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| 00:26.08 | JZA | hey |
| 00:26.09 | JZA | people |
| 00:26.12 | JZA | anyone here |
| 00:26.24 | JZA | I want to know how to force install a ncurses-bin |
| 00:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | base or bin . . . |
| 00:26.57 | JZA | bin |
| 00:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | one of them collides with busybox |
| 00:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall which one |
| 00:27.14 | JZA | yeah that is the problem |
| 00:27.18 | JZA | this is the package: |
| 00:27.18 | JZA | ncurses-bin_5.5-1mh2_armel.deb |
| 00:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | One of them you don't want. |
| 00:27.31 | JZA | check the output if I want to force install |
| 00:27.31 | JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056 |
| 00:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | The one that collides with busybox is evilbad |
| 00:28.00 | JZA | I see so where can I find the other one |
| 00:28.08 | JZA | is there an ncurses-base |
| 00:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | -bin is the evil one |
| 00:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | get rid of it |
| 00:28.49 | JZA | I see |
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| 00:30.12 | JZA | GeneralAntilles: I still get the same error |
| 00:30.25 | JZA | are you confusing libncurses wiht ncurses |
| 00:30.50 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | ncurses-base is the one you want |
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| 00:31.32 | JZA | yeah I did that |
| 00:32.27 | JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258303 |
| 00:49.57 | JZA | how can I search with apt-get |
| 00:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | regex |
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| 01:19.36 | halley | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:19.42 | halley | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.42 | halley | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.43 | halley | E: Broken packages |
| 01:25.26 | derf | OS 2008? |
| 01:25.39 | halley | It's a 2007 package trying to go onto 2008. |
| 01:25.46 | derf | I know. I wrote the package. |
| 01:26.27 | derf | I haven't installed 2008 yet. |
| 01:26.27 | halley | Hm, I wrote an email to TT, are you he? |
| 01:26.27 | derf | That's me. |
| 01:26.27 | derf | I haven't gotten it yet, unless you sent it a while ago. |
| 01:26.40 | JZA | is 2008 out yet for N800? |
| 01:26.44 | halley | A couple days ago. |
| 01:26.52 | halley | JZA, beta. |
| 01:27.52 | JZA | ok |
| 01:27.54 | halley | derf, I hope you can maybe install the 800 sdk on your pc at least. maemocjk is basically working now, so a dict is my last "must have". |
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| 01:28.48 | Rask330 | Funny little problem here... I have a certificate I'm trying to add to the certificate manager, but it goes into "authorities", even though it's not an authority. |
| 01:30.30 | derf | Unless you were "special hinshitsu no brand shina no, kakuyasu hanbai shop!" I don't see it. |
| 01:31.01 | derf | halley: I'll try to find time to do it tomorrow. |
| 01:31.28 | halley | arigatou gozaimasu! |
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| 01:33.20 | Rask330 | Do any of you guys know where maemo hides the certificates in the filesystem? ^^; |
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| 01:34.26 | Vulcanis | [20:26:40] <halley> A couple days ago. -- do you know when the official release will be? |
| 01:34.48 | halley | derf, I sent you two to xiph.org - first one calling you Terry, second correcting. |
| 01:35.03 | halley | Vulcanis, "A couple days ago" was not related to OS2008 on N800. |
| 01:35.18 | Vulcanis | Ah, thought it was. Hehe. It was followed with 'a beta'. |
| 01:35.29 | halley | I have no idea when. |
| 01:35.43 | halley | The beta IS related to N800. |
| 01:37.33 | Vulcanis | yes, I had assumed that. But the top one made me think you were answering him earlier. I knew the beta was out, but did not know when, I had bought my tablet two days ago. |
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| 01:44.24 | derf | halley: Oh, I actually _did_ see that... but I only got the second one. |
| 01:44.49 | halley | Heh, so you were left wondering. |
| 01:45.07 | derf | But I'm sure something else distracted me and I forgot all about it. |
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| 01:59.36 | SignalN800 | hi guys |
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| 03:17.04 | Luria | what kind of push email support is there for the n800/10? |
| 03:27.13 | fysa | imap/pop3 |
| 03:27.51 | fysa | few different apps |
| 03:29.08 | Luria | right, but im looking for push |
| 03:29.25 | Luria | even imap idle would do |
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| 03:42.57 | TheFool2 | anyone here ever bother to teach the n770 etc your handwriting? |
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| 04:23.48 | pupnik | moohoo |
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| 04:44.29 | lopz | re |
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| 04:48.16 | doublec | minefield with the <video> implementation builds under maemo |
| 04:48.36 | doublec | unfortunately I don't have os2008 on my device yet to test |
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| 06:42.06 | skibur_ | hello |
| 06:43.14 | foods | hi skibur_ |
| 06:43.39 | skibur_ | do you have a n800? |
| 06:44.17 | foods | yeah I have four of them, they are great |
| 06:44.29 | celesteh | fours of them? |
| 06:44.38 | skibur_ | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1197095918&sr=1-1 |
| 06:44.40 | foods | yeah, i'm a true collector |
| 06:44.50 | skibur_ | does that keyboard work for N800? |
| 06:44.50 | celesteh | one in every jacket pocket? |
| 06:44.59 | foods | yes it works skibur_ |
| 06:45.03 | astro76 | skibur_, yes it's great |
| 06:45.12 | skibur_ | 29.99? |
| 06:45.15 | astro76 | skibur_, get it quick before the price goes down |
| 06:45.20 | skibur_ | 80% saving? |
| 06:45.24 | astro76 | indeed |
| 06:45.30 | foods | US marketing trick :) |
| 06:45.40 | astro76 | yeah they adjust the MSRP often |
| 06:45.41 | foods | giving you the idea of making a fantastic deal |
| 06:45.59 | astro76 | still it's over half off what it was |
| 06:46.10 | skibur_ | :) |
| 06:46.23 | celesteh | it's also a lot cheaper than i've seen keyboards like that in the eu |
| 06:46.33 | skibur_ | is that the best keyboard yet? |
| 06:46.33 | astro76 | and fully BT HID keyboard compliant |
| 06:47.05 | glass_ | it's a very nice kb |
| 06:47.10 | glass_ | batts last forever |
| 06:47.13 | glass_ | or at least seem to |
| 06:47.15 | skibur_ | hum... |
| 06:47.16 | astro76 | skibur_, I'm entirely pleased with it |
| 06:47.23 | skibur_ | cool |
| 06:47.29 | glass_ | with 770 it was very pleasant, just open and start typing |
| 06:47.30 | skibur_ | purchasing now |
| 06:47.31 | skibur_ | :P |
| 06:49.41 | skibur_ | What about the thinkoutside Stowaway keyboard |
| 06:49.48 | astro76 | the full sized? |
| 06:49.51 | skibur_ | is it the same as the iGo? |
| 06:50.20 | astro76 | yeah igo is thinkoutside now |
| 06:50.26 | astro76 | there's the stowaway and stowaway ultra-slim |
| 06:50.39 | astro76 | stowaway is twice as thick folded, has 3 hinges instead of 1, and doesn't lock in the middle |
| 06:50.48 | astro76 | but has fifth row for number keys |
| 06:51.04 | zoran | 12'' laptop could do the same |
| 06:51.52 | skibur_ | iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim Bluetooth Keyboard |
| 06:51.59 | skibur_ | is smaller |
| 06:52.42 | glass_ | stowaway sierra has a numbers row tho |
