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| 00:43.39 | pupnik | thanks to the idnt guys for making the vmware image. saves a lot of putzing |
| 00:47.58 | Tama^2 | does anyone know what the new rtcomm update is about? |
| 00:48.04 | Tama^2 | for OS2008 of course |
| 00:51.41 | pupnik | no idea |
| 00:51.52 | pupnik | hrm what's root pw on the chinook vmware |
| 00:52.45 | Tama^2 | no idea xD |
| 00:52.59 | mardi__ | tried rootme ? |
| 00:55.12 | b0unc3 | pupnik: maemo iirc |
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| 00:57.02 | pupnik | maemo, rootme are no-go |
| 00:57.51 | Tama^2 | wow |
| 00:58.04 | Tama^2 | rtcomm update fucked my n800 up |
| 00:58.07 | Tama^2 | reboot loop |
| 00:58.14 | Tama^2 | thanks very much >.< |
| 00:58.40 | Tama^2 | who the fuck releases stuff like thaaaaaaaaat |
| 00:59.36 | pupnik | thanks for the warning |
| 01:00.03 | solmumaha | worked fine here but hence the beta i guess |
| 01:00.52 | Tama^2 | I am talking about the one that came out last night |
| 01:01.44 | Tama^2 | it was pushed out as an update of the first beta (i.e. the app manager offers to install it for you) |
| 01:01.49 | Tama^2 | ho well |
| 01:01.53 | Tama^2 | *oh |
| 01:11.35 | s1d | damn, i almost installed that a few mins ago |
| 01:14.25 | ywwg | in hildon banner, when it talks about "the name of the icon" is that a gtk icon-theme icon name? |
| 01:14.41 | pupnik | is it possible we someday can get a hack to have mplayer play .flv in browser? |
| 01:15.46 | pupnik | these sites always like to hide the actual stream from me with their javascript evil |
| 01:18.39 | pupnik | http://www.bmovies.com/ has some fun stuff |
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| 01:40.09 | bkruse_home | would porting an app I wrote for openmoko to maemo be very hard? (gtk voip app) |
| 01:42.42 | Robot101 | there is a gtk voip app on maemo, it's the built-in one :) |
| 01:43.20 | Robot101 | what does your openmoko voip app do? |
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| 01:43.49 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html bkruse_home |
| 01:44.29 | bkruse_home | Robot101: iax |
| 01:44.37 | bkruse_home | pupnik: perfect, bookmarked, ty |
| 01:44.53 | bkruse_home | Robot101: heard of iax? asterisk? :] |
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| 01:45.13 | pupnik | there's also a porting howto that focuses on the changes needed to go from gtk->hildon |
| 01:45.21 | Robot101 | bkruse_home: sure. would you be interested in hacking on a telepathy backend for iax? that'd get IAX support on maemo built-in to their UI, and then a telepathy UI on moko could do IAX, SIP, XMPP Jingle, or even GSM |
| 01:45.34 | pupnik | also 'bora' is the codename for OS2007 and 'chinook' is the codename for OS2008 |
| 01:45.43 | Robot101 | bkruse_home: telepathy.freedesktop.org |
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| 01:51.50 | bkruse_home | Robot101: Yes, I actually work for digium, which is the company backening asterisk, but I am doing this on my free time |
| 01:51.55 | bkruse_home | Robot101: I would be very interested. |
| 01:52.30 | Robot101 | bkruse_home: ahh, cool |
| 01:52.32 | bkruse_home | my neo is arriving in the next couple of days from sean from FIC and I will start hacking on the OM one, which I will then port to other things |
| 01:53.15 | bkruse_home | My idea for the moko platform is to integrate as a third part app, like all others, then integrate just solely into the dialer, so that you can chose "gsm gateway" or "iax client" |
| 01:53.42 | bkruse_home | does that make sense? integration into the dialer, instead of using your gsm gateway/provider (tmobile for example) you could use....voicepulse or something similar |
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| 01:58.24 | AlphaLux | has anyone ported a crond for OS2008? I have searched everywhere and only found old, old, links for earlier OS versions |
| 02:01.36 | pupnik | dunno what's used |
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| 02:31.30 | bkruse_home | does maemo have a mailing list? |
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| 02:42.25 | pupnik | yes maemo-users and maemo-developers |
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| 03:19.10 | Esotic | it's quiet tonite :) |
| 03:25.39 | s1d | everyones at bars spilling booze on their internet tablets |
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| 03:49.30 | minra | woohoo, drag and drop didn't work into vmplayer, but copy + paste file did |
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| 04:42.08 | Esotic | so is anyone sharing the videos they convert into N800 friendly formats? I just starting using "Media Converter" and am pretty happy with it |
| 04:49.01 | legind | Esotic, is media converter something that happens on the n800 side? and where can I get it |
| 04:50.50 | legind | and how is it different than, say, ffmepg |
| 04:50.51 | legind | ffmpeg |
| 04:53.51 | minra | no on pc side |
| 04:54.43 | minra | scratchbox ought to get a ping cmd |
| 04:55.06 | Esotic | sorry, i was putzing around with lxdoom :) |
| 04:55.14 | Esotic | you can download it from maemo.org |
| 04:55.25 | Esotic | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ |
| 04:56.41 | legind | thanks Esotic |
| 04:57.19 | Esotic | i was trying to render N800 friendly files from Vegas (my video editing software), but they never work in the default media player |
| 04:58.41 | minra | suggest you use mplayer on the tablet instead |
| 04:59.22 | Esotic | mplayer is ok, but the new version has been lagging on the MP4 files |
| 04:59.28 | Esotic | under OS2008 |
| 04:59.45 | minra | sync problems? |
| 04:59.48 | minra | a/v? |
| 05:00.05 | Esotic | i guess you could call it "sputtering" |
| 05:02.00 | minra | do you encode to 400x240 or lower? |
| 05:02.40 | Esotic | i tried a couple resolutions and bit-rates... 400x240, 320x160, etc |
| 05:03.04 | Esotic | using a 44.1 audio sampling frequency |
| 05:03.48 | minra | mp3 audio? |
| 05:04.39 | Esotic | could have been mp4.... the dialog in vegas just lets you pick the sampling frequency and bit-rate (128) |
| 05:05.07 | Esotic | Media Converter is working like a charm, though |
| 05:06.08 | Esotic | if i want to watch my own movies (that I filmed) then I have to transcode them... it would be nice if I could just render then from my editing solution, but whatever, at least it works |
| 05:08.47 | minra | yeah, the most convenient would be a streaming media player (on the tablet) that would let you browse, play and transcode for download your files conveniently |
| 05:09.46 | minra | anyway - glad it's working |
| 05:09.48 | minra | ttyl |
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| 05:18.21 | K-Fox | n810 is uncomfortable to be portable on my pocket ? |
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| 05:20.40 | trevarthan | I'm trying to install gtk-doc-tools and wpeditor-dev in the vmware chinook scratchbox. But apt-get can't find them. Where are they?? |
| 05:21.28 | K-Fox | trevarthan : n800 is uncomfortable to be portable into my pocket? |
| 05:22.09 | legind | K-Fox, ? |
| 05:22.15 | proteous | lol |
| 05:23.30 | proteous | you pocket size to be accommidating for maybe n800 of size? |
| 05:24.49 | trevarthan | oh, weird, I needed to add the chinook target to /etc/apt/sources.lst. strange. |
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| 05:25.29 | Esotic | my n800 fits my levis pocket ok |
| 05:25.42 | K-Fox | ok |
| 05:25.46 | Esotic | not sure if the n810 is larger or not |
| 05:26.21 | K-Fox | it's good |
| 05:26.29 | proteous | the n810 is smaller |
| 05:26.32 | Esotic | i would like an n800 case I could put a couple cards into (license, credit, etc) |
| 05:26.34 | proteous | smaller then the 770 even |
| 05:27.19 | trevarthan | It's winter, so I always travel with a coat. I put my n800 in the coat chest pocket. |
| 05:27.32 | K-Fox | n810 is too expensive than n810 |
| 05:27.48 | K-Fox | n800 |
| 05:28.16 | K-Fox | but n800 is large than n810 |
| 05:32.46 | trevarthan | Where the heck can I find libwpeditor-plus-dev? |
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| 05:43.10 | Esotic | i like web surfing on the n800, but I'm still getting used to the text entry |
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| 05:50.23 | zoran | Esotic, links |
| 05:50.53 | Esotic | links for what? |
| 05:51.06 | zoran | the name of browser, dude |
| 05:52.09 | Esotic | the browser that comes with OS2008? |
| 05:52.16 | zoran | hm, dunno |
