| 00:00.01 | cbx33 | i think my blog was linked from a bot kb here |
| 00:00.04 | timeless | what do you mean dsp? |
| 00:00.14 | lardman|home | the other curious thing is that although I shouldn't need the & in there, I need to put it in |
| 00:00.17 | cbx33 | if anyone wants to update it give me a shout |
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| 00:00.20 | timeless | cbx33: "infobot" is "the last bot standing" |
| 00:00.21 | lardman|home | timeless: Ti C55 DSP |
| 00:00.38 | cbx33 | timeless, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 |
| 00:01.07 | timeless | cbx33: i don't own the bot, if you can figure out how to operate it, ... i suppose you're the channel's guest :) |
| 00:01.33 | dragorn | if crc_lookup is an array, then crc_lookup is a pointer to the first element, so foo[4] should be equivalent to *(foo + 4); |
| 00:01.43 | cbx33 | infobot |
| 00:01.48 | Vulc|NotHere | v |
| 00:01.52 | dragorn | (ogg_uint32_t)*(&crc_lookup + temp_index) is just... weird badness. :P |
| 00:01.55 | timeless | lardman: are you using make or gcc directly? |
| 00:02.05 | timeless | in gecko, i'd use make foo.i |
| 00:02.05 | nomis | dragorn: which in turn is equivalent to *(4 + foo) and hence is the same as 4[foo] :) |
| 00:02.26 | dragorn | nomis: but we proved a while ago with whatever weirdass compiler he's using for the DSP, no, it's not :P |
| 00:02.48 | dragorn | nomis: at least, last week, his compiler threw bounds errors on multi-page maps for array[foo] but not *(array + foo) |
| 00:02.49 | timeless | lardman: try something like: |
| 00:02.56 | timeless | gcc -E -o foo.i foopy.c |
| 00:03.03 | dragorn | timeless: it's not gcc, afaik |
| 00:03.12 | dragorn | which explains the very weird compiler behavior |
| 00:03.21 | timeless | what is it? |
| 00:03.27 | timeless | some ti compiler? |
| 00:03.33 | cbx33 | timeless, was just letting people know its there and updated ;) |
| 00:03.36 | nomis | dragorn: ok. I was just so amazed when I learned that 4[foo] thing some time ago, that I cannot stop talking about it ;) |
| 00:04.14 | dragorn | nomis: I'm confused by that and not entirely sure it would work, unless the compiler has explicit support for that linguistic structure. It might for some data types. |
| 00:04.18 | timeless | so, this is a "special" compiler? |
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| 00:04.35 | nomis | dragorn: I tried it in GCC and it not even triggers a warning. |
| 00:04.40 | dragorn | timeless: afaik, but I'm letting lardman answer since he's actually dealing with it, I jsut remember previous conversations. |
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| 00:04.55 | lardman_ | re |
| 00:04.57 | dragorn | nomis: it must have a language construct for it to inherit the 'foo' type |
| 00:05.00 | dragorn | lardman: This isn't gcc, is it? |
| 00:05.08 | lardman_ | no, it's a Ti compiler |
| 00:05.22 | timeless | lardman: look for something equivalent to -E |
| 00:05.40 | nomis | dragorn: no, not really. It really boils down to the *(4 + foo), which is the usual (commutative) pointer arithmetics inside the parentheses. |
| 00:05.43 | timeless | -E is basically "preprocess, and dump the resulting stuff, but don't compile |
| 00:05.54 | dragorn | nomis: since the subscript size is determined by the array type, it's got to somehow figure out the right additive at compile time |
| 00:06.19 | nomis | dragorn: well one argument has to boil down to some integer, otherwise pointer arithmetics won't work. |
| 00:06.20 | dragorn | nomis: ah, yes. I see, I was being stupid about my pointer addition |
| 00:06.49 | dragorn | nomis: I believe technically foo[4] expands to *(foo + (sizeof(foo) * 4)) |
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| 00:07.15 | lardman_ | If I declare crc_lookup[256], I can access crc_lookup[0] (i.e. explicit constant 0), but if the index is a variable I need to do *(&crc_lookup + some_var) |
| 00:07.18 | dragorn | nomis: vs. *(foo + 4) which is whatever the native pointer type is (uint32 probably) and 4 bytes |
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| 00:07.42 | lardman_ | I also have to do *(&crc_lookup + some_var) rather than the expected *(crc_lookup + some_var) |
| 00:07.44 | dragorn | lardman: that seems very broken, since you're dereferencing the address of a pointer plus a number |
| 00:08.00 | nomis | dragorn: right, pointer arithmetics takes the size of the type the pointer points to into account. |
| 00:08.24 | lardman_ | dragorn: the compiler should accept both &crc_lookup and crc_lookup as pointers though |
| 00:08.31 | lardman_ | addresses even |
| 00:08.32 | nomis | so if you have uint8 foo[5]; foo + 3 will point to the fourth array element. |
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| 00:08.39 | timeless | you really shouldn't use x for x=2**y as an example number |
| 00:08.49 | timeless | it can easily lead to confusion |
| 00:09.02 | dragorn | nomis: yeah. I'm confusing myself at this time. :) |
| 00:09.20 | dragorn | s/time/point/ |
| 00:09.26 | dragorn | f'ing infobot. |
| 00:09.42 | timeless | dragorn: leave off the trailing / |
| 00:09.45 | dragorn | Wonder if we can feed it a nice long regex and make it go away for a while :P |
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| 00:10.05 | timeless | infobot will ignore you, the humans who speak regexp will accept it |
| 00:10.19 | dragorn | lardman: where is crc_lookup defined |
| 00:10.44 | MrZaius | sorry if this is borderline off topic, but I know there's a dozen or more people in the room that could answer this without thinking: does the n800 ship with two styluses like the n770 did, or should I buy spares along with the device? |
| 00:11.13 | tontsa | n810 shipped atleast with two |
| 00:11.28 | nomis | s/(((.*)*)*)*n$/buh/ |
| 00:11.48 | lardman_ | dragorn: in the same file |
| 00:11.59 | nomis | either it did work or infobot did not understand it :) |
| 00:12.02 | lardman_ | as a global const |
| 00:12.10 | timeless | afaik, the 770,n800 and n810 all ship w/ 2 |
| 00:12.32 | timeless | one in the device and one in the plastic packaging |
| 00:12.39 | nomis | is infobot still allive? |
| 00:12.40 | MrZaius | sweet |
| 00:12.42 | MrZaius | thanks timel |
| 00:12.43 | nomis | s/allive/alive/ |
| 00:12.46 | timeless | but that's ok, you'll lose both :) |
| 00:12.47 | MrZaius | timeless, rather |
| 00:12.49 | nomis | Mhpf. |
| 00:13.01 | timeless | mrzaius: i respond to both timely and timeless |
| 00:13.04 | MrZaius | kept my n770 stylus for the 6 months it took to break the headphone jack |
| 00:13.10 | timeless | although i tend to insult irc clients that get stuck between :) |
| 00:13.43 | lardman_ | hmm, well at least the checksum code actually works now and returns something, shame it's not what the ogg file thinks it should be :) |
| 00:13.45 | timeless | how'd you break the headphone jack? |
| 00:13.49 | MrZaius | http://www.styluscentral.com/fisbulspacpe.html oooooh..... just in case, should buy that |
| 00:14.08 | MrZaius | timeless: wrapping the headphone chord a little to tight around the device, i'd imagine |
| 00:14.19 | MrZaius | wiggled a little and now is just mono, unless you hold it just right |
| 00:14.29 | MrZaius | easy to fix if you know how to use a soldering iron, I'm told |
| 00:14.32 | MrZaius | but I don't, so I didn't |
| 00:14.36 | MrZaius | nice excuse for an upgrade |
| 00:15.07 | timeless | mrzaius: did you at least inform nokia cares? |
| 00:15.13 | timeless | (or was it nokia care?) |
| 00:15.26 | MrZaius | timeless: nah |
| 00:15.33 | MrZaius | picked up a dedicated music player instead |
| 00:15.37 | timeless | mrzaius: afaik they keep records about such things, so knowing that it happens is feedback to the hardware designers |
| 00:15.41 | timeless | which is appreciated |
| 00:15.56 | MrZaius | the OS2007 media player took too long to generate playlists off a 2gb rs-mmc card |
| 00:16.00 | MrZaius | and it ate up batteries |
| 00:16.04 | lardman_ | bed time, see you all on the morrow |
| 00:16.22 | timeless | mrzaius: think of all the future users! :) |
| 00:16.27 | MrZaius | but the next owner very well might |
| 00:16.46 | MrZaius | i'll pass along your concern - bet he'll get it fixed |
| 00:17.06 | MrZaius | I just couldn't be without a pda that long, so ordered the n800 which arrives tomorrow |
| 00:17.10 | MrZaius | and selling the n770 tonight |
| 00:17.27 | MrZaius | my wife's an author, and she'd kill me in my sleep if I couldn't read ebooks |
| 00:17.48 | MrZaius | and they don't look right on my bigger displays |
| 00:18.24 | MrZaius | my zaurus and n770 did just fine |
| 00:18.29 | timeless | i've used an eink (?), 770,n800,n810,n81, windows w/ msreader |
| 00:18.34 | MrZaius | the trick is to do bright green text on a black background |
| 00:18.38 | MrZaius | extremely high contrast |
| 00:18.41 | MrZaius | very easy on the eyes |
| 00:18.43 | MrZaius | and in the dark |
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| 00:19.00 | timeless | you mean like the apple ii c/e? :) |
| 00:19.16 | MrZaius | never gotten my hands on eInk, although I would likely have purchased the amazon one if it hadn't been so badly drm encumbered |
| 00:19.17 | MrZaius | yup |
| 00:19.19 | MrZaius | precisely |
| 00:19.32 | MrZaius | give it a shot - you might be surprised how well it works |
| 00:19.50 | MrZaius | in the dark I can set the backlight to the lowest setting I can use w/o touching text files |
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| 00:19.54 | MrZaius | and it's still crystal clear |
| 00:20.12 | MrZaius | and the battery lasts a good long while like that, as you'd imagine |
| 00:20.15 | rhykin | how is the os2008 beta on n800? |
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| 00:22.07 | timeless | i never found enough ebook content to use on my internet tablets |
| 00:22.14 | timeless | i found more content for my n81 |
| 00:22.29 | timeless | (mobireader?) |
| 00:23.03 | timeless | anyway, nighttime |
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| 01:08.17 | n800user | Does anyone else have osso-media-server taking ~78 megs of ram? |
| 01:08.30 | doc|work | o.O |
| 01:09.06 | n800user | Yeah, pretty insane memory hog... |
| 01:10.41 | n800user | Is there a way to reduce the memory consumption that it takes? I noticed os2008 seems to be very bloated. |
| 01:12.38 | Jiten | sounds like it leaks or then that's mostly virtual memory consumption. |
| 01:13.39 | n800user | This is directly after starting up. |
| 01:14.27 | n800user | All I've done is to start the tablet, open up xterm, then run top. |
| 01:21.13 | Jiten | what does it show for used, free, cached and buffers? |
| 01:25.57 | n800user | Mem: 121788K used, 5040k free, 0K shrd, 23044K buff, 37788K cached |
| 01:28.15 | n800user | Maybe I'll just wait for the official firmware, but everyone has mentioned the speed increase (which I did notice) but it also feels like there's too much stuff loaded into memory |
| 01:28.17 | zerojay | Don't worry about memory. |
| 01:28.46 | zerojay | Besides, if less memory is used, it just means it's wasted anyways. |
