| 00:02.08 | skibur | anybody have KDE on their N800 or N810? |
| 00:03.25 | sampbar | happy new year all |
| 00:04.10 | jga23 | is there anyway to simulate the alt button in xterm on the 810? |
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| 00:11.29 | sp3000 | hello world |
| 00:11.50 | sp3000 | was there some sort of consensus on the last part of /topic being obsolete, yet? |
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| 00:14.32 | sp3000 | also, happy y++ all |
| 00:14.32 | ReverseGTR | sp3k: consensus on what? |
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| 00:15.48 | sp3000 | on repository and its caching having stopped the suck |
| 00:18.53 | bvsciguy | Why isn't modest labled in the "start menu", as modest but just Email? |
| 00:19.13 | ReverseGTR | sp3k: stopped the suck? do u mean stop sucking :) |
| 00:19.20 | sp3000 | yes :) |
| 00:19.27 | Mousey | ...and how do you get Modest to flash the little envelope in the corner, or make the led go blinky? |
| 00:19.41 | sp3000 | Mousey: it's been prone to doing that just fine for me |
| 00:20.01 | sp3000 | (even when I've turned it off, but I think djcb says that should be fixed now) |
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| 00:20.21 | ReverseGTR | btw, in other news a bunch of iPod touch owners are awaiting their SIP-VOIP app to be ready to download in 1 hour |
| 00:20.44 | Mousey | sp3000: oh? so if i go under the little people icon and click view email it'll take me to modest too? |
| 00:21.01 | sp3000 | Mousey: no, I don't think it integrates there, yet |
| 00:21.09 | sp3000 | but the event stuff seemed to |
| 00:21.24 | Mousey | well i just did apt-get upgrade and it was part, i should check it again anyway |
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| 00:22.07 | ReverseGTR | sp3k: btw, does the N810 have a software update client or does it only work through the terminal? |
| 00:22.09 | sp3000 | you'll probably want to scan through some of the latests posts on http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:22.20 | ReverseGTR | I mean OS2k8 |
| 00:22.38 | Mousey | it has a software update client gui type. but i use apt-get upgrade anyway |
| 00:23.17 | ReverseGTR | Mousey: awesome, thanks |
| 00:23.18 | sp3000 | ReverseGTR: OS2008 has the app manager stuff which will give you updates to things that people upload updates for |
| 00:26.07 | Mousey | ReverseGTR: what sp3000 said |
| 00:27.30 | ReverseGTR | ok like Fedora thx :) |
| 00:33.41 | ReverseGTR | I know I sound like a n00b when it comes to linux and truth be told I am. But I do use Yellow Dog Linux, which is based on Fedora from time to time and I just wanted to know how much different OS2008 is different from it. |
| 00:35.27 | sk | i was using fedora for the last like 5 years |
| 00:35.37 | sk | its pretty good |
| 00:35.47 | sk | but setting up the dev env on it for the n770 blowzzz |
| 00:35.52 | sk | so i switched to debian |
| 00:36.03 | Mousey | i use fedora at work, if it wasn't for yum it'd be hopeless.. debian is better, but fedora is Good Enough(tm) |
| 00:36.10 | sk | heh |
| 00:36.11 | sk | yeah |
| 00:36.21 | sk | i use mac osx for most stuff |
| 00:36.24 | sk | at work and shit |
| 00:36.51 | Mousey | what walled garden wondefulness |
| 00:36.53 | sk | xp/fedora VMs |
| 00:37.00 | sk | when needed |
| 00:37.00 | sk | hehe |
| 00:37.08 | sk | eer debian |
| 00:37.17 | sk | which im reinstalling now, going for a fresh attack on this SDK shit |
| 00:37.22 | sk | what a pain this has been |
| 00:37.23 | Mousey | i haven't used windows in a decade. =) |
| 00:37.33 | Mousey | can u believe it's been 10 years since 98? |
| 00:37.39 | sk | crazy! |
| 00:39.25 | ReverseGTR | Mousey: Well I currently use XP but I am not too interested to move onto Vista except for DirectX 10 and am looking for an easy but affordable way out. Which is why I like Linux and ecspecially distros based on Fedora as it seems to be a bit more user friendly for configuring graphics, add/removing programs and network settings. |
| 00:40.34 | ReverseGTR | I would blow off Vista entirely if OpenGL gets any easy to program physics engine and many game desigers take advantage of it. :) |
| 00:40.50 | Mousey | ReverseGTR: well, truth be told, all distros are the same, even binarily [well, on the same architecture, armle != x86], so all the differences you might see between Debian and Fedora and the lot.. |
| 00:41.02 | Mousey | Xorg.conf is Xorg.conf in every distro |
| 00:42.03 | Mousey | ReverseGTR: and i'm pretty sure PhysX isn't tied to a given 3d API |
| 00:42.12 | ReverseGTR | Mousey: I always thought there are slight variations in compiling and other hardware commands? |
| 00:43.10 | Mousey | there can be, but it doesn't change that they're all the same. the packages they're in might be different [deb's, vs RPM's, vs tar balls], but inside they're the same.. it only gets messy because each disto picks different package naming and dependency schemes |
| 00:43.11 | shackan | what the heck does openGL have to do with physics ? |
| 00:43.49 | Mousey | shackan: Wintendo addiciton ;) |
| 00:44.20 | ReverseGTR | shackan: DIrectX 10 bundles in an physics engine which many games like World in Conflict and Bioshock exclusively work on |
| 00:44.40 | shackan | well, screw games, anyway |
| 00:45.02 | ReverseGTR | shakan: I guess I can always rely on Sony and Nintendo for alternatives |
| 00:46.10 | ReverseGTR | I just wish someone updated OpenGL's source without making it their own like Sony did with the PS3 in order to better able compete with DirectX as a whole |
| 00:48.22 | ReverseGTR | also without a good physics engine future GUIs that can use multi-touch and 3D icons will be out of reach to be powered on OpenGL. I know most of you don't really think GUIs need to evolve anymore but it would be cool if it did happen it could be done in a way in which one company doesn't exclusively controll it. |
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| 00:48.47 | Mousey | opengl is at 3.0 |
| 00:50.14 | p| | anyone know if exists rdiff-backup for os2008 ? |
| 00:50.37 | Mousey | isn't that just a python script? |
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| 00:53.06 | ReverseGTR | Mousey: as far as I know OpenGL 3.x is still MIA and unlike Dx10 they are not re-releasing any specs to GPU manufacturers. |
| 00:53.51 | Mousey | huh? |
| 00:53.56 | Mousey | http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18446/OpenGL-3-Announced/ |
| 00:55.42 | ReverseGTR | but I guess that is because Open GL is not firmware dependent as Dx10 which is designed to be dependent on it. Anyways according to this they are back to the drawingboards for 3.0: http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=231809&fpart=1 |
| 00:55.50 | p| | Mousey, i don't know :) |
| 00:56.34 | Mousey | p |
| 00:56.57 | Mousey | p|: yea, it's just a python script. i don't know what all it depends on, but i can't imagine it'd be that hard to get working on an nseries |
| 01:00.59 | ReverseGTR | the N series OS sounds better everyday I log on here |
| 01:04.43 | ReverseGTR | Mousey and shakan: I guess you're both right in that I shouldn't care about gaming when choosing a next primary OS. In the mean time though concerning computer gaming maybe I should root for this business: http://www.fallingleafsystems.com/ |
| 01:05.48 | ReverseGTR | at least until OpenGL 3.0 is officially out |
| 01:11.14 | ReverseGTR | yay!? |
| 01:14.30 | sp3000 | hm, these other dirs aren't that big |
| 01:16.08 | sp3000 | 115/115 says it's fine here |
