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| 00:59.13 | tank-man | anyone here using the garnet vm (palm os) with os2008? |
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| 01:03.57 | sethn | Is the N800 substantially more responsive? |
| 01:05.28 | glass_ | than 770? |
| 01:05.45 | EY | Than what? |
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| 01:09.03 | sethn | Sorry, yes |
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| 02:58.56 | astro76 | bluetooth keyboard owners, vote for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2670 |
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| 03:12.43 | dospod | hey |
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| 03:15.03 | astro76 | hi dospod |
| 03:15.22 | dospod | wats up everybody |
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| 03:59.11 | jga | anybody able to connect their tablet to a digital camera? |
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| 04:34.34 | dospod | sup |
| 04:35.47 | astro76 | din |
| 04:35.55 | astro76 | :O |
| 04:36.11 | dospod | :o |
| 04:36.16 | astro76 | do you have a bluetooth keyboard dospod ? |
| 04:37.40 | dospod | i wish, i just use the onscreen with my thumbs |
| 04:40.30 | astro76 | this one is still only $30 http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1198989429&sr=8-1 |
| 04:40.58 | dospod | im broke |
| 04:46.58 | dospod | im broke |
| 04:47.05 | dospod | plus i like the onscreen keyboard |
| 04:53.37 | astro76 | it is nice, but frustrating for any extended typing, especially when you can type fast ;) |
| 04:55.32 | dospod | i can type decent on here |
| 04:58.50 | tank-man | astro76, you dont like that $30 keyboard? |
| 04:59.09 | astro76 | tank-man, I have it and love it |
| 04:59.32 | astro76 | oh I meant the on screen keyboard |
| 04:59.41 | tank-man | no, that amazon deal |
| 04:59.59 | astro76 | yeah I highly recommend that one |
| 05:00.06 | astro76 | great deal |
| 05:00.12 | tank-man | i cant get that in canada so i had to get the apple bluetooth keyboard |
| 05:00.56 | tank-man | i was hoping that stowaway kb sucked :) |
| 05:01.01 | joshin | astro76: That keyboard is coming up at $60 + shipping |
| 05:01.19 | astro76 | tank-man, you should vote for this bug ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2670 |
| 05:01.33 | astro76 | joshin, hrm not here |
| 05:02.12 | astro76 | though it does say only 5 left in stock, and the cheapest affiliate seller is 59.95 |
| 05:02.17 | astro76 | guess it just ran out again |
| 05:03.01 | joshin | Seems that way. |
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| 05:03.21 | astro76 | that's at least the 3rd time it's run out since they had the deal, keep checking |
| 05:03.42 | astro76 | they've had it since the day after thanksgiving |
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| 07:37.16 | jga | is there any way to remove python2.3 from the scratchbox? |
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| 07:41.05 | zoran | jga, can you unistall it? |
| 07:41.10 | zoran | or manualy remove? |
| 07:41.31 | jga | I can't apt-get remove it |
| 07:41.44 | jga | I have python 2.5 installed |
| 07:41.47 | zoran | how did you install it? |
| 07:41.52 | jga | but when I type python, it loads 2.3 |
| 07:41.52 | zoran | ah, see |
| 07:42.01 | jga | scratchbox comes with 2.3 |
| 07:42.13 | zoran | the link is from environ variable |
| 07:42.30 | zoran | something like $PYTHON |
| 07:42.37 | zoran | or $PYTHONDIR |
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| 07:42.42 | We | hi guys |
| 07:42.44 | We | :D |
| 07:42.49 | We | good morning |
| 07:43.06 | We | is anyone from UAE there? |
| 07:45.23 | We | yeah? |
| 07:45.52 | We | i have some questions |
| 07:46.39 | unique311 | uae |
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| 07:46.46 | Luria | hi all |
| 07:46.53 | unique311 | united arab emarate |
| 07:46.54 | unique311 | s |
| 07:47.12 | unique311 | dubai ali comes to mind |
| 07:47.17 | unique311 | bahrain also |
| 07:47.18 | zoran | what are the questions? |
| 07:47.34 | unique311 | sandbox |
| 07:47.42 | We | are u from there? |
| 07:47.45 | We | UAE? |
| 07:47.59 | unique311 | nah |
| 07:48.07 | unique311 | i was on a aircraft carrier |
| 07:48.17 | We | where are u from? |
| 07:48.28 | unique311 | 2 of the ports where bahrain and dubhai |
| 07:48.37 | unique311 | america |
| 07:48.45 | We | oh |
| 07:48.49 | We | ok well |
| 07:49.02 | zoran | those were the questions? |
| 07:49.14 | unique311 | zoran, lol |
| 07:49.21 | unique311 | i don't think so |
| 07:49.21 | We | I Will Go To Dubai City 2 Months Later And Wanna To Buy New Nokia N810 |
| 07:49.37 | We | 01 First Is It Available There? And Did U See It On Computer Or Mobile Stores? (Or When Is The Release Date There?) (What About N800?) |
| 07:50.01 | unique311 | i think you can order it online |
| 07:50.16 | unique311 | not sure its in stores yet. |
| 07:50.26 | zoran | Dubai is my sure bet |
| 07:50.29 | unique311 | but my current events are not that accurate |
| 07:50.56 | We | Well They Are Not Phone And I Can't Do Phone Calls Yes? Or Possible ? |
| 07:50.59 | unique311 | online is my best bet |
| 07:51.06 | zoran | nope |
| 07:51.11 | unique311 | its possible |
| 07:51.18 | We | possible how? |
| 07:51.23 | unique311 | i was able to make phone calls |
| 07:51.38 | zoran | We, find stores in Dubai on the net and go one by one |
| 07:51.43 | zoran | skype |
| 07:51.52 | unique311 | gizmo, skype, and some other voip services |
| 07:51.58 | Luria | unique311, which carrier out of curiosity? |
| 07:52.09 | We | zoran which stores? please type the links |
| 07:52.10 | unique311 | not cellular |
| 07:52.15 | unique311 | luria |
| 07:52.22 | zoran | We, it is your pleasere |
| 07:52.42 | unique311 | voip |
| 07:52.42 | We | How Can I Do Phone Calls With that? with Simcard? |
| 07:52.42 | unique311 | no |
| 07:52.44 | zoran | no card |
| 07:52.46 | unique311 | not cellular |
| 07:52.51 | unique311 | voip |
| 07:52.52 | zoran | net call |
| 07:52.55 | unique311 | yes |
| 07:52.57 | zoran | lol |
| 07:52.59 | We | oh |
| 07:53.07 | zoran | We, read some review |
| 07:53.13 | We | How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That? |
| 07:53.19 | unique311 | but if you know the ropes, you can take advantage of it |
| 07:53.26 | zoran | no |
| 07:53.30 | zoran | not a phone |
| 07:53.31 | unique311 | i live in NYC |
| 07:53.45 | We | but (11:24:24) (We) How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That? ????? |
| 07:53.55 | unique311 | so i basically mapped out where i could get free wifi.. |
| 07:54.06 | zoran | b or g? |
| 07:54.15 | We | please reply :( |
| 07:54.18 | unique311 | We, no sim card |
| 07:54.25 | unique311 | voip |
| 07:54.31 | unique311 | voice over ip |
| 07:54.46 | zoran | We, what in fact would you like to do? |
| 07:54.53 | unique311 | which means, the tablet needs to be connected to a wireless connection. |
| 07:54.59 | We | as It A Place For Insert That?\? cos i heard somethings about it!? |
| 07:55.10 | zoran | no, you didn't |
| 07:55.18 | We | look http://www.my-symbian.com/other/review_n800.php |
| 07:55.24 | zoran | no, you didn't |
| 07:55.38 | We | this line: |
| 07:55.39 | We | the N800 is not a phone. It does not have a SIM card slot and you can't make phone calls. And it's OK for a device that is called an "Internet Tablet". What I miss, however, is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only, like in PCMCIA / ExpressCard data cards for notebooks |
| 07:55.59 | zoran | he misses it |
| 07:56.03 | We | is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only? ummmm i confused please help me |
| 07:56.11 | unique311 | not sim We |
| 07:56.12 | tank-man | we, no |
| 07:56.19 | unique311 | voice over ip |
| 07:56.25 | zoran | buy nokia e51 |
| 07:56.27 | unique311 | phone calls |
| 07:56.29 | zoran | or 6233 |
| 07:56.49 | unique311 | lol |
| 07:56.56 | zoran | or have all your friends on a hearing distance |
| 07:56.58 | We | so i can't use simcard only for internet? |
| 07:57.04 | zoran | no |
| 07:57.05 | unique311 | not sure you can even catagorize it as a hack |
| 07:57.16 | We | and has it tv out? |
| 07:57.29 | unique311 | but, basically if you have an unlimitted skype phone out account. |
| 07:57.42 | unique311 | you can put that to use on the n800 |
| 07:57.47 | unique311 | and make free phone calls |
| 07:57.51 | zoran | We, you can only put it on a tv |
| 07:58.12 | We | zoran lol so it hasn't any tv out? |
| 07:58.13 | zoran | and take a look of tv over net |
| 07:58.20 | zoran | We, no |
| 07:58.25 | zoran | as I know |
| 07:58.26 | unique311 | not sure about the tv out |
| 07:58.33 | zoran | I'm sure |
| 07:58.33 | unique311 | no |
| 07:58.43 | unique311 | it doesn;t |
| 07:58.46 | We | and |
| 07:59.02 | unique311 | We its linux |
| 07:59.03 | zoran | tv could come with it if you pay a prise |
| 07:59.09 | unique311 | make it happen |
| 07:59.19 | unique311 | or if you a good dev |
| 07:59.20 | We | well what is the highest memory card for n810 now? 32 gb? |
| 07:59.28 | unique311 | 16GB |
| 07:59.38 | zoran | heh |
| 07:59.42 | unique311 | 32 is a myth |
| 07:59.45 | unique311 | not out yet |
| 07:59.48 | unique311 | i don't thinl |
| 07:59.50 | unique311 | k |
| 07:59.59 | zoran | n810 is a gorilla in the mist |
| 08:00.04 | unique311 | but pretty sure it will be supported |
| 08:00.07 | zoran | none see it |
| 08:00.20 | unique311 | zoran, n800 also |
| 08:00.27 | zoran | I have 770 |
| 08:00.30 | Luria | actually, the wifi pois for nyc in the map app are pretty good |
| 08:00.30 | Luria | (not lagged, just no longer afk) |
| 08:00.31 | We | oh 16 gb and is it available only on USA or UAE too? |
| 08:00.33 | unique311 | basically a n810 with hardway keyboard |
| 08:00.35 | zoran | looking for eee, in fact |
| 08:00.53 | unique311 | Luria, you from nyc? |
| 08:00.58 | Luria | im waiting for next years eees |
| 08:01.00 | tank-man | i can only find 8gb sdhc now in canada |
| 08:01.02 | Luria | yup |
| 08:01.09 | Luria | on macdougal right now |
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| 08:01.14 | unique311 | i removed the map i downlaoded for nyc |
| 08:01.15 | Luria | in a cafe |
| 08:01.19 | zoran | free wifi of b or g? |
| 08:01.27 | unique311 | wasn't sure i would put it to use |
| 08:01.45 | unique311 | Luria, i'm also from Nyc |
| 08:01.47 | Luria | wayfinder has both pay and free, but it tells you |
| 08:01.56 | Luria | yeah i know :-) |
| 08:02.04 | We | so guys can i insert a simcart for use gprs on n800 but impossible for n810? or both can do this? |
| 08:02.13 | zoran | don't try that |
| 08:02.30 | Luria | i just bought an apple bluetooth compact keyboard at apple soho tonight |
| 08:02.36 | zoran | go for specs on the review |
| 08:02.44 | unique311 | We, no sim card |
| 08:02.50 | unique311 | lol |
| 08:02.52 | We | :( yes |
| 08:02.53 | Luria | We, neither have gsm |
| 08:03.06 | zoran | nor tv |
| 08:03.11 | tank-man | we, you need a seperate phone with bluetooth |
| 08:03.29 | Luria | unique311, where in the city? |
| 08:03.35 | zoran | e51 has wifi and gsm |
| 08:03.44 | Luria | i like the k850i |
| 08:03.54 | Luria | triband hsdpa @ 3.6m |
| 08:04.01 | Luria | and not a smartphone |
| 08:04.19 | zoran | I'm quiet with 6233 |
| 08:04.26 | zoran | 2 weeks of power |
| 08:04.32 | We | so foe use the internert i can only go to an isp wireless service? or is it another way there? |
| 08:04.43 | zoran | bt |
| 08:04.49 | unique311 | Luria, brooklyn |
| 08:05.02 | unique311 | party in the city |
| 08:05.12 | We | ummm? |
| 08:05.31 | unique311 | dragons? |
| 08:05.35 | unique311 | can i have one |
| 08:05.37 | zoran | yep |
| 08:05.40 | zoran | bbl |
| 08:05.43 | Luria | woo |
| 08:05.43 | Luria | which part? |
| 08:05.53 | unique311 | brooklyn college... |
| 08:05.57 | unique311 | junction |
| 08:06.06 | Luria | kinda out there |
| 08:06.07 | unique311 | flatbush and nostrand. |
| 08:06.10 | unique311 | yeah |
| 08:06.21 | unique311 | middle of brooklyn actually |
| 08:06.37 | Luria | i had to go to e 28th last sunday; it took forever |
| 08:06.37 | unique311 | center actually |
| 08:06.43 | We | umm? |
| 08:06.45 | We | :'''( |
| 08:06.49 | unique311 | bullseyes |
| 08:06.53 | unique311 | -s |
| 08:06.58 | Luria | We, ? |
| 08:07.09 | We | (11:35:43) (We) so foe use the internert i can only go to an isp wireless service? or is it another way there? |
| 08:07.24 | tank-man | We, the other way is with a seperate phone with bluetooth |
| 08:07.24 | unique311 | ? |
| 08:07.29 | We | totally all ways for gprs please telll me |
| 08:07.30 | Luria | We, you need to tether with a cellphone with BT |
| 08:07.57 | unique311 | no cellular like services We |
| 08:08.02 | We | tank-man no i love it :) |
| 08:08.02 | unique311 | voip |
| 08:08.23 | We | yeah voip |
| 08:08.25 | Luria | preferably through DUN, though PAN can work |
| 08:08.50 | We | so the only way for use the internet is wireless service? yes? |
| 08:09.05 | Luria | unless you have wifi |
| 08:09.12 | unique311 | the IT needs to be connected to a wifi connection in order to use skype or gizmo or any other voip service to make phone calls |
| 08:09.23 | Luria | also some usb->ethernet dongles will work |
| 08:09.32 | We | oh :) cool |
| 08:09.54 | Luria | yes, but get a supported chipset |
| 08:09.59 | We | even Dial Up network? |
| 08:10.02 | unique311 | so if you are in an area thats full of open wireless routers... |
| 08:10.05 | unique311 | get one |
| 08:10.21 | Luria | yeah, wifi is the best |
| 08:10.35 | unique311 | if you have to travel miles to connect to a open wireless router |
| 08:10.39 | unique311 | still get one |
| 08:10.43 | We | what about Dial Up network? possible? |
| 08:10.47 | unique311 | it comes in handy |
| 08:10.57 | Luria | We, what do you mean? |
| 08:11.15 | unique311 | thats a tricky one |
| 08:11.17 | We | old Dial Up (The Wire To That)? |
| 08:11.22 | Luria | DUN profile or phone dialup |
| 08:11.24 | Luria | ah |
| 08:11.38 | Luria | not directly |
| 08:12.06 | Luria | well, in theory, yes, but it would require usb otg cable -> rs-232->modem |
| 08:12.13 | unique311 | i guess if you connect your desktop to a dial up network, and setup you desktop to share that connection. then connect you n800/810 to the desktop, its possible |
| 08:12.20 | We | :0 |
| 08:12.36 | We | :D |
| 08:12.52 | unique311 | Luria, i think its possible |
| 08:12.58 | unique311 | too much work |
| 08:13.01 | Luria | oh it is |
| 08:13.10 | Luria | but as i said, not easily |
| 08:13.34 | Luria | plus youll need to use drivers for the rs-232 |
| 08:13.54 | We | and |
| 08:13.56 | Luria | someone on ITT pulled it off (usb->rs-232) |
| 08:13.59 | We | 1 more question |
| 08:14.09 | Luria | there is a thread with pics |
| 08:14.54 | Luria | btw, is there an xmodmap for chinook? |
| 08:15.35 | We | if i don't use internet and don't have the wireless account then the nokia n800 / n810 can work can i turn it on? and use other parts like multimedia ,,,apps ...games....? tottally can it work without internet? |
| 08:15.51 | unique311 | yes |
| 08:16.06 | Luria | yes, there are many things that dont need an internet connection |
| 08:16.16 | unique311 | its a tiny winy notebook. |
| 08:16.18 | Luria | xournal, pygtkeditor, scummvm |
| 08:16.24 | Luria | nethack :-) |
| 08:16.37 | We | so just the desktop don't show the internet stuffs??? yes? |
| 08:16.39 | unique311 | gaming, multimedia, linux stuff |
| 08:16.43 | unique311 | etc |
| 08:16.50 | unique311 | and more etc |
| 08:16.56 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.29.49) |
| 08:18.28 | Luria | porn vids too |
| 08:18.33 | We | lol |
| 08:18.43 | We | (11:47:48) (We) so just the desktop don't show the internet stuffs??? yes? yes??? |
| 08:19.09 | Luria | youporn.com doesnt work well tho. |
| 08:19.28 | unique311 | channelchooser works well |
| 08:19.29 | unique311 | lol |
| 08:19.41 | unique311 | anything flash works well |
| 08:19.47 | unique311 | now |
| 08:20.12 | Luria | no, youporn is too big, fwiw |
| 08:20.30 | Luria | iow, large flv stuff can choke it |
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| 08:20.38 | Luria | youtube is ok though |
| 08:21.08 | We | guys the screen size of n800 and n810 is the same? yes? |
| 08:21.27 | tank-man | yes |
| 08:21.39 | unique311 | yeah |
| 08:21.42 | We | :D |
| 08:22.31 | We | what are new cool 3d games? i heard it can be on on PSP way And I saw New Doom And .... |
| 08:22.38 | Luria | 770,800, and 810 are all the same size |
| 08:23.03 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.29.49) |
| 08:23.11 | Luria | but different screens |
| 08:23.11 | unique311 | Luria, anything going on for new years? |
| 08:23.47 | Luria | i had nothing until 10 minutes ago but just got invited to a party |
| 08:23.53 | unique311 | i'm thinking ball drop...but all my friends are afraid of terrorist blowing shit up. |
| 08:23.55 | sandyang028 | G`morning |
| 08:24.18 | Luria | screw terrorists. id be worried about tourists :-) |
| 08:24.35 | Luria | you do it once, and then never again |
| 08:24.36 | We | Quake2 :D |
| 08:25.25 | unique311 | Luria, so many cops out there. |
| 08:25.33 | Luria | finally got around to scummvm today |
| 08:25.35 | unique311 | so many check points |
| 08:25.48 | unique311 | i doubt terrorist would try something that night |
