| 00:01.48 | tsavola | i don't think it's focused to any navigation market, the gps chip is just there to expand the feature list |
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| 00:07.14 | astro76 | plus there's the nice car mount |
| 00:09.16 | kbsingh | astro76: 'nice'.... have you actually got a n810 ? |
| 00:09.27 | kbsingh | the car mount is a pain to get the device into and out of |
| 00:09.41 | kbsingh | and the only way to get the mount in there, is to screw it into the dash board |
| 00:09.47 | astro76 | no an n800, and yeah I remembered the thread I read about that after I typed it |
| 00:10.01 | kbsingh | not nice if you have a nice dash and would rather prefer the suction cup idea that pretty much everyone else in the world has been using for a few years now |
| 00:10.35 | kbsingh | also, for me ( SE London, UK area ) the n810 takes between 10 - 18 minutes to get position sync |
| 00:10.45 | kbsingh | compared to about 22 - 24 seconds for the TomTom |
| 00:10.59 | kbsingh | so i'd say the gps thing is mostly just something to add as a feature |
| 00:11.00 | astro76 | I never implied the n810 was going to be a success in the navigation market ;) |
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| 00:15.19 | jig | hi people |
| 00:15.29 | jig | anyone here? |
| 00:16.48 | K`zan_n800 | Speaking of which anyone know how to get maemo mapper to orient track up? |
| 00:16.59 | |R | setting |
| 00:17.13 | |R | on the right side of some tab (can't remember) |
| 00:17.20 | |R | you have a drop down menu |
| 00:17.29 | jig | im thinking on buying a used nokia 770 |
| 00:18.01 | jig | my friend is asking me for 150€ but i think its too much |
| 00:18.12 | jig | it seems a little bit slow |
| 00:18.30 | jig | does anyone know if it will support os2008^? |
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| 00:18.31 | |R | considering you can get something twice better for 200... |
| 00:18.36 | |R | that is still supported... |
| 00:18.58 | jig | |R: u are referring to n800,right? |
| 00:19.04 | |R | yep |
| 00:20.02 | jig | |R:the last version i find to download is os2006 from nokia.is it stable enough and good enough to run smoothly on the device? |
| 00:20.19 | |R | there is also 2007 Hackers Edition... but i never had a 770 |
| 00:20.43 | jig | seems kind of sluggish |
| 00:20.53 | astro76 | it is slower than the n8x0 |
| 00:21.08 | astro76 | and quite a waste of money at this point, just get an n800 |
| 00:21.43 | kbsingh | jig: play.com had the n800 for £129 |
| 00:22.02 | kbsingh | not sure if that deal is still on, but when it was - its the best nokia tablet deal |
| 00:22.34 | kbsingh | still there |
| 00:22.36 | |R | damn, you guys in europe get screwed a lot |
| 00:22.38 | kbsingh | http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3299981/-/Product.html?searchstring=n800&searchsource=0 |
| 00:22.44 | kbsingh | |R: thanks |
| 00:22.45 | jig | yes we do:-) |
| 00:22.50 | |R | haha :) |
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| 00:23.29 | kbsingh | btw, for those who are in the .uk |
| 00:23.49 | kbsingh | three.co.uk has a payg deal, £5/month for 2gigs of downloads at 3g speeds |
| 00:24.17 | kbsingh | i get between 80 - 120k/sec on there..not sure if its the device b/w limit or thats all on offer over 3g in my area |
| 00:25.10 | pauliukas | kbsingh, I believe that it depends on how many people are using the b/w at once in your area. |
| 00:25.22 | jig | |R: and nokia has officially discontinued support for n770? |
| 00:25.23 | kbsingh | pauliukas: yea, i'd guess so. |
| 00:25.44 | pauliukas | As in, they get a pipe to the cell tower and it's shared to everyone. |
| 00:26.20 | kbsingh | well, as long as i get >= 20kb/sec I am mostly happy on the move |
| 00:26.30 | astro76 | jig, correct, the 770 is no longer supported |
| 00:26.35 | kbsingh | most of what i need is email and irc and a couple of ssh sessions |
| 00:27.49 | jig | astro: but i can still get some software for it such as pidgeon and vnc,etc for OS2006,right? |
| 00:28.12 | benno2 | but why 10min to get sync ? this is a joke |
| 00:28.27 | |R | jig: yep, check garage.maemo.org |
| 00:28.31 | astro76 | jig, there is also OS2007 hacker edition |
| 00:28.37 | benno2 | how does nokia hope to make any sales to people looking for a tomtom replacement |
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| 00:29.49 | jig | |R: tks |
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| 00:30.37 | pauliukas | astro76, How can I install hacker edition? |
| 00:30.47 | pauliukas | I've been trying to ask people here and they all keep replying that I can't. |
| 00:30.50 | kbsingh | benno2: you know something odd, 10 min is no problem - atleast for me |
| 00:31.04 | kbsingh | i know the roads around where i live, and dont normally need navigational aid in the immediate area :D |
| 00:31.07 | kbsingh | but yes, kinda irritating |
| 00:31.34 | astro76 | pauliukas, dunno, I don't have one |
| 00:31.36 | benno2 | I see, so basically you can program your route and just drive away having your n810 coming up after 10min ? |
| 00:32.03 | jig | astro76: os2007 he is installed in it right now and it seems kinda sluggish.i was hoping that with os2006 original would be smoother. i wouldnt mind having less eye.candy |
| 00:32.42 | astro76 | jig, I wouldn't expect it to be faster with 2006 |
| 00:33.02 | astro76 | jig, the real problem is slower CPU and half the RAM |
| 00:33.28 | fugitivo | I have the same issue |
| 00:33.39 | pauliukas | come on people. |
| 00:33.41 | fugitivo | using 2007 HE and thinking about installing os 2006 again |
| 00:33.47 | pauliukas | Its a bloody computer in the palm of your hand. |
| 00:33.54 | pauliukas | How fast do you want it to be. |
| 00:34.15 | fugitivo | we know the 770 is not fast, but at least i want it stable |
| 00:34.24 | fugitivo | with os 2007 HE is far from being stable |
| 00:34.28 | pauliukas | Which is why I want 2007 HE |
| 00:34.33 | pauliukas | Opera on 2006 is always crashing on mee |
| 00:34.46 | fugitivo | well, it keeps crashing |
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| 00:35.00 | fugitivo | the problem with the browser is the low memory of the device |
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| 00:35.11 | jig | :-( |
| 00:35.26 | kbsingh | benno2: hang on a min :D |
| 00:35.29 | fugitivo | some sites takes all memory and crashes the browser (or reboot the device) |
| 00:35.30 | |tbb| | anyone familar with x forwarding? |
| 00:35.35 | kbsingh | benno2: you _cant_ program navigation on the n810 |
| 00:35.37 | kbsingh | you get maps |
| 00:35.38 | pauliukas | kinda |
| 00:35.46 | kbsingh | and you get a gpsd talking gps |
| 00:35.54 | kbsingh | you dont get navigational and routing s/w |
| 00:35.57 | kbsingh | thats $$$$ more |
| 00:36.13 | benno2 | kbsingh: yes I mean in conjunction with the voice enabled navigation |
| 00:36.15 | jig | so cpu is lower and so is the ram |
| 00:36.16 | jig | bummer |
| 00:36.28 | pauliukas | jig, 770 is 216MHz with 64MB RAM |
| 00:36.38 | fugitivo | |tbb|: what do you need? |
| 00:36.40 | pauliukas | n800 is 300-something MHz and 128MB RAM |
| 00:36.49 | astro76 | n800 is 400 MHz with os2008 |
| 00:36.59 | pauliukas | I use my 770 daily and it's fast enoug |
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| 00:37.10 | jig | uff...its a big difference |
| 00:37.13 | fugitivo | jig: the difference between the 770 and n800 is BIG |
| 00:37.14 | benno2 | astro76: can this mhz boot on os2008 be felt in the real world ? |
| 00:37.24 | astro76 | benno2, oh yeah |
| 00:37.25 | jig | pauliukas: what do you use it for? |
| 00:37.36 | fugitivo | jig: I have the 770 and when I use my friend's n800 I feel in heaven :) |
| 00:37.44 | pauliukas | jig, Web browsing, PIM, SSH, note taking and as a clock |
