| 00:00.48 | Lynoure | I'm assuming that's a good thing? :) |
| 00:00.48 | Dashiad | but then, login, complains about not being able to redirect a command to /dev/null (it's chmod-ed to 666) |
| 00:01.43 | Dashiad | Um..i cant login :-P |
| 00:02.02 | Dashiad | I'm trying to find which tar command is complaining when creating the devices |
| 00:02.33 | Lynoure | hmm, could you maybe now show me what the resulting null node looks like, with ls -l? |
| 00:03.20 | Lynoure | I would not put it beyond me to forget stuff at this hour... (damn processes needing babysitting at ungodly hours) |
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| 00:04.05 | Lynoure | I think in about whole 5min I'll go and get some sleep anyway |
| 00:05.06 | Dashiad | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 158 Jan 19 00:17 null |
| 00:05.18 | Lynoure | missing a c... |
| 00:05.22 | Dashiad | Full contents (the 158 bytes) |
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| 00:05.24 | Dashiad | Sure |
| 00:05.27 | Dashiad | because that null |
| 00:05.30 | Dashiad | has been created |
| 00:05.33 | Dashiad | as result |
| 00:05.38 | Dashiad | of a failing tar command |
| 00:05.58 | Lynoure | so, you did not try creating it by hand... |
| 00:05.58 | Dashiad | so 2> /dev/null is, somehow, creating it |
| 00:06.06 | Dashiad | i did |
| 00:06.14 | Dashiad | i'm showing you |
| 00:06.18 | Dashiad | the original null file |
| 00:06.24 | Dashiad | the install created |
| 00:06.32 | Dashiad | The one created by hand looks like |
| 00:06.50 | Dashiad | crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 19 00:59 |
| 00:06.52 | Dashiad | it's a node |
| 00:06.55 | Lynoure | oh, I thought you meant you had the redirect problem even with the handmade |
| 00:06.59 | Dashiad | and i chmoed it to 777 |
| 00:07.07 | Dashiad | with the hand made |
| 00:07.09 | Dashiad | i can |
| 00:07.12 | Dashiad | sbox_ctl start |
| 00:07.16 | Dashiad | but cant login |
| 00:07.22 | Dashiad | when login |
| 00:07.27 | Dashiad | it says permission denied |
| 00:07.32 | Lynoure | You type like an angry person, sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way |
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| 00:08.04 | Lynoure | Good night, good luck, too. |
| 00:13.21 | Dashiad | thank you! |
| 00:14.11 | Dashiad | No,lol, i'm typing like a person-with-his-gf-at-his-side so i cant type long phrases, lol |
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| 00:18.38 | jebw | I'm trying to build a package for os2008, it all works fine but the files are owned by my uid (on my desktop), not root - how do I change this? |
| 00:18.52 | jebw | I can't sudo and fakeroot doesn't actually change the ownership? |
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| 00:19.28 | sp3000 | fakeroot fakes it for stuff you run with it |
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| 00:20.42 | jebw | figured so - hence why it wasn't actually changing the owner ship. How do i actually change the ownership in the scratchbox environment? |
| 00:20.46 | sp3000 | like, say, the command building the package |
| 00:20.54 | sp3000 | why? |
| 00:21.04 | pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:21.16 | pupnik | ? |
| 00:21.16 | jebw | ok - I'm building with dpkg-deb --build |
| 00:21.23 | sp3000 | pfft short answers :P |
| 00:21.27 | jebw | i've got my tree of files, all owned by me |
| 00:21.37 | sp3000 | |fakeroot dpkg-deb --build| will probably do it then |
| 00:22.23 | jebw | ok will give that a shot |
| 00:22.48 | sp3000 | you don't actually need anything root owned, just that the package building process sees root owned (not really) files |
| 00:23.03 | sp3000 | which fakeroot helps with |
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| 00:27.32 | jebw | kerching! Thanks sp300 |
| 00:27.34 | jebw | 0 |
| 00:27.54 | jebw | Theres now a working bzr package for os2008 |
| 00:28.18 | jebw | whats the best way to host one of these things - currently its just a deb linked off've my blog |
| 00:29.06 | pupnik | mud-builder probably |
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| 00:39.39 | jebw | If I wanted to create my own repository - what do I need to do (more likely the bzr guys will want to host it on their site) |
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| 00:57.11 | s0up | ping |
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| 01:01.01 | Tama^2 | pong |
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| 01:12.06 | niteOw1 | I've been googling but found very little trace of any project like this - Anyone considered using the skyhookwireless.com service to add wi-fi based location awareness to the N800 |
| 01:15.31 | s0up | Thanks Tama^2 |
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| 02:14.58 | trevarthan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.14 | trevarthan | Using that vmware scratchbox and it's got network everywhere except inside scratchbox itself. |
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| 02:20.56 | johnx | trevarthan, is it just DNS? or can you not even ping IPs? |
| 02:23.52 | trevarthan | johnx: unfortunately, scratchbox has no ping command. :( |
| 02:24.06 | trevarthan | so I don't really know. |
| 02:24.12 | johnx | hmm |
| 02:24.52 | johnx | look at /etc/nsswitch.conf from inside scratchbox |
| 02:25.29 | trevarthan | mkay. looks normal |
| 02:26.24 | johnx | also try looking at /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf from outside scratchbox |
| 02:26.41 | johnx | they're actually different files... |
| 02:27.24 | trevarthan | yeah, seems to be a dns issue as I get the temporary failure message when trying to use svn |
| 02:27.29 | trevarthan | checking outside file now |
| 02:28.05 | trevarthan | don't know what I'm looking for. looks normalish |
| 02:28.10 | johnx | does it? |
| 02:28.15 | johnx | hmm |
| 02:28.38 | johnx | I know I had a problem with it at some point and I've heard others did as well but it might have been a different version of the maemo SDK |
| 02:29.02 | trevarthan | the one inside is much more verbose. let me try overwriting it |
| 02:29.47 | johnx | the hosts like should just be: |
| 02:29.47 | johnx | hosts: files dns |
| 02:30.09 | trevarthan | yeah. it is. didn't help. |
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| 02:38.52 | trevarthan | fixed it |
| 02:39.16 | trevarthan | johnx: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/ |
| 02:39.33 | trevarthan | got the fix from here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-6332.html |
| 02:41.58 | johnx | good deal |
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| 03:02.18 | trevarthan | anyone have a deb for libwpeditor-plus-dev? |
| 03:02.29 | trevarthan | seems to be awol in my scratchbox |
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| 03:35.37 | johnx | trevarthan, it should be available in the repository |
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| 05:20.03 | K-Fox | do n810 gps support in japan ? |
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| 05:49.55 | zoran | any1 using perl to connect to libssl on gregale? |
| 05:50.44 | tank-man | K-Fox, gps is worldwide |
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| 05:54.32 | K-Fox | tank-man : really? wow it's a great device |
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| 06:40.13 | Lynoure | morning, czr |
| 06:40.31 | czr | hey Lynoure :-). morning indeed. |
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| 07:33.46 | K-Fox | because of morning , all is quiet? |
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| 07:34.10 | johnx | i don't know |
| 07:34.16 | johnx | it is very quiet though |
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| 07:35.23 | rm_you | Someone accept my garage request!!! |
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| 07:41.22 | czr | you want your oil changed sir? |
| 07:41.33 | johnx | he's asleep |
| 07:41.36 | johnx | might as well go for it |
