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| 00:01.14 | derf | Great, I'm running into dependency problems in a fresh chinook install. |
| 00:01.58 | halley | Like what? |
| 00:02.18 | derf | Oh, no, maybe these are just permissions problems. |
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| 00:03.00 | derf | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chgrp: changing group of `/usr/share/certs/certman.cst': Operation not permitted |
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| 00:04.41 | derf | Unfortunately it doesn't tell me what it wants to change the group _to_, or I could just do it myself. |
| 00:04.54 | derf | But I can't see how it could possibly work on its own. |
| 00:21.22 | derf | Oh, good, it was trying to change its group to the group it already has. |
| 00:23.21 | blithe | Fwah, I'm never ordering from buy.com again. |
| 00:23.45 | blithe | At this rate, I wont even get the n800 before Christmas. |
| 00:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | buy.com has been very good to me in the past. |
| 00:25.25 | derf | Yeah, gconf-schemas --register will not run in any of these scripts, either, since it insists on being root. |
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| 00:26.46 | blithe | There's not even a phone number on their website you can call if you have problems. |
| 00:26.59 | blithe | It's all email based, and inefficient email at that. |
| 00:27.19 | derf | blithe: Welcome to the 21st Century. |
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| 00:40.08 | Acglaphotis | Hey, it's there a way to speed up gba emulation on the n800? FF:TA runs really slow |
| 00:41.43 | halley | Acglaphotis, er, I don't think folks usually overclock their itty-bitty-non-gaming ARM hardware. |
| 00:42.26 | halley | GBA has tons of hardware graphics acceleration to get things done; the fact that something works at all in emulation is impressive. |
| 00:43.41 | elb | the real point is, if there was a way to do it, surely the emulator would do it |
| 00:44.17 | Acglaphotis | halley: well, then, will it go faster if i upgrade to the OS 2008? it overclocks the processor at 400mhz |
| 00:44.33 | elb | it does not overclock, it clocks |
| 00:45.05 | elb | and, many people report that it generally speeds things up, which is probably partly clocking and partly efficiency improvements |
| 00:45.30 | halley | I didn't think the OS sets the clock rate, but I guess that's common enough on other ARM platforms. |
| 00:45.51 | elb | it's common on all platforms, nowadays |
| 00:46.32 | elb | OS2007 basically used a throttled speed as its "full speed" |
| 00:46.42 | elb | for, to my understanding, power consumption reasons |
| 00:47.43 | Acglaphotis | elb: so it would drain my battery faster? |
| 00:47.49 | sp3000 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/30984#30984 explains |
| 00:48.17 | elb | Acglaphotis: no, it purportedly makes your battery last *longer*, by using more intelligent throttling |
| 00:49.58 | Acglaphotis | elb: ok |
| 00:51.58 | Acglaphotis | elb: what about SNES? are there any emulators for it? |
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| 00:52.55 | elb | I have no idea |
| 00:53.12 | Acglaphotis | ok |
| 00:53.35 | Acglaphotis | thanks for the help |
| 00:54.04 | Acglaphotis | i think i'll be upgrading to the os 2008, bye! |
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| 01:12.13 | derf | halley: Well, intltool is giving me configure problems, and I have no idea how to fix it. |
| 01:12.23 | halley | Erg. :/ |
| 01:12.37 | halley | elb, got your OS2008 sdk installed yet? |
| 01:12.45 | elb | sure do |
| 01:13.05 | halley | derf is kindly looking at his gjiten install which the OS2008 doesn't like, |
| 01:13.07 | derf | As in, it generates its own intltool-merge.in file, then fails to replace @INTLTOOL_LIBDIR@ in it when it generates intltool-merge, which then makes intltool-merge fall over when it gets run. |
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| 01:13.45 | halley | elb, the maemocjk guy got an install alpha running, works pretty nicely. |
| 01:13.52 | derf | None of this is my code, and I really only have the vaguest notions how autofoo is supposed to work, because it is a steaming pile of crap that I avoid at all costs. |
| 01:13.54 | elb | yeah, I hope to get Russian and cjk working |
| 01:14.29 | halley | derf, understood-- just a priority for us japanophiles ;) |
| 01:14.45 | elb | I am encouraged that the FBReader guy seems to be a Cyrillic user |
| 01:14.45 | derf | Yeah, well, I'm open to suggestions. |
| 01:14.46 | halley | I need to see how the sdk works on osx. |
| 01:15.00 | derf | I've asked the only two people I know with a clue how automake works, and they've got nothing. |
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| 01:52.21 | joshin | Ok, who broke maemo.org: "memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211." |
| 01:54.50 | halley | Just refresh, the server sucks. |
| 01:58.26 | zerojay | Honestly, the whole Midgard thing is just a failure. I wish they had used pretty much anything else. |
| 01:58.43 | Vulcanis | Midgard? |
| 01:58.49 | zerojay | Yes, Midgard. |
| 01:58.58 | Vulcanis | Yeah, what is that, though |
| 01:59.11 | zerojay | Google it. |
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| 02:05.59 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, file a bug. :P |
| 02:06.25 | zerojay | Heh.. no reason to do so. |
| 02:07.39 | pupnik | "The road to hell is paved with works-in-progress." |
| 02:07.40 | pupnik | - Philip Roth |
| 02:08.00 | zerojay | Midgard isn't a work-in-progress. |
| 02:08.04 | zerojay | It's an abortion. |
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| 02:10.32 | elb | CMS is a synonym for abortion |
| 02:11.06 | zerojay | Pretty much. |
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| 02:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | 'night, gents. |
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| 02:55.16 | truent_ | lol anyone have a project on garage.maemo.org? |
| 02:55.25 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 02:55.37 | zerojay | Don't know why that's funny though. |
| 02:55.42 | truent_ | here's why.. |
| 02:56.13 | truent_ | i created a project today, only myself as a member so far.. admin status.. welp i changed it to senior developer.. now im no longer admin |
| 02:56.16 | truent_ | can i change it back? |
| 02:56.18 | truent_ | hah |
| 02:56.27 | sp3000 | heh |
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| 03:14.47 | |R | truent_ : haha you tried what i didn't dare do :P |
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| 03:33.41 | Vulcanis | The resolution of the n800 is 800x480, right? |
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| 03:34.19 | astro76 | Vulcanis, indeed |
| 03:34.27 | Vulcanis | Thanks. |
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| 03:50.10 | roue | hola |
| 03:51.12 | roue | I've got an n800 running OS2008. I've tried two different SDHC cards in the internal slot, and they work, but occasionally they'll stop being recognized or the device will say they've "become corrupted". If I reseat them, all is well again. Am I just not inserting them correctly? Is this a common problem? Thanks. |
| 03:58.03 | Vulcanis | [22:51:15] <roue> I've got an n800 running OS2008. I've tried two different SDHC cards in the internal slot, and they work, but occasionally they'll stop being recognized or the device will say they've "become corrupted". If I reseat them, all is well again. Am I just not inserting them correctly? Is this a common problem? Thanks. -- make sure the "door" on the slot is closed all the wa |
| 03:58.03 | Vulcanis | y |
| 03:58.47 | roue | Vulcanis - I'm pretty sure it is. Unless you mean something by "door" other than the back cover. |
| 03:59.42 | Vulcanis | I meant the other slot, but I re-read and saw both |
| 04:01.27 | roue | if I open and close the back it usually comes back. |
| 04:01.49 | roue | I'm seeing a thread on internettablettalk that sounds just like this problem. Maybe it's an issue with the beta OS2008. |
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| 04:04.20 | roue | hola thoughtfix |
| 04:04.26 | thoughtfix | Evening |
| 04:05.21 | roue | ever hear anything about n800's losing the internal sdhc mount under the OS2008 beta? Mine is dropping out periodically (enough to notice). opening and closing the back seems to resolve it. |
| 04:05.50 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 04:06.00 | thoughtfix | I have a Sandisk Type 6 4GB SDHC card and never had a problem |
| 04:06.43 | roue | I've tried a kingston 8g and a pny 4g. both have exhibited the same issue. |
| 04:07.11 | roue | I've only had the tablet for about two weeks, so if it's a hw issue I've still got some time to exchange it. |
| 04:07.40 | thoughtfix | What's the symptom? |
| 04:07.54 | thoughtfix | i.e. how does it manifest itself and what do you see? |
| 04:08.47 | roue | when I go to the file manager it will either not show the internal card or it will show it and trying to access a file reports that it's corrupt. if I open the back it will often come back. Otherwise I have to reseat the internal card. |
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| 04:09.52 | thoughtfix | Stupid question but are your contacts clean? |
| 04:10.07 | Vulcanis | Is there a way to make sudo apt-get install to install to an mmc? |
| 04:10.23 | Vulcanis | Roue: Try checking on another reader. |
| 04:10.27 | roue | It's a brand new unit. They should be clean. I haven't looked at them closely. What would you clean them with? |
| 04:10.51 | Vulcanis | by clean, he means the files are not corrupt |
| 04:10.58 | Vulcanis | Wait |
| 04:11.03 | Vulcanis | I read contacts as contents |
| 04:11.11 | astro76 | Vulcanis, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ |
| 04:11.16 | derf | Okay, the problem appears to be that there are two copies of intltool.m4 in scratchbox, and one of them is old. |
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| 04:12.24 | roue | I've just looked. Both the metal contacts on the card and the pins in the N800 appear to be clean. The cards are both new. Used only in the N800 so far. |
| 04:12.57 | Vulcanis | Astro: Theres no other way? |
| 04:13.43 | astro76 | dunno, probably some way with symlinks |
| 04:15.41 | [pablo]_ | is anyone else annoyed with the n810 stylus? On full size pages most links are hard to click on accurately, and it being such a blunt end, it sometimes thinks I am clicking and moving when it doesn't move at all, very annoying in google reader with the new drag and drop feature |
| 04:16.13 | halley | [pablo]_, do the calibration |
| 04:16.58 | halley | I hold the stylus parallel to a row of small text, not perpendicular, too. |
| 04:17.16 | [pablo]_ | i've tried that many times |
| 04:17.31 | [pablo]_ | and I tend to do the same, it seems to work better when I hold it stright up though |
| 04:17.55 | halley | I haven't found it any different from any other tap interface in the past dozen years. |
| 04:18.50 | [pablo]_ | well, me and my friend were playing with each others toys today and I grabbed the stylus from his treo and i didn't notice those same problems |