| 01:29.19 | Jiten | I wouldn't call it wasted. Linux kernel tends to make pretty good use of it. |
| 01:29.28 | n800user | I'm just concerned that the tablet loads so much just for startup. Maybe it's unwarrented but I'm curious to why is uses so much |
| 01:30.00 | Jiten | top isn't really a reliable measure of the real memory usage. |
| 01:30.12 | n800user | I have all the applets disabled, and am not running anything besides top within xterm |
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| 01:32.03 | n800user | Jiten, is there another way to measure performance? |
| 01:32.04 | Jiten | from those values, it's quite clear that the system is only using around 61 megabytes of memory. |
| 01:33.05 | n800user | Since it should throw out the memory from buff and cached when needed? |
| 01:33.21 | smackpotato | it uses as much as possible for caches |
| 01:36.27 | Jiten | however, you really don't want the caches to drop to near 0. It causes very noticeable slowdown of the system. |
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| 03:50.38 | lopz | bye |
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| 03:52.18 | ScisserFeind | hello |
| 03:52.24 | ScisserFeind | is any one active here? |
| 03:52.35 | skibur | nope |
| 03:52.39 | ScisserFeind | shame |
| 03:52.54 | skibur | everybody asleep |
| 03:52.59 | ScisserFeind | cuz I was hoping maybe someone could helpme with something |
| 03:53.06 | ScisserFeind | perhaps? |
| 03:54.03 | blast007 | ScisserFeind: usually it's just best to ask a question and wait for a response |
| 03:54.10 | ScisserFeind | thanks |
| 03:54.36 | skibur | that is a response, try again |
| 03:54.36 | ScisserFeind | Does anyone know of anyway of using the Nokia 770 as a Midi Controller? |
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| 03:54.50 | ScisserFeind | looks like a question to me |
| 03:54.57 | ScisserFeind | =) |
| 03:57.29 | skibur | hum... don't |
| 03:59.46 | ScisserFeind | thats not very helpful |
| 04:01.49 | skibur | know |
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| 04:02.13 | skibur | sorry on my N800 pidgin |
| 04:02.29 | realcomix | Me too |
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| 04:03.44 | lle2 | anybody willing to try these: http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo |
| 04:03.50 | ScisserFeind | im just trying to see if I can use it to send midi through usb at the moment |
| 04:04.21 | halley | It's not a full USB, it's a special kind of USB. |
| 04:04.31 | skibur | what is the purpose of a midi controller? |
| 04:04.37 | halley | Well, not sure about the 770 honestly. |
| 04:04.52 | lle2 | it can do host |
| 04:05.00 | lle2 | but can't provide power |
| 04:05.35 | ScisserFeind | i dont need it, I want to use it to manipulate params on a softsynth |
| 04:06.00 | halley | So you'd want to do one of those USB->MIDI dongles at the minimum, then do whatever other midi apps do with the usb. |
| 04:07.00 | ScisserFeind | well, ive got the usb cable from n770 to computer |
| 04:07.13 | ScisserFeind | i just need to see if I can use it to send the data i want |
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| 04:08.09 | halley | lle2, would love to see if osx could run it without having to use some parallels hack. |
| 04:08.45 | lle2 | I need some serious help with dylibs on osx |
| 04:09.41 | lle2 | as in, how are they _really_ linked, not this "use libtool" answer that I keep running into |
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| 04:51.19 | ScisserFeind | does anyone have any experience with PD or PDa? |
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| 06:12.02 | sarower | hello |
| 06:12.11 | pupnik_ | hi |
| 06:12.53 | sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..? |
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| 06:13.30 | sarower | I mean in which directory this information is?? |
| 06:13.35 | sarower | is there anybody? |
| 06:13.40 | sarower | help me? |
| 06:14.15 | sarower | Pupnik: I think you are expert... so please say something! |
| 06:14.24 | pupnik | no idea |
| 06:14.40 | sarower | any body please......!!! |
| 06:14.43 | pupnik | but you can use grep to find text on a filesystem |
| 06:15.02 | sarower | i need to find it in N800 device |
| 06:15.32 | sarower | what the command could be..? |
| 06:15.41 | sarower | I use A X-terminal |
| 06:15.43 | pupnik | in xterm |
| 06:15.47 | pupnik | cd /home |
| 06:15.57 | pupnik | grep -ri $string user |
| 06:16.04 | pupnik | will search subtree of user for $string |
| 06:16.28 | pupnik | so substitute some text from chat, or a phone number for $string |
| 06:16.30 | pupnik | that might work |
| 06:16.51 | sarower | Thanx... |
| 06:16.54 | sarower | let me try |
| 06:18.05 | pupnik | if it is stored in some non-ascii binary format, grep will not find it of course |
| 06:18.16 | sarower | hmmm |
| 06:18.16 | pupnik | s/binary// |
| 06:18.19 | sarower | right |
| 06:18.38 | pupnik | actually maybe it works with unicode now? i am behind the times |
| 06:19.00 | sarower | but grep is not working at all....... |
| 06:19.18 | sarower | in this device there is no user |
| 06:19.30 | pupnik | cd /home |
| 06:19.30 | pupnik | ls |
| 06:19.36 | pupnik | there should be a /home/user no? |
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| 06:20.11 | sarower | yah there is /home/user |
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| 06:23.03 | sarower | pupnik: there is a directory /home/user... then/ |
| 06:23.07 | sarower | ? |
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| 06:25.53 | jga23 | is there a .bashrc file for aliases for os2008? |
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| 06:27.54 | sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..? |
| 06:28.11 | sarower | any body please......!!! |
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| 06:29.03 | pupnik | sarower: the grep command can take a while to finish. what happened when you tried it? |
| 06:30.33 | sarower | Usage:grep [-rihHnqvs,,,,] PATTERN [FILES......] |
| 06:31.13 | sarower | then stopping after it. |
| 06:31.13 | |R | here it is: /home/user/.osso/imlogger |
| 06:31.38 | |R | and up one level for other types of log (rtcom (sip)) etc... |
| 06:32.30 | sarower | but the device is not showing these.. (. files and folders) |
| 06:32.46 | sarower | it is only showing /home/user |
| 06:33.17 | |R | where? |
| 06:33.54 | sarower | ther is MyDocs and apps folder only under /home/user |
| 06:34.01 | sarower | in N800 device |
| 06:34.33 | |R | how do you make that list show up? |
| 06:35.37 | sarower | In xter I just write ls |
| 06:35.39 | sarower | there |
| 06:35.55 | sarower | and it shows Mydocs and apps folder |
| 06:36.10 | |R | ls doesn't show up files starting with . unless you use the -a flag |
| 06:36.28 | sarower | ok then i must use ls -a |
| 06:36.51 | sarower | ok it is showing... |
| 06:36.55 | |R | why do you care about the logs anyway? lock your device :) |
| 06:36.58 | sarower | is .Osso a directory |
| 06:37.22 | sarower | I need to retrive the history |
| 06:37.42 | sarower | I am planning to develop an application for N800 device |
| 06:37.59 | sarower | is not it possible to retrieve the information any way..? |
| 06:38.36 | |R | better learn some shell skills first :) |
| 06:39.14 | sarower | why...? |
| 06:39.27 | sarower | for command..? |
| 06:39.46 | |R | well if you plan on developing for the n800, i'm guessing your going to need to play around the Maemo SDK |
| 06:39.52 | |R | which runs on linux :) |
| 06:40.36 | sarower | yah...... |
| 06:40.39 | sarower | right....... |
| 06:40.44 | sarower | you are...... |
| 06:42.04 | sarower | there is no /home/user/.osso/imlogger |
| 06:42.14 | sarower | pupnik. |
| 06:42.24 | pupnik | hmm |
| 06:42.57 | pupnik | i only have 770 |
| 06:43.07 | |R | that example was n800 with OS2008 beta |
| 06:43.40 | sarower | hmm...... |
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| 06:43.57 | sarower | WHich type of file imlogger is? |
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| 06:44.24 | |R | in my path? a folder |
| 06:44.41 | pupnik | ahh sorry, the maemo grep does not support the -r (recursive) flag |
| 06:44.50 | |R | pupnik it does |
| 06:45.14 | |R | at least in 2008 beta :) |
| 06:45.15 | pupnik | ok, on os2006 busybox it doesn't |
| 06:45.27 | pupnik | sorry for imprecise language |
| 06:45.30 | |R | but i think that it did in 2007 |
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| 07:43.56 | steri | graeh, anyway know good mediaplayer for os2008? imho kagu and ukmp both suck |
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| 07:49.16 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 07:49.19 | zerojay | Media Player. |
| 07:54.30 | steri | this might sound stupid but how I can add one directory which has lots of subdirectories to playlist? |
| 07:58.18 | pupnik | steri: i don't know, but that's how i would like to add files |
| 07:58.36 | pupnik | Maybe when xmms is finished for the tablets :) |
| 07:58.51 | steri | I only found a add file and with 1.5gig mp3's thats insane thing to do |
| 07:59.17 | pupnik | steri: with what program? |
| 07:59.24 | steri | media player |
| 07:59.52 | pupnik | the popular players are kagu, ukmp and canola |
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| 08:00.19 | pupnik | personally i prefer a more bare-bones app, that will load from directory trees and get out of the way |
| 08:01.09 | pupnik | no album covers, giant fonts and buttons, no online database search, no filesystem crawler |
| 08:01.12 | steri | I know, and I just told at imho kagu and ukmp suck :P canola2 is not released yet. maybe I just install older canola now and wait a week(?) until they get that 2.nd version out |
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| 08:01.55 | pupnik | don't say they 'suck'. the creators put a lot of work and love into them. :) |
| 08:01.56 | steri | that's the same I want, just some basic app which works on the background. knows how to play randomly etc just basic functions |
| 08:02.02 | pupnik | yep |
| 08:02.27 | pupnik | i haven't found that app yet, but it will come eventually |
| 08:02.35 | steri | pupnik: that's way I said imho :P they look nice etc but they are something different what I luike |
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| 08:02.45 | steri | like |
| 08:03.00 | pupnik | ok yes |
| 08:03.31 | pupnik | i complained about this on the forums but i offended trev too much :) |
| 08:03.58 | pupnik | I also prefer a native C/C++ app for me, not interpreted language |
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| 08:21.34 | sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..?. |
| 08:21.38 | sarower | any body please......!!! |
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| 08:23.42 | jjo__ | sarower: I'm assuming you checked the obvious place (hidden directories in home directory)? |
| 08:25.42 | sarower | jjo: right .... |
| 08:25.54 | sarower | but which directory it may be..? |
| 08:27.05 | steri | gladly there is commandline mplayer <3 mplayer -shuffle /path/mp3/*/*/* |
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| 08:29.33 | wplayya | hi |