| 07:41.44 | johnx | just charge him when he wakes up :) |
| 07:42.02 | czr | nah, I'm testing new prototype oil, can't charge for that :-) |
| 07:42.34 | czr | it's made out of compressed maemo developer souls |
| 07:43.21 | johnx | sounds envigorating |
| 07:45.10 | czr | I haven't yet tested it on human subjects, we'll have to see. |
| 07:45.23 | czr | you'd better ask him when he wakes up |
| 07:45.31 | johnx | meh |
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| 07:46.38 | czr | OT. hmm. any experience with openssl performace on x86-64? aka, is it any faster when the CPU is running in long mode (64-bit) vs 32-bit one. |
| 07:46.49 | czr | (for SSL usage) |
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| 07:48.33 | czr | ah, seems so, at least for RSA |
| 07:49.24 | Lynoure | czr: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/5768/Are_64-bit_Binaries_Really_Slower_than_32-bit_Binaries_/page2/ might be interesting too |
| 07:49.53 | Lynoure | though I did not read it enough to check relevance :) |
| 07:50.19 | czr | yeah, maybe you should have, it's for sparc ;-) |
| 07:50.31 | czr | I found some other info off google though, so no problem :-) |
| 07:50.44 | czr | the RSA stuff in long mode is at least 100% faster |
| 07:50.48 | czr | which makes sense. |
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| 07:55.24 | [pablo] | so that's weird, the power and keylock buttons on my n810 just stopped working for no reason |
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| 08:03.44 | [pablo] | can anyone think of anything that might cause my n810 to constantly think it was still open, even when it's closed? |
| 08:04.53 | johnx | I don't have an N810 but my old zaurus 5500 with pullout keyboard would get confused if the contacts got dirty |
| 08:06.01 | [pablo] | i don't see any contacts =/ |
| 08:06.24 | johnx | I figured it was a long shot |
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| 08:09.33 | DeLe0n | any news of the US discount codes? |
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| 09:40.46 | Cptnodegard | hmm |
| 09:40.54 | Cptnodegard | maemo need a screenshot library |
| 09:41.06 | Cptnodegard | searching ITT shows a lot of info, but never any screenshots |
| 09:41.16 | Cptnodegard | for various aps |
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| 12:05.55 | kulve | use my screen grabber :) |
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| 12:11.24 | sp3000 | heh, desktop snap grid customization |
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| 12:13.01 | LoCusF | damn damn damn |
| 12:13.08 | LoCusF | now my n810 is in a reboot loop |
| 12:13.47 | pupnik | wow |
| 12:13.47 | johnx | sometimes I think the watchdog was not the smartest move on Nokia's part ... |
| 12:14.31 | sp3000 | meh, you want a watch-giraffe instead? |
| 12:14.41 | sp3000 | that'd be weird. |
| 12:14.44 | johnx | can I get a zebra? |
| 12:14.51 | pupnik | The watchdog can be disabled by way of the no-retu-wd flag accessible from the flasher tool |
| 12:15.37 | pupnik | LoCusF: did you reflash the device with flasher 2.0? |
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| 12:22.01 | tubtub | Hi, has anyone played with serial comms over bluetooth? |
| 12:22.28 | LoCusF | pupnik: yeah, just did |
| 12:22.39 | LoCusF | pupnik: now I got my fingers crossed that it boots up again |
| 12:23.52 | pupnik | you should use flasher 3.0 |
| 12:25.30 | LoCusF | pupnik: well heck flasher-3.0 :) :) |
| 12:25.43 | LoCusF | ./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 12:27.31 | pupnik | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_changes.html |
| 12:27.36 | tubtub | I did that and it worked fine so u should be ok |
| 12:27.50 | pupnik | gives a good sense of how much development nokia actively does for these things |
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| 12:29.45 | pupnik | what's the problem with watchdog johnx? |
| 12:29.50 | LoCusF | damn newer backup was corrupted |
| 12:30.45 | johnx | pupnik, I ran into it after trying to mess around with gstreamer plugins. My N800 let me boot to the desktop but then immediately rebooted |
| 12:31.31 | johnx | Luckily I had already switched to booting from SD, so it was a simple matter to remove the offending plugin and reboot |
| 12:32.27 | johnx | In some cases I feel like watchdog's "overreaction" makes a situation worse |
| 12:33.12 | pupnik | ah what is purpose of watchdog? |
| 12:34.09 | johnx | pupnik, as far as I understand: it watches several "important" programs and if they don't respond every 60 seconds to say they are running then watchdog reboots the system |
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| 13:19.55 | ccooke | Hmm. Any known problems with internet use over bluetooth on OS2008? |
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| 13:21.08 | ccooke | since the last OS2008 update, bluetooth has worked fine for everything else - I can connect to the phone to send and receive files etc. |
| 13:21.40 | ccooke | But when I try to connect to the internet via the phone, I get an instant "Internet connection failed" message - doesn't appear to be trying to connect at all! |
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| 13:31.56 | LoCusF | ccooke: I had that problem once |
| 13:32.07 | LoCusF | ccooke: I needed to do a reflash to fix it :/ |
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| 13:33.58 | ccooke | ah ha. |
| 13:34.03 | ccooke | Well, guess I can do that :-) |
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| 13:35.59 | Spouize | Hi |
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| 13:39.46 | GNUtoN810 | Hi! |
| 13:49.48 | johnx | hi |
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| 13:59.24 | GNUtoN810 | I packaged qt4 for maemo,and i created the .install file, but it doesn't work. I don't understand why! The file is in the qt4.maemo.garage.org. |
| 13:59.43 | GNUtoN810 | Has anyone any idea? |
| 14:00.08 | alterego | Maybe your control file isn't right. |
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| 14:00.40 | alterego | Then again .. What does "it doesn't work" mean? |
| 14:01.15 | GNUtoN810 | My n810 tell me that the oackage is not valid. |
| 14:01.25 | GNUtoN810 | S/o/p |
| 14:01.43 | johnx | if you try it from the command line what happens? |
| 14:01.50 | alterego | Okay, in your control file what section have you put the library under? |
| 14:03.37 | alterego | Hmmm ... |
| 14:03.47 | GNUtoN810 | The control file section is libs |
| 14:04.04 | alterego | I wish libraries wouldn't show up in the application catalog |
| 14:04.26 | alterego | GNUtoN810, that's not a valid "maemo"£ section |
| 14:05.37 | GNUtoN810 | Where i can see the list of valid maemo sections? |
| 14:05.43 | alterego | Change it to 'user/libs' |
| 14:06.12 | GNUtoN810 | Ok. |
| 14:08.31 | lcuk_2 | is there anything i can get to record cpu/process stats over a time period - ie whilst idle with screen, using a full screen app and then whilst locked. and then view them after? |
| 14:10.13 | lcuk_2 | when i was waiting for my 810 to arrive i saw someone with a bootlogging kernel module that did pretty much what i am after but i cant for the life of me find out what it was |
| 14:10.51 | pupnik | fanoush on ITT forums might be a good search term for you lcuk_2 |
| 14:11.41 | lcuk_2 | thanks pupnik but i think fanoush will result in 7gazzilion results ;) ill carry on searching and see what i can find |
| 14:13.32 | johnx | lcuk_2, how about a script that calls 'top -n1 > log.txt' |
| 14:15.04 | lcuk_2 | i was thinking about that, ill give it a go. ive been using the load-applet and it shows desktop running at 5-10% all the time, im not sure if thats because of the applet itself running or not. |
| 14:16.01 | johnx | while true ; do top -n1 >> log.txt ; sleep 30 ; done |
| 14:16.48 | lcuk_2 | thanks john, no point in running it too often else it will tie itself up |
| 14:17.01 | johnx | very true |
