| 00:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | Where did you buy it? |
| 00:01.19 | hachi | okay, so over lunch today I tried to use my n810 to connect to the internet over GPRS through my phone |
| 00:01.28 | shack008n | Luria: what distro? |
| 00:01.30 | Luria | rcs experience |
| 00:01.38 | hachi | and I've got a new error |
| 00:01.50 | Luria | mid/high end computer store in manhattan |
| 00:02.00 | Luria | shack008n, its a custom xandros distrib |
| 00:02.14 | Luria | but i already have a big problem out of the box: |
| 00:02.28 | Luria | the wireless manager doesnt handle non dhcp networks |
| 00:02.31 | l7 | hrm, how do i put darwinports in my path again? |
| 00:02.42 | l7 | it's been like two years since i had it installed |
| 00:02.48 | hachi | "Connection failed to phone Delphine Angua von Überwald. Try again?"... and I know the two devices are paired properly because I can send files between the two of them just fine |
| 00:02.54 | hachi | anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 00:03.04 | Tama | I gave it (eeepc) a try and honestly OS2008 looks and works better... which says a lot ;-) |
| 00:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, your network setting are probably messed up |
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| 00:03.46 | hachi | Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Failed to open RFCOMM device. |
| 00:03.49 | hachi | Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Error: Connection refused (org.bluez.serial.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed) |
| 00:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe DUN isn't allowed on the phone. |
| 00:03.54 | hachi | GeneralAntilles: they were working yesterday |
| 00:03.59 | hachi | same exact phone |
| 00:04.01 | GeneralAntilles | With internet? |
| 00:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | Or just file transfer? |
| 00:04.17 | hachi | everything except SMS works on this phone |
| 00:04.20 | Luria | im going for eeexubuntu (god that name's gotta go) |
| 00:04.22 | hachi | from the computer |
| 00:04.39 | hachi | and the reason SMS doens't work is because motorola didn't implement that in their phone firmware |
| 00:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | What was "working yesterday"? |
| 00:04.51 | l7 | oh right, forgot about xcode |
| 00:05.21 | hachi | I was connected to the internet via GPRS through this exact phone, carrier, sim card, and location 24 hours ago |
| 00:05.27 | hachi | on my nokia n810 |
| 00:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | Could be a network issue. |
| 00:05.54 | GeneralAntilles | Well, maybe not. |
| 00:05.55 | hachi | note how I pasted the syslog |
| 00:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 00:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | try rebooting the both? |
| 00:06.05 | hachi | yup |
| 00:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | Something change. |
| 00:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know what |
| 00:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | maybe recheck all the settings on both sides. |
| 00:07.11 | hachi | already did |
| 00:07.16 | hachi | maybe I can rfcomm bind this myself |
| 00:09.22 | hachi | no rfcomm |
| 00:09.53 | hachi | what's DSME? |
| 00:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | Power management daemon. |
| 00:10.36 | hachi | it likes to throw errors rather often |
| 00:11.21 | hachi | Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 hcid[1064]: link_key_request (sba=00:1D:6E:D9:5B:3E, dba=00:18:A4:C8:8D:41) |
| 00:11.25 | hachi | Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 serial[1248]: connect(): Connection refused (111) |
| 00:11.25 | hachi | serial? |
| 00:11.46 | hachi | ahh, bluetoothd-service-serial |
| 00:14.07 | hachi | that's bluez-utils... that's open... grep the source |
| 00:21.21 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so, is the version 0.4b of backlight usable enough for you? |
| 00:21.35 | rm_you | i mean, if it was in a popdown instead of a menu, would you call that *done*? |
| 00:21.42 | rm_you | or is there more you'd like to see |
| 00:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 00:23.57 | rm_you | ... Sorry, yes to the first or second question? |
| 00:24.02 | rm_you | P |
| 00:24.03 | rm_you | :P |
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| 00:26.12 | dhd | wow, maemo-mapper seems to be way more useful than the built-in map program |
| 00:27.20 | rm_you | dhd: YES |
| 00:28.57 | rm_you | the ONLY thing i wish Maemo Mapper could do is read the vector based maps for the "Map" applicationb |
| 00:29.06 | rm_you | since it's like... 750mb for the entire western USA |
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| 00:29.19 | rm_you | versus 750MB for two large cities in Maemo Mapp' |
| 00:29.26 | rm_you | because it just stores googlemap jpgs |
| 00:29.32 | dhd | 5he keyboard on this n810 is a nice improvement over the N800, much easier to use for IRC :) |
| 00:29.36 | rm_you | heh yes |
| 00:29.44 | rm_you | well, packing up computer for shipping |
| 00:29.47 | rm_you | later! :) |
| 00:29.58 | dhd | oh i guess that makes sense |
| 00:30.36 | dhd | ha |
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| 00:50.20 | Tama | Bugzilla Bug 2489 |
| 00:50.20 | Tama | GMail IMAP hangs on message download |
| 00:50.22 | Tama | Opened: 2007-12-04 19:25 GMT+3 |
| 00:50.34 | Tama | UNCONFIRMED |
| 00:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | Is that for Modest or built-in? |
| 00:50.37 | Tama | (!) |
| 00:50.42 | Tama | built-in |
| 00:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | All the built-in stuff is basically WONTFIX |
| 00:50.58 | Tama | now... that was a month ago... |
| 00:51.16 | Tama | Is there anyone working on this stuff? |
| 00:51.33 | Tama | I mean at least bother flagging it as WONTFIX |
| 00:51.38 | Tama | geez |
| 00:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | UNCONFIRMED just means that somebody without CANCONFIRM or EDITBUGS didn't make it or mark it as NEW |
| 00:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, I don't know whether it's actually WONTFIX yet. |
| 00:51.54 | Tama | yes |
| 00:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just use Modest in any case. |
| 00:52.09 | Tama | yes, of course |
| 00:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | (or, also, that it wasn't voted) |
| 00:53.00 | Tama | but I was complaining about the apparent lack attention by who should take care of this stuff |
| 00:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's not hurting anybody being unconfirmed |
| 00:53.30 | Tama | sure except anyone using email and google will experience it |
| 00:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | Look at the state of the built-in app |
| 00:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | then look at the state of the built-in app's bugs. :P |
| 00:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | Right, which is why Modest will replace built-in. |
| 00:54.30 | Tama | BTW I do believe that the whole 'modest' becoming the new built-in client is totally unfounded |
| 00:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | They pretty much stated as much. |
| 00:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's called e-mail |
| 00:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | it's the same icon |
| 00:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | It uses notifications |
| 00:55.33 | Tama | does not use the same account settings (I think) |
| 00:55.42 | Tama | yes it's a good replacement |
| 00:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | and, yes, it will be replacing the built-in. :P |
| 00:55.58 | derf | That's okay, the old account settings sucked. |
| 00:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | Look at the .desktop file |
| 00:56.25 | derf | I mean, no IMAP folders? |
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| 01:02.57 | matmo | evening all. Need help: compiled a program on sb (armel target), copied to N810, set owner, group and permissions but still get "permission denied" (running from remote ssh client) |
| 01:03.21 | zerojay | Did you copy to your memory cards or /home? |
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| 01:03.47 | K`zan | Before I do something dumb, is this the correct command line for flashing the new 2008?: |
| 01:03.50 | K`zan | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 01:04.26 | matmo | to /usr/local/lib and sym link from /usr/bin |
| 01:05.31 | derf | Install strace. |
| 01:06.04 | matmo | derf: I'm new to this stuff, what will strace do for me? |
| 01:06.18 | timely | Tak: which products? |
| 01:06.22 | timely | (re:unco) |
| 01:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, K`zan. |
| 01:07.16 | derf | matmo: http://linux.die.net/man/1/strace |
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| 01:07.40 | derf | It'll tell you which call is returning permission denied. |
| 01:08.05 | matmo | ok, thks, checking the link now |
| 01:08.40 | K`zan | USB device found found at bus 004, device address 006 |
| 01:08.40 | K`zan | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 01:08.42 | timely | Tama: what GeneralAntilles meant is that the built-in *mail* client is basically EOLd |
| 01:08.53 | timely | other products theoretically get maintenance :) |
| 01:09.02 | Tama | ok :) |
| 01:09.34 | timely | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416222&cid=22019454 |
| 01:10.15 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 01:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, sudo flash . . . |
| 01:11.10 | K`zan | I am god :-) |
| 01:11.31 | K`zan | Ah, err no I was doing that as the mere mortal me - thanks :-) |
| 01:11.41 | K`zan | Do I need the -R at the end GeneralAntilles ? |
| 01:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | It restarts after flashing |
| 01:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | Not really, but it helps. |
| 01:12.12 | K`zan | OK I'll take anthing that helps :) |
| 01:12.58 | matmo | hmm, and where do I get strace? |
| 01:13.24 | timely | see gronmayer in topic? |
| 01:13.25 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks, notes modified :-) |
| 01:13.37 | matmo | ok, ta |
| 01:13.39 | timely | (if it isn't on the device already...) |
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| 01:25.31 | matmo | I'm getting "permission denied" trying to run strace :-) |
| 01:26.48 | matmo | tried to dump output to file, "strace: can't fopen 'trace.txt': permissiondenied |
| 01:27.18 | timely | did you try writing to / or something silly? |
| 01:27.21 | timely | try /tmp? |
| 01:27.28 | timely | what's the syntax you're using? |
| 01:27.31 | timely | strace -p ? |
| 01:28.34 | matmo | I was in the app directory. Now move to my data dir on mmc2. Now get: strace: exec: permission denied |
| 01:28.48 | matmo | s/move/moved |
| 01:29.17 | matmo | back to square 1, I can't run the exe |
| 01:32.26 | matmo | ls |
| 01:32.32 | matmo | (oops) |
| 01:34.26 | matmo | timely: sry, now checked and I do have a strace log, shows wrong target for exe. Investigating further |
| 01:36.31 | timely | -f is your friend? |
| 01:36.39 | matmo | well wooohooo, started using full exe path and it's running |
| 01:36.39 | timely | also, beware the evil fork |
| 01:36.55 | timely | if your victim is a nokia app, it's probably using an evil forking system |
| 01:36.56 | Tak | so, I can't find a way to use vala code with bora :-| |
| 01:37.07 | timely | which means you need to find the daemon process and probably trace it |
| 01:37.41 | matmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.01 | timely | anyway, -f and -p are your friends, the man page is your guide |
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| 01:38.28 | matmo | ok, thanks |
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| 01:43.22 | Tak | even if I pregenerate the C code |
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| 01:45.29 | esotic | hello |
| 01:45.34 | esotic | anybody home? |
| 01:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 01:46.50 | lcuk | timely, I almost fell off my chair when I read that |
| 01:46.58 | lcuk | (/. posting) |
| 01:47.25 | esotic | I got an N800 for Xmas and am trying to get the maemo SDK installed... anybody willing to help me through some troubles? |
| 01:47.45 | Tak | esotic: sure |
| 01:48.09 | esotic | my current issue is that I get a permission denied error when I try to run scratchbox, any ideas on how to resolve that? |
| 01:48.23 | esotic | bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied |
| 01:48.30 | matmo | nite all |
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| 01:48.51 | esotic | if i go straight to the /scratchbox/login is says the same thing |
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| 01:49.42 | SpComb | have you added your user as a scratchbox user and logged in again, as per the instructions? |
| 01:49.43 | l7 | dang, remote buddy is pretty cool |
| 01:49.48 | Tak | did you add yourself as a sbox user? |
| 01:49.57 | Tak | crap |
| 01:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | l7, it's even cooler with a Wiimote. |
| 01:50.11 | l7 | not as slick on then n800 as it would be on the iphone, but still cool |
| 01:50.13 | esotic | do i need to logout of debian or reboot or something? |
| 01:50.24 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: how does it work on the wiimote? it has no screen |
| 01:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth remot. :P |
| 01:50.35 | l7 | but if you could map all those buttons... |
| 01:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | *remote |
| 01:50.47 | Tak | esotic: log out and back in |
| 01:50.47 | l7 | ah |
| 01:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | the iPhone httpd is kinda a secondary feautre. |
| 01:50.54 | esotic | ok, brb |
| 01:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | *feature |
| 01:50.59 | esotic | thanks! :) |
| 01:51.28 | l7 | wow the wii has offical support |
| 01:51.50 | l7 | the neat thing about the ajax module is that you can control your mac from another room |
| 01:51.51 | Tak | where does one get an input driver for a cat? |
| 01:52.02 | l7 | what kind of cat? |
| 01:52.35 | l7 | i believe the sound of a can opener works nicely |
| 01:53.28 | Tak | hmm - why doesn't our perl have prename? |
| 01:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | Because it sucks? |
