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| 00:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | How did Nokia manage to DOWNGRADE the functionality of xterm from OS2007? :\ |
| 00:08.47 | alterego | They didn't. |
| 00:08.51 | alterego | It's just a bit different. |
| 00:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | Did too! |
| 00:08.56 | alterego | It's actually better in some ways. |
| 00:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hitting control-c is, like, 5 steps |
| 00:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | versus 2 in the version I had before. |
| 00:09.17 | alterego | Define a CTRL-C button then :P |
| 00:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 00:09.33 | derf | Put a Ctrl key on your keyboard. |
| 00:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | On the Vkb? |
| 00:09.51 | alterego | Yeah there are a few things that are very N810 oriented .. |
| 00:09.51 | derf | Yes. |
| 00:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | The default one? |
| 00:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | How? |
| 00:10.05 | derf | I have no idea. |
| 00:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | :\ |
| 00:10.16 | derf | I don't run the default one. |
| 00:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder if this beta fixes the issues with text doubling that I was having in xterm. |
| 00:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nope. . . . |
| 00:10.52 | jumpula | czr: pong |
| 00:11.05 | czr | jumpula, hello :-) |
| 00:11.09 | czr | you have strange hours :-) |
| 00:11.18 | jumpula | and you? :) |
| 00:11.25 | czr | jumpula, sbox_adduser doesn't seem to be documented anywhere where the 4.0 sdk install doc points to |
| 00:11.32 | czr | I'm always like this :-) |
| 00:11.47 | jumpula | hmm |
| 00:11.56 | czr | the install doc refers to sb1 docs, and sb-adduser is used there. sb-adduser is broken with apophis |
| 00:12.06 | jumpula | which version? |
| 00:12.08 | czr | at least when I did dpkg -i scratch*.deb style install of apophis |
| 00:12.11 | jumpula | ah, the latest, yeah |
| 00:12.17 | czr | known issue? |
| 00:12.24 | jumpula | yeah, that's my fault. |
| 00:12.27 | czr | complains about not running /usr/run_me_first.sh or similar |
| 00:12.32 | jumpula | fixed in the head, though |
| 00:12.43 | czr | ah ok. I found a round-about way of doing it though |
| 00:12.51 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.51 | jumpula | should do a new release, but want to have other stuff in it too. |
| 00:12.53 | czr | is that ok? |
| 00:12.56 | jumpula | yes |
| 00:13.01 | jumpula | that's the real one |
| 00:13.03 | czr | ok. good. |
| 00:13.10 | czr | that's what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure. |
| 00:13.10 | jumpula | there's readlink -f missing from the script |
| 00:13.21 | czr | and it seems to work anyway :-) |
| 00:13.27 | jumpula | the debian package contains symlinks and scripts get confused about that |
| 00:13.34 | czr | for a moment there I didn't even remember why I wanted your help :-) |
| 00:13.34 | jjo_ | come on, working all night? |
| 00:13.35 | jumpula | when you try the symlink |
| 00:13.45 | jumpula | jjo_: what about you? :) |
| 00:13.49 | czr | jjo_, you not? :-) |
| 00:13.56 | czr | what is WRONG with you? :-) |
| 00:13.58 | jjo_ | well, not working that's for sure |
| 00:14.11 | czr | working during the day is crap because of the emails flying here and there |
| 00:14.12 | bilboed | arrrgh, sloooow download :) |
| 00:14.21 | jumpula | hm. i thought maemo is distant relation to work? :) |
| 00:14.22 | czr | and bugzilla reports and such |
| 00:14.35 | czr | jumpula, no no, "working" not "work" ;-) |
| 00:14.35 | jumpula | yeah |
| 00:14.38 | czr | you confused the words :-) |
| 00:14.43 | jumpula | ah, true |
| 00:14.46 | czr | as in "works properly" |
| 00:15.03 | czr | jumpula, thanks for the ping though :-) |
| 00:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | Should xterm bugs go in Applications or System software? |
| 00:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | Those relating to the functionality of the app itself. |
| 00:15.30 | jumpula | yeah. time like 2h 25min |
| 00:15.48 | jumpula | i'd call that a lag |
| 00:16.05 | czr | that's nothing :-) |
| 00:16.37 | jumpula | "wait until you see my lag!" |
| 00:16.54 | czr | neh. I'd call the delay between me reporting #95 and it getting fixed, a lag. |
| 00:17.01 | czr | (it's not fixed yet :-) |
| 00:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | System software (shoulda looked at the components :\) |
| 00:18.11 | alterego | #95? Wasn't that the bug you reported whilst flying close to a Black Hole? |
| 00:18.24 | czr | I always fly close to the black hole. |
| 00:18.38 | bilboed | grmbl, I always forget the flasher instructions :( |
| 00:18.44 | jumpula | funny things in the event horizon |
| 00:19.31 | alterego | bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f |
| 00:19.37 | bilboed | cheers |
| 00:19.46 | alterego | Then turn on your device holding down the home key. |
| 00:20.12 | bilboed | or use -FR :) |
| 00:20.48 | doc|work | man, my screen protector is scratched to shit, I wish boxwave would get their shit together :/ |
| 00:21.20 | kupesoft | no pand in os2008! WTF |
| 00:21.27 | kupesoft | how to do ip over bluetooth tunneling? |
| 00:26.17 | czr | except for '.. listing cur for brevity ..' |
| 00:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody with OS2008 on an N800 want to test something for me? |
| 00:28.31 | *** join/#maemo hexa (n=hexa@modemcable058.106-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 00:28.46 | alterego | I'm seriously considering writing some groovy scripts to aid in theme creation. Unfortunately it involves me analyising the process manually . |
| 00:29.06 | hexa | hi, any mirror for the flash images ? , i'm d/ling a 4k/sec :( |
| 00:29.14 | hexa | (os2007) |
| 00:29.16 | alterego | A process I like to call the "Identity Algorithm" (aka "Brute Force Strategy") |
| 00:29.51 | alterego | hexa, http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 00:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | 2007 |
| 00:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Why 2007? |
| 00:30.14 | alterego | Oh .. 2007 |
| 00:30.18 | alterego | He's probably unhappy with 2008 |
| 00:30.21 | czr | alterego, identity algorithm would be O(1), not O(very large *N*N*N*N) :-) |
| 00:30.31 | alterego | :) |
| 00:30.32 | hexa | I tought i'd wait for it to be a final release.. |
| 00:30.40 | hexa | just got my n800... |
| 00:30.44 | hexa | is 2008 usable? |
| 00:30.51 | bilboed | sweeeeeeeet :) |
| 00:30.55 | bilboed | fasster :) |
| 00:30.55 | alterego | It's perfectly usable :) |
| 00:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | Most certainly |
| 00:31.09 | hexa | :) I'll try that then |
| 00:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | Minus a stupid bug with the thumbboard and xterm. :\ |
| 00:31.19 | alterego | It's just not all the apps are currently available. |
| 00:31.26 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, double pasting? |
| 00:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | Anything entered in the thumbboard appears twice in the prompt |
| 00:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | so: top becomes toptop |
| 00:31.47 | alterego | I think "dual insertion" is a feature in osso-xterm (nokia edition) |
| 00:31.49 | hexa | hehe k |
| 00:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | Which has got to be the dumbest bug on the planet. |
| 00:32.14 | alterego | It is pretty dumb. |
| 00:32.18 | bilboed | wow |
| 00:32.19 | bilboed | WOW |
| 00:32.25 | bilboed | even the browser is faster |
| 00:32.37 | alterego | Yeah, it's all very nice. |
| 00:32.48 | alterego | I get annoyed about browser start up times though .. |
| 00:33.09 | alterego | Okay .. I just noticed a nice effect I'd not noticed before :) |
| 00:34.11 | bilboed | check out the video :) |
| 00:34.21 | alterego | The Video is a joke. |
| 00:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | Time to open an enhancement bug, alterego. :) |
| 00:34.31 | bilboed | quality-wise I meant :) |
| 00:34.32 | alterego | It's just a crappy rehash of the N800 vid. |
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| 00:35.12 | |tbb| | anyone able to use a bt headset with n800 os8? |
| 00:35.35 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, actually what it should _really_ do. Is switch back to whatever context you were at before you selected it. Kind of like the home hold feature but across all tasks. |
| 00:36.08 | *** join/#maemo Robdgreat (i=me@ip70-171-115-241.no.no.cox.net) |
| 00:36.27 | alterego | But you click on an item on a normal desktop and that happens. It just makes sense. And otherwise that entire icon in the task navigator is just wasting space doing nothing (except offering a kind of pointless tooltip) |
| 00:37.40 | bilboed | X terminal by default ? :) |
| 00:37.57 | alterego | bilboed, sweet isn't it ;) |
| 00:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad it SUCKS so much compared to the old one! :P |
| 00:38.17 | alterego | I like it. |
| 00:38.31 | bilboed | baaah, bed time |
| 00:38.36 | alterego | It does things the other didn't like you can tap and interact with programs like mutt and nano |
| 00:38.52 | GeneralAntilles | I liked being able to tap cntrl on the sidebar and then a key in the keyboard to send the cntrl-signal. <_< |
| 00:38.52 | alterego | I actually don't know that the other version didn't do that I never tried .. So I could be wrong ;) |
| 00:39.00 | alterego | I just accidentally found out on OS2008 ^_^ |
| 00:39.07 | bilboed | SIP by default :) |
| 00:39.14 | bilboed | I need to stop |
| 00:39.25 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, yeah. That was a good feature they've for some (stupid) reason removed. |
| 00:39.44 | alterego | I like the fact they've used windows instead of tabs .. |
| 00:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Opened a bug for thumbboard entry in xterm |
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| 00:42.58 | alterego | Someone else was complaining about that a while back. |
| 00:43.03 | alterego | Not sure if it's already reported. |
| 00:43.38 | alterego | (He was using N810 OS2008 on N800 so I think he was a bit paranoid |
| 00:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't see it in search. |
| 00:44.01 | doc|work | what's the alternative to that now? |
| 00:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'm blaming timeless for recommending that I report N810 on N800 bugs. :D |
| 00:46.11 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | What's the guidlines for Target Milestone? |
| 00:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | What're* |
| 00:49.36 | K`zan | What is the command to flash 2008 on the n800? |
| 00:50.21 | K`zan | On Linux |
| 00:51.39 | K`zan | Also, is Nokia going to sic hordes of lawyers on me if I put the update on my web site? |
| 00:51.56 | K`zan | ll |
| 00:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | [7:19pm] <alterego>bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f |
| 00:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | Probably, K`zan. :P |
| 00:52.25 | czr | K`zan, if they will, they won't tell you about it here. you'll know when the black ninjas will come. |
| 00:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | The torrent is working well enough |
| 00:52.31 | K`zan | Thankee Sir. |
| 00:52.35 | GeneralAntilles | and tablets-dev will clear up soon enough. |
| 00:52.45 | K`zan | Getting tired of supporting organizations with more lawyers than engineers :-(. |
| 00:52.55 | K`zan | tablets-dev ? |
| 00:52.57 | _Monkey | somebody said tablets-dev was an akamai site |
| 00:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | The server hosting the firmware image files. |
| 00:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Opened a bug for the Control-prompt in xterm closing the vkb |
| 00:57.06 | K`zan | Anyone loudly complaining about problems with 2008 on the n800 before I scrap my whole 2007 install? |
| 00:57.15 | K`zan | Wish I could back it up in toto just in case... |
| 00:57.22 | *** join/#maemo Mmm810 (n=user@adsl-66-51-222-241.dslextreme.com) |
| 00:57.25 | K`zan | Start upload then turn n800 off, turn on while holding home key as before? |
| 00:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off. |
| 00:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | Start the flasher |
| 00:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | plug it in |
| 00:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | (USB) |
| 00:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | turn it on while holding home key (press and hold the home key, press the powerkey) |
| 00:58.45 | *** join/#maemo soothsayer (n=user@bas16-montreal02-1279588385.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, still here? |
| 00:59.28 | Mmm810 | Hmm so i guess no password manager ported to os2008 yet or am I missing it |
| 00:59.56 | soothsayer | Does anyone have (or can make) a good hash (e.g. SHA, Whirpool) of RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 01:00.36 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Put it in a note file this time, thanks. |
| 01:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | You'll know it by heart soon enough. ;) |
| 01:01.04 | alterego | soothsayer, 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c |
| 01:01.17 | K`zan | md5 is : 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 01:01.39 | alterego | Well .. Ours match up :D |
| 01:01.48 | K`zan | :-) |
| 01:01.53 | K`zan | GOOD! LOL! |
| 01:01.59 | soothsayer | I want something better than MD5 |
| 01:02.09 | soothsayer | I have the MD5SUM file |
| 01:02.19 | K`zan | Best U got, sorry, |
| 01:02.20 | alterego | soothsayer, well that's all you're getting from ys. |
| 01:02.32 | alterego | Why don't you trust MD5? |
| 01:02.33 | K`zan | Sheez, next week I learn to type. |
| 01:02.39 | soothsayer | alterego: It's pretty weak |
| 01:02.47 | alterego | pfft. |
| 01:02.52 | soothsayer | alterego: Has been widely abandoned as secure. |
| 01:02.59 | alterego | By who? |
| 01:03.11 | K`zan | Then, if md5 from everyone isn't good enough, do your own and verify it :-). |
| 01:03.13 | alterego | Everywhere I look it's still MD5 .. I've not come across anything else .. |
| 01:03.24 | soothsayer | alterego: NIST for one |
| 01:03.29 | K`zan | sha is out there, but not on any machine I have... |
| 01:03.34 | alterego | What's NIST? |
| 01:03.44 | alterego | Oh, national instit sci tech |
| 01:03.47 | alterego | 8114ccc8404cf8e57e33edec311c85abddc6a5e255dad7581e5369b5e7345dc9eac5aafc36b049a7ade623909cfa17956c14177dc09e26b91ccda43cf65aa714 /home/tom/Desktop/RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 01:03.50 | K`zan | Impotant gov body :) |
| 01:03.51 | alterego | There's your sha512 |
| 01:04.04 | GeneralAntilles | Secure? |
| 01:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | You're not encrypting passwords |
| 01:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | you're checking file integrity. :\ |
| 01:04.22 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, yeah .. I don't know what his problem is. |
| 01:04.23 | soothsayer | GeneralAntilles: I'm downloading from an untrusted source. |
| 01:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | You don't understand what these checksums do, do you? |
| 01:04.44 | alterego | soothsayer, take your sha512sum and use that :P |
| 01:04.45 | K`zan | LOL |
| 01:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | This has NOTHING to do with security. . . . |
| 01:04.52 | soothsayer | MD5 is good for detecting non-malicious corruption |
| 01:04.58 | soothsayer | GeneralAntilles: Yes it does. |
| 01:05.24 | K`zan | Strangely, the md5 works :) |
| 01:05.26 | alterego | There are plenty of people here that will vouch for the image. |
| 01:05.36 | soothsayer | alterego: What image? |
| 01:05.36 | _Monkey | image is downloadable? |
| 01:05.37 | alterego | I've also just pasted the sha512sum |
| 01:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, like some super hacker is jumping into the bittorrent stream to upload his l33t hacked image that is going to brick your device. :\ |
| 01:05.54 | alterego | soothsayer, presumable the one you downloaded via bittorrent. |
| 01:06.06 | *** join/#maemo doublec (n=doublec@202.180.114.137) |
| 01:06.12 | K`zan | Ah, duhhh, I stand corrected, I have a whole pile of sha things... |
| 01:06.19 | alterego | s/presumable/presumably/ |
| 01:06.25 | soothsayer | alterego: The hash you generated was from the torrent download? |
| 01:06.39 | alterego | soothsayer, no. It was from the Nokia downoad |
| 01:06.46 | alterego | I didn't use bittorrent. |
| 01:06.52 | K`zan | Was thinking it would be nice if they posted the md5 rather than the size on the website |
| 01:07.11 | K`zan | Brick this beast over a bad download, I would NOT be happy. |
| 01:07.31 | soothsayer | alterego: Thanks for sha512 |
| 01:07.31 | K`zan | Is there any point in doing a backup from 2007 before re-flashing? |
| 01:07.34 | alterego | If you're scared of bricking, don't flash the bootloader. |
| 01:07.55 | K`zan | soothsayer: FWIW, alterego's sha512 matches mine. |
| 01:07.58 | alterego | If you're not scared of bricking flash /dev/urandom. |
| 01:08.18 | alterego | K`zan, you downloaded it via bittorrent though. |
| 01:08.19 | K`zan | I ain't scared of nothin! |
| 01:08.36 | alterego | I was the original seed (honest) and I corrupted the image to install a viruz on it. |
| 01:08.36 | K`zan | alterego: But you didn't, right? |
| 01:08.38 | soothsayer | K`zan: Thanks, but if you downloaded from bittorrent it defeats the purpose. |
| 01:08.54 | alterego | K`zan, not if they match it doesn't. |
| 01:08.55 | K`zan | I just know you did :) |
| 01:09.06 | K`zan | Gads, the doomsayers... |
| 01:09.07 | soothsayer | K`zan: Although thanks, having someone to confirm would be nice. |
| 01:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | Make a backup, K`zan. |
| 01:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, you could test something for me in the process. |
| 01:09.26 | K`zan | THe one in the menu? or dd something? |
| 01:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | Open up control panel, hit the navigation item and move something around in the Applications menu. |
| 01:09.48 | alterego | I actually didn't even seed on the torrent. I was going to but then people were complaining about getting too faster download speeds. So I didn't bother and just carried on with my themes. |
| 01:09.55 | K`zan | I can do that on 2007, couldn't often in 2008 for the n810... |
| 01:10.28 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: ---^^^ |
| 01:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Do what? |
| 01:10.40 | _Monkey | Do is probably click the Find button on the toolbar, Components, and then uncheck Flash) |
| 01:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | Make backups or organize the menu? |
| 01:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | Either way: TEST MAH BUG! |
| 01:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 01:11.20 | K`zan | that == drag an app to another folder - no problem on 2007. Out of 150 drags and drops on 2008 for the 810, it might work once. |
| 01:11.29 | alterego | Okay, from now on I'll train Monkey out of channel :) |
| 01:11.46 | alterego | If I knew you could do it via priv msg I would have always done it like that :) |
| 01:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine for me. |
| 01:11.50 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: It WORKS on 2007 Sir! |
| 01:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | OK, good |
| 01:11.58 | GeneralAntilles | now make a backup. |
| 01:12.29 | alterego | K`zan, try dropping it on the actual icon of the directory. |
| 01:12.32 | alterego | Or text .. |
| 01:12.33 | GeneralAntilles | Some bots are per-channel, so I can't blame you alterego. ;) |
| 01:12.34 | K`zan | Backing up to removable. |
| 01:12.47 | K`zan | alterego: Tried ALL that :-). |
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| 01:13.00 | alterego | Weird .. I don't have that problem. |
| 01:13.03 | K`zan | On text and on icon - rarely did it work. |
| 01:13.47 | K`zan | VERY rarely - but NOTE that was with 2008 for the n810, so I don't know about 2008 for the n800, will get a chance to do that tonight :-). |
| 01:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm dragging stuff around right now and it works GREAT! :P |
| 01:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | It worked fine on the N810 firmware, too. |
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| 01:14.08 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: OK, backed up, now what? |
| 01:14.18 | GeneralAntilles | Turn it off and flash away! |
| 01:14.20 | K`zan | Not here it didn't :-( |
| 01:14.32 | K`zan | GULP, Okdokee. |
| 01:14.45 | K`zan | Sheez, 15M backup. |
| 01:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly PDF manuals. ;) |
| 01:14.58 | *** part/#maemo |tbb| (n=tb@p50817FA7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:15.10 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Deleted all but US one of those... |
| 01:15.18 | K`zan | Installed too much crap I guess :). |
| 01:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | (I need to turn this rig off at some point to install my new drives and drop the old ones in mah new enclosure :D) |
| 01:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe the video/song(s), then. |
| 01:15.37 | K`zan | Charger out too IIRC. |
| 01:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Good. |
| 01:16.17 | K`zan | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 01:16.19 | K`zan | ww |
| 01:17.45 | K`zan | Oops?!??!? |
| 01:17.56 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: /join #vmmst |
| 01:19.31 | alterego | PDF, video and audio take ~40M |
| 01:20.04 | alterego | I've been storing only the EN_GB PDF on my memory cards. So everytime I reflash I can delete every file under MyDocs |
| 01:21.38 | czr | 0.4 is now ready. |
| 01:21.52 | alterego | That and I like to keep archives of stuff like that .. |
| 01:21.55 | czr | which means that maybe sometime in the near future (this week maybe), I'll be done with this .. interesting stuff. |
| 01:22.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 01:22.14 | alterego | Nice. |
| 01:22.33 | czr | oddly enough, the package got smaller again :-) |
| 01:22.40 | alterego | Hahah |
| 01:22.50 | czr | was 3.5 MiB. is 3.3 MiB :-) |
| 01:22.52 | alterego | Wonder how that happened ;) |
| 01:23.11 | czr | replaced some more content with "lorem ipsum", no one reads it anyway, and it compressed far better |
| 01:23.21 | alterego | Hah |
| 01:23.33 | alterego | I thought you were throwing chunks of it out of the window ;) |
| 01:23.47 | czr | neh. basically replaced some more screenshots with 4.0 stuff |
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| 01:24.05 | czr | the old ones didn't use the highly effective picture processing pipeline (*cough*) |
| 01:24.19 | czr | the new ones end up being smaller in size. |
| 01:24.41 | czr | anyhow, sleepytime for me |
| 01:24.45 | czr | night alterego, night others too |
| 01:25.06 | K`zan | Night czr rest well! |
| 01:25.30 | czr | it's 3:25 AM here, so yes, I plan to :-) |
| 01:25.39 | K`zan | Found my backup files (from 2007) and wants so restore?!? |
| 01:25.49 | alterego | g'night czr |
| 01:25.50 | K`zan | 1725 here :), got hours to play yet :-) |
| 01:26.03 | czr | oh me too. on about 6 hours :-) |
| 01:26.07 | czr | in even.. |
| 01:26.21 | alterego | I'm gonna hit the hay soon. As soon as I've finished writing these notes. |
| 01:26.34 | K`zan | Lets see what happens if I let it restore, have NONE of the same apps installed... |
| 01:26.56 | K`zan | czr: Hope to get to checking everything out while installing the sdk tonight if not tomorrow. |
| 01:28.21 | alterego | My first theming task is to completely customise the home screen. |
| 01:28.28 | K`zan | Seems to be restoring intelligently so far... |
| 01:28.42 | alterego | Which actually includes making apps look nice when they're not fullscreened .. |
| 01:29.12 | alterego | Think I'll write a couple of helper scripts now before I go to bed actually. |
| 01:29.25 | K`zan | :-) |
| 01:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just cant' stop, can you alterego. :P |
| 01:29.52 | alterego | If I stopped I'd just be bored :P |
| 01:30.08 | zerojay | alterego: Maemo Ruby doesn't have any mp3 libraries with it, does it? |
| 01:30.09 | alterego | Whilst I have the motivation I best get as much done as possible too ;) |
| 01:30.10 | K`zan | Heaven forbid :-) |
| 01:30.28 | alterego | zerojay, no. What were you looking for tag reading? |
| 01:30.33 | zerojay | Yep. |
| 01:30.43 | alterego | Would you like me to make a package for you? |
| 01:30.50 | K`zan | Do understand the motivation part though. |
| 01:30.53 | zerojay | I'm thinking about trying out an alternate way of doing last.fm scrobbling of tracks. |
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| 01:31.00 | zerojay | That would work with Media Player and others. |
| 01:31.05 | zerojay | Without needing them to support it. |
| 01:31.10 | zerojay | alterego: If you have the time. |
| 01:31.35 | alterego | zerojay, if you find a Ruby MP3 lib that suits you. I'll package it and stick it in the ruby-maemo deb repository. |
| 01:31.47 | zerojay | alterego: Okay, I'll let you know when I do. |
| 01:32.15 | alterego | I've got loads of extensions I want to do .. RMagick for one. |
| 01:32.48 | alterego | zerojay, Any extensions you want done just ask and I'll do them for you ;) |
| 01:33.31 | K`zan | First thing I am going to try to port is jpilot... |
| 01:33.55 | zerojay | I figure that if you do "lsof | grep mp3" and then check the program running the mp3 and see if it's known... then get the tags for the mp3 being played. If you poll once every ten seconds and you've polled past what would be the midpoint of the song, submit it. |
| 01:34.25 | alterego | Ooo, interesting. |
| 01:34.36 | zerojay | That way, even Media Player tracks can be scrobbled. |
| 01:34.47 | K`zan | Then I won't have to lug the Z31 and the n800 :) |
| 01:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, me too. |
| 01:35.24 | zerojay | It's a cell phone app, I believe. |
| 01:35.24 | alterego | Oh, is that the aviator app? |
| 01:35.38 | alterego | Okay, I'm way off then :) |
| 01:35.44 | zerojay | Downloading and syncing data, I think. |
| 01:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.jpilot.org/ ? |
| 01:35.53 | alterego | "Pilot" .. "Plane" .. |
| 01:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:36.00 | zerojay | That would be the one. |
| 01:36.10 | alterego | Well, I knew it was a palm I didn't realise you had to have special syncing softare :P |
| 01:36.18 | K`zan | Great, no FBReader for 2008 :-( |
| 01:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | Check the site. ;) |
| 01:36.30 | zerojay | alterego: http://ruby-mp3info.rubyforge.org/ |
| 01:36.35 | zerojay | Might work. |
| 01:36.36 | K`zan | I want it more for the organizer than anything else. |
| 01:36.44 | GeneralAntilles | Will it work under the Garnet emulator, K`zan? |
| 01:37.11 | K`zan | Dunno, I thought I had FBReader for 2008 before, searching. |
| 01:37.36 | alterego | zerojay, that API is ugly .. |
| 01:37.44 | zerojay | Yeah, it looks like it. :) |
| 01:37.50 | zerojay | I'll keep looking. |
| 01:37.55 | alterego | "hastag1?" O_o |
| 01:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.fbreader.org/maemo/maemo4.php |
| 01:38.06 | alterego | The ruby way would be "tag1?" |
| 01:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | Also, K`zan: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 01:38.41 | zerojay | alterego: This looks good.. http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/id3lib-ruby/ |
| 01:40.10 | zerojay | Ah.. requires id3lib as well. |
| 01:40.30 | alterego | Which I think is installed in maemo. |
| 01:40.34 | alterego | That's a good one :) |
| 01:40.42 | zerojay | Hmmm.. :) |
| 01:40.47 | alterego | zerojay, yeah. That one okay? |
| 01:41.01 | alterego | Looks like exactly what you're after. And it binds with a maemo library :) |
| 01:41.14 | zerojay | Any way to run ruby apps as daemon + control panel (like Maemoscrobbler?) |
| 01:41.48 | alterego | I've not tested control panel applets yet. |
| 01:42.18 | alterego | Erm. your best bet is write multiple apps and have them communicate via osso |
| 01:43.38 | alterego | Control panel applets should really only be about configuring an app. Most of which should be done in gconf which your app should auto detect and act accordingly. So there's another method. |
| 01:43.50 | alterego | Saves wrestling with osso/dbus. |
| 01:45.02 | K`zan | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ --- memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211. |
| 01:45.28 | alterego | K`zan, don't expect maemo.org to work very well. Try again later ;) |
| 01:45.33 | K`zan | rr |
| 01:45.46 | K`zan | Is there a point to claws mail over the built in? |
| 01:46.02 | alterego | The built in is sh*t |
| 01:46.20 | alterego | Though, I've not used claws so I can't comment on whether that's an improvement or not :) |
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| 01:47.35 | K`zan | OK, built in is OK for now :-) |
| 01:47.56 | K`zan | Thanks! |
| 01:48.11 | K`zan | Hope someone ports that FM radio applet soon.... |
| 01:48.12 | halley | flasher-3.0 for linux doesn't seem to work on osxintel, is there a better osxintel choice for n810? |
| 01:49.17 | halley | Anyone have the -19 version ROM? It estimates 7hrs download. |
| 01:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | 770Flasher? |
| 01:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | You on an N810? |
| 01:49.52 | halley | Yeah. |
| 01:50.10 | alterego | Jeez, there's a lot of bitching on gnome mobile :/ |
| 01:50.24 | halley | Trying to do the gainroot shuffle. |
| 01:50.25 | alterego | planet.maemo.org about gnome mobile (Jeff someone) |
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| 01:50.51 | alterego | There wasn't really any point in reading it now. It's all rubbish since the last read :/ |
| 01:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 01:52.42 | alterego | Well, I'd like to say theming is easier in OS2008 but it kind of feels the same :) |
| 01:52.51 | alterego | Of not more complicated from some of the transparency stuff. |
| 01:52.55 | alterego | s/Of/If |
| 01:53.40 | K`zan | No ssh for 2008 yet, gurgle..... |
| 01:53.51 | alterego | K`zan, yes there is. |
| 01:53.57 | alterego | K`zan, enable the extras repository. |
| 01:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | openssh is in Extras |
| 01:54.07 | K`zan | Oh Goodie! Thanks! |
| 01:54.19 | K`zan | No life without ssh :) |
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| 01:56.18 | kupesoft | Flashed the new os2008, but where's pand? |
| 01:56.27 | kupesoft | (bluetooth over ip tunnelling) |
| 01:58.48 | K`zan | Wonder if a BT headset will work with the SIP clients(s)? |
| 01:59.21 | procto | K`zan: if you have any luck with it let me know |
| 01:59.22 | procto | I haven't |
| 01:59.27 | procto | had any |
| 02:00.05 | K`zan | I tried it here on 2007 with no luck either - those things really are problematical with linux :-(. |
| 02:00.30 | alterego | Meh, bedtime. Goodnight folks. |
| 02:00.36 | halley | The 'sudo gainroot' step gives an error: cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? |
| 02:01.13 | halley | I've mounted the usb and saw the usb symbol on boot, etc. |
| 02:01.27 | K`zan | Dinnertime, bbl. |
| 02:01.57 | |R | procto : on OS 2008 ? |
| 02:02.37 | procto | OS2007 |
| 02:02.37 | _Monkey | rumour has it OS2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810 |
| 02:02.44 | zerojay | Someone on ITT said that they had gotten it to work on 2008. |
| 02:02.56 | procto | orly? |
| 02:02.57 | _Monkey | rumour has it orly is Ya rly |
| 02:02.58 | |R | yeah, it's supposed to be supported |
| 02:03.02 | zerojay | _Monkey forget OS2007 |
| 02:03.02 | _Monkey | zerojay: I forgot os2007 |
| 02:03.09 | zerojay | _Monkey forget orly? |
| 02:03.09 | _Monkey | zerojay: I forgot orly |
| 02:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth with SIP works perfectly over here. |
| 02:03.19 | procto | _Monkey is an infobot? |
| 02:03.26 | zerojay | procto: Yes. |
| 02:03.28 | |R | i hope, i called a blueant V12 :) |
| 02:03.31 | zerojay | The most annoying kind. |
| 02:03.39 | |R | haha |
| 02:03.52 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Mono or stereo? |
| 02:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | Mono |
| 02:04.05 | |R | there is a2dp support commented out in a default config too |
| 02:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | don't have a stereo set |
| 02:04.12 | |R | (from what i heard) |
| 02:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | A2DP is, apparently, "coming". |
| 02:04.35 | |R | because there wasn't DSP support and it would suck to much battery.. but it's there or something ;) |
| 02:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | The pickup button even works to answer. |
| 02:04.54 | zerojay | Wish they would fix the Skype package. |
| 02:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | I need some room on my desk to stick the N800 with this bluetooth keyboard, but there just isn't any. <_< |
| 02:08.58 | zerojay | Why is it that Estonia has SkypeIn, but not Canada yet? |
| 02:09.29 | halley | Ah, second try on enable-rd-mode seems to have worked. |
| 02:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | Because Canada sucks, duh. :P |
| 02:10.02 | zerojay | pffffffft. :) |
| 02:10.47 | l7 | why doesn't canada suck? |
| 02:11.04 | derf | Because it blows. |
| 02:11.05 | l7 | i rather like canada or at least the idea of it |
| 02:11.22 | |R | the idea of it? |
| 02:11.36 | zerojay | The reality of it is quite nice too. |
| 02:12.18 | l7 | canada seems like a snowy alternative to the US |
| 02:12.25 | l7 | like a cold beer |
| 02:12.58 | zerojay | Canada's like the US's more relaxed and polite brother. |
| 02:13.19 | |R | and better beer ;) |
| 02:13.42 | derf | Beer is only better cold when it has no taste. |
| 02:14.13 | |R | as explained in the bud commercials haha :) |
| 02:14.47 | l7 | yeah relaxed and polite sounds good |
| 02:14.52 | l7 | less gun violence |
| 02:14.58 | l7 | maybe less road rage? |
| 02:15.11 | zerojay | I was in the US for five years. It was nice.. but there's a feeling that life down there is somewhat warped. |
| 02:15.23 | l7 | what did you notice? |
| 02:15.46 | zerojay | Well, religion is such a huge deal down there. People are "warriors for God", for example. |
| 02:15.56 | l7 | it's hard to notice certain things when you've been in one place too long |
| 02:16.07 | l7 | oh yeah, that's the republicans |
| 02:16.12 | zerojay | In Canada, there's religion here too.... a freaking church every other block it seems, but no one feels the need to convert or force you to theirs. |
| 02:16.15 | elb | holy crap, ignorance |
| 02:16.27 | zerojay | No, I wouldn't say that's a republican thing. |
| 02:16.30 | deejoe | we are all individuals |
| 02:16.32 | zerojay | That's a knee-jerk reaction. |
| 02:16.35 | elb | yes, it is |
| 02:16.51 | zerojay | I lived in a red state, so I knew plenty of those. |
| 02:17.06 | zerojay | But you don't get people coming to your door trying to convert you in Canada. |
| 02:17.07 | deejoe | where were you, zerojay? |
| 02:17.13 | elb | really? |
| 02:17.13 | zerojay | deejoe: Kentucky. |
| 02:17.17 | deejoe | hahahaha |
| 02:17.18 | |R | well, we still get mormons ;) |
| 02:17.23 | elb | I've seen Mormons in every country I've been in |
| 02:17.24 | |R | but maybe there a bit more rare :) |
| 02:17.25 | deejoe | yeah, like *that's* typical |
| 02:17.25 | zerojay | deejoe: Tell me about it. ;) |
| 02:17.45 | elb | in fact, I saw *more* of them in Japan, a barely Christian country, than any other place I've lived |
| 02:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Kentucky is just TOUCH backwater. :P |
| 02:17.51 | deejoe | zerojay: you might want to dial back on the extrapolation, given that. |
| 02:17.57 | derf | "Barely" is being generous. |
| 02:18.21 | zerojay | I think entertainment's dulled the senses of the general public to the point that most of them just don't care what their country is really doing... or don't care enough to do something about it. |
| 02:18.36 | zerojay | Or maybe just aren't sure what to do. |
| 02:18.38 | l7 | i get the feeling people here are more aggro, whether it's in the kentucky or the big cities |
| 02:18.38 | elb | in fact, I also was in Australia for only four days, and saw two different groups of Mormons |
| 02:18.49 | l7 | if you can generalize anything about a country this big |
| 02:18.56 | deejoe | where in KY, zerojay? I have a friend in Lexington, I lived near Henderson, know someone from Possum Trot (<-- no, seriously) |
| 02:19.07 | elb | one of them tried to convert me, then found out I was American, and lost interest ;-) |
| 02:19.14 | zerojay | deejoe: I was in Lagrange. |
| 02:19.30 | soothsayer | Did anybody have trouble with dpkg --(get|set)-packages to backup/restore packages when going from 2007 to 2008? |
| 02:20.00 | zerojay | The people in the US are generally really good people that are willing to help you with anything, if they aren't afraid of you, anyways. |
| 02:20.11 | deejoe | google maps seems not to know it, zerojay |
| 02:20.30 | elb | that's also a generalization, zerojay :-) |
| 02:20.32 | deejoe | soothsayer: interesting question. |
| 02:20.34 | elb | probably from being in Kentucky |
| 02:20.46 | elb | there are plenty of places in the US where people would just as soon step on your face, as help you |
| 02:20.54 | l7 | zerojay: people aren't that open in canada? |
| 02:20.56 | elb | but, I agree, the average location in the US is quite friendly |
| 02:21.28 | zerojay | l7: They are even more so in Canada. My wife kept on laughing about the fact that people were just coming up to her and talking to her... people she didn't know whatsoever. |
| 02:21.44 | |R | zerojay : have you been to other provinces in canada? (as we both are in quebec, it's a bit skewed ;) |
| 02:21.51 | l7 | yeah that's a big unusual compared to the US |
| 02:22.07 | elb | again, that depends on location |
| 02:22.12 | zerojay | deejoe: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=La+grange,+Kentucky&ie=UTF8&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1 |
| 02:22.18 | elb | in the rural midwest, it happens a LOT |
| 02:22.22 | elb | especially old dudes |
| 02:22.40 | zerojay | |R: I've been to parts of Ontario and some of the maritimes. |
| 02:22.48 | |R | ok :) |
| 02:22.52 | |R | i haven't :( |
| 02:23.19 | halley | Okay, how does one add repositories for pulling other packages in app manager? |
| 02:23.38 | elb | heh lagrange is less than 100 miles from where I grew up |
| 02:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 02:23.46 | zerojay | elb: Where's that? |
| 02:23.48 | elb | (but I was in OH) |
| 02:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | Just use that, halley. |
| 02:23.55 | elb | just north of Cincy |
| 02:23.55 | zerojay | Cincy? |
| 02:24.06 | elb | Middletown, OH |
| 02:24.33 | zerojay | I never did get to check out Cincy much... closest I've been to really being there was spending a day or so at the Newport Aquarium. |
| 02:24.38 | halley | GeneralAntilles, found something like it; I think I'll tinyurl it first. |
| 02:24.50 | elb | I don't particularly care for Cincy |
| 02:24.55 | elb | I mean, it's all right, but nothing special |
| 02:24.58 | halley | GeneralAntilles, if that's the best site, thanks. |
| 02:25.08 | elb | word up halley |
| 02:25.34 | zerojay | I think the best thing about Cincy was that it usually signaled the fact that my 25 hour bus rides down to Louisville were nearly over. |
| 02:25.56 | halley | http://tinyurl.com/2tqc6q |
| 02:26.09 | soothsayer | What doesn't the 'backup tool' backup that I should be backing up? |
| 02:26.24 | soothsayer | (Besides sources.list) |
| 02:26.31 | zerojay | Might not backup GPE stuff.. at least some people have said that. |
| 02:26.38 | zerojay | Actually, it does back that up now. |
| 02:27.27 | zerojay | rdesktop.. is it client and server or just client? |
| 02:28.35 | soothsayer | zerojay: I imagine just the client. |
| 02:29.03 | soothsayer | Is there even an rdesktop server for Linux? |
| 02:31.40 | derf | soothsayer: It doesn't back up the contents of your home directory. |
| 02:32.04 | derf | Just the stuff in MyDocs (I think). |
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| 02:32.14 | soothsayer | derf: Thanks |
| 02:32.29 | gnuite | Are any devs here developing for both OS2006/2007 _and_ OS2008? |
| 02:33.11 | gnuite | Perhaps a better question is, "Are any devs here?" :) |
| 02:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, hello, gnuite. I was just going to complain that there wasn't an official port of maemo mapper for OS2008. :P |
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| 02:34.02 | derf | gnuite: I will be after you work out all the problems for me. |
| 02:34.37 | soothsayer | What does 'flasher -k zImage -f' do? |
| 02:35.02 | srwalter | is the source to the wireless connection manager not available? |
| 02:35.02 | zerojay | Flashes the kernel only to the tablet. |
| 02:35.09 | gnuite | Yeah, well, I'm trying to work on it, but juggling OS2006 and OS2007 in the same scratchbox was hard enough, which is why I went to great lengths to keep my single codebase both OS2006- and OS2007-compatible. Why did they have to go and make OS2008 binary-incompatible? Grumble... |
| 02:35.19 | soothsayer | zerojay: In what instance would I do that? |
| 02:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be better in the long run. :) |
| 02:35.32 | derf | gnuite: Progress! |
| 02:35.32 | _Monkey | i think progress is incredible |
| 02:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just look at the 5-minute Transmission port. |
| 02:35.41 | zerojay | If you wanted to update the kernel. |
| 02:36.16 | halley | Okay, just adding "Maemo Chinook" and "Maemo Extras" for now. Any other must-haves? I want python. |
