| 00:00.59 | derf | I think the only other one I know of is that if you search for whole English words, it'll highlight every instance of the string in the entry, even if it's not a whole word. |
| 00:01.03 | halley | Hrm, didn't see any change in the radical window behavior, checking if I did install wrong. |
| 00:01.37 | halley | Oh, I did. wget added a .1 |
| 00:02.11 | derf | (but that's an upstream bug... not that most of these others weren't, also) |
| 00:03.56 | halley | It goes crazy trying to search each time I click ^ or v but it does work. |
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| 00:04.46 | derf | Well, I mean, that's what it's supposed to do. |
| 00:05.13 | halley | Yeah... understood. Maybe a "wait 250ms then start searching" but I know that's adding complexity. |
| 00:05.40 | derf | You're supposed to enter a few radicals, etc., first. |
| 00:05.47 | halley | Agreed. |
| 00:05.48 | derf | Or, you know, get a faster processor. |
| 00:05.57 | halley | Heh. |
| 00:06.02 | derf | (battery life? what battery life?) |
| 00:06.25 | halley | The search by strokes is just OVER the radicals, so it seems logical someone would dial that in first. |
| 00:06.35 | halley | I'm just quibbling, this is awesome. |
| 00:06.51 | halley | If I figure out the icon sizing anomaly, I'll give it to you. |
| 00:06.59 | derf | Yeah, I didn't design the program. |
| 00:07.51 | halley | Good deal. |
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| 00:25.43 | Species8472 | hi |
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| 00:33.39 | l7 | hey, is anyone finding the samba feature in os 2008 buggy? |
| 00:33.53 | l7 | it seems to work part of the time |
| 00:34.06 | l7 | then it breaks until i restore the original settings |
| 00:34.12 | l7 | then after a while it seems to break again |
| 00:35.41 | halley | Seems to work until you adjust it. Hm. |
| 00:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | Figure out something consistently reproducible and file a bug. :) |
| 00:38.34 | l7 | halley: how do you adjust it? |
| 00:38.44 | l7 | it seems that there are no configuration settings for it |
| 00:39.06 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: only pattern i can see so far that it breaks after a while and restore all settings fixes it |
| 00:39.23 | GeneralAntilles | Then file that. |
| 00:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | Give some timeframe, and describe the "breaking". |
| 00:40.19 | l7 | breaking simply means that file manager does not see any samba shares anymore |
| 00:40.37 | l7 | and i think it breaks after about a day or two |
| 00:40.47 | halley | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:40.49 | l7 | i'm not sure if clear all data fixes it |
| 00:41.05 | l7 | i think i can test that later, if it breaks again |
| 00:41.08 | Species8472 | I found a bug too. |
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| 00:41.37 | Species8472 | It has a red colour. |
| 00:41.50 | Species8472 | And six legs. |
| 00:42.06 | Species8472 | Where can I file it GeneralAntilles? |
| 00:42.37 | l7 | very funny |
| 00:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | l7, does usage influence it? |
| 00:42.45 | l7 | i was just wondering if anyone else had noticed |
| 00:43.25 | Species8472 | thanks l7, though 'ha' would be a more appropriate response |
| 00:43.25 | l7 | i've been using it only very lightly |
| 00:44.16 | l7 | maybe running other applications such as the browser, or ssh affect it |
| 00:44.56 | l7 | or it could be my flaky router, but that wouldn't explain why restoring settings would fix it |
| 00:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | The network fileshares implementation is pretty flaky altogether right now. |
| 00:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | UPnP is a lot worse than in OS2007. |
| 00:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Open a bug, and it should bring some sort of response. |
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| 00:46.39 | l7 | does wizard mounter differ from the file manager in OS2008? |
| 00:46.42 | l7 | hrm, okay |
| 00:47.15 | l7 | anyhow it needs some more features, like the ability to refresh the share you are looking at w/o closing and reopening file manager |
| 00:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | At the very least, even if they've already fixed it internally, it'll give us a marker to track changes. |
| 00:47.57 | l7 | maemo.org is slow again :\ |
| 00:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | l7, open some enhancement requests while you're at it. :P |
| 00:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | bugzilla seems ok. |
| 00:48.20 | l7 | heh, i will after i can get this thing to load |
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| 00:48.28 | Species8472 | hi unique311 |
| 00:48.42 | unique311 | who u? |
| 00:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | A troll, ignore him. ;) |
| 00:48.51 | Species8472 | I'm Species8472, and you? |
| 00:49.14 | unique311 | i am unique311 |
| 00:49.31 | unique311 | but now i will ignore you, considering i've been told to do so. |
| 00:49.38 | Species8472 | GeneralAntilles why are you trying to set everyone against me calling me a troll every time? |
| 00:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Because I know you. :) |
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| 00:50.13 | Species8472 | hi philipl |
| 00:50.39 | Species8472 | philipl, be sure to ignore GeneralAntilles, he's a troll |
| 00:56.51 | Species8472 | I have to go, bye GeneralAntilles |
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| 00:58.12 | l7 | "Zarro Boogs found. " |
| 00:58.14 | l7 | cute. |
| 00:58.28 | zerojay | l7: New to bugzilla, I assume? |
| 00:58.57 | l7 | zerojay: yeah |
| 00:59.21 | l7 | i think i saw an app for a bugzilla client on the IT |
| 00:59.29 | zerojay | Mabugz. |
| 01:00.09 | zerojay | I use it for my Bugzilla at work as well. |
| 01:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | Any word on an OS2008 version? |
| 01:01.01 | zerojay | I thought yerga already brought one out? |
| 01:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't noticed. |
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| 01:08.24 | lopz | re |
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| 01:41.12 | Tenkawa | hey all |
| 01:41.47 | halley | Er, congrats? |
| 01:41.59 | Tenkawa | hows it run so far for you all? |
| 01:42.06 | Vulcanis | Amazingly. |
| 01:42.08 | Vulcanis | youtube is bearable. |
| 01:42.12 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 01:42.13 | Vulcanis | Stuff still crashes, though. |
| 01:42.22 | Vulcanis | Quetoo is fast. |
| 01:42.25 | Tenkawa | I kinda look forward to messing with pidgin on it |
| 01:42.31 | Vulcanis | Yeah. |
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| 01:42.37 | Tenkawa | did they do anything to help battery life? |
| 01:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | Tenkawa: jablet.net |
| 01:42.54 | Vulcanis | It doesn't make it any worse, but I don't think it made it much better, either |
| 01:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Tenkawa. |
| 01:43.02 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 01:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | The CPU throttles now |
| 01:43.07 | Tenkawa | nice |
| 01:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | so it jumps around between 165MHz and 400MHz. |
| 01:43.41 | Tenkawa | thats handy |
| 01:43.54 | Vulcanis | hablet better than pidgin? |
| 01:43.57 | Vulcanis | ja* |
| 01:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 01:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | Uses built-in client, which is so much better. |
| 01:44.32 | l7 | so jablet is better than pidgin? |
| 01:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 01:44.46 | l7 | oops, jinx i guess :) |
| 01:45.00 | l7 | i wonder if there's any privacy issues there |
| 01:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 01:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | If you're worried |
| 01:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | go interrogate zerojay. |
| 01:45.35 | l7 | heh okay |
| 01:46.00 | l7 | hah |
| 01:46.14 | l7 | well i haven't convinced many people to use OTR encryption anyhow |
| 01:46.16 | |R | that and OTR |
| 01:46.33 | |R | everyone i know use it now that's it's included basically everywhere |
| 01:46.40 | |R | s/'s// |
| 01:47.17 | |R | I guess geeky people don't like added complexity, but i encourage the effort nonetheless :) |
| 01:48.50 | GeneralAntilles | Adium's OTR is basically transparent. |
| 01:48.59 | |R | yeah |
| 01:49.53 | |R | we need OTR for SIP now ;) |
| 01:51.27 | Robot101 | there should be the pidgin-based backend for the built-in stuff available soon |
| 01:51.44 | Robot101 | aaaany day now |
| 01:51.48 | |R | hehe |
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| 01:57.49 | |R | Robot101 : was this sarcastic or a real statement? weren't you working on telepathy? :) |
| 01:58.13 | Robot101 | a real statement. and yes, I was. I still am :) |
| 01:58.27 | Robot101 | well, actually these days I seem to be trying to patch ejabberd for OLPC |
| 01:58.34 | Robot101 | but I don't know erlang so it's kinda hard |
| 01:58.39 | |R | hehe :) |
| 01:59.17 | l7 | it will be nice to avoid installing pidgin |
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| 02:01.30 | l7 | has anyone noticed that the tablet runs faster with less apps installed? |
| 02:01.50 | l7 | emptying out the built in flash seems to help a bit too |
| 02:03.01 | l7 | There was an error communicating with the server. |
| 02:03.01 | l7 | Details: None |
| 02:03.21 | l7 | weird, this is what it said when i signed with Psi |
| 02:03.48 | zerojay | Say my name, say my name... |
| 02:04.02 | l7 | nvm, it seems to be working |
| 02:04.19 | l7 | i think Psi gave me that message becaues i was also signed into jabber with ichat |
| 02:04.27 | l7 | i guess it doesn't like multiple logins |
| 02:04.57 | zerojay | l7: In terms of privacy, there's only one person with access to the Jabber server and that's me... and I don't give a shit about what you think of your mom's cooking or what Doug thinks of the Cowboys this year or whatever. |
| 02:05.17 | zerojay | l7: Logs are kept, but only three of the four types. |
| 02:05.52 | zerojay | l7: warn for server warnings (Java errors, mostly), err (again, mostly Java errors), info (mainly new users). |
| 02:06.07 | zerojay | l7: Last one is debug, which is absolutely everything, including everyone's messages. |
| 02:06.48 | l7 | how long are the logs kept? |
| 02:07.18 | zerojay | l7: However, due to the incredibly huge amount of traffic involved, even if I wanted to read everyone's messages, it's more or less impossible just because of the volume... so debug is never logged unless I specifically am trying to debug a problem in the server (like I did with this Y! issue I've been having). |
| 02:07.49 | zerojay | I would say it grows by about 2MB/sec. |
| 02:07.57 | zerojay | So.. yeah.. lol |
| 02:08.07 | l7 | are the account names and passwords on your server as well? |
| 02:08.44 | halley | But the NSA could sneak a copy! |
| 02:08.50 | zerojay | Yes. Account names are shown. Passwords are only stored encrypted. |
| 02:09.51 | zerojay | The GUI allows me to change the password that the gateway will use to authenticate, but of course doesn't show what the original password was.. .and of course, does not allow me to change the password you use to connect to those services. |
| 02:10.19 | zerojay | l7: The server software I run is called Openfire. |
| 02:10.39 | zerojay | l7: If you've got any other questions, feel free to ask. |
| 02:11.22 | l7 | eh, i generally have faith in open source projects |
| 02:11.28 | halley | Could someone PLEASE tell me how an app icon is *supposed* to be located so that it appears at the right scale in all the menus and sidebar? No matter where I put files of whatever size, they show up wrong-sized somewhere. |
| 02:11.32 | l7 | but it never hurts to be paranoid :) |
| 02:11.46 | zerojay | l7: Oh... the logs I believe are kept until I tell it to get rid of them, but since the three types of logs I keep show nothing along the lines of your conversations or whatever.. there's no privacy issues there. |
| 02:12.34 | zerojay | l7: Debug, I generally just remove after I'm done needing it, though I sometimes get lazy and don't remove it after turning off debug logging (usually because I'm on a weak wifi at work and I'm already freaking out about some potential problem on the Jabber server...) |
| 02:13.22 | l7 | hrm, that is true |
| 02:14.01 | l7 | i guess the convenience factor is worth it, it's not like unencrypted IM is really that secure to begin with |
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| 02:14.35 | zerojay | I realize that I'm just another faceless name out there in the internet ether, so my word can't count for much, but I can tell you that I honestly just don't give a shit about what you do or say so long as you aren't trying to take the server down or cause any disruptions. |
| 02:16.23 | zerojay | Most of the time, if I'm on IM, I'm joking around with friends or catching up with them or sending URLs or whatever. The only time I would say that people should need encrypted IM is when they're doing work... but if you are doing work that needs to remain private, well, you've already failed when you routed it out publically anyways. |
| 02:16.49 | halley | Geez, no doubt. |
| 02:17.15 | zerojay | 319 accounts. Cool. |
| 02:18.19 | zerojay | More people are using the tablets as a client than I expected. |
| 02:18.31 | zerojay | Well, if you go by the idea that resource "Telepathy" = tablet, anyways. |
| 02:20.18 | l7 | hrm, jabber is a pretty cool protocol if it can do all these things |
| 02:20.37 | l7 | i wonder if it could mirror irc channels too |
| 02:20.59 | zerojay | There is an IRC transport to allow you to use IRC through your Jabber account. |
| 02:21.03 | zerojay | Yes, it works on the tablets. |
| 02:21.09 | l7 | wow nice |
| 02:21.11 | zerojay | No, I cannot activate it. |
| 02:21.22 | l7 | oh |
| 02:21.41 | l7 | maybe another jabber client supports it |
| 02:22.04 | zerojay | Unfortuately, because the uplink my provider uses specifically disallows IRC traffic, my provider, and thus I, to my dismay, have to as well. |
| 02:22.15 | zerojay | Jabber clients don't support anything. |
| 02:22.19 | zerojay | The Jabber servers do. |
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| 02:23.00 | zerojay | Believe me, not needing to have Xchat installed anymore would be nice. :) |
| 02:23.10 | l7 | hmm, are you running the jabber server from your house? |
| 02:23.14 | zerojay | Though I wonder how slow it would go in a channel like this. |
| 02:23.16 | zerojay | No. |
| 02:23.59 | zerojay | Before I started Jablet, I ran the Openfire server on my home Linux box (same one I'm typing to you on now) to take a look at how Openfire worked, but before I went public, I paid for a hosting service. |
| 02:24.28 | l7 | ah cool |
| 02:24.37 | l7 | how long are you going to run it? |
| 02:24.52 | l7 | is it a non-profit type of experiment? |
| 02:24.56 | zerojay | As long as I possibly can. I personally use it as well. |
| 02:25.12 | zerojay | It's sort of a partnership between Texrat and I. |
| 02:25.31 | zerojay | I just wanted to host the thing.. he wanted to handle the non-profit kind of stuff or whatever. |
| 02:25.38 | zerojay | I don't know anything about that kind of stuff, to be honest. |
| 02:25.59 | zerojay | We accept donations which go directly to hosting costs. |
| 02:26.19 | zerojay | (If I could get the money out of the account anyways...) |
| 02:26.44 | l7 | ah, well it is cool that you are providing a free service to the community |
| 02:26.50 | zerojay | He's got to set it up with a bank account before any sort of transaction could be made with the Paypal account... or some stupidity like that. |
| 02:27.11 | l7 | what is the homepage? |
| 02:27.17 | zerojay | Well, I wanted an excuse to run a Jabber server. I've been using Jabber on and off for about 7 years now. |
| 02:27.35 | zerojay | jabber.net, though there's not really much to look at for the moment. |
| 02:27.44 | zerojay | Kind of started work on the Jabber server first. |
| 02:27.49 | zerojay | er. |
| 02:27.50 | zerojay | Wait. |
| 02:27.52 | zerojay | Jablet.net |
| 02:27.53 | zerojay | lol |
| 02:28.02 | l7 | heh |
| 02:28.08 | l7 | jabber.net looks kinda corporate |
| 02:28.38 | zerojay | Anyways, I was getting kind of annoyed with people saying that you HAD to have PIdgin installed to get onto AIM and MSN and others.. so I decided to prove them wrong and show them the benefits. |
| 02:28.44 | zerojay | And so Jablet was born. |
| 02:28.50 | zerojay | Other ideas are happening. |
| 02:29.09 | zerojay | Video Center database which works (waiting on Video Center to get a 2008 port though) |
| 02:29.27 | zerojay | Basically, it's one click adding of podcasts/videocasts in formats known to work on the tablets. |
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| 02:29.42 | zerojay | Works the same way as Nokia's own service catalog. |
| 02:29.50 | l7 | hrm, that sounds pretty cool |
| 02:30.06 | l7 | the IT platform is looking better and better |
| 02:30.18 | zerojay | I'm looking into also hosting a version of Mugshot's service as well, which also uses the same Openfire server I run. |
| 02:31.12 | zerojay | To sort of give tablet users one place they can give others to show... sort of like "my life online.. what I've been doing recently" showing off, say... recent blog posts, songs played through last.fm, pics added to flickr, whatever else works through RSS. |
| 02:31.46 | zerojay | (Mugshot doesn't quite give me all the services I want.) |
| 02:32.46 | zerojay | Here's my Mugshot page: http://mugshot.org/person?who=Q6n0GbNzCVmQZf |
| 02:32.50 | l7 | mugshot.org? that looks convenient |
| 02:32.59 | zerojay | So... a bit of an idea of what I want to do for tablet users. |
| 02:33.40 | zerojay | Maybe a bit more integration into the Jabber server perhaps. |
| 02:34.31 | l7 | hrm, mugshot sort of reminds me of nokia' MOSH |
| 02:34.42 | l7 | s/nokia'/nokia's |
| 02:35.14 | zerojay | Mosh is more about collecting things and posting them for others to see.. Mugshot's kind of more about showing what you've been up to. |
| 02:36.19 | l7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.43 | l7 | whups |
| 02:36.50 | zerojay | So the whole Jablet thing is kind of... along the lines of what I've always wanted to do for myself, but didn't have the motivation to do until others said they were interested as well. :P |
| 02:44.01 | Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: With jablet, since it is a second jabber account... is there a way to merge both "accounts", so I don't have to choose one account when I try to message them. |
| 02:44.04 | Vulcanis | . = ? |
| 02:44.44 | zerojay | Vulcanis: You already have a Jabber account somewhere else? |
| 02:44.57 | Vulcanis | Yeah, googletalk |
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| 02:45.10 | zerojay | Googletalk's separate. |
| 02:45.23 | Vulcanis | Thought that used jabber, too? |
| 02:45.27 | zerojay | It does. |
| 02:45.38 | zerojay | You can use it in two ways. |
| 02:45.46 | Vulcanis | Then maybe I don't see what you're trying to say |
| 02:45.56 | zerojay | One: Have one Jabber account, one Googletalk account on your tablet. |
| 02:46.14 | zerojay | Two: Have one Jabber account and use your Googletalk account through the GTalk gateway on the Jablet server. |
| 02:46.26 | Vulcanis | I guess I'll have to do that |
| 02:46.34 | zerojay | Either way, you can add the same person on both if you choose and merge them together in the Contacts app. |
| 02:46.38 | Vulcanis | because otherwise, it gives an annoying prompt every time I try ot message someone |
| 02:47.02 | zerojay | Which prompt is that? |
| 02:47.32 | Vulcanis | Sec. |
| 02:47.50 | Vulcanis | From speed contacts, do not know if it is from anywhere else. |
| 02:48.15 | Vulcanis | speed contacts > name > chat option in the menu > box pops up with my jabber account and my gtalk account, asking me to choose one |
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| 02:48.32 | Vulcanis | Well, the top one shows a gtalk chatbubble and the jabber lightbulb, so dunno. |
| 02:48.35 | zerojay | Yeah, because you have that same person added on both accounts. |
| 02:48.53 | Vulcanis | No, I do not. |
| 02:48.57 | Vulcanis | They are not in my gtalk account |
| 02:49.16 | Vulcanis | they only appear once under "all", too. |