| 01:54.06 | petergunn666 | wots prename? |
| 01:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | alternatively: they're trying to sucker you into making it not suck. |
| 01:54.28 | Tak | perhaps, but I posit that it sucks less than nothing |
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| 01:55.38 | Tak | petergunn666: lets you do: prename 's/foo/bar/' *.bar , etc |
| 01:55.48 | scibot | I want "Everyone's Nintendo Channel" on the Wii already. |
| 01:56.03 | petergunn666 | Tak: havent heard of it - is it a perl6 thing? |
| 01:56.04 | esotic | Thanks, worked like a charm, i'm goign to continue working through the install instructions! |
| 01:56.34 | Tak | yes |
| 01:56.41 | timely | lcuk =) |
| 01:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | I want the "Nintendo Gives you Free VC Games" channel. |
| 01:56.56 | petergunn666 | if you just want to search and replace infile you can use -pi |
| 01:57.09 | scibot | ENC = Free DS Demo's |
| 01:57.23 | Tak | I want to mass-rename files |
| 01:58.05 | petergunn666 | I use metamorphose for that - dont think there is a n800 port tho |
| 01:58.19 | timely | prename should be a trivial perl one liner |
| 01:59.14 | petergunn666 | http://www.evolt.org/article/Renaming_Files_with_Perl/17/351/ |
| 02:00.01 | timely | perl -e 'sub _name { my $name = shift; $name =~ s/foo/bar/; return $name }; foreach my $file (@ARGV) { rename $file _name($file)' *.bar |
| 02:00.23 | timely | one typo included at no extra charge |
| 02:00.38 | timely | (, missing between file _name) |
| 02:00.56 | timely | not that you might rename barbie.bar to foobie.bar |
| 02:01.05 | timely | which is probably wot what you want |
| 02:01.09 | timely | s/wot/not/ |
| 02:01.10 | Tak | timely meant: which is probably not what you want |
| 02:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:01.26 | timely | s/tak/Tak/ |
| 02:01.47 | Tak | doesn't do actions :-P |
| 02:01.55 | timely | clearly? |
| 02:02.03 | timely | s/clearly./clearly!/ |
| 02:02.03 | Tak | timely meant: clearly! |
| 02:03.38 | Tak | Tak thinks timely meant: Inconceivable! |
| 02:03.39 | Tak | timely: s/cl(e)arly.*/Inconc\1ivable!/ |
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| 02:05.57 | K`zan | is map the same as mapper is the same as maemo mapper?!?? |
| 02:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" is different from Maemo Mapper. |
| 02:06.22 | K`zan | or is map the wayfinder thing and mapper == maemo mapper? |
| 02:06.35 | K`zan | Bloody confuzing ;-/., |
| 02:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" is the OS2008 built-in GPS program |
| 02:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | mapper is probably maemo mapper. |
| 02:07.05 | K`zan | "probably" LOL :-). I'll try it :-). thanks :-) |
| 02:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is 100x better than "Map". |
| 02:07.52 | timely | they're different! |
| 02:08.05 | K`zan | Would be nice if there was a flag that you could set to globally say "I don't care if it isn't a frugging nokia app", get tired of that. |
| 02:08.09 | cizarro | but still the same |
| 02:08.11 | K`zan | Yeap, map is crap. |
| 02:08.21 | K`zan | maemo mapper is *it* :-) |
| 02:08.23 | timely | K`zan: it's open source |
| 02:08.31 | timely | just download the source and get rid of that bit :) |
| 02:08.42 | Tak | hah |
| 02:08.42 | timely | cizarro: doesn't work |
| 02:08.51 | timely | nokia stuff that isn't from osso is marked as non nokia |
| 02:08.57 | timely | if you don't think that's confusing... |
| 02:08.57 | K`zan | Yeah, I trust the non-mokia stuff :) |
| 02:09.15 | cizarro | heh, I knew there was something hidden in all that logic :-) |
| 02:09.38 | shack008n | timely, is tthere a way to get rid of the contacts iccon on the left panel? |
| 02:09.43 | timely | yes |
| 02:09.49 | K`zan | The one thing I *am* sure of is that this whole IT thing is designed from the ground up to be as confusing as possible :-(. |
| 02:09.52 | timely | there's a .so file somewhere in the file system |
| 02:09.57 | timely | if it disappears, so does the button |
| 02:10.01 | cizarro | K`zan, it's been worse! |
| 02:10.06 | GeneralAntilles | Like magic! |
| 02:10.07 | timely | it's not particularly recommended, but i've done it |
| 02:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Will the tasks browser expand proportionally? |
| 02:10.23 | shack008n | timely; great!! |
| 02:10.26 | K`zan | cizarro: Yes, I know :-/. |
| 02:10.28 | timely | GeneralAntilles: no :) |
| 02:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, then there's no point. |
| 02:10.43 | K`zan | Glad I came in during the enlightened period - 2007 ;-) |
| 02:10.46 | timely | maybe you don't like the process using ram? |
| 02:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | Fine, fine. |
| 02:11.11 | shack008n | timely, will it also remove the default mail and chat clients? |
| 02:11.14 | cizarro | poor old ram. most people using it all the time.. |
| 02:11.21 | timely | shack008n: no, it's just a ui hook |
| 02:11.30 | shack008n | mkay |
| 02:11.34 | timely | but they might be slightly less likely to run constantly |
| 02:11.38 | K`zan | Food, bbl |
| 02:11.44 | timely | they have many hooks |
| 02:11.53 | timely | chat of course has a status bar hook |
| 02:11.55 | timely | no clue about mail |
| 02:12.01 | timely | it definitely has a launch hook in the normal menus |
| 02:12.16 | shack008n | i removed the chat sbar item tough |
| 02:12.26 | timely | define removed? |
| 02:12.46 | timely | rm -f? |
| 02:12.59 | timely | note: i really have no idea what the TN ui does |
| 02:13.02 | shack008n | disabled the presence icon from cpanel |
| 02:13.06 | timely | it might mean X isn't loaded |
| 02:13.11 | timely | or it might just mean X isn't visible |
| 02:13.28 | timely | for all i know, help says what it means |
| 02:13.34 | timely | but somehow,... i doubt that :) |
| 02:14.03 | shack008n | i'll kill go find the hookk anyway, tnx |
| 02:14.23 | K`zan | I swear these installs are so frucked up, nobody seems to know what anyone else is installing and doesn't trust it. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh |
| 02:14.40 | timely | K`zan: i'm sure your device knows |
| 02:14.47 | cizarro | or it soon will |
| 02:14.52 | K`zan | Apparently not. |
| 02:14.59 | cizarro | have fun :-) |
| 02:15.14 | K`zan | Guess I turn on red pill, install and trust to god because nokia sure isn't :) |
| 02:15.22 | shack008n | timelly, tablets are sentient now? |
| 02:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | What's the problem, K`zan? |
| 02:16.18 | K`zan | Should I just give up on the application manager? The apps never seem to be able to resolve dependancies... |
| 02:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's a repo issue. |
| 02:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | What dependency? |
| 02:17.10 | K`zan | xchat had three, I'm trying turning on red pill now... |
| 02:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Which xchat? |
| 02:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | Red pill wont fix it. |
| 02:17.39 | GeneralAntilles | The xchat in maemo hackers? |
| 02:17.43 | K`zan | Whichever one is in the application manager.... |
| 02:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | Because that's for 2007 |
| 02:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | Did it complain about libhildon0? |
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| 02:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | You want the xchat here: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 02:18.16 | K`zan | Oh god never mind, with red pill on it may finish loading in July :) |
| 02:18.40 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Yes, that was one of them. |
| 02:18.53 | K`zan | Thanks, checking |
| 02:19.36 | Tak | oh ffs, our xargs doesn't have -0 either? |
| 02:20.20 | timely | tak: busybox++ |
| 02:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | libhildon0 means it's OS2007. |
| 02:20.26 | timely | s/++/--/ |
| 02:21.26 | Tak | mine wants you to escape the + :-P |
| 02:22.03 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: That worked *thanks*! |
| 02:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | For future note: red pill is a pretty poor troubleshooting tool. ;) |
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| 02:23.45 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Yes, I know :-( |
| 02:24.10 | K`zan | Shotgun method of debugging, next comes tac nukes :) |
| 02:25.20 | timely | Tak: i figured :) |
| 02:26.58 | Tak | does anyone happen to know about the HE progress? |
| 02:27.12 | timely | in general, i think that's a secret |
| 02:29.13 | Tak | what about specifically? |
| 02:32.32 | Tak | I've determined that it's not possible to use vala with bora's glib |
| 02:34.31 | robtaylor | Tak: what's the problem? |
| 02:34.32 | Tak | ...which is a shame |
| 02:34.46 | Tak | the glib is too old |
| 02:34.53 | robtaylor | yeh, what's being used |
| 02:34.56 | robtaylor | ? |
| 02:35.11 | Tak | you mean what functions? |
| 02:35.13 | robtaylor | aye |
| 02:37.59 | Tak | rechecking |
| 02:40.05 | Tak | something that wasn't trivial (to me) to replace |
| 02:40.41 | robtaylor | Tak: we can always go ask juergbi if it's a stinker;) |
| 02:41.33 | robtaylor | wow 2.12 required :/ /me wonders what it is that's needed |
| 02:41.44 | Tak | he recommended pregenerating the C code, but that didn't work either |
| 02:42.00 | unique311 | los alamos |
| 02:42.16 | unique311 | ^^^^sounds like a greeting |
| 02:42.46 | Tak | hola, mis alamos! |
| 02:43.06 | unique311 | i don't like the mis in that one. |
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| 02:43.13 | Tak | unique311: want to test a gngeo prerelease? |
| 02:43.17 | unique311 | why not. |
| 02:43.25 | unique311 | you know i'm working on the frontend |
| 02:43.32 | Tak | gmail? |
| 02:43.32 | unique311 | xgngeo |
| 02:43.40 | unique311 | unique11210@gmail.com |
| 02:43.43 | Tak | why not xmaeme? |
| 02:43.55 | unique311 | not enough pref |
| 02:44.34 | unique311 | and the one i'm working on allows users that are not keen to config files to do alot of configuration |
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| 02:45.06 | unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI |
| 02:45.11 | unique311 | heres a vid of it |
| 02:45.11 | Tak | g_param_spec_gtype |
| 02:46.07 | unique311 | still working on freaking the menubar. I can't seem to add it to the hildon menu |
| 02:46.16 | Tak | well - I'd be happy to roll any required changes into xmaeme |
| 02:47.34 | unique311 | did you send the pre release yet? |
| 02:49.01 | Tak | working on it |
| 02:49.31 | unique311 | ok |
| 02:51.19 | unique311 | http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=3175 i think this would come in handy for n810 users. |
| 02:51.39 | unique311 | but i removed it for the build i'm working on. |
| 02:53.26 | robtaylor | Tak: hmm, a possible hack is to change that to g_param_spec_ulong |
| 02:53.28 | unique311 | got it |
| 02:54.42 | Tak | sent |
| 02:54.49 | Tak | hah |
| 02:54.51 | unique311 | recieved |
| 02:55.03 | robtaylor | Tak: and change the 4th add argument to 3 lines, min 0, max MAX_ULONG, default G_TYPE_INVALID |
| 02:55.36 | Tak | robtaylor: also for g_value_get_gtype ? |
| 02:56.03 | robtaylor | Tak: aye, a Gtype is justa ulong :) |
| 02:56.34 | robtaylor | (at least, it is on arm)( |
| 02:57.07 | jott | this should work for os2008 (n810), right (with obvious adjustments)? or is there a better tutorial? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ |
| 02:57.54 | Tak | mmm, I'll have to do that when I have a real kb ;-) |
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| 02:58.40 | unique311 | how do you remember how many taks to add to ur gmail. |
| 02:59.22 | Tak | it's ten |
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| 03:03.32 | unique311 | tak what am i looking for in this release |
| 03:03.36 | unique311 | plays like the other one |
| 03:03.56 | unique311 | my onscreen buttons are still MIA, |
| 03:04.06 | unique311 | i have to let it sleep in order for them to show up |
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| 03:05.05 | unique311 | 1 question how did you get speed to be so fast? |
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| 03:05.57 | Tak | damn - I was hoping to fix the damn buttons |
| 03:06.19 | Tak | it's fast because it has two cores in arm asm |
| 03:06.54 | Crooper | Is xine-ui ported yet? |
| 03:07.23 | unique311 | not sure what that means, but is it possible to do the same with the other emus available for the NIT |
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| 03:10.01 | unique311 | starts up fine, but still the onscreen buttons are MIA, for xmaeme and xgngeo |
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| 03:10.09 | Tak | possible, yes - can I do it, no |
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| 03:11.03 | packetlossmm | anyone getting upgrade flash message at youtube |
| 03:11.20 | Crooper | And also is anyone using vmac? |
| 03:12.22 | Tak | meh, something's goofy with chinook's dsp doubling |
| 03:12.30 | unique311 | Tak, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118047&postcount=29 |
| 03:12.47 | GeneralAntilles | packetlossmm, under OS2008? |
| 03:13.05 | packetlossmm | yes |
| 03:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Let me check |
| 03:13.19 | unique311 | was that the fix you tried out for this pre release |
| 03:13.53 | Tak | sort-of |
| 03:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, works fine over here, packetlossmm. |
| 03:14.57 | packetlossmm | hmm, i'll try again |
| 03:17.12 | K | How does one get rid of skype and rapsody from ther menu - they are onl.y installable?! |
| 03:17.23 | Tak | incidentally, does this happen with fceu? |
| 03:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | Either install them and uninstall them or remove their .desktops. |
| 03:17.50 | unique311 | don't have fceu installed |
| 03:18.00 | unique311 | but i can try it out. |
| 03:18.03 | unique311 | give me a sec |
| 03:18.12 | unique311 | it might just be my device, right. |
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| 03:19.55 | Tak | well, all I have is 770 |
| 03:20.07 | packetlossmm | ahh, got it. in components, flash and mediaplayer plugins were not checked |
| 03:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Poor Tak |
| 03:20.25 | Tak | I'm wondering if fceu on os2008 has the same prob |
| 03:20.52 | Tak | I like the 770 |
