IRC log for #maemo on 20071227

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00:11.25GNUtonHi
00:13.00dockanehi all.. anybody using gpe calendar? i am trying to import http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/ (ical). it says "syntax error (missing attribute name/group)!"
00:15.13dockanei am using gpe-calendar v. 2.8+maemo-1
00:22.01K`zan_n800Hummm,  Transcend or AData SDHC 8G card....!?!!!
00:23.03K`zanOR a 16G one for about the same price as both :)
00:23.41dockaneK`zan: i am using 2x 8gb sdhc kingston class 6
00:23.48dockaneflawlessly
00:24.16hugolpK`zan I think n800 doesnt take 16G cards
00:24.33K`zan$5 difference for the 8G ones, I think the Transcend might be worth the extra?!?
00:25.00K`zanIt doesn't?  SDHC I thought would work with the n800.
00:25.22hugolpI think n800 and n810 limit is 8Gb
00:25.32K`zanBUT, I'll hold on the 16G (and 32G) one.  Thanks hugolp !
00:25.59dockanethat would be strange since sdhc standard is up to 32 gb
00:26.06K`zanProbably actually better with multiple 8G rather than one 16G though.
00:26.59K`zanSo far with a 4G (int) and 1G (ext) I am only taking up about 2.5G and a lot of that is maps.
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00:27.41K`zan8G sure seems like a lot, but I am sure we will fill it up in time :)
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00:28.04hugolpK`zan have you tried the maps utility in the N800 OS2008?
00:28.22K`zanYes, map sucks, I like maemo mapper better.
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00:28.36K`zanREmoved map from the device.
00:28.46hugolpi c
00:29.05hugolpK`zan did you tried with gps or without?
00:29.07K`zanJust wish I could figure out how to get it to display track up rather than north up.
00:29.11K`zanBoth
00:29.40K`zanNot as good as the Garmin I have but it is by NO means shabby.
00:30.00K`zanGot the iblue 737 and rather like it.
00:30.21hugolphave to try it myself but I have to get a memory card to hold the maps
00:30.42K`zanLOL there is that :-).  8G cards are pretty cheap at newegg ATM.
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00:31.07K`zanI'm going to order one 8G this month and probably anyother next month.
00:31.41jga23anybody able to install scratchbox maemo sdk?  I know the debs are broken, is there a workaround?
00:31.46hugolpK`zan you could order a third one and setn it here
00:32.21K`zanLOL, going to be damn lucky to get me one, but if I end up with a spare I'd sure send it your way :-)!
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01:47.10shack008nhi, is it possible to play quicktime on the n800?
01:47.40hugolpshack008n:  guess so
01:48.45shack008nok, how then? :)
01:50.20hugolpjust playing it?
01:50.29hugolpgstreamer doesnt play quicktime?
01:51.21shack008nthe default player apparently not
01:52.15shack008nbecause it's aking what i want to open this .mov file with
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03:14.56acydlordwow, i just found out there is a mono package for maemo
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03:16.46admin_anyway to , instead of the nokia boot image on n770, make it show the kernel booting messages?
03:21.46pupnikFAQ
03:21.48pupnikNA
03:22.34admin_:o
03:23.02acydlordadmin_, R&D mode shows the messages over the image
03:25.55admin_really?
03:26.04acydlordyeah
03:26.18admin_hmm, is there a way to show msges w/o flashing ?
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03:30.54admin_acydlord: ^
03:31.10acydlordnot that i know of
03:31.37admin_darn
03:36.51admin_can I do like, --get-rd-mode to somethign :P
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04:42.22pupnikthe PLANET needs ron paul
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04:56.29VulcanisHmm, apparently PCSX does not like OS2008
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05:33.11Luriaquiet tonight.
05:33.18K`zanVery
05:33.32K`zanI think folks are burning out from dealing with the problems :-(.
05:34.01Luriaim not happy with os2008
05:34.34Luriathe speed is nice, but stability has definitiely taken a turn for the worse.
05:34.48K`zanIt's OK, but there seem to be a lot of problems that seem to point to nokia just not giving a damn.  I know they are not that incompetent, all my nokia phones have been better than average by a good bit.
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05:34.58pupnik_where is fucktard waterboard boy
05:35.01pupnik_oh sorry
05:35.06pupnik_wrong channel
05:35.08K`zanLOL
05:35.20pupnik_LOL drowning
05:35.25K`zanDunno what to think, I like the device a lot.
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05:35.49pupnik_there is no safe channel from
05:35.52pupnik_water board chat
05:35.58Luriamisplaced your taliban?
05:36.08pupnik_because there is no safety from state torture
05:36.28K`zanHeh, torture, waterboarding ain't it.
05:36.30pupnik_there is no region of society that is safe from the us application of torture
05:36.38K`zanHorsehocky.
05:36.47pupnik_the USA now holds 15,000 ghost prisoners around the world
05:36.49pupnik_by force
05:36.52pupnik_without trial
05:37.00K`zanNo where near enough for the shit they pull.
05:37.01pupnik_no justicce
05:37.05Luriadepends. is the waterboarding done with liquid drain cleaner?
05:37.08madarhello all, anyone sorted out the problem with installing pidgin on n810 up to dated os version
05:37.09pupnik_they are goatherders
05:37.16K`zanAgree with that, but the US ain't the problem in that department.
05:37.18pupnik_hence
05:37.27pupnik_the same tactics will now be used in irc
05:37.27K`zanToo many criminals just let run free,
05:37.44pupnik_this channel will now be waterboarded
05:37.49pupnik_drowned
05:37.49K`zanNot sure I agree with that for freenode, but maybe some of the other nets ;-) LOL.
05:38.06pupnik_with violence
05:38.12K`zandrowned != waterboarding...
05:38.12pupnik_you did nothing to deserve it
05:38.16pupnik_too bad
05:38.27madarwtf where am I all I wanted was pidgin, can't we work things out
05:38.28pupnik_it is drowning
05:38.30pupnik_K`zan:
05:38.39pupnik_it is bringing people to the point of death
05:38.47pupnik_you bring them to within an inch of death
05:38.50K`zanClose ain't dead...
05:38.50pupnik_without any evidence
05:38.53pupnik_or trial
05:38.56pupnik_it is torture
05:38.57K`zanHorsehocky
05:38.58madaropen communication is key to solving our differences
05:39.00pupnik_under the geneva conventions
05:39.04pupnik_it is torture
05:39.07pupnik_it is illegal
05:39.09pupnik_it is not fun
05:39.09K`zanYou REALLY need to get a grip on what you are dealing with.
05:39.11|Rwell puting someone in a state of physical panic is torture... thus waterboarding is torture
05:39.12pupnik_i will do it to you
05:39.16pupnik_K shit
05:39.20pupnik_i will do it to you
05:39.21K`zanNo you won't :-)
05:39.24pupnik_want my fucking address
05:39.28pupnik_i will waterboard you
05:39.35pupnik_and you will then tell me it is a joke
05:39.36K`zanNope, I stay away from loons as much as possibly.
05:39.44pupnik_you fucking piece of human shit
05:39.47pupnik_this is torture
05:39.52pupnik_that you are promoting
05:39.59K`zanPiss off and deal with some reality.
05:40.12madarthis is getting me no where, this channel has become torture for sure
05:40.18pupnik_this is the state
05:40.25pupnik_fucking with your channel
05:40.26|Rhttp://waterboarding.org/
05:40.29K`zanLOL, these folks are everywhere but in the real world
05:40.37pupnik_it interrupts your fun little life
05:40.53pupnik_like i interrupted maemo
05:41.01pupnik_</end>
05:41.06|Rmadar : pidgin should work no? there was a problem? (works on 2008 / n800)
05:41.08K`zanLOL, you sure don't need to do anything for that to happen LOL.
05:41.19madarcan't get an install to take
05:41.30K`zanDunno, from what I can gather the repositories are hosed big time.
05:41.49K`zanI'm just chilling until after the start of the new year.
05:42.04K`zanWe'll see what happens when and if the smoke clears.
05:42.24K`zanFor the moment my n800 is pretty much doing what I want.
05:42.32K`zanOld 2008 release.
05:42.36madaracts like it's going to but the file is reported to be 2.3mb tries pulling something about 700k says it can't install and then shows up in the installed apps list Broken of course...
05:42.52K`zanI do keep thinking that going back to 2007 might be wise, dunno yet.
05:43.02madarany sign of them clearing anytime soon?
05:43.15K`zanOne I keep trying to get keeps telling me the file is corrupted...
05:43.20K`zanNo idea.
05:43.32madarI guess we wait.
05:43.34K`zanI really don't.
05:43.35madarthanks all
05:43.40K`zanNothing else to do :-).
05:43.43Phobbe1how long have the repos been hosed? I've been trying to get the sdk environment set up in anticipation of getting an N800 in the next couple days, and I'm planning my attack.
05:44.13Luriaiphome was nice. poorly named though.
05:44.13K`zanI would think getting the sdk installed should be a lot easier than apps for the time being.
05:44.14madarhosed at least three days I can tell
05:44.17pupnik_K`zan: my text was just a symbolic interruption - i make no threat against your person.
05:44.24|RLuria : indeed, iPhome :P
05:44.31K`zanpupnik_: Good, you live longer that way ;-)!
05:45.10K`zanAnd I'd, for the most part, miss ya :-)!
05:45.32pupnik_it was just meant to illustrate how annoying force is, when it interrupts our productive stuff
05:45.34K`zanApps seem to be scatted to the winds, I have no idea what is really available for 2008
05:46.01K`zan.357 usually keeps nasty interruptions very brief :-).
05:46.05pupnik_like WATERBOARDING DEATH DROWNING
05:46.10pupnik_K\ZAN DIE DIE DIE
05:46.12pupnik_DIE DIE DIE
05:46.14pupnik_DIE DIE
05:46.15pupnik_DIE
05:46.16pupnik_DIE
05:46.21K`zanUnless people who know just laugh at you ...
05:46.23pupnik_lots of carriage riturns
05:46.29pupnik_in the waterboarding proces
05:46.40pupnik_no escape
05:46.40K`zanSure you shouldn't be on undernet LOL
05:46.42pupnik_from it
05:46.46pupnik_see
05:46.50Luriagah 357
05:46.50Luriai like semis
05:46.54pupnik_you are now in my power
05:47.00pupnik_no hope
05:47.04pupnik_you are innocent
05:47.12pupnik_but for the fact that i think you know someone
05:47.19K`zan<PROTECTED>
05:47.20pupnik_who approves of waterboarding
05:47.23pupnik_so there is no hope
05:47.26pupnik_from now
05:47.34pupnik_to the next four years
05:47.40pupnik_you will be subject ot the torture
05:47.43pupnik_of the state
05:47.48pupnik_that says you are the evil
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05:47.53pupnik_without the right of proof
05:47.57pupnik_and you will be tortured
05:48.05Luriasigh... i just saw a sig 219-5-9 on gunsamerica
05:48.07K`zanMostly from the middle east and that loony cult.
