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| 00:04.44 | GNUton | thoughtfix: hey! |
| 00:04.55 | thoughtfix | What's new? |
| 00:05.37 | zerojay | Hey Dan. |
| 00:06.34 | zerojay | Hmm.. 12 point modified default themes for IT2008. |
| 00:07.06 | thoughtfix | I am without an OS2008 box |
| 00:07.27 | zerojay | I don't understand the long wait for us coupon users. |
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| 00:08.41 | thoughtfix | I don't understand it either |
| 00:08.48 | thoughtfix | but it's a tough time |
| 00:09.21 | zerojay | I'd have thought we should be the first to get them, but whatever... probably won't have the money to get it anymore once the coupon does come through. |
| 00:09.24 | thoughtfix | Announcements, holiday season, then CES all in a row |
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| 00:11.43 | zerojay | I don't want to feel like an ass and complain about it because it's a huge discount, but still.. kind of feels like we were overlooked. |
| 00:11.49 | harkonen | does anyone know where to get 2008OS for N800? |
| 00:12.00 | zerojay | tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 00:12.05 | thoughtfix | ... When it is released. |
| 00:12.10 | harkonen | oh |
| 00:12.16 | harkonen | only for 810 now huh? |
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| 00:12.36 | zerojay | I don't think that you'd be all that interested in it right now. |
| 00:12.41 | zerojay | The lack of apps... |
| 00:12.52 | zerojay | The fact that RSS Reader segfaults... |
| 00:13.06 | topster | does anyone know if the new skype 2.0b works on maemo? does it work with the webcam? |
| 00:13.19 | zerojay | They didn't annouce it for the tablets. |
| 00:13.32 | zerojay | And no, it doesn't. |
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| 00:13.37 | rubiks | How do I clear the "Lock Device" option? |
| 00:13.46 | zerojay | rubiks: Send it to Nokia. |
| 00:13.59 | zerojay | If you forgot the PIN. |
| 00:14.13 | rubiks | yup |
| 00:14.19 | zerojay | Yeah, Nokia. |
| 00:15.08 | zerojay | That's why it's written everywhere "DON'T FORGET THE PIN!!" |
| 00:15.11 | rubiks | if i'm root, can't i just clear it manually? |
| 00:15.22 | zerojay | Nope, don't think so. |
| 00:15.52 | zerojay | Even after reflash, it's still there (though I think someone said the older original firmwares did clear the PIN at somepoint). |
| 00:16.16 | rubiks | hum well, i guess it will be cleared when i load os2008. ;) |
| 00:16.23 | zerojay | No. |
| 00:16.34 | zerojay | It won't. |
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| 00:17.25 | rubiks | there has to be something in root i can do. its linux |
| 00:17.38 | zerojay | There's not. |
| 00:17.55 | zerojay | It's not like it's stored in the rootfs. |
| 00:18.08 | zerojay | If it was, sure you could do something about it. |
| 00:18.11 | zerojay | But it's not. |
| 00:18.15 | toresbe | is OS2008 for the N800 out? |
| 00:18.24 | zerojay | Not officially, no. |
| 00:18.30 | toresbe | not *officially*? |
| 00:18.38 | zerojay | Yes, not officially. |
| 00:18.49 | toresbe | *not* officially? |
| 00:18.50 | toresbe | :) |
| 00:19.02 | zerojay | ... |
| 00:19.17 | toresbe | zerojay: that is, is it available unofficially? |
| 00:19.20 | disq | anybody got modest/tinymail debs? don't have access to my build env right now |
| 00:19.24 | disq | for chinook |
| 00:19.43 | zerojay | disq: I've got some that Yerga sent me from SVN if you're interested. |
| 00:19.57 | disq | i am :) |
| 00:19.59 | zerojay | Maybe a week old. |
| 00:20.18 | zerojay | Send me an msg with your e-mail address. |
| 00:20.34 | disq | thanks a lot |
| 00:20.43 | zerojay | No prob. |
| 00:20.52 | zerojay | I uninstalled it after playing with it for 5 minutes. |
| 00:20.55 | zerojay | Looks really good. |