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| 06:52.56 | glass_ | ah you mentioned then |
| 06:53.16 | glass_ | the biggest problem with the kb there was a link some lines ago is the lack of numbers row |
| 06:53.37 | glass_ | takes time to adjust to using terminal with it |
| 06:53.37 | astro76 | you need to use the left Fn key for the numbers |
| 06:53.51 | astro76 | a couple of other keys are in odd positions, but it's mostly standard |
| 06:54.11 | glass_ | having to press the fn key isn't as bad as having to press "wrong" buttons for the numbers |
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| 06:54.20 | glass_ | and special chars |
| 06:54.34 | astro76 | yeah indeed, the symbols are on the correct numbers too |
| 06:55.05 | skibur_ | overall, the Ultra-Slim is great |
| 06:55.44 | astro76 | and for $30 it's a no-brainer |
| 06:56.09 | glass_ | yeah |
| 06:56.12 | glass_ | a real bargain |
| 06:56.18 | skibur_ | ok |
| 06:56.20 | skibur_ | done |
| 06:56.27 | skibur_ | will arrive Monday |
| 06:56.28 | skibur_ | :P |
| 06:56.31 | glass_ | hehe |
| 06:56.35 | astro76 | woohoo :p |
| 06:56.41 | skibur_ | lol |
| 06:56.51 | glass_ | i should dig up mine from the closet |
| 06:56.57 | glass_ | for some quake on n95 |
| 06:57.02 | skibur_ | lol |
| 06:59.11 | Luria | wow |
| 06:59.16 | Luria | much cheaper these days |
| 06:59.44 | glass_ | yeah |
| 06:59.48 | Luria | my decision now is what cellphone to get |
| 06:59.50 | glass_ | was 100+ when i got it |
| 06:59.57 | Luria | yeah, sucks to be us |
| 07:00.06 | glass_ | well it was a number of years ago |
| 07:00.23 | glass_ | 2.5y or something |
| 07:00.24 | Luria | mine was bought in july (though b&m) |
| 07:00.37 | astro76 | I can't figure why amazon is selling it so cheap... but am not complaining |
| 07:00.46 | glass_ | astro76: probably phasing it out |
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| 07:00.57 | Luria | sigh i love the htc tilt |
| 07:00.57 | glass_ | like said, it isn't exactly a new model |
| 07:01.24 | glass_ | wm phone is a bit of a waste with a maemo device |
| 07:01.28 | Luria | i know |
| 07:01.30 | Luria | i know |
| 07:01.46 | Luria | but, it is one of the few phones with triband hsdpa |
| 07:02.01 | Luria | and i may need push email |
| 07:02.20 | glass_ | it has both usa and europe freqs hsdpa? |
| 07:02.27 | Luria | yeah it has 2100mhz |
| 07:02.29 | glass_ | ah yeah |
| 07:02.34 | glass_ | well |
| 07:02.39 | glass_ | how oftern will you 3g roam? |
| 07:02.45 | glass_ | and afford it too... |
| 07:03.03 | Luria | i dunno, but if i do it would be a business expense |
| 07:03.22 | glass_ | biggest problem with 3g is that roaming is in generally expensive |
| 07:03.28 | Luria | but i need a 3.6mb 3g device that does push |
| 07:03.40 | Luria | and there are few options outside of wm phones |
| 07:04.04 | Luria | if the n800 had a push email client i would use the k850i |
| 07:04.25 | Luria | which is one of the few non smartphones to do 3.6mb triband |
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| 07:05.56 | Luria | sigh... all i really want is a b/w quad gsm, intl 3g, phone that is 70% battery |
| 07:06.11 | Luria | and a push email client for maemo :-) |
| 07:06.22 | Luria | i would be very happy |
| 07:06.26 | glass_ | don't forget you might want edge and not all phones that do gsm and 3g don't have it |
| 07:06.35 | Luria | true |
| 07:06.47 | glass_ | double negative |
| 07:06.54 | glass_ | i blame it on it being so early |
| 07:07.12 | Luria | dont worry, i grokked |
| 07:07.22 | Luria | most do, btw |
| 07:07.28 | glass_ | yeah |
| 07:07.32 | Luria | esp the tribands because of europe |
| 07:07.46 | glass_ | se at one point had a habit of not doing it |
| 07:07.47 | Luria | excuse me, other way around |
| 07:08.06 | Luria | because of the us, where edge is more coverage than hsdpa |
| 07:08.23 | glass_ | outside of cities it's hard to find 3g here(finland) |
| 07:08.27 | glass_ | edge is pretty much everywhere |
| 07:08.34 | glass_ | in the woods, in island outskirts.. |
| 07:08.45 | Luria | well, 95% of the rest of my life will be in nyc :-) |
| 07:08.47 | glass_ | i'm on 3g now btw |
| 07:09.09 | Luria | what phone? |
| 07:09.12 | glass_ | n95 |
| 07:09.20 | glass_ | tethered to laptop |
| 07:09.23 | glass_ | via bt |
| 07:09.32 | glass_ | almost as good as cheap dsl |
| 07:09.41 | Luria | i would get a symbian nokia if they put good 3g modems in them |
| 07:10.00 | glass_ | i only got 384kbps enabled on my plan |
| 07:10.07 | glass_ | tops out at 40kbyte/s or so |
| 07:10.16 | Luria | up or down? |
| 07:10.19 | glass_ | down |
| 07:10.20 | glass_ | dunno up |
| 07:10.26 | glass_ | haven't tested really |
| 07:10.37 | astro76 | that's typical upstream in the US |
| 07:10.40 | Luria | att is 384/3.6m |
| 07:10.48 | glass_ | pings are around 120-160ms now |
| 07:10.52 | Luria | wow |
| 07:11.00 | glass_ | they used to be higher than 200+ |
| 07:11.02 | Luria | no voip then :-) |
| 07:11.16 | glass_ | but they did something for the network las tyear |
| 07:11.31 | glass_ | 2mbit/s is highest they offer here |
| 07:11.47 | glass_ | but 384 is like 10 euros/month |
| 07:12.22 | glass_ | 3dge pings are 250-350 or so |
| 07:12.27 | glass_ | grhh.. edge |
| 07:12.28 | Luria | http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&w=s&wor=r&g8r=r&f38r=r&f30r=r&f30_12=y&f30_13=y |
| 07:12.31 | Luria | short list |
| 07:12.47 | Luria | and shorter when you do triband hsdpa |
| 07:13.07 | glass_ | yeah nokia doesn't have too many usa freq phones anyways |
| 07:13.13 | glass_ | usa 3g freqs |
| 07:13.33 | glass_ | n95-nam, some other n-series and thats it i think |
| 07:13.46 | Luria | yeah, ive only seen them at the nokia store |
| 07:13.54 | Luria | (ie flagship nyc) |
| 07:14.32 | glass_ | (i'm a symbian freak via hobby-turned-to-work so i don't know that much outside of them) |
| 07:15.17 | Luria | i take it that no one knows of a push (or even imap idle) client for maemo? |
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| 07:16.53 | glass_ | imap idle i'd imagine there being |
| 07:17.02 | glass_ | but keeping your n800 powered up 100% of time.. |
| 07:17.20 | Luria | why not? the mail client polls on wifi |
| 07:17.32 | Luria | enough for 10hours of on time |
| 07:18.06 | glass_ | will the wifi last for 10 hours when on? |
| 07:18.19 | Luria | yeah, if its just idling |
| 07:18.22 | glass_ | ok's |
| 07:18.41 | Luria | 3 hours of hard use will kill it |
| 07:19.34 | glass_ | tinymail supports push? |
| 07:21.21 | Ed77 | hi, Can anybody answer gtk and maemo programming questions here? |
| 07:22.42 | Luria | glass_, it does? |
| 07:24.23 | glass_ | Luria: they have demos of it on their webpage at least |
| 07:24.36 | Luria | yeah i see that |
| 07:24.48 | Luria | that would be hot for the stack email to handle it for me |
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| 07:49.19 | Anastasia | I see maemo.org is dead in the water again :-(. |
| 07:49.28 | Anastasia | Finished up my USB Power injector tonight, should be able to test some USB stuff now. |
| 07:49.34 | vlad_ | works fine here? |
| 07:49.48 | Anastasia | Damnifiknow, it is flakey as hell here. |
| 07:50.04 | Anastasia | memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211. |
| 07:50.28 | Anastasia | About the 4th try. |
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| 07:51.34 | Anastasia | Same thing on main, 2007 and 2008 pages. It will probably work when I get up in the morning, usually does. |
| 07:52.02 | Anastasia | Early morning or late night has been best for it, now it looks like *maybe* early morning... |
| 08:12.36 | Anastasia | Night folks! |
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| 09:07.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:40.06 | limepi | would it be possible to stream video from os x to an n800 |
