| 00:00.00 | fierce | gonna be a blast |
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| 00:00.08 | alterego | fierce, not a fan of xchat? |
| 00:00.12 | fierce | oh sure |
| 00:00.13 | fierce | i love xchat |
| 00:00.18 | fierce | :-) |
| 00:00.29 | alterego | Well, you can install xchat. |
| 00:00.30 | derf | The whole point of irssi is to use it with ssh+screen. |
| 00:00.40 | K`zan | alterego: Will be interesthing to hear your experiences with that :) |
| 00:00.40 | alterego | Yeah .. Not local :D |
| 00:00.57 | fierce | alterego cool , where should I go for beginner tips on howto install xchat then? :-) |
| 00:00.58 | derf | Well, I would use it local, too. In screen. |
| 00:01.08 | alterego | K`zan, well. Having a full size keyboard, a 24/7 connection regardless of position. I think I'll start blogging ;) |
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| 00:01.37 | alterego | I wouldn't see a point running it local. |
| 00:01.41 | alterego | Unless you don't have X running .. |
| 00:01.50 | K`zan | alterego: That is why I built the power injector- primarily for a USB keyboard. |
| 00:02.06 | alterego | K`zan, you shouldn't need one really. |
| 00:02.11 | alterego | Not with the N800 |
| 00:02.19 | K`zan | Normally the thrift shops are crawling in USB keyboards, but not lately. |
| 00:02.46 | alterego | My idea is .. : 4 port mini hub: USB keyboard, USB -> Nokia charger, USB -> Ethernet, USB -> IDE adapter :) |
| 00:02.59 | alterego | That way I only need one plug to keep my Nokia charged and use it at the same time. |
| 00:03.05 | K`zan | If nothing else it serves as an adapter for the different connectors. Might work that way without power. |
| 00:03.19 | K`zan | Hummm, got a couple 4 port hubs here, perhaps I should try that. |
| 00:03.38 | alterego | I'm short of a keyboard, USB charger and ethernet. |
| 00:03.54 | K`zan | Considering I trashed a usb 1.1 hub to get the connetors :). 1.1 should be good enough for ethernet and keyboard. |
| 00:03.56 | alterego | I'll also construct a battery pack out of an old laptop battery. |
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| 00:04.15 | K`zan | Look at my power injector (getting link): |
| 00:05.01 | K`zan | http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI/ |
| 00:05.34 | K`zan | Seems to work fine. |
| 00:06.03 | alterego | Ooo .. I've had a cunning idea. |
| 00:06.15 | K`zan | The black thing between the connectors is for a wall wart. |
| 00:06.28 | K`zan | n800 camera would be more useful if it just sucked... |
| 00:06.38 | alterego | I setup a daemon on my home server to keep a port forwarded connection to my static server on the net. Which keeps an ssh connection. |
| 00:06.39 | K`zan | Can power it from a USB host or wall wart. |
| 00:06.49 | alterego | So I ssh to my rubyx server but it gets forwarded into my workstation, |
| 00:06.57 | alterego | better than that dyndns shite :D |
| 00:07.19 | K`zan | alterego: Yes, they seem to have dropped static for a monthly money nag now. |
| 00:07.45 | K`zan | err, show activity nag :) |
| 00:07.55 | alterego | That's a pretty aweful quality picture :P |
| 00:07.58 | alterego | N800? |
| 00:08.12 | zerojay | Yep. |
| 00:08.19 | K`zan | Yes, using a fluorescent lamp on the desk |
| 00:08.23 | zerojay | I can tell with the fuzz pattern. |
| 00:08.34 | K`zan | I'm not sure why they bothered. |
| 00:08.42 | alterego | Cute. |
| 00:08.47 | TimRiker | disabling XVideo on Xomap just breaks video calling. the app does not fall back to anything apparently. |
| 00:08.47 | zerojay | Well because it's not meant to be used as a camera. |
| 00:09.03 | K`zan | Maybe got a discontinued batch of end line ones cheap... |
| 00:09.10 | zerojay | For something simple like video calls, the camera is just fine. |
| 00:09.19 | alterego | I think the interference is from the hardware. |
| 00:09.21 | K`zan | Or they are rat shack floor sweepings :). |
| 00:09.32 | alterego | I've not bothered trying it in offline mode .. |
| 00:12.24 | ds3 | K`zan: isn't it easier to do it with a powered hub (and just use the power hub wall wart) |
| 00:12.50 | K`zan | ds3: In retrospect, probably although I haven't tried it yet. |
| 00:13.00 | K`zan | ds3: But it was fun to build something. |
| 00:13.16 | ds3 | heh, can't argue on that ;) |
| 00:13.40 | alterego | Now to make it wireless ;) |
| 00:13.58 | ds3 | K`zan: is that the only thing you need to do to make it work? (i.e. are there any flasher switches or other software toggles) |
| 00:14.02 | K`zan | SOmething changed here, I can hear signals on the radio (the one I got from the thrift store yesterday :-). Normally noise is VERY high here, might build a low power tramsmitter. |
| 00:14.31 | K`zan | ds3: I'm no expert but you need to echo "host" to a file to get it to work, hold a sec. |
| 00:15.02 | alterego | Okay, my shiny radio alarm clock is set. |
| 00:15.05 | alterego | G'night folks. |
| 00:15.08 | ds3 | someone here was claiming full OTG support but from my experience with a similar OMAP proc, that's not the state of the usb driver :/ |
| 00:15.27 | K`zan | I still have not clue one what is different between OTG and USB :) |
| 00:15.56 | ds3 | K`zan: OTG is a supplement to USB 2.0; it provides for automatic switching between host and device modes |
| 00:16.14 | K`zan | Ah, apparently not on the n800, I think. |
| 00:16.30 | ds3 | so if OTG is there, I should be able to plug a host in there an HNP (I think) should figure it out; or if I put a miniA in there, it should become a host unless HNP says otherwise |
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| 00:16.55 | ds3 | okay, great to have confirmation one isn't miss reading code ;) |
| 00:17.00 | K`zan | ds3: My ignorance of all this is **legion** |
| 00:17.45 | ds3 | got to start somewhere, even if it is just little experiments |
| 00:18.00 | K`zan | True :-) |
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| 00:18.19 | DeLe0n | does anyone got accepted in the maemo device program to get a discount for the n810? |
| 00:18.22 | ds3 | hoping this xmas, I'll get time to try things with a powered hub; got a liIon pack to power it |
| 00:19.26 | pupnik | card reader for usb is cool alterego tell us how to do it sometime ok thanks |
| 00:19.41 | pupnik | typing like a 12-year-old is habit-forming |
| 00:20.00 | czr | pupnik, what you say? |
| 00:20.16 | pupnik | :) DeLe0n the developer program is closed |
| 00:20.39 | DeLe0n | pupnik: i know... i got accepted |
| 00:20.41 | pupnik | alterego made a card reader get recognized - that'd be a nice enhancement to the tablets |
| 00:21.09 | pupnik | so what are you asking DeLe0n |
| 00:21.10 | ds3 | anyone know what was the reason why Nokia devices insist on wanting 5.5V before charging? |
| 00:21.11 | DeLe0n | pupnik: but i still dont know when the code will be valid, do u know something about this? |
| 00:21.22 | pupnik | yes the rumor is mid-december |
| 00:21.24 | zerojay | We were told it would be around the 15th. |
| 00:21.38 | zerojay | Direct from Quim himself. |
| 00:22.06 | pupnik | ds3 i am guessing it helps charging to have a higher voltage than operating voltage? |
| 00:22.24 | pupnik | so you know - teh current - it flows downstream - into battery |
| 00:22.36 | DeLe0n | thanks... i really can't wait, and as i'm in mexico it will be another problem to order it in nokiausa |
| 00:22.44 | ds3 | pupnik: are there really 5V parts inside it? seems hoard to believe esp. since the battery is nominal 3v |
| 00:22.52 | pupnik | DeLe0n: it is a hrobil wait |
| 00:22.59 | pupnik | oh i didnt know that ds3 |
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| 00:33.17 | user_ | lol xchat on my n800 |
| 00:33.28 | user_ | this rocks |
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| 00:34.47 | user_ | how do i stop screen from dimming off so fast |
| 00:35.11 | zerojay | Open control panel and look around. |
| 00:35.37 | user_ | cool thanks |
| 00:42.18 | ds3 | pupnik: LiIon batteries are 4.2 max (charged) down to about 2.8v... so I couldn't for the life of me figure out why Nokia needs 5.5V to charge other then be difficult |
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| 00:46.26 | pupnik | user_: you can do it with gconf |
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| 00:46.57 | pupnik | somebody should doo a 'click to install' package that extends screen blanking timeouts! |
| 00:47.01 | czr | or you could write a small program that uses libosso to delay the blank :-) |
| 00:47.11 | zerojay | He's not asking to extend them though. |
| 00:47.12 | czr | pupnik, I wrote a small libosso program that keeps the backlight on |
| 00:47.18 | ds3 | isn't there a control panel setting that does it? |
| 00:47.22 | czr | pupnik, it's licensed under MIT-permissive. |
| 00:47.24 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 00:47.38 | czr | the training material includes it. it should've gone public today |
| 00:47.57 | pupnik | i know how to do it man |
| 00:47.59 | czr | but it didn't. (it's in the 'maemo Platform Development' material, look for 'flashlight') |
| 00:48.02 | pupnik | don't question my REAL ULTIMATE POWER |
| 00:48.12 | czr | floating points? ;-) |
| 00:48.30 | pupnik | heheh |
| 00:48.56 | pupnik | infobot: backlight delay? |
| 00:48.58 | pupnik | hmr |
| 00:50.19 | czr | hmm. anyone worked with pdfs closely? |
| 00:50.23 | pupnik | infobot: "screen blank delay" is howto increase screen dimming/poweroff timeouts http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=blanking+delay+screen |
| 00:50.24 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, pupnik |
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| 00:52.09 | zerojay | Another stupid bot to kill. |
| 00:53.01 | ds3 | hahah |
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| 00:53.40 | czr | at least it's not annoying. :-) |
| 00:53.42 | czr | even if stupid |
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| 00:59.01 | Tuco800 | GeneralAntilles: hi again |
| 00:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Tuco800. |
| 00:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | So? |
| 01:00.20 | Tuco800 | One of the reps here his asking if there is an version mplayer for n810 yet |
| 01:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 01:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the garage's extras-devel |
| 01:00.58 | Tuco800 | Link please |
| 01:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 01:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Testing Maemo Extras on that page. |
| 01:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=141 |
| 01:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | That should get you the .install. |
| 01:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty stable, .flv playback isn't as good as the OS2007 version right now. |
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| 01:03.45 | Tuco800 | Thanks |
| 01:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 01:05.49 | pupnik | ooh nice - more dimming options .install file for OS2007! https://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/?get_installfile |
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| 01:09.34 | halley | So far so good, derf. Did crash once after much window open/closing but couldn't reproduce it. |
| 01:10.00 | derf | That's not what I want to hear. |
| 01:10.48 | halley | I have been using it a lot, and of course it's not like I lost data when it disappeared. |
| 01:11.17 | halley | I still haven't gotten a good answer on HOW/WHERE to put icons so they are the right sizes everywhere in the interface. There's a "scalable" icons directory but not even that is scaled right sometimes. |
| 01:12.26 | derf | I'm sure there's ample documentation on the subject. |
| 01:12.42 | derf | Locked in a vault and then thrown away, vault and all. |
| 01:12.45 | halley | I couldn't really find much, but maybe my googlefu isn't what it once was. |
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| 01:25.30 | dick-richardson | today my n810 officially replace my n800 :D |
| 01:27.19 | giskard | (yes, uk is shipping it, but not italy, and it seems that the discount code can't be used in uk) |
