice, but the projects I'd like to work at the moment are driving me to C |
| 10:16.59 | maddler | a little off topic but... has anyone ever used a MSI laptop? |
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| 10:19.57 | mk8 | michele_: I would like to port GBrainy to maemo when the mono runtime will be released ... :) |
| 10:20.14 | michele_ | what's that? |
| 10:20.57 | mk8 | michele_: look here http://live.gnome.org/gbrainy |
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| 10:32.51 | Blafasel | mk8: Good idea ;) |
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| 10:49.23 | Tama^2 | is anyone here daring enough to compile from an actual meamo device (e.g. n800)? |
| 10:51.51 | johnx | sure |
| 10:51.55 | johnx | what do you want compiled |
| 10:52.05 | johnx | I'm on debian though, if that makes a difference |
| 10:53.06 | Tama^2 | I am asking because I would like to do that myself and I am looking for recipes (repositories to add for dev libs and compilers) |
| 10:53.31 | Tama^2 | by the way I found out what my problem with the MMC was... |
| 10:53.56 | johnx | it works in the external slot right? |
| 10:54.00 | johnx | was there something else? |
| 10:54.01 | Tama^2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 <-- worked around it by using the external slot |
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| 10:54.45 | johnx | that's crazy that it works in the external slot O_o |
| 10:55.14 | Tama^2 | apparently the internal interface behaves differently and it's a known issue |
| 10:55.18 | Tama^2 | -_- |
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| 10:55.25 | johnx | random |
| 10:56.05 | Tama^2 | I would like to know if I can add dev sources and just do for isntance: apt-get install libhildondesktop |
| 10:56.36 | Tama^2 | from my OS2008 installation that is |
| 10:56.41 | johnx | from what I understand some of the -dev stuff is slightly different versions than the shared libs that ship with OS2008 |
| 10:57.16 | Tama^2 | mmm arrgh, well but if the apps are linked against it it must be the same >.< |
| 10:57.32 | johnx | they're close enough that it doesn't matter |
| 10:57.40 | johnx | but it will mess with your dependencies |
| 10:57.56 | johnx | but now that you've cloned to SD card it's worth a shot |
| 10:58.12 | johnx | just rsync a backup onto your computer, add the repos and if it fails, restore from backup |
| 10:58.16 | Tama^2 | I imagined that was going to be the case that is why I cloned my rootfs |
| 10:58.33 | johnx | me too |
| 10:58.44 | Tama^2 | which repos should I add? Is there a list somewhere on the wiki? |
| 10:58.56 | johnx | do you have scratchbox? |
| 10:59.05 | johnx | I don't think this is on a wiki anywhere |
| 10:59.16 | Tama^2 | no scratchbox |
| 10:59.16 | johnx | frankly, I don't know if anyone got this working before |
| 10:59.28 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 10:59.30 | Tama^2 | ok |
| 11:00.05 | Tama^2 | let's try by accessing the offcial repos and seeing if there are dev sections... |
| 11:00.08 | johnx | ok, I'll give you a pastebin of one of my hacked up debian installs |
| 11:00.13 | johnx | apt/sources.list |
| 11:00.25 | Tama^2 | thanks |
| 11:00.39 | inz | Tama, you probably need to compile some stuff in scratchbox first |
| 11:00.54 | inz | Tama, some package versions differ on chinook and os2008 repositories |
| 11:01.08 | inz | Tama, and os2008 only contains sources |
| 11:01.31 | Tama^2 | I see |
| 11:02.08 | johnx | do you not have a debian/ubuntu box to host a scratchbox? |
| 11:04.29 | Tama^2 | I could setup a VM |
| 11:05.13 | Tama^2 | but I wanted to try working on the device directly |
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| 11:05.28 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 11:05.42 | johnx | hi |
| 11:05.43 | inz | Tama, it should be possible after you've compiled those few packages |
| 11:05.53 | michele_ | compiling directly on the device sounds really really painful |
| 11:05.55 | inz | Tama, to get -dev packages with matching versions of those on the device |
| 11:05.57 | Khertan | If you want a home ip applet on your desktop ... i ve made one ... but it s still lack transparency |
| 11:06.19 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/downloads.php |
| 11:06.22 | johnx | michele_, why? in terms of speed? or complication? |
| 11:06.35 | michele_ | speed |
| 11:06.48 | Tama^2 | I expect it to be slow, but I do not plan to compile kernels anyway |
| 11:06.49 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 11:06.57 | johnx | michele_, it's not *that* bad |
| 11:07.21 | johnx | right now I have an x server compile going in qemu that's not much faster than an N800 |
| 11:07.27 | johnx | should only take a day or two |
| 11:07.36 | Tama^2 | Khertan: thanks |
| 11:07.51 | michele_ | johnx: I'm spoiled after so many years with python and incremental java compilers, compilation was a forgotten step for me :) |
| 11:08.25 | johnx | there are always tradeoffs |
| 11:08.35 | michele_ | a day or two... this remembers me of my first linux builds on the 486@66MHz... |
| 11:08.38 | johnx | you don't want your xserver written in python for example :P |
| 11:08.54 | Khertan | johnx > why not :) |
| 11:09.21 | johnx | You...uhm...might have some speed issues |
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| 11:09.56 | wikki | anyone know how to reset the accounts on the builtin email program? |
| 11:10.14 | wikki | I've got a nokia N800 that I got from someone |
| 11:10.25 | johnx | Tama^2, http://pastebin.ca/868318 there is my complete sources.list |
| 11:10.26 | Khertan | wikki> rm -rf /home/user should work ... but ll delete other things :) |
| 11:10.39 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 11:10.41 | johnx | wikki, don't do what Khertan said :P |
| 11:10.44 | Tama^2 | thanks johnx |
| 11:10.50 | wikki | yes |
| 11:10.59 | wikki | I wasn't going to do that |
| 11:11.01 | johnx | Tama^2, keep in mind many repositories listed in their contradict each other |
| 11:11.08 | johnx | wikki, just making sure :) |
| 11:11.19 | wikki | is there a specific directory under there that I can delete though? |
| 11:11.24 | Khertan | if i remember in /home/user/ there is a rep nammed email |
| 11:11.26 | wikki | where are the settings for the email stored? |
| 11:11.43 | Khertan | or should be in /home/user/application |
| 11:11.53 | michele_ | ~user/apps/email |
| 11:11.57 | Tama^2 | email accounts may be in gconf I suspect |
| 11:12.10 | johnx | wikki, I honestly don't know. You could just reflash if you don't have any of your stuff on their yet |
| 11:12.22 | johnx | give you a fresh start and get you up to the latest software version |
| 11:12.49 | johnx | anyways |
| 11:12.55 | johnx | I am afk for a while |
| 11:13.02 | Khertan | on os2007 it wasn't in gconf |
| 11:13.11 | Khertan | but don't know for os2008 |
| 11:13.26 | Tama^2 | gconftool -R / | grep gmail |
| 11:13.34 | wikki | ah ha |
| 11:13.37 | wikki | michele is right |
| 11:13.39 | Khertan | Uh ... i just see that minivmac is in the maemo application wish list |
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| 11:13.41 | Tama^2 | and I find matching stuff |
| 11:13.51 | wikki | user/apps/email/settings/accountsrc |
| 11:14.08 | Khertan | i should recompile it for os2008 and make it available :) |
| 11:14.11 | |tbb| | anyone familar with dbus-send ? |
| 11:14.21 | wikki | how do you reflash the whole thing? |
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| 11:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | Download the latest OS2008 release and flash, wikki. |
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| 11:23.58 | wikki | is that on maemo.org or nokia's site? |
| 11:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 11:24.24 | GeneralAntilles | for the firmware |
| 11:24.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 11:24.37 | GeneralAntilles | for the flasher if you're on Linux or OS X |
| 11:25.18 | wikki | great |
| 11:25.21 | wikki | yes i'm on linux :) |
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| 11:28.24 | Tama^2 | It's bed time |
| 11:28.35 | Tama^2 | see you folks |
| 11:29.44 | wikki | thanks general |
| 11:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. |
| 11:30.25 | michele_ | whoohoo |
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| 11:30.54 | Piotras | hi |
| 11:31.20 | Piotras | anybody here can help with qemu issues ( armel target ) ? |
| 11:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | michele_, assuming that's not sarcasm: the mobile theme is pretty underfeatured, I'd recommend Classic instead. |
| 11:33.57 | michele_ | GeneralAntilles: I mostly just read the forums, if I find something missing, I'll try classic |
| 11:34.11 | michele_ | by now I've made it the default even on the real PC |
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| 11:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | No Thanks! button, no reply buttons, etc. |
| 11:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | s/Thanks!/\"Thanks!\"/ |
| 11:35.28 | michele_ | it's just embarassing that the default is unusable on the IT |
| 11:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, "unusable" is a little strong. |
| 11:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | It worked fine for me. |
| 11:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a little slow. |
| 11:36.07 | michele_ | Meh, "fine" is a little strong. |
| 11:36.19 | michele_ | the little numbers to change page are impossible to hit |
| 11:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | Bull. ;) |
| 11:36.30 | GeneralAntilles | You're just bad at hitting them. :P |
| 11:36.53 | michele_ | ideally, the site should be usable without the stilus |
| 11:37.04 | michele_ | s/stilus/stylus/ |
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| 11:39.23 | maddler | michele_: are you italian as well? |
| 11:40.40 | michele_ | maddler: sì |
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| 11:40.59 | maddler | :) |
| 11:41.19 | maddler | nice! :D where from? |
| 11:41.22 | michele_ | we should do an italian maemo meeting |
| 11:41.27 | michele_ | Treviso |
| 11:41.34 | maddler | michele_: yes, I was thinking about that... |
| 11:41.50 | Tama^2 | mmmh Treviso |
| 11:41.53 | maddler | michele_: the real point is that Italy is damn long! |
| 11:42.09 | Tama^2 | too far away :P |
| 11:42.41 | b0unc3 | wow... another italian... great! |
| 11:42.41 | Tama^2 | (yes, still here) |
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| 11:42.59 | michele_ | ok, italias, come over on #maemo-it :) |
| 11:43.08 | b0unc3 | :) |
| 11:43.10 | Tama^2 | It kind of proves my theory that italians are uber-geeks |
| 11:43.34 | Tama^2 | and gadget-feticists :P |
| 11:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 11:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, I think your sample size is a little small for that. :P |
| 11:47.01 | Tama^2 | I lived there for 26 years |
| 11:47.15 | Tama^2 | I know something about my countrymen ;) |
| 11:47.28 | maddler | number of italians here increased a lot in the last few months |
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| 11:48.29 | maddler | Tama^2: absolutely! |
| 11:48.36 | maddler | I'm a damn techno geek! |
| 11:48.38 | maddler | :D |
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| 12:37.27 | maddler | L0cN800: #maemo-it :) |
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| 12:38.40 | L0cN800 | ciao maddler |
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| 12:43.22 | wikki | looks like you can delete /home/apps/email/settings/accountrc |
| 12:43.35 | wikki | and that will let you create a new email account when the thing won't start |
| 12:43.59 | wikki | it's pretty crummy that the program just crashes when it can't resolve the hostname for the email aserver |
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| 13:05.05 | johnx | so, I'm booted into debian on my N800. |
| 13:05.19 | johnx | I'm trying to get something to actually access the framebuffer device though |
| 13:05.30 | johnx | Xomap will run but doesn't display anything |
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| 13:05.57 | johnx | mplayer -vo fbdev runs and acts like it's playing but nothing ever displays |
| 13:06.06 | matmo | hi all. Could someone check the contents of /usr/lib/alsa-lib on 2008 for me (on their own device)? |
| 13:06.36 | johnx | sure, one sec |
| 13:06.53 | johnx | lots of stuff |
| 13:06.59 | johnx | I'll put it on pastebin |
| 13:07.06 | matmo | ok |
| 13:07.21 | johnx | http://pastebin.ca/868418 |
| 13:07.40 | matmo | thanks |
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| 13:08.53 | jott | johnx: how do you run it currently? stock kernel + modified initfs and then debian root? |
| 13:09.09 | johnx | I'm using fanoush's modified initfs |
| 13:09.32 | johnx | so I have a white screen that says "Booting from int-sd . . ." |
| 13:10.11 | johnx | (stock kernel -or- one of my own slightly modified kernels) + fanoush's initfs + debian armel on sd |
| 13:10.21 | jott | hmm yeah.. |
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| 13:11.54 | johnx | it's really weird, because one time I booted and the framebuffer console I added to the kernel actually displayed one line of text on a black background |
| 13:11.57 | jott | maybe there is something else called in the os2008 root to initialize the framebuffer.. |
| 13:12.06 | johnx | I was thinking that |
| 13:12.13 | johnx | I'm digging through the init scripts now :/ |
| 13:12.32 | johnx | I just figured if someone had the inside story on this ... |
| 13:12.52 | johnx | I should really see how the OE/Poky guys do this and copy them as much as I can |
| 13:12.59 | johnx | it's bound to be more straightforward |
| 13:13.23 | jott | indeed.. probably something very small |
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| 13:14.58 | jott | johnx: maybe some runlevel borkness? |
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| 13:14.58 | Blafasel | johnx: Just curious: What are you planning to do with a "full" debian on your N800? |
| 13:15.19 | johnx | Blafasel, put maemo and libhildon on it |
| 13:15.36 | johnx | but be able to use any package I want without all sorts of compiling |
| 13:15.56 | johnx | maybe I'll use matchbox panel instead of the default desktop. |
| 13:15.58 | Blafasel | Ah, so you want to replace the underlying base system, but still stick to the UI? |
| 13:16.07 | johnx | dunno yet |
| 13:16.34 | johnx | I like the look of it for the most part, but I think I might prefer matchbox desktop for launching things |
| 13:16.49 | johnx | I want to make it easier to mix and match apps |
| 13:17.12 | johnx | plus, I want to make the tablet as future proof as I can |
| 13:17.38 | johnx | and if I'm lucky a lot of this stuff will apply to the 770 as well and extend the life of those devices |
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| 13:18.35 | johnx | jott, interesting that you should mention runlevels. Debian can't even figure out what runlevel it's *in* |
| 13:18.46 | wikki | :) |
| 13:18.50 | johnx | but it looks like all the runlevel 2 stuff is running (or tried to run |
| 13:18.56 | wikki | sounds like fun john |
| 13:19.02 | johnx | it should be |
| 13:19.15 | wikki | you're trying to get X running now? |
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| 13:19.18 | Blafasel | Hm? Doesn't init print the current runlevel as well? |
| 13:19.36 | johnx | Blafasel, if I type runlevel I get back unknown :) |
| 13:19.43 | Blafasel | johnx: init? |
| 13:19.48 | johnx | wikki, yeah...or anything that runs on the framebuffer |
| 13:20.47 | johnx | init 2 or init 3 return instantly |
| 13:21.45 | johnx | after running Xomap from inside my IT2008OS chroot the screen has gone completely white |
| 13:21.49 | johnx | interesting |
| 13:25.02 | Blafasel | johnx: ps auxww | grep init doesn't show the level either? |
| 13:25.23 | johnx | thanks |
| 13:25.26 | johnx | that shows me 3 |
| 13:25.29 | johnx | thats good to know |
| 13:25.31 | Blafasel | ok |
| 13:25.56 | jott | johnx: hmm have you /tmp/dsmesock in your debian root? |
| 13:26.21 | jott | or do like mount -n -o bind /mnt/initfs/tmp /tmp |
| 13:26.33 | johnx | my tmp is empty |
| 13:26.41 | jott | maybe you need the dsmesock!? |
| 13:26.48 | jott | (for X that is) |
| 13:26.59 | johnx | I'll give that a shot |
| 13:27.00 | jott | just blind guess though... |
| 13:27.09 | johnx | I admit I didn't even think about that |
| 13:27.58 | johnx | actually, looks like they're both empty |
| 13:28.32 | jott | hmm somewhere the socket must be created ;) |
| 13:29.18 | johnx | could that really prevent anything from just writing to the fb and getting displayed on screen? |
| 13:29.50 | johnx | is there somewhere I can read up on what dsme is responsible for? |
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| 13:31.26 | jott | hmm haven't seen anything indepth yet :( |
| 13:31.57 | johnx | heh...ran lsof and it looks like dsme still has /tmp/dsmesock held open...I just have no idea what happened to it |
| 13:31.59 | jott | but your /mnt/initfs/tmp is also empty?! this should not be i gues.. |
| 13:32.08 | jott | s |
| 13:32.17 | johnx | I assume some ugliness happened during the initfs to debian handoff |
| 13:32.29 | johnx | or while debian was booting |
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| 13:34.00 | jott | johnx: then try to mount /dev/root to /mnt/initfs |
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| 13:35.02 | johnx | hmm? |
| 13:35.13 | johnx | looks like I'm missing /dev/root too |
| 13:35.19 | jott | oh :) |
| 13:35.31 | johnx | forgive me for asking but what would that do? |