| 05:52.28 | zoran | links is text mode browser for unix |
| 05:52.40 | zoran | more modern than lynx |
| 05:52.52 | zoran | some folks like elinks |
| 05:53.08 | Esotic | i think os2008 comes with a mozilla variant |
| 05:53.24 | zoran | ah, you asked for no graphical browser |
| 05:53.59 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.01 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.17 | Esotic | typing stuff into search engines and such |
| 05:54.25 | zoran | ah... |
| 05:54.30 | Esotic | sorry for the confusion |
| 05:54.45 | zoran | maybe gg or similar in front of search word... |
| 05:55.01 | zoran | gg was for opera, I think |
| 05:55.10 | Esotic | maybe one day i'll make a new on screen keyboard :) |
| 05:55.16 | zoran | there must be some manual |
| 05:55.39 | zoran | lost your stylus? |
| 05:55.59 | Esotic | no, i still have the 2 of them... just trying other methods |
| 05:56.10 | zoran | n800? |
| 05:56.15 | Esotic | yup |
| 05:56.35 | zoran | I saw bigger eee, with almost normal kb |
| 05:57.25 | Esotic | i got the n800 cuz i'm a web developer and build pages to control stuff across my LAN |
| 05:57.46 | zoran | yeah, n800 is the device for you |
| 05:57.56 | zoran | rsync could help |
| 05:58.00 | Esotic | it's a nice piece of kit |
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| 05:59.09 | zoran | Esotic, ruby? |
| 05:59.41 | Esotic | ruby what? |
| 05:59.46 | Esotic | the language? |
| 05:59.51 | zoran | language for web, yeah |
| 06:00.05 | zoran | I saw port for maemo |
| 06:00.15 | Esotic | i haven't looked at it yet... i've been working with PHP, Javascript, VB.Net and such |
| 06:00.28 | zoran | php is already in repos |
| 06:00.38 | Esotic | and of course IIS, Apache, MySql, etc |
| 06:00.39 | zoran | ajax is must-hae |
| 06:01.14 | zoran | iis is ms technology? |
| 06:01.21 | zoran | as vb.net? |
| 06:01.41 | Esotic | IIS is the web server, you can put any kind of server side script behind it |
| 06:02.09 | Esotic | i saw something recently where people were using .Net on apache |
| 06:02.23 | Esotic | sounds like craziness to me, but whatever floats your boat |
| 06:02.24 | zoran | in repos I saw 2 differnt servers for maemo, very small |
| 06:02.50 | zoran | hm, .net is not in my agenda |
| 06:03.05 | Esotic | i only use it for work |
| 06:03.09 | zoran | mysql has client in repos |
| 06:03.12 | Esotic | i mean, the work that pays the bills :) |
| 06:03.17 | zoran | he-he |
| 06:03.30 | Esotic | outside of work it's all PHP and javascript so far |
| 06:03.30 | zoran | if customer likes... |
| 06:03.52 | zoran | js was my no-no for years, but ajax changed it |
| 06:04.17 | zoran | I cannot get why sites ask for js if no ajax on it |
| 06:05.12 | Esotic | you can do stuff in javascript that isn't necessarily asynxchronous web transfers |
| 06:05.39 | zoran | hm, known for ie bugs et al. |
| 06:06.17 | Esotic | web apps are still pretty new... give it a year of two and hopefully things will standardize |
| 06:06.40 | zoran | I just dislike if the index page is only flash |
| 06:06.41 | Esotic | Firefox 3 and IE 8 :) |
| 06:07.06 | zoran | for instance, I want to buy something and go to their site |
| 06:07.19 | zoran | I they ask to install flash player... |
| 06:07.32 | Esotic | i have the macromedia studio and use dreamweaver, but flash is too complicated for me to dedicate my time to learn |
| 06:07.39 | zoran | never bought something on that kind of seller |
| 06:08.09 | Esotic | it has some cool features and i'm ok with other sites use it |
| 06:08.22 | zoran | ah, it is ok if suits you |
| 06:08.36 | zoran | not an aficionados |
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| 06:09.16 | Esotic | i'm not so much of a graphic designer. i think those folks are more into flash |
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| 06:09.38 | zoran | they think all people use exactly the same software as they do |
| 06:10.09 | Esotic | no, they are just morally superior enough not to care :) |
| 06:10.10 | zoran | w3c starndard should be the way to follow |
| 06:10.24 | hahlo | what about ie only pages, are they activex always? |
| 06:10.27 | zoran | ah, yes |
| 06:10.34 | zoran | and I don't read their sites |
| 06:10.52 | Esotic | IE bugs me that's it's not compliant, but Firefox bugs me cuz the javascript engine is slow |
| 06:11.02 | zoran | hahlo, personaly I just don't care for it |
| 06:11.45 | hahlo | but does mozilla show all other kinds than activex web pages? |
| 06:11.47 | zoran | and default should be no-cookies, no-js... |
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| 06:12.11 | zoran | active x was file tech |
| 06:12.21 | zoran | but proprietary, closed and bugged |
| 06:12.30 | zoran | so, dead |
| 06:12.37 | Esotic | ok, thanks for the chatting... i gotta get to bed now for my big day tomorrow... Cheers Everyone! :) |
| 06:12.44 | zoran | :) |
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| 10:00.35 | Blafasel | Still lost here: Trying to install pidgin, but it fails the libopencdk8 dependency, which is supposed to come from the maemo-haeckers repository acc. to the gronmayer search site. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 10:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Quite probably |
| 10:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | It should install right off |
| 10:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | You're using the one for chinook, right? |
| 10:02.26 | Blafasel | I removed all repositories that I could, visited the site from the topic and added the 2008/chinook ones again, yes |
| 10:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | If it's having a dependency, search gronmayer and add the repo that has it. |
| 10:03.15 | Blafasel | I did that, no luck |
| 10:03.35 | GeneralAntilles | Did you refresh? |
| 10:03.48 | Blafasel | Yep |
| 10:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | Run apt-get install pidgin and dump the logs on pastebin. |
| 10:04.56 | Blafasel | Uhm.. Okay. Let me check how I can do that (don't have ssh on the device, so I have to do it over there) |
| 10:05.25 | newca12 | [Announce] Streamtuner one click install now available for OS2006 and OS 2007 on maemo downloads. Enjoy ans stay tuned :-) |
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| 10:38.44 | Blafasel | Are those temp fixes for repositories still necessary? |
| 10:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 10:54.53 | Veggen | people. Is there any way to turn off power management features for the wlan interface of n810? |
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| 10:55.47 | Veggen | I don't think it works so well towards my home wlan. But if I use it at home, power usage isn't that important, because a charger is always within reach. |
| 10:56.04 | Veggen | I know about wireless-tools and iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 10:56.22 | Veggen | but the n810 keeps turning powersaving on again after a while. |
| 11:02.13 | melmoth | I have seen such a setting in the configuration panel |
| 11:02.30 | melmoth | there is a place that list all your connexion, you can edit preference for them. |
| 11:02.58 | melmoth | there is an "advanced" sort of option that let you tells how you want the powersaving feature to be used. |
| 11:04.36 | melmoth | connexion pannel/connectivity/connexions/select one connexion/next next next untill you got the "advanced option" choice. |
| 11:04.46 | melmoth | The labelling may differ a bit on your as mine use french locales :) |
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| 11:11.54 | melmoth | since os2008, i feel my n800 tablet consume a lot more of power. I used to have to recharge it every 4 or 5 days. Now it s every 2 days. |
| 11:11.57 | Veggen | ah :) that was even better than I hoped. So I can set it only on my home network. |
| 11:12.03 | melmoth | and i cannot browser 3 hours as i used to do. |
| 11:12.15 | Veggen | melmouth: I agree, I have the same feeling. |
| 11:12.17 | melmoth | i wonder if it s all due to the overclocking. |
| 11:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | RSS? |
| 11:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | metalayer-crawler? |
| 11:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | No, it's not the overclocking |
| 11:12.28 | melmoth | no, nothing that use the network regularly |
| 11:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | You've obviously got something eating CPU |
| 11:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | "overclocking" |
