| 00:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | shacka1, yes. |
| 00:00.44 | shacka1 | GeneralAntilles: awesome :D |
| 00:03.04 | lardman | gcc passes parameters in registers doesn't it for ARM? |
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| 00:04.17 | shacka1 | lardman, yes afaik, the first four parameters at least, the rest goes on the stack |
| 00:04.40 | hugolp | anyone here got maemomythtv working? |
| 00:04.44 | lardman | hmm, /me is confused |
| 00:05.02 | shacka1 | lardman, notice the "afaik" :) |
| 00:05.11 | shacka1 | lardman, why ? |
| 00:05.15 | lardman | shacka1: well that's what I thought too |
| 00:05.34 | shacka1 | but? |
| 00:06.15 | lardman | shacka1: create_proc_entry() should take 3 params: const char *name, mode_t mode,struct proc_dir_entry *parent |
| 00:07.06 | lardman | but, R0=pointer to name, R1=pointer to label in different function (ie. to code as in a goto) and R2=short int value |
| 00:07.12 | shacka1 | ah, you're reversing the driver? |
| 00:07.21 | lardman | who, me, no, never |
| 00:07.24 | lardman | :) |
| 00:07.28 | shacka1 | oops |
| 00:07.30 | shacka1 | anyway.. |
| 00:07.51 | shacka1 | weird |
| 00:08.29 | lardman | yeah, and the label pointer is half way through another function, i.e no entry register shifting is done, etc. |
| 00:09.31 | shacka1 | why is lxr.linux.no so slow today? :( |
| 00:11.54 | lardman | hmm, struct proc_dir_entry is a rather large struct too, I wonder where that's hiding |
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| 00:13.23 | shacka1 | lardman, no idea if the prototype has changed in the meantime ? (unlikely tough, in that case the kernel should crash and burn) |
| 00:14.13 | shacka1 | I also remember you renamed some symbols |
| 00:14.13 | lardman | no, I've got the correct kernel source version and it's the same |
| 00:14.41 | lardman | shacka1: renamed symbols were *pci*, so nothing to do with this (or indeed anything that's called afaict) |
| 00:15.00 | shacka1 | mm, right, reading the mail right now |
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| 00:17.11 | shacka1 | lardman, regardless where the parameters actually are, maybe the call fails because the driver somehow picks the wrong parent node ? |
| 00:17.37 | lardman | yes, I'm trying to work out why the driver loads but then doesn't create any proc entries |
| 00:18.01 | lardman | trying to work through the functions as they're called and see what might be causing an issue, etc. |
| 00:18.25 | shacka1 | sir, you do have a lot of patience :) |
| 00:19.13 | lardman | well the failure happens early on, the init function should register the proc files.... |
| 00:19.43 | lardman | something to keep the little grey cells ticking over :) |
| 00:20.02 | pupnik | Poirot |
| 00:21.31 | lardman | I fear the little grey cells are all ticked out for this evening though |
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| 00:21.59 | shacka1 | haha :) |
| 00:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, if you manage to get something workable out of this, you will forever be in the hearts and minds of the NIT community. :) |
| 00:23.08 | lardman | we'll see, this is rather a large chunk I've bitten off |
| 00:23.36 | shacka1 | lardman, it's the MontaVista Linux v2.6 SDK for OMAP2430 ? |
| 00:23.49 | lardman | no, the open source one |
| 00:23.54 | lardman | but on the same page |
| 00:24.04 | shacka1 | oh, ok |
| 00:24.06 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4TgYkqdi8 Ok offtopic but amazing - Lydia Kavina playing a theremin |
| 00:24.08 | lardman | and for the omap2430 too, which may or may not be an issue |
| 00:24.12 | shacka1 | I tought that one only had kernel sources |
| 00:24.22 | lardman | if only :) |
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| 00:24.42 | shacka1 | grrrr, ti wants my email |
| 00:24.43 | skiburr | hello |
| 00:25.00 | fysa | Tak: is XMaeme your project? |
| 00:25.25 | lardman | shacka1: I've not had any spam that I know of, just the occasional "are you still you and do you still use this email address" |
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| 00:25.58 | fysa | Tak: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4573&page=2 |
| 00:30.20 | lardman | night chaps, see you on the morrow |
| 00:31.14 | pupnik | what's up with that fysa |
| 00:31.16 | skiburr | is there support for pygame libraries for Python? |
| 00:31.24 | pupnik | i think so |
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| 00:51.27 | doc|home | I just applied a boxwave screen protector. Must have taken me about 6-8 attempts |
| 00:51.52 | doc|home | only time it worked without any lint or dust was when I put it on practically wet, just shaken dry quickly |
| 00:52.04 | doc|home | but is now almost invisible |
| 00:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a pain to apply |
| 00:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | but they stay on |
| 00:53.54 | doc|home | seems to be lifting a little at the edge but hopefully that'll go away over time |
| 00:54.33 | doc|home | touchscreen is way more responsive than the stock one is |
| 00:54.49 | doc|home | er, than when the stock one was on |
| 00:55.47 | halley | skiburr, if you install the python2.5-dev, it includes pygame. |
| 00:55.49 | doc|home | halley: sometimes dust gets stuck between the stylus and the screen and is what scratches my one |
| 00:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Because A. They reduce glare by a lot. |
| 00:56.07 | doc|home | I clean it constantly but it happens a *lot* |
| 00:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | and B. After a year of use without a screen protector, my 770 was noticeably scratched. |
| 00:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm not uncareful about dust and dirt. |
| 00:56.33 | halley | After a year of use of a 770, an 800 or 810 is available. ;) |
| 00:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Then we get back to point A. |
| 00:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | glare reduction |
| 00:57.32 | doc|home | sure, but if a 770 does what you want, a 12 dollar screen protector is a better option than a 500 dollar piece of kit :) |
| 00:57.59 | fysa | pupnik: new Game Boy Advance emulator that compiles/runs |
| 00:58.11 | fysa | maybe not GBA |
| 00:58.14 | fysa | but at least GB/GB:C |
| 00:58.18 | fysa | let me double check |
| 00:59.18 | fysa | no GBA |
| 00:59.20 | fysa | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=203791 |
| 01:07.41 | lle2 | doc|home: you seem to have mentioned the words "stock one" in reference to screen protectors |
| 01:07.49 | lle2 | there is no stock screen protector |
| 01:07.55 | lle2 | you're supposed to remove it |
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| 01:09.28 | lle2 | The only display that has been genuinely scratched that I've seen was subjected to serious amounts of sand, a screw driver and deliberate attempts of making the device suffer |
| 01:09.30 | timelyx | lmoura: it doesn't install on my 2.2006.39-14 device |
| 01:09.51 | timelyx | (sorry, got lost in scrollback) |
| 01:10.01 | l7 | anyone know how to make osso xterm open urls in the same browser window instead of opening a new one? |
| 01:11.01 | timelyx | hugolp: sorry, my humor is ironic usually, i'm often quite serious |
| 01:20.56 | GeneralAntilles | lle2, it's a screen protector, however bad its quality may be. |
| 01:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | I used it for 6 months on my N800. :) |
| 01:21.41 | lle2 | I think this has been discussed here before ;) |
| 01:23.20 | lle2 | completely unrelated: I got a lua scriptable argv[] and envp[] mangling framework in sb2 |
| 01:23.54 | lle2 | now it's possible to not only control where a process gets its files, but what it will get as its argv and environ |
| 01:24.14 | timelyx | including file 0, 1 and 2? :) |
| 01:24.17 | EnderTheThird | Anyone know if gmythstream is available for 64bit? |
| 01:24.26 | lle2 | timelyx: not those, yet |
| 01:24.36 | timelyx | lle2: glad to be a trouble maker |
| 01:24.42 | timelyx | lle2: how's sb2 on osx doing? |
| 01:24.45 | timelyx | (or solaris) |
| 01:24.50 | lle2 | timelyx: really bad |
| 01:25.11 | lle2 | I'm having monumental difficulties in understanding how I'm supposed to link shared libraries there |
| 01:25.37 | timelyx | ? |
| 01:25.42 | timelyx | cross ld |
| 01:25.42 | lle2 | and as I totally gave up on the macbook pro as a development environment, it's not much of a priority |
| 01:25.52 | timelyx | what's the problem? |
| 01:25.53 | lle2 | I can't compile sb2 |
| 01:25.57 | lle2 | or I can |
| 01:26.04 | lle2 | but it doesn't turn out the way it should |
| 01:26.30 | timelyx | care to be more specific? |
| 01:26.33 | lle2 | no |
| 01:26.35 | lle2 | ;) |
| 01:26.59 | doc|home | lle2: if it comes included, and it protects the screen, to me that seems like a stock screen protector, however temporary :) |
| 01:27.24 | timelyx | doc|home: have you seen the one on the n810? |
| 01:27.27 | lle2 | uhhuh, if someone would give me the exact command line to create a preloadable .dylib, I'd appreciate |
| 01:27.32 | timelyx | it includes a big sticker designed to force people not to use it |
| 01:28.02 | doc|home | timelyx: nope |
| 01:28.02 | timelyx | what do you mean preloadable? |
| 01:28.02 | doc|home | timelyx: heh |
| 01:28.06 | timelyx | doc|home: nokia learns, just very slowly |
| 01:28.25 | lle2 | timelyx: as in, LD_PRELOAD=libsb2.so, but obviously on a mac it's something like DYLIB_PRELOAD or something |
| 01:28.59 | timelyx | LD_PRELOADS |
| 01:29.01 | timelyx | arg |
| 01:29.04 | doc|home | timelyx: I'd rather they had something than nothing, but why not just ship a decent one while they're at it :/ |
| 01:29.14 | timelyx | DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES |
| 01:29.18 | lle2 | doc|home: no screen protector is needed |
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| 01:29.49 | doc|home | lle2: GeneralAntilles's experience seems to show otherwise :/ |
| 01:30.16 | GeneralAntilles | and back to point A. Glare reduction. |
| 01:30.41 | lle2 | timelyx: yup, but I need to create the .dylib properly first |
| 01:30.50 | lle2 | at the moment I fail |
| 01:31.22 | lle2 | timelyx: going by the bloody examples I've seen, I should build everything using libtool |
| 01:31.40 | lle2 | either the NeXT variant, or gnu |
| 01:31.44 | lle2 | I don't want to |
| 01:32.34 | lle2 | if it's not possible to create .dylibs on a the mac without using libtool, then I declare the mac as not worthy |
| 01:33.39 | timelyx | ok, how about solaris? :) |
| 01:33.41 | lle2 | so far every simplistic example that demonstrates how it's done runs gcc with a switch that makes it run libtool |
| 01:33.55 | lle2 | which is so sad it makes me smile |
| 01:34.44 | lle2 | timelyx: solaris might already work, no way for me to test it |
| 01:34.57 | timelyx | lle2: i'll give you an account on swift |
| 01:35.23 | lle2 | timelyx: I'm not sure I want one ;P |
| 01:36.04 | lle2 | but I'll gladly apply patches that fix any possible issues with it |
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| 01:50.40 | timelyx | these people are so silly |
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| 02:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry, timeless. :( |
| 02:04.45 | l7 | so how long does it take for the n800's battery to fully charge? |
| 02:06.43 | milhouse | 3 or 4 hours tops |
| 02:08.50 | timelyx | anyone here familiar w/ the folder chooser? |
| 02:08.52 | timelyx | czr? :) |
| 02:10.27 | l7 | milhouse: is it better to charge your battery whenever you get a chance or to run it down to empty and then charge? |
| 02:10.56 | doc|home | l7 whenever you get the chance apparently, which surprised me too |
| 02:10.58 | halley | l7, lithium ion-- just don't drain it for a week after it refuses to boot. |
| 02:10.58 | l7 | nokia's manual has a warning to "not overcharge your battery" |
| 02:11.31 | l7 | doc|home: maybe it's better to disconnect the battery immediately after it reaches full then? |
| 02:11.38 | doc|home | or the charger |
| 02:11.58 | l7 | i guess a lithium battery is happier being fully charged |
| 02:11.59 | doc|home | 40% is supposed to be best if you're not going to use it for a while |
| 02:12.07 | doc|home | there's a page on the wiki |
| 02:12.09 | halley | By "overcharged" they mean 24 hrs. |
| 02:12.12 | l7 | since you will decrease it's life when you deep cycle |
| 02:12.34 | l7 | doc|home: ITT's wiki or maemo's wiki? |
| 02:13.03 | l7 | it's too bad they didn't implent usb charging |
| 02:13.17 | l7 | presumably usb is smart enough to turn off the power when it doesn't need it |
| 02:13.32 | doc|home | l7 maemo |
| 02:13.37 | l7 | ah okay thanks |
| 02:14.06 | l7 | halley: does overcharging include simply using the tablet while plugged in? |
| 02:14.22 | l7 | if so, maybe you have to unplug when it's full |
| 02:15.18 | l7 | i also noticed that if you charge up the battery, and reinsert the plug, it will show the charging icon again |
| 02:15.26 | halley | No, just don't leave it plugged in for days. |
| 02:15.30 | halley | Don't worry so much. |
| 02:15.35 | l7 | hrm ok |
| 02:15.57 | l7 | halley: my n800 is shiny and new, so i must worry about it :) |
| 02:16.51 | l7 | sp3000: my IT is an internet radio reciever right now, hence it can be plugged in constantly |
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| 02:17.27 | l7 | i just wish nokia had a charging scheme similiar to a laptop's |
| 02:17.55 | l7 | it won't even show your charge percentage |
| 02:18.06 | l7 | ah well, that is my battery rant |
| 02:18.07 | halley | l7, consider it the same, but it's a smaller battery so less accurate. |
| 02:18.25 | timelyx | nice |
| 02:18.41 | timelyx | we got a bug report that the browser isn't very responsive with 7 flash videos on a single web page |
| 02:18.47 | timelyx | am i supposed to be shocked? |
| 02:19.45 | doc|home | I've noticed some stuff with it too. Zooming takes ages. |
| 02:19.54 | timelyx | yes |
| 02:20.00 | timelyx | the zoom ui is also insane |
| 02:20.04 | doc|home | and when you "open in new window" then minimize the new window, it pops back up |
| 02:20.13 | pupnik | flash is a slug by design |
| 02:20.14 | doc|home | which is annoying |
| 02:20.24 | timelyx | doc: yeah, um... that one should be fixed |
| 02:20.41 | timelyx | if you have some debugging experience and gtk knowledge, you could actually help |
| 02:20.42 | pupnik | good bug report doc|home :) |
| 02:21.00 | timelyx | there is one bug someone filed not to recently complaining about focus stealing |
| 02:21.06 | doc|home | I'm also getting it that the entire OS freezes but can't figure out why. It is something to do with the browser doing something but I can't figure out why so can't file a bug :/ |
| 02:21.09 | timelyx | but i think your testcase is probably better than theirs (do check) |
| 02:21.21 | timelyx | doc|home: install sshd and gdb |
| 02:21.36 | doc|home | will do it tomorrow, 'bout to head out now. |
| 02:21.48 | timelyx | (if you're feeling really adventurous, you could look into oprofile, but ...) |
| 02:21.50 | timelyx | oh sure |
| 02:21.53 | timelyx | it's 4am |
| 02:21.57 | timelyx | i don't want an answer now anyway |
| 02:22.13 | doc|home | :) |
| 02:23.09 | TheFool2 | does anyone here use maemo-mapper? |
| 02:23.42 | halley | Is it better than the N810 built in map app? Or is it the same thing? |
| 02:23.50 | l7 | so has anyone found any new tricks for speeding up their ITs? |
| 02:23.54 | [pablo] | TheFool2: i do =) |
| 02:24.02 | halley | I think the N810 one is a bit weak, interface wise. |
| 02:24.07 | TheFool2 | is there any easy way yo zoom in and out? |
| 02:24.15 | l7 | i can't wait to install OS 2008 on an external card |
| 02:24.18 | [pablo] | the zoom in and out buttons on the top |
| 02:24.29 | TheFool2 | lol, the volume buttons? |
| 02:24.43 | TheFool2 | that makes sense I guess |
| 02:24.53 | [pablo] | ?? i dunno, they zoom on my n810 |
| 02:25.07 | TheFool2 | well thanks, they do on my 770 as well =) |
| 02:25.14 | [pablo] | =) |
| 02:25.17 | dragorn | what they do depends on the app |
| 02:25.21 | halley | TheFool2, they're not volume buttons, they're +/- buttons. |
| 02:25.22 | [pablo] | you can also remap whatever keys you want to zoom |
| 02:25.28 | halley | They usually adjust the font size. |
| 02:25.42 | TheFool2 | I totally thought they had a sound label on them, guess I was wrong |
| 02:25.44 | TheFool2 | all the better |
| 02:26.28 | TheFool2 | [pablo]: have you had any issues waiting for the next map screen to load when using it on the road? |
| 02:26.44 | TheFool2 | halley: I guess I use too many media apps :) |
| 02:26.47 | milhouse | oi timeless - bug 166, I thought you were looking for suggestions! :) |
| 02:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | l7, the overcharging issues applies to NiMH batteries. |
| 02:27.00 | timelyx | milhouse: sometimes yes, sometimes no :) |
| 02:27.15 | timelyx | milhouse: i'd rather them on irc atm |
| 02:27.19 | timelyx | in a different channel |
| 02:27.24 | [pablo] | TheFool2: haven't had the chance to use it on the road yet |
| 02:27.25 | timelyx | anyone want to guess why empty text areas in microb have no context menus? |
| 02:27.56 | milhouse | timeless: ah ok, i'm happy to discuss that first then file it in bugzilla |
| 02:28.09 | milhouse | timeless: though it's not always clear what should be discussed where... |
| 02:28.26 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: it seems odd that nokia would put overcharging in the n800's instructions then. does that mean it's safe to keep the IT plugged in indefinitely, barring surges? |
| 02:28.40 | milhouse | timeless: empty textareas... nutjob for a UI designer? |
| 02:28.46 | l7 | maybe it's just Nokia's legal department writing it? |
| 02:28.49 | timelyx | no comment |
| 02:29.20 | TheFool2 | [pablo]: darn neither have I :(, using it as a map viewer works but I hate the map loading wait. If I was using it on the road that would really drive me insane. It makes sense that there would be a delay when moving the map much faster than a car can move. I am just hoping it doesn't take the same amount of time for small incremental rerenderings |
| 02:29.52 | [pablo] | TheFool2: have you tried pre-downloading the maps? |
| 02:29.54 | l7 | i'm almost tempted to buy a used 770 as a dedicated internet radio tuner |
| 02:30.20 | TheFool2 | yea, did that and am testing in offline mode |
| 02:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | l7, it's the old battery recommendations, they didn't change them for lion for some reason. |
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| 02:31.23 | timelyx | l7: err, i thought the radio was an n800 item |
| 02:31.39 | [pablo] | TheFool2: i only wish there was a way to load a route without having access to the internet |
| 02:32.17 | TheFool2 | [pablo]: from my understanding the proccessing needed to create a route makes that unfeasable |
| 02:32.35 | [pablo] | yup |
| 02:32.37 | TheFool2 | [pablo]: but yea...I would love it too |
| 02:32.59 | TheFool2 | [pablo]: because the next step would be auto-rerouting =) |
| 02:33.01 | l7 | timelyx: fm radio? |
| 02:33.09 | [pablo] | mapper uses a seperate web service to create the routes, instead of doing it itself |
| 02:33.23 | l7 | timelyx: i can't see any reason why the 770 wouldn't support internet radio... |
| 02:33.54 | TheFool2 | l7: the only problem is internet radio drains the battery rather fast |
| 02:34.27 | l7 | TheFool2: it could stay plugged in... |
| 02:34.31 | TheFool2 | l7: I would guestimate about 3 hours before the unit dies on you |
| 02:34.46 | TheFool2 | l7: well in that case why not just use your desktop? |
| 02:34.50 | l7 | unless the battery were nimh |
| 02:34.57 | l7 | TheFool2: lower power consumption and no fan |
| 02:35.06 | l7 | and sheer coolness? |
| 02:35.24 | l7 | also space |
| 02:35.25 | TheFool2 | l7: lol, I will give in to the coolness factor, sorta :) |
| 02:35.42 | l7 | whenever i sit down at the desktop, i find dozens of useless things to do |
| 02:35.57 | l7 | the IT keeps me focused :) |
| 02:36.12 | TheFool2 | because it takes so long to load a web page... |
| 02:36.21 | l7 | heh yeah... |
| 02:36.36 | l7 | i have heard that the iphone / itouch has a faster browser |
| 02:36.44 | l7 | i need to go into a store and test this though |
| 02:36.45 | TheFool2 | I love my 770, but it is funny my only complaint is the web browser takes so freaking long |
| 02:36.55 | l7 | it didn't seem that fast last timed i tried it int he apple store |
| 02:37.14 | TheFool2 | yea one of my friends has one, its faster but still not great |
| 02:37.27 | TheFool2 | and on the edge network... |
| 02:37.40 | l7 | is browsing in OS 2008 much faster? |
| 02:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 02:37.58 | l7 | how is wifi browsing performance? |
| 02:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | A lot faster. |
| 02:38.01 | [pablo] | than on edge? yes ... on wifi .. it's similar |
| 02:38.14 | l7 | i guess that's a good reason alone to upgrade, even if you lose some apps |
| 02:38.29 | GeneralAntilles | Meh the apps will be back soon |
| 02:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | The important stuff is already there. |
| 02:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | So you're not really losing much. |
| 02:39.16 | l7 | maybe OS2008 browsing matches the iphone / itouch's speed? |
| 02:39.24 | l7 | if so, my envy is reduced :) |
| 02:39.30 | TheFool2 | it better for the price tag |
| 02:39.42 | l7 | true |
| 02:39.53 | l7 | i don't think the ipod touch has ssh either |
| 02:39.58 | l7 | or IM |
| 02:40.11 | TheFool2 | the iphone is nice, it does what it was made to do and does it well. But thats it. The IT's can do sooo much more |
| 02:40.16 | l7 | or bluetooth |
| 02:40.31 | TheFool2 | l7: actually it has all of the above with the right hacks... |
| 02:40.42 | l7 | i wonder if the iphone can be had anywhere w/o a contract anyhow |
| 02:40.46 | TheFool2 | l7: the bluetooth is there it is simply nonfunctional |
| 02:41.07 | l7 | TheFool2: i suppose there are people working on it |
| 02:41.19 | TheFool2 | yea, but even so I will stick to my 770 |
| 02:41.39 | l7 | it sounds to me like it could become like Sony's firmware war against it's community though |
| 02:41.46 | l7 | but i don't think apple is quite that dumb |
| 02:41.53 | [pablo] | l7: yes, they sell it in germany and france without a contract |
| 02:41.56 | [pablo] | for over $1000 |
| 02:42.27 | l7 | [pablo]: oh yeah, that is an absurd price for an iphone |
| 02:42.35 | l7 | might as well get an oQo |
| 02:42.37 | TheFool2 | if you dont want to use it as a phone there is absolutely no reason to get the ihpone over the ipod touch. |
| 02:42.45 | l7 | though that might mean living w/ windoze |
| 02:42.55 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone only has 480x320 |