| 09:40.22 | limepi | over wifi |
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| 13:26.31 | jsnewby | Hi all, I have a question regarding gpesyncd which I would appreciate some help with |
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| 13:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | The best strategy is to just ask away, jsnewby. |
| 13:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody knows the answer, they will give it to you. |
| 13:51.09 | jsnewby | heh thanks |
| 13:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | If not, ask again in a few hours. |
| 13:52.47 | jsnewby | I'm just got an N800, and want to retire my palm pilot. I've installed the GPE apps and am trying to write an Apple synchronisation service client to mediate between the two. When I try to connect to the socket after running gpesyncd -d, I get this error when writing a vcard: Error: syntax error (missing attribute name/group) |
| 13:52.55 | jsnewby | I do not get this error when using ssh |
| 13:54.17 | jsnewby | anyone have any magic to suggest? |
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| 15:42.47 | TheFool2 | What has been going on in this channel recently? All I see is people entering and leaving, no conversations. |
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| 15:43.11 | halley | Er, Saturday AM? |
| 15:43.39 | TheFool2 | I guess, but the last few days I haven't really seen anyone on |
| 15:44.07 | halley | They're out shopping? |
| 15:44.18 | zoran | that means all problems were solved |
| 15:44.30 | TheFool2 | zoran: that must be it! |
| 15:44.34 | TheFool2 | :) |
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| 15:46.13 | TheFool2 | I have heard a lot of talk about how bad the handwriting recognition is for the tablets, but I finally started playing with it today. It sucks by default, but if you disable all of their preset characters and teach it only yours it actually seems to work quite well |
| 15:46.59 | TheFool2 | The only problem I am having is I want to reteach the punctuation, and I can't figure out how to do that |
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| 15:57.11 | halley | How can I remove the original items from the panels/menus? I don't want the gizmo,skype,rhapsody icons clogging the menu. |
| 15:57.22 | halley | For those items, the menu organizer disables 'Delete'. |
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| 15:58.15 | DM| | I was looking on buying the N810, it can do stuff other than music/internet/gps right? you can treat it like a PDA? |
| 15:58.33 | glass_ | anything you can find an app for |
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| 15:58.38 | kulve | DM|: how do you want to treat your PDA? |
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| 15:59.04 | DM| | calender syncing, to do lists , calcs, maybe even a LITTLE spreadsheet ? |
| 15:59.12 | zerojay | I wanna treat my tablet like a whore. |
| 15:59.28 | DM| | maybe even an IRC app ?? |
| 15:59.32 | glass_ | zerojay: pay it to fuck up and then forget it in some sleazy motel? |
| 15:59.43 | zerojay | You got it. |
| 16:00.00 | kulve | DM|: I use it ircing with xterm+ssh. Works very well. |
| 16:00.11 | zerojay | You can also use XChat. |
| 16:00.19 | kulve | DM|: I know there are calendar, todo, spreadsheet, but I don't know too much about those.. |
| 16:00.20 | DM| | .... So it has a terminal ? |
| 16:00.27 | kulve | DM|: sure |
| 16:00.33 | DM| | sweet |
| 16:00.36 | kulve | comes with the 2008 even |
| 16:00.49 | zerojay | 2008 has it included by default. |
| 16:00.55 | kulve | although it's not as good as the other version.. |
| 16:01.01 | kulve | (imo) |
| 16:01.37 | kulve | DM|: try google "gpe calendar maemo".. Maybe that tells you more about that.. |
| 16:01.46 | DM| | thanks : P |
| 16:02.13 | DM| | Oooh it will be interesting to SSH to my server and do shit without having to lug my laptop around |
| 16:02.57 | kulve | DM|: interesting indeed. I had to debug exim4 issues with the n800's virtual keyboard once. Not very convenient.. |
| 16:03.33 | DM| | N810 has a qwerty though :) and i wouldnt buy a N800 |
| 16:03.42 | DM| | qwerty is the big selling point for me |
| 16:03.54 | kulve | yeah, the qwerty is probably a lot nicer for typing |
| 16:04.56 | zoran | pen is not so bad as it looks |
| 16:05.45 | TheFool2 | kulve: what worries me about the 810 keyboard is that top row |
| 16:06.02 | DM| | Ive had the pen on my PDAs and smartphone, i hate vkeyboards |
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| 16:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft, the thumbboard is the shit. |
| 16:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | 40wpm average. |
| 16:10.49 | zoran | w == word ? |
| 16:10.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 16:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | world? |
| 16:11.03 | zoran | not bad |
| 16:11.07 | zoran | :) |
| 16:11.09 | kulve | and how much with the vkb? |
| 16:11.12 | kulve | 2? |
| 16:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered to benchmark |
| 16:11.21 | zoran | ah, more |
| 16:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | Probably 20-ish |
| 16:11.32 | zoran | about |
| 16:11.42 | kulve | so, the thumbone is like twice as fast.. |
| 16:11.42 | GeneralAntilles | I can thumb the vkb pretty well, too. |
| 16:11.58 | GeneralAntilles | AND I still have 2 SD slots. |
| 16:12.41 | zoran | full size kb is better. nokia solution would be to make user smaller. |
| 16:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware keyboard is a waste. |
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| 16:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | Unless I can touch-type on it, it's not worth it. |
| 16:13.52 | zoran | there is some project of "projecting" kb on the table |
| 16:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | That's more garbage. |
| 16:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | Have you actually used one? |
| 16:14.09 | zoran | never |
| 16:14.17 | zoran | and don't want |
| 16:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | I have—garbage. :) |
| 16:14.32 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: maybe you should just buy a laptop and be happy with it.. |
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| 17:59.02 | *** topic/#maemo is "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html" |
| 17:59.08 | L0cutus | truent_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103846&postcount=1 |
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| 18:01.20 | truent_ | lol i guess i'll rewrite an os2008 version |
| 18:01.27 | truent_ | the one i got works great |
| 18:01.28 | truent_ | ;p |
| 18:02.54 | truent_ | does os2008 use session bus ? |
| 18:03.41 | L0cutus | ok, ported also 'less' |
| 18:04.17 | L0cutus | http://www.zamprogno.it/files/os2008/less_382-1_armel.deb |
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| 18:05.18 | ywwg | can someone help me install libgtkmozembed on chinoook scratchbox? |
| 18:10.35 | truent_ | L0cutus, thanks for the info, i'll have to revamp to be os2008 compatible |
| 18:14.21 | K`zan | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ - gotta get me one of those :-)! |
| 18:14.35 | ywwg | I can apt-get the source for libgtkmozembed but it can't find the package itself |
| 18:14.48 | ywwg | and if I try to build the source... there is no source included! |
| 18:15.14 | ywwg | and of course no readme on how to build it |
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| 18:16.11 | ywwg | there's some sort of moz cvs fetcher script, but there's clearly some sort of undocumented process to build it |