| 01:16.18 | *** topic/#maemo by sp3000 -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook |
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| 01:25.00 | ReverseGTR | sp3k: how does a repo work on the host end, is it like an ftp site? |
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| 01:26.29 | sp3000 | apt supports a few methods, http is the one commonly used |
| 01:29.23 | ReverseGTR | sp3k: is bittorrent one of them? |
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| 01:33.01 | sp3000 | not that I know of |
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| 01:39.12 | Nichod | Anyone know why an application will install, but upon attempting start, the application loading comes up then goes away, and no application actually loads |
| 01:39.45 | celesteh | passive agrression |
| 01:41.33 | celesteh | um, the application is screwed up. |
| 01:42.06 | celesteh | are you in red pill mode? |
| 01:42.32 | Nichod | No. |
| 01:43.05 | celesteh | hm, well, the answer is that something is wrong with the app. |
| 01:43.13 | sp3000 | reboot and sacrifice two goats? |
| 01:43.18 | celesteh | or one of the libraries that it depends upon |
| 01:43.23 | celesteh | yeah, rebooting is a good idea |
| 01:43.39 | celesteh | but if you want to know what to do about it, aside from rebooting |
| 01:43.42 | sp3000 | are you implyign sacrificing two goats is not? |
| 01:43.52 | Nichod | Tried reboot logical first thing. |
| 01:43.57 | celesteh | i would sacrifice tofu instead . . . |
| 01:44.14 | celesteh | you could erase it and try to re-install |
| 01:44.23 | celesteh | are other people able to get the app to work? |
| 01:44.54 | Nichod | Weird both nicotine and pygtkeditor |
| 01:45.04 | Nichod | Yeah they are. |
| 01:45.25 | celesteh | do other apps work? your OS could be corrupted or something |
| 01:46.08 | celesteh | do those apps share a dependancy? |
| 01:46.15 | Nichod | On my nokia noow |
| 01:46.28 | celesteh | moo? |
| 01:46.43 | Nichod | Not sure. Don't believe they do. |
| 01:47.18 | celesteh | if you have a whole bunch of apps screwing up, you might want to reflash the device |
| 01:49.04 | Nichod | Just two. Installed others afterwards and they worked fine |
| 01:49.18 | ReverseGTR | Nichod: how did download the app? |
| 01:50.20 | ReverseGTR | also what kind of package did you download it as, a .tar or binary? |
| 01:50.56 | Nichod | The pygtkeditorr was from website. Nicotine from maemo via install link. |
| 01:51.06 | Nichod | Deb |
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| 01:55.09 | ReverseGTR | Nichod: unistall the current gtkeditor, then find and download the gtkeditor from a different website. I also found this little tidbit that states Gtkeditor is obsolete according to GNU organization: http://www.gnu.org/software/gtkeditor/ |
| 01:57.18 | Nichod | Gooddiie |
| 01:59.50 | Nichod | Just want a good clean easy editor |
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| 02:00.34 | e-squizo | Happy New Year |
| 02:00.49 | deejoe | Happy New Year to y'all in .br |
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| 02:09.52 | ReverseGTR | happy new year to u too. |
| 02:09.57 | ReverseGTR | ciaou |
| 02:21.36 | acydlord | happy new years |
| 02:21.50 | acydlord | don't drink and derive |
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| 02:52.49 | alterego | Happy new year :) |
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| 06:25.04 | sandyang028 | :P |
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| 07:10.40 | kevinverma | hello, is there any nokia phone screen-protector a perfect fit for N800 ? |
| 07:14.11 | doc|home | kevinverma: boxwave.com make one, but it's not cheap and they shaft you on shipping |
| 07:14.16 | astro76 | kevinverma, are you in the US or elsewhere? |
| 07:14.39 | astro76 | perhaps but boxwave one is great |
| 07:15.26 | kevinverma | astro76, I am in India |
| 07:15.55 | kevinverma | here, its easy to choose from popular models of phones for screen-protectors |
| 07:16.01 | astro76 | kevinverma, http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018 |
| 07:16.24 | kevinverma | I have tried PSP protectors they work well, only I have to cut them a bit from side |
| 07:17.41 | kevinverma | yeah this ^^ link looks good but I need ref. for the best compatible screen device that I can pick screen-protector for, locally |
| 07:18.07 | kevinverma | i guess N92 was the closest to N800 in screen-size , if i am correct |
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| 07:22.40 | zoran | someone uses garnet vm on gregale? |
| 07:23.11 | unique311 | 2008 sucks |
| 07:23.17 | unique311 | no flying cars still |
| 07:23.20 | unique311 | no robots |
| 07:23.22 | unique311 | wtf |
| 07:23.28 | vegai | *you* don't have them |
| 07:23.34 | zoran | blondes are flying |
| 07:23.36 | unique311 | when can i see robots roaming the fucking streets |
| 07:23.46 | unique311 | i wants the robots |
| 07:24.43 | unique311 | i think i will be like 90 (if i i make it to 90) when i see fucking flying cars |
| 07:25.02 | unique311 | evolution is a slow process |
| 07:25.25 | zoran | unique311, no chance for flying cars |
| 07:25.30 | unique311 | i know |
| 07:25.37 | unique311 | which sucks |
| 07:25.51 | zoran | gas will out for good |
| 07:25.54 | unique311 | i remember thinking 2000 was going to be all futuristic |
| 07:26.14 | zoran | it was |
| 07:26.19 | unique311 | hoepfully 2010 is |
| 07:26.22 | unique311 | it was |
| 07:26.25 | unique311 | i think not |
| 07:26.41 | vegai | I hope that I get my N810 in 2008. Gdamnit |
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| 07:26.45 | staulkor_ | :P |
| 07:26.48 | zoran | internet changed the way most people see the things |
| 07:26.50 | vegai | didn't get it last year! |
| 07:26.53 | zoran | and tv |
| 07:26.53 | unique311 | ok best gadget of 2000+ was the IT or umpc |
| 07:27.12 | vegai | IT? |
| 07:27.21 | unique311 | youtube was a major breakthru... |
| 07:27.21 | zoran | internet tablet |
| 07:27.26 | unique311 | yeah |
| 07:27.34 | vegai | then again, horrible retardations like lolcats, facebook, myspace emerged |
| 07:27.37 | unique311 | is the IT considered a umpc? |
| 07:27.39 | zoran | eee could be better? |
| 07:27.53 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:28.02 | unique311 | i want to see flying cars |
| 07:28.11 | unique311 | fuck the flying cars...at least robots |
| 07:28.15 | unique311 | in every home |
| 07:28.17 | zoran | I see attempt to make real debian on eee |
| 07:28.24 | zoran | and robots are all around |
| 07:28.30 | zoran | they have names and smile |
| 07:28.33 | unique311 | not the types i want to see |
| 07:28.34 | zoran | nothing inside |
| 07:28.44 | vegai | there are actually useful actual robots already. Vacuum cleaners and such |
| 07:28.51 | unique311 | i want to see some irobots |
| 07:28.59 | unique311 | that would be all futuristic |
| 07:29.21 | zoran | 100 feets tall marching through 5th avenue? |
| 07:29.26 | vegai | I think their plan is to wait until all of us have dust allergies. *then* they will rule us |
| 07:29.30 | unique311 | i'm not that old, but i'm hoping stuff like that happens before i kick the bucket |
| 07:29.59 | zoran | when it comes, resources will go out |
| 07:30.09 | zoran | include polution |
| 07:30.19 | zoran | crime |
| 07:30.24 | vegai | what I'm afraid of is that they'll invent a way to achieve immortality 2 months after I die of something stupid |
| 07:30.26 | unique311 | i think we will evolve to the point of |
