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| 00:13.41 | msh_ | celesteh: hah. thuogh hm, 6300 chargers seem sane when they're not attached. unless my wattmeter is bogus. |
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| 00:18.42 | Rocketman | Standing in line at the post office. The xmas shipping lines are already ginormous |
| 00:19.07 | Rocketman | standing in line used to be much more dull, though |
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| 00:19.56 | Rocketman | So, what is everyone up to? |
| 00:21.15 | anthrobug | installing maps |
| 00:21.29 | anthrobug | u? |
| 00:21.42 | Rocketman | Maemo Mapper or the built in? |
| 00:21.51 | anthrobug | built in - but on a 800 |
| 00:23.27 | Rocketman | Would be nice if there were a torrent with all the maps in it |
| 00:23.41 | anthrobug | yeah these things are murder |
| 00:24.00 | anthrobug | friggin 733MB's? are they kidding? |
| 00:25.40 | Rocketman | There server seemed slow too |
| 00:26.00 | Rocketman | I just ran it overnight |
| 00:26.32 | Rocketman | I heard the firmware download site was running at like 3KBps |
| 00:27.16 | anthrobug | yeah, it took about a day to download it |
| 00:27.22 | anthrobug | did it over the weekend |
| 00:27.39 | anthrobug | this map just crapped out at like 20%... |
| 00:28.17 | anthrobug | there's no other place to download these? I'm under the impression i've got to use this built in client to get the maps |
| 00:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have at least 1.4GB free? |
| 00:29.31 | anthrobug | yeah, it's a fresh 2GB - i formatted it the first time it failed |
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| 00:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | ITT says fmradio is out for 2008. |
| 00:40.04 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody confirm? |
| 00:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | not coming up when I refresh |
| 00:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | There it is, nevermind. |
| 00:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan. |
| 00:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | Well . . . it's really good at hard-freezing the device. |
| 00:52.39 | vlad_ | is it possible to kill off X and use the framebuffer directly on the n800/n810? |
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| 01:01.00 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, now to find it :) |
| 01:01.32 | ds3 | vlad_, yes. |
| 01:01.52 | vlad_ | ds3: any pages with info on how to do so? my googling failed me |
| 01:02.35 | ds3 | donno |
| 01:03.04 | ds3 | vlad_: IIRC, you will need to disable the right watchdog or it'll reboot |
| 01:03.24 | vlad_ | ah, good info, thanks |
| 01:03.35 | vlad_ | I want to do some perf tests without X getting in the way |
| 01:03.42 | ds3 | ah |
| 01:04.23 | ds3 | forgot which watchdog but once you do that, Xomap should be killable. besure to have either ssh/telnet/etc setup or the right cable for the rear pads |
| 01:04.32 | vlad_ | nod |
| 01:04.35 | ds3 | speaking of which, does anyone sell the right connector for the serial console pads? |
| 01:12.17 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: OK, I'll byte, where is fmradio hidden :-)? |
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| 01:14.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the repos. |
| 01:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | I had to refresh a couple times before it would show |
| 01:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno. |
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| 01:16.24 | shackan | GeneralAntilles: can't find it here |
| 01:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | It worked after I ran apt-get upgrade |
| 01:17.25 | shackan | shouldn't the package manager work the same? |
| 01:17.29 | |penguinbait| | GA, still no tan? |
| 01:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, maybe in the spring. :P |
| 01:18.22 | |penguinbait| | where abouts are you |
| 01:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | Northerly in Tallahassee. |
| 01:18.46 | |penguinbait| | ah |
| 01:18.56 | |penguinbait| | they get the fires out yet |
| 01:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | Have there been some in the last few weeks? |
| 01:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | I hadn't noticed. |
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| 01:35.07 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Got the app catalog to update finally, got it! Thanks *very* much |
| 01:41.25 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Did you get my broadcast message on Jablet? |
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| 01:49.37 | K`zan | Camera works much better under 2008! |
| 01:49.58 | Vulcanis | For the n800? it seems to have better fps, yeah. |
| 01:50.04 | Vulcanis | though mine still has random blue splotches |
| 01:50.13 | K`zan | Cool, fmradio and camera, all in one day :-) |
| 01:50.21 | K`zan | Well, it is a crappy camera, but... |
| 01:50.29 | Vulcanis | Its also badly placed. :/ |
| 01:50.38 | K`zan | Don't know what that is :-). |
| 01:50.38 | Vulcanis | Have to hold the tablet to the side to get your face in it |
| 01:50.47 | Vulcanis | Quetoo is the Quake 2 port |
| 01:50.53 | Vulcanis | theres a working version for OS2007 |
| 01:50.55 | K`zan | Ah, not much of a gamer here. |
| 01:50.56 | Vulcanis | But 08 is amazing otherwise., |
| 01:51.18 | Vulcanis | I just got my tablet... two days ago. Any 2008 apps I should desparately get? |
| 01:51.21 | K`zan | Although I did install the doom thing just to see how it does. I get sick playing doom on the PC. |
| 01:51.34 | Vulcanis | Doom on the tablet... hurts. |
| 01:51.39 | K`zan | :-) |
| 01:52.00 | Vulcanis | great graphics, but I need an external kb to play it, since I can't turn on it easily |
| 01:52.04 | Vulcanis | Quake atleast can use the screen to aim |
| 01:52.05 | ds3 | Hmmmm integrate a wii bluetooth accelerometer into the controls... |
| 01:52.18 | Vulcanis | Yeah, you can pair it with wii controllers, last I saw. |
| 01:52.21 | Vulcanis | hacked drivers and whatnot |
| 01:52.37 | K`zan | Dunno, depends on what you want / need :-/. All good although I would like a good organizer I can sync. Got the palm emulator installed, but that only sync's via network so it is kind of a PITA to go back and forth to wincrap in. |
| 01:53.08 | Vulcanis | don't like palm. |
| 01:53.14 | K`zan | Need to look at korganizer and see if it might sync via net (jpilot won't ). |
| 01:53.29 | K`zan | Neither do I anymore, that is why I got the n800 :-). |
| 01:53.43 | K`zan | Palm has gone from gold (vx/c3) to crap. |
| 01:54.07 | K`zan | Digitizer on the Z31 wanders around all over the place (both of them). |
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| 01:57.50 | Vulcanis | is it sad that I'll probably teach myself how to port apps to maemo just so I can play quake2 before they finish updating it for OS08? |
| 01:58.52 | K`zan | I'm looking at the same thing for jpilot, but that may well not work out unless I can figure out how to get USB to the z31 working - once I do that I don't need the z31 anymore :) |
| 01:58.55 | ds3 | I think pilot-link will but no gui |
| 01:59.10 | K`zan | ds3: Thanks, will check that out. |
| 01:59.25 | ds3 | K`zan: you just want to extra data or you need to constantly share it? |
| 01:59.27 | K`zan | no kpilot on fedora!?!? |
| 01:59.37 | K`zan | Just for me. |
| 01:59.54 | ds3 | then why not backup everything onto an SD card and move that to the 800? |
| 02:00.07 | ds3 | or does the 31 lack an SD slot? |
| 02:00.24 | K`zan | I can make it work by booting native 32bit wincrap, syncing with the z31 and then moving it to the n800 user for the emulator and then network syncing... |
| 02:00.36 | K`zan | No, got SD, that might work, hadn't thought of that, thanks! |
| 02:00.46 | K`zan | Only thing useful on it :) |
| 02:02.38 | ds3 | gotten too many "legacy" apps on the Palm to get rid of so GarnetVM was a major major thing |
| 02:02.55 | ds3 | now if they can just get VFS implemented, I can chuck the treo for a free phone w/bt |
| 02:03.00 | K`zan | Yes, it is, very nice, but would be nice if it would usb sunc :-) |
| 02:03.15 | ds3 | usb sync should just work |
| 02:03.31 | ds3 | might have to muck with the USB ids in the driver and recompile |
| 02:07.15 | K`zan | A thought, going to see what kpilot will do if I can find it here :-) |
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| 02:08.29 | ds3 | unless they deprecated the kernel driver in the current 2.6 releases... last time I triedit was around 2.6.12 on the treo |
| 02:08.46 | K`zan | Kpilot is usb only, would still have to use wincrap :-/. |
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| 02:09.57 | truls | any chances of integrating stuff (like subversion) into the filemanager ? |
| 02:11.04 | ds3 | nice thing about the kernel driver is jpilot can be convinced to work with it, at least once |
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| 02:20.49 | Vulc|Bleh | So... What should I get for os2008, and does anyone know when the official release is scheduled? |
| 02:32.22 | MagicFab | oh, crap. the 801 wen from "backorder" to out of stock in ~12 hours (or less) today in the USA stora |
| 02:32.28 | MagicFab | N810 that is |
| 02:39.09 | dragorn | what store? |
| 02:42.55 | vlad_ | circuit city (online) |
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| 03:39.05 | Vulc|Bleh | Guys, anyone know what could cause an SD card death and how to try and remedy it? |
| 03:39.16 | Vulc|Bleh | it shows up for a small bit when it is locked from writing... and thats it |
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| 03:47.18 | Vulc|Bleh | nevermind |
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| 03:51.48 | l7 | hey, has anyone recieved a tablet that has an uneven backlight? |
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| 03:53.16 | |R | reallly uneven? |
| 03:56.28 | Vulc|Bleh | Which one |
| 03:56.31 | Vulc|Bleh | which model* |
| 03:56.37 | Vulc|Bleh | my n800 does not |
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| 03:58.14 | l7 | |R: slightly uneven |
| 03:58.40 | l7 | the backlight is dim at the right side of the screen |
| 03:58.45 | l7 | and brighter on the left side |
| 03:59.23 | l7 | i'm assuming the LCD lamp is on the left side, and it's a little imperfect? |
| 03:59.40 | l7 | a thread on forums described this as a "common" issue |
| 04:00.22 | l7 | it's noticable in fbreader in full screen |
| 04:00.26 | |R | loaded note to have a white bg... |
| 04:00.34 | |R | straight in front i don't notice anything weird |
| 04:03.01 | l7 | hrm i think there are lcd lamps on the right side too |
| 04:03.38 | l7 | they seem to be pointed towards the back of the unit rather than parallel |
| 04:04.14 | l7 | i just heard that returning your unit to nokia for service requires a pretty long time |
| 04:08.12 | ol_schoola | hi all. still trying to reflash my n800. it currently has IT2008 1.2007.42-18 with Fanoush's "boot from mmc" initfs |
| 04:10.06 | ol_schoola | anytime i try to flash, regardless of the firmware version, it gives this output http://pastebin.ca/807953 |
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| 04:12.15 | ol_schoola | i had the backup of the original initfs as recommended in mmc boot writeup, but a recent haphazard housekeeping on my mac wiped it out |
| 04:14.48 | ol_schoola | About Product control panel reports Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, <unknown>, Version: <unknown>, WLAN and Bluetooth addresses are normal |
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| 04:23.37 | ol_schoola | darn. GeneralAntilles gave me same answer last night |
| 04:24.08 | ol_schoola | i'd post on the ITT forum to get Fanoush's ear but it appears i'm not authorized to post |
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| 04:24.37 | ol_schoola | is there a "brute force" flashing method? |
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| 04:27.02 | l7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:30.18 | ol_schoola | it works great but i was told (here, last night) that it's not working well with the Nokia released 2008 for the n800 (44-4?) |
| 04:31.02 | ol_schoola | i'm stuck at IT2008 1.2007.42-18. can't flash down, can't flash up, can't reflash |
| 04:31.39 | l7 | ah that sucks |
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| 04:31.56 | l7 | why can't you flash down? |
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| 04:34.52 | l7 | man, mplayer is weird for me tonight |
| 04:35.03 | l7 | sometimes it plays fine, and sometimes it plays at 1fps |
| 04:36.10 | ol_schoola | here's the output when i flash http://pastebin.ca/807953 |
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| 04:57.44 | Vulc|Bleh | I know its not huge, but where od I rename the tablet? |
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| 05:05.59 | ol_schoola | Control Panel -> Connectivity section -> Bluetoth |
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| 05:15.28 | ol_schoola | Vulc|Bleh: still here after the splits? |
| 05:15.35 | Vulc|Bleh | Yes |
| 05:15.51 | ol_schoola | Control Panel -> Connectivity section -> Bluetooth |
| 05:16.04 | ol_schoola | why ther, i don't know, but it is |
| 05:16.06 | ol_schoola | there |
| 05:16.09 | Vulc|Bleh | thanks. |
| 05:17.40 | Vulc|Bleh | rofl |
| 05:17.44 | Vulc|Bleh | that makes no sense whatsoever. |
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| 05:17.54 | Vulc|Bleh | I even needed to turn BT on to change it, then off again and it stuck |
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| 05:18.08 | ol_schoola | whoev er wrote the code must REALLY think this is primarily a BT device |
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| 05:49.52 | |R | anyone ever finished marble? :P |
| 06:05.58 | K`zan | Night folks and THANKS All! |
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| 06:58.04 | fysa | is there a cbr/cbz reader for os2008? |
| 06:58.13 | fysa | I think evince supports it in some compiles but not all? |
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| 07:53.12 | anders_ | 7 |
| 07:57.34 | rip_ | 8 |
| 07:59.27 | |R | 16 |
| 08:02.32 | rip_ | Isn't 9 after 8 |
| 08:02.52 | rip_ | and Seven is a dangerous number? because 7 ate 9 |
| 08:03.03 | |R | who says that was the sequence :P |
| 08:03.13 | |R | it's like a multi user iq test haha |
| 08:03.21 | rip_ | :P |
| 08:08.58 | anders_ | Sorry about starting this very intellectual discussion.. |
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| 08:18.40 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
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| 09:01.39 | rothiel | Hi guys =) |
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| 09:24.00 | sikahakki | can I enaable text in boot like grub option splash=verbose (n800 os 2007) ? |
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| 09:44.13 | ol_schoola | .-/ |
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| 10:04.03 | jmspeex | can someone tell me how to install an ssh client on my N800 |
| 10:04.30 | doublec | there is an ssh client on maemo.org |
| 10:04.34 | doublec | let me find a link |
| 10:04.59 | doublec | oh, their down at the moment |
| 10:08.50 | jeddy3 | jmspeex, yes, what doublec said...they have packages for both client and server, and you also need the osso xterm package to get a proper console |