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| 11:14.51 | melmoth | the application usage did not change from when i was on os2007, so i dont know wich one may be the culprit. |
| 11:15.03 | melmoth | plus i do not see cpu load being high. |
| 11:18.47 | K-Fox | is it possbile to use os2007 application on os2008 |
| 11:19.39 | ccooke | K-Fox: I understand that too much has changed for that to work |
| 11:20.13 | K-Fox | ok |
| 11:21.07 | melmoth | all depends the application i think. |
| 11:21.20 | melmoth | If it s python based, it should work the same way. |
| 11:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the app |
| 11:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | GUI stuff is a no-go because of the GTK break |
| 11:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | but console stuff is pretty much 100% |
| 11:24.42 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: I thought there were a few library upgrades? I doubt all console stuff would work. |
| 11:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, almost 100% of the console stuff works fine. |
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| 11:40.17 | ccooke | Hmm. Canola(2) doesn't do video podcasts, does it? |
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| 12:05.28 | Cptnodegard | how do you get canola to display album art? -.- |
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| 12:37.05 | kala | anybody knows why the text size is very small and doesn't increase with zoom when I try to write e-mail on outlook web access? |
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| 12:38.22 | alterego | Eh? |
| 12:38.41 | alterego | What's outlook web access? |
| 12:38.55 | glass | ms's webmail thing |
| 12:38.56 | johnx | I assume it's some part of exchange? |
| 12:39.06 | alterego | eshudders |
| 12:39.12 | kala | ugh :) |
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| 12:42.27 | kala | and anotherthing ... anybody used the tablet to connect wirelessly to the projector? |
| 12:42.45 | kala | I know, you don't have powerpoint on it, but anyway ... it would be cool :) |
| 12:42.56 | johnx | No, but what kind of projector? |
| 12:43.34 | kala | I have been told that there are projectors, which can display a picture ower wifi |
| 12:43.50 | kala | http://www.nextag.co.uk/Panasonic-PT-LB51NTEA-Wireless-559431031/uk/prices-html |
| 12:44.19 | GEORGE_BG | hello |
| 12:44.26 | johnx | hi |
| 12:44.35 | johnx | kala, it would depend on how they implemented it on the projector, but it might work |
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| 12:45.09 | Henry78 | hi! |
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| 12:45.22 | GEORGE_BG | is somewhere instruction how to support usb mouse ot n800 |
| 12:46.00 | alterego | Not that I'm seen. |
| 12:46.05 | alterego | Seems a bit silly .. |
| 12:46.15 | alterego | Unless you're using that KDE setup .. |
| 12:46.31 | alterego | The tablets are meant to be touched!!! |
| 12:46.33 | alterego | Touch them .. |
| 12:48.02 | johnx | GEORGE_BG, I don't think it works now |
| 12:48.30 | johnx | but it seems like some guys at internettablettalk.com/forums are trying to get it working |
| 12:48.37 | johnx | might want to search there |
| 12:48.57 | johnx | some of the stuff is on bluetooth mice but it should be somewhat similar |
| 12:49.35 | GEORGE_BG | ok i will see |
| 12:49.37 | GEORGE_BG | thanks |
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| 12:52.23 | rustbucket | hi, i'm trying to install some of the gtk dev packages onto an N810 so i can write a couple of desktop applets on my way to work in the morning. i have gcc running fine but can't seem to find gtk dev debs that match the version that ships with the tablet. is this something that anyone here has done successfully and could offer advice on? |
| 12:53.36 | rustbucket | (the ones on repository.maemo.org have an osso4 in the version string; the binaries on the device appear to be osso5) |
| 12:56.05 | johnx | interesting |
| 12:56.18 | johnx | I see osso32 on my tablet and osso24 in the repo |
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| 12:57.01 | rustbucket | i might be remembering incorrectly - tried to install last night |
| 12:57.11 | rustbucket | will check what version i have |
| 12:57.36 | johnx | still, I know I ran into version mismatches before and eventually tracked it down |
| 12:57.37 | inz | johnx, there's 32.1 source in os2008 |
| 12:57.43 | johnx | ah |
| 12:57.49 | johnx | ok, that's probably what it wa |
| 12:57.50 | johnx | s |
| 12:58.15 | inz | johnx, you'll need to build it, but I guess they compile quite nicely |
| 12:59.33 | rustbucket | i was remembering incorrectly: it was libpng12-dev that i could only find osso4 for, a precursor for cairo befor i could install gtk |
| 12:59.56 | johnx | if you want to match the tablet exactly you might have to do some manual building |
| 13:00.11 | johnx | if not just go with what's in the repositories |
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| 13:01.54 | Henry78 | is anybody able to explain why i get strange dependency problems if i try to update some packages via the application manager? apg-get install is able to install there packages. should i use apt-get on the n800 or is it a bad idea? |
| 13:01.59 | rustbucket | thanks: i'm not to concerned about matching the repository if it's only headers. i just started to run into so many dependency problems i figured that i must be looking in the wrong place for the armel debs. |
| 13:02.51 | johnx | yeah, those .debs were probably never intended to be installed on the tablet |
| 13:03.31 | rustbucket | fair enough. i just figured they would be in sync with the release :-) |
| 13:03.32 | melmoth | Henry78: i use apt-get to install software without problem, you can give it a try. |
| 13:03.40 | Henry78 | thanks. |
| 13:03.48 | rustbucket | cheers |
| 13:04.13 | Henry78 | but apt-get wants to remove osso-software-version, which ha a lot of reverse-dependencies...? |
| 13:04.25 | melmoth | hmmm. |
| 13:04.32 | johnx | Don't do that then. :) |
| 13:04.39 | Henry78 | didn't do it. |
| 13:04.44 | melmoth | what are you trying to install ? from wich repo ? |
| 13:05.08 | Henry78 | tryint to install libvte-common, i thinks that's from the chinook repo |
| 13:06.14 | Henry78 | my n800 is quite new, so i'm still figuring out how the things work. |
| 13:06.50 | melmoth | no idea :-( sounds like a dependency is badly set in the package. |
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| 13:08.19 | Henry78 | it's in the "operation system" virtual package. thought it's important |
| 13:09.25 | johnx | Henry78, libvte-common should already be installed on the tablet I think |
| 13:09.44 | johnx | ah, was this while updating? |
| 13:10.43 | Henry78 | updating? |
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| 13:11.21 | johnx | I mean: "Did you run into the problem with libvte-common while trying to upgrade other software?" |
| 13:11.59 | Henry78 | no, just the "operating system" package needs it. |
| 13:12.22 | Zetx | I'm slightly confused... do the n8x0's have some sort of OpenGL support? |
| 13:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 13:12.36 | Henry78 | so maybe it just gets pulled in from the chinook-repo, and i don't need it really. hmm... that's fine. |
| 13:14.08 | johnx | libvte-common should be installed on your device already. It should be included with the firmware. Precisely, what were you trying to do with apt-get when it tried to install libvte-common and couldn't? |
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| 13:18.28 | Henry78 | i tried to install libvte-common via apt-get 'cause it didn't work via application manager, i wanted to get more information why. apt told me libvte-common provides libvte-common- 1:0.12.2-0mh4 and on the same time it depends on that version. application manger shows that (the same version it is providing) as a missing dependency. |
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| 13:19.38 | johnx | ah. Ok, it sounds like somehow libvte-common managed to get itself uninstalled. |
| 13:19.50 | johnx | since it should have come with your tablet |
| 13:19.58 | johnx | I don't know if it's in any repository or not |
| 13:20.05 | alterego | Did he remove xterm? |
| 13:20.07 | johnx | let me check and see if I can find it somewhere |
| 13:20.37 | Henry78 | no, it's installed. the mh4 version is installed. |
| 13:21.30 | Henry78 | i think it's just not possible (atm) to install the version from the chinook-repo because of wrong(?) dependencies. |