| 13:36.04 | jott | the initfs is on /dev/root (atleast on os2008 thats the mount) |
| 13:36.13 | johnx | ah |
| 13:36.40 | johnx | /mnt/initfs is mounted actually |
| 13:36.54 | johnx | and has the right contents even |
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| 13:40.07 | johnx | heh |
| 13:40.38 | johnx | unmounted /tmp twice in a row and found some files underneath |
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| 13:40.58 | bedboi | hi there |
| 13:41.03 | johnx | hi |
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| 13:47.57 | Spakman | oops |
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| 13:52.02 | Ariel_Eran | Any ops around? |
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| 14:09.34 | alterego | Oh the things we do for money. |
| 14:10.52 | Spakman | alterego: ? |
| 14:11.06 | Veggen | I'm actually pretty satisfied with my ability to keep my professional ethics at work... |
| 14:11.16 | johnx | and I have video! |
| 14:11.17 | alterego | Oh, it's not ethical. |
| 14:11.26 | alterego | It's just damn boring and tedious :P |
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| 14:11.49 | Veggen | oh. yah. I don't work well when it's boring and tedious. |
| 14:11.55 | Veggen | I need new and fun and exciting ;) |
| 14:12.21 | johnx | tedious is not so fun :/ |
| 14:12.33 | johnx | boring is just sleep-with-your-eyes-open time |
| 14:12.40 | Veggen | Luckily, new and fun and exciting tends to happen at least often enough for work to be generally interesting. |
| 14:13.18 | Veggen | I also work better when things happen fast. |
| 14:15.58 | johnx | well, I appear to have X running to some degree |
| 14:16.14 | jott | johnx: nice.. what was it? |
| 14:16.55 | johnx | well, this is somewhat embarassing...I was waiting for the painful black-on-grey x server background |
| 14:17.05 | johnx | but I guess they hardcoded xomap to give a white background |
| 14:17.12 | jott | heh.. nice one ;) |
| 14:17.27 | johnx | so it probably started working as soon as I tried xomap from inside the chroot |
| 14:17.31 | johnx | but it works every time now |
| 14:18.05 | johnx | I'll have to reboot and see if it works without problems the first time or if I have to look for some magic in ITOS |
| 14:18.24 | johnx | woo |
| 14:18.27 | johnx | now touch screen |
| 14:18.52 | johnx | never been so happy to see xeyes :) |
| 14:19.31 | jott | so build the Xomap for debian now ;) |
| 14:20.04 | johnx | uhm...actually I stole the .deb from the maemo.org repo and it's running now |
| 14:20.11 | johnx | I only had to fake one dependency |
| 14:20.23 | johnx | later, I'll rebuild it to maintain "debian purity" or something |
| 14:21.37 | Tak | mmm...virginal debian... |
| 14:21.45 | johnx | The N800 is pretty warm...I think I need to dig into powersaving :/ |
| 14:22.02 | jott | that will be the really funny part i guess ;) |
| 14:22.20 | johnx | yeah that and wifi will probably be hardest |
| 14:22.27 | jott | (as there are probably many closed source nokia parts) |
| 14:22.29 | Tak | mine gets warm just from my hands |
| 14:22.50 | johnx | not looking forward to that part |
| 14:23.03 | johnx | Tak, This is actually sitting on a table in a cold room :) |
| 14:23.05 | Tak | isn't the wifi driver oss now? |
| 14:23.10 | Tak | johnx: that's not a good sign, then ;-) |
| 14:23.15 | johnx | is it? |
| 14:23.24 | johnx | I haven't been paying much attention |
| 14:23.34 | Tak | I had thought it was; I could very definitely be mistaken |
| 14:23.56 | johnx | either way it doesn't support Linux wireless extensions v18 so wpa supplicant won't work with it |
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| 14:24.12 | Tak | yeah, I noticed that |
| 14:24.43 | Tak | I used to be in a network that only supported wep+peap |
| 14:25.17 | johnx | I had hoped they brought it up to date, but they really have no incentive to do so as long as they use their own wacky wifi daemon |
| 14:27.12 | johnx | it's incredibly responsive in windowmaker :) |
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| 14:29.31 | jott | jonnylamb: heh i would be shocked if not :) |
| 14:29.36 | jott | oops.. johnx |
| 14:30.10 | johnx | still, it's nice to see |
| 14:30.16 | jott | indeed :) |
| 14:31.15 | johnx | heh...my first instinct was to install xterm before I realized I had no keyboard |
| 14:31.17 | matmo | johnx: can you check something else for me? Can you see if App Mgr reports any dependency conflicts for libasound2? |
| 14:31.42 | johnx | er...my N800 is a little occupied right now |
| 14:31.56 | johnx | I can check it with dpkg. will that work? |
| 14:31.58 | matmo | oh yeah, I see :) Anyone else? |
| 14:32.13 | matmo | don't know, try it |
| 14:33.02 | jott | hm johnx https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html seen that? |
| 14:33.19 | johnx | score! |
| 14:33.21 | johnx | thanks |
| 14:33.54 | |tbb| | is it possible to capture dbus events or tell the dbus events to run specific things i want? like wlan status changed then tell my application it has changed status? |
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| 14:38.19 | johnx | jott, thank you so much for digging that up. I would have had a long painful fight with wireless I'm sure |
| 14:40.21 | jott | hey, i also would love a full debian as dual boot option :) |
| 14:41.12 | johnx | hmm...it appears that my default language in debian is Catalan |
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| 14:52.47 | Dike | hello |
| 14:53.14 | johnx | hi |
| 14:53.35 | Dike | anyone know if there is a repository link |
| 14:53.39 | bedboi | where can i find gst utils? |
| 14:53.49 | Dike | to download nokia ufficial utilities? |
| 14:53.53 | Dike | like skype? |
| 14:54.03 | Dike | think ufficial server is not working |
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| 14:58.56 | michele_ | ok, we have to get this on the IT :) |
| 14:58.57 | michele_ | http://collison.ie/wikipedia-iphone/? |
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| 15:01.05 | johnx | michele_, that's pretty slick |
| 15:01.22 | matmo | michele_: already done? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14016&highlight=wikipedia |
| 15:02.32 | matmo | (ish) |
| 15:03.28 | michele_ | matmo: nice, will check it |
| 15:04.59 | michele_ | matmo: gosh... last update was a year ago.. |
| 15:05.34 | matmo | was it! lol, i must have read it only recently |
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| 15:06.56 | michele_ | however, that should have "DON'T PANIC" on the cover |
| 15:07.35 | Tak | yeah, that's what should have been on the 770's hardcover |
| 15:08.58 | pupnik | I still like my idea of replacement hardcovers with gaming controls on the sides |
| 15:09.41 | johnx | I could see something like that working for the N810, but it would make the N800 rediculously long |
| 15:09.50 | michele_ | via bluetooth... |
| 15:10.02 | michele_ | mmh that's a marketable idea I think |
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| 15:10.18 | pupnik | that's the beauty of the slide on replacement hardcover. Take the larger one with you if you want to game. use the original if you don't |
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| 15:10.56 | liri | to start developing in py-gtk for n800 I don't need to mess around with scratchbox but rather simply apt-get python-gtk* and when I'm done I'll just cross-compile later and transfer to the n800 right? |
| 15:11.01 | |tbb| | damn i dunno where my microusb cable is and got a reboot loop. have about 3 miniusb cable here but no microusb, grrr |
| 15:11.19 | pupnik | liri: you don't need to compile with python |
| 15:11.20 | lophyte | liri, if you're developing in python, there's no cross-compiling involved |
| 15:11.23 | Tak | shouldn't need to cross-compile anything with...damn |
| 15:11.36 | liri | right, but not even the gui? |
| 15:11.40 | lophyte | no |
| 15:12.18 | lophyte | everything you write in python will run on your PC and your n800 without any changes |
| 15:12.18 | lophyte | including pygtk stuff |
| 15:12.19 | liri | haven't done gtk before... I'm familiar with qt where the interface is different |
| 15:12.27 | liri | nice |
| 15:12.40 | liri | so I can just install pygtk on my desktop and mess around freely. |
| 15:12.41 | |tbb| | any other way to prevent n810 from reboot loop without cable and kill watch dog thing |
| 15:13.01 | liri | lophyte: what about pymaemo? |
| 15:13.24 | johnx | jott, well I just built the wireless driver with that patch |
| 15:13.55 | johnx | I'll copy the modules over and see what happens O_o |
| 15:14.11 | lophyte | liri, pymaemo just won't work on your PC |
| 15:14.28 | lophyte | python libraries are already compiled for the platform they're running on |
| 15:15.00 | liri | ok |
| 15:15.37 | DeLe0n | elb are you in USA? |
| 15:15.41 | elb | yeah |
| 15:15.49 | DeLe0n | elb how much will it be? |
| 15:15.55 | DeLe0n | did they ask for social security number? |
| 15:16.16 | elb | $145 shipped, and no |
| 15:16.20 | elb | (why would they?) |
| 15:16.38 | DeLe0n | elb: they told me by email that i needed SSN... and i was like wtf... |
| 15:16.55 | elb | I certainly didn't |
| 15:17.13 | DeLe0n | also some mails on the mailing list of the guys who ordered it by phone got asked for SSN |
| 15:17.18 | elb | just discount code, payment info, and phone number |
| 15:17.34 | elb | maybe for some tax jazz? |
| 15:17.40 | elb | are you getting a free unit? |
| 15:17.50 | liri | elb: $145 for the N810? where from? |
| 15:18.20 | Blafasel | Nice price. Was 360$ for me without discount from circuitcity |
| 15:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | For the discount codes, liri. |
| 15:18.41 | DeLe0n | elb: is that i'm from Mexico, and also got a discount code... but don't know if i could buy it with a mexican credit card... i have an address in TX, but, maybe i should tell a friend in USA |
| 15:18.49 | DaniloCesar | 145?!?!?!?!? 99 (discount code) + ship? |
| 15:18.58 | liri | GeneralAntilles: where do I get those discount codes? :) |
| 15:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | You don't. |
| 15:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/500_fortunate_applicants.html |
| 15:19.19 | liri | GeneralAntilles: but I'm a nice guy heh |
| 15:19.33 | Blafasel | Nice, but too late to the party. |
| 15:19.37 | DeLe0n | hehehe |
| 15:19.37 | Blafasel | ;) |
| 15:19.44 | liri | heh seems like that |
| 15:19.58 | liri | does the code grant you just one device? |
| 15:20.02 | DeLe0n | liri: but it has been hard... the waiting has been too long |
| 15:20.05 | Tak | 145 == 99 * (EUR=>USD) exchange |
| 15:20.46 | Tak | last year 99E was $120 :-/ |
| 15:20.46 | Blafasel | Ouch. Okay, the exchange rate is good for us and bad for the guys over there.. |
| 15:21.16 | Tak | Blafasel: getting better all the time, too |
| 15:21.29 | liri | should've applied earlier heh |
| 15:22.48 | liri | well on circuitcity it's like $480 now |
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| 15:23.16 | twi_ | hi |
| 15:23.24 | twi_ | I need to detect if hildon is running from python |
| 15:23.42 | twi_ | the idea is to send a MethodCallMessage on the bus with set_autostart(False) and check if I get an error back |
| 15:23.52 | twi_ | do you know what object I could use and on which bus name? |
| 15:24.25 | twi_ | with d-feet I see that I have the com.nokia.hildon-desktop bus name when running under hildon |
| 15:24.30 | twi_ | but i can't see the objects exported by it |
| 15:25.46 | lophyte | sweet, got KDE running on my n800... |
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| 15:26.18 | fysa | Is there a solution for sharing an iTunes library with an IT device? |
| 15:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | iTunes 6. ;) |
| 15:26.54 | fysa | that's what I was afraid of. ;) |
| 15:27.16 | GeneralAntilles | EyeConnect works well for me. |
| 15:27.16 | fysa | How about Firefly? |
| 15:27.49 | fysa | hmm. |
| 15:27.59 | fysa | Can EyeConnect read iTunes database? |
| 15:28.11 | fysa | I really just want the playlists. |
| 15:28.18 | fysa | and references. |
| 15:28.42 | fysa | You know.. |
| 15:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, does playlists just fine. |
| 15:29.01 | fysa | somebody did make an iTunes -> MythMusic playlist synchronizer. |
| 15:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | Mildly expensive, though. |
| 15:30.07 | fysa | If I could pull apart the iTunes database exporter, then filter the results with a regexp that converted each song to a URL link, it could be possible to make it work with mediaserv.. |
| 15:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised Canola doesn't support iTunes 7 yet. |
| 15:30.39 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: just realized your really look like an italian comic actor :) |
| 15:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, there's always mpd if you just want playback from the computer. |
| 15:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | Sssh, maddler, I'm in hiding in the US. |
| 15:31.22 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: lol! :D |
| 15:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, though, really? Which one? |
| 15:31.37 | fysa | With mpd, you control from the computer and it plays on the IT (remote speakers)? |
| 15:31.53 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: he's called Rubens |
| 15:32.01 | johnx | depends on where mpd is running |
| 15:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | Basically turns the N800 into a remote control for the computer. |
| 15:32.07 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: kinda demential... but one of my favs :) |
| 15:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | Playback wont be on the IT. |
| 15:32.20 | fysa | ah, I see. |
| 15:32.44 | fysa | close. may be the right solution though.. |
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| 15:33.09 | maddler | http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=hxQZNai5Iyg |
| 15:33.10 | maddler | :D |
| 15:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise there's UPnP |
| 15:33.24 | Spakman | alterego: how is the GtkMozEmbed stuff going? |
| 15:33.32 | maddler | sorry... it's in italian... :) |
| 15:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you could write a some sort of zeroconf interface for iTunes, fysa. ;) |
| 15:34.08 | fysa | MPD will be good when I get the HTPC back up and running (i.e., waiting for new 2.6GHz Mac Mini announcement ;)) |
| 15:34.12 | alterego | Spakman, not bad. Unfortunately I'm wrestling with a few servers I need online yesterday so Ruby maemo is taking a side line once again :/ |
| 15:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, kinda creepy, maddler. Good thing I cut my hair a couple years ago. ;) |
| 15:34.52 | Spakman | alterego: ah, that's the way it goes :( |
| 15:35.12 | alterego | Well, hopefully this week will be my last insanely busy week for a while. |
| 15:35.48 | alterego | :) |
| 15:35.55 | fysa | http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ |
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| 15:37.45 | fysa | That might work -- if you moved the music from iTunes back up a level |
| 15:38.03 | fysa | or do we have no DAAP yet? |
| 15:38.11 | pupnik | I still like the approach used by solmumaha 's knots media server best |
| 15:38.13 | fysa | (gnome-vfs-daap) |
| 15:38.23 | lophyte | anyone here using kde on n800? |
| 15:39.31 | fysa | I'd like to use the N800 as an inclusive jukebox device, streaming from my media server from anywhere given enough bandwidth -- but without having to remake playlists on the device itself. |
| 15:39.58 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: hehehehe |
| 15:40.09 | fysa | that also means integration with my wife ;) |
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| 15:42.53 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 15:45.40 | fysa | Can you sync multiple mpd servers? |
| 15:46.31 | fysa | hmm. |
| 15:47.03 | fysa | mpd client on IT, mpd server on HTPC server -- mpd server plays music out to stream, IT client plays stream |
| 15:47.31 | fysa | mpd server also plays stream |
| 15:47.50 | johnx | jott, I figured out one of my big problems I think: /var/run was a dangling symlink |
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| 15:48.05 | fysa | to networked esound over LAN |
| 15:48.35 | fysa | HTPC front end and desktops keep esd ready/waiting |
| 15:49.22 | johnx | and woo! wireless, video, and touchscreen work in debian |
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| 15:49.48 | johnx | so far absent: powersaving, sound, access to the RTC (?!) |
| 15:49.49 | fysa | that would come close, and almost 'synchronize' music from your IT and your home. |
| 15:50.14 | Tak | hmm, esd doesn't work out of the box? |
| 15:50.29 | fysa | haven't tried, but the executable seems to run? |
| 15:50.34 | johnx | with that I will catch a couple hours sleep |
| 15:50.35 | fysa | maybe listening mode has problems? |
| 15:50.37 | johnx | 'night all |
| 15:51.23 | fysa | my goal: If I'm driving and tethered, streaming music from home, I can walk in the door and have the same playlist/song be playing. |
| 15:51.37 | fysa | (on the home theater receiver) |
| 15:52.26 | jott | johnx: nice one! |
| 15:52.37 | fysa | and vice versa. I can pick my playlist before I get in the car, which would be nice for roadtrips. |
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| 15:53.15 | johnx | jott, yeah. I would have been hung up on wifi for days without that patch. with the patch it was just business as usual with wpa-supplicant |
| 15:53.21 | fysa | anyway. back to the real world.. will play more this weekend. ;) |
| 15:53.37 | johnx | anyways, tablet and me need to sleep for a bit :) |