| 02:36.16 | zerojay | soothsayer: I assume you are wanting to update to the 2008 beta for N800? |
| 02:36.24 | gnuite | Oh, I have no doubt that OS2008 is better. I cursed the gtk 2.6 choice in OS2006/2007 - so many great things in gtk 2.10 that I wanted to be able to use.... |
| 02:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | maemo bora, halley. |
| 02:36.42 | derf | Not to mention the half-implemented dbus libs... |
| 02:37.03 | soothsayer | zerojay: I have the non-beta and want to upgrade to that, but was looking at instructions for the beta and can't make sense of them |
| 02:37.06 | derf | (the glib bindings for which are totally broken) |
| 02:37.14 | zerojay | soothsayer: There is no non-beta. |
| 02:37.22 | halley | GeneralAntilles, thanks. |
| 02:37.29 | gnuite | derf: dbus-glib works fine for Maemo Mapper. |
| 02:37.33 | soothsayer | zerojay: Alright, the beta then. |
| 02:37.33 | halley | Bora is N800? |
| 02:37.55 | zerojay | soothsayer: You should be able to flash it with just the regular Nokia flasher programs. Are you using Linux? |
| 02:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | Bora is OS2007 |
| 02:38.02 | soothsayer | zerojay: Yup |
| 02:38.15 | gnuite | Mixing non-glib with dbus-glib was a hazard, though. libgpsbt kept borking my entire dbus connection. |
| 02:38.42 | soothsayer | zerojay: So no need to use the '-k,-n,-r' flags? |
| 02:39.09 | zerojay | soothsayer: That was only done with the N810 firmware when attempting to flash to the N800. |
| 02:39.14 | zerojay | soothsayer: ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 02:39.16 | derf | gnuite: Try adding signal handlers. |
| 02:39.21 | zerojay | soothsayer: Use that, replace the filename. |
| 02:39.32 | soothsayer | zerojay: Okay thanks |
| 02:39.50 | zerojay | soothsayer: Let us know if you have any problems. |
| 02:39.59 | derf | There are a bunch of NULL pointer exceptions that get triggered because no one had obviously ever run the code before. |
| 02:39.59 | gnuite | derf: Ah... I haven't tried dbus handlers with dbus-glib... Glad I didn't. :) |
| 02:40.24 | derf | That was in fact the only thing I wanted to do with it. |
| 02:40.51 | soothsayer | One last question. Does anyone have a solution to how to, as automatically as possible, restore applications? Just getting dropbear-server installed is painful. |
| 02:40.51 | derf | I wound up using just enough of the bindings to get it into the glib main loop, and doing everything else directly with dbus. |
| 02:41.10 | zerojay | Damn.. 205 users. X_x |
| 02:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | That we'll have from OS2008 forward, soothsayer. |
| 02:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | OpenSSH is in Chinook Extras |
| 02:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | so it's not a problem. |
| 02:41.35 | doc|home | zerojay: it probably helps that skype are based in estonia (or were) :) |
| 02:41.42 | doc|home | anyone got the torrent link? |
| 02:41.45 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder if that thread from yesterday helped at all, zerojay. :) |
| 02:42.01 | soothsayer | GeneralAntilles: Do I need to add a repo manually? |
| 02:42.03 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I'd imagine it had. |
| 02:42.08 | doc|home | or is the official server usable again? |
| 02:42.13 | srwalter | is the source to the wireless connection manager not available? |
| 02:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 02:42.14 | zerojay | doc|home: Ah, didn't know that. |
| 02:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to end up pasting that link a hundred thousand times before the night is over. :\ |
| 02:42.37 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 02:42.46 | doc|home | thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 02:42.48 | GeneralAntilles | Just uncheck disabled, soothsayer. |
| 02:42.52 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: you could optic it |
| 02:42.54 | soothsayer | Why not put it in the topic? |
| 02:43.03 | doc|home | or topic is another idea |
| 02:43.05 | soothsayer | GeneralAntilles: Thanks |
| 02:43.11 | doc|home | way better than optic :/ |
| 02:43.14 | zerojay | I was able to pull it down at about 1MB/sec earlier today.. kind of shocked to see so many people struggling to get it. |
| 02:43.22 | zerojay | If I had known, I would have thrown it on Jablet. |
| 02:43.30 | halley | GeneralAntilles, is that torrent the same file as N810? Different filename than I found. |
| 02:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's the N800 beta |
| 02:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Not for N810. |
| 02:44.01 | zerojay | More advanced, more N800 specific bug fixes, apparently. |
| 02:44.04 | halley | Anyone have a torrent for the N810? Their server is giving me 5hrs download. |
| 02:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just wait until tomorrow, halley. |
| 02:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | -19 isn't much of an upgrade over -18, anyway. |
| 02:44.36 | zerojay | No, it's not. |
| 02:44.38 | halley | Yeah, that's what I'm expecting. |
| 02:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | timeless said that there's no difference in packages, so who knows. |
| 02:45.04 | doc|home | anyone got links on how to flash this thing under linux? I'm expecting maemo.org to suck too given earlier performance |
| 02:45.39 | doc|home | w00t, 550K |
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| 02:45.55 | doc|home | 3 mins to completion :) |
| 02:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | [7:52pm] <GeneralAntilles>[7:19pm] <alterego>bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f |
| 02:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | as root |
| 02:46.19 | zerojay | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 02:46.31 | doc|home | thanks zerojay |
| 02:47.15 | zerojay | np, but it amounts to what GA just posted. |
| 02:47.23 | halley | openssh installing... |
| 02:47.30 | doc|home | aye, but I'd have to have flasher first :) |
| 02:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | How in the world can you not have that? :P |
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| 02:49.31 | halley | Is it just me, or is it weird that a device with a webcam would ship with no webcam app? |
| 02:49.37 | doc|home | because I only bought my n800 last wednesday :) |
| 02:49.58 | srwalter | they want to community to contribute it :) |
| 02:49.58 | doc|home | halley: personally I think the whole concept of webcams is weird :) |
| 02:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | I agree, doc|home. |
| 02:50.10 | doc|home | there are webcam apps already |
| 02:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | and I see. :) |
| 02:50.13 | srwalter | personally, I want to contribute TTLS/PAP support. but without the source, that's hard. |
| 02:50.23 | halley | doc|home, a name? |
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| 02:50.37 | doc|home | halley: erm, sorry, I can't remember :/ |
| 02:50.49 | halley | It's weird, sure, but I'm thinking more of like "Photo Booth" on a mac. |
| 02:50.55 | halley | Just a snapshot maker. |
| 02:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Camera, but I don't think it's been ported to OS2008. |
| 02:51.28 | doc|home | stupid rain |
| 02:51.28 | halley | These repo installers are dependency-aware like regular apt-get, right? |
| 02:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | The rain scared you silly? :P |
| 02:51.55 | doc|home | halley: yep, but you have to have repos for dependencies (obviously) :) |
| 02:52.07 | halley | Sure. |
| 02:53.33 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: no, that was the snow :( |
| 02:53.36 | doc|home | it's somewhat disconcerting that such things as Fiasco images exist :| |
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| 02:54.09 | halley | I walked through the "sudo ; passwd user ; echo>>sudoers ; passwd -l root" shuffle, but it said App Manager will be goofed up by this if I don't cache a sudo. Anyone fixing App Manager to do a sudo gui passwd? |
| 02:58.48 | halley | Oh, the sample videos and music songs didn't seem to play on stock N810 either. |
| 02:59.27 | zerojay | I'm kind of surprised no one's started a tablet podcast yet. |
| 03:00.00 | zerojay | I'd do it myself, but I don't think anyone would listen and I don't think I'd get enough alone time to record anyways. |
| 03:01.32 | oil | great, os2008 for n800 is out |
| 03:02.17 | deejoe | out, out, or out as beta? |
| 03:02.23 | zerojay | Out as in beta. |
| 03:02.33 | zerojay | Final = December. |
| 03:02.46 | deejoe | ah. |
| 03:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | beta, smeta it works great. |
| 03:02.55 | zerojay | Indeed, it does. |
| 03:03.53 | oil | uh. with this speed (2.5KB/s) I'll get the whole package after 14 hours of downloading. something wrong with the server? |
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| 03:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 03:04.21 | soothsayer | Is there an easy way to replace the ultra-bright splash images? I nearly go blind when turning the device on in the dark |
| 03:04.46 | zerojay | That's your problem. |
| 03:04.49 | zerojay | Don't turn it off. |
| 03:05.02 | zerojay | :) |
| 03:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | Related question, is there a way to make the lowest software brightness setting the same as the lowest hardware setting? |
| 03:05.15 | zerojay | But yes, there is a way to replace the image.. I believe in the rootfs. |
| 03:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, soothsayer, there's no reason to turn these things off. |
| 03:05.28 | zerojay | Probably can through gconf. |
| 03:05.56 | soothsayer | zerojay: Which image? The blue Nokia on white or the holding hands? |
| 03:06.13 | zerojay | Both should be in the rootfs. |
| 03:07.17 | zerojay | I just don't ever turn the thing off. |
| 03:07.31 | zerojay | At home, I plug it in before bed. |
| 03:07.42 | zerojay | At work, I've got a ton of Nokia chargers everywhere. |
| 03:08.35 | halley | zerojay, you work at Nokia? |
| 03:08.50 | zerojay | halley: No no no. |
| 03:08.59 | zerojay | halley: I work for a cell phone gaming company. |
| 03:09.12 | zerojay | So we've got about 350 phones from all around the world. |
| 03:09.17 | zerojay | About half are Nokias. |
| 03:09.38 | soothsayer | Sometimes my battery runs out but in any case I will eventually boot it in the dark and will curse those splash screens |
| 03:10.03 | halley | Gaming gambling, or gaming bejeweled? |
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| 03:10.17 | zerojay | Gaming as in videogames running on cell phones. |
| 03:10.40 | zerojay | The one and only reason I want to have Java on my N800. ;P |
| 03:11.02 | zerojay | Show off my work to my parents. |
| 03:11.04 | halley | Pygame not good enough? |
| 03:11.04 | oil | zerojay: did you see the wii-remote controlled 'game' for n95 yet? |
| 03:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, don't get him started on the Wii. :P |
| 03:11.41 | zerojay | halley: Games on cell phones are usually written for BREW or Java.. not python. |
| 03:11.42 | oil | heh. it's simply great demo :) |
| 03:11.56 | zerojay | oil: I don't see anything practical coming out of it. |
| 03:12.12 | zerojay | So while that sort of thing was interesting (the first 2000 times it was done), it's just old now. |
| 03:12.31 | zerojay | Wiimote uses Bluetooth... we get it. |
| 03:12.58 | K`zan | Load Aoolet in the 2008 system stuff says it is an incompatible package FWIW. |
| 03:12.59 | zerojay | oil: But I haven't seen this particular one yet, no. |
| 03:13.02 | K`zan | Load applet |
| 03:13.02 | _Monkey | rumour has it Load applet is an application that provides a status bar plugin that shows the CPU load and memory usage. It has a small menu that allows for easy screen-shot taking. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 03:13.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . look what you've done. |
| 03:13.25 | K`zan | Just tried to install that :-(. |
| 03:13.27 | zerojay | change die bot die? |
| 03:13.27 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
| 03:13.32 | zerojay | :) |
| 03:13.38 | oil | well I saw the thing for the first time 2 days ago and tought it was neat. |
| 03:13.40 | halley | Well, the camera.py toy worked okay. |
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| 03:13.50 | zerojay | halley: Which one is that? |
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| 03:14.09 | K`zan | Unable to install (null) - Incompatible application package. |
| 03:14.23 | halley | A python script using the camera api to show a live view from the webcam. No saving video, just proof of hardware really. |
| 03:14.34 | halley | A scary-bad low-light pinhole camera, as expected. |
| 03:14.39 | zerojay | halley: Is it really unstable and crashy? |
| 03:14.51 | halley | What, python? Or the camera api? |
| 03:14.59 | zerojay | Camera.py. |
| 03:15.13 | halley | Didn't crash in the 10sec I was running it. ;) |
| 03:15.14 | elb | heh when I was at Hotnets in 2006, some dude was wearing an N95 around his neck, taking a photo ever 30 seconds or something and uploading it to a web server |
| 03:15.15 | zerojay | Because almost every cam app dies repeatedly or is reallly slow. |
| 03:15.24 | halley | It was slow framerate. |
| 03:15.36 | srwalter | does the N810 camera implement V4L(2) ? |
| 03:15.58 | srwalter | I see /dev/video0, so I'll assume so :) |
| 03:16.32 | halley | So, dumb question, how do I put app shortcuts on the "desktop"? |
| 03:16.37 | zerojay | Hmm.. attempting to download maps for the Map program killed my tablet. Heh. |
| 03:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | Got twice the SD space available? |
| 03:17.40 | halley | Hm, I wish the "lock" slider would shut down wifi and screen, as well as keyboard and touch. |
| 03:17.58 | oil | zerojay: try to get gps location first and then update the maps. might work. |
| 03:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | You could setup the powerbutton for soft power off. |
| 03:18.11 | zerojay | oil: There's no GPS. :) |
| 03:18.16 | srwalter | just so I'm sure: other people /can/ see these messages, right? |
| 03:18.22 | zerojay | srwalter: Yes. |
| 03:18.23 | oil | zerojay: bluetooth |
| 03:18.31 | srwalter | haha, success. |
| 03:18.33 | halley | GeneralAntilles, where do I config that? |
| 03:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.45 | zerojay | oil: Yes, I know, but it just simply crashed downloading map packs. |
| 03:19.02 | zerojay | Not the maps for wherever I was. |
| 03:19.23 | oil | zerojay: I know. it did the same for me as well with another package. |
| 03:20.47 | zerojay | ARgh.. for some reason, my tablet is taking contacts assigned to my Jablet account and assigns them to Google talk.. |
| 03:20.59 | zerojay | Even after I changed it. |
| 03:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:21.10 | zerojay | So those people just don't show up as online anymore. |
| 03:21.43 | oil | hm.. to get the WLAN AP MAC address. I can get it after I install wireless-tools and then with iwconfig. BUT is there a way to get the wlan mac addr without installing extra packages to n800? |
| 03:21.50 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 03:21.59 | zerojay | About device in Control Panel. |
| 03:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | Even better! |
| 03:22.07 | halley | GeneralAntilles, any sighup or do I have to reboot? |
| 03:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Open the back panel. ;) |
| 03:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot. |
| 03:22.33 | halley | oil, it's printed in the battery bay; jot it down. |
| 03:22.42 | oil | accesspoint MAC address, not the device itself |
| 03:23.01 | oil | WLAN0=`ifconfig wlan0 | grep wlan0 | grep HWaddr | cut -d\r -f3` |
| 03:23.01 | oil | AP=`iwconfig wlan0 | grep 'Access Point:' | cut -d\: -f 4-` |
| 03:23.26 | srwalter | does the N800 have the same wifi chip as the N810/ |
| 03:23.54 | oil | but this needs wireless-tools and I'd like to get the AP MAC without installing extra programs |
| 03:25.10 | WillySilly | srwalter: afaik the 800 and 810 do have the same |
| 03:26.36 | halley | GeneralAntilles, thanks. Seems to come back from softpoweroff with wifi disabled. Looking back at that config file. |
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| 03:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's further down |
| 03:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | Change the exit setting to restore |
| 03:26.56 | _Monkey | GeneralAntilles: that doesn't look right |
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| 03:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Shut up, _Monkey, you bitch! |
| 03:28.28 | doc|home | so, erm, how do you backup your stuff? |
| 03:28.48 | zerojay | Backup/Restore |
| 03:29.02 | doc|home | ingenious! |
| 03:29.09 | zerojay | :) |
| 03:31.57 | doc|home | man, that's way easier than it should be |
| 03:32.05 | doc|home | are we really using linux? :) |
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| 03:33.46 | halley | GeneralAntilles, the "connectivity policy when running on battery" refers to what to do when ENTERING softpoweroff mode, right? |
| 03:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an empty drive enclosure. |
| 03:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Now I need some drives. :\ |
| 03:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think so, halley. |
| 03:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | Let me check it |
| 03:34.42 | halley | There's one for power, one for battery, then the one you were talking about for LEAVING softpoweroff mode. |
| 03:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, you're correct |
| 03:35.25 | halley | And "tklock" refers to the touch/key lock slider? |
| 03:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | the first is entering soft poweroff when charger is connected and the second is on battery. |
| 03:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | Must be. |
| 03:36.33 | halley | Heh, the "camera popout" is irrelevant on N810. |
| 03:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 03:39.46 | halley | Hm, there's no .bashrc equivalent for busybox is there? |
| 03:40.02 | halley | Gots ta have me 'll' and 'dir'. |
| 03:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | .ashrc? |
| 03:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | (stab in the dark) |
| 03:40.40 | halley | Google agrees. |
| 03:41.46 | doc|home | hmmm, I'm also getting massive-menuitis, can that be changed? |
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| 03:43.37 | srwalter | is the wireless connection manager on the N810 open source? |
| 03:44.14 | matt_c | man I was hoping that the poor download server would have had a chance to breathe by now. |
| 03:45.38 | halley | GeneralAntilles, it liked .profile |
| 03:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Doubtful, srwalter. |
| 03:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | check maemo.org |
| 03:46.18 | srwalter | I have, and haven't seen it there |
| 03:46.35 | srwalter | bah. it seems like it'd be so easy to add TTLS/PAP support to it |
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| 03:46.58 | srwalter | they support TTLS/MSv2CHAP already, and PAP is way simpler. is plaintext! |
| 03:47.53 | WillySilly | srwalter: I think they use NetworkManager for that, which is under the GPL or LGPL |
| 03:49.46 | srwalter | if that's true, where does nokia typically publish their sources? |
| 03:50.33 | WillySilly | srwalter: http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/IT_source.php afaik |
| 03:50.40 | srwalter | thanks |
| 03:50.41 | Mmm810 | Ne1 know if the wifi drivers 810 use are open source, is it atheros chipset also |
| 03:51.03 | halley | Hm, I wonder if I want to adjust the LED options; it "snores" in blue whether wifi is enabled or not. |
| 03:51.03 | zerojay | Don't believe it is open source. |
| 03:51.11 | WillySilly | Mmm810: Its not an atheros |
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| 03:51.54 | WillySilly | Mmm810: and some of the driver is open source, the rest is binary |
| 03:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | You can turn that off in control panel, halley. |
| 03:52.21 | srwalter | cx3110x is the chip |
| 03:52.26 | halley | I don't mind snoring, if it's informative. |
| 03:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | The wifi drivers are closed. |
| 03:52.46 | srwalter | really? I'm looking at some of the source |
| 03:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm 90% certain. |
| 03:53.06 | WillySilly | srwalter: the part were it interfaces with the kernel is the only part thats open |
| 03:53.10 | srwalter | I see |
| 03:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | If they were open, then wouldn't we have packet injection? |
| 03:53.14 | WillySilly | rest is binary |
| 03:53.19 | srwalter | so umac is binary? |
| 03:53.32 | srwalter | ahh, indeed: |
| 03:53.35 | srwalter | cx3110x 56200 0 - Live 0xbf041000 |
| 03:53.36 | srwalter | umac 258788 1 cx3110x, Live 0xbf000000 (P) |
| 03:53.37 | doc|home | how do you accept the layout in the 2008? it's annoying on the rss reader, it keeps moving :/ |
| 03:53.45 | srwalter | (P) means proprietary |
| 03:53.52 | zerojay | You can disable that, doc|home |
| 03:54.10 | srwalter | woohoo, there is source to osso-wlan! Thanks again, WillySilly |
| 03:54.12 | zerojay | Oh, you're talking about the locking home apps. |
| 03:54.26 | zerojay | They don't lock in place like the older versions used to. |
| 03:54.28 | WillySilly | srwalter: no problem, glad I could help |
| 03:54.29 | doc|home | zerojay: yep, I want it, I just don't want it moving :) |
| 03:54.47 | zerojay | It doesn't move so long as you don't drag it. |
| 03:54.58 | WillySilly | Trying to upgrade libglib2.0-0 with 2007HE, but when I do, it bricks it |
| 03:55.03 | doc|home | and which seems to be every time I try to scroll :/ |
| 03:55.17 | zerojay | Then you need to recalibrate. :) |
| 03:55.30 | Mmm810 | Ohhh really osso-wlan awesome, yes bring on the packet injection |
| 03:55.48 | srwalter | what is this packet injection and why does everyone want it? |
| 03:55.55 | doc|home | I think it's my hands which need calibration :) still, locking was useful, the scrollbar is narrow |
| 03:56.07 | zerojay | Agreed. |
| 03:56.21 | zerojay | I just leave it there autoscrolling and when I see something, I use the RSS feed reader. |
| 03:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | RSS applet is useless |
| 03:56.34 | GeneralAntilles | CPU hog and space in-efficient. |
| 03:56.43 | zerojay | Disagree about it being useless. |
| 03:57.06 | zerojay | When I'm working, I just leave it up with that.. use it as sort of an informative tiny 3rd screen. |
| 03:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | What's with the LEDs on drive enclosures being so ridiculously bright these days? |
| 03:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | I swear they're using 1-watters. |
| 03:58.40 | hexal | anyone having problems with os2008 and kagu.. missing libbz2 and libgdbm3 ? .. weird thing is I cat /etc/apt/sources.list.. and there's nothing there.. I wonder where the reps are :( |
| 03:58.57 | doc|home | ok, this applet's way too annoying, it's gone |
| 03:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | ls /etc/apt |
| 03:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | it's got another extension |
| 03:59.43 | hexal | GeneralAntilles, ho k I see in .d |
| 04:01.02 | WillySilly | anyone using 2007HE? |
| 04:03.05 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:03.48 | WillySilly | pupnik: do you have gps-saver installed? |
| 04:04.00 | pupnik | no |
| 04:04.34 | Mmm810 | I cant believe on 810 there's no keyboard shortcut for the app menu, you have to tap to bring up |
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| 04:05.01 | zerojay | I thought there was the menu button for that? |
| 04:05.38 | pupnik | how is the gps working for you Mmm810 |
| 04:06.03 | doc|home | you flash bastards with your n810s :( |
| 04:06.24 | doc|home | 2008 is much faster :) |
| 04:06.26 | Mmm810 | It brings up the home panel applet menu, not the main app menu |
| 04:06.44 | zerojay | That's the application menu. :) |
| 04:07.58 | halley | There. My power button does nothing on shortpress, does softpoweroff on longpress, and does menu on doublepress. |
| 04:08.07 | Mmm810 | Um seems not so powerful on gps took while to find sats one time i tried in back yard in so cal |
| 04:08.20 | halley | And my tklock shuts off screen immediately. |
| 04:08.42 | halley | Mmm810, any gps will take 40sec to lock ephemeris. |
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| 04:08.55 | pumpkin | allo |
| 04:08.56 | halley | I haven't tried the n810 gps yet. |
| 04:09.02 | K`zan | Just tried to install that garnet-vm thing and it is missing apps it requires (don't ya love complete packages)? |
| 04:09.08 | pumpkin | I'm having trouble with libcurl on my scratchbox :-/ |
| 04:09.42 | K`zan | Anyone got an idea where jildon-fm1, hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 might be found? |
| 04:09.49 | K`zan | hildon-fm1 |
| 04:10.08 | Mmm810 | Hmm well whatever correct name for menu, i mean main app menu three green one blue square no key for it have to tap |
| 04:10.27 | zerojay | Maybe.. but it's not like that's hard to do. :) |
| 04:10.48 | K`zan | Anyone got an idea where hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 might be found? |
| 04:10.51 | K`zan | oops, ww |
| 04:11.10 | pumpkin | anyone know what might be causing errors like http://pastie.caboo.se/122434 ? |
| 04:11.13 | Mmm810 | Cool on gps maybe normal strength then i didn't buy for that only used once so far |
| 04:11.24 | pumpkin | it doesn't explain how my libs are incompatible |
| 04:11.27 | halley | Hm, what repo to try pygame? |
| 04:11.47 | zerojay | I thought python was in the extras? |
| 04:11.55 | Prez__ | anyone else downloading n800 it2008 beta? |
| 04:11.59 | halley | Not python, pygame. |
| 04:12.10 | Prez__ | trickling... |
| 04:12.12 | zerojay | halley: Yes, it's included. |
| 04:12.15 | doc|home | you know how the wifi seems to be uberpowerful? is it possible tp underclock it to conserve power? |
| 04:12.19 | doc|home | *to |
| 04:12.20 | halley | Oh! Didn't expect that. |
| 04:12.36 | pumpkin | hmm |
| 04:12.37 | zerojay | I think it is, anyways. |
| 04:12.41 | Mmm810 | Not hard for app menu but when you need it all the time it sucks no key slows you down |
| 04:12.42 | K`zan | Prez__: Got it earlier and already installed :-), so far so good other than a lot of apps not ported yet. |
| 04:12.43 | pumpkin | anyone have any dev help? |
| 04:13.06 | elb | Prez__: people have been complaining about that all day |
| 04:13.12 | Prez__ | K`zan: cool... it is downloading incredibly slow.. |
| 04:13.19 | Prez__ | 7 hours to go.. |
| 04:14.01 | doc|home | Prez__: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 04:14.16 | K`zan | Prez try the torrent: Yes, that's the one :-) Thanks doc|home |
| 04:14.20 | doc|home | :) |
| 04:14.38 | K`zan | Anyone got an idea where hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 might be found? |
| 04:14.46 | zerojay | Extras? |
| 04:14.47 | _Monkey | it has been said that Extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras (distribution: "bora" for n800, "gregale" for n770) (components="free non-free") |
| 04:15.14 | pumpkin | :( |
| 04:15.17 | K`zan | Anyone got an idea where hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 might be found? For the garnet-vm thingie... |
| 04:15.27 | zerojay | Extras? |
| 04:15.27 | _Monkey | Extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras (distribution: "bora" for n800, "gregale" for n770) (components="free non-free") |
| 04:15.28 | *** join/#maemo skiburr (n=chatzill@12.197.204.137) |
| 04:15.32 | Prez__ | much better, thanks |
| 04:15.35 | Mmm810 | How do you get like pipe symbol on term toolbar. Tried entering pipe worked until i exited then no more... |
| 04:16.21 | skiburr | Where can I download OS2008 bin file? The one on Maemo.org is very slow. |
| 04:16.44 | K`zan | Nope, got extras enabled, not there :-(. |
| 04:17.01 | halley | Mmm810, hit Chr button, scroll around in the thing that pops up. |
| 04:17.03 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 04:17.19 | K`zan | skiburr: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 04:17.28 | skiburr | ? |
| 04:17.35 | K`zan | torrent - MUCH faster |
| 04:17.40 | *** part/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 04:17.46 | skiburr | o ok |
| 04:18.09 | K`zan | I started downloading it about noon here and I'd still be downloading it from the maemo site... |
| 04:18.23 | skiburr | thanks for the link |
| 04:18.32 | K`zan | np, enjoy! |
| 04:18.37 | Mmm810 | Thanks i can put it on toolbar that way but doesn't keep working, perhaps bug |
| 04:18.41 | skiburr | why don't you download it via torrent? |
| 04:18.45 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:18.47 | K`zan | I did :-) |
| 04:18.52 | skiburr | o ok |
| 04:19.08 | K`zan | Hours ago now :-) Already installed and running. |
| 04:20.48 | doc|home | hmmm, openssh ? |
| 04:20.49 | _Monkey | hmmm... openssh is there hmm. |
| 04:21.01 | *** topic/#maemo by doc|home -> maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 04:21.15 | doc|home | nobody saw me put that there, ok? :o |
| 04:21.28 | Mmm810 | Man no tab key either i hate tapping toolbar hehe |
| 04:24.04 | skiburr | can I flash via windows xp? |
| 04:24.09 | skiburr | or must be linux? |
| 04:24.37 | doc|home | openssh anyone? |
| 04:24.42 | zerojay | Windows is fine as well if you use the Nokia flasher. |
| 04:25.00 | doc|home | ah, nm, found it |
| 04:25.04 | halley | doc|home, openssh is in the maemo extras repo |
| 04:25.08 | doc|home | yup |
| 04:25.14 | doc|home | tks |
| 04:25.34 | halley | My pygame script works. Now to bang it into shape for use. |
| 04:25.38 | *** join/#maemo pumpkin_ (n=pumpkin@c-75-69-129-147.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 04:26.09 | halley | The device is 800x480, but if I don't go fullscreen, what window size should I ask for, to fit nicely in maemo? |
| 04:26.34 | pumpkin_ | I hate scratchbox |
| 04:27.21 | K`zan | Well, that is a bit disappointing, the missing stuff for garnet :-(. |
| 04:27.58 | K`zan | Sigh. |
| 04:30.31 | pumpkin_ | I ****ING HATE SCRATCHBOX |
| 04:30.35 | pumpkin_ | okay, I'm done :) |
| 04:30.42 | skiburr | the win flasher is the 2007 version? |
| 04:31.32 | zerojay | Download the bin file you need, then point the flasher to the bin file. |
| 04:32.10 | skiburr | Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe |
| 04:32.16 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 04:32.22 | skiburr | o ok |
| 04:32.56 | skiburr | 770 version? |
| 04:33.03 | K`zan | I think I may be going back to 2007 again, sigh. |
| 04:33.05 | zerojay | huh? |
| 04:33.08 | skiburr | http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,79636,00.html |
| 04:33.18 | zerojay | K`zan: Why? |
| 04:33.32 | K`zan | Missing libs on stuff I really COULD use... |
| 04:33.48 | K`zan | In this case garnet-vm (palm stuff). |
| 04:34.07 | Prez__ | is anyone booting n800 from SD? |
| 04:34.24 | Prez__ | read it's supposed to be faster, worth it? |
| 04:34.25 | K`zan | Next time I do this, I think there will have to be 150+ apps avail :). |
| 04:34.53 | zerojay | Much rather have 2008 than sitting behind waiting on a few apps that may never be ported. |
| 04:35.09 | Mmm810 | I gather the tablet screens are made with touch by finger in mind, not just stylus. If you add screen protecter does it interfere with tap by finger... |
| 04:35.30 | K`zan | zerojay: Apparently: hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 are not available for this one... |
| 04:35.38 | doc|home | Mmm810: it's bound to :/ |
| 04:35.40 | K`zan | Perhaps I should have downloaded the one for the n810 |
| 04:35.48 | K`zan | Lemme try that. |
| 04:35.51 | zerojay | Eh... |
| 04:36.04 | zerojay | libdbus-1-2 should be part of the firmware already, I believe. |
| 04:36.46 | zerojay | Actually, all of that should be. |
| 04:37.07 | Mmm810 | Ahh okay thanks im new to tablets so still getting used to idea it's actually ok to touch screen |
| 04:37.22 | K`zan | zerojay: Apparently not here :-(. |
| 04:37.32 | zerojay | Let me see what I have installed. |
| 04:37.35 | K`zan | Missing those is why it barfed... |
| 04:37.43 | zerojay | or better yet, where you installed garnet from. |
| 04:38.26 | K`zan | Have to download the deb from them and install from file. |
| 04:38.48 | K`zan | Guess I need to turn on red pill to see the nuts and bolts of what is installed here. |
| 04:38.49 | zerojay | Yes, but which one did you take? |
| 04:38.53 | K`zan | n800 |
| 04:39.02 | K`zan | Going for the n810 one now. |
| 04:39.06 | zerojay | That's probably your error right there. |
| 04:39.51 | K`zan | Got it, will let you know in a sec... |
| 04:42.00 | doc|home | hmmm, I can't seem to ssh into my n800. neither rootme nor the password I set before flashing work |
| 04:43.07 | halley | K`zan, you have an n810? |
| 04:43.45 | K`zan | No, n800 |
| 04:44.21 | K`zan | Seem unable to copy from the system here to the SD card on the n800, wtf?!? |
| 04:44.56 | doc|home | suggestions anynone? |
| 04:45.18 | halley | doc|home, if you reflash, you have no openssh. |
| 04:45.43 | halley | doc|home, if you installed openssh, you may need to reboot? |
| 04:45.48 | doc|home | halley: I've installed it since |
| 04:45.59 | doc|home | hmmm, ok, will try that, although sshd is responding as I'd expet |
| 04:46.16 | halley | Oh, responding but not allowing login? |
| 04:46.30 | Mmm810 | Well on 810 u can get becomeroot here if u need root http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=136#136 |
| 04:46.50 | Prez__ | or set to r&d mode and easy to get to root |
| 04:46.59 | Mmm810 | Rootme didn't work on my 810 |
| 04:47.30 | halley | Has anyone used the maemo cjk support? |
| 04:48.02 | K`zan | zerojay: OK, the n810 one worked on the n800. Safe to assume at this point I want n810 apps and not n800? |
| 04:48.13 | *** join/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=GeneralA@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles) |
| 04:48.27 | halley | wb, GeneralAntilles. |
| 04:48.34 | zerojay | K`zan: Until the final update is out, I would imagine. |
| 04:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, swapping drives around |
| 04:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | Just added another TB |
| 04:49.07 | halley | GeneralAntilles, played with maemoCJK.garage.maemo.org ? |
| 04:49.10 | K`zan | zerojay: OK, thanks. This is kind of confusing ATM :) |
| 04:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, halley. |
| 04:49.25 | doc|home | ok, reboot, still giving me permission denied :/ |
| 04:50.10 | zerojay | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gontacts/ |
| 04:50.15 | zerojay | Might be interesting to some of you. |
| 04:50.20 | halley | doc|home, you are trying to log in as user@ or root@ ? |
| 04:50.20 | skiburr | is OS2008 beta working ok? |
| 04:50.25 | doc|home | halley: root |
| 04:50.33 | Mmm810 | Install Becomeroot changepass? |
| 04:50.38 | halley | doc|home, may not be allowed; try user@ |
| 04:50.56 | halley | doc|home, by default, openssh on other platforms has config that disallows root@ |
| 04:51.06 | doc|home | Mmm810: would rather not install r&d stuff if possible but will remember that as a last resort, thanks |
| 04:51.11 | doc|home | halley: thanks, will try that |
| 04:51.14 | K`zan | This thing may only work with the wincrap version of palm desktop :-(. |
| 04:51.57 | Mmm810 | Openssh allows it by default i installed yesterday had to change to no in config myself |
| 04:52.23 | doc|home | no luck |
| 04:53.03 | |R | halley : I'm installing it for Gjiten right now... damn it's big ;) |
| 04:53.23 | halley | |R, on n810 rom? |
| 04:54.05 | |R | ah uh non... |
| 04:54.08 | |R | n800/2007 |
| 04:54.09 | halley | |R, what repo is Gjiten? |
| 04:54.22 | |R | gjiten.garage.maemo.org |
| 04:55.18 | halley | Yeah, n810 just refused the n800 single-click. |
| 04:56.20 | pumpkin_ | what does it mean when apt-get says 89 not upgraded |
| 04:56.23 | skiburr | Anybody have problems with OS2008 N800? |
| 04:56.25 | pumpkin_ | why isn't it upgrading stuff? |
| 04:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, skiburr. |
| 04:56.48 | |R | halley : of gjiten or cjk ? |
| 04:57.04 | halley | cjk |
| 04:57.06 | skiburr | I just flashed my N800 |
| 04:57.10 | skiburr | looking good |
| 04:57.15 | |R | yeah, well the install references a non existing package |
| 04:57.32 | |R | it tries to install maemo-japanese-support instead of maemo-japanese-support-n800 in my case |
| 04:58.05 | *** join/#maemo rwhitby (n=rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby) |
| 04:58.40 | Mmm810 | Is anyone using claws-mail, is it buggy.. |
| 04:59.09 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:59.20 | pumpkin_ | blah |
| 04:59.26 | K`zan | Great gotta run wincrap to sync garnet. |
| 04:59.28 | K`zan | ARGHHHHH |
| 04:59.33 | pumpkin_ | why is it easier for me to develop on a closed, undocumented platform like the iphone than it is on maemo :( |
| 04:59.52 | pupnik | trollish comment |
| 05:00.02 | pumpkin_ | sorry, but I'm really frustrated with it right now |
| 05:00.17 | K`zan | Welcome to my world pumpkin_ :-), this too shall pass. |
| 05:00.42 | pumpkin_ | :) |
| 05:00.46 | pupnik | pumpkin_: you are unable to apt-get update? |
| 05:00.53 | K`zan | methinketh garnet goes in the crapper, NOTHING is worth running wincrap for. |
| 05:01.18 | pumpkin_ | I'm unable to get libcurl working, which led to me deleting stuff, which led to a load of packages being removed, and so on :) |
| 05:01.29 | pumpkin_ | so I restored my snapshot of my vm |
| 05:01.33 | pupnik | i have a libcurl built |
| 05:01.35 | pupnik | i think |
| 05:01.37 | pumpkin_ | and in doing so lost a day of work |
| 05:01.38 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=unique31@ool-457ae2a6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:01.41 | pumpkin_ | there's a libcurl in apt |
| 05:01.48 | K`zan | No, they just couldn't use the USB port... |
| 05:01.58 | Mmm810 | Thanks hmm maybe ill see if full source for oss-email is available. I want some changes |
| 05:02.00 | K`zan | Growl, snarl, grumble... |
| 05:02.14 | K`zan | Back to having to port jpilot... |
| 05:03.14 | pumpkin_ | what's the point of having both SDK_x86 and SDK_ARMEL? |
| 05:03.36 | pumpkin_ | my main issue was that the libcurl I had installed x86 |
| 05:03.44 | pumpkin_ | and my armel linker refused to touch it |
| 05:04.04 | pumpkin_ | X86 is just for testing locally? |
| 05:04.24 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@host210-136-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 05:04.44 | pupnik | yes |
| 05:04.48 | pupnik | and profiling |
| 05:04.49 | _Monkey | somebody said profiling was generating statistics about how much time a program spends in different routines |
| 05:04.56 | pumpkin_ | yup |
| 05:05.20 | pumpkin_ | *sigh* |
| 05:05.26 | pumpkin_ | ah well, a long night awaits me :P |
| 05:07.11 | doc|home | man, why can't libgdbm just be part of the normal install? :/ |
| 05:07.15 | doc|home | or repo rather |
| 05:09.43 | pumpkin_ | is it just me, or is repository.maemo.org really slow right now? |
| 05:09.49 | pumpkin_ | I'm getting a few kbps out of it :-/ |
| 05:09.54 | milhouse | not just you |
| 05:10.12 | doc|home | *.maemo.org have been kinda sucky today :/ |
| 05:10.13 | milhouse | whole of maemo.org is on a go slow - the servers must be based in France |
| 05:10.33 | milhouse | s/servers/server/ |
| 05:10.37 | milhouse | :) |
| 05:10.56 | doc|home | heh |
| 05:10.59 | pumpkin_ | lol, that bot actually performs the replacement for you? |
| 05:11.11 | milhouse | aye |
| 05:11.12 | pumpkin_ | s/replacement/replace |
| 05:11.17 | pumpkin_ | s/replacement/replace/ |
| 05:11.20 | pumpkin_ | lol |
| 05:11.22 | milhouse | but not if you forget the trailing slash :) |
| 05:11.33 | *** join/#maemo pupnik_ (n=pupnik@dslb-084-059-062-228.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:13.59 | pumpkin_ | :) |
| 05:14.06 | *** join/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=GeneralA@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles) |
| 05:14.09 | pumpkin_ | s/pumpkin_/pumpkin/ |
| 05:14.12 | pumpkin | sweet |
| 05:14.25 | doc|home | lol |
| 05:14.35 | pumpkin | :) |
| 05:14.51 | doc|home | goddamn it, I have an n800! stop asking me if I want to enable ggps |
| 05:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:17.10 | halley | Gee, I'm 50% on the -19 rom download. |
| 05:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | Probably not a worthwhile upgrade, anyway. ;) |
| 05:18.07 | halley | I know, but I have to work through the process once and put down my notes. The instructions all over the web are so scattered! |
| 05:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | For flashing? |
| 05:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's super easy. :\ |
| 05:18.59 | oil | anyone know how to pass gps information to the maemo-mapper from the command line? |
| 05:19.05 | halley | For the whole "box to usable" sequence. |
| 05:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | That's even easier with OS2008 |
| 05:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | Just make a backup and let it do it for you. |
| 05:19.45 | halley | So the new backup will backup stuff like mce.ini? |
| 05:19.55 | halley | Not just ~/ ? |
| 05:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | Not mce.ini |
| 05:20.18 | pumpkin | so I can't seem to get 3.2 upgraded |
| 05:20.24 | halley | See, "box to usable" ;) |
| 05:20.58 | halley | I also have to figure out the Japanese input methods, etc. |
| 05:21.32 | pumpkin | nihongo wa muzukashii |
| 05:22.03 | pumpkin | hanasanai hoo ga ii :P |
| 05:22.39 | halley | Well anyone could do romaji. |
| 05:22.56 | pumpkin | I can do kotoeri on my mac, too |
| 05:23.00 | pumpkin | never tried on the n800 though |
| 05:23.02 | halley | 日本語が欲しいです。 |
| 05:23.39 | pumpkin | :) |