| 00:37.51 | pauliukas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800 |
| 00:37.56 | pauliukas | 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420 |
| 00:38.01 | benno2 | astro76: did you test vnc on os2008 ? is it fast ? |
| 00:38.06 | astro76 | pauliukas, it's underclocked to 330 |
| 00:38.07 | pauliukas | Paulius:1 astro76: 0 |
| 00:38.16 | pauliukas | Is there a way to overclock? |
| 00:38.26 | astro76 | pauliukas, it's set to 400 by just running os2008 |
| 00:38.26 | pauliukas | Without doing damage or heat or something? |
| 00:38.30 | hugolp | pauliukas: OS2008 sets the processor to 400Mhz |
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| 00:38.34 | astro76 | it's the same processor as the n810 |
| 00:38.37 | astro76 | exactly |
| 00:38.37 | pauliukas | oh okay. |
| 00:38.44 | pauliukas | So why is it set to 330 in the 1st place? |
| 00:38.49 | pauliukas | Heat? Battery life? Stability? |
| 00:38.55 | astro76 | they felt the power management improved to allow enabling the faster speed is all |
| 00:38.56 | hugolp | pauliukas: ask nokia |
| 00:38.56 | jig | fugitivo: so is it allways sluggish no matter the OS? |
| 00:38.59 | astro76 | without impacting battery life |
| 00:39.33 | astro76 | pauliukas, yes, just battery life |
| 00:39.57 | pauliukas | But how much does it impact? |
| 00:39.58 | kbsingh | jig: I've been using claws-mail for a few days, and thats not really sluggish at all |
| 00:40.01 | pauliukas | Not a lot or lot? |
| 00:40.06 | kbsingh | and i get a lot of email, like 800 - 1200 / day |
| 00:40.29 | fugitivo | jig: that depends, you can't use it with a lot of programs at the same time |
| 00:40.29 | pauliukas | wow. |
| 00:40.29 | astro76 | pauliukas, well, battery life seems the same, but it seems a lot snappier with os2008, so two thumbs up ;) |
| 00:40.42 | pauliukas | Hah. Stupid nokians |
| 00:41.13 | pauliukas | I really want to see the meeting where they went "If you made the device 2 times slower, we could gain 10 minutes of battery" |
| 00:41.17 | pauliukas | And someone had to go "hmmmm" |
| 00:41.50 | tsavola | err, it's a mobile device |
| 00:42.02 | tsavola | it's not even a laptop |
| 00:42.05 | astro76 | well 330 vs 400 is not 2 times slower |
| 00:42.09 | astro76 | but yeah, battery life is king |
| 00:42.32 | fugitivo | i think n800 and n810 cpu power and ram is enough |
| 00:42.39 | fugitivo | 770 isn't |
| 00:43.01 | pauliukas | My 770 works wonderfully. |
| 00:43.05 | benno2 | is it normal that the nokia 2006 updater for the n770 (on windows) tells me required time to install : 2h. is seems to download the image from the internet first and the network monitor seems to show 16KB/sec, though I haver 2Mbit |
| 00:43.08 | pauliukas | You people are just simply spoiled. |
| 00:43.23 | astro76 | pauliukas, we are definitely ;) |
| 00:43.23 | tsavola | i like my core2duo |
| 00:43.27 | fugitivo | pauliukas: did you try the n800? |
| 00:43.32 | pauliukas | benno2, Probably overloaded server or living too far from the server. |
| 00:43.33 | astro76 | and the 770 is by no means worthless, but I wouldn't buy one now |
| 00:43.34 | tsavola | both 770 and n800 are slow |
| 00:43.34 | pauliukas | fugitivo, No. |
| 00:43.52 | fugitivo | pauliukas: well, it's a BIG difference :) |
| 00:44.18 | fugitivo | 770 screen is not as sensitive as n800, speed in the 770 is really slow |
| 00:44.39 | fugitivo | tsavola: n800 is ok |
| 00:44.51 | benno2 | how is the video performance of the n800. I heard the video bandwidth is less than the one of the n770 ? |
| 00:45.16 | tsavola | my gf preferred 770 to n800 for web browsing, but i think it was partially due to the number of crashes |
| 00:45.20 | astro76 | benno2, supposedly there's an issue with >25 fps, not sure really |
| 00:45.31 | astro76 | seems perfect to me if I encode within 400x240 window |
| 00:45.32 | jig | can i see divx in 770? |
| 00:45.37 | pauliukas | no |
| 00:45.41 | astro76 | jig, give it up :p |
| 00:45.42 | pauliukas | And probably not in 800 either |
| 00:45.48 | pauliukas | Divx takes too much processing power. |
| 00:45.51 | astro76 | sure it works with mplayer |
| 00:45.55 | benno2 | astro76: 400x240 should be watchable, isn't it ? |
| 00:46.07 | pauliukas | Just get an iPod touch or the ipod video |
| 00:46.14 | astro76 | benno2, it is, I use 400x240 xvid/divx with mplayer |
| 00:46.19 | astro76 | it's perfect |
| 00:46.21 | fugitivo | it's an internet tablet, not multimedia tablet :) |
| 00:46.36 | benno2 | astro76: and you use 770encode.pl ? |
| 00:46.41 | benno2 | to make the videos |
| 00:46.42 | astro76 | it's wonderful for multimedia, why label? :p |
| 00:46.43 | pauliukas | Stupid sluggish Internet. Download only 49% done! |
| 00:46.53 | astro76 | benno2, just mencoder by hand so far ;) |
| 00:47.07 | tsavola | fugitivo: actually afair it was advertised as a multimedia device |
| 00:47.20 | benno2 | astro76: still wondering what are the best parameters. assuming you want best quality. filesize does not matter |
| 00:47.27 | fugitivo | tsavola: really? when? |
| 00:47.36 | tsavola | fugitivo: back when 770 was launched |
| 00:47.47 | tsavola | fugitivo: at least that's the impression i got |
| 00:47.47 | fugitivo | tsavola: are you sure? i don't remember that |
| 00:47.49 | pauliukas | Multimedia as in MP3 player. |
| 00:47.54 | tsavola | multimedia as in video |
| 00:47.56 | pauliukas | And web radio |
| 00:48.00 | astro76 | benno2, it seems that as long as you are within 400x240, you can leave the framerate the same, and the video bitrate can be way more than necessary with no problems |
| 00:48.42 | fugitivo | all advertisement i saw was web browsing, chat and internet radio, everything else is a plus :) |
| 00:48.43 | tsavola | anyway, i'll go to bed -> |
| 00:49.14 | benno2 | astro76: cool. as soon as I will get one I will play around with it. |
| 00:49.29 | astro76 | benno2,example for a 16/9 aspect video at 23.98 fps: mencoder $FILENAME -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=16/9:keyint=250:vbitrate=768:vpass=1 -vf scale=400:224 -idx -ffourcc DX50 -ofps 23.98 -o ${BASENAME}.tablet.avi |
| 00:49.50 | jig | astro: sorry,just wanted to be sure |
| 00:49.52 | astro76 | one key is using cbr for the mp3 audio |
| 00:49.55 | jig | before saying no |
| 00:49.58 | benno2 | astro76: thanks. saving the cmdline opts to a file :) |
| 00:49.58 | astro76 | keeps the audio/video synced |
| 00:51.16 | astro76 | this applies to pcs, not just tablets |
| 00:54.46 | fugitivo | anyone waiting for n810 discount codes? |
| 00:55.26 | jig | ok,one more:-) |
| 00:55.38 | jig | 2008 hackers edition could be considered stable? |
| 00:55.39 | kbsingh | fugitivo: I dont mind one, if you have one to spare |
| 00:55.50 | astro76 | jig, I don't think there is such a thing |
| 00:55.59 | jig | sorry |
| 00:56.01 | jig | i meant 2007 |
| 00:56.06 | fugitivo | jig: hacker edition != stable |
| 00:56.09 | jig | im typing in the dark :-) |
| 00:56.43 | sp3000 | holy crap, I'm getting all sorts of credible debs from the regular repository foo |
| 00:59.13 | jig | ok...so i have a conclusion |
| 00:59.16 | sp3000 | meh, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz is still broken for me |
| 00:59.18 | kbsingh | anyone care to shed light on whats the diff between a class 2, a class 4 and a class 6 minishdc 4gb card from kingston |
| 00:59.20 | jig | thanks alot for your help |
| 00:59.57 | jig | :-) |
| 01:00.08 | jig | 150€ is alot of money for n770 |
| 01:00.15 | astro76 | kbsingh, the class numbering is the minimum write speed in MB/s |
| 01:00.26 | steri | does n800 support 16gb cards? |
| 01:00.43 | astro76 | I think it should |
| 01:00.55 | legind | steri, not officially, officially it supports SD cards, not SDHC, so <= 2GB |
| 01:00.56 | kbsingh | the n810 specs seem to say 8gb max |