| 00:21.25 | toresbe | zerojay: Is it available on a testing basis? |
| 00:23.02 | rubiks | :( |
| 00:23.45 | zerojay | toresbe: Are you the kind of user that doesn't mind having nearly no apps ported, files lots of bugs and follows maemo-developer? |
| 00:23.51 | zerojay | toresbe: If not, don't ask. |
| 00:24.18 | toresbe | zerojay: Yes, tmmmntja, not as well as I should, and not as ardently as I should. |
| 00:24.58 | zerojay | toresbe: You'd be better off not bothering then because you'll probably just reflash back to 2007 for a few weeks anyways. |
| 00:25.09 | zerojay | disq: Get it? |
| 00:25.12 | toresbe | but is it really in *that* bad a state? I mean, I've read Somewhere(tm) that the release is scheduled for november |
| 00:25.22 | disq | yep. great |
| 00:25.33 | zerojay | No, it's not in that bad a state, but it's still unfinished. |
| 00:25.44 | zerojay | And that release was pushed back to December. |
| 00:25.45 | toresbe | I'll promise to file bugs. :P |
| 00:26.03 | toresbe | I may well try to work on fmradio if that's not ported. It's my favoritest thing ever. |
| 00:26.13 | rubiks | what is the default lock code? |
| 00:26.29 | zerojay | rubiks: The user manual on your tablet is your friend. |
| 00:27.02 | zerojay | toresbe: They'll be releasing an update to IT2008 for the N810 in December at the same time as releasing IT2008 for the N800. |
| 00:27.34 | toresbe | zerojay: ah, OK. I can wait it out as a beta tester. :0 |
| 00:27.36 | zerojay | So unless you like an rss feed reader that segfaults every launch (if you even know what segfault means), I'd suggest you'd stay away. |
| 00:27.49 | toresbe | uh, yeah, I know what a segfault is, thank you. |
| 00:27.54 | zerojay | Just making sure. :) |
| 00:28.06 | toresbe | hehe, I guess you can't make any assumptions. I'm a coder myself. |
| 00:28.27 | zerojay | I made the mistake of installing the latest little update to IT2008 which states "improved stability" in the changelog and suddenly RSS just doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:28.31 | zerojay | The Home applet still works fine. |
| 00:28.33 | toresbe | hah |
| 00:28.49 | toresbe | so, where's the link? I promise I won't complain (loudly) about how much isn't working well. |
| 00:28.50 | zerojay | But clicking on a link to open the RSS feed reader just... opens the window and it dies right after. |
| 00:29.10 | zerojay | I already gave it to you. |
| 00:30.01 | zerojay | thoughtfix: Enjoying the eee? |
| 00:30.06 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 00:30.13 | thoughtfix | It's a combination of awesome and suck |
| 00:30.13 | thoughtfix | hehe |
| 00:30.26 | bvsciguy | ratio? |
| 00:30.31 | bvsciguy | eh |
| 00:30.33 | zerojay | I was thinking that the 800x480 resolution on that big a screen would suck. |
| 00:30.52 | timelyx | keesj: heh, that's one way to look at it :) |
| 00:30.56 | thoughtfix | Depends on what you want to do |
| 00:31.02 | zerojay | One of my friends was leaning towards getting a tablet (especially after seeing me with mine) but is opting for the eee instead. |
| 00:31.08 | toresbe | zerojay: where? |
| 00:31.26 | thoughtfix | http://flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2061038390/in/photostream/ |
| 00:31.40 | zerojay | Haha. |
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| 00:31.42 | zerojay | Awesome. |
| 00:32.03 | _|Nix|_ | Woah! That thing weighs nearly a kilo ... |
| 00:32.15 | toresbe | zerojay: You didn't give me any links I can find |
| 00:32.15 | zerojay | Your N95 doesn't write out the EXIF stuff? |
| 00:32.55 | zerojay | toresbe: Someone else asked before you. |
| 00:33.11 | zerojay | Scroll up. |
| 00:33.15 | toresbe | uhm, and they received what answer? |
| 00:34.24 | toresbe | there hasn't been an http:// link since 22:02. |
