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| 00:05.10 | sp3000 | oops |
| 00:11.28 | lardman | night all |
| 00:12.53 | K`zan | Is this a good BT Keyboard for the n800?: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002OKCXE/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance |
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| 00:21.56 | pupnik | the stowaway works well for me - build quality isn't great, but ok |
| 00:23.22 | sp3000 | oh, where's a bt vera that'll install on 2008? |
| 00:24.57 | sp3000 | my irc hurts with courier ;) |
| 00:25.18 | pupnik | newer xterm should have better font than courier |
| 00:25.33 | pupnik | don't tell me 2008 has that crappy courier for xterm... |
| 00:26.16 | _|Nix|_ | I think so ... not sure though ... |
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| 00:30.21 | dick-richardson | How do i make nano the default text editor? |
| 00:31.32 | K`zan | pupnik: Thanks, for $30, I think I can live with it :-)! |
| 00:33.40 | _|Nix|_ | dick-richardson: export EDITOR='nano -w' in your .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 00:34.43 | _|Nix|_ | Gods below! Could maemo.org be any slower? |
| 00:34.59 | _|Nix|_ | It's like it's running on a 486 or something ... |
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| 00:41.35 | halley | _|Nix|_, bash isn't your default shell on the tablet :P |
| 00:41.41 | halley | .profile is the file you want |
| 00:43.49 | K`zan | _|Nix|_: Heh, don't think so, should win the award for slowest site on the net :-). Best here late at night and early in the morning. |
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| 00:45.18 | _|Nix|_ | K`zan: Late at night, you say ... |
| 00:45.54 | _|Nix|_ | I'm not sure whether 02:45 counts as late at night or early in the morning ... |
| 00:46.07 | K`zan | LOL, patience is a virtue :-) |
| 00:46.24 | _|Nix|_ | So, I'm a flawed human being. |
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| 00:48.55 | dick-richardson | the .profile doesn't exist in ~ |
| 00:49.04 | dick-richardson | am I in the wrong directory, or should I create it? |
| 00:49.34 | K`zan | ls -a ? |
| 00:49.41 | dick-richardson | yep |
| 00:49.44 | dick-richardson | ls -lha |
| 00:49.51 | K`zan | Lemme look at mine... |
| 00:50.30 | K`zan | okia-N800-44-4:~# ls -a |
| 00:50.30 | K`zan | . .ash_history .gnome2 .profile |
| 00:50.30 | K`zan | .. .bashrc .gstreamer-0.10 |
| 00:50.40 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# pwd |
| 00:50.59 | K`zan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.10 | dick-richardson | i'm in /home/user |
| 00:51.52 | dick-richardson | I still don't have a .profile in /root |
| 00:52.00 | K`zan | I have none there either, IIRC, I copied the root one over and hacked it in 2007. |
| 00:52.19 | dick-richardson | ok...works the same in os2008? |
| 00:52.35 | K`zan | I have one in /root, but none in user. |
| 00:52.50 | K`zan | If you want a paste of it, /join #vmmst |
| 00:54.03 | K`zan | I am running 2008 for the n800 (assuming that makes a difference). |
| 00:54.43 | dick-richardson | I'm working on it...hang on |
| 00:54.47 | K`zan | np |
| 00:55.16 | K`zan | df |
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| 00:56.34 | K`zan | why is an nfs mount not working :-/. Might have to use scp... |
| 00:59.01 | K`zan | svc: unknown version (3) |
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| 01:21.08 | l7 | hrm |
| 01:21.29 | l7 | can anyone tell me how to use maps downloaded from winmapper in maemo mapper 2.2? |
| 01:22.04 | l7 | it looks like it you have to point to a map .db file, but all i have are little map files |
| 01:23.05 | l7 | the forums are pretty confusing, as they refer to earlier versions :\ |
| 01:25.42 | mmiller | Anyone else notice that the maemo.org site is really slow? |
| 01:27.39 | l7 | it's a little slow right now |
| 01:27.54 | l7 | i downloaded os2008 earlier today a 800kb/s |
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| 01:28.45 | mmiller | Did they release OS2008 for the N800? |
| 01:28.50 | l7 | yep |
| 01:28.53 | l7 | last week i think |
| 01:29.03 | l7 | supposed to be a good deal faster for browsing |
| 01:29.04 | fysa | beta |
| 01:29.18 | l7 | how much faster is it than the last release of 2007? |
| 01:29.35 | l7 | i just noticed that my unit arrived with the older 7-26 2007 OS |
| 01:29.55 | mmiller | So it's OS2008 is in release or still in Beta? |
| 01:30.07 | l7 | beta |
| 01:30.39 | l7 | so how do i get external map files into maemo mapper 2? |
| 01:30.49 | sp3000 | I'm starting to think taking a stroll through half of espoo is not the most entertaining way to spend a rainy december 3am |
| 01:32.48 | pupnik | i suggest to take a camera and open your eyes |
| 01:33.46 | pupnik | (not meant to be condescending - i'm editing a bunch of pics right now) |
| 01:34.01 | l7 | what? |
| 01:34.23 | pupnik | referring to sp3000's walk |
| 01:35.10 | sp3000 | you haven't been to espoo ;D |
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| 01:36.41 | sp3000 | the camera on the phone isn't good enough for distant rabbits in the dark, either |
| 01:39.33 | pupnik | people say high megapixels aren't necessary and they're kind of right - but i just got a couple of pictures of insects processed in macro mode where you can see their hairs |
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| 01:45.16 | halley | I think the real statement is 'megapixels will hurt image quality if the photosensor is too small to get enough photons'. But that's just too nuanced for the usual "more is better" and the usual counter-cry, "more is not better." |
| 01:45.26 | sp3000 | ah, home. |
| 01:45.52 | pupnik | correct halley - sensitivity / noise floor problems |
| 01:46.39 | halley | I prefer to stitch images in the 50~70 megapixels range, so it doesn't really matter what the camera itself does. Give me GOOD pixels. |
| 01:47.01 | pupnik | wow |
| 01:49.34 | halley | http://halley.cc/pix/elsewhere/beaver.stadium.jpg - in the actual image, I can easily make out the two mascots at the far end of the field. |
| 01:50.24 | db48x | you can't clearly make them out unless you can identify them |
| 01:50.38 | halley | Well, this is a web shrunk version. |
| 01:50.42 | db48x | seeing 6 orange pixels on the green field doesn't mean much |
| 01:50.48 | db48x | ah |
| 01:51.10 | halley | In the original, you can read all jersey numbers. |
| 01:51.12 | db48x | where's the full size image? |
| 01:51.36 | halley | Not on the web at the moment. I used to use a zoomify thing to let you scroll around. |
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| 02:25.11 | pupnik | good stuff halley |
| 02:25.57 | pupnik | is it possible to do the stich stuff without tripod? |
| 02:29.29 | pupnik | colors are nice too - guessing it's a dslr |
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| 02:49.12 | hpg101 | i've paired my plantronics 320 headset to my n800. i can't seem to figure out how to get the audio output directed to it. Any suggestions? |
| 02:57.05 | pupnik | does the N800 audio jack have a mic-in? |
| 02:57.15 | pupnik | oh sorry |
| 02:57.20 | pupnik | a2dp/bluetooth? |
| 03:00.45 | hpg101 | hi pupnik, if you're talking to me, nothing is plugged into the audio jack |
| 03:07.22 | hpg101 | the plantronics doesn't supply a profile. is that a problem? |
| 03:14.24 | pupnik | um i dunno how the bluetooth audio works - i think it doesn't at all |
| 03:14.55 | K`zan | pupnik: I've given up trying to use my BT headset for anything other than the cell phone :-(. |
| 03:15.35 | K`zan | Beat myself bloody trying to get it to work here, was *briefly* successful with btsco, but was unable to get it working again, |
| 03:16.03 | K`zan | Better off getting a decent wireless (non-bt) headset, that is what I finally did here. |
| 03:16.24 | K`zan | Yeah, QUITE frustrating... |
| 03:18.10 | hpg101 | hi K`zan, you mean an 802.11 audio? |
| 03:19.41 | K`zan | hpg101: Yes. |
| 03:19.58 | K`zan | Err, no, BT audio (as in BT headset) |
| 03:20.13 | K`zan | Sorry, doing three things at once :). |
| 03:20.35 | K`zan | Replaced it with an RF headset (stereo, no mic). |
| 03:21.30 | hpg101 | i'm surprised nokia, a cell phone company, didn't make bt audio work on the n800. or is it a software thing? |
| 03:21.53 | |R | yep |
| 03:22.59 | hpg101 | K`zan: i think i understand your suggestion. a transmitter you plug into the audio jack which sends to a headset |
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| 03:32.03 | lopz | hola |
| 03:34.11 | rip_ | hola Dora |
| 03:34.40 | rip_ | sorry thats stuck in my head from a show my Daughter watches ;) |
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| 04:01.52 | halley | Don't let your kid watch that junk. |
| 04:03.14 | zerojay | What's wrong with it? |
| 04:03.36 | halley | First, the kid can't speak in a normal voice. She's always YELLING AT THE TOP OF HER VOICE. |
| 04:04.13 | halley | Second, she's a git. That map is out to kill her. Every day, it sends her through three terrible dangers just to get her to a place she could see from the beginning. |
| 04:04.58 | halley | Third, the songs will rot your brain. It has already rotted through the brains of the writers, clearly. |
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| 04:06.23 | halley | Fourth, standing up to a thief by saying "No swiping!" is clearly insane. |
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| 04:08.21 | rip_ | lol |
| 04:08.33 | rip_ | sounds like you have watched it more than once ;) |
| 04:08.37 | halley | Fifth, a thmall friend who wearth violet vinyl bootth up to hith kneeth, friend... you are thmokin' thumpthin' I want. |
| 04:10.42 | pupnik | i don't think i would allow a TV in the house if I had kids |
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| 05:28.32 | lopz | bye |
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| 06:07.13 | Luria | anyone have xchat working on os2008 |
| 06:08.17 | rip_ | yep |
| 06:08.46 | rip_ | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 06:08.51 | rip_ | thats where I got mine |
| 06:09.02 | rip_ | same guy who did Xchat for OS2007 |
| 06:09.36 | Luria | oh neat. |
| 06:09.37 | Luria | ta |
| 06:09.57 | rip_ | Np |
| 06:10.24 | Luria | now all i need is abiword, xournal, and gnumeric back. |
| 06:10.50 | Luria | and then i can forget os 2007 |
| 06:11.23 | Luria | or rather there will be nothing left to miss from os2007 |
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| 06:16.05 | rip_ | Im pretty sure gnumeric is running on OS2008 |
| 06:16.08 | rip_ | no idea about the other oens |
| 06:16.09 | rip_ | err |
| 06:16.11 | rip_ | other ones |
| 06:16.25 | rip_ | I wouldn't mind abiword either |
| 06:16.41 | Luria | with spell check would be nice |
| 06:16.42 | rip_ | then I can have an excuse to get a bluetooth keyboard when im out and about |
| 06:17.13 | Luria | adblock for microb would be nice |
| 06:17.22 | Luria | privoxy is a pain |
| 06:18.22 | rip_ | Can't say Ive ever needed to use anything like privoxy |
| 06:18.28 | astro76 | you can use the ad blocking greasemonkey script |
| 06:18.30 | astro76 | http://userstyles.org/styles/299 |
| 06:19.38 | Luria | oh nice |
| 06:19.45 | Luria | id been looking for one |
| 06:19.52 | Luria | most are too site specific |
| 06:19.56 | rip_ | the program i'm dying to check out is Canola2 |
| 06:19.57 | rip_ | ;) |
| 06:20.01 | rip_ | with mplayer for the videos |
| 06:20.02 | Luria | dunno |
| 06:20.02 | rip_ | :D |
| 06:20.04 | astro76 | yeah |
| 06:20.06 | Luria | i like ukmp |
| 06:20.23 | Luria | though what happened to the exit button? |
| 06:20.43 | timelyx | exit violates platform |
| 06:20.47 | timelyx | it should be quit |
| 06:21.02 | Luria | ok, ok |
| 06:21.12 | Luria | but its a full screen app |
| 06:21.33 | Luria | i have to de-fullscreen it and click on the close button |
| 06:21.38 | Luria | which is plain silly |
| 06:21.54 | astro76 | Luria, holding the cancel button doesn't work? |
| 06:22.27 | Luria | huh. never tried. i didnt realize that was an quit shortcut |
| 06:23.02 | astro76 | also holding home gets you to the home screen |
| 06:23.11 | Luria | that i knew |
| 06:23.21 | Luria | i use it to minimize ukmp |
| 06:23.39 | Luria | still, thats cludgy |
| 06:23.52 | Luria | a single click *somewhere* should do it |
| 06:24.08 | rip_ | microb's way to scroll is horrid I find :\ for most websites when I want to scroll down I have to hold the dpad down but when I let go it keeps sliding past what im trying to read ;) |
| 06:24.17 | Luria | yeah |
| 06:24.29 | Luria | i just finger drag 90% of the time |
| 06:24.44 | rip_ | I can't stand using my fingers on the screen |
| 06:24.52 | Luria | screen protector |
| 06:25.00 | Luria | so key |
| 06:25.06 | rip_ | getting a Screen protector in Australia isn't that easy :p |
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| 06:25.11 | rip_ | I have to order from the States |
| 06:25.18 | Luria | yeah, that sucks |
| 06:25.25 | rip_ | yes... :( |
| 06:25.37 | rip_ | even places that sell n800's online here, don't sell the protectors |
| 06:25.55 | rip_ | which bites |
| 06:26.06 | Luria | im just glad that the nokia flagship store started selling n800 accessories |
| 06:26.30 | Luria | esp the headset cause bluetooth isnt working for me |
| 06:26.52 | Luria | incidentally, is anyone using the proper os2008 beta? |
| 06:27.14 | astro76 | rip_, free shipping here untill tomorrow http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018 |
| 06:27.21 | astro76 | worldwide free shipping |
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| 06:27.29 | rip_ | cool |
| 06:27.38 | rip_ | Ill have a read |
| 06:27.39 | rip_ | cheers |
| 06:28.34 | Luria | dunno. there are some odd response issues with the n800 under os2008 |
| 06:28.35 | rip_ | the Nokia 770 screen protectors fit the N800's fine ? |
| 06:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 06:28.42 | Luria | rip, yeah |
| 06:28.55 | rip_ | sweet, never owned a Nokia 770 |
| 06:29.38 | rip_ | cheers |
| 06:32.02 | Luria | was happy to see vnc today |
| 06:32.26 | Luria | its like major release day, every day, these days. |
| 06:33.38 | Luria | anyone try transmission? |
| 06:34.29 | astro76 | just installed it but haven't used it yet... looks nice and spartan |
| 06:34.36 | astro76 | quite opposite the nightmare that is azureus |
| 06:34.44 | Luria | it works nicely |
| 06:34.51 | Luria | better than using ctorrent |
| 06:34.57 | Luria | but needs some ui changes |
| 06:35.19 | Luria | i think some options arent displayed in prefs given the screen size |
| 06:35.58 | astro76 | oh you mean on the tablet? |
| 06:36.04 | Luria | yeah |
| 06:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | For all you poor Canadians: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Tablet_PC/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1300078 |
| 06:36.06 | astro76 | lol |
| 06:36.15 | astro76 | didn't know about that |
| 06:36.38 | Luria | i should stress that i *think* this is the case |
| 06:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's really not a proper port. |
| 06:36.57 | Luria | but when you see the pref screen youll see it's very cramped |
| 06:36.59 | GeneralAntilles | Recompile is a better description. |
| 06:37.08 | astro76 | well looking at the Transmission prefs in Ubuntu, it's not much |
| 06:37.29 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, that in and of itself is pretty impressive, how easy that was |
| 06:37.40 | Luria | yeah, well, im not expecting ktorrent |
| 06:37.57 | Luria | wow. lots of people trying to sell their fixies on nyc craigslist |
| 06:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | With Gtk now more closely matching upstream, it should be a whole lot easier. |
| 06:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | "5 minutes" was what the ported said. |
| 06:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | This is why all the people bitching about the API breaks don't know what they're talking about. |
| 06:38.40 | Luria | now i just need a openvpn frontend |
| 06:39.07 | Luria | well, there was good reason to break. it's still a pain, tho. |
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| 06:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | The benefits far outweigh the temporary pain of upgrading. ;) |
| 06:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | The pain will last a couple months |
| 06:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | the benefits will last for years. |
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| 06:47.29 | Luria | its like a the reverse of marriage |
| 06:47.47 | Luria | err. scratch one "a" |
| 06:51.27 | Luria | anyone tethered with a sony k850i? |
| 06:52.35 | Luria | why are there (almost) no triband (or better, quad) hsdpa phone |
| 06:53.35 | Luria | its like the idiotic old days of triband world phone |
| 06:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | I like my SGH-A717. :) |
| 06:54.03 | Luria | yeah, but 1.8 only |
| 06:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | Battery life is a little low, but it works great with the tablets. |
| 06:54.16 | Luria | the slm does better, but no 2100mhz |
| 06:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | Good point. |
| 06:54.44 | Luria | my phone broke a couple days ago |
| 06:55.01 | Luria | im using a (freshly unlocked) t68i |
| 06:55.21 | Luria | it reminds me of the old days with my t39m |
| 06:55.27 | Luria | now that was a phone. |
| 06:55.41 | timelyx | Luria: full screen isn't license to use the wrong words |
| 06:55.41 | Luria | other than the stupid ericsson ui |
| 06:55.57 | timelyx | just because map breaks one convention isn't a license for it to break the other |
| 06:56.07 | Luria | Luria, thats fine. i still would like a "quit" button then |
