IRC log for #maemo on 20071126

00:00.46czrhmm. is chinook extras actually useful for anything at the moment?
00:01.33GeneralAntillesYes.
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00:03.50czrGeneralAntilles, examples?
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00:05.28GeneralAntilleshttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/
00:05.30GeneralAntillesThings in there.
00:06.08czrI know where the repo is. I asked whether it's useful for anything :-)
00:07.10GeneralAntillesI'm 10 hours off a sleepless redeye here, I can't recall. :P
00:07.27GeneralAntillesBut I recall the app manager being much less sparse after I enabled extras
00:07.37GeneralAntillesand it solves a number of dependencies, too.
00:07.46czropenssh is there hmm.
00:08.13czrand scummvm
00:08.13_Monkeyscummvm is probably a program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files. http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/
00:08.38czrah yes. and the broken python thingy too
00:09.05GeneralAntillesI'm digging these cheap cables, maddler. This stuff actually any good?
00:09.37czrGeneralAntilles, just trying to decide whether to mirror it or not
00:09.47GeneralAntillesAh, right.
00:09.53GeneralAntillesThen it's a less-simple decision.
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00:24.46czrbtw, is it normal to get failed verification issues when installing packages from the repo?
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00:27.49GeneralAntillesGPG certs? Yes, czr.
00:29.42czrGeneralAntilles, yeah.
00:29.55GeneralAntilles(I wish they would update those)
00:29.56czrGeneralAntilles, I'm noticing there are no signatures in the repos, or at least I can't find them
00:30.14czrok, just checking (I'm doing the SDK install in a slightly un-orthodox way :-)
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03:05.31pupniknice find with that Youtube of the wii camera controller
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04:34.27troofcan someone tell me how i can bypass the product id so i can put the newer os on my 770?
04:36.11pupnikyou can put 2007he on 770
04:36.31pupnik2007he?
04:36.32_Monkeyi guess 2007he is really great
04:37.44pupnikhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php
04:39.41troofis there any way i can put the n800 software on my 770
04:39.57trooferk
04:41.17troofthankyou pupnik i will use the 2007 hacker version for now
04:41.20pupnikyes, OS2007 gets you N800 software on 770
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04:41.52pupniks/OS2007/OS2007HE/
04:41.59troofappreciate it, i couldn't find this for some reason
04:42.12troofand my product id worked yay
04:42.23pupnikyw :)
04:42.46troofi just hope mapper doesn't give me any problems, i really want to try the 2.05 ? release
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05:01.56trevarthanHey, has there been any work writing GUI apps for Maemo as client/server web pages?
05:02.12trevarthanI've seen this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/apache/
05:02.36trevarthanAnd this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/serverbrowserappdevelopment/
05:02.55trevarthanSeems like a really great idea.
05:03.14trevarthanAnyone have any thoughts on it?
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05:09.58oil_pupnik: you mean that the 0S2007 sw would run on 770?
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05:22.57dick-richardsonhow do you flash the new firmware onto the n810? "sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" doesn't work...i'm getting "Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!" "Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out"
05:23.12dick-richardsonthe md5sum for the downlaod is correct
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05:32.36dick-richardsonnm, wrong command
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05:35.11lopzbye
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05:42.12Prezn810, lucky guy...
05:42.21Prezwaiting for IT2008 for n800
05:44.50trulsis there an equivalent for gnome-open in bora?
05:45.09trulsto open a file with the default hildon-registered program?
05:45.18truls(from the command-line or from a program)
05:49.01oil_I'm thinking how to use wii-remote with n800. would there be some practical use cases for it?
05:49.38Prezis wii-remote bluetooth?
05:49.49astro76would be useful just as a bluetooth gamepad
05:49.50astro76yes
05:49.54oil_last night I played wiirider game on N95 so that the controls came from Wii-remote
05:50.10astro76great for fceu :)
05:50.18astro76would be
05:50.19oil_this one http://www.symbianresources.com/projects/wiirider.php
05:50.26oil_what is fceu?
05:50.27_Monkeyfceu is, like, really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click
05:50.48astro76fceu is an nes emulator
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05:51.55oil_wii-remote could be also nice remote controller for multimediaserver when using TV as display
05:55.40oil_then the other way around. installing wii-remote to an 'rc'-car, connect leds and rumble to car controls. then use n800 to drive the car (and why not write programs to teach the car how to drive)
05:57.14l7http://www.slashgear.com/copycat-chinese-gps-borrows-heavily-from-n800-125714.php
05:57.26l7old news, but interesting
05:58.32PrezThis is why I never program anymore, things like this distract me... http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423997
05:58.49Prez4 days of that...
05:59.53pupnik_that's you?
06:00.08Prezthat picture of a hot friend..
06:00.41pupnik_http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423402  i like the pool and the plants
06:00.47pupnik_i want a house like that
06:04.05Prezhaha
06:04.12Prezu can rent it, it's a hotel
06:04.32Prezin San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua
06:04.40pupnik_pretty
06:05.08pupnik_i wouldn't touch computers if i had money
06:05.18Prezhaha
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06:07.37l7hey, who uses boxwave screen protectors?
06:07.53l7i'm trying to decide between the Crystal and the Anti-Glare
06:08.17oil_Prez: you are from Nicaragua?
06:08.34astro76l7, I am using the crystal
06:08.43l7astro76: how do you like it?
06:08.56astro76l7, I love it, feels great, installs easy
06:09.04l7i got the rough impression that the crystal is like a glossy lcd screen, is that true?
06:09.09astro76l7, if you had a lot of outdoor/car use, you might consider the anti-glare
06:09.19astro76l7, the crystal is like having nothing on your screen at all
06:09.25l7ah nice
06:09.34l7is the anti-glare one a little duller?
06:09.36astro76l7, I don't feel it adds any extra reflectivity whatsoever
06:09.47astro76l7, supposedly 90% transmission vs 99%
06:10.01l7or maybe it produces a slight discoloration like anti-glare eyeglass coatings
06:10.04astro76I haven't seen the anti-glare in person
06:10.08l7hrm
06:10.19l7what brightness setting do you usually use?
06:10.34oil_Prez: http://oil.iki.fi/Travel/2001/Nicaragua/Ometepe/Image75.html ;) Actually nice country and very beatiful scenary.. but the rice and beans suck after a week ;)
06:11.11astro76l7, usually the top 2/3 of the range
06:11.21astro76max mostly ;)
06:11.25l7ah
06:11.33l7hrm, maybe i'll start with the crystal
06:11.59l7it does claim that the anti-glare improve handwriting recognition
06:12.04l7perhaps it makes the screen more paperlike
06:12.20Prezoil_: wow, funny, u've been here... i agree if all u eat are rice and beans, u go nuts
06:12.23l7astro76: is the crystal easy to remove and reapply?
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06:12.33astro76it seemed to me that the crystal even improved finger touch operation
06:12.36astro76l7, very, you can wash it
06:13.21l7hmm, i guess it makes more sense to start with the crystal then and see if glare is troublesome :)
06:13.35oil_Prez: yes. while backpacking the money is quite limites .. and therefore need to eat as cheap as possible :)
06:13.45Prezoil_: haha...
06:14.08astro76l7, what do you have on now?
06:14.19Prezoil_: whre u from, finland?
06:14.22l7astro76: nothing, the n800 is in the mail :)
06:14.31astro76l7, ah :D
06:14.36l7does the n800 come with some sort of screen protector?
06:14.38oil_Prez: originally yes. now living between singapore and thailand.
06:14.53l7i saw from the unbox that there is a shiny bit of plastic with a tab on it
06:15.01l7not sure if that is the "screen protector"
06:15.28astro76l7, it does, you can use it with it on... won't last too long though I'd imagine
06:15.39Prezoil_: wow, yep, just read ur bio... working no N series stuff?
06:15.50l7hrm
06:15.59l7any idea where to get a voucher code for boxwave?
06:16.15l7i'm wondering if i should order direct or use amazon for more protection
06:16.31astro76l7, I've ordered direct twice, very fast service
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06:16.56oil_Prez: kind of a mixture. normally voip etc. but n800 is a great proof-of-concept device.. as it's possible to shell scripting to it :)
06:17.13l7astro76: how long did it take to ship / arrive?
06:18.05Prezoil_: cool... is it2008 shipping early december for n800?
06:18.15astro76l7, last order shipped on 11/1, arrived on 11/3 ;)
06:18.30oil_Prez: sorry, I don't know. :)
06:18.52l7astro76: with the $2.50 shipping option?
06:19.32astro76l7, yes
06:20.05mbuf"darcs failed: Failed to download URL http://scratchbox.org/repos/1.0/sb-toolchain-extras/_darcs/inventory" how can it be resolved?
06:20.06oil_Prez: I'm not directly working with it. just using it as a user.
06:20.13Prezoil_: got it...
06:22.25mbufhow do i find out which version of scratchbox i am using?
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06:29.25pupnik_N810: WHEN?
06:29.30pupnik_When N810?
06:29.44pupnik_When is then?
06:30.03pupnik_When?
06:30.28Prezpupnik_: what u got now, n800?
06:31.03pupnik_770
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06:32.20Segnale007hi there
06:32.20_Monkeyniihau, Segnale007
06:32.33Segnale007how is it going ?
06:32.40K`zanFinally seem to have gotten ubuntu streightend out!
06:33.01pupnik_you fdisked it?
06:33.34Segnale007so .. I wanna get a n800 .. but i need to know somenthing about it
06:33.45Segnale007I have few questions about
06:33.56K`zanGreat device, get one :-).  Buy com bas them for $199 :)
06:34.04Segnale007fluxbox or xfce running on it ?
06:34.12Segnale007I need a sip client
06:34.20Segnale007on fbsd i use xlite
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06:34.32K`zanNot sure what the wm is on it, but there are several SIP clients.
06:34.35Segnale007exist a sip client for it ?
06:34.48Segnale007sorry my lang so poor and bad
06:34.56K`zanGizmo, Twinkle, Skype.
06:35.03K`zanThat I know of :-).
06:35.06Segnale007uhm ..
06:35.18K`zanSegnale007: You are doing better in mine than I would in yours :-)!
06:35.34Segnale007but I need to configure the sip client with my provider voip
06:35.34K`zanI have had mine about a week now, love it more by the day.
06:35.43Segnale007just freecall and justvoip
06:35.54PrezK`zan: u got n800 or n810?
06:35.57K`zanLook up Twinkle and Gizmo
06:36.05Segnale007ok man .. ty
06:36.09K`zann800, I want my own choice of keyboard and GPS.
06:36.17K`zanI rather like Twinkle.
06:36.30Segnale007;)
06:36.31K`zanGizmo seems flakey to some degree, but it does work.
06:36.36Segnale007I try it ..
06:36.45hugol1Gizmo is not open source btw
06:36.48K`zanOops, Twinkle doesn't run on the n800...
06:36.57Segnale007uhm
06:36.58K`zanYes, but...
06:36.58_Monkeyi think but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord?
06:37.03Segnale007and than..gizmo ?
06:37.23K`zanThere is a SIP client built in I think?!?
06:37.30K`zanNow that I think about it...
06:37.36Segnale007I don't know
06:37.42K`zanYes, major strike against Gizmo.
06:37.48Segnale007I need to configure it with freecall
06:37.52Segnale007ok man
06:37.54Segnale007ty
06:38.18K`zanGlad to help, but as noted, I have had mine about a week now :-) so I am relatively clueless in this group.
06:39.34hugol1Segnale007:  http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
06:39.41Segnale007you ok man
06:39.42oil_there are several sip voip providers in the world. good to be able to use the services with maemo as well
06:39.45Segnale007ty so much
06:40.01Segnale007so good :)
06:41.09K`zanI just wish I could figure out the audio on my roomies deb box to get it where she can talk and hear with twinkle, other than that it works fine :-).  Another project to the list :).
06:41.12Segnale007beautiful .. look perfect fo my ..
06:41.20hugol1Segnale007:  it seems like sip is suported directly by the n800 mesaging system with that update
06:41.44Segnale007yah ..
06:43.04Segnale007just today I going to get it ..
06:43.23hugol1haha, Segnale007 I got mine 3 days ago and its great
06:43.37Segnale007I'm sure about :)
06:43.57Segnale007after .. I wanna try a port arm of NetBSD
06:44.04Segnale007hope it working good
06:44.05K`zanSnarfing that update now, thanks!
06:44.35Segnale007I juste love bsd sistemy
06:45.24Segnale007personally ..  I love freebsd
06:45.29Segnale007:P
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06:46.16K`zanSeveral things it won;t run, other wise I'd be running bsd in some form :)
06:46.49Segnale007uhm ..
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06:56.56rubikshttp://youtube.com/watch?v=6hKWM5Z1zds
06:57.03rubiksvery funny
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06:58.40pupnik_too real
06:59.16rene4jaz3hi, I can not setup graphical output on my arm target :(
06:59.43rene4jaz3I'm using the Xvnc/vncviewer way
07:02.25pupnikexport DISPLAY variable?
07:02.30db48xrene4jaz3: it'll probably be much easier to just run another xserver outside of scratchbox
07:02.50rene4jaz3127.0.0.0:1
07:03.23db48xthat ip address is wrong
07:03.28db48xyou can just leave it out
07:03.34pupnikahaha
07:03.39db48xDISPLAY=:1
07:03.48rene4jaz3I use Xephyr on my host_pc target and works fine, but not for my arm target
07:04.05kulve127.0.0.0 vs. 127.0.0.1
07:04.11db48xrun Xepher from outside of scratchbox
07:04.30db48xthere's no need for it to be inside
07:05.44db48xis your scratchbox set up inside of a virtual machine?
07:08.43K`zanhugol1: Is that SIP update good to go, big beta note there made me wonder.
07:09.26rene4jaz3db48x: my scracthbox is not inside a VM
07:09.36db48xok
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07:10.03rene4jaz3I run Xephyr from outside scractchbox
07:10.10db48xI run Xephyr not just outside of scratchbox, but also outside of the vm it's in
07:10.38db48xrene4jaz3: ok. it just sounded like you weren't. I'd bet it was just your DISPLAY variable then
07:11.08db48xbbl
07:12.00rene4jaz3is was working well with my host_pc target, the problem came when I switched to arm target
07:13.17rene4jaz3I tried with the 127.0.0.1:1 value (Since the first time, I mis write the number on the chat)
07:13.57rene4jaz3db48x: do you use Xephyr or Xvnc way?
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07:26.54cookiehello
07:26.59K`zanNight folks!
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07:28.06cookieu from usa?
07:31.29rene4jaz3can any one show me how he/she setups the graphical output form arm targets?
07:31.54pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo  Here is howto
07:38.41Prezpupnik: niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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07:39.32pupnikthat is going on my 770
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07:47.35cookiepupnik: hey
07:52.09timelyxquick question
07:52.16timelyxwhat's nokia's primary business activity? :)
07:52.22timelyxInformation Technology Related
07:52.22timelyxTelecommunications
07:52.24timelyx:)
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07:56.02abв духе Прачетта: Почему президентов России не зовут Игорь?
07:56.11timelyxEnglish
07:57.56abtimelyx: yep, wrong channel window
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08:01.41pupniki want Nokia to do an advertisement on the N810 that emphasizes the freedom ... to do internet wherever you want
08:01.44pupnikand use this song!
08:01.52pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT-IOkVP4B4  - Ween - Freedom of 76
08:02.08cookieI still don't lke the n800
08:02.16cookieI mean...the aspect...the design
08:02.30cookieI like the 770 more than all 3 of them
08:03.15l7timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :)
08:03.31cookieyou?
08:03.37cookiel7: You sell tem
08:03.38pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png  cookie
08:03.40cookiethem*
08:04.05timelyxcookie: English here depresses me
08:04.05l7cookie: er no..
08:04.11timelyxalbeit less than any other language
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08:04.34l722:22 < timelyx> what's nokia's primary business activity? :) -> l7> timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :)
08:04.37timelyxyou could say that you like the 770 the best of all 3
08:04.38cookiepupnik: that is what you would like it to look like?
08:04.47l7i was kidding
08:04.58pupnikcookie: just one idea :) yeah
08:05.04timelyxl7: i liked that response. but i don't think they had a fill in the blank entry
08:05.21cookiepupnik: I think(NO DUH) that the best one is the n810
08:05.28timelyxpupnik: is that photoshop?
08:05.31l7timelyx: were you looking at some kind of quiz?
08:05.32cookiebut I still like the 770
08:05.32pupnikgimp
08:05.39timelyxl7: survey
08:05.42cookieIt's 1337
08:05.47l7what is the url?
08:05.53cookieand the n810 is too fancy
08:05.55timelyxum
08:06.03timelyxhttp://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2222015,00.asp
08:06.06timelyxbut it's random
08:06.10timelyxyou might not get it
08:06.11l7oh ok
08:06.26timelyx(actually odds are pretty much against you getting it)
08:07.00l7yup, no quiz
08:07.06Prezlaterz, bedtime..
08:07.08l72 random stories about nokia though
08:07.10pupnikcu Prez
08:07.24l7that does remind me i should shop for cybermonday deals
08:07.38l7i doubt there are many deals for n800 cases or screen guards
08:07.46l7maybe for sd cards
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08:08.29timelyxi need someone to find me free shipping on books
08:08.45timelyxand then i should just order lots of books leveraging the weak dollar :)
08:10.42l7lol
08:10.49timelyxhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501548.html
08:10.51l7timelyx: do you live outside the US?
08:10.54timelyxyes...
08:11.07timelyxi earn eur but would rather consumer usd
08:11.13l7i've been wondering about why it's been so hard for people to get n800 gear shipped outside the US
08:11.18timelyxsince everything is overpriced in eur
08:11.20l7haha
08:11.33timelyxhrm... overvalued too
08:11.43timelyxi mean, why would i want a microwave that doesn't have a popcorn button
08:11.49timelyxit doesn't even have numbers...
08:11.53timelyxbut it's still expensive
08:11.59timelyxgah...
08:12.00l7it'll be a huge bargain while sellers continue to sell this cheap
08:12.19l7i think they will have to mark up their prices in dollars eventually though
08:12.30timelyxcan't afford to
08:12.41timelyxanyone dumb enough to do so abandons the market
08:12.47timelyxamerican consumers can't afford the inflation
08:12.56l7true..
08:12.59timelyxand would either by from a competitor or another market
08:13.07l7i wish i could earn euros now though :)
08:13.09timelyx(instead of a phone, they buy a game)
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08:13.23l7i guess that means they'll have to hold their dollars and hope for a rebound
08:13.29l7or just take the losses
08:13.35timelyxpretty much
08:14.05timelyxprobably they'd try to hold dollars or pay for services w/ dollars they've received
08:14.16l7maybe that's one of the reasons it's hard to get certain products mail ordered to the EU?
08:14.20timelyxavoiding any usd=>* conversions
08:14.32timelyxif you mean it devices...
08:14.48timelyxsince the original vendor wants you to buy it in the eu
08:14.55timelyxand pay the eu price...
08:15.14timelyxbut basically most us stores don't have any interest in selling overseas
08:15.16timelyxwhy would they?
08:15.23timelyxyou're a complicated expensive customer
08:15.26l7yeah, the n800 was about $200 this weekend...
08:15.31timelyxand they have more than enough local customers
08:15.36l7like 130-140 euros i guess
08:15.38timelyxfor whom they need to compete
08:15.47timelyx200 U.S. dollars = 135.6392 Euros
08:16.17timelyxyou're probably best off finding a friend in the states and offering to pay for shipping
08:16.17l7hmm
08:16.27l7well i am in the states :)
08:16.33timelyxbe someone's friend? :)
08:16.39l7which i why i wish i could earn euros :)
08:16.46timelyxyeah yeah
08:16.51l7sure, why not? :)
08:16.53timelyxbut heck, even cad's are useful today
08:16.54hugol1|7 I earn euros
08:17.02hugol1the problem is I have to pay euros as well
08:17.08timelyxhugol1: not true :)
08:17.13l7yeah, higher wages = higher prices
08:17.22l7well, mostly
08:17.25hugol1timelyx:  not true what?
08:17.25timelyxl7 will gladly spend your eur as usd and ship it back for you :)
08:17.36l7lol
08:17.42l7i have 0 eur
08:17.53hugol1timelyx: sure, Ill keep that in mind
08:18.02timelyxl7: you wouldn't get eur either way
08:18.06timelyxjust temporary usd
08:19.18hugol1the only good thing about the euro so strong is now we can travel.
08:19.30timelyxum
08:19.34timelyxdon't travel to europe :)
08:19.38timelyxyou can travel to the states
08:19.52l7wow the CAD is beating the USD even
08:20.01timelyxl7: has been for over a month
08:20.12timelyx(it changed while i was vacationing in central europe)
08:20.13l7yeah, this kind of sucks, since i've been wanting to travel
08:20.23timelyxl7: you have 50 states
08:20.25timelyxpick 2
08:20.29l7bleh
08:20.32l7i'm tired of the states
08:20.38l7i want to see the world!
08:20.40timelyxbad timing =(
08:20.44czrgo to venezuela ;-)
08:20.50l7and make money with spending power
08:21.16czrtimeless, I updated 2376
08:21.35l7i guess it is a good time to buy stuff here
08:21.48czrheh. I added some bugs yesterday! yes yes, it was me, I'm the one who keeps on introducing bugs into the SDK :-)
08:21.53hugol1czr:  at least in Venezuela you have free healt
08:21.56hugol1*health
08:22.04l7heh
08:22.04czrhugol1, my health is pretty free as it is :-)
08:22.08czrbut yeah, true :-)
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08:22.32timelyxczr: your health is free until you need services
08:22.36hugol1if you have an illness you better be at Venezuela than at the US (unless you are very very reach)
08:22.37timelyxthen you get a 6mo wait :)
08:22.42l7well if the venezulean currency goes down, it'll be cheaper to travel there
08:22.48hugol1*rich
08:22.48l7or less expensive i guess
08:23.00czrtimelyx, depends, but yeah. that wasn't what I meant though :-)
08:23.09timelyxi know
08:23.16czrI know you do
08:23.21l7hugol1: are you in venezuela now?
