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| 00:13.09 | k-s | hugolp: u need to use external scripts |
| 00:13.23 | k-s | hugolp: there is a project on garage called: canola-tuning |
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| 00:22.06 | mozillar_ | hello |
| 00:23.20 | mozillar_ | is it possible to use the camera on the N800 with Adobe Flash Player? |
| 00:24.27 | mozillar_ | like to do a YouTube quick capture with Adobe Flash in the web browser? |
| 00:29.39 | pupnik | yet another reason to kick adobe in the nads |
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| 00:44.23 | nwidger | hello, im having troubles accessing my razr phone over bluetooth with my n810 |
| 00:44.56 | nwidger | when i click the phone in file manager i just get the message 'Unable to connect to remote device' |
| 00:45.13 | nwidger | does anyone know what's wrong? the pairing was successful so i dont really know what else to do |
| 00:45.59 | elb | is bluetooth turned on on your phone, or did you turn it on "temporarily" for pairing? |
| 00:46.04 | elb | (most Motorola phones have such an option) |
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| 00:46.40 | nwidger | elb: no the phone says bluetooth power is on |
| 00:47.45 | elb | and does it list the tablet as a known device in its 'connections' screen? |
| 00:47.53 | elb | (assuming it's anything like my v551) |
| 00:48.17 | nwidger | elb: the only thing like that is 'device history', and the tablet is listed there |
| 00:50.25 | elb | then we're beyond my ability to help; doubtless someone with more clue will step up, if you can wait a bit :-) |
| 00:58.47 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox_N8x0.tgz new test build of dosbox 0.72 cvs optimized for n800 / n810 - give it a shot, put mapper.txt in /home/user or so and point to it in the .dosboxrc conf |
| 00:59.46 | pupnik | seems to go up to 2400-3000 cycles, compared to 770's 800-1100 |
| 01:00.58 | pupnik | unfortunately the sb16 emulation frequently chokes at higher cycles, requiring me to reduce them to about 1000-1600. the mapper.txt will allow fullscreen toggle and cycle adjustment with plus/minus |
| 01:07.09 | pupnik | bbl |
| 01:10.45 | johnx | Trying to compile a kernel for the N800/2008OS that shows boot messages..Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 01:53.30 | johnx | Am I just missing something obvious? I can't seem to find any way to disable this... |
| 01:53.37 | johnx | (the boot logo that is) |
| 01:55.02 | johnx | if I enable r&d mode will I be able to see boot messages? |
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| 02:03.41 | proteous | no |
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| 02:05.48 | Xamusk | what's that red/blue pill mode stuff? |
| 02:06.04 | oil | good morning. |
| 02:06.53 | proteous | if you install xterminal you can look at dmesg |
| 02:08.28 | proteous | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html |
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| 02:17.32 | johnx | I'm in the process of getting a more complete debian system booting off of my SD card, so the overall goal is to somehow see what's happening as the device boots |
| 02:17.47 | proteous | ah |
| 02:18.38 | johnx | I think I'll try getting debian to start up usb networking early on and run a small telnet server |
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| 02:28.55 | lcuk_2 | Finally |
| 02:29.08 | lcuk_2 | that took some bloody hassle. |
| 02:29.34 | proteous | finaly got that round peg forced into that square hole? |
| 02:29.49 | lcuk_2 | johnx, i remember someone saying they managed to get some decent stats out of 800 whilst booting |
| 02:29.52 | proteous | you probably should have just used the round hole, or the square peg |
| 02:30.43 | lcuk_2 | the guy is called "sibbe" and came in here on jan 7th quite impressed with himself |
| 02:30.54 | lcuk_2 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-07.log.html |
| 02:30.57 | lcuk_2 | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-001-mmc_first_try.png |
| 02:31.31 | johnx | hmm...maybe the kernel doesn't actually have a console enabled?? |
| 02:31.35 | lcuk_2 | proteous, it was google foo i was lacking, every search on the log came back with nothing |
| 02:31.54 | lcuk_2 | i saw your question and though (like you) that you could just get rid of the boot image |
| 02:32.01 | lcuk_2 | but it seems not |
| 02:33.01 | johnx | lcuk_2, and I know it's not something running in Maemo's init.d because I actually test-booted from my debian chroot already |
| 02:33.13 | johnx | I have no idea how successful it was though ... because I couldn't see anything. :) |
| 02:36.57 | johnx | hmm...looks like there are built-in hooks for bootchart? |
| 02:37.00 | johnx | fun |
| 02:37.21 | lcuk_2 | he gives more of an explaination when he returned on the 9th |
| 02:37.21 | lcuk_2 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-09.log.html |
| 02:37.30 | lcuk_2 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-09.log.html |
| 02:37.32 | lcuk_2 | crap |
| 02:37.36 | johnx | ah. thanks |
| 02:38.14 | lcuk_2 | at about 00:15. anyway, its way above what i could accomplish with my knowledge for now. if you can make anything of it then great :) |
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| 02:46.07 | johnx | I'm not seeing support for a framebuffer console...Could the kernel actually not be built with support for it |
| 02:46.09 | johnx | ? |
| 02:46.16 | johnx | I mean I guess it would save space |
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| 03:42.31 | johnx | woo! at least I know init starts running scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 03:42.48 | proteous | heh |
| 03:43.23 | johnx | I mean, I know that debian's init starts and starts at least the first script in rcS.d |
| 03:47.29 | johnx | and now we have usbnet |
| 03:47.48 | johnx | my telnetd won't let me connect though :/ |
| 03:49.58 | proteous | maybe some sort of serial console over USB |
| 03:50.36 | johnx | I think that actually might be more difficult...if I can't make the telnetd server work in another couple tries I might reconsider |
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| 03:56.46 | ianloic_ | hey, is there a person to talk to about the N810 device program? I've been accepted but my number hasn't worked in the US store. |
| 03:57.10 | ianloic_ | None of the emails have any end-user-serviceable reply email address |
| 04:02.13 | proteous | don't know myself |
| 04:04.31 | johnx | I have no idea. Last I heard it was still up in the air. |
| 04:10.04 | ianloic_ | ahh wells |
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| 04:21.10 | oil | what is the talk about n810 having fm-radio transmitter? |
| 04:21.43 | proteous | reciever maybe |
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| 04:26.13 | oil | there is some sites that says that n810 would have the transmitter as well |
| 04:28.31 | johnx | maybe it was planned at some point, but not included in the final hardware? |
| 04:29.39 | oil | might be. at least there is Nokia FM-transmitter (car plug) offered at the n810 nokia homepage |
| 04:30.15 | johnx | if the FCC didn't have a section on their report on the N810 then it doesn't have an FM transmitter though... |
| 04:30.26 | johnx | also: woo! haha! booted debian on an N800 and logged in via usbnet |
| 04:31.52 | proteous | nice |
| 04:31.58 | johnx | that was actually pretty easy once I gave up on a physical console |
| 04:32.03 | proteous | heh |
| 04:32.31 | johnx | just a couple lines in the first script that init runs to start usbnet and utelnetd |
| 04:33.05 | johnx | now I need to figure out why it won't go multiuser :/ |
| 04:40.26 | johnx | oh...it did go multiuser. runlevel is just broken O_o |
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| 05:57.47 | johnx | looks like the N800 wireless drivers sill don't support wireless extensions 18, so no way to use wpa_supplicant :/ |
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| 06:08.05 | pupnik | argh, sneezing while eating ramen sends it up my noze |
| 06:08.06 | pupnik | <- noodlenose |
| 06:08.15 | johnx | oh nose! |
| 06:08.23 | pupnik | it stings |
| 06:08.27 | johnx | ramen sounds delicious right now though |
| 06:08.54 | pupnik | in the local stores i can get cases of yum yum ramen very cheap |
| 06:08.59 | pupnik | also some 'mama' brand |
| 06:09.24 | pupnik | frankfurt near the trainstation has a great asian grocery with many many kinds of ramen |
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| 06:10.49 | pupnik | you are awake at an interesting time johnx |
| 06:11.11 | johnx | check my IP :) |
| 06:11.26 | johnx | I'm in Japan |
| 06:11.46 | pupnik | wow |
| 06:12.09 | pupnik | ever see the movie 'lost in translation' starring bill murray? |
| 06:12.18 | johnx | actually, I don't think so |
| 06:12.46 | johnx | when you said ramen I was thinking of a local ramen place, actually :D |
| 06:12.47 | pupnik | directed by sofia coppola. very good. if you ever take business trips. it has a special reality |
| 06:12.52 | pupnik | you jerk |
| 06:13.16 | pupnik | have you been in japan for long? |
| 06:13.46 | johnx | like 10 months or so |
| 06:14.16 | |R | hehe |
| 06:14.24 | |R | ramen like in: Tampopo ? ;) |
| 06:14.33 | pupnik | good movie |
| 06:14.40 | pupnik | you jerk |
| 06:15.00 | johnx | pupnik, jeez. don't be mad. I'll mail you some ramen |
| 06:15.09 | pupnik | :) |
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| 06:15.31 | pupnik | make a video of something in tokyo! |
| 06:16.06 | johnx | I don't have a video camera. :( |
| 06:16.06 | pupnik | or tkae a pic |
| 06:17.10 | johnx | there: http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167931/ |
| 06:17.10 | |R | johnx : any hint for a 19 days trip? :) |
| 06:17.58 | johnx | |R, Are you interested in temples and shrines or more into doing stuff in the city? |
| 06:18.30 | johnx | pupnik, actually I think my wife took that pick. ;) It was my camera though. :P |
| 06:18.32 | pupnik | oh whatever pic you like |
| 06:18.34 | pupnik | ty |
| 06:18.50 | johnx | poke at that page more and you get to see my tiny apartment O_o |
| 06:18.56 | pupnik | wow futuristic |
| 06:19.14 | pupnik | small! |
| 06:19.43 | johnx | the main room is behind me in that pic I think |
| 06:19.52 | pupnik | clean |
| 06:20.10 | johnx | notice the suitcases? just moved in when that pic was taken |
| 06:20.13 | johnx | not as clean now |
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| 06:45.31 | oil | johnx: how big is your apartment? |
| 06:46.27 | johnx | you want that in feet, meters or tatami mats? |
| 06:46.42 | |R | haha |
| 06:47.01 | oil | I suppose the rooms can be small, but the bathroom need to be huge so that the toilet seat integrated with expresso machine, internet and bed can fit in :) |
| 06:47.20 | johnx | it's just a plain toilet :/ |
| 06:47.34 | johnx | but it has the power outlet so I can buy a replacement toilet seat with all the functions |
| 06:47.42 | oil | m2 would be good. do you use asian size for apartments or european? |
| 06:48.46 | johnx | well, I'm american so I think in x feet by y feet |
| 06:49.17 | johnx | but the guys selling the apartment think in number of tatami mats (I'm really not kidding) |
| 06:49.32 | oil | what is the size for it? |
| 06:49.35 | |R | haha |
| 06:49.43 | |R | try to convert that in google ;) |
| 06:49.53 | johnx | let me measure quick, don't remember any more |
| 06:50.16 | |R | (doesn't work :( ) |
| 06:50.20 | pupnik | as long as u makin money |
| 06:51.58 | pupnik | http://www.pupnik.de/pupnik_4am.jpg my evening 'field testing' new dosbox |