| 04:21.16 | Vulcanis | calibrate again. |
| 04:32.57 | derf | halley: http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/gjiten/ |
| 04:35.59 | truls | yay, gjiten |
| 04:38.03 | Vulcanis | Oh sweet, maemo.org is down again. |
| 04:38.27 | Vulcanis | They need to not be running it off a 770 in the basement. |
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| 04:39.42 | truls | they need to move the 770 to another room? |
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| 04:41.29 | Vulcanis | One that has better wifi, yes. |
| 04:43.17 | ds3 | basement? thought they run it in the vault ;) |
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| 04:44.11 | Vulcanis | Vault would be too expensive for nokia |
| 04:44.24 | Vulcanis | If it were in a vault, they would atleast use a low-end dell. |
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| 04:48.40 | Vulcanis | apparently, even when maemo is up, the build-essential repo is down. |
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| 04:52.15 | milhouse | and we're off to the races with the big fight - come on Hatton!! :) |
| 04:53.38 | milhouse | Mayweather is rocking already!! |
| 05:07.32 | halley | derf, so you figured out the .m4 problem? |
| 05:13.09 | halley | Pardon the noob question, but the dics .deb is 2.9MB but the dics .tar.gz is 42MB? |
| 05:13.33 | Vulcanis | Pretty sure the .deb downloads part of it? |
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| 05:16.54 | halley | Setting up gjiten-dics (20070225) ... |
| 05:16.54 | halley | gjiten_setdic: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:22.49 | halley | Also: |
| 05:22.50 | halley | sh: missing ]] |
| 05:22.51 | halley | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gjiten-dics.prerm: line 16: /usr/share/gjiten/dics/kanjidic: Permission denied |
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| 05:25.39 | milhouse | not looking good for ricky now :( |
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| 05:26.10 | halley | Purging configuration files for gjiten ... |
| 05:26.10 | halley | rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' |
| 05:28.23 | milhouse | bollox |
| 05:28.38 | milhouse | mayweather class boxer, trash person ho hum |
| 05:28.49 | milhouse | hatton ko'd in round 10 |
| 05:32.30 | halley | Will check back in tomorrow. |
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| 05:50.17 | |R | Anyone here from europe with a discount code? |
| 05:50.27 | |R | (uhm, a bit early for europe maybe ;) |
| 05:51.38 | milhouse | aye... london calling. |
| 05:52.17 | |R | hehe you're in london? :) |
| 05:52.31 | milhouse | i am |
| 05:53.07 | |R | So no late sunday bed time ;) |
| 05:53.48 | |R | Any idea if the nokia uk shop will ask for the credit card to match the address of the buyer & if it can ship to france ? |
| 05:54.10 | milhouse | just been watching the boxing |
| 05:54.31 | milhouse | i doubt the uk shop will ship to france - you'll probably have to order from the french nokia shop |
| 05:55.02 | milhouse | it seems that each nokia shop requires credit cards registered in the country for each shop |
| 05:55.16 | zpol | re |
| 05:55.18 | |R | apparently the european code can change country, i chose france as i have relatives there, and now i figured, french only have channel 10-13 on wifi (And the azerty keyboard but that's less of an issue) |
| 05:55.29 | |R | So i'm trying to figure out something :/ |
| 05:55.49 | milhouse | uk is 1-13 also |
| 05:56.10 | milhouse | in fact i doubt the number of wifi channels is a hardware issue |
| 05:56.11 | |R | all of europe is from what i can see except for france and spain which have (had?) stupid restrictions because of military use |
| 05:56.18 | milhouse | keyboard would be a problem though |
| 05:56.20 | |R | nah it's probably a firmware one |
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| 05:56.59 | |R | but i don't see nokia providing unlocking firmwares :) |
| 05:57.56 | |R | my best bet might be to just sell my discount code for the full price of the device and buy it back here... |
| 05:58.04 | |R | (I'm actually in canada...) |
| 05:58.20 | |R | stupid me for not choosing US :/ |
| 05:58.26 | milhouse | i'm fairly sure the wifi channels are determined by language/region or something similar - there is after all one firmware for use globally |
| 05:58.43 | |R | so if i choose japanese i get 1-14 ? :) |
| 05:58.53 | |R | (there is no support for that but heheh ;) |
| 05:59.12 | milhouse | in theory - but as it's not a supported region probably not :) |
| 05:59.17 | milhouse | maybe a gconf setting? |
| 05:59.25 | |R | haha maybe |
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| 05:59.41 | milhouse | my device in uk scans up to channel 13 |
| 05:59.57 | |R | Canada is 1-11 so i'd gain 2 more :) |
| 06:00.13 | milhouse | but people in other regions scan only 1-11/12 (US?) - same firmware/software though |
| 06:00.20 | |R | but at this point i really just want to have it ... |
| 06:00.45 | milhouse | do you want an AZERTY keyboard? |
| 06:00.51 | |R | i'd rather not |
| 06:00.56 | milhouse | understandable :) |
| 06:01.10 | |R | I'm french canadian but we use a french qwerty variant :) |
| 06:01.40 | milhouse | i wonder if snap-in keyboard templates would have been possible... |
| 06:02.08 | |R | but the problem is that if i'm stuck with a french device and that the wi-fi law is till in place there and that i use it here... i get 1-11 intersected with 10-13 ... so only channel 10-11 and only at 10mW from what i gathered on channels in europe from 10 to 13 |
| 06:02.28 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.03 | milhouse | i think the only difference between a french unit and a canadian unit will be the keyboard - all other hardware (inc wifi) will be identical, as will the software |
| 06:03.12 | |R | maybe in the future they can use the GPS to enable wi-fi channels ;) |
| 06:03.44 | milhouse | then we won't be able to lie :) |
| 06:03.56 | |R | we'll have pocket GPS signal generators haha ;) |
| 06:04.10 | milhouse | trouble is i'm not really sure what determines how many channels you get - i'm guessing language and/or region |
| 06:04.28 | |R | yeah me neither... and nobody seems to be even aware of this issue |
| 06:07.27 | astro76 | hmm, or why not enable them all since it's not setup as AP mode |
| 06:07.37 | astro76 | no reason you shouldn't be able to travel worldwide with these devices |
| 06:07.47 | |R | i know :/ |
| 06:07.51 | |R | only APs should be restricted |
| 06:08.03 | astro76 | I just verified, I can't see channel 14 on a US n800 |
| 06:08.07 | |R | though i guess scanning for hidden AP might be an issue |
| 06:08.26 | |R | astro76 : same goes for 12 and 13 ? |
| 06:08.36 | astro76 | lemme check |
| 06:08.54 | |R | 14 is really japan specific |
| 06:09.20 | db48x | I don't know if a device can get fcc certification (or analogous certification for other countries) if they emit outside the set frequency bands |
| 06:09.41 | db48x | doing that limitation in software is great, but it has to be there |
| 06:10.15 | astro76 | at least it could be changed easily |
| 06:10.26 | astro76 | |R, 12-14 all nothing |
| 06:10.36 | |R | ok |
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| 06:12.36 | |R | might be a lot simpler than getting someone to use their CC, send them money to pay for the 99E than some more for the shipping than wait twice for shipping... |
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| 06:15.23 | |R | it's crazy, 499E in France, that's 736 CAD $! it's 250$ more than the local price |
| 06:16.35 | astro76 | I've heard the Euro is doing well |
| 06:21.31 | Vulcanis | |R: Its 250$ US. |
| 06:21.38 | Vulcanis | Wait |
| 06:21.45 | Vulcanis | Nevermind. |
| 06:22.43 | |R | what? :) |
| 06:23.56 | Vulcanis | I'm tired beyond thought. |
| 06:24.02 | |R | hehe :) |
| 06:26.13 | Vulcanis | I don't sleep well normally. Tonight is bad because I am wide awake, but extremely fatigued mentally. |
| 06:26.28 | milhouse | 99 EUR is 145 USD or 72 GBP - such a shame Nokia didn't offer it for 99 USD :) |
| 06:26.48 | |R | indeed ;) |
| 06:28.10 | |R | if someone wants a dev code for 350E i'd let it go i guess... |
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| 06:31.13 | zpol | bye |
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| 06:41.58 | keesj | where is libreadline4-dev to be found? |
| 06:42.55 | keesj | and why isn't it installed in sbox! |
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| 06:56.06 | K`zan | Sigh, I think I need to reset my USB, I think setting it to host mode keeps it from mounting as a mass storage device on the PC now. What to do? |
| 06:58.38 | zoran | K`zan, how did you get host usb mode? |
| 06:58.38 | K`zan | cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 06:58.59 | K`zan | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 06:59.00 | zoran | by the hand? |
| 06:59.03 | K`zan | Yes |
| 06:59.14 | zoran | it should work |
| 06:59.22 | zoran | what if you reboot? |
| 06:59.39 | K`zan | Thought I had blown it up, but the SD card reader works in it, but the PC sees nothing. |
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| 07:00.11 | zoran | changed something on memory card fs? |
| 07:00.13 | K`zan | reboot == hold down power key until it shuts down and then restart it again - if so did that. |
| 07:00.24 | zoran | or shutdown -r now |
| 07:00.30 | zoran | ah, k |
| 07:00.33 | K`zan | Let me try that |
| 07:00.42 | K`zan | Thanks for the help here, appreciate it. |
| 07:00.45 | zoran | should be the same |
| 07:01.09 | K`zan | Unplugged the USB cable too... |
| 07:01.30 | zoran | default was "user"? |
| 07:01.35 | K`zan | Restarting now, this time with the green text on the screen. |
| 07:01.41 | K`zan | No Sir, IIRC I was root |
| 07:01.49 | zoran | hm? |
| 07:02.02 | K`zan | OK, back up, lemme see what happens when I plug in the usb cable. |
| 07:02.53 | K`zan | Yes, whew, working now. Thank you VERY much. |
| 07:02.59 | zoran | :) |
| 07:03.07 | K`zan | I was afraid that I had done something to it with the USB power injector :-). |
| 07:03.25 | zoran | the ral fun is to try |
| 07:03.29 | zoran | *real |
| 07:03.58 | K`zan | Yes, but if I blow this up, I would be VERY unhappy. |
| 07:04.13 | K`zan | Power injector works, just nothing I have is supported. |
| 07:04.16 | zoran | is it triple cable, used for usb hdd |
| 07:04.31 | K`zan | I made my own :-). |
| 07:04.48 | zoran | I have one when I bought external disk |
| 07:04.55 | zoran | never tried, must to say |
| 07:05.06 | zoran | but usb hub should be powered on |
| 07:05.19 | zoran | to give power to external devices |
| 07:05.37 | K`zan | http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI-2.pdf |
| 07:05.46 | keesj | perhaps using a hub is a safe choice |
| 07:05.54 | zoran | ah, must to go to graphics :( |
| 07:05.58 | K`zan | I was wondering if a USB hub might be the smarter way to go. |
| 07:06.13 | zoran | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 07:06.16 | K`zan | just a pdf, png and jpg outputs from gschem are ugly. |
| 07:06.24 | zoran | need a time |
| 07:06.25 | keesj | you still would need a converter plug |
