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| 00:18.38 | Luria | so the weirdest thing happened |
| 00:18.55 | Luria | somehow a virtual "shift" key was being held down. |
| 00:19.23 | Luria | and until i connected my apple bt kybd, and hit shift (not caps) |
| 00:19.32 | Luria | did things go back to normal. |
| 00:19.55 | Luria | now i admit that might not be the wierdest thing ever, but it was odd. |
| 00:30.07 | Luria | no explanations? |
| 00:30.31 | thecrypto | Okay, finally got scratchbox resetup but now in the chinook_x86 target I get this error |
| 00:30.34 | thecrypto | "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" |
| 00:30.41 | thecrypto | How should I fix that |
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| 00:48.19 | thecrypto | It was working fine before, it just stopped working all of a sudden |
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| 00:54.17 | staulkor | hey |
| 00:54.51 | staulkor | anybody know where i can find libhildonwidgets.so.0 |
| 00:55.06 | staulkor | Autoscan needs it to load and I cant find that supid file :P |
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| 01:12.26 | bdogg64 | anyone want to test a working build of vlc for maemo? |
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| 01:20.25 | staulkor | sure, ill test for you |
| 01:20.52 | dospod | hey |
| 01:22.37 | bdogg64 | ok, i'll send it |
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| 01:22.41 | staulkor | k |
| 01:22.51 | dospod | how is everyone |
| 01:23.03 | staulkor | doing good except for the problem im having with autoscan :P |
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| 01:24.03 | dospod | haha im having trouble configuring phonelink |
| 01:24.15 | staulkor | i cant find a stupid lib |
| 01:25.12 | dospod | i cant get gnokii to work lol |
| 01:25.23 | staulkor | hehe |
| 01:26.51 | dospod | oh well 1 of these days |
| 01:26.57 | staulkor | :P yea |
| 01:33.23 | |tbb| | rm_you: have you patched mplayer allready? |
| 01:33.30 | Luria | there's no gui for that, is there? |
| 01:33.39 | Luria | phonelink that is |
| 01:33.54 | dospod | there is a ui |
| 01:34.30 | Luria | really... then maybe it's worth the struggle |
| 01:36.03 | dospod | its gnokii thats weird |
| 01:36.58 | Luria | dependency hell? |
| 01:37.27 | dospod | kinda adduser |
| 01:37.51 | dospod | but u can install libgnokii3 |
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| 01:38.13 | bdogg64 | how can I send you the file staulkor? |
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| 01:41.35 | TucosSavior | stage.maemo.org down for anybody else? |
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| 01:57.32 | yabbas | Is there an XF86Config we can tamper with for k-drive? |
| 01:58.03 | yabbas | *s/XF86config/XFOmapConfig :) |
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| 02:07.16 | magicrobotmonkey | i cant get videos shared over upnp to play - the built in player doesnt recognize the format and mplayer doesnt do anything when i try to open one |
| 02:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | What format are the videos in? |
| 02:10.27 | magicrobotmonkey | a bunch mostly xvid and divx though |
| 02:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | bitrate? |
| 02:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | wrapper? |
| 02:12.18 | magicrobotmonkey | they're avis for the most part bitrates are all over the place ive yet to find one that works |
| 02:12.39 | magicrobotmonkey | whats ideal for the default player? |
| 02:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | 400x240 (or whatever aspect fits that, say 320x240 for 4:3) MPEG4 video at no more than 1200Kbps between 20-30fps |
| 02:13.21 | GeneralAntilles | with MP3 audio (so the DSP can be used) |
| 02:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | .avi wrapper works well |
| 02:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | That's pretty much a guarantee |
| 02:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | Could be an issue with your UPnP server, though. |
| 02:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | Try to play some of them off an SD card. |
| 02:14.11 | bdogg64 | Here is my link to the VLC deb if anyone wants to try it out -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WYGLCSFV |
| 02:14.22 | magicrobotmonkey | yea too bad it takes a minu |
| 02:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 is picky about video, but will run absolutely fantastically if you tailor media for it. |
| 02:14.39 | magicrobotmonkey | sweet just saw your post! |
| 02:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | bdogg64, is it as optimized as mplayer? :P |
| 02:15.27 | bdogg64 | maybe :P |
| 02:15.49 | yabbas | bdogg64, blimeh - and you've played vids back with it? :) |
| 02:15.56 | bdogg64 | yep |
| 02:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | Get yourself a garage account so you don't have to use mediaupload. |
| 02:16.15 | bdogg64 | i compiled it just about every flag on ffmpeg i could use |
| 02:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | er, "mega" |
| 02:16.19 | yabbas | sweet :) can't hurt to have more options available |
| 02:16.26 | GeneralAntilles | No sir. |
| 02:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | Should make connecting to VLC transcoding streams a little more straightforward. |
| 02:16.52 | bdogg64 | I just signed up on garage |
| 02:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to test the transcoding limits of the N800? :P |
| 02:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | Cool, bdogg64. |
| 02:17.13 | magicrobotmonkey | i dont see a link on that page |
| 02:20.19 | yabbas | bdogg64, without installing it - what was the playback like with vlc? |
| 02:21.24 | bdogg64 | it was ok... i tried to play the Nokia_N810.avi video that comes OS2008 i supposed and it played for a few seconds and then froze. VLC displayed a message about the cpu being too slow |
| 02:21.24 | yabbas | (as in ... I haven't installed it yet and am asking the obvious ... not "without installing it" ) |
| 02:21.49 | yabbas | And was it too slow? :) |
| 02:21.50 | bdogg64 | i played a couple other videos and they played fine |
| 02:21.54 | bdogg64 | yea |
| 02:22.14 | bdogg64 | i also played a video direct from a url and it worked fine too, over wi-fi that is |
| 02:22.31 | yabbas | nice one, so atm it needs optimization |
| 02:23.39 | yabbas | (might wanna mention that in your post btw and show some tasty video screenies) |
| 02:23.55 | bdogg64 | yea.. im trying to get some together now :-) |
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| 02:30.25 | magicrobotmonkey | whats the default passwrod to be able to sudo on the n810 |
| 02:31.04 | dospod | u need becomeroot to get root |
| 02:31.21 | yabbas | don't think there is one . . . . but don't quote me on that ;) if you install ssh you will be asked to enter a root password |
| 02:31.22 | magicrobotmonkey | k |
| 02:32.50 | Luria | yeah, thats new |
| 02:32.59 | Luria | rootme is the default password |
| 02:33.45 | Luria | i was pleasantly surprised to see openssh ask for a new password on install |
| 02:34.30 | yabbas | same here ... the simple things impress me :) |
| 02:35.02 | magicrobotmonkey | i was too until it hung in the middle of the installation |
| 02:37.52 | magicrobotmonkey | heh |
| 02:38.15 | Luria | wow. speaking of which - loook at all the notifications on the ogg-support install |
| 02:39.02 | magicrobotmonkey | whats the shell this is running? |
| 02:39.21 | dospod | ash |
| 02:39.45 | Luria | yeah, it just failed :-/ |
| 02:39.47 | dospod | never heard of it till i got this |
| 02:40.11 | Luria | ash? |
| 02:40.34 | Luria | isnt that a shell? |
| 02:40.56 | magicrobotmonkey | well i set a password in the ssh install but i still cant sudo |
| 02:41.15 | dospod | yea i could have sworn i read someone askin bout it |
| 02:41.45 | magicrobotmonkey | but i can certainly ssh to myself |
| 02:44.47 | Luria | you have to edit sudoers |
| 02:45.13 | Luria | to use sudo |
| 02:46.18 | Luria | google sudo sudoers - there are a couple of ways to do this |
| 02:51.37 | magicrobotmonkey | oh right |
| 02:52.08 | magicrobotmonkey | anyways anyone know if you can get sshfs for os2008 |
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| 03:00.47 | magicrobotmonkey | how do you find your ip? |
| 03:01.48 | dospod | ifconfig |
| 03:01.58 | dospod | if u have iputils |
| 03:02.06 | magicrobotmonkey | ah |
| 03:03.06 | Luria | ifconfig is in busybox, no? |
| 03:03.19 | dospod | im not sure |
| 03:04.30 | magicrobotmonkey | not that i see |
| 03:06.37 | Luria | yes it does |
| 03:07.00 | Luria | run busybox --help to get a list of functions |
| 03:07.07 | Luria | (yes, i just did) |
| 03:07.13 | bdogg64 | busybox ifconfig |
| 03:09.23 | magicrobotmonkey | oh |
| 03:10.24 | Luria | there should be an aliased command tho |
| 03:11.21 | Luria | it does need root privs |
| 03:11.27 | Luria | that might be your problem |
| 03:11.59 | magicrobotmonkey | mmm |
| 03:12.13 | magicrobotmonkey | whats the default pass for user |
| 03:12.22 | magicrobotmonkey | like if i was sshing in |
| 03:12.55 | Luria | iirc, you dont want to tinker with that |
| 03:13.33 | magicrobotmonkey | so should i just ssh as root? |
| 03:13.50 | Luria | yeah, user is passwd -l 'ed |
| 03:15.23 | magicrobotmonkey | gar |
| 03:17.29 | Luria | i suppose you can do it, but i vaguely recall (disclaimer!) tht it *might* break apps |
| 03:17.48 | Luria | but i do remember hearing it here from a channel reg |
| 03:19.50 | yabbas | if you add a password, your appmanager will appear to "hang" |
| 03:19.56 | yabbas | when installing stuff |
| 03:19.58 | magicrobotmonkey | eh i can dance around it |
| 03:21.07 | Luria | it's not wise |
| 03:21.22 | Luria | use ssh with keys |