| 01:01.08 | astro76 | officially OS2008 does support SDHC |
| 01:01.14 | legind | oh fo real? |
| 01:01.15 | kbsingh | and > 2 gb needs SDHC |
| 01:01.15 | legind | nice |
| 01:01.18 | astro76 | indeed |
| 01:01.35 | astro76 | but I've only seen 8GB mentioned, probably because no one could test with 16GB cards |
| 01:01.49 | astro76 | the current SDHC spec goes up to 16GB |
| 01:02.03 | steri | I'm getting 2 16g in couple weeks :P 25 euros each |
| 01:02.15 | kbsingh | steri: where from ? |
| 01:02.19 | astro76 | I just got another 8gb with a nice rebate |
| 01:02.43 | steri | kbsingh: china |
| 01:02.48 | kbsingh | pass |
| 01:02.49 | kbsingh | :D |
| 01:02.53 | astro76 | hehe yeah |
| 01:02.57 | legind | how much do 8gb sdhc cost |
| 01:03.00 | steri | It's from co-worker relative etc |
| 01:03.02 | legind | on average, usd |
| 01:03.38 | astro76 | legind, I have two of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293 |
| 01:03.58 | legind | wow thats hella cheap |
| 01:04.50 | kbsingh | its double the price in the UK |
| 01:05.02 | kbsingh | as in, its more expensive in the UK |
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| 01:13.36 | kbsingh | are all SDHC cards == miniSD ? |
| 01:13.48 | kbsingh | or might i get stuck with a full size SD card that i cant use in the n810 |
| 01:14.10 | deejoe | I think there are SDHC cards that are full-sized |
| 01:14.27 | astro76 | SDHC is full sized like SD |
| 01:14.35 | astro76 | there's SDHC miniSDHC and microSDHC |
| 01:14.41 | astro76 | you should only buy microSDHC for the n810 |
| 01:14.48 | astro76 | because miniSDHC is a dead format |
| 01:15.00 | kbsingh | humm kingston using their web configurator, knows the n810 and gives me a SDHC as the best fit |
| 01:15.04 | astro76 | *with a miniSD adapter of course |
| 01:15.22 | kbsingh | astro76: well, it cant be dead if it works in the device |
| 01:15.38 | astro76 | kbsingh, meaning no devices are going to be using it really anymore, phones are using micro |
| 01:16.03 | astro76 | there's not many models available and probably won't be |
| 01:16.12 | kbsingh | fair enough |
| 01:16.30 | kbsingh | btw, anyone have fuse working with os2008 ? |
| 01:16.35 | kbsingh | be nice to get sshfs working |
| 01:17.28 | astro76 | haven't tried that yet |
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| 01:20.44 | bender183 | hi |
| 01:22.02 | deejoe | talk about dead formats: I got a camera that uses CF. I found exactly one piece at each of two places I looked. |
| 01:22.37 | astro76 | high end cameras still use CF though don't they? |
| 01:23.51 | astro76 | yeah I guess not popular enough for local stores |
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| 01:25.37 | bender183 | cf is still good for certain things =) |
| 01:25.43 | bender183 | like embedded devices |
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| 01:27.09 | astro76 | yep, have one in my router |
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| 01:28.14 | bender183 | yep me2 |
| 01:28.23 | bender183 | other than that...useless |
| 01:28.44 | bender183 | im interested in seeing the minisd capacity pick up the pace now that i have the n810 |
| 01:29.50 | |R | i have a microSDHC 8GB -> topram micro->mini converter->nokia's mini->fullSD converter -> n800, that works :) |
| 01:30.18 | bender183 | nice |
| 01:30.20 | |R | miniSDHC only goes up to 4GB :( |
| 01:30.38 | |R | and i too think this is a dead end format... |
| 01:30.40 | astro76 | yep exactly |
| 01:30.46 | bender183 | im surprised more has not been invested in minisd |
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| 01:31.04 | |R | kind of pointless as device got too small to quick now |
| 01:31.28 | astro76 | and there's micro to mini adapters so it's moot point |
| 01:31.49 | |R | of course they could easily fit 16GB in a miniSD right now but they don't ... go figure |
| 01:31.50 | bender183 | =| |
| 01:32.07 | bender183 | yeah i wonder who is pulling the strings sometimes |
| 01:32.11 | |R | (like they could release 32GB SDHC card ... but don't to make more money...) |
| 01:32.13 | bender183 | they dont make very good decsisions |
| 01:32.37 | pauliukas | Because it's life. |
| 01:32.39 | pauliukas | Same thing with RAM. |
| 01:32.49 | pauliukas | In my computer, I have a 2GB DIMM of DDR2. |
| 01:32.58 | pauliukas | A year ago, it costed $700! Now it costs $120 |
| 01:33.15 | pauliukas | The manufacturing date from my dimm is the same date as when it used to cost 700. |
| 01:33.16 | |R | hehe |
| 01:33.17 | pauliukas | Go figure. |
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| 01:33.35 | pauliukas | It's mostly R&D and some other stuff. |
| 01:33.42 | astro76 | I've read RAM pricing fluctuates as a commodity |
| 01:33.50 | pauliukas | But I wish everything wasn't as cheap as it is today. |
| 01:33.59 | pauliukas | Let's have quality components made somewhere else than China. |
| 01:34.50 | hugolp | pauliukas: you really think the chinese can not make quality stuff? |
| 01:34.56 | pauliukas | of course. |
| 01:34.57 | hugolp | the problem is not chinese, the problem is price |
| 01:35.44 | hugolp | the problem is company that will sell the cheapest stuff they find |
| 01:35.47 | hugolp | and thats all |
| 01:35.48 | |R | and careless chinese politics |
| 01:36.12 | hugolp | |R: careless and politics in the same sentence is redundant |
| 01:36.18 | |R | yeah sorry ;0 |
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| 01:36.25 | |R | ;) |
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| 01:44.20 | kbsingh | i dont think all ram is made in China |
| 01:44.28 | kbsingh | lots of it comes from Taiwan and Korea as well |
| 01:45.24 | kbsingh | but the fact that just a few companies control pretty much all of it, is scary. and iirc didnt someone get busted in the rear end by the US DoJ and the French MRTP guys for price fixing ? |
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| 02:48.48 | pierlux | maybe I did something wrong, but I can't install the maemo sdk in the scratchbox... I get "Size mitmatch" errors on apt-get |
| 02:50.41 | astro76 | the repos have been messed up |
| 02:51.56 | pierlux | oh |
| 02:52.03 | pierlux | maybe I should subscribe to a mailing list :) |
| 02:52.09 | pierlux | got a sugestion? |
| 02:52.38 | astro76 | hasn't been much info accept on internettablettalk |
| 02:52.47 | astro76 | apparently you can switch repository.maemo.org to stage.maemo.org |
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| 02:52.56 | astro76 | s/accept/except/ |
| 02:53.04 | pierlux | or is it known when it'll be fixed? |
| 02:53.15 | astro76 | when Nokia people get back from vacation, hopefully |
| 02:54.36 | pierlux | hehe :) |
| 02:54.42 | pierlux | then maybe after Giftmas |
| 02:55.47 | pierlux | stage.maemo.org doesn't seems to work |
| 03:03.36 | K`zan_n800 | I've been told to wait on updating / adding anything until at least the beginning of the year... |
| 03:04.42 | alp | pierlux: foo.maemo.org worked for me yesterday |
| 03:05.07 | alp | pierlux: check your backlog in #webkit-gtk ;-) |
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| 03:19.43 | |R | also repostory instead of repository (no "i") |
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| 06:34.20 | zoran | someone used fuse and sshfs? |
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| 06:51.26 | Luria | eveyone's so chatty |
| 06:55.26 | cmatheson | I see in /topic that the repository debs are broken, but I just got my N800 for Christmas and I'm trying to set up the development environment on my computer--are there any mirrors? |
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| 06:59.48 | Luria | check the thread on ITT |
| 06:59.48 | Luria | timeless rolled a deb with some alternate ips |
| 06:59.52 | Luria | one sec |