| 02:49.33 | zerojay | Well, it's because it's Jabber.. and since you have a Gtalk and a Jabber account... that would be why. |
| 02:50.03 | zerojay | I think you won't get that prompt if you use the Gtalk gateway on my server. |
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| 02:50.29 | zerojay | Should happen anytime I try to message someone on Gtalk, right? |
| 02:50.32 | zerojay | I'll try it. |
| 02:50.44 | Vulcanis | I just added it, so it doesn't really matter anyway. |
| 02:50.51 | Vulcanis | and I'll kill the gtalk on the n800. |
| 02:50.52 | zerojay | ok |
| 02:53.59 | Vulcanis | So how do I authorize the contacts on the tablet? |
| 02:54.29 | zerojay | They should already be authorized, I believe. |
| 02:54.47 | zerojay | Check your Contacts. |
| 02:54.57 | Vulcanis | it says they are not, once I added them through psi and tried to chat through the n800 client |
| 02:55.29 | zerojay | Are you on both at once? |
| 02:55.44 | Vulcanis | Oh, actually. |
| 02:55.49 | Vulcanis | I forgot to close gtalk on the laptop. |
| 02:56.33 | zerojay | Generally speaking, if someone is on your contact list on Gtalk, they should already be authorized on the tablet as well. |
| 02:56.48 | Vulcanis | Yeah, but this is going through the jablet server. |
| 02:56.59 | Vulcanis | Still says unauthorized |
| 02:57.07 | zerojay | Shouldn't change anything. |
| 02:57.26 | Vulcanis | Restarting the tablet to see if that helps at all. |
| 02:57.26 | zerojay | If they show up as authorized on Gtalk, they should on the server as well. |
| 02:57.33 | Vulcanis | Yes, but for some reason, they are not. |
| 02:57.42 | zerojay | Vulcanis: What's your Jablet account name? I'll check and see what the server thinks. |
| 02:57.51 | Vulcanis | should be chaos@jablet.org |
| 02:58.15 | Vulcanis | Its odd, though |
| 02:58.19 | Vulcanis | Psi can use it |
| 02:58.47 | zerojay | All your subscriptions are only one-way. |
| 02:59.08 | Vulcanis | I'm new to this, you're going to need to explain thta. |
| 03:00.09 | zerojay | When you add someone to your buddy list, you're asking them for authorization. If they say yes, you've got an authorization to them. If they never add YOU to their list, the authorization is only one way. |
| 03:00.20 | zerojay | Hm.. I'm starting to wonder if you're having the same issue I had. |
| 03:00.24 | Vulcanis | No, I have messaged them. |
| 03:00.34 | Vulcanis | and they have back. So I do not think it is that. |
| 03:00.48 | zerojay | You don't need to have authorization to message or receive messages. |
| 03:00.59 | zerojay | Authorization is for viewing status. |
| 03:01.06 | Vulcanis | Hm. |
| 03:01.15 | zerojay | Hang on a sec... I think you might have been bit by the same thing I have been.. wait a sec. |
| 03:01.29 | zerojay | Open up a contact that you are having this problem with. |
| 03:01.41 | zerojay | Go to Contacts, and look at their information. |
| 03:01.49 | zerojay | You should see their Gmail/AIM whatever listed there. |
| 03:02.20 | Vulcanis | checking |
| 03:02.47 | Vulcanis | Yeah. |
| 03:03.00 | zerojay | I think what is happening is that the tablet sometimes decides "all Gtalk and Jabber contacts should be contactable"... and other times, it sees the accounts as separate. |
| 03:03.29 | Vulcanis | Well, apparently, this is just showing @gmail.com |
| 03:03.36 | Vulcanis | so it may be using the old contact info |
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| 03:03.43 | zerojay | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=637 <-- Look at the icon before the person's Jabber accounts listed there.. do you see the same icon or do you see.... |
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| 03:04.04 | zerojay | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=638 <-- this dual icon? |
| 03:04.12 | Vulcanis | its a dual icon, as I had said before. |
| 03:04.19 | zerojay | Yeah, that's the problem. |
| 03:04.50 | zerojay | Copy the text in the field, create a new field for the Jabber account, paste it and hit ok... and you should get your authorizations. |
| 03:05.08 | Vulcanis | Ungh. Here goes 15 of them. |
| 03:05.29 | zerojay | At least you haven't had to to 60+ of them on an almost daily basis like I have. |
| 03:05.30 | zerojay | :) |
| 03:05.46 | zerojay | I believe this is a bug on the tablet if Gtalk's been added.. I'm not sure. |
| 03:05.52 | Vulcanis | Heh. |
| 03:05.56 | Vulcanis | gtalk _was_ added |
| 03:05.58 | Vulcanis | I killed it |
| 03:06.04 | zerojay | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2421 |
| 03:07.02 | zerojay | You've got me interested now.. wonder what my contacts show on the server. |
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| 03:07.24 | zerojay | Fuck... it says to also. |
| 03:08.00 | zerojay | Vulcanis: I think I can do it for you. |
| 03:08.16 | zerojay | Vulcanis: Don't do anything. I'll change it to both on the server and we'll see what it does. |
| 03:08.27 | zerojay | (If there's no need to go pasting over and over again...) |
| 03:08.32 | Vulcanis | Yeah. |
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| 03:09.03 | pupnik | Psi 5 Trading company |
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| 03:13.01 | Vulcanis | Bah, apparently, because I had the gtalk account before, anyone with the same name stayed associated with that |
| 03:13.24 | Vulcanis | Because some of the gtalk contacts I did not have there, are at something/gtalk... but the ones that don't work are still @gmail.com |
| 03:13.58 | zerojay | To be on the safe side, I'll set them to have auth both ways on the server. |
| 03:14.05 | zerojay | Your contacts. |
| 03:14.14 | Vulcanis | Thanks. |
| 03:14.33 | zerojay | Seems that all my MSN contacts are just "To". |
| 03:17.29 | lopz | bye |
| 03:19.15 | Vulcanis | yeah, turns out there were multiple contacts under 'all' |
| 03:19.21 | Vulcanis | Thanks, though. |
| 03:22.57 | zerojay | np |
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| 04:14.50 | pupnik | [Slashdot: Your Rights Online] Nokia Claims Ogg Format is "Proprietary" - |
| 04:14.51 | pupnik | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotYourRightsOnline/~3/197722474/article.pl |
| 04:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | Is it actually even an official Nokia stance? |
| 04:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | It seems rather blown out of proportion. |
| 04:16.39 | pupnik | http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf |
| 04:17.19 | |R | well, that's what the pdf says |
| 04:18.06 | pupnik | "Any DRM-incompatible video-related mechanism is a non-starter with the content industry (Hollywood)" |
| 04:18.23 | pupnik | that's fairly indisputable i guess |
| 04:18.57 | |R | That good old Symbian mentality? ;) |
| 04:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | There's a smilie in that pdf |
| 04:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | How utterly unprofessional. |
| 04:19.50 | pupnik | Anything beyond that, including a W3C-lead standardization of a ?free? codec, or the |
| 04:19.53 | pupnik | active endorsement of proprietary technology such as Ogg, ?, by W3C, is, in our |
| 04:19.56 | pupnik | opinion, not helpful for the co-existence of the two ecosystems (web and video), and |
| 04:19.59 | pupnik | therefore not our choice. |
| 04:20.24 | |R | can we fire that lawyer? |
| 04:20.26 | |R | :P |
| 04:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | "All these alternatives are, in our opinion, preferable over the recommendation of the |
| 04:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ogg technologies, based almost exclusively on the current perception of them being |
| 04:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | free." |
| 04:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid PDFs and their stupid hard-wrapping. |
| 04:22.20 | pupnik | I presonally do not buy any drm content (excepting DVDs which are trivially reproduceable now) |
| 04:22.44 | |R | i don't buy content, i live content... |
| 04:22.55 | pupnik | But for companies to support a standard i understand why they would insist on DRM. |
| 04:23.00 | |R | (shows for example, i refuse to pay for anything tangible) |
| 04:24.02 | pupnik | Should ogg have had a mechanism for supporting DRM content? |
| 04:24.18 | |R | if it's a flag like the original pdf security, that you can ignore, sure ;) |
| 04:25.41 | pupnik | I guess i disagree with nokia. Web standards as defined by W3C should be open (and ogg is) |
| 04:25.57 | pupnik | And if any particular company wants to brew their own soup, they can do-so. |
| 04:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
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| 04:33.52 | pupnik | But nokia has a valid business case, that standards for DRM-enabled content will allow manufacturers to better support the online offerings of content providers |
| 04:34.26 | |R | drm in cell phones is going to mean TPM pretty fast... |
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| 04:47.02 | d201132 | exit |
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| 05:05.37 | Spastic | Hello |
| 05:06.31 | Spastic | I was wondering if anyone might be kind enough to help me install minimo on OS 2006. |
| 05:08.45 | Spastic | Is anyone here? |
| 05:09.08 | kriebz | sorry, I failed in my attempt to install minimo |
| 05:10.03 | kriebz | it's the middle of the night on a Sunday in the western hemisphere, I'd expect chat to be quiet |
| 05:10.20 | Spastic | Yes, it always is. |
| 05:11.00 | Spastic | Its a tad frustrating it leaves me wondering what the hell a "X11-common" is. :{ |
| 05:13.07 | kriebz | have you searched the wiki? |
| 05:13.21 | kriebz | foo, I fail to find a pretty world clock for gnome |
| 05:13.24 | Spastic | A search on Maemo.Org returns nil. |
| 05:15.43 | Spastic | So, what kind of tablet do you have? |
| 05:16.57 | kriebz | 770 |
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| 05:18.00 | kriebz | http://www.deal-times.com/General-Talk/Nokia-770-Internet-Tablet/Mini-FireFox-mozilla-based-MINIMO-browser-for-Nokia-770.html |
| 05:18.05 | kriebz | this guy claims to have done it |
| 05:18.14 | kriebz | but I don't like the idea of downloading his packages |
| 05:18.16 | kriebz | sketchy |
| 05:18.22 | kriebz | he should have just linked |
| 05:18.40 | kriebz | also, they may be stale and not work right in the current OS, even if they aren't haxed with |
| 05:19.37 | Spastic | Got it. |
| 05:19.41 | Spastic | Thanks. |
| 05:20.07 | Spastic | I have the 770 too. Finding rs-mmc cards is a pain in the ass.. :S |
| 05:22.14 | kriebz | I got a good deal |
| 05:22.25 | kriebz | I forget where |
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| 05:24.18 | kriebz | $22 seems to get you 1GB |
| 05:24.28 | kriebz | they are also sold as "MMC mobile" |
| 05:24.38 | kriebz | I guess rs-mmc didn't roll off the tongue |
| 05:24.59 | kriebz | the two slots for the N800 is nice |
| 05:25.00 | Spastic | Yes, doesn't have that same ring too it. |
| 05:25.11 | kriebz | since I boot from the MMC, I can't swap it |
| 05:25.43 | Spastic | are you running the default os? |
| 05:26.06 | kriebz | I'm running the latest from Nokia |
| 05:26.12 | kriebz | not hacker edition |
| 05:26.31 | kriebz | but I followed the instructions on the wiki to boot from a larger partition on the MMC card |
| 05:27.03 | kriebz | it's a little faster and even a little more stable, but that might be from bug fixes |
| 05:27.51 | kriebz | the only thing that's been crashing my 770 any more is the cold |
| 05:27.59 | kriebz | hates being cold |
| 05:28.27 | Spastic | Cool, I will probably do that once I get a card. |
| 05:28.51 | Spastic | BTW, you were right not to trust that guys page. I get incompatible package with all the installs. |
| 05:29.13 | kriebz | well, it's old |
| 05:29.30 | kriebz | so I'm not surprised |
| 05:29.52 | Spastic | Sorry to ask so many questions, but do you know how to get flash working in the browser? |
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| 05:35.59 | pupnik_ | Spastic: works here |
| 05:36.19 | pupnik_ | if you mean flash9 support, there is a threat on ITT with howto |
| 05:36.24 | pupnik_ | i can't confirm that tho |
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| 05:36.59 | Spastic | Sorry, but what is ITT? |
| 05:37.38 | ubuntu_ | is it possible for a nokia 770 to operate as a display for a computer? |
| 05:37.55 | ubuntu_ | aside from remote desktop |
| 05:38.03 | Spastic | Not that I know of. |
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| 06:02.16 | pupnik_ | Internet tablet talk |
| 06:02.29 | pupnik_ | forums |
| 06:08.16 | kulve | zerojay: yeah, I removed it as I "announced" it offically.. |
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| 06:23.40 | Ravious | Does anyone know is there some kind of issue with the 2006 repositories? |
| 06:24.56 | Ravious | Im on a fresh reflash of 2006 on a 770, and im getting all kins of errors trying to install anything off the maemo website. |
| 06:25.21 | astro76 | Ravious, looks like maemo.org is down again |
| 06:25.37 | astro76 | err maybe not |
| 06:25.58 | Ravious | Hmm |
| 06:26.37 | Ravious | I'm getting all kinds of dependency errors |
| 06:30.11 | Ravious | Hmm.. Oh well.. Guess im reflashing back to HE2007 |
| 06:30.32 | Ravious | lol |
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| 06:56.34 | oil | hi. I wish to create an debian package. For this I need the ar command, but my openwrt router does not have one. do you know how to go around the problem? |
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| 06:58.17 | oil | eg. do this without 'ar' ar -r your-package-name.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz |
| 06:59.21 | kulve | sounds like you are doing a debian package with a hard way ;) |
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| 07:00.51 | oil | kulve: might be, but I wish to create the package on the fly based on the information set to a web page |
| 07:01.28 | oil | this used to work on my linux 'server' but the hd crashed and now I'm trying to install it to the router |
| 07:04.31 | oil | actually, what would be more easy way to do this? |
| 07:11.35 | melmoth | any list admin there ? i have been unsubscibe from maemo-user yesterday and cannot subscribe again (no mail asking me to confirm my request) |
| 07:12.46 | kulve | oil: the real way of building debs is "dpkg-buildpackage", but I assumed you were doing your things in some limited environment.. |
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| 07:13.28 | oil | kulve: yes. I guess I need to change the building part to another device. |
| 07:13.32 | oil | thanks anyway :) |
| 07:13.44 | keesj | oil: do it on the nokia itself |
| 07:13.54 | zuh | pupnik_: About the Nokia position paper, IMO it tells you something already of the attitude when they are constantly saying '"free"'... Also if I were a musician that released music under open formats, I'd be quite miffed at Nokia for dissing my stuff as inferior just by that. |
| 07:14.22 | oil | keesj: I'd like to have only one server online. therefore the router would be the best option |
| 07:14.40 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 07:14.43 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/brainmlt.jpg |
| 07:14.45 | pupnik_ | i did that in truespace on a 64MB pc |
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| 07:15.27 | keesj | oil how does that relate to you question? if you are searching for trouble deliberately your on your onw |
| 07:15.50 | kulve | keesj: why would he be on his own? :) |
| 07:16.11 | kulve | oil: can't you get ar to the router? |
| 07:16.25 | kulve | it shouldn't be a big binary..? |
| 07:16.36 | oil | keesj: well, yes an no. would be best place to have this functionality |
| 07:16.37 | keesj | there must be a sh implementation of ar somewhere , it like zip right? |
| 07:17.03 | keesj | is it your own router btw? |
| 07:17.12 | oil | kulve: no, can not find. it's asus wl-700ge running kamikaze 7.09.. I'll keep looking |
| 07:18.01 | oil | keesj: jes. that's what I'm looking for. if it would be possible to 'simulate' ar with a script or so |
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| 10:32.34 | alterego | Today, I'm gonna build some crazy modules for my hostified N800 |
| 10:33.36 | inz | What makes the modules crazy? |
| 10:33.42 | alterego | Just me, |
| 10:33.45 | alterego | I make things crazy |
| 10:34.04 | czr | inz, wet & wild pointers? |
| 10:34.05 | alterego | Firstly I'm gonna remove that pesky r&d mode .. |
| 10:34.30 | czr | "kernel modules all gone wild" |
| 10:34.48 | alterego | Sounds like a normal day :P |
| 10:35.16 | czr | I'm trying to solber up mostly. Need to get some stuff for the trip today |
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| 10:36.03 | alterego | I managed to plug my digital camera into the N800, worked "almost" perfectly. It worked but I got a bunch of error messages in th process. Then the device was mounted and the file manager popped open. Tried plugging in a dumb mass storage device. Which I presumed the camera was in that mode, and it didn't work :( |
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| 10:36.34 | alterego | ‌Being able to use my 5in1 card reader on the N810 (when I get it). Will be super handy. |
| 10:42.00 | czr | super handy = 6 fingers? |
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| 10:42.14 | czr | like the hand-signs they have on the doors of the restaurant train cars in finland |
| 10:42.21 | alterego | Hah |
| 10:42.41 | czr | it means (in code) "yes we serve alcohol, and if you actually counted the number of fingers in the sign, you need more of it" |
| 10:43.34 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:43.59 | alterego | So, you leave tomorrow? |
| 10:44.20 | czr | yeah. at around 4 AM |
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| 10:44.40 | alterego | Eesh |
| 10:46.33 | alterego | What's this OMAP2420_SNAPSHOT me wonders. |
| 10:47.08 | czr | -> goes shopping |
| 10:47.14 | alterego | See you later. |
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| 10:47.32 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 10:47.39 | alterego | Hola |
| 10:47.56 | alterego | "CONFIG_MACH_NOKIA_RX44" ? |
| 10:48.02 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 10:48.29 | Khertan | MACH ... ? |
| 10:48.51 | alterego | Actually, that makes sense. The kernel would be for both the N800 and the N810 |
| 10:50.07 | Khertan | i'm surprising if it s a mach kernel :) |
| 10:50.29 | alterego | It's just a tag for "Machine" :P |
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| 10:56.00 | Khertan | ah ... arf |
| 10:58.15 | alterego | Interwesting. They already have USB->Ethernet support for RTL8150 enabled. |
| 11:00.01 | wplayya | usbnet? |
| 11:00.12 | alterego | No, USB to ethernet adapters. |
| 11:00.31 | alterego | Allows you to connect to an Ethernet RJ45 based 10/100/1000 network. |
| 11:00.48 | alterego | I've been toying with buying one for the tablet. |
| 11:01.08 | wplayya | ah ok |
| 11:01.15 | wplayya | nice idrea |
| 11:01.38 | wplayya | but how do zou get 1000MBit on a usb cable_ |
| 11:02.03 | alterego | Good question ;) |
| 11:02.09 | alterego | Maybe it's USB3.0 capable ;) |
| 11:02.24 | alterego | USB3.0 is super fast .. |
| 11:03.00 | Khertan | hum ... i hope it s doesn't consum your cpu super fast too |
| 11:03.08 | Khertan | usb2.0 is horrible for that |
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| 11:03.24 | alterego | Can't say I've noticed. |
| 11:03.28 | wplayya | maybe they use an usb hub to use 2 of them ;) |
| 11:03.48 | wplayya | 2x480 is near to 1000 |
| 11:04.14 | wplayya | the controll info is send over bluetooth |
| 11:04.20 | Khertan | if u use a hub u divide the bus :) |
| 11:04.26 | Khertan | speed |
| 11:05.00 | wplayya | pssst |
| 11:05.11 | alterego | Two controllers. |
| 11:05.13 | wplayya | dont desroz the plans |
| 11:05.58 | wplayya | argh |
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| 11:06.31 | alterego | desroz? |
| 11:06.33 | wplayya | mz keyboard thinks it has an english layout |
| 11:06.37 | alterego | Is that some new kids cartoon or something? |
| 11:07.00 | alterego | Hmm, seems cold today. |
| 11:07.32 | alterego | Gonna work on encrypted filesystem support on my N800 today, |
| 11:07.35 | wplayya | destrooy |
| 11:07.38 | Khertan | does the n810 has different hardware keyboard layout ? |
| 11:07.41 | wplayya | -o |
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| 11:08.11 | wplayya | my bt keyboard gets really mad with the n800 |
| 11:08.13 | Khertan | i still see the same on different store |