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| 13:22.09 | johnx | the extras repository? or the maemo-hackers repository? |
| 13:22.20 | johnx | lots of repos with chinook in the name. :) |
| 13:22.28 | Henry78 | hackers. |
| 13:22.53 | johnx | yes, I would agree. Somehow their dependencies are screwed up. |
| 13:23.02 | johnx | sorry it took so long for me to understand. |
| 13:23.03 | Henry78 | yeh, i'm quite confused with all the repos. |
| 13:23.58 | Henry78 | maybe i wasn't articulating exact. |
| 13:24.17 | Henry78 | thanks for discussing that with me. |
| 13:24.23 | johnx | sure. No problem |
| 13:24.24 | johnx | :) |
| 13:24.59 | Henry78 | so have nice day, my girlfriend is eagerly awaiting me. |
| 13:25.03 | johnx | ah |
| 13:25.13 | johnx | you too |
| 13:25.16 | Henry78 | bye |
| 13:25.16 | johnx | have fun |
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| 13:55.09 | johnx | hahaha...useless annoying hack #2342: use xclip in conjuntion with flite to have the IT read aloud whatever you hilight. It's as bad as it sounds. :) |
| 14:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind my retarded ass where the .desktops are stored? |
| 14:00.16 | johnx | /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 14:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 14:00.31 | johnx | sure |
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| 14:17.15 | minra_ | why does sudo (pw maemo) work in scratchbox but 'su' doesn't? |
| 14:18.06 | minra_ | do i need to add 'maemo' to /etc/sudoers? |
| 14:18.12 | johnx | maybe no root password is set? |
| 14:18.17 | johnx | why not just sudo su - |
| 14:18.20 | johnx | ? |
| 14:18.23 | minra_ | pass seems to be maemo |
| 14:18.35 | johnx | that's the user password |
| 14:18.37 | minra_ | that works thanks |
| 14:18.38 | johnx | not the root password |
| 14:18.44 | minra_ | got me root here |
| 14:21.03 | melmoth | minra_ i use fakeroot in scratchbox |
| 14:21.29 | minra_ | adding my real (router) dns server to scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf solved the apt-get problems |
| 14:21.46 | minra_ | sorry i was misleading |
| 14:21.52 | minra_ | i meant in the maemo vmware host system |
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| 14:22.57 | Haelios77 | greetings everyone |
| 14:23.35 | Haelios77 | anyone there? |
| 14:23.40 | minra_ | 1 |
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| 14:26.37 | johnx | wow...nothing like giving people a second to respond... |
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| 14:29.24 | minra_ | how do you transfer files from host system to vmware system johnx? my copy and paste (drag and drop) sometimes works, sometimes not (straange) |
| 14:29.56 | minra_ | i drag and i can see the 'copying file to virtual machine' but the file never appears |
| 14:30.04 | johnx | I assume your host is Windows and the system in vmware is Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 14:30.29 | minra_ | vmware is the idnt scratchbox chinook/bora kit, host is debian sid (fluxbox) |
| 14:30.41 | minra_ | and source for the file copy is konqueror |
| 14:30.48 | minra_ | maybe it's having trouble following the symlink |
| 14:31.10 | johnx | you could just use scp from inside scratchbox |
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| 14:31.30 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 14:31.34 | johnx | hi |
| 14:31.44 | minra_ | yeah will scp |
| 14:33.23 | johnx | or you could copy from the Linux host side of things to /scratchbox/users/you/home/you or something like that |
| 14:33.45 | minra_ | the confusing thing is that it sometimes works, sometimes not |
| 14:33.50 | Andy80 | I've a strange problem with MaemoMapper. Even if I enable auto-download (so it should download maps at every zoom level) the image is never defined. I mean... when you have a bitmap and you try to zoom... you begin to see the pixel... right? Well... all the images downloaded from maemo mapper are not correctly zoomed... is this a know iussue with MaemoMapper 2.3 in N810? |
| 14:34.14 | minra_ | but screw drag-n-drop. that's a windows/mac tradition |
| 14:34.31 | minra_ | duno |
| 14:34.43 | minra_ | Andy80: is maemomapper better than the default gps mapper? |
| 14:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 14:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | Andy80, do you have pixel doubling turned on? |
| 14:35.26 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: where can I check this? |
| 14:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | Under the repository settings |
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| 14:35.56 | Andy80 | I check now... |
| 14:36.28 | Andy80 | yes it is |
| 14:36.31 | Andy80 | I try to disable it |
| 14:37.25 | Andy80 | yeah, now it's ok :) |
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| 14:41.43 | Ariel_Eran | Any ops around? |
| 14:43.21 | minra_ | maybe? |
| 14:43.26 | scibot | Has anybody figured out how to do pixel doubling in pygame? |
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| 14:44.27 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: there's another strange thing: I try to download a road info.... starting point "via bargi pistoia" ending point "via enrico fermi pistoia". While www.gnuite.com webservice gives me the right info, if I use it from maemo mapper, it says there are about 1080 km :D |
| 14:44.29 | minra_ | (P)erformance, (Y)ou're kidding? - Game? |
| 14:44.36 | Andy80 | but... there are only 4-5 km :) |
| 14:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, Andy80. |
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| 15:07.27 | sh4rpr00ter | hi all |
| 15:08.07 | johnx | hi |
| 15:08.31 | sh4rpr00ter | i read watched that video about moding nokia 770 |
| 15:08.42 | sh4rpr00ter | which phone is better 770 / 800 ? |
| 15:09.02 | zoran | not phones! |
| 15:09.06 | sh4rpr00ter | i mean tablet |
| 15:09.16 | Andy80 | N800 of course :) |
| 15:09.27 | johnx | The N800 is better in every way |
| 15:09.44 | sh4rpr00ter | u know how much will it cost in used market ?? i m new to this |
| 15:09.58 | sh4rpr00ter | i read wiki about the same |
| 15:10.14 | pupnik | no the 770 is more durable than n800 |
| 15:10.23 | johnx | check ebay or the for sale section of internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 15:10.35 | johnx | last time I checked an N800+extras was ~$200 |
| 15:10.46 | sh4rpr00ter | okie. i found 770 is very cheap as 130$ |
| 15:10.50 | pupnik | too cheap |
| 15:10.53 | pupnik | :) |
| 15:11.17 | johnx | the difference is $70 well spent |
| 15:11.20 | sh4rpr00ter | and on both models all the softwares are compatible ?? |
| 15:11.36 | sh4rpr00ter | means 770 sw will work on 800 |
| 15:11.37 | sh4rpr00ter | ? |
| 15:11.42 | pupnik | agree johnx, for 2x the power and 12x the storage capacity |
| 15:11.59 | sh4rpr00ter | or have to find some new versions. |
| 15:12.05 | pupnik | that depends on many things sh4rpr00ter |
| 15:12.10 | sh4rpr00ter | okie |
| 15:12.12 | johnx | you'll need new versions in most cases |
| 15:12.25 | johnx | some command line stuff for the 770 still works on the N800 |
| 15:12.46 | pupnik | SDL proggies too |
| 15:12.57 | sh4rpr00ter | all ppl here having the tablet ?? |
| 15:13.10 | sh4rpr00ter | i wanna ask |
| 15:13.18 | sh4rpr00ter | if it has skype ?? |
| 15:13.26 | johnx | yes. It has skype. |
| 15:13.31 | sh4rpr00ter | or gtalk ? |
| 15:13.33 | sh4rpr00ter | gr8 |
| 15:13.46 | sh4rpr00ter | 770 aLSO supports that skype ?? |
| 15:13.46 | glass | skype on 770 too? |
| 15:13.49 | glass | i havent been keeping up |
| 15:14.00 | sh4rpr00ter | okie..its gr8 news. |
| 15:14.05 | glass | i thought it was just 800/810 but not sure |
| 15:14.11 | johnx | ah. I think someone hacked up skype to make it work on the 770 |
| 15:14.19 | glass | ah |
| 15:14.34 | johnx | they took the 2007OS version and made it work on 2007HE |
| 15:14.45 | K-Fox | hey pdf viewer is good to render next page on n810? |
| 15:14.55 | sh4rpr00ter | maemo flash is free for use ?? |
| 15:15.26 | K-Fox | pdf viewer is fast? |
| 15:15.39 | johnx | I don't use it much |
| 15:15.41 | johnx | it seems ok |
| 15:15.50 | K-Fox | to read |
| 15:15.56 | keesj | pdf viewer is getting better every release. the last one is very usable |
| 15:16.02 | johnx | sh4rpr00ter, What do you mean by "maemo flash"? |
| 15:16.14 | sh4rpr00ter | means i wanna mod it... |
| 15:16.19 | sh4rpr00ter | as i saw video of it. |
| 15:16.22 | sh4rpr00ter | bin file |
| 15:16.52 | glass | firmware? or wha? |
| 15:16.58 | johnx | What are you talking about? |