| 03:25.16 | |R | http://safetravel.dot.gov/whats_new_batteries.html <- i don't get this... if i have a lithium ion installed in a device (n8x0) in carry-on, i can't use it anyway...? |
| 03:27.12 | magicrobotmonkey | yea working on getting keys set up |
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| 03:30.31 | bdogg64 | here is another link -- http://webf1.filecrunch.com/f/f548c082e05b21c32b35572d232d4c83%2F477861ef/20071231/cb42bd2ed22cab3159acf56550d34b56/vlc_0.8.6-1_armel.deb |
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| 03:45.17 | Luria | sigh, i hate using the app manager |
| 03:45.29 | alterego | It's not that pad. |
| 03:45.32 | alterego | ~bap |
| 03:45.33 | infobot | somebody said bap was null |
| 03:45.33 | Luria | dpkg is so much quicker |
| 03:45.34 | alterego | ~bad |
| 03:45.35 | infobot | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 03:45.48 | alterego | That was unexpected. |
| 03:45.58 | bdogg64 | lol.. nice |
| 03:46.04 | Luria | the spirit of _monkey lives on |
| 03:46.24 | alterego | It's like the matrix, when Neo gets infested with the agent. |
| 03:46.32 | alterego | infobot _is_ Monkey! |
| 03:47.18 | Luria | sorta |
| 03:47.27 | Luria | _monkey |
| 03:47.46 | Luria | see. no response. |
| 03:47.54 | alterego | You have to fill in the gap: _Monkey == SMonkey == Spunky Monkey. |
| 03:48.12 | Luria | besides infobot was around at the same time as monkey. |
| 03:48.18 | Luria | it just kept its mouth shut. |
| 03:48.57 | alterego | Or we couldn't hear _it's_ bathering through _Monkey's static :) |
| 03:51.17 | bdogg64 | is there any way to set connection priority? |
| 03:51.38 | Luria | like windows' wifi client? |
| 03:51.51 | Luria | where it will disconnect and hop? |
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| 03:53.01 | bdogg64 | yea... like if i have my phone connection and wifi.... if i want it to connect to the phone before the wifi |
| 03:53.06 | alterego | Why would anyone want their wifi to act like Windows wifi connection manager? That's aweful |
| 03:53.35 | bdogg64 | maybe not act like the windows one... but something to that effect |
| 03:57.17 | alterego | What does that mean? |
| 03:57.30 | alterego | Jeez, if you want it to act like Windows, install Windows(tm) |
| 03:57.57 | yabbas | bdogg64, I think it does it automagically. If you setup both accounts - it'll flick between them. |
| 03:58.35 | yabbas | Priority given to wifi connects (for obvious reasons.) |
| 03:59.16 | bdogg64 | ok |
| 03:59.17 | alterego | The problem with anything like that. Is that not everyone wants the same behaviour. So creating an easy to use connection manager is hard, when you have so many different opinions on how it should operate. |
| 03:59.40 | alterego | Sure you can add complexity with countless configuration options. But that defeats the point of a simple connection manager :) |
| 04:00.04 | yabbas | alterego, agreed. Personally I wish it'd stop asking me to connect via mobile since it costs me both arms and both legs. |
| 04:00.20 | alterego | :) |
| 04:00.24 | bdogg64 | yea. I was just wondering. I know the Nokia E61i has something that provides that |
| 04:01.40 | alterego | Personally, I'd like mine to connect to the known wifi spots. And when not in range of those, to auto connect to my mobile phone. But only in between the hours of 6-8 on a full moon in the month of January. |
| 04:01.51 | alterego | Oh, and it has to be a leap year. |
| 04:02.02 | bdogg64 | lol... ok maybe the phone was a bad example |
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| 04:05.06 | Luria | wow that was a crash |
| 04:05.19 | Luria | gnumeric didnt want to uninstall |
| 04:08.49 | Luria | apt-get -f install is having a blast :-/ |
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| 04:35.52 | bradsucks | (can't wait to get my n800) |
| 04:36.09 | Vulcanis | has anyone here tried pairing a wii controller to an n800? |
| 04:36.33 | Luria | yes, once, a while ago |
| 04:36.48 | Luria | i hear it's much better now |
| 04:37.03 | yabbas | yes ;) |
| 04:37.50 | bradsucks | is there any google calendar sync stuff on the n800/n810? |
| 04:37.57 | bradsucks | i'm looking around and not finding much |
| 04:38.08 | yabbas | I've ported wminput - it's working well as a controller. I've fixed the wiimote detection code and am currently trying to find a way to get mouse input to X. |
| 04:38.09 | Luria | erminig iirc |
| 04:38.20 | Luria | huh. |
| 04:38.27 | bradsucks | ah ha |
| 04:38.34 | Luria | well, i like mice for my fpses, but... |
| 04:38.46 | bradsucks | thanks luria |
| 04:38.51 | bradsucks | man, i can't wait to play with it |
| 04:38.53 | Luria | i'd try it with quetoo |
| 04:39.22 | yabbas | Luria, same here - but I'd like to see it "complete" :) |
| 04:39.23 | Luria | bradsucks, np |
| 04:40.21 | Luria | id look like such a dork - n800 + wiimote + apple compact bt kybd + q2 |
| 04:40.28 | Luria | gots ta have it |
| 04:40.34 | yabbas | lol |
| 04:41.08 | Luria | actually, i have to fix xmodmap with this keyboard |
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| 04:41.28 | Luria | i need a windows right click key |
| 04:41.47 | yabbas | I was mainly interested in the controller side of things. Also looking at accelerometer and ir cam functions for other projects. |
| 04:42.07 | tank-man | ps3 controller is bluetooth |
| 04:43.07 | yabbas | hidd has sixxaxis mentioned in the source. Since I don't have a PS3 controller I haven't tried it. |
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| 04:46.00 | Luria | i dont get it. aptget failed 3 times on a gnumeric install, and the appmanager seems to have done it... |
| 04:46.48 | Luria | spoke too soon |
| 04:47.22 | Luria | whatever, i have an icon, it runs. |
| 04:48.28 | Luria | dosbox is nice |
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| 04:52.39 | lech | anyone know how to modify the internet radio applet in os2008 so I can stock it with alternate channels instead of only BBC radio links? |
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| 05:01.40 | lech | anyone? |
| 05:02.12 | celesteh | anyone what? |
| 05:02.50 | lech | does anyone know how to modify the internet radio applet in os2008 so I can add alternate channels instead of only the default BBC radio links? |
| 05:03.12 | lech | they appear locked down in media player as well |
| 05:03.13 | lech | :\ |
| 05:03.17 | celesteh | sorry. i'm not on 2008 yet |
| 05:03.24 | lech | :\ |
| 05:03.33 | celesteh | i've heard all the repos are down for applications |
| 05:03.36 | celesteh | or some of them are |
| 05:03.45 | celesteh | and i was going to wait until they came back up next year |
| 05:03.48 | Luria | if you open a stream in media player, you can then save it - "add bookmark" iirc |
| 05:04.03 | Luria | then it will appear in the drop down |
| 05:04.59 | Luria | in the home screen applet |
| 05:05.42 | lech | Luria, yeah, that doesn't exactly add it to the desktop internet radio applet though |
| 05:05.59 | Luria | it should |
| 05:06.02 | lech | Luria, are you in os2008? |
| 05:06.20 | Luria | for a month and a half |
| 05:06.38 | Luria | its worked on all of them |
| 05:07.04 | lech | ok, in media player jump to Library > Internet Radio |
| 05:07.09 | shack | lech: I was able to add some radios in the default list to the "favorites" list (which is the list with the bbc etc) |
| 05:07.12 | Luria | i have galgalatz on my applet. seems to work for me, no different than os2007 |
| 05:07.21 | Luria | no |
| 05:07.30 | Luria | open the url in the browser |
| 05:07.42 | Luria | then let it open in the media player |
| 05:08.05 | Luria | then add bookmark (or some such) in the media player |
| 05:08.21 | Luria | is the quickest way |
| 05:08.45 | lech | ahh, that's a bit backward |
| 05:09.08 | Luria | well, you need the url anyway |
| 05:09.29 | lech | yeah, would be nicer if there was just a way to drag and drop it around media player |
| 05:09.36 | lech | but thanks for helping with that |
| 05:09.37 | Luria | and that way you test whether it can handle the stream |
| 05:09.44 | lech | true |
| 05:09.57 | Luria | its not the only way, iirc, but it is the most certain method |
| 05:10.46 | Luria | the straight forward way is |
| 05:10.50 | Luria | library |
| 05:10.55 | Luria | internet radio |
| 05:11.04 | lech | yeah, that's the way I just did it bypassing the browser |
| 05:11.13 | Luria | file menu->add bookmark |
| 05:11.24 | lech | just wasn't certain what exactly bookmark meant considering it's already in the library |
| 05:11.48 | Luria | but sometimes there is a hidden forward in the stream link |
| 05:11.58 | Luria | for example, |
| 05:12.10 | Luria | on Galgalatz (israeli station) |
| 05:12.17 | lech | yeah, I'm familiar with the proxying some stations use |
| 05:12.29 | lech | BassDrive along with a few others do it to load balance |
| 05:12.43 | Luria | there is a playlisted stream with a station id and then the real stream |
| 05:12.54 | lech | if one stream is overwhelmed it jumps to the next in the playlist |
| 05:12.59 | Luria | i bypass the station id/ad by using the first method |
| 05:14.00 | lech | I don't suppose you can remove certain applets that come in here by default, like "tableteer info" can you? |
| 05:15.17 | Luria | remove as uninstall? |
| 05:15.25 | lech | uninstall or hide |
| 05:15.34 | Luria | or remove from display |
| 05:15.46 | lech | from the list, not the desktop |
| 05:16.08 | Luria | ah |
| 05:16.47 | Luria | short of uninstalling the package, no idea |
| 05:16.54 | lech | hmm, alright |
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| 06:07.50 | BuckWild | umm, I saw they had a fuse port for the N770 tablets, is there any ports for the newer OSs? |
| 06:07.55 | BuckWild | OS2008 in particular? |
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| 06:09.36 | iDS | :D |