| 10:09.33 | jeddy3 | here is the link...was not down for me http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh-client/ |
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| 10:10.03 | doublec | hmm, yes I seem to be having network problems, it's my end, sorry |
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| 10:12.08 | milhouse | or just add the extras repository and select openssh, openssh-server or openssh-client from the list in app manager |
| 10:15.43 | [pablo] | does anyone know where to find the gstreamer-plugins-bad package? I looked everywhere I can think of and all I could find was gstreamer-plugins-bad-ivorbis(which as far as I could tell was a particular component of gstreamer-plugins-bad stripped out and packaged seperately) |
| 10:16.14 | lardman | assuming that was all you found in the repo, that may be all they distribute |
| 10:16.24 | lardman | in which case get the full package from the gstreamer site |
| 10:17.10 | lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/g/ |
| 10:17.21 | lardman | I don't see gstreamer-plugins-bad-ivorbis there... |
| 10:17.52 | lardman | is this what you want?: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-bad.html |
| 10:17.57 | jmspeex | jeddy3: is there a way to compile directly on the N800 or do I have to cross-compile? (the former is more convenient since Speex it's a small package) |
| 10:18.17 | jeddy3 | ok, this has probably been asked one hundred times ;)...but is there any good instructions on reflashing somewhere? |
| 10:18.19 | lardman | jmspeex: you spoken to kulve? |
| 10:18.30 | lardman | jeddy3: maemo.org wiki |
| 10:18.36 | lardman | jmspeex: no, not on device |
| 10:18.37 | jeddy3 | lardman, thanks |
| 10:18.48 | jeddy3 | jmspeex, i'm not the right person to ask about that :) |
| 10:18.50 | lardman | jmspeex: kulve did a dsp task of speex |
| 10:19.12 | jmspeex | lardman: he posts once in a while, rhy? |
| 10:19.13 | jmspeex | why? |
| 10:19.28 | jeddy3 | jmspeex, just got my n800 at beginning of week, so i'm still a noob also :) |
| 10:19.42 | jmspeex | lardman: You mean he got Speex to run on the DSP core (C55?) |
| 10:19.46 | lardman | jmspeex: yes |
| 10:20.00 | [pablo] | lardman: it's in a seperate repo, http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian |
| 10:20.04 | ccooke | heh. my n810 finally arrived on Wednesday. I'm more impressed than I expected |
| 10:20.24 | lardman | [pablo]: that's because he only packaged that part of gstreamer |
| 10:20.25 | [pablo] | lardman: i found the package in the maemo bora repository though, guess it's just a matter of waiting |
| 10:20.46 | [pablo] | lardman: yes i know, that's all I found, that's what I said, but you said you couldn't find it, i was telling you where I found it |
| 10:21.17 | lardman | [pablo]: are the versions that different? I doubt there are any devicisms in it, just grab a debian source download and build it yourself, that's how I built the vorbis plugin |
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| 11:04.15 | jmspeex | OK, that's a silly question, but how do I bookmark a page? |
| 11:04.50 | keesj | you can use the menu key and select bookmark from one of the submenus |
| 11:05.22 | keesj | it is also possible to bookmark a link by keeping the pen down and waiting for a pop-up dialog |
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| 11:05.47 | jmspeex | I don't see anything in the submenus... |
| 11:05.54 | sp3000 | or use the bottom left button on the toolbar |
| 11:06.10 | [pablo] | click on the globe in the lower left hand corner of the browser |
| 11:06.18 | [pablo] | or i believe ctrl+d works |
| 11:06.42 | jmspeex | ok, the globe worked |
| 11:06.51 | jmspeex | thanks |
| 11:08.19 | kulve | jmspeex: so, you have n800 now too? |
| 11:08.30 | jmspeex | yes |
| 11:08.41 | jmspeex | wanted to try optimising Speex for ARM using it |
| 11:08.57 | jmspeex | what's the simplest way to get started? |
| 11:09.00 | kulve | jmspeex: you don't really need to "cross-compile" anything, as scratchbox does that for you. And installing SB is quite trivial, since maemo provides a script that does the whole thing |
| 11:09.24 | jmspeex | kulve: link? |
| 11:09.33 | kulve | jmspeex: are you using the 2007? Or the 2008 beta? |
| 11:09.44 | jmspeex | 2007. Should I upgrade? |
| 11:09.50 | kulve | not yet, imo |
| 11:09.51 | jmspeex | (of so how?) |
| 11:09.54 | jmspeex | ok |
| 11:10.20 | kulve | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 11:10.29 | keesj | 3.1? |
| 11:10.56 | jmspeex | what's that? |
| 11:11.19 | kulve | keesj: is there installer script for 3.2..? |
| 11:11.56 | dpb_ | 3.2 install instructions tell to install 3.1 first, then upgrade |
| 11:12.07 | kulve | yeah |
| 11:12.18 | kulve | jmspeex: so, see the section 2.1 in that .txt |
| 11:12.20 | inz | Is there a reason to use 3.1 (or 3.2) target? |
| 11:12.27 | inz | Instead of 3.0 one. |
| 11:12.43 | kulve | the newer the better? |
| 11:13.03 | kulve | at least with 3.1 and 3.2 the difference seems to be pretty small.. |
| 11:13.11 | dpb_ | must be tons of bug fixes in the newer ones |
| 11:13.33 | inz | kulve, for the device, sure, but for the SDK, I don't really see the point |
| 11:13.49 | kulve | inz: well, is there a reason not to run apt-get upgrade? :) |
| 11:14.15 | kulve | jmspeex: my ogg-support provides the speex for maemo, just in case you're interested.. (probably not :) |
| 11:14.35 | inz | kulve, the packages created might not work on 3.0 device anymore |
| 11:14.46 | kulve | and why would somebody run 3.0 device..? |
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| 11:15.03 | kulve | on the device I think it's important to upgrade.. |
| 11:15.22 | inz | kulve, I would bet there are plenty of people that are still running whatever came with the device |
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| 11:15.39 | kulve | inz: probably yes, but I think they should upgrade.. |
| 11:15.55 | inz | kulve, well, I think the choice is not mine, but theirs |
| 11:16.11 | inz | kulve, thus I don't want to force them to upgrade just to run software X |
| 11:16.50 | kulve | well, if there are api changes you need to build for both then.. |
| 11:17.00 | kulve | and if not, then the package should work on both devices |
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| 11:17.38 | inz | kulve, if you want to use Depends: libthis, libthat instead of ${shlibs:Depends}, then you only care about ABI compatibility |
| 11:18.02 | inz | kulve, but I would guess there are packages that just use dh_makeshlibs and thus enforce a strict version dependency |
| 11:18.24 | inz | kulve, i.e. the binaries would work -- packages wouldn't |
| 11:18.47 | dpb_ | inz: about everyone builds 2007 packages with 3.2, so if one person builds with 3.0 for compatibility with older images, there's really no point.. |
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| 11:19.44 | inz | dpb_, one software is more than none, no? |
| 11:19.57 | kulve | inz: if you want to support older versions and you know that the ABIs are compatible, then I suggest using proper Depends -line instead of the automatic version |
| 11:20.15 | dpb_ | I don't think the 2007 images have changed so much that 3.2 packages wouldn't run in all of them.. |
| 11:22.37 | inz | dpb, might be, but I still don't see the point in upgrading the SDK |
| 11:23.02 | kulve | but since I think the ABIs aren't 100% between the releases I think the most correct procedure would be compiling different packages for all releases.. |
| 11:23.17 | kulve | inz: the sdk has bugfixes too.. |
| 11:24.18 | dpb_ | as I already said a while ago.. |
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| 11:44.38 | inz | dpb, kulve, name one that affects anyone |
| 11:45.19 | dpb_ | I'm not going to search closed bugs from bugzilla for you, sorry. |
| 11:48.46 | dpb_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/maemo-sdk-relnotes_3.1.txt lists some fixed problems. |
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| 11:51.39 | inz | dpb, I don't concider any of them to affect the build rootstrap |
| 11:52.01 | inz | dpb, but anyway, anyone may do as they please, it's a free world ;) |
| 11:53.38 | czr | free'er for some than others :-) |
| 11:54.01 | inz | sure |
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| 12:34.40 | jeddy3 | anyone having any tips for encoding h264 with mencoder, os2008 mediaplayer says video is damaged |
| 12:35.10 | lardman | wow a new error message |
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| 12:35.40 | lardman | rather than the generic ones we used to get :) |
| 12:36.15 | jeddy3 | i DID interrupt encoding...but rebuild the index, so that _should_ not be a problem... |
| 12:36.27 | lardman | jeddy3: does the gstreamer plugin give you any output to debug it? |
| 12:37.00 | jeddy3 | lardman, is gstreamer something i have to isntall? |
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| 12:37.51 | lardman | jeddy3: no, it's what the media player uses as a backend |
| 12:38.35 | jeddy3 | ooh, no it just says video clip is damaged, (but in swedish :P) |
| 12:38.46 | L0cutus | mmm |
| 12:38.56 | lardman | yes, but that presumably means it's decided the clip is not to its liking for some reason |
| 12:39.00 | lardman | the question is why |
| 12:39.12 | L0cutus | pan (newsgroups reader) doesn't compile on os2008. |
| 12:39.33 | jeddy3 | it's avi file ending, and avi container, is that correct? |
| 12:39.53 | lardman | no idea, sorry |
| 12:40.07 | jeddy3 | someone have any mencoder arguments to share? |
| 12:40.17 | jeddy3 | i might have encoded it wrong |
| 12:40.25 | jeddy3 | lardman, thanks anyway! |
| 12:40.33 | lardman | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html, scroll down to deployment |
| 12:40.48 | lardman | see how gst-launch is used with a decoder pipeline |
| 12:41.17 | lardman | I was thinking that if you try decoding the file using this commandline tool (you'll need to work out the pipes) then it might output some useful error information |
| 12:41.41 | jeddy3 | lardman, aah, good idea |
| 12:42.48 | kulve | on 2008? playbin seems to be there easying that task quite a lot.. |
| 12:43.18 | lardman | kulve: I don't know the specifics, but if you do, please share |
| 12:44.17 | kulve | I think most files play just with "gst-launch playbin uri=file://foo/bar.avi" |
| 12:44.44 | kulve | +/ |
| 12:44.47 | lardman | how does it know what the pipeline should be? |
| 12:44.59 | kulve | that's the job of the playbin :) |
| 12:45.11 | lardman | :) |
| 12:45.25 | lardman | jeddy3: try and see, it may at least give more output than the player |
| 12:45.32 | Screaming | Cool! Just downloaded the new fm radio app for 2008. Its got an alarm clock!!! And it works, Yipee! |
| 12:45.42 | kulve | the plugins tell their mime-types/etc for in/out and the playbin tries to figure out the best pipeline |
| 12:46.26 | kulve | -v gives a bit more output for gst-launch and "GST_DEBUG=*:5 gst-launch" gives more that you want.. |
| 12:46.59 | lardman | kulve: cool, thanks |
| 12:47.22 | X-Fade_ | Screaming: Yeah, nice one huh? ;) |
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| 12:47.41 | jeddy3 | hmmm, don't even have gst-launch :P |
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| 12:48.29 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 12:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | ol_schoola, add -F in there ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX... |
| 12:48.54 | Screaming | Nice to know they really do listen up there in the cold dark Finland |
| 12:49.07 | jeddy3 | os gst-launch-0.10 |
| 12:49.12 | jeddy3 | s/or/os/ |
| 12:49.22 | lardman | install gstreamer-tools |
| 12:49.26 | lardman | I think |
| 12:50.15 | X-Fade_ | Screaming: Well, if they would really listen, they would release the source ;) |
| 12:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised they didn't integrate it with the existing alarm function though, Screaming. |
| 12:50.57 | Screaming | X-Fade: One step at a time... |
| 12:50.59 | kulve | jeddy3: yeah, you need gstreamer0.10-tools (or somethink like that). When you know where to get it, let me know too ;) |
| 12:51.26 | jeddy3 | kulve, yeah, was just searching :D ...no luck :P |
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| 12:51.57 | |newbie| | 0ps |
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| 12:55.44 | lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/ |
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| 12:56.02 | lopz | buenos dias |
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| 12:56.24 | lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso11_armel.deb to be exact. Or are you not using OS2008? |
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| 12:59.28 | lopz | bye xD |
| 13:01.17 | Screaming | lopz: Buenas tardes |
| 13:01.59 | kulve | I added the repository.maemo.org and installed less, wget, and gstreamer0.10-tools from there |
| 13:02.02 | kulve | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 13:02.25 | kulve | but I think you can get packages from there that are not suitable for the device, so be careful what to install.. |
| 13:07.10 | Screaming | kulve: ...or not...they seem to have packages(eg python2.5) that appear and disappear at the drop of a hat. |
| 13:07.24 | kulve | gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg plays just fine |
| 13:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | Any Nokians about? |
| 13:08.33 | Screaming | Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:( |
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| 13:09.02 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: what do you need Nokians for..? |
| 13:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | timeless had me file a bug on the docs yesterday and wanted me to "grab a nokian on friday and make sure it's imported". |
| 13:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 |
| 13:10.08 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: ok. Try to find one then :) |
| 13:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that's what I was doing. ;) |
| 13:11.02 | kulve | does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008? |
| 13:11.06 | kulve | (probably won't work) |
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| 13:12.19 | Screaming | GeneralAntilles: Holiday Thursday,day off Friday. In Spain they call it a puente-a bridge. |
| 13:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just doing what the big, mean browser dev told me to do. :P |
| 13:13.42 | Screaming | GA: You mean the nicest Nokian around.:-) |
| 13:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft. |
| 13:14.31 | czr | just think of all the karma points ;-) |
| 13:15.01 | czr | different email? |
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| 13:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | Good question, don't recall. |
| 13:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | Can you handle the "importing", czr? |
| 13:15.30 | czr | if it's the same email, it should link ok methinks |
| 13:15.35 | czr | no, I'm not a nokee |
| 13:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, damn. |
| 13:16.03 | czr | friday probably is a day off for the finnish nokees |
| 13:16.12 | czr | yesterday was the independence day and all that |
| 13:16.56 | lardman | kulve: I think he wanted to play h.264 |
| 13:18.07 | kulve | lardman: could be. I just proved my point about playbin ;) |