08:23.47hugol1no
08:23.47timelyxbut it bothers me when nordics proclaim the wonders of their health system
08:23.47timelyxwhich is at least as broken as the us system
08:23.48czrtimelyx, it used to work much better here. still does in norway, so I hear.
08:23.49l7how so?
08:24.08l7i've heard the canadian health care system works well
08:24.16timelyxl7: the cost per visit may be fixed theoretically
08:24.21timelyxbut if the number of visits climb
08:24.26timelyxtotal costs must rise
08:24.30timelyxso how do you deal w/ that?
08:24.35timelyxeither cut quality or visits
08:24.41l7hmm
08:24.42timelyxvisits are cut by increasing wait
08:24.46hugol1|7 I think the canadian health system only sounds good because is near US and is the one it gets compared too
08:24.50timelyxand well,... they also cut quality
08:25.05hugol1compare it to some european health system and will see
08:25.06l7hmm, you mean if the total number of visits climb -> costs must rise or quality must go down?
08:25.28timelyxas an American, i believe the reason the Canadian system works is that when there are problems Canadians go to the states
08:25.51timelyxl7: or someone must enforce limits on visits
08:25.52czrdon't they have private health stuff in canada?
08:25.53timelyxbut yes
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08:26.00hugol1timelyx:  XD
08:26.03l7timelyx: hmm, interesting theory
08:26.10timelyxl7: forget theory
08:26.23hugol1timelyx:  it wasnt a joke?
08:26.24dougbis there an alternative way to download maps for the OS2008 app?
08:26.24timelyxit's basic economics and there are decades of evidence
08:26.32l7americans do spend more money per capita on healthcare though i think
08:26.42timelyxdougb: find a friend w/ them
08:26.43timelyxand copy
08:26.49l7pupnik: er, how did you get that?
08:27.32timelyxdougb: i'm not sure there are any legal ways
08:27.38timelyxthe map data is presumably (c) someone
08:27.39pupnikit was lying around a laboratory i moved into
08:27.51abdougb: wayfinder.com
08:28.06abdougb: they are supplier of mapping technology in n810
08:28.17hugol1timelyx:  what if you download the maps just for personal use, is that ilegal as well?
08:28.50timelyxthis isn't software
08:28.53timelyxit's maps
08:28.59czrtimeless, it's copyright A+accent wayfinder
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08:29.08timelyxczr: no, that's the software
08:29.11czroh
08:29.20czrhmm. the map data might be even worse then ;-)
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08:29.21timelyxthe maps were copyright A+accent someone else :)
08:29.59czrTele Atlas N.V.
08:30.11czrbut that might depend on the map as well
08:30.19czrthis one covers scandinavia, so /me shrugs.
08:30.22timelyxthe about screen only listed one
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08:30.31timelyx(having read the mo flfe...)
08:30.32czrI only have one map installed..
08:30.35czrah
08:30.35timelyxblah
08:30.41timelyxit was hard coded
08:30.46timelyxwait
08:30.56czrwho cares :-)
08:31.09timelyxi think actually it was flexibly coded
08:31.14timelyxbut there was only one set of answers
08:31.21timelyxso it was both soft and hard coded :)
08:31.44czr"just to make sure it doesn't change ever again"-coded.
08:32.06timelyxum
08:32.11timelyxczr, load http://wayfinder.com/?id=5436&lang=en-UK
08:32.21timelyxwhat button icons do you see on the "device"?
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08:33.08czra lot of circly things. the image is really small
08:33.18timelyxi mean hardware buttons
08:33.30timelyxi'm trying to decide if that's a real device or an unreal one
08:33.50czrit has the two funny ones only
08:34.05czrbut why would you want to use a keyboard when using the route map thingy anyway?
08:34.18czrthe picture clearly emulates driving on a freeway :-)
08:34.28timelyxever try entering an address?
08:34.36timelyxor did i neglect to demo that?
08:34.37czrwhile driving on a freeway?
08:34.42czrah, no :-)
08:34.52timelyxwell, if you read the manual, you wouldn't
08:35.02timelyxotoh, if you try doing it, you'd soon learn why not :)
08:35.07czrheh
08:35.18timelyxwhich reminds me, i need to make space for filing bugs on maps
08:35.27timelyxi'll make sure that's available by close of business today
08:35.39timelyxopinions welcome
08:35.56timelyxif you <#maemo> were to file a bug in Map, where would you look to file it?
08:35.58czrI'll be busy doing the last chapters today
08:36.12czrtimeless, SDK of course.
08:36.25timelyxand if you were someone other than czr, what kinds of bugs would you file?
08:36.29timelyx=b
08:36.31czrheh
08:37.04czrI'd probably file smt along the lines of "the map application looks butt-ugly"
08:37.12czrbut since I'm czr, I'm not going to do that
08:37.37czrbesides, I'm running an old image. "I'm sure the new one is much better".
08:38.07czrtimelyx, bug 95
08:38.07_MonkeyBug 95 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95
08:38.30czrthat actually was my 13th maemo bug
08:39.29timelyxoptimist!
08:39.36czrread the comments :-)
08:40.01timelyx> "I'm sure the new one is much better".
08:40.12czrah. I used the ironic quotes!
08:41.01timelyxis that like the fancy &gt'; quotes i mentioned? :)
08:41.13czrheh
08:41.25czrkind of. but the only way to tell them apart from normal quotes is the way I type them
08:42.26timelyx`hey
08:42.36timelyxcan i thumbs down old articles?
08:43.03czrI have no idea
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08:45.56timelyxseems to work :)
08:46.34pupnikhah cool!  flash 9 on opera on It2006
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08:51.31pupnikhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995#post99995  flash 9 in opera on it2006
08:51.34pupnikflash9?
08:51.34_Monkeyflash9 is much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience
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08:52.32pupnik_Monkey: forget flash9
08:52.32_Monkeypupnik: I forgot flash9
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08:52.54Mmm810Ne1 know how to edit the things on the app menu nokia 810.  Some things i want to remove
08:53.43pupnik_Monkey: flash9 is available via new microb browser - plugin also appears to work fine in opera browser on it2006 - instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995
08:53.43_MonkeyOK, pupnik.
08:56.12pupniknow we just need a mplayer flash video player plugin for opera
08:56.25pupnikand it2006 on 770 suddenly competes with OS2008 :)
08:58.06[pablo]Mmm810: under panel on control panel click organize
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09:00.54Mmm810Thx yeh but alas cant delete there and i have orphaned icon for something i uninstalled so was poking around as root for where to mod it
09:04.33pupnikthere might be a .desktop file left lying around
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09:09.25JaffaMorning, all
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09:23.35Mmm810Oh thx ill check those
09:24.03timelyxpupnik: not true
09:24.12timelyxflash9 came before microb was released
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09:25.59pupnikok fix to accuracy then
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09:28.39timelyxleft as an exercise :)
09:29.20timelyx4.2007.26-8 introduced flash9
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09:45.36AD-N770bon dia / good morning
09:48.43pupnikohayo!
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10:22.11Mikhodoes anybody know how could I check whether a GObject* is a GtkWidget*?
10:22.21_berto_GTK_IS_WIDGET(obj)
10:22.39_|Nix|_GTK_IS_WIDGET(the_object)
10:22.51_berto_mine is less code :P
10:23.02MikhoI've been scanning the Gtk documentation for a macro like that but haven't found it yet
10:23.16Mikhobut this will do, thanks
10:23.37timelessinz: ping
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10:25.33_berto_Mikho: there are similar macros for all other objects
10:25.36_berto_GTK_IS_BUTTON
10:25.39_berto_etc.
10:25.56timelesswhat happens if there are two objects by the same name? :)
10:26.16_berto_I don't understand your question
10:27.07timelesswhat if library "foopy" pulled in randomly and library "barpy" also pulled in randomly both want to have objects name ZAP
10:27.25timelesswhich leaves you wondering what GTK_IS_ZAP would do :)
10:27.42timeless(different ZAP objects of course... no fun if they're the same)
10:28.12_berto_and what if you have two functions called init_connection() in two different modules?
10:28.15_berto_it's the same problem
10:28.21_berto_there's only one namespace
10:28.34timelessnot precisely true :)
10:28.52timelessdlopen and friends mean i can sorta deal w/ that
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10:28.56timelesswell, ideally
10:29.05timelessnot sure how well it works in practice :)
10:30.04timelessheh, poor jake
10:30.22timelesshe pulled in a public bug that was already reported internally :)
10:31.26felipectimeless: well, you have -I flags so you can deal with that too
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10:35.31zuhtimeless: GTK_IS_ZAP is a macro so that would not be a problem. The problem is if both want to register the exactly same type, which would fail for the last one trying.
10:38.08zuhhmm, I don't see any mention about what the g_type_register_* family returns on errors...
10:38.27maddlermorning all
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10:40.54rothielHi guys :)
10:42.15zuhok, they return 0. Which is an invalid type, which should make any checks fail gracefully. So I would guess it just won't be able to instantiate the object (and likely segfault since who checks for nulls for every widget creation anyway ;).
10:42.18Spakman_does anyone know if there's a changelog for the new OS2008 firmware?
10:42.40Spakman_(since the previous OS2008 version, I mean)
10:44.26timelessspakman: typically there aren't useful ones :)
10:44.33timelessi just grabbed the source drop an hour ago
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10:44.47timelessgive me a bit and i'll try to figure it out
10:44.49Segnale007hi there
10:46.38Spakman_timeless: cool - thanks :)
10:47.58timelessstrange
10:48.07timelessa quick scan, assuming i got everything right
10:48.11timelessshows that no package versions changed
10:48.23timeless(not impossible, but strange)
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10:51.44timelessi'm diffing changelogs, this isn't promising
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10:53.45Mintidoes anyone know how to capture "force-list-kludge" signal for GtkTreeView?
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10:54.34Mikhowould somebody know if I can put a GtkButton in a column in GtkListStore?
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11:06.39timelesssorry, i can't find any deltas
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11:12.01inztimeless, pong
11:14.12inztimeless, GTK_IS_ZAP would be a macro and would cause compile time problems if used in separate places
11:14.48inztimeless, should the two classes use similarily named "type getter"-functions, it might be a problem
11:15.16inztimeless, and if they try to register same class name (in g_type_register_*), glib will moan
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11:16.58czrhmm. are there devhelp packages for the maemo 4.0 versions of the libraries anywhere?
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11:18.25trulshow does the hildon file-manager know which applicatinos to launch for which files?
11:18.35trulsany command-line launcher available that does the same?
11:22.02inztruls, it most likely uses osso_mime_open_file() from libossomime0
11:22.14inztruls, no idea of a cmdline version, would be trivial to implement though
11:22.23trulsah, sounds accessible from python
11:23.08trulsyes, it is :)
11:23.10trulsfabulous
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11:25.31Khertan_TheRealHi
11:26.18Khertan_TheRealI'm trying to compile a open source program ... but it s require python2.3 >= (this version is in the sdk) with --shared-library
11:26.31Khertan_TheRealcompile option
11:26.45Khertan_TheRealdoes i need to recompile all python ?
11:28.25jumpulamaemo's python is not compiled with that option?
11:28.45jumpulathe python 2.3 is a host (native) tool provided by scratchbox
11:29.27jumpulause /usr/bin/python2.5 (maemo's case) or SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python
11:30.39Khertan_TheRealhum ... i ll try to install pymaemo on the sdk so :) i only have python2.3 on my sdk
11:31.40Khertan_TheRealhum no listed on apt-cache ... maybe i need to add some repos
11:31.47trulshm, almost a oneliner: python -c "import sys, osso; osso.mime.Mime(None).open_file(sys.argv[1])" "file:///home/user/MyDocs/New memo.png"
11:32.01trulsinz: thanks
11:32.37jumpulathe package name should be python2.5
11:32.55jumpulapython2.4 then
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11:33.58jumpulaif 2.5 is not available in repository.maemo.org
11:34.54jumpularepository.maemo.org chinook/free has 2.5.1-1osso3
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11:36.44Khertan_TheRealextra bora repos wasn't in my source.list
11:37.00jumpulaah, you're developing for bora
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11:39.13trulshm, the mime_open_file thing didn't really work that well...
11:39.22trulsack
11:39.40|tbb|hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong
11:43.26Khertan_TheRealjumpula> yes i m developping for bora at this time ... i m still downloading the last vmware image for chinook :)
11:46.16inztruls, maybe you need to open a dbus connection first or something
11:46.43inztruls, I don't know python nor the bindings, so I wouldn't know fer sure, but the C version takes a D-Bus connection
11:47.36trulsinz: it also requires being initialized with a osso context?
11:47.53trulsthe thing is that it mostly works, it just opens the wrong file...
11:48.45Khertan_TheRealjumpula > i still have the same message about python and the compile option --shared-library ... :(
11:49.16jumpulayou tried python2.4 or python2.5?
11:49.26Khertan_TheReali ve installed version 2.5 from pymaemo and change the symlink /usr/bin/python
11:49.52jumpulathat doesn't help because /usr/bin/python is redirected to host
11:49.57pupnikmight as well be BASIC
11:50.06jumpulaeither use /usr/bin/python2.5
11:50.31jumpulaor tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python
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11:51.22Khertan_TheReal"<jumpula> or tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python" how i do that ?
11:52.44jumpulaSBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python
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11:53.06jumpulanote, that after that you have to explicitly execute /usr/bin/python
11:53.26jumpulais you use just plain python, it gets redirected
11:53.50jumpulais suppose you can force python for configure
11:53.53jumpulaie.
11:54.05jumpulaexport SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python
11:54.13jumpulacd yourpackage-version
11:54.28jumpula./configure PYTHON=/usr/bin/python && make && make install
11:54.55jumpulabut again, you're much better off if you just say PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5 for configure
11:55.04jumpulathere's no python2.5 on the host-side
11:55.10jumpulait never gets redirected
11:55.30jumpulaand you don't have to specify any funky environment variables in package building
11:56.56Khertan_TheRealif i ask it because when i set python path in configure i still get the same error :)
11:57.03Khertan_TheRealso 2 options :
11:57.21Khertan_TheReal-doesn't care of python path
11:57.39Khertan_TheRealpython (pymaemo) 2.5 isn't compile with --shared-library
11:57.52Khertan_TheRealand the third ... i'm too stupid :)
11:58.09Khertan_TheRealand i make a dumb error
11:58.22Khertan_TheReali ll go to eat ... :)
11:58.28Khertan_TheRealsee u in 1 hours :)
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12:04.20timelessinz: hey, do you watch the x terminal component in bugs.maemo.org?
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12:06.10czrI wonder whether they have political asylums in the bahamas
12:06.24xandhmm, if I have my 770 in host mode, and connected to a usb hub by a 3-way cable, will it charge from that or does it need the power cable too?
12:06.50lardmananyone familiar with select(FD_SETSIZE, ...?
12:07.00czrlardman, sure
12:07.16czrthere's a tutorial manual page for it too :-) select_tut or something like that
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12:07.54lardmanyeah, I'm getting a segfault in a piece of code and was wondering if anyone knows of a working example for me to compare against
12:08.04czrread and understand select_tut
12:08.08czrFD_SETSIZE looks wrong
12:08.54lardmanright, will have a read
12:08.54czrthe first parm is the max fd number that you want the kernel to track
12:09.02czrnot the size of the array that you pass
12:09.17lardmanhere's the code anyway: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/temp/minimad.c
12:09.18czrs/array/whatever the set is/
12:10.07lardmaniirc the segfault is with the line: "FD_ZERO(&fdset_w);"
12:10.25lardmanI must look at the macros
12:11.14czrtry separating the two sets:
12:11.17czrfd_set fdset_r;
12:11.21czrfd_set dfset_w;
12:11.35czrfdset_w even
12:11.49lardmanthat shouldn't make any odds though...?
12:12.00czrhumor me :-)
12:12.15lardmanno worries, I will do, will have to be this evening though when I get home
12:12.19czrthe first param to select in your case should be fd+1
12:12.25lardmanthanks for the idea though
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12:16.10czrlardman, the code also assumes that fd_sets can be copied with =
12:16.26czrbut that should actually work in linux :-)
12:18.26lardmanmy first use of select, so I need to do some reading about it
12:18.26lardmanor rather my first sight of someone else's use of select
12:18.52lardmanI was also wondering whether the dsp task device file will behave in the right way for select to be used
12:19.37czrweird though. tell me how it goes
12:19.50lardmanwill do and thanks again
12:21.22lardmanon a completely different topic, what's the news on N810 availability?
12:21.49czras whether the dsp device supports the model, will depend on the device driver directly. good luck and tell me how it goes :-)
12:22.28lardmanyeah, if I get the code looking like it should work, I'll take a look at the kernel code for the device.
12:22.35trulshm, trying to find a way to open the filemanager to a certain directory (preferably using a link on the maemo desktop)... any suggestions?
12:23.13lardmanIt might be easier to use a different model for the comms though, get the dsp to always signal what it wants (ie. to read or to write) then the arm-side could just block on a read and be done with it
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12:23.35lardmantroof: dbus?
12:23.35_Monkeyi heard dbus was awesome too. :)
12:23.47lardmantroof: sorry, wrong person
12:23.53lardmantruls: dbus?
12:23.53_Monkeydbus is probably awesome too. :)
12:24.17trulslardman: hm, probably.. *reads up*
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12:25.47czrlardman, actually the model that is in the program looks very unixy (good).
12:25.58czrand it is signalling now, via select :-)
12:26.04czrthat's the Proper Way(tm).
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12:26.47lardmanyes it would be best to use signalling so other things can be done
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12:30.59VeggenPumich: (Another _Monkey gripe - if it *is* gonna reply spuriously, why do people have to add useless info like that?)
12:31.06czrlardman, just don't use signal()
12:31.12Veggen(eh, s/Pumich://)
12:31.13czrlardman, use I/O
12:31.24czrlardman, as you already have
12:31.29lardmanVeggen: I thought it just picks things up?
12:31.36Veggenlardman: oh, it does.
12:31.50Veggenmy bad. But I still hate it :)
12:31.56lardmanczr: ah yes, I wasn't meaning the function call, just in general terms
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12:32.05lardmanVeggen: me too
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12:39.22Khertan_TheReali ve try to compile gemrb ... but i got an error that i don't understand : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=100015#post100015
12:39.22Khertan_TheRealsomeone has try too ?
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12:41.48lardmanKhertan_TheReal: the two types are of different sizes?
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12:46.07Khertan_TheRealnice split
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12:47.44alteregoBanana?
12:47.44_MonkeyBanana is something I'd like right now
12:48.06czrhey alterego
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12:50.40pupnikKhertan_TheReal: GemRb is not yet playable
12:50.41Khertan_TheReallardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7*
12:50.45Khertan_TheReallardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7
12:50.55alteregoczr, aloha
12:50.55Khertan_TheRealpupnik > ah ... lol
12:52.06pupnikbut but i'll check
12:53.25pupnikKhertan_TheReal: problem is openal?
12:54.14pupnikah no i see sorry - variables
12:59.08Khertan_TheRealpupnik > no openal is compiled :)
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12:59.28pupnikyes same error here - something about the poitner cast
12:59.42lardmanVariables.cpp:81: warning: cast from `__POSITION*' to `Variables::MyAssoc*' increases required alignment of target type
12:59.51Khertan_TheReal;)
12:59.51pupnik"EI WAS RUBBED BITUMEN!"  \o\  /o/  \o/  _o_
13:00.04lardmanI'm not sure how it can increase the alignment, but perhaps it alters it
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13:01.58bedboihi there... anyone knows if mplayer works on os2008?
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13:02.18lardmanI understand there's an OS2008 version
13:02.57pupnikis xsp still in OS2008?
13:02.59bedboiany pointer?
13:03.26lardmanon itt, don;t have the link to hand atm
13:04.10|tbb|hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong
13:04.49pupnikthey say you need to have a lot of free space (2x map size?) |tbb|
13:05.11Khertan_TheReal|tbb| launch it in xterm ... u ll get more details
13:05.24|tbb|where the maps will be downloaded by default
13:05.50bedboilardman: thank's i'll check myself and try
13:06.04pupnikGemRB project working on GUIScripts ( Development info )
13:06.05pupnikposted by Saint_Proverbius on Sun 26 September 2004, 02:10:15
13:06.22pupnikprogress is slow Khertan_TheReal
13:07.29pupnikhttp://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showforum=91   to contribute...
13:07.46bedboilardman|away: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/
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13:14.32Ub0ntybroken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/ http://www.gulli.com/
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13:15.18lopzhola
13:15.18_Monkeyprivet, lopz
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13:16.27Don^hello
13:16.27_Monkeyhey, Don^
13:16.36Don^umm.. first time here.
13:16.49Takhello
13:16.49Don^and just because i think you guys might be my only help. seems that i bricked my n800
13:17.25Don^or ... well not completely bricked, but google found out that someone here had the same problem earlier. :D
13:17.35pupnikmore info pls
13:17.45Don^holdon
13:18.01Don^anyway, after the battery died on me the other day the unit didn't boot. so i decided to reflash the thing.
13:18.14Don^didn't really help. but now the symptoms are different
13:18.34Don^everything goes okay, but using flasher i get "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out"
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13:19.22Takare you using flasher-3.0 ?
13:19.28Don^this is after i try to manually supply the x-loader image.
13:19.48Don^if i try the whole distribution bin i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image"
13:19.56Don^yes, i use flasher-3.0
13:19.58Taksomething's wrong
13:20.03Don^indeed
13:20.38Takyou should just be able to use the FIASCO image
13:20.38Takwhat's the name of the file you have?
13:21.09Don^RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
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13:22.35Takhmm - does the md5sum check out?
13:22.38Don^yes
13:22.53Don^i can unpack the bin-file using flasher-3.0
13:23.00Don^so i guess the bin is ok
13:23.20Don^just won't do anything to the bootloader and it seems that i can't fix it directly for some strange reason.