| 02:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Which is garbage compared to 800x480 |
| 02:43.02 | [pablo] | l7: i'm sure you can drop ubuntu or something on an oqo |
| 02:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone is only faster because it doesn't deal with flash. ;) |
| 02:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | and it's not much faster anyhow. |
| 02:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | OQO wont fit into a pocket. |
| 02:43.50 | l7 | TheFool2: yeah it's just the hacking required. because apple wants to encourage iphone sales, it cripples the itouch |
| 02:44.19 | l7 | [pablo]: drivers might be difficult, but i guess so |
| 02:45.04 | TheFool2 | that is what ndiswrapper is for I guess |
| 02:45.04 | l7 | yeah i still think the n800 is damn good |
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| 02:45.22 | TheFool2 | hell yea totally the best buy out there in my view |
| 02:45.33 | [pablo] | for it's $200 price tag the n800 is a phenomenal deal |
| 02:45.49 | l7 | it'll really make the itouch look puny when 32gb flash cards are cheap ;) |
| 02:46.01 | TheFool2 | but I truly hate it's appearance...something about ti just annoys me |
| 02:46.13 | [pablo] | it's bulky and big |
| 02:46.19 | [pablo] | not sleek |
| 02:46.27 | [pablo] | a bit clunky |
| 02:46.36 | l7 | TheFool2: what bugs you about the N800? |
| 02:46.47 | TheFool2 | but I love the way my 770 looks, and I like the looks of the 810 |
| 02:46.49 | l7 | the n810 seems sleeker |
| 02:46.54 | l7 | though heavier |
| 02:47.05 | [pablo] | it's heavier, but it's not heavy |
| 02:47.09 | l7 | true |
| 02:47.10 | [pablo] | it's solid |
| 02:47.20 | [pablo] | feels like it's all there |
| 02:47.20 | TheFool2 | I think it is largely the huge "frame" around it and the metallic look just doesn´t fit it |
| 02:47.31 | l7 | i'm not sure i like the n810's lack of external buttons |
| 02:47.49 | TheFool2 | l7: true, especially since it is coupled with a gps |
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| 02:48.13 | l7 | yeah, it's weird how you have to open the kickstand to get at your buttons |
| 02:48.22 | [pablo] | i never got use to using the external buttons on an n800, because i've never owned one, but the lack of a dpad on the outside doesn't bother me at all, i barely use the dpad |
| 02:48.22 | halley | Er, no. |
| 02:48.28 | l7 | that is just weird, but i understand nokia's engineers are dealing with limited space |
| 02:48.50 | halley | You don't have to open the kickstand to get at any buttons. Just the USB and SDmini slots are hidden by the kickstand. |
| 02:48.53 | l7 | buttons on the other right side would be neat too |
| 02:49.00 | joshin | Is there still a torrent floating around of the SDK on a virtual machine? |
| 02:49.04 | l7 | i feel bad for lefties... |
| 02:49.20 | l7 | halley: ah okay |
| 02:49.47 | TheFool2 | why? I am a leftie and I want my buttons on the left |
| 02:49.49 | l7 | joshin: i thought there was a direct download |
| 02:49.57 | TheFool2 | I hold it and access it with the same hand |
| 02:50.08 | l7 | joshin: there is a torrent liked from vmware's vm marketplace iirc |
| 02:50.22 | joshin | l7: There is but there are no seeders |
| 02:50.47 | l7 | TheFool2: |
| 02:51.00 | l7 | TheFool2: oh i thought it would be harder |
| 02:51.09 | l7 | joshin: why not sure the direct download? |
| 02:51.18 | l7 | unless it's getting real slow |
| 02:51.49 | l7 | there's something clumsy about the n800's button setup to me too |
| 02:52.21 | l7 | the UI isn't quite as sleek as the iphone's |
| 02:52.30 | l7 | though i imagine that can be customized in time |
| 02:53.19 | joshin | l7: I didn't see the direct download. But then again, I think that maemo.org is running on a 770 so poking around there is terribly frustrating. |
| 02:53.45 | l7 | joshin, try google |
| 02:54.10 | l7 | if you are looking for the vmware thingy |
| 02:54.20 | joshin | l7 good idea |
| 02:54.36 | l7 | it was not on maemo.org iirc |
| 02:55.00 | joshin | I just don't want to cruft up my server with scratchbox crap. |
| 02:55.13 | l7 | heh |
| 02:56.36 | zerojay | Er.. why would you install it on your server to begin with? |
| 02:57.54 | joshin | Because my server is where I do all my development work. |
| 02:59.08 | l7 | joshin: hey, found it http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 02:59.31 | joshin | l7: Dang, was just about to post the link myself. Thanks for the help. |
| 02:59.40 | l7 | np |
| 02:59.53 | l7 | it is actually rather hard to find |
| 03:00.17 | l7 | i didn't find it the first time around for quite a while |
| 03:02.33 | fysa | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/07/mini-usb-gamepad-for-those-with-small-hands/ |
| 03:03.54 | joshin | That's kinda cool. Velcro it to the back of a 770/800. |
| 03:04.04 | fysa | haha exactly |
| 03:04.10 | l7 | hrm nice |
| 03:04.16 | l7 | if usb host mode worked |
| 03:04.41 | fysa | I was looking for a mini USB joystick. I think someone could make a USB joystick contained on a plug end with a single analog stick (think very small) sticking out |
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| 03:05.09 | l7 | that'll go nicely with the new GBA emulator |
| 03:05.09 | joshin | Can make it work on the 770. |
| 03:05.19 | l7 | how much work is it? |
| 03:05.49 | fysa | which new GBA emu? |
| 03:06.05 | l7 | so what are the best games for OS2007? |
| 03:06.09 | l7 | or the IT in general |
| 03:06.19 | zerojay | Hey guys, you might want to see about getting the SNES emulator to run well before thinking about GBA. |
| 03:06.20 | fysa | Dungeon Master/Chaos Strikes Back is really good if you've never played it before. |
| 03:06.37 | fysa | and the game back then included a bug-button mouse interface |
| 03:06.43 | fysa | which translates rather well to the touchscreen |
| 03:07.07 | fysa | Wesnoth is fun, but was a bit buggy for me. |
| 03:07.17 | zerojay | Personally, I'm a huge fan of emulators.. My Xbox has a 320GB hard drive with pretty much every emulator on the planet.. but even I don't really see the point of running emulators on the tablets. |
| 03:07.21 | zerojay | At least not yet. |
| 03:07.28 | fysa | GBA with Final Fantasy Tactics would be the pinnacle for me. |
| 03:07.39 | l7 | fysa: Gambatte iirc |
| 03:07.43 | fysa | nice pacing for a handheld, won't suffer with onscreen controls |
| 03:07.48 | fysa | I thought it was only GB/GB:C? |
| 03:07.54 | l7 | someone mentioned it in channel earlier |
| 03:07.58 | l7 | dunno if it works on the IT |
| 03:08.08 | l7 | but it might! |
| 03:08.09 | zerojay | fysa: Heard about the PSP version? |
| 03:08.16 | fysa | of Gambatte? |
| 03:08.22 | fysa | no.. was just reading their page earlier |
| 03:08.24 | zerojay | No, FF Tactics. |
| 03:08.26 | fysa | ah |
| 03:08.32 | fysa | yeah, I had a PSP too but sold it last year.. |
| 03:08.58 | fysa | 1.5 fw/etc, coincidentally sold it for about the same as I paid for the N800. |
| 03:09.13 | l7 | nice |
| 03:09.18 | l7 | why did you sell the PSP? |
| 03:09.25 | zerojay | I have a DS as well. I took it apart to fix something and just haven't found a reason to even bother with putting it back together yet... even with my flash cart. |
| 03:09.34 | l7 | it should be a nice GBA emu for Final Fantasy Tactics i bet |
| 03:09.49 | zerojay | Yeah, the GBA emulator on the PSP is really good. |
| 03:09.49 | fysa | figured it was reaching end of life, only used it on vacation really.. it just kind of sat because it had no day-to-day use like the N800 does. |
| 03:10.23 | fysa | emulators on DS aren't so hot? |
| 03:10.24 | l7 | yeah i'm kinda too busy to deal w much gaming myself |
| 03:10.27 | fysa | or it just doesn't have the CPU? |
| 03:10.34 | zerojay | No, they aren't. |
| 03:11.07 | zerojay | The CPU and the dual screens means that you get a slow emulator on a tiny screen and the other one basically does nothing. |
| 03:11.13 | fysa | ah, right |
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| 03:11.54 | zerojay | I do have to say that I've been using my PSP a lot less since getting my N800. |
| 03:12.02 | fysa | hopefully it will only be a matter of time before we get a hacked kernel with a higher max speed. |
| 03:12.06 | zerojay | I used to use my PSP for portable media, etc... |
| 03:12.18 | zerojay | fysa: For what? |
| 03:12.21 | fysa | I bet you can get another 50-100MHz out of the N800 before getting into thermal trouble. |
| 03:12.26 | l7 | where is the GB emulator by the way? |
| 03:12.34 | l7 | the link on garage seems broken |
| 03:12.40 | fysa | your battery may not last, but who cares -- it lasts long enough anyway |
| 03:12.44 | zerojay | fysa: Well, the chip doesn't go that high, period. |
| 03:12.54 | fysa | the CPU in the N800? |
| 03:12.55 | elb | ... a hacked kernel may or may not be able to give a "higher max speed" |
| 03:13.03 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 03:13.15 | l7 | zerojay: how does the PSP's media playing stack up in terms of video? |
| 03:13.23 | elb | there is a clock in there, and it may or may not be capable of going faster |
| 03:13.37 | fysa | right. |
| 03:13.45 | l7 | the PSP seems like a good value for video compared to the ipod... but it seems rather heavy |
| 03:13.48 | fysa | but the ARM we use is rated for 1GHz in some applications. |
| 03:13.57 | l7 | and big |
| 03:14.01 | zerojay | l7: Generally well. It can't play every media format without mplayer, basically. |
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| 03:14.20 | timelyx | l7: sorry, nokia in its infinite wisdom included a real fm tuner w/ the n800 and only the n800 |
| 03:14.23 | zerojay | The PSP Slim is a lot lighter than the regular one.. about 15% amller too. |
| 03:14.33 | timelyx | as a result people who talk about radio are assumed to mean that, and not internet radio |
| 03:14.34 | zerojay | smaller |
| 03:14.49 | l7 | timelyx: er yeah, i was thinking of internet radio :) |
| 03:15.12 | zerojay | I think I've only used the FM radio tuner once or twice. |
| 03:15.19 | l7 | timelyx: i still wonder about nokia's mysterious decision to include an FM tuner though |
| 03:16.08 | l7 | zerojay: can you still install open firmware and video players on the PSP Slim? |
| 03:16.25 | zerojay | They probably had some real official plans with it that fell through.. ran out of time or something... or maybe the hardware designers decided to add it and the software people just didn't bother with it. |
| 03:16.27 | zerojay | l7: Yep. |
| 03:16.32 | l7 | nice |
| 03:16.44 | zerojay | Not open firmware. |
| 03:16.47 | zerojay | Hacked firmware. |
| 03:16.55 | l7 | oh right |
| 03:17.13 | l7 | open firmware not actually being open, if i remember sony's lingo |
| 03:17.36 | zerojay | It would have been open except that Sony couldn't figure out a way to sandbox it effectively. |
| 03:17.44 | timelyx | l7: how could a 400mhz arm processor match a 750mhz iphone processor? |
| 03:18.21 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the oqo has full keyboard and full mouse |
| 03:18.21 | l7 | timelyx: huh? |
| 03:18.30 | timelyx | there's no reason to stick it in a pocket, just use it |
| 03:18.42 | timelyx | pockets are for devices people don't like or want to use |
| 03:19.07 | l7 | does the oqo have a touchscreen? |
| 03:19.19 | l7 | a mouse seems weird on that form factor |
| 03:19.23 | halley | Yes. |
| 03:19.31 | zerojay | timelyx: So.. I put my N800 in my pocket while going to work and listening to music on it... does that mean I don't like it or want to use it? |
| 03:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, timelyx. |
| 03:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | I don't carry a bag with me, so pocketable is very important. |
| 03:20.26 | zerojay | I'm not too lazy to hold it in my hand, but I'm tired of hearing people around me saying "He's got an iPhone!" in French. |
| 03:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | I never get that, thank goodness. |
| 03:20.59 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: iirc the oqo has a belt hook |
| 03:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:21.07 | lmoura | timelyx, what doesn't install? (also lost the history :) |
| 03:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | ... |
| 03:21.20 | timelyx | lmoura: python2.5-hildon |
| 03:21.28 | timelyx | the oqo we have is on my coworker's desk |
| 03:21.37 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: you need a good tight belt |
| 03:21.37 | zerojay | I'm on the bus and if it's somewhat packed, they all crowd around me to see me listening to music while playing Mahjong with my fingers. |
| 03:21.46 | timelyx | or coworkers who won't claim harassment..,. |
| 03:22.05 | lmoura | timelyx, any error message? |
| 03:22.10 | GeneralAntilles | Had a bunch of people ask about my N800 when I flew out to Cali. |
| 03:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Everywhere I sat down. |
| 03:23.13 | zerojay | I was waiting at the bus stop and made a video call to my wife and thought I was going to start a riot. |
| 03:23.26 | halley | Hm, my pygame is up to 10fps but still not quite fast enough to be pleasant. |
| 03:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Crazy Canadians . . . |
| 03:23.49 | timelyx | lmoura: hildon-libs version not satisfied |
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| 03:29.44 | lmoura | timelyx, probably we messed up with versioning. Tomorrow afternoon I'll install gregale and take a look (it's quite late here in brazil) |
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| 03:32.20 | zerojay | Any python devs around? |
| 03:32.40 | lmoura | zerojay, yep |
| 03:33.04 | zerojay | lmoura: Any way you could possibly package a module for me? |
| 03:33.12 | timelyx | lmoura: it's 5.30am here, what's your excuse? :) |
| 03:33.16 | timelyx | but, thanks :) |
| 03:33.50 | timelyx | lmoura: wait |
| 03:33.52 | lmoura | timelyx, I've to leave home in 6 hours |
| 03:33.55 | timelyx | installing gregale is useless |
| 03:34.07 | timelyx | i have scirocco not gregale |
| 03:34.11 | lmoura | zerojay, right now, no |
| 03:34.14 | timelyx | and i'm not upgrading! |
| 03:34.23 | zerojay | lmoura: Okie dokey. Thanks anyways. |
| 03:34.34 | lmoura | timelyx, oh |
| 03:35.42 | lmoura | that's hildon pre-0.14 |
| 03:36.40 | lmoura | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/scirocco/free/p/python-hildon/ |
| 03:37.13 | lmoura | timelyx, did you try that one? |
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| 03:47.52 | l7 | hey, does adding too many RSS feeds to the default RSS reader eat up your RAM? |
| 03:48.11 | zerojay | I've got about 45 feeds right now. |
| 03:48.17 | l7 | i read something about the RSS reader sharing resources in the manual, but it is as usual unclear |
| 03:48.18 | zerojay | Doesn't seem to cause any problems. |
| 03:48.27 | l7 | short feeds or long feeds? |
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| 03:48.36 | zerojay | Uh...? |
| 03:48.52 | l7 | can you tell the OS not the display certain feeds on the home screen? |
| 03:49.11 | l7 | i was hoping i could just tell it to put the important ones on the home screen |
| 03:50.03 | zerojay | No. |
| 03:50.14 | zerojay | It puts all updates for all your feeds there. |
| 03:50.14 | halley | Sure you could. |
| 03:50.26 | halley | Just don't put unimportant feeds in your feed list. |
| 03:50.37 | zerojay | halley: Yeah, not a solution. |
| 03:51.31 | zerojay | Not that it matters to me because if I have a feed added to my list, I want to know when there are updates. |
| 03:51.44 | halley | See? |
| 03:52.05 | zerojay | Yeah, but that's me. I know there's a lot of people that do want to select their feeds. |
| 03:53.57 | halley | The "sketch" app needs an "erase all" that doesn't need a pokey confirmation dialog box. |
| 03:54.09 | halley | And its margins are too big. |
| 03:54.12 | zerojay | New isn't good enough? |
| 03:54.36 | halley | Did you read the part where I said "that doesn't need a pokey confirmation dialog box"? I thought that was clear. |
| 03:55.26 | zerojay | There isn't one. |
| 03:56.27 | halley | Uh, click menu, click "New", see "Save Sketch before closing? [Yes] [No] [Cancel]". |
| 03:56.30 | zerojay | I think there might be a way to erase all without doing that. |
| 03:56.39 | zerojay | Uh, doesn't happen here. |
| 03:56.53 | halley | N810 OS2008? |
| 03:57.10 | zerojay | N800 OS2008 44-4. |
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| 03:58.14 | zerojay | I did this time... hmm.. weird. |
| 03:58.37 | halley | Of course it won't ask if you didn't draw anything in the old one. |
| 03:58.48 | zerojay | Well, whatever.. I don't really see the problem with a confirmation dialog box for a program that only has one window open at a time though. |
| 03:59.08 | zerojay | There's no reason why it shouldn't allow you to have more than one open at a time though. |
| 03:59.18 | zerojay | Which is the real problem. |
| 03:59.33 | zerojay | Help shows no shortcut way to erase all, unfortunately. |
| 04:00.13 | halley | The maemomapper+ lets you have many scribbles and notes, but I *hate* database backends instead of flatfiles, and it's twice as clumsy to make each new note/sketch. |
| 04:01.20 | halley | The pygtkeditor looks nice but I want it to support more than one text file in the session (multiple python instances to edit multiple files is not optimal). |
| 04:01.44 | zerojay | maemopadplus. |
| 04:01.56 | halley | Er, yeah, maemopad+ |
| 04:04.45 | timelyx | lmoura: dunno, application manager isn't finding it w/ a repo configured to be that |
| 04:08.08 | lopz | http://rafb.net/p/m0VY4p72.html <- any ideas ? :) |
| 04:08.20 | lopz | I not use debian :\ |
| 04:08.31 | zerojay | You probably have the Application manager open. |
| 04:08.33 | halley | Can't apt-get if you have Application Manager open. |
| 04:08.49 | timelyx | welcome to debian |
| 04:08.55 | lopz | jeje |
| 04:09.06 | zerojay | Same here. |
| 04:09.29 | zerojay | No dealing with dependency hell makes it worthwhile. |
| 04:11.34 | lopz | mm how have xterm + colors ? or only black and white ? |
| 04:13.04 | lopz | I sorry for my english, is very bad :\ |
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| 04:16.52 | dick-richardson | with the built-in maps for os2008, where is the dividing line between east and west in the US? |
| 04:17.24 | zerojay | Damn good question. |
| 04:18.10 | halley | dick-richardson, not sure but would guess the Mississippi River. |
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| 04:19.09 | dick-richardson | seems to be as good a guess as any |
| 04:19.25 | halley | Looks like it-- I zoom out and see the US in two tones of green. |
| 04:20.58 | halley | You get numbered hiways on the "off" side, but surface streets on the "on" side. |
| 04:21.12 | halley | I zoomed in on St Louis. |
| 04:21.34 | dick-richardson | I'll take a look once it's done downloading...i'm only 2 hours in so far :/ |
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| 04:22.21 | halley | If you don't want the GPS it constantly nags "Enable GPS?!?!?!?!" every 15sec. |
| 04:23.01 | skiburr | does osso xterm work for OS2008 N800? |
| 04:23.13 | halley | lopz, don't think so; using $TERM==xterm-color was not sufficient. |
| 04:23.14 | skiburr | anybody used it yet or tested it? |
| 04:23.24 | skiburr | hum.. |
| 04:23.49 | skiburr | I'm using default terminal and MC |
| 04:23.54 | doc|home | halley: yes, that is annoying |
| 04:24.04 | skiburr | doesn't like the app |
| 04:24.06 | doc|home | "for the 50th fucking time! I don't want to enable gps!" |
| 04:24.16 | doc|home | *STAB SCREEN* |
| 04:24.27 | halley | Glad it's not just me. |
| 04:25.42 | timelyx | halley: i complained about the 15s gps thing internally |
| 04:25.49 | timelyx | halley: pair a phone that doesn't have gps |
| 04:25.55 | timelyx | and configure that as your gps device |
| 04:26.21 | halley | I don't pair with a phone at all. Nokia gets it in their head that the tablet is only useful in proximity with a bluetooth phone. |
| 04:26.59 | halley | All the docs give a hard sell to this usage pattern. |
| 04:27.20 | halley | I just don't want a phone. Especially a bluetooth phone. |
| 04:27.23 | doc|home | has a bug been filed? |
| 04:27.31 | timelyx | halley: pair it with a bluetooth pencil? |
| 04:27.39 | timelyx | any bt device that doesn't support gps will work |
| 04:27.50 | timelyx | doc|home: a map component in bugs.maemo.org was vetod |
| 04:27.56 | halley | I don't want to be bristling with antennae, I want to look at the map. |
| 04:28.06 | doc|home | also there's the power usage factor of bluetooth, both on phone and n8x0 |
| 04:28.10 | timelyx | if you want to file it in misdirected:nokia, you are within your powers but i should advise against it |
| 04:28.44 | timelyx | the lawyers all said that we shouldn't let users give useful feedback |
| 04:28.53 | timelyx | because our contracts aren't flexible enough to handle it :) |
| 04:29.09 | timelyx | i think the "correct" way to complain that the map app is a PoS |
| 04:29.12 | timelyx | is to call nokia care |
| 04:29.13 | timelyx | and complain |
| 04:29.20 | timelyx | escalate it a few times |
| 04:29.24 | timelyx | and make sure your friends call too |
| 04:29.41 | doc|home | or fork it |
| 04:29.48 | halley | Nah, they'll just stop supporting it for being a hassle. |
| 04:29.48 | doc|home | oh wait, this is closed source, isn't it? :/ |
| 04:29.52 | timelyx | the closed source contracted application? |
| 04:29.57 | timelyx | even nokians can't fix it |
| 04:30.00 | timelyx | believe me, i tried |
| 04:30.01 | doc|home | bah |
| 04:30.28 | halley | timelyx, make an OSS "null gps loopback" scheme. |
| 04:30.46 | timelyx | halley: seriously, any bluetooth device that doesn't support gps will work |
| 04:30.59 | timelyx | it probably doesn't even have to be available |
| 04:31.11 | timelyx | (in fact, it doesn't) |
| 04:31.20 | halley | timelyx, (figlet -f large I don't want any bluetooth sniffing at all.) |
| 04:31.56 | halley | If I could rip that antenna out of the case, I likely would. |
| 04:32.35 | doc|home | yeah, but, why is that bt stuff even necessary? surely someone said "well, if it's not going to be on a n810, gps might not be there" |
| 04:33.09 | timelyx | ? |
| 04:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | halley, I think you have an unhealthy hate for RF. |
| 04:33.23 | timelyx | doc: i use the bt gps feature w/ my n810s |
| 04:33.32 | timelyx | because the bt gps i have is *better* than the n810's internal gps |
| 04:33.34 | doc|home | timelyx: yeah, but for those of us with n800s |
| 04:33.43 | doc|home | sorry, maybe I wasn't clear :/ |
| 04:33.50 | halley | GeneralAntilles, aviators often do. |
| 04:33.54 | halley | (Though I'm not one.) |
| 04:34.08 | timelyx | doc: confused, if you meant to include sarcasm, it got lost |
| 04:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | Then how is it that statement relevant? :P |
| 04:34.46 | halley | Er, anyone who flies a lot as a passenger might also have a thought or two about RF. |