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| 14:17.42 | lcuk_2 | i just want to know if my battery problem is because I am leaving fbreader running when i go to sleep |
| 14:18.00 | johnx | actually, you might be better off just doing top -d60 -n0 instead of the while loop |
| 14:18.30 | lcuk_2 | i just lock it and leave it.whats the d? |
| 14:18.39 | johnx | delay I think :) |
| 14:18.55 | lcuk_2 | fairenough |
| 14:19.41 | johnx | yeah, delay in seconds |
| 14:19.50 | johnx | more busybox manuals, if you're interested: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html |
| 14:20.08 | ccooke | ... Okay, that worried me |
| 14:20.56 | ccooke | powerlaunch on the n810 appears to disable the lock and power button... |
| 14:21.37 | alterego | Cool |
| 14:22.00 | lcuk_2 | johnx, thanks - i didnt realise everything was in one exe. makes sense though |
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| 14:39.00 | lcuk_2 | am i right in thinking i cannot set a script in /media/mmc2 to root executable because its a users' partition? |
| 14:39.36 | alterego | lcuk_2, no, you can't set a script in /media/mmc2 because it's a fat partition that doesn't have permissions. |
| 14:40.01 | alterego | The fat filesystem doesn't have the ability to set ownership or permissions on files. |
| 14:40.04 | lcuk_2 | i knew there was a reason for it just didnt know why |
| 14:40.18 | alterego | :) |
| 14:40.24 | alterego | Or format your drives to ext2 ;) |
| 14:40.58 | lcuk_2 | that would be a pain unless there is an inplace shuffle |
| 14:41.25 | lcuk_2 | and also - wouldnt that prevent me from reading them when i plug in usb on win*spit* |
| 14:42.21 | johnx | not really, there is an ext2 driver for win |
| 14:43.14 | lcuk_2 | yer but that depends upon adding it to every machine i could plug it into, ill just stick with simplest and move it |
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| 14:51.29 | lcuk_2 | johnx, thanks for input. i am logging now and will process later :) while true ; do date >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; top -n1 >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; sleep 5 ; done |
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| 15:02.16 | mikemx | Seem i just trashed my n8xx with the recent rtcomm update (twice). It ended in a reboot loop and i had to flash it. Did the beta work for others? |
| 15:03.52 | LoCusF | mikemx: nope |
| 15:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | Not a bad guide to bug reporting: http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2008/01/18/the-bug-reporting-culture-10-things-to-avoid-10-things-you-must-do/ |
| 15:14.09 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, speaking of bugs, the fbreader bug was fixed and updated :) |
| 15:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | .8.12? |
| 15:14.59 | lcuk_2 | yer |
| 15:15.11 | lcuk_2 | .8.11 looping pages thing is solved in .12 |
| 15:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | Those FBReader guys are great. |
| 15:16.16 | lcuk_2 | yer, very responsive, and as a bonus i found out that even installing the old version from a .deb on my MMC managed to include it in the check for updates list :) |
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| 15:16.24 | lcuk_2 | i was under the impression it wasnt |
| 15:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | Huh, interesting. |
| 15:17.31 | lcuk_2 | yer - i uninstalled it (it was originally installed from the repo) and installed manually from the deb, so was expecting to have to uninstall and grab from repo. it wasnt needed. |
| 15:18.03 | lcuk_2 | either that, or the uninstall first time failed to clean out everything |
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| 15:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering if the fact that FBReader uses zlibrary invalidates all those portrait mode arguments about maemo. |
| 15:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, probably not. |
| 15:19.45 | GeneralAntilles | I installed GPE-Sudoku through a .deb and it was in the restoration list when I updated to OS2008 final. |
| 15:20.02 | lcuk_2 | fair enough, it must match UIDs internally |
| 15:21.37 | lcuk_2 | rendering rotated via the zlib is quite slow for full color. i wonder if a nice monochrome reader could be made super quick (with kinetic scrolling) on maemo |
| 15:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's the LCD controller. |
| 15:22.45 | lcuk_2 | yer but its got enough bandwidth for 25fps video at 12bit planes, lower bitplanes = less data transfer = faster updates - as long as its palette based it will work |
| 15:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | True enough |
| 15:23.52 | lcuk_2 | for normal books theres no point in sending over a full color image for every frame. it just would not work well for full color html type books |
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| 15:25.23 | lcuk_2 | ive just done some cpu logging on the device for when reading books and locking the device. i suspect its possibly leaving the book reader on fullscreen that is draining my battery |
| 15:25.49 | lcuk_2 | ive logged with and without and am processing the results |
| 15:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | I minimize everything when I lock. |
| 15:27.13 | pupnik | ahh good poitn |
| 15:27.25 | lcuk_2 | minimise needs me to click to make it normal, click to minimise then slide to lock. its more work than just slide to lock |
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| 15:27.44 | pupnik | that'd be a nice option/ feature to auto-minimize all when locking |
| 15:27.44 | lcuk_2 | especially when sleepy |
| 15:27.51 | lcuk_2 | yer it would |
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| 15:28.18 | pupnik | anyone up to making it a feature request on bugtracker? |
| 15:28.41 | zoran | few stylus moves could do that |
| 15:28.46 | lcuk_2 | not yet, i will prove to myself first that it is having a noticable battery effect by leaving things fullscreen |
| 15:29.25 | zoran | or measuring idle time to do what some script does |
| 15:29.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds rather hard to implement, too. |
| 15:29.43 | lcuk_2 | arent programs meant to sleep when osso tells them device is locked? |
| 15:30.03 | lcuk_2 | maybe fbreader isnt listening for the events (because its cross platform) |
| 15:30.14 | zoran | the system has it's own background jobs and nothing could be as the human sees it |
| 15:30.58 | lcuk_2 | lol @ all the programs coming out and partying once the screen goes off |
| 15:31.13 | lcuk_2 | "thank god hes gone, woooooo hoooooooo" |
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| 15:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | Like a bunch of ungrateful teenagers drinking my booze and eating my food. |
| 15:42.28 | lcuk_2 | and scaring the neighbours and throwing rocks at police cars and partying on the beach |
| 15:42.28 | sp3000 | lcuk_2: long home press will minimize everything |
| 15:42.28 | pupnik | ty sp3000 |
| 15:42.28 | pupnik | did not know that! |
| 15:42.28 | lcuk_2 | thanks sp3000 |
| 15:43.24 | lcuk_2 | right, im gonna redo this log now including testing the minimised everything |
| 15:45.03 | lcuk_2 | as long as i do it right ill let you lot know later what the results are :) |
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| 16:30.12 | jackster | hmmm |
| 16:30.21 | jackster | anyone know if OS 2008 uses a tickless kernel? |
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| 16:32.43 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 16:32.52 | GeneralAntilles | jackster, I want to say yes |
| 16:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | but I don't have a damn clue |
| 16:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just thinking about the power presentation that's on maemo.org |
| 16:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184097560.html |