| 06:11.08 | We | :D |
| 06:11.13 | We | morning |
| 06:13.59 | We | :D |
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| 06:25.31 | We | yeah |
| 06:25.31 | We | :D |
| 06:25.41 | shack008n | damn, mplayer can't open network streams |
| 06:25.53 | We | lol |
| 06:25.56 | We | wait |
| 06:26.29 | shack008n | oh shit, We's here again |
| 06:34.05 | Vulcanis | [01:25:46] <shack008n> damn, mplayer can't open network streams -- whats streaming it |
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| 06:35.55 | shack008n | Vulcanis: i just paste the url and it won't play,for the file is too small |
| 06:36.06 | iDS | yeah |
| 06:36.49 | iDS | Which One Is Better In Your Opinion? N800 Or N810 ? |
| 06:37.02 | BuckWild | is there any way to mount a fuse share? |
| 06:37.06 | BuckWild | I'd really like to do that |
| 06:37.17 | BuckWild | not exactly sure why that hasn't been attempted since the N770 |
| 06:37.23 | Vulcanis | n800 because its cheaper and just as powerful |
| 06:37.30 | Vulcanis | like to do what, buck? |
| 06:37.40 | Vulcanis | nm |
| 06:37.43 | BuckWild | I'd like to have remote, secure access to my MP3s |
| 06:37.47 | BuckWild | from work |
| 06:38.11 | BuckWild | and it would be cool to access other files too while I'm at it |
| 06:38.18 | iDS | ? |
| 06:38.32 | iDS | Which One Is Better In Your Opinion? N800 Or N810 ? |
| 06:38.34 | shack008n | you could run an upnp server over a vnc maybe |
| 06:38.41 | BuckWild | N800, I haven't used the N810 |
| 06:38.50 | BuckWild | but the two full sized SDHC slots win me over |
| 06:39.08 | BuckWild | I do like the idea of a built in keyboard tho |
| 06:39.20 | BuckWild | shack008n, hmm |
| 06:39.33 | BuckWild | isn't vnc insecure? |
| 06:39.48 | BuckWild | I know in order to get remote access to my box I usually use X11 forwarding over SSH |
| 06:40.11 | BuckWild | you don't get access to the running X session, but who cares cuz you can run whatever you need anyway |
| 06:40.18 | shack008n | well, it's just songs... |
| 06:40.48 | BuckWild | I had an apache installation with basic authentication setup |
| 06:40.58 | BuckWild | but from my understanding that's basically no authentication |
| 06:41.15 | oil | I was not convinced about the n810 keyboard.. .but once I got it.. it's really great. |
| 06:41.18 | iDS | Well Which One Is Brightest,Loudest And High Video Quality? |
| 06:41.24 | shack008n | ehmm, did i say vnc? i meant vpn of course |
| 06:41.29 | BuckWild | oh |
| 06:41.30 | BuckWild | vpn |
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| 06:41.37 | BuckWild | hmm |
| 06:41.46 | BuckWild | yeah, I hadn't really thought of that route |
| 06:42.26 | iDS | ? |
| 06:42.29 | BuckWild | does VPN provide access to NFS shares? |
| 06:42.36 | iDS | Well Which One Is Brightest,Loudest And High Video Quality? |
| 06:42.38 | BuckWild | I haven't really messed with VPN as much |
| 06:42.45 | BuckWild | iDS, no idea, I only used the N800 |
| 06:42.53 | BuckWild | but I think it looks nice for videos *shrug* |
| 06:42.57 | BuckWild | and as far as loudest |
| 06:43.13 | BuckWild | how loud do you expect a built in speaker on a 4"x6" thing to be? |
| 06:43.20 | BuckWild | or whatever it is |
| 06:43.51 | BuckWild | I love my N800, I kinda am envious of the built in keyboard on the N810 |
| 06:43.56 | BuckWild | but |
| 06:44.05 | BuckWild | I don't know if I'd buy one of those given the SDHC slots |
| 06:44.20 | BuckWild | I'm planning on getting another 16gb card and putting 24gb of capacity in mine eventually |
| 06:44.23 | shack008n | the speakers on the 800 are fine to use it as a internet radio at home (if it's not too noisy |
| 06:44.31 | BuckWild | nowadays you can get bluetooth head units (which I'm buying) |
| 06:44.44 | BuckWild | and then stream your music directly from the N800 to your car |
| 06:44.46 | BuckWild | which will rule |
| 06:44.55 | iDS | BuckWild so u want the keyboard? |
| 06:45.06 | BuckWild | yeah, I think a pop out keyboard would be nice |
| 06:45.17 | BuckWild | but I don't think it's really worth the loss of the full size SDHC slots |
| 06:45.25 | BuckWild | so I'd probably still buy a N800 now given the choice |
| 06:45.36 | BuckWild | I'm more about capacity than anything else with mobile units |
| 06:45.44 | iDS | no i don't think |
| 06:45.59 | BuckWild | it depends on what you are going to be doing with the device |
| 06:46.16 | BuckWild | if I'm doing a lot of typing, I find I can usually just ssh in to execute commands anyway |
| 06:46.34 | BuckWild | it would be nice for pidgin to have the full keyboard |
| 06:46.46 | BuckWild | but honestly, mobile IMing is not as useful as they make it out to be |
| 06:47.01 | BuckWild | the most typing I tend to do away from a computer is to look up some crap on the internet when I'm out |
| 06:47.12 | BuckWild | and the screen keyboard is good enough for that |
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| 06:48.04 | tank-man | about the loudness, i find the n800 louder than my psp |
| 06:48.12 | iDS | How is the battery life on n800 and n810 which one is better? |
| 06:48.22 | BuckWild | no idea about that one |
| 06:49.14 | BuckWild | I think the N810 is better for music or something |
| 06:49.25 | iDS | cos i want to buy 1 of them and still don't know more :( |
| 06:49.42 | BuckWild | I find that in intense usage situations that the N800 can be a little shorter on battery life than I like |
| 06:49.46 | BuckWild | but |
| 06:49.53 | tank-man | get which ever one you can afford |
| 06:50.00 | BuckWild | when you consider that when I'm using it intensely I'm basically using it like a laptop |
| 06:50.04 | BuckWild | and most laptops have like |
| 06:50.08 | iDS | so n810 operating time for battery life is longer yes? |
| 06:50.10 | BuckWild | 2-4 hours battery life |
| 06:50.18 | BuckWild | I think it's pretty good |
| 06:50.26 | BuckWild | umm |
| 06:50.28 | BuckWild | not sure |
| 06:50.43 | BuckWild | I think the N810 has a dedicated music mode that lasts a lot longer than N800 playing music or something |
| 06:50.56 | BuckWild | I think it might have a better battery life |
| 06:52.28 | iDS | what about video? |
| 06:53.19 | iDS | umm? |
| 06:53.36 | iDS | Video Operating Time For Battery Life |
| 06:54.48 | metatron | what? |
| 06:54.57 | iDS | read up |
| 06:55.03 | metatron | no, both have the same boards |
| 06:55.07 | metatron | same dsps |
| 06:55.12 | iDS | and guys the screen display size of them is the same? |
| 06:55.16 | metatron | omap 2420 |
| 06:55.39 | iDS | ? |
| 06:56.02 | Luria | display size is the same on all ITs back to the 770 |
| 06:56.18 | iDS | :D |
| 06:56.19 | Luria | though the panel has been different each time |
| 06:56.32 | iDS | Luria |
| 06:56.45 | iDS | do u prefer n810 to n800? |
| 06:56.54 | iDS | or no |
| 06:56.59 | Luria | ah... depends on usage |
| 06:57.04 | Vulcanis | n810 because of the thumbboard |
| 06:57.10 | Luria | i am on an 810 right now |
| 06:57.13 | Luria | excuse me |
| 06:57.14 | Vulcanis | but if you use a BT KB, they are pretty much exactly the same |
| 06:57.15 | Luria | 800 |
| 06:57.34 | Luria | ive handled the 810; it's very nice |
| 06:57.41 | Luria | i may get it too |
| 06:57.48 | Luria | but im not selling the n800 |
| 06:57.55 | iDS | cos i am hearing about battery life and nb10 is more longer than n800 |
| 06:58.03 | Vulcanis | one for each pocket, Luria? |
| 06:58.04 | Luria | simply because of the storage space |
| 06:58.18 | Luria | i also have a 770, fwiw |
| 06:58.20 | Vulcanis | yeah, n810 is max 10gb, n800 is max 16, IIRC |
| 06:58.25 | Luria | no |
| 06:58.34 | Luria | max 16 per slot |
| 06:58.43 | Vulcanis | Oh, its gotten higher? |
| 06:58.45 | Vulcanis | thought it capped at 8 |
| 06:58.49 | iDS | ?????? |
| 06:58.52 | Vulcanis | so 24 and 18 |
| 06:58.53 | Luria | 32gb cards are available if you can find/pay for them |
| 06:58.53 | iDS | impossible? |
| 06:59.05 | Vulcanis | wait, no. math is bad |
| 06:59.09 | Vulcanis | 32 and 18 |
| 06:59.12 | iDS | i think both can insert 16 32 |
| 06:59.14 | Luria | no 810 = 2gb internal +8gb card |
| 06:59.17 | Luria | max |
| 06:59.24 | Vulcanis | right, thats 10. 16 is n800 |
| 06:59.29 | Vulcanis | 8 and 8 |
| 06:59.52 | Luria | n800 = 2* 16 (or 2*32gb) |
| 06:59.58 | Vulcanis | the OS is whats limiting it, so if one can run 16gb cards, then the other can, too |
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| 07:00.03 | Vulcanis | so n810 can run 16+2 |
| 07:00.09 | Luria | Vulcanis, 16gb sdhc cards are 90$ |
| 07:00.14 | Vulcanis | if they can at all |
| 07:00.18 | Vulcanis | Luria: Not the point. |
| 07:00.25 | Vulcanis | you're saying n810 can only do 8+2 |
| 07:00.29 | Luria | ~$170 buys you 32gb of space |
| 07:00.31 | iDS | CONFUSED :S |
| 07:00.45 | Luria | iDS, i know |
| 07:01.00 | iDS | i think n810 can insert 32 g too |
| 07:01.17 | Luria | no, because it doesnt have an sdhc slot |
| 07:01.31 | iDS | impossible! it was newer |
| 07:01.32 | Vulcanis | then it could not be able to run even 8gb... Ohshit, wait. |
| 07:01.34 | iDS | :S |
| 07:01.35 | Vulcanis | is it minisd? |
| 07:01.48 | Luria | essentially, n810 =10gb, n800 32gb |
| 07:01.54 | Vulcanis | or 64 |
| 07:02.11 | Luria | if you can find and afford it, yeah |
| 07:02.20 | Vulcanis | I had forgotten that it was not an sdhc thing, because I thought the 8gb cards had to be that. |
| 07:02.24 | Vulcanis | Yay tiredness |
| 07:02.46 | Luria | ids, are you still confused? |
| 07:03.07 | Luria | ill go over that again if you want. |
| 07:03.09 | iDS | yes :S |
| 07:03.30 | Luria | ok, when they built the n810 they made it smaller |
| 07:03.38 | iDS | finally which one can takes more memory space? |
| 07:03.58 | Luria | the n800 by far. |
| 07:04.19 | iDS | but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 |