| 15:16.58 | glass | you can run custom kernels if you want |
| 15:17.12 | sh4rpr00ter | yes the firmware |
| 15:17.21 | sh4rpr00ter | got it..its linux means free |
| 15:17.24 | glass | not all of the firmware is open/free tho |
| 15:17.27 | shackan | sh4rpr00ter: mod it to do what? |
| 15:17.36 | sh4rpr00ter | sniffing... |
| 15:17.46 | sh4rpr00ter | wlan |
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| 15:18.00 | sh4rpr00ter | nmap , kismet, or mplayer .... |
| 15:18.21 | sh4rpr00ter | n810 is out for sale ???? |
| 15:18.26 | johnx | yes |
| 15:18.27 | K-Fox | what is a name of sniffing appl ? |
| 15:18.32 | sh4rpr00ter | kismet |
| 15:18.35 | zoran | dsiff |
| 15:18.43 | zoran | *dsniff |
| 15:18.46 | sh4rpr00ter | ettercap |
| 15:18.50 | johnx | sh4rpr00ter, There's already kismet compiled for it...but something to do with the wireless drivers causes it to stop working after a couple minutes |
| 15:18.59 | zoran | tcpdump |
| 15:19.05 | K-Fox | ettercat <--- this is worked on n810 |
| 15:19.21 | sh4rpr00ter | 810 is expensive .. |
| 15:19.30 | K-Fox | ok |
| 15:19.40 | K-Fox | expensive |
| 15:19.47 | johnx | yeah, the N800 is a better deal than the N810 unless you need the keyboard |
| 15:19.51 | K-Fox | i will buy n800 |
| 15:20.15 | sh4rpr00ter | can i port mine linux application to work on 770 /800 ...... |
| 15:20.16 | sh4rpr00ter | ? |
| 15:20.20 | K-Fox | johnx/ what do you have ? |
| 15:20.31 | johnx | sh4rpr00ter, yes |
| 15:20.34 | johnx | K-Fox, N800 |
| 15:20.45 | sh4rpr00ter | need some extra knowledge ?? |
| 15:20.54 | sh4rpr00ter | or is there any tools for posting |
| 15:21.00 | sh4rpr00ter | i mean porting |
| 15:21.06 | johnx | sh4rpr00ter, google maemo sdk |
| 15:21.13 | sh4rpr00ter | coz i m hacking interested .. |
| 15:21.19 | sh4rpr00ter | okie |
| 15:21.26 | zoran | for instance? |
| 15:21.33 | johnx | command line tools shouldn't need any work. Just recompile |
| 15:21.44 | sh4rpr00ter | okie |
| 15:21.51 | johnx | GUI stuff will probably need to modified to fit in right with the desktop |
| 15:22.12 | sh4rpr00ter | all command line program will work ??? |
| 15:22.21 | sh4rpr00ter | like on normal linux systems . |
| 15:22.41 | johnx | you'll have to recompile them, but for the most part they'll work |
| 15:22.47 | shackan | yes, in most cases at least |
| 15:22.54 | sh4rpr00ter | firstly i thought its a phone. |
| 15:22.54 | johnx | at worst you can just make yourself a debian chroot, and run stuff in that |
| 15:22.56 | K-Fox | johnx/ do you have no plan to buy a n810? |
| 15:23.29 | johnx | K-Fox, I can think of better ways to spend $350 right now. :) |
| 15:23.55 | sh4rpr00ter | i also heard iphone can also used for snifffing. |
| 15:24.03 | sh4rpr00ter | have to mod it . |
| 15:24.06 | K-Fox | ok |
| 15:24.14 | pupnik | bah the sdl keymap is brooken in chinook for hw keyboard |
| 15:24.17 | sh4rpr00ter | i red it at metasploit framework |
| 15:25.04 | K-Fox | oh iphone is sniffing wow |
| 15:25.10 | sh4rpr00ter | now i m desperately wanna buy 1 soon |
| 15:25.22 | Xxaxx | bugaga |
| 15:25.48 | sh4rpr00ter | 770 supports how much storage? |
| 15:26.03 | Xxaxx | google? |
| 15:26.07 | sh4rpr00ter | okie. |
| 15:26.10 | pupnik | 2GB |
| 15:26.24 | zoran | or more if you use sshfs |
| 15:26.31 | johnx | 2GB RSMMC, unless you're willing to take a knife and soldering iron to the card socket |
| 15:26.58 | sh4rpr00ter | its a fucking gr8 thing linux in pocket.. |
| 15:27.23 | johnx | It is |
| 15:27.24 | kala | perhaps somebody has a broken 770, but otherwise good case for it? I would like to mount 770 to my car and it seems that the extra case could be handy :) |
| 15:28.29 | johnx | sh4rpr00ter, have you looked at the zaurus at all? |
| 15:28.29 | sh4rpr00ter | whats that? |
| 15:28.29 | johnx | http://images.google.com/images?q=zaurus&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 15:28.29 | johnx | ^google knows all^ |
| 15:28.29 | sh4rpr00ter | fuck its pretty . |
| 15:28.52 | johnx | might be a better setup for sniffing and command line stuff if you don't really care about GUI apps |
| 15:29.28 | sh4rpr00ter | also i was looking previsously. for small screen lap. |
| 15:29.37 | sh4rpr00ter | i found fujitsu 1000 |
| 15:29.42 | sh4rpr00ter | is also gr8 |
| 15:29.49 | johnx | expensive though isn't it? |
| 15:29.49 | sh4rpr00ter | but $1000 |
| 15:29.54 | sh4rpr00ter | yeah |
| 15:30.07 | sh4rpr00ter | 8" screen |
| 15:30.18 | sh4rpr00ter | and how much is zaurus |
| 15:30.19 | sh4rpr00ter | ? |
| 15:30.25 | johnx | like 3.5" maybe? |
| 15:30.45 | sh4rpr00ter | i mean cost ? |
| 15:30.50 | johnx | ah |
| 15:31.01 | johnx | $250 - $350 on ebay it looks like for a C1000 |
| 15:31.30 | sh4rpr00ter | still expensive.have to r&d in it. |
| 15:32.31 | johnx | people sell them on oesf.org/forum too |
| 15:33.14 | sh4rpr00ter | but i gess for cheap 770 or 800 is gr8 choice. |
| 15:33.39 | sh4rpr00ter | afterall both are going to run linux |
| 15:33.42 | johnx | yeah, if you don't care about a keyboard |
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| 15:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | gr8? |
| 15:34.08 | sh4rpr00ter | yeah. |
| 15:34.27 | shackan | how old are you sh4rpr00ter ? |
| 15:34.31 | sh4rpr00ter | 23 |
| 15:34.36 | shackan | ... |
| 15:34.39 | zoran | Billy said you don't need kb since computer should work on voice command |
| 15:34.41 | shackan | I tought 13 |
| 15:34.59 | sh4rpr00ter | yeah....thats right.... |
| 15:35.14 | sh4rpr00ter | have to conf. it . for that . |
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| 15:38.27 | ywwg | is there a way to ask libosso if a certain mimetype has a handler on the system? like how does the browser know how to launch files? |
| 15:40.19 | inz | ywwg, libosso doesn't, mut libhildonmime should |
| 15:40.33 | sh4rpr00ter | where can i buy 770 or 800 direct means no bidding.... |
| 15:40.41 | sh4rpr00ter | i dont trust ppl at ebay. |
| 15:40.56 | sh4rpr00ter | some times.... |
| 15:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | buy.com |
| 15:42.05 | sh4rpr00ter | okie. |
| 15:43.39 | pupnik | blah ultima6 runs like ass |
| 15:45.22 | doc|home | buy.com have good prices if you're in the US |
| 15:46.18 | pupnik | and lots of complaints about service |
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| 15:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, from who? |
| 15:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | My dealings with them have always been great |
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| 15:47.31 | pupnik | just my impression from the number of complaints i see |
| 15:47.47 | pupnik | returns, doa, rma |
| 15:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | What kind of impression do you get with the number of complaints you see about the N810? :P |
| 15:48.47 | zoran | looks like 25% damaged |
| 15:49.10 | zoran | or I got that impression |
| 15:49.55 | pupnik | any DOS games you want me to test with this new dosbox build? |
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| 15:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | Fun ones! |
| 15:51.03 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, does Win3.11 work in dosbox? |
| 15:51.10 | lcuk_2 | (knows it aint fun) |
| 15:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 15:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | That would crack me up. |
| 15:51.33 | lcuk_2 | it probably would work, and the scary thing is it would be more efficient than vista ;) |
| 15:52.06 | pupnik | i think it does if you enable the full cpu |
| 15:53.34 | lcuk_2 | i think i might be onto something re: battery drain and fbreader. i minimised all last night before locking device and battery is exactly where i left it |
| 15:54.44 | GeneralAntilles | If your conclusions are wrong, we're going to have to kill you. |
| 15:55.04 | lcuk_2 | thats ok, its only empirical at the moment |
| 15:55.28 | lcuk_2 | i did some logging with top and checking where cpu was being used but the results are a bit fuzzy at the mo |
| 15:56.29 | lcuk_2 | although i need a better way to monitor stats |
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| 16:01.14 | kpel | hi all |
| 16:01.31 | thopiekar | hi |
| 16:02.15 | johnx | hi |
| 16:02.58 | pupnik | wow norton si reporting it at roughly 24mhz 80386 speed |
| 16:04.49 | lcuk_2 | cool, you might try running visicalc :) http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm |
| 16:05.28 | pupnik | mips reports it as 2x as fast as a compaq 386, 4x as fast as a 286 @ 8mhz, 16x as fast as a 4.77mhz pc |
