| 00:00.03 | astro76 | hey I still can't believe I never tried to fit the ultra-slim keyboard in the case logic case with my n800, I had all three |
| 00:00.06 | astro76 | thanks again for that ;) |
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| 00:01.15 | astro76 | (in case anyone's wondering http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389&page=2 ) |
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| 00:04.36 | skibur | :) |
| 00:04.38 | skibur | my post |
| 00:04.44 | skibur | did you see the pics? |
| 00:04.59 | skibur | I just added them today |
| 00:05.01 | skibur | :) |
| 00:05.34 | astro76 | yes I did |
| 00:06.36 | astro76 | you know the stand comes off the keyboard, right? |
| 00:06.47 | skibur | I was eating a bowl of Cocoa Pebbles when posting. :P |
| 00:06.51 | skibur | yeah |
| 00:06.59 | skibur | its even better |
| 00:07.05 | skibur | when it comes off |
| 00:07.13 | astro76 | it is |
| 00:07.38 | skibur | I just left it intact to show it still fits good in the case |
| 00:09.49 | astro76 | my only possible complaint about the keyboard is that the F keys and scroll lock, num lock, etc... are not labeled |
| 00:11.26 | skibur | hum... never notice it |
| 00:11.31 | skibur | checking... |
| 00:12.09 | jeff1f | anyone get the thumbpad to work with the newest firmware? |
| 00:12.50 | vbraun | jeff1f: By pressing the "square center" key |
| 00:13.01 | skibur | o I see |
| 00:13.20 | astro76 | skibur, this is the mapping http://rafb.net/p/N9wqXh93.html |
| 00:13.34 | skibur | FN + Blue access the Blue Characters :P |
| 00:14.00 | skibur | same with green. Maybe thats why I didn't notice it |
| 00:14.56 | astro76 | yeah it's got everything but they have focused more on smart phone labelling |
| 00:15.46 | skibur | Hell Yeah! Thanks astro76 |
| 00:15.59 | skibur | I've been looking for that |
| 00:16.16 | skibur | Now I can use MC |
| 00:16.23 | astro76 | no prob, had to hunt those down by trial and error |
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| 00:16.30 | jpt9 | hey. |
| 00:16.47 | jpt9 | i have an n770 with os 2007he. |
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| 00:17.17 | jpt9 | i tried to install abiword; it didn't work. |
| 00:17.51 | jpt9 | turns out there's some sort of conflict with libcanola. |
| 00:18.27 | jpt9 | when i do pretty much anything with apt-get, i get the following error: |
| 00:18.44 | jpt9 | E: The package libcanola-plugins-base1.0-plugin-model-shared needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 00:19.04 | jpt9 | i can't seem to remove the package. |
| 00:19.36 | jpt9 | i've tried apt-get remove, and still get the same error... |
| 00:20.01 | jpt9 | and the package doesn't show up in the app manager. |
| 00:20.06 | jpt9 | any ideas? |
| 00:20.44 | jaharkes | jpt9, sometimes 'apt-get -f install' can get things unstuck |
| 00:21.41 | jpt9 | nope. or was i supposed to put something after 'install'? |
| 00:22.01 | jaharkes | nomis, just that |
| 00:22.15 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 00:23.04 | jpt9 | this is annoying. people shouldn't be allowed to take repositories offline :-) |
| 00:23.29 | vbraun | astro76, skibur: Which case logic model is that? |
| 00:23.30 | jaharkes | any errors on apt-get update? |
| 00:24.07 | skibur | Case Logic - Compact Portable Hard Drive Case |
| 00:24.20 | skibur | http://www.caselogic.com/compact_por...?modelid=80400 |
| 00:24.25 | astro76 | vbraun, http://www.amazon.com/Small-External-HD-Case-Black/dp/B000HDJT4S/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1198455844&sr=8-1 |
| 00:24.29 | vbraun | tnx! |
| 00:24.38 | jaharkes | you can probably use dpkg --remove or --purge to remove the package |
| 00:26.33 | jpt9 | dpkg --remove returns: |
| 00:26.36 | jpt9 | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 00:26.51 | jpt9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.08 | jpt9 | but i can't, since the repo's offline |
| 00:27.46 | jpt9 | should i try --purge? |
| 00:29.39 | jpt9 | just tried --purge; it didn't help... |
| 00:31.30 | astro76 | this is why everything should be in main or extras repos like a normal distribution |
| 00:32.04 | jpt9 | should i try adding --force-all? |
| 00:32.15 | dragorn | I'm not sure how what repo something is in affects his locally broken dpkg database |
| 00:33.19 | jpt9 | i think the comment was related to the fact that i can't reinstall the pkg since the repo providing it is offline |
| 00:33.56 | astro76 | and of course what would really help regardless of repo set up, is mirrors ;) |
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| 00:40.48 | jpt9 | stupid question -- does anyone ever use alternate window managers on maemo? |
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| 00:44.16 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 00:47.08 | crafton | hi! there's a port of TomBoy to os2008? or any similar app? |
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| 00:54.53 | vbraun | tomboy is a mono app... good luck in porting ;-P |
| 00:58.07 | derf | Hmm, maemo mapper 2.2 is a gekk of a lot slower than 1.4.6. |
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| 01:02.35 | alterego | derf, you're on a 770? |
| 01:03.32 | derf | N800. |
| 01:03.37 | alterego | I heard someone was attempting mono for maemo. |
| 01:03.53 | alterego | Well, I heard it was supposed to be slower. For a few reasons. |
| 01:03.59 | alterego | I'm sure it'll get better in time. |
| 01:04.06 | crafton | vbraun you mean that mono is really hard to port to maemo? |
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| 01:04.34 | alterego | I don't see why mono would be that difficult to port to mameo. |
| 01:04.37 | alterego | ~maemo. |
| 01:04.37 | infobot | i heard maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 01:04.45 | alterego | Hell, I don't know mono and I bet I could do it in a couple of days .. |
| 01:05.50 | crafton | mono is working on sansa mp3 players.. and I'm sure this is a more restricted-hardware than the itablets |
| 01:06.17 | alterego | Porting mono to maemo would be easy. But do we really need another language? |
| 01:06.47 | derf | Has anyone been able to get the POI download stuff working? It seems totally broken. |
| 01:06.53 | crafton | raelly.. i wish a TomBoy-like app |
| 01:07.02 | crafton | it would be nice. |
| 01:07.09 | alterego | With the flash images getting bigger and bigger, not to mention all the applications available in the catalog. I don't think it's wise adding more development platforms .. |
| 01:07.18 | alterego | Well, you could port it to python. |
| 01:07.24 | alterego | It's a relatively simple app really .. |
| 01:07.27 | crafton | it's what i thought |
| 01:07.31 | alterego | Or Ruby. |
| 01:07.37 | crafton | in python would be relative easy |
| 01:07.56 | alterego | Ruby's Gtk bindings are more fun. |
| 01:08.31 | crafton | but, the interesting is sync with TomBoy notes. I think they would use xml standard or something |
| 01:08.52 | alterego | Again, that's hardly a problem :P |
| 01:09.29 | crafton | :D you're being obviously ironic |
| 01:09.53 | crafton | really.. i'm noob programmer.. it would be a nice exercise |
| 01:12.06 | alterego | AFAIK tomboy uses HTML :P |
| 01:12.57 | alterego | Anyhow, I'm off. |
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| 01:22.50 | GNUton | good night |
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| 02:25.29 | yabbas | ~seen penguinbait |
| 02:25.31 | infobot | penguinbait <n=sage-@207.148.201.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 31m 51s ago, saying: 'Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!'. |
| 02:25.48 | yabbas | anyone good with python porting? |
| 02:26.56 | lmoura | yabbas, go ahead |
| 02:27.08 | yabbas | I'm getting the following error when running an app I compiled: Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> |
| 02:27.45 | yabbas | Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> |
| 02:28.00 | yabbas | Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] |
| 02:28.00 | yabbas | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback |
| 02:29.46 | lmoura | what command triggers that output? |
| 02:30.00 | yabbas | gah - forgot the last line |
| 02:30.02 | yabbas | ImportError: No module named cwiid |
| 02:30.17 | yabbas | command is: ./wminput -w |
| 02:30.50 | yabbas | wmgui works wonderfully :) I managed to connect a Wiimote to the N800 and play with it! |
| 02:30.53 | lmoura | this wminput is a python script or binary? |
| 02:30.59 | yabbas | binary |
| 02:31.00 | lmoura | cool |
| 02:31.19 | yabbas | any ideas? |
| 02:31.34 | lmoura | maybe it is calling the scratchbox own python instead of python2.5 |
| 02:31.56 | yabbas | how would I go about fixing that? |
| 02:33.06 | lmoura | did you try running python and import this module manually? |
| 02:33.32 | lmoura | (I mean python2.5) |
| 02:35.01 | yabbas | nope .. lemme try that |
| 02:36.40 | yabbas | gah - I know what's up |
| 02:36.54 | lmoura | ?? |
| 02:40.04 | yabbas | make didn't build the cwiid module |
| 02:41.52 | pupnik | youtube has a scary amount of video |
| 02:44.42 | lmoura | yabbas, is it working now? |
| 02:47.04 | yabbas | lmoura, I'm new to all this linking/porting/etc business. Currently learning through trial by error >_< it's a slow, slow process. |
| 02:47.47 | lmoura | I know, but this particular error is gone? :) |
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| 02:48.18 | yabbas | lol - still trying to build the module |
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| 02:48.42 | yabbas | building 'cwiid' extension |
| 02:48.42 | yabbas | unable to execute /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.45 | lmoura | oh, ok. Good luck :) |
| 02:49.29 | yabbas | I know why it doesn't build - I know where the files are. Dammnit what I don't know is where and how to edit these Makefiles to point to the places I want! |
| 02:49.38 | yabbas | :) |
| 02:53.05 | fnordianslip | does it use a configure script? |
| 02:53.10 | fnordianslip | oh no. |