| 13:18.35 | kulve | but I think the device doesn't use playbin for all mimetypes.. |
| 13:18.44 | kulve | so there might be handcrafted pipelines for some.. |
| 13:18.46 | kulve | bbl |
| 13:18.54 | lardman | k |
| 13:19.11 | jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, you had encoded h.264 for os 2008, right? |
| 13:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, didn't go so well. |
| 13:19.30 | lardman | jeddy3: did playbin do anything? |
| 13:20.04 | jeddy3 | lardman, the deb you linked to was "uncopatible" according to application manager |
| 13:20.04 | GeneralAntilles | 400x240 500-1000Kbps with AAC at 24fps (didn't feel like forcing any of my encoders to mp3) |
| 13:20.33 | jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, and avi file ending? |
| 13:20.43 | GeneralAntilles | .mp4 |
| 13:20.47 | lardman | jeddy3: you running OS2007 or 2008? |
| 13:20.49 | jeddy3 | aah, that might be it |
| 13:20.53 | jeddy3 | lardman, 2008 |
| 13:21.03 | lardman | hmm |
| 13:21.10 | lardman | should work |
| 13:21.23 | jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, just change the fileending? not any container arguments or something? |
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| 13:29.34 | Screaming | Does anyone know how to persuade Nokia's legal department to let me agree not to sue them just the once. Not everytime I install something? |
| 13:29.55 | lardman | jeddy3: app manager red pill mode install gstreamer-tools. Works fine for me |
| 13:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, Screaming. |
| 13:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | I had the same idea for that stupid "Unplugg the charger" notice. |
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| 13:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to sue them for pain and suffering instead. |
| 13:32.09 | Screaming | GA: I guess lawyers are a law unto themselves. |
| 13:32.44 | Khertan | "<Screaming> Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(" .... |
| 13:32.56 | Khertan | what s the problem ? |
| 13:33.08 | Screaming | GA: DONT! They are LAWYERS |
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| 13:36.29 | Screaming | First lesson in lawyerhood. "Heads I win, Tails everybody but me looses." |
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| 13:38.43 | MSameerWork | is there a document on how to extend HIM better than the maemo.org one ? |
| 13:41.53 | jeddy3 | hmm, i'm also having sync issues with videos produced with tablet-encode :P |
| 13:43.18 | lardman | After reading about iPhysics on ITT, the actual game looks pretty fun: http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/ |
| 13:43.27 | felipec | jeddy3: have you checked http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html ? |
| 13:44.54 | lardman | (scroll down to the youtube video) |
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| 13:46.31 | Khertan | lardman> funny and as i ve see on itt ... box2D is an open source engine coded in c++ ... |
| 13:46.31 | Khertan | so it could be ported to maemo ... |
| 13:46.31 | Khertan | but the game based on this engine seems not to be open source |
| 13:46.31 | lardman | yes indeed |
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| 13:46.32 | jeddy3 | felipec, thanks |
| 13:46.32 | lardman | http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/games/crayon/ is open source though, and is the same sort of thing |
| 13:46.32 | Khertan | hum ... i ve found the source last time :) |
| 13:47.04 | Khertan | Crayon Physics uses: SDL, SDL_Image, SDL_Mixer and SDL_RotoZoom |
| 13:47.25 | Khertan | and i dont find any source ... for crayon |
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| 13:47.34 | lardman | Khertan: ah, no I thought I read it was open source |
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| 13:48.26 | Khertan | the graphic and music are under cc |
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| 13:49.29 | lardman | yeah, oh well |
| 13:49.32 | kulve | does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008? |
| 13:49.35 | kulve | (probably won't work) |
| 13:49.44 | lardman | I can if you insist |
| 13:49.50 | kulve | lardman: I don't :) |
| 13:50.08 | lardman | anything to install to do so? A vorbisidec plugin |
| 13:50.13 | kulve | I'll need to setup a fresh installation on mmc for someday to easily test those on fresh installs.. |
| 13:50.39 | kulve | lardman: my ogg-support from maemo.org/downloads and then a new version of ogg-support from the url I'll give |
| 13:50.45 | lardman | ok |
| 13:51.04 | lardman | ah, is this for Os2008? |
| 13:51.13 | kulve | yes |
| 13:51.17 | felipec | jeddy3: there's a script I did inspired by tablet-encode... it has only been tested by me AFAIK |
| 13:51.26 | Screaming | lardman: Looks fun. I prefer CrayonLawyer. Difference is you never lose. |
| 13:51.42 | felipec | kulve: hi :) I'm the one that sent you the patch for OS2008 |
| 13:51.54 | jeddy3 | felipec, why -noidx? |
| 13:52.11 | kulve | felipec: hi |
| 13:52.22 | kulve | I didn't use it as-is, but copied the idea.. |
| 13:52.33 | derf | kulve: How much harder do you think it would be to add Theora support? |
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| 13:53.00 | felipec | kulve: yeap, you get the idea of what needs to be done anyway |
| 13:53.20 | kulve | derf: it has it already |
| 13:53.33 | derf | ! |
| 13:53.43 | derf | Genisu. |
| 13:53.52 | felipec | kulve: wow, and how does it work? |
| 13:53.58 | kulve | felipec: it didn't work out-of-the-box with all devices I tested it with, so I'm now trying to figure out why.. |
| 13:54.04 | felipec | (Theora) |
| 13:54.06 | kulve | felipec: umm. what? |
| 13:54.08 | kulve | ah |
| 13:54.30 | kulve | well, it works, but obviously isn't as optimized as mpeg4 |
| 13:54.59 | kulve | but the theora just moved from alpha to beta and got x86/x64 asm optimizations, so maybe it'll get those for arm too some day :) |
| 13:56.37 | derf | Not until I learn arm assembly. |
| 13:56.59 | kulve | derf: hmm.. You are a theora dev? |
| 13:57.05 | derf | kulve: Yes. |
| 13:57.29 | kulve | well, thanks for a good codec :) |
| 13:57.36 | derf | Yer welcome. |
| 13:57.50 | kulve | the built-in player plays oggs with theora/vorbis on my device.. |
| 13:57.54 | felipec | kulve: for both decoding and encoding? |
| 13:58.05 | derf | I would actually rather do a dsp task, but I'm waiting for lardman to get enough of one working for Vorbis to steal^Wcopy from. |
| 13:58.21 | kulve | encoding? I haven't tried encoding anything.. |
| 13:58.34 | felipec | kulve: I mean x86 optimizations for encoding |
| 13:58.54 | kulve | felipec: oh. I didn't check that carefully.. |
| 13:59.01 | derf | There are some, yes. |
| 13:59.20 | derf | Hopefully most will still be standing after Monty's done hacking the encoder to bits. |
| 13:59.42 | derf | Red Hat finally let him work on something useful. |
| 14:01.12 | kulve | lardman: thx for testing, even if it didn't work.. |
| 14:02.05 | Screaming | derf: kulve: I always reckoned the neat trick for asm optimising was to write ur c code so the optimiser gave you the assembler you wanted. That way it runs anywhere. |
| 14:02.10 | kulve | lardman: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg |
| 14:02.57 | lardman | derf: I have a dsp task for ogg, just have some issues loading it |
| 14:03.04 | derf | Screaming: The compiler's auto-vectorizer needs some work before it'll be useful enough to do that. |
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| 14:03.19 | lardman | derf: waiting on Nokia to provide some compilable source for dsp_dld so I can add some more debugging output and work out what's wrong |
| 14:03.28 | Screaming | Respect derf! |
| 14:04.00 | Screaming | cu guys, gotta go swim in the sea while its stll nice and warm. |
| 14:04.11 | felipec | lardman: I'm on that ;) |
| 14:05.31 | lardman | felipec: you a nokian? |
| 14:05.44 | lardman | kulve: works fine with playbin though |
| 14:06.14 | felipec | lardman: yes, on the multimedia team |
| 14:06.19 | lardman | cool |
| 14:06.21 | kulve | lardman: sure. The stupid mp just says "no-go" without even trying.. |
| 14:06.23 | kulve | but bbl |
| 14:06.43 | lardman | felipec: you saw my ml post/bug and understand what I'm after then? |
| 14:07.03 | lardman | kulve: bug me thinks |
| 14:07.16 | kulve | lardman: btw. You have know that floating point version of the vorbis. You can just remove the lib to get the integer version.. |
| 14:07.22 | kulve | (bug in the ogg-support) |
| 14:07.43 | lardman | s/know/now ?? |
| 14:07.58 | lardman | gst was sat at ~18% cpu |
| 14:08.50 | felipec | lardman: yes, I think so... |
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| 14:09.16 | lardman | I think I know what I want anyway... :) |
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| 14:09.58 | felipec | lardman: have you checked osso-dsp-loader ? |
| 14:10.14 | lardman | felipec: no, I didn't know that existed |
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| 14:10.59 | dobey | holas! |
| 14:11.11 | lardman | felipec: looks like that's what I want, thanks |
| 14:11.35 | felipec | lardman: me neither :) I was just searching for all the stuff that we have |
| 14:12.13 | lardman | :) |
| 14:12.21 | lardman | I'll post a reply to the list and close my bug |
| 14:12.28 | lardman | assuming i can close bugs that is |
| 14:13.37 | dobey | can anyone tell me how to make networking work for maemo apps inside scratchbox? |
| 14:14.00 | felipec | lardman: which bug? |
| 14:14.08 | lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2498 |
| 14:14.17 | lardman | was wondering whether to make it fixed or invalid |
| 14:15.37 | felipec | lardman: well, I guess this needs to be written down somewhere |
| 14:16.05 | lardman | no-one but me uses it to be honest, I now know so can tell people if they want it |
| 14:16.28 | lardman | also, if I add a reply to the mailing list and bug tracker, then close the bug, people can search for it too |
| 14:17.05 | felipec | lardman: let me do that so people know they can ask me too |
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| 14:17.32 | lardman | oops, have already sent a post to the mailing list, with your irc name on it too though |
| 14:18.05 | lardman | do you want to close the bug? |
| 14:18.30 | felipec | lardman: all right |
| 14:19.58 | lardman | felipec: I've had some interest from someone who wants to write an SBC dsp task, is this worth pursuing or will it soon be duplicated? |
| 14:20.33 | lardman | s/wants to write/wants to collaborate and write |
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| 14:26.03 | felipec | lardman: well, it won't be duplicated work |
| 14:28.12 | lardman | felipec: okay, sorry to hear that in some ways, but it will give us something else to do :) |
| 14:28.23 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Do you know if it is already known that there are some issues with .wmv files. Yuv decoding artifacts, I guess? http://www.discoveryondemand.nl/broadband/broadband.jsp?site=nl&template=freeclipplay&clip_id=41 |
| 14:29.04 | alterego | Cool, I think I'll buy a USB gender changer this afternoon |
| 14:29.24 | X-Fade_ | felipec: It plays fine in the internal player after you click on the movie logo, but the colors are messed up. You see diagonal tearing.. |
| 14:29.39 | alterego | I didn't realise how easy it was to enable OTG host mode :) |
| 14:29.48 | dobey | hmm |
| 14:29.51 | dobey | hey felipec |
| 14:31.02 | shackan | mm, mi 800 is on "charging" since yesterday, should I worry? |
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| 14:31.18 | lardman | shackan: did you leave wifi on? |
| 14:31.30 | lardman | shackan: if so, or it automatically comes on, I wouldn't worry too much |
| 14:32.00 | shackan | lardman: the device itself is off |
| 14:32.21 | lardman | shackan: oh, no idea then |
| 14:32.48 | shackan | strange.. |
| 14:32.50 | lardman | shackan: try switching it on and continue charging, see if there's a bug |
| 14:33.15 | lardman | shackan: I doubt many people charge with the device off, so if it just keeps going few would see that |
| 14:34.28 | shackan | really? I expected it to be the norm to wait until the battery was drained and only then charge it, without anything running, maybe I'm just too cautious |
| 14:35.31 | shackan | (if there was a way to run it on my desk directly from wall power without using the battery at all I'd be much happier, too) |
| 14:35.35 | lardman | I wait until the "battery low" warning comes on and then charge, or if i need to use it just charge when it's on one bar |
| 14:35.55 | GeneralAntilles | You shouldn't wait until anything. |
| 14:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Charge it whenever you can. |
| 14:36.00 | lardman | the batteries are relatively cheap, just use it in a convenient way |
| 14:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | Draining it will kill the life of the battery. |
| 14:36.18 | X-Fade_ | Li-ion actually likes being charged.. |
| 14:36.23 | lardman | I thought they still have a fixed # of charges |
| 14:36.30 | shackan | GeneralAntilles: oh? |
| 14:36.42 | alterego | Yeah, you shouldn't completely discharge Li ion batteries. |
| 14:37.00 | shackan | crap |
| 14:37.07 | lardman | but they probably don't completely discharge do they, they moan about being flat before they are damaged |
| 14:37.20 | alterego | shackan, don't worry about it. The devices wont let the battery completely drain. |
| 14:37.21 | felipec | dobey: hey dobey :) long time no see |
| 14:37.23 | lardman | well before I would imagine |
| 14:37.35 | felipec | dobey: also involved in Maemo? |
| 14:37.41 | dobey | felipec: working on webkit |
| 14:37.45 | alterego | lardman, yes. Pretty much all systems have that logic built in :) |
| 14:37.53 | dobey | felipec: trying to make stuff work inside scratchbox |
| 14:37.53 | felipec | X-Fade_: is there a bug report for that? |
| 14:38.02 | shackan | I tought keeping it plugged would actually damage the battery, now I hear it's the opposite.. |
| 14:38.18 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Can't find one, but maybe you guys already have it in the internal bugzilla ;) |
| 14:38.26 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Which I can't see.. |
| 14:38.31 | alterego | shackan, don't worry about it. You can't completey drain the battery anyway :P |
| 14:38.34 | felipec | dobey: oh that's cool, I'm glad I don't have to work so much on scratchbox 1 though |
| 14:38.46 | lardman | X-Fade_: add it anyway, more exposure, etc. |
| 14:39.03 | shackan | alterego: so, when I'm not around, can I keep it on wall power ? |
| 14:39.09 | alterego | Sure |
| 14:39.15 | X-Fade_ | Can someone confirm if they see the artifacts too? |
| 14:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | shackan, that's an issue with laptops that run really hot. |
| 14:39.25 | dobey | felipec: yeah, things are easier when you have infinite devices at your request :) |
| 14:39.30 | alterego | Though, it's a bit of a waste. The device should be able to stay on for days without charging it .. |
| 14:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | NITs don't actually generate much in the way of heat. |
| 14:39.36 | alterego | As long as it's not doing anything. |
| 14:39.40 | shackan | aww, great |
| 14:39.45 | dobey | felipec: i don't think my n800 would be happy if i tried to build webkit on it though |