| 07:06.47 | K`zan | And I scrapped a usb 1.1 hub to get the connectors LOL. At least it was fun to build... |
| 07:08.14 | K`zan | keesj: I set it up to use regular cables to do the plug conversions. |
| 07:08.42 | zoran | as I see, my triple cable would suffice |
| 07:08.53 | keesj | so your replaced the square plug of the hub with a normal a plug? |
| 07:10.38 | K`zan | No, connectors on the injector are female, took them off a hub. Pix at: |
| 07:10.39 | zoran | K`zan, do you see anything through your self-made hub? |
| 07:10.56 | K`zan | http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI/ |
| 07:11.13 | K`zan | It saw the SD card reader for sure. |
| 07:11.27 | zoran | good enough |
| 07:11.34 | K`zan | I think it saw the usb->serial dongle and the ethernet dongle, just not supported. |
| 07:11.58 | zoran | need some drivers |
| 07:12.04 | K`zan | Pix with the n800 camera under a fluorescent lamp... |
| 07:12.26 | K`zan | Yep, as I understand it, I will have to build my own kernel with the modules to support those devices. |
| 07:12.52 | keesj | K`zan: nice |
| 07:12.53 | zoran | yes, protocols just liek in usb hdd enclosure |
| 07:13.17 | keesj | what kind of program did you use for the schematics? |
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| 07:13.24 | K`zan | Now that would be interesting, a USB HD for it. Got one that I am not using. a 500G drive on the n800 LOL. |
| 07:13.41 | K`zan | keesj: I used gschem |
| 07:13.57 | K`zan | Part of GEDA. |
| 07:14.08 | K`zan | Coffee buffer overflow, brb |
| 07:14.26 | zoran | not im my bsd port collection |
| 07:14.50 | keesj | cool, I will look into it! I tried pcb yesterday |
| 07:15.30 | zoran | that hdd have to be on the usb hub, not on n800 in fact |
| 07:15.35 | zoran | *has |
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| 07:15.55 | keesj | thanks so much for the info! |
| 07:18.01 | derf | hahlo: Still around? |
| 07:18.03 | derf | Err. |
| 07:18.12 | derf | That's not who I meant to nick complete. |
| 07:18.25 | derf | I guess that means halley is not. |
| 07:25.58 | K`zan | PCB is pretty good too, been using both gschem and PCB for quite a while now. |
| 07:38.17 | K`zan | Thanks for the help folks. Gonna call it a night while I am ahead :-). |
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| 08:22.30 | Fenix-Dark | hi |
| 08:23.10 | Fenix-Dark | is the nokia n800 able to play your average standard def video at a reasonable fps (without re-encoding)? |
| 08:24.13 | Vulcanis | what format |
| 08:24.19 | Vulcanis | it shouldd |
| 08:24.39 | Fenix-Dark | divx .avi file |
| 08:25.00 | Vulcanis | I think that is supported? |
| 08:25.29 | Fenix-Dark | i'm considering whether or not i should replace my dead 770 (which could not play video files fast enough w/out being re-encoded) with a n800 or n810 |
| 08:25.46 | Vulcanis | n800 is worth it. 810, not so much, unless you REALLY want the hardware KB |
| 08:26.03 | Vulcanis | n800 with os2008 has the same processor speed and memory, as far as I can remember |
| 08:26.38 | astro76 | mplayer will but it will probably choke on some scenes, best to re-encode to within a 400x240 size |
| 08:26.43 | acydlord | i wasnt going to buy an n810, but then i got accepted for the dev discount |
| 08:27.03 | Fenix-Dark | hrm |
| 08:27.22 | Fenix-Dark | i really liked using my 770 to watch movies 'n such, but re-encoding is a big hassle |
| 08:27.57 | acydlord | would be nice if they switched on that nice h.264 decoder on the processor |
| 08:27.59 | Fenix-Dark | so with os2008 there would be no difference in video playback between the 800 and 810? |
| 08:28.23 | Vulcanis | not really. |
| 08:28.24 | acydlord | most likely not |
| 08:28.44 | Fenix-Dark | thats a shame |
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| 08:30.09 | Fenix-Dark | i'm looking at the specs of the 800 vs 810, the 810 has a "mini SDHC card slot" is that the same as the 770's rsmmc slot? |
| 08:31.16 | acydlord | nah, different form factor |
| 08:31.25 | Fenix-Dark | damn |
| 08:31.33 | acydlord | mini sd is more common that rsmmc |
| 08:31.50 | Fenix-Dark | yea, but i already bought a 1gb rsmmc card to accomodate my now dead 770 |
| 08:32.06 | acydlord | that sucks |
| 08:32.35 | Fenix-Dark | eh could be worse, memory cards are cheap now |
| 08:33.12 | astro76 | the rsmmc will fit in the n800's sd slot with an adapter |
| 08:33.32 | Fenix-Dark | good |
| 08:33.42 | Vulcanis | The reason I like the n800 better than the n810, mostly because the n810 is 10gb total, and the n800 is 16 |
| 08:33.48 | acydlord | oh yeah, i forgot they had the sd adapter |
| 08:34.12 | acydlord | it would be sweet it the kernel would support up to 32gb SDHc cards |
| 08:34.28 | Vulcanis | Just wait for 09 <g> |
| 08:35.17 | Fenix-Dark | i wont be using it as an ipod, so 10gb vs 16 total gb of memory isn't a big deal |
| 08:35.20 | acydlord | i wish i could find my second stylus, i'd like to sell my n800 with both |
| 08:35.37 | Fenix-Dark | acydlord, mind if i ask why you're selling it? |
| 08:35.39 | acydlord | i use mine as a laptop replacement, so i enjoy the storage space |
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| 08:36.02 | acydlord | Fenix-Dark, i'm quite broke and may need to sell my n800 to get my n810 |
| 08:36.13 | Fenix-Dark | heh |
| 08:36.42 | Fenix-Dark | coincidentally, my 770 broke right before the compusa warranty ends |
| 08:37.10 | acydlord | that's lucky |
| 08:37.28 | acydlord | my old laptop died 2 days after the warranty ended |
| 08:37.35 | Fenix-Dark | same thing happened with my dell pc |
| 08:38.51 | acydlord | dissapointing when that happens |
| 08:38.59 | Fenix-Dark | yea |
| 08:40.00 | acydlord | my friend had a girl spill a soda on his laptop not too long after the extended warranty ended |
| 08:40.24 | acydlord | it's like the more expensive the electronic the worse the luck is |
| 08:40.31 | Fenix-Dark | heh yae |
| 08:40.34 | Fenix-Dark | yea* |
| 08:41.01 | Fenix-Dark | are either of the 810 or 800 equipped with usb 2.0? |
| 08:41.12 | milhouse | yes both |
| 08:41.29 | milhouse | i think the 770 had USB2 also |
| 08:41.34 | Fenix-Dark | i dont believe so |
| 08:41.39 | Fenix-Dark | well |
| 08:41.45 | Fenix-Dark | if it did, it didnt run as fast as it should |
| 08:41.57 | milhouse | that may be true, but doesn't mean it isn't USB2 |
| 08:42.03 | Fenix-Dark | indeed |
| 08:42.53 | acydlord | yeah it was usb 2.0 |
| 08:43.04 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 08:43.09 | acydlord | i used to get the warning on my old computer that has usb1.1 on it |
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| 13:48.25 | eichi_ | hello |
| 13:53.46 | rocketman | jellos |
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| 16:00.12 | kulve | does somebody want to test my ogg-support package with media player support on 2008? |
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| 16:05.30 | melmoth | grumble |
| 16:05.39 | melmoth | i just receive a "maemo-users-bounces@ You have been unsubscribed from the maemo-users mailing list " mail. |
| 16:05.56 | melmoth | any other around having the same ? |
| 16:06.03 | kulve | I didn't |
| 16:06.26 | melmoth | and http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html is not available. |
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| 16:07.51 | SignalN800 | hi guys |
| 16:08.22 | halley | Are you AKA Signale007 or somesuch? |
| 16:11.15 | astro76 | melmoth, it's working here, but maemo.org does indeed go down often |
| 16:11.54 | melmoth | workgin again here, i m re subscribing..but it feel odd to be unsubscribed automagically |
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| 16:17.44 | kulve | melmoth: yeah, it sound really odd |
| 16:17.53 | kulve | but maemo.org is what it is.. |
| 16:18.41 | keesj | melmoth: I did recieve a diffrent bounce mail |
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| 16:21.14 | dick-richardson | that thomas schmidt repo is the cats meow |
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| 16:27.43 | alterego | Anyone know what the GPS chip in the N810 is? |
| 16:29.55 | |R | i don't know, but i was wondering if using it with an external MTK one could make a very precise GPS :) |
| 16:30.33 | zerojay | Testing for scientologists... |
| 16:30.34 | zerojay | xenu |
| 16:30.45 | zerojay | Nope.. cool. |
| 16:31.09 | |R | what? :P |
| 16:31.20 | zerojay | http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/wordlist.html |
| 16:31.25 | dick-richardson | zerojay: i'm gonna have to drop an atom bomb on you know |
| 16:31.30 | dick-richardson | *now |
| 16:31.42 | zerojay | dick-richardson: Why? |
| 16:31.48 | dick-richardson | after putting you in a volcano |
| 16:32.03 | dick-richardson | I honestly don't know...something to do w/thetas I think |
| 16:32.11 | zerojay | Mmmkay. |
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| 16:32.46 | kpel | hi all |
| 16:32.49 | dick-richardson | you should read up on their beliefs. it's...informative |
| 16:33.07 | zerojay | Yeah, I know. Take a look at the link I pasted. |
| 16:33.48 | kulve | does somebody want to test my ogg-support package with media player support on 2008? |
| 16:33.54 | alterego | Just wondering if I can set the almanac in it. |
| 16:34.25 | zerojay | kulve: Yes. |
| 16:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | Damn Scientologists . . . |
| 16:35.11 | derf | halley: Around? |
| 16:35.15 | kulve | zerojay: do you have the 0.3 versio installed? |
| 16:35.18 | kulve | +n |
| 16:35.28 | zerojay | kulve: I don't have ogg-support installed right now. |
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| 16:35.57 | halley | derf, aye. |
| 16:36.00 | kulve | install it first from the maemo.org/downloads as the 0.4 is not in any repo yet and the app.mgr won't install dependencies unless the package is in a repo |
| 16:36.12 | derf | halley: Try the dics packages again. |
| 16:36.16 | halley | derf, saw your newest files, will try those. |
| 16:36.41 | halley | Wasn't sure if you saw my errors of last night before I logged off. |
| 16:37.13 | zerojay | kulve: k |
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| 16:39.12 | halley | dics installed cleanly, trying extras |
| 16:40.03 | halley | I'm gonna have to symlink the dics to mmc2 at some point. |
| 16:40.14 | halley | extra installed cleanly, trying app |
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| 16:41.07 | halley | Huge number of Attached/Installed schema messages but appears to be installed. |
| 16:41.10 | halley | Trying a run. |
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| 16:41.37 | dick-richardson | isnt' vnc viewer in a repo, yet? |
| 16:41.52 | derf | There's still a few bugs in the program itself that I never got around to fixing. |
| 16:42.31 | halley | Anything serious to usability? |
| 16:43.22 | derf | Don't open either the kanji dictionary or the radical list (I forget which), close it, and then open it again. |
| 16:44.04 | halley | http://halley.cc/screenshot04.png |
| 16:44.42 | derf | HOORJ! |
| 16:45.16 | halley | Is that some norweigian way of saying hooray? ;) |
| 16:46.46 | derf | It's some IRC way of saying hooray. |
| 16:46.54 | lopz | re |