| 07:04.28 | iDS | Media One slot, compatible with miniSD or microSD cards up to 32GB |
| 07:04.30 | iDS | ??? |
| 07:04.47 | Vulcanis | that is a sexy, sexy beast, though. |
| 07:04.54 | Luria | one sec, ill explain |
| 07:04.56 | iDS | heheh |
| 07:05.03 | iDS | tnx please :D |
| 07:05.11 | Vulcanis | yeah, I was not aware that it was miniSDHC |
| 07:05.12 | Luria | as i said, they wanted to make it smaller |
| 07:05.29 | iDS | and |
| 07:05.30 | Luria | so while the n800 has two sdhc slots |
| 07:05.48 | Luria | each of which can use cards up to 32gb |
| 07:06.09 | Luria | the n810 has 2gb *fixed* internal and ONE sdmini slot |
| 07:06.35 | Luria | however, while sh(hc)mini is specced to reach 32gb |
| 07:06.48 | Luria | there are no cards greater than 8gb available |
| 07:07.37 | iDS | oh |
| 07:07.42 | Luria | got it? |
| 07:07.47 | iDS | so ummm n800 is better on this way |
| 07:07.54 | iDS | for moemory card space |
| 07:07.59 | iDS | yes tnx :D |
| 07:08.00 | Luria | very much |
| 07:08.11 | iDS | and guys |
| 07:08.19 | iDS | how is the os 2008? |
| 07:08.30 | iDS | is it better or no different |
| 07:08.43 | iDS | infact between n800 and n810 |
| 07:08.53 | iDS | what is news?? |
| 07:09.57 | Vulcanis | the OS is the same for both if you update it on the n800 |
| 07:10.15 | Vulcanis | the ONLY thing that really changed, is they gave the n810 GPS and a slide out kb |
| 07:10.21 | Vulcanis | only thing other than memory |
| 07:10.36 | iDS | oh yeah :) |
| 07:10.42 | Luria | faster for cpu tasks but clearly not as mature |
| 07:10.52 | Vulcanis | Luria: The cpu is the same |
| 07:10.54 | Vulcanis | oh |
| 07:10.56 | Vulcanis | you mean the os |
| 07:11.00 | Vulcanis | I should sleep |
| 07:11.09 | iDS | yes n810 is the CPU 400 MHz TI OMAP 2420 |
| 07:11.09 | Luria | n800s ship with os 2008 now |
| 07:11.15 | Vulcanis | They do? Nice. |
| 07:11.30 | Vulcanis | the same processor is in both, ids |
| 07:11.35 | Vulcanis | atleast, speed |
| 07:11.38 | Vulcanis | don't know about model |
| 07:12.06 | Luria | omap 2420 board, as was quoted |
| 07:12.13 | iDS | the apps games...on os 2007 can work on os 2008? |
| 07:12.45 | Luria | depends, most need to be ported tho because the are so graphical |
| 07:12.47 | Vulcanis | with ALOT of work, until somoene else ports them for you |
| 07:12.58 | Vulcanis | alot of the glade stuff was broken and that has to be fixed |
| 07:13.19 | Luria | iDS, just ignore os2007 |
| 07:13.26 | Luria | if you are buying now |
| 07:13.43 | iDS | N800 is The CPU 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420 but i think they are really different |
| 07:13.58 | Luria | ids, the are the same |
| 07:14.06 | iDS | yes i am buying and money is not my problem just wanna to know which one is better for buy? |
| 07:14.14 | Luria | 2420 can be clocked from 166mhz -1ghz iirc |
| 07:14.28 | Luria | its firmware controlled |
| 07:14.31 | BuckWild | does anyone here use the x11vnc thing to control their N800 with OS2008? |
| 07:14.33 | iDS | :S |
| 07:14.43 | BuckWild | it seems I can't open the launcher |
| 07:14.44 | iDS | with all sections os cpu battery lige memory keyboard... |
| 07:15.00 | BuckWild | everything else works, but when I click on the two top side icons nothing happens |
| 07:16.33 | Luria | essentially n810 is the n800 with kybd, transflective screen, gps, less memory, smaller, and a fixed (not flippable) camera |
| 07:16.33 | Vulcanis | does anyone here have an igo bt kb? |
| 07:16.40 | Luria | yes |
| 07:16.54 | Vulcanis | did it come with the annoying "OPEN THIS THIS WAY" sticker that stuck all over the back of it? |
| 07:16.57 | Luria | i have one with me |
| 07:16.58 | astro76 | BuckWild, I've seen those buttons stop working on the actual device on occasion |
| 07:17.07 | Luria | no, cause i got it as a sierra |
| 07:17.16 | astro76 | Vulcanis, yeah, needed some rubbing alcohol for that one |
| 07:17.17 | Luria | no, thinkoutside or whatever |
| 07:17.33 | Vulcanis | Ah, ok astro. Was going to ask how to get that off, and one other thing... |
| 07:17.41 | Vulcanis | Anyone else get like, .5 second lag between characters? |
| 07:17.44 | Vulcanis | well, keypresses |
| 07:18.01 | Vulcanis | I'm pretty sure that should not happen |
| 07:18.14 | iDS | i like the n810 bag it is very stylish |
| 07:18.59 | Vulcanis | so was your mot^H^H^H^H^H^H^HThe old bag. |
| 07:19.29 | iDS | what? i don't get it |
| 07:19.40 | Vulcanis | its more of an inside joke. |
| 07:19.50 | tank-man | use some vinager to get sticker residue off |
| 07:20.02 | tank-man | and then use a credit card to scrape it off |
| 07:20.13 | Vulcanis | yeah, I was trying dry with a plastic fork |
| 07:20.20 | Vulcanis | but who the hell puts stickers like that on plastic? |
| 07:20.21 | astro76 | Vulcanis, that doesn't sound right |
| 07:20.26 | Vulcanis | esp stickers that will only be used once. |
| 07:20.54 | Vulcanis | astro76: The lag? |
| 07:21.04 | astro76 | Vulcanis, yeah, using os2008? |
| 07:21.08 | Vulcanis | didn't think so, I'll try it again tomorrow. |
| 07:21.09 | Vulcanis | yes |
| 07:21.25 | Vulcanis | its ~.5 seconds between keypress and showing up onscreen |
| 07:21.37 | Vulcanis | so much that I can have it lag sentances behind |
| 07:21.51 | astro76 | Vulcanis, one major issue some might encounter is if the keys are pressed for more than a moment, you get a bunch of repeated characters |
| 07:21.58 | Vulcanis | no |
| 07:22.00 | Vulcanis | its not that |
| 07:22.17 | astro76 | there needs to be a repeat rate setting implemented... vote for this bug ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2670 |
| 07:22.59 | Vulcanis | thats not it, though |
| 07:23.09 | Vulcanis | this is before it gets to that point, I'm sure. |
| 07:23.44 | astro76 | sounds like it |
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| 07:24.11 | astro76 | no if you press one a key it should seem instantaneous |
| 07:24.22 | Vulcanis | right, why I think its a problem with bluetooth |
| 07:24.26 | Vulcanis | and not a repeatrate thing |
| 07:24.48 | Vulcanis | or drivers |
| 07:25.30 | astro76 | Vulcanis, of course as we have the same setup I'm not sure what the problem is |
| 07:25.33 | astro76 | n800? |
| 07:25.38 | Vulcanis | n800 |
| 07:26.00 | Vulcanis | igo slim thinkoutside thing |
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| 07:33.06 | astro76 | Vulcanis, bluetooth net connection at the same time? |
| 07:33.20 | Vulcanis | no |
| 07:33.24 | Vulcanis | no other bt stuff |
| 07:33.29 | Vulcanis | just wifi for webbernets |
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| 08:03.41 | iDS | :D |
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| 08:19.54 | iDS | GUYS I Heard The Video/Audio Quality On os 2008 Is Better Than Os 2007 is it true? or no differrent ? |
| 08:21.20 | iDS | ???????????? |
| 08:24.05 | iDS | ??????? |
| 08:27.33 | rm_you | i haven't tried a different encoding scheme yet... |
| 08:27.56 | rm_you | but i know the videos i had already done played perfectly, so i can at least say the quality doesn't go down |
| 08:28.19 | rm_you | sec lemmie try playing one that was too intensive for it before |
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| 08:32.28 | rm_you | still laggy <_< |
| 08:32.31 | rm_you | so seems about the same |
| 08:33.18 | iDS | ok |
| 08:33.32 | iDS | so both are the same |
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| 08:34.55 | rm_you | yeah seems approximately the same... but that's just with one really simple test |
| 08:35.04 | rm_you | you might want to actually do some testing yourself :) |
| 08:37.30 | iDS | but friend |
| 08:37.37 | iDS | i watched them |
| 08:37.51 | iDS | the video on n800 and n810 |
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| 08:38.03 | iDS | i think n810 has better quality |
| 08:38.29 | iDS | please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20J00CIYqc |
| 08:38.46 | iDS | look the audio and video is exactly like a pc |
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| 08:39.40 | rm_you | yeah, i had the audio/video quality the same as a PC on os20076 |
| 08:39.43 | rm_you | *os2007 |
| 08:39.56 | rm_you | not sure how much better it can get |
| 08:40.39 | iDS | just look that video i think it's better the os 2008 for n810 |
| 08:41.20 | rm_you | i don't know how you can tell from a youtube video >_> |
| 08:42.07 | iDS | yes :s |
| 08:44.19 | astro76 | iDS, absolutely no difference in that regards between n800 and n810 with os2008 |
| 08:44.31 | astro76 | not sure how many ways we can tell you that |
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| 08:45.06 | iDS | :D |
| 08:45.10 | iDS | thank u |
| 08:45.14 | astro76 | or if you mean between os2008 and and os2007, then yeah |
| 08:45.17 | iDS | cos i |
| 08:45.22 | astro76 | os2008 enabled the 400 MHz on the n800 |
| 08:45.47 | iDS | look here too: malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071223141455AAhVGsX |
| 08:46.06 | iDS | http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071223141455AAhVGsX |
| 08:46.56 | iDS | What I have heard is the videos look much better once you put the OS2008(this is the latest OS released by Nokia for the Nokia N800) OS in your device. |
| 08:47.55 | astro76 | maybe, dunno I can't tell, the whole system is snappier in general |
| 08:48.06 | jga23 | anybody get fceu working on os2008? |
| 08:48.09 | astro76 | it's a moot point, the n800 now should come with os2008, if not you should put it on right away ;) |
| 08:48.15 | iDS | ummm yes |
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| 08:52.23 | iDS | who have n810 here now? |
| 08:53.52 | iDS | ? |
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| 08:54.19 | WISHMASTER | me |
| 08:55.20 | iDS | friend |
| 08:55.24 | iDS | umm |
| 08:55.53 | iDS | well |
| 08:55.58 | iDS | on ur n810 |
| 08:56.10 | iDS | there is a demo video for that |