| 14:40.01 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Try running vagalume ;) |
| 14:40.13 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Makes it nice and warm. |
| 14:40.19 | cosmo__ | li-poly's don't have any memory effect, so charge as you wish. they start losing capacity when they leave factory (even if not used) |
| 14:40.37 | alterego | Heh, a USB ethernet adapter that supports "wake-on-lan" that sounds like a bit of a joke to me ^_^ |
| 14:40.50 | shackan | I'll use it a lot more then |
| 14:40.55 | shackan | :) |
| 14:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | Just leave it plugged in when you're at home. |
| 14:41.09 | shackan | well, not always |
| 14:41.20 | alterego | Yeah, mine's pluggin in when I'm at home/work. |
| 14:41.35 | shackan | but it's easier than dragging your laptop ad night to bed just to read something |
| 14:41.35 | alterego | It's only disconnected when I'm mobile :) |
| 14:41.45 | lardman | cosmo__: ok, thanks |
| 14:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | Then you always have it charged when you need it. |
| 14:41.55 | alterego | Yup |
| 14:41.56 | X-Fade_ | OS2008 now has a nice environmental message when full. 'Please unplug charger' ;) |
| 14:42.05 | alterego | Keepin' it topped up is a good idea. |
| 14:42.11 | shackan | X-Fade_: don't even get GeneralAntilles started on that :) |
| 14:42.12 | X-Fade_ | Although, they display that _when_ your remove the charger.. |
| 14:42.16 | alterego | Hah |
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| 14:42.19 | felipec | dobey: heh, I meant I prefer scratchbox 2 |
| 14:42.31 | fysa | anyone get evince running on os2008 yet? |
| 14:42.41 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, did you do the test to see if displaying that banner wastes more energy than having a fully charged unit plugged in? :) |
| 14:42.41 | inz | X-Fade, it means you should disconnect the charger from the other end too |
| 14:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 14:42.54 | dobey | felipec: scratchbox 2? |
| 14:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | Probably. :P |
| 14:42.58 | X-Fade_ | inz: yeah ;) |
| 14:43.00 | shackan | inz: right |
| 14:43.18 | X-Fade_ | inz: They should just make chargers that don't use power when idle.. |
| 14:43.27 | X-Fade_ | If they'd really care.. |
| 14:43.32 | lardman | ones with a switch you mean? |
| 14:43.33 | alterego | X-Fade_, nokia chargers do that :P |
| 14:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | My point exactly, X-Fade_! |
| 14:43.42 | cosmo__ | why don't they put power button to charger.. it's way too much effort to remove it from socket ;) |
| 14:43.42 | X-Fade_ | Just add some relais.. |
| 14:43.45 | felipec | dobey: yeap, very clean and easy, but I haven't tried a full Maemo SDK in there... maybe it's not ready yet for that |
| 14:44.00 | alterego | The standard Nokia chargers use basically no power when they're not charging the device. |
| 14:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | Vote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285 |
| 14:44.16 | X-Fade_ | alterego: I'm pretty sure they still use power.. |
| 14:44.22 | lardman | I'm off home to use dsp_dld |
| 14:44.30 | lardman | felipec: thanks for your help |
| 14:44.34 | lardman | bbl |
| 14:44.34 | alterego | X-Fade_, they do. But it's a _very_ small amount. They might aswell be off. |
| 14:44.34 | shackan | lardman: keep us posted :) |
| 14:44.44 | inz | Why can't you unvote bugs |
| 14:44.45 | inz | boring |
| 14:44.54 | lardman | will do, will be back on once I get home & boot the build machine anyway |
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| 14:45.05 | X-Fade_ | alterego: What is very small? A few Watts? |
| 14:45.05 | inz | As in "please don't fix this bug" |
| 14:45.05 | dobey | felipec: i don't know what "scratchbox 2" is :) |
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| 14:45.29 | alterego | X-Fade_, no, a few watts is lots. |
| 14:45.29 | dobey | felipec: all i see anywhere is "1.0.8 apophis r4" |
| 14:45.50 | alterego | X-Fade_, I've forgotten the figures. Hang on I'll get my plug monitor thingy. |
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| 14:45.51 | X-Fade_ | alterego: Some of them feel warm even when not in use. They must use something.. |
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| 14:46.15 | X-Fade_ | alterego: Although the one I got with my N95 seems to behave better.. |
| 14:46.16 | alterego | X-Fade_, rubbish. Not the switch-mode power supplies that come with the tablets. |
| 14:46.20 | alterego | And most phones .. |
| 14:46.37 | alterego | They don't even take much juice when they're charging. |
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| 14:46.54 | X-Fade_ | alterego: I have had lots of Nokia's and have lots of chargers everywhere ;) |
| 14:46.57 | Screaming | Boy, that was nice! Swimming(well ok paddling) a couple of weeks b4 Xmas. |
| 14:47.16 | alterego | Ah :) |
| 14:47.28 | shackan | bedboi: hi |
| 14:47.38 | bedboi | hi there shackan |
| 14:48.05 | shackan | bedboi: do I read correctly you're at supélec ? congrats :D |
| 14:48.13 | bedboi | shackan: yep |
| 14:48.24 | shackan | cool |
| 14:48.46 | bedboi | i'll go back to italy on December 20th |
| 14:48.58 | shackan | I've read a lot about that place |
| 14:48.59 | Screaming | supélec? |
| 14:49.03 | alterego | Right, I'm ordering a USB A female to A female adapter. A USB ethernet adapter and a USB serial adapter. |
| 14:49.04 | bedboi | supelec |
| 14:49.13 | bedboi | Screaming: supelec actually |
| 14:49.21 | alterego | Ooo .. I think I'll get an IrDA adapter too. |
| 14:49.32 | bedboi | shackan: about what? |
| 14:49.41 | Screaming | Ok goigle is my friend. |
| 14:49.42 | shackan | bedboi: the school |
| 14:50.01 | Spakman_ | hello - how do I specify commands to run at boot? |
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| 14:50.14 | alterego | Spakman_, create a boot script |
| 14:50.26 | Spakman_ | :) |
| 14:50.49 | shackan | bedboi: may I ask what you're doing there? |
| 14:51.13 | bedboi | i'm doing research on time delay systems |
| 14:51.15 | alterego | Spakman_, seriously, create a "custom" init.d script stick it in the /etc/init.d directory and symlink it to the appropriate rcX.d directory. |
| 14:51.43 | alterego | Probably 'rc2.d' if you want to run commands when shutting down too a similar scheme can be employed. |
| 14:52.12 | bedboi | shackan: actually it's a cross field, it's in between time-delay systems and networking |
| 14:52.16 | felipec | dobey: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 |
| 14:52.21 | felipec | dobey: it's a totally new beast |
| 14:52.27 | alterego | Neat, a USB -> 2x PS/2 unit. That'd be cool, could plug in a keyboard _and_ a mouse. |
| 14:52.40 | Spakman_ | wicked, thanks alterego |
| 14:52.43 | alterego | I'm going crazy ordering USB devices .. |
| 14:52.50 | shackan | bedboi: cool, in a completely unrelated note, when I started using westwood congestion control at home I discovered your lab implemented it, cool stuff |
| 14:53.17 | bedboi | yep, i'm currently workin' on it |
| 14:53.18 | dobey | felipec: oh |
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| 14:53.44 | bedboi | shackan: we hope to release a gigabit version in some time |
| 14:54.28 | alterego | Christmas is going to be very fun this year ^_^ |
| 14:54.40 | alterego | I'm gonna be plugging my N8X0's into each other. |
| 14:55.11 | Screaming | allterego! Thats incest. |
| 14:56.00 | Screaming | s/ll/l damn the n800 vkb |
| 14:56.03 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:56.05 | shackan | bedboi: what are france and italy like to a researcher? (compared to italy) |
| 14:56.13 | shackan | s/italy/USA/ |
| 14:56.15 | dobey | felipec: i just want stuff to work :) |
| 14:56.58 | bedboi | shackan: USA is more application oriented, whereas France is more theoretical oriented |
| 14:57.11 | shackan | (I know it's non of my business but I'm actually interested) |
| 14:57.17 | shackan | s/non/none/ damn |
| 14:57.18 | bedboi | i'm ok with both of them, being both a theoretical guy and a developer |
| 14:57.40 | felipec | dobey: depending on what stuff you are working on sb2 might be better... but I guess you should wait until it comes with the Maemo SDK... if that happens at all |
| 14:57.46 | bedboi | the bad part of france are the fu**ing strikes |
| 14:57.53 | X-Fade_ | felipec: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2502 |
| 14:58.14 | dobey | felipec: i just spent so much time getting the current sbox stuff working :( |
| 14:58.15 | shackan | uh? well usually italy is far worse in that regard (maybe not right now) |
| 14:58.28 | bedboi | AH! |
| 14:58.43 | bedboi | shackan: last time paris was totally stuck for 9 days |
| 14:59.07 | melmoth | and it s going to be same wednesday apparently.... |
| 14:59.08 | shackan | bedboi: but I doesn't happen once a month like here |
| 14:59.35 | alterego | Hmm .. If I get a decent power supply for my mini 4 port HUB. And a USB->Nokia charger connector. I can have powered USB and charger with only one wall plug. |
| 14:59.38 | alterego | That'd be nice. |
| 15:00.00 | shackan | alterego: powering the nokia via usb? |
| 15:00.00 | bedboi | shackan: you are wrong. They announced the third strike in 2 months |
| 15:00.08 | alterego | shackan, yeah. |
| 15:00.19 | Screaming | Anyone know who devs XChat? It's great, shoots pidgin in the head, but I want cut and paste from the log window. |
| 15:00.28 | bedboi | alterego: italian strikes are "soft", French guys have french revolution in mind. |
| 15:00.30 | shackan | alterego: n810 only, I assume? |
| 15:00.34 | bedboi | a/alterego/shackan |
| 15:00.35 | alterego | PSU->USB hub<->N8X0 |
| 15:00.57 | alterego | No, it'll work for the N800 too. |
| 15:01.05 | felipec | X-Fade_: ew, you are right |
| 15:01.16 | alterego | I'm looking for a USB->Nokia Power Plug |
| 15:01.28 | shackan | bedboi: mmkay, all I know is that at least once in a month I couldn't go to class unless I used the car |
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| 15:01.46 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Looks like yuv decoding. Color looks scaled and n+1 or something like that ;) |
| 15:02.02 | alterego | Oooo .. A DVB USB dongle .. |
| 15:02.14 | alterego | Watching DVB on my N800 would be neat. |
| 15:02.21 | bedboi | shackan: it took like 4 hours to get from charles de gaulle to paris, so now you can figure out how strikes are bad in paris |
| 15:02.35 | shackan | ouch |
| 15:04.13 | felipec | X-Fade_: indeed |
| 15:05.29 | alterego | Hah, "VoIP USB handset" ^_^ |
| 15:08.07 | alterego | Imagine plugging that into a tablet: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=49125&doy=7m12 |
| 15:09.24 | shackan | haha |
| 15:09.45 | alterego | "Acccess WiFi networks from outer-space" |
| 15:10.17 | alterego | "Boost your tablet's wireless range to the Orion Nebulae" |
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| 15:11.13 | Khertan | Grrrr one hour to make a methode to convert macroman to utf8 in 4D ! |
| 15:11.18 | Khertan | stupid language ! |
| 15:11.26 | wumpus | that's very useful for hitchhikers to the galaxy, I guess :P |
| 15:11.34 | shackan | I'm already using a wireless network 200m from here, indoors, without problems |
| 15:11.43 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Change the url to 48 and see the effect in a different way.. |
| 15:12.02 | Screaming | Alterego: You might manage it if you sat in the middle of a the Arecibo radio telescope |
| 15:12.15 | alterego | Hah |
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| 15:12.37 | alterego | Not seen one of these before: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027 |
| 15:12.53 | Screaming | Given 1000 years or so for a reply |
| 15:12.54 | Khertan | bedboi > and don't mind to go to the sud of paris to the north ... 5 hours !!! |
| 15:12.58 | Khertan | 3.5km |
| 15:13.20 | bedboi | Khertan: yep, so cool. |
| 15:13.25 | Khertan | if i know ... i go with my foot ... |
| 15:13.36 | Khertan | RAPT ... Rentre Avec Tes Pieds ! |
| 15:13.37 | bedboi | Khertan: so prepare for 12 :) |
| 15:13.39 | bedboi | ahahha |
| 15:14.19 | alterego | Ooo, 2 port USB KVM, That'd be handy for multiple tablets. |
| 15:14.48 | Khertan | (hum ... and it just a part of my travel ... i work in the south of Paris and live at the far north of it) (60km of public transport ... it s also why i ve make a python onboard editor :) ) |
| 15:17.18 | alterego | I think I'm gonna mock up a "tablet users christmas gift list" website :) |
| 15:17.48 | alterego | Of course the N810 will be at the top .. |
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| 15:20.57 | felipec | X-Fade_: yeap, I can see that too, I've filled internal bug reports for those |
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| 15:21.40 | X-Fade_ | felipec: Ok, thanks ;) |
| 15:21.51 | lardman | felipec: I see the deps for osso-dsp-loader are wrong, it wants rx-34-kernel-headers, but this doesn't exist and is probably called linux-kernel-headers |
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| 15:23.35 | lardman | or perhaps there should be a package called rx-34-kernel-headers rather than linux-kernel-headers |
| 15:24.29 | felipec | lardman: nope, rx-34 is supposed to be internal nomenclature =/ |
| 15:24.50 | lardman | there are some packages in there that match rx-34-* |
| 15:25.00 | lardman | and in fact the kernel source is one of them |
| 15:25.01 | lardman | iirc |
| 15:25.40 | Screaming | Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou ksgu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break." |
| 15:26.15 | Screaming | s/ksgu/kagu/ |
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| 15:27.51 | felipec | lardman: hmm, right, that needs to be fixed |
| 15:28.09 | lardman | felipec: cool, just thought I'd let you know |
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| 15:31.23 | lardman | hmm :) after asking for the dsp_dld source, it now dawn on me that the info I needed is in the error message anyway |
| 15:32.38 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m369572a6 shows a "text" section exists in the module with a size of 0x2d, where might that come from? |
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| 15:34.15 | VRe | Is there nice way to save/load data from python so that bash script can accept it also (VALUE="what ever")? .. traditional settings file format .. |
| 15:34.44 | shackan | lardman: you mean what's in that section? do you have the linker script? |
| 15:35.47 | lardman | shackan: the dsp linker script? the .cmd file? |
| 15:35.52 | kulve | lardman: why do you want the source for dsp_dld? |
| 15:36.05 | lardman | kulve: I thought I wanted to add some more debugging comments to it |
| 15:36.19 | lardman | kulve: it turns out I was just misreading the debugging output it had already produced |
| 15:36.22 | kulve | have you tried if the "upstream" version works? |
| 15:36.44 | melmoth | VRE http://pastebin.com/m245f8304 |
| 15:36.53 | lardman | kulve: yes, wouldn't compile, but we have the oss source anyway, was named something I didn't look for |
| 15:37.17 | Khertan | Screaming > arf ... of course ... but python package are available on maemo repository ... |
| 15:37.22 | melmoth | VRE you may want to get rid of lines 13 and 14 |
| 15:37.28 | lardman | "section text: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM)." was the message, I read it as "this is the section text: ..." rather than "section: text: this is the message" |
