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| 02:13.28 | LinuxCode | if any of you fellas are using a Belkin USB Bluettoth device namedly F8T012...blacklist pegasus kernel module |
| 02:13.38 | LinuxCode | it loads and blocks the device |
| 02:13.58 | LinuxCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.00 | LinuxCode | fixes that |
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| 03:02.18 | blackmad | is there an easy way to change the volume from the command line in maemo (770)?? |
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| 03:38.32 | LinuxCode | is there a calendar app ? |
| 03:38.38 | LinuxCode | for n810 ? |
| 03:38.52 | johnx | gpe-calendar and pimlico dates |
| 03:38.55 | LinuxCode | saw this one guys devs a syncevolution thing |
| 03:39.02 | LinuxCode | k lets see |
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| 03:39.48 | dospod | sup peeps |
| 03:39.54 | LinuxCode | john got a repo mate ? |
| 03:40.06 | LinuxCode | googling shows a maze of comments |
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| 03:44.18 | LinuxCode | hope this cobb repo is up2date |
| 03:45.29 | rm_you | johnx: WISH ME LUCK |
| 03:45.32 | rm_you | lol |
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| 03:45.40 | johnx | rm_you, good luck! |
| 03:45.42 | rm_you | :P |
| 03:45.44 | johnx | rm_you, what are you doing? |
| 03:45.46 | rm_you | brb (hopefully) |
| 03:45.49 | LinuxCode | yeh good luck |
| 03:45.50 | rm_you | rebooting... |
| 03:45.57 | LinuxCode | whatever it is... |
| 03:46.01 | LinuxCode | hope it works |
| 03:46.02 | LinuxCode | heh |
| 03:46.11 | rm_you | every time i install dmraid/mdadm on a FRESH gutsy install, it breaks it and kicks me to initramfs >_> |
| 03:46.25 | johnx | sounds exciting |
| 03:46.32 | rm_you | wherein I *can* mount /dev/md0 :P |
| 03:46.36 | rm_you | but not my root drive >_< |
| 03:46.54 | rm_you | i think it's an update-initfs problem... |
| 03:46.57 | rm_you | though no idea really :P |
| 03:46.58 | rm_you | brb |
| 03:47.33 | LinuxCode | ohh testing maemo repo |
| 03:47.34 | LinuxCode | ]! |
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| 03:55.36 | LinuxCode | wow evince! |
| 04:00.15 | Gurney | any idea when canola2 will be running in the n770? |
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| 04:13.49 | LinuxCode | Gurney, the beta is on one of the reps |
| 04:13.55 | LinuxCode | i assume test |
| 04:13.58 | LinuxCode | for n810 |
| 04:15.19 | Gurney | test for n810 has a beta that works on the 770? that would be quite strange... |
| 04:15.37 | Gurney | checking into it anyway :) |
| 04:16.01 | LinuxCode | not sure it would |
| 04:16.08 | LinuxCode | its there though |
| 04:16.25 | LinuxCode | probably ed up with dep issues mind |
| 04:17.34 | Gurney | hmm good point |
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| 04:55.42 | dospod | any1know when mame might be a tad more playable |
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| 05:27.15 | targaryen | I wish Kagu could support the partial transparency aspect of PNG |
| 05:30.03 | johnx | and I wish ARM emulation was faster :/ |
| 05:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I had a million dollars. |
| 05:31.30 | johnx | yeah, that'd be nice too |
| 05:32.09 | johnx | really, with a million dollars I could probably figure out a way to get faster ARM emulation... |
| 05:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Screw faster emulation |
| 05:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | Gimme faster CPUs! |
| 05:33.06 | johnx | that's what I was thinking really :) |
| 05:33.16 | johnx | I didn't say I cared how efficient it was, just faster |
| 05:33.43 | johnx | still, compiling in qemu on an Athon 64 is much nicer than on a Zaurus |
| 05:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, why not just weld an ARM CPU to your mobo with that kind of money. ;) |
| 05:34.51 | johnx | because I think once you get into the faster Intel and AMD processors they can probably emulate an ARM processor faster than any ARM could run in reality :) |
| 05:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if you dropped the power and heat ceilings on the ARM CPU . . . |
| 05:35.21 | LinuxCode | money ...free money ? where ? |
| 05:35.26 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 05:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | That dark alley over there, LinuxCode. |
| 05:35.46 | LinuxCode | hahah |
| 05:35.53 | LinuxCode | I dont want to be touched by you mate |
| 05:35.56 | LinuxCode | Im innocent |
| 05:36.00 | LinuxCode | I want it to stay that way |
| 05:36.02 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 05:36.03 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 05:36.25 | LinuxCode | meh the x terminal just died on me haha |
| 05:36.35 | LinuxCode | ahh |
| 05:36.37 | LinuxCode | better |
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| 06:18.28 | czr | mornink |
| 06:19.15 | derf | Evenink. |
| 06:20.34 | johnx | ah the wonders of IRC time :) |
| 06:20.50 | czr | indeed. |
| 06:21.39 | LinuxCode | hey czr |
| 06:21.50 | LinuxCode | 6:21 am |
| 06:21.57 | LinuxCode | the joys of being up all night lol |
| 06:22.13 | czr | heh. I managed finally to break the jetlag \o/ |
| 06:22.17 | LinuxCode | any of you got a good gpesyncd help/how to ? |
| 06:22.26 | czr | I guess sleeping for only 1.5 hours last night did the trick |
| 06:22.32 | LinuxCode | I checked opensync's site |
| 06:22.37 | LinuxCode | czr, lol |
| 06:22.40 | LinuxCode | harsh |
| 06:22.50 | czr | it was really annoying for many days already now. |
| 06:23.02 | czr | I woke up at about the time when all people were already leaving the office |
| 06:23.05 | LinuxCode | I know the feeling |
| 06:23.15 | LinuxCode | but with me its always self-inflicted |
| 06:23.28 | czr | I don't have the luxury unfortunately :-) |
| 06:25.06 | LinuxCode | installed gpe |
| 06:25.11 | LinuxCode | I like |
| 06:25.28 | LinuxCode | exactly what the basic N810 default was missing |
| 06:25.40 | LinuxCode | a to do list, calendar app, etc.. thats syncable |
| 06:25.46 | LinuxCode | if I can get the sync to work that is |
| 06:26.05 | czr | I've yet to play with gpe though |
| 06:26.10 | czr | maybe I will eventually |
| 06:26.22 | LinuxCode | I quite happy today |
| 06:26.42 | LinuxCode | did all that + found the issue why my usb bluetooth stick wouldnt work |
| 06:26.50 | LinuxCode | so fixed that too |
| 06:27.04 | czr | the stick was too dirty? |
| 06:27.17 | czr | it sent the wrong color teeth over the air? |
| 06:27.24 | LinuxCode | no.... a kernel module was loaded which was unrelated...and blocked the usb bt module from working |
| 06:27.34 | LinuxCode | had to blacklist it |
| 06:27.36 | czr | oh, that's nice :-) |
| 06:27.51 | LinuxCode | made a post on the web... on that linuxcompatability site |
| 06:28.01 | LinuxCode | so other people could pick that up |
| 06:28.06 | LinuxCode | since google did nothing for me |
| 06:28.28 | czr | good good. |
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| 06:35.43 | LinuxCode | the N8x0 need a iptables frontend |
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| 06:42.45 | tank-man | why is that? |
| 06:42.59 | LinuxCode | because the default policies are set to accept |
| 06:43.00 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 06:44.42 | blast007 | LinuxCode: http://www.fwbuilder.org/ |
| 06:45.03 | LinuxCode | I know blassey |
| 06:45.05 | LinuxCode | blast007, |
| 06:45.11 | LinuxCode | needs compiling |
| 06:45.18 | LinuxCode | I havent got the sdk up yet |
| 06:45.26 | blast007 | k |
| 06:45.30 | LinuxCode | need to learn deb package management |
| 06:45.32 | LinuxCode | too |
| 06:45.38 | LinuxCode | btw anyone have a good how to on it ? |
| 06:45.46 | LinuxCode | im only familiar with spec files |
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| 06:48.44 | melmoth | LinuxCode: it s a bit more complicate than a .spec files. |
| 06:48.53 | LinuxCode | it is ? |
| 06:48.55 | LinuxCode | meh |
| 06:49.06 | melmoth | not _that much_ :) |
| 06:49.13 | LinuxCode | does it use macros too ? |
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| 06:49.37 | melmoth | may be, never meet any, nor do i have a ~/.debmacro of some sort. |
| 06:50.11 | melmoth | LinuxCode: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html |
| 06:50.18 | LinuxCode | wiii |
| 06:50.26 | LinuxCode | thanks mate |
| 06:50.33 | melmoth | that s just a beginning :) |
| 06:50.40 | LinuxCode | melmoth, no kidding haha |
| 06:50.50 | LinuxCode | Im already spending way too much of my time on this |
| 06:50.51 | melmoth | LinuxCode: is your app in python ? becuase there s some easy way to packaeg python |
| 06:51.02 | LinuxCode | no app mate.. |
| 06:51.13 | LinuxCode | but I want to compile stuff for N810 |
| 06:51.17 | LinuxCode | and package stuff |
| 06:51.24 | LinuxCode | im looking at amsn atm |
| 06:51.27 | LinuxCode | needs tcl |
| 06:51.40 | LinuxCode | and tkinter |
| 06:52.02 | johnx | you should steal most of Debian's package for that :) |
| 06:52.11 | melmoth | Indeed. |
| 06:52.19 | johnx | then you'll just have a couple little things to fix, and all the deps will be laid out for you |
| 06:52.43 | johnx | LinuxCode, http://packages.debian.org <- check there first before making your own package |
| 06:52.45 | melmoth | Most library, i just "apt-get source" in debian or ubuntu, then try a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in scratchbox |
| 06:53.06 | LinuxCode | john ok |
| 06:53.07 | johnx | if it needs deps try using mud-builder |
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| 06:54.17 | LinuxCode | johnx, fix stuff like what ? |
| 06:54.24 | LinuxCode | what goes wrong usuall ? |
| 06:55.08 | LinuxCode | +y |
| 06:55.57 | johnx | dependencies usually |
| 06:56.05 | LinuxCode | k |
| 06:56.12 | LinuxCode | I can live with that |
| 06:56.13 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 06:56.22 | LinuxCode | I was getting worried there for a moment |
| 06:56.26 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 06:56.38 | johnx | mmm...and simple stuff in postinst scripts |
| 06:56.44 | czr | "normally small pink dragons come from the device and eat the left pinky of the developer who is porting the software" |
| 06:56.48 | czr | this is what you expected? ;-) |
| 06:56.54 | LinuxCode | bahahah |
| 06:57.01 | LinuxCode | Id prefer hot bunnies mate |
| 06:57.06 | LinuxCode | can I have my wish ? |
| 06:57.08 | LinuxCode | hahaha |
| 06:57.10 | LinuxCode | ;-DDDDDDD |
| 06:57.22 | czr | hot bunnies are reserved for windows developers. they need them. |
| 06:58.10 | LinuxCode | NO THATS A LIE |
| 06:58.15 | LinuxCode | you must be BILL GATES |
| 06:58.16 | czr | I never lie |
| 06:58.17 | LinuxCode | DIE! |
| 06:58.19 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 06:58.20 | czr | I might embellish "some" |
| 06:58.25 | LinuxCode | traitor... |
| 06:58.27 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 06:58.27 | czr | what I meant was |
| 06:58.34 | czr | that their life is so bleak anyway |
| 06:58.41 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 06:58.42 | czr | that the hot bunnies are the only things that keep them going |
| 06:58.45 | LinuxCode | might have a point there |
| 06:58.56 | LinuxCode | they can have the semi-hot bunnies |
| 06:59.04 | czr | damn you pokers! |
| 06:59.10 | LinuxCode | semi-hot bunnies for semi-useful product |
| 06:59.23 | LinuxCode | designers |
| 06:59.28 | czr | semi as in after the requisite number of beers kind of semi? |
| 07:00.00 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 07:00.32 | LinuxCode | johnx, me too...however im over tired |
| 07:00.37 | LinuxCode | Im confusing myself lol |
| 07:00.49 | johnx | ah, so I'm in good company :D |
| 07:03.34 | LinuxCode | def |
| 07:03.36 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 07:04.23 | LinuxCode | you guys know what gpesynd uses ? |
| 07:04.26 | LinuxCode | syncml ? |
| 07:05.27 | LinuxCode | nevermind |
| 07:05.32 | LinuxCode | searched for opensync packages |
| 07:05.34 | LinuxCode | gpe |
| 07:06.23 | LoCusF | it seems that there's no bluetooth synchronization yet |
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| 07:08.35 | LinuxCode | wii it works |
| 07:08.59 | LinuxCode | now whats the pass |
| 07:09.00 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 07:09.17 | LinuxCode | later mate |
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| 07:11.25 | LinuxCode | anyone know where the pass is set for gpe ? |
| 07:12.57 | Cptn-N800 | No idea |
| 07:13.40 | Cptn-N800 | But gpe related q: the import feature in gpe calendar, what file fomat does it take? |
| 07:14.02 | LinuxCode | vc files |
| 07:14.03 | Cptn-N800 | Want to try to make it synch with the school schedule online somehow |
| 07:14.07 | Cptn-N800 | Prob lost cause |
| 07:14.17 | Cptn-N800 | Vc? Isnt that contacts? |
| 07:14.21 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 07:14.27 | LinuxCode | vcf vct etc.. |
| 07:14.38 | Cptn-N800 | :/ |
| 07:14.46 | LinuxCode | vcards,vevent etc.. |
| 07:14.50 | Cptn-N800 | The calendar, not gpe contacs |
| 07:15.02 | LinuxCode | vecent i believe |
| 07:15.05 | LinuxCode | event |
| 07:15.15 | Cptn-N800 | Ah |
| 07:15.18 | Cptn-N800 | Thx |
| 07:15.20 | LinuxCode | np |
| 07:15.24 | LinuxCode | theres vtodo too |
| 07:16.00 | johnx | I thought it could cope with ical/vcal stuff too |
| 07:16.06 | johnx | not 100% sure though |
| 07:17.21 | LinuxCode | ohh it uses ssh ?!?! |
| 07:17.24 | LinuxCode | odd |
| 07:17.38 | LinuxCode | weird |
| 07:17.46 | LinuxCode | now whats my username and pass though lol |
| 07:18.07 | LinuxCode | user lol |
| 07:18.12 | LinuxCode | how original |
| 07:18.44 | LoCusF | user/user? |
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| 07:21.52 | LinuxCode | yeh its asking me for it |
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| 07:27.14 | Cptn-N800 | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00064.jpg |
| 07:27.19 | Cptn-N800 | School ftw |
| 07:28.18 | johnx | wow |
| 07:28.21 | johnx | a little overkill? |
| 07:28.39 | Cptn-N800 | Nah ^_^ good to be a geek |
| 07:29.16 | LinuxCode | Cptn-N800, you plugged a keybaord in ? |
| 07:29.18 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 07:29.20 | LinuxCode | thats cool |
| 07:29.30 | LinuxCode | did ya have to set it into host mode ? |
| 07:29.36 | Cptn-N800 | Linuxcode, yes |
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| 07:29.45 | Cptn-N800 | Made a auto-host cable |
| 07:30.02 | LinuxCode | its syncing guys |
| 07:30.11 | Cptn-N800 | And bought a small KB. Waiting for iGo |
| 07:30.11 | LinuxCode | I hope setting a password doesnt lock me ouy |
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| 07:31.00 | LinuxCode | Cptn-N800, sounds nice |
| 07:31.04 | LinuxCode | could use a bt keybaord |
| 07:31.11 | Cptn-N800 | Not sure about battery drain yet |
| 07:31.13 | LinuxCode | probably draw as much power |
| 07:31.15 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 07:31.35 | Cptn-N800 | Igo is bt, ordered one the other day. Think bt uses less than usb, has its own power |
| 07:31.39 | LinuxCode | I have the funny feeling this wlan AP is messed up |
| 07:31.48 | LinuxCode | exactlymate |
| 07:31.52 | LinuxCode | let me know how it goes |
| 07:32.18 | Cptn-N800 | Also have a 16GB card on the way ^^ 24gb here i come |
| 07:32.19 | LinuxCode | but then I have got a N810 |
| 07:32.27 | LinuxCode | 16GB ?!?! |
| 07:32.30 | LinuxCode | woah |
| 07:32.32 | Cptn-N800 | Sdhc card |
| 07:32.38 | Cptn-N800 | + 8 i got now |
| 07:32.43 | LinuxCode | noooooo sync failed |
| 07:32.45 | Cptn-N800 | = 24 |
| 07:32.47 | LinuxCode | bollox |
| 07:32.50 | LinuxCode | why! |
| 07:32.55 | Cptn-N800 | :/ |
| 07:33.05 | LinuxCode | Cptn-N800, ohh you mean 3* 8gb ? |
| 07:33.12 | LinuxCode | or a 16Gb single ? |
| 07:33.28 | Cptn-N800 | 16gb + 8gb |
| 07:33.42 | LinuxCode | and 16GB works ? |
| 07:33.52 | LinuxCode | I thought they said 8GB was max ? |
| 07:33.54 | Cptn-N800 | 16gb sdhc is 75 dollars shipped on newegg, know a guy in the us |
| 07:34.00 | Cptn-N800 | Nah 16gb adata works |
| 07:34.01 | LinuxCode | wtf |
| 07:34.06 | Cptn-N800 | Says itt |
| 07:34.07 | LinuxCode | 75 usd! |
| 07:34.11 | LinuxCode | wtf |
| 07:34.13 | LinuxCode | bastids |
| 07:34.18 | Cptn-N800 | Lol |
| 07:34.22 | LinuxCode | get him to send too |
| 07:34.24 | LinuxCode | two |
| 07:34.27 | LinuxCode | I buy it off you |
| 07:34.31 | Cptn-N800 | Guess ill find out if it wokrs |
| 07:34.34 | LinuxCode | yay it synced |
| 07:34.37 | LinuxCode | I think |
| 07:34.42 | LinuxCode | saus conflicts solved |
| 07:35.01 | Cptn-N800 | Paid 100 bucks all in all, covering shipping here |
| 07:35.04 | LinuxCode | yayyyyyy |
| 07:35.12 | LinuxCode | yayayayayayaya |
| 07:35.29 | Cptn-N800 | 16gb cards arent tht expensiveother places either |
| 07:36.13 | LinuxCode | you dont know the UK mate |
| 07:36.14 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 07:36.27 | LinuxCode | aka rip off Britain |
| 07:36.51 | Cptn-N800 | I live in norway, thats worse |
| 07:37.11 | Cptn-N800 | Did u see the 18 gbp igo deal? |
| 07:37.30 | LinuxCode | no ? |
| 07:37.40 | LinuxCode | show me |
| 07:37.42 | LinuxCode | NOW |
| 07:37.43 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 07:37.53 | Cptn-N800 | Mymemory.co.uk, igo stowaway bt KB for 18 gbp |
| 07:38.50 | Cptn-N800 | http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/3583118/-/Product.html?searchstring=16gb+sdhc&searchsource=0 60GBP shipped for 16gb sdhc...notthat bad :P |
| 07:39.05 | LinuxCode | wow thats where I got my N810 from |
| 07:39.15 | LinuxCode | but will it work |
| 07:39.19 | LinuxCode | I let you find out mate |
| 07:39.20 | Cptn-N800 | Dunno |
