| 00:00.00 | zerojay | alterego: Don't worry about it, man. It's cool. |
| 00:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, I just want one page that I can link them to that will shut them all up. |
| 00:01.28 | mouta | Dou you know if this is possible in maemo 4.0 : http://plan99.net/~mike/blog/?p=38 ? |
| 00:01.53 | zerojay | No, not possible, I don't think. |
| 00:01.56 | zerojay | No cairo. |
| 00:02.10 | czr | zerojay, there's cairo |
| 00:02.11 | zerojay | No composite manager. |
| 00:02.18 | czr | but no composition with alpha-support |
| 00:02.22 | czr | afaik |
| 00:02.26 | zerojay | I wouldn't want it anyways. |
| 00:02.31 | zerojay | It would slow the tablet to a crawl. |
| 00:03.24 | alterego | You can do it with home applets. |
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| 00:03.36 | alterego | I've not tried with actual windows. |
| 00:03.39 | zerojay | alterego: Slow the tablet down to a crawl, yes. |
| 00:03.41 | czr | haha. one of the comments: "Hi , great job , i was exactly looking HOW TO use alpha channels , so , if isnt too much to ask , dont you have the same code in perl? I am actually using perl-Gtk" |
| 00:03.48 | czr | I feel sorry for the blog-owner :-) |
| 00:03.50 | alterego | zerojay, only when they're moving :P |
| 00:04.12 | zerojay | Weird.. maps is now segfaulting on me. |
| 00:04.18 | alterego | Uh-oh |
| 00:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Might try deleting the maps cache directory. |
| 00:04.44 | zerojay | It died when I was trying to download them last time.. that's probably it. |
| 00:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | I don't understand where the legions of idiots on the internet come from. |
| 00:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's it. |
| 00:04.56 | czr | GeneralAntilles, AOL |
| 00:05.02 | zerojay | Bingo. |
| 00:05.13 | czr | ever since black september |
| 00:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | AOL doesn't have the subscribership to cover them all. |
| 00:05.26 | zerojay | When I used to run a few channels years ago, we always had *.ipt.aol.com banned. |
| 00:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:05.39 | czr | maybe the rest are italians |
| 00:05.41 | zerojay | Not anymore. |
| 00:05.58 | zerojay | k, yeah, maps is working now. |
| 00:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how they expect normal people to use Map. |
| 00:06.43 | zerojay | What's wrong with it? |
| 00:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | If anything goes wrong with the download (which is disturbingly often), you have to delete the cache folder to get it working. |
| 00:07.08 | zerojay | Beta. :) |
| 00:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, they don't explain that you need twice the available storage to download and install the maps. |
| 00:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | Which is going to be a big problem for US users. |
| 00:08.02 | zerojay | Filed a bug? |
| 00:08.18 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 00:08.26 | zerojay | Oh shit. |
| 00:08.36 | zerojay | I just went from having 3 karma to like.. 160. |
| 00:09.28 | zerojay | Middle of the second page. |
| 00:09.29 | czr | zerojay, they added something? |
| 00:09.30 | zerojay | Cool. |
| 00:09.41 | zerojay | czr: Fixed karma from Bugzilla. |
| 00:09.49 | zerojay | Where I have something like 155 points coming from. |
| 00:09.55 | czr | zerojay, that was already couple of days back |
| 00:10.00 | zerojay | I just noticed it now. |
| 00:10.14 | czr | I got bumped from end of page 8 to end of page 1 because of that. |
| 00:10.34 | zerojay | Software.. it's supposed to be for having projects on Garage, right? |
| 00:10.52 | czr | I doubt it |
| 00:10.54 | zerojay | I somehow have a 3 there. |
| 00:10.56 | czr | since I get 12 points from there |
| 00:10.57 | zerojay | Well, whatever. |
| 00:11.02 | czr | and I have no sw on garage |
| 00:11.33 | czr | at least I don't think I do :-) |
| 00:11.49 | zerojay | It's been sneaking onto Garage while you sleep. |
| 00:11.56 | czr | damn it! |
| 00:12.01 | czr | I suspected as much |
| 00:12.14 | doc|work | speaking of the maps, mine always fail to download :/ |
| 00:12.22 | czr | it was brought up with all that "information wants to be free" cyberpunk attitude |
| 00:12.35 | zerojay | The first time I ever used it, it worked fine. After the last reflash.. bleh. |
| 00:12.55 | czr | that's why it's beta? |
| 00:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | doc|work, you have at least twice the space available on your SD card? |
| 00:13.03 | zerojay | yep |
| 00:14.03 | doc|work | GeneralAntilles: I think so, depends on which card it wants to copy it to. Will try it again tonight and see |
| 00:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | Internal |
| 00:14.11 | _Monkey | Internal is crap for me |
| 00:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | unless you did some flubbing. |
| 00:14.43 | doc|work | the one that came with it is now in my camera :) |
| 00:15.19 | doc|work | hmmm, might have put a 32mb in its place (along with 1gb external) until I get an 8gb |
| 00:19.25 | alterego | I should really stop keeping useless emails from people. It's hard to find the ones with _actual_ content that I need for tasks -_- |
| 00:20.07 | maddler | alterego: true... |
| 00:20.32 | czr | alterego, subfolders? |
| 00:20.33 | alterego | I have a habit of keeping _all_ emails. Which makes it hard to find the ones from people I actually need, when I need them. |
| 00:20.44 | czr | or vfolders with a working incremental search system? |
| 00:20.44 | zerojay | Same here. |
| 00:20.59 | alterego | czr, Not possible with hot/crap mail. Which unfortunately a lot of people tend to contact me with -_- |
| 00:21.14 | czr | why would that affect what you have to use? |
| 00:22.21 | mouta | When you say "home applet", do you mean something like in omweather ? |
| 00:22.30 | alterego | mouta, yes. |
| 00:24.40 | mouta | alterego, ok. |
| 00:28.42 | maddler | alterego: some time ago I found a nice email indexing tool... |
| 00:29.01 | maddler | hmmm... it was on freshmeat... but can't recall its name... :( |
| 00:29.09 | maddler | looked prettu nice actually... |
| 00:29.22 | alterego | maddler, yeah. I just need to spend some time sorting out my resources. I have so much going on I can't waste time on making my life easier! :/ |
| 00:29.46 | maddler | alterego: trust me, I know what you mean... |
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| 00:30.46 | maddler | lemme see if I can find that proggie... |
| 00:31.31 | maddler | it was a program originally meant to archive mailing lists' messages |
| 00:32.54 | maddler | no way... my brain blown... |
| 00:33.07 | maddler | FOUND! |
| 00:33.13 | maddler | http://freshmeat.net/projects/lurker/ |
| 00:33.23 | K`zan_800 | Sigh, ubuntu is the ONLY box here that won't mount NFS paritions. |
| 00:33.25 | maddler | well not so BLOWN! |
| 00:33.36 | maddler | K`zan_800: apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 00:33.46 | maddler | doh... sorry! :D |
| 00:33.53 | alterego | Well, I've just got to sort out a few more product images and I'm sorted for the evening. |
| 00:34.01 | K`zan_800 | maddler: Thanks *MUCH*! |
| 00:34.10 | maddler | K`zan_800: no... ntfs <> NFS! |
| 00:34.26 | K`zan_800 | ntfs-3g is already the newest version. |
| 00:34.42 | K`zan_800 | No, not NTFS :-) |
| 00:34.47 | maddler | you are supposed to get nfs-common |
| 00:35.32 | K`zan_800 | Getting it now, thanks. God ubuntu is a MESS :-/. |
| 00:35.46 | maddler | K`zan_800: eretic! |
| 00:35.48 | maddler | :D |
| 00:36.01 | maddler | Debian is God, and Ubuntu his Messiah! :D |
| 00:36.16 | K`zan_800 | Actually I don't think it likes me, hammers of hell to get it installed and working right, even the old one was trivial compared to this :-/. |
| 00:36.29 | K`zan_800 | Heh, not with me - endless problems with it :-(. |
| 00:36.45 | K`zan_800 | Gave up the old install because of all the USB problems. |
| 00:36.54 | maddler | well... Murphy's laws! :D |
| 00:36.57 | K`zan_800 | But we are giving it another go just for maemo :). |
| 00:37.13 | K`zan_800 | OK, installed, keeping toes crossed... |
| 00:37.20 | maddler | hehe |
| 00:37.39 | K`zan_800 | maddler: THANK YOU Sir! Working. |
| 00:37.46 | maddler | hehehehe |
| 00:38.16 | maddler | look... you only need what to look at... |
| 00:38.17 | K`zan_800 | Why didn't it install the base stuff along with the other nfs stuff!??!?! Don't care, just happy it is working and I can quit using scp :-). |
| 00:38.41 | maddler | the Messiah will give you the right answers to you questions, but it's up to you which questions to ask |
| 00:38.48 | maddler | LOL! I'm getting wyse! |
| 00:38.53 | K`zan_800 | :-) |
| 00:38.59 | K`zan_800 | I'm getting goofy :) |
| 00:39.04 | maddler | hehe |
| 00:39.10 | maddler | NFS instead of scp?! |
| 00:39.14 | K`zan_800 | Smoke! Coffee! Onward!!!! |
| 00:39.19 | maddler | hope you are on a trusted environment! :D |
| 00:39.43 | K`zan_800 | Keep a local /nettmp for stuff I use all over - yes it is trusted :) |
| 00:39.46 | maddler | I only use scp to move stuff around... |
| 00:39.54 | K`zan_800 | As much as is possible... |
| 00:40.01 | maddler | hehe |
| 00:40.21 | K`zan_800 | That was what I was doing, installing my own .bashrc and various personal utils on the maemo dev box. |
| 00:40.25 | K`zan_800 | (any new box) |
| 00:40.59 | alterego | What else would you use scp for? |
| 00:41.29 | K`zan_800 | As a wise friend once told me (back in the days when crackers were tracked down and put to a painful and slow death)"Never start networking - once you do you can never go back" :-) |
| 00:41.43 | K`zan_800 | He was right... |
| 00:41.48 | maddler | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... |
| 00:41.49 | maddler | :D |
| 00:42.00 | K`zan_800 | Shame we let crackers live now though... |
| 00:42.16 | lopz | re |
| 00:42.18 | K`zan_800 | Yep, me too. |
| 00:42.18 | maddler | hehe |
| 00:42.33 | K`zan_800 | It is a wild and wacky world out there :) |
| 00:42.47 | maddler | I've see whide open networks with root/root credentials |
| 00:42.48 | maddler | :) |
| 00:42.53 | K`zan_800 | God help me get sbox and the sdk right THIS time. |
| 00:43.14 | K`zan_800 | At least I had the good sense to snapshot the vm before doing anything this time :). |
| 00:43.18 | maddler | Attack servers on fire off the shoulder of Orion. |
| 00:43.19 | maddler | :D |
| 00:43.31 | maddler | nice move, dude! :D |
| 00:43.42 | K`zan_800 | Get slowly smarter as I get older :) |
| 00:45.14 | alterego | You can't be _that_ old. Old people don't use IRC :P |
| 00:45.14 | K`zan_800 | Will be glad when the fmradio applet is released, might make that a project for the newly installed sdk... |
| 00:45.21 | K`zan_800 | Yeah we do :) |
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| 00:45.27 | alterego | Old people _shouldn't_ use facebook .. |
| 00:45.38 | maddler | alterego: well... I'm a 36 old teen! :D |
| 00:45.45 | alterego | That's why I don't have an account ^_^ |
| 00:45.51 | K`zan_800 | 57 here :-) |
| 00:45.51 | alterego | 36? That's not bad. |
| 00:45.57 | maddler | alterego: at all! :D |
| 00:45.58 | alterego | <- 24 ... |
| 00:46.10 | K`zan_800 | My first computer was an IBM 1130 :) |
| 00:46.18 | maddler | but I'm old enough to keep using IRSSI as my irc client! :D |
| 00:46.20 | alterego | Mine was a BBC Electron. |
| 00:46.24 | K`zan_800 | Or 1401, we had both :) |
| 00:46.24 | maddler | I even got married over IRC! :D |
| 00:46.33 | alterego | pfft, hahaha |
| 00:46.34 | zerojay | I met my wife on IRC. |
| 00:46.38 | K`zan_800 | Twisted folks, I am at home. |
| 00:46.43 | maddler | I had an Apple ][e |
| 00:46.43 | alterego | I met your wife on IRC too .. ^_^ |
| 00:46.50 | K`zan_800 | I met my ex on Ward and Randy's BBS :-). |
| 00:46.59 | K`zan_800 | Ohhh, good one :) |
| 00:47.02 | maddler | zerojay: same... she asked me about Negroponte's "Being digital" |
| 00:47.03 | maddler | :D |
| 00:47.11 | zerojay | Hah, be glad she doesn't decide to join the channel and give you boys a lashing. :) |
| 00:47.21 | alterego | zerojay, please. It sounds kinky ;) |
| 00:47.22 | K`zan_800 | fidonet! |
| 00:47.39 | K`zan_800 | LOL, this ain't getting the dev stuff installed.... |
| 00:49.17 | maddler | :D |
| 00:49.46 | maddler | I remember when I lived in southern Italy... some 20yrs ago... |
| 00:49.49 | maddler | damn! |
| 00:50.01 | maddler | and there were NO BBSs over there... |
| 00:50.17 | mouta | Ciao folks |
| 00:50.21 | maddler | and I had to make long distance calls in order to connect to some nice BBS |
| 00:50.48 | maddler | 9600 bauds sounded a pretty good speed... |
| 00:51.00 | czr | alterego, good luck with the cart :-) |
| 00:51.01 | maddler | czr: see you |
| 00:51.09 | czr | later maddler & all |
| 00:51.38 | alterego | czr, yeah. It wont take long :) |
| 00:52.17 | czr | "it shouldn't take too long" ;-) |
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| 00:52.24 | czr | I've heard that one before.. somewhere.. :-) |
| 00:52.27 | zerojay | famous last words. |
| 00:52.29 | czr | night.. |
| 00:52.44 | alterego | g'night |
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| 00:54.31 | maddler | by the way... OS2008 is amazing! |
| 00:54.38 | maddler | speed improved... |
| 00:55.50 | maddler | beside both my SD cards are not working... |
| 00:55.53 | maddler | strange... |
| 00:57.10 | alterego | maddler, try restarting. A couple of people have reported that. |
| 00:57.20 | alterego | maddler, they are fat right? Not ext? |
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| 00:57.49 | maddler | fat... |
| 00:57.50 | _Monkey | fat is, like, just fine for media files |
