| 00:00.39 | TakMibbit | dunno |
| 00:01.03 | Ward1983 | lol this is definitely the worst howto i ever folloxed |
| 00:01.10 | derf | elb: I am. It's contagious. |
| 00:01.27 | elb | |tbb|: keep asking |
| 00:01.41 | Ward1983 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability <- not working on debian |
| 00:01.51 | Ward1983 | not even remotely |
| 00:02.28 | TakMibbit | it's just old |
| 00:02.44 | skibur | I just finished it today |
| 00:03.06 | derf | skibur: I made mine out of this T-shirt: http://www.printfection.com/xiphmont/XiphOrg-Evolution-of-the-Fish/_p_678667 |
| 00:03.24 | Ward1983 | lol well, if things keep going like this, nobody is ever gonna use hildon on a device thats not nokia |
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| 00:03.31 | Ward1983 | keep it up is what i would say |
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| 00:03.53 | skibur | :) |
| 00:04.51 | skibur | derf, you said something about initfs |
| 00:05.00 | TakMibbit | I have to say, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122065&postcount=30 is my favorite so far |
| 00:05.25 | crafton | hi here.. a quick question? is possible to play from daap-servers, maybe installing avahi-utils would the MediaPlayer enable it? |
| 00:06.12 | |tbb| | tak thats a nice one |
| 00:06.36 | TakMibbit | bon nuit a tous |
| 00:06.49 | skibur | nice |
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| 00:09.00 | Ward1983 | why is that stupid tutorial there if it does not work? |
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| 00:09.14 | Ward1983 | who do i need to talk to to get it out of there or improved? |
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| 00:12.39 | |tbb| | anyone tried maemomm-booster it says it boost the load time of hildon apps |
| 00:13.28 | Ward1983 | ok then just leave it online and frustrate some more people |
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| 00:15.19 | inz | |tbb|, it boosts the startup times of gtkmm and hildonmm programs |
| 00:15.45 | |tbb| | for example |
| 00:16.06 | inz | tbb, don't know any |
| 00:16.13 | |tbb| | lol |
| 00:16.32 | inz | tbb, but it's just a "addon" to maemo-launcher, which is normally used for most of the built-in programs |
| 00:16.43 | inz | tbb, and it boosts the startup speed of normal gtk/hildon programs |
| 00:16.55 | |tbb| | do u got it installed |
| 00:17.19 | inz | tbb, maemomm-booster? |
| 00:17.28 | |tbb| | right |
| 00:18.06 | inz | tbb, no, I don't know any programs that would benefit from it, so I kind of don't need it ;) |
| 00:18.58 | inz | tbb, it would only eat some extra memory (and thus decreasing performance) |
| 00:20.19 | inz | But if you have gtkmm/maemomm programs, then it should make program star up snappier (and save memory if there are more than one such programs running) |
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| 00:20.45 | |tbb| | we will see |
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| 00:22.56 | CrashandDie | so, I wanted to know |
| 00:22.58 | CrashandDie | on the n810 |
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| 00:23.06 | CrashandDie | maemo mapper, does it work in the whole world ? |
| 00:26.52 | inz | Crash, no, only where you have internet connectivity ^^ |
| 00:27.40 | CrashandDie | ok, and how about the "real" gps utility ? |
| 00:27.46 | CrashandDie | Now where I can download maps ? |
| 00:28.02 | Sho_ | Cord: So, did you order despite the full price discount bug or are you waiting? |
| 00:28.18 | Mousey | hi |
| 00:28.26 | Mousey | is there any way to do sftp:// or fish:// with maemo? |
| 00:28.33 | Mousey | i mean, short of installing konqueror |
| 00:28.52 | Mousey | hmm, scp i suppose |
| 00:28.56 | Mousey | still |
| 00:28.58 | Mousey | =/ |
| 00:30.42 | inz | Mousey, not quite sure, but it actually might be possible, you just can't enter the url anywhere =) |
| 00:33.27 | Mousey | inz: it'd be nice if the FM did it.. |
| 00:33.46 | Mousey | but i guess i'm stuck with rsync.. OH.. there's a graphical rsync! i'll have to try that |
| 00:34.37 | jott | Sho_: i ordered anyway. we'll see what happens. |
| 00:35.11 | Sho_ | guess so |
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| 00:43.26 | |tbb| | inz: still there |
| 00:46.31 | |tbb| | ssh config on n810 ForwardAgent yes ForwardX11 yes ForwardX11Trusted yes |
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| 00:46.57 | yabbas | penguinbait: you here mate? :) |
| 00:47.07 | penguinbait | :) |
| 00:47.26 | halley | tbb, that's to run X11 apps on the Nokia from an X11 on your PC? |
| 00:47.50 | penguinbait | whats up yabbas? |
| 00:48.09 | yabbas | penguinbait: just saw the kde.deb post ;) wanted to add that you could automate the removal of user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL using sed. |
| 00:48.23 | |tbb| | logged in with ssh -X root@n810 starting maemo-summoner browser wont work |
| 00:48.41 | penguinbait | yes I could do it with grep -v also ;) |
| 00:48.44 | |tbb| | halley want to run apps from maemo at my desktop, dunno how |
| 00:49.18 | yabbas | penguinbait: wanted to know why you didn't...and also - if reinstalling kde from the deb, would re-add the line in sudoers. |
| 00:49.29 | penguinbait | yes it will |
| 00:49.44 | penguinbait | but it wont hurt anything |
| 00:49.46 | unique311 | penguinbait, the kde guy? |
| 00:49.59 | penguinbait | unless you do it 50 time or something :( |
| 00:50.10 | penguinbait | heh |
| 00:50.12 | unique311 | you think we can get the GNOME anytime soon. |
| 00:50.24 | penguinbait | I started with gnome |
| 00:50.33 | yabbas | I did wonder :) |
| 00:51.40 | penguinbait | KDE is totally separate from maemo based OS |
| 00:52.01 | penguinbait | maemo based OS uses gtk which dictates what gnome you run |
| 00:52.20 | penguinbait | I just did not have good luck with |
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| 00:53.21 | penguinbait | yabbas, I think I did not remove it from sudoers is because I was scared |
| 00:53.33 | penguinbait | to answer your question ;) |
| 00:53.48 | yabbas | lol, I know the feeling |
| 00:54.42 | penguinbait | I did reinstall in several times over on my system and had about 9 of them in there with no issues |
| 00:55.10 | yabbas | I still can't get xinput working with other devices; and I'm wondering whether I ought to send an email out to maemo-dev, or email dan the Xomap man directly. |
| 00:55.56 | penguinbait | is xinput the software? |
| 00:56.07 | penguinbait | what do you mean |
| 00:56.25 | penguinbait | X input |
| 00:56.33 | yabbas | naw, it's the input spec for X. I think they hardwired the touchscreen lib into K-drive. |
| 00:56.40 | penguinbait | ah |
| 00:57.32 | penguinbait | so the buttons are not working? but its connected |
| 00:57.33 | yabbas | there's stuff in there about ignoring mouse0; evdev doesn't seem to detect any other pointers - xsetpointer lists all the devices but no extra mouse devices, yadda yadda |
| 00:57.38 | penguinbait | you need to map them? |
| 00:57.46 | yabbas | buttons are working well :) just mouse isn't working |
| 00:58.08 | penguinbait | hmmm, mouse? |
| 00:58.12 | yabbas | once you connect the device, onscreen keyboard stops working |
| 00:58.28 | yabbas | aye - still going on about using the wiimote as a mouse :) |
| 00:58.48 | penguinbait | how to move mouse, dpad? |
| 00:59.00 | yabbas | nope, just wave it about in front or an IR source :D |
| 00:59.19 | yabbas | (there is a plugin that uses the nunchuck analogue stick) |
| 00:59.26 | penguinbait | or, you dont need ir for it to work? |
| 00:59.59 | yabbas | depends how you want to use it - if you want motion detection you can set it to detect ir and track movement that way. |
| 01:00.18 | yabbas | unfortunately I can't "plug in the device driver" ... |
| 01:00.53 | penguinbait | hmm, I have been meaning to test, but can you turn the keyboard back on manually? |
| 01:01.18 | yabbas | you'll have to explain how to do that :) |
| 01:01.23 | penguinbait | 1 sec |
| 01:01.44 | penguinbait | not sure if it is software turning off or inputs getting stolen |
| 01:02.26 | penguinbait | etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.sh start |
| 01:02.28 | penguinbait | I mean |
| 01:02.36 | yabbas | not tried it :) lemme see if I can |
| 01:02.57 | penguinbait | I been meaning to I need to fix it for joystick support also |
| 01:03.34 | CrashandDie | hmm |
| 01:03.38 | CrashandDie | question |
| 01:03.58 | CrashandDie | is the aircrack suite ported to os2008 ? |
| 01:05.43 | yabbas | penguinbait: nope...doesn't work |
| 01:05.53 | penguinbait | bah |
| 01:06.10 | penguinbait | do you have 810? |
| 01:06.24 | yabbas | not yet :( it's ordered already but waiting for it to arrive |
| 01:06.40 | penguinbait | I am still waiting for news :( |
| 01:06.49 | yabbas | news? you have a discount code donchya? |
| 01:07.00 | penguinbait | I am wondering if I have a 810, do I care if onscreen keyboard does not work :) |
| 01:07.21 | penguinbait | the USA was not mentioned in the email |
| 01:07.37 | yabbas | I thought you were in the uk :) [doh] |
| 01:07.37 | penguinbait | at least Canada got a shout ouy ;) |
| 01:07.42 | penguinbait | at least Canada got a shout out ;) |
| 01:07.48 | yabbas | heheh |
| 01:08.41 | yabbas | I'm wondering whether the onboard keyboard gets disabled too. |
| 01:08.43 | |tbb| | CrashandDie: ive seen it add mulliner to your repositiory, but what you want with that suite |
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| 01:09.00 | yabbas | Do you have a bluetooth keyboard? When it's paired - does it disable onscreen kb? |
| 01:09.04 | CrashandDie | |tbb|, use it ? |
| 01:09.30 | penguinbait | I have not tested in 2008 but it always did |
| 01:09.37 | yabbas | CrashandDie: afaik the wireless connects for a while, then disconnects |
| 01:09.54 | CrashandDie | yabbas, wut ? |
| 01:10.07 | yabbas | penguinbait: I half wonder whether it's a k-drive input device limit :( |
| 01:10.10 | |tbb| | n8xx doesnt support packet injection |
| 01:10.19 | CrashandDie | oh really ? |
| 01:10.23 | CrashandDie | hmm, that's too bad |
| 01:10.33 | yabbas | CrashandDie: aircrack suite; from the stuff I've read it appears to have wifi driver issues |
| 01:11.07 | |tbb| | yabbas. ive tested kismet with n810 and it collects data about 3.5 hours. may anything has changed |
| 01:11.29 | CrashandDie | oh well, I'll have to take a look at that |
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| 01:11.42 | CrashandDie | what chipset is the wifi in the n8xx ? |
| 01:11.52 | |tbb| | prism |
| 01:11.55 | yabbas | |tbb|: don't know tbh - I've not done testing. Seems such a shame really; it's the perfect intrusion security device :) |
| 01:13.01 | yabbas | penguinbait: http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ seems to imply patches are required for multi device input. Whether that means multiple devices work concurrently in X atm or something else I don't know. |
| 01:13.46 | penguinbait | yabbas basically its a joystick right? |
| 01:14.01 | yabbas | penguinbait: it's 2 devices. a joystick and a keyboard |
| 01:14.06 | yabbas | gah |
| 01:14.08 | yabbas | I mean |
| 01:14.21 | yabbas | a keyboard, joystick and mouse! |
| 01:14.32 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 01:14.52 | penguinbait | all that and you need the onscreen keyboard? |
| 01:14.57 | yabbas | lol |
| 01:14.57 | penguinbait | just kidding |
| 01:15.01 | yabbas | Nokia-N800-50-2:/usr/local/lib# ./xsetpointer -l |
| 01:15.01 | yabbas | 0: "Virtual core keyboard" [XKeyboard] |
| 01:15.01 | yabbas | 1: "Virtual core pointer" [XPointer] |
| 01:15.01 | yabbas | 2: "TSC2301 touchscreen" [XExtensionPointer] |
| 01:15.01 | yabbas | 3: "Internal keypad" [XExtensionKeyboard] |
| 01:15.02 | yabbas | 4: "Nintendo Wiimote" [XExtensionKeyboard] |
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| 01:15.56 | penguinbait | hmmm |
| 01:16.35 | yabbas | I _think_ the only reason it doesn't detect other XPointers is down to a patch in K-Drive that ignores mouse0. |
| 01:16.56 | penguinbait | I just got a bluetooth mouse in the mail today |
| 01:17.03 | yabbas | try it now :) |
| 01:17.04 | penguinbait | hoping to get it working |
| 01:17.11 | penguinbait | its charging |
| 01:17.15 | yabbas | doh |
| 01:17.30 | penguinbait | it came with batteries, they were dead |
| 01:17.56 | yabbas | logitech? or no name? |
| 01:18.14 | megabyte405_ | CrashandDie: It's CXsomething or other, TI integrated. No open source driver |
| 01:18.38 | CrashandDie | yabbas & |tbb|: the wifi chipset is CX3110X from connexant or something |
| 01:19.22 | yabbas | CrashandDie: yup |
| 01:19.31 | penguinbait | targus |
| 01:19.40 | penguinbait | 29$ |
| 01:20.03 | penguinbait | it was hard to find a bluetooth mouse, I had to order online |
| 01:20.21 | penguinbait | everything is 2.4ghz now |
| 01:20.29 | penguinbait | mice anyway |
| 01:21.45 | yabbas | 1:30am and I'm hungry :( |
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| 01:22.17 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4632 |
| 01:22.21 | |tbb| | oh yes i was wrong cx3110x-module-src_2.0.14-2.tar.gz but i think the core part is closed source |
| 01:22.26 | yabbas | *click* |
| 01:22.29 | penguinbait | there was some old gnome on maemo |
| 01:23.25 | yabbas | I remember that :) |
| 01:23.36 | yabbas | what were the problems with it? |
| 01:24.07 | penguinbait | I am clueless :) |
| 01:24.30 | penguinbait | I am not a developer, I am a unix admin |
| 01:24.52 | penguinbait | I can scripts the crap out of anything, compile software,like thats hard |
| 01:25.03 | CrashandDie | I guess I'll be looking into the packet injection thingy later on, once I actually have the tablet hands on |
| 01:25.09 | penguinbait | but if it aint working pretty much out of the box,I am done :) |
| 01:25.54 | yabbas | lol - I'm the other way round. Don't understand the system structure whatsoever, don't know how to install and configure it, but I can code for it :D |
| 01:25.59 | penguinbait | KDE is just ./configure, make, make install repeat 100 times :) |
| 01:26.11 | yabbas | I remember when you told me :D |
| 01:26.12 | CrashandDie | anyway, thanks for the support |
| 01:26.33 | CrashandDie | one last question, I got my n810 overseas, in the US, how is the GPS going to work in Europe ? Anyone any idea , |
| 01:26.46 | yabbas | CrashandDie: it'll work :) |
| 01:26.48 | penguinbait | Dont get me wrong, KDE had some challenges, but they were all based on issues of scratchbox |
| 01:26.49 | CrashandDie | Am I going to have to pay for the extra Europe maps ? |
| 01:27.03 | CrashandDie | or are they included ? |
| 01:27.19 | yabbas | penguinbait: aye +nods+ I'm sure it was a helluva lot more complex than running make install a meelllion times :) |
| 01:27.33 | yabbas | CrashandDie: you don't get wayfinder out the box |
| 01:27.58 | CrashandDie | are there any FOS apps ? |
| 01:28.02 | penguinbait | a tad, KDE is about 1GB, my first hack was WindowMaker it was 16MB uncompressed :) |
| 01:28.13 | CrashandDie | if not, I guess I just found the project I'm going to start :P |
| 01:28.15 | yabbas | CrashandDie: you get a disabled routing version of wayfinder - you can download ALL the maps for free onit. |
| 01:28.43 | yabbas | penguinbait: how nice was windowmaker? |
| 01:28.49 | penguinbait | FAST |
| 01:28.51 | CrashandDie | disabled routing ? Meaning I can't ask it to get me to some place ? |
| 01:28.59 | CrashandDie | yabbas, how much is it to unlock it ? |
| 01:29.00 | penguinbait | I was screaming on purpose :) |
| 01:29.09 | penguinbait | it was screaming fast |
| 01:29.28 | yabbas | CrashandDie: exactly - you get the map, you see where you are (coz GPS works wherever) but you can't get directions unless you unlock. Find the costs on the wayfinder site. |
| 01:29.38 | CrashandDie | ok |
| 01:29.39 | CrashandDie | thanks |
| 01:29.55 | yabbas | penguinbait: lol - fancy doing a tiny windowmaker distro? :) |
| 01:30.21 | penguinbait | I am thinking of doing Afterstep for n810, if I ever get one |
| 01:30.33 | yabbas | yes yes YES! |
| 01:30.36 | penguinbait | its small and runs well, but needs a keyboard |
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| 01:30.57 | yabbas | and keyboard is a non-issue with the N810 :) |
| 01:31.04 | penguinbait | yup |
| 01:31.10 | fysa | OpenMoko? |
| 01:31.18 | penguinbait | Its just a question of version |
| 01:31.54 | penguinbait | old versions are superfast, new versions run slower 2.X but have more bells and whistles |
| 01:31.55 | yabbas | right - I better do this sleep thing that humans do |
| 01:32.06 | penguinbait | night yabbas! |
| 01:32.08 | |tbb| | CrashandDie: if u find anything new out then please inform me |
| 01:32.26 | CrashandDie | |tbb|, I will, don't worry, I'll keep the community posted |
| 01:32.34 | CrashandDie | yabbas, hmm, $100 for 3 years... Seems very decent ! |
| 01:32.36 | yabbas | nn dude - before I go - recommend wait for your kde updates later on, or think I should download and play the current deb version? |
| 01:32.48 | yabbas | CrashandDie: yup - and FREE updates during that time! |
| 01:33.07 | CrashandDie | I don't even have the tablet yet, and I'm more and more excited |
| 01:33.44 | CrashandDie | it's not *that* expensive (most decent GPS' cost $350+), and $100 for 3 years road updates is a bargain |
| 01:34.09 | yabbas | CrashandDie: I bought an N770 ages ago with Wayfinder navigation. 6 months later they stop navicom and create wayfinder and tell me that my codes will work on the new device :D Let's just say I was a VERY happy chappy ... if this was Garmin they'd have told me tough shite. |
| 01:34.09 | CrashandDie | well, I'm off to bed now |
| 01:34.41 | CrashandDie | yeah... I'm getting the feeling they're actually thinking about customer experience rather than big bucks |
| 01:34.49 | yabbas | well...a bit of both ;) |
| 01:35.02 | yabbas | anyways, nini peeps :) |
| 01:35.10 | CrashandDie | as long as it's good for us, and good for them, everyone's happy :) |
| 01:35.20 | CrashandDie | cheers everyone, good evening/morning/night, wherever you are |
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| 02:11.59 | TakMibbit | anybody know of SDL bindings for vala? |
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| 02:13.07 | sgehrman | I reviewed the n810 on my blog |
| 02:13.07 | sgehrman | http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/ |
| 02:13.11 | sgehrman | have fun... |
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| 02:14.47 | TakMibbit | wow...some of this stuff is just plain wrong. |
| 02:15.09 | TakMibbit | "The n810 requires a Windows machine to upgrade the OS." |
| 02:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:15.11 | GeneralAntilles | What a joke. |
| 02:16.44 | TakMibbit | "This thing isn't an iPhone plus I can't find a satellite anyway nokia hates macs and you suck and I hope you all die." |
| 02:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | Sad to see that on the Path Finder website. |
| 02:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me glad I never shelled out any cash to them. |
| 02:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | Screw you, TakMibbit. :P |
| 02:20.06 | TakMibbit | "I don't understand why a large rich corporation builds a device that's basically usable." |
| 02:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | I love how he comes in to taunt us. |
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| 02:21.28 | TakMibbit | I know - too bad he didn't stay to accept my taunting of his bad grammar, poor logic, and overall silliness. |
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| 02:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://cocoatech.com/aboutus.php |
| 02:22.09 | ds3 | is there any chance of a SCO bluetooth scoket working in userspace? |
| 02:22.27 | TakMibbit | '7) Lots of "modes". Sometimes I'm in one app and I get stuck in a mode and can't switch apps.' |
| 02:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | Use the giant swap button, just like the iPhone. |
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| 02:32.29 | TakMibbit | hmm - is the debian/armel port in a state where we can just install packages from a debian repo? |
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| 02:35.20 | penguinbait | any bluetooth experts here? |
| 02:35.22 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 02:35.53 | penguinbait | I got a bt mouse and there is no passkey, its 0000, there is actually no passkey, how the heck do I use it |
| 02:36.24 | TakMibbit | I think somebody mentioned the wiimotes being like that |
| 02:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta have drivers that treat it correctly. |
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| 02:36.59 | Esworp | Omg. Irc through tje onboard chat program. Bitchin. |
| 02:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | Still a little underfeatured |
| 02:38.39 | Esworp | Does anyone have the url that keeps track of all the maemo repositories? |
| 02:38.50 | penguinbait | I am a little underfeatured ;) |
| 02:38.57 | ds3 | penguinbait: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 02:39.05 | TakMibbit | keeps track of? |
| 02:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | topic, Esworp. |
| 02:39.18 | penguinbait | uh, its a mouse, I want to use it |
| 02:39.19 | packetlossmm | yep, im usimg chat for irc, works great for my basic usage |
| 02:39.23 | penguinbait | :) |
| 02:39.27 | Esworp | Oh. I am a moron. Sorry gang. |
| 02:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 02:39.57 | Vulc|Sickish | GeneralAntilles: You have a igo keyboard, right? |
| 02:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 02:40.03 | ds3 | penguinbait: I'd think you need HID support and to find its BT address |
| 02:40.14 | Vulc|Sickish | do you get slight lag between keypress and the character coming up, general? |
| 02:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | More than a desktop |
| 02:40.26 | Vulc|Sickish | enough that it starts being words behind? |
| 02:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | but not really significant |
| 02:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | No, not that far |
| 02:40.34 | Esworp | Ok. Next one- how do i get erming working on os2008? |
| 02:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | Just a touch of bluetooth/CPU lag. |
| 02:40.40 | Vulc|Sickish | at like, 90 wpm its half a word or s obehind, if not more |
| 02:40.57 | penguinbait | I can get hid support, how do I bind the bt address to use it |
| 02:41.09 | ds3 | ah |
| 02:42.01 | GeneralAntilles | There is a little lag |
| 02:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | but it's mostly a CPU issue. |
| 02:42.08 | penguinbait | I guess I just need bt connection, I must have to make it manually, because the gui wont let me set a device as trusted if I can't pair it |
| 02:42.20 | ds3 | looks like "hidd --connect BT:ADDR" |
| 02:42.39 | ds3 | don't have a bt mouse handy and my keyboard only works in SPP mode :/ |
| 02:43.14 | penguinbait | what the tool to scan for address, they couldn't just print the damn thing for me |
| 02:43.21 | ds3 | hcitool scan |
| 02:43.29 | ds3 | that should list it if it is discoverable |
| 02:44.52 | penguinbait | do I have to install hcitool? bt tools or something |
| 02:45.11 | ds3 | hcitool should be part of bluez by default.. but I heard it is not available on OS2008 |
| 02:45.24 | penguinbait | bah |
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| 02:45.45 | penguinbait | go figure |
| 02:46.03 | ds3 | i am not familiar with OS2008 so someone else will have to chime in |
| 02:46.24 | TakMibbit | does anybody happen to know if there's an sdl binding for vala? |
| 02:47.03 | Esworp | Wtf, since installing the chat upgrade, when i run the control panel it runs gpe calendar without asking. |
| 02:47.19 | TakMibbit | hahahaha |
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| 02:47.35 | TakMibbit | if you launch the browser, does it make you coffee? |
| 02:47.40 | TakMibbit | eek, I guess not |
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| 03:03.27 | shoumik | Hi I'm having some trouble geting the new os2008 on my n800 |
| 03:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of trouble? |
| 03:04.23 | shoumik | When I type in: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -r in terminal |
| 03:04.37 | shoumik | i get a command not found : ./flasher-3.0 |
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| 03:04.46 | TakMibbit | chmod 755 flasher-3.0 |
| 03:05.42 | shoumik | ok this is my output: flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) |
| 03:05.42 | shoumik | RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory |
| 03:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, you need to make sure you're in the directory where flasher-3.0 is located |
| 03:05.53 | shoumik | I am |
| 03:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, where is the .bin? |
| 03:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | Use an absolute directory. |
| 03:06.14 | shoumik | what do u mean |
| 03:06.22 | shoumik | I just saved it into a folder in my desktop |
| 03:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | Linux? |
| 03:06.38 | shoumik | ubuntu |
| 03:06.39 | shoumik | ya' |
| 03:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | Where's the desktop folder on Linux? |
| 03:06.55 | TakMibbit | he means: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F ~/Desktop/RX-blah.bin -f -r |
| 03:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 03:07.50 | shoumik | so i have to have my folder on my desktop with .bin at the end |
| 03:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | You have to tell the flasher where the .bin is |
| 03:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | It can't just guess for you. |
| 03:08.28 | halley | You have to tell the shell where the flasher is, too. |
| 03:08.39 | halley | ./ might not be right either. |
| 03:08.56 | shoumik | o ok |
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| 03:09.38 | dospod | anybody know how to configure phonelink |
| 03:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if it's saying it can't find the firmware, then he's running the flasher. |
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| 03:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | dospod, correctly? :P |
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| 03:10.38 | shoumik | main@shoumik-desktop:~/Desktop/N800$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -r would this help? |
| 03:10.46 | dospod | yes configured correct ;] |
| 03:11.16 | TakMibbit | if both flasher-3.0 and RX...bin are in that directory |
| 03:11.28 | shoumik | ya they are |
| 03:11.31 | lcuk | would itmake more sense to copy the .bin file into the same folder as the flasher then the coomand is simpler? |
| 03:14.06 | shoumik | o and what's with the no such file or directry |
| 03:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | -R |
| 03:14.34 | TakMibbit | which one? |
| 03:14.35 | GeneralAntilles | -R |
| 03:14.44 | shoumik | ? |
| 03:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | -r is different from -R |
| 03:15.07 | shoumik | o |
| 03:15.24 | shoumik | so: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 03:15.40 | shoumik | that doesn't work either |
| 03:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | -r tells it where the rootfs image is and -R tells it to reboot when it's done. |
| 03:16.00 | TakMibbit | ls -lh fl* *bin ? |
| 03:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | You have to point it to the firmware image |
| 03:16.10 | shoumik | how do you do that |
| 03:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | You said it was in a folder on your Desktop, right? |
| 03:16.46 | shoumik | ya |
| 03:17.00 | shoumik | the folders called N800 |
| 03:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F ~/Desktop/N800/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 03:18.16 | shoumik | I get a: flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) |
| 03:18.16 | shoumik | /home/shoumik/Desktop/N800/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory |
| 03:18.39 | shoumik | In the folder on my desktop the image is called nokia_N800.php |
| 03:18.44 | shoumik | is that fine? |
| 03:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | Rename it to nokia_N800.bin |
| 03:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | then do use ~/Desktop/nokia_N800.bin |
| 03:19.08 | lcuk | how big is the file? |
| 03:19.08 | shoumik | kk |
| 03:19.19 | GeneralAntilles | Know bug, lcuk. |
| 03:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | n |
| 03:19.27 | shoumik | big |
| 03:19.46 | lcuk | ahh k - nokia misconfigured server? |
| 03:20.03 | shoumik | Yay i got it!!!!! |
| 03:20.15 | shoumik | Now i just have to connect my n800 |
| 03:20.36 | lcuk | w00t |
| 03:20.43 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . new Mac Pros. |
| 03:21.25 | lcuk | they got tablets yet? |
| 03:21.45 | GeneralAntilles | We'd've heard about those. |
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| 03:21.52 | lcuk | wants a new newton |
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| 03:22.16 | shoumik | what's the home button? |
| 03:22.25 | shoumik | the button with a house? |
| 03:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | The button with a little house on it. |
| 03:22.32 | shoumik | kk |
| 03:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 03:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hold it down |
| 03:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | then keep holding it down and turn it on. |
| 03:23.25 | unique311 | lcuk, did you recieve the email |
| 03:24.12 | shoumik | k i got a finish flashing message on terminal |
| 03:24.15 | shoumik | is that a good sign |
| 03:24.24 | lcuk | not yet did i manage to get addyh rightg tghen :D |
| 03:25.03 | unique311 | yeah, i recieved the email, and sent out the invite. |
| 03:25.08 | lcuk | will get it in morning can barely type let alone open apps |
| 03:25.11 | TakMibbit | shoumik: Yes. |
| 03:25.25 | lcuk | thank you :) |
| 03:25.33 | TakMibbit | then you should get a bar going across the bottom of the screen on the device, then later it should reboot |
| 03:25.55 | shoumik | o now on my n800 it shows the nokia screen with a usb symbol at the top right |
| 03:26.02 | shoumik | should i reboot now? |
| 03:26.09 | dospod | anybody wanna help me with phonelink |
| 03:26.53 | lcuk | dospod sorry i dont know anythin |
| 03:28.10 | shoumik | os2008 is awesome!!!!! |
| 03:28.26 | unique311 | i know somewhat but nothing about phonelink. |
| 03:28.28 | dospod | yes os2008 is |
| 03:28.37 | unique311 | dospod, ya tried google |
| 03:28.41 | lcuk | i think i should go back to lurking its hard typing lay on back and holding nit |
| 03:28.43 | unique311 | it knows everything |
| 03:28.55 | dospod | :0 |
| 03:29.01 | dospod | oh noes |
| 03:29.04 | shoumik | thank you all!! |
| 03:29.10 | shoumik | Bye |
| 03:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if he installed Ubuntu himself, or if somebody did it for him. |
| 03:30.02 | lcuk | lol gen |
| 03:30.42 | lcuk | i installed it on my sons and he played a bit but knew nothin |
| 03:30.49 | TakMibbit | linux doesn't require you to know stuff about directories and permissions to install it any more |
| 03:32.12 | lcuk | it wouldnt be an amazing amount of wwork to write a gui wrapper around the flasher would it? |
| 03:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | See 770Flasher |
| 03:32.32 | GeneralAntilles | no. |
| 03:32.45 | dospod | when is adduser being ported to os2008 |
| 03:32.57 | Esworp | Yay for n770 flasher.app |
| 03:33.21 | TakMibbit | Esworp: no, it is impossible to flash a tablet without Microsoft Windows |
| 03:33.56 | dospod | tek thats a lie |
| 03:33.59 | Esworp | <Gasp!> The hell you say. |
| 03:34.08 | dospod | i flashed mine with os x |
| 03:34.11 | lcuk | so i wonder why nokia assume linux users all know cmdline when lots dont |
| 03:34.17 | TakMibbit | dospod: It's true; I read it in a review. |
| 03:34.22 | lcuk | i would be nervous |
| 03:34.24 | TakMibbit | That's impossible. |
| 03:34.38 | dospod | no its not |
| 03:34.46 | TakMibbit | (I'm just being facetious) |
| 03:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | Esworp, what is this "n770" you speak of? |
| 03:34.59 | dospod | maemo.org has a guide for flashing on unix |
| 03:35.05 | lcuk | dos - mac has unix base |
| 03:35.21 | Esworp | It's like a palmIII but with color. |
| 03:36.32 | halley | Esworp, he's saying, it's a "Nokia 770", not a "Nokia n770". Pedantry. |
| 03:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | But it irritates me to no end. |
| 03:37.10 | lcuk | dam im droppin it - time to go - nite |
| 03:37.11 | TakMibbit | before the n800 came out, we commonly referred to a 770 as an N770, for "Nokia 770" |
| 03:37.48 | TakMibbit | then nokia had to go and release the n800 as an nseries device |
| 03:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | Bull, Tak. :P |
| 03:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | We, being you, maybe. |
| 03:38.23 | TakMibbit | we should refer to them as n770, nn800, and nn810 |
| 03:38.34 | TakMibbit | we being almost everyone I remember in #maemo |
| 03:41.32 | TakMibbit | but, much like the ruler of the Universe, I'm extremely unreliable |
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| 03:46.26 | Sargun | Heya |
| 03:46.51 | TakMibbit | howdy |
| 03:46.51 | Sargun | My application manager seems to be hanging |
| 03:46.57 | Sargun | during the refresh |
| 03:47.10 | Sargun | I'm sniffing the traffic, and its getting a bunch of 404s back |
| 03:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | What does the log say? |
| 03:47.37 | Sargun | where do I get to log |
| 03:48.12 | Sargun | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/./Release.gpg |
| 03:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Application Manager menu |
| 03:49.34 | Sargun | it gives me a bunch of failed to fetches |
| 03:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | On what? |
| 03:50.20 | Sargun | the repo/packages files |
| 03:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 03:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | WHICH repos? |
| 03:51.53 | Sargun | yeah, I'm working on it, give me a momenet |
| 03:52.20 | Esworp | Ok, i'm stumped on how to install erming on 2008, sez i'm missing gdataclient and pysqlite. Where do i obtain these gems? |
| 03:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | Probably bora extras |
| 03:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | search gronmayer.com/it |
| 03:53.22 | Esworp | Wont application installer bitch about conpatability? |
| 03:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | Not if they're compatible. |
| 03:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | Plenty of bora stuff works just fine in chinook |
| 03:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | just not GUI stuff. |
| 03:54.04 | TakMibbit | You mean conpatable. |
| 03:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there's a joke there. |
| 03:55.30 | TakMibbit | There's a joke everywhere, baby. |
| 03:56.02 | Esworp | Nothing called gdataclient was found in the database. :\ |
| 03:56.04 | TakMibbit | ...except there. |
| 03:56.50 | Esworp | Same for pysqlite. Wth. |
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| 04:14.23 | Sargun | it is the updates repo that is failing to get up |
| 04:14.34 | Sargun | but that looks bad on the catalogue |
| 04:14.35 | Sargun | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/ |
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| 04:29.49 | oakleeman | just got my n800 today and have upgraded it to OS2008. Is the "won't power up without removing battery for 10-30 minutes" issue common? |
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| 04:33.05 | Vulc|Sickish | No... |
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| 04:41.36 | oakleeman | a google search returned a thread with some users having this problem, but not many |
| 04:43.03 | halley | I wonder if that is due to rash "got to do lots with new device and barely-begun-charging batteries" behavior. |
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| 04:43.54 | oakleeman | i actually let the battery charge for 5 hrs before I started messing with it |
| 04:44.05 | oakleeman | didn't even turn it on |
| 04:44.12 | oakleeman | til the screen said "fully charged" |
| 04:44.28 | halley | That's good. But moreso. |
| 04:44.30 | halley | Get a new device, let it charge at least twice the usual charging time, longer if possible, to let battery/system tune itself to how much charge it really can hold. |
| 04:45.13 | halley | Might have nothing to do with your setup/issues. |
| 04:45.24 | halley | Flashing is hard on the system. |
| 04:45.28 | oakleeman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8274 |
| 04:45.40 | oakleeman | that's the thread i found |
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| 04:46.48 | tank-man | i flashed with no problems |
| 04:47.04 | halley | We're happy for you, tank. |
| 04:47.25 | oakleeman | it actually messed up on me before I even upgraded it, freaked out a bit thinking it was DOA, then it started working. I upgraded and was able to turn on/off about 3-4 times and then tonight it did it again |
| 04:47.25 | skibur | http://www.gronmayer.com |
| 04:47.29 | skibur | is this working? |
| 04:47.38 | tank-man | just stating so you dont think that problem is common |
| 04:47.51 | oakleeman | i didn't figure it was |
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| 04:48.48 | oakleeman | left it off for 30 minutes and now it turned back on |
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| 04:49.24 | zetheroo | is there any way to download the maps for mapper via the USB connection? |
| 04:49.36 | zetheroo | the wireless connection is SOOOOO slow |
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| 04:51.03 | tank-man | zetheroo, maybe you are trying to download too much |
| 04:51.35 | zetheroo | well it is a lot , but its still too slow for the amount of data |
| 04:51.55 | zetheroo | 750 MB |
| 04:52.26 | tank-man | wow |
| 04:52.29 | oakleeman | USA East? |
| 04:52.36 | oakleeman | USA West is 686 |
| 04:53.01 | zetheroo | I am downloading Sydney in Australia... |
| 04:53.10 | oakleeman | since I'm in Texas I wonder if I'll need both.....lol |
| 04:53.13 | zetheroo | zoom 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 |
| 04:53.33 | halley | oakleeman, e/w of Mississippi River |
| 04:54.27 | oakleeman | west |
| 04:54.38 | halley | Duh, I know where Texas is. |
| 04:54.40 | oakleeman | i gotta buy an SD card first |
| 04:54.46 | halley | I meant that's where they divide the map. |
| 04:54.49 | oakleeman | oh? |
| 04:54.52 | oakleeman | oh..lol |
| 05:02.25 | oakleeman | recommend some neat accessories? |
| 05:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, it's google. |
| 05:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | They throttle after a little while. |
| 05:02.41 | zetheroo | oh |
| 05:02.43 | zetheroo | I see |
| 05:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why it's effective to do it in chunks. |
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| 05:07.25 | rm_you | does anyone have a copy of fanoush's non-whitelist usb kernel for 50-2? |
| 05:07.44 | rm_you | the link in the thread i was reading is broken :/ |
| 05:07.59 | rm_you | and the kernel on his site doesn't appear to include the whitelist patch |
| 05:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | PM him about it. |
| 05:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Who is going to write a blset statusbar applet for me? |
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| 05:13.31 | rm_you | It sounds like an easy enough task... that might be a decent intro to hildon :) |
| 05:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, probably |
| 05:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have any machines I could run scratchbox on easily. |
| 05:14.01 | rm_you | Maybe I'll give it a shot... |
| 05:14.09 | rm_you | though I suppose i'd want to flash his blset kernel |
| 05:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | If you do, two requests: |
| 05:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | Needs to do values 1-127 with a volume-control style slider |
| 05:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | Plus and minus buttons on either end need to increment by 1. |
| 05:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | 0 could actually be useful, too. |
| 05:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | But probably only for the N810 |
| 05:15.10 | rm_you | lol |
| 05:15.13 | rm_you | k |
| 05:15.25 | rm_you | time to do some research into hildon :) |
| 05:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how long the N810 would run without the backlight. |
| 05:15.33 | rm_you | C probably? |
| 05:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
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| 05:15.59 | tank-man | its easy to install scratchbox |
| 05:16.11 | rm_you | if you have a linux machine handy... |
| 05:16.23 | tank-man | there is an install script |
| 05:16.26 | tank-man | yea that too |
| 05:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | not if you don't have an x86 machine handy. |
| 05:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | Though I suppose I could install it on my Xbox. |
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| 05:25.08 | skibur | http://austinche.name/maemo <--- This repositories causes the the whole thing no to update!!!!! |
| 05:25.18 | skibur | not to update |
| 05:25.54 | skibur | avoid this !!!! Austinche repositories |
| 05:26.05 | zetheroo | great!!! I was downloading 750 MB of maps and mapper just crashes after about 40% of completed downloads.... |
| 05:26.12 | zetheroo | so I have to start all over again? |
| 05:26.27 | skibur | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 05:26.57 | skibur | make sure you select all except Austinche |
| 05:27.15 | skibur | I went one by one |
| 05:28.26 | zetheroo | mapper is just crashing on me everytime I try to download maps |
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| 05:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, try smaller chunks. |
| 05:31.44 | zetheroo | this time I tried only zoom 4 for a single residencial area |
| 05:31.49 | zetheroo | thats small no? |
| 05:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | under 50MB |
| 05:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Zoom 4 is a little extreme |
| 05:32.35 | zetheroo | well zoom 5 doesn't show me street |
| 05:32.36 | zetheroo | s |
| 05:32.44 | zetheroo | it was like 47 MB |
| 05:33.05 | zetheroo | is VE street better? |
| 05:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the area |
| 05:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | but generally, no. |
| 05:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's the same map data, basically |
| 05:33.30 | GeneralAntilles | Just different colors. |
| 05:33.57 | zetheroo | I can't even delete my maps |
| 05:34.09 | zetheroo | should I remove mapper and reinstall it? |
| 05:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | To what purpose? |
| 05:34.31 | rm_you | you will need to open the filemanager or xterminal and find the GMaps.db file and delete it |
| 05:34.40 | rm_you | if you want to remove your old maps |
| 05:34.41 | zetheroo | well it just closes everytime I try to do anything |
| 05:34.54 | GeneralAntilles | db is probably corrupted |
| 05:34.56 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | just delete it |
| 05:35.02 | rm_you | that happened to me once |
| 05:35.22 | zetheroo | rm_you: but there is a function in the app for deleting maps and it crashes even when I try that |
| 05:35.32 | rm_you | hrm :/ |
| 05:35.39 | rm_you | well, try what i said, lol |
| 05:35.54 | zetheroo | ok... I just got an error when I closed mapper |
| 05:36.09 | rm_you | :/ |
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| 05:36.33 | zetheroo | Failed to write to path database. Tracks and routes may not be saved. SQL logic error or missing database. |
| 05:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe the db is read-only? |
| 05:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | What is it on? |
| 05:37.19 | zetheroo | it was working fine before |
| 05:37.34 | zetheroo | I dunno where it is |
| 05:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | Did you move it? |
| 05:38.16 | zetheroo | I am in File manager |
| 05:38.20 | zetheroo | no |
| 05:38.22 | zetheroo | never |
| 05:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's on the internal flash |
| 05:38.42 | zetheroo | ok |
| 05:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | and you've probably filled it up. |
| 05:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | You need to move it to one of the external cards |
| 05:38.56 | zetheroo | there is a folder named "map" in the internal flash |
| 05:39.10 | zetheroo | I mean internal memory card |
| 05:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | map is for "Map" |
| 05:39.20 | zetheroo | its on my 4 GB card |
| 05:39.49 | zetheroo | I have a 4GB SDHC card inside |
| 05:40.19 | zetheroo | should I delete the map folder? |
| 05:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | OK, delete the .dbs from your system flash |
| 05:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | then point maemo mapper at mmc2 |
| 05:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 05:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | map is for "Map" |
| 05:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | not maemo mapper |
| 05:41.05 | zetheroo | oh I see |
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| 05:41.34 | zetheroo | how do I delete the .dbs from the system flash? |
| 05:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Go to file manager and delete them. |
| 05:42.02 | zetheroo | where would they be? |
| 05:42.06 | zetheroo | can I search ? |
| 05:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | Probably /home/user/MyDocs |
| 05:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | maybe /home/user/MyDocs/Documents |
| 05:43.33 | zetheroo | ok I went into the Documents folder |
| 05:43.43 | zetheroo | and there is a folder there called "Maps" |
| 05:43.53 | zetheroo | in there is a few files |
| 05:44.03 | zetheroo | one is 95 MB |
| 05:44.15 | zetheroo | GStreet.db |
| 05:44.31 | zetheroo | and there is OpenStreet.db |
| 05:44.37 | zetheroo | its 12kb |
| 05:44.54 | zetheroo | and poi.db ... 3kb |
| 05:45.13 | zetheroo | and VEHybrid.db ..... o.7 mB |
| 05:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | Delete all but poi |
| 05:45.48 | GeneralAntilles | Then open up maemo mapper and move the dbs to a card. |
| 05:46.47 | rm_you | woo, alright, kernel flashed to fanoush's blset version... |
| 05:46.53 | rm_you | now to start learning hildon :) |
| 05:47.22 | zetheroo | ok the folder "Maps" is empty except for poi.db |
| 05:47.46 | zetheroo | shoudl I move the Maps folder to the card? |
| 05:47.47 | rm_you | any idea what the current brightness app is called? i want to grab the icons from it |
| 05:49.08 | zetheroo | how can I make mapper save the databases to the card automatically? |
| 05:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | You have to tell maemo mapper where to store them. |
| 05:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | Open up maemo mapper |
| 05:49.41 | GeneralAntilles | and go to the Map Repositories... menu |
| 05:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | and change the path |
| 05:50.29 | zetheroo | Cache DB path... yes? |
| 05:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 05:51.00 | skibur | Has anybody had problems with RSS feed reader on the Nokia? |
| 05:52.07 | skibur | Everytime I refresh manually, an error states that I unable to refresh lit |
| 05:52.08 | skibur | list |
| 05:52.41 | skibur | anybody have this problem when using rss for 2008 updates? |
| 05:52.46 | zetheroo | is the VE Street server faster to download from than the GStreet one? |
| 05:58.05 | skibur | 2008 use chinook or bora by default? |
| 05:58.49 | Sargun | /catalogue/updates/chinook/Release.gpg not found |
| 05:58.59 | Sargun | why can't my application manager (chinook) gt the updates. |
| 06:00.34 | skibur | did you by any chance used this site to get your repositories? -----> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
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| 06:08.22 | skibur | penguinbait |
| 06:08.29 | skibur | he left |
| 06:08.46 | Sargun | this is wird. |
| 06:08.54 | Sargun | skibur, no, why do you ask |
| 06:09.51 | skibur | on repositories is broken and causes all of the repositories not to update |
| 06:09.58 | skibur | on/one |
| 06:10.23 | Sargun | heh |
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| 06:18.13 | zetheroo | ok... VE Street is definitely faster than Google Street |
| 06:18.36 | zetheroo | I am downloading 250 MB of maps and its abotu a 3rd done |
| 06:20.42 | zetheroo | is there a clock for the notification area? |
| 06:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one. |
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| 06:22.06 | zetheroo | is that a clock as well? |