| 07:39.22 | LinuxCode | if thats ok |
| 07:39.24 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 07:39.36 | LinuxCode | let me know |
| 07:39.39 | LinuxCode | Id appreciate it |
| 07:39.43 | Cptn-N800 | Well the adaa (newegg) might work even if that dont |
| 07:39.49 | Cptn-N800 | Adata |
| 07:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an adata 16GB |
| 07:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | works great |
| 07:40.01 | LinuxCode | I am willing to take that chance |
| 07:40.08 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, seriously ? |
| 07:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | play.com branded SDHC? |
| 07:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 07:40.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 07:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | An 8GB and a 16GB |
| 07:40.23 | Cptn-N800 | ^^ |
| 07:41.01 | LinuxCode | well if they are sdhc capable |
| 07:41.01 | LinuxCode | only issue i see is the fs |
| 07:41.01 | Cptn-N800 | Sdhc is sdhc, i think |
| 07:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | The Nokia or the card? |
| 07:41.01 | LinuxCode | however fat16 goes up to 32gb or ? |
| 07:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | SD only goes up to 4GB |
| 07:41.01 | Cptn-N800 | Yes 32 |
| 07:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | 2GB in the spec |
| 07:41.02 | LinuxCode | should be ok then |
| 07:41.04 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 07:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | SDHC goes up to 2048GB |
| 07:41.11 | Cptn-N800 | I use a 4gb sd, not sdhc, works |
| 07:41.12 | LinuxCode | N810 supports it |
| 07:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | If it's over 4GB it's SDHc. |
| 07:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | Period. |
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| 07:41.43 | LinuxCode | meh its a SD card |
| 07:41.48 | LinuxCode | full size ;-| |
| 07:41.52 | Cptn-N800 | N810's 10gb lmit (ATM) is the worst dealbreaker ever |
| 07:41.55 | LinuxCode | N810 cant handle that |
| 07:42.03 | LinuxCode | ;-[ |
| 07:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | miniSD sucks |
| 07:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | thusly, the N810 sucks. |
| 07:42.15 | Cptn-N800 | Agreed |
| 07:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to be sad when they announce the N900 with a single MiniSD slot. |
| 07:42.35 | Cptn-N800 | And the 810 kb is to small to be useful >.> |
| 07:42.39 | LinuxCode | agreed..sadly ;-[ |
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| 07:43.06 | LinuxCode | the kb is ok actually |
| 07:43.09 | LinuxCode | I was amazed |
| 07:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | They N800's thumbboard works great for me. |
| 07:43.37 | Cptn-N800 | Me tooo, and i got this kb for school and soon a iGo |
| 07:43.37 | LinuxCode | if you get the stand out |
| 07:43.52 | LinuxCode | it wont slip out easy either |
| 07:44.32 | Cptn-N800 | 810 with 4 sdhc slots instead of kb ^^ |
| 07:44.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 07:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | I could go for an N900 with twin miniSD slots. |
| 07:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | But a single slot is unacceptable. |
| 07:45.31 | Cptn-N800 | Minisd isnt above 6gb atm i think |
| 07:46.18 | LinuxCode | sweet |
| 07:46.25 | LinuxCode | im well chuffed now |
| 07:46.37 | LinuxCode | Cptn-N800, 8gb |
| 07:46.42 | LinuxCode | im getting one |
| 07:46.45 | LinuxCode | £39 |
| 07:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | 16GB miniSD cards have been announced. |
| 07:47.05 | LinuxCode | hmm but how much ... ? |
| 07:47.07 | LinuxCode | ;-[ |
| 07:47.26 | LinuxCode | as long as I can take a few ebooks with me im ok |
| 07:48.05 | Cptn-N800 | Microsdhc andadapter is only way of 8gb |
| 07:48.05 | Cptn-N800 | Iirc |
| 07:48.13 | Cptn-N800 | Meh |
| 07:48.21 | Cptn-N800 | Books is what psp is for D |
| 07:48.30 | Cptn-N800 | ^^ |
| 07:48.43 | johnx | but the N8x0 has such a nice high res screen |
| 07:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | The bad part is that the OMAP3430 can do 720p |
| 07:48.54 | LinuxCode | psp ? |
| 07:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | If they saddle that with no storage . . . |
| 07:49.14 | LinuxCode | johnx, same as N800 or ? |
| 07:49.17 | LinuxCode | ohh |
| 07:49.20 | LinuxCode | sorry yeh |
| 07:49.26 | LinuxCode | I looked at the n800 |
| 07:49.27 | Cptn-N800 | Psp + windshield mount on nightstand + wired remote is the best book ever |
| 07:49.30 | LinuxCode | was well impressed |
| 07:49.46 | LinuxCode | portable play station ? |
| 07:49.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, then you still won't have the guts to decode it? |
| 07:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Huh? |
| 07:50.13 | johnx | HD video on an ARM? |
| 07:50.23 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 07:50.35 | Cptn-N800 | Playstaion portabl e= PSP |
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| 07:50.45 | LinuxCode | Cptn-N800, k |
| 07:50.49 | LinuxCode | just checking |
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| 07:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, HD on an ARM. |
| 07:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | No LCD controller bottleneck, either. |
| 07:51.31 | LinuxCode | morning lcuk |
| 07:51.31 | johnx | yeah, somehow I don't see it happening |
| 07:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | Why not? |
| 07:51.42 | johnx | CPU power |
| 07:52.00 | Cptn-N800 | Psp book setup: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/03-6.jpg |
| 07:52.05 | derf | I mean, just the memory bandwidth alone. |
| 07:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, that's why the OMAP3 supports 720p |
| 07:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.cybertheater.com/texas-instruments-omap3430-supports-720p-hd-on-mobile-phones/ |
| 07:52.42 | johnx | a 1st gen P4 @ 2.0GHz has big issues with HD video in anything but MPEG2 format |
| 07:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's a SoC, johnx. |
| 07:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | There's a hardware decoder on there. :) |
| 07:54.01 | johnx | I'll be somewhat surprised if there's a good way to utilize that under Linux |
| 07:54.31 | johnx | I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding my breath |
| 07:55.01 | LinuxCode | meh cant one lock the applets on a n810 ? |
| 07:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the only reason we don't have it with the OMAP2420 NOW is because of the groady LCD controller. |
| 07:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | No, LinuxCode. |
| 07:55.22 | LinuxCode | bleh |
| 07:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | There's a bug on bugzilla. |
| 07:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | Go vote it. |
| 07:55.25 | LinuxCode | that sucks |
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| 07:56.02 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the LCD controller is the most obvious bottleneck, but 640x480 is pushing the decoding ability of the ARM core |
| 07:56.10 | Cptn-N800 | Probems with curious firneds using your n810? |
| 07:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | That's why there's a hardware decoder. . . . |
| 07:56.35 | Cptn-N800 | Friends* |
| 07:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 |
| 07:56.52 | GeneralAntilles | See that |
| 07:57.14 | johnx | yeah, I believe you |
| 07:57.27 | dpb_ | hrmm.. the bar that shows abc/fn in n810 wastes quite a lot of space... |
| 07:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | Cptn-N800, black on white? <_< |
| 07:57.42 | johnx | just like my geforce 6600 supports hardware decoding...except oh, wait nvidia never got around to it for Linux. |
| 07:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | MontaVista has drivers for the OMAP stuff. |
| 07:58.32 | jkyro | not open though |
| 07:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 07:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why Nokia is going to pay for them for us. ;) |
| 07:58.43 | dpb_ | and what a gerat xterm this has.. you can change the background colour, but not the foreground... =) |
| 07:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | There's no way they wont. |
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| 07:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Can, too, dpb_. |
| 07:58.59 | dpb_ | how? |
| 07:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | Look at the settings. |
| 07:59.08 | dpb_ | not from the settings |
| 07:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes you can. |
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| 07:59.22 | dpb_ | there's only background there |
| 07:59.23 | Cptn-N800 | Generalantilles, black on white what? |
| 07:59.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, don't pin hopes on Nokia licensing things for us or being smart about open source |
| 07:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | dpb_, look a little closer. |
| 07:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | Text on the PSP, Cptn-N800. |
| 07:59.51 | dpb_ | i just looked. |
| 07:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | Look a little harder . . . . |
| 08:00.04 | Cptn-N800 | Ah, yes |
| 08:00.04 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe tap a button or two. |
| 08:00.06 | johnx | dpb_, it's there |
| 08:00.12 | Cptn-N800 | What with that? |
| 08:00.17 | dpb_ | not on mine. |
| 08:00.29 | inz | dpb_, did you tap a button or two? |
| 08:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | dpb_, c'mon, really. |
| 08:01.27 | Cptn-N800 | Can you change the background and text color of gpe summary? |
| 08:03.13 | dpb_ | oh, it's in the FONTS setting, should have just said so... |
| 08:03.32 | inz | dpb, where's the fun in that? |
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| 08:04.16 | wwp | hi there |
| 08:04.17 | wwp | any diffutils package for OS2008? |
| 08:04.26 | LinuxCode | is summary the timesheet ? |
| 08:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | Now you've learned to check settings more thoroughly in the future, dpb_. ;) |
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| 08:05.10 | LinuxCode | wwp, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 08:05.12 | dpb_ | naw. :P |
| 08:06.16 | wwp | LinuxCode: gronmayer is already in my sources list, can't find diffutils |
| 08:06.28 | LinuxCode | guess not then ;-] |
| 08:06.44 | wwp | :\ |
| 08:07.11 | wwp | I'm stuck w/ the application manager, in which every download will fail |
| 08:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | Logs? |
| 08:07.30 | wwp | the funniest thing is that packages installation works in command-line using apt-get |
| 08:07.37 | wwp | but I don't know how to see a list of available packages |
| 08:07.47 | LinuxCode | dpkg -l |
| 08:07.56 | LinuxCode | ohh available ? |
| 08:08.02 | wwp | hi GeneralAntilles (I remember you from the forums) |
| 08:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 08:08.14 | wwp | yes, a list of avail. packages like in the app manager |
| 08:08.17 | wwp | :) |
| 08:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/updating-redhat/apt-howto/how-to-use-apt-cache.html |
| 08:08.28 | LinuxCode | cant recall the other |
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| 08:08.34 | LinuxCode | apt-cache something |
| 08:08.38 | LinuxCode | i assume |
| 08:08.50 | wwp | ahhh\ |
| 08:08.56 | wwp | good idea to look at the logs |
| 08:09.07 | wwp | the d/l fetch failed 'cause mmc2 is in R-O mode |
| 08:09.12 | wwp | holy shit |
| 08:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | There you go. |
| 08:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's corrupted |
| 08:09.25 | GeneralAntilles | format it. |
| 08:09.27 | wwp | this reminds me smth from the forum too! |
| 08:09.33 | wwp | corrupted? wow. |
| 08:09.47 | wwp | would be nice to know what corrupted it |
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| 08:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Could be anything |
| 08:10.02 | wwp | or this might happen again and again, no? |
| 08:10.10 | GeneralAntilles | Do you put it in a card reader? |
| 08:10.15 | GeneralAntilles | Or plug in via USB? |
| 08:10.24 | LinuxCode | and forget to unmount ? |
| 08:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Has something crashed during a write? |
| 08:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, you can corrupt it even when it's unmounted. |
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| 08:10.44 | wwp | mmc2 is the internal one |
| 08:10.47 | LinuxCode | im sure |
| 08:10.49 | wwp | and it's N810 |
| 08:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 08:10.58 | LinuxCode | ohh dear |
| 08:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | Something crashed during a write, then. |
| 08:11.01 | wwp | but, mount -o remount,rw /media/mmc2 did it |
| 08:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | Card readers have a buffer |
| 08:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | so even if it's no longer mounted by the OS |
| 08:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | the card reader may still be writing |
| 08:11.32 | wwp | possible, I had several app crashing once |
| 08:11.32 | LinuxCode | didnt know that |
| 08:11.43 | LinuxCode | interesting |
| 08:11.55 | wwp | but the device rebooted several time since |
| 08:12.25 | wwp | in the n810, mmc2 is a card?? |
| 08:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | If the hardware watchdog steps in, that could've done it, too. |
| 08:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | More or less, wwp. |
| 08:12.45 | wwp | ahh now, it works in the app manager! |
| 08:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's just soldered to the board rather than being in its own little plastic case. |
| 08:12.50 | wwp | w/ just a remount |
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| 08:13.06 | wwp | strange |
| 08:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | Which is a really stupid plan to me considering the life of flash memory. |
| 08:13.19 | wwp | I'll reboot to see if mmc2 is always mounted as ro at startup |
| 08:14.00 | wwp | this app manager is not smart, it allows installing duplicates in sources list ;) |
| 08:14.07 | wwp | GeneralAntilles: true |
| 08:14.23 | wwp | I've already plugged a mmc1 ;) |
| 08:14.26 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, agreed |
| 08:14.30 | wwp | which is not compliant to the specs (it's a miniSD 4GB) |
| 08:14.32 | wwp | works well |
| 08:14.40 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 08:14.45 | LinuxCode | it supports 8 gb |
| 08:14.59 | wwp | hm? |
| 08:15.04 | LinuxCode | some sites claim 10 |
| 08:15.06 | wwp | no, SDHC is up to 8GB |
| 08:15.06 | wwp | SD is up to 2GB according to n810 specs |
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| 08:15.14 | LinuxCode | not mini sd |
| 08:15.19 | GeneralAntilles | SDHC is up to 2048GB |
| 08:15.21 | wwp | all sizes might work, I presume |
| 08:15.28 | johnx | heh...don't they let you swap to the internal memory, on an N810? |
| 08:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | SD spec says 2GB |
| 08:15.38 | LinuxCode | johnx, yes mate |
| 08:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | There are tons of 4GB SD cards, though. |
| 08:15.46 | wwp | as usually, nokia says it's up to N because at the time they edit the specs, there's nothing more than N |
| 08:15.46 | LinuxCode | 128+128mb |
| 08:15.57 | inz | johnx, I wouldn't do that |
| 08:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, johnx, but ITOS's vm isn't very swappy. |
| 08:16.08 | LinuxCode | johnx, youcan enable it |
| 08:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Swapping has been around since the 770 days |
| 08:16.43 | GeneralAntilles | and I've yet to burn out a card |
| 08:16.44 | inz | johnx, swapping on a non-replaceable flash doesn't sound too nice |
| 08:16.55 | wwp | hm, my mmc2 always mounts as ro, strange |
| 08:17.02 | inz | General, sure, it wears out slowly, but it does |
| 08:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's corrupted, wwp. |
| 08:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | Balancing the life of the device against the life of the flash, with the multitasking gains . . . |
| 08:18.06 | wwp | [ 50.750000] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev mmcblk1p1) |
| 08:18.06 | wwp | [ 50.750000] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 08:18.06 | wwp | [ 50.750000] File system has been set read-only |
| 08:18.24 | wwp | [ 51.437500] JFFS2 warning: (1259) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -786 |
| 08:18.30 | wwp | nice :) |
| 08:19.05 | wwp | aren't there fat tools to fix fats? |
| 08:19.56 | wwp | like fsck.vfat |
| 08:20.51 | wwp | ahh yes |
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| 08:27.38 | sgbirch | I owned the N800 for just over a year, in all that time not a single package was updated. Were the packages being updated without my knowledge or does Nokia just not use the apt mechanism? |
| 08:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, uh, OS updates are done through FIASCO images |
| 08:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | Firmware flashing. |
| 08:30.09 | inz | You "can" do some updates via apt, but it can (and most likely will) break things |
| 08:30.12 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: But shouldnt the applications be upgraded as bug fixes are released? |