| 16:33.51 | jackster | GeneralAntilles: It's just I remember this tickless kernel idea being one of the big new features in ubuntu 7.10 and figured it would be something useful for an internet tablet |
| 16:34.57 | GeneralAntilles | That slideshow may reveal more. |
| 16:35.14 | jackster | cool thanks |
| 16:37.09 | jackster | it seems that it supports 'Dynamic Tick' but according to that presentation they want to move to a Tickless kernel in the future |
| 16:37.11 | jackster | interesting |
| 16:37.53 | zoran | jackster, r u sure every cpu could do that? |
| 16:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | That's a pre-OS2008 presentation |
| 16:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | So that may be true now. |
| 16:38.31 | jackster | hmm could be |
| 16:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of that power stuff is related to the CPU scaling we have with OS2008 now. |
| 16:38.58 | jackster | zoran: that's a good question, but the presentation seemed to suggest they thought it was possible |
| 16:38.59 | wumpus | the power saving of tickless is really minimal, at least on x86 |
| 16:39.20 | zoran | jackster, I recall that for new ibm chip, or whatever it is |
| 16:40.16 | jackster | I suppose it partly depends on how much of the energy usage of the device is by the CPU |
| 16:40.33 | zoran | if you ask me, the power to maintain the whole system is consuming more than cpu |
| 16:40.49 | jackster | yeah |
| 16:41.00 | jackster | still, every little helps |
| 16:41.15 | zoran | on bsd I recall an option to exclude power to devices not included in kernel |
| 16:41.43 | maddler | anyone using latest RTCOMM OS2008 beta? |
| 16:41.53 | zoran | so, cause I have no usb as default, no power to usb ports |
| 16:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | maddler, yes |
| 16:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | I've not noticed any difference. |
| 16:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | jackster, the real power hog is the backlight |
| 16:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's something like 50% of total power usage. |
| 16:44.02 | zoran | so, anticipating the screen output would save the power |
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| 16:44.33 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: beside installing last update killed my device... :) |
| 16:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | The one from two days ago? |
| 16:45.23 | jackster | I suppose it depends on what the user uses their device for most, whether they have it in their pocket listening to music throguh earphones with the screen off or with the screen on watching movies all the time as to what will be the biggest power hog |
| 16:46.44 | zoran | hm, the usage is the goal, power saving if possible, I think |
| 16:47.29 | zoran | is there any difference if the device is powered down when not used? |
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| 16:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | zoran, do you mean, does it use less power when it's off? |
| 16:49.51 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: right |
| 16:49.55 | zoran | GA, :) |
| 16:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | Installed fine over here, maddler. |
| 16:50.17 | zoran | I assume that power on/off takes some power more than at idle |
| 16:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on how long it's at idle. |
| 16:50.44 | zoran | I take it down, when I'm not using it, must to confess |
| 16:50.54 | michele__ | maddler: killed in what way? |
| 16:51.01 | zoran | why should it live it's own life? |
| 16:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 16:51.21 | zoran | it's not a server as I see it |
| 16:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | Power cycling them all the time is definitely not the way they were designed to be used. |
| 16:51.35 | zoran | cheap consumer electronics |
| 16:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | ARM is incredibly efficient at idling. |
| 16:51.59 | zoran | 770, btw |
| 16:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | Still |
| 16:52.13 | zoran | I liek it |
| 16:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | The 770's powersaving isn't as awesome as the N800's. |
| 16:52.35 | zoran | and cannot say a good reason to buy another one |
| 16:53.03 | zoran | I mostly use it as I use desktop |
| 16:53.17 | zoran | to ssh and handle mail |
| 16:53.36 | zoran | btw, gregale has no openssl front end |
| 16:53.44 | zoran | just libssl |
| 16:54.09 | zoran | the only thing that makes me thinking about 2007he |
| 16:54.47 | maddler | michele__: it will boot... and right after hands are shown, white screen and then reboot |
| 16:55.00 | michele__ | maddler: ok, same symptoms here |
| 16:55.03 | maddler | even on a fresh install |
| 16:55.17 | maddler | :| |
| 16:55.29 | zoran | maddler. looks like the shell is not found |
| 16:55.44 | zoran | or the root fs |
| 16:55.54 | michele__ | maddler: now I reflashed it, haven't installed rtcomm beta and it seems to work fine |
| 16:56.23 | michele__ | at first I tought my new SD card was failing |
| 16:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Not even the crazy number of applications HE gives you? |
| 16:56.37 | michele__ | but I've been using it all the morning |
| 16:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Or the speedup? :P |
| 16:56.43 | zoran | GA, like what? |
| 16:57.02 | zoran | I like mutt, links, irssi... |
| 16:57.07 | zoran | and have them all |
| 16:57.33 | zoran | hm, speed up? |
| 16:57.40 | zoran | the kernel should be the same |
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| 17:02.20 | maddler | michele__: I have tried installing on a fresh install and it keeps rebooting... :( |
| 17:02.42 | zoran | maddler, what if you remove the memory card? |
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| 17:03.12 | maddler | the memory card? |
| 17:03.20 | zoran | yep |
| 17:03.31 | zoran | mmc or whatever |
| 17:03.47 | maddler | yup... just can't see the reason :) |
| 17:03.52 | maddler | trying anyway... :D |
| 17:03.59 | maddler | before a new reflash :) |
| 17:04.04 | zoran | maybe you tweaked something to load from it\ |
| 17:04.12 | maddler | no :) |
| 17:04.22 | maddler | I only installed RFCOMM on a fresh install |
| 17:04.22 | michele_ | in fact, it worked fine until I inserted the card |
| 17:04.29 | zoran | battery full? |
| 17:04.52 | maddler | yes... |
| 17:05.00 | maddler | btw... it rebooted anyway... |
| 17:05.00 | zoran | home button pressed? |
| 17:05.15 | maddler | zoran: tried already :) |
| 17:05.18 | zoran | k |
| 17:05.25 | zoran | n810? |
| 17:05.29 | maddler | zoran: right |
| 17:05.43 | zoran | maybe the device has some damage |
| 17:05.48 | michele_ | me too |
| 17:06.08 | zoran | what if you reflash older version? |
| 17:06.23 | zoran | the vanilla one |
| 17:06.57 | maddler | zoran: I don't really need RTCOMM beta... I can go back using pidgin after all... |
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| 17:07.40 | zoran | make it work anyhow |
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| 17:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it works fine for me. |
| 17:09.07 | zoran | blondes? |
| 17:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is bloaty and stupid on the tablets. |
| 17:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | Eats up valuable taskbar space. |
| 17:09.36 | zoran | im or irc? |
| 17:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, IM. |
| 17:09.51 | GeneralAntilles | I use xchat for IRC. |
| 17:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | Since both Pidgin and rtcomm are woefully underfeatured for IRC. |
| 17:10.03 | zoran | irssi is low profile |
| 17:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, xchat works better on the tablet for me. |
| 17:10.20 | zoran | centericq is also low profile |
