IRC log for #maemo on 20071214

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00:02.48skiburhello?
00:03.10pupnikmmc Atarii
00:03.13pupnikhi skibur
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00:04.19skiburI´m thinking of  using nothing but my n800 for one month just to see if I can do my daily computing. :)
00:06.05pupnikif you do, make a blog diary
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00:08.09Atariiyea sounds fun skibur
00:08.28Atariiwat size mmc pupnik?
00:09.16skiburI didnt know that Pidgin had IRC support.
00:10.19Atariiyea, i tried it earlier for the first time
00:10.22Atariiwas confusing
00:13.32skiburWell I´m done with finals and I need something to work on.
00:13.38dragornskibur: a friend just got an 810 to be his primary computer
00:13.51skiburnice
00:14.20skiburDo you have a iGO keyboard?
00:15.03dragornme? No.
00:15.06skiburI´ve notice that the  ´  has a delay or maybe there is something stuck on the key board.  Still don´t know.
00:17.37skiburmust be with Pidgin because I can using other symbols on the same key with no delay
00:19.43skiburAnyways, I guess I going to unpack. I just arrived home and all my stuff are in bags .  Later hackers!!!
00:25.31pupnikAtarii: 2GB
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00:54.34pupnik"My N810 arrived yesterday from Nokia online shop (de) I ordered on Friday with express delivery and it came on Tuesday. " wtf.. nokia.de has em?
00:56.35pupnikhttp://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3752591&culture=de-DE   aha N810 finally on the shop in .de
01:01.58pupniki don't see where to edit my chosen tablet store in my maemo profile :(
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01:45.47yabbasI'm going to ask a question that's possibly  been repeated hundredsof times before.  "Has anybody's Developer Discount Code worked for them in the UK?"
01:45.57zerojay...
01:46.49pupnikdunno
01:46.53pupnikyabbas: do you have a code?
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01:47.15pupniki see the devices are starting to sell in UK and Germany
01:47.29yabbaspupnik: I wouldn't be asking otherwise :) [that's a yes]
01:47.30pupnikbut no update via email
01:48.04pupnikyabbas: do you know if you can see, or edit the store you picked on the maemo.org profile?
01:48.08yabbassomeone on the mailing list suggested they work on the 15th ... but I didn't read anythign official anywhere
01:48.47yabbaspupnik: good question, don't think I did.  Thoguh I specified I lived in the UK so assumed it'd default there.
01:49.17pupnikyeah i guess we just have to wait.  i just saw today that nokia.de shop now has them
01:50.00yabbas.co.uk has them too
01:51.00yabbasDev Application lists:  "Nokia shop to get the device from United Kingdom"
01:51.03pupnikwell nothing we can do then
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01:51.52yabbasaye, play the waiting game :) ... damnit, I'm itching for one!
01:56.01pupnikby the time we get our codes confirmed, the shops will sell out of initial stock and be backordered, and we'll have to wait another month to get one.
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01:57.26pupniki hope i'm wrong... but this looks most likely to me
01:57.26zerojayI hope not.
01:57.59yabbasAre there a lot of people out there who want it that badly?
01:58.28yabbasReviews were good, but imho I think most are going the *spit* Apple way.
01:58.31pupnikthe N810 made two popular publications "Top 10 Most Wanted for Christmas" lists (wired, cnet)
01:58.42yabbasblimeh
01:58.42halleyyabbas, there are developers who got a very good deal but only through the official Nokia store outlets.
01:59.13halleyOh, didn't read back.
01:59.51halleyPersonally, I think the platform is STILL way underdeveloped for mundane non-developers to have much interest.
01:59.53yabbashalley: *g* s'all good.  I think the US stores accepted the codes so far but everywhere else hasn't yet.
02:00.06halleyAs a developer, I'm loving it.
02:00.22yabbasI'm in two minds so far - there
02:01.25yabbasI kinda wish we had more access to the internals.
02:01.54nomisMhm. Did anyone try a european discount code in nokias shop?
02:02.17nomisSeems the german shop has them in stock but I am not sure if I may go ahead and enter my code.
02:02.42halleyI'm getting into pygame.  I wish arm python was able to precompile native elements, like psyco without the runtime memory hit.
02:03.07nomisanyway - /me heads for the bed.
02:03.08yabbasShould really look into pygame.
02:03.14halleyI also don't like hildon+pygame complexity.  There's no rational reason I have to know a thing about dbus to allow my app to minimize and come back.
02:04.12yabbasshit, 2am and I'm reading pbfcomics >_<
02:04.27yabbasbbl!
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02:24.30pupnik<- ravioli
02:24.34IasBlairX are u gettin the n800
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02:46.01ds3just to confirm what I am seeing, on the N800, sound is not a normal PCM device but rather something that gets routed through the DSP. Is this right?
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02:48.50rghoshi believe so
02:49.18rghoshmy colleague says yes
02:49.35rghoshfor example in gstreamer, the element name for audio output is 'dsppcmsink'
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03:43.52pupnikyaaay xmms *finally* fixed the 'always on top' switch!
03:43.52pupnikonly took 7 years to do it!
03:45.21vlad_does the n810 media player handle h.264 video/aac audio, in a mp4 container?
03:45.26vlad_or do I need to do something else?
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03:49.18|Ranyone been able to play bomberman n8x0 to n8x0 ? :)
03:49.41|Reven by hand it doesn't seem to work (with bombermanclient and *server -h ...)
03:52.09|Rwith netcat from one n800 to the other i can trigger activity on the server port but game won't connect...
03:52.12pupnikdunno dunno
03:52.32pupnikvlad_: tablet-encode
03:54.34alppupnik: i don't think that's a helpful answer
03:55.16vlad_pupnik: yeah, I don't use linux :)
03:56.44pupnikhttp://www.google.com/search?q=n810+media+player+h.264+video+aac+audio+mp4   I dunno - don't have my N810 yet.
03:56.56vlad_yeh, trawling through that list now :)
03:57.05vlad_I may have just overdone it on the resolution, shrinking things down now
03:57.09vlad_and using an avi container instead of mp4 container
03:57.26pupnikyeah 400x240 is recommended
03:59.04vlad_I was (optimistically) trying 640x480 :)
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04:03.53pupnikvlad_: mplayer will handle more codecs, give you better speed and compression
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04:05.42vlad_pupnik: yeah, just no mplayer yet for n810
04:05.47vlad_I could probably build it, I guess
04:08.33K`zanI thought there was mplayer for the n800?!?
04:08.43unique311mplayer for os2008 is avail
04:09.04unique311ur n810 is running os2008
04:09.25unique311search downloads on maemo.org os2008
04:10.38unique311http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008
04:10.55vlad_ah yeh, just found it
04:11.48unique311http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
04:12.19vlad_nod
04:12.25vlad_just added the extras-devel repo
04:12.39K`zanGuess I was wrong, no mplayer for 2008 :-(.
04:12.55unique31123 stopped playing .flv files properly for me.
04:12.57Vulc|Bleh[23:11:48] <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 -- its there.
04:13.06Vulc|Blehyou want .21, I believe
04:13.07unique31121 played them pretty well
04:13.13unique311yeah
04:13.54unique311don't install 23, not sure what happen, but alot of the videos i tried froze
04:13.59unique311during playback
04:15.29unique311but worked on 21 pretty good
04:16.03unique311but i am running os2008 on the n800 (beta version)
04:16.29unique31123 might fair better on the n810s os2008
04:19.35vlad_mmm, 1500kbps is a bit much!
04:21.01pupnikwith xvid i go 700kb/s with 64kb/s mono audio (keep movies below 350MB)
04:22.10pupnikcourse, you can't take it with you
04:23.33vlad_can't take which with me?
04:24.25pupniksorry offtopic
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04:31.03pupnikPupnik's Music Pick of the Day:  wget http://www.austinsound.net/dl/ThreadbareCoat.mp3
04:36.20dragornwow, mplayer has gotten a LOT better since I last used it
04:36.25dragorngood work, whomever did it :)
04:40.47K`zanAny of the editors for 2008 do .rtf?
04:44.09pupnikabiword?  should be released soon?
04:45.22dragornyeah i'm waiting for that one
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05:26.01skibur?
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05:33.39ShyBoygot a problem
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05:33.56ShyBoychecking tcl build dir... locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory
05:33.56ShyBoyconfigure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
05:34.10ShyBoyi do have tcl installed on chinook env..
05:35.15pupnik_your script seems to be calling locate to find a dir
05:35.36pupnik_go to that line and replace the result of locate with your tcl build dir
05:35.54ShyBoythx, let me check
05:36.24pupnik_the alternative would be to install and run locate/updatedb, but i have a feeling that's not such a good idea
05:36.27dragornor run updatedb to get a locate database
05:36.31dragornheh
05:36.35dragornwhy not?
05:37.18ShyBoy/scratchbox/tools/bin/updatedb: line 139: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb.n: Permission denied
05:37.26ShyBoyupdatedb is giving me this error though
05:38.34ShyBoy/scratchbox/tools/bin/find: error in /scratchbox/etc/mtab: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile: No such file or directory
05:38.34ShyBoyupdatedb: new database would be empty
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05:40.16ShyBoywhere do i get the sources for tcl?