| 15:53.43 | fysa | johnx: You're using debian-armel distro? |
| 15:53.50 | johnx | yeah |
| 15:53.55 | johnx | :D |
| 15:53.59 | fysa | any desktop environment? |
| 15:54.13 | johnx | I installed wmaker to make sure X works |
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| 15:54.24 | johnx | it's nice and fast but no good for a touch screen |
| 15:54.29 | johnx | too much right click necessary |
| 15:54.36 | johnx | will probably get matchbox setup |
| 15:54.41 | fysa | is there a gnome-portable UI? |
| 15:55.00 | glass | what, normal debian running on tablet? 810? |
| 15:55.08 | johnx | glass, n800 |
| 15:55.13 | glass | nice man :) |
| 15:55.27 | VRe | wireless works too? |
| 15:55.30 | fysa | is matchbox what the new Linux-based UMPCs are using? |
| 15:55.32 | johnx | heh...I talk about this for hours and only now people are interested |
| 15:55.42 | johnx | fysa, it's what a lot of stuff uses |
| 15:55.44 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Let's see how good iodine works |
| 15:55.48 | johnx | including the tablets |
| 15:55.50 | VRe | johnx: the time is now right? :) |
| 15:55.58 | johnx | VRe, wireless works |
| 15:55.59 | johnx | even wpa |
| 15:56.04 | fysa | midinux? |
| 15:56.13 | Tak | hah, how about wep+peap |
| 15:56.33 | johnx | Tak, well wpa_supplicant works, so I would assume anything it can handle will be fine |
| 15:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised there isn't some sort of networked synchronized playback solution for home audio. |
| 15:56.39 | fysa | http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/intel_redflag_MIDinux_UI.jpg |
| 15:56.41 | Tak | killer |
| 15:56.51 | VRe | Tak: I would think that anything which works with desktop works now on nokia too |
| 15:57.07 | Tak | VRe: you would think so, but that hasn't been the case to date... |
| 15:57.09 | johnx | VRe, that's the motivation |
| 15:57.21 | johnx | anything in the debian armel distro should work |
| 15:57.24 | johnx | armel is armel |
| 15:57.35 | VRe | GeneralAntilles: I think there was a plugin for xmms, and xmms has been ported so.. |
| 15:58.02 | jott | johnx: maybe you could write down somewhere what you did to get all running.. |
| 15:58.18 | johnx | jott, tomorrow :) |
| 15:58.19 | VRe | johnx: now if the maemo stack would run on top of debian, we would have hacker free platform |
| 15:58.21 | jott | sure.. |
| 15:58.32 | jott | guess it's quite easy when you know what to do ;) |
| 15:58.33 | VRe | .. platform free for hackers I mean :) |
| 15:58.37 | johnx | VRe, http://pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org I think |
| 15:58.38 | Tak | man, if we could get a debian-armel installer with busybox, hildon, and matchbox default... |
| 15:59.13 | fysa | johnx: try installing hildon via debian-armel ;) |
| 15:59.28 | johnx | the packages aren't done yet I think |
| 15:59.34 | johnx | check the link |
| 15:59.56 | VRe | and.. if debian will run on n770 too with wireless.. |
| 16:00.11 | fysa | http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/libh/libhildonmime/ |
| 16:00.13 | johnx | VRe, now you see my grand scheme :D |
| 16:00.15 | johnx | muahahaha |
| 16:00.24 | johnx | fysa, they're missing a lot of stuff |
| 16:00.29 | fysa | http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/libh/libhildon/ |
| 16:00.29 | fysa | ah |
| 16:00.34 | fysa | looks relatively recent |
| 16:00.37 | fysa | which is promising |
| 16:00.38 | johnx | it is |
| 16:00.49 | johnx | the missing stuff is just waiting to be compiled :D |
| 16:01.01 | VRe | johnx: I was thinking that maemo should be doable as it is done for the intel tablets too, but I was not so sure about the wireless - that it would work |
| 16:01.02 | johnx | waiting for hildon-desktop and osso-gwconnect |
| 16:01.23 | johnx | VRe, it's "doable" sure, but packaging it all nice is still a PITA |
| 16:01.35 | VRe | johnx: SNAFU |
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| 16:01.57 | fysa | a debian-armel distro with hildon/kde/matchbox selection via xdm :) |
| 16:02.14 | johnx | I figure more people will get interested once they see a running debian in a nice .tar.bz2 |
| 16:02.57 | johnx | and debian+maemo4.0 is a pretty nice looking route for the 770 people :) |
| 16:03.10 | fysa | VRe: you know.. intel tablets could probably run scratchbox at native resolution via vmware faster than we can run it natively ;) |
| 16:03.12 | VRe | johnx, does it run os2008 software or those need recompiling? |
| 16:03.25 | Tak | hah, yeah - no need to continually backport software to ancient libs |
| 16:03.31 | VRe | fysa: Yeah, but how long :) |
| 16:03.35 | VRe | bit battery |
| 16:03.48 | johnx | fysa, not the low power stuff |
| 16:03.54 | pupnik | http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Overview_of_GNU_Autotools |
| 16:04.04 | johnx | arstechnica was saying they might actually be slower clock-for-clock than arm stuff |
| 16:04.27 | johnx | VRe, they might run if you sort out dependencies |
| 16:04.33 | Tak | pupnik: http://sourceware.org/autobook/autobook/autobook_toc.html |
| 16:04.39 | VRe | arm is quite speedy one, the thing is that it is just wrong architecture for some |
| 16:04.42 | johnx | VRe, but hopefully the worst case will be just a quick recompile+repackage |
| 16:04.54 | fysa | if we can get an 800MHz 256MB device out of Nokia, I would be a happy man |
| 16:05.00 | pupnik | gah, TMI |
| 16:05.08 | VRe | johnx: running os2008 is chroot is quick hack :) |
| 16:05.20 | johnx | VRe, but double the RAM usage :/ |
| 16:05.28 | Tak | Tak thinks fysa meant: if we can get an 800MHz 256MB device with the same battery life we have now out of Nokia, I would be a happy man |
| 16:05.28 | pupnik | ram consumes batter btw |
| 16:05.28 | Tak | fysa: s/device/\& with the same battery life we have now/ |
| 16:05.48 | pupnik | stop reading my mind Tak |
| 16:05.52 | fysa | well, indeed. The reduction in die-size will get us part of the way.. :) |
| 16:05.57 | VRe | fysa: havent you heard that mhz wars are over :) |
| 16:06.12 | Tak | pupnik: stop leaving interesting articles lying around in it |
| 16:06.21 | fysa | but even then, I just want the 800MHz in bursts here and there. |
| 16:06.45 | bmidgley_ | a better cpu would be great |
| 16:06.53 | johnx | I'm actually really happy with the speed as is |
| 16:07.06 | fysa | idle and stay at 180/200Mhz, but let me waste my battery when I need to run a spreadsheet. |
| 16:07.07 | VRe | fysa: until somebody dumps full-hd video on the device and says.. aah it plays - though the battery life sucks :) |
| 16:07.09 | bmidgley_ | omap is really struggling to run a2dp encoder well... |
| 16:07.15 | bmidgley_ | pxa270 spanks it |
| 16:07.30 | johnx | bmidgley, I think that's software |
| 16:07.56 | bmidgley_ | johnx I've been working on the encoder... same software runs in 2% cpu on pxa270 |
| 16:07.57 | johnx | I'll be able to prove it soon now that I have a debian env to test a2dp away from some of the brain damaged nokia stuff |
| 16:08.02 | bmidgley_ | and over 20% on omap |
| 16:08.25 | johnx | bmidgley, that's a hell of a lot better than I see locally on either hardware, so where's the link? |
| 16:08.30 | Tak | I'm pretty happy with the speed, except for high-intensity things like emulation |
| 16:08.50 | bmidgley_ | bluez-utils cvs head has some good new optimizations |
| 16:09.05 | johnx | I'll be looking at that shortly |
| 16:09.05 | bmidgley_ | but some arm assembly will help a lot and we're still working that in |
| 16:09.06 | VRe | johnx: there was just some dude from nokia on the maemo-list today or yesterday mailing about the maemos derivation from debian |
| 16:09.08 | johnx | thanks for the heads up |
| 16:09.13 | fysa | My attention span has evolved to 2008. I want my device to accommodate my 2008 attention span, not devolve it back to 1998. ;) |
| 16:09.30 | johnx | ah, awesome |
| 16:10.17 | lophyte | hey all, anyone know how to get KDE to start on boot, rather than booting into the hildon destkop? |
| 16:10.17 | lophyte | desk...top |
| 16:10.17 | johnx | I retract anything I said about A2DP |
| 16:10.17 | t_s_o | hmm? |
| 16:10.24 | johnx | bmidgley, so are you working on A2DP for Nokia? |
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| 16:11.12 | VRe | johnx: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/014112.html |
| 16:11.19 | johnx | VRe, thanks |
| 16:11.33 | bmidgley_ | johnx not for nokia |
| 16:11.47 | bmidgley_ | I get a lot of help from Nokia guys, esp INdT |
| 16:12.06 | |tbb| | maddler: welcome to the club |
| 16:12.33 | johnx | bmidgley, do you have an N8x0? |
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| 16:12.51 | bmidgley_ | johnx just ordered!! :) |
| 16:12.55 | Tak | heh, I'm sure indt is very interested in better a2dp |
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| 16:13.04 | johnx | ah |
| 16:13.04 | bmidgley_ | ergh, I mean n810 just ordered, have an n800 |
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| 16:13.22 | bmidgley_ | johnx we think the real problem is the cache on omap |
| 16:13.44 | johnx | did you post on itt on the a2dp thread? |
| 16:13.45 | bmidgley_ | 8 associations not 32 like on pxa and neo1973 (can't remember the cpu there) |
| 16:14.01 | bmidgley_ | johnx I have posted there not recently |
| 16:14.05 | VRe | johnx: I should send the news about debian working to the devel-list.. I would think people would be more than interested :) |
| 16:14.06 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 16:14.09 | johnx | I remember your post |
| 16:14.32 | johnx | VRe, hold off for one day, and I'll do a writeup and post it myself :) |
| 16:15.06 | VRe | johnx: No, not me - the honor is yours |
| 16:15.21 | johnx | heh |
| 16:15.26 | johnx | it's just a hack right now |
| 16:15.35 | johnx | debian doesn't even know what runlevel it's in |
| 16:15.42 | VRe | johnx: typo.. /I/You/ |
| 16:15.54 | johnx | ah |
| 16:16.18 | zoran | johnx, who -r |
| 16:16.32 | johnx | zoran, nothing |
| 16:16.36 | johnx | neat |
| 16:16.37 | zoran | hm! |
| 16:16.54 | johnx | I think I didn't have a real /var/run for much of boot |
| 16:17.04 | johnx | that might have messed things up |
| 16:17.05 | |tbb| | bmidgley what means we get better a2dp support, for example |
| 16:17.23 | zoran | johnx,could you point me to docs and place to see the install media? |
| 16:17.36 | johnx | zoran, install media? |
| 16:17.51 | zoran | where you get distro? debian-arm? |
| 16:17.55 | johnx | ah |
| 16:18.02 | bmidgley_ | |tbb| the better a2dp handling is out of the box in bluez-utils, the better in maemo |
| 16:18.19 | johnx | zoran, http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
| 16:18.24 | ph|ber | anyone have kde on the 810? |
| 16:18.25 | zoran | k |
| 16:18.28 | bmidgley_ | the "hack" to turn it on will get simpler and simpler |
| 16:18.45 | |tbb| | hope you will find a nice way ;) |
| 16:19.21 | johnx | zoran, quick version: make a debian chroot on an ext2/3 formatted sd card, get boot from sd working with fanoush's initfs, boot |
| 16:19.32 | johnx | of course at that point you tablet will just sit there |
| 16:19.48 | zoran | have to read first :) |
| 16:19.52 | johnx | the trick is to hijack one of the early scripts to get usbnet working |
| 16:19.53 | zoran | and think second |
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| 16:20.18 | VRe | I think the best thing in long run with the debian running is that the cleanup and QA which is done for the packages - maemo really needs that |
| 16:20.35 | zoran | the whole fun is in making the thing work, not the work system itself |
| 16:20.54 | johnx | zoran, page down to where it talks about debootstrap |
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| 16:21.09 | zoran | see it |
| 16:21.12 | johnx | you can do the first part on your desktop, and the second part from the tablet |
| 16:22.04 | zoran | interesting reading |
| 16:23.36 | johnx | anyways, now I really need to go to bed ;) |
| 16:23.45 | johnx | I will put something on a wiki tomorrow |
| 16:23.52 | johnx | 'night all |
| 16:23.52 | maddler | |tbb| club? |
| 16:25.03 | pupnik | VRe: that's the downside of the fragmentation of developers due to multiple portable linux distros. I'd like to see ITOS get on more devices, or some convergence between distros. Google's initiative is accursed in this regard. |
| 16:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:26.05 | zoran | Tak, on coke? |
| 16:26.18 | Tak | why not? |
| 16:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | Dead raccoons? |
| 16:26.40 | zoran | and wait to boot and open the bottle |
| 16:27.11 | skibur | I got my four Wisdom Teeth Extracted on Friday |
| 16:27.22 | skibur | I will code new Wisdom Teeth today. Anybody have libnerve? |
| 16:27.25 | VRe | pupnik: spot on, debian running on n8x0,n770,intel.. who cares as long it runs and the same stuff works on every platform the debian way :) |
| 16:27.52 | zoran | if intended |
| 16:27.58 | Tak | skibur: I uninstalled libnerve; it was just distracting me |
| 16:28.06 | skibur | :) |
| 16:28.48 | skibur | PenguinBait will join us soon this Friday |
| 16:28.49 | skibur | :P |
| 16:29.12 | pupnik | Is hildon going to become an official extension of gnome? |
| 16:29.34 | VRe | pupnki: something like that |
| 16:30.00 | zoran | maybe something like qnx could suit 770/800 just fine |
| 16:30.13 | zoran | if it could be free |
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| 16:30.45 | Tak | pupnik: btw, I finished complete vala rewrite of xmaeme, complete with hildonizations for chinook and bora |
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| 16:32.51 | pupnik | cool |
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| 16:33.17 | pupnik | Tak, what dosbox needs is a way for users to specifcy config options on a per-game basis |
| 16:33.57 | pupnik | there's a decent python frontend that does it - i didn't get the xmaeme part fully working but i'll check out your new version |
| 16:34.16 | Tak | oh yeah - I haven't checked it into garage svn or done a release yet |
| 16:34.27 | Tak | I can send you a source tarball if you'd like |
| 16:34.35 | pupnik | no, please not yet |
| 16:35.01 | pupnik | i need to learn profiling |
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| 16:37.36 | Tak | hah, I don't think profiling will do you much good with vala |
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| 16:39.23 | pupnik | yeah, but there has to be something i can do to improve dosbox performance |
| 16:40.02 | fysa | vala compiles to C code, right? |
| 16:40.11 | fysa | 'compiles' |
| 16:40.22 | Tak | well, it compiles to native, with an intermediate C-code phase |
| 16:40.37 | zoran | pupnik, I recall dosemu some years ago |
| 16:41.03 | zoran | worked better, lower memory footprint |
| 16:41.07 | fysa | how close is arm vs armel asm? |
| 16:41.11 | pupnik | zoran: yes, that's the DOS equivalent to Wine. Needs x86 cpu. |
| 16:41.18 | zoran | ah |
| 16:41.21 | Khertan | vala ??? an other new language ? |
| 16:43.15 | Dasajev | http://live.gnome.org/Vala |
| 16:43.30 | Tak | Tak thinks Khertan meant: vala ??? an AWESOME new language ! |
| 16:43.30 | Tak | Khertan: s/other(.*)\?/AWESOME\1!/ |
| 16:43.31 | Khertan | ouch i'm looking at |
| 16:44.44 | Khertan | i don't think it s a good idea to create a language for an api ... |
| 16:45.34 | zoran | if it suits better... |
| 16:45.56 | Tak | Khertan: it's not created for an api as much as using an api to implement language features |
| 16:46.14 | Khertan | hum |
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| 16:47.52 | fysa | I believe it suits a multi-architecture same-UI memory-efficient get-it-done-now world fairly well. |
| 16:47.53 | Khertan | it s look like a mix between c and java |
| 16:47.58 | zoran | anywhere available ssleay for gregale? |
| 16:48.23 | Tak | syntactically, it seems pretty similar to c# |
| 16:48.30 | Khertan | fysa > i believe objc do it better ;) |
| 16:48.41 | Khertan | yes it s look like ... |
| 16:49.27 | Khertan | and seems to have some of this defect too :) |
| 16:49.49 | Tak | Khertan: you just don't like it because it isn't python :-P |
| 16:50.12 | Khertan | Tak > i don't like it because it s not python or objc :) |
| 16:50.34 | Khertan | i can say i don't like it ... i m just not interested ... for the moment. |
| 16:50.40 | Khertan | it s only a 0.1.6 release |
| 16:52.05 | Khertan | hum ... bye ... come back to home |
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| 16:57.20 | nelson | Finally! |
| 16:57.32 | olik | Why |
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| 16:58.26 | pupnik | has anyone here submitted open-source projects to governments / NGOs for sponsorship? |
| 16:58.38 | olik | poor pupnik |
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| 17:03.33 | pupnik | that's literally true. but i was wondering what I could do to encourage some smart person to develop dynamic recompiler for X86->ARM within dosbox. Would make windows possible on the tablet. |
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| 17:05.09 | olik | poor pupnik |
| 17:06.01 | zoran | rather pure pupnik |
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| 17:07.29 | zoran | btw, some1 used gnutls to tunnel pipe to remote server? |
| 17:07.54 | olik | poor zoran |
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| 17:09.17 | zoran | olik looks to be java robot? |
| 17:10.09 | olik | why |
| 17:11.24 | Tak | olik needs to be kicked |
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| 17:12.17 | olik | poor Tak |
| 17:12.42 | Tak | see? |
| 17:13.34 | olik | Tak: nobody wants your comments¨ |
| 17:13.47 | Tak | olik: likewise |
| 17:14.02 | olik | nobody wants your answers either |
| 17:14.06 | Tak | olik: likewise |