| 16:47.36 | halley | Wow, where'd all these specialized extra dics come from? Never seen them in the usual web places. |
| 16:47.41 | derf | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HOORJ! |
| 16:47.58 | halley | I figured extras would have names and places, but Geology and Linguistics? |
| 16:48.25 | derf | They were linked on the gjiten homepage. |
| 16:48.59 | derf | http://gjiten.sourceforge.net/dictfiles/ |
| 16:50.25 | derf | Also, don't ask me why the enamdict there is 61k when the one I downloaded is 30MB. |
| 16:50.32 | halley | Heh. |
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| 16:51.10 | halley | I think a lot of the edict stuff (and enamdict) are trying to be J->* language, so that might just be a stripped J->E. |
| 16:52.40 | alterego | Hmm, shame the n810 dmesg output isn't available anymore |
| 16:53.21 | derf | I think I did finally stop installing the 22MB wadoku (JA->DE) dictionary by default. |
| 16:54.08 | halley | derf, how much gtk effort is involved in making the options buttons area fold in/out? Or maybe it does and I don't see how yet? |
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| 16:55.57 | zs | hi, is it possible to write apps using gtkmm for os2007? |
| 16:56.03 | derf | I suppose I could put it in a GtkExpander, but then it would use more vertical space by default. |
| 16:56.42 | halley | derf, maybe popups instead of 4 rows of radios? |
| 16:56.47 | alterego | Zs, yes |
| 16:57.20 | derf | halley: Now you're getting into a lot more work. |
| 16:57.22 | zs | alterego: ok thank you :~) |
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| 16:57.34 | halley | derf, yeah, don't want to seem ungrateful ;) |
| 16:58.11 | derf | I don't want to seem lazy (which I am). |
| 16:58.41 | halley | If you were as lazy as I am, you wouldn't have gotten this far. |
| 16:58.45 | derf | But drop-downs don't help for the check-box options, which means you already need most of that vertical space anyway. |
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| 17:00.04 | halley | Well, (*) Dictionary [ ... v ] becomes Dictionary [ All v ], and [X] Auto Adjust [X] Limit [ 100 ] fits on one line. |
| 17:02.04 | derf | Yeah, let me know. |
| 17:02.20 | derf | I never really found kanjipad useful, but then again I never tried to use it with a stylus. |
| 17:02.43 | halley | It seems folded into im-ja but nobody's actually PUT im-ja on maemo. |
| 17:03.17 | halley | Stylus wins over mouse, and it's good in the field if you're reading a street sign or something. |
| 17:03.32 | derf | I always found I was much faster just using radical lookup. |
| 17:05.50 | derf | http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/gjiten-kanjidic-screenshot.png |
| 17:06.10 | derf | Enable Search By Radical, click Show Radicals. |
| 17:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's so . . . purple. |
| 17:06.47 | halley | Not in my theme. |
| 17:06.59 | halley | After it gets down to 1 kanji, how do I actually see it? |
| 17:07.08 | halley | Oh, close. |
| 17:07.33 | halley | I like how it weeds out radicals that can't appear together. |
| 17:10.24 | halley | Mind if I give you a new app icon? The current one is half-size and hard to see. |
| 17:11.05 | derf | Go ahead... I think I just copied the original's. |
| 17:11.28 | halley | What's the format? ppm or png? |
| 17:12.14 | derf | png |
| 17:13.13 | halley | Yeah, if you *close* the radicals it can't get it back, but if you minimize it, it can show again. |
| 17:13.36 | derf | /usr/share/pixmaps/gjiten/gjiten-logo.png |
| 17:13.43 | derf | halley: Yeah, that's the bug I was referring to. |
| 17:14.37 | halley | Can you make out the kanji in the original? It doesn't look like 'jiten'? |
| 17:16.51 | derf | It is, in fact. 辞典 |
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| 17:17.42 | halley | 辞典 - ah, duh, I was lazy and just tried first jiten in IME. 時点 |
| 17:17.59 | derf | You need to learn more kanji, then. |
| 17:18.18 | halley | Well, that's why I want gjiten ;) |
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| 17:19.22 | czr | utf-8 is scary |
| 17:20.15 | toresbe | pf |
| 17:20.24 | halley | bash: pf: command not found |
| 17:20.34 | toresbe | rm -rf |
| 17:21.25 | czr | PF_FOO |
| 17:22.24 | alterego | czr, can you confirm the n810 has a SiRF Star III GPS reciever? |
| 17:22.33 | alterego | Hello by-the way |
| 17:22.52 | czr | alterego, how could I confirm that? |
| 17:22.55 | czr | hello :-) |
| 17:23.35 | alterego | erm .. dmesg, sysfs mayme? |
| 17:24.08 | czr | let me see |
| 17:24.15 | czr | the battery on it is dead, give me a sec |
| 17:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to hack up an antenna port for it. |
| 17:25.18 | zs | so how can i install gtkmm on my SDK? |
| 17:26.38 | czr | alterego, what if would the gps thingy be on? |
| 17:26.57 | alterego | I dunno :) |
| 17:27.18 | alterego | UART maybe, more likely memory mapped |
| 17:29.22 | czr | nothing in dmesg |
| 17:29.33 | czr | let me start the app, maybe there'll be some additional info |
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| 17:30.05 | alterego | Yah, it'll be off when not in use |
| 17:30.27 | czr | well. no messages in dmesg about it |
| 17:30.37 | hahlo | can I boot os2007 to console and only start X when need to? |
| 17:30.49 | czr | hahlo, no |
| 17:30.50 | alterego | Maybe a kern mod. Or something in gpsd. Oh well, nevermind :) |
| 17:31.00 | czr | hahlo, also, what do you mean with 'console'? |
| 17:31.14 | czr | hahlo, if you replace the initfs then yes, you can do whatever you like. |
| 17:31.16 | alterego | hahlo: how would you type: 'startx' ? |
| 17:31.29 | hahlo | czr: like pc-linux virtual-console? |
| 17:31.39 | hahlo | some lower init |
| 17:32.03 | czr | that'd require a fbdev |
| 17:32.11 | czr | and fbcon support |
| 17:32.14 | czr | and input drivers |
| 17:32.34 | hahlo | and they are all made? |
| 17:32.39 | czr | and no, not possible in os2007. |
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| 17:32.46 | hahlo | ok |
| 17:32.53 | hahlo | shame |
| 17:33.00 | czr | why? |
| 17:33.05 | czr | alterego, /usr/sbin/gpsd -n -N -F /tmp/.gpsd_ctrl_sock /dev/pgp |
| 17:33.43 | hahlo | I really don't need X much |
| 17:34.25 | |R | hehe why not just try to auto start xterm in full screen instead? :) |
| 17:34.30 | |R | might be less asshle |
| 17:34.45 | czr | hahlo, which device do you have? |
| 17:34.55 | |R | hassle oops |
| 17:35.09 | czr | |R, nice one :-) |
| 17:35.18 | |R | :P |
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| 17:36.40 | alterego | Appearently it's UART |
| 17:36.53 | hahlo | n800 |
| 17:37.25 | |R | oh, so no drivers needed... |
| 17:37.44 | zs | how can i install gtkmm on my SDK? |
| 17:38.01 | czr | hahlo, so how were you planning of inputting text into the console without X? |
| 17:38.06 | czr | hahlo, external keyboard? |
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| 17:38.54 | czr | alterego, yeah, no driver in the kernel that's related to gps in any way |
| 17:39.04 | czr | just went through all the drivers under /sys/module/ |
| 17:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | I want to hide the Nokia boot screen and show the console while booting. |
| 17:39.36 | |R | GeneralAntilles : that would be cool :) |
| 17:40.09 | czr | why not rotating 3d bumpmapped cube while you're at it? with caustics if a regular one is too easy |
| 17:40.16 | |R | with an ascii art demo running over it haha ;) |
| 17:40.23 | hahlo | yes bt keyboard |
| 17:40.27 | |R | czr hhaha that too :P |
| 17:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | Why's so problematic with showing the console? :\ |
| 17:40.46 | czr | cause there isn't any included? |
| 17:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Well, good to know. |
| 17:40.56 | hahlo | I wouuld also like to hide nokia logo on boot |
| 17:41.00 | czr | although I'm not 100% sure |
| 17:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hardly an unreasonable request if you're comparing it to other 'nix oses. ;) |
| 17:41.22 | halley | hahlo, how often do you *really* boot? |
| 17:41.30 | czr | next thing you'll want is separate user accounts and multiuser support? ;-) |
| 17:41.37 | derf | hahlo: Just replace the logo file. |
| 17:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 17:41.51 | hahlo | not very often maybe twice a day |
| 17:41.58 | alterego | Must be serial then, appeatantly it's a serial uart interface. NMEA and some binary interface. |
| 17:42.02 | derf | czr: I had no problems with separate user accounts. |
| 17:42.10 | halley | GeneralAntilles, there's no textgen framebuffer on the hardware. |
| 17:42.18 | halley | hahlo, let it sleep, don't shut it down :P |
| 17:42.25 | derf | And multiple users worked just fine over ssh. |
| 17:42.42 | derf | Now, getting anyone other than "user" to log into the GUI... that'd just be silly. |
| 17:42.46 | hahlo | where is this thing bootloader anyway, no grub or lilo at least? |
| 17:43.03 | halley | It's not a PC. |
| 17:43.19 | czr | derf, and how do you login into the device without ssh as another user? think of graphical use |
| 17:43.29 | czr | derf, aka display managers. that was my point originally |
| 17:43.40 | czr | having separate d-bus session daemons etc |
| 17:43.44 | derf | czr: As I said, silly. |
| 17:43.49 | derf | Who would want to do that? |
| 17:44.10 | czr | anyone who wants "regular" unix on the device. not me. |
| 17:44.15 | hahlo | can I flash some real linux on it like debian or so? |
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| 17:45.02 | alterego | It runs debian based software |
| 17:45.05 | czr | hmm. what was the open sw stack? |
| 17:45.13 | czr | the one that aims to replace the closed components |
| 17:45.44 | hahlo | like we can flash our ipaqs |
| 17:45.52 | alterego | What's wrong with the xterminal? Why would you run it non-graphically. |
| 17:46.23 | alterego | hahlo, if you're clever enough you can. |
| 17:46.30 | |R | czr : mamona ? |
| 17:46.36 | czr | yeah. that one |
| 17:46.37 | hahlo | cool |
| 17:46.39 | czr | hahlo, google for mamona |
| 17:46.45 | hahlo | thanks |
| 17:46.50 | czr | it may brick your device. |
| 17:47.05 | |R | and no WPA yet |
| 17:48.06 | derf | I mean, I mostly use X so I can have lots of xterms open. |
| 17:48.28 | derf | You're going to have real fun trying to press Alt+F# to switch between consoles without X. |
| 17:49.19 | czr | derf, he has external keyboard |
| 17:49.23 | czr | he/she. /me shrugs |
| 17:49.51 | |R | czr : he was statistically correct unfortunately ;) |
| 17:50.45 | czr | unfortuantely? :-) hardly. |
| 17:50.49 | |R | haha |
| 17:51.40 | |R | well, i wish computer sciences wasn't as much man driven as it is. |
| 17:51.56 | czr | does it really matter? |
| 17:52.10 | |R | In theory no, in practice yes :P |
| 17:52.13 | czr | not unless you plan to date other computer scientists |
| 17:52.31 | |R | No but the mood changes a lot and it cuts down on the car talk from some guys... hehe |
| 17:52.50 | |R | and the development of things at a higher level might have interesting twists because of that |
| 17:52.54 | |R | but i'm just guessing here :) |
| 17:53.26 | |R | But, yeah, the bachelor would have been less boring with girls as it felt like a prison... ;) |