| 06:53.02 | johnx | so maybe the main room part of the apartment is ~9ft by ~14ft |
| 06:53.08 | johnx | then the hallway that you see in the pic |
| 06:53.53 | pupnik | i would have problems with that |
| 06:53.58 | oil | johnx: thinking in a positive way. you don't need to have many friends to have a great party at your apartment :) |
| 06:54.45 | johnx | oil, ahahaha...it's so true |
| 06:55.00 | johnx | maybe 5 people total and the place is pretty full |
| 06:55.22 | johnx | and alcohol is very cheap to buy at the stores... |
| 06:55.35 | johnx | pupnik, it's a little tight |
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| 06:56.22 | johnx | pupnik, I'm confused: how does that picture have anything to do with dosbox? |
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| 07:00.21 | pupnik | that was me testing dosbox tonight in the park |
| 07:00.36 | pupnik | with a becks |
| 07:00.58 | johnx | ah, just without a pic of a tablet running dosbox? :P |
| 07:01.09 | johnx | cool pic though |
| 07:01.11 | pupnik | a few nice surprises tonight, 1942 was faster than i dreamed |
| 07:01.13 | pupnik | ty |
| 07:01.26 | pupnik | but there are a lot of problems left to sort out |
| 07:01.41 | pupnik | yah no tablet |
| 07:02.23 | johnx | well I've been making a little progress on getting debian booting on the N800, but it's not really "usable" in any way right now |
| 07:02.51 | pupnik | wow |
| 07:03.14 | johnx | it boots, usb networking works, and I can run utelnetd and login |
| 07:04.30 | johnx | no physical console, no xserver, no wifi, no sound, no powersaving, no cpufreq, no access to builtin NAND |
| 07:05.20 | pupnik | well that's all... frills |
| 07:05.25 | johnx | :D |
| 07:05.36 | johnx | that's what I keep telling people |
| 07:07.25 | pupnik | well my little coaster on the bell curve of consciousness is off the far edge |
| 07:07.51 | pupnik | well below the poitn where i should be on a puter |
| 07:07.55 | pupnik | - cheers |
| 07:08.03 | johnx | g'night |
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| 07:38.25 | irq | my n810 is f'd up... reboot loop. i've managed to stop it from looping with the disable-watchdog flasher thing, and i can ssh into it, but i'm having trouble figuring out what it causing the watchdog to go off |
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| 07:38.35 | irq | any ideas on where to look? obviously /var/log isn't a choice |
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| 07:41.06 | johnx | irq, anything can cause it it seems |
| 07:41.25 | johnx | I tried to add an alsa gstreamer plugin and ended up in reboot loop |
| 07:41.27 | irq | from what i've read on internettablettalk it's probably the recent rtcomm update |
| 07:41.33 | irq | which updated the package osso-accounts-plugin-idle |
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| 07:41.44 | johnx | that could be it then |
| 07:41.44 | irq | any idea on how i can either confirm that or get the files that the original osso-accounts-plugin-idle had? |
| 07:41.53 | johnx | I didn't add the new rtcomm stuff |
| 07:42.00 | johnx | ah |
| 07:42.12 | irq | johnx... may i beg you... to tar up your osso-accounts-plugin-idle files and send them to me? |
| 07:42.19 | irq | really all i need is /usr/lib/libaccounts-plugins* |
| 07:42.25 | johnx | hang on a sec |
| 07:42.43 | johnx | I need to reboot my tablet back into maemo |
| 07:42.45 | irq | thanks! |
| 07:42.49 | irq | what were you using? kde? |
| 07:42.58 | johnx | debian :) |
| 07:43.04 | irq | oh :) |
| 07:43.08 | irq | i saw a kde build recently |
| 07:43.12 | LoCusF | debian sid works, right? |
| 07:43.16 | irq | is there no way to get a .deb for the osso-accounts-plugin-idle previous version? |
| 07:43.42 | johnx | irq, I should be able to make you one with dpkg-repack |
| 07:43.49 | johnx | LoCusF, in a chroot yes |
| 07:43.50 | irq | damn john, that'd be the most awesome thing in the whole world |
| 07:44.16 | irq | i also need to look into some sort of method for making an exact bootable duplicate of internal flash onto my sd card |
| 07:44.21 | LoCusF | or then search via apt-cache the correct version and then install it: apt-get install osso-accounts-plugin-idle=version |
| 07:44.28 | irq | y'know, like dd if=/dev/sda but that would work on this nokia thing. |
| 07:44.35 | johnx | I can make it boot and get usbnet but I'm missing the following: sound, touchscreen, video of any sort, sound, power saving, wireless, bluetooth and access to the clock |
| 07:45.11 | johnx | search for "boot from sd n800" and you'll find what you want |
| 07:45.23 | johnx | it's a little bit involved, but if you follow directions it works out fine |
| 07:45.36 | irq | ok cool |
| 07:45.39 | johnx | irq, try apt-cache policy osso-accounts-plugin-idle |
| 07:46.21 | johnx | and tell me if you see an older version available in a repository |
| 07:46.21 | irq | no :( |
| 07:46.21 | irq | just 0.2-1.2 |
| 07:46.21 | irq | having trouble making a package? |
| 07:46.21 | johnx | it'll just take a while |
| 07:46.22 | johnx | I have to get dpkg-repack installed again |
| 07:46.25 | irq | oh that's fine, thanks so much! |
| 07:46.31 | irq | i hope this fixes it |
| 07:46.34 | irq | are there really no log files anywhere? |
| 07:46.39 | johnx | hopefully it will |
| 07:46.39 | irq | is there a way to enable logging of watchdog? |
| 07:46.46 | johnx | not that I know of |
| 07:47.01 | johnx | that doesn't mean much though :) |
| 07:47.18 | irq | so like i said, i put it in the no-watchdog mode, and it powers up and stays on, but the screen is white constantly, no gui. is that normal for no-watchdog + rd mode? |
| 07:47.30 | rm_you | johnx: sup :) |
| 07:47.35 | johnx | hey |
| 07:47.45 | johnx | irq, aaah...it won't even get to a desktop? |
| 07:47.50 | irq | not currently, no |
| 07:47.56 | johnx | that's not normal :( |
| 07:48.04 | LoCusF | wsod |
| 07:48.10 | irq | yes loucsf |
| 07:48.18 | irq | any way to determine why? like i said, i have ssh access |
| 07:48.29 | irq | i sooooooooo don't want to reflash |
| 07:48.59 | johnx | you can at least tar up your / and put it on an sd card |
| 07:49.12 | irq | mediaplayer-engine is running - is that normal? |
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| 07:49.25 | johnx | I don't really know |
| 07:49.49 | irq | my day job is a linux sysadmin, and i have to say it pisses me off that i can't find any logging info in this thing at all |
| 07:49.52 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 07:49.56 | irq | i know it makes sense not to let the tiny memory fill up with log files |
| 07:50.05 | irq | but at least the last 10 minutes or something would be extremely helpful here |
| 07:50.40 | johnx | nokia made a lot of choices that aren't targetted at hackers |
| 07:50.49 | johnx | such as not enabling support for a physical console |
| 07:51.07 | johnx | anyways, irq, I'm making dinner, so I'm going to let this run and I'll be back in ~10-20 minutes |
| 07:51.14 | irq | okay, thanks |
| 07:51.26 | irq | if i'm not here when you get back, please email to prs a(t) nyip () net |
| 07:52.17 | johnx | sure |
| 07:52.30 | irq | so anyone else here have tips on troubleshooting a whitescreen of death? |
| 07:52.31 | rm_you | yeah |
| 07:52.37 | rm_you | lack of /var/log/* is AGGRIVATING >_< |
| 07:52.40 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:52.40 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:53.03 | johnx | so is lack of physical console built into kernel |
| 07:53.07 | johnx | but debian boots at least |
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| 07:55.12 | irq | while we're all talking, has anyone here had problems with rdesktop? |
| 07:55.27 | irq | for me, it works once, but then unless i reboot, it never works again; failing with an X11 "Bad Window" error message |
| 07:56.40 | johnx | nothing to test against |
| 07:56.46 | irq | good for you :) |
| 07:56.50 | irq | occupational hazard for me... |
| 07:57.03 | johnx | heh..except the wife's laptop...heheheh :D |
| 07:57.13 | irq | the only reason i use it is for the vmware virtualcenter client, which runs my esx servers that run all my linux stuff :) |
| 07:59.14 | rm_you | johnx: so wait... you actually got debian booting on it? :P |
| 07:59.23 | johnx | yeah |
| 07:59.27 | rm_you | wow :P |
| 07:59.29 | johnx | with caveats mentioned above |
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| 08:01.15 | rm_you | I need to try to get my backlight app set up on garage now... |
| 08:01.51 | johnx | irq, I don't have that plugin |
| 08:02.01 | johnx | I have one for jabber gtalk and sip |
| 08:02.04 | johnx | no idle |
| 08:02.10 | johnx | try removing it I guess |
| 08:02.18 | rm_you | Is there like... a Garage tutorial? :P |
| 08:02.22 | irq | i did :( |
| 08:02.31 | irq | this is so f'd up |
| 08:02.32 | rm_you | like when adding a file, what does "Release Name" mean |
| 08:03.00 | irq | so i guess the real problem i should be trying to solve is simply getting the desktop to show up |
| 08:03.37 | johnx | I would tar up your / while you can, do a little more hacking, reflash and get root-on-sd setup |
| 08:03.43 | irq | yeah it's rsyncing right now |
| 08:03.53 | johnx | good deal |
| 08:03.55 | johnx | rsync ftw |
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| 08:04.00 | irq | my goal is to just get this fixed once and then do root-on-sd |
| 08:04.12 | irq | yeah exactly, rsync. there's an example of one of the maaaaaaaaaaaany little things i had to do to get this thing to work the way i want |
| 08:04.16 | irq | that i totally don't want to do over again |
| 08:05.06 | irq | do you use the 128mb memory extension thing? (e.g. /media/mmc2/.swap) |
| 08:06.14 | johnx | nah, swapping to flash mem never struck me as that great of an idea...except for cards I don't care about or that have lifetime warranties |
| 08:09.28 | rm_you | I find it humorous that the Maemo Garage asks what Operating System your project is designed to run on, but it doesn't include any of the Internet Tablet OS' in the list >_> |
| 08:10.20 | dpb_ | Does it have linux? |
| 08:10.38 | dpb_ | Because ITOS is linux.. |
| 08:10.44 | rm_you | yeah.... but |
| 08:10.50 | rm_you | that isn't especially helpful |
| 08:11.10 | dpb_ | File a bug for it then? :) |
| 08:11.11 | wumpus | yeah all the ITOS are linux :P |
| 08:11.12 | rm_you | I mean, that's what I ended up putting... |
| 08:11.31 | wumpus | but a choice itos 2007 / 2008 etc would be more useful :p |
| 08:11.49 | rm_you | After I scrolled down a bit, they did actually have a choice for that, so i guess it's fine |
| 08:11.55 | rm_you | it was just really confusing. |
| 08:11.56 | wumpus | ok :) |
| 08:12.16 | irq | has anyone here actually used their n7/8* as a car navigation thingy? |
| 08:12.23 | rm_you | yes |
| 08:12.27 | rm_you | ALL THE TIME |
| 08:13.24 | irq | works pretty well? |
| 08:13.35 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:14.00 | irq | great |
| 08:14.07 | irq | wayfinder is kind of expensive |
| 08:14.11 | irq | but i do get lost all. the. time. |
| 08:14.20 | rm_you | I just use MaemoMapper |
| 08:14.36 | irq | does that do voice prompts and actual driving directions? |
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| 08:15.54 | rm_you | irq: yes |
| 08:15.58 | rm_you | sup Zetx |
| 08:16.02 | Zetx | yo |
| 08:16.10 | johnx | rm_you, btw, search for text2speech on itt and check out my hack :P |
| 08:16.15 | rm_you | :P |
| 08:16.29 | Zetx | It's a sad day when it takes more than 2 seconds to load the images on your modem's setup pages |
| 08:17.11 | irq | mo-dem ? |