| 17:13.12 | maddler | I'd prefer using rtcomm instead of pidgin... but as of now I have no choice :) |
| 17:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be nice when it comes out of beta and Pidgin can go away entirely. |
| 17:15.13 | michele_ | I bet there will be people that still want pidgin |
| 17:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously |
| 17:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | but not having people recommend it to new users will make me happy. |
| 17:15.49 | pupnik | yes me too |
| 17:15.54 | pupnik | i finally tried it and hated it for irc |
| 17:16.04 | pupnik | the ui is totally derived from the internal class structure |
| 17:16.21 | pupnik | which makes it logical for the programmer but useless for the IRC-wanting-to-use-user |
| 17:17.09 | Veggen | for me, it's not logical that IRC is IM either :) |
| 17:17.40 | zoran | teh same target group |
| 17:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | Be neat if rtcomm actually gets their IRC support up to a dedicated-IRC-client–like level. |
| 17:17.57 | zoran | swuiss army knife |
| 17:18.30 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: true |
| 17:18.37 | alterego | Well, it's hard to do that. As they're trying to abstract common chat functions for each protocol. |
| 17:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I very much doubt it will happen |
| 17:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | It would just be nice. |
| 17:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | xchat works really well, so I'm happy. |
| 17:19.52 | alterego | I've not really used xchat on the device. |
| 17:20.00 | michele_ | ok, call me dumb but I can't find it... where is xchat for os2008? |
| 17:20.04 | alterego | I found configuring it was a pain as the dialogs weren't completely sorted. |
| 17:20.08 | maddler | btw... going to reflash for the third time today... :) |
| 17:20.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:20.29 | zoran | maddler, checked md5? |
| 17:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 17:20.50 | michele_ | thanks |
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| 17:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | That needs to go into Extras |
| 17:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of pulling the link out of my ass for all comers. :P |
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| 17:21.34 | michele_ | GeneralAntilles: especially since it's impossible to find on google... |
| 17:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | skyhusker chinook xchat |
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| 17:22.00 | michele_ | maemo xchat gives no clue |
| 17:22.02 | pupnik | still a few text-input problems with the beta |
| 17:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tempted to put it in the topic. |
| 17:22.15 | michele_ | and nobody will ever search for "skyhusker" :) |
| 17:22.17 | pupnik | also copy/paste |
| 17:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, those problems are OS-related. |
| 17:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | They're just mildly more pronounced in xchat than anywhere else. |
| 17:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | tap'n'hold seems to work fine for copy/paste. |
| 17:23.08 | pupnik | hmm |
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| 17:23.17 | pupnik | and how about pasting text into the text input field |
| 17:23.29 | pupnik | ctrl+v? |
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| 17:23.47 | pupnik | for e.g. pasting text from browser into xchat |
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| 17:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | vkb |
| 17:26.05 | pupnik | what's that |
| 17:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | Virtual keyboard |
| 17:26.55 | lcuk_2 | gen, cant you add a rule to the chatbot so whenever anyone asks about xchat it will churp up and let them know |
| 17:27.08 | lcuk_2 | hang on, we already have that in you :P |
| 17:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | cntrl-c/v also works |
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| 17:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | That was _Monkey, lcuk_2. |
| 17:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | But milhouse killed him instead of fixing him. :( |
| 17:28.09 | pupnik810 | there is no paste |
| 17:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | Is too. |
| 17:28.23 | pupnik810 | how |
| 17:28.39 | pupnik810 | hmm |
| 17:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | Either the vkb or ctrl-v |
| 17:28.48 | lcuk_2 | [ctrl] + V on 810 keyboard |
| 17:28.49 | pupnik810 | <GeneralAntilles> That was _Monkey, lcuk_2. |
| 17:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | [12:26pm] <lcuk_2>gen, cant you add a rule to the chatbot so whenever anyone asks about xchat it will churp up and let them know |
| 17:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | I am win. |
| 17:29.40 | pupnik810 | killall: mplayer: no process killed |
| 17:29.52 | pupnik810 | ok ty gen |
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| 17:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Timezones are just a lie made up by The Man to keep the little guy down. |
| 17:30.53 | pupnik | no lcuk_2 that is too annoying |
| 17:31.01 | pupnik | chatbots should only respond to keyed requests |
| 17:31.09 | pupnik | !xchat? or ~xchat? or whatever |
| 17:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 17:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | Which is how _Monkey should've been fixed. |
| 17:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | Triggers |
| 17:32.42 | lcuk_2 | trigger: "i can has xchat?" |
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| 17:38.09 | Veggen | hmmf. the n800 seems to work better, wirelesswise, than the n810. I have severe packetloss to/from n810 now. |
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| 17:58.21 | Xxaxx | is it possible to use proxy with microb? |
| 17:58.44 | Xxaxx | http proxy |
| 18:06.33 | Kompo_ | Xxaxx: at least if you set it by hand, via about:config |
| 18:07.08 | Kompo_ | Xxaxx: but it'd be very surprising if there was no proxy -option in some settings somewhere. either app settings or control panel |
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| 18:08.50 | lcuk_2 | xxaxx - on os2008 in your actual connection settings (wlan at least) you can specify a proxy for the entire connection |
| 18:09.35 | lcuk_2 | if you edit the connection and walk through the wizard settings dialog on the last page there is an advanced button. in there is the proxy settings |
| 18:09.40 | Xxaxx | done it via about:config |
| 18:09.46 | lcuk_2 | fairymuff |
| 18:09.54 | Xxaxx | thanks everyone |
| 18:10.01 | lcuk_2 | s/fairy/furry/ |
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| 18:32.44 | pupnik | "arbitrary hardware upscaling is available through XV extension API on N800 (which is used by SDL for YUV format surfaces)" -Serge .... wtf... i need docs/examples on that |
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| 18:37.35 | lcuk_2 | doesn't mplayer use xv |
| 18:37.58 | pupnik | i'll have to look at this |
| 18:38.02 | lcuk_2 | its certainly indicated in the long thread discussion thing, though i have not read the source so dont know |
| 18:38.05 | pupnik | still can't unpack the chinook vmware sdk |
| 18:38.08 | lcuk_2 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo |
| 18:38.26 | lcuk_2 | whats wrong with it? |
| 18:38.44 | pupnik | looks like i need more than 5.3GB |
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| 18:38.58 | pupnik | do you have the .vmdk? how big is it? |
| 18:39.41 | lcuk_2 | 5.31 GB (5,705,170,944 bytes) |
| 18:39.50 | pupnik | ty verymuch |
| 18:39.51 | lcuk_2 | though it gets modified by use (i think) |
| 18:40.42 | lcuk_2 | have you got both 7z parts |