13:23.42Takwhat command are you trying to flash the image?
13:24.05Don^the whole thing or the loader only?
13:24.42Don^sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
13:25.18Don^sudo ./flasher-3.0 -x xloader.bin-RX-34\:1301\,1302\,1501\,1502\,1503\,1504\,1601\,1602 -f -R
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13:26.54Don^knew it isn't simple ;)
13:27.35Don^i've got to run into a meeting now. leaving this on screen, so if anyone has any suggestions what to try please let me know. i'll be reading the backlogs in 2hrs.
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13:28.36Don^damn. would not like to buy a new unit. :(  ... anyway it's going to be N810 in that case.
13:30.04pupnikmaybe customer support knows?
13:30.14Don^this is pretty much the same situation my n800 is now in: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96431 ...
13:30.39Don^hmm, maybe. I think i should call them. :) Usually there's no point since somebody somewhere knows how to get out of the situation. :D
13:31.17Don^now to the meeting.
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13:44.30X-Fade_Psst: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html
13:45.07czrX-Fade_, cool.
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13:45.19czrX-Fade_, should i use the beta image instead of the internal one?
13:45.59X-Fade_czr: I guess they should be compatible? :)
13:46.10czrsure. it's only that mine is running .42-18
13:46.25czrso I'm thinking that the beta might be a better choice since it's newer
13:46.43X-Fade_czr: Yep, for sure..
13:47.03czrmaybe I'll reflash tonight then. thanks for the heads-up.
13:47.11alteregoOoo, beta OS2008 for N800?
13:47.12alteregoNice ..
13:47.22X-Fade_czr: Make sure you do a backup in 2008 first.
13:47.39X-Fade_czr: That way it restores your apps too, after flash.
13:47.39czrX-Fade_, I don't have anything useful on it except a WPA passphrase :-)
13:47.47czrapps? what apps? :--)
13:47.53czrI use the device for testing only.
13:48.03X-Fade_czr: ;)
13:48.04czrso no problemo
13:48.20czrX-Fade_, the backup thingy doesn't save network settings and pairing stuff, does it?
13:48.31X-Fade_czr: It does.
13:48.42czroh. cool. maybe I'll try the backup thingy then.
13:48.44Takthe backup app does save networks and pairings even on os2007
13:48.59czrTak, I barely ever used OS2007
13:48.59X-Fade_czr: At least network, don't remember about bt pairing/
13:49.19czrI guess I'll find out
13:49.25Takhah - 2006?
13:49.28Tak2005?
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13:49.35czrTak, 2005
13:49.52lophytemorning guys
13:50.06czrTak, or what was on 770 when it was launched.
13:50.36alterego0.1 alpha 1986
13:51.20Takdamn
13:51.44Takours came with 2005, but 2006 was available at that point, and we flashed it posthaste
13:51.54alteregoIt's a shame those images aren't still available as I'd have loved to have seen the early maemo releases :)
13:52.15alteregoI guess they were never available for the N800 regardless.
13:52.30X-Fade_alterego: I have some of them ;)
13:52.49X-Fade_alterego: But what we have now is way better.
13:52.59alteregoI might buy a 770 at some point.
13:53.21alteregoMy dad got one so I've been getting him to lend it to me for testing occasionally.
13:53.41alteregoI think he wants to sell it and get an N810, maybe I'll buy it off of him :)
13:54.00X-Fade_There is some kind of OS2008HE version planned, but not everything will be ported.
13:54.18alteregoIt'd only be to do releases for OS2006
13:54.19X-Fade_Or a frankenstein mix of 2007 and 2008 ;)
13:54.44alteregoHE would already be supported through my N8X0 development.
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13:55.46|tbb|<Ub0nty> broken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/  <-- that were a big reason why i should upgrade to OS 2008 ;)
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13:59.41X-Fade_|tbb|: What's wrong? Looks ok to me?
14:00.21TakI love the look/feel of the 770
14:01.09vegaiI suppose the insides of a 810 don't fit inside a 770 :P
14:01.24X-Fade_Tak: Yeah, but would want trade the grainy screen and cpu ;)
14:02.56Takheh, the cpu could use improvement
14:03.11TakI honestly don't have an issue with the screen, though
14:03.23X-Fade_Tak: Until you have used the N800.
14:03.40X-Fade_I have both and notice it a lot when switching between them.
14:04.20|tbb|xfade: i dont know but Ub0nty says it wouldnt look ok
14:05.03Takwe have an n800, but I guess I don't use it enough for the difference to bother me
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14:10.06|tbb|RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 will this release have the fm-radio applet included?
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14:26.33matmohello. I'm trying the latest SDK VMWare Appliance. Anyone know the admin password so I can configure the network?
14:26.46X-Fade_matmo: maemo?
14:26.46_Monkeymaemo is probably a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
14:27.29matmoX-Fade_: ty, I should have tried the obvious, lol
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14:27.56X-Fade_matmo: Heh ;)
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14:38.49matmo_ha, found the "project home page" for the SDK VMWarw appliance... always forget to check that link on garage pages
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14:49.30pupnik_Monkey: longcat is eating a city near you - background for tablet theme http://pupnik.de/nokia_bg_lngcat.png
14:49.31_MonkeyOK, pupnik.
14:50.38lardmanimage download is veerrrryyy slow
14:51.24X-Fade_lardman: To keep you in suspense ;)
14:51.43lardmanyeah, oh well, left it downloading at home as I thought I should come back to work
14:53.09JaffaOuch. Everyone read qgil's email on maemo-dev about "N810 discount codes [...] to be fully operational in the Nokia online shops by 15/dec"
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14:58.01lardmangood, at least we have a date
14:58.22pupnikyaay
14:59.18pupnikmuch nicer to have some idea of timeframe
15:00.03lardmanexactly, can stop refreshing the nokia shop page now :)
15:00.24pupnikyes that was getting crazy
15:00.57Takapropos, the Tab Mix Plus extension has a nice "Refresh Every..." feature
15:03.49Jaffalardman: zactly
15:04.43alterego"by 15/dec" ?
15:04.56alteregoSo it _could_ be earlier if the elves work quicker.
15:05.00alteregoDamn santa and his elves.
15:05.04JaffaIt *could*
15:05.04lardmanok, so perhaps some gentle refreshing, exponentially increasing towards the middle of Dec
15:05.29alteregoQuim is now Santa.
15:05.34alteregoI expect coal :P
15:06.02lardmancoal's probably worth more these days than it used to be... :)
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15:08.06Ar-rashi
15:08.06_Monkeyhi, Ar-ras
15:08.19Ar-rasi updated my N800 to OS2008 with official FW
15:08.21Takparticularly in USD
15:08.26Ar-rasbut Skype doesnt install
15:08.35Ar-rassays i have to update to N810
15:08.42Ar-rasany solution?
15:08.50Ar-rasexcept buying N810
15:09.01shackanAr-ras: there's 0s2008 for the N800 ?
15:09.05X-Fade_Ar-ras: There is no Skype for OS2008 yet..
15:09.08lardmanTak: Zimbabwean dollars are probably the worst
15:09.25Ar-rasX-Fade
15:09.27Ar-rassure it is
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15:09.49lardmanAr-ras: sounds like a bug
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15:09.58Ar-ras2 mb size and Version 1.7.62.48.2
15:10.21Ar-rasnot like before Version 0.01
15:10.23shackanAr-ras: but the latest n800 image on the nokia website RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
15:10.29shackan+is
15:10.32Ar-ras???
15:10.35Ar-rasno
15:10.39lardmanno, there's a later on, do a refresh
15:10.43lardmans/on/one
15:10.44Ar-rasRX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 134931407 Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 The first IT OS 2008 release for Nokia N800
15:10.46Takhttp://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html
15:10.59shackandamn!
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15:11.06X-Fade_Ar-ras: Ah yeah, now it is there. Wasn't last week ;)
15:11.11shackanI checked this morning
15:11.14X-Fade_Duh ;)
15:11.22shackanand flashed the latest one hoping is was 2008
15:11.36shackanall just to be greeted with the old theme
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15:12.35Ar-rasHow can I update my device to N810 :D
15:12.53Ar-rasapt-get install N810-Update_for_N800
15:13.16hullfandanDoes anyone have a couple of minutes to help a complete Maemo noob :)
15:13.23TakAr-ras: you have to add the chinook extras-hardware repo
15:13.24X-Fade_Ar-ras: Ok, I can reproduce it..
15:13.45Ar-rasTak do you mean it serious? :D
15:13.55Takhullfandan: describe your problem, and somebody will take a stab at it
15:13.55Ar-rasheeh
15:14.11X-Fade_Tak: No, it actually states that you N810 OS is not recent enough..
15:14.25Ar-rasmaybe
15:14.41Ar-rasDoes somebody has N810?
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15:15.35timelesshrm
15:15.43timelesshas anyone here ever gotten an error from migard?
15:15.47timelesshttps://maemo.org/midcom-exec-midcom/cron.php?type=day
15:15.50timelessYour user account does not have sufficient privileges.
15:15.50timelessAccess denied: You need administrator privileges.
15:16.14X-Fade_timeless: You shouldn't be using that url at all.
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15:17.17timelessum, i didn't try to
15:17.37X-Fade_timeless: Where did you find it then? :)
15:17.37timelesswell, i got that page
15:17.40timelessi didn't try to get that page
15:17.47timelessnow i have a cooler page:
15:17.47timelessFavourites
15:17.47timelessyou have already buried the item
15:18.00timelessat the bottom of my screen, *below* sponsored by Nokia
15:18.22timelesshow do i log out?
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15:19.38X-Fade_timeless: Via the midcom menu.. Or switch to http.
15:19.42hullfandanthe Nokia comes with Maemo 2.x? is that the same as OS2006?  and so the development environment I need to make apps is 'gregale'?
15:19.43timelessum
15:19.47timelessi need to be able to log in again
15:19.51hullfandansorry Nokia 770
15:19.52timelessand i don't have a menu
15:19.54timelessthat menu requires js
15:20.00X-Fade_https://maemo.org/midcom-logout
15:20.01timelessdidn't anyone tell you js is not always available? :)
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15:20.11timelessError 404: Page could not be found.
15:20.12timelessThe requested URL /midcom-logout could not be found on this server.
15:20.12timelessMon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:07 +0200
15:20.52X-Fade_https://maemo.org/midcom-logout-
15:20.54X-Fade_Sorry ;)
15:20.57X-Fade_Typo..
15:21.07timelessthat takes me to a login screen
15:21.10timelessnot very intuitive
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15:21.55X-Fade_Everything on https will take you to the login screen. As that requires you to log in ;)
15:22.16timelessok: steps
15:22.20timeless1. visit https://maemo.org/midcom-logout-
15:22.30timeless2. visit http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2007/11.html
15:22.48timeless3. click on the thumb down icon near The Cyclomatic Horror From Outer Space
15:22.54timelesshttps://maemo.org/news/favorites/bury/midgard_article/70787c82832011dcb1132707c3f560f660f6/?return=%2Fmidcom-exec-midcom%2Fcron.php%3Ftype%3Dday
15:23.27hullfandanIs there a better website than maemo.org for developers?  I just keep getting broken links like this one : http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html
15:23.48hullfandanI've never known a site with so many dead links
15:23.55timelesstry the 4.0 tut instead ? :)
15:24.05timelesshullfandan: try nokia.com
15:24.07X-Fade_timeless: I see it too.
15:24.08timelessit has more dead links
15:24.15timelessx-fade: the bug?
15:24.25X-Fade_timeless: Please file a bug and add bergie to it ;)
15:24.33timelesscvool
15:24.33Takheh, wouldn't the 4.0 tutorial give you broken packages for os2006?
15:24.38timelesswho or what is a bergie?
15:25.04hullfandanis os2006 == Maemo2.x ?
15:25.07lardmanhe's one of the chaps who works on maemo-mapper iirc
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15:25.11timelessyes
15:25.20hullfandanwhy call it two different things?
15:25.21X-Fade_timeless: The one that developed the social news part.
15:25.38timelessok, filing....
15:25.46kaltsihullfandan: I guess you found the tutorial though: https://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html
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15:26.17kaltsiand let me remove the https for you:  http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html
15:26.26X-Fade_timeless: I think I know why that happens ;) That archive is created via cron.
15:26.29hullfandanthanks I hadn't found that actually
15:26.41X-Fade_timeless: So the return page is somehow the cron script ;)
15:26.42hullfandanthe site is so bad I feel ill when I have to use it so I try to use other stes :/
15:27.14kaltsihullfandan: where did you find that link.. let's get it fixed?
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15:27.40hullfandanhttp://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html
15:27.43timelesses, you got it :)
15:27.43hullfandanbottom of the page
15:28.33Ar-rasmmh
15:28.41Ar-raswhat is the password of root?`
15:28.44kaltsihullfandan: thanks for pointing it out, now it's fixed.
15:28.48Ar-rasrootme doesn work
15:29.04timelessx-fade: problem
15:29.09timelessi don't know bergie
15:29.10hullfandanthat was fast, I will send other if I find them thanks
15:29.25timelessterje ?
15:29.55timelessBug 2387 Submitted
15:29.55_MonkeyBug 2387 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2387
15:29.59X-Fade_timeless:   henri.bergius A T iki.fi
15:30.00timelessx-fade: fix the cc list :(
15:30.08kaltsihullfandan: ok.. I'll be gone for now but if you prepend the reports with my name I can get them fixed when I come back.. cheers
15:30.11timelessoh brother. fixed
15:30.39timelessx-fade: so um,... did i favorite it or not?
15:30.48hullfandanI am trying to develop an application that will share mobile phone films via BT/OBEX push.  I have already developed a similar software for full PC but that was windows/Java based because of the hardware. The Nokia 770 hardware looks perfect for what we need so I am now looking to create a similar version but for the 770.
15:31.31hullfandanSadly I have little linux experience and am still struggling with Ubuntu so I think half of my problems are just linux and not Maemo specific :(
15:31.34X-Fade_timeless: Doesn't look like it.
15:31.47timelesswah
15:31.52timelessbut i wanted to bury it :)
15:32.01X-Fade_timeless: although I don't know if it updates in the archives ;)
15:32.12hullfandanok Kaltsi will do
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15:32.18X-Fade_timeless: Maybe cron has to pass over it again..
15:32.18inztimeless, re-pong
15:32.34timelessinz: hrm, i was trying to ping about bugzilla/xterm
15:32.39hullfandanI will get there though.  Does anyone know of any Obex applications already of the 770 for sending files?
15:32.41timelessdo you watch that component?
15:32.53timelesshullfandan: pretty sure i saw one
15:33.19hullfandanI've googled but not found anything
15:33.23timelesshttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/btxfer/
15:33.50timelessnot sure how you googled :)
15:34.08inztimeless, I no have access :/
15:34.17timelessinz: bugs.maemo.org?
15:34.17_Monkeyi guess bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications
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15:34.24hullfandan:) I think I saw that but as it's been going for over a year and not released any files yet I kind of ignored it :)
15:34.25timelessit's public
15:34.26Segnale007hi there
15:34.44inztimeless, oh there, though you meant the other 'zilla ;)
15:34.56timelessinz: there's only one that matters :)
15:35.05timelessall others are myths, shadows, ghosts, ...
15:36.13timelesshullfandan: um, they did release something
15:36.25pupniki need a wife that runs linux
15:36.31hullfandanoh sorry again just confused by the website :)
15:36.35timelessanyway, if you need to rebuild the package
15:36.36timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/btxfer/
15:36.42timelesstheir svn is available
15:37.09inztimeless, well, what of it, I only see two bugs there
15:37.10timelessinz: anyway, do you watch that component?
15:37.22timelesshttps://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers
15:37.24hullfandanthanks timeless
15:37.45timelessfrom https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=System%20Software#X%20Terminal
15:37.49timelesscopy    osso-xterm-bugs@maemo.org
15:37.56timelessand paste that into the watch list
15:38.21timelessinz: i'm part of "virtual maemo" and we're trying to make sure bug components are owned
15:39.33inztimeless, am watching it now
15:39.59timelessthanks
15:40.12timelessbut oh well
15:41.29inztimeless, do note however that I have nothing to do with the "official" xterm =)
15:41.39inztimeless, except that it is based on my version
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15:41.50timelessinz: as far as debian is concerned, it's yours :)
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15:45.04Don^ok. i'm back.
15:45.10Don^seems that no-one came up with a solution :(
15:45.28TakDon^: Are you connecting through a USB hub?
15:46.10Don^no
15:46.20Don^of course not. don't trust those things.
15:50.09lardmanflashing troubles?
15:50.18lardmanYou sure your computer doesn't have a hub built in?
15:51.18cy3o3Nice, OS2008 confirmed on N800
15:51.32timelessconfirmed?
15:51.38timelesswe've promised it for a year
15:51.45timelesswhat's there to confirm?
15:51.59cy3o3Well, it's available I mean :P
15:52.01cy3o3http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_N800.php
15:52.13timelessthat's a beta, no?
15:52.28matmo_hmmm, need help getting started with SDK. Seem to remember when I tried earlier version I had to login to SB, correct?
15:52.53cy3o3timeless: Not sure on that.. was just going through my rss feeds and came across this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TabletblogcomByThoughtfix/~3/190731813/newsflash-os2008-on-n800-gets-official.html
15:53.31zoranno official news from nokia?
15:53.42Don^lardman: :D
15:53.54matmo_hmmm2, ok the launch icon logs me in , I think
15:54.22Don^lardman: well. something went wrong with the unit after the battery died on me. flashed it, went ok - unit stays in reboot loop and now i cannot flash it anymore.
15:54.40matmo_but "whoami" returns "maemo" so same user name used for VMWare environment and SB
15:54.47Don^lardman: i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
15:54.47Don^To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image"
15:55.13timelessi'm going by the topic url
15:55.15timelesswhich points to 44-4
15:55.16matmo_(head hurts, lol)
15:55.24Don^and when trying to flash just the xloader i get: Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out
15:55.24timelessi'll go yell at someone now, give me a min
15:56.25zoranDon^, don't want to bother, but did you changed something to spoil booting sequence?
15:56.40X-Fade_Don^: You can try to flash it with 0xffff
15:56.56X-Fade_Don^: Not sure if that will change anything..
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15:58.15lardmanDon^: is this a 770 or an n800?
15:58.28Don^lardman: n800
15:58.33Don^zoran: nope.
15:58.56lardmanI second X-Fade_'s suggestion, 0xffff might give you more verbose error messages too
15:59.07dpb_cy3o3, zoran: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html <- it's beta.
16:00.12Don^lardman, X-Fade_: 0xffff? now i'm a tiny bit lost.
16:00.36matmo_Don^: happened to me. I remember something about holding a button while switching it on, sry can't recall exactly, maybe search ITT
16:00.40X-Fade_Don^: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/
16:01.37zoranDon^, I had to push home putton while powering on the device during reflash
16:01.46zoran*button
16:01.47Don^ok
16:02.03zoranDon^, it was 770!
16:02.25lardmanDon^: are you using the right flasher? flasher-3.0
16:02.50Don^yup
16:03.00Don^correct flasher.
16:03.11Don^zoran: ok. this is a n800
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16:04.28matmo_anyone know how to get network
16:04.36matmo_oops, nm
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16:12.01Don^ok. got to go home now. will play around with 0xFFF there.
16:12.16Don^any other suggestions? :D I guess cold flash would require special hardware or did i miss something?
16:12.59alteregoYou hold the home button when turning it on to flash it I believe.
16:13.34zoranand screem loud
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16:13.55alteregoOr into a pillow if you have kids.
16:13.57lardmanhome button doesn't matter
16:14.03zoranah....
16:14.04_Monkeyi guess ah is just links
16:14.37zoranI need one _Monkey to have it with me when talking to persons at work
16:16.09zoranme too when I have no home key
16:16.41alteregoIt didn't work with me unless I held the home button ..
16:16.46alteregoSo I'd say it's required.
16:16.54zoranalterego, also
16:17.15lardmanwhat I do is this: unplug from AC, switch off, plug in usb, start flasher, plug in AC (it then boots by itself)
16:17.31hullfandanQuick dev question. Is is possible to set an application to run at startup?
16:17.35zoranhm, I did with no ac
16:17.39Don^yup. the sequence is ok. i mean to get the whole thing started.
16:17.43Don^it's just that the damn think fails to work.
16:17.49alteregohullfandan, yes. Add an init rc script.
16:17.55lardmanhullfandan: /etc/init.d/
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16:18.15alteregolardman, sticking a file in there wont make it work :P
16:18.25hullfandanthanks
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16:18.35Don^damn.
16:18.36alteregoHe better look at the whole sysinit system.
16:18.41zoranshould be on level 2
16:18.43Don^now back.
16:18.48lardmanalterego: no, but it's a start point for googling
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16:19.13alteregozoran, unless it's a network dependant app ;)
16:19.22lardmanalterego: esp when I couldn't remember "sysinit" ;)
16:19.37alteregoThough, I guess that doesn't really make a difference. When the connections handled by conic.
16:20.19zoranalterego, it just has to be behind network options, if let in start up script
16:21.08alteregozoran, level 3 is network. AFIAK level 2 is just system init
16:21.22zorank
16:21.22alteregomulti-user daemons ..
16:21.29alteregoBut don't quote me ;)
16:21.34zoran:)
16:21.41zorandebian uses 2 for the same thing
16:21.47zoranrh is 3
16:22.40zoranI recall command to see what is and what was the last level on the box, probably who -flag
16:23.00zoranI have no system V handy to check
16:23.34alteregozoran, yeah. I think you're right.
16:23.55zoranit is not who, but just canot recall
16:24.47alteregoActually, 2-5 are multi-user .. Doesn't say anything about their functions singularly. Which is odd for debian to be so lax on something like that.
16:25.26alteregoffs.