| 08:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd-party stuff, yes. |
| 08:30.37 | inz | The internal applications don't have bugs ;) |
| 08:30.43 | wwp | GeneralAntilles: FYI, I could fix the fat fs |
| 08:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | ^ of course. |
| 08:30.49 | wwp | w/o reformatting indeed |
| 08:30.56 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Yeah sure ... no bugs |
| 08:30.58 | wwp | now the internal card does auto mount as rw |
| 08:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | Good job, wwp. |
| 08:31.22 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: You HAVE to be kidding. Is it closed source? I cant understand why the community hasnt cleaned them up |
| 08:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, how did you own an N800 for a year and not understand how the update system worked? |
| 08:31.29 | wwp | :D |
| 08:31.34 | LinuxCode | wwp, how did you fix it ? |
| 08:31.50 | LinuxCode | just in case i mess it up too |
| 08:31.53 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I dont use it very often. Actually, the promise was greater than the reality. |
| 08:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | wwp, it's easier for me to tell people to reformat than go through the trouble of checking the fs. ;) |
| 08:32.02 | LinuxCode | fsck ? |
| 08:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | What promise, sgbirch? |
| 08:32.11 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: But I am hooked on Debian in my pocket so I also bought an N810 |
| 08:32.15 | wwp | LinuxCode: booted the n810 in usb mode, plugged to my laptop. fsck.vfat -a on the internal storage |
| 08:32.16 | GeneralAntilles | and, seriously, if you're still running the original OS. . . . |
| 08:32.22 | wwp | GeneralAntilles: I see :) |
| 08:32.34 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I thought it would be more like the Ubuntu experience, a ton of applications all installable using apt-get |
| 08:32.38 | LinuxCode | usb mode ? |
| 08:32.48 | wwp | LinuxCode: is has found some broken fat entries, a directory in where I did intensive read/write operations |
| 08:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | Er, that's more or less how it is. |
| 08:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | There are just a lot of repositories. |
| 08:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, that certainly wasn't "promised" in any case. |
| 08:33.30 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, start packaging then |
| 08:33.32 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 08:33.37 | wwp | LinuxCode: connect your nxxx device to another system using the usb wire. press&hold the center button and turn on the nxxx |
| 08:33.45 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: That is an interesting point. |
| 08:33.46 | LinuxCode | aha! |
| 08:33.48 | LinuxCode | cheers |
| 08:33.59 | wwp | LinuxCode: while it's starting you can release the center button |
| 08:34.03 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I looked at the maemo site but couldnt really find my away around |
| 08:34.08 | L0cutus | i'm booting from SD (mmc2) and EVERY TIME i fsck it after a week, it foud some errors to fix... |
| 08:34.11 | L0cutus | found* |
| 08:34.15 | wwp | LinuxCode: I found this on .. well somewhere on the net |
| 08:34.23 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Suppose I did start packaging, where would I go to release the packages? |
| 08:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is really directed at devs. |
| 08:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | garage.maemo.org |
| 08:34.34 | wwp | L0cutus: n800? |
| 08:34.49 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I am comfortable with debian packages so am interested in helping |
| 08:34.58 | *** join/#maemo guardian (n=guardian@c-67-180-181-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:35.00 | L0cutus | wwp, yes |
| 08:35.05 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, grab the vmware dsk |
| 08:35.06 | *** join/#maemo vish_ (n=vish@a91-153-171-91.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 08:35.07 | LinuxCode | sdk |
| 08:35.12 | wwp | funny that the internal storage in the n810 is mmc2, mmc1 is the free miniSD slot :) |
| 08:35.17 | LinuxCode | then all ya have to do is package up |
| 08:35.22 | wwp | I presume in the n800, mmc1 and mmc2 are free slots? |
| 08:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | Same way it is on the N800, wwp. |
| 08:35.27 | wwp | LinuxCode: what? a vmware sdk?? |
| 08:35.30 | L0cutus | wwp, as in n800 |
| 08:35.31 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 08:35.34 | wwp | LinuxCode: where! |
| 08:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Which evolved from the way it was on the 770. |
| 08:35.41 | LinuxCode | google vmware maemo sdk |
| 08:35.44 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: OK ... I am at garage.maemo.org |
| 08:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | Register for an account, then go install the SDK. |
| 08:36.08 | LinuxCode | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:36.20 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Quick aside before I go on. Was there an update for the n810 just released? |
| 08:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | 50-2 |
| 08:36.31 | wwp | LinuxCode: thx! |
| 08:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | For both the N800 and the N810. |
| 08:36.37 | LinuxCode | wwp, please |
| 08:36.40 | LinuxCode | pleasure |
| 08:36.46 | LinuxCode | thank whoever told me yesterday |
| 08:36.55 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I dont do windoes, can I flash from Linux? |
| 08:37.11 | wwp | sgbirch: yes |
| 08:37.23 | GeneralAntilles | tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_n800.php tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_n810.php tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 08:37.30 | L0cutus | hum, claws-mail upgrade on the air :) |
| 08:37.39 | sgbirch | wwp: excellent ... ok, Ill grab that update later, right now I am short on time so want to see the vmware sdk |
| 08:38.16 | wwp | I prefer vmwares for crosscompiling |
| 08:38.22 | wwp | way more convenient |
| 08:38.22 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I am at garage.maemo.org .. lots of news, cant see the vmware image. |
| 08:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Follow the link a few lines up. |
| 08:38.45 | wwp | sgbirch: LinuxCode has pasted the link few lines above |
| 08:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | The one from LinuxCode. |
| 08:39.23 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: OK ... but why WHY wast it more obvious from the garage page? |
| 08:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Er, because it's not an officially supported tool? |
| 08:40.33 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: should I use BT? |
| 08:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | Sure? |
| 08:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | Use whatever works best for you. |
| 08:41.14 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: another Q, why is there a part 1 and a part2? |
| 08:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I've never used the VMWare image. No machines that'll run it over here. |
| 08:42.02 | sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: maemo-sdk-vmware (part 1), maemo-sdk-vmware (part 2). Nothing about that on the page! |
| 08:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | I don't maintain it. |
| 08:42.27 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, its like rar |
| 08:42.32 | LinuxCode | p7zip |
| 08:42.45 | LinuxCode | multiarchive |
| 08:44.13 | sgbirch | This is exactly my problem with the whole Nokia and Maemo experience. Somebody really needs to spend some time cleaning up the site so there is a clear path to follow. Mystical Part 1 and Part 2, no links to the VM etc etc. It is incredibly difficult for a new guy to get involved. When I looked before (a year ago) I just gave up. |
| 08:44.51 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, errm |
| 08:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | There's a big giant tutorial on there. |
| 08:45.16 | LinuxCode | I found it |
| 08:45.24 | LinuxCode | and if you google |
| 08:45.27 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 08:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | and, generally speaking, if you can't get the dev environment set up, then it's probably not for you. ;) |
| 08:45.31 | LinuxCode | it shows up |
| 08:46.02 | dpb_ | vmware on the garage search goes right into the vmware page |
| 08:46.23 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: But dont you think maemo.org should take you there. I am sure I would have found it .. but ... |
| 08:46.29 | sgbirch | I didnt even know the VM existed. |
| 08:46.38 | LinuxCode | besides..nokia != maemo |
| 08:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | The VMWare image is not officially supported or maintained. |
| 08:46.57 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Ahhhh ... now that explains something |
| 08:47.10 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: I though maemo was from Nokia |
| 08:47.27 | johnx | Nokia started maemo and spun it off to be it's own thing |
| 08:47.36 | johnx | AFAIK |
| 08:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's still part of Nokia. |
| 08:47.38 | dpb_ | Maemo is sponsored by Nokia, as it says on maemo.org. |
| 08:48.07 | dpb_ | johnx: They're "trying" to, but it hasn't really worked so great so far. :) |
| 08:48.14 | johnx | ah, ok |
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| 08:48.29 | sgbirch | dpb_: Are they open to suggestions? |
| 08:48.50 | sgbirch | dpb_: I ***REALLY*** want to see linux tablets take off. |
| 08:49.23 | dpb_ | sure, the bug tracker has feature requests and the mailing lists can be used for talking. |
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| 08:49.34 | sgbirch | I cant stand not being able to control my phone. The logical next step for the N810 has got to be a phone device |
| 08:49.48 | LinuxCode | no thanks |
| 08:49.50 | LinuxCode | drains battery |
| 08:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 08:49.54 | wumpus | oh no, please no hybrid phone device again |
| 08:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | Costs money. |
| 08:50.02 | johnx | sgbirch, Don't hold your breath on that |
| 08:50.02 | wumpus | you look like an idiot putting a n800 to your ear :P |
| 08:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | Requires more certs |
| 08:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | carrier sponsorship |
| 08:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 08:50.16 | LinuxCode | gay contracts |
| 08:50.18 | sgbirch | wow!!!!! lots of comments on that |
| 08:50.22 | dpb_ | hehe |
| 08:50.23 | wumpus | idd GeneralAntilles it imposes some constraints in some countries that are incompatible with open source |
| 08:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | I already have a phone. |
| 08:50.37 | LinuxCode | aka the iphone syndrome |
| 08:50.37 | wumpus | you can interface it to your phone via bluetooth which is very nice |
| 08:50.44 | LinuxCode | wumpus, yeh |
| 08:50.45 | johnx | it's been rehashed enough times that everyone has an opinion on it now |
| 08:50.51 | sgbirch | I have a HW6915 from HP but I never could get the N800 to talk to the net through it |
| 08:50.56 | LinuxCode | johnx, im not done yet |
| 08:50.58 | LinuxCode | j/k |
| 08:51.00 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 08:51.01 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 08:51.04 | sgbirch | Spent about 2 hours with T-Mobile. Failed |
| 08:51.08 | johnx | :P |
| 08:51.32 | johnx | N8x0 supports BT DUN but not not BT PAN out of the box (from what I hear) |
| 08:51.33 | sgbirch | That was all part of the reason why the N800 was never used much |
| 08:51.40 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, failure seems to be your mission hehe |
| 08:51.47 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 08:51.59 | LinuxCode | <---- has a motto |
| 08:52.00 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Not in most walks of life, but I have had a bad time with the Nx |
| 08:52.07 | LinuxCode | if you fail...try and try again |
| 08:52.11 | LinuxCode | 95% it works |
| 08:52.21 | LinuxCode | for me anyway |
| 08:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | PAN support is doable. |
| 08:52.30 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Im here! I have the N810. I aint giving up |
| 08:52.37 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 08:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly the issue is that it's not part of the (closed source) gui interfaces, yet. |
| 08:52.46 | LinuxCode | N810 worked with my old P800 |
| 08:52.52 | hendry | N800 chinook is much better than Windows Mobile 6 already ;) |
| 08:53.00 | sgbirch | Hooking to the internet is difficult though. I am in UK right now and the failed link is in the US. So I can only debug when across the pond |
| 08:53.13 | LinuxCode | huh ? |
| 08:53.19 | LinuxCode | Im in the Uk |
| 08:53.22 | LinuxCode | works fine |
| 08:53.28 | sgbirch | hendry: Errr ... sorry. What is chinook? |
| 08:53.31 | LinuxCode | its probably your service provider |
| 08:53.38 | LinuxCode | its locked |
| 08:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | The ITOS2008 codename. |
| 08:53.44 | LinuxCode | you must unlock inet access.. |
| 08:53.50 | LinuxCode | it wont be part of your unlimited deal |
| 08:53.54 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: T-Mobile. They spent hours with me trying to get it working. |
| 08:54.00 | pupnik_ | Anyone tried a non-nokia BP-4l battery yet? |
| 08:54.03 | LinuxCode | trust me... |
| 08:54.08 | hendry | sgbirch: codename of latest mamo work |
| 08:54.09 | LinuxCode | your US contract is not the same here |
| 08:54.11 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: really ... that sucks |
| 08:54.17 | wumpus | it usually even works it if't not officially part of your deal, but that depends on the phone :) |
| 08:54.25 | sgbirch | hendry: is it in the open, or behind closed doors? |
| 08:54.26 | LinuxCode | its country specific |
| 08:54.35 | *** part/#maemo Cptn-N800 (n=user@158.36.200.227) |
| 08:54.36 | hendry | sgbirch: open of course |
| 08:54.36 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: I use Vodafone in the UK |
| 08:54.41 | sgbirch | hendry: cool |
| 08:54.49 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, most providers lock you out |
| 08:54.56 | LinuxCode | so you dont get back and bitch at them |
| 08:55.06 | LinuxCode | saying..unlimited blah blah |
| 08:55.09 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: I dont even try to link to the internet in the UK. Rip Off Britain pricing doesnt appeal |
| 08:55.18 | LinuxCode | because they get charged...they charge each other |
| 08:55.24 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: If they priced like the US I would go ahead |
| 08:55.28 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, google thecloud |
| 08:55.31 | LinuxCode | £7 |
| 08:55.34 | wumpus | but yeah in the US they put draconian restrictions on phones :p |
| 08:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | *Verizon puts draconian restrictions on phones. |
| 08:55.58 | sgbirch | wumpus: yes. They are about 2-3 years behind the UK in technology. That is true |
| 08:55.58 | LinuxCode | sgbirch, google is a wonderful thing |
| 08:56.00 | hendry | thecloud-- # it sucks |
| 08:56.16 | LinuxCode | hendry, why ? |
| 08:56.25 | LinuxCode | better than 3g |
| 08:56.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:56.28 | LinuxCode | and paying loads |
| 08:56.29 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: What about fon? |
| 08:56.34 | LinuxCode | fon ? |
| 08:56.40 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Shouldnt that be huge by now thanks to BT? |
| 08:56.47 | LinuxCode | errm |
| 08:56.51 | LinuxCode | never heard of fon |
| 08:57.04 | LinuxCode | but thecloud has 75% of all wlan points |
| 08:57.11 | LinuxCode | I was under the impression BT started it |
| 08:57.13 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Yeah ... use google, it is a wonderful thing :-) |
| 08:57.16 | LinuxCode | maybe im wrong |
| 08:57.30 | LinuxCode | unless they made a deal a few years back |
| 08:57.32 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: www.fon.com |
| 08:57.34 | LinuxCode | and I recall that |
| 08:58.00 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: You agree to share 10% of you home bandwidth but can use the 10% all others make available |
| 08:58.04 | LinuxCode | no way thats bt approved |
| 08:58.16 | LinuxCode | they switch people off |
| 08:58.16 | *** join/#maemo michele_ (n=michele@pdpc/supporter/active/michele) |
| 08:58.19 | LinuxCode | for doing that |
| 08:58.27 | LinuxCode | terms and conditions |
| 08:58.31 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: BT has become an amazing company |
| 08:58.38 | LinuxCode | pfff |
| 08:58.38 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Other ISPs switch you off |
| 08:58.45 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 08:58.50 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: BT now makes it a part of their service |
| 08:58.51 | wumpus | it's not like they can really detect it anyway |
| 08:58.55 | LinuxCode | you def are american |
| 08:59.05 | LinuxCode | too much faith |
| 08:59.23 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: No .. check out http://www.bt.com/btfon |