| 06:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | I still miss my Nextel i1000. ;) |
| 06:56.52 | Luria | what was great about the t39 was that it had all the electronics of the day... |
| 06:57.00 | Luria | but it was black and white |
| 06:57.27 | Luria | i would *LOVE* a oled/eink/b+w phone with quadband gsm and quadband hsdpa |
| 06:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | It was huge, and it only did one thing: make phone calls, but the battery life was incredible and you could spend all day breaking rocks and not put a dent in it. |
| 06:57.48 | Luria | make it 7.2 mbs while im smoking crack |
| 06:57.52 | timelyx | Luria: i have a w950i i use for showing people how a non sucky browser could work |
| 06:58.14 | Luria | timelyx, have you seen the k850i? |
| 06:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | Need a faster bluetooth, first. |
| 06:58.50 | timelyx | Luria: auto rotate.... |
| 06:58.58 | Luria | yeah |
| 06:59.09 | timelyx | but no touch screen? |
| 06:59.13 | Luria | no |
| 06:59.19 | Luria | capacitance switches tho |
| 06:59.32 | timelyx | sorry, not buying |
| 06:59.51 | Luria | well, its the only triband hsdpa phone without wm6 |
| 06:59.52 | timelyx | if i want a classic cell phone, i'll use this n81 8gb which keeps running out of battery |
| 07:00.10 | Luria | that i know of, at least |
| 07:00.18 | Luria | i would love to be wrong. |
| 07:00.23 | timelyx | have you read the specs for the w950i? |
| 07:00.42 | timelyx | do people really have something against searching for bugs? |
| 07:01.04 | Luria | yes |
| 07:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, timelyx. |
| 07:01.11 | timelyx | this guy's bug actually was almost well filed |
| 07:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's difficult and time consuming. |
| 07:01.20 | Luria | q&a is like teaching kindergarten. |
| 07:01.25 | Luria | its women's work |
| 07:01.27 | GeneralAntilles | and, of course, bugs.maemo.org is the customer support line |
| 07:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | so they shouldn't have to search. ;) |
| 07:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | They have a problem, you guys need to figure it out. :P |
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| 07:02.17 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2471#c1 |
| 07:02.23 | timelyx | please say i was friendly enough |
| 07:03.10 | Luria | w950i doesnt have hsdpa |
| 07:03.43 | Luria | wtf, 384 gprs? |
| 07:03.59 | rip_ | anyone cracked open the Nokia N800's or equiv and looked what sort of ram it has ? |
| 07:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I'd say you have free license to be nice or as bitchy as you want. ;) |
| 07:04.21 | Luria | there are some interior shots somewhere |
| 07:04.32 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: sometimes i'm very bitchy |
| 07:04.41 | timelyx | but i try not to always be that way |
| 07:05.13 | GeneralAntilles | The attitude used to put me off when I first started using bugzilla, "Who the fuck IS this asshole?" |
| 07:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | But then I learned. |
| 07:06.06 | Luria | rip_, http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening |
| 07:06.11 | Luria | good luck |
| 07:06.15 | rip_ | cool cheers, |
| 07:06.16 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: basically w/ me it's russian roulette |
| 07:06.22 | timelyx | either i'm nice and you ignore me |
| 07:06.25 | rip_ | was just wondering if its possible to upgrade the ram :p |
| 07:06.34 | timelyx | or i'm rude, and if you're worth it, we correspond |
| 07:06.37 | timelyx | and then you like me :) |
| 07:06.42 | rip_ | on my OpenWRT Linksys they are easy enough to desolder ram and put it back together |
| 07:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | Is that a battery I see in there: http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening/photo#5024760275316981378 ? |
| 07:07.20 | Luria | looks like |
| 07:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | Up next to the external SD pins. |
| 07:07.43 | Luria | on the outside of the board, yeah |
| 07:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | Good to know. |
| 07:07.54 | rip_ | great, everything is covered in metal plates :p hiding the guts |
| 07:08.13 | Luria | there were some other take apart pics, i think |
| 07:08.21 | GeneralAntilles | rip_, the N800 is in no way shape or form remotely similar to the WTR54GL. :P |
| 07:08.46 | Luria | gah. gl. |
| 07:08.51 | Luria | latecomer :-) |
| 07:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | I have a v1.1 that just died back home. ;) |
| 07:09.07 | Luria | wrt54gs 1/2 were the best |
| 07:09.18 | rip_ | well, yes i know ;) I was just curious how easy it would be to desolder ram ;) and/or if its possible to swap it out :p |
| 07:09.38 | Luria | about as easy as switching a bga p3 notebook chop |
| 07:09.40 | Luria | chip |
| 07:09.55 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't the RAM part of the SOC or somesuch? |
| 07:10.07 | Luria | if you can do that, lemme know. i have a cf-m34 that id love to speed up. |
| 07:10.34 | GeneralAntilles | I've been buying these: http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-g-125-high-speed/wireless-g-high-speed-router/ in favor of the Linksys stuff. |
| 07:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | They work rather wonderfully. |
| 07:10.41 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, i dont think so. |
| 07:10.49 | Luria | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_2420 |
| 07:11.03 | Luria | top right corner. |
| 07:11.23 | kulve | has somebody extracted the rootfs as tarball from the it2008beta for n800? |
| 07:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | Right you are, sir. :) |
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| 07:11.55 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, i got one of those. flashing alt firmware is a pain. |
| 07:12.12 | Luria | otherwise great |
| 07:12.21 | mariorz | you guys see this http://paolo.evectors.it/2007/11/30.html#a3381 |
| 07:12.24 | mariorz | ? |
| 07:12.48 | Luria | yes |
| 07:12.52 | Luria | fun demo |
| 07:13.03 | Luria | very zen sand garden |
| 07:13.11 | mariorz | not open :( |
| 07:13.13 | Luria | ok. gotta go. |
| 07:13.27 | mariorz | and not for maemo :( |
| 07:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | Where's my OMAP34xx? :( |
| 07:13.42 | Luria | that would be fun |
| 07:14.07 | Luria | wheres my xflective n800 with wimax |
| 07:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | Be neat if Nokia would stick an iR LED in there somewher. |
| 07:14.35 | Luria | meh |
| 07:14.44 | Luria | real ir or irda |
| 07:14.56 | Luria | cause irda blows, and it always sucked. |
| 07:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd just use it as a universal remote. ;) |
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| 07:15.28 | Luria | is there a bluetooth module? |
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| 07:17.26 | Luria | bbl, i think |
| 07:17.58 | GeneralAntilles | Cool thing about the OMAP34xx is that the LCD controller shouldn't need to be custom. |
| 07:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | So we should have plenty of video bandwidth. |
| 07:18.30 | rip_ | I'd love to see what they come up with next on the Tablet series |
| 07:18.44 | rip_ | fullsized SDcards would be a must :p |
| 07:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully drivers for the PowerVR, too. |
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| 07:19.01 | rip_ | hopefully they don't cut the sdcards down like in the N810 |
| 07:19.07 | GeneralAntilles | The N900 is going to be something to see. |
| 07:19.15 | limepi | hey, does anyone have any tips on getting a fabric BT keyboard to play nice with the n800 |
| 07:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | Standard bluetooth HID? |
| 07:19.49 | limepi | "elektex" |
| 07:19.49 | timelyx | Tue Dec 4 2007 07:17:12 GMT+3 |
| 07:19.49 | timelyx | Monkey's are eating my hair |
| 07:19.51 | timelyx | today's quip |
| 07:20.01 | timelyx | anyone want to add "Monkey's dead, RIP" ? |
| 07:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 07:20.12 | rip_ | I think Monkey's are eating my hair is mine |
| 07:20.13 | rip_ | :p |
| 07:20.14 | limepi | they have some proprietary drivers for everything :( |
| 07:20.20 | timelyx | i presume you know how to add a quip? |
| 07:20.24 | limepi | http://g-techworld.com/mainFAQ.php#2.1 |
| 07:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | Or: "Ding, dong, _Monkey's dead!" |
| 07:20.55 | rip_ | lol |
| 07:20.56 | timelyx | whichever |
| 07:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | Done, timelyx. |
| 07:21.03 | timelyx | :) |
| 07:21.09 | timelyx | we'll see how long it takes for me to hit that |
| 07:21.25 | timelyx | hrm, this sucks |
| 07:21.34 | timelyx | quips doesn't tell me how many quips there are |
| 07:21.48 | limepi | googling "electex maemo" is practically a googlewhack |
| 07:21.54 | timelyx | 36 |
| 07:22.03 | timelyx | shouldn't take too long to hit yours :) |
| 07:22.24 | timelyx | rip_: ah, the quip i quoted was yours |
| 07:22.39 | rip_ | lol |
| 07:23.02 | timelyx | sorry, admin prerogative, i peeked :) |
| 07:23.05 | rip_ | yeah im pretty sure thats mine :p I wrote something about monkeys and hair |
| 07:23.08 | rip_ | :P |
| 07:23.18 | rip_ | I can't exactly remember though |
| 07:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | The IVA accelerator (along with the PowerVR) isn't being used in the N800, right? |
| 07:23.33 | timelyx | it tells me who did it, although when only by relative |
| 07:23.41 | timelyx | i can figure out more detailed by reading the server logs |
| 07:23.49 | timelyx | this is partly to remind people that such things are not annonymous |
| 07:24.03 | rip_ | haha fair enough ;) |
| 07:24.04 | timelyx | if you add abusive quips, they'll be removed and we might send mail to you |
| 07:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | "Fuck Nokia, and fuck maemo" |
| 07:24.09 | limepi | heh |
| 07:24.24 | timelyx | heck, I might give you a phone call :) |
| 07:24.34 | rip_ | oh how nerdy is this, "my ~ is my castle" |
| 07:24.45 | timelyx | heh |
| 07:24.57 | timelyx | personally i prefer "my name is my password" |
| 07:25.04 | limepi | plz hope http://www.g-techworld.com/mainFAQ.php#1.4 |
| 07:25.24 | rip_ | I had a friend who kept repeating to his mac "My voice is my password" |
| 07:25.25 | timelyx | limepi: noisy |
| 07:25.40 | rip_ | to setup some horrid voice lock |
| 07:25.48 | timelyx | limepi: BT keyboards should just work |
| 07:25.52 | timelyx | i haven't heard of any problems w/ them |
| 07:26.01 | limepi | this is a proprietary nonsense thing I guess |
| 07:26.06 | timelyx | BT audio comes in a couple of flavors, and they should work partially eventually |
| 07:26.12 | timelyx | some parts today |
| 07:26.20 | limepi | it says it uses the serial port profile |
| 07:26.34 | timelyx | oh |
| 07:26.34 | timelyx | yuck |
| 07:26.40 | timelyx | why the **** |
| 07:27.11 | timelyx | complain to the bt linux people that there's no support for this stupid device |
| 07:27.19 | timelyx | someone should be willing to help you fix that |
| 07:27.22 | limepi | i took back a crappy ionic breeze "purifier" that was a gift |
| 07:27.26 | limepi | at the sharper image |
| 07:27.38 | timelyx | limepi: but seriously, if you file a bug w/ some technical details in bugzilla connectivity:bluetooth |
| 07:27.39 | rip_ | I'm guessing the Hand writing in Maemo is also proprietary ? |
| 07:27.44 | timelyx | we can probably order a device and get it implemented |
| 07:27.47 | limepi | and saw that they had 1) a bt keyboard 2) made of goshdarned fabric |
| 07:27.47 | timelyx | (no promises) |
| 07:27.54 | timelyx | rip_: not owned by nokia |
| 07:27.54 | limepi | timelyx, I'm on it :D |
| 07:28.04 | timelyx | limepi: be sure to fill in the url field |
| 07:28.15 | timelyx | and be sure to quote the bit in 1.4 that mentions serial port profile |
| 07:28.27 | timelyx | and the bit in 1.6 about dependent/drivers |
| 07:28.38 | rip_ | timelyx: so its OSS? |
| 07:28.47 | timelyx | rip_: proprietary |
| 07:28.53 | rip_ | ahh ok fair enough |
| 07:28.54 | timelyx | but literally not owned by nokia |
| 07:29.01 | timelyx | so if we wanted to oss it, we couldn't |
| 07:29.13 | rip_ | shame they didn't |
| 07:29.15 | timelyx | note: nokia has some strange ideas about when to oss and why |
| 07:29.30 | timelyx | this would /probably/ fall into the "don't oss" category |
| 07:29.43 | timelyx | i'm not sure if i'm allowed to explain the why |
| 07:29.50 | timelyx | it's probably obvious |
| 07:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, you need to do something about the reproducibility heading. |
| 07:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody knows how to use it. |
| 07:30.17 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i'm switching people to this: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Browser&component=MicroB%20engine&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux |
| 07:30.21 | timelyx | that should solve my problems |
| 07:30.32 | rip_ | fair enough, I'd like to see my bug confirmed :p |
| 07:30.32 | timelyx | i'm sorry people hacked the primary form instead of just forcing guided |
| 07:30.42 | limepi | http://www.g-techworld.com/mainDriverSupport_OS.php |
| 07:30.45 | rip_ | would at least let me know I'm not crazy ;) |
| 07:31.21 | timelyx | limepi: also, include contact info (that page's tech support number sounds good) |
| 07:31.32 | timelyx | limepi: also, after you buy it, please contact g-tech and tell them you want it to work w/ your n800 |
| 07:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | The frame for the search is a little awkward. |
| 07:31.50 | limepi | yeah... I'll do that |
| 07:31.56 | limepi | but I want it to work now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:32.08 | limepi | stupid sharper image |
| 07:32.28 | astro76 | eww |
| 07:32.31 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: gah, try it on bmo, if you have complaints, talk to irc.mozilla.org #mozwebtools/#bmo |
| 07:32.35 | timelyx | it should match what they use |
| 07:32.39 | timelyx | and if that can be improved, it should |
| 07:32.47 | astro76 | limepi, there's the stowaway ultra-slim on amazon for $30 |
| 07:33.13 | limepi | astro76, this keyboard is made of fabric and you can roll it up and it seems to be sweet |
| 07:33.18 | limepi | if only it worked |
| 07:33.32 | astro76 | ah that would be neat |
| 07:33.56 | rip_ | Just out of curiosity does any ideas bounce between OpenMoko and Maemo ? |
| 07:34.01 | rip_ | if anyone knows. |
| 07:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, not your doing. Rgr. |
| 07:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'd provide some more examples and more descriptive text, though, timelyx. |
| 07:35.09 | limepi | stupid bleeding-edge technology |
| 07:35.39 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463 is my bug for enabling it |
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| 07:35.48 | timelyx | if you want to file a bug depend/block that bug and make suggestions |
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| 07:38.52 | limepi | ...how do I set up a COM port on the n800? |
| 07:38.58 | limepi | maybe i can solve my own problem |
| 07:42.32 | astro76 | if you can get the manuf. to give you the protocol and write a driver |
| 07:42.43 | astro76 | unless it's bluetooth HID keyboard you are out of luck |
| 07:42.57 | astro76 | or the nokia one apparently |
| 07:44.26 | timelyx | afaik the nokia one is hid |
| 07:44.30 | timelyx | am i wrong? |
| 07:45.09 | [pablo] | i just noticed that gmail still shows the old version in microb on os2008 because it uses firefox 3 instead of 2 |
| 07:45.51 | timelyx | um |
| 07:45.55 | astro76 | timelyx, no it's not |
| 07:46.05 | timelyx | you *don't* want to use the ui=2 gmail on n800/n810 |
| 07:46.08 | timelyx | it's way too heavy |
| 07:46.17 | timelyx | i'm fairly certain google intentionally changed its behavior |
| 07:46.20 | timelyx | we used to get ui=2 |
| 07:46.41 | [pablo] | it seems snappier than the old version to me |
| 07:46.45 | timelyx | imo it's an impovement |
| 07:46.55 | timelyx | ui=2 is way too heavy for our device |
| 07:47.08 | timelyx | you actually want to use http://mail.google.com/mail/h/ in most cases |
| 07:47.16 | timelyx | you won't really get much benefit from ui=1 |
| 07:47.26 | timelyx | and you should try http://mail.google.com/mail/x/ |
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| 07:48.32 | timelyx | probably the only useful feature you get from ui=1 is autosave in mail compose |
| 07:48.36 | [pablo] | i'll try those, anything to speed it up |
| 07:49.06 | timelyx | x/ should be instant fast |
| 07:49.07 | limepi | do you think maybe the keyboard will just work with os 2008? |
| 07:49.13 | timelyx | limepi: no |
| 07:49.17 | timelyx | not a chance |
| 07:49.21 | limepi | :( |
| 07:49.24 | timelyx | if it had any chance they'd have listed linux |
| 07:49.28 | limepi | should I update to '08 anyway |
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| 07:49.37 | timelyx | hardware vendors have marketing divisions |
| 07:49.41 | limepi | they support symbian... |
| 07:49.44 | timelyx | and marketing would want to list Linux |
| 07:49.47 | astro76 | limepi, well, 08 is much improved with an hid keyboard ;) |
| 07:50.45 | timelyx | limepi: use gronmayer and figure out if the apps you use are available |
| 07:50.57 | timelyx | then ask yourself if you use the FKB to enter passwords |
| 07:51.06 | timelyx | if the answer to that last question is yes, then the answer is NO |