| 08:17.20 | irq | is that some kind of a .. drug? |
| 08:17.38 | Zetx | eh. adsl modem? whatever. it's.. oh the box says "gateway" |
| 08:18.04 | rm_you | lol |
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| 08:21.21 | irq | is there any way to query available battery life from command line? |
| 08:21.58 | Zetx | Oh. ... Oh, wow. http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43 |
| 08:22.21 | Zetx | I love it. |
| 08:22.32 | johnx | irq, lookup batterystatus |
| 08:23.03 | irq | Zetx: heh, i read that when it came out originally. i'm pretty convinced it's fake. |
| 08:24.33 | Zetx | Yeah |
| 08:24.41 | johnx | that's a great troll |
| 08:24.43 | johnx | classic |
| 08:26.54 | Zetx | I want to find a post by the guy accusing linux users of being communist with bullet points supporting his statement. |
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| 08:27.22 | irq | we're definitely more socialistic than windows-weenies, you have to admit |
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| 08:28.36 | johnx | yeah, it's interesting how the license of an OS builds a community that feels a certain way about software |
| 08:29.00 | irq | every day i live brings another day i hate money and making money and working |
| 08:29.12 | irq | i'm like -><- that close to becoming some kind of a hermit |
| 08:29.16 | irq | if it wasn't for my family i'd be there already |
| 08:29.23 | johnx | money is fine as long it's a means to an end |
| 08:29.34 | johnx | when it stops being an end in and of itself it becomes a problem |
| 08:29.57 | irq | maybe it's because i keep workign for startups |
| 08:30.17 | irq | where everyone is shitting themselves if their possible future stock value has shrunk a little |
| 08:30.23 | johnx | ah |
| 08:30.24 | irq | OMG it's fixed |
| 08:30.28 | irq | the idle package |
| 08:30.31 | johnx | woo! |
| 08:30.34 | irq | it wasn't acutlly deleted ( ithought i deleted it) |
| 08:30.40 | irq | so i nuked it and now everything's back |
| 08:30.46 | johnx | that rocks |
| 08:30.47 | irq | mr. johnx, i applaud you, thank you very much |
| 08:30.52 | johnx | no prob |
| 08:31.06 | johnx | I think someone else figured out that package was the problem anyways |
| 08:31.20 | irq | the first new-version of thaty package was fine |
| 08:31.24 | irq | the one that added AIM support |
| 08:31.29 | irq | but the second version f'd up |
| 08:31.45 | irq | one more question for you, i deleted one of the wayfinder maps (east coast usa, since i live on west coast).. is there any way to get it back? |
| 08:33.16 | irq | i lied, i have another question, is there anything bad about letting the n810 run permanently in no-watchdog and r&d mode? |
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| 08:36.46 | johnx | sorry, the answers are "no idea" and "no idea" respectively |
| 08:36.50 | irq | well anyway, i'm too frozen to not be in bed anymore, so i will leave you now and read Charles Stross :) thanks again johnx and everyone else, you guys rule 100%. |
| 08:37.03 | irq | ah okay, np. thanks john! have a good night! |
| 08:37.07 | johnx | you too |
| 08:37.08 | johnx | 'night |
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| 09:00.49 | oil_ | what would be a good way to sync maemo mapper maps, routes and pois with different devices? |
| 09:01.34 | oil_ | eg. devices are in home in the night. export the information, collect all to a single place and then put the files back to the devices |
| 09:01.39 | proteous | magic |
| 09:01.46 | proteous | hard to come by though |
| 09:01.56 | proteous | :P |
| 09:01.58 | bilboed | oil_, conduit might be a good starting point... |
| 09:02.08 | bilboed | for synchronization in general that is |
| 09:02.27 | oil_ | bilboed: thanks. I'll check that one out. the transfer itself I would do with rsync |
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| 09:03.37 | johnx | gpsbabel |
| 09:03.50 | johnx | hmm |
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| 09:04.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:04.27 | johnx | it can help you hand things off to maemo mapper in a format it can cope with...but I don't know about the other way |
| 09:06.19 | oil_ | one use case would be in home usage. another to share POIs and routes with people in same region. |
| 09:06.51 | johnx | I can't remember what kind of file poi.db is, maybe sqlite? |
| 09:07.05 | johnx | either way you'll be doing a lot of scripting O_o |
| 09:07.06 | oil_ | I understood that it would be sqlite |
| 09:07.12 | johnx | mornin' jaffa |
| 09:15.03 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 09:15.24 | rm_you | johnx: building my first NORMAL gtk app now :) |
| 09:16.36 | johnx | what's it do? |
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| 09:16.53 | rm_you | Life Tracking for Magic the Gathering games :P |
| 09:17.00 | proteous | ... |
| 09:17.04 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 09:17.07 | rm_you | just two labels and buttons to +/- them |
| 09:17.13 | rm_you | one will be upside-down though |
| 09:17.18 | rm_you | so I have to figure out how to do that |
| 09:17.27 | Khertan | someone know a rogue like game which is traducted in french N |
| 09:17.28 | Khertan | ? |
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| 09:21.16 | inz | rm, "magic the gathering" and "life" in the same sentence, that doesn't sound right |
| 09:21.36 | johnx | life as in hp I think (*hope*) he means |
| 09:21.51 | inz | Ahh, that would make sense |
| 09:27.17 | rm_you | lol yes :P |
| 09:27.46 | rm_you | though relative to maemo stuff, MTG steals only a sliver of my life away :P |
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| 09:30.57 | rm_you | Anyone know EXACTLY what it means for a program to "hibernate"? |
| 09:30.57 | rm_you | I |
| 09:31.21 | rm_you | I'm looking at the hildon API, and it says this: "For instance hildon_program_set_can_hibernate() sets whether or not an application can be set to hibernate by the Hildon task navigator, in situations of low memory." |
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| 09:34.57 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:35.09 | Spakman | Yo! |
| 09:35.13 | inz | rm, it means that the program has saved it's state somewhere and it can be killed |
| 09:36.45 | inz | rm, so when in "hibernation", the program is not running, but can be started to the same state it was before killing it |
| 09:37.42 | inz | rm, for trivial programs, implementation is quite trivial, but if you have, for example, multi-level undo, you'll need to write the whole undo stack somewhere |
| 09:41.44 | inz | rm, there are some state saving functions in libosso, but obviously they can only provide you with the data saving/loading, you need to interpret the data yourself |
| 09:42.53 | rm_you | inz: thanks |
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| 09:51.30 | blahdeblah | Is it my imagination, or is there absolutely no way to find out whether openntpd is functioning correcly on my maemo device? |
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| 09:54.07 | Khertan | blahdeblah > same here |
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| 09:54.58 | blahdeblah | It doesn't seem to have any log files (understandably), and doesn't respond to ntpq -p from another machine. :-( |
| 09:55.36 | blahdeblah | Khertan: I ran it with -d from the command line and it looks like it's working, but, it seems silly that there's no way to query it about its distance from its peers. |
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| 10:59.06 | michele_ | are there documents about UI guidelines? specifically, menu structure |
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| 11:06.45 | michele_ | "At this point the UI guidelines have not yet been published, but we are working to make them available." |
| 11:07.45 | Cptn-N800 | Is there any graphical calculator for maemo? |
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| 11:14.17 | flip^ | yay, the n810 for work has shown up :D |
| 11:15.05 | Cptn-N800 | ¨Work¨ |
| 11:15.12 | Cptn-N800 | ;D |
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| 11:17.11 | flip^ | lol, i wish i could just play with it ... but i suspect i'll get a chance to fiddle to decide if i want to upgrade to it |
| 11:17.50 | michele_ | Cptn-N800: there is free42, which is an HP-42s emulator |
| 11:18.07 | michele_ | Cptn-N800: and I think the Qt4 port project ported another nice one |
| 11:18.16 | michele_ | oh |
| 11:18.19 | michele_ | graphical |
| 11:18.47 | michele_ | flip^: what kind of work? |
| 11:19.31 | michele_ | well... technically the 42s can do graphs... |
| 11:20.56 | Cptn-N800 | Nothing like the casio ones? |
| 11:21.49 | Cptn-N800 | Als, is there any way of opening .doc on m |
| 11:21.52 | Cptn-N800 | Os29 |
| 11:21.56 | Cptn-N800 | Ops |
| 11:22.08 | Cptn-N800 | Wrong button -.- Stupid usb kb layout |
| 11:22.35 | Cptn-N800 | Opening .doc on os2008 |
| 11:25.40 | pyhimys | Cptn-N800: abiword? google docs? |
| 11:26.40 | wnd | antiword should compile easily enough for maemo :-) |
| 11:27.05 | pyhimys | strings? ;) |
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| 11:37.18 | Cptn-N800 | Thx, google docs did the job |
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| 11:58.59 | michele_ | maddler: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=131055#post131055 |
| 11:59.22 | Blafasel | Is it possible to use the USB connection cable as NIC somehow? Using the network of my company laptop? |
| 12:02.01 | nomis | Blafasel: yeah. You need to fiddle a bit though. |
| 12:04.23 | nomis | Blafasel: been a while that I did that but you need to insert the (IIRC) g_ether module. |
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| 12:06.13 | maddler | michele_: reading |
| 12:06.51 | Blafasel | nomis: Thanks |
| 12:07.04 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't that package only available in red-pill mode? |
| 12:07.21 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: nope... |
| 12:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | You sure? |
| 12:07.36 | maddler | you only need to be in RP to install it... |
| 12:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | I've only seen it with red pill enabled over here. |
| 12:08.06 | maddler | I can double check... but pretty sure... |
| 12:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | Enabling red-pill to force-install something is bad practice. <_< |
| 12:08.23 | maddler | yep... I know... :) |
| 12:08.36 | maddler | but... that's how you can find bugs :) |
| 12:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:09.06 | maddler | I know I can broke things that way... :) |
| 12:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | Really, everybody needs to stop telling newbies about red pill. |
| 12:09.17 | maddler | so I won;t complain when it occurs... :) |
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| 12:09.26 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: absolutely true! |
| 12:09.28 | michele_ | you enable red-pill, install the installer and then install rtcomm |
| 12:09.35 | michele_ | but upgrades don't need red-pill |
| 12:09.37 | michele_ | now |
| 12:09.38 | michele_ | lunch |
| 12:09.39 | michele_ | later |
| 12:09.40 | GeneralAntilles | They think it's some sort of magic pill or something. :D |
| 12:10.14 | maddler | lol!Q |
| 12:10.20 | hahlo | GeneralAntilles: what exactly this matrix do? |
| 12:10.51 | maddler | hahlo: brings you to a parallel universe :) |
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| 12:11.21 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: confirmed rtcom will show even in blue pill mode :) |