| 06:59.56 | Luria | cmatheson, try this: |
| 07:00.00 | Luria | 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org |
| 07:00.02 | Luria | in /etc/hosts |
| 07:00.42 | Luria | any better? |
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| 07:04.48 | Phobbes | howdy |
| 07:05.30 | Phobbes | after messing with the SDK for a couple days, I finally got my n800 today. |
| 07:05.36 | Phobbes | woot |
| 07:08.16 | cmatheson | Luria: sorry, got busy doing something else there for a second--i'm putting that in right now, thanks |
| 07:08.38 | procto | mooo |
| 07:08.48 | procto | ugh, whoops |
| 07:08.53 | procto | anyone know why on os2008 instead of the onscreen keyboard, I only nget this thin suggestion bar? |
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| 07:09.05 | procto | and can't bring the onscreen back? |
| 07:09.32 | procto | it tujrned on when I started using my bt keyboard, which is fine, but it's not going away |
| 07:10.20 | Vulcanis | maybe its on handwriting mode? |
| 07:10.30 | Vulcanis | otherwise just try tapping the text field again |
| 07:10.32 | cmatheson | Luria: hmm, it's still giving me the same errors--is it possible that it's caching the DNS from my previous attempts or something? |
| 07:11.28 | procto | Vulcanis: tried. doesn't work. |
| 07:11.39 | Vulcanis | try finger-tapping it, then |
| 07:11.47 | Vulcanis | see if that'll bring up the fingerboard |
| 07:11.53 | Vulcanis | otherwise, see if turning off bluetooth helps it |
| 07:12.03 | Vulcanis | it could be because it is currently paired with a BT keyboard |
| 07:13.32 | procto | tried and it doesn't work |
| 07:13.46 | procto | I think it thinks I have an n810 |
| 07:14.09 | procto | turning off bt didn't help |
| 07:15.12 | procto | it's just this very thin bar that shows suggestions |
| 07:15.20 | procto | so it's not in handwriting mode |
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| 07:16.20 | Vulcanis | n810 has the finger osk too, I believe |
| 07:16.22 | Vulcanis | so, hmm |
| 07:16.24 | Vulcanis | try restarting it |
| 07:16.30 | Vulcanis | what program are you trying to do it in? |
| 07:17.20 | Luria | i dont suppose anyone here has rolled a vim deb? |
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| 07:20.31 | Vulcanis | there should be one on maemo.org |
| 07:21.09 | procto | I'm trying it in web, xterm |
| 07:21.21 | procto | I'll try restarting |
| 07:21.37 | Luria | should as in ought to be or should as in "i saw it there" :-) |
| 07:21.54 | Vulcanis | luria: Dunno about OS2008, but theres an OS2007 one that you can probably install with redpillmode |
| 07:22.16 | Vulcanis | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vim/ |
| 07:22.24 | Luria | hmm, i tried that once and it failed |
| 07:22.31 | Luria | ill give it another shot |
| 07:22.32 | Vulcanis | oop, theres an OS2008 one, too |
| 07:22.43 | Vulcanis | yeah, the repos are shot |
| 07:22.50 | Vulcanis | though, you might be able to find a mirror |
| 07:22.54 | Vulcanis | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ |
| 07:23.01 | Vulcanis | I have not tried downloading anything recently, so dunn |
| 07:23.01 | Vulcanis | o |
| 07:23.17 | Luria | hmm, lesse. |
| 07:23.39 | Luria | thanks for the heads up - could have sworn i checked earlier today |
| 07:24.04 | Luria | now if you could point me to abiword, my life would be complete :-) |
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| 07:30.43 | Vulcanis | luria: Don't know if there is a working abiword port for 08 |
| 07:32.02 | metatron | yeah, was hoping the coming soon was sooner than it seems to be |
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| 07:32.42 | Luria | yikes, lagged |
| 07:33.50 | Luria | and without a linux/dev box handy i can follow the x-compile from source instructions |
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| 09:42.32 | [mbm] | anyone know the default lock code on the n800? "12345" didn't work |
| 09:44.18 | kulve | I think the default is that 12345.. |
| 09:44.52 | rwhitby | yeah, default is 12345 |
| 09:45.19 | [mbm] | got myself stuck in a situation where it keeps asing for the code but I don't remember ever setting it and 12345 didn't work |
| 09:48.12 | [mbm] | alternatively, I can try creating a custom initrd that nukes the code, but first I'd need to figure out where it stores that |
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| 09:57.48 | [mbm] | got it .. something I had set years ago when I first got the n800 |
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| 10:48.41 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 11:21.29 | svu_ | are they going to fix repository.maemo.org? |
| 11:21.36 | svu_ | it is broken for ages... |
| 11:24.30 | sbaturzio | svu: have you tried with repostory.maemo.org ? Without the 'i'? |
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| 11:29.48 | svu_ | sbaturzio: not. Never heard of it. what is it? |
| 11:30.09 | sbaturzio | svu_: there is a temporary workaround for that repository |
| 11:30.32 | sbaturzio | just remove the 'i' and try to update your N8x0 |
| 11:30.54 | svu_ | sbaturzio: ugh.... but if I am going to install sdk - I have to fix the script as well, don't I? |
| 11:31.14 | sbaturzio | don't know if the SDK installation is affected |
| 11:31.22 | svu_ | affected, unfortunately |
| 11:31.36 | sbaturzio | argh...that's not good |
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| 11:33.33 | svu_ | not good at all |
| 11:34.34 | sbaturzio | svu_: mmm..and creating an alias in /etc/hosts ? something like "repository.maemo.org ip_if_repostory.maemo.org" ? |
| 11:34.57 | svu_ | well, I'll try. good idea |
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| 12:06.14 | guardian | hi |
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| 12:18.36 | baho | Just got a new N800... Upgraded to os2008. Charged ok. Now plugging in the charger - I'm not getting the battery indicator to show that it's "CHARGING".... Anyone had a similar problem? |
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| 12:18.56 | baho | Does it normally show "charging"? |
| 12:18.59 | guardian | isn't it because it's charged ? |
| 12:19.17 | baho | guardian: it's not charged - it's half full. |
| 12:19.32 | baho | guardian: I've used it for around a day, after charging. |
| 12:19.46 | baho | guardian: then again, maybe it's half emty :-) |
| 12:20.06 | guardian | i don't remember how it behaves and i don't have my device here, sorry |
| 12:20.30 | guardian | i'm stuck reinstalling the sdk because of repository.maemo.org problems :( |
| 12:20.43 | baho | Anyone can confirm that it shows some "charging" messge? |
| 12:20.55 | baho | guardian: I installed it last night :-) |
| 12:21.29 | Bodhi2 | mine says charging when its switched off |
| 12:22.20 | baho | Bodhi2: Does the message stay on screen? |
| 12:22.27 | Bodhi2 | y |
| 12:23.19 | Bodhi2 | when its off |
| 12:30.49 | sp3000 | baho, at leasst in the default set of icons, the battery icon in the statusbar will animate while charging |
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| 13:07.35 | svu_ | damn, the trick with "repostory" in /etc/hosts does not work - it is same ip as "repository" |
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| 14:21.25 | sandyang028 | :) |
| 14:23.28 | astro76 | svu_, x.maemo.org (except where x = repository) still points to stage.maemo.org here |
| 14:24.05 | svu_ | astro76: it is not trivial to hack the SDK installation script to use something else... |
| 14:24.39 | astro76 | oh I dunno, just saying it's not the same IP here |
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| 14:29.22 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 14:33.57 | sandyang028 | hello |
| 14:34.42 | sbaturzio | the "theme maker" in garage.maemo.org for N800+OS2008, works or not? |