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| 18:17.45 | L0cutus | thanks to you truent_ :) keep me informed, i'm interested to pan on my n800+htc tytn |
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| 18:36.22 | L0cutus | mmm i need more info on deb packages... |
| 18:38.06 | L0cutus | i don't know how to set a dependency, nor how to build a deb library |
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| 18:56.11 | LoCusF | fortunately its not that hard |
| 18:58.44 | L0cutus | L0cutus, can you point me to some 'simple' howto ? |
| 18:59.36 | L0cutus | LoCusF, can you point me to some 'simple' howto ? |
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| 19:57.14 | Tu13es | what does OS2008 offer over 2007? |
| 19:57.34 | toresbe | 1 |
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| 19:57.37 | Vulcanis | it ups the CPU speed to 400mhz, for one thing |
| 19:57.37 | toresbe | :) |
| 19:57.49 | Vulcanis | which means youtube videos are now bearable. |
| 19:57.56 | toresbe | are they? Neato. |
| 19:58.00 | Tu13es | does that kill battery life? |
| 19:58.14 | Vulcanis | not as far as I can tell |
| 19:58.28 | toresbe | nope |
| 19:58.32 | Vulcanis | The only downside, is it only has about a fourth of the apps ported to it. |
| 19:59.07 | Tu13es | interesting |
| 19:59.14 | Tu13es | I bought an iTouch so I haven't used my n800 in a few months |
| 19:59.36 | bodhammer | Hi - still looking for some help getting clisp running. I have done the following: http://nopaste.codersnet.org/pastes.php?view=124 Any suggestions on where to go from here? |
| 19:59.41 | Vulcanis | Itouch has the same processor speed as the n800 now |
| 19:59.50 | Tu13es | yep |
| 19:59.59 | toresbe | and the n800 doesn't suck :) |
| 20:00.02 | Vulcanis | and (I believe) the same amount of RAM |
| 20:00.11 | Tu13es | I never said the n800 sucked |
| 20:00.14 | Vulcanis | I know |
| 20:00.18 | Tu13es | the iTouch just did more of what I need |
| 20:00.33 | Vulcanis | Quake 2 on the faster processor will be fun. |
| 20:00.48 | Vulcanis | as far as I can tell, it already works, but I cannot run it because of a random error |
| 20:01.09 | Vulcanis | and the launcher app just hangs and then dies. |
| 20:01.52 | Vulcanis | wow |
| 20:01.55 | Vulcanis | and now that I said that |
| 20:01.56 | Vulcanis | it works. |
| 20:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, no battery life impact. |
| 20:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Battery life should actually be better if you useless lightly. |
| 20:03.50 | Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: cool. |
| 20:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | As it's CPU scaling now. |
| 20:04.02 | Vulcanis | Oh, guys, question |
| 20:04.11 | Vulcanis | the "x days idle", does that count wifi, or no? |
| 20:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | It does. |
| 20:04.22 | Vulcanis | Like, turn off & lock, butn ot offline |
| 20:04.31 | Vulcanis | So if I just turn off and lock it, it'll last the 8days or whatever? |
| 20:04.37 | Vulcanis | turn off screen* |
| 20:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, or so. |
| 20:05.17 | GeneralAntilles | You should really be plugging it in, though. |
| 20:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | Running down the battery is bad for it. |
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| 20:05.33 | Vulcanis | this is while I'm out and not near my charger. |
| 20:05.48 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Got my USB power injector done last night, just need to pot it and then I can check out various USB drvices! |
| 20:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff. |
| 20:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm way too lazy to bother with that. |
| 20:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | I just need to find an OTG cable and be done. |
| 20:06.40 | K`zan | Will put up a schematic and pix later today. Real ugly bug setup, but it appears to work (less actually testing it with a device). |
| 20:06.50 | Vulcanis | whats a BT kb you guys reccomend? |
| 20:06.56 | Vulcanis | One thats small/pocketsized when folded |
| 20:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | iGo |
| 20:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1197144428&sr=8-1 |
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| 20:07.29 | Vulcanis | Thanks. That looks good. |
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| 20:07.41 | Vulcanis | Wow |
| 20:07.42 | hugolp | whats the default user password? |
| 20:07.45 | Vulcanis | 120$ savings? |
| 20:07.45 | K`zan | got one coming here :-) |
| 20:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | rootme |
| 20:07.54 | hugolp | thanks |
| 20:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | But you either have to have R&D enabled or becomeroot installed. |
| 20:08.12 | Vulcanis | <3 gainroot |
| 20:08.13 | K`zan | Everything shipped from all over the country is already here, the stuff from Amazon (in town) is still not here :-/. |
| 20:08.34 | Vulcanis | So, guys, what apps should I have for OS2008? |
| 20:08.38 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I have installed becomeroot |
| 20:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | Then you're set, hugolp! |
| 20:08.45 | Vulcanis | ((I don't even really know the crucial OS2007 apps, I got the tablet three days ago |
| 20:08.47 | hugolp | and changed the password for the root user |
| 20:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just remember to change the password. |
| 20:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | Right-o |
| 20:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader, maemo mapper, and mplayer for starters. |
| 20:09.14 | Vulcanis | Mapper really that useful? |
| 20:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | ScummVM is fairly awesome if you have some Scumm stuff about |
| 20:09.26 | Vulcanis | I don't, but I may pirate that. |
| 20:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is fan-fucking-tastic. ;) |
| 20:09.35 | Vulcanis | Even without the GPS thinger? |
| 20:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's sorta like having Google Earth on the tablet |
| 20:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | so, yes. |
| 20:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | But pick yourself up a bluetooth GPS at your earliest convenience. |
| 20:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue is what I recommend. |
| 20:10.32 | Vulcanis | I don't really want the GPS for it |
| 20:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Xchat is another good one. |
| 20:10.42 | Vulcanis | xchat is on it... Heh, it was the first thing I got. |
| 20:10.45 | hugolp | if I do sudo su I get this Sorry, user is not allowed to execute /bin/su as root on Nokia-N800-44-4. |
| 20:10.48 | Tu13es | I'm debating not selling my n800 and keeping it for a GPS for my car |
| 20:10.55 | Vulcanis | hugolp: do sudo gainroot |
| 20:11.07 | hugolp | Vulcanis: its the only way? |
| 20:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, N810? |
| 20:11.17 | Vulcanis | pretty much, hugolp. |
| 20:11.29 | hugolp | Vulcanis: in OS2007 sudo su worked |
| 20:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | You have to add yourself to sudoers if you want to use the method you mentioned. |
| 20:11.53 | Tu13es | ? |
| 20:11.56 | mgedmin | sudo su is a strange way to spell sudo -s, isn't it? |
| 20:11.58 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: whats the comand for that? |
| 20:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | mmpc if you have an mpd server, Vulcanis. |
| 20:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | google it |