| 15:37.39 | shackan | lardman: I don't know how they named it, but there usually is a script in ld(1) syntax which describes what goes where |
| 15:38.23 | VRe | melmoth: thanks |
| 15:38.31 | lardman | shackan: The dsp is a bit funny, you link an object file into the kernel, then strip the kernel out of the object file, then it's dynamically loaded at run-time via dsp_dld |
| 15:38.46 | lardman | strip kernel out of the resultant object file that should read |
| 15:39.11 | shackan | what the.. ? |
| 15:39.20 | lardman | anyway "text" shouldn't exist, ".text" should |
| 15:40.05 | melmoth | VRE you may have to add bit to hande quote in variable , i havent used that. |
| 15:40.16 | shackan | yes, at least usually, maybe the dsp doesn't use the same naming :) |
| 15:41.05 | VRe | melmoth: I think I'll will make quotes illegal in my input, simpler life :) |
| 15:41.11 | shackan | lardman: can you list the sections? like readelf -S ? |
| 15:41.16 | lardman | int memmgr_placetask() in dld_memmgr.c is the function in question |
| 15:41.23 | lardman | shackan: probably, let me have a look |
| 15:42.57 | alterego | Hmm .. What's the kernel source package name? I can't find it because I'm retarded. |
| 15:43.28 | lardman | rx-34-something |
| 15:43.42 | shackan | (44 for the 810) |
| 15:43.52 | alterego | Okay .. |
| 15:44.04 | lardman | hmm, think it's still called 34 in the repo though |
| 15:44.09 | alterego | Okay |
| 15:45.58 | lardman | shackan: can't find any docs, here are the names: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m55741901 |
| 15:47.13 | alterego | Heh .. If I get a high capacity laptop battery, I could power my mini HUB, along with all peripherals, _and_ my table with the USB to Nokia charger adapter. |
| 15:47.16 | alterego | That would be nice. |
| 15:47.43 | shackan | lardman: mm, I meant `readelf -S /lib/dsp/modules/ivorbisidec.o` |
| 15:47.55 | lardman | shackan: I know, but it's not in elf format |
| 15:48.06 | shackan | ah |
| 15:48.28 | shackan | objdump -x then? :D |
| 15:48.40 | lardman | or dis55 in my lingo |
| 15:48.49 | shackan | ah |
| 15:49.33 | lardman | good call though |
| 15:49.35 | dobey | huh |
| 15:49.42 | lardman | badly named piece of asm |
| 15:49.54 | lardman | missed off the . in the section location |
| 15:49.58 | lardman | thanks |
| 15:52.18 | lardman | right, rebuilt again, will test after the pub :) |
| 15:52.22 | lardman | bbl |
| 15:53.30 | penguinbait | its pub time :) |
| 15:53.41 | penguinbait | Guiness for all |
| 15:53.57 | penguinbait | Nice tall draught |
| 15:54.04 | penguinbait | Cheers!! |
| 15:55.44 | guardian | i just had a crazy idea |
| 15:55.59 | guardian | my old P3 box died with my apache , trac and subversion servers |
| 15:56.17 | guardian | could a tablet be used as a personal server :D |
| 15:56.19 | guardian | ? |
| 15:57.07 | dragorn | technically yes |
| 15:58.05 | lopz | re |
| 15:58.40 | alterego | I'd get a USB IDE cable though .. |
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| 15:58.57 | alterego | That way you can have nice storage and you don't cane the flash. |
| 15:59.09 | guardian | yep |
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| 16:00.47 | zoran | or some linksys nas? |
| 16:06.46 | Vulc|Bleh | Does anyone know if midnight commander has been ported to 2008 yet? |
| 16:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | The bore version should work fine. |
| 16:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | *Bora |
| 16:07.40 | Vulc|Bleh | Hmm. Do you know where I'd find that? I was looking, though I'm probably braindead from not sleeping well. |
| 16:07.56 | shackan | argh, maemo-statusbar-usbnet was removed from 4.0 |
| 16:08.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=&file=mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb |
| 16:09.16 | Vulc|Bleh | Thanks |
| 16:10.21 | Khertan | OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!! Still not yet python binding for hildon-desktop ...... snif |
| 16:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | Your google-fu is weak, young Padawan learner. :) |
| 16:12.58 | Vulc|Bleh | Heh, yeah. |
| 16:13.26 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles ? |
| 16:13.36 | Vulc|Bleh | he was talking to me |
| 16:13.38 | Vulc|Bleh | pretty sure. |
| 16:13.58 | alterego | Khertan, migrate to Ruby-maemo :P |
| 16:14.03 | alterego | Like I said the other day .. |
| 16:14.09 | Khertan | alterego> grrrr |
| 16:14.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:14.24 | Khertan | Vulc|Bleh > i want to believe .... |
| 16:14.38 | Vulc|Bleh | Do you now. Athiesm has more perks. |
| 16:14.39 | zoran | alterego, python is must_have |
| 16:14.57 | alterego | python doesn't have the ability to make desktop applets yet .. |
| 16:15.01 | Khertan | alterego > can we execute python in ruby ? |
| 16:15.09 | alterego | Even though it's been in the SVN for months |
| 16:15.20 | zoran | who needs desktop apps? :) |
| 16:15.23 | Khertan | alterego> ruby hasn't the ability to execute python code :) |
| 16:15.38 | Khertan | zoran> i don't need the app, i need the binding to create it :) |
| 16:15.42 | alterego | Khertan, that's a feature python code isn't as good as ruby code .. |
| 16:15.44 | Vulc|Bleh | Meh, Quetoo needs to be ported to 2008 soon. |
| 16:15.52 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:16.04 | zoran | ah, python moves space crafts |
| 16:16.16 | Screaming | Khertan: Yep "remote end closed connection" on every python related dowwload. Gonna give up on application manager and wget everything myself |
| 16:16.31 | Khertan | alterego > i know it s in the svn ... but i don't have the ability to compile it ... i get many errors anywhere |
| 16:17.01 | Khertan | Screaming > strange .. i haven't this problem |
| 16:17.55 | alterego | Khertan, bug the pymaemo developer/s |
| 16:18.12 | alterego | It's really dumb it hasn't been incorporated into the package yet .. |
| 16:18.36 | bedboi | so now n810 is in a lot of nokia shops (usa, spain, france), btw the discount codes do not work yet... any eta on this? |
| 16:19.38 | Screaming | Bummer. Time for yet another reflash:-(. alerego: time for the Ruby python module" |
| 16:19.38 | zoran | encrypted and hidden? |
| 16:20.12 | alterego | I wouldn't use python on the device. Why would I want to add support for it? |
| 16:20.27 | Khertan | alterego > it s not developped by pymaemo developers ... but by lucasr ... from nokia ... |
| 16:20.44 | alterego | Khertan, that's no excuse .. |
| 16:21.00 | alterego | It's up to the pymaemo developers, so bug them if you want a feature. |
| 16:21.52 | Khertan | alterego > yes, but i don't like to boring open source developpers which create software for free ... :) |
| 16:22.04 | zoran | ??? |
| 16:22.12 | GeneralAntilles | Why a reflas, Screaming? |
| 16:22.31 | Khertan | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. |
| 16:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | s/reflas/reflash |
| 16:22.32 | Khertan | grrr |
| 16:22.36 | alterego | Khertan, then you'll likely never get your pymaemo software improved. |
| 16:23.00 | Khertan | two minutes before ... this bug tracker working ....:( |
| 16:23.17 | Khertan | alterego > yes i know |
| 16:23.35 | Screaming | GA I reckon I've probably hacked this one to death. No problem: I gotta copy on MMC. |
| 16:24.22 | alterego | Khertan, well stop complaining about it if you're not prepared to do anything to improve your situation .. |
| 16:24.59 | Khertan | alterego> in fact i ve post a mail on the mailing list ... and i ve contacted directly lucasr ... |
| 16:25.16 | alterego | Why would lucas help? |
| 16:25.22 | Khertan | who said that it ll be available this week ... it s why i m waiting |
| 16:25.23 | alterego | He's not pymaemo .. |
| 16:25.36 | Khertan | alterego> no but it's the developpers of this binding ... |
| 16:25.54 | alterego | -_- |
| 16:25.54 | Khertan | but yes once the tracker will be available again ... i ll post a report |
| 16:26.06 | alterego | I can't find the kernel source. |
| 16:26.09 | Khertan | s/it/he |
| 16:26.17 | alterego | It doesn't appear to be anywhere in apt-cache O_O |
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| 16:28.53 | Khertan | alterego > does the binding for ruby are simple ? |
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| 16:29.06 | alterego | Khertan, extremely. |
| 16:29.07 | Khertan | maybe i should do it myself :) |
| 16:29.28 | alterego | Or you could compile the one that's already available .. |
| 16:30.06 | Khertan | alterego > i ve tryed :) |
| 16:30.17 | Khertan | but unsuccesfull |
| 16:30.29 | alterego | Oh, well that's a shame. Why don't you try harder :P |
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| 16:31.04 | Khertan | because its a compile error |
| 16:31.12 | Khertan | and don't understand why.... |
| 16:31.23 | zoran | error messaage? |
| 16:31.40 | Khertan | it s related to a bug with qemu ...if i understand |
| 16:31.48 | zoran | ah! |
| 16:32.03 | alterego | Oh, it uses python to compile it. |
| 16:32.17 | alterego | I posted a fix for that on the mailing list. |
| 16:32.18 | Khertan | it s a stupid makefile ... ! |
| 16:32.26 | Khertan | i hate auto* |
| 16:32.27 | alterego | Or you could use the eabi qemu package .. |
| 16:35.24 | Khertan | yes once i ve understand how to install it... |
| 16:36.15 | Khertan | and once i ve found how i can resolv my dns problem under the sdk vmware or how to install xephyr on the last ubuntu distribution |
| 16:37.31 | Khertan | last commit on 2007-08-22 .... seems a bit abandonned |
| 16:37.41 | X-Fade_ | Hmm nice. I am now using my N95 as BT GPS for my N800 with Maemo Mapper ;) |
| 16:39.05 | Khertan | there is more file for compilation than for the module ... lol |
| 16:40.34 | L0cutus | anyone have ported 'pan' newsgroup reader to os2008 ? |
| 16:40.39 | felipec_ | alterego: is the kernel source supposed to be there? this probably should be on the public omap tree |
| 16:41.01 | alterego | felipec_, yes. I've found it now. |
| 16:41.05 | alterego | kernel-source-rx-34 |
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| 16:42.25 | felipec_ | alterego: hm, I don't have it in my Chinook =/ |
| 16:43.01 | alterego | Check your apt/sources.list file .. |
| 16:43.11 | alterego | There's a kernel compilation how to on the maemo website. |
| 16:46.54 | Khertan | bye ... |
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| 16:58.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 16:59.49 | L0cutus | ciao Jaffa (18.00 here ;) |
| 17:00.08 | Jaffa | 16:58 here, was using UGT ;-) |
| 17:00.55 | L0cutus | hehe |
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| 17:32.40 | zoran | hah, more than 20 Mb |
| 17:32.55 | alterego | I meant compile actually .. |
| 17:33.07 | alterego | I've got 400M left on my /scratchbox partition O_O |
| 17:33.21 | zoran | really need that? |
| 17:33.36 | alterego | I don't know :P |
| 17:33.43 | alterego | I couldn't compile microb .. |
| 17:33.46 | zoran | vi is fine for most people |
| 17:33.51 | alterego | vi sucks. |
| 17:33.56 | zoran | hm! |
| 17:34.07 | alterego | I'd rather use nano .. |
| 17:34.08 | Fatal | vi <3 <3 |
| 17:34.13 | Fatal | figures |
| 17:34.36 | zoran | R.Stallman would like alterego |
| 17:34.54 | alterego | R.Stallman worships me :P |
| 17:35.20 | zoran | someone saw user manual for e51? none on nokia site |
| 17:35.23 | alterego | He loves me and my rubyz |
| 17:35.43 | zoran | ah, RS is in no relationship with love or hate |
| 17:36.24 | zoran | he uses some argentinian distro and probably no graphics |
| 17:36.25 | alterego | I'm gonna go late night accessory shopping. |
| 17:36.42 | alterego | This is my shopping list: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/christmas_list.html |
| 17:36.50 | zoran | woodoo candle for n810? |
| 17:38.12 | alterego | OABI compat? |
| 17:38.17 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 17:39.50 | alterego | Hmm .. No MISC binary support either .. That's un expected. |
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| 17:42.37 | inz | I wonder whose WLAN I am using... |
| 17:43.07 | alterego | Mine, get off :P |
| 17:45.21 | inz | Unlikely |
| 17:45.33 | inz | Oh well, the network I intended to use worked after all |
| 17:45.42 | inz | I probably just misspelled the WPA key |
| 17:46.03 | alterego | I'm glad I get cheap cell access. Gonna make the trip this weekend more fun. |
| 17:46.41 | inz | I think I could get mobile intternets for 9,99 e/month, but it would about triple my phone bill... |
| 17:47.13 | alterego | I just pay for a day of use. |
| 17:47.19 | alterego | £1 per day |
| 17:47.29 | alterego | Gives me up to 25M |
| 17:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | What happens if you go over, alterego? |
| 17:52.05 | inz | $$$? |
| 17:52.10 | inz | Or, £££ in this case |
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| 17:55.58 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, it's pretty expensive, though not as bad as normal/ |
| 17:56.25 | alterego | Unfortunately it's not HSCDA |
| 17:56.51 | alterego | Only GPRS/EDGE |
| 17:56.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | The key to using EDGE is to browse and do something else. |
| 17:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | Start loading a website |
| 17:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | then read a book for a little bit. |
| 17:57.29 | hugolp | alterego: thats the best mobile internet you can get in England? |
| 17:57.30 | alterego | Really? Why's that? |
| 17:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Go back when the website's done. |
| 17:57.50 | alterego | Oh, hah |
| 17:58.00 | alterego | I thought you meant do something else that'll use the connection ;) |
| 17:58.19 | hugolp | in Spain we get 3G for 1'6 euros day (no limit) |
| 17:58.22 | alterego | hugolp, not really, but the UK data plans are pretty crap and that's a quite good deal seeing as I'm PAYG |
| 17:58.56 | hugolp | unfortunatelly the company offering that is young and only has 3G in big cities, the rest is GPRS |
| 17:59.02 | hugolp | but it should get better |
| 17:59.23 | hugolp | I asumed that would be normal in England, as we allways get the good things years later |
| 18:00.52 | alterego | Neah, mobile internet isn't really that big out of 3G |
| 18:01.36 | alterego | lardman, those were my sentiments too. Until I found out about this cheap £1 for a day thing :) |
| 18:02.17 | hugolp | lardman: 1.6 euros day its almos what a phoneline broadband conection costs in Spain |
| 18:02.25 | alterego | Yeah, I can get that for ~£16 p/m |
| 18:02.26 | hugolp | GeneralAntilles: where are you from? |
| 18:02.33 | alterego | But I pay that for broadband already .. |
| 18:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | Florida, USA. :) |
| 18:02.41 | hugolp | bah... |
| 18:02.42 | hugolp | XD |
| 18:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, that should be: 8) |
| 18:03.15 | alterego | I heard data plans in American were bad .. |
| 18:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Or are these sunglasses? B) |
| 18:03.19 | alterego | That's pretty good. |
| 18:03.31 | hugolp | Ive read some things about Japan that make me feel ashame |
| 18:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, Japan has outrageous population density. |
| 18:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | The government is pouring cash into the tech industry, too. |