| 14:40.34 | benno2_ | hi, any idea where I could start my own X11 app in maemo ? what initscsript should I edit ? |
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| 14:56.24 | benno2_ | does anyone know what script do I need to call in order to establish a wlan connection automatically ? |
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| 15:08.05 | benno2_ | how can I select the default wlan connection ? |
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| 15:09.47 | alterego | benno2_, repeating yourself three times isn't going to get you an answer. |
| 15:11.08 | benno2_ | I played with my n770 long ago and seem to recall a menu where I could set the preferrent connection. now I updated to OS2006 and I see only a connect automatically to wlan |
| 15:11.14 | benno2_ | but it does not say to which one |
| 15:12.04 | alterego | benno2_, preferred connections are those that are "saved" They'll have a green tick icon beside them in the connection selection dialog. |
| 15:12.13 | benno2_ | thanks |
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| 15:12.29 | benno2_ | so if I save only one connection it should work |
| 15:12.39 | alterego | I guess, |
| 15:13.20 | alterego | If it doesn't you'll either have to update to 2007HE, or, write a script that uses LibConIc. |
| 15:13.25 | benno2_ | my n770 is 2y old but still nice, eager to try the n800/810 :) |
| 15:13.53 | alterego | They're a vast improvement over the 770 |
| 15:15.38 | alterego | The Nokia 770 is still a nice device in it's own right though. |
| 15:15.55 | alterego | I wish those ubuntu mobile kids would get their act together and come up with something nice for it. |
| 15:16.28 | benno2_ | :) btw is skype for OS2008 available ? |
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| 15:17.08 | alterego | Yes, as far as I know. |
| 15:17.50 | benno2_ | cool. and I heard SIP video calls work well too (x-lite on the PC side) |
| 15:18.15 | astro76 | no video on os2008 skype |
| 15:18.20 | alterego | Yeah, I've not really got into that side of the tablets yet :) |
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| 15:18.32 | astro76 | benno2_, yeah, gizmo works well too with video |
| 15:18.35 | benno2_ | yes but it works using the OS2008 sip client |
| 15:18.42 | astro76 | indeed |
| 15:18.52 | maszo | Hi, just loaded up os2008 on my n800 but i cant detect my 3.5 usb hdd. Im not sure if this would work sinCe i only used a usb hub |
| 15:19.17 | astro76 | maszo, you'll need to inject power |
| 15:20.00 | maszo | Hmmm. Will a powered hub work? |
| 15:20.12 | alterego | maszo, yes a powered hub will work. Are you using a proper OTG cable? |
| 15:20.16 | alterego | Or a gender bender? |
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| 15:22.40 | maszo | Hmmm dunno, i just used the cable that came with the box |
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| 15:23.00 | timelyx | svu: what are you trying to install? |
| 15:23.00 | alterego | How do you plug that into the HUB? |
| 15:24.15 | maszo | Ohhh. Cant i just use any of the ports there? |
| 15:24.58 | maszo | I guess i really need an adapter if thats the case? |
| 15:25.47 | alterego | Yes |
| 15:26.08 | alterego | You can't just plug the lead into the HUB like a peripheral .. It needs to be attached to the host connector .. |
| 15:27.21 | maszo | Ic... I thoght any of the ports will do. Bummer. Will get one tommorow then. Thanks! |
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| 15:39.59 | yabbas | is there a way to stop Xomap without having it restart the N800 and without editing x-server in init.d? |
| 15:43.19 | zoran | set somewhere is sudo? |
| 15:43.36 | timelyx | ? |
| 15:44.06 | zoran | any linux should work whatever happens to X |
| 15:46.47 | yabbas | zoran, script in x-server sets the N800 to restart if Xomap is killed. I was hoping for a way to stop it restarting without altering the script. |
| 15:47.06 | yabbas | timelyx, aye - that's the case |
| 15:47.36 | timelyx | yabbas: if you enable r&d mode, most if not all of life guarding goes away |
| 15:47.36 | zoran | yabbas, so the daemon? |
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| 15:48.23 | zoran | yabbas, should it be just temporary? one time only? |
| 15:48.23 | yabbas | timelyx, tbh - I'm wanting to kill it nicely, then restart it with args that enable me to use a mouse device other than tslib. |
| 15:48.36 | yabbas | zoran, yup |
| 15:49.01 | timelyx | yabbas: i don't see what's wrong w/ rewriting the initscripts and rebooting |
| 15:49.22 | zoran | maybe pointer, soft link and kill -HUP or how it is called |
| 15:49.50 | yabbas | timelyx, don't want it screwing up people's tablets should the worst happen :) |
| 15:50.10 | timelyx | yabbas: so test it welll :) |
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| 15:50.29 | zoran | cp file file.backup |
| 15:50.46 | zoran | chanage file |
| 15:50.55 | zoran | then in init.d restart |
| 15:52.22 | wnd | doesn't "touch /etc/no_lg_reboots" do the trick anymore? |
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| 15:53.14 | zoran | never saw such a file |
| 15:53.24 | zoran | could you pase it? |
| 15:53.37 | zoran | *paste |
| 15:53.57 | wnd | just try creating that file |
| 15:54.41 | zoran | it makes file with 0 size and no exe perms |
| 15:54.55 | zoran | the name down't matter |
| 15:55.00 | zoran | *doesn't |
| 15:55.13 | zoran | the date matters |
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| 15:56.36 | yabbas | wnd: that sounds pretty cool. got any refs for that? |
| 15:57.19 | zoran | wnd, yes, explain it further, please |
| 15:57.29 | wnd | irc logs and vague memories ;-) |
| 15:58.03 | zoran | short life and no memories |
| 15:58.19 | yabbas | wnd: it works ;) |
| 15:58.23 | yabbas | ty |
| 15:58.52 | wnd | remember to delete that file when you're done |
| 15:59.11 | zoran | so, something looks for that file? |
| 15:59.18 | yabbas | wnd: aye, _much_ better than faffage with various scripts |
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| 16:13.35 | alterego | sp3000, apearantly it's a caching issue, if you use 'stage.maemo.org' it gets around the problem .. |
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| 16:18.32 | sp3000 | morning timelyx |
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| 16:22.48 | ajturner | any word on when the developer discount codes will be working for n810 purchases? |
| 16:22.54 | ajturner | I've been on travel and haven't seen any mention |
| 16:23.01 | yabbas | nothing |
| 16:23.19 | alterego | ajturner, last saturday. |
| 16:23.32 | bigup | Hi :) |
| 16:23.46 | ajturner | alterego: as in they'll work now (as of last Saturday)? |
| 16:23.49 | ajturner | excellent |
| 16:23.58 | alterego | No, they should have been working last saturday. |
| 16:24.01 | alterego | But they're not :P |
| 16:24.21 | rdorsch | How can I move applets on the desktop on OS2008? In the destop (home) menu I see only configure and select applets. |
| 16:24.23 | alterego | We're all waiting for the email saying they're active .. |
| 16:24.44 | sp3000 | rdorsch: just grab them |
| 16:24.45 | ajturner | ah, right, was supposed to be Dec 15, |
| 16:24.47 | ajturner | bah |
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| 16:26.06 | rdorsch | sp3000: what do you mean with grab? When I e.g. touch "First steps" (or similar in English) it starts a Video. |
| 16:26.19 | sp3000 | drag |
| 16:26.29 | sp3000 | as in stylus down and move |
| 16:26.55 | rdorsch | sp3000: works, thanks. |
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| 16:35.12 | alterego | czr, ! |
| 16:35.18 | alterego | Have a good Christmas? |
| 16:35.20 | czr | hey alterego :-) |
| 16:35.28 | czr | yup, still on-going-process really |
| 16:35.29 | czr | you? |