| 07:51.18 | timelyx | if the answer to the first question is yes, then "maybe" |
| 07:51.30 | timelyx | but keep in mind that you'll almost certainly need to reflash for final |
| 07:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | It boggles the mind that after two years Nokia still can't get the text entry to be at least mildly reliable. |
| 07:51.41 | limepi | because the thing will pair |
| 07:51.45 | timelyx | (it'd be cool if we tested deb update for final, but i highly doubt that) |
| 07:51.47 | limepi | but the kb shows up as a phone |
| 07:51.59 | timelyx | limepi: a phone? lol |
| 07:52.06 | timelyx | what profiles does it list? |
| 07:52.13 | timelyx | note that GPS modules do not show up as phones |
| 07:52.37 | timelyx | so i believe that's a bug (please file, include bt profile list, and preferably a bt debug dump, search connectivity:bluetooth for the commands) |
| 07:52.39 | limepi | SPP |
| 07:52.44 | timelyx | that's all? |
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| 07:52.47 | limepi | yeah |
| 07:52.47 | timelyx | oh |
| 07:52.53 | limepi | I don't even know what a SPP is |
| 07:52.56 | timelyx | imagine your phone can act like a modem |
| 07:52.58 | timelyx | serial port profile |
| 07:53.04 | limepi | ah |
| 07:53.07 | timelyx | a modem is basically a serial port |
| 07:53.10 | limepi | yeah |
| 07:53.16 | limepi | so this thing is like a freaking tty |
| 07:53.18 | timelyx | if your phone really sucks |
| 07:53.24 | timelyx | it could support just SPP |
| 07:53.32 | limepi | TTY CALL PLEASE USE TEXT TELEPHONE |
| 07:53.49 | timelyx | and in that case, the guess of a phone icon |
| 07:53.51 | timelyx | would be right |
| 07:54.06 | timelyx | if i was filing, i'd file unco |
| 07:54.23 | timelyx | and probably include bt mac address, plus info from the vendor for their device range |
| 07:54.35 | timelyx | so that it could be specifically blacklisted as "not a phone" |
| 07:54.50 | limepi | okay, total derail here |
| 07:54.52 | timelyx | because i think the guess is /probably/ the right guess unfortunately |
| 07:55.09 | limepi | is there any way that I can make the boot screen not have the lame nokia photos |
| 07:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Why in the world would they manufacture a bt keyboard that's not HID? :\ |
| 07:55.24 | limepi | but instead the neat linux setup gibberish |
| 07:55.40 | timelyx | yes |
| 07:55.51 | timelyx | read ./flasher3 --help |
| 07:56.02 | timelyx | you want --enable-rd-flags=serial-console or something |
| 07:56.09 | timelyx | but you really want to copy from help |
| 07:56.12 | timelyx | not from my memory |
| 07:56.20 | timelyx | actually |
| 07:56.24 | timelyx | is it that one? |
| 07:56.29 | timelyx | or --enable-rd-mode ? |
| 07:56.31 | limepi | okay... firstly... um... I haven't even gained root on my n800 |
| 07:56.35 | timelyx | one of them gets you ugly green text |
| 07:56.41 | limepi | because I haven't tried |
| 07:56.42 | timelyx | probably rd-mode |
| 07:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | RD mode wont get you console |
| 07:56.55 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb |
| 07:57.01 | GeneralAntilles | just some version info. |
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| 07:57.12 | timelyx | that's how i gained root a few hours ago :) |
| 07:57.13 | limepi | I'm using OS X and I want to use OS 2008 |
| 07:57.27 | limepi | I see the instructions on the wiki |
| 07:57.30 | timelyx | no flasher required |
| 07:57.35 | kulve | I've built the tabler-browser-ui and the microb from browser.garage.maemo.org. Is there a way to configure it using a proxy? |
| 07:57.41 | timelyx | all i needed was http access to that deb (and ssh) |
| 07:57.53 | timelyx | kulve: connectivity control panel |
| 07:58.07 | timelyx | we honor the stupid prefs from that evil icd thing |
| 07:58.22 | kulve | timelyx: well, I don't have CP.. |
| 07:58.30 | timelyx | or you can try to disable microb's "read system prefs" and then use standard gecko prefs |
| 07:58.31 | limepi | timelyx, what do you mean, no flasher required? |
| 07:58.31 | kulve | or maemo actually.. |
| 07:58.44 | timelyx | limepi: to root the device? correct |
| 07:58.51 | timelyx | but it won't get you any text on the screen |
| 07:59.02 | timelyx | you'll just be able to ssh root@127.1 or ssh root@localhost |
| 07:59.28 | timelyx | someone want to explain how to add a package to downloads.maemo.org? :) |
| 07:59.45 | kulve | downloads.maemo.org is a bug. maemo.org/download works |
| 07:59.55 | limepi | ah, I wanna update to 2008, too |
| 07:59.55 | limepi | any caveats, tips, etc? |
| 07:59.57 | timelyx | when i tried this morning maemo.org/download didn't work |
| 08:00.09 | timelyx | limepi: don't use the FKB to enter passwords |
| 08:00.16 | kulve | timelyx: try downlaods |
| 08:00.16 | timelyx | unless the only key you use in passwords is * |
| 08:00.17 | kulve | loads |
| 08:00.32 | limepi | FKB? |
| 08:00.36 | timelyx | Error 404: Page could not be found. |
| 08:00.36 | timelyx | The requested URL /download could not be found on this server. |
| 08:00.51 | kulve | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 |
| 08:01.09 | timelyx | infobot fkb is finger keyboard (aka thumb keyboard), it will use asterisks for passwords in the current 2008 releases [this is a bug] |
| 08:01.09 | infobot | okay, timelyx |
| 08:01.09 | K`zan | Night folks |
| 08:01.20 | limepi | ah |
| 08:01.21 | limepi | heh |
| 08:01.27 | limepi | the joys of OSS :D |
| 08:01.28 | timelyx | infobot thumb keyboard is <reply> see fkb |
| 08:01.28 | infobot | timelyx: okay |
| 08:01.30 | timelyx | infobot finger keyboard is <reply> see fkb |
| 08:01.31 | infobot | ACTION raises his middle finger to keyboard is <reply> see fkb |
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| 08:01.50 | kulve | timelyx: the URL I gave is working and I even could log in |
| 08:01.54 | timelyx | doh |
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| 08:02.42 | limepi | is this the right file? RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 08:02.53 | timelyx | yes |
| 08:03.06 | kulve | timelyx: to add a project there, first select proper category, then "create maemo app" from the toolbar.. |
| 08:03.36 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:03.45 | timelyx | kulve: what license is a file that doesn't install anything under? :) |
| 08:04.17 | kulve | don't understand the question.. |
| 08:04.30 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb |
| 08:04.38 | timelyx | analyze the file w/ dpkg-deb |
| 08:04.42 | timelyx | it doesn't install anything |
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| 08:05.35 | kulve | if you are asking what category add it to, then "Communications"? :) |
| 08:05.51 | timelyx | i chose system, is that wrong? |
| 08:05.59 | kulve | or add a new group "Root your device".. |
| 08:06.05 | timelyx | heh |
| 08:06.07 | kulve | no, system is probably just fine (imo) |
| 08:06.11 | timelyx | we should do that |
| 08:06.17 | timelyx | since there are 4 or more ways now :) |
| 08:06.49 | Khertan | for information i'm adding c / c++ and latex syntax hilight in PyGTKEditor ... if it's interest someone :) |
| 08:09.13 | limepi | I'm flashing away :D |
| 08:09.14 | kulve | timelyx: any hints how to disable the "read system prefs"? Or is it automatically disabled since I built a non-maemo non-debian build? |
| 08:10.02 | timelyx | load about:config?sprefname=config.use_system_prefs |
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| 08:10.22 | timelyx | about:config?sprefname=network.proxy.type |
| 08:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a list of rd-flags somewhere? |
| 08:10.32 | timelyx | about:config?sprefname=network.proxy.autoconfig_url |
| 08:10.39 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: oddly flasher3's help lists them |
| 08:10.49 | timelyx | yeah, it's a nokia product, it shouldn't do that |
| 08:10.53 | GeneralAntilles | Only flasher-2.0.macosx over here. |
| 08:11.06 | timelyx | does flasher2's help really not list them? |
| 08:11.08 | limepi | flashing success :D |
| 08:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, nevermind |
| 08:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | There it goes. |
| 08:11.31 | timelyx | kulve: um |
| 08:11.39 | timelyx | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/ |
| 08:11.44 | timelyx | doesn't seem like you can do anything |
| 08:12.46 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles / kulve: please don't fix that until they fix the bug i'm about to file :) |
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| 08:13.22 | limepi | whoa '08 is a world away from '07 |
| 08:13.59 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles / kulve: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2480 :) |
| 08:14.38 | timelyx | infobot capture root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/ |
| 08:14.39 | infobot | ACTION chases root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/ mercilessly for minutes, hours & days on end until he finally captures root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at ... |
| 08:14.46 | timelyx | oh brother |
| 08:15.04 | timelyx | infobot literal capture |
| 08:15.10 | timelyx | infobot help capture |
| 08:15.24 | timelyx | ok. so "finger" and "capture" are reserved words |
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| 08:16.30 | timelyx | (yes, they speak a language, and yes, i used to speak it) |
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| 08:17.23 | rip_ | :\ |
| 08:17.57 | timelyx | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/04/015229 is a great haha item |
| 08:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 08:27.14 | limepi | so wait how can I make awesome startup screen with flasher2 |
| 08:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see a way, limepi. |
| 08:27.39 | limepi | not even --enable-rd-mode |
| 08:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | Not the awesomeness you're looking for. |
| 08:28.16 | limepi | not like when you start up any other linux box |
| 08:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, it just shows some version and HW info. |
| 08:28.36 | limepi | it seems like that would be a trivial hack |
| 08:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding |
| 08:28.57 | limepi | well, if it's cooler than the current startup, I'm all for it |
| 08:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | and something I'd really like to see. :) |
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| 08:29.33 | timelyx | limepi: there's a package for os2006 that lets you change the default boot screen to a vista logo |
| 08:29.43 | timelyx | it's marked as a vista theme |
| 08:29.48 | timelyx | find that package and review its contnet |
| 08:29.52 | limepi | heh |
| 08:29.53 | timelyx | s/net$/ent/ |
| 08:30.04 | timelyx | you think that's funny? i'm using it :) |
| 08:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 08:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | WTF |
| 08:30.11 | limepi | too involved!!! im all about lazyweb |
| 08:30.26 | limepi | just complain to someone who knows how to fix it :) |
| 08:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think the irony value of the Vista theme outweighs having to use it on a daily basis. ;) |
| 08:31.40 | limepi | p.s. elektex still doesn't pair w/os 2008 |
| 08:33.00 | timelyx | limepi: did you find the sample bug? |
| 08:33.17 | limepi | eh |
| 08:33.50 | timelyx | maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1149 |
| 08:33.59 | timelyx | or https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1711 |
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| 08:36.21 | timelyx | those two seem to list the tools you'd want to use |
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| 08:39.01 | limepi | man, os 2008 is much snappier |
| 08:40.16 | timelyx | another happy user |
| 08:40.42 | limepi | lol, this is like the first 2 minutes of use |
| 08:40.59 | limepi | I am pretty annoyed that my old software got nuked |
| 08:41.22 | limepi | but there wasn't much anyway... ukmp black was the only program worth a hoot |
| 08:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | Which? |
| 08:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's been ported. |
| 08:41.41 | limepi | of course it has |
| 08:42.00 | kulve | limepi: the 2008 should be able to restore installed apps, so they shouldn't get nuked in the future.. |
| 08:42.03 | limepi | I'm just doing the traditional update bitch |
| 08:42.13 | timelyx | kulve: not true |
| 08:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, I see. |
| 08:42.15 | limepi | it's kind of a ritual |
| 08:42.16 | kulve | timelyx: oh? |
| 08:42.19 | timelyx | it |
| 08:42.22 | timelyx | 'll record the list |
| 08:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | It just keeps a list |
| 08:42.31 | limepi | like when mac users went from os 9 to os x |
| 08:42.32 | timelyx | but when you try to restore, it won't have the primary catalog enabled |
| 08:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | so you can restore them with the app manager. |
| 08:42.35 | timelyx | so it won't ;-) |
| 08:42.36 | limepi | and all complained about the dock |
| 08:42.40 | timelyx | read m-vo :) |
| 08:42.48 | kulve | timelyx: yeah, well, enable first the disabled repo and restore then |
| 08:42.51 | timelyx | that's by far one of the coolest bugs.... |
| 08:42.59 | timelyx | typical of nokia design :) |
| 08:43.02 | kulve | yeah |
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| 08:43.31 | timelyx | sorry m-vo: you're a nokian, and that really is typical nokia design |
| 08:43.52 | timelyx | and in case people think i'm special, the web browser has at least as many warts |
| 08:44.00 | timelyx | but thankfully i inherited them |
| 08:44.09 | limepi | opera was way better than microb |
| 08:44.12 | limepi | imo |
| 08:44.24 | timelyx | your opinion isn't humble and doesn't matter |
| 08:44.29 | limepi | :) |
| 08:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | I still don't get why people are saying that. |
| 08:44.31 | zeenix | timelyx: nokia is *big* company and 'nokia design' may refer to a lot of different designs |
| 08:44.42 | limepi | GeneralAntilles, because it didn't mangle the crap out of pages |
| 08:44.44 | timelyx | zeenix: i challenge you to find me two that are good |
| 08:44.51 | timelyx | limepi: that's funny |
| 08:44.54 | zeenix | timelyx: define good |
| 08:45.05 | timelyx | since opera8.5 is something like 5 years old |
| 08:45.11 | timelyx | and essentially does mangle modern pages |
| 08:45.18 | timelyx | limepi: are you using fit width to view? |
| 08:45.22 | limepi | yep |
| 08:45.28 | limepi | so I can see |
| 08:45.28 | timelyx | if so, you're *telling* the browser to mangle the page |
| 08:45.35 | timelyx | and i so don't want to hear about it |
| 08:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 08:45.38 | limepi | pssh |
| 08:45.47 | timelyx | don't use that feature |
| 08:45.56 | limepi | um, don't use the internet? |
| 08:45.58 | timelyx | clearly the check box needs to show a dialog |
| 08:45.59 | limepi | if I can't see it |
| 08:46.26 | timelyx | "Enabling this feature will *mangle* all pages. Use it at your own risk. Complaints about mangled pages are not welcomed." |
| 08:46.39 | limepi | like I wanna read my stolen ebooks in peace, and in big ol' letters |
| 08:46.46 | limepi | so feh on you |
| 08:46.57 | timelyx | limepi: sorry. i hate mind reading |
| 08:47.08 | timelyx | people who come in and say that product X breaks {world} |
| 08:47.17 | limepi | at least you know your cognitive biases |
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| 08:47.20 | timelyx | when they mean "enabling a feature in X designed to break the world breaks the world" |
| 08:47.34 | timelyx | is really not nice |
| 08:47.42 | timelyx | the browsing engine in microb is much better |
| 08:47.47 | limepi | yeah |
| 08:47.54 | limepi | it almost ran meebo |
| 08:48.01 | timelyx | its ability to help small screens render big content is indeed nowhere near as good as opera's |
| 08:48.01 | limepi | while meebo just totally pinned opera |
| 08:48.04 | limepi | "/ |
| 08:48.05 | limepi | er |
| 08:48.09 | limepi | :/ |
| 08:48.16 | timelyx | however, opera has been in the embedded space forever |
| 08:48.41 | limepi | riemann? |
| 08:48.43 | timelyx | and while mozilla has been embeddable, most people haven't tried to make os adaptation algorithms |
| 08:48.57 | limepi | (bad joke) |
| 08:49.03 | Big_B | where should talk about flash lite . Amy body please!!! |
| 08:49.12 | Big_B | any |
| 08:49.48 | Big_B | Ia there any flash lite room like Maemo ?? |
| 08:49.54 | limepi | um |
| 08:49.58 | limepi | #flash ? |
| 08:50.17 | Big_B | Flash Lite |
| 08:50.18 | limepi | #nichita |
| 08:50.21 | timelyx | i don't know of anyone playing w/ flash light |
| 08:50.34 | flatface | people use flash light? |
| 08:50.41 | Big_B | I m serious . Please |
| 08:51.45 | limepi | where's the canonical list of repositories? tia |
| 08:52.00 | flatface | Big_B: it's pretty unpopular, so I don't think so. and even if there was, we probably don't know about it. |
| 08:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 08:52.32 | Big_B | Ya . Thank you |
| 08:52.38 | timelyx | Big_B: i'm serious |
| 08:52.50 | limepi | GeneralAntilles, awesome |
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| 08:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | That was interesting. |
| 08:55.17 | timelyx | why is he so interested in flash light? |
| 08:55.25 | timelyx | note: i'm personally curious about it |
| 08:55.33 | timelyx | however i can't understand why a normal person would be |
| 08:55.51 | timelyx | and my definition of normal for that statement includes pretty much everyone here :) |