05:48.17Luriamerely $4000
05:48.52K`zanYeah, I prefer the working stuff, some of that stuff is just absurdly expensive and to what point?
05:49.39Luriabecause it is a serivice pistol that can do .75 inch at 100yds
05:49.53K`zanOld tokarovs are pretty decent for the purpose intended, but ammo ain't cheap.
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05:50.07Lurianot a carry weapon, but a thing of beauty.
05:50.14K`zanHeh, these daysn not ammo is cheap...
05:50.27K`zanNot in my budget, unfortunately.
05:50.40Lurianor mine
05:50.47Luriaplus shooting is hard in nyc
05:51.00K`zanOnly for folks who obey the law.
05:51.03K`zanBad laws.
05:51.27Luriayou have no idea
05:51.41K`zanYes, I do. lives in chicago for way too long.
05:51.47Lurianyc laws force shooters to buy guns
05:52.03|Rhaha what?
05:52.17K`zanYep, to have a prayer against the criminals, they make you one.  Disgusting.
05:52.21Luriai cant get a license ($450) without buying a gun
05:52.46K`zanAccording to the second, licensing is just flat wrong.
05:53.02Luriaif you are approved for a home premises permit, you have 30 days to purchase a gun, or the permit expires
05:53.15K`zanWhen your ability to protect you and yours the law is bad.
05:53.33K`zanDraw a money flow diagram :-).
05:53.49Luriaso you cant rent guns in nyc
05:53.56K`zanI have been in NYC and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again.
05:54.05K`zanI have been in NYC twice and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again.
05:54.10Luria(other than .22 rifles at one pistol range)
05:54.13K`zanDitto chicago.
05:54.36K`zanThe pols make crim pay extremly well...
05:54.47K`zansheez, I can't type tonight...
05:55.03Luriaoh please. nyc rocks. gun laws here suck, but a life lived elsewhere is a life less lived.
05:55.19Phobbe1K`zan: where in NYC were you? It's a city of much variety. :)
05:55.25K`zanThanks, I'll take freedom over a "life" there.
05:55.40K`zanWent through it, too depressing for me.
05:55.53K`zanStinky sardine can :-).
05:56.01K`zan<PROTECTED>
05:56.09Phobbe1ahh, perhaps you were actually in jersey
05:56.11timelesssardine, now that's on topic
05:56.40Luriahmmm nokia app... ballisitc lookup/shot recording
05:56.46K`zanLOL, I only went there once :-).  Told my boss at the time that if he ever sent me to the NE US I'd quit.  Did.
05:57.29Luriahmmm maybe an x-5...
05:57.31K`zanAs far as I am personally concerned, the world (in the US) doesn't exist north of the mason-dixon line and east of the Mississippi river :).
05:57.56Luriasorry your world is so small.
05:58.18celestehThat explains many of your political ideas. . . .
05:58.27Phobbe1what about new hamshire? That's a bastion of libertarian freedom. and it's perdy
05:58.32Luriaplus if you are a shooter, you are missing out on VT and PA
05:58.37K`zanYep, I study history as a hobby -)
05:58.52Luriano licensing in VT
05:59.10K`zanNot to say that there are not some good places and even people in that void, I just don't want to go there - too close to MA :-).
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05:59.55celestehpunik_, i'm right there with you on the torture issue.
06:00.01celestehpupnik_, i mean
06:00.17celestehWhat?  MA is cool.  Well, cold actually
06:00.28celestehbut the people who live there are pretty happy
06:00.37K`zanNobody should but there are people to whom it works and is right.
06:00.48Luriaone of these days i have to send in my FL CWP  paperwork
06:01.02pupnik_i'm saying
06:01.06Luriagah. red sox fans.
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06:01.11pupnik_if you live in the mother fucking USA
06:01.23pupnik_and you do not go out there and promote ron paul
06:01.29K`zanLOL
06:01.35celestehwe're supposed to be the most moral country on earth or something.  so why not act like it?
06:01.39pupnik_then you have to defend your sick brain right here and now
06:01.48pupnik_no you are poisoned
06:01.49K`zanThis is almost like living here in scabattle.
06:01.54celestehno, see, that's the part where i don't follow your logic
06:01.59pupnik_K`zan: where do you live
06:02.36K`zancelesteh: Because there are people far worse than ANYTHING the US will ever do, I hope you never meet those that make shit like that necessary.
06:02.36Luriapupnik_, didnt know you support racist politicians.
06:02.39pupnik_the ability for you to use linux on your tablet is a core issue of maemo
06:02.43pupnik_lol Luria
06:02.45celestehwouldn't working with pre-existing structures that work internationally to promote peace and conforming to international law be the solution to american lawlessness?
06:02.56K`zanSeattle, WA USA - the only US city with a public statue of Lenin...
06:03.07pupnik_you ready to start?  All other topics are dead if you want to engage
06:03.07celestehi love that statue
06:03.17K`zanShow me somethng that works and we'll talk.
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06:03.36K`zanCoddling terrorist only makes them bolder.
06:03.44Luriaafk
06:03.44celestehno, see, what's worse than torturing people?
06:03.46pupnik_If you want me to respond, then invoke my name like luria
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06:03.56pupnik_luria has my respect
06:04.05Newtesting~~
06:04.18pupnik_this channel has been waterboarded
06:04.32K`zanDisgust is not waterboarding either :)
06:04.32celestehi mean, what makes people do something as desperate as blowing themselves up?  they've got to be really unhappy or angry
06:04.33pupnik_you are drowning
06:04.42pupnik_you have no air
06:04.49K`zanMentally defective?  Lazy? Stupid?
06:04.50pupnik_you can not breathe
06:04.59pupnik_you have no oxygen
06:05.08K`zanOnly briefly :)
06:05.10pupnik_there is no food left for any thought
06:05.15pupnik_there is only null
06:05.18pupnik_null
06:05.24celestehmy gf's sister is developmentally disabled.  thanks for implying she might be a terrorist.  i know her family appreciates it when people say stupid shit like that
06:05.27pupnik_and you approach death
06:05.28K`zanThat is the point, get answers, save lives of people worth having alive.
06:05.35pupnik_and you are not guilty
06:05.40K`zancelesteh: Get real.
06:05.44pupnik_you are only a goat herd
06:05.52pupnik_you are only a maemo fan
06:05.53celestehget real how?  "mentally defective"
06:05.53pupnik_?
06:05.54K`zanOK, I've had enough sillyness.
06:05.59pupnik_you only like maemo?
06:06.07pupnik_you only want to milk the goats?
06:06.09celestehit's silly because it effects other people, right
06:06.16pupnik_you only want to milk the internet tablets?
06:06.25pupnik_but you are strapped to the board?
06:06.25celestehok, here's the scenario:  there's a ticking time bomb!
06:06.32pupnik_and you are plunged into the water?
06:06.40pupnik_and then you are inhaling the water?
06:06.41celestehwe're pretty sure pupnik_ planted it
06:06.41r4dari am strapped to the board
06:06.44pupnik_BUT WHY WHY
06:06.45r4darupside down
06:06.45r4dari can't breath
06:06.46pupnik_WHY WHY
06:06.49r4dari can't breathe!!
06:06.51celestehbut we don't know where he is!
06:06.52pupnik_WHY IS THIS CNANLE
06:06.57pupnik_WHY ARE WE TALKING
06:07.01pupnik_WBOUT THW TOUIH
06:07.02celestehr4dar knows where he is
06:07.03pupnik_TNTYHE
06:07.04pupnik_T
06:07.09celestehbut r4der isn't saying where he is
06:07.10r4darthe water in my nose i inhaled it into my lungs
06:07.16celestehdo we torture r4der?
06:07.20pupnik_for no reason
06:07.27pupnik_maemo was waterboarded
06:07.31pupnik_but
06:07.32pupnik_you
06:07.33pupnik_can
06:07.33r4dari can't breathe!!!!
06:07.35pupnik_not
06:07.36pupnik_stop
06:07.39pupnik_the
06:07.46r4dari'm innocent wtf!
06:07.50pupnik_right
06:07.53celestehr4dar gets wide to this and goes into hiding before we catch them
06:07.58pupnik_i'm just fucking with #maemo
06:08.03celestehso let's arrest r4der's brother
06:08.22celestehor the brother's hairdresser
06:08.23pupnik_it will continue until you support Ron Paul
06:08.29celestehlol
06:08.32K`zan"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" --General Curtis LeMay
06:08.32pupnik_not funny
06:08.40K`zanAnd that is all I have to say on the subject.
06:08.48pupnik_cunt
06:08.55pupnik_dripping slimy cunt
06:09.00tesh609I dare you to waterboard your nokias, and see whether they tell you any good info after that.
06:09.05celestehsexist insults coming from where?
06:09.10pupnik_no nokia is now waterboarded
06:09.15pupnik_freedom is dead
06:09.16|Rhaha
06:09.36pupnik_go to the freenode ops
06:09.44r4daryou are waterboarding me so I suppport Ron Paul?
06:09.44celestehron paul, the libretarian utopia where it's cool to call women by super sexist names
06:09.46pupnik_i am the #maemo neocon
06:09.51celestehyeah, this is why i can't get behind him
06:10.00r4darcan you promise he will eliminate waterboarding from the CIA?
06:10.08pupnik_i will waterboard #maemo
06:10.10celestehi don't think we need to pick between respecting rights at home and abroad
06:10.14tesh609he'll find "viable alternatives"
06:10.20r4daris Ron Paul against waterboarding?
06:10.22pupnik_until you guys ...eh... uhtil i go to sleep
06:10.28pupnik_YES~!
06:10.32r4darnot again!
06:10.33r4darokay okay
06:10.41celestehuntil you get frustrated at call us "slimy dripping cunts?"
06:10.42r4darI will support Ron Paul
06:10.47r4darno one deserved to be waterboarded
06:10.50pupnik_hi r4dar you are VERY STUPID
06:10.52pupnik_read
06:11.01celestehI'll support anybody who calls me a slimy dripping cunt!  where do i sign up?
06:11.18celestehRon Paul seems more and more like a Lyndon LaRouche for the 21st century
06:11.19pupnik_HI PEOPLE IN MAEMO PLESE SHUT THE FUCK UP
06:11.28tesh609haha
06:11.29pupnik_PLEASE READ ANTIWAR>COM
06:11.31|RAND MERRY X-MAS ? :P
06:11.33pupnik_SHUT THE FUCK UP
06:11.34tesh609LaRouche, nice.
06:11.40pupnik_YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID
06:11.44celestehpupnik_, you used to be really cool . . . but um . . .