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| 17:57.05 | czr | dmesg: hub 1-0:1.0: TT requires at most 8 FS bit times (666 ns) |
| 17:57.26 | |R | what's that? |
| 17:58.50 | czr | a line from dmesg |
| 18:01.50 | |R | czr : indeed, but... i don't understand what i says? :) |
| 18:01.52 | |R | i/it |
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| 18:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | 666 |
| 18:03.43 | |R | ah ha! |
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| 18:03.59 | alterego | I tried host mode yesterday .. Nothing .. |
| 18:04.42 | czr | thanks GeneralAntilles |
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| 18:18.14 | script | maemo.org login issues make me wanna throw up |
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| 18:19.26 | hugolp | anyone here has got quetoo working on N800 OS2008? |
| 18:19.28 | script | it's great developing software, having the ability to upload packages to extras/ but not beeing able to edit descriptions in application-catalogue .. |
| 18:19.38 | script | BIG mess |
| 18:19.53 | kulve | script: what url are you usin? |
| 18:20.01 | script | kulve: https://maemo.org/ e.g.? |
| 18:20.29 | kulve | script: so, maemo.org/download and not download.maemo.org? Or what catalogue do you mean.. |
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| 18:20.49 | script | https://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 this one .. |
| 18:20.55 | kulve | ok |
| 18:21.21 | ywwg | Is there anything special that has to be done to quit out of a hildon program? I am calling gtk.main_quit() but the program does not exit |
| 18:21.27 | ywwg | (this is in pymaemo) |
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| 18:23.35 | czr | ywwg, that should be enough, but I don't know whether pymaemo works properly, so.. |
| 18:24.19 | ywwg | czr: ok thanks. I think I might have a thread hanging around that might be causing the problem |
| 18:24.44 | dick-richardson | anyone running garnet vm? |
| 18:24.45 | halley | ywwg, are you then actually ending python? |
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| 18:25.32 | dick-richardson | I'm wondering if there's a command line argument that can be passed to go right to an installed app |
| 18:25.37 | ywwg | halley: it calls gtk.main_quit() and then it does not seem to exit |
| 18:25.52 | ywwg | halley: it's supposed to print one last logging message after that, but it never gets printed |
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| 18:41.19 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 18:44.30 | ywwg | halley, czr: so I figured out if I tell my application to quit itself it's fine, but if I'm quitting in response to a "destroy" event it doesn't exit properly |
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| 18:46.19 | czr | ywwg, weird. that should work as well. |
| 18:50.16 | alterego | Anyone have any luck with host mode on the n800? |
| 18:51.03 | truent | host mode? |
| 18:51.29 | kulve | I just upgraded the ogg-support 0.4 for 2008 to my repo. It should include now initial support for the Media Player. Let me know, if there's something wrong with it. |
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| 18:56.11 | alterego | Yes, the mythical usb host mode. I managed to enable it but not get it functioning properly. |
| 18:57.03 | dick-richardson | alterego: is that supposed to allow you to plug usb devices into the unit? |
| 18:58.31 | alterego | Yes dick |
| 18:59.27 | Andy80 | cannot switch to CHINOOK_X86 target anymore.... it tells me "You must close your other Scratchbox session first" but I exited Scratchbox and logged out again... I tried to restart the scratchbox-core service too, but nothing to do... any suggestion? |
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| 18:59.37 | script | reboot :-) |
| 18:59.45 | script | sb-menu -> kill .... |
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| 19:00.53 | Andy80 | script: the KillAll function worked, thanks :) |
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| 19:00.58 | kulve | Andy80: you have some prosesses running that you've started from the arm target. Like qemu? |
| 19:01.22 | kulve | oh, it worked? I almost always need to kill them manually.. |
| 19:01.47 | Andy80 | kulve: yes, just switched to the other target :) |
| 19:03.45 | Andy80 | mmm... perfect... the python app cannot open the display... damn... |
| 19:04.14 | Tu13es | should I upgrade my n800 to os2008? |
| 19:04.23 | kulve | Tu13es: imo, maybe not yet |
| 19:04.39 | Tu13es | would I have to reformat again when the final version comes out? |
| 19:04.45 | kulve | Tu13es: it still has some (non-fatal) bugs and not all the apps are yet ported to it.. |
| 19:04.53 | kulve | Tu13es: I hope not.. |
| 19:05.04 | Tu13es | eh, I think I'll do it |
| 19:05.07 | Tu13es | i haven't used it much lately |
| 19:05.07 | kulve | Because I'm using it |
| 19:05.20 | |R | yes, to reflash you need to reformat |
| 19:05.36 | Tu13es | hm |
| 19:05.39 | kulve | they claim that it can reinstall the apps back semi-automatically after a flash in 2008 |
| 19:05.47 | Tu13es | kulve: what bugs? |
| 19:05.56 | |R | kulve : anyone tried this yet?% |
| 19:06.12 | |R | considering the amount of dpkg -i i do, i guess it's not working for me :P |
| 19:06.22 | kulve | Tu13es: it fails to reconnect to my wlan on boot, even though it claims the connection is up. And the dimming seems to bug. So nothing fatal |
| 19:06.34 | Tu13es | interesting |
| 19:06.42 | kulve | |R: tried what..? |
| 19:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, |R. |
| 19:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | It worked OK. |
| 19:07.23 | |R | kulve : the apps reinstall |
| 19:07.40 | |R | GeneralAntilles : ok, it just saves dpkg -l 's output and the sources.list? |
| 19:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | Extras is disabled by default, so it'll fail if you don't enable that first. |
| 19:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | It'll also choke on stuff you've installed from .deb |
| 19:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | but it DOES remember them. |
| 19:08.09 | |R | ok |
| 19:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | So at least you have a list to work from. |
| 19:08.19 | |R | won't have to do it by hand hehe :) |
| 19:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't seem to remember Application Menu positions, either. |
| 19:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | so you have to monitor it while it's running. :\ |
| 19:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | Better than nothing, I suppose. |
| 19:08.58 | |R | uhm ok, worst case it takes a minute to reorder if it's just that :) |
| 19:08.58 | Tu13es | hm, I'll give updating a shot |
| 19:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'd wait for the final, Tu13es. |
| 19:09.11 | |R | So i'll try to keep my sources.list updated this time ;) |
| 19:09.17 | GeneralAntilles | We're talking, maybe, 5 days here. |
| 19:09.21 | |R | (waiting to flash from 2008b before using those features...) |
| 19:09.29 | Tu13es | I won't have as much free time in 5 days |
| 19:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it makes installing repos _VERY_ easy, |R. |
| 19:09.44 | Tu13es | besides, as I haven't really used my tablet much lately, nothing's exactly mission-critical |
| 19:09.52 | |R | GeneralAntilles : indeed, i'll look into it :) |
| 19:10.04 | |R | collecting them by hand is tedious ;) |
| 19:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's one-click for all repos, basically. |
| 19:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Well, two. |
| 19:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | Select all |
| 19:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | install selected |
| 19:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't call my tablet mission critical, but I would feel a very deep pain if I had to part with it. |
| 19:11.33 | Tu13es | right, not me |
| 19:11.43 | Tu13es | anyone flashed via os x lately? |
| 19:11.45 | ywwg | halley, czr: well I figured out something that works, finally, involving using hide_on_delete so I have time to shut down my app, then calling main_quit. I think main_quit was being called too soon or something |
| 19:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | Rhapsody is about the most kickass thing ever for a portable music collection. |
| 19:12.14 | |R | Is anoyone aware of a solution (escrow system?) to help with buy/sell on forums ? |
| 19:12.52 | Tu13es | i thought they were all shady |
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| 19:12.59 | Tu13es | when I used the forums it was just heatware and paypal |
| 19:13.06 | Tu13es | well, AT forums |
| 19:14.34 | |R | Is paypal giving offering an escrow service? |
| 19:14.41 | Tu13es | no |
| 19:14.54 | Tu13es | we essentially just used honesty and reputation |
| 19:15.01 | Tu13es | i never bought or sold anything large though |
| 19:15.20 | |R | yeah, wished it worked that way :| |
| 19:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:16.22 | |R | uhm escrow.com hehe |
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| 19:27.57 | Tu13es | wow, I was just able to type in the name of my n800 via finger using the small keyboard |
| 19:28.06 | Tu13es | definitely an improvement right there |
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| 19:38.48 | Tu13es | oh, huh, 2008 seems to support bluetooth gps's natively, nifty |
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| 19:41.09 | alterego | It even supports USB host mode natively if you can get it to work. |
| 19:41.40 | hugolp | and it supports hot blondes if you send money to my bank account |
| 19:42.28 | Tu13es | hm, says connected, but nothing showing up on my mc |
| 19:42.30 | Tu13es | mac |
| 19:43.14 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 19:43.48 | Myrtti | I can't install pidgin msn support on my 770 it2007he2 |
| 19:43.52 | lopz | re |
| 19:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | Why bother? |
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| 19:43.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just use jablet.net. ;) |
| 19:44.25 | Tu13es | any suggestions for easiest way to pull out the memory card in the n800? |
| 19:45.00 | hugolp | yes, who the hell thought about that brilliant desing? |
| 19:45.20 | hugolp | the first time I inserted the card I thought I place it in the wrong place cause there was no way to take it out |
| 19:45.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just pull it out? |
| 19:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure I see the problem. |
| 19:45.48 | Tu13es | it's not exactly easy to grasp |
| 19:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | There's a lip that you can catch very easily. |
| 19:46.33 | Tu13es | not on my card |
| 19:46.34 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I shouldnt need my girlfriend tweezers to take it out |
| 19:46.48 | GeneralAntilles | You don't. |
| 19:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a half-dozen SD cards here from various brands and they all have a lip |