| 12:11.30 | maddler | btw... time to go eat something here... |
| 12:11.32 | maddler | later dudes... |
| 12:11.33 | hahlo | is it somekind of force for apt? |
| 12:12.05 | hahlo | --force-depencies or somthing? |
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| 12:13.45 | pupnik | hmm commander keen... |
| 12:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | I could go for that, pupnik. :) |
| 12:15.31 | Cptn-N800 | Awww i remember that |
| 12:15.39 | Cptn-N800 | Pogo stick! |
| 12:15.48 | Cptn-N800 | An astronauts best friend |
| 12:17.41 | hahlo | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html hildon-app-mgr is worst apt front i have seen so far |
| 12:17.59 | hahlo | i thought that synaptic is baddest |
| 12:18.21 | wumpus | what's so bad about synaptic :/ |
| 12:19.08 | hahlo | rubber boot has really ruined debian system |
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| 12:22.49 | inz | hahlo, did you ever try the first version? |
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| 13:28.54 | K-Fox | what's this |
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| 13:28.55 | Dar | K-Fox: I think there is some scheduled maintenance of the servers today. |
| 13:28.55 | K-Fox | ok |
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| 13:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Wooo, netsplits! |
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| 13:44.03 | K-Fox | how much is n800 |
| 13:44.16 | t_s_o | ? |
| 13:44.52 | doc|home | K-Fox: depends on where you buy it |
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| 13:47.20 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, i told you not to press that button again |
| 13:48.26 | K-Fox | what button? |
| 13:48.43 | lcuk_2 | the one that reboots the internets |
| 13:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry |
| 13:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's just so big and red. :3 |
| 13:50.56 | inz | big red buttons are the bestest |
| 13:50.56 | maddler | lol :) |
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| 13:54.08 | Tak | hell yeah |
| 13:54.15 | Tak | are we talking about fceu? |
| 13:54.16 | cizarro | or blue buttons with the text "red" in them |
| 13:54.27 | cizarro | like in the universal I ching calculator |
| 13:55.20 | cizarro | you'd need to be an octopus to do that |
| 13:55.55 | Tak | wouldn't it be by tentacle then? |
| 13:56.34 | cizarro | semantics! |
| 13:56.46 | cizarro | fingers are just so unnecessary really |
| 13:57.36 | inz | cizarro, then you don't mind if I cut yours off? |
| 13:57.54 | lcuk_2 | you can but mine off, but replace them with tenticles |
| 13:58.07 | newca12 | [announce] Streamtuner now available for OS2008. Enjoy ;-) http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/streamtuner/ |
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| 13:59.13 | t_s_o | got to love modest, one account works fine, another dies upon mail check |
| 13:59.31 | t_s_o | both are pop3 server |
| 14:00.14 | cizarro | inz, I've already donated mine to better uses! |
| 14:00.25 | cizarro | inz, and no, you cannot have my toes.. |
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| 14:10.20 | dick_turpin | lets all go and give this netsplit a kicking |
| 14:10.27 | dick_turpin | oops |
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| 14:39.06 | Blafasel | Hmm.. There's no kismet for 2008 yet? |
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| 14:58.09 | Blafasel | I admit being not really a debian guy, but is http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/ down somehow? Trying to install samba here, which relies on that repository for samba-common |
| 14:59.21 | Tak | looks up to me |
| 14:59.34 | Tak | contains http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/samba/samba-common_3.0.23c-1osso6_armel.deb |
| 15:00.08 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Right you are. But my tablet refuses to find that package. |
| 15:01.34 | Tak | is it looking for a specific version? |
| 15:01.49 | wwp | same here, smbfs and samba can't be installed because of missing dep samba-common |
| 15:02.47 | Blafasel | Tak: Ah, yes it is. =3.0.22-3 |
| 15:02.58 | Blafasel | Which starts to make sense now |
| 15:03.38 | Blafasel | Thanks for pointing out the obvious stuff I missed ;) |
| 15:05.28 | wwp | so what? the idea is to install manually http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/samba/samba-common_3.0.23c-1osso6_armel.deb, then samba or smbclient from the app manager? |
| 15:06.03 | Tak | that samba-common package won't work with the samba package to which Blafasel is referring |
| 15:06.11 | wwp | hm ok |
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| 15:06.40 | wwp | problem is that from the app manager, available samba and smbclient versions are 3.022-3 |
| 15:07.15 | wwp | I will see if a samba-comomon 3.0.22 is available |
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| 15:13.08 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
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| 15:26.14 | wnd | sorry, you're not. please try again later. |
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| 15:28.32 | trevarthan | GeneralAntilles: ah, I was missing the chinook extras repo. thanks. |
| 15:28.32 | wwp | I try installing some packages from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/ on my n810 (like 'patch_2.5.9-2_armel.deb') but the app manager complains it's incompatible package type.. did I miss something? |
| 15:28.41 | melmoth | New n810 arrived...worked ok, installed one or 2 app, app manager the refused to work, rebooted, now it is stuck at the nokia logo, the blue bar load, and..nothing... |
| 15:28.52 | melmoth | Does it feels like reflashing already ? |
| 15:29.15 | wwp | melmoth: flashing w/ the latest os2008 revision sounds a good idea then |
| 15:29.29 | wwp | (and since you can't boot, you've nothing to loose ;-) |
| 15:31.08 | Spakman | I'm making an OSSO RPC call to the browser method "load_url" to open links. Is there a method to open them in a new window? |
| 15:35.10 | trevarthan | I don't have an intltool binary in my chinook vmware scratchbox. What's up with that? |
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| 15:38.34 | Tak | apt-get install intltool ? |
| 15:38.40 | trevarthan | already installed |
| 15:39.13 | trevarthan | maybe something else is goin gon |
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| 15:46.24 | trevarthan | figured it out. nm. |
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| 15:56.22 | lcuk_2 | python/gtk question: im trying to make black buttons with white text but nothing is jumping out at me. can someone point me in the right direction please |
| 15:57.12 | Tak | generally one doesn't override the gtk theme ... |
| 15:57.31 | ||cw | why would you want such an atrocity.... |
| 15:57.35 | lcuk_2 | yes - hence its not a normal thing |
| 15:57.38 | ||cw | unless it's the theme... |
| 15:58.03 | lcuk_2 | but i dont want to change the entire theme for 1 app. unless of course i can specify a theme for a specific app |
| 15:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, wants to blind everybody. |
| 15:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | -, |
| 15:58.38 | lcuk_2 | opposite, i want to stop people from being blinded |
| 15:58.50 | lcuk_2 | at the moment the entire screen is practically whitewashed |
| 15:59.05 | lcuk_2 | has buttons which are visible from orbit |
| 15:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Don't feed me your drivel, eye killer! :P |
| 15:59.57 | lcuk_2 | WARNING: do not look into the remote control app with your remaining eye |
| 16:00.05 | Tak | let people decide their own themes for gtk stuff |
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| 16:00.35 | lcuk_2 | then i want a nice black theme for this specific app, it looks great for everything else just not this one page |
| 16:01.32 | michele_ | lcuk_2: in fact, you can override the theme for a single application |
| 16:01.43 | lcuk_2 | ahhhh michele |
| 16:01.49 | michele_ | lcuk_2: you just have to specify a custom gtkrc when starting it |
| 16:01.56 | lcuk_2 | so its like skinning and i will be able to give the user a choice |
| 16:02.21 | michele_ | lcuk_2: if you just want to change the color of the buttons, you can do the programmatically too, with GtkStyles |
| 16:02.33 | michele_ | lcuk_2: it is entirely possible |
| 16:02.39 | lcuk_2 | \o/ wooo hooo |
| 16:03.05 | lcuk_2 | right, ill go investigating some more, any keywords besides gtkrc i should be looking out for |
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| 16:03.31 | michele_ | lcuk_2: gtkstyle, gtk resource files |
| 16:04.11 | michele_ | lcuk_2: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkStyle.html |
| 16:04.13 | lcuk_2 | ok thanks, i tried the same in the gtk room but the miserable sods didnt offer anything besides "cant be done" ... |
| 16:04.14 | michele_ | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-Resource-Files.html |
| 16:04.53 | lcuk_2 | great stuff michele_, ill sit back and take a read |
| 16:04.57 | solmumaha | lcuk_2: doesn't modify_bg/fg work on buttons? |
| 16:05.15 | lcuk_2 | when i tried it it wouldnt modify anything |
| 16:05.31 | solmumaha | what about modify_base? |
| 16:05.49 | lcuk_2 | tried it on buttons and labels, when i looked other people were saying it wasnt available in all versions of gtk so thought that i was just out of luck |
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| 16:05.53 | michele_ | lcuk_2: I think that fancy image viewer does that (quiver?) |
| 16:06.24 | solmumaha | it should work with labels at least |
| 16:06.26 | lcuk_2 | ill take a look, thanks |
| 16:06.30 | solmumaha | worked for me |
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| 16:07.09 | michele_ | lcuk_2: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-set-style |
| 16:07.40 | michele_ | or better http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-modify-style |
| 16:09.45 | michele_ | lcuk_2: anyway, I suggest you to give the user the option to use the default theme colours |
| 16:10.48 | lcuk_2 | michele_, i totally agree, the only problem was i have massive finger buttons which look stupid in white |
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| 16:12.11 | lophyte | hey all.. is there a way to force my n800 (os2008) not to open the "select connection" window when I try to access online resources? I'm using usb networking so I don't need the wireless... |
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| 16:16.54 | inz | lophyte, there was some "dummy" networking in the past, dunno if it still works |
| 16:19.26 | lophyte | I haven't found anything on the wiki about it either.. |
| 16:19.47 | lophyte | even the usb networking tutorial just says that once its hooked up, browsing should work |
| 16:19.48 | Spakman | I'm making an OSSO RPC call to the browser method "load_url" to open links. Is there a method to open them in a new window? |
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| 16:21.46 | inz | Spak, fakeroot apt-get install tablet-browser-interface-dev; less /usr/include/tablet-browser-interface.h |
| 16:22.15 | Spakman | inz: awesome, thanks |
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| 16:50.15 | Khertan | lcuk_2>bye |
| 16:50.16 | Khertan | bye |
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| 17:18.37 | dskippy | Has anyone gotten a simple gstreamer tcp connection working on the N800? I am using a few different blog posts I found as examples and I just keep getting "Connection refused" every time. |