| 06:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 06:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://madabar.com/techblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/exaile_maemo_20070703.png |
| 06:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | See it there. |
| 06:25.21 | zetheroo | cool |
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| 06:26.48 | zetheroo | is it in the repos? |
| 06:27.39 | zetheroo | I can't find it |
| 06:28.50 | rm_you | maemo hackers |
| 06:29.15 | rm_you | deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ chinook main |
| 06:29.41 | rm_you | echo "deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ chinook main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 06:48.39 | Sargun | This is weird. |
| 06:51.55 | Sargun | The repo works from one IPrange |
| 06:51.57 | Sargun | but not another |
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| 06:55.43 | n6hgg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.47 | Sargun | ? |
| 06:55.50 | skibur | lol |
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| 06:56.05 | Sargun | hehe |
| 06:56.12 | unique311 | let me tell to you something |
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| 06:57.21 | Sargun | My App manager works from my tethered cell phone connection [public IP] but fails for all RFC1918 IPs |
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| 06:58.50 | Luria | hello |
| 06:59.00 | Sargun | hi |
| 06:59.33 | unique311 | hellos |
| 06:59.34 | Luria | share in my huzzahness, openvpn is working properly - ca, windows notebook, n800, routing to all my home computers |
| 07:00.03 | Sargun | nice. |
| 07:00.12 | Sargun | Luria, good job |
| 07:00.16 | unique311 | Houz the performance. |
| 07:00.24 | Luria | now i can set up scratchbox on my headless, pointless, debian box |
| 07:00.28 | Luria | not bad |
| 07:00.51 | Luria | its dependant on the wifi network im using :-)\ |
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| 07:01.26 | Luria | though apparently i didnt open ssh or anything useful on my ubuntu box... other than nfs, id think it was a semi secure windows box |
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| 07:02.30 | Luria | now i have to work on a openvpn front end, because if it's running on my n800 and i come home, the routing gets messed up, for obvious reasons. |
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| 07:04.03 | Luria | i assume debian is the best scratchbox platform? |
| 07:04.33 | pupnik_ | yes but sidux kernels don't work with scratchbox |
| 07:04.41 | pupnik_ | you need... something compiled in that i forgot the name of |
| 07:06.02 | Luria | sid or sidux? |
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| 07:06.59 | Luria | iirc, my debian machine is running etch |
| 07:08.38 | Luria | any gotchas to be aware of? |
| 07:10.46 | blast007 | Luria: I just recently set up scratchbox on etch. worked fine. |
| 07:11.11 | blast007 | I just did a standard install w/ a desktop environment |
| 07:11.25 | Luria | which install script did you use |
| 07:11.35 | Luria | sorry, this is the first chance ive had to do this |
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| 07:12.33 | Luria | also, can i do this strictly from a shell? |
| 07:13.10 | blast007 | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html <-- I used the script on that page, and followed the INSTALL.TXT |
| 07:13.24 | blast007 | and yeah, should be able to do it all on the shell |
| 07:13.26 | pupnik_ | this is just an issue with 'sidux' (the most convenient straight-debian-sid distro I know of) |
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| 07:14.14 | Luria | yeah, reading INSTALL.TXT right now |
| 07:15.20 | Luria | one other thing, for simple cross compiling (e.g. cli apps), can that be done from a shell? |
| 07:15.47 | Luria | i forgot if i set up nx or xrdp |
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| 07:18.21 | blast007 | yeah |
| 07:19.09 | Luria | ok, then ill go do that :-) |
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| 07:24.10 | rm_you | wow, the tutorial on the wiki for making statusbar plugins is broken :/ |
| 07:24.42 | Luria | thats a problem, cause I wanted to do a openvpn frontend as my first project :-/ |
| 07:25.11 | LoCusF | is there a statusbar clock for OS2008? |
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| 07:27.28 | blast007 | LoCusF: 00:17:43 < GeneralAntilles> osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one. |
| 07:27.28 | blast007 | 00:19:56 < GeneralAntilles> http://madabar.com/techblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/exaile_maemo_20070703.png |
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| 08:01.05 | Luria | anyone around? |
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| 08:07.12 | kulve | Luria: if you have a question, ask it. Maybe somebody answers.. |
| 08:07.27 | Luria | was just asking about setting up the sdk |
| 08:07.33 | Luria | which package set to use |
| 08:07.59 | Luria | whether there is a big difference between runtime + dev or runtime+dev+debug |
| 08:08.26 | Luria | or why the default is not the +debug set |
| 08:08.31 | tank-man | you can change it after the fact |
| 08:08.40 | Luria | yeah, i saw that |
| 08:08.57 | Luria | is the debug set handy? diskspace is not an issue |
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| 08:09.30 | tank-man | i am not knowlegdable enough to help, sorry |
| 08:09.33 | Luria | np |
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| 08:12.09 | Luria | wow, the sdk server is fast |
| 08:12.29 | Luria | i mean downloading the sdk |
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| 08:14.25 | jjo | I guess debug not set by default seemed like a good compromise between install time and functionality |
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| 08:15.37 | Luria | ah |
| 08:15.45 | Luria | my time is worthless :-) |
| 08:15.55 | Luria | well, at 3am it is |
| 08:15.59 | jjo | :) |
| 08:16.31 | Luria | i probably dont want to read this eula |
| 08:16.48 | jjo | but those options are just some options. oen could install just the runtime system and just the dev and dbg packages that were needed |
| 08:17.00 | tank-man | they should change the "windows" key on the keyboard to the "next" key |
| 08:17.21 | Luria | believe it or not, i actually use the windows key |
| 08:17.32 | Luria | win+r and win+e are pretty handy |
| 08:17.44 | tank-man | would be a breeze to get thru eula and other installs |
| 08:18.13 | Luria | what, you didnt get an ANY key with your keyboard? |
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| 08:23.16 | simfosho | im trying to flash my n800 to use os2008 via this guide: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux, but my console is stuck at suitable usb device not found, waiting |
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| 08:23.41 | simfosho | is there something classic ppl fuck up here, which I might also have fucked up |
| 08:24.21 | Luria | usually the sequence of button pressing |
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| 08:25.15 | simfosho | ty |
| 08:25.21 | Luria | hold home, hit power until you see it power up and then release the power button immediately |
| 08:25.43 | Luria | hold home until the usb port appears onscreen (top right corner) |
| 08:26.14 | Luria | that is continue to hold home |
| 08:26.44 | jjo | really? well it says so there on the page |
| 08:26.55 | Luria | it is on the page |
| 08:26.59 | jjo | what is the reason for holding down the home key? |
| 08:27.03 | Luria | but the timing is a pain |
| 08:27.09 | simfosho | it is working now :D |
| 08:27.15 | Luria | np :-) |
| 08:27.47 | Luria | the home key puts it in flash mode and not mass storage mode |
| 08:27.51 | Luria | i assume |
| 08:30.17 | jjo | what I've allways done is detach all cables and shut down the device, attach usb cable, run the flasher and plug in the charger |
| 08:32.09 | Luria | odd. im surprised that works without holding home |
| 08:32.38 | Luria | you can use plugging in instead of the power button -this i know |
| 08:32.54 | Luria | but im surprised your method works |
| 08:33.37 | Luria | as long as simfosho's IT is updating, it doesnt matter :-) |
| 08:35.43 | jjo | this was really the first time I heard about holding the home key and I've flashed several devices |
| 08:36.14 | Luria | thats the official way |
| 08:36.24 | michele_ | I flashed my N810 yesterday, it's not needed, on Linux at least |
| 08:36.35 | Luria | all the docs (and windows installer) do it that way |
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| 08:36.49 | michele_ | but my question is another |
| 08:36.51 | jjo | maybe I should try the official way some day :) |
| 08:36.58 | michele_ | I can't get Maemo Mapper to work |
| 08:37.22 | michele_ | the included Map program works, but MM says it can't connect to the GPS device |
| 08:37.29 | michele_ | the internal one |
| 08:38.00 | Luria | did you scan for the bluetooth mac address? |
| 08:38.04 | michele_ | the problem is I started it the first time with the GPS disabled, could that be the cause? |
| 08:38.16 | Luria | (sorry, im not going to be a ton of help here, i dont have a n810) |
| 08:38.33 | Luria | and of course, you have to enable gps in the menu |
| 08:38.33 | michele_ | the internal one shouldn't be bluetooth |
| 08:38.39 | michele_ | I did |
| 08:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | jjo, it's not really necessary if you get the timing right. |
| 08:38.53 | Luria | oops |
| 08:38.55 | Luria | of course |
| 08:39.43 | Luria | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14120 |
| 08:40.13 | Luria | you do need to select bluetooth, but not put in a mac address |
| 08:40.39 | Luria | (the wonders of google) |
| 08:41.06 | michele_ | thank you! |
| 08:41.09 | Luria | np |
| 08:41.32 | Luria | i kinda suspected that was the case :-) |
| 08:41.52 | michele_ | I saw the device file in /dev, so I told it to use that |
| 08:41.57 | michele_ | but no dice |
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| 08:42.52 | michele_ | have to say the internal GPS is rather crappy, though |
| 08:42.56 | Luria | it is |
| 08:43.09 | Luria | another reason i havent upgraded |
| 08:43.26 | Luria | "upgraded" i mean :-) |
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| 08:46.55 | michele_ | now there is one thing I really really want |
| 08:47.06 | michele_ | a PDF reader that works in portrait mode |
| 08:47.18 | michele_ | fbreader doesn't read PDFs |
| 08:47.36 | michele_ | and I don't feel like using plucker on all my tech books |
| 08:47.36 | Luria | sigh. cant help you there. |
| 08:47.44 | Luria | i miss evince. |
| 08:48.01 | Luria | tho i dont know if it did portrait |
| 08:48.06 | michele_ | the included reader would be fine, if only it would rotate... |
| 08:48.18 | Luria | what you really want is DE/reflowed pdf |
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| 08:48.34 | michele_ | yes, evince can rotate |
| 08:48.45 | Luria | i never noticed that under 2007 |
| 08:48.56 | michele_ | 2007 had evince? |
| 08:49.00 | Luria | yes |
| 08:49.08 | Luria | much faster than the native pdf reader |
| 08:49.09 | michele_ | I meant that evince on gnome can rotate :) |
| 08:49.15 | Luria | oh |
| 08:49.16 | Luria | :-) |
| 08:49.30 | simfosho | what is the default console texteditor in os2008, im used to nano and after I just flashed my n800, it doesnt have nano installed and its not in the apt repository :| |
| 08:49.36 | Luria | vi |
| 08:49.55 | simfosho | ah crap :p |
| 08:49.56 | Luria | which is why vi is best (except that vim is better) |
| 08:50.25 | johnx | nano is available |
| 08:50.29 | Luria | vi is *always* the default editor, especially in small systems |
| 08:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | simfosho, http://www.aeracode.org/projects/maemo/ |
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| 08:51.34 | Veggen | I would recommend learning a bit of vi. It's a very powerful editor, although not particulary beginner-friendly. |
| 08:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's not so bad once you understand the concept. |
| 08:51.56 | Luria | actually i would suggest installing vim and running vimtutor |
| 08:52.09 | Luria | most of what you will learn is backwards compatible |
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| 08:52.35 | michele_ | also not particularly suited to a thumb-keyboard :) |
| 08:52.42 | Luria | with the notable exception of undo, where the busybox vi sucks |
| 08:52.43 | michele_ | and I say this as a vim used |
| 08:53.03 | michele_ | I guess it's the original vi, with one level of undo |
| 08:53.04 | simfosho | awesome GeneralAntilles :D just what I needed |
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| 08:53.21 | Luria | meh - as long as you remember the cancel key = escape , it's fine - and I say this as a N800 user :-) |
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| 08:54.01 | Luria | but I did get an apple BT keyboard for longer vim sessions |
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| 08:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | Wish they still had a numpad on their BT boards. |
| 08:54.36 | Luria | seriously tho, you cant use linux without *some* vi skills |
| 08:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | Or that somebody would stick a BT module into a Model M. |
| 08:54.46 | Luria | ha |
| 08:55.00 | Luria | maybe cherry makes one ? |
| 08:55.08 | simfosho | Luria, used linux for around 8 years without ever touching vi/vim now |
| 08:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder how much it would take to talk Unicomp into it. |
| 08:55.41 | michele_ | yes, most of my colleagues don't know vi |
| 08:55.50 | Luria | simfosho, if you find yourself using systems with busybox, it is very handy |
| 08:56.13 | Luria | especially when there is limited space to install something else |
| 08:56.17 | michele_ | Luria: "using system with busybox" is not that a typical Linux usage scenario :) |
| 08:56.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:56.27 | Luria | it is here :-) |
| 08:56.48 | michele_ | there's a whole world outside there, you know ;) |
| 08:56.52 | Luria | plus wrt distros are a common thing |
| 08:57.08 | Luria | for moderatedly skilled users |
| 08:58.06 | johnx | I avoided anything more than rudimentary vi for 8 years of Linux use as well |
| 08:58.29 | Luria | i didnt say you needed anything more than rudimentary skills |
| 08:58.52 | Luria | but if you cant switch modes, or save, or even :q |
| 08:58.52 | johnx | it's ungodly annoying if you don't know how to cut n' paste in it though |
| 08:59.06 | Luria | you will likely run into problems |
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| 08:59.13 | johnx | fair enough |
| 08:59.51 | johnx | yeah if you don't know :q! then eventually something will throw you into vi based on the $EDITOR var and you'll be stuck |
| 08:59.58 | Luria | even if it just to edit sudoers and sources.lst (or equivalent) to install the editor of your choice |
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| 09:05.59 | michele_ | I think by now most "normal" users (I mean this as desktop users) can manage Linux without ever touching the shell or vi |
| 09:06.22 | michele_ | if you are tinkering on it, that's a whole different story |
| 09:06.38 | johnx | and even then every debian/ubuntu for the last 4+ years has had nano in the default install |
| 09:07.06 | michele_ | I see many new users using synaptic to install stuff, and I absolutely don't understand how they can not hate it :) |
| 09:07.25 | Luria | synaptic isnt too bad |
| 09:07.30 | johnx | why hate it? |
| 09:07.43 | michele_ | ok, it's me, then |
| 09:07.49 | Luria | a bit clunky, but it's always done what i wanted |
| 09:07.50 | michele_ | I find it very clunky |
| 09:08.18 | johnx | it is a little painful on low end hardware, but it has type-ahead find and that's really 90% of what I want |
| 09:08.29 | Luria | i mean, (especially on the n800) i still use dpkg and apt-get |
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| 09:08.49 | Luria | and there is always aptitude |
| 09:08.59 | Luria | (for x86) |
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| 09:09.12 | Luria | actually, i would love aptitude for maemo |
| 09:09.36 | Luria | <- he says while finishing up his scratchbox install |
| 09:10.02 | johnx | strangely enough even aptitude it quite slow on my zaurus |
| 09:10.12 | johnx | might have to do with how slow the SD access is though |
| 09:10.13 | Luria | you have not hated a package manager until you have used the default maemo one |
| 09:10.20 | michele_ | aptitude FTW |
| 09:10.20 | Luria | which zaurus? |
| 09:10.26 | johnx | C1000 |
| 09:10.44 | Luria | nice |
| 09:11.04 | johnx | kinda |
| 09:11.05 | Luria | i thought about that for a week before jumping on the n800 bandwagon last june |
| 09:11.14 | johnx | good choice |
| 09:11.22 | Luria | but the speed and lack of support turned me away |
| 09:11.32 | johnx | the web browser situation is what killed it for me |
| 09:11.33 | Luria | the death of my 5600 didnt hurt either |
| 09:11.48 | johnx | I still play with it though |
| 09:11.50 | Luria | the charging circuit just died |
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| 09:12.31 | johnx | the keyboard on it is really nice though |
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| 09:12.48 | johnx | both the 5x00 and the cxx00 keyboards |
| 09:13.01 | Luria | yeah, i would love a nokia in c1000/3200 format |
| 09:13.14 | cosmo | where can i find (or is there) libglade2-0 for maemo? |
| 09:14.08 | michele_ | Luria: oh well, as for package managers to hate there is always dselect... |
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| 09:14.43 | Luria | meh. i miss (open)bsd's port/package system |
| 09:15.13 | Luria | probably why i favor debian, its the most bsd like linux, imo |
| 09:16.13 | michele_ | no, that is (or rather was) slackware |
| 09:16.53 | Luria | well, yeah, kinda |
| 09:17.08 | Luria | i havent used slackware in a long time |
| 09:17.32 | Luria | and maybe its the effects of time on my memories, but i find debian "cleaner" somehow |
| 09:17.35 | johnx | cosmo, check out http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php |
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| 09:17.58 | Luria | one sec, nx'ing |
| 09:18.09 | Luria | (maybe) |
| 09:19.51 | Luria | yes, yes i am. |
| 09:20.00 | Luria | god i love my new openvpn setup |
| 09:20.16 | cosmo | bora extras seems to have libglade |
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| 09:20.42 | Luria | careful with mixing that with chinook |
| 09:20.48 | Luria | afk |
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| 09:22.21 | |tbb| | anyone familar with the script case syntax from shell |
| 09:23.41 | johnx | |tbb|, I know the basics |
| 09:24.21 | johnx | |tbb|, Are you trying to do something fancy? |
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| 09:28.58 | johnx | Shot in the dark here: Does anyone know how the resolution independence in maemo is progressing? |
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| 09:29.57 | Luria | hmmm scratchbox is fun |
| 09:30.11 | Luria | i cant wait to play |
| 09:30.21 | X-Fade_ | johnx: You can try this on your regular pc: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=hildon&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all |
| 09:30.39 | |tbb| | not really i would like to know how i can fire up a function after a case is selected i will pm you just a sec |
| 09:30.53 | X-Fade_ | johnx: There seem to be packages for gutsy, so I guess testing is easy.. |
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| 09:34.38 | |tbb| | johnx got it? |
| 09:37.11 | johnx | yeah, |
| 09:37.14 | johnx | was afk |
| 09:37.15 | michele_ | oh, they are working on a resolution-indipendent UI? |
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| 09:39.19 | Luria | yeah |
| 09:39.24 | michele_ | that's great |
| 09:39.30 | Luria | theories abound |
| 09:39.37 | michele_ | eheh |
| 09:39.48 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 09:40.00 | michele_ | however, I am spoiled by using the iPhone touch screen |
| 09:40.07 | michele_ | that's really slick |
| 09:40.31 | Luria | meh. i know some hacker buddies are impressed, but i'm just not. |
| 09:41.07 | jkyro_ | anybody know about making python debs? |
| 09:41.22 | Luria | grrr.... something as useful as xrdp should be in a debian repository |
| 09:41.38 | jkyro_ | e.g. why doesn't python-distutils.mk work? |
| 09:41.46 | michele_ | Luria: the touch screen is much better than anything else, more sensitive, more precise |
| 09:42.00 | michele_ | as for the software, that's up to your tastes |
| 09:42.16 | jkyro_ | or rather, where is pyversions? |
| 09:42.52 | Luria | maybe. i would prefer a better maemo interface and a small, long life, triband hsdpa phone. |
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| 09:45.25 | rm_you_ | Anyone know what GTK container is being used in the brightness / volume statusbar apps? Whatever it is manages to hold a hscale widget... GTK_MENU doesn't seem to be willing to hold one, as i can't make it into a menu_item >_> |
| 09:45.35 | matmo | morning all. Need help getting logging into SB. Started Xephyr but get "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! (1)" trying to log into SB |
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| 09:46.05 | bedboi | i got my n810! |
| 09:46.45 | rm_you | Rather, is it possible to force a GTK hscale widget into a menu container somehow? |
| 09:46.54 | matmo | btw: this is not a new SB install. Had it running in vmware for over a month but had to restart to increase display resolution |
| 09:47.33 | matmo | bedboi: congrats! Waiting for mine any day now. |
| 09:47.35 | bedboi | i have a problem |
| 09:47.45 | bedboi | the gps seems not to work properly |
| 09:47.57 | bedboi | i never been able to get full signal |
| 09:48.08 | bedboi | s/i/i've/ |
| 09:48.09 | michele_ | get outside and wait :) |
| 09:48.15 | michele_ | it's just that crappy |
| 09:48.19 | matmo | bedboi: read the long thread on ITT? |
| 09:48.31 | bedboi | matmo: nope |
| 09:48.41 | bedboi | matmo: is it a hw problem? |
| 09:48.58 | matmo | first time can take a while |
| 09:49.17 | bedboi | matmo: can you define "while"? |
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| 09:49.28 | michele_ | several minutes |
| 09:49.29 | Luria | thats often the case for gps units |
| 09:49.33 | matmo | best read the ITT thread. Varies |
| 09:49.38 | bedboi | ok matmo |
| 09:50.01 | matmo | any devs? |
| 09:50.17 | matmo | need help logging in to SB |
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| 09:51.02 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: It is the same gps as in N95. Those have a really hard time to get a fix. |
| 09:51.29 | bedboi | the one in neo seems very fast |
| 09:51.43 | johnx | matmo, do you get an error when you run /scratchbox/login? |
| 09:51.50 | bedboi | it gets like 20 seconds |
| 09:51.51 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: For N95 they added A-GPS to shorten the time to get a fix. |
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| 09:52.24 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: First fix is always slower. It caches the current position to get a fix quicker every time after that.. |
| 09:52.32 | bedboi | ok |
| 09:52.46 | matmo | johnx: just "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! (1)" |
| 09:52.50 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: Just leave it near a window and let it sit :) |
| 09:53.26 | bedboi | in my office i sit near a widow (< 1 m) |
| 09:53.40 | bedboi | so it's natural place is near a window :) |
| 09:54.00 | bedboi | btw other than this issue the device is really great |
| 09:54.08 | bedboi | the keyboard is really amazing |
| 09:55.00 | johnx | matmo, are you on debian/ubuntu? is the /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core service started? |
| 09:56.27 | |tbb| | bedboi, happy hacking |
| 09:56.34 | bedboi | |tbb|: thanks |
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| 09:57.48 | matmo | johnx: I am using Puppy Linux (in VMWare). Doesn't appear to be any service running |
| 09:58.06 | johnx | aaah |
| 09:58.50 | johnx | hmm |
| 09:58.54 | matmo | johnx: maybe I have missed a step but isn't it: start Xephyr, log-in to SB, start AF |
| 09:59.23 | matmo | ...and the SB log-in would start whatever needed |
| 09:59.25 | matmo | ? |
| 10:00.12 | matmo | afaik I am following the destructions to the letter |
| 10:00.26 | johnx | it could be an incompatibility between puppy linux and scratchbox |