06:11.49pupnik_THIS IS YOUR MENTAL WATERMBOARDING
06:11.51celestehcalling people fucking stupid isn't so cool
06:11.56tesh609alcohol getting through
06:11.57pupnik_i think it is
06:12.05pupnik_but i'll stop - thx
06:12.07Luriaeh, wtf
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06:12.25celestehwell, generally the way to get people to come around to your point of view isn't by calling them stupid
06:12.38celestehor by showing hostyility to 51% of the population by using sex-based insults
06:12.44celestehit has a way of turning people off
06:12.44tesh609unless you're waterboarding them througoutfully ...
06:12.47Luriachrist. i just like shooting.
06:13.01tesh609when there's a will, there's a way. A watery way.
06:13.35celestehfuck man, torture isn't funny, but it has a way of becoming so when we're all fucking stupid
06:14.40Luriawhatever, leave the morality of torture aside; its not particularly effective.
06:14.51celestehindeed
06:14.54tesh609maybe was it sarcasm..
06:15.27celestehi can't say how much it alarms me that the national debate on whether or not we should torture hinges on it's effectiveness. . .  or that there's a debate at all
06:15.53tesh609yeah it really is pityful
06:16.03Luriawhy not?
06:16.07celestehI miss being the good guys
06:16.11Luriamorals are subject to debate
06:16.26celestehwell, yeah, but torturing people shouldn't be a grey area
06:16.34tesh609forcing physically/mentally unpleasant things onto others aren't.
06:16.55celestehi remember when we used to say other countries were bad because they did it.
06:17.04celestehi miss those hypocritical days
06:17.32tesh609well, it's always the same.
06:17.35Luriaactually the problem is not doing it,but the standards and oversight and the conditions that merit it.
06:17.40Luriaand the definition.
06:17.52Luriafor then, why incarcerate people.
06:18.12Luriai can make a straight faced argument that prison is torture.
06:18.26Luriatherefore, no one should be in prison.
06:18.44Luriaby that aforementioned reasoning.
06:18.44celestehthe idea is that first of all, people get a trial.  and the punishment fit the crime
06:18.46tesh609burning dead people that signed waver to let us do so, vs keeping someone alive constantly drowning isn't quite a good comparison.
06:19.37Luriawhile im am actually enjoying  this,
06:19.38celestehbut american prison does indeed involve torture, given the frequency of prison rape
06:19.56Luriai dont feel i can be as articulate as possible on my bt keyboard
06:20.00celestehheh
06:20.02tesh609and the quantity of people in prison per capital.
06:20.05tesh609capita
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06:20.31celestehnon-violent drug offenders . . . prison doesn't reduce the levels of drug use overall, but it does spread AIDS
06:20.54Luriawho are you trying to convince?
06:21.05Luriaerr... whom
06:21.31r4darwe are going to become the good guys once again
06:21.34celestehI don't know.  It's like, I agree with Ron Paul supporters about all of these problems existing, but then their solution just . . . . doesn't seem to follow
06:21.34r4darhttp://ronpaul2008.com
06:21.34r4dar=)
06:21.41tesh609haha yeah right.
06:21.52celesteheven a little bit
06:22.01celestehalso, the cultishness is alarming
06:22.06Luriaoh joy, the moral conviction to do nothing, ever.
06:22.25r4darcelesteh: what policy bothers you?
06:22.26Luriathats just what i want.
06:22.40celestehwell, sending so many people to prison
06:22.53celestehand invading other countries overseas and generally being a rogue state
06:23.23r4darcelesteh: right... so why are you against leaving Iraq and defending our own land
06:23.29celestehi'm all for peace at home and abroad. and a social safety net - because you're just as dead if you're killed by direct violence or structural violence
06:23.54r4daryeah
06:23.55celestehr4dar, i beleive you're putting some words in my mouth there
06:24.07r4darmaybe
06:24.15Luriayour just as dead if you die from cellular collapse - that does not lead to equating the causes
06:24.37r4darI'll just say , as an economist, that the United States is in serious trouble.
06:24.44r4darthat is my reason for supporting Ron Paul
06:25.01celestehto use an overseas example: privatized water:  you're just as dead if a foreign company has mercenaries shoot you than if you are because you can't buy food and medecine and water
06:25.23celestehthe company has caused your death
06:25.29Luriano it hasnt
06:25.31r4darthe credit markets are melting down
06:25.39r4dar2008 is going to be one nasty year
06:26.05celestehif your water bills are so high that you have to go with out antibiotics and starve, and you die of dyssentery, how has it not caused your death?
06:26.46Luriathen boil your water.
06:26.52Luriatrade and make value.
06:27.09celestehif half your income is going to water bills, you don't have a lot of wiggle room
06:27.35celestehto buy things like fuel for boiling or to trade and make value
06:27.40celestehif you're old or already sick
06:28.05Luriathen plan better. or become part of a social network that has support.
06:28.26Luriabut dont compel people to follow your muddy morality
06:28.32celestehwell, in Bolivia, the World Bank decided that all the water in the country, including rain water, should be sold to a private foreign firm
06:28.41celestehwhich happened
06:28.58celestehand so a bunch of old, sick people really had to decide between paying for their medecine or for their water
06:29.04celestehpeople were fined for collecting rain water
06:29.18Luriathen riot against a government that doesnt support you, but takes from you.
06:29.24celestehtheoretically, maybe all of bolivia could have become refugees
06:29.43celestehwell, the world bank gets mostn of it's direction and a lot of it's funding from the US
06:29.56celestehso we didn't invade bolivia or bomb them, but we sure killed a lot of bolivians
06:30.07celestehbefore they were able to successfully organize against this
06:30.40r4darcelesteh: that's unacceptable
06:30.48celesteh"structural violence" isn't a term i made up.  It's something you learn about if you major in international relations
06:30.56r4darcelesteh: local control
06:31.04celestehwhen i was in college i had a room mate who had such a major
06:31.43celestehpeople foten have to organize internationally to get local control.  the bolovians were successful because they got support from all over the world
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06:32.27celestehso international structures and organizations can be really helpful to people.  globalization doesn't need to only be fore coporations
06:33.06celestehNGOs, UNESCO, all of these groups can be really great for workers
06:34.23celestehand, aside from the cultishness of the supporters, that's what seems lacking in Ron Paul's platform.  He wants to get out of corrupt pro-corporate structures . . .and replace them with nothing.  He wants to get out of much less corrupt peaceful structures . . . and replace them with nothing.
06:34.50celestehYou can't just up and quite the ICC and the UN and SALT, etc etc etc while you still have so many nuclear bombs without scaring the bejeesus out of everybody
06:35.21celestehAnd it's not like he wants to outlaw corporations or multinationals.  he just wants to get out of a bunch of the structures that are supposed to monitor them
06:35.23VulcanisI would.
06:35.30VulcanisJust to scare the bejeesus out of people.
06:35.42celestehRight, but it's not a good idea if they also have nukes
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06:36.26Yurivilcahttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t
06:36.30YurivilcaCheck out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance!
06:36.39Luriano abiword yet, huh?
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06:37.20celestehI wish every ron Paul person would take all this tremendous amounts of energy and take it to  the street
06:37.36celestehlike, Out there with "Us out of Iraq now" signs
06:37.39celestehmaybe also flyering
06:37.52celestehactivists in the street have real potential to change things
06:38.05celestehlike, mobilized in real life, not just on the internet
06:38.13celestehi wish all these guys would go to some antiwar protests
06:38.21Luriaclearly the abiword maintainer is oppressing the poor Bolivians, because now they can't use their n800 to write anti WTO literature.
06:38.32Phobbe1hehe
06:38.36celestehheh
06:39.44r4daryou'll see it
06:39.48r4darJanuary 1st
06:39.53celestehhey, maybe i'm annoying but it's funny that when you talk about solutions other than taking your ball and going home, the ronpaulies go silent
06:39.56r4darronpaul.meetup.com
06:39.56celestehoops, spoke too soon
06:40.32r4darhaha
06:40.36r4darthat's clever
06:40.47celestehif i go to the meetup, will his supporters call me a "slimy dripping cunt," becuase if not, I'm not going
06:40.54r4darbut i think many would point to the economy immediately after that
06:41.06r4darcelesteh: you live in US?
06:41.26celestehyep
06:41.57r4dari'm they could arrange something!
06:42.05r4darsure*
06:43.09celestehum, see, pupnik used that slur earlier to try to convince people and it was actually quite offensive, so i thought it would be ironically amusing to reference it again . . . and nevermind
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06:43.34celestehwhy am i spending my holiday talking politics in #maemo?
06:44.14r4darpupnik was so drunk he logged himself out of IRC
06:44.39r4darbecause the Internet is a bastion of free and open discourse
06:44.51celestehi'm relieved to hear that he was drunk and hasn't just lost it
06:45.16celestehbecause my family stresses me out so much that i have to ramp down my annoyance level slowly or i'll go into withdrawl?
06:45.29r4dardo you know him?
06:46.01celestehnot personally.  i lurk here a lot and he's on all the time.  always good with a piece of advice and the software he develops is cool
06:46.45r4darah k
06:48.00r4darare you involved with this maemo project?
06:48.36celestehi run an n800 and would like to do some development, but since i'm a mac user, it's been not possible so far
06:48.55celestehSo I'll learn pyhton in my copious free time
06:49.03celestehI want to port supercollider to maemo
06:49.05vegaihmm, still no $100 n810
06:49.31celestehThe windows version is written in python, so it might be easier than I think, if i ever get around to it
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06:53.37Phobbe1celesteh: I'm going to be doing a lot with testing and expanding the ARM port of PureData on the n800. Here's to portable electronic music!
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07:19.01codiim trying to compile maemopad 1.5 for ubuntu mobile
07:21.05codichecking for OSSO... configure: error:
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07:21.20codiim stuck here , ant pointers
07:21.54Yurivilcahttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t
07:21.58YurivilcaCheck out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance!  Vote Romney 2008   He is different!!!
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07:37.10Phobbe1I'm having a little path trouble in scratchbox2. whenever a program looks for a configuration file, it's looking relative to my actual root directory, instead of relative to ~/buildroot. There's got to be a way to do this, right?
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07:37.56jga23any idea when the repository will be fixed?
07:38.12timelessnext year
07:38.20timelessjga23: are you in a hurry?
07:38.41timelessinfobot repository.maemo.org deb
07:38.42infobotwell, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
07:39.05timelessif you're in a hurry, that .deb should probably be good enough today
07:39.43Phobbe1timeless: what's the difference between those repos and the repostory.maemo.org (notice the removed I)?
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07:41.00timelessprobbe1: repostory is stage, which is the backing service for my repository and the CFN
07:41.08timelesss/CFN//CDN
07:41.40timelessthe reason there's a CDN is because the backing service can't deal w/ the load
07:42.01timelessbut the problem w/ the clever "hack"
07:42.16timelessis that from what i understand, the application manager will pin installs by repository
07:42.48timelessi believe (but have no useful way to verify) that if you install something from repostory, you won't be able to later upgrade to a deb from respository
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07:44.34Phobbe1how is the application manager different from apt-get (which is what I'm used to)?