| 08:30.15 | wplayya | where can i set the color of normal text in a theme_ |
| 08:31.40 | sarower | hi.. jjo!! |
| 08:31.45 | sarower | u there? |
| 08:31.52 | sarower | n any idea..? |
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| 08:40.53 | pupnik | themes are in /usr/share/themes i think |
| 08:41.03 | pupnik | there is a 'thememaker' application that can assist |
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| 08:45.54 | sarower | jjo u there? |
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| 08:48.49 | jjo__ | oh, yes |
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| 08:49.31 | jjo__ | actually I have no idea about the name of the directory it might be but the name is usually related to the program |
| 08:50.14 | jjo__ | there's no guarantee about that thou ;) |
| 08:55.05 | sarower | hmm..... |
| 08:57.34 | jjo__ | actually it doesn't even seem to save the chat logs unless you save them explicitly |
| 09:01.38 | sarower | is not there any information saved by the app itsekf..? |
| 09:02.23 | sarower | like....contact info, chating partner, etc....... |
| 09:02.56 | sarower | if i get the specific directory then it would be helpful to me |
| 09:03.17 | sarower | to get the idea clearly...... |
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| 09:16.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:28.12 | rothiel | Hello World :) |
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| 09:47.32 | sarower | hello........ |
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| 09:47.57 | sarower | Where the chat application and internet call application is installed in N800? |
| 09:48.05 | sarower | anybody please..? |
| 09:48.23 | sarower | in which directory..? |
| 09:48.32 | sarower | any body can help...? |
| 09:48.46 | jeddy3 | sarower, slow down... |
| 09:48.56 | sarower | sure....... |
| 09:49.07 | sarower | can you please..! |
| 09:49.16 | jeddy3 | sarower, in wich directory on filesystem, or in menubar= |
| 09:49.17 | jeddy3 | ? |
| 09:49.25 | sarower | filesystemm,,! |
| 09:49.28 | sarower | jeddy |
| 09:49.44 | jeddy3 | sarower, hang on |
| 09:50.19 | sarower | I need to find the information that it stores during chat or in general.. |
| 09:51.27 | jeddy3 | oh, information |
| 09:51.42 | jeddy3 | information place != application place |
| 09:51.57 | sarower | i need to know about both..! |
| 09:52.20 | sarower | Information place is important... |
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| 09:52.52 | sarower | I need to see the history or other information related to chat and internet call |
| 09:52.56 | sarower | jeddy! |
| 09:53.36 | jeddy3 | contactinformation is in .osso-abook anyway |
| 09:54.22 | sarower | yah... i got it |
| 09:54.40 | sarower | but history log....! |
| 09:55.00 | jeddy3 | maybe in db/adressbook.db |
| 09:55.15 | sarower | yah the addressbook...! |
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| 09:55.54 | sarower | that means the contacts are stored in the /db/addressbook.db |
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| 09:56.30 | jeddy3 | i have no idea :) |
| 09:56.35 | sarower | but i need to know where the history is saved when chatting.! |
| 09:57.07 | sarower | now can you please tell where the application is installed?? |
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| 09:57.48 | sarower | jeddy..! |
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| 10:02.15 | jeddy3 | sarower, first of all: doesn't hurt to be polite, second: I already told you, where application is installed have nothing to do with where it store it's information |
| 10:02.40 | jeddy3 | sarower, have you checked .osso-abook/db/adressbook.db as suggested? |
| 10:04.09 | sarower | yah......man! |
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| 10:18.26 | carbonfreeze | so, would this be the place to discuss issues re: n810? |
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| 10:20.28 | Fang64 | yup and the N800/N770 |
| 10:20.29 | vegai | for now, it's the place to growl at americans for getting their n810 earlier than everyone else |
| 10:20.32 | Fang64 | lol |
| 10:20.32 | vegai | :P |
| 10:20.36 | Fang64 | or that |
| 10:20.53 | carbonfreeze | wait, its not MY fault. I had to import my last pda (zaurus c3000) |
| 10:22.02 | carbonfreeze | having a couple of odd issues; seems the OS likes to ignore settings in the /etc/fstab file.. can't change mount points (device ignores settings upon OS startup) |
| 10:22.57 | carbonfreeze | ex: the internal sd is mounted to /media/mmc2; but I want to use it as /home. No go, each time device is power cycled, the internal mmc is mounted at /media/mmc2 again |
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| 10:34.49 | Rocketman | Does anyone know how to suppress the auto-dim function on the n810? |
| 10:35.11 | Rocketman | It is constantly activating and it is driving me nuts |
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| 10:36.13 | Rocketman | they just HAD to put the light sensor right where your finger naturally wants to cradle the device |
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| 10:41.41 | Jaffa | Rocketman: finally, something which is better for the left-handers :) |
| 10:43.23 | Rocketman | I am finding the n810 to be terribly unergonomic |
| 10:43.44 | Palintheus | Jaffa: +1 |
| 10:43.46 | carbonfreeze | Rocketman: +1 |
| 10:44.08 | tontsa | well i don't like the fact that numbers are behind Fn-button. and there's no Fn-button on right side |
| 10:44.19 | tontsa | so numbers 1-4 you need to use very tricky combo |
| 10:44.21 | carbonfreeze | no pipe key on keybord, either |
| 10:44.48 | Rocketman | They should have implemented tap and hold to trigger second functions of keys |
| 10:45.41 | Rocketman | it is an extremely common thing on Win CE devices |
| 10:45.50 | carbonfreeze | it would not have bothered me if the device was .5cm taller for another row of keys on kb |
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| 10:47.23 | Rocketman | everything about the button design just feels wrong to me, except they finally fixed the top buttons (fullscreen, +, -, etc.) |
| 10:48.23 | Fang64 | seems like nokia didn't completely think out the device |
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| 10:49.59 | Rocketman | It seems like after two revisions they should have really been at a very refined stage |
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| 10:50.28 | Rocketman | the n810 is a real mixed bag imo |
| 10:50.41 | Rocketman | excellent build quality |
| 10:50.48 | Rocketman | and more pocketable |
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| 10:51.29 | carbonfreeze | it would be nice to be able to run full x apps without porting |
| 10:51.53 | Rocketman | but the switch to mini-sd, crappy ergonomics and sub-par gps have me yearning for my n800 again |
| 10:52.09 | Rocketman | kinda feel the same way about Vista |
| 10:52.16 | Rocketman | such a mixed bag |
| 10:52.53 | Rocketman | yeah, carbonfreeze, hildon is the worst thing about maemo |
| 10:53.08 | Rocketman | would see tons more apps without it |
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| 10:53.32 | carbonfreeze | doing stuff in the current version of gnumeric is driving me nuts |
| 10:53.48 | carbonfreeze | tap the cell you want to edit, tap the edit field.. etc |
| 10:54.18 | carbonfreeze | should have some sort of fallback mode for normal x apps, just run them in a smaller window or somesuch |
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| 10:54.51 | carbonfreeze | i mean, its like 800xsomething res, should be able to handle it. my other pda was 640x480 and i could run GIMP on it with little trouble |
| 10:57.40 | Rocketman | no arguments here |
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| 11:00.12 | carbonfreeze | they should have taken something like the gpe pim apps (contact,calendar,todo,timesheet) and integrated it with the other apps (mail/etc). There should also be the ability to change the default application used for a task (chat/mail/rss/browser), or made the communicate menu customizable |
| 11:00.14 | sp3000 | Rocketman: hm? fn fn locks fn |
| 11:00.56 | sp3000 | hold would seem ...slow |
| 11:01.45 | sp3000 | I suppose that'd work, too |
| 11:01.48 | Rocketman | doing it that way is many keypresses vs just a few via tap and hold |
| 11:01.51 | carbonfreeze | i cant believe they shipped a linux pda, without a pipe character on the keyboard. its such a pain to work in bash without it |
| 11:02.21 | sp3000 | you can put it in the onscreen row, right? |
| 11:02.34 | sp3000 | I mean you need tab all the time too, anyway :) |
| 11:03.10 | carbonfreeze | yeah, but i forgot the alias for it, and im too lazy to look it up. much easier to complain about faulty keyboard design |
| 11:07.21 | Rocketman | I've played with 4 different slider keyboard devices in the last few years and this is imo the worst of the lot |
| 11:08.24 | carbonfreeze | I liked the keyboard on my spitz the most of any pda ive used, nice button spacing and reachable. |
| 11:09.11 | Rocketman | spitz? |
| 11:09.23 | carbonfreeze | sl-c3000 |
| 11:11.06 | Rocketman | ah, almost ordered one from dynamism |
| 11:11.25 | carbonfreeze | yeah i picked one up as soon as they had them. great pda. |
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| 11:11.49 | carbonfreeze | got a 56k modem, wlan & 100 ether CF cards with it. great for travel. |
| 11:11.59 | Rocketman | but kept working with my Jornada 728 and Netbook Pro for another year or so |
| 11:12.09 | carbonfreeze | but, the battery was getting old, and i saw the n810 announced, and decided to pick it up |
| 11:12.20 | carbonfreeze | spitz battery = $80+shipping |
| 11:12.21 | Rocketman | until getting my 770 w bluetooth keyboard |
| 11:13.59 | Rocketman | I'm almost ready to jump ship for one of the ultra small windows devices |
| 11:14.20 | carbonfreeze | eh, only if it gets 6hrs+ battery & can run linux |
| 11:14.35 | carbonfreeze | what bothers me about the n810 is no suspend to ram |
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| 11:15.01 | carbonfreeze | its always on, would be nice to suspend for more battery life. Unless the CPU/logic is so effecient that its the same |
| 11:16.23 | Rocketman | like an OQO or Fujitsu U810 |
| 11:16.47 | carbonfreeze | i mean, its not a cell phone. My last pda could resume from suspend in like 0.3 seconds, why not allow it on this for great battery life |
| 11:23.21 | Rocketman | I liked the U810 a lot, except for it's screen |
| 11:23.41 | Rocketman | too glossy |
| 11:24.40 | Rocketman | I am a big fan of the HPC form factor of the old school win ce devices and the psions |
| 11:24.52 | Rocketman | owned a lot over the years |
| 11:25.10 | Rocketman | as well as ultra-compact full windows devices |
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| 11:25.19 | Rocketman | owned two librettos |
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| 11:32.49 | gm | is there a way to not mount the SD cards as noexec on the n800 under os2008? |
| 11:35.05 | carbonfreeze | gm: seems like os2008 ignores fstab changes on boot.. I was having issues changing mount points, and the two may be related. see bug#2575 |