| 00:58.01 | maddler | they are being mounted readonly... |
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| 00:58.52 | maddler | can't understand if they both are gone... or N800 somehow can't correctly recognize them... |
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| 01:02.17 | skiburr | anybody using Claws Mail? |
| 01:02.50 | doc|work | skiburr: have it installed, don't use it much as the pre-installed one is generally "good enough" |
| 01:03.08 | skiburr | o ok |
| 01:03.18 | doc|work | for my uses anyway |
| 01:03.30 | skiburr | I can't seem to find an option on how to direct all my mail to my removable card |
| 01:05.01 | maddler | hmmm... I don't think I can remember of such a function... |
| 01:05.10 | doc|work | me neither :/ |
| 01:07.58 | maddler | zerojay: :D |
| 01:08.07 | doc|work | wait, it's that easy?! |
| 01:08.11 | doc|work | can I have poland? |
| 01:08.16 | doc|work | and Italy |
| 01:08.39 | maddler | italy is mine! :D |
| 01:08.45 | doc|work | no way, I was there first! |
| 01:09.14 | doc|work | pizza and cute girls, if it wasn't full of Italians it'd rock. (I lived there for a year, nice people, stupid organisations) |
| 01:21.48 | maddler | doc|work: organizations here are not stupid... are MAD! |
| 01:21.57 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.01 | doc|work | ooops :) |
| 01:22.15 | doc|work | thought so, an Italian :) |
| 01:22.23 | doc|work | they are mad :/ |
| 01:22.28 | maddler | true... |
| 01:22.39 | maddler | I've seen things... ;) |
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| 01:23.16 | maddler | I'm actually working as a security consultant for a big company... |
| 01:23.16 | maddler | and trust me... you couldn't believe... |
| 01:23.16 | maddler | and gov isn't any better... :( |
| 01:23.16 | skiburr | xmame? |
| 01:23.17 | _Monkey | well, xmame is ~3.5M |
| 01:23.30 | skiburr | does it function well? |
| 01:23.33 | doc|work | I'll never forget leaving the country and wanting to close my bank account. Deutsche bank wanted to charge me E50 just to close the account. My bad italian mixed with my not so illogical brain thought he must have misunderstood so they got someone who spoke english to say it and they did in fact want to charge me 50 eruo |
| 01:24.02 | doc|work | so I said "I pay 120 euro a year and you want to charge me to *close* the account", the woman said "I'm sorry, this is Italy". |
| 01:24.02 | zerojay | skiburr: The tablet's not really something that you'd be able to play much MAME on. |
| 01:24.02 | maddler | doc|work: hehe... I know... I know... |
| 01:24.09 | skiburr | lol |
| 01:24.10 | zerojay | _Monkey forget xmame |
| 01:24.11 | _Monkey | zerojay: I forgot xmame |
| 01:24.16 | doc|work | and that phrase came to sum up my entire year there :) |
| 01:24.16 | maddler | we have tons of beaurocracy everywhere... |
| 01:24.24 | doc|work | "This is Italy!" |
| 01:24.35 | maddler | sadly enough... |
| 01:24.48 | doc|work | she was sympathetic, she knew it was stupid, but couldn't do anything |
| 01:25.01 | maddler | hehe |
| 01:25.07 | maddler | where have you been? |
| 01:25.14 | doc|work | luckily I only had E30 in the account as I withdrew the cash the week before :) |
| 01:25.18 | doc|work | Torino, you? |
| 01:25.22 | maddler | Rome... |
| 01:25.29 | doc|work | nice |
| 01:25.53 | maddler | yep... great place to live... |
| 01:25.55 | doc|work | been to milan and Aosta, really nice up there, never got to travel much though |
| 01:26.10 | doc|work | must be way past your bedtime now :) |
| 01:26.24 | maddler | 2.26... not too late yet... :) |
| 01:26.37 | doc|work | hehe |
| 01:26.46 | maddler | I was fixing something on eth0 server... |
| 01:27.59 | doc|work | ok. home time |
| 01:29.32 | maddler | ok... TTL here as well... |
| 01:30.20 | skiburr | hum... I think claws mail dosen't have the option for storing to an external card |
| 01:31.03 | nooknook | how is claws is it buggy? or pretty stable. i just got an 810 and the email app with it is very stable, though could use more features and keyboard shortcuts |
| 01:31.43 | skiburr | can you store to an external card? |
| 01:32.13 | nooknook | with the default email client? hmm i haven't noticed that capability |
| 01:32.59 | skiburr | with claw |
| 01:33.12 | skiburr | I have a 128mb card internal |
| 01:33.42 | skiburr | I trying to direct all my email to my 4gb removable memory |
| 01:33.46 | skiburr | I'm |
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| 01:40.38 | pumpkingod | I'm getting a few errors like: ./client: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/libpbc.so.0) |
| 01:41.01 | pumpkingod | I compiled libpbc in scratchbox |
| 01:41.29 | pumpkingod | and the program works fine there, but on the n800 it barfs |
| 01:41.47 | pumpkingod | :( |
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| 01:43.48 | pumpkingod | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:41.18 | K`zan_800 | Just to make sure I understand this correctly the SDK itself is installed as the user (me) in question and NOT from within sbox? |
| 02:41.55 | captlloyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.59 | captlloyd | oops |
| 02:42.33 | K`zan_800 | Not clear as to whether I log into sbox to install it or just install it from my normal shell. |
| 02:43.24 | K`zan_800 | The directions seem to indicate the latter but later looks like one should be in sbox... |
| 02:44.45 | K`zan_800 | Ah: |
| 02:44.48 | K`zan_800 | After you have downloaded the script to your local machine, run the |
| 02:44.48 | K`zan_800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.48 | K`zan_800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.57 | K`zan_800 | OK, whew :) |
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| 03:11.43 | nooknook | i know the 800 and 810 are same resolution, does anyone know if the screen actually measures the same size? i assume so... |
| 03:20.31 | captlloyd | I think it is very very close |
| 03:20.40 | captlloyd | But as I don't have both, I cannot say |
| 03:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | They're the same |
| 03:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | The N810 is just transflective. |
| 03:22.50 | pumpkingod | I'm getting a few errors like: ./client: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/libpbc.so.0) |
| 03:23.00 | pumpkingod | anyone have any suggestions on what to do about it? |
| 03:23.10 | pumpkingod | I have glib on the n800, and the same binary works fine in scratchbox |
| 03:26.18 | nooknook | okay thank you |
| 03:26.33 | zerojay | Any python devs around? |
| 03:37.31 | truls | zerojay: what kinda dev? |
| 03:40.39 | zerojay | Someone that can help me figure out why pyid3lib tells me that songlen doesn't exist when I attempt to get it from the id3 tags of an mp3. |
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| 03:45.18 | pumpkingod | how can I make sure my n800 matches my maemo environment? |
| 03:45.19 | truls | does it exist? and does the lib check v1 or v2 tags? |
| 03:45.45 | zerojay | Yes and both. |
| 03:46.57 | truls | does the same code work on desktop? |
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| 04:02.10 | MagicFab | Is there a OS2008 version of the OTR plugin for Pidgin ? |
| 04:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's right in the Application Manager. :\ |
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| 04:17.37 | Pauliukas | Can IT2008 run on a 770? |
| 04:18.18 | K`zan_800 | Pauliukas: Don't think so, at least not yet. |
| 04:18.32 | K`zan_800 | Anyone doing dev around? |
| 04:18.57 | K`zan_800 | Xephyr was installed but can't find it in scratchbox :-(. |
| 04:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | No, Pauliukas. |
| 04:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | I'm betting on late January for an OS2008HE |
| 04:20.09 | K`zan_800 | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite |
| 04:20.10 | K`zan_800 | bash: Xephyr: command not found |
| 04:20.10 | K`zan_800 | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/first] > |
| 04:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | You did it wrong. |
| 04:20.27 | truls | K`zan_800: you don't run it from scratchbox |
| 04:20.36 | K`zan_800 | Ah, ok, thanks. |
| 04:20.51 | K`zan_800 | Lemme go re-read that again. |
| 04:20.57 | Pauliukas | What the heck is Chinook? |
| 04:20.58 | _Monkey | Chinook is, like, the tag name for OS2008 |
| 04:21.02 | Pauliukas | oh |
| 04:21.09 | truls | heh |
| 04:21.14 | Pauliukas | Is _Monkey a bot? |
| 04:21.20 | K`zan_800 | Ah, duhhh :) Watch the prompts :) |
| 04:21.33 | captlloyd | What is the Internet? |
| 04:21.33 | _Monkey | i guess the Internet is in a loop? :-) |
| 04:21.47 | captlloyd | The Internet is a series of tubes. |
| 04:21.48 | Pauliukas | And how's developmetn for OS 2007 for the 770 going? |
| 04:21.54 | Pauliukas | I feel like doing something new with my 770. |
| 04:22.00 | Pauliukas | And I hate the opera crashes. |
| 04:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | There's nothing new. |
| 04:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is dead. |
| 04:22.09 | Pauliukas | hah |
| 04:22.18 | captlloyd | What is the Internet? |
| 04:22.18 | _Monkey | the Internet is in a loop? :-) |
| 04:22.22 | captlloyd | hmm |
| 04:22.25 | Pauliukas | Well I hope that 2008 can be ported to the 770. |
| 04:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | They're working on it. |
| 04:22.37 | Pauliukas | I'd hate to see that Nokia is enforcing a strict updating thing. |
| 04:22.45 | Pauliukas | I don't feel like buying a new device every year. |
| 04:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | They aren't |
| 04:22.55 | GeneralAntilles | but the 770 was really a dead-end from the start. |
| 04:22.56 | Pauliukas | Good. They better not. |
| 04:22.58 | Pauliukas | :-( |
| 04:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really a consumer oriented device. |
| 04:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | They're intentions were to sell it exclusively to the geek crowd. |
| 04:23.34 | Pauliukas | Right. And I love that idea. |
| 04:23.45 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 will have updates through at least OS2009 |
| 04:23.54 | Pauliukas | And 770? |
| 04:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | If they can get OS2008 on there, it will get OS2008 |
| 04:24.17 | GeneralAntilles | I'll guarantee it wont have the horsepower for OS2009, though. |
| 04:25.05 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't have a problem with dropping 400-500 a year for new NITs. |
| 04:25.10 | Pauliukas | Well, I think that in 2009, it'll be time to upgrade. |
| 04:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | (minus the N810, which isn't actually new) |
| 04:25.28 | Pauliukas | I bought my 770 just this summer, heh. |
| 04:25.35 | Pauliukas | But it's been amazing so far. |
| 04:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 04:26.03 | Pauliukas | I look at is as a laptop. It's fast, it has the internet, I can multitask and I carry it all around with me. |
| 04:26.08 | MagicFab | GeneralAntilles, thanks. Not obvious when I don't have the device yet :) |
| 04:26.13 | Pauliukas | I've even had people approach me and ask what it is. |
| 04:26.32 | Pauliukas | Personally, for me, it's an iPhone killer. (Because I'm not interested in cellphone functionality) |
| 04:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically a ridiculously small laptop, yes. |
| 04:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | But the 770 is two years old now. |
| 04:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | You kinda got in at the EOL. :) |
| 04:27.34 | Pauliukas | I thought that the whole open source thing would kind-of eliminate a said EOL. |
| 04:27.45 | Pauliukas | You know how much geeks hate throwing out old stuff. |
| 04:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if we didn't have so much binary stuff floating around. |
| 04:28.01 | Pauliukas | sigh. |
| 04:28.23 | GeneralAntilles | and, honestly, a 256MHz ARM core can only carry you so far. ;) |
| 04:28.42 | Pauliukas | I don't need it to be a speed daemon. |
| 04:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's not like the device will stop being usable if Nokia stops releasing updates. |
| 04:29.10 | K`zan | Well, apparently the sdk works :-). Rather than have to do all that again I just suspended the VM. |
| 04:29.30 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: Well, no, but... |
| 04:29.38 | Pauliukas | You don't get that new OS feel anymore. |
| 04:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, the software has already pretty much outstripped the hardware there. |
| 04:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's only gonna get worse. |
| 04:30.33 | MagicFab | GeneralAntilles, can you check what version of pidgin-otr is present in OS2008 ? |
| 04:30.39 | MagicFab | (please) |
| 04:31.06 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: I originally gotten the 770 because I wanted to have Internet on the go |
| 04:31.12 | Pauliukas | My other option was Opera on the DS. |
| 04:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry for the attitude earlier, MagicFab (I assumed you had it in front of you and were just being stupid :P). |
| 04:31.22 | Pauliukas | But that thing takes about 3 minutes to render the Slashdot page. |
| 04:31.39 | Pauliukas | I would have been happy with something that would have taken 30 seconds to render a page. |
| 04:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | 3.1.0-1nix0, MagicFab. |
| 04:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the 770 is a great device. |