| 11:08.35 | alterego | The images are all qwerty from what I've seen. Though there are different mappings. |
| 11:08.47 | wplayya | maybe thez use the same photo from the nokia hp_ |
| 11:08.56 | alterego | There are different mappings for US/UK/EUR I believe too .. |
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| 11:09.37 | alterego | Moduals builded |
| 11:10.50 | Khertan | snifff ... i hope it s still a qwerty in france |
| 11:11.00 | alterego | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 11:11.17 | alterego | I'm just saying it'll have a EURO instead of USD or GBP symbol :) |
| 11:11.37 | Khertan | ah ok :) i ve understand :) |
| 11:11.37 | keesj | but azerty is no fun |
| 11:11.45 | Khertan | i ven't understood :) |
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| 11:15.29 | alterego | My tablet doesn't seem so cool without the R&D messages on boot :/ |
| 11:15.53 | Fatal | :)' |
| 11:16.25 | Khertan | alterego > is it you ? : [Bug Tracker]: PyGTKEditor : Severity Feature : Would it be possible to add ruby syntax highlighting to PyGTKEditor? Thanks |
| 11:16.26 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:16.36 | alterego | God no. |
| 11:16.38 | alterego | :) |
| 11:16.46 | Khertan | lol |
| 11:16.50 | alterego | I wonder who that was though. It's a good idea. |
| 11:17.20 | Khertan | hum ... i think i should leave my custom syntax highlighter ... |
| 11:17.28 | alterego | I'd actually use it if it had ruby syntax highlighting ;) |
| 11:17.29 | Khertan | to use GtkSourceView |
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| 11:17.47 | Khertan | but ... 770 users will not be happy ... |
| 11:18.08 | alterego | I could actually write one _very_ easily in Ruby that used the standard text view. |
| 11:18.13 | Khertan | alterego > is the ruby syntax is complex to parse ? |
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| 11:18.25 | alterego | There's a neat ruby library that does syntax highlighting for many different languages/filetypes. |
| 11:18.40 | alterego | Not really, |
| 11:18.50 | alterego | It's mainly just highlighting keywords and string literals. |
| 11:19.11 | Khertan | alterego> hum ... where can i find information about that ? |
| 11:19.29 | alterego | Having auto indententation is a little bit trickier. But that should be easy to do if you're familiar with the different code block types. |
| 11:19.51 | alterego | Khertan, it's used by pastie.caboo.se I believe. |
| 11:19.57 | Khertan | i ven't autoindent yet in pygtk ... |
| 11:19.57 | alterego | There's a few out there. |
| 11:20.22 | alterego | I know people bitch about it. But I could really do with emacs on the device .. |
| 11:20.35 | alterego | Or a decent powerful text editor. |
| 11:20.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:20.44 | alterego | Even gedit would do .. |
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| 11:20.54 | Khertan | gedit is good text editor ... |
| 11:20.59 | alterego | I'm suprised no-one has ported it yet. |
| 11:21.13 | alterego | Maybe I'll do that instead ;) |
| 11:21.14 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 11:21.20 | Khertan | yes me too ... |
| 11:21.26 | Khertan | maybe we should do that :) |
| 11:21.53 | Khertan | pygtkeditor was mainly my first python programm |
| 11:21.59 | Khertan | just to learn python ;) |
| 11:22.22 | alterego | I tell you what. I'll check out the gedit source and see what kind of a state it's in. What dependencies it requires etc. |
| 11:22.58 | alterego | Well it looks like a lot of people like it :) good job |
| 11:23.10 | Khertan | thanks |
| 11:23.55 | Khertan | as i use it my self onboard ... i ve my own idea about how an onboard editor should be :) |
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| 11:24.59 | Khertan | i ve added recently c/c++ syntax highlight and i was sure than someone ll ask for an other language :) |
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| 11:26.38 | Khertan | and it s show that a least one or more people are interested ... |
| 11:26.58 | wplayya | Khertan, i want to see A syntac highlightning in your editor |
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| 11:27.31 | Khertan | syntac ... don t know this language :) |
| 11:27.41 | Khertan | A ... |
| 11:27.44 | wplayya | syntax |
| 11:27.47 | Khertan | don't know too |
| 11:27.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:28.00 | wplayya | yeah the A python bindings :D |
| 11:28.18 | Khertan | A ... what is it ? asm ? |
| 11:28.25 | wplayya | never heard of it too ;) |
| 11:28.35 | Khertan | lol |
| 11:29.00 | wplayya | befor D there was C, before c there was B, before B there was A |
| 11:29.01 | Khertan | i know B ... C ... D ... |
| 11:29.20 | wplayya | or what about brainfuck? |
| 11:29.42 | Khertan | i now please .... not that |
| 11:29.50 | Khertan | oh no ... please not that |
| 11:30.11 | Khertan | maybe goto++ ... but not brainfuck |
| 11:30.50 | Khertan | http://gpp.niacland.net/index.html.en |
| 11:30.53 | wplayya | bf++? |
| 11:32.01 | Khertan | Chaussette Test |
| 11:32.02 | Khertan | ret=Test@Tricoter(«localhost» *(1256)) |
| 11:32.02 | Khertan | GOTOPRINT() |
| 11:32.02 | Khertan | ret=Test@Vider(texte) |
| 11:32.02 | Khertan | GOTOPRINT() |
| 11:32.02 | Khertan | GOTOPRINTDUTEXTE() ; &texte |
| 11:32.38 | Khertan | i like the instruction GOTOCHEPA() ... |
| 11:32.51 | melmoth | any maemo-user list admin here ? |
| 11:32.57 | Khertan | in english this could be translate by GOTODONTKNOW() |
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| 11:33.20 | Khertan | GOTOCHEPA() %10 ... (there is 10% of chance of a jump) |
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| 11:34.49 | alterego | Hah |
| 11:36.54 | wplayya | chepa=corsica? |
| 11:37.43 | wplayya | it remembers me to java2k |
| 11:37.56 | Khertan | chepa ... a mal formed french sentence to say : " ne sais pas " ... " i don't know " |
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| 11:38.06 | Khertan | in argo ... "chais pas ... !" |
| 11:38.08 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:38.14 | wplayya | there is a 96% that the solution is right |
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| 11:38.42 | wplayya | wb playya_ |
| 11:38.53 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:39.19 | wplayya | i thought my granny unplugged the power supply to insert the vacuumer |
| 11:39.39 | Khertan | ... lol ... |
| 11:39.50 | Khertan | i ll come back .. eating time :) |
| 11:41.14 | wplayya | hehe |
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| 11:44.36 | jott | anyone had success using the (device program) discount code on shop.nokia.de? |
| 11:47.11 | alterego | Try on Friday jott |
| 11:49.25 | jott | alterego: thanks. just wondering if it was just me :). |
| 11:49.50 | alterego | Well, Nokia said we should be able to buy on Friday .. So .. |
| 11:49.57 | alterego | Don't expect _anything_ to work until then ;) |
| 11:50.15 | lardman | not long, yay! |
| 11:50.17 | jott | yes.. no problem.. i can wait :) |
| 11:50.20 | alterego | :) |
| 11:50.42 | alterego | If all goes to their master plan lardman ;) I'm still not convinced the N810 really exists. |
| 11:51.04 | lardman | :) |
| 11:51.18 | wplayya | hopefully i get one too |
| 11:52.08 | wplayya | how could i say my chief that os2008 on n800 isnt the same like n810? |
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| 12:01.26 | VRe | Is there some nice wasy way to give input to program depending on what the program outputs? |
| 12:01.40 | felipec | wplayya: it's different hardware... |
| 12:02.32 | alterego | O_o |
| 12:02.42 | alterego | VRe, can you give a better example of what you want? |
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| 12:03.10 | VRe | alterego: program asks password, I give password.. |
| 12:03.24 | alterego | VRe, there's a password dialog in the hildon widget set. |
| 12:03.26 | alterego | Use that. |
| 12:04.02 | VRe | alterego: No I want to feed the program according (command line) its output |
| 12:04.22 | alterego | What? |
| 12:04.39 | alterego | echo "password" | ./program ? |
| 12:05.13 | VRe | that is stateless.. it might ask something else than just password. And that still doesn't work with all the programs |
| 12:05.29 | alterego | You're not giving very good examples. |
| 12:06.02 | alterego | What do you mean "all the programs"? |
| 12:06.07 | VRe | programs says aa, I have to say bb or the program might say cc and then I need to say dd |
| 12:06.07 | alterego | What programs? |
| 12:06.17 | alterego | Use expect |
| 12:06.41 | VRe | in general, I suppose somekind of testing automation prog could do it |
| 12:06.47 | alterego | expect |
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| 12:07.27 | alterego | Though, I have no idea why you're asking here for this information .. |
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| 12:07.44 | rothiel | Hell World :) |
| 12:07.48 | rothiel | Hello World :) |
| 12:08.07 | alterego | I think you were right the first time :P |
| 12:08.09 | VRe | alterego: Hey, not everything on the tablet is gui |
| 12:08.36 | alterego | VRe, sure. but don't you think it would have been more appropriate to ask in #linux or #unix or something? |
| 12:08.45 | alterego | What you're trying to do has nothing to do with the tablet. |
| 12:08.50 | alterego | Not specifically .. |
| 12:08.58 | VRe | close enough |
| 12:09.04 | alterego | Whatever. |
| 12:09.12 | alterego | Use expect, next time ask somewhere else. |
| 12:10.19 | VRe | yes daddy |
| 12:10.43 | alterego | A thank you for answering your question would have been nicer. |
| 12:10.57 | alterego | Your sarcasm isn't exactly productive. |
| 12:10.58 | VRe | yes, thank you for the answer. not for lecture |
| 12:12.40 | alterego | I actually didn't have one before. |
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| 12:30.30 | Khertan | re |
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| 12:43.42 | guardian | Jaffa: so nokia is against ogg because there is no drm support ? |
| 12:43.49 | guardian | did i get it right ? |
| 12:44.16 | Jaffa | That's what /. says. The paper itself is slightly more intelligent on my quick skim |
| 12:44.43 | guardian | i just read it quickly |
| 12:44.49 | tsavola | mp3 has drm support?? :) |
| 12:44.54 | guardian | however, understand it fully requires culture on the subject |
| 12:45.00 | guardian | which i barely have |
| 12:46.09 | tsavola | hasn't the generic (non-nokia-specific) corporate story been that ogg is a potential patent minefield? |
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| 12:52.50 | mgedmin | sounds like FUD |
| 12:53.06 | mgedmin | but it might be substantiated |
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| 13:00.37 | VRe | mgedmin: if one asks a lawyer one can't do anything (ogg), and I think with ogg somebody made the mistake and asked |
| 13:02.50 | baro_ | hola yerga, how's your schedule? |
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| 13:06.57 | gopi | iirc, one or more of the MP3 patent owners basically said, "we got lotsa patents. We can't imagine you can do anything that smells like MP3 without licensing some of our patents." |
| 13:10.06 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 13:10.19 | alterego | Like meta tags? |
| 13:10.57 | alterego | Though, really. They can't call dibs on that, considering it's been in various image formats for a lot longer than MP3 has been around .. |
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| 13:15.47 | |tbb| | hi all, when canola will be released for chinook ? |
| 13:15.55 | Khertan_VM | alterego: maybe you can help me ... :-) |
| 13:16.10 | Khertan_VM | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lffi |
| 13:16.37 | Khertan_VM | does it mean something for u ? |
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| 13:18.14 | kulve | you are missing libffi |
| 13:18.21 | kulve | (I think..) |
| 13:19.52 | Khertan_VM | u are right ... |
| 13:19.56 | Khertan_VM | thanks |
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| 13:23.50 | Khertan | i don't know very well linux compilation tool |
| 13:24.02 | Khertan | but after a make && make install |
| 13:24.16 | Khertan | many seems to include script to create debian package after |
| 13:24.30 | Khertan | what is the traditionnal way to do that ... |
| 13:24.36 | Khertan | ? |
| 13:26.11 | Khertan_VM | make distcheck |
| 13:26.20 | Khertan_VM | then make dist M |
| 13:26.22 | Khertan_VM | ? |
| 13:27.33 | kulve | make distcheck produces a tar ball. Untar it to a different location and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 13:28.27 | kulve | that's a good way of working. But many packages aren't good enough to have working distcheck, so you need to do things a bit differently |
| 13:28.36 | Khertan_VM | and is it in the Makefile script ? |
| 13:28.50 | Khertan_VM | because i get an error on distcheck :) |
| 13:29.00 | Khertan_VM | as you said : many packages aren't good enough to have working distcheck |
| 13:29.04 | kulve | dpkg-buildpackage runs the make etc, (if the package is debianized) |
| 13:29.05 | Khertan_VM | :) |
| 13:29.45 | kulve | if you take the sources from VCS (like cvs or svn), export the sources from there and just run "dpkg-buildpackge -rfakeroot" |
| 13:30.07 | kulve | or if you just got a tarball somewhere, run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" |
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| 13:30.32 | Khertan_VM | thx |
| 13:30.33 | kulve | but the dpkg-buildpackage works only for debianized packages, i.e. packages with debian directory in the main dir |
| 13:30.50 | Khertan_VM | it s an debiannized package |
| 13:31.05 | Khertan_VM | but i need to edit some script to work :) |
| 13:31.23 | Khertan_VM | checking for a Python interpreter with version >= 2.5... configure: error: no suitable Python interpreter found |
| 13:32.18 | Khertan_VM | still the same thing with scratchbox ... i need to edit to modify te ./configure by ./configure PYTHON=/usr/bin.python2.5 |
| 13:37.20 | Khertan_VM | hum ... do u know which script invoke the configure script from a dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 13:37.46 | Khertan_VM | i ve modified debian/rules to add python=/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 13:38.20 | Khertan_VM | but i still get the error ... and when i call configure with the python path i get no configure error |
| 13:38.24 | Khertan_VM | ? |
| 13:38.24 | kulve | debian/rules is the one to hack, but I don't know how, since I don't know what package your are editing (and I don't want to know either ;) |
| 13:38.40 | Khertan_VM | (hihi |
| 13:38.49 | Khertan_VM | ) |
| 13:39.03 | Khertan_VM | thank for ur help ... |
| 13:39.14 | Khertan_VM | i ll try to find :) |
| 13:39.35 | Spakman_ | hello. How can I detect a press of the back button? Does it map to one of the function keys? |
| 13:39.50 | Khertan_VM | yes |
| 13:39.58 | Khertan_VM | it s a function key |
| 13:40.10 | Khertan_VM | don t remember which |
| 13:40.40 | Spakman_ | thanks Khertan_VM |
| 13:40.43 | Spakman_ | anyone else remember? |
| 13:42.10 | Khertan_VM | kulve: thanks a lot ... |
| 13:42.24 | Khertan_VM | package build :) |
| 13:42.35 | Khertan_VM | i need to test it now :) |
| 13:42.50 | kulve | np :) |
| 13:43.16 | kulve | "maemo.org will have a short, 15 mins maintenance break starting in a |
| 13:43.17 | kulve | few minutes. The server will get some more RAM." |
| 13:43.29 | Khertan_VM | thx for the info <<< |
| 13:43.47 | Khertan | need to get source from svn |
| 13:44.26 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:47.24 | alterego | Flaming doctools. |
| 13:47.50 | alterego | 15 minutes just to add a bit of RAM .. |
| 13:48.03 | alterego | Do the techs have arthritis? |
| 13:53.36 | alterego | I've got a neat idea. I'm thinking of adding support for gnome desktop applets. |
| 13:54.22 | alterego | Would be nice to port the weather applet. And some others,. |
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| 13:55.38 | Khertan | alterego > i'm porting it in python :) |
| 13:55.46 | Khertan | as gnome applet are in python :) |
| 13:56.07 | alterego | Oh, does python have hildon desktop plugin support yet? |
| 13:56.31 | alterego | Was it not supposed to be completed last week? |
| 13:56.57 | alterego | Hah, my screen protector is so scratched it's just matte ^_^ |
| 13:57.19 | GeneralAntilles | Factory? |
| 13:58.02 | alterego | Factory? |
| 13:58.36 | gw280 | has the default root password changed on OS2008? |
| 13:58.43 | alterego | Looks like I'm finally making progress with my gedit port. |
| 13:58.58 | alterego | gw280, probably, enable r&d change it, then disable r&d |
| 13:59.47 | gw280 | hrm. |
| 13:59.47 | gw280 | how does one enable R&D mode? |
| 14:00.22 | suihkulokki | root pw is still the same, just the root account is locked if root password is still rootme and rd mode is not enabled |
| 14:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | Protector, alterego. |
| 14:00.27 | Khertan | alterego > i ve compiled it |
| 14:00.34 | Khertan | packaged it |
| 14:00.39 | Khertan | and i m testing it :) |
| 14:00.39 | alterego | Yeah it is. |
| 14:00.55 | alterego | Khertan, damn you. |
| 14:00.56 | Khertan | and thanks to kulve for his help :) |
| 14:01.29 | alterego | I guess I might as well just stop now then. |
| 14:01.35 | alterego | That was a wasted 30 minutes. |
| 14:01.46 | Khertan | stop what ? |
| 14:01.52 | alterego | My gedit port .. |
| 14:02.17 | Khertan | i m not talking about gedit ... |
| 14:02.23 | alterego | Oh, okay. |
| 14:02.27 | Khertan | i m talking about python hildon desktop :) |
| 14:02.30 | alterego | What were you talking about? :P |
| 14:02.34 | alterego | Oh right. |
| 14:02.38 | alterego | Good |
| 14:02.44 | Khertan | arf ... i ve see your line about gedit :) |
| 14:02.53 | Khertan | i ve read the previous one ;) |
| 14:02.56 | felipec | gw280: google probably knows :) |
| 14:03.04 | gw280 | felipec: yeah, just seen :P |
| 14:03.19 | alterego | I'll continue my port of gedit then :P |
| 14:03.37 | Khertan | arg my binding package doen't include an python home appplet example ... arg |
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| 14:04.02 | alterego | It'll make me happy. Having a decent text editor with syntax highlighting. |
| 14:04.02 | Khertan | alterego> yes ... continue :) |
| 14:04.02 | alterego | Not to mention the plugin architecture is pretty cool *(python support) :P |
| 14:04.13 | Khertan | alterego > are you saying than PyGTKEditor isn't a decent text editor ??? |
| 14:04.16 | Khertan | ;-) |
| 14:04.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:04.23 | alterego | It's young. |
| 14:04.28 | alterego | And I'd rather not install Python :P |
| 14:04.34 | Khertan | yeah i know you doen't like python |
| 14:04.46 | alterego | I don't dislike python. |
| 14:04.56 | Tak | why not go whole hog and install monodevelop? |
| 14:05.04 | alterego | eclipse :P |
| 14:05.27 | Khertan | Tak > lol |
| 14:06.00 | |tbb| | hi all, when canola will be released for chinook ? |
| 14:07.08 | Khertan | |tbb| > when it ll be done |
| 14:07.13 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:09.13 | Tak | haha, finnish spellchecker |
| 14:09.42 | Tak | just add extra random Ks, Ts, and Us :-P |
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| 14:15.13 | Tak | pupnik_: you can mess with the permissions between dh_fixperms and dh_md5sums in the binary/arch (etc) targets in debian/rules |
| 14:18.05 | Tak | wow, IBM has a lot of developer articles about the n800: http://tinyurl.com/2b3qr8 |
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| 14:18.15 | alterego | Yeah, I've seen them. |
| 14:18.16 | alterego | Not bad :) |
| 14:20.59 | alterego | Hmm .. The latest version of gedit _needs_ the latest gtk releases etc .. |
| 14:21.01 | alterego | That's annoying. |
| 14:22.29 | Tak | backport? |
| 14:22.47 | alterego | Looks like that's the only option yeah. |
| 14:22.58 | alterego | I'm gonna find the latest tree that will compile properly. |
| 14:23.06 | alterego | Then check the differences between releases .. |
| 14:25.10 | Tak | yay g++! "error: no match for 'operator*' in '*#'obj_type_ref' not supported by dump_expr#<expression error>" |
| 14:25.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:25.22 | alterego | That looks pretty. |
| 14:25.28 | Tak | I would just fudge the autofoo and look at the compile errors |
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| 14:26.24 | alterego | Good plan. |
| 14:26.29 | alterego | I don't really know auto foo. |
| 14:26.36 | alterego | But it'll give me a chance to look into it ;) |