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| 17:36.30 | skibur | anybody got their wisdom teeth pulled? |
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| 17:39.01 | Xirex | !list |
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| 17:39.57 | dskippy | skibur, I have. |
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| 17:40.33 | skibur | how long did it take u to heal? |
| 17:41.15 | dskippy | skibur, as far as the pain goes, it's very variable for everyone. For some reason it didn't bother me at all and I ate solid food just a couple hours later. |
| 17:41.35 | dskippy | I know some really tough people who've been laid up for weeks though. |
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| 17:42.01 | dskippy | As far as those little places that can catch your food, that took nearly a month for mine to heal. |
| 17:42.30 | skibur | it doesn't hurt for me, it is just bleeding a little |
| 17:42.38 | dskippy | And I had to get a water syringe (highly recomended) for putting into my gums and blasting out the food. |
| 17:42.51 | dskippy | skibur, the blood should stop in a day. |
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| 17:43.23 | skibur | ? |
| 17:43.36 | dskippy | But ask your doctor for one of those little water blasters. It's very helpful. My first time the doctor gave it to me. The second I had to ask and wouldn't have known about them if not for the first doctor. |
| 17:43.57 | skibur | this my 4th day |
| 17:44.20 | dskippy | Oh really? And still bleading? Huh. I stopped bleeding the next day. I thought that was pretty standard. |
| 17:44.39 | skibur | little blood coming out compared to friday |
| 17:44.49 | jsmith | I bled for about 10 days... and was sick for three weeks |
| 17:45.48 | skibur | :( |
| 17:47.05 | skibur | i hope i stop bleeding by today |
| 17:52.22 | melmoth | Crap, reflashed the n800...installed some apps again... stuck again at the end of the blue progress bar. |
| 17:52.33 | melmoth | How can i know wich apps if any is causing the hang ? |
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| 17:53.35 | melmoth | hmm, that is a n810 actually, but i guess the question would be the same |
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| 17:54.54 | Xamusk | I took my four tooths in a day |
| 17:55.04 | Xamusk | s/tooths/teeth/ |
| 17:55.04 | Tak | Xamusk meant: I took my four teeth in a day |
| 17:55.15 | Xamusk | ;) |
| 17:55.52 | Xamusk | I was faster :Þ |
| 17:58.04 | Xamusk | I only had problems with one of them, which was at 90 degrees in my mouth |
| 17:58.21 | Xamusk | I still remember the bones cracking when the dentist pulled it |
| 17:58.43 | Xamusk | the only one wich needed stitches |
| 18:01.47 | skibur | me too, all four are out as of friday :( |
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| 18:21.22 | melmoth | could it be that i have changed the user password ? |
| 18:21.48 | melmoth | i did that on the n800 too, same os, no reboot problem with that there. |
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| 18:25.27 | lophyte | anyone familiar with setting up SIP on os2008/n800? |
| 18:25.59 | jsmith | lophyte: I've done it... |
| 18:26.15 | lophyte | I'm just wondering if there's a way to get more verbose error messages to help in debugging... |
| 18:26.23 | lophyte | it won't connect, but all it says is "network error" |
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| 18:26.35 | lophyte | which doesn't help me much |
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| 18:26.44 | jsmith | lophyte: No, not really... I always fire up a packet sniffer (on the SIP registrar/proxy/server side) and look at the SIP messages |
| 18:27.24 | lophyte | I'm not even getting registration messages in asterisk |
| 18:27.31 | lophyte | so I'm assuming the packets aren't even getting there |
| 18:27.42 | jsmith | Ah, this is Asterisk -- even better |
| 18:27.44 | lophyte | I'm in for a nightmare anyway, double NAT |
| 18:27.54 | lophyte | really? |
| 18:28.02 | jsmith | Yup... you're talking to the right guy |
| 18:28.04 | lophyte | nice :) |
| 18:28.32 | lophyte | I've got my asterisk server at home behind NAT, and my n800 here behind my work's NAT |
| 18:28.39 | jsmith | If you do a "sip set debug" (for Asterisk 1.4) or "sip debug" (Asterisk 1.2) and you don't even see the REGISTER coming from your n800, then no amount of configuration on the n800 can help you |
| 18:29.08 | jsmith | You've at least got to forward port 5060 udp (not tcp, udp!) on your NAT firewall at home |
| 18:29.21 | lophyte | yeah, I've got that much |
| 18:29.31 | jsmith | Then you should at least be able to register. |
| 18:29.35 | lophyte | 5060 UDP and 10000-10099 UDP, and rtp.conf set for 10000-10099 |
| 18:30.00 | Cptnodegard | asterisk and obelix ^^ |
| 18:30.12 | jsmith | OK, then you should be getting the SIP messaging through |
| 18:30.26 | jsmith | Cptnodegard: No, that's "Asterix", which is a totally different trademark ;-) |
| 18:30.32 | Cptnodegard | i know |
| 18:30.35 | Cptnodegard | im just bored |
| 18:30.39 | Cptnodegard | randomness ftw |
| 18:30.52 | lophyte | nothing showing up in the sip debug though, hm |
| 18:32.08 | jsmith | lophyte: And you're sure the firewall is forwarding to the proper IP? |
| 18:32.33 | lophyte | at home, yes |
| 18:32.47 | jsmith | I've got my n810 talking to my |
| 18:32.51 | jsmith | Asterisk box right now |
| 18:33.01 | lophyte | is there a low-level test I can do, ie. netcat to my asterisk box on port 5060 and send it a SIP command? |
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| 18:33.16 | jsmith | (in fact, it's talking to two different Asterisk boxes... on on the local LAN and one out on the internet) |
| 18:34.22 | jsmith | I still think you'd be better off to fire up Wireshark or tcpdump on the Asterisk box |
| 18:34.29 | lophyte | ah, ok |
| 18:34.34 | jsmith | It appears the traffic isn't making it to that box at *all* |
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| 18:39.16 | lophyte | yeah, it looks like I'm not seeing anything on the asterisk box |
| 18:39.54 | melmoth | Grumble where has gpe calendar for chinook gone ? |
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| 18:41.51 | jsmith | melmoth: There was a post on planet.maemo.org about it the other day |
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| 18:47.48 | lophyte | jsmith, interesting, if I nc to UDP 5060 from here, it shows up in a packet sniff on the server |
| 18:48.04 | jsmith | Oh? |
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| 18:48.20 | lophyte | that is, if I nc from the n800... |
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| 18:48.27 | jsmith | lophyte: Did you mistype the IP address (or domain name) of your server in the configuration on the n800? |
| 18:48.36 | lophyte | no, I've re-entered it and double-checked it |
| 18:49.09 | lophyte | transport is UDP, port is 5060.. |
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| 18:50.37 | lcuk_2 | is udp (noticably) faster than a pre-connected data stream? |
| 18:50.43 | lcuk_2 | tcp^ |
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| 18:55.09 | lophyte | huh, go figure... |
| 18:55.15 | lophyte | works now |
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| 18:55.55 | lophyte | ran a packet sniffer on my n800, looking for udp packets detined for 5060, and realized there was no packets going out... |
| 18:56.04 | lophyte | so I changed the hostname to an IP and now it works.. which is no good since my home IP is dynamic |
| 18:56.28 | lophyte | but at least it works |
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| 19:11.25 | melmoth | on a n810, with maemomapper, how to use the internal gps ? |
| 19:11.44 | melmoth | gpsd does not seems to run, no bluetooth one, and no /dev/gps device neither |
| 19:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth |
| 19:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | No MAC |
| 19:12.29 | melmoth | ahh, thats works better. |
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| 19:12.32 | melmoth | Thanks general ! |
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| 19:15.02 | AlexJTanner | I have a couple of questions |
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| 19:16.17 | AlexJTanner | where is a list of hardware maemo works on |
| 19:16.29 | AlexJTanner | does all maemo apps work on all hardware |
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| 19:16.41 | AlexJTanner | and can I synch tomboy with my tomboy notes on my ubuntu PC |
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| 19:18.18 | pupnik | AlexJTanner: 1) afaik only Nokia 770, N800 and N810 |
| 19:18.43 | AlexJTanner | ok and tomboy |
| 19:18.51 | pupnik | 2) Maemo is the development platform, "ITOS" is the internet tablet OS |
| 19:19.12 | pupnik | 3) OS changes between 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 break some compatibility |
| 19:19.45 | pupnik | tomboy is what? |
| 19:19.53 | AlexJTanner | the note taking application |
| 19:20.10 | AlexJTanner | http://code.google.com/p/tomboy-maemo/ |
| 19:20.57 | megabyte405 | tomboy requires mono |
| 19:21.01 | megabyte405 | so tomboy does not run |
| 19:21.15 | megabyte405 | but you can sync tomboy to stuff like BackpackIt using Conduit, and that's a web app |
| 19:21.42 | AlexJTanner | ok... |
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| 19:21.57 | AlexJTanner | so the notes would be stored on my PC and the nokia would access them |
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| 19:22.28 | AlexJTanner | is there a reason mono won't work |
| 19:23.30 | elb | it would require a porting effort which has not been undertaken |
| 19:23.56 | Tak | mono was ported for some version of ITOS - not sure what the current state is |
| 19:24.05 | elb | I wouldn't be surprised to find out that an enterprising soul could get a slow version of mono up and running |
| 19:24.08 | elb | without JIT etc. |
| 19:24.45 | elb | it's also quite possibly enormous, at least for the libraries required to get a GUI app like tomboy fired up |
| 19:24.58 | Tak | meh, not any worse than python |
| 19:25.16 | elb | do you know that, or are you speculating? |
| 19:25.33 | elb | the "standard" libraries for mono encompass a *lot* of functionality, much like Java |
| 19:25.57 | elb | (I don't know, I'm truly asking) |
| 19:27.34 | elb | scripting languages typically have very small libraries (byte-wise), in comparison to compiled languages, due to both the terseness of the language itself and the relative compactness of source code representation |
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| 19:29.10 | Tak | python is not a typical scripting language in that respect |
| 19:29.31 | elb | oh? |
| 19:29.36 | elb | it certainly seems relatively terse, to me |
| 19:29.50 | elb | though I confess that I don't know a lot of python, I skipped from perl to ruby, missing python altogether |
| 19:30.14 | Tak | I seem to recall reading a comparison that analyzed the respective sizes and performances of mono, java, and python, the conclusion of which was that none of them were significantly different in either respect |
| 19:30.49 | elb | now that surprises me |
| 19:30.52 | Tak | although I could be wrong, and those memories were planted in my brain by alien clown cyborgs |
| 19:31.02 | elb | mono and java should have a performance edge, at least in the commercial implementations which ahve good JITs |
| 19:31.25 | elb | or rather, .NET and java |
