| 00:00.18 | lcuk_2 | defishwell arent we a great bunch of nokia fanboys! |
| 00:00.18 | pupnik | maybe pidgin is ok for IM |
| 00:00.21 | hachi | yeah, but telepathy's non-purple xmpp connector doesn't support anything but SASL auth |
| 00:00.24 | lcuk_2 | -defish |
| 00:00.26 | pupnik | for irc, it needs standard command line commands - /connect /join ... |
| 00:00.44 | hachi | so I can't use the builtin IM client for 3 of the 3 xmpp networks I use |
| 00:01.07 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, did you file a bug? |
| 00:01.08 | hachi | and yes, this is my own damned fault cause I'm the only active maintainer of the jabber server left, but still... I'm lazy :) |
| 00:01.27 | hachi | no need to file a bug, it's my own fault |
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| 00:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | Well, isn't it something it should support anyway? |
| 00:02.39 | mardi_ | anyone give me reason why should boot of SD card? |
| 00:03.01 | hachi | I don't know, they also have a libpurple connector, I should ask them if their plan is to switch to libpurple or not |
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| 00:03.34 | hachi | if I enable VM, does it use the MTD, the MMC or the SD card for VM? |
| 00:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | mardi_, having a backup that you can switch to easily is a good reason |
| 00:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | otherwise, there's not much point. |
| 00:04.06 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, I don't know on the N810. |
| 00:04.58 | mardi_ | I see most of the guides tell you how to setup boot from 2GB SD card, mines a 4GB. What size partitions should I set for things, would you recomend? |
| 00:05.44 | |tbb| | i wonder why connection trough ssh to my n810 take so long, i mean that time before i can type the password, about 10 seconds |
| 00:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's weird like that every once and a while |
| 00:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot solves it for me. |
| 00:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Only happens about once a month. |
| 00:07.12 | |tbb| | then your more lucky than me |
| 00:07.14 | jott | hachi: the internal mmc is used for swap, but you could also create a custom swap partition.. |
| 00:07.18 | ds3 | okay, what is the expect behavior with a bluetooth keyboard - there doesn't seem to be a menu option to connect to a BT keyboard like with the kbdd driver in OS2007? |
| 00:07.33 | hachi | jott, that's fine, I just wasn't sure whether it was the mtd or the mmc |
| 00:07.44 | hachi | I may create my own :) |
| 00:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | Initial pairing or general usage, ds3? |
| 00:08.16 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: general usage |
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| 00:08.32 | ds3 | it is pair, and it worked that time |
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| 00:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | Type on the keyboard to wake it from sleep and either close it or let it idle for 3 minutes to disconnect. |
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| 00:09.07 | ds3 | oh so I do not need to manually manage it? |
| 00:09.11 | |tbb| | ive noticed if im online but not much traffic goes through the wlan and then i try to ping to the router, it takes 3-4 seconds before i get response, if i try it again, seconds later it give me response in a hurry |
| 00:09.24 | |tbb| | is this powersave? |
| 00:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | No, ds3. |
| 00:09.37 | GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, shouldn't be. |
| 00:09.43 | ds3 | cool |
| 00:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | Could be if the router has poor powersaving support, though, I suppose. |
| 00:10.24 | hachi | GeneralAntilles: what is the powersaving called, is there a spec or anything? |
| 00:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Probably |
| 00:10.34 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, though. |
| 00:10.37 | lcuk_2 | does anyone know if a powered hub with a nokia charging attachment will actually charge the device? |
| 00:10.44 | hachi | I run a custom AP and I haven't been able to figure out what the settings are related to... I figured it ws the becon interval mostly |
| 00:10.47 | hachi | but I'm not sure |
| 00:12.32 | ds3 | that could be ARP delays |
| 00:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, lcuk_2? N800 <- USB-to-barrel -> Powered hub? |
| 00:12.51 | lcuk_2 | n810 but yes |
| 00:12.56 | GeneralAntilles | Should |
| 00:13.01 | lcuk_2 | cool |
| 00:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be a little slower than the wallwart |
| 00:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | but, yeah. |
| 00:13.26 | lcuk_2 | as long as it goes up on average thats fine |
| 00:15.05 | Delio | the charger form nokia has a 980mA rating while an USB port has a maximum current of 500mA |
| 00:15.11 | lcuk_2 | if i disconnect can some1 tell me because i cant see my screen and i will have got the wrong one |
| 00:15.22 | Delio | it may be not healthy for your hub to charge an N8x0 |
| 00:15.24 | lcuk_2 | ;) |
| 00:15.35 | lcuk_2 | the hub is a £5 wonder horse |
| 00:15.49 | lcuk_2 | i dun care about its health as long as it doesnt blow me up |
| 00:16.32 | Delio | correction: the wall charger's rating is 890mA |
| 00:16.40 | |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: do you know how to control the backlight of the keyboard? |
| 00:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | Delio, the car chargers are rated for about 360mA |
| 00:16.42 | lcuk_2 | i dont understand why we cant just charge from usb and be done with it |
| 00:16.46 | ds3 | is this going to turn into the modern version the mouse's revenge (where the home owner tries to burn a mouse but the flaming mouse runs in and burns down the house)? |
| 00:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, N810 specific stuff is not my field. ;) |
| 00:17.18 | lcuk_2 | are you gettin one ant? |
| 00:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, probably some complication with host-mode and the fact that USB doesn't provide nearly as much power as the barrel. |
| 00:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 00:17.26 | Delio | GeneralAntilles: ah, interesting. OK then it should work |
| 00:17.27 | GeneralAntilles | the N810 is garbage |
| 00:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | Delio, and it does charge when it's plugged in in the car playing mp3s and doing GPS. |
| 00:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | There's no advantage over the N800. |
| 00:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | Just less storage and more cost. |
| 00:19.24 | Juhaz | charging 770 from various power sources including but not limited to several usb ports, 4x1.5V AA batteries, ..., bit on both sides of 5V and varying amperage hasn't hurt either the device or said power sources |
| 00:19.31 | Juhaz | but perhaps n8xx are more picky |
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| 00:19.52 | lcuk_2 | i am happy about having a keyboard even if it is not perfect - i tried the onscreen one and would not be able to use it |
| 00:20.13 | lcuk_2 | and i couldnt carry around a bt one |
| 00:20.41 | ds3 | why not carry around a BT kb? |
| 00:22.28 | |tbb| | lcuk_2: tell me if you have found them, he should learn how to use shell |
| 00:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, it's a matter of practice |
| 00:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | The onscreen thumbboard is actually very good once you get a feel for its quirks. |
| 00:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | I do about 35wpm on average |
| 00:23.40 | lcuk_2 | i bet you do but it covers up most of the screen |
| 00:24.00 | lcuk_2 | have you seen this strange one which shows through the screen and you type from the back |
| 00:24.05 | lcuk_2 | not nokia btw |
| 00:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why I've been arguing for a transparency. |
| 00:25.23 | lcuk_2 | since you know it so well could you cope with a fine layout on a transparent antiscratch cover |
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| 00:25.49 | lcuk_2 | as in the KB doesnt actually show up on screen you just bash where it should be as usual |
| 00:26.37 | GeneralAntilles | Can't touch type without separate keys. :P |
| 00:27.08 | lcuk_2 | but your thumbs must have muscle memory |
| 00:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not without some sort of calibration. |
| 00:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | Which are the keys on a real keyboard or the screen on the N800. |
| 00:30.06 | lcuk_2 | just a thought.. |
| 00:30.52 | lcuk_2 | wheres the best place to put a shell script which i can just open term and run without specifying a path? |
| 00:31.18 | lcuk_2 | or the inverse, how do i find the current path |
| 00:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you should add /usr/local/bin to the search path |
| 00:31.24 | lcuk_2 | and search thing |
| 00:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | and stick stuff there |
| 00:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | or just use /usr/bin |
| 00:31.50 | jott | or ~/bin .. or PATH=$PATH:/whatever ;) |
| 00:32.00 | lcuk_2 | /usr/local/bin - would that be just for my user or would it work if i ssh'ed in? |
| 00:32.13 | lcuk_2 | (as root) |
| 00:32.35 | jott | if you extend the path in /etc/profile its global |
| 00:33.04 | lcuk_2 | thanks ill take a look |
| 00:34.13 | |tbb| | anyone else got this, keyboard blight goes out and not on anymore, before slidein/out the keyboard |
| 00:34.42 | lcuk_2 | tbb - i get it flashing |
| 00:34.56 | lcuk_2 | jott, thanks is that in fbreader format? |
| 00:35.55 | jott | lcuk_2: you'll probably find a good one (or at least could convert it) |
| 00:35.59 | |tbb| | lcuk_2: ? |
| 00:36.18 | lcuk_2 | keyboard flashes at me if i catch it as its going off and i need to open close it |
| 00:36.30 | lcuk_2 | timings for the backlight are awful |
| 00:37.28 | |tbb| | ah k |
| 00:38.31 | lcuk_2 | there isnt a centralised power profile settings area for this device is there |
| 00:38.51 | lcuk_2 | as in, screen, keyboard backlight, network connection even clock speed |
| 00:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | The mildly funny thing about /usr/local is that it's stuff that the OS shouldn't touch during upgrades |
| 00:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | except we do all of our upgrades by writing over the rootfs. |
| 00:41.55 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: what would you think of FN+Space = Tab? |
| 00:42.04 | pupnik | and one of the shift buttons = alt? |
| 00:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds fine to me, but I've only used the N810's keyboard once. |
| 00:42.21 | ds3 | so /usr/local should reside on yet another mtd partition }:-) |
| 00:42.21 | jott | i have Fn+Backspace=Tab |
| 00:42.29 | lcuk_2 | pup - are you on 810 and have you considered the centre D pad |
| 00:42.32 | jott | works quite nice |
| 00:43.00 | |tbb| | fn+backspace shows desktop for me ;) |
| 00:44.54 | jott | is there actually some documentation (or reverse engineering) of the dsmesock stuff? |
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| 00:50.00 | |tbb| | gnite everyone |
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| 01:08.11 | blackmad | is there a way to kkill maemo_af_desktop without rebooting the device? |
| 01:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Connect a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 01:12.34 | blackmad | when I ssh in and kill the maemo_af_desktop process, the system reboots |
| 01:13.55 | GeneralAntilles | That would be the hardware watchdog |
| 01:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | why do you want to kill it? |
| 01:15.09 | blackmad | because I don't want to ever see the desktop, trying to have the device open up, play a video and then go blank |
| 01:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have to disable the watchdog with the flasher |
| 01:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | but then you're about 10x more likely to brick your device. |
| 01:15.56 | blackmad | how so? can't I always yank out the battery? |
| 01:20.14 | lcuk_2 | whos got host mode working on 8x0? and why would a keyboard work earlier but not now? ive checked everything i can out - host mode works, a usb mem stick operates directly, the hub works mem stick through there as well, the keyboard works, checked with this windows device. on 810 though now the caps lock light works only |
| 01:21.32 | lcuk_2 | ive tried rebooting and changing back to host mode with the /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode script cos without it nothing works.. |
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| 01:28.46 | msh | lcuk_2: it's not using a ps2-usb adapter is it? |
| 01:29.22 | lcuk_2 | no, its a brand new (tho cheap) usb hub - the KB was working perfectly without it earlier tho |
| 01:29.38 | lcuk_2 | it continued to work with it as well after i connected |
| 01:30.08 | ds3 | the N800 with OS2008 works with SDHC cards right? |
| 01:30.35 | lcuk_2 | ahhh msh - no, its a direct 100% usb connection to the keyboard |
| 01:30.55 | lcuk_2 | logitech barebones plainjane keyboard, no multimedia functions |
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| 01:31.46 | lcuk_2 | the one difference, earlier the caps lock light did not light but worked. now it lights when pressed but the rest of the board doesnt |
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| 01:35.36 | blackmad | oh, neat, I can just open a new X session |
| 01:35.43 | blackmad | now, is there xsetbg compiled for the 770? |
| 01:39.48 | lcuk_2 | hmmmmmmm i bashed the keys it rebooted - now its back on its working - i think the usb chip got a bit muddled |
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| 01:48.57 | blackmad | xsetroot? anyone? |
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| 01:53.35 | blackmad | why doesn't xsetroot actually change the color? |
| 01:53.41 | blackmad | uit flashes the screen and then it stays white |
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| 02:07.01 | hachi | in full sun will the n810 power down the backlight because it knows ahead of time that it can't handle driving it bright enough? |
| 02:07.14 | hachi | I live in SF, haven't had a chance to test it in full sun yet :) |
| 02:08.22 | Delio | O.o |
| 02:08.30 | lcuk_2 | if you are anything like me then you will disable it before you get the chance (disable = putting a sticker over it because the changing brightness will annoy you) |
| 02:09.12 | Delio | Is the weather in SF so crappy or you guys have boreal winter darkness at lower latitudes these days? ;-P |
| 02:10.22 | hachi | nah, it's fine for me |
| 02:10.31 | hachi | no, but we don't get full sun right now |
| 02:10.44 | hachi | we get this... foggy/cloudy sun in the winter |
| 02:10.50 | hachi | there will be a sunny day sometime here |
| 02:11.22 | hachi | have you ever heard the joke "the coldest winter was a summer I spent in san francisco" ? |
| 02:11.25 | hachi | :) |
| 02:11.56 | Delio | First time I hear the joke, funny :) |
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| 02:57.26 | lophyte | hi all, can't seem to get usb host mode working with os2008 on my n800... is it just a matter of 'echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb/hdrc/mode' ? |
| 03:00.01 | petergunn | I used a modified mini-A cable that switched automatically |
| 03:00.36 | lophyte | I modified a mini-A cable to have a female connector rather than a male connector |
| 03:00.45 | lophyte | I'm trying to plug in a USB flash drive but its not doing anything |
| 03:01.21 | petergunn | u sure its a mini-A? it wont fit in the mini-B slot in the n800 without mods |
| 03:01.38 | lophyte | er, sorry... |
| 03:01.55 | lophyte | I basically took the USB cable that came with the N800, hacked off the end, and soldered on a female connector |
| 03:02.15 | petergunn | ah - then u definately need to switch manually |
| 03:02.21 | petergunn | before connecting cable |
| 03:02.42 | lophyte | by just echoing host into that path? |
| 03:02.47 | lophyte | or is there something else? |
| 03:03.20 | petergunn | nope should just be the echo - check the path is right |
| 03:03.55 | lophyte | it is.. |
| 03:03.58 | lophyte | hmm |
| 03:04.19 | lophyte | do I need extra kernel modules to handle usb storage devices? or a modified kernel? |
| 03:04.33 | petergunn | nope os2008 is fine |
| 03:04.38 | petergunn | u did flash right? |
| 03:04.40 | lophyte | yeah |
| 03:04.51 | lophyte | I flashed os2008 on it a few nights ago |
| 03:04.58 | lophyte | the latest image |
| 03:05.10 | lophyte | only thing I notice is this... |
| 03:05.20 | lophyte | when I echo host, and then cat that file, it says 'a_wait_bcon' |
| 03:05.26 | lophyte | then I plug the cable in with a USB flash drive attached |
| 03:05.30 | lophyte | and it changes to 'a_idle' |
| 03:05.32 | lophyte | but thats it |
| 03:08.57 | petergunn | echo host> /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 03:09.08 | lophyte | yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 03:09.16 | petergunn | not what u wrote before |
| 03:09.25 | lophyte | ahh |
| 03:09.33 | lophyte | yeah I wrote that from memory |
| 03:09.35 | lophyte | I meant _ |
| 03:09.45 | petergunn | u doig it as root right? |
| 03:09.49 | lophyte | yup |
| 03:10.32 | petergunn | might be worth trying the wiki scripts |
| 03:10.33 | petergunn | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 |
| 03:10.43 | petergunn | Host.sh |
| 03:12.42 | petergunn | u sure u wired it right? |
| 03:12.58 | petergunn | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117499&highlight=a_wait_bcon#post117499 |
| 03:14.11 | Delio | petergunn: you said something about an auto switching cable before (?) |
| 03:14.24 | Delio | can you clarify or tell me more, pls |
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| 03:14.46 | petergunn | Yup on n800s u can use a modified mini-A usb cable |
| 03:14.54 | petergunn | just modify the end so it fits in the slot |
| 03:15.19 | petergunn | or use a mini-B (like the one you got with the n800) and short pins 4+5 |
| 03:15.37 | petergunn | just plug in and go |