| 04:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Bought my first one in November 2005. |
| 04:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | Bought a second when they hit woot during the summer. |
| 04:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | Got an N800 now. |
| 04:33.13 | pumpkingod | my n800 keeps forgetting the date |
| 04:33.15 | pumpkingod | I reset it |
| 04:33.20 | pumpkingod | and then after a restart it forgets it again |
| 04:33.22 | pumpkingod | :( |
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| 04:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | That's weird |
| 04:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | Never had that happen to me. |
| 04:35.55 | Pauliukas | Maybe it has an internal battery for keeping time of date? |
| 04:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, the big one. ;) |
| 04:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | Wish it had NTP built-in. |
| 04:38.51 | Pauliukas | I've removed the big battery on several occasions and it didn't lost track of the time. |
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| 04:39.05 | Pauliukas | Maybe it has a capacitor that can retain the thing for a few minutes... |
| 04:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | That would be my guess. |
| 04:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Because there are no internal batteries. |
| 04:39.42 | Pauliukas | Did anyone dissect the 770 or 800? |
| 04:39.42 | sciboy | Is there a torrent tracker for maemo? Already encoded video and such. |
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| 04:39.58 | Pauliukas | Any photo galleries for that out of curiosity. |
| 04:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . no, sciboy. |
| 04:40.06 | Pauliukas | sciboy: That'd be a splendid idea but I don't think so. |
| 04:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | Install mediaserv or something. |
| 04:40.24 | K`zan | Pauliukas: I've heard that there are videos on utube showing that, but I haven't checked - mine it too new for that :). |
| 04:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen them for both |
| 04:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | they're out there |
| 04:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall where, though. |
| 04:41.35 | Pauliukas | http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening |
| 04:41.51 | Pauliukas | http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/770Disassembly |
| 04:42.55 | Pauliukas | I've always wondered where the wifi antenna was located |
| 04:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody need a keyboard: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igbtkb.jpg |
| 04:45.23 | Pauliukas | http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dywlV40L3rA |
| 04:45.35 | Pauliukas | I'm surprised. It doesn't look smoother than my 770. |
| 04:45.41 | Pauliukas | Yet, it has a way faster chip in it. |
| 04:45.50 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: 404 |
| 04:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | I should learn to type. ;) |
| 04:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg |
| 04:46.33 | Pauliukas | Wow. Looks sexah. |
| 04:46.39 | sciboy | Pauliukas, Yeah, now there's a decent torrent tracker it'd be great to be able to distributed CC stuff for direct use on the device. |
| 04:46.42 | Pauliukas | How much are these keyboards like that these days? |
| 04:46.47 | sciboy | torrent application* |
| 04:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon.com had them for $30USD |
| 04:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | I picked mine up last Friday |
| 04:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | They're probably still up. |
| 04:47.15 | Pauliukas | sciboy: Yeah, and I wish there were podcasts which distributed videos in that format too. |
| 04:47.22 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: Amazon is great, but I'm in Canada. |
| 04:47.29 | Pauliukas | The Canadian amazon only sells books and CDs. |
| 04:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:47.38 | Pauliukas | And usually, electronics are way more expensive than US. |
| 04:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | Sucks for yoooouuuuu! |
| 04:47.48 | Pauliukas | I know it does. |
| 04:48.00 | Pauliukas | I was looking at bluetooth keyboards in local stores. |
| 04:48.08 | Pauliukas | They run like around 120 to 200 dollars. |
| 04:48.14 | straind | Is that a Palm related keyboard? |
| 04:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:48.49 | sciboy | Gosh BT keyboards are pricey. |
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| 04:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1196311731&sr=8-1 |
| 04:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it WAS $30 |
| 04:49.07 | straind | There's a Palm Shortcut on the Ctrl key. |
| 04:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's made to work with Palms |
| 04:49.22 | GeneralAntilles | but it's not a Palm keyboard |
| 04:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | it's just a generic bluetooth keyboard. |
| 04:51.43 | sciboy | I <3 Blender |
| 04:51.51 | Pauliukas | Is it actually good? |
| 04:51.56 | Pauliukas | Compared to 3dsm and Maya. |
| 04:52.19 | astro76 | GeneralAntilles, guess it's over, it was still 29.99 earlier... glad I got mine ;) |
| 04:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Blender sucks compared to Cinema 4D. |
| 04:52.54 | sciboy | Pauliukas, I'm not into comparisons, but it works well. |
| 04:53.30 | sciboy | Pauliukas, I'd be interested to see if we could get the game engine running under Maemo. |
| 04:53.42 | Pauliukas | Hah. I don't think so. |
| 04:53.49 | Pauliukas | Isn't Blender a 3D thing too? |
| 04:53.56 | sciboy | Yep, OpenGL. |
| 04:54.04 | Pauliukas | Don't tell me that the 810 has a graphic accelerator chip in it... |
| 04:54.10 | sciboy | No it doesn't. |
| 04:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 does, too. |
| 04:54.24 | sciboy | Actually it does, but we don't have a driver. |
| 04:54.34 | Pauliukas | Wow... You're kidding me. |
| 04:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:54.40 | Pauliukas | So wait, what's the use then? |
| 04:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | Mr. Misinformation. :P |
| 04:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't one. |
| 04:54.46 | Pauliukas | An accelerator without use? |
| 04:54.50 | Pauliukas | Nokia loves to waste money? |
| 04:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | There's also a hot-ass video decoder in there |
| 04:55.02 | Pauliukas | I can just imagine a bunch of swedish people round the table. |
| 04:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | but no drivers for that, either. |
| 04:55.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's not really an added cost. |
| 04:55.17 | Pauliukas | "And let's put a 3D graphicz accelrator chip in there for no reason at all" |
| 04:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP cores from TI come with them whether you want them or not (basically). |
| 04:55.27 | Pauliukas | I have no idea why I'm imagining them with german accents, though. |
| 04:55.35 | Pauliukas | Ah. |
| 04:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know why they haven't given us drivers, though. |
| 04:55.44 | Pauliukas | But I'm sure it's not as fast as a dedicated chip. |
| 04:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | Although it MAY be related to the custom LCD controller they had to work up to get 800x480 in there. |
| 04:56.15 | Pauliukas | Bahahaha: http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 04:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | It'll play Quake 3 on the similarly equipped Axims. |
| 04:56.31 | sciboy | Anyway that aside, the N800+ has hardware vfp, it should be able to handle software rendering without too many polygons flying around. (and maybe half-the-res) |
| 04:57.20 | oil_ | Pauliukas: where do you get the swedes to the picture? |
| 04:57.51 | Pauliukas | oil_: Nokia is swedish? I don't know. |
| 04:57.55 | sciboy | Someone had it working on the 770 and mesa. |
| 04:58.16 | oil_ | Pauliukas: Ericksson is swdish. Nokia is Finnish. |
| 04:58.30 | Pauliukas | Oh right. Stupid me. |
| 04:59.05 | MagicFab | GeneralAntilles, many thanks (otr version) |
| 04:59.24 | oil_ | well. that's ok. anyway.. when blaiming nokia to being stupid.. it's good to put the blame on swedish ;-) |
| 05:00.04 | sciboy | Pauliukas, Oh and I forgot to mention that there's a port for pocketpc. In any case I think the hardware can take it if someone did the tweaking of a build. |
| 05:01.53 | Pauliukas | Ah. |
| 05:04.45 | sciboy | That and I'm working on stuff in the game engine already, if there was a half-way working port I'd have something I could contribute to. |
| 05:09.55 | Pauliukas | The internet tablet would be an amazing gaming devide. |
| 05:09.58 | Pauliukas | *device |
| 05:10.06 | Pauliukas | I'm sick of the DS. Such a waste of money. |
| 05:11.56 | kulve | sciboy: sw rendering is *slow* on the device |
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| 05:12.02 | Pauliukas | But I'm not japanese. |
| 05:12.12 | truls | it can actually read written kanji, which i can't input (well) on the n800 |
| 05:12.28 | truls | Pauliukas: neither am I. |
| 05:12.33 | Pauliukas | lol |
| 05:13.01 | sciboy | kulve, Software rendering is always slow |
| 05:13.19 | kulve | sciboy: yeah, but you can render like 10 polygons with that device.. |
| 05:13.30 | sciboy | kulve, That's more than I could ever hope for. |
| 05:13.42 | sciboy | kulve, What resolution are we talking? |
| 05:13.52 | sciboy | kulve, 800x480 or 400x240? |
| 05:14.29 | kulve | friend of mine was running a textured cube with vincent on the device, and it was 400x240 with pixel doubling |
| 05:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | Pauliukas, really? Sick of the DS? |
| 05:14.50 | sciboy | An entire cube? good frame rate? |
| 05:14.50 | GeneralAntilles | I had been considering getting one |
| 05:14.59 | kulve | I can't remember the exact rates, but it was 10-20 fps, iirc |
| 05:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | seems like a lot of good games are available. |
| 05:15.06 | sciboy | Cool! |
| 05:15.32 | kulve | that was open gl es |
| 05:15.35 | kulve | but now I'm off |
| 05:15.59 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: Heck no! |
| 05:16.02 | truls | and soon you'll have mario party |
| 05:16.07 | Pauliukas | All the games are aimed at 12 year olds. |
| 05:16.25 | Pauliukas | I'm _trying_ to playing Zelda right now and I can swear you that this thing makes children queer. |
| 05:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | You have a Wii? |
| 05:16.45 | Pauliukas | Most of the games are casual games. For me, that's just time wasting. |
| 05:16.53 | Pauliukas | No. Same problem with the Wii. No good games. |
| 05:16.58 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 05:17.00 | Pauliukas | People with the Wii only mostly play Wii sports. |
| 05:17.01 | truls | mario galaxy is fun |
| 05:17.16 | sciboy | kulve, All I need is a few planes to do a 2D game. |
| 05:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Twilight Princess, Metroid, Mario Galaxy |
| 05:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | I have a ton of fun at parties with Rayman and Wii Sports. |
| 05:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | Smash will be along soon enough |
| 05:17.40 | truls | woo, smash |
| 05:17.44 | sciboy | Rayman is awesome. |
| 05:17.49 | sciboy | Arm killer. |
| 05:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | There are a bunch coming out right now that are supposed to be great (I need to hit up Target :\) |
| 05:18.36 | GeneralAntilles | RE4 for Wii was a ton of fun. |
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| 05:19.18 | Pauliukas | GeneralAntilles: But the thing that annoys me the MOST |
| 05:19.33 | Pauliukas | We're in 2007... And most of the DS games take no more than 8MB of space. |
| 05:19.44 | Pauliukas | They use crappy sprites and MIDI music everywhere. |
| 05:19.50 | Pauliukas | I mean, geez. Please |
| 05:19.50 | sciboy | 30mhz |
| 05:20.06 | Pauliukas | The DS has 2 processors. I think one 33 and the other 66 |
| 05:20.09 | Pauliukas | And 4MB of RAM. |
| 05:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | Really, I want my 360 back from Microsoft. |
| 05:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | Mass Effect is out and I can't even play it. :( |
| 05:21.33 | Pauliukas | Wow. The game that I'm playing right now is utter rubbish. |
| 05:21.52 | Pauliukas | The music is pathetic and what's up with that old-school RPG text dialog fetish. |
| 05:22.11 | Pauliukas | In EVERY game out there they have these dialogs. And what they say is just nonsense too |
| 05:22.13 | Pauliukas | "Hello" |
| 05:22.15 | Pauliukas | "Hi" |
| 05:22.20 | Pauliukas | "Shall we play a game?" |
| 05:22.21 | Pauliukas | "Sure" |
| 05:22.25 | Pauliukas | Rubbish! |
| 05:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody ever get around to playing Elebits? |
| 05:23.18 | Pauliukas | no |
| 05:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | That stuff is unreal. |
| 05:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Probably the most immersive use of motion control so far. |
| 05:23.50 | GeneralAntilles | Gameplay gets a little old after a while |
| 05:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | so it's a rental |
| 05:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | but damn |