| 05:23.48 | pumpkin | 僕も |
| 05:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | Could wikipedia maybe find a less horrifying picture? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Japanese_keyboards.jpg |
| 05:24.39 | pumpkin | lol |
| 05:24.57 | doc|home | :/ |
| 05:25.01 | unique311 | wtf |
| 05:25.08 | halley | In terms of the bloody scalp bits in the keyboard, or just the keyboard layout itself? |
| 05:25.09 | K`zan | Proibably, but they would have to work at it :) |
| 05:25.11 | astro76 | is that blood? |
| 05:25.16 | unique311 | so it looks like its going to take 5 hours to dl the firmware for the n800 |
| 05:25.27 | unique311 | guess alot of people must be dl it right now |
| 05:25.28 | doc|home | unique311: see topic |
| 05:25.53 | K`zan | unique311: That and the site sucks anyway :-(. |
| 05:26.07 | K`zan | TORRENT! |
| 05:26.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 :P |
| 05:26.12 | unique311 | got it |
| 05:26.17 | halley | Anyway, sleepy time. |
| 05:26.21 | unique311 | so nokia don't mind the torrent? |
| 05:26.26 | doc|home | does mplayer work on the n810? |
| 05:26.46 | doc|home | er, sorry, 2008 |
| 05:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt they know about it. |
| 05:26.50 | halley | unique311, whether they mind or not, the md5sums are listed. |
| 05:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | But if they didn't want people mirroring it, they should probably have a less-shitty server. ;) |
| 05:27.56 | unique311 | don't understand, speed has always been great on the past firmware dls. |
| 05:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | They're getting smashed and their servers suck. :P |
| 05:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly, their servers suck. |
| 05:28.32 | halley | Have we mentioned that their servers suck? |
| 05:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, yeah, and their servers suck. |
| 05:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 05:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's not that hard to put together servers that don't suck. |
| 05:29.08 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 05:29.15 | |R | anyone tried n800-2007 -> n800-2008b video chat? it fails with a friend here... |
| 05:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's as easy as throwing dollars at it until capacity is meets demand. |
| 05:29.17 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 05:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | *-is |
| 05:29.31 | unique311 | mlol |
| 05:29.37 | *** join/#maemo rkaway (n=timj@e176200025.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 05:29.38 | lopz | re |
| 05:30.18 | Prez__ | K`zan: how did restore of settings work with it2008 beta? |
| 05:30.20 | unique311 | GeneralAntilles, u lucky the die hard nokia employees are not in here to defend nokia |
| 05:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's even more baffling that they do their site testing on the live site. :\ |
| 05:31.00 | unique311 | if this update is screwed, i'll just go back to n810's firmware. |
| 05:31.05 | pupnik_ | i figure they're kind of relaxed about it all |
| 05:31.07 | pupnik_ | which i like |
| 05:31.16 | unique311 | both of my cards got picked up on the latest n810 |
| 05:31.17 | pupnik_ | oh server's slow? oh well |
| 05:31.21 | unique311 | so that made me happy |
| 05:31.33 | pupnik_ | you got one? |
| 05:31.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100590&postcount=159 |
| 05:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it doesn't get more authoritative than that. |
| 05:32.19 | *** join/#maemo dolske (n=dolske@c-24-7-115-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | Still, you gotta dig Nokia and maemo, despite their shitty servers. :p |
| 05:32.54 | doc|home | youtube is only jsut watcheable |
| 05:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | Still helps to let it load. |
| 05:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Then it's fine. |
| 05:33.30 | doc|home | so, er, then should we be posting that torrent link to people? |
| 05:33.37 | pumpkin | soooooo |
| 05:33.40 | doc|home | they could have an eula for the .torrent |
| 05:33.46 | |R | haha |
| 05:34.05 | |R | "do you agree to d/l a torrent from thepiratebay.org approved by nokia?" |
| 05:34.05 | *** topic/#maemo by doc|home -> maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html |
| 05:34.07 | |R | that would rock :) |
| 05:34.21 | doc|home | |R: heh, why not? :) |
| 05:34.21 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 05:34.23 | unique311 | so youtube playback on the new beta firmware for the n800 still suck? |
| 05:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | Stop making my job harder. :P |
| 05:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine over here. |
| 05:34.34 | doc|home | unique311: nope, it's watchable |
| 05:34.46 | doc|home | better than it was, skips a little sometimes |
| 05:34.54 | unique311 | watchable, don't like that |
| 05:35.03 | unique311 | is is on the n810's level. |
| 05:35.06 | doc|home | yeah, that's youtube though :) |
| 05:35.23 | pumpkin | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > file /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/libcurl.so.4.0.0 |
| 05:35.32 | pumpkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.35 | unique311 | i already see 2 flashes in my future |
| 05:35.43 | pumpkin | anyone know what to do about that? |
| 05:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | "not stripped" |
| 05:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | May it wants you to run it naked? |
| 05:36.34 | GeneralAntilles | *be |
| 05:36.40 | pumpkin | nah, the fact that it's Intel 80386 and not arm |
| 05:37.23 | unique311 | maybe nokia should have a private tracker, like most linux distro's do for those dvd image downlaods. |
| 05:37.45 | unique311 | and place the torrent link after the eula check. |
| 05:38.10 | unique311 | that would work out, and be completely legal. |
| 05:38.46 | pumpkin | anyone have any idea? |
| 05:39.09 | *** join/#maemo keesj (n=keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl) |
| 05:40.02 | unique311 | anyways just dl that torrent in less than 5 minutes. |
| 05:40.20 | unique311 | much faster than the 5 hours showing on the regular dl |
| 05:40.32 | unique311 | 6* |
| 05:40.36 | pupnik_ | "Ever since I quit running from girls I've understood that the world is a very subjective place." - Texrat |
| 05:40.53 | pumpkin | :( |
| 05:41.06 | pumpkin | my curl libs are the wrong arch |
| 05:41.06 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: yes |
| 05:41.42 | pupnik_ | yeah you want arm stuff in armel sbox target :) |
| 05:41.46 | unique311 | pupnik, you related to pumpkin by any chance? |
| 05:41.53 | unique311 | ;) |
| 05:42.06 | pumpkin | lol |
| 05:42.19 | pupnik_ | surely yes |
| 05:42.20 | pumpkin | pupnik_: how can I get arm stuff in my armel sbox target? :) :) :) |
| 05:42.33 | pumpkin | that underscore at the end of his name |
| 05:42.36 | pumpkin | is my missing m |
| 05:42.37 | pupnik_ | set up a new target with the menu |
| 05:42.39 | pumpkin | and then he's my anagram |
| 05:42.46 | konttori | I'm going to meet some nokia legal (very much related to todays discussion). I will ask whether torrent could be an option in the future. |
| 05:42.48 | unique311 | when i first saw the nick in here. i thought pupnik had a nick change. |
| 05:42.49 | pupnik_ | then install an armel rootstrap and choose your cpu transparency |
| 05:42.53 | Prez__ | anyone restored backup settings from IT2007 into new IT2008? |
| 05:43.18 | pumpkin | what devkits should I put on? |
| 05:43.20 | pupnik_ | konttori: posisbly but then anyone can share the torrent file and bypass the ID check |
| 05:43.31 | unique311 | konttori, it should, especiall if the torrent is hosted after the eula check. |
| 05:43.44 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: i have older one here not 3.x |
| 05:43.48 | unique311 | private trackers. |
| 05:43.50 | pumpkin | ah ok |
| 05:43.51 | konttori | anyone can share it on their ftp site http site or whatnot now. I don't see the difference |
| 05:44.14 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: debian, cputransp |
| 05:44.21 | pumpkin | yeah, done those |
| 05:44.24 | skiburr | hum.. on the beta version, OS2008 can someone access the "Download" page on maemo.org? N800 - OS2008 |
| 05:44.32 | pumpkin | now trying to navigate the curses menu to tell it where to grab the rootstrap |
| 05:44.43 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: then you must have gotten the wrong root filesystem unpacked into it |
| 05:44.50 | unique311 | should be a way to keep people who do the eula check to dl only |
| 05:44.57 | pumpkin | hmm, I just used the 3.1 installer followed by the 3.2 installer |
| 05:45.01 | pumpkin | haven't done anything myself yet |
| 05:45.03 | konttori | I suppose if you don't register to tracker, nokia servers wouldn't send you any packages, so the result should be same legal wise. |
| 05:45.03 | pumpkin | just the automated scripts |
| 05:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | Prez__, yes, works fine. The only stumbling point would be if you've messed with the prefs.js for MicroB. |
| 05:45.43 | unique311 | konttori, they can share it, but certain private trackers don't alllow dl, even if you dl the torrent file. |
| 05:46.10 | konttori | true |
| 05:46.58 | Prez__ | GeneralAntilles: nope, so here I go, time to flash to IT2008 |
| 05:47.43 | pumpkin | pupnik_: the install script claims I don't need to do the rootstrap myself |
| 05:47.46 | pumpkin | but I guess it's wrong |
| 05:47.49 | unique311 | konttori, bring up the money nokia would save on bandwidth cost, they will look into it.. ;) |
| 05:47.51 | pumpkin | or it messed up somehow |
| 05:48.43 | |R | is there something that is known to conflict with rtcomm beta? i just realised that i couldn't hear what the other was saying even though i can hear sounds from the OS and he can hear me... |
| 05:48.50 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: ok i don't think i've used that script - you should be able to set up another target without reinstalling scratchbox |
| 05:49.02 | pumpkin | pupnik_: nope, re-extracted the armel rootstrap |
| 05:49.04 | |R | (it was wokring well 2 weeks ago last time i checked..) |
| 05:49.07 | skiburr | I can't access "Download" page on OS2008. Browser just exits. |
| 05:49.09 | pumpkin | and I still have x86 libcurl :-/ |
| 05:49.15 | skiburr | maemo.org |
| 05:49.47 | oil | konttori: do you take bug reports for ukmp in this channel as well ;) |
| 05:49.51 | pupnik_ | pumpkin: only x86 libcurl? the rest of the libs are armel? |
| 05:49.55 | pumpkin | hmm |
| 05:49.57 | konttori | sure. |
| 05:49.57 | pumpkin | haven't checked |
| 05:50.05 | pumpkin | it's just the one that fails in my make |
| 05:50.24 | konttori | although there is a bugzilla for ukmp in here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=945&group_id=234&func=browse |
| 05:50.57 | oil | konttori: I wrote this one, but to wrong forum. https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=2072&forum_id=905 I guess, I should change it to the bugzilla |
| 05:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, flew out to California and back for Thanksgiving with UKMP. It was a pleasure, thanks. :) |
| 05:51.18 | konttori | hey, if anyone has a fresh install of n800 firmware, could you try to install ukmp: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/ |
| 05:51.37 | konttori | there was a problem with missing dependencies some time ago. |
| 05:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | I believe I had to enable Bora Extras. |
| 05:52.06 | konttori | GeneralAntilles: Good to hear that you enjoyed it. |
| 05:52.43 | konttori | ahh. I had to enable repository.maemo.org (not extras). Ahh.. I'll just then work out the .install to contain the repository.maemo.org. |
| 05:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, actually, it wasn't extras. |
| 05:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | But, Bora, yes. |
| 05:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | libgdbm3, I think. |
| 05:53.37 | konttori | oil: ahh.. you have the depth issue. I recently lowered the depth. I guess I should raise it back to the previous depth. |
| 05:53.59 | konttori | you can do so from the python code easily as well if you are interested in fixing it immediately |
| 05:54.09 | pumpkin | this is effing annoying :( |
| 05:54.18 | oil | konttori: which file? |
| 05:54.22 | konttori | I think that library exists in many places BUT extras ;) |
| 05:54.44 | konttori | just edit /usr/bin/ukmp |
| 05:55.00 | konttori | ahh.. no. edit /usr/bin/MediaCenter.py |
| 05:55.01 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 05:55.34 | oil | ok. ukmp file was kind of a short :) |
| 05:55.57 | Prez__ | flash went well |
| 05:56.21 | doc|home | heeeheeeheee |
| 05:56.29 | oil | ah. there is also the definition of the memory-card used. I'm having normally mmc2 installed and mmc1 missing. |
| 05:56.39 | doc|home | flashing button is a great idea |
| 05:58.07 | skiburr | wow |
| 05:58.15 | skiburr | youtube is much faster |
| 05:58.15 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=unique31@ool-457ae2a6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:58.35 | Prez__ | wow |
| 05:58.42 | Prez__ | IT2008 looks great! |
| 05:58.51 | skiburr | yeah |
| 05:59.30 | doc|home | if I use server.domain.tld:543 for example for outgoing smtp server, is there any reason it shouldn't work (given that the connection works from another computer)? |
| 06:00.01 | Prez__ | facebook still looks screwy... doesn't fit |
| 06:00.15 | konttori | oil: do you have the 1.70 version of ukmp? |
| 06:00.34 | oil | konttori: depth is definen on class songProcessor if (test and depth<5): ? |
| 06:00.41 | konttori | yeah |
| 06:00.42 | oil | konttori: yes. |
| 06:01.22 | konttori | Then just by increasing that to 7 should fix your problem |
| 06:01.25 | skiburr | Prez___ |
| 06:01.41 | oil | konttori: thanks. and done. now testing |
| 06:01.58 | *** join/#maemo Segnale007 (n=donpietr@host222-28-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:02.04 | Prez__ | gmail looks better |
| 06:02.14 | K`zan | Night folks... |
| 06:02.33 | Prez__ | is this thing faster? seems faster |
| 06:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | 'night, K`zan. |
| 06:03.10 | skiburr | Prez___ do me a favor. check if you can view the "Download" page on Maemo.org because on my N800 - OS2008 Beta, it exits. |
| 06:03.34 | Segnale007 | Hi there |
| 06:03.35 | _Monkey | hey, Segnale007 |
| 06:03.37 | skiburr | Browser just exits |
| 06:03.46 | Prez__ | going |
| 06:03.54 | Segnale007 | heya <_Monkey> |
| 06:04.11 | Prez__ | i´m there |
| 06:04.12 | konttori | oil: did it fix the issue you had? |
| 06:04.17 | Prez__ | no crash so far |
| 06:04.34 | skiburr | hum... |
| 06:05.11 | oil | konttori: I need a bit more time to do testing. I have managed to remove all the files on the memorycard. |
| 06:06.05 | konttori | ahh... ok. no probs. |
| 06:06.18 | keesj | bye |
| 06:07.55 | Prez__ | is the n800 supposed to be faster? seems quite a bit snappier.. |
| 06:08.01 | Prez__ | using it2008 |
| 06:09.19 | skiburr | yeah |
| 06:09.26 | skiburr | I noticed it |
| 06:09.38 | skiburr | humm.... my browser still crashing |
| 06:13.55 | doc|home | Prez__: it is faster |
| 06:14.41 | doc|home | the new image supports cpu throttling so they throttle to 190Mhz and then it can bump up to 400Mhz instead of just running at 300 all the time |
| 06:14.43 | doc|home | (iirc) |
| 06:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | 165 and 330 |
| 06:15.18 | _Monkey | 495 |
| 06:15.53 | Segnale007 | I have just pay my new N800 on ebat |
| 06:16.16 | Segnale007 | I have take it in the States |
| 06:16.18 | Prez__ | cool.. |
| 06:16.24 | Segnale007 | pay 220$ |
| 06:16.30 | Segnale007 | it's nothing |
| 06:16.40 | Prez__ | is there an xterm fro IT2008? |
| 06:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | Why, Segnale007? |
| 06:16.46 | Segnale007 | in italy it cost 260? |
| 06:17.00 | Segnale007 | why what ? |
| 06:17.31 | Segnale007 | wht I have take it in States ? |
| 06:17.46 | Segnale007 | because it coast nothing there |
| 06:17.57 | Segnale007 | in Italy cost 260 ? |
| 06:18.06 | Segnale007 | aroud 400$ |
| 06:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Selling? |
| 06:18.12 | Segnale007 | and it is brand now |
| 06:18.15 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 06:18.15 | oil | konttori: ukmp can find now all the files. thanks! |
| 06:18.18 | pumpkin | che dit'ar culo |
| 06:18.29 | Segnale007 | with 1 year of warranty Nokia |
| 06:18.33 | Segnale007 | lol |
| 06:18.41 | Segnale007 | sei italiano ? |
| 06:18.51 | Segnale007 | ops .. |
| 06:19.24 | pumpkin | more or less :) |
| 06:19.41 | Segnale007 | but .. now .. I have to wait around 10 days |
| 06:19.48 | Segnale007 | for get it in Italy |
| 06:19.57 | Segnale007 | it is in Florida right now |
| 06:19.59 | oil | with what speed are you able to download the os2008 and where? I'm getting 3KB/s to Thailand.. it did speedup from 2.5 :) |
| 06:20.16 | Segnale007 | pumpkin |
| 06:20.20 | Segnale007 | I'm Italian |
| 06:20.25 | Segnale007 | but between |
| 06:20.27 | pumpkin | :) |
| 06:20.30 | Segnale007 | 1 month |
| 06:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | oil: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524 |
| 06:20.34 | Segnale007 | I come back to Toronto |
| 06:20.37 | Segnale007 | fuck Italy |
| 06:20.42 | pumpkin | ah :) |
| 06:20.55 | pumpkin | I'm not italian but I've lived in rome most of my life |
| 06:20.59 | Segnale007 | I have lived for 7 months in Toronto |
| 06:21.04 | Segnale007 | :/ |
| 06:21.06 | pumpkin | and as I'm sure you've determined, I'm slightly annoyed |
| 06:21.09 | pumpkin | :P |
| 06:21.16 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 06:21.22 | Segnale007 | I like Canada |
| 06:21.26 | pumpkin | :) |
| 06:21.35 | Segnale007 | and all conuntry in North America |
| 06:21.39 | oil | GeneralAntilles: thanks. I'll try that one (but first need to learn how to download my first torrent :) |
| 06:21.41 | Segnale007 | too States |
| 06:22.52 | [pablo]_ | anyone else unable to watch youtube videos on the latest os2008 for n810? it's telling me that i dont have flash |
| 06:23.17 | Segnale007 | but I think .. the country's in the States is so big for me |
| 06:23.26 | Segnale007 | just I lose myself in Toronto |
| 06:23.29 | Segnale007 | and isn't big |
| 06:26.11 | Prez__ | what repositories do u guys recommend for it2008 on n800? |
| 06:27.13 | Segnale007 | but the default os running on n800 is it2007 ? |
| 06:27.27 | Segnale007 | I don't know more about it .. |
| 06:28.16 | toresbe | Segnale007: IIRC, N800s ship with 2006, actually |
| 06:28.26 | toresbe | (mine did, at least) |
| 06:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | Prez__: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 |
| 06:28.42 | Segnale007 | ah .. I see |
| 06:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, wtf are you talking about, toresbe? |
| 06:29.00 | Segnale007 | ty man .. |
| 06:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 is 770 only. |
| 06:29.12 | Segnale007 | .. |
| 06:29.15 | toresbe | GeneralAntilles: *shrug* I can only tell you what mine shipped with |
| 06:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | N800's currently and have always shipped with OS2007 |
| 06:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me, it didn't ship with OS2006. |
| 06:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 WILL NOT WORK on an N800. |
| 06:29.38 | toresbe | Trust me, it did. |
| 06:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me, it wont work. |
| 06:29.54 | Segnale007 | :/ |
| 06:29.55 | toresbe | Look, it's my bloody N800, I know what it ran. |
| 06:30.03 | Prez__ | GeneralAntilles: thanks... just jabbered link to n800 :-) |
| 06:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you happen to work for Nokia and have access to very early prototypes. |
| 06:30.16 | GeneralAntilles | It ran OS2007 |
| 06:30.34 | toresbe | might have been something internal to Nokia, though, since I got my N800 through my cousin who works there |
| 06:30.36 | milhouse | Comment from Quim about the speed/performance problems today (in case you haven't seen it yet): http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100590&postcount=159 |
| 06:32.04 | Segnale007 | it internal hd is 4gb right ? |
| 06:32.26 | oil | bittorrent does work well. (I always tought it was slow). 200KB/s. nice. |
| 06:32.44 | Segnale007 | it's enough 4gb for ur sw ? |
| 06:32.56 | Segnale007 | *OS |
| 06:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | There aren't any internal HDs in Internet Tablet devices, Segnale007. |
| 06:33.03 | |R | anyone had rtcomm not being able to play sound comming from the other end? |
| 06:33.14 | Segnale007 | ah |
| 06:33.34 | skiburr | Am I the only one that has Browser crashing on "Download" page on Maemo.org? N800 - OS2008 |
| 06:33.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's a NAT issue, |R. |
| 06:34.21 | |R | GeneralAntilles : well, it worked before through nat... but even now i do n800 -> local gw asterisk -> local sip phone and it's the same :( |
| 06:34.45 | |R | maybe i'm crazy uhm... |
| 06:36.41 | milhouse | skiburr - did you restore your backup from OS2007? |
| 06:36.42 | |R | no known conflicts were ever found between rtcomm and some other application? |
| 06:36.46 | skiburr | flashing and not restoring 2007 to 2008 settings |
| 06:36.53 | skiburr | yes |
| 06:36.58 | skiburr | rechecking |
| 06:37.00 | skiburr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe Gizmo or Skype, |R. |
| 06:37.50 | milhouse | Someone on IIT is saying they had the same problem when they restored their OS2007 backup - they suggest not restoring your backup |
| 06:38.02 | milhouse | Here's their post: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100607&postcount=162 |
| 06:38.25 | milhouse | Might be an idea to open a bug and attach your backup... |
| 06:38.45 | *** join/#maemo doublec (n=doublec@203-211-90-89.ue.woosh.co.nz) |
| 06:39.09 | Prez__ | love this IT2008, seems like a big step up from IT2007... |
| 06:39.23 | Prez__ | look/feel plus speed.. |
| 06:40.09 | Segnale007 | how have u upgrade it OS ? |
| 06:40.25 | Segnale007 | have u some link about ? |
| 06:41.43 | skiburr | noce |
| 06:41.46 | skiburr | nice |
| 06:41.54 | skiburr | Milhouse, it works fine now |
| 06:41.57 | skiburr | :) |
| 06:42.30 | skiburr | hum... That is going to be a big problem for users that have many changes they wish to restore on OS2008 |
| 06:43.23 | unique311 | skype is available...cool |
| 06:43.31 | Segnale007 | :) |
| 06:43.37 | unique311 | scratch that ,ol |
| 06:43.40 | unique311 | lol |
| 06:45.05 | unique311 | no skype for 2008 yet? |
| 06:45.38 | Prez__ | is mplayer out for it2008? |
| 06:46.10 | milhouse | yes - check garage |
| 06:46.18 | milhouse | @prez__ |
| 06:46.29 | milhouse | unique311 - yes... :) |
| 06:46.31 | Segnale007 | it working good with wpa2 ? |
| 06:46.45 | Prez__ | thanks |
| 06:46.53 | unique311 | so what am i doing wrong. |
| 06:46.58 | unique311 | it won't install. |
| 06:47.13 | unique311 | and its not telling me why in the app manager |
| 06:47.21 | unique311 | but i didn't try command line. |
| 06:47.29 | unique311 | let me try that and then complain |
| 06:47.35 | unique311 | sorry for being impatient |
| 06:47.46 | milhouse | which version N800 OS2008 or N810 OS2008? |
| 06:47.55 | unique311 | n800 |
| 06:48.01 | milhouse | it doesn't install on N800 OS2008 - Skype do a brain dead version check and get it wrong |
| 06:48.12 | unique311 | ok |
| 06:48.12 | milhouse | installs fine on N810 OS2008 on N800 |
| 06:48.34 | unique311 | i just flashed the beta |
| 06:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | The version check is broken |
| 06:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | it checks the build number and ignores the build week. |
| 06:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | as 1 < 19 |
| 06:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | It wont install |
| 06:49.53 | milhouse | nah, doesn't work because Skype check the build week and build number, and have some code like "don't install if <build-week> lt 42 or <build-num> lt 19" and it's the last bit that's not very clever (-4 being less than 19)... :) |
| 06:50.20 | unique311 | so just wait, for a fix |
| 06:50.35 | milhouse | report it in the Skype defect tracking system :) |
| 06:50.46 | milhouse | (just for a laugh, that's all it's good for) ;) |
| 06:50.54 | GeneralAntilles | What ever, it's broken. :P |
| 06:50.54 | unique311 | do a dpkg install |
| 06:51.02 | unique311 | should work? |
| 06:51.27 | milhouse | might do - think it was suggested on itt but can't recall if it worked or not |
| 06:51.32 | unique311 | k |
| 06:51.48 | milhouse | anyway... it's the same Skype as on OS2007 so unless you desperately need it you ain't missing much |
| 06:52.42 | toresbe | what is actually new with OS2007 anyway? |
| 06:52.45 | unique311 | i purchased that unlimited 3 month deal |
| 06:52.49 | toresbe | Apart from a superficial makeover? |
| 06:52.50 | unique311 | so it would come in handy. |
| 06:52.57 | unique311 | but i'll just use gizmo |
| 06:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008, you mean, toresbe? |
| 06:53.55 | toresbe | uh, yeah, heh |
| 06:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | A whole big heaping shitload. :) |
| 06:54.16 | toresbe | is there a site saying what somewhere? |
| 06:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's on maemo.org |
| 06:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | Google it. |
| 06:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | Or I'll google it for you. http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html |
| 06:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly there. |
| 06:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | The big stuff, anyway. |
| 06:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically the biggest overall of ITOS yet. |
| 06:57.55 | toresbe | GeneralAntilles: anything visible to the user? |
| 06:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | A ton. |
| 06:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't a single part of the system that hasn't been upgraded in some manner. |
| 06:58.57 | toresbe | GeneralAntilles: i mean, anything visible to the user as a new feature? |
| 06:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, a shitton. |
| 06:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | As I've already said a number of times. :) |
| 06:59.54 | toresbe | like? :) |
| 07:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | Install it and find out? |
| 07:00.36 | toresbe | I gave it a cursory glance and apart from the apps launcher couldn't really find anything |
| 07:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | Whole new desktop arrangement, shiny new app manager, much improved SIP and Jabber, new Map application, new Media player, final release of MicroB. |
| 07:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | There's a ton |
| 07:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | Did you install it? |
| 07:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | Also, the ability to clock to 400MHz under load. |
| 07:03.00 | toresbe | admittedly didn't test the media player |
| 07:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Like I've said, there's pretty much nothing that hasn't been updated and improved. |
| 07:03.31 | toresbe | contacts, my pet peeve :) |
| 07:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | What's the problem there? |
| 07:04.00 | toresbe | I had been running osso-rtcomm-beta, so... :) |
| 07:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | They work great for me. |
| 07:04.10 | toresbe | GeneralAntilles: I want the ability to store information like address |
| 07:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | Try GPE? |
| 07:05.21 | toresbe | I don't want to have to use third-party applications with incompatible address lists to store a home address.. :) |
| 07:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | So you downgraded to OS2007? |
| 07:06.09 | toresbe | nah, I'm not a terribly active user of my N800 |
| 07:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | How is the world could you not be? |
| 07:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | The NIT have been the greatest mobile devices I've ever owned. |
| 07:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | *+s |
| 07:07.06 | toresbe | well, it lacks elementary PDA functionality |
| 07:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | There's always the Garnet emulator |
| 07:07.31 | toresbe | Garnet emulator? |
| 07:07.33 | Prez__ | someone said garage had mplayer for n800/it2008? just tried to install latest .18 mplayer, got failed deps, hildon, dbus |
| 07:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | I don't need PDA functionality, so that's never bothered me. |
| 07:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | You need to add the Maemo Chinook devel repo. |
| 07:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ |
| 07:08.18 | truls | Most essential pda functionality i need is a todo |
| 07:08.27 | truls | but right now i just use a bullet-list in notes |
| 07:08.37 | toresbe | oh, a Trondheimite. Howdy. |
| 07:08.42 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (n=geaaru@host146-8-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | Try duemonday, truls? |
| 07:09.07 | truls | GeneralAntilles: no, it's good? |
| 07:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | Seemed ok when I glanced over it. |
| 07:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | alterego is also working on a Ruby todo app |
| 07:09.27 | _Monkey | okay, GeneralAntilles. |
| 07:09.28 | truls | i tried gpe, but didn't fit my usage |
| 07:09.38 | truls | i might just port my own todo-app |
| 07:09.40 | GeneralAntilles | GPE has a bit of feature bloat. |
| 07:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | Talk to alterego about his if you see him about |
| 07:09.55 | GeneralAntilles | it's looking quite nice. |
| 07:10.03 | truls | ok |
| 07:10.15 | truls | i might try making a linkable todo-thing |
| 07:10.31 | truls | allowing a primary todo together with todo's for each "project" |
| 07:10.45 | truls | and you can link in stuff from projects to your main todo-list |
| 07:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | Might be better talking to alterego about it as a feature, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. :) |
| 07:11.16 | truls | having a list of entries isn't really reinventing the wheel though :) |
| 07:11.23 | truls | a todo-list is pretty basic |
| 07:11.37 | keesj | truls did you looks a maemopad+++++ |
| 07:11.55 | truls | yeah |
| 07:12.10 | keesj | I would like some mindmap stuff |
| 07:12.27 | truls | too many gripes with maemopad |
| 07:12.31 | truls | + |
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| 07:13.24 | truls | you always have to have the root node, you can't rename nodes, deleting is kinda buggy, can't reorganize structure... |
| 07:13.27 | truls | etc. |
| 07:13.42 | keesj | yes, I understand |
| 07:14.13 | truls | i like the concept of it though |
| 07:14.35 | truls | right now i try to organize stuff a bit in the GettingThingsDone-way.... |
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| 07:15.13 | truls | one directory for active Projects, one for Archive, one for Tickler (future stuff) |
| 07:15.43 | truls | inside there you either have a text-file for a project, or a directory if the project warrants it |
| 07:15.56 | truls | and projects can be moved between those three locations |
| 07:16.34 | truls | in addition you have a list of current TODO-items and current Waiting-items, for stuff you are waiting for someone else's feedback/action etc. |
| 07:16.59 | truls | so if I can link in items from the TODO of a specific project into the current TODO, i'm pretty much set ;) |
| 07:17.04 | [pablo]_ | anyone else unable to watch youtube videos on the latest os2008 for n810? it's telling me that i dont have flash |
| 07:20.23 | Matt-W | whoa |
| 07:20.29 | Matt-W | I just flashed my n800 with os2008 |
| 07:20.31 | Matt-W | it's pretty! |
| 07:20.52 | timelyx | it's a beta |
| 07:21.02 | Matt-W | I know |
| 07:21.06 | Matt-W | It's still pretty |
| 07:21.18 | VRe | Does somebody know what to do to get the menu smaller? |
| 07:21.47 | timelyx | people are idiots |
| 07:22.46 | Prez__ | with the cpu throttling on it2008 on n800, should battery last longer? |
| 07:23.25 | timelyx | under what conditions? |
| 07:23.38 | timelyx | if the device manages to stay in a *lower* speed than normal, maybe |
| 07:24.01 | Prez__ | timelyx: yes, assuming it is idling... |
| 07:24.19 | timelyx | maybe :), but i'm a browser dev, i wouldn't know :) |
| 07:24.55 | Prez__ | and I agree with Matt-W, IT2008 is pretty on n800, very nice... |
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| 07:27.59 | [pablo]_ | can someone try youtube on thier tablet and tell me if it works? |
| 07:28.12 | timelyx | define youtube |
| 07:28.29 | timelyx | flash-camera doesn't, that's a reported bug, you could find it yourself by searching bugs.maemo.org |
| 07:28.34 | timelyx | playback generally does work |
| 07:31.46 | [pablo]_ | watching videos |
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| 07:36.07 | lopz | bye |
| 07:37.26 | [pablo]_ | timelyx: here look http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2067564421/ |
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| 07:40.22 | timelyx | see the magnifying glass in the bottom right of the screen? |
| 07:40.26 | timelyx | click it, click components |
| 07:40.31 | timelyx | is flash checked? |
| 07:43.02 | oil | with linux flasher it's possible to toggle between usb-host and usb-client modes. is it possible to do with command line on the n800 as well? |
| 07:43.03 | [pablo]_ | it wasn't, weird, thank you. perhaps it was the reflash |
| 07:43.13 | timelyx | doubtful |
| 07:43.37 | timelyx | thanks for playing, do figure out how to break the picture so people don't reach the conclusion you had |
| 07:43.41 | timelyx | perhaps that site allows comments? |
| 07:44.00 | timelyx | note: per spec, when we run out of memory, we're not allowed to tell the user |
| 07:44.13 | timelyx | but we are required to react (including disabling things, like js and flash) |
| 07:44.30 | timelyx | if you don't think that's fun, you're annoying :) |
| 07:45.27 | [pablo]_ | umm ok. why be so rude? |
| 07:45.48 | timelyx | which part of that is rude? |
| 07:46.06 | timelyx | personally, i deal with lots of "users" all of which make rude and annoying statements |
| 07:46.08 | timelyx | "x is broken" |
| 07:46.23 | timelyx | when in fact, on average "x is working as [poorly] designed" |
| 07:46.26 | timelyx | it's not my fault. |
| 07:46.36 | timelyx | but you can't think i'm happy hearing people whine that "x is broken" |
| 07:46.54 | timelyx | they don't say "could someone please help me get X to do Y at site Z" |
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| 07:47.08 | timelyx | they also clearly don't read the help |
| 07:47.22 | timelyx | (there's not much help, but there's enough help to document enabling and disabling plugins) |
| 07:47.30 | timelyx | (and yes, i've read it and complained about it) |
| 07:47.35 | timelyx | (and no, you haven't.) |
| 07:47.50 | [pablo]_ | it seemed pretty condescending, i've owned a tablet for all of 4 days and have been learning as much as i can |
| 07:48.09 | timelyx | which part? |
| 07:49.16 | [pablo]_ | "i hate users" .. "thanks for playing" .. implying i'm annoying for asking a question |
| 07:49.33 | timelyx | oh, only that part? |
| 07:49.48 | [pablo]_ | whatever |
| 07:50.01 | [pablo]_ | thanks for the help |
| 07:50.22 | timelyx | the thanks for playing is meant in a friendly manner |
| 07:50.26 | timelyx | it's thanks for playing along |
| 07:50.36 | vegai | developing on maemo is rather irritating, I understand timelyx's sentiments pretty well |
| 07:50.40 | timelyx | (following a set of steps for which you have no idea what they'd do) |
| 07:50.56 | timelyx | for all you know, i could be giving you instructions to reformat your device |
| 07:51.04 | timelyx | there's a significant amount of trust that you're giving |
| 07:51.07 | vegai | I don't know if any other mobile platform is any better, though. |
| 07:51.22 | timelyx | i suspect palm is better |
| 07:51.24 | vegai | Palm seemed nice |
| 07:51.26 | timelyx | they're more serious (business users) |
| 07:51.27 | vegai | heh. |
| 07:51.40 | [pablo]_ | i'm not a typical user, i would know better than that i would hope |
| 07:51.54 | timelyx | [pablo]_: our device is "quirky" at best |
| 07:52.08 | timelyx | there could *easily* be a bug in browser that causes your device to brick, or reformat |
| 07:52.09 | timelyx | or... |
| 07:53.10 | [pablo]_ | yes i'm aware of that, but i think i would have run into that as much as i have read |
| 07:54.31 | mariorz | as long as im on topic is there a way to get flash 9 to work in os 2007? |
| 07:54.40 | timelyx | sure |
| 07:54.46 | timelyx | the most recent version includes it |
| 07:54.49 | timelyx | just flash to it |
| 07:54.56 | timelyx | that's 3.2 aka -- no clue actually |
| 07:55.03 | timelyx | or 3.2 w/ the mmc fix |
| 07:55.16 | mariorz | how can i check what verion im running? |
| 07:55.23 | mariorz | just flashed like 2 weeks ago? |
| 07:55.25 | mariorz | -? |
| 07:55.25 | _Monkey | well, - is there any reason why elf executables from os2006 would absolutely refuse to run on os 2005? |
| 07:55.35 | milhouse | seems like restoring an os2007 backup causes browser instability in os2008... fingers crossed someone is about to file a bug with a backup for an attachment. :) |
| 07:55.38 | timelyx | file:///etc/osso_software_version |
| 07:55.41 | timelyx | in your browser should work |
| 07:55.51 | mariorz | thx |
| 07:55.55 | timelyx | milhouse: we have internal bugs, yes, please file |
| 07:56.09 | milhouse | timelyx: i owe you an email reply :) |
| 07:56.13 | pumpkin | timelyx: have a moment for help? |
| 07:56.22 | timelyx | yeah, but one of you owes me some help too |
| 07:56.40 | milhouse | hope it's not me :D |
| 07:56.53 | timelyx | milhouse: what's your email name? :) |
| 07:56.55 | milhouse | fck is my brother on this channel??? |
| 07:56.59 | pumpkin | lol |
| 07:57.00 | timelyx | heh |
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| 07:57.00 | milhouse | neil macleod |
| 07:57.05 | timelyx | yeah, not you :) |
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| 07:57.14 | pumpkin | timelyx: so I'm trying to compile my program that uses libcurl |
| 07:57.15 | milhouse | hurrah! need sleep... |
| 07:57.22 | pumpkin | I need it on the n800, so I'm compiling it for armel |
| 07:57.31 | pumpkin | but the libcurl on scratchbox |
| 07:57.42 | pumpkin | regardless of whether I'm on armel target, is compiled for intel |
| 07:57.47 | timelyx | heh |
| 07:57.50 | mariorz | err sorry i meant for os2007 HE |
| 07:57.57 | timelyx | um, i'd suggest you look into proper cross compilng |
| 07:58.03 | timelyx | or alternatively, use --target= |
| 07:58.05 | timelyx | for configure |
| 07:58.09 | timelyx | instead of relying on autoconf |
| 07:58.26 | pumpkin | oh, the compiler and linker are fine |
| 07:58.27 | timelyx | depending on how a build system works, it can do the target detection on the wrong side of scratchbox |
| 07:58.38 | pumpkin | it's not a build system, it's my own program |
| 07:58.51 | pumpkin | all I'm using is curl-config --libs |
| 07:58.54 | pumpkin | which returns the path to the libs |
| 07:59.03 | pumpkin | it's returning a path in /scratchbox |
| 07:59.11 | timelyx | ah yes |
| 07:59.15 | pumpkin | but if I run file on the libs, it's for x86 |
| 07:59.15 | timelyx | right, um |
| 07:59.21 | timelyx | right |
| 07:59.28 | timelyx | do which curl-config |
| 07:59.41 | timelyx | go to the non scratchbox side and move that out of the way |
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| 07:59.59 | pumpkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.01 | timelyx | having a curl-config in path seems kinda stupid |
| 08:00.01 | pumpkin | that's what it is now |
| 08:00.08 | timelyx | move that out of the way :) |
| 08:00.12 | pumpkin | ok |
| 08:00.21 | timelyx | mv /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config.stupid |
| 08:00.33 | timelyx | or .broken or .intel whatever |
| 08:00.54 | pumpkin | so now it's /usr/bin/curl-config |
| 08:01.01 | timelyx | [pablo]_: sorry, if you don't think that polluting an armel env path with an intel script is stupid, ... |
| 08:01.12 | pumpkin | he's pming you? |
| 08:01.15 | timelyx | no |
| 08:01.32 | pumpkin | omg |
| 08:01.35 | pumpkin | it works :) |
| 08:01.40 | pumpkin | is this chrooted? |
| 08:01.41 | [pablo]_ | huh? |
| 08:01.42 | timelyx | file a bug against the sdk |
| 08:01.48 | timelyx | that sounds broken |
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| 08:02.02 | pumpkin | I'm not even positive I'm on 3.2 |
| 08:02.12 | pumpkin | it's a pain to install |
| 08:02.24 | pumpkin | I had a nice installation then dumbly reverted my vm to a snapshot |
| 08:02.26 | pumpkin | and lost all my stuff |
| 08:02.28 | timelyx | pumpkin: create a new test sdk install before filing :) |
| 08:02.38 | pumpkin | timelyx: this is completely clean |
| 08:02.39 | timelyx | but it sure sounds like a bug |
| 08:02.43 | pumpkin | I've redone the whole thing several times |
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| 08:02.58 | timelyx | ok, file, be sure to include the url from which you got the installer and the steps you used to get the installer |
| 08:03.12 | timelyx | include the output of which curl-config and the output of curl-config --libs |
| 08:03.17 | pumpkin | okay |
| 08:03.24 | timelyx | s/get the/run the/ |
| 08:03.26 | pumpkin | I'll do that when I don't have a big project to compile |
| 08:03.27 | pumpkin | :) |
| 08:03.32 | pumpkin | but that gets me past this hump, thanks |
| 08:03.33 | timelyx | gah |
| 08:03.35 | timelyx | file early |
| 08:03.50 | pumpkin | I have a deadline tomorrow :-/ |