05:40.53ShyBoyi mean tcl for chinook armel
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06:16.54ShyBoyhaving this error, can someone please help
06:16.55ShyBoychecking tcl build dir... locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory
06:16.55ShyBoyconfigure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
06:20.17ShyBoyi had 2 locates which I provide the path
06:20.26ShyBoystill the script stuck there
06:22.09ShyBoyi guess i need to refresh this configure (refresh or re=initiaze), how can i force to configure, once modified?
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06:22.46ShyBoyi guess i need to refresh this configure (refresh or re=initiaze), how can i force to configure, once modified?
06:23.29pupnik./configure
06:23.41ShyBoyits caching it i guess
06:23.53ShyBoythe change i made, but it keep saying the same error
06:24.07pupnikis this a debian package?
06:24.17ShyBoyI guess yes
06:24.27pupnikit might be copying the script to debian/.......
06:24.32pupnikor
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06:24.42pupnikyou might have to go to an automake script
06:25.12pupnikdid the re-run remove the changes you made by overwriting the file ShyBoy ?
06:26.20ShyBoyno
06:26.29ShyBoymy changes are there
06:26.47ShyBoythe debian folder doesn't contain any configure
06:26.58ShyBoycan't do automake as there is no install-sh
06:27.15ShyBoywhen i configure it shows the same error
06:27.22ShyBoybut i modify the contents
06:27.45ShyBoystill shows the locate error, and i put the remarks on locate command (#)
06:28.16ShyBoyi remember there were some command with --force to run first before ./cofigure if its modified
06:28.17ShyBoyisn't it?
06:28.29ShyBoyi m not sure what command was it, maybe automake
06:28.38ShyBoyit was for different package though
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06:31.25ShyBoythere is a folder called autopackage
06:31.28ShyBoyin my src
06:31.34ShyBoyi.e. in my package
06:31.44ShyBoybut there is no executeable script in there
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06:39.20JoshTriplettDoes modest have a dedicated channel, or should I ask questions about it here?
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06:56.19L0cutushttp://www.zamprogno.it/TimeWiki.html#Maemo
06:56.38L0cutusi've ported a new tool, 'Remind' to os2008
06:56.54L0cutushttp://www.linux.com/articles/55928
06:57.08L0cutushttp://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind
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07:17.52pupnikShyBoy: sorry i don't know offhand what's wrong
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07:18.35K`zanNight all
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07:25.12JoshTriplettIn Modest, how can I keep my sent folder and drafts folder on the IMAP server rather than locally?
07:29.57gomiamJoshTriplett: are you able to create IMAP folders through Modest?
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07:30.04JoshTriplettgomiam: Yes.
07:30.14JoshTriplettgomiam: Let me doublecheck.
07:30.37gomiamI'll check how to set the default sent folder meanwhile
07:31.15JoshTriplettgomiam: Yes, I can create folders through IMAP.
07:32.47gomiammmm... as of 2007/12/11 there was no option to set the default Sent folder
07:32.57JoshTriplettgomiam: Hmmm, oh well.
07:33.02gomiamfrom what I gather at the Internet Table Talk Forums
07:33.13JoshTriplettgomiam: Oh?  Can you point me at a relevant link?
07:33.26gomiamlink: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13029
07:33.47gomiamcheck the first comment by Rebski
07:35.58gomiamanyway, Modesto is still beta. From what I read on that link's thread, there are quite a few bugs crawling there yet.
07:36.11gomiambleh, Modest
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08:10.42ShyBoyhow to remove the deb?
08:10.50ShyBoyfakeroot dpkg?
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08:17.01gomiamwhat deb do you want to remov?
08:17.04gomiamremove
08:17.59ShyBoygot it
08:18.00ShyBoy<PROTECTED>
08:18.01ShyBoythx
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09:01.36KhertanHi !
09:01.41Khertaninfobot
09:01.53Khertaninfobot help ?
09:02.02Khertaninfobot help
09:02.48Khertaninfobot help karma
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09:23.52sp3000infobot: make me coffee
09:23.53infobotACTION brews a nice hot cup of coffee for sp3000
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10:07.15rothielHello World :)
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10:38.32[pablo]does anyone know the specifications for the n810 charger, i'm needing to order a car charger online but don't have one on me
10:39.29Khertansp3000 > Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
10:39.36Khertan:)
10:39.42tontsait can use AC-4 and DC-4 nokia chargers. Also ACP-12 with converter to smaller plug
10:39.54[pablo]tontsa: thanks
10:40.51dpb_according to nokia.com, the package comes with Nokia Travel Charger AC-4
10:41.02sp3000Khertan: ?
10:41.05dpb_and a car holder
10:41.06lardmancode still doesn't work in the uk shop
10:41.15lardman:(
10:41.25lardmanI'll have to wait 'till tomorrow I suppose
10:41.28Khertanlardman > we are the 14th december
10:41.32[pablo]dpb_: yeah, it's a regular wall plug that doesn't cover up both plugs
10:41.36[pablo]it's not a DC charger
10:42.02lardmanKhertan: I thought it said by the 15th, and it's nearly there so I thought I'd follow my daily ritual and try :)
10:42.18dpb_ah
10:42.37[pablo]and it does come with an awesome mounting kit =)
10:44.26Khertanlardman > don't say it but i ve try too this morning :)
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11:06.35Spakman_Khertan: have you been using libosso in Ruby?
11:06.39Spakman_hello, BTW :)
11:07.30RocketmanAnyone know how to set the 810's keyboard backlight to have a longer time-out
11:07.35Rocketman?
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11:15.04alteregoHmmm .. Alt+shift+tab isn't working >:(
11:20.21alteregoIt's gonna be wacky fun!
11:21.05KhertanSpakman_ > i ve never use ruby to code anything else than desktop widget :)
11:22.44Spakman_did the widget use libosso?
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11:44.29lardmanoh dear, looks like my memcpy problem might be because something's sitting in extended memory :(
11:45.07lardmanfar_peek, far_poke, looks painful
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11:46.53pupnikwow
11:51.10lardmanI wonder what extended memory means in this context?
11:51.46lardmanI was thinking the shared system memory mapped via the mmu, but I'm sure that works without these far_*() calls (i.e. ipbuf stuff)
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11:54.40lardmanhmm, yes the ipbuf section is in EXTMEM2
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11:55.42alteregoNo such luck ..
11:57.30lardmanWhen using P2 Restricted Mode hardware all C-accessible data objects must reside on the 64K-word data page zero.
11:58.32Spakman_hey alterego. I'm trying to top an aplpication via libosso, but I'm getting an exception I don't understand: #<TypeError: wrong argument type String (expected Data)>. What is a Data? I've just been passing the string name of the application.
11:58.35hahloCan I write sms with os2007 and send it with bt to some phone which delivers it further?
11:58.48lardmanyes, use gnokii
11:59.22hahlothanks
11:59.25alteregoSpakman_, can I see your code?
12:00.09alteregoActually, there's not much I can do right now. All my ruby-maemo stuff is on a different machine :/
12:01.04Spakman_alterego: OSSO::Application.top "knowway", nil
12:02.50hahlolardman: from where I find gnokii for os2007?
12:03.49lardmanfor the 770 it's here: http://trifinite.org/trifinite_downloads.html
12:03.54lardmanbut I just compiled it myself
12:04.02alteregoSpakman_, it should work ..
12:04.11lardmanor rather when I wanted to try it I compiled it myself
12:04.59lardmanhttp://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/communications?org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page=2
12:05.02lardmanphonelink
12:05.12lardmanused libgnokii and should be compiled for os2007
12:05.50hahlothanks again
12:05.56lardmannp
12:07.21alteregoInteresting ..
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12:08.28alteregoOh ..
12:08.31alteregoI see the problem.
12:08.40alteregoSpakman_, you're using the wrong api ..
12:08.52Spakman_proxy method instead?
12:08.58alteregoSpakman_, context.application.top "whatever"
12:09.08alteregoYes, otherwise you need to supply the context/
12:09.23alteregoI thought that nil looked weird in your code ;)
12:09.32alteregoOSSO::Application.top context, "blah"
12:09.44alteregoOr: context.application.top "blah"
12:11.08alteregoFancy you doing that wrong on the best documented ruby-maemo module ^_^
12:11.51Spakman_:)
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12:12.41alteregoI'm glad it wasn't a bug though. As I've not setup scratchbox yet.
12:12.55alteregoI'm building the VE for scratchbox now though.
12:13.07Spakman_ah, cool
12:13.25Spakman_hmm, I don't get the exception anymore (or any exception, for that matter), but my app isn't topped
12:13.26alteregoI'm loving this KVM stuff ..
12:13.53Spakman_alterego: yes, I just started using KVM too, it's great
12:14.25pupnikFri Dec 14 13:13:06 CET 2007
12:14.30alteregoIt took about 10 minutes to install XP.
12:14.38alteregoNot sure what I'm gonna do with it though ^_^
12:21.29Spakman_alterego: in my Ruby desktop plugin, I can enable it and it works fine. Then I disable it (also fine) and try to re-enable it and the whole GUI restarts. Anything obvious I'm doing wrong?
12:22.10alteregoNot that I can think of. My test plugin seems to work fine ..
12:22.31alteregoI should get my ass in gear and release 0.4.1 it stops crashes and gives you error messages.
12:23.16Spakman_ah, cool
12:23.57alteregoYeah, it's nice. Though the current error reporting strategy is a bit messy. So I need to work on that.