| 19:47.33 | hugolp | yep, your right actually |
| 19:47.38 | hugolp | just tried now |
| 19:47.42 | hugolp | didnt see it before |
| 19:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Look at it this way, if they used a more complicated mechanism, I can almost guarantee you we wouldn't have two slots. :) |
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| 19:50.56 | hugolp | Now that I have used the Nokia N800 for about 2 weeks, I dont understand why they havent include a phone on it |
| 19:51.15 | hugolp | its not a money thing cause Im sure that with the hardware thats allredy there it shouldnt be a problem |
| 19:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 19:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | If you want a phone, buy a phone |
| 19:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia makes plenty of decent phones. |
| 19:51.39 | hugolp | Theres no phone with N800 functionalities |
| 19:52.02 | hugolp | well, Iphone and Lg have something similar |
| 19:52.25 | hugolp | I dont know why nokia doesnt jump into this segment |
| 19:54.33 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: you wouldnt like your N800 being a phone also? |
| 19:55.48 | Myrtti | N95 <3 |
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| 19:58.00 | halley | Perhaps the N810's grandchild will incorporate 3G as well, but I'm happy without any phone hardware on the N810. I don't like this form factor for mashing against my ear. |
| 19:58.30 | hugolp | Myrtti: N95 screen 320x240 not touch < N800 screen 800x480 touch |
| 19:58.45 | Myrtti | so? |
| 19:59.05 | Myrtti | I've got 770 and N95 |
| 20:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | No, hugolp. |
| 20:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | I have a perfectly good phone |
| 20:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | Let's see: battery life |
| 20:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | cost |
| 20:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | giant face tumor |
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| 20:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, there's a lot of places I don't want to take the N800. |
| 20:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | Parties, for instance. |
| 20:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | Getting shoved into a pool with my N800 is not something very high on my list of desirables. |
| 20:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | Think of it this way, hugolp. Adding a cellular modem would mean MUCH greater costs, not necessarily because of hardware (but that factors in to as, as adding and integrating a cellular modem isn't cheap, especially with space as costly as it is in the NITs) |
| 20:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | but you also have the hundreds of different national standards you have to go through |
| 20:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | FCC and all its international counterparts |
| 20:05.08 | halley | Hm, I'm having trouble getting icons to appear at the right size. If I replace a 26x26 png file with a 60x60 png file, then restart the system, the artwork changes but it scales it to the old size. What do I have to flush to get it to consider the new icon's size? |
| 20:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | then you have to deal with carriers (at least in the US) |
| 20:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, hugolp, it's a really bad idea |
| 20:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | there's dozens of pages on why, exactly, it's a bad idea for the platform over at ITT. |
| 20:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | and, seriously, do you really want a phone that barely runs for 4 hours? |
| 20:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | I like leaving my phone on standby for long periods of time |
| 20:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | if my N800 dies, so what |
| 20:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | if my phone dies, that's a much bigger issue. |
| 20:06.41 | halley | If you have 90% of the last screenful of chat, you're ranting. |
| 20:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Phones should be phones, internet tablets should be internet tablets. |
| 20:07.11 | GeneralAntilles | Monologuing is what it's called, halley. |
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| 20:07.27 | halley | Babbling is what I say when my kid does it. |
| 20:07.28 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I dont |
| 20:07.34 | l7_ | hey, has anyone had problems reconnecting to their wifi router after a disconnect |
| 20:07.35 | hugolp | I would like to have everything in one |
| 20:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | There's no need to be an ass, halley. :) |
| 20:08.14 | halley | Other questions are getting absorbed into the rant. Mine for example. :) |
| 20:08.20 | l7_ | i notice that i usually need to powercycle the router to get my n800 connected |
| 20:08.38 | alterego | I'm sure there'll convergence devices in the future as we get better power technology. The internet tablet platform has only just begun. |
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| 20:08.44 | halley | Not here, l7_. |
| 20:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody had an answer, they'd give it to you. |
| 20:08.48 | dragorn | l7: sounds like a crap router :P |
| 20:09.06 | l7_ | dragorn: maybe... but my laptop has no problems with it |
| 20:09.11 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: so your saying the main problem for the N800 not being a phone is battery life? |
| 20:09.16 | l7_ | i'm wondering why the tablet does |
| 20:09.33 | dragorn | l7: anything that means you have to reboot the router, I tend to blame on crap router firmware. That should never be the case. |
| 20:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | battery life, expense |
| 20:10.36 | dragorn | Not to really feed the rant, but phones are as or more expensive, they're just subsidized by contracts w/ the phone company, try to buy an independent unlocked phone and you're looking at several hundred more |
| 20:11.09 | alterego | No, I'm saying until it becomes practical to integrate these two seperate device types there's no point. Like how cameras have become a part of phones. Only as the technology made it actually practical. |
| 20:11.36 | hugolp | alterego: phone cameras are still not substitute for real ones |
| 20:12.04 | kpel | alterego: phone cameras are good only for people like me, who know nothing of photography :-) |
| 20:12.11 | hugolp | anyway, at some point it should be there, that with only one device you get everything |
| 20:12.18 | alterego | VoIP isn't yet a substitute for phones :p |
| 20:12.18 | kpel | knowledgable people complain about the noise in pictures taken by phones |
| 20:12.40 | dragorn | Phone cams won't be good until they a) add real lenses and b) stop making the sensors half the size of postage stamps |
| 20:12.59 | dragorn | 'a' is getting closer with the oil-distortion lenses. B is still a problem. |
| 20:13.07 | hugolp | kpel: you dont have to be an expert to realize phone camera pictures are shit |
| 20:13.15 | alterego | Tablets aren't good computers. Compared to a desktop. Or even a laptop for th matter. |
| 20:13.24 | glass_ | if you compare to 10y old digicams they're ok |
| 20:13.30 | hugolp | unless you are so ugly you are happy with crappy pictures where you cant see your face properly :-P |
| 20:13.42 | kpel | hugolp: even cameras like the one in N95 (5MP) are not that good although they have good lenses |
| 20:13.57 | glass_ | but in all honesty, phone cams have been good enough for me since n70 |
| 20:14.00 | glass_ | for the use i give them |
| 20:14.08 | dragorn | If you're seriously into it, you can tell the noise differences on a APS-C 1.6x crop sensor vs a full frame sensor in a SLR |
| 20:14.09 | glass_ | snapshots |
| 20:14.10 | hugolp | although they have good lenses <- we could discuss on this |
| 20:14.42 | hugolp | anyway, I havent try it but they say the n90 has good picture quality |
| 20:14.43 | glass_ | it's always what you compare with |
| 20:15.05 | Tu13es | does skype have video chat yet? |
| 20:15.34 | Tu13es | for the n800, that is |
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| 20:17.50 | Tu13es | anyone using mClock/ |
| 20:17.51 | Tu13es | ? |
| 20:17.55 | Tu13es | or found a good fullscreen alarm clock? |
| 20:19.20 | kpel | hugolp: the Carl Zeiss optics of the N95 are not good enough for you? |
| 20:19.54 | glass_ | carl zeis is just a name |
| 20:19.57 | kpel | i would expect someone to complain about the sensor |
| 20:20.14 | glass_ | and the jpg routines and edge enhances and all that |
| 20:20.14 | kpel | ferrari is just a name too |
| 20:20.27 | glass_ | which are all common complaints |
| 20:20.33 | hugolp | kpel: for what Ive seen im not impresed at all |
| 20:20.40 | glass_ | kpel: old ibizas had a porsche logo on them too |
| 20:20.48 | glass_ | i like n95's pic |
| 20:20.50 | glass_ | quality |
| 20:20.52 | glass_ | it's good enough |
| 20:21.00 | hugolp | glass_: good enough for a phone... |
| 20:21.06 | hugolp | that says it all |
| 20:21.07 | glass_ | when compared to a pocket cam from few years ago |
| 20:21.16 | glass_ | it's good enough that i don't feel the need to carry a camera |
| 20:21.36 | glass_ | camera speed etc are more of a problem |
| 20:22.30 | kpel | exactly |
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| 20:23.42 | glass_ | focusing takes ages |
| 20:23.45 | glass_ | on n95 |
| 20:23.53 | kpel | true |
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| 20:33.22 | Atarii | so what's the best program for editting .doc files on 2007OS? |
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| 21:04.30 | zerojay | kulve: Haven't tried it yet. Trying it now. |
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| 21:07.32 | zerojay | kulve: Your link = 404 |
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| 21:45.15 | endorphinum | ? |
| 21:45.19 | acydlord | ! |
| 21:45.39 | endorphinum | :).... i am using miranda IM for the first time and do not understnd the IRC add on yet :) |
| 21:45.58 | acydlord | ahh, i never used te irc addon for it |
| 21:46.02 | endorphinum | or is it so, that at the moment there are soooo many people in the maemo room listed like to the right? |
| 21:46.08 | acydlord | i just used it when i felt like running an aiml script |
| 21:46.16 | endorphinum | for testing, right? |
| 21:46.32 | acydlord | there are 247 people in here right now |
| 21:46.39 | endorphinum | jesus.... so many!? |
| 21:46.45 | acydlord | indeed |
| 21:46.49 | endorphinum | inside the maemo group??? |
| 21:47.09 | endorphinum | i mean, specially the maemo channel? |
| 21:47.12 | acydlord | most, i believe so |
| 21:47.18 | acydlord | yeah |
| 21:48.01 | endorphinum | crazy. i have posted my first post today and allready broke a barrier..... i developed a flash application and a gudy did not liked that :( |
| 21:48.09 | endorphinum | so i hoped to get some help in here. |
| 21:49.00 | acydlord | i wouldnt be much help with a flash app, but maybe one of the others would be when they start to stir |