| 16:35.39 | alterego | Yeah, was good. |
| 16:35.48 | alterego | Preparing myself for new years .. |
| 16:35.57 | czr | you're making a suit? :-) |
| 16:37.07 | alterego | No, |
| 16:37.17 | alterego | Just detoxing before the inevitable drinking :/ |
| 16:37.29 | alterego | I'm going to try and stay as sober as possible. |
| 16:37.31 | czr | heh. I'm safe this year I think |
| 16:37.56 | czr | spending time with family anyway, not too much drinking that can be done. I don't want them to know the levels of alcoholism that I've attained |
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| 16:38.18 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:38.31 | alterego | I'm going to a big party. |
| 16:38.57 | alterego | Probably the last time I do anything super massive .. |
| 16:39.05 | alterego | Well, that and my Birthday in April. |
| 16:39.38 | czr | ah, cool. you'll turn 50 finally? |
| 16:43.02 | alterego | 25 :P |
| 16:43.35 | czr | well, I was 50% correct then :-) |
| 16:44.05 | alterego | Wouldn't that make me 100? |
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| 16:46.27 | czr | alterego, depends on which side of 50% we're talking about :-) |
| 16:46.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:49.39 | alterego | You could look at it the other way. You were 200% right .. |
| 16:50.13 | czr | you don't want to me to be that much right. I'd turn nonbearable :-) |
| 16:50.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:50.52 | alterego | I could get started on your grammer :P |
| 16:51.57 | czr | you could! |
| 16:52.00 | wnd | or on your spelling :-) |
| 16:52.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:52.24 | alterego | I didn't want to insult both. Spelling was going to be my fallback plan :P |
| 16:52.37 | czr | alterego, he meant your speling :-) |
| 16:52.46 | alterego | Yes, my speling is bad. |
| 16:52.55 | alterego | It's almost nonbearable. |
| 16:53.01 | czr | unpossible |
| 16:53.20 | alterego | implus? |
| 16:53.32 | czr | maybe |
| 16:54.15 | zoran | unpossible is questonable too :) |
| 16:54.47 | czr | to queston or not to queston. |
| 16:54.51 | alterego | zoran, I think that was the point :P |
| 16:55.04 | zoran | ;) |
| 16:55.19 | yabbas | hmmm - is there the equivelant of an xorg.conf for xomap? |
| 16:55.47 | czr | kdrive servers don't have configs |
| 16:55.54 | czr | at least not that I know |
| 16:55.57 | zoran | it's not so easy not to make a mistake on small stylus kb |
| 16:56.01 | czr | they're configured during build-time |
| 16:56.11 | yabbas | damn :( |
| 16:57.02 | ajturner | do I need flasher v3 for OS2008 on Mac (n800) |
| 16:57.03 | ajturner | ? |
| 16:57.06 | alterego | There is a certain amount of configuration options available on the command line. |
| 16:57.34 | zoran | and 2 much sudo ones |
| 16:57.46 | yabbas | czr, and I take it nokia build the xserver by default without mouse support :-/ |
| 16:59.03 | alterego | I thought there was mouse support .. |
| 16:59.13 | alterego | But I could be wrong. |
| 16:59.15 | czr | yabbas, not sure. I'd think there's support for pointer devices and linux evdev |
| 16:59.25 | czr | and the touch screen thingy is implemented using evdev |
| 16:59.41 | czr | so that'd cover normal mice as well (as long as there'd be a driver in the kernel for the mouse) |
| 16:59.53 | yabbas | the args start xomap using -mouse tslib |
| 17:00.26 | yabbas | tried -mouse evdev but it didn't like it |
| 17:00.49 | czr | hmm |
| 17:00.52 | czr | not sure about the config though |
| 17:01.05 | czr | need to run now though |
| 17:01.18 | czr | later alterego and all you other grammerquestoniers |
| 17:01.29 | alterego | :) |
| 17:05.24 | zoran | /////z |
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| 17:24.32 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117343#post117343 what a tease. |
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| 17:33.03 | alterego | Heh |
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| 17:39.03 | pparker | Hi guys |
| 17:40.09 | pparker | I've installed wesnoth game on a 770 tablet |
| 17:40.56 | pparker | But i can't launch |
| 17:41.17 | pparker | Where is executable ? |
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| 17:51.38 | truent | alterego, how were you planning on implementing the dbus listeners in ruby? ive been pondering dbus-monitor output and how i could grab it.. need some ideas |
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| 18:21.39 | benno2_ | any idea if one can set/unset the R&D mode on the n770 using a windows tool ? |
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| 18:32.35 | kulve | benno2_: I think one can not. But I'm really not sure about that.. |
| 18:33.40 | benno2_ | kulve: thanks so I will try from linux. because I would like to update an old 770 to OS2006 but it is set to R&D mode and the windows updater fails updating it. probably I have to unset r&d first |
| 18:36.42 | kulve | hmm.. at least in linux, the R&D -mode doesn't affect the flashing of the image |
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| 18:44.54 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 18:48.39 | EY | Hi, all. |
| 18:49.13 | EY | Makes sense why all apps seem to be broken. |
| 18:49.30 | hahlo | which one flash better windows or linux? |
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| 18:52.48 | EY | I-t's such a cstraightforward proess that it does not really make any difference. |
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| 18:56.08 | EY | How can I play DivX movies in OS2008? I can't find mplayer in any of the repositories? |
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| 19:40.40 | EY | What is the timeframe for fixing maemo.org debs? |
| 19:40.55 | guardian | haha |
| 19:41.14 | guardian | i guess everyone wants to know |
| 19:43.32 | EY | :-) |
| 19:43.58 | |R | hehe just replace repoSItory by repoStory ;) |
| 19:44.37 | EY | ??? |
| 19:45.22 | |R | it's a functional "mirror" (if you change it in your apt sources) |
| 19:45.45 | EY | I'll give it a try. |
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| 19:46.19 | |R | repostory.maemo.org or stage.maemo.org replace repository.maemo.org in the mean time from what i gathered |
| 19:46.46 | guardian | it doesn't work |
| 19:47.16 | kulve | I've been using stage.maemo.org now for awhile without any problems |
| 19:47.23 | guardian | this akamai.net workaround doesn't work for me |
| 19:47.45 | kulve | it works for everybody else.. |
| 19:47.49 | guardian | well as pointed earlier by (???) [anything].maemo.org resolves to stage.maemo.org |
| 19:47.57 | guardian | kulve: works for you ? |
| 19:48.08 | guardian | just tried another sdk install |
| 19:48.10 | guardian | same problem |
| 19:48.13 | EY | Is mplayer available anywhere? |
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| 19:48.34 | |R | oh |
| 19:48.46 | kulve | I've installed some packages with apt-get without problems (that failed with repository.m.o) |
| 19:49.11 | guardian | ah |
| 19:49.17 | kulve | also app.mgr. works just fine |
| 19:49.19 | guardian | in fact |
| 19:49.24 | guardian | it's my fault :( |
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| 19:49.28 | guardian | i'm on my laptop |
| 19:49.35 | jga | where is the sources.list file? mine is empty |
| 19:49.37 | guardian | and scratchbox copies etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:49.41 | guardian | and now that i'm at home |
| 19:49.49 | guardian | it's not the good nameservers |
| 19:49.53 | guardian | ... pfff |
| 19:50.41 | kulve | jga: in the device or in the SB? |
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| 19:50.47 | jga | device |
| 19:51.08 | kulve | I thinks it's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 19:51.43 | jga | awesome, thanks |