| 03:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's slow. |
| 03:21.08 | unique311 | you a dev, did you sign up for the dev discount? |
| 03:21.25 | Tak | ehh, my only issue is the storage |
| 03:21.43 | Tak | I got a discount |
| 03:22.12 | packetlossmm | yeah, it is too slow to really be playable for me, close tho |
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| 03:22.42 | unique311 | so get yourself an n810 already. |
| 03:22.51 | packetlossmm | lol, u probly meant the 770 |
| 03:23.28 | unique311 | the dev discount was fro the 770? |
| 03:26.53 | unique311 | Tak, fceu works.. |
| 03:26.54 | Tak | actually I got an n800 |
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| 03:27.11 | Tak | that's good, but wtf? |
| 03:27.12 | unique311 | onscreen buttons show up |
| 03:27.24 | unique311 | amazed on how well the game plays |
| 03:27.47 | unique311 | i'm having som mario flashbacks |
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| 03:36.17 | dospod | hey |
| 03:42.06 | dospod | whats the name of the beta ff browser for maemo |
| 03:42.59 | Tak | microb? |
| 03:43.19 | dospod | i thought that was default |
| 03:43.44 | dospod | i know mozilla has another beta browser with a full ui for maemo |
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| 03:44.15 | K`zan | How do I get rapsody out of the menu system? It seems to be neither installed or installable but for sure NOT deletable... |
| 03:44.17 | Tak | hmm - webkit? |
| 03:44.44 | dospod | idk but i hear it has a full ui and its mozilla based |
| 03:45.09 | unique311 | something fish |
| 03:45.14 | unique311 | swordfish |
| 03:45.21 | dospod | rhapsody-installer is also a app i think |
| 03:45.32 | esotic | How do I edit files inside scratchbox? |
| 03:45.36 | Tak | SoLongAndThanksForAllThe? |
| 03:45.42 | K`zan | dospod: I don't want either it nor its installer... |
| 03:45.55 | dospod | then uninstall it |
| 03:45.57 | Tak | esotic: you text editor of choice |
| 03:46.09 | dospod | in the application manager |
| 03:46.17 | Tak | Tak meant: esotic: your text editor of choice |
| 03:46.17 | Tak | s/you/\&r/ |
| 03:46.22 | K`zan | dospod: looked there, but will check again, thanks |
| 03:46.36 | esotic | hmmm... if i type gedit is says "command not found" |
| 03:46.47 | esotic | do I have to add paths to the environment? |
| 03:46.54 | Vulcanis | does anyone know what the d-pad and stuff are counted as for dosbox? |
| 03:47.01 | Vulcanis | I'd _like_ to be able to bind them to things |
| 03:47.07 | Tak | you might have to install it if it's not vim ;-) |
| 03:47.09 | Vulcanis | but not sure if it will work |
| 03:48.10 | K`zan | rapsody installer is installable, but I still don't find anything to get the installer out of the menu system... |
| 03:49.04 | dospod | uninstall it and it should go away |
| 03:49.11 | dospod | but im a linux newb |
| 03:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | dospod, you're thinking of the Minefield port. |
| 03:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, just install it then uninstall it. |
| 03:49.39 | K`zan | Wonder if you have to set red-pill mode to find it and then remove it ?!? |
| 03:50.18 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: That sucks to have to do it that way... Thanks, looks like I have no choice but to "install" it so they get credit. Errrr.... |
| 03:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | You can delete the .desktop |
| 03:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't remember off-hand where they all. |
| 03:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I use Rhapsody. :P |
| 03:51.34 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: I quit supporting the enterainment mafias some time ago now, indies only :-) |
| 03:52.10 | K`zan | Starting to consider no nokia warning to be a bad thing :-) |
| 03:53.08 | dospod | minefild it is |
| 03:53.25 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks! |
| 03:57.56 | dospod | im gonna try minefeild |
| 04:01.45 | dospod | its nice for beta so far |
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| 04:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda pointless, dospod. |
| 04:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB has the same engine. |
| 04:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's mostly just bloated and buggy. |
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| 04:28.39 | l7 | anyone know if it's possible to rotate the web browser 90 degrees? |
| 04:29.10 | l7 | it would be handy with Remote Buddy |
| 04:29.24 | l7 | a black background would make things slicker too |
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| 04:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | No, l7. |
| 04:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | Hildon just isn't designed for rotation. |
| 04:36.05 | sandyang | hi everybody:P |
| 04:37.16 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: that's too bad |
| 04:37.32 | l7 | i noticed that fbreader was capable of it |
| 04:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | Sort of |
| 04:37.46 | l7 | but i guess that's specific to it |
| 04:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | but moving one giant text block around is easier than moving a bunch of widgets around |
| 04:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | Truthfully, rotation will break most applications. |
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| 04:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe OS2010. ;) |
| 04:38.37 | l7 | i guess css wouldn't be able to help with rotation |
| 04:38.39 | l7 | heh |
| 04:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, rotating the website would probably be fairly straightforward |
| 04:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | but the toolbar and maybe the form/button widgets would be harder. |
| 04:39.34 | Tak | hah, resizing breaks most applications |
| 04:39.40 | l7 | maybe if the website weren't so ajax heavy |
| 04:40.11 | K-Fox | does n810 support the korea,japan language ? |
| 04:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | More or less |
| 04:40.29 | GeneralAntilles | have to install a font for it, though. |
| 04:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | The Chinese font includes Japanese, but I'm not sure about Korean |
| 04:41.38 | K-Fox | i am from korean |
| 04:42.30 | sandyang | K-Fox: From Korean? |
| 04:42.42 | K-Fox | if it is supported the korea font , i will buy n810 |
| 04:42.48 | K-Fox | yes |
| 04:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 04:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | You might take a look on the forums at internettablettalk.com |
| 04:43.39 | K-Fox | ok |
| 04:45.54 | sandyang | how much n810 in Korean |
| 04:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, if you put a font in there with Korean support, then the N810 will render Korean just fine. |
| 04:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | Input will require a 3rd party application. |
| 04:47.40 | K-Fox | it dont sell n810 in korea |
| 04:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Nokia hasn't been very big on support in Asia so far. |
| 04:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure why. |
| 04:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | There are a lot of Asian tablet users in here, though. |
| 04:49.12 | K-Fox | i am going to buy it through COMPUSA ,,other site |
| 04:49.14 | Tak | it certainly does seem that way |
| 04:49.38 | Tak | better hurry - compusa is going away pretty soon |
| 04:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't TigerDirect just buy CompUSA? |
| 04:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | That's gonna be a mess. |
| 04:59.38 | Vulcanis | mmhmm |
| 05:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | I should probably visit mine to see if they've got any good clearance stuff. |
| 05:04.45 | Tak | heh, some guys here said that it looked like the same prices, only with signs saying. "CLEARANCE!!!1~" |
| 05:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 05:12.48 | ds3 | the mapping app on OS2008 is disappointing |
| 05:13.00 | GeneralAntilles | You mean "Map" |
| 05:13.03 | GeneralAntilles | and, yes, that's true. |
| 05:13.17 | ds3 | yes, and it looks buggy |
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| 05:13.32 | ds3 | telling me I am doing about 100KPH when I have the settings for imperial units |
| 05:13.49 | ds3 | I do not need to start multipling numbers by 5/8 in my head as I drive!@#@!#@ |
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| 05:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Sad part is, they don't even really want to fix it. |
| 05:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | No bugzilla component. |
| 05:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | All contracted work. |
| 05:19.53 | K`zan | Simple solution :-), dump map install maemo mapper :). |
| 05:19.55 | ds3 | I hope the efforts to get roadmap or Navi hildonized get furhter |
| 05:20.23 | ds3 | maemo mapper has it is place but it is different; requiring online access for map is restrictive |
| 05:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | You're incorrect |
| 05:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | It requires no such thing. |
| 05:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | (why does everything think that?) |
| 05:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | Read the help, google, read ITT, read it's website. . . . |
| 05:20.49 | ds3 | it does if I don't plan ahead |
| 05:20.54 | K`zan | Err, I think not. |
| 05:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | How far do you drive in a day? |
| 05:21.06 | ds3 | I can't just say, give me the entire western US and dump it in the card w/o pissing off google, etc |
| 05:21.22 | K`zan | I plan ahead for it. Currentl got about 24 hours worth of maps coming in :). |
| 05:21.32 | K`zan | Again... |
| 05:21.37 | K`zan | After upgrading. |
| 05:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, I'm never not in one of two cities. |
| 05:21.39 | K`zan | OS |
| 05:21.41 | ds3 | my daily drive doesn't need GPS; it is my long road trips that does and those aren't that planned |
| 05:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | ~300MB of maps |
| 05:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | Has me covered. |
| 05:22.06 | K`zan | Big arsed chunk :). Comes from manually going to the places I want filled in. |
| 05:22.07 | ds3 | I do about about 12000miles/year; 4000-5000 of those are in areas I have not been to |
| 05:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | Download along route |
| 05:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | and download maps for the cities you'll be in. |
| 05:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | Will work fairly well. |
| 05:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | But these are the limits of bitmap maps. |
| 05:22.33 | ds3 | over GPRS? |
| 05:22.40 | K`zan | It would be nice to get maps like map - Western US, Eastern... |
| 05:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | Before you leave. |
| 05:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | or get 3g. |
| 05:22.47 | ds3 | yes, that's why I want vector mapping |
| 05:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | 3g phone is cheaper than "Map". |
| 05:23.09 | ds3 | I'll probally have maemo mapper on there still.. like I said, it ihas its place |
| 05:23.13 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, that'd be about 20GB-per for ok-zooming. |
| 05:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | John should just give it the ability to read the "Map" maps. |
| 05:23.41 | ds3 | and isn't using Google as the map data source still a gray area? |
| 05:23.59 | ds3 | or TIGER maps or OSM maps |
| 05:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | OSM maps are fine |
| 05:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | which is what's in there by default |
| 05:24.13 | ds3 | or SA maps ;) |
| 05:24.29 | GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt google cares. |
| 05:24.30 | ds3 | as I understand it, OSM isnt that complete in the US; TIGER is still being imported |
| 05:24.36 | K`zan | Yeah, I also have all zoom levels set, that is adding a CHUNK... |
| 05:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | OSM has about zero coverage in the US |
| 05:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need to go down below 5, really. |
| 05:24.56 | K`zan | Not sure how many or which ones are enough, but the fuzzies suck... |
| 05:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | 3 and lower is mildly stupid. |
| 05:25.13 | ds3 | one thing I think Maemo maps is good for is overlaying GPS on a scanned USGS Topo map |
| 05:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | Or google sat |
| 05:25.28 | K`zan | Ah, right I got to add topo again... |
| 05:25.31 | ds3 | yep |
| 05:25.48 | ds3 | but I still want a vector databased based mapped for roads |
| 05:26.08 | ds3 | SA has its problems, but it was quite usable on the Treo |
| 05:27.42 | ds3 | did I hear someone saying 32G SDHC cards will be around soon? |
| 05:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | Panasonic just announced some |
| 05:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm guessing March-ish. |
| 05:28.31 | ds3 | Hmmmm splurge now and get a 16G or wait... so many choices |
| 05:30.35 | Tak | mmm...64G N800 |
| 05:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 05:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | iTouch can burn in hell. |
| 05:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | and so can the N810 |
| 05:31.12 | l7 | why? |
| 05:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | Dual SDHC |
| 05:31.38 | l7 | they're nice devices |
| 05:31.42 | K`zan | And you aren't suck with a third rate gps aand camera... |
| 05:32.11 | l7 | yeah, i guess the n800 has a lot of storage potential |
| 05:32.17 | l7 | what would you do with all that storage? |
| 05:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | MEDIA |
| 05:32.23 | l7 | media server? ;) |
| 05:32.28 | K`zan | I'll let you know :) :-) :_) |
| 05:32.32 | ds3 | maps... TOPO/SAT |
| 05:32.46 | l7 | hrm, it might outclass the ipod classic soon |
| 05:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | Biggest reason why the N900 needs SDHC is that it'll probably be able to do 720p with that OMAP3 |