| 14:28.14 | alterego | Handy, there's an environment variable I can use to over ride all the pkg-config errors. |
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| 14:37.26 | Khertan | arg ... binding don't seems to work! |
| 14:37.27 | Khertan | grrr |
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| 14:39.06 | alterego | Khertan, bindings? |
| 14:39.30 | Khertan | yeah my hildondesktop python binding ... :) |
| 14:39.44 | alterego | Use the ruby one. |
| 14:39.46 | alterego | It works. |
| 14:39.50 | Khertan | maybe it s just my applet which doesn't work |
| 14:39.55 | alterego | Maybe |
| 14:39.59 | Khertan | alterego > no ! i ll do it in python ! |
| 14:40.00 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:40.03 | alterego | You should write a test case. |
| 14:40.20 | alterego | Python doesn't work, just give up and port it to Ruby :P |
| 14:40.20 | Khertan | (it s what i m writting) |
| 14:40.42 | Khertan | alterego > does we can execute python code in ruby ? |
| 14:40.46 | Khertan | ;) |
| 14:40.48 | Tak | heresy! |
| 14:40.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:41.04 | alterego | Yeah, that'd just be pointless. |
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| 14:41.08 | alterego | It'd make Ruby buggy like Python |
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| 14:41.36 | Khertan | python isn't buggy ... the problem is between the screen and the chair ... |
| 14:41.50 | alterego | Yeah, you wouldn't have that problem if you use Ruby |
| 14:41.51 | Tak | oh, so the problem is with the programmer |
| 14:41.56 | alterego | Ruby has a better screen-chair interface. |
| 14:42.19 | ttmrichter | Hang on, did I just see that right? Is there a Ruby port to the N800 complete with Hildon support? |
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| 14:42.35 | Tak | yes. |
| 14:42.36 | alterego | ttmrichter, yes. I've been working on it for months :P |
| 14:42.43 | ttmrichter | WHERE?!?! :D |
| 14:42.45 | Tak | ttmrichter: it is teh awesome. |
| 14:42.52 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo |
| 14:43.07 | Tak | there's also rubygame support |
| 14:43.10 | ttmrichter | Damned lag! |
| 14:43.14 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:43.33 | alterego | Yeah, thanks to Tak for that :) |
| 14:43.38 | ttmrichter | You have *NO* idea how happy you just made me! |
| 14:43.49 | Khertan | alterego > i think you have already make home applet in ruby ... |
| 14:43.49 | alterego | ttmrichter, merry christmas ;) |
| 14:43.59 | alterego | Khertan, yeah. I've got a home applet. |
| 14:44.02 | Khertan | where do you leave your ruby script ? |
| 14:44.13 | alterego | Khertan, it's in the home directory. |
| 14:44.14 | Tak | speaking of which, would anybody like to test the rgvkb package? |
| 14:44.15 | ttmrichter | Between having Ruby on the N800 and knowing that Erlang is portable to it (it has been done, but not packaged), I'm really downright ecstatic! |
| 14:44.19 | Khertan | i ve make a .desktop ... |
| 14:44.26 | Khertan | in the home directory ??? |
| 14:44.36 | alterego | Khertan, yes. The desktop file has to be in /usr/share/applications |
| 14:44.53 | alterego | Or something. |
| 14:44.55 | Khertan | it s not the home :) |
| 14:45.07 | alterego | No, the script is in my home directory. |
| 14:45.13 | Khertan | yes i know where to place the .desktop |
| 14:45.20 | alterego | And the .desktop file is in /usr/share/applications/hildondesktop blah |
| 14:45.29 | alterego | Okay |
| 14:45.33 | Khertan | but when u don't give full path to the ruby script |
| 14:45.53 | Khertan | where does it the default path N |
| 14:45.54 | Khertan | ? |
| 14:45.55 | alterego | I'd have to check, I can't remember. /usr/bin probably. |
| 14:46.00 | Khertan | :) |
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| 14:46.06 | dpb_ | alterego: you did that ruby port? |
| 14:46.14 | alterego | dpb_, indeed. |
| 14:46.26 | dpb_ | there's a typo on the webpage :) |
| 14:46.33 | alterego | dpb_, send a patch :P |
| 14:46.35 | alterego | :D |
| 14:46.37 | dpb_ | powerfull should be powerful |
| 14:46.38 | alterego | Where's the typo? |
| 14:46.43 | ttmrichter | alterego, I am going to undergo a sex change operation complete with genetic therapy so I can bear your children. |
| 14:46.43 | Spakman_ | hello. How can I detect a press of the back button? Does it map to one of the function keys? |
| 14:46.45 | alterego | Yeah .. Typo ;) |
| 14:47.27 | alterego | ttmrichter, that's not required. Just buy me a beer if we ever meet ;) |
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| 14:47.40 | mgedmin | if you're talking about the circular-arrow-hardware-button, then it's Esc |
| 14:47.43 | ttmrichter | OK, deal. |
| 14:47.49 | ttmrichter | Coming to China anytime soon? |
| 14:47.55 | alterego | Hah, probably not. |
| 14:48.01 | ttmrichter | Canada? |
| 14:48.09 | alterego | Canada, probably :) |
| 14:48.09 | Tak | Chinada? |
| 14:48.18 | alterego | Chinada? Is that a new bread of dog? |
| 14:48.31 | ttmrichter | OK, I have a buddy in Canada who'll take you out for a beer or three...hundred. |
| 14:48.33 | Spakman_ | mgedmin: thanks a lot! |
| 14:48.37 | ttmrichter | He'll be just as ecstatic. |
| 14:48.45 | alterego | Cool, |
| 14:48.56 | alterego | I'd like to start a RUG for maemo ;) |
| 14:48.59 | ttmrichter | Anyway, bedtime. Chat at you all later, and alterego thanks again. |
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| 14:49.10 | alterego | No problem |
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| 14:49.53 | Tak | I thought Chinada was going to be the next maemo release |
| 14:49.56 | alterego | "You gotta get up, you gotta get up, you gotta get down." Jesus, what a confusing song. |
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| 14:50.04 | alterego | :) |
| 14:50.45 | alterego | Maybe I should create some kind of ruby-maemo forum. |
| 14:50.52 | alterego | Or actively start using my blog ^_^ |
| 14:51.37 | Tak | maybe a subforum in ITT? |
| 14:52.20 | alterego | No, that'd be overkill. |
| 14:52.33 | alterego | What I'd like is, an area for reporting bugs. |
| 14:52.46 | Tak | ah - a garage project, then ;-) |
| 14:52.54 | alterego | And every now and then I'd like to ask people what they think about the bindings. Whether they think the API could be improved. That sort of thing. |
| 14:53.24 | alterego | And start a debate. I think a blog would be pretty good for that kind of thing. |
| 14:53.53 | alterego | I might just write my own little web app to do that. |
| 14:54.01 | Khertan | lol |
| 14:54.20 | Tak | in django? ;-) |
| 14:54.22 | alterego | I'm not really being very good with this blog stuff. |
| 14:54.53 | alterego | Maybe when I get the N810 I'll be more likely to write blog posts. But I've not wrote a single one .. |
| 14:56.30 | alterego | Khertan, something that the ruby hildon desktop plugin loader does that the python one doesn't. I added error reporting. If it fails to load a plugin it tells you why ;) |
| 14:56.43 | Khertan | arf ... |
| 14:57.02 | Khertan | i was looking in the code to see where error was reported |
| 14:57.12 | alterego | It's not. |
| 14:57.13 | Spakman_ | alterego: can we write desktop plugins with the ruby bindings? |
| 14:57.14 | Khertan | but ... i ve found anything yet |
| 14:57.22 | Khertan | and now i understand why |
| 14:57.27 | alterego | Spakman_, yes! :) That's what we're talking about ;) |
| 14:57.50 | Spakman_ | is that with version 0.4? |
| 14:57.51 | Khertan | and i hope we ll can soon in python :) |
| 14:57.54 | alterego | I've yet to officially announce 0.4.0 but I should probably do that. |
| 14:58.18 | alterego | Spakman_, yeah. It hasn't got plugin error reporting yet. If you wait an hour I'll have 0.4.1 packaged and uploaded. |
| 14:58.31 | Spakman_ | ah, then I will :) |
| 14:58.40 | alterego | Makes things a lot easier. |
| 14:58.46 | alterego | There's also a fix for libconic. |
| 15:00.43 | Khertan_VM | g_propagate_error |
| 15:01.02 | Khertan_VM | is it a gtk api ? |
| 15:01.09 | Spakman_ | alterego: just saw the desktop plugin example - nice one! |
| 15:01.11 | Tak | looks like glib |
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| 15:09.08 | alterego | Khertan, that's glib |
| 15:09.30 | alterego | That'll show up in SDK. Not on target |
| 15:09.51 | Tak | Stay on target. |
| 15:10.02 | alterego | :) |
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| 15:11.16 | rothiel | Hello World :) |
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| 15:14.59 | Khertan | tak ... yes ... |
| 15:15.20 | Khertan | sniffff ... this doesn't work ... snifff |
| 15:15.25 | alterego | My loader code is probably the neatest code I've done in C for ruby-maemo. |
| 15:15.44 | alterego | Only _one_ swear word! |
| 15:15.54 | Tak | Most impressive. |
| 15:15.57 | Khertan_VM | i ll try on the sdk |
| 15:16.35 | alterego | Khertan, hint, if it's a python exception being raised by your code. It wont show. The propagate errors were only for loading the file and some other "init" like code. At least that's what I believe. |
| 15:16.43 | alterego | I don't think the loader handles python exceptions at all. |
| 15:16.55 | alterego | It'll either crash the desktop or it'll do nothing. |
| 15:17.38 | Khertan_VM | i don t even know if the code is loaded ... |
| 15:17.48 | alterego | :/ |
| 15:18.00 | Khertan_VM | it s do nothing and the applet is unselected in the selection dialog |
| 15:18.01 | alterego | Best to do it all in the SDK |
| 15:18.05 | alterego | Unfortunately :/ |
| 15:18.17 | alterego | Yeah, that sounds like it might be with your cod. |
| 15:18.19 | alterego | ~code |
| 15:18.20 | infobot | well, code is relatively stable right now, and I think we're going to see lots of changes |
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| 15:18.57 | Khertan_VM | alterego: i get no error when i launch the python script directly with python |
| 15:19.23 | Khertan_VM | and it s no mine, but the example from the binding |
| 15:19.29 | alterego | Ah |
| 15:19.34 | alterego | Hmm, that's not good is it. |
| 15:19.42 | alterego | Try it in the SDK. |
| 15:19.46 | alterego | Look for loader errors. |
| 15:20.15 | alterego | When you start the desktop with af-sb-init.sh there may be an error when it scans the loader directory. |
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| 15:20.29 | alterego | You can force the appearance of this error by touch'ing the loader.so file. |
| 15:20.41 | alterego | Well, that forces the loading of the loader. |
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| 15:21.23 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 15:21.30 | Khertan_VM | where is the /usr in the scratchbox tree ? |
| 15:21.46 | Khertan_VM | found |
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| 15:26.05 | jumpula | target's /usr? |
| 15:26.18 | jumpula | or host-side /usr? |
| 15:27.07 | Khertan_VM | jumpula: i ve found ... the target user |
| 15:27.23 | Khertan_VM | in target folder :-) |
| 15:27.33 | jumpula | yeah, and symlink in / :) |
| 15:28.12 | Khertan_VM | /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch' |
| 15:28.12 | Khertan_VM | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264 |
| 15:28.12 | Khertan_VM | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 316 |
| 15:28.22 | Khertan_VM | this stink |
| 15:28.48 | Khertan_VM | ImportError: No module named homememory.py |
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| 15:30.01 | zoran | put it in the path then |
| 15:30.41 | Khertan_VM | zoran: i ve put the path |
| 15:30.49 | alterego | Khertan, use native. Don't code python in the armel SDK environment ;) |
| 15:31.23 | Khertan_VM | i ll try |
| 15:31.37 | zoran | alterego hates python, I think |
| 15:31.59 | alterego | Khertan, when I say native. I mean the i386 target./ |
| 15:32.09 | Khertan_VM | zoran: everyone know this :) |
| 15:32.10 | alterego | zoran, I don't hate python :P I pity those that use it ;) |
| 15:32.13 | Khertan_VM | alterego: i ve understood |
| 15:32.14 | zoran | alterego ruby on rails 2.0 is out |
| 15:32.25 | alterego | Cool. |
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| 15:32.31 | alterego | I'll have to check out 2.0 .. |
| 15:32.55 | zoran | could be a big step further |
| 15:33.16 | alterego | Yeah, I've not used edge at all. I've been sticking to 1.2 |
| 15:33.22 | zoran | almost as python 2.5 ;) |
| 15:34.37 | alterego | Rails is just a web framework :P It's not Ruby. |
| 15:34.38 | Khertan_VM | arg ... loader not compiled for x86 |
| 15:34.41 | Khertan_VM | need to do it |
| 15:35.19 | zoran | mv ruby-1.2 ruby-2.0 |
| 15:35.41 | alterego | mv ruby 1.9 ruby-2.0 ;) |
| 15:35.51 | alterego | mv ruby-{1.9,2.0} ;) |
| 15:36.18 | zoran | cat ruby* | /dev/null - :) |
| 15:36.28 | Khertan_VM | alterego can t build for x86 target ... python2.5 dependancy :( |
| 15:36.34 | Khertan_VM | and it s not available |
| 15:36.43 | zoran | what dep it wants? |
| 15:37.07 | Khertan_VM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | zoran | no debs? |
| 15:37.22 | Khertan_VM | arg ... my sourcelist |
| 15:37.32 | Khertan_VM | i ve change target :) |
| 15:37.36 | zoran | extras? |
| 15:37.54 | zoran | or debian server? |
| 15:39.21 | Khertan_VM | extras was missing |
| 15:39.34 | zoran | on slashdot I read that nokia thinks ogg is proprietary |
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| 15:40.39 | Khertan_VM | it is ... there is patent on it, isn t it ? |
| 15:40.49 | zoran | hm... |
| 15:41.01 | Tak | heh, on slashdot I read that linux is a tool used by godless communists to subvert capitalism and Jesus |
| 15:41.11 | Khertan_VM | lol |
| 15:41.35 | wumpus | oh no, they have found out our plans :P |
| 15:41.39 | zoran | I've heard that senate should prohibite linux in states |
| 15:41.55 | wumpus | I was just about to subvert jesus |
| 15:41.58 | Khertan_VM | it s already the case in france |
| 15:42.27 | zoran | subversion or prohibition? |
| 15:42.34 | Khertan_VM | prohibition |
| 15:42.39 | zoran | really? |
| 15:42.52 | wumpus | huh, do you have a source on that? |
| 15:43.07 | Khertan_VM | not really |
| 15:43.09 | Tak | I don't believe that - a ton of Free Software comes out of france |
| 15:43.13 | Khertan_VM | but there is a law |
| 15:43.26 | wumpus | I don't see how you can prohibit linux, you can prohibit it inside a company or inside the government itself of course |
| 15:43.51 | wumpus | but that's really be paranoid the wrong way around |
| 15:43.52 | Khertan_VM | a recent law that focus on mp3 piracy ... b |
| 15:43.52 | zoran | in states it should forbid anything free and that does not has a price on it |
| 15:44.15 | Tak | speaking of which, I see that the US govt got pwnd the other day via an /email/ exploit |
| 15:44.27 | wumpus | well, let's put a $0.01 price tag on it then |
| 15:44.30 | X-Fade_ | I thought is was related to forbidding to release software without a company being accountable for it.. |
| 15:44.31 | wumpus | problem fixed :P |
| 15:44.41 | zoran | wumpus, why should we? |
| 15:44.52 | wumpus | so we can get rich from french people |
| 15:45.01 | zoran | ah, coooooooooooool! |
| 15:45.07 | wumpus | they have to buy it while others can download it for free |
| 15:45.10 | wumpus | wouldn't that be cool :D |
| 15:45.16 | zoran | yes! |
| 15:45.20 | Khertan_VM | X-Fade_: they want that each program get a certificate to know their authors |
| 15:45.47 | Khertan_VM | but this certificate could only be obtains by company |
| 15:45.57 | zoran | Khertan_VM, it is ok |
| 15:46.03 | wumpus | some signed version management would do for open source |
| 15:46.04 | zoran | or in the headers |
| 15:46.19 | zoran | with gpl sticked on it |
| 15:46.20 | Tak | assign copyright to the FSF |
| 15:46.22 | Khertan_VM | it hasn t be approved yet ... but it should be in a near future |
| 15:46.31 | wumpus | in open source projects there really is accountability for who write which line |
| 15:46.38 | wumpus | wrote* |
| 15:46.38 | Khertan_VM | but it wont be free :- |
| 15:47.07 | wumpus | yes, but I mean it's bullshit from a law enforcement position |
| 15:47.08 | zoran | what do you folks think about patenting one-two-3 click processes? |
| 15:47.29 | Khertan_VM | i can t explain exactly the details as i ven t a good enought english |
| 15:47.32 | zoran | or "get this by clicking and using brain" |
| 15:48.03 | zoran | what if I don't use mouse? |
| 15:48.26 | wumpus | but if we'd have to be accountable for all the code we write we must include clauses such as 'don't use this in vehicles and nuclear reactors' :P |
| 15:48.27 | zoran | <ctrl> <tab> and <enter> |
| 15:49.03 | zoran | R.Stallman, help! |
| 15:49.09 | Khertan_VM | dpkg: error processing libgtk2.0-0 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
| 15:49.26 | Khertan_VM | pfff it s a real pain to use this sdk ... |
| 15:49.42 | wumpus | anyway, until a country really manages to forbid open source this is all theory |
| 15:49.48 | mgedmin | mhm... what was the error message before that? |
| 15:50.03 | wumpus | here in the netherlands the government itself uses open source in some cities |
| 15:50.13 | Khertan_VM | /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory |
| 15:50.25 | zoran | wumpus, gvmnt with brain! |
| 15:51.03 | mgedmin | no, that dpkg-preconfigure message is harmless |
| 15:51.12 | mgedmin | and it's not invoked from the post-installation script |
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| 15:51.38 | mgedmin | if there's no other output, it means the postinst script exited with nonzero but didn't print anything |
| 15:51.47 | Tak | free software is widely used in some cities in the us as well |
| 15:52.15 | Tak | a notable example being my neighbor, largo, fl |
| 15:52.17 | zoran | and some ms is free software, if one does not pay for it :) |
| 15:52.28 | Tak | no, I mean Free Software |
| 15:52.35 | Tak | Free as in Stallman ;-) |
| 15:52.35 | zoran | ;) |
| 15:52.45 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:52.45 | alterego | Haven't they released pymaemo for i386? |
| 15:52.48 | alterego | Seriously, though. If I hated python that much. I wouldn't be trying to be helpful to Khertan :) |
| 15:53.35 | Khertan_VM | their is a release for pymameo ... but i ve problem with a dependancy of pymameo ... |
| 15:53.46 | Khertan_VM | the package seems to be corrupted |
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| 15:55.13 | zoran | Khertan_VM, the real problem is making perl for vms |
| 15:55.26 | zoran | all about maemo is nothing compared to it |
| 15:55.29 | Khertan_VM | perl ? |
| 15:55.51 | zoran | little gnome with "perl" shirt |
| 15:58.23 | zoran | someone has python 2.5 on os2006? |
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| 16:15.03 | alterego | Hmm, I should really make it display the line number ^_^ |
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| 16:20.16 | alterego | I think I'll make it dump the entire stack trace. Ala, Rails. |
| 16:20.22 | alterego | But in a pretty Gtk::Dialog :D |
| 16:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | Vagalume needs a desktop applet. |
| 16:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | Then somebody needs to combine Rhapsody, Vagalume, fm and internet radio into 1 uber-applet. |
| 16:21.54 | Tak | does vagalume currently play local music? or just last.fm streams? |
| 16:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | last.fm |
| 16:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | Media player is for local. :) |
| 16:22.26 | Tak | yeah, kind of sucks that they're segregated |
| 16:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia should provide a decent plugin interface for stuff like that for Media player. |
| 16:22.56 | Tak | also, is there a way to build a playlist from multiple artists/genres/whatever in the media player? |
| 16:22.57 | Tak | yes. |
| 16:24.03 | alterego | Yeah, a plugin interface for the media player would be awesome. |
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| 16:24.35 | lopz | hola |
| 16:27.30 | _berto_ | oh, I read vagalume |
| 16:27.33 | _berto_ | only last.fm streams, sorry |
| 16:27.35 | _berto_ | 8-) |
| 16:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe a plugin for Canola2. |
| 16:28.06 | Tak | _berto_: is there any plan to change that? |
| 16:28.07 | _berto_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm working on a statusbar icon |
| 16:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | For Vagalume? |
| 16:28.20 | _berto_ | GeneralAntilles: yes |
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| 16:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | My statusbar is full. |
| 16:28.30 | _berto_ | GeneralAntilles: optional of course ;-) |