| 18:40.54 | pupnik | yes i had just a bit too little space |
| 18:41.08 | lcuk_2 | ahhh |
| 18:41.54 | lcuk_2 | thanks as well... i just checked and ive got 1gb free on my media drive |
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| 18:42.47 | lcuk_2 | once i have been running the vmware image i cannot restore it to original state without re-extracting it can i |
| 18:43.09 | pupnik | you can take snapshots and use vmware to make diffs |
| 18:43.16 | lcuk_2 | i normally just go and find all the zips and raas and cull them |
| 18:43.27 | pupnik | so then vmware loads an original, then apples the diff to the filesystem |
| 18:43.28 | lcuk_2 | nahhh, simpler to just wipe and re-extract |
| 18:43.48 | pupnik | how much free space does the vmdk have? |
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| 18:44.06 | lcuk_2 | dunno, but would expect it to expand if needbe |
| 18:44.10 | pupnik | i.e. will i need to grow the filesystem a lot? |
| 18:44.13 | pupnik | ah well sh... |
| 18:44.41 | lcuk_2 | cull doctor who or futurama? |
| 18:45.30 | pupnik | hehehe |
| 18:49.49 | lcuk_2 | thats better, 20g free :) |
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| 18:50.33 | pupnik | i find that these small files on a big filesystem really waste space |
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| 18:50.33 | lcuk_2 | 19GB in 9minutes |
| 18:50.44 | pupnik | so tarring those rarely used directories of tinyfiles really saves space |
| 18:50.47 | pupnik | nice |
| 18:50.55 | lcuk_2 | i wrote a (windows) program which dives into the folders and sorts by size and lets me cull what i need |
| 18:51.44 | lcuk_2 | not surprisingly the first time i ran it, i had stuff like docs/old/older/old2/old/oldhol/debiansarge.dvd.iso |
| 18:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | Space is such a fleeting thing. |
| 18:52.02 | pupnik | any preferences on 500-750GB drives? |
| 18:52.12 | lcuk_2 | yer, lots of them ;) |
| 18:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | 500gb seems to be the sweet spot right now. |
| 18:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | The next question is if drive-slots are a limiting factor. ;) |
| 18:52.50 | lcuk_2 | ive not bothered to get anything bigger than the latest 250g media drive |
| 18:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | I just dumped two drives into an external Firewire 800 enclosure. |
| 18:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | I need to pick up another 2 500GB-ers whenever I get some money to throw around. |
| 18:54.38 | lcuk_2 | you cant catch much money with a credit card, its too small |
| 18:54.52 | lcuk_2 | unless its one of those comical huge ones |
| 18:56.32 | melmoth | i would like to get the word that match a click on a textview. |
| 18:56.35 | melmoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.40 | melmoth | but i do not know how to get the whole line...So i do not know how to detect wich word has been tapped. |
| 18:56.46 | melmoth | any idea ? |
| 18:57.00 | lcuk_2 | which language? |
| 18:57.06 | melmoth | python. |
| 18:57.33 | melmoth | i do not find such a method in gtk. |
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| 19:00.29 | lcuk_2 | cant you just look at the selection text? |
| 19:01.53 | lcuk_2 | gtk.TextBuffer.get_selection_bounds |
| 19:01.55 | melmoth | the selected text may be another. |
| 19:02.06 | rgriffi1 | anyone have info on connecting a serial console to an N800? I believe there are solder pads in place, but I'm not sure which is which as far as Tx, Rx and Gnd. |
| 19:02.30 | melmoth | It s not an editor, so say line 5 could be selected (a full line is always selected); but the tapping may happen on line 6. |
| 19:02.50 | melmoth | and this will not change the selection whatsohever (and i would like to keep it this way) |
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| 19:05.12 | lcuk_2 | dunno then, but are you manaually changing the selection to enforce whole line selection (or is this a standard mode) |
| 19:06.18 | melmoth | i set the selection myself. |
| 19:06.26 | tomv | say, is the ogs library mentioned in the maemo tutorial (libogs/ogs.h) available somewhere? |
| 19:07.32 | lcuk_2 | then if you are manually setting the selection cant you read and remember the current selection (which will come from the user tap) before enforcing your whole line |
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| 19:10.00 | lcuk_2 | cyas later |
| 19:10.14 | melmoth | hmm, using mark_set may be an idea :) thanks. |
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| 19:11.51 | Blafasel | Hmm. Still being a stupid new user: How do I enable the red pill mode? I found the tutorials, but they talk about an "Applications Catalogue" app that I don't see. Application manager, yes, but that doesn't offer a "New" button |
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| 19:12.26 | pupnik | Blafasel: i do not recommend red pill mode |
| 19:12.33 | pupnik | Blafasel: what do you want to do? |
| 19:12.42 | Blafasel | pupnik: So how do you install other packages? apt? |
| 19:12.54 | Blafasel | I can drop to the shell, but why? |
| 19:13.03 | pupnik | The easiest way is to go to a website and click on the .install file (green arrow) |
| 19:13.08 | pupnik | this will add the required repository |
| 19:13.30 | pupnik | but be careful to not add duplicate repositories (duplicates are currently a problem) |
| 19:13.42 | Blafasel | Any idea where I get wifi tools (aircrack et all) or openssh? |
| 19:14.05 | pupnik | poitn your browser to http://www.gronmayer.com/it and you will find em |
| 19:14.56 | pupnik | openssh is in the maemo extras repository iirc |
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| 19:16.34 | Blafasel | Thank you |
| 19:18.38 | pupnik | blah, 3.4 GB of optimized 770 videos and then ssvb makes mplayer more powerful |
| 19:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org pupnik. ;) |
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| 19:58.17 | Xamusk | hi |
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| 20:33.07 | Andy80 | does maemo mapper work with n810 internal gps? |
| 20:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 20:34.10 | Andy80 | uhm.... I cannot make it work... |
| 20:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | Use bluetooth with no MAC |
| 20:37.18 | BuSyAnToS | to become root on n810 gainroot as usual? |
| 20:37.35 | Xamusk | what can the n8x0's webcam be used for? |
| 20:37.37 | Andy80 | ok, I try |
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| 20:38.36 | Xamusk | can it be used with msn or skype or something like that? |
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| 20:39.01 | Xamusk | I heard it can only be used to talk with other n800 |
| 20:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | Not currently, Xamusk. |
| 20:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | and through Gizmo |
| 20:39.15 | Xamusk | oh |
| 20:39.20 | Xamusk | only those two? |
| 20:39.24 | Andy80 | gizmo and gtalk |
| 20:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | Skype will be along soon enough |
| 20:40.02 | Andy80 | skype says we have not enough processing power for that.... |
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| 20:41.22 | Xamusk | o_O |
| 20:41.31 | Xamusk | skype took years to support webcam in linux |
| 20:41.45 | Xamusk | and it's still beta now |
| 20:41.54 | ywwg | what's the best way to debug the "incompatible application package" error from the app manager, when dpkg -i works just fine? |
| 20:43.17 | Xamusk | can we at least take photos with the webcam? |
| 20:44.24 | inz | ywwg, dpkg -f <packagename> Section |
| 20:45.06 | inz | ywwg, if that gives you something not starting with user/ then you should change deibian/control and define one that has user/ prefix |
| 20:45.27 | ywwg | inz: that must be it, I have it set to "unknown" |
| 20:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Xamusk. |