| 08:03.51 | timelyx | the longer you wait the more unfortunate souls get stuck w/ the same incromprehensible bugs |
| 08:03.53 | pumpkin | and it's 3 am |
| 08:03.54 | pumpkin | :P |
| 08:03.58 | timelyx | .... |
| 08:04.04 | pumpkin | yeah, same |
| 08:04.15 | pumpkin | but I promise I'll file tomorrow after I'm done |
| 08:04.18 | pumpkin | :) |
| 08:04.28 | timelyx | you're on the record, this channel is logged :) |
| 08:04.32 | pumpkin | yup |
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| 08:09.38 | timelyx | [pablo]_: http://www.mozilla.org/developer/#builds |
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| 08:10.51 | timelyx | actually, that only has part of it |
| 08:11.06 | timelyx | http://web.archive.org/web/20000229124052/www.mozilla.org/binaries.html |
| 08:11.09 | timelyx | has the full version |
| 08:11.21 | timelyx | It is very important that you understand that these binaries are not complete programs. They might crash on startup. They might delete all your files and cause your computer to burst into flames. |
| 08:11.42 | pumpkin | lol |
| 08:12.27 | timelyx | fwiw, we actually did *ship* versions that would delete all your files :) |
| 08:12.40 | timelyx | i can't remember if that notice was still live by the time that happens |
| 08:12.44 | timelyx | s/s$/ed/ |
| 08:12.52 | timelyx | i suspect the notice was unfortunately replaced w/ the tamer one |
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| 08:13.12 | timelyx | Mozilla might crash on startup. It might delete all your files and cause your computer to burst into flames. |
| 08:13.22 | timelyx | but thankfully, that notice is sufficient. |
| 08:13.44 | gomiam | timelyx: at least it won't mistakenly start a nuclear war, right? :-D |
| 08:13.44 | [pablo]_ | timelyx: what's that link for? |
| 08:13.59 | timelyx | gomiam: sadly, i don't think we have the proper disclaimer for that |
| 08:14.25 | gomiam | ah, then it's a feature, not a bug, |
| 08:14.50 | timelyx | http://www.netbeans.info/downloads/licence/ide-5.5.1-fcs-2007-05-24-sla.txt |
| 08:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | timelyx, any words on the proper usage of Target Milestone? |
| 08:15.03 | timelyx | . (j) |
| 08:15.03 | timelyx | Software is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, |
| 08:15.03 | timelyx | construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility |
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| 08:15.40 | timelyx | gomiam: as you can see, sun properly covers the nuclear cases |
| 08:16.00 | timelyx | and in java's case it merely says, you shouldn't let java start a nuclear war |
| 08:16.03 | timelyx | it doesn't say that it won't |
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| 08:16.41 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: if the bug is resolved fixed, pick the smallest version in which it's fixed |
| 08:17.01 | timelyx | if the bug is something you're working on and you can predict better than Next/Future, fill it in |
| 08:17.05 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: is that sufficient ? |
| 08:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yessir, thankee. :) |
| 08:17.35 | timelyx | thanks for asking |
| 08:17.43 | timelyx | and especially thanks for doing the bookkeeping |
| 08:18.13 | timelyx | [pablo]_: i do have a sense of humor, it's just quite pained |
| 08:18.31 | timelyx | it's not entirely users' faults |
| 08:18.57 | timelyx | blame can be distributed among most sectors, and fairly evenly |
| 08:19.09 | [pablo]_ | heh |
| 08:19.15 | timelyx | but usually devs will sympathize with me |
| 08:19.25 | gomiam | timelyx: of course Sun would put that. The Sun is a nuclear engine, so people might be misled. |
| 08:19.28 | timelyx | and the more you get to know me, the more you will sympathize |
| 08:19.39 | timelyx | gomiam =) |
| 08:19.40 | gomiam | s/engine/reaction/ |
| 08:20.08 | pumpkin | ID ftw |
| 08:20.09 | pumpkin | ;) |
| 08:20.25 | timelyx | id? |
| 08:20.30 | pumpkin | "intelligent design" |
| 08:20.41 | timelyx | not duke nukem? |
| 08:21.12 | gomiam | intelligent design? That is when you think about all the corner cases before starting to code, right? |
| 08:21.17 | pumpkin | :P |
| 08:21.20 | pumpkin | I wish |
| 08:21.37 | timelyx | intelligent design is where you consider all cases and decide not to implement |
| 08:21.44 | timelyx | because you recognize all the disasters that would happen |
| 08:21.49 | gomiam | XD |
| 08:22.15 | gomiam | that's lazy design: "corner cases? We don't need no stinkin' corner cases, we have exceptions for that!" |
| 08:22.41 | timelyx | btw, in case people are curious, i'm leaving that lesson learned for _Monkey |
| 08:22.45 | timelyx | i hope no one truly objects |
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| 08:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | I object! |
| 08:27.38 | gomiam | I subject! |
| 08:27.39 | timelyx | } catch (e instanceof fit) { /* ignore it */ } |
| 08:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:28.33 | gomiam | XD |
| 08:28.51 | timelyx | gomiam: 2> /dev/null :) |
| 08:29.06 | gomiam | XD |
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| 08:30.28 | GeneralAntilles | I wish bugzilla had an overview page. |
| 08:30.40 | timelyx | hrm, who reported 2398? |
| 08:30.44 | timelyx | they didn't fill in the URL field |
| 08:30.54 | timelyx | which is kinda sad |
| 08:31.06 | timelyx | btw: to all |
| 08:31.12 | timelyx | REPRODUCIBILITY: |
| 08:31.13 | timelyx | (always/sometimes/once)Always |
| 08:31.21 | timelyx | you're supposed to remove the parenthetical :) |
| 08:31.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 08:31.27 | timelyx | it's a suggestion... |
| 08:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | Damn users! |
| 08:31.54 | timelyx | what kind of overview? |
| 08:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | All bugs |
| 08:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | 50-100 per page |
| 08:32.11 | timelyx | there are 2400 |
| 08:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | columns sortable |
| 08:32.19 | timelyx | you can easily get most of them |
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| 08:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I created a search. |
| 08:35.13 | timelyx | you also can click on one column to sort |
| 08:35.22 | timelyx | and technically if you're feeling clever, there's a way to sort by more than one |
| 08:37.02 | doc|home | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/lithiumionbatteryusage/ <- is that accurate? |
| 08:38.09 | timelyx | most likely anyone who knows would have a lawyer who would object to commenting |
| 08:38.10 | astro76 | doc|home, yes absolutely |
| 08:38.24 | astro76 | I'm an engineer, f the lawyers :p |
| 08:38.31 | doc|home | so it's actually best to keep it charged? |
| 08:38.36 | doc|home | i.e. while using it |
| 08:38.37 | astro76 | doc|home, yes as much as possible |
| 08:38.50 | timelyx | note that there's a funny tradeoff |
| 08:38.53 | doc|home | nice! :) I'd been trying to limit charging |
| 08:39.10 | timelyx | the user guide for 2008 probably says something about not keeping the charger constantly plugged in |
| 08:39.23 | timelyx | because the environmentalists or maybe uk gov complain you're wasting power |
| 08:39.27 | astro76 | doc|home, basically try not to deeply discharge them, and not to get them hot |
| 08:39.37 | doc|home | timelyx: any more than if I just used battery power? |
| 08:39.50 | doc|home | hmmm, it charges pretty warm |
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| 08:40.17 | timelyx | doc|home: my understanding is that you're spending power while the charger is plugged into a socket, whether or not there's a device corded |
| 08:40.21 | timelyx | and they don't like that |
| 08:40.34 | astro76 | I wonder what is worse environmentally, leakage current on chargers, or extra Lion in landfills |
| 08:40.37 | timelyx | similarly, if the device is fully charged and the charger is plugged into the socket and device |
| 08:40.44 | timelyx | you're still wasting power at the charger |
| 08:40.46 | doc|home | ah, right |
| 08:40.58 | timelyx | note: i'm not a lawyer, nor am i really an environmentalist |
| 08:41.13 | timelyx | but i did get to sit in on the change review for the "please unplug" message that came w/ 2008 |
| 08:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | So, really, the best plan is to just kill yourself right now and stop destroying the planet. :) |
| 08:41.24 | timelyx | we didn't add it just because we like more chances for typos |
| 08:41.41 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: want to add that? |
| 08:41.44 | timelyx | note: i don't think we added any typos there either, but hey... all changes incur some risk |
| 08:42.06 | doc|home | hmmm, user manual, must read that :) |
| 08:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get where an OS gets off telling me how to use my electricity. :P |
| 08:42.35 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the os doesn't get it either |
| 08:42.35 | doc|home | hey, there has to be some give and take :) |
| 08:42.53 | timelyx | it's some government lawyer/legistlator who went off and told some company |
| 08:42.59 | timelyx | who told some engineer, who added it |
| 08:43.33 | timelyx | as for the trade off at the landfill... dunno. most likely this stuff hasn't been properly studied |
| 08:43.42 | timelyx | i offer the effort to change DST |
| 08:43.52 | timelyx | someone thought it looked good on paper |
| 08:43.55 | doc|home | there are facilities for battery disposal |
| 08:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | How many people actually use them? |
| 08:44.22 | astro76 | well really you want people to unplug chargers when it is *not* powering a device... and the device can't warn about that |
| 08:44.29 | doc|home | 4132 per 100,000 |
| 08:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | I say we change the notice to "And remember to recycle your batteries!" |
| 08:44.35 | timelyx | astro76: right |
| 08:44.45 | timelyx | the info banner tries to be clear about where to unplug |
| 08:44.55 | timelyx | and the quick start and user guide also try |
| 08:45.01 | timelyx | not sure how good the English/translations are |
| 08:45.03 | timelyx | but they exist |
| 08:45.33 | doc|home | so, any reason why, given that, they didn't usb power the n8x0? :/ |
| 08:45.56 | doc|home | that |
| 08:45.58 | doc|home | bah |
| 08:46.08 | timelyx | hey, i misspelled once in my latest bug comment |
| 08:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | Slow charging? |
| 08:46.16 | doc|home | that's probably my one niggle, the battery life is shortish so you need to carry a charger |
| 08:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | More complicated circuitry? |
| 08:46.22 | timelyx | the vendor group making the tablets mostly reuses parts from other mobile phones |
| 08:46.35 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: I've got usb charging in my mobile |
| 08:46.35 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: it's actually fairly trivial from what i've seen/heard |
| 08:46.49 | doc|home | and the mobile is far thinner than the n800 |
| 08:47.11 | timelyx | my belief is that usb charging wasn't yet in the cards for the components they were offered when the design was frozen |
| 08:47.21 | doc|home | fair enough |
| 08:47.27 | timelyx | no idea if/when that might change |
| 08:47.47 | timelyx | for the n810, the big change was adding proper usb otg |
| 08:48.17 | timelyx | not sure how engineering effort can be split, but my guess is the people who could do usb otg would also be the people who could do usb pwr |
| 08:48.33 | timelyx | so it's also possible that they ran out of engineering resources :) |
| 08:48.33 | doc|home | otg? |
| 08:48.41 | timelyx | (this is 100% speculation) |
| 08:48.48 | timelyx | google |
| 08:48.48 | _Monkey | well, google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 08:49.00 | timelyx | feel free to teach monkey when you're done :) |
| 08:49.11 | timelyx | nothing wrong w/ it having a proper answer for that one :) |
| 08:49.16 | doc|home | sure, if you'll tell me how :) |
| 08:49.26 | doc|home | usb.org-- |
| 08:49.31 | timelyx | foo .i.s. bar |
| 08:49.35 | timelyx | it'll learn foo |
| 08:49.39 | doc|home | ok |
| 08:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm . . . softpower off seems to have stopped working under the N800 OS2008 beta. :\ |
| 08:52.05 | timelyx | that's kinda surprising |
| 08:52.14 | timelyx | do you get the power menu? |
| 08:52.30 | timelyx | i.e. please explain steps/expected results |
| 08:52.32 | gomiam | erm... what is the current 2008 for N800 version? |
| 08:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | Let me test it a second. |
| 08:52.39 | timelyx | 44-4 "beta" |
| 08:52.43 | gomiam | Is it a production version? a beta? |
| 08:52.49 | doc|home | otg is a supplement to the USB 2.0 specification which allows USB devices to be hosts as well as slaves, controlling power, data and master/slave negotiation |
| 08:52.50 | timelyx | it's a beta |
| 08:52.55 | doc|home | otg? |
| 08:52.56 | _Monkey | otg is a supplement to the USB 2.0 specification which allows USB devices to be hosts as well as slaves, controlling power, data and master/slave negotiation |
| 08:53.00 | timelyx | :) |
| 08:53.03 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | OK, longpress turns off the screen |
| 08:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | but the touchscreen is still active, and any taps will reactivate the screen |
| 08:53.29 | doc|home | hmmm, mine switched off fine |
| 08:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | a shortpress will NOT bring up the power menu at this point |
| 08:53.38 | *** join/#maemo Xtrophy (n=Pain@85.103.72.52) |
| 08:53.42 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: what's running? |
| 08:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | another longpress to bring it back out of the broken soft poweroff with allow the menu to function again |
| 08:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | browser only |
| 08:54.04 | Xtrophy | sweet to see many ppl intrested with it :P |
| 08:54.25 | doc|home | we're the nerds :/ |
| 08:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | Rebooting |
| 08:54.54 | Xtrophy | there is nothing wrong with being clueless :P |
| 08:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | Same behavior at boot with no connection. |
| 08:56.24 | timelyx | "no connection"? |
| 08:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | No wifi connection. |
| 08:56.45 | timelyx | browser not yet running? |
| 08:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | Browser not yet running. |
| 08:57.03 | timelyx | close your home applets and reboot ;-) |
| 08:57.18 | Xtrophy | could i bother u all with questions that been asked thousand times before |
| 08:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | rgr |
| 08:57.26 | timelyx | Xtrophy: google first? |
| 08:57.34 | timelyx | Xtrophy: note that this channel is logged |
| 08:57.43 | timelyx | so if a question was asked here, you could read the log for the answer |
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| 08:58.00 | timelyx | could? yes. should? not really :) |
| 08:58.02 | Xtrophy | ow sweet u mean 24 hour logs |
| 08:58.10 | timelyx | 24-7 |
| 08:58.19 | timelyx | minus time off for bad bot behavior :) |
| 08:58.23 | timelyx | and net splits |
| 08:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | No change with applets off. |
| 08:59.01 | Xtrophy | anyway its still not same as change that u can suprise me with ur answers :P |
| 08:59.17 | Xtrophy | is there a maemo wiki gives detailed information |
| 08:59.39 | timelyx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ |
| 08:59.43 | timelyx | not sure what it gives |
| 08:59.47 | timelyx | probably bad info :) |
| 09:00.39 | Xtrophy | is maemo a regular linux kernel with a new x11 desktop for tablet pcs |
| 09:00.53 | timelyx | it's an omap kernel |
| 09:00.58 | timelyx | and defining 'new' is hard |
| 09:01.13 | timelyx | but otherwise, "kinda' :) |
| 09:01.38 | timelyx | actually, defining "regular" is pointless |
| 09:01.59 | timelyx | hurry up |
| 09:02.19 | Xtrophy | so could i use every linuxx program on it |
| 09:02.36 | Xtrophy | at least dosent wants special runtimes |
| 09:02.43 | timelyx | um. no no |
| 09:02.43 | Xtrophy | idk kde based or gtk |
| 09:02.51 | timelyx | it's gtk based |
| 09:03.00 | timelyx | if you want your app to look right, it needs to be rewritten to use hildon |
| 09:03.01 | Xtrophy | so i can use gtk based applications? |
| 09:03.11 | timelyx | you could xdisplay qt apps too |
| 09:03.12 | Xtrophy | :( |
| 09:03.18 | timelyx | but you probably wouldn't get a keyboard :) |
| 09:03.31 | Xtrophy | like if i want a mame emu i need to find rewriten version |
| 09:03.43 | timelyx | no |
| 09:03.53 | timelyx | emulators generally don't care about platform look and feel |
| 09:04.00 | timelyx | l&f only matters for normal things |
| 09:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | I suppose it's time to open a bug on this. |
| 09:04.30 | Xtrophy | is there a console application in mameo like bash |
| 09:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Any more ideas, timelyx? ;) |
| 09:04.42 | timelyx | IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-07-28 |
| 09:04.42 | timelyx | N800: port MAME, 20:27. frob, N800: you need to eat pills while walking back and forth? 20:27. NeoStrider, wel...actually..there is already mame for maemo ... |
| 09:04.42 | timelyx | mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-07-28.log.html |
| 09:04.44 | Xtrophy | and regular directories |
| 09:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | ash, Xtrophy. |
| 09:05.13 | timelyx | busybox |
| 09:05.14 | _Monkey | busybox is weak by default |
| 09:05.16 | timelyx | it's a normal whatever, 2008 includes xterminal |
| 09:05.30 | timelyx | previous versions required you find one of two competing xterminals |
| 09:05.37 | Xtrophy | is answering nonsence pointless questions gives u braindamage |
| 09:05.40 | timelyx | all versions allow you to install one of two competing ssh(d)s |
| 09:05.58 | timelyx | it gives me headaches |
| 09:06.03 | timelyx | but not as much as other things i do |
| 09:06.28 | timelyx | think of maemo as a hacked version of debian |
| 09:06.40 | timelyx | it has a hacked linux omap kernel w/ a hacked version of gnome |
| 09:06.47 | timelyx | some versions include more hacks than others |
| 09:06.53 | timelyx | some versions include worse hacks than others |
| 09:07.03 | timelyx | not all hacks are created equal, some hacks are more equal than others |
| 09:07.21 | timelyx | there is a /home/user directory that has some other directories, like a MyDocs |
| 09:07.25 | Xtrophy | thanks its dosent looks an hopeless rom operation system to me now |
| 09:07.46 | timelyx | but for most apps you want, someone may have already ported |
| 09:07.51 | timelyx | and clearly google would have saved me effort |
| 09:08.02 | timelyx | why do people refuse to use google? |
| 09:08.09 | Xtrophy | its evil |
| 09:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent question. |
| 09:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps you should file a bug? |
| 09:08.28 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: sadly, we already include a google search applet on our device |
| 09:08.33 | timelyx | people refuse to use that too |
| 09:08.42 | timelyx | heck, in 2008, the home page is a google gateway |
| 09:08.53 | doc|home | timelyx: because they censor results. |
| 09:09.02 | doc|home | by the way, can you change that? |
| 09:09.18 | timelyx | doc: so my uncensored (in|re)sults are better? :) |
| 09:09.32 | GeneralAntilles | The only way to make them learn is to have a team of Googleteers that repeatedly beat people who don't google first about the head and shoulders with sockfuls of super rubber balls. |
| 09:09.35 | timelyx | change the source ip :) |
| 09:09.36 | _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right |
| 09:09.42 | doc|home | timelyx: I get perfectly good results from a search engine that isn't google and isn't censoring results |
| 09:10.04 | doc|home | did you crash monkey? :) |
| 09:10.09 | timelyx | yes |
| 09:10.15 | doc|home | heh |
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| 09:10.35 | timelyx | i think it's for a currency converter |
| 09:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, this isn't really a political discussion, it's more of a "Why do people ask stupid questions to which the answers are already readily available?"-discussion. :) |
| 09:10.58 | doc|home | ah, ok :) |
| 09:12.23 | czr | mornink |
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| 09:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | Halo, czr. |
| 09:12.33 | Xtrophy | could u think ppl never asks questions that answers given somewhere somehow before |
| 09:12.43 | Xtrophy | omg how many new question u can find |
| 09:13.02 | GeneralAntilles | There are no new questions. :) |
| 09:13.26 | timelyx | there are no new answers either :) |
| 09:13.58 | Xtrophy | dont say that |
| 09:14.16 | Xtrophy | with every new answer ur whine ability increasing slightly |
| 09:14.30 | timelyx | trade off sucks |
| 09:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | We need a well organized wiki to point new users to. |
| 09:14.57 | timelyx | google doesn't count? :) |
| 09:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Seemingly no. |
| 09:15.18 | czr | <miyagi>trade on, trade off</miyagi> |
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| 09:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | The internet tablet school is a nice idea, but it doesn't cover enough subjects, is only maintained by a single person and is poorly organized. |
| 09:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | maemo wiki is just gross |
| 09:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | and the ITT wiki seems to be full of garbage/very broken. |
| 09:16.22 | czr | timelyx, it is done. bad grammar, evil content, but it IS done :-) |
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| 09:16.49 | czr | although I'm still waiting for feedback and will be fixing things for the rest of the week, but in theory, it is done. |
| 09:17.00 | timelyx | heh |
| 09:17.02 | timelyx | sounds like us |
| 09:17.10 | czr | yup :-) |
| 09:17.11 | timelyx | poke me tonight |
| 09:17.38 | czr | I might. need to go through all the bug reports now. |
| 09:18.38 | czr | oo. my "dangerous symlink" has now "high priority" |
| 09:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | Test and vote. https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi |
| 09:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 09:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2400 |
| 09:20.01 | czr | softpower off? |
| 09:20.31 | jumpula | http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?comicID=204 |
| 09:20.48 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: hey, you got bug 2400 :) |
| 09:20.49 | _Monkey | Bug 2400 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2400 |
| 09:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, kinda messed up that space, didn't I? |
| 09:21.22 | timelyx | wait, what is soft power off? |
| 09:21.28 | timelyx | is that some unsupported feature? |
| 09:21.31 | czr | that's what my question was too |
| 09:21.34 | czr | looks like it |
| 09:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | How can you use these devices and not know what soft poweroff is? |
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| 09:22.13 | czr | use? who told you we use them? |
| 09:22.14 | timelyx | we leave our devices plugged in? :) |
| 09:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | You use that entirely too cumbersome keylocking procedure? |
| 09:22.57 | doc|home | I was complaining about that today, anything to do with the power key is annoying |
| 09:23.09 | doc|home | explain oh wise one :) |
| 09:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's like magic (well, it WAS in OS2007 <_<) |
| 09:23.36 | czr | editing mce.ini is unsupported afaik |
| 09:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | Well, good. |
| 09:23.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'd still like it fixed. :) |
| 09:23.48 | doc|home | hehe |
| 09:24.09 | czr | GeneralAntilles, if you'd post a link to some page explaining what it was, people might vote for it :-) |
| 09:24.12 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: it'd be good if you included /etc/osso_software_version |
| 09:24.19 | timelyx | or the url from which you retrieved the image |
| 09:24.19 | czr | and a fix! :-) |
| 09:24.26 | czr | and cookies. |
| 09:24.27 | _Monkey | cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 09:24.30 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 09:24.38 | doc|home | brownies > cookies |
| 09:24.39 | timelyx | that's intentional |
| 09:24.45 | timelyx | (google) |
| 09:24.45 | doc|home | of course |
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| 09:25.35 | czr | ot/cookies: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/939f/ |
| 09:25.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stick this: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin in the URL field, timelyx? |
| 09:26.15 | doc|home | heh |
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| 09:26.54 | timelyx | burst into flames is It is very important that you understand that these binaries are not complete programs. They might crash on startup. They might delete all your files and cause your computer to burst into flames. http://web.archive.org/web/20000229124052/www.mozilla.org/binaries.html |
| 09:27.01 | timelyx | burst into flames? |
| 09:27.01 | _Monkey | burst into flames is It is very important that you understand that these binaries are not complete programs. They might crash on startup. They might delete all my files and cause my computer to burst into flames. http://web.archive.org/web/20000229124052/www.mozilla.org/binaries.html |
| 09:27.10 | Xtrophy | anybody knows an i386 dos emulation with sb default |
| 09:27.12 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: that'd be fine |
| 09:27.20 | Xtrophy | so i can play estatica again |
| 09:27.46 | czr | seriously though, does anyone know who controls _monkey? |
| 09:27.56 | timelyx | Xtrophy: id you consider google: maemo dosbox? |
| 09:28.28 | czr | travel bag even |
| 09:28.33 | Xtrophy | omg omg /cheer |
| 09:28.35 | timelyx | czr: the log repeatedly lists who owns the bot |
| 09:28.42 | timelyx | but i don't try to remember :) |
| 09:29.09 | czr | timelyx, hmm. should prolly take a look at it then. mine is kind of stupid. since I've disabled join/parts, they're not stored into the log either. bleh. |
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| 09:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | soft poweroff replaces my much missed 770 cover for my N800. |
| 09:30.16 | timelyx | yeah, i remember people mentioning it from back then |
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| 09:30.24 | jumpula | czr: can't they be enabled separately for logs? |
| 09:30.32 | jumpula | i think in irssi one can |
| 09:30.36 | jumpula | not sure, though |
| 09:30.46 | czr | jumpula, I guess so, but I haven't bothered before this really |
| 09:30.49 | czr | and I don't use irssi. |
| 09:30.54 | jumpula | at least rawlog displays everything |
| 09:31.08 | jumpula | ok :) |
| 09:31.31 | czr | hmm. no separate option to log join/parts. /me kicks his legacy version of xchat |
| 09:32.06 | Xtrophy | is playing old hentai dos games under illegal emulations ( and sure games are copy too ) is a sin |
| 09:32.18 | Xtrophy | is there a chance for me to burn in hell? |
| 09:32.24 | czr | Xtrophy, yes |
| 09:32.38 | Xtrophy | its os of satan :( |
| 09:32.50 | Xtrophy | just seduces me i cant resist |
| 09:33.05 | timelyx | jumpula: =) |
| 09:33.37 | timelyx | stupid users |
| 09:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to resolve this as fixed. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975 |
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| 09:39.43 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: do you not have editbugs? |
| 09:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | Nope. |
| 09:40.00 | timelyx | bugmail address? |
| 09:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | rabelg5 at gmail dot com |
| 09:40.56 | timelyx | go forth and resolve |
| 09:41.02 | timelyx | (set tm of course!) |
| 09:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | Danke, sir. :) |
| 09:41.44 | timelyx | biette shen? |
| 09:43.58 | czr | bleh. /me gets slightly irritated |
| 09:44.08 | timelyx | czr: only slightly? |
| 09:44.10 | czr | bug 2383 |
| 09:44.11 | _Monkey | Bug 2383 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2383 |
| 09:44.13 | czr | only slightly :-) |
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| 09:44.36 | czr | comment #7 = caused irritation. |
| 09:45.22 | timelyx | ETOOMANYCOMMENTS |
| 09:46.21 | czr | considering the triviality of the bug, yes, I agree :-) |
| 09:46.25 | timelyx | i don't think i have a cross reference of a recent ubuntu |
| 09:46.36 | czr | what kind of cross ref? |
| 09:46.37 | timelyx | but i'm fairly certain that modern debian's don't use apt.conf at all |
| 09:46.42 | timelyx | either |
| 09:46.46 | timelyx | (source, or installed) |
| 09:46.49 | czr | ah, true |
| 09:46.55 | czr | but I can check this quickly enough |
| 09:47.01 | timelyx | i.e., i can't give you a good ref for it |
| 09:47.07 | czr | I don't need a ref! |
| 09:47.21 | czr | damn it. modular configuration has been with us ever since redhat ditched inetd for xinetd. |
| 09:47.32 | czr | and that happened _ages_ ago. |
| 09:47.36 | timelyx | i don't have growl installed here |
| 09:48.06 | czr | it has broadcast control. whenever I growl, they will now growl too. |
| 09:48.10 | czr | surround growl. |
| 09:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | <3 Growl |
| 09:48.23 | timelyx | have you seen/heard growl? |
| 09:48.27 | Xtrophy | why the damn doom impossible to complete alive |
| 09:48.32 | czr | timeless, no apt.conf |
| 09:48.32 | Xtrophy | wtf why im need to die after all |
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| 09:48.40 | czr | timeless, in feisty at least. just /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 09:48.51 | timelyx | http://growl.info/ for everyone too lazy to use google: growl |
| 09:49.13 | timelyx | czr: EWAYTOOMANYCOMMENTS |
| 09:49.19 | timelyx | but comment :) |
| 09:49.27 | czr | comment where? |
| 09:49.38 | timelyx | in the bug of course :) |
| 09:49.45 | czr | you think I should moan some more? |
| 09:50.03 | czr | by the bug severety / amount of bitching ratio is already fairly bad for that one. |
| 09:50.03 | timelyx | yes? |
| 09:50.06 | Xtrophy | i will change to my nickname to noobsaibot |
| 09:50.17 | timelyx | i don't think they get that key point |
| 09:50.26 | czr | timelyx, ah. ok |
| 09:50.28 | timelyx | that normal debians don't have anyone touching that file |
| 09:50.36 | timelyx | btw, my karma jumped a bit |
| 09:50.41 | timelyx | it used to be around 8 iirc |
| 09:50.44 | czr | ooh. /me runs to check his |
| 09:51.23 | czr | err. where's the profile page? |
| 09:51.54 | timelyx | https://maemo.org/profile/ |
| 09:51.57 | timelyx | is the easiest one |
| 09:52.08 | timelyx | https://maemo.org/profile/view/czr.html |
| 09:52.10 | timelyx | is yours |
| 09:52.23 | czr | thanks |
| 09:52.44 | czr | I get the bugzilla ones finally. |
| 09:56.05 | timelyx | how do i get a karma list? |
| 09:56.24 | timelyx | i know i've seen one somewhere |
| 09:56.31 | timelyx | http://maemo.org/profile/list |
| 09:56.43 | timelyx | much better, i'm on the first page |
| 09:56.48 | timelyx | ooh, and i can file another bug |
| 09:56.58 | timelyx | actually, i think i already filed that bug |
| 09:57.01 | timelyx | but about some other page :) |
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| 09:58.30 | czr | whee. I'm (just) on the first page :-) |
| 09:58.48 | czr | I trail you by 37 points timeless! |
| 09:59.03 | czr | or should I say, Mr '-' :-) |
| 09:59.43 | czr | timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2383#c9 |
| 09:59.45 | czr | better? |
| 10:00.30 | timelyx | we'll see? |
| 10:00.34 | czr | except the typos and crap, but I can't really be bothered about those. |
| 10:00.38 | timelyx | i thought something simpler would work |
| 10:00.59 | timelyx | "ubuntu X has an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/whatever_its_name.list" |
| 10:01.02 | czr | no. EMASSIVEOVERLOADOFCOMMENTS. |
| 10:01.04 | timelyx | or only has |
| 10:01.20 | czr | the irony is that the directory does exist in ubuntu, but is not actively used in feisty at least |
| 10:01.39 | timelyx | oh, it isn't actively used? |
| 10:01.40 | timelyx | bah |
| 10:01.44 | timelyx | stupid stupid :) |
| 10:01.47 | czr | it's an empty directory. yeah. |
| 10:01.49 | timelyx | anyway, i've used it for a year |
| 10:01.52 | timelyx | at least |
| 10:02.01 | czr | not sure whether the graphical tools use it. |
| 10:02.07 | timelyx | i remember using it when i first (second?) setup ubuntu here @n |
| 10:02.19 | czr | it was news to me. I blame sp3000 |
| 10:02.36 | timelyx | iiirc when i used it, the documentation for it was scant :) |
| 10:02.40 | czr | but I really like the modular config thingies |
| 10:02.44 | timelyx | sounds like they're detonating somewhere nearby |
| 10:02.48 | czr | the way things should've been always |
| 10:02.54 | czr | especially with crappy package management systems |
| 10:02.57 | timelyx | given the stupid way application manager works |
| 10:03.06 | timelyx | btw, is there a bug filed for that? :) |
| 10:03.07 | czr | heh |
| 10:03.13 | timelyx | you can get karma for reporting it :) |
| 10:03.38 | czr | heh. I'd better do a proper bug report instead |
| 10:04.09 | czr | at least I have one to do still. |
| 10:04.15 | timelyx | wow, qgim has way too much karma for blogging |
| 10:04.21 | czr | but been lazy/not sure how to put it into words |
| 10:05.06 | czr | timelyx, should we reopen the karma bug (now that it's closed) to moan about weighting between the categories? you think that'd fly well? ;-) |
| 10:05.19 | timelyx | heh |
| 10:05.21 | czr | "we the undersigned demand a larger cut of the karma-pie" |
| 10:05.33 | timelyx | you could file a bug asking for irc karma |
| 10:05.34 | czr | "P.S., Bloggers are weenies!" |
| 10:05.53 | czr | heh |
| 10:06.03 | czr | _monkey would take first position probably |
| 10:06.04 | _Monkey | czr: i'm not following you... |
| 10:06.14 | timelyx | not necessarily |
| 10:06.14 | czr | I'd rather have qim at the pole |
| 10:06.30 | czr | neh. irc is transient. |
| 10:06.34 | czr | prefer it this way |
| 10:07.02 | RussB | Hello all... |
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| 10:07.24 | timelyx | http://gavinsharp.com/irc/developers.html |
| 10:07.27 | timelyx | for comparison |
| 10:07.33 | timelyx | note slot 7 is the bot |
| 10:07.42 | RussB | I just update my N800 to OS2008 Beta. Is it just me, or does the browser crash when visiting maemo.org/downloads for everyone? |
| 10:07.54 | czr | timelyx, scary :-) |
| 10:07.55 | timelyx | RussB: someone filed a bug for that |
| 10:08.06 | timelyx | RussB: did you restore from backup? |
| 10:08.10 | timelyx | (are you someone?) |
| 10:08.11 | RussB | yeah |
| 10:08.26 | RussB | I did restore from backup... is it some sort of cache thing? |
| 10:08.42 | timelyx | dunno, please read the bug and follow the requested steps |
| 10:08.51 | timelyx | (finding the bug is left as an exercise) |
| 10:09.02 | RussB | :-) |
| 10:09.29 | timelyx | czr: note: i'm not #1 in all those channels :) |
| 10:09.47 | timelyx | Big numbers |
| 10:09.47 | timelyx | Is firebot stupid or just asking too many questions? 39.7% lines contained a question! |
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| 10:09.55 | timelyx | The loudest one was foxbot, who yelled 19.5% of the time! |
| 10:09.58 | czr | timelyx, the scary part was related to the all too even distribution between different times for you. very 24/7 of you :-) |
| 10:10.10 | timelyx | yeah, i like that |
| 10:10.13 | timelyx | nokia helped a lot |
| 10:10.20 | timelyx | but even before nokia i had fairly good distribution |
| 10:10.23 | Xtrophy | when i push to ctrl+f my computer threathen me for scary things |
| 10:10.55 | timelyx | i think db48x might actually have a better distribution |
| 10:10.58 | timelyx | he's on here too |
| 10:11.35 | RussB | Ahh, here it is: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2398 |
| 10:11.38 | RussB | Okay, thanks |
| 10:11.58 | timelyx | :), please help, steps should be fairly self explanatory |
| 10:12.15 | timelyx | preferably do the analysis/reduction before attaching |
| 10:12.57 | timelyx | czr: i think what i like better is that my distribution is better than the bot's :) |
| 10:16.16 | czr | timelyx, clearly you are more botish than it is :-) |
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| 10:16.30 | timelyx | there are discussions about that |
| 10:16.36 | timelyx | (ask sp3000 or db48x) |
| 10:17.04 | czr | I don't I want/need to know :-) |
| 10:17.08 | czr | I'll file a new bug instead |
| 10:17.14 | timelyx | good choice |
| 10:17.35 | czr | +think |
| 10:17.50 | timelyx | just do it :) |
| 10:18.13 | czr | you know. I feel kind of weird. this is the first time that I don't have anything to do (maemo-related) for a long time. |
| 10:22.09 | timelyx | hey. don't forget to verify reso fixe bugs you reported |
| 10:22.48 | timelyx | e.g., 2338 |
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| 10:26.47 | unique311 | blutooth headset works |
| 10:26.52 | czr | "This file does not exist". Don't you think that error output from mxr is slightly misleading? :-) |
| 10:26.58 | unique311 | nice |
| 10:27.05 | czr | It's like the "this page has intentionally been left blank" :-) |
| 10:27.40 | czr | timelyx, good point. I didn't know that I'm supposed to verify them. Just adding a comment or changing the state from FIXED -> FERIVIED? |
| 10:27.45 | czr | ferified even |
| 10:28.14 | unique311 | very nice add on the new os2008 |
| 10:28.35 | unique311 | bluetooth headset works with skype |
| 10:28.48 | timelyx | czr: well, verifying is nice |
| 10:28.55 | timelyx | if you have a comment, include one |
| 10:28.58 | timelyx | if you don't need one, don't |
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| 10:29.45 | czr | right. it wasn't clear to me what the VERIFIED really meant. either "Yes, this bug exists" or "Yes, this fix works". |
| 10:30.12 | timelyx | verified is for verifying resolved (whichever) |
| 10:30.18 | timelyx | you confirm bugs exist |
| 10:30.40 | timelyx | 2067 could use /someone/ to verify |
| 10:30.55 | timelyx | in that case it'd be best if the someone actually included steps that were tested |
| 10:31.02 | timelyx | (rubber stamp not appreciated there) |
| 10:33.31 | Xtrophy | timelyx |
| 10:33.32 | _Monkey | somebody said timelyx was timelyx's mac, it has scrollback |
| 10:33.40 | timelyx | yes? |
| 10:33.45 | Xtrophy | i want a windows 95 with directx 10 complitable |
| 10:34.04 | timelyx | why ask me? |
| 10:34.13 | timelyx | my mac is pretty |
| 10:34.31 | Xtrophy | macs arent pretty |
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| 10:34.36 | Xtrophy | they r like man |
| 10:34.44 | Xtrophy | troubless |
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| 10:34.56 | Xtrophy | unlike pcs always gives u headache like girls |
| 10:35.11 | Xtrophy | thats why ppl lvoes their pc |
| 10:35.34 | Xtrophy | sure i cant comment about ur sexual decitions |
| 10:35.44 | Xtrophy | mac is fine i guess |
| 10:37.06 | Xtrophy | anyway im so much sad that i cant run windows games something else then an amulator in linuxx neither windows dosent helps me. Even yea i have tons of memory and clock speed |
| 10:37.36 | czr | bleh. konttori isn't around |
| 10:37.36 | Xtrophy | but i still want windws 95 back i dont know how they able to to put in my memory 500 mb data with what |
| 10:37.51 | Xtrophy | have vista :( |
| 10:38.02 | Xtrophy | hate bill gates |
| 10:38.04 | timelyx | you realize this is #maemo, no? |
| 10:38.07 | timelyx | we don't really care |
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| 10:38.12 | timelyx | or rather, we really really don't care |
| 10:38.18 | Xtrophy | see u r evil too |
| 10:38.32 | Xtrophy | :( is anybody up there is anybody really cares |
| 10:38.50 | Xtrophy | ever listen ke? it will fit to u |
| 10:38.56 | czr | elb, I documented the libdbus abort thingy now: bug 2401 |
| 10:38.56 | _Monkey | Bug 2401 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2401 |
| 10:39.14 | czr | Xtrophy, does your ISP charge you by the number of characters you type? |
| 10:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 10:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | I was just going to say. |
| 10:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | Learn to spell . . . |
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| 10:39.41 | czr | I tried to remain silent about it for a long time, but "growl". |
| 10:40.27 | Xtrophy | i have many things to learn ^_^ |
| 10:40.29 | czr | timelyx, hmm. how can I see if a bug has been verified from a bug search list? |
| 10:40.39 | czr | timelyx, or it will change "Resolution"? |
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| 10:41.42 | czr | ah. it's the "status" that gets updated. |
| 10:42.24 | unique311 | ok, this sucks, when i paired the bluetooth headset the first time. |
| 10:42.27 | unique311 | it worked. |
| 10:42.36 | unique311 | now it doesn't want to work.... |
| 10:42.48 | unique311 | its connects but no sound. |
| 10:42.58 | unique311 | was this a fluke |
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| 10:43.12 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 |
| 10:43.17 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/libx11-1.1.1/debian/patches/015_russian_locale_alias.diff |
| 10:43.22 | timelyx | is that patch related to that bug? |
| 10:44.24 | czr | yes and no |
| 10:44.29 | czr | I don't think that fixes the bug |