| 04:35.04 | dick-richardson | timelyx: she's saying why doesn't the app recognize that it could be running on an n800 and forget about gps altogether |
| 04:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's called "offline mode" |
| 04:35.27 | lopz | halley, thanks, What is the file that I have to edit? |
| 04:35.27 | timelyx | dick-richardson: um |
| 04:35.27 | timelyx | it does recognize it could be on an n800 |
| 04:35.27 | timelyx | hence the gps |
| 04:35.30 | timelyx | dick: but no, seriously |
| 04:35.37 | timelyx | the people who wrote this app did it under contract |
| 04:35.43 | timelyx | and i want to shoot them |
| 04:35.51 | doc|home | timelyx: nope, I wasn't. I'm saying the use scenario for the software (being on an n800) means gps might not be available. I'm wondering why they didn't think to allow an option to disable that? :/ |
| 04:35.57 | timelyx | i counted something like 33 dialogs for a simple route from DC to Rockville |
| 04:36.04 | doc|home | ouch |
| 04:36.05 | dick-richardson | timelyx: i gotcha. I'm with you |
| 04:36.08 | timelyx | they're idiots |
| 04:36.47 | timelyx | and the hardware and software was so flaky that i only did testing probably less than a month before the n810 "launched" |
| 04:36.58 | halley | Is the data a standard format, or some custom distortion of the same free survey stuff? |
| 04:37.00 | timelyx | by this time, there was no way in hell to get major fixes in |
| 04:37.16 | timelyx | halley: we wouldn't know, or it'd be a secret |
| 04:37.21 | timelyx | reverse engineer it |
| 04:37.27 | dick-richardson | isn't there a 'final' mid-december release? |
| 04:37.42 | timelyx | dick-richardson: err, redo from start |
| 04:37.53 | timelyx | the software for maps basically went to bed when the n810 shipped |
| 04:38.06 | timelyx | and it isn't written by nokia |
| 04:38.15 | dick-richardson | sorry...I had heard that another firmware was going to be released mid-december |
| 04:38.25 | timelyx | so the amount of flexibility about what can possibly be fixed for it is very low |
| 04:38.33 | dick-richardson | ok, so even if that's true it won't impact the map |
| 04:38.34 | timelyx | they've already futured all of my bugs to a later product |
| 04:38.42 | dick-richardson | LOL! |
| 04:38.45 | timelyx | (this is maps bugs, and i filed a dozen or so) |
| 04:39.02 | timelyx | i also gave someone a much larger list, because i didn't have the energy to file all of htem |
| 04:39.09 | timelyx | believe me, this one was in at least one of the lists |
| 04:39.13 | timelyx | i don't remember which list |
| 04:39.22 | timelyx | but one of the lists was on a very big sheet of paper :) |
| 04:39.35 | milhouse | this maps software situation sounds like Opera all over again... :( |
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| 04:39.57 | timelyx | opera was better |
| 04:40.03 | timelyx | they at least knew what they were doing |
| 04:40.10 | timelyx | problems w/ opera were imo nokia's fault |
| 04:40.29 | timelyx | problems w/ map are only nokia's fault to the extent that nokia didn't give enough specification/guidance/oversight |
| 04:40.58 | timelyx | sorta the opposite extreme |
| 04:41.06 | timelyx | micromangement v. no management |
| 04:41.19 | timelyx | don't think of the app as Nokia Map |
| 04:41.46 | timelyx | think of it as "random company partners w/ Nokia to port their preexisting map to Nokia's devices" |
| 04:42.22 | timelyx | note: i'd publish a list of bugs in the maps app |
| 04:42.31 | timelyx | but as i said, the lawyers veto'd creating a component for it |
| 04:42.47 | timelyx | so i'm pretty sure they don't want me giving you all a headstart on the bug list |
| 04:43.36 | timelyx | bug#1: application name is misspelled (it should be "Maps" like every other Maps application, including Nokia Maps for mobile phones - It's spelled "Map" on N8x0) |
| 04:44.40 | doc|home | I like the new browser's rendering abilities, it's just a little buggy |
| 04:44.45 | skiburr | Would it be faster to boot OS2008 on an internal card? Would we get more CPU power? |
| 04:45.02 | timelyx | you wouldn't get more cpu power |
| 04:45.04 | timelyx | the cpu is the cpu |
| 04:45.58 | halley | That reminds me of a question someone emailed me about perl. "Could we run 10 copies of the script in parallel and have the results faster?" |
| 04:46.24 | timelyx | halley: sad fact |
| 04:46.25 | milhouse | But ultimately like Opera, Nokia seemingly have no ability to fix the problems with the Maps application because it's contracted out, and due to their mismanagement they seem to have a lot more problems with the map app than they ever did with Opera... oh dear. |
| 04:46.26 | skiburr | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ "so the result may be faster due to lower CPU usage..." O Ok less CPU usage. Which is better. :P |
| 04:46.31 | doc|home | it's perl, so you know, it's possible :) |
| 04:46.39 | doc|home | perl means all bets are off :/ |
| 04:46.47 | halley | I wanted to forward links to "Mythical Man Month" and "Slack" to the guy. |
| 04:46.54 | timelyx | if you're dealing w/ NFS locking, sometimes multiple scripts can actually improve perf (as long as they operate on different bits of the data...) |
| 04:47.20 | halley | No, it's none of that. It was CPU bound calculations that should never have been in perl anyway. |
| 04:47.23 | lopz | halley, I do not find the file for editing, and have support for color in the terminal :\ |
| 04:47.49 | timelyx | skiburr: those reasons are fairly bogus |
| 04:47.50 | halley | lopz, your english is rough. |
| 04:47.54 | timelyx | 1. the flashes are always available |
| 04:47.59 | halley | lopz, to be more clear: NO YOU CANNOT. |
| 04:48.18 | timelyx | 2. decompressing in many cases is faster than extra sector reads |
| 04:48.25 | milhouse | skiburr - booting from internal flash may cause the CPU to spend time compressing/decompressing data written to the jffs2 filesystem, so external flash could be very very slightly faster. but probably not so you'd notice. |
| 04:48.25 | lopz | hexa_, yes, my english is bad , sorry :S |
| 04:49.06 | lopz | halley, * |
| 04:49.20 | lopz | any idea ? help me |
| 04:49.20 | timelyx | as for the bit about more space for apps, that's another story |
| 04:49.35 | timelyx | but you can try playing w/ symlinks if you're feeling adventurous |
| 04:49.45 | halley | Ah, I'm glad I have an auto-ignore-for-N-weeks script. |
| 04:50.24 | skiburr | milhouse - So any other advantages besides more space for installing apps? |
| 04:50.35 | dick-richardson | I wish os2008 had a os2007 vm so I could use my n810 :/ |
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| 04:53.22 | halley | dick-richardson, I don't follow you there. |
| 04:55.09 | lopz | urg :\ |
| 04:55.16 | timelyx | dick-richardson: you want to use 2007 apps on you n810? |
| 04:55.19 | dick-richardson | I need gnumeric and gpodder to even consider benching my n800...vpn and ssh would be really nice |
| 04:55.23 | timelyx | presumably because no one has rebuilt them? |
| 04:55.28 | dick-richardson | timelyx: yep |
| 04:55.32 | timelyx | ssh is available |
| 04:55.39 | halley | Er, ssh is easy. |
| 04:55.59 | dick-richardson | compiling from source? |
| 04:56.05 | halley | No. |
| 04:56.12 | timelyx | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php |
| 04:56.22 | skiburr | Wounding if anybody is trying to compile Slackware. |
| 04:56.24 | timelyx | click os2008, enter "ssh", click search |
| 04:56.31 | halley | The one thing that's bugging me about the N810 is there's no Japanese IME. |
| 04:56.42 | dick-richardson | there we go, i've just been looking at maemo.org/downloads |
| 04:58.34 | dick-richardson | I've fallen in love with that site :D |
| 04:58.42 | timelyx | it's in the topic... |
| 04:58.52 | milhouse | skiburr: not really, additional space when booting from external flash is the main reason. once the OS is upgradeable via the application manager (which should be possible with os2008) it might become advisable to test the upgrade on a cloned OS on external flash. but beyond that i'm stuck for reasons why anyone would want to boot from external flash. i'm sure there are more reasons. |
| 04:59.33 | timelyx | heh |
| 04:59.37 | skiburr | lol |
| 04:59.51 | skiburr | thanks for the info milhouse |
| 04:59.55 | timelyx | halley: i could have written that on my mobile phone :) |
| 05:00.07 | milhouse | np - and no... there'd be more typos if i'd used a tablet! |
| 05:00.15 | milhouse | and i'd still be typing it... |
| 05:00.18 | lopz | mmiller, that file can be modified to xterm-color? |
| 05:00.23 | timelyx | depends on whether you use prediction :) |
| 05:00.24 | dick-richardson | I could do that in graffiti back in the day |
| 05:00.45 | timelyx | dick-richardson: you could still do that today w/ a nice old palm :) |
| 05:00.47 | halley | timelyx, it was the value/strokes ratio and the length of time since skiburr asked the question. |
| 05:01.21 | timelyx | ah |
| 05:01.28 | timelyx | i think he's distracted elsewhere :) |
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| 05:03.31 | dick-richardson | timelyx: true, but I need spreadsheets and podcasting clients, along with ssh and openvpn. I've outgrown my palm :/ |
| 05:03.50 | dick-richardson | er...don't read too much into that |
| 05:05.27 | dick-richardson | wow, i'm slow...ssh is in the default repos |
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| 05:08.51 | astro76 | dick-richardson, there's a vpn client too |
| 05:09.06 | dick-richardson | astro76: do you know as it supports openvpn? |
| 05:09.30 | astro76 | dick-richardson, hrm no idea.. it says vpnc, cisco-compatible vpn client |
| 05:09.37 | astro76 | default repos |
| 05:09.53 | dick-richardson | yeah, saw that one...won't do what I need |
| 05:10.16 | dick-richardson | unless I get some much nicer hardware here than my 3 year old wrt54g |
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| 05:21.01 | dick-richardson | rootme as the ssh root password doesn't work...? |
| 05:23.40 | milhouse | something odd about os2008 - works fine if R&D mode is enabled... |
| 05:23.46 | milhouse | @dick |
| 05:24.27 | milhouse | at least it works fine for me, and i've got r&d mode enabled... did you change the password when you installed openssh server? i just entered rootme as the old/new password when it prompted me. |
| 05:25.07 | skiburr | OS2008 Skype N800 crashes |
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| 05:25.20 | milhouse | skiburr: yep |
| 05:26.33 | dick-richardson | I just installed the openssh meta package |
| 05:26.43 | dick-richardson | r&d mode is enabled |
| 05:26.52 | skiburr | just testing out with my DAD |
| 05:27.42 | skiburr | Thinking of opening a Nokia Internet Tablet webpage Skype Community |
| 05:28.07 | skiburr | it would be great to talking hackers and users alike |
| 05:28.15 | skiburr | *talk to |
| 05:28.42 | milhouse | IIT forums? |
| 05:28.47 | milhouse | ITT even |
| 05:28.59 | skiburr | well, using Skype |
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| 05:29.41 | milhouse | dick: did you change the password during the install? |
| 05:30.41 | dick-richardson | milhouse: i wasn't prompted to do so |
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| 05:31.04 | milhouse | odd, i got prompted to change the root password when installing openssh-server |
| 05:35.09 | jeff1f | Anyone buy a n810 from jr.com? |
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| 05:49.48 | Sherlockat | hello all |
| 05:54.10 | Sherlockat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:58.06 | ShyBoy | hi guys, having problem using apt-get in chinook environment |
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| 05:58.16 | ShyBoy | can someone help please |
| 05:58.16 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > apt-get update |
| 05:58.17 | ShyBoy | Ign file: chinook Release.gpg |
| 05:58.17 | ShyBoy | Ign file: chinook Release |
| 05:58.17 | ShyBoy | 57% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org] |
| 05:58.30 | ShyBoy | it always stuck here for a while and then give the failure msg |
| 06:00.30 | Sherlockat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.47 | Sherlockat | do you have yout application manager on when you do that |
| 06:00.48 | Sherlockat | do you have yout application manager on when you do that |
| 06:00.51 | Sherlockat | ? |
| 06:01.11 | Sherlockat | sorry my keyboard repeats at times |
| 06:01.12 | ShyBoy | i m doing it in chinook environment on my scatchbox |
| 06:01.20 | Sherlockat | ohhh |
| 06:01.22 | Sherlockat | no clue then |
| 06:01.32 | sp3000 | "the failure msg"? |
| 06:01.55 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > apt-get update |
| 06:01.55 | ShyBoy | Ign file: chinook Release.gpg |
| 06:01.55 | ShyBoy | Ign file: chinook Release |
| 06:01.55 | ShyBoy | Err http://repository.maemo.org bora Release.gpg |
| 06:01.55 | ShyBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.56 | ShyBoy | Err http://repository.maemo.org bora Release.gpg |
| 06:01.58 | ShyBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.00 | ShyBoy | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 06:02.03 | ShyBoy | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 06:02.06 | ShyBoy | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:02.08 | ShyBoy | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 06:02.10 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > |
| 06:02.37 | sp3000 | I'm pretty sure the temporary ... line will google to something useful |
| 06:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | ShyBoy, it's called "pastebin". :) |
| 06:02.50 | ShyBoy | which files containts the repository list? |
| 06:03.01 | ShyBoy | when i check the "LS" on /etc/apt/source.list |
| 06:03.09 | ShyBoy | it contains 0 bytes |
| 06:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | sources.list.d |
| 06:03.35 | ShyBoy | ah |
| 06:03.47 | ShyBoy | are those wrong repos....? |
| 06:04.03 | ShyBoy | should I manually put the links ther? |
| 06:05.06 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 06:05.07 | ShyBoy | total 8 |
| 06:05.07 | ShyBoy | drwxr-xr-x 2 maemo maemo 4096 Nov 10 14:21 . |
| 06:05.07 | ShyBoy | drwxr-xr-x 4 maemo maemo 4096 Dec 2 02:57 .. |
| 06:05.07 | ShyBoy | -rw-r--r-- 1 maemo maemo 0 Nov 10 14:21 hildon-application-manager.list |
| 06:05.07 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > |
| 06:05.14 | sp3000 | infobot: resolv.conf? |
| 06:05.15 | infobot | i heard resolv.conf is http://www.stanford.edu/~riepel/dns/Not-localhost.html or http://www.tac.eu.org/cgi-bin/man-cgi?resolv.conf+5 or http://www.ntua.gr/cgi-bin/man-cgi?resolv.conf+4 |
| 06:05.18 | ShyBoy | this one also have 0 bytes |
| 06:05.26 | skiburr | any good usb keyboard for the N800? |
| 06:05.31 | sp3000 | hmm, not a useful factoid |
| 06:05.34 | sp3000 | infobot: bad bot |
| 06:05.35 | infobot | Bad bot, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 06:06.11 | sp3000 | ShyBoy: shove a proper resolv.conf into the scratchbox |
| 06:06.23 | sp3000 | so it can resolve names to ips |
| 06:06.37 | sp3000 | I don't remember if there mifght be another necessary step |
| 06:07.13 | sp3000 | this is a faq but I don't see a neat page for it |
| 06:07.37 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:07.37 | ShyBoy | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:07.37 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > |
| 06:07.54 | ShyBoy | if I change the nameserver to my router's ip, u think it will resolve the issue? |
| 06:08.04 | sp3000 | probably |
| 06:08.43 | sp3000 | you probably have a working resolv.conf outside scratchbox, although a fancily network-configuring setup could do something more complicated |
| 06:10.17 | ShyBoy | but how come in my N800 |
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| 06:10.21 | ShyBoy | i have the same nameserver |
| 06:10.22 | ShyBoy | Nokia-N800-44-4:/etc/apt# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:10.22 | ShyBoy | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:10.22 | ShyBoy | Nokia-N800-44-4:/etc/apt# |
| 06:10.55 | sp3000 | the tablets run their own caching nameserver |
| 06:11.08 | ShyBoy | infact changing the resolv.conf in my chinook_armel also didn't fix the issue |
| 06:11.17 | ShyBoy | i changed it to my router'sip |
| 06:11.51 | ShyBoy | can you please guide me what to do ? |
| 06:13.32 | sp3000 | ShyBoy: <mgedmin>and another trick is to check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf (make sure mdns is not mentioned) |
| 06:13.48 | zerojay | Anyone out there use hellanzb? |
| 06:14.25 | zerojay | I'm considering doing a tablet frontend/remote control for it. |
| 06:15.17 | ShyBoy | the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 06:15.17 | Sherlockat | i have a question |
| 06:15.21 | ShyBoy | contains |
| 06:15.21 | ShyBoy | hosts: files dns |
| 06:15.21 | ShyBoy | networks: files |
| 06:15.21 | ShyBoy | protocols: db files |
| 06:15.21 | ShyBoy | services: db files |
| 06:15.22 | ShyBoy | ethers: db files |
| 06:15.24 | ShyBoy | rpc: db files |
| 06:15.26 | ShyBoy | netgroup: nis |
| 06:15.34 | ShyBoy | should i suppose to have ips? |
| 06:15.35 | zerojay | ShyBoy: Pastebin is your friend. |
| 06:16.08 | sp3000 | I guess that looks ok |
| 06:16.13 | ShyBoy | zerojay: you said that earlier as well, what is pastebin? a user? |
| 06:16.22 | sp3000 | ShyBoy: it's a bin you paste in :) |
| 06:16.29 | zerojay | ShyBoy: I've only said it once. |
| 06:16.32 | sp3000 | infobot: pastebin? |
| 06:16.33 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 06:16.46 | ShyBoy | got it |
| 06:16.49 | ShyBoy | thx zerojay |
| 06:16.56 | zerojay | ShyBoy: No problem. |
| 06:17.35 | Sherlockat | questiopn is there a program that can connect directly tablet to tablet for example like pictochat on the nintendo DS |
| 06:17.48 | Sherlockat | maybe its a silly question but just wondering |
| 06:18.23 | Sherlockat | ohh ok |
| 06:18.30 | ShyBoy | sp3000: the issue I am trying to resolve is, i have automake 1.8 in chinook environment, and I want to install automake 1.9 in it, so i can compile my codes, but somehow can't get it work with apt-get upate, any help will be really appriciated |
| 06:19.04 | sp3000 | still the temporary failure resolving foo? |
| 06:19.13 | ShyBoy | i guess yes |
| 06:19.50 | ShyBoy | the problem is I even can't ping in chinook prompt |
| 06:20.12 | sp3000 | (does it even have a ping?) |
| 06:20.18 | ShyBoy | i badly need to add the repositories in the chinook enviroment, so i can grab the system packages in there |
| 06:20.24 | sp3000 | sure |
| 06:20.37 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > ping google.com |
| 06:20.37 | ShyBoy | bash: ping: command not found |
| 06:20.37 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > |
| 06:20.43 | sp3000 | right :) |
| 06:21.02 | sp3000 | you can reach repository.maemo.org with a browser, right? |
| 06:21.12 | ShyBoy | in my linux box yes |
| 06:21.24 | sp3000 | fixing resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf should fix the resolving issues, I dunno what else to do with that, I've never hit that problem myself I think |
| 06:21.31 | ShyBoy | i don't know how can i check that from scratchbox prompt |
| 06:22.34 | ShyBoy | i got the vmware image, i guess it should have this issue fixed by itself, but looks like either I am doing something wrong or its not there at all |
| 06:23.28 | sp3000 | yeah I meant from the host in general, so it's not some magical dns issue outside sbox as well |
| 06:23.56 | ShyBoy | well, outside the sbox i can ping to google as well as browser opening websites |
| 06:24.06 | ShyBoy | so its something inside the sbox. isn't it? |
| 06:25.11 | sp3000 | you could pastebin the resolv and nsswitch |
| 06:25.36 | sp3000 | and make sure you're editing the ones reachable from the target sbox env |
| 06:26.09 | sp3000 | I can't actually test since my scratchbox drive is having a partition moved for one more hour (it's been going for 7 or so :D) |
| 06:27.36 | ShyBoy | http://pastebin.com/d3cfd5032 |
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| 06:49.26 | SignalN800 | hi guys |
| 06:53.30 | ShyBoy | hi |
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| 07:05.47 | sp3000 | ShyBoy: so, um, that still says 127.0.0.1 |
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| 07:08.07 | ShyBoy | yes, when I changed it to my router's ip |
| 07:08.20 | ShyBoy | there were no effect, so I change it back to 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:09.01 | ShyBoy | infact now, I update it |
| 07:09.04 | ShyBoy | and it have two lines |
| 07:09.05 | ShyBoy | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:09.05 | ShyBoy | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:09.16 | ShyBoy | still no effect |
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| 07:15.42 | truent | anyone know how to obtain the current AP the n800 is associated with? |
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| 07:22.05 | sp3000 | gconf, /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current |
| 07:22.45 | sp3000 | iow, e.g. gconftool --get /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current |
| 07:22.49 | truent | got it |
| 07:22.50 | truent | thanks |
| 07:22.52 | sp3000 | np |
| 07:23.31 | truent | lemme see if that works with a dummy ap ;p |
| 07:24.18 | lopz | bye |
| 07:24.56 | truent | nice |
| 07:25.29 | lopz | zzZzzZzz..!! |
| 07:32.00 | ShyBoy | i grab the deb for dnsmasq |
| 07:32.11 | ShyBoy | how can i install it in scratchbox? |
| 07:43.21 | SignalN800 | guys where i can found osso-bookmark-manu ??? |
| 07:43.54 | SignalN800 | I need it for mozilla based browser... |
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| 07:52.25 | rip__ | from your host system |
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| 07:52.50 | rip__ | have a look at ur /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 07:52.59 | rip__ | if your still having trouble getting apt-get to get to the internet |
| 07:53.15 | rip__ | i've noticed sometimes its not the same as the one you can see from inside your scratchbox install |
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| 07:55.12 | ShyBoy | rip__: i just solved this problem |
| 07:55.27 | ShyBoy | there was a different ip under /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf file |
| 07:55.40 | ShyBoy | i copied the same file from /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:55.44 | ShyBoy | and that resolve the problem |
| 07:55.47 | rip__ | ahh ok cool |
| 07:55.52 | ShyBoy | i am trying to install the automake 1.9 now |
| 07:56.40 | ShyBoy | thx a lot, i got the hint from sp3000 about the /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:56.49 | ShyBoy | great help at the middle of the night :) |
| 07:57.12 | sp3000 | alright :) |
| 07:57.18 | rip__ | :) |
| 07:57.59 | SignalN800 | somebody can help me with osso-bookmark-menu ?? |
| 07:58.14 | SignalN800 | please.. |