| 07:30.40 | zoran | ah, no imortality! |
| 07:30.40 | unique311 | being able to breath in the smog |
| 07:30.46 | unique311 | better lungs |
| 07:30.54 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:30.56 | zoran | nature makes the best |
| 07:31.14 | unique311 | the word i was looking for was (adapt) |
| 07:31.17 | zoran | make a seed of nano pc |
| 07:31.28 | zoran | water it |
| 07:31.35 | unique311 | as the air gets worse.. |
| 07:31.35 | zoran | let it grow |
| 07:31.42 | unique311 | i think out lungs will adapt |
| 07:31.54 | zoran | hm, no chance |
| 07:31.57 | unique311 | i hope |
| 07:32.32 | zoran | human kind grows and gets weight |
| 07:33.02 | zoran | lungs are not on the list |
| 07:33.03 | unique311 | zoran, so you think eventually we will wipe out selves out |
| 07:33.26 | unique311 | i think we will adapt. |
| 07:33.29 | zoran | unfortunately |
| 07:33.45 | unique311 | not a big fan of the borg |
| 07:34.01 | unique311 | but i think if evolution is as real as scientist state it is. |
| 07:34.04 | zoran | I have a lag from this remote box :( |
| 07:34.34 | unique311 | we should adapt to global warming and everyhting else thats happening with the world |
| 07:35.14 | zoran | it could take million years |
| 07:35.14 | unique311 | science = ist |
| 07:35.21 | unique311 | so they say |
| 07:35.53 | zoran | I saw a tv saying this calm era is just a coincidense |
| 07:35.55 | unique311 | but all this tech thats happening right now is a result of what? |
| 07:36.21 | zoran | second lightning |
| 07:36.34 | unique311 | lighting |
| 07:36.37 | unique311 | hmm |
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| 07:37.07 | zoran | split of the second in natures's calendar |
| 07:37.14 | zoran | nothing |
| 07:37.25 | zoran | does nature even cares about humans |
| 07:37.32 | zoran | *care |
| 07:37.37 | unique311 | so electricity is the reason of all this technology we have right now? |
| 07:37.47 | zoran | I suppose so |
| 07:37.57 | zoran | and tv |
| 07:38.09 | zoran | global policy? |
| 07:38.16 | zoran | advertisement |
| 07:38.18 | unique311 | i thought it was because of the whole area 51 thing |
| 07:38.25 | zoran | :) |
| 07:38.27 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:38.36 | zoran | I like the gangre |
| 07:38.51 | zoran | but do not believe, even I try |
| 07:39.23 | unique311 | stupid example. |
| 07:39.24 | zoran | remove pc and we live worse than 50 yr ago |
| 07:39.26 | unique311 | sd cards |
| 07:39.44 | unique311 | 1gb was tops |
| 07:39.47 | unique311 | back in what |
| 07:39.49 | zoran | humans cannot live in space, I think |
| 07:39.54 | unique311 | 2002 |
| 07:40.20 | zoran | good enough for my usage :) |
| 07:40.36 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:40.48 | zoran | my good friend say I don't use computer, I use linux |
| 07:40.57 | unique311 | 32GB by xmas next year costing the same amount as a 1GB |
| 07:40.58 | zoran | he does not diff linux and bsd |
| 07:41.17 | zoran | newer laptops will have 4 gb of ram |
| 07:41.27 | zoran | ask why? |
| 07:41.33 | unique311 | i try not too. |
| 07:41.41 | unique311 | gives me a fucking headache |
| 07:41.45 | zoran | to sold what was not for vista |
| 07:41.58 | zoran | imagine! |
| 07:42.29 | zoran | u need 4 gb? |
| 07:42.48 | unique311 | can we call 1GB going to 32GB sd cards evolution? |
| 07:43.09 | zoran | yes |
| 07:43.14 | unique311 | or does evolution only deal with humans going from ape to humans |
| 07:43.16 | unique311 | ? |
| 07:43.42 | zoran | all that, of you see that way |
| 07:44.04 | unique311 | so by 2010 can i expect some flying cars? |
| 07:44.25 | zoran | no |
| 07:44.27 | unique311 | fuck |
| 07:44.43 | zoran | imagine all those morons making accidents in the air |
| 07:44.51 | zoran | all falling down |
| 07:44.58 | unique311 | trial and error |
| 07:45.03 | zoran | :) |
| 07:45.13 | unique311 | you need those accidents in order to make stuff better. |
| 07:45.16 | unique311 | evolve |
| 07:45.41 | unique311 | you don't think we just went from apes to humans in 1 day. |
| 07:45.54 | zoran | maybe 5 million yrs |
| 07:45.58 | zoran | maybe less |
| 07:46.05 | zoran | radiation could help |
| 07:46.07 | unique311 | 5 million years is way too long |
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| 07:46.13 | zoran | not for nature |
| 07:46.24 | unique311 | i'm hoping tech wise evolution don't take so long |
| 07:46.24 | zoran | dynos reigned more |
| 07:47.04 | zoran | evolution is I saw garnet vm this days and want it in a day on my 770 |
| 07:47.26 | unique311 | like i said, i remember being 13 and thinking the year 2000 was going to be all futuristic and all.. |
| 07:47.30 | unique311 | somewhat it is. |
| 07:47.40 | unique311 | but not as much as i thought it would be. |
| 07:47.43 | zoran | more food |
| 07:47.49 | zoran | more tv shoes |
| 07:47.53 | zoran | *shows |
| 07:48.01 | zoran | less brain |
| 07:48.13 | unique311 | me talking to you over the internet was not part of the thought process that was going thru my mind. |
| 07:48.15 | zoran | more gadgets |
| 07:48.54 | zoran | c |
| 07:49.27 | unique311 | then again i think from 1998 to now alot of shit is futuristic. |
| 07:50.31 | zoran | better package |
| 07:51.21 | vegai | when did the palm pilots come out? |
| 07:51.22 | unique311 | i don't own a cd player |
| 07:51.41 | unique311 | i had a plam vx in 2002 |
| 07:52.07 | unique311 | so im guesing 1998-99 |
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| 07:52.37 | Zic | hi |
| 07:52.40 | unique311 | hello |
| 07:52.49 | Zic | (happy gnu^Wnew year) |
| 07:52.52 | unique311 | we are talking about the future, want to join Zic |
| 07:52.53 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:52.57 | Zic | :) |
| 07:53.28 | Zic | just question for me ;) : In process list, I have "kicker" ... It's the same as KDE Kicker pannel ?! |
| 07:53.41 | unique311 | so whats to follow in the footsteps of mp3's |
| 07:53.57 | Zic | it's strange for a gnome/gtk-based os for tablet :] |
| 07:54.31 | zoran | unique311, more drm, as I see it |
| 07:55.00 | zoran | and no more Jimi Hendrix or jefferson Airplane |
| 07:55.04 | vegai | or then we'll be stuck with mp3 for the next 10 years |
| 07:55.13 | unique311 | jimi is forever zoran |
| 07:55.23 | zoran | and Grateful Dead |
| 07:55.30 | unique311 | yes |
| 07:55.38 | zoran | Lou Reed? |
| 07:56.35 | unique311 | lou Reed? |
| 07:57.20 | zoran | velvet undergound |
| 07:57.38 | zoran | 40 yrs ago |
| 07:57.51 | unique311 | lately i've been listening to alot of techno(dance) tunes |
| 07:57.55 | unique311 | strange |
| 07:58.16 | unique311 | the older i get, the stranger the music i like gets. |
| 07:58.41 | zoran | like Nick Cave? |
| 08:00.54 | unique311 | nah |
| 08:01.17 | unique311 | benny benassi |
| 08:01.28 | unique311 | basshunter |
| 08:01.54 | unique311 | dan balan |
| 08:01.59 | zoran | the best cd in the last year was grinderman to me |
| 08:02.07 | unique311 | grinderman |
| 08:02.35 | unique311 | genre? |
| 08:02.44 | zoran | hard to say |
| 08:02.49 | zoran | rock |
| 08:03.03 | zoran | with psychodelic frills |
| 08:03.09 | zoran | like Jimi |
| 08:03.25 | unique311 | k |
| 08:03.35 | unique311 | http://www.last.fm/music/Crazy+Loop/+videos/+1-8qTFqnDpuvE check out this vid zoran |
| 08:03.46 | unique311 | i like his sound |
| 08:03.50 | zoran | I have no real broadband |
| 08:03.59 | unique311 | the video is really good |
| 08:04.46 | zoran | the very reason I like ascci is to come over this low through-put |