| 00:34.32 | timelyx | rubiks: i think technically as root you can clear the pin |
| 00:34.37 | timelyx | it's in the cal iirc |
| 00:34.49 | rubiks | ? |
| 00:35.06 | thoughtfix | Whoa |
| 00:35.11 | zerojay | thoughtfix: If only Canada had decent data plans, I'd pick up an N95 right away. I decided to fool around with the one we have at work and took a few pictures with it. I was impressed (though a little lost in the UI, so much more used to working on S60). |
| 00:35.27 | rubiks | cal iirc? |
| 00:35.27 | thoughtfix | flickr's geotagging on the N95+Shozu works perfectly. I'd better turn that off while home. |
| 00:35.54 | toresbe | zerojay: hello? |
| 00:35.55 | _Monkey | i heard hello was anyone using pidgen on their device? |
| 00:36.06 | toresbe | zerojay: who did you tell it to? at what time? |
| 00:36.16 | zerojay | Christ. |
| 00:36.48 | thoughtfix | Okay... I am going to make a list of Eee "unacceptable omissions" |
| 00:37.05 | timelyx | rubiks: google. |
| 00:37.05 | _Monkey | i guess google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
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| 00:37.19 | rubiks | ok |
| 00:37.29 | toresbe | zerojay: there have been three http:// links since I joined. None of them were from you. |
| 00:37.30 | thoughtfix | Like Bluetooth, kernel sources for the hardware modules, a downloadable kernel source kit, the option to extend mount points to the flash card... |
| 00:37.38 | timelyx | there's even a tool for it |
| 00:38.03 | toresbe | zerojay: *what*? |
| 00:38.04 | thoughtfix | _Monkey: Pidgin works wonderfully |
| 00:38.05 | _Monkey | thoughtfix: huh? |
| 00:38.19 | toresbe | I'm asking for a bloody URL. That has taken me 20 minutes. |
| 00:38.23 | toresbe | for fuck's sake. |
| 00:38.28 | toresbe | please give me the link. |
| 00:38.36 | zerojay | Open your eyes then, for fuck's sake. |
| 00:38.39 | thoughtfix | .... |
| 00:38.51 | thoughtfix | Yes. Insolence is exactly what you need to get what you want from IRC |
| 00:39.31 | toresbe | "insolence"!? |
| 00:39.52 | toresbe | so |
| 00:39.58 | timelyx | toresbe: google |
| 00:39.59 | _Monkey | google is, like, my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 00:40.03 | toresbe | approximately when did you answer the similar question to an unnamed individual? |
| 00:40.04 | zerojay | thoughtfix: Have you been finding it useful besides using it to use it? |
| 00:40.13 | toresbe | I *have* been googling before I asked the question here. |
| 00:40.24 | timelyx | toresbe: it made news.com |
| 00:40.29 | timelyx | i wonder what you sought |
| 00:40.32 | toresbe | timelyx: but it hasn't made google, clearly |
| 00:40.35 | toresbe | I don't know the appropriate search terms anyway |
| 00:40.37 | thoughtfix | Well it was great for music playback and recipe keeping on Thursday. Spent the whole day in the kitchen |
| 00:40.56 | zerojay | 12 point themes aren't anywhere near as useful in 2008, unfortunately. |
| 00:41.04 | zerojay | Well.. I guess it is fortunate in a way. |
| 00:41.07 | timelyx | zerojay: eh? |
| 00:41.21 | toresbe | zerojay: can you tell me who the other fellow was that you answered, then? |
| 00:41.35 | zerojay | thoughtfix: I guess the bigger screen helps when you're in the kitchen following recipies and stuff. |
| 00:42.12 | timelyx | toresbe: blah. a simple google search w/ the hints you have. |
| 00:42.17 | zerojay | timelyx: http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./themes-chinook |
| 00:42.18 | timelyx | if you can't figure it out, you shouldn't use it |
| 00:42.40 | timelyx | heh, indeed, quite useless |
| 00:42.46 | toresbe | zerojay: I finally found it in the backlog. Thanks for being completely useless, and being unfriendly in the process. |