| 03:16.21 | petergunn | u just reminded me - was going to plug in a usb->net to see what happens |
| 03:20.04 | Delio | thanks, petergunn |
| 03:20.24 | Delio | now I will have to refresh my memory about what is the difference between mini a and mini b cables |
| 03:20.29 | petergunn | not enuf power for usb->net :/ |
| 03:20.42 | Delio | (i.e. I want to figure our *why* it works automatically) |
| 03:21.02 | petergunn | mini-a is white end doesnt fit into mini-b without mod (i.e. file it down a bit on the sides) |
| 03:21.27 | petergunn | mini-a has pin-5 shorted to pin-4 - os2008 detects and switches to host mode |
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| 03:23.03 | Delio | cheers |
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| 03:38.45 | lophyte | hm, no luck |
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| 03:39.05 | penguinbait | anyone recommend a good hosting company? with lots of bandwidth at a low price :) |
| 03:40.37 | lophyte | there's no way to just plug the n800 into a hub and use that for usb host mode is there? |
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| 03:55.46 | kriebel | while you can plug it into a hub, hubs are not hosts |
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| 04:05.29 | dragorn | kriebel: have you tested with a hub? The OTG chipset isn't *supposed* to support hubs. I had little luck in my tests. |
| 04:05.57 | dragorn | lophyte: you can set it to host mode via sysfs |
| 04:06.19 | dragorn | lophyte: find /sys -name \*musb\* .. I forget the exact path. |
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| 04:08.28 | Mooler | anybody know if the NuvoPearl theme was ever ported to OS2008 |
| 04:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Not so far |
| 04:09.00 | Mooler | beautiful theme that was |
| 04:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | Plankton is better. :P |
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| 04:09.27 | Mooler | I do like Plankton I have to say myself |
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| 04:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | The built-in themes in OS2008 are the first ones that haven't been completely awful. |
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| 05:06.56 | skibur | Does anybody have the orginal RSS FEEDs that nokia preintalled? |
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| 05:14.16 | skibur | hell? |
| 05:14.31 | bender183 | sorry about that |
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| 05:31.22 | hachi | anyone have an idea how long an n810 lasts once battery is 'low' ? |
| 05:31.25 | hachi | brand new |
| 05:31.46 | hachi | I suppose I could ssh into it and see if there are acpi battery stats |
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| 05:35.12 | tank-man | click the battery icon and it will give an estimate |
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| 06:16.47 | kulve | http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/ |
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| 06:21.38 | qnr | Hmmm... ok, I changed the machine name in /etc/hosts (but not in hostname) ... now, I can't do a sudo gainroot to change it back, since it comes back with "unable to lookup (oldhostname) via gethostbyname()" .. any recommendations? |
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| 06:21.55 | qnr | I've restored from my last backup, that didn't help |
| 06:27.51 | melmoth | setting a fake dns server that would give the old hostnampe ip ? |
| 06:28.19 | qnr | hmmm |
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| 06:31.15 | qnr | well, currently, it doesn't the ip address is assigned to the wireless access point :/ not to the n800 |
| 06:32.17 | qnr | well, I could figure this out, but I've been putting off installing OS2008 on that card... I should probably do that now that things are a little mixed up |
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| 07:03.14 | unique311 | is there a reason why xmame for maemo is at 0.58 and the version made available on the xmame site is at 0.106? |
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| 07:07.32 | qnr | For future reference, I was able to gain root by rapidly scrolling up and hitting return a number of times (took many more times because the last command in my root history was "reboot" lol ) |
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| 08:14.28 | astro76 | unique311: the 0.58 is the last version before some changes which made emulation more accurate but slower |
| 08:14.36 | astro76 | this version is often used on low end machines |
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| 08:16.43 | unique311 | ok |
| 08:17.06 | unique311 | no roms work on this version |
| 08:17.54 | astro76 | well, they can be found, or you can possibly convert yours using clrmamepro and a 0.58 dat file |
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| 08:19.24 | Tama^2 | some do work |
| 08:20.22 | unique311 | clrmamepro |
| 08:20.25 | unique311 | cool |
| 08:20.29 | unique311 | now this dat file |
| 08:20.35 | unique311 | i've been looking for it |
| 08:20.38 | astro76 | hmm 0.36 was the old version I was thinking of, but I assume it's the same reason with 0.58 |
| 08:20.39 | unique311 | can't located it |
| 08:20.45 | unique311 | maybe thats my problem, huh |
| 08:20.56 | Tama^2 | usually the same shady places where you can find roms :P |
| 08:21.14 | unique311 | so it doesn't come with the DAT file |
| 08:21.15 | astro76 | also, there's something called rollback sets which will contain any missing roms to make your new sets into the old sets |
| 08:21.16 | unique311 | ok |
| 08:21.19 | astro76 | still need the dat |
| 08:21.49 | unique311 | and the DAT goes in /usr/share/games/xmame? |
| 08:22.08 | astro76 | no it's used with clrmamepro which is a windows program |
| 08:22.12 | astro76 | it does work in wine though |
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| 08:22.58 | unique311 | will give it a try |
| 08:23.01 | unique311 | thanks |
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| 08:28.59 | hachi | maemo-launcher on my n810 is taking up 100% of the cpu, how can I figure out what's causing this? |
| 08:30.28 | hachi | strace is showing it talking over dbus to flash the led |
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| 08:30.52 | Tama^2 | it's probably invoking the builtin email client ;) |
| 08:31.08 | hachi | I think it's invoking modest |
| 08:31.40 | proteous | I invoke panic :/ |
| 08:32.08 | hachi | well, this isn't good at all... I reduced my inbox to 1200 messages total and it still can't handle it? |
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| 08:33.09 | djcb | modest does not use maemo-launcher |
| 08:33.27 | hachi | the builtin email client has no config |
| 08:33.55 | djcb | well, whatever maemo-launcher is doing, it's not starting modest |
| 08:34.02 | hachi | {"\31\0\0\0PatternCommunicationEmail\0", 30} |
| 08:34.10 | hachi | modest is running, and I just rebooted it |
| 08:34.12 | hachi | didn't launch |
| 08:36.02 | hachi | oooh, notifications.db |
| 08:36.13 | hachi | I can customize my colors using sqlite |
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| 08:36.27 | Piotras | hi |
| 08:37.04 | Piotras | stupid question: how can I install libreadline5-dev inside scratchbox ( ARM target ) *quickly* ? |
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| 08:53.12 | hachi | how is claws-mail for usability? |
| 08:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's fine. |
| 08:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Little heavy |
| 08:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | but it works well. |
| 08:54.51 | hachi | well, modest is causing maemo-launcher to take up tons of cpu :\ |
| 08:55.06 | hachi | can't figure out why it was taking up so much cpu |
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| 08:55.44 | hachi | the strace wasn't showing all that many dbus calls being made.... it was spending a lot of time doing an internal calculation |
| 08:56.11 | hachi | oh you are kidding me |
| 08:56.17 | hachi | I have ltrace on this platform? |
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| 09:14.54 | hachi | anyone got pand working on OS 2008? |
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| 09:27.36 | Java-Jim | Hi! I just discovered the dmsetool on my N770 device. Is the source code for this application available? |
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| 09:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | Java-Jim, no. |
| 09:30.48 | Java-Jim | GeneralAntilles: Ah, too bad. |
| 09:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | Verily |
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| 09:33.27 | Jaffa | There's "powertool" which is an open source replacement, IIRC |
| 09:35.15 | Java-Jim | Jaffa: Do you have an URL for that? "powertool" is a little too generic for Google... :) |
| 09:36.05 | jku | how usable is the SDK+ now? |
| 09:36.28 | jku | I tried a simple project and it was fine, but the build compat list on the SDK+ project page say 30% of packages in maemo repository fail... |
| 09:38.48 | Jaffa | Java-Jim: powerlaunch, sorry. Seems to replace mce rather than dsme: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/32773?search_string=mce;#32773 |
| 09:39.02 | hachi | anyone have scummvm games working? I dug out my old samnmax floppies and can't get it going :) |
| 09:39.34 | Tama^2 | Sam and mac cd version works for me |
| 09:39.50 | hachi | I never found the CDRom edition for sale |
| 09:39.53 | hachi | was it full talkie? |
| 09:40.10 | Tama^2 | yes, I think so |
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| 09:42.27 | michele_ | hachi: *cough* torrents *cough* |
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| 09:49.27 | hachi | do I have to do something to make talkie work on the maemo build? |
| 09:49.30 | hachi | or is it disabled? |
| 09:50.03 | Java-Jim | Jaffa: Thank you! |
| 09:50.57 | Tama^2 | it worked out of the box for me |
| 09:51.09 | hachi | okie |
| 09:51.11 | Tama^2 | uncompress it of course |
| 09:51.20 | hachi | uncompress the audio? |
| 09:51.36 | Tama^2 | no the archive with the game in it |
| 09:51.39 | hachi | I just have a MONSTER.SOU |
| 09:51.46 | Tama^2 | that's fine |
| 09:51.55 | hachi | yeah, I actually own the games still, so no need :) |
| 09:52.10 | Tama^2 | I pointed SCUMMVM at the directory with the game and it recognized the game and version |
| 09:52.48 | Tama^2 | I own it too :) but it's in some drawer on the other side of the planet xD |
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| 09:55.07 | hachi | so, there's map data on the mmc that came with the device, am I able to get that data again later, or should I back it up? |
| 09:56.38 | hachi | oh, apparently the talkie part is missing at the beginning of the game |
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| 09:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | You can download it again. |
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| 10:03.44 | hachi | I thought this device couldn't play vorbis files natively, but then the mapping application has all its audio encoded in vorbis? |
| 10:04.15 | hachi | or is the media player app just dumb that way? |
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| 10:05.38 | pupnik_ | hachi, well it's software |
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| 10:21.16 | Khertan | Hi |
| 10:23.02 | Spakman | Hi |
| 10:24.14 | maddler | hi |
| 10:25.23 | kulve | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.11 | hachi | EHLO |
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| 10:44.07 | Khertan | hachi> 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname |
| 10:44.25 | Khertan | :) |
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| 10:57.44 | mardi_ | anyone followed this guide to install KDE on SD > http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html |
| 10:58.13 | Nermal | where are you stuck ? |
| 10:58.36 | mardi_ | these commands fail > |
| 10:58.36 | mardi_ | # insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko |
| 10:58.36 | mardi_ | # insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko |
| 10:58.53 | mardi_ | with "file exists" message |
| 10:59.29 | mardi_ | N800, OS2008, 4GB card in external slot |
| 10:59.32 | nomis | mardi_: then these kernel modules are already loaded into the kernel. |
| 10:59.36 | Nermal | probably means the modules are already loaded |
| 10:59.42 | nomis | mardi_: "lsmod" should show you them. |
| 10:59.50 | mardi_ | mkdir /opt/ then says "cannot create" |
| 10:59.56 | Nermal | are you root ? |
| 11:00.12 | mardi_ | SSH'ed in, logged in as root |
| 11:00.39 | Nermal | uh .. don't put a trailing / on |
| 11:00.44 | Nermal | so mkdir /opt |
| 11:00.50 | Nermal | maybe |
| 11:01.04 | mardi_ | same message |
| 11:01.17 | Nermal | hum :Z |
| 11:01.29 | mardi_ | lsmod output.. |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# lsmod |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | Module Size Used by |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | ext2 51080 0 - Live 0xbf085000 |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | ext3 107304 0 - Live 0xbf069000 |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | jbd 51592 1 ext3, Live 0xbf05b000 |
| 11:01.31 | mardi_ | mbcache 7108 2 ext2,ext3, Live 0xbf058000 |
| 11:01.33 | mardi_ | g_file_storage 27560 0 - Live 0xbf050000 |
| 11:01.35 | mardi_ | cx3110x 56200 0 - Live 0xbf041000 |
| 11:01.37 | mardi_ | umac 258788 1 cx3110x, Live 0xbf000000 (P) |
| 11:01.39 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# |
| 11:02.04 | Nermal | well they're loaded |
| 11:02.08 | Nermal | do you have space on / |
| 11:02.31 | mardi_ | could you please explain "space on /" |
| 11:02.51 | Nermal | do you have space on the device |
| 11:03.03 | Nermal | what does df -h |grep 4 show you ? |
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| 11:05.48 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# df -h |grep 4 |
| 11:05.48 | mardi_ | none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /mnt/initfs/tmp |
| 11:05.48 | mardi_ | none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /tmp |
| 11:06.04 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 2.0M 2.0M 0 100% /mnt/initfs |
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| 11:06.06 | mardi_ | -sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied |
| 11:06.06 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /mnt/initfs/tmp |
| 11:06.06 | mardi_ | -sh: none: not found |
| 11:06.06 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 228.2M 23.3M 91% / |
| 11:06.06 | mardi_ | -sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied |
| 11:06.07 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /tmp |
| 11:06.09 | mardi_ | -sh: none: not found |
| 11:06.11 | mardi_ | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# |
| 11:07.22 | Nermal | ok - so you have 23.3 mb free on / |
| 11:07.26 | Nermal | which should be ok |
| 11:07.51 | mardi_ | which line tells you that? |
| 11:07.59 | Nermal | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 228.2M 23.3M 91% / |
| 11:08.00 | mardi_ | ahh, I see |
| 11:08.25 | mardi_ | should I worry about the permission denied messages? |
| 11:08.32 | Nermal | no |
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| 11:08.48 | Nermal | I don;t think so |
| 11:09.00 | Nermal | hmm.. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make that dir :( |
| 11:09.03 | mardi_ | so that 256mb is the memoy in the N800? |
| 11:09.09 | Nermal | yup |
| 11:09.12 | Dist | Uhh, what did you paste?? |
| 11:09.37 | mardi_ | and the 512? is that the partition I created on the SD card? |
| 11:09.47 | Nermal | no - that's 512k |
| 11:09.56 | mardi_ | opps |
| 11:10.04 | Nermal | not sure where the sd card is - you should try the same df -h but don't put the grep in |
| 11:10.10 | Nermal | and don't paste all the output ;) |
| 11:10.26 | Nermal | use pastebin.ca for large pastes |
| 11:10.47 | Dist | Did you paste your df output to your shell and pasted output of that here? =D |
| 11:10.49 | Nermal | can you paste the output of the command "mount" to pastebin ? |
| 11:10.57 | Nermal | Dist, aye :| |
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| 11:13.15 | mardi_ | df -h does not show much :/ |
| 11:14.44 | Nermal | /dev/mmcblk0p1 3.7G 3.1G 651.1M 83% /media/mmc2 |
| 11:14.50 | Nermal | I see that on mine for my SD card |
| 11:14.52 | florian | re |
| 11:14.53 | mardi_ | http://pastebin.ca/855895 |
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| 11:15.38 | Nermal | ok your sd card isn't mounted |
| 11:15.45 | Nermal | have you tried removing it and inserting it again ? |
| 11:16.06 | Nermal | though that still doesn't explain why you can't mkdir /opt/ :| |
| 11:16.23 | Nermal | oh duh - it already exists |
| 11:16.29 | Nermal | thats probably why :D |
| 11:16.38 | Nermal | do an ls / |
| 11:16.46 | Nermal | and you should see a directory called opt |
| 11:16.53 | Nermal | if so - skip that mkdir step :) |
| 11:17.29 | mardi_ | doh! |
| 11:17.53 | mardi_ | when I was trying it actually on the device I did check with ls and there was no opt |
| 11:18.06 | mardi_ | but yes from remote SSH there is opt |
| 11:18.07 | Nermal | you might need some more space on / though for kde |
| 11:18.29 | Nermal | so you might need to remove some programs (or things like the pdf manuals / demo video) |
| 11:19.09 | mardi_ | just rebooting it |
| 11:20.34 | mardi_ | did I do the right this to partition 4gb SD with 3.5 and 0.5 partitions? |
| 11:21.02 | Nermal | I think so - but I've not installed kde on mine |
| 11:21.40 | mardi_ | thanks - just uninstalling stuff |
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| 11:24.09 | mardi_ | on shutdown, get a message saying memory card corrupt or unformatted :/ |
| 11:24.11 | Khertan | Hi again |
| 11:24.13 | michele_ | so is anybody using sardine? |
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| 11:24.28 | mardi_ | and now not seeing the boot menu |
| 11:24.34 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 11:24.38 | Khertan | michele_> last time it was a total failure :) |
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| 11:25.00 | Khertan | michele_> why ? |
| 11:26.06 | Nermal | mardi_, :(I |
| 11:26.15 | mardi_ | start again? |
| 11:27.06 | michele_ | Khertan: just wondering how stable it was |