| 19:51.48 | jga | in SB is it just sources.list? |
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| 19:52.16 | kulve | jga: at least in my SB it seems to be so |
| 19:53.34 | Spacer | someone know how to get a more full set of applications in the maemo-sdk that accurately renders the os2008 image? |
| 19:54.16 | kulve | Spacer: I think you can't get the closed source apps there |
| 19:55.37 | Spacer | well the software installer isnt there either, just this "hello world!" gtk demo app |
| 19:56.21 | kulve | hmm.. are you now talking about the flashable development image? |
| 19:56.28 | kulve | or some SB target? |
| 19:56.47 | Spacer | yes CHINOOK_X86, just plain SDK |
| 19:56.54 | kulve | ok |
| 19:57.13 | Spacer | trying to get a more 'real world' feel in it |
| 19:57.57 | kulve | I think it's meant to be more like just a dev environment.. And I've never even started the X86 target.. |
| 19:58.30 | kulve | but basically you can get some apps there (I'm not sure which are provided out-of-the-box) but not nearly all |
| 19:58.31 | Spacer | why is it there anyway? to compount the speed hit of the armel emulation? |
| 19:59.24 | kulve | well, some components are easier or faster to develop on the x86 target and then just recompile in armel and copy to the device. I think it's fast enough on armel target in the first place.. |
| 20:00.22 | Spacer | maybe, i do notice a difference in speed though |
| 20:00.32 | Spacer | but that doesn't really bother me |
| 20:00.56 | kulve | Spacer: yeah, there's a speed difference, but I don't bother testing on x86, since the real target is arm |
| 20:03.43 | jga | my sb can't resolve any site even after modifying my nsswitch and resolve.conf |
| 20:05.01 | kulve | there are two nsswitch files, iirc |
| 20:05.49 | kulve | scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and one in the target's etc |
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| 20:07.31 | jga | all that needs to be changed is the hosts: dns, right? |
| 20:08.25 | kulve | I'm not sure. I think that's not a problem in debian etch.. |
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| 20:20.40 | yabbas | is there a way to extend the input capabilities of KDrive without having to recompile the server with that support in place? |
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| 20:46.27 | scibot | So is there any camera apps besides Gizmo and Camera (for still shots) |
| 20:46.28 | scibot | ? |
| 20:47.10 | astro76 | how many apps do you need to take crappy still pictures? |
| 20:47.22 | astro76 | ;) |
| 20:47.56 | scibot | Astro, Don't forget video. |
| 20:47.57 | acydlord | there is knips |
| 20:48.01 | acydlord | and the gps one |
| 20:48.38 | acydlord | i must give nokia props for finding that many image sensors from 10 year old webcams to stick in the n800s =x |
| 20:49.00 | astro76 | hehe |
| 20:49.08 | astro76 | hey it's great as a webcam |
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| 20:49.29 | acydlord | it's good as long as it's not low light |
| 20:49.30 | yabbas | acydlord, :D |
| 20:49.57 | yabbas | I'm working on a still-picture app for maemo atm. |
| 20:50.06 | acydlord | i remember back when the n800 came out i was going to make an IR blaster rig for it |
| 20:50.46 | yabbas | Hopefully given a few image processing techniques I can get useful images out of the onboard cam. |
| 20:50.57 | acydlord | nice |
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| 20:53.15 | yabbas | So, hopefully you'll see dark noise negation, long exposures, panoramic stitching, various useful convolution techniques, and superresolution pictures on a maemo device near you. |
| 20:53.44 | astro76 | yabbas, sounds great |
| 20:54.01 | yabbas | but first thing's first.... |
| 20:54.49 | yabbas | Astro, I kinda like the fact we have a terrible cam on the device, gives me something to do :D |
| 20:54.53 | scibot | I want to play with a webcam for websites program |
| 20:55.53 | bedboi | the discount code is still not valid :( |
| 20:56.48 | astro76 | yabbas, yeah definitely a good challenge |
| 20:56.50 | yabbas | bedboi, aye :( saddens me too. |
| 20:57.01 | acydlord | saddens me as well |
| 20:57.15 | scibot | Big brother needs a stream |
| 20:57.16 | acydlord | but as i'm selling my n800 to buy my n810 it gives me a little more time with it =x |
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| 20:57.41 | yabbas | wouldn't ever sell my n800 ... I have too much love for the device <3 |
| 20:57.59 | scibot | I need a keyboard for mine |
| 20:58.46 | acydlord | well i'm too poor to afford the n810 at the moment without selling my n800 |
| 20:59.11 | yabbas | but... |
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| 20:59.35 | acydlord | i would like to keep it so that when i get my kayak i can make it be the onboard computer/gps =x |
| 20:59.52 | yabbas | why not work a day or two and earn the £75 or so it'll set you back for an 810 and keep both? :) |
| 21:00.15 | acydlord | well i start my new job on the 7th |
| 21:00.35 | acydlord | i guess i could just wait about a month till i get paid from that and buy the n810 with my dev discount |
| 21:01.19 | acydlord | 2008 is going to be one busy busy year for me |
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| 21:02.24 | bedboi | being busy sucks, you don't have time for hacking |
| 21:02.34 | acydlord | i make time for hacking |
| 21:02.52 | bedboi | however, being busy hacking is cool |
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| 21:03.05 | acydlord | it's mostly the second half of the year that will be busy as i will be moving and then trying to get everything set to open a bar/brewery |
| 21:03.21 | Vulcanis | Nice. |
| 21:04.39 | acydlord | ad as far as i know it will be the first/only geek oriented bar in seattle |
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| 21:23.05 | liia | geek oriented bar sounds fun :) |
| 21:26.38 | acydlord | indeed |
| 21:26.53 | acydlord | i want to turn enough profit to donate a portion to the open source community |
| 21:27.14 | truls | how will it be geek oriented? |
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| 21:38.47 | scibot | No video recording apps? |
| 21:42.10 | sbaturzio | I think the first question should be "which device is the camera?" and not if there are video recording apps |
| 21:42.37 | sbaturzio | if a device exists, mplayer should work as a capture program |
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| 21:45.01 | scibot | http://aksi.mdamt.net/node/174 |
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| 21:48.27 | scibot | http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 21:57.01 | acydlord | the "camera" app does video i believe |
| 22:00.33 | |tbb| | does peekaboo works under os2008? |
| 22:02.28 | deejoe | the camera app does not do video in any way that I can see. |
| 22:03.16 | deejoe | or is this a capability it has on the 810 that it doesn't on the 800? |
| 22:03.23 | scibot | There use to be a camera fork that supported video. |
| 22:03.29 | GAN800 | Read their frontpage, |tbb| |
| 22:03.30 | deejoe | ah. |
| 22:03.31 | scibot | But it hasn't been updated since july and won't work. |
| 22:06.02 | |tbb| | gan800: k |
| 22:06.53 | |tbb| | anyone knows what processor and clocktime the iphone runs |
| 22:07.55 | |tbb| | i wonder how smooth the kinetic scrolling has and the popups of the applications are |
| 22:10.30 | GAN800 | Very smooth. |
| 22:10.39 | GAN800 | 405 or so |
| 22:10.53 | milhouse | |tbb| - 620MHz ARM 1176 according to Wikipedia |
| 22:10.57 | GAN800 | Quartz is all accelerated, so that really helps. |
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| 22:11.19 | GAN800 | It's clocked bellow that, though. |
| 22:12.26 | GAN800 | An accelerated GUI would be nice, too. |