| 08:05.09 | zoran | cable provider is kind of robot |
| 08:05.18 | zoran | no brain, just body |
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| 08:06.24 | unique311 | h |
| 08:06.24 | zoran | no country in nyc? |
| 08:07.01 | unique311 | nyc is its own country. |
| 08:07.09 | unique311 | the whole united states thing is a front |
| 08:07.19 | zoran | Johnny Cash has some cd with just voice and guitar, american recordings, I think |
| 08:08.06 | zoran | have been in Arizona? |
| 08:10.03 | unique311 | ny, florida, chicago, california |
| 08:10.07 | unique311 | virginia |
| 08:10.13 | unique311 | north carolina |
| 08:10.14 | unique311 | sout |
| 08:10.21 | unique311 | DC |
| 08:10.31 | unique311 | so on and so on |
| 08:11.07 | zoran | huh, what a mess just to download garnet vm!!! |
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| 08:11.58 | zoran | they sent the link, but it did not arrive |
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| 08:23.44 | zoran | hm, I just cannot get through pages to download garnet! |
| 08:23.53 | zoran | goes all around |
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| 08:55.45 | ppip | hello |
| 08:57.44 | ppip | my n770 got wsod |
| 08:57.46 | ppip | ... |
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| 09:15.23 | eber_ | happy new year :) |
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| 12:05.43 | sandyang028 | Happy New Year:P |
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| 13:28.02 | sbaturzio | Happy New Year!!!! |
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| 15:02.56 | hahlo | booiiing: how you managed to get gpg-tor freenode working? Do you use gpg key as passwd? |
| 15:05.50 | hahlo | To me it always say 'bad password' closing link |
| 15:06.20 | booiiing | you have to use the nickname and password that you provided in the email |
| 15:06.44 | booiiing | i sent them a nickname and an md5-hash of the password, signed with my key and a copy of my public key attached |
| 15:07.25 | hahlo | booiiing: passwd as hashed or plain text when you connect? |
| 15:08.15 | booiiing | plain of course |
| 15:08.42 | hahlo | ok I have tried to do so |
| 15:09.01 | hahlo | maybe it takes time |
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| 15:28.56 | n770_11 | lokking for n770 telnet |
| 15:29.03 | n770_11 | lookin |
| 15:29.12 | n770_11 | sory |
| 15:29.43 | n770_11 | looking for N770 telnet soft any help? |
| 15:30.07 | doc|home | n770_11: garage.maemo.org should be a good place to start |
| 15:30.29 | n770_11 | have OS 2006.49-2 |
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| 15:38.56 | n770_11 | anybody available abt: OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition |
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| 15:44.55 | |tbb| | hello all, happy new year! |
| 15:45.07 | |tbb| | r the maemo repros not broken anymore? |
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| 16:39.50 | zoran | could someone show me md5 for garnet vm for nokia 770? |
| 16:40.42 | jackylee | Is there an java enviroment in Nokia N800 |
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| 16:46.18 | skibur | good morning |
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| 16:47.10 | unique311 | jackylee, jalimo? |
| 16:47.50 | unique311 | java-like environment for mobile Linux devices |
| 16:48.23 | jackylee | Thank you.^_^ |
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| 16:53.50 | unique311 | np |
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| 16:54.46 | unique311 | so with the IT making alot of noise end of the year, we should expect lots more goodies for it this year. |
| 16:54.49 | unique311 | hopefully |
| 16:55.08 | skibur | is kde on n800 a good Idea? |
| 16:55.15 | unique311 | sd card |
| 16:55.28 | unique311 | speaking of sd cards, today i clone my os |
| 16:55.32 | unique311 | to sd card |
| 16:55.57 | unique311 | installing way too much applications...running out of room |
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| 17:00.19 | eber_ | unique: i cloned mine to 2Gb internal space on n810. Have lot of room now :) |
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| 17:03.22 | unique311 | eber_, which guide did you follow? |
| 17:06.13 | eber_ | unique: i read the one in the wiki and this one (including links) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/index.php?t-13604.html |
| 17:09.08 | Zic | on the process list (viewed by load-applet), I have "kicker" ... The same kicker panel as in KDE ? |
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| 17:11.31 | n770_11 | if anybody knows a telnet client for N770 pse email: dl5raz(at)darc.de |
| 17:11.54 | skibur | Is there a command in linux that can display how much space each directory is taking? |
| 17:11.55 | atlas95 | hello |
| 17:12.07 | skibur | like the command df |
| 17:12.18 | atlas95 | I have jsut install the sdk, I see any apps available in the program manager |
| 17:12.33 | atlas95 | I think I have lost a line in my sources.list? |
| 17:13.24 | truls | skibur: du |
| 17:14.31 | skibur | hum... |
| 17:15.02 | skibur | all I see is numbers on the left and directories on the right that are repeating like crazy |
| 17:16.17 | n770_11 | if anybody knows a telnet client for N770 pse email: dl5raz(at)darc.de |
| 17:16.41 | n770_11 | or let me know here |
| 17:16.58 | skibur | how about just for the main directory like etc, bin, root, var, usr,... |
| 17:19.05 | unique311 | du /etc |
| 17:19.09 | unique311 | du --help |
| 17:19.36 | skibur | hum... |
| 17:19.41 | skibur | du -Sh |
| 17:19.49 | skibur | but not getting what I want |
| 17:19.53 | skibur | trying... |
| 17:20.04 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.36 | unique311 | du -SH /directoryyouwanttocheck |
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| 17:25.29 | skibur | for example |
| 17:25.43 | unique311 | S is an invalid option |
| 17:26.02 | skibur | ls -lh shows that my /home is 4.0k? |
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| 17:26.15 | skibur | I have more than 10gb |
| 17:26.25 | skibur | 4.0k is the folder created |
| 17:26.30 | skibur | I'm assuming |
| 17:27.21 | unique311 | shows 0 over here |
| 17:27.37 | skibur | and my /sbin should be on the 20gb |
| 17:27.37 | unique311 | du shows that it s 13498 |
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| 17:28.43 | skibur | if 'ls' could show how much each directory is taking up on / it would be nice. |
| 17:28.58 | skibur | just the main ones though |
| 17:29.01 | skibur | anyway |
| 17:29.02 | unique311 | du shows this |
| 17:29.37 | skibur | yeah but recursively |
| 17:35.39 | alterego | Only if you tell it to recurse. |
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| 17:36.04 | maemo-user | hi |
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| 17:37.44 | maemo-user | i make a mistake whebn i flash my n800 , i download a old firwmare and flash with this firmware by error |
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| 17:38.28 | Jiten | sounds like you should just download the new one and flash that then. |
| 17:38.28 | maemo-user | i would like know if it is possible to reflash with a last version, or i my n800 is broken now ?? |
| 17:38.29 | eber_ | maemo-user: why not just reflash it with the new one ? |
| 17:38.46 | maemo-user | eber_: i can switch on anymore |
| 17:39.20 | Jiten | does it show anything on the screen when you try to switch on? |
| 17:39.44 | Jiten | can you recharge it? |
| 17:39.58 | maemo-user | Jiten: yes |
| 17:40.08 | Jiten | then it should be possible to flash it again |