| 10:00.54 | johnx | is there a reason you're attached to it? trying a normal debian-based distro might be easier in the long run ... |
| 10:01.27 | matmo | but I've had it working several times. Only changed from xorg to xvesa this morning... hmmm, maybe thats the problem |
| 10:01.47 | johnx | oh! you already got it running once |
| 10:01.53 | johnx | ok, well that's easier |
| 10:02.02 | matmo | yep, for several months now |
| 10:02.31 | johnx | I don't think the x server matters at this stage |
| 10:02.37 | johnx | so what else did you do since the last time that you had it working? |
| 10:02.50 | matmo | agree, nothing else changed |
| 10:03.11 | johnx | you also might want to try /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart then try logging in to scratchbox again |
| 10:04.11 | chille | how do i compile a makefile with scratchbox? |
| 10:04.16 | matmo | looking for it now |
| 10:04.20 | chille | i can't figure out how to juse compile the file |
| 10:04.30 | rm_you | chille: type "make" |
| 10:04.40 | rm_you | I assume there are other files along with it? |
| 10:04.47 | rm_you | Like something.c ? |
| 10:05.25 | chille | rm_you: yeah, and then i get SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 10:05.27 | chille | :o |
| 10:05.33 | bedboi | oh, i got the signal |
| 10:05.40 | chille | yes it is, i'm trying to compile sqlite3 |
| 10:06.23 | X-Fade_ | chille: sqlite3 is already in the device? |
| 10:06.30 | rm_you | try "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" |
| 10:06.30 | chille | X-Fade_: no i'ts not? |
| 10:07.00 | chille | X-Fade_: well maybe it is, but there is no admin tools for sqlite3 |
| 10:07.17 | rm_you | also, yes, sqlite3 is there :) |
| 10:07.17 | chille | X-Fade_: so i can't create and/or modify a database from the console |
| 10:07.42 | rm_you | the command line interface is via the package "sqlite" i belive |
| 10:07.45 | rm_you | *believe |
| 10:07.58 | chille | and where do i get that? |
| 10:08.04 | rm_you | apt-get install sqlite |
| 10:08.08 | chille | the only sqlite package i can find is for sqlite2 |
| 10:08.19 | chille | hmm |
| 10:08.26 | X-Fade_ | chille: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sqlite3/ |
| 10:09.24 | chille | well, theres another problem with running apt-get install, i don't have the root password :/ |
| 10:10.31 | chille | hmm.. lol.. wtf.. now "sudo gainroot" works |
| 10:10.55 | chille | all other times it asked me for a root password :( |
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| 10:11.42 | chille | well, maybe it solved my problem then. thanks for the help |
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| 10:15.56 | Luria | wtf, my etch box doesnt have gcc |
| 10:16.07 | Luria | that might be why make failed, huh. |
| 10:18.06 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:18.14 | rm_you | build-essential FTW :P |
| 10:18.42 | rm_you | meanwhile, i'm going to pass out. |
| 10:18.44 | rm_you | g'nite |
| 10:19.27 | Luria | night |
| 10:21.33 | Luria | sigh. my debian box is turning into a dedicated headless development machine |
| 10:21.45 | Luria | well, it wasnt doing anything. |
| 10:22.27 | johnx | yup, gcc will do that alright. First it's a simple package recompile then next thing you know it you're up at 3AM ... "hacking" |
| 10:22.39 | Luria | well, its worse |
| 10:22.44 | Luria | it was openvpn |
| 10:22.51 | Luria | then, oh i got routing working |
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| 10:23.03 | Luria | might as well put that etch box to work |
| 10:23.12 | Luria | then it was scratchbox |
| 10:23.41 | Luria | but nx is screwy with resolutions, |
| 10:23.52 | Luria | so it became, hmmm xrdp - interesting |
| 10:24.02 | Luria | and then make failed, |
| 10:24.12 | Luria | and then it became 5:30am |
| 10:24.35 | matmo | johnx: ok, got the service started but now get "sudo: can't stat /etc/sudoers: No such file or directory" when attempting to log-in as "sbuser" |
| 10:25.01 | johnx | that's no good |
| 10:25.08 | Minti | how to create your own hildon theme |
| 10:25.42 | matmo | never had all this before. Guess I have to add "sbuser" to sudoers? |
| 10:25.57 | johnx | it looks like sudoers doesn't even exist |
| 10:25.59 | Luria | otoh, i now have a real openvpn setup with certs, multiple clients, and seamless routing - not like the previous psk passthrough to my winxp box... |
| 10:26.23 | johnx | matmo, do you think something might have broken on your puppy linux install? |
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| 10:26.29 | Luria | ...and a working scratchbox |
| 10:26.40 | johnx | /etc/sudoers doesn't just get up and go away... |
| 10:26.51 | chille | X-Fade_: the sqlite in your links is only the library, not the CLI tools :( |
| 10:26.53 | Luria | sudo rm will make it run |
| 10:27.00 | Minti | how to create your own hildon theme? |
| 10:27.28 | johnx | Minti, lots of google results for "howto make hildon theme" |
| 10:28.02 | matmo | johnx: correct, doesn't exist. Maybe because Puppy originally runs as root, although I have since added another user "sbuser". |
| 10:28.23 | johnx | right, but /scratchbox/login never complained before? |
| 10:28.27 | matmo | johnx: still, sb login *has* worked prreviously |
| 10:28.35 | matmo | nope |
| 10:29.45 | matmo | hmmm, checking out "adduser" |
| 10:30.22 | johnx | Minti, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ |
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| 10:38.06 | |tbb| | whats the name of the modest developer, does he stay on irc sometimes? |
| 10:38.58 | Luria | yeah, cant recall his name, but he's been here |
| 10:39.01 | X-Fade_ | |tbb|: djcb and pvanhoof.. |
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| 10:51.35 | |tbb| | thx |
| 10:55.44 | Luria | alrighty, offline mode for me |
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| 10:55.58 | Luria | night/morning all |
| 10:58.15 | X-Fade_ | islandsvinur: Did you call the 0800 today yet? Keep the presure high ;) |
| 10:58.42 | islandsvinur | X-Fade_: I'm sure someone else confused them today already :) |
| 10:59.18 | X-Fade_ | islandsvinur: Yeah, I called them and they confirmed the problem. But they are still waiting for a solution from Nokia Finland. |
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| 11:00.28 | islandsvinur | X-Fade_: yup, that's what I heard on the phone yesterday, they'd get back to me within 48 hours via mail, so I'll just wait (and continue playing around with my n810 ;)) |
| 11:00.41 | X-Fade_ | islandsvinur: I also tried to order a N810 and they were going to ship it without mentioning that it is the wrong version. |
| 11:00.52 | X-Fade_ | islandsvinur: So they haven't learnt anything :D |
| 11:02.15 | matmo | johnx: success! I must have run "run_me_first" and selected "use sudo mode" earlier. Note to self: must make notes to self :-$ |
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| 11:21.20 | |tbb| | when does modest look for an email? also if there is no active connection to wan? |
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| 11:28.28 | lardman | morning |
| 11:28.57 | lardman | Is there a good intro to how to setup an svn repo anywhere? |
| 11:30.15 | Dist | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 11:30.28 | Dist | Though it contains also everything else about svn also =D |
| 11:31.30 | lardman | hmm, I'm not after the technical details, but rather what one should put inside, branches, trunk, etc. |
| 11:32.08 | lardman | ah, looks like that's in there actually, thanks |
| 11:32.43 | hullfandan | morning lardman. Did you get your 810? |
| 11:33.04 | lardman | hullfandan: yes thanks |
| 11:33.13 | lardman | hullfandan: how's your sdl testing going? |
| 11:33.39 | hullfandan | lardman: much better for your help thanks. I'm still haveing trouble with my makefile and the sdl lib but I'll get there |
| 11:34.08 | lardman | hullfandan: what's your problem then> |
| 11:34.09 | hullfandan | lardman: but I'm happy sftp'ing stuff to the device and trying to run it on the device now thanks |
| 11:34.19 | lardman | hullfandan: :) |
| 11:35.41 | lardman | With the garage projects, it looks like there's a commits list and a forum, do any projects have discussion lists? |
| 11:36.25 | hullfandan | lardman: basically I have lazilly been using esbox/eclispe to run my code in Xephyr as x86. I now need to sort out my make file so i can build to areml target from the command line |
| 11:36.48 | lardman | hullfandan: ah, ok, well good luck :) |
| 11:37.08 | hullfandan | lardman: and I don't think I am calling the libs correctly. I'll get there though. If I get really stuck I'll ask on here but I like to struggle with these things for t least 24 hours first ;) |
| 11:38.08 | lardman | hullfandan: np, I'm not all that hot on Makefiles, I tend to create one then copy it for all my projects changing names as I go along |
| 11:39.12 | hullfandan | lardman: me too, but that falls over a bit when you start referencing new libraries and files, etc. I am much happier today though so I'll get thre :D |
| 11:39.50 | lardman | cool |
| 11:42.36 | lardman | ssvb: ping |
| 11:42.57 | ssvb | lardman: pong |
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| 11:43.47 | lardman | ssvb: I was looking at that dsp colour conversion task the other day and was wondering where the call to the lcd controller to change the framebuffer format will be made? |
| 11:43.51 | Jaffa | lardman: I know mud-builder has a discussion list; others probably do too |
| 11:44.04 | lardman | ssvb: should that be done in my lib or will mplayer have already done it? |
| 11:44.37 | lardman | Jaffa: ok, I just setup a dst-tremor garage project and thought a mailing list would be the best way to discuss things |
| 11:44.56 | lardman | Jaffa: I'll have a look and do some more requesting :) |
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| 11:45.22 | ssvb | lardman: I had an impression that DSP can request screen update itself (which is handled in kernel on ARM side without swithing to userspace) |
| 11:45.38 | lardman | ssvb: it can perform the update, but can't change the format afaict |
| 11:46.11 | lardman | ssvb: I presume some ioctl call must be made to say whether you want rgb or yuvXXX, etc. |
| 11:46.18 | ssvb | lardman: color format is part of screen update request (in addition to position and size) |
| 11:46.32 | lardman | ssvb: oh, hmm |
| 11:47.02 | lardman | ssvb: I'll have to have another look at the dsp-side update call, I didn't think it took any params (but I only had a quick look) |
| 11:47.47 | ssvb | lardman: framebuffer api is 'stateless' in this respect, which is a good thing. otherwise concurrent access to framebuffer from mplayer and xserver would have a lot more problems than we have now |
| 11:48.11 | lardman | ssvb: Oh yes that's good, I just didn't realise it was |
| 11:48.55 | lardman | ssvb: I'll have to get on and finishing the interface lib so you can link it to mplayer and I can start testing whether my conversion routine works |
| 11:48.56 | michele_ | why is people using mplayer instead of the included framework? |
| 11:49.09 | lardman | ssvb, all yours :) |
| 11:49.25 | michele_ | I though that would be better because it uses the hardware decoding when available |
| 11:49.32 | michele_ | I doubt mplayer does that |
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| 11:49.57 | lardman | Gstreamer uses the dsp for audio only (it used to use it for video too) |
| 11:50.12 | lardman | ssvb has got mplayer to use the mp3 decoder dsp task |
| 11:50.41 | lardman | so that is a mute point for video with an mp3 audio track |
| 11:50.45 | lardman | moot even |
| 11:51.53 | lardman | I'm sure ssvb will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he found it easier to work with the mplayer code and people than the gstreamer ones |
| 11:51.59 | michele_ | so what is the advantage of using mplayer? broader formats support? |
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| 11:52.12 | lardman | better arm optimisation of many things |
| 11:52.19 | lardman | and yes, more formats |
| 11:53.39 | |tbb| | wow @ powerlaunch 0.7 has now been released. This is the first releasewith a mce replacement and a goal of having the default install bea drop-in replacement for systemui/mce. |
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| 11:55.36 | Spakman | alterego: I notice your repos is down and maemo.rubyx.co.uk has a holding page. Where should I look for updates? |
| 11:56.10 | ssvb | lardman: regarding DSP color format library, it should really improve video performance on Nokia 770 (for VGA resolution videos), though I'm not sure if it will be enough for practical use with any such high resolution videos. Anyway, it is an interesting project :) |
| 11:56.31 | lardman | ssvb: yeah, something to occupy some spare time :) |
| 11:57.05 | michele_ | lardman: but I noticed that, at least with MediaBox (which uses mplayer), the audio playing sometimes skips when doing other things, while that doesn't happen with the built-in media player |
| 11:57.09 | lardman | ssvb: Once I've worked out the framebuffer format it would be interesting to try scaling too, assuming it's fast enough |
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| 11:57.26 | ssvb | lardman: I have some ideas for scaling too |
| 11:57.29 | lardman | michele_: that would be a question for ssvb, not for me |
| 11:58.26 | lardman | michele_: but I'd guess that with other things taking up cpu time, the video & audio sync suffers; I imagine this might also happen with the built in player |
| 11:58.45 | michele_ | lardman: just playing MP3s, not videos |
| 12:00.14 | ssvb | lardman: It should be possible to generate some optimized scaling functions for a few popular resolutions (QCIF, CIF, 640x360->800x450, ...) |
| 12:00.18 | lardman | michele_: well you could probably fix that by altering the mplayer config file to use the dsp for mp3 decoding |
| 12:00.55 | lardman | ssvb: with specific optimised instructions for each I presume |
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| 12:02.35 | ssvb | lardman: I mean some automatically generated static C code (heavily unrolling loops) tuned for each source resolution separately |
| 12:02.52 | lardman | ssvb: yep |
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| 12:08.23 | |tbb| | anyone has ever worked with powerlaunch? |
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| 12:20.37 | bedboi | i have a quick question... how to access to the luminosity sensor on n810? |
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| 12:29.30 | lardman | is it exposed in the sysfs? |
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| 12:30.38 | t_s_o | ah, sometimes im just to damn lucky. just found myself a used N800 :D |
| 12:30.48 | pupnik770 | regreets |
| 12:30.56 | lardman | hi pupnik770 |
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| 12:31.45 | pupnik770 | hii lardman |
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| 12:36.16 | |tbb| | powerlaunch seems not work on n810, right now |
| 12:36.46 | |tbb| | cant use the power button anymore after doing the howto steps |
| 12:37.39 | hullfandan | YAY. I just got my sdl code running on hardware. It crashes after a bit but I don't care, it works. That took ages :/ |
| 12:38.05 | hullfandan | thanks for your help transfering it to thedevice lardman |
| 12:40.18 | lardman | np, glad you've got it working |
| 12:42.35 | pupnik770 | hullfandan: i am interested in sdl |
| 12:43.03 | pupnik770 | do you have a page to share your experiences? |
| 12:43.09 | pupnik770 | i am your sdl friend |
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| 12:54.10 | lardman | ah, regarding lists on garage projects, I see that I can add a new one |
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| 13:09.23 | nick_fn | On OS2007, is there a way to switch off the dimming when the tablet has mains power? I'd like to use it as a photo frame... |
| 13:10.18 | pupnik770 | yes nick |
| 13:10.48 | pupnik770 | see pupnik.de/770power.html |
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| 13:11.11 | pupnik770 | gives you different power profiles when on mains and on battery |
| 13:11.15 | pupnik770 | wb doc home |
| 13:11.33 | doc|home | hey pupnik770 |
| 13:12.04 | pupnik770 | you see the link on constitutional education |
| 13:12.06 | nick_fn | pupnik770: thanks. 404 though? |
| 13:12.09 | pupnik770 | oh crap wrong channel |
| 13:12.20 | pupnik770 | ok nick go to pupnik.de and click on acmonitor |
| 13:12.42 | nick_fn | oh, lots of cool stuff. UAE :-) |
| 13:12.53 | pupnik770 | yeah i dry |
| 13:12.54 | nick_fn | cannon fodder?! I hope.... |
| 13:12.55 | pupnik770 | try |
| 13:13.19 | pupnik770 | uae needs work |
| 13:14.14 | pupnik770 | i'll get back into it soon, the battle for freedom in the USA has sidetracked my maemo work |
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| 13:18.12 | nick_fn | pupnik770: will this let me turn *off* the delay before dimming? I see no option for that, the max seems 2 minutes |
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| 13:20.19 | pupnik770 | NickDe: ok the max delay is a dealybob you need to do from the command line |
| 13:20.26 | pupnik770 | search the internettalk forums |
| 13:20.49 | nick_fn | ok, ta |
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| 13:23.27 | pupnik770 | imm sorry we didnt make it built in |
| 13:23.41 | pupnik770 | you need to do some shell stuff to extend the screen timeouts |
| 13:24.13 | nick_fn | I've not found a reply on ITT talk yet, just people asking the same as me :-) |
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| 13:28.01 | pupnik770 | NickDe: sorry i don't have the link handy |
| 13:28.10 | nick_fn | ok, thank you anyway |
| 13:28.13 | pupnik770 | search gconf and screen delay |
| 13:28.32 | pupnik770 | i'm on the 770 and its kind of a pita to search ITT |
| 13:28.43 | pupnik770 | ITT is not tabletl friendly |
| 13:28.55 | Jon | ironic |
| 13:28.57 | pupnik770 | i posted a thread showing how to extend the timeouts |
| 13:29.22 | pupnik770 | search posts by arnims |
| 13:32.00 | nick_fn | ah, thanks! |
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| 13:32.50 | matmo | wooo, N810 arrived! Order Sunday, despatched Monday, arrived Wednesday (std del). Happy, happy, happy :-$ |
| 13:33.25 | Jaffa | Yay, Mrs Jaffa says developer N810's arrived (UK) |
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| 13:38.11 | pupnik770 | matmo wheree |
| 13:38.19 | matmo | uk |
| 13:38.28 | pupnik770 | nick yeah you can extend it |
| 13:38.35 | pupnik770 | should be default |
| 13:38.46 | pupnik770 | uk was early, kudos to the shop |
| 13:39.12 | pupnik770 | here's a fact to spinnn your head |
| 13:39.26 | pupnik770 | the omap 3430 was announced in feb 2006 |
| 13:40.12 | pupnik770 | two years from the soc to the products |
| 13:40.18 | pupnik770 | long time in the portable world |
| 13:41.18 | X-Fade_ | pupnik770: Wait until the first Nokia phones appear with it. Then you know that a tablet with them is around the corner ;) |
| 13:41.32 | X-Fade_ | pupnik770: N8x0 is basically a N95. |
| 13:42.07 | pupnik770 | hey i dont want to say bad things. nokia are HEROESs |
| 13:42.14 | pupnik770 | for supporting linux like this |
| 13:42.22 | matmo | agree |
| 13:42.31 | X-Fade_ | pupnik770: That's why I still believe we can have video-out on N8x0 ;) |
| 13:42.32 | pupnik770 | i'm sitting in a bar using irssi dammit |
| 13:42.55 | pupnik770 | you don't mean N9x0? |
| 13:43.06 | X-Fade_ | Nope.. N800 and N810.. |
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| 13:43.33 | pupnik770 | there is no video out for them |
| 13:43.40 | X-Fade_ | The omap supports it and the jack plug is wired.. |
| 13:43.41 | pupnik770 | what u talkin bout willus |
| 13:43.47 | pupnik770 | it IS? |
| 13:43.53 | pupnik770 | what plug? |
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| 13:44.08 | X-Fade_ | The audio plug. or Nokia AV plug.. |
| 13:44.13 | X-Fade_ | 4 banded connector.. |
| 13:44.37 | pupnik770 | wow |
| 13:44.54 | pupnik770 | i need to review the schematics :P |
| 13:44.54 | X-Fade_ | Check the default N810 customer page.. |
| 13:45.44 | X-Fade_ | 3.5 mm stereo headphone plug (Nokia AV Connector) |
| 13:47.22 | X-Fade_ | There is support for tv-out in the linux-omap tree. The problem is that the framebuffer size is for smaller displays. So that needs to be changed. |
| 13:48.45 | pupnik770 | um. video out would be a huge selling point |
| 13:48.53 | pupnik770 | for commpeting with aqrchos etc |
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| 13:49.09 | vegai | N810 as a media center? :) |
| 13:49.17 | X-Fade_ | pupnik770: Yeah, but it will be quite some work to get it working. |
| 13:49.23 | fugitivo | if video out makes the tablet bigger i don't want that feature |
| 13:49.34 | X-Fade_ | _if_ i'm right about it being wired :) |
| 13:49.44 | pupnik770 | i gotta run. cu |
| 13:50.23 | X-Fade_ | fugitivo: The N95 has it too. It is just the audio jack. |
| 13:50.35 | matmo | ooo sexy kb, ooo sexy pulsing greenlight :) |
| 13:51.00 | matmo | ooo sexy cover |
| 13:51.28 | fugitivo | X-Fade_: I don't like the N95 size :) |
| 13:51.31 | fugitivo | for a phone |
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| 13:51.46 | X-Fade_ | fugitivo: Just saying that it doesn't make it larger ;) |
| 13:52.19 | X-Fade_ | And I think there are other N-series with tv-out too? |
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| 13:52.34 | glass | X-Fade_: n93/i |
| 13:52.51 | glass | X-Fade_: e90 has the same omap but doesn't have tvout iirc.. |
| 13:53.15 | X-Fade_ | glass: Or it isn't enabled in software ;) |
| 13:53.55 | glass | X-Fade_: i'd reckon it's more to do with e90's inside screen being too hi res |
| 13:54.04 | glass | though it has 3d accel in hw for that too |
| 13:54.14 | X-Fade_ | glass: Well, that is the problem we face too, I guess. |
| 13:54.24 | X-Fade_ | glass: Hardly 320x240 ;) |
| 13:55.00 | fugitivo | I think the idea of the internet tablet is working with internet/lan connections |
| 13:55.36 | fugitivo | if you can stream content to your house media system, tv out is not needed |
| 13:55.49 | alterego | Spakman, I've had issues with my server, I'm reinstalling it at the moment. So it should all be back up there by the end of the day. |
| 13:56.15 | X-Fade_ | fugitivo: Yeah, that is why the N95 can act as a upnp server. |
| 13:56.42 | X-Fade_ | fugitivo: We could do that too on the tablets. |
| 13:56.58 | fugitivo | yeah |
| 13:57.15 | Spakman | alterego: cheers |
| 13:57.22 | kulve | X-Fade_: does n95 upnp server support uploading? :) |
| 13:57.49 | Spakman | alterego: have you played with Ruby 1.9.0 on Maemo yet? |
| 13:57.53 | X-Fade_ | kulve: The media center would play media off the n95.. |
| 13:57.58 | fugitivo | actually my house doesn't have regular TVs, I use diskless miniitx with mythtv server |
| 13:58.01 | Spakman | good/bad experience? |
| 13:59.26 | alterego | Spakman, only briefly. I managed to get it to compile. |
| 13:59.32 | Jaffa | Problem with saying "oh, you could stream it out to your house media server" is that I want my N810 to have TV out for when I'm away from home, hotel rooms etc. |
| 13:59.33 | alterego | Which took some effort :) |
| 13:59.47 | Jaffa | When I'm at home I can use the media on my house media server directly - don't need to get the tablet involved. |
| 13:59.58 | alterego | Spakman, I'm hoping to get a good build environment with scratchbox 2 for ruby 1.9 |
| 14:00.01 | fugitivo | Jaffa: choose a hotel with modern media devices :) |
| 14:00.04 | dev | X-Fade_: the question is, can you send/upload a media file to some UPnP media server with the N95 |
| 14:00.05 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Yeah, I now load my N95 up with videos. Works great.. |
| 14:00.05 | Jaffa | ...which is exactly how I used my Archos Gmini 400 with DivX playback and TV out |
| 14:00.45 | Jaffa | fugitivo: possibly, after winning the lottery and a massive investment in UK hotels (or French holiday gites/villas) |
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| 14:00.57 | X-Fade_ | dev: I only used it as server.. |
| 14:01.09 | dev | X-Fade_: there are rumours that it does and that's it doesn't |
| 14:02.18 | dev | X-Fade_: ok, cause I have that import feature in my UPnP server, and if the N95 would support that, it would be the first commercial client that supports that |
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| 14:18.14 | ywwg | I don't understand this at all, can someone help me understand the rationale?: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2736 |
| 14:19.19 | alterego | Do the N810's come with screen protectors? |
| 14:19.44 | Sargun | Nope. |
| 14:19.51 | alterego | Shit. |