| 08:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's an enigma. :P |
| 08:56.00 | limepi | what is flash light? |
| 08:56.08 | limepi | is it macromedia related |
| 08:56.08 | timelyx | a second flash impl from adobe |
| 08:56.15 | timelyx | beyond that, i really don't know |
| 08:56.16 | limepi | er... adobe |
| 08:56.17 | limepi | heh |
| 08:56.23 | flatface | it's a watered down version of adobe flash, and I've only ever seen it mentioned on my Noka E62. |
| 08:56.24 | timelyx | they seem to be independent |
| 08:56.40 | timelyx | i mean really independent |
| 08:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe he just installed a copy of Adobe CS3, opened up Device Central, and wondered what the hell it was talking about? |
| 08:56.59 | timelyx | but why ask in #maemo? |
| 08:57.29 | flatface | timelyx: people stumble into the weirdest irc rooms for even weirder reasons. |
| 08:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | He's actually an Adobe engineer who is porting it to the platform? |
| 08:57.55 | flatface | and apparently #maemo is actually #411 |
| 08:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | flatface, IRC is a strange place. |
| 08:58.09 | flatface | GeneralAntilles: got that right. |
| 08:58.21 | limepi | irc is the sewage system of the series of tubes |
| 08:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm . . . 411 |
| 08:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | No, that's AOL's "IRC", limepi. ;) |
| 08:58.51 | limepi | we make everything run, but we're also where the s*it flows through |
| 08:58.55 | limepi | oh come on |
| 08:59.10 | flatface | I thought that was somethingawful/4chan. |
| 08:59.14 | limepi | you know that all of the most disgusting pictures/disturbing memes started on irc |
| 08:59.24 | limepi | IRC precedes both |
| 08:59.34 | timelyx | predates? |
| 08:59.47 | timelyx | precedes has a different ordering |
| 08:59.54 | limepi | hm |
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| 09:00.23 | limepi | "To come, exist, or occur before in time" |
| 09:01.10 | limepi | I might be a tad fail at being a 'leet hax0r, but I simply do not make usage errors |
| 09:01.10 | timelyx | wrong tense |
| 09:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | predate is a little less awkward in that context. |
| 09:01.14 | timelyx | precedes would be present |
| 09:01.22 | timelyx | preceded would be past |
| 09:01.29 | timelyx | your word failed more for that reason |
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| 09:01.46 | limepi | arguable predates is better verbiage |
| 09:02.03 | limepi | but precedes is still syntactically correct |
| 09:02.07 | timelyx | nope :) |
| 09:02.19 | timelyx | preceded would have been |
| 09:02.19 | flatface | your grammar is breaking my mind |
| 09:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | IRC is where all the grammar nazis come to play. :) |
| 09:03.00 | limepi | also |
| 09:03.02 | limepi | actually |
| 09:03.08 | limepi | the way you've parsed it is wrong |
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| 09:03.16 | limepi | and that's why you think it's a usage error |
| 09:04.00 | limepi | what I was trying to articulate is the concept that SA/4Chan are the product of the sort of humor that blossoms on IRC |
| 09:04.18 | limepi | predates implies independent discovery |
| 09:04.34 | limepi | lulz existed long before encyclopedia dramatica |
| 09:05.06 | limepi | much like the newsgroup preceded the blog |
| 09:05.44 | limepi | note the similarity to "precedent," in the legal sense |
| 09:06.02 | limepi | as in "based upon previous decisions" |
| 09:06.26 | timelyx | it's 11am, too early in the morning for this lecture |
| 09:06.28 | limepi | man, you guys almost tricked me into believing I did teh dumb |
| 09:06.36 | limepi | ...it's 1am here |
| 09:06.58 | flatface | 4am here. |
| 09:07.22 | limepi | GeneralAntilles, am I a grammar nazi? |
| 09:07.39 | limepi | or merely a sympathizer |
| 09:07.43 | doc|home | heh |
| 09:07.48 | timelyx | sympathizer |
| 09:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, do you gas AOLers? |
| 09:08.14 | limepi | if by gas you mean lastmeasure |
| 09:08.32 | flatface | heh |
| 09:09.02 | limepi | and actually I lied, I pulled that one in a channel that was relaying a macworld keynote |
| 09:09.10 | limepi | with like 600 members and two ops |
| 09:09.28 | timelyx | limepi: i'm still uncertain/unconvinced |
| 09:09.48 | timelyx | but i'm certain i will not be more convinced w/o coffee (which i don't drink) |
| 09:10.05 | limepi | wait, convinced that I'm a nazi w/r/t grammar? |
| 09:10.19 | timelyx | no, your argument about your use of the wor |
| 09:10.20 | timelyx | d |
| 09:10.33 | limepi | about the origins of sick humor on the internet? |
| 09:10.46 | timelyx | just "precedes" |
| 09:10.51 | timelyx | i accept the point you were trying to make |
| 09:10.58 | timelyx | my quibble is merely w/ the word |
| 09:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | I agree on the tense issue. |
| 09:11.14 | limepi | timelyx, google it and check out the real-world usage |
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| 09:12.11 | timelyx | the examples i'm seeing in the first page are all continuous |
| 09:12.20 | timelyx | i assume you meant the invention of irc |
| 09:12.29 | limepi | and I mean, it's not "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" |
| 09:12.31 | timelyx | if you meant continuous use of irc... |
| 09:12.44 | limepi | um |
| 09:12.53 | limepi | the word has connotations of both |
| 09:13.24 | timelyx | the first 10 google hits are all for continuous |
| 09:13.25 | limepi | as though there is a continuous flow of technology |
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| 09:14.15 | timelyx | well maybe survey war precedes venezuela referendum i suppose |
| 09:14.25 | limepi | "the invention of the ENIAC computer was preceded by the ENIGMA encryption equipment used by Axis forces" |
| 09:14.35 | timelyx | precedeD |
| 09:14.45 | limepi | whoops |
| 09:14.47 | limepi | heh |
| 09:14.50 | timelyx | the word is fine, the quibble finally seems to be the tense |
| 09:14.52 | limepi | was preceded |
| 09:15.03 | limepi | that is sloppy |
| 09:15.05 | limepi | :( |
| 09:15.26 | flatface | Holy crap, you're still arguing over this? |
| 09:15.33 | limepi | we're not arguing |
| 09:15.33 | timelyx | flatface: i'm a bad loser |
| 09:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | This is IRC, flatface. ;) |
| 09:15.39 | timelyx | and we concluded |
| 09:15.40 | flatface | yeah, I know |
| 09:15.59 | limepi | we're doing PHILOSOPHY according to wittgenstein |
| 09:16.05 | limepi | so thbbit |
| 09:16.13 | timelyx | gah, no you're giving me reading for my vacation |
| 09:16.15 | timelyx | that's mean |
| 09:16.27 | timelyx | how can i enjoy rome if i have to find out who or what wittgenstein is/was |
| 09:16.31 | limepi | ha |
| 09:16.34 | limepi | bwahahaha |
| 09:17.01 | limepi | you're not familiar with philosophy of language/mind? |
| 09:17.21 | timelyx | i'm self taught? |
| 09:17.25 | limepi | ditto |
| 09:17.33 | timelyx | i need to find a woman who can give me more formal schooling |
| 09:17.44 | limepi | why a woman |
| 09:18.31 | limepi | you're obviously looking for someone to ask you |
| 09:19.02 | red-zack | he is the guy is named jack the ripper ¬¬ |
| 09:19.37 | red-zack | nooo woman noo cryy...*sing* |
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| 09:29.33 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, lardman. |
| 09:30.32 | lardman | hi GeneralAntilles |
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| 09:35.06 | Rocketman | Anybody else notice really poor garbage collection on the n810? |
| 09:35.49 | Rocketman | or possibly memory leaks? |
| 09:35.49 | mgedmin | ? |
| 09:35.55 | lardman | jffs2? |
| 09:35.59 | Rocketman | I keep seeing my free memory go down and down |
| 09:36.16 | mgedmin | if it goes down, then it's not a leak :-) |
| 09:36.23 | lardman | leaking out |
| 09:36.28 | lardman | :) |
| 09:37.00 | timelyx | Rocketman: most maemo apps don't use garbage collection |
| 09:37.05 | timelyx | the browser does, and python apps do |
| 09:37.07 | timelyx | nothing else |
| 09:37.15 | Rocketman | for example, will open web browser and then close it |
| 09:37.22 | timelyx | the root file system does, but that's not ram |
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| 09:37.43 | timelyx | Rocketman: note that complaining about browser memory behavior will get you nowhere |
| 09:37.44 | timelyx | fast |
| 09:37.54 | timelyx | if you want to get something done, you need to be on irc.mozilla.org |
| 09:37.55 | Rocketman | and will usually have like 15 MB less free |
| 09:38.04 | timelyx | and you need to read at least pavlov's blog |
| 09:38.13 | limepi | what are the must-have apps? |
| 09:38.18 | lardman | Rocketman: it may remain cached |
| 09:38.25 | timelyx | limepi: x terminal, ssh |
| 09:38.47 | limepi | xterm is |
| 09:38.55 | Rocketman | x term finally is |
| 09:39.09 | limepi | what about music/video/game etc.-wise |
| 09:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper, FBReader, mplayer, limepi. |
| 09:39.32 | limepi | also is there anything akin to netstumbler? |
| 09:39.37 | Rocketman | your question is really broad |
| 09:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | ScummVM, maybe. |
| 09:39.40 | Rocketman | kismet |
| 09:39.57 | limepi | I'm not seeing kismet in my app manager |
| 09:39.57 | Rocketman | much, much better than netstumbler |
| 09:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps mmpc if you have an mpd set up. |
| 09:40.11 | wumpus | openttd :) |
| 09:40.24 | limepi | like, I kind of mean, what are the non-obvious great programs |
| 09:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | I covered them for you, limepi. ;) |
| 09:41.21 | timelyx | some people get ukmp |
| 09:41.24 | flatface | Is it worth upgrading to 2008 beta now, or should I wait for final? I guess this question only applies if you have to wipe everything when doing the upgrade. |
| 09:41.25 | wumpus | you can always look on garage.maemo.org and see if you find something else interesting |
| 09:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | maemodrac, Doom, Quake I/II and gpe-sudok are good for games. |
| 09:41.38 | limepi | ukmp was great on 2007 |
| 09:41.38 | timelyx | flatface: you will whipe |
| 09:41.42 | timelyx | 99% certain :) |
| 09:41.50 | flatface | :/ |
| 09:41.56 | timelyx | wipe |
| 09:41.57 | timelyx | whatever |
| 09:42.05 | timelyx | crazy parking is a good game |
| 09:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | What's the matter with UKMP on OS2008, limepi? |
| 09:42.10 | timelyx | especially for 4yo'd |
| 09:42.22 | limepi | GeneralAntilles, nothing at all... I have yet to install it |
| 09:42.23 | flatface | I may as well wait, then. I'm pretty lazy. |
| 09:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, I played crazy parking with a real set. |
| 09:42.36 | timelyx | flatface: in theory the backup restore can remember which things you installed |
| 09:42.48 | limepi | GeneralAntilles, the plastic puzzle |
| 09:42.50 | limepi | ? |
| 09:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. |
| 09:42.56 | flatface | timelyx: but from what I read before, it might be useless if the repos change. |
| 09:42.56 | timelyx | and as long as you're careful and walk through some convoluted steps you can use that app list to restore after you flash |
| 09:43.11 | limepi | "rush hour"! yeah that game was great |
| 09:43.14 | timelyx | flatface: doubter |
| 09:43.22 | timelyx | limepi: oh, i started w/ real plastic |
| 09:43.28 | limepi | ditto |
| 09:43.30 | timelyx | but i didn't have my own set, so when i came to finland |
| 09:43.36 | timelyx | this was the best i could find easily |
| 09:43.36 | limepi | binarts ftw |
| 09:43.40 | timelyx | yep |
| 09:43.44 | timelyx | awesome company |
| 09:43.57 | timelyx | i need to buy a couple of that game the next time i'm stateside |
| 09:44.00 | limepi | although I think they just changed their name to something else |
| 09:44.02 | timelyx | i can give it as gifts |
| 09:44.16 | limepi | like how philip morris became altria |
| 09:44.27 | timelyx | gah |
| 09:44.50 | timelyx | http://www.jigsawjungle.com/code/teasers/rushour.htm |
| 09:45.03 | limepi | ah... they renamed the company ThinkFun |
| 09:45.20 | limepi | which is totally lame compared to binary arts |
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| 09:45.54 | limepi | which sounds like exactly what douglas hofstader would have named the company's puzzles |
| 09:46.36 | timelyx | hopefully the dollar will have tanked a bit more before i'm back stateside |
| 09:46.42 | timelyx | so i can afford to buy their games |
| 09:46.47 | limepi | gee, thanks |
| 09:46.53 | timelyx | sorry |
| 09:47.06 | timelyx | i don't have 100usd handy to buy enough games |
| 09:47.06 | limepi | fortunately, I sell gold and silver bullion |
| 09:47.49 | limepi | yeah |
| 09:48.03 | limepi | the market always kind of calms down before the FOMC meeting |
| 09:48.17 | limepi | but there's certainly going to be a rate cut |
| 09:48.31 | timelyx | aww, you ruined my surprise |
| 09:48.32 | limepi | a modest one will take gold back to its previous resistance level |
| 09:48.56 | limepi | while a big surprise one will power it through lord knows what |
| 09:49.05 | limepi | it closed at 835 a few weeks ago |
| 09:49.35 | timelyx | ok. we know you're smarter than the rest of us |
| 09:49.45 | timelyx | quit showing off ;-) |
| 09:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 09:50.25 | limepi | hmm |
| 09:50.41 | limepi | so you mean to say that you don't think I'm entirely full of shit |
| 09:50.49 | timelyx | i mean i know my limits |
| 09:51.01 | limepi | so that is highly complimentary |
| 09:51.05 | timelyx | i don't know enough about the financial markets, i certainly don't know much about gold |
| 09:51.29 | limepi | it's going to be like 1929 |
| 09:51.32 | limepi | TIMES 1000 |
| 09:51.53 | limepi | but seriously, a million enrons have blossomed |
| 09:51.53 | timelyx | yeah, it's strictly complimentary |
| 09:52.43 | timelyx | it's odd, i think you're the second or third person i've seen here who really seems to have some understanding of the financial markets |
| 09:52.51 | timelyx | either it's now a popular topic stateside |
| 09:52.57 | limepi | goldman sachs will make enron look like shoplifting from wal-mart |
| 09:53.06 | timelyx | or the audience for the n800/n810 really is people who understand (have) money |
| 09:53.08 | limepi | here, in #maemo? |
| 09:53.15 | timelyx | i think so |
| 09:53.22 | limepi | cool :) |
| 09:53.24 | timelyx | i'm in a number of channels and my memory's terrible |
| 09:53.30 | timelyx | so it's possible i'm merging them |
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| 09:53.31 | limepi | yeah. we're very early adopters |
| 09:53.45 | kulve | timelyx: the use_system_prefs was already set to false. I'm now trying to enable the proxies but how can I see if they works (I can access the internet without the proxy too..)? I set invalid url for the proxy, but it doesn't to anything. I tried with type == 1 and setting the proxy and type == 2 and setting the autoconfig url |
| 09:54.13 | timelyx | kulve: it should be 1 w/ proxyconf iirc |
| 09:54.14 | limepi | I don't know how the hell to make it, but I like to be adept at using it |
| 09:54.44 | limepi | (software, that is) |
| 09:55.08 | timelyx | kulve: oh |
| 09:55.12 | timelyx | um, hrm |
| 09:55.26 | timelyx | kulve: is this in a vm? |
| 09:55.29 | limepi | so this channel is usually a mishmash of devs and then mouth-breathing users like me |
| 09:55.31 | timelyx | if so, the easiest thing is to break routing |
| 09:55.40 | kulve | timelyx: vm? I'm testing it on a device |
| 09:55.50 | timelyx | kulve: but not running itos? |
| 09:55.54 | kulve | no |
| 09:56.03 | timelyx | [no it's not running itos] |
| 09:56.06 | timelyx | ok... |
| 09:56.11 | timelyx | break dns resolution |
| 09:56.25 | timelyx | use ssh to setup a forward on localhost |
| 09:56.27 | limepi | ...where can I get kismet for chinook? |
| 09:56.39 | timelyx | setup the proxy to be on the forward |
| 09:56.44 | timelyx | and have no dns |
| 09:56.51 | timelyx | that should work well enough |
| 09:56.52 | kulve | timelyx: thx, I'll try something like that |
| 09:57.07 | timelyx | kulve: sorry, i'm having a brain freeze |
| 09:57.12 | timelyx | i know i have better approaches than that |
| 09:57.24 | timelyx | i think proxyconf technically has an alert() functions somewhere |
| 09:57.45 | timelyx | but you'd have to figure out where it goes (iirc it goes to *a* console) |
| 09:57.56 | limepi | okay, there's kismet for os '06 |
| 09:58.02 | timelyx | you could also use a logging proxy server |
| 09:58.06 | timelyx | and just view the access logs |
| 09:58.10 | timelyx | that's probably what i'd do |
| 09:58.29 | timelyx | i have a proxy server (apache) and i can grep the logs to decide whether it's being used |
| 09:58.46 | timelyx | you could of course use nspr logging |
| 09:59.00 | timelyx | NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 NSPR_LOG_FILE=/tmp/this_will_be_big |
| 09:59.07 | timelyx | export both... |
| 09:59.11 | kulve | timelyx: do you know if the microb tries to go directly, if the proxy url is invalid, or should it just show some error dialog? |
| 09:59.20 | timelyx | should give an error page |
| 09:59.37 | timelyx | ask someone else here while i go to work? |
| 10:00.42 | timelyx | > As if the burden of divorce weren't bad enough, people with failed marriages can be blamed for global warming, according to a study by Michigan State University. |
| 10:00.42 | timelyx | nice |
| 10:01.01 | limepi | talk about crappy science |