07:44.59Phobbe1(besides a pretty interface)
07:45.53Vulcanisit has matrix references
07:46.27timelessthat's kinda like asking how kubuntu is different from debian
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07:47.43timelessif you have the mxr-maemo-org-dns deb, then this url http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ would let you read the source
07:48.02timelessinfobot mxr-maemo-org deb
07:48.09timelessinfobot mxr.maemo.org deb
07:48.09infobot[mxr.maemo.org deb] unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
07:48.15timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/
07:48.32timelessis the same content (different branding)
07:49.46Phobbe1Vulcanis: what are matrix references?
07:49.57Vulcanisredpill/bluepill mode.
07:50.40Phobbe1Vulcanis: hehe, I was trying to figure out how to organize dependency information into some sort of matrix or something
07:51.07VulcanisYeah, its what I get for being tired in a room full of tech litterate people.
07:51.33Phobbe1:)
07:56.30VulcanisStop, you might hurt it.
07:56.36VulcanisScratchbox, not your head.
07:56.49timelesswould anyone notice?
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07:57.50NewHow to add the expression picture
07:58.07timeless?
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07:59.32Newsuch as a smile face
08:00.10Newor makes the ugly face
08:02.07Phobbe1if you're seeing graphics for those, they're being done by your IRC client whenever somebody else does a regular emoticon. For instance, when I combine a ":" with a ")" it becomes :)
08:03.22Newthank,i know :)
08:03.28New:(
08:04.16New:This is the my second day to here,:)
08:05.01NewThis is the my second day to here,:)
08:05.12New:)
08:05.31Vulc|SleepysleepYeah, its like my tenth
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08:06.37truentanyone pretty fluent in how to use dbus? and/or dbus-send
08:12.01truentforget pretty fluent, this may be elementary ;p
08:12.25New:p
08:13.10alptruent: sure. best strategy is to just ask :-)
08:13.27timelessheh
08:13.28truentsuppose so heh
08:13.32timelessyeah
08:14.01truenthcitool is gone in os2008.. im trying to use the new BlueZ dbus api to scan for available bluetooth devices..
08:14.39cy3o3wow, look at that.. the update is actually working now ;)
08:14.39truentwhen i try through dbus-send.. it doesnt give me the output i expect.. it gives me like a reference number of some sort.. doesnt print out anything immediately of use..
08:14.55NewYou will go to look in 2008 Olympic Games?:0
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08:15.27truentwondering if theres someway to grab the output through a simple dbus-send call.. as opposed to some signal handler etc
08:16.26truentorg.bluez     /org/bluez/hci0     org.bluez.Adapter.DiscoverDevices         is the info..
08:16.34alptruent: DiscoverDevices is asynchronous, so you need to add watch handlers for the replies. http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices has some good examples
08:16.57timelessalp: there you go being helpful
08:16.58alpdoing it with dbus-send alone may not be possible
08:16.58truentthats what i thought, theres no way on the command line to pull that info out?
08:17.01timelessnow he'll have expectations
08:17.09truentok
08:17.37alptimeless: haha. i've had my morning coffee, i'll be helpful for another 20 minutes or so ;-)
08:18.00truenti'll just use the os2007 hcitool until alterego implements our dream ruby-dbus ;)
08:18.08timelessheh
08:18.14alpyou could hack up something with dbus-monitor but python/c# or a real language is probably the way to go
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08:18.53truentyeah, im using ruby.. and i know there isnt much support yet.. good ol python has it no prob
08:18.55truentbastids
08:19.25truentand im not doing a dbus-script for something as lame as that
08:19.41truenti'll just include the old hcitool bin in my deb i guess
08:19.59truentthanks btw alp ;p
08:20.07NewYou discuss the thing has been too abstruse, I cannot understand:(
08:20.25alptruent: you're welcome!
08:20.26truentnew, what language do you understand?
08:20.30timelessnew: you don't have to understand everything
08:21.06timelesstruent: ideally you'd make a deb that contains hcitool
08:21.11timelessand do a depends a|b
08:21.30timelessso that if the bluez-utils-test or whatever deb appears, people can get that
08:21.35timelessinstead of you thing
08:21.57truentand if it doesnt it wont do mine?
08:22.08truenterr will do mine
08:22.17timelessyeah
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08:22.28truentyeah im all for some official crap ;p
08:23.35NewYou saw me not to understand English?
08:23.54truentnew, what language do you speak?
08:24.28truentk
08:24.32truentsounds good
08:24.49Newchinese
08:24.53truentahh
08:24.56New:P
08:24.57truentni how ma
08:25.08Newfine!!
08:25.21truent;p thats it for me in chinese
08:26.35Newcan u speak chinese?
08:26.54truentno.. chinese friends
08:27.02hahlowonder why they doesn't tech chinese and japanese in schools
08:27.11timeless?
08:27.19timelessmy high school taught chinese
08:27.37Phobbe1I think it's getting more common. especially in schools with money
08:27.57Newhave you  seen the Chinese character?
08:28.02Phobbe1languages don't seem to be a high priority in american schools, though, unfortunately
08:28.11hahlomy elementary school only english and swedish
08:28.57Newi`ll Writes the Chinese character ÄãÃǺÃ!:P
08:29.31hahlochinese can be biggest language now
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08:30.18Newwe study english at Elementary school in China
08:30.42NewBut we study not well
08:31.17hahloyes some reason english seems popular
08:31.34NewI had already studied 20 year English, but has not been able to listen not to be able saying that cannot write
08:31.38New:(
08:31.46truentin scratchbox do you have to install by file.. or can you somehow download like normal from repos etc
08:32.13Phobbe1truent: you're on a debian system?
08:32.20truentyeah
08:32.36Phobbe1add this line to your sources.list:
08:32.37Phobbe1deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main
08:33.37mk8Hi to all .... I try to upgrade my N800 to chinock .... but a lot of application not work ... :( ... the published OS2008 application too, like map and other ... :(
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08:34.32truentPhobbe1, scratchbox or my box
08:34.49hahlomk8: yeah I had to go back os2007 too
08:34.49Phobbe1truent: on your computer
08:35.08Phobbe1truent: /etc/apt/sources.list
08:35.09truenthmm i cant connect to anything
08:35.24Phobbe1can you connect to your regular repositories?
08:35.25truentyeah i did that.. but thats not the prob i dont think hang on
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08:35.34truentfrom my box? yeah no prob
08:36.08Phobbe1it should connect to that repo just the same as the rest of your regular ones
08:36.38truentthen download from that?
08:36.43mk8:(
08:36.49truentand cp to my scratchbox?
08:37.27Phobbe1truent: oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to install scratchbox, not install apps to scratchbox
08:37.36truentahh yeah
08:38.01Phobbe1truent: what repos do you have in the sources.list inside scratchbox?
08:38.39truentthe normal ones.. actually repostory.maemo.org ;p... but i cant connect to anything i dont think
08:39.08Phobbe1can you ping from within scratchbox?
08:39.36truentpings not avail ;p
08:39.40truentwget doesnt work though
08:39.47truentResolving www.yahoo.com...
08:39.49truentnothing
08:40.03truenti saw a faq on this though.. i'll find it no worries
08:40.07truentbed time methinks ;P
08:40.15Vulc|Sleepysleepsleep well.
08:40.20truentg'night!
08:41.48hahlog'morning (GMT +2)
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08:42.16Newg`afternoon:)
08:43.23hahlomany timezones here :)
08:43.41Vulc|SleepysleepI'm in the only real timezone, so I really could care less about you losers.
08:44.46NewWe come from different place
08:45.52hahloyes surprisingly many has bought internet tablet
08:47.19hahloeven google find few pages with 'hack n800' not any good thou
08:47.53Newis there everybody come from American ?
08:48.49Vulc|SleepysleepI am from america, I believe a majority of this channel is.
08:48.53Phobbe1yeah, I think that this could be a great platform for open source development, so I'm hoping that the community stays active
08:49.11Phobbe1I'm form the US, too
08:49.19Phobbe1s/form/from
08:49.34Newi m from China
08:49.41hahlono I'm from east europe, rubber boot factory land
08:49.50Vulc|SleepysleepHehe.
08:50.22hahlonokia makes good rubber boots that's why I bought n800 too
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08:51.10Newis it for Technological exchange in here?
08:52.02hahlohaven't seen any secret code yet
08:52.28Newara you talk about nokia?
08:53.07hahloabout this n800
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08:54.37hahloI thought that I hear something from bootloader, it doesn't seem like open source
08:54.38Newall of you are Technical personnel?
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08:57.10Phobbe1hahlo: some(most?) software that comes on the n770/800/810 is not open source. The platform isn't locked down, though, as opposed to say the iphone(although that's been hacked, too)
08:57.45Vulc|Sleepysleepiphone sdk is getting released soon
08:58.20hahloPhobbe1: yeah but I thought maemo is like handhelds to ipaq
08:58.32NewWhat I use is Nokia E50, the system is symbian
08:58.49Phobbe1Vulc|Sleepysleep: good point
08:59.04hahlohandhelds realy tried with many ipaqs
09:00.14Vulc|SleepysleepMaemo is ALOT more open than most other handheld OSes
09:01.16hahlothose which couldn't flash, somebody wrote app to kick wince out of memory and boot familiar from sd card
09:01.21Newhow much did u buy nokia n800 in US ?
09:02.06hahloI think familiar is more open than os2007
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09:03.48Newi cant find the quoted price of n800,may be it isnot going on the market in China
09:04.21psykoyikookay, so repos are broken
09:04.42psykoyikoThis has probably been asked a hojillion times before, but, um, are there mirrors?
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09:06.07Phobbe1infobot repository.maemo.org deb
09:06.08infobotsomebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
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09:08.35Newi inquired  n800 price about 3600RMB.and in your city?
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09:09.10Phobbe1psykoyiko: that deb basically points your repositories to a mirror. I don't know how well it works or how complete it is, but I think people are using it
09:11.10psykoyikoyeah, I inspected it
09:11.50psykoyikosomebody's dreamhost account
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09:17.19Newwho looked at the  soap opera "despairs housewife"?
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09:39.52KhertanHi !
09:39.53New:)
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09:41.58Newhow many cities in US named "fairview"?
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09:45.34Phobbe1I just apt-get updated from repository.maemo.org in scratchbox....
09:46.11Phobbe1perhaps they have finally heard our cries and teeth-gnashing?
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09:48.45sibbe..and installing maemo-tools succeeded, ~70MB of downloads
09:59.17Phobbe1it was doing so well for a while...
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10:09.09tbfare there alternatives to navicore?
10:09.31tbffirst this crapware aborts the map download, and now it doesn't even start anymore
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10:12.15SpacerHi
10:12.26Spakman_Hi!