| 14:20.15 | X-Fade_ | alterego: Well, one. If you count the factory protection thingie ;) |
| 14:20.32 | X-Fade_ | alterego: But that one will scratch up pretty quickly.. |
| 14:20.40 | alterego | Oh, okay. |
| 14:20.42 | alterego | That's good then. |
| 14:22.39 | Jaffa | ywwg: your comment seems fine to me |
| 14:24.14 | sp3000 | ywwg: it's in the os2008 repo |
| 14:24.40 | ywwg | sp3000: not in scratchbox it's not, I can't find the deb files anywhere |
| 14:24.56 | sp3000 | (which is a source only repo) |
| 14:26.25 | nick_fn | Do 770 screen protectors fit the 800 BTW? If so, I'll order a 770 one from Brando workshop (I love their protectors) |
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| 14:26.40 | unique311 | are the devs for peekaboo planning to release it for os2008.. |
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| 14:26.57 | dick_turpin | Is there a way to fix the applets in place on the N810? I keep moving them by accident |
| 14:27.06 | unique311 | i just tried to build it in chinook, and am not having no success. |
| 14:28.06 | dpb_ | nick_fn: probably not, the shape is completely different |
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| 14:29.13 | nick_fn | dpb_: ah, ok, thanks. I almost ordered one just in case :-) |
| 14:30.29 | Jaffa | dick_turpin: no, not yet - I believe there's a bug open |
| 14:30.52 | dpb_ | oh, maybe I didn't quite understand what a "screen protector" is.. |
| 14:31.38 | nick_fn | dpb_: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01194 |
| 14:31.41 | dick_turpin | Jaffa: Guessed as much, its a real pain to get them back in place |
| 14:33.54 | dpb_ | nick_fn: yeah, was checking there already :) it probably fits, as the screen should be the same size.. |
| 14:34.54 | nick_fn | ok, maybe I'll go for it then... I will mail them and ask if they will make a N800 specific one first though. They will probably know if it's the same or not, then maybe the will update the product name. |
| 14:35.14 | ywwg | sp3000: can you help me find the tarball then? There's one on the website, but when I build it it's an older version than the one installed on os2008 |
| 14:35.45 | dpb_ | nick_fn: it's weird they have a 770 and a N810 one, but no N800.. |
| 14:36.40 | sp3000 | ywwg: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/ |
| 14:37.18 | nick_fn | I didn't spot the 810 one yet. search didn't find it, but I see they have an UltraClear one now. I prefer the regular though :-) |
| 14:37.39 | nick_fn | dpb_: do you think 810 might fit better? |
| 14:37.47 | nick_fn | I've only ever seen an N800 in person |
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| 14:38.51 | dpb_ | nick_fn: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02286&dept_id=&cat_id=0019 |
| 14:39.25 | dpb_ | nick_fn: I believe they all have the same screen, so either *should* fit |
| 14:39.59 | ywwg | sp3000: great thanks. |
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| 14:48.59 | chille | is it possible to change the startup picture of the N800? |
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| 15:08.04 | pupnik_ | "When seconds count, just remember, the cops are only minutes away!" -- author unknown |
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| 15:09.05 | unique311 | you want to get them there really quick, say officer down. |
| 15:09.18 | LoCusF | blast007: thanks, but is there an OS2008 build? |
| 15:09.29 | unique311 | never fails. |
| 15:10.28 | lardman | unique311: you call them often :) |
| 15:10.48 | unique311 | no |
| 15:11.05 | unique311 | btw, this would be on a payphone |
| 15:11.21 | unique311 | i wouldn't advise you to do it over your cell or house phone. |
| 15:11.27 | lardman | with no overlooking CCTV cameras and keep the call <29s ;) |
| 15:11.35 | unique311 | they don't like it much. |
| 15:12.09 | unique311 | but if someone is dying, and you want them there really quick. officer down will get them there. |
| 15:12.15 | LoCusF | http://inz.fi/blog/2006/07/28/clockified-osso-statusbar-cpu/ <- is everyone elses ad-block plus icon huge on this page? |
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| 15:16.30 | unique311 | lardman, those cctv cams are not that accurate. |
| 15:17.51 | unique311 | but i am seeing an overwhelming number of NYPD cameras on the light poles. wonder if they are using good quality camera's in those. |
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| 15:19.03 | lardman | unique311: we have lots in the uk |
| 15:19.27 | lardman | derf: you able to answer another one of my annoying Vorbis questions? :) |
| 15:20.04 | CrashandDie | hello everyone |
| 15:22.37 | lardman | derf: I'm looking at _make_decode_table() in codebook.c and notice that the lowmem-no-byte code is different to Monty's Neuros code. Namely Monty's code seems to ignore the value of (codebook *)s->dec_nodeb |
| 15:23.00 | lardman | derf: just wondering what this value represents and whether I should implement the changes in the lowmem-no-byte code |
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| 15:29.38 | alterego | Was ist der kommant fur screenshot gergessen? |
| 15:31.26 | deejoe | alterego: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ |
| 15:31.45 | alterego | I'd prefer the command thanks :P |
| 15:32.06 | deejoe | I don't know if xwd is available in maemo |
| 15:32.22 | X-Fade_ | osso-screenshot-tool? |
| 15:32.32 | alterego | Ah, that might be it. |
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| 15:32.42 | mgedmin | which became screenshot-tool in chinook |
| 15:32.46 | alterego | Right |
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| 15:33.47 | deejoe | while we're at it, there was an enhanced osso-xterm I had used for OS2007 that I have yet to find for OS2008. Anyone here now familiar with this? |
| 15:34.17 | alterego | How do you mean enhanced? |
| 15:35.11 | lardman | it's not been ported afaik, there was stuff about this on the ml a few weeks ago when os2008 was released |
| 15:35.16 | deejoe | the shortcuts were along the right instead of at the bottom, there were additional shortcuts, and the shortcuts were hot-keyed, instead of, for instance, Ctrl bring up a dialogue box. |
| 15:35.38 | deejoe | all in all, it was *much* more functional for using the soft keyboard with ssh+screen |
| 15:36.20 | lardman | read the ml discussion, the end of which was if you want it the sources are available so compile it yourself |
| 15:36.20 | alterego | Yes, that's the same program. |
| 15:36.26 | alterego | It's just a newer discussion. |
| 15:36.38 | alterego | s/discussion/version/ ,, |
| 15:36.39 | lardman | same answer I imagine :) |
| 15:36.46 | deejoe | :-( |
| 15:36.51 | deejoe | ok, thanks for the pointers. |
| 15:37.05 | lardman | deejoe: or ask someone nicely if they'll do it for you |
| 15:37.23 | deejoe | someone, would you please compile that version for me? :-) |
| 15:38.20 | deejoe | haha, I called it "enhanced" because I was mis-remembering the word "advanced" |
| 15:38.22 | deejoe | as in http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 15:38.35 | lardman | I can't get the site to respond... |
| 15:38.51 | lardman | ah, it's woken up |
| 15:39.52 | lardman | I wonder why it's not been updated by the author? |
| 15:40.33 | lardman | inz: is that xterm your project? |
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| 15:52.46 | unique311 | finally. |
| 15:52.55 | unique311 | got that damn thing to build. |
| 15:53.07 | unique311 | peekaboo for os2008. |
| 15:53.16 | unique311 | just hope it works now.. |
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| 16:06.10 | elb | what's up with all the people on itt talking about the nits being locked to Sprint? |
| 16:06.24 | elb | I've seen that in several threads |
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| 16:08.26 | alterego | My N810 is here! |
| 16:08.31 | bill2or3 | huzzah! |
| 16:09.45 | alterego | It's so sexy .. |
| 16:09.50 | alterego | Smells funny though. |
| 16:10.05 | alterego | Feels heavier than the N800 too ,, |
| 16:10.30 | unique311 | so i manage to get peekaboo to build for os2008, but broke my scratchbox in the process. |
| 16:10.33 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:10.54 | zoran | how did you that? |
| 16:10.57 | unique311 | but not peekaboo's fualt. |
| 16:11.10 | unique311 | i had to remove some stuff in order to install peekaboo. |
| 16:11.19 | unique311 | and i think i broke stuff doing so. |
| 16:11.34 | zoran | install it again |
| 16:11.57 | zoran | apt-get makes all deps on |
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| 16:12.17 | unique311 | actually i have to build peekaboo again, i was wondering why they place all the needed vlc stuff in usr/local/lib |
| 16:12.51 | zoran | bsd way to know what is in base and what is installed later |
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| 16:13.28 | unique311 | well at least peekaboo starts. |
| 16:13.37 | unique311 | so i know i did something right. |
| 16:13.59 | unique311 | shouldn't an apt-get upgrade fix anything i did wrong and fix scratchbox |
| 16:14.54 | Jaffa | alterego: it *is* heavier. About 10%. But smaller. I much prefer the N810 to the N800, keyboard and cleaner styling a big part of it for me |
| 16:15.15 | alterego | Jaffa, yes. It's beautiful. |
| 16:15.30 | zoran | unique311, it should |
| 16:15.32 | alterego | Jaffa, well worth the wait :) My only gripe, the pouch is horrible ;) |
| 16:15.51 | alterego | And it smells very odd. |
| 16:18.46 | dragorn | alterego: on the upside, it's not all fuzzy, so it doesn't hang up on the inside of a pocket |
| 16:20.51 | michele_ | I think the earplugs are awful, though |
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| 16:21.05 | unique311 | yeah it worked |
| 16:21.09 | michele_ | they keep dropping off my ears |
| 16:21.22 | jalen | Hello all - quick question - on my N800 running OS2008, I try to upgrade the Operating System (script to upgrade all packages) and it tells me it is unable to - any way I can fix that? |
| 16:21.34 | unique311 | but still i'm going to rebuild it without --prefix=/usr |
| 16:22.08 | sp3000 | alterego: meh, it's just being new, it'll pass |
| 16:22.18 | alterego | The pouch doesn't smell, the whole unit smells funny :P |
| 16:22.34 | sp3000 | I could so work some innuendo from that |
| 16:22.36 | doc|work | jalen: more information would be useful |
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| 16:22.39 | alterego | Not the way the N800 smelled when it was new, which reminded me of the psion palmtops smell. |
| 16:22.41 | jalen | Says 'Some application packages required for the update are missing' |
| 16:23.08 | michele_ | alterego: you are scary :) |
| 16:23.36 | sp3000 | what weird person doesn't smell their electronics :P |
| 16:23.45 | alterego | I'm scary because I make use of my senses? |
| 16:23.55 | alterego | Exactly! |
| 16:24.13 | michele_ | uhm |
| 16:24.22 | michele_ | I notice their smell, yes |
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| 16:24.35 | michele_ | but usually I don't compare smells |
| 16:24.45 | alterego | Hmm, the screen protector is useless too. |
| 16:24.48 | Luria | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.51 | alterego | You _have_ to take it off. |
| 16:24.57 | michele_ | or even remember how years old hardware smelled (smelt?) when it was new |
| 16:25.02 | Luria | i shouldnt have woken up i think |
| 16:25.07 | alterego | I think the smell is because of the metal. |
| 16:25.18 | alterego | Where as the N800 being mostly plastic. |
| 16:25.44 | inz | lardman, yes |
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| 16:25.59 | michele_ | ok |
| 16:26.10 | michele_ | the guy that did maemo mapper is a wizard |
| 16:26.48 | Andy80 | I got my n810 today :) |
| 16:27.20 | Luria | merlin codes for maemo? |
| 16:27.53 | Jaffa | The N810's pouch is much better than the N800's though. This one at least has the advantage of keeping the device inside itself |
| 16:28.13 | |tbb| | i wonder how much improvements will come after "all" ppl getting their n810 now ;) |
| 16:28.49 | dragorn | ugh. wlancond makes me want to stab things. |
| 16:30.26 | alterego | Jaffa, I just don't like the fake leather. |
| 16:30.40 | alterego | And it smells awefull. |
| 16:31.24 | dragorn | mine doesn't. |
| 16:31.38 | gonp | anybody knows what are the default values for WLAN seach interval and Idle times in OS2008? |
| 16:31.51 | Luria | yes, i know that smell |
| 16:31.53 | dragorn | gonp: I seem to recall 10 and 10 |
| 16:31.58 | Luria | old cameras rock |
| 16:32.34 | dragorn | florian: Most of my old camera gear smells vaguely of mildew since the leather cases rot eventually. |
| 16:32.49 | |tbb| | dragorn have you noticed kismet wont stop that much on os2008 n810 best was 4 hours (before battery goes out ) |
| 16:32.55 | alterego | Uh-oh, old version! |
| 16:33.01 | gonp | I have set 10 and 10, but I get this weird mesg "value conflicts with automatic connection settings in 'General'" |
| 16:33.21 | dragorn | gonp: weird, never heard of that one |
| 16:33.23 | lardman | alterego: I quite like the new Psion smell |
| 16:33.40 | lardman | inz: I was just wondering if you were planning on releasing an os2008 version? |
| 16:34.30 | alterego | lardman, me too, that's why I'm dissapointed ;) |
| 16:34.40 | dragorn | gonp: mine is currently set to 10 for search, 10 for gprs idle, unlimited for wlan idle |
| 16:34.58 | dragorn | gonp: ah. and now I see that message. Interesting. |
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| 16:35.34 | gonp | dragorn: but with unlimited your WLAN will never disconn? dont you get a flat batt over night? |
| 16:36.58 | ywwg | does anyone want to be a guinea pig and try installing some packages I've rolled on the hardware? I'm fairly sure it won't hose your tablet, but no guarantees |
| 16:37.04 | lardman | gonp: it goes to sleep even though it's connected, so the battery doesn't die too fast |
| 16:37.16 | Jaffa | gonp: that pops up (it did in OS2007 as well) if you have "connect automatically to WLANs" ticked. |
| 16:37.36 | Luria | ywwg, hell of a sales pitch :-) whatcha selling? |
| 16:37.36 | zoran | ywwg, what you have on your mind? |
| 16:38.06 | gonp | so... search every 10m and idel time unlimited is a good setting? |
| 16:38.07 | ywwg | it's a python2.5-based awesome rss reader, which is going to be way better than the built-in reader |
| 16:38.17 | zoran | installing ms win on the device? |
| 16:38.27 | |tbb| | lardman: does it go to sleep if im connected through gtalk with precense thing? |
| 16:38.42 | lardman | gonp: it will still drain faster that way than off completely, but it doesn't die as quickly as I expected |
| 16:39.36 | lardman | |tbb|: I'm really talking about the connection here, I often ssh into my N800 to do DSP dev, if I leave the ssh session alone for too long it doesn't respond, I then need to make the N800 do something network related so the ssh session wakes up |
| 16:39.40 | ywwg | zoran: no, but I had to build my own gtkmozembed bindings for python |
| 16:39.53 | alterego | Where's the home button? |
| 16:40.03 | alterego | Oh, I think I see it. |
| 16:40.06 | ywwg | it works on x86 scratchbox, but on arm scratchbox is starts up and then immediately quits |
| 16:40.08 | zoran | ywwg, therre is fine rawdog python rss reader |
| 16:40.15 | ywwg | I'm hoping that's just the emulation sucking |
| 16:40.17 | lardman | |tbb|: all the while I'm connected to MSN via the Jabber server and it happily falls asleep/fails to respond to ssh |
| 16:41.06 | ywwg | zoran: mine does (will do) enclosures and podcast support built-in |
| 16:41.07 | zoran | |
| 16:41.32 | ywwg | right now everything works except that gstreamer is not correctly discovering the file type of the downloaded files |
| 16:41.39 | zoran | ywwg, I use rawdog on all my bpxes; command line and very simple |
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| 16:41.54 | ywwg | zoran: I just want to see if the thing runs, you don't have to keep it |
| 16:42.05 | ywwg | zoran: I'm in the US, so my developer code doesn't work so I don't have hardware to test on |
| 16:42.08 | zoran | k, post the link to source |
| 16:42.10 | |tbb| | is it possible to shutdown the wlancond (btw, is this the wlan connection daemon?) |
| 16:42.12 | gonp | I just realized that one can zoom in inside the control panel... cool. |
| 16:42.22 | ywwg | http://ywwg.com/maemo/ |
| 16:42.31 | zoran | ywwg, python works on every box |
| 16:42.36 | zoran | k |
| 16:43.12 | zoran | hm, what file? |
| 16:43.30 | zoran | btw. heard of win js problem? |
| 16:43.32 | ywwg | the two ones that have "arm" in the filename |
| 16:44.04 | zoran | there is just one |
| 16:44.45 | zoran | gnome extras and penguinTV |
| 16:44.48 | ywwg | zoran: yes |
| 16:45.40 | zoran | I mostly just copy python files to gadget and use it adding modules if needed |
| 16:46.35 | zoran | the best example is getmail |
| 16:50.23 | Andy80 | aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:50.41 | Andy80 | who the ****** did the rss applet for n810???!?! |
| 16:50.42 | v-vN | :-D |
| 16:50.44 | Andy80 | come on.... |
| 16:50.51 | Andy80 | I want the name :P |
| 16:50.56 | gonp | easy andy |
| 16:50.59 | Andy80 | it's impossible to move :S |
| 16:51.17 | Andy80 | slow as a turtle when dragging around... |
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| 16:51.25 | Luria | what i want to know is, who had the bright idea of making the applets impossible to lock in place |
| 16:51.28 | Andy80 | and almost impossible to move :\ |
| 16:51.44 | zoran | move the device then! |
| 16:51.44 | gonp | turn scrolling off, it helps |
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| 16:53.16 | ywwg | what's the api for writing an applet? as opposed to an application? |
| 16:53.38 | Andy80 | it's turned off |
| 16:53.53 | Andy80 | I can resize it, but I cannot move |
| 16:53.58 | Jaffa | Andy80: you need to do a swift, single drag without previously touching it |
| 16:54.12 | Jaffa | aim for the toolbar, and sort of swoop down on it, drag and let go |
| 16:54.14 | gonp | anybody using rawdog? |
| 16:54.32 | Andy80 | Jaffa: in wich point do I have to touch/drag? |
| 16:54.37 | X-Fade_ | ywwg: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo |
| 16:54.41 | zoran | gonp, I do |
| 16:55.15 | derf | lardman: dec_nodeb is the number of bytes per node in the codebook. |
| 16:55.33 | gonp | i was using readermini but gave up, too slow... is rawdog good? |
| 16:55.38 | ywwg | X-Fade_: thanks |
| 16:56.11 | zoran | gonp, yes, but a little slow on 770 |
| 16:56.24 | zoran | all python is slow on it |
| 16:56.43 | X-Fade_ | ywwg: And here are python examples: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/example-plugins/src/ |
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| 16:58.50 | Jaffa | Andy80: OK, sequence is something like: 1) hold stylus up off the screen, 2) imagine a flat-bottomed curve which touches the screen where you want to start dragging and ends where you want to stop - this curve will be vertically perpendicular to the screen; 3) move the stylus along this curve smoothly, so you "swoop" down, pick up the applet and then drag it where you want it to go. |
| 16:58.58 | ywwg | zoran: any luck installing those/ |
| 16:58.59 | ywwg | ? |
| 16:59.03 | Jaffa | Trying to do a standard drag like you'd do for a file won't work well, IME |
| 16:59.24 | zoran | ywwg, I read 4 more channels nad have just 2 eyes |
| 16:59.41 | ywwg | zoran: hah. no rush then :) |
| 16:59.43 | zoran | I'll try it this evening, k? |
| 17:00.08 | zoran | ywwg, I found my love in rawdog |
| 17:00.28 | ywwg | zoran: no problem |
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| 17:00.51 | zoran | btw, what imap client do folks on this channel use? |
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| 17:01.15 | zoran | mutt has some directory handle problem |
| 17:01.24 | elb | I use mutt ;-) |
| 17:01.30 | Andy80 | Jaffa: ehm O_o and this is called "usability" by Nokia :D ?????!! |
| 17:01.34 | zoran | more than just inbox? |
| 17:01.41 | elb | yes |
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| 17:01.49 | zoran | great to hear |
| 17:02.09 | elb | my + is an IMAP directory, and I use +INBOX, +read-mail, +sent-mail, +lists/{listnames}, etc. |
| 17:02.19 | Jaffa | Andy80: it's easy when you know how; but usability and IT OS don't go together (see #2564) |
| 17:02.22 | elb | it's not super smart about it, but it works |
| 17:02.35 | zoran | elb, I must be misconfigured muttrc |
| 17:02.56 | elb | zoran: what problem are you having? |
| 17:03.15 | zoran | it is not my imap server so I just cannot make another dir |
| 17:03.24 | borism | aloha, lots of people here. got my n810 yesterday :) |
| 17:03.25 | zoran | maybe it is that intended |
| 17:03.42 | zoran | even not by the hand |
| 17:03.48 | elb | if you simply try to save a file to imap://server/new-directory/folder it doesn't work? |
| 17:03.59 | elb | borism: you mock me |
| 17:04.01 | zoran | not a new one |
| 17:04.09 | zoran | just plane inbox |
| 17:04.15 | elb | yeah, I dunno -- works fine for me, I'd find out if you can do that with any client |
| 17:04.26 | zoran | k, gonna ask an owner |
| 17:04.46 | Andy80 | eheh |
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| 17:08.59 | monteslu | so, is anyone running maemo on the eee ? |
| 17:09.09 | bedboi | anyone knows where to read luminosity info in n810? |
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| 17:10.01 | Cptnodegard | as in screen brightness? |
| 17:10.05 | Cptnodegard | bedboi |
| 17:10.19 | bedboi | nope, i think n810 has a sensor |
| 17:10.40 | Cptnodegard | um |
| 17:10.44 | Cptnodegard | why do you think that? o0 |
| 17:10.45 | bedboi | the small stuff near the camera |
| 17:11.18 | florian | monteslu: Yes... i had the same thought :-) |
| 17:11.37 | lardman | derf: so this changes how large a book can be - how many branches are possible? |
| 17:11.39 | bedboi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/nokia_810_hardware_specification/ |
| 17:11.51 | lardman | derf: bytes or octets? |
| 17:12.41 | Cptnodegard | seems like an awefully weird thingy to put on the device o0 |
| 17:13.10 | Cptnodegard | if so im guessing its to auto adjust the webcam, nothing else |
| 17:13.19 | Jaffa | It automatically changes screen brightness based on environment. Works very well: goes super-bright in sunlight (e.g. for GPS in a car) |
| 17:13.26 | X-Fade_ | Cptnodegard: No it isn't. The screen is transflective, so you can turn off the backlite when in the sun.. |
| 17:13.28 | Luria | its to adjust screen brightness and keyboard lighting |
| 17:13.34 | bedboi | Cptnodegard: why's that |
| 17:13.42 | bedboi | it's a very funny stuff to have |
| 17:13.45 | bedboi | you can play with it |
| 17:13.56 | alterego | Even the flashing light on this thing is sexy. |
| 17:14.04 | bedboi | yep |
| 17:14.07 | bedboi | it's quite sexy |
| 17:14.19 | alterego | I almost want to stick it down my pants. |
| 17:14.24 | alterego | It's just a bit cold (being metal and all) |
| 17:14.27 | glass | Cptnodegard: most nokias higher end phones seem to have the light sensor |
| 17:14.27 | bedboi | come on! |
| 17:14.28 | Luria | ummm |
| 17:14.32 | alterego | Probably wouldn't make it smell any nicer either. |
| 17:14.52 | zoran | monteslu, there is not reason to run maemo on eee i386 |
| 17:15.01 | alterego | I seriously need to get a new screen protector though. I'm well paranoid .. |
| 17:15.05 | Luria | alterego's just sad there's no vibrate to go along with the led notifications |
| 17:15.14 | alterego | Luria, that would make it better. |
| 17:15.19 | alterego | :) |
| 17:15.25 | bedboi | alterego: well if you are used to do nasty things with your devices |
| 17:15.30 | alterego | But I can vibrate myself if need be. |
| 17:15.34 | gonp | eee does not have a touch screen for a start... |
| 17:15.37 | Cptnodegard | [18:15] <alterego> I seriously need to get a new screen protector though. I'm well paranoid .. <- got three in the mail today ^^ but still using the one that was on it |
| 17:15.48 | zoran | eee looks just fine |
| 17:15.49 | Cptnodegard | [18:13] <bedboi> Cptnodegard: why's that <- a better camera would be more useful :p |
| 17:15.51 | alterego | Cptnodegard, with the annoying stickers? |
| 17:16.02 | bedboi | Cptnodegard: who cares? |
| 17:16.05 | zoran | and I saw a touch pad |
| 17:16.07 | bedboi | i have a nikon for taking pictures |
| 17:16.12 | Cptnodegard | [18:15] <alterego> Cptnodegard, with the annoying stickers? <- the one that was on when i bought it? one sticker, which i removed easily |
| 17:16.27 | alterego | Mine doesn't want to remove. |
| 17:16.28 | zoran | gonp, you are correct, no touch screen |
| 17:16.38 | Cptnodegard | nothing on the protective plastic itself |
| 17:16.39 | zoran | luckily |