| 08:59.58 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: BT has also introduced home TV over the net, and they are getting into podcasting. |
| 09:00.08 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: Somebody at BT has a clue |
| 09:00.12 | hendry | LinuxCode: completely unreliable. 3G has far better coverage. |
| 09:00.22 | LinuxCode | hendry, thats true |
| 09:00.26 | LinuxCode | however... |
| 09:00.31 | LinuxCode | I wouldnt surf over 3g |
| 09:00.34 | LinuxCode | its expensive |
| 09:00.38 | LinuxCode | only ssh via it |
| 09:01.01 | hendry | LinuxCode: 3G isn't that expensive. many mobile packages include internet nowadays |
| 09:01.13 | LinuxCode | yeh like 10mb |
| 09:01.14 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 09:01.18 | LinuxCode | no thanks |
| 09:01.24 | michele_ | sgbirch: Telecom Italia has introduced IPTV too. And it's awful *and* expensive. |
| 09:01.33 | dpb_ | I pay 10 euros a month for unlimited 3G |
| 09:01.38 | sgbirch | michele_: Have you seen miro |
| 09:01.44 | LinuxCode | euros yeh |
| 09:01.48 | LinuxCode | this is the UK |
| 09:01.51 | sgbirch | michele_: That is the TV of the future, its very cool |
| 09:01.55 | LinuxCode | UK = rip off |
| 09:01.58 | michele_ | sgbirch: yer, why should it matter in this discussion? |
| 09:02.30 | sgbirch | michele_: I was esponding to your comment about IPTV |
| 09:02.35 | sgbirch | *responding |
| 09:03.04 | dpb_ | oh wait, the speed is limited though.. only 364k.. oh well.. |
| 09:03.14 | sgbirch | I wish miro was on the n8x0 |
| 09:03.42 | dpb_ | what's miro? |
| 09:04.04 | dpb_ | ah, googl answered. |
| 09:04.06 | dpb_ | google* |
| 09:04.49 | sgbirch | dpb_: Nice thing about miro, downloads are in background so no bandwidth problems, bt so providers dont have to have a fat pipe. |
| 09:05.08 | sgbirch | dpb_: Its like joose TV done right. |
| 09:05.18 | sgbirch | dpb_: anyway, off topic. Sorry |
| 09:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | BT is great, unless you have Comcast. |
| 09:05.43 | michele_ | well, the big problem with miro is content |
| 09:05.44 | sgbirch | Guys .. I have to go now. MOT time, wish me luck. |
| 09:05.53 | LinuxCode | mot ? |
| 09:06.02 | michele_ | as it is with joots, to a *slightly* lesser extent |
| 09:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | tvrss, michele_. ;) |
| 09:06.07 | LinuxCode | as in m.o.t ? |
| 09:06.37 | sgbirch | LinuxCode: yeah ... gotta take the rust bucket to have the government clowns ok it for another year |
| 09:06.45 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 09:06.50 | michele_ | GeneralAntilles: eh, point :) |
| 09:06.54 | sgbirch | bye |
| 09:06.56 | *** part/#maemo sgbirch (n=sgbirch@212.159.52.225) |
| 09:07.19 | LinuxCode | my god this chan is chatty |
| 09:07.26 | LinuxCode | I might have to part |
| 09:07.27 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 09:07.29 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 09:07.37 | dpb_ | naw, it's a quiet chan. :P |
| 09:07.40 | LinuxCode | its eating my ircz bandwidth rofl |
| 09:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there are a lot more chatty channels. |
| 09:07.55 | GeneralAntilles | Try #macosx. ;) |
| 09:08.01 | LinuxCode | was a joke guys |
| 09:08.03 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 09:08.04 | michele_ | or #ubuntu |
| 09:09.27 | *** join/#maemo ssvb (n=ssvb@vbaltd.vba.com.by) |
| 09:10.10 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.48 | LinuxCode | sweet ..the user pass didnt lock me out haha |
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| 09:34.02 | chille | how do i install the gtkmm files in scratchbox? |
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| 09:34.21 | LinuxCode | fedora has an arm project ;-D |
| 09:34.29 | LinuxCode | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM |
| 09:34.31 | LinuxCode | ;-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd |
| 09:34.33 | chille | i know there is a deb package, but apt-get install dosn't work from scratchbox |
| 09:37.55 | johnx | chille, did you fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf file? |
| 09:38.09 | johnx | LinuxCode, big redhat fan? |
| 09:38.18 | LinuxCode | fedora fan |
| 09:38.29 | LinuxCode | not necessarily redhat |
| 09:38.45 | LinuxCode | i got shot of my rhe and replaced it with fedora |
| 09:38.50 | LinuxCode | much happier ;-p |
| 09:39.06 | johnx | I got sick of redhat before fedora existed so I never gave it much of a chance |
| 09:39.12 | LinuxCode | hehe |
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| 09:39.17 | johnx | I wonder how many packages they have built compared to debian armel |
| 09:39.26 | LinuxCode | I use it as desktop OS, laptop OS and server OS |
| 09:39.35 | LinuxCode | good question |
| 09:39.40 | LinuxCode | they only started the project |
| 09:39.44 | LinuxCode | theres a rootfs though |
| 09:40.00 | chille | johnx: i don't even know what that file does or why i should fix it :-) |
| 09:40.08 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 09:40.19 | LinuxCode | meh 4 users in the chan ;-[ |
| 09:40.23 | johnx | chille, let me dig up the reference |
| 09:40.24 | Luria | yeah, red hat 4 sucked. |
| 09:40.31 | Luria | heh. |
| 09:40.43 | chille | johnx: okay, thanks |
| 09:41.50 | johnx | redhat 5.1 sucked, skipped 6 and 7. 8 and 9 sucked. |
| 09:42.06 | johnx | chille, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_Maemo_SDK_on_Scratchbox |
| 09:42.17 | johnx | do what it says with nsswitch.conf :) |
| 09:42.26 | chille | johnx: okay :) |
| 09:42.41 | LinuxCode | http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Everything/arm/os/Packages/ <-- john |
| 09:42.48 | johnx | cool |
| 09:43.23 | johnx | this might take a while to load O_o |
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| 09:43.42 | hendry | that vmware maemo image doesn't seem to have the latest sb2-style SDK installed |
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| 09:44.07 | LinuxCode | armv5tel...is that our arm arch ? |
| 09:44.28 | johnx | we're arm6tje but armv5te will run fine |
| 09:44.36 | LinuxCode | k |
| 09:44.39 | johnx | the important thing is that we're both "EABI" |
| 09:44.44 | LinuxCode | well still needs hildon stuff |
| 09:44.55 | johnx | debian already has the hildon stuff |
| 09:44.55 | LinuxCode | whats eabi ? |
| 09:44.56 | Cptnodegard | gpe doesnt support vcalendar? 8# |
| 09:45.08 | LinuxCode | Cptnodegard, does |
| 09:45.15 | chille | johnx: still don't works, I think the problem is something else, because it just says SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set when i try to run apt-get, dpkg or even something at all |
| 09:45.51 | LinuxCode | johnx, if I knew this worked |
| 09:45.52 | Cptnodegard | it suport icalendar apaprently so no biggy xD |
| 09:46.00 | LinuxCode | I would build up hildon |
| 09:46.12 | LinuxCode | but def need a build dir |
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| 09:46.18 | johnx | chille, aaah. ok, you have some different problem... |
| 09:46.19 | LinuxCode | there has to be a sdk |
| 09:46.35 | johnx | install it in qemu :) instant SDK |
| 09:46.44 | LinuxCode | yeh the maemo one |
| 09:46.49 | LinuxCode | I meant for fedora |
| 09:46.51 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 09:46.59 | LinuxCode | not sure that would work |
| 09:47.12 | johnx | nah, I mean fedora. Install the whole thing in qemu-arm-system |
| 09:47.20 | LinuxCode | would have to build a cross-compile environment |
| 09:47.21 | johnx | grab a kernel and a rootfs |
| 09:47.30 | LinuxCode | hmmm I see! |
| 09:47.33 | johnx | then you skip the whole cross compile terror |
| 09:47.44 | johnx | at the cost of lots of speed and RAM |
| 09:47.58 | LinuxCode | <-- quad core |
| 09:48.01 | LinuxCode | dont care |
| 09:48.06 | Luria | sigh. somehow manged to kill alsa on eeexubuntu. |
| 09:48.10 | johnx | qemu only runs on one core :) |
| 09:48.14 | Luria | brb |
| 09:48.19 | LinuxCode | thats ok john |
| 09:48.23 | LinuxCode | I could live with that |
| 09:48.27 | LinuxCode | as long as the puter is usable |
| 09:48.30 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
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| 09:48.44 | johnx | or you could run 4 copies of qemu and use distcc |
| 09:48.51 | Luria | heh |
| 09:48.54 | LinuxCode | was just thinking that myself |
| 09:48.55 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 09:48.58 | LinuxCode | ! |
| 09:49.12 | LinuxCode | not the qemu bit but yeh |
| 09:49.14 | LinuxCode | distcc |
| 09:49.20 | johnx | I was trying to get a cross compile distcc setup earlier today |
| 09:49.26 | LinuxCode | im happy that they are at least doing it |
| 09:49.34 | johnx | it doesn't seem to integrate to easily with building debian packages |
| 09:49.37 | LinuxCode | I was on about it all day |
| 09:49.44 | johnx | yeah, the more choice the better |
| 09:49.46 | LinuxCode | in the fedora chan |
| 09:49.51 | LinuxCode | exactly |
| 09:50.23 | LinuxCode | can only benefit every distro |
| 09:50.30 | johnx | and I'm sure lots of patches will go both ways |
| 09:50.34 | Luria | set it up on ITs for native compiliation :-) |
| 09:50.36 | LinuxCode | def |
| 09:50.48 | LinuxCode | Luria, sure |
| 09:50.53 | LinuxCode | and wait 100 years for compile |
| 09:50.57 | Luria | mesh network compilation party :-) |
| 09:51.00 | LinuxCode | sounds like a plan |
| 09:51.02 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 09:51.14 | LinuxCode | downloaded the rootfs |
| 09:51.14 | johnx | Luria, I ran the native compile on my zaurus for a while, but my athon 64 is faster at emulating an arm than the n800 is at *being* an arm |
| 09:51.18 | LinuxCode | its 90MB! |
| 09:51.57 | LinuxCode | actually packed |
| 09:52.00 | LinuxCode | 300MB total |
| 09:52.01 | Luria | well, on the serious - the point is to avoid qemu bugs, not provide speed |
| 09:52.25 | johnx | Luria, a good point if I was using this for production stuff |
| 09:52.47 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 09:52.53 | johnx | also, I think the debian-m68k guys use qemu now for a lot of stuff |
| 09:52.53 | chille | wtf is /scratchbox/tolols/bin/misc_runner? :o |
| 09:52.56 | LinuxCode | Im kinda itching to install this |
| 09:52.58 | chille | tools* |
| 09:53.01 | LinuxCode | despite not having hildon |
| 09:53.09 | LinuxCode | but I havent got time for this atm |
| 09:53.11 | LinuxCode | meh |
| 09:53.20 | johnx | LinuxCode, so just unpack it on a card and chroot it |
| 09:53.22 | Luria | a buddy o'mine who used to do embedded programming for work compiles on his projects on his iphone for similar reasons |
| 09:53.31 | LinuxCode | johnx, that will boot ? |
| 09:53.40 | johnx | probably not |
| 09:53.43 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 09:53.44 | johnx | but you can chroot in and play |
| 09:53.51 | LinuxCode | true |
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| 09:53.55 | LinuxCode | i suppose |
| 09:55.17 | johnx | chille, it looks like maybe a renamed version of qemu? or possibly a wrapper for qemu? |
| 09:55.31 | LinuxCode | this will be very exciting |
| 09:56.02 | johnx | yeah, EABI finally has support from the big distros |
| 09:56.04 | LinuxCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.10 | LinuxCode | woah! |
| 09:56.18 | johnx | this will open up a lot of fun for tablets/zauruses |
| 09:56.20 | chille | johnx: hmm. i don't know. but it looks like when i type a command on scratchbox misc_runner tries to execute the command but fails |
| 09:56.36 | johnx | hmm |
| 09:57.46 | LinuxCode | lol gnome |
| 09:57.51 | LinuxCode | I bet that wouldnt even load |
| 09:58.56 | johnx | LinuxCode, it should with swap |
| 09:59.03 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 09:59.12 | LinuxCode | *temptation* |
| 09:59.29 | LinuxCode | ive set it all up now |
| 09:59.33 | Luria | sigh, i think it's time for a reboot |
| 09:59.37 | LinuxCode | dont want to fuck it up ;-| |
| 09:59.39 | LinuxCode | ehh mess |
| 09:59.45 | LinuxCode | sorry for bad language |
| 10:00.05 | johnx | LinuxCode, are you booting from flash? |
| 10:00.13 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 10:00.29 | LinuxCode | you mean flash = internal sd card right ? |
| 10:00.36 | LinuxCode | ohh no |
| 10:00.39 | LinuxCode | you dont |
| 10:00.42 | johnx | I mean the internal NAND |
| 10:00.43 | LinuxCode | yeh flash |
| 10:00.43 | johnx | so install the modified initfs, boot from sd card and mess around on that :) |
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| 10:01.05 | LinuxCode | modified initfs ? |
| 10:01.10 | johnx | from fanoush |
| 10:01.20 | johnx | let me dig it up |
| 10:01.27 | LinuxCode | sweet thanks |
| 10:01.52 | johnx | basically, kernel loads, then this loads instead of init and lets you pick the root device |
| 10:02.06 | LinuxCode | like grub |
| 10:02.10 | LinuxCode | kinda cool |
| 10:02.20 | johnx | except grub is before the kernel and this is after |
| 10:02.23 | LinuxCode | a fake bootloader |
| 10:02.27 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 10:02.29 | johnx | right |
| 10:02.48 | LinuxCode | try that on winblows ehh ? |
| 10:02.49 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 10:03.04 | johnx | actually, I'll give you a google search instead: fanoush initfs boot sd |
| 10:03.13 | johnx | way more info than on any one page ;) |
| 10:03.24 | LinuxCode | loool |
| 10:03.25 | LinuxCode | kk |
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| 10:11.17 | LinuxCode | hey john a big thank you |
| 10:11.25 | LinuxCode | for all the hints and advice |
| 10:11.28 | LinuxCode | appreciate it |
| 10:11.41 | LinuxCode | I should go to bed |
| 10:11.43 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 10:11.45 | LinuxCode | 10am |
| 10:11.57 | johnx | 'night |
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| 10:12.06 | LinuxCode | nn |
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| 10:13.56 | johnx | ls |
| 10:14.09 | johnx | gah, wrong window |
| 10:15.03 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | dreams |
| 10:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | failures |
| 10:15.23 | johnx | all of these can be yours if the price is right? |
| 10:16.19 | jumpula | x) |
| 10:16.29 | Luria | hope she goes out with you, dream of a happy marriage, inevitability. |
| 10:16.43 | jumpula | almost choked on my cola |
| 10:16.46 | Luria | or something. |
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| 10:27.17 | Spakman | Can anyone tell me how to set a preferred application for a certain mime type? |
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| 10:41.18 | hugolp | where can I find info about catching the signal for fullscreen mode? |
| 10:41.50 | johnx | doesn't the fullscreen button send like a keypress? |
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| 10:42.09 | hugolp | johnx: probably, thats what I want to know |
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| 10:43.46 | johnx | hugolp, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard |
| 10:44.16 | johnx | i know it's about keyboards but it mentions what key goes with what function |
| 10:44.24 | hugolp | thanks |
| 10:44.39 | Khertan | Spakman > if u have any information about mime in file manager ... i'm looking for too |
| 10:45.25 | hugolp | johnx: no, Im looking to catch the fullscreen mode signal in a C aplication Im porting |
| 10:45.44 | hugolp | I read that previously it was done automatic but now the developer has to take care of it |
| 10:46.06 | johnx | ah, ok |
| 10:46.25 | solmumaha | hugolp: Gdk::Keyval::GDK_F6 |
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| 10:58.10 | henrique | does anyone know if are there updated telepathy packages for maemo chinook? |
| 11:01.35 | Khertan | Maybe someone can help me ... i get some problem to get a transparent widget ... |
| 11:02.08 | Khertan | as i get an argb colormap and set it to the widget ... but white is still white ... no transparency |
| 11:03.23 | inz | I would guess you're screwed |
| 11:04.01 | inz | "all" gtk widgets create their own X windows and X doesn't really do (alpha)transparency |
| 11:04.01 | Spakman | Khertan: OK. What do you mean "mime in file manager"? |
| 11:04.44 | michele_ | the home applets are transparent |
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| 11:04.51 | Khertan | inz > so home applets are transparent ? |
| 11:05.41 | Khertan | Spakman > filemanager use mime to choose application to launch when you try to open a file ... and i m trying to associate .py file to pygtkeditor |
| 11:06.34 | Khertan | inz> and one of the main update of chinook is that now window manager do now transparency :) |
| 11:07.55 | Spakman | Khertan: ah, OK |
| 11:08.05 | inz | Khertan, hmm they indeed are, I wonder if it's real on "pseudo" transparency |
| 11:08.11 | Spakman | Khertan: I'm trying to associate RSS feeds to a different application |
| 11:08.48 | Khertan | Spakman> so take a look at /usr/share/applications/mimecache |
| 11:09.25 | Khertan | Spakman > but it s just a cache ... look in the osso-rssreader.desktop too |
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| 11:10.46 | michele_ | inz: put one over another and watch them update |
| 11:11.20 | inz | michele, yeah, noticed that |
| 11:11.53 | inz | Khertan, I guess you have to do X{composite,damage,render} stuff yourself, see https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/libhildondesktop/hildon-home-area.c |
| 11:11.58 | Spakman | Khertan: thanks! How is the cache generated? |
| 11:16.41 | Khertan | Spakman it s my problem ... i don t know ... |
| 11:17.15 | Tama^2 | the cache seems to be managed by this lib https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libossomime/ |