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| 20:48.28 | Xamusk | usually pda pics are very low quality |
| 20:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, they are. |
| 20:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | You should get some sunlight sometime, lcuk_2. :P |
| 20:49.01 | lcuk_2 | oh no, its perfect quality. i still havent found anything to get rid of this dandruff |
| 20:50.12 | lcuk_2 | the pics are on par with the sensor i had on my old webcam |
| 20:50.55 | lcuk_2 | has anyone tried generic webcam in usb hostOTG mode? |
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| 20:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, the webcam is kinda a write-off |
| 20:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't put much thought into it. |
| 20:53.59 | Xamusk | that's why I have a separate digital camera... embedded cameras in anything that's not primarily a camera is usually bad |
| 20:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Digitals are stupid cheap these days |
| 20:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | You can get a kickass Canon medium-body for $150 |
| 20:55.02 | lcuk_2 | tbh though, its not a seperate cam ppl want - they see it has a web cam and they see the device supports skype. i know i put 2+2 together and expected skype video |
| 20:56.19 | lcuk_2 | some days i find it awesome and i still look at it and think "wow". other times i think "how could nokia be so stupid" |
| 20:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe, the wonders of large corporate bodies. |
| 20:57.23 | Xamusk | maybe the problem is the os |
| 20:57.38 | lcuk_2 | yer its hte same with any large corp, but then again thats what riles me about nokia - i got this device because it was under the n series which are really nice rounded devices. this is just less thought out. |
| 20:57.44 | Xamusk | unfortunately, linux is very crude sometimes |
| 20:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | Good news is that you're more than welcome to jump in and improve things! |
| 20:58.06 | lcuk_2 | nahhh, linux rocks. its constantly surprising me and im loving actually getting my hands into it |
| 20:58.14 | Xamusk | the n series phones are symbian based, as far as I know |
| 20:59.02 | Xamusk | what is really driving me to nokia is that the newer devices support python :D |
| 20:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | Be interesting to see maemo move into the smartphone space |
| 20:59.23 | lcuk_2 | my nits about the 810 aren't software though (apart from powervr), its things like the camera or the positioning of the keys |
| 20:59.56 | lcuk_2 | i know software can be tailored, i cant just hardhack myself a tab key |
| 21:01.01 | Xamusk | what I found interesting is that the OS itself is being updated and the N800 already can have the OS2008 |
| 21:01.13 | lcuk_2 | i could however get a cradle around the 810 which gives joypad keys oin both sides... |
| 21:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, an N810 is just an N800 with GPS and a keyboard. |
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| 21:01.55 | Xamusk | indeed |
| 21:02.05 | Xamusk | but the keyboard really was a good idea |
| 21:02.19 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: with one memory space less and a higher price |
| 21:02.21 | lcuk_2 | i thought the memory on 800 and 810 were slightly different and no amount of OS changes can adjust that (which is why an 810 will actually out perform an 800) |
| 21:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | Right. |
| 21:02.49 | Xamusk | but then, n810 doesn't have a normal sd slot |
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| 21:03.01 | Xamusk | which was not a good idea for a pda |
| 21:03.04 | hugolp | Have anyone found the N810 usefull? |
| 21:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk_2. |
| 21:03.13 | lcuk_2 | its not got *2* normal slots... |
| 21:03.15 | Xamusk | micro-sd is good for cell phones, not for pdas |
| 21:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | Just the soldered-on SD card. :P |
| 21:03.20 | lcuk_2 | its got one abnormal one |
| 21:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | minisd |
| 21:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say the N810 is better for mobile blogging |
| 21:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | with the keyboard and transflective |
| 21:03.47 | Xamusk | hugolp, some people love the N810 |
| 21:04.03 | Xamusk | isn't the N800 trasflective? |
| 21:04.10 | hugolp | Xamusk: Im genuily asking |
| 21:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | No, Xamusk. |
| 21:04.49 | hugolp | I mean, my opinion is that it wont, but have never tried so I cant really say, but Im interested on hearing opinions about the keyboard cause Im curious wheter its usefull or not |
| 21:04.50 | Xamusk | hugolp, I mean, two days ago there was someone here that said the 810 was a huge leap from 800 |
| 21:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | They're nuts. ;) |
| 21:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | hugolp, the keyboard and size are probably the two biggest selling points. |
| 21:05.16 | Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, does it make much difference for e-book reading? |
| 21:05.20 | hugolp | Xamusk: he probably owned a N810 and not a N800 XD |
| 21:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | Some people just can't handle touchscreen keyboards. |
| 21:05.31 | Xamusk | hugolp, he said he owned both |
| 21:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | No, Xamusk. |
| 21:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | Only in full sunlight. ;) |
| 21:05.43 | lcuk_2 | 1 minor question: if the 800 supports both os2007 and os2008, why (since the devices are the same) can i not put os2007 on an 810? |
| 21:05.46 | lcuk_2 | or can i? |
| 21:05.46 | Xamusk | damn |
| 21:06.21 | Xamusk | anyway, I won't have my N8x0 until I find some way to ship one to here |
| 21:06.25 | hugolp | lcuk_2: maybe the OS2007 is lacking some drivers needed for the N810 (Im just guessing) |
| 21:06.58 | hugolp | anyway why would you want OS2007? OS2008 is a big improvement |
| 21:07.12 | lcuk_2 | still more software for 2007 isnt there |
| 21:07.25 | lcuk_2 | it was just hypothetical |
| 21:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | You can, lcuk_2. |
| 21:07.46 | hugolp | lcuk_2: its all coming to OS2008, the software I mean |
| 21:07.53 | GeneralAntilles | You'd have to explode the FIASCO image and flash each part individually. |
| 21:07.59 | lcuk_2 | lol hug, i know that |
| 21:08.15 | lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, is that just hardware code identifiers stopping it then |
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| 21:08.24 | hugolp | lubyou: XD I mean that is coming quick |
| 21:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:08.51 | melmoth | lcuk_2: the word selection worked :) thanks for the tip. |
| 21:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | basically, yeah, lcuk_2. |
| 21:09.03 | lubyou | high five |
| 21:09.18 | lcuk_2 | its only coming as long as the devs can compile it up. |
| 21:09.27 | lcuk_2 | melmoth, thats good to hear :) |
| 21:10.51 | melmoth | in fact, i was only coloring a line, not selecting it..and i always put the insert mark and the end of selection mark at the same place,so there was never a selection. |
| 21:11.09 | lcuk_2 | that comment i just made about a wrapper around the 810 (so it gains controls around the screen) would be a great project to try |
| 21:11.17 | melmoth | This was because i try to make a touch scrolling stuff, that did not work well when there was text selection on top of that. |
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| 21:12.06 | melmoth | it s still not perfect...i wonder if somebody knows of a gtk project (preferabilly in python) with a textview and a scroll 'on touch' feature. |