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| 01:31.54 | penguinbait | the discount codes cant be used anywhere yet |
| 01:33.03 | DeLe0n | the discount code can be used at any nokiashop? or just the one u selected? |
| 01:33.24 | elb | we don't know yet, because they can't be used |
| 01:34.16 | DeLe0n | haha :O |
| 01:38.33 | czr | finland/off -> |
| 01:38.42 | czr | have fun all _o/ |
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| 01:46.52 | user_ | this thumb-keyboard really isnt too bad i am surprised |
| 01:47.36 | zerojay | DeLe0n: Just the one you selected as far as we know. |
| 01:48.39 | DeLe0n | zerojay: is that if its for sale in europe before it will be easier for me, cause i have family living there and they are coming for christmas |
| 01:49.02 | zerojay | It's for everyone. |
| 01:49.18 | zerojay | But you might be able to ask them to switch shops. |
| 01:49.20 | zerojay | Maybe. |
| 01:49.32 | Atarii | zerojay thanks for the email |
| 01:49.56 | zerojay | Atarii: Sorry it took so long, i forgot about it completely. |
| 01:49.59 | DeLe0n | zerojay: nah, i think i'll get it from nokiausa... |
| 01:50.17 | Atarii | lol its ok, i shudnt be a noob |
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| 02:14.10 | fierce | Hey all, someone is telling me i need to upgrade my n800 from version 26-8 to something newer |
| 02:14.18 | fierce | in order to use my SDHC Class 6 card properly |
| 02:14.20 | fierce | how do I do this? |
| 02:15.17 | zerojay | Heh.. check the front page of Digg. |
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| 02:23.27 | Tu13es | anyone using mClock? |
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| 02:30.33 | halley | zerojay, the ogg crap? |
| 02:32.10 | zerojay | yep |
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| 02:41.31 | Tu13es | so, how long will the backlight in my n800 last? |
| 02:41.58 | halley | Until the heatdeath of the universe, or until you eat a cheese sandwich, whichever comes first. |
| 02:42.11 | Tu13es | yesss |
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| 02:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | 60k hours, most likely. |
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| 03:07.43 | lopz | re |
| 03:13.52 | digVer | Hello, I created an account 2 days ago now at maemo.org and still can't log in. I can log into garage .maemo.org though. |
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| 03:25.27 | lopz | bye |
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| 04:28.38 | |R | freychef : mtl? :) |
| 04:28.45 | freychef | yup |
| 04:29.06 | |R | hehe, i'm not alone, wiii! ;) |
| 04:29.32 | |R | how are you doing? :) |
| 04:29.33 | freychef | i'm new to this channel. |
| 04:30.06 | |R | new to maemo devices? |
| 04:30.46 | freychef | yeah, got my n800 back in october, love it. |
| 04:30.56 | |R | same here :-) |
| 04:31.14 | Vulc|Sleeps | I got mine four days ago. |
| 04:31.22 | |R | and you sleep ? |
| 04:31.26 | freychef | just waiting till they release os2008 and canola. |
| 04:31.27 | Vulc|Sleeps | Hopefully. |
| 04:31.39 | Vulc|Sleeps | Eh, theres a beta of Os2008 that runs quite well |
| 04:31.44 | |R | wasn't the beta supposed to be released today? |
| 04:31.51 | |R | (canola) |
| 04:31.55 | freychef | yes, but not a fan of beta's |
| 04:32.11 | Vulc|Sleeps | canola beta is today, yeah |
| 04:32.21 | Vulc|Sleeps | frey: From what I can tell, OS2008beta is more stable than 2007... |
| 04:32.56 | freychef | well, i'm patient, i'll wait for the official release. |
| 04:33.17 | Vulc|Sleeps | Anyone know when that will be? I heard mid december. |
| 04:33.18 | freychef | probably just another week or so... |
| 04:33.26 | |R | yeah, hopefully |
| 04:33.42 | Vulc|Sleeps | will there be an easier way to flash it? |
| 04:33.55 | freychef | easier? like how? |
| 04:33.59 | |R | i don't think so? |
| 04:34.16 | |R | it's just: boot in home-button-mode (or whatever) and copy paste a line :) |
| 04:34.36 | Vulc|Sleeps | Yeah, but that requires me setting up a linux VM again |
| 04:34.51 | |R | isn't there mac and windows flasher utils? |
| 04:34.54 | Vulc|Sleeps | Linux does not like my hardware |
| 04:35.05 | Vulc|Sleeps | only mac and linux, when I flashed 08 |
| 04:35.07 | |R | (i don't know about those but... i've seen people comment about that) |
| 04:35.08 | Vulc|Sleeps | 08 beta |
| 04:35.11 | |R | oh |
| 04:35.14 | |R | pretty weird |
| 04:35.17 | Vulc|Sleeps | not really |
| 04:35.24 | |R | well not that i care... but :) |
| 04:35.24 | Vulc|Sleeps | OSX runs off of unix |
| 04:35.27 | Vulc|Sleeps | partially |
| 04:35.41 | freychef | which linux? and what hardware? |
| 04:35.42 | |R | well, they could make one for cygwin or something :) |
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| 04:36.20 | Vulc|Sleeps | Frey: Random sound drivers, some wierd problems with graphics. Kubuntu, for now. |
| 04:36.33 | Vulc|Sleeps | |R: Yeah, for some reason cyg wouldn't do it for me |
| 04:36.49 | freychef | hmmm... |
| 04:36.54 | blithe | Vulc|Sleeps: Where'd you get your n800 from if you don't mind me asking? |
| 04:37.03 | Vulc|Sleeps | blithe: Newegg. |
| 04:37.06 | Vulc|Sleeps | Why? |
| 04:37.14 | blithe | I cancelled my buy.com order, as they've procrastinated on shipping it for over a week. |
| 04:37.36 | Vulc|Sleeps | friend of mine got his from walmart pretty fast, too. only about 10 bucks more |
| 04:37.40 | blithe | It shouldn't take a week to ship one item that's apparently 'in stock'. |
| 04:37.43 | Vulc|Sleeps | since I believe newegg is out of stock |
| 04:38.44 | |R | *cought* walmart ;) |
| 04:38.56 | |R | -t |
| 04:39.11 | Vulc|Sleeps | |R: And? Its cheap, and apparently 2day shipping came in one. |
| 04:39.45 | |R | well, i won't go on rambling about how bad their ethics are... :P |
| 04:40.22 | Vulc|Sleeps | their ethics are horrible. But if its the only place you can get it for 250$, I'd go for it and then donate the rest to a human rights group or something. |
| 04:40.30 | Vulc|Sleeps | Or wait a week for newegg to get more in stock |
| 04:40.48 | Vulc|Sleeps | nevermind, n800 is back |
| 04:40.51 | |R | :) |
| 04:40.53 | Vulc|Sleeps | and.. whoa, it costs more than 250 now. |
| 04:40.58 | |R | urhm |
| 04:41.05 | Vulc|Sleeps | Yay sales that are over now |
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| 04:41.37 | Vulc|Sleeps | http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&search_query=n800&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find&ic=24_0 -- 240$. |
| 04:41.38 | blithe | buy.com's taking their pretty little time to refund my money. :( |
| 04:41.42 | halley | Finally getting some progress on a simple pygame on maemo (nokia n810): http://halley.cc/screenshot05.png |
| 04:41.42 | Vulc|Sleeps | but its boo, hiss. |
| 04:41.50 | blithe | I need to wait for that before I reorder somewhere else. |
| 04:42.15 | |R | halley : oh, an hiragana teaching game :D |
| 04:42.36 | halley | Yeah, though the library is ready for more in-depth ones too. |
| 04:42.46 | halley | This is just the first minigame in the set. |
| 04:43.01 | |R | if i can get an hiragana / katakana and some generic kanji learning game, i'd be happy :) |
| 04:43.07 | freychef | nice! |
| 04:43.14 | |R | (going to japan in the end of mars if all goes well) |
| 04:43.46 | halley | |R, will keep you in mind. |
| 04:43.58 | halley | "end of mars" --> "end of March"? |
| 04:44.08 | |R | haha yeah, sorry, french speaker falling asleep ;) |
| 04:44.15 | |R | i'm typing in frenglish |
| 04:44.23 | halley | Zut alors! |
| 04:44.36 | |R | :D |
| 04:45.53 | halley | Right now I get only ~8 frames per second, because python is SO SLOW on the tablet. |
| 04:46.09 | pupnik | heh |
| 04:46.11 | halley | The pixel-pushing isn't the problem, the python in my library is a bit too general-purpose. |
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| 04:46.35 | pupnik | nice to see your project halley |
| 04:48.18 | pupnik | design with the tools you have |
| 04:48.43 | halley | Well, I wrote 95% of the library before I had a NIT in my hands. |
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| 04:55.21 | freychef | When I plug my n800 into my desktop, how can I get the desktop to read the n800's entire file system and not just the external mem card? Doable? |
| 04:56.34 | pupnik | i think you can make samba share of your root fs |
| 04:56.53 | freychef | desktop is a linux box. |
| 04:57.36 | freychef | is this a root vs user question? |
| 04:59.20 | halley | freychef, I might be wrong but I think it's just that it's easier to host a block device if the whole hosted entity is one filesystem and filesystem type (e.g., fat32). |
| 05:00.23 | halley | You would have to do some weird translation stuff if hosting the "root" because root contains branches that are different internal hardware components, filesystems, and even formats. |
| 05:00.45 | freychef | ok, but isn't the internal memory card also formatted with fat32? |
| 05:00.56 | halley | No, jffs2 for the root. |
| 05:01.23 | freychef | ok, that's my problem then, I'll have to dig around a little more. |
| 05:01.29 | halley | Even if they're the same format, they are different block devices. Hosting happens at the block level, not the file level. |
| 05:01.53 | halley | Again, I could be wrong, but that is my understanding. |
| 05:02.25 | freychef | ok, seems to be a good explaination. |
| 05:02.38 | freychef | thanks. |
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| 05:23.10 | dragorn | I think the device actually unmounts the card and presents it as a block mass storage device to the host |
| 05:23.37 | dragorn | so no, it can't present the root and initfs the same way |
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| 05:42.26 | Fenix-Dark | hey |
| 05:42.36 | l7 | heya |
| 05:42.38 | kuzew | hello |
| 05:42.46 | Fenix-Dark | any of you notice problems with the n800's screen scratching? |
| 05:43.16 | l7 | hrm, not me, but i use a screen guard |
| 05:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | Did you take off the factory protector? |
| 05:43.44 | l7 | not yet |
| 05:43.48 | Fenix-Dark | i replaced my dead 770 with an n800, i just opened the package, and the screen is all scratched up |
| 05:43.52 | l7 | should i take it off? |
| 05:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2523 |
| 05:44.07 | l7 | i should get around to ordering a glossy boxwave screen guard |
| 05:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | Even Quim fails at submitting bugs. |
| 05:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | Wait until you get another one. |
| 05:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | Fenix-Dark, it's the screen protector that's scratched |
| 05:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | not the screen itself. |
| 05:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Get the anti-glare, l7. |
| 05:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's much more legible. |
| 05:45.25 | Fenix-Dark | GeneralAntilles, you're correct |
| 05:45.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'd leave it on until you get a third party protector |
| 05:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | The Boxwave anti-glare ones are very nice. |
| 05:47.27 | l7 | hrm... |
| 05:47.51 | l7 | someone else told me that the glossy was "like having nothing on the screen" |
| 05:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, but you get a shitload of glare. |
| 05:48.19 | l7 | does the anti-glare one seem a bit duller? |
| 05:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | The anti-glare has A. a much better texture (mildly paper-like), and B. anti-glare. |
| 05:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | It is, yes, but you wont notice it. |
| 05:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's maybe a 2-4% reduction in brightness. |
| 05:49.09 | l7 | now that you mention it, i notice there is some annoying reflections coming from the factory screen guard |
| 05:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | Well worth the better feel and the improved legibility in all lighting conditions. |