16:25.33alteregoWhy is my .install stuff not working O_O
16:25.35zoranmy 770 starts as 2 and with graphics
16:25.50alteregoThis is a pain in the ass.
16:27.13X-Fade_alterego: What are you trying to do?
16:27.28alteregoAdd a .install file to maemo.org downloads.
16:27.43alteregoI've tried both using the URL to specify one on my server and writing it manually.
16:28.07X-Fade_Do you have the right mime-type on your server for .install files?
16:28.30X-Fade_alterego: can you give me the url?
16:28.31alteregoThat wouldn't make a difference to maemo.org, only if someone was using my server.
16:28.52alteregoBut yes, I was going to do that. Do you know what the mime type is?
16:29.38X-Fade_alterego: application/x-install-instructions
16:29.49alteregoRight.
16:29.51alteregoThanks.
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16:30.33X-Fade_alterego: What is the url of your program in downloads?
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16:31.17alteregoruby-maemo under software development
16:32.28X-Fade_alterego: nonne != none ;)
16:32.34Takif you're specifying the URL, your server needs to be correct, because it just redirects
16:32.37X-Fade_alterego: You made a typo..
16:32.42alteregoTak, oh, okay.
16:32.50alteregoX-Fade_, you're not looking under OS2008 :P
16:32.59X-Fade_alterego: No, 2007..
16:33.21alteregoYeah, that hasn't got an install yet as I'm editing 2008. Though the install file should work for both ..
16:33.54TakThe chinook-style install files won't work in the 200[67] app managers, though, will they?
16:33.55zoranif someone knows ruby :)
16:33.57X-Fade_alterego: The other one doesn't work because you made another typo ;)
16:34.08X-Fade_alterego: http// instead of http://
16:34.14alteregoOh, crap.
16:34.32alteregoNo, I didn't typo that.
16:35.20X-Fade_http//maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ruby1.8-maemo.install
16:35.27X-Fade_Looks like it to me..
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16:36.25alterego':' isn't valid in a path.
16:36.44X-Fade_alterego: Huh?
16:36.56X-Fade_You just messed up your url, that is all ;)
16:37.08alteregoX-Fade_, that "link" you pasted was the second part of the maemo.org install link that barfs.
16:37.26X-Fade_alterego: No it isn't. Edit your app.
16:37.31X-Fade_Want me to fix it?
16:37.39alteregoAh, no you're right ;)
16:37.56alteregoNow to figure out why this mime type isn't working ..
16:38.53X-Fade_alterego: Or just enter 'none' in that url field and paste the contents of your .install in 'editable install file'.
16:39.05X-Fade_That way it is fixed too.
16:39.12alteregoX-Fade_, did that and it still didn't work ..
16:39.24X-Fade_Because you typed 'nonne'
16:40.00alteregoX-Fade_, that wouldn't make a difference. When there are contents in the manual install field it ignores the URL field.
16:40.10alteregoSo nonne would be ignored regardless of it being typo'd.
16:40.36X-Fade_alterego: No, it then thinks it is an url.
16:40.59alterego"Editable Install File (Overrides the URL link)"
16:41.07alteregoSo that must mean something completely different then ..
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16:42.20X-Fade_alterego: It should override it..
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16:42.36alteregoWell, I set it to use the manual "editable install file" I set the URL to "none" and it still isn't working.
16:42.53X-Fade_alterego: let me check..
16:43.01alteregoPlease do :)
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16:45.18X-Fade_alterego: Hmm being called away. Will check it when I get back..
16:45.28alteregoWell, the mime type is set correctly. But it's just showing as text in my browser O_O
16:45.41rene4jazzhi all, is there something particular with a scracthbox target configured with qemu-arm (cputransp) that can affect the graphical output setup?..My graphical output work's fine with my other target (with no cputransp method selected)
16:46.06guardiangraphical ouput of what ?
16:46.13guardianthe whole hildon framework ?
16:47.51rene4jazzyep, the whole hildom
16:47.59sp3000hilldoom
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16:49.47rene4jazzI execute "af-xxxx start" on the arm target and it seems to connect to the xserver (I tryed with Xephyr and Xvnc ) but no results
16:50.58rene4jazzWhen I switch to the other target (no arm) the same setup works fine
16:52.32alteregoHmm .. It appears my install file is wrong ..
16:52.35alteregoMaybe ..
16:55.15rene4jazzany suggestion?
16:56.47Khertan_TheRealJust a small question ...
16:57.02Khertan_TheReali'm thinking on mouse gesture for a soft on windows
16:57.18Khertan_TheRealbut is it possible to get mouse over all application on maemo ?
16:57.48Khertan_TheReali explain ... an application that listen a particular mouse gesture in background ...
16:58.02zoranit should be in html
16:58.03Khertan_TheRealand then launch a particular action for this mouse gesture
16:58.22zoranbrowser depending?
16:58.41alteregoKhertan_TheReal, it's certainly possible.
16:59.28alteregoProbably easiest to write a home applet that you can perform the gestures in. That way you don't have to badly hack Gtk
16:59.56Khertan_TheRealalterego ... hum ... right :)
17:00.22Khertan_TheRealbut you haven't the home without opening keyboard on n810 no ?
17:00.43alteregoSure, the home key is on the left hand side.
17:01.02alteregoIt's the menu and 5 directional pad that are on the slide out section.
17:01.21alterego(escape and home are on the left hand-side of the device)
17:01.24Khertan_TheRealyes ... you are right
17:01.52alterego:)
17:01.52Khertan_TheReal(i haven't one yet ... so i don't remember how photo are :) )
17:02.23Khertan_TheReals/photo/photos
17:02.35alteregoWell, the home button is one of the most important IMO, for finger navigating as it's for task switching and quick access to home screen.
17:02.43bill20r3Geez the update downloads slowly, anyone have a copy that I can get at >18k/sec ?
17:05.06Khertan_TheReali can offer you 2ko/s :)
17:05.11Khertan_TheRealno more :)
17:07.19bill20r3do I hear 3?
17:08.41alterego2.5b/s
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17:09.07bill20r3:-(
17:09.31alteregoWell .. That's the N800 backed up.
17:12.43alteregoThat's odd .. I thought it was only a beta.
17:12.53alteregoWhy doesn't it have "beta" in the name? :D
17:13.51alteregoCool .. An official OS2008 release for the N800.
17:13.52GeneralAntillesUpdate?
17:13.57bill20r3yes, please.
17:14.14bill20r3128meg at 25k/sec. (so far)
17:14.42alterego~80K/s here
17:14.46GeneralAntillesI wonder if a changelog from 18 is too much to ask.
17:15.48alteregoYes, I'd say it is :P
17:15.55alterego90K/s :)
17:16.00bill20r3alterego, I'll race you.
17:16.11bill20r3hhe
17:16.19alterego100!
17:16.27bill20r3<PROTECTED>
17:16.27alteregoIt's getting faster :P
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17:16.42alteregoShame we can't torrent these really.
17:17.08TakI don't see why a private tracker can't be set up
17:17.24Tak(by official people)
17:17.29bill20r3no kidding.
17:17.39alteregoYeah, would be a good idea.
17:17.40bill20r3the chumby uses torrents for it's updates.
17:17.43solmumahaos2008 feels great, much more responsive
17:18.08alteregoYeah, OS2008 is sweet :)
17:18.10TakHow is the chumby?
17:18.16bill20r3notice any compatibility problems?
17:18.32alteregoAppearantly there's an issue with navicore.
17:18.33bill20r3the chumby is like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock.
17:18.39alteregoOr something. There's also no skype
17:18.43geoffegDoes OS2008 really up the CPU Freq on the 800?
17:18.52alteregogeoffeg, yes. The max is 400Mhz
17:18.56Khertan_TheRealgeoffeg> yes
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17:19.00geoffegwow, impressive
17:19.11bill20r3but it's pretty cool, but I wish you could easily develop for it in something besides flash.
17:19.16geoffegi wonder if a new kernel version also increases battery life
17:19.27alteregoI've not done any battery life tests but I'd say the tablet's running 2008 last as long (maybe longer) as those with 2007
17:19.37GeneralAntillesUh, Python or Ruby, bill20r3?
17:19.45geoffeg(i heard that the OLPC guys submitted lots of patches to the linux kernel to improve battery life)
17:20.04geoffegalso, does OS2008 for the N800 come with the mapping software that the 810 comes with?
17:20.11Takbill20r3: yeah, that's kind of a turnoff
17:20.14alteregoIT should do.
17:20.39GeneralAntillesOh, Chumby.
17:20.39_Monkeysomebody said chumby was like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock.
17:20.39GeneralAntillesRight
17:20.59bill20r3general, if you want it to work with the existing widgets (ant the chumby.com site), it has to be flash.
17:21.08bill20r3at least so far that's the case.
17:22.03geoffegis it easy to go back to OS2007 if I don't like 2008?
17:22.39GeneralAntillesJust a reflash.
17:22.43GeneralAntillesBut, trust me, you'll like it. :)
17:22.57GeneralAntillesI guess today is where we get to test the backup utility.
17:22.58geoffegi'm concerned about some the apps i use not being available
17:23.44GeneralAntillesWhich?
17:23.44geoffegEvince for one
17:23.45alteregoI think it's nice that Nokia are doing exactly what I said they should do. Though, this stratagy (beta naming) is probably good as it makes "end" users more cautions. They should know that there are barely any apps for 2008
17:23.58geoffegcause the built in pdf reader in 2007 sucks
17:24.01GeneralAntillesPDF reader with OS2008 is much nicer.
17:24.03bill20r3don't 2007 apps run ok?
17:24.07GeneralAntillesNo
17:24.10GeneralAntillesGtk API break.
17:24.18alteregoGtk .. Glibc ..
17:24.48alteregoOS2008 is crispy new 2007 was a relic as far as mainstream developments are concerned :)
17:24.48bill20r3lousy.
17:24.52geoffegGeneralAntilles: my main gripe was that it wasn't easy to go from page to page in full-screen mode when reading a pdf.. if they fixed that i'm very happy
17:24.59bill20r3maybe I'll give it a week or three.
17:25.02alteregoMost apps just require a recompile though.
17:25.05geoffegwhat about mplayer?
17:25.18alteregogeoffeg, or check that the apps you want are in the catalog.
17:25.25GeneralAntillesThey did, geoffeg.
17:25.40GeneralAntillesmplayer has a beta out, geoffeg.
17:25.45geoffegGeneralAntilles: The biggest question i have is if the mapping app is included?
17:26.02GeneralAntillesYes, but no navigation yet.
17:26.13GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper is available as well.
17:26.16alteregoNo navicore.
17:26.21geoffegok, i'll ugprade tonight.. i have to upgrade to the latest OS2007 because the version i'm running now ate my 8GB SDHC card
17:26.29geoffegno navicore? that sucks!
17:26.29GeneralAntillesWhy does everybody seem to think the API break is a bad thing?
17:26.41geoffegi was gonna get a bluetooth GPS thing and use navicore in my car!
17:26.44alteregoGeneralAntilles, only users think it is a bad thing ;)
17:26.53GeneralAntillesHa, I'm a user!
17:26.56alterego"Oh no .. My apps stopped workzing!"
17:26.56L0cutushi
17:26.57_Monkeyque tal, L0cutus
17:27.07alteregoMe, I couldn't care less.
17:27.19alteregoruby-maemo is up to date :_
17:27.21GeneralAntillesgeoffeg, the Maps application will do that, as well as maemo mapper.
17:27.29alteregoTested and works great on OS2008
17:27.34L0cutusis possible to backup my os2007 w/apps&cfg on my SD and to restore it if i reflash ?
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17:27.58GeneralAntillesOS2007 apps wont work under OS2008
17:28.08geoffegGeneralAntilles: Wait, that makes it sound like there are three maps apps.. I have maemo mapper.. I know that navicore is the app included with the N810.. what is "The Maps application"?
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17:28.29L0cutusGeneralAntilles: i plan to upgrade to the new os2008 beta, if i need, i back to os2007 and restore backup
17:28.33alteregogeoffeg, navicore isn't included with 810
17:28.36GeneralAntillesNavicore OS2007 -> Maps OS2008, basically.
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17:28.58geoffegoh, so there is a mapping app included with the OS2008 image for the N800?
17:29.03GeneralAntillesYes.
17:29.12GeneralAntillesJust no navigation yet.
17:29.13geoffegCan it do routing?
17:29.15geoffegoh, o,
17:29.16geoffegok
17:29.22geoffeg"yet"
17:29.22GeneralAntillesJust use maemo mapper for that.
17:29.25GeneralAntillesor wait a couple weeks.
17:29.26L0cutusbut i don't know what is saving it actually
17:30.19GeneralAntillesThe service wont be active until December 15th (my guess, anyway).
17:31.34geoffegi just wanted to know if i should ask for a "bluetooth gps receiver" for xmas or a "garmin streetpilot" :)
17:31.47alteregoN810 ..
17:31.48GeneralAntillesbluetooth
17:31.52geoffegyep
17:31.55GeneralAntillesi-blue 737/757
17:32.00GeneralAntillesthen a bunch of SDHC cards.
17:32.05alteregoHeh
17:32.15geoffegi have an 8GB SDHC card
17:32.29L0cutushum seems tha backup utility doesn't save applications...
17:32.33GeneralAntillesGet 3
17:32.35GeneralAntillesand a 16GB
17:32.36geoffeg(well, i will as soon as Kingston ships my replacement card.. my n800 ate my last one)
17:32.41alteregoI thought it odd. That the N810 uses mini SD (micro with adapter) yet the recommended accessories show a micro SD. I wonder if that comes with an adapter ..
17:32.50GeneralAntillesThough I hear West Marine is running some pretty extreme discounts on the Garmin Nuvis, so why not get both!
17:33.22geoffegGeneralAntilles: The less gadgets i have to deal with the better.. and the screen on the N800 is so nice for maps
17:34.39alteregoUnless you live somewhere where there's sun light
17:34.44GeneralAntillesHa
17:34.46Khertan_TheRealjut a dumb question, does the 44 is the week number of the release on "RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"
17:34.58Khertan_TheRealjust take a look at the other firmware
17:34.58alteregoKhertan, indeed it is.
17:35.12GeneralAntillesGarmin's are just so wonderfully brain-dead easy to use these days.
17:35.14alteregoKhertan, 44 is week number then the -4 following is build number in that week.
17:35.26Khertan_TheRealbut 4 week before it s available to public
17:35.27Khertan_TheRealouch
17:35.37Khertan_TheReallong test for beta test os :)
17:35.46alteregoNot really.
17:35.56alteregoWindows Vista Beta was about 6 months.
17:36.15Khertan_TheRealyeah but for windows vista it's not enough
17:36.25Khertan_TheRealeverybody know that :)
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17:36.31Khertan_TheRealit should be 5 years
17:36.45alteregoMeh, I've got friends that are quite happy with Vista
17:36.54GeneralAntillesHa
17:36.58Khertan_TheRealalterego> happy for us :)
17:37.18Khertan_TheRealalterego> it ve not passed the install process for me :)
17:37.20alteregoNot really, I have to fix their machines when it breaks.
17:37.51Khertan_TheReallol alterego;)
17:38.22alterego10
17:38.23alterego9
17:38.24alterego8
17:38.32GeneralAntillesSTALL!
17:38.36alterego6
17:38.38alterego1
17:38.39alterego0
17:38.41alteregoWOO!
17:38.42Khertan_TheRealSTALL !!!!
17:38.51Khertan_TheReallol GeneralAntilles :)
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17:41.51alteregoWoops, forgot to do it as root and got a bit scared when it said "Operation not permitted" :)
17:42.02Khertan_TheReallol
17:42.08Khertan_TheRealwhat are you doing ?
17:42.17alteregoFlashing OS2008 onto my N800
17:42.21alterego25%
17:42.34Khertan_TheRealah ... i ll wait to be at home ...
17:42.46Khertan_TheReali don't trust my work computer for this ...
17:42.51alteregoHah
17:42.51Khertan_TheReal(windows ... brrrrr)
17:43.02alteregoDoesn't matter where you do it you'll always get a bit scared ;)
17:43.14alteregoI'd really like to get a serial cable ..
17:43.31alteregoczr, any chance of you sending my a serial cable? :P
17:43.40alterego75%
17:44.04Khertan_TheRealat home i ve sometime electrics shutdown ... maybe one time a week for less than 1s
17:44.26Khertan_TheRealbut i hope i ll not flashing a firmware when the next come
17:44.35sp3000laptops ftw :)
17:44.41Khertan_TheRealhИhИ
17:44.44alteregoWell, luckily, how the flash is segregated it's most likely to happen during flashing the rootfs. Which won't brick the device.
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17:44.54alteregoAnyhow, I'm flashed :)
17:44.54Khertan_TheRealit s more dangerous from my laptop :)
17:45.29GeneralAntilleslaptops suck, sp3000. :P
17:45.44alteregoOkay, when do I start submitting bug reports?
17:46.00sp3000GeneralAntilles: but batteris can be useful :)
17:46.03mgedminGeneralAntilles: I think you mean 'vacuum cleaners'
17:46.04sp3000batteries even
17:46.17GeneralAntillesThat's what UPSes are for!
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17:46.50alteregoHmm .. I should figure out a name for my next device.
17:46.53Khertan_TheRealyes ;) but mine is dead ... i really need to take time to buy another
17:47.04Khertan_TheRealkN810 :)
17:47.17alteregoNo, I mean hostname.
17:47.18Khertan_TheRealit would be the name of my next device :)
17:47.23alteregoI name all my machines after planets.
17:47.34GeneralAntillesHehe, I did "Hermes" for my first 770, then "Hermes 2.0" for the N800 and "Hermes 1.5" for my second 770.
17:47.36alteregoWell, astrological bodies :)
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17:49.26Khertan_TheRealPSR B1257
17:49.42Khertan_TheRealthe first exo planet discovered if i remember :)
17:49.51Khertan_TheRealoups ... no ... psr ... it s the pulsar
17:50.02Khertan_TheRealnear the first exo planet discovered
17:50.55Khertan_TheRealTMR-1C is the first exoplanet discovered in 1992
17:50.56Khertan_TheReal:)
17:51.25Khertan_TheRealnice name, isn't it ?
17:51.36alteregoIf I wanted to give it a serial number I would just use my MAC address :P
17:51.45Khertan_TheReallol
17:52.12Khertan_TheRealme my all device host name begin with 'k' :)
17:52.46alteregoI have .. Jupiter, Neptune, Earth and Lunar
17:52.55Khertan_TheRealpluton ;)
17:53.13alteregoI think the N810 will be Mars :)
17:53.24alteregoMars or Mecury
17:53.30Khertan_TheRealNibiru
17:55.12TakI wonder why planets are so common for hostnames
17:55.18Khertan_TheRealhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28hypothetical_planet%29
17:55.34alteregoTak, probably something to do with the geek mentality.
17:55.45alteregoIt's either planets or cartoon characters.
17:55.46Khertan_TheRealshould be great for n810 ... the hypothetical available device :)
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17:56.28alteregoBasically, the planets are only for my personal devices which don't have a specific purpose in life.
17:56.41Khertan_TheReali ve a friend wich give the name of candy to his device
17:56.53alteregoWhere as my work machines that are used for very specific things have names that reflect their usage in the network.
17:56.53Khertan_TheReal:)
17:57.23Khertan_TheRealalterego > you are lucky at my old work it was some starwars references ...
17:57.29Khertan_TheReal(i was in a bank)
17:57.42alteregoHahah
17:57.44Khertan_TheRealvery easy to find the right boc
17:57.49Khertan_TheReals/boc/box
17:57.50alteregoWas your boss Darth Vadar?
17:58.01Khertan_TheRealso let s go to home ... see u later
17:58.03Takheh, at my last job they were Texas cities
17:58.11Khertan_TheRealbye
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18:00.46GeneralAntillesHehe, 50MB of media and manuals in every language on the planet.
18:00.56alteregoTheoretically. This is the last full flash I should ever have to do ..
18:01.06alteregoYeah ..
18:01.33alteregoMy rootfs is now 94M :)
18:01.51fysawhat is?  the newly released dev beta?
18:01.59alteregofysa, yes.
18:03.33alteregoI suppose whilst I'm playing around with this I could download all the maps for my region ..
18:05.16GeneralAntillesJust make sure you have at least twice the SD card space available.
18:05.31GeneralAntilles(Not as much of an issue for you non-US folks, I guess, though).
18:05.37alteregoYeah
18:07.03GeneralAntillesAha, those little notches on my scrollbar in Colloquy that I've been thinking were artifacts are actually highlights. >_>
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18:07.41troofshow do i fix that libconf something error wheni try to install mapper 2
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18:09.24alteregoOne of these days I'm gonna have to clean the screen ..
18:09.55Mmm810Any coder, spending time in shell friendly BT keyboards yall like for these nokias? I just got 810 thx
18:11.42alteregoIt's taking a _long_ time to download these maps. I wonder if there's high traffic .. ^_^
18:11.47Mmm810Yeh i heard nice but for that on apple and ctrl
18:11.57troofsthe nokia isn't exactly the most practical gps device.
18:12.02GeneralAntillesIt took forever under tho N810 firmware, too.
18:12.14troofsi guess if you need to know where youre going you could always pull over and score an access point.
18:12.16Takhmm - does the n810 hw keyboard allow multiple, simultaneous keypresses?
18:12.33alteregoTak, indeed it does
18:12.34troofsuh, i would think so.
18:12.42alteregoYes, it does.
18:13.40alteregoOnce I've setup this install I'm gonna do a full backup and create my own custom fiasco image me thinks.
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18:15.15pupniklets beg the applewin author to open his emu up
18:15.31alteregoapplewin?
18:15.50Taktroofs: You would think so, but the hardware buttons on the previous ITs have led me to be pessimistic.
18:16.58alteregoIT IS!
18:17.04alteregoIT says so in the manual :P
18:17.18alterego(hold ctrl + del
18:17.18pupnikhem
18:17.28alterego(hold fn + blah)
18:19.28GeneralAntillesHa: "Your acceptance has expired!" on the firmware download page.