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| 11:28.03 | Nermal | mardi_, you'll need to partition it and format it |
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| 11:28.29 | mardi_ | ok - brb |
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| 11:37.23 | michele_ | Khertan: don't you have a repository for your packages? |
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| 11:43.30 | mardi_ | yay! card looks properly formatted |
| 11:43.46 | mardi_ | still cannot do the mkdir /opt/ though :/ http://pastebin.ca/855908 |
| 11:43.58 | Nermal | because it's already there |
| 11:44.20 | Nermal | you're doing ls in /home/user |
| 11:44.21 | mardi_ | but ls does not show it ? |
| 11:44.23 | Nermal | not in / |
| 11:44.26 | Nermal | do cd / |
| 11:44.26 | johnx | ls / |
| 11:44.28 | Nermal | and then ls |
| 11:44.35 | mardi_ | ahh, I see |
| 11:44.46 | mardi_ | so continue and don't worry about it then I guess |
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| 11:44.56 | Nermal | yah |
| 11:44.59 | johnx | also, pwd tells you what dir you are in now |
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| 12:28.23 | jku | how does gpsdriver start getting a fix -- does gpsd do some voodoo or what? |
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| 12:33.54 | alterego | gpsd is started when a program requests to use it. |
| 12:34.07 | alterego | The GPS module is then activated and it's the module that gets the fix. |
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| 12:39.16 | |tbb| | alterego: even if its not fix ;) |
| 12:39.25 | mgedmin | gpsd conflicts with maemo mapper, doesn't it? |
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| 12:41.15 | alterego | No, |
| 12:41.21 | alterego | maemo mapper uses gpsd. |
| 12:43.14 | |tbb| | its really neat switching between map(or navap) and maemo-mapper and both works |
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| 12:44.16 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:44.34 | alterego | maemo-mapper is awesome :) |
| 12:44.48 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 12:44.48 | jku | alterego, thanks. I'm wondering _how_ the module gets activated |
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| 12:45.00 | mgedmin | when I tried telling maemo-mapper to use gpsd, it didn't find one |
| 12:45.02 | alterego | jku, that would be a driver issue. |
| 12:45.15 | alterego | mgedmin, it needs to be started by the 'map' application. |
| 12:45.20 | mgedmin | that sucks |
| 12:45.24 | alterego | Or something else that knows how to activate it. |
| 12:45.26 | mgedmin | I have to start maps so that I can use maemo-mapper? |
| 12:45.49 | alterego | The author of maemo-mapper hasn't had a chance to play with gpsd activation on maemo. |
| 12:46.13 | jku | I can't see anything that would activate the driver in gpsd... |
| 12:46.14 | mgedmin | where is it documented, btw? |
| 12:46.48 | alterego | In the maemo documentation section. |
| 12:47.07 | jku | and libgpsmgr sources are missing again, so I don't know if it's in there actually |
| 12:47.18 | alterego | Yes, it'll be in there. |
| 12:47.25 | alterego | More than likely anyhow. |
| 12:47.35 | jku | alterego, in libgpsmgr? |
| 12:48.00 | alterego | Probably, I don't see why it matters though .. |
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| 12:49.22 | Cptnodegard | grrrrrrrr |
| 12:49.56 | Cptnodegard | buggy usb host on keyboard |
| 12:49.59 | jku | I want to use another gps daemon, in which case I don't need libgpsmgr... |
| 12:51.08 | |tbb| | mgedmin: you dont need to start map application |
| 12:51.16 | |tbb| | do you got a n810? |
| 12:51.19 | mgedmin | n800 |
| 12:51.26 | mgedmin | bluetooth gps |
| 12:51.44 | mgedmin | maemo-mapper connects to it, I get a popup 'enable gps'; if I click yes, maemo-mapper loses connection |
| 12:52.21 | |tbb| | ah, k then i dont know. on n810 you have to just leave the bluetooth mac address empty and anything works fine |
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| 12:55.56 | Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/PICT0111.jpg |
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| 12:57.26 | GeneralAntilles | Time to clean your screen. :P |
| 12:57.44 | Cptnodegard | nah time to take pics without flash |
| 12:58.00 | johnx | looks great |
| 12:58.07 | Cptnodegard | but the "usb kb disables onscreen kb" bug is killing me |
| 12:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | Does it come back after you unplug the keyboard? |
| 12:58.44 | Cptnodegard | nop |
| 12:58.48 | Cptnodegard | thats the bug |
| 12:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anything on bugzilla about it? |
| 12:59.39 | Cptnodegard | theres a thread on ITT about it where someone is asking to bugzilla it, but i dont know fi they did |
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| 13:02.47 | Veggen | wee. |
| 13:03.27 | Veggen | <--got his n810. 24 1/2 hour from the courier got it until it was in my hands. That's |
| 13:03.33 | Veggen | not too bad. |
| 13:04.13 | Cptnodegard | kjøpt fra hvor? |
| 13:04.20 | Cptnodegard | og pris |
| 13:05.33 | Veggen | Nokia, 379 euro pluss frakt etc. |
| 13:05.42 | Veggen | (shippet fra Belgia) |
| 13:05.48 | Cptnodegard | au |
| 13:05.49 | Cptnodegard | toll |
| 13:05.58 | Veggen | jepp. toll blir det. |
| 13:06.15 | Cptnodegard | det er jo... 3200. med toll blir det mer enn den koster på cdon o0 |
| 13:06.39 | |tbb| | where to get the n800 that cheap as you can get it in the us states? |
| 13:07.07 | Blafasel | The buy.com offer seems to beat everything else.. |
| 13:07.25 | |tbb| | where in europe btw |
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| 13:07.44 | Cptnodegard | i dont even want a n810 xD |
| 13:07.54 | Cptnodegard | not enough memory |
| 13:08.11 | Cptnodegard | have a 16GB adata card on the way from the us, and a 8gb in it |
| 13:08.18 | Cptnodegard | for n800 |
| 13:08.21 | Blafasel | Yeah, heard that several times. What exactly are you putting in the card? |
| 13:08.38 | Cptnodegard | putting in the card? |
| 13:08.44 | lcuk_3 | <- n810 £280 (through work, VAT free) |
| 13:08.47 | jott | i bet porn :) |
| 13:08.51 | Cptnodegard | ah |
| 13:08.51 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 13:08.53 | Cptnodegard | tv shows |
| 13:08.53 | Blafasel | On. Typo, i and o being next to each other.. |
| 13:09.06 | Cptnodegard | since you dont need to convert them i need the etxra space ^^ |
| 13:09.17 | lcuk_3 | hmmm i am _3 |
| 13:09.19 | Blafasel | lcuk_3: I've seen it on buy.com for ~350$ (!) last week. |
| 13:09.46 | k-way | What does a n800 cost these days" |
| 13:09.48 | k-way | ? |
| 13:09.48 | lcuk_3 | blah - i was gonna get from there but then thought i would be better direct from nokia - since i get work related discount i am ok |
| 13:09.49 | Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Okay, so not relevant for me. I don't own a TV nor am I interested in movies etc. |
| 13:10.44 | Veggen | I do have an n800 in addition. |
| 13:11.01 | Veggen | don't expect to get rid of it, but time will tell which one will get used :) |
| 13:11.04 | Veggen | (most) |
| 13:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | TV shows, movies, music, audio books, podcasts, ebooks, games, etc. |
| 13:11.24 | johnx | ...a debian chroot |
| 13:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Filling up two SD cards is an easy task. |
| 13:12.05 | lcuk_3 | audio books take too long, but at least you can read them whilst driving |
| 13:12.17 | Cptnodegard | nah not music |
| 13:12.25 | Cptnodegard | n800 sounds like CRAP with headphones |
| 13:12.31 | johnx | I tried to listen to an audio book once and the guy reading it drove me crazy in like 10 minutes |
| 13:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | Bull, Cptnodegard. |
| 13:12.42 | Cptnodegard | but the internal speakers pwns |
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| 13:13.03 | Cptnodegard | i compared it directly to my mp3 player, until you do the same you dont know how bad it sounds |
| 13:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | audio books are great on long car trips. |
| 13:13.12 | lcuk_3 | the 810 headphones are almost silent unless i press the little button on it |
| 13:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | I still say bull |
| 13:13.19 | lcuk_3 | is it something on all of them or am i the only one |
| 13:13.29 | johnx | Cptnodegard, mine sounds fine through headphones but I am not what one would describe as an audiophile... |
| 13:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | I've compared it directly on my receiver, on an iPod and on the N800. |
| 13:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Good set up Shures. |
| 13:13.52 | Cptnodegard | lol ipod |
| 13:13.54 | Cptnodegard | explains it |
| 13:13.58 | Blafasel | Okay, all the media stuff is irrelevant to me, I want it to play with linux development and to access the net everywhere. |
| 13:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't mine. |
| 13:14.18 | lcuk_3 | lol @ disowning ipod |
| 13:14.38 | Cptnodegard | i have an a/b switch so i connect both players playing same song simultaneousely to the same headphones and switch to and fro, only way to really compare sound |
| 13:14.39 | johnx | a debian chroot still accounts for most of my used space on a 2GB SD card |
| 13:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_3, not disowning |
| 13:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | just a statement of truth. :) |
| 13:15.37 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously anybody who buys or uses an iPod is an idiot. |
| 13:15.44 | lcuk_3 | i know - the missus has a mini and whilst it sure looks good i wouldnt have one myself |
| 13:15.51 | lcuk_3 | :O |
| 13:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | At least according to Mr. Cptnodegard. |
| 13:16.07 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 13:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't have any need for a device like that. |
| 13:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | I can't stand wearing headphones in public places |
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| 13:16.48 | Cptnodegard | my ecperience is that fanboys are people who havent directly compared stuff |
| 13:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | and otherwise I'm either in my car with CDs or at home with my rig. |
| 13:16.51 | lcuk_3 | you just use your n800 on your shoulder like a boombox |
| 13:16.54 | Cptnodegard | thats why i hate ipod, because i have :p |
| 13:17.27 | Cptnodegard | anyways i love the internal speakers on the n800 so much i use those instead,a mp3 player isnt much to have on the side. |
| 13:17.35 | lcuk_3 | in car ipod connect = your entire library, home speakers = your library, mobile walking headphones = your library. ipod owns for the general user |
| 13:17.37 | Cptnodegard | n800 speakers arent tinny like ex the psp |
| 13:17.58 | GeneralAntilles | Still no iPods that'll fit my library. |
| 13:18.17 | Cptnodegard | 160GB? |
| 13:18.18 | lcuk_3 | so have you got it all on your n800? |
| 13:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | 220GB right now |
| 13:18.48 | lcuk_3 | well you *could* delete the britney stuff :P |
| 13:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | 'course not, lcuk_3. |
| 13:18.51 | Cptnodegard | n800 can theoretically take 96 |
| 13:18.59 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 13:19.01 | Cptnodegard | 2x 32 sdhc and a 32 gb usb stick |
| 13:19.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:19.09 | Cptnodegard | so only 124 to go :p |
| 13:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | Just use an external HD if you're gonna put as tick on it. . . . |
| 13:19.23 | lcuk_3 | cpt - cant you get a battery powered hub and operate multiple usb sticks? |
| 13:19.49 | johnx | better, yet, you can chain hubs |
| 13:19.53 | lcuk_3 | sod it - just take your desktop and car battery with you |
| 13:19.59 | Cptnodegard | lcuk_3 - technically you can :D |
| 13:20.02 | Cptnodegard | and BT |
| 13:20.14 | lcuk_3 | and a long network cable |
| 13:20.17 | johnx | This is what makes me want a personal server |
| 13:20.38 | Cptnodegard | i have a working USB battery device, also works with the ca100 for charging n800 |
| 13:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've got mediaserv set up on a server at my parent's house. |
| 13:20.46 | GeneralAntilles | Massive upstream |
| 13:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | Enough to stream full-quality movies. |
| 13:21.09 | johnx | big drive, hostap (aka wifi ap), 3G, maybe bluetooth, and a big, big battery |
| 13:21.21 | lcuk_3 | gen - speaking of usb - my keyboard foobared last night and wouldnt operate - i mashed the keyss and 810 rebooted (total crash) and then it worked again |
| 13:21.53 | pupnik_ | how much storage space does youtube have? |
| 13:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | A lot? |
| 13:22.07 | lcuk_3 | plenty but the bitrate is awful |
| 13:22.29 | johnx | and I keep having problems using youtube when I'm not connected to the internet :P |
| 13:22.33 | lcuk_3 | how much storage does piratebay have? |
| 13:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently they store the videos on the servers in the same format they were uploaded in, so it'll get a lot better once they move to "HD". |
| 13:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Very little, lcuk_3. |
| 13:22.49 | Veggen | lcuk: about nil. |
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| 13:23.19 | lcuk_3 | ok, how much remotely linked storage does piratebay provide access to? |
| 13:23.48 | GeneralAntilles | None, really. |
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| 13:24.16 | johnx | I think there is a middle ground between having a certain amount of "local cache" and a certain amount of stuff internet accesible |
| 13:24.20 | johnx | it's all about latency |
| 13:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | The moderation approach, johnx. Very smooth. :P |
| 13:24.50 | lcuk_3 | ffs @ pedants :P how much space would you need if you obtained and processed the torrents used by the piratebay servers |
| 13:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | thepiratebay? Well, since you can't actually get to most of the stuff they have, not much. :P |
| 13:25.53 | johnx | also I like to have random access or at worst sequential access |
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| 13:26.06 | johnx | bittorrent is good for isos of linux distros |
| 13:26.38 | jott | johnx: not for mounting them though :P |
| 13:26.48 | johnx | heh |
| 13:26.48 | lcuk_3 | BT is great for well seeded files. the best seeded files are also the most legit ones |
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| 13:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk_3, or the latest crappy cam of this weeks big blockbuster. |
| 13:27.36 | johnx | jott, http://btslave.sourceforge.net/ if you're interested in mounting a .torrent |
| 13:28.02 | lcuk_3 | GeneralAntilles, nahhhh things like that are always overloaded with leechers who drop things immediately after |
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| 13:29.07 | lcuk_3 | its nice to see the difference when downloading (as johnx said) a linux iso or other legit file to some popular cam |
| 13:29.58 | jott | johnx: heh nice... does this actually work? ;) |
| 13:30.14 | johnx | jott, no idea. :D |
| 13:30.15 | Cptnodegard | had to take a better pic for my own sake http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800sm.jpg |
| 13:30.47 | johnx | makes me want to go find a nice small usb keyboard and the right cables to try this |
| 13:31.25 | lcuk_3 | johnx - i wonder what the ladies think when you tell them yours is smaller than everyone elses |
| 13:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | Now it's underexposed. |
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| 13:31.49 | johnx | lcuk_3, I'll tell them it's "reverse compensation" |
| 13:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg |
| 13:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | That's smeckxier anyway. :P |
| 13:32.07 | lcuk_3 | johnx - simplest cables is a standard female-female dongle. use your nokia supplied cable and the shell command |
| 13:32.39 | johnx | I haven't seen the female-female dongle at a store actually |
| 13:32.57 | Cptnodegard | GeneralAntilles, bt kb model...? |
| 13:33.02 | johnx | and I don't have the Nokia cable because I got a compusa open box deal waaay back in March |
| 13:33.06 | Veggen | actually, any decent gadget-store with cables etc. should have them. |
| 13:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | iGo |
| 13:33.20 | Cptnodegard | ah |
| 13:33.22 | Cptnodegard | very nice |
| 13:33.45 | Veggen | I had the parts needed to access my dSLR via USB already :) |
| 13:33.49 | Cptnodegard | found some on ebay but expensive shipping |
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| 13:34.19 | johnx | I have a mini-a cable from my zaurus but could Nokia bother to use a mini-a? nooooo...that would be too easy |
| 13:34.21 | lcuk_3 | decent phone shopp stocking nokia stuff should have them |
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| 13:34.57 | lcuk_3 | nokia cable ca-101 |
| 13:35.17 | johnx | but that's just a mini-b to A, right? |
| 13:36.06 | lcuk_3 | yer believe so - do you want an automatic host mode cable? |
| 13:36.32 | johnx | I was going for something smallish, hopefully pocketable |
| 13:36.34 | lcuk_3 | (and do automatic bodged cables work with firmware upgrade) |
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| 13:37.00 | johnx | maybe one of those mini-b to A that have a built-in reel and a female-to-female |
| 13:37.11 | lcuk_3 | yer its a bit of a monster long connection |
| 13:37.14 | johnx | or someone had one that was all one piece I thought |
| 13:37.31 | johnx | or whack people :D |
| 13:37.47 | lcuk_3 | INDIANA JONES STYLE :D |
| 13:38.37 | lcuk_3 | anyway, back to the grind |
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| 13:48.22 | Veggen | hmm. the internal flash - is it damned slow? tried to select the N810 demo movie, and it seems to take forever to start... |
| 13:48.53 | Veggen | (if not, something's broken?) |
| 13:48.56 | johnx | it's slow...but it shouldn't be slow enough to be noticeable when playing a movie |
| 13:49.15 | johnx | do you have high CPU or write-to-disk going on in the background? |
| 13:49.24 | Veggen | nope, nothing. |