| 08:25.52 | Luria | oh, its not that - its just hard to get around |
| 08:25.59 | unique311 | pretty much |
| 08:26.08 | Luria | And not much fun |
| 08:26.27 | Luria | ideal you want a private party in a tall building nearby |
| 08:26.30 | unique311 | at one check point i remember seeing a freaking mountaiing of bottles. |
| 08:26.54 | Luria | most important is to be in the company of an attractive young lady |
| 08:27.05 | unique311 | yeah. |
| 08:27.09 | unique311 | i messed up one year. |
| 08:27.15 | unique311 | the ball dropped |
| 08:27.26 | unique311 | and i grabbed a random chick i just met. |
| 08:27.32 | Luria | uh oh |
| 08:27.36 | We | is ther any news for the future of these internet tablet GAMES? |
| 08:27.45 | unique311 | and tongued her down |
| 08:28.04 | unique311 | all that went thru my mind was mono afterwards |
| 08:28.12 | Luria | ha ha |
| 08:28.17 | Luria | small price to pay |
| 08:28.19 | unique311 | was way too easy, you know |
| 08:28.32 | unique311 | but thank god nothing happend to me. |
| 08:28.54 | Luria | whatever - by age 40, 95% of americans have EBV |
| 08:29.13 | unique311 | 2007 went by too quickly... |
| 08:29.14 | We | ummm someone play Quake 1 on n800 and n810? |
| 08:29.36 | Luria | amen to that |
| 08:29.55 | unique311 | EBV |
| 08:29.58 | We | ? |
| 08:30.00 | We | yes? |
| 08:30.03 | unique311 | sounds scurry |
| 08:30.12 | Luria | epstein-barr virus |
| 08:30.29 | We | :'''( |
| 08:30.30 | unique311 | just googled it |
| 08:30.37 | unique311 | is scurry |
| 08:30.38 | Luria | the virus that causes infectious mononucleosis |
| 08:31.09 | We | ? |
| 08:31.22 | We | i want to know which one play it better? |
| 08:31.43 | YY | did u play a game named super minner on nokia? |
| 08:31.48 | Luria | dunno, ive played neither |
| 08:31.50 | unique311 | We, i played lxdoom |
| 08:31.58 | unique311 | that was cool on the n800 |
| 08:32.15 | unique311 | was surprise on how good the controls were |
| 08:32.25 | Luria | meh. there are no fpses without kybd+mouse |
| 08:32.28 | unique311 | doom pretty much similar to quake |
| 08:32.30 | We | what about n810? which one can show it better? |
| 08:32.43 | unique311 | 810 is similar to 800 |
| 08:32.55 | We | http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/quetoo.jpg the pic is very bad |
| 08:32.56 | unique311 | 810 has gps and keybaord |
| 08:33.05 | We | do u have any pic from that? |
| 08:33.10 | unique311 | think thats the only difference |
| 08:33.16 | unique311 | and the screen feature |
| 08:33.19 | Luria | and a transflective screen |
| 08:33.23 | unique311 | yah |
| 08:33.33 | Luria | and 2gb internal fixed |
| 08:33.52 | Luria | but only one sd-micro card |
| 08:34.16 | Luria | and a stupid usb micro port |
| 08:35.02 | Luria | get a n800 for $200, two 16gb cards for $200 |
| 08:35.19 | We | cool |
| 08:35.20 | chille | 16GB card? wtf? where do i get them? |
| 08:35.28 | We | but i wanna to buy new n810 |
| 08:35.31 | unique311 | nokia throwing a 2008 party on the 31st..? |
| 08:35.34 | We | it is newer |
| 08:35.39 | unique311 | chille, china |
| 08:35.43 | chille | N810 > N800 |
| 08:35.50 | unique311 | for like 600 dollars |
| 08:35.54 | Luria | newegg had them for $99 |
| 08:35.57 | chille | unique311: are they really 16 gigaBYTE? |
| 08:36.02 | unique311 | damn |
| 08:36.03 | unique311 | yes |
| 08:36.07 | unique311 | 32 even |
| 08:36.18 | We | yes where can i find 32 gb? |
| 08:36.23 | chille | unique311: thers a lot of 16GB cards on eBay, but some idiots don't know the difference between Gb and GB :/ |
| 08:36.24 | Luria | 32 are bloody fortune if you can find them |
| 08:36.32 | unique311 | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/01/_32gb_sd_cards_in_2008_1.html |
| 08:36.46 | We | :D |
| 08:37.07 | unique311 | i think they are up to 32GB |
| 08:37.10 | chille | does the N810 support 32GB? :D |
| 08:37.14 | unique311 | but for next year |
| 08:37.19 | unique311 | mid |
| 08:37.19 | tank-man | ive never seen sd cards measured in gigabit sizes |
| 08:37.21 | unique311 | maybe |
| 08:37.21 | We | yes |
| 08:37.50 | unique311 | chille, i think on ITT you get info on that |
| 08:38.06 | unique311 | 16 i think is supported with os2008 |
| 08:38.11 | unique311 | but don't quote me on that |
| 08:38.38 | chille | okay |
| 08:38.43 | chille | 2x16GB would be nice :) |
| 08:38.59 | chille | $200 for 32GB is okay |
| 08:39.29 | YY | excuse me sir? |
| 08:39.41 | unique311 | you excuse YY |
| 08:39.47 | YY | may i have a question? |
| 08:39.50 | unique311 | 200 for 32GB |
| 08:39.59 | Luria | trying to find the thread |
| 08:40.02 | unique311 | thats a good price |
| 08:40.22 | Luria | you can get class 6 16gb cards for $160 |
| 08:40.33 | We | chille are chinese? |
| 08:40.56 | chille | no, i'm swede :( |
| 08:40.56 | We | chille are u chinese? |
| 08:40.58 | We | ?????? |
| 08:40.59 | We | yes? |
| 08:41.00 | tank-man | 160$ sounds expensive when 8gb sdhc are $50 |
| 08:41.02 | We | oh ok |
| 08:41.08 | YY | how much do u buy a nokia N800 in ur city? |
| 08:41.12 | chille | Luria: 160? you get it for $90 + shipping on eBay :) |
| 08:41.19 | Luria | for class 6? |
| 08:41.23 | chille | yep |
| 08:41.26 | chille | http://cgi.ebay.com/Adata-16Gb-16G-16-G-GB-CL6-Memory-SD-HC-SDHC-Card-NEW_W0QQitemZ350010088147QQihZ022QQcategoryZ122613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 08:41.33 | unique311 | 16GB http://www.flash-memory-store.com/qmemory-secure-digital-16gb.html |
| 08:41.41 | We | i heard available a new n800 that can work with gsm network as phone? |
| 08:41.44 | unique311 | $138 |
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| 08:42.09 | Tybor | hi people.... |
| 08:42.18 | Luria | gah why does itt suck on microb |
| 08:42.52 | YY | it spend 3000RMB in my city,about $500 |
| 08:43.00 | Tybor | is there anyone here involved in bug n2140? |
| 08:43.02 | chille | YY: the cheapest i can get a N800 in sweden seems to be around $340 |
| 08:43.08 | unique311 | Luria, install the add blocker |
| 08:43.17 | YY | really? |
| 08:43.34 | chille | yes, 2200SEK = $340 |
| 08:43.36 | Tybor | i.e. Maemo not binding to a Freedom Universal Keyboard |
| 08:43.56 | YY | can i use it in China? |
| 08:44.07 | unique311 | lol, yes |
| 08:44.17 | chille | the mose expensive store takes $620 for a N800 |
| 08:44.18 | We | YY are u chinese? |
| 08:44.25 | Luria | i have adp |
| 08:44.34 | YY | yes,and u? |
| 08:44.40 | Luria | its not the ads, which do suck |
| 08:44.47 | We | no i am persian |
| 08:44.48 | Luria | its everything |
| 08:45.02 | We | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.06 | We | on china? |
| 08:45.09 | We | possible? |
| 08:45.10 | Luria | We, no, no no |
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| 08:45.23 | Tybor | We, the latest N is 810 with GPS not GSM |
| 08:45.27 | YY | impossible? |
| 08:45.33 | unique311 | We, you are persian |
| 08:45.34 | We | yes n800 chinese version! |
| 08:45.41 | We | yes Iran |
| 08:45.50 | unique311 | We, whats you take on the movie 300? |
| 08:45.54 | Luria | there is an annouced but unavailable n8x0+wimax |
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| 08:46.11 | We | 300 was cool just |
| 08:46.23 | We | our king was like the gay |
| 08:46.27 | We | hehe lol |
| 08:47.06 | YY | it is Chiese menu? |
| 08:47.21 | unique311 | I worked in a store where a persian amabassadors daughter was an employee in the store. |
| 08:47.48 | unique311 | she was gorgeous. |
| 08:47.50 | Luria | 300: sweaty men stick each other with long hard objects |
| 08:48.04 | We | amabassadors ? what is it? |
| 08:48.34 | unique311 | i think her mother was the ambassador to an asian country. |
| 08:48.50 | unique311 | but the girl looked reallly good. |
| 08:48.55 | We | YY did u see the n800 chinese version? |
| 08:49.11 | Luria | oh the knock off "n800" |
| 08:49.12 | YY | no ,never see |
| 08:49.13 | unique311 | she was a model for abercrombie and fitch |
| 08:49.15 | We | oh cool unique311 how old was she? |
| 08:49.20 | unique311 | 19 |
| 08:49.23 | Luria | winCE machine |
| 08:49.27 | We | any pic? |
| 08:49.32 | Luria | if it was ever made |
| 08:49.34 | unique311 | she was attending NYU. |
| 08:49.40 | YY | but i found it in a Chiese net:www.taobao.com |
| 08:49.52 | unique311 | part time job at abercrombie and fitch. |
| 08:49.56 | We | unique311 do u have her pic? |
| 08:50.03 | unique311 | no |
| 08:50.07 | Luria | google. it just looks like a n800 with a p-shopped wince 5 screen |
| 08:50.15 | Luria | a/s/l lol |
| 08:50.20 | We | YY yes the chinese version can work as phone on GSM |
| 08:50.21 | unique311 | i guess you can look up all of persian ambassador females. |
| 08:50.26 | unique311 | that should be easy |
| 08:50.37 | YY | i use nokia E50, |
| 08:50.37 | unique311 | and find one that has a daughter |
| 08:50.39 | unique311 | lol |
| 08:51.08 | dybnu | I hate microsoft |
| 08:51.33 | YY | it is linux Operating system? |
| 08:51.40 | unique311 | http://images.google.com/images?q=persian+female+ambassadors&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=EWE |
| 08:51.48 | unique311 | i guess that could be her mother |
| 08:51.54 | Luria | lol |
| 08:52.04 | We | unique311 all of persian ambassador females. lol |
| 08:52.10 | chille | lol |
| 08:52.14 | unique311 | lol |
| 08:52.18 | chille | unique311: \o/ |
| 08:52.19 | unique311 | wow |
| 08:52.35 | unique311 | i'll try to find her pic on facebook |
| 08:52.51 | We | cool :) |
| 08:53.20 | YY | do u have blog? |
| 08:53.39 | We | me? |
| 08:53.57 | YY | yes |
| 08:54.01 | We | yes |
| 08:54.16 | We | www.italodancemp3.de.am |
| 08:54.21 | Luria | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=sdhc%20cards&bop=And&SrchInDesc=16gb&Page=1 |
| 08:54.24 | YY | can u tell me the websit |
| 08:54.41 | YY | thank u |
| 08:55.31 | We | websit? what is it? |
| 08:56.07 | YY | website |
| 08:56.09 | YY | sorry |
| 08:56.20 | We | my homepage is for support artists and their labels |
| 08:56.38 | We | sorry i don't got it the website of what? |
| 08:57.16 | We | :( |
| 08:59.14 | unique311 | gigi da'gostino |
| 08:59.32 | Luria | i got to tinker with this new keyboard |
| 08:59.43 | We | yeah |
| 08:59.50 | Luria | but i like it better than the foldup igo |
| 09:00.16 | We | the apple's iphone is very shit are u agree? |
| 09:00.27 | YY | yes |
| 09:00.31 | We | it has the poor audio/video quality |
| 09:00.38 | YY | but too expensive |
| 09:00.49 | Luria | yeah, tho one serious geek i know loves it |
| 09:00.56 | We | here is about 630 dollars |
| 09:01.00 | unique311 | We, register with this irc network |
| 09:01.13 | We | ok will do |
| 09:01.15 | unique311 | i sent you a private message.. |
| 09:01.25 | We | yes wait 1 sec |
| 09:01.27 | unique311 | i don't thin you can recieve without being registered. |
| 09:01.30 | unique311 | coo |
| 09:01.30 | *** part/#maemo We (i=Italodan@81.12.86.181) |
| 09:01.34 | unique311 | l |
| 09:01.59 | Luria | really? |
| 09:02.17 | Luria | i never bother authenticating unless my nick is taken |
| 09:02.54 | unique311 | with freenode, you cannot recieve pm's unless you authenticate. |
| 09:03.22 | unique311 | I just PM's him about the dance artist he has on his website. |
| 09:03.24 | Luria | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.58 | unique311 | did you recieve? |
| 09:04.03 | Luria | yes |
| 09:04.11 | Luria | did you get mine? |
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| 09:04.22 | YY | how much do u spend on Accesses the net on ur phone? |
| 09:04.34 | Luria | afk, brb |
| 09:05.09 | unique311 | YY, not much |
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| 09:05.47 | legind | since I have the n800, all I need is a phone that can provide bt internet connectivity. can anyone suggest a phone/plan? |
| 09:05.47 | YY | i just have only 12M about 5RMB every month |
| 09:05.50 | unique311 | i have a cellphone...the IT is only for emegencies i guess |
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| 09:06.25 | We | ok |
| 09:06.25 | legind | (being in the US) |
| 09:06.27 | We | sorry guys |
| 09:06.30 | We | :) |
| 09:06.32 | unique311 | a cheap unlimited data plan |
| 09:06.39 | We | registered |
| 09:06.41 | unique311 | tmobile |
| 09:06.48 | legind | unique311, no 3g though |
| 09:07.08 | YY | The handset surfer is very expensive in China |
| 09:07.43 | We | Guys all apps and Games On os 2007 Can work on os 2008 too? |
| 09:07.50 | We | unique311 DONE! |
| 09:08.35 | unique311 | We, did yo recieve the last PM |
| 09:08.44 | Vulcanis | We: If you do some tweaking, many of them work on 08 |
| 09:08.45 | We | no :( |
| 09:08.50 | unique311 | hmm |
| 09:08.56 | Vulcanis | others you'd have to wait for, or port them yourself |
| 09:08.57 | YY | The Chinese mostly uses for to speculate in the stock market |
| 09:09.17 | unique311 | the apps and games have to be ported to os2008 |
| 09:09.22 | We | Quetoo (Quake2) v0.5.0-5zs is on os 2007 section but can it work for n810 too? |
| 09:09.27 | unique311 | which is happening right now |
| 09:09.35 | Vulcanis | quetoo works |
| 09:09.43 | Luria | back. celebrate |
| 09:09.43 | Vulcanis | you need to grab -6, though |
| 09:09.56 | We | -6 what? |
| 09:10.00 | Vulcanis | http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/ |
| 09:10.10 | Vulcanis | go grab 0.5.0-6 |
| 09:10.20 | YY | but i use it on download movie |
| 09:10.54 | unique311 | We, try to PM me |
| 09:11.00 | We | sure |
| 09:11.15 | Luria | yeah, but you need data files, no? |
| 09:11.45 | Vulcanis | for what, luria? |
| 09:11.49 | Vulcanis | quetoo? Yes. |
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| 09:12.39 | Luria | q2 |
| 09:12.56 | Vulcanis | yeah, you need the .paks on an mmc |
| 09:13.24 | Vulcanis | and you kinda need to edit a user.cfg so the brightness is bearable instead of darker-than-doom3 and unplayable |
| 09:14.01 | Luria | also, i need a mouse :-) |
| 09:14.23 | Vulcanis | screen, though it is VERY uncomfortable when you use the d-pad with fullscreen as trigger |
| 09:14.42 | Luria | i have a real keyboard with me |
| 09:14.45 | Vulcanis | I play it with a BT KB and screen as a mouse, still, some button close to WASD as fire |
| 09:15.14 | Luria | do any bt mice work? |
| 09:15.21 | Vulcanis | don't believe so |
| 09:15.32 | Luria | i thought so |
| 09:15.41 | Vulcanis | Iwould assume they'd lag too much to be playable, too |
| 09:16.23 | Luria | hmm. hid bt does suck on maemo. |
| 09:16.33 | Vulcanis | yeah, the KB lags alot |
| 09:16.51 | Luria | and repeats |
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| 09:20.11 | staulkor | hey |
| 09:23.15 | YY | i like a game in nokia named cake house |
| 09:23.26 | Luria | yo |
| 09:23.37 | staulkor | has anybody had any luck with autoscan on OS2008? |
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| 09:23.57 | staulkor | i got it to install with no issues, but when I go to run it, it says loading, and then nothing happens :P |
| 09:24.01 | We | sorry |
| 09:24.03 | We | :( |
| 09:24.17 | Luria | careful with autoscan |
| 09:24.27 | We | NickServ- Password Incorrect doesn't work shit |
| 09:24.33 | We | :''''( |
| 09:24.36 | Luria | if you are using the old 770 package |
| 09:24.50 | staulkor | i got the one from autoscan.fr |
| 09:24.55 | staulkor | so im assuming that is the old one |
| 09:25.01 | Luria | the daemon does not play well with power saving |
| 09:25.10 | Luria | you will kill your battery |
| 09:25.16 | staulkor | hmm |
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| 09:25.22 | staulkor | but there is a new one out there? |
| 09:25.33 | staulkor | im attempt to compile a new one, but i keep running into lib issues |
| 09:25.35 | Luria | (i had this under bora, have not tried with chinook) |
| 09:25.47 | staulkor | got a link? ill try it out :) |
| 09:26.01 | Luria | i mean i had this problem under chinook |
| 09:26.07 | staulkor | ah |
| 09:26.17 | Luria | i mean under bora |
| 09:26.24 | Luria | and never tried on chinook |
| 09:26.56 | staulkor | i got the deb off autoscan.fr and i guess thats the one built for the 770 |
| 09:28.14 | We | unique311 are u there? |
| 09:28.44 | Luria | http://www.lipstadt.com/noted/ |
| 09:28.45 | We | PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible? |
| 09:28.52 | Luria | scroll to the bottom of the page |
| 09:29.40 | Luria | staulkor, that was for you |
| 09:29.45 | We | ? |
| 09:29.49 | staulkor | k, reading |
| 09:29.50 | Luria | the link |
| 09:29.53 | We | PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible??????? |
| 09:30.03 | Luria | We, no idea |
| 09:30.16 | Luria | search internettablettalk.com forums |
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| 09:30.49 | We | unique311 |
| 09:30.53 | staulkor | hmm |
| 09:33.28 | Luria | that really sucked, btw. |
| 09:34.31 | staulkor | well i guess i have to attempt to compile a new autoscan |
| 09:35.00 | staulkor | im trying to get gtk2 libs on there, but it yelling at me about dependencies |
| 09:35.08 | staulkor | and it comes down to libpng12-0 which is already on there |
| 09:35.10 | staulkor | but it says it isnt |
| 09:35.18 | Luria | one that knows that the net connection is down :-) |
| 09:35.23 | Vulcanis | [04:29:58] <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible??????? -- it probably works ok now that the processor runs at 400mhz, but you'll need to talk with pupnik to see if it can work on 08 |