| 17:14.42 | Veggen | hmm. I've lost my shortcut-toolbar on osso-xterm. |
| 17:14.44 | olik | nobody wants your "likewise" |
| 17:14.58 | Tak | olik: likewise |
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| 17:16.05 | Veggen | what's the version supposed to be on newest os2008 ? |
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| 17:16.33 | b0unc3 | auhauhua K-lined :D |
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| 17:17.43 | michele_ | I tought these people didn't exist anymore.. |
| 17:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | The world is full of unpleasant people. |
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| 17:18.44 | Tak | ...but you've got the pistol, so you get the pesos? |
| 17:19.36 | fysa | pupnik: are any parts asm already? |
| 17:20.43 | fysa | slightly interesting: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071210.122721.48265ec1.en.html |
| 17:27.00 | pupnik | fysa: no |
| 17:29.48 | fysa | is arm/armel similar enough to take portions of the gp32x dosbox and smash them in? |
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| 17:43.48 | guardian | ah great, expect 500 emails from people now able to use their discount code on the devel list :D |
| 17:44.24 | Tak | guardian: soon you'll be able to resubscribe |
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| 17:45.09 | guardian | yeah i was searching something using gmane and noticed there is still bandwith waste about the codes ;) |
| 17:45.26 | thoughtfix | It's fixed? |
| 17:45.29 | thoughtfix | yay |
| 17:45.39 | Tak | should be about over; the US codes are fixed, and they were the last iirc |
| 17:45.41 | thoughtfix | oh wait - I don't have a code |
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| 17:47.32 | michele_ | "Given the necessary micro-mini-normal-USB adapters and gender-changer-adapters you can connect external harddiscs etc." |
| 17:47.39 | michele_ | what does this mean? |
| 17:47.49 | michele_ | what is a gender-changer-adapter? |
| 17:48.00 | thoughtfix | It turns you from a boy into a girl |
| 17:48.01 | |tbb| | male to female ;) |
| 17:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | Cheaper than a sex change. |
| 17:48.07 | thoughtfix | rofl |
| 17:48.09 | michele_ | rofl |
| 17:48.21 | michele_ | okay |
| 17:48.39 | michele_ | does that mean that I don't need software hacks to plug a USB storage? |
| 17:48.48 | michele_ | just the necessary cables? |
| 17:49.02 | thoughtfix | I remember having to explain to my stepfather many years ago the package for a "male to male" thing in the trash. |
| 17:49.26 | proteous | lol |
| 17:49.28 | |tbb| | anyone else but maddler has problems with latest rfcomm or modest update which turns n810 into loop reboot |
| 17:49.37 | michele_ | I do |
| 17:49.42 | thoughtfix | michele_: I am talking to Nokia about that now. I trust you read Kate's article? |
| 17:49.47 | michele_ | and other people in the forum and the ML |
| 17:49.53 | michele_ | thoughtfix: no |
| 17:50.08 | thoughtfix | michele_: Go to maemo.org - it's the top story under "News" |
| 17:50.37 | michele_ | ooh great |
| 17:50.56 | thoughtfix | I may be without tablet soon... My N800's battery only lasts for 6 hours standby and 2 hours use lately. |
| 17:50.59 | |tbb| | what can i do when i dont got a microusb cable by hand |
| 17:51.11 | thoughtfix | Order one ;) |
| 17:51.43 | thoughtfix | Hey look! I'm in line to review a Sony Mylo Com-2 |
| 17:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | That thing has crazy dpi |
| 17:52.11 | thoughtfix | Yeah... 800x480 on a smaller screen |
| 17:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5" |
| 17:52.19 | thoughtfix | You saw my CES side-by-side pictures? |
| 17:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | Almost too high. |
| 17:52.27 | thoughtfix | Oh ... I haven't published the albums yet |
| 17:52.30 | thoughtfix | durr |
| 17:52.38 | thoughtfix | Waiting to finish the Nokia interview first |
| 17:52.48 | thoughtfix | Which, in turn, is waiting on the USB OTG question |
| 17:53.04 | |tbb| | thoughtfix: are you talking about usb otg or because of my reboot loop problem? |
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| 17:53.35 | thoughtfix | At CES, I mentioned that people keep asking me when they can plug in devices to USB OTG and have them "just work" |
| 17:53.44 | thoughtfix | Victor said "Follow up with me over Email" |
| 17:53.54 | thoughtfix | and now we're tracking down the answer together. |
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| 17:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | 'grats |
| 17:59.34 | jackster | hey GeneralAntilles |
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| 18:02.54 | lophyte | damn where's penguinbait |
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| 18:04.27 | michele_ | uhm |
| 18:04.50 | michele_ | is it expected for me to see midgard's menu when I am logged on maemo.org? |
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| 18:05.56 | michele_ | no, I think it wasn't |
| 18:06.01 | michele_ | as it just crashed |
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| 18:08.09 | lardman | afternoon |
| 18:10.31 | ph|ber | anyway to overclock the 810? |
| 18:11.23 | lardman | does the kernel side of cpufreq give any clues? |
| 18:11.35 | korpios | ph|ber: I'm pretty sure it's already the same chip as the previous model, overclocked. |
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| 18:12.11 | korpios | So I don't think you can squeeze much more out of it. ^_^ |
| 18:13.29 | michele_ | korpios: I'm pretty sure the previous one was *underclocked* |
| 18:14.15 | t_s_1 | Mmm, this is interesting. Right now im using pidgin on my N800 and the freedom universal bluetooth keyboard :) |
| 18:14.40 | lardman | t_s_1: Why Pidgin, why not the build-in messenger? |
| 18:15.12 | t_s_1 | Good question, i had basically forgotten that it could do irc now :P |
| 18:15.29 | ph|ber | korpios: just noticed that kde was a little slugish.. but.. oh well.. how do you right click ? |
| 18:15.32 | korpios | Oh, well, if michele_ is right, maybe you can! |
| 18:15.35 | lardman | I've not tried with IRC |
| 18:15.47 | lcuk_2 | technically according to ti, the omap 2420 can go from 330mhz to 1ghz, battery life onm the 8x0 might be measured in the seconds though ;) |
| 18:15.55 | jacques-work | hmm that would be a good fight - pidgin / gaim historically has weak irc support |
| 18:16.01 | korpios | ph|ber: I'm still waiting for mine; just ordered it today (since they just fixed the US store) :-) |
| 18:16.09 | lardman | I think Igor was going to put up a wiki page about the dividers |
| 18:16.15 | korpios | lcuk_2: hah :) |
| 18:16.19 | Tak | hah @ 1ghz |
| 18:16.51 | lardman | Tak: warm hand at that speed I imagine |
| 18:16.51 | ph|ber | Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 2 (v6l) |
| 18:16.51 | ph|ber | BogoMIPS : 160.68 |
| 18:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, I don't think the chips in our devices are rated for above 400MHz |
| 18:16.52 | jacques-work | wait states for the RAM would be measured on both hands |
| 18:17.09 | ph|ber | the 800s were getting like 320 |
| 18:17.14 | lcuk_2 | gen, dont let facts stand in the way of a good joke :P |
| 18:17.26 | lardman | ph|ber: bogomips? |
| 18:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | ph|ber, it throttles. |
| 18:17.37 | lcuk_2 | and since its ti themselves that tell us this it must be true |
| 18:17.38 | ph|ber | yes.. |
| 18:17.39 | lardman | ph|ber: What cpu frequency are you running at? cpufreq |
| 18:17.41 | jacques-work | ph|ber, dynamic clocking |
| 18:17.42 | thoughtfix | MIPS are Millions of Instructions Per Second |
| 18:17.42 | ph|ber | thats a cpuinfo |
| 18:17.51 | thoughtfix | But over time that became meaningless |
| 18:18.01 | ph|ber | no such command. |
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| 18:18.17 | Tak | bogomips are amount of herring consumed per annum |
| 18:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:18.37 | lardman | thoughtfix: I was asking what the 320 was measured in, not what a mip is; but thanks |
| 18:18.56 | jacques-work | lol the other day I saw a wiki page comparing arm bogomips vs x86 (P3) bogomips |
| 18:19.05 | jacques-work | as if that had any meaning whatsoever |
| 18:19.31 | lcuk_2 | Tak, are they unladen herrings? |
| 18:19.48 | jacques-work | unladen English herrings |
| 18:19.49 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/ |
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| 18:20.27 | lcuk_2 | english herrings are tiny |
| 18:20.29 | maddler | any clue where rtcom stores account data? |
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| 18:21.07 | jacques-work | does OS2008 use VFP ? |
| 18:21.17 | lardman | no |
| 18:21.23 | jacques-work | aaaargh. |
| 18:21.27 | lardman | ah, actually I'm not sure |
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| 18:21.35 | lardman | so I'll take that back, but I imagine not |
| 18:21.37 | maddler | fighting against #2803! |
| 18:21.39 | t_s_o | bah, trying irc with the buildt in chat is annoying, as the input fields insist on making the first letter upper case by default... |
| 18:21.51 | Tak | I think you can turn that off in the control panel |
| 18:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off auto-capitalization. |
| 18:21.55 | jacques-work | t_s_o, that might be configurable |
| 18:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Or just use xchat, as it's much better than both. |
| 18:22.01 | jacques-work | yeah what GeneralAntilles said |
| 18:22.02 | lcuk_2 | lardman, wasnt vfp not included in the kernel because of the instruction size? |
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| 18:22.12 | jacques-work | double yeah what GeneralAntilles said |
| 18:22.16 | Tak | does the chinook xchat have plugin support? |
| 18:22.16 | t_s_o | heh, i could not find xchat for os08 |
| 18:22.17 | ph|ber | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 18:22.54 | lcuk_2 | you cant use the half sized instructions with vfp so the kernel ends up much larger compiled if you use it |
| 18:23.02 | lcuk_2 | ^i think anyway |
| 18:23.16 | jacques-work | half sized instructions == thumb ? |
| 18:23.18 | lardman | lcuk_2: that was my understanding, yes |
| 18:23.37 | lcuk_2 | yer |
| 18:23.37 | lcuk_2 | didnt know the technical name ;) |
| 18:23.40 | lardman | not the kernel presumably as you'd not use floating point there |
| 18:23.53 | jacques-work | yeah I was thinking same thing |
| 18:23.54 | lardman | but the rest of the system |
| 18:23.56 | jacques-work | no FP in kernel |
| 18:24.04 | thoughtfix | Ha! Six months ago I was denied into YouTube's affiliate/partner/revenue sharing program. Now they Emailed me asking me to apply again. |
| 18:24.19 | jacques-work | thoughtfix, you are much more famous now |
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| 18:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | thoughtfix, get them back, say no! :P |
| 18:24.57 | t_s_o | hey thoughtfix, any more info on that limepc? |
| 18:24.59 | jacques-work | heh |
| 18:25.06 | thoughtfix | Haha |
| 18:25.12 | lardman | I wonder if that's a limitation of GCC, it should be possible to switch to and from Thumb; shouldn't it? |
| 18:25.17 | thoughtfix | t_s_o: I am waiting for an Email back from their VP in America |
| 18:25.40 | lardman | i.e. use Thumb most of the time then switch to normal mode for vfp stuff |
| 18:25.42 | thoughtfix | He's a ThoughtFix fan - watched my "how to release Linux devices" coffee with thoughtfix episode |
| 18:25.48 | jacques-work | lardman, I dunno, the thumb / VFP limitation sounds vaguely familiar to me |
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| 18:25.59 | lcuk_2 | lard, you would have thought so, but in the document i was reading i think that brings about its own problems |
| 18:26.14 | lardman | fair enough, I've not read the docs in a while |
| 18:26.38 | jacques-work | I guess in the general case, the space savings were worth the lower performance FP |
| 18:26.50 | lardman | All you need to do it compile libm for vfp then link against that, then you can do fast maths if you so desire and ignore the rest of the system |
| 18:26.59 | lardman | yes, exactly |
| 18:27.01 | lcuk_2 | hmmmm...... "It is possible to dynamically switch between the two instruction-sets, thus gaining the advantages of both." http://www.simplemachines.it/doc/ARM_COMBO_ap01.html |
| 18:27.24 | lardman | yes, I thought so, perhaps a GCC limitation then |
| 18:27.27 | jacques-work | hmm, "possible" could mean lots of things ;-) |
| 18:27.31 | lardman | :) |
| 18:27.46 | lcuk_2 | The GNUPro compilers are able to produce code for both the ARM and Thumb instruction sets, but only at a file level of granularity. Thus the programmer can choose whether individual functions should be encoded as either ARM or Thumb instructions, but they cannot specify that specific parts of a function should be ARM or Thumb. |
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| 18:28.55 | ph|ber | ahh! |
| 18:28.58 | Tak | that can't be of extremely high usefulness anyway |
| 18:29.01 | ph|ber | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 18:29.26 | T][s][o | there we go |
| 18:29.48 | T][s][o | thanks for the link GeneralAntilles |
| 18:29.51 | kulve | switching between thumb and non-thumb is slow on armv6 |
| 18:30.02 | lardman | lcuk_2: so does file level mean complied file level or object file level? |
| 18:30.15 | lardman | s/compiled/end binary |
| 18:30.39 | lardman | kulve: ah, well that will be the kicker then |
| 18:30.46 | lcuk_2 | it says the gnupro toolkit includes 2 seperate compilers which produce the different instruction sets, so i would say per resultant object file |
| 18:31.06 | lardman | assuming they can then be linked together that is |
| 18:31.16 | maddler810 | heya lardman... how is your course going? |
| 18:31.16 | T][s][o | one annoying thing about this keyboard is the placement of the enter key. i keep hitting it when im going for right shift... |
| 18:31.40 | lcuk_2 | When the assembled object files are linked together the linker will generate special code to switch between the two instruction sets whenever a call is made from an ARM function to a Thumb function or vice versa. |
| 18:31.45 | lardman | maddler810: not too bad thanks |
| 18:32.13 | lardman | maddler810: busy though, teaching all day then refining next day's notes in the evening; feeling a bit tired |
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| 18:32.39 | maddler810 | lardman: I know the feeling ;) |
| 18:33.10 | lardman | maddler810: it's good though, nice to have students who want to learn, nice feeling imparting knowledge :) |
| 18:33.36 | Tak | students who want to learn? I thought they were extinct! |
| 18:33.47 | ph|ber | ok.. so this could be a pain. |
| 18:33.49 | maddler810 | lardman: yeah... that makes you feel apreciated... |
| 18:33.55 | lardman | Tak: doctorate students |
| 18:34.15 | lcuk_2 | tak, find the classes where the students pay to be there and you will find the attentionspan increases |
| 18:34.23 | ph|ber | 810. |
| 18:34.28 | ph|ber | booting from internal mmc with kde. |
| 18:34.30 | lardman | maddler810: also nice to feel you can explain the mysteries of for loops and if statements :D |
| 18:34.39 | Tak | lcuk_2: not undergrad college students in the US |
| 18:34.40 | lardman | oops, being summoned to do the washing up, back soon |
| 18:34.41 | ph|ber | i also have a 4gig microsd card in. |
| 18:34.49 | ph|ber | wont boot from mmc if its in.. |
| 18:34.49 | dhd | lardman: hey, I was looking for the ogg dsp code, have you put it up on the project page yet? |
| 18:34.54 | |tbb| | maddler found your cable? |
| 18:35.00 | lardman|washing | dhd: no |
| 18:35.02 | dhd | ah |
| 18:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, only sorta, plenty of stupid required classes to waste your time as an undergrad. ;) |
| 18:35.11 | lardman|washing | dhd: give me 10min and I'll have a chat |
| 18:35.21 | lardman|washing | dhd: need to add the GPL to the files then upload |
| 18:35.23 | dhd | that's okay I should be working on my PhD thesis anyway :) |
| 18:35.31 | dhd | but I would like to take a look at it |
| 18:35.37 | t_s_o | so, anyone else having trouble connecting to msn using the rtcomm "beta"? |
| 18:35.41 | lardman|washing | dhd: you need something to distract you of course :) |
| 18:35.55 | |tbb| | is the led in n810 a more color led or are there just three leds inside? |
| 18:36.11 | ph|ber | anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's three that give you RGB, |tbb|. |
| 18:39.12 | dhd | sometime this week I am going to look at TI DSPlib |
| 18:39.38 | Tak | lcuk_2: you turned off the internet? |
| 18:39.52 | jacques-work | lol |
| 18:39.57 | lcuk_2 | not me, think GeneralAntilles caught that big red button again |
| 18:40.19 | GeneralAntilles | I just can't help it. :( |
| 18:40.29 | lcuk_2 | anyone notice when your connection goes down you open more windows and get more lag |
| 18:40.45 | |tbb| | better turned off as deleted |
| 18:41.02 | pupnik | the jolly, candy-like button |
| 18:41.04 | lcuk_2 | no, dont delete the internet - im nearly at 5000 posts on slash |
| 18:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:41.45 | GeneralAntilles | You gotta browse at -1 to see them though. |
| 18:42.26 | lcuk_2 | :P |
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| 18:42.44 | lcuk_2 | is that really something to brag about |
| 18:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 18:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | I just read /. |
| 18:43.35 | lcuk_2 | mind you, ive been posting there now for (jeesus) 8 years |