| 16:05.51 | pupnik | doesn't quite translate into games performance of course, cause screen draws and sound takes up a lot of time |
| 16:07.07 | lcuk_2 | so you have a nice fast ibm compatible with altair level graphics |
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| 16:09.11 | pupnik | hehe |
| 16:09.29 | pupnik | well it slows down severely with gfx/disk acess |
| 16:09.37 | pupnik | trying to get a feel for what class of games run well now |
| 16:10.19 | lcuk_2 | nethack ;) |
| 16:13.50 | pupnik | betrayal at krondor is somewhat playable |
| 16:14.15 | glass | dosboxed? |
| 16:14.18 | pupnik | yeah |
| 16:14.20 | glass | wow |
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| 16:14.47 | pupnik | the 3d outdoor scenes are about 1 fps, but that's not so unusual |
| 16:16.18 | glass | it wasn't fast on a real machine even tho iirc? |
| 16:16.25 | pupnik | the real problem is with sdl and the n810 keyboard. mapping is off and function key doesn't work. |
| 16:16.33 | pupnik | yes iirc. i'll try it on PC dosbox |
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| 16:33.10 | zoran | someone using dict client? |
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| 17:20.57 | lcuk_2 | wifi wlan question: if i leave it connected with no timeout but i am not using the connection does it drain the battery quickly or can i basically forget about it and leave it connected? |
| 17:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | Forget |
| 17:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | unless something is doing a lot of something |
| 17:22.45 | glass | depends whats happening on the network i'd reckon? |
| 17:23.04 | lcuk_2 | no, basically a webpage open (remote control front end) and only quick connections when i press buttons but currently im set to timeout so it disconnects after 5 mins |
| 17:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | The WLAN powersaving is rather incredible. |
| 17:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | It cycles on and off very quickly. |
| 17:23.46 | lcuk_2 | so its simimlar to the radio on a cellular phone - ie only uses power rarely and occasionally when required |
| 17:25.12 | lcuk_2 | actually, just thinking about this i best block off connections to the outside world. dont want random folks controlling my movie ;) |
| 17:28.46 | pupnik | thing about these damn javascript webpages is you have no idea what they're doing |
| 17:28.53 | pupnik | unlike the good clean days of html |
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| 17:29.54 | lcuk_2 | with old fashioned a links |
| 17:30.20 | pupnik | in fact the whole damn web is an evil sick piece of shite |
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| 17:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 17:31.57 | pupnik | all we need is a protocol for identifying screen size, a text input box, and where the user clicked |
| 17:31.57 | pupnik | everything can be server-side, and a trivial, simple client |
| 17:31.57 | melmoth | real men use gopher ! |
| 17:31.57 | lcuk_2 | yer but this needs to be used by my real woman |
| 17:31.58 | lcuk_2 | so she wants big fat buttons |
| 17:31.58 | pupnik | gopher was the u of mn mascot |
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| 17:35.41 | nick_fn | Does the front of the N800 come off, to make it easier to fit a screen protector? |
| 17:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 17:36.21 | doc|home | it does?! |
| 17:36.21 | doc|home | goddamn it, why did no one tell me this?! |
| 17:36.36 | nick_fn | GeneralAntilles: do you know how ? :-) |
| 17:37.13 | GeneralAntilles | There are 3 tabs bellow the kickstand |
| 17:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | use a jewelers screwdriver to finagle them open. |
| 17:37.56 | nick_fn | yep, I see them |
| 17:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | Just try not to loose the buttons. |
| 17:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | s/loose/lose/ |
| 17:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, because you didn't ask. |
| 17:39.42 | doc|home | :o |
| 17:40.04 | doc|home | ok, so, while we're there: can the CPU/Memory work any faster? :) |
| 17:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 17:40.16 | nick_fn | the two end ones are easy, the middle tab is being tricky |
| 17:40.17 | doc|home | damn! |
| 17:40.19 | doc|home | :) |
| 17:40.33 | nick_fn | doc|home: I can upgrade to OS2008 from 2007 to make the clock speed faster, IIRC... |
| 17:40.58 | doc|home | nick_fn: yep, have done that |
| 17:41.07 | doc|home | still the browser doesn't seem to render any faster |
| 17:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | It does. |
| 17:41.19 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you were on Opera |
| 17:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | In which case, it's only a little faster. |
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| 17:42.49 | nick_fn | ok, top off now |
| 17:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | Which screen protector? |
| 17:43.51 | nick_fn | I got an invisible shield |
| 17:44.07 | nick_fn | normally I go with Brando Workshop though. brb, I forgot my compressed air, so I'll go fetch that |
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| 17:57.56 | DaniloCesar | is mirob default on OS2008 or Opera still begin instaled by default? |
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| 17:59.34 | pupnik | opera is gone |
| 18:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | and good riddance to bad rubbish. |
| 18:00.46 | nick_fn | hmm... well, that went badly |
| 18:00.59 | nick_fn | even managed to drop the protector on carpet mid way through |
| 18:01.19 | nick_fn | and it got really stuck to my gloves I thought I'd wear to stop finger prints |
| 18:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's called soap. :P |
| 18:02.54 | nick_fn | I use very thin plastic gloves for doing picture frames, so I thought that might work good here too |
| 18:02.56 | nick_fn | but nope |
| 18:04.15 | pupnik | i suggest a hard case - my n810 is already dented (barely noticeable) |
| 18:04.33 | nick_fn | which do you recommend? |
| 18:04.37 | pupnik | dunno |
| 18:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | Not for the N800 |
| 18:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | N810, maybe |
| 18:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | But the N800 isn't dentable |
| 18:05.05 | nick_fn | bugger, there is three bits under the protector |
| 18:05.44 | shackan | bits? |
| 18:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | Pieces of dirt |
| 18:06.12 | nick_fn | one yellow thread bit, one dark bit, and one other thing |
| 18:07.08 | nick_fn | wonder how easy it is to take them off again... |
| 18:07.58 | jeff1f | Not very! |
| 18:08.12 | nick_fn | oh well. I'll live with it for now |
| 18:08.16 | nick_fn | better than scratching the screen |
| 18:09.21 | nick_fn | I can always order a new one I guess |
| 18:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | That's the problem with the invisible shield. |
| 18:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | Not quite as easy to reapply as others. |
| 18:10.23 | nick_fn | yeah, brando you can redo many times |
| 18:10.41 | Robot101 | I have an invisible shield, it's almost like not having one at all. works wonderfully, keep it in the provided case, not got any scratches.... |
| 18:11.15 | nick_fn | I'm finding the screen quite 'tacky' still - will that go away after time? |
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| 18:16.20 | kpel | nick_fn, maybe. the problem i've found is that i tap on a place and an event for another,nearby place, gets generated. |
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| 18:20.43 | nick_fn | kpel: I checked with maemopad+, and drawing works as expected so I don't have that issue yet |
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| 18:46.50 | pupnik | anybody want to compile a sound blaster 16 emulator for the tablet dsp? :) |
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| 18:55.25 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, sure. you get me the source, i'll compile it for you ;) |
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| 19:00.25 | pupnik | dosbox-0.72/src/hardware/sblaster.cpp |
| 19:05.02 | skibur | http://www.eyeq.tv/?cid=131143 <--- This would be a good app fot the Tablet. :) |