| 07:58.51 | SignalN800 | i don't found it |
| 07:59.23 | SignalN800 | and i need it for mozilla based browser |
| 07:59.56 | ShyBoy | i still can't get the automake in my apt-get install |
| 07:59.58 | ShyBoy | E: Package automake has no installation candidate |
| 08:00.12 | ShyBoy | what repo i need to add, in order to install automake? |
| 08:00.36 | SignalN800 | I dunno |
| 08:02.10 | ShyBoy | one more question: when I do the apt-get update, at the end this is what i am getting |
| 08:02.12 | ShyBoy | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 08:02.28 | ShyBoy | specially this one |
| 08:02.28 | ShyBoy | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org chinook Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 08:02.53 | ShyBoy | is there any redpill in chinook environment? |
| 08:03.06 | ShyBoy | like we do enable the red pill mode in N800? |
| 08:04.11 | rip__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.32 | rip__ | for automake1.9 |
| 08:05.27 | ShyBoy | you mean to add this line in my sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free chinook user |
| 08:05.29 | ShyBoy | right? |
| 08:05.36 | ShyBoy | you mean to add this line in my sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free free user |
| 08:05.50 | rip__ | ahh no |
| 08:06.07 | rip__ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 08:06.20 | ShyBoy | cool let me try, thx |
| 08:06.26 | rip__ | add that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:06.37 | kulve | automake should be provided by by scratchbox |
| 08:06.49 | ShyBoy | yes its there but 1.8 |
| 08:06.52 | kulve | to select a certain version, you can set a env variable |
| 08:06.53 | ShyBoy | i need 1.9 |
| 08:07.04 | ShyBoy | hmm dunno that |
| 08:07.05 | ShyBoy | how? |
| 08:07.28 | rip__ | by default automake1.9 isn't installed in chinook SDK |
| 08:07.31 | rip__ | I had to install it |
| 08:07.33 | kulve | grep AUTO /scratchbox/doc/variables.txt |
| 08:07.48 | kulve | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > automake-1.9 --version |
| 08:07.49 | kulve | automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5 |
| 08:07.51 | kulve | rip__: isn't it? |
| 08:08.01 | rip__ | I just installed it about 2 min ago |
| 08:08.25 | rip__ | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 08:08.26 | rip__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.26 | rip__ | 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 08:08.26 | rip__ | Need to get 562kB of archives. |
| 08:09.27 | kulve | it's a different thing to have it as a "host tool" than install it as an armel deb |
| 08:10.14 | rip__ | ahh ok, sorry, I just thought that it would of been part of the packages if it was installed by default |
| 08:10.45 | kulve | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > export SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE=1.9 |
| 08:10.46 | kulve | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > automake --version |
| 08:10.46 | kulve | automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5 |
| 08:11.21 | rip__ | ahh ok my mistake |
| 08:11.35 | ShyBoy | got it installed |
| 08:11.48 | ShyBoy | now when I was compiling the codes, this error came up |
| 08:11.49 | ShyBoy | configure: error: "libspeex header not found" |
| 08:12.18 | kulve | if you have something as a "host tool" it's run as x86 binary instead of being emulated through qemu/sbrsh and it's thus significantly faster |
| 08:12.31 | kulve | ShyBoy: speex? what are you installing? |
| 08:12.52 | ShyBoy | its a library i m trying to install |
| 08:13.02 | ShyBoy | the libseex is available here http://www.speex.org/downloads/ |
| 08:13.12 | kulve | ShyBoy: my ogg-support includes speex |
| 08:13.29 | ShyBoy | so i can just install ogg-support? |
| 08:13.33 | kulve | hmm.. |
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| 08:13.53 | kulve | that will install only the binary, not the -dev. But if you add my repo, there should be the -devs too |
| 08:14.10 | ShyBoy | what is the link? |
| 08:14.10 | kulve | http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:14.36 | ShyBoy | deb http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ free user |
| 08:14.41 | ShyBoy | is that correct? |
| 08:14.42 | kulve | nope |
| 08:14.52 | kulve | that was the home page for ogg-support.. |
| 08:15.09 | ShyBoy | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian |
| 08:15.27 | ShyBoy | deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian chinook maemo |
| 08:15.30 | ShyBoy | right? |
| 08:15.33 | kulve | I think so |
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| 08:22.12 | SignalN800 | how i can solv the public key for http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian ?? |
| 08:22.46 | ShyBoy | what do i do after make install? |
| 08:22.56 | ShyBoy | upto here i am good and no error |
| 08:22.58 | ShyBoy | whats next |
| 08:24.16 | kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt |
| 08:24.31 | kulve | but I'm not sure what's the easiest way to get that to the device (or sb) |
| 08:24.48 | kulve | ShyBoy: so, you got the -dev installed? |
| 08:25.14 | kulve | speex-dev that is |
| 08:25.32 | SignalN800 | tyy man |
| 08:25.41 | ShyBoy | no it was complaining about libogg |
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| 08:25.49 | ShyBoy | i download the sources and compile that |
| 08:25.55 | ShyBoy | until here I did |
| 08:25.58 | kulve | ShyBoy: hmm.. libogg-dev should be there as well |
| 08:25.58 | ShyBoy | make and then make install |
| 08:26.22 | ShyBoy | yes its installing now |
| 08:26.25 | kulve | and with debs you should do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" instead of make/make install |
| 08:26.26 | ShyBoy | forgot that |
| 08:27.05 | kulve | "apt-get builddeb libspeex-dev" should install the build dependencies for package libspeex-dev |
| 08:28.39 | ShyBoy | libogg-dev is there |
| 08:28.50 | ShyBoy | but my source compile is still complaining about |
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| 08:29.04 | ShyBoy | configure: error: "libspeex header not found" |
| 08:31.31 | kulve | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > gpg |
| 08:31.31 | kulve | bash: gpg: command not found |
| 08:31.34 | kulve | :/ |
| 08:33.23 | kulve | ShyBoy: hmm.. what header is it looking for? |
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| 08:34.00 | ShyBoy | checking for expat.h... yes |
| 08:34.00 | ShyBoy | checking speex.h usability... no |
| 08:34.00 | ShyBoy | checking speex.h presence... no |
| 08:34.00 | ShyBoy | checking for speex.h... no |
| 08:34.00 | ShyBoy | configure: error: "libspeex header not found" |
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| 08:34.19 | kulve | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -L libspeex-dev | grep speex.h |
| 08:34.20 | kulve | /usr/include/speex/speex.h |
| 08:34.27 | kulve | do you have that one? |
| 08:34.53 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > dpkg -L libspeex-dev | grep speex.h |
| 08:34.53 | ShyBoy | /usr/include/speex/speex.h |
| 08:34.53 | ShyBoy | /usr/include/speex/speex_header.h |
| 08:34.53 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > |
| 08:35.20 | kulve | hmm.. |
| 08:35.23 | ShyBoy | this command is telling me yes |
| 08:35.35 | kulve | it seems that it should check for speex/speex.h and not just speex.h? |
| 08:36.19 | ShyBoy | so do i have any luck to install this? |
| 08:36.28 | ShyBoy | modify the codes? |
| 08:36.32 | kulve | edit the configure.ac in your package |
| 08:36.39 | kulve | run autogen.sh and try again.. |
| 08:37.06 | ShyBoy | :-) |
| 08:37.08 | kulve | that may not be enough though, if the same thing is repeated in the actual code.. |
| 08:37.09 | ShyBoy | not that expert man |
| 08:37.15 | ShyBoy | how to I run the autogen.sh? |
| 08:37.40 | kulve | your package should have one in its root dir.. |
| 08:37.45 | kulve | i.e.: ./autogen.sh |
| 08:37.49 | ShyBoy | no its not here |
| 08:37.51 | ShyBoy | i tried that |
| 08:38.17 | kulve | autoreconf --force --install |
| 08:38.28 | kulve | my autogen.sh has only that line.. |
| 08:39.13 | ShyBoy | http://pastebin.com/daff6261 |
| 08:39.24 | ShyBoy | kulve i paste the result there |
| 08:39.45 | kulve | those seems to be warnings only |
| 08:39.56 | ShyBoy | ok so whats next then |
| 08:40.10 | ShyBoy | if its only warning then, i guess i can make and make install right? |
| 08:40.23 | kulve | did you run "configure" when you got that speex missing error? |
| 08:40.30 | ShyBoy | yes |
| 08:40.37 | kulve | autogen.sh usually creates configure, so next thing is to run it |
| 08:40.48 | kulve | after running configure, you can run make and make install |
| 08:41.18 | ShyBoy | again got stuck on this |
| 08:41.18 | ShyBoy | checking speex.h usability... no |
| 08:41.19 | ShyBoy | checking speex.h presence... no |
| 08:41.19 | ShyBoy | checking for speex.h... no |
| 08:41.19 | ShyBoy | configure: error: "libspeex header not found" |
| 08:41.19 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > |
| 08:41.22 | ShyBoy | same thing |
| 08:41.36 | kulve | did you edit the configure.ac..? |
| 08:41.52 | ShyBoy | let me try |
| 08:41.56 | ShyBoy | what should i look for? |
| 08:42.00 | kulve | speex.h |
| 08:42.13 | ShyBoy | any particular file? |
| 08:42.19 | kulve | configure.ac |
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| 08:42.47 | ShyBoy | i got configure.in |
| 08:42.52 | ShyBoy | configure.sub |
| 08:42.58 | ShyBoy | not configure.ac |
| 08:43.04 | kulve | if there is no configure.ac, then edit the .in |
| 08:43.41 | ShyBoy | here are the codes |
| 08:43.42 | ShyBoy | http://pastebin.com/d13833a83 |
| 08:43.49 | ShyBoy | but nowhere speex.h |
| 08:44.08 | kulve | AC_CHECK_HEADER(speex.h -> AC_CHECK_HEADER(speex/speex.h |
| 08:44.27 | kulve | bbiam |
| 08:45.01 | ShyBoy | ok |
| 08:45.05 | ShyBoy | did the configure again |
| 08:45.26 | ShyBoy | now this error |
| 08:45.27 | ShyBoy | configure: error: "libspeex header not found" |
| 08:45.38 | ShyBoy | which is same |
| 08:45.49 | ShyBoy | it means that line is on more than one palces |
| 08:52.32 | ShyBoy | i also changed those lines as well |
| 08:52.32 | ShyBoy | #include <speex/speex.h> |
| 08:52.33 | ShyBoy | #include <speex/speex_header.h> |
| 08:52.33 | ShyBoy | #include <speex/speex_stereo.h> |
| 08:52.33 | ShyBoy | #include <speex/speex_callbacks.h> |
| 08:52.41 | kulve | did you run the autoreconf after editing the configure? |
| 08:52.41 | ShyBoy | now, ./configure works fine |
| 08:52.44 | kulve | ah, ok |
| 08:52.48 | ShyBoy | got error on make |
| 08:52.52 | kulve | ah |
| 08:53.22 | ShyBoy | quran.h:33:29: speex_callbacks.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:53.22 | ShyBoy | In file included from globals.c:25: |
| 08:53.22 | ShyBoy | quran.h:177: error: syntax error before "SpeexBits" |
| 08:53.35 | ShyBoy | so the last include which was speex)callbacks.h |
| 08:53.43 | ShyBoy | i think that one is missing somehow |
| 08:53.51 | ShyBoy | am i on the right track? |
| 08:54.03 | kulve | I think so :) |
| 08:54.24 | ShyBoy | anyway to bypass this thing? |
| 08:54.33 | ShyBoy | or to grab this file? |
| 08:55.45 | kulve | where is that quran.h? |
| 08:55.52 | kulve | edit it to have the speex/ too? |
| 08:56.03 | ShyBoy | k |
| 08:56.55 | kulve | the speex subdirectory seems to be correct in old and in new speex versions.. So adding it to the code is the right thing to do, I guess |
| 08:58.18 | ShyBoy | now this error |
| 08:58.19 | ShyBoy | http://pastebin.com/d63cd273 |
| 08:59.25 | kulve | hmm.. |
| 08:59.31 | kulve | that gcc line looks odd.. |
| 08:59.47 | kulve | it should include e.g. ogg, like it does with speex, i.e. -logg.. |
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| 09:00.15 | kulve | that error is because somebody calls that funtion, but the library it's in, is not linked in.. |
| 09:00.30 | kulve | and I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave now.. |
| 09:00.52 | ShyBoy | thx alot kulve i really appricaite your help |
| 09:00.55 | ShyBoy | thx alot |
| 09:00.56 | kulve | np |
| 09:01.01 | ShyBoy | last question before u leave |
| 09:01.13 | ShyBoy | after make install, it will be installed automatically? |
| 09:01.17 | kulve | I think the le_short is not speex-related, maybe ogg.. |
| 09:01.30 | kulve | "installed automatically"? |
| 09:01.46 | ShyBoy | i mean, what do i have to do if i cross this "make install" |
| 09:01.50 | ShyBoy | whast the next step |
| 09:01.58 | kulve | you need to make a .deb from it and install that to the device (with all the dependencies) |
| 09:01.59 | ShyBoy | will it give me the .deb file? |
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| 09:02.17 | ShyBoy | what is the command to make .deb? |
| 09:02.22 | kulve | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot makes a .deb if you have proper /debian directory in your package |
| 09:02.33 | ShyBoy | k, thx man |
| 09:02.39 | ShyBoy | appricaite your help, thx alot |
| 09:02.44 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html |
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| 09:02.49 | ShyBoy | cool |
| 09:04.38 | K`zan | Night folks. |
| 09:06.12 | kulve | I just woke up.. |
| 09:06.32 | hugolp | kulve: me too |
| 09:06.35 | hugolp | good morning |
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| 09:12.48 | ShyBoy | ok, i finally get rid of the errors and make install didn't giv eme any error |
| 09:13.18 | ShyBoy | but now its giving me this |
| 09:13.19 | ShyBoy | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 09:13.19 | ShyBoy | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 09:13.40 | ShyBoy | my command was dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 09:32.38 | rocketman | Anyone got a build of Xchat that will run on OS 2008? |
| 09:32.56 | rocketman | The ones that I've seen seem to require libraries that have been deprecated |
| 09:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
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| 09:37.01 | rocketman | Thanks a bunch! |
| 09:37.03 | rip__ | yep im currently using skyhusker's xchat for OS2008, works pretty well |
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| 09:38.31 | rocketman | I know that people have probably ported a lot of stuff and just haven't released it formally yet |
| 09:38.36 | rocketman | Any other hidden gems? |
| 09:39.18 | rip__ | yes im chasing wireless-tools for OS2008 |
| 09:39.28 | rip__ | thats the gem i'm currently looking for |
| 09:39.39 | rip__ | and can't currently get MUD to build it |
| 09:41.49 | ShyBoy | can someone help me with this |
| 09:41.54 | ShyBoy | i m here rightnow |
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| 09:42.00 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > ./config.status |
| 09:42.00 | ShyBoy | config.status: creating Makefile |
| 09:42.00 | ShyBoy | config.status: creating config.h |
| 09:42.00 | ShyBoy | config.status: config.h is unchanged |
| 09:42.01 | ShyBoy | config.status: executing depfiles commands |
| 09:42.01 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > |
| 09:42.14 | rocketman | I suspect Mullinger.org will probably have wireless-tools for n810 shortly |
| 09:42.25 | rocketman | http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/repository/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ |
| 09:42.28 | ShyBoy | when i run |
| 09:42.31 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 09:42.31 | ShyBoy | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 09:42.31 | ShyBoy | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 09:42.31 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > |
| 09:42.32 | rocketman | mulliner, rather |
| 09:42.44 | ShyBoy | what i m missing here? |
| 09:43.17 | ShyBoy | rocketman: the wireless-tools are in repo... if you switch to redpill mode |
| 09:43.50 | rocketman | Ah, in extras or something? |
| 09:44.08 | rocketman | I am more of a why didn't I just swallow the blue pill kinda guy |
| 09:44.11 | ShyBoy | i think in extras, not sure, but i installed it last night |
| 09:44.39 | rocketman | could you export the .deb for us? |
| 09:44.51 | ShyBoy | if you tell me how :) |
| 09:45.55 | rocketman | Doesn't apt cache debs by default? |
| 09:46.02 | ShyBoy | the complete name is "wireless-tools28-1.osso1" |
| 09:46.41 | ShyBoy | i don't know that |
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| 09:47.15 | rocketman | Might be something like /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:47.29 | rocketman | sec, will search for it on my n810 |
| 09:47.50 | rip__ | weird, im on the command line of apt and can't see the wireless-tools28-1.osso1 |
| 09:48.05 | rip__ | you really have to be in red-pill mode to see all of them even in command line ? |
| 09:48.23 | rip__ | I thought red-pill only hid them from the gui package manager |
| 09:48.47 | ShyBoy | I think redpill show the hidden in gui application manager |
| 09:49.10 | rocketman | not finding any stored debs in /var/cache/apt/archives although the directory exists |
| 09:49.37 | ShyBoy | rocketman: same here |
| 09:50.40 | hugolp | rocketman: maybe in the N800 the deb files get deleted to save space? |
| 09:50.47 | rip__ | I can see the libs for wireless-tools |
| 09:51.05 | rip__ | but not the actual package that gives 'iwconfig' etc |
| 09:52.13 | ShyBoy | i don't know about that |
| 09:52.30 | ShyBoy | i saw the wirelesstools in my application manager, so i just point that out |
| 09:52.34 | rocketman | I found some |
| 09:52.53 | rocketman | I did "find / -name *deb" |
| 09:53.00 | rocketman | and found them in var/tmp/ |
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| 09:54.31 | ShyBoy | Nokia-N800-44-4:/var/tmp# ls -al |
| 09:54.31 | ShyBoy | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 0 Dec 1 17:19 . |
| 09:54.31 | ShyBoy | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 .. |
| 09:54.31 | ShyBoy | Nokia-N800-44-4:/var/tmp# |
| 09:54.53 | rocketman | This is on an N810 btw |
| 09:55.04 | rocketman | try doing the search I did above |
| 09:55.06 | ShyBoy | mine is on n800 with os2008 |
| 09:55.10 | rocketman | might be located elsewhere |
| 09:55.20 | rocketman | Might also only be .deb files since last reboot |
| 09:55.22 | rocketman | or some such |
| 09:55.44 | rocketman | wouldn't surprise me if there is some script which culls .debs and man pages and the like |
| 09:57.29 | ShyBoy | is there a way to dpkg-buildpackage if have no changelog? |
| 09:58.22 | rocketman | brb, switching to my n810 |
| 09:58.35 | rip__ | check out the program called 'Mud' |
| 09:58.57 | rip__ | its designed to help build packages for Maemo from source files or from debian apt-get repository |
| 09:59.24 | rip__ | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 09:59.41 | rip__ | I just used it to create OLSRD, and OLSRD-PLUGINS for my Maemo |
| 09:59.42 | ShyBoy | thx |
| 10:01.05 | hugolp | Anyone is using mysql on OS2008? |
| 10:01.24 | hugolp | Im trying the debs from the Gmyth project but I get 1 error |
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| 10:01.37 | rip__ | nope sorry |
| 10:01.37 | hugolp | *MaemoMyth project |
| 10:02.02 | Rocketman | On my n810 now |
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| 10:03.09 | android | hi! |
| 10:03.13 | rip__ | :) |
| 10:03.14 | rip__ | hi |
| 10:04.04 | android | hey, I need libbz2-1.0 for OS2008, do you know where I can found it? |
| 10:04.39 | android | OS2008 is great, I use it on my N800 |
| 10:07.35 | rip__ | its already installed on the OS2008 Beta for N800 I beleive |
| 10:07.46 | rip__ | well, its installed on mine and I don't remember installing it |
| 10:08.47 | rip__ | but if your just after the deb |
| 10:08.50 | rip__ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/b/bzip2/libbz2-1.0_1.0.3-1_armel.deb |
| 10:09.26 | android | ok thank you |
| 10:09.38 | rip__ | np |
| 10:10.32 | Rocketman | Ah looks like you can get wireless tools deb from that repository |
| 10:12.52 | rip__ | from the standard maemo repository ? |
| 10:13.28 | ShyBoy | time to sleep 5:13AM |
| 10:13.43 | ShyBoy | good nite |
| 10:13.57 | rip__ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wireless-tools/ |
| 10:14.02 | rip__ | only the libs are available |
| 10:14.05 | rip__ | :( |
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| 10:14.34 | rip__ | and I can't seem to build it with MUD either, which is a shame |
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| 10:14.52 | Rocketman | doh, you are right! |
| 10:15.20 | android | rip, please how can I add this repository to my system? |
| 10:15.52 | rip__ | err what repository ? |
| 10:16.03 | rip__ | the maemo ones ? |
| 10:16.13 | rip__ | use ur package manager in OS2008 |
| 10:16.25 | rip__ | im pretty sure there is doco on it on maemo |
| 10:16.47 | android | I added http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free, but it dont works |
| 10:18.10 | rip__ | you can one click install them with this website |
| 10:18.12 | rip__ | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 10:18.32 | rip__ | have a read of the different repositorys and select ones you like |
| 10:18.37 | rip__ | it was a life saver for me :) |
| 10:20.17 | android | yes but there is no repository for chinook |
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| 10:21.30 | Yusei | hi |
| 10:21.53 | android | sorry , just have to click on OS2008 |
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| 10:22.56 | Yusei | I've just installed the beta release of os2008, and most things seem to work.. except that the browser crashes when I'm going to maemo, in order to download additional software... is this a known bug ? |
| 10:23.17 | Yusei | it's kind of ironic that every other website I tried worked :) |
| 10:25.38 | android | Yusei, I dont have this problem |
| 10:26.57 | Yusei | maybe restoring parameters from a backup of os2007 had a side effect |
| 10:27.59 | android | it's possible, I dont use the restoring tool |
| 10:28.54 | Yusei | I'll try to look into that. What is the proper way to report a bug, if I find anything interesting ? |
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| 10:32.59 | hugolp | Yusei: I did the same as you yesterday and maemo webpage semms fine |
| 10:33.16 | hugolp | the webbrowser hasnt crash a single time |
| 10:33.17 | Yusei | including the download section ? |
| 10:33.41 | Rocketman | I've had numerous problems when restoring backups after a flash |
| 10:34.07 | Rocketman | Clean flashing is the only way to go imo |
| 10:34.26 | Yusei | I'll flash it again and see, then |
| 10:34.29 | Yusei | thanks |
| 10:40.08 | Yusei | it works after a reflash, thanks |
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| 10:40.51 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 10:43.44 | hugolp | for the ones that were looking for a wifi tool for OS2008 in the aderenen.de repository listed at http://gronmayer.com/it theres a packet called wifi info. Havent tried, but you may want to check. |