| 05:32.51 | l7 | well, someday |
| 05:33.11 | ds3 | Mmmmm OMAP3 |
| 05:33.20 | ds3 | Cortex :)~~~~ |
| 05:33.21 | l7 | n900 specs have been announced? |
| 05:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 05:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | But what else CAN they use? |
| 05:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | They're certainly not going Intel |
| 05:33.45 | K`zan | I think I'd go with an eee pc before an 810... |
| 05:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | and if they put another OMAP2 in there I'll kill them all. |
| 05:33.58 | Tak | why not intel? |
| 05:34.01 | ds3 | Heh? intel... turn on for 20seconds and the battery dies ;) |
| 05:34.06 | l7 | i hope the n800 continues to be compatible |
| 05:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | Whole platform is built on ARM? |
| 05:34.20 | Tak | intel mids seem to be surviving |
| 05:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | Aside from the fact that Intel's sub-mobile stuff just isn't ready for prime-time. |
| 05:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | What Intel MIDs? |
| 05:34.33 | ds3 | the 2430 isn't bad... better DSP |
| 05:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | The ones at CES? :P |
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| 05:34.44 | ds3 | K`zan: seen the WiBrain? |
| 05:35.48 | K`zan | No, I haven't. Sometimes I think there are too many choices... |
| 05:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Communism FTW! |
| 05:36.19 | l7 | Communism, or Apple |
| 05:36.53 | ds3 | WiBrain is like an N800 x86-ified |
| 05:37.14 | Tak | same thing |
| 05:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, l7. |
| 05:37.30 | GeneralAntilles | MARKET choices. :P |
| 05:37.39 | K`zan | I don't do intel, I prefer companies that have more engineers than lawyers :) |
| 05:38.03 | l7 | lol |
| 05:38.06 | l7 | the wibrain does have a nice keyboard |
| 05:39.18 | ds3 | EeePC/cloudbook would be more attractive if it had a touch screen |
| 05:39.30 | ds3 | (yes, I know there are mods) |
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| 06:56.22 | Delio | Hola |
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| 06:59.39 | Tak | buenas noches |
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| 07:03.07 | Epeloon | hi, is there a way to use LaTex on n800 with OS2008? Thanks. |
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| 07:20.31 | Delio | Hey anyone knows exactly what r&d mode for OS2008 mode does? |
| 07:25.58 | mbuf | do we need to move to vmware sdk appliance for maemo development, or is there qemu support for Maemo? |
| 07:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | Delio, turns off the root protection, allows you to turn it on without a delay and does some other stuff to the hardware watchdog. |
| 07:26.58 | Delio | thanks |
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| 07:27.14 | Delio | is the only option on or off? Or are tehre several flags? |
| 07:27.59 | Delio | I looked into the initfs and foind that rclinux tests for rdmode before enabling boot menu |
| 07:28.26 | Delio | I'd like to enable it but I want to know what are the other sideeffects first |
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| 07:29.59 | Delio | --set-rd-flags [arg] Set R&D mode flags on the device <--- which flags >.< |
| 07:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | Not much else |
| 07:30.14 | Delio | cannot find that piece of info anywhere |
| 07:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's on google |
| 07:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | I believe |
| 07:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's pretty mundane stuff. |
| 07:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | I don't remember it, and there's probably a reason. :P |
| 07:31.06 | pupnik | Don't turn it on unless you know exactly why you need it on. |
| 07:31.24 | pupnik | heya GeneralAntilles |
| 07:31.32 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, pupnik. |
| 07:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | How's life with a real device? :P |
| 07:31.44 | Delio | as I said I'd like to see a boot device selection menu at power up |
| 07:32.33 | pupnik | The speakers are a real letdown - dunno if they're defective. Mplayer loses sync on a lot of .flvs. Case got dented on the first day in my travel bag. |
| 07:32.48 | pupnik | Other than that it's incredibly cool. |
| 07:33.50 | pupnik | Also gonna get a spare battery pack. 770 seems to last a bit longer |
| 07:34.07 | pupnik | Dpad isn't as bad as I feared. |
| 07:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | Speakers on the N800 are really good |
| 07:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder. |
| 07:34.52 | pupnik | yeah they have a lot more room on 770 and N800 |
| 07:35.21 | pupnik | i mean, i can hear what's playing and stuff, but my 770 is a lot louder than the N810 |
| 07:35.37 | pupnik | and the 810 sound is highly distorted at all volumes |
| 07:37.50 | GeneralAntilles | That's pretty nasty. |
| 07:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | I think they sacrificed too much for a size reduction, personally. |
| 07:38.42 | pupnik | well i hear other people praising the N810 speakers a lot |
| 07:39.50 | pupnik | so i really can't say. I'm not going to return it (it serves its purpose - letting me test games/emus) |
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| 07:57.03 | Zic | hi |
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| 08:04.55 | Addison | Greetings everyone! Anyone here still conscious this late at night? :o) |
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| 08:10.51 | Lynoure | Addison: morning, 10, here. |
| 08:11.14 | Lynoure | I wonder if there is anywhere where I can leave a bounty for Evince for OS2008? |
| 08:12.00 | Addison | Where are you from that makes it 10 am Lynoure? |
| 08:12.10 | Lynoure | Finland :) |
| 08:13.05 | Lynoure | Isn't that almost the expected place for a person interested in Nokia Linux thing to be from, if they are on irc on top of that? :) |
| 08:13.40 | Addison | I didn't know Finland was really known for anything to be honest. :op |
| 08:14.06 | Lynoure | Nokia is from Finland, and so is Linux and irc |
| 08:14.25 | Addison | Well, shows you how much I know. |
| 08:14.56 | Lynoure | I guess quite many people think Nokia is from Japan =) |
| 08:15.47 | Addison | Well, I was hoping to just pick up on a few conversations here. I don't have really a first clue on what to do with my N800. |
| 08:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Addison, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F |
| 08:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 08:16.46 | jott | Addison: write an app for it that shows some random messages on what you could do with your spare time ;) |
| 08:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | "Get a life, jerkoff" |
| 08:17.12 | Lynoure | I use mine a lot for reading pdfs, thus I'll prolly need to flash it back to os2007 soon |
| 08:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | "Get off the couch and wash yourself, asshat" |
| 08:17.50 | Lynoure | and for web, and skype, and occasional ssh session |
| 08:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, the built-in PDF reader under OS2008 is pretty good, no? |
| 08:17.57 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: No. |
| 08:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | Much better than the OS2007 one, anyway. |
| 08:18.10 | Addison | Am I in a bad mood or am I picking up so weird negative vibes from somewhere? :o) |
| 08:18.37 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: it loads the next page way slower than Evince and makes it quite easy to accidentally switch pages. Then getting the previous one also takes long. |
| 08:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | You could always port it, Lynoure. :P |
| 08:18.53 | Lynoure | way slower = often 5s or so |
| 08:19.05 | Addison | Hey thanks for the link General! That was exactly what I was hoping for! |
| 08:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | Put that together a couple days ago. |
| 08:19.34 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: heh, if I ported it myself with my 0% maemo porting experience, it would be much wasted for the other people I know also wanting evince |
| 08:20.09 | Lynoure | I bet it would vacuum :) |
| 08:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | That would be pretty cool. |
| 08:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta like a Roomba? :P |
| 08:21.06 | Lynoure | Do people normally name their Roombas? :) Ours is called Lo |
| 08:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a 1st-gen with a dead battery. |
| 08:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | No name. |
| 08:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | I need to get a new battery for it. It'd be great for the apartment I'm in now. |
| 08:23.57 | Addison | What college do you attend GeneralAntilles? |
| 08:24.19 | GeneralAntilles | Florida State |
| 08:24.37 | Addison | So you party hard then? :o) |
| 08:24.43 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: but, if you point me to a good porting howto, I'll promise to at least look at it :) |
| 08:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | A little. ;) |
| 08:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, don't know of one. :D |
| 08:29.56 | pupnik | how to waste a morning, youtube "japanese prank" |
| 08:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 08:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, did you ever happen to feel out the 770's media limits? |
| 08:30.50 | Addison | Hey pupnik, how goes it? |
| 08:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | Specifically, MPEG4 at 240x320, what bitrate can it manage? |
| 08:31.29 | pupnik | not really, it's codec dependent |
| 08:31.38 | |tbb| | generalantilles: seen your post @ itt "But no, there is no hit with a large hosts. Instead of resolving the URL from a DNS server, it resolves from the hosts, which points nowhere." what does it mean? large host file is bad? |
| 08:31.43 | pupnik | but it handled all 'reasonable' bitrates here - like up to about 600 or so |
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| 08:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Means, the post wasn't very clear. :P |
| 08:32.16 | GeneralAntilles | Cool, thanks, pupnik. |
| 08:32.19 | Addison | Hey pupnik, you never answered my latest post in your Dosbox thread. I was asking you what the status was on that. |
| 08:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | a big hosts file has no speed impact |
| 08:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | It just checks there first before going to a DNS server |
| 08:32.45 | pupnik | uh well newer 0.72 with fixed pointer alignment should be up on my site |
| 08:32.54 | pupnik | s/pointer// |
| 08:33.20 | Addison | I also asked about what the approximate speed it runs at comparable to a computer. |
| 08:33.30 | Addison | Is is somewhere around 4 mghz? |
| 08:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | What runs at? |
| 08:33.45 | Addison | Is it somewhere around 4 mghz? |
| 08:33.58 | pupnik | on 770 about 4.77-8 mhz 8086, on 810 about 8-10 mhz 8086/80286 |
| 08:34.07 | Addison | Sorry, I'm a little drunk right now. I'd probably would have better luck typing with my feet. :o) |
| 08:34.22 | Addison | Thanks pupnik. That's all I was asking for. |
| 08:34.39 | Lynoure | Addison: don't worry, it could have been milligigahertz :) |
| 08:35.16 | pupnik | if we ever get a dynamic cpu recompiler for x86-arm the speed will go up a lot |
| 08:35.27 | Addison | So your done with your project of Dosbox? No more updates or things to look forward to? |
| 08:35.57 | pupnik | there's tons left to do |
| 08:36.14 | Addison | Have you gotten your 810 in the mail yet? |
| 08:36.17 | pupnik | a sdl-game launcher, savestates, accelerated 320x200 / 320x240 vga modes |
| 08:36.18 | pupnik | yes |
| 08:36.28 | Addison | Excellent! :o) |
| 08:37.10 | Addison | What kind of junk do you have running in Dosbox or don't you use it that much? |
| 08:37.14 | pupnik | also n810 keyboard support, and of course a decent one-click installer |
| 08:38.44 | pupnik | i played some ultima 5 and prince of persia and alleycat |
| 08:39.45 | Addison | How does prince of persia fair? Like does it run really chunky? |
| 08:40.13 | pupnik | on 770 with a tweaked dosbox.conf (frameskip, cpu cycles) it was just barely playable |
| 08:41.05 | ha1f | can sdl_media play mp3's on the n800/n810? |
| 08:42.00 | pupnik | dunno |
| 08:42.33 | ha1f | bummer. |
| 08:43.38 | unique311_ | dosbox is a game emu? |
| 08:43.58 | ha1f | it's a dos emulator in general afiak |
| 08:44.03 | pupnik | it's an x86 PC emulator with built-in dos shell |
| 08:44.57 | ha1f | does anyone know if there is anyway to play an mp3 in python on the n800/n810? pygame fails completely. |
| 08:45.44 | pupnik | if you install gstreamer tools/utils, you can play a mp3 with a system call |
| 08:46.31 | pupnik | which is kind of nice because it'll use the dsp instead of cpu |
| 08:46.54 | ha1f | will i have control over the mp3, or will it just play after the call? |
| 08:46.57 | jott | pupnik: speaking of ultima, would you like to update your port for os2008 or put the original diff somewhere? |
| 08:47.07 | jott | (exult) |
| 08:47.24 | pupnik | wanna help work on exult?! :) |
| 08:47.38 | jott | why not :) |
| 08:47.42 | pupnik | wooo |
| 08:49.02 | pupnik | just a minute |
| 08:49.19 | jott | mh can someone reproduce: in the chinook sdk run "rpcgen", i'll get "/scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 08:49.56 | jott | (with armel selected) |
| 08:53.38 | |tbb| | is there a known way to send sms with n810 from skype account? |
| 09:05.40 | Lynoure | Hmm, even my desktop skype does not seem to offer sms |
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| 09:06.42 | |tbb| | mine does |
| 09:07.50 | ha1f | sms, or chat? i've never noticed an sms feature... |
| 09:08.09 | Lynoure | |tbb|: Where? on which version? |
| 09:08.46 | ha1f | oh wow it does have that feature |
| 09:08.51 | ha1f | http://www.skype.com/help/guides/sms.html |
| 09:09.12 | ha1f | don't see it on my n800 though :\ |
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| 09:10.10 | Lynoure | On this Linux skype I don't even have a Tools menu |
| 09:10.17 | |tbb| | ha1f that's my problem |