| 05:24.21 | Pauliukas | The DS game I'm on right now has a weird UI which changes every second. |
| 05:24.24 | sciboy | How responsive is the controls? |
| 05:24.29 | Pauliukas | Damn weird japanese people. |
| 05:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | I was very impressed, sciboy. |
| 05:24.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's not 100% |
| 05:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | But once you get a feel for it you stop thinking about it. |
| 05:25.04 | sciboy | Cool. =D |
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| 05:28.39 | K`zan | Where is that 2007 fmradio applet hidden?!?! |
| 05:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | I hope Nokia will help out with the gaming side of the ITs in the future. |
| 05:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | You on OS2007, K`zan? |
| 05:29.12 | K`zan | No, but I got the sdk going and thought I'd see about porting it. |
| 05:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, good luck. :) |
| 05:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | google it. |
| 05:29.43 | K`zan | Something I rather enjoted having on 2007.... |
| 05:30.01 | K`zan | google on "fmradio" on google, sure, I'll try it. |
| 05:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | It wont be more than 2 weeks before we have it. |
| 05:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, no |
| 05:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | google: maemo fm radio applet |
| 05:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | or: n800 fm radio |
| 05:30.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sheesh |
| 05:30.35 | K`zan | Patience IS a virtue. Being PATIENT now... :-) |
| 05:31.18 | K`zan | Thanks, google was less than useless for a change :). |
| 05:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | Google is usually less than useless. ;) |
| 05:32.10 | timelyx | K`zan: it's nokia code |
| 05:32.21 | timelyx | afaik it isn't open source |
| 05:32.28 | timelyx | it's not great code either |
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| 06:29.38 | corevette | so how do i update my nokia 770, ijust got one |
| 06:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | What are you on? |
| 06:30.40 | |R | corevette : never had one but try the wiki on maemo.org :) |
| 06:32.18 | corevette | also, it came with memory in two parts, they are attached to eachother, one says 64 mb and one says 2gig |
| 06:42.34 | VimS | ô_Ô |
| 06:42.46 | VimS | memory in 2 parts? |
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| 06:42.54 | VimS | one big one small ? |
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| 06:43.31 | VimS | http://www.mp4-mobile.eu/images/miniSD_2GB_Adapter.gif <- like this ? |
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| 06:46.26 | corevette | vims: it looks like one giant memory card but is split in two |
| 06:46.27 | corevette | hold on |
| 06:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | You have random N800s? |
| 06:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | Wow. |
| 06:48.16 | |R | hehe |
| 06:48.30 | |R | i mostly have random english, but sometimes its the n800 :P |
| 06:50.32 | corevette | vims: http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg |
| 06:50.41 | corevette | http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0179.jpg |
| 06:50.44 | corevette | sorry for crappy images |
| 06:52.04 | |R | weird card |
| 06:52.07 | zuh | That's a reduced-size MMC and it's adapter. I guess the 2GB hints at the max size of an rs-MMC, dunno why it should be on the adapter though |
| 06:52.21 | zuh | (the adapter makes it a normal-sized MMC) |
| 06:52.24 | corevette | it says 2gb on the adapter |
| 06:52.28 | corevette | i figured |
| 06:53.19 | corevette | oh nevermind |
| 06:53.21 | corevette | that's stupid |
| 06:53.26 | corevette | the adapter says 2gb |
| 06:53.30 | corevette | and the actual card says nothing |
| 06:53.37 | corevette | so i figured it was just nothing on the card |
| 06:53.43 | |R | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26714&promoid=1078 <- if anybody is looking for an n800 in .ca land ... |
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| 06:57.39 | tneurt | anyone have an address for ruby-dbus n800 build? |
| 06:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ |
| 06:59.54 | tneurt | thx |
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| 07:02.43 | tneurt | what pkg do i want for ruby-dbus? the devel one? |
| 07:04.37 | corevette | how do you install 2007 hacked edition |
| 07:05.14 | K`zan | timelyx: Thanks, I guess I'll wait for fmradio :-). |
| 07:05.25 | GeneralAntilles | *Hacker Edition, corevette. . . . |
| 07:05.34 | GeneralAntilles | and the same way you install any other firmware. |
| 07:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | Flash it |
| 07:05.37 | _Monkey | Firmware and associated utilities are available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
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| 07:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | 1Wow |
| 07:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | A useful answer. |
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| 07:10.08 | K`zan | Night folks! |
| 07:12.39 | corevette | _monkey, it says the 770 cannot open bin images |
| 07:12.39 | _Monkey | corevette: what? |
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| 07:15.18 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, corevette, you have to FLASH the device. |
| 07:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | What platform are you on. |
| 07:15.32 | GeneralAntilles | Also: _Monkey is a bot, so talking to him is a bad plan. :) |
| 07:15.46 | corevette | generalantilles: a nokia 770, how do i flash it |
| 07:16.07 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously I can tell what device you're using. |
| 07:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | What COMPUTER platform are you on? |
| 07:16.33 | corevette | generalantilles: vista + ubuntu |
| 07:16.36 | corevette | either one |
| 07:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu |
| 07:16.46 | _Monkey | somebody said Ubuntu was alright |
| 07:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
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| 07:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, download the OS2007HE image to your computer |
| 07:17.15 | pupnik | sidux? |
| 07:17.16 | _Monkey | hmmm... sidux is a distro that tracks debian sid and catches problems/incompatibilities in an updater script. Very fast/light livecd. Very fast/clean install. The less-annoying alternative to Ubuntu. http://www.sidux.com |
| 07:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | download the flasher to your computer |
| 07:17.32 | corevette | generalantilles: is it easier on linux? i'm on windows right now and would be easier if there was a windows one |
| 07:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | then run the flasher as root with the 770 plugged in and turned off |
| 07:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's much more reliable on Linux |
| 07:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm not even sure the flasher runs under Vista. |
| 07:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | Though you could try. |
| 07:18.19 | corevette | this link doesn't work http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_770/ |
| 07:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php?f=SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 07:21.01 | VimS | corevette: just one question: do you realy want hackerOS2007 on your 2007 ? |
| 07:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 07:22.29 | VimS | errr 770 |
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| 07:23.47 | corevette | vims: yes |
| 07:23.54 | corevette | vims why would i not |
| 07:24.25 | VimS | well i've been using it for a while and basicly: it sucks ;) |
| 07:24.37 | VimS | browser crashes often, device reboots |
| 07:24.48 | VimS | and compared to os2006 its kind of slow |
| 07:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting, I've used both extensively on two 770s. |
| 07:25.22 | GeneralAntilles | and had exactly the opposite experience. |
| 07:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | Did you ever install seatbelt, VimS? |
| 07:25.33 | VimS | it was only after the latest he07 release that i flashed back to os06 |
| 07:25.40 | VimS | yes i did |
| 07:26.18 | VimS | you are realy sayin that os07 isnt slow at all on your 770 ? |
| 07:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's slow compared to my N800 |
| 07:26.50 | GeneralAntilles | but faster than 2006 |
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| 07:27.34 | VimS | did you do anything other than install seatbelt ? |
| 07:27.37 | tneurt | wow |
| 07:28.37 | tneurt | still looking for an n800 build of ruby-dbus.. anyone know of a site? |
| 07:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | If it's not on alterego's site, it's not anywhere. |
| 07:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe he rolled it into one of the other .debs? |
| 07:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | The two 770s are my couch and nightstand browsers. |
| 07:29.29 | GeneralAntilles | They work really well. |
| 07:32.45 | corevette | generalantilles: do you think they will release os2008 HE? |
| 07:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | That's the intention, yes. |
| 07:33.15 | tneurt | yeah the only deb i cant get to work is the 'dev' one |
| 07:33.18 | tneurt | heh |
| 07:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | But it's really a question of man-hours. |
| 07:33.43 | pupnik | "The Mythical Man-Month" - book |
| 07:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | The HE stuff is basically a "sparetime" project for maemo. |
| 07:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, pupnik! |
| 07:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | (You're becoming almost as random as _Monkey. :P) |
| 07:34.21 | oil_ | how does /etc/network/if-up.d/ work? I created and script called foo.sh to it, set the cdmo 755, but the script is not run when connecting to the wlan |
| 07:37.22 | |R | good question.. |
| 07:38.06 | |R | # post-up /etc/network/if-up.d/foo.sh |
| 07:38.19 | |R | to you /etc/network/interfaces maybe... |
| 07:38.23 | |R | (from what i googled...) |
| 07:38.30 | |R | without the # :) |
| 07:39.16 | oil_ | hmm. I'll try something like that |
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| 07:57.05 | tneurt | ruby-dbus where are you!? |
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| 08:06.09 | corevette | how do you change your sources.list on maemo |
| 08:06.32 | pupnik | you can edit with application manager |
| 08:06.37 | pupnik | or vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:10.33 | corevette | gregale vs. mistral? |
| 08:10.57 | oil_ | the if-up.d did not work out. and also in the networks, there is no definition of wlan0 |
| 08:11.23 | oil_ | s/networks/interfaces/ |
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| 08:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | Bora for OS2007, corevette. |
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| 08:19.24 | corevette | huh generalantilles? |
| 08:19.25 | _Monkey | i think generalantilles is right. Using Jaffa's 770-encode |
| 08:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hell yes! |
| 08:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | But also irrelevant. |
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| 08:25.14 | timelyx | hrm, is there a /dev/video on the n800? |
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| 08:27.02 | pupnik | not that i know - also no /dev/dsp |
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| 08:27.30 | timelyx | pupnik: can i interest you in hacking some code? |
| 08:27.47 | timelyx | one file, <2000 lines, all it needs is tlc (and v4l and ...) |
| 08:27.54 | pupnik | hah |
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| 08:28.01 | pupnik | what is? |
| 08:28.04 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/revolutionlinux/source/trunk/libflashsupport/src/flashsupport.c |
| 08:28.43 | timelyx | the first obvious bug is line 1486 |
| 08:29.37 | pupnik | i see |
| 08:29.43 | timelyx | (there's also an OOM bug between 1483 and 1484 (failure to null check malloc) |
| 08:30.28 | timelyx | there's also an error path from 1481/1522/1523 |
| 08:30.33 | timelyx | dereferencing null instance |
| 08:30.47 | pupnik | include <linux/videodev.h> <<- this is available for n800? |
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| 08:31.12 | timelyx | yes |
| 08:31.14 | pupnik | i am havingk only 770 device for the using |
| 08:31.17 | timelyx | here's an easy trick: |
| 08:31.18 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/videodev.h |
| 08:31.23 | timelyx | click "find it elsewhere" |
| 08:31.46 | pupnik | cool |
| 08:31.47 | pupnik | nice |
| 08:32.08 | timelyx | that's for people too lazy to type /find?string=videodev.h |
| 08:32.21 | timelyx | note that /source/videodev.h is not really much shorter, and will fine you one click |
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| 08:32.41 | timelyx | anyway... |
| 08:33.05 | timelyx | think that's enough to get you started? :) |
| 08:33.28 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=v4l |
| 08:34.14 | pupnik | can you look at software that does use video camera? |
| 08:34.18 | pupnik | source code |
| 08:34.18 | _Monkey | source code is accesible? |
| 08:34.27 | timelyx | _Monkey forget source code |
| 08:34.28 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot source code |