| 20:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | 'sudoers maemo' or 'sudoers n800' |
| 20:12.23 | Vulcanis | mpd? |
| 20:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, why sell the N800? |
| 20:12.30 | GeneralAntilles | music player daemon, Vulcanis. |
| 20:12.32 | Vulcanis | Ah. |
| 20:12.37 | GeneralAntilles | gpe-sudoku is fun. |
| 20:12.39 | Vulcanis | Do you know if Canola has been ported to '80 yet? |
| 20:12.42 | Vulcanis | 08* |
| 20:12.45 | Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I have an iPod Touch that I use now |
| 20:12.58 | Species8472 | N800 > iPod Touch |
| 20:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | Mauku if you have a Jaiku account. |
| 20:13.10 | Tu13es | eh, not what I need it for |
| 20:13.27 | Tu13es | but I'm not here to argue |
| 20:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | It works really well as a couch browser, Tu13es. |
| 20:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | Best ebook reader available. |
| 20:13.51 | Vulcanis | [15:12:57] <Species8472> N800 > iPod Touch -- Same processor, same ram... SAme storage with 2 8gb cards... Youtube is a tad crappier, though. Web browser is better. |
| 20:14.01 | Vulcanis | that is supporting Species8472 |
| 20:14.09 | Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I know what it can do |
| 20:14.13 | GeneralAntilles | Species8472 is a troll. |
| 20:14.22 | Tu13es | tbh I like the browser on the touch better, but that's just me |
| 20:14.38 | Vulcanis | doesn't have flash support. |
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| 20:14.47 | bodhammer | Is Java running yet on OS2008? |
| 20:15.03 | GeneralAntilles | Console only, bodhammer. |
| 20:15.16 | Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: Do you know if Canola has been brought to OS2008 yeT? |
| 20:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | Beta on the 12th |
| 20:15.31 | Tu13es | anyone have mClock installed? |
| 20:15.43 | Vulcanis | Hm. GeneralAntilles: Then can anything else work with Tversity? |
| 20:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | Media player should handle it fine. |
| 20:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | UPnP? |
| 20:16.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/index2.html |
| 20:18.10 | bodhammer | See post above, I need some help getting my project going - should I just start one at garage.maemo.org for clisp/SBCL? |
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| 20:19.51 | hugolp | btw becomeroot is a posible thread, anyone can get to my N800 install becomeroot and do what he wants |
| 20:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody has local access to your machine, there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 20:22.54 | hugolp | I see, canola looks good but its not open source yet, is it? |
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| 20:24.32 | Vulcanis | Canola is nice. |
| 20:25.19 | dragorn | if someone has access to your machine they can just reflash a kernel on it, too. Set a device pw if you're really paranoid. |
| 20:25.38 | |R | ok, seems like the code cannot be changed from EU to US... I'm screwed. |
| 20:26.19 | Vulcanis | which code? |
| 20:26.36 | |R | sorry, i meant developer discount program code.. |
| 20:27.46 | |R | i chose France as i didn't know back then that i could have a contact in the US |
| 20:28.10 | |R | but i don't want an azerty keyboard and only channels 10-13 where in Canada it's 10-11... that would leave me with 10-11 |
| 20:28.23 | |R | Unless the devices are not blocked and it's just the APs ? |
| 20:29.33 | Vulcanis | can't help you with that, sorry. |
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| 20:30.15 | |R | hehe no problems, I would need to find family in the UK pretty fast :P |
| 20:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | hugolp, yeah, I'm not sure why they feel the need to close it. |
| 20:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's Python, even, so they have to WORK to keep it closed. |
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| 20:34.55 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: and they recomend as well a closed upnp server |
| 20:35.07 | hugolp | guess they dont use open source and thats all |
| 20:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | There really aren't many good open ones available. |
| 20:35.19 | p| | re |
| 20:37.34 | Vulcanis | So, lock & turn off screen counts as 'idle' as the battery, right? |
| 20:38.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 20:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | There's a soft power-off mode that's available, too. |
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| 20:39.35 | GeneralAntilles | Basically lock, but it's single-button activation and you can have it toggle offline mode, too. |
| 20:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately completely broken with the current OS2008 release |
| 20:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | we may or may not see it fixed with the final. |
| 20:40.27 | Tu13es | I need to reinstall the OS to fix a repo problem - should I install 2008? |
| 20:41.57 | Vulcanis | Yeah, I saw softpoweroff was broken |
| 20:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 20:42.09 | Vulcanis | What does soft poweroff do, if you keep it from doing offline mode? |
| 20:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | Same as locking, essentially. |
| 20:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Just much more convenient. |
| 20:42.42 | derf | Keep you from having to hit two buttons. |
| 20:43.14 | Vulcanis | Pfft. |
| 20:43.25 | Vulcanis | So, I know I asked this before, but I was kinda unsure on the answers. |
| 20:43.33 | Vulcanis | If I turn off and lock, but do not go into offline mode |
| 20:43.42 | Vulcanis | Is that what is 'idle', or does that still count as in use. |
| 20:43.48 | Vulcanis | for what is on the battery meter |
| 20:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's idle, unless there's some rampant process eating all your cycles. |
| 20:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | Just setting it down on your desk and leaving it for 4 days is idle. |
| 20:44.19 | guerby | hi, I'm unable to find privoxy for OS2008, any idea? |
| 20:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's in extras, I think. |
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| 20:45.22 | Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but again, with the "Time left:" thing, is this the idle it is talking about, or is it only if it is offline mode. |
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| 20:45.48 | GeneralAntilles | The powersaving on the wifi is very good |
| 20:45.48 | guerby | GeneralAntilles, I have extra: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free |
| 20:45.59 | guerby | but app manager does not find it |
| 20:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | Leaving it connected is just about equivalent to turning it off. |
| 20:46.12 | Vulcanis | Mmm. |
| 20:46.13 | Vulcanis | Ok |
| 20:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it guerby. |
| 20:46.18 | Vulcanis | One more question... |
| 20:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | Search for it. |
| 20:46.36 | Vulcanis | How much more power does the 'autofind after 5 minutes' take up, instead of having autofind networks off |
| 20:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if it's connected to a network |
| 20:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | none |
| 20:46.57 | guerby | GeneralAntilles, thanks! I did not know this site |
| 20:47.12 | Vulcanis | Mmm, thanks. |