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| 10:49.56 | rip__ | android : http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 10:49.59 | rip__ | that is chinook |
| 10:50.00 | rip__ | OS2008 |
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| 11:17.26 | glass_ | hehe yeah that would be fun |
| 11:17.49 | glass_ | are any of the ultima underworld engines finished enough that they're playable? |
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| 11:26.43 | pupnik_ | no |
| 11:26.45 | pupnik_ | :( |
| 11:27.09 | pupnik_ | wish someone would do one based on the quake engine |
| 11:27.33 | glass_ | hmm yeah i guess no point in inventing the actual engine itself again |
| 11:27.51 | glass_ | 3d engine that is |
| 11:28.08 | pupnik_ | there are a couple with working 3d engines - just the game mechanics aren't finished |
| 11:28.18 | pupnik_ | and i doubt those 3d engines are as efficient as quake |
| 11:28.22 | glass_ | yea thats what i read last time i looked into |
| 11:28.51 | pupnik_ | what a wonderful company Id software is - open sourcing their games, supporting linux and OpenGL |
| 11:29.34 | glass_ | uw's could be pretty playable with touchscreen+some buttons tho |
| 11:29.43 | [pablo] | anyone know why maemo launcher uses up so much memory? |
| 11:31.06 | [pablo] | after a fresh boot running nothing but an xterm my n810 is swapping already |
| 11:37.51 | pupnik_ | glass_: any thoughts on why xkbd virtual doesn't send keyboard events to SDL apps when they're in fullscreen mode, but it does when they're not fullscreen? |
| 11:38.12 | Rocketman | If you run top you will find a ton of stuff running |
| 11:38.42 | Rocketman | they really need to put 256MB in these things |
| 11:38.58 | [pablo] | i did, maemo-launcher was using 25% of my ram |
| 11:39.29 | [pablo] | it also starts a bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be started, like the mediaplayer-ui |
| 11:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't worry about it taking up memory. |
| 11:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | If something needs memory, it will get it. |
| 11:43.57 | pupnik_ | so much to do, so little skillz |
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| 11:44.26 | [pablo] | i was downloading a file and it died because there was not enough ram heh |
| 11:44.29 | [pablo] | i never noticed before |
| 11:44.55 | pupnik_ | ram takes battery power |
| 11:45.28 | [pablo] | .. |
| 11:46.45 | pupnik_ | so Nokia N9x0 might have more than 128MB. Not sure. If they want to allow OpenGL, then they damn well better put 256MB in the thing, and use a thicker battery if needed. |
| 11:47.25 | pupnik_ | on the other hand slim devices = sexy |
| 11:47.50 | pupnik_ | many tradeoffs in a portable computer |
| 11:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | There's no way the RAM isn't going up with the N900 |
| 11:49.30 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 11:49.40 | pupnik_ | my first portable: |
| 11:49.42 | pupnik_ | http://www.silicium.org/ibm/z171.htm |
| 11:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | Slimness is overrated |
| 11:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have my SD slots. |
| 11:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my first (second hand) portable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIc_Plus |
| 11:51.08 | [pablo] | yeah, slimness is overrated as well I think |
| 11:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | If it fits in my pocket |
| 11:51.53 | pupnik_ | NICE! i have a IIc too :) found it in a basement |
| 11:52.13 | [pablo] | make the n810 1/3rd thicker and 50% taller/wider you get bigger screen, larger keys, bigger battery, more horsepower, same battery life ... sounds good to me |
| 11:52.50 | GeneralAntilles | 50% taller/wider? |
| 11:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | How big are your pockets? O_o |
| 11:52.59 | khertan | my first portable : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable |
| 11:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | taller and wider are bad |
| 11:53.10 | [pablo] | cargo pockets =) |
| 11:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | thicker is fine |
| 11:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | I could deal just fine with something as thick as the N800's hump. |
| 11:53.24 | rip__ | cargo pants ? |
| 11:53.30 | rip__ | what are you a hippy :p |
| 11:53.37 | rip__ | mull pockets ;) |
| 11:53.45 | [pablo] | no, i just carry lots of shit lol |
| 11:53.49 | rip__ | lol |
| 11:53.51 | [pablo] | mull pockets? |
| 11:54.04 | [pablo] | and omg cargo pants are so comfortable |
| 11:54.12 | [pablo] | and i can get away with them at work |
| 11:54.17 | [pablo] | i'm a huge fan |
| 11:54.20 | rip__ | cargo pant pockets = mull pockets :p to hide the dope in |
| 11:54.32 | pupnik_ | nice khertan |
| 11:54.36 | [pablo] | lol |
| 11:54.51 | khertan | maybe this : http://www.dockers.com/mobilepant/mobile_locator.html |
| 11:54.59 | [pablo] | and even still, who says it has to be a pocketable device? |
| 11:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | My IIc+ is in a landfill somewhere, along with a 128k and a Mac IIci. :( |
| 11:55.11 | GeneralAntilles | Dad went on a rampage and threw out all my old machines in 2002. |
| 11:55.32 | khertan | i still have my IIsi and my macplus :) |
| 11:55.35 | [pablo] | and 50% wider is only like 2.5 inches |
| 11:55.42 | [pablo] | that would make it as long as the nokia e90 |
| 11:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 11:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | No thanks |
| 11:56.00 | khertan | do u know that minivmac run on n800 :) |
| 11:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | I have to keep this thing in a pocket with my cellphone and (sometimes) a bluetooth GPS |
| 11:56.20 | khertan | u can run system up to macos 7 :) |
| 11:56.21 | GeneralAntilles | wider and taller are not options. |
| 11:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad I don't have any reason to, khertan. ;) |
| 11:56.52 | [pablo] | for me they are better options =) |
| 11:57.16 | pupnik_ | some older people would buy larger tablets, for readability - but i don't think it's a big enough market yet |
| 11:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | Buy yourself one of those new ASUS doohickies, then. |
| 11:57.34 | [pablo] | the eee is to big |
| 11:57.43 | [pablo] | and for as big as it is it should have way more horsepower |
| 11:58.01 | [pablo] | and a higher resolution than the n810 |
| 11:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | No, not the Eee |
| 11:58.23 | [pablo] | not the eee? |
| 11:58.34 | [pablo] | asus came out with another portable computer? |
| 11:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | Let me find it. |
| 12:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11993 |
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| 12:01.29 | khertan | 1024 x 600 screen |
| 12:01.38 | khertan | 4.8-inch |
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| 12:01.46 | [pablo] | seems a good screen, but it runs window s=/ |
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| 12:01.56 | [pablo] | s/screen/size |
| 12:02.07 | konttori | hi. |
| 12:02.19 | konttori | how do I define the 'big' icon in the .desktop file? |
| 12:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | 'morning, konttori. |
| 12:02.30 | konttori | morning general |
| 12:02.44 | khertan | no wifi no bluetooth but this : 3G/ 3.5G connectivity |
| 12:02.45 | khertan | burk |
| 12:03.22 | [pablo] | it doesn't have wifi or bluetooth? |
| 12:03.22 | konttori | I put 64x64 icon as the default icon, but that was just scaled down to the 26x26 size that is the 'small icon' size |
| 12:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | A bigger screen would be nice, but it would put it out of the IT range and into the UMPC range. |
| 12:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | and I don't think a full-face screen makes sense for the NITs. |
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| 12:05.27 | konttori | any ideas on how to get the full size icon? |
| 12:05.38 | konttori | does it just have to be specific size or something like that? |
| 12:06.08 | GNUton | Hi |
| 12:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | Can you poke one of the .desktop files of an app with a full size icon? |
| 12:09.26 | pupnik_ | hah just looked at the htc shift with x86 cpu - 2.5 hours battery while editing text |
| 12:09.55 | pupnik_ | konttori: sorry no |
| 12:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 12:10.12 | konttori | maemopadplus has: Icon=maemopadplus |
| 12:10.12 | konttori | X-Window-Icon=maemopadplus |
| 12:10.12 | konttori | X-Window-Icon-Dimmed=maemopadplus |
| 12:10.30 | konttori | So, I'll try out setting the x-window-icon |
| 12:14.58 | konttori | nope, wasn't that. |
| 12:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | Try matching the image file to the maemopadplus image file? |
| 12:17.47 | konttori | hmm... maybe I have the png in the wrong location. I put it to pixmaps. |
| 12:17.58 | konttori | is there alternative location that it should be in? |
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| 12:24.59 | konttori | ok, I copied the icon to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/apps/64x64 ... Resulted in.... no change whatsoever. damn. |
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| 12:26.06 | glass_ | pupnik_: "the always on mobile computer" |
| 12:27.04 | glass_ | oh it was "always connected" not "on |
| 12:27.09 | pupnik_ | I'm a warrior for arm+linux against x86+windows |
| 12:27.12 | pupnik_ | heh |
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| 12:30.54 | konttori | correction: the 64x64 copying seemed to have fixed the problem. |
| 12:31.21 | konttori | So, there should be an icon in the 64x64 for aplication to have the large icon |
| 12:34.55 | pupnik | konttori: where is such a large icon displayed? Are you porting to os2008? |
| 12:35.10 | konttori | it's displayed in the task launcher |
| 12:35.23 | konttori | yeah, it's for the os2008 |
| 12:36.19 | pupnik | ok |
| 12:36.50 | khertan | konttori: thx for the information ! i'll not search when i ll make the next release of PyGTKEditor and PyPackager :) |
| 12:37.08 | khertan | does someone use PyGTKEditor ? |
| 12:37.32 | konttori | I think some do. and it should be really useful with n810 that has the kb |
| 12:37.43 | konttori | it's really viable to develop on the device itself with the kb |
| 12:37.53 | konttori | pypackager rocks |
| 12:38.19 | khertan | i ll already develop without keyboard ;) PyPackager and PyGTKEditor is developped onboard :) |
| 12:38.32 | khertan | "pypackager rocks" > Thanks |
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| 12:39.02 | khertan | but when i ll get my discounted n810 i think i ll develop faster :) |
| 12:39.05 | konttori | it would be really cool if it could do the last step as well (upload to extras) |
| 12:39.34 | khertan | konttori: i 'm studying this ... but dput isn't available on n800 ... |
| 12:39.47 | konttori | maybe someone can compile it for you |
| 12:40.12 | khertan | and i think i should take a look on the source code to see how it's work |
| 12:40.28 | khertan | maybe someone can compile it for you > it would be great :) |
| 12:40.48 | khertan | it's raining again and again outdoor ... pfffff |
| 12:41.33 | pupnik | a nice drawing / sketching app would be good to have |
| 12:41.44 | pupnik | if anyone is looking for a project to catapult them to fame and fortune |
| 12:41.48 | pupnik | mtpaint |
| 12:41.48 | pupnik | :) |
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| 12:42.28 | pupnik | i think i'll write the mtpaint author again and demand he buy a n770-n810 |
| 12:43.44 | khertan | i need to reproduce debsign too to be able to upload package to extra repository |
| 12:45.52 | khertan | What i don't understand well in the uploading to extra repository process is why you must sign a .change file and why you upload this change file instead of the debian package |
| 12:48.07 | khertan | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html |
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| 12:51.48 | kulve | uploading the .changes, it will upload the sources and all the binary packages |
| 12:51.50 | kulve | (afaik) |
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| 12:52.14 | khertan | yes .... but what contain this .change ... |
| 12:52.23 | khertan | i only create .deb with pypackager |
| 12:52.47 | khertan | is there a documentation somewhere of the structure of this .change ? |
| 12:52.58 | kulve | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot should build all the necessary files |
| 12:53.05 | kulve | including the .changes |
| 12:53.21 | khertan | dpkg-buildpackage isn't available on the it ... |
| 12:53.31 | khertan | it s why i ve created pypackager |
| 12:53.32 | kulve | "on the it"? |
| 12:53.58 | kulve | you mean on the device itself? |
| 12:54.00 | khertan | the purpose is to add a feature to upload package on extra from the internet tablet :) |
| 12:54.11 | khertan | kulve: on the device itself yes :) |
| 12:54.14 | kulve | that sounds a bit painful.. |
| 12:54.26 | khertan | no ... pypackager work very well :) |
| 12:54.47 | kulve | no it doesn't, if it doesn't do proper packages to be uploaded.. |
| 12:54.48 | khertan | it s painfull for onboard developper to not be able to upload their package ... |
| 12:55.28 | khertan | <kulve> no it doesn't, if it doesn't do proper packages to be uploaded.. << for the moment ... it's why i'm studying this :) |
| 12:55.48 | khertan | for the moment pypackager build .deb packet |
| 12:56.33 | khertan | so i think i should get a look on the .change file structure generated with dpkg-buildpackage ... |
| 12:59.42 | hpg101 | hi all. yesterday someone told me of a clock applet for the n800 os2007 which puts a live clock somewhere on the "desktop". anyone know what repository that applet may be in? |
| 13:00.20 | kulve | hpg101: is that somehow different from the one that comes with the os2007? |
| 13:00.30 | kulve | i.e. there's one clock there already.. |
| 13:00.55 | khertan | hpg101: not the default installed with os2008 ? |
| 13:01.54 | hpg101 | i was looking for an applet that puts up a live time icon, so i can see it while working with other apps |
| 13:02.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, toolbar. |
| 13:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one. |
| 13:02.49 | hpg101 | a toolbar clock app would be ok |
| 13:02.53 | alterego | Not for OS2008 it isn't ;) |
| 13:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is irrelevant here. |
| 13:03.22 | GeneralAntilles | I saw a screenshot with osso-statusbar-cpu running on OS2008, anyway. |
| 13:03.38 | alterego | Yeah, it requires you to install hildon-libs O_O |
| 13:04.01 | hpg101 | i'm new to the n800. should i just wait for os2008 |
| 13:04.08 | alterego | It's in the repository but the package is broken. |
| 13:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | hpg101, a "desktop" "applet" would only be visible while you're at the home screen with no apps showing. |
| 13:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | You want something to go in the toolbar with the brightness/audio settings, battery, etc. |
| 13:05.43 | kulve | the statusbar plugin api has changed for os2008, but it has os2007 compability lib (iirc), which requires only couple of small changes to the code |
| 13:06.16 | kulve | main configure.ac check and include paths in source files |
| 13:06.19 | kulve | +ly |
| 13:06.48 | alterego | kulve, yes. There is a legacy plugin loader. I'm not denying that the package might work. But it's showing hildon-libs as a dependency in an OS2008 repository. Which in my mind is completely broken :P |
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| 13:07.11 | kulve | yeah, that's one of the small changes that should be made.. |
| 13:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | Aha. |
| 13:07.19 | alterego | :) |
| 13:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | k-chow, alterego! |
| 13:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/osso-statusbar-cpu/ |
| 13:07.30 | hpg101 | toolbar, status area, switcher area - i'm flexible |
| 13:07.50 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, is that a fully working package? |
| 13:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | Notice the k-chow. ;) |
| 13:08.20 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, it'd be nice if they put _that_ one in maemo extras repository then ;) |
| 13:08.24 | khertan | hum ... dpkg-deb --build and dpkg-buildpackage don't do the same things ? |
| 13:08.26 | kulve | alterego: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.10), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.74), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.12-1osso3), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.10.12-0osso15), libhildon1 (>= 1.0.11), libhildondesktop0 (>= 1:2.0.2-1), libosso1 (>= 2.13), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.16.4), libxml2 |
| 13:08.35 | GeneralAntilles | I guess it's not official. |
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| 13:08.43 | kulve | looks like proper chinook deps |
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| 13:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | One thing that sucks about Dvorak: w is next to v |
| 13:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | "Notes: Official version is not available yet" |
| 13:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | From the ITT wiki. |
| 13:09.34 | alterego | kulve, those aren't the deps I see in the package in my application installer .. |
| 13:09.43 | khertan | For information an unofficial python binding for hildondesktop should be available next week :) |
| 13:09.51 | kulve | alterego: I downloaded that to my etch and checked with dpkg --info |
| 13:10.08 | alterego | kulve, downloaded what? The package GeneralAntilles posted? |
| 13:10.13 | kulve | yeah |
| 13:10.24 | alterego | Well of course the deps in that one are going to work. |
| 13:10.36 | alterego | I'm saying the one in the extras repo is broken .. |
| 13:10.45 | kulve | don't use it then |
| 13:10.53 | alterego | Erm .. I'm not .. |
| 13:11.05 | hpg101 | can someone remind me how to intall deb packages, i come from the rh yum world |
| 13:11.05 | khertan | i'm so boring to use dpkg-buildpackage that i ll make a enemy territory party ... |
| 13:11.11 | alterego | Hell, I couldn't if I wanted to :P |
| 13:11.18 | alterego | hpg101, click on it. |
| 13:11.20 | khertan | dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 13:11.36 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 13:11.41 | hpg101 | thankx |
| 13:11.51 | hpg101 | that's thanks |
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| 13:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a global setting somewhere to change to 12-hour time in stuff like osso-statusbar-cpu and FBReader? |
| 13:16.37 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, this is Lunix remember :P |
| 13:17.11 | kulve | in linux there is, I don't know about about that plugin or the fbreader |
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| 14:44.04 | b0unc3 | hi |
| 14:46.17 | b0unc3 | nfs-modules are disposable for OS2008 ? |
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| 15:00.27 | Segnale007 | guys |
| 15:00.39 | Segnale007 | I have do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:00.42 | Segnale007 | and now |
| 15:00.50 | Segnale007 | my n800 is down :( |
| 15:00.58 | Segnale007 | why ? |
| 15:01.24 | Segnale007 | How can restore it ? |
| 15:01.30 | Segnale007 | How can reset it ? |
| 15:01.33 | Segnale007 | ;_; |
| 15:03.29 | pupnik | don't do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:03.36 | Segnale007 | :/ |
| 15:03.37 | pupnik | reflash |
| 15:03.45 | Segnale007 | how can do it ? |
| 15:03.50 | Segnale007 | now seem dead |
| 15:03.54 | Segnale007 | ;_; |
| 15:04.41 | pupnik | use the flasher |
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| 15:05.20 | Segnale007 | what flasher ? |
| 15:05.26 | Segnale007 | I don't know what is it |
| 15:05.29 | Segnale007 | is a tool ? |
| 15:05.36 | Segnale007 | where I can found it ? |
| 15:05.43 | Segnale007 | sorry .. I'm noob |
| 15:06.11 | pupnik | google |
| 15:06.45 | hugolp | Segnale007: at maemo.org youll find the flasher |
| 15:06.57 | Segnale007 | okk |
| 15:07.00 | Segnale007 | ty |
| 15:08.37 | Segnale007 | I wanna upgrade it a os2008 |
| 15:09.00 | Segnale007 | I have thought |
| 15:09.20 | Segnale007 | if do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:09.32 | Segnale007 | I up it to os2008 |
| 15:09.33 | Segnale007 | lol |
| 15:09.38 | zerojay | Hint: DON'T USE apt-get! |
| 15:09.39 | Segnale007 | sorry about that |
| 15:09.49 | Segnale007 | why ? |
| 15:09.59 | zerojay | Well, you just saw why. :) |
| 15:10.04 | Segnale007 | hahaha |
| 15:10.32 | zerojay | The next major revision of the OS will allow major updates to be done through packages... no more reflashing. |
| 15:10.52 | Segnale007 | ok |
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| 15:14.09 | pupnik | hi Segnale007 no you have to upgrade with flasher |
| 15:14.23 | pupnik | but i do not recommend you upgrade to 2008 yet |
| 15:14.42 | Segnale007 | k |
| 15:14.44 | Segnale007 | but |
| 15:14.50 | Segnale007 | I don't found the tool |
| 15:15.29 | Segnale007 | I have found it |
| 15:15.31 | Segnale007 | sorry |
| 15:15.32 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage |
| 15:15.48 | pupnik | http://www.maemo.org/downloads/d3.php |
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| 15:16.08 | pupnik | http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/main/1,2836,770,00.html |
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| 15:17.18 | Segnale007 | ty |
| 15:19.14 | Segnale007 | I have a mac |
| 15:19.40 | Segnale007 | but I can see there is for a n770 flasher for mac |
| 15:19.50 | Segnale007 | flasher.macosx128060flasher utility (MacOS X on PPC) for the Nokia 770 |
| 15:19.59 | lopz | hola |
| 15:20.33 | Segnale007 | hi lopz |
| 15:21.28 | lopz | hey Segnale007 |
| 15:28.13 | Segnale007 | but |
| 15:28.23 | Segnale007 | this is for 770 a 800 ? |
| 15:28.25 | Segnale007 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ |
| 15:28.32 | Segnale007 | or is good for 800 too ? |
| 15:29.51 | pupnik | hmm |
| 15:30.10 | oil_ | jes. first step to introduce n800 to our car in a good way has been done. I installed ukmp with loads of music which my wife in memorycard. then used an cheap fm-transmitter so that we were able to play the music from the car steroes. |
| 15:30.50 | pupnik | Segnale007: sorry i don't know :( There *should* be a flasher for 800 - maybe the wiki is just outdated |