| 18:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's not as fluffy and wonderful as it sounds |
| 18:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | and certainly isn't sustainable (from an economic, not environmental point of view). |
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| 18:05.00 | lardman | I guess it depends how much you pay for your phone line rental (assuming you pay monthly like I do), for expensive plans (e.g. >£30) you tend to get more Mb of downloads |
| 18:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a shared family plan with the folks. |
| 18:05.52 | alterego | Hmm .. why use a USB->RS232 dongle if the tablets already have an RS232 port .. |
| 18:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | $50/mo or so for a pool of 500 shared rollover minutes. |
| 18:05.56 | alterego | Well, serial port .. |
| 18:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | then $5 per additional line |
| 18:06.29 | hugolp | lardman: taxes inclued I pay in my house about 35 euros for the broadband and 15 euros for the line rental |
| 18:06.30 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: that works out ok |
| 18:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's easier to find and buy one of those than manufacturing a custom connector? |
| 18:06.44 | alterego | Yeah .. You're right there ;) |
| 18:06.51 | lardman | hugolp: for broadband + line rental I pay ~£21/month |
| 18:07.05 | hugolp | 21 pounds is like 30 pounds... |
| 18:07.12 | hugolp | 30 eruos* |
| 18:07.16 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:07.19 | hugolp | Spain is expensive |
| 18:07.24 | hugolp | in technology |
| 18:07.26 | alterego | I was gonna say. You're loop back exchange rate is a bit high ;) |
| 18:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an OBD-II reader hooked up to a bluetooth module for car diagnosis with my N800. :D |
| 18:07.38 | lardman | I've got a decent deal as I'm near a loop unbundled exchange |
| 18:07.46 | lardman | otehrwise I'd pay an extra £10 |
| 18:08.52 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking of getting one of those, how much was the OBD2-BT thingy? |
| 18:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | $130USD all told. |
| 18:09.08 | lardman | not bad |
| 18:09.21 | lardman | but here, it would probably be £130 |
| 18:09.28 | alterego | I don't really understand those things. |
| 18:09.31 | alterego | And I don't drive ;) |
| 18:09.55 | lardman | It sits there and listens on the On Board Diagnostics port, listens to ECU messages |
| 18:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | The computer will throw flags when there's something wrong. |
| 18:10.37 | GeneralAntilles | You can read those flags with an OBD-II reader |
| 18:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | Use CarMan plus the bluetooth module |
| 18:10.50 | GeneralAntilles | look up the codes on the internet. |
| 18:11.00 | lardman | data are continually sent down the bus, including things like engine speed, throttle pos, and error codes |
| 18:11.17 | alterego | Is there something wrong with your dashboard? |
| 18:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | ... |
| 18:11.35 | lardman | would have made some of my PhD work easier - to record the data and analyse the manoeuvres later |
| 18:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | You get info from the O2 sensors and such, too. |
| 18:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, my dashboard has about a dozen lights |
| 18:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | maybe 5 of them are sometimes useful |
| 18:12.00 | alterego | Interesting |
| 18:12.04 | lardman | otherwise, if you want vehicle data you need to instrument the car yourself |
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| 18:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | and the rest of the flags get thrown into the generic "check engine" light. |
| 18:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | So, if an O2 sensor fails |
| 18:12.37 | GeneralAntilles | then the "check engine" light comes on. |
| 18:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | Which doesn't tell me anything |
| 18:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | With the OBD-II scanner, I can read the flags and see that there's something amiss with the O2 sensor (and which one, as there are often several). |
| 18:13.17 | GeneralAntilles | Saves me a trip to the mechanic. :) |
| 18:14.18 | lardman | can you write to the obd bus? override the throttle position for example? |
| 18:14.35 | GeneralAntilles | Not with Carman |
| 18:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | Doubtful with anything else. |
| 18:15.03 | lardman | that would be useful, otherwise you need an ecu replacement |
| 18:15.44 | lardman | from a university testing perspective at least |
| 18:16.09 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have the cash for tuning of any sort. :P |
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| 18:16.44 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: ah no, not tuning, research |
| 18:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. |
| 18:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't have any reason to be doing research, either. |
| 18:17.05 | lardman | lol |
| 18:17.09 | lardman | nor do I anymore |
| 18:17.40 | lardman | well the vorbis dsp task runs, and complains that the ogg file I'm sending it is "Input does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream." |
| 18:17.50 | alterego | Interesting the kernel already has USB ethernet support :) |
| 18:18.21 | lardman | they compiled in a number of useful modules (from looking at the initial dmesg output) |
| 18:19.10 | alterego | Not USB_SERIAL .. |
| 18:19.20 | lardman | a finite number ;) |
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| 18:27.33 | lardman | I'd like to use the address of a structure which is declared globally in one file like so: struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec = |
| 18:27.34 | lardman | { |
| 18:27.41 | lardman | blah } |
| 18:28.06 | lardman | but even if I do: extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec; I'm getting bus errors |
| 18:28.19 | lardman | Is this expected, or just a curiosity of the DSP? |
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| 18:33.29 | bedboi | alterego: using fuse? |
| 18:33.37 | alterego | No, CRYPTOLOOP |
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| 18:33.48 | alterego | I'm doing fuse too .. |
| 18:34.25 | shackan | alterego: how do I enable it tough? |
| 18:34.42 | alterego | You compile the module like me :P |
| 18:34.51 | alterego | Or wait for me to release a package. |
| 18:35.43 | alterego | I want to integrate with the system properly. So it prompts for a password when mounting the device and it shows up in the file manager properly. |
| 18:35.46 | alterego | But we'll see. |
| 18:36.17 | shackan | alterego: sorry, I mean the usb networking |
| 18:36.44 | alterego | Oh, you need to first enable usb host mode, then buy a USB->Ethernet adapter. |
| 18:37.03 | alterego | Other than that I don't know. As I've not got a USB ethernet adapter yet. |
| 18:37.06 | shackan | uh? can't use the usb cable as is? |
| 18:37.28 | alterego | How would you plug it into an ethernet port? |
| 18:37.32 | alterego | O_O |
| 18:37.50 | alterego | If you're talking about the USB networking mode .. Then that's in there too. |
| 18:37.50 | shackan | I don't want to, I've got plenty of usb ports (and my only ethernet is taken) |
| 18:38.09 | alterego | search for g_ether shackan |
| 18:38.40 | alterego | The apropriate modules are already installed by default in OS2008. So it's just a matter of setting it up and configuring it. |
| 18:38.51 | alterego | You don't need to be in host mode either I don't think. |
| 18:39.26 | shackan | alright, I hoped there was a panel applet to do that, silly me |
| 18:39.47 | alterego | Well, I plan on writing one if that's of any help ;) |
| 18:40.12 | shackan | totally :) |
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| 18:44.53 | shackan | ouch, it's fugly to set up |
| 18:52.12 | Vulc|Bleh | Does anyone know if mplayer works on 2008 yet? |
| 18:52.44 | alterego | It's in the repository. |
| 18:52.56 | Vulc|Bleh | Did not see it, do you know which repo? |
| 18:53.07 | alterego | The repository. |
| 18:53.22 | alterego | I don't know. |
| 18:53.27 | alterego | It's in one of them. |
| 18:53.30 | lardman | kulve: when you were suffering from poll errors, did they produce bus errors in your arm-side code? |
| 18:53.45 | lardman | Vulc|Bleh: yes it does |
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| 18:55.07 | kulve | lardman: iirc, no |
| 18:55.35 | lardman | kulve: I see a poll error message then I get a bus error |
| 18:55.57 | lardman | kulve: anyway, perhaps they're not related |
| 18:58.25 | kulve | did you tried poll disabling? |
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| 18:59.04 | lardman | kulve: The error occurs before hand, it appears that my code doesn't correctly kill itself it this happens |
| 18:59.06 | kulve | poll_disable(task) |
| 18:59.17 | kulve | ok |
| 18:59.38 | lardman | kulve: yeah, I should really sort it out so it returns rather than waiting to be killed |
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| 19:12.53 | K`zan | Wonder if the n800 will drive a usb->serial converter? Anyone know? |
| 19:13.21 | K`zan | Would be nice for some ham radio apps :-) |
| 19:13.48 | alterego | K`zan, it should do yes. |
| 19:14.05 | alterego | One of the indt guys I believe has had luck without having to use an external power supply. |
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| 19:15.08 | JZA | hi anyone can help me out solving a problem with ncurses |
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| 19:15.26 | JZA | I am trying to install a different ncurses-bin |
| 19:15.49 | JZA | I got the following output |
| 19:15.50 | JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258039 |
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| 19:20.22 | JZA | anyone here? |
| 19:20.48 | lardman | can you force the install somehow? |
| 19:21.06 | JZA | lardman: well if you see the output I got a problem with a program called clear |
| 19:21.14 | lardman | kulve: do you know how to return an error to the arm-side from the dsp via the ioctls? |
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| 19:21.32 | JZA | I am not sure what clear is or where does it depends on it |
| 19:21.33 | lardman | is there a --force switch (or similar) for dpkg? |
| 19:21.40 | JZA | lardman: I guess |
| 19:21.53 | JZA | unfortunately I dont use debian and maemo doesn't has a man |
| 19:21.56 | JZA | but google help |
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| 19:23.04 | JZA | itseems is --force-XXX |
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| 19:23.58 | K`zan | alterego: Thanks, that is exciting, now to find adapers for mini-usb-> regular. May have to make them... |
| 19:25.33 | Screaming | Cool, the backup/restore apps thingy on 2008 seems to make life almost easy. |
| 19:25.51 | lardman | dpkg install --force-overwrite blah.deb |
| 19:26.08 | lardman | or first of all: dpkg install --force blah.deb |
| 19:26.40 | lardman | JZA: that's what I'd try anyway |
| 19:27.40 | JZA | lardman: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056 |
| 19:27.53 | JZA | same problem |
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| 19:29.20 | alterego | K`zan, I'm just buying an A-female to A-female adapter. |
| 19:29.26 | alterego | They're about £5 |
| 19:29.34 | lardman | I wonder why you get: "# |
| 19:29.35 | lardman | mv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory |
| 19:29.39 | lardman | oop |
| 19:29.44 | lardman | copy and paste errors ;) |
| 19:30.03 | lardman | but then also get: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/clear', which is also in package busybox |
| 19:30.25 | lardman | JZA: I don;t know, sorry. Debian packaging isn't really my forte |
| 19:30.53 | JZA | well the problem really is here |
| 19:31.00 | JZA | catching the return |
| 19:31.03 | JZA | is there a log for dpkg |
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| 19:31.20 | JZA | lardman: it says: post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 19:31.26 | geoffeg | Any information on embedded the mozilla rendering engine in my own application? |
| 19:31.31 | JZA | is there a way of knowing more info about why it failed |
| 19:32.09 | lardman | there may be a -V switch to make it more verbose, I don't know though |
| 19:32.13 | lardman | supper time |
| 19:32.21 | geoffeg | stop, supper time |
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| 19:37.14 | alterego | geoffeg, look into gtkmozembed |
| 19:37.25 | geoffeg | will do |
| 19:38.56 | geoffeg | alterego: i was mostly wondering if the moz engine on the device had the required includes and such to be extensible |
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| 19:39.49 | alterego | It has the library. |
| 19:39.58 | alterego | But you need to compile the dev package. |
| 19:40.06 | alterego | As it's not in the maemo repository. |
| 19:41.21 | geoffeg | so do i need to build the dev packages manually? |
| 19:42.25 | geoffeg | i'm really trying to figure out how i want to do this.. I want to build a better RSS reader.. In some ways I think it'd be very simple to create a web-based RSS reader that uses perl and a simple perl web server on the device. The nokia tablets already have perl and it wouldn't take much perl to make a good RSS reader.. |
| 19:42.46 | geoffeg | I've already got liferea and frothing compiled and mostly working but they use gtkhtml.. |
| 19:44.27 | alterego | There is no Perl Gtk/Hildon library for maemo. |
| 19:44.48 | geoffeg | right, but i wouldn't need it.. the interface to the RSS reader would be the web browser. |
| 19:45.02 | geoffeg | and since most of RSS is viewing HTML.. why not use the web browser? |
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| 19:45.21 | alterego | So why would you need to embed gtk into an app? |
| 19:45.30 | alterego | You're not doing that at all .. |
| 19:45.57 | geoffeg | alterego: well that's what i'm trying to figure out.. do i go with the perl/web browser approach or do i get liferea working better? |
| 19:46.32 | geoffeg | the liferea port to maemo needs some interface changes, integration with mozilla, etc |
| 19:48.10 | alterego | I could take all my work around with me and use it in whatever machine I happen to be infront of .. |
| 19:48.14 | alterego | It'd be neat. |
| 19:48.35 | geoffeg | alterego: i've got a 40GB 2.5 USB drive, quite handy for bigger files |
| 19:48.52 | geoffeg | I use it with my laptop.. all my games are on it |
| 19:48.57 | alterego | Cool. |
| 19:49.08 | alterego | Have you used it with the tablet? |
| 19:49.25 | geoffeg | alterego: no, i haven't done any of the work required to power a USB device off the tablet |
| 19:49.45 | geoffeg | alterego: i've got an 8GB SD card in my n800, still haven't come close to filling it up |
| 19:50.00 | alterego | I guess you don't have much music on there. |
| 19:50.27 | geoffeg | alterego: nope, got my ipod |
| 19:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:51.10 | alterego | Bloody iCrap :P |
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| 19:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | I want my 128GB SD cards. |