| 08:34.44 | timelyx | _Monkey source code is http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ |
| 08:34.45 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 08:35.02 | timelyx | pupnik: the v4l link is "close enough" to that |
| 08:35.32 | timelyx | man, that's annoying |
| 08:35.42 | timelyx | my phone beeps at me every couple of minutes to tell me it's done charging |
| 08:35.52 | pupnik | find person who knows how to use v4l and make them help you |
| 08:36.02 | timelyx | sorry, they're busy :) |
| 08:36.18 | timelyx | seriously, i'm already poking them to help me add <video> support to the browser |
| 08:36.29 | timelyx | and given a choice between <video> for browser and camera for flash |
| 08:36.33 | pupnik | HELP TIMELYX |
| 08:36.38 | timelyx | i'll take <video> for browser |
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| 08:36.49 | pupnik | hmm |
| 08:36.55 | kupesoft | Is there a package for wireless-tools for the n800? |
| 08:37.07 | kupesoft | os2008 |
| 08:37.08 | _Monkey | hmmm... os2008 is really fast |
| 08:37.52 | vegai | hmm, could the n810s come to europe already? |
| 08:37.55 | timelyx | _Monkey package search is http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 08:37.56 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 08:38.08 | timelyx | => kupesoft |
| 08:38.29 | timelyx | vegai: patience is a virtue |
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| 08:38.50 | timelyx | _Monkey patience is also not to be found in this domain |
| 08:38.51 | _Monkey | okay, timelyx. |
| 08:39.01 | timelyx | patience! |
| 08:39.01 | _Monkey | rumour has it patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue... or not to be found in this domain |
| 08:39.16 | czr | timelyx, patients are gonna hurt you :-) |
| 08:39.20 | czr | that's how I always hear it |
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| 08:40.59 | kupesoft | timelyx perfect, thanks |
| 08:41.05 | vegai | but am I a virtuous man... |
| 08:41.52 | *** topic/#maemo by timelyx -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html |
| 08:44.29 | czr | you could always tinyurl all of those! |
| 08:44.41 | timelyx | then people wouldn't know what they're for |
| 08:44.47 | timelyx | kinda defeats the point |
| 08:44.56 | czr | or even better, make a page, which contains all of those urls, then tinyurl that, and then you have ultrasweet & short topic :-) |
| 08:44.58 | timelyx | i could probably ask justdave for mxr.justdave.net |
| 08:45.11 | czr | it's not like it's very obvious even now either |
| 08:45.29 | timelyx | i claim irc log is moderately clear |
| 08:45.29 | czr | "even now either" = meh. need coffee. |
| 08:45.59 | czr | timelyx, 1/4 = not there yet :-) |
| 08:46.10 | czr | the last link is ok too |
| 08:46.33 | czr | so that's 50%. and since we're glass is full-people, that's good enough :-) |
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| 08:47.21 | timelyx | hey, we have descriptive text, so i claim 3/5 parts of the topic are helpful/obvious :) |
| 08:48.32 | guardian | mornin maemo! |
| 08:49.31 | czr | timelyx, i propose to change to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets (for the moments when you have Internet Headache) | ... |
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| 08:51.21 | timelyx | czr: we could probably do {text} | /msg _Monkey source reference | /msg _Monkey package search | /msg _Monkey irc log | /msg _Monkey n800 os2008 beta |
| 08:52.02 | timelyx | it hides the links but arguably improves the readability.... |
| 08:54.28 | timelyx | czr / Jaffa/ someone, i need a rubber chicken or wet trout in isle... |
| 08:54.37 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1719#c2 |
| 08:54.55 | timelyx | maybe aisle |
| 08:55.50 | keesj | timelyx: I don't understand the rubber thing |
| 08:56.13 | timelyx | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_chicken ? |
| 08:56.21 | keesj | the problem is keyboard related , entering passwords in other parts of maemo does not work either(gtalk stuff ) for example |
| 08:56.48 | timelyx | keesj: right, and anyone can search for: keyboard password |
| 08:56.52 | timelyx | and they'll find the right bug |
| 08:56.55 | timelyx | but this guy didn't |
| 08:57.02 | timelyx | and i'd rather someone else yell at him |
| 08:57.09 | timelyx | it's the wrong bug. |
| 08:57.10 | timelyx | try using https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=keyboard+password bug 2263 |
| 08:57.11 | _Monkey | Bug 2263 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2263 |
| 08:57.20 | timelyx | you could use the text i wrote there ^^ |
| 08:57.23 | timelyx | or write your own |
| 08:57.47 | timelyx | note: quicksearch is reached by entering words into the search field on the root page <https://bugs.maemo.org> |
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| 08:59.43 | czr | timelyx, any size preferences? :-) |
| 08:59.47 | keesj | me did also enter a password field bug |
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| 08:59.59 | keesj | it's bugilla that sucks big time |
| 09:00.09 | timelyx | keesj: i know you did, redeem yourself :) |
| 09:00.24 | keesj | don't blame people for a lame system |
| 09:00.29 | czr | one of my bugs was invalidated! |
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| 09:02.10 | keesj | enter "#2263" in the search field and get zero zarrooo bugs |
| 09:02.14 | timelyx | interesting |
| 09:02.44 | timelyx | entiering #2263 in the find field gets me 706 :) |
| 09:02.47 | Spakman_ | keesj: got to agree, Bugzilla search is pretty dreadful |
| 09:02.47 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%232263 |
| 09:03.33 | keesj | is like jira and the system that kde uses(perhaps a modded bugzilla?) |
| 09:03.40 | timelyx | ok, for the reference, this user searched for: os2008+thumb |
| 09:03.55 | timelyx | don't ask me why he chose os2008 instead of password |
| 09:04.02 | timelyx | seems kinda stupid |
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| 09:05.03 | Jaffa | Nirbubgm akk |
| 09:07.32 | Jaffa | timelyx: I'll go a happy-slapping. |
| 09:08.01 | timelyx | thanks |
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| 09:11.34 | timelyx | hi blassey |
| 09:11.45 | blassey | hi timelyx |
| 09:12.14 | blassey | does anyone know how to show and hide the virtual keyboard? |
| 09:12.23 | timelyx | n810? |
| 09:12.24 | _Monkey | n810 is a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot... |
| 09:12.26 | timelyx | control panel |
| 09:12.32 | timelyx | text settings (?) |
| 09:12.37 | timelyx | enable stylus input methods |
| 09:12.39 | timelyx | (second tab?) |
| 09:12.40 | blassey | n800 |
| 09:12.49 | blassey | programatically |
| 09:12.52 | timelyx | oh |
| 09:12.57 | timelyx | microb does that :) |
| 09:13.00 | timelyx | you can read that code |
| 09:13.16 | blassey | I see hildon_im_context_send_command in the source |
| 09:13.24 | blassey | but that's not in an exposed header |
| 09:13.26 | czr | should probably document the local mirroring thingy |
| 09:13.30 | blassey | that I could find |
| 09:14.13 | timelyx | # ; |
| 09:14.13 | timelyx | # line 2274 -- hildon_gtk_im_context_show (im); |
| 09:14.28 | timelyx | blassey: that's from a brutal text search |
| 09:14.31 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-eal%2Fsrc%2F&string=im |
| 09:15.06 | blassey | appreciate it |
| 09:15.10 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=hildon_gtk_im_context_show |
| 09:15.17 | timelyx | that's the api "decl" and friends |
| 09:16.27 | timelyx | blassey: do take advantage of the xref, it's there to serve :) |
| 09:16.47 | blassey | didn't think to look at the microb code |
| 09:17.17 | blassey | kinda assumed that gtk text boxes were taking care of it automagically |
| 09:17.23 | timelyx | you're doing what again exactly? :) |
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| 09:18.13 | blassey | fixing the fact that the keyboard doesn't get raised in firefox |
| 09:18.13 | blassey | http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2007/11/27/minefield-on-the-n800/ |
| 09:18.27 | timelyx | blassey: right, you're hacking a gecko... |
| 09:18.36 | blassey | yup |
| 09:18.46 | timelyx | so where's the first place you should look for anything? :) |
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| 09:19.13 | blassey | yea yea |
| 09:19.17 | blassey | I was looking here |
| 09:19.18 | blassey | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/ |
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| 09:19.53 | timelyx | internally i have that cross referenced |
| 09:20.05 | timelyx | as part of the same thing that cross references http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ |
| 09:20.14 | timelyx | however atm i'm not sure if i have that cross referenced |
| 09:20.15 | czr | hmm. stupid questoin. how do I get a pipe character with 810 keyboard? |
| 09:20.19 | czr | question even. |
| 09:20.24 | timelyx | for now, your starting points should be chinook and garage |
| 09:20.38 | timelyx | garage holding microb and chinook being the api/sdk |
| 09:20.49 | timelyx | czr: depends on key layout |
| 09:20.53 | timelyx | i use the ae! char |
| 09:21.00 | timelyx | it's on the second or third tab |
| 09:21.06 | czr | looks like scandinavian |
| 09:21.07 | blassey | sounds good |
| 09:21.08 | kaltsi | czr with the help of the 'Chr' key |
| 09:21.08 | timelyx | iirc in en-GB it's available in a shift |
| 09:21.14 | blassey | sure beats grep anyway |
| 09:21.29 | timelyx | blassey: indeed |
| 09:21.34 | czr | kaltsi, thanks |
| 09:21.48 | timelyx | kaltsi: cheater |
| 09:21.52 | kaltsi | :D |
| 09:22.18 | timelyx | you triggered at least 2 reflows, sit in the corner for at least 2 wait cycles |
| 09:22.44 | timelyx | totally broken |
| 09:23.25 | timelyx | blassey, ah http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo-all/source/ |
| 09:23.32 | timelyx | there's a /maemo-all/ but no /maemo/ :) |
| 09:23.51 | timelyx | note: you don't really want to use -all's unless you're comparing code |
| 09:24.05 | timelyx | (-all's also tend to be too painful for the indexers) |
| 09:24.17 | blassey | makes sense |
| 09:24.27 | blassey | still useful though |
| 09:24.36 | timelyx | -all means full svn, for when i don't have the time/energy to make symlink mazes |
| 09:24.39 | blassey | again...my metric right now is "better than grep" |
| 09:24.46 | timelyx | and it also means i can svn up easier |
| 09:24.51 | timelyx | yeah yeah |
| 09:24.52 | guardian | pardon my ignorance: microb is the new mozilla based browser ? |
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| 09:25.00 | timelyx | microb? |
| 09:25.01 | _Monkey | microb is, like, the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
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| 09:25.27 | timelyx | guardian: oddly, sometimes _Monkey isn't useless |
| 09:25.31 | guardian | :) |
| 09:26.47 | HGFB | I don't think I've ever seen a GPS take as long as this to figure out where it was |
| 09:26.50 | sxpert | HGFB, lucky you... you can actually curse it |
| 09:27.01 | czr | timelyx, ae on mine puts out ae |
| 09:27.12 | timelyx | czr: i was thinking about vkb |
| 09:27.13 | czr | although I seemed to notice some kind of bug in how the thing works. |
| 09:27.18 | czr | ah. I wasn't |
| 09:27.26 | guardian | i don't use my tablet often, i'm so lagging behind |
| 09:27.29 | timelyx | you know the key i mean, right? |
| 09:27.56 | czr | timelyx, ah, the &!e one? |
| 09:28.20 | czr | btw, that key does not work in SDK ;-) |
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| 09:33.28 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 09:34.12 | timelyx | ?! |
| 09:34.13 | timelyx | file a bug? |
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| 09:34.58 | timelyx | Jaffa: note that phi is a hit and runner, he spammed the bug but didn't vote or cc |
| 09:35.13 | timelyx | so you might want to send him a note :( |
| 09:36.00 | czr | timelyx, I've filed a bug. it's classed as enhancement now ;-) |
| 09:36.19 | czr | timelyx, 2289 |
| 09:38.22 | timelyx | there's no internal bug ref there |
| 09:39.02 | timelyx | hey, can you select HWR in sdk? :) |
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| 09:39.18 | czr | I have no idea |
| 09:39.28 | czr | (don't have a working SDK right now) |
| 09:40.02 | czr | I'd expect for the HWR to me missing completely |
| 09:40.27 | timelyx | i'm wondering if it's properly missing or buggily missing :) |
| 09:40.42 | czr | probably latter |
| 09:40.50 | timelyx | right :) |
| 09:40.52 | czr | "missing with extra features" |
| 09:42.43 | czr | trunk or branch? |
| 09:45.41 | timelyx | there's no such thing |
| 09:45.50 | timelyx | in this case i think connectivity doesn't even have a trunk |
| 09:46.00 | timelyx | which is the reason i'm kicking it |
| 09:47.27 | czr | single tree? that's .. evil :-) |
| 09:47.48 | czr | although my personal projects are also like that. but since there are no other people messing with my code, I can live with it |
| 09:47.58 | czr | and I never do anything I would regret later anyway.. /me hides |
| 09:49.00 | timelyx | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-libs/ |
| 09:49.11 | timelyx | no trunk |
| 09:49.22 | timelyx | which means i can't point to an always "latest' something |
| 09:49.28 | timelyx | i have to magically know when to change the link |
| 09:49.35 | czr | of course |
| 09:49.44 | timelyx | yeah, i'll get that right |
| 09:49.51 | czr | or ask repo-maintainers to make a magical conf file for each project that you can read and use that |
| 09:50.01 | L0cutus | hello! is 'pand' command available on OS2008 ? |