| 10:01.07 | limepi | "can be blamed for" |
| 10:01.22 | timelyx | you can blame just about everyone for just about anything and everything :) |
| 10:01.28 | limepi | I could blame global warming on polar bears if I wanted to |
| 10:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | Amen to that. |
| 10:01.33 | limepi | exactly. |
| 10:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | I blame global warming on limepi. |
| 10:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | All this talk about financial markets means he's an evil witchdoctor. |
| 10:02.12 | limepi | uh oh |
| 10:02.20 | limepi | you don't even want to know what else I talk about |
| 10:03.07 | limepi | I want to find these other maemo economists |
| 10:03.23 | timelyx | channel log is in the topic, good luck |
| 10:03.33 | limepi | ! |
| 10:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 10:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how big that log is. |
| 10:03.55 | limepi | google has encased me forever |
| 10:04.02 | doc|home | limepi: aye, it's going to get very messy (economy) |
| 10:04.06 | timelyx | yeah, but you have nothing to regret |
| 10:04.12 | doc|home | we're only about 10-20% of the way in :( |
| 10:04.16 | timelyx | not quite sure i can say the same thing about myself |
| 10:04.21 | doc|home | and the fed are making it worse |
| 10:04.25 | doc|home | cuts = bad |
| 10:04.30 | lardman | does the hailstorm, etc, require planar or packed YUV? |
| 10:04.50 | timelyx | lardman; you're getting too technical |
| 10:04.56 | timelyx | we were just talking about financial markets! |
| 10:05.01 | limepi | doc|home, the funny thing is, I had dinner at a friend's house, where a fund manager from PIMCO was visiting |
| 10:05.08 | timelyx | besides, wasn't that removed? |
| 10:05.24 | limepi | he didn't seem too concerned about the future |
| 10:05.25 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: fwiw that log is about half a million lines of text |
| 10:05.28 | lardman | sorry, was appealing to everyone else ;) |
| 10:05.36 | doc|home | limepi: drinking the Paulson kool-aid? |
| 10:05.49 | mgedmin | 160 megs |
| 10:05.55 | limepi | doc|home, are you familiar with bill gross? |
| 10:06.01 | doc|home | nope, can't say I am |
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| 10:06.05 | wumpus | lardman: packed, I think, but I'm not entirely sure |
| 10:06.12 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
| 10:06.16 | timelyx | mgedmin: heh, that's nothing, i had much bigger logs from undermac for much less time |
| 10:06.18 | limepi | he is like the warren buffett of bonds |
| 10:06.43 | lardman | wumpus: I'll have to try and find the spec pdf, somewhere on my computer...:) |
| 10:06.53 | limepi | was a student of edward o. thorpe |
| 10:07.01 | wumpus | lardman: yeah, or look at the kernel module source |
| 10:07.09 | wumpus | I didn't even know there was a spec pdf of it |
| 10:07.10 | limepi | and lived as a professional card counter for a while |
| 10:07.17 | doc|home | limepi: mind if I ask who you sell for? |
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| 10:07.23 | doc|home | I'm looking for cheaper metal :) |
| 10:07.32 | doc|home | I get boned by the spread :/ |
| 10:07.41 | lardman | wumpus: yeah, from Epson |
| 10:07.44 | limepi | lol, what's the spread on a krug |
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| 10:07.52 | limepi | http://londoncoin.com |
| 10:08.06 | wumpus | lardman: so epson does give out datasheets, how nice |
| 10:08.32 | lardman | wumpus: well yes and no, I think they did, but someone had to email to ask for them |
| 10:09.15 | doc|home | limepi: hmm, no rates? |
| 10:09.37 | doc|home | limepi: I don't buy krugs. They get taxed here. Maple leafs and 1oz bars or silver |
| 10:10.14 | limepi | er, what's the premium over spot for 1 oz rounds or a maple |
| 10:10.34 | limepi | in USD, please :) |
| 10:10.42 | timelyx | not CAD? :) |
| 10:10.53 | limepi | same difference :( |
| 10:11.16 | limepi | the last time canada broke the dollar was during the civil war |
| 10:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | Erg |
| 10:11.51 | doc|home | limepi: they don't have rounds, just bars, a bar is 803.50m maple leaf 821.70 |
| 10:12.08 | limepi | okay, I know what a maple is |
| 10:12.09 | doc|home | local place, so no delivery |
| 10:12.16 | limepi | oh |
| 10:12.17 | limepi | heh |
| 10:12.27 | limepi | wait, what spot is that off of? |
| 10:12.39 | doc|home | also, no paper trail in case the government decide to make it illegal for private holding again :) |
| 10:12.57 | limepi | doc, what was spot!?!?????????!!#??312412 |
| 10:13.02 | doc|home | er, I'm not sure to be honest, you can ask them to get an update spot, they don't say |
| 10:13.16 | limepi | uh, for the prices you just quoted me |
| 10:13.25 | limepi | you do not know the value of the underlying asset? |
| 10:13.43 | doc|home | gold fluctuates so fast these days they can't keep up |
| 10:13.48 | timelyx | limepi: i thought it was 1976 or something |
| 10:13.59 | doc|home | it's not a dynamic site, so you can get updated prices when you go in |
| 10:14.01 | limepi | doc|home, um... we have a little price ticker |
| 10:14.07 | limepi | from kitco.com |
| 10:14.09 | doc|home | far too advanced for them ;) |
| 10:14.18 | doc|home | they ring up their office |
| 10:14.38 | limepi | http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=FOREX_XAUUSDO |
| 10:14.39 | doc|home | these will be prices from earlier today, will update them in the morning |
| 10:14.48 | limepi | ^live spot |
| 10:14.59 | doc|home | oh yeah, I know what spot prices are, I just don't know what spot price they based their prices on |
| 10:15.10 | limepi | they might just use the london fixed one or whatever |
| 10:15.13 | doc|home | i.e. what the spread is right at the moment |
| 10:15.17 | timelyx | limepi: |
| 10:15.17 | timelyx | The previous time the two currencies traded at par was in November 1976, just after René Lévesque's election victory in Quebec, which sent the Canadian dollar reeling. |
| 10:15.20 | timelyx | http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=9755 |
| 10:15.24 | limepi | like... where are you buying these? |
| 10:15.31 | doc|home | limepi: vbce.info |
| 10:16.07 | limepi | interesting. |
| 10:16.17 | doc|home | oh, and that's on an xe.com conversion rate, however accurate that may be |
| 10:16.31 | limepi | yeah they got a pretty big spread |
| 10:16.35 | doc|home | wow, the two have really gotten close together |
| 10:16.39 | doc|home | (usd and cad) |
| 10:16.51 | limepi | 1 OZ SILVER BAR 14.50 16.50 |
| 10:16.52 | doc|home | thought it'd break 1.10 for a while |
| 10:17.00 | doc|home | limepi: yeah, and on the selling I hurt :/ |
| 10:17.06 | limepi | we're like .70/spot |
| 10:17.12 | limepi | either way |
| 10:17.15 | doc|home | nice |
| 10:17.24 | doc|home | but then shipping costs negate that for me :/ |
| 10:17.31 | limepi | yeah |
| 10:17.42 | limepi | support your local coin store |
| 10:19.47 | doc|home | ok, night all |
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| 10:22.27 | limepi | ha, of course... I'm voting for obama but I strongly approve of ron paul |
| 10:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | Obama. No thanks. |
| 10:23.42 | flatface | are you trying to start a flamewar, limepi? |
| 10:23.42 | doc|home | obama? The one who thinks invading pakistan might be a good idea? |
| 10:23.45 | GeneralAntilles | Way too much socialism there. |
| 10:23.49 | doc|home | flatface: no, I pm'd him |
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| 10:24.03 | doc|home | s/invading/bombing |
| 10:25.26 | limepi | heh |
| 10:25.41 | limepi | he doesn't actually think invading pakistan is a good idea |
| 10:26.03 | limepi | but he thinks the idea of making people believe that the us might invade pakistan if they pissed the us off enough... that's a good idea |
| 10:26.37 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody in favor of big government is a no-go for me. |
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| 10:27.19 | timelyx | i hope that includes republicans who grow the gov |
| 10:27.21 | limepi | government and industry have congealed into one institution |
| 10:27.27 | timelyx | while claiming to want to reduce it |
| 10:27.35 | limepi | "big government" is just big business |
| 10:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, I'm not that much of a moron, timelyx. ;) |
| 10:28.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ron Paul is my man. |
| 10:28.15 | limepi | ditto |
| 10:28.18 | timelyx | hrm, 4 movie tickets for <30eur |
| 10:28.22 | timelyx | that doesn't sound bad |
| 10:28.26 | limepi | he will at worst be like a perot |
| 10:28.29 | timelyx | (movie tickets are overpriced here) |
| 10:28.37 | limepi | and at best he'll be the true heir to goldwater |
| 10:28.56 | limepi | or, like... uh... milton friedman? |
| 10:28.57 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: sorry... it's an offhand complaint about republicans |
| 10:29.07 | timelyx | they say one thing, and do the opposite |
| 10:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | Democrats = Republicans |
| 10:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | They're the same party. |
| 10:29.30 | limepi | pigs feeding from the same trough |
| 10:29.33 | timelyx | democrats at least don't say they want small government |
| 10:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | One thinks you're stupid and the other things you're evil. |
| 10:29.48 | GeneralAntilles | *k |
| 10:29.53 | limepi | you could easily swap the two |
| 10:30.15 | limepi | liberals think you're evil for driving an SUV |
| 10:30.16 | dpb_ | timelyx: where do you get the tickets that cheap? |
| 10:30.18 | timelyx | my you guys don't like the us parties much :) |
| 10:30.29 | timelyx | http://www.finnkino.fi/news/4/506/ |
| 10:30.42 | limepi | okay, I need to quit fighting the ambien |
| 10:30.48 | dpb_ | ah |
| 10:30.49 | limepi | off to bed I go |
| 10:31.00 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i hope it's in english |
| 10:31.03 | timelyx | i can't read finnish |
| 10:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | Unless my brain is broken. |
| 10:31.26 | timelyx | http://www.finnkino.fi/news/4/506/?lang=eng |
| 10:31.33 | timelyx | yeah |
| 10:31.44 | timelyx | i guess they cookied me |
| 10:31.50 | timelyx | too bad the cookie doesn't seem to last |
| 10:32.27 | timelyx | i think normal tickets are 10-11eur |
| 10:32.40 | timelyx | and they used to advertise 6 for 5 or something |
| 10:32.44 | timelyx | so this is 4 for 3 |
| 10:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | Expensive. |
| 10:33.03 | timelyx | imagine thinking in terms of usd? |
| 10:33.23 | timelyx | 5 * 10 Euros = 73.69 U.S. dollars |
| 10:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | I have the University theater to go to. |
| 10:34.06 | dpb_ | you can get a 9-ticket set for 69 euros all the time, 7.67 each. |
| 10:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | $1USD |
| 10:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | 'course, it just comes out of my tuition. |
| 10:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | But the state pays for that, anyway. |
| 10:34.40 | timelyx | sillicon valley had a place where you could get tickets for something like 1.50 on tuesdays |
| 10:34.42 | timelyx | and they had double features |
| 10:34.49 | timelyx | so for something like $3 you got 4 movies |
| 10:34.52 | timelyx | and a full day |
| 10:35.05 | timelyx | of course, i ended up buying at least one lunch/dinner for 10-20$ |
| 10:35.10 | timelyx | so it averaged out... |
| 10:35.23 | timelyx | the rest of the week it was 3.50 iirc |
| 10:35.37 | dpb_ | and Mon-Fri before 17.00 it's always 6.50 only.. |
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| 10:36.03 | timelyx | http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3711452146 |
| 10:36.09 | GeneralAntilles | Fun stuff: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/ |
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| 10:40.19 | mariorz | anyonw use the 770 as a media center control of sorts? |
| 10:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | Which media center? |
| 10:40.51 | mariorz | good question |
| 10:41.03 | mariorz | xbmx would rock |
| 10:41.11 | mariorz | but anything thats available really |
| 10:41.19 | mariorz | xbmc |
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| 10:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I can control my OS X box that I use for home theater/media stuff with a web interface and mmpc for music. |
| 10:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | If it has an http interface, then you're set. |
| 10:42.03 | mariorz | interesting |
| 10:42.15 | mariorz | what web interface? |
| 10:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the media center, but in my case, http://www.iospirit.com/remotebuddy/ |
| 10:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | This might be useful for xbmc: http://tlrobinson.net/projects/xbmciphone/ |
| 10:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously, you'll need MicroB |
| 10:45.58 | mariorz | nice! thanks |
| 10:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Web_Interface |
| 10:46.19 | mariorz | mmpc+mpd seems cool too |
| 10:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it works really well for music playback |
| 10:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | Not nearly as clunky as http |
| 10:47.30 | mariorz | does mpd work with airtunes or would that be asking too much? |
| 10:47.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'm guessing that there's a way to make it work. |
| 10:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I don't have any experience with the AirPort Express, so I dunno. |
| 10:48.31 | mariorz | wow that would rock, ill google |
| 10:48.34 | mariorz | thanks man |
| 10:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | There's a number of apps out there that'll route audio to an airport express |
| 10:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | The question is whether they would be able to easily grab it from a daemon. |
| 10:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | You have darwinports installed? |
| 10:49.01 | mariorz | yup |
| 10:49.20 | mariorz | shit |
| 10:49.33 | mariorz | now im wont be able to workn until i have all thi set up :P |
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| 10:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/mac/#fn1 |
| 10:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe that. |
| 10:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, that should work just fine: "System Audio Support - Airfoil will transmit all audio playing on the system" |
| 10:51.12 | mariorz | cool |
| 10:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | Although you'd have to turn it on and off. |
| 10:51.26 | mariorz | turn what on and off? |
| 10:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | Airfoil |
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| 10:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | Start it forwarding all system audio |
| 10:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Or you'll end up with it forwarded all the time. ;) |
| 10:52.10 | mariorz | oh right |
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| 11:28.11 | mariorz | GeneralAntilles: hey remote buddy seems pretty cool alas the ajax remote doesnt seem to load ont he device wtf? works fine on localhost |
| 11:28.39 | mariorz | you had any trouble? |
| 11:31.30 | mariorz | it jsut times out, network conection is fine i can access the regular httpd |
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| 11:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | Firewall open on that port? |
| 11:34.06 | lardman | still no n810 in the uk nokia shop :( |
| 11:34.52 | dpb_ | It's only the 4th.. |
| 11:35.19 | dpb_ | they said it'll come by the 15th, still lots of time. |
| 11:35.22 | lardman | dpb_: I'd hoped that date was a backstop |
| 11:35.32 | lardman | 11 days left then |
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| 11:36.03 | mariorz | ahh could be that |
| 11:36.03 | mariorz | GeneralAntilles: were would i go about opening the port? |
| 11:36.03 | mariorz | nvm |
| 11:36.10 | dpb_ | yeah, well, it might come earlier, but I don't expect that.. |
| 11:37.14 | GeneralAntilles | Image Viewer seem a lot faster in OS2008? |
| 11:37.19 | mariorz | GeneralAntilles: awesome :) |
| 11:37.42 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: well it was pretty slow before so that's a good thing |
| 11:37.47 | VRe | Does somebody else have problems with os2008beta and browser on n800? On mine it crashes constantly. Most often when starting and opening the page from bookmarks or from rss-reader |
| 11:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | Did you restore from backup? |
| 11:38.17 | VRe | yes |
| 11:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2398 |
| 11:38.39 | GeneralAntilles | There's a fix in there. |
| 11:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it should fix it. |
| 11:39.54 | VRe | shadows of opera |
| 11:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I think OS2008 Image Viewer is a LOT better. Which is great, because the NITs are really awesome photo albums. |
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| 11:43.35 | tigert | i used it to crop and scale my flickr photos for tablet size |
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| 11:43.45 | kulve | I liked the image viewer upgrades too.. |
| 11:43.55 | tigert | its good enough for me to keep using it, nice |
| 11:44.35 | tigert | so i have a bunch of my photos in 800x480 size for slideshow if i need to show them to someone |