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12:25.02alteregoI plan on creating a ruby daemon, which is launched when a ruby app is started. That daemon will handle error reporting. But I'm not going to work on that for a while. So I need to make the error reporting strategy with that in mind.
12:26.16alteregoI see planet maemo is down again ..
12:26.19timelesshello world
12:26.22alteregoWell, not updating ..
12:26.30timelesscan someone talk me through deb packaging? :)
12:26.35alteregotimeless, sure :)
12:26.41alteregoIt's quite simple really.
12:27.01timelessalterego: hello, i'm timeless (not root)
12:27.11timelessi want to make a .deb on a device where i am timeless (not root)
12:27.19timelessthe file i want the deb to install needs to be root (not timeless)
12:27.22alteregoOh, _on_ the device ..
12:27.27Spakman_alterego: error reporting sounds good
12:27.31timelesswell, in a debian world
12:27.41alteregoHave you ran dh_make ?
12:27.49timelessno :)
12:28.07alteregoFirstly, go into your source root directory.
12:28.28timelessi don't have sources :)
12:28.50alteregoHow is your package organised then?
12:29.01timelessDEBIAN/*, tmp/*
12:34.25inztimeless, you're using tar, gzip and ar to create packages?
12:34.25timelessi suppose i need a debian/rules file
12:34.26timelessinz: dunno
12:34.26timelesslooks like dpkg-deb -b :)
12:34.26timelessbut so far i haven't actually had any files i need to install :)
12:34.26inzmmh -- usually you don't use low level stuff like that
12:34.26timelessis rules used to make the build env?
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12:36.50inztimeless, rules usually builds the binaries (configure, make) and then uses multitude of debian helpers to create the package itself
12:36.50pupnikPlease fasten your seat belts.
12:36.50alterego:)
12:37.05timelessso ....
12:37.17timelesshow do i make the file ownership say root/root?
12:37.17timelessdrwxr-xr-x timeless/other    0 2007-12-14 05:19:33 ./tmp/usr/lib/
12:37.29timelessis not what i want :)
12:37.55halleychmod?
12:38.08timelesshalley: mod is for xrw and friends
12:38.08timelessand i'm not root
12:38.08timelessi'm timeless
12:39.11halleyWhy did my fingers say chmod when I meant to say chown?  You can't give a file to root.  Root can take a file.
12:39.16suihkulokkirafl: fakeroot
12:39.20dpb_that's why package building it run with fakeroot or something similar
12:39.24suihkulokkis/rafl/timeless/
12:39.33timelesshalley: i said i'm not root :)
12:39.33suihkulokkifuck the bots
12:39.57timeless-bash: fakeroot: command not found
12:40.11alteregoUh oh ..
12:40.18halleyugh
12:40.20dpb_well that needs to be installed then.. :)
12:40.23alteregoAre you in the SDK?
12:40.29timeless/DEBIAN$ apt-cache search fakeroot|wc -l
12:40.30timeless0
12:40.32timelessno?
12:40.42timelessi hope i didn't mean to imply i was :)
12:40.46halleys/ugh/infobot is a piece of useless dung/
12:40.48timelesserr
12:41.01timelessi hope i didn't imply that i was
12:41.04dpb_what distro are you using?
12:41.08timelessnexenta :)
12:41.23suihkulokkiI suggest you follow the instructions literally instead of trying to reinvent the wheel without clue :)
12:41.38timelessliterally?
12:42.27timelessthere has to be some simple way to change permissions of files inside an ar[chive]
12:42.39dpb_weird if a debian based distro doesn't have fakeroot...
12:43.37timelessi'm not quite sure it fits the traditional definition of debian based distro
12:43.48timelessbecause usually when people say that, they mean debian gnu linux based distro
12:43.50timelessand this isn't that :)
12:44.35dpb_I wonder if they build all packages as root then..
12:45.09timelesss/scratchbox/dung/
12:45.55dpb_"gain-root-command might typically be fakeroot, sudo, super or really." <- does it have super or really then? :)
12:47.00alteregoSpakman_, is there an easy way to share files between host and guest OS'?
12:47.28alteregoI should probably just setup networking properly and give access to an NFS server ..
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12:51.47Spakman_alterego: I've only done it via networking. I imagine, you could do something better though
12:54.23alteregoRight
12:54.37alteregoI think I'll just setup networking. It's something I'll end up using extensively anyway.
12:55.05alteregoProbably use samba instead of NFS. To work with windows better ..
12:56.10tontsaif you are using vmware it has it's own samba integration
12:56.25alteregoKVM
12:56.45tontsaoh no idea how that beast works
12:56.54alterego:)
12:57.00alteregoMe either, but it's magick :D
12:57.42robtayloralterego: can't you have a device thats mounted on both os's?
12:58.22robtaylor(with some LVM magic, i expect)
12:58.48alteregoMaybe, I've really just started using it ..
12:59.03melmothproblem is to find a filsystem that can handle such a situation.
12:59.20melmothonly one i know is GFS. using plain and simple nfs or samba would be easier
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13:00.21alteregoYeah, I'll be using a bit of both. I'm gonna stick my home directory under an NFS mount and then have a storage partition exported with samba.
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13:08.04solmumahaoh dear
13:08.31solmumahaportupgrade broke my freebsd
13:15.48alteregoKewl scratchbox is setup :)
13:16.37solmumahaalterego: a weekly thing? ;)
13:16.49alteregoNo, just got a new desktop.
13:17.01alteregoPlaying around with guest OSes using KVM
13:17.08alteregoSetup one for my maemo SDK.
13:17.15alterego(Also playing with compiz) ..
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13:17.49alteregoThis is going to make my life a _lot_ easier .. (KVM that is) :)
13:18.53solmumahai thought you wanted a laptop
13:19.15alteregoYeah, I'm still getting a laptop. But this hardware was free ^_^
13:20.51solmumahastole it?
13:22.10alteregoNo, it was hidden in a 2U rack mount housing that work were chucking out.
13:22.22alteregoSo I was like, "Can I have this?" .. they said .. "Sure!"
13:30.46Spakman_alterego: do I need to do anything to unregister my plugin? If I remove it via the applets menu and try to start it again, I get this exception:
13:30.55Spakman_#<OSSO::InitError: OSSO has already been initialized.>
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13:31.57KhertanSpakman_ > and on real n800 this crash the whole desktop :)
13:32.27alteregoHeh
13:32.34Khertanalterego > no news about new ruby version with powerfull rulezall desktop binding ? :)
13:32.47alteregoNo news is good news :P
13:32.54alteregoI'm working "silently" on it ;)
13:32.56Khertanright
13:33.12alteregoI've not finished setting up my SDK yet ;)
13:33.37Khertanjust for information, yesterday i ve learned a bit more ruby and i've seen this sleep kernel method ...
13:34.08Khertanso why not make a glib::timeout ... destroy it a call a while(true) loop with a sleep timeout ...
13:34.13Khertanthat s a real bad idea :)
13:34.31Khertanthis eat up cpu ... and freeze all things :)
13:34.37alteregoHeh
13:34.55Khertani ve tryed a restart ... hum ... freeze when maemo-desktop is launch
13:35.04Khertanso i ve think ... hum i ll try by ssh at home
13:35.15Khertanand when i was at home ... (20min later)
13:35.32Khertani ve see that maemo-desktop has kill the widget ... :)
13:35.34Khertangreat :)
13:35.44Khertanand all work again ...
13:36.12Khertans/has kill/has killed
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13:41.47Spakman_does anyone know if I need to do anything in my application to handle a "top" signal via OSSO, or is it all taken care of?
13:42.36alteregoIt's all taken care of.
13:43.53Spakman_how can my application top itself (er... so to speak ;))
13:45.01inzSpak, please don't
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13:48.35alteregoYeah .. Just use libnotify ..
13:48.46alteregoApplications that top themselves are damn annoying.
13:48.56alteregoLike MicroB ..
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13:51.49Spakman_alterego, inz: I was planning to self top when I received an RPC via libosso.
13:52.30Spakman_since context.application.top "myapp" doesn't seem to do anything (but my RPC is working)
13:53.22alteregoWhy would you recieve an RPC?
13:57.24Spakman_alterego: to explain, I have a desktop plugin that acts as a search interface to my main app. Once I cilck on a search result, I'd like my app to jump to the result (via a callback/rpc) and then come to the top. I've tried this by calling context.application.top "myapp" from the plugin, but without success. My app jumps to the result OK, but doesn't get topped.
13:57.48alteregoHmmm ..
13:58.19alteregoWell, that sounds like an issue with LibOSSO not my bindings.
13:58.30alteregoYou would have thought that top would top an application that's already running.
13:59.23Spakman_do I need to pass anything other than the application name? What sort of things would be in the second argument?
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14:05.07Takdamn, writing a ruby library wrapper is a black art
14:05.23alteregoHeh
14:05.27alteregoWhat are you trying to do Tak?
14:06.26alteregoSpakman_, top just calls a program via the command line. The second argument is parameters to the command.
14:06.26Takheh, right now I'm just trying to get a class to show up inside a module
14:06.30alteregoIf you want to put your window at the top of the stack. You're probably looking for something in Gtk.