| 10:44.38 | czr | related somehow maybe yes |
| 10:44.58 | czr | it just changes the bug to another one I think |
| 10:45.31 | czr | but I'm not sure |
| 10:45.34 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/libx11-1.1.1/debian/changelog |
| 10:45.40 | czr | at least to me it doesn't look like a fix |
| 10:45.52 | timelyx | interesting |
| 10:46.05 | czr | hmm. but they use KOI8-R |
| 10:46.09 | czr | which is not UTF-8 at all |
| 10:46.11 | timelyx | looks like they've tried a number of times to get it right |
| 10:46.43 | timelyx | lines: 3, 66, 104, 174 |
| 10:46.47 | czr | KOI8-R is the russian (original) version of KOI8, which is a pure 8-bit encoding. similar but different from 8859 |
| 10:47.10 | czr | KOI8s are incompatible with other encodings, including UTF-8 |
| 10:47.40 | czr | also 64 |
| 10:47.50 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/libx11-1.1.1/debian/patches/002_arm_abi_brain_damage.diff#7 |
| 10:48.03 | timelyx | that's a great url :) |
| 10:48.28 | czr | the one that's referred in that one? |
| 10:48.32 | czr | ah. this one. yeah |
| 10:48.40 | czr | seems pretty broken too. evil :-) |
| 10:49.36 | czr | timelyx, the patch you referred to fixes 104 |
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| 10:49.59 | czr | but again, I'm not sure it is related to the maemo bug |
| 10:50.36 | czr | hmm. actually it does |
| 10:50.48 | czr | I could test if I'd have a BT keyboard |
| 10:51.12 | unique311 | i had to remove the device from the bluetooth settings, turn of the n800, remove the battery, turn on the device, re-add the bluetooth headset. |
| 10:51.15 | unique311 | to get it working. |
| 10:51.27 | unique311 | but it works with kagu. |
| 10:51.28 | unique311 | yeah |
| 10:51.30 | czr | unique311, see if you can repeat it |
| 10:51.35 | unique311 | k |
| 10:51.39 | czr | the problem. if you can, file a bug with details |
| 10:51.40 | timelyx | czr: does an n800 w/ bthid count? |
| 10:51.53 | czr | timelyx, I don't know. never used BT much |
| 10:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | Remove the battery? Was that really necessary? |
| 10:52.10 | unique311 | i think its cause i turned off the bluetooth headset a certain way i wasn't suppose to. |
| 10:52.37 | unique311 | not sure..but going to test it out again GeneralAntilles |
| 10:53.47 | unique311 | figured it out.. |
| 10:54.16 | unique311 | i didn't disconnect the bluetooth headset from the n800. |
| 10:55.41 | timelyx | czr: that bug rocks |
| 10:55.50 | timelyx | I wrote that header file was written before there was a C standard; to |
| 10:55.50 | timelyx | my knowledge, this is the first instance of this behavior I've seen. |
| 10:55.50 | timelyx | (That data structure was added somewhere around 1986 or 1987, IIRC). |
| 10:55.52 | czr | timelyx, which one? |
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| 10:56.01 | czr | ah. that one. yeah :-) |
| 10:56.03 | unique311 | i just disconnected it the same way i didn before, disconnected it from the device also. then i turned on the headset and did the connect from the device, and it worked |
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| 10:56.33 | unique311 | hope that made sense |
| 10:57.52 | czr | timelyx, not too many bugs that I can verify actually. |
| 10:58.07 | czr | timelyx, but thanks for the tip, will try to verify from now on whenever they're fixed |
| 10:58.58 | timelyx | czr: you can make a whine, actually you probably can't |
| 10:59.01 | czr | btw, does anyone know whether 'konttori' = "Urho Konttori" (bugzilla) |
| 10:59.03 | timelyx | but i could let you make a whine |
| 10:59.25 | czr | he's not around and I want to tell him about a bug |
| 10:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | afaik, yes, czr. |
| 11:00.07 | czr | GeneralAntilles, ok, thanks |
| 11:04.21 | timelyx | ok, i give up |
| 11:04.30 | timelyx | i can not figure out which stupid change fixed the russian bug |
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| 11:05.20 | czr | timelyx, interesting. once I verified a bug, it was now switched to closed. so I guess verification is something that is done :-) |
| 11:05.32 | czr | (by someone, not automatically) |
| 11:05.37 | czr | or maybe automatically by someone |
| 11:06.06 | timelyx | hrm |
| 11:06.19 | timelyx | there's a "view bug activity" link |
| 11:06.32 | timelyx | ok, this is confusing: http://maemo.org/news/tableteer/ |
| 11:07.17 | czr | no news content |
| 11:07.54 | timelyx | czr, 2075 is yours |
| 11:08.36 | czr | timeless, I know. can't verify it |
| 11:08.39 | czr | don't have OS2007 running |
| 11:09.01 | czr | tried to use that url with OS2008 and was redirected into a completely different place |
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| 11:09.19 | timelyx | i included steps for verifying :) |
| 11:09.20 | czr | and yes, I know I could change the identification but bleh.. |
| 11:09.45 | czr | so you think verifying without the original sw version is verifying? ;-) |
| 11:09.54 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1381#c2 is fun |
| 11:09.57 | czr | that's cheating :-) |
| 11:10.04 | timelyx | well um... |
| 11:10.10 | timelyx | what are we verifying? |
| 11:10.23 | timelyx | in this case, we're verifying that the page (reached however) is not broken |
| 11:10.34 | timelyx | as such, i sanction all efforts to extract the page |
| 11:10.46 | timelyx | as long as you have faith that such efforts will not result in the wrong page |
| 11:11.04 | czr | ah. true |
| 11:11.26 | czr | I'll have a smoke and verify |
| 11:15.41 | RussB | I'm back... another question: I can't seem to sudo gainroot... |
| 11:15.48 | RussB | On OS2008 on the N800... |
| 11:16.00 | czr | RussB, enable R&D mode with the flasher |
| 11:16.10 | RussB | Ahhh... k |
| 11:16.53 | timelyx | try this url: |
| 11:16.54 | timelyx | http://search.maemo.org/search?q=&site=wiki&btnG=maemo+search&output=xml_no_dtd |
| 11:17.12 | czr | break |
| 11:17.20 | czr | fatal parsin error |
| 11:17.34 | czr | +g |
| 11:18.22 | czr | "The index may not be ready. Try again in a minute." |
| 11:18.31 | czr | (at the end of the url) |
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| 11:25.31 | timelyx | oh brother |
| 11:26.11 | timelyx | can you verify 2154? add https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ as the url field value and use it for testing |
| 11:26.31 | czr | add where? |
| 11:27.11 | timelyx | the bug's url field of course :) |
| 11:27.17 | timelyx | the field you keep forgetting to fill in |
| 11:27.32 | timelyx | someday i'll have banged that into a couple of you maemo reporters |
| 11:27.34 | timelyx | maybe 3 |
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| 11:28.13 | czr | I fill the url field nowadays |
| 11:28.17 | czr | when possible/makes sense |
| 11:28.41 | pupnik_ | 18 days to N810 |
| 11:28.56 | czr | timelyx, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing btw |
| 11:29.02 | czr | timelyx, url opens just fine here |
| 11:29.24 | czr | although mind you, my account works now. |
| 11:29.37 | timelyx | there should be a toolbar |
| 11:29.48 | L0cutus | i'll buy the n810 display on ebay and put it on my n800 , the perfect solution :) |
| 11:29.53 | timelyx | the toolbar should have some menu that would let you try to subscribe to be informed about changes to the page |
| 11:29.56 | timelyx | (read bug) |
| 11:29.57 | czr | there's none, but I'm using a legacy version of the browser. plus my account has super-privs anyway ;-) |
| 11:30.05 | czr | let me try in firefox |
| 11:31.18 | timelyx | wow |
| 11:31.39 | czr | subscribed |
| 11:31.48 | czr | no probs. But, as I said, my account has superpowers |
| 11:31.57 | czr | so I'm not sure I'm the correct person trying thing |
| 11:31.59 | czr | this even |
| 11:32.29 | timelyx | fair enough, bug Jaffa :) |
| 11:32.32 | czr | I can't change the URL btw |
| 11:32.39 | czr | "You tried to change the URL field to https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ , but only the assignee or reporter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user may change that field." |
| 11:32.58 | czr | why should I bug jaffa? you bug him :-) |
| 11:32.59 | timelyx | oh brother |
| 11:33.31 | timelyx | try again |
| 11:34.15 | pupnik_ | the community should keep up with the blogs from maemo people |
| 11:34.28 | timelyx | ? |
| 11:34.32 | czr | timelyx, added |
| 11:35.23 | pupnik_ | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ for e.g. -- and the rest |
| 11:35.35 | czr | pupnik_, why? |
| 11:36.37 | timelyx | pupnik_: i'd bury his article right away |
| 11:36.44 | timelyx | first he again fails to market to americans |
| 11:36.51 | czr | bury it "straight and deep" |
| 11:36.57 | timelyx | yes yes |
| 11:38.22 | timelyx | actually |
| 11:38.25 | Jaffa | timelyx/czr: what do you want me to do? |
| 11:38.27 | pupnik_ | i didn't keep up with the nokia developer blogs, but now i find them revealing andn interesting |
| 11:38.28 | timelyx | is he syndicated by planet? |
| 11:38.36 | czr | Jaffa, blame timelyx, I'm innocent |
| 11:38.47 | timelyx | czr: did you punt on verifying that bug? |
| 11:39.02 | czr | timelyx, no. I didn't see why I should :-) |
| 11:39.18 | czr | I try to steer away from webish things, unless there's something broken with the content. |
| 11:39.24 | Jaffa | pupnik_: which community *isn't* keeping up with "the blogs from maemo people"? I read pmo several times a day |
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| 11:41.21 | timelyx | czr: can you give the bug # to jaffa :) |
| 11:41.38 | czr | timelyx, why are you being such a difficult person/bot now? :-) |
| 11:41.49 | czr | 2154 |
| 11:42.07 | timelyx | very short term memory :) |
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| 11:42.11 | czr | heh jaffa at url |
| 11:43.00 | timelyx | ok, i said i woudl, and i did. bury :) |
| 11:43.44 | RussB | czr: that worked, thanks! |
| 11:43.55 | czr | RussB, np. I'll send the invoice tomorrow. |
| 11:44.01 | RussB | :-) |
| 11:44.16 | Jaffa | timelyx/czr: so I should try subscribing to that page and see if it works? |
| 11:45.08 | czr | subbing worked for me |
| 11:45.10 | czr | try subbing |
| 11:45.26 | Jaffa | Didn't give me an error, but I can't find a way of seeing what I'm actually subscribed to. |
| 11:45.35 | czr | timelyx, err. my about:config does not have useragent.override. |
| 11:45.45 | czr | Jaffa, same here |
| 11:46.01 | czr | but I guess people were having more of an issue with their accounts than subbing to the page per se |
| 11:46.09 | czr | the bug report isn't very clear on what the issue was |
| 11:46.32 | timelyx | you just have to create it |
| 11:46.39 | timelyx | it doesn't exist by default... |
| 11:47.16 | timelyx | the picture had a red link instead of black |
| 11:47.24 | timelyx | my guess is that it wasn't clickable |
| 11:47.27 | timelyx | dunno :) |
| 11:47.34 | timelyx | i never figured out what it did either :) |
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| 11:52.05 | czr | timelyx, bleh, I fail at verying 2075 |
| 11:52.21 | czr | "Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand." & "Request header field is missing ':' separator." |
| 11:53.27 | czr | probably a newline hidden in the field now |
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| 12:21.58 | halley | "may I ask" is useless on IRC, just ask. |
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| 12:23.12 | gokr | Of course. |
| 12:23.33 | gokr | Well, just wondering how it stacks up - and which calendar app people use. |
| 12:24.00 | srwalter | what replaced gdbm in chinook? |
| 12:25.28 | lardman | gokr: there's gpe-calendar and something from poky |
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| 12:43.09 | gokr | thanks |
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| 12:52.21 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
| 12:52.52 | pupnik_ | moo |
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| 13:33.24 | maddler | morning all... |
| 13:33.42 | Tak | buon giorno |
| 13:33.43 | _matthias_ | morning |
| 13:33.44 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 13:33.50 | maddler | Tak: a te! :D |
| 13:34.03 | maddler | _Monkey: aloha kahua! :D |
| 13:34.04 | _Monkey | maddler: excuse me? |
| 13:34.14 | maddler | _Monkey: yep.... |
| 13:34.15 | _Monkey | maddler: i'm not following you... |
| 13:34.21 | maddler | _Monkey: ? |
| 13:34.21 | _Monkey | i haven't a clue, maddler |
| 13:34.38 | maddler | me neither... what are we talking bout? it could help... ;) |
| 13:35.16 | Jaffa | lo maddler |
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| 13:38.51 | maddler | Jaffa: heya! |
| 13:40.34 | maddler | doh! Just realized _Monkey is a bot! :D |
| 13:40.36 | maddler | lol!!! |
| 13:41.03 | Jaffa | maddler: heh, it's because he makes the same amount of sense as Darius\d+ on ITT. |
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| 13:44.17 | timeless | that's scary |
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| 13:45.41 | Xtrophy | timelyx dont u ever sleep |
| 13:45.53 | timeless | while you aren't watching :) |
| 13:47.02 | Xtrophy | does he do bad things while he sleeping |
| 13:47.07 | Tak | he doesn't know about the live webcam yet |
| 13:47.28 | Xtrophy | ow |
| 13:47.44 | Xtrophy | O_o |
| 13:48.30 | truls | speaking of cams, anything fun you can do with the camera on the n800, anyone written any fun apps for it? |
| 13:48.40 | truls | like print-club stuff, or something? |
| 13:49.51 | Xtrophy | timelyx they r asking o u :P |
| 13:49.58 | Xtrophy | to* |
| 13:49.59 | Tak | actually, I was wondering if anybody had gotten around to writing an app that averaged N frames from the camera for a better-quality still |
| 13:50.46 | Xtrophy | N X Y theese are serious variables... Its looks hard idk. |
| 13:52.01 | truls | ack, i just need a spreadsheet to enter some dates and times and descriptions into... |
| 13:52.27 | truls | 90s |
| 13:52.58 | rghosh | Tak: not sure if that wouldn't just make a blurry image? |
| 13:53.12 | rghosh | odd that camera stuff that works on the n800 with os2007 doesn't with os2008 |
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| 13:53.19 | truls | rghosh: i'd hope you'd place the n800 on a stable surface first |
| 13:53.41 | db48x | you don't even have to do that |
| 13:53.47 | timeless | truls: docs.google.com? :) |
| 13:54.10 | truls | timeless: hm... actually that might work, but would prefer to have my data local |
| 13:54.16 | db48x | it's not hard to compose several images from an uncalibrated and unstable camera, you can download software to do it |
| 13:54.55 | rghosh | interesting |
| 13:55.23 | rghosh | i would have thought even initiating the task through touch screen or built-in button would impart a small amount of motion to the camera |
| 13:55.29 | rghosh | i don't see the point in doing it remotely |
| 13:55.38 | rghosh | can't be that hard up for a digital camera? |
| 13:56.57 | db48x | http://www.eyetap.org/research/comparametrics.html |
| 13:57.23 | rghosh | curious that this video recording gstreamer pipeline command (runnable from the command line) works in os2007 but not os2008 (same device): 19:24 |
| 13:57.23 | rghosh | gst-launch-0.10 gconfv4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144 ! tee name=tee ! hantro4200enc ! avimux name=mux ! filesink location=test.avi { dsppcmsrc ! queue ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=1,rate=8000 !audioconvert ! mux. } { tee. ! video/x-raw-yuv ! xvimagesink sync=false } 19:24 |
| 13:57.23 | rghosh | if i change "video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144" to "video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=\(fraction\)8/1", it doesn't crash, but it still doesn't work |
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| 13:58.03 | truls | ah, got gnumeric set up on the n800 |
| 13:58.04 | truls | yay |
| 13:58.06 | db48x | scroll down to the image |
| 13:58.20 | db48x | truls: I just use a text file to keep track of hours |
| 13:58.28 | db48x | forget giant spreadsheet programs |
| 13:58.41 | rghosh | so they have tripods for n800s? :) |
| 13:58.45 | rghosh | still don't see the point, frankly |
| 13:58.55 | db48x | rghosh: tripods? |
| 13:58.59 | rghosh | um yeah |
| 13:59.01 | rghosh | for a stable shot |
| 13:59.06 | db48x | nah |
| 13:59.17 | rghosh | without a tripod, |
| 13:59.25 | rghosh | you wouldn't get that shot in the example |
| 13:59.33 | db48x | which example? |
| 13:59.36 | rghosh | out of sequential shots |
| 13:59.59 | rghosh | the "plurality of images" |
| 14:00.03 | rghosh | from http://www.eyetap.org/research/comparametrics.html |
| 14:00.17 | rghosh | without a tripod, the "plurality of images" would not exactly coincide |
| 14:00.22 | db48x | oh, those were just sequential video frames from a hand held camera |
| 14:00.29 | db48x | that's the point |
| 14:00.37 | db48x | they don't have to exactly coincide |
| 14:01.16 | rghosh | hmm |
| 14:01.27 | db48x | the same software can handle any motion the camera makes, even if it results in a non-affine transformation of the image |
| 14:01.36 | db48x | (such as rotation of the camera, as in that example) |
| 14:01.37 | rghosh | that was my next question |
| 14:01.53 | rghosh | very good then |
| 14:02.10 | truls | db48x: i don't need a giant thing, but i want tables |
| 14:02.18 | db48x | plus you can take multiple shots without moving the camera, varying the exposure instead |
| 14:02.26 | truls | i could have just made something with a gtk-table widget though, but... |
| 14:02.27 | Xtrophy | Dont click |
| 14:02.29 | db48x | and combine them into a single image with a greater dynamic range |
| 14:02.30 | Xtrophy | its keylogger |
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| 14:03.09 | db48x | truls: what kind of a table? |
| 14:03.14 | rghosh | anyone here actually use that software? |
| 14:03.26 | rghosh | correction from non-affine transformations could possibly suck on the n800's processor |
| 14:03.26 | truls | db48x: like a grid |
| 14:03.33 | db48x | truls: I just do "foo | 1200 | 1500 | blah blah blah" :) |
| 14:03.42 | db48x | rghosh: possibly, possibly :) |
| 14:04.03 | truls | db48x: well, that works, but if i can, i'd rather use a real tabke |
| 14:04.05 | truls | table |
| 14:04.08 | db48x | rghosh: I think that guy was using a P4 in his wearable computer, and it can do it in real time |
| 14:04.17 | db48x | truls: yea |
| 14:04.35 | rghosh | lol nice |
| 14:04.49 | db48x | there are some cool videos on that site |
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| 14:05.04 | Xtrophy | dont be sick |
| 14:05.49 | db48x | http://www.eyetap.org/research/medr/times_square_email.avi |
| 14:07.39 | db48x | http://www.eyetap.org/research/medr/rwm.html |
| 14:09.01 | truls | alterego: you working on a todo-app now? |
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| 14:09.17 | alterego | truls, no. Doing real work ;) |
| 14:09.20 | db48x | I should just turn around and go right back to bed |
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| 14:09.45 | truls | alterego: heh, right |
| 14:10.51 | Xtrophy | j/list |
| 14:14.30 | truls | ack, seems the gnumeric doesn't register any filetypes with hildon.. |
| 14:14.43 | truls | and can't even use it to open up an unregistered file |
| 14:14.50 | unique311 | flash for the device is not picking up that i have a camera on the device. Is it possible to make it pick up that the device has a camera? |
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| 14:15.10 | unique311 | or is this linux in general. |
| 14:15.27 | unique311 | flash for linux limitation. |
| 14:16.15 | unique311 | can someone running linux on a desktop see if flash pick up the webcam |
| 14:16.17 | unique311 | ? |
| 14:17.12 | sp3000 | truls: how is a script to poll the nokia.co.uk product list not a todo-app ;) |
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| 14:20.06 | czr | sp3000, pronounced: squeeel |
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| 14:20.22 | czr | the sound that server makes |
| 14:21.01 | truls | odd, gnumeric opens my document fine from commandline, both if i pass the filename as regular path and as URI |
| 14:21.03 | sp3000 | hrm, I was hoping I could run this query in less than an hour :\ |
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| 14:21.11 | czr | sp3000, no indices? |
| 14:21.16 | truls | but will not open it if i doubleclick my document, then select gnumeric to run it |
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| 14:21.32 | sp3000 | it's a bit convoluted |
| 14:22.24 | czr | sp3000, I can imagine. has to do something with maemo, right? would explain :-) |
| 14:22.35 | sp3000 | heh |
| 14:23.04 | czr | was talking with some admins from "slightly larger" environment. they're using rrdtool a lot |
| 14:23.13 | czr | only rrdtool is crap. when you have a lot of rrds |
| 14:23.35 | czr | so they ended up buying 32 GiB RAM to the host that updates the rrds and keep all of the rrds on ramfs |
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| 14:23.47 | czr | and then once a night sync them onto the disk. that's pretty convoluted :-) |
| 14:24.09 | czr | so you could solve your problem like that as well :-). Just buy enough RAM to fit all of the DB into RAM. easypeasy. |
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| 14:24.52 | Jaffa | alterego: something like wget -qO- 'http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/default.aspx?culture=en-GB' | grep N810 && echo 'Bingo!' - you mean? |
| 14:25.37 | alterego | Jaffa, yeah. Something like that ;) |
| 14:25.43 | czr | echo Bingo would be easier though |
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| 14:26.18 | truls | hm, ah, so when filemanager opens a program to run a file, it doesn't pass the filename as a parameter? |
| 14:26.27 | alterego | Good afternoon czr. |
| 14:26.44 | alterego | truls, it doesn't? |
| 14:26.51 | alterego | :) |
| 14:27.03 | czr | hey alterego |
| 14:27.03 | _Monkey | or working on a Ruby todo app |
| 14:27.16 | alterego | Eh? |
| 14:27.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:27.28 | czr | monkey recognizes you :-) |
| 14:27.30 | alterego | Why is my name associated with a Ruby todo app :P |
| 14:28.06 | alterego | brb |
| 14:30.24 | czr | uh.. what.. where.. |
| 14:30.32 | truls | alterego: well, my app didn't receive anything in sys.argv (python-app) when choosing it as a runner for an unregistered file |
| 14:30.38 | Khertan_TheReal | alterego > lol |
| 14:30.48 | truls | or do you have to register how it runs files somehow? |
| 14:31.09 | unique311 | Only ALSA is supported for microphone input and speaker output, and only Video4Linux v1 is supported for camera input. |
| 14:31.22 | unique311 | camera on the n800 should work then? |
| 14:33.04 | pupnik_ | so how are sales of N810s doing in USA? sold out? |
| 14:33.07 | unique311 | n800 vl42, should i write to the flash guys, and tell them to up the support to version 2 |
| 14:35.15 | unique311 | oh... |
| 14:35.36 | unique311 | ustreamtv and blogtv |
| 14:36.15 | alterego | Sounds rubbish :P |
| 14:36.23 | unique311 | wow |
| 14:36.29 | alterego | Who'd want to see your ugly face talking on a blog :P |
| 14:36.40 | unique311 | ok. |
| 14:36.54 | unique311 | you are a crack baby. |
| 14:37.11 | alterego | I think it was LSD actually |
| 14:37.18 | unique311 | same difference |
| 14:37.46 | db48x | yea, I don't want to have to deal with real content in video form until videos are as easily searchable as text |
| 14:38.18 | db48x | funny youtube videos are different though |
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| 14:39.08 | unique311 | i know thoughtfix blogged on this once. I guess it would only benefit those who video blog. |
| 14:40.01 | unique311 | but thats open source, you want a feature, better hope a developer wants that feature also, or you are SOL |
| 14:40.35 | unique311 | O_0 |
| 14:41.22 | unique311 | a linux thang |
| 14:42.04 | derf | No, you can pay for a feature to be developed. |
| 14:42.16 | unique311 | pay |
| 14:42.19 | derf | Just like you do for any proprietary software. |
| 14:42.40 | unique311 | isn't flash free. |
| 14:42.42 | derf | Except you wind up with much more at the end. |
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| 14:43.13 | db48x | flash isn't free |
| 14:43.25 | unique311 | why would i need to pay for the feature to be added, which might be working, but just not on the n800 mind you. |
| 14:43.30 | db48x | zero monetary cost to the consumer, maybe |
| 14:43.33 | derf | I think you are very confused. |
| 14:44.11 | unique311 | i might be, so enlighten me. |
| 14:44.54 | unique311 | so who needs to pay who in order to get that flash camera feature to work on the N800? |
| 14:45.04 | timeless | unique311: the flash team couldn't manage to get camera working. they know, there's a bug. i bug them quarterly. |
| 14:45.12 | unique311 | cool |
| 14:45.16 | unique311 | thanks timeless. |
| 14:45.29 | timeless | unique311: out of curiosity, did you find the bugs.maemo.org report? |
| 14:45.48 | Jaffa | unique311: why, in open source, do I need a developer to need it too? This is exactly the case with closed source software too: if you can't develop it yourself, someone needs to do it for you. |
| 14:45.57 | unique311 | i just google, adobe flash linux camera support |
| 14:46.03 | unique311 | didn't bother with the bugs |
| 14:46.11 | timeless | as for whom to bribe, it's basically either adobe or unmentionables |
| 14:46.27 | derf | Jaffa: That was exactly my point. |
| 14:46.28 | db48x | Jaffa: yea, but flash isn't open source, so none of that helps him |
| 14:46.43 | derf | db48x: Well, he was criticizing open source. |
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| 14:47.09 | db48x | ah, I missed that |
| 14:47.25 | derf | 09:40:00 < unique311> but thats open source, you want a feature, better hope a developer wants that feature also, or you are SOL |
| 14:47.27 | db48x | unique311: yea, you can't blame this bug on the open source development process, since flash isn't open source |
| 14:47.34 | unique311 | hey don't copy and paste me. |
| 14:47.38 | unique311 | ;) |
| 14:47.42 | derf | I have no advice for his specific situation. |
| 14:47.53 | db48x | I do. don't use flash. :) |
| 14:47.54 | derf | Other than bug timeless, which seems to be working. |
| 14:48.03 | timeless | please learn to search the bug database |
| 14:48.09 | timeless | you do get points for using google |
| 14:48.10 | unique311 | would saying LINUX be better than saying open source? |
| 14:48.22 | timeless | but you get a few more points for also checking the bug database :) |
| 14:48.22 | derf | unique311: No. Linux is open source. |
| 14:48.29 | db48x | unique311: no, because flash isn't part of linux |
| 14:48.30 | unique311 | ok. |
| 14:48.31 | timeless | linux is a mess :) |
| 14:48.37 | czr | linux is a kernel! |
| 14:48.38 | unique311 | i suck then, is that cool with ya'll |
| 14:48.45 | czr | the kernel is a mess though, but that's different. |
| 14:48.47 | db48x | timeless: it's our mess though |
| 14:48.52 | derf | You might be able to say, "It's a software thing." |
| 14:49.02 | czr | or "It's not hardware. kind of" |
| 14:49.06 | derf | Flash is, in fact, software. |
| 14:49.08 | unique311 | derf, i'll take it. |
| 14:49.12 | czr | seeing as most hardware works via firmware anyway |
| 14:49.22 | derf | And you have the same problem with _all_ software features. |
| 14:49.42 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 14:50.11 | db48x | unique311: no, you don't suck. you merely haven't learned all that you need to learn yet |
| 14:50.50 | czr | db48x, does one ever actually reach that point? |
| 14:51.03 | Jaffa | Hmm, personal pronoun mixage. |
| 14:51.05 | derf | Jaffa: Join the club. |
| 14:51.15 | unique311 | Jaffa, that confused me. |
| 14:51.36 | rafl | what's a sensible value for /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout if you're having problems with the default (200)? |
| 14:51.40 | unique311 | also am confused for being addressed about making that open source statement. |
| 14:51.52 | unique311 | and then addressed in saying i sucked for doing so. |
| 14:51.53 | Jaffa | czr: Fortunately, I've both learnt and forgotten enough of that to be useful enough in it to know to not do it again (unless in specific rare circumstances) |
| 14:52.03 | czr | unique311, take it like a man :-) |
| 14:52.10 | Jaffa | rafl: I've heard 1000 mentioned |
| 14:52.15 | derf | unique311: The idea is very important. You do _not_ have to be a developer to take advantage of the source code available with open source. |
| 14:52.22 | czr | Jaffa, I know the feeling too well :-) |
| 14:52.33 | derf | And I don't recall saying anyone sucked. |
| 14:52.37 | czr | Jaffa, but you can use the book to light a fire when in dire straits |
| 14:52.50 | Jaffa | czr: ah, good plan :) |
| 14:53.04 | unique311 | well i said i sucked, but then was told i don't. |
| 14:53.13 | czr | Jaffa, I keep all my MS techrefs still handly. 1 meter of microsoft manuals can't be bad when the nuclear winter hits. |
| 14:53.14 | unique311 | and needed to learn. |
| 14:53.17 | rafl | Jaffa: will I need to restart after changing that value? |
| 14:54.30 | Jaffa | rafl: given it's a /sys value, I assume not (it'd reset on boot AIUI) |
| 14:54.50 | derf | unique311: Well, I'll just say your hopes have a much better chance of being fulfilled when you hand a developer money. |
| 14:55.01 | derf | It's amazing how that can align someone else's interests with your own. |
| 14:55.13 | czr | derf, so true. |
| 14:56.01 | unique311 | guess labor is not part of the free |
| 14:56.16 | unique311 | I didn't think of that. |
| 14:56.20 | derf | Free means freedom. |
| 14:56.29 | derf | You are free to pay anyone you want to do the development. |
| 14:56.31 | czr | unique311, it is sometimes, but it's up to the one doing the labor. you can't demand anyone to do anything for free. or rather you can, but it'll be fruitless. |
| 14:56.45 | derf | Which is _not_ true with closed source. |
| 14:57.09 | unique311 | no demanding here, What about asking really nicely. |
| 14:57.49 | unique311 | and pointing out all the individuals that would be happy in the developers accomplishments. |
| 14:58.05 | derf | For some people that's enough. |
| 14:58.17 | unique311 | hope is still alive. |
| 14:59.06 | derf | Finding a few dozen like-minded users willing to chip in a few bucks for a bounty might be more successful. |
| 14:59.19 | timeless | opensource means money can talk |
| 14:59.35 | timeless | closedsource sometimes means you need to hire a lawyer to find someone who will listen |
| 15:01.55 | unique311 | derf, SOL with that one. |
| 15:02.15 | unique311 | thoughtfix besides me, is the only other individual i know of that brung up that issue. |
| 15:02.27 | unique311 | and he's probably over it. |
| 15:02.32 | derf | Well, it's really hard to get anything done in the software world without economies of scale. |
| 15:02.40 | Jaffa | But it's irrelevant anyway, since a bounty won't work as it's closed source :) |
| 15:03.06 | derf | If you're not leveraging the fact that the marginal cost of each additional unit is near-zero, the fixed costs will kill you. |
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| 15:04.49 | unique311 | thanks everybody, i'll make sure next time i check maemo bugs, before i come in here starting S!$@ |
| 15:04.57 | WillySilly | what gtk version does 2007HE use? |
| 15:05.00 | unique311 | but i did learn alot. |
| 15:06.16 | alterego | It's all about the layerz |
| 15:06.37 | alterego | God damnit, I don't like how xchat fixes my purposeful typos. |
| 15:07.01 | derf | WillySilly: I would assume 2.6, like the others, but I haven't used 2007HE specifically. |
| 15:13.43 | red-zack | i want to code some python things with my 770, are the packages for available? |
| 15:14.02 | fysa | where is xchat for OS2K8? |
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| 15:14.37 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 15:14.37 | _Monkey | i heard repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 15:16.33 | fysa | I should have known to check 'Maemo hakers' ;) |
| 15:17.16 | Tak | alterego: Settings-Advanced-AutoReplace |
| 15:17.29 | Tak | you don't want the Maemo-hackers one |
| 15:17.32 | alterego | :) |
| 15:17.45 | alterego | This is XChat on my workstation not tablet ;) |
| 15:17.53 | red-zack | python support for 770? |
| 15:17.56 | alterego | But thanks for the tip |
| 15:18.06 | ajenna | I wanna use internet via bluetooth on my Nokia n73 |
| 15:18.16 | ajenna | but I do not know how |
| 15:18.29 | ajenna | n somebody help here |
| 15:18.30 | Tak | alterego: same menus |
| 15:18.30 | ajenna | ??? |
| 15:18.36 | Tak | the second comment was to fysa actually |
| 15:18.48 | red-zack | ajenna: bloetooth connection to your "modem" |
| 15:18.54 | Tak | fysa: https://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat |
| 15:18.56 | alterego | Has no one done internet connectivity how tos? |
| 15:19.10 | red-zack | ajenna: you need to configure it before |
| 15:19.21 | fysa | do I need libdbus hackery for that to work? |
| 15:19.23 | alterego | People coming here and asking is getting old fast .. |
| 15:20.13 | ajenna | how can I configure it ? |
| 15:20.42 | fysa | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
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| 15:21.27 | fysa | wish there was an easy way to copy from desktop and paste to maemo |
| 15:22.13 | Tak | aha |
| 15:22.53 | fysa | actually. I think it's time to try to get synergy working. |
| 15:23.08 | fysa | I'm pretty sure it supports copy/paste. |
| 15:23.13 | WillySilly | derf: so 2007 or 2008 dont use 2.8 or 2.10? |
| 15:23.49 | derf | WillySilly: 2008 uses 2.10, I believe. |
| 15:24.12 | WillySilly | derf: ah |
| 15:24.46 | Khertan_TheReal | 2007 use 2.6 |
| 15:24.52 | WillySilly | derf: I only ask because Metasploit's gtk gui wants 2.10, I was pretty sure 2007 didnt use it, but I wasnt sure |
| 15:25.58 | sp3000 | red-zack: ooi, where's it say modem? |
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| 15:26.52 | red-zack | tablet->phone(modem)->inet |
| 15:28.22 | sp3000 | then again I haven't seen os2007 in english lately |
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| 15:30.03 | sp3000 | oh, left |
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| 15:34.26 | fysa | ahh, glorious xchat |
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| 15:49.26 | lopz | hola |
| 15:51.25 | pupnik | thank god music isn't totally dead-ended. DubStep is a pretty nice new style |
| 15:51.30 | pupnik | oop wrong chan |
| 15:51.42 | jumpula | no problem. it was nice to know this :) |
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| 15:53.55 | zoran | pupnik, close to portishead? |
| 15:55.03 | pupnik | zoran: portishead was like 10 years ago - popularized 'trip hop' |
| 15:55.22 | pupnik | dubstep is a bit of that, a bit of dub, a bit of breakbeat in there |
| 15:55.48 | zoran | I prefer Jefferson Airplane or Grateful Dead |
| 15:56.21 | zoran | or Nick Cave last grindermen |
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| 15:57.51 | roue | hola |
| 15:57.51 | _Monkey | hello, roue |
| 15:58.13 | roue | quick, stupid question for a new n800 own (OS2008). How do I put this thing to sleep without shutting it down? |
| 15:58.15 | roue | thanks. |
| 15:59.17 | Jaffa | roue: 1) you don't; 2) you just lock the screen; 3) in OS2007 you could enable a "soft power-off" mode- this is currently broken in OS2008 AIUI |
| 15:59.59 | zoran | sounds strange |
| 16:00.44 | roue | Jaffa -- lock the screen and then the display stays on till it times out (1 minute currently) ? |
| 16:00.59 | roue | is there a way to lock the screen without hitting the tiny recessed power button? |
| 16:01.19 | roue | (I'm having a little trouble hitting the button -- fingers too big) |
| 16:01.44 | procto | roue: just enable offline mode, and then lock the screen |
| 16:01.54 | procto | enabling offline mode is going to save you a lot of battery |
| 16:02.50 | roue | okay, thanks. I think I see how to do both of those things. |
| 16:03.17 | zoran | if I get it correctly, no "shutdown -h now" ? |
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| 16:08.49 | |tbb| | anyone knows if maemomapper runs stable with detail mode 3 enabled? |
| 16:09.37 | oil | is there an collection of apt-sources.lists which would be good to use with os2008? |
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| 16:10.39 | geoffeg | ok, yea, i can see how the new firmware rocks.. but.. Dear God, Nokia, include a "mark all feeds as read" in the RSS reader |
| 16:10.54 | geoffeg | with 50 feeds i don't always want to read them all |
| 16:11.38 | geoffeg | Is the RSS reader open source too? |
| 16:11.49 | niteOwl2 | Good Q. Anyone know? |
| 16:11.57 | geoffeg | Cause I need to add that. |
| 16:13.42 | procto | geoffeg: what's in the new firmware? |
| 16:13.45 | procto | I'm resisting upgrading |
| 16:14.28 | geoffeg | procto: First off everything just feels snappier.. it also just looks so much better from an appearance point of view. The UI feels like it was made to be used with your finger more than the stylus. |
| 16:14.56 | geoffeg | procto: A version of what I assume to be navicore is included.. I need to get my SDHC card back from Kingston because the US maps are a 733 MB download. |
| 16:15.15 | procto | oh, cool |
| 16:15.30 | procto | can it run os2007 soft? |
| 16:15.36 | procto | specifically, I want mplayer |
| 16:15.40 | geoffeg | procto: It's the first version of the firmware that's strarting to really feel polished and smooth. |
| 16:16.05 | geoffeg | procto: All software written for OS2007 needs to be ported (recompiled mostly) for OS2008 |
| 16:16.34 | procto | ah |
| 16:16.44 | procto | I don't have a linux machine at home right now |
| 16:16.58 | procto | so I'm going to hold off on upgrading for a bit longer |
| 16:17.25 | Jaffa | procto: you shouldn't need to go into offline mode unless you have something which is keeping connections active and doing regular pings |
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| 16:17.51 | geoffeg | procto: Most of the important apps (Pidgin, FBReader, etc) are already ported. |
| 16:17.54 | procto | Jaffa: oh, I do :> |
| 16:18.02 | sKaBoy | geoffeg, there are sources for osso-rss-feed-reader (and applet) on repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/ |
| 16:18.15 | procto | Jaffa: I don't usually bother. I'm connected most of the time. |
| 16:18.27 | geoffeg | sKaBoy: great, i might hack that to improve the RSS reader and make it more NetNewsWire like |
| 16:18.32 | procto | Jaffa: but when I want to save some battery while I'm doing something else, I go offline |
| 16:19.18 | procto | ah, LXDoom is ported to os2008 |
| 16:19.22 | procto | most important app :> |
| 16:19.47 | geoffeg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.29 | |tbb| | no1 using maemo-mapper ? |
| 16:25.23 | unique311 | hey who was around for my little flash rant earlier |
| 16:25.42 | unique311 | timeless, BUSY? |
| 16:26.14 | pupnik | flash is like dog farts :) |
| 16:26.38 | unique311 | i think i have some good info on why the camera is not being picked up. |
| 16:27.12 | unique311 | i browsed to barcodepedia and when i clicked on allow flash to access whatever it wants to. |
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| 16:27.43 | unique311 | the message i get back states Access to webcam is disallowed by user. |
| 16:28.32 | Khertan_TheReal | <procto> most important app :> > pfffff nawak ! the most important is Quake ! |
| 16:28.33 | Khertan_TheReal | :) |
| 16:28.45 | unique311 | but then, how does the user have access to webcam when the gmail chat program is being used. |
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| 16:29.07 | unique311 | also gizmo |
| 16:29.10 | geoffeg | Would anyone find a desktop widget that allows you to track packages (fedex, UPS, etc) usefull? |
| 16:30.02 | Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg > useless for me ... their tracking are always 3 or 4 day late |
| 16:30.26 | roue | unique311 maybe check to find the /dev entry for the camera. It may be that the read/write permissions need to be changed. |
| 16:30.28 | geoffeg | Khertan_TheReal: USPS's tracking sucks but Fedex and UPS seem fairly up-to-date |
| 16:30.35 | Khertan_TheReal | for example my n800 was tracking as registered :) and i ve it in my hand :) |
| 16:30.44 | roue | probably /dev/video0 if it's anything like a desktop linux v4l device. |
| 16:30.44 | bill20r3 | geoffeg, that'd be neat. |
| 16:30.59 | unique311 | let me check |
| 16:31.05 | bill20r3 | save me the constant reloading. |
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| 16:31.33 | Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg > not a lot in france :) it s depends mainly on locals succursales |
| 16:31.52 | unique311 | i see video0 |
| 16:32.07 | geoffeg | Khertan_TheReal: Does France have their own private package delivery companies that are similar to UPS and Fedex? |
| 16:32.41 | Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg > their is a public too ... nammed 'laposte' or 'chronopost'... but it worse :) |
| 16:32.48 | Khertan_TheReal | it s worse |
| 16:32.54 | unique311 | roue user has access to the dev, gizmo and the chat app that comes installed with the device is started by user |
| 16:32.57 | geoffeg | Khertan_TheReal: ok.. well.. a package tracking app for Real Countries :) |
| 16:33.00 | oil | geoffeg: ask the companies to suppor rss-feed |
| 16:33.17 | Jaffa | unique311: the error reporting could well be very broken and/or related to the bug which timeless mentioned |
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| 16:34.11 | Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg> for infos if you want to add it : http://www.us.chronopost.com/web/en/ |
| 16:34.45 | roue | unique311 yep, that looks to be the case on mine too. |
| 16:35.34 | geoffeg | Khertan_TheReal: The most likely way I'd do it is to have a server-side component I run and then have the applet pull from a simple interface on that server. |
| 16:35.42 | geoffeg | Khertan_TheReal: to keep the applet as simple as possible |
| 16:35.47 | timeless | ok, so um |
| 16:35.52 | timeless | unique311: as it happens |
| 16:35.59 | timeless | camera support can be done by someone other than us |
| 16:36.05 | timeless | it's in a library which theoretically is open source |