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| 11:35.32 | gm | yeah |
| 11:35.33 | gm | thanks |
| 11:36.41 | gm | might just do a startup script to do "mount -o remount,exec /dev/mmc1" |
| 11:37.53 | carbonfreeze | gm: yeah, but it shouldn't ignore fstab. |
| 11:40.07 | gm | hmm, even after mounting it as as exec, it still won't run |
| 11:40.19 | gm | -sh: ./configure: Permission denied |
| 11:40.34 | gm | even after a chmod +x configure |
| 11:40.37 | carbonfreeze | hmm |
| 11:41.38 | carbonfreeze | permissions on files are ok? you can write? |
| 11:41.44 | gm | yeah |
| 11:41.51 | gm | it's just a dir on the memory card |
| 11:41.51 | carbonfreeze | maybe your user doesnt have permission to write to the dir? |
| 11:42.01 | gm | i extracted it from the tarball |
| 11:42.20 | gm | i do have write permissions |
| 11:42.53 | tontsa | anyone happen to have vncviewer packaged for chinook? |
| 11:43.22 | Rocketman | there is one up at garage, tontsa |
| 11:43.34 | gm | tontsa: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1948 |
| 11:44.06 | tontsa | i have the garage repo in application manager, odd that it doesn't find it |
| 11:45.01 | carbonfreeze | app manager for these devices drives me nutes. should be a setting to show all packages, not some red-pill repo |
| 11:46.17 | Rocketman | I think it is considered beta quality, tontsa, so they just have a .deb for it |
| 11:46.30 | Rocketman | works fine for me though |
| 11:46.46 | gm | hmmm, there is /usr/sbin/mmc-mount |
| 11:46.53 | gm | that has noexec in it |
| 11:47.37 | tontsa | i just hate this bluetooth+packet data. for some reason n810 just disconnects sometimes and doesn't realize it. then only way to get back is disable bluetooth and enable it again |
| 11:47.37 | gm | dmask? hmmm |
| 11:50.19 | gm | carbonfreeze: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount appears to override noexec |
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| 11:50.33 | gm | that might be why fstab is ignoring it |
| 11:50.41 | carbonfreeze | gm: ahh, lemmie take a look |
| 11:51.06 | gm | hmm, my cards won't mount |
| 11:51.55 | tontsa | gm, thanks. works surprisingly good |
| 11:52.22 | gm | or was that because i changed dmask |
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| 11:58.04 | gm | fmask 0133 might have something to do with it |
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| 12:00.38 | gm | ahh, there we go... ish |
| 12:01.10 | gm | wait, that failure was unrelated |
| 12:01.39 | gm | carbonfreeze: you will also need to change fmask in that file if you want to be able to exec |
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| 12:59.43 | Fang64 | I wondor why I'm having trouble with the ncurses-bin on the n800 and only a few had the same issues I wondor if this has anything to do with me jumping the gun and flashing up to OS2008 then back down to OS2007 |
| 13:00.11 | gm | shouldn't be - reflashing wipes everything |
| 13:00.27 | Fang64 | That's what I thought |
| 13:01.09 | Fang64 | I've been trying different ways to get the package to install correctly seems to be busybox and ncurses-bin not behaving |
| 13:02.13 | Fang64 | "/bin/usr/clear" is the the file ncurses-bin attempts to overwrite in one version of the package it fails and just doesn't install it, the maemo-hacker repo leaves a entry guess a bad package |
| 13:02.37 | Fang64 | the only problem I'm having is I've search the directory and only found busybox.clear |
| 13:02.44 | Fang64 | which i guess causes the issue |
| 13:03.05 | Fang64 | not really sure about the whole thing I'm just curious why the package is broken |
| 13:04.14 | Fang64 | tontsa recommended just installing it manually by extracting out the package which I'll probably end up doing at this rate |
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| 13:05.34 | fnordianslip | i installed some other ncurses packages and clear was installed in /usr/bin |
| 13:05.55 | Fang64 | uhm |
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| 13:06.05 | Fang64 | on OS2007? |
| 13:06.35 | fnordianslip | er, no. 2008. sorry, not paying attention. |
| 13:06.48 | tontsa | yeah the os2008 ncurses package works just fine |
| 13:06.59 | Fang64 | lol, it's fine I've been a bit confused why this isn't working right |
| 13:07.33 | tontsa | maybe the beta-2008 differs from the n810's 2008 |
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| 13:08.00 | Fang64 | well I didnt flash to the beta 2008 |
| 13:08.02 | Fang64 | that's the thing |
| 13:08.20 | Fang64 | I kind of jumped the gun and grabbed the N810 OS2008 and flashed mine to it |
| 13:08.54 | Fang64 | I got it installed and running then downgraded after looking at the repos and seeing a lack of applications |
| 13:09.56 | Fang64 | I was running 42-18 which is probably not supported I take it |
| 13:10.13 | halley | The N810 image is not going to work properly on an N800. |
| 13:10.22 | Fang64 | I know this |
| 13:10.36 | Fang64 | but I was dabbling around with it when i first got it |
| 13:11.09 | Fang64 | anyhow i don't imagine that causing the issue I'm having now |
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| 13:13.19 | Fang64 | back to the drawing board then |
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| 13:18.05 | Tak | morning pupnik |
| 13:18.27 | pupnik | hi |
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| 13:19.38 | Tak | any emu news? |
| 13:20.28 | dpb_ | emo news? |
| 13:20.48 | pupnik | no just offtopic stuff in my life |
| 13:21.07 | pupnik | death and taxes, literally |
| 13:21.12 | Tak | :-/ |
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| 13:22.38 | Rocketman | sorry to hear that pupnik |
| 13:23.13 | keesj | I am typing this on a "old" ibm thinkpad 560 with 40 mb ram(runnig puppy linux). it realy makes me wonder how much more I will use the keyboard enabled 810 as opposed to th n800 |
| 13:23.51 | keesj | anybody already running elinks/screen/ssh as main gui? |
| 13:24.04 | Rocketman | The problem is that it isn't a very good keyboard keesj |
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| 13:24.45 | Rocketman | I'm still bringing my BT keyboard around with me |
| 13:25.07 | keesj | Rocketman: am sorry to hear that! |
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| 13:25.39 | keesj | I was also thinking of an eeepc, it is getting hard to choose these days |
| 13:25.54 | Rocketman | I honestly might go back to my n800 |
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| 13:26.20 | keesj | GPS is not the killer attribute? |
| 13:26.24 | pupnik | how does the thumby keyboard suck? |
| 13:26.27 | wumpus | what's wrong with the n810, when just not using the keyboard? |
| 13:26.48 | Rocketman | The GPS is really bad, keesj |
| 13:27.02 | Rocketman | very sub-par performance |
| 13:27.14 | Rocketman | pupnik: |
| 13:27.38 | Rocketman | top row of keys too close to screen for easy typing |
| 13:27.46 | keesj | Well you don't really sound like a happy customer :p |
| 13:28.09 | Rocketman | keys themselves not raises/convex enough |
| 13:28.21 | Rocketman | missing several important keys |
| 13:28.36 | Rocketman | many others on second function |
| 13:29.05 | keesj | hmm, I don't use a bt keyboard becase I want to "internet" on the go (in bed or in front of th tv) |
| 13:29.12 | pupnik | all i see are a lot of gaming buttons :) |
| 13:29.13 | Rocketman | no press and hold for second function as is standard on almost all sliders |
| 13:29.17 | sp3000 | "on the go, in bed" |
| 13:29.35 | keesj | sorry on th move in bed |
| 13:29.51 | Rocketman | d-pad center button oversized and 4 way hard to press |
| 13:30.01 | pupnik | i hope you don't use the tablet 'on the move in bed' :) |
| 13:30.35 | Rocketman | with "up" button too close to screen edge as well |
| 13:30.38 | pupnik | yeah that dpad made me shed a tear or too |
| 13:30.51 | keesj | pupnik: no , poor video recording quality |
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| 13:31.11 | pupnik | lol |
| 13:31.33 | pupnik | well thoughtfix was typing real fast on it in his demo vid |
| 13:31.40 | Rocketman | All in all, it is an extremely poorly executed slider keyboard |
| 13:32.02 | pupnik | ah, i'll probably be a schlub who is happy with it based on nothing to compare it to |
| 13:33.12 | Rocketman | that combined with the sub-par gps, loss of full size sdhc cards, etc will probably drive me back to n800 once OS 2008 is released |
| 13:33.48 | Rocketman | Pupnik, I have tried out four sliders at length and this is worst of the bunch |
| 13:33.55 | Rocketman | terrible ergonomics |
| 13:34.00 | keesj | I must say that the last two projects I started where video driven.(gst-motion-control/and a video game) |
| 13:34.07 | Rocketman | someone needs to be fired |
| 13:34.38 | pupnik | well that's constructive negative feedback |
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| 13:35.10 | Rocketman | I grumble a lot, but I have specific bones to pick |
| 13:35.36 | Rocketman | :) |
| 13:35.43 | pupnik | so you'd have preferred maybe 1-2 millimeter more thickness to accomodate a thicker keyboard? |
| 13:36.36 | Rocketman | The screen needs to have slid up more, as the top row is extremely hard to press |
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| 13:36.53 | pupnik | yeah that seems pretty clear. wonder why that wasn't possible |
| 13:36.53 | sp3000 | or you could borrow my thumbs |
| 13:37.15 | Rocketman | they don't even need bigger keys necessarily, but the tops of them need to be more curved |
| 13:38.19 | Rocketman | I just don't think they paid enough attention to ergonomics in general |
| 13:38.56 | Rocketman | At least they fixed the full screen and +/- buttons |
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| 13:39.54 | Rocketman | The 800 was a step down from the 770 as an ebook reader because of the conjoined top keys |
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| 13:41.51 | pupnik | what slider keyboard did you like? |
| 13:42.00 | fysa | nokia has their priorities completely wrong. they have marketing design the product, and the people that actually use it get to put up with their decisions. |
| 13:43.12 | pupnik | if only marketing designed it, would it run linux? :) |
| 13:43.16 | Rocketman | I agree, fysa, I feel too much goes into adding another bullet point for marketing and not enough into useability and customer feedback |
| 13:43.38 | Rocketman | I took their customer surveys twice |
| 13:43.41 | keesj | customer feed-back was really "we need a keyboard" and now we hav it |
| 13:43.51 | pupnik | yep |
| 13:43.53 | Rocketman | and the questions were always aweful |
| 13:44.03 | fysa | all they needed was to listen to a single developer there. |
| 13:44.05 | pupnik | and Rocketman is claiming to know of products with far superior slider keyboards |
| 13:44.11 | pupnik | i'd be curious what those products are |
| 13:44.24 | fysa | I've heard bad things about that keyboard from Nokia folk. |
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| 13:45.08 | Rocketman | stuff on the order of how important is color to you when choosing a lifestyle device |