| 17:40.09 | maemo-user | so when i have the message "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" , and when i press home button, nothing happening |
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| 17:41.08 | Jiten | I thought it needed to be turned off and then you neede to press power and home simultaneously |
| 17:41.09 | maemo-user | Jiten: okay, good news, it is in charge for now, i hope i could reflash it |
| 17:41.58 | Jiten | if it acknowledges the charger, it should work enough to allow flashing, I think. |
| 17:42.53 | Jiten | try to get the right image this time though :) |
| 17:42.59 | maemo-user | Jiten: ok, thanks for your advince, i redo a try in 15minutes |
| 17:43.06 | maemo-user | sure :) |
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| 17:43.37 | maemo-user | this RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 17:44.34 | sibbe | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/dmz-cursors/ DMZ mouse cursors :) |
| 17:44.50 | Jiten | maemo-user: I've always just used these instructions http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 17:45.16 | maemo-user | the nokia dl page firmware is so boring and ugly, and we need to rename the file, it's so annoying |
| 17:45.33 | maemo-user | Jiten: ok |
| 17:47.05 | sampbar | does anybody have any experience with connecting up a bluetooth gps unit (JRT-29) to a 770 running 2007he with maemo mapper? |
| 17:47.14 | sampbar | i cant seem to get it to connect with maemo mapper |
| 17:47.15 | maemo-user | well, it's time about to try again :) |
| 17:47.33 | sampbar | it has 3 attempts then says error connecting to gpsd or something along those lines |
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| 17:58.43 | skibur | Has anybody worked on or seen a rotating option of the screen on the Nokia Internet Tablet? |
| 17:59.59 | ptman | fbreader has rotation |
| 18:00.24 | florian_ | skibur: I tried xrandr on an early software release for the 770... |
| 18:00.32 | p| | does exists any howto to build a DEB package for a python program ? |
| 18:01.03 | florian_ | skibur: The X server has Xrandr extensions but did not work properly rotated, but that might be fixed. |
| 18:01.28 | skibur | xrandr |
| 18:01.40 | p| | i need to build a package for rdiff-backup |
| 18:01.58 | skibur | I will give it a wack at it |
| 18:04.16 | n770_11 | help: need telnet for OS2006 this link is not ok (no download) http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/busybox |
| 18:04.52 | n770_11 | where to get deb file? |
| 18:06.34 | n770_11 | pse send email to dl5raz(at)darc.de |
| 18:06.59 | n770_11 | /exit |
| 18:07.02 | n770_11 | /q |
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| 18:14.31 | ph|ber | anyone have a carwhisperer package for 810? |
| 18:14.43 | ph|ber | trying to build it.. complaining about osso1 |
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| 18:16.55 | sbz | Jiten: it was me maemo-user, on a livecd :/ , thanks again it works great now =) |
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| 18:32.04 | skibur | I want to compile apps for the N800 - OS2008. Do I need both Maemo 4.0 Chinook SDK and Scratchbox? |
| 18:40.17 | eber_ | for really simple and small things you can compile on the device with make,gcc & so on ... but for real you should probably use the SDK |
| 18:41.51 | skibur | o ok |
| 18:41.52 | skibur | cool |
| 18:42.44 | eber_ | the new 2008 (chinook) SDK is really easy to install. They provide scripts for automated scratchbox and sdk install, and they worked out of the box for me |
| 18:43.04 | skibur | are you using a debian Distro? |
| 18:43.13 | eber_ | no, gentoo |
| 18:43.13 | skibur | I'm currently on Slackware 12.0 |
| 18:43.29 | eber_ | if it works on gentoo, it will probably work on slackware too :-) |
| 18:43.34 | skibur | where did you get the source? |
| 18:44.08 | eber_ | my first distro was a slackware (in 1993, with 0.99.15 kernel) |
| 18:44.31 | skibur | I looking the page rigth now, but the use of apt-get and deb-src are in use. |
| 18:44.45 | skibur | :P |
| 18:44.49 | ph|ber | anyone using wayfinder? |
| 18:44.56 | skibur | I'm looking at the page right now |
| 18:44.57 | ph|ber | how do i install the trial version. |
| 18:45.01 | eber_ | skibur: go to maemo site, click on sdk, and read the install.txt, and try to use automated install scripts first |
| 18:45.03 | ph|ber | i cant find the download for it. |
| 18:45.09 | skibur | hum... |
| 18:45.10 | skibur | ok |
| 18:50.16 | skibur | ok eber_ |
| 18:50.26 | skibur | I'm downloading the scratchbox |
| 18:50.31 | skibur | 49m |
| 18:52.59 | eber_ | ski: if it doesn't work with the script, you can do it manually (but it's more complicated) |
| 18:53.29 | skibur | ok |
| 18:53.35 | skibur | I got all day |
| 18:53.36 | skibur | lol |
| 18:54.03 | skibur | once the tar.gz has been downloaded, do I have to do the standard compile? |
| 18:56.37 | eber_ | I think the script downloads precompiled binaries. |
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| 18:58.04 | skibur | o ok |
| 18:58.05 | skibur | cool |
| 19:03.17 | skibur | I was currently helping out with the Nintendo DS - DSLinux project. I ported some apps and games for it. It was fun. I'm thinking of porting some apps for N800. Maybe even a game like "Lights Out." Only time will tell what I will do in the future with my N800. ;) |
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| 19:06.17 | eber_ | now that my root directory is on the n810 2gb internal storage, i can install a lot of applications, so please bring in the games ;) |
| 19:07.41 | tank-man | i used wget to download something to my home dir on the n800, where is that located in the filemanager? |
| 19:08.46 | Veggen | it's not. |
| 19:09.24 | tank-man | so where can i move it so i can see it in the filemanager? |
| 19:09.32 | Veggen | actually, the logic behind the home directory usage, I'm hard pressed to see.... |
| 19:09.44 | eber_ | tank: somewhere under ~/MyDocs ? |
| 19:09.44 | Veggen | a second. |
| 19:10.12 | Veggen | For example to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents |
| 19:10.29 | Veggen | or /media/mmc1 (for the external memory card) |
| 19:10.32 | eber_ | i've created a work directory under ~/MyDocs and i do all my stuff from here and it can be seen from file manager |
| 19:10.45 | tank-man | ok, i'll try that |
| 19:10.48 | eber_ | diner time. bye :) |
| 19:14.36 | skibur | bye |
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| 19:15.53 | skibur | 99 bottles of beer in the wall, 99 bottles of beer, take 1 down, pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall... x98 |
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| 19:18.40 | skibur | which is the newest gcc? |
| 19:20.25 | skibur | on the application manger, there is two gcc |
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| 19:20.46 | skibur | gcc and gcc 3.4 Which one is the most current one? |
| 19:21.17 | skibur | 4:3.4.4-7osso2 |
| 19:21.37 | skibur | or 3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5osso8 |
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| 19:28.57 | n770-user | [5~/quit |
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| 19:37.14 | MangoFusion | hey there! :) |
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| 19:38.20 | Zero_Dogg | anyone here affiliated with the developer device program? |
| 19:38.40 | skibur | I have already installed scratchbox, but how do I start it? |
| 19:39.37 | mazzen | skibur: you can login with "/scratchbox/login" |