| 11:18.06 | LoCusF | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.40 | LoCusF | argh wron chan :) |
| 11:18.44 | inz | tkäsi! |
| 11:18.56 | Tama^2 | lol |
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| 11:24.16 | Lahiru | Has anyone seen penguinBait? :) |
| 11:24.36 | Lahiru | I was checking since three days :( |
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| 11:33.09 | |tbb| | is there a gconf-gui editor for chinook availabel? |
| 11:33.39 | |tbb| | s/availabel\?/available\?/ |
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| 11:40.39 | johnx | |tbb|, gronmayer.com/it |
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| 11:40.39 | |tbb| | havent found there |
| 11:40.40 | johnx | hmm, strange. I thought I remembered one |
| 11:40.40 | |tbb| | maybe i searched wrong |
| 11:40.40 | johnx | nah, I don't see it either |
| 11:40.40 | X-Fade_ | |tbb|: The indt guys had one. But not sure if they ported it to chinook. |
| 11:40.40 | |tbb| | how does the gui called? |
| 11:40.40 | X-Fade_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/mistral/free/g/gconf-editor/ |
| 11:40.40 | X-Fade_ | This one? |
| 11:40.40 | X-Fade_ | No chinook version it seems.. |
| 11:40.40 | johnx | gconf-editor |
| 11:40.40 | johnx | yeah...I *know* there was at least a version for 2007 |
| 11:40.40 | Nermal | gotta love gconf |
| 11:40.40 | Nermal | after all the bitching over the windows registry |
| 11:40.40 | johnx | yeah, I tend to agree with you |
| 11:40.40 | Tama^2 | Khertan: found how to add mime types |
| 11:40.40 | Nermal | god-awful idea :| |
| 11:40.40 | Tama^2 | in the deb package you need to include an XML file that complies to this schema: http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/shared-mime-info |
| 11:40.50 | Tama^2 | and has to be in /usr/share/mime/packages |
| 11:41.22 | Tama^2 | then in the .deb postinst scripts you do: |
| 11:41.23 | Tama^2 | # Update mime types |
| 11:41.23 | Tama^2 | if [ -x /usr/bin/update-mime-database ]; then |
| 11:41.23 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.23 | Tama^2 | fi |
| 11:41.23 | Tama^2 | # Update mime categories |
| 11:41.25 | Tama^2 | if [ -x /usr/bin/osso-update-category-database ]; then |
| 11:41.27 | Tama^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.28 | hendry | i have a new 810. what's the default root passwd for the terminal? |
| 11:41.29 | Tama^2 | fi |
| 11:42.34 | zaheerm | hendry, install the openssh-server and it'll ask you for a root password to set...then ssh into it as root |
| 11:42.56 | inz | or enable r&d -mode and do sudo gainroot, or... |
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| 11:44.11 | hendry | inz: r&d mode? how i enable that? |
| 11:44.11 | inz | hendry, with the flasher tool |
| 11:44.11 | b0unc3 | or install becomeroot pkg |
| 11:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Or just install becomeroot |
| 11:44.26 | johnx | enabling r&d mode is the hardest, least safe way to do it |
| 11:44.33 | johnx | just install becomeroot or openssh-server |
| 11:45.46 | hendry | i guess i need another pkg list for apt-getting openssh-server as the default doesn't seem to have it |
| 11:46.35 | hendry | ah, need to enable maemo extras |
| 11:46.41 | johnx | hendry, yes |
| 11:46.58 | johnx | also http://gronmayer.com/it has lists of what packages are where |
| 11:47.57 | hendry | thanks for the help guys |
| 11:48.14 | hendry | is there java for the n810? |
| 11:48.19 | johnx | no |
| 11:48.27 | johnx | or...kinda, sorta |
| 11:49.16 | hendry | johnx: are you referring to the jolito project? |
| 11:50.02 | johnx | I know there's not official support, but every so often I hear rumblings of someone getting something running |
| 11:51.27 | johnx | hendry, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo |
| 11:51.36 | johnx | looks like java 1.5SE with no swing |
| 11:52.11 | johnx | "java maemo chinook" returns lots of other results, but I don't know what you're looking for |
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| 11:58.39 | Spakman | Khertan: update-deskop-database seems to regenerate the cache |
| 11:59.05 | Spakman | Khertan: and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is a list of default applications |
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| 12:09.25 | Spakman | I've associated my application (an RSS reader) correctly so that clicking on an RSS link loads my app, but I can't work out how the URL is passed in. Does anyone know? |
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| 12:19.55 | Khertan | Spakman > do u get the rpc callback from the osso context ? |
| 12:21.08 | Khertan | Spakman > here how i do it in python : http://pastebin.com/m3afa097a |
| 12:21.22 | chille | someone know how to get GTK-- working? |
| 12:21.33 | chille | (I'm a developer) |
| 12:21.37 | Khertan | gtk-- ? |
| 12:21.41 | Khertan | what is it ? |
| 12:21.48 | chille | yeah, the C++ wrapper for GTK+ |
| 12:21.52 | chille | libgtkmm |
| 12:22.24 | Khertan | sorry can't help u |
| 12:22.27 | chille | :/ |
| 12:22.46 | chille | well, maybe you know how to use e callback function inside a class then? :-) |
| 12:22.48 | chille | in C++ |
| 12:23.46 | Khertan | libgtkmm is in the repository : http://repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 12:24.19 | chille | yeah i know, i have the libraries installed on my device, but i need the *.h-files etc to compile my application |
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| 12:24.39 | murrayc_ | chille: So you will need the *-dev packatges too. See the maemomm documentation. |
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| 12:25.24 | chille | murrayc_: yeh but the problem is that my scratchbox isn't working so i can't use dpkg or apt-get :o |
| 12:25.36 | murrayc_ | chille: You'll have to fix that then. |
| 12:25.45 | chille | well, i don't know how to fix the problem |
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| 12:26.37 | chille | i tries to unpack the *-dev.deb file on another box and just copying the needed headerfiles, but it didn't work ;o |
| 12:26.58 | Keyguard | Hi all! Anybody knows the way to disable power-saving mode in N800? (OS2007) |
| 12:27.08 | Khertan | someone that understand well c can explain me how this applet make the transparency in gtk ? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-home-webshortcut/plugin/hildon-home-webshortcut.c |
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| 12:32.15 | Lahiru | Hi... I need to get an clear idea... if I write a simple C++ prog with cout<<"test"; how can I compile this for maemo in order to execute in the console and get the output..? please help :) |
| 12:32.36 | Lahiru | I have scratchbox installed |
| 12:33.32 | Lahiru | and I tried g++ test.cpp and copied the executable file to my N800.. but I couldn't run it.. :S |
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| 12:33.48 | onion | Khertan: probably the XRenderComposite call that does it |
| 12:34.19 | Spakman | Khertan: ah, thanks! Progress on the mime front :) |
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| 12:53.16 | Khertan | thx onion ... |
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| 12:53.56 | Khertan | onion > but where is this method ? |
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| 12:59.52 | onion | Khertan: part of the X composite extension |
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| 13:26.22 | Spakman | I'm having trouble getting python2.5-runtime installed. After using the .install file I'm told that the application package cannot be found. Any ideas? |
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| 13:27.55 | rocco | hey peeps |
| 13:28.02 | rocco | is wordpy for the n810 broken? |
| 13:28.08 | rocco | why i run it nothing happens |
| 13:28.16 | rocco | what's the binay called? |
| 13:28.18 | rocco | binary |
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| 13:39.26 | Cptnodegard | smart people with electric knowledge wanted: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15232 |
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| 13:42.14 | ph|ber | y0 |
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| 13:45.56 | VRe | Cptnodegard: Electricity is blue and lives inside the machines. Sometimes it comes out as smoke and then it is hard to put back in. Am I hired? |
| 13:46.33 | ph|ber | anyone have gnapplet for s60 3rd edition |
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| 13:47.57 | Meandr | Anybody have successful run of Kismet on OS 2007(N800)? |
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| 13:49.15 | Meandr | For me, it stops capture after 5-10 seconds after start. Aircrack-ng works good. Goggled for this problem, but haven't found any solution. |
| 13:49.22 | chille | is there any way to compile a application outside a scratchbox? |
| 13:50.17 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Nice idea with that pack, though. Can you share some stats? Apart from the issue in the thread? |
| 13:52.44 | Cptnodegard | Blafasel: i use it in conjunction with http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488 - that way it charge both ways. i charge the pack with usb, and charge usb stuff with the pack. put together with a AC USB adapter (also dalextreme) and some shortened USB cables it came out as this for $20 shipped: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/charger.jpg |
| 13:53.08 | Cptnodegard | works great for normal USB |
| 13:53.14 | Cptnodegard | just not the ca100 |
| 13:53.25 | Cptnodegard | because of whatever it is that curcuit inside is doing |
| 13:53.52 | doc|home | is there a version of ekiga available for os2008? |
| 13:55.11 | Blafasel | Interesting. And they seem (?) to ship free of charge worldwide? That would be a nice deal indeed.. |
| 13:55.20 | Blafasel | Especially with the weak dollar.. |
| 13:55.50 | Cptnodegard | yup |
| 13:55.59 | Cptnodegard | i have ordered...god i dont know, 50-100 thigns from there |
| 13:56.10 | Cptnodegard | they ship free, and no scam |
| 13:56.37 | Cptnodegard | they got this in stock the other day: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10734 |
| 13:56.42 | Cptnodegard | dunnno how that works¨ |
| 13:56.50 | Cptnodegard | i mean, if it works xD |
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| 13:58.15 | Cptnodegard | they also got http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10730 ... not sure i believe the capacity |
| 13:59.02 | doc|home | I've had 1250 and higher before |
| 13:59.10 | doc|home | oh, triple a |
| 13:59.12 | doc|home | nm |
| 13:59.14 | Meandr | Reformulating my question: anybody have success in running kismet on OS-2008? :-) |
| 13:59.17 | glass | dealextreme rules |
| 14:02.01 | wnd | Meandr, with n810, yes |
| 14:02.34 | Meandr | wnd, and with n800? |
| 14:02.44 | wnd | Meandr, I don't have one |
| 14:03.47 | Meandr | wnd, on your N810 kismet didn't stop after capturing about 100 packets, or after 5-7 minutes? |
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| 14:05.33 | wnd | it did. try setting network search interval to zero (control panel -> connectivity -> search interval). |
| 14:07.08 | Meandr | wnd, big thanks, now I'll have a try to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 ;-) |
| 14:08.46 | wnd | I don't really know if that helps but I figured that's probably the thing to blame |
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| 14:09.43 | wnd | I haven't been playing around with kismet too much. so far I haven't had interest to run it any longer than that anyway. |
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| 14:10.08 | Meandr | ok |
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| 14:10.39 | Meandr | anyway, didn't find any solution to make it work under OS 2007 |
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| 14:31.20 | |tbb| | how can i get the type of a value from gconftool-2 |
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| 14:37.40 | cizarro | damn. someone found a bug in the training material! |
| 14:38.19 | michele_ | |tbb|: --get-type (--help helps too ;) |
| 14:40.01 | cizarro | michele_, thanks |
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| 14:41.03 | pupnik | i'm almost too scared to take my N810 with me |
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| 14:41.33 | pupnik | the 770 on the other hand, is a tank |
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| 14:41.55 | j0tt | pupnik: stay at home then ;) |
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| 14:44.30 | |tbb| | thx michele_ havent found that before on man gconftool-2 |
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| 14:45.29 | |tbb| | could anyone look what type /apps/modest/auto_update has in orginal? i ve set the key with boolean dunno if its right by default |
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| 14:46.04 | |tbb| | gconftool-2 --get-type /apps/modest/auto_update |
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| 14:58.21 | michele_ | |tbb|: --unset the key to its original value |
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| 15:28.11 | |tbb| | michele_, ive changed it various time, where do he know what was it orginal? |
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| 15:47.23 | Khertan | lmoura> does the gdk.gtk.Screen().get_argb_colormap() bg |
| 15:47.32 | Khertan | is corrected on the new python release ? |
| 15:48.39 | Khertan | lmoura> as #1862 > it should be corrected in the last release ... but not the case on my n800. |
| 15:48.47 | Khertan | i ve touched the file |
| 15:49.12 | Khertan | lmoura> and what about official hildondesktop ? |
| 15:49.13 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:49.34 | lmoura | Khertan, are you importing pygtk? |
| 15:49.49 | lmoura | not gtk, but import pygtk |
| 15:50.09 | lmoura | it initializes a few extra functions |
| 15:50.27 | Khertan | hum ... only gtk |
| 15:50.39 | doc|home | ekiga uses diamondcard.us to make 'ekiga-out' type calls. Anyone know how you can do that using an ekiga account with rtcomm? |
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| 15:50.45 | Khertan | i thought that importing gtk or pygtk was the same thing |
| 15:51.05 | lmoura | me too |
| 15:51.49 | Juhaz | it's not |
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| 15:52.35 | Khertan | Juhaz > could u explain the main differences ? |
| 15:52.45 | Khertan | or give me a link ? |
| 15:53.57 | Juhaz | well, everything, really. the pygtk module doesn't do much anything, it is just a way to select between gtk1 and gtk2 if both versions are installed at the same time |
| 15:54.51 | Khertan | lmoura> segfault with import pygtk too :) |
| 15:55.13 | Khertan | lmoura > or maybe it was for gnome binding ? :) |
| 15:55.30 | Juhaz | eg. import pygtk; pygtk.require('2.0') changes what you get when you do "import gtk" later |
| 15:55.43 | Juhaz | but that's all it does |
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| 15:57.24 | Khertan | Juhaz > maybe you could me ... i m still trying to make tranparent home desktop applet in python |
| 15:57.45 | Khertan | Juhaz > my applet work ... but i still doesn't found how to make background transparent. |
| 15:58.30 | Juhaz | sorry, now idea about that newfangled stuff, I'm still stuck in OS 2006 era. |
| 15:58.32 | Juhaz | do other applets do it, that is, you know that it's even possible? |
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| 16:01.07 | Spakman | Juhaz: yeah, the supplied applets are all transparent in 2008 |
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| 16:04.21 | skyhawk_ | anyone know the default password for 'user'? (Trying to ssh in via usb. OS2008) |
| 16:04.41 | penguinbait | my n810 keyboard has some funny symbols on it, are all qwerty the same keyboards, or do I have a non US version? |
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| 16:04.52 | penguinbait | user has no password by default |
| 16:05.13 | Khertan | Juhaz > other can do it :) |
| 16:05.50 | Juhaz | ok |
| 16:05.51 | skyhawk_ | ssh user@<IP.ADDR> requests password, blank doesn't' work :( |
| 16:05.56 | lophyte | hey all |
| 16:05.57 | lmoura | Khertan, I'm going out now, could file a bug report at pymaemo? Tomorrow morning I'll do more tests |
| 16:06.03 | penguinbait | skyhawk |
| 16:06.07 | penguinbait | set a user passwrd |
| 16:06.14 | penguinbait | open xterm |
| 16:06.19 | penguinbait | passwd |
| 16:06.26 | skyhawk_ | tried, I get "The passwor for user cannot be changed" |
| 16:06.28 | lophyte | hey penguinbait :) |
| 16:06.32 | Khertan | penguinbait> this key ? http://www.helldesk.dk/keyboard-ctrl-alt-del.jpg |
| 16:06.45 | skyhawk_ | i'll try as root |
| 16:06.53 | penguinbait | passwd user |
| 16:07.03 | penguinbait | passwd alone will change root password |
| 16:07.14 | penguinbait | hey lophyte |
| 16:07.27 | penguinbait | I am installing KDE right now :) |
| 16:07.39 | penguinbait | on my new 810 :) |
| 16:07.45 | penguinbait | I am giddy |
| 16:08.13 | skyhawk_ | yeah! that worked: sudo gainroot, then passwd user. Thanks |
| 16:08.23 | lophyte | hahah, niice |
| 16:08.30 | lophyte | I'd like to try kde on my n800 |
| 16:09.06 | doc|home | anyone know if there is anyone working on the ekiga port for maemo/os2008? |
| 16:09.21 | skyhawk_ | hmm, i thought passwd alone would by default change the current user's password |
| 16:09.27 | lophyte | doc|home, that would be nice... |
| 16:09.29 | penguinbait | ekiga, what is that? |
| 16:09.33 | lophyte | a sip phone |
| 16:09.37 | penguinbait | ah |
| 16:09.50 | doc|home | lophyte: indeed, there's a port of sorts but it hasn't been in a while |
| 16:10.08 | doc|home | lophyte: if it's just sip you want, rtcomm will work for you I think, I want SIP and ekiga's pc to phone option :/ |
| 16:10.10 | penguinbait | I thought someone was mispelling Amiga |