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| 11:49.13 | kulve | on a summer trip, we'll check out the images taken during the day by swapping the sd card from the camera to the n800. The display is quite much nicer than in our ixus.. |
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| 11:51.18 | alterego | Grrr .. My server is acting up :( |
| 11:52.00 | GeneralAntilles | Beat it with a hammer, alterego. |
| 11:52.14 | alterego | All I can do is ping and portscan it :/ |
| 11:52.51 | alterego | ping times are respectable and the open ports are expected. But trying to ssh and it just hangs :/ |
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| 11:53.03 | alterego | Oh, it's working now ^_^ |
| 11:53.56 | rip_ | is there a reason by default, that Busybox in Maemo won't let you ping anything unless your root? |
| 11:55.08 | Veggen | Hm. For ping to work, it needs to be suid root. |
| 11:55.18 | alterego | It's a symlink .. |
| 11:55.19 | Veggen | And you don't want to suid root your busybox binary. |
| 11:55.24 | alterego | :) |
| 11:55.50 | rip_ | I just find it strange that you need to be root to ping :p |
| 11:55.50 | alterego | Seems kind of pointless having a busybox implementation of ping then. Do people actually suid their busybox? |
| 11:55.52 | rip_ | thats all |
| 11:56.42 | Veggen | alterego: you can always sudo ping ? |
| 11:56.52 | alterego | Sure |
| 11:57.11 | alterego | It's still not exactly pretty :) |
| 11:57.21 | alterego | Point taken though, |
| 11:57.29 | rip_ | sudo ping 10.0.0.1 ? and that works ? |
| 11:57.32 | keesj | Hi |
| 11:58.06 | wumpus | rip_: well, ping uses raw ip sockets, which usually requires root permissions |
| 11:58.07 | alterego | rip_, only if it's in your /etc/sudoers |
| 11:58.17 | rip_ | ahh ok fair enough cheers |
| 11:58.31 | rip_ | I've setup a root account, just thought it was kinda strange is all |
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| 11:58.54 | rip_ | all my other Linux boxes allow regular users to ping, but thats for desktop I guess |
| 11:59.00 | keesj | did anyboy try to mail $user@garage.maemo.org lately from outside? |
| 11:59.02 | rip_ | just different from what im used to ;) |
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| 11:59.29 | alterego | rip_, add this line to /etc/sudoers: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ping |
| 11:59.37 | alterego | That'll allow you to do: sudo ping |
| 12:00.21 | rip_ | cheers |
| 12:00.23 | wumpus | then just to alias ping='/usr/bin/sudo /sbin/ping' |
| 12:00.29 | wumpus | (or whatever the paths are :) |
| 12:00.31 | keesj | rip_: did you do the olsrd? |
| 12:00.45 | alterego | :) |
| 12:05.41 | rip_ | yeah |
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| 12:05.47 | rip_ | I posted some stuff to MUD |
| 12:06.13 | rip_ | its just a generic build, the config file by default needs to be changed |
| 12:06.31 | rip_ | but works fine on my N800 with OS2008 :) |
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| 12:08.32 | rip_ | does anyone know if MUD is still an active project ? if thats what you were refering to Keesj |
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| 12:14.04 | keesj | thanks! |
| 12:14.13 | alterego | Urgh .. Werk, werk werk .. |
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| 12:36.42 | rip_ | cool didn't realise they added to the MUD svn :p cool |
| 12:36.48 | rip_ | :P |
| 12:38.56 | kaltsi | I don't know the correct terminology here but is there a tool that would print out an 'object hierarchy' or something like that of the task navigator application menu at runtime? |
| 12:40.29 | rip_ | so programs that are running ? |
| 12:40.58 | kaltsi | no.. that 'runtime' was a bad choise of words :) |
| 12:41.30 | kaltsi | I'd just like to see how the application menu is constructed |
| 12:41.54 | rip_ | you can move things around and into different menus |
| 12:42.44 | rip_ | if thats kinda what you mean, so you can see what is where, but there is no config file that I know of |
| 12:43.09 | rip_ | its in Control panel |
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| 12:43.19 | rip_ | and then go down to "Panels" |
| 12:43.44 | rip_ | then on applications you can click on "organise" |
| 12:44.56 | kaltsi | rip_: yes thanks that's too high-level.. I'm looking for something similar to 'xwininfo' or such :) |
| 12:45.15 | rip_ | ahh ok sorry, I have no idea :p |
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| 12:50.46 | halley | kaltsi, get xwininfo to work on your tablet, then. |
| 12:50.58 | halley | kaltsi, or, read the source. |
| 12:51.08 | halley | It's likely a spaghetti C abomination. |
| 12:51.20 | kaltsi | halley: I'm reading it |
| 12:51.39 | kaltsi | and xwininfo is not what I'm looking for.. just something similar.. |
| 12:51.47 | kaltsi | gobject dumper or something like that |
| 12:51.59 | kaltsi | but putting printf's all over the code is my next step :) |
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| 12:54.42 | kaltsi | (btw xwininfo is part of the SDK tools so getting it would not be a problem) |
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| 13:02.40 | Segnale007 | hi guys |
| 13:03.12 | Segnale007 | I have tired to set my n800 network static |
| 13:03.14 | Segnale007 | but |
| 13:03.28 | Segnale007 | I get dhcp only |
| 13:03.37 | Segnale007 | I have tired to do this http://pastebin.com/m7a802eb8 |
| 13:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just do it in the GUI? |
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| 13:03.59 | Segnale007 | I have tired also with wlan0 and not eth0 |
| 13:04.03 | Segnale007 | no |
| 13:04.16 | Segnale007 | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:04.24 | Segnale007 | maybe wrong ? |
| 13:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | Right, have you tried in the GUI? |
| 13:04.33 | Segnale007 | no |
| 13:04.35 | Segnale007 | I try |
| 13:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | Connection Manager |
| 13:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | edit the connections |
| 13:04.43 | Segnale007 | ok ty |
| 13:04.48 | Segnale007 | :) |
| 13:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | turn off DHCP and enter the IP. |
| 13:05.04 | rip_ | you need to use the advanced tab to bring up static IP and that |
| 13:05.04 | Segnale007 | kk |
| 13:06.25 | alterego | GPRS is slooow. It's gonna be nice when I get a new phone tomorrow. |
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| 13:08.38 | Segnale007 | uhm |
| 13:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody able to speak to whether DUN is more of a bottleneck than BT? |
| 13:08.59 | Segnale007 | I don't founf nothing for turn off dhcp there |
| 13:09.08 | Segnale007 | what is advanced tab ? |
| 13:09.21 | Segnale007 | *found |
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| 13:10.50 | Segnale007 | what wrong ? |
| 13:11.12 | GeneralAntilles | Connection Manager: Application Menu -> Tools -> Connectivity Settings -> Connections, select your connection -> Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Advanced -> IP Addresses, Uncheck auto-retrieve IP address. |
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| 13:13.54 | Segnale007 | oh |
| 13:14.02 | rip_ | A few clicks I guess ;) |
| 13:14.05 | Segnale007 | I'm asshole |
| 13:14.13 | rip_ | lol |
| 13:14.15 | Segnale007 | I'm sorry and ty |
| 13:14.39 | Segnale007 | I need to check more better before to ask next time |
| 13:14.45 | Segnale007 | sorry about |
| 13:14.47 | rip_ | No need to be sorry ;) thats what IRC is for |
| 13:14.54 | Segnale007 | ty :) |
| 13:15.46 | Segnale007 | but |
| 13:16.10 | Segnale007 | still ty so much ... |
| 13:16.32 | Segnale007 | I gotta go to get launch |
| 13:16.34 | Segnale007 | see ya |
| 13:17.25 | rip_ | catcha |
| 13:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | Russian mission control? |
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| 13:23.54 | pupnik_ | Downcount to offblast! |
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| 13:28.45 | pupnik_ | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-09-18-blind-GPS_x.htm?POE=TECISVA cool. GPS pdas for the blind. |
| 13:29.15 | GeneralAntilles | Suckling from the government teat? :P |
| 13:30.14 | pupnik_ | Yes, it's the #1 customer in Germany. |
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| 13:32.21 | pupnik_ | In fact, if you're not scheming to get money back from the government, or spending over half your time scheming some way of using the innumerable regulations here to your advantage, you're doing it wroang. |
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| 13:45.36 | pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9mNbpabmA How a DPAD (directional pad) should work - easy movement to all 8 cardinal directions, low resistance. |
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| 13:56.33 | Tak | the way ruby's string#split works with subexpressions is making my head explode |
| 13:56.42 | alterego | ;) |
| 13:56.51 | alterego | In a good way right? :D |
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| 13:59.12 | Tak | not really |
| 14:00.09 | Tak | it's completely unuseful (IMO) to insert the subexpression matches into the result |
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| 14:03.08 | alterego | Well, I'm sure it's like that for a reason. |
| 14:03.16 | alterego | Unless it's being deprecated of course ;) |
| 14:04.30 | sp3000 | python's returns groups as well |
| 14:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, there are only 4 cardinal points. ;) |
| 14:05.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:05.06 | sp3000 | the idea surely being that you can split something to things and delimiters and be able to reconstruct it |
| 14:05.16 | Tak | the other four directions are orioles |
| 14:05.16 | alterego | I thought there were 6 cardinal points. |
| 14:05.28 | alterego | Oh, 2D :P |
| 14:05.43 | sp3000 | 1D ftw |
| 14:06.05 | Tak | there are 2D cardinal points |
| 14:06.44 | sp3000 | hmm, they've invented a C64 joystick |
| 14:07.05 | Tak | sp3000: then wouldn't it be more useful to return a list of [token,delimiter] pairs? |
| 14:08.24 | sp3000 | [token,group1,...groupn] rather |
| 14:08.41 | sp3000 | maybe |
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| 14:09.39 | Tak | ah, [token, [delimiter0..n]] then - even better |
| 14:11.57 | sp3000 | item[0] and item[1] vs item[0] item[1:]? naah |
| 14:12.34 | sp3000 | but the sucky thing is you end up with [token],[token],... in the simple case |
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| 14:13.20 | sp3000 | unless you make an exception for that |
| 14:14.58 | Tak | I'm pretty sure the no-subexpression form is already a special case |
| 14:15.53 | sp3000 | not in the format of the output in that sense |
| 14:16.29 | sp3000 | (in the sense that you can explain it without 'or') |
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| 14:20.39 | bstock | hey, i'm running 2007HE on a 770, every time i try to change the language & region from English (UK) to English (US) it says 'device storage memory full. remove data to free memory' but my memory is fine |
| 14:21.01 | bstock | is there a file i can edit from command line to change this setting or something? |
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| 14:21.20 | sp3000 | how much free space do you have ooi? |
| 14:21.46 | lopz | hola |
| 14:21.47 | bstock | internal memory has 8.5 MB used, 30.5MB available |
| 14:22.12 | bstock | i tried to take out my memory card to see if that helped but made no difference (though that card had lots of free space also) |
| 14:23.53 | sp3000 | this product page claims 128M flash which sounds about right; 8 and 30 sounds a bit odd even with the jffs compression |
| 14:24.57 | bstock | i'm on a 770, i think it has 64mb memory |
| 14:25.05 | bstock | there's also 24.8mb of installed applications |
| 14:25.30 | sp3000 | ram |
| 14:25.33 | bstock | but overall, it says 30.5mb available, but throwing that stupid error when trying to change language settings |
| 14:25.40 | sp3000 | flash is another thing |
| 14:26.20 | sp3000 | someone called Kaervak had your issue on 2007-11-18 |
| 14:26.37 | sp3000 | I suppose it may be an 2007he issue and a bogus message, too |
| 14:27.28 | bstock | hmm i see that on the logs, no one had any idea though |
| 14:27.48 | bstock | must be a 2007he bug |
| 14:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | Delete the bundled manuals on the internal flash and maybe try again? |
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| 14:28.45 | bstock | did that already |
| 14:29.06 | bstock | also tried with/without virtual memory |
| 14:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | OK, learn British? :P |
| 14:31.24 | alterego | What's British? :P |
| 14:31.30 | rip_ | Engrish? |
| 14:31.32 | alterego | Wait .. I'm British .. |
| 14:31.51 | fysa | anyone get a bluetooth mouse working with os2008? |
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| 14:32.12 | alterego | A mouse? |
| 14:32.17 | alterego | You're kidding right? |
| 14:32.23 | bstock | lol, no mostly it's fine, just the dates are backwards from what i'm used to |
| 14:32.24 | fysa | why would I ask if I was kidding? |
| 14:32.31 | rip_ | the OS2008 doesn't support mice input |
| 14:32.37 | fysa | XFCE does. |
| 14:32.47 | alterego | Ah |
| 14:33.02 | alterego | XFCE .. |
| 14:33.08 | fysa | mouse would be very helpful to use next to a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 14:33.10 | glass_ | rip_: os2008 different in that regard to previous, so that you can't use 'mouse' with synergy and others? |
| 14:33.24 | alterego | Sure, I can understand the appeal. |
| 14:33.40 | fysa | don't care abouit it for the Hildon interface that much, but when I take this on the road I'd like to try to have a 'laptop mode' |
| 14:33.50 | fysa | so I can do some reasonable coding. |
| 14:34.09 | alterego | Yeah, I get it, if you're using a normal desktop WM you probably need a mouse. |
| 14:34.14 | fysa | anyway, I'll keep tracking |
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| 14:34.19 | alterego | OR at least are more used to it that way. |
| 14:34.31 | rip_ | ahh ok fair enough, |
| 14:36.15 | Rich_dy | Hi. When I attempt to install ukmp, I get dependency errors, saying that I'm missing libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and libreadline4.0. Where can I find these? |
| 14:36.25 | Rich_dy | (this is bora) |
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| 14:36.58 | Tak | libsdl-ttf should be in the extras repo |
| 14:37.10 | Rich_dy | Tak, I don't see it in bora-extras. |
| 14:37.41 | Rich_dy | and I am in red pill mode |
| 14:38.56 | Tak | meh, what's the apt command to show what repo a package is in? |
| 14:39.12 | fysa | I think apt-cache showpkg does |
| 14:39.38 | Tak | there it is, thank you |
| 14:39.54 | Tak | repository.maemo.org bora free |
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| 14:41.14 | Rich_dy | Package: libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 14:42.20 | Rich_dy | tak, how can i make sure i'm pointing at the correct repo? |
| 14:42.34 | Tak | check the repo list in the application manager? |
| 14:43.03 | Tak | if you have the correct repo listed, it should install the dep automatically, even in blue pill mode |
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| 14:46.29 | Rich_dy | okay. i see bora extras and maemo hackers |
| 14:46.32 | Rich_dy | hrmm |
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| 14:48.28 | Rich_dy | ...adding maemo |
| 14:49.02 | Rich_dy | there it is! |
| 14:49.07 | Rich_dy | weird that I wouldn't have that |
| 14:49.08 | Tak | huzzah! |
| 14:50.03 | Rich_dy | the media player was driving me nuts. takes forever to refresh the list |
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| 14:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's so much awesome. ;) |
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| 15:10.09 | rip_ | has anyone tried fowarding X with ssh in Maemo? |
| 15:10.18 | rip_ | I can't seem to get it to work, and wonder if anyone knows why |
| 15:11.12 | pupnik_ | "in maemo"? |
| 15:11.37 | rip_ | yeah OS2007 |
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| 15:11.49 | rip_ | I haven't tried it in OS2008 yet but I am assuming its the same |
| 15:12.22 | rip_ | ok doesn't work in OS2008 either ;) |
| 15:12.24 | pupnik_ | what ssh do you have |
| 15:12.35 | rip_ | openssh-server |
| 15:12.41 | pupnik_ | hm |
| 15:13.08 | rip_ | might have something to do with busybox maybe |
| 15:13.13 | rip_ | I could be grasping at straws :p |
| 15:13.31 | rip_ | just would be nice to foward X from the nokia to my Linux box from time to time |
| 15:16.00 | rip_ | I can foward from my Linux box to the Nokia |
| 15:16.03 | rip_ | but not the other way around |
| 15:16.24 | rip_ | using ssh -X user@host |
| 15:16.42 | pupnik | hm |
| 15:17.16 | pupnik | some xhost problem? |
| 15:17.26 | pupnik | xauth ? |
| 15:19.26 | rip_ | well, I don't really know alot about xauth or xhost |
| 15:19.40 | rip_ | from Linux to Linux its always worked for me ;) |
| 15:22.27 | lopz | bye |
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| 15:31.39 | timeless | hello world |
| 15:32.01 | timeless | in case people are looking for a lesson in bugzilla, bug 339 comment 12 has one |
| 15:34.07 | mgedmin | that's not a url... |
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| 15:47.34 | dpb_ | timeless: wont work if you click comment 13, as there is no 13.. :) |
| 15:47.46 | timeless | it will work eventually |
| 15:48.00 | timeless | a coworker will probably fix the code to use something closer to my suggestion |