| 02:54.22 | yabbas | no ./configure no |
| 02:54.35 | fnordianslip | as you were then ;-) |
| 02:55.46 | yabbas | Right: python setup.py build_ext $(DEBUGFLAGS) -I../libcwiid -L../libcwiid -lcwiid |
| 02:56.04 | yabbas | where the hell does it keep getting the wrong paths to gcc from? |
| 02:56.20 | lmoura | yabbas, Probably you already know that but when using pymaemo in the SDK you must explicitly call python2.5 instead of python |
| 02:56.24 | ph|ber | anyone have the gpg error on the nokia site? |
| 02:56.28 | ph|ber | gpg key CBFC2BECC6903E72 |
| 02:56.41 | lmoura | python defaults to the python provided by scratchbox (python2.3) |
| 02:57.04 | yabbas | didn't know that; tried python2.5 and same issue arose |
| 02:57.43 | yabbas | it'd be so much easier if I could get python-dev ... I had to kludge the include directories from the python2.4 sources |
| 02:58.08 | lmoura | any problem with python2.5-dev? |
| 02:58.52 | yabbas | can't find the package |
| 03:00.00 | yabbas | know which repo I need to add? |
| 03:00.20 | lmoura | strange. Are the repositories right? (repositories.maemo.org/extras bora (or chinook) free non-free) |
| 03:00.58 | lmoura | there were some problems in chinook this weekend about corrupted packages |
| 03:01.08 | lmoura | I don't know if it is working now |
| 03:01.54 | yabbas | grr |
| 03:02.07 | yabbas | they show up now! |
| 03:02.13 | yabbas | must have been the server issue |
| 03:03.19 | yabbas | should I uninstall python 2.3 and 2.4? |
| 03:04.10 | lmoura | yabbas only 2.4 |
| 03:04.18 | lmoura | well |
| 03:04.36 | lmoura | is anyone of them from pymaemo? |
| 03:04.53 | yabbas | 2.4 was :) |
| 03:05.14 | yabbas | gah, I mean 2.3 |
| 03:05.25 | yabbas | 2.3 listed a number of dependancies which frightened me |
| 03:05.54 | lmoura | do not remove 2.3 |
| 03:06.10 | lmoura | well, do not remove the scratchbox one |
| 03:14.37 | ph|ber | anyone??? |
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| 03:32.05 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=vA_iMuZ3ZDw this might be the best music ever - Blazin Hazen |
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| 03:38.03 | skibur | :) |
| 03:40.56 | DeLeOn | pupnik: it remind me the windows 386 promo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swFlU-FKg30 |
| 03:41.32 | pupnik | :) |
| 03:41.59 | gm | time to upgrade to 2008 r2 |
| 03:42.07 | gm | well, the non-beta |
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| 03:45.28 | pupnik | nice find DeLeOn |
| 03:46.42 | DeLeOn | i'm glad i was a child in the 80's hahaha... i barely remember stuff like that |
| 03:47.30 | Masca | Hahaha god.. the 80's... why it's real? |
| 03:52.04 | unique311 | the repo issues fixed yet? |
| 03:53.11 | roue | anyone know if you can do an NFS mount under OS2008? I tried, and it tries, but the mount fails. |
| 03:53.34 | roue | the server log says the authentication failed, but I wasn't doing any authentication. |
| 03:57.59 | skibur | what is this Hacker edition for the n770? |
| 03:58.14 | gm | os2007 modified to run on the 770 |
| 03:58.25 | skibur | o ok |
| 04:00.06 | pupnik | ok DeLeOn that fried the last synapses |
| 04:10.58 | DeLeOn | hahaha |
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| 06:25.28 | TabletHacker | <--- Drops Pin |
| 06:25.40 | |R | ? |
| 06:26.01 | TabletHacker | I wondered if I could hear it fall? |
| 06:26.10 | TabletHacker | its so quiet in here |
| 06:26.36 | |R | hehe |
| 06:27.28 | TabletHacker | At some point you wonder, if you have to explain the joke, was it really funny? |
| 06:27.47 | |R | I'm mostly really tired, so everything is funny and not funny at the same time... |
| 06:28.00 | Vulcanis | I'm always that way |
| 06:28.05 | Vulcanis | sleep does not come easy to me. |
| 06:28.29 | TabletHacker | I just close my eyes and I am out, anytime, anywhere |
| 06:28.38 | Vulcanis | Yes, people like you I envy. |
| 06:28.40 | |R | lucky you |
| 06:28.48 | TabletHacker | is it next week yet. haha |
| 06:28.55 | Vulcanis | I can be in bed at ~9. And then be trying to sleep for 3 hours. |
| 06:28.56 | |R | it was next week... |
| 06:28.58 | |R | :P |
| 06:29.00 | Vulcanis | until 3* thats 6 hours |
| 06:29.19 | Vulcanis | no caffiene. No-one really knows what the problem is |
| 06:29.23 | TabletHacker | 1:30AM here, its monday |
| 06:29.36 | |R | same here |
| 06:29.42 | TabletHacker | maybe thay are waiting to give us n900's instead |
| 06:29.45 | TabletHacker | :) |
| 06:30.14 | |R | i wish i could get wimax service with a wimax tablet... good bye cell phone, land lines, etc etc... :P |
| 06:31.43 | TabletHacker | i'd be happy with an 810 @ this point |
| 06:32.08 | |R | I'd be happy with getting shot at this point, waiting without news is horrible :P |
| 06:32.22 | TabletHacker | they probably would have sold 500 more already, if they hadnt promised them to us :) |
| 06:32.36 | |R | hehe indeed ;) |
| 06:32.58 | TabletHacker | its like being a kid, and Christmas keeps getting postponed, every time it gets close |
| 06:33.39 | TabletHacker | its tramatic |
| 06:33.55 | |R | yeah, we're all beaten kids at this point... |
| 06:34.02 | |R | we should get rescued somehow ;) |
| 06:34.41 | TabletHacker | The Mighty Quim? |
| 06:35.38 | |R | maybe the nokia christmas party was a bit too heavy on alcohol and they'll wake up next week ;) |
| 06:36.20 | TabletHacker | well, I got my 770 in jan 2006, and my n800 in jan 2007, so I guess |
| 06:36.50 | |R | hehe, i'm not such a regular yet ;) |
| 06:37.02 | TabletHacker | they must figure they are still on schedule |
| 06:42.43 | timelyx | TabletHacker: he's on vacation |
| 06:43.09 | timelyx | |r: fwiw, the holiday party was weeks ago |
| 06:43.21 | |R | hehe :) |
| 06:43.36 | |R | hard liquor indeed then ;) |
| 06:44.24 | |R | so... if quim is on vacation, we're screwed until january? :) |
| 06:44.38 | TabletHacker | Are FINS not known for holding their liquor? |
| 06:44.58 | timelyx | TabletHacker: google |
| 06:45.04 | timelyx | and it'd be finns |
| 06:45.13 | TabletHacker | maybe we need to send some brits over to level things out |
| 06:45.34 | timelyx | |r: quim is more of a manager |
| 06:45.35 | |R | I'd love to go to finland :) |
| 06:45.41 | timelyx | |r: why? |
| 06:45.54 | |R | why? why not? :) |
| 06:46.02 | |R | oh? |
| 06:46.03 | timelyx | for one, there's no sun |
| 06:46.11 | TabletHacker | we need some people over there who can handle their liquor |
| 06:46.14 | timelyx | for another, there's no warmth |
| 06:46.21 | timelyx | and in case you want a white christmas, forget it :) |
| 06:46.27 | timelyx | you're better off in the states :) |
| 06:46.34 | |R | no snow? |
| 06:46.41 | TabletHacker | with brits their, their want be much left for the Finns |
| 06:46.47 | |R | I'm in Montreal, it's cold, dark, and snowy right now ;) |
| 06:46.56 | timelyx | see, that sounds better |
| 06:47.02 | |R | (well today it was raining, but we got almost a meter of snow in the last weeks) |
| 06:47.03 | timelyx | you can enjoy your white christmas |
| 06:47.07 | TabletHacker | michigan, cold and dark, and windy as hell |
| 06:47.32 | |R | timelyx : so you're not from finland? :P |
| 06:47.54 | timelyx | not yet :) |
| 06:47.58 | timelyx | i'm here now |
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| 06:48.18 | timelyx | that's the spirit |
| 06:48.19 | |R | (tropical christmas rather...) |
| 06:48.31 | timelyx | although be careful |
| 06:48.43 | TabletHacker | if I could make money hacking tablets in Hawaii |
| 06:48.52 | TabletHacker | I'd be gone |
| 06:48.52 | timelyx | some people have described the southern hemisphere as detrimental to dark holidays |
| 06:48.58 | |R | Tablets & Bora Bora... :P |
| 06:51.12 | TabletHacker | peace |
| 06:51.16 | |R | ciao :) |
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| 06:59.10 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.22 | snak | anyone tried to use becomeroot on OS2008 |
| 07:14.32 | snak | installed it but "becomeroot" aint working :( |
| 07:15.00 | snak | put it in the terminal and it wasnt found -.- |
| 07:17.11 | Vulcanis | you need to enable redpill for some reason to install it |
| 07:17.19 | snak | ? |
| 07:17.28 | snak | i installed it without enabling it |
| 07:17.34 | Vulcanis | you have the eko repo, right? |
| 07:17.46 | snak | yeah |
| 07:17.49 | Vulcanis | Yeah, for some reason the one not in redpillmode is messed up |
| 07:17.52 | Vulcanis | I had the same problem |
| 07:18.00 | snak | wierd |
| 07:18.01 | Vulcanis | just redpill and reinstall it from the repo |
| 07:18.10 | snak | ok, ty |
| 07:22.16 | snak | uuh |
| 07:22.23 | snak | redpill on |
| 07:22.28 | snak | resintall |
| 07:22.32 | snak | still not found -.- |
| 07:22.34 | Vulcanis | still did not work? |
| 07:22.34 | Vulcanis | Hm |
| 07:22.42 | Vulcanis | One second |
| 07:22.52 | snak | am i doing something wrong |
| 07:22.59 | snak | "becomeroot" in the terminal |
| 07:23.06 | Vulcanis | ah, yeah |
| 07:23.09 | Vulcanis | Sudo gainroot |
| 07:23.13 | snak | xD |
| 07:23.27 | Vulcanis | turn off redpill, if you have not already |
| 07:23.36 | snak | ^_^ there we go |
| 07:23.39 | snak | cheers |
| 07:23.44 | Vulcanis | Yeah. |
| 07:23.58 | snak | does becomeroot modify the gainroot? |
| 07:24.05 | Vulcanis | believe so |
| 07:24.15 | snak | same as the ssh tutorial? |
| 07:24.19 | Vulcanis | gainroot requires R&D mode, I think |
| 07:24.24 | Vulcanis | becomeroot just overrides that |
| 07:24.32 | snak | :) |
| 07:24.47 | Vulcanis | its certanly helpful |
| 07:24.59 | Vulcanis | My n800 came the 15th |
| 07:25.34 | snak | mine on 19th |
| 07:25.46 | snak | i love it to bits =) |
| 07:28.57 | snak | ok, im trying to execute a binary on my mmc and im getting "permission denied" |
| 07:29.11 | Vulcanis | Are you still in root? |
| 07:29.14 | snak | i thaught root access would solve that -.- |
| 07:29.26 | snak | yeah, im root atm |
| 07:29.32 | Vulcanis | Is it plugged into usb? |
| 07:29.36 | snak | nope |
| 07:29.38 | Vulcanis | Hm |
| 07:29.53 | snak | but it does have a very long filename |