| 16:10.10 | Juhaz | Khertan, don't see anything in the libhildondesktop api, at least... maybe they "fake" it (check what the background is, and draw the part they're over themselves) |
| 16:10.11 | penguinbait | heh |
| 16:10.34 | lophyte | I have my own asterisk server that connects to my voip provider, so if I had just a sip phone, I'd have pc to phone... |
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| 16:10.56 | K-Fox | hi |
| 16:11.08 | doc|home | lophyte: rtcomm will work for you then |
| 16:11.10 | lophyte | nice |
| 16:11.13 | lophyte | I'll have to try it out :) |
| 16:11.20 | doc|home | lophyte: how does asterisk connect to a normal phone? |
| 16:11.28 | lophyte | through my voip service provider |
| 16:11.41 | doc|home | ah, ok, yeah, that's what ekiga does too in a way |
| 16:11.54 | K-Fox | is it difficult to port a appl of x86? |
| 16:11.56 | doc|home | the client hands it off to diamondcard.us, which is pretty cheap |
| 16:12.04 | lophyte | I pay my service provider a nominal fee for usage... |
| 16:12.12 | doc|home | unfortunately there's no client for maemo :/ |
| 16:12.21 | lophyte | $0.01/min to anywhere in US and Canada outgoing... and unlimited incoming calls for $1/month |
| 16:12.24 | michele_ | uhm |
| 16:12.36 | michele_ | how do I know the IP address of the thing? |
| 16:12.41 | Khertan | juhaz> if you superpose many applet you ll see all ... it s a real alpha ... |
| 16:12.49 | doc|home | lophyte: nice |
| 16:13.04 | penguinbait | 1 deb down 2 more to go |
| 16:13.10 | michele_ | ok, /sbin/ifconfig :) |
| 16:13.12 | Khertan | Juhaz> the main problem is how do i make a transparent label in a transparent frame :) |
| 16:13.18 | penguinbait | lophyte, did you get a bigger card? |
| 16:13.29 | Khertan | where transparency is the problem :) |
| 16:13.34 | lophyte | I have two 1GB cards |
| 16:13.51 | K-Fox | do it exist sniffing appl on n810? |
| 16:14.45 | Khertan | K-Fox> tcpdump :) |
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| 16:15.10 | K-Fox | :) |
| 16:16.07 | Khertan | it s seems also that there is a dsniff working version for os2008 |
| 16:16.19 | lophyte | oi, can't remember how to do usbnet.. *goes searching* |
| 16:16.32 | Khertan | but i ve never been able to snif anything with ... including my own traffic |
| 16:16.36 | K-Fox | wow |
| 16:16.49 | K-Fox | maemo is super tool |
| 16:16.51 | lophyte | ugh maemo.org is down |
| 16:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | Works here. |
| 16:17.07 | penguinbait | I ported compiled wireshark a long time ago, not sure if it works on 2008os |
| 16:17.20 | lophyte | oh there it goes |
| 16:17.24 | penguinbait | just a tarball though |
| 16:18.07 | K-Fox | penguinbail : porting is easy? |
| 16:20.21 | penguinbait | compiling is easy |
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| 16:21.00 | penguinbait | I meant to say compiled not ported, forgot to erase the ported |
| 16:21.03 | pupnik | is there a radio-playing app that lets me hit 'record' and capture the last few seconds or minutes of the buffer, while recording the ongoing stream? |
| 16:21.13 | penguinbait | I compile things, I am not a developer :) |
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| 16:21.44 | giskard | hey guys |
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| 16:22.08 | giskard | how i can recover the password i typed when i installed openssh |
| 16:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Not that I've noticed, pupnik. |
| 16:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a golden opportunity. :P |
| 16:22.19 | ph|ber | anyone got the fexplorer for s60 3rd? |
| 16:22.25 | doc|home | giskard: you can't |
| 16:22.31 | penguinbait | install besomeroot |
| 16:22.34 | penguinbait | sudo gainroot |
| 16:22.36 | giskard | i did |
| 16:22.38 | giskard | ok |
| 16:22.39 | penguinbait | passwd |
| 16:22.42 | giskard | ok |
| 16:22.47 | penguinbait | change root passwd |
| 16:23.19 | giskard | easy. thank you |
| 16:23.35 | penguinbait | no prob, not recover, its an overwrite :) |
| 16:23.52 | giskard | i know |
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| 16:24.14 | Meandr | heh, just found funny bug(?) on OS2008. .install files like this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/aircrackng/?get_installfile didn't work -- it says "incompatible version", but if i add repository by myself all works well. |
| 16:24.15 | giskard | i thought i had to do something else, i hoped in something like dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:24.23 | penguinbait | it that "me and r" |
| 16:24.29 | penguinbait | or Mean Dr. |
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| 16:25.19 | K-Fox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.33 | giskard | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.5.0-1osso7_armel.deb 401 Unauthorized [IP: 213.156.44.155 80] |
| 16:25.40 | K-Fox | c/c |
| 16:25.43 | giskard | this is really an annoying bug |
| 16:26.02 | GeneralAntilles | giskard, going through a proxy? |
| 16:26.08 | penguinbait | I am not a developer K-fox, so I dont alter any code when I compile apps |
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| 16:26.31 | giskard | GeneralAntilles, this is not a solution |
| 16:26.32 | penguinbait | to me porting is altering the source code to work better on the platform |
| 16:26.46 | K-Fox | ok |
| 16:26.47 | giskard | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 |
| 16:26.57 | penguinbait | perhaps I am using my terminology wrong? |
| 16:27.12 | fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15210 <- this is an excellent idea. |
| 16:28.00 | fysa | and a bookmarklet could be made to replace the current URL with the GWT version of it, giving you a bookmark that basically says 'View Handheld-Friendly Version' |
| 16:28.38 | michele_ | unfortunately, it seems bookmarklets don't work on microb |
| 16:28.52 | michele_ | at least, the one I tried, didn't |
| 16:28.57 | fysa | really? I thought I had the Google Reader bookmarklet for 'Next' working |
| 16:29.07 | fysa | this was OS2007 though. |
| 16:29.17 | fysa | with either microb or minimo.. |
| 16:29.58 | fysa | I would like to hack up the RSS reader to use GWT links. :) |
| 16:30.13 | hugolp | anybody using egroupware here? |
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| 16:30.27 | hugolp | the mail doesnt work with the OS2008 browser |
| 16:30.53 | Khertan | so ... i 'm going to get my n810 ... :) |
| 16:30.59 | Khertan | see u later ... |
| 16:31.01 | Khertan | bye |
| 16:32.06 | K-Fox | where? |
| 16:32.18 | fysa | I guess all we'd really need is a GWT transcoder for RSS feeds. i.e., http://blah/gwtrss.php?feed=http://www.gizmodo.com/feed |
| 16:32.22 | michele_ | ugh.. no wget... |
| 16:32.29 | K-Fox | kk |
| 16:33.12 | K-Fox | i wanna get n810 to wget's tool |
| 16:33.34 | fysa | someone just needs to rebuild busybox.. |
| 16:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install wget |
| 16:33.42 | michele_ | nope |
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| 16:33.55 | fysa | there are a ton of tools that Maemo left out of their busybox that would be extremely useful. |
| 16:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | According to gronmayer, wget is in maemo chinook |
| 16:35.08 | pupnik | the wget package is rather large, but it works |
| 16:35.10 | penguinbait | I just did apt-get install wget |
| 16:35.16 | penguinbait | not sure whre it came from |
| 16:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | maemo chinook |
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| 16:43.37 | michele_ | I just need to download a file, I'll use python :) |
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| 16:46.15 | czr | urllib ftw. |
| 16:47.57 | K-Fox | in unbox N810 , a battery is two? |
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| 16:51.44 | Meandr | Just tested Kismet on N800/OS2008 -- the same issue, with stopping packet capturing after 5-6 minutes exists. :-( |
| 16:53.33 | hullfandan | can anyone recommend a good webpage to read up on libs,include and makefiles on the maemo(bora), I am curently getting and error just trying to include <glib.h> :-( |
| 16:54.10 | lophyte | i wonder if there's any plans for iax support in rtcomm... |
| 16:54.24 | inz | hullfandan, are you using autotools? |
| 16:54.52 | inz | hullfandan, if not, add `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` to your compiler (and --libs to linker) |
| 16:55.18 | hullfandan | inz: no, I'm just using ESBOX as configured in a wmware image as ~i hadanightmare setting up scratchbox on my unbuntu box :/ |
| 16:55.33 | Mikho | has anyone tried installing java ee on ubuntu? When I run the installer .bin, it just gives an empty window and freezes |
| 16:56.21 | inz | hullfandan, well, if you just want to compile manually with gcc, use: gcc `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags --libs` -o my_prog your_source.c |
| 16:56.33 | hullfandan | inz.thanks but there in lies the problem,. I am using sdl-config not pkg-config |
| 16:56.44 | inz | hullfandan, you can use both |
| 16:57.01 | hullfandan | inz, thanks |
| 16:57.31 | hullfandan | inz, where can i read more about these -configs? I couldn't find anywhere on the meamo site |
| 16:57.58 | inz | hullfandan, the "official" way is to use autotools and PKG_CHECK_MODULES -macro in configure.ac |
| 16:58.44 | inz | hullfandan, but ls /usr/lib/pkgconfig should give you a list of available modules in pkg-config |
| 16:59.01 | michele_ | hullfandan: they are not maemo specific |
| 16:59.02 | hullfandan | inz thanks, I was starting to pull my hair out (not for the first time). I'll check out autotools now. |
| 16:59.16 | michele_ | hullfandan: you can find info on linux programming guides too |
| 16:59.17 | inz | hullfandan, autotools will make you bold |
| 16:59.22 | hullfandan | michele, ok thanks. I wondered that |
| 16:59.34 | hullfandan | inz, lol |
| 17:00.22 | hullfandan | inz, ok maybe I'll stick to doing it by hand in the makefile. thanks for you help. |
| 17:00.50 | inz | hullfandan, you might want to check autotools later on, but I wouldn't use them when learning things |
| 17:01.04 | hullfandan | inz: ok, thanks agian |
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| 17:01.53 | michele_ | autotools will make you bald |
| 17:02.17 | Mikho | is there anyone who has succeeded installing java ee on ubuntu? |
| 17:02.26 | inz | michele, that was what I tried to say, I always get it wrong |
| 17:03.04 | michele_ | so |
| 17:03.12 | michele_ | i ssh'd into the device |
| 17:03.24 | michele_ | the (crappy) wifi connection dropped (again) |
| 17:03.31 | michele_ | and now I can't ssh on it anymore |
| 17:03.42 | doc|home | yey! I just got calling out voip -> phone working on my n800 without skype :) |
| 17:03.44 | michele_ | it asks the password and then stays stuck there |
| 17:03.51 | lophyte | doc|home, how? |
| 17:04.07 | michele_ | how do I start/stop the sshd daemon? |
| 17:04.15 | lophyte | with rtcomm or...? |
| 17:04.39 | doc|home | lophyte: with ekiga I'd signed up for their pc-to-phone set up but registering against that in rtcomm wasn't enough. You need to add another account for diamondcard (ekiga's provider) with the details that diamondcard give you when you sign up. |
| 17:04.51 | lophyte | AH, NICE |
| 17:04.54 | doc|home | yes :) |
| 17:04.54 | lophyte | er |
| 17:04.56 | lophyte | oops, sorry |
| 17:04.56 | lophyte | lol |
| 17:05.00 | doc|home | :) |
| 17:05.05 | czr | hullfandan, there's intro level stuff of using autotools with maemo in the training material |
| 17:05.10 | lophyte | I'm wondering if rtcomm has any plans for IAX support... |
| 17:05.26 | Meandr | michele_, /etc/init.d/ssh start/stop |
| 17:05.28 | czr | which would be pretty funky |
| 17:05.32 | lophyte | haha, no, not AIX |
| 17:05.43 | K-Fox | Meandr : what is IAX? |
| 17:05.59 | michele_ | hey, AIX on ARM would be nice |
| 17:07.45 | Meandr | Hmm, funny, after going into "Fly" mode, kismet works fine fpr about 10 mins |
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| 17:13.35 | giskard | guys, i'm root but i get this when i try to launch the app |
| 17:13.38 | giskard | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop |
| 17:13.38 | giskard | -sh: ./powertop: Permission denied |
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| 17:13.59 | cyndis_ | mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 |
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| 17:14.59 | cyndis_ | well, dunno if it works for executables because of the fat filesystem, but for libraries it does |
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| 17:16.15 | ph|ber | giskard: thats bc your card is formated with a windows partition |
| 17:17.02 | giskard | ph|ber, if i mv the elf into /usr/bin i get the same error |
| 17:17.22 | giskard | let me look if the partition is mounted with noexec option |
| 17:17.43 | giskard | right. it has the noexec option enabled |
| 17:18.07 | giskard | but i should avoid this problem simply cp'ing powertop to another location (outside the mmc) |
| 17:18.22 | Meandr | btw, what fs'es enabled by default in OS 2008 kernel? |
| 17:19.54 | giskard | jffs for sure |
| 17:21.10 | Tak | and vfat |
| 17:22.50 | czr | ramfs |
| 17:23.01 | czr | or hmm. maybe not. let's see |
| 17:23.01 | giskard | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) |
| 17:23.02 | giskard | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop |
| 17:23.02 | giskard | -sh: ./powertop: Permission denied |
| 17:23.02 | giskard | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# |
| 17:23.14 | giskard | nah, i remounted it without the noexec option and it doesn't work |
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| 17:23.30 | hullfandan | inz: sorry to bother you again but you mentioned that I could use multiple -config. Do you know any decent ggc makefile guides that cover this. I want to addd sdl-config and pkg-config to my cflags/libs |
| 17:23.44 | czr | Meandr, msdos (old fat), vfat and jffs2 |
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| 17:24.15 | inz | hullfandan, CFLAGS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` `sdl-config --cflags` |
| 17:25.03 | Tak | does anyone know if there's a gobject way to 'sink' a reference other than g_object_ref_sink? |
| 17:25.14 | hullfandan | inz thanks, and similar for libs I guess. cheers |
| 17:25.28 | inz | hullfandan, yeah |
| 17:25.39 | Meandr | is there any patches for enabling ext2 on OS2008? |
| 17:25.50 | inz | hullfandan, if you need multiple pkg-config modules, you can just list them in one pkg-config call |
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| 17:26.09 | inz | hullfandan, i.e. `pkg-config libosso glib-2.0 --cflags` |
| 17:26.13 | Mousey | can i get my n810 to mount a flash usb stick? |
| 17:26.21 | Mousey | is there a url? |
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| 17:26.32 | Mousey | and where the HECK is syslog?? |
| 17:26.49 | inz | Mousey, there have been some reports that once you get the usb host mode working, usb-storade devices would be automounted |
| 17:26.59 | Webspot | What's the best way to troubleshoot why my n800 won't connect to my GPRS network via bluetooth? |
| 17:27.07 | Mousey | ah, so it's about getting host mode working |
| 17:27.08 | Mousey | ok |
| 17:29.28 | inz | Mousey, it shouldn't be that hard |
| 17:29.45 | hullfandan | inz but pkg-config doesn't have the SDL libs I need I don't think |
| 17:29.45 | inz | Mousey, but I've never done it, so can't really say for sure |
| 17:30.05 | inz | hullfandan, true, sdl only has sdl-config, that was just an additional note |
| 17:30.24 | inz | hullfandan, if you happen to need some other pkg-config handled libraries |
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| 17:31.10 | hullfandan | inz: but thanks anyway. I still don't really understand what Iam doing though which I don't like. Now there is an error with the libs so it's not compiling. I gues i need to find a good gcc/makefile guide and read it. |
| 17:32.36 | Mousey | inz: well it automounts the removable flash cards as i'd expect it to, and i do see hal and dbus and udev. so the recipe for auto mount is there |
| 17:32.48 | Mousey | i can't figure out where kernel modules are stored tho. there doesn't seem to be a lib/modules |
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| 17:33.23 | inz | Mousey, I asked someone who succeeded with usb host if there was a way to umount from the UI, but he was unable to answer |
| 17:33.53 | Mousey | probably from the filemangler, if not just umount (or pumount) |
| 17:34.10 | Mousey | one day i'll figure out this twisted mutant distro |
| 17:34.20 | inz | hullfandan, pkg-config ... --cflags gives some compiler flags needed to compile sources using module x, usually containing mostly include search paths |
| 17:35.07 | inz | hullfandan, for example glib-2.0 gives -I/usr/include/glib-2.0, so when you do #include <glib.h>, the preprocessor finds glib.h from the path |
| 17:36.10 | inz | hullfandan, the --libs gives the library where the implementations are, and possibly a library path where to find it |
| 17:37.10 | hullfandan | inz: thanks, I looked in usr/lib/pkgconfiglike you said and that makes sense. CFLAGS looks fine in my make file not but it's not working probably because of LIBS now :/ |
| 17:38.12 | hullfandan | inz: oh ok. so the .h files canbe in a different place to the library files? |
| 17:39.11 | korpios | I'm trying to punch in my developer discount code and it says it's not valid; I called Nokia's store number and they don't see the code in their system, and maemo.org has no contact info that I can see ... does anyone have any suggestions as to who to talk to? |
| 17:39.42 | inz | hullfandan, your makefile could look something like this: |