| 16:36.22 | unique311 | but it looks like support is there already. |
| 16:36.43 | unique311 | timeless, browse to this url with the tablet |
| 16:36.46 | unique311 | http://parentnode.org/flash/easy-to-embed-webcam-based-barcode-scanner-in-flash/ |
| 16:36.54 | timeless | if i were to place a guess, i'd say it's probably http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/libflashsupport/ |
| 16:37.14 | timeless | unique: sorry, i have a headache |
| 16:37.18 | unique311 | i just check the bugs on maemo, looks more like a request from thoughtfix |
| 16:37.23 | timeless | i just spent an hour collecting people to translate 1 sentence |
| 16:37.26 | Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg > it s the best way |
| 16:37.29 | timeless | and then notepad ate my translation |
| 16:37.32 | unique311 | np |
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| 16:40.01 | unique311 | 1889 is a request. |
| 16:40.28 | geoffeg | so who wants to buy me an N95? |
| 16:40.31 | geoffeg | GIVE ME |
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| 16:41.46 | timeless | geoffeg: send me 1kEUR via paypal and i'll buy you an n95 |
| 16:42.02 | unique311 | so yeah, jaffa no bug just a request and the other bug that showed up on the search doesn't deal with flash. |
| 16:42.03 | geoffeg | timeless: no no, you've got it all wrong.. you want to give me one.. for free |
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| 16:43.07 | chx | anyone compared the N810 to the E90? I know , E90 is not Linux but functionality-wise (keyboard, gps...) looks similar? |
| 16:43.43 | timeless | chx: i tried selling an n810 to someone planning to buy an e90 :) |
| 16:43.50 | timeless | still not sure which way the guy is going :) |
| 16:43.52 | CosmicRay | hi folks. I've got an N810 here, OS2008. I've installed openssh-server and am trying to figure out how to set a password for the user or root account to log in. The info on the wiki (root password "rootme") doesn't seem to work. And all the other info I've found is for the 770. What's the curren't best way to get root? |
| 16:44.15 | Robot101 | currenot? :) |
| 16:44.27 | inz | Cosmic, enable r&d mode |
| 16:44.27 | Robot101 | s/n't/nt/ |
| 16:44.30 | shackan | the password is "rootme", just don't forget to enable R&D mode |
| 16:44.37 | CosmicRay | ah, ok. |
| 16:44.43 | timeless | ssh doesn't require r&d mode |
| 16:44.50 | CosmicRay | so can I enable R&D mode, change the password, then disable it again? |
| 16:44.56 | CosmicRay | timeless: how have you done it then? |
| 16:45.01 | mgedmin | timeless: do you have a n810, and if so, what's the default root password? |
| 16:45.09 | timeless | rootme |
| 16:45.09 | _Monkey | rootme is probably the default pw? |
| 16:45.18 | mgedmin | people keep saying that it doesn't work for them |
| 16:45.31 | CosmicRay | timeless: I just tried it again, and it does not work. openssh-client here. |
| 16:45.37 | CosmicRay | err, s/client/server/ |
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| 16:46.00 | zoran | CosmicRay, ssh first to localhost |
| 16:46.01 | trenka | root is disabled in production mode now |
| 16:46.01 | timeless | hrm, indeed |
| 16:46.10 | timeless | trenka: why?! |
| 16:46.13 | CosmicRay | zoran: to what user? |
| 16:46.27 | timeless | yeah, it doesn't work |
| 16:46.27 | zoran | root, why not this time |
| 16:46.32 | unique311 | timeless you are the developer for microb? |
| 16:46.41 | timeless | not "the", just "one of" |
| 16:46.43 | chx | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=361766&postcount=5 look at this. I am _totally_ torn. |
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| 16:47.02 | unique311 | how do i start it from the command line? |
| 16:47.03 | trenka | timeless: why it should be enabled& |
| 16:47.04 | trenka | ? |
| 16:47.15 | bill20r3 | yeech |
| 16:47.26 | unique311 | this in in os2008, btw |
| 16:47.27 | timeless | trenka: so that people can get work done? |
| 16:47.35 | CosmicRay | zoran: ssh root@localhost, password rootme, still does not work. |
| 16:47.36 | trenka | timeless: why? |
| 16:47.44 | geoffeg | because i bought the device, i own it, it's mine, so i can do whatever i want with it |
| 16:47.47 | pupnik | what is your use-case for PAMP chx? |
| 16:47.59 | timeless | chx: that's about s60, no? |
| 16:48.08 | zoran | CosmicRay, you get pass prompt? |
| 16:48.28 | CosmicRay | zoran: yess |
| 16:48.30 | chx | pupnik: slide 13 on www.slideshare.net/drumm/ maintaining-your-own-branch-of-drupal-core |
| 16:48.34 | chx | drats |
| 16:48.37 | chx | pupnik: slide 13 on www.slideshare.net/drumm/maintaining-your-own-branch-of-drupal-core |
| 16:48.39 | chx | better. |
| 16:48.41 | timeless | trenka: if i have a user toor w/ uid 0 can i log in using that |
| 16:48.45 | timeless | or do i need to enable r&d mode? |
| 16:48.46 | zoran | CosmicRay, it means app is working correctly |
| 16:48.59 | CosmicRay | zoran: blink? which app? |
| 16:49.00 | pupnik | hmm |
| 16:49.09 | zoran | if the root login was not disabled |
| 16:49.16 | CosmicRay | I already know openssh-server is working because I get the password prompt from another machine |
| 16:49.25 | truls | any chance of programatically (shell or otherwise) opening the filemanager to a certain path? |
| 16:49.32 | trenka | timeless: yes you can |
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| 16:49.43 | zoran | CosmicRay, could you go as "user" |
| 16:49.44 | chx | pupnik: I *need* a device that I can pocket and whenever and wherever I have the urge, I can bang out some Drupal patch. |
| 16:49.59 | timeless | trenka: so it's still root only protection, strange |
| 16:50.02 | CosmicRay | btw is there any source for the 42.19 2008 firmware update other than tablets-dev.nokia.com? It is downloading at 4.8KB/s and crashed after about 50% of the download yesterday |
| 16:50.08 | timeless | ok, so i should just make a very broken package that "fixes" this |
| 16:50.20 | timeless | cosmicray: it's just a kernel update |
| 16:50.21 | zoran | CosmicRay, could you reboot? |
| 16:50.23 | chx | pupnik: N810 and E90 are the candidates, at this moment. nothing else is pocketable. All those flasy Sony UX , OQO whatever are bricks. |
| 16:50.25 | CosmicRay | what is the user password? |
| 16:50.25 | pupnik | ah chx - gotcha |
| 16:50.33 | timeless | find someone who has the whole thing and ask them to split the pieces :) |
| 16:50.36 | henrique | whats the problem with maemo repository? |
| 16:50.37 | mgedmin | trenka: is it that the root account is locked, or is it that openssh-server has PermitRootLogin no? |
| 16:50.50 | pupnik | chx - come on over to the maemo world and make cool stuff with us |
| 16:50.53 | CosmicRay | timeless: well I have had some trouble with the device not powering on properly |
| 16:51.01 | timeless | eww |
| 16:51.09 | CosmicRay | timeless: I could press and hold the power button all I like and nothing happens. 20 minutes later it works fine. |
| 16:51.13 | trenka | mgedmin: easy to check :) |
| 16:51.23 | mgedmin | if you have a n810, yes :-) |
| 16:51.26 | timeless | heh |
| 16:51.32 | CosmicRay | i thought if there was some weird power management trouble going on, might not hurt to try it. |
| 16:51.34 | chx | pupnik: not an effective use of my resources. I am on "wizard" level in Drupal/PHP. It'd be a waste to try to code something else. |
| 16:51.36 | CosmicRay | the update, that is. |
| 16:51.58 | CosmicRay | zoran: you want me to reboot into r&d mode? |
| 16:52.44 | zoran | no, just reboot, if you did something strange on the command prompt |
| 16:52.52 | CosmicRay | I didn't. |
| 16:53.03 | zoran | recently installed openssh? |
| 16:53.04 | pupnik | chx: so do the drupal on N810 |
| 16:53.04 | CosmicRay | all I tried was "passwd user", which told me it wasn't allowed |
| 16:53.11 | CosmicRay | err, make that "passwd" |
| 16:53.29 | zoran | hm! |
| 16:53.40 | chx | pupnik: could be. but. isn't the E90 a better choice... |
| 16:53.50 | mgedmin | CosmicRay: looks like you'll need to enable r&d mode then use sudo gainroot before you can set root's or user's passwords |
| 16:54.02 | mgedmin | CosmicRay: or you could try the becomeroot package, if it's still availabl |
| 16:54.03 | chx | pupnik: I just do not know. |
| 16:54.07 | CosmicRay | ok. |
| 16:54.08 | zoran | cosmicRay, better to try user pass user, if you did it from user space |
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| 16:54.31 | pupnik | chx i duno - i am a biased advocate of linux and the tablets |
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| 16:54.54 | mgedmin | zoran: CosmicRay: you can't set your own password if the account is locked; only root can |
| 16:55.00 | chx | pupnik: I only use Linux since 1993 september |
| 16:55.11 | chx | pupnik: So it's not like I am against it. |
| 16:55.25 | pupnik | :) |
| 16:55.31 | zoran | mgedmin, k, I did it as root on 770 |
| 16:56.07 | chx | ok, so N810 owners, how pocketable it is? |
| 16:56.20 | zoran | but the very first thing would be to go to root |
| 16:56.22 | fysa | is it possible to add custom elements to the hildon 'Open file' browser dialog? |
| 16:56.26 | mgedmin | n800 is reasonanbly pocketable; n810 is a bit smaller |
| 16:56.28 | CosmicRay | also, is there any point to adding http://reposiroty.maemo.org/ to my application manager, if I already have the nokia catalogs and the maemo extras enabled? |
| 16:56.36 | fysa | I'd like to add my nfs mount to the list. |
| 16:56.37 | CosmicRay | mgedmin: fits in my khakis pocket just fine |
| 16:56.41 | CosmicRay | even in the carrying case |
| 16:56.48 | chx | sounds promising |
| 16:56.59 | fysa | little heavy for my shirt pocket |
| 16:57.09 | fysa | looks like I have a single fat tit |
| 16:57.16 | zoran | get 2 |
| 16:57.19 | fysa | or droopy tit rather |
| 16:57.20 | chx | what? shirt pocket? |
| 16:57.21 | fysa | haha |
| 16:57.29 | chx | this sings fits into a shirt pocket?? |
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| 16:57.31 | chx | *thing |
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| 16:57.39 | CosmicRay | chx: yes |
| 16:57.48 | chx | mooo! |
| 16:57.49 | chx | :) |
| 16:57.50 | fysa | which case do you use, cosmic? |
| 16:57.51 | CosmicRay | probably without a lot of room to spare, but it would |
| 16:58.02 | CosmicRay | fysa: just the standard fake-leather one that came with it so far |
| 16:58.07 | CosmicRay | fysa: I just got the device yesterday |
| 16:58.10 | CosmicRay | (n810) |
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| 16:58.12 | fysa | ah |
| 16:58.30 | zoran | cosmic, make a review |
| 16:58.32 | chx | before biting the $500 bullet I would like to run a round with my employer |
| 16:58.41 | chx | that's why i do not yet have one |
| 16:59.00 | CosmicRay | zoran: already writing one |
| 16:59.19 | CosmicRay | I am so happy this thing runs Linux. this is what the Zaurus should have been |
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| 16:59.56 | chx | My usual q. Any tried a full LAMP stack already? |
| 17:00.01 | chx | *Anyone |
| 17:00.20 | db48x | chx: on an n800/n810? |
| 17:00.32 | db48x | why, if I may ask? |
| 17:00.38 | chx | see above |
| 17:00.46 | chx | I am a Drupal coder, through and through |
| 17:00.48 | db48x | a web server on an n800 isn't going to do much |
| 17:00.50 | rafl | any idea what to change when I still have wifi connection problems after trying lots of different values between 0 and 5000 for /system/osso/connectivity/IPA/wlan_sleep_timeout? |
| 17:00.57 | chx | I do not need it to do much. |
| 17:01.08 | zoran | chx, you already have parts of it on device |
| 17:01.11 | chx | I won't run the next google off my tablet :P |
| 17:01.19 | chx | zoran: mysql-server ? |
| 17:01.30 | zoran | on one plain text file |
| 17:01.38 | zoran | sqlite |
| 17:01.38 | _Monkey | sqlite is not interesting because of sql, but because it has figured out transactions, etc. Wouldn't want to reimplement all of that just to avoid sql. :) |
| 17:01.59 | zoran | python/perl |
| 17:02.09 | db48x | that said, there's no reason why apache, mysql and perl would fail to work on the n800/n810 |
| 17:02.20 | zoran | I saw little http daemon in catalog |
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| 17:02.24 | db48x | python is already available, if that's your poison |
| 17:02.25 | philn | hi there |
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| 17:02.36 | procto | I want lighttpd |
| 17:02.49 | procto | for fileserving |
| 17:03.02 | zoran | db48x, python makes me life easier on 770 |
| 17:03.12 | db48x | yea, I bet |
| 17:03.15 | db48x | anything is better than C |
| 17:03.19 | db48x | or even C++ |
| 17:03.45 | chx | I know sqlite is available |
| 17:03.51 | chx | but mysql-server is in ARM Debian |
| 17:04.08 | chx | so compilation is at least possible |
| 17:04.11 | zoran | could be overkill |
| 17:04.25 | chx | it is overkill , so what? |
| 17:04.42 | db48x | you'll probably have to compile apache your self as well |
| 17:04.53 | db48x | but there are no signifigant hurdles, I imagine |
| 17:04.53 | zoran | 770 cannot handle that kind of fun |
| 17:05.12 | db48x | other than the fact that you're going to be running it on a 400Mhz arm cpu |
| 17:05.23 | zoran | not so bad |
| 17:05.25 | chx | I am fine whatever webserver if it runs php. |
| 17:05.41 | chx | oh come on they run mysql-server on an nslu2 |
| 17:05.48 | chx | i can't believe it'll be worse :P |
| 17:05.52 | truls | I am fine whatever webserver as long as php is disabled. |
| 17:06.04 | zoran | that linksys is known to be slow |
| 17:06.07 | chx | lol! |
| 17:06.35 | chx | so who is into getting http://packages.debian.org/etch/mysql-server-5.0/arm/download into an N810 :) |
| 17:06.42 | db48x | truls: nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure |
| 17:06.44 | zoran | some people sursed php for good |
| 17:06.49 | zoran | *cursed |
| 17:07.11 | truls | db48x: very true |
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| 17:24.47 | KirG0FF | Hi. I've just re-flashed my N800 with the OS2008. Looks great. However, I found that most of the applications i used with the OS2007 haven't been ported to the OS2008 yet. What's the major problem porting an app to OS2008? Is it just about recompiling and the app for the new OS, or does it imply actual rewriting some parts of the code? |
| 17:25.22 | fysa | eh. streaming from nfs causes too much of a performance hit .. (13%) |
| 17:25.37 | geoffeg | KirG0FF: Mostly recompiling the app for the new versions of the libs.. Some apps may require slight rewriting |
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| 17:26.22 | KirG0FF | Shall I switch to the new SDK along with the OS update in order to build apps for OS2008? |
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| 17:26.34 | geoffeg | KirG0FF: I believe so. |
| 17:27.27 | trenka | KirG0FF: such thing clever guys check before flashing |
| 17:27.57 | KirG0FF | I just couldn't wait any longer :) |
| 17:27.59 | geoffeg | trenka: Most people have come to expect that OS upgrades/updates won't break their existing apps. :) |
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| 17:29.22 | KirG0FF | I knew I could expect all of my apps to be ported to the new OS. I think I'll recompile the apps I need myself before they appear in the repository. |
| 17:29.30 | mgedmin | geoffeg: then they're not users of nokia internet tablets |
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| 17:30.01 | geoffeg | mgedmin: Apparently :) |
| 17:30.15 | timeless | geoffeg: people are silly |
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| 17:30.25 | geoffeg | timeless: humans.. so stupid! :) |
| 17:30.43 | mgedmin | unreasonable expectations all the time :-) |
| 17:31.18 | geoffeg | Where would this world be without us?... Hmm.. probably not as polluted, etc :) |
| 17:31.44 | timeless | geoffeg: much better |
| 17:32.39 | pupnik | help free software spread to mobile devices. that's a good deed for the world. |
| 17:32.59 | pupnik | it is something you can do |
| 17:36.13 | db48x | no, the world would be a lot worse without us |
| 17:36.17 | db48x | it would be so boring |
| 17:36.21 | timeless | heh |
| 17:36.23 | timeless | how so? |
| 17:36.29 | timeless | you'd have lions and tigers and bears oh my |
| 17:36.32 | timeless | chasing everything |
| 17:36.41 | timeless | some hyenas and leopards and ... |
| 17:36.42 | db48x | only the interactions of sentient beings can have any real meaning |
| 17:36.46 | timeless | plenty of excitement |
| 17:36.58 | db48x | lions and tigers and bears don't compose sonets |
| 17:37.10 | timeless | monkeys might |
| 17:37.13 | unique311 | lol |
| 17:37.14 | db48x | or woo a girl by moonlight |
| 17:37.15 | geoffeg | awesome, my replacement 8GB SD card will be here tomorrow.. Kingston rocks |
| 17:37.21 | timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem |
| 17:37.35 | unique311 | do ya'll really think the world would be much better without us here? |
| 17:37.36 | timeless | The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a particular chosen text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. |
| 17:37.37 | db48x | that has a neccessary precondition that would never be met |
| 17:37.48 | timeless | unique311: yes |
| 17:37.54 | unique311 | wow |
| 17:37.54 | db48x | since obviously there will never be an infinite number of monkeys |
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| 17:38.13 | db48x | much easier to simply have a few humans around to do the interesting things instead |
| 17:38.40 | unique311 | timeless, please tell me you not working on a way to make this a reality. |
| 17:38.59 | alterego | Just because something is infinite doesn't mean that the probility of a very unlikely event is going to happen. It probably wont. |
| 17:39.09 | timeless | no, too busy poisoning the world w/ hardware |
| 17:39.10 | doc|work | what about if an infinite number of monkeys evolved? |
| 17:39.14 | alterego | ~propability .. |
| 17:39.47 | alterego | There are a lot of factors against a monkey writing anything, let alone any shakespear ;) |
| 17:39.58 | db48x | alterego: indeed |
| 17:40.11 | db48x | (unless you count humans as monkeys, which would be odd) |
| 17:40.24 | db48x | odd but not unheard of |
| 17:40.24 | bill20r3 | I count a few of them. |
| 17:40.29 | alterego | You'd need a parallel dimension like "The Planet of the Apes" or something. |
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| 17:40.38 | pupnik | wb lardman |
| 17:40.52 | lardman | hi pupnik |
| 17:41.16 | alterego | Right, that's enough work for me. Not to move on to other things. |
| 17:41.40 | alterego | Namely OS2008 theming :) |
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| 17:42.12 | killfill | hey.. |
| 17:42.23 | killfill | just updated my n800 to os2008.. :) |
| 17:42.31 | alterego | killfill, like it? |
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| 17:43.30 | killfill | its feels very good.. := |
| 17:43.31 | killfill | ) |
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| 17:44.29 | alterego | lardman, poky? |
| 17:44.37 | alterego | lardman, how's PowerVR? |
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| 17:44.53 | lardman | that's what I want the poky image for, matching oabi & gcc versions |
| 17:44.55 | oil | hmm. the os2008 seems to loose my internal sd-card. only boot helps to find it back |
| 17:44.59 | Tak | Even better, there exists some algorithm that translates any work created by a finite number of monkeys into a work that has meaning to humans (e.g. The Complete Works of Shakespeare) |
| 17:45.21 | LinuxApe | Is there an n800 specific channel? |
| 17:45.31 | pupnik | no |
| 17:45.41 | Tak | This is the primate literature channel |
| 17:45.43 | pupnik | well there is #n800 |
| 17:45.54 | db48x | heh |
| 17:46.02 | LinuxApe | okay -- when will os2008 be available for download by n800 users? |
| 17:46.16 | db48x | heh, it already is, after a fashion |
| 17:46.18 | bill20r3 | a beta version is now. |
| 17:46.20 | alterego | Yeah, we should move to #N8X0 and leave those old folks to it. |
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| 17:47.28 | alterego | Very star trek. |
| 17:47.49 | unique311 | lol |
| 17:48.18 | alterego | And no .. I'm not going to do a damn "LARS" theme :P |
| 17:48.45 | Tak | The N2000 will be a time-traveling IT made of liquid metal. Still with no hardware 3d accel. |
| 17:48.53 | Tak | there's already an LCARS theme |
| 17:49.02 | db48x | Tak: haha |
| 17:49.24 | Tak | I wish the doom3 theme project on garage would do a release already |
| 17:50.18 | alterego | Tak, for OS2008? :P |
| 17:50.30 | Tak | for any OS |
| 17:50.30 | alterego | Besides, I've seen it. It's not that great ^_^ |
| 17:50.48 | LinuxApe | One more question - how stable is the beta os2008? |
| 17:51.10 | alterego | LinuxApe, it's perfectly stable. I've not had a single problem with it. |
| 17:51.18 | killfill | there is something with the application manager.. its so slow to download things.. |
| 17:51.33 | killfill | i guess it becouse hight traffic mameo is getting?.. |
| 17:51.40 | kulve | downloads.maemo.org login broken *again*? |
| 17:51.45 | alterego | killfill, that was just yesterday after everyone getting the new image. It was maemo.org being slow not the OS |
| 17:52.02 | alterego | killfill, exactly. Nothing to do with the application manager. |
| 17:52.05 | kulve | alterego: it's still slow |
| 17:52.13 | alterego | It's always slow. |
| 17:52.20 | alterego | But last night it was barely working :P |
| 17:52.21 | killfill | yup.. :( |
| 17:52.23 | kulve | well, now it's *slow* |
| 17:52.50 | killfill | want to install ukmp.. python an all that stuf.. big fishes.. :P |
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| 17:53.13 | timeless | ok, help |
| 17:53.14 | killfill | i had to actually download the image from bitorrent..:P |
| 17:53.17 | timeless | i need people who speak languages |
| 17:53.20 | db48x | what's different between the beta os2008 for the n800 and the os2008 for the n810? |
| 17:53.26 | db48x | timeless: I speak a language! |
| 17:53.26 | lardman | Any Nokians about who can give us a clue about N800 hardware revisions?: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12303 |
| 17:53.44 | unique311 | i also speak languages |
| 17:53.58 | timeless | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg&hl=en |
| 17:54.15 | timeless | lardman: there's an internal table that documented a couple of those |
| 17:54.22 | killfill | i hate gcompris.. why does it has so many packages.. ? |
| 17:54.45 | lardman | timeless: 1301 and 1302 have been seen in the wild, but I was just wondering what the later numbers are |
| 17:56.21 | alterego | More bugs .. |
| 17:56.34 | timeless | lardman: help me find translations for this string and i'll look into it |
| 17:56.38 | lardman | timeless: that google spreadsheet doesn't work for me |
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| 17:57.11 | timeless | the sad thing is that i was 15/16 done |
| 17:57.17 | timeless | but i made the mistake of trying to save my work |
| 17:57.20 | timeless | lardman: eh? |
| 17:57.26 | timeless | how not? |
| 17:57.32 | lardman | I can't load that page for some reason |
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| 17:58.58 | lardman | might just be my ancient version of Firfox actually.... |
| 17:59.30 | kulve | that requires login too.. |
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| 17:59.51 | timeless | db48x: any idea how to promote viewers to editors? |
| 18:00.15 | db48x | nope |
| 18:00.21 | db48x | first time I've ever used google docs, actually |
| 18:00.31 | db48x | pretty darn nifty though |
| 18:00.35 | timeless | what's your account? |
| 18:00.39 | db48x | db48x@yahoo.com |
| 18:00.56 | doc|work | I'm really liking os2008, much faster, bootup and use, and mail actually works for me |
| 18:01.08 | db48x | I guess you figured it out :) |
| 18:01.28 | Guy810 | Ello there doesn't seem to be any password manager app for maemo or am i missing it thx |
| 18:05.16 | timeless | ok, help, anyone here speak a language other than english? |
| 18:05.28 | derf | Does Japanese count? |
| 18:05.32 | killfill | spanish |
| 18:05.36 | doc|work | what language do you want? |
| 18:05.45 | timeless | spanish counts |
| 18:06.00 | timeless | any langauge supported by os 2007/2008 |
| 18:06.17 | E78C8EE4BABA | does that include the CJK project? |
| 18:06.28 | timeless | you'll need to give me a google docs account so i can make you an editor |
| 18:06.30 | E78C8EE4BABA | nihongo/zhongwen |
| 18:06.35 | timeless | (you can also give it to db48x while i'm sleeping) |
| 18:06.37 | timeless | no |
| 18:06.42 | Tak | can I fix the english ones? |
| 18:06.51 | timeless | tak: please don't |
| 18:07.06 | timeless | tak: if you object to the english ones, stick a comment in the comment field |
| 18:07.23 | db48x | he needs da, es-ES, es-MX, fi, fr, fr-CA, it, nl, no-NO, pt-BR, pt-PT, ru and se-SV |
| 18:07.27 | Tak | comment field? is that column d? |
| 18:07.34 | timeless | no, click "Discuss" |
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| 18:08.08 | timeless | hi keesj :( |
| 18:08.39 | timeless | oh, you're adding the ,? |
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| 18:11.04 | db48x | the google docs chat log desperately needs a scrollbar |
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| 18:12.10 | timeless | yes |
| 18:12.14 | timeless | i cna't find the input field |
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| 18:13.00 | timeless | ok |
| 18:13.11 | timeless | find the td parent of div imMsgsd |
| 18:13.17 | timeless | change its style to height: 400px |
| 18:13.17 | _Monkey | timeless: that doesn't look right |
| 18:13.21 | timeless | then you get a scrollbar |
| 18:13.28 | timeless | and can continue chatting |
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| 18:14.41 | doc|work | hmmm, is there anyway to set claws to flash the cursor key the same way the standard mail app does, then disable the standard mail app? |
| 18:14.56 | db48x | timeless: heh |
| 18:15.06 | db48x | timeless: I've just been tabbing down to the input box |
| 18:19.19 | pupnik | if anyone is bored, do some docu for oprofile usage and examples kthxbai |
| 18:21.21 | fysa | expect spam, db48x |
| 18:21.30 | fysa | I believe this channel is logged and indexed by google |
| 18:21.41 | timeless | it is |
| 18:22.27 | db48x | I get a lot of spam as it is, I won't notice any more |
| 18:22.57 | doc|work | you know what would be handy, if anyone was bored enough. Profiles based on wifi connection. For example, at work there's the n800 uses a specific wifi connection and there's no need to have it lock the screen, while when I'm on the bus without a wifi connection it would be nice if it would lock the screen after a minute. |
| 18:23.22 | doc|work | s/work there's/work |
| 18:26.20 | kaltsi | pupnik: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile ? |
| 18:27.38 | fysa | much better. |
| 18:27.52 | alterego | doc|home, I don't see the benifit in that, |
| 18:28.02 | fysa | volume=10.1:1, cache=4096, framedrop in /home/user/.mplayer/config helps a good deal. |
| 18:29.44 | alterego | The map server is still slow as hell >:( |
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| 18:32.11 | timeless | help? |
| 18:32.18 | alterego | Holap |
| 18:32.50 | timeless | da es-ES fr fr-CA it no-NO pt-BR pt-PT ru |
| 18:32.55 | timeless | need translations for htose |
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| 18:33.10 | Tak | I'll do the es-ES if cbiesinger isn't |
| 18:34.31 | timeless | biesi's german |
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| 18:34.38 | alterego | I'm useless at any other language :) |
| 18:35.15 | _berto_ | what do you need to translate? |
| 18:35.27 | timeless | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg&hl=en# |
| 18:35.34 | timeless | basically one sentence |
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| 18:37.18 | _berto_ | column C? |
| 18:37.52 | db48x | _berto_: yes |
| 18:38.53 | lardman | Where is the qemu installed that scratchbox uses? |
| 18:39.12 | _berto_ | for pt-PT you can use the same as pt-BR |
| 18:39.19 | lardman | ah, it's in one of the devkits, good good |
| 18:39.29 | _berto_ | maybe change 'esperando' for 'a esperar' |
| 18:39.42 | _berto_ | which is more common in Portugal |
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| 18:40.25 | db48x | _berto_: go ahead and make that change :) |
| 18:40.41 | timeless | db48x: they need invites, which is painful |
| 18:40.49 | milhouse | _monkey translate to portuguese what do you need translated? |
| 18:40.51 | _Monkey | milhouse: que voc necessita traduzido? |
| 18:40.57 | milhouse | Marks out of 10 for _Monkey? :) |
| 18:40.57 | db48x | ah, I guess timeless already did it |
| 18:41.15 | _berto_ | it's already translated for portuguese :) |
| 18:41.25 | _berto_ | já está feito ;) |
| 18:41.37 | timeless | ok, that leaves da fr fr-CA it no-NO ru se-SV |
| 18:41.50 | milhouse | _monkey translate from portuguese j est feito |
| 18:41.51 | _Monkey | milhouse: j est made |
| 18:41.56 | milhouse | hmmm |
| 18:41.59 | _berto_ | it's already done |
| 18:42.07 | timeless | sorry, i really don't trust bots |
| 18:42.07 | fysa | oddly, -vo xv is faster than -vo n770 on OS2008 for me. |
| 18:42.17 | lardman | milhouse: I'm getting funny symbols in that, perhaps _Monkey is too |
| 18:42.27 | fysa | perhaps not faster, but more likeable. |
| 18:42.30 | _berto_ | it's probably utf-8 |
| 18:42.39 | timeless | it probably *was* utf-8 :) |
| 18:42.49 | sp3000 | at some point |
| 18:42.52 | _berto_ | yes :D |
| 18:43.01 | milhouse | lardman yeah the accents threw him a bit :) |
| 18:43.09 | db48x | heh |
| 18:43.10 | timeless | btw, who speaks spanish here? |
| 18:43.16 | milhouse | _monkey :) |
| 18:43.16 | _Monkey | milhouse: excuse me? |
| 18:43.22 | timeless | the es-ES original text was broken |
| 18:43.23 | milhouse | shut up _monkey |
| 18:43.27 | timeless | we noticed that the first time around |
| 18:43.38 | killfill | whats the default password for root? |
| 18:43.42 | milhouse | rootme |
| 18:43.42 | _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? |
| 18:43.43 | killfill | (for sshing) |
| 18:43.45 | derf | _Monkey: translate from Portuguese já está feito |
| 18:43.47 | _Monkey | derf: jáestámade |
| 18:43.54 | derf | Well, that didn't work, either. |
| 18:43.56 | timeless | killfill: it seems in 2008 you might need to enable r&d mode first |
| 18:43.59 | killfill | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 18:44.04 | timeless | derf: looks better :) |
| 18:44.05 | killfill | r&d mode |
| 18:44.06 | killfill | hm... |
| 18:44.21 | derf | It has nice accents in it, but it's not actually, you know, a translation. |
| 18:44.27 | killfill | i never did that before.. any tips? (i.e. url) |
| 18:44.33 | timeless | google :( |
| 18:44.34 | derf | _Monkey probably isn't running UTF-8, either. |
| 18:44.35 | _Monkey | derf: what? |
| 18:44.46 | derf | Like a fool. |
| 18:44.58 | sp3000 | _Monkey: translate from Portuguese ja esta feito |
| 18:44.59 | _Monkey | sp3000: ja this fact |
| 18:45.09 | _berto_ | not, 'esta' is different from 'está' |
| 18:45.23 | timeless | did i mention i don't trust monkey? :) |
| 18:45.24 | _berto_ | esta => this , está => (he/she/it) is |
| 18:45.44 | sp3000 | yeah, that would be a bit more challenging :) |
| 18:45.48 | _berto_ | :) |
| 18:46.30 | _berto_ | i think that 'deixado de responder' sounds better than 'parado de responder' |
| 18:46.42 | db48x | hmm |
| 18:46.45 | _berto_ | but both are probably ok |
| 18:46.51 | db48x | I wonder how literate my cousin's russian is |
| 18:47.09 | timeless | db48x: i have a bunch of russian speakers here, i can grab them again tomorrow morning worst case |
| 18:47.21 | timeless | (including the one who translated it earlier this evening) |
| 18:47.39 | timeless | the others, especially danish/norwegian are more pressing |
| 18:47.44 | timeless | danish i never got |
| 18:48.20 | db48x | hmm. one of my aunts is Danish |
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| 18:48.29 | _berto_ | also, in es-ES I like 'Pulse OK' better than 'Oprima OK' |
| 18:48.32 | penguinbait | el pollo loco |
| 18:48.36 | _berto_ | Oprima sounds a bit more south-american |
| 18:49.05 | timeless | _berto_ what's your google docs address? |
| 18:49.14 | _berto_ | it's also 'continuar' and not 'continúar' in both es-ES and es-MX |
| 18:49.21 | _berto_ | there's no more changes |
| 18:49.28 | _berto_ | *there're |
| 18:49.30 | _berto_ | :) |
| 18:49.43 | _berto_ | i hadn't reviewed es-ES |
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| 18:50.45 | timeless | yeah pulse was used by the spaniard earlier |
| 18:50.59 | timeless | (and then intentionally not used for mx when we searched for an alternate) |
| 18:51.00 | _berto_ | i think you changed the wrong one |
| 18:51.01 | db48x | I made the s/continúar/continuar/ change |
| 18:51.08 | _berto_ | pulse is for es, oprima for mx |
| 18:51.17 | db48x | heh |
| 18:51.26 | timeless | i think presione is what we picked |
| 18:51.36 | _berto_ | yeah, presione is right too |
| 18:51.48 | _berto_ | it's probably the literal translation for press |
| 18:52.08 | _berto_ | both pulse and presione are right, oprima is right too but it's less usual in spain |
| 18:52.10 | timeless | oprima was used in the help only (oddly) |
| 18:52.16 | timeless | (for mx) |
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| 18:56.29 | CosmicRay | is there a way to look at imap folders other than inbox in the built-in os2008 email program? |
| 18:56.36 | _berto_ | CosmicRay: no |
| 18:56.59 | derf | So in other words, it's totally useless. |
| 18:57.15 | db48x | yea, I was rather annoyed by that |
| 18:57.20 | CosmicRay | sigh. |
| 18:57.25 | CosmicRay | is claws really the only other way to go? |
| 18:57.33 | timeless | you want to use the replacement (modest) |
| 18:57.41 | timeless | the one in 2008 is there because the replacement missed the cut |
| 18:57.46 | timeless | just like opera was in 2007 |
| 18:57.55 | _berto_ | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 18:58.02 | CosmicRay | ah, thanks. |
| 18:58.07 | _berto_ | but it's still in beta stage |
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| 18:58.20 | timeless | yeah well, there's that penalty |
| 18:58.24 | derf | An inbox with 17k messages. This looks promising already. |
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| 18:58.27 | timeless | alternatively, might i suggest gmail? |
| 18:58.46 | CosmicRay | timeless: you mean I should use its web interface? |
| 18:58.51 | _berto_ | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2007/11/23/sometimes-i-dont-need-a-lot-of-words |
| 18:58.52 | timeless | yes |
| 18:58.53 | derf | I have my own webmail, which is what I actually use. |
| 18:59.03 | derf | But webmail is clunky. |
| 18:59.04 | CosmicRay | timeless: in that case, no ;-) |
| 18:59.05 | derf | And slow. |
| 18:59.06 | fysa | how is modest copared to claws? |
| 18:59.07 | _berto_ | instructions on how to build modest |
| 18:59.13 | fysa | .. compared |
| 18:59.14 | pvanhoof | _berto_, advertising our work, you are? :) |
| 18:59.21 | CosmicRay | i hope there's a deb of modest somewhere |
| 18:59.29 | pvanhoof | _berto_, I just committed a branch about the bodystructure stuff |
| 18:59.36 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: I'm advertising your blog man :) |
| 18:59.50 | pvanhoof | yes, but that one is about our work |
| 19:00.09 | pvanhoof | As djcb said, soon we'll all be famous :) |
| 19:00.31 | CosmicRay | pvanhoof: I see your name plastered about in connection with tinymail |
| 19:00.47 | CosmicRay | this sounds interesting. I have been looking for a generic mail framework that sucks less than c-client for ages |
| 19:00.58 | CosmicRay | and I see you support both maildir and imap. |
| 19:01.24 | pvanhoof | CosmicRay, c-client is not bad .. depends on what you are looking for |
| 19:01.41 | CosmicRay | pvanhoof: no maildir support rules it out for many of my projects |
| 19:01.49 | pvanhoof | tinymail is more of a framework that aims to get you in gear quickly, and defines the design and development style a bit more |
| 19:02.17 | CosmicRay | can it be used without the UI layer? |
| 19:02.21 | pvanhoof | c-client is more like etan: all the functions you need, but not really glued together. |
| 19:02.35 | CosmicRay | plus c-client is UW ware, which makes me nervous |
| 19:02.48 | pvanhoof | yes, tinymail can be used without even linking with gtk+ |
| 19:02.55 | CosmicRay | nice. |
| 19:05.06 | CosmicRay | modest does look like it will be nice. |
| 19:05.42 | Sho_ | Oh, I thought Modest was part of ITOS2008. |
| 19:07.05 | timeless | it missed :( |
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| 19:07.15 | CosmicRay | I'm a bit confused about the storage details on the memory panel in os2008. The "device" appears to be a filesystem (flash, I'd hope), but yet so is internal memory card... why are these separate? also, internal memory card seems to be consumed almost entirely by maps. is that normal? |
| 19:07.33 | timeless | cosmicray: yes it's seperate |
| 19:07.40 | timeless | and it depends on your device |
| 19:07.42 | timeless | maps can be 1.5g |
| 19:07.51 | timeless | which will easily consume most of a 2gb fat32 fs |
| 19:07.55 | CosmicRay | but both are flash-based? |
| 19:08.07 | timeless | impl detail |
| 19:08.12 | timeless | the root fs is jffs2 and flash |
| 19:08.12 | CosmicRay | (that is, not RAM) |
| 19:08.19 | timeless | yes not ram |
| 19:08.29 | CosmicRay | ok. so this box actually tells me nothing about RAM. |
| 19:08.33 | timeless | the other one is fat32 and essentially equivalent to a 2gb sd card |
| 19:08.43 | CosmicRay | I got an error from the browser the other day saying that it couldn't open a link because I had too many apps running |
| 19:08.48 | CosmicRay | it was the only one running |
| 19:08.50 | db48x | timeless: what's wrong with mozilla's translations for da, fr, it and ru? |
| 19:08.58 | derf | Is there a particular reason you'd intentionally use fat32? |
| 19:09.16 | timeless | db48x: what's mozilla's text ay? |
| 19:09.19 | timeless | (en) |
| 19:09.26 | derf | At least on something that's not removable, and thus never going to be stuck into a Windows box. |
| 19:09.29 | timeless | afaiu we diverged from the mozilla text |
| 19:09.45 | mgedmin | fat32 for a non-removable flash drive on a linux device? weird |
| 19:09.48 | db48x | oh, right |
| 19:09.56 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.00 | db48x | nevermind then, I was forgetting that part |
| 19:10.08 | CosmicRay | mgedmin: that does sound weird. jffs2 is more flash-friendly |
| 19:10.16 | timeless | mgedmin: *shrug* |
| 19:10.18 | timeless | oh |
| 19:10.21 | timeless | right, so here's the deal |
| 19:10.30 | timeless | when you plug your n810 into a windows pc |
| 19:10.32 | timeless | w/ usb |
| 19:10.44 | timeless | the "cards" become fat32 partitions |
| 19:10.48 | mgedmin | CosmicRay: jffs2 is for raw flash that doesn't do the wear leveling for you |
| 19:10.51 | timeless | and the device goes into some standard raw fisk mode |
| 19:11.08 | derf | Ah, that at least makes some sense. |
| 19:11.08 | mgedmin | hm, that might be a reason -- I suspect the flash firmware that does wear-leveling is optimized for fat |
| 19:11.09 | timeless | whatever it's called, i am currently blanking |
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| 19:11.33 | mgedmin | so obvious... |
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| 19:12.02 | sp3000 | the fi is kind of "is taken and doesn't answer calls" |
| 19:12.05 | sp3000 | but, meh |
| 19:12.35 | timeless | sp3000? |
| 19:12.41 | timeless | youhave edits, change things |
| 19:13.30 | sp3000 | but it's easier to complain than to come up with something reasonable :( |
| 19:13.57 | db48x | the page is taken? |
| 19:14.03 | db48x | like, it's already engaged to someone? |
| 19:15.03 | sp3000 | reserved, etc. |
| 19:15.29 | db48x | same thing |
| 19:15.51 | timeless | as in docs.google won't let you fix it? |
| 19:17.19 | sp3000 | no, docs is fine |
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| 19:17.40 | db48x | timeless: no, he means the finnish translation is a bit oblique |
| 19:17.51 | db48x | 'a script on this page is reserved, and isn't answering your calls' |
| 19:18.09 | timeless | heh |
| 19:18.41 | sp3000 | it's a bit like saying a toilet is busy |
| 19:18.54 | db48x | sounds better if you say it's engaged though |
| 19:18.56 | timeless | heh |
| 19:18.57 | Tak | My toilet is always busy. |
| 19:19.30 | timeless | ok, so... um.. norwegian? |
| 19:19.30 | Tak | so...are we happy with the spanish? |
| 19:19.33 | timeless | i think i have a lead for danish |
| 19:19.42 | timeless | tak: dunno, i got confused w/ all the advice for it |
| 19:20.05 | sp3000 | afaiui busy = varattu as classic phone beepery goes though |
| 19:20.33 | sp3000 | but bysy = reserved are rather equivalent that case |
| 19:20.43 | sp3000 | s/that/in that/ |
| 19:20.53 | db48x | huh |
| 19:20.58 | timeless | tak: i think that for es-ES we should change parado to deixado |
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| 19:21.05 | db48x | I wonder if I even have the right phone number |
| 19:21.05 | timeless | world: does that sound reasonable? |
| 19:21.24 | _berto_ | deixado ? |
| 19:21.24 | sp3000 | also, sql is being confusing again :( |
| 19:21.27 | _berto_ | deixado is pt |
| 19:21.30 | _berto_ | not es |
| 19:21.31 | timeless | oh |
| 19:21.34 | timeless | oops |
| 19:21.36 | timeless | gah |
| 19:21.45 | timeless | too many latins |
| 19:21.47 | _berto_ | :) |
| 19:21.53 | _berto_ | the spanish translations are right |
| 19:21.56 | timeless | ok, was that for both? |
| 19:21.58 | _berto_ | if no one changed them recently |
| 19:22.28 | timeless | ok, so do you want to change to deixado for both pts? |
| 19:22.35 | timeless | and what was your docs acconut? |
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| 19:23.06 | _berto_ | the translations are ok as they are now |
| 19:23.59 | _berto_ | you could change 'parado' -> 'deixado' in pt, but 'parado' is OK too |
| 19:24.17 | Tak | There is no 'parado' in either es |
| 19:24.30 | _berto_ | exactly, es- translations are OK |
| 19:24.37 | timeless | /microb-l10n-0.0.10/l10n/pt-PT/mail/chrome/messenger/filter.properties, |