| 17:16.47 | bedboi | alterego: i found out i had a screen protector on my n800 after 5 months |
| 17:16.55 | bedboi | i hate screen protectors so bad |
| 17:17.03 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:17.16 | bedboi | i was so happy to remove it |
| 17:17.22 | Cptnodegard | [18:16] <bedboi> i hate screen protectors so bad <- lol why? i have them on everything |
| 17:17.27 | bedboi | i have some good feeling when removing screen protectors |
| 17:17.32 | bedboi | I HATE THEM |
| 17:17.39 | Cptnodegard | wHY? |
| 17:17.45 | VRe__ | I would not say that the plastic on the screen is a "screen protector" for use |
| 17:17.56 | bedboi | the very fist thing i do when i get a new device is removing shitty stuff |
| 17:18.05 | florian | :-) |
| 17:18.17 | Cptnodegard | [18:17] <VRe__> I would not say that the plastic on the screen is a "screen protector" for use <- its see through, removeable, and protects against scratches :p |
| 17:18.19 | bedboi | like screen protectors Windows stickers and so on |
| 17:18.38 | VRe__ | Cptnodegard: did you note the part _for use_ :) |
| 17:18.40 | alterego | bedboi, you have an odd perception of screen protectors. |
| 17:18.47 | alterego | I remember last time we had this discussion. |
| 17:18.47 | bedboi | i hate them. |
| 17:18.51 | alterego | Why? |
| 17:18.54 | Cptnodegard | VRe__: if it works, why not use it? :p |
| 17:18.58 | alterego | You didn't even know you had one on the N800 for months,. |
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| 17:19.25 | florian | yeah... all these people with these ugly and damaged stickers on their devices ;) |
| 17:19.43 | alterego | It's very irrational in my opinion. Screen protectors are a must on high end touch screen devices. |
| 17:19.52 | alterego | Sure I hate the ones they stick on phones, watches etc. |
| 17:20.05 | alterego | But something like the internet tablets really need them to keep them prestine :) |
| 17:20.11 | gonp | the brando ones are good... |
| 17:20.12 | Cptnodegard | well hell have the luxury of enjoying a SP free, scratched up as hell n800 all for himself :D |
| 17:20.15 | bedboi | alterego: but there was something which told me that my n800 had something wrong |
| 17:20.29 | alterego | I doubt that. |
| 17:20.32 | VRe__ | Cptnodegard: that what comes with the devices is just to keep the screen clean in assembly and distribution.. same way as new many other devices have the plastic on the see-thru parts |
| 17:20.36 | alterego | I think you're being very irrational :P |
| 17:20.49 | florian | alterego: I do not agree, modern touchscreens are that hard to damage that you do not need that crap |
| 17:20.51 | bedboi | alterego: and when i found that fucking screen protector, i knew what was wrong with my n800 |
| 17:21.00 | lardman | the movement is growing, burn the screen protectors! |
| 17:21.05 | bedboi | alterego: after that it became a perfect device |
| 17:21.15 | bedboi | lardman: word up |
| 17:21.21 | Cptnodegard | VRe__: i know, and most of the times that plastic comes off to easily or soemthing, but on the n800 i dont see why it cant be used as any SP until its scratched up |
| 17:21.23 | alterego | Basically, I hate scratches. I'd much rather replace the screen protector every year or so than be without it and have the screen actually scratched. |
| 17:21.56 | bedboi | alterego: i don't use spikes when tapping on my screens |
| 17:22.00 | alterego | I'm not sure how much cooler they can go with the N810. |
| 17:22.03 | alterego | It's awesome. |
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| 17:22.06 | Cptnodegard | same here, alterego |
| 17:22.10 | bedboi | and in return they can be free of that fucking screen protector |
| 17:22.19 | alterego | Maybe make the screen go up a little further to make it slightly easier to type. |
| 17:22.39 | alterego | There's lots of little details that I'd like to see improved, but overall I'm in awe. :) |
| 17:22.41 | Tak | maybe keep some of the useful buttons on the non-keyboard part? |
| 17:22.53 | alterego | It's like Christmas has arrived again! |
| 17:22.56 | Cptnodegard | i dont see any reason NOT to use a tiny, cheap piece of plastic that proects the screen should something unexpected happen |
| 17:22.59 | florian | bbl |
| 17:23.06 | lardman | alterego: yeah, difficult to type with the power cord in especially |
| 17:23.10 | VRe__ | I have noticed that if the screen is not clean then it will scratch up but if its cleaned regularly (wipe with shirt is enough) it should stay ok for year or two which is anyways the time it lasts |
| 17:23.35 | alterego | lardman, I think if you've got power access then having a full keyboard would be nice :) |
| 17:23.46 | Cptnodegard | VRe__: if one sand corn gets between the wiper and the screen by accident, that wipe will mean doom :p |
| 17:23.53 | alterego | I'm going to purchase a micro USB keyboard I saw the other day. |
| 17:24.10 | VRe__ | Cptnodegard: never had that problem |
| 17:24.15 | Cptnodegard | YET ;) |
| 17:24.22 | lardman | alterego: if it's plugged in then I'm at my desk so I can ssh in |
| 17:24.46 | Cptnodegard | i once chased sheeps with the tractor key in the same pocket as my cell. since then ive used screen protectors :p |
| 17:24.55 | Luria | is there an all in one usb host cable for the n800? |
| 17:24.57 | alterego | lardman, sure, but there are things that you may need to do in the UI that require input. |
| 17:25.08 | alterego | lardman, and what if you're not at _your_ desk ;) |
| 17:25.11 | VRe__ | Cptnodegard: Well, that yet, is since 2005 with 770's and before that with palms.. so I would say it's quite marginal |
| 17:25.18 | bedboi | VRe__: pay attention Cptnodegard cursed your device |
| 17:25.30 | alterego | Luria, just buy a standard USB host OTG peripheral cable. |
| 17:25.32 | bedboi | i would sell it |
| 17:25.38 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 17:25.44 | Cord | Cptnodegard: leave those sheeps alone!!!11!! ;-P |
| 17:25.48 | Tak | hmm, has anyone tried powerlaunch? |
| 17:26.04 | alterego | Luria, they're out there. I've seen them, though I use manual host mode switching and a gender bender. |
| 17:26.23 | Cptnodegard | Cord: they were in mah base poopin' on mah property |
| 17:26.38 | Cord | sure ;-) |
| 17:26.40 | VRe__ | bedboi: Naah, I have few in pile.. I will pick next and start scraching it up.. now scratches don't matter but that 770 white screen of death.. |
| 17:26.47 | |tbb| | tak i had no success on n810 |
| 17:26.48 | bedboi | AHAHA |
| 17:26.50 | Luria | yeah, was just looking to see if anyone had ordered a specific cable and had success |
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| 17:27.10 | alterego | That's nice, the N810, in it's softcase, fits into the N800's softcase. |
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| 17:27.57 | Cptnodegard | Luria, the host cable at http://www.pc-mobile.net/zvm.htm MIGHT(!) work for auto mode |
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| 17:28.50 | |tbb| | lardman if you ssh in at your desk could forward the maemo apps to x on your desk? |
| 17:28.54 | Luria | yeah, was hoping for "i have this and it works" :-) |
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| 17:29.21 | Cptnodegard | [18:28] <Luria> yeah, was hoping for "i have this and it works" :-) <- i have one that works, bt its DIY |
| 17:31.53 | alterego | Luria, internettablettalk.com had someone saying they got a specific cable to work. |
| 17:32.01 | alterego | They even had a link to the online shop. |
| 17:32.31 | Luria | cool beans, thanks |
| 17:34.03 | Luria | wow, someone actually using the rtcomm irc client |
| 17:34.05 | Andy80 | uff.... I'm missing Xchat for N810 so much :( |
| 17:34.11 | Luria | ummm |
| 17:34.22 | Luria | why? there is an os2008 port |
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| 17:34.48 | Luria | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 17:34.58 | Luria | go with god |
| 17:35.18 | bedboi | Andy80: come on, you can survive that |
| 17:35.44 | Andy80 | is already ported??? |
| 17:35.46 | Andy80 | coooool |
| 17:35.56 | Luria | a while ago |
| 17:36.06 | Andy80 | wooow :) |
| 17:36.11 | Luria | its supposedly a beta, but ive been using it for a couple of months |
| 17:36.40 | gonp | is the statusbar clock ported? |
| 17:36.47 | Andy80 | bedboi: LOL :D |
| 17:37.10 | Luria | depends,is she displayed in ascii on a handheld platoform? |
| 17:37.21 | bedboi | Luria: of course |
| 17:37.28 | monteslu | zoran, sure there is. the eee has a shit resolution |
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| 17:37.55 | Luria | god, i have more dropouts than a bronx high school |
| 17:38.08 | gonp | eee has the same res as the n8x0... |
| 17:38.43 | Tak | wtf, is |tbb| just popping in and out to give random answers? |
| 17:39.23 | Mousey | Andy80: i have xchat running on an n810 |
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| 17:39.46 | Andy80 | yes, I'm downloading :) |
| 17:39.51 | Mousey | oh |
| 17:40.19 | Luria | blame it on lag |
| 17:40.23 | alterego | Annoying they give us the CA-101 but don't make the device charge over USB |
| 17:40.29 | Cptnodegard | [18:38] <gonp> eee has the same res as the n8x0... <- on a twice bigegr screen :p |
| 17:40.50 | Cptnodegard | [18:40] <alterego> Annoying they give us the CA-101 but don't make the device charge over USB <- 101? not ca 100? |
| 17:41.02 | alterego | Cptnodegard, indeed, 101 |
| 17:41.08 | Cptnodegard | whats the difference? |
| 17:41.19 | alterego | CA-101 is micro USB and has charging :) |
| 17:41.29 | Cptnodegard | oh.... |
| 17:41.33 | alterego | But the N810 obviously doesn't .. |
| 17:41.38 | alterego | Support charging that is. |
| 17:41.44 | Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4860 <- cause i ordered that |
| 17:42.21 | alterego | Yeah, that's completely different. |
| 17:42.23 | Cptnodegard | combined with http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3205 and http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488 it should provide some extra power on the run :) |
| 17:42.29 | alterego | That's a USB to Nokia power connector. ;) |
| 17:42.38 | Cptnodegard | yeah i know, just started wondering if the 100 didnt work |
| 17:42.43 | alterego | I want to get one of those for my powered hub. |
| 17:42.54 | doc|work | hey, that could be useful |
| 17:43.02 | alterego | So I can plug everything into the hub and just stick the hub power in. |
| 17:43.12 | Cptnodegard | i got that package, and a ac-usb adapter |
| 17:43.19 | alterego | Great for USB OTG host mode :) |
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| 17:43.33 | Cptnodegard | got some spare cables and made short ones: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/charger.jpg |
| 17:43.43 | Cptnodegard | waiting for the ca100 |
| 17:44.02 | Andy80 | brb |
| 17:44.29 | alterego | Cptnodegard, the CA-101 is supplied _with_ the N810, and the cable is supposed to support charging. I guess it's something Nokia plan on implementing in phones/tablets in the future. |
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| 17:45.00 | Cptnodegard | ah... is it true what i hear that a gender bender is all you need for host mode (auto) on the 810? |
| 17:45.20 | alterego | Cptnodegard, no, it wont auto switch. |
| 17:45.30 | Cptnodegard | ewww |
| 17:45.48 | alterego | The switching is triggered by a short in the Mini USB connectors. |
| 17:45.54 | Cptnodegard | i know, made one |
| 17:46.07 | Cptnodegard | just thought the 810 was different as miniusb is 7 connectors or so |
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| 17:46.12 | alterego | Well, those pins don't have A counter parts. They're specific to Mini USB. |
| 17:46.33 | alterego | Same number of pins I thought .. Mini and Micro. |
| 17:46.45 | Andy80 | back, from the 810 :) |
| 17:47.02 | Cptnodegard | not on my wowon d2, alnr |
| 17:47.06 | Cptnodegard | *alterego |
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| 17:47.10 | alterego | Well, I finally believe that the N810 exists. |
| 17:47.25 | alterego | wowon d2, alnr? |
| 17:47.30 | alterego | Is that Gaelic? |
| 17:47.47 | Cptnodegard | nah mirc autocomplete for "al" didnt spit out alterego :p |
| 17:47.56 | alterego | Hahah |
| 17:47.59 | Cptnodegard | it was supposed to say "cowon d2, alterego" |
| 17:48.24 | Cptnodegard | thats my mp3 player, it uses a mini USB for...usb, and a micro USB 7 pin (or so) for tv out, line in and charging |
| 17:49.18 | Tak | d2 seems like a fantastic player |
| 17:49.40 | Cptnodegard | it is, except for some firmware issues, but nothing too critical |
| 17:49.45 | alterego | I have like 10 Nokia power chargers now. |
| 17:49.51 | alterego | 8 new and 2 old school. |
| 17:51.06 | Cptnodegard | lol why? |
| 17:52.22 | alterego | Just collected them through the years from all the tablets etc. |
| 17:52.38 | alterego | I have 3 just from tablets. |
| 17:52.45 | Cptnodegard | 770,800,810? |
| 17:52.49 | alterego | Yeah |
| 17:52.53 | Cptnodegard | nice ^^ |
| 17:53.03 | Cptnodegard | dev price for 810? |
| 17:53.14 | alterego | Yes, the N810 is the only one I got on the device program. |
| 17:53.36 | Cptnodegard | its too expensive for buying fully priced so i hope you didnt pay full |
| 17:53.37 | alterego | I applied to the 770 program but didn't get accepted and I only got my first tablets August last year. |
| 17:53.38 | Cptnodegard | :p |
| 17:53.48 | alterego | Bought an N800 for 200 GBP and a 770 for 70 GBP. |
| 17:54.11 | Cptnodegard | 800 is 130 now for those lucky enough to be in the uk |
| 17:54.14 | alterego | I then started ruby-maemo and that got me accepted into the device program. |
| 17:54.21 | alterego | Cptnodegard, indeed :/ |
| 17:54.40 | alterego | If I'd have waited though, I wouldn't have all three tablets now, as I would never have got accepted into the device program ^_^ |
| 17:54.50 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 17:55.13 | alterego | And it's been really fun, really fun and exciting and I've learned a lot. |
| 17:55.20 | alterego | Gained valuable experience too. |
| 17:55.34 | Cptnodegard | well i only have one, the 800, and im glad i prefer that to the 810 as 10GB limit on the 810 is a dealbreaker |
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| 17:56.04 | alterego | That's just because you can't get larger Mini/Micro-SD cards .. |
| 17:56.23 | alterego | Tablet sex. |
| 17:56.35 | Tak | I agree about the storage |
| 17:56.49 | Cptnodegard | im surprised of what it can today... today i was on two irc channels ond msn with pidgin, downloading with transmission, talking on gtalk and uploading to photobucket and it still pulled through, although slowly |
| 17:57.02 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:57.07 | alterego | All through a GSM connection? :D |
| 17:57.12 | alterego | ^_^ |
| 17:57.13 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 17:57.29 | Cptnodegard | never had a pda before either so big change from a cheap SE cellphone :p |
| 17:57.49 | Cptnodegard | multitasking on my phone = entering the menu while talking to someone -.- |
| 17:57.56 | alterego | I'm getting a HSPDA capable cell soon. |
| 17:58.03 | alterego | Probably an N95 20G |
| 17:58.11 | alterego | Sorry, N95 250G |
| 17:58.29 | alterego | Yeah, I like phones that do that. |
| 17:58.35 | alterego | Especially with speaker phone .. :) |
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| 17:58.59 | alterego | You can literally add a contact whilst talking to the person giving you the number. Or dictate the number to some one else. |
| 17:59.08 | alterego | (early bluetooth) |
| 17:59.13 | Cptnodegard | yup |
| 17:59.17 | alterego | Better range mind, just charged more. |
| 17:59.31 | Cptnodegard | my phone only has edge... and it costs 2,5 euro per MB anyways |
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| 17:59.44 | alterego | Yeah, EDGE is super cheap. |
| 17:59.56 | Cptnodegard | "cheap"??? |
| 18:00.02 | alterego | But as my employer is paying for the monthly HSPDA charge for me .. |
| 18:00.08 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 18:00.10 | Cptnodegard | poor bastard |
| 18:00.26 | melmoth | anybody know wich url i can check wich gpg key i set for the extra repo ? |
| 18:00.28 | alterego | It's comparable to a broadband connection to a house. |
| 18:00.52 | melmoth | it should be somewhere on garage.maemo, but i do not find where exactly...and i do not recall wich one i have to use. |
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| 18:01.10 | alterego | Time to make that happen. |
| 18:01.14 | Cptnodegard | virtual keyboard? |
| 18:01.48 | alterego | Yes |
| 18:01.51 | Luria | huh. apt get keep hanging on build essential |
| 18:02.16 | Cptnodegard | i ordered a USB KB instead... small one, 28x16 cm |
| 18:02.20 | alterego | Sometimes I can't see what the point is in sliding out the HWKB |
| 18:02.29 | Luria | "70% working" just sitting there, mocking me |
| 18:02.32 | alterego | Cptnodegard, yeah, getting one of those tomorrow if I finish early. |
| 18:03.02 | Andy80 | where is the page that explain how to become root on N810? I remember that someone proposed to reorder all the pages... but I don't remember the right url |
| 18:03.09 | alterego | It fits perfectly into my man-bag. |
| 18:03.26 | Cptnodegard | i want a http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3731 if they get it back in stock |
| 18:04.17 | Luria | nice |
| 18:04.35 | Luria | man bag. hah. |
| 18:04.41 | Luria | murse. |
| 18:05.08 | alterego | A "murse" is a man-nurse :P |
| 18:05.21 | alterego | Doesn't matter than my manbag is pink, it's still manly! |
| 18:05.25 | alterego | It's my man-bag. |
| 18:05.28 | Cptnodegard | this is what i got instead of the foldable on: http://www.uxcell.com/mini-usb-keys-keyboard-for-computer-laptop-p-7413.html |
| 18:05.56 | alterego | I suppose now, having a slide out KB having a foldable makes more sense. |
| 18:06.06 | alterego | Yeah, that's cute. |
| 18:06.10 | Luria | just what i need, more keyboards for my n800 |
| 18:06.18 | alterego | Nice price too! |
| 18:06.38 | Cptnodegard | lol luria |
| 18:06.51 | Cptnodegard | yeah im not paygi too much for a keyboar d:p |
| 18:07.00 | Cptnodegard | ops hat-smiley |
| 18:07.14 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:07.34 | alterego | Well, I kind of want to go out into the cold and test the GPS now. |
| 18:07.43 | L0cutus | alterego, is your website/repository dead ? |
| 18:08.08 | Cptnodegard | yeah need a wayfinder key costing a shitload if you want it to point you places |
| 18:08.16 | alterego | L0cutus, it is. It will be back up tonight. So it should be ready tomorrow. I've had various issues with the environment and the hosters :/ |
| 18:08.27 | alterego | Thank god I'm moving to my own dedicated server in febuary. |
| 18:08.32 | L0cutus | ha, ok :) |
| 18:08.39 | dragorn | alterego: then you get to deal with your hardware failing, too :P |
| 18:08.43 | alterego | L0cutus, you wouldn't believe how much it's pissed me off .. |
| 18:08.51 | alterego | dragorn, that I can deal with ;) |
| 18:09.22 | alterego | Ah, proteus, that's a nice name for a tablet. |
| 18:09.30 | dragorn | alterego: My server had a nice hw fail recently, thankfully it was raided |
| 18:09.48 | alterego | dragorn, yeah. All my blades are RAID |
| 18:10.08 | alterego | I also do daily backups to the file server and weekly backups to solid state. |
| 18:10.24 | Cptnodegard | sounds expensive :D |
| 18:10.34 | dragorn | I haven't figured out a good way to do backups of my media server |
| 18:10.41 | alterego | Suprisingly reasonable. |
| 18:11.29 | Cptnodegard | hmm, two 32GB sdhc cards + 32GB flash pen on the n800 |
| 18:11.34 | Cptnodegard | now thats storage |
| 18:11.36 | L0cutus | i need rdiff-backup on os2008 for backup :) |
| 18:13.32 | alterego | Tablet sex is fun. |
| 18:13.36 | alterego | I mean sharing .. |
| 18:13.38 | alterego | Tablet sharing .. |
| 18:13.44 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 18:14.47 | alterego | It's unfortunate I made my N810 change gender though. |
| 18:15.11 | Cptnodegard | rofl |
| 18:19.15 | alterego | I wonder how many people have actually done this. |
| 18:19.19 | alterego | Connecting two tablets together. |
| 18:20.06 | Cptnodegard | get a hub and connect 3 together :p |
| 18:20.13 | alterego | Kinky. |
| 18:20.26 | alterego | They can do it wirelessly too! |
| 18:20.37 | alterego | They have OBEX FTP right? |
| 18:20.49 | Cptnodegard | lol |
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| 18:21.20 | alterego | Sure, having one tablet is great. Having more than one is better :D |
| 18:21.32 | alterego | I wonder if I can create a tablet cluster. |
| 18:22.19 | alterego | They wont find me .. |
| 18:22.34 | inz | alterego, "Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these" |
| 18:22.35 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 18:22.40 | alterego | :) |
| 18:22.41 | Cptnodegard | you have a registered version? |
| 18:22.52 | Cptnodegard | paid for gps |
| 18:23.10 | alterego | It's a shame that the BT device browser doesn't have a seperate tablet icon. |
| 18:23.18 | alterego | The N800 is coming up as a PDA. |
| 18:24.33 | alterego | Hmm, BT doesn't work :( |
| 18:24.41 | alterego | Think I might have to work on that .. |
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| 18:26.06 | melmoth | Anybody knows about how to set/change the gpg key for uploading in extras ? |
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| 18:34.08 | nick_fn | Does anyone use upnp with cover artwork working? |
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| 18:40.35 | alterego | Wow, the keypad has multi-touch :P |
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| 18:40.47 | henrique | what is the package name for telepathy's chat program in maemo chinook? |
| 18:43.43 | dev | nick_fn: with what server/client? |
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| 19:04.03 | Andy80 | I've put my old 770 on ebay since yesterday and 12 people are watching it ): |
| 19:04.04 | Andy80 | :) |
| 19:04.07 | Andy80 | interesting ;) |
| 19:06.52 | bstock | :q |
| 19:07.58 | gonp | I wonder how much a n800 would be in ebay.... |
| 19:08.53 | tank-man | $180 or less maybe |
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| 19:15.19 | jga23 | anybody get the Host.sh and Otg.sh scripts to work? |
| 19:15.24 | Tak | alterego: great, now people can stop bitching about not being able to simul-press in fceu and gngeo ;-) |
| 19:16.26 | jga23 | Tak: simul-press works in fceu on the n810 if you remap keys....thanks btw |
| 19:17.21 | Tak | cool - sorry I haven't had time to distribute new packages with remapped config |
| 19:18.18 | Tak | will you post your config on ITT until I can get that done? |
| 19:18.26 | jga23 | sure |
| 19:18.37 | jga23 | any specific thread? or a new one? |
| 19:18.40 | Tak | I'm sure people will appreciate it |
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| 19:18.58 | Tak | the "OMG FCEU IS BROKE ON BORA" thread should be fine ;-) |
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| 19:28.14 | alterego | Tak, I was pleasantly suprised when I did a CTRL+SHIFT+LEFT to select an input field and it worked :) |
| 19:28.32 | alterego | I also understand where caps went. |
| 19:28.39 | alterego | You have to double press the shift key. |
| 19:28.50 | alterego | And the double press Fn key is a nice feature too .. |
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| 19:31.59 | fri | I just read somewhere that Sandisk is testing their 12GB MicroSD cards, will they work on the N810 ? |
| 19:32.18 | dragorn | i'd expect with an adapter to mini, yes |
| 19:32.25 | dragorn | it's sdhc |
| 19:32.32 | dragorn | unless theres some lurking size limit in the drivers |
| 19:33.03 | Tak | I expect there is; there has been for every size jump so far. |
| 19:33.42 | Tak | "OK, it now supports 4G SDHC." "Cool, what about 8G SDHC?" "8G?! (*heads explode*)" |
| 19:38.10 | fri | http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=4079 |
| 19:38.55 | jsmith | ! |
| 19:39.00 | jsmith | Oops.. |
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| 20:00.19 | florian | re |
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| 20:33.24 | drwx | hi! I'm very happy today because I got my N810! it rocks |
| 20:34.13 | drwx | but I have a small problem, I cant play video with my N810, is it a know problem? |
| 20:35.33 | EY | drwx: Only some videos. |
| 20:35.47 | EY | If want to be able to play more video formats, install mplayer. |
| 20:36.28 | drwx | in the device there is 2 video "Anna Abreu"and "Strum and Dra...", N810 cant lay it |
| 20:36.36 | drwx | cant play it |
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| 20:37.12 | EY | strange that they'd bundle video clips that can't be played by the default player. |