| 22:12.29 | milhouse | But I expect the smooth performance of the UI has more to do with the overall software and hardware architecture than the CPU alone... ie. a well designed video subsystem, perhaps with some 3D assistance (the Samsung chip includes a PowerVR MBX graphics co-processor)... basically evyerthing Nokia have so failed to achieve. |
| 22:12.47 | milhouse | s/so failed/so far failed/ |
| 22:12.55 | GAN800 | No more 3rd part LCD controllers for the N900. :D |
| 22:13.20 | milhouse | Do the hardware right and the software will follow... |
| 22:13.38 | GAN800 | The N900 is gonna be a beast. |
| 22:13.39 | milhouse | (as long as the software isn't closed source of course!) |
| 22:13.55 | milhouse | GAN800 - I hope you mean in performance/features and not size! :) |
| 22:14.09 | GAN800 | Of course! |
| 22:14.22 | GAN800 | Hopefully dual SD slots again. |
| 22:14.28 | milhouse | Smaller than the N810 would suit me |
| 22:14.35 | GAN800 | The N810 is a bit of a joke. |
| 22:14.55 | GAN800 | Not at the expense of yet more features. |
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| 22:15.31 | milhouse | The N810 is at the limit of pocketability - any bigger and it's pretty much a deal breaker for me |
| 22:15.37 | GAN800 | Hardware video decoding with the OMAP3430, too. :d |
| 22:15.44 | GAN800 | Pfft |
| 22:16.00 | GAN800 | Do you wear women's jeans or something? |
| 22:16.10 | milhouse | No, I wear suits |
| 22:16.10 | GAN800 | N800 is perfect. |
| 22:16.32 | milhouse | Too big. The N810 is a step in the right direction as it's smaller, but also heavier. Both need to come down. |
| 22:16.39 | deejoe | because, you know, one wouldn't find a woman on teh intarnets |
| 22:16.46 | GAN800 | Smaller and you lose features. |
| 22:17.05 | GAN800 | Might as well get a damn smartphone at that point. |
| 22:17.11 | milhouse | I don't agree, I think it all comes down to being creative with the design |
| 22:17.23 | celesteh | the n800 is a bit big for men's jeans too. it's defintely a jacket pocket kind of device |
| 22:17.29 | milhouse | and that includes the circuit board - look at what apple have done |
| 22:17.41 | GAN800 | There are only so many things you can stuff into such a small space. |
| 22:17.45 | milhouse | dual layer board, takes up a fraction of the space required by the N8x0 |
| 22:17.54 | GAN800 | With a much smaller screen. |
| 22:18.11 | milhouse | It's not a smaller screen - lower resolution yes, but physically not that much smaller |
| 22:18.28 | GAN800 | I'm not willing to give up my face buttons. |
| 22:18.33 | milhouse | iPhone screen is 3.5", N810 is 4.2". |
| 22:18.48 | milhouse | iPhone is half the weight of the N810 |
| 22:19.01 | GAN800 | That's a lot smaller at that size. ;) |
| 22:19.12 | |tbb| | for me it where better the 810 unit cost 100 euros less and put out the (bad)gps chip and replace it with a fm chip. also i dont like the colors on the n810 it where better on n800 |
| 22:19.23 | |tbb| | i like the keyboard |
| 22:19.24 | GAN800 | Meh, weight in mobile devices is pretty meaningless. |
| 22:19.48 | milhouse | GAN800 - that has to be one of the siliest statements yet... |
| 22:20.00 | milhouse | weight is meaningless in a mobile device? |
| 22:20.09 | GAN800 | Keyboard is another thing I don't need. Doing fine on the thumbboard right now. |
| 22:20.12 | milhouse | weight is meaningless in a desktop PC! |
| 22:20.18 | GAN800 | At these sizes |
| 22:20.27 | milhouse | weight is everything when it's mobile |
| 22:20.33 | milhouse | followed by size |
| 22:20.38 | GAN800 | A few grams in either direction isn't a big deal. |
| 22:21.03 | milhouse | trouble is it's not a few grams |
| 22:21.22 | GAN800 | unless you build it out of lead, the weight is tied pretty closely to size. |
| 22:21.28 | milhouse | at least not when comparing the nokia to something like an apple - the apple is significantly lighter which shows that Nokia can do better |
| 22:21.59 | GAN800 | It's not a weight difference you notice while carrying, though. |
| 22:22.10 | milhouse | that's subjective |
| 22:22.19 | milhouse | you don't, i do :) |
| 22:22.21 | GAN800 | Perhaps |
| 22:22.43 | GAN800 | Really, maemo devices need to be diversified. |
| 22:22.55 | GAN800 | Like the iPods. :D |
| 22:23.07 | deejoe | heh |
| 22:23.11 | milhouse | isn't that what we have with the N800 and N810? |
| 22:23.14 | GAN800 | One for everybody. |
| 22:23.21 | GAN800 | Not really. |
| 22:23.25 | milhouse | they're not replacements (allegedly) - they're complementary (allegedly) |
| 22:23.45 | GAN800 | The price points don't make sense |
| 22:24.05 | GAN800 | and there really isn't much of a size difference. |
| 22:24.08 | astro76 | n800 is unrealistically low priced now, yes |
| 22:24.38 | GAN800 | (why can't Nokia seem to get enter right oon the thumbboard. . . .) |
| 22:27.43 | Vulcanis | this is completely offtopic, but has anyone gotten PCSX or the SNES port working on OS2008? |
| 22:28.03 | milhouse | Vulcanis - Pupnik is your man for that I think |
| 22:28.13 | Vulcanis | Yeah, I thought that. |
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| 22:31.30 | dospod | hey anybody have iputils for it2008 |
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| 23:06.32 | jga | anybody know how to enable host mode on the n810? |
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| 23:13.40 | dospod | anybody have a iputils for it2008 |
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| 23:16.20 | EY | Still broken :-( |
| 23:16.42 | dospod | what package |
| 23:16.55 | Zero_Dogg | anyone here that know anything about the discount stuff? I got accepted and got a code, but it looks like "my selected shop", being the Norwegian Nokia one, isn't planning to sell it any time soon |
| 23:17.17 | dospod | discount stuff? |
| 23:17.29 | Zero_Dogg | developer discount for the N810 |
| 23:17.50 | dospod | i see |
| 23:17.57 | EY | I'm still looking for mplayer. I can't find the repository to get it from. |
| 23:19.04 | dospod | im still lookin for iputils :/ |
| 23:19.20 | EY | Media Player doesn't play DivX .avi. |
| 23:20.46 | EY | Any suggestion? |
| 23:22.06 | dospod | learn to code ;] |
| 23:22.36 | |tbb| | heh |
| 23:22.49 | EY | That's extreme :-) |
| 23:23.37 | |tbb| | btw. is the built in mediaplayer opensource |
| 23:23.48 | dospod | it works |
| 23:24.14 | EY | Coding? |
| 23:24.34 | dospod | mhm |
| 23:26.11 | dospod | i cant code though |
| 23:28.10 | EY | dospod, can you play DivX on your N8*0? |
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| 23:29.07 | dospod | idk havent checked |
| 23:29.30 | dospod | dont have any divx movies on here |
| 23:30.21 | EY | OK... Never mind. |
| 23:30.38 | dospod | lol sorry |
| 23:32.09 | tank-man | get mplayer |
| 23:33.04 | tank-man | i added the repos from here, http://www.gronmayer.com/it |
| 23:33.06 | EY | tank-man, I'm trying to, but I don't know which repository to get it from. |
| 23:33.44 | EY | tank-man: Which one from the lot? |
| 23:33.56 | tank-man | i dont know, i added them all |
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| 23:35.15 | EY | LOL. |
| 23:36.20 | EY | Ah! Found it. |
| 23:37.21 | dospod | its not.letting me refresh app lists |
| 23:43.59 | EY | mplayer now installed. and Working great too! |
| 23:44.42 | dospod | i cant refresh my list now |
| 23:47.07 | dospod | grr |
| 23:47.41 | EY | Have you checked the channel topic? |
| 23:47.46 | dospod | yea |
| 23:48.01 | dospod | it was working an hour ago |
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| 23:48.14 | dospod | then i added those repos |
| 23:48.58 | EY | I think some are unreachable. |
| 23:49.26 | dospod | it worked till i added the repos |
| 23:50.36 | EY | Remove all, then add again. |
| 23:51.02 | dospod | i guess i have to |
| 23:51.39 | EY | Add the bare minimum. |