14:06.49Takeventually I was going to write a wrapper for lightmediascanner
14:06.50alteregoTak, rb_define_class_under(module, "ClassName", rb_cObject);
14:07.07Takyeah, I did that, but it doesn't show up under irb after I compile, etc
14:07.25alteregoCan I see the code?
14:08.20Takhmm - the problem is with my C
14:08.43Takif I make everything nonstatic, it's happy
14:09.02alteregoYeah, show me the code :P
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14:10.40Takhttp://rafb.net/p/xf21SV30.html
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14:11.50|tbb|anyone got adblock on os2008 running?
14:11.55Mikhowould somebody know where could I find instructions how to play simple sound clips in maemo?
14:12.05alteregoEesh, C++ comments in C code ..
14:12.10alteregoAre you insane? :P
14:12.25Mikhowhat's wrong with c++ comments?
14:12.28TakI refuse to use the retarded c-style comments
14:12.35|tbb|dont have the red ball which is descriped here http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/
14:12.39MikhoTak, I agree
14:13.04inzMikho, #include <hildon/hildon-sound.h> hildon_play_system_sound("simple_sound_clip.wav");
14:13.22Mikhooh
14:13.24alteregoMeh, I'd never use C++ comments in C code.
14:13.26alteregoIt's wrong.
14:13.32Mikhoalterego, you're wrong
14:13.34alteregoAnd likely to break something if you ever need to port your code.
14:13.44derfMikho: No. He's not.
14:13.45Mikho:P
14:13.47alteregoJust because GCC "allows" it ..
14:13.49Takthere is no modern C compiler that does not support C++-style comments
14:13.56sKaBoy|tbb|, do you see adblock in the components list? try to load a new page (ex. www.google.com) and look in the bottom right corner.. in the html page, not in the toolbar
14:13.58derfTak: Yes. There is.
14:14.11Mikhowhich compilers refuse to take them?
14:14.14Takderf: I suspect you and I will disagree on what qualifies as "modern" then ;-)
14:14.21derfLots of embedded toolchains.
14:14.28inzMikho, do note that hildon_play_system_sound respects the "system sound" volume level setting
14:14.28Takjust be glad I'm not writing to C99 :-P
14:14.31Mikhonever seen one
14:14.42alteregoYou're not?
14:14.43Mikhoinz, thanks
14:14.46alteregoYou should :P
14:14.49Takwtf
14:14.51fcrozat|tbb|: same problem as you :)
14:14.56TakC++-style comments are part of C00
14:14.59Taks/00/99
14:15.19alteregoExactly ..
14:15.46Takso...I /should/ write to C99, but I /shouldn't/ use C++ comments...
14:15.48sbzwith -ansi, gcc doesn't accept any C++ comments :)
14:16.05alteregoIf c99 says C++ comments are okay. Then code in C99 ..
14:16.10Takmeh
14:16.16sKaBoyfcrozat, i see it! and then i've disabled the shortcut.. it was over the scrollbar..
14:16.32fcrozathmm, let's try again
14:16.45fcrozatbtw, the latest greasemonkey package is not installable
14:16.52alteregoWhy are you declaring a static variable in the header file ?
14:17.10TakI'll distribute a shell script with my source that changes the comment style :-P
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14:17.18alteregoHah
14:17.37alteregoI'll add a filter to my SVN if you're going to use it :P
14:17.42Mikhoprobably even saves time
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14:18.34Mikhoinz, is there a how-to page or other documentation about the sound system somewhere? Can't find it...
14:19.00inzMikho, depends on which sound system you want to use ;)
14:19.23Mikhohildon/hildon-sound.h and so on
14:19.48inzMikho, well, if you read the header file itself, you'll see that there really is not anything else than the _play_system_sound
14:20.36inzMikho, hildon_play_system_sound uses esd, for esd I've found the best documentation to be the header file
14:20.56Mikhoi see
14:21.01fcrozatsKaBoy: no scrollbar here
14:21.04inzMikho, and if you want to use gstreamer (which might be a leetle overkill for playing simple sounds), it probably has some decent documentation somewhere
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14:21.28sKaBoyfcrozat, do you see adblock in components list?
14:21.34fcrozatno
14:21.44sKaBoyoh
14:21.46fcrozatand it is correctly installed
14:21.54sKaBoyrestarted browser ?
14:21.56fcrozatI rebooted my n800 :)
14:22.00sKaBoyok :)
14:22.05sKaBoydunno then! it works fine for me!
14:22.16fcrozatgreasemonkey uninstalled too
14:22.26Mikhook. Although I have a slight problem of not having speakers in my work computer...
14:22.32sKaBoyi don't have greasemonkey too.. only adblockplus
14:22.48fcrozatI uninstalled both and only reinstalled adblock, no success
14:22.55sKaBoyi have a n800 with os2008
14:23.00lardmanah well I use C++ comments in C code
14:23.16fysaalterego, you notice a difference with the renderdelay setting you changed the other day?
14:23.25fcrozatsKaBoy: same here :)
14:23.27lardmanand... the data are now being read correctly! yay! but the byte reading code is not returning what it should
14:23.41sKaBoyfcrozat, then.. file a bug :)
14:23.52inzMikho, esd is really simple for simple tasks -- you can play a sound (in a blocking way) with one function call
14:24.42lardmanhttp://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/error2.txt
14:24.57fcrozatsKaBoy: where ? bug report interface has not been enabled on garage for browser-extras :(
14:25.20inzMikho, non-blocking requires n+2
14:25.23Mikhohrm, I'd actually want non-blocking
14:25.46inzMikho, sorry, n+4, but anyway
14:25.57lardmanexpected order is: 79, 103, 103, 83; which works when you read the buffer directly, but the byte reading code seems to switch each 16bit chunk round to bigendian mode
14:27.01lardmanperhaps it's an interaction between the endianness of the Neuros processor and the DSP
14:27.14Mikhon+4?
14:36.49|tbb|fcrozat: good to hear
14:36.52Mikhoah, found much more info by searching "EsounD" than esd
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14:40.19Spakman_Can anyone tell me how to self-top my app? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#AppTopping suggests that's it's possible...
14:40.46Spakman_...but I don't know how :( - what is a "standard X message"?
14:46.33lardmanhmm, I think I might be able to fix my problem with a one character change to oggbyte_readi() (the character being a !)
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14:53.11nomisfcrozat: neither in the german one.
14:53.31fcrozathopefully tomorrow..
14:53.42fcrozatsince it is supposed to be the deadline
15:02.55lopzre
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15:13.53Khertansomeone know what is the lib version of pygtk on the last pymaemo release ,
15:13.54Khertan?
15:23.25sKaBoyKhertan, dpkg reports 2.12.0
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15:35.08Khertanok thanks
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15:40.10lardmanSo do we reckon the codes will start working at 12 midnight GMT?
15:40.25alteregoHah, like f*ck they will :P
15:40.37alteregoI doubt they'll be working until Monday.
15:41.04alteregos/Monday/January 2009/
15:41.11lardmanhmm
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15:41.38lardmanwell there's no reason to expect them to not meet the target they set
15:41.49alteregoOne would presume they said the 15th as a buffer for the changes in timezones. I'd also guess they were planning on getting it done _today_ ..
15:42.04alteregoWhat, mid-November?
15:42.13alteregoMaybe they meant 2008 ..
15:42.20lardmanFrom my read it was *by* the 15th, so I'd assumed various stores would come online before then
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15:42.56fcrozatwell, it has started appearing on many european shops since last saturday
15:43.41fcrozats/shops/nokia webshops/
15:43.50KhertanProduct not found.
15:43.56fcrozatinfobot: thanks :p
15:43.56infobotfcrozat: gern geschehen
15:43.58Khertanstill not available from france ;)
15:44.19fcrozatKhertan: it is available on nokia france website, but full price only :p
15:44.50alteregoYeah, it's on nokia.co.uk's shop
15:45.08alteregoMaybe it does work and I'm ordering it wrong.
15:45.12Khertanfcrozat > yes of course ... i'm talking about this famous direct.nokia.com store where i suppose discount code will work
15:45.27fcrozatKhertan: no, this shop is closed for France now
15:45.34alteregoI presumed the "promotion code" field was where we enter the code. But maybe it's not. I've not bothered checking out properly ..
15:45.37fcrozatyou are supposed to go to boutique.nokia.com now
15:45.48fcrozatsorry, .fr
15:46.20fcrozatI called Nokia Direct in belgium on wednesday (for another other)) and they told me they don't manage the new french webshop
15:46.27fcrozats/other/order/
15:46.33derfWhen I ordered my N800, I had to call them up and do it over the phone.
15:46.42derfI never got the discount code to work with the online shop.
15:46.44alteregoHoly sh*t, Nokia say that the final ordering date to get products before Christmas is the 16th!
15:46.59derfEven the guy I called had to transfer me to three different people before they found one who had any idea what I was talking about.
15:47.08alteregoHas anyone tried ordering it over the phone yet? :)
15:47.11Khertanalterego > lol
15:47.22Khertannot me ... but maybe we should try :)
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15:47.34fcrozatalterego: or 19th if you pay express shipping :)
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15:47.37alteregoYes .. Maybe we sould ..
15:47.47derfI mean, the N810 codes aren't active yet, are they?
15:47.53Khertanbut haven't the time now :)
15:47.54fcrozatderf: no
15:48.02fcrozatbut you credit card code is already active :)
15:48.08alteregoI'm not paying £10 just because Nokia use crap expensive mailing people.