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| 19:07.40 | lcuk_2 | pupnik, it will compile but I am having trouble squashing my old sb16 card inside the MMC slot of my 810. it made some sort of crunching noise when i pushed it in but i think its ok |
| 19:08.10 | lcuk_2 | ill test it when i bring it back online, it all crash for some bizarre reason ;) |
| 19:08.33 | pupnik | hehe |
| 19:08.41 | pupnik | i need to also profile it |
| 19:09.02 | pupnik | but first! more testing |
| 19:09.37 | lcuk_2 | skibur, this eyeq thing is not possible on 810 because: "exclusive high speed imaging techniques". ... |
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| 19:10.27 | lcuk_2 | pup, was it you that wanted an xv graphics example for some reason |
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| 19:11.19 | pupnik | yeah |
| 19:11.52 | pupnik | also need to look at what pipeline is doing to make quake2 draw fast |
| 19:11.56 | lcuk_2 | well ill be looking in that direction in the next few days (if i can get compiling off the ground..) |
| 19:12.10 | pupnik | cool |
| 19:12.39 | lcuk_2 | i want to run monochrome images (book text) and think thats the way i need to be pointing |
| 19:13.28 | pupnik | yes. i also need to learn what mplayer is doing |
| 19:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | Magic |
| 19:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | evil voodoo magic |
| 19:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | Burn the witches! |
| 19:14.07 | pupnik | yeah, "any siginificantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" A.C. Clarke |
| 19:14.17 | pupnik | s/significiantly/sufficiently |
| 19:14.19 | lcuk_2 | siarhei is doing the mplayer ninja logic isnt it |
| 19:14.24 | pupnik | yes |
| 19:14.52 | lcuk_2 | but hes not the core mplayer guy - just specifically maemo from what i could gather |
| 19:14.57 | pupnik | yes |
| 19:18.26 | lcuk_2 | v1 of my remote control is working (total html at client end) now to make it much faster with python and sockets :) |
| 19:21.04 | lcuk_2 | is there in /dev/ that i can read current battery status? |
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| 19:22.06 | danie2 | Hi Everybody. |
| 19:22.15 | pupnik | greetings |
| 19:23.14 | danie2 | I need to know if there a completely free version of maemo without any proprietary software installed except required driver |
| 19:23.19 | danie2 | *drivers |
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| 19:23.59 | danie2 | I want to use maemo, but I saw that it comes with a lot of nonfree software inside. |
| 19:24.30 | danie2 | is there any possibility to hack that o.s. to be fully free? |
| 19:25.14 | shackan | there's ubuntu mobile |
| 19:25.36 | danie2 | yes? and is it rocks on the nokia n810? |
| 19:25.50 | Robot101 | you can build openedhand's poky for the N8x0, with just free software like matchbox/GPE stuff |
| 19:26.04 | Robot101 | also debian-maemo is doing that kind of thing too |
| 19:27.09 | danie2 | thank you. |
| 19:28.03 | danie2 | also I would like to know if there a program to sync the PIM with evolution? |
| 19:29.53 | pupnik | yes some ppl are doing that, search internettablettalk.com with terms gpe and evolution |
| 19:29.53 | pupnik | i think |
| 19:30.31 | danie2 | thank yu all for that tremendously helpfull info. I will start to look for buyng this device. |
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| 19:42.36 | pupnik | no numbers in dosbox is teh sux |
| 19:50.58 | pupnik | Test Drive 2 - 5 fps |
| 19:51.53 | pupnik | looks like the n810 is still pretty much limited to XT class games |
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| 20:00.24 | Xamusk | pupnik, someone said that it runs quake2 |
| 20:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | This is for dosbox, Xamusk. |
| 20:01.22 | pupnik | ooh wing commander might be playable |
| 20:01.40 | Xamusk | oh, I guess I got the train running |
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| 20:01.59 | Xamusk | what is dosbox? dos emulator? |
| 20:02.31 | Jon | yes, exactly |
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| 20:05.52 | pupnik | we need to set up a bounty of a few thousand dollars for whomever gets dynamic recompilation on dosbox in AMR |
| 20:06.45 | pupnik | 200 people @ 20 dollars? |
| 20:07.14 | darkip | What would be awesome would be injection drivers for the built in wireless |
| 20:07.20 | pupnik | that too |
| 20:08.26 | pupnik | or how about making it legal to provide an open wlan. that'd be nice |
| 20:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how many of the people begging for injection are actually using it for work-related penetration testing. . . . |
| 20:10.41 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: wild guess: maybe about half. |
| 20:10.50 | GeneralAntilles | That high? |
| 20:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | I don't agree. :P |
| 20:11.22 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: Feel free to guess better :) |
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| 20:12.57 | Lynoure | At least here seems quite common to do stuff like that for work or career, most of the nasties are a bit too lazy or low profile to beg |
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| 21:18.40 | pupnik | hmrmsz |
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| 21:32.48 | Tama^2 | zzzzzz |
| 21:35.16 | Tama^2 | hey folks |
| 21:35.40 | Tama^2 | anyone else got their N8x0 hosed by the rtcomm update |
| 21:35.49 | Tama^2 | of the 19th of Jan? |
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| 21:36.40 | pupnik | yes someone mentioned that yesterday |
| 21:36.49 | pupnik | reboot loop |
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| 21:37.34 | Tama^2 | it was me xD |
| 21:37.37 | Tama^2 | lol |
| 21:37.50 | pupnik | oh sorry |
| 21:37.56 | Tama^2 | well, back to pidgin for me ;) |
| 21:38.12 | pupnik | you are working on pidgin? |
| 21:38.34 | Tama^2 | no, I mean I am back to using pidgin :) |
| 21:38.46 | pupnik | instead of what? |
| 21:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm |
| 21:39.05 | Tama^2 | the builtin multiprotocol support |
| 21:39.10 | pupnik | ohh |
| 21:39.37 | pupnik | gah synthetic benchmarks are useless for dosbox |
| 21:40.05 | script | [announce] I just completed a beta-version of vpnc-gui including features like profile-support, auto-connect on specific IAPs and interactive-auth. (http://scriptkiller.de/pub/temp/chinook/vpnc-gui_0.4.0_armel.deb | http://scriptkiller.de/pub/temp/gregale/vpnc-gui_0.4.0_armel.deb) |
| 21:40.25 | zerojay | Funny... because both RTCOMM and Pidgin use libpurple for connecting, so... |
| 21:40.52 | zerojay | And it was me that got the reboot loop thanks to the RTCOMM update. |
| 21:41.10 | zerojay | I had to reflash... but after reflashing and installing the updates right away, it works fine, it seems. |
| 21:41.11 | Tama^2 | you are not the only one then |
| 21:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | Worked fine right off for me. |
| 21:41.29 | Tama^2 | I did not attempt that |
| 21:41.30 | zerojay | The new updates? |
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| 21:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:43.14 | Tama^2 | lucky you :P |
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| 21:44.20 | zerojay | Glad to see Jabber is starting to really make waves. |
| 21:44.30 | zerojay | AIM/ICQ going to switch to XMPP. |
| 21:44.41 | pupnik | doom.exe -timedemo demo3 = ~ 1.3 fps :( |
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| 21:48.20 | zerojay | Modest able to completely replace the default e-mail client yet? |
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| 21:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet. |
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| 22:09.59 | b0unc3 | wow... pokylinux rox :) |
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| 22:15.31 | Andy80 | zerojay: default email client sucks :( |
| 22:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, everybody knows. |
| 22:16.44 | Andy80 | zerojay: I tried to add my gmail account (telling it to download only last 50 email... because I've 15.000+ messages in my account), and it was always blocked :( |
| 22:17.01 | Andy80 | slow like a... bradipo :) |
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| 22:19.48 | Xamusk | pokylinux? can't peolpe stick to only one embedded system? |
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| 22:23.54 | pupnik | yeah it'd be nice if ITOS became some kind of new standard |