| 19:31.32 | elb | I don't know how mono itself compares, maybe it is similar |
| 19:32.15 | czr | python is faster for some things, slower for others. just like anything else |
| 19:32.20 | czr | and JITting is not a panacea |
| 19:32.30 | czr | and you can JIT python as well, or stay somewhere in between |
| 19:32.54 | czr | psyco |
| 19:33.07 | czr | close enough though. but there are other things you can do as well |
| 19:33.23 | Tak | yeah, FoF uses cx_freeze iirc |
| 19:33.36 | czr | the python model doesn't really allow the same kind of JITting as CLR/Java. |
| 19:33.38 | elb | JIT is certainly not a panacea |
| 19:33.47 | elb | but the commercial JITs really *are* pretty good |
| 19:33.48 | czr | but it allows other kinds of optimizations. |
| 19:33.56 | elb | I understand psyco is also quite good |
| 19:33.58 | czr | elb, except for their memory foorprint |
| 19:34.12 | czr | larger memory foorprint = more cache misses. |
| 19:34.14 | elb | sure |
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| 19:34.51 | czr | I find that using a combination of python and C is powerful enough (as powerful as needs to be) |
| 19:35.27 | czr | and the step from C into asm isn't all that long, if necessary. |
| 19:37.14 | elb | yes, Ousterhout got that right |
| 19:37.29 | elb | C + scripting is a fantastic compromise |
| 19:37.34 | elb | if compromise is even the right word |
| 19:37.36 | pupnik | Tak have you tried -fprofile-arcs or -fprofile-generate ? |
| 19:37.49 | Tak | with gcc? no. |
| 19:37.56 | czr | pupnik, I've found them lacking |
| 19:38.19 | pupnik | some gp2x dude claimed he got 15% boost on an emu |
| 19:38.22 | Tak | although I'm really warming to vala |
| 19:38.24 | czr | elb, python is just more expressive and very good at getting overall structure and algos right. C is good for speed and data size when it matters. |
| 19:38.31 | pupnik | that sounds a bit optimistic but.. |
| 19:38.44 | czr | I've had about +-2% speedup/downs with my stuff. |
| 19:38.59 | czr | so far have to find anything where it would be a clear win |
| 19:39.37 | pupnik | czr, which should i use to auto-optimize? -lfprofile-generate or -fprofile-arcs |
| 19:39.38 | fysa | I wrote/supported a wxpython-based application for a few years -- compiling to self-contained .EXE using PyInstaller. The distributable was roughly 4-5MB for a rather light application (1500 lines) |
| 19:39.47 | fysa | not horrible, mind you. |
| 19:39.47 | czr | pupnik, both |
| 19:40.00 | czr | pupnik, profile-arcs has also other uses outside profiling. |
| 19:40.04 | czr | hence you need both. |
| 19:40.12 | fysa | but not 'lite' |
| 19:40.13 | czr | for example gcov needs profile-arcs |
| 19:40.28 | pupnik | czr can i do those in the sb-armel and generate the profiling logs on the actual device? |
| 19:40.32 | pupnik | some sources say x86 only |
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| 19:40.48 | fysa | I believe Lua has a very light interpreter. |
| 19:40.52 | GNUtoN810 | Hi |
| 19:40.52 | czr | pupnik, hmm. I've only used x86 and x86-64, can't really say. although I imagine it should work |
| 19:40.58 | pupnik | i managedt to get some logs last year on the device, but i forgot all of it |
| 19:41.04 | keesj | Lua is hot |
| 19:41.05 | pupnik | ok i'll write up some notes if i get it going |
| 19:41.07 | czr | pupnik, keep diaries :-) |
| 19:41.19 | czr | pupnik, if you can't recall, do ask, I'll dig around my diaries |
| 19:42.10 | pupnik | ok thanks :) |
| 19:42.34 | lcuk_2 | make sure you keep your diaries in the fridge or it will curdle |
| 19:42.36 | pupnik | dosbox needs every bit of speed it can get |
| 19:42.45 | czr | I have close to zero optimization experience on arm (with gcc), so can't really help much. |
| 19:43.07 | czr | pupnik, have you profiled it? |
| 19:43.38 | pupnik | nope, i think i need to flash the oprofile kernel (and pray) |
| 19:43.50 | czr | there are other profiling tools as well |
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| 19:44.09 | czr | but yeah, I guess it's slightly difficult on the device given the resources available |
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| 19:46.18 | gforce | i wish the available Java stack (for n8x0) wasn't such a hodgepodge |
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| 19:49.31 | GNUtoN810 | Hi |
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| 19:49.58 | lcuk_2 | hi gnu |
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| 19:50.20 | GNUtoN810 | Have anyone crosscompiled boost for maemo? |
| 19:50.36 | inz | Does someone crosscompile for maemo? |
| 19:50.47 | GNUtoN810 | Hey lcuk_2 |
| 19:50.47 | inz | Err, indeed they do |
| 19:50.49 | inz | nevermind ;) |
| 19:52.06 | pupnik | libboost inz? i have one around from gregale builds |
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| 19:52.47 | lcuk_2 | ive seen some boost modules in the app manager |
| 19:53.06 | czr | inz :-) |
| 19:53.18 | lcuk_2 | duno which pill i was taking but i know i saw something (there was a typo in its description) |
| 19:54.12 | GNUtoN810 | lcuk_2: are you talking about gtmm booster? |
| 19:54.28 | lcuk_2 | possibly |
| 19:54.45 | GNUtoN810 | I need lib boost 'boost.org' |
| 19:54.47 | lcuk_2 | as i said i know i saw one or another in there - i only remember it because of the typo |
| 19:55.53 | gforce | I'm readying to DL a VMWare appliance (for scratchbox) Anyone care to advise on which is better: |
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| 19:56.31 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.32 | pupnik | 27 |
| 19:56.48 | gforce | a) loading Ubuntu entirely, or b) using an appliance (Would be in VMWare Fusion either way, that is) |
| 19:56.50 | pupnik | gforce, get latest from idnt |
| 19:57.03 | lcuk_2 | GNUtoN810, yer, it was the: gtkmm-booster "Boster modules for gtkmm" |
| 19:57.16 | gforce | where is that again pupnik? thx |
| 19:57.16 | inz | czr, got confused |
| 19:57.21 | inz | czr, too tired, I guess |
| 19:57.26 | czr | inz, I blame it on the clock |
| 19:57.26 | GNUtoN810 | Ok, thank you. :) |
| 19:57.27 | czr | indeed. |
| 19:58.09 | pupnik | !google maemo+vmware+appliance |
| 19:58.46 | GNUtoN810 | Ah , todday i ve tryed xmame on my n810...but seems too slow.. |
| 19:58.46 | dskippy | Does anyone know how to setup an n800 for remote ssh? I had it working and then rebooted it an now it doesn't work. I don't know what I might have done differently. I have flashed with R&D mode. I can ssh locally on the device. But I get "no route to host" when I ssh from my laptop |
| 19:58.47 | gforce | yep i saw two , just didn't recognize "idnt" |
| 20:00.06 | GNUtoN810 | Ds |
| 20:00.07 | lcuk_2 | dskippy, keep it simple, i assume you can ping the n8x0 from your laptop |
| 20:00.47 | dskippy | lcuk_2, actually, no I can't. It's not responding to ping. But I can ssh from the n800 to my laptop so it's on the network just fine. |
| 20:00.53 | pupnik | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ gforce i think that's the one you want |
| 20:01.04 | pupnik | (using it here) |
| 20:01.18 | lcuk_2 | ^^^ thats the one i have as well, not that i can use it so far :S |
| 20:01.28 | gforce | thanks comrades |
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| 20:01.52 | lcuk_2 | dskippy, are you running wireless or usb net? |
| 20:02.13 | dskippy | wireless |
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| 20:03.26 | lcuk_2 | sounds like a configuration problem with your router maybe? |
| 20:04.50 | dskippy | lcuk_2, it could be. I guess I'm doing everything right on the n800. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything to obviously wrong. |
| 20:04.54 | dskippy | Thanks for helping. |
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| 20:05.37 | lcuk_2 | theres not a great deal you can do wrong with the machine, just keep things simple and test in baby steps |
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| 20:53.36 | lophyte | jsmith, got time for one more quick question, if you're still around? |
| 20:54.08 | Tama^2 | Hello |
| 20:55.24 | jsmith | lophyte: Yeah, I"m here |
| 20:55.58 | lophyte | jsmith, quick question about asterisk, I've got my n800 and my connection to FWD set to 'canreinvite=no' and yet asterisk insists on attempting a native bridge... |
| 20:56.20 | jsmith | A native bridge isn't the same as a re-invite |
| 20:56.26 | lophyte | ah, I thought that's what it was |
| 20:57.33 | lophyte | I'll look into native bridges then... |
| 20:58.12 | Tama^2 | Q: I followed the instruction to boot from mmc. It seems to get almost to the end of the boot process (boot slash with progress bar up to the end) and then reboots. Is it a known problem? |
| 20:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | You're in a reboot loop |
| 20:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | could be a lot of explanations for that. |
| 21:01.27 | Tama^2 | well it goes back to the boot menu and from there if I select 'flash' all is good |
| 21:02.15 | Tama^2 | IMHO it looks like something on the root fs I cloned is broken, but of course whtever it is, is fine when booting from flash |
| 21:02.15 | jsmith | lophyte: Native bridge simply means it's a SIP-to-SIP bridge |
| 21:02.31 | lophyte | jsmith, ah, okay, so that's probably not the issue then |
| 21:06.02 | Tama^2 | the other question is: when the bootmenu installed can one invoke the "usb update mode"? |
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| 21:22.35 | jackster | do the N800 and N810 have a different amount of RAM from each other? |
| 21:23.36 | darkip | I think it's the same in each 128mb |
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| 21:24.10 | GeneralAntilles | No, no difference in RAM. |
| 21:24.15 | jackster | kick ass |
| 21:24.32 | jackster | ah I see where I went wrong, the top post on planet.maemo.org seems to be talking about storage space |
| 21:24.48 | jackster | I always thought of memory being RAM |
| 21:24.49 | pupnik | czr: do you get a .gcda file after building with -fprofile-generate? |
| 21:25.21 | czr | pupnik, no, you get it after running the program that has been built with profile-generate and profile-arcs |
| 21:25.34 | czr | that's the file that holds the run-time collected profiling data |
| 21:25.35 | pupnik | ok maybe i need profile-arcs also |
| 21:25.38 | czr | which is used by profile-use |
| 21:25.39 | pupnik | yeah |
| 21:25.52 | pupnik | sorry i meant after building and running |
| 21:25.58 | czr | ah, yes. |
| 21:26.10 | czr | man gcc , search for 'profile-use' |
| 21:26.15 | czr | it tells you what you need |
| 21:26.38 | czr | if you run your program multiple times, all the runs' data will be combined in the .gcda files |
| 21:26.52 | czr | so if you need different datas for example, it's pretty simple. |
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| 21:29.05 | pupnik | ahh You must use -fprofile-generate both when compiling and when linking your program. |
| 21:29.30 | pupnik | so i need to add -fprofile-generate to my LDFLAGS? |
| 21:30.10 | czr | yes |
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| 21:30.26 | czr | or into PROF_LDFLAGS which you use in the profiling target |
| 21:30.29 | czr | ymmv obviously. |
| 21:30.39 | czr | your final build must not use profile-generate. |
| 21:30.39 | pupnik | thx |
| 21:30.42 | pupnik | yes |
| 21:30.51 | czr | PROF_LDFLAGS was just a suggestion for the name |
| 21:31.14 | czr | btw, you might also be interested in gcov, since you're playing with gcda |
| 21:31.32 | czr | it's a code coverage information collecting/reporting tool |
| 21:31.44 | czr | comes with recent gccs |