15:49.02alteregoI bet they plan on getting it done by tomorrow. But something'll screw up and we wont get devices before Christmas.
15:49.37alteregoThere are people all over the world that have N810's already. And those of us that are the fortunate 500 are stuck waiting.
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15:49.54alteregoNot the best of stratagies me things.
15:49.55fcrozaton the other hand, we are getting a discount, it is already a nice thing
15:49.57alterego~thinks ..
15:50.16alteregoSure, but all those people that already have tablets and no software are losing out.
15:50.31fcrozatyou don't need a n810 to develop on it ;)
15:50.31derfWhat are you talking about? The development environment is there.
15:50.41derfSurely you didn't want to _run_ your software before releasing it?
15:50.43alteregofcrozat, yes you do.
15:50.58alteregoHow can you develop on something you don't have?
15:51.06alteregoSure, you can develop _in_ the SDK ..
15:51.18alteregoBut I can't write Ruby apps _on_ a device I don't have :P
15:51.42derfSounds like a personal problem to me.
15:52.10fcrozatderf: like children waiting for their christmas present :)
15:52.56alteregoI don't really mind. But if this is the last device that's going to have a developer/device program, I think they could have had a slightly better strategy.
15:54.02Khertanwhat i think is this device isn't only for dev ...
15:54.17Khertanthere is blogger too which have get a discount code
15:54.18alteregoEh?
15:54.35Khertanso i think they wait until a more stable os2008 release
15:54.43alteregoWhat?
15:54.47alteregoThat makes no sense ..
15:54.52Khertanto be sure there is less bad comment
15:54.53Khertanin blog
15:54.56alteregoYou can already buy N810's ..
15:55.01alteregoIt's the developers that can't ..
15:55.01tontsaos2008 is pretty stable except for the bluetooth.. atleast when connected to E70
15:55.22alteregoDevelopers/Contributors.
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15:56.05tontsawell just this week those n810 started pouring to .fi shops, before it was few units here and there
15:56.20Khertanpss : i ve take a look at the Karma on maemo.org ... hum ... i think it need some adjustement
15:56.55Khertani'm in the top 25 with a 265 karma point ... and you alterego you have only something around 67...
15:57.33alterego69
15:57.35Khertanand your ruby port is most precious than my little small applications ...
15:57.51Khertan(arround doesn't remember)
15:57.58lardmanI've been knocked off the front page!
15:58.03lardmanoh well
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15:59.41lardmanSomeone send me an IM for the first time today (on the N800 that is)
15:59.57lardmanI was quite impressed, except that it will be muich nicer with a keyboard so you can see the screen
16:01.01Khertan:)
16:01.03alteregoKhertan, my karma seems about right. I do watch it pretty closely.
16:01.54alteregoSo, who's gonna stay up till midnight and try and place an order?
16:02.06alteregoI'm out this evening, but I'll try when I get back ^_^
16:02.09Khertanwhat i mean is that your karma point should be higher ...
16:02.16Khertani'm out too ....
16:02.28fysawhoop, crashed
16:02.31alteregoKhertan, sure. Unfortunately whatever God that maemo believes in isn't all seeing ;)
16:02.43lardmanmidnight gmt I can manage, not sure about midnight Finnish time tho
16:02.52lardmanoh, that's earlier isn;'t it
16:03.03lardmanbeen a long day, time to go home me thinks
16:03.07fysaalterego, get my message on that about:config paintdelay setting?
16:03.12Khertanlardman > it france midnight - 1
16:03.16alteregoYeah, we should check now. It's midnight already in Australia.
16:03.25Khertanit s france midnight - 1 hours :)
16:03.45alterego"The coupon code that you have entered is invalid"
16:03.48alterego:(
16:03.50Khertanlol
16:03.54Takare we comparing timezones now?  mine's bigger!
16:04.06lardmanah, but mine's the original ;)
16:04.27alteregoIt's actually 3am in Melbourne ..
16:04.47Khertan5am here
16:05.01alteregoThis kind of reminds me when you're a kid, and you wait up sitting under the Christmas tree for Santa ^_^
16:05.33Khertanright :)
16:05.52alteregoWhere are you Khertan?
16:06.02lardmanNZ?
16:06.03alteregoIt's 5am in NZ ..
16:06.34lardman5am on a school/work night!
16:06.40Khertanalterego > remember than when you apply for the dev program you have choose a nokia store
16:06.49alteregoThink of all those Russians and Chinese trying to order N810's _right_ now :D
16:06.52Khertanso i think code is ok only for this store.
16:07.07alteregoKhertan, sure. And I chose the UK shop.
16:07.27Khertanoups i mean 5pm
16:07.48alteregoKhertan, oh. Well you're still in the 14th
16:08.00alteregoI'm saying there are quite a few countries now that are in the 15th ..
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16:08.39fnordianslipHi.  My first ever time using IRC is a question about OS2008 on n800...
16:08.48Khertanin the 14th ?
16:09.15alteregoThe date, where _you_) are!
16:09.20Khertanah !
16:09.21Khertan:)
16:09.27Khertan14th :(
16:09.44fnordianslipTrying to upgrade libsofia-sip-ua0 but have strange dependency problem.
16:10.08lardmanKhertan: so you're not in NZ then, it all becomes clear
16:10.20fnordianslipanyone else seen it?
16:10.36lardmanfnordianslip: what's the error?
16:10.49lardmanif it's long use pastebin
16:11.20Khertanlardman > no i'm not in nz :)
16:11.35Khertanjust try to cheat with proxy ... but code refused :)
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16:12.33alteregoHeh
16:12.44alteregoThat wouldn't work if the codes are locked to location anyway ..
16:12.58Khertanyes
16:13.08Khertanit was i remember me the location pref when i apply :)
16:13.13alteregoWhat we need to do is phone a fortunate 500 in NZ ..
16:13.21Khertanlol
16:13.30lardmanI doubt they'd be happy being woken at 5am :)
16:13.33alteregoOr Aus, or China ..
16:13.42alteregoIt's only midnight in China ..
16:13.42fnordianslipin AppMan, dependency shown to libsofia-sip-ua0(=1.12.6-0osso8) ...
16:13.48alteregoI'm sure there are plenty of Chinese awake.
16:13.59Khertani think that we will get a new os2008 release today too ... but it 's 18pm in finland ... so not today
16:14.13lardmanor, we could wait <8hrs 'till the 15th starts in GMT
16:14.21fnordianslipthink the '=' character might be causing the problem, as i seem to have the right lib already
16:14.42Takfnordianslip: that means it depends on that specific version of that package
16:15.01Khertanlardman > too long ... have you never to find xmas package before xmas when you ve been a kid ? :)
16:15.12Khertans/never/never try
16:15.24alteregoCool, ad blocker for microb ..
16:15.27lardmanKhertan: yeah, I know, but I've waited this long, a little longer won't hurt me
16:15.55Khertanyeah ... me too :)
16:16.13Khertanbut funny to chat about :)
16:16.50lardmanfnordianslip: you said you're trying to upgrade libsofia-sip-ua0? Why? The error message is for some other package presumably, is it saying that no it won't upgrade as something else needs that version?
16:17.35fnordiansliptak: tnx.  I grok that, but wonder if that = needs to be there, as the dependency is satified, the osso8 0acakg3 8s 8ns5all3d.  is the '=' a typo somewhere
16:18.05fnordianslipoops. damn su8w kebd takes some getting used to.
16:18.21alteregoWaste of money.
16:18.25fnordiansliplol
16:18.58alteregoI opted for a 21cm wide USB micro keyboard ..
16:19.10alteregoIt's perfect. Has _all_ the buttons on a regular qwerty ..
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16:20.01fnordianslipi don't know which package pulled the sofia stuff in, but it won't upgrade and I think the package metadata has a typo
16:20.07Takfnordianslip: the syntax looks right to me
16:20.25Takbecause it can also be >, <, >=, <=, ...
16:20.34lardmanif it really depends on that version then the metadata are correct, but usually one sees >= I think
16:20.57lardmananyway, home time, bye chaps
16:21.25fnordianslipk. i'll investigate further. tnx.
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16:27.07Khertani'll go to home ... bye
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16:30.04fnordianslipregarding my lib-sofia-ua0 problem.  the lib is present and shown by AppMan as being present.  What might be wrong?  Can I force the upgrade somehow using apt-get?
16:31.07fnordiansliper.  got the lib name wrong in last msg.
16:31.32fnordianslipi'll do it right if anone cares...
16:32.22flip^is there any news on when n800 users will get a non-beta release of os2008?
16:32.43Khertanflip^ > in few times
16:34.16flip^in few times?
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16:34.42sKaBoyfnordianslip, appmamnager tells you that a program that you are installing/uphrading requires that library at that exact version and you don't have it.. so.. what you are installing/upgrading?
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16:35.09marcelohi
16:35.20marcelohas anyone flashed a n810 in macOS X?
16:37.59fnordianslipsKaBoy.  Do you like Ska?  I'm just trying to run the upgrades offered in AppMan (Red Pill).  Seems that the dependency is satisfied from wot i can tell, but neither AppMan nor apt-get will install it.
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16:40.07Takmaybe he likes Ka
16:40.34fnordianslipthe Ford thingy?  I shouldnt think so.