| 05:49.28 | l7 | is the glossy one comparable to the factory screen guard in glare? |
| 05:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like it |
| 05:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | The glossy one was on a friends Palm. |
| 05:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | It was a while ago |
| 05:50.08 | l7 | have you tried both screen guards? |
| 05:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | and I scratched my factory protector to hell very quickly. |
| 05:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | Only tried the anti-glare on my own hardware |
| 05:50.38 | freychef | i'm looking at their website now...it list a protector for the 770. will that fit on the n800 as well? |
| 05:50.40 | l7 | i usually use the n800 at home with dim lighting, but it would be annoying to get a lot of glare if i used it outside |
| 05:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | glossy was on a friend's. |
| 05:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | But it had a lot of glare. |
| 05:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | They have a page for the N800, too. |
| 05:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes, the screen sizes are the same, freychef. |
| 05:51.31 | l7 | freychef: i think the screen sizes are the same, but don't quote me |
| 05:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, also, the anti-glare doesn't finger-print nearly as easily. |
| 05:51.41 | corevette | screen sizes are same |
| 05:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | They are the same, l7. |
| 05:51.45 | l7 | you can quote GeneralAntilles i guess :) |
| 05:52.02 | freychef | OK thanks. |
| 05:52.04 | Fenix-Dark | oh wow |
| 05:52.15 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: have you used the anti-glare screen outdoors? |
| 05:52.18 | Fenix-Dark | the stylus in the n800 is a lot better than the ones from the 770 |
| 05:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | A lot, l7. |
| 05:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's very good. |
| 05:52.34 | l7 | how does sunlight affect it? |
| 05:52.50 | GeneralAntilles | You wont have trouble with glare. |
| 05:53.02 | l7 | sometimes i wind up hitting myself in the eyes with reflected sunlight from my cell phone |
| 05:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | Just the N800's generally poor outdoor visibility. |
| 05:53.10 | |R | freychef : do you have many friends in montreal with n8x0 devices? |
| 05:53.15 | l7 | i don't suppose the anti-glare will do much about reflected sun though |
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| 05:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's much more diffused, l7. |
| 05:53.46 | |R | yeah not perfect but without anti glare i would get directly blinded :) |
| 05:54.00 | l7 | haha |
| 05:54.08 | Fenix-Dark | meh, the case with the 770 was better |
| 05:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then use that case, Fenix-Dark. :P |
| 05:54.35 | Fenix-Dark | i dont have it anymore |
| 05:54.54 | l7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.17 | freychef | |R: no just me. |
| 05:55.18 | l7 | hrm, i wonder if there is a poll on preferred screen protectors |
| 05:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | anti-glare, l7. |
| 05:55.42 | |R | l7 :yep |
| 05:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me on this one. :P |
| 05:56.16 | Fenix-Dark | does the n800 work with wpa2 |
| 05:56.19 | l7 | heh okay, thanks for the advice |
| 05:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | Just fine, Fenix-Dark. |
| 05:56.36 | l7 | Fenix-Dark: it works fine with my airport express |
| 05:56.36 | Fenix-Dark | wierd, it isnt seeing my network |
| 05:56.44 | l7 | on wpa2 |
| 05:56.54 | |R | http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html |
| 05:56.59 | |R | i'd be curious to try this one though |
| 05:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Network hidden, Fenix-Dark? |
| 05:57.20 | astro76 | |R, I can tell you how bad that would be |
| 05:57.29 | |R | astro76 : oh? |
| 05:57.31 | Fenix-Dark | GeneralAntilles, nope |
| 05:57.49 | astro76 | |R, put it on a cell phone once, it's extremely rubbery, very poor texture for touch screen |
| 05:58.07 | astro76 | takes a lot of moisture to apply too |
| 05:58.17 | |R | astro76: had it on a D2 (cowon) and it worked well with touch screen, but applying it with the water bottle is a PITA... |
| 05:58.32 | |R | i just don't remember how it delt with glare... |
| 05:58.48 | astro76 | I can't imagine it would stop any glare |
| 05:58.50 | |R | (not that boxwave was very fun to apply either...) |
| 05:59.00 | astro76 | at least the boxwave is washable/reappliable |
| 05:59.05 | |R | yeah |
| 05:59.07 | l7 | hrm, the invisible shield one seems much harder |
| 05:59.08 | |R | 5 times haha ;) |
| 05:59.21 | l7 | is it still good after five times? |
| 05:59.29 | l7 | or is it all wrinkled after five time? |
| 05:59.31 | astro76 | the invisible shield can also stretch out of shape |
| 05:59.34 | |R | yeah just what i had to go through to apply... |
| 05:59.48 | |R | with invisishield you'll probably run out of water in their bottle |
| 05:59.55 | l7 | ouch |
| 06:00.07 | l7 | how exactly does the boxwave installation go? |
| 06:00.09 | |R | anyway, go with boxwave anti-glare :) |
| 06:00.17 | |R | they're all painfull |
| 06:00.19 | l7 | i guess step one is removing all dust |
| 06:00.19 | |R | hehe |
| 06:00.23 | |R | yeah |
| 06:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | boxwave wasn't too bad |
| 06:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's just the dust |
| 06:00.28 | |R | and then step 2 is the same |
| 06:00.43 | |R | and 3 and 4 and ... i think my house is too old ;) |
| 06:00.45 | l7 | why can't nokia just install em of us? :/ |
| 06:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | But it's durable, and reaplicable. |
| 06:01.10 | l7 | so it's a lot of washing and drying before you get a good install? |
| 06:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | Costs money, l7. |
| 06:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | A bit |
| 06:01.20 | l7 | maybe i should move into a clean room... |
| 06:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | It actually helps if you leave it a little damp when you're applying. |
| 06:01.45 | l7 | yeah i was kidding :/ |
| 06:02.08 | l7 | leave it damp? how will the moisture get out later? |
| 06:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a plastic applicator thing |
| 06:02.29 | l7 | i assume you don't want moisture in your tablet.. |
| 06:02.32 | GeneralAntilles | To press out bubbles and such |
| 06:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | Just press the few drops out to the edges and wipe them off. |
| 06:03.00 | l7 | won't that mean the water will be pushed to the edge of the screen where it could get behind the panel? |
| 06:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | Panel is sealed. |
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| 06:03.57 | l7 | hrm, i guess i will have to just have faith in the unit's construction |
| 06:04.16 | |R | anyone here in europe? |
| 06:04.16 | l7 | maybe i should cover the speaker grill with saran wrap or something during the install |
| 06:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:04.37 | |R | (i know i should stop asking at 01:00 EST) |
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| 06:12.24 | Fenix-Dark | hrm, i'm trying to pair my apple bluetooth keyboard with my n800, but when i'm pairing the keyboard, the n800 says 'Pairing failed. Device resources exceeded. try again?' |
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| 06:16.39 | pupnik_ | hrm |
| 06:16.44 | pupnik_ | sell it |
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| 06:45.02 | ranjan | hi i have problems with os2008 and skype on N800 |
| 06:45.09 | ranjan | frequent crashes |
| 06:45.15 | ranjan | is that a know issue |
| 06:50.51 | ranjan | anyone here? |
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| 06:55.39 | kulve | yes, but I don't use skype |
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| 06:56.05 | ranjan | ok ty |
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| 07:34.03 | dhr | I have a 770. I've got it working with a rocketfish bt keyboard but that is big. I'm trying to get it working with a iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim bt keyboard and am having no luck. Any ideas? Some folks report this keyboard model works with the N800. Linux on a PC, using the rocketfish BT dongle doesn't seem to see the iGo either. |
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| 08:03.09 | ttmrichter | Is alterego online? |
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| 08:13.40 | ttmrichter | Has anybody successfully installed from http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ at all? I can't seem to get the repository working. |
| 08:15.17 | vegai | Wow, they remove OGG already from html5? |
| 08:16.23 | vegai | that was snappy. |
| 08:17.05 | Fatal | silly |
| 08:17.09 | vegai | I didn't know OGG has any patent risks. Has someone covered this issue somewhere? |
| 08:17.31 | vegai | from wikipedia: "Ogg is an open standard for a free container format for digital multimedia, unrestricted by software patents and designed for efficient streaming and manipulation. " |
| 08:17.58 | vegai | and afaik all the related libs are BSD licensed |
| 08:18.17 | Fatal | to me it all sounds like politics :/ |
| 08:19.25 | glass_ | it's always politics |
| 08:19.32 | glass_ | or somebody thinking it would be hard to support on their platform |
| 08:19.44 | vegai | sometimes politics are actually backed by factual arguments |
| 08:19.56 | vegai | in contrast, this seems to be complete bullshit |
| 08:20.44 | suihkulokki | IÍ„'m not sure if vorbis is problematic, but theora could be |
| 08:21.23 | vegai | wikipedia: "While VP3 is patented technology, On2 has irrevocably given royalty-free license of the VP3 patents to everyone, letting anyone use Theora and other VP3-derived codecs for any purpose." |
| 08:21.50 | vegai | ok, that doesn't sound quite as strong as "unrestricted by software patents" |
| 08:22.00 | vegai | I sincerely hope you're right, though |
| 08:22.16 | vegai | I kinda like Nokia and wouldn't want to see them stoop that low |
| 08:22.24 | suihkulokki | vegai: wikipedia is forgetting that ON2 is not the only party with patents in video |
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| 08:22.53 | Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! |
| 08:24.07 | vegai | nothing much there |
| 08:24.38 | vegai | suihkulokki: you mean there are some sort of general patents? |
| 08:25.00 | vegai | "Showing images in a rapid fashion, patent #3427984723894" :P |
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| 08:35.54 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
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| 08:39.47 | Khertan_TheReal | i like this patent : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=8&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=clic&s2=mouse&OS=clic+AND+mouse&RS=clic+AND+mouse |
| 08:40.08 | Khertan_TheReal | hum ... this one is better : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=43&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,734,690&OS=4,734,690&RS=4,734,690 |
| 08:41.28 | Khertan_TheReal | there are many stupid patent .... : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,730,185&OS=4,730,185&RS=4,730,185 |
| 08:41.42 | Khertan_TheReal | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=30&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,730,185&OS=4,730,185&RS=4,730,185 |
| 08:41.43 | Khertan_TheReal | lol |
| 08:42.10 | Khertan_TheReal | and the result : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/04/mckool_smith_lawsuit_update/ |
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| 09:17.24 | keesj | Khertan_TheReal: how about not spamming the channel |