| 15:48.14 | timeless | unfortunately at that point, the link i gave won't match my comment, but gah |
| 15:48.46 | timeless | and anyone foolish enough to comment saying "i can't click on comment 13" would look really funny :) |
| 15:49.19 | dpb_ | :P |
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| 15:54.26 | sp3000 | mgedmin: it is if your irc client doesn't suck :) |
| 15:54.50 | sp3000 | (but yes, bots that urlify and summarize are reasonably useful) |
| 15:56.07 | sp3000 | ...The PPP AppleTalk Control Protocol (ATCP)? |
| 15:56.15 | sp3000 | that would be weird |
| 15:56.20 | timeless | heh |
| 15:56.23 | zoran | maybe some bible quotes? |
| 15:56.44 | sp3000 | but cz doesn't linkify the comment n part ;( |
| 15:56.55 | sp3000 | it totally should |
| 15:58.00 | sp3000 | odd, I don't see a bug for that on bmo |
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| 16:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | AppleTalk is funny. |
| 16:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's the only network protocol that you can tell which computers are using it at the router. |
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| 16:09.04 | lophyte | hey all, libmediaplayer0 got removed somehow... is there a way to re-install it? |
| 16:09.08 | lophyte | it doesn't look like its in any repos |
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| 16:29.19 | Screaming | timelyx: Just to put you out of your misery as of 8am-ish Screaming,Not-ScreamingN80 and ScreamingN800(who first saw that the N810 image might work on the N800) are one and the same. |
| 16:30.13 | deejoe | huh? |
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| 16:42.50 | ivanz | Where can I find unison for N800 ? |
| 16:43.56 | lophyte | where can I find libmediaplayer0? it got removed and I can't re-install it... |
| 16:44.00 | ivanz | or rsync? |
| 16:46.02 | timeless | lophyte: gronmayer in the topic. |
| 16:46.54 | ivanz | What;s the root password for ITOS2008 ? |
| 16:47.01 | ivanz | no longer "rootme" ? |
| 16:47.09 | timeless | it's still rootme |
| 16:47.13 | timeless | but you need to have r&d mode enabled |
| 16:47.17 | timeless | or do things some other way |
| 16:47.31 | ivanz | ah correct forgot to enable red pill mode |
| 16:47.46 | timeless | red pill has no relation |
| 16:47.54 | timeless | you could use http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb |
| 16:48.04 | timeless | instead of r&d mode if you want to |
| 16:48.18 | Screaming | pupnik: re X forwarding..maybe something to do with the no-tcp switch when Xomap starts? You wanna nother reboot cycle? |
| 16:48.29 | timeless | libmediaplayer0 is a nokia thing |
| 16:48.36 | timeless | if you manage to delete it, you're mostly out of luck |
| 16:48.43 | timeless | it's not provided in a repository |
| 16:48.56 | timeless | you can imagify your device, reflash, and play some merging games |
| 16:49.22 | timeless | if you're feeling adventurous and have a friend you can try to generate an artificial package |
| 16:49.59 | timeless | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 16:50.06 | timeless | has note on how to make packages from a device... |
| 16:50.39 | timeless | (designed for a different purpose, but, a script's a script) |
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| 16:51.55 | Screaming | timeless: You know that the irclog of this channel kills IT2008 browser in Fit view to width? |
| 16:52.09 | timeless | i so don't care about fit width to view |
| 16:52.22 | timeless | people using it do so at their own discomfort |
| 16:52.23 | hugolp | Since yesterday I cant play flash videos with OS2008, anyone having the same problem? |
| 16:52.39 | timeless | hugolp: flash is probably disabled |
| 16:53.18 | sp3000 | ...maybe |
| 16:53.20 | timeless | ? |
| 16:53.22 | ivanz | timeless: I've just enabled red pill mode but I still can;t ssh with "rootme" |
| 16:53.23 | hugolp | timeless: its marked as its able |
| 16:53.30 | Screaming | Can't blame you. Its useful crap though. |
| 16:53.37 | lophyte | timeless, its not in any of those repos |
| 16:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | [11:47am] <timeless> red pill has no relation |
| 16:53.46 | timeless | lophyte: "it"? |
| 16:53.49 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 16:53.52 | lophyte | libmediaplayer0 |
| 16:54.14 | timeless | ivanz: i said that, and gave you a url for capture-root |
| 16:54.21 | timeless | lophyte: i explained that |
| 16:54.25 | timeless | is everyone ignoring me? |
| 16:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hah, I don't thing they're paying any attention to what you're saying, timeless. ;) |
| 16:54.34 | lophyte | oh I didn't see that |
| 16:54.38 | lophyte | I was looking through gronmayer |
| 16:54.43 | lophyte | sorry |
| 16:55.27 | lophyte | I wasn't reading and thought you were talking to someone else |
| 16:55.50 | timeless | sorry, the url was for ivanz probably |
| 16:55.57 | timeless | rather gronmayer |
| 16:56.00 | timeless | blah, whatever |
| 16:56.09 | sp3000 | timeless: "like fx3" |
| 16:56.11 | lophyte | ah |
| 16:56.18 | timeless | sp3000: ?? |
| 16:56.27 | timeless | sp3000: is that not normal? |
| 16:56.30 | timeless | (default) |
| 16:56.33 | sp3000 | microb w/o fitwidth likes to display pages wider than the screen when zooming |
| 16:56.41 | lophyte | s'pose I have to reflash my n800 |
| 16:57.17 | sp3000 | when normal wrapping would do |
| 16:57.29 | timeless | oh |
| 16:57.29 | timeless | i think there's a pref for that |
| 16:57.33 | sp3000 | that has its drawbacks, but I'm fairly sure I prefer it to pure paper zoom |
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| 16:58.06 | sp3000 | (and to fitwidth, but I usually end up with fitwidth, feel my pain) |
| 16:58.34 | sp3000 | yes fitwidth is kinda hardcore for 800px, imo |
| 16:59.06 | sp3000 | my desktop browser windows are usually about 800px wide and they do fine :) |
| 16:59.26 | timeless | sp3000: about:config?sprefname=zoom |
| 16:59.26 | Screaming | sp3000 I feel, it, I feel it. Hence the nick |
| 17:00.02 | timeless | i think you want to twiddle the true.zoom pref |
| 17:00.25 | timeless | sp3000: documenting this somewhere useful would be good |
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| 17:01.27 | timeless | i suppose you could spell out the full pref name :) |
| 17:01.32 | timeless | but only do that after you test :) |
| 17:01.33 | sp3000 | but, yeah, as much as I like to avoid organizing things too much, that may be pushing it ;) |
| 17:02.06 | timeless | remind me tomorrow morning to yell at whomever is holding back my documentation release |
| 17:02.12 | timeless | ok |
| 17:02.18 | timeless | could someone please explain the point of autoconf? |
| 17:02.22 | timeless | rsync requires autoconf |
| 17:02.26 | timeless | autoconf requires m4 |
| 17:02.33 | timeless | i got those requirements and ran configure |
| 17:02.36 | timeless | that passed |
| 17:02.39 | ivanz | ok the .deb fails to install |
| 17:02.43 | timeless | then i built, and it failed because |
| 17:02.44 | ivanz | with the application manager |
| 17:02.52 | timeless | ivanz: right, you need to read the description |
| 17:03.00 | ivanz | what description ? |
| 17:03.02 | timeless | or the log message (tools>log) |
| 17:03.13 | timeless | when you install a deb it has a details button w/ a description tab |
| 17:03.21 | timeless | you really shouldn't install debs w/o reading about them |
| 17:03.26 | ivanz | right it says that /home/user/.ssh must exist in order for it to work |
| 17:03.32 | ivanz | and it does |
| 17:03.51 | timeless | hrm it says that? it should say there should be an authorized_keys in that directory :o |
| 17:03.58 | sp3000 | it could create the key if it's missing, right? |
| 17:04.08 | ivanz | it says something inconsistent |
| 17:04.13 | timeless | yeah, but czr argued against that |
| 17:04.14 | sp3000 | there should be a id_*.pub I think |
| 17:04.16 | timeless | i wanted that behavior |
| 17:04.27 | ivanz | "at least one of /home/user.ssh/ or /home/user.ssh/ must exist" |
| 17:04.36 | ivanz | *user/.ssh |
| 17:04.48 | timeless | he said "beware of exploits that enable people to retrieve ~/.ssh/identity |
| 17:05.05 | timeless | ivanz: ok, sorry, read the description while i fix the package :) |
| 17:05.28 | ivanz | so I have to put my public key in order to login ? |
| 17:05.38 | ivanz | is that how this works? |
| 17:05.42 | timeless | yep |
| 17:05.53 | timeless | it's "simple" but it works relatively well |
| 17:06.05 | ivanz | rsa or dsa? |
| 17:06.09 | ivanz | or does it not matter |
| 17:06.09 | timeless | it doesn't care |
| 17:06.12 | ivanz | ok |
| 17:06.27 | timeless | it's just copying the file from ~/.ssh to ~root/.ssh/ |
| 17:06.33 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 17:06.39 | timeless | which is something you can't do w/o root |
| 17:06.52 | timeless | i could let you have the file in ~/MyDocs instead of just ~/.ssh/ |
| 17:06.56 | timeless | would that help? |
| 17:07.06 | timeless | if i did that, you could have the file on your desktop |
| 17:07.12 | ivanz | no |
| 17:07.26 | ivanz | it;s consistent to keep your keys in .ssh |
| 17:08.08 | ivanz | but then again there is this issue with getting the key on the device |
| 17:08.19 | timeless | usb, bt send, https |
| 17:08.20 | timeless | http |
| 17:08.25 | timeless | i've used bt send |
| 17:08.34 | timeless | i've also used ssh-keygen -t rsa on the device |
| 17:08.37 | ivanz | i used http :) |
| 17:08.43 | timeless | kinda depends on your needs/goals/trusts |
| 17:09.28 | timeless | ok, newer package uploaded |
| 17:09.52 | timeless | except, it's buggy :( |
| 17:10.08 | sp3000 | oh, crap, I think I'm loading about:config at max zoom fitwidth |
| 17:10.23 | pupnik | heh |
| 17:10.41 | pupnik | there has to be a good ffmpeg package for .deb out there that's not patent-crippled |
| 17:10.50 | timeless | sp3000: you want to use sprefname urls where possible, i really should consider making the setpref page force an sprefname |
| 17:11.09 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.18 | timeless | that line was added to postinst |
| 17:11.25 | timeless | ivanz: thanks for being a tester :) |
| 17:11.34 | ivanz | np |
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| 17:14.42 | lophyte | hrm.. |
| 17:14.51 | lophyte | could I pull the libs out manually from rootfs.jffs2? |
| 17:15.10 | timeless | if you can read jffs2, yeah |
| 17:15.21 | timeless | the script in my url would probably be vaguely helpful, maybe :) |
| 17:15.31 | lophyte | I'll take a look |
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| 17:15.41 | lophyte | I almost have it, except I'm getting "no space left on device" problems |
| 17:15.44 | timeless | since you really want to resurrect and reinstall the package instead of just having the file |
| 17:16.09 | lophyte | yeah, you're right |
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| 17:17.38 | lophyte | that assumes I can access jffs properly... |
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| 17:18.10 | lophyte | which I can't seem to on my pc |
| 17:18.43 | lophyte | you can't mount a jffs image with loopback, but even using mtdblock kernel modules its not working.. |
| 17:18.51 | lophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.51 | lophyte | dd: writing to `/dev/mtd0': No space left on device |
| 17:20.11 | lophyte | re-flashing the device is probably easier... |
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| 17:23.26 | sp3000 | timeless: layout.full.true.zoom.mode true -> false works but doesn't seem to persist |
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| 17:28.30 | sp3000 | grumble :( |
| 17:28.36 | sp3000 | it resets it on startup |
| 17:33.03 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2487 |
| 17:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Now that just makes me laugh. |
| 17:33.54 | pupnik | https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158461 VIVE: An ffmpeg GUI for video encoding. Supports DVD and files and converts to all formats allowed by ffmpeg, including the iPod, PSP, and other popular formats. |
| 17:37.10 | sp3000 | but I think I rather like this mode better than the two we ship :) |
| 17:42.47 | bstock | anyone know a good online store with the n810 in stock in US? |
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| 17:45.54 | lardman | C help needed |
| 17:46.05 | lardman | error: expression must be a pointer to a complete object type |
| 17:46.12 | lardman | void ptr = (s->q_val + entry s->q_pack); |
| 17:46.23 | lardman | void ptr = (s->q_val + entry s->q_pack); |
| 17:46.28 | lardman | hmm, markup |
| 17:46.57 | lardman | void <asterisk>ptr = (s->q_val + entry <asterisk> s->q_pack); |
| 17:47.04 | lardman | any ideas? |
| 17:47.27 | elb | you can't declare a variable of type void |
| 17:47.32 | elb | perhaps you mean void *ptr |
| 17:47.52 | elb | oh, that's what you mean by <asterisk> |
| 17:48.38 | derf | You can't do arithmetic on void pointers. |
| 17:48.46 | elb | is s->q_val an incomplete type? |
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| 17:49.12 | elb | (that is, either an object of unknown size declared as a pointer for storage of some library-internal state, or a void *) |
| 17:49.24 | Guest12031 | w |
| 17:49.41 | lardman | derf: ah, I see |
| 17:49.57 | lardman | elb: I don't know what an incomplete type is |
| 17:50.06 | elb | I explained that in the parenthetical |
| 17:50.26 | lardman | oops, let me read that, was called to the kitchen to chop an onion |
| 17:51.06 | lardman | so the answer is, quite possibly |
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| 17:51.29 | lardman | presumbly I should cast them to something other than void to allow the arithmetic? |
| 17:51.33 | elb | what are you actually trying to compute? |
| 17:51.42 | elb | is s->q_val actually the head of an array? |
| 17:51.47 | timeless | sp300: ping |
| 17:51.50 | timeless | sp3000: ping |
| 17:51.53 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/chinook/extensions/ |
| 17:51.57 | lardman | elb: I have't the faintest idea, deep in codebook.c for tremor lowmem no-byte |
| 17:52.01 | timeless | should i intentionally drop pieces from pool? |
| 17:52.05 | elb | if so, and you know the type that it contains, cast s->q_val to a pointer to that type |
| 17:52.29 | elb | oh ... let me suggest not doing pointer math on objects you don't understand ;-) |
| 17:52.34 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/bora/extensions/ |
| 17:52.39 | timeless | being a much worse example |
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| 17:54.45 | derf | lardman: Oh, you should've said so. |
| 17:55.05 | lardman | elb: I agree with your thinking, I thought it might just have been a peculiarity of the dsp compiler |
| 17:55.11 | lardman | derf: sorry |
| 17:55.14 | derf | Reading the code, you should just move the ptr assignment inside the subsequent if's. |
| 17:55.31 | sp3000 | timeless: I'm not sure I follow |
| 17:55.47 | sp3000 | but pools are mostly slightly hard-to-index stuff |
| 17:55.54 | timeless | sp3000: basically, if i index pool |
| 17:56.05 | timeless | then you'll get lots of useless hits |
| 17:56.09 | timeless | basically garabge |
| 17:56.09 | derf | Drop the s->q_pack multiple and cast things to the actual type they are. |
| 17:56.50 | sp3000 | the .dscs could be some flavor of helpful, maybe |
| 17:56.56 | lardman | derf: ok, let me have a look at that |
| 17:57.09 | timeless | ? |
| 17:57.10 | sp3000 | do you want a filename exclude rather? |
| 17:57.27 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/bora/extensions/ |
| 17:57.31 | timeless | consider that |
| 17:57.37 | timeless | ideally, i'd only have 2 files in the entire dir |
| 17:57.46 | derf | lardman: I mean, if you look at case 2: above that, the meaning of what they _actually_ meant to do should become pretty clear. |
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| 17:59.57 | lopz | hola |
| 18:01.00 | sp3000 | I don't have your upstream urls mapped |
| 18:01.28 | derf | gcc lets you do arithmetic on void *'s as if they were char *'s, despite the fact that it is illegal. I have no idea what happens when you do that on a machine without an 8-bit char, and apparently neither does your compiler. |
| 18:02.56 | timeless | ? |
| 18:03.02 | timeless | sp3000: ok, next problem |
| 18:03.06 | timeless | i'm trying to use rsync |
| 18:03.10 | timeless | and i need to make sure it's "niced" |
| 18:03.12 | timeless | ideas? ":) |
| 18:03.12 | lardman | it worries me that the code, although supposed to be nobyte, has two different paths with either (unsigned char *) or (ogg_uint16_t *) |
| 18:03.41 | lardman | both of which are the same with no 8bit bytes |
| 18:04.29 | lardman | unless it decides at runtime: if(s->q_bits<=8) |
| 18:06.15 | lardman | I just cast s->q_val as (unsigned char *) |
| 18:07.04 | timeless | sent 127402662 bytes received 107782 bytes 201597.54 bytes/sec |
| 18:07.04 | timeless | total size is 198766205 speedup is 1.56 |
| 18:07.14 | timeless | that's how expensive adding browser-extras was |
| 18:07.17 | sp3000 | timeless: at the other end? no... unless you can limit the user at the other end, or do some daemon dance that I knw nothing about |
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| 18:07.51 | timeless | sp3000: i'm wondering if i can use --rsync-path |
| 18:07.56 | timeless | maybe something like |
| 18:08.06 | sp3000 | possibly |
| 18:08.06 | timeless | --rsync-path="nice -n 19 bin/rsync" |
| 18:09.02 | lardman | this compiler obviously doesn't like void* -> lots of errors caused by trying to cast a value of type "int" cannot be assigned to an entity of type "ogg_uint16_t *" |
| 18:09.13 | lardman | so presumably it assumes void=int |
| 18:09.20 | sp3000 | yeah, the manpage examples sound like that might be possible |