| 20:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | if you're walking (or driving) around and it's searching for networks, more than none. |
| 20:47.43 | Vulcanis | Right, but would it cause a huge drop in batterylife, or not? (This would be screen locked, still, but I'd like to be connected when I pull it out, if it is possible. |
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| 20:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on your use case |
| 20:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | If you're driving around doing errands, it's going to have an effect on battery life |
| 20:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | since it'll be searching (unsuccessfully) for known, usable networks every 5 minutes. |
| 20:49.18 | Vulcanis | Mmm, alright. |
| 20:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | If you go from home to work and back (and, perhaps, to a friend's) and all places have known, usable wifi, then no, it's not really going to impact battery life. |
| 20:53.08 | Vulcanis | thanks again. |
| 20:53.29 | derf | Well, I mean, once it finds a network it has to work to keep you connected to it. |
| 20:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | N800's power saving is incredibly good. |
| 20:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | There difference in power usage when sitting on a connection idling is pretty trivial as far as daily-use is concerned. |
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| 20:55.59 | derf | I guess I just spend too much time worrying about devices that can have at most milliwatt power consumptions. |
| 20:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like it. ;) |
| 20:56.37 | Vulcanis | So, other than canola, what players support TVersity? |
| 20:56.38 | K`zan | derf: I used to, but found my crank charger will charge it anywhere :). |
| 20:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Is TVersity UPnP, Vulcanis? |
| 20:57.03 | Vulcanis | I'll check, I don't think so. |
| 20:57.27 | Vulcanis | yes, it appears to be. |
| 20:57.30 | dev | GeneralAntilles: it is |
| 20:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | Then Media player will handle it just fine. |
| 20:58.12 | Vulcanis | Where in media player do I find the option to do it? |
| 20:58.26 | Vulcanis | haha. |
| 20:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be right at the top level of the library. |
| 20:58.31 | Vulcanis | Apparently it took restarting to find it |
| 20:58.32 | Vulcanis | yeah |
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| 21:05.41 | K`zan | Is there something that needs loading to get USB devices detected? |
| 21:05.55 | K`zan | ls /proc |
| 21:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't have the right pin grounded, then you need to force host mode somehow. |
| 21:07.10 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Power should be right, took the pins off a reguar USB cable which checked against what reference I found. |
| 21:07.32 | K`zan | Just plugged in a USB->serial converter and see nothing in dmesg... |
| 21:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | There's some specific grounding for switching from slave to host |
| 21:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently that's not grounded correctly |
| 21:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | so you gotta force it. |
| 21:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | There's probably something on the ITT wiki or the forums. |
| 21:08.14 | K`zan | Before I pot it I'd like to figure out what "grounded correctly" means :-). |
| 21:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | OTG cables are different from regular cables. |
| 21:08.34 | jabaro | why is it that if I try gcc -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 example_camera.c (c example from "How to Use Camera API") it fails? what else? |
| 21:08.48 | K`zan | Will try the USB ethernet thingie and see if that does anything... |
| 21:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have any first-hand experience, so I don't really know. |
| 21:08.54 | K`zan | OTG, making notes :) |
| 21:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just giving you the summary of what I've read. |
| 21:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Which is a lot. :P |
| 21:09.08 | K`zan | "OTG" ?!? |
| 21:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | On The Go |
| 21:09.20 | dragorn | 800 or 810? |
| 21:09.24 | K`zan | :-) ahead of me in that department :). |
| 21:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, this guy will know. :P |
| 21:09.38 | K`zan | n800 w/2008 for n800 |
| 21:09.45 | dragorn | The 800 uses a Mini-B which has to be custom-made to be grounded to mini-a in a mini-b shell, or you have to use /sys to kick it into host mode |
| 21:10.00 | dragorn | 810 uses a micro-ab which can take micro-a for host mode, and /sys didn't work (for me) |
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| 21:10.41 | dragorn | also as someone else pointed out (and I didn't believe until getting a multimeter), it only puts out 3.3 instead of 5v on USB in host mode so you might need to build a power injection cable, depending on the power draw of your device |
| 21:11.17 | K`zan | Got the power injector, no 5V to the n800, just signals and ground. |
| 21:11.37 | K`zan | 5V injected into whatever device is plugged in. |
| 21:11.37 | dragorn | you have to toggle it into host mode via /sys, I forget the file, find /sys -name mode |
| 21:11.49 | dragorn | it'll be in devices/something_usb/mode (or usb_something mode) |
| 21:11.56 | dragorn | echo 'host' to that file |
| 21:12.20 | dragorn | as far as the grounded pin,it has to be inside the mini-b end, it's the fifth pin there. |
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| 21:12.41 | dragorn | (and mini-a is a different physical connector, so you can't get a "proper" cable) |
| 21:13.37 | K`zan | dragorn: Thanks, making notes. I presume you mean /proc/devices... |
| 21:13.52 | dragorn | no, I think it's in /sys |
| 21:13.54 | K`zan | ls /proc/devices |
| 21:13.56 | dragorn | it's on ITT somewhere |
| 21:14.40 | K`zan | WIll go search, never have gotten my registration email from them :-(. |
| 21:15.01 | K`zan | Not lighting up the ethernet dongle :-(. |
| 21:15.09 | dragorn | it won't until you put it in host mode |
| 21:15.12 | K`zan | Ah |
| 21:15.14 | dragorn | client to client has no power |
| 21:15.26 | dragorn | it's /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
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| 21:16.06 | K`zan | Gonna have to tear up once of those connectors and get it right :). |
| 21:16.07 | dragorn | it'll also complain to you about the device being unsupported. it also might not light up on enumeration, and require a host drive |
| 21:16.20 | dragorn | good luck, they're tiny and sealed |
| 21:16.42 | dragorn | I'd just do it w/ sys |
| 21:17.25 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:17.25 | K`zan | b_idle |
| 21:17.57 | dragorn | yes. so echo host to it |
| 21:18.10 | K`zan | OK, trying that now :-). THanks! |
| 21:18.49 | K`zan | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:18.49 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:18.49 | K`zan | a_wait_bcon |
| 21:18.57 | K`zan | Hummm... |
| 21:19.12 | dragorn | try disconnecting/reconnecting the device |
| 21:19.20 | dragorn | the usb stuff isn't exactly stable |
| 21:19.41 | K`zan | disconnect / echo / replug? |
| 21:20.25 | K`zan | Not changing... |
| 21:20.48 | dragorn | might need too much power to enumerate |
| 21:21.27 | K`zan | Got 800mA on the power jack... |
| 21:21.36 | K`zan | Available |
| 21:21.42 | K`zan | Not pulling :) |
| 21:22.02 | dragorn | I don't think so, i think the chipset only provides around 200mA |