| 21:12.07 | lcuk_2 | mel, kinetic scrolling directly in gtk cant be too quick is it? |
| 21:12.19 | melmoth | its a bit slow, indeed. |
| 21:12.35 | melmoth | I m not happy at all with the result, but i do not know how to improve the speed. |
| 21:12.39 | lcuk_2 | start here: dunno about any of them: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=kinetic+scrolling+gtk+widget&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 21:12.53 | melmoth | cheers |
| 21:13.00 | lcuk_2 | i remember looking though |
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| 21:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Take a look at mauku, maybe? |
| 21:14.13 | melmoth | Ohh, yeah, i did forgot about the tony maro stuff, i though it was based on pygame.but no it s gtk. |
| 21:14.35 | lcuk_2 | :) i just noticed that and there is source |
| 21:14.44 | lcuk_2 | maybe a good place to start and learn from |
| 21:15.53 | lcuk_2 | s/linux/open source/ |
| 21:16.05 | lcuk_2 | hmm |
| 21:16.19 | lcuk_2 | is the bot missing or is it not transfering |
| 21:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | Do it right. |
| 21:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | s/right/correctly/ |
| 21:16.59 | lcuk_2 | loli did it the same |
| 21:17.23 | lcuk_2 | s/loli/lol i/ |
| 21:17.39 | lcuk_2 | i think it was because i actioned myself |
| 21:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that would be correct. |
| 21:19.52 | lcuk_2 | is it bad form to post links which make you spit coke onto keyboard? |
| 21:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet tea in this case, but shoot. |
| 21:20.24 | lcuk_2 | http://www.break.com/index/belly-dancer-hilarious-accident.html |
| 21:24.52 | lcuk_2 | and on that note i will vanish. beer and movies await |
| 21:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 21:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people have cameras on when they're doing shit like that? |
| 21:24.54 | glass | whats the point of showing off your ass/tits if the camera is not on? |
| 21:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | For the more dedicated voyeurs. :P |
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| 21:58.01 | tubtub | Hi all. i love the n810. It does so much, I am using it on this list now. |
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| 22:07.26 | pupnik | just played some quake2 on n810. Amazingly fast. Great job pipeline and zerionseven |
| 22:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's fairly badass. |
| 22:08.30 | pupnik | excellent implementation of the stylus look also |
| 22:08.34 | pupnik | compared to early versions |
| 22:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely. Perfect example of how it should be done. |
| 22:09.19 | pupnik | all the button controls are pretty sad though |
| 22:09.43 | pupnik | the mapping is fine, but the hardware... |
| 22:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | Better on N800 |
| 22:14.15 | pupnik | the more i consider this stuff the more i think that a gaming device simply has to be a seperate device from an IT device |
| 22:14.58 | lcuk_2 | i want to make a cradle with outside edge buttons and 810 sat in the middle |
| 22:15.09 | pupnik | yeah i had that idea too! :) |
| 22:15.30 | pupnik | you can get a bluetooth game controller and dismantle it and build your own enclosure |
| 22:15.39 | lcuk_2 | where did you get q2 from - the only one i found was quake1 |
| 22:16.15 | lcuk_2 | i would fit it using usb. make it plug through usb and power so you can keep it on and charge both at same time |
| 22:17.02 | lcuk_2 | no need for wireless when theres a plug in the right place. the power drain of a tiny device could easily be kept under the 100ma |
| 22:17.17 | pupnik | http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/quetoo-repack/quetoo-r2r-0.5.0-6zs.chinook.deb Quake 2 OS2008 ready-to-run - takes up a bunch of space (i had about 60 MB free) |
| 22:18.17 | Xamusk | it would be cool if the n8x0 had some sort of serial port |
| 22:18.57 | Xamusk | so it would be easier to make custom hardware for them |
| 22:19.01 | lcuk_2 | yer, some kind of universal serial port |
| 22:19.22 | lcuk_2 | or is it a bus? |
| 22:19.26 | pupnik | or a bus :) |
| 22:19.54 | lcuk_2 | ;) |
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| 22:20.19 | pupnik | well you can buy the bluetooth gamepad for PDAs for about 20 euro here |
| 22:20.42 | lcuk_2 | yer - you can also buy bluetooth Wii Motes as well... |
| 22:22.37 | czr | lcuk_2, furry case.. |
| 22:22.44 | lcuk_2 | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:22.46 | lcuk_2 | no |
| 22:22.55 | czr | I know. you had already forgotten about it. |
| 22:23.06 | lcuk_2 | yer, and you know what else i had forgotten about |
| 22:23.15 | czr | I know, but I'm saving those for later use. |
| 22:23.21 | lcuk_2 | im gonna get in trouble with my missus. i told her tonight was her night. im gonna go and i want none of you giving me stupid shed engineer ideas for at least 12 hours ;) |
| 22:23.35 | lcuk_2 | i only came upstairs to grab a lighter |
| 22:23.39 | czr | heh. ok ok :-) |
| 22:23.42 | czr | have fun :-) |
| 22:23.42 | lcuk_2 | back later |
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| 22:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | It has a serial port. |
| 22:38.00 | ywwg | so I know how to open a web page with "rpc_handler.rpc_run_with_defaults('osso_browser', 'open_new_window', (uri,))", but what's the equivalent for the media player? I'm not sure what function to call |
| 22:38.07 | LoCusF | is there a git version control system available on maemo? |
| 22:39.29 | sp3000 | ywwg: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/... |
| 22:39.38 | sp3000 | that probably contains enough hints? |
| 22:40.03 | ywwg | sp3000: hm probably. I think I tried mime_open but I'll try it again |
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| 23:01.42 | pupnik | aw ya. vfat also don't like >4GB files |
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| 23:06.16 | spirytusick | pupnik: yep.. and 640kb should have been enoguh for anybody :) heh |
| 23:08.48 | pupnik | now trying extraction to ext2 |
| 23:10.58 | spirytusick | pupnik: should work |
| 23:11.30 | spirytusick | pupnik: depending on the block size the smallest limitation is aroud 16 GB |
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| 23:14.24 | tank-man | do a lot of you guys boot from sd instead of internal flash? |
| 23:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:14.47 | spirytusick | i do boot from sd only |
| 23:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Better to have it as a fall-back. |
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| 23:24.10 | spirytusick | time to go .... |
| 23:24.15 | spirytusick | see ya later guyz |
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| 23:34.23 | bkruse_home | whats up guys |
| 23:34.36 | pupnik | dunno |
| 23:34.45 | pupnik | so am i a fool for trying vmplayer with this"? |
| 23:35.29 | jeff1f | Well, I got the os2008 development environment up |
| 23:35.36 | jeff1f | And have no idea what to do now |
| 23:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | Develop! |
| 23:37.10 | pupnik | jeff1f: apt-get source <package> |
| 23:37.26 | pupnik | cd <package> && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 23:37.36 | jeff1f | I have no idea how to program anything :) |
| 23:37.39 | pupnik | oh -b |
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| 23:39.10 | melmoth | jeff1f: http://docs.python.org/tut/ :-) |
| 23:39.23 | scibot | Has anyone worked out how to get pygame working at 400x240 yet? |
| 23:40.04 | jeff1f | Thanks! |
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| 23:51.14 | pupnik | man, switching to a new dev environment is soo uncumfortable |
| 23:52.56 | disq | tell me about it <- just got a macbook |
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