| 18:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | How many digits? :P |
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| 18:44.34 | lcuk_2 | oh i got there way after the goldrush, need at least 10 (almost 11 now) for anything less than 6 |
| 18:46.19 | t_s_o | hmm, i find a setting for correcting case with handwriting, but nothing about the onscreen or bluetooth keyboard... |
| 18:47.32 | t_s_o | gah, found it. i had to go into the settings for each dictionary! |
| 18:48.47 | lcuk_2 | hmmmm.. google only lists the first 100 pages of results |
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| 18:59.59 | MoRpHeUz | anybody here coming to bossaconference ? |
| 19:00.22 | Tak | did you mail me plane tickets? |
| 19:00.45 | MoRpHeUz | Tak: =P |
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| 19:03.08 | t_s_o | oh crap, seems i have the reboot loop :( |
| 19:03.14 | lardman | dhd: I need to get on and publish that code |
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| 19:03.26 | t_s_o | should have seen that one coming when the chat started erroring on me |
| 19:03.40 | maddler | t_s_o: installed rtcom? |
| 19:03.41 | b0unc3 | t_s_o: me too :( |
| 19:03.42 | lardman | dhd: but have been busy this week teaching & preparing the course, etc |
| 19:03.44 | Tak | hah, I stopped getting the reboot loop on my 770 when I added more swap |
| 19:04.16 | b0unc3 | Tak: I have 128mb of swap enabled... |
| 19:04.46 | t_s_o | and i finally figured out why msn wasnt working, i needed to set the nickname. should have been a warning about that... |
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| 19:05.21 | t_s_o | gah, and i do not have ssh installed :( so i guess my only option is to do the firmware dance... |
| 19:05.32 | t_s_o | typical... |
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| 19:05.54 | Tak | heh, you probably don't need more on an n8[01]0 |
| 19:05.58 | |tbb| | how to search irclogs with exact phrases |
| 19:06.17 | |tbb| | maddler found your cable? |
| 19:06.40 | felipec | t_s_o: how do you use msn? |
| 19:07.02 | t_s_o | well right now pidgin is the best option, as the rtcomm stuff is buggy... |
| 19:09.04 | felipec | t_s_o: yeah, I agree, but it's just telepathy-haze |
| 19:09.13 | t_s_o | hmm? |
| 19:09.34 | felipec | t_s_o: telepathy haze is the one that provides msn through libpidgin |
| 19:09.45 | t_s_o | yep |
| 19:09.48 | felipec | er, libpurple |
| 19:10.18 | |tbb| | hmmh |
| 19:10.21 | t_s_o | point is that it integrates with the buildt in contact manager rather then being a stand alone app... |
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| 19:11.35 | Tak | man - I wish they'd released the doom3 theme |
| 19:12.00 | lcuk_2 | black on black and automatic backlight disabled on the screen? |
| 19:13.08 | Tak | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2283/SkinProgramMail.jpg |
| 19:13.27 | t_s_o | hmm, no way of telling the N800 not to start rtcomm on boot? |
| 19:14.08 | lcuk_2 | tak, thats actually quite nice |
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| 19:15.12 | Tak | yes, it is |
| 19:15.19 | Tak | but they never did a file release |
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| 19:26.57 | elb | where is my N810 |
| 19:27.00 | elb | I ordered it hours ago |
| 19:27.01 | elb | ;-) |
| 19:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | Go conk yourself over the head with a hammer |
| 19:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | it'll be there in no time. |
| 19:30.45 | jeff1f | I found one on the street a few minutes ago |
| 19:30.49 | jeff1f | to: elb |
| 19:30.54 | jackster | is it nnormal for the n800's screen to distort slightly under pressure from the stylus? |
| 19:31.02 | elb | jeff1f: that's mine, the FedEx guy must have dropped it |
| 19:31.27 | jackster | like when you touch a flat screen tv or laptop screen |
| 19:31.50 | fysa | I believe so. |
| 19:31.52 | fysa | mine does ;) |
| 19:32.03 | fysa | has anyone tried X11 forwarding to an IT? |
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| 19:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | There are some posts about in on ITT, fysa. |
| 19:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | It works. |
| 19:33.39 | unique311 | what's new with The Maemo? |
| 19:34.55 | pupnik | slightly faster dosbox build here unique311... do you have chinook sdk |
| 19:34.56 | pupnik | ? |
| 19:35.10 | unique311 | yes |
| 19:35.28 | fysa | "Hildon would handle the X11 fowarding, but very poorly. XFCE (Openbox and even KDE, for that matter) handles it smoothly. Highly recommended for those of you with Linux desktops." |
| 19:35.45 | fysa | "I get full Firefox, Evolution, even OpenOffice on my n800 while sitting in the living room at the speed of my desktop." |
| 19:35.51 | Tak | unique311: latest gngeo any difference? |
| 19:36.02 | fysa | time to get KDE working :) |
| 19:36.05 | unique311 | the beta you let me try out? Tak |
| 19:36.23 | Tak | I sent you a new one a few days ago |
| 19:36.33 | unique311 | let me check my email |
| 19:37.36 | unique311 | Found it. |
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| 19:37.49 | unique311 | let me give it a try. |
| 19:37.54 | unique311 | i'll let you know |
| 19:38.01 | LinuxCode | hiiiiiii ;-D |
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| 19:39.35 | Tak | careful, that voids the warranty |
| 19:39.36 | LinuxCode | few little issues but still ... |
| 19:39.57 | LinuxCode | I need to figure out how to flash it to bring it up2date |
| 19:40.03 | fysa | if I get too much use out of this N800 I may actually have to replace it with the N810 .. :/ |
| 19:40.28 | LinuxCode | fysa, haha |
| 19:40.43 | LinuxCode | only quibble I have is the GPS |
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| 19:40.48 | LinuxCode | its rubbish |
| 19:40.55 | LinuxCode | takes a long time to get a position |
| 19:41.09 | LinuxCode | however, thats more a gps issue and environment |
| 19:41.26 | fysa | I would tend to blame Nokia still ;) |
| 19:41.27 | elb | how long is a "long time" ? |
| 19:42.07 | LinuxCode | elb, hmm like 5 mins to get a position |
| 19:42.15 | LinuxCode | or so... |
| 19:42.18 | LinuxCode | I havent timed it |
| 19:42.23 | fysa | not quick enough to win any scavenger hunts |
| 19:42.40 | LinuxCode | + then environment wise...lets say trains to exactly leave rays through in the ghz band |
| 19:42.40 | elb | sounds like it doesn't try to sync from its last known position |
| 19:42.52 | lardman | hmm, mine got a position from cold faster than that |
| 19:42.58 | Tak | hmm, what's the stock resolution on a gbc rom? |
| 19:42.59 | LinuxCode | -to do not |
| 19:43.05 | LinuxCode | sorry been up since 3am |
| 19:43.19 | LinuxCode | lardman, hmmm |
| 19:43.24 | LinuxCode | did you flash yours mate ? |
| 19:43.33 | LinuxCode | theres an update out |
| 19:43.38 | fysa | low enough that we should be able to run it full speed :) |
| 19:43.40 | elb | Tak: I *think* the GBC is 320x320, but I'm sure some fan site out there knows for sure :-) |
| 19:43.43 | LinuxCode | im not keen on losing all my setup though |
| 19:43.56 | fysa | 160x144? |
| 19:44.08 | lardman | LinuxCode: yep, latest flash image |
| 19:44.14 | LinuxCode | k |
| 19:44.21 | LinuxCode | might be a bugfix ..maybe |
| 19:44.24 | pupnik | cool we gots netcat for os2008 |
| 19:44.29 | pupnik | fastrn scp |
| 19:44.30 | fysa | yeah, 160x144. GBA is 240x160 |
| 19:44.33 | elb | Tak: holy crap, 160x144 |
| 19:44.39 | elb | man, that's horrid |
| 19:44.45 | elb | it seems much better than that sitting in front of it |
| 19:44.45 | LinuxCode | pupnik, got a list handy ? |
| 19:44.47 | lardman | LinuxCode: I've not used it since then mind you, so perhaps it's slower the second time round ;) |
| 19:44.50 | pupnik | that's why i don't like those games |
| 19:44.56 | LinuxCode | lardman, hehe |
| 19:45.16 | LinuxCode | one thing I noticed |
| 19:45.19 | pupnik | Filename: pool/maemo4.0/free/n/netcat/netcat_1.10-32osso1_armel.deb |
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| 19:45.29 | LinuxCode | is that hildon also takes some time to build the appz list in the menu |
| 19:45.49 | LinuxCode | pupnik, there has to be a full list somewhere |
| 19:45.51 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 19:45.55 | Tak | hmm...not enough to make it 4x |
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| 19:46.09 | fysa | SNES is 256x224 (most games) to 512x448 |
| 19:46.47 | GNUton | Hi |
| 19:46.56 | elb | 512x448 is higher resolution than PAL can actually display |
| 19:47.07 | elb | err, than NTSC can actually display, sorry |
| 19:47.21 | elb | PAL gets closer |
| 19:47.33 | fysa | I believe you would lose some in overscan/transmission/conversion.. |
| 19:47.44 | fysa | but I believe that res is rather rare |
| 19:47.58 | elb | overscan is only relevant for width, and that's more height than NTSC can render |
| 19:48.08 | GNUton | have someone compiled snes emulator for maemo? |
| 19:48.13 | fysa | doesn't mean the pixels aren't there :) |
| 19:48.20 | fysa | you just can't see them ;) |
| 19:48.22 | elb | but, it likely samples from al arger resolution than it sends out on its video signal |
| 19:48.25 | elb | that's not an uncommon trick |
| 19:49.45 | fysa | the horrors of video signals |
| 19:49.58 | elb | TVs are really crappy |
| 19:50.11 | elb | not only are they low resolution, but they don't actually have pixels |
| 19:50.16 | Tak | GNUton: pupnik built snes9x, but it was pretty slow |
| 19:50.37 | fysa | is there an svn with it? |
| 19:50.47 | fysa | or was that just raw snes9x compiled in sb? |
| 19:52.09 | thoughtfix | Okay ... I need developer and community advice |
| 19:52.27 | lardman | fire away |
| 19:52.35 | unique311 | the answer is yes |
| 19:52.42 | Tak | Double yes. |
| 19:52.43 | fysa | only if nobody catches you |
| 19:52.49 | fysa | alleys are the best |
| 19:52.59 | thoughtfix | Apparently, as a face of the community, I've been invited to speak at Openbossa in Brazil |
| 19:53.23 | fysa | have you set your rate? |
| 19:53.34 | unique311 | Tak, having issues with xmaeme, for some reason i have a version that doesn't allow me to choose neogeo bios folder. |
| 19:53.49 | unique311 | same issue i had before. |
| 19:53.57 | unique311 | but i forgot how i got pass it. |
| 19:54.04 | GNUton | Tak: k |
| 19:54.28 | thoughtfix | Well |
| 19:54.39 | thoughtfix | I have three potential topics that are mostly-written editorials |
| 19:54.47 | thoughtfix | that could easily become lectures to developers |
| 19:55.08 | thoughtfix | "Don't Fear the Penguin" - about overcoming non-geeks' fear of Linux devices |
| 19:55.30 | thoughtfix | "The Other Pocket" - making a case for secondary (non-phone) devices. |
| 19:55.48 | thoughtfix | "Noise to Signal" on strategies for learning from community feedback without wasting time |
| 19:56.34 | unique311 | How about "The NIT motherf'n rocks....Go get one." |
| 19:56.40 | dhd | "the other pocket" is a nice one... since one of the common complaints about the iPhone is that it isn't a very good phone |
| 19:56.50 | lardman | I'd not do #1, it's quite a popular topic |
| 19:56.58 | Tak | unique311: yeah, it's because os2008 doesn't have a GtkFileChooserButton |
| 19:57.02 | lardman | i.e. there seem to be lots of articles about it |
| 19:57.24 | unique311 | Tak, i got it to work last time. |
| 19:57.27 | fysa | I would do #1 twice, but targetted at the people in charge of making SDKs and buildkits because the developers don't care. ;) |
| 19:57.31 | fysa | they just want to compile it and get it working. |
| 19:57.53 | lardman | in which case you need to target the tutorial writers |
| 19:57.59 | unique311 | by uninstalling it, rebooting the device and then installing xmaeme again |
| 19:58.03 | unique311 | hope it works |
| 19:58.14 | fysa | the SDK should come with instructions on branding something properly -- down to the little nuances of icon selection |
| 19:58.26 | fysa | and (re)naming a package to suit the general public |
| 19:58.40 | Tak | unique311: I'm sending a prerelease of the next xmaeme |
| 19:58.46 | unique311 | cool |
| 19:58.49 | unique311 | thanks |
| 19:58.52 | Tak | np |
| 19:58.54 | lardman | fysa: that is debian packaging, I have troubles with that |
| 19:58.56 | elb | thoughtfix: I'd personally be interested in noise to signal |
| 19:59.08 | fysa | package manager needs a checkbox for 'advanced mode' |
| 19:59.08 | Tak | you'll be the first one to try it on os2008 since I've ported to vala ;-) |
| 19:59.08 | elb | though I'm not going to be at any Brazilian conferences any time soon ;-) |
| 19:59.14 | fysa | turn it off, you see friendly names (already in most debs!) |
| 19:59.16 | lardman | fysa: or specifically for Maemo? |
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| 19:59.19 | fysa | turn it on, you see real names |
| 19:59.21 | unique311 | thoughtfix, go with #4 |
| 19:59.43 | fysa | many environments are affected |
| 19:59.56 | fysa | as a developer, my #1 goal is to write myself out of a job. |
| 20:00.00 | thoughtfix | .... 4? |
| 20:00.18 | unique311 | How about "The NIT motherf'n rocks....Go get one." 4 |
| 20:01.01 | fysa | make it once, make it right, make it usable by everyone, release it and move on. |
| 20:01.19 | fysa | the hildon taskbar full of generic 'tool' icons is no fun |
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| 20:02.13 | thoughtfix | rofl |
| 20:02.29 | thoughtfix | I think noise-to-signal is the preferred |
| 20:02.31 | pupnik | netcatting a tgz over wep to N810 with kingston 4gb miniSDHC gives me about 800kB/s |
| 20:02.38 | unique311 | Tak, thanks. |
| 20:02.42 | unique311 | option is there now. |
| 20:03.22 | fysa | how much CPU is wasted on WPA-PSK encryption? |
| 20:03.28 | fysa | maybe that's why nfs is so cpu hungry. |
| 20:03.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:03.54 | glass | hehe |
| 20:04.03 | lardman | does the omap have wpa-psk helper hw? |
| 20:04.23 | fysa | pupnik is closest to testing ;) |
| 20:04.32 | fysa | he already has the netcat line in his history |
| 20:04.49 | pupnik | thoughtfix: good subjects btw. no preferences here |
| 20:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | I like noise-to-signal, but all of them sound really interesting. |
| 20:05.38 | elb | thoughtfix: I think "noise to signal" has the highest usefulness content to other projects, if that's part of the goal :-) |
| 20:05.58 | elb | I know Pidgin experiences a very low S:N ratio in its user feedback |
| 20:06.05 | pupnik | if the developers there are from non-tablet camps, the 2nd topic could be worthwhile also |
| 20:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, #2 or #3 depending on the audience. |
| 20:06.59 | thoughtfix | Thanks |
| 20:07.01 | thoughtfix | :D |
| 20:07.01 | pupnik | cause i think it's a subject missed by some people who like portable *nix... the advantages of a seperate tablet computery thing instead of packing all functions onto a phone |
| 20:07.26 | thoughtfix | I've been sort of a filter for a number of developers |
| 20:07.32 | thoughtfix | They send me stuff they're working on |
| 20:07.39 | thoughtfix | I demo it and get feedback |
| 20:07.43 | elb | yeah, I had a run-in with some dude a while back who had this GIANT wonder-phone thing, that was a pocket computer, telephone, camera, etc. |
| 20:07.48 | elb | this was in like 2004, so it was truly giant |
| 20:07.49 | thoughtfix | Then distill the crap out of the feedback and send it back |
| 20:08.20 | elb | and I said something about not being impressed with the concept, and he started to make fun of me, talking about "bat belts" and crap ... I just shook my head and walked away |
| 20:08.37 | lcuk_2 | NEVER walk away from batman |
| 20:08.46 | unique311 | thoughtfix, how about, "Motherfuck'n Noise-to-signal" on Motherfuck'n strategies for Motherfuck'n learning from community Motherfuck'n feedback without Motherfuck'n wasting Motherfucki'n time. |
| 20:08.48 | fysa | haha |
| 20:08.53 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, i watched it too |
| 20:08.55 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
| 20:08.59 | LinuxCode | hey mate |
| 20:09.00 | elb | of course, he was an Australian in the US, and the first thing I was thinking was, "most of the things I carry on my belt you are forbidden to own" |
| 20:09.03 | lcuk_2 | evening |
| 20:09.06 | elb | but I didn't want to go down that route ;-) |
| 20:09.18 | LinuxCode | how was ya day ? |
| 20:09.26 | thoughtfix | unique311: I don't think they'll let me take snakes on a plane |
| 20:09.35 | lcuk_2 | first day after the weekend back in work so it was meh |
| 20:09.38 | unique311 | lol |
| 20:09.43 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 20:09.52 | LinuxCode | i had a deadline |
| 20:09.57 | LinuxCode | sucked |
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| 20:10.14 | LinuxCode | 18 pages or so of crap |
| 20:10.19 | unique311 | sorry about that, i just saw the movie. |
| 20:10.25 | lcuk_2 | luckily i am ahead with mine so a sicky day yesterday isnt too much |
| 20:10.34 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, tehe |
| 20:10.57 | Tak | unique311: so...do the buttons show up? |
| 20:11.08 | unique311 | well stuff happened Tak. |
| 20:11.11 | unique311 | lots of bad stuff |
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| 20:11.24 | unique311 | i just restarted the device. |
| 20:11.35 | Tak | uhh... |
| 20:11.38 | unique311 | lol |
| 20:11.39 | LinuxCode | im just eating pizza then im having a good long sleep |
| 20:12.27 | lcuk_2 | +garlic bread+curry |
| 20:12.29 | lcuk_2 | no ta, just eaten |
| 20:12.33 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