| 13:49.53 | Veggen | it's fresh from box, nothing started, etc. |
| 13:50.09 | johnx | that's unfortunate |
| 13:51.03 | Veggen | doesn't seem to start, video. |
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| 13:54.27 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 14:05.56 | Cptnodegard | is there some patch to make canole or media player read album art? |
| 14:06.05 | Cptnodegard | it annoys me as all my music is tagged |
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| 14:10.03 | Veggen | nope, videos doesn't start. is the internal video player broken? |
| 14:10.57 | Cptnodegard | on the n810? |
| 14:11.03 | Cptnodegard | try mplayer |
| 14:11.06 | Cptnodegard | internal one doesnt play shit |
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| 14:11.44 | Veggen | well. Internal one *should* play the included demo videos? ;) |
| 14:11.50 | czr | it should indeed |
| 14:11.51 | Cptnodegard | true :/ |
| 14:12.02 | Cptnodegard | install that process info app aned see if something is stealing power |
| 14:12.05 | Cptnodegard | reboot |
| 14:12.23 | Veggen | mm, ok. haven't rebooted since configuring. |
| 14:12.37 | Cptnodegard | that might be it |
| 14:12.55 | Cptnodegard | does the media player even start? |
| 14:13.12 | Veggen | media player starts, video doesn't. |
| 14:13.20 | Cptnodegard | ah |
| 14:13.42 | czr | alterego, meaning? |
| 14:13.44 | czr | and hi :-) |
| 14:14.18 | alterego | czr, being able to run hildon desktop. |
| 14:14.24 | alterego | And hello to you too. :P |
| 14:14.31 | Blafasel | You know the famous line: Linux, where rebooting is for new hardware only. |
| 14:14.38 | Blafasel | Well - your device _is_ new, right? ;) |
| 14:14.44 | czr | hah |
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| 14:23.27 | Cptnodegard | 63 bucks shiopped for igo |
| 14:23.29 | Cptnodegard | :/ |
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| 14:46.45 | Veggen | hmm. btw, reboot worked. |
| 14:47.21 | Cptnodegard | ^^ |
| 14:48.24 | Veggen | not sure if logging off/on (aka the off-button) would have worked, I decided to do it hard by removing battery ;) |
| 14:50.21 | timely | how do i install flash9 on 10.3.9? :( |
| 14:51.25 | |tbb| | :...( i lost my stylus |
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| 14:51.48 | timely | oh nice, finder crashed |
| 14:51.55 | bmidgley | |tbb| the box has two when you buy it, eh? |
| 14:52.02 | czr | Veggen, weird, but good that it fixed it. |
| 14:52.15 | timely | oops, wrong window |
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| 14:54.44 | Veggen | czr: It does show that I come from a Linux world, not thinking of that as first solution ;) |
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| 14:55.38 | czr | Veggen, indeed :-) |
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| 15:00.04 | MagicFab | What security features (encryption of data, or just password protecion of the devices) are there in the n8x0 ? I can't find any reference to that. |
| 15:01.09 | |tbb| | bmidgley: i know but if that is lost then? maybe buying a n900 then ;) |
| 15:01.26 | Veggen | there is possibility of a security code? cell phone style. |
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| 15:06.25 | michele_ | yes |
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| 15:08.49 | Zetx | I'm a bit confused on bluetooth headsets. I hear that when using mplayer, the sound is kinda choppy, but is this true for VOIP and can I use the headset's mic to talk (for VOIP)? |
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| 15:12.48 | jsmith | Zetx: I don't know anything about mplayer, but I've used my little Jabra BT-150 for VoIP, and it worked just fine |
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| 15:13.28 | ||cw | Zetx: I think the choppiness depends on the codec and bitrate |
| 15:13.34 | kulve | I tried using my jabra but I couldn't here anything. It works ok with the media player |
| 15:13.47 | kulve | s,here,hear, |
| 15:14.09 | kulve | "ok" as in, I can hear the choppy playback |
| 15:14.28 | Zetx | Alright. I suppose it's a work in progress, then >_> |
| 15:15.23 | kulve | jsmith: did you set up something for the VOIP or did it just work? |
| 15:15.37 | Zetx | I've been considering the EEE and the n800, and will probably end up getting the n800 |
| 15:16.14 | jsmith | kulve: It just worked. |
| 15:16.29 | jsmith | kulve: This was on my shiny new n810... your mileage may vary |
| 15:16.31 | kulve | Zetx: can you upgrade the eee somehow? Or add apps there? Or login with ssh as root? |
| 15:16.40 | kulve | jsmith: n810 here too |
| 15:16.55 | kulve | I need to test it again.. |
| 15:17.14 | pupnik_ | any OS2008 people here got a working synergy yet? |
| 15:18.05 | ||cw | kulve: yes, the Eee is fully hackable, there's even an unofficial Ubuntu based distro for it |
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| 15:18.30 | kulve | ||cw: that's good to here. I think I saw some official(?) installation and it was pretty simple |
| 15:18.37 | kulve | s,here,hear, again |
| 15:18.40 | Zetx | kulve: personally wouldn't want to upgrade the EEE's internal hardware myself since I have no soldering experience ^^; |
| 15:18.56 | kulve | Zetx: I was talking about the sw :) |
| 15:18.59 | ||cw | Zetx: if you get an Eee, go for the 4G, it has a mini-PCIe socket inside that the 2G doesn't have |
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| 15:19.43 | ||cw | there's even an 8GB SSD card for it |
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| 15:20.30 | ||cw | the 8G uses the mini-PCIe for the storage, with no on-board flash |
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| 15:23.48 | Veggen | mm, I think I'll have to get an Eee too ;) (I'm a gadget-maniac, especially if it runs free OSes) |
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| 15:24.10 | Veggen | but, I think I'll wait for the reputed norwegian launch. |
| 15:24.28 | kulve | I think it's too small for a laptop and too big to be carried around. N810 is better :) |
| 15:24.37 | kulve | depends highly on the needs, ofc |
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| 15:25.35 | Veggen | well. It's small enough that it's not significantly extra space/weight in a backpack you already drag around? |
| 15:26.11 | Veggen | of course, tablets are better that way. But it'll depend on the features you need. |
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| 15:27.50 | Zetx | some of my cons for the EEE was that the keyboard may be too small for me, so I could get another keyboard, but that'd defeat the whole small/portable thing... and the n800 would be smaller, even if I needed a BT keyboard |
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| 15:30.09 | doc|home | I'd buy a 10inch EEE |
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| 15:34.54 | nuragico | hi, is there sqlite3 for maemo 2008 |
| 15:35.30 | michele_ | anybody tried to build MokoFingerScroll on Maemo? |
| 15:35.44 | nuragico | where can i found the sqlite3 repository |
| 15:36.01 | michele_ | that would be nice and would hopefully put an end to thousands of ad-hoc implementations... |
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| 15:38.14 | ||cw | Zetx: I see the Eee fitting a different market segment that then nokias. if the nokias were x86 and had supported USB host controlers and more RAM, then maybe.... |
| 15:39.08 | Veggen | I can lug the n800 to a pub in my pocket. I would probably not do that with an Eee, but I can see it living in my backpack. |
| 15:39.33 | melmoth | nuragico: there is sqlite3 for maemo 2008. |
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| 15:40.40 | melmoth | nuragico: i do not know where the repo is, but you can apt-get source it. |
| 15:40.41 | Dist | Even in repository.maemo.org.. |
| 15:40.55 | Dist | (not only in "repostory" or stage) |
| 15:41.06 | pskr | need help! in usb networking. How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support? |
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| 15:41.27 | ccooke | Veggen: personally, I've got a 17" laptop I use for "heavy" work (and a few games). Anything smaller has to compete - either it needs to be small enough (the n810) to be used anywhere or comfortable enough (*not* the Eee) to replace the 17" monster. |
| 15:41.55 | ccooke | there's no way I'd want to carry *three* computers around all the time :-) |
| 15:42.18 | Veggen | ccooke: I'm a bicycle man. Though laziness and winter has made me put away the bike for a while now. |
| 15:42.51 | Veggen | ccooke: weight on what I drag to work *is* an issue on bicycle :) I guess I could drag an Eee back and forth every day. |
| 15:43.01 | ccooke | Veggen: ah ha. |
| 15:44.00 | Veggen | *sigh* - continuity is needed to withstand winter for bicycling, this year I broke in late september or so. Last year, not even well sub-zero, snow and ice could stop me. |
| 15:44.34 | glass | lacking options is what you need |
| 15:44.44 | glass | it's easy to use the bike if it's the only choice |
| 15:45.01 | Veggen | glass: true. |
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| 15:45.56 | pskr | Help! anybody? How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support? |
| 15:46.07 | michele_ | glass: wish I could |
| 15:46.19 | michele_ | glass: I have a 30 minutes commute by car... |
| 15:46.28 | pskr | I am trying to setup my N800 so I can debug it. |
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| 15:48.57 | nuragico | i add repository.maemo.org but then i don't found sqlite3 |
| 15:49.40 | zoran | add more repos |
| 15:49.58 | pskr | I did lsmod | grep usbnet and did not get any results. How do I enable usbnet support? |
| 15:50.17 | melmoth | comes frome here: |
| 15:50.18 | melmoth | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 15:50.18 | melmoth | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free |
| 15:50.26 | zoran | lsmod is for loaded kernel modules |
| 15:50.46 | zoran | maybe your option is compiled into the kernel itself |
| 15:50.57 | michele_ | uh... #openmoko has more users than #maemo... how unexpected |
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| 15:51.21 | melmoth | library package name is libsqlite3-0 |
| 15:51.25 | zoran | pskr, what exactly do you want to do? |
| 15:51.53 | melmoth | i do not have the "sqlite" binary tool on scratchboxn but it works with the debian based sqlite tool as long as it is v3, so, who cares ? |
| 15:51.57 | Lynoure | michele_: not really: I think everyone who uses openmoko know about openmoko, but most N800 users just use it, unaware of what maemo is |
| 15:51.58 | pskr | zoran: I want to debug applications on N800 |
| 15:52.17 | pskr | zoran:using gdb from linux PC. |
| 15:52.19 | zoran | huh, debugger could be tricky and memory consuming |
| 15:52.28 | zoran | ah, on pc |
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| 15:53.28 | pskr | zoran: To do that, I need to setup usb networking. isn't it? |
| 15:53.43 | michele_ | Lynoure: good point |
| 15:54.01 | zoran | pskr, or wifi |
| 15:54.02 | sishkebab | hi folks, is there any known reason why i cannot mount my external card in linux? |
| 15:54.50 | zoran | pskr, you have dump file? |
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| 15:55.30 | Zic | hi o/ |
| 15:55.39 | alterego | Hmm, maemo repo is down :/ |
| 15:56.48 | pskr | zoran: Aah..I don't know. How to check it? My app crashed with segmentation fault. |
| 15:57.15 | zoran | it is arm, your debugger probably i386 |
| 15:57.24 | zoran | no match, I think |
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| 15:57.51 | jott | is there actually a gconf setting (or something else) to disable the "completion bar" on the n810 (that pops up when you start typing) |
| 15:57.55 | pskr | In scratchbox, I can select the ARM target and debug, I suppose. |
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| 15:58.05 | zoran | why not |
| 15:58.17 | zoran | I don't have scratchbox |
| 15:58.26 | zoran | you could always try |
| 15:58.32 | zoran | no harm |
| 15:58.41 | pskr | zoran: do you know where in the device the core dump files are dumped? |
| 15:59.27 | zoran | pskr, I thonk in working directory |
| 15:59.51 | zoran | copy it to pc first, I think |
| 16:02.20 | jott | ah got it disabled :) |
| 16:03.02 | Spakman | anyone know where I can get some free icons for use in my Maemo app? I'd like a trash can and a refresh icon and would like to use "standard-ish" ones if possible. |
| 16:04.38 | pskr | zoran: I could not find the dump. Any ideas? |
| 16:04.54 | zoran | core.something |
| 16:06.03 | dpb_ | What's a good price to ask for a used Nokia 770? |
| 16:06.41 | doc|home | $5 |
| 16:06.44 | doc|home | want to sell? |
| 16:07.09 | Nermal | um.. $80 - $100 ? |
| 16:07.22 | Nermal | or is that too much |
| 16:07.25 | Nermal | I don't do $ well |
| 16:07.30 | dragorn | You can get them new for around $120-$130, so scale accordingly |
| 16:08.12 | nelson | michele_: #openmoko has more promise than #maemo, and less meat. |
| 16:08.39 | pskr | zoran: I can't find it. Anyway thanks for the idea. So, you think I need to recompile the kernel to enable usbnet. Any pointers on how to do that? |
| 16:08.57 | zoran | pskr, probably not |
| 16:09.14 | zoran | people use host usb |
| 16:09.48 | zoran | what find for "core*" shoes? |
| 16:10.01 | zoran | *shows |
| 16:10.53 | nelson | I hate to look a gift n810 discount in the mouth, but this one is getting a little long in the tooth. |
| 16:11.02 | pskr | nothing. I searched in my home dir and /media (thinking it might dump in mmc1/2). Probably I need to enable something to generate core dump |
| 16:11.29 | zoran | maybe no seg fault |
| 16:11.32 | michele_ | nelson: that's why I didn't expect that. ITs are actual, released "consumer" devices. OM phones aren't anywhere near that yet |
| 16:11.55 | zoran | or you set coredumpsize to 0 |
| 16:12.16 | dhd | ulimit -c unlimited? |
| 16:12.17 | Zetx | hmm, but consumers don't really use irc ;) |
| 16:13.03 | michele_ | yes, yes, but consumer means more exposure, which means more users, which means (usually) more people willing to hack stuff |
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| 16:13.32 | Zetx | ah, you have a point ^^ |
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| 16:13.37 | michele_ | this is one of the reasons I bough the 810: because I knew there'd be people hacking on it |
| 16:13.41 | nelson | michele_: I think people are excited about being able to run their own code on their phone. |
| 16:13.59 | pskr | zoran: When I run my application from command line, it clearly says "Segmentation fault". How to change coredumpsize? |
| 16:14.21 | mardi_ | ls |
| 16:14.22 | jsmith | pskr: Got to the commandline, and type "ulimit -c unlimited", then run your program |
| 16:14.22 | nelson | michele_: unfortunately, OpenEmbedded is hard to turn into a stable system. |
| 16:15.03 | zoran | pskr, as I know core dump is set on on linux and bsd |
| 16:15.07 | nelson | The PokyLinux.org folks are proving that OE *can* be tamed, but it's not a trivial task. |
| 16:15.30 | zoran | maybe the size of dump is too high and the system stops the writting |
| 16:15.39 | zoran | dunno |
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| 16:16.05 | zoran | did you include any line with warning messages |
| 16:16.19 | michele_ | nelson: poky is by o-hand right? so I think they've been hired to do that |
| 16:16.22 | florian | nelson: How does that relate to the status of the OM device? |
| 16:16.30 | zoran | or set exit to something aside 0 |
| 16:16.47 | pskr | jsmith:thanks. That did not work either. No core dumps are generated. I searched in my home dir, /media |
| 16:17.11 | pskr | zoran: no. |
| 16:17.32 | nelson | florian: I've been importing OM .bb files into PokyLinux, and .... they've proven to be buggy. |
| 16:17.38 | zoran | hm, c? |
| 16:17.56 | nelson | florian: plus you've got the chaos of openmoko binary releases. |
| 16:18.41 | florian | nelson: well.. but that's not the major problem of OM. OE would be a bad excuse. |
| 16:19.15 | nelson | florian: oh, no, OE *is* the most visible problem of OM. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is. |
| 16:19.16 | florian | nelson: OE was used for a stable consumer device the first time in 2004. |
| 16:19.52 | florian | nelson: that's a bad excuse, just install an image and look at the sources. |
| 16:19.56 | nelson | florian: it's possible to use OE to produce the same build twice in a row, but the most visible OE project doesn't do that. |
| 16:20.20 | pskr | zoran: I did not get ur question. sorry |
| 16:20.39 | florian | nelson: that's true... but this does not make it the major problem - sorry. |
| 16:20.43 | nelson | (which is michele_ 's point -- that OM has a lot of interest -- more than maemo) |
| 16:20.50 | zoran | pskr, C language? |
| 16:21.31 | nelson | florian: from the point of someone trying to build software to run on OM, OE is its major flaw. |
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| 16:22.51 | florian | nelson: hum well, grab the toolchain and build your software. |
| 16:23.20 | nelson | florian: I've done that. OM doesn't build twice the same way .... and often it doesn't build at all. |
| 16:23.23 | czr | better yet, set terminal to raw mode and cat > new-killer-app ! |
| 16:24.37 | nelson | czr: hmph. I actually *have* keyed code into a machine via the front panel. |
| 16:24.49 | czr | nelson, so? :-) |
| 16:24.58 | czr | I used to write 8085 with hex-keypad |
| 16:25.10 | czr | it was actually fun. CD to rule them all! |
| 16:25.26 | czr | hmm. or was it C3.. bleh. |
| 16:25.54 | nelson | czr: binary toggle switches >> hex-keypad |
| 16:25.58 | pskr | zoran: Yes. C++ & C |
| 16:26.04 | czr | nelson, ok ok, you win :-) |
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| 16:26.10 | nelson | C3 is ret |
| 16:26.43 | czr | yeah. that's what I meant at least. been ages since I've done any 85 though |
| 16:26.46 | LoCusF | how can I perform a version lock in n8x0? |
| 16:26.49 | zoran | pskr ,what if you compile it on i386; could you debug it first on pc? |
| 16:26.59 | LoCusF | ie. if I wanna keep a specific version of a package |
| 16:27.15 | nelson | czr: ahhhhh, those were the old days, when programmers had hair. |
| 16:27.30 | nelson | czr: actually, the first computers were women. |
| 16:27.39 | czr | heh |
| 16:27.53 | nelson | czr: I have a dictionary which defines "computer" as "a person who computes". |
| 16:27.54 | nelson | :-) |
| 16:27.57 | czr | applying endless hotfixes and it still wouldn't work properly |