| 07:29.56 | Vulcanis | see if you can run anything else on the card |
| 07:30.02 | Vulcanis | don't think long filenames should matter |
| 07:31.00 | snak | need to get something else to put on it -.- |
| 07:31.08 | Vulcanis | what are you trying to run |
| 07:31.19 | snak | http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 |
| 07:31.24 | snak | that =] |
| 07:31.29 | Vulcanis | mmm |
| 07:31.55 | snak | though it does say to make a top level dir |
| 07:32.00 | snak | but i dont like top level dirs |
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| 07:34.03 | GreySim | Does anyone know if a MicroB extension can access dbus or could access dbus with enough work? |
| 07:34.46 | GreySim | Which I guess really is really the same question twice. :| |
| 07:35.26 | snak | any ideas Vulcanis? |
| 07:36.08 | Vulcanis | Snak: was reading the site. I'm too tired to really think, so no. |
| 07:36.18 | snak | ok, thanks anyway |
| 07:36.28 | snak | need to find another binary to try and run |
| 07:36.38 | Vulcanis | I don't think that is the problem |
| 07:40.40 | snak | i just took the binaries and stuck it on the mmc |
| 07:40.55 | snak | so i could test it |
| 07:41.11 | snak | Permission denied every time |
| 07:41.36 | Vulcanis | Hm |
| 07:41.47 | GreySim | Sorry if I'm not helping, since I don't have full context, but are you trying to run binaries directly on a FAT formatted MMC card? Won't work if it's not on the main system, because you can't set the executable bit. |
| 07:41.59 | GreySim | I believe. |
| 07:42.19 | snak | well, thats enlightening |
| 07:42.33 | snak | umm, wheres the executable bit xD |
| 07:42.39 | GreySim | chmod +x |
| 07:42.47 | GreySim | If you're in xterm. Otherwise dunno. |
| 07:43.08 | GreySim | Err, 'chmod +x filename' |
| 07:43.15 | GreySim | If that wasn't obvious. ^.^' |
| 07:43.21 | snak | errr, what does chmod do? |
| 07:43.46 | GreySim | Changes permissions of a file. Also read and write permissions, if you were using + or -r or w. |
| 07:44.01 | snak | ah right |
| 07:44.36 | snak | whats the command to see permissions of files again? |
| 07:44.38 | tontsa | the mmc is prolly mounted "noexec" |
| 07:45.07 | GreySim | ls -l filename |
| 07:45.29 | GreySim | Will give it to you in a weird string of rwxrwxrwx I think. |
| 07:45.30 | snak | oh yes, theres no x there -.- |
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| 07:46.28 | snak | well thats interesting |
| 07:46.54 | snak | chmod +x filname, and it didnt change the flag to executable |
| 07:47.16 | snak | didnt throw an error either |
| 07:47.39 | GreySim | snak: Is it on the MMC still? Like I said, either FAT doesn't support that, or there's something about the way it's mounted (that "noexec" bit) that prevents that. |
| 07:47.57 | tontsa | cat /proc/mounts |
| 07:48.07 | GreySim | It needs to be on the internal memory. |
| 07:48.25 | snak | ah, ok ^_^ |
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| 07:51.31 | snak | ah hah! success |
| 07:51.35 | snak | thanks all |
| 07:51.51 | Vulcanis | mmhmm |
| 07:51.56 | GreySim | Yeah, that baffled me too a month or so ago, when I was trying to do Django development on the tablet. Was storing the project on the card, and couldn't get the server to run for some strange reason. :) |
| 07:53.45 | Vulcanis | good to know |
| 07:56.47 | snak | urrgh |
| 07:57.07 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
| 07:57.16 | snak | how to press the "up" button for last command on Xterm |
| 07:57.22 | snak | is starting to hurt |
| 07:57.34 | snak | with these uber long commands |
| 07:57.38 | Vulcanis | bluetooth kb = win |
| 07:57.42 | Vulcanis | ah |
| 07:57.43 | snak | -.- |
| 07:57.47 | Vulcanis | the up button is just up on the dpad |
| 07:57.54 | snak | there was a button on OS2007 xterm |
| 07:58.01 | snak | omg -.- |
| 07:58.09 | snak | if i have known that |
| 07:58.21 | snak | so simple -.- |
| 07:58.24 | L0cutus | also CTRL+P |
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| 08:58.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:21.44 | madar | hello all, is there anyplace else to get maemo mapper? |
| 09:21.56 | madar | I realize the files are bad on the main repo |
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| 09:27.07 | Spakman_ | madar: have you tried this - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 |
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| 09:33.44 | snak | wtf is with OS2008 |
| 09:33.55 | snak | i do chmod +x filename |
| 09:34.03 | snak | ./filename |
| 09:34.07 | snak | not foun |
| 09:34.09 | snak | d |
| 09:34.28 | snak | file manager has it |
| 09:34.31 | snak | ls has it |
| 09:34.35 | snak | and its "not found" |
| 09:34.39 | snak | right... |
| 09:38.40 | gm | is it on a mmc? |
| 09:39.30 | snak | nope |
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| 09:41.07 | gm | hmmm |
| 09:41.18 | MikeL | #Canola |
| 09:41.40 | MikeL | me/ hi |
| 09:41.41 | gm | gah, the repositories are still screwed |
| 09:43.38 | snak | what buttons caps lock |
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| 09:43.50 | snak | its magically disappeared |
| 09:45.07 | X-Fade_ | snak: hold shift for 2 secs.. |
| 09:45.30 | snak | ah, crafty xD |
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| 09:52.50 | snak | urrgh |
| 09:53.13 | snak | 90% of the time, the problem is the person in front of the screen |
| 09:55.25 | snak | anyone tried to get java working? |
| 09:55.49 | snak | and got errors like java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) |
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| 09:56.23 | snak | im geussing it cant find the class |
| 09:56.39 | snak | but its being dumb, cause im sitting here looking at it |
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| 10:10.22 | snak | bah - i geuss not, in that case; if i get this working ill write an article on it |
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| 10:23.40 | GNUton | yo |
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| 10:51.16 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 10:54.41 | GNUton | sbaturzio: |
| 10:54.47 | GNUton | sbaturzio: hi! |
| 10:54.57 | GNUton | sbaturzio: anzi ciao! :) |
| 10:55.01 | maddler | sbaturzio: aloha kahua! |
| 10:55.05 | maddler | :) |
| 10:56.36 | sbaturzio | ciao a tutti :-) |
| 10:57.06 | sbaturzio | there are still trouble on chinook repository? |
| 10:57.14 | sbaturzio | ooops....are there still.... :-) |
| 10:57.39 | L0cutus | ciao sbaturzio e GNUton |
| 10:58.04 | GNUton | ue L0cutus! :) |
| 10:58.15 | GNUton | L0cutus: chan italiano stamattina!:) |
| 10:58.57 | maddler | GNUton: partiamo alla conquista? :) |
| 10:58.59 | maddler | LOL! |
| 10:59.08 | GNUton | maddler: volentieri..! :) |
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| 11:01.01 | L0cutus | lol |
| 11:03.01 | maddler | :) |
| 11:04.06 | yabbas | how large are .desktop icons? |
| 11:06.56 | sbaturzio | on the OS2008, inside the "contacts applet", is there a way to "shrink" the size of every single contacts? just five contacts is not enough |
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| 11:19.12 | timeless | ping |
| 11:24.24 | gm | does libatk have a package on maemo |
| 11:24.52 | timeless | ask gronmayer (see topic) |
| 11:25.00 | gm | ahh, whoops, got it |
| 11:25.17 | gm | searching wrong repository :0 |
| 11:25.35 | timeless | the cross reference says it's in chinook |
| 11:25.41 | gm | oh, there's a fix for the repository.maemo.org issue |
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| 11:25.44 | gm | well, temp workaround |
| 11:25.48 | timeless | it's bad |
| 11:25.49 | timeless | don't use it |
| 11:25.52 | timeless | thanks for playing |
| 11:26.13 | gm | yeah, i bet it's doing something bad :) |
| 11:26.27 | timeless | as far as someone described, it should poison your system |
| 11:26.33 | timeless | such that if you ever switch to the normal |
| 11:26.45 | timeless | you won't be able to upgrade things you installed from it |
| 11:26.57 | gm | heh, i've destroyed my repositories already by using the SDK ones on the device :) |
| 11:28.03 | timeless | but it seems quite likely |
| 11:28.16 | timeless | if you want a safe fix, there are safe fixes |
| 11:28.42 | gm | know what they were? |
| 11:29.00 | timeless | infobot repository.maemo.org deb |
| 11:29.01 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb |
| 11:29.10 | timeless | anything like that would be safe |
| 11:29.22 | timeless | you can pick any ip address you like, although it's best to use a deb |
| 11:29.32 | timeless | so when you're done you can uninstall it by using application manager |
| 11:29.54 | fnordianslip | g'day. I've poisoned my system. oh well. just wondering if after i clone from internal to flash again once the real r.m.o is functional, i can tweak the restore from backup to reinstall the apps from the correct repo? |
| 11:30.07 | timeless | fnordianslip: hrm |
| 11:30.15 | timeless | depends how it stores things |
| 11:30.22 | timeless | backup uses zip files |
| 11:30.26 | gm | i did the "repostory.maemo.org" thing |
| 11:30.29 | timeless | so if you take the zips to your favorite desktop |
| 11:30.39 | timeless | then you should be able to do whatever it takes to "fix" the problem |
| 11:31.40 | fnordianslip | i guess if i edit the restored repo sources before reinstalling, it might be ok wthout having to do anything else. |
| 11:32.07 | timeless | i'd kinda assume SMCstar was a package? |
| 11:32.07 | timeless | ooops |
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| 11:35.17 | L0cutus | my igo bt keyboard is dead :-\ |
| 11:35.44 | L0cutus | bought in oct/2007 :-( |
| 11:41.51 | gm | :( |
| 11:42.00 | gm | warranty? |
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| 11:42.24 | sxpert | gm, no such thing :-) |
| 11:42.37 | sxpert | L0cutus, changed the batteries |
| 11:42.48 | timeless | it's hardware, return it, demand a replacement :) |
| 11:44.52 | L0cutus | gm yes warranty, but, i'm in Italy, i must send to France... |