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| 09:35.58 | iDS | agg |
| 09:36.10 | Vulcanis | [04:29:58] <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible??????? -- it probably works ok now that the processor runs at 400mhz, but you'll need to talk with pupnik to see if it can work on 08 |
| 09:36.44 | We | :D |
| 09:36.47 | We | thank u |
| 09:36.58 | EY | Can anyone suggest a ood GTD app for OS2008 please? |
| 09:37.47 | EY | good* |
| 09:38.32 | Luria | gtd? |
| 09:38.54 | Vulcanis | getting things done, I believe. |
| 09:38.59 | Luria | ah |
| 09:39.04 | EY | Or, can Ruby + Tracks be installed on OS2008 |
| 09:39.11 | Vulcanis | Nevermind. |
| 09:39.16 | Luria | depends on which things :-) |
| 09:39.24 | Vulcanis | no, luria, different. |
| 09:40.38 | EY | I think the editors just don't cut it -- not enough screen-space. |
| 09:41.02 | Vulcanis | low fontsize + better glasses = win |
| 09:41.40 | Luria | notecase + server side app? |
| 09:42.12 | EY | Haha! |
| 09:42.26 | EY | Notecase? |
| 09:42.48 | Luria | ? |
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| 09:43.24 | Luria | but no alarms |
| 09:43.37 | Luria | i dont think there is a single solution |
| 09:43.42 | EY | URL? |
| 09:44.06 | Luria | not offhand, google notecase and maemo |
| 09:44.16 | EY | I don't use alarms anyway. |
| 09:44.34 | Luria | some of the gpe apps might work for you |
| 09:45.42 | EY | Tried them. They are still buggy. |
| 09:47.34 | EY | Found notcase. Will give it a try. |
| 09:47.53 | Luria | k |
| 09:47.57 | Luria | bbl |
| 09:48.41 | EY | Funny how finger-tapping helped me find the apex of my rather flat thumb tip :-) |
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| 10:04.25 | We | guys |
| 10:04.35 | We | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.40 | We | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.44 | We | question |
| 10:04.46 | We | !!!!! |
| 10:04.55 | We | someone still here? |
| 10:05.14 | kulve | "still"? |
| 10:05.26 | We | :D |
| 10:05.36 | celesteh | past my bedtime |
| 10:05.46 | We | n800 and n810 can support subtitle files for the movies? |
| 10:05.55 | We | srt files |
| 10:06.05 | We | someone test it yet? |
| 10:06.19 | kulve | well, they can't play movie files as is anyway.. |
| 10:06.26 | We | creat an folder and insert both movie and srt file into that |
| 10:06.38 | We | they can't play movie files as is anyway..??????? |
| 10:06.49 | We | i am talking about divx avi files |
| 10:06.52 | kulve | too high resolution in the movies |
| 10:07.08 | We | creat an folder and insert both movie and srt file into that |
| 10:07.24 | kulve | if you transcode them to something suitable for the tablets, you can probably insert the subtitle to the video then.. |
| 10:07.25 | We | then srt subtitle can work? |
| 10:07.40 | kulve | the built-in player won't support subtitles |
| 10:07.53 | kulve | mplayer might |
| 10:08.37 | We | well it is very intersting please test it now if u can |
| 10:08.39 | We | :D |
| 10:08.45 | kulve | I can't |
| 10:08.49 | We | why? |
| 10:09.12 | kulve | a) I don't use mplayer, b) I don't have subtitles |
| 10:09.36 | We | ummm but it is really a good idea |
| 10:09.43 | We | but finally possible? |
| 10:11.44 | We | and |
| 10:11.47 | celesteh | we, maybe you could test this yourself? |
| 10:11.54 | celesteh | and maybe lay off the coffee some, mate |
| 10:12.11 | We | which one is Brightness? n800 or n810? |
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| 10:12.34 | We | celeste i don't buy it yet 1 month later new n810 :D |
| 10:12.46 | celesteh | ah, very exciting for you |
| 10:13.32 | We | yes dude :D |
| 10:13.44 | We | which one is Brightness? n800 or n810?????? |
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| 10:13.56 | kulve | what do you mean? |
| 10:14.11 | We | well the most Brightness |
| 10:14.14 | celesteh | i do not understand the question. It's possible to make the screen more or less bright |
| 10:14.23 | celesteh | oh, brightest |
| 10:15.03 | celesteh | i don't have enough energy to follow this much enthusiasm. 'night all. |
| 10:15.32 | We | yes? |
| 10:15.43 | We | oh damn sorry |
| 10:15.47 | We | yes brightest |
| 10:15.56 | We | which one is the most brightest? |
| 10:16.11 | kulve | if you mean which one has more bright display, then I think they are quite equal. Somebody did say that the n810 is better in direct sunlight, but I have only n800, so I don't know |
| 10:16.37 | We | :D cool |
| 10:16.59 | We | i am very exciting to buy it as soon as possible |
| 10:17.29 | We | well someone is from UAE now? |
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| 10:17.46 | kulve | uae? |
| 10:18.03 | timelyx | country |
| 10:18.03 | We | yes |
| 10:18.30 | We | UAE (United Arab Emirates) |
| 10:19.03 | zs | hi, i wonder how to create a simple game, how can I load graphics, what should I use? |
| 10:19.36 | kulve | zs: google for sdl |
| 10:20.12 | zs | so I can use SDL :) |
| 10:20.23 | kulve | yes |
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| 10:20.45 | zs | ok i will google thanks ;~) |
| 10:22.48 | melmoth | zs there is a nice sdl python wrapper available (pygame) |
| 10:24.10 | zs | yeah but I don't know python ;) |
| 10:25.30 | melmoth | there s C then. |
| 10:25.44 | hahlo | can I install os2008 kernel to os2007, or some other way get newer kernel in os2007? |
| 10:25.45 | We | someone know The Operating time For Video? |
| 10:26.04 | kulve | hahlo: why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 10:26.49 | hahlo | ain't there improvment in newer usually? |
| 10:26.49 | We | ??????????/ |
| 10:27.37 | kulve | hahlo: maybe, but they might need a new stuff from the user space too.. So I don't recommend it. |
| 10:27.51 | We | ??????????? |
| 10:28.00 | kulve | hahlo: and you would need the initfs too since it contains some kernel modules. And that contains some userspace stuff that might not work with the 2007 |
| 10:28.37 | hahlo | Ok. so 2.6.18 forever then |
| 10:29.03 | We | can someone reply me please? |
| 10:29.12 | kulve | We: maybe nobody here knows the answer? |
| 10:29.31 | kulve | We: or maybe nobody wants to answer since you are flooding question marks here.. |
| 10:29.39 | We | lol |
| 10:29.42 | We | why :( |
| 10:29.53 | We | it was only a simple question |
| 10:30.06 | kulve | no it wasn't |
| 10:30.17 | We | (13:56:56) (We) someone know The Operating time For Video? really hard? |
| 10:30.21 | kulve | depends on the video codec, quality, sound tract, etch |
| 10:30.38 | kulve | on the battery age |
| 10:30.41 | We | avi files |
| 10:31.25 | kulve | according to the Nokia: |
| 10:31.26 | kulve | Continuous usage (display on, wireless LAN active): up to 4 hours |
| 10:31.27 | kulve | Music playback: up to 10 hours |
| 10:31.36 | kulve | make your own conclusions |
| 10:31.40 | We | i knew that page |
| 10:31.52 | We | but it never said the vide files |
| 10:32.41 | kulve | hahlo: what do you mean "doesn't work"? |
| 10:33.16 | hahlo | skype falls everytime after few sec speak |
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| 10:34.33 | kulve | ok, so the os2008 works, the skype on 2008 doesn't.. I've never even started the skype, so I can't help, sorry. |
| 10:35.30 | hahlo | others report that their skype works, it can be fi_FI locale thing |
| 10:37.55 | We | >:I |
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| 10:48.06 | YY | :P |
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| 11:24.46 | maddler | morning all |
| 11:24.59 | zs | morning morning ;) |
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| 11:51.12 | YY | G`night |
| 11:55.42 | zs | anyone has simple example of using SDL ? |
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| 11:57.57 | melmoth | http://www.libsdl.org/tutorials.php |
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| 12:00.25 | zs | melmoth, ok, but i compiled one exaple, on PC it runs ok but on my nokia i have Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
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| 12:01.32 | rm_you | lol ok |
| 12:01.38 | rm_you | i guess the topic answered my question :P |
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| 12:02.33 | rm_you | You guys have probably been hearing this all day, so i appologize in advance: Any idea when the repo will be fixed? :( |
| 12:02.59 | rm_you | I guess I just chose a bad day to upgrade >_> |
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| 12:07.55 | melmoth | zs well, if it segfault, gdb is your friend. |
| 12:09.08 | zs | i don't know him ;) could you explain me what it is? |
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| 12:11.47 | youam | is there any estimate on when the maemo.org repositories are going to be fixed again? is there some existing workaround against them? |
| 12:14.34 | melmoth | zs gdb is a debugger, when your application segfault, it s because it try to access (or free) a memory that does not belong to it |
| 12:14.48 | hugolp | youam: my guess is that after holiday nothing is going to be fixed |
| 12:15.04 | melmoth | it produce a core (an image of the stack) that can be use to replay what happen, and with gdb you can see step by step what has been done |
| 12:15.31 | melmoth | if you are lucky, the problem lies in your application...if you are not, you spotted a maemo sdl bug |
| 12:16.36 | melmoth | zs if you are not familiar with C , you may consider using python.. At least with python you are sure it s not a bug in your app when you hit a segfault :) |
| 12:21.26 | zs | melmoth: thanks I want to learn C and I will stick with it, thanks for your answer ;) |
| 12:24.36 | melmoth | zs http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb_toc.html |
| 12:25.00 | melmoth | zs compile your application with the gcc -g option to be able to see the function and variable names |
| 12:25.39 | melmoth | if the problem lies in a packaged library, then be sure to install the debug symbol package for it or it wont makes sense. |
| 12:25.48 | zs | ok i will try |
| 12:26.53 | rm_you | youam: i am trying to find out as well >_> i picked a bad day to flash my completely working n800 to OS2008 >_> |
| 12:27.25 | rm_you | i was kinda hoping someone had a mirror of the repo in a working state... |
| 12:27.32 | rm_you | *I* may have to start doing that |
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| 12:28.33 | melmoth | rm_you: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 |
| 12:29.01 | melmoth | i think i ll wait this whole issue is fixed before upgrading to os2008 |
| 12:29.11 | rm_you | ooo |
| 12:29.20 | rm_you | seriously? that's it? |
| 12:29.22 | rm_you | >_> |
| 12:29.32 | konttori | Hey, why is this repository problem still here? |
| 12:29.41 | konttori | I thought it would be a one day issue |
| 12:30.09 | konttori | seriously, what's the reason for it here? |
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| 12:30.33 | konttori | or has it been fixed? |
| 12:31.35 | rm_you | i like the "echo 62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts |
| 12:31.35 | rm_you | " solution >_> |
| 12:31.50 | rm_you | it's the simplest to do/undo for me |
| 12:32.29 | rm_you | of course, the first thing I did was redpill and install vim, so... maybe that's just me :P |
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| 12:37.34 | rm_you | playbin? |
| 12:38.56 | rm_you | regardless, yay ukmp :P |
| 12:39.26 | zs | yeah i made it, now it works fine :) |
| 12:40.03 | rm_you | oh, gstreamer stuff |
| 12:40.19 | rm_you | looks like a cool feature :P what was it using before? |
| 12:41.00 | konttori | gnomevfssrc |
| 12:41.33 | konttori | playbin takes the hassle out of gstreamer playback. |
| 12:41.41 | rm_you | it does look that way |
| 12:42.04 | konttori | I'm testing it now for a while and when it's ok, I'll upload it along with some other fixes to ukmp. |
| 12:42.48 | rm_you | well, time to do what I installed OS2008 to do! |
| 12:43.49 | konttori | is there support for a2dp already? |
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| 12:44.42 | rm_you | sorta |
| 12:44.50 | rm_you | johnx got most of it working |
| 12:44.59 | rm_you | i'm going to try to continue his work |
| 12:45.21 | rm_you | I focus on video playback stuff though usually... like, i had video working with a2dp in OS2007 :) |
| 12:45.56 | konttori | so, it will work on gstreamer as well? Also dsp mp3 playback? |
| 12:46.09 | rm_you | well, not at the moment, i don't think |
| 12:46.18 | konttori | so, mplayer? |
| 12:46.23 | rm_you | his method is more of a kickback to 2007 |
| 12:46.25 | rm_you | IE, alsa |
| 12:46.29 | rm_you | yea |
| 12:46.45 | rm_you | hardware processing still notsomuch i believe |
| 12:49.54 | konttori | sweet. now volume stuff works also. I'll now leave my device for a 'stress test' and go and get lunch. |
| 12:50.08 | rm_you | heh |
| 12:58.36 | rm_you | wowwtf |
| 12:59.12 | rm_you | I just wanted to test mplayer so i played a video i had encoded for it... and i had just paired my bluetooth headphones... and it played the audio through those by default >_> |
| 12:59.18 | rm_you | i havent done the rest of the blueooth setup yet |
| 12:59.27 | rm_you | i don't think this is a2dp... but weird |
| 12:59.34 | rm_you | wasn't expecting that *at all* |
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| 13:37.19 | rm_you | So, anyone have a build environment set up at the moment? >_> |
| 13:37.57 | rm_you | err, and is also willing to help with some a2dp playback experiments for os2008? |
| 13:42.41 | hahlo | I have scratchbox2 but it doesn't build any armel.debs. |
| 13:44.43 | rm_you | :( |
| 13:45.17 | rm_you | i'm working on setting up my own but it'll take a while, and the fix i need to make is ridiculously small >_> |
| 13:45.32 | rm_you | which is why this is kinda ridiculous |
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| 13:46.13 | hahlo | ok |
| 13:47.38 | hahlo | I tried 'sb2 apt-get source tin' and then dbkg build but didn't got any tin.armel.deb |
| 13:52.06 | rm_you | hrm.... darn. I guess i will need to figure out how to use sb2, huh? :P |
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| 13:59.42 | kpel | hi all |
| 14:01.10 | kpel | is gronmayer.com down? |
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| 14:06.15 | kpel | does anyone know where to find xchat for os2008. it's not in the package list. |
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| 14:12.27 | eber_it | hi! |
| 14:12.33 | rm_you | :) |
| 14:12.53 | NigraFuz_ | kpel : i just found it here : http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 14:13.29 | eber_it | this is typed from xchat on n810 |
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| 14:15.05 | kpel | i suppose it will work for my n800 running os2008. thanks NigraFuz_ |
| 14:15.44 | NigraFuz_ | kpel: i think it will |
| 14:16.00 | rm_you | i'm going to try it now too |
| 14:16.05 | kpel | let's see... |
| 14:18.00 | eber_it | no obvious bug - seems a very good port |
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| 14:19.04 | rm_you|n800 | seems to work nicely |
| 14:19.23 | kpel | good news. thanks guys. i'm still typing the url :) |
| 14:19.34 | rm_you|n800 | lol |
| 14:19.59 | kpel | do you guys get the same letter typed twice sometimes? i mean one tap of the stylus results in two letters appearing |
| 14:20.14 | rm_you | yeah |
| 14:20.18 | rm_you | seems to do that |
| 14:20.20 | kpel | or maybe it's parkinson's at an early stage :) |
| 14:20.28 | kpel | ah, ok, it's not parkinson's |
| 14:20.42 | rm_you | i'm pretty nimble with that stylus, and it did that to me like three times in the last few minutes |
| 14:21.03 | kpel | yeah, it's a bit naughty. hopefully it will get sorted out. |
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| 14:21.34 | rm_you | wow |
| 14:21.38 | rm_you | this version has a tray icon! |
| 14:21.42 | rm_you | my last one didn't. |
| 14:22.12 | rm_you | just checking again... does anyone here have a build environment set up and producing armel debs? |
| 14:22.13 | NigraFuz_ | i don't understand why it's not on maemo site |
| 14:22.30 | rm_you | like 90% of the packages i used to use are just *missing* from maemo |
| 14:22.33 | rm_you | but they still exist... |
| 14:22.42 | EY | .debs seem to be OK now. Time to change the topic? |
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| 14:22.49 | rm_you | err, but os2008 versions do exist |
| 14:23.00 | NigraFuz_ | and the ones from maemo are not usable because repository is broken :) |
| 14:23.28 | rm_you | EY: They are |
| 14:23.29 | rm_you | ? |
| 14:23.38 | rm_you | weren't working for me about 5 minutes ago still |
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| 14:23.43 | EY | What has an icon in the system tray? |
| 14:23.49 | rm_you | XChat |
| 14:24.03 | rm_you | on OS2008 |
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| 14:25.38 | EY | Oh... My mistake, I'm using the backup repoStory's. |
| 14:25.43 | kpel_N800 | it's alive! |
| 14:25.48 | rm_you | :P |
| 14:26.53 | NigraFuz_ | it seems xchat drops private messages |
| 14:26.58 | rm_you | :/ |
| 14:27.16 | EY | I'm still honeymoon-ing with this N800. wonder how much I'll use it afterwards. |
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| 14:27.42 | kpel | provate messages work for me with xchat |
| 14:28.02 | kpel | NickDe: you mean '/query blah' right? |