| 19:40.17 | skibur | I get this: No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
| 19:41.15 | skibur | checking /etc/group |
| 19:41.17 | skibur | checking /etc/groups |
| 19:41.20 | mazzen | did you re-login? means: quit the gnome session and logged in again? |
| 19:42.42 | skibur | doing that now |
| 19:42.45 | skibur | be right back |
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| 19:47.18 | skibur | hum... |
| 19:47.56 | truent | still no go? |
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| 19:48.17 | skibur | restarting |
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| 19:48.40 | Spacer | greetings |
| 19:48.57 | Spacer | are the standard apps in OS2008 open source? |
| 19:49.03 | Makawity | hi |
| 19:50.21 | skibur | o by the way, trying to compile a console app with bluetooth functions on the n800, but can't seem to find them. any pointers? |
| 19:51.13 | Makawity | anyone using maemo-sdk vmwave appliance? |
| 19:51.36 | skibur | looks like it can't find any libd |
| 19:51.58 | truent | skibur, the old bluez-utils? |
| 19:52.03 | truent | whatcha need hcitool? |
| 19:52.35 | skibur | o ok, haven't tried that |
| 19:52.55 | Makawity | (or more specific question -- I seem to have problem with my scratchbox environment missing dpkg-dev, and I can't install because no repository has perl5 and perl-modules -- which maemo repo has those?) |
| 19:52.58 | truent | os2007 had hcitool.. |
| 19:53.01 | truent | it still works |
| 19:53.08 | truent | brb |
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| 19:56.41 | skibur | great it works |
| 19:56.54 | skibur | thanks truent |
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| 20:01.45 | Spacer | are the standard apps in OS2008 open source? |
| 20:03.58 | mazzen | Spacer: depends on what "standard apps" means :) but i would say yes. |
| 20:04.15 | ptman | mazzen: no they are not |
| 20:04.24 | ptman | at least they weren't |
| 20:04.29 | ptman | for example the pdf viewer |
| 20:05.09 | ptman | it uses poppler, but at least earlier there were two binaries, one using poppler and being open source, and the gui, which was closed source |
| 20:05.10 | mazzen | huh! i thought evince is the standard pdf viewer |
| 20:05.18 | ptman | and there two comunicated using dbus |
| 20:05.30 | ptman | well at least the media player isn't open |
| 20:05.45 | mazzen | ah, thanks for the info |
| 20:05.56 | ptman | np |
| 20:06.11 | xerakko | anybody could say me which are the differences between n800 and n810? |
| 20:06.26 | xerakko | (except de price ;) |
| 20:06.34 | skibur | need 2 jet,, laater |
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| 20:06.37 | vegai | n810 has real keyboard |
| 20:06.49 | vegai | more memory, I think. Clocked up CPU |
| 20:06.52 | mazzen | ptman: hm... so is it not possible to change the crappy standard mail program through the tiny based mail client on the hacker editions for the N770? |
| 20:07.28 | ptman | xerakko: http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/n800-vs-n810-roundup.html |
| 20:07.28 | xerakko | ptman, thanks! |
| 20:07.50 | ptman | mazzen: at least when i tried it on the n800 it just installed as an additional client |
| 20:07.50 | Makawity | but n810 has less memory slots than n800 |
| 20:08.05 | ptman | so if it compiles for the he, it probably works |
| 20:08.07 | Cptnodegard | xerakko: 810 has a keyboard, and built in gps. it also has only one memory card slot, a mini SD one, and 2GB internal memory - max memory is 10GB in other words. 800 has two sdhc card slots, 32GB memory max, no physical keyboard or gps |
| 20:08.13 | Makawity | n800 has 2xSD(HC), n810 has 2G builtin flash and one microSD socket |
| 20:08.23 | mazzen | ptman: that would be pretty cool |
| 20:10.57 | mazzen | btw: does anyone knows a clever way for developering apps for the n770 and n810? is it possible to switch between the different maemo's? |
| 20:14.37 | truent | skibur, what were you needing to do? |
| 20:14.59 | Spacer | mazzen, app wise the only thing that is (slightly) different is the hildon api |
| 20:15.23 | Spacer | and you can catch that easily with a few #ifdef's |
| 20:15.52 | mazzen | k. thanks Spacer |
| 20:16.01 | Spacer | beneath all this OSxxx talk, its still just plain ol' linux ;) |
| 20:16.58 | Spacer | try this, for example |
| 20:16.59 | Spacer | http://pastebin.com/m64063290 |
| 20:18.23 | Spacer | are the standard apps in OS2008 open source? |
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| 20:18.48 | Spacer | i mean especially the pdf reader app, but can make a few improvements to config screen/options as well |
| 20:19.23 | mazzen | i thought there are a lot of differences in the whole structure, as the debs for the older maemo releases doesn't work for the current |
| 20:19.56 | Spacer | im not an expert, but that was the only change required for my test program |
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| 20:49.41 | shackan | Spacer: the default pdf reader is not, but Evince is |
| 20:50.03 | Spacer | what about the core utilities like config screen? |
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| 21:13.18 | p| | f@cking python installer :-/ |
| 21:17.35 | MangoFusion | is python any good on maemo? |
| 21:18.37 | MangoFusion | (disclaimer: i only just got a maemo tablet so i have no idea) :) |
| 21:18.59 | truls | its |
| 21:19.01 | truls | good |
| 21:20.10 | MangoFusion | that's all i need to hear :D |
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| 21:49.01 | rutledge | need to ask a stupid question about Application Manager |
| 21:49.26 | rutledge | anybody around? |
| 21:50.01 | nomis | rutledge: why do you need anybody around to just ask a question? |
| 21:50.18 | rutledge | so somebody would answer it |
| 21:50.23 | rutledge | or you have bots for that? |
| 21:50.32 | nomis | ah, you actually need an answer. |
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| 21:51.21 | rutledge | beyond pedantic I would say |
| 21:51.47 | rutledge | anyway I add the catalog entry for repository.maemo.org/extras to my 770's list of catalogs |
| 21:51.52 | rutledge | I wanted to install maemo mapper |
| 21:51.57 | rutledge | but it doesn't find it |
| 21:52.10 | rutledge | the update is successful but the list of apps is still rather short |
| 21:53.20 | nomis | mhm, does this repository actually hold a version of maemo mapper for the 770? |
| 21:53.27 | rutledge | yes |
| 21:54.00 | rutledge | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/free/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:54.05 | rutledge | it's the first entry even |
| 21:54.25 | rutledge | err http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/free/binary-armel/Packages |
| 21:54.28 | rutledge | first entry there too |
| 21:54.45 | |tbb| | anyone familar with xmodmap and keyrebinding? |
| 21:54.58 | rutledge | I forgot whether this device has mistral or scirocco but where is the "about" box so I can see that? |
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| 21:55.06 | rutledge | anyway I tried both... no difference |
| 21:55.12 | rutledge | it does not find apps from this respository |
| 21:55.16 | nomis | rutledge: I always get confused about the codenames. |
| 21:55.36 | rutledge | app manager sucks in general |
| 21:56.23 | nomis | rutledge: you entered "free" in the appropriate place of the dialog? |
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| 21:57.56 | rutledge | Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 21:58.01 | rutledge | Distribution: scirocco |