| 17:39.52 | inz | http://pastebin.com/m4550dfd0 |
| 17:40.12 | |R | ... caling nokia canada about the discount code : "you have to write to the store email" ... how userful is that! |
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| 17:40.56 | inz | hullfandan, there are ways to have a common rule for all .c -> .o compilations (so you don't need explicit rule for each), but for simplicity I didn't use any |
| 17:42.13 | korpios | |R: hmm, I was told to get in touch with whoever sent the code (maemo?) |
| 17:43.54 | |R | korpios : well, nobody is responsible for anything it seems as quim wrote me and told me to call the stores hehe |
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| 17:44.01 | korpios | heh |
| 17:44.03 | |R | korpios : did you order in canada? how much did it cost? |
| 17:44.14 | korpios | |R: I'm trying to order in the US, tells me invalid code, yay |
| 17:44.18 | |R | I'm pretty sure people are going to be clueless so i'd like to quote them what i'm supposed to pay |
| 17:44.27 | hullfandan | inz: thanks and what a cool tool. It looks like this now (based on the hello world example :) ) http://pastebin.com/d505b0ffd |
| 17:44.41 | |R | zerojay : how much did you pay? ;) |
| 17:44.48 | korpios | they asked me how much the code was for, I said 99 EUR, and they said they could give me $75 USD *off* the total order ... err, no thanks :-) |
| 17:45.08 | |R | haha yes indeed... |
| 17:45.10 | hullfandan | inz: I had a couple of things slightly wrong :/ thanks for you help. It seems to be compiling again now. |
| 17:45.18 | |R | it's going to be around 145 $ CAD/USD |
| 17:45.32 | hullfandan | inz: now to add loads more libraries. wish me luck :) |
| 17:45.41 | |R | korpios : the old and new code don't work? |
| 17:46.07 | |R | they're 9 digits long here... i originally chose france as canada was not an option :/ |
| 17:47.05 | korpios | |R: I think I *only* got a "new" code; lemme double check |
| 17:47.27 | sparrw | what is the 770 lcd? manufacturer, part #, specs, etc? |
| 17:48.38 | korpios | |R: yeah, I either deleted the original mail or never got it; the only code I have is the one with all the country store links (minus the US link which I received later) |
| 17:49.59 | inz | hullfandan, sdl-config should include -lSDL so you shouldn't need to add it |
| 17:50.10 | inz | hullfandan, but otherwise it looks correct |
| 17:53.50 | |R | ok, i just wrote them, they better answer this time... or i'll start harassing that 1-800 number |
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| 17:59.06 | Tak | I suspect harassment will get you nowhere |
| 17:59.35 | |R | hehe ;) |
| 17:59.48 | |R | then i'll provoke them in duel! old fashion style! ;P |
| 18:00.13 | |R | (sorry, i just hate support frontlines where everyone is clueless about everything...) |
| 18:01.09 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.09 | pupnik | /usr/bin/p7zip: maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.001: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 18:01.11 | jbowes | the canadian store support people are subpar at best |
| 18:01.15 | pupnik | boo |
| 18:01.49 | |R | jbowes : and i went for french as i'm in quebec, so i'm pretty sure that they have a harder time finding french speakers... |
| 18:01.58 | |R | next time i'll try english :) |
| 18:02.33 | |R | i like how they ask for you cell phone number... what? :P |
| 18:02.41 | jbowes | |R: yeah it sounds like the call center is in the southern usa |
| 18:03.01 | |R | haha ok :) |
| 18:03.25 | jbowes | and granted, we did deport a large number of french speakers there from the east coast of canada, but that was a long time ago. |
| 18:04.06 | pupnik | ahh ignore me, p7zip-full can do it |
| 18:04.07 | |R | that'd be in louisiane? :) |
| 18:04.11 | |R | acadians ...? |
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| 18:04.15 | jbowes | yeah |
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| 18:04.26 | jbowes | that joke may have been in bad taste :) |
| 18:04.39 | |R | hehe ;) |
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| 18:16.56 | GEORGE_BG | Hello |
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| 18:19.23 | GEORGE_BG | I whant to ask is it posible to boot directly from MMC KDE bypass hildon desktop |
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| 18:23.30 | Tak | wow, finally got valaized xmaeme to build under bora |
| 18:24.26 | pupnik | valgrind? |
| 18:24.37 | Tak | no, vala |
| 18:24.53 | pupnik | what's vala? |
| 18:24.54 | Tak | http://live.gnome.org/Vala |
| 18:24.59 | pupnik | ty |
| 18:26.33 | pupnik | neat! |
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| 18:28.14 | pupnik | Extracting maemo-sdk.vmdk |
| 18:28.16 | pupnik | ERROR: E_FAIL |
| 18:28.43 | Tak | I'm slightly concerned that it will bomb at runtime because I had to twiddle the vala source to deal with glib 2.8 |
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| 18:30.13 | pupnik | so did you rewrite xmaeme in vala, or was there an existing version that you're tweaking? |
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| 18:36.35 | Tak | I did a quick port |
| 18:36.44 | Tak | it was very easy |
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| 18:47.49 | juergbi | Tak: valac requires glib >= 2.12 but your own vala application shouldn't need that new glib versions (except if you're using new glib api, of course) |
| 18:50.05 | Tak | juergbi: it emits code with stuff like g_object_ref_sink and g_param_spec_gtype |
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| 18:52.07 | juergbi | Tak: oh, right. can you please file a bug with a test case? |
| 18:52.22 | juergbi | gtg now, laters |
| 18:52.39 | Tak | will do |
| 18:53.20 | GEORGE_BG | HI is it posible to boot directly KDE from mmc bypass hildon desktop |
| 18:55.09 | Mousey | GEORGE_BG: you mean like this? |
| 18:55.11 | Mousey | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/n810_with_a_full_desktop_lovely.html |
| 18:55.38 | GEORGE_BG | sec to see |
| 18:57.11 | GEORGE_BG | Mousey my idea is when i select to boot from mmc |
| 18:57.57 | GEORGE_BG | to boot directly in KDE becauce i think hildon desktop is in backgrond and eat a little bit ram |
| 18:58.02 | Mousey | oh, well the reason i paste that article is, according to the author [and the site he links to] you can't run KDE on the N8x0 without booting from the SD card.. which they also detail how to do |
| 19:00.06 | GEORGE_BG | no, i whant to run KDE from SD card but with out loading maemo desktop |
| 19:00.13 | Mousey | ... |
| 19:00.24 | Mousey | yea, that's what they're doing, isn't it? |
| 19:00.56 | Mousey | http://tablethacker.com/kde.html |
| 19:01.04 | GEORGE_BG | may be no |
| 19:01.21 | GEORGE_BG | you clone OS 2008 to SD and install KDE |
| 19:01.22 | Mousey | look at the link i just pasted, read the yellow text |
| 19:01.32 | Mousey | oh |
| 19:01.40 | Mousey | well yea |
| 19:01.46 | Mousey | that makes sense, it needs an OS |
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| 19:02.21 | Mousey | i haven't done it yet, i'm waiting til i get an 8gb card. but once it's done, ps axf and see if any hildon processes are runinng |
| 19:02.57 | Mousey | i'm not sure what drives the GUI.. if it's X11, i can't tell, doesn't seem like.. I can't find an Xorg.conf [heh, i can't find kernel modules either [i ar teh n00b!!]] |
| 19:04.42 | GEORGE_BG | what will do device after kill all hildon processes |
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| 19:06.05 | GEORGE_BG | Do you have problems with usb flash memory |
| 19:06.43 | pupnik | the tablets use X11 |
| 19:06.58 | Meandr | heh, i wonder where is rfcomm in OS 2008 :? |
| 19:09.32 | GEORGE_BG | Do someone have problems with flash memory "unable to connect,no file system available" |
| 19:09.46 | GEORGE_BG | My windows format flash in FAT |
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| 19:11.28 | Tak | valaized xmaeme seems to run flawlessly on bora |
| 19:12.00 | j0tt | yeah ITs run a xorg with "--disable-xorgconfig" and "--disable-muchmorestuff" ;) |
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| 19:12.42 | pupnik | Tak: so vala makes maintenance/changes less time consuming for you? |
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| 19:14.10 | Tak | yes |
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| 19:15.58 | j0tt | pupnik: instead of foo_bar_method( FOO_BAR_PSEUDOCLASS_CAST( moo ), value) you do moo.method(value) ;-) |
| 19:15.59 | Tak | plus then I would easily be able to add, say, a Launcher base class that performs all the boilerplate and only have to implement a function or two to add a new launcher |
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| 19:19.41 | pupnik | wb AD-N770 |
| 19:20.28 | AD-N770 | hi pupnik |
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| 19:47.34 | Tak | do firefox extensions work with microb? |
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| 19:47.53 | jsmith | Tak: No, I don't believe they do |
| 19:48.30 | doc|work | you can get greasemonkey and adblock for microb, adblock seems not to be working for me though |
| 19:49.54 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.56 | |R | oops |
| 19:50.19 | j0tt | adblock works here but is somehow slow (esp. on startup) |
| 19:51.29 | korpios | oooh, greasemonkey and adblock on a mobile browser? I swear, not having equivalents on mobile Safari makes the web ... ugly. |
| 19:52.29 | Tak | yeah, adblock's what I was hoping for |
| 19:52.59 | Tak | although if it's slow, that kind of defeats the purpose |
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| 19:53.36 | |R | only slow to start for me |
| 19:53.50 | doc|work | it's not slow, just seems... ineffective :) besides, if it works then I'd expect it to be quicker for browsing |
| 19:55.38 | Tak | meh, slow to start is just as bad as slow in general |
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| 20:01.59 | eijk | Hi! |
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| 20:02.33 | eijk | Does anyone of you know why modest is continously running? |
| 20:03.02 | eijk | I tried to kill it, but after a few minutes it runs again... |
| 20:03.05 | Sho_ | Good to read that the power on/off enigma is supposedly software-fixable |
| 20:03.27 | eijk | I'd like to know what is spawning it. The parent PID is 1... |
| 20:06.09 | inz | eijk, I would guess the one spawning is alarmd |
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| 20:08.54 | eijk | inz, but why should it restart modest? |
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| 20:18.08 | inz | eijk, because modest has asked it to |
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| 20:18.38 | eijk | inz, ok found it in /var/lib/alarmd/ |
| 20:20.02 | inz | eijk, yeah, you can remove the event by editing the alarm_queue.xml, just remember to restart alarmd after modifying it |
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| 20:26.16 | eijk | inz, yes, just did it. Thanks! |
| 20:27.43 | eijk | inz, first deactivated automatic checking in modest but this didn't remove the alarm... |
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| 20:30.35 | richieeee72 | Hi, anyone here have an N810? I'm curious about a band I can see on the touchscreen |
| 20:30.50 | jsmith | I have an n810 |
| 20:30.55 | inz | eijk, then there is a bug in modest ;) |
| 20:31.50 | pupnik810 | richieeee72 on youtube? |
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| 20:32.27 | richieeee72 | jsmith, please can you do me a favour. With the screen off, can you hold put the screen under lamp, do you see a band (not muscial:)) in the middle, running top to bottom? |
| 20:34.01 | jsmith | richieeee72: I don't see anything like that |
| 20:34.55 | gnuton_A1k | hi |
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| 20:35.57 | gnuton | i ve bought my n 810 yesterday. |
| 20:36.03 | richieeee72 | jsmith, It is quite subtle and only when under a bright light. I was curious what it was. Thanks for looking. |
| 20:36.48 | gnuton | today i ve discovered that sometime the hardware keyboard doesn work. |
| 20:37.12 | gnuton | also the lock switch doesn t work. |
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| 20:40.42 | pupnik810 | ok noscript plugin for n810 |
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| 20:45.20 | lcuk_2 | gnuton, this might be the wrong question, but under what circumstances would you be examining your 810 under a bright light with it turned off? though i did myself try it and cannot replicate your situation i think it might be a shadow coming from the lighting element in the back of the screen which when the light is on would not be visible |
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| 20:48.14 | blahdeblah | Hi. Does anyone know whether i need to be careful in choosing SD card speeds to work with my N800? I'm thinking of getting a couple of standard speed 2 GB SD cards for use in my two slots. |
| 20:49.56 | pupnik810 | std works fine |
| 20:50.06 | blahdeblah | What about other speeds? |
| 20:50.23 | richieeee72 | lcuk_2, just by chance. I've got an ultra bright light from Ikea and could see the band. Other lighting is fine. |
| 20:51.02 | richieeee72 | I reckon it's a ribbon cable |
| 20:51.18 | blahdeblah | pupnik810: What about things like SDHC, Ultra SDHC, Class6? I'd never heard of any of them until i started looking for a card recently. |
| 20:51.57 | lcuk_2 | the only thing with the screen i have noticed is that on the right hand side there is a dimmer area and the touch sensitivity is less than the rest of the screen - try using a program with pressure sensitivity to see the effect. |
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| 20:52.10 | gnuton_ | re |
| 20:52.34 | lcuk_2 | its not enough to not register a tap, but its less than the rest of the screen |
| 20:52.51 | pupnik810 | blah check itt forums |
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| 20:53.23 | blahdeblah | itt forums? |
| 20:54.15 | lcuk_2 | InternetTabletTalk |
| 20:54.25 | gnuton_ | hi i ve a problem with my n810. sometimes the hw keyboard doesn t work, and when i try to reboot the device the power on button doesnt work. if i remove the battery it works again. |
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| 20:55.10 | lcuk_2 | gnuton, other people have seen the power on failure (looks like something with the charging software getting knickers in a twist) |
| 20:55.23 | richieeee72 | lcuk2, just tried it, yeah I get a sound 'tap' from the screen but the scroll bar in the browser doesn't always move, more software, than screen that seems on mine. |
| 20:55.29 | lcuk_2 | there are bug reports on maemo and discussions on itt |
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| 20:55.42 | Tak | sweet, the n810 comes with knickers?! |
| 20:55.57 | lcuk_2 | lol |
| 20:56.00 | celesteh | hahahaha |
| 20:56.36 | lcuk_2 | rich, thats most likely the browser just being busy than anything - if there is a click it registered (though whether its stayed registered is another matter) |
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| 20:56.56 | gnuton_ | re |
| 20:57.09 | lcuk_2 | if it wasnt clicking properly you would get a machine gun noise as it clicks multiple times |
| 20:57.40 | lcuk_2 | get a drawing program (the built in nokia one doesnt touch the edges..) like maemopad+ or something |
| 20:57.56 | lcuk_2 | i found out when i was getting my own working |
| 20:58.10 | lcuk_2 | whats best way to upload a picture and show you what i mean? |
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| 20:59.18 | gnuton_ | i hope that it will be fixed.. |
| 21:00.25 | lcuk_2 | its not a software bug - its a limitation in the touch device - wires *have* to go somewhere to connect the screen to the device and they intefere electrically with the touch element (or thats what used to happen with my homemade touchscreen laptop) |
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| 21:01.23 | lcuk_2 | it works well enough to register taps but its not a smooth pressure level |
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| 21:01.56 | Meandr | heh, that really joke from OS2008: kismet works well with wifi, but fully fail to work with gpsd |
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| 21:04.10 | lcuk_2 | which imagehosts do people use here ? |
| 21:05.34 | Tak | flickr? |
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| 21:05.51 | lcuk_2 | need an account dont i |
| 21:05.57 | richieeee72 | lcuk2, ok, thanks. I'll give maemopad+ a go |
| 21:06.01 | lcuk_2 | just a quickupload and share url site |
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| 21:07.51 | richieeee72 | lcuk2, another quick N810 hardware Q |
| 21:08.14 | Tak | bayimg.com? |
| 21:08.45 | richieeee72 | my N810 keyboard lights up when dark, but I have a distinctively brighter 'P' than other keys? Is this the same on yours? |
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| 21:08.49 | cbx33 | hey guys |
| 21:09.01 | cbx33 | does memo-wordpy work for anyone with an n810? |
| 21:09.54 | eijk_ | richie*: Yes, same for me. |
| 21:11.11 | lcuk_2 | rich, yer some keys are brighter than others |
| 21:11.22 | lcuk_2 | P and R are brightest |
| 21:11.26 | cbx33 | wordpy does nothing here |
| 21:11.33 | lcuk_2 | and W |
| 21:11.34 | cbx33 | and from the terminal gives no output what so |
| 21:14.46 | richieeee72 | lcuk2, ok, cool, thanks for your reassurance |
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| 21:20.22 | pupnik810 | kk |
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| 21:26.31 | cbx33 | pupnik, wordpy work for you? |
| 21:27.07 | maddler | lcuk_2: same here... P is brighter... |
| 21:27.21 | maddler | it seems to me that's because the "emitter" is closer to that key... |