16:40.50sKaBoynah, the music :)
16:41.08fnordianslipKa?  music?
16:41.16Takno, not the ford thingy
16:41.23Takthe thingy from The Dark Tower
16:41.28sKaBoyfnordianslip, don't know then..
16:41.35fnordiansliplol.  Come from Coventry and met most of the Specials.
16:41.36sKaBoyska, the music!
16:41.48sKaBoycool
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16:41.57fnordiansliplong time ago tho
16:42.45fnordianslipso, can i force the package upgrade thu apt-get?
16:42.58rothielbonne soirée les gens
16:44.10red-zackmh, what do i need to watch youtube vids on my 770?
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16:44.53Takheh, jour ici
16:45.31pupnikred-zack: i download em and run mplayer - you can also download the python script "youtube-dl" and i think uktube works on 770 also
16:46.22red-zackpupnik: sure, a vid downloader is possible. but watch them directly via web, /java/flash/wackowacko/foo isnt?
16:46.23TakI wonder if the videodownloader extension(s) would work with microb
16:46.45TakI think youtube requires a newer version of flash than is available for 770
16:46.50pupniki installed flash9 on opera (i think) - lemme try for fun
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16:48.31pupniki'm bummed, nokia.de now has N810s but no email about activation code
16:48.36pupnikshould i just call the store?
16:48.48pupnikand try to give my code?
16:50.15pupnikyoutube in browser not showing video red-zack
16:50.20pupnikit's all corrupted
16:50.36red-zackgr
16:51.04fysavideo downloader with a couple of mods would be perfect for youtube.
16:51.14red-zackno youporn and no youtube. gr
16:51.19__Handful__has anyone tried flashing the n810 with that flasher-macosx?
16:51.32red-zackvid dl are pissing me
16:52.09fysathen spend money and get a new maemo device
16:52.23red-zackgr, money, grr.
16:52.24fysayou didn't buy the 770 on the promise of flash pornography.
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16:53.12red-zack"wuuhh pornography"
16:53.29Takfysa: maybe YOU didn't!
16:54.11fysa{QQ}
16:54.13pupnikit's not like you can't download them.
16:54.30fysadownload a bunch on your PC, then use mplayer to watch them.
16:57.59fnordianslipHandful: not an 810 but an 800 with OS2008 - works fine on intel
16:58.42fysaI can tell now that moving downwind walking distance of a half-dozen delicious restaurants is going to be very bad.
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17:03.08Takany lightmediascanner people about?
17:03.12__Handful__fnordianslip: yes.. I used also =) but now.. quite "scare"
17:03.16__Handful__Tak: maybe me
17:03.43__Handful__Tak: do you need something?
17:03.54__Handful__I think gustavo uploaded the packages yesterday to garage
17:04.37TakI'm wondering - is there a way to add an already-instantiated parser?  e.g. an lms_plugin_t* instance, rather than a .so path?
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17:05.23Tak...and would this be a better conversation for #canola ?
17:05.46fnordianslipHandful: not sure what you mean ???
17:06.56__Handful__fnordianslip: I am scare to try with the n810
17:07.31__Handful__Tak: well for that I think you will need to email gustavo ( barbieri@gmail.com ) maybe he can answer you in a couple hours
17:08.18fnordianslipwell, i thought i'd bricked this n800 a few times, but flashing has always worked for me from Linux and MacIntel
17:09.08Takit's not a fantastically huge deal - I'll catch him when he's around
17:11.27__Handful__ok =)
17:11.47__Handful__fnordianslip: yeah =) thanks for the info.. I think I will try it later heeheh
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17:12.29fnordianslipare u gonna dual boot or is there an upgrade for th 810?
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17:14.36__Handful__I just want a clean install
17:14.38pupnikhmm, i can see the fnordianslip!
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17:15.15__Handful__I want to test canola2 on the n810 (there was only one) and it was there before I started the last trip
17:16.57fnordianslipI don't expect you'll have any problems then.
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17:17.57fnordianslipits flasher-2.0.macosx i've been using
17:18.19Andy80hi all
17:19.01__Handful__fnordianslip: thanks.. I will test it today =)
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17:34.25giskardciao andrea
17:34.33giskardi read your post about nokia italia ;)
17:35.02giskardthank you for give us hope
17:35.03giskard;)
17:35.30Andy80hi :)
17:35.45Andy80but I've the same informations that all have
17:35.47Andy80nothing more
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17:51.48ustunozgurhi friends; i have purchased an n800 but since I'm not in US I made it sent to a friend in US. However, she says that the device couldnt recognize the wireless networks around except two. Since I dont have access to the device now, what are the options and possible reasons? do you think it would be solved by a software update?
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17:52.01lardmanderf: do you happen to know whether there's an explanation of the ogg crc algorithm floating around somewhere?
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17:52.46dragornAnyone know any tricks for speeding up cairo rendering on maemo?
17:52.59dragorn(code-wise, I mean)
17:53.27dragornRight now I'm doing offscreen rendering to a cairo surface then blitting that across as the gtk update event
17:53.38lardmanah ha, this might be just the thing for me http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/framing.html
17:54.33ustunozgurcan it be due to 802.11n?
17:54.57dragorn11n would have little to nothing to do with it
17:55.03fysaan 802.11n router may need to be set to g/n mode
17:55.18dragornif you're trying t connect to a specific network known to be 11n, yes
17:55.24fysabroadcast SSID may be turned off, which wouldn't keep the device from connecting
17:55.27dragornit would have to allow 11g clients.
17:55.30fysabut would keep it from finding the network
17:56.05dragornfysa: Depends on the filtering methods in the display.  Strictly speaking, no.  If the maemo display code filters out HT-only networks, then yes.
17:56.07ustunozgurok, thanks. is there a way to understand if the connection is 802.11n or not without going to router settings?
17:56.48dragornif the complaint is simply "not seeing a lot of networks around", which is how I interpreted it, unless you're not seeing a known network, that's a fuzzy thing to diagnose
17:57.27fysathere's not
17:57.32fysayou need to get into the router settings and check.
17:57.53fysathere was a bug where the N800 could not see any networks if it was in range of an incompatible draft n netowrk.
17:57.55ustunozgurdragorn: and also given that it doesnt see a lot and the probability of them being all 11n is low i guess
17:58.08ustunozgurok, thanks.
17:58.15fysatry setting the router to G *only* first
17:58.24fysaand make sure broadcast SSID is turned on.
17:58.25dragornfysa: really
17:58.32dragornfysa: I hadn't heard that
17:58.43fysamaybe you should read up on it then :P
17:58.47dragornfysa: That's a good bug, there. :)
17:58.50fysa;)
17:58.55dragornGot a link?
17:59.07fysahttps://maemo.org/bugzilla/
17:59.09fysashould be there
17:59.41dragornyeah I don't have the time to go searching through tht, I'll just bring up some HT networks and see what happens
17:59.47ustunozguroh then would that mean, even if a neighbour for example had that particular draft n router, it would make n800 blind?
18:00.06ustunozgurstrange
18:00.07fysapossibly(?) -- but I would just try those things first
18:00.14fysa802.11n routers themselves have issues
18:00.31fysasome don't operate properly with n+g simultaneous mode
18:00.44ustunozgurhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1459
18:00.49fysahttps://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=802.11n
18:00.53ustunozguralright, thank you a lot.
18:01.06ustunozguri hope it is not a hardware problem.
18:01.17fysait's firmware-related
18:01.28fysaso it will likely be fixed 'eventually'
18:01.39Tak"could not realloc 'convs': Success"  -- hooray?
18:01.49Andy80does anyone of you use python2.5-gpsbt module?
18:02.34fysahttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1656
18:02.41fysamaybe some info there that can help, similar bug
18:02.46fysa(or dupe)
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18:08.30ustunozgurok, thanks fysa
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18:15.24lardmanhmm, bus error
18:15.31lardman~lart tremor on the dsp
18:15.31infobotsays "boot to the head" and knocks tremor on the dsp over
18:15.37lardman:)
18:15.39lardmannight
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19:39.31skiburany good rss feed link for maemo?
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19:48.06derfdirect algorithm, initial val and final XOR = 0, generator polynomial=0x04c11db7
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20:06.35giskardyeye
20:06.58giskardthe n810 can be purchased also in italy
20:07.47giskardwith the discount  code
20:08.00pupnikhow how hwo how
20:08.17Tak10 goto italy
20:08.19pupnikjust call up the store and give the code?
20:09.28giskardIl codice del buono inserito non è valido. == the code you have inserted is not valid
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20:09.40giskardbuuuuu
20:10.19TakBam!
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20:35.00zapadahow fast can you type on the n800?
20:35.41mgedminvery fast, especially if you've got a full-size usb keyboard :-)
20:36.18zapadawhat if you are just using the touchscreen keyboard?
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20:36.57mgedminspeaking of touchscreen keyboards, the touchscreen on my n800 is off, and I'm unable to calibrate it
20:37.10mgedminthe tap is recognized about half a virtual key's worth to the left
20:37.40zapadaandah
20:37.46zapadaare they all like that?
20:38.44mgedminyes
20:39.03mgedminwith the paint tool, if I pick the largest brush, the end of my stylus is on the rightmost side of the circle
20:39.06mgedminrather than in the center
20:39.15fysawhat happens when you calibrate?