| 16:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have a desktop applet. |
| 16:29.11 | _berto_ | Tak: well, it's intended to be a last.fm player :) |
| 16:29.30 | _berto_ | GeneralAntilles: I'd like to add that too |
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| 16:33.24 | _berto_ | Tak: there are several media players out there, I don't think it makes sense to convert vagalume into another media player |
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| 16:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, I agree 100%, _berto_. |
| 16:34.06 | _berto_ | for me it's more interesting to add all features specific to last.fm |
| 16:34.13 | _berto_ | tags, recommendations, events, ... those things |
| 16:34.50 | alterego | And for those that don't use last.fm .. |
| 16:34.53 | alterego | :) |
| 16:35.11 | _berto_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ |
| 16:35.12 | _berto_ | :) |
| 16:35.26 | alterego | None of that stuff interests me. |
| 16:35.36 | _berto_ | I see some 5 media players there |
| 16:35.37 | alterego | The builtin media player is fine for me. |
| 16:35.51 | Tak | is there a way to build a playlist from multiple artists/genres/whatever in the media player? |
| 16:36.05 | derf | kulve: Would you like a vector version of the Ogg fish logo so that your blown-up image doesn't look so god-awful? |
| 16:36.23 | kulve | derf: :) |
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| 16:36.40 | dragorn | and if not, try feeding it to http://vectormagic.stanford.edu/ |
| 16:36.44 | kulve | derf: I just had to put something there, and couldn't find anything proper.. |
| 16:37.16 | kulve | derf: so, why not :) |
| 16:37.56 | derf | http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/xifish.pdf |
| 16:38.09 | derf | Generated from http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora/doc/spec/xifish.fig |
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| 16:39.59 | alterego | PDF ? |
| 16:40.20 | felipec | SVG would be better wouldn't it? |
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| 16:41.05 | alterego | :)] |
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| 16:43.12 | timelE61i | hi bergie |
| 16:43.18 | bergie | hi |
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| 16:47.39 | kulve | is somewhere a wiki page or something about the images in the maemo.org/download? |
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| 16:59.52 | kulve | I tried uploading svg for the download image, but it just says "You can only upload images here. This file will not be saved." |
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| 17:00.03 | alterego | Heh |
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| 17:01.30 | Khertan | try with a png :) |
| 17:01.43 | kulve | browsers seems to show svgs quite nicely nowadays, a bit slow though.. |
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| 17:04.02 | fysa | would be nice to have more media players with mplayer (instead of built-in) support. |
| 17:04.39 | fysa | transcoding is for suckers, and almost all standard-def content I've played works beautifully through mplayer. |
| 17:06.09 | Khertan | kulve > browsers but many web application don't want anything than gif,png,jpeg |
| 17:07.23 | kulve | sure |
| 17:07.35 | kulve | but svg might become a nice addition to those |
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| 17:08.58 | Khertan | sure |
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| 17:15.37 | kulve | derf: I tried to change the logo, but I don't see it updating on the page.. |
| 17:16.08 | kulve | hmm.. And actually I've uploaded an empty png.. |
| 17:19.04 | Khertan | is there a way to get g_warning message on the device ? |
| 17:20.49 | Khertan | or a simple instruction in one line to write to a log in c :) |
| 17:20.55 | Tak | wouldn't you have to build a glib with those messages turned on? |
| 17:21.49 | Khertan | hum ... i think it ll be simple to build the loader with a write to a file in /var/log :) |
| 17:22.11 | sp3000 | Khertan, install syslogd |
| 17:22.21 | sp3000 | -> done |
| 17:23.23 | Khertan | syslogd ? |
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| 17:23.29 | Khertan | it s already available ? |
| 17:23.33 | Khertan | in a repos ? |
| 17:24.59 | kulve | I installed it from the repository.maemo.org (not extras) |
| 17:25.19 | Khertan | nothing was found for "syslogd" in OS 2008 |
| 17:25.26 | sp3000 | sysklodg even |
| 17:25.37 | sp3000 | or sysklogd if you prefer the correct spelling |
| 17:25.42 | Khertan | ok :) |
| 17:26.34 | Khertan | i ll try :) |
| 17:26.54 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should file a bug. |
| 17:26.57 | kulve | Khertan: you should remove them from the startup to scripts as they log *a lot* (update-rc.d -f remove sysklogd, and same for klogd, iirc) |
| 17:27.40 | gw280 | when is MAEMO_CHANGES defined? |
| 17:28.25 | Sho_ | hm - "Nokia wants W3C to remove Ogg from upcoming HTML5 standard" |
| 17:29.32 | wumpus | wtf |
| 17:29.34 | wumpus | what's wrong with ogg? |
| 17:29.50 | |R | wumpus : nothing, they're lost |
| 17:30.11 | wumpus | huh.. but what do they have against it? |
| 17:30.21 | dpb_ | wumpus: it's "proprietary" |
| 17:30.27 | |R | they call it proprietary and blame it for not having DRM measures |
| 17:30.30 | wumpus | well,, isn't mp3 too? |
| 17:30.36 | wumpus | it's owned by this german institute |
| 17:30.40 | |R | well, the fact is, ogg isn't |
| 17:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, some lawyer at Nokia, anyway. |
| 17:31.07 | wumpus | well, mp3 has no DRM measures built in as well, that's always an outer layer |
| 17:31.18 | wumpus | weird |
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| 17:36.03 | kulve | derf: now the image looks better on the actual dl page, but the thumbnail is still only a half of the logo. Any ideas how to fix that? |
| 17:36.27 | kulve | derf: btw. Did you already try to watch theora videos with the Media Player? ;) |
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| 17:38.10 | derf | kulve: I haven't actually installed OS 2008 yet. |
| 17:38.25 | kulve | oh, nm then :) |
| 17:38.29 | derf | Have you? |
| 17:38.32 | kulve | sure |
| 17:38.56 | kulve | (not a the smartest move maybe, but I wanted to update my packages for it..) |
| 17:39.00 | kulve | -a |
| 17:39.08 | derf | Maybe you just have a caching problem? The image looks fine here. |
| 17:39.30 | kulve | yeah, it's now ok here too. It seem to just take while before the page is actually updated |
| 17:39.39 | kulve | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 |
| 17:39.52 | Khertan | system-log-deamon not installed ... where i can find it ? |
| 17:39.55 | kulve | there the thumbnails are only half of the logo.. |
| 17:40.11 | derf | "Fresh" |
| 17:40.12 | kulve | Khertan: what is system-log-daemon..? |
| 17:40.14 | derf | I like it. |
| 17:40.24 | kulve | fresh fish |
| 17:40.27 | Khertan | on dependancy of sysklogd |
| 17:40.39 | kulve | Khertan: weird, I didn't need to install it.. |
| 17:40.39 | derf | kulve: It seems to assume the 5:3 aspect ratio. |
| 17:40.42 | X-Fade_ | kulve: Probably squid cache or something like that. Will fix itself probably.. |
| 17:40.56 | kulve | X-Fade_: so it seems |
| 17:41.46 | derf | Probably easiest just to make an 800x480 image with extra padding on the sides. |
| 17:42.16 | kulve | or crop a bit from the top and the bottom..? |
| 17:42.31 | Khertan | go home ... by |
| 17:42.32 | Khertan | bye |
| 17:44.28 | kulve | derf: I'll crop it, but it probably looks too bad, and then I'll add the extra padding (which will make the logo smaller) |
| 17:45.54 | derf | Oddly, that doesn't really bother me much. It was the horrible up-scaling artifacts that bugged me. |
| 17:47.49 | kulve | derf: now there's cropped image.. |
| 17:50.10 | derf | And down goes maemo.org. |
| 17:50.24 | kulve | did I DoS it.. |
| 17:50.47 | alterego | kulve, if you tried to visit more than one page in the past hour. Then yes. You DoS'd it. |
| 17:50.50 | alterego | Damn you .. |
| 17:50.55 | derf | Yes. You _click_ _too_ _fast_. |
| 17:51.11 | derf | Oh, there it goes. |
| 17:51.12 | derf | Finally. |
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| 17:53.53 | alterego | Hah, I just realised, my maemo version number is inline with chinook now. |
| 17:53.59 | alterego | Maybe I should keep it this way ^_^ |
| 18:02.27 | procto | so... anyone have a jaiku invite they can spareL |
| 18:02.29 | procto | ? |
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| 18:12.38 | alterego | procto, do you really think this is the place to ask that kind of question? |
| 18:13.15 | Andy80 | I've a little idea for Maemo..... do you know Nokia Sports Tracker? It would be usefull to have a client for Maemo too :) They could publish a sort of API, so we could write a client for it, or they could write it for us... as they wish :P what do you tink about? |
| 18:13.47 | alterego | I don't think they do the sports I'm really interested in ;) |
| 18:14.03 | Andy80 | uhm? |
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| 18:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, it worked for me. ;) |
| 18:22.07 | lopz | re |
| 18:22.42 | alterego | Time to forget about bug reports and just presume everything is broken until you get an anti-bug report. |
| 18:23.06 | sp3000 | .oO( ...but who wants to mount a wizard? ) |
| 18:23.31 | sp3000 | I'll get me coat |
| 18:24.40 | alterego | It's probably for the maemo girls .. |
| 18:24.59 | acydlord | lol |
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| 18:26.01 | alterego | I should stop eating ketchup. I've never likd it that much. |
| 18:26.06 | Tak | I put on my robe and wizard hat. |
| 18:26.08 | alterego | And it has no value at all. |
| 18:26.09 | Atarii | lol |
| 18:26.22 | GeneralAntilles | Anti-oxydants! |
| 18:26.29 | glass_ | why you keep eating it then |
| 18:26.35 | glass_ | if you don't like the taste |
| 18:26.53 | BeBraw | how to include extra files (like glade ui definition) in .deb? http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html doesn't cover that |
| 18:26.55 | alterego | Fish and chips are boring without _something_ |
| 18:27.05 | alterego | And I _hate_ salt and vinegar. |
| 18:27.21 | Atarii | how strange |
| 18:27.26 | Atarii | are you english? |
| 18:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:27.29 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:27.36 | glass_ | how about mayo then? |
| 18:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Tartar sauce? |
| 18:27.46 | glass_ | or some kebab sauce or whatever |
| 18:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, and mayo for the chips. |
| 18:27.49 | alterego | I think I'll keep a stock of curry paste or something for the times I make fish and chips |
| 18:28.02 | alterego | Eesch .. I don't like Mayo either (or salad dressing) |
| 18:28.09 | Tak | BeBraw: one way is to add extra installation lines in the install step of debian/rules |
| 18:28.10 | alterego | The later being quite bad for you. |
| 18:28.17 | Atarii | bbq sauce ftw |
| 18:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | How can you not like mayo? |
| 18:28.31 | BeBraw | Tak: k. i will take a look at that. thanks |
| 18:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | and remember Miracle Whip != mayonnaise. :P |
| 18:28.58 | alterego | bbq sauce is too strong, like ketchup. |
| 18:29.05 | Tak | for my C programs, I wrote a script that embeds the contents of a .glade file as a string constant in a header |
| 18:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, alterego, I think you don't want to be happy. :P |
| 18:29.43 | Atarii | lol trudat @ GeneralAntilles about Miracle Whip |
| 18:29.45 | Atarii | its so bad |
| 18:29.56 | alterego | MAybe, or maybe I do and I'm just too fussy :P |
| 18:30.14 | alterego | I think curry sauce sounds like a great idea .. |
| 18:30.23 | Tuco1 | GeneralAntilles, that disprove your theory of no girls on interenet |
| 18:30.29 | Tuco1 | *internet |
| 18:30.40 | alterego | *fishnetz |
| 18:30.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 18:31.04 | Atarii | it's the best feeling when you get home after a weekend away, and get to eat all the chocolates in the advent calendar you've missed! |
| 18:31.37 | alterego | I'm not really a fan of chocolate .. |
| 18:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | Chocolate is the best. |
| 18:31.54 | K`zan | :-) |
| 18:32.13 | alterego | Too much sugar. |
| 18:32.19 | alterego | Makes me feel kind of ill. |
| 18:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | Dark chocolate? |
| 18:32.33 | alterego | Dark choc I can handle |
| 18:32.34 | K`zan | Dunked in coffee :) |
| 18:33.00 | alterego | Dark chocolate mints are nice .. |
| 18:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Andes |
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| 18:34.54 | alterego | Heh, the Maemo IRC channel is more like a Pub than a topical discussion area ^_^ |
| 18:35.03 | |R | cheers to that! :D |
| 18:35.33 | alterego | No religion, No politics ^_^ |
| 18:35.54 | |R | No politics? :P |
| 18:36.08 | alterego | I don't really think anyonie likes talking about those things anyway. |
| 18:36.25 | procto | alterego: well, there's a relatively high proportion of maemo jaiku users, and it's not like I just popped in to leech invites :> |
| 18:36.27 | |R | yeah, like we never see people screaming ron paul ;) |
| 18:36.40 | alterego | Who's that? |
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| 18:36.48 | |R | haha |
| 18:37.26 | alterego | That was some good eats. |
| 18:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | alterego saw god! |
| 18:37.43 | |R | We don't need no water let the .... burn! :P |
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| 18:37.47 | alterego | A DIY mini-pizza, a piece of fish, and some baked chips. |
| 18:38.53 | alterego | Hmm .. I wonder if I can come up with some port forwarding magick that'd stop my apps disconnecting when switching between networks. |
| 18:39.43 | Atarii | just run quicker and they might not :p |
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| 18:39.56 | alterego | Heh, not likely. |
| 18:40.10 | alterego | IP and route will still more than likely be different ;) |
| 18:41.05 | Atarii | clearly you're not running fast enough then ;) |
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| 18:41.35 | alterego | I don't even have to move when switcing from wireless to GPRS :P |
| 18:42.00 | elb | port forwarding won't do that |
| 18:42.09 | elb | you'd have to use a tunnel of some sort |
| 18:42.18 | dragorn | alterego: VPN a static virtual IP to a concentrator somewhere |
| 18:42.18 | elb | and I'm not aware of any software which can handle such a thing |
| 18:42.21 | alterego | Yes, with SSL .. |
| 18:42.28 | vegai | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071210-nokia-wants-w3c-to-remove-out-ogg-from-upcoming-html5-standard.html |
| 18:42.29 | dragorn | alterego: and use the virtual IP for your routed traffic out |
| 18:42.31 | vegai | uhh, wtf? |
| 18:42.32 | alterego | ~SSH .. |
| 18:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, vegai, it's been brought up several time.s |
| 18:42.58 | alterego | html5 is a joke. |
| 18:43.48 | dragorn | alterego: then as long as your vpn stuff handles it and you do it within the tcp timeout, it'll be persistent across networks. SSH+tap interface might do it, openvpn should too |
| 18:44.08 | alterego | dragorn, okay, thanks for the pointers. |
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| 18:45.06 | Atarii | you could also use a BNC if it's just IRC that you want to stay on |
| 18:45.08 | dragorn | alterego: you might be able to kluge up something simpler with nc and tun/tap, for really ugly. There (was?) a standard for Mobile IP which did essentially the same thing (consistent private IPs mapped to a concentrator neutral of the carrier), there might be some sw there |
| 18:45.21 | alterego | BNC is for the newbs. |
| 18:45.24 | alterego | screen ftw! :) |
| 18:45.57 | alterego | And no, this isn't IRC. |
| 18:46.00 | alterego | Not specifically. |
| 18:46.07 | alterego | This is SSH connections and Pidgin. |
| 18:46.34 | acydlord | pidgin usually stays life for me between net switches |
| 18:46.38 | alterego | I might just do a web interface to libpidgin. |
| 18:46.49 | acydlord | unless i wander in to a black spot |
| 18:49.14 | elb | YAM! |
| 18:49.34 | alterego | Like downtown LA? |
| 18:49.40 | alterego | (wonders if that was too racist) |
| 18:49.59 | Atarii | yam? |
| 18:50.04 | elb | Yet Another Meebo |
| 18:50.10 | alterego | The darkside of the moon? |
| 18:50.51 | elb | writing a libpurple web client is this generation's irc client |
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| 18:52.57 | |R | anyone remember where i can get a list of the participating countries for the developer coupon/rebate program? |
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| 18:53.06 | |R | (US, UK, France, .... ?) |
| 18:53.24 | alterego | "rebate program"? |
| 18:53.34 | |R | discount or whatever :P |
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| 18:53.38 | |R | the 99E thingie :) |
| 18:53.49 | alterego | No, |
| 18:53.49 | |R | _the_ code! :P |
| 18:53.53 | alterego | What country are you in? |
| 18:54.05 | |R | France... but apparently this work all over europe |
| 18:54.10 | alterego | Interesting, the New N82 directional pad looks identical to that of the N810's .. |
| 18:54.10 | |R | i just don't know which other european countries are in |
| 18:54.22 | alterego | Yes, the UK is in it. |
| 18:54.29 | alterego | I'd say any country that has a nokia shop. |
| 18:54.44 | alterego | And if not, they might be able to order from europe.nokia |
| 18:54.52 | |R | these 3 are in, i just don't remember the list i had to choose from :) |
| 18:55.22 | |R | as i'm not in france, and want a qwerty... (long story) |
| 18:55.37 | alterego | Heh, order it from the UK then. |
| 18:55.55 | alterego | Though, I would have expected the france model to be qwerty. |
| 18:56.02 | |R | nah, azerty :/ |
| 18:56.13 | alterego | Oh, shame. |
| 18:56.21 | alterego | And you're in France? |
| 18:56.27 | |R | but best thing would be to sell my coupon and get a north american version... but that's going to be hard (nobody trust code vs money exchange over the net ...) |
| 18:56.34 | |R | non, Canada |
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| 18:56.38 | |R | s/non/no |
| 18:56.50 | |R | but i have family there |
| 18:56.53 | alterego | There isn't a Canadian nokia online shop? |
| 18:56.56 | Atarii | n800 £134.99 delivered from play.com for today (out of stock tho) |
| 18:56.57 | alterego | Oh, right. |
| 18:57.15 | glaubervinicius | has anyone knows examples of business applications on top of maemo? |
| 18:57.22 | |R | I'm trying to get a friend of the family in the UK to get it... 2nd best case after a N-A version... |
| 18:57.34 | |R | alterego : yes there is a canadian shop, but not all shop are in the discount program |
| 18:57.44 | |R | that's why i need that list which i forgot to see what my options are :/ |
| 18:57.48 | acydlord | does nokiausa ship to canada? |
| 18:57.48 | alterego | "nokia online" |
| 18:58.02 | |R | acydlord : nop |
| 18:58.12 | |R | acydlord : and anyway right now, my coupon is locked to europe |
| 18:58.20 | |R | i asked the nokia guy responsible for the coupon |
| 18:58.37 | acydlord | 15th is when the usa codes work right? |
| 18:58.38 | Fritzy | How do you apply for a coupon? Where's the link to that info? |
| 18:58.40 | |R | couldn't change it (i would have had a contact in the states now but as i didn't know when i had to choose) |
| 18:58.51 | |R | Fritzy : it's over |
| 18:58.55 | |R | it was 1-2 months ago |
| 18:59.01 | Fritzy | ah |
| 18:59.42 | |R | So, best thing would be, sell the coupon for 280 Euro, get a canadian version.... 2nd best will be get a UK version with channel 10-13 only at 10mW... 3rd will be getting stuck with the azerty version :P |
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| 19:00.08 | acydlord | i'm probably not gonna be able to pick up my n810 for about a month as i'm flat broke :( |
| 19:00.34 | |R | :( |
| 19:00.36 | Fritzy | I'd love an 810, but I don't need GPS, and the price difference is astounding. |
| 19:01.02 | Tak | more available storage with n800 as well |
| 19:01.20 | |R | yeah, it's really just a nicely integrated n800 + gps + 1/2 kbd :) |
| 19:01.21 | Fritzy | Yeah, but no keyboard! |
| 19:01.26 | |R | - SD cards... |
| 19:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a perfectly functional thumbboard. |