| 08:56.24 | iDS | an advertisem for ur n810ent |
| 08:56.39 | iDS | an advertisement for ur n810 ops |
| 08:56.57 | iDS | yeah the official nokia n800 advertisement video |
| 08:59.23 | iDS | yes? availanle? |
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| 08:59.59 | astro76 | the demo video is in the os2008 image, both n800 and n810 |
| 09:00.06 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 09:01.09 | iDS | so both have this video ? yes |
| 09:01.53 | unique311 | anyone know how i can get sound in scratchbox |
| 09:02.14 | astro76 | astro76, that wasn't clear from my statement? |
| 09:02.30 | astro76 | iDS, ^ |
| 09:03.13 | WISHMASTER | repository still broken? |
| 09:03.30 | astro76 | WISHMASTER, yeah |
| 09:03.57 | WISHMASTER | so i'm not the onlyone unble to download from testing maemo extra |
| 09:04.02 | WISHMASTER | and maemo extra |
| 09:04.04 | WISHMASTER | true? |
| 09:04.09 | astro76 | true true |
| 09:04.14 | WISHMASTER | :/ |
| 09:04.24 | astro76 | Nokia is still on vacation apparently until after the 1st |
| 09:04.28 | WISHMASTER | there are non alternative link to download libmad0? |
| 09:04.51 | astro76 | you could try stage.maemo.org |
| 09:05.59 | astro76 | WISHMASTER, or this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 |
| 09:06.53 | WISHMASTER | ill try remuving the "i" |
| 09:06.54 | WISHMASTER | :P |
| 09:07.26 | astro76 | which is the same as stage. |
| 09:07.37 | unique311 | so any of yous running scratchbox? |
| 09:08.27 | dpb_ | which is the same as anything.m.o |
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| 09:09.08 | dpb_ | you could use i-want-this-to-work-damnit.maemo.org if you wanted |
| 09:09.15 | dpb_ | =) |
| 09:09.25 | WISHMASTER | astro76 seems like working :P |
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| 09:17.43 | WISHMASTER | happy new year to all see you |
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| 09:50.43 | Spacer | yeah just recevied my n810 |
| 09:51.48 | X-Fade | Spacer: Bastard ;) |
| 09:51.53 | Spacer | ^^ |
| 09:52.06 | Spacer | i must say its even better then I imagined |
| 09:52.18 | X-Fade | Spacer: Where did you order it? |
| 09:52.50 | Spacer | actually I bought it from an individual who got it as a gift, new in the box, for a significant discount |
| 09:53.53 | X-Fade | Hmm, too bad :) |
| 09:54.27 | Spacer | now its time to Hack |
| 10:00.14 | |tbb| | what is the most featured hack u will do |
| 10:01.35 | Spacer | planterium program |
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| 10:03.37 | Khertan | arg .... my host ftp is down ... again ... |
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| 10:22.21 | Zic | somebody success to install Canola 2 on OS2007/N800 ? |
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| 10:28.10 | Blafasel | Hi there. Is this the right place to ask general N810 questions (availability in europe overall, seems limited here so far) or even such basic stuff like "Does it support GSM in the first place"? The specs on the site are either hidden or marketingspeech.. |
| 10:28.24 | kulve | Blafasel: yup |
| 10:28.45 | kulve | Blafasel: just ask the question and wait hoping that somebody answers.. |
| 10:29.29 | kulve | "support gsm"? No, there's not gsm but it connects to the net using the phones gprs/3g nicely |
| 10:30.54 | Zic | other question, where can I find Ekiga for the OS2007 to test videoconf without GoogleTalk/Jingle ? |
| 10:32.13 | Blafasel | kulve: Thanks. So just the availibility stuff left. Seems like all offers here are "7-10 weeks" preorder style and smell like imports |
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| 10:33.12 | kulve | n810 availibility is odd. You can get it from some shops in some countries. In some countries nokia's webstores sells it, in some not. |
| 10:33.52 | |tbb| | is it possible to create a remote desktop connection trough an adhoc connection?(n810 - desktoppc) |
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| 10:38.22 | Blafasel | Hmm.. Stupid me. Thank. I didn't check the nokia shop directly. It does ship right away here in Germany. Although I'd prefer to get my service provider to pay for the thing.. ;) |
| 10:39.44 | Spacer | maybe a silly question, but how do I enable the extras repos on the n810? I only get a bunch of nokia-supported tools |
| 10:40.04 | |tbb| | Blafasel: got the same problem here, but the service provider say mid january they will eventually get it |
| 10:43.23 | Blafasel | |tbb|: Which provider? |
| 10:44.21 | |tbb| | imean salepoint |
| 10:44.33 | |tbb| | near stuttgart |
| 10:45.09 | Blafasel | For what? A Nokia shop or a point of sale for one of the gsm provider? |
| 10:45.22 | |tbb| | got mine from online shop allready mid december |
| 10:45.56 | iDS | anyone from UAE Dubai??????????????????????????????????????????/////// |
| 10:46.14 | tsavola | someone might confess if you add one more ? |
| 10:46.45 | Blafasel | |tbb|: I want eplus to pay 50-75%, currently still arguing ;) |
| 10:47.34 | |tbb| | ah, k dont have a clue then |
| 10:52.58 | eber_ | hi ) |
| 10:53.21 | eber_ | these nokia look awful when covered with fingerprints :) |
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| 10:57.27 | eber_ | is there a reference of all dbus signals & methods in use with IT ? |
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| 11:03.49 | Zic | does exist a solution to see the WLAN MAC Adress without remove the battery from the tablet ? |
| 11:05.14 | eber_ | ifconfig ? :) |
| 11:05.27 | Zic | omg, I don't think about it :þ |
| 11:05.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 11:09.51 | unique311 | morning |
| 11:14.39 | Spacer | Zic, you can also see it in OS info in configuration screen |
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| 11:16.21 | Zic | Spacer: yeah, but I'm just understanding that MAC Adress must be given without ":" separator :] |
| 11:16.21 | sibbe | zic, control panel -> device info or something like that |
| 11:16.48 | Zic | it was why I wanted to remove battery |
| 11:16.51 | Spacer | wow this n810 is just awesome |
| 11:16.53 | Zic | but it works, thanks :) |
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| 11:16.57 | Zic | Spacer: ^^ |
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| 11:42.46 | zs_ | Spacer: i am jealous :~) |
| 11:43.40 | Spacer | where are you from zs_ ? |
| 11:44.11 | Spacer | it should be available pretty soon in most countries |
| 11:44.36 | zs_ | from Poland and I am not able to buy it here because Nokia doesn't sell it here ;) |
| 11:44.59 | zs_ | i don't think so |
| 11:45.10 | Spacer | siema ;) |
| 11:45.24 | Spacer | well I suppose you can order one from germany or the UK? |
| 11:45.51 | zs_ | i will buy it when i go to GB |
| 11:46.49 | X-Fade | Beware of hardware keyboard mappings in different countries though ;) |
| 11:47.35 | Spacer | definately |
| 11:47.54 | zs_ | yeah i don't want french (azerty) :O |
| 11:47.55 | Spacer | i got one pretty cheap from a guy, new in the box and all, but its french localization |
| 11:48.02 | Spacer | slightly different azerty board |
| 11:48.11 | Spacer | lol |
| 11:48.48 | X-Fade | Yeah and german version will have qwertz ;) |
| 11:49.32 | Spacer | the one most obvious and annoying defect i've found is there isn't a simple way to input a '.' |
| 11:50.14 | X-Fade | Spacer: You'd have to use shift. French people don't seem to use a '.' a lot ;) |
| 11:50.45 | Spacer | maybe, but, you'd think for an *internet* appliance with a lot of browsing you'd like to be able to give in the .com and .org a lot ^^ |
| 11:51.16 | X-Fade | Spacer: Nah, in OS2008 they also messed up the underscore.. |
| 11:51.28 | Spacer | well, I'm still toying with it only got it since a few hours. In worst case scenario I'll simply map one of the other keys to '.' |
| 11:51.32 | X-Fade | There used to be a - and _ with shift key.. |
| 11:51.33 | JussiP | Maybe they use :com aond :org in France. |
| 11:51.40 | Spacer | ^^ |
| 11:52.09 | Spacer | this device really makes me wonder what they'll come up with next |
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| 11:53.05 | X-Fade | Spacer: Multitouch OpenGL ;) |
| 11:53.17 | Spacer | that would be so :o |
| 11:53.35 | Spacer | by the way can anyone here recommend me a nifty IRC client for OS2008? |
| 11:53.45 | kulve | ssh+screen+irssi |
| 11:53.59 | eber_ | spacer: xchat |
| 11:53.59 | X-Fade | kulve: Hmm that is what I use too :) |
| 11:54.04 | Spacer | for OS2008?? |
| 11:54.08 | Spacer | screen? |
| 11:54.20 | X-Fade | Spacer: Ssh to a remote host ;) That is always on.. |
| 11:54.26 | kulve | Spacer: the screen is ofc running on your irc-computer and you just use ssh to log there |
| 11:54.43 | Spacer | i know that I mean xchat-like thing running on the device |
| 11:54.58 | kulve | well, xchat then |
| 11:55.00 | astro76 | Spacer, it's not final yet http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 11:55.04 | Spacer | in case my host is offline again |
| 11:55.06 | kulve | I've never used any irc client on the device |
| 11:55.14 | X-Fade | Spacer: Even pidgin is an option.. |
| 11:55.27 | eber_ | i've run xchat on os2008 since yesterday, and it's really good |
| 11:55.33 | Spacer | astro76, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 11:55.34 | kulve | pidgin seems to be very popular, but I don't know what protocols are the most used ones |
| 11:55.52 | astro76 | pidgin is pretty horrible for IRC |
| 11:56.08 | Spacer | i noticed there is a user called 'irc' in /etc/passwd but no IRC connectivity by default, odd isnt it? |
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| 12:17.19 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 12:17.46 | sp3000 | repository is being less broken for me today again |
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| 12:20.15 | sp3000 | can you confirm or is it just being random? |