| 15:31.18 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 15:31.20 | oil_ | she liked it. next step is to get maps for thailand and use navigation on it. then again. need to do modification to the car stereo so that there would be input for 3.5mm plug. |
| 15:31.38 | Segnale007 | this is for N770 to N800 |
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| 15:32.45 | lardman | "morning" |
| 15:33.29 | pupnik | greets lardman |
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| 15:34.22 | pupnik | 15:31 <+amcoolbot_> Linux Internet tablets gain WiFi login agent - Linux Devices - Nov 29, 2007 |
| 15:34.25 | pupnik | 15:31 <+amcoolbot_> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/200711201046NS2209272867.ht |
| 15:34.26 | pupnik | m |
| 15:34.36 | pupnik | l |
| 15:35.05 | lardman | Boingo is US only though isn't it? |
| 15:35.47 | pupnik | dunno |
| 15:38.21 | oil_ | boingo has a monthly fee for wlan access? |
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| 15:38.28 | shacka1 | hi lardman |
| 15:38.48 | GeneralAntilles | Segnale007, flasher-2.0.macosx or aflegg's 770Flasher will work. |
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| 15:40.22 | lardman | hi shacka1 |
| 15:41.00 | shacka1 | lardman, I tried looking at that function yesterday, needless to say it was 3am for me too :) |
| 15:41.19 | lardman | objdump? |
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| 15:41.43 | lardman | I used aqualung to process it |
| 15:42.20 | lardman | There's actually a function in the calling chain between module_init and that one, I should take a look at it and see whether it makes any difference |
| 15:44.05 | shacka1 | yahoo sez it's an ida plugin for arm, doesn't ida do arm already? |
| 15:44.33 | lardman | yes, but it produces nicer more readable output |
| 15:44.40 | lardman | from the assembly output |
| 15:45.14 | lardman | anyway, there's not much in it really, the asm is ok |
| 15:45.26 | shacka1 | cool, I tried to fed ida the kernel headers to have prototypes and argument matching, but it choked badly |
| 15:46.30 | lardman | the kernel functions aren't a big issue as there aren't that many extern calls |
| 15:46.47 | lardman | working out the parameters for the internal functions would be good though |
| 15:47.13 | shacka1 | that too |
| 15:47.19 | lardman | but the abi is fairly straight forward afaik, so it's just a case of remembering what was where |
| 15:47.43 | lardman | tho that fn from yesterday is confusing |
| 15:48.24 | shacka1 | it is |
| 15:48.35 | shacka1 | like, that label put into R1 |
| 15:49.21 | lardman | I see the calls into the large function (name escapes me atm as I'm running Linux and that's all in WinXP) use bl, which sets the link register, and assuming there's no use for the stack it ought to work I think |
| 15:51.05 | shacka1 | so, R1 should be the first parameter or the last? |
| 15:51.34 | shacka1 | (I guess the former, put it doesn't seem to point to a string) |
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| 15:52.55 | lardman | R0 should be the first |
| 15:53.10 | lardman | R0 is also the return value |
| 15:53.38 | shacka1 | mm, and it's not touched, so the name is set by the caller, yeah |
| 15:53.57 | lardman | yep, it's passed straight through that intermediate fn |
| 15:54.22 | shacka1 | this makes R1 the mode, but I haven't looked up the mode_t definition |
| 15:54.28 | lardman | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-96054c6cb4209b4a589e645dd50ac0fe133b8ced |
| 15:54.50 | lardman | mode_t is rather a large structure, and it looks like R1 points to a short with a value of 4 |
| 15:55.14 | lardman | mode_t is passed by reference anyway, so it should be an address |
| 15:55.53 | lardman | that url above is for system calls, but the same appears to hold true for function calls - I made some test fns |
| 15:56.24 | Segnale007 | lol |
| 15:56.25 | Segnale007 | Macintosh:Desktop MacBook$ sudo ./flasher.macosx -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 15:56.26 | Segnale007 | Password: |
| 15:56.26 | Segnale007 | sudo: unable to execute ./flasher.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable |
| 15:56.28 | Segnale007 | maybe |
| 15:56.35 | Segnale007 | because I have macintel ? |
| 15:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | Try 770Flasher |
| 15:56.45 | Segnale007 | but |
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| 15:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any input as to whether Fanoush's blest script might be (easily) shoehorned into a statusbar applet? |
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| 15:56.59 | Segnale007 | I have n800 |
| 15:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know. :) |
| 15:57.09 | Segnale007 | ah ok |
| 15:57.18 | lardman | will the static flasher-3.0 not work? |
| 15:57.31 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows |
| 15:57.35 | GeneralAntilles | but the 770Flasher will. |
| 15:57.46 | Segnale007 | uhm |
| 15:57.52 | lardman | is 770flasher for the mac? |
| 15:57.58 | Segnale007 | I need an id of the n770 |
| 15:58.04 | Segnale007 | for download 770flasher |
| 15:58.15 | Segnale007 | ;_; |
| 15:58.21 | lardman | Segnale007: or try 0xffff, should be able to compile it on your mac |
| 15:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bleb.org/software/770#770Flasher |
| 15:58.35 | Segnale007 | what ? |
| 15:58.43 | Segnale007 | I don't understand lardman |
| 15:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bad link |
| 15:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | Let me try that again. |
| 15:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/ |
| 15:58.54 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 15:59.02 | Segnale007 | nice |
| 15:59.03 | Segnale007 | ;) |
| 15:59.05 | shacka1 | Segnale007: 0xFFFF is the name of another flasher |
| 15:59.05 | lardman | Segnale007: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 15:59.28 | Segnale007 | this is exactly right |
| 15:59.34 | Segnale007 | ah ok |
| 15:59.36 | shacka1 | 0xFFFF |
| 15:59.38 | Segnale007 | ty gus |
| 15:59.42 | Segnale007 | *guys |
| 15:59.45 | shacka1 | hey, where's my monkey ? |
| 15:59.48 | lardman | np |
| 15:59.54 | lardman | shacka1: he was killed |
| 16:00.03 | hugolp | Segnale007: I installed OS2008 on my N800 and its fine. It runs better than OS2007 |
| 16:00.16 | Segnale007 | uhm |
| 16:00.27 | Segnale007 | it's better os2008 ? |
| 16:00.36 | Segnale007 | I up it on os2008 ? |
| 16:00.44 | shacka1 | up what? |
| 16:00.52 | Segnale007 | upgrade it |
| 16:00.58 | Segnale007 | a os2008 |
| 16:01.07 | Segnale007 | or is better os2007 ? |
| 16:01.25 | hugolp | 2008 is way better |
| 16:01.31 | Segnale007 | good |
| 16:01.33 | Segnale007 | :) |
| 16:01.38 | shacka1 | do you really think nokia made the new version WORSE than the old one ? |
| 16:01.55 | Segnale007 | no no |
| 16:02.03 | hugolp | shacka1: obviously, but its not only better, but surprinsingly better |
| 16:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | Microsoft managed it, shacka1. :P |
| 16:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | The issue has more to do with it's early-release, beta status, shacka1. |
| 16:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, if it had a lot of bugs that hadn't been worked out yet, yes, it would be WORSE. |
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| 16:19.14 | lardman | kulve: you about? |
| 16:19.37 | lardman | kulve: using the standard kernel, I seem to have got some output from a dbg() function |
| 16:19.53 | alterego | pvr? |
| 16:20.24 | lardman | no, this is me trying to finish off the ogg dsp task (by working out how an mp3 task uses threads) |
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| 16:20.52 | alterego | Ah |
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| 16:21.31 | lardman | alterego: I'll get back to hacking on the pvr soon though |
| 16:21.51 | zerojay | alterego: Don't worry about packaging that tag reader library for me. I've got something up and running in python that works well... whereas id3lib tends to output a TON of garbage. |
| 16:22.21 | zerojay | Though I have to say that this is brute forcing things a bit more than I'd like. |
| 16:23.49 | zerojay | I told a buddy of mine about trying to get mp3s played in Media Player sent to Maemoscrobbler, how it's closed source and doesn't give us any help, etc.. |
| 16:23.58 | cbx33 | can't hte built in media player play m3u? |
| 16:24.06 | cbx33 | if not can I get mplayer for os2008 yet? |
| 16:24.10 | zerojay | m3u = playlist. |
| 16:24.15 | cbx33 | yeh |
| 16:24.20 | zerojay | And I believe it does support them just fine. |
| 16:24.29 | cbx33 | :( - not from gnump3d |
| 16:24.41 | cbx33 | oh |
| 16:24.44 | cbx33 | I wonder |
| 16:24.47 | zerojay | I told my friend that I was getting the currently playing song by grepping lsof output, his jaw just about dropped. |
| 16:24.56 | cbx33 | maybe it's calling it a m3u but playing them in ogg format |
| 16:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer is available, cbx33. |
| 16:25.14 | cbx33 | in os2008? |
| 16:25.18 | cbx33 | where man? |
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| 16:26.14 | cbx33 | yes, it was playing them in ogg format |
| 16:26.31 | cbx33 | can we get ogg support in os2008? |
| 16:26.37 | cbx33 | and mplayer? |
| 16:26.45 | konttori | mplayer is in extras-devel |
| 16:26.54 | konttori | but that has poor performance |
| 16:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine over here. |
| 16:27.51 | konttori | GA: mplayer on n810 has poor performance |
| 16:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | Congrats on the small laptop purchase, Jaffa. :P |
| 16:28.15 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta, something to take on holiday next week until I get an N810 :) |
| 16:29.15 | pupnik | lardman: have you gotten any official assistance on that dsp based stuff? i'd love to see a working group coalesce around dsp programming |
| 16:29.18 | cbx33 | konttori, worse than n800 on os2007? |
| 16:29.27 | konttori | yeah. |
| 16:29.30 | cbx33 | ouch |
| 16:29.31 | pupnik | ogg, MIDI, fm-synthesis, .mod, etc |
| 16:29.33 | cbx33 | why? |
| 16:29.44 | cbx33 | so how can I play oggs? |
| 16:29.44 | konttori | it should be really snappy but they have compiled it somehow horribly wrong |
| 16:29.52 | cbx33 | oh dang it |
| 16:29.59 | cbx33 | mplayer was my fav media app |
| 16:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, it works fine over here. :\ |
| 16:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | Link me a test file and I'll run it for you, cbx33. |
| 16:30.32 | konttori | can you play dailymotion flv videos on your mplayer? |
| 16:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, how do I extract them? |
| 16:31.28 | cbx33 | how do i add extras-devel? |
| 16:31.32 | pupnik | encourage nokia to support gstreamer ogg plugins, or help with lardman's open-source vorbis player |
| 16:31.47 | konttori | GA: uktube |
| 16:32.01 | konttori | Install: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/ |
| 16:32.13 | konttori | then open uktube |
| 16:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Working_2008_OS_Software cbx33. |
| 16:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer on there |
| 16:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | Got it, konttori. |
| 16:32.21 | cbx33 | thanks GA |
| 16:32.34 | konttori | you can try e.g.: http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/hips+dont+lie/video/x1g1g_shakira-hips-dont-lie_music |
| 16:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, thanks, I'll choose another. :P |
| 16:32.49 | konttori | (if you can paste to your device from irc) |
| 16:32.52 | konttori | ;) |
| 16:33.41 | lardman | pupnik: No help per se, but the Nokia chaps are happy to see some of us doing stuff |
| 16:33.57 | lardman | pupnik: help wouldn't be fun either would it ;) |
| 16:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | "Yes, yeeeees, work my pretties. Muhaha!" |
| 16:34.22 | lardman | to the pub, back in a bit (I'm sure I'll be more productive then ;) ) |
| 16:34.44 | konttori | cbx33: just go to application manager. add new catalogue. |
| 16:34.59 | konttori | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel |
| 16:35.02 | konttori | chinook |
| 16:35.06 | konttori | free non-free |
| 16:35.23 | alterego | Ooo, free evening mobile internet :) |
| 16:35.48 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 16:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not much good on the flv |
| 16:35.56 | cbx33 | alterego, nice |
| 16:36.03 | GeneralAntilles | I'd only been testing with divx stuff |
| 16:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | which worked fine. |
| 16:36.22 | cbx33 | heh |
| 16:36.37 | alterego | Wow, orange also do an unlimited browsing for a week for 5 GBP |
| 16:36.49 | cbx33 | alterego, REALLY? |
| 16:36.52 | alterego | Yup |
| 16:36.55 | alterego | If you're on PAYG |
| 16:36.55 | cbx33 | link me |
| 16:36.57 | cbx33 | NOW |
| 16:37.04 | cbx33 | I've been waiting for this moment.....for a long time |
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| 16:37.08 | cbx33 | Damn |
| 16:37.11 | cbx33 | I'm on contract |
| 16:37.14 | alterego | Oh. |
| 16:37.14 | konttori | GA: dailymotion video ran just perfectly on the n800 |
| 16:37.22 | alterego | Get a PAYG simcard for 1 GBP |
| 16:37.28 | cbx33 | I'm going to PAYG soon thou |
| 16:37.30 | alterego | You can order them on the Orange shop. |
| 16:37.44 | konttori | GA: uktube has also support for stage 6 videos, but they perform just horribly on the latest mplayer (well the n810 version) |
| 16:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . soft poweroff currently serves only turn the battery icon on and off. |
| 16:38.15 | konttori | http://www.stage6.com/ |
| 16:38.32 | alterego | cbx33, they're kind of like the "bolt-ons" that O2 had. It might be possible to get it for contract as well. Try ringing 450 they're called "Orange world extras". |
| 16:38.39 | GeneralAntilles | I guess we can only hope for a fix before the final hits. |
| 16:38.52 | alterego | ÂŁ1 for unlimited internet a day. and ÂŁ5 for a week .. :) |
| 16:39.42 | cbx33 | alterego, nice |
| 16:39.43 | cbx33 | thanks |
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| 16:40.32 | cbx33 | doh |
| 16:40.41 | cbx33 | mplayer doesn't read m3u playlists |
| 16:41.09 | pupnik | not really an optimized-for-audio player |
| 16:41.55 | alterego | cbx33, now all I need is a phone with EDGE ;) |
| 16:42.10 | alterego | The 7300 is a cheap EDGE modem .. |
| 16:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | EDGE is only, like, everything. |
| 16:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | 3G is where the fun is. |
| 16:44.17 | alterego | :) |
| 16:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | I just wish bluetooth weren't such a bottleneck |
| 16:46.38 | RushPL_ | GeneralAntilles: there was some research showing that EDGE gives far lower latencies than 3G and can bring better experience in web browsing. (lower latencies make seem it seem faster) |
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| 16:46.51 | RushPL_ | just my 3 cents. :) |
| 16:47.13 | alterego | I thought EDGE was 3G.1 |
| 16:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | RushPL_, it was all BS. |
| 16:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | I've used both rather extensively. |
| 16:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | HSDPA is better. :) |
| 16:48.09 | RushPL_ | mhm |
| 16:48.21 | alterego | Hmm .. The 7300 doesn't have ObexFTP |
| 16:48.37 | alterego | I wanna be able to browse ma phone damnit! |
| 16:49.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world would you keep on your phone? |
| 16:49.21 | alterego | Images from the camera :P |
| 16:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | I use my phone for two things: a modem and a phone. |
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| 16:49.42 | alterego | Yes, me it will be: Quick snaps, phone and modem. |
| 16:50.13 | alterego | Oh, and maybe paper weight |
| 16:51.02 | alterego | Wow, I didn't realise Orange had these deals. I should pay more attention. To be honest, I was going off them O_O |
| 16:51.20 | alterego | Now, for the price of a coffee. When I'm out I can get internet _all_ day :) |
| 16:51.31 | zerojay | I have the best text-to-speech program in the world. |
| 16:52.01 | zerojay | My 7 year old is reading everything you guys are saying in the channel out loud. |
| 16:52.26 | alterego | .. Didn't see that coming .. ;) |
| 16:52.37 | zerojay | <alterego> I wanna be able to browse ma phone damnit! <-- this ended up getting a good chuckle coming from his mouth. ;P |
| 16:52.59 | alterego | zerojay, well. Now I know there's a kid in the room I'll try and lower the tone ;) |
| 16:53.25 | zerojay | pffft.. don't worry about it. Ain't nothing you've said that he hasn't heard from my own mouth at one point or another. |
| 16:53.32 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:54.16 | czr | all your base are belong to daddy |
| 16:54.43 | zerojay | hahahaha |
| 16:55.21 | alterego | Cool .. Free txts. |
| 16:55.58 | alterego | And evening internet access .. |
| 16:56.37 | zerojay | And now he's trying to read my python code. lol |
| 16:56.47 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:57.00 | alterego | Ask him if he wants some Ruby :P |
| 16:57.09 | zerojay | testmp3 equals eyedeethree tag... |
| 16:57.14 | czr | heh |
| 16:57.19 | czr | he's pretty bright |
| 16:57.26 | alterego | unless daddy.finished?; me.read_screen; end |
| 16:57.45 | zerojay | I just showed him what emoticons are... and then he asked me... |
| 16:57.57 | zerojay | while 1 == 1: <--- "Daddy, why did you put eyes there?" |
| 16:58.06 | czr | hah |
| 16:58.07 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:58.10 | Segnale007 | ok |
| 16:58.16 | Segnale007 | os2008 working on |
| 16:58.19 | Segnale007 | but |
| 16:58.25 | Segnale007 | I need a terminal |
| 16:58.35 | zerojay | There's one built-in. |
| 16:58.35 | czr | while 1 == 1 is kind of weird though :-) |
| 16:58.46 | czr | while True? or while 1 even? |
| 16:58.48 | Segnale007 | oss-xterm of the os2007 not work on os2008 |
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| 16:58.58 | Segnale007 | uh |
| 16:59.02 | zerojay | Yes, it is... I just don't ever want the script to terminate unless I kill it manually. :) |
| 16:59.02 | alterego | It's already installed .. |
| 16:59.03 | czr | although you could get creative and make it more adaptive: while 1 < 2: |
| 16:59.05 | Segnale007 | I checking it |
| 16:59.46 | Segnale007 | good |
| 16:59.54 | Segnale007 | there is :) |
| 17:00.53 | Segnale007 | and |
| 17:01.01 | Segnale007 | for becomeroot ? |
| 17:01.09 | alterego | sudo gainroot |
| 17:01.16 | Segnale007 | k |
| 17:01.23 | alterego | (If in R&D mode) |
| 17:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, zerojay, that's classic. :) |
| 17:02.34 | Segnale007 | not in r&d mode |
| 17:02.37 | Segnale007 | :( |
| 17:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | Just install becomeroot. |
| 17:03.42 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 17:03.52 | Segnale007 | I just need some repos for it |
| 17:03.59 | Segnale007 | I check |
| 17:04.19 | juh0 | http://gronmayer.com/it/ eko one |
| 17:04.34 | Segnale007 | for os2008 ?? |
| 17:04.59 | juh0 | http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb |
| 17:05.00 | Segnale007 | great |
| 17:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have a shot of the 770 with battery cover open and serial port in view that I could borrow? |
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| 17:20.39 | corevette | Blizzard, maker of World of Warcraft, merges with games firm Activision, in an $18.8bn deal. |
| 17:21.45 | cbx33 | :( |
| 17:21.59 | cbx33 | mplayer does't player m3u playlists |
| 17:22.08 | cbx33 | how do i et oformat for myn800 on os2008? |
| 17:22.36 | cbx33 | get ogg |
| 17:22.43 | cbx33 | my g key has died |
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| 17:32.06 | cbx33 | can i get default media layer to ply oggs on os2008 yet/ |
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| 17:35.38 | ShyBoy | I do not have have proper /debian directory in my package, how can i create a .deb using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 17:37.24 | m-vo | ShyBoy, you need to create the debian/ directory first. This unfortunately requires some Debian hacker foo. |
| 17:38.14 | ShyBoy | m-vo: is this a manual process or there is a command for that to create debian/ directory and have changelog in there? |
| 17:38.52 | ShyBoy | i created debian folder and have a dummy changelog in there, but that trick didn't work |
| 17:39.56 | m-vo | It's not something you can do without getting some understanding of the source and of what you want to do. It is not a fully automatic process. |
| 17:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | Semi-auto, then? |
| 17:40.26 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 17:40.27 | m-vo | There are shortcuts, but I, err, hesitate to tell you about them because you might hurt yourself. :-) |
| 17:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | Too slow, timelyx! |
| 17:40.50 | cbx33 | ogg support? |
| 17:41.05 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: when you file a bug does it let you choose between Status: NEW and Status: UNCONFIRMED? |
| 17:41.06 | m-vo | You can get a template that is pretty close, but intelligent tweaking is always needed. |
| 17:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 17:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | I've been leaving them unconfirmed |
| 17:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | should I not? |
| 17:41.33 | timelyx | i'm looking for a "normal user" |
| 17:41.41 | timelyx | or, if you don't mind, could i use you for a moment :) |
| 17:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | What do you need? |
| 17:42.02 | timelyx | i need to know if you get guided if you don't have editbugs/canconfirm |
| 17:42.12 | timelyx | i was hoping/expecting you would |
| 17:42.17 | timelyx | but it doesn't look like people are |
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| 17:43.58 | m-vo | ShyBoy, OK with these warnings, "man debhelper", "apt-get install dh-make", "man dh_make". |
| 17:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | You wanna lift my bits and I can tell you? |
| 17:44.34 | timelyx | gimme a bit, i'm investigating source side |
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| 18:08.49 | Segnale007 | guys |
| 18:09.01 | Segnale007 | what I can use for irc with os2008 ? |
| 18:09.11 | Segnale007 | with os2007 I used xchat |
| 18:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 18:09.22 | Segnale007 | .. |
| 18:09.31 | Segnale007 | ty man .. |
| 18:09.37 | Segnale007 | u are beautiful |