| 16:28.01 | czr | ah, those computers :-) |
| 16:28.07 | czr | yeah.. most of them were women |
| 16:28.25 | czr | the finnish computer is 'tietokone' where tieto = knowledge, kone = machine. |
| 16:28.32 | czr | I think it's pretty ironic. |
| 16:29.00 | czr | tieto also might be information, but that's besides the point. |
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| 16:33.29 | michele_ | I read people on ITT enabling "virtual memory" ie. swap is going to improve performance, but wouldn't that kill the flash card? |
| 16:33.58 | zoran | michelle_, it could not last forever anyway |
| 16:33.59 | |tbb| | how can i read data from a file which is allready in use, is that possible? |
| 16:34.19 | michele_ | zoran: yes, but it'd get much more writes that way |
| 16:34.19 | zoran | michelle_, swap partition is even better |
| 16:34.20 | czr | |tbb|, define 'in use' |
| 16:34.31 | nelson | michele_: it depends on how often you write, and exactly what you write. |
| 16:34.35 | zoran | michelle_, it is what you want |
| 16:34.42 | |tbb| | like myappliction -logdata >> mylogfile.log |
| 16:34.52 | czr | |tbb|, sure you can read it |
| 16:34.55 | michele_ | nelson: I don't get to decide what gets written on the swap area |
| 16:35.00 | nelson | michele_: if you swap a long-running process off to memory, and it doesn't change its "in-memory" data much or at all, then flash swapping can work fine. |
| 16:35.02 | czr | |tbb|, tail -f mylogfile.log for example |
| 16:35.20 | nelson | michele_: it seriously depends on how the application uses memory. |
| 16:35.32 | zoran | smaller memory footprint, less writting |
| 16:35.51 | pskr | zoran:it runs fine on pc.thats why i want to debug on n800 |
| 16:35.52 | zoran | less changes, less writting |
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| 16:36.02 | michele_ | nelson: yes, I can see this. but it's not predictable |
| 16:36.03 | |tbb| | czr, cat mylogfile wont work, if the application writes data on the fly? |
| 16:36.16 | czr | |tbb|, it works as well |
| 16:36.20 | michele_ | so, do all of you have swap on? |
| 16:36.26 | zoran | pskr, maybe some arm specifics? |
| 16:36.41 | pskr | i guess so |
| 16:36.49 | nelson | michele_: I'm not swapping, no. |
| 16:37.02 | zoran | command line, or graphical? |
| 16:37.08 | |tbb| | btw, could it be a problem if i set a & after the command? |
| 16:37.23 | zoran | goes in the background |
| 16:37.24 | czr | |tbb|, no? add it after the redirection: >> foobar & |
| 16:37.41 | |tbb| | than i got a problem which i dont know |
| 16:37.43 | czr | if you close the terminal where you start the program though, it will be killed |
| 16:38.18 | alterego | Or networking isn't working in my scratchbox environment ;) |
| 16:38.39 | mgedmin | if the card dies, I figure I can get another one |
| 16:39.10 | zoran | ro buy new device |
| 16:39.14 | mgedmin | on the plus side, opening two browser windows doesn't kill the browser |
| 16:39.26 | |tbb| | how can i run the application after closing terminal? |
| 16:39.29 | mgedmin | yeah, every new nokia device uses a different card standard :/ |
| 16:39.49 | czr | |tbb|, make it daemonize |
| 16:40.08 | czr | |tbb|, man daemon |
| 16:40.14 | zoran | mgedmin, it is the very core of real fun |
| 16:40.26 | czr | |tbb|, then you don't need to start it with &, but you can't really use >> either. |
| 16:40.28 | zoran | to be suprised all the time |
| 16:40.36 | czr | |tbb|, so your program needs to write the logfile directly. not via stdout |
| 16:40.56 | czr | or rather, it can use STDOUT, but the stream must be connected to a file, not the terminal |
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| 16:41.37 | zoran | folks, some1 uses ssmtp or msmtp on any device, including pc? |
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| 16:59.26 | alterego | Anyone know where that link is on setting up networking properly in scratchbox? |
| 17:03.31 | Jaffa | Should just need /etc/resolv.conf futzing within sb |
| 17:03.46 | nuragico | melmoth: thanks, bye bye |
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| 17:07.33 | alterego | Jaffa, yeah. But what do I set it to :/ |
| 17:07.33 | alterego | My setup isn't exactly standard .. |
| 17:08.23 | czr | alterego, use the same DNS server as your main host |
| 17:08.30 | czr | or run dnsmasq on the real host, and use 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:08.34 | czr | that's what I do |
| 17:08.43 | czr | that way sb works wherever I am (dhcp) |
| 17:08.43 | alterego | I'm using dnsmasq .. |
| 17:08.52 | czr | so use 127.0.0.1 then |
| 17:08.53 | alterego | 127.0.0.1 didn't work :/ |
| 17:09.07 | czr | well, check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as well as the per-target ones |
| 17:09.26 | alterego | Aha! |
| 17:10.04 | czr | yeah, it's "interesting" |
| 17:10.22 | czr | sb tools use the resolv.conf under sbox, the per target tools use the target ones. |
| 17:10.26 | czr | logical, yes? :-) |
| 17:10.59 | alterego | Hmm, wget doesn't pick up google. |
| 17:11.12 | czr | did you fix both? |
| 17:11.22 | czr | if so, also check nsswitch.conf in all those locations |
| 17:11.35 | czr | hosts: files dns (no other entries allowed in any of those) |
| 17:13.44 | alterego | Fixed. |
| 17:13.54 | alterego | Needed to be my router. |
| 17:14.08 | czr | hmm. weird. |
| 17:15.37 | alterego | Well, it's not exactly a generic setup. |
| 17:17.09 | alterego | My SDK is installed in a hardware virtualized environment using the KVM modules. It's connected to the hardware host node via an ethernet bridge to a dummy network adapter and the host NAT's connections through an ethernet to wireless bridge. Which then talks to by Wireless router, which is connected to a ADSL router. |
| 17:17.45 | alterego | But it all works now :) |
| 17:17.47 | michele_ | man that's crazy :) |
| 17:17.48 | alterego | So I'm happy. |
| 17:17.56 | czr | ah. the NAT doesn't nat to your localhost? |
| 17:18.10 | czr | anyhow, interesting setup. |
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| 17:18.49 | alterego | I tried getting the virtual environments to appear on the real ethernet network. But bridging eth0 failed because of my ethernet to wireless bridge. |
| 17:18.50 | melmoth | alterego: same here (except xen)..All works, except....ftp via gnome-vfs :) |
| 17:19.14 | alterego | Though, I think I know what went wrong there. The MAC address of the virtualized host isn't in the allowed MAC addresses of my wireless router ;) |
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| 17:19.43 | alterego | So I'll probably try and get that working at some point. |
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| 17:25.23 | alterego | melmoth, I chose KVM because I didn't have to play around with the kernel. |
| 17:25.44 | alterego | Just a simple `modprobe kvm_intel` and I'm away ^_^ |
| 17:27.17 | alterego | Though I hear Xen is a little bit faster. |
| 17:28.17 | _berto_ | I don't know Xen, but kvm is very fast |
| 17:28.22 | melmoth | i never try kvm. |
| 17:28.22 | czr | I just used vmware because I'm lazy |
| 17:28.39 | melmoth | i juste used xen because i m lazy :) |
| 17:28.49 | _berto_ | I did some tests some months ago -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2007/06/27/comparing-virtualization-software-performance-qemu-vs-uml-vs-kvm/ |
| 17:28.59 | _berto_ | now kvm supports smp as well, but I haven't tested it much |
| 17:30.08 | alterego | _berto_, so I should be able to use my dual core across into the hvm's too? |
| 17:30.10 | alterego | That's awesome. |
| 17:30.27 | _berto_ | yes, with recent versions |
| 17:30.27 | _berto_ | :) |
| 17:30.32 | alterego | Nice. |
| 17:30.33 | _berto_ | at least it doesn't crash anymore |
| 17:30.36 | alterego | I'll definitely look into that. |
| 17:30.40 | _berto_ | but I haven't tested its speed |
| 17:30.43 | alterego | Sure. |
| 17:30.52 | alterego | Would be great for compilations me thinks ;) |
| 17:30.54 | _berto_ | I guess that it just works |
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| 17:31.00 | _berto_ | indeed |
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| 17:31.55 | czr | _berto_, interesting page |
| 17:31.56 | alterego | I love this KVM stuff though, I've been deploying KVM onto a few blade servers for a client. |
| 17:32.23 | czr | is there a good arch doc on kvm anywhere? |
| 17:32.30 | _berto_ | czr: it's not a great test, I just compiled the kernel, but it gives an idea of its performance |
| 17:32.40 | czr | _berto_, yeah, I noticed. none-the-less |
| 17:33.05 | alterego | Is KQEMU similar to KVM? |
| 17:33.09 | alterego | Or is it something different? |
| 17:33.11 | _berto_ | it's slower |
| 17:33.21 | _berto_ | you need support from your cpu to use KVM |
| 17:33.26 | _berto_ | but not for kqemu |
| 17:33.30 | alterego | Ah, cool. |
| 17:33.40 | alterego | That's really impressive. |
| 17:33.41 | _berto_ | if you have a core 2 you probably can use KVM |
| 17:33.47 | czr | how are block/network things exported to a kvm vm? |
| 17:33.56 | czr | I mean, what's the technology |
| 17:34.02 | alterego | _berto_, I know all about the hyperviser requirement ;) |
| 17:34.06 | _berto_ | just like qemu |
| 17:34.26 | alterego | Yeah, KVM is essentially identical to using qemu, it's just it's a lot quicker. |
| 17:34.38 | czr | ah. so the hw is emulated on vm-side? |
| 17:34.48 | alterego | So, networking and devices are all handled in the same way as qemu guests normally do it. |
| 17:34.52 | czr | which drivers do you use on vm side? |
| 17:34.53 | alterego | No, |
| 17:35.02 | alterego | Oh wait, yes. ;) |
| 17:35.06 | czr | yeah. |
| 17:35.19 | czr | so I guess xen would be quicker for I/O stuff |
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| 17:37.04 | alterego | Probably, I'm not familiar with Xen at all. I may play with it at some point. But I'm really happy with how kvm/qemu does things for now. |
| 17:37.11 | _berto_ | if you don't want emulation at all |
| 17:37.20 | _berto_ | you could use something like linux-vserver |
| 17:37.26 | czr | well, I'd like the I/O model of Xen coupled with VT |
| 17:37.30 | _berto_ | it runs the same kernel |
| 17:37.35 | czr | sure. but that's not the issue |
| 17:37.39 | alterego | Then you can't use other OS' .. |
| 17:37.41 | czr | I have a non-linux custom OS as the VM |
| 17:37.49 | czr | or rather, "OS" |
| 17:37.52 | _berto_ | :) |
| 17:38.07 | czr | the xen i/o model on the VM side is very nice. very nice indeed. |
| 17:38.09 | alterego | Which makes using kvm/xen pointless :P |
| 17:38.15 | czr | no need for old hw emulation etc. |
| 17:38.17 | alterego | I'll have to look at it. |
| 17:38.38 | alterego | I was tempted to work for Xen Source .. |
| 17:38.51 | czr | you were? |
| 17:38.55 | czr | oh, why not? :-) |
| 17:39.23 | alterego | I decided I liked being a contractor too much ;) |
| 17:39.35 | czr | heh, I know that feeling.. :-) |
| 17:39.43 | czr | replied to one recruitment email just today.. |
| 17:39.47 | alterego | The diversity of work keeps me a lot happier. |
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| 17:41.33 | alterego | czr, do you still have that maemo sdk kernel module howto handy? |
| 17:42.08 | czr | alterego, sure, although it's for bora |
| 17:42.12 | czr | I haven't updated it for chinook |
| 17:42.14 | alterego | Oh, |
| 17:42.22 | alterego | Should be pretty similar though I'd imagine. |
| 17:42.31 | alterego | May I? :) |
| 17:42.32 | czr | I could probably update it |
| 17:42.39 | czr | or you can use it and report back :-) |
| 17:42.41 | czr | and I'll update it |
| 17:42.44 | alterego | Well, I'll let you know if I crash and burn ;) |
| 17:42.44 | czr | sure.. it's public |
| 17:42.53 | alterego | Got a link? |
| 17:42.53 | czr | google for 'koltsoff N800 kernel module' |
| 17:42.55 | czr | should find it |
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| 17:43.14 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ |
| 17:43.14 | alterego | thanks |
| 17:43.23 | alterego | Yeah, got it :P |
| 17:43.50 | alterego | I'm gonna do an experiment building the driver for a USB wireless dongle. |
| 17:44.00 | czr | download the driver as well, it should work on the n810 kernel |
| 17:44.10 | czr | although, if the driver doesn't build, I'd be interested in hearing that as well. |
| 17:44.22 | czr | it's just a stupid hello world module anyway |
| 17:44.43 | truent | alterego, with host mode? ;) |
| 17:45.43 | alterego | host mode? |
| 17:45.58 | alterego | I want promisc :P |
| 17:46.23 | alterego | Though, host mode would be useful for my laptop. |
| 17:46.28 | truent | i think the n800 with stock drivers doesnt provide power for usb devices |
| 17:46.33 | alterego | Having both connected to the internet through the same phone. |
| 17:46.41 | alterego | It does. |
| 17:46.47 | alterego | OS2008 allows for USB OTF. |
| 17:46.51 | alterego | ~OTG host mode. |
| 17:46.58 | truent | yeah |
| 17:47.08 | truent | but people still have to hack in a power supply no? |
| 17:47.09 | alterego | But the power certainly wont be enough. I'll have to use my powered hub. |
| 17:47.14 | truent | k |
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| 17:47.38 | truent | some guy already did that.. dont think he wrote a driver, but he got a usb dongle to work.. |
| 17:47.39 | alterego | Not for everything, some USB keyboards work without extra power, as do all of the card readers I've tested. |
| 17:48.00 | alterego | And USB memory sticks. |
| 17:48.05 | alterego | Even my digital camera :) |
| 17:48.08 | truent | for WEP cracking.. usb wifi to inject packets, the built in wifi to record |
| 17:48.34 | alterego | Well, I'm not doing anything that invasive. |
| 17:48.42 | alterego | This is for network debugging. |
| 17:49.31 | truent | heh |
| 17:49.43 | truent | screw debugging, promiscuous mode is good period. |
| 17:49.45 | truent | ;p |
| 17:49.54 | truent | if somethings avail i want inet heh |
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| 17:51.13 | alterego | Well, if it's legal in your country go for it :P |
| 17:52.27 | truent | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=111781&postcount=8 |
| 17:52.45 | truent | theres his instructions, may help for reference |
| 17:53.20 | alterego | Thanks :) |
| 17:53.21 | czr | hmm. I may need to buy a new computer for virtualization stuff.. argh. |
| 17:53.41 | alterego | Yes, you need "VT extensions". |
| 17:53.48 | czr | well, I already have on with VT |
| 17:53.52 | czr | VT-x to be precise |
| 17:53.56 | alterego | The newest P4's have it as well as a lot of C2D chips. |
| 17:54.02 | czr | but I'd rather not touch it too much |
| 17:54.04 | alterego | All AMD X2's and above have it. |
| 17:54.11 | czr | oh, I know. |
| 17:54.26 | czr | that's not the issue. I'm just too lazy to risk anything going fubar on the existing VT machine |
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| 17:55.33 | alterego | Ah |
| 17:55.36 | alterego | What OS are you running? |
| 17:56.04 | czr | linux as host, linuxen, custom, windowsen as guests |
| 17:56.14 | alterego | Yeah, I meant what Linux as host :P |
| 17:56.21 | czr | ubuntu atm. |
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| 17:56.48 | alterego | Ubuntu + KVM is super easy. Just `sudo apt-get install kvm` then `sudo modprobe kvm_intel` or kvm_amd. |
| 17:56.50 | alterego | And you're off. |
| 17:57.02 | czr | since which release? |
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| 17:57.12 | alterego | Well, I'm using 7.10 |
| 17:57.14 | czr | but I'm thinking of xen as well |
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| 17:57.25 | czr | bleh, I could do it really. just too lazy :-) |
| 17:57.25 | alterego | Yes, Xen requires a kernel build. |
| 17:57.32 | alterego | :) |
| 17:57.33 | czr | yes I know, I've used it before |
| 17:57.35 | alterego | Lazy bugger. |
| 17:58.02 | alterego | Well, firstly. There's no 'rx-34.kernel-headers' package. |
| 17:58.08 | czr | how suprising. |
| 17:58.12 | alterego | It appears that 'linux-kernel-headers' are installed. |
| 17:58.13 | czr | is there anything with headers? |
| 17:58.23 | czr | hmm. maybe I should startup the VM as well, give me a sec |
| 17:58.24 | _berto_ | qemu/kvm is the easiest one to set up |
| 17:58.27 | _berto_ | even the network is trivial |
| 17:58.28 | _berto_ | :) |
| 17:58.38 | alterego | _berto_, indeed. :) I'm well chuffed. |
| 17:58.49 | czr | vmware is way easier imho :-) |
| 17:58.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:59.02 | alterego | Only because it's already running :P |
| 17:59.13 | alterego | kvm is easier than VMWare IMO :P |
| 17:59.13 | _berto_ | last time I checked you needed a kernel module to have network in vmware |
| 17:59.19 | czr | er? nah, it has a simple GUI |
| 17:59.22 | _berto_ | but that was many years ago |
| 17:59.23 | _berto_ | :) |
| 17:59.25 | czr | _berto_, no you don't |
| 17:59.35 | alterego | kvm -m 512 hd_image.img |
| 17:59.40 | alterego | That's a simple GUI :P |
| 17:59.52 | _berto_ | indeed |
| 17:59.52 | czr | amd pcnet32 or e1000 are emulated. you _can_ build a vmnet driver if you wish (bypasses the emulation) |
| 18:00.06 | alterego | We need that for KVM .. |
| 18:00.10 | czr | well, I meant for building machines. I don't really use the GUI for anything else |
| 18:00.13 | alterego | That would be cool. |
| 18:00.24 | alterego | To build a machine. |
| 18:00.36 | alterego | qemu-img create -f qcow2 hd_image.img 40G |
| 18:00.39 | _berto_ | I mean, to have network between the host and the virtual machine |
| 18:00.45 | _berto_ | you used to need a special interface |
| 18:01.02 | _berto_ | vmnet0 |
| 18:01.04 | _berto_ | iirc |
| 18:01.24 | czr | yar.. where is my chinook installation.. |
| 18:02.03 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 18:02.07 | alterego | I suck at this. |
| 18:02.17 | alterego | Where should I point KLIB and LLIB_BUILD? |
| 18:02.21 | czr | haha. it's an old version of the VM. one before installing the SDK and SBOX |
| 18:02.39 | czr | alterego, what are you building? |
| 18:03.02 | alterego | compat-wireless |
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| 18:03.17 | czr | did you try building the helloworld one first? |
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| 18:05.06 | alterego | Nope, trying now. |
| 18:05.22 | czr | yeah, I'll extract the proper VM, a sec |
| 18:06.14 | czr | the wireless driver most probably has some broken Makefile |
| 18:06.16 | alterego | No kernel source :/ |
| 18:06.20 | czr | so it needs more env vars or smt |