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| 19:02.04 | Fritzy | Their site mentioned that the screen was better in sunlight on the 810 as well. |
| 19:02.19 | |R | transreflective screen (whatever that is ;) |
| 19:02.21 | acydlord | yeah, the n810 has a transreflective layer |
| 19:03.04 | Fritzy | I'd /like/ the GPS for hackery like Jabber extended presence, but really, for $300 more, it just doesn't seem worth it. |
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| 19:03.32 | alterego | You can buy it in Canada |R |
| 19:03.46 | |R | alterego : i know, i can buy it full price... |
| 19:03.52 | |R | but i have a 99E coupon |
| 19:04.04 | alterego | |R, check out the nseries site .. |
| 19:04.21 | alterego | |R, that code probably wont be usable until friday. |
| 19:04.37 | |R | the 15 i heard... but it's not supposed to work in canada |
| 19:04.47 | |R | it wasn't on the list and it's not supposed to be added |
| 19:05.04 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 19:05.18 | pupnik_ | Tak: rgvkb package? |
| 19:05.18 | alterego | Forget what I said about the nseries site too. It's not in the product listings O_O |
| 19:05.25 | |R | hehe :) |
| 19:05.50 | acydlord | i know 2 people that picked up the n810 from tiger direct while that had that limited run |
| 19:06.08 | Tak | eh? |
| 19:06.21 | alterego | Heh, a Nokia "flagship" store is coming to London. |
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| 19:07.33 | pupnik_ | 14:43 < Tak> speaking of which, would anybody like to test the rgvkb package |
| 19:07.44 | Tak | ah |
| 19:07.50 | alterego | rubygame VKB. |
| 19:07.52 | Tak | yes, would you like to? |
| 19:07.57 | pupnik_ | bleh no |
| 19:08.00 | pupnik_ | sorry |
| 19:08.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:08.26 | alterego | You will take it! |
| 19:08.51 | Tak | aww, isn't the thought of a sdl-based vkb tempting? |
| 19:09.20 | alterego | Tak, I can't even persuade people with hildon desktop plugins :) |
| 19:09.45 | Tak | sure, but hildon desktop plugins already exist in c ;-) |
| 19:09.53 | Fritzy | sdl virtual keyboard? sounds neat. Might be fun to do in pygame. |
| 19:10.10 | Tak | no, it mightn't |
| 19:10.15 | Fritzy | haha |
| 19:10.26 | Fritzy | whyn't not'nt? |
| 19:10.41 | alterego | Python is boring. Everyone uses Python. |
| 19:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | notn't :P |
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| 19:11.45 | Fritzy | So, let me get this straight, you use Ruby because Python is too popular? |
| 19:12.18 | alterego | Sure, isn't that why anyone learns a programming language? |
| 19:12.32 | alterego | As soon as a language gets popular it gets crap. Just look at C++ and Java .. |
| 19:13.11 | acydlord | visual basic =x |
| 19:13.19 | mgedmin | some languages get crap before they get popular :) |
| 19:13.27 | Tak | indeed |
| 19:14.10 | alterego | Heehee |
| 19:14.29 | alterego | It's probably related to the popular girls in high school being stupid too. |
| 19:17.29 | czr | I guess the training stuff wasn't published today? |
| 19:17.47 | alterego | I thought that happened last week? |
| 19:18.02 | alterego | (Could have sworn I saw it online) |
| 19:18.07 | czr | hmm. you did? |
| 19:18.21 | alterego | Maybe .. |
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| 19:21.00 | alterego | That's interesting .. |
| 19:21.18 | alterego | The "training" section is blocked. But I could have sworn I navigated there a few days ago. |
| 19:21.25 | alterego | Someone posted a link here that I followed. |
| 19:21.51 | alterego | I could be mistaken though :) |
| 19:21.55 | alterego | I get distracted easily. |
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| 19:23.18 | glaubervinicius | i am finding for business applications that have been developed on top of maemo... |
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| 19:24.05 | alterego | glaubervinicius, what kind of business apps. Have you checked the maemo application catalog. Most apps can be found there. |
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| 19:25.07 | glaubervinicius | yes... i have checked the catalog... but most of the applications are related to office (doc, spreadsheets, presentations, dict, etc.).. |
| 19:25.56 | glaubervinicius | i am finding for applications that have been used for enterprises in order to automate their business processes |
| 19:26.55 | alterego | glaubervinicius, if you've not found anything they don't exist. |
| 19:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's a little specialized for such a small platform. |
| 19:27.13 | alterego | It helps if you're looking for something specific. |
| 19:27.53 | czr | alterego, hmm. it should appear somewhere there under the training link when it's ready |
| 19:27.54 | czr | I guess |
| 19:28.02 | czr | but I'm beyond caring. my flight leaves in some hours :-) |
| 19:28.06 | alterego | :) |
| 19:28.14 | alterego | Yeah, have a few beers and relax :) |
| 19:28.36 | alterego | How did you get on with pygtk? |
| 19:28.48 | czr | it was fun actually |
| 19:29.08 | czr | I took some examples and rewrote them into more pythonic form |
| 19:29.09 | alterego | Yeah, it's nice doing Gtk in high level languages. |
| 19:29.10 | |R | anyone from europe here came to north america and had trouble connecting to APs on channel 10-11 ? :P |
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| 19:29.41 | alterego | |R, no, only 12 + 13 :P |
| 19:29.47 | |R | ;) |
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| 19:30.17 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:30.30 | |R | czr but stll, conflicts with 14 from japan :P |
| 19:30.50 | czr | the japanese are wrong and can be ignored! |
| 19:31.19 | |R | hehe |
| 19:31.43 | alterego | Hah |
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| 19:39.42 | alterego | czr, been working on my hildon desktop plugin code. I've got it to display an error dialog when it breaks. As opposed to crashing the entire desktop and causing it to restart. Or the other choice, doing absolutely nothing :) |
| 19:39.53 | alterego | Both of which are natively supported by the Python hildon desktop loader. ^_^ |
| 19:40.17 | alterego | I just decided it was time I stopped walking in Python's shadow and came out into the open ;) |
| 19:40.19 | czr | or maybe it's the SDK ;-) |
| 19:40.26 | alterego | SDK, device .. Whatever :P |
| 19:40.41 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:40.48 | czr | see the world :-) |
| 19:41.00 | alterego | I think maemo is in the basement. |
| 19:41.02 | czr | it an unimportant variable |
| 19:41.09 | czr | wrong. maemo is where it belongs |
| 19:41.17 | czr | basement even :-) |
| 19:41.32 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:41.58 | alterego | I'm working on a more advanced version now. It'll display a full stack trace. |
| 19:44.42 | czr | since universe started? |
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| 19:45.04 | alterego | As far as the Ruby interpreter is concerned .. Sure .. :) |
| 19:45.22 | czr | it isn't "full stack trace" then. |
| 19:46.54 | alterego | I'll leave that feature for the anal python devs. |
| 19:47.18 | alterego | It's glorious writing crap code that _doesn't_ break the system and tells you why it's not working :) |
| 19:47.30 | alterego | The plugin developer doesn't even have to worry about it ^_^ |
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| 19:49.26 | khertan | alterego: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=229&aid=1736&group_id=40 |
| 19:50.02 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:50.08 | alterego | That's such bs. |
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| 19:50.27 | alterego | That plugin was developed as an _EXAMPLE_ by rocha. |
| 19:50.43 | alterego | With that attitude you'll never get hildon-desktop support in pymaemo .. |
| 19:50.53 | khertan | clear |
| 19:51.24 | alterego | You should pick up ruby :P |
| 19:51.41 | khertan | alterego: lol |
| 19:51.54 | alterego | I'm sorry, I know you must be gettin' pretty frustrated by now. I would be .. |
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| 19:52.04 | khertan | i'm ... |
| 19:52.12 | khertan | i ve just answered |
| 19:52.22 | khertan | as you said .. |
| 19:52.29 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:52.53 | alterego | I wrestled with the ruby hildon-desktop loader for about a week. |
| 19:53.06 | kuzew | hey all, has anyone found a fix for the soft poweroff option within the new release (OS 2008)? |
| 19:53.11 | alterego | Probably spent 24 hours in total on that one 220 line file. |
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| 19:53.46 | alterego | I ended up rewriting it 2 times. The 3rd version just started working miraculously ^_^ |
| 19:53.48 | khertan | spend 24h to compile already existing binding |
| 19:53.56 | alterego | Oh my |
| 19:54.02 | Vulcanis | Does anyone know when the official os2008 will be released? |
| 19:54.06 | khertan | and still doesn't work |
| 19:54.29 | czr | in 2008? |
| 19:54.32 | khertan | i think i should rewrite it myself ... |
| 19:54.32 | czr | or in the year 2000? |
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| 19:54.55 | alterego | I'd help you but .. I don't have python installed in my SDK and I'd personally prefer to keep it that way. Nothing against Python, it's just not my forte anymore. |
| 19:56.00 | alterego | khertan, have you found _any_ error messages when you start af-sb-init or attempt to load the plugin? |
| 19:56.22 | alterego | If the loader is broken you should get an "unknown plugin type: python" |
| 19:56.37 | khertan | only cannot load "homememory" module |
| 19:56.50 | alterego | home memory module .. |
| 19:57.01 | khertan | it s my module |
| 19:57.07 | alterego | That's very strange. And this is the _basic_ example python plugin? |
| 19:57.14 | khertan | yes |
| 19:57.20 | khertan | a gtk.Button() |
| 19:57.25 | khertan | and that all |
| 19:57.36 | alterego | Hrm .. Never seen that before. |
| 19:58.09 | alterego | I could be wrong. But I'm sure that's python |
| 19:58.46 | alterego | In fact, that's obviously pymaemo .. |
| 19:59.04 | khertan | i think there is a problem in the loader |
| 19:59.24 | alterego | So the problem there is in the dependencies. Either the plugin loader has a module it requires that isn't in your load path. Or the example plugin does. |
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| 20:00.44 | khertan | thanks |
| 20:00.45 | alterego | I probably know this system better than rocha by now ;) |
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| 20:02.19 | alterego | Well, I see where the error is being generated./ |
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| 20:04.56 | khertan | alterego: great |
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| 20:09.03 | khertan | arg my vmware network doesn't work anymore |
| 20:09.20 | czr | you upgraded it into noware network |
| 20:09.29 | czr | your license for packet bits has run out of bits |
| 20:10.01 | khertan | it s just the wmware player ... on linux |
| 20:13.34 | pupnik_ | "Just for the record. I asked Nokia/Maemo team and they told me the day we will finally be able to use our codes is expected to be the 15 of december." - epertinez on ITT |
| 20:13.34 | alterego | khertan, is that the only error you get? |
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| 20:13.56 | alterego | Saturday? That's strange .. |
| 20:14.03 | pupnik_ | Mon Dec 10 20:13:10 UTC 2007 |
| 20:14.16 | alterego | Maybe they're counting for time zones. |
| 20:14.24 | alterego | I presumed it'd all be done on the 14th (friday) |
| 20:14.58 | alterego | This loader code isn't pretty .. |
| 20:15.27 | alterego | He first tests that the module he wants to load has not been loaded if (pModule == NULL) |
| 20:15.42 | alterego | Then after that, he seems to test if it's not NULL. |
| 20:15.53 | alterego | Then there's an else clause that spurts that error message. |
| 20:18.09 | alterego | Oh, actually that kind of makes sense :/ |
| 20:18.46 | alterego | khertan, have you tried putting your module in pythons standard library path? |
| 20:19.03 | khertan | g_path_get_basename (module_file) |
| 20:19.14 | khertan | so we can't provide module path |
| 20:19.26 | khertan | it should be in the standart library path ... |
| 20:19.28 | alterego | Exactly. |
| 20:19.40 | alterego | That's f*ck'd up really. |
| 20:19.44 | khertan | if i understand it should be : /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ |
| 20:19.51 | khertan | i ve tryed this |
| 20:19.52 | alterego | No |
| 20:19.55 | khertan | no ? |
| 20:19.55 | alterego | Not in there. |
| 20:20.08 | alterego | In one of pythons standard search directories. |
| 20:20.09 | khertan | where to ? |
| 20:20.27 | alterego | Like /usr/lib/python/*/ .. |
| 20:20.35 | alterego | Probably the sitedir would be best. |
| 20:22.38 | khertan | i m trying this |
| 20:23.43 | alterego | I think there's a bug in his loader. It's completely ignoring file location in the keyfile (.desktop file). |
| 20:24.03 | alterego | He seems to rely on the file being in pythons load path. |
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| 20:25.09 | desertc | I am interested in using Ekiga on my N800... |
| 20:25.26 | Robot101 | did you try the built in SIP? |
| 20:27.03 | khertan | it s now in the package-site ... |
| 20:27.21 | khertan | in ipython i can import it directly with : import homememory |
| 20:27.30 | khertan | but still don't work |
| 20:27.30 | alterego | Okay |
| 20:27.42 | alterego | Have you restarted the desktop? |
| 20:27.47 | alterego | af-sb-init.sh restart? |
| 20:28.12 | alterego | You're still under X86 target right? Because don't expect _anything_ to work in the armel target .. |
| 20:28.36 | khertan | i'm on the device |
| 20:28.45 | khertan | as i m now at home |
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| 20:29.16 | khertan | and that network doesn t seem to work in my maemo vmware image |
| 20:29.38 | khertan | (sysklogd installed :) ) |
| 20:31.03 | alterego | Heh |
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| 20:34.45 | alterego | Kinky |
| 20:34.49 | Sho_ | czr: let me guess: http://phonefingers.com/ |
| 20:34.58 | Sho_ | the finger condome for use with touch screens ;) |
| 20:34.58 | alterego | You know, I still haven't found a decent kit bag :( |
| 20:35.28 | czr | Sho_, heh. that looks evil :-) |
| 20:35.29 | czr | and no. |
| 20:35.41 | khertan | czr > this latex one ? http://www.sex-toys.fr/vibromasseurs/vibromasseurs-factory/vibromasseur-dinky-digger-watermelon-11035.html |
| 20:35.43 | khertan | ;) |
| 20:36.23 | Sho_ | (wait, that would require three arms ..) |
| 20:36.44 | czr | heh khertan. no |
| 20:36.47 | alterego | Sho_, you must be pretty cold and lonely :P |
| 20:36.54 | czr | you people should definitely get out more often :-) |
| 20:37.04 | Sho_ | alterego: Gadget withdrawal :) |
| 20:37.22 | alterego | You'd have to have owned one to have withdrawal :P |
| 20:37.32 | alterego | I think you've got kiddie christmas indrawal. |
| 20:37.42 | Sho_ | alterego: I did have an N800 |
| 20:38.09 | Sho_ | Not a Christian, so I suppose it would be live-long withdrawal, which might indeed have severe effects |
| 20:39.04 | czr | live-long reminds me of a cigarette pack I once bought in HK |
| 20:39.24 | czr | bright yellow pack, with a very old man with a very long beard on it. "long life" was the brand. |
| 20:39.37 | Sho_ | Very subtle ;) |
| 20:39.51 | czr | I thought it was somehow ironic. but .. in a country where the same company makes cigarettes, sweat clothes and ping pong tables, one can't go wrong. |
| 20:40.20 | alterego | Wow, they must be a huge monopoly. :) |
| 20:40.33 | czr | in china everything is so big and so small |
| 20:40.42 | czr | although to understand that sentence you'd have to live in the country for a while. |
| 20:41.35 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/pics/china1998/misc_china17_b.jpg |
| 20:42.12 | alterego | objects big, spaces small :P |
| 20:42.31 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/pics/china1998/misc_china34_a.jpg |
| 20:42.37 | czr | probably should stop pasting those links :-) |
| 20:42.44 | czr | there are plenty more of those where those two came from :-) |
| 20:42.54 | Tak | czr: Is it ok if I hate life, but still don't pick the flowers? |
| 20:43.10 | Sho_ | "ASS WORLD" could be a pack-animal boutique, of course |
| 20:43.10 | czr | Tak, you could always argue with the ground keepers |
| 20:43.20 | czr | most likely it would be an old cranky woman |
| 20:43.23 | khertan | lol |
| 20:43.25 | czr | and you mostly lose arguments with those |
| 20:43.49 | khertan | This is a simplified interface to PyImport_ImportModuleEx() below, leaving the globals and locals arguments set to NULL. When the name argument contains a dot (when it specifies a submodule of a package), the fromlist argument is set to the list ['*'] so that the return value is the named module rather than the top-level package containing it as would otherwise be the case. (Unfortunately, this has an additional side effect wh |
| 20:43.49 | khertan | en name in fact specifies a subpackage instead of a submodule: the submodules specified in the package's __all__ variable are loaded.) Return a new reference to the imported module, or NULL with an exception set on failure. Before Python 2.4, the module may still be created in the failure case -- examine sys.modules to find out. Starting with Python 2.4, a failing import of a module no longer leaves the module in sys.modules. |
| 20:43.49 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.50 | Tak | perhaps if I enrage her enough, she will divorce me from my life |
| 20:43.53 | khertan | oups .... sorry |
| 20:44.19 | czr | Tak, or probably feng shui you away |
| 20:44.22 | khertan | heh ... it s not a v-key :) |
| 20:44.33 | khertan | third click :) |
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| 20:44.53 | alterego | khertan, got it working yet? |
| 20:44.55 | khertan | (still not a key) |
| 20:45.04 | khertan | alterego: not at all :) |
| 20:45.14 | Tak | she will position me so as to be aesthetically pleasing and promote qi flow? |
| 20:45.20 | alterego | Meh |
| 20:45.38 | alterego | khertan, well, it looks like it adds hildondesktoplibdir to the include path. |
| 20:45.39 | czr | Tak, old ladies like this one: http://koltsoff.com/pub/pics/china1998/misc_china54_a.jpg |
| 20:45.44 | alterego | Something I presume is defined in the makoefile. |
| 20:45.54 | czr | Tak, yes. or rather in your case position you so that you don't inhibit qi flow :-) |
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| 20:46.49 | khertan | alterego: hildondesktoplibdir |
| 20:47.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 20:47.12 | Tak | I inhibit qi flow regardless of position |
| 20:47.12 | alterego | Probably /usr/lib/hildon-desktop :) |
| 20:47.22 | czr | maybe the best picture to describe "everything is so large and small": http://koltsoff.com/pub/pics/china1998/shanghai_china20_c.jpg |
| 20:47.26 | khertan | hildonpluginloaderlib_LTLIBRARIES = libpythonpluginloader.la |
| 20:48.12 | khertan | alterego: and it doesn't work too in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop ... |
| 20:48.23 | alterego | khertan, that was a guess .. |
| 20:48.58 | alterego | It's probably /usr/lib/hildon-home .. |
| 20:49.38 | khertan | tryed too :) |
| 20:49.43 | khertan | other idea ? |
| 20:49.53 | alterego | Actually, you're doing status bar applets so that'd be /usr/lib/hildon-status-bar |
| 20:50.21 | khertan | i'm not doing status bar applets :) |
| 20:50.30 | khertan | not yet :) |
| 20:50.45 | alterego | Oh, right. |
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| 20:52.14 | alterego | khertan, well. I can't really do anymore. Short of installing python and having ago myself. But I don't know python anymore so I'm not really prepared to learn it again :P |
| 20:52.49 | khertan | after copying it everywhere i get now : Could not initialize Python module |
| 20:53.04 | alterego | khertan, I'll check. |
| 20:53.19 | khertan | so : PyImport_ImportModule (module_name); fails |
| 20:53.52 | alterego | And what came before that. |
| 20:54.22 | alterego | You should edit the loader to take absolute paths .. |
| 20:55.43 | alterego | Or get rocha to release a flippin' deb .. |
| 20:55.53 | alterego | With proper working examples ;) |
| 20:56.16 | czr | is pymaemo/python on 2008 in working order btw? |
| 20:56.32 | czr | I mean, what are the chances that the whole sdk will break when using it? |
| 20:56.36 | czr | or the device(s) |
| 20:57.05 | khertan | pymaemo work great on os2008 |