| 13:45.23 | fysa | marketing focus group bullshit |
| 13:45.27 | Rocketman | OQO model 2 keyboard not bad |
| 13:45.47 | Khertan | Rocketman > it's not the same sized device |
| 13:45.49 | Khertan | ! |
| 13:45.50 | fysa | I love Maemo. |
| 13:45.56 | keesj | I am not trying to say the keyboard is good(I don't have it). But I think that they do listen to the demand(perhaps a bit late, and therefore in device iterations......) |
| 13:45.57 | fysa | The hardware needs some more love though. |
| 13:46.17 | fysa | they listened as far as 'we need a keyboard' -- but they didn't bother to test it properly. they half-assed it. |
| 13:46.28 | nomis | The Psion 3* series keyboard was pretty usable. |
| 13:46.41 | Rocketman | latest HTC sliders are much improved over first gen |
| 13:46.41 | fysa | shows lack of leadership somewhere |
| 13:46.57 | pupnik | when i look at that, i see a lot of my life |
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| 13:47.02 | pupnik | http://surreality.info/up/success_large.jpg an old graphic about the long road to success, and the pitfalls |
| 13:47.06 | n800user | people want what they can't have.. like a practical keyboard at such a small size |
| 13:47.14 | fysa | no, not practical -- just not idiotic |
| 13:47.38 | fysa | if they a test to an internal developer and asked for feedback, the keys would not be that close to the upper case. |
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| 13:47.48 | Rocketman | n800user, they could have done much better in the same dimensions |
| 13:47.50 | fysa | and they would have a bit more curve. |
| 13:47.53 | n800user | why not use a bt or onscreen keyboard? |
| 13:47.57 | fysa | for fucks sake |
| 13:48.00 | fysa | this is the n810 |
| 13:48.07 | fysa | the entire purpose was to get the slide-out :) |
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| 13:48.23 | fysa | slide-out is a beautiful idea because it gets you extra screen real-estate |
| 13:48.29 | fysa | you get to type and see what you're doing |
| 13:48.42 | keesj | n800user: no no no. I want a working solution. I am ready to even learn a new keyboard type or whatever is required, but it must b a workable solution. |
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| 13:49.06 | fysa | I'm not giving Nokia a pass for making 'effort' |
| 13:49.11 | fysa | this is 2007. |
| 13:49.15 | Rocketman | your average treo or blackberry is more thumb typeable |
| 13:49.26 | n800user | Rocketman, Yeah, they could've done a better job. |
| 13:49.48 | keesj | Rocketman: I agree |
| 13:50.02 | n800user | keesj, a working keyboard that's integrated into the NIT? |
| 13:50.14 | fysa | the n810 looks gorgeous at least. :) |
| 13:50.52 | keesj | NIT? I can ready for surgery/ learing a weird 5 key keyboard, |
| 13:51.15 | Rocketman | I am a form follows function kinda guy |
| 13:51.37 | fysa | but I will be waiting for the "n900: |
| 13:51.41 | fysa | " |
| 13:51.48 | Rocketman | My devices are tools, not freaking fashion accesories |
| 13:52.11 | keesj | fysa: why wait, while you can already have fun right now |
| 13:52.27 | fysa | have a n800 |
| 13:52.31 | fysa | and a bt keyboard.. |
| 13:52.56 | fysa | having plenty of fun, but if I spend money on a device in this class right now, it honestly would probably be an EEE. |
| 13:53.03 | n800user | I like my n800 and bt keyboard & gps |
| 13:53.06 | fysa | just to use in different occasions |
| 13:53.10 | pupnik | diffrent class imo |
| 13:53.19 | fysa | EEE is something that could hang out in my glove box |
| 13:53.21 | n800user | both perform better then the built in |
| 13:53.22 | nomis | fysa: the EEE is IMHO not that sexy. |
| 13:53.29 | fysa | not looking for sexy ;) |
| 13:53.44 | fysa | I work at the computer all day and always on call some way or another.. |
| 13:53.46 | fysa | I want freedom |
| 13:53.52 | keesj | I used an eee for 5 minutes and I lovd it |
| 13:54.12 | n800user | ditto.. Longer battery life and possible use as a phone would be my two biggest requests |
| 13:54.17 | fysa | N800 is something that can go with me anywhere, EEE is something I could take somewhere when I want to work out of the house |
| 13:54.18 | pupnik | the nokia 770 cured me of my psion mourning |
| 13:54.30 | Rocketman | I am considering a Fujitsu U810 |
| 13:54.33 | fysa | (or on the plane) |
| 13:54.34 | keesj | still , I was complaining about they keyboard that was to small for real vi sesisons |
| 13:54.45 | fysa | yeah, for the EEE? |
| 13:55.07 | nomis | fysa: The EEE unfortunately is Intel-based and sucks up a lot of enrgy. |
| 13:55.22 | fysa | I hate to push it again, but the Apple Wireless keyboard is the smallest usable keyboard I've ever tried. |
| 13:55.41 | nomis | fysa: Also the Keyboard can at best used with a two-finger system. |
| 13:55.44 | n800user | ooo.. it's kind of cool |
| 13:55.47 | keesj | eee = more speed , better keyboard , better sound , more memory ...... |
| 13:56.06 | wumpus | but very bad battery time |
| 13:56.08 | fysa | full size keys with excellent spacing. it looks like a laptop keyboard, is way lighter than the batteries it takes, and feels nearly as good as my old IBM clicky |
| 13:56.08 | Rocketman | I found the Librettos and Journadas quite touch-typeable |
| 13:56.23 | fysa | you can get 2GB into it now |
| 13:56.30 | nomis | fysa: yeah, the apple KB looks great. |
| 13:57.10 | n800user | fysa, I like the apple keyboard too, but have you tried the stowaway? it's not too bad either |
| 13:57.10 | nomis | (does the wireless one also have this caps-lock-hack? |
| 13:57.10 | fysa | if they extended the EEE screen all the way left/right and ditched the speakers (or put them underneath/elsewhere somehow), I would be happy. |
| 13:57.10 | keesj | wumpus: my n800 with gmail loaded does not survie a morning, and if by chance I don't plug it in at night it wakes me up! |
| 13:57.12 | fysa | I really want 1024x480 or so |
| 13:58.15 | n800user | I loved my libretto. it took a bit of an adjustment to the keyboard but I think they're going for different ways of interacting |
| 13:58.17 | keesj | I guess the real question is what do you use you n800 for? |
| 13:58.34 | fysa | I'm trying to shoehorn my life/work into it ;) |
| 13:58.57 | Rocketman | pupnik, checkout the keyboard on the toshiba portege g900 |
| 13:59.06 | n800user | n8x0 shouldn't really be a minicomputer... it should just be a mobile device that works with the internet. |
| 13:59.08 | fysa | caps-lock-hack? |
| 13:59.14 | fysa | I don't know -- I remap caps lock to CTL |
| 13:59.19 | n800user | I'm using mine for the radio atm |
| 13:59.34 | nomis | fysa: then the apple wireless might bite you: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306811 |
| 13:59.36 | fysa | that's my only complaint with this keyboard -- it seems to register caps lock more slowly and doesn't work as CTRL so well. |
| 13:59.49 | nomis | ah, it bit you already :) |
| 13:59.51 | n800user | messaging, VoIP, maemo mapper |
| 14:00.08 | fysa | heh |
| 14:00.10 | n800user | watching movies etc |
| 14:00.44 | keesj | n800user: OTG? |
| 14:01.07 | pupnik | Rocketman: the top row is flush against the case |
| 14:01.08 | n800user | and browsing the net from the couch when I'm too lazy to go to the computer or when I'm annoyed of the fans on my computers |
| 14:01.19 | keesj | you have some free traffic gprs phone? |
| 14:01.31 | fysa | get the most use of the n800 in the bathroom ;) |
| 14:01.38 | n800user | keesj, only maemomapper and watching movies OTG |
| 14:01.48 | n800user | I also have a iphone so I use that when away from wifi |
| 14:01.54 | keesj | fysa: how is that? |
| 14:02.03 | Rocketman | I was referring to the way the keys bulge |
| 14:02.13 | Rocketman | to make the easy to press |
| 14:02.16 | keesj | shave app or do you have kids like m? |
| 14:02.17 | n800user | lol.. yeah, in the bathroom too, I played alot of sudoku |
| 14:02.18 | fysa | stopped magazine subscriptions, everything is here ;) |
| 14:03.49 | keesj | what I really use are "radio" wikipedia(when walking the dog, one article already downloaded) and with it2008 pdf sheets because the pdf reader really is gettint to a very usable state |
| 14:04.21 | keesj | on it2007 i love to watch natali del conte? |
| 14:05.20 | n800user | oh yeah, that was the video center wasn't it? |
| 14:05.45 | keesj | your technology news upload |
| 14:06.40 | pupnik | yeah that seems obvious, having a bulge |
| 14:06.53 | keesj | I hope some day I will be able to use it as video phone |
| 14:07.03 | n800user | Does anyone really like the new icons? I was hoping for something with color |
| 14:07.14 | n800user | gizmo? |
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| 14:08.03 | n800user | I think it can do SIP w/ h.323 |
| 14:08.04 | keesj | no, gizmo video does not work under linux and my parent's cant install it |
| 14:10.27 | keesj | but the maemo platform gave me my current job. And I love to see the evolution of the devices. it is also funny that when the n800 came out everybody wanted a cover |
| 14:10.28 | n800user | Ah.. any idea if wine could run gizmo? |
| 14:10.52 | n800user | lol.. a cover is still a nice idea |
| 14:11.17 | keesj | the 810 has a on/off button right? |
| 14:11.34 | n800user | dunno, only have a n800 |
| 14:12.12 | inz | keesj, N810 has a power key similar to that of N800 and 770 |
| 14:13.21 | keesj | thanks |
| 14:15.26 | Rocketman | anyways....and now to bed |
| 14:15.30 | keesj | inz was it you who started a translusive keyboard for the xterm? |
| 14:15.46 | keesj | 0x2bed |
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| 14:21.11 | inz | keesj, I was concidering it, but never started implementing |
| 14:21.44 | keesj | I hav played with it at some point, so It must b somebody else :p |
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| 14:28.47 | Tak | keesj: there's the one I made using rubygame ;-) |
| 14:30.57 | keesj | no it was a hack in the xterm "vte" lib or something, the keyboard was movable |
| 14:32.09 | Khertan | Does someone has already built python binding for gtksourceview ? |
| 14:32.33 | Tak | I can't imagine that there wouldn't be one |
| 14:32.47 | Tak | btw, what would be the advantage of moving to sbox2? |
| 14:34.15 | Khertan | sbox2 ? |
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| 14:36.20 | Khertan | Hi alterego ! |
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| 14:36.31 | alterego | Aloha |
| 14:38.09 | keesj | it was jtra |
| 14:38.32 | alterego | ooo .. What's that then? :D |
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| 14:39.16 | alterego | What about sbox2 with maemo4 ? Surely that's more appropriate ^_^ |
| 14:39.32 | inz | Tak, sbox2 is supposed to be thinner, cleaner (and faster?) |
| 14:39.51 | Tak | can't go wrong with thinner, cleaner, and faster(?) |
| 14:40.35 | keesj | jtra.cz !!! |
| 14:40.56 | lopz | hi |
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| 14:42.02 | alterego | Well, now I finally appear to have set up my system properly I can install scratchbox into a 32bit KVM :) |
| 14:44.19 | alterego | Which I think I'll do now .. |