| 19:24.37 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.14 | _berto_ | i personally like more 'deixado de responder' for pt, but 'parado' is ok |
| 19:25.21 | svu | what is the default root password for openssh server on os2008? |
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| 19:25.42 | timeless | deixado doesn't seem to be used |
| 19:25.50 | timeless | svu: seems that you need to enable r&d mode |
| 19:26.18 | svu | timeless, in os2007 I was able to use root/rootme password? |
| 19:26.28 | svu | why doesnt it work in os2008? |
| 19:26.29 | _berto_ | doesn't seem to be used where? |
| 19:26.40 | inz | svu, and you still can, you just need to have the device in r&d mode |
| 19:26.44 | timeless | in the platform's translations |
| 19:26.50 | Guy810 | Does the 810 have usb host port it seems not |
| 19:26.50 | kulve | inz: or to use ssh-keys |
| 19:26.54 | timeless | i have a source xref for the platform |
| 19:26.58 | timeless | so i can look for individual words |
| 19:27.00 | svu | inz, amazing. in os2007 I did not use that mode :( |
| 19:27.22 | timeless | mgedmin: i don't think it's the server, it's probably pam or something wonky |
| 19:27.30 | kulve | svu: yep, they changed it. I just copied my ssh keys in R&D mode and now I can log in as root in normal mode too |
| 19:27.47 | timeless | personally, i'd probably write a deb that installs an ssh key :) |
| 19:27.54 | db48x | well, I couldn't get my Aunt on the phone, but I sent her an email |
| 19:28.05 | timeless | it's either that or writing a deb that adds a toor user |
| 19:28.15 | svu | kulve, damn:( so, it means - no way to become root at all - without r&d? |
| 19:28.22 | timeless | db48x: she can help for one? |
| 19:28.31 | timeless | svu: application manager can do it |
| 19:28.43 | timeless | write a deb that installs an ssh key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:28.45 | svu | timeless, I mean "shell as root" |
| 19:28.49 | db48x | timeless: yea, danish |
| 19:28.53 | _berto_ | timeless: ok, so leave 'parado' then |
| 19:28.54 | timeless | svu: once there's an ssh key for root |
| 19:28.56 | timeless | you just ssh in |
| 19:28.59 | Guy810 | Install becomeroot another way |
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| 19:29.37 | svu | Guy810, how would I do it? where would I get becomeroot deb? |
| 19:30.53 | Guy810 | svu: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=136#136 |
| 19:32.02 | svu | Guy810, thanks |
| 19:32.43 | Guy810 | Sure |
| 19:33.28 | mgedmin | so, how can I mount a jffs2 image on a laptop? |
| 19:33.42 | mgedmin | mtdram is unable to allocate the 128 megs it needs |
| 19:33.48 | mgedmin | hm, maybe I should kill firefox... |
| 19:35.12 | db48x | heh |
| 19:36.42 | mgedmin | didn't help... |
| 19:36.53 | mgedmin | allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. |
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| 19:37.41 | Khertan | re. ... |
| 19:37.48 | sp3000 | ahh |
| 19:37.54 | Khertan | sorry ... my stupid ubuntu keep disconnect wifi ! |
| 19:38.00 | sp3000 | this is such a rollercoaster ;) |
| 19:38.08 | timeless | ok, so... still suck searching for it :( |
| 19:38.13 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.13 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.34 | timeless | ? |
| 19:38.37 | timeless | what's that mean? |
| 19:38.47 | timeless | oh |
| 19:38.55 | timeless | um, it didn't always do that? |
| 19:39.12 | Khertan | in os2007 only 5 line before and 5 line after was loaded |
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| 19:39.30 | Khertan | in this small thumb keyboard text are |
| 19:39.34 | Lateralus | Are the dbus method for osso-media-server documented somewhere, or is there a good way to discover them? |
| 19:39.36 | Khertan | s/are/area |
| 19:39.37 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=Finger+keyboard |
| 19:39.40 | timeless | is the list of known bugs |
| 19:39.45 | timeless | fairly short list |
| 19:39.59 | timeless | file a bug, include a testcase and steps to reproduce |
| 19:40.08 | timeless | pictures from: |
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| 19:40.39 | timeless | sleep 10; /usr/bin/screenshottool /home/user/MyDocs/.images/unhappy.png |
| 19:40.43 | Khertan | there is a also an other bug when i enter text in xterm with thumbkeyboard ... text is entered two time |
| 19:40.52 | Khertan | this seems not to be listed too |
| 19:41.09 | timeless | that sounds familiar |
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| 19:42.08 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2391 |
| 19:42.12 | Khertan | already exist |
| 19:42.41 | sp3000 | third term: full[- ]?screen :) |
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| 19:43.33 | timeless | oh |
| 19:43.51 | timeless | the bug i was thinking about is that in 2007 the xterm would get the previously used fkb text when you opened fkb |
| 19:43.54 | timeless | which was... fun |
| 19:46.05 | unique311 | way offtopic, but im very proud of my latest photoshop digital painting. http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=247222&stc=1&d=1196077219 |
| 19:47.05 | timeless | annotomically incorrect |
| 19:47.12 | timeless | (or something like that) |
| 19:47.22 | timeless | (that's not a word i can ever recall having tried to spell) |
| 19:47.41 | unique311 | lol |
| 19:47.56 | unique311 | anytomically |
| 19:47.57 | unique311 | i think |
| 19:48.04 | unique311 | shit |
| 19:48.06 | Tak | anatomically |
| 19:48.16 | timeless | anatomically |
| 19:48.23 | timeless | (so says google suggest) |
| 19:48.24 | unique311 | lol |
| 19:48.48 | unique311 | waist wise. |
| 19:48.52 | unique311 | slightly |
| 19:48.56 | inz | uniq, looks like something from GTA Vice City |
| 19:49.04 | unique311 | i'm always off somewhere |
| 19:49.11 | unique311 | does it. |
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| 19:51.03 | unique311 | timeless, where did i go wrong? |
| 19:51.16 | timeless | somewhere around the bust |
| 19:51.19 | unique311 | lol |
| 19:51.26 | timeless | mostly the spine probably |
| 19:51.41 | timeless | it seems to slope backwards improperly |
| 19:52.04 | db48x | maybe that's a corset she's wearing |
| 19:52.08 | timeless | that could actually be a shading issue |
| 19:52.13 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2402 |
| 19:52.46 | timeless | khertan: please don't set tm |
| 19:52.54 | timeless | that's really for someone fixing the bug (or reporting it's fixed) |
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| 19:54.01 | inz | mmh, repository.maemo.org takes me back to modem ages |
| 19:54.06 | Khertan | tm ? |
| 19:54.25 | unique311 | seems similar somewhat http://english.people.com.cn/200409/01/images/0831_A16.jpg |
| 19:54.28 | inz | Khertan, Target Milestone |
| 19:54.50 | Khertan | oups yes ... i ll change this |
| 19:56.08 | timeless | it might be coloring... |
| 19:56.10 | unique311 | my model just has a slight twist. bottom part is not a full side view, but top around the waist is a full side view. |
| 19:56.12 | unique311 | yeah |
| 19:56.13 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.16 | Khertan | arg too late |
| 19:56.48 | timeless | also, the woman in the .cn has much thinner legs |
| 19:56.50 | timeless | which is correct |
| 19:56.58 | timeless | yours are too thick for the midsection |
| 19:57.05 | timeless | (which is barbie thin) |
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| 19:57.38 | timeless | but no, flip back/forward between those two |
| 19:57.39 | unique311 | she's of african descent. |
| 19:58.05 | timeless | that gives her much bigger legs? |
| 19:58.11 | unique311 | hips |
| 19:58.44 | timeless | anyway, it's really the shoulders aren't properly attached |
| 19:59.03 | timeless | it feels like you merged an upright head |
| 19:59.07 | timeless | onto a leaning bust |
| 19:59.16 | timeless | onto an upright torso |
| 20:00.00 | unique311 | learning. thnks fro the feedback |
| 20:00.12 | timeless | proportionally, here torso is much narrower than the other woman's |
| 20:00.25 | timeless | (also her arms are, again, poroportionally) |
| 20:00.49 | timeless | now, if you're saying her arms are malnoruished, that's almost ok |
| 20:00.55 | timeless | but then you need to do something to her legs :( |
| 20:01.33 | timeless | also, the shading on the "right" arm isn't compatible w/ her legs/armpit |
| 20:01.48 | timeless | (too flat?) |
| 20:02.30 | timeless | and for some reason, my eye claims her left earing isn't round |
| 20:02.36 | timeless | and it's not because you turned it |
| 20:02.53 | timeless | it's not properly balanced between top and bottom :) |
| 20:03.10 | timeless | anyway, to everyone who writes ui software... this is pretty much what i do to that too |
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| 20:08.42 | kulve | alterego: btw. I just upgraded my screen grabber. It did work before, even though it didn't show anything, but now it shows couple of banners too.. |
| 20:08.44 | K`zan | LOL |
| 20:09.10 | inz | kulve, is it better than mine? |
| 20:09.26 | kulve | inz: dunno. What's yours? :) |
| 20:09.36 | alterego | kulve, much better ;) |
| 20:09.44 | inz | kulve, mh-shot-tool |
| 20:09.55 | kulve | mine is just a desktop entry for osso-screenshot-tool, and it save the file to Images. Nothing more |
| 20:11.40 | kulve | inz: is somewhere a page saying what it does? |
| 20:13.20 | unique311 | timeless, its the angles certain stuff are positioned at. |
| 20:13.28 | unique311 | i'm not sure you looking at the angels. |
| 20:14.26 | Tak | mh-shot-tool is a hildonized screenshot tool with timer, preview, and save-as |
| 20:14.27 | pupnik | hi! so who has the skillz to port DrPocketSNES or SquidgeSNES from gp2x to Nokia 770, N800 and N810? |
| 20:14.43 | kulve | mh-shot-tool? |
| 20:14.44 | _Monkey | rumour has it mh-shot-tool is working on the 810, thanks guys |
| 20:14.50 | czr | timeless, I got steamrolled in 2383 :-) |
| 20:15.02 | kulve | (just checked if the bot learner, what tak said) |
| 20:15.26 | Tak | pupnik: apparently nobody who also has the inclinationz |
| 20:16.46 | pupnik | Tak: you know i just am here to be annoying on that issue |
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| 20:17.37 | Tak | hey, I'm all for it |
| 20:17.39 | kulve | mh-shot-tool is just too complicated ;) |
| 20:18.11 | Tak | I'm just cynical and pessimistic |
| 20:18.16 | svu | is there a non-hackish way to install skype on os2008 ? |
| 20:19.50 | CosmicRay | it came preinstalled on my n810 |
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| 20:21.16 | guerby | I'm impressed by OS2008 beta on my N800, great work Nokia! |
| 20:21.54 | svu | CosmicRay, not everyone can buy 810 yet. even the people with discount codes;) |
| 20:22.11 | alterego | I'm gonna call this theme Aqua for all the iPhone fan boyz. |
| 20:22.16 | alterego | Who like E17 |
| 20:22.20 | CosmicRay | svu: understood. I was just saying that this implies there is a non-hackish way ;-) |
| 20:22.25 | alterego | And I'm not talking about the WM .. |
| 20:22.48 | svu | CosmicRay, not for n800 it seems. it asks for the "latest updates for n810" :) |
| 20:23.20 | solmumaha | hmm, it installed fine on my n800 today |
| 20:23.30 | svu | solmumaha, how did you do it? |
| 20:23.46 | solmumaha | yesterday it whined, but today it i just ran apt-get install skype and it installed |
| 20:24.12 | ldspartan | does it actually work, or just install? |
| 20:24.29 | alterego | solmumaha, it works when you do it via apt-get |
| 20:24.32 | alterego | Not from the appman |
| 20:24.34 | solmumaha | works too |
| 20:24.48 | svu | solmumaha, ok, thanks, I'll check again |
| 20:25.15 | solmumaha | shows up in app manager too |
| 20:25.29 | alterego | Shows up, doesn't install ;) |
| 20:25.57 | solmumaha | it did! |
| 20:26.05 | solmumaha | shows up as installed |
| 20:26.19 | svu | solmumaha, ok, it seems to be ok now. I tried today morning (GMT) - and it did not work |
| 20:26.23 | svu | thanks |
| 20:26.27 | alterego | solmumaha, listen carefully. I'm saying you _can't_ install it _from_ the app manager. That is all. |
| 20:26.43 | alterego | Of course it shows up, that's meaningless. The app manager _can't_ _install_ _it_ ... |
| 20:26.46 | doc|work | hmmm, OS update already? :) |
| 20:26.56 | solmumaha | well apt-get can |
| 20:27.03 | solmumaha | good enough for me |
| 20:27.05 | alterego | We know apt-get can |
| 20:27.07 | czr | alterego, did you try with red-pill? |
| 20:27.14 | alterego | No |
| 20:27.18 | alterego | I don't care for skype :) |
| 20:27.19 | doc|work | how do you select all of the available updates with the update manager? |
| 20:27.23 | czr | you have the package control somewhere nearby? |
| 20:27.24 | czr | ah |
| 20:28.33 | doc|work | hehe |
| 20:30.29 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.29 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.44 | lopz | bye |
| 20:31.49 | doc|work | hmmm, I'm getting "application packages missing: libglade2-0 (=1:2.4.0-1osso2) when trying to install libglade2-0 (1:2.6.2-1indt1). Anyone got any idea how I fix that? |
| 20:32.04 | timeless | Et script pC% denne side er muligvis optaget eller svarer ikke lC&ngere. Trykke pC% 'OK' for stop scriptet nu, eller fortsC&t for at se om scriptet udfC8res. |
| 20:32.11 | timeless | how bad does that sound? :) |
| 20:32.27 | elb | complete gibberish |
| 20:32.27 | elb | ;-) |
| 20:35.19 | czr | timeless, sv or dk? |
| 20:35.28 | czr | or no? |
| 20:35.59 | timeless | da-DK |
| 20:37.29 | timeless | hrm |
| 20:37.29 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.56 | doc|work | anyone? |
| 20:38.57 | _Monkey | hmmm... anyone is using synergy on n800 ? |
| 20:39.00 | pupnik | hi doc|work still a problem? |
| 20:39.05 | timeless | what's Venter? |
| 20:39.15 | timeless | _monkey forget anyone |
| 20:39.15 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot anyone |
| 20:39.17 | doc|work | pupnik: hey, yep, one mentioned above |
| 20:39.21 | timeless | _monkey anyone is <reply> |
| 20:39.21 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 20:39.39 | pupnik | i haven't seen that before - looks like a strange situation due to adding different repositories |
| 20:39.48 | timeless | Et script pC% denne side er muligvis optaget eller svarer ikke lC&ngere. Trykke pC% 'OK' for stop scriptet nu, eller trykke Annuller fortsC&te venter. |
| 20:39.48 | doc|work | yeah |
| 20:39.56 | timeless | czr: how's that? :| |
| 20:40.15 | pupnik | doc|work: in your case i'd wget (download) both versions of libglade2-0 to the mmc card |
| 20:40.20 | pupnik | then install one with dpkg -i |
| 20:40.22 | czr | timeless, read the last comment? |
| 20:40.40 | timeless | last comment where? :(~\ |
| 20:40.41 | czr | timeless, it's ok though. I'm not pursuing it further, went too far as it was :-) |
| 20:40.43 | pupnik | if that doesn't work then i'd remove it with apt-get remove --purge libglade2-0 and then dpkg -i the other one |
| 20:40.48 | czr | timeless, 2383 damn it |
| 20:40.49 | timeless | 2383? |
| 20:41.15 | doc|work | pupnik: isn't that likely to screw up the one that's there, seeing as it wants an older version? |
| 20:41.18 | svu | skype still cannot do video, of course |
| 20:41.33 | svu | are there any 3rd party home page applets for 2008? |
| 20:41.40 | timeless | hrm |
| 20:41.57 | timeless | confused |
| 20:42.03 | timeless | Even though debian and ubuntu don't use apt.conf but have moved to using |
| 20:42.03 | timeless | apt.conf.d they both still use sources.list, which btw. isn't owned by any |
| 20:42.03 | timeless | package but copied in place in the postinstall script. I see no point in making |
| 20:42.03 | timeless | a move to a totally 'source.listless' setup before the upstream does. |
| 20:42.05 | timeless | oh |
| 20:42.13 | timeless | they use apt.conf.d but not yet source.list.d |
| 20:42.15 | timeless | intetersting |
| 20:42.20 | timeless | *srug* |
| 20:42.23 | pupnik | doc|work: dunno - i usually play fast and loose with dpkg -i, and if something breaks, i remove with apt-get remove |
| 20:42.26 | timeless | i used list.d when i customized ubuntu |
| 20:42.41 | timeless | see if you can find out when upstream is planning on fixing itself? :) |
| 20:42.47 | doc|work | pupnik: meh, I'll survive a few days without an update :) |
| 20:43.41 | czr | timeless, yes. I told you that before I think |
| 20:43.42 | pupnik | but most people recommend that you not do a global update - due to strangeness like that |
| 20:43.57 | czr | timeless, you could file a bug against upstream/debian and see how it flies ;-) |
| 20:44.29 | doc|work | pupnik: how are you supposed to do it then? |
| 20:45.15 | timeless | i don't like debian enough to bother |
| 20:47.48 | czr | timeless, last time I tried to file a bug/patch against ubuntu, launchpad was out in maintenance ;-) |
| 20:48.04 | czr | which reminds me, I should probably try to add the patch now that it's likely to be running again |
| 20:48.18 | timeless | ok, google doesn't like my trnaslation |
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| 20:49.36 | pupnik | doc|work: just upgrade specific programs you want to upgrade |
| 20:50.03 | timeless | http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=continue+waiting&from=eng&to=dan |
| 20:50.05 | timeless | :( |
| 20:50.41 | timeless | ok, much better |
| 20:51.14 | timeless | any idea what |
| 20:51.20 | timeless | venter forsat might mean? |
| 20:53.04 | czr | ask on #ubuntu-dk ? :-) |
| 20:53.32 | czr | timeless, since you're now learning finnish, this isn't by any chance translated by you? :-) : http://tulilahti.fi/ihailija/ihailija_02.jpg |
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| 21:01.36 | timeless | i'm assuming Unscrew isn't valid FI |
| 21:01.54 | timeless | or Detach/Match/Install |
| 21:01.58 | czr | timeless :-) |
| 21:02.18 | timeless | speaking of fi |
| 21:02.34 | timeless | sp3000 expressed amazing distaste for the FI text in http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg&hl=en# |
| 21:02.38 | timeless | so please offer a replacement |
| 21:02.56 | timeless | venter fortsat => awaiting prosecuted |
| 21:03.00 | timeless | that doesn't sound right :( |
| 21:03.10 | czr | uh. I'm supposed to have a google account for that, right? |
| 21:03.23 | timeless | you can use a non google account |
| 21:03.33 | czr | I don't have any and don't want to create one. |
| 21:03.37 | timeless | google docs automatically accepts gmail accounts but you can register w/ anything |
| 21:03.42 | timeless | db48x uses a yahoo account |
| 21:03.45 | czr | I don't want to register for google. |
| 21:03.51 | timeless | http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg |
| 21:04.02 | timeless | should let you see w/o requiring registration |
| 21:04.58 | czr | yeah, it's slightly klunky -fi. |
| 21:05.22 | czr | however I'd need to see the text in the buttons that can be chosen at that point |
| 21:05.25 | timeless | less klunky -fi appreciated |
| 21:05.32 | sp3000 | it's the ~same as fx fwiw |
| 21:05.45 | timeless | that's in D8/D9 |
| 21:05.47 | timeless | err |
| 21:05.49 | czr | well, translating into -fi is quite difficult at times. it's a string of compromises really. |
| 21:05.49 | timeless | D8/E8 |
| 21:06.18 | timeless | rm -rf /world/languages/fi |
| 21:06.26 | timeless | problem solved |
| 21:06.32 | timeless | heck |
| 21:06.35 | czr | I'll smoke and get back to you. what is this for again? |
| 21:06.47 | timeless | rm -rf /world/countries/finland/languages/fi |
| 21:06.59 | timeless | javascript:while(1); |
| 21:07.04 | timeless | load that in your web browser and wait |
| 21:07.10 | czr | no I mean like who will benefit from this |
| 21:07.15 | timeless | eventually you get a dialog |
| 21:07.16 | czr | I use konqueror ;-) |
| 21:07.19 | timeless | the dialog has this text |
| 21:07.26 | czr | I suspected as much. |
| 21:07.35 | timeless | the goal is for the user to know what happens when OK / Peruuta are pressed |
| 21:07.36 | czr | what do the button texts contain for this dialog? |
| 21:07.40 | czr | ah ok. |
| 21:07.42 | sp3000 | okcancel |
| 21:07.51 | czr | OK is not a good choice of concept for this. |
| 21:07.53 | timeless | they're in the spreadsheet |
| 21:08.00 | timeless | czr: standards are great |
| 21:08.08 | timeless | i think firefox might have Stop and not sure anymore |
| 21:08.13 | timeless | or Stop Script and not sure anymore |
| 21:08.26 | sp3000 | [Stop] [Not Sure] |
| 21:08.39 | sp3000 | [Continue] [Stop Script] |
| 21:08.45 | timeless | [Stop script] [continue] |
| 21:08.53 | sp3000 | (gnomey order) |
| 21:09.01 | timeless | (win order) |
| 21:09.06 | timeless | (who uses gnome, and why?) |
| 21:09.17 | timeless | note: the gnomey order is especially bad here |
| 21:09.22 | timeless | the default is unsafe |
| 21:09.37 | timeless | personally, my favorite flavor is: |
| 21:09.41 | timeless | [Crash A] [Crash B] |
| 21:09.59 | timeless | because in 2004 or so, when i got that dialog, those were my choices |
| 21:10.08 | timeless | it pretty much didn't seem to matter which button i pressed |
| 21:10.18 | dolske | Cancel means Continue? What a country! |
| 21:10.23 | timeless | i think A was like a 3/5 chance of crashing and maybe B was 4/7 |
| 21:10.49 | timeless | dolske: realm:dom.spidermonkey |
| 21:11.24 | czr | "jatka/keskeytä" would be more proper in -fi in this case |
| 21:12.00 | timeless | we're not rewriting the buttons |
| 21:12.03 | czr | "continue/abort(without the neg conn of english abort)" |
| 21:12.06 | czr | so I thought |
| 21:12.12 | czr | OK isn't proper finnish |
| 21:12.13 | timeless | the title of the window is {localized}JavaScript Confirmation |
| 21:12.17 | timeless | or something lik ehtat |
| 21:12.25 | czr | and peruuta means "go back/take it back" |
| 21:12.52 | czr | timeless, I'll delegate this to someone who actually does fi-location for oss, give me a sec |
| 21:12.57 | czr | l10n even |
| 21:12.59 | sp3000 | czr: fx is Pysäytä komentotiedosto, Jatka. fwiw |
| 21:13.02 | timeless | ooh yum |
| 21:13.17 | sxpert | nah, apt-get |
| 21:13.19 | kaltsi | in Mac I've seen 'kumoa' which means 'cancel'.. but I hate that word. |
| 21:13.22 | timeless | czr: don't suppose you can find da or nb-NO? |
| 21:13.32 | czr | so3000, pysäytä = stop. that implies it can be continued later :-) |
| 21:13.52 | czr | at least the finnish version implies that. |
| 21:14.08 | czr | kumoa = overturn. which is bad finnish. |
| 21:14.20 | sp3000 | meh, so does keskeytä. (vrt. keskeytys) |
| 21:14.20 | czr | at least for programs :-) |
| 21:14.39 | czr | sp3000, you think? hmm. imho not, but what do I know :-) |
| 21:15.13 | Mikho | what are you talking about? |
| 21:15.31 | sp3000 | now lopeta, on the other hand... |
| 21:15.35 | svu | does n810 have hardware volume buttons? |
| 21:15.42 | czr | sp3000, that has negative connotations :-) |
| 21:15.44 | kaltsi | svu: no |
| 21:15.47 | czr | sp3000, similar to "terminate" :-) |
| 21:15.51 | sp3000 | but that'd require a verb |
| 21:15.59 | svu | damn. they did not learn the lesson. |
| 21:16.06 | sp3000 | as the object, or you'd be murdering, which would be ...that |
| 21:16.28 | sp3000 | czr: päätä? :) |
| 21:16.44 | sp3000 | that'd be weird. |
| 21:16.51 | czr | sp3000, too many meanings :-) (including "oh c'mon, make up your mind already") :-) |
| 21:17.14 | czr | translating into finnish is hard. |
| 21:17.33 | timeless | Trykke pC% 'OK' for stop scriptet nu, eller trykke Annuller hen til fortsC&tte venter |
| 21:17.34 | timeless | => |
| 21:17.36 | timeless | Press at 'OK' by stop scriptet actually , or press Disallow to prosecute awaiting |
| 21:17.41 | sp3000 | meh, the longer text elaborates :) |
| 21:17.45 | timeless | how's that for a round trip? |
| 21:18.22 | czr | prosecute waiting sounds like something you'd want to do in a restaurant with very slow service. |
| 21:18.37 | timeless | you've been in finland too long ;-) |
| 21:18.44 | timeless | but actually |
| 21:18.49 | timeless | that's pretty much what we're talking about |
| 21:18.51 | czr | I have indeed. |
| 21:19.00 | timeless | a web page w/ slow service |
| 21:19.34 | czr | what about this "Sivun tekijä on kädetön apina jonka pitäisi edes joskus yrittää opetella javascripta tai edes jotain. Paina "peruuta", haluat kuitenkin". |
| 21:19.40 | Mikho | you're looking for words with only one interpretation? |
| 21:20.00 | czr | Mikho, better translated string for javascript gone bonkers dialog on a page in -fi. |
| 21:20.22 | czr | Mikho, http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg |
| 21:20.23 | Mikho | oh, what page? |
| 21:20.24 | _Monkey | well, page is taken? |
| 21:20.52 | sp3000 | >_< |
| 21:20.52 | timeless | _moenky forget page |
| 21:20.52 | Mikho | i see |
| 21:20.52 | timeless | _moenky page is <reply> |
| 21:21.00 | czr | moankey |
| 21:21.03 | timeless | _monkey forget page |
| 21:21.03 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot page |
| 21:21.10 | timeless | _monkey page is <reply> |
| 21:21.10 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 21:21.24 | timeless | failure to type _monkey is fatal |
| 21:21.25 | pupnik | monkeys roasting on an open fire |
| 21:21.37 | czr | would "sovelma" be better translation for a "script"? |
| 21:21.46 | czr | or "komentosarja" even. |
| 21:21.57 | Mikho | "komentotiedosto" makes me shiver |
| 21:21.57 | kaltsi | O_o |
| 21:22.16 | czr | esp since it's not a "command file" :-) |
| 21:22.25 | kaltsi | ksikirjoitus |
| 21:22.26 | czr | kaltsi, see the link I gave to Mikho above |
| 21:22.29 | svu | I cannot believe. There is no vim build for os2008! |
| 21:22.46 | kaltsi | czr: yes I just couldn't believe someone would suggest something like 'sovelma' |
| 21:22.47 | Mikho | skripti |
| 21:23.17 | czr | kaltsi, it's shorter than komentosarja :-) |
| 21:23.18 | kaltsi | skripti ei skulaa paina ok tai knkel |
| 21:23.40 | Mikho | :D |
| 21:23.46 | czr | although I'm seeing that a lot of the other translations are using "script" anyway |
| 21:23.54 | czr | for example the 'ru' one. |
| 21:24.30 | czr | the ru translation is somewhat bad as well though. at least in my eyes. |
| 21:24.33 | Mikho | I vote for "skripti" |
| 21:24.44 | timeless | czr: i'm accepting changes |
| 21:24.59 | czr | timeless, I know you are. I'm refusing from co-operating :-) |
| 21:25.35 | elb | will English ITOS accept Russian input? |
| 21:25.41 | kaltsi | for the person who needs that translated it's quite useless to provide those options.. it could be more like: Something's taking a while press X to stop waiting or Y to waste more of your time with the remote possibility that it's not a complete waste of your time. |
| 21:25.41 | elb | (as an aside) |
| 21:26.15 | kaltsi | s/options/finnish translations/ |
| 21:26.52 | czr | my friend is back, we'll see for the proper suggestion :-) |
| 21:27.05 | timeless | <bz> timeless: it's better than the old... it's not that great |
| 21:27.11 | timeless | (bz's view on new v. old) |
| 21:27.13 | czr | kaltsi, I tried to say that. but the only buttons are OK and peruuta! |
| 21:27.47 | czr | ah. friend tells me that he is aware of the ghastly dialog |
| 21:27.56 | czr | and the ghastly buttons as well |
| 21:28.04 | kaltsi | How about then: Your browser is about to run over a baby deer. OK or Back up (peruuta). |
| 21:28.41 | sp3000 | and the second time: Your browser ran over a baby deer. OK or Back up over it again (peruuta). |
| 21:28.47 | Tak | "OK or Double OK?" |
| 21:28.56 | kaltsi | hehe |
| 21:29.32 | czr | friend says that he doesn't come up with anything better, but he's tired. should ask on #lokalisointi (ircnet) instead |
| 21:29.58 | kaltsi | isn't there a Finnish word for 'lokalisointi' ? |
| 21:30.13 | kaltsi | maybe I could go there and be a wise-ass about their channel name |
| 21:30.14 | czr | kotoutettu :-) |
| 21:30.23 | czr | but no one knows what it means. :-) |
| 21:30.26 | kaltsi | kotoistus! I saw that word somewhere. |
| 21:30.31 | czr | indeed |
| 21:30.39 | czr | there's a new fi-keyboard layout |
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| 21:30.51 | czr | fi (kotoistettu) |
| 21:30.59 | kaltsi | yes that's where I saw it |
| 21:31.01 | gla55_ | thats like using 'seitti' as 'web', sure some prof might agree it's better but still, half of the people will have no clue |
| 21:31.08 | czr | it has the proper support for finnish letters, including the sh in shakki. |
| 21:31.16 | czr | and some others |
| 21:31.18 | sp3000 | šakki! |
| 21:31.20 | kaltsi | or using 'rakentaja' and 'purkaja' for constructor and destructor |
| 21:31.27 | czr | sp3000, indeed |
| 21:32.01 | czr | the second persona should be removed from the text at least, so tells my friend |
| 21:32.02 | gla55_ | kaltsi: i'd rather just write the whole design doc etc in english than use those... |
| 21:33.36 | sp3000 | rak/purk doesn't sound too horrible offhand |
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| 21:33.40 | czr | "Sivulla olevan komentosarjan suoritus on edelleen kesken, tai se ei vastaa. Paina OK pysäyttääksesi sarjan, tai Peruuta odottaaksesi sen valmistumista" |
| 21:33.51 | kaltsi | anything Finnish in the context of programming or programs is usually really icky |
| 21:33.52 | czr | although I don't like the whole komentosarja-concept |
| 21:33.59 | sp3000 | ~jono? |
| 21:34.07 | sp3000 | and sen |
| 21:34.17 | czr | neh. that doesn't work either (for me) |
| 21:34.22 | zuh | czr: I think the "official" word for script is komentojono(tiedosto). I'd still have trouble saying "Taas-Syntyneen kuoren komentojonotiedosto" |
| 21:34.34 | zuh | with a straight face :) |
| 21:34.36 | sp3000 | jälleensyntyneen I should hope |
| 21:34.40 | timeless | <bz> timeless: I'd translate "respond" as reagirovat' rather than otvechat' in |
| 21:34.40 | timeless | +this context, myself |
| 21:34.44 | sp3000 | (actual word) |
| 21:34.47 | czr | zuh, the official finnish version for "programming loop" is kiersiö. |
| 21:34.50 | sp3000 | but kuori, sheesh |
| 21:34.54 | kaltsi | sivulla oleva komentojono lienee ikikiersiss |
| 21:34.59 | czr | which just proves that the official people are just smoking crack most of the time. |
| 21:34.59 | timeless | vzr: could you convert "reagirovat" into cyrillic so that it could be adopted? |
| 21:35.04 | czr | kaltsi :-) |
| 21:35.39 | kaltsi | scratchboxissa on lynti kuori |
| 21:35.46 | kaltsi | lymkuori |
| 21:35.47 | czr | lyönti? |
| 21:35.50 | kaltsi | bash shell |
| 21:35.53 | czr | heh |
| 21:35.57 | czr | hakkauskuori |
| 21:36.10 | czr | raaputinlaatikossa on hakkauskuori |
| 21:36.23 | czr | or raaputuslaatikko |
| 21:36.31 | czr | it does sound somewhat kinky though. |
| 21:36.45 | solmumaha | indeed |
| 21:36.48 | sp3000 | the s/m sdk |
| 21:36.52 | zuh | sp3000: "Bourne-Again" doesn't look like valid to me anyway, so the translation should follow the theme of it rather than correct it... ;) |
| 21:36.59 | sp3000 | zuh: good point |
| 21:37.01 | kaltsi | Meduusa-taas |
| 21:37.21 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.23 | czr | what about this then? |
| 21:37.36 | kaltsi | if the movies 'the Bourne supremacy' etc were translated as 'Meduusan verkko'.. |
| 21:37.46 | czr | kaltsi, good point.. |
| 21:38.29 | sp3000 | czr: I have no idea wtf "tai se ei vastaa" refers to |
| 21:38.39 | sp3000 | czr: but that sounds reasonable |
| 21:38.41 | czr | bleh. true |
| 21:38.52 | czr | it should refer to komentojono, but grammatically speaking doesn't |
| 21:39.07 | czr | tai jono ei vastaa? |
| 21:39.17 | kaltsi | why should it answer? |
| 21:39.41 | sp3000 | but then so does the english, I'm not sure what the script responding really intends |
| 21:39.43 | czr | A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. being the original |
| 21:39.48 | czr | reagoi? |
| 21:40.00 | zuh | I like the version of the same thing which said "the script is making the browser run slowly, stop it?" |
| 21:40.44 | czr | but that'd be different :-). might be true on 99.9% cases, but still, not the same :-) |
| 21:41.11 | zuh | Yeah, I just liked it better :P |
| 21:41.57 | czr | "Sivulla oleva komentojono on jumiutunut tai sen suoritus etenee hitaasti. Paina OK pysäyttääksesi sen, tai Peruuta odottaaksesi sen valmistumista" |
| 21:42.03 | czr | how about that? |
| 21:42.36 | zuh | Kuulostaa hyväksyttävältä. |
| 21:43.03 | sp3000 | wfm |
| 21:43.06 | bill20r3 | bless you. |
| 21:43.12 | czr | timeless, basically that translates to "The script on the page has gotten stuck or is executing slowly. Press OK to stop it or Peruuta to wait for it's completion" |
| 21:43.23 | timeless | its? |
| 21:43.24 | kaltsi | it's!! |
| 21:43.26 | timeless | otherwise, yum |
| 21:43.29 | czr | its |
| 21:43.30 | kaltsi | go to jail |
| 21:43.48 | timeless | get sp3000 to update the entry |
| 21:43.49 | czr | I tried to run away before, and failed. |
| 21:43.53 | czr | sp3000, update the entry |
| 21:43.58 | sp3000 | heh |
| 21:44.19 | sp3000 | might want to keep teh form of the latter sentence? |
| 21:45.05 | kaltsi | add or remove a comma before 'tai'.. choose your 'tai' carefully |
| 21:45.09 | sp3000 | I think the valitse thing is prevalent terminology |
| 21:45.29 | czr | I don't think I have the monopoly here :-) |
| 21:45.34 | [pablo] | is there a way to manually lock the device in os2008 instead of using autolock? as in require a code not prevent keys from being pressed etc |
| 21:45.41 | sp3000 | in the shipped foo that is |
| 21:46.24 | timeless | [pablo]: power keys? |
| 21:46.29 | timeless | and select "lock device" |
| 21:47.17 | sp3000 | "Tällä sivulla oleva komentojono on jumiutunut tai sen suoritus etenee hitaasti. Voit pysäyttää komentojonon valitsemalla OK tai odottaa sen suorituksen valmistumista valitsemalla Peruuta."? |
| 21:47.19 | kaltsi | heh that norwegian locale looks so desperate: no-NO NNOO DEAR GOD NOO!.. |
| 21:47.22 | zuh | Maybe you should go the mac way with paina/valitse and make it "osoita" ;) |
| 21:47.39 | sp3000 | N00 |
| 21:47.52 | [pablo] | i meant more along the lines of a terminal command, but that is useful too |
| 21:47.59 | czr | zuh, or "halua" :-) |
| 21:48.19 | czr | sp3000, looks pretty to me |
| 21:48.28 | sp3000 | ook |
| 21:48.28 | czr | heh kaltsi |
| 21:48.54 | zuh | czr: if that would be possible, the whole dialog could be automatically dismissed ;) |
| 21:48.58 | kaltsi | how about just replacing the 'tai odottaa sen suorituksen valmistumista valitsemalla Peruuta' -> 'tai odottaa lis valitsemalla Peruuta' |
| 21:49.06 | czr | zuh, you mean #maemo? :-) |
| 21:49.15 | czr | kaltsi, odottaa lisää mitä? |
| 21:49.25 | zuh | karkkia! |
| 21:49.27 | kaltsi | mm palkkaa |
| 21:49.34 | czr | elämä ois pop. |
| 21:49.45 | kaltsi | odottaa viel |
| 21:49.48 | czr | heh |
| 21:50.07 | kaltsi | or is that dialog going to pop up another time if someone presses cancel? |
| 21:50.20 | czr | I think it will |
| 21:50.28 | czr | or maybe it doesn't. timeless? |
| 21:50.45 | timeless | eh? |
| 21:50.49 | czr | timeless, btw, the en-strings are borked: "Press OK to stop the script now or Cancel continue waiting." |
| 21:50.54 | czr | to missing from there. |
| 21:51.08 | czr | timeless, if one presses cancel, and the script is still stuck, does the same dialog popup later? |
| 21:51.09 | timeless | czr: arg |
| 21:51.24 | timeless | yes |
| 21:51.39 | timeless | you'll be bothered ever n intervals |
| 21:51.41 | czr | ah. the fi needs revision then |
| 21:51.45 | timeless | where n is some very undefined concept |
| 21:51.50 | timeless | unless you break something |
| 21:51.58 | timeless | by clicking the magic "remember me" button |
| 21:52.01 | timeless | which isn't available in our ui |
| 21:52.02 | kaltsi | well then the approach of 'continue waiting' a'la en-GB is good for fi-FI too |
| 21:52.17 | timeless | in which case, it would not reappear, and if it loops forever, you're dead :) |
| 21:52.20 | czr | but I fail at finding proper translation for it |
| 21:52.22 | timeless | thankfully, that button isn't available |
| 21:52.38 | czr | jatkaa valmistumisen odotusta! |
| 21:52.43 | kaltsi | no way |
| 21:52.52 | czr | I prefer to drop the "suorituksen" work completely |
| 21:52.54 | timeless | confused |
| 21:52.59 | timeless | what's wrong w/ the en strings? |
| 21:53.04 | timeless | you complaining about punctuation? |
| 21:53.08 | sp3000 | Tällä sivulla oleva komentojono on jumiutunut tai sen suoritus etenee hitaasti (or, kestää pitkään?). Voit pysäyttää komentojonon valitsemalla OK tai jatkaa odottamista valitsemalla Peruuta. |
| 21:53.10 | kaltsi | I think the 'valmistuminen' is not important |
| 21:53.25 | czr | timeless, Press OK to stop the script now or Cancel _to_ continue waiting. |
| 21:53.42 | timeless | czr: um |
| 21:53.53 | czr | I must have an old version |
| 21:54.04 | timeless | how many blank slots do you have on the file? |
| 21:54.11 | timeless | http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg |
| 21:54.24 | czr | I'll take a screenshots. |
| 21:54.25 | kaltsi | I don't see the to |
| 21:54.28 | czr | +s |
| 21:54.29 | czr | -s |
| 21:54.37 | timeless | nb-NO: Trykk OK for stop skript nu, eller Avbryt hen til fortsC&tte venter. |
| 21:54.39 | kaltsi | the first row says KillScriptM Old |
| 21:54.42 | timeless | trans: Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script nu , or Cut off affection at fortsC&tte awaiting. |
| 21:55.05 | sp3000 | heh |
| 21:55.25 | sp3000 | A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. Press FAIR ENOUGH to stop the script now or Cancel to continue waiting. |
| 21:55.26 | czr | timeless, http://koltsoff.com/pub/kiersioe.png |
| 21:55.46 | czr | "All your CPU are belong to script. Fair enough." |
| 21:55.59 | *** part/#maemo erstazi (n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi) |
| 21:56.01 | sp3000 | pub pubs a static version? |
| 21:56.04 | maddler | evening all... |
| 21:56.25 | pupnik | hahahaha |
| 21:56.47 | timeless | strange |
| 21:56.47 | czr | evenink maddler |
| 21:56.52 | czr | sp3000 huh? |
| 21:57.00 | timeless | it's supposed to auto republish |
| 21:57.20 | timeless | reload |
| 21:57.22 | timeless | (shift-refresh) |
| 21:57.22 | czr | timeless, I'm using an old version of konq |
| 21:57.26 | czr | I did. |
| 21:57.30 | timeless | *now* |
| 21:57.38 | czr | ah. now it works |
| 21:57.41 | timeless | i got the same sucky version in ie... i just kicked it |
| 21:57.44 | czr | more fields too |
| 21:58.00 | timeless | if you want the finnish reference string, let me know |
| 21:58.11 | timeless | i'd have to find the string, since i don't know the id :) |
| 21:58.13 | czr | ask sp3000, I think he's working on it as we speak ;-) |
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| 21:59.34 | timeless | Trykk OK for stop skript nC%, eller Avbryt hen til fortsC&tte venter. |
| 21:59.35 | timeless | => |
| 21:59.37 | timeless | Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script now , or Cut off affection at fortsC&tte awaiting. |
| 21:59.57 | timeless | almost done |
| 22:00.51 | timeless | Trykk OK for stop skript nC%, eller Avbryt hen til fortsette venter. |
| 22:00.51 | timeless | => |
| 22:00.54 | timeless | Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script now , or Cut off affection at carry on awaiting. |
| 22:01.02 | timeless | that's not bad :) |
| 22:01.43 | czr | hmm. I'm trying to verify the "localhost internet sockets don't work in offline mode" (maemo-devel, grep for "web based local application GUIs") |
| 22:01.46 | halley | What repo has sqlite3? maemopad+ requires it. |
| 22:01.52 | halley | (chinook) |
| 22:01.57 | czr | halley, not in extras? |
| 22:02.06 | timeless | Trykk OK for stop skript nC%, eller Avbryt til fortsette venter. |
| 22:02.08 | timeless | Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script now , or Cut off at carry on awaiting. |
| 22:02.19 | halley | czr, I've only seen the -dev version, not the actual lib. |
| 22:02.50 | timeless | Trykk OK for stop skript nC%, eller Avbryt for C% fortsette venter. |
| 22:02.52 | timeless | Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script now , or Cut off to carry on awaiting. |
| 22:02.57 | timeless | how's that sound? :) |
| 22:03.12 | czr | halley, hmm. is it on the device then? |
| 22:03.26 | czr | the packages that are present on the device are not present in the sdk sometimes |
| 22:03.44 | czr | I always failed to see the logic in that, but I'm only a sad luser. |
| 22:04.05 | timeless | usually legal messes :) |
| 22:04.09 | halley | not in "show installed applications" even under redpill |
| 22:04.12 | timeless | Et skript pC% denne siden kan vC&re opptatt, eller det kan ha sluttet C% svare. Trykk OK for stopp skript nC%, eller Avbryt for C% fortsette venter. |
| 22:04.14 | timeless | A the script at this end can be absorbed , or facts able have closed to answer. Accents FAIR ENOUGH for halt the script now , or Cut off to carry on awaiting. |
| 22:04.36 | timeless | (that first sentence was written by the localizer) |
| 22:04.44 | czr | halley, ii libsqlite3-0 3.4.1-1osso3 SQLite 3 shared library |
| 22:04.54 | czr | halley, device running os2008, dpkg -l | grep sql |
| 22:05.05 | halley | Oh, didn't look in the Ls silly me. |
| 22:05.19 | timeless | /sqlite3-3.4.1/debian/control |
| 22:05.22 | timeless | is on the device |
| 22:05.32 | timeless | well, the result of that anyway :) |
| 22:05.40 | czr | one result of that :-) |
| 22:05.55 | timeless | the control file specifies libsqlite3-0 and libsqlite3-dev |
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| 22:06.00 | timeless | presumably dev didn't make it :) |
| 22:06.05 | timeless | ijon: ping |
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| 22:06.09 | timeless | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pDeYoHoi4NZeSGjFwc8UCfg&hl=en# |
| 22:06.10 | czr | it's not required on the device. |
| 22:06.17 | timeless | please consider the russian |
| 22:06.21 | timeless | czr: dev? sure |
| 22:06.23 | czr | but I guess it's in free/extras. |
| 22:06.36 | czr | timeless, why would it be? |
| 22:06.46 | halley | Next-- how to find japanese fonts, and input method? |
| 22:07.19 | halley | The maemocjk page looks promising but stale after google summer of code. |
| 22:07.34 | halley | Don't know if that's the route for chinook or not. |
| 22:08.08 | timeless | halley: complain to browser-extras for not offering fonts :) |
| 22:08.49 | timeless | czr: so, back to russian |
| 22:08.57 | timeless | can you convert bz's suggestion to cyrillic? |
| 22:09.44 | lardman | aaaargh |
| 22:09.57 | lardman | anyone know where I can find gcc-3.4.x for Mandrake? |