| 21:31.56 | czr | although it's slightly sneaky and not very well documented. |
| 21:32.00 | pupnik | ok, another app complained aboug missing __gcov when i enabled -fprofile-generate |
| 21:32.17 | pupnik | so i tried adding -lgcov to the linking step but that didn't work for some reason |
| 21:32.34 | pupnik | but dosbox isn't complaining about that |
| 21:34.16 | czr | pupnik, hmm. just profile-generate shouldn't need gcov. weird. |
| 21:34.21 | pupnik | also czr, i saw instruction on a blog to use -O0 with -fprofile-generate, do you know if that is correct? |
| 21:34.23 | czr | maybe you had additional flags? |
| 21:34.53 | czr | hmm. not sure about the -O0. not a bad idea probably |
| 21:34.54 | pupnik | don't think so but it was just a test case, not the interesting program |
| 21:34.59 | czr | but I haven't tested the difference. |
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| 21:35.13 | pupnik | ok ty |
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| 21:35.56 | pupnik | oops |
| 21:35.59 | thp_ | Is there anyone that can help with optimizing a SDL game for speed on a N800? |
| 21:36.02 | pupnik | paste not working from vmware |
| 21:36.14 | Tak | thp_: did you have a specific question? |
| 21:36.47 | thp_ | Tak: well, it works well and everything, but it is just a bit too slow/choppy |
| 21:37.07 | thp_ | i wonder if i can use some special flags (HWSURFACE, etc..) that will make the game faster |
| 21:37.16 | Tak | is this an app you wrote, or something you've ported? |
| 21:37.43 | thp_ | it's a game i initially wrote for the desktop and am now porting to maemo |
| 21:37.46 | thp_ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=239256362519105104&hl=de |
| 21:38.22 | thp_ | that's roughly how it looks now. everything works but it could be a bit faster. i already updated the code to use SDL_UpdateRect instead of SDL_Flip and double buffering |
| 21:38.27 | pupnik | cool |
| 21:38.39 | Tak | yeah, updaterect is a bit better |
| 21:38.56 | Tak | iirc there's no magic flag to accelerate things |
| 21:39.21 | pupnik | you're not updaterecting the whole screen are you? |
| 21:39.27 | Tak | have you tried operating in yuv colorspace? |
| 21:39.57 | thp_ | i'm not updaterecting the whole screen, but i could optimize the code a bit to detect overlapping rects that i queued for updating |
| 21:40.05 | thp_ | no, how do i go about operating in yuv colorspace? |
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| 21:41.18 | pupnik | are you storing your bitmaps as 32bit rgba and letting sdl convert to 16 bit? |
| 21:41.46 | Tak | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/31714?do=post_view_threaded |
| 21:42.08 | thp_ | i'm using SDL_DisplayFormatAlpha() to convert the bitmaps to the native display format (or at least that's what i believe libsdl does when i call displayformatalpha) |
| 21:43.09 | darkip | One small question, is there a free equivalent of wayfinder other than maemo mapper which offers offline navigation? |
| 21:43.13 | thp_ | and the bpp i set by first querying using SDL_GetVideoInfo |
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| 21:53.36 | pupnik | thp_: if you want to see something small, simple and fast, check out http://pupnik.dea/liens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz |
| 21:53.46 | pupnik | sorry |
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| 21:55.06 | thp_ | thanks, i'll ahve a look |
| 21:55.42 | michele_ | can I just copy ttfs in .fonts to install them? |
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| 22:04.11 | pupnik | michele_: did it work? |
| 22:05.19 | michele_ | pupnik, don't know yet, I can't find xterm-enhanced |
| 22:06.04 | pupnik | os2007 or os2008? did you search on gronmeyer? |
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| 22:11.59 | lcuk_2 | i just tried to install comic.ttf (yes i know its crap - thats the point i needed to see a difference) and ran "fc-cache -f" to refresh cache. its listed as an available font in fbreader but it isnt working... just rebooting now |
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| 22:14.41 | lcuk_2 | arghhhh my eyes |
| 22:14.48 | lcuk_2 | after a reboot it works (unfortunately) |
| 22:15.19 | michele_ | I want profont in xterm |
| 22:15.38 | lcuk_2 | it was just a check on the ttf instructions i spotted |
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| 22:21.28 | michele_ | ohh |
| 22:21.33 | michele_ | great |
| 22:21.43 | michele_ | in xchat it works |
| 22:21.52 | michele_ | without restarting |
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| 22:40.47 | Tama^2 | : I followed the instruction to boot from mmc. It seems to get almost to the end of the boot process (boot slash with progress bar up to the end) and then reboots. Is it a known problem? |
| 22:40.53 | Tama^2 | >.> |
| 22:41.04 | Tama^2 | hoping some good soul may be listening |
| 22:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | Try again, Tama^2. |
| 22:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | You did something wrong. |
| 22:42.47 | Tama^2 | from the wiki: 1 The first time I tried this on my N800 it led to continuous reboots 30-90 seconds after booting. Trying it a second time on a clean install (directly after flashing and erasing everything already on the device) worked fine. |
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| 22:43.11 | Tama^2 | I could try again but I do not want to do a fresh install AGAIN... |
| 22:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, you probably shouldn't have started in the first place, then. :P |
| 22:43.44 | Tama^2 | the reason must be some kind of reference to the root device |
| 22:43.54 | Tama^2 | >.<; |
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| 22:47.35 | michele_ | unf... nobody knows how to change the font in osso-xterm? |
| 22:52.19 | maddler | michele_: tried from settings? |
| 22:52.41 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I knew, michele_. |
| 22:52.45 | maddler | menu -> tools -> settings |
| 22:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | Monaco 9 FTW. :D |
| 22:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | maddler, it's only a few presets. |
| 22:53.09 | michele_ | yes, but I have only the fixed choiches there... |
| 22:53.30 | maddler | copy you new fonts in /home/user/.fonts :) |
| 22:53.32 | pupnik | booo me. not getting any profile info |
| 22:53.45 | maddler | you->your |
| 22:53.47 | michele_ | I did |
| 22:53.52 | maddler | it was working on os2007 |
| 22:53.53 | j0tt | michele_: normal terminals support only fixed fonts ... |
| 22:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | maddler, OS2007 was a different xterm. :P |
| 22:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | An arguably less crappy xterm. |
| 22:54.10 | michele_ | xchat sees them, the terminal not |
| 22:54.20 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: I know... |
| 22:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | j0tt, not width. |
| 22:54.31 | GeneralAntilles | Selection, j0tt. |
| 22:54.38 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: and I have to confess I prefer the 2007 unpatched one |
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| 22:54.57 | j0tt | i have custom fonts in the osso-xterm settings .. |
| 22:54.59 | michele_ | so no way general? |
| 22:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | The OS2007 maemo hacker's version with the sidebar has been the best so far. |
| 22:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there's a way, michele_, I just don't know it. |
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| 22:55.38 | michele_ | maybe in gconf... |
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| 23:03.15 | michele_ | yay :) |
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| 23:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Magic solution? |
| 23:03.39 | maddler | magic wand? :D |
| 23:03.59 | michele_ | gconftool --set /apps/osso/xterm/font_name --type string ProFontWindows |
| 23:04.46 | maddler | hmmm... I've just tried the .fonts stuff |
| 23:04.52 | maddler | and it actually worked :) |
| 23:05.18 | maddler | since it is not xterm related byt window manager |
| 23:05.54 | michele_ | it's fontconfig |
| 23:05.58 | lcuk_2 | eh? osso-xterm font is just tools/settings |
| 23:06.22 | lcuk_2 | (os2008 though) |
| 23:06.30 | maddler | yup... but I mean... xterm only get available fonts from the system... |
| 23:06.52 | maddler | so once they are available its using them... |
| 23:07.41 | lcuk_2 | michele_, i did the following: copied ttf into system. ran "fc-cache -f" to refresh cache. fonts were then listed but not usable. i rebooted and it works everywhere |
| 23:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.03 | maddler | comic sans is the worst font I've ever seen! :D |
| 23:09.10 | lcuk_2 | yes sorry thats where i put it. i had to create the folder though |
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| 23:09.18 | maddler | lcuk_2: true |
| 23:09.51 | lcuk_2 | i followed the instructions for installing foreign language support fonts ( i used the hebrew instructions ... http://maemo.org/community/wiki/hebrew/ ) |
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| 23:10.42 | michele_ | well... it works just like gnome, and xchat can see the new font, the terminal can't |
| 23:10.56 | lcuk_2 | have you rebooted? |
| 23:11.07 | michele_ | I guess I should just try a reboot |
| 23:11.19 | michele_ | but it shouldn't be needed |
| 23:11.20 | lcuk_2 | lol - linux gets more and more like windows everyday |
| 23:11.36 | michele_ | no :) |
| 23:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, joy . . . reboot loop. |
| 23:11.50 | lcuk_2 | they didnt work for me in fbreader until after i rebooted .. |
| 23:11.58 | michele_ | I'm sure it can be done withou |
| 23:12.15 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, install the recent rtcomm stuff? |
| 23:12.17 | michele_ | it's rtcomm General |
| 23:12.21 | lcuk_2 | prob can,. but is it worth a whole diagnostic session to work out when it should just work? |
| 23:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it booted fine just after I installed it. <_< |
| 23:12.30 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: installed rtcom? :) |
| 23:12.47 | maddler | eh |
| 23:12.53 | johnx | well then why did you break it? |
| 23:13.01 | maddler | hehe |
| 23:13.30 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: I am waiting for the next update before trying to install it again :) |
| 23:13.39 | maddler | 2.1-15 looks broken... somehow... |
| 23:14.54 | johnx | I say this to everyone...but you should really just boot from SD |
| 23:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, too much damn work. |
| 23:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | I've had 2 reboot loops. |
| 23:15.19 | maddler | omap-wp caused to reboot as well... :( |
| 23:15.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hardly worth the time investment for that. |
| 23:15.53 | maddler | no-omap-wd |
| 23:15.55 | johnx | one rsync, one quick initfs flash, one config file edit, and you're done |
| 23:16.00 | maddler | I had to disable that... |
| 23:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, to a FAT32? :P |
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| 23:16.37 | johnx | why don't you run your cards as Ext3? |
| 23:17.00 | johnx | the tablet seems to see them fine in 2008OS without extra effort |
| 23:17.19 | michele_ | ok now that I have profont in xterm I can go to bed |
| 23:17.22 | michele_ | 'nite |
| 23:17.26 | Tama^2 | johnx: yes .. "one quick..." IF it works :P |