10:12.35tbfho
10:12.42SpacerI did a manual install of maemo, and after some pains got everything working (xephyr etc), almost....
10:12.54Spacerapparantly I do not have af-sb-init.sh script anywhere
10:13.12Cptnodegardhttp://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/usb.jpg   if this thing doesnt work ill shoot myself -.-
10:13.47Phobbe1Spacer: I just finished working through that problem. what step are you at?
10:14.15Spacerbasically where every guide says "now you are finished and start with af-sb-init.sh" ;)
10:14.24Spaceri ought to mention I'm on gentoo/amd64
10:14.44Phobbe1do you have the scratchbox environment set up?
10:14.56Spaceryes, and instralled all the packages as well
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10:15.25Phobbe1are you going for just runtime, or a dev environment?
10:15.40Spaceroh definately dev, going to write apps for the n810
10:15.51Phobbe1so you did
10:15.53Phobbe1'oops
10:16.07Phobbe1so you did "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev"?
10:16.17Spacerah, let me look
10:16.23Phobbe1(or maemo-sdk-debug, if you prefer)
10:17.06Phobbe1and make sure you use "fakeroot". (that tripped me up for a while)
10:17.52Spaceri think I did, im running trough the package list now (btw I dont have apt, i use a script and dpkg found on pleas.org)
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10:19.02Phobbe1you're not using apt even inside your scratchbox environment?
10:19.07Spacerno
10:19.13Phobbe1(dependency handling is nice...) :)
10:19.23Spacerwell maybe i am
10:19.33Spacerim using a script that handles it automatically, i haven't really looked at it ;)
10:19.38Spacerit seemed to be going nice and no errors
10:19.58Spacer(hope this wont kick me...)
10:20.03Spacer[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: /tmp] > sh maemo-sdk-virtuals.sh
10:20.04Phobbe1inside your scratchbox, try "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev" and see what happens
10:20.04SpacerGenerating virtual packages provided by Scratchbox
10:20.04Spacer<PROTECTED>
10:20.15Spacerright
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10:20.37Spacerbut i think you are right, i dont see maemo-sdk or anything among the list
10:21.27Phobbe1I think that up to that point you're just installing the basic environment, but installing the actual SDK lets you start up a session
10:21.41Spaceryes that is the problem, no actual maemo sdk, just the rootstrap
10:21.52Spacerright ;)
10:22.07Spacerwell i have to solve this somehow, apt-get didn't work but i'll find a way
10:22.20Phobbe1what happened with apt-get?
10:22.32Spacer"Couldn't find package maemo-sdk-dev"
10:22.42Phobbe1run an "apt-get update"
10:23.21Spaceraah more output now
10:23.33Phobbe1"not in gzip format?"
10:23.36Spaceryes
10:23.52Phobbe1that's because the repositories are foobar'ed right now
10:24.48Phobbe1infobot repository.maemo.org deb
10:24.51infoboti heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
10:25.47Phobbe1Spacer: I think that the "correct" solution right now is to download this deb, use "dpkg -i foo.deb" to install it, and then your sources.list should be pointing to a repository that works
10:26.01Spacerbut basically since i have a running scratchbox, i should be able to use apt stuff in spite of the fact my base system is gentoo?
10:26.14Spaceri mean apt stuff within the scratchbox
10:27.31Spaceryeah update working better now
10:27.32Phobbe1I'm not 100% sure on what the scratchbox environment can and can't do as far as accessing the host system, but I'm pretty sure that even if your host computer is a different distro, you basically have a working debian system inside of scratchbox
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10:28.31Spacerthe fakeroot cmd makes everything point to /targets/chinook_x86 ?
10:29.52sp3000Spacer: fakeroot is a different thing, it just pretends to be root
10:29.55Phobbe1fakeroot is kind of like sudo, except that you get root's privledges for file manipulation without becoming the root user
10:30.04Spaceroh ok
10:30.57Newdinner time~~
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10:32.18|tbb|hi all, is it possible to do x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktoppc
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10:33.41dybnuNew: ？
10:34.02Newtbb:how much did u buy N810 in your city?
10:34.09Spaceroh what are these nokia binaries for? and why aren't they gpl?
10:34.15Newhi,dybnu:)
10:35.19|tbb|New: dont ask me
10:35.43Newwhy?
10:35.52|tbb|to much for my opinion for what i became
10:35.59dybnuNew: 哈哈哈
10:36.58Newdybnu: ½ñÌìæÂð?
10:37.04Phobbe1spacer: Nokia didn't release all the maemo software under the GPL
10:37.07dybnuNew
10:37.29dybnuNew: don't speak chinese PLZ
10:37.38|tbb|the screen colors arent good as on n800 screen, but its better readable in the sunlight. no fm-chip, the gps chip isnt sirf3 based what it was rumored before
10:38.02Phobbe1Spacer: I just installed the binaries and so far it looks like the only difference is the addition of a "contacts" application that doesn't seem to do anything
10:38.08|tbb|i paid the official nokia online store price for germany
10:38.18Newok
10:38.31Spacerooh good... i feared there was still some necessary but secret stuff in there
10:38.59|tbb|cause the salepoints doesnt get the unit until mid january. i asked more than one
10:39.09Phobbe1Spacer: you should be able to run the gui without the non-GPL stuff
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10:39.48Spacerweeheee! looks like its finally working! thanks for the help man. Now I have to wait until I can actually buy a n810.. still not available here :( Cant believe im writing software for something i dont actually have
10:40.13Phobbe1spacer: what app are you working on? what language?
10:40.42Spacera set of math tools, calculators and stuff, and also astronomy software
10:41.01Spacernot something most people care for, im afraid
10:42.32|tbb|anyone has done that before -> x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktop-pc
10:42.54Spacer|tbb|, should be possible, where is the problem?
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10:43.00Phobbe1spacer: not quite as sexy as quake2, but there's nothing wrong with making useful tool out of a toy, eh?
10:43.09Spacerexactly ;)
10:43.32Spacerbasically i was planning on using it to take pdf/articles with me and use it as a very fancy graphical calculator
10:43.57Phobbe1Spacer: RPN? (I love my HP48G)
10:44.05Spacerkinda silly you can buy it in germany but not in holland :(
10:44.27Spaceri only had this HP thing, but its lcd screen was clunky
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10:45.55SpacerPhobbe1, is Nokia's battery life statement accurate?
10:46.18Phobbe1Spacer: I don't know, I don't have the hardware either. :)
10:46.43Phobbe1I've got an N800 coming in the mail on the 28th
10:46.52pemdasiI've had an idea floating in my head for the last few days
10:47.22Spacerdo the n810 and n800 have identical hardware?
10:47.23pemdasiabout writing a simple python app to control modplug in gstreamer
10:47.32pemdasiand soldering a mic jack onto an n800
10:47.41Phobbe1the N800 doesn't have the slide-out keyboard
10:47.42pemdasiand using the n800 as a realtime effects processor
10:47.48oil_do you know how much would cost a new touch screen for N800?  Mine got really scratched.
10:47.48maddlerSpacer: almost...
10:47.56Spacerit appears the Nxxx draw a lot of hackers ;)
10:48.29pemdasiI wonder how bad latency would be
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10:49.09Phobbe1pemdasi: they've ported PureData to run on ARM processors, one of my main reasons for getting an N800 is to play around with it as a portable electronic-music making machine
10:49.27pemdasiPhobbe1: Oh?  That's a good reason to look into PD
10:49.31pemdasiI've put it off constantly
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10:50.28pemdasioh, I did see that, pure data for pda
10:50.35Phobbe1pemdasi: I can't recommend it enough. I do pretty much all my coding in PD, MatLab, or Python
10:50.48SpacerMatLab? music??
10:51.04hugolpPhobbe1:  but the N800 wont be able to handle too much sintetizers or stuff
10:51.11Phobbe1Spacer: I haven't done any full pieces in Matlab, but I've been toying with the idea
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10:51.35Spacerwhat kind of music are you in?
10:52.00pemdasi"calculations. For the implementation side this means that all signal processing (tilde) objects had to be rewritten in order to do their calculations with fixed point numbers. The control calculations are still in floating point and therefore a lot slower.
10:52.04pemdasiBecause of this, it is not straight forward to port externals that are written for Pd to PDa. This means that there are no graphics extensions, additional filters or other additional objects. "
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10:52.45timelesssp3000: you in today?
10:52.48timelessgot lunch plans?
10:52.57Phobbe1Spacer: I tour with a band called Capillary Action playing upright and electric basses, and I do live experimental electroacoustic stuff
10:53.26Spacervery nice, i love enjoying it but how its made is dark magic to me
10:53.37Phobbe1pemdasi: yeah, I don't really have any idea how much performance I can squeeze out of this little guy..
10:54.18Spaceranyone know where i can find lspci or /proc infos from the n8xx ?
10:54.30|tbb|spacer, havent tested it yet, but i will try it
10:54.33Phobbe1Spacer: (I'm also finishing up my Electrical Engineering degree)
10:55.16Spacercool im working on my physics phd
10:55.35Phobbe1Spacer: in astronomy, I presume?
10:56.17Spacerno, thats just a personal hobby of mine, my main field is plasma physics
10:56.28Spacerhigh energy plasmas
10:56.53timelesshrm, that's odd
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10:57.14Spacerso im planning on using the n8xx as a mobile calculator/plotter/article repos/etc...
10:57.23timelessoh, sucks to be me
10:57.59Spaceri dont know of any ordinary calculator that can give me the value of J0(23.114)
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10:58.48timelesssp3000, http://mxr.maemo.org/maemo/ just got the visual refresh
10:59.23pemdasijust installed pda
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11:02.19Phobbe1pemdasi: is it working straight out of the box?
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11:02.36pemdasiI'm playing around with it
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11:02.42pemdasiI'm not at all familiar with PD
11:02.44pemdasibut it's running
11:02.54Phobbe1pemdasi: I'm glad it's so easy!
11:02.56pemdasinot sure how to get any audio to play
11:03.06pemdasiwell, there's a deb on the pda site
11:03.16pemdasiand it installed on os2008 easily
11:05.27Spacerdoes the device have the full set of GTK+ APIs?
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11:06.34GNUtonHi
11:06.52Spacerhi
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11:07.04blackd0tGood morning
11:07.10Spacersiema
11:07.15blackd0tsiema :)
11:09.30blackd0tI'm currently trying to compile my program on maemo using libpcap, but it gives me the "undefined reference" linker errors on pcap_* functions, so I guess there must be some problem with reading the installed libraries. Tell me if the compile line is fine for maemo: gcc -o prog prog.c -lpcap
11:10.00|tbb|pemdasi whats pda
11:10.32pemdasihm
11:10.45pemdasido you know what pure data is?