| 09:17.37 | keesj | perhaps use tinyurl? |
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| 09:23.10 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:24.46 | hahlo | Hi, is there any bluetooth applications for os2007 like simple file transfer or vcard exchange? |
| 09:26.47 | Khertan_TheReal | keesj> yes perhaps :) |
| 09:27.17 | Khertan_TheReal | hahlo > file manager do this ... |
| 09:28.35 | hahlo | Khertan_TheReal: ok have look closely, with one clance it look more difficult to send and receive bt files than regular pc gnome |
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| 09:46.07 | pupnik_ | ttp://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ multi-touch demo |
| 09:46.58 | Khertan_TheReal | this is not new ... |
| 09:47.10 | Khertan_TheReal | i ve see the page one year ago |
| 09:47.21 | Khertan_TheReal | s/see/seen |
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| 09:55.14 | oil_ | simple linux question. how to parse number 2 from a variable FOO='<a>1</a> <b>2</b><c>3</c>' ? |
| 09:56.28 | script | oil_: clean way would probably be an xpath query |
| 09:56.41 | oil_ | I tried with awk, but it fails when using variable eg: echo $FOO | awk '/<b>/,/<\/b>/' |
| 09:56.59 | oil_ | script: how to do that? |
| 09:57.05 | script | oil_: xmlstartlet can do that |
| 09:57.28 | script | but might be some kind of overkill |
| 09:58.08 | oil_ | I'm using this with os2008 and if possible, not wish to install external applications. |
| 09:58.32 | oil_ | can install as well, but better if can do with the tools which are already included |
| 10:03.04 | kulve | echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([0-9]\)*</b>.*,\1,' |
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| 10:05.50 | oil_ | kulve: kiitos! I'll use that one |
| 10:05.52 | jumpula | or you can use tr/cut, but that would be cheating |
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| 10:06.05 | jumpula | and makes semantically less sense |
| 10:06.55 | Khertan_TheReal | Yes i ve successfully made my first home applet in ruby :) |
| 10:07.01 | Khertan_TheReal | ! |
| 10:07.22 | Khertan_TheReal | need a bit more graphics ... ... and transparency |
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| 10:13.24 | Khertan_TheReal | is it possible to make a transparent gtk label ? |
| 10:14.42 | oil_ | kulve: one more thing. how to restrict sed to stop on the first </b> on the variable? |
| 10:15.08 | keesj | perhaps there is a greedy flag? |
| 10:15.25 | kulve | oil_: sorry, I don't know that much :) |
| 10:15.49 | oil_ | kulve: anyway thanks for the help. I'll try to find it out. :) |
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| 10:27.04 | jumpula | doesn't \([0-9]\)* indicate that it would have to stop to first </b>? |
| 10:27.19 | jumpula | save the trivial case, in which * equals zero |
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| 10:30.04 | kulve | jumpula: <b>1</b>sdlökas<b>2</b> |
| 10:30.37 | kulve | I think that was the case addressed above |
| 10:30.55 | jumpula | yeah, but that contains characters that are not 0-9 |
| 10:31.10 | oil_ | or better <b foo>asdad</b>adhad<b bar>adskhadskh</b> |
| 10:31.36 | jumpula | and your regexp specificly says that only characters 0-9 are allowed in between |
| 10:32.08 | kulve | jumpula: there's two pairs of the b tag. Which one to match? |
| 10:32.21 | oil_ | on the xhtml/xml page it has all the characters |
| 10:32.27 | kulve | the sed sentence had .* in the bedinning and in the end.. |
| 10:32.47 | jumpula | yes, but shouldn't the 0-9 limit matching |
| 10:32.55 | kulve | jumpula: still missing the point.. |
| 10:32.58 | kulve | (I guess) |
| 10:33.14 | jumpula | might be |
| 10:33.26 | dpb_ | jumpula: regexp is greedy, it takes the last match |
| 10:33.27 | jumpula | but i think greedy matching should not be possible in that case |
| 10:33.37 | jumpula | dpb_: yeah, that i know |
| 10:33.40 | kulve | jumpula: would my sed sentence match for 1 or for 2 in the example I put there |
| 10:33.52 | kulve | oil_: you start to sound like you want a real xml parsing.. |
| 10:34.08 | oil_ | kulve: I think this way would be ok |
| 10:34.11 | jumpula | aa. now that i read the pattern, i realize the problem. |
| 10:34.26 | jumpula | i thought the tags were interlapping :) |
| 10:34.55 | kulve | oil: echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([^<\)*</b>.*,\1,' |
| 10:35.17 | kulve | that one would match a bit better, if there can be anything but < inside the tags |
| 10:35.30 | kulve | hups |
| 10:35.38 | kulve | oil: echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([^<]\)*</b>.*,\1,' |
| 10:36.02 | jumpula | oil_: there's an excellent utility called xml2 which may help you |
| 10:36.15 | jumpula | it'll change the xml to more sedable form |
| 10:36.36 | jumpula | the sed scripts often become not trivial when doing proper parsing |
| 10:37.05 | jumpula | in perl, you can easily give an option to be greedy/non-greedy |
| 10:37.19 | jumpula | don't know whether sed has the equivalent |
| 10:37.19 | oil_ | moment gentleman...taking a bit time to test |
| 10:37.21 | dpb_ | echo $FOO | sed 's,.\?<b>\([^<]\)*</b>.*,\1,' matches the first |
| 10:37.42 | dpb_ | (only gnu sed though) |
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| 10:39.30 | kulve | uhm.. Why? |
| 10:39.34 | dpb_ | well.. in that kulves example line.. doesn't seem to work with <b foo>asdad</b>adhad<b bar>adskhadskh</b>.. |
| 10:39.46 | kulve | yeah, because you have .? there |
| 10:39.55 | dpb_ | why what? |
| 10:40.31 | kulve | doesn't .? match to any one or zero characters..? |
| 10:41.21 | kulve | I think the whole substition is a bad idea there.. |
| 10:41.27 | kulve | one should match and print it.. |
| 10:43.20 | dpb_ | yeah, that \? matches zero or one character, but as it isn't greedy like *, it matches the first |
| 10:43.42 | dpb_ | err.. |
| 10:43.46 | kulve | yeah, err.. |
| 10:44.17 | dpb_ | yeah, got what you meant now.. :) |
| 10:44.43 | oil_ | echo $XML | sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\(.*\)</p>.*,\1,' this stil doesn't work |
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| 10:45.10 | oil_ | that's the actu thing what I try to get |
| 10:45.37 | kulve | hmm.. Does the $XML include newlines? |
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| 10:45.57 | oil_ | can we unwrap the sed string. .* = everything, (.*\) prints what is inside the () ? |
| 10:46.26 | oil_ | kulve. it can, but when doing echo $XML > file , there was no newlines |
| 10:46.34 | kulve | ok |
| 10:47.18 | kulve | \(.*\) puts those to variable 1 and the \1 then "prints" it.. |
| 10:47.34 | oil_ | ok. thanks |
| 10:47.56 | kulve | what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
| 10:48.02 | kulve | prints nothing? Too much? |
| 10:48.49 | oil_ | sorry. yes. it prints after the </p> as well.. untill the last </p> on the document |
| 10:49.15 | kulve | that's because you have .* inside the () |
| 10:49.25 | kulve | . is any char and * is 0-n |
| 10:49.38 | kulve | replace the .* with [^<] |
| 10:49.46 | kulve | then it's any character but not < |
| 10:50.27 | keesj | there is also the great perl xml shell |
| 10:50.37 | keesj | XSH |
| 10:51.17 | jumpula | oil_: echo does that |
| 10:51.29 | jumpula | you get the newlines if you use echo "$XML" |
| 10:51.47 | oil_ | this will print the whole document echo $XML | sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\([^<]\)</p>.*,\1,' |
| 10:51.48 | oil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.04 | jumpula | without quotes, the newlines are not the only things mangled, unless you've customized the IFS |
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| 10:53.12 | kulve | oil_: do you have the XML somewhere..? |
| 10:53.44 | kulve | oil_: and now you are missing the * from there.. Sorry, my instructions were invalid.. |
| 10:54.00 | oil_ | jumpula: I'm using without quotes. should it be include? |
| 10:54.01 | kulve | replace the \(.*\) with \([^<]\)* |
| 10:54.16 | kulve | no.. |
| 10:54.18 | jumpula | try with echo "$XML" and see the difference |
| 10:54.18 | kulve | replace the \(.*\) with \([^<]*\) |
| 10:55.58 | jumpula | but yeah, xml2 should be able to change the tags for you to your favourite separator and then it's much simpler to do things with tr/cut/sed/awk |
| 10:55.59 | oil_ | bingo! sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\([^<]*\)</p>.*,\1,' |
| 10:56.00 | oil_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.45 | jumpula | that, of course, would add the dependency to xml2 if you're doing a script... |
| 10:56.57 | oil_ | jumpula: echo with "" does the big difference. thanks. I'll use that info later on! |
| 10:57.28 | oil_ | the source file is mixture with xhtml and xml and some wierd tags. |
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| 11:00.16 | jumpula | oil_: if you want to know why there's that difference, man bash and search for IFS :) |
| 11:02.24 | oil_ | jumpula: ok. checked. :) |
| 11:02.52 | oil_ | and lessons learned. next time I think life is too easy, I can always get back to regular expressions ;) |
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| 11:04.28 | rothiel | Hello World :) |
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| 11:12.55 | Spakman_ | when I load some programs I get a banner like "email loading...". How can I get that for when I boot my application? Is it something in the desktop file? |
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| 11:27.42 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:38.50 | Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > it's in the desktop file and service file ... |
| 11:39.13 | Khertan_TheReal | look at /usr/share/application/hildon/applicationtocopy.desktop |
| 11:39.33 | Khertan_TheReal | and /usr/share/dbus-1/services/applicationtocopy.service |
| 11:39.33 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 11:40.22 | pupnik_ | http://www.filecabi.net/video/notanotherskatedog.html [ Not Just another Skateboarding Dog, This one is actually Good. ] |
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| 11:42.54 | lardman | anyone fancy some ogg vorbis dsp task decoder debugging? |
| 11:43.26 | lardman | I've been staring at a piece of code and can't see what's wrong with it, I'd appreciate another pair of eyes |
| 11:43.37 | derf | Man, I wish, but unfortunately people occasionally expect me to do real work. |
| 11:43.48 | lardman | it's hard isn't it ;) |
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| 11:47.53 | lardman | If anyone has a minute, here;s the problem: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5d69e065 |
| 11:49.39 | Khertan_TheReal | ouch really a good skateboarder :) |
| 11:51.42 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I don't see code where you set byteRead? |
| 11:52.13 | lardman | no, but it does have a value as the dbg() statement returns it |
| 11:52.54 | lardman | fwiw here's where it's set: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5ba9fac6 |
| 11:53.15 | X-Fade_ | Note that your return a size_t and byteRead is int? |
| 11:53.31 | lardman | yes, the sizes of the types are all a bit screwed up I admit |
| 11:53.46 | lardman | size_t should map to unsigned long I think, so it should work ok |
| 11:53.48 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Yeah, memcpy expects size_t too ;) |
| 11:54.42 | lardman | I'll change byteRead to Uns (unsigned int) then, would that make a difference? |
| 11:55.11 | X-Fade_ | Nah, don't think so. It'll just silence warnings. |
| 11:55.12 | lardman | I can't see that it would, in one function it has a +ve value, and in the next it is =0 |
| 11:55.40 | X-Fade_ | Is this multiple threads? |
| 11:55.47 | lardman | yes |
| 11:55.59 | X-Fade_ | Maybe timing related? |
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| 11:56.14 | X-Fade_ | Some race condition? |
| 11:56.17 | lardman | the two functions in the first pastebin are in the same thread, the function which sets byteRead is in another thread |
| 11:56.38 | lardman | it shouldn't matter, the problem of transfering the value of byteRead occurs in the same thread |