| 21:22.29 | K`zan | External wall wart supplying ONLY the plugged in device... |
| 21:23.06 | K`zan | Well, it changed with that one, went back to a_suspend when I echoed host to it. |
| 21:23.12 | K`zan | Well, it changed with that one, went to a_suspend when I echoed host to it. |
| 21:23.24 | l7_ | n |
| 21:23.24 | dragorn | If you're talking about the n800, then no, that doesn't imply it has more than 200mW on the usb port |
| 21:23.32 | dragorn | unless you mean you're powering the usb ethernet card |
| 21:23.48 | K`zan | I'm powering it, 5V line from the n800 is not connected. |
| 21:24.02 | K`zan | Just signals and ground to the n800. |
| 21:24.06 | dragorn | ah |
| 21:24.40 | K`zan | I think I am going to give this up, doesn't look promising with the devices I have(?!) |
| 21:25.09 | K`zan | doing the echo doesn't seem to take. |
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| 21:28.55 | dragorn | awesome, udev rules work for usb on os2008 |
| 21:30.33 | K`zan | Schematic for the injector: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI-2.pdf |
| 21:30.47 | dragorn | try something else |
| 21:30.53 | dragorn | like a keychain flash drive |
| 21:31.16 | dragorn | that should show up in the file manager if you have usb host working properly |
| 21:33.35 | K`zan | That lights up |
| 21:33.42 | K`zan | dmesg |
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| 21:35.05 | K`zan | Quite a list in dmesg on it, lemme see if I can mount /dev/sda |
| 21:35.47 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# mount /dev/sda1 /x |
| 21:35.47 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# ls /x |
| 21:35.47 | K`zan | TimeLine.txt gsf-1.odt vw001.sxw |
| 21:35.47 | K`zan | Transfusion-w1.odt howiwri1.pdf |
| 21:35.50 | K`zan | Cool! |
| 21:36.17 | K`zan | Appears to work for the SD reader! |
| 21:36.38 | ywwg | it woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorks! |
| 21:36.44 | K`zan | :-) |
| 21:37.04 | K`zan | ls -l /dev/sda |
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| 21:38.07 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:38.07 | K`zan | a_host |
| 21:38.30 | K`zan | Seems picky about what it will accept though :-). |
| 21:38.40 | djtansey | I have a question about maemo, specifically about its browser. Does it have any advanced offline-mode system so that websites can be used interactively between wifi connections and synced up later? |
| 21:38.42 | K`zan | umount /media/usb/sda1 |
| 21:39.59 | K`zan | Finds the serial dongle, but list mode as a_suspend... |
| 21:40.49 | K`zan | [97781.500000] usb 1-1: device v067b p2303 is not supported |
| 21:42.18 | K`zan | But not the SMC ethernet dongle. |
| 21:42.25 | GeneralAntilles | Not currently, djtansey. |
| 21:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | Most websites today that's impossible to do, though. |
| 21:42.42 | K`zan | OK, that was fun :-), now for brekky. |
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| 21:43.14 | djtansey | GeneralAntilles: thank you. good to know. do you happen to know of any emerging standards that would allow that? |
| 21:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, no. |
| 21:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | With AJAX and that nonsense? |
| 21:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 21:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | Better off just getting yourself a cellular data connection if you're going to be off wifi a lot. :) |
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| 21:44.36 | djtansey | I am planning to do that. Though I don't yet have a device. That happens when I get back from Nigeria. |
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| 21:45.46 | djtansey | I ask because I am interested in finding uses of the n800/n810 in the international development context, meaning to function as point of sale systems for micro-finance loans. I was hoping to have it all be web-based. But I guess it will have to be a local app that syncs independently |
| 21:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | That would be a lot more feasible. |
| 21:47.00 | Species8472 | My house is in fire, what should I do? |
| 21:48.01 | derf | Liveblog it. |
| 21:48.38 | Species8472 | I'm allergic for blogs |
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| 21:49.15 | Anastasia | Random reboot, I do so love fedora... |
| 21:49.25 | djtansey | GeneralAntilles, I suspect so. Thanks for your help. Any suggestions for someone looking for a crash course on Maemo development. I did GTK development for a few years from around 1999-2001, so I have some (obsolete) familiarity. |
| 21:49.33 | derf | I would think your allergies to extreme heat and air without oxygen would be more pressing problems. |
| 21:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 21:50.17 | Species8472 | Hi GeneralAntilles, nice website. |
| 21:50.22 | halley | Hm, the only port of kanjipad I can find is perhaps built into im-ja. |
| 21:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody kick the troll. |
| 21:50.51 | Species8472 | I'm merely complementing you on your website :( |
| 21:50.56 | Anastasia | usb adapter cable I was using with the ethernet dongle was apparently bad, shows up as "Unable to connect, Device not supported" with the new cable. Progress! |
| 21:51.00 | djtansey | GeneralAntilles, thanks.. was hoping there was something published that I didn't know about. I guess that's where I'll go. Thanks again. |
| 21:51.09 | dragorn | Anastasia: it'll say that about nearly everything |
| 21:51.48 | Anastasia | dragorn: But the power injector works :). I guess I'd need to compile a kernel with the desired modules to get this working. |
| 21:52.00 | dragorn | it'll complain about being unsupported anyhow, afaik |
| 21:52.12 | dragorn | that's part of the otg whitelist, I'm looking into it for my own stuff |
| 21:52.16 | dragorn | I don't know how easy it is to control |
| 21:52.22 | halley | Is it a true usb, or just an "enough usb for the block host" feature? |
| 21:52.38 | dragorn | it's USB-OTG, which is a new standard |
| 21:52.52 | halley | OTG? One True G*d? |
| 21:52.58 | Anastasia | halley: I have NO idea, OLD usb stuff from the 266 MHz Gateway laptop :). |
| 21:52.59 | dragorn | on the go |
| 21:53.07 | halley | Over The Gizmo? |
| 21:53.23 | Anastasia | Both are supported on the desktop machine though, FWIW. |
| 21:53.26 | halley | Why did usb need "on the go"? Dual-directionality? |
| 21:53.37 | halley | Host and peripheral, that is? |
| 21:53.41 | dragorn | it's a usb dev-to-dev spec, not very common yet. It's one device to one device, no hubs, limited power, and limited "officially" supported devices |
| 21:54.00 | Anastasia | FOOD! bbl |
| 21:54.00 | dragorn | hence the whitelist, but that should be controllable somewhere |
| 21:54.47 | Species8472 | Does anyone know what binge are? |
| 21:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | Really, they shoulda used Firewire instead. ;) |
| 21:56.33 | Fatal | I'd use smoke signals |
| 21:58.38 | Species8472 | GeneralAntilles, now that is a troll. |
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| 22:13.13 | disq | there were plans to make a software to make n800 act as a bluetooth keyboard, any progress in that? |
| 22:15.14 | p| | is dropbear better than openssh ? |
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| 22:17.45 | dragorn | p|: no, but it's smaller |
| 22:21.30 | cy3o3 | woah |
| 22:21.31 | cy3o3 | sup dragorn |
| 22:23.24 | dragorn | not much |
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| 22:32.12 | Rask330 | Do any of you guys know where maemo hides the certificates in the filesystem? |