| 11:44.56 | gm | ahh |
| 11:45.08 | L0cutus | i think i'll cost more than new... |
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| 11:58.13 | yabbas | :D |
| 11:58.20 | yabbas | respostory++ |
| 11:58.59 | Jaffa | see timelyx's warning |
| 12:04.04 | hahlo | debianutils removed busybox, now it doesn't boot or even shutdown |
| 12:04.26 | timeless | hahlo: wasn't there a big scary warning saying "don't do this"? |
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| 12:05.12 | gm | uh-oh |
| 12:05.17 | gm | did you just remove busybox? |
| 12:05.20 | hahlo | yes there was something |
| 12:05.31 | gm | you want to install debian-utils manuall |
| 12:05.33 | gm | manually |
| 12:05.48 | gm | and just replace busybox by mv'ing the binaries in |
| 12:06.51 | timeless | you mean rm'ing symlinks and then moving them in? |
| 12:07.00 | timeless | or would mv do the right thing? |
| 12:07.02 | hahlo | os2008 is ke using sid with couple extra repos |
| 12:07.18 | timeless | 'ke'? |
| 12:07.27 | hahlo | like |
| 12:08.08 | hahlo | easily baks even in dist-upgrade |
| 12:08.29 | hahlo | breaks |
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| 12:10.07 | timeless | rt? :) |
| 12:11.31 | gm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.39 | gm | is there a simple way of shutting up that sort of error/ |
| 12:11.41 | gm | ? |
| 12:11.47 | timeless | "simple" yum |
| 12:13.05 | hahlo | is there a way fix tablet now that it doesn't boot? |
| 12:13.17 | gm | reflash |
| 12:13.47 | timeless | dpkg --ignore-depends=libesd0 -i libesd0-dev.deb |
| 12:13.57 | timeless | that sounds "simple", i suppose |
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| 12:14.14 | hahlo | can I flash with poweron cause it doesn't shutdown? |
| 12:14.27 | timeless | you can remove the battery |
| 12:14.34 | hahlo | ok |
| 12:14.37 | timeless | does pressing the power key for 5-10s really not kill the device? |
| 12:14.43 | timeless | you should try that first :) |
| 12:15.15 | hahlo | I try that alady |
| 12:15.15 | gm | timeless: it's making apt-get error on that |
| 12:15.26 | timeless | apt-get --download-only |
| 12:15.55 | gm | application managet is broken |
| 12:16.07 | gm | i might just install the corresponding libesd0 |
| 12:16.24 | hahlo | btw why debconf is replaced with fakedebconf? |
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| 12:21.38 | gm | right, only 6 mangled dependencies to go |
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| 12:27.08 | gm | hmm, well, if the sdk is supposed to be able to run on these different package versions to develop for the device, i'd assume it'd be safe to replace os2008 packages with these... |
| 12:32.05 | oranginalab | Has anyone been able to build microb-eal? I am experiencing dependencies issues and don't know how to solve them |
| 12:32.07 | timeless | i'm expecting someone to show up shortly asking about building microb |
| 12:32.11 | timeless | that'd be the someone |
| 12:32.12 | timeless | hello |
| 12:32.28 | oranginalab | hi thats me |
| 12:33.03 | timeless | hrm, you're working in a scratchbox |
| 12:33.12 | timeless | is the world outside your scratchbox debian based? |
| 12:33.49 | oranginalab | yes. World outside scratchbox is a Debian system. |
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| 12:34.20 | timeless | can you install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb |
| 12:34.35 | timeless | (you can install it both inside and outside, but i'm going to assume you prefer browsing from outside) |
| 12:34.49 | gm | hmm, i think i'm creating a disaster here... |
| 12:36.13 | timeless | if you do, then we can use short urls like mxr.maemo.org |
| 12:36.19 | timeless | if not, then we have to use longer urls |
| 12:36.26 | timeless | like timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test |
| 12:38.19 | oranginalab | I have installed it (outside) |
| 12:38.29 | timeless | ok, |
| 12:38.36 | oranginalab | what was that |
| 12:38.38 | timeless | you should be able to load http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/ |
| 12:39.58 | oranginalab | Error 404. |
| 12:40.24 | timeless | are you using a proxy? |
| 12:40.29 | oranginalab | Do you want me to install it inside scratchbox |
| 12:40.36 | oranginalab | I do not |
| 12:41.00 | gm | uh-oh |
| 12:41.05 | gm | just screwed up libgtk2 |
| 12:41.10 | gm | reflashing time :) |
| 12:41.18 | timeless | gm: gah |
| 12:41.27 | timeless | organinalab: erp |
| 12:41.37 | timeless | try loading just http://mxr.maemo.org/ |
| 12:41.58 | timeless | if the title is repository.maemo.org (aka. stage.maemo.org) then it didn't work |
| 12:42.13 | timeless | in which case you should uninstall the deb and we'll just use longer urls |
| 12:42.47 | timeless | anyway, here's the first longer url: |
| 12:42.47 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control |
| 12:42.52 | oranginalab | The title is repository.... |
| 12:42.53 | gm | knew it would happen :) |
| 12:43.13 | timeless | ok, uninstall the deb |
| 12:44.09 | timeless | oh, i bet i know what's up |
| 12:44.12 | timeless | that'd be clever |
| 12:44.16 | timeless | well, let's see :) |
| 12:45.50 | timeless | hrm, cute |
| 12:45.53 | oranginalab | I've loaded that Mozilla Cross Reference page but i don't know what I am doing |
| 12:46.04 | timeless | we're just reading aroudn |
| 12:46.37 | timeless | the first thing i did was try to figure out who or what provides maemo-browser-eal-dev |
| 12:46.37 | oranginalab | lets read |
| 12:47.00 | oranginalab | ok |
| 12:47.18 | timeless | there are basically 2 repositories of interest |
| 12:47.29 | timeless | one is garage (which is what we're looking at there) |
| 12:47.35 | timeless | it's where you got the source for browser |
| 12:47.39 | timeless | the other is chinook |
| 12:47.40 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=browser-eal-dev&find=debian/control |
| 12:47.47 | timeless | which is where the normal dev packages live |
| 12:49.07 | timeless | anyway, searching chinook showed no such package |
| 12:49.53 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=eal-dev&find=debian/control |
| 12:50.02 | timeless | otoh eventually does show some |
| 12:50.24 | timeless | the one that's most interesting is ironically in the same file |
| 12:50.32 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.32 | timeless | /browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control, |
| 12:50.32 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.32 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.48 | timeless | a bit of useless history, which is unfortunately relevant |
| 12:50.57 | timeless | before microb was released, its internal name was maemo-browser |
| 12:51.12 | timeless | but the lawyers and managers determined that it couldn't keep the name maemo |
| 12:51.19 | timeless | so a new name was chosen (microb) |
| 12:51.30 | timeless | in most cases, it was a global replace (maemo-browser => microb) |
| 12:51.42 | timeless | but, it seems that in this Build-Depends line, the replace didn't happen :o |
| 12:52.06 | timeless | since the control file specifies a package microb-eal-dev, it seems likely that the build-depend was supposed to be on that |
| 12:52.30 | timeless | the reason it builds for everyone else, should be apparent too from the search results |
| 12:52.37 | timeless | everyone else has browser-eal-dev |
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| 12:52.57 | timeless | anyway, try changing maemo-browser to microb, and then rebuilding :) |
| 12:53.23 | timeless | if that works, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org browser/microb and attach an svn diff for the change |
| 12:53.30 | timeless | people here can help w/ all those steps |
| 12:54.07 | oranginalab | I am going to try it and come back to tell you it worked. |
| 12:54.22 | timeless | btw, there's no reason to leave the channel, it won't hurt you to stay :) |
| 12:54.51 | oranginalab | :) |
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| 13:03.00 | oranginalab | Hi, again |
| 13:03.16 | oranginalab | That didn't work |
| 13:03.23 | timeless | did you at least get a different error? |
| 13:03.53 | oranginalab | the microb-eal-dev dependence error is still there (now with a different name) |
| 13:04.47 | timeless | what command are you using to build now? |
| 13:04.56 | timeless | you'll need to build microb-eal-dev first... |
| 13:05.33 | oranginalab | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc |
| 13:06.39 | timeless | anyone here want to be my hero? |
| 13:06.44 | timeless | i'm sure i've earned a hero |
| 13:06.55 | oranginalab | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.07 | timeless | that's not to you :) |
| 13:07.16 | gm | heh, i hate dpkg too |
| 13:07.40 | oranginalab | let me know the best way to build packages, then |
| 13:08.04 | timeless | the best way is not to start :) |
| 13:10.52 | oranginalab | I am getting lost, how do i get microb-eal-dev source code |
| 13:11.04 | oranginalab | and how i build it without dpkg |
| 13:11.08 | timeless | microb-eal-dev is part of the same pacakge as the thing you're in |
| 13:11.51 | timeless | oh |
| 13:11.55 | timeless | ok, well, try this |
| 13:12.06 | timeless | hrm |
| 13:13.49 | timeless | ok, just temporarily try removing the dependency entirely: |
| 13:13.50 | timeless | build-depends:%20debhelper%20(>=%204.0.0),%20microb-engine-dev%20(>=%200.0.1-1),%20libgtk2.0-dev,%20osso-ic-dev,%20libhildon1-dev%20|%20hildon-libs-dev,%20libosso-gnomevfs2-dev,%20libssl-dev,%20libgtkmozembed-dev,%20libconic0-dev%20|%20osso-ic-dev,%20libdbus-1-dev%20|%20dbus-1-dev,%20libdbus-glib-1-dev%20|%20dbus-glib-1-dev,%20libcst-dev |
| 13:14.00 | timeless | oh boy, my web browser was really helpful :( |
| 13:14.05 | timeless | build-depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev |
| 13:14.27 | timeless | now they do random other things |
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| 13:16.18 | oranginalab | You want me to try to build it just skipping dependencies? |