| 18:09.44 | sp3000 | or, pretty surely is, since there are shelly things in the example strings |
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| 18:15.32 | timeless | it's burried near -e ... |
| 18:15.49 | timeless | sadly it does have the word "remote" in the help too |
| 18:17.17 | timeless | gah, blizzard gave me homework |
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| 18:45.20 | derf | lardman: That's why I think casting q_val as (unsigned char *) is the _wrong_ thing to do. |
| 18:46.22 | derf | The right thing is not to multiply by s->q_pack, but to cast to the correct pointer type in each of the branches. |
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| 18:48.41 | derf | Anyway, you should post a log of the errors. |
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| 19:19.44 | Tak | that would just produce a constant. |
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| 19:24.34 | sven-tek2 | hi! does anyone here user v4l2 with os2008? I tried using motion-3.2.9 with it, but it does not work. Something seems to have changed in kernel/camera-driver. |
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| 19:39.10 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 19:44.57 | lardman | hmm, it appears to have successfully compiled |
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| 19:45.03 | lardman | step one complete... |
| 19:46.24 | Tak | If it compiles, it's done. Any other problems are user error. |
| 19:46.31 | lardman | lol |
| 19:46.33 | lardman | we'll see |
| 19:46.37 | lardman | step 2 is pub |
| 19:46.42 | lardman | step 3 is testing |
| 19:46.50 | lardman | onto step 2, see you all a bit later |
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| 20:24.02 | cbx33 | hey alterego |
| 20:24.09 | cbx33 | that £1 for a day browsing |
| 20:24.14 | cbx33 | limited to 30Mb |
| 20:24.43 | alterego | cbx33, yeah I know. |
| 20:24.50 | cbx33 | :( |
| 20:24.53 | alterego | You think you'll use over 30M ? |
| 20:25.12 | alterego | I used it yesterday loads and I only got to 4M |
| 20:25.18 | cbx33 | really |
| 20:25.20 | cbx33 | doing what? |
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| 20:25.39 | alterego | Browsing, IM, Mail |
| 20:25.57 | cbx33 | how did you measure it? |
| 20:25.57 | alterego | Oh, and SSH |
| 20:26.09 | alterego | The connection manager shows data counters. |
| 20:26.15 | cbx33 | ahhh |
| 20:26.34 | alterego | Would be a lot better with EDGE though. |
| 20:26.43 | alterego | I was only using GPRS (slow as hell) |
| 20:27.02 | alterego | So I'm gonna buy a new phone tomorrow or Thursday :) |
| 20:27.37 | cbx33 | cool |
| 20:27.45 | cbx33 | 3G? |
| 20:27.58 | alterego | Yes & no, no video calling. |
| 20:28.02 | alterego | It's a Nokia 7300 |
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| 20:29.08 | cbx33 | cool |
| 20:29.19 | cbx33 | is that a payg sim? |
| 20:29.39 | alterego | Yeah, it's cheap. |
| 20:29.49 | alterego | Quite a nice phone for the price though |
| 20:30.00 | alterego | ~80 GBP |
| 20:30.06 | cbx33 | did you ring them up this morning? |
| 20:30.17 | alterego | No, I'm not going to buy it from Orange. |
| 20:30.29 | cbx33 | no for the £1 bundle |
| 20:30.31 | alterego | I want it unlocked. |
| 20:30.45 | alterego | No, I've been at home all day so I've not needed to. |
| 20:31.25 | cbx33 | so how did you activate the bundle? |
| 20:31.49 | alterego | That was yesterday |
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| 20:32.18 | alterego | I rang up 450, and followed the automatic instructions. |
| 20:32.24 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:32.32 | alterego | Basically choosing the right menu options. |
| 20:32.33 | cbx33 | i thught it only activated it for that day though? |
| 20:32.40 | alterego | It does. |
| 20:32.52 | alterego | It works for 24 hours. |
| 20:33.05 | alterego | Then you have to do it again if you want if for the next day. |
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| 20:35.30 | timeless | GeneralAntilles: that fmradio thing is a bug in the program listing data for the region? |
| 20:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have a damn clue. |
| 20:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | Were you able to interpret the description? |
| 20:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm less inclined to believe it's a problem with the program than with the person. ;) |
| 20:36.44 | timeless | that is my interpretation |
| 20:36.54 | timeless | there's a channel list that the app can download |
| 20:37.03 | timeless | if it has the wrong frequency listed for a station |
| 20:37.09 | timeless | you'd get a user w/ that reaction |
| 20:37.16 | timeless | at least, istr one |
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| 20:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | I guess you could compare the frequency listed on the station's website with the one the applet shows. |
| 20:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | Where does Nokia pull the station data from? |
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| 20:53.11 | K`zan | Anyone got a pointer where I can possibly figure out why every time I find an open WIFI hotspot and try to connect to it, the n800 tries for a bit and returns a network error? |
| 20:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | MAC address filtering? |
| 20:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | Low signal? |
| 20:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Shitty router? |
| 20:53.58 | K`zan | Low signal might be it. possible... |
| 20:54.28 | alterego | Low transmission power too .. |
| 20:54.37 | K`zan | One might think that if the signal is too low to connect to, it wouldn't be listed. My only real experience is with the router about 5 |
| 20:54.43 | K`zan | ' from the n800 :). |
| 20:54.49 | alterego | If not already at 100mw try setting it to that. |
| 20:55.14 | K`zan | Sset at 100mW. It would be nice to be able to set that on a per-connection basis - sure don't need 100mW here. |
| 20:55.16 | alterego | I've successfully connected to AP's ~100M away |
| 20:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, some of it might be blamed on the N800 seeing the router, but the router not hearing the N800. |
| 20:55.50 | K`zan | Dunno, suspect there are a number of issues involved here but with just the bars, it is hard to diagnose. |
| 20:56.01 | K`zan | Not to mention my ignorance of the subject :-(. |
| 20:57.26 | K`zan | Unf no open sites within my range here. Using the "Site Survey" off the tomato firmware gives me a pretty good idea of what is going on though. |
| 20:58.06 | amr | anyone here got an Asus EEE pc? |
| 20:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | Really, K`zan, you need AT&T and a 3G phone. ;) |
| 20:58.33 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Got both and can't afford to use it :-/. |
| 20:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | $20/mo? |
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| 20:58.48 | K`zan | AT&T really rapes you for using it. |
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| 20:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | (stupid damn Colloquy wont give up focus >:() |
| 20:59.27 | K`zan | I looked at the wireless rates and nothing around $20 that I found, but even that seems excessive :-/. |
| 20:59.46 | K`zan | Will go take another peek. |
| 21:00.56 | jeff1f | $20 will get you unofficial tethering |
| 21:01.17 | jeff1f | $60 is the official rate |
| 21:01.38 | fysa | through where? |
| 21:02.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm using the unofficial plan. |
| 21:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Works great. |
| 21:02.36 | jeff1f | at&t |
| 21:02.46 | fysa | ah |
| 21:04.17 | jeff1f | did you have to change any settings, GeneralAntilles |
| 21:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | isp -> wap |
| 21:05.54 | fysa | VBA/GBA emu working for OS2008 yet? |
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| 21:09.14 | alterego | Cool, azureus tunned through SSH. :) |
| 21:09.22 | alterego | ~tunnelled :) |
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| 21:14.21 | timeless | dunno, i suppose i could look.... |
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| 21:28.48 | K`zan | BT Keyboard and BT GPS will hopefully be here by the end of the week! |
| 21:28.56 | guerby | hi, is there a way to see what proxy microb is currently using? |
| 21:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | Woo. |
| 21:29.00 | guerby | on OS2008 |
| 21:29.02 | K`zan | :-) |
| 21:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn, I'm installing Perl modules and for some reason one of them needed to test the text-to-speech. |
| 21:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | Scarred the bejesus out of me. |
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| 21:31.03 | K`zan | Ah, meant to ask where one finds flite for maemo mapper? |
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| 21:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think the package is working under OS2008. |
| 21:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | But it's probably linked on Gnuite's website if you want to give it a go. |
| 21:32.36 | K`zan | Ah, ok, thanks. Still wondering if going to 2008 was the wise thing to do :-/. |
| 21:32.49 | p| | re |
| 21:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, it's the future. |
| 21:33.08 | K`zan | I wonder how many apps are really out there for 2008. Finding them is exciting. |
| 21:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | Now or in 2 weeks. |
| 21:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't really matter. :P |
| 21:33.23 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Unfortunately I live in the present :). |
| 21:33.26 | K`zan | LOL |
| 21:34.16 | K`zan | From 30 to 55 apps for it in a very few days, not shabby :-). |
| 21:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, have you tried mmpc? |
| 21:34.37 | K`zan | Figuring out what they are from the 2008 downloads is a bit challenging though. |
| 21:34.40 | K`zan | mmpc ?!? |
| 21:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just install all the repos and use the app manager. |
| 21:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Media Player Client. |
| 21:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's fantastical for music playback. |
| 21:38.11 | maddler | evening |
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| 22:23.02 | sp3000 | timeless: so yeah, I have a bookmark for starting the browser now |
| 22:23.32 | sp3000 | it starts with about and ends with false :) |
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| 22:33.05 | halley | sp3000, and what's in the middle? |
| 22:34.29 | sp3000 | :config?sprefname=zoom&prefname=layout.full.true.zoom.mode&prefvalue= |
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| 22:35.07 | Segnale007 | hi guys |
| 22:35.15 | Segnale007 | I have a question |
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| 22:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid, bitch ITT. |
| 22:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | *+y |
| 22:35.45 | Segnale007 | Can I install xfce on my n800 with running os2008 ? |
| 22:36.01 | Segnale007 | because, I have some problem when I trying to install it |
| 22:36.20 | Segnale007 | problem about kernel I guess .. |
| 22:36.36 | Segnale007 | hi GeneralAntilles |
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| 22:37.13 | GeneralAntilles | xfce is out of my expertise. :) |
| 22:37.52 | dragorn | xfce the window manager? I think you have to build a custom fw to get something like that going |
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| 22:38.02 | dragorn | but it's plausible that I'm incorrect |
| 22:38.10 | Segnale007 | uhm |
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| 22:38.38 | Segnale007 | I don't know |
| 22:38.41 | dragorn | I haven't seen any WM replacement stuff as packages on top of the maemo builds |
| 22:38.44 | Segnale007 | I wanna install it or kde |
| 22:39.01 | Segnale007 | yah .. it's true |
| 22:39.40 | Segnale007 | have u tried to install some wm on ur tablet pc ? |
| 22:40.00 | Segnale007 | sorry my lang so poor :( |
| 22:40.02 | fysa | XFCE 'pack' is posted to the forums |
| 22:40.10 | Segnale007 | I know |
| 22:40.18 | Segnale007 | just tired to install it |
| 22:40.44 | Segnale007 | but, I have got some error |
| 22:40.48 | Segnale007 | *errors |
| 22:40.57 | Segnale007 | about mount loop |
| 22:41.12 | Segnale007 | someone bitch .. I have lose the logs |
| 22:41.14 | Segnale007 | :/ |
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| 22:41.30 | Segnale007 | after I will paste this |
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| 22:46.26 | fadec | does anyone have experience running scratchbox on a non-debian based OS? Trying to build on archlinux. |
| 22:47.21 | Segnale007 | arch is a nice distro |
| 22:47.27 | Segnale007 | more better debian based |
| 22:47.38 | Segnale007 | I wanna try it on my n800 |
| 22:47.48 | Segnale007 | somebody do this .. |
| 22:47.50 | Segnale007 | gh |
| 22:48.43 | dragorn | fadec: my experiences in the past were negative |
| 22:49.06 | dragorn | fadec: to the point that I just threw vmware server on a big box and ran sb on ubuntu in a vm |
| 22:49.38 | fadec | hmm - vmware is a possibility |
| 22:50.16 | dragorn | also, I'm a paranoid SOB and didn't really want sb weirdness bindmounting all over my system |
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| 22:50.33 | fadec | I've changed a few things in the build script for scratchbox to try and make it work but I wonder if it's going to be futile. |
| 22:50.34 | dragorn | not that their methods aren't neat, I'm just happier with it locked in it's own vm :) |
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| 22:51.25 | fadec | it's a good idea to lock it away - I had it on ubuntu before and I didn't really know what it was doing to my system. Still - everything appeared to be in the /scratchbox dir. |
| 22:51.58 | dragorn | it is, for the most part, I'm just over-paranoid. |
| 22:52.17 | dragorn | and it didn't work for me under gentoo w/in my time limit for being willing to mess around anyhow |
| 22:53.49 | fadec | I find it strange they limit it to debian but then I don't know much about it. Thanks for the VM idea. Nice chatting. |
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| 23:06.25 | hozano | Hi folks. Can somebody help me about python-evas ? |
| 23:16.31 | Mikho | why does it seem learning autotools is the most difficult and confusing programming subject I've encountered so far |
| 23:17.18 | Segnale007 | guys |
| 23:17.25 | elb | because autotools are not so much a coherent programming experience, as an ad-hoc pile of macros that work Just Well Enough |
| 23:17.32 | Segnale007 | when I try to install xfce |
| 23:17.40 | Segnale007 | I get this errors |
| 23:17.41 | Segnale007 | mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /usr/local failed |
| 23:17.41 | Segnale007 | MOUNTING FAILED, UH OH, SOMETHINGS WRONG |
| 23:17.41 | Segnale007 | Press Enter |
| 23:17.41 | Segnale007 | ./mmc2menu.sh: line 57: clear: not found |
| 23:17.44 | wumpus | Mikho: agreed |
| 23:17.44 | Mikho | elb, I think you're right |
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| 23:18.00 | Segnale007 | what wrong ? |
| 23:18.34 | wumpus | it's a lot of work especially if you need special things, like a compiler that is not automatically supported by automake, or a library that doesn't have it's own m4 macros, etc.. |
| 23:18.46 | wumpus | but even the base autotools is a nightmare :) |
| 23:18.52 | wumpus | lol celesteh |
| 23:19.42 | Segnale007 | anybody have some idea ? |
| 23:19.52 | Segnale007 | I just use os2008 |
| 23:19.58 | Segnale007 | maybe the problem is it ? |
| 23:20.04 | Segnale007 | or me ? lol |
| 23:20.35 | Mikho | I wanted to use 3rd party software, with ready written basic Makefiles without autotools. Included the directories with SUBDIRS command, which worked well enough until I tried to create a debian package of the whole thing. Complained something about can't make target distdir or sth |
| 23:21.06 | celesteh | wumpus: http://david.jensenius.org/?p=16 |
| 23:21.10 | Mikho | after half an hour of googling resolved the problem by using nodist_SUBDIRS instead of SUBDIRS |
| 23:21.59 | Mikho | I wonder how many specifically recognized prefixes/suffixes there are in autotools |
| 23:24.05 | halley | Man, I hate it when someone's on ignore, but they actually log in from several different hosts. |
| 23:26.23 | zerojay | halley: Can't you ignore , say.. username!name@* ? |
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| 23:28.23 | halley | This one uses the same nick, but some use foo|work, foo|home variants. This one does not use the same ident. |
| 23:29.04 | halley | Most clients make it easy to ignore *!foo*@*.foohost.net but it's still annoying to do it twice. |
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| 23:39.29 | Mikho | I'm including some files in the deb package with 'dist_<filename>_DATA' command in a Makefile.am file. How can I make it appear with executable permissions when the deb package is installed? |
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| 23:41.23 | lardman | that question flies far over lardman's head |
| 23:41.40 | halley | And yet, you feel compelled to comment. |
| 23:42.14 | lardman | merely to make sure he realises there are actually people listening, and that his question is difficult |
| 23:43.00 | Mikho | I'm almost there. I can get the file to install properly from the package, but I want it marked as an executable |
| 23:43.14 | Mikho | a simple chmod command would do the trick |