| 22:10.00 | kaltsi | hm was there something with the libsqlite3-0.. it seems to be in the sdk repo with the -dev |
| 22:10.33 | lardman | ~lart Mandrake/Mandriva for neither having new nor old program versions |
| 22:10.33 | infobot | chops Mandrake/Mandriva in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for neither having new nor old program versions |
| 22:10.47 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/sqlite3-3.4.1/debian/control |
| 22:11.02 | timeless | the xref says chinook has /some/ part of sqlite |
| 22:11.08 | timeless | too bad for me, my browser just crashed |
| 22:11.31 | kaltsi | timeless: what's missing? |
| 22:11.48 | kaltsi | ok the sqlite3-doc |
| 22:12.02 | czr | timeless, unf not really. I don't write cyrillic. reading is possible (slow but possible), writing not. |
| 22:12.21 | czr | timeless, also I'm crap at russian grammar as it is. never studied the language |
| 22:12.24 | timeless | can you repeat it and ask the last .ru (ijon) to write it? :) |
| 22:12.40 | sp3000 | timeless: can you explain what script having stopped responding means in the en strings? :) |
| 22:13.12 | sp3000 | I mean the script can stop the browser responding, but the script not responding to things wouldn't tend to hurt more than the document's interaction |
| 22:13.21 | timeless | "having"? |
| 22:13.30 | timeless | oh |
| 22:13.32 | timeless | well, um.. so... |
| 22:13.35 | sp3000 | which makes me wonder where it came from |
| 22:13.40 | czr | timeless, not really :-). |
| 22:13.54 | timeless | practically speaking, if the script is running the browser as we hacked it may try to stop the script |
| 22:13.55 | halley | I wish there was a maemopad+ that didn't rely on a database. Flat files are so much easier to deal with. |
| 22:14.01 | czr | timeless, but keep your eyes open for other ru-speaking. I know there are some |
| 22:17.40 | timeless | ijon_: are you alive? i'm looking for someone to encode a word (reagirovat) in cyrillic |
| 22:18.13 | timeless | sp3000: anyway |
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| 22:18.20 | timeless | the way things wokr in gecko |
| 22:18.24 | fysa | does /etc/network/if-up.d/ work? |
| 22:18.27 | timeless | if operation foo starts |
| 22:18.29 | *** part/#maemo Segnale007 (n=donpietr@host222-28-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:18.35 | timeless | and is stupid enough to try to suspend |
| 22:18.50 | timeless | it suspends by getting stuck in the C stack until the thing that is now being processes finishes |
| 22:18.56 | timeless | if you have slowscripts in two windows |
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| 22:19.19 | timeless | then the script in the first window will not function at *all* until the slow script in the second window completes |
| 22:19.59 | timeless | in this stupid edge case, the document not responding hurts more than just itself |
| 22:20.18 | timeless | in some quasi ideal case, other things may be able to respond |
| 22:20.33 | timeless | but in standard gecko, practically speaking *nothing* but the script is running until the slow script completes |
| 22:20.57 | timeless | it kind of depends on how strangely things operate |
| 22:21.04 | timeless | note that it's not supposed to be "document" |
| 22:21.11 | timeless | properly it's "connected window set" |
| 22:21.13 | halley | Hm, I don't like the topedge buttons being basically unreachable if the screen is popped up. |
| 22:21.18 | timeless | if window 1 opens window 2, they're "connected" |
| 22:21.44 | timeless | which means while a script is running in window 2, window 1 should not be allowed to respond to yuou |
| 22:21.56 | timeless | an iframe in window 2 would stop an iframe in window 1 |
| 22:22.01 | db48x | yea |
| 22:22.09 | sp3000 | right, it's the language rather |
| 22:22.29 | db48x | I think we should scrap the single threaded cooperative multitasking part of javascript |
| 22:22.36 | czr | timeless, you're destined to fail though. I just put on some more coffee :-) |
| 22:22.40 | timeless | czr: i'm actually 24/6+ something |
| 22:22.56 | derf | We should scrap the single threaded cooperative multitasking part of everything. |
| 22:22.57 | czr | timeless, ah, you need more training then :-) |
| 22:23.01 | timeless | i have a blackout period which is technically 25hrs (shifting) |
| 22:23.11 | db48x | the problem is that it makes it more difficult to write correct programs |
| 22:23.14 | czr | derf, yes, I'm been telling people that the Linux kernel is shaite! |
| 22:23.19 | db48x | and javascript is supposed to be simple and easy |
| 22:23.32 | derf | db48x: Hah! |
| 22:23.41 | timeless | derf: this was a promise web browsers made to web page authors |
| 22:23.45 | sp3000 | not responding rather sounds like someone's poking at it and it's not doing anything |
| 22:23.54 | sp3000 | but afaiui nothing's poking at it |
| 22:23.55 | czr | sp3000, it does indeed. |
| 22:23.57 | db48x | sp3000: that's a fair description |
| 22:24.11 | timeless | sp3000: in standard gecko if you click the window, nothing will happen |
| 22:24.13 | timeless | "it's busy" |
| 22:24.16 | sp3000 | for the app, yeah |
| 22:24.23 | sp3000 | but not so much the script |
| 22:24.24 | db48x | sp3000: the os is sending it requests to paint something, and it can't because it's too busy solving the halting problem or something |
| 22:24.26 | timeless | in hacked microb, it might do "something" |
| 22:24.32 | timeless | including breaking the web app :) |
| 22:24.39 | czr | db48x, s/halting/turing/ |
| 22:24.54 | db48x | no, halting is the correct word |
| 22:25.04 | sp3000 | db48x: yeah but the script doesn't paint |
| 22:25.09 | czr | db48x, it was a joke. |
| 22:25.14 | db48x | ah |
| 22:25.15 | alterego | This home theme looks _hawt_ .. |
| 22:25.23 | db48x | sp3000: details, details |
| 22:25.26 | timeless | sp3000: eh? |
| 22:25.39 | timeless | sp3000: technically |
| 22:25.46 | derf | sp3000: No, but nothing _can_ paint while the script is running. |
| 22:25.58 | timeless | "A script somewhere relating to this window is causing this and related windows to stop responding" |
| 22:26.07 | sp3000 | :) |
| 22:26.11 | db48x | packing a technically precise description of the real problem into a single sentance isn't going to help |
| 22:26.13 | derf | I have this problem with lots of sites that execute a ginormous amount of javascript on load. |
| 22:26.19 | db48x | the sentance will be too long to be useful |
| 22:26.30 | timeless | translating that won't help matters |
| 22:26.33 | derf | It will make the entire browser unresponsive for several seconds. |
| 22:26.36 | timeless | worse, the impl we have is amazingly broken |
| 22:26.47 | timeless | so, i'd rather not promise correctness we break :) |
| 22:26.55 | db48x | derf: yea, that's what this is about. if it goes on like that for too long, this message appears |
| 22:27.03 | czr | I've never seen any ecmascript implementation that wasn't fishy |
| 22:27.16 | timeless | czr: ecmascript isn't bad |
| 22:27.18 | timeless | it's dom that's fishy |
| 22:27.23 | czr | but I haven't really been looking for couple of years. but they all were pretty hacky when I did the last research round |
| 22:27.27 | db48x | timeless: is that because of that patch oleg showed us that I objected to? |
| 22:27.34 | timeless | db48x: probably |
| 22:27.35 | czr | well, ecmascript + the environment support for doing anything useful. |
| 22:27.38 | sp3000 | db48x: I don't think it needs to be long to say teh script is stuck :) |
| 22:27.39 | kaltsi | anything that can be confused with emacs cannot be totally bad |
| 22:27.42 | timeless | i objected first, i'm sure |
| 22:27.50 | db48x | timeless: yea, probably |
| 22:27.51 | sp3000 | db48x: but to me it now sounsd like trying to be technical ans missing |
| 22:27.58 | db48x | timeless: you've been working with it longer, after all |
| 22:28.06 | czr | kaltsi, but can't be totally good either :-) |
| 22:28.24 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/perf_addon/JSBreakExperimental.diff |
| 22:28.27 | kaltsi | <3 emacs |
| 22:28.29 | timeless | that one? :) |
| 22:28.29 | sp3000 | db48x: which gets doubly horrible when you translate it to something where 'not responding' doesn't sort of roll off the tongue |
| 22:28.43 | db48x | timeless: yea, that's the one |
| 22:28.51 | db48x | sp3000: yea, I understand |
| 22:28.57 | timeless | db48x: my spec says you're supposed to freeze things |
| 22:28.59 | timeless | he doesn't |
| 22:29.06 | timeless | db48x: you're free to get it right |
| 22:29.12 | timeless | redfive had a windows impl |
| 22:29.15 | timeless | i'm not sure it's so bad |
| 22:29.18 | db48x | heh |
| 22:29.30 | db48x | I figure we should separate the gtk main thread from the gecko main thread |
| 22:29.41 | timeless | please |
| 22:29.49 | timeless | i had a proposal for something more fun |
| 22:29.56 | timeless | namely each script "world" gets its own thread |
| 22:29.57 | db48x | so the outer gtk app can respond to events and paint even if the inner embedded gecko can't |
| 22:29.58 | db48x | yea? |
| 22:30.07 | db48x | cool, I think |
| 22:30.13 | timeless | basically all js accesses to dom objects get proxied to the dom thread |
| 22:30.27 | timeless | but if a script world gets slow. too bad |
| 22:30.34 | timeless | and if the user clicks a link in a page that was running scripts |
| 22:30.38 | czr | you do realize that using threads like this will make debugging close to impossible and waste a lot of memory? |
| 22:30.43 | timeless | the page moves, and when the js tries to touch it, it dies |
| 22:30.46 | db48x | czr: so? |
| 22:30.51 | czr | just checking :-) |
| 22:30.56 | timeless | czr: for one, we have a script debugger |
| 22:30.59 | db48x | czr: it won't make it harder for page authors to debug |
| 22:31.03 | timeless | for another, i had patches to make it thread safe |
| 22:31.08 | czr | that wasn't the debugging I meant |
| 22:31.11 | db48x | czr: because the runtime constraints for the page will stay the same |
| 22:31.36 | czr | again. I'm not worried about page/script authors. |
| 22:31.47 | timeless | czr: you're confused |
| 22:31.57 | czr | of course. but that's another issue :-) |
| 22:31.58 | timeless | debugging spidermonkey crashes already requires an expert |
| 22:32.02 | timeless | n has at most one such person (me) |
| 22:32.08 | czr | and you plan to make it harder still? |
| 22:32.11 | timeless | there are not more than 2 dozen such people world wide |
| 22:32.28 | timeless | the gecko side would not change under my proposal |
| 22:32.33 | timeless | since it's still single threaded |
| 22:32.38 | czr | ah |
| 22:32.43 | czr | I got that bit wrong then |
| 22:32.44 | alterego | czr, this is what I've been playing with for the past 5 hours ^_^: http://alterego.freeshell.org/tablet_home_20071127-223309.png |
| 22:32.49 | timeless | all that changes is that js *only* on other threads |
| 22:32.57 | timeless | and must proxy to get objects from the ui thread |
| 22:33.08 | timeless | it's a perf penalty on dom objects |
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| 22:33.47 | timeless | it might be possible to offer some optimization where you can somehow get special access to a window's objects for a time period |
| 22:33.47 | czr | alterego, what is? |
| 22:33.52 | czr | alterego, the theme? you made it? |
| 22:33.53 | timeless | that'd be annoying and require a lot of work |
| 22:34.01 | alterego | czr, yeah |
| 22:34.03 | timeless | the basic impl would require 100% proxying for dom objects |
| 22:34.13 | alterego | czr, and a bunch-o-scripts to help create more. |
| 22:34.15 | db48x | yea, that would be a lot of work |
| 22:34.24 | czr | alterego, ah nice. documentation on how to use them too? :-) |
| 22:34.29 | timeless | db48x: anyway, i think my script world proposal isn't so bad |
| 22:34.41 | timeless | the only fun part is making sure to properly connect script worlds |
| 22:34.48 | alterego | czr, Self documenting :P |
| 22:35.01 | czr | alterego, you write it in COBOL? :-) |
| 22:35.28 | db48x | alterego: I like it |
| 22:35.40 | timeless | dbd48x: i think actually that script world connection is trivial |
| 22:35.40 | db48x | good choice of background image |
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| 22:35.57 | timeless | generally if a script opens a window, the new window is forced to share the existing script world |
| 22:36.05 | timeless | and if a user opens a window, it gets its own script world |
| 22:36.08 | db48x | yea |
| 22:36.13 | alterego | db48x, thanks |
| 22:36.18 | timeless | the fun connecting case |
| 22:36.22 | alterego | czr, yeah .. Cobol .. pfft :P |
| 22:36.26 | timeless | is if you do <a target=b href=c> |
| 22:36.34 | timeless | and b lands insdie a different script world |
| 22:36.40 | timeless | bz might suggest banning that case |
| 22:36.43 | timeless | and i'm fine w/ that :) |
| 22:36.50 | db48x | isn't it already banned? |
| 22:36.51 | czr | alterego, yeah, nice pic. too much contrast for regular desktop use, but since the device desktop is not regular, it's nice |
| 22:36.54 | timeless | it might be |
| 22:36.58 | timeless | i'mnot following everything |
| 22:37.02 | db48x | that is, different domains have different namespaces for the target property |
| 22:37.06 | timeless | anyway, the other case is divorces |
| 22:37.13 | timeless | db48x: same domain |
| 22:37.21 | timeless | load google.com in one window |
| 22:37.31 | timeless | open a new window |
| 22:37.34 | alterego | czr, yeah. Looks sweet on the device. When I've finished the whole theme. (Probably a week or so) I'll point you to a one click ;) |
| 22:37.36 | timeless | load google.com into it |
| 22:37.42 | db48x | oh, so the user opened two tabs to the same domain, and clicked the same link twice |
| 22:37.46 | timeless | they now have two window,s w/ two script worlds |
| 22:37.58 | czr | alterego, cool. I can take it for a sping then. chinook? |
| 22:38.06 | alterego | Yeah |
| 22:38.07 | timeless | something like that |
| 22:38.17 | timeless | so far the two script worlds are "not connected" |
| 22:38.23 | db48x | right |
| 22:38.24 | timeless | which is correct, they should not "block" eachother |
| 22:38.28 | alterego | czr, because of all the transparency ;) |
| 22:38.31 | timeless | but if you <a target> |
| 22:38.35 | timeless | then arguably they should "connect" |
| 22:38.56 | timeless | which basically means one script world (running thread) dies |
| 22:39.04 | czr | alterego, btw, why is your contacts above the browser icon? :-) |
| 22:39.05 | db48x | probably instead of 'banning' that case, we'd just add another check to make it pretend it didn't find an existing window with that name |
| 22:39.10 | timeless | it's an edge case, and a basic impl can simply ban it |
| 22:39.22 | timeless | anyway, the last bits are divorces |
| 22:39.24 | alterego | czr, having said that. These scripts might be nice for the OS2006/770 guys. As it can generate a theme (mix in their desktop image) to give the illusion of transparency. |
| 22:39.28 | timeless | user loads a new page in the top level frame |
| 22:39.31 | timeless | that divorces it |
| 22:39.46 | db48x | or just kills it off and creates a new one |
| 22:39.47 | alterego | czr, aesthetics. Circles are natural centre points ;) |
| 22:39.52 | timeless | the other case is if the user loads a *different* site into an iframe |
| 22:39.58 | timeless | db48x: steps: |
| 22:40.00 | timeless | 1. load google.com |
| 22:40.07 | timeless | 2. click link that opens a new google.com window (script link) |
| 22:40.13 | timeless | that's 2 windows, 1 script-world |
| 22:40.19 | timeless | 3. click a bookmark in one of those windows |
| 22:40.30 | db48x | czr: that's configurable |
| 22:40.32 | timeless | - that needs to create anew script world for that window |
| 22:40.35 | alterego | czr, it's like .. ~~ People are looking at Earth, un-aware that there's a colourful Borg ship about to destroy it ~~ It's a story see :) |
| 22:40.50 | timeless | yeah, it's actually a trivial operation (new script-world, point to it) |
| 22:40.53 | czr | alterego, heh |
| 22:41.00 | timeless | top level loads should always replace the script world pointer |
| 22:41.03 | czr | db48x, where? |
| 22:41.07 | timeless | and if a script world reaches 0. goodbye :) |
| 22:41.12 | db48x | czr: in the control panel |
| 22:41.15 | alterego | czr, panels under control panel. |
| 22:41.23 | czr | ah. |
| 22:41.26 | db48x | timeless: yea |
| 22:41.28 | alterego | czr, if you look at the bottom of the dialog there's arrows to position them. |
| 22:41.32 | czr | maybe I should try poking around the device one of these days :-) |
| 22:41.37 | czr | I still don't use these things for anything :-) |
| 22:41.40 | timeless | db48x: anyway, that's pretty much it |
| 22:42.00 | timeless | there's a minor requirement for dealing w/ temporary merges between <xul> and window.content |
| 22:42.08 | timeless | but practically speaking, that's not such a big deal |
| 22:42.11 | db48x | heh |
| 22:42.29 | timeless | if a xul window pokes window.content, then the content script-world is blocked until the xul script finishes |
| 22:42.43 | timeless | (deterministic for a single execution of script) |
| 22:42.59 | timeless | as soon as the script finishes running, the content script world is unblocked |
| 22:43.10 | timeless | note, that's fairly easy to do w/ jsapi |
| 22:43.17 | db48x | unless the xul script changes the content's dom |
| 22:43.27 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:43.37 | timeless | because the script in content might object? |
| 22:43.46 | db48x | yea, or nodes might turn up missing |
| 22:44.06 | fysa | memory hungry ;) |
| 22:44.07 | timeless | well, you have two choices |
| 22:44.10 | timeless | either xul waits (bad) |
| 22:44.13 | db48x | like, the script got a reference to a node, and then the xul script removed it from the document |
| 22:44.20 | alterego | A lot easier to theme ;) |
| 22:44.22 | czr | timeless btw, you aware of any open source english language checking tools? stuff that would go beyond just crappy spellchecking. |
| 22:44.24 | timeless | or xul is allowed to look, but touching results in content being killed |
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| 22:44.43 | timeless | czr: #foxymonkies and #macintosh work fairly well |
| 22:44.45 | db48x | but I don't think we have any chrome that is invasive like that |
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| 22:45.01 | timeless | telnet irc.mozilla.ort 6697, speak enough irc to speak bad english |
| 22:45.03 | czr | timeless, err, something that could be used in an automated fashion :-) doesn't need to be perfect. |
| 22:45.05 | timeless | wait for correction :) |
| 22:45.08 | czr | heh |
| 22:45.10 | timeless | no |
| 22:45.30 | timeless | but i know enough channels where people will correct your english |
| 22:45.34 | timeless | (English) |
| 22:45.51 | geoffeg | So when I remove the charger from my N800 running OS2008 i get an alert that says "Disconnect charger from power supply to save energy." WHAT? |
| 22:45.54 | timeless | db48x: ok, let's handle xul |
| 22:46.01 | geoffeg | What the *$#@ does that mean? |
| 22:46.02 | timeless | dom objects are again proxies |
| 22:46.09 | timeless | first access results in an exception |
| 22:46.14 | timeless | (write) |
| 22:46.23 | db48x | geoffeg: the charger is still drawing power from the mains |
| 22:46.26 | halley | geoff, unplug the wart from the wall |
| 22:46.27 | timeless | second access results in the other running script being terminated |
| 22:46.33 | db48x | all chargers work that way |
| 22:46.38 | timeless | for the record, db48x is speaking en-GB |
| 22:46.45 | geoffeg | db48x: oh.. wow.. and they want me to save a little power.. nice |
| 22:46.46 | timeless | "mains" is not valid en-US |
| 22:47.54 | geoffeg | That should read "Save electricity: Unplug charger from power socket" |
| 22:48.07 | doc|work | oh yeah, I put my n800 in to charge last night at about 11pm, at 7.30am it was still showing as charging |
| 22:48.07 | db48x | I'd hesitate to start labelling bits of english as 'valid' or 'invalid' |
| 22:48.16 | halley | Okay, how does one add their own app launch icons onto the homepage/desktop? |
| 22:48.19 | db48x | geoffeg: yea, that would work better |
| 22:48.19 | timeless | db48x: EUNRECOGNIZED |
| 22:48.22 | db48x | timeless: heh |
| 22:48.37 | guerby | kewl bluetooth headset works with N800+OS2008 (both listening and recording) |
| 22:48.47 | guerby | one bugzilla down at last |
| 22:48.49 | guerby | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474 |
| 22:48.56 | geoffeg | guerby: including using skype? |
| 22:49.00 | doc|work | anyone had that? |
| 22:49.22 | derf | I think the word you were looking for was "idiomatic". |
| 22:49.26 | guerby | geoffeg, I don't use skype but if maemo recorder works I assume everything will work |
| 22:49.41 | timeless | guerby: johan's responsible for that |
| 22:49.45 | timeless | he should get around to resolving it |
| 22:49.58 | timeless | guerby: if he doesn't, send him an email and ask |
| 22:50.18 | guerby | timeless, is it for me? |
| 22:50.23 | timeless | (give him 2weeks past the official 2008-n800 release, unless you think he should resolve based on 2008-n810) |
| 22:50.40 | timeless | johan= https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474#c13 |
| 22:51.01 | timeless | although, i wonder |
| 22:51.06 | timeless | does it have HSP yet? |
| 22:51.09 | guerby | timeless, as I commented there everything works super great :) |
| 22:51.15 | timeless | if not, he might be keeping it open until it gets HSP |
| 22:51.48 | guerby | timeless, ah ok don't know what HSP is, anyway I can check? |
| 22:51.51 | timeless | certainly looks like bluez3.20 has some HSP |
| 22:52.02 | halley | Okay, how does one add their own app launch icons onto the homepage/desktop? |
| 22:52.30 | timeless | homepage? |
| 22:52.30 | guerby | timeless, when I disconnected the bluetooth headset with the N800 OS2008 icon, the headset made a phone hang up noise :) |
| 22:52.47 | timeless | guerby: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=hsp&find=bluez |
| 22:52.49 | timeless | (be patient) |
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| 22:54.39 | guerby | timeless, I just checked and 'Device detail' says Supported Profile: HSP when my BT headset is paired |
| 22:55.22 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:55.30 | timeless | actually, You'll see HSP support |
| 22:55.30 | timeless | very soon and hopefully A2DP a little later |
| 22:55.39 | timeless | so maybe the right question is about A2DP |
| 22:56.10 | timeless | again, there's clearly /some/ |
| 22:56.13 | timeless | dunno how much |
| 22:56.22 | timeless | it's really up to johan |
| 22:56.30 | timeless | he is fairly responsive in bugzilla |
| 22:56.31 | guerby | timeless, may be A2DP indeed. Sound is not bad already |
| 22:56.34 | timeless | and knows what he's talking about |
| 22:57.00 | guerby | :) |
| 22:57.08 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:57.20 | timeless | db48x: is chat in the spreadsheet temporary? |
| 22:58.52 | db48x | yea |
| 22:58.58 | db48x | I had to close out and reload it |
| 22:59.05 | db48x | and everything from before that point is gone |
| 22:59.55 | killfill | hey.. |
| 23:00.07 | killfill | ukmp is missing "libbz2-2-1.0" |
| 23:00.14 | killfill | where do i get this?.. :S |
| 23:00.57 | pumpkin | bzip2 |
| 23:01.03 | pumpkin | bzip3 ftw |
| 23:01.13 | killfill | ftw? |
| 23:01.22 | pumpkin | for the wallaby |
| 23:01.32 | pumpkin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bzip2 |
| 23:02.34 | killfill | hm.. but i mean for os2008.. |
| 23:02.47 | timeless | _monkey ftw is for the win |
| 23:02.48 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 23:02.51 | czr | pumpkin, bzip3? |
| 23:02.59 | pumpkin | almost as good as bzip4 |
| 23:03.26 | czr | I actually thought that you were serious for a while there :-) |
| 23:03.28 | pumpkin | :) |
| 23:03.29 | kaltsi | killfill: it's in the sdk repo but that should not really be activated on the device.. |
| 23:03.43 | killfill | sdk.. hm... |
| 23:03.53 | pumpkin | btw, why exactly does it claim the world will explode if I install bash on my n800? |
| 23:03.56 | derf | Now that the arithmetic encoding patents have expired, you could do a lot better than bzip2. |
| 23:04.19 | kaltsi | it also means that konttori has been a bit lazy by not uploading that dependency to the extras repository :( |
| 23:04.26 | killfill | kaltsi: well i just tried to install ukmp.. :S |
| 23:04.53 | kaltsi | killfill: yes from the extras repository? repository.maemo.org/extras , the sdk is without the /extras.. not very clear :) |
| 23:04.58 | czr | derf, not that much better actually. |
| 23:05.15 | pumpkin | well closer to the fundamental limit :P |
| 23:05.17 | kaltsi | pumpkin: because bash will want to replace busybox and all the world depends on busybox |
| 23:05.26 | derf | czr: We know a lot more about the BWT now, too. |
| 23:05.28 | czr | using rzip is normally already much better than just plain gzip2 |
| 23:05.42 | pumpkin | kaltsi: can't they just coexist peacefully? it's just a shell, isn't it? |
| 23:05.55 | czr | derf, true. although I don't. I still remember the color pictures of BWT in dr dobbs when BWT was first published :-) |
| 23:05.58 | killfill | hm.. |
| 23:06.06 | kaltsi | pumpkin: in a perfect non-destructible world yes :) |
| 23:06.10 | killfill | i guess bzip should be on the main repo.. :P |
| 23:06.18 | pumpkin | hmm |
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| 23:06.27 | pumpkin | so how does it blow the world up, kaltsi ? |
| 23:06.34 | pumpkin | I mean, doesn't it just add /bin/bash to the device? |
| 23:06.41 | kaltsi | first slowly and then quite fast.. dunno |
| 23:06.51 | pumpkin | or if the package has crazy requirements, can't they just be relaxed? |
| 23:07.06 | kaltsi | well it will remove everything like the hildon desktop and stuff before installing bash.. and then not reinstall the other stuff |
| 23:07.27 | derf | Actually, I haven't really looked at plain text compression since 2002, 2003. |
| 23:07.34 | derf | I wonder what's been going on. |
| 23:07.35 | pumpkin | hmm |
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| 23:07.46 | pumpkin | but that seems like a package limitation, kaltsi |
| 23:07.54 | kaltsi | pumpkin: yes certainly.. it's solvable |
| 23:07.56 | pumpkin | not an inherent property of /bin/bash being present on your flash |
| 23:07.57 | pumpkin | ah ok |
| 23:08.03 | db48x | hooray for package dependancies |
| 23:08.03 | bill20r3 | bz2 is good, there's stuff that's slightly better, but nothing widely used. |
| 23:08.15 | czr | bill20r3, rzip and lrzip |
| 23:08.23 | czr | and many others as well |
| 23:08.33 | czr | although lrzip has stability issues with large datasets ;-) |
| 23:08.39 | czr | so you might not want to use it for everything |
| 23:09.06 | bill20r3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.13 | bill20r3 | how much better than bz2 are they? |
| 23:09.22 | timeless | doh |
| 23:09.32 | timeless | turns out i actually got an Nb translation! |
| 23:09.42 | kaltsi | what's Nb? |
| 23:09.43 | czr | depends on data set. lzrip basically gains from using huge windows and lzma over rzip. rzip gains from very large windows only (rsync-algo internally first, then bzip2) |
| 23:09.53 | timeless | we misspell it "no-NO" |
| 23:09.55 | timeless | because we're idiots |
| 23:10.00 | timeless | it's nb-NO |
| 23:10.11 | kaltsi | hmp |
| 23:10.15 | czr | bill20r3, http://koltsoff.com/pub/compressor-comparison.xhtml some comparison data from some months ago |
| 23:10.15 | bill20r3 | ahh. so like for multi-gig files? |
| 23:10.26 | czr | bill20r3, my priority was working with virtual machine images |
| 23:10.35 | czr | bill20r3, and finding something that wasn't too slow mainly |
| 23:10.35 | bill20r3 | ahh. |
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| 23:10.53 | bill20r3 | I looke around a little a few months ago. our mail server logs are like 6g/day. |
| 23:10.54 | czr | lrzip is not included since it had stability issues, but rzip and some others are |
| 23:11.06 | timeless | anyway, it turns out my machined translation of Nb was only off by one character |
| 23:11.18 | czr | probably for text files bzip2 is good enough, could be better though |
| 23:11.26 | czr | but for large binary sets rzip should win |
| 23:11.47 | db48x | oops, xml parsing error |
| 23:11.59 | bill20r3 | wow, rzip is *way* tighter. |
| 23:12.08 | czr | bill20r3, ended up developing my own format for that project in the end. didn't find anything useful :-) |
| 23:12.13 | bill20r3 | at least on that dataset. |
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| 23:12.22 | czr | yes. the dataset is 100+ virtual machine images |
| 23:12.27 | czr | so some structure is inherent in it |
| 23:12.44 | pumpkin | how well does it compress /dev/random? :P |
| 23:12.48 | czr | text would be more difficult for rzip to optimize over, since the rsync algo isn't byte-precise |
| 23:12.54 | czr | pumpkin, 50%! |
| 23:13.00 | pumpkin | oh my! |
| 23:13.19 | pumpkin | I need it to fit into one byte, unfortunately |
| 23:13.33 | kaltsi | use lossy compression |
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| 23:13.36 | db48x | heh |
| 23:13.37 | bill20r3 | do the 'virtual machine images' include large blocks of possibly-empty disk space? |
| 23:13.37 | pumpkin | ah, well, I'll wait for better compression to come along |
| 23:13.52 | db48x | dev/random compresses very well |
| 23:14.00 | db48x | all you need to record are the initial conditions |
| 23:14.07 | czr | bill20r3, not really, all images are sparse (do not include too much zero) |
| 23:14.17 | bill20r3 | pumpkin, you can only get that kind of compression ratio with write-only compression schemes. |
| 23:14.17 | derf | db48x: You must be thinking /dev/urandom |
| 23:14.19 | czr | bill20r3, there's some, but not much. |
| 23:14.26 | pumpkin | lol |
| 23:14.40 | db48x | derf: perhaps |
| 23:14.48 | bill20r3 | they're a touch on the lossy side. |
| 23:14.53 | bill20r3 | ok, I'm out. |
| 23:15.03 | derf | /dev/random is supposed to continually inject sources of actual entropy before it will give you more data. |
| 23:15.05 | czr | nah. initial conditions = position and energy of all particles in the universe at the moment that compressing starts |
| 23:15.23 | czr | so it's pretty trivial. takes a lot of space, but .. :-) |
| 23:15.27 | derf | czr: I'm just guessing here, but I think recording that would take a lot of space. |
| 23:15.31 | bill20r3 | that'd be read-only compression. |
| 23:15.53 | czr | derf, plus there'd be the issue of the state containing the result eventually as well.. |
| 23:15.57 | derf | That's not my definition of "compresses very well". |
| 23:16.01 | db48x | heh |
| 23:16.48 | alterego | 10x720 pixels wasted! |
| 23:16.52 | sp3000 | oh, yeah, I should flash something, shouldn't I |
| 23:16.58 | alterego | That's a line of _very_ small text! |
| 23:17.09 | timeless | sp3000: hey, last call for alkohol |
| 23:17.11 | db48x | alterego: plus the two columns down either side |
| 23:17.16 | timeless | if you want any more changes to fi, now's your chance |
| 23:17.19 | timeless | finalizing... |
| 23:17.27 | czr | timeless, you still wasting time on that fi-blurb? :-) |
| 23:17.38 | timeless | i'm copying the blurbs into the files now |
| 23:17.46 | czr | ah. my mistake :-) |
| 23:18.20 | pupnik | if any of you have some money to invest in speakers, check these out |
| 23:18.21 | pupnik | http://www.vmpseurope.com/reviews.htm VMPS speaker reviews.... |
| 23:18.25 | czr | hmm. anyone know what's the shortest url to refer to a specific patch in sf.net? |
| 23:18.28 | pupnik | i love them |
| 23:18.43 | pupnik | qurl? |
| 23:18.51 | czr | needs to be stable |
| 23:20.26 | timeless | this rocks. |
| 23:21.08 | sp3000 | czr: so do you prefer etenee hitaasti or kestää pitkään/kauan |
| 23:21.28 | czr | both preferred for obvious reasons, but depends on the woman in question normally. |
| 23:21.39 | czr | sp3000, what's the full version you have now? |
| 23:21.48 | czr | etenee hitaasti is more optimistic |
| 23:21.57 | sp3000 | Tällä sivulla oleva komentojono on jumiutunut tai sen suoritus etenee hitaasti. Voit pysäyttää komentojonon valitsemalla OK tai jatkaa odottamista valitsemalla Peruuta. |
| 23:22.09 | czr | O |
| 23:22.12 | db48x | timeless: 'that's a "fine and understandable" translation' reports my cousin, in re the russian translation |
| 23:22.12 | czr | I'm fine with that |
| 23:22.16 | sp3000 | k |
| 23:22.37 | czr | kestaa pitkaan is some form of swedisism, I'm pretty sure. |
| 23:22.44 | sp3000 | timeless: I guess it's as fine as it'll gets. it's a bit different because I sure don't know how to express the line is taken and the script won't answer the phone thing ;) |
| 23:22.58 | timeless | http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/510019/6923215/npr_6923215.mp3 |
| 23:23.09 | sp3000 | so it's stuck or taking a long time to complete, instead |
| 23:23.19 | timeless | jump to around 30mins into that podcast |
| 23:23.21 | db48x | timeless: though the party of the third part isn't around any longer to comment further, as he has now gone to bed |
| 23:23.23 | sp3000 | which will fly or won't |
| 23:23.33 | timeless | every 90s or so into that stream you'll hear the announcer speaking |
| 23:23.34 | db48x | something about timezones and 'nighttime', not sure that was translated properly |
| 23:23.49 | timeless | because that was the best arrangement they could get w/ sony bmg |
| 23:24.08 | sp3000 | the other part is s/komentotiedosto/komentojono/ (command file vs command sequence, so to speak) |
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| 23:24.22 | timeless | db48x? |
| 23:24.22 | _Monkey | i think db48x is the one who can't edit his |
| 23:24.37 | db48x | I'm perfectly capable of editing my |
| 23:25.03 | db48x | timeless: my cousin doesn't trust her fluency, so she asked a friend who is russian |
| 23:25.03 | sp3000 | can I edit yours too? |
| 23:25.04 | kaltsi | the internet said you aren't.. now who are we going to believe? |
| 23:25.15 | halley | I think maemo.org is the slowest domain on the planet. |
| 23:25.38 | db48x | halley: from all the way out there, they're probably all pretty slow |
| 23:25.46 | db48x | sp3000: sure! :) |
| 23:25.54 | timeless | db48x: i'm losing stuff in this scrollback, stick things into the chat view? |
| 23:26.02 | sp3000 | hmm, rhythmbox thinks backup.metadata on the N800 is a playlist |
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| 23:26.23 | timeless | sp3000: yum |
| 23:26.27 | timeless | ~sounds~ nice |
| 23:26.29 | czr | sp3000, it's an advanced media player |
| 23:26.34 | czr | hah timeless |
| 23:26.38 | sp3000 | sounds empty :) |
| 23:26.59 | czr | in the void of N800, will anyone hear if rhythmbox plays a metadata file? |
| 23:27.00 | halley | You can't swing a dead n770 without hitting three "media player apps." |
| 23:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | What is this "n770" you speak of? :P |
| 23:27.44 | czr | short for "not N770" |
| 23:28.57 | halley | GeneralAntilles, you know anything about maemocjk.garage? And hildon's plans for japanese input? |
| 23:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | No, why would I? :) |
| 23:29.15 | alterego | I can really screw around with the themes .. |
| 23:29.21 | halley | Dunno, you seemed to know everything else last night. |
| 23:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm limited to English and just a touch of Spanish. :) |
| 23:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:29.32 | alterego | I can make my theme resizable me thinks .. |
| 23:29.38 | alterego | Maybe also take up less room. |
| 23:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | Well, thanks, but that knowledge doesn't extend to foreign languages and whatnot. Sorry. :) |
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| 23:30.22 | czr | alterego, push it out of the window to leave more room in the room? ;-) |
| 23:30.56 | alterego | :) |
| 23:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | It can join my bluetooth keyboard! |
| 23:31.34 | czr | GeneralAntilles, small bt generals will result of that? |
| 23:31.49 | alterego | I'm thinking make the application title bar smaller. |
| 23:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan. |
| 23:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe put together a number of options for it, too? |
| 23:33.04 | alterego | Actually I'm just going to trim out the useless 10x720px in my theme for now. |
| 23:33.09 | alterego | Don't want to go _over_ board .. |
| 23:33.43 | halley | alterego, is there a howto for making themes? or just hack one open and replace/edit? |
| 23:33.49 | alterego | That's insane .. It actually worked ^_^ |
| 23:34.34 | alterego | halley, I'm hacking one open and editing it. Quite drastically in fact. I'm also righting various scripts to help create themes so if you wait a week or two you might be able to use what I'm working on now :) |
| 23:34.58 | alterego | s/righting/writing/ |
| 23:35.05 | alterego | fucking infobot .. |
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| 23:35.48 | czr | yeah, that is irritating |
| 23:38.14 | alterego | What would be useful is some kind of WYSIWYG editor for this stuff. Or a plugin for the GIMP that auto-generates a screenshot like my script does. So you can keep track of what it'll look like through the preview. |
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| 23:40.05 | timeless | dear world, the fruits of your labor can be found at: |
| 23:40.06 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-l10n/l10n2/fi/locale/fi/global/dom/dom.properties#38 |
| 23:42.01 | czr | yay. finally got the patch into ubuntu. bleh for reportbug not supporting broken MTAs ;-) |
| 23:42.09 | alterego | Some of these numbers are botched. |
| 23:42.14 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-D@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 23:42.25 | alterego | That explains this odd 12x50 pixel area that has no use but to look ugly. |
| 23:42.36 | lopz | hola |
| 23:45.31 | czr | hmm. submitting a one line patch shouldn't take 1,5 hours. |
| 23:45.54 | timeless | ok... anyone want to play a fun game? |
| 23:46.10 | doc|work | once again, no, now put your pants back on. |
| 23:46.12 | pupnik | is it ... |
| 23:46.25 | timeless | sp3000: do you remember where the home page lives? |
| 23:46.26 | alterego | Hahah |
| 23:47.08 | czr | heh |
| 23:47.18 | czr | reminds me of one xkcd, let me dig for it |
| 23:47.25 | timeless | doh |
| 23:47.29 | timeless | it's in a private file |
| 23:47.39 | alterego | Oh, that's pretty. I've now shaved off 10x720 pixel area and everything looks perfect. |
| 23:47.40 | timeless | ok, so... anyone want to play a fun game? |
| 23:47.45 | alterego | I wonder what it was there for. |
| 23:47.57 | timeless | it requires tablet-browser-ui |
| 23:48.20 | alterego | Actually, I know what it was there but it's not required in my theme me thinks. |
| 23:48.44 | czr | http://xkcd.com/330/ |
| 23:48.45 | timeless | actually |
| 23:48.56 | timeless | is the only thing that changes on the google page the logo? |
| 23:50.26 | db48x | timeless: what game is that? |
| 23:51.10 | timeless | db48x: figuring out what changes are necessary to make the home page look "localized" |
| 23:51.27 | timeless | i've thought about it a bit |
| 23:51.32 | db48x | heh |
| 23:51.38 | timeless | and i think the answer is that it's *just* the powered by logo |
| 23:51.48 | timeless | and the cool thing is, i got that translated a few weeks ago |
| 23:51.48 | doc|work | czr: heh |
| 23:51.49 | db48x | with all those layers between main() and gecko? |
| 23:52.10 | timeless | the uncool part is that i don't think anyone converted them from psd to png(?) |
| 23:52.18 | timeless | and i don't know how to magically use "the right file" |
| 23:52.35 | db48x | oh, you mean just by swapping out the logo on the startup page |
| 23:52.40 | timeless | yeah |
| 23:52.42 | db48x | rather than changing which page gets loaded |
| 23:52.47 | shacka1 | why once I installed a program under a menu section, it keeps reinstalling under that section without asking me anymore ? |
| 23:52.54 | timeless | db48x: i could do either |
| 23:52.58 | db48x | does it load a chrome url or something? |
| 23:53.24 | timeless | it's more evil than that |
| 23:53.30 | db48x | if so you can put the images into the locales and reference it by their chrome url |
| 23:53.33 | timeless | it loads a file path and lies |
| 23:53.35 | db48x | make gecko do the real work |
| 23:53.39 | timeless | hrm |
| 23:53.40 | timeless | wait |
| 23:53.43 | timeless | you're right |
| 23:53.48 | timeless | we do theoretically have chrome support |
| 23:54.22 | timeless | but.. i don't know what "app" we have |
| 23:54.30 | db48x | what do you mean? |
| 23:54.41 | db48x | czr: heh, yea |
| 23:54.45 | czr | multiple times too |
| 23:54.47 | czr | "duh" |
| 23:56.39 | timeless | db48x: ok, you're right |
| 23:56.41 | timeless | this is trivial |
| 23:56.46 | timeless | if i had root anyway |
| 23:56.51 | db48x | cool |
| 23:56.52 | db48x | heh |
| 23:56.53 | timeless | db48x, can you try this? |
| 23:56.58 | timeless | take a random picture |
| 23:57.00 | timeless | stick it in |
| 23:57.01 | db48x | yea, I suppose |
| 23:57.20 | doc|work | would the n800 hardware allow for the charging icon to show a charge level? |
| 23:57.31 | timeless | /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/en-US/locale/branding/ |
| 23:57.43 | timeless | load chrome://branding/locale/foo.png |
| 23:57.46 | timeless | it shoudl load |
| 23:57.51 | alterego | Yeah .. These numbers don't add up .. |
| 23:57.54 | halley | Is there an apt or dpkg command that will print all the dependencies for a given dpkg? |
| 23:58.44 | alterego | dpkg? |
| 23:58.57 | inz | halley, do you mean an installed package, a package in repo or a local file? |
| 23:59.00 | timeless | apt-cache show ? |
| 23:59.09 | timeless | oh for a .deb |
| 23:59.42 | inz | apt-cache show should work for packages in repos and those installed |
| 23:59.43 | timeless | dpkg -f |
| 23:59.45 | alterego | So .. Matchbox is the reason I don't have transparency in my application title bar O_O |
| 23:59.52 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
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