| 18:06.25 | czr | wonderful |
| 18:06.39 | czr | I'll have a smoke and boot the VM up meanwhile, brb |
| 18:06.46 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:09.43 | Jaffa | Steve Jobs just announced MacBook Air |
| 18:09.52 | alterego | What's that? |
| 18:10.05 | Jaffa | Hasn't said yet |
| 18:10.25 | Jaffa | "World's thinnest notebook" - so presumably quite wide |
| 18:10.31 | alterego | Hah |
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| 18:12.15 | dhd | ugh, macbook air, now I have to figure out where to get $1500 :) |
| 18:12.38 | alterego | Why? Mac's are just for fashion victims .. |
| 18:12.52 | czr | alterego, you remember what the hw name is for n810? |
| 18:12.57 | alterego | They just look so boring |
| 18:13.01 | alterego | czr, 44 |
| 18:13.03 | alterego | RX44 |
| 18:13.13 | czr | bleh. I only find rx-34-kernel |
| 18:13.14 | dhd | ahh yeah I just remembered how much Mac OS X irritated me |
| 18:13.40 | alterego | It's like iPod touches, and iPhones. They're not practical and they look boring. |
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| 18:13.47 | alterego | No imagination, just completely black plastic .. |
| 18:13.53 | alterego | With an apple logo O_O |
| 18:14.33 | alterego | czr, well. Presumably I can use that ;) |
| 18:14.39 | alterego | As they should be compatible. |
| 18:14.57 | dhd | the iPhone's GUI is something quite amazing I think |
| 18:15.00 | alterego | But checking out the source for that kernel image doesn't give me a usable build. |
| 18:15.02 | czr | probably should charge my n810 |
| 18:15.11 | czr | where did you find the source? |
| 18:15.13 | czr | apt-get source? |
| 18:15.19 | alterego | dhd, it's just flashy pictures. Nothing clever about it at all. |
| 18:15.26 | alterego | The input method is a POS. |
| 18:15.31 | alterego | czr, yeah, |
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| 18:17.05 | dhd | alterego: there's nothing *new* about it but it's the first commercial device to implement a lot of things that have been published in HCI conferences over the last 10 years |
| 18:17.07 | alterego | unmet build dependency kernel-source-rx-34 |
| 18:17.20 | dhd | granted, I still think that the N800 is more useful :) |
| 18:17.32 | alterego | And prettier. |
| 18:17.34 | dhd | not least because it is open |
| 18:17.54 | alterego | The N810 is the most attractive piece of electronics I've seen :) |
| 18:19.11 | alterego | czr, I'm trying this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html |
| 18:19.21 | czr | hmm. rx-34-kernel source package has a README that tells that it should contain headers. but it doesn't |
| 18:19.24 | czr | let me see |
| 18:20.12 | czr | heh. except that kernel-source-rx-34 doesn't exist |
| 18:20.19 | czr | unless it's in the non-free repo |
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| 18:21.44 | czr | alterego, the howto tells to use kernel-source-rx-34 source package, but it doesn't exist.. |
| 18:22.22 | alterego | czr, crap :/ |
| 18:22.33 | czr | indeed. bugzilla time. |
| 18:22.45 | czr | hmm. I remember seeing about this in the mailing lists though |
| 18:23.07 | alterego | I don't :/ |
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| 18:25.35 | czr | interesting: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ |
| 18:25.45 | czr | why doesn't apt-cache see it I wonder |
| 18:26.27 | alterego | It's probably not in the Packages.gz file .. |
| 18:26.43 | czr | well, it breaks the howto as well.. |
| 18:27.07 | alterego | Oh wait .. It's a source package isn't it. |
| 18:27.10 | alterego | It's not a deb at all. |
| 18:27.17 | czr | indeed |
| 18:27.25 | czr | ah. apt-cache wouldn't see it then, right? |
| 18:27.41 | alterego | Exactly. |
| 18:27.48 | alterego | apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34 works fine ^_^ |
| 18:28.00 | czr | indeed |
| 18:28.12 | alterego | :) |
| 18:28.17 | alterego | Well, we both screwed that up :D |
| 18:28.20 | czr | they still don't have a separate package with only the headers |
| 18:28.23 | czr | which is sad. |
| 18:28.27 | alterego | Yeah |
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| 18:29.12 | alterego | Looks like I might be able to do this after all then :) |
| 18:29.15 | alterego | Hopefully .. |
| 18:29.27 | czr | still downloading. /me sighs |
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| 18:29.37 | alterego | Yeah, I'm getting 44k/s >:( |
| 18:29.48 | LinuxCode | hi all |
| 18:29.48 | alterego | Gonna take 20 minutes. |
| 18:29.53 | alterego | Lucky it's dinner time I suppose. |
| 18:30.00 | LinuxCode | so its not just me having slow speeds ? |
| 18:30.06 | czr | alterego, I'm getting 216k |
| 18:30.12 | czr | which is max for me |
| 18:30.20 | alterego | My ISP screws my connection in the evening. |
| 18:30.29 | czr | your ISP is lonely |
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| 18:30.33 | alterego | Otherwise I should be getting ~250 - 260K/s |
| 18:30.35 | czr | they should get out more often |
| 18:30.35 | LinuxCode | I just had a N810 |
| 18:30.44 | alterego | :D |
| 18:30.49 | lcuk_3 | linux - had? what did you do with it? |
| 18:31.06 | alterego | Yeah, mines still down my pants .. |
| 18:31.06 | LinuxCode | not sure if its my N810/wlan or something but cant grab anything from maemo repo |
| 18:31.36 | lcuk_3 | are you on it now or are you using your normal pc to connect to here |
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| 18:31.48 | LinuxCode | normal pc to connect to freenode |
| 18:32.02 | LinuxCode | cant install pidgin or anything else for that matter |
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| 18:32.13 | alterego | czr, how do you fancy compiling these wifi modules for me? |
| 18:32.23 | LinuxCode | can surf though |
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| 18:32.27 | alterego | You could do it in the time it takes me to download the kernel source/eat dinner ;) |
| 18:32.40 | czr | alterego, well, I'll test my hello world. anything beyond that is extra |
| 18:32.46 | alterego | ;) |
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| 18:34.30 | czr | argh. they don't have a .config file |
| 18:35.31 | czr | ah. they do, but it's hidden away |
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| 18:35.38 | alterego | Yes, read the how to :P |
| 18:35.48 | czr | well. I don't want to build the whole kernel |
| 18:35.55 | czr | I want to try the 'prepare' target which should be enough |
| 18:36.00 | czr | for that I need the .config |
| 18:36.14 | alterego | make nokia_2420_defconfig should create the .config |
| 18:36.19 | czr | (i.e., just let me do it my way, ok? :-) |
| 18:36.24 | czr | yeah, but it does other things as well |
| 18:36.52 | czr | hmm. interesting. prepare actually works. |
| 18:36.57 | czr | didn't in bora. |
| 18:37.57 | alterego | :) |
| 18:37.58 | alterego | Nice |
| 18:40.18 | czr | doesn't help though |
| 18:40.26 | czr | the prepare thing doesn't create modpost. |
| 18:40.27 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:40.29 | czr | same problem as in bora. |
| 18:40.31 | czr | bleh. |
| 18:41.04 | czr | yup. |
| 18:41.09 | czr | full build required.. bleh^3 |
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| 18:42.06 | hahlo | does 'mtd -r write os200x.bin linux' work in n800? |
| 18:42.34 | alterego | hahlo, I don't think anyone has tried mtdutils. |
| 18:42.49 | alterego | I don't see why it wont work. |
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| 18:43.11 | alterego | So it should work. Provided you're dual booting off of an SD card? |
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| 18:43.26 | LinuxCode | quite a few Brits here ;-D |
| 18:43.40 | hahlo | alterego: ok, yes. |
| 18:43.41 | alterego | Who are you calling British! |
| 18:43.52 | czr | maybe he meant to say Grits |
| 18:43.58 | czr | or she. |
| 18:44.00 | alterego | I'm going through like .. 20 proxies man. |
| 18:44.07 | alterego | Oh wait .. They're all in England .. |
| 18:45.05 | LinuxCode | guess I will try an apt-get..the gui thing doesnt give much info back |
| 18:45.09 | LinuxCode | if something aint right |
| 18:45.31 | LinuxCode | kinda sucks they dont give ya a root pass |
| 18:45.32 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 18:45.42 | czr | they do |
| 18:45.42 | alterego | There is no root pass on 2008 |
| 18:45.48 | czr | but you need to enable r&d |
| 18:45.51 | LinuxCode | czr, where ? |
| 18:45.57 | LinuxCode | how do I do that ? |
| 18:45.58 | czr | login as root :-) |
| 18:46.05 | czr | via ssh is the simplest (imho) way |
| 18:46.12 | alterego | The easiest way is to install open ssh server .. |
| 18:46.17 | LinuxCode | if I could install ssh lol |
| 18:46.18 | Veggen_ | alterego: isn't there? |
| 18:46.20 | alterego | That prompts for you to set the root password. |
| 18:46.22 | LinuxCode | maemo is dead for me |
| 18:46.27 | Veggen_ | alterego: (a root password) |
| 18:46.39 | LinuxCode | I did set the root pass |
| 18:46.41 | Veggen_ | that means I don't need to change it, either. After enabling root :) |
| 18:46.42 | alterego | Veggen, no, root and user passwords aren't defined in 2008 |
| 18:46.44 | LinuxCode | but still |
| 18:46.56 | Veggen_ | alterego: well. I set a user-password. |
| 18:47.06 | Veggen_ | doesn't mess up anything. |
| 18:47.06 | alterego | I set both passwords .. |
| 18:47.15 | Veggen_ | I don't need the root password. |
| 18:47.16 | alterego | So I can actually log into it :P |
| 18:47.17 | LinuxCode | alterego, got a N810 ? |
| 18:47.20 | Veggen_ | sudo is good enough. |
| 18:47.22 | alterego | LinuxCode, indeed. |
| 18:47.25 | LinuxCode | k |
| 18:47.31 | alterego | Sometimes I _need_ root .. |
| 18:47.31 | LinuxCode | well i set it now |
| 18:47.36 | LinuxCode | using a hack |
| 18:47.44 | LinuxCode | also annoying ping is chmoded |
| 18:47.47 | LinuxCode | how stupid |
| 18:47.48 | Veggen_ | alterego: add a line to sudoers. |
| 18:47.55 | LinuxCode | how will people debug their network |
| 18:47.56 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 18:48.00 | alterego | Veggen, why? If it's just a one off thing? |
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| 18:48.22 | Veggen_ | LinuxCode: the reason for that is that ping is part of busybox, not? |
| 18:48.35 | LinuxCode | dont know... |
| 18:48.39 | LinuxCode | you tell me.. |
| 18:48.51 | czr | alterego, hello.ko built. will test on device next |
| 18:48.53 | alterego | I could allow user to sudo to ALL, but then that would be a bit of s security hole. As anyone using the device within 10 minutes or whatever would have root access .. |
| 18:48.55 | LinuxCode | this is my first experience with the N810...and busybox etc.. |
| 18:48.59 | alterego | czr, fantastic :) |
| 18:49.07 | Veggen_ | ping need to be suid root to use as a user. and you can't suid root a symbolic link :) |
| 18:49.14 | czr | I'll add a section on N810/OS2008 to the doc after this |
| 18:49.29 | czr | it's not all that different, so I'll just point out the largest differences |
| 18:49.51 | alterego | Veggen, LinuxCode easy fix is cp busybox ping, then chmod +s ping :) |
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| 18:51.27 | alterego | Finally finished downloading the kernel sources :) |
| 18:51.33 | LinuxCode | alterego, hehe |
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| 18:54.06 | czr | success. |
| 18:54.20 | czr | ok, should probably make some tea, smoke and then update the document.. |
| 18:54.25 | alterego | Nice |
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| 18:55.12 | Veggen_ | nuts. Did I miss that? why did they change the cable for n810? |
| 18:55.22 | Veggen_ | (the USB cable) |
| 18:55.32 | alterego | Veggen, it's smaller. |
| 18:55.37 | czr | it's sexier |
| 18:55.53 | Veggen_ | hmmf. hope I brought it from work... |
| 18:56.01 | czr | and otherwise you could have used the normal cable, but it's so sexy that now you can use a separate cable for your n810 |
| 18:56.01 | Veggen_ | (I got it at work, the n810) |
| 18:56.04 | lcuk_3 | damn missus! |
| 18:56.18 | lcuk_3 | shes lost my flimpsy but practical cover for my 810 |
| 18:56.25 | lcuk_3 | she only had the bloody thing for a day |
| 18:57.32 | alterego | Hahah |
| 18:57.41 | alterego | I don't use mine. |
| 18:57.47 | czr | only one day and it's already bloody.. women.. |
| 18:57.53 | lcuk_3 | i do cos i cant put it in my pocket without it |
| 18:57.54 | alterego | Well, not for it's intended purpose .. |
| 18:58.38 | lcuk_3 | shes promised to make me a replacement |
| 18:58.50 | lcuk_3 | (since nokia havent got any on their site ...) |
| 18:59.14 | lcuk_3 | now shes threatening to make it furr lined, please someone tell me: how the hell can i prevent this from happening |
| 18:59.34 | lcuk_3 | (but still get a case) |
| 18:59.47 | czr | lcuk_3, give her flowers tomorrow |
| 18:59.57 | czr | and say that they're for NOT using fur :-) |
| 19:00.06 | lcuk_3 | me? flowers? for once it aint me thats done something wrong |
| 19:00.26 | czr | see, that's the beauty of it. she'll end up so confused, shell forget about the fur. |
| 19:00.45 | lcuk_3 | not likely, shes probably choosing contrasting fabrics as we speak |
| 19:00.51 | czr | oh my :-) |
| 19:00.54 | LinuxCode | how does one add a gpg key so apt can use it ? |
| 19:00.56 | LinuxCode | hmm |
| 19:00.56 | czr | then you can only fail. |
| 19:01.10 | lcuk_3 | :( |
| 19:01.45 | czr | Doom 1, Doom 2 or Doom 3? |
| 19:02.01 | lcuk_3 | the whole lot i think |
| 19:02.09 | czr | oh. you ARE doomed then :-) |
| 19:02.23 | czr | I still think I remember all the levels of doom 1 by heart. |
| 19:02.40 | lcuk_3 | yer, proposal, wedding day, anniversary |
| 19:02.48 | LinuxCode | aha! apt-key |
| 19:03.05 | czr | heh lcuk_3 |
| 19:03.22 | lcuk_3 | i think this will be the only time i can get away with this. |
| 19:03.41 | czr | she's out and won't be reading your irclogs? |
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| 19:03.50 | LinuxCode | any of you guys set up the cross-compile sandbox ? |
| 19:03.52 | lcuk_3 | ill show her when she returns |
| 19:04.06 | czr | LinuxCode, define what you mean by that. the SDK? |
| 19:04.21 | LinuxCode | the maemo sandbox build environment |
| 19:04.30 | LinuxCode | specified in the tutorial |
| 19:04.31 | lcuk_3 | Scratchbox is the maemo cross compiler. theres plenty of support around for it |
| 19:04.33 | czr | maemo SDK. |
| 19:04.38 | czr | yeah, we've set it up. |
| 19:04.48 | LinuxCode | straight forward ? |
| 19:04.59 | czr | if you follow the instructions. which distro are you using? |
| 19:05.07 | LinuxCode | fedora |
| 19:05.15 | czr | ah, you'll probably run into problems with qemu then |
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| 19:05.22 | LinuxCode | hmm |
| 19:05.22 | lcuk_3 | there is a vmware image all nicely setup for those who don't know or the more linux user friendly version for those who want to diy |
| 19:05.29 | czr | search the maemo-developers mailing list for 'fedora vdso' |
| 19:05.38 | czr | it's trivial to fix once you know how |
| 19:05.44 | LinuxCode | sweet |
| 19:05.48 | LinuxCode | thanks for the tip mate |
| 19:05.58 | LinuxCode | Im actually seriously pondering to port fedora |
| 19:06.00 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 19:06.04 | LinuxCode | wasnt just a joke |
| 19:06.07 | czr | you should get out more often |
| 19:06.12 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 19:06.19 | LinuxCode | I tell myself that all the time |
| 19:06.21 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 19:06.33 | czr | then you notice the self-deception? :-) |
| 19:06.42 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:06.51 | LinuxCode | I have to self deceive myself |
| 19:07.00 | LinuxCode | Im working on something else atm |
| 19:07.02 | czr | that's how self-deception normally works |
| 19:07.04 | lcuk_3 | now with n810 you can get out more AND play with linux |
| 19:07.11 | LinuxCode | only way to survive |
| 19:07.53 | czr | lcuk_3, "why are your hands your pants' pockets all the time?" "Oh, I'm playing with my device" |
| 19:08.16 | lcuk_3 | its ok, im logged in as root tho |
| 19:08.58 | LinuxCode | lcuk_3, hahah |
| 19:09.08 | lcuk_3 | i dont think i could keep the 810 in my pocket, the light on the side throbs too often |
| 19:09.15 | czr | as long as you refrain from port scanning in public places, it should be ok |
| 19:09.43 | lcuk_3 | im just worried people will port scan me |
| 19:10.12 | czr | I see your problem.. |
| 19:10.20 | Blafasel | Maybe it's not that bad and only hurts the first time.. |
| 19:10.30 | lcuk_3 | and dont mention my furr lined case :| |
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| 19:10.40 | czr | hah, forgot about the fur already |
| 19:10.46 | lcuk_3 | she hadnt |
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| 19:10.56 | lcuk_3 | i bloody hope not |
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| 19:11.23 | lcuk_3 | in all seriousness, does anywhere sell practical cases for 810 yet |
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| 19:11.30 | czr | well, if it would be dark brown, then people would just think that your chesthair is sticking out of your shirt pockets. is that really what you want? |
| 19:11.36 | czr | I haven't seen any |
| 19:11.52 | lcuk_3 | nor have i - i think the keyboard is throwing the designers |
| 19:12.25 | lcuk_3 | i might just move forward with my rubber bumpers idea |
| 19:12.34 | lcuk_3 | and stick a screen protector on |
| 19:13.05 | Veggen_ | ok. so no reflash today. |
| 19:13.14 | Veggen_ | (damned cable-variations) |
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| 19:14.38 | lcuk_3 | i gonna vanish - hopefully ill manage to hide all the furry stuff before she comes back |
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| 19:26.00 | alterego | I don't think I'll get this to work :( |
| 19:29.12 | tomv | is there a way to run a chroot full of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) on a regular debian install of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM)? |
| 19:30.01 | alterego | O_o |
| 19:30.01 | alterego | Is that a maemo question? |
| 19:31.15 | tomv | alterego: the former is what maemo seems to use. |
| 19:33.32 | pupnik_ | debian-arm or armel? |
| 19:35.43 | tomv | armel in the chroot, arm on the outside. |
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| 19:43.36 | pupnik_ | ahh.. |
| 19:43.54 | LinuxCode | hmmmwaiting for headers |
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| 19:47.36 | pupnik_ | wow! vmware lets you do vnc remoting of the whole session, including console! |