| 09:50.03 | czr | although you know that that won't ever happen |
| 09:50.45 | czr | timelyx, http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2666700071126.gif |
| 09:51.10 | czr | or maybe even "hee hee"s. |
| 09:57.32 | timelyx | i'm trying to remember if haf still lives in stage.maemo |
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| 09:57.37 | timelyx | i thought they moved to gnome.org |
| 09:57.46 | pupnik | wow, scott adams gets it |
| 09:57.56 | timelyx | this surprises you? |
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| 09:58.59 | timelyx | ok, they seem to still be using stage at least if http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Building is trustworthy |
| 09:59.45 | czr | this surprises you? |
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| 10:00.01 | timelyx | which part? |
| 10:00.09 | czr | trustworthy :-) |
| 10:00.26 | czr | or rather, they using stage |
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| 10:00.55 | timelyx | i'm not claiming it's trustworthy |
| 10:00.57 | timelyx | the stage bit |
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| 10:02.04 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
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| 10:04.17 | Segnale007 | hi there |
| 10:04.18 | _Monkey | privet, Segnale007 |
| 10:09.38 | timelyx | blassey: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/ should be useful/usable eventually |
| 10:09.50 | timelyx | it's scheduled to pull in haf next |
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| 10:16.08 | timelyx | czr: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/ is fun |
| 10:18.27 | pupnik | Thu Nov 29 10:16:24 UTC 2007 |
| 10:19.35 | czr | timelyx, interesting files |
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| 10:25.43 | timelyx | czr: reload |
| 10:26.08 | timelyx | nevermind |
| 10:26.14 | czr | different icons this time :-) |
| 10:26.39 | czr | incorrect permissions methinks? |
| 10:27.17 | timelyx | no, the symlinks point to things that don't exist <yet> |
| 10:27.34 | timelyx | i created the symlinks in advance |
| 10:27.41 | timelyx | svn will make them valid <eventually> |
| 10:27.56 | czr | ah. silly of mxr to treat them as regular files |
| 10:28.10 | timelyx | i'm working on it |
| 10:28.15 | czr | work harder! |
| 10:28.25 | timelyx | bah |
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| 10:31.18 | timelyx | ok, reload, i think i gotit |
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| 10:33.08 | czr | nope |
| 10:33.13 | czr | don't you test your stuff yourself? |
| 10:33.14 | timelyx | nope? |
| 10:33.26 | timelyx | what do you see? |
| 10:33.32 | czr | broken icons |
| 10:33.36 | czr | "this file does not exists"s |
| 10:33.45 | timelyx | that's correct |
| 10:33.56 | czr | err. so why did you want me to reload? |
| 10:34.16 | timelyx | they won't exist until svn stops diddling with haf/maemo-branches/IT-2005/packaging/tags/gtk+2.0/2.6.4-1.osso73 |
| 10:34.31 | timelyx | well, the previous time it would always give out broken icons for all files |
| 10:34.38 | timelyx | now it only does it for truly broken ones :) |
| 10:35.26 | czr | they're all broken, aren't they? :-) |
| 10:35.43 | timelyx | all the items in that directory atm? yes |
| 10:35.46 | timelyx | eventually README won't be |
| 10:35.51 | timelyx | it'll be a real file |
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| 11:36.03 | pupnik | "Those men will break your bones." - Tricky |
| 11:36.45 | czr | <3 tricky |
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| 11:37.41 | alterego | czr: Are you about? |
| 11:37.51 | czr | +what? |
| 11:37.56 | czr | yes. kind of. yes. |
| 11:38.31 | alterego | I've got some bugs for you. Would you like patches? |
| 11:38.44 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.00 | timelyx | what's the point of a branches directory that contains a tags directory? |
| 11:39.07 | timelyx | other than wasting gb's of space? |
| 11:40.59 | Juhaz | svn doesn't waste space with branches or tags. |
| 11:44.40 | timelyx | Juhaz: depends on how you think about it |
| 11:44.52 | timelyx | if you check out haf/ you lose gb's of space |
| 11:45.05 | timelyx | if you mean the database doesn't waste space, that's nice |
| 11:45.07 | timelyx | but totally useless |
| 11:45.15 | timelyx | most people don't run svn databases |
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| 11:45.27 | lardman | morning |
| 11:45.28 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 11:45.32 | timelyx | czr: i got tired of waiting for svn, so i'm racing checkouts |
| 11:45.38 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/ |
| 11:45.39 | Juhaz | most people don't check out entire databases either, but I suppose some do :) |
| 11:46.00 | Juhaz | and yeah, you would be right on that |
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| 11:46.51 | czr | timelyx, heh |
| 11:47.19 | czr | timelyx, much nicer |
| 11:47.25 | czr | esp with the 'missing' thing now |
| 11:47.42 | czr | "** Warning: Cannot open xref database." is to be expected, right? |
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| 11:50.50 | lardman | Does the kernel handle device files that are closed due to a SIGINT in the process that has the handle differently from the same process simply close()ing the device? |
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| 11:57.45 | czr | if you mean the driver, then no |
| 11:57.57 | czr | but you need to be careful about closing versus dropping references in the driver |
| 11:58.02 | czr | since those two things are separate |
| 11:59.08 | lardman | czr: just wondering about the user-side code, whether to trap the SIGINT signal and explictly close my device or assume the dspgateway will issue a kill even to the dsp task |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | s/even/event |
| 11:59.32 | czr | ah. the kernel driver should handle all those cases |
| 11:59.36 | czr | imho. |
| 11:59.41 | lardman | :) cool |
| 11:59.54 | czr | not sure how dspgateway does the dma stuff though, at least if it's visible to userspace which I doubt it is (directly at least) |
| 11:59.55 | lardman | Will stop my resets due to run away threads on the dsp |
| 12:00.24 | lardman | dma is done by mapping a file with mmap |
| 12:00.44 | lardman | sharing at least, but probably not dma but rather through the mmu |
| 12:01.25 | czr | note, _should_. the kernel driver might have other ideas if it's not well enough implemented. |
| 12:01.25 | czr | but that'd be going against unix semantics = bad. |
| 12:01.28 | lardman | I see what you mean, no, I don't think dsp dma is visible on the user side |
| 12:01.57 | lardman | czr: I'll test and see, thanks |
| 12:02.13 | czr | well, the driver should do all the necessary unmapping. userspace _should_ not care. |
| 12:02.26 | czr | np & good luck |
| 12:03.15 | lardman | Shouldn't need luck, just tracking down why select() doesn't do anything and having to kill the user side process, which obviously doesn't get round to issuing a command to the dsp task to kill its processing thread |
| 12:03.38 | czr | ah |
| 12:03.42 | lardman | tweak to the dsp task should solve that, then I'll have to reboot less often (hopefully) |
| 12:03.48 | czr | so the dsp task keeps running on the kernel/dsp side, right? |
| 12:04.09 | czr | hmm. doesn't dspgateway has anything for tracking run-away tasks on the dsp side? |
| 12:04.17 | lardman | well the task itself is probably stopped when the device file is closed, but it's started a thread which doesn't seem to be stopped |
| 12:04.32 | czr | hmmh. well. out of my expertise :-) |
| 12:04.32 | lardman | there's not much by way of monitoring tools unfortunately |
| 12:04.47 | czr | I tried to look at dspgateway way back, but decided it wasn't worth me spending too much time on. |
| 12:05.07 | lardman | it's interesting, but frustrating, hard to debug |
| 12:05.33 | lardman | powervr is more interesting atm, but I should finish some dsp bits off |
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| 13:15.02 | dneary | hi |
| 13:15.03 | _Monkey | bonjour, dneary |
| 13:15.32 | nomis | dneary: hi dave! |
| 13:15.46 | dneary | Hi Simon |
| 13:15.49 | dneary | Long time no see |
| 13:16.01 | nomis | indeed. |
| 13:16.02 | dneary | Has the GIMP sorted out that governance problem yet? :) |
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| 13:16.24 | nomis | dneary: kinda. |
| 13:16.29 | nomis | dneary: not really probably. |
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| 13:22.32 | zpol | hola |
| 13:22.33 | _Monkey | hey, zpol |
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| 13:28.59 | acydlord | http://urltea.com/28an <- interesting article, slightly off topic |
| 13:29.10 | acydlord | about verizon opening up their network |
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| 13:31.36 | OgMaciel | hello guys and gals... I am having problems installing new apps on my N800 (OS2008)... it always complains about missing deps, most notaby libreadline |
| 13:31.45 | OgMaciel | any have some feedback? |
| 13:34.36 | acydlord | do you have all the repos that you need? |
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| 13:37.33 | OgMaciel | acydlord: I clicked on a package via the maemo/garage site and it automatically added the repo for me... but I don't know if I am missing one |
| 13:37.44 | OgMaciel | acydlord: is there a default list of repos? |
| 13:37.51 | acydlord | one second, i'll get you a link |
| 13:37.56 | OgMaciel | thanks |
| 13:39.17 | acydlord | http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ <- there you go |
| 13:39.59 | acydlord | if you visit that link on your n800 it can add the repos for you automatically |
| 13:40.18 | OgMaciel | acydlord: I really appreciated your help! :) |
| 13:40.29 | acydlord | no problem :) |
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| 14:18.41 | lopz | re |
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| 14:38.55 | linuxkrn | morning all |
| 14:39.35 | linuxkrn | is there a good "support" forums for the 810? |
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| 14:45.09 | Tak | there's internettablettalk.com ... |
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| 14:56.35 | bilboed | anyone knows if there's a nstx package for os2007/2008 somewhere ? |
| 14:56.40 | bilboed | nstx is the ip-over-dns stuff |
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| 15:07.23 | TheFool2 | alright I got some stupid questions, anyone around? |
| 15:08.45 | TheFool2 | trying to flash my n770 as per the instructions and I am having no luck. Just trying to figure out what I am doing wrong |
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| 15:13.22 | sikahakki | how you trie |
| 15:13.22 | Tak | TheFool2: what problem are you having? |
| 15:14.34 | sikahakki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.42 | linuxkrn | where can I find libbz2 for os2008? |
| 15:19.07 | linuxkrn | it's not in the list of apps on either maemo.org or program manager |
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| 15:22.38 | sciboy | Is there any examples of pygame apps under maemo? |
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| 15:25.00 | pupnik | sciboy: i think someone built it |
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| 15:25.16 | Tak | sciboy: kagu |
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| 15:27.42 | pupnik | yaay i now have 500 legal c64 games and 200 legal amiga games to test emus |
| 15:29.01 | gla55_ | heh |
| 15:29.32 | gla55_ | you wouldn't know whats the fastest nes emu around? |
| 15:29.34 | sciboy | In particular I'm looking to find out how to do pixel doubling from python. |
| 15:29.38 | pupnik | yes i do |
| 15:29.40 | pupnik | for arm? |
| 15:30.01 | gla55_ | arm, not thinking of for maemo though |
| 15:30.03 | sciboy | I am not seeing that in Kagu... |
| 15:30.27 | pupnik | it's littlejohn |
| 15:30.40 | pupnik | gives playable speed on a 66mhz cpu |
| 15:31.11 | gla55_ | pupnik: i got an old infones port for symbian i did years ago, planning on making a 3rd ed port, but might change(try another) the emu core just as well |
| 15:31.30 | gla55_ | playable on 66mhz? wow |
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| 15:31.54 | pupnik | oh infones runs on nokia :) |
| 15:32.12 | pupnik | i buildeidid it a while back - pretty spluttery tho |
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| 15:32.37 | pupnik | [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/NES/infones/tmp/InfoNES097JRC1_SDL/bin] > ls -l |
| 15:32.37 | pupnik | total 256 |
| 15:32.37 | pupnik | -rwxr-xr-x 1 minra minra 251539 Feb 25 2006 InfoNES |
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| 15:33.04 | gla55_ | pupnik: back then i did go through a lot of emus seeing if their code would build for symbian |
| 15:33.06 | pupnik | nice clean code tho |
| 15:33.09 | pupnik | heh |
| 15:33.12 | pupnik | cool! |
| 15:33.13 | gla55_ | and if it would work |
| 15:33.17 | pupnik | :) |
| 15:33.28 | gla55_ | infones was one of the few that worked :p |
| 15:33.34 | pupnik | yeah nice and portable |
| 15:33.43 | pupnik | and really clean lookin |
| 15:33.47 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 15:33.59 | Tak | I don't know if any pygame apps are using pixel doubling |
| 15:34.24 | pupnik | but fceu is as fast or faster than infones (my build) |
| 15:34.38 | pupnik | so i'd say a gp2x SNES would be soo much worthwhiler |
| 15:35.11 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz |
| 15:35.47 | gla55_ | probably, but i don't have that much time so i'd rather go with something i know should port without major problems |
| 15:36.12 | gla55_ | i could never get smsplus to run on symbian for example :\ |