| 11:56.50 | X-Fade_ | Maybe you should put a mutex around it to be sure it doesn't change in between? |
| 11:56.53 | lopz | hola |
| 11:57.19 | lardman | X-Fade_: ah, that's an option |
| 11:58.03 | lardman | But... it should never return to =0, not until the last bytes have been read |
| 11:58.06 | X-Fade_ | lardman: It can actually be that you see the results of a second read while still processing the first block.. |
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| 11:58.25 | X-Fade_ | And that that second read gets 0 bytes.. |
| 11:59.14 | X-Fade_ | lardman: You can test this by just copying the value of byteRead at the begin of ReadDataFromARM. |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | it's an option, but the second read doesn't get 0 bytes |
| 11:59.27 | X-Fade_ | And see if it returns that value correctly.. |
| 11:59.57 | lardman | also, in ivorbisidec_rcv_bksnd a dbg() statement is output before the value of byteRead is changed: dbg(task, "rcv_bksnd"); |
| 12:00.07 | lardman | we only see this message once in the dmesg output |
| 12:02.13 | lardman | the other thing is that in ReadDataFromARM() I call bkreqp() which requests data from the ARM. I then wait on a semaphore. When the data arrives and ivorbisidec_rcv_bksnd() is called by the dspgateway, it alters the value of byteRead and posts the semaphore and we continue in ReadDataFromARM |
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| 12:02.49 | lardman | I don't call bkreqp() again, and if I did I'd see a message. |
| 12:03.30 | X-Fade_ | Yeah, weird.. |
| 12:03.53 | lardman | perhaps the compiler doesn't like function pointers? |
| 12:03.57 | X-Fade_ | I would try to copy the value, just in case. But that shouldn't matter.. |
| 12:04.23 | lardman | I'll alter the way _get_data() works and just use the global variable and see if that works |
| 12:04.44 | lardman | glad it's not just an obvious school boy error on my part though |
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| 12:09.19 | behrad | did any one have list of maemo base cell phone ? |
| 12:09.50 | X-Fade_ | behrad: Ah that is easy.. |
| 12:09.50 | glass_ | the list is very short |
| 12:09.53 | X-Fade_ | none |
| 12:09.54 | glass_ | as it has no names at all |
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| 12:10.25 | behrad | X-Fade_, non !!? |
| 12:10.53 | X-Fade_ | behrad: Yep, maemo is only in use on internet tablets. |
| 12:11.43 | behrad | X-Fade_, oh sorry its my mistake. list of internet tablets that use meamo |
| 12:11.50 | BeBraw | behrad: http://www.openmoko.com/ is probably close enough |
| 12:12.01 | X-Fade_ | behrad: Nokia 770, N800 and N810. |
| 12:12.27 | behrad | X-Fade_, BeBraw thanks |
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| 12:12.35 | BeBraw | hopefully N900 contains phone too... |
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| 12:13.46 | BeBraw | behrad: another concept you might want take a look into is google's android |
| 12:14.11 | glass_ | theres no devices running android out though |
| 12:14.17 | glass_ | nor will be in a while |
| 12:15.24 | BeBraw | that fic phone is available already though |
| 12:15.40 | glass_ | neo1973 |
| 12:15.46 | glass_ | yes, technically available |
| 12:17.48 | BeBraw | hopefully next-gen or gen after that devices have rollable/foldable screens |
| 12:18.08 | glass_ | i doubt that happening in next gen.. |
| 12:18.23 | glass_ | dunno if i'd dig that even anyways |
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| 12:34.38 | keesj | BeBraw: to make it possible to use anywhere else then on the floor? |
| 12:35.40 | BeBraw | keesj: that's a problem for the engineer to solve. i wouldn't mind using such a device |
| 12:36.47 | glass_ | it would suck if you needed a hard book or something for the back |
| 12:36.54 | BeBraw | another way the tech could go is augmented reality. once you put on your goggles, you have the screen there |
| 12:37.23 | glass_ | of course.. but thats not really practical in couple of generations of maemo devices even |
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| 12:49.58 | oil | huh. I found the reason why the ping times were so slow (also affects to writing shell commands). When the wlan has full powersafe, ping times are 200-300ms. when changin it to intermediate, ping times drop to 5ms, which is far better when doing scripting. |
| 12:53.14 | inz | touchscreen + goggles doesn't work, you don't want fingerprints on yer cool shades ;) |
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| 12:57.03 | oil | btw. is there a way to 'push' the gps location to navicore with the command line? |
| 12:57.55 | oil | eg. If I wish to share locations with a friend, I could get an the coordinates from the web page, start the navicore and show the location on the map? |
| 12:58.00 | guardian | hi maemo |
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| 12:59.48 | lardman | oil: not with navicore, but there's some sort of location tag in jabber communication iirc, there was talk of implementing that in maemo-mapper |
| 13:00.15 | lardman | oil: sounds cool, but I don;t know the specifics, take a look on itt at the maemo-mapper threads |
| 13:03.38 | oil | lardman|lunch: ok. I was looking at the maemo mapper before. I'm thinking if there is a 'last know location' on the navicore files |
| 13:04.26 | X-Fade_ | oil: You better look into maemo mapper, as Navicore will never let you change anything. |
| 13:06.54 | oil | X-Fade_: you are correct on that one. still looking for solution which needs as little as possible modifications and application installations |
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| 13:10.50 | Tak | I'm glad the tablets haven't had phones builtin - I hope nokia doesn't cave and add a phone like they did with the kb |
| 13:11.39 | inz | Or if they for some reason create a phone-model, they should keep a phoneless one on the side |
| 13:11.51 | oil | tak: how come? and what is kb? |
| 13:12.10 | Tak | keyboard |
| 13:12.24 | Tak | because it's not a damn phone! |
| 13:12.52 | Tak | and I hope they don't let it degenerate into just another smartphone |
| 13:13.41 | oil | if tablet would have phone and also gprs/3g/hspa connection, I would not carry my phone anymore. |
| 13:13.46 | Veggen | well. I'd say it having a gsm-interface *in addition* wouldn't be *that bad*, but if it means locking down things, it would be. |
| 13:14.31 | Tak | yes, and if I could irc and make calls with my penis, I wouldn't have to carry any electronics at all! |
| 13:14.46 | X-Fade_ | Do you really want people seeing you call with a big ass tablet against your ear? :) |
| 13:14.49 | Tak | I hope that Nokia will provide me that functionality in the future. |
| 13:15.05 | Veggen | X-fade: it'd have to have a good handsfree, of course :) |
| 13:15.38 | Veggen | but seriously, it's not that a big deal, I don't see it replacing my cell phone anyhow, it's still a little too big for that. |
| 13:15.50 | Veggen | and I don't want it smaller to be able to replace a cell phone. |
| 13:15.56 | X-Fade_ | I see more in using the tablet as a BT carkit for you phone. So you can see everything on your tablet. And use it as handsfree. |
| 13:16.23 | X-Fade_ | See who is calling, answer the call etc.. |
| 13:17.05 | oil | tak: your idea might be usefull when in a bar. 'Hey pretty, There is a call for you.. down there' :-D |
| 13:17.35 | Tak | as tempting as it is, I'd better not pursue this line of conversation further |
| 13:17.49 | oil | anyway. the combination and specially with mobile data connectivity would be great. |
| 13:18.30 | oil | now we need 2 devices to get the connection on the road. |
| 13:18.45 | keesj | 3 if you want gps |
| 13:19.08 | X-Fade_ | keesj: Nah, I use GPS from my N95 with maemo mapper ;) |
| 13:19.08 | keesj | special dual output car plugs |
| 13:20.00 | keesj | and how to you attach the device? |
| 13:20.28 | Tak | encase it in carbonite on your dashboard |
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| 13:23.03 | keesj | and run canola on it |
| 13:23.27 | oil | hmm. on n800/0s2008 there is a file: /var/lib/gps/gps_last_saved_report which is in data format. using strings does not give any further glue. |
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| 13:30.33 | Tak | is there a package for sdl-gfx on chinook yet? |
| 13:31.16 | Tak | there must be; else pygame apps would be blowing up all over the place |
| 13:31.32 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:32.13 | Tak | morning jacques |
| 13:32.15 | Tak | err |
| 13:32.16 | Tak | Jaffa: |
| 13:37.20 | Jaffa | :) |
| 13:37.26 | Tak | hooray, nokia's not hosting the source package anymore either |
| 13:37.39 | Tak | s/nokia/maemo.org/ |
| 13:37.52 | Jaffa | Gah, finally shop.nokia.co.uk gets N810s in, but discount codes still don't work :-( |
| 13:38.01 | Tak | s/$/repeatedly/ |
| 13:38.18 | X-Fade_ | Tak: All libs that are not by default on the device will not be available in the chinook SDK repository. |
| 13:38.33 | Tak | meh, I'm just going to wait for an email saying, "The discount codes are now active" |
| 13:38.40 | X-Fade_ | Tak: If an application needs them, they should put them in the extras repository.. |
| 13:39.05 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: My guess is you need to get them at direct.nokia.com shop.. |
| 13:39.35 | Tak | heh, I had the impression that sdl-gfx was a nokia-added library in the extras repo |
| 13:40.14 | X-Fade_ | Tak: I had that discussion about libgdbm before ;) |
| 13:40.47 | Tak | so...my impression is mistaken, and I should upload my sdl-gfx build to chinook extras(-devel?)? |
| 13:41.19 | X-Fade_ | Tak: They want to go to a situation where users should _never_ have to add the sdk repository to install software. |
| 13:42.05 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Yeah, your applications and all it's dependencies that are not on the device by default. |
| 13:43.45 | Tak | I see. |
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| 13:49.43 | BeBraw | does maemo ui use double tap (click)? (haven't got the device. just curious) |
| 13:50.54 | Tak | use it for what? |
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| 13:51.26 | BeBraw | i mean can you use double tap on some program? |
| 13:51.40 | BeBraw | is it commonly used or do you use just single tap everywhere |
| 13:52.51 | Tak | I would say it's rarely if ever used |
| 13:53.17 | Spakman_ | BeBraw: aye, I've just used it in my latest app. I had to change the double click distance and time though since my fingers weren't precise enough. |
| 13:53.37 | Tak | the only time I ever end up double "clicking" is when I need to click to select something, then click again to open/launch/etc it once it's selected |
| 13:54.23 | Spakman_ | I used it in a mapping program. Double clicking zooms into a certain place, like Google Maps |
| 13:54.38 | BeBraw | k. thanks :) |
| 13:54.55 | Tak | is there a reason single-click shouldn't do that? |
| 13:55.11 | Jaffa | Tak: ditto |
| 13:55.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade_: direct.nokia.com doesn't sell to the UK anymore, it redirects to shop.nokia.co.uk |
| 13:55.55 | BeBraw | it's a shame the tablet doesn't provide a scroll wheel |
| 13:56.10 | Jaffa | That happened about 2 weeks after the N800 went on sale, because people buying from direct.nokia.com were getting them about $50 cheaper than buying from shop.nokia.co.uk (at today's exchange rates) |
| 13:56.22 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Hmm indeed ;) |
| 13:56.32 | Tak | ugh @ thought of exchange rates |
| 13:56.37 | lardman | X-Fade_: I made some modifications, and the results are still odd: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1f4201b7 |
| 13:56.50 | keesj | I did sdl-gfx in mud for xmoto before |
| 13:58.01 | Tak | aha, it was you! |
| 13:58.04 | Tak | you're behind :-P |
| 13:58.26 | keesj | yes but I did not get xmoto to compile on 4.0 |
| 13:58.42 | Tak | hmm, why not? |
| 13:59.00 | keesj | the autoconf tools are behaving strangely |
| 13:59.51 | Tak | hmm - I haven't had an issue thus far |