| 19:48.33 | pupnik_ | ... collaborative development with scratchbox + vmware... |
| 19:57.12 | alterego | you can do that with qemu/kvm to .. |
| 19:57.16 | alterego | ~too |
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| 20:04.23 | |R | anyone remember where is the mount command with noexec so i can change it to exec in the OS2008? |
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| 20:09.31 | b0unc3 | |R: you need to modify the fstab or mount -o exec ... |
| 20:09.53 | |R | b0unc3 : fstab is not used, it's in a script somewhere |
| 20:10.11 | |R | fstab even points mmc1 to the wrong device (not the one actually used, flipping 1 and 2) |
| 20:10.33 | b0unc3 | |R: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount |
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| 20:10.51 | |R | hoorray! thanks :) |
| 20:10.57 | |R | grep didn't find it for some reasons... |
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| 20:36.08 | penguinbait | <-- Drops Pin |
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| 20:37.50 | penguinbait | I was just thinking that was a really deep hole |
| 20:38.31 | Lynoure | Did not actually go to the bottom... yey for telescopic magnet sticks =) |
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| 20:41.10 | czr | telescopic magnet stick actually sounds rather dangeours |
| 20:42.09 | Lynoure | czr: I thought that when I passed one in a store today... Luckily I no longer really need one, not that much pins around anymore |
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| 20:42.41 | czr | imagine going into some fully metallic room and all of the sudden all kinds of things poking out of your pockets. not convenient! |
| 20:43.23 | penguinbait | maybe I need to stop walking around with pins in my pockets? |
| 20:43.39 | Lynoure | heh, is that a stick in your pocket or... =) |
| 20:43.43 | lophyte | hey all |
| 20:43.45 | penguinbait | ouch! |
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| 20:44.19 | Lynoure | lophyte: hello :) |
| 20:44.20 | czr | Lynoure, indeed. |
| 20:44.29 | lophyte | sounds like a room full of bored folks ;) |
| 20:44.33 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 20:44.39 | penguinbait | could be! |
| 20:44.56 | czr | hence I'd give anything to do write it.. |
| 20:45.04 | czr | poking sticks is an adequate diversion. |
| 20:45.09 | Lynoure | lophyte: no need to be bored to take advantage of a joke-potential |
| 20:45.14 | lophyte | lol |
| 20:45.16 | lophyte | true enough |
| 20:45.32 | lophyte | I'm sitting at work twiddling my thumbs, I should be coding... |
| 20:45.35 | czr | "#maemo, realizing the full potential since 2006" |
| 20:45.53 | czr | lophyte, thumb-keyboard for irc? |
| 20:46.03 | penguinbait | I think we need a maemohelp |
| 20:46.16 | lcuk_3 | i think we simply need help |
| 20:46.29 | lophyte | actually my IT is sitting idle, no thumb-keyboard for me |
| 20:46.45 | ki6amd | Cheaterf |
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| 20:46.57 | Tam_ | Hi |
| 20:47.10 | czr | lcuk_3, you at least do :-) |
| 20:47.18 | penguinbait | hello |
| 20:47.38 | ki6amd | J/k... Like the misspelling too there I bet? |
| 20:47.45 | lcuk_3 | lol - its a good job my missus hasnt seen the pins ppl have around here |
| 20:48.06 | lcuk_3 | re: maemohelp channel, if all the help was moved off to another channel how would we get ideas for new programs to write? |
| 20:48.35 | penguinbait | I have heard from non-tech people #maemo is not very helpfull |
| 20:49.04 | penguinbait | so I figure make maemohelp, where you should be expected to put up with idiocy :) |
| 20:49.13 | lophyte | haha |
| 20:49.17 | lcuk_3 | i don't think any contact point is perfect but at least (some of us) are real people who from what i have seen genuinely try to help |
| 20:49.38 | penguinbait | yes, but many smart asses too ;) |
| 20:49.56 | lcuk_3 | the biggest problem with irc that i can see is people need help to get help |
| 20:50.15 | ki6amd | So true |
| 20:50.15 | lcuk_3 | penguin, happens everywhere |
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| 20:50.25 | penguinbait | even in the forums, I know |
| 20:50.32 | czr | even? :-) |
| 20:50.40 | lcuk_3 | i started with a web based irc - it required no installation |
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| 20:51.04 | lophyte | I'm not around enough to offer assistance :\ |
| 20:51.20 | penguinbait | I am working on putting #maemo on www.tablethacker.com, so we will have a quick IRC client |
| 20:51.41 | penguinbait | I am running mirc on windows right now |
| 20:51.52 | lophyte | then again I'm not that tablet savvy anyway, just linux savvy |
| 20:51.55 | penguinbait | anyone else notice that mirc guy is losing his hair :) |
| 20:52.05 | lophyte | I haven't use mirc in ages |
| 20:52.11 | ki6amd | Hmm... Where's the "pipe" on my 810 keyboard? |
| 20:52.14 | lophyte | if I'm even using windows, I use xchat |
| 20:52.15 | penguinbait | I really really like kvirc |
| 20:52.29 | lcuk_3 | lophyte, i bet you can help ppl if they ask the right question.. |
| 20:52.46 | lophyte | lcuk_3, most likely if its linux-related and not too tablet specific |
| 20:52.47 | lcuk_3 | pipe on 810 is next to tab ;) |
| 20:52.47 | penguinbait | I am running Gaim on windows, not sure why I did not think of x-chat |
| 20:52.54 | ki6amd | Ahh, there it is... | |
| 20:52.59 | penguinbait | I guess because mirc never expires |
| 20:53.06 | lophyte | penguinbait, http://silverex.org/news/ |
| 20:53.18 | lophyte | free build of xchat for windows |
| 20:53.27 | lcuk_3 | i started with http://ircatwork.com/ |
| 20:53.38 | penguinbait | I was an old bitchx user :) |
| 20:53.44 | penguinbait | epic also |
| 20:54.14 | ki6amd | Having been a debian fanboy pays when you buy an IT, I'll tell you... |
| 20:54.22 | lophyte | hahah |
| 20:54.24 | lophyte | that's for sure |
| 20:54.26 | czr | at least I think I did. might have been something else before ircii |
| 20:54.39 | lophyte | I was glad when I bought my n800 and realized it had apt-get |
| 20:55.01 | ki6amd | Whaa? |
| 20:55.09 | lcuk_3 | ive dabbled and had a few live disks and installed a few full systems but never understood enough |
| 20:55.14 | czr | lcuk_3, so, the furry lining is appropriate, not? :-) |
| 20:55.16 | penguinbait | I learned linux whan I had a third shift tech job, I never did anything |
| 20:55.17 | lophyte | I have Windows in a VM when I need it |
| 20:55.20 | lcuk_3 | lolol |
| 20:55.45 | lophyte | ie. to download MS reader ebooks |
| 20:56.00 | ki6amd | Has one windows box out of 7 computers he uses daily... The windows box is for warmth, and some games |
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| 20:56.10 | lcuk_3 | i got this IT because I wanted something i couldn't give up on |
| 20:56.12 | cbx33 | hey |
| 20:56.34 | lcuk_3 | windows has always been a poor comforting device |
| 20:56.38 | lophyte | lol |
| 20:56.39 | lcuk_3 | i still miss amiga OS tbh |
| 20:56.48 | penguinbait | I bought 770, because it was cheaper than and more available than the zaurus I had been druling over for years :) |
| 20:56.56 | lophyte | hahah, oh yeah for sure |
| 20:56.59 | penguinbait | Nokia made me a very happy camper :) |
| 20:57.04 | lophyte | agreed |
| 20:57.09 | lophyte | though I wish I would've waited for the 810 |
| 20:57.15 | lophyte | I bought my n800 just before the 810 came out |
| 20:57.22 | jott | lcuk_3: install uae on your it ;) |
| 20:57.37 | penguinbait | I bought my 770 in Jan 2006, I am very glad I did not wait for 810 |
| 20:57.46 | ki6amd | Me too... I got my 810 for $250us, btw |
| 20:57.46 | penguinbait | hell I am still waiting for my 810 :( |
| 20:57.57 | lophyte | the hardware keyboard would've been nice |
| 20:58.03 | penguinbait | good deal k6 |
| 20:58.04 | lophyte | I guess I could sell my n800 |
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| 20:58.24 | lcuk_3 | jott, i did and ran for ages with it but real life does get in the way and without some major experience in windows i wouldnt have got a decent job |
| 20:58.35 | ki6amd | CompUSA going out of business sales are great! |
| 20:58.42 | lcuk_3 | i would get an 800 tomorrow to compliment this 810 |
| 20:58.44 | cbx33 | hey can i restore from than n800 to an n810 |
| 20:59.13 | jott | lcuk_3: hey you can always put it back in your pocket.. make it a secret ;) |
| 20:59.19 | penguinbait | I am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :) |
| 20:59.22 | ki6amd | Now there's a project... |
| 20:59.37 | lcuk_3 | but im a developer and that pays enough bills |
| 20:59.43 | penguinbait | should work cbx33 |
| 20:59.59 | LinuxCode | [20:59] penguinbait I am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :) |
| 21:00.04 | LinuxCode | winblows just sucks |
| 21:00.10 | penguinbait | I am lowly admin, not a developer :) |
| 21:00.20 | penguinbait | developers annoy me, NO OFFENSE |
| 21:00.23 | penguinbait | < ducks |
| 21:00.26 | lcuk_3 | lol |
| 21:00.37 | ki6amd | Lol |
| 21:00.48 | lophyte | < developer/sysadmin contractor |
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| 21:01.34 | lcuk_3 | god i remember jobs like that <- work experience in college... |
| 21:01.42 | penguinbait | I dont move machines, you need forklift to move the machines I work on |
| 21:02.00 | ki6amd | I love developers... I'd love to be one, although networks are more fun for me. |
| 21:02.16 | lophyte | I do a bit of everything |
| 21:02.16 | lophyte | lol |
| 21:02.34 | penguinbait | Alright we got the sysadmin and developers, and network folks |
| 21:02.34 | lcuk_3 | you do what you need to do to get a job done |
| 21:02.40 | penguinbait | where are the SAN admins |
| 21:02.45 | czr | penguinbait, it's only because you deserve it (annoying developers :-) |
| 21:02.55 | penguinbait | whos got thier IT booting over network hehe |
| 21:03.13 | ki6amd | Shoves a ataoe device on the network... |
| 21:03.19 | LinuxCode | woah |
| 21:03.20 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:03.29 | czr | ki6amd, aoe is more common acronym :-) |
| 21:03.35 | LinuxCode | when you install maemo bash it wants to remove like...anything thats essential |
| 21:03.49 | lcuk_3 | ok folks, before this turns into a pitched battle, might i suggest we go for a beer? |
| 21:04.03 | penguinbait | never needed more than ash? |
| 21:04.05 | lophyte | I removed osso-media-player one time and it removed the browser with it |
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| 21:04.11 | ki6amd | To the fridge! |
| 21:04.13 | LinuxCode | penguinbait, I prefer bash |
| 21:04.19 | LinuxCode | just personal preference |
| 21:04.21 | penguinbait | czr where are you |
| 21:04.27 | penguinbait | I want a beer |
| 21:04.35 | czr | penguinbait, here :-). Hakaniemi/Helsinki/Finland. |
| 21:04.36 | ki6amd | Would love to see bash here too |
| 21:04.48 | lcuk_3 | Manchester England |
| 21:04.50 | penguinbait | me to, but I just have no real need for it |
| 21:04.58 | lophyte | < the other side of the world |
| 21:04.59 | ki6amd | California |
| 21:05.04 | czr | damn. you're all scattered around.. |
| 21:05.14 | czr | obviously you don't love Nokia enough! |
| 21:05.26 | cbx33 | anyone tried a restore from an n800 to an n810??? thanks penguinbait |
| 21:05.30 | penguinbait | oh, better count me out on the first round, its gonna take me a minute or two to get there |
| 21:05.37 | lcuk_3 | its ok, remember - the internet is just a series of tubes. just pour beer into your router |
| 21:05.42 | lophyte | hahahah |
| 21:05.47 | czr | heh lcuk_3 |
| 21:05.56 | penguinbait | seeing how 810 OS runs on 800, it seems like it would work |
| 21:06.11 | czr | BoRTP (Beer over Real Time Protocol) |
| 21:06.18 | ki6amd | Lol |
| 21:06.19 | lcuk_3 | cbx - if you did a backup using a full version of OS2008 then you should not have any problems |
| 21:06.21 | penguinbait | you pour, I will wait here for beer to come out |
| 21:06.28 | lcuk_3 | if however you backed up using 2007 then you might have |
| 21:06.30 | penguinbait | Guiness only please :) |
| 21:06.37 | czr | just let's hope the RTP isn't run on top of IP over Avian Carrier networks |
| 21:07.02 | czr | we have guiness here though. I'm sure BoRTP wouldn't care. |
| 21:07.02 | penguinbait | < didn't consider peopel are actually still running 2007OS |
| 21:07.02 | cbx33 | no no |
| 21:07.07 | cbx33 | I was on os2008 on the n800 |
| 21:07.11 | cbx33 | latest release |
| 21:07.14 | LinuxCode | meh cant install autoconf either |
| 21:07.14 | lcuk_3 | was it beta of 2008 |
| 21:07.15 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 21:07.18 | cbx33 | just checking |
| 21:07.21 | cbx33 | lcuk_3, no |
| 21:07.25 | LinuxCode | it would be nice if the deps would be more loose |
| 21:07.28 | cbx33 | full release |
| 21:07.30 | lcuk_3 | ahhh right cbx, it should be fine, but if you are restoring anyway try it and let us know |
| 21:07.36 | cbx33 | I will |
| 21:07.40 | lcuk_3 | if it works we will add it to our borg memory |
| 21:07.43 | cbx33 | I can always flash it again right? |
| 21:07.46 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 21:07.47 | lcuk_3 | yer |
| 21:08.04 | LinuxCode | how does one flash a n810 ? |
| 21:08.11 | lcuk_3 | with a torch |
| 21:08.15 | czr | you find the brighest LED you can |
| 21:08.16 | LinuxCode | I had no cd or anything |
| 21:08.17 | cbx33 | is it not the same way as an n800? |
| 21:08.21 | penguinbait | anyone here ever tun n810 stolen os on the n800? |
| 21:08.24 | cbx33 | LinuxCode, no you download the flasher utility |
| 21:08.31 | czr | LinuxCode, via USB cable from your computer |
| 21:08.31 | penguinbait | not beta |
| 21:08.36 | cbx33 | penguinbait, ?? |
| 21:08.39 | ki6amd | Hopefully, it's a light beer being shoved down the,pipes... We don't want our isp to get drunk... |
| 21:08.39 | lcuk_3 | linux, in reality if you got the cable that came with it you get the flasher utility from nokia |
| 21:08.41 | LinuxCode | czr, kk thx |
| 21:08.45 | cbx33 | they are the same right? |
| 21:08.47 | czr | penguinbait, tun? |
| 21:08.50 | LinuxCode | and cbx33 |
| 21:08.53 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 21:08.57 | penguinbait | I ran the n810 firmware on the n800 prior to n800 releasing 2008 beta |
| 21:09.14 | cbx33 | oh i see |
| 21:09.17 | lcuk_3 | you went back in time? |
| 21:09.21 | penguinbait | I am running latest OS now |
| 21:09.21 | cbx33 | you were one of the naughty ones ;) |
| 21:09.23 | penguinbait | but |
| 21:09.30 | czr | hmm. has 2008 been released for N800? |
| 21:09.35 | cbx33 | czr, yes |
| 21:09.36 | lcuk_3 | yes |
| 21:09.40 | cbx33 | I have it |
| 21:09.41 | czr | thanks |
| 21:09.48 | penguinbait | in about, in control panel, I have unknown instead of version |
| 21:09.52 | cbx33 | there is actually a second release isn't it? |
| 21:10.09 | czr | I'm still running a pre-release on it |
| 21:10.19 | cbx33 | ahh |
| 21:10.21 | cbx33 | czr upgrade |
| 21:10.23 | czr | or rather, it's been installed, the device is powered off for ages :-) |
| 21:10.24 | cbx33 | painless here |
| 21:10.26 | penguinbait | anyone else show unknown on latest 2008 n800 os |
| 21:10.29 | czr | err. I know :-) |
| 21:10.33 | cbx33 | penguinbait, not tried |
| 21:10.36 | czr | I just don't use the devices much |
| 21:10.37 | ki6amd | I think it's time I get a bluetooth keyboard... Or put my thumbs on a diet |
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| 21:10.56 | czr | ki6amd, you could strech them |
| 21:11.10 | ki6amd | Sounds too painful |
| 21:11.15 | lcuk_3 | version: 2.2007.50-2 |
| 21:11.16 | penguinbait | or put them on a workout schedule |
| 21:11.21 | penguinbait | no carbs either |
| 21:11.51 | penguinbait | anyone else here try the 2008os on n800 prior to beta release? |
| 21:12.01 | cbx33 | lcuk_3, snap |
| 21:12.04 | ki6amd | Less McDonald's too? |
| 21:12.20 | LinuxCode | lol tar wont install either |
| 21:12.23 | LinuxCode | same thing |
| 21:12.33 | lcuk_3 | penguinbait, you mean after it was released for 810, but before they beta tested it for 800? or something else |
| 21:12.44 | czr | penguinbait, me |
| 21:12.51 | czr | but I didn't use the 810 fw on it. |
| 21:13.27 | ki6amd | Well, gotta run, see ya'll l8r |
| 21:14.39 | lcuk_3 | how do i know if i am marked away - does my name change in here or do i just get greyed out? |
| 21:15.36 | czr | lcuk_3, your name doesn't change. it shouldn't. |
| 21:15.37 | penguinbait | no I am wondering if anyone used 810 firmware on n800? |
| 21:15.39 | Veggen_ | lcuk: name doesn't change. other than that, it's totally dependent upon what client one's using. |
| 21:15.42 | czr | lcuk_3, /whois lcuk_3 |
| 21:15.46 | penguinbait | anyone else that is |
| 21:15.48 | Veggen_ | (how it's shown) |
| 21:15.58 | czr | or depending on client, the name might be of different color in some list of nicks. |
| 21:16.12 | Veggen_ | but at least it should show on /whois, yes. |
| 21:16.17 | lcuk_3 | yer i'd just seen a few people changing names |
| 21:16.24 | czr | it's very annoying |
| 21:16.34 | czr | they just lurk on 20 channels and spam each channel on afk/aways |
| 21:16.35 | lcuk_3 | ive got name list in my client i just didnt know how it worked in here |
| 21:18.15 | lcuk_3 | right, heads or tails folks ( heads i play with python, tails i code in Portal ) or something like that |
| 21:18.32 | czr | both. |
| 21:18.39 | czr | hence the language of Porhon is born. |
| 21:18.46 | lcuk_3 | but i will drop my companion cube if i have to indent |
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| 21:19.08 | penguinbait | porn is born |
| 21:19.12 | lcuk_3 | i just realised i havent even booted it up since i got n810 |
| 21:19.22 | penguinbait | Al gore invented porn, right after the internet |
| 21:19.26 | penguinbait | duh! |
| 21:19.55 | lcuk_3 | but porn was already invented b4 the internet |
| 21:20.20 | penguinbait | okok |
| 21:20.20 | lcuk_3 | the bible originally started as a TGP |
| 21:20.25 | penguinbait | streaming porn |
| 21:21.24 | Veggen_ | penguinbait: silly you. Of course he invented the internet to have a series of tubes to send his porn through. Unfortunately, the instructions were a bit clear, he wanted physical tubes but what got out of it was virtual tubes. |
| 21:21.32 | Veggen_ | But that did, unfortunately, not stop the porn. |
| 21:21.59 | Veggen_ | (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) |
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| 21:22.27 | czr | alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ |
| 21:22.42 | lcuk_3 | becareful with your point of view, you'll have someones eye out with it |
| 21:23.43 | jott | could someone please confirm this funny sbox bug (chinook arm)? do "touch stat.so" |
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| 21:24.27 | penguinbait | youll poke your eye out! |
| 21:24.29 | penguinbait | youll poke your eye out! |
| 21:24.58 | lcuk_3 | WARNING: do not look at the porn with your remaining eye |
| 21:25.08 | penguinbait | sorry its that 24hours of a christmas story around the holidays |
| 21:25.29 | czr | jott, ok |
| 21:25.42 | czr | jott, interesting :-) |
| 21:25.43 | penguinbait | I just want a red rider bb gun? |
| 21:26.04 | czr | jott, now my sbox is broken btw :-) |
| 21:26.10 | jott | you can just "rm" it to fix it ;) |
| 21:26.22 | czr | jott, but hey, that's pretty cool :-) |
| 21:26.26 | penguinbait | I tar mine up as soon as its setup |
| 21:26.28 | czr | the X86 side doesn't have it? |
| 21:26.38 | penguinbait | makes recovery easier |
| 21:26.47 | penguinbait | and alternate sbox instanes also |
| 21:27.01 | jott | yeah especially if there is really a stat.so and hence the build fails ;) |
| 21:27.02 | penguinbait | s/instanes/instances |
| 21:27.04 | czr | ah, X86 is also broken |
| 21:27.20 | czr | jott, my sbox breaks completely once I execute that. login fails as well after that |
| 21:27.38 | lcuk_3 | i gather i shouldnt try touching the stats on the 810? |
| 21:27.39 | czr | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback.. |
| 21:27.42 | jott | eek.. yeah just delete the file.. |
| 21:27.50 | czr | jott, I know. just very interesting. |
| 21:27.53 | jott | indeed |
| 21:28.27 | czr | jott, any ideas what causes it? |
| 21:28.34 | czr | that's python breaking for sure, but why.. |
| 21:28.41 | czr | and which python :-) |
| 21:28.57 | czr | touch is a binary command, so it's not that. but the sbox environment uses python for something on the background or something similar? |
| 21:29.19 | jott | yeah all is wrapped in a python session afaik |
| 21:29.26 | jott | to delegate host/target stuff |
| 21:29.34 | czr | "great" :-) |
| 21:29.45 | czr | haha |
| 21:29.48 | czr | I found another one |
| 21:29.50 | czr | os.so ;-) |
| 21:29.55 | czr | different error too ;-) |
| 21:30.14 | jott | hehe luckly this is not a production env.. i imagine very nice code injections with this one.. |
| 21:30.22 | czr | jott, have you reported this yet? |
| 21:30.29 | jott | no just discovered it.. |
| 21:30.43 | czr | yeah. interesting stuff. |
| 21:30.44 | jott | where should i report this anyway? :) |
| 21:30.53 | jott | maybe it's fixed upstream already.. |
| 21:30.54 | czr | ask on #scratchbox |
| 21:31.00 | jott | yeah good point |
| 21:31.13 | czr | they'll know what to do with bugs from maemo versions of sbox I guess |
| 21:31.21 | czr | and reporting them in maemo wouldn't make much sense I guess |
| 21:32.06 | czr | the culprit is /scratchbox/tools/bin/intehbox |
| 21:32.10 | czr | inthebox even |
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| 21:33.49 | jott | yep.. |
| 21:34.23 | jott | though i don't see that file does something wrong (but importing sys and os :) |
| 21:34.40 | jott | and probably doing a stat :) |
| 21:34.51 | czr | I'm working on a fix |
| 21:35.08 | czr | well. it does use chroot. which implies root privs |
| 21:35.17 | czr | or no. it doesn't :-) |
| 21:37.55 | czr | jott, interesting that python by default does not do that. it's the sbox version that's somehow broken |
| 21:38.53 | Tama^2 | Is Khertan around? |
| 21:38.58 | jott | lets try an ltrace of the sbox session :).. |
| 21:44.04 | michele_ | /usr/bin/scratchbox: line 234: 21359 Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 21:44.05 | michele_ | nice |
| 21:44.19 | cbx33 | i didn't know the n810 only had one memory card slot |
| 21:44.22 | cbx33 | and that it wasn't sd |
| 21:48.16 | michele_ | I amtrying to build evince (the ported one in garage), but pkg-config complains |
| 21:48.25 | michele_ | checking for GDU_MODULE_VERSION_CHECK... configure: error: Package requirements (gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2) were not met: |
| 21:48.29 | michele_ | No package 'gnome-doc-utils' found |
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| 21:49.30 | lophyte | back |
| 21:49.35 | czr | jott, it's not simple |
| 21:49.42 | czr | it's an evil thing. |
| 21:50.46 | jott | hm yeah and the #scratchbox people are away or asleep atm.. |
| 21:52.14 | jott | 22:51 < dpb> It's a known bug pto |
| 21:52.17 | jott | 22:51 < jott> ok, is there a workaround? tobb |
| 21:52.21 | jott | 22:51 < dpb> No, as far as I know. veli |
| 21:52.24 | jott | :/ |
| 21:52.53 | jott | (ignore the pto tobb veli ;) |
| 21:52.58 | czr | interesting |
| 21:54.00 | czr | I might have found a solution |
| 21:54.07 | czr | although I'm not at all sure whether it's the correct one. |
| 21:55.09 | czr | jott, you using the env to build something? |
| 21:55.15 | czr | (i.e., you want to test the fix?) |
| 21:55.23 | michele_ | anybody knows how I can disable the gnome-doc-utils check? |
| 21:56.51 | jott | czr: sure i'll give it a try |
| 21:56.53 | jott | http://bugzilla.scratchbox.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=298 |
| 21:57.40 | czr | jott, outside sbox, do the following: |
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| 21:57.57 | czr | modify the #! line of /scratchbox/tools/bin/inthebox to read: #!/usr/bin/python -E |
| 21:58.04 | czr | (original is /usr/bin/env python) |
| 21:58.19 | czr | the problem is caused by python reading site.py when it starts (before any script is executed) |
| 21:58.26 | czr | that was the part which triggered the problems |
| 21:58.36 | hachi | I'm getting an 'operation failed' when I try to update my apps list in the app manager |
| 21:58.48 | czr | jott, you have account in sbox-bugzilla? or should I report this? |
| 21:59.01 | czr | or rather, report the fix and observations |
| 21:59.06 | jott | czr: no i have no account.. i guess adding to 298 would be good.. |
| 21:59.15 | czr | jott, ok. will do. |
| 21:59.18 | czr | tell me how it goes |
| 21:59.24 | czr | (testing the fix) |
| 21:59.25 | Cptnodegard | wooot |
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| 21:59.31 | Cptnodegard | igo for 18 pounds o.o |
| 21:59.47 | jott | czr looks good so far.. (don't know if it has side effects yetz) |
| 22:00.40 | czr | yeah, I did some small builds only, so can't vouch for the correctness yet |
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| 22:02.01 | hachi | should I worry much if osso-software-version (the version pining to 50-2) is going to be removed? |
| 22:02.10 | hachi | I get the feeling that I shouldn't worry too much, but I dunno |
| 22:02.36 | hachi | oh, this thing wants to install e2fslibs and progs, this is useless |
| 22:03.17 | cbx33 | is it as easy to R+D mode on n810? |
| 22:03.39 | jott | czr: hmm.. this also affects some other places (dpkg-buildpackage still fails as it seems) |
| 22:05.29 | czr | jott, 'still fails'? |
| 22:06.13 | jott | yeah, a dir with "stat.so" still produces the error (as in "inthebox" is not the only place to fix) |
| 22:06.34 | ds3 | okay, either is a bug in BT kb support in OS2008 or I am doing something very wrong - what would cause the OSK to be disappear (even though there is no active BT keyboard for over 2 hours) and cause the lock screen/key to not happen when it thinks it is idle |
| 22:06.50 | czr | jott, ahh. interesting |
| 22:10.22 | czr | jott, added the info |
| 22:11.19 | jott | yeah let's see if there will be some response :) thanks |
| 22:11.32 | p| | re |
| 22:11.53 | p| | any financial app for os2008 ? |
| 22:11.57 | czr | jott, yup. joined sbox as well. |
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| 22:13.53 | zeEez | Can anyone point me to a page that list what the n800 buttons reprenent (like dpad center is F8 or something) |
| 22:17.02 | czr | zeEez, those are listed in the maemo sdk tutorial |
| 22:17.05 | czr | afair |
| 22:17.37 | pickl1 | anyone seen this error in scratchbox: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 22:17.45 | pickl1 | ? |
| 22:19.02 | jott | czr: got a real fix (see #scratchbox) |
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| 22:22.39 | dhd | ds3: I've had the same problem |
| 22:23.25 | dhd | if I am using a BT keyboard, then I take the N800 out of range, it won't switch back to the OSK (at least sometimes) |
| 22:23.40 | dhd | even if I remove the BT keyboard from the Bluetooth configuration |
| 22:25.00 | czr | pickl1, did sbox work before? |
| 22:25.06 | czr | I mean, have you ever used it succesfully? |
| 22:25.44 | pickl1 | yes i had a helloworld going ok |
| 22:26.02 | czr | did you do anything after that? |
| 22:26.07 | pickl1 | and just built an app for x86 |
| 22:26.24 | czr | how did you install the ARMEL target? |
| 22:26.51 | pickl1 | just followed the instructions in the sdk |
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| 22:27.39 | czr | describe your environment |
| 22:27.59 | pickl1 | ubuntu gutsy with chinook first release sdk |
| 22:28.04 | czr | which arch |
| 22:28.15 | pickl1 | x86 |
| 22:28.16 | czr | also, do you still have the error (and was it verbatim copy pasted) |
| 22:28.36 | pickl1 | yes, is it ok to paste here? |
| 22:28.44 | czr | no |
| 22:28.53 | czr | can you pastebin the whole command invocation and output |
| 22:29.03 | pickl1 | pastebin? |
| 22:29.04 | czr | (not paste here, but use pastebin.org) |
| 22:29.19 | pickl1 | i'll have a look |
| 22:29.26 | czr | copy-paste it there, then press send, then give me the url here |
| 22:30.37 | pickl1 | cheers - its http://www.pastebin.org/15564 |
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| 22:31.40 | czr | try building a small C hello world in ARMEL side |
| 22:31.53 | pickl1 | will do |
| 22:31.57 | czr | if that works (and runs), the problem is in the software configure script |
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| 22:32.08 | czr | if hello world fails as well, then your setup is broken (somehow) |
| 22:32.43 | czr | lcuk_3, better pastebin than spamming channels |
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| 22:32.50 | lcuk_3 | 100% agree |
| 22:32.59 | lcuk_3 | its the retention period that bothers me |
| 22:33.17 | czr | you can switch the retention period |
| 22:33.29 | czr | although I guess no one does :-) |
| 22:33.32 | lcuk_3 | yer you know that and i do because we look, but lots dont |
| 22:34.03 | czr | I guess another issue would be storage space requirements |
| 22:34.12 | czr | although I don't know how pastebin is sponsored |
| 22:34.18 | lcuk_3 | as with all things |
| 22:34.33 | lcuk_3 | i tried looking when i started noticing links to it |
| 22:35.18 | pickl1 | czr: helloworld compiles ok |
| 22:35.31 | czr | pickl1, try a simpler autotools package then |
| 22:35.51 | czr | I'd guess there's a problem in the configure script of jive |
| 22:36.01 | czr | at least the command line looks very weird |
| 22:36.06 | czr | using --host and --target etc.. |
| 22:36.18 | czr | you're not supposed to need those in ARMEL target in sbox |
| 22:36.27 | pickl1 | it all built fine for x86 |
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| 22:36.36 | pickl1 | and ran in xephyr |
| 22:36.45 | pickl1 | is it normal to need two versions? |
| 22:37.19 | LinuxCode | meh |
| 22:37.32 | LinuxCode | why doesnt the email client find the right certificate |
| 22:37.33 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 22:37.38 | LinuxCode | I imported the certs |
| 22:41.18 | ds3 | dhd: any workarounds? |
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| 22:55.58 | czr | pickl1, two versions of what? |
| 22:56.15 | czr | pickl1, X86 is meant for development. the armel side only for final building (not testing) |
| 22:56.28 | czr | pickl1, although a lot of people build on arm and test directly on the device |
| 22:56.34 | czr | build on armel even. |
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| 22:57.14 | pickl1 | two versions of the makefile |
| 22:57.45 | czr | normally not |
| 22:57.52 | czr | depends on the build system that the project is using really |
| 22:58.17 | czr | projects that use autotools don't use makefiles normally (directly) or use automake or similar other tools |
| 22:58.33 | czr | and people who write makefiles fluently normally use only one makefile (but require GNU make or similar to run it) |
| 22:59.28 | JussiP | But autotools syntax is enough to make a grown man eat his own head. |
| 22:59.59 | cbx33 | what the heck.... |
| 23:00.04 | cbx33 | what card type fits in the n810 |
| 23:00.10 | cbx33 | I don't seem to have anything that fits |
| 23:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | minisd |
| 23:01.00 | cbx33 | GRRR |
| 23:01.11 | czr | mini-SD |
| 23:01.13 | cbx33 | now I have to buy a minisd one |
| 23:01.16 | czr | ah. I was late |
| 23:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | You didn't know this going in? |
| 23:02.01 | cbx33 | nope |
| 23:05.05 | LinuxCode | any of you guys using certificates to sign email on the N800 or N810 ? |
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| 23:06.42 | fri | cbx33, you could buy a MicroSD with adapter, to be sure to use it in other devices too |
| 23:07.21 | LinuxCode | cbx33, in the Uk you can get a micro one for £40 8GB |
| 23:07.22 | cbx33 | i just have sd cards |
| 23:07.30 | |tbb| | oh nokia announce .....something really bad |
| 23:07.34 | cbx33 | LinuxCode, will 8Gb work with the n810? |
| 23:07.37 | cbx33 | what? |
| 23:07.37 | LinuxCode | comes with sd adapter |
| 23:07.40 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 23:07.44 | LinuxCode | should do |
| 23:08.14 | LinuxCode | I will get one myself |
| 23:08.23 | LinuxCode | however, I still have loads of space here hehe |
| 23:08.31 | |tbb| | they closed a manufactory in bochum (germany) 2300 employers without work then. |
| 23:08.49 | LinuxCode | thats because Germans are too expensive... |
| 23:09.05 | LinuxCode | guess why Germanies economy aint good |
| 23:09.19 | LinuxCode | 35hour weeks and all lol |
| 23:09.42 | LinuxCode | not an economic reality Im afraid... |
| 23:09.57 | |tbb| | not all |
| 23:10.07 | LinuxCode | anyway |
| 23:10.11 | LinuxCode | HELP! |
| 23:10.12 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 23:10.30 | LinuxCode | imported certificates..and I dont get why the email client wont see them |
| 23:10.31 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 23:12.36 | pupnik_ | cbx33: alternate.de has kingston 4gb class 6 miniSD for 22 euro |
| 23:12.51 | pupnik_ | s/gb/GB |
| 23:12.54 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 23:13.24 | pupnik_ | i tried it out in the store |
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| 23:14.45 | hyphn | brb (not that i've actually said anything!) |
| 23:15.00 | LinuxCode | sweet fbreader can read chm |
| 23:15.02 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
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| 23:21.54 | jott | pupnik_: would you suggest to use the kingston? they also have a transcend that is supposed to do 7/8MB/s instead of 6/6MB/s... |
| 23:22.27 | pupnik_ | yes they did not have the transcend in stock, i was going to purchase it to do a speed comparison |
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| 23:23.22 | hyphn | are there any hardcore twitter'rs here? |
| 23:23.57 | jott | yeah i just got a 1gb card atm (and need a bigger one).. but the alternate prices seem quite ok.. |
| 23:24.00 | hyphn | i'm using my 700 |
| 23:24.28 | hyphn | 770, he, as my main twitter device |
| 23:24.50 | hyphn | wish th |
| 23:25.17 | hyphn | hate this on-screen k/b sometimes! |
| 23:27.01 | |tbb| | how can i change shortcuts of osso-browser like ctrl+l for open location to any other key |
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| 23:33.25 | ds3 | 9 |
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| 23:34.04 | ds3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:42.01 | pupnik_ | cool, i can start sdl games under os2008 with just a regular .desktop link |
| 23:42.47 | johnx | hmm...maybe I'll try to compile LTris then (unless someone has beaten me to it?) |
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| 23:45.55 | johnx | well...that was a painless compile |
| 23:46.00 | johnx | I wonder if it runs... |
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| 23:52.12 | lcuk_3 | does anyone know if the google gmail interface works well on 8x0? would it just be a case of changing the browser ident thingy |
| 23:52.13 | johnx | wow...that works great |
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| 23:53.07 | Esotic | howdy |
| 23:53.11 | johnx | lcuk_3, do you mean the default gmail interface? or the basic html interface? or the gmail interface for a different device? |
| 23:53.14 | johnx | Esotic, hi |
| 23:53.20 | Esotic | anybody know the exact processor model for the N800? |
| 23:53.41 | Esotic | I'm trying to investigate the architecture :) |
| 23:53.51 | LinuxCode | Esotic, its on nokias site |
| 23:54.01 | LinuxCode | same as n810 |
| 23:54.05 | lcuk_3 | john, google have released an interface specifically for iphone with big fonts and clearer layout for restricted size |
| 23:54.20 | lcuk_3 | they say just browse to it from the iphone |
| 23:54.28 | LinuxCode | lcuk_3, ehh |
| 23:54.32 | LinuxCode | iphone... |
| 23:54.39 | LinuxCode | dont need that on the N810 |
| 23:54.42 | lcuk_3 | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/14/google-unveils-new-iphone-interace-for-google-apps/ |
| 23:54.45 | johnx | lcuk_3, you didn't mention that at first :P |
| 23:55.06 | lcuk_3 | crap! i was sure i mentioned iphone at first sorry |
| 23:55.15 | johnx | no prob |
| 23:55.19 | lcuk_3 | i did on the first revision lol |
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| 23:55.33 | LinuxCode | why would you need that anyway ?!?! |
| 23:55.39 | LinuxCode | just set the zoom level |
| 23:55.47 | lcuk_3 | and if i set it to basic html it works well, but then every device with my login uses basic |
| 23:56.24 | lcuk_3 | i played with zoom and it was fiddly |
| 23:56.48 | lcuk_3 | so i just stick with everything on 100% (min font size adjusted though) |
| 23:56.51 | johnx | I find gmail imap to work great with modest |
| 23:57.39 | johnx | lcuk_3, http://mail.google.com/mail/x/ |
| 23:58.33 | johnx | hmm...actually I don't think that's the new one...but it's much faster |
| 23:59.37 | lcuk_3 | yer it is, its the total minimum one, but i will try it now |