| 20:57.09 | alterego | czr, very little. Unless yo uwant to write hildon desktop plugins ;) |
| 20:57.13 | khertan | there is a release for it |
| 20:57.48 | czr | hmm. maybe I should take it for a spin at some point |
| 20:57.48 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.05 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:58.09 | czr | I'm planning to do some simple way of constructing arch-indep debs at some point |
| 21:00.38 | dragorn | has anyone gotten the radio app working on the 810? It doesn't error, but I don't find any radio stations, either |
| 21:00.46 | alterego | dragorn, works fine for me. |
| 21:00.47 | Vulcanis | did you plug in headphones? |
| 21:00.52 | dragorn | Vulcanis: yup |
| 21:00.56 | Vulcanis | Hm. |
| 21:00.59 | dragorn | alterego: k |
| 21:01.10 | dragorn | I'll chalk it up to "user error" and look at it more seriously later then |
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| 21:01.55 | alterego | I should be able to create a ruby daemon at some point. But that's a bit of work .. |
| 21:01.59 | desertc | Does the Ekiga port work well on N800? I bought 20$ of minutes from a company which is not Skype or Gizmo, and I don't know a way to configure their SIP server in those two applications. |
| 21:02.37 | Tak | please, a turn-offable daemon |
| 21:02.57 | khertan | alterego: i'm looking at ruby :) it very similar to python |
| 21:03.06 | khertan | s/it/it's |
| 21:03.12 | alterego | Yes, it's a lot like Python in many ways. |
| 21:03.22 | Tak | except it doesn't fight you every step of the way |
| 21:03.36 | dragorn | alterego: have you looked at a ruby 1.9 port yet? |
| 21:05.05 | khertan | except it doesn't fight you every step of the way ??? |
| 21:06.40 | khertan | # en Ruby |
| 21:06.40 | khertan | if 0 |
| 21:06.40 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.40 | khertan | else |
| 21:06.41 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.42 | khertan | end |
| 21:06.45 | khertan | ouch ... this suck ! |
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| 21:07.05 | Tak | ? |
| 21:07.19 | khertan | the result is "0 est vrai/true" |
| 21:07.43 | hexa | khertan, should it be if 0 .. puts is false ,, else puts is true? |
| 21:08.25 | Tak | puts('0 is ' + 0 ? 'true' : 'false') |
| 21:09.38 | khertan | ... with all language if 0 doesn t enter in the if condition |
| 21:09.55 | khertan | it ll be annoying and source of many error |
| 21:10.54 | alterego | dragorn, yes. It's in the pipes. |
| 21:11.40 | pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=CII2crrTEe0 new one for me - streaming media server Linux MCE with nokia 770 client |
| 21:11.44 | dragorn | alterego: Looking forwards to it. I find 1.8 too slow to use for large apps (ie, msf) but I read some promising benchmarks on 1.9 |
| 21:11.46 | alterego | What's wrong with 0 being evaluated to true? |
| 21:12.04 | alterego | dragorn, msf? |
| 21:12.04 | sp3000 | it's a bit unconventional |
| 21:12.10 | dragorn | alterego: metasploit |
| 21:12.17 | alterego | Oh, it's not "C". |
| 21:12.17 | khertan | alterego: it s unconventional and different from many language |
| 21:12.26 | alterego | Give a shit .. |
| 21:12.31 | alterego | 0 is a value. |
| 21:12.40 | khertan | and when you switch many times a day ... it should be source of many errors :) |
| 21:12.42 | alterego | Nil is not a value |
| 21:12.45 | alterego | and false is false |
| 21:12.48 | khertan | switch language |
| 21:12.49 | fysa | that is an important concept and I hope other languages take it in. |
| 21:12.54 | alterego | Doesn't with me. |
| 21:13.05 | alterego | I use C and Ruby all the time and I've never had that problem |
| 21:13.19 | khertan | anyway... it s seem s a interesting language |
| 21:13.45 | elb | I've run into that before, I use primarily C and ruby |
| 21:14.05 | elb | if I've been doing a lot of C, sometimes I expect 0 to be false in ruby ... but, generally, ruby's model is consistent for ruby |
| 21:14.09 | sp3000 | HOLY CRAP THAT'S A BIG FISH |
| 21:14.17 | alterego | Really, when using C you should use 'FALSE' and 'NULL' you should rely on '0' as an immediate value in a test. ever .. |
| 21:14.35 | pupnik_ | oh duh, that's not streaming, it's a remote control for a PC media center |
| 21:14.37 | alterego | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:14.39 | Tak | I'm in line with alterego |
| 21:14.41 | khertan | alterego: right |
| 21:14.52 | alterego | Shut up infotwat |
| 21:15.10 | alterego | Bloody substituted the wrong should ;) |
| 21:15.15 | elb | so, what is this, Monkey_ was booted and someone reinserted a different annoying infobot? |
| 21:15.29 | alterego | infobot has been around as long as Monkey I believe. |
| 21:15.33 | khertan | alterego: so maybe i should try ruby by pratice ... :) hildondesktop binding is available ? :) |
| 21:15.42 | alterego | khertan, yup |
| 21:15.43 | elb | oh, monkey just traditionally had the jump on annoying? |
| 21:15.52 | alterego | I'll upload the latest packages. Hang on ;) |
| 21:16.25 | khertan | alterego: do u know good tuto on ruby for people having experiences with other language ? |
| 21:17.18 | alterego | khertan, read "programming ruby" by the pragmatic programmers. An older version is available online so just google and you shall find. |
| 21:19.43 | alterego | Going to the datacenter tomorrow to reinstall a server .. Manually. |
| 21:19.55 | alterego | Why my employer couldn't opt for KVM access I don't know O_O |
| 21:20.11 | alterego | I have to drive, to London, at peak traffic times -_- |
| 21:22.15 | khertan | i must go on |
| 21:22.16 | khertan | bye |
| 21:22.23 | khertan | and thanks alterego for your help |
| 21:22.31 | czr | khertan, s/i/my heart/. |
| 21:22.39 | czr | otherwise it doesn't quite work. |
| 21:22.56 | khertan | :) |
| 21:23.17 | alterego | Hah |
| 21:24.10 | czr | hmm. I wonder. if a flight is scheduled to depart at 0615, at what time is the check-in desk open? :-) |
| 21:24.43 | czr | secretly tell: "I have a secret and I won't tell it to you, but if you guess enough times, you might get it right"? |
| 21:24.52 | czr | similar to ferenc's "working silently" :-) |
| 21:25.05 | czr | ninja-like. |
| 21:25.51 | alterego | I think I'm gonna have to run to the shops in a minute. |
| 21:25.56 | alterego | (have run out of tobacco) |
| 21:27.04 | ||cw | people still use check-in desks? |
| 21:27.16 | czr | ||cw, some people do |
| 21:27.23 | ||cw | i guess if there's a problem.... |
| 21:27.28 | czr | indeed |
| 21:27.38 | czr | and this flight is complicated. have two switches and going to the us |
| 21:27.53 | suihkulokki | http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/ninjas.jpg |
| 21:28.02 | czr | so I prefer to do it the old-school way. even with electronic check-in I'd still have to drop the bags and fill in the US-required travel information blah |
| 21:28.15 | czr | heh suihkulokki |
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| 21:28.29 | ||cw | they give you the form on the plane, you can fill it out before you get tot he gate |
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| 21:28.52 | czr | not that travel visa |
| 21:28.59 | czr | but the stuff that they record in the databases |
| 21:29.10 | czr | like addresses where you're going to stay, etc, etc. |
| 21:29.22 | ||cw | yes, they give that to you on the plane |
| 21:29.23 | suihkulokki | all the "security theater" checks make boarding such a pain in the ass these days |
| 21:29.31 | czr | ||cw, they haven't so far. /me shrugs |
| 21:29.54 | czr | it was much nicer before all the crap. one could actually travel quite fast with planes |
| 21:30.07 | ||cw | I went to france last year, they gave us the forms before landing |
| 21:30.12 | ||cw | maybe just AA does it |
| 21:30.22 | czr | ||cw, maybe it works the other way around you see |
| 21:30.28 | czr | EU doesn't require all that info. |
| 21:30.28 | czr | US does. |
| 21:30.39 | czr | cause otherwise terrorists would invade the country. |
| 21:30.40 | ||cw | getting into france was MUCH easier than getting back home though |
| 21:30.43 | czr | but now the form will stop them. |
| 21:31.04 | ||cw | IIRC, I had to fill out the same form 15 years ago |
| 21:31.11 | czr | that was for visa. |
| 21:31.12 | ||cw | but I didn't have to take my shoes off |
| 21:31.16 | czr | heh |
| 21:31.19 | ||cw | no, this was upon landing |
| 21:31.25 | ||cw | declarations and such |
| 21:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | Security is such a joke. |
| 21:31.31 | czr | that's customs then |
| 21:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to hijack a plane, they're going to hijack a plane. |
| 21:31.43 | ||cw | that's what you said, customs |
| 21:31.58 | GeneralAntilles | If they want to keep that from happening, they're gonna have to make everybody fly naked. |
| 21:31.59 | czr | ||cw, no. we also have to fill additional paper thingy |
| 21:32.12 | czr | ||cw, homeland security wants to know who people are travelling to while in the US |
| 21:32.21 | czr | so one has to write addresses and all that |
| 21:32.38 | czr | GeneralAntilles, and require proper body searches too |
| 21:32.44 | ||cw | GeneralAntilles: close, just scatter-gather x-ray machines so that you appear naked on the screen |
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| 21:34.15 | lardman | evening all |
| 21:34.28 | czr | evening master |
| 21:34.40 | lardman | czr: what have I done today..... :) |
| 21:35.05 | czr | I haven't reached my bowing-quota this week. so I'm somewhat late :-) |
| 21:35.36 | lardman | ah, bow away then, and if you know anything about the innards of Tremor I'll return the bows |
| 21:35.59 | czr | sorry no.. |
| 21:36.34 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m18322f0c for anyone who's interested, top one's the DSP, bottom one's my x86_64 machine, pretty much the same code |
| 21:37.42 | czr | seems that the call in sync_out behaves differently |
| 21:37.57 | czr | the first ogg_sync_pageseek seems to work identically, although it doesn't print out everything out |
| 21:38.15 | czr | "cmp64_int(boundary,0)!=0" ? |
| 21:38.27 | czr | maybe the input stream is not aligned enough for the code to work properly on it? |
| 21:38.47 | czr | although I have hard time believing that should matter, but I don't know the innards of ogg or arm for that matter |
| 21:38.52 | pupnik | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4422887272477313460&hl=en wowwwww linux media center edition |
| 21:40.46 | khertan | czr hides couple of celine dion CDs in khertan's backpocket > hopefully she don't like his music ! |
| 21:41.09 | czr | heh |
| 21:41.19 | czr | I'm sure she's used to constructive critisism :-) |
| 21:41.57 | |R | http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlock-Nokia-810-Phone-Today-NO-TOOLS-REQUIRED_W0QQitemZ290186613720QQihZ019QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:41.59 | |R | hahaha |
| 21:42.24 | khertan | mouarf |
| 21:42.38 | Atarii | lol what the hell |
| 21:42.38 | lardman | czr: I'll have to add some more output comments to the DSP code and see if I can work out where it diverges |
| 21:42.54 | |R | honest! no tools required! hahaha |
| 21:43.05 | inz | |R, they have the wrong picture there, nokia 810 looks like this: http://www.nokia.fi/NOKIA_FINLAND_50/Find_and_Compare/810/810_main.jpg |
| 21:43.38 | |R | that's a remote-phone? :P |
| 21:44.03 | czr | lardman, probably some code that "checks" for parameters when the routine is entered |
| 21:44.42 | czr | lardman, you could also try printing out the last 15 bits of pointers to check their alignments (if they differ), but I could completely wrong of course as well :-) |
| 21:46.00 | derf | lardman: It looks like it tries to parse the first page, finds that it has no bytes buffered, and on x86_64, reads in 1024 bytes, and on the DSP doesn't even try to read any bytes. |
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| 21:46.50 | derf | Look at, e.g., vorbisfile.c:122 |
| 21:46.54 | nwidger | hello |
| 21:47.07 | nwidger | has anyone here ordered an n810 from provantage.com? |
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| 21:50.54 | dragorn | no, though I've ordered a few things in the past years from provantage and never gotten screwed |
| 21:51.18 | nwidger | dragorn: well that's good i guess |
| 21:51.26 | nwidger | they keep pushing back the shipping date :\ |
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| 21:52.17 | dragorn | I got mine at the nokia store in nyc, and there were people from 2 or 3 other stores in the area in there talking to the nokia people about when they might get more in |
| 21:52.26 | dragorn | they're pretty hard to get |
| 21:53.36 | czr | maybe they're too busy fixing all my reported bugs in the SDK? |
| 21:54.44 | lardman | derf: ok, let me take a look at my reading code |
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| 21:55.58 | nwidger | dragorn: that's disheartening :( |
| 21:56.12 | inz | czr, you hide and run quite often |
| 21:56.20 | inz | czr, is it some kind of assassin excercise for you? |
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| 21:56.36 | Spastic | Hello |
| 22:00.45 | lardman | derf: Is this an issue?: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071210-nokia-wants-w3c-to-remove-out-ogg-from-upcoming-html5-standard.html |
| 22:01.14 | derf | It's certainly an "issue". |
| 22:02.24 | derf | It made /. and has been posted in here 5 or 6 times already. |
| 22:04.32 | elb | derf, master of understatement |
| 22:04.44 | elb | within an order of magnitude of 5 or 6, anyway ;-) |
| 22:05.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:05.54 | czr | inz, yes |
| 22:06.04 | czr | inz, but I can't tell you any more details |
| 22:06.05 | derf | I'm glad to see the rest of the world finally found out about it, but the amount of stupid in that comment thread makes baby kittens cry. |
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| 22:06.18 | czr | inz, you'd have to sign the NDA to hear more. with your blood. all of it. |
| 22:06.30 | czr | (yes, it's a large NDA) |
| 22:06.34 | derf | I didn't read the /. thread, because I don't read /. |
| 22:06.50 | derf | (/. free for 6 years, 30 days). |
| 22:06.52 | alterego | czr, image 1st, SDK later ;) |
| 22:06.56 | alterego | Maybe next year ;) |
| 22:07.28 | alterego | :D |
| 22:07.44 | alterego | I'm tired, but I've got my nicotine fix. |
| 22:07.52 | czr | ah, you came back? |
| 22:07.59 | alterego | Yup |
| 22:08.03 | alterego | I'm quick I know :) |
| 22:08.11 | alterego | It's too cold to walk slow. |
| 22:08.12 | inz | czr, do I need to sign all of the NDA or with all my blood? |
| 22:08.19 | alterego | Though, there was a queue .. |
| 22:08.30 | inz | czr, event large NDAs usually take only one signature |
| 22:09.01 | czr | inz, with all of your blood. |
| 22:09.05 | elb | and 200,000 initials |
| 22:09.29 | czr | I think the initials thingy is something more american |
| 22:09.34 | czr | that never quite caught on here. |
| 22:09.43 | czr | at least not in finland |
| 22:10.00 | czr | I have trouble explaining what "marking initials" means when people sign RH NDAs |
| 22:10.08 | elb | really? |
| 22:10.15 | alterego | Red Hat? |
| 22:10.16 | elb | that's good to hear |
| 22:10.19 | elb | because it SUCKS |
| 22:10.38 | elb | I can't remember what the last long document I had to sign was, but I had to initial every freaking page |
| 22:10.38 | alterego | Red Hat have NDA's? That's interesting. |
| 22:10.41 | elb | it SUCKED |
| 22:10.42 | czr | alterego, of course. |
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| 22:11.05 | czr | elb, you felt dirty all over after signing it? |
| 22:11.05 | lardman | derf: Ah, my PC crashed this arvo, lost all my backlog for the day |
| 22:11.07 | elb | possibly immigration paperwork |
| 22:11.17 | czr | I know that feeling. I'm covered with the legaleze foo of many a company |
| 22:11.19 | alterego | Well, I don't really like Red Hat, though they've done a lot of good work for the OSS movement. |
| 22:11.19 | elb | czr: well, I don't generally sign NDAs, per se |
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| 22:11.25 | czr | no amount of showering will make me clean anymore. |
| 22:11.28 | elb | but financial and etc. documents |
| 22:11.59 | alterego | I'm not even allowed to talk about my NDA's .. |
| 22:12.01 | alterego | Shit .. |
| 22:12.03 | czr | alterego, they also pay people to work on the problems that no one wants to work on |
| 22:12.14 | alterego | czr, really? What kind of problems? :D |
| 22:12.16 | czr | alterego, which is why things eventually get fixed |
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| 22:12.29 | czr | documentation, kernel bugs, gtk, all that |
| 22:12.36 | alterego | Cool. |
| 22:12.42 | czr | I meant of course that they employ people :-) |
| 22:12.48 | czr | not that they per for each bug fixed. |
| 22:12.55 | czr | +pay |
| 22:12.55 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:13.08 | alterego | They should. I think a lot more bugs would get fixed ^_^ |
| 22:13.16 | czr | I doubt it |
| 22:13.42 | czr | unless we're talking about large amounts of money ala google. |
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| 22:15.27 | alterego | I'd fix bugs for a nominal fee. |
| 22:15.37 | alterego | Though, I guess it depends on the size of the bug .. |
| 22:15.53 | alterego | If you're talking about rewriting the whole driver system in the kernel .. Well .. Fuck that. |
| 22:16.25 | lardman | you might do it if you found it interesting though |
| 22:16.32 | alterego | Yes, there is that. |
| 22:16.37 | alterego | And no doubt I would find it interesting :) |
| 22:16.38 | lardman | and had a lot of time on your hands.... :) |
| 22:16.46 | derf | Good luck getting the kernel to take it. |
| 22:17.16 | derf | Red Hat already paid Monty to rewrite the USB scheduler for them, but they didn't want it. |
| 22:17.28 | czr | alterego, but how would you know whether a given bug is easy or hard to fix and what price to set to it? :-) |
| 22:17.40 | alterego | I'd audit it. |
| 22:17.43 | alterego | first .. |
| 22:17.53 | czr | you must be a good auditor ;-) |
| 22:17.57 | lardman | derf: yes, there is tha |
| 22:18.06 | czr | a lot of the more evil bugs look pretty trivial at start |
| 22:18.10 | alterego | I'm good at guessing if that's what you mean ;) |
| 22:18.19 | czr | alterego, yes. the art of guesstimation |
| 22:18.46 | czr | I really hate that when I need to estimate the required hours/effort to achieve something which I have never done before |
| 22:18.49 | alterego | I usually guess, then say, yeah x plus a month or add a month. |
| 22:18.58 | czr | and obviously working on stuff that I've already done before is too boring so.. |
| 22:18.59 | alterego | Yeah, I get that alot. |
| 22:19.22 | lardman | altergo: about an hour + a month or so :) |
| 22:19.31 | derf | My strategy was always to just make up something arbitrary, and multiply it by 8. |
| 22:19.42 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:19.51 | lardman | alterego: sorry for the typo |
| 22:20.05 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:21.58 | czr | derf, I've used 9 |
| 22:22.20 | czr | * 3 because I know it will take 3 times the time it should, and even then, projects tend to last 3 times longer. so 3 * 3 = 9. :-) |
| 22:22.39 | Atarii | ah the good old rule of 3 |
| 22:23.49 | czr | best projects have no deadlines |
| 22:23.58 | inz | czr, the bounties could be given to lowest bidder ;) |
| 22:24.14 | czr | inz, don't divulge trade secrets! |
| 22:24.54 | inz | Sorry, did I ruineds your evvil plan? |
| 22:25.08 | czr | inz, heh. no. maybe N's evil plan :-) |
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| 22:25.19 | czr | my plan is so evil, even I cannot ruin it. |
| 22:25.33 | penguinbait | uh oh, evil plans? |
| 22:27.31 | inz | czr, ooh, I need an idiot-proof evvil plan too! |
| 22:28.11 | czr | inz, indeed |
| 22:28.32 | czr | if the plan is evil beyond comprehension, it cannot be ruined, since no one can understand it |
| 22:29.08 | penguinbait | can I be the judge? |
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| 22:29.29 | inz | penguinbait, that would be too easy |
| 22:30.18 | penguinbait | ok, I just used paypal to order an ACME evil plan kit |
| 22:30.27 | penguinbait | I'm onboard! |
| 22:30.30 | czr | heh |
| 22:30.31 | penguinbait | heh |
| 22:30.36 | czr | the ACME one SUCKS! |
| 22:30.42 | czr | they ship Windows ME. |
| 22:30.51 | czr | not nearly evil enough plan. |
| 22:31.02 | penguinbait | no wonder the cyote never had a chance |
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| 22:31.24 | Spastic | Hello |