| 13:59.55 | keesj | it ends with the message arm-gnu.xxxx.g++ -V requires argument (when configure is trying to check the g++ version) |
| 14:00.33 | Tak | ah, maybe it's a g++-specific problem |
| 14:03.58 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Maybe use global for bytesRead? |
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| 14:04.53 | lardman | X-Fade_: it is global - declared in the body of the file, not in a function |
| 14:05.26 | lardman | X-Fade_: in the same file as the ReadDataFromARM() fn, but a different one to the _get_data() fn |
| 14:05.50 | lardman | unless my globalness is not working |
| 14:06.27 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I see the extern. May use that in the _get_data function? |
| 14:06.37 | X-Fade_ | inside. |
| 14:07.16 | lardman | put it inside the fn? you can't do that can you?! |
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| 14:12.05 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Should work? |
| 14:13.23 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Just define it in the function. |
| 14:14.35 | Tak | argh, d.m.o won't let me log in |
| 14:14.50 | lardman | X-Fade_: define it in the fn as being extern? That works? |
| 14:14.57 | X-Fade_ | lardman: An external variable must be _defined_, exactly once, outside of any function; this sets aside storage for it. The variable must also be _declared_ in each function that wants to access it. |
| 14:15.09 | lardman | ah, cool |
| 14:15.22 | X-Fade_ | Tak: use m.o/downloads, to be sure.. |
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| 14:16.21 | X-Fade_ | lardman: pssst: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/lab/secondyear/cshort/docs/node17.html :) |
| 14:16.48 | fatal- | is there any command line tool to launch a correct mime type handler for any given name? so that I could start mp3 playing without thinking what should take care of it? |
| 14:17.01 | Tak | aha, there we are |
| 14:17.04 | fatal- | just giving the file as a parameter |
| 14:17.22 | lardman | X-Fade_: Thanks, I ought to do a course rather than learning from a book ;) |
| 14:17.36 | lardman | X-Fade_: in any case it gives exactly the same answer |
| 14:18.09 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I pasted from that ;) |
| 14:19.19 | lardman | :) |
| 14:21.26 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I think it will work a bit better for you now? |
| 14:21.39 | lardman | X-Fade_: how come? |
| 14:22.01 | X-Fade_ | lardman: As now bytesRead actually works? |
| 14:22.08 | lardman | no |
| 14:22.24 | lardman | unfortunately not, same as before, it appears to have a value of 0 |
| 14:22.45 | X-Fade_ | lardman: That zero is suspicious.. |
| 14:23.29 | X-Fade_ | lardman: try to initialize bytesRead as another value before your function. Just to see if it actually uses it? |
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| 14:24.52 | lardman | the whole thing's a bit wierd really - I split the initialisation+declaration of the bytes variable and it does the same, I explicitly called the ReadDataFromARM() fn (rather than a fn pointer) and still the same |
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| 14:25.14 | X-Fade_ | lardman: Can you post your code? |
| 14:25.29 | lardman | yes |
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| 14:25.43 | lardman | you'll have to give me a few minutes though |
| 14:25.50 | tmccrary | Is there a regular SIP client for the n810? |
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| 14:26.00 | Tak | gizmo? |
| 14:26.15 | tmccrary | I meant one that isn't locked into a particular service |
| 14:26.20 | tmccrary | "Regular" |
| 14:26.33 | tmccrary | Unless they changed that in recent version of the gizmo client? |
| 14:26.42 | tmccrary | I tried it a while ago on my n770 and it works okay |
| 14:26.55 | tmccrary | but you had to use their servers, you couldn't use your own |
| 14:27.34 | Khertan_VM | test |
| 14:28.38 | Tak | FAIL |
| 14:28.44 | lardman | X-Fade_: hmm, if I assign a value to byteRead in the _get_data() fn, it still ignores it |
| 14:28.50 | tmccrary | Is that a no? |
| 14:28.53 | Tak | I had the impression that gizmo was a generic sip client |
| 14:29.05 | Tak | if not, I think ekiga has been ported |
| 14:29.38 | X-Fade_ | lardman: So there really is a bug in your code ;) |
| 14:29.56 | lardman | you could say that :) |
| 14:30.18 | X-Fade_ | Passing it by value perhaps? |
| 14:30.56 | lardman | it's decalred like so: extern Uns byteRead; |
| 14:31.04 | lardman | presumably it shouldn't matter |
| 14:31.26 | X-Fade_ | insite _get_data? |
| 14:31.29 | X-Fade_ | inside.. |
| 14:32.04 | lardman | I've tried both inside and outside, same in both cases |
| 14:32.36 | X-Fade_ | lardman: You do include the header exporting the var in the other file, right? |
| 14:33.59 | lardman | yes |
| 14:34.13 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/ |
| 14:34.31 | lardman | it's still uploading though |
| 14:35.00 | lardman | the files in question are dsptask_ivorbisdec.c and vorbisfile.c |
| 14:35.01 | X-Fade_ | what files should I be looking at? |
| 14:35.04 | X-Fade_ | ah ;) |
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| 14:37.55 | X-Fade_ | lardman: I don't see a .h file that exports your byteRead? |
| 14:38.36 | lardman | it's inline in the file |
| 14:39.13 | X-Fade_ | lardman: But how would vorbisfile.c know about it? |
| 14:39.26 | lardman | L76 in vorbisfile.c, L50 in dsptask_ivorbisdec.c |
| 14:40.25 | lardman | I'd not planned on needing the variable in any other source file, hence the lack of a header to clean things up |
| 14:40.55 | X-Fade_ | lardman: It doesn't get in vorbisfile.c by magic? Are you seeing warnings at compile time? |
| 14:42.06 | lardman | it's on line 76... |
| 14:42.25 | X-Fade_ | yeah, but there is no header exporting that.. |
| 14:42.36 | X-Fade_ | So it just creates an int locally.. |
| 14:42.59 | lardman | so what would a header do differently? |
| 14:43.14 | X-Fade_ | Actually give you the value? |
| 14:43.25 | lardman | I thought that by using extern, you tell the linker to resolve the name at link time? |
| 14:44.01 | wumpus | headers don't export anything, they import (using extern :P) |
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| 14:44.50 | lardman | If I declare it in one file, I don't need a header there, then I should place "extern ..." in a header to import into another file? |
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| 14:45.12 | lardman | how is that different from not using a header and placing the extern statement in the .c file? |
| 14:45.13 | wumpus | well, if you want to use the same variable from another file, you should use extern, yes |
| 14:45.23 | wumpus | uh, none |
| 14:46.01 | wumpus | you could paste the content of all header files into every program and it'd still work, there's nothing magical about them |
| 14:46.18 | Tak | I vote that you paste all the content in every file |
| 14:46.27 | Tak | you get hyperredundancy that way |
| 14:46.28 | lardman | my point exactly, I don't have a head file as I didn't expect to need to extern this var |
| 14:46.54 | lardman | but... if there's a problem with doing it this way I'd like to head about it (and not the unmaintainability thing) |
| 14:46.58 | wumpus | Tak: that'd be very useful, at least if one file gets corrupted, most still compile! |
| 14:47.33 | wumpus | you should use a different copy of gcc too for each file, just in case :P |
| 14:47.44 | lardman | if only I could use gcc.... |
| 14:48.04 | derf | lardman: Dump the assembly output. |
| 14:48.05 | wumpus | ah yeah, dsp |
| 14:48.06 | derf | Seriously. |
| 14:48.16 | lardman | derf: yes, good idea |
| 14:48.29 | lardman | X-Fade_: do you think there's something I've done wrong with the declaration? |
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| 14:52.04 | Jaffa | Next version of tablet-encode also has a simple GUI version: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html#screenshots |
| 14:55.25 | lardman | got to go back to work - long lunch break, will continue there, bbiab |
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| 15:03.53 | fatal- | hildon_mime_open_file() method seems to exist at some maemo release, apparently. cant find libhildonmime from anywhere, though |
| 15:04.23 | lopz | re :P |
| 15:06.26 | fatal- | err.. hildon_mime_open_file seems to be rather recent stuff; any idea is there anything that would work out of the box on an n770? |
| 15:07.00 | inz | s/hildon/osso/? |
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| 15:07.28 | fatal- | hmm |
| 15:07.33 | fatal- | such a thing seems to exist |
| 15:07.36 | Fatal | gmm |
| 15:07.38 | inz | in libossomime that is |
| 15:07.43 | Tak | isn't there something like maemo-launcher for that kind of thing? |
| 15:07.45 | fatal- | ok, will try that first |
| 15:08.02 | inz | Tak, maemo-launcher is used to speed up launching of things |
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| 15:08.28 | fatal- | well, if there is a standalone proggy that can do mime type handing for any file, please tell me :) |
| 15:08.33 | inz | Tak, the "binaries" are actually shared objects, the launcher dlopens them and calls their main() |
| 15:09.18 | X-Fade_ | Hmm this is a nice design: http://www.nokia.com/A4707477 |
| 15:09.26 | Tak | I see... |
| 15:09.32 | X-Fade_ | Should be a pretty high resolution device? |
| 15:10.33 | Tak | X-Fade_: it's a tricorder! |
| 15:10.40 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Yep ;) |
| 15:10.56 | X-Fade_ | Tak: including scanner device ;) |
| 15:12.37 | inz | Tak, try for example ls -l /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer, it should be a symlink to maemo-invoker |
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| 15:13.35 | inz | Tak, maemo-invoker then tells maemo-launcher (over a unix socket) to run osso_pdfviewer.launch |
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| 15:19.39 | hexa | ho yeah crime la connection inet du bureau roskc asteur hehe 10-15mbps de ubuntu.com :) |
| 15:19.57 | hexa | ca fait bien un dist-upgrade ca ;) |
| 15:20.06 | Khertan_VM | pffff |
| 15:20.08 | hexa | oops wrong channel sorry! |
| 15:21.05 | Khertan_VM | hexa nop ... wrong chan ... but i know now why my x86 scratchbox target don t upgrade |
| 15:21.27 | Khertan_VM | it was too old ... and dist-upgrade fix it ... thx :) |
| 15:21.35 | hexa | hahah :) |
| 15:21.45 | Khertan_VM | it s when i see your post then i ve think of dist-upgrade |
| 15:21.58 | hexa | lol butterfly effect :) |
| 15:22.00 | Khertan_VM | mais tres jolie connection de ton bureau :) |
| 15:22.28 | hexa | Khertan_VM: hehe en effet.. ca fait changement du 100k/sec j'avais.. du quebec ou france? |
| 15:22.57 | Khertan_TheReal | frankreich :) |
| 15:23.23 | Khertan_TheReal | sorry too many vm on my post |
| 15:23.29 | hexa | hehe k :) .. Quebec ici |
| 15:23.37 | inz | hexa, 10-15 millibits per seconds, wow, that's slow ;) |
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| 15:23.44 | inz | -s |
| 15:24.10 | hexa | inz: hhe I mean Mbps :) |
| 15:26.48 | lardman | derf: disassembled source is going to take some time to work out |
| 15:26.49 | |R | ahah qu'est ce qui se passe? |
| 15:27.34 | Khertan_VM | and finaly ... my scratchbox x86 is broken ... :( |
| 15:27.37 | hexa | |R: hehe je me suis juste trompe de chan.. |
| 15:27.38 | Khertan_VM | a bit more |
| 15:27.49 | hexa | Khertan_VM: damm :( |
| 15:28.13 | Khertan_VM | dpkg: error processing base-files (--configure): gurk |
| 15:28.25 | |R | :) |
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| 15:33.39 | Disconnect | is there an sdk for OSX yet? |
| 15:35.34 | zoran | yes, in apple headquoters |
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| 15:44.10 | lardman | I seem to remember having some troubles with "extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec", but can't remember what they were.... |
| 15:47.16 | Spakman_ | Khertan_VM: do you develop python-runtime for the tablets? |
| 15:48.05 | lardman | hmm, I wonder if it's converting Uns into something other than what I expect - I can't see a header that would define that, but no compilation failure |