18:20.04bill20r3bleh, mine is down to 3.2k/second.
18:20.15GeneralAntillesMine died at 85MB
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18:21.09GeneralAntilles2.8KB/sec
18:21.10GeneralAntillesHa
18:22.53alteregoJeez, mine went steady at 80-100K/s
18:23.13alteregoAnd that's probably because of my ISP throttling in the evening :P
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18:26.30alteregoHmm .. I can't uninstall gizmo.
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18:27.14GeneralAntillesOh, come on . . .
18:27.17GeneralAntillesSeriously?
18:27.41GeneralAntillesmatrix <_<
18:27.45alteregoRight,
18:27.50alteregothen click cancel right?
18:27.55GeneralAntillesYeppers.
18:27.59GeneralAntillesMake sure its in the URL field.
18:28.07alteregoI've not done it in ages :P
18:28.13GeneralAntillesBut . . . Matrix.
18:28.22alteregoYeah ,, Seems so obvious now ^_^
18:29.03alterego14M/140M of map data :/
18:29.07alteregoThis is taking for ever.
18:29.13alteregoThough, I'm not exactly in a rush :D
18:29.23GeneralAntillesTry 750MB. ;)
18:29.27alteregoHeh
18:29.33alteregoLeave it over night ;)
18:29.45L0cutusuff the nokia case SU-31 is unavailable
18:29.55alterego"uff"?
18:30.10alteregoOR is that just the sound you make when you're disappointed that a nokia product is unavailable
18:30.10L0cutusItalian word (gh)
18:30.11alterego?
18:30.32L0cutusgood the first :)
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18:31.10alteregoAnyone know what eZiText is?
18:31.27GeneralAntilleshttp://www.zicorp.com/eZiText.htm
18:32.12alteregoAh, that's part of the input method then.
18:32.31alteregoI presume it's safe to remove some langs I don't need.
18:32.56alteregoOh crap, it's got a dep >:(
18:37.06alteregoHelix client aye ..
18:37.13GeneralAntillesAnybody have a way to change the lowest brightness setting in software in OS2008 to the lowest hardware brightness setting?
18:37.16pupnikSU-31 sounds like a russian fighter jet
18:37.22alteregogconf
18:37.51alteregoGeneralAntilles, there's a key in gconf. Unfortunately I don't know it off the top of my head.
18:38.02pupnikhttp://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-31/home.shtml  oh, sports plane :)
18:38.09GeneralAntillesHehe, I was going to say. :P
18:38.10alteregoHah
18:38.21GeneralAntillesIt's a bit more than a "sports plane"
18:38.26GeneralAntillesOne of the greatest stunt planes on the planet. :P
18:39.16matt_cMine died partway through too.
18:39.37GeneralAntillesNo its dying at around 1-2MB
18:39.45GeneralAntillesMirror it, alterego. :P
18:40.44alteregoMirror what?
18:40.58GeneralAntillesThe OS2008 image.
18:41.04GeneralAntilles*No = now
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18:41.36alteregoHow can I be sure your MAC is valid?
18:41.41GeneralAntillesHa
18:42.11alteregoSeriously, I would but I don't want to get into trouble.
18:42.27alteregoIf someone from nokia says I can mirror it I will :)
18:42.47alteregoIt's probably just under a lot of load.
18:43.12GeneralAntillesCertainly, but how many N800 users are likely to be downloading this. :P
18:43.12L0cutusafter all it is only a beta :)
18:43.17GeneralAntillesThey need some real servers.
18:43.23doc|workany sign of a version of opera > 8.5 coming to the n800?
18:43.48GeneralAntillesIt's called MicroB and its based on Mozilla.
18:43.48alteregoErm .. No Opera
18:43.50gla55_up to opera themselfs if nokias dropped them in favor of microb
18:44.28doc|workand that won't be until 2008 is released?
18:44.28alteregoGeneralAntilles, what country are you in?
18:44.34GeneralAntillesUS
18:44.46alteregoMight be a problem with the trans-atlantic pipes.
18:44.51alteregoMaybe use a proxy? :)
18:45.17alteregoI find when connecting to the US, it's best to connect via one of my servers as the host obviously has a much better connection to the US than I do.
18:45.19|Rhaha
18:45.55alteregoOoo .. If I uninstall macromedia-flashplayer I can remove all those buggy adverts ..
18:46.09alteregoMozilla screws up some sites that have flash ads >:(
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18:46.41GeneralAntillesFlash should die.
18:46.45|Rindeed...
18:46.51doc|workhmmm, so, what package do I install under os2007 to get microb? there seems to be only some localisation packages
18:47.00alteregoI prefer Java applets to flash.
18:47.03doc|workugh
18:47.07GeneralAntilleshttp://browser.garage.maemo.org/
18:47.10alteregoFor things that really require client side power.
18:47.25doc|workGeneralAntilles: thanks
18:47.39alteregoHah, there's a package called "Operating System" :)
18:48.09doc|workhmmm, that website design kinda breaks when you don't have its window at a certain res
18:48.29GeneralAntillesIt's intended for the tablets.
18:48.36doc|workah
18:48.45GeneralAntillesBut it works fine on here. :\
18:48.51doc|workso much for device independent web :)
18:49.08GeneralAntillesPft
18:49.55doc|workhmm, even on my tablet it's broken
18:49.57pupnikall the web needed was a protocol for client to specify window size in pixels
18:49.58pupnikimo
18:50.04alteregoI've started using facebook a bit and that renders like crap on the N800
18:50.04pupnikso much screwed up on the www
18:50.06doc|workthe main content area over the buttons
18:50.20GeneralAntillesfacebook is so 2006
18:50.27alteregoYou have to zoom out to 80% ..
18:50.39doc|workpupnik: no, that's kinda pointless seeing as you can't really set the resolution on a device
18:50.48alteregoTak, and I don't even like Java that much ;)
18:50.50doc|workwhat if the device has less pixels than the moron web designer wanted
18:50.55doc|workliquid layout ftw
18:51.10pupnikdoc|work: for the web site to adapt the layout to your resolution
18:51.28doc|workpupnik: but then the designer has to create a layout for every resolution
18:51.47GeneralAntillesYeah, liquid layouts are the way to go.
18:51.48doc|workmakes much more sense to have a liquid layout that flows correctly
18:51.51doc|workindeed
18:52.24pupniki think the whole thing is so bass ackwards it's like trying to explain free markets to a marxist
18:52.56GeneralAntillesHahaha
18:53.08GeneralAntillesThe terminology just doesn't translate, pupnik. ;)
18:53.40doc|workand the weird thing about reading that is that I didn't even parse bass ackwards that way, it read fine to me :/
18:53.47pupnik:)
18:53.57doc|workalso, 7+ fucking megs for a browser....
18:53.59GeneralAntillesSo, when is mplayer going to outdo the Media player in H.264 playback?
18:54.09GeneralAntillesYeah, same here, doc|work.
18:54.14GeneralAntillesI didn't notice until you mentioned it. :P
18:54.16pupniki'll finish our browser technology from 1988 sometime
18:54.21pupnikit was called 'bob' :)
18:54.27doc|workcan you make it so it's not fucking bloated
18:54.30doc|work7 megs?!
18:54.47Takit's easy to make a browser that's not bloated
18:55.05doc|worknot if its based off netscape :)
18:55.06pupnikit was basically a primitive flash - we were using it on a BBS in minnesota
18:55.13Takwait, you want flash support, java support, and a javascript engine?  never mind.
18:55.19L0cutusany news on xchat on os2008?
18:55.22alteregoHah
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18:55.30doc|workthe first two are plugins
18:55.39Tak...which require a plugin api
18:55.41alteregoI'd settle for JavaScript and Canvas support ..
18:55.44doc|workright, one api
18:55.55doc|workand yeah, I'd be happy enough without flash and java :)
18:56.03Taklol - it's not like an extension api is three lines of code
18:56.08deejoehehe, everyone would settle for just one or two features.  take the union of those, and blammo, a big bouncy browser.
18:56.11doc|workTak: use perl!
18:56.24alteregoRuby!
18:56.26TakRuby!
18:56.32alteregoHell, you can use GtkMozEmbed ..
18:56.41alteregoWith Ruby-maemo 0.4.0
18:57.05alteregoI decided to be a bit cheeky and I added support for libvte and gtkmozembed :)
18:57.11doc|workso, I just installed this browser, does it overwrite opera?
18:57.29doc|workor at least take its menu slot?
18:57.35GeneralAntillesYes.
18:57.38alteregoSo we can now make "Ruby Termz" and "Ruby Webz" :)
18:58.09doc|workok, cool
18:58.48doc|workhehehe
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18:59.37doc|workargh, that's not ideal. When you use the stylus to try and drag the page up, you can't be within a fieldset, or it does nothing, which sucks in webapps :/
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18:59.52captlloyd_Hmm
19:00.00alteregoA lot of things suck with the touch scrolling.
19:00.06captlloyd_I still can't get the voice chat to work on my N810
19:00.15alteregoIt's probably better to use the hold up/down keys
19:00.33captlloyd_I put it outside the NAT firewall , still no sound can be heard and noone hears me
19:00.34alteregocaptainigloo, gizmo worked perfectly for me.
19:00.36doc|workthat just goes from input field to field
19:00.40pupnik<PROTECTED>
19:00.44captlloyd_Hmm
19:00.47captlloyd_I'll try gizmo
19:01.06doc|workmethinks pupnik has been drinkin'
19:01.08captlloyd_I was hoping to use the googley one because everyone I know has it already
19:01.12captlloyd_heh
19:01.56alteregoI'm gonna make a few cool tablet backgrounds ..
19:01.57doc|workcaptlloyd_: use sip
19:02.19captlloyd_I don't know anything about sip really
19:02.30captlloyd_I know its a protocol that's used for VoIP
19:02.31doc|workI don't have the name of the client I was using, but it' something like rtcomm or some such
19:02.37captlloyd_Ahh
19:02.38captlloyd_ok
19:02.40doc|workthat's basically it :)
19:02.42captlloyd_I will look into that
19:03.42GeneralAntillesI'm doing a climate theme on mine, alterego. Desert for my original, old 770, green hills for the newer 770 and snowy mountains for the N800.
19:03.56doc|worktwo 770s?
19:04.06doc|workwork for noka?
19:04.07alteregoGeneralAntilles, heh. Should you not be going the other way and tracking global warming? :)
19:04.08doc|work+i
19:04.11GeneralAntillesGot one in the woot deal.
19:04.19doc|workwoot deal?
19:04.26GeneralAntilles$135USD
19:04.30doc|worko.O
19:04.32doc|workhow?!
19:04.44doc|workno! don't tell me. Must not buy more shineh!
19:04.46GeneralAntillesIt's partly a backup battery for my N800 and partly an extra for the couch.
19:04.46alterego770's are dirt cheap now.
19:04.53doc|workthat
19:04.55doc|workis true
19:04.59GeneralAntillesGet the N800 from buy.com for $190.
19:05.11alteregoYeah, N800's are also pretty damn cheap.
19:05.12_Monkeyokay, alterego.
19:05.14GeneralAntillesand the other was from November 2005. ;)
19:05.15doc|workwas going to, they don't ship to canada now :/
19:05.22doc|workgot one in .ca for 264+tax
19:05.28alterego_Monkey N800
19:05.29_Monkeyalterego: excuse me?
19:05.30doc|worknot bad really
19:05.35alteregoN800?
19:05.41doc|workyup
19:05.51alteregoI want to know why he was saying okay to me O_O
19:06.18doc|worklooks like he'll never know....
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19:10.42doc|workyou know what's annoying? the on/off button on the n800 :/
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19:10.58doc|workwb
19:11.02pupnikwhy doc|work ?
19:11.03captlloyd_anyone here used the google based voice chat on their N810?
19:11.08pupnikdelay?
19:11.18alteregoThat was interesting.
19:11.26doc|workyou have to get your nail in exactly the right place, push it in a good bit
19:11.37doc|worka slide switch would have been better :/
19:11.48captlloyd_I just tried to switch windows on this laptop by touching the screen, lol
19:11.56doc|workcaptlloyd_: haha
19:11.57captlloyd_I caught myself when I was about to touch it.
19:12.07captlloyd_I was like. "uhh, oh yeah"
19:12.57GeneralAntillesJust use your finger tip, doc|work.
19:13.01GeneralAntillesNail isn't necessary. ;)
19:13.09pupnikdoc|work: it'd need to be software controlled regardless - for sync/shutdown and sending sigterm to the running apps
19:13.34pupnikit's not like psion with nvram or whatever
19:13.39ajturnerwas there ever a follow up on when discount codes would be able to be used?
19:14.20Takword is ca. 15 dec
19:14.43ajturnershucks
19:14.45doc|workGeneralAntilles: perhaps my skinny self has fat fingers :/
19:15.11doc|workpupnik: there's no reason a slide switch couldn't do that, is there?
19:16.51bill20r3the press-and-hold avoids accidental turn-ons, I guess.
19:17.15Takor turn-offs, imo more importantly
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19:19.02bill20r3yep.
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19:19.56czralterego, send it where? (your serial cable)
19:20.14alteregoczr, you actually have one you can send me?
19:20.28czrwhat kind of serial cable are we talking here?
19:20.45alteregoOne that'll hook my N800 up.
19:20.51alteregoSo I can do cold flashes.
19:20.51czrto what?
19:20.55czrah. no.
19:21.02czrI don't do bricking cables :-)
19:21.03alteregoOh well.
19:21.06alteregoDamn you!
19:21.14czrtoo late. I'm already involved in maemo
19:21.16bill20r3to the little 9-pin port in back?
19:21.27alteregobill20r3, that's the kitten
19:21.32alteregoWell .. Tiger.
19:21.35bill20r3kitten?
19:21.45alteregoGopher?
19:21.58bill20r3*blank look*
19:22.04alterego;)
19:22.16alteregoI was just affirming your question ;)
19:22.33bill20r3do you really have a cable that fits that port?
19:22.42alteregoNo, I want one :P
19:22.46bill20r3do they exist?
19:22.59alteregoI hear they do .. In the darkest depths of castle Nokia
19:23.01bill20r3I've never seen a pogo-pin connector that size.
19:23.09alteregoSomewhere in the heart of Finland.
19:23.17bill20r3I guess you'd have to source the pins, and make it yourself.
19:23.41alteregoHeh
19:23.44czr"no one will ever know to look for them in here"
19:23.52czrbasement of ericsson hq
19:24.32bill20r3behind the door with the 'beware of leopard' sign?
19:24.53czrneh, the one with "before, life beyond" -sign
19:24.57czrbeware even
19:25.19czr"no one will ever dare to open this door"
19:25.28keesjare the pins described in the pdfs?
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19:26.14bill20r3http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T073/P0463.pdf
19:26.30bill20r3not that I've seen, but I haven't really looked much.
19:26.47czr_Monkey, mxr?
19:26.47_Monkeyit has been said that mxr is mozilla cross reference, maintained by timeless, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test has a number of references including garage, sardine, and chinook
19:27.12bill20r3I see digikey has individual spring-loaded pins, so you could probably make a suitable connector, with some effort.
19:27.27toresbehrm
19:27.56toresbeare there any MP4 players for the N800, then?
19:28.53keesjbtw downloading itos2008 from nokia as we speak
19:29.03GeneralAntillesUh, Media player, toresbe?
19:29.28_|Nix|_Wow ... repository.maemo.org is sloooooow ..
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19:32.06toresbeGeneralAntilles: MP supports MP4?
19:32.09toresbeoh, cool. :)
19:32.11GeneralAntillesYes.
19:32.19czralterego, read bug #2383
19:32.20_MonkeyBug 2383 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2383
19:32.23toresbeI'm used to it supporting pretty much nothing of use :P
19:34.12timelyx_Monkey forget ah
19:34.13_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot ah
19:34.15timelyx_Monkey ah is <reply>
19:34.16_MonkeyOK, timelyx.
19:34.24czrtimelyx, evenink. feel free to look at the bug as well :-)
19:34.33guerbywow tablets-dev.nokia.com is kinda slow
19:34.41Takyay, fceu runs on chinook
19:34.45guerbyeveryone is downloading the new OS2008 for N800?
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19:35.10konttoriHey, has mplayer been improved at all (from the extras-devel)?
19:35.25_|Nix|_<PROTECTED>
19:35.28_|Nix|_Oops ...
19:35.37matt_cwhee, timed out again
19:36.35pupnikit can hardly be improved
19:37.44alteregoErm ..
19:37.59alteregoextras-devel should be at least up-to-date if not newer than the extras version.
19:38.42alteregoThere's a little devil on my shoulder telling my to take my N800 apart.
19:39.32sp3000czr: that's ...odd, why doesn't it do sources.list.d/maemo-repository like normal people do
19:39.47sp3000er, sources.list.d/maemo-repository.list even, iirc
19:40.09konttorichinook mplayer it just so awfully slow atm (at least my version - and repositories are completely jammed)
19:40.27timelyxGeneralAntilles: i have a list of packages that changed
19:40.30timelyxit's fairly short
19:40.47czrsp3000, hmm. good point. does apt honor those directories on the SDK?
19:40.56sp3000I should hope so :)
19:40.58alteregoYeah, maemo.org isn't very good with 1+ simultaneous connections.
19:41.11czrsp3000, maybe I'll test if I have the time/energy. don't have a working SDK atm.
19:41.29czralterego, don't be so harsh :-) at least it works with 1+ :-)
19:41.33alteregoczr, what happened to all your vmware stoof?
19:41.40czralterego, what about it?
19:41.51czrah. I've compressed the vms in order to make more space on the vm-server
19:41.53alterego"don't have a working SDK atm." :P
19:41.58alteregoAh
19:41.59czrbuilding a new one
19:42.16alteregoIt's a shame the flasher can't do the opposite.
19:42.23alteregoI need a vacuum
19:42.26sp3000[sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > echo dec http://your.mom/ ha ha > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ha.list
19:42.28alteregoOR a sucker.
19:42.28czrif anyone has spare >750GiB disks lying around, you know that I could use them :-)
19:42.30sp3000[sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > apt-get update
19:42.35sp3000Failed to fetch http://your.mom/dists/ha/Release.gpg  Could not resolve 'your.mom'
19:42.48czrsp3000, cool. 4.0?
19:42.48alterego.mom isn't a tld
19:42.57czralterego, it is for some
19:43.02alteregoHeh
19:43.18sp3000czr: something like that
19:43.21czrsp3000, any idea when repo.maemo.org will get Release.gpg? :-)
19:43.39czrsp3000, I'll add that to the bug-report. might as well since it won't be fixed ;-)
19:43.54sp3000also, I copied the wrong line, the right line was s/dec/deb/ :)
19:43.57alteregoI wonder if Nokia were anticipating all of this commotion with the updating :/
19:44.19alteregoThe Maemo community is like a big mob.
19:44.34czrsp3000, what, you mean installing debs is cooler than installing new decimals! say it ain't so!
19:44.44czralterego, true that :-)
19:44.51czra pool of pirahnas
19:44.55alterego:)
19:45.22alteregoI wonder what makes maemo so different to other communities, like symbian.
19:45.28alteregoI guess it's the "open" nature of the project.
19:45.57alteregoThat and we have _one_ platform, limited device range and they're all Nokia.
19:46.26czrI guess people expect to have more control about things than they do with closed stuff
19:46.40czrand are more likely to complain about things that don't work
19:47.00czrI'd really take it as a positive feedback step. if there wouldn't be any complaints, you'd no that no one cares about your system.
19:47.01keesjthey get a place to complain
19:47.08alteregoYeah, I guess also, we're used to buggy OSS software or incomplete feature sets. So we want new OS releases every day :)
19:47.11czryou'd know even.
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19:47.38guerbyat last the site answered
19:48.00alteregoWow, you must be the chosen one. Try talking to God next guerby
19:48.03keesjwe are unhappy with a finished OS ,we want to keep developing
19:48.19guerby17 kB/s ...
19:48.21alteregoPfft, maemo is far from finished :P
19:48.32keesjthat's good!
19:48.53keesjand when it's done , lets redo it using e17!
19:49.10czrsp3000, appended to the bug. nice one. I didn't know apt supported modular conf-files.
19:49.19timelyxczr: it has for a while
19:49.29czryeah, but I've not seen it used anywhere
19:49.38alteregoe17 is so not practical ..
19:49.43timelyxi can't remember why i used it, but i did
19:49.46alteregoFor any device. Let alone tablets.
19:49.54doc|workme is using e17 on his desktpo
19:49.57doc|worktyping--
19:49.58czrthere was a boy-band from england called 'east 17' ages ago
19:49.58timelyxoh, i know
19:50.05timelyxit was when i wanted to merge ubuntu+debian+something
19:50.13czre17 always reminds me of them. they had some really annoying song too.
19:50.17alteregoczr, yeah. ;) Full of ponses ;)
19:50.17timelyxi just added extras instead of hacking a singleton
19:50.32alteregoArgh! You're all posers!
19:50.33doc|workI'm not sure why e17 is far from practical
19:50.35alterego:P
19:50.37doc|workwhy is it?
19:50.45czrdoc|home, it is much shorter word.
19:50.49alteregoToo much eye candy not enough function IMO
19:51.02doc|workwhat functionality is missing?
19:51.07keesjI am sure I am going to spend moost of the time just clicking canola around!
19:51.19konttoribut the ecore/evas is pretty cool stuff
19:51.26alteregoIf I say something I'll end up looking like an idiot because I've not used e17 in over a year :P
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19:51.34keesjentrance is also cool
19:51.41doc|workentrance is really nice
19:51.50alteregoRegardless. We need a new GTK
19:52.05czrhah. ran into a race in bugzilla for the first time ever
19:52.09alteregoWe need a Ruby centric graphical toolkit.
19:52.15czrsomeone added themselves into the cc-list while I was adding a comment!
19:52.35czrweird that bugzilla decided that my comment should either overwrite the prev changes or be discarded completely.