| 20:37.19 | drwx | I added some video with I can play with my N800 but it dont works on N810 |
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| 20:37.51 | darx | hi, where can i get kismet for the n800? |
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| 20:38.10 | darx | anybody home? :-) |
| 20:40.12 | drwx | the video called Nokia_N810 dont works too, I must have a serious problem on my N810 |
| 20:40.36 | drwx | someone has the same problem? |
| 20:41.07 | pierlux | drwx, when I first started my n810 it wouldn't play anything |
| 20:41.21 | pierlux | it magically solved after reboot or an upgrade |
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| 20:41.36 | drwx | hum.. it dont play mp3 too |
| 20:42.49 | darx | just reflash it |
| 20:42.59 | darx | with os2008 |
| 20:43.09 | drwx | ok I will try |
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| 20:50.48 | drwx | it's ok, one reboot and it's good :-) |
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| 20:55.44 | rm_you | anyone here familiar enough with GTK to tell me a few things about this screenshot (of the volume control applet) http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/screenshot00.png |
| 20:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | Go, rm_you, go! :D |
| 20:56.23 | rm_you | like, A) If that is an HSCALE element like I think it is, how do they make it look like that?; B) did they manage to fit it into a MENU container? if so, HOW?!?! if not, what *is* that container? |
| 20:56.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:56.40 | rm_you | so, I have an applet at the moment... |
| 20:56.54 | rm_you | when you click on it, it opens an entire window that has a slider and buttons |
| 20:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:57.05 | rm_you | and the slider looks lame >_> |
| 20:57.35 | rm_you | i was hoping this would be a good intro project, but it is much more complicated than I originally anticipated :P |
| 20:57.42 | elb | why don't you look at the source for the control panel? |
| 20:57.42 | Tak | rm_you: it's probably a http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonHVolumebar.html |
| 20:57.50 | rm_you | AH! |
| 20:57.52 | melmoth | anybody involved in extra repository ? |
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| 20:58.09 | rm_you | I was looking at the GTK API on the GTK website! i should have been looking on maemo! |
| 20:58.10 | rm_you | durrrrrr |
| 20:58.14 | rm_you | Thanks Tak |
| 20:59.33 | Tak | yeah, there are a couple of gtk widgets that look/work terrible/y on the device |
| 20:59.33 | melmoth | rm_you: most of the widget are actually hildons one |
| 20:59.41 | rm_you | omfg >_> |
| 20:59.56 | rm_you | this is why i spent three hours last night and made like NO progress, lol |
| 21:00.26 | rm_you | and i've been asking in #gtk more than here >_> |
| 21:00.33 | rm_you | well, back to work |
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| 21:01.45 | derf | I find, in general with gtk, it's always better to look at the source than the documentation. |
| 21:02.03 | derf | The documentation is voluminous and useless. |
| 21:02.13 | Tak | actually, I get a lot of help from the glib/gtk api docs |
| 21:02.26 | Tak | in fact, I'm using them for vala hacking right now |
| 21:02.52 | derf | They're okay for looking things up when you already know the answer, but don't remember the details. |
| 21:02.58 | rm_you | actually, their documentation is pretty horrible... when they DO have code examples, they come "pre-broken" >_> |
| 21:03.35 | derf | Otherwise, you get stuff like gtk_foobar_set_flag(): Sets the flag. |
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| 21:06.29 | rm_you | so, what kind of window/container is that? Is it a MENU? cause if it is, i can't @#*& figure out how to put any real widgets in it besides "MENU_ITEM"s, or how to make things into MENU_ITEMs |
| 21:07.37 | Tak | isn't there a statusbar applet tutorial? |
| 21:07.58 | rm_you | yes, but it is kinda broken |
| 21:08.04 | rm_you | though it's what i used to get this far |
| 21:09.19 | rm_you | it doesn't tell me anything but how to get the icon there... I did manage to get a normal menu to popup with text options (mostly by stealing code from osso-statusbar-cpu) but i can't figure out how to get a widget like HildonControlbar or like... an HBox to fit into the menu |
| 21:12.18 | rm_you | >_> and the example initialization: "GtkWidget *cbar = hildon_controlbar_new();" gives me "warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast" and causes the applet to crash |
| 21:12.58 | rm_you | Given, I'm not especially good with C pointers... I've been doing Java for like the past 4 years, it's been like 6 since I touched C/C++ |
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| 21:14.29 | derf | That sounds like you didn't include the proper headers. |
| 21:14.56 | Tak | yes |
| 21:14.58 | rm_you | i thought about that, but wouldn't it tell me it couldn't find the function at all if i didn't have the right header included? |
| 21:15.01 | derf | Though I wouldn't see why it would crash unless it was on an LP 64-bit system. |
| 21:15.05 | derf | rm_you: No. |
| 21:15.08 | rm_you | >_> |
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| 21:15.16 | rm_you | I miss Java already :/ |
| 21:15.23 | derf | Welcome to backwards compatibility from the 70's. |
| 21:15.34 | rm_you | C++ does, doesn't it!? |
| 21:15.55 | derf | Yes. |
| 21:16.06 | derf | But who on earth would use C++? |
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| 21:16.21 | rm_you | it's been a while, but i'm pretty sure when I try to run function "this_doesnt_exist()" it tells me it doesn't exist, not that i made an integer pointer something >_> |
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| 21:16.30 | rm_you | well, now i know |
| 21:16.42 | rm_you | and there's nothing i can do about it, so... moving along |
| 21:16.56 | inz | rm_you, pass -Wstrict-prototypes to the compiler |
| 21:17.00 | derf | There's probably a flag you can pass to gcc to get it to warn you. |
| 21:17.03 | derf | Right. |
| 21:17.04 | derf | Like that. |
| 21:17.07 | rm_you | thanks |
| 21:17.35 | inz | err, sorry, -Wmissing-prototypes |
| 21:17.48 | inz | -Wstrict-prototypes will yield warnings with maemo Gtk, don't use that ;) |
| 21:18.01 | rm_you | lol yeah |
| 21:18.10 | rm_you | GtkWidget undeclared :P |
| 21:18.35 | rm_you | hrm, same... did I fsck up THAT bad? |
| 21:19.06 | inz | -Wstrict-prototypes will complain about gdk_close_all_temporaries or whatever it was called |
| 21:19.43 | rm_you | errr wait... no, it just says "-Wmissing-prototypes: unknown option" |
| 21:20.00 | doc|work | anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ |
| 21:20.14 | rm_you | wait, did i put that in the wrong place? >_> sec |
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| 21:20.36 | rm_you | lol yeah |
| 21:20.43 | rm_you | ok better |
| 21:21.05 | rm_you | err... doesn't fix the error though, still says the exact same thing |
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| 21:21.32 | inz | About integers or about GtkWidget? |
| 21:21.42 | rm_you | my-statusbar-plugin.c:60: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 21:22.04 | rm_you | same error with -Wmissing-prototypes as without |
| 21:22.10 | rm_you | rather, same warning |
| 21:22.28 | rm_you | but again, whatever, i know what it does now. so that's fine. i'll just remember that |
| 21:22.46 | rm_you | this is a neat, but unnecessary tangent :P |
| 21:23.04 | inz | I wonder... |
| 21:24.33 | rm_you | where does it tell me what i need to include for http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/ |
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| 21:25.02 | inz | rm, if you use -Wall, it'll say "implicit declaration of function `blablabla' |
| 21:25.48 | rm_you | ah yes, thanks |
| 21:25.54 | rm_you | i normally use that and --pedantic >_> |
| 21:26.03 | inz | rm, it doesn't, but it's <hildon/hildon-controlbar.h> |
| 21:26.15 | inz | rm, yeah, I usually use -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic |
| 21:26.37 | inz | rm, but that doesn't work with telepathy, their headers use C99 :( |
| 21:27.11 | rm_you | thanks |
| 21:27.43 | rm_you | PERFECT |
| 21:27.53 | rm_you | now it just needs to be in one of those pupdown menus instead of a huge window |
| 21:27.59 | rm_you | *popdown |
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| 21:28.44 | rm_you | is there a special hildon thing for those too (caption? dunno) or am i going to have to figure out how to make it a menu_item |
| 21:29.34 | inz | rm, it won't work inside a GtkMenu, I've tried |
| 21:29.50 | rm_you | yeah, i did too, thought maybe i just didn't try enough :/ |
| 21:30.02 | melmoth | anybody knows how the extra repository is refreshed ? i see some new package i pushed, but not all. |
| 21:30.26 | Spakman_ | has anyone managed to get Frothing compiled and running on N8x0? |
| 21:30.28 | melmoth | and it s been more than an hour. |
| 21:32.04 | rm_you | inz: so... we know that Nokia managed SOMEHOW for their volume and brightness applets... but we don't know how they did it? |
| 21:32.07 | rm_you | or what they used? |
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| 21:33.14 | rm_you | I wish i could just see the code for their applets >_> |
| 21:33.34 | rm_you | the volume applet is a really dumb thing to have closed-source... |
| 21:33.57 | inz | rm, indeed, it's just sets a gconf value |
| 21:35.44 | rm_you | does anyone come in here who works at nokia / has access to nokia code? >_> |
| 21:36.15 | Tak | that question leads down a bad road... |
| 21:36.24 | rm_you | heh |
| 21:36.45 | rm_you | truth >_> |
| 21:37.09 | rm_you | meanwhile, i'll just beat my head against a wall trying to figure out how they did something that should be really trivial |
| 21:37.53 | Tak | fiddle the gconf values |
| 21:38.19 | rm_you | ? |
| 21:38.29 | rm_you | make that popdown box include a non-menu_item |
| 21:40.20 | colinl | hi! I was wondering. is maemo.org always really slow for someone than me? |
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| 21:41.28 | lcuk | rm |
| 21:41.38 | lcuk | which panel examples have you had a look at? |
| 21:41.44 | Tak | colinl: yes. |
| 21:42.07 | rm_you | lcuk: control panel examples? I'm doing status-bar |
| 21:42.07 | colinl | Tak: thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 21:42.09 | lcuk | applet^ |
| 21:42.15 | lcuk | sorry i know |
| 21:42.23 | rm_you | osso-statusbar-cpu |
| 21:42.26 | lcuk | i was reading another screen whilst thinking about what you are after |
| 21:42.36 | rm_you | everything else i know of is closed source >_> |
| 21:43.09 | rm_you | i know there has got to be more out there... |
| 21:43.11 | lcuk | theres a few status bar applets here |
| 21:43.11 | lcuk | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/ |
| 21:43.59 | lcuk | ive nott looked into anything major - havent been a c coder for 10 years now, but when i saw them a couple of weeks ago i thought they might come in handy |
| 21:44.34 | lcuk | they are listed in one or more of the applicationcatalogs on maemo |
| 21:46.14 | rm_you | the only other statusbar app on his site is panelclock, and it just crashes the UI when i add it >_> |
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| 21:48.32 | rm_you | judging by the dates these are all for 2006/2007 |
| 21:48.39 | rm_you | >_> |
| 21:49.45 | lcuk | dang, sorry then - i realise they are for older versions, but there may have been some pointers - nm then |
| 21:49.54 | hachi | is asking a question like 'how do I remove reposotories from my nokia 810' outside the scope of this channel? |
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| 21:50.07 | sgehrman | http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/archives/2008/01/08/nokia-n810-review |
| 21:50.23 | sgehrman | you guys should stop goofing off on irc and start fixing bugs |
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| 21:50.41 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:50.43 | lcuk | not at all hachi, goto settings/app manager then into the tools menu and application catalog |
| 21:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, that guy is a such a troll. |
| 21:51.09 | lcuk | inside there you can disable or remove any you want. |
| 21:51.26 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: well, i'm implimenting the important functional bits now... want to try it out in a few minutes as a full window? >_> |
| 21:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 21:51.38 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:51.45 | Tak | GeneralAntilles: agreed |
| 21:51.48 | rm_you | i'll let you now |
| 21:51.54 | rm_you | s/now/know/ |
| 21:51.55 | Tak | rm_you meant: i'll let you know |
| 21:52.00 | rm_you | lol, Tak |
| 21:54.04 | lcuk | thing is, a lot of his complaints are valid - thats not just a nokia thing though, they would be valid on whichever system you get yourself (apart from the software thing lol) |
| 21:54.38 | Tak | a few of his beefs are valid |
| 21:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | But mostly it's just plain poor reporting |
| 21:54.52 | Tak | but many of them are 'OMG IPHONE IS BETTAR' |
| 21:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | Wish we had an op to set a ban. |
| 21:55.23 | lcuk | iphone is crap (my missus says so!) |
| 21:55.33 | Tak | and others are things that are either just plain wrong, configurable, or he didn't take the time to learn how to do |
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| 21:55.46 | Tak | that's a good thing ;-) |
| 21:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm seriously disturbed that this guy could be the PathFinder dev. |
| 21:55.56 | lcuk | if you give people an open system expect them to open it and do things a closed system cannot |
| 21:56.03 | hachi | how can I turn off the little spot ad on the desktop of my n810? :) |
| 21:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu on the home screen. |
| 21:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | Select applets |
| 21:56.18 | lcuk | hachi, on the desktop menu is a config option |
| 21:56.20 | hachi | I'll dig through the control panel and whatnot, into the FS... anyways |
| 21:56.26 | rm_you | hrm... the HildonControlbar doesn't appear to have a signal for "value changed" >_> |
| 21:56.29 | hachi | okiedokie |
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| 21:57.09 | rm_you | is there like... a generic signal for that, and it is assuming I know about it? |
| 21:57.38 | lcuk | of course there is rm, its called "rm_specific_value_changed" |
| 21:58.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:58.34 | hachi | are there screen protectors for these devices? |
| 21:58.37 | Juhaz | rm_you, notify::value |
| 21:58.45 | glass | hachi: just today somebody linked one.. |
| 21:58.59 | rm_you | Juhaz: thanks |
| 21:59.11 | hachi | ahh, I see one on amazon it seems |
| 21:59.21 | lcuk | rm - i think the range class caters for all the value changing stuff |
| 21:59.24 | inz | rm, you're supposed to read the documentation that says that HildonControlbar is a "GtkScale", which has a "value-changed" -signal |
| 21:59.30 | lcuk | (HildonControlbar is built from it) |
| 21:59.53 | rm_you | ah |
| 22:00.08 | inz | Unfortunately the hildon documentation doesn't have links to the gtk documentation :/ |
| 22:00.16 | rm_you | right :/ sorry |
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| 22:00.36 | lcuk | you doin this in c? |
| 22:00.57 | rm_you | yes |
| 22:01.08 | rm_you | I'm a Java person normally >_> so this is weird |
| 22:01.23 | lcuk | i dled the dev vmware image but for some reason couldnt even get hello world to compile and run |
| 22:01.42 | inz | lcuk, you should've started with something more simple |
| 22:01.54 | lcuk | lol - simpler than hello world? |
| 22:02.28 | hugolp | pupnik_: you kidding |
| 22:02.39 | lcuk | im using windows as main desktop so couldnt setup a proper toolchain here simply |
| 22:02.50 | Juhaz | rm_you, that's the generic signal that is, works for anything that changes a property, as per inz, there is apparently a specific one. |
| 22:03.04 | rm_you | yeah found it |
| 22:03.08 | rm_you | value-changed |
| 22:03.12 | rm_you | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkRange.html#GtkRange-value-changed |
| 22:03.43 | rm_you | kinda sad though that I need you guys to tell me to read the page i'm looking at >_> |
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| 22:04.35 | lcuk | not really rm - whats your normal dev env/ language? |
| 22:04.48 | rm_you | Java in either Eclipse or VIM |
| 22:05.10 | rm_you | generally i code in VIM though, so i dont rely too heavily on Eclipse features >_> |
| 22:05.30 | lcuk | and you wonder why you aren't a ninja at gtk? |
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| 22:05.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:05.38 | rm_you | yeah, i do Swing <_< |
| 22:05.55 | lcuk | im just as bad - im in vb and vb.net... |
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| 22:07.07 | hachi | everyone is making fun of me for buying a nokia 810 instead of an iphone... I'm happy though |
| 22:07.10 | lcuk | im just glad i didnt try to use my 810 as toilet paper as i might have done with other tutorials in the past |
| 22:07.18 | rm_you | heh... i do python too, but not for a while |
| 22:07.23 | Tak | speaking of vb.net, is there a mono runtime for os200[78] ? |
| 22:07.24 | rm_you | g_signal_connect(cbar, "value-changed", G_CALLBACK(set_level), NULL); |
| 22:07.28 | rm_you | does that look right? |
| 22:07.37 | rm_you | i need to look up a tutorial on signals >_> |
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| 22:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, then everyone you know is stupid. :P |
| 22:09.02 | lcuk | hachi, iphone might be polished but its a walled garden. very restricted in what you can do |
| 22:09.53 | mikem23 | no mplayerplug-in yet? |
| 22:09.57 | Luria | eclipse? |
| 22:10.06 | Luria | christ |
| 22:10.27 | Luria | has that loaded yet? |
| 22:11.52 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:12.19 | hachi | how long does my new toy take to charge? |
| 22:12.20 | hachi | :) |
| 22:12.54 | lcuk | i dont know - im either using it whilst charging or its overnight |
| 22:13.16 | GeneralAntilles | 4-6-ish hours for a full charge |
| 22:13.21 | GeneralAntilles | 30 minutes for 80% |
| 22:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that'll be the slowest thing imaginable. |
| 22:15.04 | lcuk | what slow? |
| 22:15.15 | hachi | does pidgin talk to the main system about receipt of messages? |
| 22:15.25 | hachi | to make it light up for example |
| 22:16.00 | rm_you | hrm... are these signals run in a seperate thread? |
| 22:16.16 | rm_you | IE, am i going to run into file locking issues if i'm doing I/O to a file on a signal event? |
| 22:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | hachi, better off using the built-in client. |
| 22:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | Less memory usage |
| 22:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | jablet.net |
| 22:16.49 | rm_you | like, if someone moves the bar a bunch really fast and it calls the file i/o signal like 10 times in a second? |
| 22:16.51 | hachi | okiedokie |
| 22:18.03 | lcuk | rm: gtk_range_set_update_policy |
| 22:18.32 | lcuk | try it - if its not working change the policy |
| 22:19.23 | lcuk | GTK_UPDATE_CONTINUOUS / GTK_UPDATE_DELAYED / GTK_UPDATE_DISCONTINUOUS |
| 22:20.05 | rm_you | hrm k |
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| 22:20.43 | rm_you | so, now a REAL problem... when I set the brightness with fanoush's script, it changes immediately and then reverts back to the original brightness within like 3 seconds |
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| 22:21.37 | pupnik | rm_you: maybe that's worth a post to the forums |
| 22:22.04 | rm_you | actually, that's worth a LOOK at the forums. i'm getting ahead of myself again |
| 22:22.28 | rm_you | have to remember that just because i'm talking in IRC i shouldn't ignore other avenues |
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| 22:23.26 | hachi | GeneralAntilles: the internal client doesn't appear to be working, where do I start for docs on a technical level of these things, logs locations and such? |
| 22:24.46 | |tbb| | anyone managed to get link-local xmpp to run between to n8xx devices |
| 22:25.13 | hachi | whoah, I don't remember there being link-local discovery stuff in the rfcs |
| 22:26.46 | hachi | anyone use their device with a cingular/att cell phone and gprs? |
| 22:26.51 | |tbb| | i see the users each other through an adhoc connection, they showed as online but if i send a message i get, person not online... |
| 22:27.05 | Luria | with grps? |
| 22:27.12 | Luria | ive done it |
| 22:27.14 | GeneralAntilles | jablet.net |
| 22:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | It wont work with MSN or AIM yet |
| 22:27.22 | pupnik | is there a standard protocol to discover and share files with other nearby bluetooth devices? |
| 22:27.23 | Luria | in a pinch. a real pinch. |
| 22:27.24 | GeneralAntilles | You need a jabber account with transports. |
| 22:27.42 | hachi | no worries, I'm a maintainer on a few jabber servers |
| 22:27.51 | hachi | I don't even use other transports anymore :) |
| 22:28.15 | hachi | Luria: my phone didn't reflect that the GPRS was actually being used, it was weird |
| 22:29.04 | Luria | ive done it with my t68i, which im using until i figure out which phone i'd like to buy. |
| 22:29.18 | hachi | can I get at the pppd log? I suppose it's just the standard way |
| 22:29.32 | Luria | its pretty rare to find phone service and no edge |
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| 22:29.41 | Luria | was it the network or your phone? |
| 22:29.44 | hachi | my phone doesn't support edge |
| 22:29.57 | Luria | ah |
| 22:30.35 | Luria | well, browse with links :-) |
| 22:31.16 | hachi | well, the problem is |
| 22:31.21 | hachi | I don't know if it's working |
| 22:31.29 | hachi | or if the device is using some other network available to it |
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| 22:32.07 | hachi | yeah, it's not doing anything, it blinks in the status area... oh now it finally said it failed |
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| 22:32.19 | hachi | apparently blink means 'I'm trying' |
| 22:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | What service do you have? |
| 22:32.52 | doc|work | anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ |
| 22:32.52 | hachi | att |
| 22:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | isp wont work unless you have the full tethering service |
| 22:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | you have to use wap otherwise |
| 22:33.20 | Spakman_ | I'm trying to build Frothing (http://code.google.com/p/frothing/), but can't get configure to recognise that I've got libgtkhtml2-dev install. Anyone any ideas? |
| 22:33.21 | hachi | that's weird then... cause I use it with my laptop all the time |
| 22:33.35 | hachi | I don't have the tethering service, but GPRS works fine |
| 22:33.36 | Luria | not so |
| 22:33.42 | hachi | the phone even says "GPRS acrive" |
| 22:33.47 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wow, so i'll i've managed to do so far is screw up my brightness presets >_> lol |
| 22:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 22:33.58 | Luria | i have no data plan, and its works fine |
| 22:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | How are you calling blset? |
| 22:34.10 | Luria | even non port 80 communication |
| 22:34.11 | rm_you | well |
| 22:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds expensive, Luria. |
| 22:34.16 | rm_you | blset wasn't doing much... |
| 22:34.18 | glass | Luria: sure you're not on some defualt per KB plan? |
| 22:34.23 | rm_you | so i tried the dsmetest -l thing |
| 22:34.33 | rm_you | and i guess i didn't really understand what that was doing :P |
| 22:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | blset <brightness> ? |
| 22:35.11 | |tbb| | anyway i was thinking you can use video calls to each other without connected to google or somewhere else, it seems that is not supported |
| 22:35.48 | rm_you | when i use blset, it changes but then reverts after about 3 seconds |
| 22:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 22:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | Even when you use the script from xterm? |
| 22:36.14 | rm_you | yes |
| 22:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 22:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Weirdness |