| 14:28.22 | kpel | perhaps you have some network settign that prevents queries from certain users? |
| 14:28.39 | NigraFuz_ | simple /msg |
| 14:29.01 | kpel | EY: you are a HERO! I tried pidgin but commands like /whois simply wouldn't work. |
| 14:29.54 | NigraFuz_ | ok my mistakes, it seems private messages are blocked by freenode because i'm unregistered |
| 14:30.10 | kpel | yeah, thought so |
| 14:30.16 | kpel | because even /msg works here |
| 14:31.08 | NigraFuz_ | now i need a good pim with desktop synchronisation and i've got a working device |
| 14:31.28 | kpel | the gpe suite? |
| 14:31.43 | kpel | gpe-calendar, gpe-contacts, etc? |
| 14:31.54 | kpel | i'm not sure about desktop sync though |
| 14:32.03 | NigraFuz_ | i think i've to live with this at the moment |
| 14:32.10 | EY | Works here. The info is displayed in a separate window. |
| 14:32.15 | NigraFuz_ | calendar should work with opensync |
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| 14:32.58 | NigraFuz_ | calendar has some bugs, and other gpe applications crash really often |
| 14:33.01 | kpel | NickDe: you have installed opensync on the desktop? |
| 14:33.28 | kpel | EY: does gnokii work for you? |
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| 14:33.59 | kpel | gnokii worked for my 6280 at some point but s60 phones like s60 are somewhat more difficult |
| 14:34.19 | EY | But it's not too bad, given one can still navigate .vcf cards on the phone via BT. |
| 14:35.02 | EY | kpel, I'll try it. |
| 14:35.42 | kpel | EY: the project has also a room here in freenode. #gnokii |
| 14:36.13 | EY | Cool. Thanks. |
| 14:36.27 | kpel | not sure if you can find anyone present these days but worth a try if all else fails. |
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| 14:37.24 | eber_ | hello again |
| 14:37.26 | We | . |
| 14:37.30 | EY | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 14:37.49 | eber_ | do you know if there is an api to read or update contact database ? |
| 14:39.47 | kpel | no idea |
| 14:40.10 | eber_it | xchat is event better in fullscreen mode |
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| 14:46.47 | |tbb| | any way to restore passwort from an account which was setting up on moddest emailclient |
| 14:47.48 | eber_ | tbb: do you want to recover password from modest configuration ? |
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| 15:03.03 | |tbb| | eber yes |
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| 15:09.49 | EY | Is it possible to replace the default e-mail client? |
| 15:10.13 | rm_you | dunno about replace... i use claws-mail tho |
| 15:10.26 | rm_you | it just... ignores the old one? |
| 15:10.58 | EY | That's what I want :-) |
| 15:11.04 | rm_you | has anyone here gotten mplayer to compile in scratchbox? |
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| 15:11.10 | EY | Thanks. |
| 15:11.15 | rm_you | EY: well, that works :) just install i |
| 15:11.17 | rm_you | *it |
| 15:11.18 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:11.20 | rm_you | np :P |
| 15:11.47 | EY | Will do. |
| 15:12.36 | eber_ | mplayer is available already compiled |
| 15:13.45 | rm_you | right, i know |
| 15:13.57 | rm_you | but i need to get it to compile correctly, because i need to make some changes to the code |
| 15:14.10 | eber_ | ok sorry |
| 15:14.25 | rm_you | i'm applying a patch I wrote that will hopefully improve bluetooth a2dp :P |
| 15:14.49 | rm_you | but getting mplayer to build at all (even without my patch) is not working |
| 15:15.29 | eber_ | at the moment i've only built the hello world application, so i won't be able to help :) |
| 15:15.57 | rm_you | heh |
| 15:16.13 | rm_you | well, if you want to try to compile mplayer for armel and see how it goes... |
| 15:16.19 | rm_you | maybe yours will automagically work? |
| 15:16.20 | konttori | hmm.. wasn't mplayer supposed to be easily compilable from the garage sources? |
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| 15:16.34 | rm_you | i did: apt-get source mplayer |
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| 15:16.49 | konttori | hmm.. perhaps you should get the source from garage site |
| 15:16.55 | rm_you | and then: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 15:17.00 | rm_you | possibly |
| 15:17.09 | rm_you | but... it grabbed the right source, it seems |
| 15:17.12 | rm_you | i'll try that though |
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| 15:19.53 | rm_you | ok, got those sources, and patched, building on that |
| 15:20.27 | rm_you | nope, same error |
| 15:20.49 | rm_you | wait... |
| 15:21.44 | rm_you | wow |
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| 15:21.55 | rm_you | the only version available via garage is all the way back at .18 |
| 15:22.07 | rm_you | that's pre-0s2008 |
| 15:22.14 | rm_you | *pre-os2008 |
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| 15:23.05 | rm_you | their page referrs me to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 |
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| 15:23.17 | rm_you | which refers me to the standard repo for the sources >_> which is what i have. |
| 15:24.17 | yabbas | has anyone managed to get mice working under chinook without recompiling Xomap? |
| 15:24.55 | yabbas | is there a daemon of some form or sort that can map a device onto another device? |
| 15:24.59 | yabbas | etc |
| 15:26.53 | LoCusF | is there a workaround on getting a different charset for osso-xterm? |
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| 15:39.49 | atlas95 | hello |
| 15:40.11 | atlas95 | how to have tuner FM on the n810 please? |
| 15:41.01 | nomis | atlas95: is the hardware actually in the device? |
| 15:41.31 | atlas95 | I don't know .. |
| 15:41.49 | atlas95 | in the n800 yes, but i'm not sure in the n810 |
| 15:41.55 | zuh | AFAIK it isn't |
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| 15:46.35 | konttori | rm_you: ok. cool. good that you have the right ones then. I hope you have luck compiling it |
| 15:47.36 | rm_you | konttori: well, luck seems to be failing me, as i have NO idea how to proceed. these aren't the type of error messages i can debug and fix |
| 15:47.53 | rm_you | it's all assembly stuff that it says armel doesn't support... |
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| 15:49.21 | shacka1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.32 | atlas95 | ho :( |
| 15:49.39 | atlas95 | they are stupid :( |
| 15:49.43 | atlas95 | why remove it :( |
| 15:49.57 | rm_you | yeah... i'm actually thinking i like my n800 better than the new n810 >_> |
| 15:50.16 | atlas95 | I have just command a n810 |
| 15:50.24 | rm_you | i have a bluetooth gps and keyboard... and my gps is better (fix in like 10 seconds hot, under 45 seconds cold) |
| 15:50.31 | atlas95 | and I want to tell us for command a n800 :s |
| 15:51.06 | shacka1 | atlas95: command what? |
| 15:51.20 | rm_you | atlas95: what is your native language? just curious |
| 15:51.32 | atlas95 | french sorry :( |
| 15:52.12 | zoran | sorry cause you speek french :) |
| 15:52.16 | atlas95 | I'm thinking about maybe call nokia for have a n800 and not a n810 |
| 15:52.42 | shacka1 | atlas95: you bought a n810 without knowing what's inside it? |
| 15:52.55 | zoran | beware that nokia dumps older hardware easily |
| 15:53.08 | atlas95 | no, I know what is inside but I have just discover the n800 had a tuner fm |
| 15:53.18 | atlas95 | hidden |
| 15:53.49 | rm_you | atlas95: you could sell your n810 on ebay and buy an n800, and make some money back in the process :P |
| 15:53.49 | rm_you | in the US, n800 sell for approximately $220 |
| 15:53.57 | rm_you | n810 sell for about $450 |
| 15:54.33 | atlas95 | yes, it is not very very important, I have a nokia n70 phone |
| 15:54.39 | atlas95 | which have a tunerfm |
| 15:54.46 | rm_you | :) |
| 15:54.52 | rm_you | yeah, i don't use the tuner much |
| 15:54.55 | atlas95 | we can't have all inside ... |
| 15:54.58 | rm_you | i have hours of mp3 :) |
| 15:55.18 | atlas95 | me too, I will listen for my mp3 in train |
| 15:55.20 | maddler | atlas95: buy a cheap fm receiver and stick it on the back of your n810 :) |
| 15:55.43 | atlas95 | lol maddler |
| 15:55.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:56.08 | atlas95 | or I search a good electrician |
| 15:56.12 | atlas95 | for add it inside |
| 15:56.15 | maddler | atlas95: also... |
| 15:56.32 | atlas95 | and broke my garanty :D |
| 15:56.38 | maddler | a very good electrician anyway :) |
| 15:56.54 | maddler | you could try removing something... keyboard? :) |
| 15:57.02 | zoran | or screen |
| 15:57.09 | atlas95 | yes, for win little space |
| 15:57.21 | atlas95 | I think the screen is the better thing to remove :p |
| 15:57.47 | maddler | dunno... I'd vote for bluetooth :) |
| 15:57.56 | zoran | power up wifi and read it with minds |
| 15:58.19 | yabbas | doesn't the N810 already have a car holder in the box? |
| 15:58.39 | yabbas | also - FM is useless when everywhere goes digital |
| 15:59.00 | |tbb| | yeah but not that easy to plug in/out. i think after many tries you get scratches |
| 15:59.27 | zoran | how behaves kb on n810? |
| 15:59.27 | |tbb| | also its better to slide out the keyboard on the 770carholder |
| 15:59.35 | |R | FM is still fun when travelling in a train in a foreign country |
| 15:59.59 | atlas95 | we have a lot of radio in france .. |
| 16:00.18 | |R | T'es où en France? :) |
| 16:00.29 | atlas95 | val d'oise |
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| 16:00.37 | atlas95 | et toi? |
| 16:00.41 | |R | Montréal ;) |
| 16:00.49 | atlas95 | ha ... c'est pas a côté |
| 16:00.57 | atlas95 | :) |
| 16:01.01 | |R | hehe non :) |
| 16:01.22 | skibur | good morning |
| 16:01.27 | skibur | on my end |
| 16:01.28 | skibur | :) |
| 16:01.29 | rm_you | I was trying to use the n800 radio in Japan, but they use an entirely different set of frequencies so i could only pick up like one channel |
| 16:01.40 | atlas95 | |R t'as le n810 ? |
| 16:01.57 | |tbb| | anyone noticed on maemopad+ u have three type of boldness. pushing your stylus low on the tablet you get a grey line the more you push the more bolder it becomes |
| 16:02.13 | |R | atlas95 : pas encore non, j attend que les discount codes de nokias pour les développeurs soient activés |
| 16:02.30 | |R | atlas95 : (J'suis sensé avoir un rabais ... un jour ... :P) |
| 16:02.33 | atlas95 | ha mon pauvre ca fait un baille que vous attendez |
| 16:02.56 | |R | ouais :( |
| 16:02.59 | atlas95 | apres que le pere noel et ma paie soit tomber, je l'ai commander vendredi chez nokia |
| 16:03.07 | atlas95 | j'espere qu'il va arriver vers mercredi |
| 16:03.16 | rm_you | konttori: maybe it's my build setup that is wrong... when you build ukmp, what command do you use to make sure it knows to build in/for armel |
| 16:03.37 | |R | |tbb| : yep, the screen is pressure sensitive to... i think 4 level (?) |
| 16:03.55 | |R | rm_you : japan is all mixed up hehe :) |
| 16:04.08 | |R | (i'm going at the end of mars, just got my tickets, wooo! ;) |
| 16:04.11 | konttori | ukmp is python. |
| 16:04.15 | |tbb| | for what is it good for except painting |
| 16:04.16 | konttori | so, none. |
| 16:04.25 | rm_you | |R: lol yeah.... their cell phones don't use any standard frequencies either... so even quadband phones don't work there |
| 16:04.32 | rm_you | konttori: oh. right. dur. |
| 16:04.41 | |R | they're using some CDMA variant? |
| 16:04.45 | rm_you | yep |
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| 16:12.03 | |tbb| | |r| for what pressure sensitive touchscreen is good for |
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| 16:14.56 | |R | |tbb| : it's far from perfect, but still funny :) |
| 16:15.36 | |tbb| | anyway for what could it be good for |
| 16:15.58 | rm_you | to tell the difference between stylus and finger? |
| 16:16.03 | rm_you | no, nm |
| 16:16.13 | rm_you | they do that differently >_> |
| 16:16.34 | |R | well, push pull interface... |
| 16:16.48 | |R | drawing ... or ... 3d VR haha :P |
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| 16:19.31 | |tbb| | ah for example kinetic scrolling the more harder you push and up/down the more faster it runs. way to go for ukmp and kagu playa |
| 16:20.32 | wumpus | well you should be afraid of pushing to hard then :) |
| 16:22.43 | |tbb| | wonder if gimp will be ported to os2008 ;) |
| 16:22.49 | rm_you | *&@#^(*^#@!()#@ why won't this build >_< |
| 16:23.36 | rm_you | this is *so* frustrating.... I *THINK* if i can get mplayer to build with this one little change, a2dp will work soooo much better |
| 16:23.58 | |R | ever tryed running gimp over ssh -X? it's a bit annoying :P |
| 16:24.08 | |tbb| | much better means, lower cpu eating? |
| 16:24.53 | rm_you | possibly, but... less skipping :P |
| 16:25.17 | rm_you | though i believe that it will eat less CPU as a result |
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| 16:26.19 | |tbb| | R, is it possible to open apps from n810 over ssh on a nix box. ive logged into my n810 over ssh -X but the applications i started always runs on the n810 |
| 16:30.28 | alterego | |tbb|, tried setting the DISPLAY variable? |
| 16:31.19 | |tbb| | not to familar with x-forwarding |
| 16:31.47 | yabbas | which repo has x-server-xomap ? |
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| 16:39.53 | LoCusF | canola is pretty humorous to run over setting the DISPLAY + Xephyr |
| 16:40.29 | truent | ;p |
| 16:42.41 | timelyx | xephyr w/o alpha support? :) |
| 16:43.05 | LoCusF | guess so |
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| 16:52.47 | We | USB 2 Can Work With USB 1? |
| 16:53.22 | |tbb| | alterego: what should i do? |
| 16:53.32 | We | ? |
| 16:53.34 | We | yes? |
| 16:54.38 | We | ? |
| 16:55.19 | rm_you | We: yes, USB 2.0 devices will work on a USB 1.1 host |
| 16:55.25 | rm_you | but they will be slow |
| 16:55.39 | rm_you | and depending on the device they may not work entirely correctly |
| 16:55.44 | We | thank u :D |
| 16:56.05 | rm_you | for most stuff it is fine :) |
| 16:56.19 | We | friend |
| 16:56.25 | We | 1 more question |
| 16:56.34 | rm_you | ? |
| 16:57.17 | We | well where are u from? |
| 16:57.36 | rm_you | WA, USA |
| 16:58.08 | We | Well The N800/N810 Are Not Phone And I Can't Do Phone Calls Yes? Or Possible ? |
| 16:58.21 | rm_you | no, they are not like cell phones |
| 16:58.27 | We | How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That |
| 16:58.36 | rm_you | but if you are connected to a wireless network, you can use Skype to make phone calls |
| 16:58.48 | rm_you | No, it does not support Simcards |
| 16:59.07 | rm_you | it does internet using standard wireless, 802.11g |
| 16:59.14 | rm_you | no 3g/GPRS |
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| 16:59.20 | We | cos i found this: |
| 16:59.22 | We | http://www.my-symbian.com/other/review_n800.php |
| 16:59.38 | We | the N800 is not a phone. It does not have a SIM card slot and you can't make phone calls. And it's OK for a device that is called an "Internet Tablet". What I miss, however, is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only, like in PCMCIA / ExpressCard data cards for notebooks |
| 16:59.47 | We | friend is it wrong? or possible? |
| 16:59.50 | kpel | it would be nice to have a usb-2-ethernet cable so that you can plug the device to a router when there is no wifi around. |
| 16:59.57 | We | please read first up |
| 17:00.09 | shackan | We: it's correct |
| 17:00.22 | rm_you | We: i think you are misinterpretting what it says |
| 17:00.24 | We | so finally can i use a simcard |
| 17:00.26 | astro76 | We, how many times do you need to be told it's not a phone? |
| 17:00.29 | shackan | We: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo |
| 17:00.37 | rm_you | it is correct, in that you *can't* use a simcard |
| 17:00.44 | rm_you | you are reading it wrong |
| 17:00.47 | truent | the reviewer is polish, what do you expect?? ;p |
| 17:00.47 | shackan | heh |
| 17:00.50 | astro76 | We, as we said last night, he "misses" it means it doesn't have it |
| 17:01.00 | We | And Has It A Place For Insert That no? |
| 17:01.01 | hugolp | We: Im with you on that it would be nice to have a N800 with at least 3G capabilities |
| 17:01.13 | shackan | We: NO |
| 17:01.29 | We | and |
| 17:01.35 | truent | hugolp, it does.. just get a PAN phone to couple it with ;) |
| 17:01.36 | rm_you | No, it does *NOT* have a place for a simcard |
| 17:01.41 | We | What About Memory Cards? Is It There 8/10 GB (Or Higher) Memory Cards For These? |
| 17:01.46 | rm_you | yes |
| 17:01.50 | rm_you | 8/16G cards |
| 17:01.55 | rm_you | and it will hold two of them |
| 17:01.59 | We | wow :D |
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| 17:02.01 | rm_you | total possible 32G |
| 17:02.07 | hugolp | truent: well, I dont like carrying things arround |
| 17:02.11 | hugolp | I like to have all in one |
| 17:02.15 | kpel | if you add a mobile phone protocol stack(gsm or 3g) the battery will drain in a few hours :) |
| 17:02.23 | truent | rotatable 32.. you could have 100 16gb cards in your pocket ;P |
| 17:02.26 | rm_you | yeah, i have a motorola bluetooth enabled phone that i paired with it for internet :P |
| 17:02.36 | hugolp | kpel: so how in hell does smart phones exist? |