19:52.43alterego:/
19:52.57timelyxczr: comments won't be wiped out
19:53.13timelyxthe reason for it is to protect you from
19:53.14czrtimelyx, I got the impression from the two choices that I got.
19:53.19timelyx"ccing foopy because foopy needs to know"
19:53.24timelyxbut if foopy just cc'd
19:53.31timelyxthen well, your comment would look stupid :)
19:53.37czrbut foopy didn't add any comments. only cc:ed himself.
19:53.44keesjalterego: new GTK?
19:53.45timelyxczr: yeah, the text isn't very smart
19:53.46doc|workbecause being called foopy isn't bad enough?
19:54.11alteregokeesj, I didn't mean literall "gimp tool kit" I meant "graphical toolkit". Something that is neither GTK or Qt ..
19:54.11czrtimelyx, and it's not a problem. just haven't run across this before. copy-pasted my comment to safety and reopened the bug-view and added the text back, no biggie.
19:54.32czralterego, QTK?
19:54.45doc|workjava, with swt, on wince
19:54.51alteregoNTK
19:54.53alterego:)
19:54.55czr"combines the complexity of Qt bindings, Tk silliness and GTK callgraph depth into one nice package"
19:54.58[pablo]_anyone here try the new 2008 on the n800?
19:55.17keesjlol
19:55.21alterego[pablo]_, yes. I'm using it right now.
19:55.25timelyxczr: nice
19:55.28czralterego, you have the beta?
19:55.28guerby[pablo]_, well first step is to download it :)
19:55.33keesj[pablo]_: downloading as we speak.... (13 minutes to go)
19:55.37alteregoczr, OS2008 beta?
19:55.39czrtimeless, one toolkit to rule them all :-)
19:55.44czralterego, yeah, the official OS2008 for N800
19:55.54czrnot the OS2008 meant for N810.
19:55.55alteregoczr, yeah, installed it a little under an hour ago.
19:56.05keesjthe next popular toolkit will be vector based and will use 3d hardware
19:56.08czralterego, right. just checking. it's working?
19:56.13alteregoYeah, works fine.
19:56.15czrkeesj, you mean postscript?
19:56.18[pablo]_good to hear it's not bricking devices =)
19:56.24doc|workfunky "
19:56.37doc|workbah, stupid X cp-paste
19:56.39keesjyes postscript + javascript ajap
19:56.40alteregoczr, slight niggle. When it starts up in R&D mode. The verbose text that displays states RX44
19:56.51timelyxheh
19:56.54czralterego, open a bug :-)
19:57.00timelyxyeah, seriously
19:57.03czralterego, it's beta after all. I guess this time they want bugs
19:57.03alteregoI was contemplating it.
19:57.06doc|workwhen you send an email in evolution it now checks for keywords that indicate it should have an attachment and warns you if there isn't one
19:57.07czrdo it.
19:57.08timelyxthat's why it's a beta :)
19:57.30czrtimelyx, did you notice that the release announcement didn't actually ask people to report bugs :-)
19:57.30alteregoI'll just check to be sure first ;)
19:57.46czr"if we won't ask them to do it, maybe they'll leave us alone?"
19:57.57timelyxczr: heh
19:57.58alteregoczr, I think in the small print they said. (Don't talk to us anymore, we're all losing hair)
19:57.59K`zanczr: Got ubuntu installed finally, apparently, amoungst other things, there is a problem with adept, stuff that failed in that went fine in aptitude cli :-).  Also snapshotted it immediately after getting everything "right" :-).  Should be able to get on with the sdk now!
19:58.20timelyxi didn't really get around to reading the announcement
19:58.24czrK`zan, cool. good luck :-). I only use apt-get/dpkg on the command line anyway :-)
19:58.34alteregoczr, I was mistaken. (osso-RX-44)
19:58.42czralterego, that's even better :-)
19:58.50alteregoIt's the initfs release version
19:58.56alteregoI think the 44 is the week.
19:58.59czrbut I guess that's not critical tough. since it's r&r mode after all
19:59.00alteregoThat's why I got confused.
19:59.07timelyxr&r?
19:59.18czrheh. not the first time timelyx :-)
19:59.23czrrest & recreation -mode!
19:59.30K`zanNew 2008 *for* the n800?  Hummm :-).
19:59.32alteregob&r brick and research
19:59.37timelyxi'm pretty sure that 44 is week number, i'd assume it's the hardware model
19:59.42alteregoK`zan, yeah. Good luck downloading it ;)
19:59.45czrK`zan, beta yes.
19:59.58[pablo]_is it getting slammed?
20:00.01alteregoczr, it doesn't say beta anywhere on the box :P
20:00.01czrRX-44 is the product code for N810
20:00.08K`zanalterego: Will keep an eye on it, 2007 is doing fine ATM :-).
20:00.13czralterego, osso- :-)
20:00.20doc|workis os2008 out for the n800?
20:00.20czrosso means beta.
20:00.25alteregoczr, well. I don't know what it's supposed to mean.
20:00.28czrlike libosso. you know.
20:00.35keesjK`zan: booooooooooo
20:00.37czrand all those foobar-2.1_1osso4 packages and such
20:00.53alteregoThe line was: "initfs version: osso-RX-44 OS2008SE-44"
20:01.01alteregoOr something like that.
20:01.03K`zanSE?
20:01.07czrit comes from finnish. "en ossoo" (I don't know how, using some weird dialect)
20:01.15keesj"software edition" ?
20:01.26l7damn, i love the stowaway keyboard!
20:01.29K`zanSubstandard Edition?
20:01.33alteregoHah
20:01.39K`zan:-)
20:01.43keesjSingles Edition
20:01.46K`zanvs XP ;-)
20:01.58K`zaneXcellent Edition :-) LOL.
20:02.06K`zanNo relation to wincrap :-) :-) :-)
20:02.10alteregoeXploit Edition ..
20:02.45czrhah. the vmware image torrent should be much better now!
20:02.58K`zanGizmo is abending on 2007, not sure what that is about yet.  Did a full shutdown and restart (reboot?) last night so we'll see...
20:03.00czra friend is running a semipermanent client on a fast network now
20:03.09czrso if anyone wants it, you can actually get it now.
20:03.34czrwhat is gizmo anyway?
20:03.35_Monkeyi heard gizmo was sip compliant
20:03.36K`zanBig draw with 2008 with SIP built in...
20:03.41czrah.
20:03.45K`zanSIP client - propritary :-(
20:04.00czrI've seen the icon, but it reminds me of KDE with the "wheel"
20:04.11K`zanOnly SIP client for 2007 that I know of.
20:04.41K`zanNot sure skype qualifies - same problem - proprietary...
20:04.47sp3000oh, someone released something
20:04.53sp3000interesting :)
20:05.04czrsp3000, "oops"? :-)
20:05.08K`zanWhen gizmo works, it works pretty well...
20:05.22sp3000yeah I didn't get that far in the news this morning, or whenever
20:05.40keesjI would settle for skype + video (skype video is beta under linux atm)
20:05.50czrit would be nice to have a bot that'd announce important news on the channel automatically
20:06.04keesjbooth gizmo and skype have the problem that they don't get started as applet
20:06.42doc|workrtcomm supports sip, integrates nicely too
20:06.50doc|workalthough I've yet to use it
20:06.59sp3000czr: bugs feed, planet feed, yes
20:07.02doc|workit sits there all logged in and stuff :)
20:07.17czrsp3000, yup. just not the short one-liners that used to end up on the front-page of maemo.org
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20:08.02sp3000I don't have an ircable 24h host to run things on
20:08.24czrI do, but want to run anything :-)
20:08.33czr+don't.
20:08.50doc|workwould RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin be the correct name of the new image for os2008?
20:08.55K`zantried to install rtcomm last night on the n800 and it didn't work, uninstalling it left the installer in the menu too :-(.
20:09.07doc|workK`zan: weird, works for me
20:09.17doc|work(the install)
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20:09.24GeneralAntillesK`zan, under OS2008?
20:09.30alteregodoc|home, looks believable.
20:09.32K`zanDamnifiknow, the installer ran and appeared to install the installer, but I never found it anywhere...
20:09.33K`zan2007
20:09.43GeneralAntillesJust put OS2008 on there already. :P
20:09.52K`zanrtcomm itself that is.
20:10.01K`zanI know, but then I loose the rest of my apps.
20:10.15GeneralAntillesWhich would you be missing?
20:10.19K`zanStuff didn't work right a lot under 2008 for the 810, perhaps better on the one for the n800
20:10.21GeneralAntillesxchat is the only one I feel the loss of.
20:10.23doc|workif anyone's looking for a mirror, internettablettalk.com has a link to one (which I won't post here as I don't know how right that would be)
20:10.43K`zanrtcomm itself, but maybe it integrates into contacts - will have to try it again.
20:11.16konttorixchat is for n810
20:11.24GeneralAntillesIs there a release for OS2008?
20:11.33doc|workGeneralAntilles: yep
20:11.34konttorihttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
20:11.36K`zanOnly thing I found was the installer.  Even after uninstalling it, it is still in the menu :-(.
20:11.50doc|worker, actually, ignore my comment
20:11.57K`zan:-)
20:12.02czrdoc|home, can you post a link to the page that has the link? :-)
20:12.21timelyxGeneralAntilles: so um, do you care for a delta?
20:12.32GeneralAntillesdelta?
20:12.46K`zanIt also seems to have loaded a duplicate repository in application manager - seems the right one was already there.
20:12.48timelyxpackage list changes between 42-18  and 44-4
20:12.50doc|workit's the one called  "Nokia Releses OS2008 Beta for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet" :)
20:13.03GeneralAntillesOh, sure, if it's not any trouble, timelyx. :)
20:13.16keesjos2008 is sexy... !!!
20:13.22K`zanI assume settings saved under 2007 are of no use in 2008?
20:13.28konttorithey work just fine
20:13.36konttoriI suggest restoring backup from 2007
20:13.57konttoriyou can even restore from 2006 safely, but there are some problems restoring 2005 backups
20:14.01K`zanThat sure would save some time setting everything up again!
20:14.20doc|workI think I'll wait a month or so, until more apps are ported
20:14.33doc|workalthough I like the idea of a speed bump :/
20:14.39konttori2008 even has the first time experience of asking you on first boot whether you want to restore if it sees old backups on your SD
20:14.48K`zandoc|work: Sounds reasonable to me, big jump in 2008 apps lately!
20:14.55doc|workcool
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20:15.35GeneralAntillesYeah, I haven't felt any issues with Application Lack. :)
20:15.37K`zan21 to 26 IIRC in just a couple days :-)!  Yow, make that 32 - just checked :)!
20:16.06K`zanGeneralAntilles: Probably true, most of what I have loaded I *really* don't *need* :-).
20:16.12doc|workdam you all!
20:16.17doc|work*damn
20:16.19konttoriahh... repository.maemo.org is responsive again
20:16.19K`zanThank you :).
20:16.30konttoriand now I can tell from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/
20:16.32K`zankonttori: That seems to be REAL common here.
20:16.45konttorithat mplayer hasn't been updated since 21.11. shame
20:16.54konttorithat version just blows in performance.
20:16.57K`zanSometimes is it quick, mostly late at night here.
20:17.20K`zanOtherwise, you just leave it crank on in a spare tab.
20:17.30konttoriyeah. so odd
20:17.32K`zanEventually it will respond.
20:17.48K`zanAssume it is some net.vagarity here on the west coast USA.
20:17.54K`zanI assume...
20:18.21Veggenoh, official os2008 for n800? maybe I should upgrade, too.
20:18.47GeneralAntillesDo it.
20:18.49Veggenyah, beta. I can read too :)
20:18.51GeneralAntillesThere's no reason not to.
20:19.00K`zan*beta*
20:19.07K`zanBut...
20:19.08_Monkeyhmmm... but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord?
20:19.08GeneralAntillesThat's not a reason!
20:19.13alteregoOnly Quim says it's a beta.
20:19.21alteregoI think he's trying to trick us all :P
20:19.24K`zanWithout people trying it, it ain't gonna get out of beta :).
20:19.37alteregoThat's not why it's beta.
20:19.39K`zanSo....
20:19.47alteregoI'd imagine it's because skype isn't finished yet.
20:20.04guerbydownload still at 23% of OS2008...
20:20.08alteregoAnd the issue with navicore. Not to mention they want N800 OS2008 to be released after N810 gets properly launched I'd imagine.
20:20.08K`zanpupnik is a good guy(TM) :-)
20:20.11doc|workso, contentious question perhaps, why is there no usb charging? :/
20:20.15VeggenI don't use skype.
20:20.38K`zanI might use skype for the 3 month freebie that came in the box :).
20:20.39pupnikdon't know doc|work
20:20.41alteregoVeggen, doesn't matter. It's part of the IT OS release and it's not ready yet.
20:20.44VeggenI actually hate skype. I hate that it's about to be a synonym for "home voip" :)
20:20.57doc|workVeggen: SIP ftw
20:21.10doc|workI've gotten my mother to use ekiga on windows :)
20:21.26Veggenyah, but too many ip telephones are really skype handsets, and people does not know better.
20:21.49alteregoMake something free and they'll notice it ..
20:22.06GeneralAntillesAnybody with a Thinkoutside/iGo keyboard want to tell me how to power it off so I can use the onscreen board again? :(
20:22.07K`zanYes, SIP/VOIP is a damn confusing area...
20:22.46alteregoGeneralAntilles, throw it out of the window.
20:22.59alteregoOh my god .. I just quoted czr ..
20:23.09K`zanGot Twinkle going on my roomies machine, but getting audio sorted out for it seems to be a can of worms :-(.
20:23.23K`zanWorse things you could quote :-).
20:23.29czrsolution to all problems alterego :-)
20:23.35alteregoHah
20:23.37guerbyGeneralAntilles, I don't remember if I opened a bugzilla to have the option of switching quickly from virtual to real kbd
20:23.48guerbyGeneralAntilles, but I share your issue
20:24.04_|Nix|_Pop quiz: Anyone know of any bad press regarding HP pavilions? My sis wants to buy one.
20:24.37timelyx_|Nix|_: they're ok, but as w/ most, the customizations suck
20:24.39_|Nix|_K`zan: You build your own laptops?
20:24.44timelyx(hardware buttons)
20:25.18K`zanErr, no desktops, with ANY laptop it is a crapshoot.  But I *DO* avoid Gateway now...
20:25.33doc|workbuilding your own would still be way more hassle than I'd be prepared to put up with. THe only advantage is no windows, which is why I bought a n800 over a cheap laptop
20:26.36K`zann800 with a good BT (usb?) keyboard == good enough laptop...
20:26.45maddlerevening all...
20:26.46konttorithis is just so hilarious: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7108835.stm
20:26.53konttorim/s explorer crashed ;)
20:26.54doc|workaye, but can anyone suggest a decent, reasonably priced, bt keyboard?
20:27.11K`zanNow that I am looking for a USB keyboard at the thrift store to try out on the n800, there are none to be found LOL!
20:27.12doc|workkonttori: hahahaha
20:27.30maddlerquick question... I was trying to get root on N800.OS2008... "rootme" password is not working anymore... any clue? :O
20:27.36K`zan"Reasonably Priced" seems to be the issue....
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20:27.45maddleror am I totally dumb?
20:27.47alteregoWho was it doing the PowerVR backward engineering?
20:27.52K`zanmaddler: sudo gainroot IIRC
20:28.22konttorialterego: how so? was someone doing it?
20:28.23maddlerK`zan: yep... also... but using SSH you were able to get root w/o having R&D mode enabled...
20:28.41K`zanYeah, it is a bit confusing...
20:28.46alteregokonttori, yeah. They were poking around with some drivers trying to see how they worked.
20:29.05konttorireally? sounds great! Did they make any progress?
20:29.06derfkonttori: Haha, "has been listing for hours"... I often get that same problem
20:29.12doc|workhehe
20:29.18maddlerK`zan: and also... "rootme" was working on N810 fiasco image...
20:29.40K`zanmaddler: I had a fair number of problems with 2008 for the n810, so I went back to 2007 :-/.
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20:29.42alteregokonttori, a bit. I was more interested in what they were planning on doing next. Hence why I'm asking now :)
20:30.13konttoriwho are the reverse engineering people?
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20:30.22maddlerK`zan: same here (beside I hadn't too many issues)...
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20:30.41K`zanmaddler: Still, overall I LOVE the thing :).
20:30.58K`zanEveryone that sees it is really facinated :-) :-) :-).
20:31.18alteregokonttori, that's why I was asking :P
20:32.07konttoriahh... ok. I really don't know, although I can easily understand the idea to do it. I would love to have 3d acceleration working on the device
20:32.31doc|workmy housemate bought an ipod touch
20:32.33K`zanAnd impressed with the display...  VERY impressed.
20:32.45doc|workthen bitched for the night as he couldn't copy his drm'd wma files onto it :D
20:32.49alteregokonttori, I think everyone would ;)
20:32.56doc|workdefaults++
20:33.07K`zanLots of that going on, I can't even copy *my own* stuff on my phone.
20:33.16K`zan<PROTECTED>
20:33.20alteregodoc|home, you can un-DRM WMA but it loses quality ..
20:33.23doc|workopen formats ftw
20:33.31konttorihttp://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/12/quake3_n93.htm
20:33.39alteregoYou should have pointed, laughed and said: "That's what you get for using DRM idiot!"
20:33.41konttoripowervr on n93 -> quake 3
20:33.47K`zanAnd people wonder why I quit supporting the "entertainment" mafias....
20:33.59doc|workalterego: yeah, he did something about changing the file ending to m4a or something and then copying it over. Maybe apple licensed the drm or something
20:34.07K`zanGOOD indies are out there but hard to find.
20:34.18doc|workindies?
20:34.22doc|workah, yes
20:34.29K`zanIndependant musicians....
20:34.36K`zanNot associated with the mafias....
20:34.42K`zanCheaper, better, open...
20:34.48doc|workwell, fwiw I'm currently working on a site which will be all the things that people want in a music sales site
20:34.53konttoriahh.. it's not on the n93 but on dell. damn. sorry for the false link
20:35.02K`zanHeh
20:35.05doc|workgoing into beta soon to allow artists to upload their stuff
20:35.29K`zanGood on ya doc|work just watch out for the *IAA thugs...
20:35.41sp3000hrm
20:35.42alteregokonttori, I've seen QIII run on symbian phones ;)
20:35.46alteregoit's on the imgtec site.
20:35.47sp3000I have a problem
20:35.52sp3000you can't eat sql
20:35.56doc|workthey'll have nothing on us, there'll be no reason for them to touch us. It will be indie bands, at least at the start.
20:36.17konttoriahh... cool
20:36.26K`zandoc|work: they don't need a reason beyond "Wanna(TM)", they got FAR more lawyers than you can afford - win or loose.
20:36.59doc|workK`zan: oh, and it helps than we're not in the US :)
20:37.08K`zandoc|work: That would help :)
20:37.46K`zanI worked in that field when I was a lot younger and I have no compulsion in calling it a mafia, because it IS.
20:38.06doc|workyup
20:38.22K`zanAnd I am being kind....
20:38.32K`zanWAY kind.
20:38.44doc|workone of my own personal joys in this will be if record companies lose artist contracts
20:39.06doc|workwe're making it all about the artist, labels will be catered for but there'll really not be much point to them
20:39.10K`zanYep, get rid of those thugs and perhaps we'll get music worth listening to again.
20:39.20pupniklike Beatallica
20:39.27pupnikThe Thing That Should Not (let it) Be
20:39.52K`zanNoise != music.
20:39.52pupnikYeah but this is beatles music mixed with metallica
20:40.06K`zanLiving in the home of grunge, I feel qualifed to comment :).
20:40.07derfThat can't be legal.
20:40.08pupnikit's horrible!
20:40.09alteregoK`zan, I guess me and my mom disagree with you :P
20:40.31K`zanalterego: That is what it is all about and why there is so much "music" :-)
20:40.44pupnikI love it
20:40.52konttorithis is what you can get with the powerv VR that is on n800: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/11/nokia-n82-running-futuremarks-spmark.html
20:40.53K`zanTo each their own, I just wish people would quit supporting the mafias...
20:40.53doc|workhey, different people, different tastes. Choice++
20:40.56maddlerdoh... netstat is kinda buggy...
20:41.14alteregokonttori, you hope. The tablet screens are a _lot_ bigger.
20:41.40konttorino problem. I would assume the fillrate is not the problem
20:41.50konttorin800 could also be in 2x pixel mode.
20:41.58konttoriit would be just fine for games
20:43.16guerby5 kb/s download...
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20:43.31maddlerI gave a try to spmark on my E90... and if it will be possibile to achieve same results on N8*0... well... sounds kinda good...
20:43.36VRe__I have some issues with the os2008 and the menu.. I install a bit of software and I end up scrolling around the menu.. that is not userfriendly
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20:43.52doc|workVRe__: using the stylus?
20:44.06VRe__thumb or stylus.. the menu is the same
20:44.06maddlerVRe__: indeed.. I prefer small icons/fonts
20:44.19doc|workVRe__: the rows are equally big?
20:44.41VRe__doc|work: there is room for 6 rows
20:44.57VRe__if there is 7 then you need to scroll with these big fat buttons
20:45.12doc|worksounds like a bug, but I'm a relative noob here
20:45.31VRe__So if I add new Games submenu, I end up scrolling at the main level
20:45.40VRe__It is not a but, it is a design failure
20:45.43VRe__bug
20:46.02GeneralAntilles7 items would make me happy.
20:46.18konttori(the one on the video)
20:46.19doc|workoh wait, 7 items at the top and then the folders underneath?
20:46.23GeneralAntillesOr, perhaps, subfolders (again).
20:46.38VRe__works ok, if there is no more software that the default set, but I had 3 times as much on os2007.. that a way too much scrolling around
20:47.11doc|workVRe__: when you use the stylus, are you getting the normal fat finger  menu?