11:10.50Phobbe1|tbb|: PDa is a port of PD(PureData) that'd designed to run on ARM processors
11:11.04pemdasiI'm having trouble getting it to output audio
11:11.21pemdasi<PROTECTED>
11:11.27Phobbe1PureData is a graphical programming language primarily used for audio processing/synthesis, but also for video and pretty much anything else
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11:11.42Phobbe1(the PDa port doesn't have the video stuff, though)
11:12.18Phobbe1pemdasi: hmmm...I don't know how the audio backend works in maemo. is it OSS?
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11:13.25|tbb|ah k
11:13.32pemdasiI don't know enough about it myself.
11:16.23Phobbe1pemdasi: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/enablinggstreamersupport/
11:16.47Phobbe1it looks like you might need to install some gstreamer packages to make the OSS interface (/dev/dsp) available
11:17.23pemdasihm
11:20.02pemdasiWell
11:20.24pemdasi/proc/asound and /dev/sndstat exist already
11:20.32pemdasithat wiki entry is for the 770
11:22.36Phobbe1perhaps you have the alsa layer, but not the OSS layer?
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11:23.40|tbb|is there a gconf ui ported to os2008, allready?
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11:29.27pemdasiPDa crashed several times
11:29.31pemdasisomething is odd here
11:29.35pemdasiwill look into it more
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11:30.41Phobbe1pemdasi: hrmm. Well, as of the 28th I'll be hacking away at it, too
11:31.05sandyang:P
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11:36.57blackd0tDang, I keep getting the "undefined reference to 'pcap_lookupnet'" errors when compiling. Seems that gcc is totally ignoring the -lpcap flag. Does anyone know what may be the problem?
11:38.07Phobbe1ok...sleep...
11:38.11Phobbe1g'night
11:38.17blackd0tgood night
11:40.23sandyanghello everybody
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11:42.19maddlerJaffa: ping
11:49.11|tbb|Zeitüberschreitung: der Anforderung
11:49.21|tbb|maddler ;)
11:49.35sandyang:?
11:49.43sandyang:?
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11:51.54maddler|tbb|: ?
11:52.03maddleram I missing smtg? :)
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11:55.49|tbb|maddler: forgotten you were an italian. thinking of german. meaning ping request timeout
11:56.03maddlerhehehehe... :)
11:58.43maddlerI should take german lessons! :D
11:58.48maddleror spanish...
11:58.51maddlerdunno! :D
11:58.56maddlershould take a decision... :)
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12:39.40Luriaso does anyone else have trouble with disappearing home screen applets?
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12:39.59Luriaor is this a special present for me?
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12:41.04|tbb|nice if u lock the n810 device (keyboard and screen) and u slide the keyboard out, then it unlock the locking mode. if u slide the keyboard back in, the touch will be locked again. the only bad if u slide out the kbd and doing something then sliding it back the touch wont go back in locking mode.
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12:41.52Luriathat kinda makes sense.
12:42.26Luriahow would it know that you arent simply done using the kybd, but still working?
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12:44.03guardiananyone using sbox2 ?
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12:46.36|tbb|if i type something on the keyboard and slide it back it should locked again (cause it also turn off the screen, which is nice)
12:46.48guardiananyone using sbox2 ?
12:47.16gm_what is with maemo's city list
12:48.25gm_it seems to be missing quite a few cities
12:49.06gm_my city may only have 1.1 million people in it...
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12:50.35gm_whoa, that is scary
12:50.48gm_i google for "maemo set timezone", one of the results
12:50.49gm_http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800
12:51.00gm_... and he's in the same city at me
12:51.04gm_*as
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13:22.35Khertanre
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13:28.54dominik_hi ...if have uninstalled  ->apt *grml* ,some essential packages like ke-recv. no i need a source for this packeges. thx
13:34.37kulvedominik_: ke-recv is closed source and there's no source for it (afaik)
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13:35.24crevetortimeless: there ?
13:37.21dominik_kulve, but a package ist available
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13:53.04timelesscrevetor: yeah
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13:58.42crevetortimeless: hi
13:59.06timelesslo
13:59.39crevetortimeless: i'm trying to build a build environnement for maemo but it doesn't work even using your repo (i added this to my /etc/hosts : 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org
14:05.12ixisocrevetor: do you use a proxy server?
14:05.33ixisoThat might be the cause
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14:05.59crevetorixiso: nope
14:09.28timelesscrevetor: any specific errors?
14:09.28jjo__if you want to use some other repository, then the easiest way should be providing the installer with a custom sources.list
14:10.50timelesscrevetor: i have 0 error lines containing "deb" today
14:10.57crevetortimeless: yes : size mismatch when apt-getting all the packages
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14:14.17timelesscrevetor: if you load http://repository.maemo.org in the web browser, what do you see?
14:15.09crevetorok i think I found what was wrong
14:15.49crevetorthe process uses fakeroot and doesn't use the /etc/host from the host, i modified /scratchbox/etc/hosts.conf and it seems to be working
14:17.15bummiecan someone tell me please how i can reinstall the package ke-recv ?
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14:20.20timelesscrevetor: hrm
14:20.26timelessthe .deb was supposed to deal w/ that
14:20.47timelesswait, hosts.conf ?!
14:20.53timelesswhat in the world is hosts.conf?
14:21.04crevetortimeless: host.conf in scratchbox
14:21.13crevetorit's not on the tablet
14:21.18crevetorit's on my computer
14:21.35crevetorit's the build env for maemo
14:22.10timeless[sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > cat /scratchbox/etc/host.conf
14:22.10timelessmulti on
14:22.33timelessanyway, if the .deb isn't doing the right munging for scratchbox, i'd like to know
14:22.39trulscrevetor means /scratchbox/etc/hosts i think?
14:22.39timelessi tried to make it do the right thing...
14:22.52crevetorhum mine contains that too
14:22.59crevetorit must have been hosts then...
14:23.35timeless[sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > dpkg -i repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
14:23.35timelessdpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
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14:23.45crevetortimeless: what does it contain if you're not in the sbox env
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14:25.14timelesscrevetor: ok...
14:25.28timelessso, um, i don't think i can make the deb work properly from inside scratchbox
14:25.39timelessbecause the file it needs to edit really is owned by root
14:26.00crevetortimeless: yes, i had to update it from ouside scratchbox with root privileges
14:26.20timeless:(, ok, so what's the best advice?
14:26.32timelessi mean, i could generate a script that people could run
14:26.37timelessor something
14:26.47trulsso how can debs install stuff inside scratchbox if it can't mess with files owned by root?
14:26.52crevetortimeless: I think devs are clever enough to update a /etc/hosts themselves
14:27.08timelesstruls: most files aren't really owned by root
14:27.41timelessalthough the exact details of how scratchbox lies about ownership is beyond me
14:27.59trulsi see
14:28.08trulsin my scratchbox, /etc/hosts isn't owned by root
14:28.32crevetortimeless: I don't know how it works in scratchbox but on the tablet /etc/sudoers allow user to run app manager which installs the debs to it has root access anyways
14:28.42timelesstruls: /etc/hosts isn't owned by root, but /scratchbox/etc/hosts is
14:28.58timelessand my script tried to edit the latter if it found it was scratchboxed :)
14:29.08trulsahh, sorry
14:29.17timelesstruls: not your fault
14:29.28crevetortimeless: your dpkg -i is run in the sbox env right ?
14:29.55timelesscrevetor: the one i pasted was, yead
14:30.10timelessi can try that :)
14:30.17crevetortimeless: you could create a package that updates /scratchbox/etc/hosts
14:30.26crevetorsince dpkg has to be run as root
14:30.35crevetorsame idea
14:30.37timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/postinst
14:30.43timelessyou can see what the package does today :)
14:31.29trulsisn't echo dangerous? no guarantee the user sees it if he installs lots of stuff?
14:31.39crevetoroh ok so you'd just have to run it from outside sbox
14:32.02timelesstinderbox:~# dpkg -i /tmp/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
14:32.14timelessSetting up repository-maemo-org-dns (0.1) ...
14:32.14timelessIt seems this is a scratchbox environment.
14:32.31timelesstruls: users better not be pulling this in using deprendencies :)
14:32.39timelesss/pre/pe/
14:33.47trulstimeless: heh
14:34.55timelesscrevetor: ok, if you try installing the deb as root outside scratchbox, it does the right thing tm
14:35.10timelesswell, for /some/ definition of the right thing (tm)
14:35.21timelessi.e., it poisons scratchbox instead of poisoning the box
14:36.14timelessso the deb i'm providing works for devices and people *outside* scratchboxes
14:37.19timelessi just need to figure out how to detect the inside case
14:38.53trulssee if /etc is a symlink
14:38.55truls;)
14:39.22|tbb|anyone knows if that powershutdown thing work for os2008 especially n810
14:44.30deejoeI flashed my n800 yesterday.  It's sort of like having gotten a new tablet for Christmas.
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14:45.01Jitenyes, I quite like the changes. (I also flashed it yesterday)
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14:55.52||cwis progress being made on os2008 for the 770?
15:02.21timelesstruls: test -w is my friend
15:02.39crevetorOk my dev environnement is working :)
15:07.06crevetorHey i've heard there has been a port of aircrack tools on the n770, do you know if that's going to be the case for n800/810 ?
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15:09.44bummiecrevetor, i have it installed. ... but not tested ;)
15:09.58crevetorbummie: on n800?
15:10.22bummiecrevetor, yes
15:10.40crevetorbummie: ok where did you get it ?
15:10.46bummiewhois crevetor
15:11.46crevetorbummie: forgot the / ;)
15:13.06bummiecrevetor, http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/mullinerorg_chinook.install
15:14.56crevetorbummie: thanks
15:19.18crevetorbummie: :( it doesn't include airodump :(
15:19.53youamis there any estimate when repository.maemo.org is going to be okay again?
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15:21.58timelesscrevetor: ok, if you try the latest version of the debs
15:22.09timelessideally when you're inside scratchbox the debs should give you a proper user error
15:22.13timelesseither for removing or installing
15:23.29bummiecrevetor, i have hat it installed ... yesterday ... too many ours :)
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15:27.28crevetor:)
15:28.03crevetorBy the way do any of you have 8 or 16Go mini sd ?
15:29.08thoughtfixMorning, folks.
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15:30.33KhertanHi !
15:30.49Khertansomeone know another web/desktop similar to eyeos.org ?
15:34.20bummietimeless, do you know the repository url for osso-af ke-recv
15:35.20timelessbummie: the topic has a thing for searching
15:35.35timelesshowever ke-recv is probably closed and therefore not in any public debs
15:35.55timelessosso-af is probably the same
15:37.42bummietimeless, so the only way is to extract the firmware image and do a dpkg-repack on the uninstalled packages ?