| 22:24.03 | zerojay | The default client suites me just fine. Does what I need. |
| 22:24.03 | pupnik | but then again, competition is also good |
| 22:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | If Ubuntu Mobile ever gets going . . . |
| 22:30.42 | jackster | Ubuntu Mobile seems like it's gonna be pretty similar to ITOS |
| 22:30.52 | jackster | apparently it's gonna use Maemo as the interface |
| 22:31.31 | jackster | which would probably mean a lot of the libs from ITOS get used on Ubuntu aswell |
| 22:32.15 | jackster | I was at a talk by Mark Shuttleworth a while ago at aKademy 2007 |
| 22:32.45 | jackster | he was saying how Internet Tablets seem like the sort of place where Linux could become the standard operating which people expect, like how they expect windows on a computer |
| 22:32.49 | hugolp | http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 |
| 22:33.14 | Andy80 | I really would like to see ubuntu mobile on my tablet :) |
| 22:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | jackster, you mean matchbox/hildon |
| 22:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | maemo is the development environment |
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| 22:33.35 | Xamusk | I would like to have a tablet :( |
| 22:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | Then go and buy one. :P |
| 22:33.49 | jackster | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 22:34.45 | hugolp | new nokia S60 touch found? |
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| 22:35.11 | jackster | http://home.kde.org/~akademy07/videos/1-06-Keynote-Shuttleworth.ogg |
| 22:35.38 | Xamusk | I want to... but here's too expensive and I still didn't find a good way to ship one to here |
| 22:35.52 | jackster | that's the speech by shuttleworth, sorry bout the video freezing up quite often |
| 22:36.07 | |tbb| | anyone got wirelesstools installed |
| 22:36.18 | Xamusk | I mean, who would pay the equivalent of around $750 for a N800 |
| 22:36.18 | Xamusk | ? |
| 22:36.53 | zerojay | People that want one in your country, apparently. |
| 22:38.03 | Xamusk | yes |
| 22:39.09 | Xamusk | but my budget is pretty low, and I don't really want to pay that for something I see for less than $230 at some stores |
| 22:39.15 | b0unc3 | also mamona looks very very nice :) |
| 22:39.55 | lcuk_2 | Print out a picture of a nokia n8x0 and pretend you have one until you get enough money to get a real one |
| 22:40.02 | hugolp | who choosed the name of "mamona"? |
| 22:40.18 | hugolp | mamona means "sucker girl" in spanish |
| 22:40.19 | hugolp | XD |
| 22:40.34 | b0unc3 | hugolp: indt I suppose :) |
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| 22:49.35 | Xamusk | mamona is a fruit |
| 22:49.44 | Xamusk | or something like a fruit |
| 22:50.20 | Xamusk | actually, it looks like the O in the mamona logo |
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| 22:51.19 | Lynoure | "Mamona (sometimes also Mamuna) is a synonim for Mammon - demon described in New Testament as a demon of wealth and greed" |
| 22:52.10 | hugolp | Lynoure: I guess a "sucker girl" could be described as a demon of wealth and greed XD |
| 22:52.27 | hugolp | honestly mamona is spanish means sucker girl, thats why it shocked me |
| 22:52.47 | Xamusk | actually, INdT, Nokia's institute of technology is here in Brazil... that's who launched mamona |
| 22:52.50 | Lynoure | hugolp: heh, though I have no idea what "sucker girl" actually means |
| 22:53.12 | hugolp | Lynoure: a girl that sucks |
| 22:53.27 | hugolp | sucks in the meaning of the thing you do with the libs |
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| 22:54.44 | Lynoure | compile first springs to mind as a think to do with libs :) But I'm an innocent geek. |
| 22:55.15 | Tama^2 | mammona in italian means: a girl heavily dependent on her mother... |
| 22:55.44 | Tama^2 | yeah I though about linking the "liBs" |
| 22:56.00 | Xamusk | damn... |
| 22:56.01 | Lynoure | Tama^2: sounds like Finnish maamo (which I always think of when I see maemo written) |
| 22:56.04 | Tama^2 | but it does not sound naughty at all |
| 22:56.08 | Lynoure | Tama^2: but can be any gender. |
| 22:56.12 | Xamusk | I just found out I lived near one of the INdT offices |
| 22:56.18 | Xamusk | damn |
| 22:56.57 | Lynoure | Xamusk: isn't that... well... good? |
| 22:57.11 | Tama^2 | Lynoure: :) in italian you change the ending of the word to convey the different gender. In this case mammonE (boy) / mammonA (girl) |
| 22:57.28 | Xamusk | Lynoure, not if the verb is in the past |
| 22:57.57 | Lynoure | hmm, should try evince. :) |
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| 22:58.12 | Tama^2 | petergunn: this is IRC, what were you expecting? people to be on topic? :P |
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| 22:58.48 | petergunn | usually is just geeks complaining about people not talking about Gtk |
| 22:58.55 | Xamusk | Where does the name Mamona come from? ΒΆ |
| 22:58.55 | Xamusk | In Brazilian Portuguese Mamona means the castor oil plant, the source of oil and biodiesel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_bean |
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| 23:11.12 | b0unc3 | uhm... no vkb on mamona... that's bad.. |
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| 23:29.23 | pupnik | ok last frreakin attempt at a faster build tonight |
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| 23:30.27 | lcuk_2 | still on dosbox |
| 23:31.56 | lcuk_2 | for a python/gtk app is it possible to invert all colors (as a quick app specific option) of the theme. big white buttons look awful i want them dark with light text in them |
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| 23:38.28 | hugolp | canola looks good actually, does anybody know if it has upnp? |
| 23:40.38 | darkip | Don't think so but don't quote me on that |
| 23:41.21 | tank-man | <darkip> Don't think so but don't quote me on that |
| 23:41.35 | darkip | Lol... |
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| 23:42.44 | hugolp | XD |
| 23:45.07 | k-s | hugolp: not yet |
| 23:45.22 | k-s | hugolp: we'll provide it as an open source plugin (some day) :-D |
| 23:45.36 | hugolp | k-s: canola is written in python right? |
| 23:45.45 | hugolp | you could use coherence |
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| 23:47.10 | darkip | Why are you after upnp anyways |
| 23:47.37 | hugolp | darkip: cause I have a upnp server? |
| 23:48.17 | darkip | Hmm, spose that was a pretty dumb question :p |
| 23:49.13 | k-s | hugolp: yes, python |
| 23:49.19 | k-s | yes, we could use coherence |
| 23:49.37 | k-s | but the plugin will use BRisa, a similar project, with the same roots (based on same libs/code) |
| 23:50.01 | k-s | the reason is because brisa is developed by an university that is partner of indt, they're doing the plugin |
| 23:50.09 | hugolp | I c |
| 23:50.23 | k-s | however I already talked to dev, he can see how it's done and provide coherence as well |
| 23:50.31 | k-s | we'd like as much plugins as possible |
| 23:50.38 | k-s | maybe youtube integration, etc |
| 23:52.01 | hugolp | and will canola accept plugins at some point? |
| 23:52.14 | k-s | hugolp: actually everything is a plugin |
| 23:52.22 | k-s | already |
| 23:52.32 | k-s | we just need to iron the apis and doc them |
| 23:52.39 | hugolp | good then |
| 23:52.48 | k-s | we have the basics done, but needs a bit more work |
| 23:53.01 | k-s | we're trying to publish that version and now bugfixes |
| 23:53.15 | hugolp | any link or blog where I can check for updates? |
| 23:53.36 | k-s | then we'll try to write some new plugins and see if we can fit or need extensions, do and then users should get som free software examples |
| 23:54.07 | k-s | hugolp: just read planet maemo, or blog from indt guys |
| 23:54.07 | k-s | like me: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br |
| 23:54.17 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile thanks to the people who made the oprofile docs |
| 23:54.28 | k-s | but I'm not posting too much "marketing and news" lately, just tech posts |
| 23:54.45 | hugolp | yeah, read your blog from the efl maemo page |
| 23:54.51 | k-s | kenneth (http://codeposts.blogspot.com/) is more like that |
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| 23:55.25 | hugolp | k-s: btw how can I make canola load album and artist images? |
| 23:55.36 | k-s | artist? |
| 23:56.20 | hugolp | yeah, musicians? |
| 23:56.39 | hugolp | load the cover images |
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