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| 20:14.18 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 20:14.19 | unique311 | Tak, still no buttons. but emulator takes longer to start. |
| 20:14.53 | Tak | hooray! |
| 20:15.10 | unique311 | the games im playing is still fast. sound is still really loud. |
| 20:15.19 | Tak | well, with US device program now working, it should only be another month or so :-P |
| 20:16.01 | unique311 | going to run gngeo from the command line |
| 20:16.13 | pupnik | pls lemme know if you find out how to get n810 Fn+ numbers working in sdl |
| 20:16.26 | pupnik | without handling the keymapping at the app level |
| 20:17.58 | Tak | shouldn't be any difference @ command line |
| 20:18.13 | unique311 | just figured that out. |
| 20:18.31 | unique311 | but metal slug is really nice on it. |
| 20:18.45 | unique311 | Just have to let the screen go black |
| 20:19.00 | unique311 | and when i turn it back on, the buttons show up. |
| 20:19.02 | unique311 | no biggie. |
| 20:19.47 | unique311 | finally have a descent amount of working roms for MAME |
| 20:20.06 | unique311 | now to Locate some for GBA. |
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| 20:22.16 | *** topic/#maemo is development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
| 20:22.34 | unique311 | Tak, that comment about the emu starting slower was premature. |
| 20:23.12 | unique311 | it was actually the game. I just tried another game and it started up really quickly |
| 20:23.46 | Tak | yeah, it can be significantly different for each one |
| 20:24.00 | Tak | like samsho is fairly quick compared to mslug |
| 20:24.42 | pupnik | snes9x on N8x0 runs like a constipated grandmother with a blown knee |
| 20:26.21 | pupnik | i wonder if anyone's maemo google search will return that analogy |
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| 20:29.41 | fysa | unique311: you on 810 or 800? |
| 20:29.53 | unique311 | 800 |
| 20:30.03 | unique311 | outdated, lol |
| 20:30.15 | unique311 | i feel like a 770 user now |
| 20:30.18 | fysa | same ;) |
| 20:30.25 | fysa | motherfuck'n n800 |
| 20:30.33 | LinuxCode | hardly any difference |
| 20:30.35 | LinuxCode | tbh |
| 20:30.35 | unique311 | good one |
| 20:30.36 | unique311 | lol |
| 20:31.11 | fysa | you in the market for an N800 when I get an N810, Tak? ;) |
| 20:31.30 | unique311 | Tak, some games that didn't work before work now. |
| 20:31.32 | unique311 | a plus |
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| 20:33.02 | fysa | but how good is it for ssh given the lack of proper keys? |
| 20:33.03 | Tak | fysa: nah, I gave my n800 to my fiancee |
| 20:33.18 | pupnik | you can adapt the keyboard to include tab and | etc |
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| 20:33.59 | fysa | do they include a bottle of Testors model paint? :) |
| 20:34.02 | lcuk_2 | fysa, since i only ssh into the device its not that much of a biggy. i do miss the tab key though, but thats down to dev language choice |
| 20:34.09 | Tak | anybody using pyboy/gnuboy ? |
| 20:34.34 | fysa | how is your wpm compared to the N800 vkb? |
| 20:34.38 | fysa | (thumb) |
| 20:34.46 | pupnik | most of the time i use a tablet while sitting, so the BT keyboard is preferable to builtin thumbboard then |
| 20:35.07 | pupnik | but it's fun to shell/vi while walking about too. just somewhat dangerous |
| 20:35.11 | |tbb| | anyone knows something about the njoy rgb format nokia uses for led flashing on n810? |
| 20:35.14 | lcuk_2 | pup, have you tried typing whilst lay on your back with the builtin kb? |
| 20:35.36 | pupnik | no but that would be another good use case |
| 20:35.43 | unique311 | Tak, gameboy is really not interesting. |
| 20:35.48 | lcuk_2 | its not - i almost knocked myself out the other night |
| 20:35.57 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 20:36.01 | unique311 | unless you a pokemon fan |
| 20:36.10 | Tak | I'm just adding a page to xmaeme for chaoticbob's gnuboy port |
| 20:36.11 | lcuk_2 | hi tama |
| 20:36.42 | unique311 | desmume is another story. |
| 20:36.53 | Tama^2 | hi lcuk_2 |
| 20:36.56 | unique311 | but it is slow as hell, and the screen is way too small |
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| 20:37.34 | pH5 | |tbb|: I think it is explained in a comment in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 20:37.49 | Veggen | fysa: You can get used to a keyboard. Even the n810 keyboard. |
| 20:38.21 | Veggen | I'm considering trying to use my n810 as my exclusive home machine for a week, to force myself to adjust and learn to use the keyboard :) |
| 20:38.33 | fysa | yeah, I can imagine so. I would love to wait for a device with better CPU (just got the N800 a few months before the N810 was released), but I'm finding it hard. |
| 20:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, I'm used to the N800's keyboard. |
| 20:38.53 | fysa | I've already replaced a laptop with N800 + bluetooth keyboard. |
| 20:39.04 | pupnik | ./configure : 'maybe you need to recompile python with --shared-libs' |
| 20:39.06 | pupnik | :( |
| 20:39.13 | fysa | honestly, KDE and X11 forwarding is probably the killer app for me. |
| 20:39.23 | fysa | and KDE/X11 make much more sense with the slide-out keyboard. |
| 20:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | fysa, wait for the N900. :P |
| 20:39.42 | Veggen | I used my n800 exclusively for a week travel including a conference. It's quite usable if you just try it for a while. |
| 20:39.50 | fysa | do you know something I don't? :) |
| 20:40.04 | fysa | yes, it's excellent for taking notes. |
| 20:40.14 | fysa | using the Apple bluetooth keyboard.. |
| 20:40.16 | Veggen | GA: I can never manage to wait. That's why I have all three of them (770, n800 and n810) ;) |
| 20:40.25 | Veggen | And will end up with the n900 when it comes, surely.. |
| 20:40.28 | Tama^2 | I prefer n800 with BT keyboard |
| 20:40.40 | fysa | there was no outlet near me at the desk, so at one point I moved the N800 into the corner of the room at an outlet, set the font size to 28pt and kept taking notes as normal.. |
| 20:40.53 | Tama^2 | n900 is GeneralAntilles' pet-topic |
| 20:40.58 | Tama^2 | :P |
| 20:41.12 | fysa | that was at hour five or six.. |
| 20:41.12 | lcuk_2 | now ppl are starting to get 810s, how do you hold it without feeling like its gonna slide out of your hand |
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| 20:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | N810 is a waste of money if you have an N800. |
| 20:47.33 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, one word |
| 20:47.42 | LinuxCode | desk stand |
| 20:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | That's two. |
| 20:47.55 | LinuxCode | ok that was two words |
| 20:47.57 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 20:48.02 | lcuk_2 | but you cant type with a stand - when your holding it i mean :P |
| 20:48.11 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, yes you can |
| 20:48.22 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, hey mate ;-D |
| 20:48.26 | LinuxCode | how ya doing GeneralAntilles ? |
| 20:48.28 | ||cw | you cna't use a desk stand when you are standing in line for a bus |
| 20:48.30 | lcuk_2 | it was uncomfortable with stand out - fingers just the wrong size |
| 20:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | I hurt, LinuxCode. |
| 20:48.43 | Veggen | GA: Well. Sort of, but I had the money to waste :P |
| 20:48.44 | LinuxCode | why ? ;-| |
| 20:48.50 | lcuk_2 | i found a nice big rubber pad and double sided stickied it to the back |
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| 20:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | You hit me. :( |
| 20:49.00 | LinuxCode | ohh |
| 20:49.02 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 20:49.07 | Veggen | GA: But I seriously think I like the keyboard. And it's way better if you don't have a table when you type. |
| 20:49.18 | LinuxCode | ok now ? |
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| 20:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | Now I'm just creeped out. :P |
| 20:49.38 | Veggen | GA: trying to use the n800 and a bt keyboard in your lap is not easy :) |
| 20:49.39 | lcuk_2 | why would you rub his cpu better? |
| 20:49.49 | GeneralAntilles | Veggen, I just use the fullscreen keyboard. ;) |
| 20:50.02 | Veggen | mm, yah. but if you |
| 20:50.04 | pupnik | ahh khertan found the fix |
| 20:50.29 | Veggen | want to see the screen as you type. I never got used to the fullscreen keyboard :) |
| 20:50.38 | lcuk_2 | khertan just codes on the road anyway, he hard wired his 800 to his brain |
| 20:51.46 | lcuk_2 | i should try coding whilst i commute to work, but i'd keep dropping the device when i change gear |
| 20:53.00 | Veggen | lcuk: I once rode with a guy who was *knitting* while driving. |
| 20:53.12 | Veggen | lcuk: (now, don't ask,but there was a reason ;) |
| 20:53.32 | melmoth | is it me or is there no tab key on the n810 keyboard ? |
| 20:53.38 | lcuk_2 | was his technique good? |
| 20:53.40 | melmoth | a shell without auto completion is...torture. |
| 20:53.53 | lcuk_2 | melmoth, its just you, everyone else has a tab key right next to the Q |
| 20:53.55 | lcuk_2 | (only joking) |
| 20:53.56 | elb | does it have an ESC key? |
| 20:53.57 | jott | lcuk_2: write an app to control the gear with the it .. there is already some framework for that ;) |
| 20:54.06 | lcuk_2 | you are right there isnt one |
| 20:54.17 | elb | ESC ESC probably also completes |
| 20:54.19 | lcuk_2 | yes elb, its on the side of the screen i think |
| 20:54.29 | lcuk_2 | the lower one if i remember rightly |
| 20:54.31 | elb | that's what ksh used, way back in the day |
| 20:54.37 | Veggen | lcuk: That's the point. It was a competition. ANd one of the tasks during the competition was to knit as much as you could for the duration. And we were only guys, and he was the best knitter *even* while driving, and he was the only one who could drive. |
| 20:55.11 | lcuk_2 | kinda like an alternative take on extreme ironing |
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| 20:55.26 | thoughtfix | I hate it when that happens |
| 20:55.27 | thoughtfix | okay |
| 20:55.28 | czr | ironing <3 |
| 20:55.33 | czr | and no, I won't iron your shirts. |
| 20:55.37 | thoughtfix | the most popular lecture topic is "Noise to Signal" |
| 20:56.10 | jott | melmoth: you can always define new keys combinations or rebind existing ones... |
| 20:56.22 | lcuk_2 | czr, ive got some pants which need flattening |
| 20:56.31 | Veggen | czr: I buy them "iron-free". And when people complain that they're not ironed, I just say "there's something wrong with the shirt, it was bought ironing-free". |
| 20:56.40 | czr | jott, or try using HP-UX (no line editing even) and be happy without working completion |
| 20:56.45 | Veggen | czr: It goes right in with my nerdy image ;P |
| 20:56.53 | czr | Veggen, I feel you |
| 20:57.00 | lcuk_2 | my iron has been broken for a while, i suppose i should buy her some flowers or let her make me a new 810 case |
| 20:57.04 | czr | although ironing, like washing dishes, is a therapeautic thing for me really. |
| 20:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ironing sucks. Buy yourself a steamer and be happy. |
| 20:57.17 | czr | assuming I don't have to iron a shirt in the morning before a bloody meeting |
| 20:57.35 | czr | lcuk_2, how's the furry case coming along? |
| 20:57.36 | lcuk_2 | the most ive ever relaxed whilst working was when i did potato peeling and chipping :) |
| 20:57.46 | lcuk_2 | thankfully its not lol |
| 20:57.58 | czr | lcuk_2, hmm. maybe you should have a backup plan then |
| 20:58.02 | lcuk_2 | we have other matters at home before we deal with that |
| 20:58.03 | jott | czr: you can also remove the d-pad binding if you like it more this way ;) |
| 20:58.10 | Veggen | I once had an argument with one of the fancy-dressed project-leader-girls at work. About being "clothing-counscious"... |
| 20:58.38 | czr | jott, hmm. you could still use ctrl+a and such, so you'd have to remove ctrl as well |
| 20:58.38 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 20:58.47 | Veggen | I said that I was just as good at that as her. "I take *well* care of which t-shirt I use in the meetings. *always*" |
| 20:59.02 | czr | lcuk_2, and a angry and malnourished looking posse |
| 20:59.14 | thoughtfix | Hahaha |
| 20:59.15 | jott | czr: hehe.. yeah or patch readline and remove those bloat features ;) |
| 20:59.15 | Tama^2 | Veggen: s your work env very formal? |
| 20:59.18 | thoughtfix | Leather coat? |
| 20:59.22 | Veggen | Tama: Nah. |
| 20:59.29 | czr | lcuk_2, do they have a lot of marble in the place you're going? otherwise it's going to be boring |
| 20:59.40 | lcuk_2 | its on an army base |
| 20:59.44 | Veggen | Not really. But it happens that I end up in meetings which are more formal than othetrs. |
| 20:59.46 | czr | that works :-) |
| 20:59.52 | lcuk_2 | actually, best not take a gun |
| 21:00.05 | lcuk_2 | crap |
| 21:00.08 | czr | lcuk_2, yeah, take a helicopter. |
| 21:00.15 | lcuk_2 | plan b: austin powers |
| 21:00.34 | czr | a great bush of breast hair? |
| 21:00.34 | Veggen | Tama: I actually work with system integration for banking environments, really. Much projects etc. |
| 21:01.01 | Veggen | Tama: Sometimes, I end up in meeting with managers pretty high in the hierarchy of large banks. |
| 21:01.25 | lcuk_2 | veggen, i hope you have a formal black tshirt |
| 21:01.37 | Veggen | Tama: I find the strategy of always wearing a nerdy t-shirt is highly successfull. |
| 21:01.39 | czr | Veggen, you wear your "I read your email." T-shirt to those? |
| 21:02.01 | czr | I used to have a bumper sticker of that on my laptop. it got pretty good reception at formal project meetings |
| 21:02.14 | Veggen | czr: I have a "happy hacking" GNU t-shirt. That's one of my favourites. |
| 21:02.21 | czr | heh |
| 21:03.01 | Veggen | czr: strategy works. Everyone thinks I know a lot, because there can't be another reason why they drag me to the meeting. |
| 21:03.09 | Tama^2 | Veggen: why highly succesful? (me thinks of a dilbert comic that fits...) |
| 21:03.28 | czr | Veggen, maybe they drag you just into the meetings in order to be amused and entertained? |
| 21:03.52 | czr | I used to feel like that when I was working in the financial sector |
| 21:04.00 | czr | our project manager was a complete boot. |
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| 21:04.43 | Veggen | czr: I once had a project manager without technical understanding *whatsoever*. And he was in a different city than those of us doing the technical stuff. |
| 21:05.01 | czr | Veggen, my boot lived in the same city |
| 21:05.07 | czr | otherwise exactly same qualifications. |
| 21:05.20 | lcuk_2 | isnt that the definition of project manager |
| 21:05.26 | Veggen | czr: He'd call me, and ask me to explain what I was doing. And then he'd ask me to explain what I'd just told him. And even that was beyond him. |
| 21:05.33 | lcuk_2 | they arent paid to know the inner workings. |
| 21:05.41 | czr | I've worked with semi-good ones as well.. although hmm.. |
| 21:05.50 | Veggen | czr: Until I finally told him "I don't have time for this anymore. I have to get some work done." |
| 21:06.06 | czr | lcuk_2, it would be nice if they would have at least some idea about the project and how things can be done (and how they cannot be done) |
| 21:06.10 | lcuk_2 | if a manager gets caught up in the inner workings then they arent managing you properly |
| 21:06.16 | Veggen | It'd usually take around 30 seconds, and he'd call up the guy next to me, asking *the exact same questions*. |
| 21:06.29 | czr | Veggen, he wanted to feel that he participated! |
| 21:06.31 | Veggen | lcuk: agreed :) |
| 21:06.48 | czr | lcuk_2, I don't think we're talking about inner workings here exactly. |
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| 21:07.36 | Tak | a project manager should be able to understand the properties of a technical project in order to properly manage it |
| 21:07.44 | Veggen | czr: I also once had a boss who got nervous when things were critical, and always asking a and bugging us. He was away for a customer meeting in another city, and I'd promised I'd be done with quite a bit of work after that day... |
| 21:08.01 | Tak | somebody who thinks software is magic that can do anything without limits is not going to be a good project manager |
| 21:08.02 | lcuk_2 | i do agree czr - there is a difference between knowing something can be done (from experience, hands on or prior projects) and knowing nothing |
| 21:08.29 | Veggen | czr: But then he called me every half hour, asking for status: It was getting on my nerves by an hour after lunch, so when he asked "Now, you'll be ready, right?" |
| 21:08.58 | Veggen | czr: so I answered him "No. I won't. Not unless you hang up *now*, and don't call me again. *ever*" |
| 21:09.05 | czr | heh |
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| 21:09.31 | Veggen | czr: He didn't call again. He was hopping mad when he returned. But I was done, so he couldn't stay mad ;) |
| 21:09.33 | czr | you've got to educate people sometimes.. |
| 21:09.50 | LinuxCode | czr, iron my shit |
| 21:09.53 | LinuxCode | thanks |
| 21:10.02 | lcuk_2 | typo or a big mess? |
| 21:10.24 | czr | most of people I've worked for just politely get out of my way. if they're good, they'll know which questions they should ask me for feedback and that if I can't provide a "no/yes" answer, it's a good thing.. |
| 21:10.39 | czr | LinuxCode, no :-) |
| 21:10.55 | LinuxCode | but....but...but... |
| 21:11.02 | czr | I'm not ironing your shit! |
| 21:11.07 | czr | iron your shit yourself damn it! |
| 21:11.13 | LinuxCode | ehh shirt |