| 12:22.09 | hugolp | sp3000: yes, I just check and I just installed load-applet that was broke for me before |
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| 12:32.14 | micko_21 | Hello, I tried to install SDK for maemo 4.0 on archlinux, but did not succeed. Is there a livecd with SDK for maemo 4.0? Or does anybody use scratchbox2 on archlinux? |
| 12:34.32 | X-Fade | micko_21: There is a vmware image.. |
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| 12:34.52 | X-Fade | micko_21: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 12:35.06 | jprieur | hi, any Finnish guy around? There's an application form I need to complete and the content of a combo is written in Finnish so I need a little help to select the right thing... |
| 12:35.16 | dpb_ | why wont the SDK work on archlinux? should work.. |
| 12:35.39 | vegai | dpb_: it does |
| 12:36.09 | vegai | well, at least I was able to get it work ... and work with it for a couple of years |
| 12:36.13 | micko_21 | I get "/lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory" - don't know how to fix it/what to look for... |
| 12:36.37 | micko_21 | I would love to use native version... |
| 12:36.38 | vegai | there might've been tricks to it, though |
| 12:37.28 | X-Fade | Or you could try the SDK+ Alpha. Sb2 is a lot more transparant.. |
| 12:38.05 | X-Fade | Although it is an alpha release, people seem to be reporting great results. |
| 12:38.11 | micko_21 | I have qemu-cvs-2007-12-31, scratchbox2 1.99.0.22, but dont know how to proceed. It seems to me that there is problem with qemu environment or something like that... |
| 12:38.38 | micko_21 | I dod not try to use scratchbox v1 because it is too much debian-based. |
| 12:38.58 | micko_21 | And I don't use debian distro right now |
| 12:38.59 | tsavola | how so |
| 12:39.07 | tsavola | the tarballs don't work? |
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| 12:39.56 | micko_21 | Which tarballs you mean? I have read that v1 assumes lots of tools which are specific for debian, so I did not even try it. |
| 12:40.07 | tsavola | micko_21: it's distribution-neutral |
| 12:40.15 | micko_21 | Hoped to get v2 working... |
| 12:40.22 | tsavola | micko_21: the internals of scratchbox are derived from debian, but that doesn't matter |
| 12:40.38 | Spacer | note this comment, from a reviewer of the n810: "The primary disadvantage of the N810 running Linux is the lack of third-party software." |
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| 12:43.59 | micko_21 | So now I have sbox2 and qemu, and SDK, etc. but it is not working. Maybe there is just a small change needed to get it working. Is there some description how to test (not install) environment for meamo? |
| 12:44.14 | zs_ | Spacer: what are you using for your N810? ;) |
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| 12:44.29 | tsavola | micko_21: see the url in topic |
| 12:44.49 | tsavola | micko_21: that's all there is, afaik |
| 12:45.09 | Spacer | zs_, do you mean what I use it for, or ... ? sorry don't quite follow |
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| 12:46.35 | kulve | micko_21: maemo is debian based thus you need the debian stuff inside the SB. SB1 should works just fine on a non-debian distro, as mentioned already |
| 12:47.11 | kulve | SB2 is something quite experimental still, even though it seems to work nicely for most use cases |
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| 13:35.20 | jprieur | hi, any Finnish guy around? There's an application form I need to complete and the content of a combo is written in Finnish so I need a little help to select the right thing... |
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| 13:36.04 | kulve | o/ |
| 13:37.15 | jprieur | kulve: can you help me please? :) |
| 13:37.43 | kulve | yes |
| 13:37.48 | jprieur | thanks |
| 13:38.02 | kulve | I wouldn't have raised my hand otherwise ;) |
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| 13:40.59 | jprieur | :) |
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| 13:57.19 | sandyang028 | :P |
| 14:12.45 | magicrobotmonkey | ewc |
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| 14:17.20 | maddler | hi all |
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| 14:23.33 | Spacer | hi maddler |
| 14:25.53 | sk | morning |
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| 14:26.06 | sk | man, im having the worst trouble setting up a dev env for the n770 on debian |
| 14:27.09 | sk | I'm going to throw out my problem(s), if anyone has ideas... |
| 14:27.16 | sk | I am able to invoke Xephyr on SDK_PC only. And ontop of that, I can envoke the n770 GUI ontop of that. However, I cannot run code (sample hello world/hello world GTK) because they are compiled for SDK_ARMEL. I can build them from source though, when I switch scratchbox to SDK_ARMEL. HOWEVER, in ARMEL, I can't boot Xephry, it just fails when I attempt to: |
| 14:28.33 | eber_ | sk: maybe you can run xephir from outside scratchbox |
| 14:29.18 | sk | but how will it know I want it to be invoked for ARM and not PC? |
| 14:30.09 | sk | I can try it now .. I have debian on a VM |
| 14:30.20 | kulve | yeah, don't run xephyr inside a sb target |
| 14:30.36 | sk | really? |
| 14:30.40 | sk | damn |
| 14:30.41 | tsavola | xephyr is an xserver, and apps (for pc or arm target) connect to it by using the DISPLAY env var |
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| 14:31.01 | tsavola | run xephyr outside, and set DISPLAY correctly inside sb |
| 14:31.22 | tsavola | O_O |
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| 14:31.50 | kulve | sk: and I say this again: I hate running stuff inside the SB, there's always some issues. Instead I just compiled inside the SB, then copy to the device (usually with scp) and then run it on the device (usually from the command line while logged in with ssh) |
| 14:32.03 | tsavola | sk went away |
| 14:32.22 | tsavola | but so do i -> |
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| 14:32.56 | sk | oppz |
| 14:33.17 | kulve | sk: and I say this again: I hate running stuff inside the SB, there's always some issues. Instead I just compiled inside the SB, then copy to the device (usually with scp) and then run it on the device (usually from the command line while logged in with ssh) |
| 14:33.46 | sk | that makes sense, I'll probably move towards that route |
| 14:33.52 | sk | I just can't even get code to compile though |
| 14:33.57 | sk | that's a seperate issue |
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| 14:36.58 | sk | actually that's not totally true, I can compile c inside sb-arm, but not when including the gtk and hildon.h files |
| 14:37.09 | sk | i can see them in the FS, but the #include<> doens't see them |
| 14:37.18 | sk | its been so long since I 've done c |
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| 14:41.05 | sk | alright, so i invoked xeyphr from outside sb |
| 14:41.25 | sk | now should I log in and execute af-sb..display=:2 stuff from sb-arm? |
| 14:42.22 | eber_ | first: export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 14:42.31 | sk | yup |
| 14:42.34 | eber_ | and then run af-sb-thing |
| 14:42.36 | sk | yup |
| 14:42.46 | sk | can i post my error here or should I use pastebin? |
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| 14:43.01 | sk | i'll use pastebin |
| 14:44.41 | sk | www.pastebin.org/13617 |
| 14:47.32 | alterego | That doesn't look good. |
| 14:47.51 | eber_ | When i see things like "Inconsistency detected by ld.so", it doesn't feel good |
| 14:48.03 | sk | heh, yeah i know |
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| 14:48.13 | sk | strange thing is, if i was under sdk-pc, it works ... |
| 14:48.23 | eber_ | maybe installation problem (scratchbox and/or SDK). Maybe you can do it again from scratch ? |
| 14:48.34 | sk | ugh |
| 14:48.38 | sk | it's been a real PITA |
| 14:48.48 | kulve | zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz |
| 14:48.48 | kulve | CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y |
| 14:48.59 | sk | i think i've seen all the damn tutorials around google too |
| 14:49.44 | kulve | that VDSO thing related to some inconsistency problem |
| 14:49.45 | sk | don't have a proc/config.gz |
| 14:49.56 | kulve | but I think it was when starting SB, not running something |
| 14:50.21 | kulve | /proc/config.gz is the kernel configuration |
| 14:50.23 | eber_ | what is vdso ? |
| 14:50.35 | sk | kulve: i dont have that file |
| 14:50.47 | sk | I went through this before w/someone else, recommened I do the same thing |
| 14:50.56 | kulve | sk: try running on the device |
| 14:51.07 | sk | the n770? I'm at work, its at home |
| 14:51.11 | sk | = [ |
| 14:51.40 | kulve | eber_: sorry, I don't know the details around the VDSO thing.. It just became on issue with (older?) sb and 2.6.21 kernel |
| 14:52.15 | sk | maybe i've been carless about the vesions ... I have a current debian w/not sure version of sb and an n770 as the target.. |
| 14:52.26 | sk | is there a magic versions that works best together in this configuration. |
| 14:52.40 | alterego | Well, not magick. |
| 14:52.44 | kulve | sk: the latest SB should be just fine |
| 14:52.48 | alterego | But the versions they use in the tutorials would be good ;) |
| 14:52.53 | kulve | i.e. the latest SB components, libs, core, etc |
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| 14:55.22 | sk | im using all current stuff I believe and /or whatever was mentioned inthe tuts |
| 14:55.47 | sk | h0va.com/index.php/Sk_dev_log |
| 14:55.50 | sk | if anyone cares ... |
| 14:55.59 | sk | its pretty f'n messy though |
| 14:56.47 | sk | Can anyone mention a good tutorial? Maybe I haven't seen it? |
| 14:57.29 | kulve | I'm using the SB the maemo installer script installed for me |