| 17:02.43 | truent | kpel, nah my phones battery dies.. not my n800's |
| 17:02.47 | rm_you | truent: lol, i love how people say "infinate storage" when something has a memory card slot :P |
| 17:02.48 | kpel | hugolp: smaller display? |
| 17:02.54 | shack | hugolp: me too, and when I have to chose what to carry, the tablet has to stay home because the phone has its spot already |
| 17:02.57 | truent | ahh you mean if it was capable |
| 17:02.59 | hugolp | kpel: ever heard about the iphone? |
| 17:03.08 | truent | rm_you, :P |
| 17:03.20 | We | yes i got ur means guys |
| 17:03.29 | kpel | hugolp: yes, have you compared its size with, say, n95? bigger battery in the iphone |
| 17:03.30 | rm_you | shack, hugolp: I bought cargo pants for that issue :P |
| 17:03.32 | truent | we, good man |
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| 17:03.48 | hugolp | rm_you: hahaha |
| 17:03.55 | We | guys |
| 17:04.06 | shack | rm_you: but you don't wear cargo pants everyday, do you? |
| 17:04.12 | hugolp | kpel: I dont like N95 |
| 17:04.15 | We | n800 and n810 can works without internet connection |
| 17:04.16 | truent | you mean you dont? |
| 17:04.25 | hugolp | I want a n800 like with phone capabilities |
| 17:04.27 | shack | We: yes |
| 17:04.33 | kpel | hugolp: sure but the topic was not whether you like n95 or not :) |
| 17:04.37 | rm_you | top left pocket: n800, bottom left pocket: phone, cables; bottom right pocket: GPS unit, more cables; top right pocket: wallet, keys |
| 17:04.39 | shack | hugolp: we all so |
| 17:04.43 | rm_you | shack: yes, I do :P |
| 17:04.43 | We | infact i haven't an wlan account and wanna use other things like mdia games linux.,,,, |
| 17:04.52 | shack | rm_you: go go gadget gizmo! |
| 17:04.58 | hugolp | kpel: then dont recomend me the N95 |
| 17:05.02 | fabe | hi, guys I've just setup my maemo 2.2 dev system, and my emulated nokia looks relly crippled, only hello wolrd application no hildon tools at all... |
| 17:05.07 | rm_you | errr, bottom left pocket is also my bluetooth keyboard |
| 17:05.14 | truent | lol |
| 17:05.27 | We | (20:35:53) (We) infact i haven't an wlan account and wanna use other things like mdia games linux.,,,, so possible yes? |
| 17:05.28 | kpel | hugolp: i didn't recommend anything. you mentioned smartphones, remember? |
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| 17:05.36 | hugolp | kpel: had enough |
| 17:05.41 | shack | We: what games? |
| 17:05.42 | truent | blackjack + n800.. good to go.. internet anywhere.. gps is on order but im keepin that in the car |
| 17:05.43 | rm_you | and actually, less cables... cables i guess are all in the bottom right one, just headphones in bottom left |
| 17:05.45 | rm_you | anyways, it works :P |
| 17:05.50 | kpel | plus the fact that the iphone is not 3g either. just gsm crap. |
| 17:05.58 | hugolp | still even if the battery would last so much I would like to see a N800 with phone capabilities |
| 17:06.06 | hugolp | *wouldnt |
| 17:06.21 | kpel | it would be nice to have, true. |
| 17:06.25 | rm_you | well, supposedly the next one after the n810 will have WIMAX |
| 17:06.27 | We | infact if i don;t have internet/gprs for that then can i turn it on and use other stuffs like media apps.... |
| 17:06.43 | shack | oh guys, since I heard the advice from someone in this channel that it's safe to leave the n800 plugged, my battery life HALVED, thanks :P |
| 17:06.49 | astro76 | We, no you don't need an internet connection for games or media |
| 17:06.57 | rm_you | We: yeah, i use my n800 for GPS mapping for driving, and for playing movies/mp3s! and none of that requires internet access |
| 17:07.00 | truent | shack, os2008? |
| 17:07.05 | shack | truent: yes |
| 17:07.19 | rm_you | i leave my n800 plugged in like 90% of the time |
| 17:07.19 | truent | i had probs in 'normal mode' on os2007.. os2008 seemed to fix |
| 17:07.22 | rm_you | no iddues here |
| 17:07.22 | shack | truent: I really hate it |
| 17:07.26 | kpel | lithium batteries don't like such treatment |
| 17:07.28 | rm_you | *issues |
| 17:07.34 | shack | truent: battery life was great before |
| 17:07.51 | truent | yeah need some cargo pants for the extra batteries |
| 17:07.52 | truent | ;p |
| 17:07.55 | kpel | lol |
| 17:08.08 | We | dear friend rm_you so it is possible to turn it on without an internet connection and only the desktop don't show internet news and...... YES? |
| 17:08.09 | kpel | a vest full of batteries |
| 17:08.14 | truent | hah |
| 17:08.20 | rm_you | once i get a usb charger cable for this thing, i have a USB battery pack thing that i already carry for my phone/gps |
| 17:08.21 | truent | please dont fly in the US with that |
| 17:08.23 | shack | truent: then some smuck here comes along and says "ion batteries like to stay charged" (before I would only charge when they were completely drained) and now batteries are fucked after just a couple of hours |
| 17:08.29 | rm_you | We: yes |
| 17:08.32 | We | :D |
| 17:08.38 | truent | hmm |
| 17:08.44 | rm_you | shack: erm.... |
| 17:08.52 | We | and friend 1 interesting thing |
| 17:09.00 | shack | rm_you: mm? |
| 17:09.08 | We | n800/n810 can shows SRT subtitle for the movies? |
| 17:09.10 | rm_you | shack: again... i've left my n800 plugged in for 90% of the time i use it, and 100% of the time i don't, and i still get 8days idle, 6/7 hours use |
| 17:09.11 | truent | yeah only thing i havent liked was the battery life issues.. but os2008 seemed to fix for me.. so i dunno.. i got into the habit of going into 'offline mode' when not in use.. that helped alot |
| 17:09.34 | rm_you | and i've had it for 4 months |
| 17:09.41 | rm_you | no battery issues *at all* |
| 17:10.05 | shack | rm_you: that's what the panel says (since it seems you always leave it plugged..) and did you actually use it that long unwired? |
| 17:10.07 | truls | We: probably with mplayer |
| 17:10.12 | rm_you | shack: yes |
| 17:10.13 | shack | s/and/or |
| 17:10.16 | We | infact i create a folder and put my movie and the subtitle into that and then can watch my avi file with my srt subtitle file? |
| 17:10.28 | shack | rm_you: so you had it running that long on batteries? |
| 17:10.36 | rm_you | shack: last week i was away for two days and i used it for probably 5 hours during that, and it still had some power when i got back home |
| 17:10.41 | We | FOR N800 And N810 |
| 17:10.53 | rm_you | and it was on / locked the rest of the time, never turned it off |
| 17:10.58 | fabe | hm I got only "home_ap_home_view" as the main application, maybee something with the locale... |
| 17:11.21 | rm_you | frankly, i've been amazed with the battery life >_> |
| 17:11.49 | rm_you | one thing to look out for is the online/offline mode |
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| 17:12.03 | rm_you | i leave mine in *online* mode almost all the time too |
| 17:12.04 | rm_you | BUT |
| 17:12.20 | shack | rm_you: well, before I could catch the train in the morning, watch a movie during commute, listen to mp3 on the way back, surf for half an hour or so in between, for two/three days straight, now if I use it in bed for two and a half hours (wireless set at minimum power) the battery status becomes RED |
| 17:12.34 | rm_you | if you have any ad-hoc networks saved in your connection list, or any bluetooth devices that constantly talk to it, the battery will drain quickly |
| 17:12.44 | We | The n810 takes up to 8GB of memory, while the n800 takes up to 32GB ! |
| 17:12.52 | We | n800 has more memory? |
| 17:12.57 | rm_you | yes |
| 17:13.01 | shack | rm_you: mmm, yes I use adhoc at home, how does it change batttery life? |
| 17:13.02 | rm_you | i think the n810 is kinda dumb |
| 17:13.12 | rm_you | it tries to connect to it ALL THE TIME |
| 17:13.20 | rm_you | it just eats battery |
| 17:13.26 | shack | rm_you: I'm connected to it and stop |
| 17:13.28 | rm_you | it will be "connected" even when it isn't |
| 17:13.32 | shack | it is |
| 17:13.32 | eber_ | rm: you can disable it in preferences |
| 17:13.33 | We | so finally n800 is better or n810 cos i want to buy 1 of them |
| 17:13.46 | astro76 | better is subjective |
| 17:13.46 | rm_you | even on the train if you look, it will be connected to your ad-hoc |
| 17:13.49 | shack | rm_you: so, it won't try to reconnect all the time, it already it |
| 17:14.04 | shack | rm_you: no, I use offline mode always |
| 17:14.08 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:14.13 | shack | (when I'm around, that is) |
| 17:14.14 | astro76 | We, n800 is much cheaper and preferable in a few ways, like the dual SD slots versus on miniSD slot |
| 17:14.20 | astro76 | *one |
| 17:14.26 | rm_you | well, that was the only issue i had, and once i discovered that, battery life went back to normal for me |
| 17:14.33 | shack | mmmm |
| 17:14.59 | rm_you | so you put it in offline mode, and the battery goes from full to zero in how long? |
| 17:15.04 | astro76 | We, which is why you heard 32GB, that's with 2 x 16GB SD cards installed |
| 17:15.25 | We | yes totally that |
| 17:15.38 | We | so n800 is better than n810????????????????? |
| 17:15.45 | shack | rm_you: when I commute it's almost always in offline mode and it lasts days, when I'm in bed I use the local adhoc network and it lasts barely two hours |
| 17:15.47 | We | confused :( |
| 17:16.24 | rm_you | shack: if it's using the wireless AND you're using it to do stuff, about 2-3 hours is expected |
| 17:16.25 | eber_ | n810 is better ! (just because i've got one) |
| 17:16.32 | rm_you | but in that case you should *plug it in* :P |
| 17:16.54 | We | eber_ how is ur memory card? good and the space? |
| 17:16.57 | rm_you | i can play videos for about 4-5 hours, but that's with wireless off |
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| 17:17.50 | shack | rm_you: when I didn't have to commute I remember I could take it with me in the kitchen and stream mp3s from my laptop for hours with half the battery (screen turned off, tough) |
| 17:18.02 | rm_you | yeah |
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| 17:18.05 | rm_you | i can do that too |
| 17:18.06 | eber_ | we: ? |
| 17:18.12 | We | yes? |
| 17:18.19 | rm_you | i listen to internet radio when i wander around my campus |
| 17:18.23 | eber_ | we: i've got a 8Gb micro sd, is this your question ? |
| 17:18.27 | rm_you | with the screen off and it is in my pocket |
| 17:18.33 | shack | right |
| 17:18.36 | rm_you | and it will do that for a long time |
| 17:18.44 | rm_you | cause it isn't powering the screen :P |
| 17:18.50 | We | example |
| 17:18.51 | rm_you | and the CPU usage is minimal |
| 17:19.04 | eber_ | at the moment, with the thing plugged all the time i've got no power issue at all :) |
| 17:19.08 | shack | rm_you: oh, anyway, anyone invented a way to use the button on the headphones to control the player ? |
| 17:19.12 | We | what is the Operating Time for n800 multimedia? |
| 17:19.32 | rm_you | We: what is your native language? just curious |
| 17:19.36 | We | n800 users must know it? |
| 17:19.38 | shack | rm_you: I could really use such a thing, not having to pick it out of the pocket just to skip/play/pause etc |
| 17:19.45 | We | Farsi |
| 17:20.01 | We | here is for n810: |
| 17:20.03 | We | Operating times* |
| 17:20.05 | We | Battery: Nokia Maps BP-4L |
| 17:20.07 | We | Continuous usage (display on, wireless LAN active): up to 4 hours |
| 17:20.09 | We | Music playback: up to 10 hours |
| 17:20.11 | We | Always online time: up to 5 days |
| 17:20.16 | We | Standby time: up to 14 days |
| 17:20.16 | We | what about n800? |
| 17:20.25 | shack | We: the same |
| 17:20.26 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:20.28 | rm_you | about the same |
| 17:20.44 | rm_you | except the standby time! idle time is about 8 days on the n800 |
| 17:20.58 | We | Music playback: up to 10 hours for n810 what about n800? |
| 17:21.11 | We | and also tell me the video time |
| 17:21.12 | shack | rm_you: mm, don't know, I never use the idle, I just turn it off |
| 17:21.21 | rm_you | which doesn't make sense, because all the rest of the times are the same, which means the battery should be about the same size... which means that number is bogus unless they made it almost 100% more power efficient in idle |
| 17:21.39 | eber_ | if you turn off device, boot time is very long (1 minute at least) |
| 17:21.53 | rm_you | yeah, i just leave mine on 24/7 |
| 17:22.04 | rm_you | it's been powered on for i believe the past 4 months that i've owned it |
| 17:22.18 | rm_you | it hasn't been off for more than about 5 minutes during that time :P |
| 17:22.25 | eber_ | rm: if you leave it 24/7, do you put it offline when not in use ? |
| 17:22.25 | shack | rm_you: wow |
| 17:22.32 | rm_you | no. |
| 17:22.35 | We | sorry to say more about it cos i want to buy 1 of them and still don't know what to do! |
| 17:22.35 | rm_you | i just plug it in |
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| 17:22.52 | We | n800 or n810 |
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| 17:23.09 | rm_you | as long as i don't have ad-hoc networks, i leave it in online mode and it lasts about the same amount of time since it isn't actually using any power for wireless |
| 17:23.09 | eber_ | rm: how long does it stays up without pluging it ? |
| 17:23.14 | rm_you | 8 days idle |
| 17:23.17 | astro76 | We, do you want to spend twice the money, just to add an internal GPS and slide out keyboard, but lose dual SD card slots? only you can decide ;) |
| 17:23.21 | rm_you | 6-7 hours use |
| 17:23.31 | rm_you | i plug it in every night when i get home |
| 17:23.32 | eber_ | seems good enough |
| 17:23.32 | astro76 | We, if you want GPS you can add a low-cost bluetooth GPS to the n800 |
| 17:23.48 | rm_you | it lasts me the entire day |
| 17:24.00 | eber_ | rm: but if you're in range of a known wireless network, it'll suck up batteries, isn't it ? |
| 17:24.02 | rm_you | if the battery starts to get low, i don't turn it off, i just stop using it and idle it till i get home |
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| 17:24.14 | We | well i want the best audio and video quality and specially the most operating time for use that |
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| 17:24.23 | shack | rm_you: you're an mplayer developer= |
| 17:24.24 | shack | ? |
| 17:24.25 | astro76 | We, it's the same in that regards |
| 17:24.30 | rm_you | if i go to somewhere that it knows, then yes i offline it unless i am browsing |
| 17:24.35 | rm_you | shack: sorta? |
| 17:24.40 | astro76 | We, exactly, except for the card slots |
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| 17:24.49 | rm_you | i did some patches for mplayer for x86 a while back :P |
| 17:24.58 | rm_you | and i compile it as a hobby :P |
| 17:25.07 | rm_you | not so much for n800 tho, until today |
| 17:25.21 | We | so the batteries time is the same? |
| 17:25.22 | rm_you | but i know a bit of the codebase |
| 17:25.27 | rm_you | We: basically |
| 17:25.36 | skibur | I freaking love linux |
| 17:25.45 | rm_you | skibur: same, <3 |
| 17:26.01 | rm_you | though I am on windoze now, cause of my job >_> |
| 17:26.03 | skibur | I'm compiling handbrake |
| 17:26.15 | skibur | there is nothing wrong with work |
| 17:26.20 | skibur | ;) |
| 17:26.28 | rm_you | it pays for my n800 :P |
| 17:26.35 | skibur | lol right on! |
| 17:26.39 | rm_you | err... well, and a lot of other things :P |
| 17:26.43 | skibur | I'm on slackware |
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| 17:26.52 | rm_you | a job that *just* payed for my n800 would suck, rofl |
| 17:26.59 | rm_you | i use ubuntu |
| 17:27.24 | skibur | I needed to create a slack package in order to use 'jam' to compile 'Handbrake' for media movie compression. |
| 17:27.27 | rm_you | used debian for about 4 years, gentoo for 2, and then came back to a debian based distro (ubuntu) |
| 17:27.27 | shack | rm_you: what kind of job? |
| 17:27.42 | rm_you | vetrinary application for tabletPCs |
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| 17:28.15 | rm_you | i'm a programmer >_> |
| 17:28.46 | rm_you | I dunno why i did ">_>", because i love programming :P |
| 17:28.54 | skibur | nice |
| 17:29.04 | rm_you | prolly cause i hate programming in VB6, which is what this job makes me do >_< |
| 17:29.05 | skibur | I will be graduating Fall of 2008 |
| 17:29.17 | rm_you | I'm Spring '09 |
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| 17:29.25 | skibur | Computer Science with Electrical Engineering |
| 17:29.29 | rm_you | heh |
| 17:29.34 | rm_you | just CompSci for me |
| 17:29.37 | skibur | nice |
| 17:29.45 | skibur | I'm on my Senior Project |
| 17:29.50 | rm_you | adding EE to that at my school == no life, no job, and PAIN |
| 17:29.54 | rm_you | me too :P |
| 17:29.56 | skibur | Creating a cheap butt game in Python |
| 17:29.59 | shack | what school? |
| 17:30.04 | shack | rm_you ^ |
| 17:30.07 | skibur | My group are all noobs |
| 17:30.12 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:30.12 | rm_you | same |
| 17:30.23 | rm_you | I'm a Junior that's a project leader for the SENIOR software team >_> |
| 17:30.34 | skibur | nice |
| 17:30.40 | rm_you | ONE of the 8 other people on the project even knows the language |
| 17:30.45 | skibur | Texas A&M University-Kingsville |
| 17:30.47 | rm_you | Trinity University |
| 17:30.49 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:30.51 | rm_you | TX :P |