| 22:31.38 | Spastic | Does anyone here have Minimo running? |
| 22:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | What would be the point? |
| 22:31.58 | alterego | Spastic, something wrong with microb? |
| 22:32.26 | Spastic | Sorry, what is microb?\ |
| 22:32.50 | acydlord | it's the mozilla engine browser for maemo |
| 22:32.57 | penguinbait | Spastic what OS are you running? |
| 22:33.02 | Spastic | 2006 |
| 22:33.08 | Spastic | On the 770 |
| 22:33.25 | alterego | Is there a microb release for 2006? |
| 22:33.28 | alterego | There should be .. |
| 22:33.35 | penguinbait | microb is available on that isn't it, or is it only HE |
| 22:33.50 | pupnik | anybody gotten a usb wifi device working on 770/n8x0? |
| 22:34.14 | Spastic | They dont have usb ports, do they? |
| 22:34.24 | pupnik | they have usb ports |
| 22:34.25 | penguinbait | Nope, but I want to get my usb wifi logeitch joysticks working |
| 22:34.27 | alterego | pupnik, I've not tried mine. Mainly because the module isn't in the kernel tree. |
| 22:35.01 | pupnik | hoping some kernel hacker tries it sometime - maybe fanoush |
| 22:35.12 | alterego | I will try it. |
| 22:35.25 | alterego | Just not now, well, maybe in a few minutes when I've finished my release. |
| 22:35.26 | czr | penguinbait, heh for the coyote |
| 22:35.47 | penguinbait | speaking of usb devices, I made a cdrom.deb for the kernel modules for 2008OS, it automounts disks, how do I get it to automount the cdrom/dev devices also |
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| 22:36.04 | penguinbait | :) |
| 22:36.12 | alterego | I couldn't get usb mass storage to work. |
| 22:36.14 | alterego | How did you? |
| 22:36.35 | penguinbait | I just do an echo, and its working |
| 22:36.42 | penguinbait | 2008OS |
| 22:36.49 | penguinbait | N |
| 22:36.57 | alterego | Damn |
| 22:37.12 | penguinbait | Nokia usb cable with a Female A to Female A adapter |
| 22:37.21 | alterego | It worked when I plugged it into my Camera, but not when I plugged it into my card readers. |
| 22:37.29 | alterego | penguinbait, yeah. I've got the same setup .. |
| 22:37.32 | penguinbait | thumb drive was powerer by n800 |
| 22:38.03 | penguinbait | usb hard disk needed extra power |
| 22:38.16 | alterego | Well, the lights came on. But the N800 complained about not being able to handle the device. "unrecognised" or something. |
| 22:38.18 | penguinbait | CDROM/DVD was 110V |
| 22:38.26 | alterego | 110V?! |
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| 22:38.38 | alterego | Mine's only 5v .. |
| 22:38.38 | penguinbait | It will say unrecognized, but it mounts it |
| 22:38.48 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 22:38.52 | alterego | I'll have another go in a minute. |
| 22:39.06 | penguinbait | it was powered by the wall, not the n800 |
| 22:39.17 | alterego | Obviously. |
| 22:39.33 | alterego | 110V for a CDROM .. I think you're wrong :P |
| 22:39.42 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491 |
| 22:39.47 | penguinbait | theres the cdrom deb |
| 22:39.54 | acydlord | he was referring to wall current instead of host powered |
| 22:40.03 | lardman | things are getting better, I mistranslated a !boundary into cmp64_int(boundary,0)!=0 |
| 22:40.04 | penguinbait | it will autoload the modules on install, and on future boots |
| 22:40.06 | alterego | voltage .. Not current. |
| 22:40.29 | alterego | Didn't want to put it into hal? |
| 22:40.58 | alterego | hal ? |
| 22:41.01 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 22:41.04 | penguinbait | ? |
| 22:41.12 | alterego | Maybe I'm thinking of udev. |
| 22:41.41 | alterego | modprobe probably. |
| 22:41.46 | alterego | Damnit .. |
| 22:41.50 | penguinbait | what controls the automount of devices |
| 22:42.07 | penguinbait | there is no automounter that I can find |
| 22:42.08 | alterego | Well, udev _can_ do it. |
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| 22:42.11 | alterego | I'd have to check. |
| 22:42.14 | penguinbait | nothing in fstab |
| 22:43.02 | TimRiker | x11vnc does not see the video frames. is there a vnc server that does? ie: is fbvncserver or similar available for the n800/os2007? |
| 22:43.30 | TimRiker | any other options to remotely see a video call? (yes, I know that performance will suck, this is for a demo nothing more) |
| 22:43.40 | alterego | Or hotplug .. |
| 22:44.37 | TimRiker | can I start the complete front end on a remote X server? what about the video call application? will it then push video over X instead of direct to the local fram buffer as it appears to be doing? |
| 22:47.04 | alterego | TimRiker, not likely. |
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| 22:47.33 | alterego | They probably should have added the alarm clock feature to the internet readio .. |
| 22:47.37 | alterego | ~radio .. |
| 22:48.11 | penguinbait | does n810 have fm radio, or only transmitter? |
| 22:48.17 | alterego | Neither |
| 22:48.29 | penguinbait | it has FM transmitter |
| 22:48.31 | penguinbait | right? |
| 22:48.32 | TimRiker | is there a full emulated tablet interface in the sdk that can place video calls? |
| 22:48.33 | alterego | No it doesn't. |
| 22:48.42 | alterego | The FM transmitter is an accessory .. |
| 22:48.51 | TimRiker | the nokia internet call invitation beta is over, so can't go that route. |
| 22:49.10 | alterego | TimRiker, no. |
| 22:49.30 | penguinbait | I thought it was built in, bummer |
| 22:49.30 | alterego | Well, there's a slim possibility you can use the rootfs from a real device in the SDK .. |
| 22:52.13 | alterego | Cool, you can make a double click on the power button do something. |
| 22:53.49 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 22:54.41 | TimRiker | alterego: I thought the sdk ran x86 versions? the real device would be arm packages. |
| 22:55.01 | alterego | TimRiker, how do you think the SDK is able to compile for arm then? |
| 22:55.18 | TimRiker | compile for, yes. run, no. |
| 22:55.33 | TimRiker | at least that's what I understood. |
| 22:55.35 | alterego | Do you think I would have recommended it if it wasn't possible? |
| 22:56.03 | alterego | Obviously your understanding comes from zero use .. |
| 22:56.07 | TimRiker | well I thought that's what you meant by "slim possibility" |
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| 22:56.27 | alterego | No, "slim possibility" meant. You can try it, but qemu isn't perfect .. |
| 22:56.44 | TimRiker | I've cross compiled apps for the n800, but they are all at the system level and using my own cross compile tools. never messed with the actual sdk. |
| 22:57.06 | alterego | Your loss then :P |
| 22:57.51 | TimRiker | I would not expect normal qemu to expose v4l or other video devices through the emulator, but I've never checked either. :) |
| 22:58.13 | alterego | Good point .. |
| 22:58.20 | alterego | I guess you can't do it then. |
| 22:58.27 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:58.55 | lopz | re |
| 22:58.56 | alterego | What's NJoy me wonders .. |
| 22:59.15 | alterego | "NJoy Controller" .. |
| 22:59.38 | alterego | czr, you dead yet? |
| 22:59.40 | pupnik | TimRiker: just run your x server without xv extension, and vnc should see the drawn video |
| 22:59.54 | pupnik | afaik or configure the app to use plain old x11 rendering |
| 22:59.54 | czr | alterego, nope |
| 23:00.03 | alterego | czr, have you heard of this "NJoy Controller"? |
| 23:00.06 | czr | unfortunately to you all, I'm very much alive :-) |
| 23:00.21 | alterego | It looks like some kind of game controller with flashing lights. |
| 23:00.23 | czr | alterego, sounds like some stupid marketing typo :-). what is it supposed to do/be? |
| 23:00.27 | alterego | No reference to it on the internet though .. |
| 23:00.35 | czr | then it doesn't exist |
| 23:00.40 | czr | internet knows all. |
| 23:00.45 | alterego | Interesting .. |
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| 23:00.57 | alterego | I wonder if this is something Nokia are working on. A gamepad for the NSeries .. |
| 23:01.11 | czr | mayeb related to the ngage-emulator/thingy whatever on the new Nseries |
| 23:01.42 | alterego | Oh, actually. |
| 23:01.47 | alterego | This is for a future device. |
| 23:01.49 | alterego | My mistake. |
| 23:02.06 | alterego | Looks like they're going to have red green and blue LEDs in the next tablet. |
| 23:02.10 | alterego | Or a future tablet .. |
| 23:02.28 | czr | hmm. n810 has dual color at least |
| 23:02.36 | czr | never seen it red. but green, blue and white so far. |
| 23:03.25 | alterego | Ah, that's probably it then :) |
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| 23:03.50 | alterego | You can configure how the lights play when things happen. |
| 23:04.26 | alterego | Wow, you can even change the intensity. |
| 23:04.45 | fysa | for the 810? |
| 23:04.50 | alterego | Yup |
| 23:04.51 | fysa | is there intensity on the 800 LED? |
| 23:04.55 | alterego | Yup |
| 23:05.22 | fysa | would be nice to have the number of unread mails/IMs/missed calls raise the intensity of the LED |
| 23:05.39 | alterego | That's unfortunately not possible. |
| 23:05.47 | alterego | You can customise it for different things though. |
| 23:06.01 | fysa | Modest couldn't implement something like that? |
| 23:06.05 | alterego | Say IM is low, email is mid, and incomming call is high |
| 23:06.11 | fysa | ah |
| 23:06.36 | alterego | Well, I don't know if it's possible to drive the LED's directly. It should be but I don't know how yet :) |
| 23:07.00 | fysa | I do wish the 800 had a camera mounted like the 810 does though. That would make for some cool interactivity with the 'motion' application. |
| 23:07.10 | alterego | Oh, here's a hint. |
| 23:07.34 | alterego | I just found out. That if the device is locked, opening the camera disables the screen/key lock and starts the call app regardless .. |
| 23:07.42 | alterego | (dumb configuration choice IMO) |
| 23:07.55 | fysa | My HTPC uses a webcam to detect if I'm sitting on the couch.. and if it senses me on the couch and not on my computer when an email or private IM hits me during business hours, it speaks the contents of the IM or email on the surround sound system. |
| 23:08.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:08.21 | shackan | argh, terrible :D |
| 23:08.39 | fysa | work from home, sometimes you need creative ways to get yourself to 'work' |
| 23:08.42 | fysa | ;) |
| 23:09.01 | fysa | of course, just imagine the hours I wasted scripting all of that when I should have been working. |
| 23:09.06 | alterego | Right, well. It looks like automounting is handled by gnome-vfs. |
| 23:09.14 | alterego | I can't find anything else that is likely to take responsibility. |
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| 23:09.21 | fysa | the same gnome-vfs that is completely sucking our memory away? |
| 23:09.48 | alterego | Pfft. |
| 23:10.02 | alterego | The only problem I have, is the slow starting times of microb .. |
| 23:10.04 | fysa | maybe it was a bug or something was crashed, but I thought I saw it using 20MB+ |
| 23:10.10 | alterego | And the constant hanging :) |
| 23:10.22 | gpd | web browser keeps crashing on OS2008 on N800 - is this well known? |
| 23:10.24 | alterego | fysa, I think that's the meta crawler. |
| 23:10.26 | fysa | microb is so much improved with the render delay fixed. |
| 23:10.43 | alterego | It doesn't crash for me. It just hangs every now-and-again. |
| 23:10.50 | K`zan | What is the equivalent of a ctl-alt-del on the n800 - not that I need it, but would be nice to know anyway?!? |
| 23:11.03 | gpd | no - mine 'goes away' every time i open a url |
| 23:11.20 | fysa | alterego, can you test this config option and see how it affects you? |
| 23:11.58 | fysa | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay |
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| 23:12.06 | fysa | try setting this to 400 - 1200 |
| 23:12.10 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m34c22922 - callback function to read data, the function reads the data and prints out a message to tell me, but it doesn't return that value to the _get_data() fn. Any ideas? |
| 23:12.17 | fysa | the default about:config sets it to -3 for some reason |
| 23:12.18 | alterego | fysa, what does it do? |
| 23:12.24 | fysa | which I'm thinking forces it to 0, which is real-time updates |
| 23:12.31 | alterego | Ah |
| 23:12.43 | fysa | it's the delay between receiving data before the browser attempts to render the screen |
| 23:12.59 | fysa | if it's 0, you render in real-time as everything comes down the pipe |
| 23:13.21 | fysa | which basically causes delay in processing the data because now you're spending this energy drawing something that isn't really viewable yet anyway. |
| 23:13.22 | skibur_ | I just bought a IGO Slim keyboard |
| 23:13.26 | fysa | the default is 250ms now |
| 23:13.27 | skibur_ | how do I pair it? |
| 23:13.34 | fysa | but for some reason it's -3 in OS2008 |
| 23:13.40 | fysa | (default in standard firefox) |
| 23:13.56 | fysa | I raised mine to 600ms and I'm 99% positive that pages load considerably faster |
| 23:14.11 | fysa | they don't pop right away, but they don't sit there and load one word at a time anymore. |
| 23:14.23 | fysa | i.e., the time from loading start to the page being usable seems much improved |
| 23:14.59 | fysa | if you read the related bugs attached to that article you'll see various experiences related to different values |
| 23:15.04 | alterego | fysa, Do I just enter '600' into the value field? |
| 23:15.06 | alterego | Is it ms? |
| 23:15.08 | fysa | yeah |
| 23:15.09 | fysa | ms |
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| 23:15.11 | fysa | just 600 |
| 23:15.17 | fysa | or higher if you like. 3000 was way too high. |
| 23:15.25 | fysa | I've only tried 3000 and 600 so far. |
| 23:15.36 | alterego | That's like 3 seconds :P |
| 23:15.38 | fysa | pages with flash aren't as painful anymore |
| 23:15.46 | alterego | I'd keep it below 1000 to be honest ;) |
| 23:15.59 | fysa | yeah, wanted to test the extreme to see how long it would take to load a complete page given no rendering |
| 23:16.07 | fysa | and make sure the option actually worked |
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| 23:16.33 | fysa | I believe that real-time/0ms delay would cause HTML rendering to be completely bogged down by flash downloading/display also |
| 23:16.46 | fysa | with a high enough delay, you should be able to pull most of the HTML down before you're hit with the CPU burden of flash |
| 23:17.06 | alterego | Coo. |
| 23:17.13 | alterego | I'll play around with it a bit. |
| 23:17.47 | fysa | there could be another delay relating to DNS lookup or some such also. it seems that every now and then it takes nearly 2 seconds before microb will even 'hit' a remote server |
| 23:18.12 | alterego | Yeah, that's annoying too .. |
| 23:18.29 | fysa | I've setup a squid server with adzapper (filters out flash ads), but microb doesn't like to keep proxy settings so I've not tested it for long periods of time |
| 23:19.12 | skibur_ | anybody have their IGO stowaway keyboard paired with N800 - OS2008? |
| 23:19.16 | fysa | I can imagine that this could help considerably -- reduce the delay from your network out for popular pages (mostly google apps) and the latency of WAN ACKs won't hurt as bad |
| 23:20.25 | fysa | but that's still a hack that is only helpful for using the web around the house. |
| 23:22.17 | fysa | you can try enabling pipelining or increasing the maximum number of concurrent connections under network.* |
| 23:22.55 | fysa | pipelining I believe lets you receive multiple pieces of data from a server on a single connection, reducing TCP overhead |
| 23:24.32 | czr | connection keep-alive? |
| 23:24.49 | fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining |
| 23:24.52 | alterego | I'd like global compression .. |
| 23:25.01 | alterego | I was thinking of doing that through an SSH tunnel. |
| 23:25.35 | fysa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.29 | db48x | that adds latency |
| 23:26.45 | czr | fysa, ah. thanks for the link. not the same as keep-alives. |
| 23:26.47 | fysa | it caches |
| 23:26.52 | fysa | so it may ad latency the first time around |
| 23:26.57 | fysa | .. add |
| 23:27.11 | fysa | http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:27.38 | fysa | but it could be a big help on pages with lots of JS/ajax/staticy content |
| 23:28.11 | fysa | does privoxy remove flash ads? |
| 23:30.38 | pupnik | i want a browser that lets me click on flash boxes to enable them |
| 23:31.05 | inz | I want a browser that doesn't have flash boxes... |
| 23:31.09 | inz | ...oh wait, I have one |
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| 23:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | skibur_: the bluetooth keyboard in control panel is what you want. |
| 23:32.15 | skibur_ | got it working |
| 23:32.17 | skibur_ | thanks |
| 23:32.37 | czr | no flash boxes in that one. |
| 23:32.44 | czr | and she's only browsing. |
| 23:43.03 | alterego | Well, my card reader doesn't get mounted,. |
| 23:43.16 | alterego | It just keeps flashing up the message "USB device not supported" |
| 23:43.21 | alterego | Continually every second or so. |
| 23:45.59 | Vulcanis | Maybe it can't read the card you put in it? |
| 23:46.29 | b0unc3 | I've added a new news on my project, but it is not shown on the garage homepage. why? |
| 23:48.30 | alterego | Okay, it does work .. |
| 23:48.35 | alterego | Insuficient power ^_^ |
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| 23:51.24 | alterego | Nice .. Super storage ^_^ |
| 23:51.35 | pupnik | with external battery? |
| 23:51.49 | alterego | PSU in a powerable mini hub |
| 23:52.04 | pupnik | and host mode for usb port? |
| 23:52.10 | alterego | Yup |
| 23:52.27 | alterego | Piss easy to enable. `echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode` |
| 23:53.04 | K`zan | But how does one set it back short of a "shutdown -r now" ? |
| 23:53.05 | alterego | The OS even handles it pretty well. |
| 23:53.13 | alterego | O_o |
| 23:53.16 | alterego | What? |
| 23:53.30 | alterego | After a timeout of inactivity. And no USB connection. It'll go back into it's idle state. |
| 23:54.14 | lardman | altergo: echo "client" or similar? |
| 23:54.23 | lardman | aargh, I can't type! |
| 23:54.26 | K`zan | alterego: Didn't here :-( |
| 23:54.35 | alterego | Sure, you can force it with: "peripheral" instead of "host |
| 23:54.45 | alterego | Or force it into idle with "b_idle" |
| 23:55.07 | K`zan | Cool, thanks! |
| 23:55.21 | alterego | 3 bloody days. |
| 23:55.27 | K`zan | Now if it just supported my eithernet dongle or the serial converter :). |
| 23:55.31 | alterego | Though only 20 minutes of time spent getting that to work ^_^ |
| 23:55.48 | lardman | isn't that always the way?! |
| 23:55.52 | alterego | K`zan, if linux supports it and you've got the SDK installed. Compiling the module is easy. |
| 23:56.19 | lardman | spend bloody ages doing something then realise it could have been done far more easily (if you'd had that knowledge already) |
| 23:56.32 | alterego | Oh, I've not learned anything. |
| 23:56.38 | alterego | Well, except the 'b_idle' thing |
| 23:56.54 | alterego | No, I've just had some dumb moments of not reading dmesg properly. |
| 23:57.04 | K`zan | alterego: Got the url for that, just need to get to it :). |
| 23:57.08 | alterego | I was blind to the one error message that was stopping my card readers from working .. |
| 23:57.12 | lardman | well that's learning isn't it, in a way |
| 23:57.13 | alterego | "insufficient power" ^_^ |
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| 23:57.33 | lardman | anyway, time for bed, see you chaps tomorrow |
| 23:57.55 | K`zan | alterego: It did drive my SD card reader nicely though, I thought the n800 had no power supply to USB :). |
| 23:58.07 | alterego | 3.3v 200ma |
| 23:58.17 | alterego | Obviously my card readers are greedy .. |
| 23:58.52 | k-s | disq: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/lms/ |
| 23:59.08 | k-s | disq: just committed, would you care to take a look |
| 23:59.09 | k-s | ? |
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| 23:59.29 | alterego | Tomorrow I'll be aquiring a small USB keyboard :) |
| 23:59.37 | fierce | Hi all :) New n800 owner here |
| 23:59.41 | fierce | just arrived in the mail |
| 23:59.47 | alterego | And an ethernet dongle .. |
| 23:59.51 | alterego | fierce, cool :) |
| 23:59.55 | alterego | They're neat aren't they :) |
| 23:59.55 | fierce | quickest & easiest way to get irssi onto this would be? :) |
| 23:59.58 | fierce | oh yeah |