| 18:09.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. |
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| 18:11.53 | Segnale007 | this os2008 working much better of os2007 on my n800 |
| 18:12.01 | Segnale007 | ty so much guys :) |
| 18:13.40 | Segnale007 | uff |
| 18:13.58 | Segnale007 | I need libgnutls13 |
| 18:14.01 | Segnale007 | uff |
| 18:14.11 | alterego | You need to had the maemo hackers repository. |
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| 18:14.20 | Segnale007 | uhm |
| 18:14.32 | Segnale007 | I need a gpg key for it |
| 18:14.40 | Segnale007 | this is really .. |
| 18:14.44 | alterego | uhm .. No you don't. |
| 18:15.46 | Segnale007 | I check |
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| 18:19.33 | alterego | Hmm .. The 6300 Nokia product page doesn't say anything about HSCSD but it appears in a few online catalogs with it as a feature. |
| 18:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously you're going to have to go buy one and test it. :P |
| 18:21.37 | alterego | Well, it is pretty cheap. |
| 18:21.40 | alterego | And I don't really care. |
| 18:21.46 | alterego | I need a new phone :P |
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| 18:21.57 | cbx33 | can it be done...enbling ogg support for the built i media player on os2008? |
| 18:22.07 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 18:22.23 | Segnale007 | I need the public key for maemo hackers |
| 18:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, but it relies on Nokia, cbx33. |
| 18:22.47 | alterego | Segnale007, no you don't. |
| 18:23.20 | alterego | What's OMA? |
| 18:23.25 | Segnale007 | NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3A68E29D |
| 18:23.38 | alterego | O_O |
| 18:23.45 | alterego | Use the application manager. |
| 18:23.52 | Segnale007 | how I can copy the test on xterm in os 2008 ? |
| 18:23.56 | sp3000 | who took the keys to the pub! |
| 18:23.57 | Segnale007 | maybe I can't |
| 18:23.58 | alterego | Or forget about pidgin and do something else. |
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| 18:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is bloaty |
| 18:24.36 | Segnale007 | is active in application manager |
| 18:24.38 | Segnale007 | uff |
| 18:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | use jablet.net |
| 18:24.47 | Segnale007 | general |
| 18:25.06 | Segnale007 | how I can copy the text on xterm here on os2008 ? |
| 18:25.18 | Segnale007 | I'm in trouble right now |
| 18:25.24 | timelyx | um |
| 18:25.24 | Segnale007 | I need to copy and paste |
| 18:25.26 | timelyx | stupid quesiton |
| 18:25.27 | Segnale007 | :/ |
| 18:25.29 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 18:25.35 | Segnale007 | in 2007 |
| 18:25.37 | timelyx | has anyone here heard of the "nokia 'n' series end of year program'? |
| 18:25.42 | Segnale007 | I have found the voice |
| 18:25.46 | alterego | I think I'll buy the phone directly from Nokia. I don't want silly "Orange" stickers over the handset and I'd rather get the proper Nokia box and manual .. |
| 18:26.28 | sp3000 | Segnale007: drag to select, copy is in the menu |
| 18:26.52 | shackan | the app manager insists on reinstalling pidgin under extras, how can I change that? (and be asked again where to install it?) |
| 18:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | No, timelyx. |
| 18:27.33 | sp3000 | ignore and use the menu organizer? :) |
| 18:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, shackan, sp3000's method is the way to do it. |
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| 18:29.36 | ShyBoy | can someone please tell me what is the problem here? |
| 18:29.36 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/gnomequran-0.2] > ./autogen.sh |
| 18:29.36 | ShyBoy | ./autogen.sh: line 15: ./macros/autogen.sh: No such file or directory |
| 18:29.36 | ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/gnomequran-0.2] > |
| 18:29.37 | shackan | sp3000: where's that? |
| 18:30.22 | sp3000 | apps settings cpl panel |
| 18:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | Control Panel -> Panels/Navigator -> Organize |
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| 18:32.44 | e-squizo | ShyBoy: looks like you're missing a file in the package |
| 18:32.54 | unique311 | something weird is happening with my desktop |
| 18:33.28 | unique311 | i had this hardrive (250GB) for probably 1 year |
| 18:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | Beat it with a hammer until it behaves. |
| 18:33.56 | unique311 | just checked disk management and it shows the hardrive being a 500GB |
| 18:34.26 | unique311 | could this be because of infection |
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| 18:34.52 | ShyBoy | e-squizo: what kind of file? |
| 18:34.54 | e-squizo | unique311: maybe you suddenly have these newfangled 4-bit bytes? :-) |
| 18:35.01 | unique311 | right now theirs 187GB unformatted, but i am really afraid on what the results would be if i formattd it. |
| 18:35.03 | ShyBoy | isn't it just autogen.sh? |
| 18:35.32 | sp3000 | I suppose infection could cause swelling |
| 18:35.57 | unique311 | this is bad. |
| 18:36.06 | e-squizo | ShyBoy: it should... but it looks like you autogen.sh expects an autogen.sh file in 'your macros' subdir |
| 18:36.09 | unique311 | i need to transfer everything now. |
| 18:36.09 | halley | unique311, you're probably confusing 512byte blocks for kilobytes. |
| 18:36.16 | unique311 | and format that danm thing again. |
| 18:36.32 | ShyBoy | let me try to fix, thx e-squizo |
| 18:36.42 | unique311 | no not confused... 462.63GB |
| 18:37.13 | unique311 | i know my GBs from my KBs |
| 18:37.23 | unique311 | and im seeing nothing but GBs |
| 18:38.14 | e-squizo | is there a canonical way to do a python program that will automagically do the hildon thing under hildon, and the standard pyGTK thing under anything else? |
| 18:38.39 | halley | e-squizo, yeah, it's called "two separate frontend classes". |
| 18:38.41 | l7_ | anyone know if magnets will damage your tablet> |
| 18:38.41 | l7_ | ? i have it next to my stereo |
| 18:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | Incredibly unlikely. |
| 18:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | There's no magnetic storage on the tablets besides. |
| 18:40.00 | l7_ | hmm i guess i'm just paranoid |
| 18:40.04 | kulve | cbx33: I'm trying to enable the built-in player to play oggs with my ogg-support, but I'm having some problems with it. On my n800 it seems to work, but when I tried to another device, it just says "unsupported file format". |
| 18:40.28 | halley | l7_, "paranoid" != "risk averse" |
| 18:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | My N800 has been sitting in front of my left Axiom bookshelf for the better part of a year |
| 18:40.46 | e-squizo | halley: do you have an example? because that 1) doesn't seem very automagic (requires manual intervention), and 2) most examples I have seen put the hildon dependencies in the class that defines the app, not in the front-end... |
| 18:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | no problems so far. ;) |
| 18:40.53 | kulve | cbx33: I think opening oggs directly with mp is not possible, but opening via the library or from filemanager should work |
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| 18:43.01 | halley | e-squizo, No, I don't. (1) would be easy to work around without manual intervention, (2) I don't know what other examples do, but they don't seem to fit your request or you'd follow their lead. |
| 18:43.25 | halley | There can be only one! |
| 18:43.40 | timelyx | duncan, connor, neil |
| 18:43.43 | derf | kulve: Why is opening them with the mp not possible? |
| 18:43.44 | timelyx | there can be three |
| 18:43.48 | timelyx | for we are the nights of neeee! |
| 18:43.49 | halley | timelyx, gavin |
| 18:44.14 | halley | Imagine a sword fight on the cruise ship! |
| 18:44.30 | maddler | evening all |
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| 18:47.43 | kulve | derf: I think it only shows files it recognizes and I'm afraid that might be hardcoded somewhere that is not editable |
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| 18:48.52 | cbx33 | ok what's the best media player that plays oggs and mp3s nd supports m3u playlists? |
| 18:48.56 | soothsayer | The Chinook SDK installation instructions say to start a new login shell after adding a user to the scratchbox group but that doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 18:49.05 | derf | kulve: That sounds like a bug that should be filed. |
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| 18:50.17 | timelyx | infobot milhouse? |
| 18:50.24 | soothsayer | Anyone know what I need to do for the updated group membership to take effect? |
| 18:50.34 | timelyx | logout :) |
| 18:50.55 | soothsayer | timelyx: Is it really necessary? |
| 18:50.59 | derf | kulve: I might have some time an hour or two to help you debug ogg-support. |
| 18:51.00 | timelyx | yes |
| 18:51.01 | kulve | cbx33: "best" is hard to say ;) |
| 18:51.12 | timelyx | soothsayer: well, technically no |
| 18:51.16 | timelyx | it's sufficient to log in again |
| 18:51.26 | timelyx | logging out is just the easiest way to force you to log in again :) |
| 18:51.28 | derf | If you've got a bora package for it, anyway. I haven't installed OS 2008 yet. |
| 18:51.30 | kulve | derf: do you have ogg-support installed on os2008? |
| 18:51.39 | kulve | oh |
| 18:51.40 | derf | kulve: No, not yet. |
| 18:51.54 | derf | Does it work on 2007? |
| 18:51.57 | soothsayer | timelyx: What do you mean by 'log in'? |
| 18:52.20 | kulve | derf: I haven't added the mp support for bora.. I'm playing only with 2008 now.. |
| 18:52.39 | kulve | and there are differencies with the players in 2007 vs. 2008 |
| 18:52.45 | timelyx | soothsayer: on the computer that hosts scratchbox |
| 18:52.46 | derf | Of course, why wouldn't there be? |
| 18:53.04 | kulve | but I think differencies that might make it easier for 2008 than for 207 |
| 18:53.05 | kulve | +0 |
| 18:53.10 | timelyx | you can either use /bin/login (?) or ssh localhost, or log out of your system (kde/gnome) environment and log in agian |
| 18:53.13 | derf | Well, maybe I'll wait until I get around to installing OS 2008. |
| 18:53.23 | soothsayer | timelyx: Shouldn't starting a login shell work? |
| 18:53.31 | timelyx | it should, sure |
| 18:53.53 | kulve | derf: the 2008 is not a good choice yet, imo. It has some weird bugs and the app support is not good yet |
| 18:53.53 | timelyx | logging out is easier/safer because otherwise if you try a different Terminal window |
| 18:53.59 | timelyx | you'll be confused when it doesn't work |
| 18:54.08 | timelyx | unless that terminal implicitly uses ssh localhost :) |
| 18:54.10 | soothsayer | It doesn't seem to update my group membership |
| 18:54.18 | sp3000 | su -l $USER, for one |
| 18:54.36 | soothsayer | 'bash -l' should work, no? |
| 18:54.48 | sp3000 | nah, for whatever reason |
| 18:54.50 | halley | ash doesn't have . .profile? |
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| 18:54.56 | derf | kulve: I was, in fact, waiting for more things to get sorted out before switching. |
| 18:55.00 | trunneml_ | hi |
| 18:55.35 | derf | Or for my N810 to get here. |
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| 18:55.54 | soothsayer | sp3000: Thanks. 'su -l' works |
| 18:55.58 | trunneml_ | Im searching the repository of libgdbm-dev |
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| 18:56.31 | soothsayer | How much extra space do the debug packages take? |
| 18:56.39 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=libgdbm-dev&find=debian%2Fcontrol&findi=debian%2Fcontrol&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=chinook |
| 18:56.41 | timelyx | trunneml_: it's there |
| 18:56.56 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.56 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.00 | kulve | derf: I'm waiting for my n810 too :) |
| 18:57.14 | timelyx | i.e., chinook |
| 18:57.21 | kulve | soothsayer: depends. They might take *a lot* |
| 18:57.34 | timelyx | soothsayer: for gecko a debug package can take >100mb :) |
| 18:57.47 | kulve | I think debugs for gtk is >100mb too.. |
| 18:58.00 | kulve | (I might be totally wrong thouhg..) |
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| 18:58.39 | soothsayer | kulve: I mean whatever packages are installed when you ask for DBG packages when installing the SDK (through installer script) |
| 18:59.00 | soothsayer | kulve: Does that include gtk debug packages? |
| 18:59.04 | pupnik | http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/ XKCD Rules! Rules!!! I want to hang out with the xkcd folks :| |
| 18:59.22 | trunneml_ | timelyx: okay and how i install it into the chinook scratchbox? |
| 18:59.26 | kulve | soothsayer: that probably includes almost all debug packages, so it's probably hundreds on MBs.. |
| 18:59.36 | soothsayer | kulve: Thanks |
| 18:59.47 | timelyx | trunneml_: apt-get install libgdbm-dev ? |
| 19:00.00 | trunneml_ | no it's not working |
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| 19:00.33 | timelyx | well, you could apt-get source libgdbm and then build libgdbm-dev :) |
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| 19:01.07 | trunneml_ | Unable to find a source package for libgdbm |
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| 19:01.14 | trunneml_ | thats the message |
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| 19:01.17 | timelyx | well, you could apt-get source libgdbm3 and then build libgdbm-dev :) |
| 19:01.35 | trunneml_ | oh thats sound better :-) |
| 19:01.47 | kulve | or, apt-get source libgdbm-dev.. |
| 19:01.59 | trunneml_ | ah how do I bouild a dev package? |
| 19:02.09 | timelyx | kulve: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php says only bora provides libgdbm-dev for 2008 |
| 19:02.33 | timelyx | trunneml_: once you apt-get source you'd use dpkgbuildpackage or something |
| 19:02.38 | timelyx | read a doc for that step :) |
| 19:02.46 | kulve | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:03.17 | cbx33 | kulve, i just want a nice media player that'll play ogg, mp3 and m3u playlists.....mplyer doesn't seem to work properly with the m3u playlist... |
| 19:03.44 | kulve | have you tried ukmp or kagu? Nice candy ui etc.. |
| 19:03.57 | kulve | if you want rough looking ui, use kilikali |
| 19:03.58 | halley | I'm wondering if someone who is familiar with the sdk could rebuild maemocjk.garage for OS2008, to see if it works. |
| 19:05.17 | kulve | timelyx: I meant that you can give the binary package for apt-get source too, it knows what the source package is called (in my chinook target, apt-get source libgdbm-dev downloaded gdbm just fine) |
| 19:05.21 | trunneml_ | sorry but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot creates the package libgdmb3 and not libgedbm-dev |
| 19:05.59 | trunneml_ | kulve can you gibe me your reposiroy list? |
| 19:06.09 | timelyx | kulve: it didn't come from chinook |
| 19:06.13 | timelyx | gronmeyer says it isn't there |
| 19:06.23 | timelyx | you got it from bora :) |
| 19:06.38 | timelyx | would someone please find/file a bug about this package being missing from chinook? |
| 19:06.44 | trunneml_ | okay so you have repositories from bora and chinook in your scratchbox? |
| 19:06.58 | kulve | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free |
| 19:07.04 | derf | halley: I certainly hope it does, because I'll need that working before I switch. |
| 19:07.11 | kulve | timelyx: does that include bora sources? |
| 19:07.19 | timelyx | kulve: which? |
| 19:07.24 | halley | derf, don't switch yet then |
| 19:07.30 | timelyx | oh |
| 19:07.43 | halley | derf, maemocjk maintainer disappeared |
| 19:07.52 | kulve | timelyx: it seems the source is there, the binary is not |
| 19:07.59 | derf | halley: I have commit priveleges. |
| 19:08.14 | kulve | and building it requires chrpath that's not around |
| 19:08.17 | timelyx | kulve: cute isn't it? |
| 19:08.22 | lardman | kulve: it looks like the os2008 kernel automatically outputs dbg() statements :) |
| 19:08.26 | halley | derf, can you try the build? |
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| 19:08.35 | derf | halley: I don't have the chinook SDK installed. |
| 19:08.55 | halley | Hm, I wonder if I should put a paypal bounty on this. |
| 19:09.04 | derf | And scratchbox has changed a lot sinced I installed it last. |
| 19:09.13 | trunneml_ | yes source is there but no package |
| 19:09.20 | kulve | lardman: huh, if it debugs as much as os2007 did when playing oggs, it's not a good thing.. |
| 19:09.30 | kulve | s,oggs,mp3s, |
| 19:09.48 | trunneml_ | kulve: same here |
| 19:09.57 | lardman | kulve: I see my dbg() output at least, so saves me flashing my new kernel |
| 19:10.16 | kulve | lardman: well, if it doesn't debug other stuff much, then it's good thing, I guess :) |
| 19:10.53 | lardman | kulve: none of the mailbox stuff thankfully |
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| 19:11.23 | kulve | ok, that's the debug I meant |
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| 19:11.39 | derf | halley: I'll certainly get to it by the end of January, since I'm going back to Japan in February. |
| 19:11.44 | Segnale007 | guys |
| 19:11.55 | derf | But I can't make any promises about doing it sooner. |
| 19:11.58 | Segnale007 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:11.58 | Segnale007 | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D |
| 19:11.58 | Segnale007 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 19:12.01 | Segnale007 | ;_; |
| 19:12.02 | kulve | "chrpath allows you to modify the dynamic library load path (rpath and runpath) of compiled programs and libraries." |
| 19:12.21 | Segnale007 | I need gpg key for maemo hackers repos |
| 19:12.29 | timelyx | Segnale007: there probably isn't one |
| 19:12.32 | timelyx | why do you need it? |
| 19:12.40 | timelyx | can't you read all the code and verify it yourself ;-) |
| 19:12.40 | halley | Segnale007, didn't you ask that already and someone said you didn't? |
| 19:12.50 | Segnale007 | but |
| 19:12.52 | Segnale007 | I need |
| 19:12.56 | kulve | it's only warning |
| 19:13.00 | Segnale007 | can u see that ? |
| 19:13.02 | Segnale007 | ah |
| 19:13.08 | Segnale007 | it working ? |
| 19:13.12 | Segnale007 | I try |
| 19:13.15 | kulve | yeah, it should work just fine |
| 19:13.57 | soothsayer | Segnale007: It's on the home page if I remember right |
| 19:14.27 | soothsayer | Segnale007: http://www.maemo-hackers.org |
| 19:14.33 | Segnale007 | k |
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| 19:15.00 | Segnale007 | this is the key |
| 19:15.01 | Segnale007 | http://inz.fi/pubkey.txt |
| 19:15.12 | Segnale007 | I have to add it ? |
| 19:15.22 | soothsayer | Segnale007: Yes |
| 19:15.26 | Segnale007 | k |
| 19:15.27 | Segnale007 | ty man |
| 19:15.59 | soothsayer | Segnale007: apt-key add pubkey.txt |
| 19:16.06 | soothsayer | Segnale007: No problem |
| 19:16.19 | Segnale007 | ty |
| 19:16.24 | Segnale007 | :) |
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| 19:22.15 | lardman | what do we reckon causes a "translation fault" on a Ti C55x DSP? |
| 19:23.03 | halley | A Sophia Coppola bootleg avi? |
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| 19:23.59 | lardman | possible.... but probably not |
| 19:24.02 | lardman | :) |
| 19:26.09 | lardman | at least the DSP kernel hasn't crashed :) |
| 19:26.13 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 19:26.20 | cbx33 | tried installing kagu and it complains |
| 19:26.24 | cbx33 | about libbz |
| 19:26.43 | cbx33 | also if I goto update All system pages from the update manager it complins too.... |
| 19:26.45 | lardman | oh, it has, was reset successfully |
| 19:28.01 | cbx33 | where is libbz? |
| 19:28.02 | kulve | does somebody want to verify that media player doesn't play oggs with my ogg-support hack? |
| 19:28.13 | kulve | on 2008 |
| 19:28.20 | cbx33 | kulve where can i test/ |
| 19:28.33 | cbx33 | will it mean it will play oggs very soon? |
| 19:28.35 | cbx33 | :p |
| 19:28.51 | kulve | I'm trying to enable that.. |
| 19:28.54 | kulve | http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 19:28.55 | cbx33 | awesome |
| 19:28.57 | cbx33 | ok |
| 19:28.58 | kulve | add that repo |
| 19:29.08 | kulve | but don't install the ogg-support package |
| 19:29.14 | cbx33 | i instlled that earlier and it said...This won't add ogg suport is that the one |
| 19:29.17 | cbx33 | hang on I'll test |
| 19:29.21 | cbx33 | oh |
| 19:29.23 | cbx33 | ok |
| 19:29.26 | kulve | just a sec |
| 19:29.27 | cbx33 | what do i install? |
| 19:29.29 | cbx33 | ok |
| 19:30.11 | kulve | install that package I just told you privately |
| 19:30.38 | kulve | it will edit one file belonging to the meta layer crawler and the mp's desktop file |
| 19:30.47 | kulve | (and unedit on remove) |
| 19:31.31 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 19:31.38 | cbx33 | missing lots of deps |
| 19:31.46 | kulve | oh? |
| 19:31.52 | cbx33 | need to add the ogg repo |
| 19:31.54 | cbx33 | hang on |
| 19:31.58 | kulve | yeah |
| 19:32.04 | kulve | I though you had it already.. |
| 19:32.35 | cbx33 | components?? |
| 19:32.47 | kulve | Web address : http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian |
| 19:32.47 | kulve | Distribution : chinook |
| 19:32.48 | kulve | Components : maemo |
| 19:33.39 | kulve | the media player plays the oggs on my device, but I don't understand why that package doesn't seem to enable it on other devices.. |
| 19:33.50 | kulve | it plays even ogg videos (theora+mp3) :) |
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| 19:34.05 | cbx33 | no |
| 19:34.14 | cbx33 | what one for the ogg.garage? |
| 19:34.16 | cbx33 | compoentsn |
| 19:34.30 | cbx33 | i need the gstreamer stuff |
| 19:34.38 | kulve | yeah, they should come from my repo |
| 19:34.42 | cbx33 | oh ok |
| 19:34.43 | kulve | i.e. the one I just said |
| 19:35.10 | cbx33 | no |
| 19:35.13 | kulve | I added some gst packages to include the plugins missing from the maemo's gst stuff |
| 19:35.25 | cbx33 | it dep fail |
| 19:36.15 | kulve | did you refresh the application manager's package list? (it should ask that after editing the catalogues) |
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| 19:41.18 | cbx33 | yes |
| 19:41.26 | cbx33 | i get nothing |
| 19:42.42 | cbx33 | if I try to upgrade Operating System it bails too....cannot install it says |
| 19:43.11 | cbx33 | ahhh moans about devel |
| 19:43.14 | cbx33 | i see |
| 19:43.23 | cbx33 | kulve, still can't get it to work |
| 19:43.52 | cbx33 | lib vorbis is missing |
| 19:44.02 | cbx33 | 6 packages in total |
| 19:44.03 | kulve | it should be there on my repo.. |
| 19:44.41 | lardman | hmm, kernel oops now |
| 19:44.51 | kulve | cbx33: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/ogg/ |
| 19:44.58 | kulve | does that one install? |