| 19:51.43 | geoffeg | alterego: it works fine for me.. and the n800 has some sound issues when i use it in my car |
| 19:52.05 | alterego | pfft |
| 19:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, alterego. It's just an MP3 player. ;) |
| 19:53.14 | alterego | Damn expensive MP3 player that's prone to breaking and the only reason it's sold so well is because people are fashion following freaks :P |
| 19:53.32 | geoffeg | alterego: my ipod has never broken or had a problem.. |
| 19:53.38 | geoffeg | but yes, i'm fashionable, i bought the black one |
| 19:53.41 | geoffeg | I'M SO COOL! |
| 19:53.46 | K`zan | alterego: That, for some reason, makes sense :). |
| 19:53.48 | alterego | And don't get me started on the locked down interface and craptunes .. |
| 19:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, neither have the 6 my family has had since the original 10GB. |
| 19:54.50 | geoffeg | GeneralAntilles: the original was 5GB :) |
| 19:54.54 | alterego | Hmm .. I new I should have bought that 6300 yesterday. |
| 19:55.03 | alterego | I could be playing with it right now :( |
| 19:55.03 | GeneralAntilles | The original-10GB |
| 19:55.25 | geoffeg | alterego: i want an n95 :) |
| 19:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | Not the original iPod, but the first 10GB model. |
| 19:55.36 | Vulc|Bleh | I did not buy my ipod to be cool, or for fasion, etc. I bought it because it actually worked, unlike my Zen Vision. |
| 19:55.44 | alterego | geoffeg, I'm suprised you don't want an iCrap/Phone |
| 19:56.11 | Vulc|Bleh | iPoo'd. |
| 19:56.17 | geoffeg | alterego: d00d! :) |
| 19:56.26 | alterego | Excuse you Vulc|Bleh :P |
| 19:56.26 | rip__ | there is #iphone |
| 19:56.27 | rip__ | :P |
| 19:56.32 | rip__ | to chat about how awesome they are |
| 19:56.34 | rip__ | :P |
| 19:56.36 | kulve | lardman|food: by returnin non-zero? I.e. MBCMD_EID_*? |
| 19:58.20 | lardman | kulve: yes, or by calling cmderr() |
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| 19:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think Apple will end up doing a lot of good to spur the competition in the cellular market. |
| 19:59.21 | kulve | lardman: hmm.. ok. |
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| 20:00.02 | lardman | what I really need is a way for my vorbis thread, if there's an error, to close the task down |
| 20:00.16 | Screaming | Thnx for advice re: python/kagu. Clearly it was my hackery cos they both came in fine. Someone ought to fix the fact you have to install gzip from Maemo Chinook to get python. And the fact you gotta the install python-cairo to get kagu. Its not newbie-obvious I guess. |
| 20:00.41 | lardman | either by returning some value to the arm-side that lets it know to close the device, or by calling some function to close the task, and then the arm-side will cause an error trying to write/read from the device file |
| 20:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | bz2 you mean, right, Screaming? |
| 20:01.54 | Screaming | GA: Sorry, quite right - bzip2 |
| 20:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | and it's from Bora, extras, no? |
| 20:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | Everything should go 100% if you have both Chinook and Bora extras. |
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| 20:12.23 | kulve | lardman: Want to try again installing the ogg-support 0.4? |
| 20:12.40 | kulve | lardman: same url, hopefully nothing caches it on your end.. |
| 20:13.05 | lardman | kulve: let me see if I have the url in my n800 - I've moved location |
| 20:13.48 | lardman | installing now |
| 20:14.38 | kulve | thx |
| 20:14.48 | lardman | the moment of truth..... |
| 20:15.17 | lardman | works :) |
| 20:15.33 | kulve | Great |
| 20:15.45 | kulve | but no id3/whatever metainfo on the oggs? |
| 20:15.45 | lardman | no icon in the filemanager tho |
| 20:15.49 | kulve | oh? |
| 20:16.00 | kulve | ah, yes |
| 20:16.04 | kulve | no icon |
| 20:16.19 | lardman | no, just name & duration |
| 20:16.23 | kulve | those just need to be renamed |
| 20:16.41 | kulve | it does know how to get the meta info too.. |
| 20:16.54 | kulve | it just don't even try now |
| 20:17.26 | lardman | it may be that my clips have no data |
| 20:17.38 | lardman | they are just test samples for the dsp task |
| 20:17.41 | kulve | no, I don't see them either atm |
| 20:18.06 | lardman | you should add an icon though, makes it easier to see the file |
| 20:18.07 | lardman | s |
| 20:18.14 | kulve | surew |
| 20:18.16 | kulve | -w |
| 20:18.25 | lardman | well done though :) |
| 20:18.40 | kulve | the icon just need to be named in the same way as the mime type and now it doesn't |
| 20:18.58 | lardman | why were you using libvorbisdec rather than libivorbisidec? |
| 20:19.10 | lardman | i.e. fp vs fixed point |
| 20:19.11 | Screaming | GeneralAntilles: The bzip2 one should go ok if you have the repos. The python-cairo may well be a missing dependency in the .deb cos I had to install it manually to get kagu going. |
| 20:19.25 | kulve | I though to include them both without thinking that the device could choose the wrong one.. |
| 20:19.33 | kulve | and ofc it does.. |
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| 20:20.04 | kulve | the reason was that I though that if somebody has a hardcoded pipeline using the fp version it would work too.. |
| 20:20.09 | lardman | tremor is faster for vfp or non-vfp enabled machines, little point in using the floating point code |
| 20:20.14 | kulve | sure |
| 20:20.26 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 20:21.11 | kulve | jmspeex: btw: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/ |
| 20:21.39 | kulve | jmspeex: I made some "benchmarking" when I added the speex, but those can be wrong too.. |
| 20:24.14 | alterego | I wonder how easy it would be to get DVB on my tablet. |
| 20:24.23 | alterego | I think I'll buy a USB DVB dongle tomorrow and see. |
| 20:24.43 | shackan | that would rock |
| 20:24.47 | shackan | how much are they? |
| 20:25.03 | kulve | alterego: what about scaling the video? Don't it take too much cpu power? |
| 20:25.12 | alterego | About 40 USD me thinks. |
| 20:25.16 | lardman | have a look at the openzaurus/angstrom lot |
| 20:25.27 | alterego | kulve, no idea. I'll have to do some tests. |
| 20:25.29 | lardman | www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 20:25.30 | shackan | mmm, and even less in € |
| 20:25.34 | alterego | It's just an mpeg stream .. |
| 20:25.52 | kulve | alterego: yes, with so high bitrate that the tablet will choke on it |
| 20:26.09 | alterego | pfft |
| 20:26.18 | alterego | WEll see |
| 20:26.24 | kulve | you can try the same by loading the stream from a file.. |
| 20:27.36 | lardman | e.g. http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18349&hl=dvb |
| 20:30.37 | lardman | hmm, I thought someone had got one to work |
| 20:31.01 | lardman | I'll ask CoreDump at some point over the weekend |
| 20:32.40 | alterego | Cool |
| 20:32.43 | shackan | I tried a dvb stick from a former housemate of mine once, worked fine in kaffeine (which apparently was the only program which could tune to different channels) |
| 20:32.55 | shackan | I needed to download a piece of firmware tough |
| 20:33.05 | alterego | Well, I'm gonna get one regardless. |
| 20:33.13 | alterego | Just hope it's supported by Linux. |
| 20:33.24 | shackan | (of course that's on a laptop, tablets didn't exists at the time) |
| 20:33.31 | alterego | Lucky I own an internet tablet. I Can check when I'm in the store ;) |
| 20:34.00 | alterego | If it doesn't work with the tablet. It doesn't matter. I'll just use it with meh laptop. |
| 20:34.05 | shackan | uhm, how will you attach it? |
| 20:34.34 | alterego | I'll plug it into my mini powered hub |
| 20:34.48 | shackan | oh |
| 20:34.51 | alterego | I'm presuming it needs power. If not I'll just plug it directly in. |
| 20:35.37 | shackan | so you made/bought a cable? the default one is male on the "big" end |
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| 20:36.00 | alterego | No, I made and bought a female to female adapter |
| 20:36.15 | alterego | A custom cable would be pointless. |
| 20:36.18 | shackan | I see |
| 20:36.51 | alterego | This way I just need one cable for all USB stuff |
| 20:39.39 | alterego | Well, tomorrow I'm gonna buy a USB charger, USB to 10/100/1000 ethernet adapter and a DVB USB stick. |
| 20:39.48 | alterego | That'll keep me occupied for a while. |
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| 20:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | DVB on the tablets? |
| 20:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | That seems highly unlikely to work. |
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| 20:47.47 | alterego | "In early 2000, we were approached by Nokia with a proposal for a new standard Linux DVB API" .. What a coincidence ^_^ |
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| 20:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | What format is DVB? |
| 20:49.37 | alterego | MPEG2 |
| 20:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | and you plan to decode that on a tablet? |
| 20:52.36 | alterego | I expect mplayer to |
| 20:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of bitrates are you talking about? |
| 20:53.39 | alterego | I don't know, I'm reading up on it now |
| 20:54.01 | alterego | I want one for my laptop anyhow. Playing around with it on the tablet is just a gimic :P |
| 20:54.18 | alterego | Depending on it's performance, I might continue it and create a maemo-tv project. |
| 20:55.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=105771#post105771 |
| 20:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | Cheapy for any Canadians |
| 20:56.25 | alterego | + |
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| 21:01.44 | lardman|afk | alterego: You should be able to find a list of compatible chipsets, also from reading, some seem to not output mpeg2 but need to be encoded by the softeare on the PC |
| 21:02.30 | alterego | Yes, I know. |
| 21:03.02 | alterego | That's why I said it's handy having a tablet. I can just go to the shop tomorrow, and if I find a good one check it up on the net whilst in the shop .. |
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| 21:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | I love doing that when shopping for movies or games. |
| 21:12.50 | GeneralAntilles | See something interesting, just pull up the amazon review. |
| 21:14.45 | alterego | :) |
| 21:14.47 | alterego | Yup |
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| 21:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | Love it at the grocery store, too. |
| 21:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | "I want to make meatloaf tonight" |
| 21:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Pull up a recipe listing off google. |
| 21:17.45 | alterego | Yeah, I like doing that too. |
| 21:17.57 | alterego | I made a really nice thai curry the other week. All thanks to the tablet. |
| 21:18.05 | lopz | re |
| 21:18.34 | alterego | Just walking around the super market and thought, hmm .. I fancy making a thai curry. So I got out my N800 and found a nice recipe and got the ingredients :) |
| 21:18.58 | shackan | alterego: unfortunately most of us just use the tablets as bulky media players most of the time |
| 21:19.16 | alterego | I was listening to Radiohead at the same time if that's what you mean ;) |
| 21:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:19.53 | GeneralAntilles | My N800 almost makes air travel fun! |
| 21:19.56 | alterego | They are genius devices .. |
| 21:20.14 | sikahakki | I notice that os2007 got quite old kernel, is there more recent images 2.6.20 -> ? or can user compile own kernel? |
| 21:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | The seat and the tray table seem to combine into the least comfortable position for me, though. |
| 21:20.38 | alterego | Now, if I can find a cheap USB charger for my N800, I can use the powered mini hub and charge my tablet at the same time .. |
| 21:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | Set my N800 down on the tray and I have shooting neck pain within 30 minutes. |
| 21:20.51 | alterego | All through one wall plug/car plug |
| 21:21.13 | alterego | Jeez. |
| 21:21.53 | shackan | alterego: what I mean is that we're not blessed with everywhere connectivity |
| 21:22.34 | alterego | I wouldn't say most shackan, you're probably one of the only ones :P |
| 21:23.11 | shackan | mmm |
| 21:23.21 | celesteh | i got a very cheap mini-usb->nokia adaptor. I can stick it on the end of a miniusb cable |
| 21:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | I am, shackan. :) |
| 21:23.34 | celesteh | i don't even have a charger for my n800 that works in my current country |
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| 21:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | Let's do it again! |
| 21:52.46 | ds3 | anyone think more price drops are expected for the N800? |
| 21:53.02 | geoffeg | i wouldn't think so, the thing is already pretty cheap |
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| 21:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, ds3, highly unlikely. |
| 21:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Especially when you consider the 770's price trends. |
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| 21:57.28 | ds3 | guess it is time to strike... running out of memory on the 770 is getting old ;) |
| 21:58.13 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, you have no idea how much better the N800 is than the 770. |
| 21:59.12 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: 2 things that immediately would be good for me - real SD slots, more memory; the Google ad crap is a big minus though... anything I miss? (I know about the faster CPU, radio and camera) |
| 21:59.21 | alterego | Hmm, everytime ruby raises an exception it crashes hildon desktop ^_^ |
| 21:59.27 | alterego | I'm gonna have to fix that me thinks .. |
| 21:59.39 | glass_ | hehe |
| 21:59.52 | glass_ | well it would force devs to catch exceptions no?-) |
| 21:59.53 | alterego | Maybe make it pop up a dialog with the exception details in it. That would be useful. |
| 21:59.57 | glass_ | not too friendly tho |
| 22:00.03 | glass_ | yeah that sounds good |
| 22:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | Google ad crap? |
| 22:00.28 | alterego | It wouldn't be _so_ bad, but when hildon desktop starts it loses all the other home plugins .. |
| 22:00.30 | glass_ | alterego: i just wish all j2me vm's did that |
| 22:00.30 | ds3 | yeah, the units I have seen come up with a little toolbar by default that cycles through ads |
| 22:00.39 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | WTF are you talking about, ds3? |
| 22:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | The Web shortcut applet? |
| 22:01.21 | ds3 | letme see if I can find a reference to it; I helped a coworker setup theirs |
| 22:01.31 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: does that thing cycle between different things? |
| 22:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think so |
| 22:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | It was setup for the Tableteer site when I first turned mine on |
| 22:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | the 770 had the same thing. |