| 13:16.36 | oranginalab | I can try dpkg-buildpackage -d |
| 13:18.50 | oranginalab | It was just microb-eal-dev that you want me to remove. I am going to try |
| 13:19.37 | timeless | yeah, it's microb-eal-dev and the | part |
| 13:21.05 | oranginalab | Ok. We have skipped microb-eal-dev. Now there are only two issues remaining |
| 13:21.20 | oranginalab | osso-ic-dev and libgtkmozembed-dev |
| 13:26.10 | oranginalab | I tried to build libgtkmozembed and after solving dependencies (microb-engine-dev, bc, quilt) I got a compilation error |
| 13:26.40 | timeless | pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 13:28.03 | oranginalab | ok |
| 13:29.45 | oranginalab | Excuse me, I am not used to IRC tools |
| 13:29.54 | timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 13:30.00 | timeless | paste the build error there |
| 13:30.03 | timeless | then paste the url it gives you here |
| 13:30.17 | timeless | i'm not expecting you to be familiar w/ irc tools |
| 13:30.36 | timeless | so far, you've actually made many fewer gaffs than most people :) |
| 13:30.49 | timeless | if you want more information about irc, you can visit http://irchelp.org |
| 13:33.31 | timeless | what part of maemo-developers means "Rant about nokia hardware design" :( |
| 13:34.02 | oranginalab | I have pasted the libgtkmozembed building error |
| 13:34.31 | oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262 |
| 13:34.32 | timeless | you'll need to copy the url from the browser to this window |
| 13:34.33 | timeless | thanks |
| 13:35.01 | timeless | ok |
| 13:35.06 | timeless | so you're building libgtkmozembed |
| 13:35.20 | timeless | but you don't have microb-dev (or something like it) installed |
| 13:36.04 | timeless | microb-engine-dev |
| 13:36.19 | timeless | you're going to need to somehow get microb-engine-dev |
| 13:36.28 | timeless | one way is to build it (from svn) |
| 13:36.52 | oranginalab | I have installed with just a apt-get install |
| 13:37.08 | timeless | just now? |
| 13:37.12 | oranginalab | Not now |
| 13:37.17 | timeless | hrm |
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| 13:39.05 | oranginalab | I tried to build libgtkmozembed hoping it will provide me with some libgtkmozembed-dev package needed to build microb-eal |
| 13:39.23 | oranginalab | but i failed. |
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| 13:41.05 | timeless | you have all the sources for microb, including microb-engine, right? |
| 13:41.30 | timeless | you could use xpidl to create nsIXPIProgressDialog.h |
| 13:44.52 | oranginalab | I downloaded all sources from microb, engine included |
| 13:44.59 | timeless | ok |
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| 13:47.12 | oranginalab | I have no idea on how to do what you suggested |
| 13:47.33 | oranginalab | and now I can even remember what it was |
| 13:47.45 | timeless | fwiw, one of the urls in the topic is to a channel log |
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| 13:49.01 | timeless | ok, you'll want to cd trunk/microb-engine |
| 13:49.13 | timeless | if you want to try to skip building gecko, you'd probably do this: |
| 13:49.18 | timeless | sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh |
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| 13:49.55 | timeless | cd scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla |
| 13:49.57 | oranginalab | done |
| 13:50.03 | timeless | xpidl --help |
| 13:50.12 | timeless | the file you want to feed xpidl is: /xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl |
| 13:50.24 | timeless | the output format you want is header |
| 13:50.48 | timeless | so, something like: |
| 13:50.58 | oranginalab | wait, please |
| 13:51.18 | oranginalab | i have no scratch_build directory |
| 13:51.31 | timeless | xpidl -m header -I ... -o /tmp/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl |
| 13:51.36 | timeless | um.. |
| 13:52.04 | timeless | if you used sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh you'd get one: |
| 13:52.05 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/build_non_deb.sh#22 |
| 13:52.10 | timeless | if you don't want to skip building microb |
| 13:52.14 | timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
| 13:52.20 | oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277279 |
| 13:52.22 | timeless | you can just do the two fakeroot commands |
| 13:52.37 | timeless | oh |
| 13:52.44 | timeless | heh, well, um, you'd need to do what it says :) |
| 13:52.57 | timeless | although, it's kinda missing a "fakeroot" token :) |
| 13:53.01 | oranginalab | ejem! |
| 13:53.18 | timeless | but, it's not really designed for people in scratchboxes, so, that's forgivable :) |
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| 13:56.50 | oranginalab | Now it's taking its time to build |
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| 13:57.05 | oranginalab | Next time i will read output |
| 13:57.19 | timeless | a good lesson to learn :) |
| 14:00.03 | oranginalab | this way i will avoid blusing this way |
| 14:02.32 | timeless | it's ok, we're all new at least once |
| 14:02.37 | timeless | i tend to be new daily |
| 14:02.42 | alterego | :) |
| 14:02.47 | timeless | every day is a new chance for me to make dozens of mistakes |
| 14:04.41 | oranginalab | just dozens? May be my days are longer :) |
| 14:05.22 | derf | If you aren't floundering around helplessly, you aren't learning anything. |
| 14:06.21 | derf | I would like to learn why dpkg-buildpackage is suddenly no longer in my path in scratchbox. |
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| 14:08.54 | oranginalab | Now I have a scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla directory |
| 14:09.15 | oranginalab | But no xpidl command |
| 14:09.15 | timeless | oranginalab: it's dark outside |
| 14:09.19 | timeless | and has been for a few hours |
| 14:09.34 | timeless | i think there's around 5hours of daylight |
| 14:09.38 | timeless | and that's theoretical daylight |
| 14:09.43 | timeless | so yeah, i'm fairly sure your days are longer :) |
| 14:10.23 | timeless | organinalab: um... one of the packages theoretically had xpidl |
| 14:10.26 | timeless | i know because i checked |
| 14:10.42 | timeless | try: /usr/lib/microb-engine/xpidl |
| 14:11.17 | oranginalab | here it is |
| 14:11.46 | timeless | is it one giant mess? |
| 14:12.50 | oranginalab | can't tell you. It's not only maemo that i am newbie on... |
| 14:13.30 | timeless | as a temporary place for that .h file, stick it next to EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp |
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| 14:15.05 | timeless | oh, you'll probably need to add some -Is |
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| 14:15.30 | timeless | e.g. -I /usr/share/idl/microb-engine |
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| 14:21.05 | timeless | are you currently stuck somewhere? |
| 14:21.15 | timeless | it's past 4pm, and i'd like to see if i can find lunch |
| 14:21.25 | timeless | before christmas even makes that impossible |
| 14:21.41 | oranginalab | Excuse me |
| 14:22.18 | oranginalab | I have executed the xpidl command and was trying to understand what happened |
| 14:22.26 | oranginalab | if something happened |
| 14:23.13 | oranginalab | please, Just tell what were we trying to achieve with that command and i'll do some googling |
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| 14:25.12 | oranginalab | Have a Merry Christmas and forgive me for stucking you here. |
| 14:26.22 | L0cutus | someone know/use this keyboard with n8x0 ? http://www.expansys.it/p.aspx?i=149150 |
| 14:26.24 | timeless | the goal was to create the .h file that was missing from http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262 |
| 14:26.41 | timeless | the -o thing would have specified where that file went |
| 14:27.01 | timeless | temporarily, the file probably should be /home/sigfried/apt-sources/microb/libgtkembedmoz/src/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h |
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| 14:30.53 | oranginalab | I've found it |
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| 14:37.15 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.18 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.21 | timeless | nice description |
| 14:38.04 | oranginalab | strangely it is called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h.h |
| 14:38.25 | oranginalab | I have placed in the same directory as EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp |
| 14:38.33 | timeless | oranginalab: fix it, that was my fault |
| 14:38.42 | timeless | i don't call xpidl manually that often |
| 14:39.06 | timeless | it needs to be called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h |
| 14:39.24 | timeless | anyway, w/ that in place, go back and see if the libgtkmozembed package builds |
| 14:41.15 | oranginalab | Ok. I have renamed it and I am trying to compile it. |
| 14:41.46 | |tbb| | How can i type lower case for the first character of a new sentence? Shift+character doesn't do the job |
| 14:42.16 | oranginalab | It is going to take a while. |
| 14:42.37 | oranginalab | We both should go for something to lunch. |
| 14:43.31 | oranginalab | I'll place my desktop under the tree and may be tomorrow I got a brand new libgtkmozembed library |
| 14:44.05 | timeless | heh |
| 14:45.02 | oranginalab | Merry Christmas, I'll keep you informed (if you don't mind) |
| 14:45.31 | timeless | i don't mind being informed, but i don't celebrate, i just starve |
| 14:45.44 | |tbb| | Anyone got an isea? |
| 14:45.53 | timeless | isea?? |
| 14:45.53 | |tbb| | Idea? |
| 14:46.21 | timeless | which keyboard? |
| 14:46.25 | timeless | hardware/n810? |
| 14:46.49 | |tbb| | Hardware 810 |
| 14:46.58 | timeless | does shift;x not do what you want? |
| 14:47.06 | |tbb| | Nope |
| 14:47.16 | timeless | this is in notes? |
| 14:47.21 | timeless | (notes is a nice sample app) |
| 14:47.43 | |tbb| | Its in pidgin right now |