| 14:58.04 | sk | I can't remember if I tried that or not, I've attempted this twice already |
| 14:58.10 | sk | once on Fedora and now on debian |
| 14:58.16 | sk | I may attempt again from scratch on debian |
| 14:58.21 | kulve | are you using SB 0.9 -series..? |
| 14:58.59 | sk | how can I query the sb version? |
| 14:59.23 | kulve | I don't actually know. I just read the url you pasted |
| 14:59.32 | sk | oh word..yeah im using that then i believe |
| 14:59.34 | kulve | install the thing with the maemo installer script. Works nicely |
| 14:59.45 | kulve | 0.9.x is ancient.. |
| 14:59.45 | sk | i swore i did that, its in my /scratchbox/ dir ... |
| 14:59.51 | sk | maybe I'll try again |
| 15:01.59 | Zic | I'm maybe blind, but where is osso-xterm in OS2008 ? |
| 15:02.13 | Zic | I can't find it by default, and in maemo's repositories |
| 15:02.27 | kulve | Zic: it's installed by default |
| 15:02.32 | kulve | under Utilities |
| 15:02.39 | kulve | I liked the old one better though |
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| 15:02.45 | X-Fade | menu->utilities -> scroll down :) |
| 15:02.46 | Zic | it's what I'm think ... but it is not :] |
| 15:02.49 | Zic | hmm |
| 15:02.52 | kulve | but now I'm off for the rest of the year |
| 15:03.17 | Zic | yes, I'm blind :] |
| 15:03.27 | sk | heh |
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| 15:16.02 | Zic | their is a hack to get the old style of menu ? |
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| 15:30.55 | shackan | kulve: so from what I'm reading, the dsp can actually process more streams in parallel? |
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| 16:13.10 | Zic | heh, since I'm on OS2008, I can't connect to my GMail account |
| 16:13.19 | Zic | can you, please, give me your configuration ? |
| 16:13.30 | Zic | It says that "Authentification failed to pop.gmail.com" |
| 16:14.28 | zoran | I think they work on port 995 |
| 16:14.39 | Zic | yes, it is |
| 16:14.47 | zoran | socat? |
| 16:14.55 | Zic | but don't want to work ... |
| 16:15.08 | zoran | I use mail via getmail |
| 16:15.20 | zoran | first browse itusing poppy |
| 16:15.45 | zoran | and there is some fuse extension like gmailfs |
| 16:16.00 | zoran | are you using browser? |
| 16:16.12 | Zic | no |
| 16:16.29 | zoran | what is the app? |
| 16:16.49 | Zic | the mailing apps by default of OS2008 |
| 16:17.11 | muu | is not working with gmail |
| 16:17.15 | zoran | point it to port 995 |
| 16:17.26 | muu | you must use 'modest' or claws-mail |
| 16:17.29 | zoran | ssl? |
| 16:17.35 | Zic | muu: he ? but it works in OS2007 ! |
| 16:17.39 | xan | Zic, is date/time correctly configured? |
| 16:17.57 | Zic | zoran: yes, all it's clean, port 995, and TLS |
| 16:18.08 | Zic | (not SSL, it's timeout) |
| 16:18.12 | muu | oops |
| 16:18.14 | Zic | xan: yes ... |
| 16:18.17 | muu | i mean imap :) |
| 16:18.22 | Zic | :) |
| 16:18.28 | zoran | hm, why not just take getmail and fetch it? |
| 16:19.00 | Zic | zoran: because I prefer a client for mailing ... |
| 16:19.21 | zoran | :) |
| 16:19.40 | Zic | and, it's more integrated now in OS2008, apparently |
| 16:19.45 | Zic | (blue flashing on new email ...) |
| 16:21.22 | zoran | smoke and all other signals? |
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| 16:41.04 | eber_ | zoran: can you explain how you use poppy ? |
| 16:49.12 | Cymor | Is there anything you can do to fix a 770 screen once it goes white then grey? The device seems to be working, but the display is just a bunch of grey bars after it boots. |
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| 17:13.29 | sampbar | hello all, could you help me with a problem i am recieving while trying to upgrade my nokia 770 from 2006 to 2007he? |
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| 17:22.01 | sampbar | i get this error: "Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown" when trying to flash 2007he on to the 770 |
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| 17:45.12 | cancerbero_ | someone speak spanish?? |
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| 17:49.32 | hugolp | cancerbero_: a bit |
| 17:49.37 | hugolp | un poco chaval |
| 17:49.37 | christopher | hello, i have a question concerning map (navicore) on os2008. it always crashes with error " attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0" |
| 17:49.53 | christopher | any ideas, i didnt find much on the net |
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| 17:53.56 | cancerbero_ | i have a question: why n800 enduring 2g (for slot) and not more??? |
| 17:55.15 | Jaffa | 2G? |
| 17:55.22 | christopher | as far as i know it can handle 4g per slot |
| 17:55.47 | cancerbero_ | 2gb |
| 17:55.59 | rm_you | it can do 16g per slot |
| 17:56.16 | rm_you | it supports SDHC |
| 17:56.36 | Jaffa | 8GB SDHC is officially sujpported IIRC, and 16GB works too, apparently. |
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| 17:56.47 | rm_you | oh hey, Jaffa :P |
| 17:56.58 | BuckWild | what is the best way to share files between windows and the N800 wirelessly? |
| 17:56.59 | Jaffa | Should do 32GB per slot when such cards are available. |
| 17:57.20 | cancerbero_ | The manual appears to 2 gb |
| 17:57.21 | rm_you | BuckWild: I use WinSCP |
| 17:57.29 | rm_you | cancerbero_: the manual is for os2007 |
| 17:57.35 | cancerbero_ | oooo |
| 17:57.37 | Jaffa | rm_you: just got back from a pre-0000 dinner/lunch |
| 17:57.55 | rm_you | :P |
| 17:58.07 | cancerbero_ | jajajja |
| 17:58.07 | BuckWild | rm_you, ah, so you use winSCP to connect SSH to the N800 and transfer that way? |
| 17:58.14 | rm_you | BuckWild: yes |
| 17:58.19 | BuckWild | yeah that'll work |
| 17:58.26 | rm_you | it works great |
| 17:58.40 | BuckWild | right now I have a headless windows box performing downloads and I want a way to transfer them off without having to connect cables |
| 17:58.41 | cancerbero_ | with os2008 enduring to 32 gb??? |
| 17:58.44 | BuckWild | I think that should work nicely |
| 17:58.50 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:58.56 | rm_you | well... if the windows box is headless |
| 17:59.01 | BuckWild | VNC =P |
| 17:59.01 | rm_you | that could be more difficult? |
| 17:59.03 | rm_you | ah |
| 17:59.05 | rm_you | ok :P |
| 17:59.09 | rm_you | then yeah |
| 17:59.14 | BuckWild | it's great |
| 17:59.17 | rm_you | headless WINDOWS!? |
| 17:59.18 | rm_you | random |
| 17:59.21 | BuckWild | I set the resolution to 640x480 |
| 17:59.30 | BuckWild | so the whole thing fits on the N800's screen |
| 17:59.41 | rm_you | i still can't comprehend windows servers.... they're like... useless |
| 17:59.49 | rm_you | can't even ssh into them >_> |
| 17:59.50 | BuckWild | this is just for downloading |
| 17:59.54 | BuckWild | utorrent, etc. |
| 18:00.00 | rm_you | i run utorrent in wine ;P |
| 18:00.03 | BuckWild | I mean, I thought about installing linux |
| 18:00.15 | rm_you | also, rtorrent works excellently headless |
| 18:00.17 | BuckWild | but I might eventually end up putting media center on the computer and hooking it up to my TV |
| 18:00.28 | rm_you | have it set up to auto open and DL any torrent files in a samba shared directory |
| 18:00.29 | BuckWild | or mythTV |
| 18:00.30 | BuckWild | hehe |
| 18:00.35 | rm_you | so i shove torrents and it DLs them |
| 18:00.42 | BuckWild | oh |
| 18:00.42 | BuckWild | wow |
| 18:00.44 | rm_you | yeah, mythTV wins :P |
| 18:00.47 | BuckWild | yeah, that's a nice setup |
| 18:00.58 | BuckWild | what's funnier is I actually run linux on my main two computers |
| 18:01.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:01.12 | BuckWild | I'm running linux right now |
| 18:01.12 | BuckWild | haha |
| 18:01.39 | BuckWild | I have a windows partition for games, but I hardly ever even boot into it |
| 18:02.06 | rm_you | I have four computers in my dorm room... a mythTV box, a file server running old ubuntu (i'm slacking on updating... breezy >_>), a dualboot box for gaming and work, and my n800 :P |
| 18:02.31 | rm_you | oh, err... 5, cause i have a tabletPC too, also for work |
| 18:02.58 | rm_you | but that one doesn't run linux at all, so it doesn't really count ^_^ |
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| 18:03.33 | rm_you | do you have a build environment set up for chinook? |
| 18:03.46 | rm_you | i need someone else to try to compile armel mplayer |
| 18:03.59 | rm_you | and see if it gives the same ridiculous errors i'm getting |
| 18:04.29 | rm_you | i have a theory about fixing a2dp+alsa playback, but i can't get it to build, with or without my patch <_ |
| 18:04.30 | rm_you | <_< |
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| 18:08.14 | rm_you | heh |
| 18:08.47 | rm_you | portal wins. |
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| 18:09.54 | Jaffa | Finished the main non-gbonus levels yesterday. I want more, it's *soooo* cool. |
| 18:10.29 | Jaffa | I'm not much of a gamer but that, and Burnout 3 were killer games for me. |
| 18:11.37 | ssvb | rm_you: you can run 'make deb-n8x0' to compile mplayer |
| 18:12.00 | rm_you | ah, not the normal dpkg-build thing? |
| 18:13.07 | rm_you | Portal was pretty much the best game i've played ever,. |
| 18:13.34 | truent | lol you obviously never played air-bud on nintendo. |
| 18:15.08 | e-squizo | folks... anybody knows whether there are ALSA bindings for python on maemo? |
| 18:15.17 | rm_you | ssvb: wahg... this is trying to dpkg-source it again and unpack a clean copy... but i am trying to apply my own patch |
| 18:16.45 | ssvb | rm_you: it is normal dpkg-build, except that you need to set target device via environment variable 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage ...' |
| 18:16.50 | rm_you | also, that fails as well |
| 18:17.57 | ssvb | rm_you: did you install libmad and theora develoment packages? |