| 21:58.05 | rutledge | Components: free non-free |
| 21:58.17 | nomis | mhm. Ok, I actually have no clue then - sorry. |
| 21:59.44 | rutledge | is this explained well somewhere? |
| 21:59.54 | Spac0r | what is? |
| 22:03.53 | p| | seems 'python setup.py build' find the wrong gcc path on scratchbox (chinook) |
| 22:07.09 | mazzen | rutledge: it's not "repository" |
| 22:07.14 | mazzen | wait a second, please |
| 22:09.40 | mazzen | rutledge: please try http://repostory.maemo.org/ . i'm not sure if this fix your issue, but try it. it's better than nothing |
| 22:09.54 | rutledge | leave off extras/ in other words |
| 22:10.02 | mazzen | no |
| 22:10.29 | mazzen | change repository to repostory |
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| 22:15.53 | rutledge | no the spelling of repository is fine |
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| 22:16.40 | rutledge | now that I figured out how to ssh in again (it's been a while) I can just use apt instead of that horrid GUI |
| 22:21.33 | ustunozgur | can osso-xterm load .profile? how? |
| 22:21.39 | ustunozgur | i mean ash |
| 22:22.25 | rutledge | for me it loads .profile |
| 22:22.34 | rutledge | via ssh |
| 22:22.38 | disq | ooh somebody from bilkent |
| 22:22.42 | disq | nice |
| 22:23.52 | ustunozgur | hi. |
| 22:25.35 | ustunozgur | it loads /etc/profile for me from ssh |
| 22:25.53 | disq | did you check the ITT forums about this? |
| 22:26.31 | ustunozgur | no, not yet. got the machine yesterday :) |
| 22:26.58 | disq | which one, n800, 810, or the 770? |
| 22:27.01 | ustunozgur | n800 |
| 22:27.55 | disq | flashed OS2008 yet? |
| 22:27.57 | rutledge | yes I see, if there is a /home/user/.profile, it doesn't affect the xterm |
| 22:28.08 | rutledge | but you can type . ./.profile |
| 22:28.38 | ustunozgur | disq: no, not yet. |
| 22:28.50 | ustunozgur | should I? |
| 22:29.01 | disq | yeah it's great |
| 22:32.57 | rutledge | http://inz.fi/blog/2007/04/11/osso-xterm-and-profile/ |
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| 22:50.31 | |tbb| | how to update osso-xterm |
| 22:53.08 | |tbb| | rm_you: anything new on a2dp patch |
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| 22:57.52 | blahdeblah | wow - this N800 rocks |
| 23:00.56 | kbsingh | blahdeblah: nice |
| 23:01.10 | kbsingh | what are you doing with it ? |
| 23:01.24 | blahdeblah | l'm new to N800 and maemo but not to Linux or Free Software. Where is this a good place to ask general user questions, or development only? |
| 23:01.35 | blahdeblah | s/Where is/Is/ |
| 23:02.03 | blahdeblah | Nice bot - it understands regexps! |
| 23:02.53 | rm_you | |tbb|: not really, was gone for new years |
| 23:03.04 | blahdeblah | kbsingh: I'm trying to replace a Dell Axim X50v, and avoid buying a laptop. :-) |
| 23:03.05 | rm_you | |tbb|: but i did get mplayer to build right, so more testing today :) |
| 23:04.04 | kbsingh | blahdeblah: might work out |
| 23:04.10 | skibur | does the RSS feed reader app broken? |
| 23:04.24 | kbsingh | i have a n810 and trying to get wired ethernet going on this |
| 23:05.01 | kbsingh | skibur: absordly, its broken for me as well. just wont start up |
| 23:05.09 | kbsingh | absurdly even |
| 23:05.20 | rm_you | kbsingh: Supposedly USB ethernet works if you're connecting to a linux machine... is that what you're doing? |
| 23:05.21 | blahdeblah | skibur: anything that lists every item in a feed in the same document without breaking it up into separate messages is very broken, IMO |
| 23:05.37 | skibur | hum, mine will not update |
| 23:05.44 | blahdeblah | I hear claws mail has an RSS reader - does anyone know whether it is any good? |
| 23:06.11 | kbsingh | rm_you: not really, i guess you mean using usbserial and ppp over that to a machine ? |
| 23:06.21 | MangoFusion | blahdeblah: axim x50v? haha, i had one of those. what a nightmare |
| 23:06.30 | ustunozgur | |tbb|: I did an upgrade after adding maemo-hackers repo, and now I have profile sourcing in ash, |
| 23:06.30 | kbsingh | i need something to plug a real enet cat5 into |
| 23:06.35 | MangoFusion | my n800 by comparison is much more useful |
| 23:06.36 | MangoFusion | ;) |
| 23:06.38 | rm_you | kbsingh: like, just a usb cable like used for flashing... |
| 23:06.54 | rm_you | kbsingh: lemmie see if i can find the documents on it |
| 23:07.13 | kbsingh | rm_you: thanks but thats not what i need |
| 23:07.18 | rm_you | ah ok |
| 23:07.41 | blahdeblah | MangoFusion: It worked pretty well for me for 3 years, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth now, and a bit inflexible. I'm finding the N800 great, but i've only had it for a couple of days, so i'm still finding my feet. |
| 23:07.53 | rm_you | kbsingh: are you trying to get a usb ethernet dongle working or something? |
| 23:07.55 | kbsingh | i need to be able to plug the n810 into a real network that has no computers on it and ssh / telnet around |
| 23:08.06 | rm_you | ah |
| 23:08.11 | kbsingh | rm_you: thats the plan |
| 23:08.21 | kbsingh | not sure which one to get |
| 23:08.28 | rm_you | well, good luck... you get the USB host part working at least? |
| 23:08.51 | MangoFusion | blahdeblah: i couldn't quite find a place for mine. then the battery started going. and of course the OS always seemed to be annoyingly slow (even when i upgraded) |
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| 23:08.55 | rm_you | I'm not sure how hard that is supposed to be in os2008, but i've been planning on testing it... bought the cable like a month ago in preparation |
| 23:09.02 | MangoFusion | i have higher hopes for my n800 though |
| 23:09.03 | MangoFusion | hehe |
| 23:09.07 | blahdeblah | Me too |
| 23:09.09 | kbsingh | i suppose it starts with me getting a sandbox up and the kernel sources |
| 23:09.16 | MangoFusion | just need to set up a dev environment and hey presto |
| 23:09.29 | MangoFusion | (that's the plan, anyway) |
| 23:09.45 | kbsingh | MangoFusion: famous last words |
| 23:09.49 | MangoFusion | haha yes |
| 23:10.00 | rm_you | yeah, the sandbox setup for the n800 is amazingly simple... i just came from Zaurus development like a year ago, and that was ridiculously hard in comparison :/ |
| 23:10.48 | MangoFusion | i thought zaurus was supposed to be good |
| 23:10.52 | kbsingh | man, getting ctrl and p at the same time is hard on this thing |
| 23:10.58 | MangoFusion | or was that *used* to be good? |
| 23:11.08 | rm_you | the platform? or the development system? >_> |
| 23:11.19 | rm_you | the platform was awesome, but comparatively kinda bleh now |
| 23:11.41 | blahdeblah | The most fricking annoying thing about this N800 is that i can't select 24 hour time. And they marked the bug as "RESOLVED LATER" - how is that resolved? |
| 23:11.42 | rm_you | the dev system with bit-bake was ridiculous... it took like 5 hours to set up, on a FAST system |
| 23:11.59 | rm_you | blahdeblah: in 2008? seriously? that's... dumb |
| 23:12.01 | czr | rm_you, try installing maemo sdk when there's a new OS release |
| 23:12.29 | blahdeblah | rm_you: Yep - upgrading to 2008 was the first thing i did when i got it. |
| 23:12.38 | MangoFusion | me too |
| 23:12.55 | rm_you | i just upgraded yesterday (had the device for like four months now in os2007) |
| 23:12.57 | blahdeblah | Apparently this has been a bug since OS2005, which i'd never even heard of until i looked up the bug in bugzilla |
| 23:13.15 | rm_you | i was hesitant because everything was working excellently already... but i really wanted to work on a2dp dev in 2008 |