| 22:36.41 | rm_you | wait... now after messing with "chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -l" for like 5 minutes, it appears to be sticking >_> |
| 22:36.48 | lcuk | mrm - what were you playing with applet wise earlier? it wasnt your own brightness control was it? |
| 22:37.01 | rm_you | lcuk: yes |
| 22:37.14 | lcuk | any chance yours is still loaded and intefering ;) |
| 22:37.18 | rm_you | but i hadnt actually hooked it up yet... it was just an "impotent" slider\ |
| 22:37.48 | Luria | afk |
| 22:38.19 | lcuk | nm then rm |
| 22:38.35 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ahhh so, what this is doing |
| 22:38.35 | j0tt | is there an easy way to switch to the arm perl instead of the i386 one in the chinook scratchbox? |
| 22:38.36 | |tbb| | Jaffa: do you got an n810 allready? |
| 22:38.57 | rm_you | err nm, lost again |
| 22:39.10 | rm_you | OH no i get it |
| 22:39.59 | rm_you | "./blset 50" sets the current brightness setting to 50, "./blset 3 50" sets the third software preset to 50 |
| 22:40.06 | rm_you | and yes, that seems obvious now that i say it :P |
| 22:40.13 | rm_you | but i wasnt sure what software meant earlier |
| 22:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | blset 0 50 sets the current level to 50, too. |
| 22:41.22 | GeneralAntilles | It confused me at first, too. |
| 22:42.24 | rm_you | >_> |
| 22:42.36 | rm_you | i was reading the script, and it doesnt make any sense |
| 22:43.05 | rm_you | value=$((hwlevel*256+swlevel+128)) |
| 22:43.29 | rm_you | so if i want full brightness on software 4, that means 127*256+4+128 |
| 22:43.45 | rm_you | which is a HUGE number.... |
| 22:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | just remember: blset [0-127] |
| 22:44.59 | rm_you | yes but |
| 22:45.07 | rm_you | i don't want to be calling the script from my program |
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| 22:45.14 | rm_you | i would rather directly do what it does |
| 22:45.22 | rm_you | which means i have to understand what's going on |
| 22:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | Right, right. |
| 22:45.29 | rm_you | which shouldn't be hard... I *KNOW* bash |
| 22:45.31 | j0tt | i guess it's better to read it as "hwlevel << 8" |
| 22:45.34 | rm_you | but this makes no sense |
| 22:45.42 | rm_you | ah? |
| 22:45.51 | rm_you | is that what's happening? |
| 22:45.53 | rm_you | but... |
| 22:45.58 | rm_you | man, this is so weird :/ |
| 22:46.05 | elb | rm_you: it's basically the brightness in the top 8 bits, and the level number in the bottom 8 bits |
| 22:46.14 | elb | or vice-versa, I'd have to reread the post |
| 22:46.20 | rm_you | OH |
| 22:46.26 | rm_you | that is NOT what i thought was going on |
| 22:46.45 | elb | * 256 is the same as << 8 |
| 22:47.00 | |tbb| | from what you are talking about? brightness hack on os2008 |
| 22:47.41 | hachi | GeneralAntilles: that site for jablet... three's nothing on it |
| 22:47.58 | hachi | news, that's all |
| 22:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://jablet.org:9090/plugins/registration/sign-up.jsp |
| 22:48.24 | lcuk | define: yonks = since the dinosaurs roamed the earth |
| 22:48.31 | rm_you | ./blset 2 50 |
| 22:48.32 | rm_you | writing 12930 to /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 22:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | But if you've already got your own jabber servers, it doesn't matter. |
| 22:48.39 | rm_you | >_> |
| 22:49.17 | hachi | but I can't connect to my jabber servers |
| 22:49.20 | penguinbait | find / -name you | xargs rm -rf |
| 22:49.20 | hachi | it just blinks at me |
| 22:49.22 | rm_you | but /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level is then 25 >_> |
| 22:49.27 | hachi | I'm looking for how to debug it |
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| 22:50.15 | hachi | pidgin connects just fine |
| 22:50.31 | hachi | and I tried two different (same software) jabber servers too |
| 22:50.34 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so... what command should I run to successfully set my CURRENT brightness to, say... the lowest? |
| 22:50.46 | GeneralAntilles | blset 1 |
| 22:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | or blset 0, if you've got an N810 |
| 22:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | With a transflective screen. |
| 22:51.09 | rm_you | ok |
| 22:51.09 | Luria | anyone using openvpn here? |
| 22:51.13 | hachi | oh man, that's right... these things work outside don't they |
| 22:51.21 | Luria | on the n8x0, i mean |
| 22:51.22 | rm_you | that sets /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level to "25" >_> |
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| 22:51.55 | rm_you | and if i look closely at my n800's screen, the brightness is flickering slightly |
| 22:52.07 | penguinbait | shutdown -r now |
| 22:52.09 | Luria | rm_you, ive noticed that |
| 22:52.12 | penguinbait | whoops |
| 22:52.24 | Luria | penguinbait, you cant kill freenode like that |
| 22:52.52 | Luria | well, i guess from his perspective, you can. |
| 22:53.28 | kriebel | I get flickers on the lowest setting on my 770 |
| 22:53.30 | j0tt | rm_you: maybe it should even read "hwlevel << 9" .. but that's just a blind guess ;) |
| 22:54.10 | hachi | I don't even see a TCP connect happening from the maemo builtin IM client |
| 22:55.01 | hachi | wait, there's a connect |
| 22:56.08 | Luria | is there an acmonitor for 2008? |
| 22:56.54 | hachi | maybe this is a bug in my jabber server |
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| 22:57.45 | penguinbait | I tried Luria, but it only seems to affected me :) |
| 22:57.52 | rm_you | so when i do "echo >/sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level 25728" and then I "cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level" it reports "3"!!!!! |
| 22:58.20 | rm_you | i've never seen redirection syntax like that before... |
| 22:58.23 | jsmith | Luria: I'm using the OpenVPN client on my n810 |
| 22:58.42 | Luria | * penguinbait has quit () |
| 22:58.43 | rm_you | if I do "echo >filename $value" does it like.... bitshift the value into the file or something!? |
| 22:58.44 | Luria | <Luria> well, i guess from his perspective, you can. |
| 22:59.03 | rm_you | this is so f'ed up >_> |
| 22:59.14 | penguinbait | ah I missed that :) |
| 22:59.18 | Luria | jsmith, do you find that the network doesnt reestablish when switching networks |
| 22:59.34 | Luria | even with "float" |
| 22:59.35 | jsmith | Luria: Haven't tried it while switching networks... that's a good question |
| 23:00.15 | Luria | i find that i have to kill and restart a lot |
| 23:00.55 | Luria | also, i get complaints about route, even though i sudo openvpn |
| 23:01.26 | Luria | are you using tap or tun, psk or a ca? |
| 23:01.57 | jsmith | tun, ca |
| 23:02.27 | Luria | cause a lot of these problems didnt exist with my "dumb" psk, tap, no routing connection |
| 23:02.42 | Luria | would you mind sharing your .conf/ovpn file? |
| 23:03.50 | jsmith | Luria: I don't have it handy right now... I'm in the middle of teaching a class. Try to catch me tomorrow |
| 23:04.03 | Luria | sorry, np |
| 23:04.07 | rm_you | WTF >_< |
| 23:04.34 | rm_you | i am about to tear my hair out |
| 23:04.36 | Luria | i really need to get on this openvpn frontend tip |
| 23:05.15 | lcuk | rm - sounds like you have a little penguin stuck in your box turning the lights back on |
| 23:05.15 | rm_you | is there a hex editor / octal dump / ANYTHING that will let me see the bits in a file? |
| 23:05.31 | rm_you | *on maemo, that is |
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| 23:06.12 | derf | vim -b isn't good enough for you? |
| 23:06.15 | rm_you | ah |
| 23:06.28 | rm_you | well |
| 23:06.39 | rm_you | no |
| 23:06.50 | rm_you | doesn't appear to show me bits >_> |
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| 23:07.24 | rm_you | ie, it isn't working |
| 23:08.11 | pupnik | "Kiss Mah Bits!" - Flo |
| 23:08.18 | bill2or3 | 'Grits' |
| 23:08.46 | pupnik | ..,.showing our age I think |
| 23:09.15 | pupnik | hey what store |
| 23:09.18 | bill2or3 | <-- old. |
| 23:09.50 | pupnik | sxpert: it's pretty sexy in real life isn't it |
| 23:10.06 | timely | hi Luria |
| 23:10.18 | Luria | hey timely |
| 23:10.26 | j0tt | rm_you: hexdump? |
| 23:10.35 | rm_you | j0tt: is it in maemo? |
| 23:10.36 | pupnik | i'm hoping people give feedback on the ITT forums for their micro/mini SD card performance |
| 23:10.37 | rm_you | don't see it |
| 23:10.41 | timely | kriebel: my 770 flickers a lot :( |
| 23:10.50 | pupnik | flickers at low brightness? |
| 23:11.11 | j0tt | rm_you: it's in the sdk so i guess it should be installable ;) |
| 23:11.17 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:11.18 | timely | mostly while charging |
| 23:11.30 | Luria | timely, msg wasn't a big deal, just wanted to know whether the debug pack was worth installing when i was doing scratchbox last night |
| 23:11.33 | timely | but yes, i only use the lowest brightness |
| 23:11.41 | timely | Luria: msg? |
| 23:11.45 | rm_you | j0tt: it is? |
| 23:12.01 | rm_you | oh, yes it is |
| 23:12.03 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:12.07 | Luria | oh ~2am est i /msged you. no biggie |
| 23:12.11 | rm_you | no source package for it included tho >_. |
| 23:12.17 | Luria | or it was timeless |
| 23:12.22 | timely | Luria: hrm, if you message'd timeless, that's a tiny buffer |
| 23:12.28 | Luria | i dont recall off hand |
| 23:12.29 | Juhaz | "flickers" as in the brightness varies slightly? |
| 23:12.34 | timely | Juhaz: yeah |
| 23:12.48 | timely | if you message this client i'll get a window which i'll see unless the box panics |
| 23:12.57 | timely | (which it has done twice since i added a new hdd) |
| 23:13.11 | Luria | hmm it would be nice to have useful brightness settings back... finger taps might be nice too |
| 23:13.20 | Luria | who decided to disable those? |
| 23:13.21 | timely | Luria: but, i haven't played w/ sb2 in months, and i don't have a working scratchbox of any flavor |
| 23:13.31 | alterego | Well, that confirms my email working again :) |
| 23:13.47 | timely | Luria: the people who though the light sensor in the n810 was good enough for everyone |
| 23:13.51 | timely | including the people w/o n810s |
| 23:13.52 | timely | ... |
| 23:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:14.46 | Luria | i havent changed my setting from 1. its too bright 90% of the time |
| 23:14.49 | timely | i had thought they were promising not to change the behavior for people w/o n810s |
| 23:14.59 | timely | but clearly i misinterpreted their statements :( |
| 23:15.14 | Luria | but the finger tap thing is perplexing |
| 23:15.37 | Juhaz | timely, yes, it does seem to occasionally do that while charging, the charger probably doesn't do very good job at rectifying, which causes some some slight interference |
| 23:15.37 | timely | ? |
| 23:15.52 | timely | "rectifying"? |
| 23:16.02 | Juhaz | converting ac current to dc |
| 23:16.15 | timely | Juhaz: is this a problem limited by region? |
| 23:16.16 | lcuk | charger meant to be DC flat voltage - its likely got spikes in it causing the flicker |
| 23:16.26 | rm_you | Luria: well, if i can get this custom brightness app working... >_> |
| 23:16.27 | timely | i.e. is it likely a problem in finland but not us? |
| 23:16.36 | Luria | im getting it right now, when the screen dims |
| 23:16.52 | Luria | no acmonitor for chinook, right? |
| 23:17.04 | sxpert | pupnik, yeah |
| 23:17.08 | derf | Luria: Is it needed? |
| 23:17.18 | Luria | i think so |
| 23:17.19 | sxpert | pupnik, will take it to wrok tomorrow to show around |
| 23:17.22 | derf | I thought chinook had a built-in setting. |
| 23:17.41 | derf | At least, for "Don't blank the screen when on AC power." |
| 23:17.47 | timely | ? |
| 23:17.57 | timely | built in setting for what? |
| 23:18.08 | Luria | i'd like dont blank and brightness |
| 23:18.19 | derf | Maybe I'm imagining things, but I swear someone said that. |
| 23:18.23 | pupnik | "the jolly, c a n d y l i k e N810!" |
| 23:18.25 | timely | in 2008 you can set it not to blank while plugged in |
| 23:18.37 | derf | I don't have OS 2008 installed on anything, yet, and the US discount codes aren't active yet. |
| 23:18.43 | derf | timely: Right. |
| 23:18.47 | alterego | I wish there was a shortcut for the application launcher .. |
| 23:18.48 | derf | That's what I was referring to. |
| 23:18.56 | timely | alterego? |
| 23:18.59 | alterego | To open the menu without having to touch the screen would be very cool. |
| 23:19.07 | |tbb| | how can i clear screen in osso-xterm? |
| 23:19.10 | derf | I mean, I could compile acmonitor for OS 2008, but I have no idea if it would work. |
| 23:19.12 | timely | you can press the home/switcher key |
| 23:19.17 | timely | and then use the arrows to walk up |
| 23:19.23 | timely | or at least, in 2007 you could |
| 23:19.36 | alterego | timely, not the task switcher. The application launch menu :P |
| 23:19.39 | Luria | you can do it in os 2008 too |
| 23:19.46 | alterego | The one you have to open to start apps :P |
| 23:19.49 | timely | alterego: well, you can walk to the app launch menu |
| 23:19.54 | timely | it's something like: |
| 23:20.06 | timely | switcher, up x 7, down 2, right |
| 23:20.07 | Luria | gah, in a finger / pen input they forgot that menu wraparound is handy |
| 23:20.27 | derf | Luria: You should see the Japanese input. |
| 23:20.41 | timely | derf: last i checked there was no shipping japanese input |
| 23:20.54 | derf | You'd better hope the kanji you want is one of the first few alternatives, because there's no way you'll find it in the pop-up list. |
| 23:20.56 | Luria | right, i forgot, that was impressive |
| 23:20.56 | alterego | timely, you're saying there's a way to start an application without having to press the screen? |
| 23:21.02 | alterego | To open the applications menu? |
| 23:21.03 | timely | alterego: yes |
| 23:21.06 | alterego | How? |
| 23:21.11 | derf | timely: maemocjk, I meant. Yes, obviously not Nokia's fault. |
| 23:21.12 | |tbb| | altegro on n810 ? |
| 23:21.13 | timely | alterego: you need 1 app running |
| 23:21.24 | timely | press the switcher key, |
| 23:21.25 | timely | then press left |
| 23:21.29 | timely | then press up a bunch of times |
| 23:21.33 | timely | then press right |
| 23:21.35 | Luria | then up up up |
| 23:21.35 | timely | it worked in 2007 |
| 23:21.37 | alterego | timely, ah, I see, meed. |
| 23:21.38 | lcuk | lol @ long winded |
| 23:21.40 | alterego | ~neat .. |
| 23:21.45 | Juhaz | timely, well, if it's noisy grid errors getting trough, region could have an effect (but I suspect it would be the other way around, Finnish electricity tends to be pretty clean), but if it's bad rectification, then no, every region would be about the same. |
| 23:21.51 | lcuk | check the bluetooth keyboard - theres a macro section, not sure if it will work |
| 23:21.57 | derf | timely: You don't need anything running. |
| 23:22.05 | |tbb| | lcuk it worked for me |
| 23:22.05 | derf | Or at least, you didn't in 2007. |
| 23:22.06 | alterego | timely, you can see why a keyboard shortcut would be nicer though yes? ;) |
| 23:22.24 | timely | alterego: my 770 doesn't have a keyboard |
| 23:22.51 | alterego | timely, sure. Either does mine, or my N800. The point is, when it's possible ;) |
| 23:22.59 | alterego | Maybe even a double press of the home button .. |
| 23:23.17 | timely | i'd settle for a way to prevent my devices from going flying whenever i move my legs |
| 23:23.24 | |tbb| | i got a few shortcuts, maximize, show home screen, open task switcher ... all about bluetooth keyboard shortcuts which worked on hardware keyboard of n810 |
| 23:23.27 | timely | (and catch the charger, which causes the device to fly) |
| 23:23.45 | alterego | :) |
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| 23:24.05 | alterego | The N810 is so nice. |
| 23:24.08 | derf | timely: Could be worse, you could have one of those Macbook magnetic power cords. |
| 23:24.19 | derf | That fall off if you breath on them wrong. |
| 23:24.25 | alterego | I feel so privileged to have one. |
| 23:24.27 | sxpert | is there a better GPS client of some sort, like one that'd tell you what it's doing ? |
| 23:24.29 | *** part/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@189.70.64.122) |
| 23:24.47 | timely | sxpert: there are 2 gps guis |
| 23:24.51 | timely | the one in Map is better |
| 23:25.00 | |tbb| | maybe gps_saver |
| 23:25.05 | Luria | alterego, if you like the n810 so much, stop sexually abusing it |
| 23:25.17 | alterego | The one in maemo mapper is best. I'm working on my own now. Not a map app. But a GPS information app. |
| 23:25.18 | |tbb| | fit in your needing |
| 23:25.25 | alterego | Luria, I can't help it .. :( |
| 23:25.44 | alterego | Luria, if I had a girlfriend I might have a bit more of a life :) |
| 23:25.52 | sxpert | also looking for a telnet client :-) (to connect to gpsd :-) |
| 23:25.57 | lcuk | when he gets it off gf that is |
| 23:26.02 | |tbb| | alterego: have you seen gps_saver |
| 23:26.07 | Luria | cant you guys abuse something normal, like kids? |
| 23:26.11 | alterego | |tbb|, nope. |
| 23:26.26 | alterego | Hahah @ Luria |
| 23:26.44 | |tbb| | this tool rocks, ive just got informed that a new version is out there |
| 23:26.58 | alterego | Luria, I play pranks on my 1.6 year old nephew if that counts :) |
| 23:27.52 | Luria | i've decided im not going to run with this joke |
| 23:27.53 | |tbb| | nice showing how fast you are driving with comma like 52,30 km/h |
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| 23:28.29 | timely | Luria: have you played w/ mxr.maemo.org deb? |
| 23:28.40 | Luria | i like the 790km gps picture |
| 23:28.47 | Luria | 790km/h |
| 23:29.12 | Luria | i had to disable it to download something |
| 23:29.20 | Luria | i forget what |
| 23:29.47 | Luria | now i have all these libillumination dependency hell problems |
| 23:30.06 | timely | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb |
| 23:30.07 | infobot | well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb |
| 23:30.18 | timely | Luria: the mxr deb shouldn't conflict |
| 23:30.22 | timely | it's a different host |
| 23:31.19 | timely | Luria: the rtcomm stuff isn't in my mirror |
| 23:31.24 | timely | i suppose is should grab that |
| 23:31.40 | Luria | oh yeah, that was it |
| 23:32.02 | Luria | i was going nuts, til i remembered that hosts had been modified |
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| 23:32.59 | timely | sorry, i'm grabbing that now |
| 23:33.05 | Luria | np |
| 23:33.19 | Luria | im slow, but i figured it out |
| 23:33.45 | v-v | hello, could I ask why gtk_tool_button_set_label(GTK_TOOL_BUTTON(tb_next), "label"); doesn't show me a label but just the the toolbar button with the icon? thanks |
| 23:33.55 | timely | do you know what repository.maemo.org/contrib is and why people would want to use it? |
| 23:33.59 | lcuk | oooh |
| 23:34.10 | lcuk | android on ARM hardware! http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/2113235 |
| 23:34.17 | sxpert | ok, I'll have to try the GPS tomorrow outside. can't get a fix inside (unlike my garmin GPS60 which is also a sirfstar 3) |
| 23:34.41 | |tbb| | sxpert what means also sirf3 |
| 23:35.13 | sxpert | well, same chip as in the N810, but probably the antenna on the garmin is probably much better |
| 23:35.40 | Luria | is it 3 or 3c (or whatever the low power is called) |
| 23:35.52 | sxpert | ah. |
| 23:35.53 | sxpert | hmm |
| 23:36.40 | Luria | its not mtk32 is it? |
| 23:38.07 | |tbb| | sxpert: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13569&highlight=sirf |
| 23:39.06 | murrayc_ | v-v: There is a global preference (and per-toolbar setting) for icons-only/icons+text/text-only. |
| 23:39.07 | Luria | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=112900 |
| 23:39.21 | Luria | yikes, crappy ti chip |
| 23:39.37 | sxpert | ah, crap |
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| 23:40.23 | pupnik | what is good about android lcuk |
| 23:40.24 | sxpert | well never mind, the thing didn't cost me much :-) |
| 23:40.24 | |tbb| | yeah your lucky |
| 23:40.24 | lcuk | pup - google phone / net device os |
| 23:41.02 | pupnik | so... it's 'good' because it's from google? |
| 23:41.19 | lcuk | its good because it looks nice |
| 23:41.22 | v-v | murrayc_: tnx, found this: http://tinyurl.com/yp3vrc bu could I ask how can I change those settings? |
| 23:41.45 | johnx | and having google backing it should help in the long run |
| 23:41.45 | Luria | nah, its cheap and pretty good, but never perfect. thats google |
| 23:43.06 | murrayc_ | v-v: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.12/GtkToolbar.html#gtk-toolbar-set-style |
| 23:43.49 | timely | Luria: ok, rtcomm added |
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| 23:44.11 | rm_you | ok, so to test this applet, i need to make it have permissions to write to a file owned by root... |
| 23:44.23 | rm_you | so i need to set the stickybit on the .so right? |
| 23:44.47 | rm_you | or... something >_> |
| 23:44.53 | rm_you | ahh sorry, setuidbit |
| 23:44.54 | johnx | what file owned by root? |
| 23:45.02 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.17 | derf | rm_you: Can't you just use the gconf interface? |
| 23:45.30 | rm_you | i wasn't aware that it worked correctly |
| 23:45.31 | v-v | murrayc_: many thanks :) and sorry for disturbing :/ |
| 23:45.38 | rm_you | otherwise, wouldn't fanoush's script use that? |
| 23:45.48 | timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/search?string=backlight_level&find=kernel |
| 23:45.50 | derf | It certainly worked correctly on OS 2007. |
| 23:45.55 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:45.58 | derf | I have no idea what fanoush's script is. |
| 23:45.59 | rm_you | yeah i saw the post |
| 23:46.33 | johnx | derf, rm_you is working with fanoush's modified kernel that supports more backlight levels |
| 23:46.37 | rm_you | but i don't really understand what is going on still, so i'm just trying to duplicate the thing that i KNOW works |
| 23:46.43 | derf | johnx: Oh. |
| 23:46.54 | johnx | rm_you, you can chgrp the file in the meantime |
| 23:47.01 | rm_you | yeah, considered that |
| 23:47.04 | rm_you | i guess i will... |
| 23:47.29 | *** join/#maemo CrashandDie (n=Crashand@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-63.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 23:48.07 | rm_you | or just a+w |
| 23:48.32 | rm_you | yay |
| 23:48.36 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: want to test? :P |
| 23:48.49 | sxpert | hmm. I guess I could use an external bluetooth unit :-) |
| 23:49.28 | Luria | it would be awesome if you could use an external and the internal |
| 23:49.36 | johnx | rm_you, have you noticed any regressions in the "more backlight levels" kernel? |
| 23:49.49 | johnx | I could probably be convinced to test it |
| 23:50.31 | rm_you | not really |
| 23:50.39 | rm_you | but i havent done much heavy testing |
| 23:50.46 | rm_you | i would imagine you could flash back? |
| 23:50.54 | rm_you | i would *hope* |
| 23:51.00 | johnx | yeah, yeah...just being lazy |
| 23:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, rm_you. |
| 23:53.03 | rm_you | kk sec |
| 23:53.12 | rm_you | i guess i'll skip packaging it up |
| 23:53.21 | rm_you | i'll just tar the .desktop and .so |
| 23:55.31 | lcuk | rm, this for '08? |
| 23:56.03 | |tbb| | i wish you could get the colors any better on n810, compared side by side with n800. it really sucks |
| 23:56.23 | rm_you | yes |
| 23:56.30 | rm_you | sooooooo it's... lame right now |
| 23:56.33 | rm_you | but it works i believe |
| 23:56.40 | timely | |tbb|: did you remove the plastic film? |
| 23:56.44 | rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.tar |
| 23:56.54 | |tbb| | yeah for sure |
| 23:57.13 | rm_you | known issues: it pops up in a ridiculous window instead of a nice little popdown >_> and you have to close that window manually |
| 23:57.45 | lcuk | do i need root to drop this in? |
| 23:57.46 | rm_you | also, you will have to chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 23:57.48 | rm_you | yes |
| 23:58.04 | rm_you | i could make an install script... |
| 23:58.05 | lcuk | ok - will test it for you on my 810 and report back |
| 23:58.05 | |tbb| | the screen isnt that nice! but if you walked outside on heavy lighten places you could live with that, because n810 rocks outside |
| 23:58.14 | lcuk | i would prefer that |
| 23:58.18 | rm_you | sec then |
| 23:58.23 | lcuk | but i will do it manually if required |
| 23:58.36 | lcuk | the brightness bugs me enough and i need root for other things |