| 18:18.13 | rm_you | i did apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 18:18.15 | rm_you | and i believe it did, yes |
| 18:18.41 | rm_you | the errors it is throwing are about assembly instructions not being available |
| 18:19.45 | ssvb | rm_you: such errors show up if mplayer is built with incorrect -mcpu option |
| 18:19.52 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:19.59 | rm_you | how do i set that correctly? |
| 18:20.05 | ssvb | rm_you: did you really run 'make deb-n8x0' to compile it? |
| 18:20.13 | rm_you | yes |
| 18:20.20 | rm_you | just now |
| 18:20.23 | rm_you | not the first time |
| 18:20.27 | rm_you | but they both failed |
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| 18:21.52 | rm_you | -mcpu=arm1136jf-s |
| 18:21.55 | rm_you | is that right? |
| 18:22.04 | ssvb | yes |
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| 18:22.53 | rm_you | well, it's working the third way |
| 18:23.05 | rm_you | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
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| 18:25.40 | BuckWild | rm_you, can't you get a VM with the environment already intact? |
| 18:25.47 | BuckWild | I wish they'd release that for virtualbox too |
| 18:25.49 | BuckWild | but whatevs |
| 18:25.55 | BuckWild | I think the player is free |
| 18:30.16 | Jaffa | VMware Server and Player are both free-to-use |
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| 18:33.31 | BuckWild | yeah |
| 18:33.46 | BuckWild | workstation isn't tho, which is the only thing I would need to use really |
| 18:33.55 | BuckWild | virtualbox is free tho, so whatever |
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| 18:46.04 | meierei | ,/xchat_2.6.4-2_armel.deb has no fullscreen ? |
| 18:51.35 | Mousey | you got it working!? |
| 18:51.49 | deejoe | so, hmmm. |
| 18:51.51 | Mousey | wait, nm. i haven't tried hard enuff yet. sry |
| 18:52.13 | deejoe | I seem not to have saved the password I entered when I installed openssh-server on my n800 under OS2008 |
| 18:52.40 | deejoe | is there any reasonable way to get root now, short of reflashing? |
| 18:54.14 | meierei | sudo gainroot from xterm |
| 18:55.46 | deejoe | is there a default password for the 'user' account? |
| 18:56.48 | meierei | frgot |
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| 19:00.59 | meierei | deejoe, can u use xterm? |
| 19:01.30 | deejoe | yes |
| 19:01.51 | meierei | try sudo gainroot |
| 19:02.05 | deejoe | I did. it prompts for a password. |
| 19:02.10 | meierei | ok |
| 19:02.17 | deejoe | no, wait. |
| 19:02.18 | meierei | mine doesnt |
| 19:02.24 | deejoe | hold on |
| 19:02.51 | deejoe | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? |
| 19:03.00 | deejoe | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device |
| 19:03.40 | deejoe | that's the error I get. |
| 19:03.44 | meierei | hmm |
| 19:04.00 | deejoe | googling suggests "flasher-3.0 –enable-rd-mode –reboot" |
| 19:04.12 | deejoe | I've got flasher on my laptop at home, I *might* try that. |
| 19:04.17 | deejoe | though I'm leary of RD mode. |
| 19:04.23 | meierei | that can worrk |
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| 19:04.24 | deejoe | I might just flash the whole thing. |
| 19:04.29 | deejoe | again. |
| 19:05.01 | meierei | duno gainroot from xterm google becomeroot |
| 19:05.13 | meierei | !becomeroot |
| 19:05.25 | meierei | stupid bot |
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| 19:07.45 | oil_ | happy new year 2551 to everyone. let the new year be good for the maemo development. let there be a lot of new features, new releases and free internet connection. |
| 19:08.52 | oil_ | stability of the platform, bug fixes for existing problems and maps of thailand. |
| 19:10.30 | meierei | frohes neues |
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| 19:12.00 | deejoe | meierei: success! thank you. |
| 19:13.42 | meierei | yw :> |
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| 19:17.17 | sampbar | just incase anybody saw my post earlier - ive managed to sort it |
| 19:17.28 | sampbar | am now running 2007he on 770 :D |
| 19:17.58 | meierei | on mmc? |
| 19:18.49 | sampbar | nope flashed straight onto the 770 i believe |
| 19:19.18 | sampbar | ended up using the mac gui flasher utility in the end instead of ubuntu |
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| 19:19.50 | sampbar | is there a list of good repo's some where? |
| 19:19.50 | Jaffa | cool, glad it worked for you ;-) |
| 19:20.08 | Jaffa | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 19:20.26 | sampbar | ah... Thanks! thats the one i found earlier but lost :D |
| 19:20.31 | mrgusernewbie | Tets |
| 19:21.28 | sampbar | Jaffa, you could pick up an old g3 on ebay for £40 or so? or try freecycle |
| 19:21.44 | sampbar | seemed to work ok for me though |
| 19:22.41 | Jaffa | Yeah, but I did it with Platypus and wanted to learn ObjectiveC. Sold my Mac mini, tho |
| 19:22.55 | sampbar | ah ok |
| 19:24.04 | Jaffa | still, keeping it online and it being useful contributes towards acceptance in device programmes, so it's always good to hear it's proved useful :-) |
| 19:24.25 | sampbar | just gotta install flash, canola and pidgin now :) |
| 19:24.46 | sampbar | Jaffa, yeah def. useful trying to use the linux flasher kept giving me errors |
| 19:26.34 | sampbar | and cant forget to install maemo mapper |
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| 19:34.39 | p| | hello |
| 19:34.53 | p| | does exists rdiff-backup for os2008 ? |
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| 19:35.32 | Mousey | hi, is there an app somewhere that'll rotate my wallpapers? |
| 19:37.51 | macluvjay | kulve: you suggested that I disable life guard |
| 19:38.02 | macluvjay | with the linux flasher |
| 19:38.24 | macluvjay | i don't see any swith for that |
| 19:38.30 | macluvjay | switch* |
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| 20:15.36 | blithe | Is there an irc client for OS2008 yet? |
| 20:15.46 | blithe | I can't seem to find one on maemo.org |
| 20:18.11 | blithe | Or if there's a repo that has xchat for it... |
| 20:18.14 | astro76 | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 20:20.06 | blithe | Thanks astro76. |
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| 20:28.51 | Mousey | ty |
| 20:32.08 | Mousey | what awesomeness |
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| 20:38.19 | hahlo | what program i need os2007 to get dpkg-reconfigure working? |
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| 20:52.50 | evangineer | hey there, anybody on here played with Garnet VM yet? |
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| 20:54.01 | evangineer | I'm wondering if anyone has managed to get Garnet VM running on an Internet Tablet to sync with a linux desktop using J-Pilot? |
| 20:56.17 | GAN800 | repository.maemo.org seem to be working again for anybody else? |
| 21:02.25 | tank-man | evangineer, are you using os2008? garnet vm doesnt work for me |
| 21:06.28 | evangineer | I don't have a tablet yet, but I might get one if garnet vm does the stuff I need it to do. tank-man, you probably need to install the binary for the N810 as that will have been built for os2008. |
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| 21:12.13 | tank-man | i might try that |
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| 21:30.28 | eido | hey folks, asked this a while ago, but i figure the N810 noise is burbling pretty strong. Has anyone come up with a Bluetooth handsfree profile for the N810 - meaning the nokia functions as a headset to a bluetooth phone? My ideas is to use the N810 as my primary audio device, listening to music, and using it to answer the phone if a call comes in. |
| 21:31.46 | GAN800 | Not that I know of. |
| 21:31.47 | Mousey | that's cool |
| 21:32.32 | milhouse | isn't it easier to pick up the phone? |
| 21:33.09 | Mousey | it would have to support HSP |
| 21:33.11 | Mousey | i guess |
| 21:33.17 | Mousey | or HFP, not really sure |
| 21:35.00 | Mousey | ok, [after reading more] the least you'd want is HSP, but you ought to shoot for HFP cuz then u could dial too |
| 21:35.34 | Mousey | wow that would be a cool app |
| 21:38.08 | Mousey | isn't bluetooth a stack? since the hw already has it, someone could theoretically just write it, right? |
| 21:38.30 | sampbar | wooh! have installed skype and is working on my 770 |
| 21:41.21 | eido | yah, everytime i bring this up, someone goes "that would be cool" but doesn't exist. I may have to get a-codin :) |
| 21:43.16 | Mousey | are you kidding? an HFP app? with a little dialpad and everything? it'd truely be a unlocked/any network cellphone then. ;) |
| 21:44.00 | eido | well, only if you had a network connection to work from :) |
| 21:44.11 | eido | that's the idea of having a dopey bt enabled cell phone stashed in your backpack. |
| 21:45.31 | Mousey | well by "any network" i meant any -cell- network, but yah |
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| 22:44.15 | unique311 | Hows the future treating those who celebrated new years already? |
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| 23:02.34 | kulve | Day changed to 01 Jan 2008 |
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| 23:03.21 | unique311 | cool |
| 23:03.33 | unique311 | kulve, hows the future? |
| 23:03.36 | unique311 | any changes |
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| 23:05.12 | Luria | hey, are there any .doc viewers on os 2008? |
| 23:06.02 | Luria | kinda need one - in a bit of a pinch |
| 23:06.23 | astro76 | not sure if abiword is available yet |
| 23:07.02 | Luria | hmm last i checked, no |
| 23:07.15 | Luria | damn |
| 23:07.21 | astro76 | use google docs |
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