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| 14:48.58 | derf | So why is dpkg-architecture returning arm instead of armel on my maemo3.2 target now? |
| 14:50.14 | timeless | oranginalab: oh |
| 14:50.16 | timeless | one note |
| 14:50.19 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 |
| 14:50.29 | timeless | clearly says to include '-d' in the dpkg-buildpackage args |
| 14:50.39 | timeless | which is probably how everyone else ignores the builddeps issue |
| 14:53.12 | |tbb| | I have to disable do uppercase for new sentences in controlpanel i think. |
| 14:53.37 | timeless | i'm pretty sure pressing shift once should work temporarily |
| 14:54.05 | |tbb| | Not in pidgin trust me |
| 14:54.16 | timeless | did you try notes? |
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| 14:55.01 | |tbb| | Is there something like switching open apps, like alt+tab (not the home button) |
| 14:55.19 | derf | Aha, the answer was I really wanted the debian-lenny devkit, not debian-sarge. |
| 14:55.38 | |tbb| | Timless notes also |
| 14:55.49 | oranginalab | I tried days ago to buiild microb-engine with -d flag and it failed |
| 14:56.35 | oranginalab | I can try to build microb-eal skipping builddeps but I don't think is going to work |
| 14:58.25 | timeless | organinalab: -d is to skip them because you've somehow satisfied them |
| 14:58.32 | timeless | it's not about actually not needing them :) |
| 14:58.44 | derf | Except, of course, that didn't work, either. |
| 14:59.12 | timeless | derf: task switching is done w/ task navigator or the home hardware key |
| 14:59.20 | timeless | are you thinking about a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 14:59.27 | timeless | because the default keyboard doesn't have anything like alt |
| 14:59.36 | timeless | or f1..f12 |
| 15:00.01 | timeless | from memory, some of the f keys are mapped to emulate the hardware buttons |
| 15:00.12 | timeless | of course, that's remapable w/ the bluetooth control panel applet |
| 15:02.12 | oranginalab | Santa is not going to bring me a libgtkmozembed library |
| 15:02.22 | oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277369 |
| 15:02.28 | oranginalab | Just the same error |
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| 15:10.05 | |tbb| | Timeless: any other idea? Is there a shortcut wiki for the hardware keyboard? Like app to fullscreen mode from keyboard not hitting special keys on another location |
| 15:15.09 | timeless | the shortcuts on the hardware keyboard are very basic |
| 15:15.31 | oranginalab | I've tried to build microb-eal skipping builddeps with -d flag but it failed. So I'd rather concentrate on building libgtkmozembed first. |
| 15:17.15 | pupnik_ | timeless: are you like the main dude working on microb? |
| 15:17.25 | timeless | for some very strange defintion |
| 15:17.37 | timeless | i don't usually build |
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| 15:17.47 | timeless | and the people here have access to the alternate depends |
| 15:17.53 | timeless | which means all sorts of bad things happen |
| 15:18.02 | timeless | the maemo-browser depend here being one of them |
| 15:19.38 | timeless | romaxa is the main engineer i suppose |
| 15:19.48 | oranginalab | It's just me who have this problems to build microb? |
| 15:20.01 | timeless | each person seems to have a slightly different set of problems |
| 15:20.08 | timeless | but please file a bug about maemo-browser |
| 15:20.16 | timeless | that's just a bug |
| 15:20.56 | oranginalab | I mean if you know if other people is building the browser without problems |
| 15:21.43 | timeless | well, the people here have what's essentially a different build environment |
| 15:21.50 | timeless | and the people in mozilla land have different goals |
| 15:22.41 | timeless | given that doublec only filed one bug for build problems, i'd assume what he did was sufficient to get things to work |
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| 15:25.16 | alterego | I'm gonna try and build it in a while. |
| 15:25.26 | alterego | Is everyone after gtkmozembed? |
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| 15:26.31 | timeless | organinalab: out of curiosity, why do you want to build it? |
| 15:27.01 | Gemtech | seasons greeting i have a question about my new n800 and xmame |
| 15:27.09 | |tbb| | A2dp with nx00 is a way 2 go, ;( |
| 15:27.13 | oranginalab | alterego: Please, let me know if you achieve it |
| 15:27.17 | pupnik | greets Gemtech |
| 15:27.21 | alterego | Sure |
| 15:27.35 | timeless | oranginalab: i hope this channel hasn't proved too scary |
| 15:27.41 | alterego | It wont be for an hour or so. I need to install the SDK ;) |
| 15:27.41 | timeless | sorry i wasn't of more assistance |
| 15:27.50 | oranginalab | timeless: I want to rebuild it because i need to remove the tap & hold event |
| 15:27.56 | timeless | oh |
| 15:27.56 | pupnik | gentech, the answer is some roms require a particular version of xmame to run them |
| 15:28.18 | Gemtech | im getting unable to load rom...Im sure you heard this problem over and over again |
| 15:28.36 | pupnik | :) |
| 15:28.53 | Gemtech | old school game donkey kong |
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| 15:29.07 | alterego | sudo apt-get install sudo? That's not gonna work :D |
| 15:29.08 | oranginalab | I first modified GTK but only to discover that microb does not deal with GTk like the rest of apps |
| 15:29.30 | Gemtech | i have old arcade roms |
| 15:29.43 | oranginalab | timeless: I thank you very much for your effort and you patiente. |
| 15:30.02 | timeless | oraninalab: yeah, i remember that discussion in maemo-devel |
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| 15:31.45 | Gemtech | what version of xmame should i try? thanks for helping |
| 15:31.55 | oranginalab | Disgracefully, oranginlab can not stop thinking about libgtmozembed until somehow the tap&hold event vanishes |
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| 15:35.45 | oranginalab | alterego: I have to leave now but I would really thank you if you write me a line to tell me if you succeeded in building libgtkmozembed (and specially microb-eal package) |
| 15:36.11 | timeless | oranginalab: keep in mind that the channel log is indexed by google |
| 15:36.17 | timeless | but so far, i don't think alterego knows your email address |
| 15:36.37 | oranginalab | how do people share their e-mail through IRC? |
| 15:37.01 | macluvjay | register your nick with nickserv? |
| 15:37.40 | timeless | macluvjay: a url explaining that would be helpful |
| 15:37.45 | oranginalab | sure |
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| 15:38.36 | macluvjay | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.43 | macluvjay | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.46 | macluvjay | for a start |
| 15:39.16 | macluvjay | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
| 15:40.48 | oranginalab | thank you |
| 15:41.13 | macluvjay | :) |
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| 15:51.03 | Gemtech | ok so i have the original xmame. I launched from terminal xmame frooger and it says missing files what gives? |
| 15:51.29 | oranginalab | alterego: I have registered my nick. Can you see my e-mail or may be I need to relog |
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| 16:02.57 | astro76 | Gemtech, you need a romset appropriate for mame 0.58 |
| 16:04.01 | alterego | Email? What email? |
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| 16:08.14 | pupnik | N810 owner? Post your SD card read/write speeds here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695 |
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| 16:18.14 | Gemtech | what version of xmame is anyone is using and what romset? |
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| 16:22.19 | khertan | Hi |
| 16:26.58 | oranginalab | alterego: I was trying to share my email with you because I would thank you if you tell me wether you succeed or not building libgtkmozembed (and microb-eal package) |
| 16:27.14 | alterego | oranginalab, pm it to me :) |
| 16:28.20 | oranginalab | I'm new at IRC. What do you mean by pm |
| 16:28.57 | alterego | private message. |
| 16:29.04 | alterego | type: /msg alterego blah blah |
| 16:29.35 | alterego | Anyhow, I've almost finished installing the SDK, so it shouldn't be much longer :) |
| 16:30.38 | oranginalab | Then I will wait a while |
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| 16:43.16 | GNUton | re |
| 16:46.41 | alterego | Hmm, can't check out the fuggin' sources. |
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| 16:48.27 | oranginalab | Where are you trying to get microb sources |
| 16:48.37 | alterego | working now. |
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| 17:11.07 | kala_ | the scummvm on maemo cannot use virtual keyboard and you cannot do 'save-game in some games. anybody know the workaround? |
| 17:13.00 | alterego | There's a work around? |
| 17:13.07 | kala_ | I hope so :) |
| 17:13.19 | alterego | You presume so :P |
| 17:13.29 | kala_ | yeah. |
| 17:13.30 | kala_ | mother of all fuckups |
| 17:13.33 | kala_ | somebody have said |
| 17:14.26 | pupnik | ITOS keyboard doesn't work with sdl games. You need to use http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
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| 17:15.02 | pupnik | unless scummvm has builtin keyboard somewhere |
| 17:15.45 | kala_ | ok, I'll try that |
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| 17:19.15 | truent | alterego, hey the other day i asked if ruby-maemo was broken.. is it? |
| 17:19.23 | alterego | No |
| 17:19.29 | truent | is it just not revamped for chinook or what |
| 17:19.34 | truent | so its good to go? |
| 17:19.36 | alterego | you said you couldn't require conic. You're doing something wrong. |
| 17:19.48 | kala_ | or the bluetooth hardware keyboard. but usually, when you try to save the game, you don't have the keyboard on you |
| 17:19.51 | truent | damn i left it in the car |