| 23:13.37 | rm_you | i'm only kinda regretting the flash >_> |
| 23:13.58 | rm_you | but when a2dp support gets better in 2008, things should settle down... it's actually WORSE at the moment :( |
| 23:14.03 | blahdeblah | Yeah - and i hear backup and restore isn't that great yet. |
| 23:14.18 | blahdeblah | What's a2dp, BTW? |
| 23:14.35 | rm_you | bluetooth stereo audio protocol |
| 23:15.04 | rm_you | so i can listen to music on my bluetooth wireless headphones |
| 23:15.11 | blahdeblah | cool |
| 23:15.22 | rm_you | and eventually (hopefully... but will need a lot of improvement first) watch movies :P |
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| 23:15.55 | blahdeblah | Thanks for the chat, folks. Gotta go & feed the kids some breakfast. :-) Will be seeing you all again "real soon now". :-) |
| 23:16.03 | rm_you | yeah, brb lunch :P |
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| 23:17.21 | czr | alterego, hey man, happy new year :-) |
| 23:17.30 | czr | and all of you other maemoers too :-) |
| 23:18.41 | kbsingh | rar, a new year |
| 23:18.45 | kbsingh | have a good one |
| 23:19.11 | czr | I promise to! |
| 23:20.08 | inz | czr, you mean maemoaners |
| 23:20.17 | czr | maemowieners :-) |
| 23:20.20 | czr | hey inz too |
| 23:25.20 | kbsingh | guys, in oss-xterm, how do i get a ctrl keystroke on the toolbar ? |
| 23:25.38 | kbsingh | just pressing it does not work, and neither does ^p |
| 23:27.27 | kbsingh | nor does ControlP |
| 23:28.28 | halley | It should be magically adding it to the toolbar, separate from the ones you added. |
| 23:29.16 | kbsingh | halley: how do i type in a trl p in the value box ? |
| 23:29.28 | kbsingh | also there is no plus sign on the keyboard |
| 23:29.44 | kbsingh | and Chr menu does not have it either |
| 23:30.05 | kbsingh | eeeerr |
| 23:30.11 | kbsingh | wait :) |
| 23:31.28 | |tbb| | kbsingh: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/ whatever key you need |
| 23:32.23 | kbsingh | |tbb|: ty |
| 23:33.36 | kbsingh | humm not what i need |
| 23:34.13 | kbsingh | i need to work out howto get a key combo into the xterm toolbar / shortcuts bar |
| 23:34.47 | inz | kbsingh, <ctrl>p |
| 23:34.59 | kbsingh | ah lets try that |
| 23:35.09 | inz | At least that's the way I coded it ^^ |
| 23:35.42 | kbsingh | inz works, ty |
| 23:35.54 | halley | documentation ftw |
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| 23:36.34 | kbsingh | halley: where are the docs on this ? |
| 23:36.59 | halley | My comment was to inz, or whomever should have produced docs. |
| 23:37.23 | kbsingh | aah. i thought i was overlooking something |
| 23:37.41 | inz | halley, I'm no technical writer |
| 23:37.44 | kbsingh | but yea a hint of sorts would help |
| 23:37.50 | |tbb| | is it possible to make the toolbar bigger |
| 23:38.34 | inz | |tbb|, in "my" version (i.e. the one from maemo-hackers) just write longer labels, in the "official" 2008 version, probably not |
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| 23:39.07 | kbsingh | aaaggg no, how about make it smaller ? atleast 6px on top and 6px on the bottom could be trimmed without changing font size or anything extra |
| 23:39.49 | Spac0r | are the core tools like package manager or config screen open source in OS2008? |
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| 23:39.59 | kbsingh | inz: how about some way to loose that scrollbar on the right ? |
| 23:40.04 | kbsingh | is that possible |
| 23:40.05 | halley | 'lose' |
| 23:40.24 | SXN_KommandEr | hey guys |
| 23:40.33 | kbsingh | halley: yea that, not quiteused to the kb as yet |
| 23:40.38 | Spac0r | hi, SXN_KommandEr from the beautifull city |
| 23:40.57 | halley | Spac0r, the app manager is a gui over apt-get. Neither gui is likely "open". |
| 23:41.02 | SXN_KommandEr | i just got a program working on the N770 and im happy. but is there a way of doing faster text input than on-screen kbd? |
| 23:41.16 | inz | kbsingh, I'll implement that if I ever make a new version |
| 23:41.29 | deejoe | SXN_KommandEr: you can get a bluetooth hardware keyboard |
| 23:41.34 | inz | kbsingh, but now that nokia seems to be picking up some maintainership, I might not do any more releases |
| 23:41.37 | Spac0r | halley, so basically the config screen app and sub apps aren't open sourced? |
| 23:41.39 | kbsingh | inz you the man |
| 23:41.42 | deejoe | or you can install openssh-server and then ssh in from another computer |
| 23:41.50 | SXN_KommandEr | deejoe thats not a bad idea but costs 100$ |
| 23:41.51 | kbsingh | hummm |
| 23:42.01 | deejoe | SXN_KommandEr: I got one for about half that. |
| 23:42.07 | deejoe | the folding ones cost that much |
| 23:42.20 | SXN_KommandEr | openssh-server sounds better, if i run an X application from the ssh console will it display on the N770 display? |
| 23:42.24 | deejoe | but an apple bt keyboard can be had for less. |
| 23:42.28 | halley | amazon had the folding one for US$30 a few weeks ago. |
| 23:42.35 | SXN_KommandEr | oh man 30$ is a great price |
| 23:42.43 | kbsingh | igo have a nice keyboard |
| 23:42.43 | SXN_KommandEr | apple bt kbd goes fro how much? |
| 23:43.01 | halley | SXN_KommandEr, you can run x apps from ssh and it appear on the tablet, yes. |
| 23:43.42 | |tbb| | i would like to open n810 programs over ssh on desktop pc, but i dont get it |
| 23:43.49 | kbsingh | the other thing that might make some more room on the screen is that smart typing guessing bar at the bottom |
| 23:44.10 | kbsingh | that really should be turn on/off'able |
| 23:44.14 | halley | |tbb|, are you setting DISPLAY on your ssh? |
| 23:44.30 | SXN_KommandEr | that smart typing thing is useless when typing hot code at a REPL prompt |
| 23:44.32 | |tbb| | how ? |
| 23:44.40 | halley | kbsingh, I installed scim-anthy and it got rid of that guessbar. |
| 23:45.00 | deejoe | smart typing is also not good when entering passwords in an xterm |
| 23:45.08 | kbsingh | halley: that also turns off the chr menu and for me the fn key also |
| 23:45.11 | SXN_KommandEr | lol passwords yeah |
| 23:45.46 | halley | kbsingh, well, chr works differently yes, but fn still works. Just not sticky. |
| 23:45.59 | kbsingh | humm |
| 23:46.09 | kbsingh | compleetely disabled fn for me |
| 23:46.26 | kbsingh | agh! typo's galore |
| 23:46.32 | SXN_KommandEr | basic dumb questions: how do i figure out what version im using on the n770? also if i do end up selling it, how do i wipe the thing down and reset it? |
| 23:46.46 | kbsingh | ok, sigsleep chaps |
| 23:46.54 | halley | It's not an n770 or N770, it's a 770. |
| 23:47.01 | SXN_KommandEr | ok |
| 23:47.04 | halley | |tbb|, I don't like unprovoked /msg |
| 23:47.05 | SXN_KommandEr | 770* |
| 23:47.20 | |tbb| | k |
| 23:47.37 | halley | |tbb|, if you're asking how, then you're not doing it. |
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| 23:47.52 | |tbb| | i dont know how |
| 23:47.55 | halley | |tbb|, you have to have an X11 service on the pc, for example. |
| 23:50.06 | |tbb| | k |
| 23:50.46 | SXN_KommandEr | how do i know what version im using on the 770? |
| 23:51.24 | ustunozgur | SXN_KommandEr: control panel- about product |
| 23:52.21 | SXN_KommandEr | Control Panel -> Device -> About Product thanks |
| 23:52.38 | SXN_KommandEr | OS 2006, is that good enough or is it worth upgrading a 770? |
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| 23:58.55 | rm_you | is there a maemo-hackers equivalent xterm for os2008? |
| 23:59.07 | rm_you | the default is bleh, i miss my advanced xterm from 2007 |