20:39.18mgedminI've tried the screen calibration from the home screen menu a few times, no change
20:39.28mgedminI deliberately tried to miscalibrate once by hitting to the left of the circles
20:39.30mgedminno difference
20:39.33fysaif you can't calibrate properly, try calibrating intentionally off the distance that's wrong
20:39.36fysaah
20:39.40mgedmindo you need to reboot for the calibration settings to take hold?
20:39.52fysanot sure, but worth a shot
20:39.57fysaotherwise you may want to try to backup/reflash
20:40.03zapadaare any of you typing from an n800 righ tnow?
20:40.12zapadawould i be able to keep up with irc chat on my n800?
20:40.18fysanot at the moment.  I use IRC all the time though
20:40.22fysaX-Chat
20:40.43fysait's plenty fast to keep up with a casual conversation.  can get annoying if the conversation gets technical.
20:40.55zapadahow technical?
20:40.55fysaI just brought mine on a business trip as a laptop replacement.
20:41.07zapadadoes it do what most laptops can do?
20:41.10fysawas perfect with an Apple Wireless keyboard
20:41.15fysa(tiny)
20:41.16zapadacan you program on the n800?
20:41.22zapadaor is it too much of a pain to put in brackets and stuff
20:41.34zapadaunless of course you have an external keyboad
20:41.35BeBrawshouldn't py work?
20:41.36fysaI don't suggest you program with the on-screen keyboard.
20:41.47fysamost serious development is done in a VMware instance
20:41.51zapadais it easy to browse websites?
20:42.09fysafor the price I paid at buy.com, I consider it an absolute steal
20:42.14zapadaah, where can i virtualize the n800 os to see what it's like?
20:42.22zapadahow much did you pay?
20:42.33mgedminooh, apple wireless keyboards are sweet
20:42.39fysahttp://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
20:42.42BeBrawif you want to develop software for it, check out scratchbox
20:42.58zapadadoes xfce work well on the os?
20:43.04mgedminI wouldn't say web browsing on a n800 is easy, but it is at least possible
20:43.05fysawith an apple wireless keyboard and ssh, I was able to do 'real work' (programming -- few bug fixes, couple SQL statements)
20:43.17mgedminwell, maybe it is easy too, but it is less convenient than browsing on a laptop
20:43.23zapadahow much does an apple keyboard cost?
20:43.25mgedmincarrying the n800 around, otoh, is much more convenient than a laptop
20:43.37fysathink of it as a 7 year old laptop that fits in your pocket and doesn't have a keyboard ;)
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20:43.47zapadaheh
20:44.01fysaare you new to Linux?
20:44.30zapadame?
20:44.32pupnikDOS is the superior operating system
20:44.44mgedminwas
20:44.55fysayeah, nothing shameful if you're not a Linux pro -- but it helps if you want to tinker around more.
20:44.59pupniki am being silly http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html
20:45.10zapadahow many WPM can you type using the onscreen keyboard
20:45.44fysanever tried testing that
20:46.04zapadaalso, is there a SNES emulator for maemo?
20:46.50fysaI do a 'relaxed' 80-110 on a regular keyboard, no onscreen keyboard will compete with that and I'm never going to try to do development on it without a keyboard.  just get a foldable bluetooth keyboard if you want something small.
20:47.03fysaI can imagine that even the IR keyboard would be quicker.
20:47.20fysacan probably manage 30-40wpm on the N800 I'm guessing
20:47.49fysalike I said, quick enough for a convo but can be frustrating to use SSH from the onscreen
20:48.00zapadaok
20:48.15zapadais it a good device to write notes on?
20:48.27mgedminpencil and paper is better :-)
20:48.49mgedminit's possible, but not necessarily pleasant
20:49.01fysaif you have a keyboard, it's perfect
20:49.04zapadawhat about writing quick notes as reminders?
20:49.08fysaquick notes are fine
20:49.08zapadawould it be easily accessible for that?
20:49.22fysazapada: youtube.com
20:49.24fysasearch for N800
20:49.33fysayou will find a few reviews -- those helped me in making my decision.
20:49.41fysaI bought this one a few months back and use it every single day.
20:50.01fysaI had the first Palm, a couple WinCE devices..  some dotcom-era web 'tablets'
20:50.11fysaand none of those would stick with me.
20:50.21fysaexcuse my language, but fuck 'syncing'
20:50.23zapadaif i use it for IM, and web browsing mostly, how long would the battery last?
20:50.42fysaI can access my google calendar anywhere, I can get my gmail anywhere
20:50.52fysa(I email all notes to myself via gmail and use labels to tag)
20:50.55zapadadoes gmail work nicely on the n800?
20:51.04fysagmail is usable, slightly slow
20:51.13fysa'Modest' is a gmail-compatible client that is much quicker
20:51.16fysaand in beta now
20:51.18zapadacan you run firefox on the n800?
20:51.32fysacomes with MicroB, which is based on the same core as firefox
20:51.41fysacheck
20:51.42fysayoutube.
20:51.43fysawatch those reviews.
20:51.55zapadaok
20:51.57fysaas soon as I watched one or two, I knew it was right for me.
20:52.04fysabefore that it was just a jumble of info in my head.
20:52.14fysait's 100% perfect for IM
20:52.19fysaexcellent for email
20:52.32fysausable for browsing (more so than any other device that size or smaller that I've seen)
20:52.41zapadadoes netvibes.com load?
20:52.45zapadaon the n800
20:52.53zapadait has quite extensive javascript
20:53.10fysaif it works on firefox, it should work on the N800
20:53.23mgedminheh, is IMAP called "gmail-compatible" these days? :)
20:53.44fysamgedmin: now that I get my labels?  yes ;)
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20:53.54mgedminwhen's the official OS2008 upgrade for the N800?
20:54.04fysanot sure
20:54.12mgedminthe older OS came with an Opera-based browser, OS2008 comes with a Mozilla-based one
20:54.33zapadahas anyone here installed a sshd on their n800?
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20:55.12fysayes, works fine
20:55.34fysarsync/scp work
20:56.10zapadais that little camera a separate thing to buy?
20:56.20mgedminno, it's built-in
20:56.28zapadasweet
20:56.41mgedmindoesn't work very well when it's dark
20:56.42mgedminor darkish
20:57.19zapadais the wifi reception good?
20:57.54fysabetter than my laptop was
20:58.12zapadahave you stopped using your laptop because of the n800?
20:59.16fysasold my laptop, got the N800 before getting a replacement, have yet to get a replacement
20:59.38fysaif you do heavy MS Office-type stuff on a laptop, this may not be so hot.
20:59.42zapadai was thinking of buying a laptop recently until i saw someone on campus with an n800 last week
20:59.49fysaso why don't you ask to try it?
21:00.02zapadai don't know who it was
21:00.03Takor mug him and take it
21:00.07zapada:O
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21:00.24fysaor mug him and give it to Tak as a show of good faith
21:00.25zapadawould it be acceptable for sshing into servers for basic admin?
21:00.28Takthat's how I got my 770
21:00.48mgedminAsus Eee PC is also an option if you want a laptop replacement
21:00.58mgedminthat doesn't necessarily have to fit in a pocket
21:01.01zapadahmm
21:01.05zapadaisn't it like $500?
21:01.13fysaI've ssh'd in to reboot servers and check on things, but you will want to keep a bluetooth keyboard handy somewhere.
21:01.14zapadai would rather get the new nokia
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21:01.19mgedminn810 is $480, isn't it?
21:01.20fysaeven if it's just in your glove box.
21:01.27mgedminyeah, n800 is a better deal
21:01.35zapadadoes google maps work well?
21:01.43mgedminn800 doesn't have an RJ-45 jack, though
21:01.57mgedminthere's maemo mapper that can use google maps rather well
21:02.01fysahttp://www.hanno.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/bt-keyboard.jpg
21:02.22pupnikwhy should i buy a n810 when the eee is so much better?
21:02.27Takgoogle maps seems to work ok with microb
21:02.33mgedmineee doesn't fit in a shirt pocket
21:03.41fysaI was thinking about carrying around a fresnel to magnify my N800 screen. ;)
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21:06.52zapadafysa, that looks cute :P
21:07.08zapadahow much does that keyboard cost?
21:07.12fysaamazon.com
21:07.14fysabluetooth keyboard
21:07.17fysafolding bluetooth keyboard
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21:07.34fysaI would suggest it if you want to take notes during class.
21:08.04fysayou will have to look at the onscreen to take notes, but if you're decent at touch typing you won't need to glance at the keyboard and can actually pay attention.
21:08.18fysathey had the  N800 at CompUSA here to try.
21:08.20fysabut..
21:08.22fysathey're gone now. :P
21:08.49fysaalso you can try the iPhone/iPod Touch if you're new to onscreen keyboards.  however fast you can type on that, it will be a bit slower on the N800
21:11.29zapadawhy would it be slower on n800?
21:11.45shackanfysa: what about.. pen and pencil?
21:11.49zapadaif i could install linux on the touch i would probably get it
21:12.12shackanand you can't type math on a keyboard
21:12.33zapadayou can type latex
21:12.44zapadawhat about voice recognition?
21:12.51zapadadoes the n800 have voice to text?
21:12.52shackanhahahahaha, sure, if you're VERY fact
21:12.54shackan*fast
21:13.16zapadasetup macros that type certain things based on voice recognition?