20:47.25VRe__os2008 there is only one menu
20:47.38VRe__"fat finger" menu
20:47.42doc|work:)
20:47.55doc|workthat seems odd, is that really meant to be like that?
20:48.20konttori85 680 triangles / second. That's lousy.
20:48.50VRe__Probably there is some tick to turn to get it slimmer .. lets go command o line..
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20:50.06konttoriYou should be able to change that in gtkrc
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20:55.47geoffegdang, Kingston won't ship out my replacement 8GB SD card immediately, out of stock
20:56.09doc|workthen they're entitled to ship the closest equivalent :)
20:56.49geoffegdoc|work: i bought their highest capacity, fastest card..
20:56.55konttoriaww... it won't run on n81. damn
20:57.07doc|workgeoffeg: that sucks :/
20:57.27geoffegdoc|work: i'm quite aware.. i sorta wanna wait until i get the card back to go with OS2008
20:57.55geoffegso is anyone working on porting xchat?
20:58.03geoffegs/porting/recompiling/
20:58.22K`zanBlazing download for 2008se, 4k/s :-).
20:58.23geoffegin other words: i wonder if i should tyr it.
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20:58.35GeneralAntilleshttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
20:58.59geoffegquestion answered :)
20:59.25geoffegis there some app that people have been clamoring for that has been abandoned by the developer?
20:59.36K`zanjpilot :)
20:59.44doc|workgeoffeg: any mpd client :)
20:59.53geoffegmpd?
21:00.00doc|workmusic player daemon
21:00.05GeneralAntillesmmpc
21:00.05geoffegah
21:00.08GeneralAntillesdoc|work
21:00.19doc|workGeneralAntilles: according to the site there's no installer for it
21:00.21GeneralAntillesNewly refreshed and overhauled for OS2008
21:01.07geoffegdoes OS2008's RSS reader have an option to "mark all feeds as read"?
21:01.08konttoriheh. n81 vs n95.: http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
21:02.25K`zangeoffeg: I can't imagine that being optional, but dunno.
21:02.42geoffegk`zan: AFAIK it doesn't exist in 2007
21:02.42GeneralAntillesWell, doc|work, I just installed it.
21:03.31K`zangeoffeg: That could end up being a lot of work without it with any quantity of feeds, ewwww.\
21:04.30geoffegi'm checking again in 2007
21:04.44doc|workGeneralAntilles: hmmm, ok, I just looked at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ and saw missing install file
21:04.57K`zanhaven't gotten around to setting that up here, thrashing between 2007 and 2008...
21:04.59GeneralAntillesIt's in Extras, I think.
21:05.10GeneralAntillesJust install 2008, already. <_<
21:05.15K`zanLOL
21:05.22K`zanDownloading it now...
21:05.40doc|workhehe
21:05.46doc|workmaybe tonight
21:05.48K`zanat 110 baud acoustical speeds :-)
21:06.06K`zanMight as well go get some chow.
21:06.09doc|workyeah, just like maemo.org :/
21:06.33K`zanIf these things really get popular, those sites are going to get to be a problem.
21:06.41K`zanFor us geeks, we can wait :-).
21:07.51timelyx_Monkey forget but
21:07.52_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot but
21:07.55timelyx_Monkey but is <reply>
21:07.56_MonkeyOK, timelyx.
21:08.25konttoriNokia should start torrenting ;)
21:08.38K`zanewwww, that is generally even slower...
21:08.43bill20r3they should.
21:08.54K`zanOr has been whenever I tried it.
21:08.56konttoriSince when?
21:09.13konttoritorrents share the load. the method is genius.
21:09.15K`zanWas faster to find a site with it and do it direct.
21:09.32K`zanSo it would appear, just not in my experience :-(.
21:09.32doc|worknot when the damn site won't load :/
21:09.36konttoritorrents are the best for the peak load times
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21:10.36GeneralAntillesAs long as they still throw their own servers in with the upload.
21:10.43Veggenuhuh. slow, definitely...
21:10.57GeneralAntillesToo often they nearly completely offload it to the users.
21:11.23chxAs I read more and more on the N810 on internet tablet talk, the more it seems i would be better off with a N8x0 sized keyboard and the N800... is there such a keyboard? not foldable, if possible...
21:11.30guerby2.8 kB/s ...
21:11.41guerby8 hours remaining
21:11.54K`zanchx: There is one I saw that folds up, about $150 IIRC.
21:12.00GeneralAntillesNot foldable?
21:12.03GeneralAntillesand N800 sized?
21:12.14chxGeneralAntilles: Am I dreaming?
21:12.15K`zanNothing is n800 sized :-).
21:12.26GeneralAntillesThere's that frog keyboard
21:12.31K`zanMy old palm keyboard would be ideal, unf not BT :-(.
21:12.44GeneralAntillesThe iGo foldable bluetooth keyboard is great.
21:12.50doc|workhow much?
21:12.55K`zanShould look into what it takes to convert it to BT...
21:13.19chxMotorola TXTR D7?
21:13.19GeneralAntilleshttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
21:13.50timelyxguerby: you can reenable pen input devices
21:13.55geoffegchx: are you requiring a conventional qwerty keyboard? the frogpad is small but might take some time to get used to
21:13.59konttorihow about the apple keyboard?
21:14.05timelyxthat lets you have the vkb as long as the hkb is disabled
21:14.08konttoriIt's pretty small and it's just stunning to use
21:14.24doc|workbut then you're giving money to apple
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21:14.26doc|work:)
21:14.28geoffegi have the bluetooth laser keyboard, pretty cool, hard as hell to type on
21:14.32chxgeoffeg: yes, a conventional qwerty would be good, i can't even get used to those fancy natural keyboards.
21:14.34konttorihttp://www.apple.com/keyboard/
21:14.38konttorithe wireless one
21:14.44Veggenok, this is ridiculously slow. I'm tempted to ask to get it from someone here..?
21:14.51chxkonttori: I suspect it's much much bigger...?
21:15.22chxI am dreaming of a pocketable SSH device, here.
21:15.25Veggen(even though I know it's pirating, technically speaking. *grmf*)
21:15.36doc|workVeggen: internettablettalk.com
21:15.45GeneralAntilleschx: just use the fullscreen thumbboard, chx.
21:15.51GeneralAntillesIt works great.
21:16.10chxreally...?
21:16.14GeneralAntillesYes.
21:16.15doc|workit does, only the return key and backspace need to be swapped :)
21:16.23doc|work:/ every time :/
21:16.23chxwhat about tactile feedback ...?
21:16.34chxsmearing from my fingers?
21:16.35GeneralAntillesMaybe 2009. :)
21:16.39doc|workheh
21:16.40GeneralAntillesSmearing isn't a problem.
21:16.47GeneralAntillesUnless you have really nasty hands
21:16.51GeneralAntillesin which case, wash more. :)
21:16.52geoffegi wonder how hard it is to write a replacement onscreen keyboard.. one that acts a little like the iphonekeyboard
21:17.07doc|workI think it's been done
21:17.10GeneralAntillesI hear it'll be easier with OS2008
21:17.17doc|workor maybe I'm thinking of openmoko
21:17.21geoffegi thought that had been done for canola only or something
21:17.38GeneralAntillesThere was a Python demo
21:17.46GeneralAntillesBut it only works in the demo app.
21:17.47chxthis Freedom Slim Keypad would pwn but it's vaporware it seems.
21:17.52andrunkohttp://andrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/iphone-like-keyboard-on-canola.html
21:17.59andrunkocheck this out
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21:20.25K`zanonly another 7 hours...
21:20.28alteregoUntil what?
21:20.28K`zanGlad I have a cable connection :-)
21:20.32K`zan2008SE
21:20.35alteregoO_O
21:20.35doc|workheh
21:20.38K`zan:-)
21:20.46alteregoYou have a cable connection and it's taking you 7 hours for a 140M file?!
21:20.58GeneralAntillesMakes it sound like Windows 98SE, K`zan.
21:20.59Veggenalterego: site is slow.
21:21.10GeneralAntilles12KB/sec now.
21:21.15alteregoIt was slow when I did it .. At 80-100K/s
21:21.18K`zanGeneralAntilles: Reminds me of the 110/300 baud dial up days :)
21:21.24Veggen3.6 KB/sec for me.
21:21.30K`zanBlazing...
21:21.50K`zanObviously web site performance is important to Nokia :-/.
21:21.51pupnikmaybe the dealers are flashing units to fix a bug :)
21:21.52maddlerdamn... dpkg --force-all is not working! :(
21:21.58alteregoI could write a script, that validates peoples MAC addresses with the Nokia site and then gives them access to a torrent ..
21:22.13alteregoI wouldn't feel so bad about doing that.
21:22.18GeneralAntillesHa
21:22.34maddleralterego: also considering MAC validation can be easily circumvented!
21:22.37GeneralAntillesOr just find yourself a more unscrupulous type to do it for you.
21:22.50alteregomaddler, just like it can on their site so they can't cry at me about bad security :P
21:23.00maddlerhehe
21:23.05K`zanFaking it out worked for the 810 2008 bin :-/.
21:23.16maddlerK`zan: right...
21:23.20Veggenalterego: I could give you my mac address in /msg, and then you could validate, and then do a /dcc send? shouldn'
21:23.25Veggen't take too long? ;)
21:23.27guerbyVeggen, 4kB/s for me...
21:23.30maddlerno reason to check for something you don't really check...
21:23.49maddlerguerby: yep... it was 10KB for me... :|
21:23.58K`zanYep, what good is the bin file to someone without the correct device, duhhh...
21:24.00_|Nix|_Sheeesh! maemo is slowfully woe tonight ...
21:24.02doc|workeven garage is sucking
21:24.05alteregoVeggen, would be better if I uploaded it to my server. DCC from my machine (async) would be just as painful. Probably only 20K/s or something similar.
21:24.05maddlerwhich is pretty slow being on a 20mbit! :|
21:24.14guerbymaddler, well I'll have it tomorrow morning...
21:24.35K`zanMaybe me too :)
21:24.40alteregoI quite liked the torrent idea ..
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21:24.50K`zanUp to almost 8 hours now...
21:24.56bill20r3oof.
21:24.58K`zanMaybe not tomorrow at this rate.
21:25.01bill20r3mine took like 3 hours.
21:25.09alteregoMine took 15minutes :P
21:25.13alteregoAre you all states?
21:25.14K`zanEarly bird gets the worm with that site...
21:25.27K`zanI am, west coast USA, Seattle...
21:26.02alteregoProbably more effective if someone tells me they're _not_ from the states and they're getting crap dl rate from tablets-dev.nokia.com ..
21:26.30VeggenI'm not from the stated.
21:26.31GeneralAntillesYou could always try again, alterego.
21:26.34Veggeneh, states.
21:26.52alteregoOkay ..
21:27.33alteregoOkay .. That _is_ slow ..
21:27.50alteregoIt's maemo.org slow ..
21:29.34alteregoHeh, I bet we're all going to be blogging on Christmas day after recieving out N810's on Christmas even ^_^
21:29.52alterego9 days between release and Christmas ..
21:29.55maddleralterego: indeed...
21:30.03alteregoThat is cutting it __fine__ ..
21:30.07maddlerbeside I won't get it before nex january...
21:30.30maddler:|
21:30.32maddlersince I won't be at home fron dec 20/jan 2
21:30.46alteregoAre you a fortunate 500?
21:31.01|RAnd mine will be bouncing through france or the usa...
21:31.02maddleralterego: yep...
21:31.03alterego(reminds me of the 4400)
21:31.13Khertanhow to use flasher 3 to flash os2008 on my n800 ? Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
21:31.13KhertanTo flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image
21:31.15maddlerhehe... true...
21:31.16Khertani get this error
21:31.19alteregomaddler, visiting family over Christmas? Why don't you get it delivered to their place ..
21:31.27geoffegWhere's the Turbo Boost button for tablets-dev.nokia.com?
21:31.31maddleralterego: will be traveling...
21:31.40GeneralAntillesHelsinki, geoffeg. :)
21:31.53alteregoCastle Nokia ..
21:31.53geoffegwell someone needs to go to helsinki and push the button
21:32.19alteregoUnfortunately it diverts bandwidth from security.microsoft.com
21:32.23alteregoI think they need the bw more ..
21:32.25GeneralAntillesHa
21:32.40Khertanarg ... checksum ok ... can't flash it ... grrrr
21:33.15alteregoKhertan, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f
21:33.20alteregoThat should do it.
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21:34.47Khertanalterego: it what i ve do ...
21:34.50Khertanalterego: it what i ve done ...
21:34.57alteregoKhertan, so .. What's the error?
21:35.28KhertanTo flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image
21:35.31Khertansnifff
21:35.35alteregoO_o
21:35.42Khertanas you said
21:35.55alteregoUnpack it and forget about the bootloader.
21:36.27alteregoIn other words .. Do the same method as the N810 on N800 hack.
21:36.28Khertanlol ... i ll try :)
21:37.01Khertanit s work better now :) ... flashing in progress :)
21:37.07Khertanthanks :)
21:37.24alteregoHmm .. Looks like tablets-dev needs jscript ..
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21:37.59alteregoEither that or it's denying people into the download area :)
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21:39.41czralterego, maybe it's just protecting people from needlessly downloading packages that will break anyway? :-)
21:39.52alteregoPfft.
21:40.22alteregoI didn't have problems with the N810 release and I've not yet had problems with the N800 release .. Which is more stable ..
21:40.29GeneralAntillesHehe
21:40.56alteregoYes, you're right. I don't count stability as an issue :P
21:41.19GeneralAntillesAnybody have a cheatsheet for the OS2008 keyboard shortcuts?
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21:41.34alteregoGeneralAntilles, that's a good idea .. Make one :P
21:41.46alterego;)
21:41.52alteregoThey're all spread out in the user guide ;)
21:42.16alteregoI think ctrl+k is close window
21:42.33milhousejeeez.... this new beta os2008/n800 is taking hours to download! hopefully that's due to demand and not a flakey server/connection :)
21:42.36alteregoThat's the only one I can remember though ..
21:42.50alteregomilhouse, it's demand. I got it earlier at 80-100K/s
21:42.51milhousemy download is crawling along at 3kb/sec!
21:42.54GeneralAntillesWish I could switch Windows and alt like it is on OS X
21:43.03milhousealterego: that's good to hear :)
21:43.06GeneralAntillesCombination, methinks, milhouse.
21:43.13alteregoAlt-tab like function?
21:43.27GeneralAntillesSo control and alt were next to eachother.
21:44.17alteregoI kind of wish I didn't bother flashing it now. I can't even install an ssh server O_O
21:44.57GeneralAntillesWhy not?
21:45.00GeneralAntillesExtras enabled?
21:45.12alteregoit's not just tablets-dev that's slow ;)
21:45.16GeneralAntillesHa
21:45.22alteregoThink of all the people downloading the 32 apps on downloads.maemo.org ..
21:45.46GeneralAntillesThey need to slap a half-dozen more servers onto maemo.org
21:45.50GeneralAntillesI mean, seriously, it's so bad.
21:45.53alteregoActually, I wonder if maemo extras and tablets-dev are the same server.
21:46.08GeneralAntillesSeems likely
21:46.21geoffegtablets-dev is an akamai site
21:46.40alteregoYeah, different IP
21:46.44alteregoSame subnet though
21:47.22alteregoThough, IP is meaningless. They could all be running on an 800Mhz PIII with 64M RAM.
21:47.33czr/usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 14: /usr/sbin/compatibility.sh: No such file or directory
21:47.49czrhmm. one has to run /usr/run_me_first.sh to finish up scratchbox install?
21:47.58czrand what a stupid place to put a script anyway :-)
21:48.08alteregoIf you're not doing an apt-get install scratchbox-packages.
21:48.13czrah. especially since it doesn't even exist
21:48.17alteregoHeh
21:48.18czralterego, I did
21:48.24alteregoReally?
21:48.29czrdpkg -i :-)
21:48.29alteregoI didn't have any setup after that ..
21:48.44alteregoExcept the echo "1024 65000" > /proc/ ... stuff
21:48.51czrhmm?
21:48.56czrtsavola, ping?
21:48.59czror jumpula
21:49.21alteregolocal IP port range ..
21:49.27GeneralAntillesShould I leave the stand on my iGo keyboard on or off?
21:49.33czrwhy would you need to setup that alterego?
21:49.44alteregoGeneralAntilles, didn't it break off when you threw it out of the window?
21:49.52GeneralAntillesNo, thankfully.
21:49.53alteregoczr, dunno. Scratchbox complains when I don't.
21:49.58GeneralAntillesLanded on somebody's cat.
21:50.00czralterego, weird
21:50.03alteregoNice.
21:50.08alteregoIt's a common issue.
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21:50.34alteregoOh, skype _is_ available now ..
21:51.19chxlet's say I give up... and I will use a foldable keyboard. is there some handy case to hold the N800 and a foldable keyboard together , forming, essentially, a very mini laptop?
21:51.42chxso you do not need to find a table , you can just work wherever
21:52.08alteregochx, you could make one with a small aluminum brief case.
21:52.13alteregoI saw a pic, hang on.
21:52.55czrbleh, the 4.0 SDK instructions refer to sbox 1.0 installation docs.
21:53.00alteregohttp://techepics.com/files/nokia_770_laptop.jpg
21:53.03alteregoHow cool is that :)
21:53.04czrwhich claim that installing sbox debs will ask questions. it doesn't.
21:53.39alteregoThough .. He uses a USB keyboard.
21:53.50chxalterego: awfuly big, sorry, as I imagine, i would pocket the N800, the foldable keyboard and as I open, there is a somethign that holds em together
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21:53.59alteregoczr, mine did. It asked what users I want added.
21:54.04chxusually these foldable keyboards have some holder...?
21:54.06alteregoczr, and the name of a group.
21:54.13GeneralAntillesI think having the iGo, the N800 and my cellphone in one pocket is a little much.
21:54.18czralterego, with apt-get?
21:54.21alteregochx, I know. I just thought you might want to see it ;)
21:54.24alteregoczr, yup
21:54.27czrweird
21:54.35chxalterego: i read that blog (as everyone else?)
21:54.36GeneralAntillesIt's like a have a massive tumor on my thigh.
21:54.51alteregoczr, this was a month or so ago and my short term memory for these details can be somewhat foggy ;) But I do distinctly remember it asking me questions.
21:55.03alteregochx, probably before my time.
21:55.22alteregoGeneralAntilles, maybe you do. Cell phone pocket?
21:55.25chxhttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009EBYA?smid=A3IZHOEADOGAP0&tag=nextag-ce-tier1-20&linkCode=asn you see this here?
21:55.41alteregoI hear those N95's are tumours in a brushed aluminum finish.
21:55.47czralterego, I found the culprit
21:55.47GeneralAntillesHa
21:55.54geoffegIT'S NOT AH TUHMA
21:55.58alterego;)
21:56.05czralterego, or rather, I didn't, but found a work-around. kind of
21:56.19czrtuhma = naughty in finnish
21:56.28alteregoczr, are you trying to break things on purpose again? :)
21:56.33GeneralAntillesThis is what you want, chx: http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196114179&sr=1-1
21:56.34geoffegalterego: by that you mean the bluetooth+802.11+cell signal?
21:56.47czralterego, for fucks sake, I'm just trying to do things My Way(tm), which is Clearly Superior(tm) :-)
21:57.01bill20r3Obviously(C).
21:57.02chxGeneralAntilles: what holds the stuff together?
21:57.04alteregogeoffeg, I was only kidding ;)
21:57.09chxGeneralAntilles: keyboard and tablet
21:57.11czralterego, but yeah. just stumbling upon corners which have obviously gotten zero testing.
21:57.13alteregogeoffeg, but I would have included the GPS reciever in there too.
21:57.17geoffegalterego: cause like, if you don't want your n95 you can mail it to me
21:57.25alteregoHah
21:57.29geoffegalterego: receivers don't emit anything, TEH DUH
21:57.33GeneralAntillesGravity, chx. :)
21:57.37alteregogeoffeg, I was being sarcastic ;)
21:57.47geoffegalterego: that's why i added "TEH DUH" :)
21:57.48chxIncludes carrying case & detachable PDA/phone stand
21:57.50chxAh haaa!
21:57.58GeneralAntillesAh, right
21:57.58alteregogeoffeg, I hear the screen is so bright it can blind grown men.
21:58.01GeneralAntillesIt's not in the picture there.
21:58.04ajturner_GeneralAntilles: wow, $30 for the stow-away? assume it is standard BT HID?
21:58.06GeneralAntillesSorry, chx, I was being mean. :(
21:58.09GeneralAntillesYeah
21:58.12GeneralAntillesWorks perfectly
21:58.17geoffegalterego: i hear the CPU gets so hot it can cook your nuts in 2 seconds
21:58.17GeneralAntillesBlack Friday/Holiday deal.
21:58.27GeneralAntillesWas $70-$80 four days ago.
21:58.29alteregoSounds like an ex girlfriend.
21:58.48alteregoOh, shit .. I missed black friday ..
21:58.55GeneralAntillesWhat's with the broken Rhapsody 3.1?
21:59.01chx$30, where????
21:59.01GeneralAntillesOHSHIT!
21:59.07GeneralAntillesamazon.com
21:59.11chxah right now on amazon.com
21:59.13chxtrue.
21:59.14chxnice.
21:59.16alteregoI'm not even in the states. But I run over to the nearest US airbase and ransack the place.
21:59.22GeneralAntillesHaha
21:59.37GeneralAntillesIt just gets crazy over here
21:59.43alteregoI still don't get why it's called "Black Friday" .. Kind of sounds racist to me.
21:59.48GeneralAntillesPeople stampeding into WalMart at 3 AM
21:59.55ajturner_heh, most popular combo is the stowaway + N800
21:59.56GeneralAntillesSeems like something recent
22:00.03GeneralAntillesAs I don't ever recall it being called that in the past.
22:00.32bill20r3altergeo, supposedly it's the day that retailers go 'into the black' for the year.