| 09:10.24 | Lynoure | and it is the latest beta there is. |
| 09:11.37 | Khertan | jott: same thing here |
| 09:11.54 | Khertan | Hi |
| 09:12.00 | jott | thanks for testing.. |
| 09:12.17 | Khertan | Someone know how can i make a transparent gtk label ? |
| 09:12.51 | jott | any idea how i can fix this? (i.e. force arm based rpcgen or create this alien_bin dir)? |
| 09:12.58 | |tbb| | i wonder why skype doesnt offer this service on maemo or even on website |
| 09:13.10 | Khertan | i mean a gtk.Label with a trasparent background |
| 09:13.25 | Lynoure | |tbb|: do they offer it in some Linux skype? If so, which one? |
| 09:13.55 | Khertan | jott: don't know sorry |
| 09:13.57 | Lynoure | Not that their sms prices are any less than normal sms prices here :) |
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| 09:15.24 | |tbb| | your right no sms on nix xsytems |
| 09:17.38 | Khertan | i like the pygtk faq |
| 09:17.39 | Khertan | 13.42. How do I show a picture (image) in a treeview background or exist any way how to set treeview (and window with treeview) as transparency ? |
| 09:17.43 | Khertan | R U KIDDING ME? |
| 09:17.53 | Khertan | this is their answer |
| 09:18.01 | Khertan | very helpfull |
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| 09:50.21 | Addison | Hey pupnik, are you still here? |
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| 09:56.21 | |tbb| | inz, generalantiles found a way now,thx to #bash printf '\033c\033[!p\033[?3;4l\033>' |
| 09:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | Cool |
| 09:58.42 | |tbb| | yeah :) |
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| 10:12.53 | Khertan | does source of available home applet in 2008 are available somewhere |
| 10:13.00 | Khertan | ? |
| 10:13.13 | pupnik | jenesaispas |
| 10:13.32 | pupnik | hi Addison |
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| 10:14.18 | melmoth | Khertan: apt-get source ? |
| 10:14.31 | Khertan | hum ... don t see it ... |
| 10:14.37 | Khertan | in apt-cache |
| 10:14.39 | Addison | Oh hey! I wanted to ask you if you are able to get any music or sound in Dosbox? |
| 10:19.18 | melmoth | Khertan: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo |
| 10:19.46 | melmoth | now, i remember there was also this video presentation about the pythn pluggin and a hello world with it, but i forgot the url |
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| 10:29.00 | melmoth | http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ |
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| 10:48.04 | UCLAgeek | is anyone out there? |
| 10:49.12 | pupnik | In the epistemological sense? |
| 10:49.44 | UCLAgeek | heh |
| 10:49.56 | UCLAgeek | In any sense I suppose |
| 10:50.23 | UCLAgeek | I'm trying out KDE on the n 800 |
| 10:50.51 | pupnik | how's it working for you? |
| 10:51.12 | UCLAgeek | good so far, have you seen/tried it? |
| 10:54.34 | UCLAgeek | hmm |
| 10:57.45 | Khertan | melmoth: yes i ve saw this video ... but what i m looking is writing text with transparent backgroud :) |
| 10:58.17 | Khertan | melmoth: i ve already one plugin which work ... but it lack transparency |
| 11:00.11 | Khertan | melmoth: and if i understand the source in the wiki ... it s not a transparent widget too ... :' |
| 11:01.49 | melmoth | hmm. I never tryed to do any transparent stuff. |
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| 11:09.37 | Khertan | melmoth: me too ... but needed for a home applet :) |
| 11:21.59 | Cptnodegard | anyone have any idea how to change colors for GPE summary? |
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| 11:27.09 | pupnik | haha nice.. the idling n810 got disconnected from my wep wlan and gave a system sound |
| 11:27.21 | pupnik | so i fired up kismet on the 770 and found someone blasting deauth packets |
| 11:28.30 | pupnik | probably the neighbor kid |
| 11:29.20 | pupnik | kudos to nokia for making OS2008 play a sound when it loses connection :) |
| 11:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | Did you hax his box? :P |
| 11:30.19 | pupnik | no, not interested in that kind of game |
| 11:30.28 | GeneralAntilles | Redirect all all his DNS requests to the NSA's website. |
| 11:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | *of |
| 11:32.23 | pupnik | hmrm |
| 11:32.40 | pupnik | if I set up hostAP i think there will be no ssid broadcast |
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| 11:32.52 | pupnik | or just do usb networking for now |
| 11:33.18 | lcuk | mornin folks |
| 11:34.39 | pupnik | huhu |
| 11:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Switch to WPA2 |
| 11:37.40 | lcuk | i have a compiling question... i can code and run python quite happily now with my windows based editor and scp copying, but if i need a c module compiling i am stuck. is it possible to compile directly on the device? i know its impractical for big jobs but for what i need it would be benificial |
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| 11:50.59 | melmoth | lcuk: it supposed to be possible, but i never try it. |
| 11:53.11 | lcuk | melmoth, i suppose i will try it then, its just everything ive read was geared to scratchbox which seems like an awful lot just for small mods |
| 11:53.47 | lcuk | i will document my trials and see where i get up to :) |
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| 12:00.04 | melmoth | if you dont need anything fancy, scratchbox install and works easily |
| 12:01.11 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 12:01.26 | pupnik | the wiki still links to the 42-18 os2008 |
| 12:01.35 | pupnik | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:01.39 | pupnik | where is the newer one |
| 12:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ? |
| 12:03.14 | lcuk | mel - i have windows desktop - since i have a linux box in my hand i would have thought i could do it directly on here. i will be finding out later |
| 12:03.26 | pupnik | sorry stupid question |
| 12:04.21 | pupnik | (entering your code leads to a page with three images) |
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| 12:04.28 | lcuk | pupnik its not a stupid question if the wiki is out of date and you are trying to follow its instructions |
| 12:05.00 | pupnik | well it's rather irrelevant since after entering code, you see all versions available |
| 12:05.12 | mbuf | where can i get the source code for qemu for Maemo? |
| 12:05.21 | pupnik | wiki should just link to the link GeneralAntilles referenced |
| 12:05.29 | lcuk | agreed |
| 12:05.31 | GeneralAntilles | Fix it, then. |
| 12:07.24 | lcuk | i think i need to start joining all these clubs |
| 12:08.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 12:09.46 | lcuk | omg jaffa im so sorry i think i am eating your brother right now |
| 12:09.47 | timely | Jaffa: what problems? :) |
| 12:10.02 | Jaffa | lcuk: small ones are more juicy, naturally |
| 12:10.15 | timely | Jaffa: afaict people still use mine and it still works :) |
| 12:11.27 | Jaffa | timely: not that problem, the whole "lets have lots of them and it's not a problem for the users cos it's so easy for us devs" problem kinda thing |
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| 12:12.25 | lcuk | jaffa - one repo to rule them all - one repo to bind them |
| 12:12.44 | timely | lcuk: and in the darkness only gronmayer will find them |
| 12:12.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:13.23 | timely | Jaffa: step one: shoot all the devs |
| 12:13.26 | timely | step two: ... |
| 12:13.36 | Jaffa | step three: profit! |
| 12:13.39 | lcuk | actually, in the (minimum setting nokia decides is darkness) only gronmayer.... |
| 12:14.16 | timely | oh right, i forgot that step |
| 12:14.19 | Jaffa | Reminds me of the old MS joke: How many Microsoft developers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just define dark as the new industry standard and move on. |
| 12:15.06 | lcuk | in soviet russia, darkness defines YOU! |
| 12:18.04 | Lynoure | heh |
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| 12:22.59 | pupnik | gronmeyer's addition of one-click install for the various repos is quite nice |
| 12:23.13 | [pablo] | is there an rss feed somewhere of latest updates on maemo.org/downloads ? |
| 12:24.25 | [pablo] | nevermind, browser was being lame and not detecting it right, i found it |
| 12:32.01 | Jaffa | pupnik: doesn't help with the lack of QA and the fact there's conflicting software between the repos. |
| 12:32.43 | timely | Jaffa: do you know how to get hardware details from /proc? |
| 12:32.53 | Jaffa | h/w details on what? |
| 12:33.07 | Jaffa | s/on/of/ |
| 12:33.19 | timely | essentially the tablet's hardware build identifier |
| 12:33.28 | timely | there are theoretically different versions of the hardware |
| 12:33.43 | Jaffa | Hmm, I've seen it mentioned somewhere; but can't remember the details. |
| 12:33.46 | alterego | timeless, you mean RX44 etc ? |
| 12:33.49 | timely | no |
| 12:33.54 | Jaffa | Ah. Mrs Jaffa calling: lunch ready. |
| 12:34.02 | timely | more granular |
| 12:34.21 | alterego | Going buy RX44 is the best way imo |
| 12:34.38 | alterego | That is the device's hardware name. That's it's profile. |
| 12:34.42 | timely | alterego: so, for a given model, e.g. the 770 |
| 12:34.48 | timely | there is more than one hardware version |
| 12:34.53 | timely | they're going to look the same |
| 12:34.59 | alterego | So? |
| 12:35.02 | timely | but they would have slightly different hardware components |
| 12:35.05 | Khertan | [pablo]: browser isn't lame ... it the page source which lame ... |
| 12:35.09 | timely | and if some of the components are flakier than others... |
| 12:35.25 | alterego | Hmmm. |
| 12:35.33 | [pablo] | Khertan: well, flock didn't recognize it but firefox did |
| 12:35.53 | Khertan | [pablo]: huh ? my firefox didn't |
| 12:35.59 | timely | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.07 | timely | e.g. i have su-18/1602 |
| 12:36.15 | timely | the 1602 being the interesting part |
| 12:36.36 | alterego | Yeah, that's probably more like what you're looking for. |
| 12:36.38 | timely | Jaffa: i ask because for 2673, it'd be nice to know which versions people have |
| 12:36.40 | [pablo] | Khertan: really? gave me the rss icon in the url bar and clicking on it provided3 feeds, 1 feed each for 2008/2007/2006 |
| 12:36.43 | alterego | hw-build etc. |
| 12:36.55 | timely | alterego: i'm not asking because i don't know, i'm asking whether he new |
| 12:37.04 | timely | and then spreading some information virally :) |
| 12:37.10 | alterego | Ah |
| 12:37.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:37.32 | timely | go forth and multiply or something |
| 12:37.53 | alterego | Not sure that's possible, both being guys and all :P |
| 12:39.17 | timely | alterego: virii reproduce asexually |
| 12:39.20 | timely | no problem there |
| 12:39.29 | lcuk | khertan, bug report, editor still does not allow tap open of files from file manager, but will now open if i select app from the list. however it opens 2 tabs a blank code window and the file i selected |
| 12:40.17 | lcuk | ie tap file says unable to recognise file search for an app to open it |
| 12:41.03 | lcuk | i select pygtked and it opens with the file then |
| 12:41.13 | Khertan | lcuk: hum ... yes ... mime type ve been deleted in this release ... because it s not finished :) |
| 12:42.04 | lcuk | thats fair enough, just thought i would let you know. i have been more able to use it now with the indenting. ty |
| 12:42.24 | Khertan | so it filemanager say that it don't recognize the file ... but if u select pygtkeditor it open it ... this wasn't the case in previous release ... |
| 12:42.30 | Khertan | and ... Thanks for your report |
| 12:43.02 | lcuk | no, previous release from repo just opened it with no file |
| 12:43.03 | Khertan | lcuk: for information i ve successfuly use python binding for hildon desktop ... |
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| 12:43.21 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:43.37 | Khertan | and i ve one home plugin which work ... but now i m trying to do it more ... cool ... (transparent mainly) |
| 12:43.55 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:44.07 | lcuk | brb |
| 12:44.12 | Khertan | brb too |
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| 12:45.59 | ulises | aye up chaps |
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| 12:48.01 | lcuk | can 8x0s overheat if you lay them on top of a pillow? i was sat with it on a pillow on my knee and i notice its warm |
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| 12:52.02 | hugolp | anyone knows where I can find mysql-client for OS2008? |
| 12:52.10 | hugolp | renatofilho^: you arround? |
| 12:52.12 | pupnik | i doubt they overheat lcuk |
| 12:53.05 | ciccio124 | !list |
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| 12:53.46 | lcuk | i doubt it too, but it was just a thought |
| 12:54.56 | lcuk | on the slippery back subject, does anyone know where i can get a big sheet of sticky back rubber - like a massive tyre puncture repair patch |
| 12:55.24 | lcuk | i want to coat the entire back of my 810 so it grips better |
| 12:56.15 | jeddy3 | lcuk isn't there some kind of paint/spray that would work? |
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| 12:57.46 | lcuk | i dunno, the best i have found is a puncture repair thing ive got a couple stuck on the left hand side but they keep coming off - but at least with a a patch i can take it off again if i want to sell it. with paint i cant |
| 12:57.52 | ulises | anyone tried XFCE on the 770? |
| 12:58.51 | ulises | I just got mine and I'd like to start messing about with it |
| 13:01.21 | lcuk | ulises people have diff desktops compiling on diff models (think kde is latest) but ive not heard of xfce . have you tried a google? |
| 13:01.35 | ulises | tried indeed |
| 13:01.48 | ulises | my question was more aimed at porting different WM to the tablet |
| 13:01.52 | ulises | such as fluxbox |
| 13:02.00 | ulises | just compiled it and it works |
| 13:02.26 | ulises | integration is far from acceptable, but that's me blindly killing matchbox and running fluxbox |
| 13:02.45 | ulises | so I was more asking for documentation on how to replace the default desktop with your own |
| 13:02.57 | ulises | sorry if I asked the wrong question :) |
| 13:03.33 | lcuk | np i just looked and some1 aappears to have xfce runnin |
| 13:04.08 | pupnik | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110 Bruce Schneier on why he runs an open wireless network |