| 21:11.18 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 21:11.22 | czr | no. the moment is gone now! |
| 21:11.26 | Veggen | czr: yah, where I'm now, people respect what I say. Mostly because I never speak without knowing what to say ;) |
| 21:11.26 | LinuxCode | but shit implies more than one item |
| 21:11.29 | czr | I'm not ironing anything for you, pervert! |
| 21:11.33 | robtaylor | sudo iron my shirt |
| 21:11.38 | LinuxCode | czr, haha |
| 21:11.39 | Tak | robtaylor++ |
| 21:11.40 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 21:11.42 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 21:11.53 | czr | sudo: filename or command not found. you fail. |
| 21:12.01 | LinuxCode | I bet you do extremem ironing czr |
| 21:12.08 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:12.19 | czr | hmm. depends on what it means I guess |
| 21:12.34 | robtaylor | czr: waoh, your wetware install must be pretty borken ;) |
| 21:12.53 | lcuk_2 | czr, ironing whilst rock climbing or skydiving |
| 21:12.59 | czr | ahh. no :-) |
| 21:13.35 | czr | robtaylor, I'm using the same design process as the maemo team, can you blame me? |
| 21:13.35 | robtaylor | What the world needs is *real* extreme programming |
| 21:13.42 | robtaylor | czr: heh |
| 21:13.46 | mgedmin | there's extreme ironing |
| 21:14.07 | mgedmin | which is what lcuk already mentioned... |
| 21:14.08 | lcuk_2 | robtaylor, entirely plausible with the 810 |
| 21:14.15 | robtaylor | lcuk_2: heh, damn right :) |
| 21:14.26 | mgedmin | and linuxcode |
| 21:14.34 | czr | what about base jumping and ironing? |
| 21:14.42 | czr | does that count? |
| 21:14.48 | mgedmin | the strategy of reading irc logs very fast by skipping 75% is not working that well... |
| 21:14.52 | Tama^2 | mgedmin: there's extreme ironing |
| 21:15.00 | lcuk_2 | it depends if you are ironing your parachute |
| 21:15.00 | robtaylor | The Nokia Extreme Programming Championship - "Nokia, Breaking People" |
| 21:15.09 | Tama^2 | any ironing not done by mum is by definition extreme |
| 21:15.10 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 21:15.20 | czr | mgedmin, you should make a tool that combines new lines by skipping 3/4 of words but by keeping them otherwise intact |
| 21:15.25 | lcuk_2 | i can iron anything as long as it is towel shaped |
| 21:15.27 | mgedmin | step 1: run a busy loop on your N800 to get it really hot |
| 21:15.29 | czr | hah Tama^2 |
| 21:15.31 | mgedmin | step 2: apply it to a shirt |
| 21:15.48 | mgedmin | czr: why words? characters |
| 21:15.50 | czr | one of my exes got really mad at me once when I noted her that she completely didn't iron my shirt correctly. |
| 21:15.56 | czr | well. she didn't iron my stuff afterwards.. |
| 21:16.04 | robtaylor | mgedmin: step 3: buy a new N800? |
| 21:16.06 | Veggen | heh. I'm replacing a few servers that 1.5 million customer goes through, tonight. Sort of extreme sysadmining. I didn't know when I got to work today that I had to do it tonight, but looking at the numbers, I said "I can't guarantee *anything* about tomorrow. I advice doing it today." |
| 21:16.13 | czr | mgedmin, hmm. only take the first and last letter of each word? |
| 21:16.26 | mgedmin | robtaylor: (a N810 actually... "but I have to upgrade, the old one doesn't work any more" |
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| 21:16.35 | robtaylor | mgedmin: heh :) |
| 21:16.39 | czr | Veggen, university disintegrating upon you? |
| 21:16.43 | czr | universe even.. |
| 21:17.16 | LinuxCode | czr, Uni does disintegrate you |
| 21:17.27 | czr | LinuxCode, probably. not my piece of cake |
| 21:17.28 | LinuxCode | Uni = eats your brain |
| 21:17.36 | Tak | Tak thinks czr meant: LinuxCode, probably. of cake |
| 21:17.36 | Tak | czr: s/(\w)* \w* \w* \w*/\1/g |
| 21:17.42 | Veggen | czr: Nah. Just that after new-year, suddenly we'd had a surge in cpu-usage. Maybe it's related to everyone buying and selling stocks, due to the unstable stock markets... |
| 21:17.51 | LinuxCode | czr, rotten apple servers ? |
| 21:17.53 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:17.58 | lcuk_2 | THE CAKE IS A LIE |
| 21:18.02 | czr | tak, you're evil.. |
| 21:18.18 | czr | Veggen, uhhuh :-) |
| 21:18.25 | czr | Veggen, so you'll need rotten apple servers |
| 21:18.31 | lcuk_2 | veggen, do it slowly and double check every line |
| 21:18.32 | czr | spread the joy around. |
| 21:18.32 | Tak | Tak thinks czr meant: spreadtejoy around. |
| 21:18.32 | Tak | czr: s/ (\w)\w*(\w) /\1\2/g |
| 21:18.39 | lcuk_2 | ;) |
| 21:20.04 | lcuk_2 | bbl |
| 21:20.41 | czr | damn I hate my work pipe. |
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| 21:21.10 | czr | I'm loading mirrors of ubuntus and such. both here and there. and there it was completed ages ago (some 40G worth). and here.. it will never be completed.. |
| 21:21.59 | czr | "16954402512 bytes will be downloaded into archive." "Downloading 15988 archive files using 20 threads..." |
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| 21:22.06 | czr | 20 threads? why not one thread per file.. |
| 21:22.21 | Tak | one thread per byte; then it will be done instantly |
| 21:22.27 | czr | true |
| 21:22.32 | czr | you patented that already? |
| 21:22.39 | czr | or I'm free to use that idea? |
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| 21:22.56 | czr | I guess one could use chunked http/1.1 for "byte serving". |
| 21:23.14 | czr | haha. now you will never find it! |
| 21:24.43 | czr | patents are just sad. |
| 21:24.50 | Tak | indeed |
| 21:25.07 | czr | flap harder! |
| 21:25.18 | Veggen | there are situations where patents are good, but software is not one of them. |
| 21:25.31 | czr | yeah. basmati rice is one of those situations. |
| 21:25.36 | Veggen | Or alternatively, a software patent could last for 5 years. That'd be a long enough duration. |
| 21:25.37 | elb | or at least, the current patent terms are ridiculous |
| 21:25.38 | Tak | I disagree that there are any situations anymore where patents are good |
| 21:25.52 | Tama^2 | I tend to agree with tak |
| 21:25.52 | elb | then you don't understand patents |
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| 21:26.01 | Tak | or perhaps you don't understand reality |
| 21:26.07 | elb | in manufacturing processes, they are still very powerful |
| 21:26.07 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 21:26.08 | elb | oh, I do |
| 21:26.09 | czr | it's not possible to develop a system which wouldn't be molested by patent lawyers |
| 21:26.14 | Tak | powerful != good |
| 21:26.14 | elb | and I'm informed on more than just software |
| 21:26.18 | czr | so it's just better to get rid of the whole crap completely. |
| 21:26.20 | elb | powerful for the *public* |
| 21:26.23 | elb | not for the patent owners |
| 21:26.24 | Veggen | Tak: Maybe it could be solved other ways. Or alternatively, patent abuse should actually be made illegal. |
| 21:26.30 | elb | trade secrets are worse than patents |
| 21:26.32 | elb | in many ways |
| 21:26.34 | lcuk_2 | its not possible to develop ANYTHING which can't be molested my lawyers |
| 21:26.47 | czr | Veggen, more lawyers? whee. |
| 21:26.55 | czr | lcuk_2, pink fur. |
| 21:26.58 | elb | patent terms are out of hand; 17 years made a lot of sense during the industrial revolution, but today it's multiple product cycles in many industries |
| 21:27.00 | czr | no lawyers added. |
| 21:27.00 | Tak | Veggen: it's possible that the problem could be solved other ways than complete patent abolition |
| 21:27.01 | Veggen | czr: Ok, bad idea. |
| 21:27.06 | lcuk_2 | "Yahoo Patents 'Smart' Drag and Drop" <<<<< WTF?????? |
| 21:27.21 | elb | but open and complete documentation of revolutionary processes is a *great* think |
| 21:27.22 | elb | thing |
| 21:27.33 | czr | Tak, make it illegal to study to become a patent/"IP" lawyer? |
| 21:27.34 | Tama^2 | a patent that involves anything but manufacturing process is silly |
| 21:27.37 | Veggen | Tak: but for example in the medical business, the costs of testing a new drug is actually sky-high. |
| 21:27.50 | Tak | czr: nah, just make it legal to assassinate "IP" lawyers ;-) |
| 21:27.58 | elb | Tama^2: patents covering mechanical apparatus are also reasonable, in many circumstances |
| 21:27.59 | czr | lcuk_2, it's for dogs! they drag their owners and drop "packages" here and there. and they're pretty smart too. |
| 21:28.16 | czr | Tak, heh. reminds me of an old joke. "what do you call three lawyers at the bottom of the sea?" |
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| 21:28.24 | lcuk_2 | a good start :D |
| 21:28.25 | Tak | I don't buy into the pharmacos' "Testing drugs is SO expensive!" rigamarole |
| 21:28.43 | elb | Tak: the thing is, though, it really is, and that's documented fact |
| 21:28.45 | czr | Tak, there's a limit on how many uppers and downers the managers can take, be reasonable.. |
| 21:28.46 | lcuk_2 | tak ,it does cost lots |
| 21:28.47 | Veggen | Tak: At the same time as it's usually ridiculously easy to copy the work of others, because one really need to know what's in a drug. |
| 21:28.52 | LinuxCode | "what do you call three lawyers at the bottom of the sea?" |
| 21:28.54 | elb | of course, a lot of that cost is ridiculous government intervention |
| 21:29.00 | LinuxCode | mafia funeral ? |
| 21:29.02 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:29.07 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:29.08 | Tama^2 | elb: I have to agree with you, except the length of time covered by patents is too long |
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| 21:29.15 | lcuk_2 | because believe it or not, the government doesnt want people killing other people |
| 21:29.21 | elb | also, keep in mind that for every compound which succeeds, *thousands* fail |
| 21:29.24 | lcuk_2 | so they regulate it and make sure they cant |
| 21:29.25 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, thats a lie |
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| 21:29.27 | elb | the low-hanging fruit has been knocked down, as it were |
| 21:29.28 | czr | LinuxCode, neh. a good start still. who cares who did them into the sea :-) |
| 21:29.32 | lcuk_2 | ok, maybe not the UK gov |
| 21:29.33 | elb | Tama^2: yeah, I've said that at least twice now ;-) |
| 21:29.40 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, lol |
| 21:29.41 | LinuxCode | ;-] |
| 21:29.47 | elb | lcuk_2: actually, that's not exactly how it plays out |
| 21:30.06 | elb | lcuk_2: various lobbies have convinced most first-world governments to do *entirely* unreasonable things with pharmaceuticals |
| 21:30.09 | Tama^2 | elb: I am not *always* reading, I need to get some work done :P |
| 21:30.12 | LinuxCode | ready for afghanistan |
| 21:30.14 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:30.25 | Veggen | but software? I don't think it should be patentable, or alternatively patent protection should be *way* shorter. |
| 21:30.27 | Tak | elb: IMO, first-to-market can completely cover development cost nowadays |
| 21:30.35 | LinuxCode | elb, pharma cos are always unreasonable |
| 21:30.38 | Veggen | and submarine patents should be made illegal. |
| 21:30.44 | LinuxCode | they dont want cures for cancer and aids |
| 21:30.52 | LinuxCode | cures dont make money |
| 21:30.52 | elb | Tak: except that you *have* to publish the compounds you're marketing -- which means second-to-market takes a matter of weeks |
| 21:30.58 | LinuxCode | treatments do |
| 21:31.03 | lcuk_2 | why not, i might make a really novel way of building submarines |
| 21:31.07 | Tak | a matter of weeks is plenty |
| 21:31.14 | elb | LinuxCode: of course they are, they're government-protected monopolies |
| 21:31.31 | LinuxCode | elb, dont say that |
| 21:31.31 | elb | Tak: I think you underestimate the cost of drug development |
| 21:31.36 | Veggen | i.e once you *should* have known that your patent was becomeing widely used (as in the gif patent, for example), you should lose all protection. |
| 21:31.38 | czr | lcuk_2, a smart drag and drop submarine? |
| 21:31.41 | Tak | because if you come out with a revolutionary new drug, you're going to sell as much as you can produce in those two weeks |
| 21:31.43 | LinuxCode | the EU likes to fine people |
| 21:31.46 | lcuk_2 | czr, on the internet |
| 21:31.54 | elb | Tak: only if it's for a common disease |
| 21:31.56 | LinuxCode | dont mess with the competition commission |
| 21:31.57 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:31.58 | czr | an internet submarine! |
| 21:32.02 | Veggen | And what about the guys who bought the patents from the Xerox Parc guys, recently? |
| 21:32.06 | elb | Tak: you're advocating a system under which rare conditions receive no research or treatment |
| 21:32.13 | Tak | if it's not for a common disease, nobody's going to spend the money to research it anyway |
| 21:32.23 | elb | right now, that's not the case |
| 21:32.24 | Tak | elb: That's the system we have now. |
| 21:32.27 | lcuk_2 | they are if it effects them |
| 21:32.27 | Veggen | ...suing Linux companies for X.org-stuff. |
| 21:32.29 | LinuxCode | Tak, universities do |
| 21:32.36 | elb | many drug companies do, as well |
| 21:32.37 | LinuxCode | and always did |
| 21:32.42 | elb | because they have 17 years to recoup costs |
| 21:32.44 | czr | Veggen, didn't hear about that. where's that? |
| 21:32.46 | Veggen | (suing or threatening, don't remember) |
| 21:32.46 | LinuxCode | thats what unis are/were for |
| 21:33.05 | elb | and universities really can't compete on the drug-testing fields any more, except in some very special circumstances |
| 21:33.05 | Tak | s/nobody/no company/ |
| 21:33.09 | lcuk_2 | unis are for frat parties and naked twister |
| 21:33.15 | Veggen | czr: it's true. A purely patent company is making threats to that end. |
| 21:33.24 | czr | Veggen, sad days. once again. |
| 21:33.25 | elb | medical schools complain about this endlessly |
| 21:33.29 | Veggen | czr: In no sane world should that be possible. |
| 21:33.31 | elb | they simply can't try enough compounds fast enough |
| 21:33.44 | Veggen | (let me see if I can find it) |
| 21:33.47 | czr | Veggen, I know. I'm moving to Mars soon. I'm sick of this shit.. |
| 21:33.50 | czr | Veggen, nm. |
| 21:33.50 | elb | in any event, this sort of discussion never ends anywhere, so I'll do my part by bowing out ;-) |
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| 21:34.46 | czr | hah. |
| 21:34.48 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, lool |
| 21:35.21 | LinuxCode | czr, lool |
| 21:35.29 | czr | allyourbasearebelongtome |
| 21:35.32 | Veggen | czr: I didn't start it. I think :) |
| 21:35.33 | Tak | czr: I think Guido van Rossum beat you to it |
| 21:35.39 | czr | Veggen, yeah, it was me :-) |
| 21:35.51 | czr | Tak, neh, python = <3 goodness :-) |
| 21:36.15 | Tak | yes, I agree that the goodness of python is less than 3 |
| 21:36.22 | czr | lcuk_2, the internet backlog you mean? |
| 21:36.33 | lcuk_2 | no i dont go on those sorts of sites |
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| 21:36.45 | czr | no. not internet backstreets.. |
| 21:36.55 | czr | emacs? |
| 21:37.02 | LinuxCode | no |
| 21:37.06 | LinuxCode | i said good |
| 21:37.10 | LinuxCode | lol j/k |
| 21:37.12 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:37.13 | czr | and you said any :-) |
| 21:37.17 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 21:37.39 | lcuk_2 | didnt vi and emacs build the internet? |
| 21:37.55 | czr | no. internet was a spawn of ed. |
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| 21:38.36 | jsmith | czr: No, I"m pretty sure vi is the spawn of ed |
| 21:38.51 | czr | they're both |
| 21:38.56 | czr | internet = vi. |
| 21:39.06 | czr | winterniet |
| 21:39.25 | Veggen | I actually write all my documentation in vim :) |
| 21:39.27 | LinuxCode | what that buttler of diania called again ? |
| 21:39.30 | LinuxCode | diana |
| 21:39.35 | Veggen | I refuse to follow all these wordisms. |
| 21:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | Diania is Diana's homeworld? |
| 21:39.52 | LinuxCode | we need to pack him inot a capsule and send him to the moon on the Uks first moon mission |
| 21:39.55 | czr | LinuxCode, I don't think she needs any more butter |
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| 21:40.00 | jsmith | Veggen: So do I... In fact, I've written *books* in vim |
| 21:40.02 | lcuk_2 | veggen, what are you still doing online anyway - arent you meant to be shittin yourself about now? |
| 21:40.07 | Veggen | These days, sharepoint is sort of getting popular. I know there exist a sharepoint somewhere that I think we're supposed to work. |
| 21:40.08 | LinuxCode | czr, course not.. |
| 21:40.10 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 21:40.10 | Veggen | eh, use. |
| 21:40.17 | czr | GeneralAntilles, yeah, just like Nokia is the land of the small Nok-people. |
| 21:40.20 | LinuxCode | that buttler guy is a moron |
| 21:40.25 | pupnik | yaay for removing -Werror |
| 21:40.35 | Veggen | lcuk: Oh, I have 1 h 20 minutes for finishing preparations. |
| 21:40.41 | czr | Veggen, I feel your pain. SPS is the devil's spawn |
| 21:40.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . BUTTler |
| 21:40.43 | Veggen | I can waste about half of it. |
| 21:40.57 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, whats what he is lol |
| 21:41.15 | LinuxCode | I sneaked the t is on purpose |
| 21:41.18 | lcuk_2 | lol vegg - the half life principle works with everything |
| 21:41.19 | LinuxCode | in |
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| 21:42.03 | LinuxCode | Im off to bed guys..been up since 3am |
| 21:42.06 | LinuxCode | nn all |
| 21:42.09 | lcuk_2 | nite linux |
| 21:42.09 | LinuxCode | ttyl |