| 22:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | I disabled it. |
| 22:02.21 | ds3 | let me find a picture |
| 22:03.56 | alterego | It's static |
| 22:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | and you have the same thing on your 770. |
| 22:04.52 | ds3 | no, this one cycles through different things |
| 22:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | I'm certain I can't imagine what that would be. |
| 22:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | I've used my N800 every day for 11 months. |
| 22:05.29 | ds3 | i wonder if it is a recent thing they tacked on |
| 22:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | Also doubtful |
| 22:05.48 | ds3 | I can leave a wifi connection on and watch it cycle between different ads |
| 22:06.00 | alterego | What OS version? |
| 22:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | as I've used every revision of the N800 firmware ever publicly released. |
| 22:06.18 | ds3 | alterego: whatever buy.com is shipping |
| 22:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | Is it on the desktop? |
| 22:06.45 | ds3 | yes |
| 22:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's either the Tableteer or the Web shortcut applet. |
| 22:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | Both of which I disabled the day I got the device |
| 22:07.30 | alterego | Me too .. |
| 22:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | and both of which you have on your 770. |
| 22:07.46 | alterego | I only have the clock and my own ruby home applet on the desktop. |
| 22:08.01 | ds3 | it looks like the tableteer thing but it was cycling between different things |
| 22:08.10 | alterego | reset |
| 22:08.13 | ds3 | I found the tableteer on the 770 |
| 22:08.23 | ds3 | i wish i still have the 800 I had access to |
| 22:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, ds3, you can turn it off |
| 22:08.36 | ds3 | 'k |
| 22:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | and since I'm baffled by what you might be talking about |
| 22:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | we can conclude that it's not an issue. :) |
| 22:08.57 | ds3 | fair enough |
| 22:08.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:09.39 | ds3 | different thing, anyone used one of those checked book style cases on the 800 in place of the hard cover on the 770? |
| 22:10.04 | ds3 | s/checked/check/ |
| 22:10.12 | vlad_ | for the record, the case that comes with the n810 is pretty damn ugly |
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| 22:10.23 | vlad_ | it looks like something that a doctor would pull some kind of unpleasant testing tool out of |
| 22:10.29 | ds3 | vlad_: it comes with a case? all I saw was a little sack |
| 22:10.32 | vlad_ | (seriously, cyan and gray?) |
| 22:10.41 | vlad_ | yeah, it's some light gray faux leather thing which has cyan felt on the inside |
| 22:12.52 | vlad_ | well here, we live in the future, let me take a photo |
| 22:13.11 | ds3 | alternatively, are there other physical protection for the 800 people use? I am a bit rough on things and the 770's hard case has been very good |
| 22:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | I just used the sunglasses-style case it came with. |
| 22:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's resided in my pocket with my cellphone with no problems. |
| 22:14.13 | vlad_ | apparently, it takes a while for the future to work, waiting for my photo to show up on flickr that I sent |
| 22:14.23 | vlad_ | oh, so this isn't a hard case, it's just a leather sleeve thing |
| 22:14.34 | alterego | It's not even leather :P |
| 22:14.55 | vlad_ | yeah, sorry, faux-leather |
| 22:15.23 | lardman|afk | what 64bit number has a low 32bit=-1 and a high 32bits=-1? |
| 22:15.23 | alterego | I just thought it was felt ^_^ |
| 22:15.40 | vlad_ | the inside is felt |
| 22:16.36 | alterego | I think I'll make a steal case for the N810 ^_^ |
| 22:16.46 | alterego | Just a metal sleeve. |
| 22:16.53 | ds3 | a la the 770 case? |
| 22:17.11 | alterego | Something like that. More like the soft sleeve that comes with the N800, but rigid. |
| 22:17.24 | ds3 | nice |
| 22:17.34 | ds3 | wonder if the reed switches are still there |
| 22:17.49 | alterego | Hmm .. I can't find hciconfig O_O |
| 22:17.49 | ds3 | cuz the close lid and autodisconnect to save power is really nice on the 770 |
| 22:18.07 | alterego | No, there's no way the N800 has the magnetic sensor. |
| 22:18.12 | alterego | That's a silly thought. |
| 22:18.21 | ds3 | one can wish =) |
| 22:18.25 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, you want soft power off. |
| 22:18.26 | alterego | O_o |
| 22:18.48 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I want it done automatically when I put in my pocket |
| 22:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | It'll toggle sleep, lock inputs, and switch to (and out of) offline mode with one long keypress. |
| 22:19.04 | ds3 | I guess I can tolerate that |
| 22:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | In fact, this is shorter than putting the hard cover on the 770. |
| 22:19.24 | ds3 | prehaps I can add a working USB OTG stack to the wish list too? |
| 22:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | Honesty, the stand is a good trade for the hardcover. |
| 22:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's already there, ds3. |
| 22:19.43 | ds3 | that I will have to try for a few weeks to get a really good answer |
| 22:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | s/Honesty/Honestly |
| 22:20.02 | ds3 | GeneralAntilles: then why does flasher still offer the host/device options? |
| 22:20.08 | ds3 | did I miss something? |
| 22:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's old? |
| 22:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | Because it might still be useful for some people? |
| 22:20.23 | ds3 | oh so on the 800, I just need a power hub and that's it? |
| 22:20.24 | alterego | I guess there's no hci tools in maemo4 :/ |
| 22:20.27 | p| | does the n800 usb otg support usb powered hub ? |
| 22:21.30 | glass_ | does the usb with n800 work nowadays, and with which devices+ |
| 22:21.31 | glass_ | ? |
| 22:21.38 | alterego | p|, what do you mean "support USB powered hub"? |
| 22:22.13 | ds3 | alterego: maybe they hid the HCI tools in the another partition? |
| 22:22.18 | alterego | You can plug it into a powered USB hub. That's how I get host mode to work, with devices that require more than OTG power. |
| 22:22.19 | p| | alterego, if i want to connect an usb keyboard and an external hd |
| 22:22.25 | p| | i need an hub |
| 22:22.31 | alterego | Ah, yes. I use a hub. |
| 22:22.40 | alterego | Seems to work fine for me. |
| 22:22.48 | p| | but i've read that someone have problem with hub |
| 22:22.56 | ds3 | alterego: do you get a serious battery life hit if you use the USB port? |
| 22:23.06 | alterego | ds3, not that I've noticed. |
| 22:23.29 | ds3 | I've had the 770 go from full battery to zilch in about an hour if have used a USB device and not rebooted yet |
| 22:23.51 | alterego | That's unfortunate. |
| 22:24.21 | ds3 | heh, you're telling me... finding a dead N770 in your pocket is not a nice surprise ;) |
| 22:24.38 | p| | also i've noticed a battery life hit if i leave usb port connected to pc... |
| 22:24.53 | ds3 | p|, 800 or 770? |
| 22:24.56 | p| | n800 |
| 22:25.10 | alterego | Can't say I've noticed that. |
| 22:25.38 | ds3 | I can understand if it is connected (pull ups/downs/etc) |
| 22:25.58 | alterego | I barely use the USB PC connection. Only when flashing really. |
| 22:26.27 | alterego | WiFi and BT is enough connectivity for me. The USB PC connection is kind of pointless with the exception of flashing it. |
| 22:26.36 | alterego | Which will no longer be required .. |
| 22:26.38 | ds3 | thumbdrives I think are the biggest reason I can think of...maybe occasional CDROM access |
| 22:26.51 | p| | i use also to exchange files n800<>pc |
| 22:27.03 | alterego | sshfs ftw. |
| 22:27.15 | p| | much slow :) |
| 22:27.24 | alterego | It's fine .. |
| 22:27.31 | p| | 6-700k/s ? |
| 22:27.33 | alterego | Quicker than my USB 1.1 laptop me things .. |
| 22:27.41 | alterego | ~thinks .. |
| 22:28.11 | ds3 | don't suppose anyone has setup their 770/800 to print? |
| 22:28.50 | p| | i've read someone have ported cups ? |
| 22:31.24 | shackan | alterego: I can't find neither hciconfig nor pand, no idea where they ended up |
| 22:31.53 | p| | shackan, os2008 ? |
| 22:32.19 | shackan | yes |
| 22:32.45 | alterego | Pain in the ass .. |
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| 22:33.24 | p| | shackan, pand doesn't exixts on os2008 |
| 22:33.30 | p| | exists* |
| 22:33.54 | p| | search on itt, there is a workaround for this |
| 22:33.57 | shackan | p|: heh, I found out, but what was it replaced it? |
| 22:34.00 | shackan | mmkay |
| 22:34.15 | p| | using dbus |
| 22:34.27 | p| | never tried for now |
| 22:36.18 | p| | is fm radio for os2008 out ? |
| 22:39.12 | lardman | derf: you about for some tremor debugging? |
| 22:39.30 | shackan | p|: it is |
| 22:39.42 | shackan | p|: nothing relevant on ITT for 'pand' :( |
| 22:41.41 | lardman | Does anyone happen to know the usual function call progression through the tremor library....? |
| 22:43.36 | p| | shackan, wait, i try to find the thread |
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| 22:44.20 | shackan | lardman: you already ported tremor to the dsp? |
| 22:45.09 | lardman | shackan: yeah, it's running, but failing |
| 22:45.14 | p| | shackan, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666&highlight=pan+os2008 |
| 22:46.21 | lardman | shackan: fails with OV_ENOTVORBIS, I'm trying to track down what's wrong to cause this |
| 22:46.50 | shackan | p|: thanks, unfortunately seeing these hacked shell scripts just makes me want to puke, grrrrrrrr |
| 22:47.38 | shackan | lardman: no idea :\ |
| 22:47.43 | lardman | any gdb gurus on here? |
| 22:48.22 | shackan | what do you need? |
| 22:49.06 | lardman | I'm thinking I'll run the tremor library on arm and step through to see where the two diverge |
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| 22:49.46 | shackan | whoa, good luck |
| 22:49.50 | lardman | I was wondering if, after setting a breakpoint on a given function, I could obtain a list of the functions that have been called (is that a stack trace?) |
| 22:49.54 | shackan | that's some serious spelunking |
| 22:50.11 | shackan | bt prints the stack trace |
| 22:50.29 | kulve | lardman: yeah, on the arm side you can get the backtrace (or stack?) like that |
| 22:50.32 | lardman | yeah, arm doesn't like stack traces does it iitc |
| 22:50.35 | shackan | and it's not a list of all the function called until that moment |
| 22:50.56 | shackan | just what's in the innermost frame up to the first caller |
| 22:51.07 | shackan | but, you can step in the dsp? |
| 22:51.11 | shackan | that's cool |
| 22:51.20 | lardman | what would be good is a graphical debugger like MATLAB or Visual C++ (/me shows his Windows side ;) ) |
| 22:51.32 | shackan | lardman: insight isn't that bad |
| 22:51.33 | kulve | shackan: I think you need a different tool for debugging the dsp side.. |
| 22:51.40 | lardman | shackan: no, I'm doing it by adding dbg() calls which send strings to dmesg |
| 22:52.16 | shackan | ow, sucks |
| 22:52.30 | lardman | sure does :) |
| 22:53.42 | shackan | do libvorbis and tremor sound any different? |
| 22:54.08 | lardman | I understand that xiph are thinking about turning the tremor code into fp and using that as the standard |
| 22:54.13 | kulve | I would guess that theoretically yes, but to human ear no (just guessing) |
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| 22:54.52 | lardman | mine may be related to code speed though more than listening differences |
| 22:55.05 | kulve | actually I'm not sure if there's a difference even theoretically.. |
| 22:55.39 | shackan | ok, I'll take tremor |
| 22:56.49 | lardman | tremor is certainly faster than vorbis even when compiled for vfp |
| 22:57.53 | kulve | at least on n800.. |
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| 22:58.02 | lardman | true :) |
| 22:58.19 | kulve | how about some 64bit amd..? |
| 22:58.35 | lardman | give me 10min and I could tell you for dual core 64bit Intel |
| 22:58.47 | lardman | but am trying to install Insight first |
| 23:00.45 | truent | nothin better than n800 + blackjack connection = irc'ing in the middle of nowhere |
| 23:02.06 | truent | gotta find cheap gps and keyboard |
| 23:02.15 | kulve | sounds like n810 ;) |
| 23:04.10 | truent | hah |
| 23:05.12 | truent | i already dumped too much on this thing right before the price drop ;p |
| 23:05.32 | astro76 | truent, amazon has the stowaway ultra-slim BT keyboard for $30 |
| 23:06.14 | truent | yep thats what i was lookin at |
| 23:06.45 | astro76 | several people here have them, I highly recommend it |
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| 23:17.45 | lopz | re |
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| 23:25.37 | halley | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. |
| 23:25.38 | halley | Er... |
| 23:25.45 | halley | It's been a day. |
| 23:28.01 | lardman | Is it possible to use gdb on a binary that uses a command like this: ./ivorbisfile_example < sample.ogg > output.pcm |
| 23:31.50 | shackan | lardman: you could try gdb ./ivorbisfile_example and then at the prompt # run < sample.ogg > output.pcm |
| 23:31.51 | shackan | ymmv |
| 23:32.10 | lardman | thanks, think I'll just tweak it to read and write from file |
| 23:32.10 | vlad_ | yes, gdb understands i/o redirection with < > and >> |
| 23:32.22 | lardman | vlad_: doesn't seem to like it though |
| 23:32.25 | vlad_ | hm |
| 23:32.30 | vlad_ | check the help on run? |
| 23:32.32 | vlad_ | you may need some var set |
| 23:32.53 | lardman | ah, so I do have to set it after starting gdb then? |
| 23:34.35 | lardman | hmm, that seems to work, but gdb refuses to run the file |
| 23:34.41 | K`zan | My local thrift store had USB adapters so I stocked up. Only things really useful, I think, were the cables, double females and the mini-usb :) |
| 23:34.49 | lardman | Don't know how to run. Try "help target". |
| 23:35.05 | lardman | doesn't seem to be anything to do with the redirections though |
| 23:35.33 | shackan | hmm, help target is only usefull for remote debugging |
| 23:35.33 | lardman | this is trying to use gdb in scratchbox though.... |
| 23:37.35 | halley | Anyone know why the garage.maemo.org system seems to be down? |
| 23:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | Because their servers suck? |
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| 23:40.12 | lardman | right, time for bed, will have to look into debugging tomorrow when I'm actually awake |
| 23:40.18 | lardman | thanks for the help chaps |
| 23:40.20 | lardman | night all |
| 23:42.21 | halley | Yeah, beyond that. |
| 23:42.41 | halley | I was hoping the gjiten guy was working on updating his deb. :/ |
| 23:43.20 | halley | I'm pleased with the maemocjk library; scim-anthy is so much nicer than the builtin IM look/feel. |
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| 23:43.52 | halley | How do you get a list of files from a given installed .deb? |
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| 23:49.47 | p| | 'night all! |
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