22:00.39GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
22:00.44captlloyd_mm
22:00.46GeneralAntillesEnd of first paragraph, alterego.
22:00.50GeneralAntillesSounds pretty stupid to me.
22:00.55GeneralAntillesOr just plain wrong.
22:01.04alteregoczr, hahah
22:01.15czrit's too late to change now though. user user ftw.
22:01.24czrthe hostname is 'system' btw :-)
22:01.33alteregoczr, what are you running? Maemo or Mac OS X?
22:01.34alterego:P
22:01.42alteregoNo-one should have a user user.
22:01.46czralterego, this is ubuntu for now :-)
22:01.46ajturner_it's also referenced "Black" b/c its such an insane day to work in a retail store
22:01.59czralterego, yeah, but when writing generic training material, it's not always obvious which names to use.
22:02.09czralterego, using czr@itchy for example doesn't make much sense.
22:02.11alteregoErm .. Okay.
22:02.34[pablo]_has anyone gotten media box to work on 2008?
22:02.55czralterego, people realize the amount of suffering and tears that goes into writing training material :-)
22:02.59czr+rarely
22:03.24GeneralAntillesWe should make a holiday.
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22:03.42alteregoAh, I get it now.
22:03.46captlloyd_I'm trying to get a copy of the latest OS2008 and its downloading SLOWWWW
22:04.16captlloyd_I had it on my desktop, but I'm not there right now, I'm kicking myself for not bringing a copy of the image with me
22:04.20alteregoczr, you could always do a global substitution of czr for user and @itchy to @hostname
22:04.22alterego:P
22:04.46czralterego, I could, if I'd be using my own generator system
22:04.47alteregoYeah, everyone's having that problem.
22:04.55czrbut the crap that I'm using is really lame
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22:05.03konttoriworks really well
22:05.07alteregoSomeone should ask for a Nokia BT tracker. It'd be most effective for these things.
22:05.13czrI'd need to unescape all the unnecessary escaping I'm doing in order to replace pretty much anything in the listings
22:05.32captlloyd_Anyone have a fastish place they could put up a copy of the image?
22:05.39czralterego, it's not going to happen. bt tracker that is
22:05.49K`zanIf I ever get it :)
22:05.54alteregoczr, It is if I do it ;)
22:05.59czralterego, also, I don't think releasing the image as bt would be possible because of legal issues
22:06.00K`zanOnly 6.75 hours left...
22:06.06alteregoOh.
22:06.08czralterego, it won't be a nokia bt tracker then :-)
22:06.10captlloyd_yeah, same thing here, 6+ hours
22:06.38K`zanNow 8 hours 15 minutes :-(
22:06.55czralterego, I'm not saying it would be impossible. just not going to happen.
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22:07.16GeneralAntillesJoin the fun: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
22:07.18alteregoczr, it seems quite trivial to me :/ I don't see why they wouldn't do it.
22:07.30czralterego, you haven't worked with nokia before :-)
22:07.58alteregoczr, I dunno if you saw my idea earlier. About setting up a small section on my site that people entered their MAC's and it validated it with tablets-dev .. Then allowed them to download a .torrent file and become part of the swarm.
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22:08.26czralterego, that wouldn't stop anyone from joining into the swarm
22:08.27alteregoczr, that's _as_ secure as the current method :)
22:08.41czrwell. yeah. but not really :-)
22:08.48alteregoczr, how would they get the .torrent? You can't just "scan" for swarms.
22:08.49czrand the current system does suck, I know :-)
22:09.00czralterego, someone would publish a DHT point or two
22:09.13K`zanOK, I'll try the torrent thing again...
22:09.19alteregoAnd from that people could steal some random torrent?
22:09.27elbyes
22:09.28K`zanBUT leaving the other running since it is MUCH faster than the torrent already :)
22:09.29czralterego, the image.
22:09.40*** join/#maemo me__ (n=lubyou@dslc-082-082-064-156.pools.arcor-ip.net)
22:09.41alteregoInteresting. I didn't know :)
22:09.41elbyou can join a torrent without the tracker's involvement
22:09.52elball the tracker does is provide a convenient place to find it
22:10.01K`zanup and down 0 KB/s
22:10.03czrelb btw, the issue with libdbus is not going to be fixed. got shouted at by thiago for even raising the whole assert issue :-)
22:10.04alteregoRight
22:10.11elbwell, I think it does more than that, but it's not *required*
22:10.13elbczr: really?
22:10.19elbczr: that sucks
22:10.19czrelb, yup.
22:10.22czryup.
22:10.25elbthey have no plan for connecting without aborting?
22:10.27Jiten_is there some control on who can download those files? if not, I don't really see what's the difference with http link and a torrent.
22:10.38alteregoThere's an issue with dbus?
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22:10.47alteregoczr, oh. ke-recv is about automounting ..
22:10.51czrelb, the issue is (according to thiago) that not having uuid in place is a "failed install", and hence should abort the library
22:10.52konttorithe biggest reason why tacker is out of the question at  the moment is because of lwgal contracts between nokia and 3rd party component providers
22:10.55milhousebugger... download crapped out at 68% :( god help us if nokia tablets ever become really popular! ;)
22:11.13K`zanmilhouse: I said that earlier :)
22:11.24czrelb, so it qualifies as "library internal assert". I don't agree but who am I to argue.
22:11.25K`zanNow the torrent is faster...
22:11.27elbczr: so ... because some library which an application uses which may not even be necessary for correct operation has a hissy, the appliction should abort with prejudice?
22:11.37alteregoThere's a torrent?
22:11.38czrelb, that seems his point.
22:11.45czrelb, in this case. the uuid mess.
22:11.46elbI would disagree, as well
22:12.01K`zanhttp://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
22:12.02czrI don't like libraries asserting internally
22:12.12elbneither do I
22:12.23czrunless it's about something internal in them. something not visible in the environment at all
22:12.27elblibraries should assert internally only when they identify a situation where they believe data may be corrupt, etc.
22:12.28K`zan2x the direct speed (9 KB/s)
22:12.29czrbut even then it's pita.
22:12.30czryup
22:12.36konttoriwhat dbus assert issue?
22:12.39alteregoczr, otherwise they should probably propogate ;)
22:12.41elb*certainly* not because some file is missing
22:12.49elbor an environment variable, or any such thing
22:12.54czrkonttori, run any app that uses libosso without run-standalone and you'll see. dbus_bus_get will assert and abort.
22:13.00czrkonttori, or any libdbus client for that matter.
22:13.21czrkonttori, 3.2 handled this by returning NULL from that function. 4.0/1.0.2 asserts internally.
22:13.24derfCrashing your program makes people fix things.
22:13.25alteregoYeah, the machine uuid issue is very common though ..
22:13.36konttorican you please file a bug
22:13.56czrkonttori, the dbus people aren't going to fix it
22:14.08czrkonttori, but I can. later. will drop you a note with the number.
22:14.15konttorimy team handles dbus among other things
22:14.20czrgreat
22:14.21geoffegI hope the tablets-dev download resumes when i get home
22:14.38konttoriso, i can promise a good evaluation at least
22:15.12czrkonttori, I did discuss this on #dbus yesterday. thiago said that it _should_ assert.
22:15.24czrimho it's not what it should do, but.. :-)
22:15.33czrbut I'll write a bug and we'll see what will happen.
22:16.19konttoriahh... yes, well, then i guess it's still better to file the bug. nagging tends to help
22:16.32maddlergreat!!! Skype running on N800! :DDD
22:17.36captlloyd_I've had no luck finding an N810 2008 torrent
22:17.40K`zanOk, maybe torrent is better - already up to 30 KB/S - direct still at 4.1
22:18.28GeneralAntillesScroll up, captlloyd. :\
22:18.48GeneralAntillesStop stealing my bandwidth, K`zan. :P
22:19.08K`zanLOL, just hedging my bets :-)
22:19.15captlloyd_That's the version for N800
22:19.17captlloyd_RX-34
22:19.18K`zanGet the torrent - MUCH faster
22:19.39K`zan6x ATM...
22:19.50GeneralAntillesUh, why do you need an N810 OS2008 torrent?
22:19.53K`zanPassed what I got direct already.
22:19.54GeneralAntillesIt already has OS2008.
22:20.03captlloyd_They released an update
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22:20.12GeneralAntillesI'm running at 70-80KB on the torrent.
22:20.14alteregoO_o
22:20.27alteregoGeneralAntilles, that's good :)
22:20.29K`zan20 KB/s ATM here.
22:20.30pi_re
22:20.31captlloyd_I'm also trying to figure out if I have something wrong with my tablet, some things aren't working
22:20.39alteregoSo some bad person has done a N800 OS2008 torrent?
22:20.42captlloyd_I think its just buggy software
22:20.49K`zanMay need to do some rearrangement for torrent on the firewall.
22:20.50GeneralAntillesI need to get my mother to open this up at home and throw the massive pipe I have there behind it. :)
22:20.51alteregocaptlloyd, what's not working?
22:21.09captlloyd_Just the google based voice chat
22:21.10K`zanYow, just jumped to 175 KB/s!
22:21.13captlloyd_Says its working fine
22:21.20captlloyd_but I hear nothing, and noone hears me
22:21.20alteregoI'd join in but I'm not sure how to integrate an already complete file.
22:21.33GeneralAntillesThat's a NAT issue, captlloyd_.
22:21.47GeneralAntillesJust select it when it asks where to download, alterego.
22:21.49captlloyd_I turned on DMZ and pointed it at my tablet
22:21.58captlloyd_and it did the same thing
22:22.03captlloyd_Maybe I'll try it again
22:22.07GeneralAntillesHow about on the other end?
22:22.10alteregoGeneralAntilles, seriously? :/
22:22.16GeneralAntillesOr, rather, select the folder that it resides in.
22:22.17GeneralAntillesYes.
22:22.20K`zanNeed to replace that router with an access point :-/.
22:22.28GeneralAntillesIt'll check it against the torrent.
22:22.29alteregoWhere's the torrent?
22:22.30_Monkeythe torrent is slow shit
22:22.34GeneralAntilleshttp://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
22:22.35captlloyd_Yeah, it could have been the person on the other end too
22:22.41GeneralAntilles_Monkey, STFU
22:22.41_Monkeyyes sir
22:22.42alterego_monkey forget torrent
22:22.42_Monkeyalterego: I forgot torrent
22:22.53alterego_monkey torrent is <reply>
22:22.54_MonkeyOK, alterego.
22:22.59K`zan_Monkey: Just jumped here from 20 KB/s to almost 200.  Now at 150, patience I guess :).
22:22.59_MonkeyK`zan: huh?
22:23.05alterego_monkey the newb ..
22:23.06_Monkeyalterego: excuse me?
22:23.22K`zan_Monkey: huh? huh?
22:23.23_Monkeyk`zan: bugger all, i dunno
22:23.28K`zanMe either :)
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22:23.36alteregoI'll superseed for a couple of hours.
22:24.01K`zan24:52 on the torrent, 7:33 on the direct, gonna kill the direct.
22:24.10K`zanThanks to whomever put up the torrent!
22:24.45K`zan***Thanks*** to whomever put up the torrent! :-)
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22:33.25K`zanAnyone got an MD5SUM on that torrent?
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22:34.29jslegareHi all.
22:34.29_MonkeyHi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye?
22:34.30alterego900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c
22:34.33alteregoThat's what I've got.
22:34.49alterego_Monkey forget Hi all.
22:34.49_Monkeyalterego, I didn't have anything matching hi all
22:34.51alterego_Monkey forget Hi all
22:34.52_Monkeyalterego, I didn't have anything matching hi all
22:34.54alterego_Monkey forget Hi
22:34.55_Monkeyalterego: I forgot hi
22:34.58alterego_Monkey forget all
22:34.59_Monkeyalterego, I didn't have anything matching all
22:35.06alterego_Monkey Hi is <reply>
22:35.06_MonkeyOK, alterego.
22:35.07K`zanalterego: THanks, wll check when it finishes here and verify.
22:35.18alteregoDumb bot.
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22:35.22elboh good, more infobot spam
22:35.35alteregoMaybe it should only remember stuff over 4 characters ..
22:35.36[pablo]_lol
22:35.43alteregoAnd have a black list of common greetings O_O
22:35.48elbI don't know if it's worse when they reply with irrelevancies, or when people twiddle with them in channel for a dozen lines
22:36.02elbreally, it should only reply to things which are prefixed with _Monkey:
22:36.05alteregoelb, I tried to get it over and done with quickly ;)
22:36.25GeneralAntillesHa, direct and torrent are neck and neck!
22:36.26milhouseyou can always chat with _monkey privately :)
22:36.28captlloyd_Ok, so I got someone else to turn on DMZ on their end too
22:36.34captlloyd_and still they can't hear me, and I can't hear them
22:37.06captlloyd_*sigh*
22:37.26elbI do that when people I don't want to talk to call, sometimes
22:37.29GeneralAntillesStill doesn't eliminate network problem.
22:37.35elb"I can't hear you, you're breaking up"
22:37.37elb<click>
22:37.51captlloyd_I wonder what I can try next
22:37.57jslegareI'm trying to port a firefox plugin to the N800. Is there a bora specific version of the Gecko-Sdk (the mozilla np-api header files) I can use ?
22:38.46GeneralAntillesMake it as awesome as Plankton.
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22:39.01alteregoIt'll be awesomer.
22:39.20alteregoWhen you say plankton. Do you mean echo?
22:39.21K`zanConfirm md5sum here is same: 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c
22:39.25alterego(default OS2008)
22:39.47alteregoYes, they're the same.
22:40.11GeneralAntilleshttp://www.iki.fi/zuh/gimp-on-n800.png
22:40.14GeneralAntillesThat's the one I mean.
22:41.05alteregoWow .. I can really make it look different ..
22:41.08alteregoThe whole systemy.
22:41.39K`zancrap, blew away the torrent client, was going to leave it up and seeding :-/
22:41.43K`zanLets see if I can get it back.
22:41.59alteregoGeneralAntilles, the GIMP in scratchbox ;)
22:41.59czrhmm. weird. where is the devkit-debian-etch package for sbox?
22:42.14alteregoErm.
22:42.43czrhmm. maybe the automatic SDK installs script assumes that the sdk target have already been created
22:42.46alteregoczr, scratchbox-devkit-debian
22:42.54czralterego, I've got that installed.
22:43.07czrahh. I haven't
22:43.08czrwtf.
22:43.09alteregoscratchbox-devkit-maemo3 ?
22:43.22czrthat's installed.
22:43.31alteregoShould depend ..
22:43.33alterego:/
22:43.36czrbleh. doesn't.
22:43.51alteregoWell .. That's obvious. I was just saying it should ;)
22:44.01GeneralAntillesThe direct and the torrent finished within 2 seconds of eachother
22:44.04GeneralAntillesTime to flash.
22:44.12alteregoHeh
22:44.51czrheh. "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove remove which isn't installed."
22:44.51GeneralAntillesOh noes!
22:44.53alteregoOh crap .. That's _my_ N800!!
22:45.10alteregoI don't get any luck ..
22:45.10GeneralAntillesMuhahah!
22:45.14czralterego, no win available.
22:46.01alteregoOh .. That's what a breadcrumb is ..
22:46.30alteregoThose are neat ..
22:46.57milhousecool... with the torrent i'm pulling it down at 41kb/s :)
22:47.07milhousedirect is still going at a snails pace
22:47.37alteregoSweet .. I can even skin the clock applet ..
22:48.37alteregoThis is going to be fun ..
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22:58.23GeneralAntillesLooks like Backup doesn't remember your selected location for the restore applications procedure
22:58.24GeneralAntillesthat sucks.
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23:02.28alteregoLooks like the gtkrc theme file is generated from multiple files .. Interesting.
23:03.17DrelHello -- is there a mirror available for OS2008 for N800?  The tablets-dev.nokia.com site is terribly slow (currently getting 4Kbps).
23:03.43alteregoDrel, there's a torrent on piratebay appearantly.
23:04.09milhousethe torrent is working well - i just downloaded it in about 20 minutes
23:04.52geoffegnokia needs to host their files on some porn site, faster downloads
23:05.22Drelheh, thanks for tips, I'll check piratebay.
23:05.43geoffegwhoo, i'm getting 5KB now!
23:05.58alteregoIt's going to take a long time for me to refactor all of this information into something I can use me thinks.
23:06.30GeneralAntilleshttp://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
23:06.30milhousehere's the torrent link: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
23:06.38GeneralAntillesWin!
23:06.45milhousei won here! :)
23:06.55GeneralAntillesHa
23:07.00GeneralAntillesWe need a neutral 3rd party!
23:07.11milhousehehe
23:07.25DrelThanks guys, their search index seems out of date so the direct link was helpful.
23:07.25astro76GeneralAntilles by a nose
23:07.28astro76:p
23:07.31GeneralAntillesWoo!
23:07.35gla55_on my screen too
23:07.40DrelI got milhouse slightly earlier...
23:07.46GeneralAntillesOh noes!
23:08.07gla55_2vs1 for gen
23:08.18milhousei admit defeat! ;)
23:08.32GeneralAntillesA fine fight, sir!
23:08.44milhousecurses!
23:09.15GeneralAntillesI need to get my home pipe involved
23:09.18GeneralAntilles2Mbps up
23:09.26DrelSweet, 300kB/sec is more like it.
23:09.28GeneralAntillesToo bad my server machine that would let me get in is dead. :(
23:10.32doc|workI got milhouse first too :)
23:11.37GeneralAntillesProbably North America guys got me and Euros got him.
23:11.41GeneralAntillesBut he already admitted defeat!
23:13.03lophyteanyone know the standard currency in poland?
23:13.27DrelZloty?
23:13.35GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_z%C5%82oty
23:13.38GeneralAntillesI mean, for serious.
23:13.42GeneralAntillesWhat is wikipedia for?
23:14.03lophyteyeah I wasn't sure if it was zloty or euro
23:14.11DrelInteresting. I've never seen the l with a diagonal bar through it before.
23:14.29lophytebecause I found a couple of polish computer stores that listed prices in euro
23:15.59elbwikipedia is for finding articles which may or may not be at all correct, and then believing it as if it is and thus becoming dumber
23:16.05elbat least, that's what most people seem to do with it
23:19.33GeneralAntillesLooks like the Application Restore chokes on applications installed with .debs
23:20.19captlloyd_Well, didn't get the talk program to work, but Skype works great
23:21.15alteregoYeah, wikipedia has an IQ of ~80
23:21.21alteregoSlightly below the average.
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23:24.51DrelHmm.  Skype failed to install. :-(  It wants me to install the latest software for my N810 device (even though I have a N800).
23:26.47alteregoCrap
23:27.24Veggenuhuh. anyone got flasher-3.0 ?
23:27.51Veggen(seems I can't reach site right now - got the image per bittorent, but...hrmf)
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23:28.48Veggen(or, a direct lin to it. surfing for it is *slow*)
23:28.57GeneralAntilleshttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
23:29.11milhouseskype installed fine on my n800/os2008 (-18) - no difference to Skype on OS2007 tbh
23:29.30GeneralAntillesYeah, the version check is stupid
23:29.34GeneralAntilles1 < 18 or 19
23:29.36GeneralAntillesso it fails
23:29.41GeneralAntillesBut doesn't check the build week.
23:29.58kupesoftthe os2008 download is going *really* slow
23:30.00kupesoftanyone have a mirror?
23:30.27GeneralAntilleshttp://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
23:30.29elbpeople sure do complain a lot about stolen software
23:30.38milhousei'll upload flasher to my server - gimme to ticks
23:30.55doc|workelb: random thought of the hour? :)
23:31.23kupesoftGeneralAntilles: thanks
23:31.40Veggenelb: well. I *did* start download via official site, gave my WLAN id - so I don't feel guilty.
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23:32.54kupesoft_much better~ :)
23:32.58kupesoft_What a mirror for the flasher?
23:33.33milhouseVeggen: http://nmacleod.com/nokia/flasher-3.0
23:33.56Veggenthanks.
23:35.12milhouseThat is the Linux Intel x86 (32-bit not 64-bit) version, dynamic linkage
23:36.26kupesoftThe md5sum checks out (:
23:36.36milhouseThe Nokia flasher page (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) is slow but working OK here - I just downloaded flasher-3.0 from the Nokia site in under 10 seconds
23:37.02kupesoftmaemo.org is borked,
23:37.08kupesoftmemcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211.
23:37.38sp3000localhost:11211 is an awesome site
23:37.50elbVeggen: oh, most people here talking about os2008 used the instructions on the interweb to fetch it illicitly
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23:38.47GeneralAntillesHa
23:42.59alteregoInteresting ..
23:43.44alteregoI brokzored it :/
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23:44.50kupesoftIs the new firmware fast like the is2008 image meant for the n810?
23:45.01alteregokupesoft, why wouldn't it be?
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23:45.05kupesoftI dunno,
23:45.17alteregoWell then ..
23:45.23kupesoftmaybe there's some n810 kernel-tweaking that sped everything up,
23:45.30kupesoftbut not in the n800 image
23:45.33kupesoftc'est possible!
23:45.37alteregoWhy would they do that?
23:45.47alteregoThe N810 and N800 have almost identical hardware ..
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23:46.03alteregoSame CPU .. Same memory .. Same internal flash ..
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23:47.24kupesoftfair enough,
23:47.57kupesoftskype wouldn't install, says it wants the n810 firmware...
23:48.12alteregoIt is a beta.
23:48.22kupesoftfair enough,
23:49.16doc|workthat seems like an avoidable bug :/
23:49.49alteregoIt shouldn't even be available.
23:49.57GeneralAntillesThe Skype installer only checks the build number
23:50.00GeneralAntillesrather than the week
23:50.09GeneralAntillesas 1 is less than 18 or 19
23:50.13GeneralAntillesYou get a failure.
23:50.25alteregoYou could force it to install.
23:51.32Veggenok...where has the menu gone? ;)
23:51.56doc|worko.O
23:52.16Veggenoh. there.
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