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| 13:05.17 | pupnik | ulises - check internettablettalk.com for xfce examples |
| 13:05.45 | ulises | cheers pup |
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| 13:10.57 | ulises | aaah, openbox ... nice |
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| 13:24.58 | czr | mornik |
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| 13:27.56 | Lynoure | czr: Hello :) |
| 13:28.09 | czr | hey Lynoure, long time :-). |
| 13:28.46 | Lynoure | czr: Would you happen to know any howto for getting os2007 apps to work for os2008 or just getting stuff os2008-happy? I'm having evince withdrawal symptoms |
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| 13:29.47 | czr | hmm. the mailinglist had some stuff about problems with evince (I think for 2008) |
| 13:30.22 | czr | as for the other stuff, yes, I'd know something, but that's mostly to do with API changes and different names for libs (hildon and such) |
| 13:30.44 | czr | mind you, I just came back from a one month vacation during which I thought about maemo for exactly zero times :-) |
| 13:31.03 | Lynoure | I have not even seen evince for os2008. Even problematic one might be ok. |
| 13:31.07 | Lynoure | Yey :) |
| 13:31.20 | czr | let me check the ml what the thing was there.. |
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| 13:33.03 | czr | search for "Build Evince on Maemo" from 2008-01-07 (from Ed Bartosh) |
| 13:33.14 | czr | I think someone is doing a 2008 port as we speak (will go into garage) |
| 13:33.37 | czr | Lynoure, the ml archives are available on maemo.org (look under the "Lists" section) |
| 13:33.52 | czr | seems that evince needs some amount of patching anyway |
| 13:34.02 | czr | and those patches were never pushed upstream since they were maemo-specific |
| 13:35.35 | Lynoure | czr: a bit too complicated for a maemo newbie then, maybe. |
| 13:35.53 | czr | Lynoure, probably. however, you might want to sub to the ml to see when evince is ready :-) |
| 13:36.05 | czr | or just contact the people directly who are doing the port |
| 13:36.09 | czr | they might want some help :-) |
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| 13:36.41 | czr | if one has working bora sw, porting that to chinook normally isn't all that hard |
| 13:37.04 | Lynoure | czr: I could contact them and offer 10 euros for their refreshment budget |
| 13:37.37 | czr | :-) |
| 13:38.19 | Lynoure | I was quite happy with the old evince for os2008. It would not open every pdf, but that was ok |
| 13:38.38 | czr | I honestly haven't used my devices for anything |
| 13:38.53 | czr | during my vacation I started my N00 exactly once |
| 13:38.55 | Lynoure | How was the vacation? :) |
| 13:39.01 | czr | very relaxing :-) |
| 13:39.17 | czr | ah yes, warm too :-) mostly. |
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| 13:59.41 | Jaffa | timely: FWIW, I've got hw-build 0801 on mine. Mrs Jaffa's is downstairs so can't check hers |
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| 14:58.20 | zoran | some soul uses dict app on the gadget with dictd server on the net? |
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| 15:23.35 | |tbb| | how can i easy list date of files in this format dd.mm.yyyy ? something like ls -al myfilename |
| 15:24.49 | zoran | if I recall well, date command should be set with "+" and including [] |
| 15:25.05 | zoran | what shell? |
| 15:26.42 | |tbb| | yes shell |
| 15:26.53 | zoran | hm? |
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| 15:35.27 | petergunn | in gnu ls you can use --time-format but it wont work with busybox |
| 15:35.50 | petergunn | oops --time-style :-) |
| 15:36.23 | petergunn | perl script is probably easiest way |
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| 15:37.22 | zoran | the most simple way would be to set time format as variable |
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| 15:37.49 | petergunn | does that work with busybox? |
| 15:38.19 | zoran | dunno really |
| 15:38.43 | zoran | I cannot guess what the very purpose should be |
| 15:40.55 | zoran | someone has idea how to from imap send mail, as reply or intependently? |
| 15:43.14 | petergunn | for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[10]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],1+@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done |
| 15:43.38 | petergunn | output... |
| 15:43.39 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2 |
| 15:43.39 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb |
| 15:43.39 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb |
| 15:43.39 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb |
| 15:43.39 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img |
| 15:43.40 | petergunn | 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img |
| 15:45.37 | petergunn | lolz - dates were wrong - here is fixed version... (uses file mod time)... |
| 15:45.47 | petergunn | for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done |
| 15:46.05 | petergunn | 12.29.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2 |
| 15:46.05 | petergunn | 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb |
| 15:46.05 | petergunn | 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb |
| 15:46.05 | petergunn | 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb |
| 15:46.05 | petergunn | 01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img |
| 15:46.06 | petergunn | 01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img |
| 15:46.10 | petergunn | ls output... |
| 15:46.36 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 308317552 Dec 29 00:48 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2 |
| 15:46.36 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 308122 Jan 8 21:10 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb |
| 15:46.36 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 21260684 Jan 8 22:31 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb |
| 15:46.36 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 510548 Jan 8 21:16 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb |
| 15:46.36 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 1342177280 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/local.img |
| 15:46.37 | petergunn | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 134217728 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/swap.img |
| 15:46.42 | zoran | date should be corrected, day first, as original poster wanted |
| 15:46.59 | petergunn | ah ok... |
| 15:47.16 | petergunn | for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",@t[3],@t[4],1900+@t[5];' $f; done |
| 15:47.23 | petergunn | 29.11.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2 |
| 15:47.58 | zoran | and sorting in 3 loops, prom year, to month, to day |
| 15:48.02 | zoran | *from |
| 15:48.13 | |tbb| | petergunn thx, but that wasnt what i want i just wanted to know if there is an easy way without doing loops etc |
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| 15:48.24 | |tbb| | -perl |
| 15:48.29 | zoran | yes, lemme check some old cd |
| 15:48.34 | petergunn | if you output YYYY-MM-DD you can just use sort cmd |
| 15:49.54 | Jaffa | Right, grand plan unveiled on maemo-dev. Time to decamp to the sofa for a cuppa. |
| 15:50.39 | zoran | $(date +%d-%m-%Y) |
| 15:50.42 | pupnik | there's a very nice vi build from bsd avail at abour 200kB |
| 15:50.56 | pupnik | stock linux vim is a bloated whale at ~5MB |
| 15:51.26 | petergunn | zoran: nice - I didnt realize that ash was that capable :-) |
| 15:51.39 | zoran | I used it for tcsh |
| 15:51.53 | zoran | now, lets see old cd |
| 15:53.56 | petergunn | for f in /media/mmc2/*; do date -r $f +"%d-%m-%Y $f"; done |
| 15:53.56 | petergunn | 29-12-2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2 |
| 15:53.56 | petergunn | 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb |
| 15:53.56 | petergunn | 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb |
| 15:53.56 | petergunn | 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb |
| 15:53.57 | petergunn | 12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local.img |
| 15:53.59 | petergunn | 12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img |
| 15:54.23 | petergunn | nice :-) |
| 15:54.34 | zoran | I cannot recall the app that trims parts of the line |
| 15:54.51 | zoran | used it years ago and forgot |
| 15:55.09 | petergunn | what u wanna trim? |
| 15:55.26 | zoran | parts of output so | could make a job |
| 15:55.37 | zoran | cut maybe |
| 15:55.49 | zoran | yes, it is |
| 15:55.52 | zoran | and -d |
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| 16:09.49 | alterego | Anyone know if the N95 has a memory card slot? |
| 16:12.23 | kaltsi | yes it has |
| 16:12.26 | kaltsi | microSD |
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| 16:21.37 | Khertan | Hi ... again ... |
| 16:21.47 | Khertan | maybe some gtk guru can help me ... |
| 16:22.09 | Khertan | i ve made a plugin with only a gtk.Frame in ... |
| 16:22.15 | Khertan | but this frame is blank ... |
| 16:22.26 | Khertan | how can i set the alpha or transparency ? |
| 16:24.51 | alterego | I'm still suprised no-one has packages wireless tools yet. |
| 16:26.49 | alterego | Okay .. Maybe someone has ^_^ |
| 16:28.19 | L0cN800 | i have wirelesstools installed |
| 16:29.22 | Khertan | alterego: it s already released ... but still useless |
| 16:29.23 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:29.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:30.12 | Khertan | is there a chan somewhere where i can find gtk guru ? |
| 16:30.34 | alterego | irc.gnome.org ##gtk+ |
| 16:30.43 | Khertan | hum ... thx alterego |
| 16:30.52 | Khertan | come back later ... |
| 16:30.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:31.12 | Khertan | (i need to learn how to use irssi on multiple servers) |
| 16:31.23 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:33.59 | alterego | iwconfig appears to work on my N810 .. |
| 16:35.30 | LoCusF | heck, gotta get a E51 this year |
| 16:36.25 | Khertan | iwconfig ? for setting mode monitoring ? |
| 16:36.32 | Khertan | for setting MAC address ? |
| 16:36.37 | |tbb| | khertan why i t should be useless= |
| 16:36.54 | |tbb| | sed /=/?/ |
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| 16:38.18 | Khertan | |tbb|: because setting something with it in the n800 in os2007 make the private driver not work properly |
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| 16:38.23 | alterego | Well, whatever I've done I've broken it :P |
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| 16:38.42 | alterego | I tried to set it to monitoring mode. |
| 16:38.53 | alterego | Tried but failed. |
| 16:38.59 | Khertan | arg .... |
| 16:39.23 | |tbb| | hmmh |
| 16:39.58 | |tbb| | what u mean with private driver |
| 16:42.15 | alterego | It's not all a loss though. I'm going to compile the driver for my ZD1211 based USB dongle :) |
| 16:42.31 | Khertan | this gtk/transparency problem will me make crazy ... |
| 16:42.45 | alterego | Khertan, I did know how to do it. But I've forgotten sorry :/ |
| 16:42.59 | Khertan | alterego: grrrr ... :) |
| 16:43.20 | Khertan | alterego: any links / tutos / beers ? |
| 16:43.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:43.54 | Khertan | alterego: you know that i ve finally made this hildondesktop binding works ... |
| 16:44.03 | Khertan | this is why i need transparency :) |
| 16:44.14 | alterego | http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/ |
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| 16:46.21 | Khertan | only with the rgba colormap ? |
| 16:47.08 | Khertan | there isn't exampel it just say to set the rgba colormap ... |
| 16:47.25 | alterego | Right |
| 16:48.22 | Khertan | so a simple set_colormap in python should be enougth ... i m trying |
| 16:48.34 | alterego | Yes |
| 16:49.05 | Khertan | once i ve found the arguments of the methods :) |
| 16:50.37 | Khertan | hum ... it take a gdk.ColorMap ... |
| 16:50.46 | alterego | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-question-index.html -- Item 1.25 |
| 16:50.50 | Khertan | but there isn't too many explication |
| 16:50.50 | alterego | Sorry, 1.15 .. |
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| 16:51.54 | Khertan | i ve see this one last time on the faq |
| 16:52.00 | Khertan | ocs/pygtk/class-gdkcolormap.html |
| 16:52.09 | Khertan | transp |
| 16:52.12 | Khertan | arg ... |
| 16:52.21 | Khertan | http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.042.htp |
| 16:52.25 | pupnik | man, that's gonna be a compositing operation added to every draw... slow... |
| 16:52.27 | Khertan | not very helpfull |
| 16:52.46 | Khertan | pupnik: it s for hildondesktop ... |
| 16:52.49 | Khertan | home applet |
| 16:53.07 | pupnik | ok well, it does look pretty |
| 16:53.11 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:53.27 | Khertan | for a application transparency isn't needed :) |
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| 16:53.36 | solmumaha | pupnik: pm |
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| 17:00.01 | skibur | Good Morning! |
| 17:00.18 | Khertan | ouch ... pygtk documentation / and api in maemo differs |
| 17:00.25 | Khertan | def get_rgba_colormap() |
| 17:00.39 | Khertan | in documentation ... and ask me an argument in python |
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| 17:01.16 | lmoura | Khertan, what OS? 2k7 or 2k8? |
| 17:01.21 | Khertan | 2008 |
| 17:01.49 | Khertan | oups ... sorry ... it s a mistake |
| 17:01.51 | skibur | Y2K8? |
| 17:02.23 | Khertan | i m wrongly call it on a wrong object |
| 17:02.34 | lmoura | oh, ok |
| 17:03.22 | Khertan | i assume it was a static call |
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| 17:04.59 | lophyte-n | hey all... anyone know if its possible to read Microsoft eReader books on n800? |
| 17:05.36 | Veggen | lophyte: probably not. |
| 17:05.40 | spirytusick | lophyte-n: not directly, unpackage them with clit and then use your favourite reader (read FBReader) :) |
| 17:05.53 | lophyte-n | ahhh, nice |
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| 17:06.26 | Khertan | lmoura: but there is another problem |
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| 17:06.46 | Khertan | lmoura: executing gtk.gdk.Screen().get_rgba_colormap() give a segfault in ipython |
| 17:07.41 | lophyte-n | clit can unpackage any lit? i don't want to buy a book and find out i can't read it on my n800 |