| 00:42.51 | zerojay | timelyx: Try them out, but I don't really see the point in using them on 2008 anyways. |
| 00:42.51 | timelyx | your font isn't thumbable ;-b |
| 00:42.52 | toresbe | You deserve a cookie, or something. |
| 00:43.23 | timelyx | cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 00:43.29 | timelyx | _Monkey cookies? |
| 00:43.29 | _Monkey | cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 00:43.32 | timelyx | good bot. |
| 00:43.41 | zerojay | toresbe: Yes, I'm useless because I was the one that couldn't find an address and was perfectly friendly up until you expected me to hold your hand, which shows that you clearly aren't ready for installing it to begin with. |
| 00:43.59 | zerojay | So enjoy. |
| 00:44.05 | toresbe | sheesh |
| 00:44.07 | zerojay | I look forward to your complaints. |
| 00:44.15 | thoughtfix | mmmmm cookies |
| 00:44.30 | toresbe | 01:12 < zerojay> tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 00:44.35 | zerojay | Cookies would be nice right about now. |
| 00:44.40 | toresbe | that's the answer, is it? |
| 00:44.45 | zerojay | toresbe: Yes. |
| 00:44.53 | dasurfrdude | OMG |
| 00:44.56 | dasurfrdude | http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9816300-7.html |
| 00:44.59 | dasurfrdude | There |
| 00:45.04 | zerojay | lol |
| 00:45.08 | dasurfrdude | if your talking about os2008 |
| 00:45.12 | rubiks | what tool are you talking about? |
| 00:45.55 | timelyx | rubiks: google |
| 00:45.55 | _Monkey | hmmm... google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 00:45.58 | toresbe | so the N810 software will actually run unmodified on an N800? |
| 00:46.00 | zerojay | thoughtfix: Since you seem to spend time in the kitchen, got any good recipe sites? |
| 00:46.05 | toresbe | why have you been assuming I know this? |
| 00:46.14 | rubiks | been looking |
| 00:46.20 | dasurfrdude | toresbe: Yes. Ive done it and gone back. Nothing to worry about |
| 00:46.20 | timelyx | not sure if it actually lets you change it directly |
| 00:46.22 | zerojay | Because I assumed you used Google at least. |
| 00:46.25 | rubiks | pdf now reading |
| 00:46.27 | timelyx | but it at least explains what acal is |
| 00:46.31 | thoughtfix | oh most of my recipes are a combination of "something I find" plus "Whatever I have in the kitchen" plus "Ooops. I wonder how that will turn out." |
| 00:46.41 | zerojay | thoughtfix: Haha.. okay, cool. |
| 00:47.05 | toresbe | zerojay: I do use google. I haven't been using the right phrases, obviously. That's why you tend to interact with humans. |
| 00:47.06 | thoughtfix | But since you asked - http://www.epicurious.com/ |
| 00:47.12 | timelyx | thoughtfix: ever killed anyone that way? :) |
| 00:47.32 | thoughtfix | timelyx: An indictment is not a conviction |
| 00:47.40 | timelyx | touche |
| 00:47.49 | dasurfrdude | I used google. It took me one page of search results to find the news.com article. Please do NOT argue over irc. |
| 00:47.55 | dasurfrdude | Its gay. |
| 00:48.04 | timelyx | it's :( |
| 00:48.13 | toresbe | wow |
| 00:48.20 | zerojay | Yes, arguements sure do cause same-sex attraction. |
| 00:48.22 | rubiks | i feel like a dumb ass |
| 00:48.33 | zerojay | arguments |
| 00:48.39 | toresbe | first, failing to use "it's" correctly, then using homosexuality as a negative. You win the intelligence award! |
| 00:48.49 | dasurfrdude | Well, I can't imagine a masculine person getting pumped up in a chat room. |
| 00:49.06 | zerojay | At least he was able to find the news.com article on Google. |
| 00:49.07 | rubiks | lock device had default pass '12345' |
| 00:49.25 | dasurfrdude | Props to zerojay :D |
| 00:49.49 | toresbe | zerojay: I'd googled. "n800 chinook" doesn't get a single hit for news.com |
| 00:50.20 | dasurfrdude | I googled "OS2008 on N800" the lower-intellect search phrase |