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15:41.34timelessbummie: pretty much
15:42.30timelesscool, i had reinvented dpkg-repack, i didn't know it existed
15:42.54timeless'course, that requires perl :)
15:44.48Khertanlol
15:47.56crevetordo you guys know a doc/howto write a python app using the hildon framework
15:48.27zoranany diff of regular scripting?
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15:56.25zachhello everyone
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16:20.44guerbyfunny bug fmradio disables bluetooth headet ... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2660
16:23.26ph|berwhere are the menus hiding at? in the filesystem
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16:48.09Khertantatata ... tata talalalala tatalalla : PyGTKEditor 2.0.0 is available ... it use gtksourceview
16:48.27Khertan(gtksourceview2 and his python binding his also available :) )
16:48.56ph|beranyone??/
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17:01.39zoranhm?
17:03.09Khertan:)
17:03.22zoranrsync
17:03.24inzKhertan, that would be a nightmare, no one would ever upload the source packages anymore
17:03.39Khertaninz> hum ... right :)
17:03.52Khertanbut where we can upload from the tablet !!!
17:04.10Khertanpython package doesn't really need source ... :)
17:04.20Khertans/package/application
17:04.31Khertanit s already the source ...
17:04.33zoranrsync via ssh could be your dream
17:04.38Khertanzoran> rsync ?
17:04.43Khertanvia ssh ?
17:04.46Khertanhum how ?
17:04.51zoranworks, as I know
17:05.05zoranhave december linux journal?
17:05.18zoranor november, have to take a look tomorrow
17:05.45inzKhertan, but it is nice to have a easily replicable package
17:06.06inzKhertan, otherwise you need to redo all the work the original author did when building the package
17:06.38timelessinz: i don't understand
17:06.57timelessotoh, my packages on average have no content, and are arch independent :)
17:07.53inztimeless, there is a "standard way" of building deb packages (which usually involves dpkg-buildpackage)
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17:08.46inztimeless, which makes it easy to make a small change and build a package, you don't need to learn yet another build mechanism
17:09.15inztimeless, but if you only have the program sources, you need to figure out a way to put things in right places etc etc
17:09.27Khertaninz> as the standard way doesn't work on tablet due to busybox
17:09.37Khertaninz> i use pypackager ...
17:10.21Khertaninz > and as i use svn ... to rebuild the package you only need to download it and open the .pkb file with PyPackager :)
17:10.34Khertanthen click on build button.
17:11.15Khertanno need to use open a term ... use strange command for a user which isn't a dev ...
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17:11.42Khertanok of course ... it s not the debian way, it s not standart ... but as i dev onboard ...
17:12.06Khertanand don't use a desktop because i dev in the train ...
17:12.25Khertanand have no time for personnal project at home ... it s better than nothing ;)
17:12.55Khertanzoran> so it s in the december linux journal ? the french one ?
17:13.07zoranus one
17:13.13Khertanarg ...
17:13.26zoranhave to go to work and take a look
17:13.29Khertandon't know that there is the same in us :)
17:13.46Khertanzoran > send me an email if you can :)
17:14.01Khertanor just post it here and send me an email ... i ll look in the logs :)
17:14.03zoranI will be here tomorrow :)
17:14.34Khertan(i'm not always reading the chan ... but logs logs logs are marvelous ! :)
17:14.56Khertanzoran> thanks
17:15.04zorannp
17:15.09inzKhertan, you could make pypackager to generate a source package ;)
17:15.52Khertaninz> yeah but i need to understand how source package is build ...
17:16.16Khertaninz > but yes ... i ve think to do this ... why not ...
17:16.40Khertani need some evolution to push PyPackager to a version number >= 1.0 :)
17:17.29Khertanso ... i ll take my train in 5 min ... bye
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17:22.11scripthi, are there any plans to mirror maemo.org-repository?
17:22.24timelessinfobot repository.maemo.org deb
17:22.25infobotfrom memory, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
17:22.44scripttimeless: thats not what i want
17:22.58scripttimeless: are there plans to do it the "right" way?
17:23.01scriptlike debian is doing
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17:29.37s-khello
17:29.45s-khave a quick question, if anyone can help...
17:29.54s-kits about setting up a dev env for the n7770
17:29.57s-ker 770
17:30.19s-kI've compiled a list of resources online
17:30.44s-kI'm stuck at the point when I try to login into scratchbox, via /scratchbox/login
17:30.51s-kim getting assertion failures in the source
17:31.05s-kim on fedora 8, totally updated
17:31.16s-kon a vm, but i doubt that matters
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17:33.24s-khttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86457
17:33.26s-kthat's the bug
17:33.32s-kbut im not running ubuntu
17:33.36s-kso updating doesn't help me....
17:34.36s-khttp://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/02/installing-maemo-sdk-for-nokia-770.html are the directions I was attempting to follow
17:35.37inzs-k, have you done: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso
17:36.19s-kno
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17:36.23s-kis that to enable vdso
17:36.32truentanyone try maemo mapper with i-blue 737 bluetooth gps?
17:37.07inzs-k, I would guess it actually disables it, but it should fix the assertion problems
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17:38.05s-kduh, yeah 0 disable 1 enable
17:38.05s-kheh
17:38.16s-kok, let me try that (booting vm)
17:40.31s-kinz: I dont have a vdso file
17:40.34s-kshould I touch one
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17:44.04inzs-k, you probably cannot
17:44.32inzs-k, then I do not know a solution, there are also some vdso-kernel options, but not sure if they help
17:44.52s-khm, ok.
17:45.55s-kThanks
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17:53.06thoughtfixHmm
17:53.08thoughtfixeditorial plan
17:53.18thoughtfixThe tablets are falling out of favor with other mobile tech bloggers
17:53.23thoughtfixbut only the ones who cover UMPCs.
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17:53.39thoughtfixI've tapped Sr. Editor of GottaBeMobile for his views. We'll see
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18:08.09keesjhi ppl
18:10.03kulveosso-software-version: Depends: osso-xterm (= 0.14.mh3)
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18:20.35crevetorhow do you change target build env in scratchbox...I can't remember the command :(
18:20.41crevetors/.../?
18:20.45kulvesb-menu
18:21.03timelessi thoughtfix
18:21.12timelessscript: if there are plans, either you'd know about them
18:21.12inzsb-conf se <targetname>
18:21.19timelessor they'd be so secret, i'd be killed for talking about them
18:21.36timelessbut given that nokia picked akamai, i can't imagine they'd switch to something else right away
18:21.53timelessthat and the fact that there are nokia proprietary binaries on the official server
18:22.01timelesswhich pretty much prevent any typical mirroring
18:22.15kulveinz: I'm trying the xterm you build some days ago, but I can't get the parameters to work. I.e. "osso-xterm ssh foo@bar" doesn't do anything. It doesn't even open the xterm
18:22.26kulveinz: I'm trying while logged in with ssh atm..
18:23.42scripttimeless: but obviously it's broken, no need to say more
18:25.15crevetorkulve: it keeps telling me to stop my sb env...how would i do that ?
18:25.40kulvecrevetor: you need to kill all processes started from the current session
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18:25.50kulvesometimes you can use the option in the sb-menu
18:25.51crevetorok
18:25.59kulve"kill all processes" or something
18:26.18crevetorok it worked, thanks
18:27.12kulveinz: ha! I'll take my complaints back. Using "" around the command and its args works
18:27.17kulve-t
18:28.06inzkulve, duh
18:28.39kulveinz: hmm.. Next question. How to get that working from a .desktop file..
18:29.02inzkulve, create a shell script ;)
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18:34.37s-kinz: think I'd have better luck on debian VS fedora?
18:34.41kulveinz: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm "ssh foo@bar" seems to work, if I remove X-Osso-Service. Most likely it will just dbus-launch it discarding the exec thing if the service is said there
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18:36.08kulveinz: so, thanks :)
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18:41.29inzs-k, definitely
18:41.35inzs-k, and better karma too
18:41.39s-kheh
18:41.44s-kwell, im'a mac user
18:42.04inzkulve, yeah, if X-Osso-Service is defined, the Exec line is used only for wm class (unless overridden)
18:42.09s-kbut i just grabbed the debian iso
18:42.13ph|beranyone using vpnc?
18:42.14inzs-k, oh well, theny you're damned anyway
18:42.17s-ki'll boot that into my vm and try again
18:42.18s-khaha
18:43.43scriptph|ber: do you have problems installing it?
18:45.07Mouseyanyone got xchat working on an n810 by chance?
18:46.16dragornMousey: there was a beta pkg for it, don't have the url handy but google arund
18:46.18dragornaround
18:46.28Mouseyk, tx..
18:46.43dragornI think it was linked on ITT too, might search the forums
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18:49.35Mouseythx again..
18:50.05ph|berscript: no, just connecting..
18:50.20ph|berim connecting to my offices's ASA and we use safeword keytokens
18:50.52scriptph|ber: so you have a distinct passowrd every login?
18:51.10ph|beryeop
18:51.13ph|berwait.
18:51.14ph|berno
18:51.15ph|berit changes
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18:51.41s-khehe
18:51.44s-kthat's what distinct means
18:51.54ph|berhrm. no..
18:51.58ph|berthat would be a single
18:51.58scriptph|ber: ok, thats on the todo ;)
18:52.00s-khaha
18:52.09ph|berrandom is the word.
18:52.12s-kyes
18:52.13scriptph|ber: almost implemented in svn ...
18:52.14s-kthere we go
18:52.17ph|bercool
18:52.46scriptph|ber: but i guess i am not able to release it till next year ;)
18:52.53jgaanybody got any idea when the debs will be fixed?
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18:53.19scriptph|ber: is it a challenge response authentication?
18:53.26scriptph|ber: or just a pw that changes
18:53.43ph|berwe have a token
18:53.49ph|beri press a button it gives me the pw.
18:53.54scriptin the later case you could try to enter it end be very quick with the connect buttomn ;)
18:53.54ph|berchanges everytime
18:54.01ph|bertried that.
18:54.06scriptdoesn't work?
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18:54.09ph|bernope.
18:54.35scriptph|ber: ok, then you probably have to wait
18:54.42ph|berhrm. wait!
18:54.50ph|bernope.
18:54.53ph|berunseccessful
18:55.14ph|berunsuccessful that is
18:55.28scriptph|ber: you could still try running vpnc from the command line
18:55.31ph|berwhere are the menus at in the filesystem.
18:55.40ph|berscript: that failed too.
18:55.44ph|berhad to run it as root.
18:55.55scriptph|ber: and did not work?
18:56.13scriptph|ber: then there might be some other problem that i probably cannot fix
18:56.27ph|berk.
18:56.50ph|berim wondering if it is taking my input..
18:56.59ph|beri know its not suppose to echo..
18:57.04ph|bernor do the ***'s
18:57.27scriptthats correct
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18:58.36ph|berwonder if its our ipsec secret.
18:58.53ph|berit has odd char.. like carrots and percents
18:59.01ph|berand dollars
19:09.10HotaruTthat should not matter
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19:21.05skiburxmms any good?