| 21:42.12 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 21:42.36 | lcuk_2 | right, time for some code from me as well for half hour |
| 21:42.50 | czr | sadly, I still have nothing useful to do |
| 21:43.16 | pupnik | ?! |
| 21:43.18 | lcuk_2 | i am still pondering the best way to control an active media player in linux (desktop) |
| 21:43.36 | fysa | mind |
| 21:43.40 | lcuk_2 | in windows i can code up SendKeys(...) and make things work |
| 21:43.50 | megabyte405 | rem00t |
| 21:43.52 | lcuk_2 | cant see anything for linux tho |
| 21:43.53 | pupnik | now can anybody involved in open-source ever be lacking in things to do is a mystery to me |
| 21:44.07 | czr | pupnik, _useful_.. |
| 21:44.16 | czr | I have things to do. they're just not very useful atm :-) |
| 21:44.17 | megabyte405 | I use rewwwoot/remoot to control media players using a web interface |
| 21:44.20 | megabyte405 | works really nicely |
| 21:44.24 | czr | like verifying bugs and such |
| 21:44.46 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, mpd? or am I missing something? |
| 21:45.23 | megabyte405 | lcuk_2: if you're looking to integrate/control an existing desktop media player, try remoot. If you just want the PC as a media server, then mpd might be a better pick |
| 21:45.31 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, i know nothing about linux as i said - ive written a basic remote control for 810 which sends commands to my windows machine and works nicely, but that uses sendkeys to control the active media player |
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| 21:45.48 | lcuk_2 | megabyte405, im just searching for that now |
| 21:45.53 | GeneralAntilles | You want the same for a Linux desktop? |
| 21:45.59 | lcuk_2 | yer |
| 21:46.02 | megabyte405 | should do exactly what you want - it's what I use it for |
| 21:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just use mpd + mmpc |
| 21:46.07 | Tama^2 | ok, n00b question: I would like to use my n800 as a music player (ipod replacement). Which media player do you suggest? (something that indexes and uses mp3 metadata) |
| 21:46.18 | megabyte405 | I like ukmp |
| 21:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'd try them all yourself, Tama^2. |
| 21:46.27 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody is gonna give you a different answer. |
| 21:46.35 | megabyte405 | there are lots of options and lots of people have their own favorite for wathever reason |
| 21:46.37 | lcuk_2 | tama, GeneralAntilles is right, go shopping |
| 21:46.39 | GeneralAntilles | There really isn't a single _perfect_ media player. |
| 21:46.51 | lcuk_2 | there should be |
| 21:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | They all have their strengths and weaknesses that work or don't work for different people. |
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| 21:47.13 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, there's never gonna be one answer that works for everybody. :P |
| 21:47.14 | lcuk_2 | too many cooking pots mean you are full before you chose your favorite |
| 21:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you integrate a lot of different paradigms into one application. |
| 21:47.46 | Tama^2 | right, I see the point but I mentione ipod replacemtn for a reason |
| 21:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, the built-in Media player works really well for me. |
| 21:47.52 | lcuk_2 | i know GeneralAntilles its like windows has 4 or 5 normal players that people use |
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| 21:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm impressed with Canola2 so far, but it still needs some more spit'n'polish. |
| 21:48.27 | HardandFast | i'll be back |
| 21:48.27 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: does it index metadata? |
| 21:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | UKMP is pretty cool. |
| 21:48.35 | lcuk_2 | i dont like canola, it feels slow |
| 21:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | Support has been dropped, though. |
| 21:48.47 | lcuk_2 | specifally the pictures |
| 21:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | Kagu is another good one. |
| 21:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, you didn't use the photo browser under OS2007. :P |
| 21:49.09 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 21:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | Media Center a lot of people seem to like. |
| 21:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | Or OS2005 for that matter. <_< |
| 21:49.31 | megabyte405 | support has been dropped for UKMP? |
| 21:49.36 | megabyte405 | or it just hasnt'seen a up date in a while? |
| 21:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | Dropped |
| 21:49.42 | lcuk_2 | gen, im serious about wanting to lower the bit depth and get speed, i could handle less colors = faster updates for entire experience |
| 21:49.47 | megabyte405 | man, that sucks... |
| 21:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | Konttori bowed out in favor of Canola |
| 21:50.43 | megabyte405 | seems weird to me - there was just starting to be an apparent community of devs (like, active svn) |
| 21:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, he's working at Nokia now. |
| 21:51.15 | lcuk_2 | back later |
| 21:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | He's off to take some amphetamines, isn't he? |
| 21:51.49 | megabyte405 | meh, it's open source, someone can pick it up if they want to |
| 21:51.57 | chrisak | default media player is great, prolly |
| 21:52.15 | lcuk_2 | no you silly sod, im off to get scratchbox or native compiling working so i can start delving deeper |
| 21:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | Sure . . . |
| 21:52.47 | Tak | I was thinking he was off to chat up Sandra Bullock on a bus |
| 21:52.52 | lcuk_2 | lol |
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| 21:52.57 | czr | lcuk_2, you store your amphetamines in scratchbox? |
| 21:53.12 | czr | apt-get install "you know what I need" |
| 21:53.24 | Tak | apt-get install '.*' |
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| 21:57.54 | lcuk_2 | the maemo vmware image: is it meant to just work out of the box and should i just be able to hit build and get compiled files i can copy out and use directly on my 810? |
| 21:58.59 | chrisak | Been researching options for dl'ing usenet binaries. Is claws a good solution? Can it handle multipart binary posts? |
| 21:59.02 | Veggen | lcuk: As far as I know, yes. |
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| 21:59.34 | Veggen | (if it supports the newest sdk, of course) |
| 21:59.55 | czr | lcuk_2, 'hit build'? :-) |
| 22:00.00 | czr | lcuk_2, otherwise yes :-) |
| 22:00.13 | czr | lcuk_2, you'll probably want to use scp to copy the files over |
| 22:00.24 | p| | hum |
| 22:00.26 | lcuk_2 | veggen, yes its got chinook dsks but i think my inexperience with linux in general is getting in the way. im getting lost with systems within systems and where binaries end up and all kinds of crap |
| 22:00.34 | p| | no irb on ruby4maemo ? |
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| 22:00.38 | lcuk_2 | sdks ^ |
| 22:01.05 | fysa | or nfs? |
| 22:01.36 | fysa | with a claw hammer? |
| 22:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | Eat his brains. Gain his knowledge! |
| 22:02.00 | Veggen | lcuk: beer often helps. |
| 22:02.02 | lcuk_2 | nahhh fysa - i just need to sit down with someone and get the env setup |
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| 22:03.08 | lcuk_2 | once im there and i can get at stuff im fine but its just way OTT - i think i could do direct linux building now but scratchbox within linux within vmware is just yarghhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:03.16 | Tak | p|: nope |
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| 22:03.37 | lcuk_2 | anyway ill ponder that later |
| 22:03.44 | lcuk_2 | cyas later guys |
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| 22:14.12 | czr | lcuk_2, if you're using debian/ubuntu, it's pretty easy to do "direct" building (without the vmware in between) |
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| 22:16.09 | maddler | oompa loompa... |
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| 22:29.10 | pupnik | oop vmware broke my shift key ;/ bbl |
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| 22:55.21 | jackster | anyone know a good podcatcher other than canoly? |
| 22:55.40 | ph|ber | canola2 ROCKS! |
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| 22:56.16 | jackster | indeed, but other than canola |
| 22:57.13 | lcuk_2 | czr, main system is running windows..daytime work depends upon it too much to not have it fully usable |
| 22:57.28 | czr | lcuk_2, ah, I see. so what's the problem then? |
| 22:58.13 | czr | "Sorry, we are unable to process your request. Our system is experiencing some difficulties. Please try again later. ". awww. |
| 22:58.15 | czr | how sad. |
| 22:58.28 | czr | one would think that HP would have some hw to spare. guess not. |
| 22:59.10 | lcuk_2 | its just inexperience i think |
| 22:59.31 | czr | mine or theirs? :-) |
| 22:59.42 | czr | they're used to me. I bitch about bugs in their hardware and other crap |
| 22:59.43 | lcuk_2 | i prefer one step at a time, but getting used to linux+exclipse+scratchbox+maemo all at once has kindof fried my brain |
| 22:59.53 | czr | ah, you meant linuxwindowsthing |
| 23:00.04 | lcuk_2 | yer lol |
| 23:00.08 | czr | lcuk_2, have you taken a look at the training material? |
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| 23:00.31 | czr | it starts in very shallow waters, so to speak |
| 23:00.53 | lcuk_2 | i tried right at the start, but i dont think i was ready. it all just went over my head. ive had time to digest some stuff now so think if i restart it all i might actually get it together |
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| 23:01.28 | czr | it assumes some experience with Linux and C |
| 23:01.40 | czr | although the starting with maemo material should be quite generic |
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| 23:02.01 | czr | there's also 'technology overview', but I haven't read it so can't say whether you should either :-) |
| 23:02.10 | lcuk_2 | the c part is fine (if a little rusty) but not understanding how linux slotted together and then needing to jump that ont oa cross compilation rig as well just made it go gaga |
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| 23:02.35 | lcuk_2 | also learning how to type would help |
| 23:02.41 | czr | the getting start material handles that pretty gracefully methinks |
| 23:02.56 | czr | it must be all the pink fur on your back, limiting your movement ;-) |
| 23:03.08 | lcuk_2 | yer i am getting better at handling the shell i think |
| 23:03.18 | czr | the shell is your friend after all |
| 23:03.47 | lcuk_2 | yer, its not point and click... |
| 23:04.19 | czr | it's for people who appreciate power over repetition |
| 23:04.35 | lcuk_2 | toolchains for the windows (full/pocket) devices havent changed much in years |
| 23:04.45 | czr | yup |
| 23:05.04 | czr | shell hasn't changed in unix either. for much longer than in windows I might add. |
| 23:05.11 | czr | (at least the basic stuff, and basic commands) |
| 23:05.28 | lcuk_2 | there is just an overwhelming amount of - choice - in linux as to which path is best. i will find my way as i have with python |
| 23:05.33 | czr | and the unix shell exist long past the time when MS decides to drop their poor excuse of a shell from their 4D desktop systems |
| 23:05.41 | czr | lcuk_2, indeed there is :-) |
| 23:06.02 | czr | lcuk_2, try to find people close to you (relatively) and ask them what to use. that way you'll know who to ask about the problems (or just use IRC) |
| 23:06.24 | czr | I'd probably forgo the whole eclipse "experience" if I'd be you |
| 23:06.34 | czr | although you'll probably want to torture yourself with a GUI environment, right? |
| 23:06.47 | lcuk_2 | i mentioned that earlier, im gonna see whos knocking around here and grab some training :) |
| 23:07.12 | lcuk_2 | not at all, i yearn for a basic (within reason...) editor with a build now button |
| 23:07.15 | czr | also, this channel is pretty friendly if not always very active, feel free to ask |
| 23:07.40 | lcuk_2 | i know that, its been a great resource so far :) |
| 23:07.46 | czr | build button = writing make on the command line and pressing enter.. :-) |
| 23:07.58 | czr | <jedi>You don't need the mouse in order to be productive</jedi> |
| 23:08.47 | lcuk_2 | no, but the up arrow on 810 is a million miles away - i do editing in notepad here on windows and save back directly with SCP and run it under python |
| 23:08.56 | lcuk_2 | its enough to get me comfortable without hassle |
| 23:09.21 | lcuk_2 | its about the same effort as it was coding for my pocketpc |
| 23:09.31 | lcuk_2 | only its faster... |
| 23:10.51 | lcuk_2 | anyway, i think i will re-extract this vmware image and see how far i can get tonight |
| 23:11.22 | lcuk_2 | thx for the boost, catch you later :) |
| 23:12.12 | czr | later lcuk_2 |
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| 23:21.02 | pupnik | Baldur's Gate: http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg :D |
| 23:22.30 | Xamuzk | actually, I use eclipse to edit python |
| 23:23.31 | Xamuzk | pupnik, damn, how did you do it? that game is great! |
| 23:23.42 | pupnik | :P |
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| 23:23.51 | pupnik | just got it running 15 minutes ago |
| 23:23.54 | jott | sdl ftw :) |
| 23:24.41 | elb | is baldur's gate open source, now? |
| 23:24.55 | jott | there is a oss clone GemRB ... |
| 23:24.57 | pupnik | no, i bought the 4-game set for like 10 euro |
| 23:25.13 | jott | data files are still not free i suppose |
| 23:25.24 | pupnik | yes, but they are incredibly cheap for the value |
| 23:25.25 | elb | oh, so you're just using the data files from the game? |
| 23:25.29 | pupnik | yes |
| 23:25.34 | elb | interesting |
| 23:25.39 | Xamuzk | cool |
| 23:25.47 | elb | was the game engine reverse-engineered, or are its mechanics known? |
| 23:25.59 | elb | (the accomplishment is awesome, by the way) |
| 23:26.23 | pupnik | reverse engineered by a heroic team over 8 years |
| 23:26.25 | Xamuzk | it's just hard to put 4 CDs inside the N810... it's go sd! |
| 23:26.44 | pupnik | bg2 is about 2.3 GB on SD |
| 23:26.49 | jott | Xamuzk: you could swap 1gb sds ;) |
| 23:26.56 | Xamuzk | cool |
| 23:27.16 | Xamuzk | I quit my gaming days when I chose to use linux |
| 23:27.18 | elb | ahh, I see, the baldur's gate engine is something like the infosys engine |
| 23:27.45 | user_810 | xamuz... same here... and no remorse... :D |
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| 23:28.19 | maddler_810 | doh... didnt realized... |
| 23:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | That's what consoles are for. ;) |
| 23:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stick with the last generation and everything's super-cheap, too! |
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| 23:33.56 | elb | GeneralAntilles: amen |
| 23:34.14 | elb | GeneralAntilles: I'm rocking out the used PS2 games for $5-10 each -- I never played them when they were new, so they're all new material to me ;-) |
| 23:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | My problem is that I buy the consoles around release and don't buy games until they're in the $10 bin. |
| 23:34.33 | lardman | night chaps |
| 23:34.33 | pupnik | way to go |
| 23:34.37 | pupnik | cu lardman|gone |
| 23:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a release-day PS2 that I just started getting games for. |
| 23:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | Picked up the GTA series for $12.99 from Best Buy. :D |
| 23:34.51 | elb | I bought the PS2 after the PS3 came out when it dropped to like $100 |
| 23:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | Though I admit I get a lot of play out of my 360 and Wii. |
| 23:35.14 | elb | yeah, I picked up GTA:VC for like $4 the other day at Game Stop |
| 23:35.19 | elb | I'm too cheap for the new consoles |
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| 23:35.32 | elb | but I completely agree with the sentiment ... computer games just aren't worth the headache |
| 23:35.37 | elb | Windows, drivers, etc. |
| 23:35.50 | elb | I've never had to upgrade DirectX to get my GameCube or PS2 working ;-) |
| 23:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm something of a Mac "gamer". |
| 23:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Lot of good shareware and freeware stuff out there. |
| 23:36.06 | elb | that said ... StarCraft |
| 23:36.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | 12 years old and still going strong! |
| 23:36.21 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, Yeah, and PhotoShop is aaaawesome :D |
| 23:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | Always loved the Ambrosias SW stuff. |
| 23:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | s/Ambrosias/Ambrosia/ |
| 23:37.45 | |R | Maelstrom! |
| 23:38.09 | pupnik | intro sequence working |
| 23:39.02 | Xamuzk | actually, the best game ever for me is Total Anihillation |
| 23:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, yeah, |R! :D |
| 23:39.54 | pupnik | damn this is so cool |
| 23:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | I miss Avara. |
| 23:41.12 | Xamuzk | the old adventures were also cool |
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| 23:56.51 | lcuk_2 | :) |
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