| 22:32.33 | Rask330 | I have an odd problem where a certificate I'd like to use for WPA isn't working 'cos the N800 thinks it's an authority... |
| 22:32.44 | Rask330 | It's in there, but it's in the wrong tab. |
| 22:33.11 | Species8472 | Rask330: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_certificate_storage_bora.html |
| 22:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody use Skype chat? |
| 22:34.02 | Species8472 | I use mind melts |
| 22:34.15 | Species8472 | And telepathie |
| 22:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | Can anybody tell me whether this mess of a bug is actually accurate? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2512 |
| 22:36.23 | Species8472 | Let me go and check on my N800 GeneralAntilles |
| 22:37.13 | Rask330 | Species8472: I don't seem to have a /root/certificates directory... o.o |
| 22:37.14 | halley | "mind melds" if you meant communication; "mind melts" if you meant acid trips or cannibal sandwiches |
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| 22:38.05 | Species8472 | I take the mind melts. |
| 22:38.06 | halley | Rask330, nothing of any system value is kept in /root typically. It's a home directory for the root user. |
| 22:38.26 | Rask330 | halley: I know, but that page seems to be indicating that's where they keep the certificates. o.o |
| 22:38.35 | Species8472 | GeneralAntilles, I can't find my N800. |
| 22:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | I stole it. |
| 22:38.44 | halley | That's where *someone* might decide to do it, not a normal functioning system. |
| 22:38.45 | Species8472 | why |
| 22:39.34 | Rask330 | My problem is, I imported a certificate authority and a certificate into certificate manager, but it thought they were both authorities, so I can't use the certificate to get on the wireless at work-- nor can I, apparently, remove the certificate and try to re-import it o_O |
| 22:42.04 | Rask330 | Shouldn't it at least provide a removal option..? |
| 22:47.38 | Rask330 | Anyone have any suggestions? ^^; |
| 22:51.15 | Species8472 | Maybe GeneralAntilles has, he's the expert. |
| 22:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | No, I don't do certs. |
| 22:51.39 | Species8472 | Well start doing them then? |
| 22:53.31 | Vulcanis | Haha |
| 22:53.40 | Vulcanis | So apparently, FBReader fixed all the Quetoo problems |
| 22:53.54 | Vulcanis | That makes no sense, but it must be one of the things that FBReader needs to run... |
| 22:54.17 | shackan | quetoo runs on os2008 ? |
| 22:54.25 | Vulcanis | yes |
| 22:54.29 | Vulcanis | one sec, let me find the url |
| 22:54.37 | shackan | it's playable? |
| 22:54.41 | Vulcanis | Very |
| 22:54.44 | Vulcanis | it was playable on 07 |
| 22:55.00 | shackan | not without a keyboard tough, right? |
| 22:55.05 | Vulcanis | much more playable on 08, with the processor upgrade |
| 22:55.08 | Vulcanis | its still fairly playable |
| 22:55.21 | Vulcanis | you aim by dragging the screen with stilus, shoot with the fullscreen button, move with the dpad |
| 22:55.27 | Vulcanis | + and - switch weapons |
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| 22:55.35 | Vulcanis | http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/ |
| 22:56.05 | shackan | hahaha, I tried doom, and it's very unconfortable |
| 22:56.19 | shackan | (and apparently it drains the battery) |
| 22:56.55 | hugolp | shackan: its normal that a graphic demanding aplication drains more the battery than usual |
| 22:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | Doom is fine. |
| 22:57.06 | hugolp | but I agree with you, doom controls where weird |
| 22:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | Quake I is probably the best of the bunch. |
| 22:57.12 | Vulcanis | You want to turn off the wifi when playing doom and stuff, though. Theres no reason to do it |
| 22:57.16 | Vulcanis | I rebound the doom controls |
| 22:57.22 | Vulcanis | so fullscreen button is fire |
| 22:57.26 | Vulcanis | and the middle dpad button is enter |
| 22:57.34 | Vulcanis | so that I don't have to worry about pressing the middle dpad button while moving |
| 22:59.16 | hugolp | quetoo looks nice, Ill try it tomorrow |
| 22:59.54 | cy3o3 | \ |
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| 23:06.57 | Vulcanis | anyone happen to know if aircrack works on os2008 yet? |
| 23:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | Is it a console application? :) |
| 23:10.15 | dragorn | you can't do injection, so you're seriously thinking it's a good idea to try to passively brute force wep? On a handheld? |
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| 23:12.05 | Vulcanis | dragorn: They had aircrack-ng for os2007 |
| 23:12.09 | Vulcanis | Yes, general, console |
| 23:12.18 | dragorn | And it was a pretty dumb idea then, too :P |
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| 23:27.27 | joshin | Trying to compile mplayer for the hacker's edition of the 770 since it is broke. I'm getting all sorts of nifty assembler errors. |
| 23:27.41 | joshin | {standard input}:490: Error: selected processor does not support `smultb r2,r1,lr' |
| 23:27.42 | Vulcanis | isn't that just os2007? |
| 23:28.00 | joshin | Yup. |
| 23:28.19 | Vulcanis | one sec |
| 23:28.24 | Vulcanis | there should already be mplayer for that... |
| 23:28.32 | Vulcanis | Er, one that works* |
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| 23:29.05 | joshin | Must have snuck it in when I wasn't looking. |
| 23:29.16 | Vulcanis | tried http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mplayer/ ? |
| 23:29.33 | Vulcanis | I have not used a 770, so I'm not sure if that'll work |
| 23:31.24 | joshin | I'm 99.5% sure I tried both of them with limited success on the hacker's edition. Since the 770 is such an odd beast (especially the HE version), I figured that I should try and compile it myself. |
| 23:31.56 | pupnik | anybody build open source wlan usb drivers for 770/800 yet? |
| 23:32.53 | joshin | Right now, I'm trying to build it in the Maemo Virtual machine using the current mplayer.garage version. I've had more luck cheating and building it on openembedded but that seems to be missing all the nice 770/maemo optimizations. |
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| 23:34.17 | K`zan | Anyone know which repository that gcompris is in? Fills up my app catalog and I have zero interest in it? |
| 23:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | Extras |
| 23:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | Pain, isn't it? |
| 23:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | Should open a bug. |
| 23:39.16 | K`zan | Yes, that mess should have it's own repository for those that ARE interested in kids games... |
| 23:39.41 | Vulcanis | or just give us a way to hide parts... |
| 23:39.57 | K`zan | So deselecting that one would create a problem in other places. |
| 23:40.30 | K`zan | Vulcanis: No, it is very specialized and should have it's own. Only thing out of all my repos that I *definitely* don't want. |
| 23:40.44 | Vulcanis | Yeah. |
| 23:40.59 | K`zan | 356 :-) entries that are totally useless (to me). |
| 23:41.46 | sp3000 | probably not so useful to try to solve on the repository level |
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| 23:44.40 | sp3000 | I wonder how crack-addled it'd look if the appmgr did trees based on dash-separated components of package names, when there are more than one with the same prefix |
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| 23:51.35 | sp3000 | it'd probably need a blocklist of name components that don't indicate relatedness in this context, like maemo-* |
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| 23:56.22 | p| | good night |
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