| 21:49.02 | pupnik | with flash? unlikely |
| 21:49.20 | endorphinum | yeah, well it is not a flash application. I want to make a flash magazine for the maemo community. |
| 21:49.29 | endorphinum | You wanna see the "dummy"? |
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| 21:49.47 | pupnik | sure |
| 21:49.58 | alterego | Well, I got OTG host mode working. |
| 21:50.00 | alterego | Kinda. |
| 21:50.12 | pupnik | nice |
| 21:50.14 | alterego | Doesn't want to recognise my card reader :/ |
| 21:50.19 | alterego | Works with my digital Camera fine. |
| 21:50.24 | endorphinum | It will be a "lifestyle" ezine for the n-series owners.... http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/0001.html |
| 21:50.39 | alterego | endorphinum, try it without flash :P |
| 21:50.40 | pupnik | i'd like to get a usb WLAN stick going on 770 or n810 someday |
| 21:51.00 | alterego | pupnik, that's funny. I'd like to get a USB ethernet adapter going :P |
| 21:51.10 | endorphinum | aterego: the point is that i use the "page-flip" technology. If you visit the link, click on a corner and hold the button. then drag the page to the left..... |
| 21:51.31 | alterego | Right. |
| 21:51.42 | pupnik | that page turning stuff is really cool endorphinum |
| 21:51.53 | alterego | Yeah .. That is pretty cool. |
| 21:51.56 | endorphinum | thankx a lot. i hope that it also works on the n800 |
| 21:52.05 | alterego | Add bookmarks and I'll let you off :P |
| 21:52.13 | pupnik | i've seen it used on another site. probably pretty high cpu load |
| 21:52.14 | endorphinum | could you test that out on your devices to see if you can "flip the pages that way" ? |
| 21:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | I want to tear the page out. |
| 21:53.04 | alterego | It's too big. |
| 21:53.10 | endorphinum | pupnik: i started a monthly scheduled ezine for my sports community this april. I have realized that the bigger the vectors, the more cpu the flash plugin snatches. You want to see it? |
| 21:53.18 | endorphinum | altergo: what is too big? |
| 21:53.27 | alterego | The whole thing. |
| 21:53.48 | endorphinum | Then please try out the direct link to http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/0001.swf |
| 21:54.01 | alterego | Okay .. It fits when I turn the toolbar off perfectly .. |
| 21:54.04 | endorphinum | or do you mean by kilobytes? |
| 21:54.33 | alterego | I meant screen estate. |
| 21:54.41 | alterego | I have to disable the toolbar to see it all. |
| 21:54.47 | pupnik | crashed opera+flash9 on Nokia 770 |
| 21:54.49 | alterego | Other than that, it actually works pretty well .. |
| 21:54.53 | endorphinum | My vision is to make it "downloadable", so that you guys could download and read it whenever you want. The resolution is set to 800x480, like the fullscreen option. |
| 21:55.03 | K`zan | Wow, played around with the map app installed on the n800 and compared to maemo mapper, it sucks badly. Wow</pleasant_surprise when free app beats the hell out of a $150 one :-)> |
| 21:55.19 | endorphinum | altergo: thanks a lot. That sounds like that i am going to invest some money, buy me a n800 and start the ezine by january. |
| 21:55.21 | pupnik | yes everybody says maemo mapper wins |
| 21:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | They don't even have a bugzilla component for it, K`zan. |
| 21:55.37 | K`zan | pupnik: Amazing how much better it is. |
| 21:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's pretty pathetic. |
| 21:55.47 | K`zan | Sadly, true. |
| 21:55.57 | K`zan | I'd keep using the Garmin before messing with map. |
| 21:56.26 | K`zan | It seems to use the same maps as maemo mapper, or I can't find the maemo mapper ones. |
| 21:56.47 | alterego | A PDF reader that worked like that would be f*cking awesome .. |
| 21:56.48 | K`zan | I wouldn't even give them $1.49 for map :-). |
| 21:57.06 | endorphinum | alterego: thats totally true! |
| 21:57.35 | K`zan | Pardon the bubbling, but for the price I really expected map to be stellar compared to maemo :-). |
| 21:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | endorphinum, pretty cool site. |
| 21:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's just the other side of too slow, though. |
| 21:57.39 | endorphinum | general: thanks. You mean the ezine? |
| 21:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | Surprisingly smooth for the device, but just a touch slow for me. |
| 21:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. |
| 21:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe reduce the resolution of the transition animation? |
| 21:58.16 | endorphinum | too slow that it gets boring or would you say "na, endorphinum, go for it and make that ezine!" ;) ? |
| 21:58.17 | alterego | It's okay until ~ the last 1/4 of the page turn. It slows down which is a little anooying. |
| 21:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | Or just distribute as PDF. |
| 21:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Go for it. |
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| 21:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | If you can gather up enough content. |
| 21:59.01 | alterego | I just wish there was a way you could do it without flash .. |
| 21:59.12 | alterego | Maybe come up with a usable JScript front end. |
| 21:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | pdf |
| 21:59.36 | alterego | I'd also like to see a PDF reader do that ... :D |
| 21:59.46 | endorphinum | Oh, that is no problem :) I am a freelancer in project development and my mind is full of weird idea. Just in case you want to know what i am talking about: the sports ezine i just started is by content totally different to what you have ever seen in printed sports magazines.... If youd like to, check it out at http://beta.endorphinum.de |
| 21:59.47 | K`zan | How about a really dumb site with *info* rather than just flash and dazzle (no pun intended)? |
| 21:59.51 | astro76 | with good content, there is no reason to pretty it up with pointless animation.... although it is very cool looking |
| 21:59.56 | endorphinum | .... Like all of my stuff everything is for free :) |
| 22:00.13 | K`zan | Astro: Exactly. |
| 22:00.34 | astro76 | either way I'm sure everyone would like a PDF to download |
| 22:00.42 | alterego | What's wrong with cool looking? |
| 22:01.00 | alterego | I think it's pretty cool. |
| 22:01.03 | endorphinum | astro: you are right, but i thought that it would be crazy to have that "flippage-feeling" on a technical device with a screen. And when i "met" the n800 on the web last week i just fell in love... now i'll only have to see how to get the 200 bucks together :( |
| 22:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | How often would the issues come out? |
| 22:01.14 | alterego | And I think it's usable. Though I think there should be a contents page and bookmarks. |
| 22:01.19 | endorphinum | general: monthly |
| 22:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, "This Month in maemo" thing actually sounds very awesome. |
| 22:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | s/Ah/A |
| 22:01.49 | alterego | Yeah |
| 22:01.54 | endorphinum | alter: contents is there, bookmark will come. In the lower middle there will be a "menu" button where you can go to direct pages etc. |
| 22:02.22 | alterego | endorphinum, I say go for it. But add a contents page, (which is easily accessible from any other page) and bookmarks! (Use cookies if you have to) :) |
| 22:02.33 | alterego | Ah, cool. |
| 22:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | It could make for a nice digest read for the noobs who does follow maemo.org and ITT daily. |
| 22:03.06 | alterego | Can you embed videos into these pages? |
| 22:03.18 | endorphinum | thats my aim... and also maybe a nice way for not-so-technical-maemo-fans like us to add stuff like "wallpapers" etc |
| 22:03.23 | endorphinum | alter: yes |
| 22:03.26 | alterego | Urm .. Just had a dumb moment .. |
| 22:03.42 | astro76 | endorphinum, check out what they are doing with Ubuntu Full Circle magazine monthly, sounds like the same type of thing you want to do for maemo |
| 22:03.50 | alterego | I'm looking at the site on both my tablet and my laptop. I just tried to turn the page by touching my laptop screen O_O |
| 22:03.59 | pupnik | so, looks like one store in UK has N810s |
| 22:04.06 | alterego | pupnik, where?!?!>£%$%&£$ |
| 22:04.10 | alterego | :) |
| 22:04.13 | endorphinum | If you check Beta Sway, my sports ezine, at the back there is a column called "music to exercise to". That are netalbels mp3 what means free to play and free to download. I thought i would implement that also inside it. |
| 22:04.24 | pupnik | on ITT forums, N810 in europe thread |
| 22:04.27 | alterego | pupnik, good sign though. It means they've made it to the UK ;) |
| 22:04.49 | endorphinum | alter: lol |
| 22:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | endorphinum, I'd definitely has PDF as an option for distribution, though. |
| 22:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | s/has/have |
| 22:05.36 | pupnik | a NX client would be a great project |
| 22:05.44 | alterego | Yes, I agree with GeneralAntilles on that. PDF download aswell. |
| 22:05.50 | endorphinum | technically that is no problem. I think i will offer both, but people will love the pageflip - i think :) |
| 22:06.02 | Astro | K`zan, endorphinum: please complete correctly, you're hilighting me ;) |
| 22:06.03 | alterego | endorphinum, I think it's really cool :) |
| 22:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | There's always the misers that'll complain about anything. ;) |
| 22:06.23 | endorphinum | *smile* |
| 22:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | Need to round up some columnists. |
| 22:07.04 | astro76 | endorphinum, sure, an online browser as an alternative to a PDF download is a fine idea, it would be good to make the animation slightly less taxing on the tablet, looks great on pc though |
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| 22:07.12 | endorphinum | where can i download the ubuntu ezine? my atarashi ezine certainly will be like the same but have more "lifestyle" content |
| 22:07.36 | astro76 | endorphinum, http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ |
| 22:07.50 | endorphinum | astro: thnx! |
| 22:08.08 | alterego | If it can work this well in flash. It should be easily implemented in C .. |
| 22:08.24 | endorphinum | Never tried it, to tell you the truth. |
| 22:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, target the magazine at an application, alterego? :D |
| 22:09.12 | alterego | I just think we could do with a bit more eye candy .. |
| 22:09.19 | endorphinum | Is the text inside my "dummy" ok to read by that size? At the moment i do not know if a 12 or 14 font typo is better. |
| 22:09.22 | alterego | And to be honest. The inbuilt PDF reader isn't _that_ great. |
| 22:09.27 | alterego | It's good, but not great. |
| 22:09.28 | K`zan | More content, less "eye candy" please. |
| 22:09.43 | alterego | endorphinum, it's a perfect size yeah. |
| 22:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | 12 is fine on my eyes. |