19:21.21ph|berxmms ROCKS!
19:21.23ph|beron my desktop
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19:24.00sibbeso it just overwrites the existing symlink: no --list, no --config...
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19:40.02e-squizoI'm trying to do a simple game in python to get up to speed in maemo development, and I want the app to play a few notes (I'm perfectly happy with just C, E, F and the next C). Is there a simple api to play synthesized sound on the N800?
19:40.23e-squizosetting up a gstreamer pipeline sounds like serious overkill to me...
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19:41.29GNUtonHi
19:41.53DaniloCesarI found a guitar-tunner app another day with synthesized sounds.....
19:42.54e-squizoDaniloCesar: that sounds promising...
19:44.40DaniloCesarI don't have my n800 here to get the name of that application, but I recomend that you try to find it on google, it can be useful for you...
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19:47.38e-squizoDaniloCesar: the tuner tool i found uses gstreamer...
19:47.44e-squizothere must be a simpler way!
19:51.35dragorne-squizo: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-02.htm
19:51.44redroos___Do you know is it possible to compile kernel modules using Maemo SDK's SDK_X86 target?
19:52.21e-squizodragorn: are you trying to be sarcastic?
19:52.26dragorne-squizo: no?
19:52.41dragorne-squizo: if you want to synthesize a note w/out using a sample from something else
19:52.44redroos___All guides and examples shows only kernel modules compiling with SDK_ARMEL target
19:52.47dragorne-squizo: something like that would be how you do it
19:53.14e-squizodragorn: yep, that looks lilke OSS, though
19:53.42e-squizoI'm trying to figure out whether maemo has ALSA...
19:53.49dragorne-squizo: as far as I know the nokias use esound, look for something equivalent, you'd still be synthing a pcm sample and pushing it in, you'd just open it differently
19:54.02dragorne-squizo: Quicker way, look on freshmeat for a gtk tuner app
19:54.05dragorne-squizo: and port that
19:54.11e-squizook.. esound is a starting point!
19:54.45dragorne-squizo: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:KBc04mV_z6gJ:maemo4beginners.garage.maemo.org/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf+maemo+esound&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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19:56.56DaniloCesare-squizo, If you port gktuner, put it on garage! I know a lot of people how need of it... I tried before, but it uses libgnome2-something that I could not to port
19:57.38Jaffamaddler: pong
19:59.34ph|berguys.. anyone know where the menus are ??? in the filesystem?
19:59.55Jaffaph|ber: /usr/share/applications IIRC
20:00.06JaffaIt's basically the freedesktop.org desktop menu spec.
20:00.31e-squizoDaniloCesar: I don't know it... But if I will post anything I develop anyway
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20:05.28redroos___Does anybody knows is it possible to compile kernel modules under SDK_X86 target?
20:07.11redroos___It sounds little stupid if I really have to compile all my stuff under SDK_ARMEL and then test this stuff in target HW...
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20:15.29kaltsiI don't think that sounds stupid at all
20:17.12kaltsiif your PC is not running the exact kernel that the device is then how could you ensure that your module works as it should?
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20:18.34redroos___I can run my Kernel modules in stub mode which means that they do not need HW interfaces. It would be nice to get these modules to run in stub mode before real testing with HW is started.
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22:06.27kpelHi guys
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23:12.52Cptnodegardmy n800 has shipped ^^
23:26.51Mousey^_^
23:27.31Cptnodegardusb otg cable is ready, so is keyboard, power pack on the way and so is leather case ^^
23:28.10Mouseyn800 has otg? i thot it was standard mini
23:28.42Cptnodegardyeah, but with os2008 it has otg capabilites - all you need is a cable
23:29.06Cptnodegardeither a standard mini-b to female a and use manual switching to otg, or a hacked cable that does it automatically
23:29.26Mouseywild
23:29.54Mouseyi empathize with your glee. i just got my n810 for christmas [thanks santa!] and am brimming with <3s
23:30.08Cptnodegardlol
23:30.14Cptnodegardi spent my christmas gift money on it
23:30.27Cptnodegardit was on sale, seeing the n810 is out
23:31.43Mousey^_^
23:32.17Mouseyi wanna get an n800 now too, so i can put 2 32GB SD cards in, and plug it into my n810 as a slave.. yay slavery!
23:32.17Cptnodegard810 seems really nice with gps and keyboard, but microUSB and lack of dual SDHC slots is bugging me
23:32.26CptnodegardLOL
23:33.01Mouseyit is really nice. the 770/800 has always been kindofa dealbreaker without a keyboard for me.. but you're right, miniSD is craptastic
23:33.03Cptnodegarddunno if there is any way of getting usb otg on the n810, but you could just use a HDD if there is
23:33.19Mouseyit's otg, out the gate. microUSB and all
23:33.24Mousey+being
23:33.29Cptnodegardmines fos school use so id rather have a full size keyboard
23:33.37Cptnodegardit comes with an adapter?
23:33.44Mouseyi think it's just how it is
23:33.51Mouseyfrom what i've read anyway
23:34.10Cptnodegardwell you need an adapter to get USB stuff into the microUSB port
23:34.12Mouseyhaven't tried getting a drive plugged into it yet, but i'm a fem-fem adapter away from doing it
23:34.36Mouseynah, the cable it comes with has a regular A connector, i just need a a-to-a converter
23:34.39Cptnodegardah ic
23:35.06Cptnodegardi have a shitload of miniUSB devices, so im very glad the n800 ahs one.
23:35.11Mouseyit's an ugly solution, and up there with miniSD in terms of bad design idea
23:35.38Cptnodegardmicrosd would be better than minisd... as i havent heard of miniSDHC
23:35.50Mouseyyup, it exists
23:36.16Mouseyand i'll probably wind up getting microSD anyway simply because i can get it in 8gb and mini only comes in 6 [that i can find]
23:36.34Mouseyhalf my kingdom for an n820 with a fullsized SD slot tho [or two]
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23:37.39Cptnodegardtwo
23:37.40Cptnodegardftw
23:37.55Mousey^_^
23:38.00Cptnodegardover here there only is 16GB cards atm... but even 32GB flash memory pwn
23:38.01Cptnodegards
23:38.12Mousey32gb cards in january
23:38.23Mouseyi donno if that's universal, but that's toshiba at least
23:38.38Mouseyi wonder where "over here" is
23:38.51Cptnodegardnorway
23:38.54Mouseywoah
23:38.56Cptnodegardland of the doomed
23:38.57Mouseyyah, over there
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23:39.03Cptnodegardlol
23:39.05Cptnodegardu are?
23:39.08Mouseycalifornia
23:39.14Cptnodegardah
23:39.15sbaturzioAloha!
23:39.18Mouseyland of the bizzare
23:39.25Cptnodegardwell you might be shocked that i paid 360 bucks for my n800 then
23:39.28Mouseythat's hawaii, but yea, that's the next stop from here ;)
23:39.38Mouseynot really.. i don't really know waht they go for
23:39.41Cptnodegarda 810 costs 650
23:40.00Cptnodegardstuff normally cost twice here what they do in the us
23:40.02Cptnodegardsaleries make up for it
23:40.07Mouseythat must be some mythical norse currency
23:40.12Cptnodegardbut normally shocks people
23:40.24Cptnodegardim talking USD
23:40.34Mouseyok, then yah, that's a bit of a shock
23:40.48sbaturzioI've noticed that connecting the N800 with OS2008 with an USB cable, the Internal SD card is mounted instead of the external one: is there a way to change which SD card is mounted thru an USB cable?
23:41.16astro76sbaturzio, they should both be
23:41.16Cptnodegardboth should be mounted, sbaturzio
23:41.32Mouseysbaturzio: is it possible the external card is a subdirectory in the internal mount somewhere?
23:41.39sbaturziouhm....no, only one is mounted
23:41.43Mouseywild
23:41.55sbaturziono, they should be mounted under the /media dir
23:42.18sbaturziobefore, with OS2007, only the external was mounted
23:42.27Cptnodegardwhat OS?
23:42.40sbaturzionow I'm using OS2008
23:42.48Cptnodegardfor computer :9
23:42.52sbaturzioDebian Sid
23:43.03Cptnodegardnever heard of it o.o
23:43.18sbaturziofrom syslog I can see only one card is recognized
23:43.24sbaturzioas sda
23:43.29Cptnodegardif both have been mounted at one time, it sounds like an issue with the computer, but im no expert
23:43.46Mouseysbaturzio: cat /proc/partitions
23:43.53Mouseysee any unmounted partitions that look external?
23:44.20sbaturziono, I see my other USB external disk as sdb
23:44.24sp3000is the other card being used in a way that would prevent it being unmounted to be mounted by the other machine, or something?
23:44.26sbaturziobut no sdc or other disks
23:44.41Mouseysp3000 <-- what he said
23:45.05Mouseyare you playing music or something? or is there an app open or something?
23:45.13sbaturzioon N800? no
23:45.17Mouseymaybe lsof from an xterm on the n800?
23:46.00sbaturziommm...don't see any opened files on lsof | grep mmc
23:46.15Mouseyis there a concept of "unmount" on the n800? can you maybe unmount or remount the card and see if it shows up in syslog?
23:46.24sbaturzioexcept for the usual one, like cover_switch, hald-adon-mmc
23:46.37sbaturzioMousey: ok, let me try
23:47.36sbaturzioMousey: can't umount SD cards: device or resource busy
23:47.47sbaturzio(with usb cable disconnected)
23:47.48sp3000oh, yeah, caps lock
23:49.06jgaany update on the repositories?
23:49.17sp3000not that it's wouldn't make sense as a first use thing for the dual-language case, but...
23:50.08sbaturziomaybe SD cards must be formatted in a special way?
23:50.43Mouseysbaturzio: oooh good question
23:50.53Mouseyin fact, i have a question
23:50.55astro76sbaturzio, yeah good question, wonder if it has to be fat32 to be mounted via usb
23:51.10Mouseydoes OS2008 handle ext3? can i format my card ext3? or am i stuck using vfat?
23:51.23sbaturziofrom # mount command I can see they both are vfat formatted
23:52.08sp3000sbaturzio: does dmesg tell you anything useful?
23:52.11sbaturziowait...in my /etc/fstab there is only one row for SD cards
23:52.40sbaturziosp3000: dmesg? let me try to extract an SD card to see what's happens...
23:53.21sbaturziouh..who is Menelaus? :)
23:54.03sbaturziosp3000: no errors from dmesg mounting the externa card
23:54.18sp3000sounds like sparta
23:54.53sbaturziois this interesting? "mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8)"
23:55.57sp3000I was mostly wondering if the sid goes obviously wtf in dmesg when you plug the usb in
23:56.32Mouseybrb
23:57.48sbaturziosp3000: dmesg ffrom debian calls only for one sd device

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