| 17:07.49 | Khertan | lmoura: and with python too |
| 17:08.02 | Khertan | alterego: i ll never get my python transparent home applet:) |
| 17:08.07 | Khertan | today |
| 17:08.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:09.12 | lmoura | Khertan, pastebin? |
| 17:09.41 | lmoura | another thing, are you using the python-hildondesktop? |
| 17:10.12 | spirytusick | lophyte-n: so far it unpackaged any I have tried it against |
| 17:10.38 | Khertan | lmoura> just two line python script ... |
| 17:10.54 | lmoura | oh, ok |
| 17:11.20 | Khertan | http://pastebin.com/d111f3f0a |
| 17:11.43 | lophyte-n | spirytusick, nice... thanks :) |
| 17:11.45 | Khertan | lmoura: yes i'm using the python-hildondesktop ... |
| 17:12.06 | Khertan | but for the segfault i ve made an example ... |
| 17:12.24 | Khertan | lmoura: i ve successfully compiled it ... and using it at this time ... |
| 17:12.26 | spirytusick | lophyte-n: I've been using it for quite some time now although most of my books are of palm descent... |
| 17:13.04 | Khertan | lmoura: but now i m trying to do transparent hildondesktop home applet... to not break my nice wallpaper :) |
| 17:13.08 | lmoura | Khertan, we are planning to release a package this week |
| 17:13.22 | Khertan | great |
| 17:13.47 | hugolp | anyone know where I can find packets to mysql-client for the OS2008? |
| 17:13.50 | Khertan | i ve do too ... i was preparing my own repos ... |
| 17:14.02 | Khertan | but it ll be better to have one in the same repos |
| 17:14.15 | giskard | 213.156.44.152 -> repository.maemo.org gives me a 401 when i try to "apt-get update" |
| 17:14.37 | giskard | this is a already know bug, which prevent some italian users to connecto to repo.maemo.org |
| 17:14.53 | giskard | do you know if there are others official repo? |
| 17:15.26 | Khertan | lmoura: do u reproduct the segfault ? |
| 17:16.16 | lmoura | Khertan, yes |
| 17:16.24 | Khertan | lmoura: maybe i don t use gtk.gdk in a wrong way ... |
| 17:16.32 | lmoura | I don't think so |
| 17:16.35 | Khertan | s/don t use/use |
| 17:16.40 | lmoura | it passes in desktop |
| 17:16.47 | lmoura | so, probably there's something wrong |
| 17:16.54 | lmoura | I'm writing a small c test |
| 17:16.58 | Khertan | snif ... |
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| 17:17.16 | Khertan | i ll be not the first to release a nice transparent widget ... ;) |
| 17:18.09 | alterego | :) |
| 17:18.10 | Khertan | maybe i m on the wrong way ... the purpose was first to make a transparent label for my home applet ... but there is maybe an other way ? |
| 17:18.28 | lophyte-n | spirytusick, do you buy ebooks at all? |
| 17:19.13 | Khertan | alterego: don't laught ... |
| 17:19.16 | Khertan | : |
| 17:19.17 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:19.31 | Khertan | brb in 8min |
| 17:20.23 | lmoura | Khertan, the C function is returning null |
| 17:21.29 | lmoura | Oh, another thing planned are goocanvas bindings |
| 17:22.10 | lmoura | Their demo runs quite fine, even animations |
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| 17:24.33 | alterego | Ooo .. I know what I can do with my N800 .. |
| 17:27.03 | solmumaha | sell it to me? |
| 17:27.15 | alterego | I have two ideas. One get my brother to give me a new phone when he gets a new handset on his contract and swap it for the N800, the second is to work on my own OS for it. |
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| 17:27.53 | alterego | Three ideas: Third is to try and get the development maemo tree on it :) |
| 17:28.58 | lmoura | Khertan, I got it. pygobject_new(NULL) segfaults |
| 17:29.12 | Khertan | re |
| 17:29.29 | alterego | That's not good. |
| 17:29.39 | Khertan | lmoura: so how to do ? |
| 17:30.12 | alterego | solmumaha, I'm setting up my maemo SDK now. So I'm a little behind schedule but hopefully 0.4.1 will be out on Wednesday :) |
| 17:30.28 | lmoura | Khertan, I guess you'll have to wait a bit until we release a fix by this week (probably tuesday) |
| 17:33.22 | Khertan | lmoura: ah ... ok. thx for your help ! |
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| 17:39.29 | lmoura | Khertan, we forgot something |
| 17:39.33 | lmoura | import pygtk :) |
| 17:39.37 | lmoura | It works |
| 17:39.46 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:40.02 | lmoura | Well, at least doen't segfaults, but returns none (as in C) |
| 17:40.05 | alterego | Ah yes, I remember in the source they don't include dependencies .. |
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| 17:44.43 | lophyte-n | anyone know a good site to buy ebooks that i can read on my n800? |
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| 19:57.07 | inz | petergunn, you see a gaping hole below you |
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| 20:00.40 | Robot101 | this is badgeredbeyond belief badgers on a snakeyayayawoot on badgers indeed |
| 20:00.45 | Robot101 | hm |
| 20:00.53 | Robot101 | that was a test, apologies :) |
| 20:02.28 | pupnik | badger mushroom? |
| 20:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101, you failed. |
| 20:03.29 | Robot101 | well, not mine, my housemate's |
| 20:05.34 | Robot101 | ooh thats a lot better |
| 20:05.42 | Robot101 | I have a really slow upload it seems |
| 20:05.51 | Robot101 | maybe it's 2Mbit down, 128 up |
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| 20:45.14 | Delio | hello |
| 20:46.56 | petergunn | anyone used vpnc thru DUN? |
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| 21:11.45 | nick_fn | What is the difference between "arm" and "armel" architectures? |
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| 21:12.52 | Robot101 | the el means endian little, which is a bad joke |
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| 21:13.10 | Robot101 | but arm is little endian too |
| 21:13.15 | Robot101 | it's actually different because it uses the new ARM ABI |
| 21:13.30 | nick_fn | So armel is the N770, and arm is the N8x0 ? |
| 21:13.37 | Robot101 | which changes the way that the registers are laid out when functions are called |
| 21:13.48 | Robot101 | and also how system calls are made in the kernel |
| 21:13.58 | Robot101 | to take advantage of new CPU features in more recent ARM cores |
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| 21:14.21 | nick_fn | I ask because I'm trying to find gnumeric for OS2007/N800. It's listed at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/ , but the packages are only for armel. |
| 21:14.35 | Robot101 | armel is the newer one |
| 21:14.42 | Robot101 | the N770 was arm, the N800 onwards uses armel |
| 21:14.46 | nick_fn | ah, ok. |
| 21:15.05 | nick_fn | thanks :-) |
| 21:15.59 | Blafasel | Hrmpf. Still waiting and praying that I get my device tomorrow.. |
| 21:18.44 | Delio | someone the other day was showing off some code to create desktop applets in python |
| 21:19.15 | Delio | any chances to get that published somewhere? |
| 21:22.21 | lcuk | delio unless they were just showing you screenshots then you should have the code |
| 21:22.30 | lcuk | or was he just talking about them |
| 21:22.40 | Delio | just talking about it |
| 21:22.57 | Delio | and I cannot recall who it was |
| 21:22.58 | Delio | >.< |
| 21:23.19 | lcuk | have a look back through the history log (its done daily - google finds it) and see if you can find him |
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| 21:24.41 | lcuk | looking myself it was (who i thought it was) khertan |
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| 21:27.07 | lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%23maemo+log+python+desktop+applet+delio&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 21:28.01 | Delio | thanks a lot, I forgot about the log history :P |
| 21:28.36 | lcuk | :) |
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| 21:42.03 | spirytusick | time to take the red pill.... |
| 21:42.07 | spirytusick | gd night... |
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| 21:43.03 | __Nikos__ | is there a bluetooth headset for n800 os2007? |
| 21:43.32 | Blafasel | Interesting. Someone in the log said that the N800 is "better" than the N810? Is that the overall opinion? |
| 21:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Not really. |
| 21:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Duh, Blafasel. |
| 21:43.58 | Blafasel | Yeah, right. It was you. |
| 21:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, not stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc. |
| 21:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | s/not/no/ |
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| 21:45.11 | Dist | Never tried N800, but N810 is a bit hard to hold and the pouch is really bad |
| 21:45.22 | Dist | Needs a metallic cover or something like that |
| 21:46.03 | Blafasel | Hard to hold? Because of the shape? |
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| 21:46.34 | Dist | Yeah, and no place to attach any strap so feels like it's very easy to drop also |
| 21:47.09 | lcuk | Dist - i am trying to find a big piece of sticky back rubber |
| 21:47.13 | lcuk | its so easy to drop |
| 21:47.33 | lcuk | ive improvised with tyre puncture repair patches |
| 21:48.05 | lcuk | i lie on back in bed reading and hold it between first 2 knuckles - dont ask - and it slides out really easily |
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| 21:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | I love the stand |
| 21:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | I can lie on my side in bed and just let it sit there on its stand. |
| 21:49.00 | lcuk | i cant read sideways - i wear glasses |
| 21:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | Rotate the text. |
| 21:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html |
| 21:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | a little ways down that page. |
| 21:49.26 | lcuk | its not the shape of the screen - its glasses in side of head from pillow |
| 21:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, right |
| 21:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I get that a little, too. |
| 21:49.53 | lcuk | they cost about as much as the 810 so i aint gonna bend them out of shape |
| 21:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly near-sighted, though, so I don't need to wear them to read. |
| 21:50.13 | lcuk | ive read on my back now since my first pda - its soothing and i know im dozing off |
| 21:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | I can't sleep on my back. |
| 21:51.32 | Blafasel | Can you give me some comments regarding the wifi/gps signal quality? The first was quite bad in most S60 Nokias I've seen, the latter was the reason for a discussion on this channel some days ago. |
| 21:51.52 | lcuk | the other thing - fbreader does the page up/down thing really badly - i have it set rotated and i have a huge info area at the bottom (with clock etc in it) and clicking there moves pages instead of being locked as i set in my preference |
| 21:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | Wifi reception in the whole lineup of NITs is the best I've ever seen. |
| 21:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | File a bug, lcuk |
| 21:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | fbreader.org |
| 21:52.32 | lcuk | im a member there! |
| 21:52.40 | lcuk | ive already filed one bug and yes i will |
| 21:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | I tell you what, I would not be the maemo proponent I am today without FBReader. |
| 21:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | FANTASTIC goddamn application. |
| 21:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | The NIT screens are PERFECT for reading. |
| 21:53.37 | lcuk | tbh - im a bit upset about reading books on this |
| 21:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | Why? |
| 21:54.33 | shack008n | how betterr, or worse, is battery life when networking over bluetooth rather than using the wifi transceiver? |
| 21:54.55 | lcuk | well, each screen LOOKS fantastic, dont get me wrong. its the refresh time that worries me. |
| 21:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | shack008n, the wifi powersaving isn't as good. |
| 21:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not a LOT worse |
| 21:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | The phone always takes a dive first, anyway. ;) |
| 21:55.35 | lcuk | i came from an old fujitsu Loox with isolo which was fast enough to do kinetic scrolling |
| 21:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | er, *the bluetooth powersaving isn't very good compared to wifi. |
| 21:55.51 | shack008n | GeneralAntilles: mm, i was using adhoc to my laptop, now bluetoth |
| 21:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Really? Refresh time doesn't bother me. |
| 21:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's still faster than turning a page in a paperback. ;) |
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| 21:56.12 | lcuk | ive got it set on 810 now to display about the same amount of text and the old device side by side with new device kills it |
| 21:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | PAN, shack008n? |
| 21:56.19 | lcuk | this is with a 5 year old pda |
| 21:56.22 | shack008n | let's see if i'm still here in three hours |
| 21:56.28 | shack008n | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 21:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | I scroll page-by-page, so I don't notice refresh. |
| 21:56.54 | Blafasel | Hmpf. My coworker got my N810 in NYC, but I've no idea if I can meet him tomorrow (he arrives, I leave for switzerland). Damn |
| 21:57.00 | lcuk | it could just be the generic fbreader code which is doing it which i why ive not really done anything about it |
| 21:57.17 | lcuk | but once i get upto speed with the device i will be doing what i can to get crisp screen refresh |
| 21:57.53 | lcuk | gen - i do as well, and rotated 90degrees i see the text draw from the left to right (top to bottom in real view) |
| 21:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | Need to get a courier to bring it from him to you, Blafasel. ;) |
| 21:58.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's the problem with reading against-the-grain as it were. |
| 21:58.32 | lcuk | reading a portrait page like every other book reader? |
| 21:59.18 | lcuk | i think the code can be made faster - we know the device has limitations but i believe a double buffer algoyrthm might work |