| 23:17.39 | Tama^2 | ;_; |
| 23:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | Because I put my cards in a lot of things without Ext3 support. |
| 23:17.42 | johnx | 'night michele_ |
| 23:18.03 | johnx | windows and mac can support them |
| 23:18.08 | johnx | I guess cameras can be a problem |
| 23:18.19 | johnx | Tama^2, did it not work for you? |
| 23:18.39 | johnx | even if it fails all you have to do is *not turn the device off* and try again |
| 23:19.07 | chrisak | I had suuccessfully installed rtcomm a week or 2 ago, but am confused about where I should be watching re news of updates? |
| 23:19.20 | Tama^2 | it boots from the mmc, gets up to the boot splash, progress bar is 100 and then gets stuck there |
| 23:19.30 | Tama^2 | until the watchdog forces a reboot |
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| 23:20.03 | johnx | hmm, how did you copy the files to the card? rsync or tar? |
| 23:20.17 | Tama^2 | chrisak: my update came up in the app manager |
| 23:20.23 | Tama^2 | johnx: tar |
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| 23:20.53 | johnx | you installed the gnu version of tar right? or did you use the builtin busybox tar? |
| 23:21.08 | Tama^2 | not the builtin |
| 23:21.28 | Tama^2 | I read the wiki and it mentioned it being an x86 elf bin... |
| 23:22.01 | johnx | eh? |
| 23:22.47 | Tama^2 | somewhere on the wiki it says not to use the builtin tar or something like taht |
| 23:22.55 | johnx | right |
| 23:23.01 | johnx | but what's this about x86 elf bin? |
| 23:23.03 | chrisak | Tama: thank you, I just realized I had the req. respositories disabled. Feeling foolish. |
| 23:23.44 | Tama^2 | johnx: I must have mixed up two different pieces of info there, never mind :) |
| 23:24.13 | johnx | that's ok. I just wanted to check that I wasn't just being dumb |
| 23:24.55 | pupnik | I have not been able to detect a simultaneous dpad press and keyboard press on the N810. Is this a hardware issue or a SDL problem? |
| 23:26.26 | j0tt | at least fn+dpad seem to work in general. |
| 23:27.49 | Tama^2 | johnx: I am trying with rsync now |
| 23:27.52 | pupnik | how do you detect that j0tt ? |
| 23:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, back up. |
| 23:28.17 | j0tt | pupnik: just via xkbd settings (bound to pgup/down and esc) |
| 23:28.43 | johnx | Tama^2, I just used rsync, and it seems to work fine here |
| 23:29.10 | Tama^2 | well I will report back in 5 minutes or so :P |
| 23:29.15 | johnx | I missed getting the /dev directory the first time though |
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| 23:29.30 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: with watchdog/apt-get --purge rtcom? |
| 23:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 23:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | well, apt-get remove rtcomm* |
| 23:30.08 | maddler | yup... |
| 23:30.21 | maddler | did you disabled both WDs? |
| 23:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know how to turn off anti-aliasing in xterm? |
| 23:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Started with omap, didn't work |
| 23:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | then added lifeguard |
| 23:30.39 | maddler | ok... |
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| 23:31.20 | maddler | I don't think you can disable aa |
| 23:31.22 | Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: you are a big fan of meamo-mapper right? How do you get POI to download? it seems the stock configuration does not work |
| 23:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | That sucks |
| 23:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | aa with a fixed-width looks stupid. |
| 23:31.46 | jott | GeneralAntilles: use a bitmap font |
| 23:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, just download them? Not sure. |
| 23:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | jott, know of a ttf to bitmap converter? :D |
| 23:32.24 | maddler | jott: I was just going to test it :D |
| 23:32.31 | maddler | I use terminus on my laptop :D |
| 23:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | If it's not Monaco 9, it's not worth it to me. :P |
| 23:32.54 | jott | GeneralAntilles: hm i wrote one but not for bdf :) |
| 23:33.21 | jott | just use terminus and you will be satisfied ;) |
| 23:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely. |
| 23:34.15 | jott | small ttf rendered with 1-bit looks crap in most cases |
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| 23:37.00 | maddler | rebooting... |
| 23:37.15 | maddler | will see if terminus is working :) |
| 23:38.18 | AlphaLux | has anyone had any luck adding a pipe (|) character to the toolbar shortcut in osso-xterm? |
| 23:38.23 | maddler | yeah! |
| 23:38.41 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: terminus looks great! :D |
| 23:38.52 | aspiers | AlphaLux: yeah I did |
| 23:38.55 | maddler | scp ter-*8859-1.* 10.10.200.118:~/.fonts/ |
| 23:38.57 | maddler | :D |
| 23:39.33 | aspiers | AlphaLux: use the X11 keysym 'bar' |
| 23:39.44 | jott | yeah, terminus is so nice on a high dpi display :) |
| 23:40.35 | maddler | jott: indeed... I used to use Lucida Typewriter but Terminus looks better IMHO |
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| 23:42.15 | NeoStrider_ | hello folks! |
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| 23:45.15 | maddler | heya |
| 23:45.21 | lcuk | guys, ive been looking to change my default start path for xterm (os2008) but am getting lost. is there a way to do it? |
| 23:45.35 | AlphaLux | .profile? |
| 23:45.41 | AlphaLux | might be the simplest way |
| 23:45.43 | lcuk | .dontknow |
| 23:45.48 | AlphaLux | haha |
| 23:46.02 | AlphaLux | let me try it |
| 23:46.21 | lcuk | thx |
| 23:46.29 | NeoStrider_ | hey guys, besides the kbd and the internal storage, is there any big diference between n800 and n810? |
| 23:47.04 | lcuk | a tiny gps built in |
| 23:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | Transflective screen. |
| 23:47.45 | maddler | and the price as well :) |
| 23:47.53 | lcuk | cool factor |
| 23:48.24 | lcuk | single direction camera facing user |
| 23:48.43 | lcuk | instead of rotatable on 800 |
| 23:49.15 | maddler | yes... size is much better... it makes the device feel more comfortable in your hands... |
| 23:49.22 | lcuk | auto brightness adjustment |
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| 23:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | ^ which is more of a liability. |
| 23:49.40 | maddler | and also about the keyboard... I only realized how useful it is after a few days of intensive use |
| 23:49.54 | maddler | I'm using n810 a lot more than n800 |
| 23:50.27 | lcuk | ive even stopped asking for a tab key now i can dev from big pc and just got on with using it |
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| 23:51.03 | maddler | I miss a ' key :) |
| 23:51.25 | maddler | but can't find the right key to replace :) |
| 23:51.32 | maddler | lcuk: and screen? ;) |
| 23:51.34 | lcuk | ' is a direct key on here |
| 23:51.45 | maddler | here? |
| 23:51.50 | maddler | :) |
| 23:51.56 | AlphaLux | after hacking the psp forever, and trying to get it to do what I want, the internet tablet is awesome |
| 23:52.01 | lcuk | no, the screen on 810 is a pleasure to use |
| 23:52.15 | maddler | no... I mean Screen :) |
| 23:52.16 | maddler | not the LCD :) |
| 23:53.01 | lcuk | well then i havent been given the pleasure, what is screen |
| 23:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | <_> |
| 23:53.30 | AlphaLux | it's great, allows you to have multiple terminals in one terminal...kind of hard to explain |
| 23:53.39 | maddler | AlphaLux: right |
| 23:53.40 | AlphaLux | think of tabs in firefox |
| 23:53.49 | maddler | but in txt mode :) |
| 23:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen |
| 23:53.51 | AlphaLux | but for shells |
| 23:54.08 | maddler | it changed the way I connect remotely :) |
| 23:54.09 | AlphaLux | and you can logout and keep them all running, great for servers and remote stuff |
| 23:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 23:54.28 | lcuk | i am ahppy with 1 for now, still need training wheels :) |
| 23:54.30 | maddler | I only ssh to my "proxy" and then use screen to jump to other systems :) |
| 23:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | Detatching and re-attaching is great. |
| 23:54.43 | jott | screen is great! pimp your .screenrc now ;) |
| 23:54.44 | AlphaLux | definitely |
| 23:54.48 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: as well as sharing :) |
| 23:54.58 | AlphaLux | you can share? |
| 23:55.01 | AlphaLux | didn't know that |
| 23:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | screen is probably one of the most under-utilized pieces of software on the planet. |
| 23:55.45 | AlphaLux | agreed |
| 23:56.00 | NeoStrider_ | great to know about all that stuff ,folks |
| 23:56.05 | AlphaLux | just because people don't know about it I think |
| 23:56.06 | NeoStrider_ | thank you very much |
| 23:56.13 | NeoStrider_ | but the N800 seems perfect to mee |
| 23:56.14 | NeoStrider_ | me |
| 23:56.20 | NeoStrider_ | s/mee/me |
| 23:56.22 | pupnik | N810 can be dangerous. |
| 23:56.31 | jott | heh yeah for example, i display free disk space and network traffic in the screen statusline ;) |
| 23:56.34 | lcuk | alpha, any luck with default path or has all this fapping about maemo took you offtrack |
| 23:56.34 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: yup... until you don't discover it! and then you cannot survive w/o it! |
| 23:56.38 | NeoStrider_ | pupnik: great to see you! |
| 23:56.42 | pupnik | I find myself editing scripts/configs and doing linuxy command-line stuff while walking around |
| 23:56.46 | pupnik | welcomeback NeoStrider_ :) |
| 23:56.49 | maddler | jott: as well as CPU |
| 23:56.57 | AlphaLux | lcuk, I sent you like 3 msgs you didn't get them I suppose? |
| 23:56.57 | jott | yeah.. sure cpu too ;) |
| 23:57.00 | aspiers | screen is great |
| 23:57.14 | NeoStrider_ | hahahha...you cant just stop being a hacker while in the middle of the street |
| 23:57.15 | AlphaLux | pupnik, yeah I hear you |
| 23:57.24 | aspiers | I have a hack so that Ctrl-PageUp reverse searches for my prompt, so I can see where the output of the last command started |
| 23:57.33 | aspiers | bindkey "ESC[5\^" eval copy "stuff kk?---------(\015\^jlllll" |
| 23:57.35 | lcuk | ahhh xchat on 8x0 cant see other chans/msgs |
| 23:57.51 | AlphaLux | ah, haven't tried xchat yet |
| 23:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | What, lcuk? |
| 23:58.08 | pupnik | clever aspiers |
| 23:58.14 | lcuk | ts nice but i didnt know i was missing stuff |
| 23:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | the +/- keys cycles through tabs in xchat. |
| 23:58.50 | lcuk | gen, i have made it almost fullscreen and removed chan list from display. it doesnt flash anywhere |
| 23:58.59 | pupnik | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ title says it all - adding pipe and tab to the N810 keyboard |
| 23:59.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 23:59.03 | aspiers | pupnik: I also wrote a patch so that 'number +1' moves a window right in the window list, and -1 for left |
| 23:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | Set the toolbar notifications. |
| 23:59.27 | AlphaLux | lcuk, put in brief, you can create a file called .profile in your home directory, that script will be executed every time you start a shell |
| 23:59.49 | lcuk | in which i can cd to where i need. thanks |