| 19:45.13 | cbx33 | yes that id |
| 19:45.15 | cbx33 | did |
| 19:45.19 | cbx33 | i tried it earlier |
| 19:45.41 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 19:46.13 | lopz | apt-get install kagu , exit --> http://rafb.net/p/6nwv2k54.html any ideas ? |
| 19:46.27 | cbx33 | i installed libborbis seperately that wored |
| 19:46.35 | cbx33 | but i dont think i have all the gstreamer ones |
| 19:46.38 | zerojay | Why are you using apt-get? |
| 19:47.11 | cbx33 | ok kulve installing muanll |
| 19:47.15 | cbx33 | will take a few moments |
| 19:47.18 | cbx33 | brb |
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| 19:48.02 | kulve | cbx33: hmm |
| 19:48.05 | kulve | just sec.. |
| 19:49.03 | cbx33 | ok installed |
| 19:49.16 | cbx33 | testing |
| 19:49.17 | kulve | I think the vorbis dependency shouldn't even be there.. Only ivorbis.. |
| 19:49.43 | cbx33 | dosen't like streaming ogg |
| 19:49.46 | cbx33 | should it? |
| 19:50.04 | kulve | what? the built-in player? |
| 19:50.07 | cbx33 | yes |
| 19:50.12 | kulve | I haven't tried that.. |
| 19:50.16 | cbx33 | with your modification ;) |
| 19:50.33 | kulve | but if you have an ogg on your device, try double clicking it on the filemanager |
| 19:50.39 | kulve | it should open the media player.. |
| 19:50.42 | cbx33 | ok |
| 19:51.24 | cbx33 | opens |
| 19:51.27 | cbx33 | but doesn't ply |
| 19:51.29 | cbx33 | play |
| 19:51.50 | kulve | it says "file format not supported"? |
| 19:51.55 | cbx33 | yup |
| 19:52.02 | kulve | :( |
| 19:52.54 | kulve | I'll try to do some testing.. |
| 19:52.55 | kulve | bbiam |
| 19:53.00 | cbx33 | be back in a few minutes |
| 19:53.02 | cbx33 | ok thanks |
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| 20:01.50 | kulve | cbx33: I copied a new version over the old one. Now you can remove the libvorbis0a and it will take only 20% of the cpu (as it should). Doesn't help with the mp yet though.. |
| 20:07.27 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:07.31 | cbx33 | I'll update |
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| 20:12.49 | kulve | aah, stupid mp. Stupid! |
| 20:13.28 | zerojay | Wrestling with Media Player too, eh? |
| 20:13.33 | kulve | it plays audio/x-vorbis, but not application/ogg.. |
| 20:14.10 | kulve | cbx33: I'll prepare a new package for you.. |
| 20:14.32 | kulve | hopefully updateing works as remove+install in this case.. |
| 20:15.42 | zerojay | kulve: You think you've finally cracked ogg playing on Media Player? |
| 20:15.50 | kulve | maybe |
| 20:15.56 | cbx33 | kulve, it still depended on that libvorbis package. |
| 20:16.06 | kulve | cbx33: which one exactly? |
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| 20:16.12 | cbx33 | libvorbis0a |
| 20:16.14 | cbx33 | br |
| 20:16.41 | kulve | weird, I was able to remove it once updated to the new 0.4 version.. |
| 20:17.07 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 20:17.08 | cbx33 | oh |
| 20:17.14 | cbx33 | i removed ogg-support |
| 20:17.22 | cbx33 | ermoved libvorbis0a |
| 20:17.27 | cbx33 | then installed ogg-support |
| 20:17.31 | cbx33 | from your pacakge |
| 20:17.36 | cbx33 | and it b0rked |
| 20:17.51 | kulve | I just uploaded a new version there.. |
| 20:17.56 | kulve | again with the same name |
| 20:18.05 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:18.07 | cbx33 | will try |
| 20:18.21 | cbx33 | if it want's libvorbis what shoud i do? |
| 20:18.24 | cbx33 | instll it? |
| 20:18.30 | kulve | for now yeah |
| 20:18.43 | cbx33 | ko |
| 20:18.45 | kulve | but in that case I think you are downloading it from cache or something.. |
| 20:19.05 | kulve | actually, if it wants that vorbis, don't install it.. |
| 20:19.12 | kulve | I'll give you a different url.. |
| 20:19.32 | kulve | it should want only libvorbisidec1, which is the integer only version |
| 20:19.41 | kulve | (plus the gst etc stuff) |
| 20:23.41 | cbx33 | can you rename it |
| 20:23.45 | cbx33 | i think its caching it |
| 20:23.59 | cbx33 | rename I'll try gain in 5 minuts=es in the dir |
| 20:24.05 | cbx33 | push the rev up by 1 |
| 20:24.08 | cbx33 | or someting |
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| 20:24.48 | kulve | well, it seems that it doesn't even work yet.. Now the ogg was added to the library, but still "fileformat not supported".. |
| 20:25.09 | kulve | cbx33: remove the /m from the url |
| 20:25.43 | kulve | argh, stupid typo |
| 20:25.44 | kulve | wait a sec |
| 20:26.45 | kulve | now |
| 20:26.48 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:27.21 | cbx33 | i can't ccess that dir |
| 20:27.43 | kulve | yuo should be able to download the direct url, the indexing is forbidden |
| 20:29.15 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:29.19 | cbx33 | samename? |
| 20:29.33 | kulve | yeah |
| 20:30.14 | cbx33 | ok installing |
| 20:30.17 | cbx33 | hang on I'll try it |
| 20:30.17 | kulve | hah! the Map cannot save the maps to external card, but it can read them there :) |
| 20:30.20 | kulve | (OT) |
| 20:30.30 | kulve | cbx33: rename the ogg you have |
| 20:30.37 | kulve | cbx33: or the dir |
| 20:30.44 | fysa | is it possible to get xscreensaver running? |
| 20:30.55 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:31.05 | kulve | cbx33: the meta layer crawler knows already the current ones and have wrong mime type for them |
| 20:31.08 | cbx33 | it didn't work with the same name |
| 20:31.10 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:32.13 | kulve | hmm.. seems that it doesn't still work..? |
| 20:32.41 | cbx33 | no |
| 20:32.46 | cbx33 | it knows how long the file is though |
| 20:33.07 | cbx33 | any idea where I can get libbz from people? |
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| 20:35.18 | zerojay | kulve: If you guys get this ogg thing working sometime soon, let me know and I'll add ogg support for my scrobbling script. |
| 20:35.30 | kulve | zerojay: ack |
| 20:36.31 | zerojay | It's going to be nice having Maemoscrobbler support in Media Player. :D |
| 20:36.43 | kulve | cbx33: hmm.. Edit your /usr/share/applications/hildon/mp_ui.desktop. My package messed up the Mimetype line. There's one 2audio/x-vorbis too much. That isn't probably the cause for the not-playing-oggs.. |
| 20:38.19 | cbx33 | brb |
| 20:38.23 | cbx33 | just gotta swith machines |
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| 20:43.41 | cbx33 | ok kulve what did you tell me to do |
| 20:43.53 | kulve | cbx33: hmm.. Edit your /usr/share/applications/hildon/mp_ui.desktop. My package messed up the Mimetype line. There's one 2audio/x-vorbis too much. That isn't probably the cause for the not-playing-oggs.. |
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| 20:44.30 | cbx33 | how can i edit it |
| 20:44.36 | cbx33 | i'll need root privs no? |
| 20:44.39 | kulve | yes |
| 20:44.40 | cbx33 | I need to get nano |
| 20:44.45 | kulve | there's vi :) |
| 20:44.54 | cbx33 | ko |
| 20:44.59 | kulve | leave it there, if it's a problem.. |
| 20:45.46 | kulve | and it seems that the app.mgr. won't install deps if the package is not being installed from a repository, even if the deps are available :( |
| 20:45.55 | cbx33 | yeh |
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| 20:46.59 | cbx33 | i only had one of those lines |
| 20:47.38 | cbx33 | ok so if not |
| 20:47.43 | cbx33 | libbz????? anyone??? |
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| 20:54.46 | cbx33 | seems kagu doesn't install yet on os2008 |
| 20:55.20 | zerojay | It does. |
| 20:55.35 | cbx33 | not here |
| 20:55.42 | cbx33 | moans about libbz not being available |
| 20:55.45 | zerojay | Installed just fine here. |
| 20:55.52 | zerojay | You're probably missing a repo. |
| 20:56.07 | cbx33 | can you tell me which repo had libbz.....please!! |
| 20:56.22 | zerojay | I don't know which one has it offhand. |
| 20:56.38 | kulve | cbx33: I just don't get this. On my device, there's no id3 info, but the ogg plays. On the other device, the mp gets artist/etc but doesn't play it.. |
| 20:56.40 | cbx33 | can't you apt-cache show libbz? |
| 20:56.46 | cbx33 | hehhe |
| 20:56.48 | zerojay | Ironically, I'm uninstalling Kagu in a few minutes as the only reason I ever used it, scrobbling, I can now do without it. |
| 20:56.54 | zerojay | cbx33: Is that all you need? |
| 20:56.59 | cbx33 | apparently |
| 20:57.10 | cbx33 | i just wanna play oggs |
| 20:57.12 | cbx33 | and mp3s |
| 20:57.18 | cbx33 | and m3u playlists |
| 20:57.23 | zerojay | Unable to locate package libbz. |
| 20:57.28 | cbx33 | BLARG!!!! |
| 20:57.38 | zerojay | Media player plays m3u playlists. |
| 20:57.45 | cbx33 | but not ogg |
| 20:58.28 | cbx33 | libbbz2 |
| 20:58.30 | cbx33 | libbz2 |
| 20:58.32 | cbx33 | try that |
| 20:58.58 | zerojay | Returns with nothing, no error either. |
| 20:59.27 | zerojay | These kinds of things happen when you start using apt... |
| 20:59.45 | cbx33 | apt-cache madison libbz2 |
| 21:00.36 | zerojay | Same thing. |
| 21:00.49 | cbx33 | grrr |
| 21:01.02 | lopz | arg! |
| 21:01.08 | cbx33 | come on kulve you can do it!!!! |
| 21:01.11 | lopz | http://rafb.net/p/TysMdx89.html <- any ideas ? |
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| 21:01.40 | lopz | threads.py is -> http://rafb.net/p/Q9XXoU62.html |
| 21:01.54 | lopz | whats the problem ? |
| 21:02.14 | kulve | cbx33: do you see the id3 info from your ogg? |
| 21:02.25 | cbx33 | i see time information |
| 21:03.58 | kulve | if I click the view that shows only the song currently playing, it shows the real name and artist too.. |
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| 21:05.37 | lopz | any idea for my problem? |
| 21:08.59 | fysa | xscreensaver |
| 21:10.59 | pupnik | hrm |
| 21:13.03 | lopz | eh ? |
| 21:13.33 | lopz | I not have idea, help me please :) |
| 21:14.21 | cbx33 | kulve, anything? |
| 21:14.48 | kulve | cbx33: no :( |
| 21:14.58 | kulve | it plays on my device, but I don't know why :( |
| 21:15.06 | kulve | the only difference I see is the id3 info |
| 21:15.47 | kulve | on the other device they are in /home/user/.meta_storage and also mp shows them but won't play. And vice versa on the other device |
| 21:16.08 | kulve | I'll have to get some sleep know, but I'll continue debugging tomorrow evening.. |
| 21:16.23 | cbx33 | ko |
| 21:17.32 | kulve | cbx33: did you flash 2008 and restore it2007 backup? |
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| 21:17.43 | cbx33 | yes |
| 21:18.51 | kulve | well, that's another difference, but that starts to be a bit far fetched.. |
| 21:19.49 | cbx33 | hmmm |
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| 21:22.42 | cbx33 | no one got any ideas about libbz2? |
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| 21:32.15 | cbx33 | is it because I have devel extras? |
| 21:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | Did you enable chinook extras? |
| 21:33.07 | cbx33 | yeh |
| 21:33.17 | cbx33 | else i couldn't see kagu in app manager |
| 21:34.00 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 21:34.09 | cbx33 | may have found something |
| 21:34.13 | cbx33 | though doubt it |
| 21:34.30 | cbx33 | no |
| 21:34.40 | cbx33 | extras had no component |
| 21:34.57 | cbx33 | i mean |
| 21:35.00 | cbx33 | distribution |
| 21:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | It defaults to lastest. |
| 21:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, _should_. |
| 21:35.18 | cbx33 | ok |
| 21:35.21 | cbx33 | then I'm stuck |
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| 21:35.28 | cbx33 | why the heck can't I find libbz2 |
| 21:37.13 | zerojay | Perhaps you've already got it installed? |
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| 21:38.14 | cbx33 | nope |
| 21:38.27 | zerojay | Red pill mode? |
| 21:38.37 | cbx33 | yup |
| 21:38.45 | cbx33 | if I do apt-get install kagu |
| 21:38.53 | cbx33 | it doesn't moan about libbz2 |
| 21:38.54 | zerojay | Don't use apt-get. |
| 21:38.58 | cbx33 | but about some python pagkages |
| 21:38.58 | zerojay | You're just begging for trouble. |
| 21:39.02 | cbx33 | really>? |
| 21:39.26 | m-vo | Hmm, nahh, apt-get should be OK to use. |
| 21:39.47 | zerojay | I've seen it cause enough problems on my own tablet to swear it off. |
| 21:40.01 | cbx33 | oh |
| 21:40.07 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 21:40.11 | m-vo | The thing that is getting out of hand with OS2008 when you use apt-get is the new "domain system". |
| 21:40.13 | zerojay | Red pill mode shows that I have libbz2-1.0 installed. |
| 21:40.46 | zerojay | libbz2-1.0 - v1.0.3-1 |
| 21:40.51 | m-vo | zerojay, care to elaborate a bit? I'm professionally interested in that kind of stuff. |
| 21:40.55 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 21:41.07 | cbx33 | apt-cache depends kagu |
| 21:41.10 | zerojay | cbx33: The -1.0 is a part of the package name. |
| 21:41.15 | cbx33 | shows a different list to what app manager says |
| 21:41.26 | cbx33 | i did dpkg -l | grep libbz |
| 21:41.38 | zerojay | m-vo: Lots of stuff just stops working. App manager basically takes a dirt nap after a while. |
| 21:41.56 | m-vo | Hmm.... |
| 21:42.11 | cbx33 | application pacakges missing: libbz2-1.0 |
| 21:42.24 | zerojay | I'd help you if I could, but generally speaking, apt-get is a mess anyways, so I got what I expected. |
| 21:42.42 | zerojay | Had to reflash to be able to install anything with app manager again. |
| 21:42.47 | cbx33 | I don;t want to use apt-get |
| 21:43.11 | cbx33 | but i can't see where libbz2 is coming from |
| 21:44.19 | m-vo | Heh, "dirt nap", funny. :) |
| 21:44.47 | m-vo | Ok, app manager is basically another front end to the same library as apt-get. |
| 21:45.10 | m-vo | It could be that apt-get gets the system into a state that the app manager has never seen and can not cope with. |
| 21:45.23 | m-vo | That would be a bug in the app manager and should be fixed. |
| 21:45.31 | m-vo | I have never seen that, tho. |
| 21:46.17 | m-vo | On the other hand, it is of course possible to get your dependencies into such a mess that neither apt-get nor app manager can do their work. |
| 21:46.41 | m-vo | So, did you do anything brutal? Dpkg --force-all, etc? |
| 21:46.53 | cbx33 | zerojay, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=101224&postcount=4 |
| 21:46.59 | cbx33 | surely that's not a sane thing to do |
| 21:47.23 | cbx33 | that's old stuff isn't it |
| 21:47.25 | m-vo | I guess what I am asking is: did the app manager crash? hang? Or did just every installation fail with a cryptic error message? |
| 21:47.31 | zerojay | Nope, but it's been a while since I did it so I don't remember much about what i did or when. Suffice it to say, I won't bother with apt-get whatsoever. |
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| 21:48.20 | zerojay | There were times when it crashed. Other times it would say "unable to install ______" |
| 21:48.31 | cbx33 | zerojay, could I see your sources.list? |
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| 21:49.06 | zerojay | cbx33: Hang on. |
| 21:49.15 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 21:49.53 | m-vo | zerojay, sorry to hear that, but you shouldn't blame apt-get. Blame the app manager. It should cope. If stuff like this happens again, please file a bug. |
| 21:50.00 | zerojay | cbx33: /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 21:50.28 | zerojay | m-vo: It's the same kind of stuff I used to see on Debian all the time... nothing new. |
| 21:50.42 | zerojay | cbx33: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:51.04 | zerojay | m-vo: I would have filed a bug if I had found a reproduction rule. |
| 21:51.05 | cbx33 | yes |
| 21:51.11 | zerojay | cbx33: It's empty. |
| 21:51.18 | cbx33 | eh?? |
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| 21:51.43 | m-vo | Look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 21:51.45 | PaulTardKC | Does anyone here use a Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard? |
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| 21:54.44 | zerojay | cbx33: http://paste.uni.cc/17701 |
| 21:54.45 | pupnik | yes |
| 21:55.00 | pupnik | works well. if you have to type lots of numbers, consider getting the sierra. |
| 21:55.02 | cbx33 | thnks |
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| 22:07.39 | lardman | eureka! |
| 22:08.35 | lardman | ioctl(fd, 0x80); doesn't appear to actually send anything to the dsp task |
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| 22:19.31 | p| | does exists gtk-config on maemo ? |
| 22:20.25 | cbx33 | hahaha |
| 22:20.33 | cbx33 | i think it must have been an upgrade issue |
| 22:20.48 | cbx33 | my default repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free repo was missing |
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| 22:28.51 | cbx33 | grr |
| 22:31.27 | cbx33 | ok i give up |
| 22:31.33 | cbx33 | i can't play ogg streams on the n800 |
| 22:33.06 | pupnik | using what program? |
| 22:36.41 | cbx33 | anything |
| 22:36.48 | cbx33 | from gnump3d |
| 22:37.33 | cbx33 | it calls it an m3u |
| 22:37.37 | cbx33 | but it's an ogg |
| 22:37.37 | pupnik | mplayer should also play streams, but i think that's awkward |
| 22:37.42 | cbx33 | it';s crap |
| 22:37.50 | cbx33 | totem plays it fine |
| 22:37.54 | cbx33 | no problem |
| 22:38.12 | cbx33 | mplayer, just downloads the firs 300bytes.....and then caches it....and then stops |
| 22:38.15 | cbx33 | and ends |
| 22:38.27 | pupnik | got a stream for me to test? |
| 22:38.39 | cbx33 | unfortunately not |
| 22:40.49 | lardman | note to self, don't try to define ioctl commands in the range 0x80-0xff as they are disabled in the current dspgateway |
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| 22:41.13 | cbx33 | pupnik, what distro you running? |
| 22:41.30 | SignalN800 | hi there |
| 22:41.46 | cbx33 | just get gnump3d and whack a few audio files in /var/music |
| 22:41.49 | cbx33 | it works well |
| 22:41.56 | cbx33 | but just not on the n800 |
| 22:42.15 | pupnik | mplayer http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secOgg-b64M.ogg works here on 770 |
| 22:42.20 | lopz | bye |
| 22:42.31 | cbx33 | why not here |
| 22:42.39 | cbx33 | is it because it calls it an m3u i wonder |
| 22:42.52 | pupnik | try that link |
| 22:43.32 | pupnik | http://qurl.org/yX |
| 22:43.34 | pupnik | short link |
| 22:43.54 | cbx33 | ty |
| 22:44.44 | cbx33 | yup works |
| 22:44.50 | cbx33 | so i wonder what is different |
| 22:45.03 | pupnik | i can't give m3u files to mplayer - i have to give it the ogg or stream URL directly (btw) |
| 22:45.38 | pupnik | so if someone gives you a link to a stream in the form of a .m3u, download it and look at the URL contained in the .m3u file |
| 22:46.02 | pupnik | but this is all - very inconvenient - perhaps you would do best contacting the author of your favorite audio player |
| 22:46.07 | lardman | what does "Bad file descriptor" signify? |
| 22:46.18 | pupnik | and discussing it directly with them, instead of with ppl who have little influence |
| 22:46.48 | pupnik | i only saw that with a corrupt filesystem lardman |
| 22:46.56 | cbx33 | do you know of a media player for the n800 that will work like we disucseed? |
| 22:47.17 | cbx33 | pupnik, gnump3d seems to work really nicely, it's a shame that mplayer can't playit |
| 22:47.17 | pupnik | no i only have 770 - and haven't used much audio streaming |
| 22:47.20 | cbx33 | xmms can |
| 22:47.28 | cbx33 | winamp can |
| 22:47.33 | cbx33 | totem can |
| 22:47.58 | pupnik | where is gnump3d? |
| 22:48.23 | pupnik | never heard of it |
| 22:48.28 | cbx33 | i got it from ubutnu repo |
| 22:48.35 | cbx33 | it's a really nice media streaming server |
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| 22:52.26 | pupnik | oh |
| 22:54.11 | shackan | zeenix: ping |
| 22:54.18 | pupnik | lame that the default 'Audio Player' doesn't support ogg at all. |
| 22:54.27 | pupnik | that's really sad for a linux handheld |
| 22:54.43 | cbx33 | yes |
| 22:54.45 | shackan | does os2008 do wmv ? |
| 22:54.51 | cbx33 | kilikali - how to get it to support ogg |
| 22:55.11 | pupnik | maybe we should make a poll on internettablettalk.com about ogg support |
| 22:55.32 | shackan | because I recorded some tv shows and then they didn't play, which is strange since there's wma support |
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| 22:58.34 | ShyBoy | can someone point me out what is the problem here? http://pastebin.com/d65574792 |
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| 22:59.46 | zeenix | shackan: pong! though i am about to sleep |
| 23:00.33 | pupnik | po/Makefile.in' is already registered with AC_CONFIG_FILES. |
| 23:00.34 | shackan | zeenix: quick, you wrote gmediaserver? |
| 23:00.43 | zeenix | shackan: not at all :) |
| 23:00.51 | shackan | oh, ok, sorry then |
| 23:00.55 | zeenix | np |
| 23:00.56 | ShyBoy | pupnik: do i need to change something in the code? |
| 23:00.59 | EnderTheThird | we don't have a mobile navigator for the n810 right now, do we? the mapping software i've seen is maps only, with no navigation, right? |
| 23:01.08 | shackan | zeenix: because I have an mp3 which constantly crashes it |
| 23:01.11 | pupnik | dunno but that's the relevant error |
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| 23:01.52 | zeenix | shackan: i won't have any clues |
| 23:01.59 | zeenix | shackan: sorry! |
| 23:02.05 | shackan | np, good night |
| 23:02.13 | zeenix | g'night to all |
| 23:03.04 | cbx33 | ok kilikali doesn't play oggs streams |
| 23:03.08 | cbx33 | I agree pupnik |
| 23:03.11 | ShyBoy | pupnik: I do not have any Makefile.in in po folder |
| 23:03.13 | cbx33 | IT sux |
| 23:03.19 | cbx33 | i don't want to mke all my music in mp3 |
| 23:03.23 | cbx33 | I want it in ogg |
| 23:04.09 | pupnik | search ITT and if there's no resolution for it, make a poll thread cbx33 |
| 23:04.46 | pupnik | ShyBoy: automake and stuff is very scary to me and i generally cower and hide in the corner and suck my thumb when it breaks |
| 23:06.13 | cbx33 | well |
| 23:06.19 | cbx33 | I've about given up |
| 23:06.24 | cbx33 | maybe I'll try mp3 tomorrow |
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| 23:13.21 | lardman | night all |
| 23:14.41 | khertan | it seems there is a bug with the command df in busy box .... "df -h /" |
| 23:14.52 | khertan | reth |
| 23:14.57 | derf | Just do df -h |
| 23:14.58 | khertan | return nothing |
| 23:15.09 | khertan | no ... i want just / not all |
| 23:15.18 | derf | Well, do df -h and grep for the one you want. |
| 23:15.52 | khertan | yes ... but it s work with df -h / in anyother system it s bug :) |
| 23:16.02 | khertan | (thanks for the tips to use grep ...) |
| 23:16.17 | khertan | havent think of it ... too late /) |
| 23:16.21 | khertan | i ll go to sleep |
| 23:16.22 | derf | df -h / has never worked. |
| 23:16.38 | derf | I assume it's a "feature" of busybox. |
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| 23:34.01 | K`zan | Camera been released for 2008 yet? |
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