| 14:47.33 | pupnik | Tak it's built here |
| 14:47.39 | pupnik | if i can help let me know |
| 14:48.03 | pupnik | oh wait, did I lie? |
| 14:48.06 | Tak | pupnik: how much hacking did you have to do to build it? |
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| 14:48.48 | Tak | it looks like their "I don't have gtkglext" fallback doesn't compile :-/ |
| 14:49.20 | L0cutus | hum |
| 14:49.20 | pupnik | i don't remember anything |
| 14:49.21 | Khertan | alterego> do u successfully compile gedit last time ? |
| 14:49.26 | pupnik | shall i tgz it to you? |
| 14:49.32 | L0cutus | there are some problem with bluez-utils |
| 14:49.37 | pupnik | then you can diff whatever you want |
| 14:49.55 | pupnik | desmume-cli is built |
| 14:49.59 | pupnik | i have no notes |
| 14:50.31 | Tak | pupnik: sure - email probably best |
| 14:50.32 | alterego | Khertan, I was making progress. Haven't finished it yet though. |
| 14:50.46 | alterego | Khertan, my system died, so I've spent the last 4 days building and installing a new one. |
| 14:51.29 | alterego | building, installing, reinstalling, reinstalling, reinstalling ... Until today :) |
| 14:52.22 | alterego | Ideally, I'd prefer to use Debian over Ubuntu. Unfortunately there's something very off with the display drivers in Debian that appear to be patched properly in Ubuntu. |
| 14:52.58 | Tak | moo? what display drivers? |
| 14:53.06 | alterego | The intel drivers. |
| 14:53.31 | Tak | hmm - seems to be ok here; maybe I have a lucky chipset ;-) |
| 14:53.55 | alterego | Tak, the problem seems to affect all from i810 up :) |
| 14:54.23 | alterego | Mine was a bit more severe than others though. X wouldn't shut down. It just hung my system. |
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| 14:54.39 | Tak | hmm - are we talking about etch? |
| 14:54.44 | alterego | Yes |
| 14:55.02 | alterego | I even pulled X from testing and unstable but they both suffered the same fault :( |
| 14:55.43 | alterego | It's a shame, because the debian gnome desktop _feels_ so much more stable and solid than the Ubuntu gnome desktop :/ |
| 14:56.15 | Tak | ah - I'm running unstable, and it works ok here |
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| 14:56.33 | alterego | Thankfully, I appear to have ironed out the issues I had with Ubuntu/gnome/compiz so it feels a bit more solid. |
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| 14:57.11 | Tak | huzzah! |
| 14:57.22 | alterego | :) |
| 14:57.28 | alterego | I don't like the window wobbling :P |
| 14:57.58 | alterego | I'm trying to find the option that stops windows going off the edge of virtual desktops. But to no avail. |
| 14:58.14 | Tak | I do; it gives the windows a more solid feel, which makes it easier to arrange them IMO |
| 14:58.38 | alterego | Hah, wobbly windows feel more solid to you? :D |
| 14:59.03 | Tak | heh - I mean, they feel like they have mass |
| 14:59.10 | alterego | Ah |
| 14:59.26 | Tak | gnome-compiz-manager might give you more configuration options |
| 14:59.32 | alterego | Actually, they do seem to snap a bit better around the edges. |
| 14:59.40 | alterego | That was one of my problems with ubuntu compiz before. |
| 14:59.49 | alterego | Yeah, I've been using that. |
| 15:00.15 | alterego | I like the "shiver" effect on dialogs :D |
| 15:03.31 | alterego | It's nice sticking scratchbox/maemo SDK in it's own KVM though. |
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| 15:17.58 | Khertan | pffffff stupid scratchbox ! |
| 15:18.01 | Khertan | oups ... ww |
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| 15:22.42 | Khertan_VM | sourceview is available on os2008 ? |
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| 15:25.30 | alterego | Khertan, nope. |
| 15:25.40 | alterego | Though I'm having to package it. So it will be ;) |
| 15:25.52 | Khertan_VM | arg i think i t was available ... |
| 15:26.03 | Khertan_VM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.33 | Khertan_VM | could u make python binding with it ? :-) |
| 15:28.30 | Khertan_VM | the last version is the 1.6 right ? |
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| 15:36.13 | alterego | Can't you? |
| 15:36.21 | alterego | You know I don't do Python :P |
| 15:36.28 | Khertan_VM | i ll :-) |
| 15:36.44 | Khertan_VM | i just need the lib and dev :) |
| 15:36.49 | alterego | Hell, the python binding should already exist. It just needs to be compiled. It should be part of the pygnome/gtk stuff |
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| 15:37.33 | Khertan_VM | it s exist already, but i m compiling gtksourceview now |
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| 15:38.06 | alterego | Ah |
| 15:38.52 | Khertan_VM | E: Couldn't find package gtk-doc |
| 15:39.01 | Khertan_VM | grrrr ... no make dist ... |
| 15:40.25 | Khertan_VM | No package 'gtksourceview-2.0' found |
| 15:40.37 | Khertan_VM | seem s a make install isn t enought |
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| 15:41.50 | Khertan_VM | maybe i should try with debian source package |
| 15:42.52 | alterego | That's a very good idea ;) |
| 15:42.58 | alterego | But you'll still need gtk-doc |
| 15:43.03 | alterego | Which is actually installed as a devkit. |
| 15:43.16 | Khertan_VM | arg ... it s still 1.8.5 on debian |
| 15:43.18 | Khertan_VM | grrrr |
| 15:43.30 | alterego | Use unstable or testing |
| 15:43.37 | Khertan_VM | gtk-doc ? so i should have it |
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| 15:44.13 | alterego | Yeah, I think you need to add the devkit (doctools) and add the pkg-config path of the devkit into your PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable. |
| 15:44.24 | alterego | Most of those labels are probably wrong by-the-way. |
| 15:44.25 | jigo | is there an easy way of autoloading a gui application when the device starts up? I tried adding entries in the /etc/rc*d. but it didn't load automatically |
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| 15:44.53 | Khertan_VM | uh ? the wmware is a feisty and not a debian |
| 15:45.24 | Khertan_VM | s/wmware/vmware image |
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| 15:46.43 | rene4jazz | hi all, I tried to intall nfs-common package on OS 2007 HE for my n770 and because of dependencies it uninstalled osso-core, osso-connectui, etc |
| 15:47.50 | rene4jazz | now I re-flashed the OS to be capabable of networking again |
| 15:55.10 | Jaffa | Going back to earlier: my Eee's very cool, and I love having it (easier to watch videos on with wife than on N810); but it's just not as *fun* as an N810. It's just a small, cheap, laptop. |
| 15:55.52 | pupnik | Jaffa: yeah- in that category it's a good thing of course |
| 15:55.58 | pupnik | as prior subnotebooks were very pricey |
| 15:56.50 | Jaffa | Exactly. |
| 15:56.58 | Khertan_VM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.02 | Khertan_VM | oups ww |
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| 15:58.41 | zoran | Jaffa, do you have vanilla xandros or something else on eee? |
| 15:58.54 | alterego | You really call the eee pc a sub notebook? |
| 15:58.58 | alterego | I'd have thought it's the perfect notebook size. |
| 15:59.03 | alterego | But yes, it's cheap :) |
| 15:59.50 | zoran | doesn't look in the same category as 770/800/810 |
| 16:01.56 | Khertan_VM | s/wmware/vmware image/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: debian/control: Permission denied |
| 16:01.59 | Khertan_VM | make: *** [clean] Error 1 |
| 16:02.05 | Khertan_VM | yeah / |
| 16:02.21 | Khertan_VM | i like that / |
| 16:02.29 | zoran | Permission denied |
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| 16:03.28 | Khertan_VM | yes ...but i m root |
| 16:03.32 | Khertan_VM | :) |
| 16:03.57 | zoran | linux or bsd? |
| 16:04.18 | Khertan_VM | linux :) |
| 16:04.30 | zoran | so, no security levels? |
| 16:04.33 | Khertan_VM | maemo scratchbox |
| 16:04.34 | dragorn | Khertan: looks like it's trying to execute debian/control? |
| 16:04.44 | zoran | maybe the wrong prompt |
| 16:04.54 | dragorn | or you're not running the pkg build under fakeroot |
| 16:04.58 | Khertan_VM | it s seem that it try to execute control |
| 16:05.15 | Khertan_VM | dragorn: i ve running it with fakeroot |
| 16:06.46 | zoran | Jaffa didn't answer, but there is custom debian distro for eee |
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| 16:09.07 | Khertan_VM | pffff and it s source from a gutsy packet |
| 16:09.12 | dpb_ | Khertan_VM: you're not root inside scratchbox |
| 16:09.15 | keesj | would the whole qemu/sbox run on eee? |
| 16:09.48 | zoran | probably yes, but is is a small flash ram |
| 16:10.00 | Khertan_VM | still so boring to compile existing source providing from the gnu community |
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| 16:10.15 | Khertan_VM | dpb_: you can :) |
| 16:10.20 | Khertan_VM | i ve try both |
| 16:10.50 | dpb_ | you can? I thought you couldn't login as root.. |
| 16:11.44 | dpb_ | Yeah, you can't. The login script checks for root and doesn't allow root to login. |
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| 16:12.40 | timeless | dpb: you can log into root |
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| 16:13.03 | timeless | oh, in scratchbox |
| 16:13.10 | timeless | yuck, who uses scratchbox? P:) |
| 16:13.18 | Tak | hah |
| 16:13.23 | dpb_ | Yeah. :) |
| 16:13.31 | Khertan_VM | fakeroot sh give you root no ? |
| 16:13.45 | dpb_ | no, that's just a FAKE root. |
| 16:13.57 | Khertan_VM | :) oups ... true |
| 16:14.04 | Khertan_VM | just verified |
| 16:14.37 | Khertan_VM | so ... the problem is mainly that the rule debian package try to execute debian/control |
| 16:15.49 | dpb_ | what does 'ls -l debian/control' say? |
| 16:18.18 | Khertan_VM | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3072 Dec 17 11:29 debian/control |
| 16:19.15 | dpb_ | that surely doesn't look right |
| 16:19.29 | Khertan_VM | yes |
| 16:19.37 | dpb_ | are you still running sh with fakeroot? |
| 16:19.43 | Khertan_VM | no |
| 16:21.09 | dpb_ | did you get/unpack those sources as root outside of scratchbox? |
| 16:21.15 | timeless | is this from a debian sourceball? :) |
| 16:21.47 | Khertan_VM | it s from a ubuntu sourceball |
| 16:21.47 | timeless | did you do: fakeroot apt-get source? :) |
| 16:22.12 | Khertan_VM | i m getting the debian package ... |
| 16:22.15 | timeless | although really, the root bit would only have happened if you either really were root when you did it |
| 16:22.28 | timeless | or are really confused now :) |
| 16:22.39 | dpb_ | yeah :) |
| 16:22.51 | timeless | because only root can actually create or make files with owner/group root |
| 16:23.33 | Khertan_VM | timeless: yes ... i get using it with sudo apt-get source ... but i should be able to compile it with fakeroot |
| 16:23.46 | Khertan_VM | and i shouldn t be 777 for all file |
| 16:23.55 | Khertan_VM | s/i/it s |
| 16:24.29 | dpb_ | uh, no no |
| 16:24.43 | dpb_ | apt-get source doesn't need root, run it without sudo |
| 16:24.53 | dpb_ | so the permissions will be right |
| 16:26.17 | timeless | yeah, sudo apt-get source was your problem |