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| 15:37.12 | pupnik | ok :) |
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| 15:38.05 | sciboy | Well since no one seems interested in trying to get blender working, I would like to be able to do some sprite based games in pygame. |
| 15:38.31 | Tak | there's also rubygame ;-) |
| 15:38.56 | sciboy | I already use Blenders game engine, so I'm sticking with Python. |
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| 15:40.20 | corevette | i'm trying to flash my nokia 770 |
| 15:40.28 | corevette | root@corevette-desktop:/home/corevette/Desktop# ./flasher-2.0 |
| 15:40.30 | corevette | bash: ./flasher-2.0: Permission denied |
| 15:40.34 | corevette | why doesn't it work |
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| 15:40.56 | Dasajev | chmod +x flasher-2.0 and try again |
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| 15:45.49 | corevette | # 770: Now plug in the charger to switch on the 770 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button |
| 15:45.50 | corevette | # PC: Watch the messages as the image loads to the 770 after which it reboots automatically -- you're done now! |
| 15:45.57 | corevette | thats not working for me |
| 15:46.10 | corevette | the nokia logo is just sitting there |
| 15:47.38 | niteOwl2 | corevette: did you give it all the command line args it wants? |
| 15:47.46 | niteOwl2 | ex: name of image to flahs |
| 15:47.48 | niteOwl2 | flash |
| 15:48.03 | corevette | ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 15:48.08 | corevette | should i use flasher 3.0? |
| 15:48.16 | mgedmin | corevette: is there a small usb icon in the corner above the nokia logo? |
| 15:48.19 | corevette | yes |
| 15:48.26 | mgedmin | then you just need to run the flasher |
| 15:48.33 | mgedmin | what does the flasher say? |
| 15:48.38 | mgedmin | you may need to run it as root |
| 15:48.45 | corevette | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 15:48.46 | corevette | i am |
| 15:48.48 | linuxkrn | where can I find libbz2 for os2008? |
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| 15:52.19 | Tak | you need to use flasher-3.0 with 2007HE, I believe. |
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| 16:01.29 | zoran | is maemo.org down? |
| 16:06.36 | linuxkrn | zoran: I can't access it either, but it's usually slow as crap for me |
| 16:06.59 | zoran | pretty fast usualy for me; now has gone |
| 16:08.46 | zoran | ah, comes to life! |
| 16:10.49 | guardian | is it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ??? |
| 16:12.02 | pupnik | yess.... |
| 16:12.04 | pupnik | precious |
| 16:12.08 | Tak | Yes. |
| 16:12.16 | sciboy | xkbd? |
| 16:12.17 | _Monkey | xkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up my own layout http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
| 16:12.20 | Tak | pupnik: give uss the fisshesss! |
| 16:12.51 | sp3000 | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 looks emptier than usual |
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| 16:27.11 | Tak | yay spontaneous reboot! |
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| 16:28.52 | Tak | at least it comes back up now |
| 16:29.02 | sciboy | Where do you get becomeroot for OS2008? |
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| 16:30.39 | sciboy | becomeroot? |
| 16:30.39 | _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 16:31.07 | johnnynokia | ahh i have link on my 810 but not pc |
| 16:31.20 | johnnynokia | i couldn't find it at first for 2008 either |
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| 16:31.29 | truent | anyone know where to get ruby-dbus for n800? |
| 16:31.50 | mbuf | Maemo 4.0 is for N810, or can it be used for N800? |
| 16:32.17 | pupnik | yes |
| 16:32.23 | flip^ | there's a developer release for n800 i think... official release should be in a few weeks |
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| 16:33.26 | mbuf | ok |
| 16:33.51 | johnnynokia | sciboy, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=136#136 |
| 16:34.38 | Tak | hmm - if I make a >64M swapfile, will 2007HE use it? |
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| 16:37.17 | pupnik | i think so |
| 16:38.21 | sciboy | Cheers |
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| 16:38.42 | sciboy | Now I need rsync, trying to get plython working. |
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| 16:39.16 | sciboy | pluthon* |
| 16:40.03 | Tak | that sounds like the name for an evil hybrid of perl, ruby, and python |
| 16:40.23 | sciboy | It's a eclipse plugin for pymaemo. |
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| 16:40.31 | sciboy | So, more a evil hybrid of python and java. |
| 16:40.58 | Tak | terrible naming |
| 16:41.19 | Tak | I'm surprised they didn't go with pyclipse |
| 16:46.15 | pupnik | I want underwear that says 'Caution: Pressurized Area' |
| 16:47.32 | pupnik | http://www.starflt.com/ starflight seems to run OK on dosbox |
| 16:48.07 | halley | pupnik, instead of your 'Danger: Gas Storage Area' pair? |
| 16:49.10 | pupnik | heh... "Standard Airlock Procedures Apply" http://www.starflt.com/graphics/iirlock.jpg |
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| 16:55.00 | sciboy | How the hell can an application like eclipse be using up so much resources. |
| 16:58.42 | halley | Through the magic of Java. |
| 16:58.48 | mgedmin | plus overengineering |
| 16:58.53 | halley | I said that. |
| 16:59.20 | Tak | IME it's the code completion db that eats the universe |
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| 16:59.38 | halley | I would expect it's the JIT, actually. |
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| 17:05.20 | pupnik | Scott Horton Show on now: Call-in number 512 646-6446. stream http://listen64.kaos959.com 92.7 or 95.9 in Austin Texas |
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| 17:08.59 | jeff1f | who is scott horton? |
| 17:10.41 | sciboy | There's no way in heck it'ss usppose to be abssolutely creaming a quad-core withh 4giig of ram. |
| 17:11.42 | pupnik | jeff1f: he's a dude in texas \o/ \o |
| 17:12.10 | shackan | sciboy: you for such a machine, and can't afford a decent keyboard? :D |
| 17:12.20 | shackan | s/for/have/ |
| 17:13.20 | guardian | is it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ??? |
| 17:13.38 | guardian | i renamed the targets in the scripts but now i can't launch my bora targets anymore :( |
| 17:14.00 | guardian | for instance the menu are broken: like displaying tana_fi_settings |
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| 17:15.44 | geoffeg | So I'm a bit confused.. The OS2008 map application.. it seems to be based on navicore, is that correct? |
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| 17:19.02 | pupnik | haha awesome Primus song |
| 17:19.14 | scin800 | I can't type onmy computer right now. |
| 17:19.45 | scin800 | It's being completely slaughtered. |
| 17:20.03 | scin800 | Time for a hard reset? |
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| 17:21.57 | scin800 | FYI. A cheap quad core is easy to justify when you spend most of your time animating. |
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| 17:29.28 | sciboy | Okay, turned out to be some memory allocation issue causing a leak. |
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| 17:32.48 | guardian | nobody knows about my multiple sdk inside the same scratchbox question ? :( |
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| 17:36.17 | mgedmin | guardian: yes, it is |
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| 17:36.28 | guardian | yes it is possible ? |
| 17:36.29 | mgedmin | inz had a howto about this on his blog |
| 17:36.35 | guardian | ok |
| 17:36.38 | guardian | gonna try to find it out |
| 17:36.43 | guardian | cause i had bora targets working |
| 17:36.46 | mgedmin | I've bookmarked it somewhere on my del.icio.us/mgedmin/maemo |
| 17:36.54 | guardian | then i upgraded my scratchbox, it was still working |
| 17:37.06 | guardian | then i installed chinook (editing the install script to give targets proper names) |
| 17:37.06 | mgedmin | here: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ |
| 17:37.15 | guardian | and now my bora targets are fucked up :( |
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| 17:39.56 | guardian | af-sb-init.sh start works but menu entries are fucked upt |
| 17:45.18 | guardian | mgedmin: thx for the link anyway :) |
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| 17:49.47 | timelyx | czr: the xref bit can be fixed when i'm sure enough of "maemo" is available to rebuild the index |
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| 17:54.51 | timelyx | czr: ok. other than README |
| 17:54.55 | timelyx | which is um, a pain |
| 17:55.23 | timelyx | since it's stuck behind haf/maemo-branches/ which isn't done |
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| 18:09.46 | pumpkin- | boo |
| 18:09.51 | pumpkin- | my sshd isn't working on my n800 anymore :( |
| 18:10.04 | pumpkin- | and when I run netstat, I'm getting a whole bunch of bogus unix lines, it says |
| 18:10.22 | pumpkin- | not sure if the two are related |
| 18:10.26 | mgedmin | no |
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| 18:10.36 | mgedmin | what if you run netstat -tl? |
| 18:11.04 | pumpkin- | claims to be listening on ssh port |
| 18:11.28 | pumpkin- | but I'm getting a variety of errorsr when trying to connect to it |
| 18:11.37 | pumpkin- | sometimes it says connection refused, others it times out |
| 18:13.31 | pumpkin- | any ideas? |
| 18:14.17 | pumpkin- | I'll try removing and reinstalling the ssh package |
| 18:14.35 | mgedmin | wifi power savings? flaky ap? |
| 18:14.47 | pumpkin- | nah, everything else works just fine :-/ |
| 18:14.49 | mgedmin | can you ssh to localhost? |
| 18:15.22 | pumpkin- | hmm yup |
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| 18:17.16 | pumpkin- | does it normally respond to ping? |
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| 18:17.47 | qnr | just out of curiousity, can you access the machine remotely, via an internet connection, instead of via your local network? |
| 18:18.47 | qnr | s/curiousity/curiosity/ ... <--- kinda drunk today |
| 18:18.48 | pumpkin- | whoa, yup |
| 18:19.00 | pumpkin- | I sshed into my slice and it works fine there |
| 18:19.09 | qnr | I |
| 18:19.19 | pumpkin- | what do you think is up? |
| 18:19.32 | pumpkin- | is it blocking my ip? :P |
| 18:19.38 | qnr | I'm having the same problem, haven't tried to figure it out yet, too much other stuff I'm working on at the moment :/ |
| 18:19.52 | pumpkin- | weird, it even works from other machines in the local network |
| 18:20.00 | qnr | though mine is with dropbear, not ssh |
| 18:20.00 | pumpkin- | I guess I'll just grab myself another ip address |
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| 18:21.07 | qnr | actually, I'm not trying to figure out anything today heheh... I have a serious "I'm half a century old today" drunk going on |
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| 18:23.02 | pumpkin-_ | there we go |
| 18:23.04 | pumpkin-_ | ***K you mr n800 |
| 18:23.06 | pumpkin-_ | I fooled you, didn't I |
| 18:23.14 | pumpkin-_ | btw, congrats qnr :) |
| 18:23.54 | qnr | thanks pumpkin-_ :) |
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| 18:34.53 | timelyx | blassey: maemo index is stuck waiting for mameo-branches to svn cleanup a couple of times |
| 18:36.22 | timelyx | actually, it's also waiting for haf/packaging which seems to be off in the weeds |
| 18:36.35 | timelyx | (packaging/tags) |
| 18:36.51 | timelyx | hrm, no, that's not blocking |
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| 19:23.21 | timelyx | doh |
| 19:24.03 | Tak | hooray! |
| 19:24.15 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo-all/source/projects/haf/tags/ |
| 19:24.19 | timelyx | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/ |
| 19:24.27 | timelyx | when those two match, i'll be finally able to get... |
| 19:24.50 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/README |
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| 20:15.59 | procto | anyone ported mplayer to os2800 yet? |
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| 20:17.39 | pupnik | in 792 years maybe |
| 20:18.07 | procto | why? it was ported from os2006 to os2007 pretty quickly |
| 20:18.10 | procto | was it not? |
| 20:18.34 | pupnik | sorry - don't know - bad joke |
| 20:19.16 | procto | ok... |
| 20:19.17 | procto | :> |
| 20:20.02 | halley | Is there a way to tell busybox not to greet ssh logins with a message? Just straight to prompt? It's not /etc/motd but it's like that. |
| 20:20.12 | Tak | not /that/ bad |
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| 20:22.48 | pupnik | dun dun dun duunt, dunt dunt, dunt dunt (can't touch dis) |
| 20:24.36 | solmumaha | pupnik: stop! |
| 20:25.51 | pupnik | hehehe |
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| 20:26.31 | solmumaha | no hammertime? |
| 20:27.36 | Tak | HAMMERTIME HAS BEEN CANCELED. Go about your business. |
| 20:28.05 | solmumaha | k |
| 20:28.21 | solmumaha | i guess there's no way i can run 4.0 sdk under amd64? |
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| 20:29.33 | pupnik | Hammerzeit! |
| 20:29.37 | pupnik | ¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| 20:30.55 | halley | Hm, what repo for chinook rsync? |
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| 20:39.04 | czr | halley, chinook is not provided via rsync |
| 20:41.06 | halley | czr, rearrange your sentence; rsync is not provided for chinook |