| 17:19.56 | truent | alterego, you can? |
| 17:20.08 | truent | which version did you install of all that for os2008? |
| 17:20.10 | alterego | Of course |
| 17:20.27 | alterego | 0.4.0 |
| 17:20.39 | truent | i tried os2008 ver on your site didnt work if i remember right |
| 17:21.38 | alterego | So you didn't see the install file? |
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| 17:22.08 | truent | actually i think that is how i installed it |
| 17:22.15 | truent | the second time.. |
| 17:22.18 | alterego | Hmmm |
| 17:22.32 | truent | first time i tried os2008 no workee.. then i tried os2007 and it installed.. |
| 17:22.56 | truent | then i decided to try your .install.. so i removed the old .. .install'd and that worked |
| 17:22.56 | alterego | Then you're doing something _very_ wrong .. |
| 17:23.12 | truent | lol i left it in the car so i cant check |
| 17:23.14 | alterego | The install file installs the latest version. |
| 17:23.31 | alterego | Which does have a couple of bugs in it which I'm fixing. One is to do with conic but it wont stop it being required. |
| 17:23.51 | truent | mind you i tried it in irb |
| 17:23.59 | truent | not normal ruby |
| 17:24.00 | alterego | That's how I tried it. |
| 17:24.04 | truent | hmm |
| 17:24.11 | truent | okie welp i'll try again |
| 17:24.21 | truent | loved ruby on os2007 |
| 17:24.26 | truent | all three of us that use it |
| 17:24.33 | truent | thanks for your work for sure ;) |
| 17:24.55 | alterego | Three of you? :) |
| 17:25.12 | truent | i mean like there doesnt seem to be much demand for ruby |
| 17:25.17 | truent | plenty of python guys |
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| 17:25.30 | alterego | ls |
| 17:25.40 | truent | and you're still workin on it.. i applaud you ;p |
| 17:26.02 | alterego | :) |
| 17:26.18 | alterego | There are more ruby maemo users than you think ;) |
| 17:26.27 | Jon | alright ladies/gents. Is the source of "sketch" on the Internet tablets part of the dev platform, or available elsewhere at all? |
| 17:26.29 | alterego | I know of at least 15 people. |
| 17:26.31 | truent | good stuff |
| 17:26.59 | Jon | oh bugger there's the door |
| 17:27.05 | truent | alterego, any chance we can get a compile of rubygems? |
| 17:27.13 | alterego | Nope |
| 17:27.19 | truent | what happened |
| 17:27.30 | alterego | rubygems doesn't run well, _very_ slow. |
| 17:27.41 | truent | os2008 or in general? |
| 17:28.17 | truent | i had some metasploit dude's compile of it for os2007.. so you could install/run metasploit's web interface |
| 17:28.20 | alterego | In general. |
| 17:28.30 | truent | that was super slow |
| 17:28.39 | alterego | It doesn't work well enough to bother with. But you should be able to install it yourself from the rubygems site quite easily. |
| 17:28.48 | truent | ok |
| 17:29.51 | truent | oh.. |
| 17:29.56 | truent | any progress on ruby-dbus? |
| 17:30.26 | alterego | That's my first priority right now. |
| 17:30.34 | alterego | Getting it to work with a glibc event loop. |
| 17:30.54 | truent | nice |
| 17:31.09 | truent | so one wouldnt need something like dbus-scripts |
| 17:31.17 | truent | you could do it all in ruby right? |
| 17:31.31 | alterego | Hopefully. |
| 17:31.37 | truent | thats awesome |
| 17:31.41 | alterego | Otherwise I'm gonna have to write a new dbus bindings :S |
| 17:31.49 | truent | heh |
| 17:32.04 | truent | well my c is a lil rusty otherwise i'd try and help |
| 17:32.11 | truent | and my ruby isnt even that good ;p |
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| 17:33.12 | truent | actually i guess ruby im ok.. |
| 17:33.22 | alterego | :) |
| 17:33.23 | truent | rails still makes me think some time |
| 17:33.26 | truent | s |
| 17:33.28 | alterego | Practice makes perfect. |
| 17:33.57 | truent | indeed.. i learned alot making a lil script for the n800 to connect to my blackjack phone |
| 17:34.13 | truent | i wanna get deeper though,.. not just a bunch of system calls to dbus-send |
| 17:34.44 | truent | i need something like what you're doing.. cuz i just wanna eventually be choosing a connection in the manager |
| 17:35.12 | truent | grab the signal.. and move from there.. turning everything on that needs to be |
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| 17:35.56 | truent | what i need to work on is the maemo part.. all the gui api stuff.. havent got into that at all yet |
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| 17:44.18 | alterego | truent, That unfortunately is ruby-maemo's strongest point :) |
| 17:44.47 | alterego | The Hildon Bindings are the best part. Well, that and OSSO. OSSO does have some okay dbus support. So you might be able to do your dbus stuff through there. |
| 17:44.55 | alterego | Better than wrapping calls to the dbus-send executable. |
| 17:45.48 | alterego | Wow, the maemo repository is really broken pretty badly >:( |
| 17:47.41 | truent | alterego, oh yeah.. i havent been touching ruby-maemo yet.. its just ruby on the n800 for me so far |
| 17:47.46 | truent | but i wanna get into it soon |
| 17:48.41 | alterego | It's pretty fun. |
| 17:48.47 | alterego | And it's gonna keep getting better :) |
| 17:49.58 | truent | nice |
| 17:50.08 | oranginalab | alterego: I have to leave now. Would you be so kind to e-mail me if you succeed in building libgtkmozembed / microb-eal libraries? |
| 17:50.15 | truent | well once i learn, i'm gonna write your documentation ;p |
| 17:50.36 | alterego | oranginalab, it's building now. |
| 17:50.49 | alterego | truent, it'd be appreciated ;) |
| 17:53.21 | alterego | oranginalab, if I'm successfull, I'll publish my method ;) |
| 17:55.41 | oranginalab | great |
| 17:56.16 | alterego | So far it's compiling okay. |
| 17:57.23 | alterego | This'll be handy, I can get ruby gtkmozembed working finally :) |
| 17:58.03 | alterego | And maybe do some playing with xul .. |
| 17:58.56 | oranginalab | you are now compiling libgtkmozembed. Will you try to also build microb-eal? |
| 17:59.11 | alterego | I'm compiling the engine now. |
| 17:59.48 | alterego | I'll compile it all. |
| 18:00.18 | alterego | Though, probably not i10l .. |
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| 18:05.52 | FMZ | Are any of the Canola2 guys in? |
| 18:06.41 | truent | alterego, how are you compiling these things.. in a chinook scratchbox? |
| 18:07.00 | alterego | indeed |
| 18:07.30 | truent | nice |
| 18:07.38 | truent | i finally got mine to install yesterday |
| 18:07.47 | truent | all those repo probs |
| 18:08.13 | alterego | Yes, there are a few aren't there .. |
| 18:08.21 | truent | seems so |
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| 18:20.44 | oranginalab | I've tried to build microb-engine again |
| 18:20.53 | oranginalab | but it failed |
| 18:20.54 | oranginalab | again |
| 18:21.03 | oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277585 |
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| 18:25.47 | penguinbait | yabbas? |
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| 18:37.40 | oranginalab | alterego: Did you finally succeed in building microb-engine? |
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| 18:57.34 | alterego | oranginalab, no, it appears my scratchbox install is _very_ broken. The maemo repos are seriously screwed so I'm attempting to fix it all :) |
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| 19:01.23 | trinket | Has anyone had trouble getting Adblock plus working? I'm not seeing the icon in the lower right corner. |
| 19:01.44 | oranginalab | alterego: What a shame! |
| 19:01.54 | oranginalab | Hope you can fix it |
| 19:02.15 | oranginalab | Please let me know if you succeed |
| 19:02.36 | oranginalab | Merry Christmas |
| 19:05.40 | liia | how to test whether the n810 gps works or not? |
| 19:05.58 | liia | that settings > control panel gps thingy should be able to get some coordinates? |
| 19:06.08 | liia | how long should it take? |
| 19:06.12 | liia | outdoors naturally |
| 19:06.25 | alterego | Maximum 5 minutes. |
| 19:06.32 | alterego | For a cold start. |
| 19:06.39 | liia | ok, didn't wait quite that long |
| 19:06.45 | liia | it was freezing outside :) |
| 19:06.52 | alterego | Leave it out there ;) |
| 19:06.58 | alterego | As long as it's not raining ^_^ |
| 19:08.17 | liia | not so easy if you don't have your own yard :) |
| 19:10.49 | alterego | Meh, leave it on a window sill for five odd minutes then. |
| 19:11.26 | alterego | I don't know for sure, but the configuration thing you were talking about should tell you how many sats it sees. You need 3 for a 2D lock and 4 for a 3D lock. |
| 19:12.59 | yabbas | penguinbait! |
| 19:13.09 | yabbas | merry christmas eve :) |
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| 19:14.39 | GNUro | Merry Christmas to you all |
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| 19:17.34 | alterego | This is bad. |
| 19:17.42 | alterego | I don't think I can install the SDK properly : |
| 19:17.44 | alterego | :/ |
| 19:17.49 | yabbas | why not? |
| 19:18.00 | alterego | The repository is really broken :/ |
| 19:18.21 | liia | alterego: yay, now it's working. inside, next to a window. just had to wait long enough. thanks |
| 19:18.30 | alterego | liia, no problem :) |
| 19:18.54 | yabbas | alterego, know how that feels :( |
| 19:19.38 | alterego | Maybe I could get them manually :/ |
| 19:21.37 | |tbb| | Trinket: same here with addblock |
| 19:21.47 | alterego | Kind of a crappy time for them to be broken. Now I lose out on all the Christmas hacking I could be doing :( |
| 19:22.25 | yabbas | hmmm, do links on the application menu run in user privs, or can they be elevated to root privs? |
| 19:22.47 | alterego | You can setuid the executable. But be careful of that. |
| 19:23.09 | yabbas | well - I want to create an insmod link on the menu |
| 19:23.52 | yabbas | do-able? |
| 19:23.56 | alterego | If it's something that simple. Add an item to sudoers. |
| 19:24.26 | yabbas | all this user privs stuff in linux is new to me - got a link to something I ought to read please? :) |