| 21:28.05 | lcuk_2 | i wish it would emit for a longer period... |
| 21:28.44 | pupnik810 | what is wordpy |
| 21:29.00 | lcuk_2 | its like when you bake a dictionary |
| 21:29.19 | lcuk_2 | Maemo WordPy is a offline Wordpress client. |
| 21:29.29 | lcuk_2 | With this application you will be able to use your Internet Tablet (Nokia 770 or Nokia N800) for write in your Wordpress blog. |
| 21:30.10 | cbx33 | i thought wordpy was a well know maemo app |
| 21:30.52 | lcuk_2 | i saw it on the isntall list and bypassed it because it mentioned the word blog |
| 21:31.02 | cbx33 | hahah |
| 21:32.36 | lcuk_2 | speaking of app manager - when browsing why does the second description line cut off half way along and not show the whole line of description. it forces a slowdown by having to read the rest with the details button |
| 21:34.14 | |tbb| | is there a documentation about what a conf key stays for |
| 21:35.58 | Tak | they don't want one description to fill the whole screen? |
| 21:37.49 | desrt | so these rumours about canadians successfully ordering a device were just rumours? |
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| 21:42.02 | lcuk_2 | i was browsing around my filesystem last night and found the bluetooth logs, does anyone know where they are (i can't find them now) |
| 21:43.28 | lophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.20 | lcuk_2 | no empty, i was having a good rummage through and found a list of devices i have connected to in the past but its not in /var/log |
| 21:44.48 | lcuk_2 | ahhh var/lib/bluetooth :D |
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| 21:56.05 | lcuk_2 | arghhhhh fbreader is broken - i updated yesterday and now my books are looping between page 2-3 and page 9-10. when i try to move beyond page 10 it rolls back to 9 |
| 21:56.29 | Tama^2 | it's a feature |
| 21:56.32 | Tama^2 | xD |
| 21:56.37 | lcuk_2 | make sure i remember a passage |
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| 21:56.52 | lcuk_2 | rolls back to 3 i meant btw |
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| 21:57.10 | lcuk_2 | its annoying because i dunno how it could possibly happen |
| 21:57.28 | lcuk_2 | i thought it was corrupt so i opened the file (its a text doc) in notes and its ok |
| 21:58.07 | lcuk_2 | its the same for all books |
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| 22:20.29 | hachi | what choices for mail clients do I have on maemo... I see the builtin client, which wastes a ton of cpu on my inbox all the time |
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| 22:21.11 | hachi | I see modest, which is OK, but doesn't let me see more than one account at the same time, and doesn't update my server when I read/delete email |
| 22:21.19 | hachi | and then claws which just doesn't work well |
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| 22:23.12 | cbx33 | pupnik, remember our video encoding |
| 22:23.25 | cbx33 | you got a format that works nice with the built in media player? |
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| 22:29.35 | cbx33 | man oh man |
| 22:29.48 | cbx33 | what happened to mplayer in os208 |
| 22:29.50 | cbx33 | what happened to mplayer in os2008 |
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| 22:36.46 | doc|work | cbx33: mplayer was never part of the distribution. You can get it from garage.maemo.org though |
| 22:36.53 | cbx33 | i know |
| 22:36.56 | cbx33 | but it sux |
| 22:37.25 | cbx33 | video playback is poor compared to os2007 |
| 22:37.30 | doc|work | that the situation is exactly the same as it has always been? :) |
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| 22:37.48 | cbx33 | no no, it used to be awesome on the n800 in os2007 |
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| 22:40.05 | hachi | does anyone have any luck with email on OS2008? |
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| 22:40.30 | hachi | I bought the n810 thinking it would have a decent email client, but I'm just having no decent luck |
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| 22:42.16 | mazzen | hachi: for me *this* is the first mail client i can really use on the n-series |
| 22:42.52 | hachi | the builtin client spins the cpu for line 30 minutes anytime it tries to sync the inbox |
| 22:43.59 | mazzen | cant't confirm that. the only bad thing is: i don't see any folders of my imap account. but the performance is really good |
| 22:44.17 | hachi | I can't get modest to actually do the operations on the imap |
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| 22:44.23 | hachi | I can delete messages on my n810 |
| 22:44.35 | hachi | and they're still there on the imap server |
| 22:45.22 | EruditeHermit | hi, is there a word processor like abiword for maemo 4? |
| 22:47.05 | pupnik | abiword is coming |
| 22:47.36 | hachi | the notes app is actually close enough to a WP for me to use |
| 22:47.47 | hachi | any 'fancy' stuff I do will need a machine that can print anyways |
| 22:49.12 | EruditeHermit | pupnik: any ideas when? |
| 22:50.39 | pupnik | http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/#abiword |
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| 22:51.06 | |tbb| | anyone got a clue where the background wallpaper is stored (in registry) |
| 22:51.56 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ |
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| 22:55.04 | rghosh | tbb: i think it's in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/home-background.conf |
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| 23:05.08 | rghosh | sorry, that's /usr/share/backgrounds/default.desktop |
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| 23:17.47 | |tbb| | rgosh, first place was correct |
| 23:21.00 | |tbb| | i wonder if its possible to change the background by gconf changing or any other automatic |
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| 23:23.10 | Mousey | ooo, rotating backgrounds. one of my damper dreams |
| 23:24.30 | Mousey | speaking of |
| 23:24.34 | Mousey | why is there no cron daemon? |
| 23:25.53 | |tbb| | how to change it anyway just changing the conf doesnt take effect without reload |
| 23:26.06 | |tbb| | s/reload/reboot/ |
| 23:27.51 | lcuk_2 | thanks cz :) just what i always wanted :| but you made me smile |
| 23:28.13 | czr | we can't have have you walking around without hair, can we.. |
| 23:28.32 | lcuk_2 | i might have to - this thing is driving me crazy |
| 23:28.40 | czr | what are you borking? |
| 23:28.49 | lcuk_2 | with fbreader not working its pushing me to needing faster text rendering |
| 23:29.05 | czr | hmm. why doesn't it work? |
| 23:29.10 | lcuk_2 | (fbreader wont view my current books beyond page 9 - yesterday it would) |
| 23:29.21 | czr | interesting |
| 23:29.25 | czr | try rebooting? :-) |
| 23:30.01 | lcuk_2 | hmmm its going off as i type |
| 23:30.08 | czr | noooooo... |
| 23:30.13 | czr | or rather, yayyyyyy |
| 23:30.14 | lcuk_2 | yer im on desktop |
| 23:31.58 | lcuk_2 | nope, from page 9 i clicked the position bar to the middle and it jumped to....page 7 (it should be around page 150) |
| 23:32.30 | czr | ah. maybe it has a bug somewhere (like "duh") :-) |
| 23:32.49 | lcuk_2 | theres somethin up with it cos its borked |
| 23:33.10 | lcuk_2 | i cant roll back an install to a specific version without a deb for that version can i |
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| 23:33.50 | lcuk_2 | "uninstalling fbreader" |
| 23:34.00 | LinuxCode | evening guys |
| 23:34.09 | lcuk_2 | hi linux |
| 23:34.18 | LinuxCode | how are you ? |
| 23:34.37 | lcuk_2 | somewhere between great and hell |
| 23:34.40 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, installed gpe and managed to sync with evolution |
| 23:34.49 | LinuxCode | im well pleased now |
| 23:34.58 | LinuxCode | it basically does all I require now |
| 23:35.02 | LinuxCode | anything else is a super-bonus |
| 23:35.02 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 23:35.05 | lcuk_2 | nice |
| 23:35.10 | LinuxCode | + fedora is running an arm project |
| 23:35.16 | LinuxCode | as I found out yesterday |
| 23:35.24 | czr | LinuxCode, which arm? left or right? |
| 23:35.31 | czr | cause it makes a world of difference! |
| 23:35.35 | LinuxCode | czr, between ya legs..and its huge |
| 23:35.42 | czr | oh my. |
| 23:35.42 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 23:36.20 | LinuxCode | it will only help Nxxx |
| 23:36.50 | czr | hmm. what's PST short for? pacific central? |
| 23:36.57 | LinuxCode | if momentum grows and drags developers into hildon etc.. |
| 23:37.16 | LinuxCode | czr, pacific standard time ? |
| 23:37.21 | czr | ah. could be |
| 23:37.22 | LinuxCode | or something like that |
| 23:37.34 | |tbb| | is there some functionality to reload the home screen by command in windows its killall explorer ;) |
| 23:37.46 | lcuk_2 | momentum might drag them in, but some of us get lost when we are in here |
| 23:38.00 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, haha |
| 23:38.09 | LinuxCode | the maze! |
| 23:38.38 | LinuxCode | tbh.... |
| 23:38.49 | LinuxCode | I think without familiar...maemo wouldnt exist |
| 23:38.51 | czr | arranging telephoning times is such a pita.. |
| 23:39.01 | LinuxCode | czr, yeh |
| 23:39.16 | LinuxCode | specially PST |
| 23:39.19 | LinuxCode | -8 |
| 23:39.26 | LinuxCode | cet -9 |
| 23:39.29 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 23:39.45 | czr | CET was bad enough for me last time |
| 23:39.46 | lcuk_2 | familiar? for every device ive coded for then has been one primary dev chain that has been an end to end solution. im losing myself inside virtual machines and just want to edit/compile/run |
| 23:40.15 | czr | lcuk_2, at least now you can find yourself again. just look for the ping hairy thingy :-) |
| 23:40.25 | czr | but yeah, you're on to something.. |
| 23:41.14 | lcuk_2 | i can do it with python now for maemo, but I'll be damned if i can understand the process for anything else |
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| 23:42.16 | LinuxCode | tbh.... |
| 23:42.21 | czr | allows me to track multiple timezones simultanously, not just two |
| 23:42.29 | LinuxCode | nokia made a huge mistake not to put a calendar etc.. app in |
| 23:42.44 | LinuxCode | I was pretty miffed...I expected it |
| 23:42.51 | LinuxCode | even my shitty P800 has one |
| 23:42.54 | czr | there might be some reasons for that though |
| 23:43.00 | |tbb| | gnite all |
| 23:43.04 | LinuxCode | yeh 2008 is a bit behind |
| 23:43.05 | lcuk_2 | nite tbb |
| 23:43.07 | LinuxCode | nn mate |
| 23:43.17 | czr | cause they assume that people are using their phones for calendaring and such, which is obviously kind of weird when you'd have the large screen of N810 |
| 23:43.20 | LinuxCode | device dev was faster than OS dev |
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| 23:43.36 | czr | well, it might be some internal strategic reason |
| 23:43.39 | czr | who knows of these things.. |
| 23:43.42 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 23:43.48 | LinuxCode | the big whale |
| 23:43.59 | LinuxCode | who knows where it swims and how fast |
| 23:44.04 | lcuk_2 | nokia fly on wall: arse, meet elbow |
| 23:44.09 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:45.02 | lcuk_2 | their n9x phone people need to get together with the maemo people and do some interfacing |
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| 23:45.24 | czr | hopefully not |
| 23:45.28 | czr | at least most of the sw on N810 runs |
| 23:45.34 | lcuk_2 | even if its just for the powervr code |
| 23:45.35 | czr | even if there's not a lot of it |
| 23:45.52 | czr | the powervr thing is a money question I guess |
| 23:46.07 | LinuxCode | Id like to see a mobile phone using linux |
| 23:46.07 | czr | and a design question as well, I'd guess |
| 23:46.28 | czr | motorola has some, as does panasonic and moko |
| 23:46.34 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 23:46.40 | LinuxCode | but everywhere in the Uk i asked |
| 23:46.43 | LinuxCode | nobody knows |
| 23:47.26 | LinuxCode | or stocks them afaik |
| 23:47.26 | LinuxCode | its very disappointing |
| 23:47.26 | LinuxCode | but now I dont care anymore |
| 23:47.26 | czr | well, UK is a backwards country in so many ways anyway ;-) |
| 23:47.26 | LinuxCode | now I have the N810 |
| 23:47.26 | LinuxCode | czr, you here ? |
| 23:47.28 | LinuxCode | UK ? |
| 23:47.49 | czr | not at the moment no. but I've visited/spent some time over there |
| 23:48.09 | LinuxCode | czr, you sir, are disqualified |
| 23:48.12 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:48.14 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:48.14 | lcuk_2 | where bouts are u linux? |
| 23:48.19 | LinuxCode | cardiff |
| 23:48.21 | LinuxCode | you ? |
| 23:48.24 | lcuk_2 | manchester |
| 23:48.29 | LinuxCode | k |
| 23:48.31 | czr | ah. liked manchester |
| 23:48.31 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 23:48.40 | lcuk_2 | then you can have it |
| 23:48.43 | czr | it had a nice feel to it |
| 23:48.52 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 23:48.56 | LinuxCode | here have London.. |
| 23:49.00 | lcuk_2 | did you actually manage to go anywhere without gettin mugged? |
| 23:49.00 | LinuxCode | you may sell it ... |
| 23:49.05 | LinuxCode | and buy a new City |
| 23:49.08 | czr | lcuk_2, sure :-) |
| 23:49.26 | czr | but then again I only walked outside during daylight :-) |
| 23:49.27 | lcuk_2 | im goin over the top, but once you look beneath the surface manc isnt that nice |
| 23:49.32 | czr | so I guess I'm even more disqualified ;-) |
| 23:49.39 | czr | probably |
| 23:49.47 | czr | I didn't spend too much time there. was living in chester at that time |
| 23:49.56 | LinuxCode | steals |
| 23:49.57 | lcuk_2 | might be the same everywhere but there are scallies who arent that nice |
| 23:49.57 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:49.58 | czr | and it was driving me nuts, so machester was a nice change |
| 23:50.17 | lcuk_2 | manc can be great with a bit of makeup on |
| 23:50.18 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, the "chavs" |
| 23:50.22 | czr | LinuxCode, leave my hos alone! |
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| 23:50.26 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:50.37 | lcuk_2 | i think chavs are too posh for this lot |
| 23:50.37 | czr | lcuk_2, you have the pink wig now, so you're on your way to liking it ;-) |
| 23:50.38 | LinuxCode | I hope my laptop battery comes tomorrow |
| 23:50.43 | LinuxCode | lcuk_2, haha |
| 23:51.14 | lcuk_2 | i like lots of things about manc and in the busy towncentre there is a great vibe |
| 23:51.44 | lcuk_2 | but once you start walking the streets on warmish nights (the 3 nights a week when its not raining) the mood changes |
| 23:51.45 | czr | btw, the timediff from here to PST is 10 hours |
| 23:51.53 | lcuk_2 | where are you? |
| 23:52.13 | czr | The Great Linux Kingdom of Finland (now serving Reindeers too) |
| 23:52.23 | czr | Helsinki to be more precise. at least at this moment. |
| 23:52.48 | lcuk_2 | cool |
| 23:52.54 | lcuk_2 | and if i remember you dont drive |
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| 23:52.56 | czr | the word is "cold".. |
| 23:53.11 | czr | oh, I could, but I live in the city centre so owning a car would be silly for me. |
| 23:53.23 | lcuk_2 | i remember the conversation now |
| 23:53.33 | czr | see.. the ping wig is working! |
| 23:53.38 | czr | pink even. |
| 23:53.41 | lcuk_2 | your timezone program - does it retain user name lists and other info |
| 23:53.43 | czr | although a ping wig would be cool too |
| 23:53.51 | czr | lcuk_2, it's a clock applet. so no. |
| 23:54.00 | czr | but that would be an interesting idea |
| 23:54.01 | LinuxCode | btw guys the internal mem on the N810 is NAND memory ? |
| 23:54.01 | lcuk_2 | i need a wallchart with user snippets on |
| 23:54.07 | LinuxCode | can any of you confirm that ? |
| 23:54.16 | czr | although I was thinking about that when was thinking about the problem of organizing meeting times between people |
| 23:54.42 | czr | LinuxCode, dmesg might have some messages to that effect, although I can't be certain atm.. |
| 23:54.52 | LinuxCode | good idea |
| 23:54.53 | czr | probably NAND.. |
| 23:54.55 | LinuxCode | lets see |
| 23:55.00 | LinuxCode | I read it somehwhere |
| 23:55.01 | czr | I'd be suprised if not. |
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| 23:55.04 | LinuxCode | I hope it is! |
| 23:55.06 | lcuk_2 | linux, its got DDR NOR and NAND |
| 23:55.14 | LinuxCode | nand doesnt degrade |
| 23:55.16 | lcuk_2 | 128mb DDR |
| 23:55.19 | LinuxCode | wicked! |
| 23:55.22 | LinuxCode | awesome! |
| 23:55.31 | lcuk_2 | and 256 MB NOR flash memory |
| 23:55.48 | lcuk_2 | and integrated (NAND) flash capacity for storing data is 2 GB |
| 23:55.52 | LinuxCode | now all it would need is 4GB of it and it would be a device for life-time |
| 23:56.08 | lcuk_2 | at least thats what tgdaily says |
| 23:56.10 | LinuxCode | then expanding memory usage wont be an issue |
| 23:56.13 | lcuk_2 | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34941/149/ |
| 23:56.28 | LinuxCode | if its nand...because it doesnt degrade |
| 23:57.27 | LinuxCode | well it does degrade |
| 23:57.38 | LinuxCode | but 1 million writes.. |
| 23:57.40 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:57.57 | LinuxCode | as long as your filesystem aint stupid |
| 23:58.06 | LinuxCode | saying that its fat16/32 |
| 23:58.13 | czr | does it matter whether the user is stupid or not? |
| 23:59.07 | lcuk_2 | churning the virtual memory page might be a bad idea ;) |
| 23:59.19 | czr | but if one is hungry! |
| 23:59.45 | czr | (the dirty ones taste weird) |