| 22:10.24 | endorphinum | alter: that sounds great as i certainly will need that space for interviews with software developers or "bigger stories" |
| 22:11.19 | alterego | Ignore K`zan he's being a kill joy. Eye candy is good for quite a few reasons. It makes interfaces and applications feel more polished. Which makes the whole product better. |
| 22:11.33 | endorphinum | The ubuntu ezine is superb! But due to my "background" and my aim, i am missing the more entertaining and lifestyle stuff. But i love the design and the way they use to work out with the text sizes. not bad!!! |
| 22:11.35 | alterego | There is nothing wrong with UI refinement and eye candy. Though, there are limits to everything of course. |
| 22:13.36 | endorphinum | As i mentioned, i do not own a n800. Would be great if you could answer me this question: i was thinking about a "new wallpapers" column and as the ezine is 800x480 the presented wallpapers will fit like it would already be installed on the background. My question is: can i make a simple link to a jpg file on the web if someone chooses a wallpaper? I mean, is it something like "save this jpg as background"? |
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| 22:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | They'd have to save it, then selected it as their background. |
| 22:14.20 | alterego | I think not .. |
| 22:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not particularly difficult, you just can't do it directly from the browser. |
| 22:14.41 | endorphinum | general: thanks a lot! |
| 22:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia == cellphones |
| 22:14.59 | endorphinum | alter: with all that stuff you are close to the n850 ;) |
| 22:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Let's hope not. |
| 22:15.13 | endorphinum | yeah |
| 22:15.42 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, my point exactly. If these devices were made by some other company. Hell, even if they were made by Sony Ericson I doubt people would be so whiney over "mobile phone" capability. |
| 22:15.43 | acydlord | if the tablet was intel powered i wouldnt buy it |
| 22:15.51 | alterego | What does that even mean? Do they just want GSM? |
| 22:15.52 | acydlord | not a big fan of unfair business practices |
| 22:16.00 | alterego | Or do they want EDGE, GPRS et al aswell .. |
| 22:16.12 | acydlord | edge, ew |
| 22:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't mind if they had a cellular maemo device, just as long Nokia still had another option without a cellular radio that was cheaper, better, stronger, and faster. ;) |
| 22:16.43 | alterego | :) |
| 22:17.01 | acydlord | well the openmoko is very similar to a cellular maemo device |
| 22:17.03 | |R | with free daft punk samples? :P |
| 22:17.08 | alterego | I'd rather leave my phone at home than my tablet .. |
| 22:17.20 | acydlord | lol, funny as i am listening to daft punk right now |
| 22:17.33 | alterego | openmoko isn't really like a cellular maemo device. |
| 22:17.38 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, depends on where I'm going. :P |
| 22:17.56 | alterego | It's like a open source based cellular device .. |
| 22:18.07 | alterego | Maemo is an open source internet tablet based platform. |
| 22:18.15 | alterego | They're different form factors really .. |
| 22:18.21 | endorphinum | i luv maemo - though i have not worked on it by now :) |
| 22:18.38 | acydlord | they are different form factors, but the sdk is very similar |
| 22:18.57 | alterego | Does openmoko use scratchbox? |
| 22:19.07 | alterego | You're basing two different platforms on the tools they use? |
| 22:19.11 | alterego | O_o |
| 22:19.33 | endorphinum | Ok guys, i will leave now. Wish you a pleasent day/night and thanks again for your support. I will inform you through this channel as soon as the first issue of "atarashi" goes online, what i think will be at the beginning of January 2008. |
| 22:19.34 | alterego | Symbian uses GCC .. |
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| 22:19.53 | alterego | endorphinum, I look forward to reading it. |
| 22:20.44 | endorphinum | alterego: thanks a lot. See ya. |
| 22:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, alterego. |
| 22:22.36 | alterego | I'm sorry, if I seem grouchy it's because I've not had much sleep the past couple of days :) |
| 22:23.04 | alterego | My ISP sucks and I'm doing a bittorrent through an SSH tunnel. |
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| 22:25.42 | acydlord | sorry, wasnt paying attention to this chanel |
| 22:26.31 | alterego | Well, you're here now. That's what counts. |
| 22:26.34 | acydlord | i had just remembered hearing early on in the openmoko project that it was inspired by maemo |
| 22:26.49 | alterego | Oh, so they're ripping us off now :P |
| 22:27.04 | alterego | To be honest, I've not looked into openmoko. |
| 22:27.08 | acydlord | and i know most of the software is easy to port between the 2 |
| 22:27.26 | alterego | I think openmoko will probably get killed by android .. |
| 22:27.42 | alterego | Though, I don't know why .. |
| 22:27.55 | alterego | Who'd want to code everything in Java? .. |
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| 22:28.26 | alterego | I guess all of those naive students google rip out of college ^_^ |
| 22:29.02 | acydlord | lol |
| 22:30.13 | acydlord | i missed the local barcamp yesterday, i guess google phoenix was the sponsor for the food |
| 22:30.50 | alterego | Google are evil. |
| 22:30.54 | acydlord | indeed |
| 22:31.12 | alterego | In 10 more years I predict there will be a google concentration camp in every major city on the planet. |
| 22:31.20 | alterego | Full of Java and JScript coders. |
| 22:31.29 | acydlord | i dont know how a company can claim their motto is do no evil when they keep logs of everything and index everyone's files for them |
| 22:32.00 | acydlord | lol, no longer paying students fresh out of college, just ganking them |
| 22:32.19 | halley | acydlord, "Ford: Quality is Job One." |
| 22:32.28 | alterego | They'll probably call it "work experience" or "aprenticeship" or something .. |
| 22:32.31 | acydlord | lol, forgot about that one |
| 22:32.37 | acydlord | lol |
| 22:32.41 | alterego | But we'll all know they're concentration camps .. |
| 22:32.49 | acydlord | i have a deal with ASU so i can get free work / interns |
| 22:33.03 | Astro | acydlord: isn't this better than a company doing this while they obviously do evil? |
| 22:33.09 | alterego | You want to work for nothing over summer? Good for you. |
| 22:33.28 | acydlord | i mean i get interns from asu |
| 22:33.32 | acydlord | free workers |
| 22:33.47 | alterego | Oh, hahah. |
| 22:34.01 | alterego | What's your business? |
| 22:34.50 | acydlord | i was doing network security consulting |
| 22:35.00 | acydlord | but i was using the interns for web design and development |
| 22:35.14 | acydlord | cause i still had a few contracts from that that i didn't want to work on anymore |
| 22:35.39 | alterego | Nice, |
| 22:35.53 | alterego | I wish I could get free labour. Would make my life a lot easier. |
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| 22:36.56 | acydlord | just pester the local colleges |
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| 22:38.55 | alterego | Neah, I'm not that needy. |
| 22:39.09 | alterego | I'd feel guilty too. I got paid loads when I was at college. |
| 22:39.30 | pupnik | facebook.com is worth almost as much as ford motors |
| 22:39.36 | pupnik | but am OT |
| 22:39.48 | alterego | I'd like to build up a task force eventually. But I don't make enough money. And I don't have any one that I can trust for the sorts of things I need help doing ^_^ |
| 22:39.58 | alterego | (I've got very strict standards) :) |
| 22:40.02 | acydlord | i see |
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| 22:41.07 | alterego | I'm also greedy. Even though I'm pretty well off and get paid, well, "enough". I could probably afford help every now-and-again. |
| 22:41.25 | jubei | does anyone know how to fix networking for the sdk, so it will actually use dns |
| 22:41.55 | alterego | jubei, you probably need to copy across some config files from your host install. (resolv.conf) |
| 22:42.01 | alterego | maybe nsswitch.conf too .. |
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| 23:21.22 | |R | http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf |
| 23:21.23 | |R | w-t-f |
| 23:21.45 | |R | ogg proprietary? |
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| 23:28.50 | lopz | bye |
| 23:29.29 | |R | Why is it that every big corp has one part smoking crack while the other is on LSD? |
| 23:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, dunno, |R. |
| 23:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | Sad thing, though, isn't it? |
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| 23:46.26 | |R | GeneralAntilles : indeed... |
| 23:46.45 | |R | They miss a good free software advocate in the maemo group or something... |
| 23:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on using PDFs when it's absolutely unnecessary? :\ |
| 23:50.08 | |R | and flash... |
| 23:50.22 | |R | And docs, and wmv, and ... uhm :) |
| 23:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | You can't even get usable text out of a PDF |
| 23:50.45 | derf | halley: Around? |
| 23:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | The encoding is always screwed up. |
| 23:50.52 | |R | yeah :/ |
| 23:50.58 | |R | give me you latex source! |
| 23:51.05 | |R | (oh wait, people use GUI ;) |
| 23:51.12 | |R | s/you/your |
| 23:51.17 | GeneralAntilles | Adobe freaking designed Acrobat to be contrary. |
| 23:51.17 | derf | You can view LaTeX in a GUI. |
| 23:51.24 | |R | derf : klyx? :) |
| 23:51.34 | GeneralAntilles | "Oh, you want this in RTF?" |
| 23:51.36 | derf | Or gvim. |
| 23:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | "Let me hard-wrap everything for you." |
| 23:51.41 | |R | haha ;) |
| 23:52.37 | derf | It's better if you just think of a PDF as a bunch of TIFF files with really good compression. |
| 23:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:53.17 | |R | :) |
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| 23:54.35 | halley | derf, aye. |
| 23:56.48 | derf | halley: Try the new gjiten_2.6-1maemo_armel.deb |
| 23:57.03 | halley | Isn't that the same version number? |
| 23:57.04 | derf | You should be able to close and reopen the radical window now. |
| 23:57.17 | derf | Of course, this is not a release. |
| 23:57.31 | halley | So I uninstall then install, right? |
| 23:57.51 | derf | I think if you dpkg -i it'll do that for you. |
| 23:58.28 | derf | I'll do a formal release with a nice chinook repository set up later. |
| 23:58.56 | halley | I tried replacing the icon but it still draws the new 50x50 one at 26x26 (the old size). Weird. |
| 23:58.58 | derf | You also should be able to click on the spin buttons for stroke count, etc., without it incrementing two or three times now. |
| 23:59.06 | halley | Trying now... |
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| 23:59.57 | derf | If you find any other issues, let me know. |