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| 15:48.38 | Khertan_VM | Spakman_: no i m just an user of python-runtime :) |
| 15:48.53 | Spakman_ | ah, OK. |
| 15:49.02 | kpel | hi all |
| 15:49.06 | Khertan_VM | Disconnect: yes if you use VMWare image |
| 15:49.33 | Disconnect | yah downloading that now. royal pita tho. |
| 15:50.54 | Khertan_VM | Spakman_: but i m trying to debug python hildondesktop binding |
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| 16:09.45 | Khertan_VM | is there a way to make a transparent gtk label ? |
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| 16:18.44 | Khertan_TheReal | is there ruby dev here ? |
| 16:19.50 | Khertan_TheReal | i m learning ruby... and i want know if there is a simple way to get method available for an object ? like 'dir()' in python ? |
| 16:21.57 | Spakman_ | I'm not sure what dir() does, but my_object.methods will return the methods on an object |
| 16:22.21 | Spakman_ | but methods.sort might be nicer |
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| 16:24.29 | Khertan_TheReal | oh ... thanks |
| 16:24.54 | Khertan_TheReal | dir() in python list methods, properties of an object |
| 16:25.24 | Khertan_TheReal | thanks Spakman_ |
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| 16:26.16 | Khertan_TheReal | grrrr i don't know why my home applet disappear at random interval .... |
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| 16:39.59 | Khertan_TheReal | ouch ... just using my hildon desktop applet (which just show a gtk.label("test")) give me |
| 16:40.13 | Khertan_TheReal | 23 Mb consummed by hildon-desktop |
| 16:40.24 | Khertan_TheReal | 6Mb/127Mb free |
| 16:40.25 | Khertan_TheReal | ouch |
| 16:40.33 | kulve | check the caches too.. |
| 16:40.40 | Khertan_TheReal | the caches ? |
| 16:40.57 | lardman | does top correctly report thread memory usage too? |
| 16:40.59 | kulve | I have 2gigs of mem on my desktop computer and most of it is in the cache.. |
| 16:41.22 | lardman | i.e. is shared thread memory is reported more than once? |
| 16:41.40 | kulve | Khertan_TheReal: I don't remember which tool showed the caches too, maybe top or free. That memory is also freeable is something needs it. |
| 16:41.59 | X-Fade_ | Khertan_TheReal: Linux is not Windows. Linux uses all not used memory as filesystem cache. So free doesn't tell you much.. |
| 16:42.07 | Khertan_TheReal | top and /proc/meminfo show it |
| 16:42.19 | Khertan_TheReal | but i vent see it ... not enough large screen :) |
| 16:42.23 | lardman | kulve: how familiar are you with gstreamer? |
| 16:42.32 | kulve | lardman: a bit, not and expret |
| 16:42.35 | kulve | expert |
| 16:42.41 | kulve | an |
| 16:42.41 | Khertan_TheReal | but still 23Mb for hildon-desktop ... not very small |
| 16:42.57 | kulve | Khertan_TheReal: that includes all the plugins in home, nav and status bar |
| 16:43.06 | fysa | any decent VNC client for chinook yet? |
| 16:43.13 | kulve | and if that includes parts of the libraries loaded in the memory.. |
| 16:43.21 | lardman | kulve: hmm, I was wondering what would be the best way to encapsulate the dsp task |
| 16:43.26 | Khertan_TheReal | pffff my plugin is really buggy ... hildon-desktop crash anytimes ! |
| 16:43.33 | kulve | Khertan_TheReal: i.e. The memory stuff is complicated, don't make hasty conclusions :) |
| 16:44.06 | kulve | lardman: encapsulate? |
| 16:44.26 | kulve | lardman: I'm now leaving to home, but I can comment after an hour more about the issue.. |
| 16:44.35 | lardman | atm it takes 2 arg input & output files |
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| 16:45.14 | lardman | ok, well i still have to figure out why my global's not working/fn pointer called fn doesn't return values, but was wondering whether to shift to shared mem rather than ipbuf that I'm using atm |
| 16:45.26 | lardman | I'll have a read of the gstreamer tremor wrapper and see what it uses |
| 16:45.44 | lardman | that sounds wrong, see what will fit sounds better |
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| 16:50.00 | Tak | IME top shows shared memory more than once |
| 16:50.22 | Khertan_TheReal | IME ? |
| 16:51.01 | Tak | in my experience |
| 16:51.10 | skibur_ | ok, where can I submit a bug? |
| 16:52.07 | lardman | about top? |
| 16:52.09 | skibur_ | I was using "Notes" application with iGO bluetooth stowaway keyboard and it just crashed. |
| 16:52.44 | lardman | is Notes a built-in? |
| 16:52.47 | skibur_ | I was able to type about 5 lines and then it cashed with"Internal error occur in application" |
| 16:52.50 | lardman | if so use bugs.maemo.org |
| 16:52.51 | skibur_ | yes |
| 16:53.02 | skibur_ | ok thanks |
| 16:53.10 | lardman | can the fault be repeated? |
| 16:53.23 | skibur_ | restesting |
| 16:53.27 | skibur_ | retesting |
| 16:53.31 | skibur_ | ... |
| 16:53.45 | Jaffa | Or, in fact, any data entry on any Maemo application. |
| 16:53.52 | lardman | Jaffa: does it output anything over dbus when if falls over? |
| 16:54.27 | dragorn | skibur_: I've had it crash before too using the 810 keyboard |
| 16:55.11 | lardman | I'm not sure i like these generic error messages, would be far better to see the gory details (make debugging easier anyway) |
| 16:55.34 | lardman | ah yes, i seem to remember that the loader logs failure reasons |
| 16:55.42 | lardman | so they might be logged to syslog |
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| 16:56.44 | Khertan_TheReal | bye |
| 16:57.13 | skibur_ | o ok |
| 16:57.25 | skibur_ | I'm using N800 - OS2008 |
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| 16:57.52 | skibur_ | must be a buffer or stack not big enough :/ |
| 16:58.12 | lardman | it might not like the words you type |
| 16:58.17 | lardman | could be anything with that message ;) |
| 16:58.21 | skibur_ | lol |
| 16:58.42 | lardman | you weren't typing "matrix" perchance...? ;) |
| 16:58.59 | skibur_ | maybe spell check was like huh? Bomb... crashes! :P |
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| 16:59.44 | lardman | I'd be tempted to do that, embed a grammar checker and crash and burn everytime someone misused their/they're/there :) |
| 17:00.00 | lardman | or insure/ensure for that matter ;) |
| 17:00.09 | skibur_ | or alot/a lot/allot |
| 17:00.11 | dragorn | skibur_: No, I wasn't typing a large document when it crashed for me |
| 17:00.24 | skibur_ | hum |
| 17:00.40 | skibur_ | I can't recreate it |
| 17:01.19 | lardman | not really worth reporting as a bug then |
| 17:02.49 | dragorn | I had a vague suspicion that it was linked to multiple keystrokes in too short a time |
| 17:02.55 | dragorn | but couldn't recreate it either |
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| 17:04.41 | skibur_ | yeah |
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| 17:17.47 | skibur_ | hum... |
| 17:18.19 | skibur_ | no F1 - F12 keys on the iGO bluetooth stowaway keyboard? |
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| 18:30.08 | Khertan_n800 | Hi |
| 18:31.10 | Khertan_n800 | When i do a GLib::Timeout.add(2000) in my home applet in ruby |
| 18:31.38 | Khertan_n800 | Home-desktop crash when i unselect my applet |
| 18:31.54 | Tak | are you removing the timeout when you're cleaning up? |
| 18:32.19 | Khertan_n800 | No i dont know how to do this |
| 18:32.40 | Khertan_n800 | As i don t know when my applet instance is removed |
| 18:33.15 | Khertan_n800 | Is there a destroy methode called in ruby as initialize ? |
| 18:33.49 | elb | no |
| 18:34.06 | Khertan_n800 | Arg ... |
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| 18:34.19 | Khertan_n800 | How can i do so ? |
| 18:34.45 | elb | destroy things explicitly where you need a destructor |
| 18:35.19 | Khertan_n800 | (Irc in the subway !!!! YEAH :) ) |
| 18:35.50 | Tak | is there a doc for the ruby home applet api? |
| 18:37.29 | Khertan_n800 | I vent found it .... |
| 18:38.58 | Tak | it looks like the C api allows you to specify methods to be called on load and unload |
| 18:39.14 | Tak | I suspect the ruby api will allow you to do the same |
| 18:39.29 | Khertan_n800 | hum do u know the name in c ? |
| 18:39.36 | Tak | (I'm looking at http://tinyurl.com/22yu28 ) |
| 18:40.14 | Tak | I suspect he's abstracted away the first three arguments into one |
| 18:40.37 | Khertan_n800 | I come back in 15 min ... |
| 18:40.42 | Khertan_n800 | Thanks |
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| 19:17.05 | khertan | re |
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| 19:49.19 | khertan | someone have already done home applet in ruby ? i need some help. |
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| 20:16.47 | lopz | re |
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| 20:18.28 | mariorz | would it be possible to rewrite the onscreen keyboard to remove some keys/make others bigger? |
| 20:19.05 | Tak | mariorz: the keyboards are defined by the .vkb files in /usr/share/keyboards - they're modifiable |
| 20:19.24 | mariorz | realllyy cool |
| 20:20.11 | Tak | the moderately bad news: they're in a (mostly known) binary format |
| 20:20.29 | mariorz | so how would one go about editing them? |
| 20:21.09 | Tak | you could use a hex editor, or you could use one of the existing tools to dump them to xml, then edit the xml |
| 20:21.44 | Tak | khertan: what arguments does register_plugin take? |
| 20:22.31 | mariorz | Tak: would you have any linkage by chance to this tools? |
| 20:23.21 | Tak | http://idoru.metadreams.net/~kimju/src/maemo/decode_vkb/ |
| 20:24.05 | mariorz | thanks |
| 20:25.36 | Tak | also of use may be http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html |
| 20:25.47 | Tak | and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/26609 |
| 20:26.30 | mariorz | awesome, thanks :) |
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| 20:28.22 | mariorz | really? could you share that? |
| 20:28.57 | mariorz | oh implementING |
| 20:29.05 | Tak | hehe, I will share it |
| 20:29.21 | mariorz | cool |
| 20:29.36 | Tak | the perl version works well, though - I'm only doing this so I don't have to add an extra dependency to my (ruby) project |
| 20:30.04 | mariorz | whats your project? |
| 20:30.37 | Tak | a sdl-based virtual keyboard using rubygame |
| 20:32.19 | mariorz | sounds interesting |
| 20:32.23 | mariorz | how come rubygame? |
| 20:33.08 | Tak | because I'd just discovered rubygame and wanted to do something interesting with it |
| 20:33.35 | mariorz | nice |
| 20:33.46 | mariorz | i'd love to try it out when its ready |
| 20:34.18 | Tak | it's basically a library for rubygame devs to use to add keyboard input to their rubygame apps |
| 20:34.38 | mariorz | i see |
| 20:34.40 | Tak | I expect approximately zero people to use it |
| 20:35.00 | mariorz | lol |
| 20:35.13 | Tak | but it's there if anybody wants to |
| 20:35.26 | Tak | afaik it's the only vkb for an sdl-based toolkit |
| 20:35.55 | mariorz | wouldnt it also be less useful for the new devices? |
| 20:36.20 | mariorz | im on a n770 tough |
| 20:37.35 | Tak | for the n810s, I guess |
| 20:38.01 | Tak | although vkb still offers a layout flexibility that the hw kb doesn't |
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| 20:51.25 | khertan | tak > <Tak> khertan: what arguments does register_plugin take? |
| 20:51.44 | khertan | it s seem it s take only one arguments, a class |
| 20:52.04 | khertan | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/Examples/ruby_home_plugin.rb.txt |
| 20:52.34 | Tak | yeah, I saw the example - I was hoping it took a few optional method arguments |
| 20:56.07 | maddler | evening all |
| 20:58.10 | khertan | passing argument doesn't raise error |
| 20:58.23 | khertan | but doesn't seem to do anything |
| 21:00.34 | Tak | hm. |
| 21:00.55 | Tak | I'll look at the source later, if I get a chance |
| 21:01.15 | Tak | obviously if alterego were around, he could answer in 47ms |
| 21:03.53 | khertan | maybe less :) |
| 21:04.05 | khertan | but haven't see him today ... |
| 21:04.58 | khertan | i'm trying to look at the source too but my wife keep disturbing me ... |