| 17:30.54 | skibur | lol |
| 17:31.01 | skibur | Texas on the rise! |
| 17:31.02 | rm_you | I'm over in SA |
| 17:31.14 | rm_you | Kingsville? |
| 17:31.24 | skibur | Kingsville, Tx like about 45 mins from Corpus Christy |
| 17:31.24 | rm_you | what is that closest to? |
| 17:31.30 | rm_you | i'm not from texas originally, so |
| 17:31.41 | rm_you | i only really know where houston, austin, SA and dallas/fw |
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| 17:32.05 | rm_you | corpus is... southern? |
| 17:32.09 | skibur | yes |
| 17:32.11 | rm_you | like coastal> |
| 17:32.12 | rm_you | ? |
| 17:32.14 | skibur | yeah |
| 17:32.17 | skibur | right there |
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| 17:33.00 | shack | eek, all texans here? :P |
| 17:33.08 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:33.41 | fabe | Germany/Stuttgart :P |
| 17:33.46 | rm_you | hehe |
| 17:33.49 | shack | my grandma lives in houston |
| 17:34.03 | rm_you | SA->kingsville is 2.5 hours |
| 17:34.04 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:34.16 | skibur | http://www.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Corpus+christi,+tx&daddr=Kingsville,+TX&sll=27.79631,-97.40356&sspn=0.539381,0.933838&ie=UTF8&ll=27.689608,-97.630005&spn=0.539911,0.933838&z=10&om=1 |
| 17:34.43 | rm_you | oh yeah? well... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=San+Antonio,+TX&daddr=kingsville,+tx&sll=29.471883,-98.495178&sspn=0.616919,1.036835&ie=UTF8&z=8&om=1 |
| 17:34.50 | rm_you | i can link too :P |
| 17:35.26 | skibur | :P |
| 17:35.43 | rm_you | lol... me == middle of a big city. you == middle of freaking nowhere :P |
| 17:35.51 | rm_you | just judging by the street density :P |
| 17:36.13 | skibur | lol |
| 17:36.26 | skibur | kingsville is really small |
| 17:36.36 | rm_you | yeah, lol |
| 17:36.59 | skibur | You can drive around the whole city in about 15 mins + - 15 |
| 17:37.24 | skibur | depending on your speed |
| 17:37.29 | rm_you | heh |
| 17:38.11 | skibur | I'm from Laredo Though |
| 17:38.20 | rm_you | there are 5 HEBs within like... 2 miles of my school |
| 17:38.30 | rm_you | well, i'm from the Seattle area in WA |
| 17:38.46 | skibur | lol |
| 17:38.53 | skibur | HEBS |
| 17:39.19 | rm_you | i still think its funny how HEB has a *monopoly* in SA |
| 17:39.27 | rm_you | that CAN'T be good |
| 17:40.01 | rm_you | what if they raise their prices?! there isn't a different grocery store in the entire city!!! |
| 17:40.07 | skibur | well if you think about it, Wal-Mart is the same |
| 17:40.13 | rm_you | >_> |
| 17:40.24 | rm_you | walmart doesn't really sell food |
| 17:40.29 | rm_you | except at their "super" locations |
| 17:40.34 | rm_you | maybe if they start trying... |
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| 17:41.15 | rm_you | walmart doesn't bother me, because i haven't seen the point of retail outlets for anything but food, for several years now |
| 17:41.16 | skibur | In Laredo, Tx, there is 8 HEBs and 3 Super Wal-Marts |
| 17:41.37 | rm_you | FOOD monopolies bother me. FOOD is necessary to live. a bicycle is not. |
| 17:41.46 | skibur | agree |
| 17:41.58 | rm_you | and i can't order food from amazon.com |
| 17:42.02 | rm_you | i CAN order a bike :P |
| 17:42.08 | rm_you | or a *tank* :P |
| 17:42.25 | skibur | for the right price with a coupon |
| 17:43.11 | rm_you | yay for an opportunity to link this: http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1199036568&sr=8-14 |
| 17:44.00 | rm_you | and it has an underbody light kit :P |
| 17:46.16 | rm_you | do you know a CompSci guy there named Adam? |
| 17:46.25 | skibur | hum... |
| 17:46.37 | rm_you | i think he does a lot of 3d modeling stuff |
| 17:46.43 | rm_you | would be a senior or so |
| 17:46.52 | skibur | I know an Adam that is an Officer of the Computer Science Association |
| 17:46.54 | skibur | CSA |
| 17:47.00 | rm_you | ? |
| 17:47.02 | rm_you | student? >_> |
| 17:47.06 | skibur | yes |
| 17:47.12 | rm_you | Senior? |
| 17:47.13 | rm_you | ish? |
| 17:47.14 | skibur | let me link you to a picture |
| 17:48.07 | skibur | http://users.tamuk.edu/ksjas29/documents/pictures.html |
| 17:49.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:49.20 | rm_you | don't believe any of those are him :( |
| 17:49.21 | rm_you | ah well |
| 17:49.50 | rm_you | i actually wasn't sure which A&M he goes to, so it was kinda a longshot :P |
| 17:50.28 | skibur | o ok |
| 17:50.32 | rm_you | oh, i should ask this again in case new people got on / woke up / are watching irc now: |
| 17:50.37 | skibur | do you know a Mario there? |
| 17:50.48 | rm_you | anyone here familiar with compiling mplayer in Scratchbox? |
| 17:50.54 | rm_you | skibur: compsci? |
| 17:50.57 | skibur | yeah |
| 17:51.02 | rm_you | year? |
| 17:51.06 | skibur | not sure |
| 17:51.14 | skibur | he has long hair |
| 17:51.17 | skibur | and glasses |
| 17:51.49 | rm_you | know his last name? or part of it? |
| 17:51.57 | skibur | nope |
| 17:52.13 | rm_you | sec |
| 17:52.14 | skibur | he gives conferences |
| 17:52.46 | skibur | and help the guys from SA for the Competition at Denton Texas |
| 17:53.44 | rm_you | student? |
| 17:53.49 | rm_you | there's a mario in ITS |
| 17:53.52 | rm_you | not a student... |
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| 17:54.36 | skibur | yeah he is not |
| 17:54.47 | skibur | Think he was done by 2005 |
| 17:55.01 | rm_you | ah |
| 17:55.03 | rm_you | then possibly |
| 17:55.12 | fabe | I still get "Locale not supported by C library." inside my scratchbox DSK, any idea? |
| 17:55.13 | skibur | he finds bugs in programs and works with Metasploit |
| 17:55.33 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:55.57 | skibur | anyways, I meet him at a Dallas Con in 2005 |
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| 17:56.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 17:57.07 | rm_you | well, i do know a mario that works in ITS |
| 17:57.17 | rm_you | but i don't like.. *know* him... more know *of* |
| 17:57.20 | rm_you | :( |
| 17:58.24 | skibur | http://www.utsa.edu/today/2006/04/cyberdefense.cfm |
| 17:58.29 | skibur | know anybody here? |
| 17:59.21 | rm_you | no |
| 17:59.34 | rm_you | but i think those people are from University of North Carolina - Charlotte :P |
| 18:00.18 | skibur | yeah |
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| 18:19.42 | konttori | ukmp is in chinook extras now |
| 18:20.20 | shack | does extras work again? |
| 18:20.30 | konttori | the 1.71 version that is. Along with the playbin patch |
| 18:20.44 | konttori | repostory.maemo.org at least works |
| 18:20.53 | konttori | I haven't tested repository.maemo.org |
| 18:21.36 | konttori | 1.71 also has a completely irrelevant new eye-candy effect. |
| 18:21.54 | konttori | a bouncing ball ;) (just a test that I didn't just feel removing) |
| 18:22.57 | rm_you | rofl |
| 18:22.58 | rm_you | nice |
| 18:23.14 | rm_you | i'll install that now |
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| 18:26.04 | rm_you | this is getting *REALLY* aggrivating |
| 18:26.11 | rm_you | my ssh sessions keep dieing randomly |
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| 18:26.34 | rm_you | just right in the middle of me doing stuff... whether it's typing a file in vim, or playing a movie in mplayer, or just idling >_> they just DIE |
| 18:27.31 | Zic | hi, when will be fixed repository.maemo.org ? |
| 18:27.37 | rm_you | no idea |
| 18:27.43 | rm_you | switch it to "repostory.maemo.org" |
| 18:27.46 | Zic | I try to switch to repostory.maemo.org, or stage.maemo.org |
| 18:27.57 | rm_you | that doesn't work? |
| 18:27.58 | Zic | but it says that .deb is "corrupt" |
| 18:28.08 | Zic | (too) |
| 18:28.12 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:28.16 | rm_you | you must be missing something |
| 18:28.21 | rm_you | because it works for me |
| 18:28.28 | rm_you | are you using apt in xterm? |
| 18:28.34 | rm_you | or the application-manager gui? |
| 18:28.53 | Zic | in logs of osso-installer, I have an error about GPG-key of maemo-hackers.org repository, that's all ... |
| 18:29.12 | Zic | I use the GUI :) |
| 18:29.15 | rm_you | hrm |
| 18:29.42 | rm_you | i can't really help then, as i can't really tell what's going on :( |
| 18:29.55 | Zic | oh, and I'm on OS2007 |
| 18:30.00 | rm_you | AH |
| 18:30.01 | rm_you | no idea |
| 18:30.03 | Zic | :] |
| 18:30.05 | rm_you | 2008 here |
| 18:30.18 | Zic | hmm, flash time tonight so ... ;) |
| 18:30.49 | rm_you | well, i flashed a few hours ago |
| 18:30.56 | rm_you | and the "repostory" fix worked for me |
| 18:31.25 | Zic | your flashed with GNU/Linux operating system or ... ? |
| 18:31.30 | Zic | you* |
| 18:31.36 | rm_you | konttori: weird |
| 18:32.03 | rm_you | konttori: the video thumbnails are offset downward somewhat while it is indexing them >_> |
| 18:32.08 | Zic | because the only wiki about flashing with GNU/Linux in french is for the Nokia 770 |
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| 18:32.12 | Zic | not for the N800 |
| 18:32.24 | Zic | and it's for OS2007 upgrade ... |
| 18:32.28 | rm_you | are you using windows? |
| 18:32.35 | rm_you | the wiki is REALLY old |
| 18:32.40 | rm_you | i didnt find it useful |
| 18:32.47 | Zic | their is a page about OS2007 to OS2008 in english ? |
| 18:32.56 | Zic | oh, i'm running GNU/Linux, of course :] |
| 18:33.00 | rm_you | heh |
| 18:33.11 | rm_you | ok then, well... i don't think its especially different |
| 18:33.15 | rm_you | just use a different bin file |
| 18:33.24 | rm_you | konttori: errr.... |
| 18:33.27 | rm_you | konttori: it froze. |
| 18:33.47 | rm_you | wait, nm... weird... |
| 18:33.53 | rm_you | i hope it doesn't do this every startup |
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| 18:35.15 | rm_you | konttori: errrrr, what is the ball *supposed* to be doing |
| 18:35.24 | rm_you | cause it's acting REALLY weird on mine |
| 18:35.30 | shack | bounce maybe? :D |
| 18:37.26 | Zic | rm_you: I don't remember exactly when I must push the button for the flashing, during the bootime |
| 18:38.44 | rm_you | turn off, then hold the home button and then press power |
| 18:39.36 | skibur | any app for converting mp3 to aac on the nokia? |
| 18:39.42 | skibur | deb? |
| 18:40.03 | rm_you | errr |
| 18:40.08 | rm_you | mp3 -> aac?! |
| 18:40.10 | rm_you | why? lol |
| 18:40.23 | rm_you | ON the n800? that would be.... slooooow |
| 18:40.31 | skibur | o ok |
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| 18:41.07 | rm_you | it's like a 350mhz little machine :P lol |
| 18:41.09 | rm_you | poor thing |
| 18:41.12 | skibur | well, My Nintendo Wii had received an update that removed mp3 playback and now uses aac by default |
| 18:41.18 | rm_you | >_> |
| 18:41.25 | rm_you | wtf |
| 18:41.28 | rm_you | that's.... dumb |
| 18:41.35 | skibur | I know I can use Itune for the conversion, but it there a good command line converter? |
| 18:41.40 | skibur | yeah |
| 18:41.50 | skibur | freaking dumb as hell |
| 18:41.52 | rm_you | oh... i use "jinzora" as a media streaming system for my wii |
| 18:41.54 | Zic | rm_you: thanks |
| 18:42.02 | rm_you | it uses a flash mp3 player |
| 18:42.06 | shack | maybe (maybe) ffmpeg does write aac too? |
| 18:42.13 | rm_you | set it up on a server somewhere with your music |
| 18:42.21 | rm_you | it's "awesome" :P |
| 18:42.21 | skibur | o ok |
| 18:42.25 | skibur | will check |
| 18:42.52 | rm_you | http://en.jinzora.com/ |
| 18:42.55 | rm_you | looks to be down tho? >_> |
| 18:42.59 | skibur | I was a part of WiiLi.org cracking the SD card, but now I'm not for many issues |
| 18:43.00 | rm_you | weird |
| 18:43.30 | rm_you | :P |
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| 19:06.46 | rm_you | konttori: tell me when you're back |
| 19:06.53 | rm_you | i have questions/comments :P |
| 19:07.13 | dospod | sup |
| 19:07.27 | Zic | euh, question, the N810 can read/write any microSD class ? For example, a microSDHC class 6 works ? |
| 19:07.33 | Zic | a question of a friend ;) |
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| 19:08.49 | skibur | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote_Whiteboard |
| 19:08.57 | skibur | this guys is .... |
| 19:09.01 | skibur | just watch it |
| 19:11.40 | astro76 | Zic, yes |
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| 19:12.08 | Zic | astro76: thanks |
| 19:20.50 | rm_you | skibur: i may have to do that |
| 19:20.56 | rm_you | once i get my projector set up |
| 19:21.06 | skibur | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_vr |
| 19:21.10 | rm_you | wouldn't be too difficult of an addition |
| 19:21.15 | skibur | lee is going to change the world |
| 19:25.52 | rm_you | dear jesus |
| 19:26.20 | rm_you | I applied to Carnegie Melon... >_> they didn't let me in :/ |
| 19:26.48 | shack | mm, are they very strict on admissions or what ? |
| 19:27.03 | rm_you | fairly >_> |
| 19:27.14 | rm_you | my GPA was only a 3.2 |
| 19:27.21 | astro76 | it's like the MIT of computer science and robotics |
| 19:27.33 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:28.01 | shack | mmm, isn't... MIT the MIT of cs and robotics ? |
| 19:28.10 | rm_you | MIT is more like... |
| 19:28.12 | oil | that wiimote thing is really cool |
| 19:28.12 | rm_you | engineering |
| 19:28.17 | shack | mkay |
| 19:28.29 | rm_you | yeah, i bought a wiimote and bluetooth dongle to do stuff like that :P |
| 19:28.32 | rm_you | and experiment |
| 19:28.38 | rm_you | never got to really try much with it tho |
| 19:28.42 | shack | anyway, I tought the gpa in the us went up to 4.0, 3.2 doesn't look *bad* |
| 19:28.52 | rm_you | yeh, it does |
| 19:29.08 | rm_you | 3.2 is B to B+ range |
| 19:29.09 | shack | I wanted to buy a wiimote, but the stores had them at 30€ |
| 19:29.26 | rm_you | CM wants like... AAAAAAAAA |
| 19:29.41 | shack | uh, wtf |
| 19:29.47 | rm_you | and my SAT score wasn't *perfect* sooooo |
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| 19:30.05 | shack | and MIT then? AAAA++ ? |
| 19:30.12 | rm_you | MIT is about the same |
| 19:30.24 | rm_you | but MIT isn't really Computer Science |
| 19:30.27 | shack | I see |
| 19:30.28 | rm_you | it's engineering |
| 19:30.58 | rm_you | CM is kinda ridiculous |
| 19:31.18 | shack | ridiculous? why you'd want to go there then? |
| 19:31.19 | shack | ... |
| 19:32.00 | rm_you | because it's awesome |
| 19:32.07 | rm_you | because they do crap like THAT |
| 19:32.13 | rm_you | and self driving cars |
| 19:32.32 | rm_you | have you seen the DARPA challenge videos? |
| 19:32.34 | shack | ah, yeah the grand challenge |
| 19:32.38 | shack | I have |
| 19:32.39 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:32.45 | shack | there was a german school too |
| 19:32.58 | shack | and the MIT team completely failed it :D |
| 19:33.10 | rm_you | :P |
| 19:33.14 | rm_you | yeah, see? |
| 19:33.19 | rm_you | MIT vs CM... CM pwnz |
| 19:33.34 | shack | as they packed their cars with sooo much equipment the computers shut down for excessive heat |
| 19:33.48 | shack | (I mean, like, a couple of dual core xeons etc) |
| 19:33.48 | rm_you | i still liked the winner guy tho |
| 19:34.00 | rm_you | from Stanford? |
| 19:34.02 | shack | and regardless all that computing power, they did it all in C |
| 19:34.12 | rm_you | that was like... fsck hardware, we're software people ;P |
| 19:34.16 | shack | stanley? wasn't that last year? |
| 19:34.20 | skibur | The Wii has been Cracked! |
| 19:34.21 | shack | Don't remember |
| 19:34.27 | shack | skibur: mh? |
| 19:34.39 | shack | skibur: whaddya mean? |
| 19:34.40 | skibur | yeah |
| 19:34.59 | hahlo | shouldn't they use assembler then? |
| 19:34.59 | shack | it can run homebrew software now or what? |
| 19:35.04 | skibur | Homebrew can now be used on the Wii with Wii hardware |
| 19:35.08 | skibur | yes |
| 19:35.14 | skibur | check this out |
| 19:35.33 | skibur | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_homebrew |
| 19:35.37 | dospod | is it easy to port apps from it2007 to it2008 |
| 19:35.52 | skibur | hum... I will see what I can do with the Wii and the Nokia Internet Tablet |
| 19:36.38 | astro76 | wiimote would be a great controller for fceu |
| 19:36.51 | skibur | that can be done |
| 19:37.08 | skibur | there are drivers for it written on C |
| 19:37.14 | skibur | but I need a mapping app |
| 19:37.20 | skibur | like Glovepie |
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| 19:37.32 | skibur | which might be open source |
| 19:37.37 | skibur | we need a port for it |
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| 19:39.18 | konttori | rm_you: true about the video thumbs. I'll fix that. |
| 19:41.20 | konttori | rm_you: ball is there just to act as visualzation check for the reflection |
| 19:41.58 | konttori | I'll remove it from the next version, just didn't bother to do it yet. |
| 19:48.15 | konttori | it would be great if someone made the wii controller work for emu games. |
| 19:48.39 | konttori | otoh: even after that, we'd actually need a good emulator. |
| 19:50.15 | konttori | dospod: yeah, it's easy |
| 19:50.21 | konttori | the changes aren't that big |
| 19:50.52 | dospod | seriously even for a non coder |
| 19:52.04 | konttori | simple apps should be easy to report |
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| 19:52.47 | dospod | hmm |