21:13.22shackanzapada: uh? no it doesn't
21:13.31fysawho writes down math now anyway? :P
21:13.41fysathat's why TI calcs are mandatory
21:13.55shackanfysa: wtf?
21:14.22shackanin this part of the world you're not supposed to use calculators...
21:14.29fysain highschool maybe.
21:14.50fysain the real world you use a calculator.
21:15.05zapadain my univeersity first year courses calculators are not allowed on exams
21:15.17shackanzapada: right
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21:15.19fysayeah, and neither would your N800
21:15.51zapadacan you run gnuplot on the n800?
21:16.04zapadaand octave?
21:16.15fysathere's some plotting software out there I believe
21:16.21Takalso lybniz
21:16.25zapadaah yes
21:16.37zapadahas anyone gotten octave to work on the n800?
21:16.50wumpusyeah, calculators weren't allowed on some of our exams either, it's too easy to store entire text files in them these days :P
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21:17.50zapadahas anyone here tried xfce on the n800
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21:20.41bedboime
21:21.31zapadadoes it work as well as the maemo gui?
21:21.52bedboiwell, no
21:22.06bedboixfce is not designed for small screen devices
21:22.15bedboibtw it's not that bad
21:26.12fysabedboi: you try a bt mouse with xfce?
21:26.33bedboinope
21:26.48bedboii do not have such a thing
21:26.56bedboibtw it's quite pointless using a mouse
21:27.07tontsawhy would you want to have mouse in a such a small screen
21:27.23fysadoes the XFCE package come with its own x11 server?
21:27.24bedboii mean, it's geeky and all, but it's kinda useless
21:27.33fysano, precisely the opposite.
21:27.47bedboifysa: maemo relies on X11
21:27.50fysathe smaller the screen, the more usable a mouse becomes compared to a fat finger.
21:27.56fysaobviously :P
21:28.19tontsayou must get bad shoulder pains if you try to squint the screen and move the mouse with other hand
21:28.24bedboifysa: bringing a mouse of the same size of the device is not so good
21:28.31fysabt mouth support and a pointer would let you hit smaller widgets and get more usable deskspace.
21:28.34fysano, it works excellently
21:28.36fysajust not with hildon
21:28.48fysawith XFCE or KDE.
21:28.57fysathere's no other way.  they aren't designed for your finger blocking the screen.
21:29.07fysaand this is for setting the device down
21:29.10fysawith a bt keyboard
21:29.17fysaand using the fold-out stand.
21:29.23fysaI can program/ssh perfectly.
21:29.26bedboii'm not sure i'm following
21:29.45fysawith a mouse, I could use spreadsheets.
21:29.51fysahaving right-click is very important
21:29.59fysaand not dealing with the slowless of the screen, the poor friction
21:30.05tontsathe stylus is quite accurate. i don't see the point of getting such a small device/screen if i wanna do desktop work sitting down at the desktop
21:30.08fysaand interfaces not designed to be blocked by your finger
21:30.09fysa..
21:30.16bedboiyep
21:30.16fysabecause it's pointless to try to use a bluetooth keyboard and stylus.
21:30.22bedboii agree with tontsa
21:30.23fysabluetooth keyboard + bluetooth mouse.
21:30.32fysathat's your choice.
21:30.46bedboifysa: i'm not flaming :)
21:30.48fysareaching from the keyboard to pick up the stylus is excrutiatingly slow.
21:30.49tontsan810's keyboard is good. and with stylus everything is happy. atleast for me
21:30.52fysalike VNC
21:31.00fysaVNC is absolutely retarded with the touch screen.
21:31.13fysaI'm talking as a laptop replacement.
21:31.15bedboitontsa: i'm quite happy with thumb keyboard
21:31.19bedboiit's very handy
21:31.20fysaHildon + touch when it's in your pocket.
21:31.22tontsardesktop worked well. i haven't seen vnc for 810 yet
21:31.38fysabt keyboard + bt mouse at the office.
21:31.48fysaI travel quite often and develop software.
21:31.56fysaI like to be able to work where ever I am.
21:32.13fysawithout lugging around a laptop..  that's my purpose.  if you don't have a purpose, obviously trying to use a mouse on such a screen doesn't make sense.
21:32.17tontsafor real work i'd recommend a real laptop so you won't end up blind and with bad back pains
21:32.25fysathanks, doctor.
21:32.39TakDammit Jim, he's a programmer, not a doctor!
21:32.47bedboilol
21:33.10fysathe built-in X11 on OS2008 has issues with the mouse driver I believe.
21:33.14bedboifysa: it's just that i'm not sure n800 is ready to be a laptop replacement :)
21:33.18fysadude
21:33.21fysayou retard.
21:33.22tontsaatleast i just use n810 for random work on the road.. can't even imagine doing "real" work 8 hours a day with it though
21:33.24fysa(not really)
21:33.27fysaI just said..
21:33.30fysaI'm using it as a laptop replacement.
21:33.31fysaand have been.
21:33.40fysaI just returned from a 3-day business trip last night.
21:33.48fysaon which I was able to work at any place I sat, the entire time.
21:33.57fysaincluding the airplane .. in coach.
21:34.07fysaand at a reasonable pace
21:34.31fysanot 100%, of course.
21:34.37bedboifysa: maybe it's ok for you to work with a small device, i'm just saying it's not my case at all
21:34.40fysa100% on a deskop with triple 24" LCDs
21:34.48bedboiehhehe
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21:34.58fysa70% on a regular laptop
21:35.10fysaor less even.
21:35.20fysabut the difference between mouse/keyboard on the N800 is easily twice as fast
21:35.33fysayou try writing 8000 character SQL queries on the vkb :P
21:35.38fysatry seeing them even.
21:35.50fysaone of the biggest advantages of a bt keyboard has been the extra real-estate that I get to keep.
21:36.10fysaand with pixel-perfect accuracy (or close to it) and a mouse, you can get more real estate yet.
21:36.16fysano, it's not great.
21:36.19fysait's a pocket device.
21:36.31fysabut 800x480 is more than I used for years on my Commodore Amiga.
21:37.05fysaand I did DTP, graphics and coding without a problem then.  so surely can be done here with a bit of squinting..  to have that kind of flexibility at the beach, the park or a hiking trip is what I'm after.
21:37.10tontsai used to have amigas. but even back then the screen was bigger so you didn't have to squint
21:37.14fysaI certainly don't want to lug around a laptop with extra batteries.
21:37.15Takif I wrote 8000-character SQL queries, I'd kill myself :-P
21:37.19fysaI have fine vision.
21:37.51fysaanyway,
21:38.13fysasilly for me to go on.  I was just curious if bedboi tried a mouse, nothing more.
21:38.34fysayes, tak.  The worst part is that this particular project uses MS SQL.
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21:56.05Solarionogg/theora support? :)
21:56.09Solarionplease?
21:56.49realcomixOne day
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21:57.03Solarionrealcomix: tomorrow's a day.
21:57.33realcomixThat it is
21:57.33Solarionall my music is in voribs, and significant chunks of my video in theora
21:57.43realcomixHmm
21:59.21realcomixSome one did get ogg for embeded media player .. But its still in beta ... Check the meamo news ...
21:59.52realcomixBut i have no idea about theora
22:00.06Solarionyou mean vorbis?
22:00.10Sho_he means vorbis, yes
22:00.12Solarion(instead of ogg)
22:00.38Solariondunno why xiph needed Yet Another Container Format
22:00.47realcomixAh heh yes
22:01.11Solarionvorbis/theora support would be huge
22:01.43Sho_Solarion: Vorbis support is available
22:02.30Sho_Solarion: Apparently so is Theora, actually: http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/
22:03.10SolarionSho_: I meant out of the box
22:03.48Solarionany hope of that?
22:04.04Sho_Solarion: Is there a critical need for that if you can just easily install it?
22:04.08dragornanyone know offhand why mplayer (latest from hackers-dev) takes ~30s to start?  I assume it's something to do with searching for media, any way to speed that up?  Runs fine once it starts.
22:04.30SolarionSho_: sure.  Difference between notebook vendor giving you Windows support and putting Linux or, or vendor giving you Linux support.
22:05.05FatalSolarion: I guess you missed the nokia vs html5 debacle a few days ago?
22:05.14Sho_*shrugs* For me one reason to be interested in the ITs in the first place is *because* I can install things that aren't there out of the box
22:05.26SolarionFatal: missed, no.
22:06.04SolarionSho_: Certainly, but that doesn't mean that there's not a significant difference between "vendor supports x" and "you can make it do x"
22:06.45Sho_Solarion: When it comes to a video codec, I don't really perceive that significant difference for my personal use cases
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22:08.08Solarioneh, I suppose.
22:08.14Solarionstill would be nice to have that support
22:08.49Solarionbut you
22:09.01Solarion're probably right; for a video codec the distinction isn't nearly as huge
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22:36.06dagbIs there a slick solution for automatic switching between WLAN and GPRS? I.e. something that uses WLAN if available, switches to GPRS if not, and back to WLAN when it becomes available?
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22:38.28dagbI intend to combine this with openvpn to have a "poor mans mobile ip"
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23:07.42kulveSolarion: no hope of getting ogg supported officially
23:09.13kulveit should support theora too
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