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| 20:41.20 | halley | I found it in the "Testing Maemo Extras" |
| 20:41.33 | czr | halley, where? |
| 20:41.52 | mmiller | Is there a way to stop a N800 from joining a network in it's list of known networks? |
| 20:42.44 | halley | Sure, have a nicer network found first. :) Or go to offline mode. |
| 20:42.53 | czr | halley, link? |
| 20:44.16 | halley | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ |
| 20:44.37 | halley | Click OS2008, then find "Testing Maemo Extras" near bottom. |
| 20:44.52 | halley | rsync works well. |
| 20:45.41 | czr | halley, hmm. what do you use for rsync command line? |
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| 20:46.17 | halley | I just used (rsync -ave ssh shost:path dhost:path) |
| 20:46.46 | czr | doesn't that required you to have an account on shost? |
| 20:46.49 | czr | require even |
| 20:47.04 | halley | Yes, that's the point. |
| 20:47.25 | halley | You can omit shost: or dhost: if it's localhost. |
| 20:47.46 | czr | I thought you meant you're using rsync _with_ repositories.maemo.org |
| 20:47.53 | czr | not just rsync |
| 20:48.03 | halley | No. |
| 20:48.04 | czr | repository.maemo.org even |
| 20:48.25 | halley | <halley> Hm, what repo for chinook rsync? |
| 20:48.46 | czr | ah. I get it now :-) |
| 20:48.56 | czr | you were looking for the rsync program for 4.0 :-) |
| 20:49.21 | czr | some people use rsync to mirror deb repositories. I thought you wanted to do that. |
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| 20:49.59 | czr | which explains my initial reply: "<czr> halley, chinook is not provided via rsync" |
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| 20:50.51 | bballantine | hello |
| 20:50.52 | _Monkey | que tal, bballantine |
| 20:51.00 | bballantine | I have question about my 770 |
| 20:51.13 | bballantine | I just flashed it w/ the Hacker edition of the 2007 OS |
| 20:51.22 | bballantine | and now my LCD is streaky and unusable |
| 20:51.33 | bballantine | any ideas? |
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| 20:52.57 | bballantine | My thought is it's just a coincidental hardware failure, but I was wondering if anyone had seen this before. |
| 20:53.00 | angelr | Hi brballantine, a friend of mine has the same prob on his 770. |
| 20:53.30 | bballantine | angelr, does your friend know what happened? |
| 20:54.10 | angelr | No idea... Im interested in seeing if anyone here has a solution |
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| 20:54.30 | mikanoza | bballantine, I have the same problem... |
| 20:54.57 | Tak | did it happen to all of you with a 2007HE flash? |
| 20:55.14 | angelr | Yep |
| 20:55.27 | angelr | I reflashed and it didnt help either |
| 20:55.56 | pupnik | try pulling battery for a while |
| 20:56.12 | pupnik | it's a hardware-related issue |
| 20:56.37 | bballantine | hmm, ok, I'll try that. |
| 20:56.56 | angelr | At this point ill give it a try... Whats the science for this? To drain any caps and reset some settings? |
| 20:57.04 | bballantine | how long would you suggest keeping the battery out? a few hours or an entire day? |
| 20:57.06 | pupnik | i saw it 2-3 times (coincidentally when using 2007he) and haven't seen it since |
| 20:57.20 | pupnik | i pulled battery out 2 minutes and then rebooted |
| 20:57.23 | pupnik | and it was gone |
| 20:57.37 | bballantine | thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 20:57.46 | pupnik | most people report no recovery though |
| 20:57.46 | mikanoza | Angel, is your last name Roman? |
| 20:58.22 | angelr | Yep, whats ur last name? |
| 20:58.31 | mikanoza | I am Mike Anoza |
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| 20:59.06 | angelr | Sorry mike, i dont know you |
| 20:59.31 | bballantine | I've had it for a while so it's probably too late to send it back if I can't recover it... |
| 20:59.41 | angelr | Pupnik thank you for the help, ill give it a go. |
| 21:00.40 | bballantine | Yeah, thanks guys. |
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| 21:08.45 | vandenoever | hi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]0 |
| 21:08.46 | vandenoever | i'd love to port my search app to it |
| 21:10.11 | vandenoever | will there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810? |
| 21:10.11 | vandenoever | the keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high |
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| 21:10.38 | lardman | vandenoever: the developer discounts have already been allocated |
| 21:10.39 | bballantine | anger & pupnik, I just put the battery back in (after having it out for about 5mins) and the problem persists. Imma take it out and leave it out for a while, but I'm not optimistic. Thanks anyway. |
| 21:10.44 | vandenoever | hi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]0 |
| 21:10.46 | vandenoever | i'd love to port my search app to it |
| 21:10.48 | vandenoever | will there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810? |
| 21:10.50 | vandenoever | the keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high |
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| 21:11.00 | lardman | vandenoever: are you a bot? |
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| 21:13.56 | angelr | Vandenoever the keyboard is great. I can now use shortcuts in my applications and the terminal. It makes sshing into machines bareable. As a matter of fact im on this chatroom on the N810. I love it. |
| 21:14.58 | angelr | Oopps bearable .. Maybe the keyboard isnt the best ;) |
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| 21:16.21 | pupnik | Thu Nov 29 21:14:29 UTC 2007 |
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| 21:18.00 | lardman | pupnik: thanks, I was wondering where I'd put my watch...:) |
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| 21:31.09 | halley | I found a RadioShack that was dumping $100 Motorola BT stereo hubs for $20 each. |
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| 21:57.51 | jeff1f | halley:in store or online? |
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| 21:59.25 | halley | It was in a store in the mall, I think the manager hated product that nobody understood. |
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| 22:01.17 | jeff1f | if it company wide, I might stop in! |
| 22:01.27 | halley | Worth a check. :) |
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| 22:31.23 | jeff1f | So does the remote on the n810 headset control track foward/reverse? |
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| 22:36.04 | Palintheus | anyone have any suggestions on phones to get, at&t service, that I would sometimes tether for internet to a N8x0? |
| 22:36.15 | Palintheus | non-pda type |
| 22:36.29 | pupnik | good question |
| 22:36.47 | pupnik | maybe ITT search would help |
| 22:36.51 | pupnik | tethering? |
| 22:36.54 | pupnik | tether? |
| 22:37.31 | Palintheus | searched a bit, mostly found bb, or other higher priced suggestions |
| 22:37.58 | Palintheus | tether, use for a modem when no wifi avail |
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| 22:43.02 | Palintheus | and can't find any info on newer phones on itt (nokia 6555, samsung a737 |
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| 22:51.03 | doublec | Palintheus: I use a Nokia N73. It works fine with the N800. |
| 22:51.33 | zerojay | Palintheus: I have both of those phones at work, I believe. |
| 22:51.42 | zerojay | Palintheus: I can check it for you tomorrow. |
| 22:52.46 | Palintheus | that would be great...trying to catch the sales att is having on their phones, and trying to plan for when I get my N8x0(still haven't decided between the 800 or 810) |
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| 22:53.36 | zerojay | Well, I can't promise that the providers here would have the exact same options. |
| 22:53.45 | zerojay | But I'll let you know if I still have them. |
| 22:54.04 | zerojay | I know we had the prereleases a few months ago. |
| 22:55.08 | Palintheus | well if the phone will connect Im sure I can use at&t's date service, just want to make sure the phone will work without much work, unless its the provider I should be worried about |
| 22:57.10 | zerojay | Well, some providers disable certain features. |
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| 22:58.00 | Palintheus | Ive not seen any issues or complaints on the forums with AT&T/Cingular |
| 22:58.36 | pupnik | duno |
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| 23:00.46 | Palintheus | ::shrug:: will probably just end up getting the cheapest one that has bluetooth, 3g, and a decent review on phonescoop |
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| 23:07.12 | inz | ohmygod, someone broke youtube |
| 23:09.49 | jeff1f | Palintheus, if you get it all sorted out, be sure to make a post on itt about it |
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| 23:10.31 | Palintheus | will do |
| 23:12.13 | pupnik | here, product porn that can compete with N810 http://vmpseurope.com/news.htm - best speaker bargains under $10,000 |
| 23:14.12 | oever | pupnik: no fibonacci based speakers? |
| 23:14.54 | pupnik | you referring to B^W nautilus? |
| 23:15.53 | pupnik | they are addressing a problem that these VMPSes do not have |
| 23:19.56 | oever | pupnik: yeah, i like the looks of those speakers (and the sound) |
| 23:20.41 | pupnik | well cheap speakers have gotten a lot better since .. 1993 when i was heavily into this stuff :) |
| 23:21.10 | pupnik | but if i can get a chance, i will set up a VMPS listening room - and charge 50 euro an hour or something |
| 23:22.41 | oever | pupnik: what's vmps? |
| 23:23.11 | oever | ah, found it |
| 23:23.13 | pupnik | a speaker designer who made his mark in the 80s |
| 23:23.16 | oever | ribbons speakers |
| 23:23.19 | pupnik | with phase-aligned drivers |
| 23:23.25 | oever | electrostatic stuff i guess |
| 23:23.35 | pupnik | then he found a ribbon that was better than the competition in 2002 |
| 23:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my Axioms suite me well enough for now. |
| 23:23.59 | pupnik | got a link GeneralAntilles ? |
| 23:24.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://axiomaudio.com/ |
| 23:24.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg |
| 23:24.39 | GeneralAntilles | You can see the bottom of one of them there. ;) |
| 23:25.17 | pupnik | i wish i were a speaker dealer sometimes |
| 23:25.41 | pupnik | hehe |
| 23:25.49 | oever | i think nautilus is expensive, no? |
| 23:26.02 | pupnik | yes |
| 23:26.23 | oever | pupnik: 10k? |
| 23:26.24 | pupnik | i am such an IDIOT for spending thousands on computers and not on good speakers |
| 23:26.43 | pupnik | VMPS range from 1600-23000 USD |
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| 23:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but speakers like that will last you about forever. |
| 23:28.27 | pupnik | those axioms have some good drivers |
| 23:28.59 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't heard anything better for the price. |
| 23:29.03 | pupnik | friend of mine loved spicas, another loved bnw bookshelves |
| 23:29.04 | pupnik | nice |
| 23:29.39 | pupnik | i never had really good speakers - just some event 20/20 monitors (which had impressive performance) |
| 23:30.00 | oever | i've some nice jambo ones atm |
| 23:30.21 | oever | they're already about 15 years old |
| 23:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | I need a better receiver at this point. |
| 23:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | Got a 500-series Onkyo. It's not bad, but a little on the weak side. |
| 23:32.22 | pupnik | got myself two pair adcom gfa 565 monoblocks :) |
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| 23:32.34 | pupnik | you can arc-weld with those amps :) |
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| 23:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'll be getting a Mac Pro before I do any audio upgrades, though. |
| 23:37.05 | pupnik | right now i just have little 3 inch computer monitors - really SICK of no hi-end audio scene over here |
| 23:37.12 | pupnik | in this little puddle of a town |
| 23:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | Time to take out a small-business loan. :P |
| 23:38.39 | zerojay | Jablet's got over 250 accounts now. |
| 23:38.50 | zerojay | I'm half considering doing that. ;P |
| 23:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | Speaking of which. |
| 23:41.12 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 23:41.18 | zerojay | Monopoly money. :) |
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| 23:45.22 | pupnik | yeah these euros are harder to print |
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| 23:48.56 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Oh, man.. thank you very much. |
| 23:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. |
| 23:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | We'll call it my service fee for 12 months. :P |
| 23:49.26 | zerojay | Haha.. sounds good. :) |
| 23:49.37 | zerojay | I can't get at it though, unfortunately. |
| 23:49.52 | zerojay | I think Tex has to connect it to a bank account before anything can be touched. |
| 23:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:50.07 | zerojay | I don't know, I pretty much leave that end of things to him. |
| 23:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | You can look, but not touch! |
| 23:50.15 | zerojay | Such a tease. lol |
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| 23:50.58 | zerojay | No, I'm not. |
| 23:51.02 | zerojay | Or your bot either. |
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