| 00:50.29 | zerojay | toresbe: I guess you don't use the ITT forums or check out Planet Maemo very often then? |
| 00:50.38 | toresbe | zerojay: no, i don't |
| 00:50.45 | rubiks | http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N800_UG_en.pdf |
| 00:50.53 | zerojay | Okay, that would explain it. |
| 00:50.54 | toresbe | zerojay: for fuck's sake. I asked you a question. You could've replied with a URL. |
| 00:51.02 | toresbe | It's as simple as that. |
| 00:51.05 | _|Nix|_ | This is weird. I type "apt-cache policy libnss3" on my N800 and it tells me "http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages". Yet, when I add "deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free" to my N770, and run apt-get update, I get nothing. |
| 00:51.09 | _|Nix|_ | Very strange. |
| 00:51.14 | dasurfrdude | If you ask google a question, it replies with a URL :D |
| 00:51.16 | rubiks | :) |
| 00:51.25 | toresbe | dasurfrdude: not the right one |
| 00:51.31 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: um, we shouldn't be in bora |
| 00:51.36 | dasurfrdude | It's all about selection |
| 00:51.38 | timelyx | we're supposed to be in extras or something |
| 00:52.03 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: OK, but this makes no sense. The same repo gives different results for N770 vs. N800? |
| 00:52.09 | zerojay | toresbe: I like to help people. I do. I do it often. I don't help people that want to have their hand held through everything and that act like I owe them the help. |
| 00:52.14 | timelyx | there's no such thing as n770 |
| 00:52.16 | rubiks | unofficial os2008 stable? |
| 00:52.25 | zerojay | toresbe: It's not my fault you missed the URL repeatedly. |
| 00:52.34 | _|Nix|_ | Whatever ... |
| 00:52.40 | toresbe | You _never pasted a URL which answered my question_ |
| 00:53.06 | dasurfrdude | OK! I posted the URL, everyone is fine now. MOVE ON |
| 00:53.22 | toresbe | you pasted a URL to someone else 10 minutes before I asked my question, and after repeatedly saying "you don't want it", you then say "i've already answered" and refused to elaborate |
| 00:53.55 | zerojay | toresbe: So go ahead and continue to complain and whine and whatever you choose to do. I told you that I had given the URL already and you made a lazy search through the scrollback. I'm over it and I'm going to go and have a nice dinner. Enjoy. |
| 00:54.19 | toresbe | technically you hadn't given a URL actually, it didn't have the http:// prefix :P |
| 00:54.34 | timelyx | you're not going to win points here |
| 00:54.45 | timelyx | if you can't find it w/ google, you aren't its intended audience |
| 00:54.52 | timelyx | to the extent such a creature exists |
| 00:54.54 | dasurfrdude | LOL |
| 00:54.57 | timelyx | as it isn't intended at all |
| 00:55.28 | toresbe | FFS, I write microcode for CPUs, and I repair problems with a soldering iron. I kinda consider myself to be a competent person. |
| 00:55.40 | timelyx | google disagrees :) |
| 00:55.46 | kaltsi | _|Nix|_: I think the architecture for 770 is arm and for n800 it's armel.. |
| 00:55.49 | timelyx | sorry, it's 3am on what was a saturday |
| 00:55.52 | toresbe | I googled for "chinook n800" and found nothing |
| 00:55.54 | _|Nix|_ | kaltsi: No. |
| 00:55.57 | timelyx | kaltsi: no |
| 00:56.00 | kaltsi | oh |
| 00:56.04 | timelyx | for 2005 it was arm, for 2006/2007 it's armel |
| 00:56.10 | kaltsi | ok :) |
| 00:56.27 | _|Nix|_ | This is weird. After adding all the extras repos, now I get "http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages" |
| 00:56.27 | timelyx | and "architecture" is a bit of a strange word |
| 00:56.39 | _|Nix|_ | But, WTF?! I had that in there before adding all the extras repos. |
| 00:56.41 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: apt is "special"? |