| 19:24.38 | alterego | google.com ? :P |
| 19:24.44 | alterego | You're looking for /etc/sudoers. |
| 19:24.58 | alterego | The command is called 'sudo' so googling for those would be good. |
| 19:25.13 | yabbas | doesn't that specify user rights added to sudoers? :P not commandline apps? |
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| 19:25.42 | alterego | I wouldn't have suggested it if it wasn't appropriate yabbas. |
| 19:26.26 | yabbas | so, elevate user privs to sudoers - menu item = sudo insmod insteas |
| 19:26.29 | yabbas | *instead |
| 19:26.38 | alterego | No |
| 19:27.09 | alterego | Add an item to sudoers that allows the user 'user' to execute `modprobe module_name`. |
| 19:27.17 | |tbb| | Where can i see if addblock works? |
| 19:27.20 | alterego | Then you're script, program, whatever can run that. |
| 19:27.34 | yabbas | ko |
| 19:28.00 | alterego | yabbas, you're specifically looking for adding a rule that doesn't require a password ;) |
| 19:28.18 | alterego | You could probably guess how to do it by just looking at the file yourself ;) |
| 19:28.37 | yabbas | alterego, I see it, cheers :) |
| 19:29.19 | alterego | I think I'm just going to give up and wait for them to fix it. |
| 19:29.45 | alterego | There's a possibility I could copy over my scratchbox installation from my laptops hard drive. |
| 19:33.05 | skibur | BAH! HUMBUG! |
| 19:33.18 | celesteh | hahaha |
| 19:33.21 | skibur | lol |
| 19:33.34 | skibur | When was the last time you've heard that? |
| 19:33.45 | celesteh | this morning, but i live with grumpy people |
| 19:34.57 | skibur | Now thats... BAH! HUMBUG! |
| 19:35.01 | skibur | :P |
| 19:35.22 | celesteh | heh |
| 19:36.12 | skibur | brb |
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| 19:47.10 | kbsingh | hey guys, have a good holiday season.. make much noise |
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| 20:09.47 | |tbb| | Is there a vncserver for os2008 available? |
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| 20:39.43 | legind | any vnc server available for chinook yet? |
| 20:40.03 | kbsingh | vncserver ? |
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| 20:40.22 | tontsa | there's client.. why would you want vncserver |
| 20:40.28 | tontsa | use X forwarding :) |
| 20:41.36 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 20:42.17 | kbsingh | nxclient would be nice |
| 20:42.48 | kbsingh | btw, claws-mail on n810 is really good. |
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| 21:03.29 | guardian | ah great |
| 21:03.34 | guardian | i was installing chinook sdk |
| 21:03.39 | guardian | in the middle of maintenance :( |
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| 21:11.21 | liia | how to get that virtual keyboard in xterm? it had something to do with tapping the cursor but that does not seem to work now |
| 21:12.42 | tontsa | you need to enable the tap keyboard in all apps to get it |
| 21:16.29 | liia | ah, my co-nerd enabled that one to the previous flash, had no idea such setting existed :) |
| 21:16.35 | liia | shared toys not working ;) |
| 21:16.49 | liia | thanks. |
| 21:28.30 | aloisiojr | hi all any idea when the extras repo will be available again ? |
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| 21:46.01 | yabbas | right ... for .desktop entries - where would you store the icon? /usr/share/pixmaps/ or usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/ ? |
| 21:47.25 | yabbas | if in icons/hicolor - should I provide icons for all other resolutions? 26x26, 32x32, 64x64, etc - or does hildon automagically resize them when needed? |
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| 21:56.50 | skibur | ok I'm back |
| 21:57.01 | skibur | so has OS2009 come out? :P |
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| 21:57.46 | Jiten | I think OS2009 is due next year. |
| 22:00.08 | yabbas | I've got a copy of OS2009 running here. They've clocked the processor to 533MHz. |
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| 22:37.52 | Robot101 | how can I configure the toolbar in osso-xterm to send alt+keypress? |
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| 22:46.15 | timelyx | alterego: how's my deb? :) |
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| 22:49.03 | yabbas | where do .desktop icons go? |
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| 22:50.39 | yabbas | anyone? :( |
| 22:51.52 | timelyx | what do you mean? |
| 22:52.09 | timelyx | do you want to know where they are cached? |
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| 22:53.19 | timelyx | alterego: fwiw, oranginalab was using build_non_deb.sh, but afaict the script deals w/ uu decoding |
| 22:55.15 | skibur | I'm compiling Ktorrent |
| 22:55.16 | skibur | :P |
| 22:56.00 | yabbas | timelyx, specified the icon name in the .desktop file. Now where to put the .png? |
| 22:56.21 | yabbas | or "doesn't it work like that?" |
| 23:02.50 | skibur | I feel like hacking code :( |
| 23:02.57 | skibur | not sure what |
| 23:05.13 | penguinbait | yabbas |
| 23:05.17 | penguinbait | ? |
| 23:05.25 | yabbas | ello mate :) |
| 23:05.30 | yabbas | all compiled and working |
| 23:05.38 | penguinbait | sweet |
| 23:05.39 | yabbas | just packaging it up |
| 23:05.46 | yabbas | and learning as I go! |
| 23:05.54 | penguinbait | please send me a link when its together |
| 23:06.05 | penguinbait | kids open thier wii in the morning |
| 23:06.09 | yabbas | will do - 1 question - .desktop icons. Where do they go? |
| 23:06.44 | penguinbait | desktop icons in KDE, or menu icons in maemo? |
| 23:06.50 | yabbas | in maemo |
| 23:07.06 | penguinbait | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.21 | penguinbait | might be /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 23:07.39 | yabbas | the pngs go there? :o |
| 23:07.59 | penguinbait | in the desktop file it defines the icon |
| 23:08.10 | penguinbait | I think you can just put in full path to icon |
| 23:08.14 | yabbas | aye done that - or at least I think I have. But they don't show up :-/ |
| 23:08.41 | yabbas | fullpath/icon.png or without the extension? |
| 23:08.52 | penguinbait | I had same problem in 2008, but not prior |
| 23:09.07 | penguinbait | I am wondering if it now needs to be certain format or size |
| 23:09.15 | yabbas | that's what I'm wondering |
| 23:09.43 | penguinbait | grab a maemo icon and make your same size and format |
| 23:10.38 | yabbas | thought I did - converted to .png 26x26 which seems to be the suggestion for application setup |
| 23:10.49 | yabbas | with transparent backdrop |
| 23:11.30 | penguinbait | I used to just point it at any old image and it would scale |
| 23:11.50 | penguinbait | something must have changed |
| 23:12.36 | penguinbait | so yabbas is that going in the repos, or what? |
| 23:12.56 | yabbas | dunno yet :D lemme finish it off, lol |
| 23:13.09 | yabbas | it works though - well the gui does. Still need to test wminput |
| 23:13.55 | penguinbait | I am puttin a website together to host some projects, I would love to mirror your work when its complete |
| 23:14.03 | yabbas | it's yours :) |
| 23:14.24 | penguinbait | building it from scratch, yes just bought a new domain |
| 23:14.34 | yabbas | whacha got? |
| 23:15.23 | penguinbait | still working on that, but basically a site of projects like KDE cdrom drivers whatever, its becomming a pain to manage in the forum |
| 23:15.41 | penguinbait | Its also going to be directed at tablets, not PC's |
| 23:15.57 | penguinbait | tablet friendly website |
| 23:16.28 | yabbas | tablet luvvin <3 |
| 23:16.38 | yabbas | what's the domain? :) |
| 23:17.10 | penguinbait | join #pb |
| 23:24.13 | pupnik | n770 shown useful to computer hating dad on christmas: radio was pickung up the Bach christmas-mass poorly, so n770 was used to stream it from the radio station with improved quality. (somewhat) \o/ |
| 23:25.45 | yabbas | pupnik, score 1 to tablet, 0 to the radio |
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| 23:28.36 | pupnik | finding the stream was annoyingly difficult though. realllly dislike these sites that stream via .wma and javascript applet |
| 23:30.29 | pupnik | penguinbait has my vote for top ten people doin cool stuff right now :) |
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| 23:31.34 | josch | is this channel right for n770 hacking or is here only maemo app discussion? |
| 23:32.39 | pupnik | any tablet discussino |
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| 23:40.42 | josch | so did anyone ever try to run anything else than the nokia OS on the device? |
| 23:41.32 | josch | are there any documents explaining the boot process? as I understand is it there is no bootmanager but a script that redirects a already booted kernel to a proper rootfs |
| 23:46.20 | penguinbait | thanks pupnik :) |
| 23:49.49 | kbsingh | josch: would be interesting to see the wiki pages you come up with :D |
| 23:51.17 | kbsingh | i guess montavista would be an interesting target to get going |
| 23:53.36 | yabbas | has bochs been compiled on the N800? |
| 23:53.54 | yabbas | I'd love to see it boot Win95 in 45 minutes :D |
| 23:55.50 | pupnik | i didn't get bochs running |
| 23:56.09 | kbsingh | how about a virtualbox port :D |
| 23:56.11 | kbsingh | or xen even |
| 23:57.04 | yabbas | pupnik, any reason? have you tried again |
| 23:57.19 | pupnik | If we could get a few hundred people donating to a dosbox dynarec, we could get one in 2008 |
| 23:57.51 | pupnik | you can emulate about a 12-16mhz 80286 on n800 right now |
| 23:58.52 | pupnik | i hope some smart ppl will do some dosbox optimizing for ARM in 2008 |
| 23:59.02 | kbsingh | is there a problem waiting to be solved here ? |
| 23:59.13 | kbsingh | or is the effort better spent on porting the app that works now on x86 to arm |
| 23:59.38 | pupnik | yes, dosbox has a cpu emulator framework that can handle just-in-time / dynamic recompilation of x86 to AMR |
| 23:59.41 | pupnik | AMR |
| 23:59.44 | pupnik | ARM |