| 16:26.25 | timeless | "don't do that" |
| 16:26.29 | Khertan_VM | maybe :) |
| 16:27.10 | Khertan_VM | samething ... with the ubuntu package |
| 16:27.19 | timeless | "don't do that" |
| 16:27.23 | Khertan_VM | seems to work with the debian one |
| 16:28.42 | Khertan_VM | don't do that ? using ubuntu package yes i know .... :) |
| 16:29.13 | timeless | don't do: sudo apt-get source |
| 16:29.20 | timeless | sudo should be used for installing, not getting sources |
| 16:29.26 | Khertan_VM | right |
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| 16:32.23 | Khertan_VM | there is news about discount code ? i ve try the 15th but don t see news |
| 16:32.27 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 16:32.35 | Khertan_VM | hi alone :) |
| 16:35.25 | pupnik | 5 days Khertan_VM |
| 16:35.36 | dpb_ | Khertan_VM: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/the-n810-codes-for-maemo-contributors-next-week/ |
| 16:36.29 | Khertan_VM | thx for the link |
| 16:36.51 | Khertan_VM | gtksourceview compiled :) |
| 16:37.13 | |R | 5 days? |
| 16:38.50 | Khertan_VM | i mainly see that : I’m still reluctant to give any exact day |
| 16:40.42 | Andy80 | 19 is the last day here (italy) to have it delivered before 25th :P |
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| 16:42.26 | |R | Considering that Canada just got added, i thought i wouldn't be able to get it before february, so that's good enough for me :D |
| 16:42.29 | zopodo | can i have skype running while in stanby mode and then have the nokia n800 load up and ring when someone is giving me a skype call? |
| 16:43.19 | X-Fade_ | |R: Can't be as bad as NL: http://shop.nokia.nl/ ;) |
| 16:43.33 | X-Fade_ | The shop isn't even open to the public ;) |
| 16:43.36 | |R | haha indeed :) |
| 16:43.43 | Khertan_VM | lol |
| 16:44.14 | Khertan_VM | 499 $ on france store .... hiccccckkkkkk |
| 16:44.22 | |R | 499 E ! |
| 16:44.28 | |R | that's more like 750 :P |
| 16:44.29 | Andy80 | lol :D |
| 16:44.32 | Khertan_VM | ouch euro i mean |
| 16:44.42 | |R | 654 USD |
| 16:44.51 | pupnik | ha ha germany is cheaper |
| 16:45.05 | Khertan_VM | (swithing between vm ... different keyboard layout) |
| 16:45.15 | Khertan_VM | spain is 400 Euros |
| 16:45.23 | pupnik | ! |
| 16:45.27 | pupnik | spain wins |
| 16:45.34 | Khertan_VM | :) |
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| 16:45.41 | Fang64 | Tontsa: I caved in and switched back to OS2008, couldn't get the ncurses-bin package to work right. |
| 16:45.47 | Khertan_VM | don t why there are this diff |
| 16:45.48 | |R | weird |
| 16:45.58 | pupnik | government regulations |
| 16:46.05 | |R | germans should be ritcher than french no? |
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| 16:46.19 | |R | s/t// |
| 16:46.30 | Khertan_VM | bof ... |
| 16:46.53 | Khertan_VM | the german country is more rich than the french one |
| 16:47.03 | |R | yeah, but i guess berlin is poor hehe |
| 16:47.10 | Khertan_VM | but people ... don't know |
| 16:47.49 | Khertan_VM | dh_pycentral: Command not found |
| 16:48.06 | Khertan_VM | someknow where i can found this command ? |
| 16:48.49 | pupnik | deb helper python crap? |
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| 16:49.18 | bedboi | |R: in italy it's rated 450 |
| 16:49.22 | dpb_ | in debian it's atleast in the python-central package |
| 16:49.26 | bedboi | wtf is this |
| 16:49.34 | zopodo | can i have skype running while in stanby mode and then have the nokia n800 load up and ring when someone is giving me a skype call? |
| 16:49.45 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: VAT. |
| 16:50.01 | bedboi | X-Fade_: i don't think so. In italy we have 20% |
| 16:50.18 | X-Fade_ | bedboi: VAT & Shipping? |
| 16:50.31 | X-Fade_ | And VAT on Shipping ;) |
| 16:50.58 | dragorn | zopodo: no idea. try it. |
| 16:51.01 | Tak | |R: supposed to be 99E |
| 16:51.05 | dragorn | zopodo: depends if skype is wakeup-aware |
| 16:51.20 | |R | Tak : so 145$ ? |
| 16:51.24 | Tak | so, depending on current exchange rate, anywhere from $130 to $600 |
| 16:51.29 | |R | ahha :) |
| 16:51.44 | Khertan_VM | lol |
| 16:52.00 | Andy80 | bedboi: "we"? are you italian? |
| 16:53.23 | Khertan_VM | dh_pycentral not found in debhelper ... |
| 16:53.42 | kaie | is it possible that network will fall asleep, too? When I'm logged in from my pc to the n810 over ssh, after a while the ssh connection will be frozen |
| 16:54.06 | kaie | If the network connection falls asleep, I suppose the skype network will conclude you're offline |
| 16:54.07 | alterego | Doesn't appear to happen with me. |
| 16:54.07 | kaie | ? |
| 16:54.08 | zopodo | has skype been released for the n800? |
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| 16:54.35 | dragorn | Yes. Though my experiences with the os2008 beta + skype left a lot to be desired |
| 16:54.46 | Khertan_VM | nor dh-buildinfo |
| 16:54.49 | keesj | zopodo: yes (for it2007 and it2008 beta) |
| 16:54.51 | zopodo | is there an option to have skype wake aware? |
| 16:55.08 | Khertan_VM | repository.maemo.org seem s to be down |
| 16:55.19 | zopodo | i don't have the n800 yet but if i can have skype wake aware, then i'll most likley get it |
| 16:56.10 | keesj | what is wake aware? |
| 16:56.56 | alterego | I wonder, if when maemo is finally fully buildable from source. We'll be able to compile using the host toolchain .. |
| 16:57.06 | alterego | That'd be neat. |
| 16:57.16 | keesj | the first skype release for it2008 did not work well for me , it was not possible to have a long disc. I have not tried it yet again |
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| 16:58.37 | keesj | the host toolchain as in x86? |
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| 16:59.22 | zopodo | kaie, can i have the n800 in low power mode and have a connection for skype? |
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| 17:00.30 | kaie | zopodo, I don't know |
| 17:01.01 | zopodo | does anyone have an example photo or video of the quality of the n800 cam? |
| 17:02.50 | kaie | I'm conducting an experiment. I have skype started on the n810, signed in with account A. on the pc I signed in to skype using account B. I'll not touch the n810 for 20 minutes then I'll look what happens when I use the pc to contact A |
| 17:03.57 | kaie | feel free to remind in 20 minutes if you're curious about the result |
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| 17:08.36 | Khertan | bye |
| 17:10.15 | bedboi | Andy80: yep, i happen to be italian |
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| 17:19.21 | zepede | is it possible to have the n800 in standby mode and have WiFi connected at the same time/ |
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| 17:23.38 | kaie | I just sent a skype message from pc to n810 after 20 minutes not using the device. The n810 made noise, so the connection is apparently still active |
| 17:24.58 | zepede | is the n810 in standby mode? |
| 17:25.19 | zepede | what about the n800/ |
| 17:25.36 | pupnik | it is in dominate world mode |
| 17:26.13 | zepede | is it in stab pupnik in the eye mode? |
| 17:26.46 | kaie | all I can tell, the display was black and the device had switched to "locked" |
| 17:27.00 | kaie | how do you define "standby mode"? |
| 17:27.36 | kaie | in addition, I remember that I have the network idle time disabled, changed to "always keep connection" |
| 17:29.52 | zepede | ok |
| 17:30.20 | zepede | does the battery in the n800 die down after use like the iphone batteries? |
| 17:31.31 | kaie | zepede, every battery I'm aware of eventually dies down after a lot of use. if that happens, replace the battery I'd say...? |
| 17:31.45 | zepede | can you buy replacement batteries for the n800? |
| 17:31.59 | zepede | or are they proprietary nokia stuff that cost $500? |
| 17:32.18 | Tak | seems to be a fairly good market for them on ebay and similar |
| 17:32.28 | kaie | zepede, have you tried reading the product information pages and info on availably accessiores on nokia.com? |
| 17:32.37 | X-Fade_ | zepede: You have never owned anthing from Nokia, have you? :) |
| 17:32.58 | zepede | kaie, yes a bit, and x-fade: no |
| 17:34.06 | X-Fade_ | zepede: About every phone/device they made since 199x had replacement batteries.. |
| 17:36.11 | zepede | does x forwarding work? |
| 17:36.14 | inz | X-Fade, iPhone! |
| 17:36.28 | inz | X-Fade, sorry, missed the "they" |
| 17:36.36 | X-Fade_ | inz: Soldering iron battery replacements ;) Fun.. |
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| 17:42.57 | lardman | re |
| 17:43.53 | zepede | is $250 a good price for n800? |
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| 18:00.25 | Fang64 | yo zepede buy.com has them for 228 free shipping |
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| 18:02.57 | zepede | Fang64: i live in canada |
| 18:03.11 | Fang64 | zepede ah that's a problem |
| 18:03.34 | Fang64 | confused me for a bit |
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| 19:22.36 | Pavlz | hello |
| 19:23.18 | Pavlz | i got a problem with kismet |
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| 19:24.39 | blkorpheus | anyone have fuppes compiled and running properly? |
| 19:24.52 | Pavlz | Server options: none |
| 19:25.16 | Pavlz | Client options: none |
| 19:25.49 | Pavlz | Starting server ... |
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| 19:27.01 | Pavlz | Waiting for server to start before starting . |
| 19:27.51 | bedboi | any further info about canola2? |
| 19:28.21 | alterego | bedboi, it was a hoax. It never really existed. Like the N810 |
| 19:28.31 | bedboi | eheh |
| 19:29.11 | Pavlz | /usr/bin/kismet_server : error while loadiy |
| 19:29.25 | alterego | Probably a typo |
| 19:31.12 | Pavlz | [1] + Done (127) $ {BIN} /ki} |
| 19:31.39 | Pavlz | What does mean all this ? |
| 19:32.25 | Pavlz | I have not understood the real problem of nokia |
| 19:33.20 | Pavlz | it seems got a problem with kismet_server |
| 19:34.15 | Pavlz | anyone can help me ? |
| 19:34.53 | Pavlz | i got the os 2006 |
| 19:35.07 | florian | re |
| 19:35.14 | Pavlz | i must update to 2007 |
| 19:35.54 | Pavlz | I have logged myself using |
| 19:36.04 | Pavlz | sudo gainroot |
| 19:36.11 | alterego | Why not 2008? |
| 19:36.29 | Pavlz | and i have try to use |
| 19:36.41 | Pavlz | apt-get update |
| 19:36.58 | Pavlz | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:37.44 | Pavlz | but kernel, dependencies... never updated |
| 19:39.17 | Pavlz | so i am to the old kernel version 2.6.16.27-omap1 |
| 19:39.51 | Pavlz | ok i try to update my self to the os 2008 |
| 19:40.46 | giskard | barisione, :P |
| 19:42.50 | FMz | Any ideas on the final release date of OS2008 for n800? |
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| 19:44.08 | Pavlz | i got many problems with this nokia and many times i needed to go to the assistance and last time, they removed me the root access so i needed to use how to become root without have on the screen the image of mounting the debian gnu/linux operating system on the nokia |
| 19:44.34 | alterego | I didn't understand a word of that. |