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| 19:53.39 | Cptnodegard | can you film with the n800/n810 camera? |
| 19:53.45 | sikor_sxe | hello, how come there is no mplayer in my maemo extra repo? |
| 19:54.00 | sikor_sxe | did they remove the package? |
| 19:54.28 | ReverseGTR | sikor: I don't recall there ever being a mplayer for RISC distros |
| 19:54.45 | sikor_sxe | huh? |
| 19:54.56 | sikor_sxe | i am pretty sure there is one |
| 19:55.02 | ReverseGTR | sikor: I mean one ever compiled for the platform, maybe someone did |
| 19:55.03 | sikor_sxe | for OS2008 |
| 19:57.11 | ReverseGTR | sikor: to be honest I just logged on to ask some questions about N810 too. It would be cool if someone did contribute Mplayer to maemo repo. But if you can't find it there try searching on forums, I am sure somebody re-compiled Mplayer for some RISC based distro and has posted instructions somewhere |
| 19:58.11 | rm_you | konttori: still there? |
| 19:58.35 | rm_you | konttori: my question about the ball was "what SPECIFICALLY is it supposed to be doing, behavior-wise"? |
| 19:58.51 | rm_you | is it supposed to bounce to one side? |
| 19:58.58 | EY | mplayer has a reputation for being off the beaten track always. |
| 19:59.04 | rm_you | what rules does it follow? |
| 19:59.24 | ReverseGTR | sikor: I found one for older versions of the OS which may still work without bugs: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 19:59.35 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 |
| 19:59.48 | rm_you | MPlayer has been around on maemo for a LOOONG time |
| 20:00.01 | rm_you | for some reason they aren't updating their garage page >_> |
| 20:00.22 | rm_you | take a look at that thread, it has the install files for the new versions |
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| 20:01.00 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: thankyou so much, I am thinking about getting an N810 but wondering how well the Palm Garnet 5.4 VMware runs on it and if it is compatible with most 3rd party apps |
| 20:01.38 | dospod | palm is outdated |
| 20:01.41 | dospod | palm is outdated |
| 20:01.51 | konttori | rm_you: again here |
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| 20:02.05 | rm_you | konttori: so, what is the ball supposed to do |
| 20:02.09 | konttori | it's supposed to go away |
| 20:02.10 | rm_you | like, not its purpose |
| 20:02.15 | rm_you | the physics |
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| 20:03.06 | rm_you | on your n800, what does the ball do |
| 20:03.45 | ReverseGTR | dospod: but Palm still has a ton of sweet apps and Docs to Go is still the smoothest word proc for any PDA to date. |
| 20:04.28 | konttori | it's supposed to accelerate to down and left. It has a bounce level at 100px from the bottom |
| 20:04.36 | rm_you | hrm |
| 20:04.45 | rm_you | lol ok |
| 20:04.48 | rm_you | i actually like it :P |
| 20:04.50 | konttori | that's the physics. |
| 20:04.50 | rm_you | make it an option |
| 20:04.54 | konttori | ;) |
| 20:05.00 | rm_you | instead of disabling it |
| 20:05.10 | rm_you | but fix it so it always goes off the screen |
| 20:05.16 | rm_you | instead of stopping halfway off sometimes |
| 20:05.21 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:05.29 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: btw, has the N810 3D accelerator being taken advantage of with any apps? |
| 20:05.31 | dospod | palm is ok ,my dad has one and i wouldnt mind having it, it just feels and looks outdates,and i hear its not a multi threaded os |
| 20:05.49 | shack | ReverseGTR: not until someone gets the drivers |
| 20:05.57 | rm_you | wahg? |
| 20:06.06 | rm_you | the n810 has an accelerometer? |
| 20:06.11 | shack | rm_you: no |
| 20:06.11 | rm_you | i was unaware of that :P |
| 20:06.14 | shack | NOO |
| 20:06.18 | rm_you | OH |
| 20:06.19 | rm_you | like |
| 20:06.23 | rm_you | 3d graphics chip |
| 20:06.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:06.36 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: I meant any 3D OS2k8 compatible apps? |
| 20:06.38 | shack | why do people always cream themselves whenever they hear accelerometer anyway? |
| 20:06.46 | rm_you | what chipset is it? |
| 20:06.48 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:06.52 | rm_you | cause accelerometers ROCK |
| 20:06.56 | shack | heh |
| 20:06.59 | rm_you | have you ever played with something that had one? |
| 20:07.03 | rm_you | omfg |
| 20:07.04 | shack | anyway, it's a PowerVR |
| 20:07.10 | shack | the N800 has it too |
| 20:07.17 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: I thought the N810's OMAP CPU has a built in GPU that can handle up to 3mil pixels |
| 20:07.21 | rm_you | i almost did a senior thesis project based on something with an accelerometer |
| 20:07.32 | konttori | rm_you: will do (the fix) |
| 20:07.38 | rm_you | konttori: :P |
| 20:07.47 | shack | rm_you: it does (not sure about the pixel count tho) |
| 20:07.52 | rm_you | konttori: also, what ever happened to UKMP (not)Dark, anyway? :P |
| 20:08.20 | jeff1f | http://youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w This is a cool use of accelerometers |
| 20:08.37 | rm_you | accelerometers basically own you in the face |
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| 20:09.28 | kpel | they are nice for toying around but you wouldn't like to shake your phone wildly in order to find that friend of your in the contacts list. while you are on the train. |
| 20:09.45 | shack | I read somewhere the accelerometers in the wii were designed by an italian |
| 20:10.40 | jeff1f | are the italians accelerometer experts? |
| 20:11.14 | truls | at least one is |
| 20:11.22 | truls | i'd hope |
| 20:11.24 | ReverseGTR | kpel: well it can work hand in hand with a 3D touch based GUI like this one. For example can't find a file that is at the bottom of a huge stack of folders shake it out :) |
| 20:11.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:12.21 | rm_you | i was playing with a thing someone at IBM (i think) wrote that let you tap the lid of a macbook in a certain way (like tapping a beat to your favorite song) as a password to unlock it |
| 20:12.38 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: but day dreaming aside do any 3D Playstion emus work with the N800? |
| 20:13.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:13.27 | rm_you | 3d playstation emus barely work right with a PC >_> |
| 20:13.47 | dospod | lol |
| 20:15.10 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: I am not expecting to play FPSs, I don't think a game like FF7 or Harvest Moon won't be effected too much by lag |
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| 20:16.00 | wumpus | please don't use n800 and 3d in one sentence :) |
| 20:16.40 | rm_you | ReverseGTR: no. like, seriously... those games still don't play completely sanely on 2.4ghz PCs |
| 20:16.49 | dospod | lol mame barely plays |
| 20:16.55 | rm_you | the emulation is just really inefficient |
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| 20:17.13 | rm_you | an n800 doesn't have a chance in hell of emulating that stuff |
| 20:17.20 | truls | ReverseGTR: ff7 sucks with lag |
| 20:17.30 | rm_you | it might run a SNES emu, but barely |
| 20:17.33 | dospod | mine wont even open pole position in mame i only got 1941 workin |
| 20:17.36 | ReverseGTR | rpm_you: than how come they have no problems playing on a 1Ghz G4 Powerbook on top of bubbily GUI like OSX? |
| 20:17.50 | truls | OSX is built on opengl |
| 20:17.53 | rm_you | ReverseGTR: i'd pay money to see that |
| 20:18.04 | truls | well, maybe not related in this case, but... |
| 20:18.21 | rm_you | i've tried adripsx and epsxe and neither of them play any of my PS1 games without lagging or glitching |
| 20:18.32 | rm_you | and i'm on a dual core 2.2ghz machine >_> |
| 20:18.47 | wumpus | maybe the g4 is more like the psx processor.. |
| 20:18.49 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: ok thx, has anyone tried to run Tapwave games on top of the Palm VMware? |
| 20:19.47 | blast007 | Palm VMware? |
| 20:20.05 | ReverseGTR | I know Duke Nukem or Doom for Linux can probably run with no problems but games like Spyhunter and Carmagedon |
| 20:20.47 | ReverseGTR | I mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzZ1NdNduk |
| 20:21.37 | blast007 | VMware is a company that makes virtualization products for x86 systems, which is why I was wondering what you meant |
| 20:23.05 | ReverseGTR | blast: sorry, I should have stated it as just VM or virtual machine. Anyway, I think most of my questions have been answered so ya'll can get back to chatting about something productive |
| 20:24.12 | rm_you | heh, it runs Doom :P |
| 20:24.14 | rm_you | >:P |
| 20:24.32 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: what doesn't these days |
| 20:24.53 | alterego | The iTouch ? |
| 20:25.00 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:25.03 | rm_you | it should |
| 20:25.04 | alterego | Does the Iphone and iTouch do anything? |
| 20:25.18 | rm_you | my friend got his ipon nano to play doom |
| 20:25.23 | rm_you | *ipod nano |
| 20:25.28 | dospod | run locked down osx mobile |
| 20:25.32 | rm_you | it's ridiculous |
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| 20:25.49 | rm_you | like a 1.5 inch black and white screen |
| 20:25.52 | rm_you | and only 5 buttons |
| 20:25.54 | rm_you | but it plays |
| 20:26.01 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: you can zoom in and out by pinching your fingers :) |
| 20:26.16 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:26.21 | alterego | Yeah .. What a feature .. |
| 20:27.05 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: and flick through menus with its inertia scrolling |
| 20:27.42 | alterego | What good is any of that? |
| 20:27.52 | alterego | I can navigate menus and zoom on most devices .. |
| 20:28.02 | ReverseGTR | actually I a youtube video of someone putting every iPhone feature onto a Ipaq PocketPC including the inertial scrolling but unfortunately Apple removed the video from most websites. |
| 20:28.29 | alterego | That seems unlikely. |
| 20:29.06 | ReverseGTR | alter: intertial scrolling does make going through a long list with a touchscreen easier. And it can be implented on almost any mobile OS that has a GUI |
| 20:29.29 | ReverseGTR | and a 2D graphics accelerator |
| 20:29.51 | alterego | Says you .. |
| 20:30.01 | alterego | Can't say I've ever had a need for it. |
| 20:30.18 | kpel | is the web browser of os2008 opera-based? |
| 20:30.41 | alterego | No |
| 20:30.45 | blast007 | nope, gecko based |
| 20:30.46 | sibbe | firefox 3 |
| 20:30.47 | alterego | It's based on Gecko |
| 20:31.15 | ReverseGTR | do any of the Firefox extensions work on it? |
| 20:31.32 | sibbe | someone ported adblock plus atleast |
| 20:31.34 | rm_you | konttori: err... is there an exit button? >_> |
| 20:32.18 | sibbe | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:32.23 | ReverseGTR | and does it hog as much memory as its desktop counterpart? |
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| 20:34.46 | alterego | ReverseGTR, who cares. It renders better than any other mobile browser in existance. |
| 20:34.56 | alterego | And it works well .. |
| 20:35.37 | kpel | the thing is that i just copied my os2007 xchat settings to the os2008 installation and the url handler is opera. and it works somehow... |
| 20:35.46 | rm_you | except opera |
| 20:35.56 | rm_you | "It renders better than any other mobile browser in existance" |
| 20:36.04 | alterego | That's because the web browser is called "osso-browser" . |
| 20:36.26 | alterego | Opera is crap and slow. And it I've never seen it render anything better than gecko. |
| 20:36.49 | rm_you | i still use opera on my desktop >_> |
| 20:36.51 | kpel | the cmmand is like ''opera -remote blah' |
| 20:37.00 | wumpus | firefox for the desktop is a cpu hog though |
| 20:37.06 | kpel | strange |
| 20:37.07 | alterego | kpel, you're mistaken then. |
| 20:37.11 | rm_you | firefox likes to crash all the time and not display things right |
| 20:37.16 | alterego | There wasn't a file called "opera" oin OS2007 .. |
| 20:37.39 | wumpus | but I've never had problems with it not displaying things right |
| 20:37.57 | EY | What we really need is WebKit. |
| 20:37.58 | alterego | rm_you, I've never witnessed such problems. |
| 20:38.00 | ReverseGTR | rm_you: how is flash support on OS2k8's Geko based browser. Can I play games on Newgrounds or watch a video with higher quality then Youtube? |
| 20:38.03 | rm_you | it's fairly reproducable for me |
| 20:38.10 | rm_you | all i have to do is go to a website |
| 20:38.10 | wumpus | unless the site was designed for IE, then again, that's not standards compliant |
| 20:38.13 | rm_you | and BAM, firefox crashes |
| 20:38.26 | rm_you | it's done this to me through 4 OS installs |
| 20:38.29 | rm_you | three linux one windows |
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| 20:38.37 | truls | any website? :) |
| 20:38.39 | wumpus | did you file a bug (including that website it crashes on) with the ff team? |
| 20:38.42 | rm_you | almost any |
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| 20:39.07 | rm_you | what would the bug report say? when i go to one of these hundred websites, your browser crashes? >_> |
| 20:39.11 | rm_you | not especially helpful |
| 20:39.11 | wumpus | it might be some plugin then, ff itself hardly ever crashes |
| 20:39.22 | rm_you | entirely possible |
| 20:39.28 | alterego | rm_you, for you. But you're pretty ignorant aren't you .. |
| 20:39.30 | wumpus | maybe you've got an old flash plugin ,movie plugin or whatever on your system |
| 20:39.30 | rm_you | but firefox is just bleh without plugins |
| 20:39.46 | rm_you | alterego: you can think that if you want :) |
| 20:39.57 | wumpus | yes but you canhardly blame firefox for instability of third party plugins |
| 20:40.03 | EY | I think it's safe to assume that your FF installation was corrupt in some way. |
| 20:40.19 | alterego | I don't see how you can possibly believe that communicating a link to the mozilla team of a site that crashes FF wouldn't be helpful. |
| 20:40.24 | alterego | That's just ridiculous. |
| 20:40.33 | rm_you | a list of 100 fairly common sites? |
| 20:40.33 | wumpus | a clean install of firefox does not crash on any site |
| 20:40.44 | rm_you | unless i have some other sort of statistics, it doesnt help at all |
| 20:40.45 | alterego | rm_you, What 100? Give me a few. |
| 20:40.47 | wumpus | if it does, file a bug for that site |
| 20:40.54 | wumpus | indeed alterego |
| 20:41.08 | rm_you | lemmie open firefox |
| 20:41.44 | rm_you | well, for starters, yahoo.com, msn.com, aol.com |
| 20:41.54 | alterego | rm_you, your installation is broken. |
| 20:41.56 | wumpus | those just work |
| 20:41.59 | rm_you | probably, yes |
| 20:42.06 | alterego | Well, that's your fault then. |
| 20:42.08 | alterego | No one elses. |
| 20:42.11 | wumpus | I've been visiting some of those daily for a long time |
| 20:42.19 | rm_you | it's done that to me every time i install firefox |
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| 20:42.24 | rm_you | which is why i've given up on it |
| 20:42.33 | rm_you | i'm sure it works fine for a lot of people |
| 20:42.42 | rm_you | or else it wouldnt be popular >_> |
| 20:42.46 | alterego | Well, you're obviously not equipped, mentally, for using a computer then :P |
| 20:42.53 | rm_you | this is why i said a bug report wouldn't be helpful without other statistics :P |
| 20:43.02 | alterego | Meh |
| 20:43.10 | wumpus | it probably just hates you |
| 20:43.16 | alterego | It's probably a problem with your machine. |
| 20:43.19 | blast007 | firefox hates trolls |
| 20:43.25 | alterego | Your hardware, not software. |
| 20:43.37 | rm_you | also possible |
| 20:43.38 | ReverseGTR | So is OS2k8 on the N800s buggy? |
| 20:43.58 | blast007 | ReverseGTR: define "buggy" |
| 20:44.00 | rm_you | it uses such a huge chunk of my memory that if some of that was bad, it would have like a 90% chance of triggering something >_> |
| 20:44.04 | alterego | ReverseGTR, I'm still using the Beta and I have hardly any issues. |
| 20:44.08 | wumpus | anyway, a problem with one machine or person is hardly a reason to say that firefox is unstable :') |
| 20:44.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:44.18 | derf | All of the IT OS's have been buggy. |
| 20:44.22 | rm_you | it still randomly disappears on my n800, but not that often |
| 20:44.31 | sp3000 | rm_you: have you submitted crash reports? those often tell you how it's crashing |
| 20:44.38 | rm_you | like i was browsing just a few minutes ago and *bam* firefox is just gone |
| 20:44.39 | alterego | Gecko != firefox .. |
| 20:44.41 | sp3000 | (for firefox that is) |
| 20:44.54 | rm_you | err, well, micro-b or whatever it is |
| 20:44.59 | wumpus | if your memory is bad some much worse things could happen than a crashed browser |
| 20:45.14 | rm_you | don't really have other issues that i'm aware of |
| 20:45.15 | sp3000 | rm_you: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Talkback that is |
| 20:45.28 | kpel | any chance we'll get tabbed browsing in os2008? |
| 20:45.32 | rm_you | sp3000: don't believe so |
| 20:46.08 | rm_you | does microb have any kind of crash logs / dumps? |