| 21:05.41 | Tak | haha |
| 21:06.09 | Tak | women, always wanting you to do stuff with them instead of sit around and code ;-P |
| 21:06.37 | khertan | always the same things ... |
| 21:06.45 | khertan | and many times useless things |
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| 21:11.28 | khertan | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/modest-chinook.install |
| 21:11.31 | pupnik_ | http://webilus.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/multi-ecrans.jpg Nice music studio - multiscreen |
| 21:12.41 | Vulcanis | I love how it has the crappy mouse and KB with those screens |
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| 21:21.21 | disq | looking for an up to date mencoder binary for macosx |
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| 21:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | disq, I stole the one from ffmpegx. |
| 21:46.51 | disq | i'm using darwinports to build one right now |
| 21:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | That was broken when I tried about two months ago. |
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| 21:56.51 | disq | yes, that worked better |
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| 22:19.05 | guerby | hi, I've installed ogg support for OS2008 but when I click on a .ogg file from the file manager it proposes me to choose an application to open it. i choose media player and it works but I wonder if there's a way to get rid of the question |
| 22:22.11 | ds3 | arrg. so wish nokia put in a little reset hole like palm did on the treo |
| 22:22.52 | kala | N770 has a reset hole? |
| 22:23.24 | ds3 | the 770 does? I am refering the N800. pulling out batteries to reset when messing with the kernel is getting old |
| 22:23.31 | Jaffa | ah, kernel hacking. |
| 22:23.47 | ds3 | *nod* |
| 22:24.03 | ds3 | prehaps a developers cable for the N800? *hint* *hint* =) |
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| 22:38.35 | pupnik_ | guerby: good question - search internettablettalk.com |
| 22:39.19 | guerby | pupnik_, I've looked at the ogg stuff but it's mostly about the ogg theora / W3C / Nokia fiasco than anything else of technical interest :) |
| 22:39.33 | guerby | pupnik_, (on internettablettalk) |
| 22:39.37 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 22:39.54 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 22:39.55 | pupnik_ | then maemo wiki? |
| 22:40.02 | halley | guerby, I'd start searching for things like "mime types" not ogg specifically. |
| 22:40.03 | derf | guerby: The person you want to talk to is kulve (author of Ogg Support). |
| 22:40.28 | wumpus | did nokia already realize that ogg isn't propatiary? :') |
| 22:41.34 | halley | Save it for the forums, this is a fruitless topic, wumpus. ;) |
| 22:41.46 | wumpus | I was just kidding |
| 22:42.51 | lardman | aaaarrrghh |
| 22:42.56 | lardman | that's much better |
| 22:43.48 | guerby | halley, derf, thx. |
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| 22:51.28 | goortza | Does anyone know if Stardict and Whitestork have been ported to OS2008? |
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| 22:54.09 | lardman | it just gets stranger and stranger |
| 22:54.37 | halley | Talking to oneself is odd; typing to oneself in chat is odder. |
| 22:55.08 | lardman | now my dbg() statement won't print the value of byteRead, but if I assign that value to another unsigned int it will display the value of that var, the difference being the 2nd one is local |
| 22:55.25 | lardman | halley: staves off madness for a little while longer |
| 22:59.54 | lardman | damn! it all comes down to the fact that dbg() can't return the value of long |
| 23:00.19 | lardman | so all along the variables have been correct, but dbg() just fails and reports 0 instead of the value |
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| 23:02.28 | ds3 | DOH |
| 23:02.51 | derf | lardman: :) |
| 23:02.54 | lardman | so much for the docs saying it's format string is the same as printf() type functions |
| 23:03.05 | lardman | s/it's/its |
| 23:03.14 | ds3 | it is the same except when it is not ;) |
| 23:03.21 | lardman | :) yeah |
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| 23:03.35 | lardman | at least I'd not quite gone mad |
| 23:04.48 | ds3 | I wonder if the DSP part you are debugging is accessible via the normal debugging port on the ARM |
| 23:05.06 | lardman | no idea |
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| 23:06.43 | ds3 | that dsp is a stock C5500, IIRC? |
| 23:08.09 | lardman | yes I think so, difficult to work out the exact subversion of the c55 though |
| 23:08.16 | shacka1 | lardman, the sdk has *nothing* for debugging ? |
| 23:08.50 | lardman | If you use the Ti bridge then yes, for the dspgateway, no (afaik) |
| 23:09.21 | shacka1 | ouch |
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| 23:09.56 | lardman | it just adds to the fun and excitement ;) |
| 23:14.28 | lardman | anyway, I'm making progress, I'm now (possibly, depending on whether it's actually a long misreported) up to bytes=oy->fifo_fill=0 (when it should read 1024) |
| 23:14.52 | pupnik_ | oy |
| 23:15.03 | derf | Hooray! |
| 23:15.03 | _|Nix|_ | Is maemo-mapper available for Chinook? |
| 23:15.21 | halley | Yes, but with limitations. |
| 23:15.29 | _|Nix|_ | How so? |
| 23:15.48 | halley | It can't enable N810's builtin GPS nicely, for one. |
| 23:16.01 | _|Nix|_ | halley: I just want to install the package. |
| 23:16.06 | _|Nix|_ | Where can I find it? |
| 23:16.38 | halley | maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 is always a good place to start... |
| 23:16.56 | halley | I also wish the dataset were google maps, not whatever European maps it has. US coverage is pitiful. |
| 23:17.17 | _|Nix|_ | You can add Google Maps to Maemo Mapper, AFAIK. |
| 23:17.39 | halley | I couldn't see how in the interface, but haven't tried seriously. |
| 23:17.44 | _|Nix|_ | WTF ?! http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008 --> Server Error |
| 23:18.01 | _|Nix|_ | halley: You can download map repositories. |
| 23:18.19 | halley | Did I mention maemo.org is running on an N770 through USB? |
| 23:18.30 | _|Nix|_ | :o) |
| 23:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | It is google maps, halley. |
| 23:18.56 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm fairly certain it can enable the N810's GPS on it's own now, too. |
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| 23:19.14 | _|Nix|_ | I don't think it's on maemo.org/downloads :o( |
| 23:19.22 | _|Nix|_ | So, what's the repo for it? |
| 23:19.28 | lardman | derf: I see an interesting thing here |
| 23:19.48 | derf | lardman: ? |
| 23:19.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gnuite.com/ |
| 23:19.59 | lardman | derf: _get_next_page calls _get_data calls my read fn and asks for 1024 bytes |
| 23:20.14 | derf | Okay. |
| 23:20.20 | halley | apt-get update often freezes and duplicates sources.list entries for some reason. |
| 23:20.29 | _|Nix|_ | OK, it's in Extras, it seems. |
| 23:20.32 | lardman | derf: but these are 16bit bytes, so when it returns the value of bytes=oy->fifo_fill it's twice as large |
| 23:20.45 | lardman | derf: as it has presumably worked that out |
| 23:20.56 | wumpus | 16 bit bytes? uh oh |
| 23:21.06 | lardman | tell me about it :) |
| 23:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | halley, if you go to the Map Repositories settings you can download the Google and VirtualEarth stuff. |
| 23:21.24 | derf | lardman: This is where my knowledge of what systems without an 8-bit char actually do fails me. |
| 23:21.55 | derf | When you feed the DSP "bytes", are they two bytes packed in one char, or one byte per char, using twice the memory? |
| 23:21.58 | lardman | derf: I'm just wondering if I should actually interpret the amount of data that _get_data() asks for as 8bit bytes (and therefore halve whatever it says) |
| 23:22.24 | lardman | byte=char=16bits iirc |
| 23:23.05 | lardman | although I guess I should talk about chars not bytes as they are usually 8bits? |
| 23:23.12 | derf | lardman: Somewhere, the Ogg bitpacker operates on a fundamental unit of 8 bits. |
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| 23:23.24 | lardman | ah no, the DSP manual says bytes are also 16bit |
| 23:23.35 | Zippy | Greetings everyone! ;o) |
| 23:23.47 | derf | So the things in the _file_ you are playing are 8 bits. |
| 23:23.55 | lardman | derf: yes, that's fine, and I'm glad to see that it's worked out how large the byte is on the DSP, just wondering about when it asks for data |
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| 23:24.07 | lardman | derf: I'll keep it in mind and perhaps alter it later on |
| 23:24.35 | derf | I can't answer the question until you can tell me how the 8-bit data from the file is actually arranged in memory on the DSP. |
| 23:25.24 | lardman | 16bit data is arranged like 16bit little endian data on an ARM |
| 23:25.47 | lardman | 32bit data is arranged as two chunks of LE 16bits, but with the chunks arranged in BE order |
| 23:25.59 | lardman | just to make things even more exciting |
| 23:26.04 | zerojay | Adblock+ working for anyone? |
| 23:26.08 | derf | Good grief. I didn't think anyone still used mixed-endian words. |
| 23:26.08 | halley | My apt-fu is rusty; how can I ask for just an update of maemo-mapper? |
| 23:26.41 | goortza | halley: apt-get install maemo-mapper I think |
| 23:26.54 | |R | zerojay : not me... |
| 23:26.55 | halley | install twice isn't redundant? |
| 23:27.48 | Zippy | Pop quiz guys. Is there any way to remove the default block cursor when using X-Term? |
| 23:28.23 | goortza | halley: I guess you can think of it as installing a newer version of the package. Personally I would have allowed an argument to upgrade |
| 23:28.38 | halley | Yeah, too used to rpm semantics there. |
| 23:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just do it in app manager. |
| 23:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it's not working for me. |
| 23:31.23 | halley | I have the latest maemomapper, according to the apt, but still no GPS enabling. |
| 23:31.36 | halley | Maybe there's a newer upstream that's not on the repo. |
| 23:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on ITT about it. |
| 23:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like there may have been something mildly non-obvious involved. |
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| 23:33.40 | lardman | derf: oggbyte_read1() is returning 0 all the time |
| 23:33.49 | lardman | derf: looks like that's the issue |
| 23:34.30 | derf | lardman: Okay. I'll try to look at the code later tonight and see what 16-bit byte problems could be causing something like that. |
| 23:34.47 | lardman | derf: you have the url of the code I'm using? |
| 23:34.59 | lardman | which may be modified |
| 23:35.17 | derf | It's somewhere in my scrollback. |
| 23:35.34 | lardman | cool, thanks |
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| 23:39.24 | lardman | derf: it looks like, amongst other things, the code I have doesn't have ptr in oggbyte_buffer |
| 23:44.53 | Zippy | Is there any way to have the cursor not be displayed while using X Terminal? |
| 23:46.19 | GeneralAntilles | The cursor isn't displayed in xterm. |
| 23:46.55 | Zippy | Yeah, the white block thingabobber. |
| 23:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, THAT cursor. |
| 23:47.30 | Zippy | Yep. :o) |
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| 23:53.52 | Zippy | So is there a way General? |
| 23:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 23:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to? |
| 23:54.47 | Zippy | It's kind of messing up the graphics when using Telnet. That's all. |
| 23:54.57 | Zippy | It's nothing critical, just looking to see if there's a fix. |
| 23:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, telnet. |
| 23:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not one of my use cases. |
| 23:58.10 | Zippy | Yeah, I'm somewhat behind in the times I guess. |