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| 19:45.08 | FMz | Oh wow... that's like Engrish v2.0 |
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| 19:45.55 | khertan_ | re |
| 19:46.28 | Pavlz | where i can download os 2008 for nokia 770 ? |
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| 19:50.45 | alterego | Oh, you're using one of _those_ .. |
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| 19:54.46 | Pavlz | what is the difference between nokia n800 an n810 ? |
| 19:55.14 | BeBraw | price, keyboard, gps, screen |
| 19:55.19 | tontsa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 |
| 19:55.25 | tontsa | there's what's changed from n800 |
| 19:56.06 | Pavlz | and cpu ? |
| 19:56.31 | alterego | Also, storage options and size. |
| 19:56.35 | tontsa | same cpu on both |
| 19:56.42 | tontsa | just see the wikipedia.org article |
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| 19:56.47 | alterego | (and USB connector) |
| 19:56.54 | alterego | And buttons. |
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| 20:02.08 | Pavlz | Thanks |
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| 20:13.14 | tank-man | does anyone know if the ps3 bluetooth gamepad work with the n800? |
| 20:13.42 | alterego | Does it work with Linux? |
| 20:13.52 | tank-man | yea, i think so |
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| 20:14.15 | tank-man | works with the ps3 with linux installed on it i think |
| 20:14.35 | alterego | ffs .. |
| 20:14.40 | tank-man | just wondering if someone has done it with the n800 |
| 20:14.43 | alterego | Why does everything rely on Python now-a-days. |
| 20:14.55 | alterego | I can't install the SDK into a base system without python. How lame .. |
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| 20:15.51 | derf | Because people like writing software in Python. |
| 20:16.20 | alterego | This is a bash script .. |
| 20:16.29 | alterego | It probably uses python for something _Really_ lame .. |
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| 20:16.54 | derf | Probably, but the person writing it found it easier to do it in Python than think about how to do it somewhere else. |
| 20:17.00 | derf | People use the tools they're comfortable with. |
| 20:17.13 | derf | It doesn't actually matter much how well-suited those tools are for the task at hand. |
| 20:17.29 | alterego | Not to them it probably doesn't .. |
| 20:18.23 | derf | They're the ones writing the code. |
| 20:19.00 | alterego | Specifically for other people .. |
| 20:19.39 | derf | Yeah, how much do you think your average developer considers other people? |
| 20:19.48 | derf | Especially in the open-source world. |
| 20:19.58 | alterego | Hmm .. This is actually scratchbox .. So I guess that makes it a little better. |
| 20:20.07 | alterego | I wonder why they don't use their own python .. |
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| 20:26.10 | alterego | melmoth, debian base install :P |
| 20:26.20 | alterego | I'm creating a KVM for scratchbox. |
| 20:26.26 | melmoth | hmm |
| 20:26.30 | melmoth | i did a xen image for it :) |
| 20:26.51 | alterego | The idea is having it as minimal as possible you see ;) |
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| 20:27.17 | melmoth | hmm. i did not care about size, it s stored on an external usb drive anyway. |
| 20:27.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:27.30 | melmoth | i just installed debian clicking on next/next/next |
| 20:27.39 | alterego | I don't like waste. Sorry, I know I'm pretty anal ;) |
| 20:27.43 | alterego | Hahah |
| 20:28.09 | melmoth | i think i even got openoffice installed there. |
| 20:29.08 | alterego | Yeah, your probably did the desktop install :) |
| 20:29.22 | melmoth | must be the default one :) |
| 20:29.45 | alterego | Yeah, it is. |
| 20:31.35 | Tak | alterego: I agree |
| 20:32.24 | kala | how can I trust some CA in the OS2008 ? |
| 20:32.50 | alterego | It's on the Control Panel kala |
| 20:32.58 | alterego | Under "Certificate Manager" or some such. |
| 20:33.06 | kala | hmm |
| 20:33.48 | kala | right, the Certificate Manager is there |
| 20:34.04 | kala | ok, and thereis Import. |
| 20:34.05 | kala | thanks |
| 20:34.57 | alterego | hmm |
| 20:35.00 | alterego | That's okay :P |
| 20:35.14 | Tak | (doesn't actually work for me) |
| 20:36.24 | alterego | Great .. segfault .. |
| 20:38.27 | kala | jee, this fixed my Outlook Web Access crash |
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| 20:41.44 | alterego | Right, now I know the process works. Time to do it properly. |
| 20:41.45 | alterego | :D |
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| 21:13.59 | pat26 | hi. I would like to install a dual boot system with OS2008 as the main system and 0S2007 on a SD card. Is it possible ? |
| 21:16.32 | alterego | Yes. |
| 21:17.36 | pat26 | The link I found is about N770. Any change ? |
| 21:18.05 | alterego | What's an "N770"? |
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| 21:18.41 | pat26 | N770 device (mine is an n800) |
| 21:19.01 | alterego | I don't remember an "N770" do you mean the "770"? |
| 21:19.02 | alterego | :P |
| 21:19.15 | pat26 | Nokia N770 |
| 21:19.26 | shackan | bzzzt, wrong |
| 21:19.29 | alterego | There is no Nokia "N770" .. |
| 21:19.55 | alterego | I can't believe people still think it's N-series :D |
| 21:20.22 | pat26 | is that so important ? |
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| 21:21.00 | alterego | No, being correct is never important. |
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| 21:21.35 | pat26 | could you give me information about dual boot or do you prefer playing with words ? |
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| 21:22.16 | alterego | The instructions for dual booting an N800 or the 770 should be somewhat applicable. But I'm sure there will be differences. |
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| 21:22.20 | alterego | (OS2007) that is . |
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| 21:22.45 | maddler | evening all! |
| 21:22.52 | protocol_ | Hi |
| 21:22.52 | alterego | So, by all means. Go ahead, if you have any questions then ask them more specifically. The process should be somewhat similar though. |
| 21:23.10 | alterego | I think the only difference will be dealing with the initrd .. |
| 21:26.06 | protocol_ | I am trying to capture sound on N800 using ESD. There is a example application called "esdrec". "esdrec" works fine on the pc but does not work on N800. Any help would be appreciated regarding ESD on maemo platform. |
| 21:28.09 | protocol_ | ESD socket is opened successfully but ESD socket reading fails to read correctly thus hangs on the reading phase. |
| 21:28.46 | protocol_ | Is there some issues using ESD on maemo platform? |
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| 21:44.21 | protocol_ | Does anybody know how to use esd in maemo platform? |
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| 21:44.34 | protocol_ | I can not use gstreamer. |
| 21:45.01 | protocol_ | I have to use esd to capture sound data from microphone. |
| 21:47.53 | dragorn | I'd guess not. |
| 21:49.29 | youam | it's not possible to use larger sd cards than 2gb in the n800, right? |
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| 21:49.58 | skibur | hello |
| 21:50.21 | skibur | I'm using N800 - OS2008. Any app that can read .doc files yet? |
| 21:51.13 | blast007 | youam: on the nseries.com site it says 8GB limit, but in the user manual it says 2GB |
| 21:51.19 | blast007 | youam: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n800_en_R1.html |
| 21:51.34 | blast007 | iirc, amazon.com lists 2GB as well, so I'm just as confused ;) |
| 21:51.47 | glass_ | 2gb was probably biggest they tried before shipping |
| 21:51.57 | glass_ | it didn't ship with sdhc support iirc originally |
| 21:52.01 | youam | anybody tried id with sdhc cards yet? |
| 21:52.03 | glass_ | thus, 2gb limit on the shipping day specs |
| 21:52.14 | glass_ | sdhc came in upgraded fw, no? |
| 21:53.11 | tontsa | you need sdhc versions if you want to use bigger than 2gb atleast with n810 |
| 21:53.20 | youam | glass_: is sd vs sdhc a software limitation? i thought it's hardware? |
| 21:53.37 | glass_ | youam: sw in this case at least |
| 21:54.20 | glass_ | if you can control the pins i don't know why it would be a hw issue, really... |
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| 22:04.53 | doc|home | skibur: abiword can I think |
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| 22:09.20 | sgehrman | FM Radio in n810 doesn't do anything |
| 22:09.24 | sgehrman | is it suppose to work? |
| 22:10.26 | derf | I thought the N810 didn't have an FM tuner. |
| 22:10.36 | sgehrman | not sure, but the applet is included |
| 22:12.10 | sgehrman | its the second applet in the list of installed stuff. It would be strange to include it but to not have a chip right? |
| 22:12.20 | derf | Yes. I agree that would be strange. |
| 22:12.33 | Vulc|Bleh | its probably included in OS2008 final |
| 22:12.34 | halley | The N810 does not have FM hardware. |
| 22:12.48 | Vulc|Bleh | It'd be in there for the n800, and they just didn't remove it for the 810 |
| 22:13.51 | youam | anyone know about the status of the pimlico tools for os2008? |
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| 22:35.46 | diver_x | hi, is there a way to get or build a kernel module for mppe without flashing the n800 again ? i'm using os2008 |
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| 22:36.13 | skibur | abiword? |
| 22:36.28 | skibur | is there a .deb for abiword for OS2008? |
| 22:37.04 | skibur | Wow! Otopia for N800? |
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| 22:39.55 | halley | apt-get often hangs after 'gzip' on chinook/free for some reason; then when I bail it has dupe entries in sources.list to clean up |
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| 22:41.07 | halley | Disconnect has a problem. |
| 22:41.16 | halley | "What we have here is a failure to communicate." |
| 22:41.21 | Fang64 | lol |
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| 22:52.19 | skibur | hacking is all I know |
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| 22:54.22 | killfill | hi guys |
| 22:54.33 | killfill | the "mediastreamer" should see daapd servers, right? |
| 22:54.50 | killfill | or just upnp's? |
| 22:56.20 | killfill | anyone?.. :) |
| 22:56.23 | dev | killfill: afaik only upnp |
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| 22:57.45 | killfill | :S |
| 22:57.54 | killfill | whats a daap client (except for canola) |
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| 22:58.26 | killfill | my upnp server is a little buggy.. |
| 22:58.28 | killfill | (mediatomb) |
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| 22:58.41 | killfill | whats up with canol2 anyway?.. :P |
| 22:58.44 | killfill | any news? |
| 22:59.11 | dev | killfill: mine works, but mediatomb should be fine too |
| 23:00.08 | killfill | its a bug with freebsd or something.. it telling something about the swap.. |
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