| 21:59.42 | Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Hmm.. A lot of money for my lack of patience.. ;) |
| 21:59.47 | lcuk | i mean fbreader waits about .25 seconds before paging next anyway - might as well have it render in that time |
| 22:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's an issue with the LCD controller, I think, actually. |
| 22:00.41 | lcuk | if i can shave anything off so its just a blit rather than rendering a whole page of text it might be worth it |
| 22:01.08 | lcuk | i like the cleanliness of the font and wouldnt go back down in res now |
| 22:01.16 | derf | Oh, good, the N810 is out of stock in the US store again, without the codes ever actually working. |
| 22:01.44 | Blafasel | derf: Wasn't me. ;) |
| 22:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | Using "Sans", lcuk? |
| 22:02.28 | lcuk | dunno lol - i just looked through them all till i found one that made me comfortable ill check |
| 22:03.00 | lcuk | yer... |
| 22:03.04 | lcuk | size 20 |
| 22:03.07 | lcuk | bold |
| 22:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm 14 |
| 22:03.26 | GeneralAntilles | Bold? |
| 22:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 22:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | Might try it |
| 22:03.45 | lcuk | easy on my eyes and like i said its about the same amount of text as i got on my old device |
| 22:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | I set up the d-pad to change text-size for when I'm feeling blind. |
| 22:03.56 | lcuk | black paper white text... |
| 22:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 22:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | The other thing about your old device, it probably had, what, a third of the pixels to render? :P |
| 22:04.34 | lcuk | i was on mornal white on the old device because black was this bright grey |
| 22:04.53 | |tbb| | generalantilles, could you tell me what were possible with powervr enabled device, is there a device out there with this enabled |
| 22:04.59 | lcuk | yer i realise that (and it was less than 25%) |
| 22:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | High-end N95-series phones |
| 22:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | search "PowerVR" on youtube for some examples |
| 22:05.41 | glass | n95 and e90 |
| 22:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/N95/N/ |
| 22:05.45 | glass | also n93i |
| 22:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's pretty impressive |
| 22:06.02 | lcuk | tbb - the powervr has an internal block of memory for its framebuffer which i believe cannot hold an 800*480 screen which we need which is why it was not used, but thats just off all the speculation i have read |
| 22:06.07 | glass | of those e90 has highest res |
| 22:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | A similarly outfitted Dell Axim did Q3 at 640x480 at about 20-25fps |
| 22:06.23 | glass | e90 has 800x352 inside screen res iirc |
| 22:06.29 | lcuk | ooooh |
| 22:06.38 | |tbb| | damn, if n95 does why not n810 grrr |
| 22:06.40 | lcuk | ^ me i mean not you glass |
| 22:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I agree with that estimation, lcuk. |
| 22:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | If it's larger than the built-in LCD controller . . . |
| 22:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | good news is that the OMAP3430 is going to be shit-hot. :D |
| 22:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, screen resolution |
| 22:07.17 | lcuk | ant - it might not be a bad thing if we can blast it with 400*240 and copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer |
| 22:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | N95 uses the built-in LCD controller on the chip |
| 22:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | we use a 3rd party controller because the built-in one is only VGA |
| 22:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lcuk, pixel doubling would be fine with me. |
| 22:07.57 | lcuk | for games at least |
| 22:08.04 | |tbb| | okay, so no hope then |
| 22:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Send your proposal to Nokia management. :P |
| 22:08.37 | lcuk | if we can get the vectors into it and build a frame out of it quickly the slowdown by copying back to the framebuffer should still be better than all software 3d rendering |
| 22:08.55 | lcuk | i keep going back and looking |
| 22:09.25 | lcuk | i know the framebuffer code in the older linux drivers wont work because thats for the older physical graphics cards |
| 22:09.42 | lcuk | we need the blob from an actual 2420 implimentation and see what its doing |
| 22:09.50 | lcuk | even if we just get a penguin its a start |
| 22:10.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:10.55 | lcuk | all graphics cards need a Set Mode, set scene, send data, refresh. those are SIMPLE operations and if we can coax those out of some other implimentation we can work on the rest and get a proper framebuffer working |
| 22:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | lardman is probably the guy to collaborate once he gets done with his badass DSP hacking. |
| 22:11.27 | lcuk | yer ive read back in the logs and on ITT and his name has come up an awful lot |
| 22:12.15 | lcuk | it frustrates me to have the hardware and noway to use it |
| 22:14.14 | |tbb| | lcuk, thats what me frustrating to. i would feel better if i dont know about this |
| 22:14.25 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:14.34 | lcuk | we will get there soon |
| 22:15.35 | |tbb| | from a scale 1-10 of hope, where you are |
| 22:15.36 | lcuk | in a way i feel the same way that people with other devices do. take the nintendo DS. there is now linux running on there after some hacking and building a framebuffer etc on it |
| 22:15.41 | lcuk | -20 |
| 22:16.01 | |tbb| | hehe |
| 22:16.09 | lcuk | its all pie in the sky until we have some actual verifyable code running on a 2420 |
| 22:16.09 | Tak | what's the word, gentlemen? |
| 22:16.15 | |tbb| | that give me hope |
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| 22:17.15 | lcuk | there is a 2420 development board from ti which membership costs about $4000 im wondering if the source you get with that gives full access to the entire thing |
| 22:17.16 | giskard | hey guys there is something like internet table video convferter for linux? |
| 22:17.22 | giskard | http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/videoconverter |
| 22:17.36 | Jaffa | giskard: <plug> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html </plug> |
| 22:17.48 | giskard | Jaffa, thank you |
| 22:18.06 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, theres no point in drooling over future hardware when you have a decent device in front of you today |
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| 22:19.49 | |tbb| | nokia should pay some of you for the membership |
| 22:20.01 | lcuk | they are already members |
| 22:20.09 | lcuk | they have the devices they have the code |
| 22:20.18 | lcuk | but i think for the res of the 8x0 we cannot use it |
| 22:20.57 | lcuk | but if we could render a scene in its internal memory (just at a lower more managable res) then copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer (which is outside the 2420 chip) we would be onto a winner |
| 22:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | Bull |
| 22:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | I have money and I want moar power! :P |
| 22:21.11 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:21.29 | lcuk | then buy your own now - have a whole dev board in your pocket :P |
| 22:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:22.11 | lcuk | does anyone have proper technical details of the 8x0? |
| 22:22.12 | GeneralAntilles | N900, N900 . . . mmm. |
| 22:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of technical details |
| 22:22.20 | Blafasel | Hmm.. I'm only an app dev, nothing as low level as that. I do hope that I can bring some stuff to the 810 anyway, though |
| 22:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 22:22.54 | lcuk | which framebuffer does it use etc how is it connected to the 2420 - can the 2420 output graphics data directly to the lcd framebuffer or is it out of sequence |
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| 22:23.35 | lcuk | Blafasel, same here but if needs must I will get my hands greasy and work on the engine |
| 22:23.55 | wumpus | lcuk: it can't access the framebuffer directly |
| 22:24.01 | wumpus | it goes through a serial interface |
| 22:24.23 | wumpus | an ackwardly slow serial link even |
| 22:24.29 | lcuk | my boss always says "if you cannot find a solution now do not fret, we will have a discussion later and something will pop up" |
| 22:24.36 | lcuk | ouch @ serial |
| 22:25.40 | lcuk | it cant be that slow because you can decode video and send it to it at 25+ fps |
| 22:26.02 | wumpus | only with frame doubling |
| 22:26.14 | lcuk | thats fine, for games i dont mind 400*240 |
| 22:26.16 | wumpus | the source file is in the linux kernel and should be called blizzard.c or so |
| 22:26.33 | lcuk | ithanks ill take a look |
| 22:26.39 | wumpus | yes, for a lot of things it's fast enough |
| 22:26.44 | wumpus | just not as flashy as it could be :) |
| 22:26.52 | lcuk | i was reading up a discussion where the mplayer guy was going over some optimisations here |
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| 22:28.32 | lcuk | the lcd controller itself doesn't have actual hardware doubling any more does it (i know the 770 did) |
| 22:29.03 | wumpus | eh, it should |
| 22:29.08 | Tak | hardware doubling still works |
| 22:29.10 | Jaffa | ISTR it having arbitrary scaling, rather than just doubling |
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| 22:30.07 | wumpus | if it wouldn't have hardware scaling then it would be a lot slower |
| 22:30.08 | lcuk | i am sure this was not doing its job so mplayer guy optimised the kernel driver to do doubling faster |
| 22:30.50 | wumpus | well it's the transfer to the controller that's slow, the more data you send the slower |
| 22:31.33 | lcuk | yer i know that and they send only 12 bit now because thats all it can handle |
| 22:31.54 | wumpus | of course the video itself needs a lot of optimization too, most multimedia devices (like the arcos) actually have two arm + dsp |
| 22:32.55 | wumpus | then again that might be besides the point of the device, it's a web tablet :) |
| 22:33.31 | lcuk | ive found the thread ill just take a quick re-read back over it (its a long one...) |
| 22:33.48 | lcuk | sorry this is link, google gives it as printable so cancel printer.. |
| 22:33.48 | lcuk | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_printable;post=19711;list=maemo |
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| 23:01.01 | lcuk | im sure all this information is filling my brain with so much crap its pushing out the good stuff |
| 23:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work like that. :P |
| 23:02.08 | lcuk | but what will i do if i cannot remember the 68k assembler instructions for making fractals on my amiga? |
| 23:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Fail . . . |
| 23:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | miserably. |
| 23:02.24 | lcuk | oh poo |
| 23:02.41 | lcuk | it will all go in slowly and a solution will emerge :) |
| 23:02.47 | |tbb| | for what the heck is metalyer-crawler it eats the cpu permanent over 90 percent about half an hour |
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| 23:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's the crawler for Media player |
| 23:03.02 | GeneralAntilles | you have any looping symlinks? |
| 23:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Corrupt filesystems? |
| 23:03.16 | lcuk | or just lots of pr0n ;) |
| 23:04.14 | lcuk | youtube/flash playback in general |
| 23:04.22 | pupnik | oh btw, the xaos fractal browser almost works on the tablet |
| 23:04.31 | lcuk | almost? |
| 23:04.33 | pupnik | needs some alignment or endianness fixes |
| 23:04.37 | |tbb| | hmh i got a symlink under user called main link to / |
| 23:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | Might do it, |tbb|. |
| 23:05.46 | lcuk | there was a thread about this symlink problem as well but im goin havin a bath in a minute so someone else can find it :P |
| 23:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org |
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| 23:06.18 | lcuk | before my bath tho there is one thing i'll throw out.. |
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| 23:06.31 | |tbb| | so i should remove that link? |
| 23:07.41 | lcuk | flash playback is driven by a plugin. if we wrote a new plugin to handle flash and if it needs a movie auto save and forward to mplayer, and if its a normal flash let the default plugin handle it would this be possible? |
| 23:08.02 | lcuk | i dunno tbb but i didnt do it cos i read it was causing problems |
| 23:08.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, lcuk. |
| 23:08.36 | lcuk | cos for flash in general i want/need the flashblock capabilities (click to play) |
| 23:09.08 | lcuk | i helped sort out flashblock on firefox back when flash 8 came out cos it was broken |
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| 23:09.28 | lcuk | but this needs more - i know the actual flash plugin is a compiled module and i havent even started native compilation yet |
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| 23:10.46 | lcuk | having flash on tap-to-play would be beneficial as the cpu wouldn't be tied up playing whilst scrolling for most things |
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| 23:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | Then get to work, you lazy bum! :P |
| 23:12.08 | lcuk | lol i havent stopped since i got it - much to the chargrin of the missus |
| 23:12.21 | lcuk | tho she keeps nicking it to play games on it so it works to some level |
| 23:12.22 | |tbb| | problem solved :( |
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| 23:13.07 | pupnik | Like a cat hogging your keyboard? |
| 23:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | Damn keyboard-cats. |
| 23:14.03 | lcuk | lol dont let outs up here :P |
| 23:14.51 | lcuk | ours ^ |
| 23:14.59 | lcuk | anyway speak of the devil im offski |
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