| 20:46.22 | rm_you | i'd be curious as to why it just randomly disappears when i'm browsing |
| 20:46.40 | alterego | So, now you want to look at logs .. |
| 20:46.46 | rm_you | yea |
| 20:46.55 | rm_you | cause i don't have an alternative i can install :/ |
| 20:47.17 | rm_you | in this case, it's fix it or don't have a browser |
| 20:47.20 | rm_you | so i prefer to fix it |
| 20:47.48 | sp3000 | if you create a mmc1/core-dumps or mmc2/core-dumps things will core there, there may be a wiki page somewhere that may say if/how it's practical to get stacktraces, dunno |
| 20:47.49 | alterego | Well, it seems stable enough for me. |
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| 20:48.28 | kpel | speaking of bugs, does anyone know why the 'exit' terminal command causes the termminal to go blank and hang? |
| 20:48.30 | alterego | Obviously I don't go to these dodgy sites that cause you so much grief :P |
| 20:48.46 | sp3000 | rm_you: as for firefox, the kb article shows you how to get talkback IDs which you can get stacks for at http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/ |
| 20:48.54 | rm_you | it crashed on maemo garage about an hour ago >_> |
| 20:49.09 | rm_you | microb did, that is |
| 20:49.21 | rm_you | i have a feeling it's crashing on memory usage |
| 20:49.27 | rm_you | like, out of memory |
| 20:49.48 | rm_you | cause it seems to happen when there is stuff going on in the background |
| 20:50.39 | kpel | you mean it could be the oom killer? |
| 20:50.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:50.56 | rm_you | possibly |
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| 20:52.23 | kpel | can someone type 'exit' in a terminal and report what happens? (os2008) |
| 20:52.55 | rm_you | yep, hung / whitew |
| 20:53.09 | kpel | ok thanks |
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| 20:53.57 | ReverseGTR | so does the OS2k8 have SMPT support for the N810? |
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| 20:54.33 | sp3000 | kpel: yeah, it's weird, the app doesn't close, and opening a new window from its menu doesn't create a terminal in the same window so that behaviour seems rather accidental |
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| 20:55.15 | sp3000 | also, how come close this single window is missing from the menu's close submenu |
| 20:55.21 | ReverseGTR | I stated that wrong. I mean how many of the official apps are optimized for the dual core OMAP CPU? |
| 20:55.41 | ReverseGTR | as in official I mean apps that come with OS2k8 |
| 20:55.49 | kpel | sp3000, thanks |
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| 20:56.57 | rm_you | anyone else getting crazy lag on maemo.org? |
| 20:57.15 | sp3000 | not the front page |
| 20:57.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 20:57.29 | rm_you | weird |
| 20:58.46 | kpel | maemo.orgg looks ok to me too |
| 20:59.05 | rm_you | yeah it's responding better now |
| 20:59.12 | rm_you | must have been a hiccup on my side |
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| 20:59.23 | sp3000 | oh, interesting, the terminals are indeed rather defunct until the blank window is closed, hadn't noticed that before |
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| 21:02.02 | sp3000 | the cpu usage is a nice touch too :D |
| 21:04.44 | kpel | where is that? |
| 21:05.18 | ReverseGTR | sp3000: does it list CPU usage for the 2 cores seperately? |
| 21:05.28 | kpel | is it included by default? |
| 21:06.16 | sp3000 | kpel: if you mean is busylooping when exiting a shell closes a terminal, yeah, that seems to be built in ;) |
| 21:07.55 | kpel | heh |
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| 21:17.37 | torpor | yo .. anyone know where to get a nokia n810 in vienna, austria? as in, walk into the shop? please /msg me if so .. |
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| 21:22.02 | kpel | tried googling for nokia stores in vienna? |
| 21:22.10 | kulve | ReverseGTR: the dsp core of the omap2 is used for audio decoding and playback only |
| 21:22.47 | kulve | and audio encoding. |
| 21:24.35 | kulve | ReverseGTR: you can see some load info by "cat /sys/devices/platform/dsp/loadinfo" |
| 21:24.51 | macluvjay | hey, I think my n800 might be dead |
| 21:25.12 | macluvjay | it won't fully power on, and it doesn't seem to charge |
| 21:25.50 | macluvjay | power on gets to where the blue line at the bottom of the screen is all the wa accross, but no further |
| 21:26.02 | torpor | okay i'm gonna get an n810 this week .. ;) |
| 21:26.21 | torpor | /clear |
| 21:27.09 | kulve | macluvjay: you may try disabling life guard to see if it goes any further (assuming the battery is not empty) |
| 21:27.22 | macluvjay | ad plugging in the power adapter shows the battery/plug icons but that is it |
| 21:27.30 | macluvjay | kulve: how would I go about that? |
| 21:27.35 | torpor | unless there is a new nokia n-series on the horizon? |
| 21:27.44 | ReverseGTR | kulve: even though I am slightly bummed that the N810 doesn't have 2 general purpose CPU cores it is cools to know what it is optimized for. Has anyone ever re-encoded MP3s into OGG when using it? |
| 21:28.19 | kulve | macluvjay: linux flasher |
| 21:28.46 | ReverseGTR | topor: if you do buy one this week appretiate that all N tablet series devices are supported with every OS update, unlike other gadgets |
| 21:28.56 | torpor | great |
| 21:29.00 | torpor | i want to add midishare to it .. |
| 21:29.09 | torpor | i'm assuming its easy to code for? |
| 21:29.10 | kulve | ReverseGTR: it's no easy to write dsp code. And it doesn't encode mp3, only voice codecs |
| 21:29.20 | torpor | <-- dsp coder |
| 21:31.12 | kulve | basically nobody writes dps tasks for the tablets, just normal c stuff |
| 21:32.20 | ReverseGTR | kulve: does Vorbis have any voice codecs and how is its support for WMA? |
| 21:32.51 | kulve | vorbis isn't a voice codec, and I don't know what you mean by wma |
| 21:33.22 | ReverseGTR | kulve: Windows Media Audio |
| 21:33.35 | kulve | amr, g711 and g729 seems to be supported voice codecs for the tablets with dsp stuff. I've added speex with my ogg-support. |
| 21:34.43 | ReverseGTR | kulve: also when they say WMA9 has a voice codec it just means it converts one of the codecs you listed into a WMA to stream into WMP or MSN Messanger? |
| 21:35.06 | kulve | nokia.com says "Supported audio formats: MP3, WMA, AAC, AMR, AWB, M4A, MP2, RA (RealAudio), WAV" |
| 21:35.50 | ReverseGTR | kulve: ok, so what you are saying is the DSP core in the OMAP is meant to handle all the VOIP data |
| 21:36.37 | kulve | at least in the nokia's design it's so |
| 21:36.46 | kulve | for 770 it also decoded video |
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| 21:37.41 | ReverseGTR | kulve: but they took away that support for the 800 series? Has anyone managed to compile any other audio encoding support for it? |
| 21:38.09 | ReverseGTR | like torpor said about converting MIDI and so on? |
| 21:38.28 | kulve | ReverseGTR: I've compiled speex for the dsp but it was very slow. But according to the main speex developer it really shouldn't be that slow even when unoptimized |
| 21:38.47 | kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/08/31/speex-encoder-on-n800s-dsp/ |
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| 21:42.19 | ReverseGTR | kulve: its seems to be almost like a Coldfire or 68k CPU with the 23 and 40bit extensions |
| 21:44.18 | ReverseGTR | but it seems there is not much cache to store new strings, how much memory is allocated to the DSP? |
| 21:44.39 | kulve | the biggest issue with the dsp is the audio api that's closed source and not available to the community. I.e. you can't decode something on the dsp and play it diretly but you must pass it to the ARM side and then back to the pcm task in the DSP |
| 21:45.59 | kulve | ReverseGTR: sorry, I don't know too much about the dsp stuff. I think you can share memory between the two cores, but I don't know how much there's memory for the dsp core alone |
| 21:46.32 | ReverseGTR | kulve: thats surprising considering TI seems to be pretty open about sharing most of its other specs on the OMAP to the Linux community: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbusplashcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&contentId=4752 |
| 21:46.38 | kulve | Simon "lardman" Pickering knows more about these things. He's trying to get the ogg/vorbis decoder running on the dsp |
| 21:47.12 | ReverseGTR | kulve: interesting username, thx :) |
| 21:47.21 | kulve | ReverseGTR: yeah, but the problem is that the audio hardware codec is used by the DSP alone and the code for that is made by nokia and closed |
| 21:48.20 | joshin | What has Nokia's reaction been when asked to open source the codec? |
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| 21:48.34 | kulve | "no can do" |
| 21:48.40 | joshin | I can't understand why they wouldn't at least consider it. It isn't like it makes them any money. |
| 21:49.10 | kulve | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2271 |
| 21:49.15 | kulve | that's one part of the problem |
| 21:50.07 | kulve | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1592 |
| 21:50.11 | kulve | that's another part |
| 21:50.17 | kpel | joshin, are u sure? what about the phone business? audio is important. |
| 21:50.54 | ReverseGTR | kulve: I guess they are afraid that if they opened it, it would be reverse engineered so someone can release a competing OMAP based device with the same DSP features and then some. |
| 21:51.43 | wumpus | nah, it can be reverse engineerded already, the dsp binary files can be found on the device |
| 21:51.58 | joshin | As opposed to supporting innovation with their device to encourage greater sales... Sigh, stupid company. |
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| 21:52.09 | joshin | This is why I still have a lowly 770 |
| 21:52.27 | torpor | there is a lot of spook voodoo around phone-based chips and API's .. the NSA (YES!) won't allow phone co. mfr's who want to sell phones in America to open their code to anyone. period. |
| 21:53.02 | deejoe | "allow"? |
| 21:53.07 | deejoe | I wonder how that works. |
| 21:53.08 | torpor | yup .. allow |
| 21:53.15 | joshin | Yeah, I know. I can understand that from the NSA's position. Imagine being able to use the DSP to en/decode conversations using the DSP. |
| 21:53.16 | torpor | to sell phones in american markets, you need NSA approval. |
| 21:53.37 | deejoe | do you have some reference for that? |
| 21:54.01 | torpor | i have only my experience working in telecomms: 25+ years .. |
| 21:54.17 | deejoe | so, no. |
| 21:54.24 | ReverseGTR | torpor: NSA needs to install backdoor software on phones so FBI and other law inforcement can easedrop. And it has to be closed so nobody figures out how to easily removie it |
| 21:54.32 | deejoe | if I pass that along, I just get to say "some person on IRC told me" |
| 21:54.37 | torpor | i am bonded from revealing public sources, but they are there if you care to look, and go through public archives of telecomms approvals in the US .. |
| 21:54.54 | torpor | deejoe: you would be wise to research it yourself anyway. |
| 21:56.06 | ReverseGTR | torpor: NSA is not the only AOL has public databases listing indivisual's search habbits http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/ |
| 21:56.26 | kpel | ReverseGTR, no need for backdoors. networks proovide what is known as legal interrcepttion facilities |
| 21:57.53 | ReverseGTR | kpel: of course they would need that since it is an easy step for severs and need to track which site you logon to in order to plot the best route to get there me thinks |
| 21:59.15 | kpel | how does eavesdropping relates to servers? |
| 22:00.12 | kpel | we're talking about voice calls over the utran, right?? |
| 22:01.08 | ReverseGTR | kpel: I meant not servers, I mean the network and backbone providers. That sort data from different IPs each day. Don't that already have software that helps plot what hops a computer's data takes online to get to the infromation? And yes we did go way off topic |
| 22:02.29 | ReverseGTR | kpel: but why would a device like the N810 need to comply with NSA protocals? I thought it only applied to any device with a cellular chip? |
| 22:02.44 | deejoe | I think it's not NSA, but FCC. |
| 22:03.05 | deejoe | and the requirement is that it not be user-modifiable. |
| 22:03.06 | kpel | they probably can monitor a certain user's traffic but for call interception it's not necessary |
| 22:03.38 | ReverseGTR | deejoe: so if I buy an unlocked cellphone and use with AT&T thats illegal? |
| 22:04.15 | ReverseGTR | I mean an unlocked cellphone like Openmoko Neo or Motorola Ming |
| 22:05.33 | rwhitby | openmoko neo does not have a user modifiable gsm module |
| 22:06.36 | ReverseGTR | rwhitby: really, but I guess it makes sense if they want to make it commercially viable at all. So what are the differences in the DSP in the N770 and 800 series? |
| 22:07.59 | kpel | ReverseGTR, |
| 22:08.03 | kpel | ReverseGTR, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/11/greek_mobile_wiretap_latest/ |
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| 22:09.38 | wumpus | yes, the FCC requires any sort of wireless transmitting equipment to be closed source |
| 22:09.56 | wumpus | this applied to wifi as well as gsm firmware |
| 22:10.02 | wumpus | applies* |
| 22:10.19 | torpor | FCC = fingered by NSA |
| 22:11.27 | kpel | no surprise there |
| 22:11.32 | ReverseGTR | kpel: And this is the problem. Once closed source DSP is unlocked for malware purposes it can be allot harder to find a solution. Nokia should just open up N-series DSP on the CPU and any organization that wants to easedrop should put the money where their mouth is and hire some programmers who can constantly update it. |
| 22:12.20 | kulve | the dsp stuff is open except the audio api inside the dsp |
| 22:12.25 | wumpus | it's not really about eavesdropping, you could encrypt the traffic at any point.. the reason is that you can jam and corrupt signals with a modified transmitter |
| 22:12.32 | ReverseGTR | wumpus: if Wifi is closed Linksys was violating it by having users install 3rd party firmware |
| 22:12.45 | kulve | http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:13.00 | wumpus | ReverseGTR: even in that 3rd party firmware the wifi drivers are closed source |
| 22:13.23 | deejoe | Linksys doesn't "have" users install 3rd party software. |
| 22:13.36 | deejoe | users do it, but linksys doesn't say "go and do this" do they? |
| 22:13.47 | wumpus | it's really fine to install another operating system, as long as there is no open access to the transmitter equipment |
| 22:14.04 | kpel | even openwrt uses closed source code? |
| 22:14.12 | ReverseGTR | ok so I am comparing apples to oranges then |
| 22:14.16 | wumpus | for the wifi drivers, yes |
| 22:14.23 | kpel | ic |
| 22:14.36 | wumpus | the only wifi devices that have open source drivers are the 'smart' ones that have internal firmware that you can't tamper with |
| 22:14.46 | wumpus | the dumb ones that have no firmware need closed source drivers |
| 22:14.59 | deejoe | even with stock linksys firmware, one can set the "wrong" locale, which is probably illegal. But the user does that. |
| 22:15.19 | wumpus | yes, that would be a fcc violation |
| 22:15.32 | wumpus | but locale only makes a slight difference so I don't think anyone cares |
| 22:15.42 | deejoe | different power levels, no? |
| 22:16.06 | wumpus | slightly, and you have some more/different channels |
| 22:17.15 | wumpus | but gsm is more of a concern for jamming devices than wifi |
| 22:18.27 | wumpus | anyway ,none of these reasons explains why the N800 dsp firmware is closed, as it's not used for any transmitting/radio stuff |
| 22:18.52 | wumpus | so the FCC doesn't care about it |
| 22:18.58 | deejoe | nice save :-) |
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| 22:34.03 | unique311 | fecking ey. i need to install python2.5-cairo / -dev can't seem to install the damn thing. |
| 22:34.12 | unique311 | error size mismatched |
| 22:35.54 | unique311 | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pycairo/python2.5-cairo_1.4.0-1osso1_armel.deb Size mismatch |
| 22:36.21 | unique311 | manually downloaded python2.5-cairo-dev |
| 22:36.37 | unique311 | but cannot do the same for python2.5-cairo |
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| 23:15.25 | _|Nix|_ | Sweeeeet: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/29/1959244 |
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| 23:19.03 | thecrypto | Well...I just blew away my scratchbox by mistake, are there any mirrors/ |
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| 23:33.18 | alterego | Mirrors for what? |
| 23:37.56 | thecrypto | The maemo repository since the debs are broken. Or has anyone figured out a way to force an install? |
| 23:41.15 | rm_you | change the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildonwhatever.list file |
| 23:41.19 | alterego | thecrypto, use stage.maemo.org |
| 23:41.24 | alterego | Instead of repository.maemo.org |
| 23:41.34 | rm_you | replace "repository.maemo" with stages.maemo |
| 23:41.46 | rm_you | or repostory.maemo (no "i") |
| 23:42.24 | thecrypto | Trying that now |
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