| 00:56.55 | _|Nix|_ | Don't get me started. |
| 00:57.02 | dasurfrdude | Hey, i heard earlier someone say something about KDE on N800. Can anyone just gimme a yes or no on this? |
| 00:57.11 | kaltsi | architecture as in the architecture line in debian control file |
| 00:57.13 | toresbe | dasurfrdude: google |
| 00:57.13 | _Monkey | google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 00:57.38 | _|Nix|_ | My fault though ... should've looked on http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 |
| 00:57.41 | toresbe | dasurfrdude: because if you can't find that out without google, you're an idiot |
| 00:57.49 | toresbe | and you shouldn't be using a Linux device. |
| 00:58.04 | timelyx | _|nix|_ according to http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ you should be able to read http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/gregale/install/microb-browser.install |
| 00:58.10 | dasurfrdude | Lol. Shut up dude. I found it on ITT. First result. Suck it up. |
| 00:58.22 | *** part/#maemo bvsciguy (n=benjamin@71-15-95-249.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) |
| 00:58.37 | timelyx | dasurfrdude: there are people who come into this channel talking about it |
| 00:58.46 | timelyx | you can read/search the log for the people |
| 00:58.52 | timelyx | personally, i consider it a waste of time |
| 00:59.04 | timelyx | not because i have any love for hildon/gnome/gtk (i don't) |
| 00:59.45 | dasurfrdude | I saw some pics. Resolution is kinda off, but suprisingly well. |
| 00:59.47 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: ooh, the ui looks familiar :) |
| 00:59.51 | dasurfrdude | I loathehildon |
| 00:59.57 | _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... I'm'na have to start a whole new project for pidgin-otr ... I wanna separate it from Pidgin, so that, with Pidgin, I can get away from using maemo-hackers. |
| 01:00.01 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: please file a bug about that site misspelling 770 :) |
| 01:00.22 | _|Nix|_ | What? Where? |
| 01:00.36 | timelyx | last url you listed, in the welcome paragraph |
| 01:00.54 | _|Nix|_ | Mispeled? I don't see it. |
| 01:01.01 | timelyx | (also fails to use an "and" in the os list, odd given that it includes it in the product list) |
| 01:01.27 | _|Nix|_ | Too bad it's not a wiki. |
| 01:01.36 | timelyx | Here you will find a collection of repositories for the Nokia N810, N800 and *N770* Internet Tablets running maemo IT OS 2008, 2007, ** 2006. |
| 01:01.44 | timelyx | **s added ... |
| 01:01.59 | _|Nix|_ | And that's mispeled, how? |
| 01:02.08 | timelyx | 'n' doesn't belong |
| 01:02.11 | timelyx | it's Nokia 770 |
| 01:02.13 | toresbe | ooooh. |
| 01:02.16 | timelyx | it isn't n series |
| 01:02.17 | toresbe | OS2008 is *hawt* |
| 01:02.31 | timelyx | #define hawt buggy |
| 01:02.32 | _|Nix|_ | Whatever. |
| 01:03.19 | rubiks | later hackers |
| 01:05.18 | toresbe | whoa, holy shit |
| 01:05.35 | toresbe | my WLAN finder just found the WLAN of a friend of mine who lives four blocks from ehre |
| 01:06.09 | doc|home | hehe, yeah, the wifi on these things rock |
| 01:06.17 | timelyx | yeah, *finding* is good |
| 01:06.24 | timelyx | connecting is a slightly different story |
| 01:06.28 | toresbe | heh |
| 01:06.32 | doc|home | I've never had any problems |
| 01:06.33 | toresbe | still, that's fscking impressive, man |
| 01:06.52 | toresbe | this is downtown Oslo |
| 01:06.57 | toresbe | and through several buildings |
| 01:07.23 | toresbe | what? they switched to microB? :( |
| 01:07.27 | toresbe | Where's my Operaaa! |
| 01:07.37 | timelyx | it's dead jim |
| 01:08.33 | timelyx | if you want opera, you're free to pay opera software asa whatever they ask for it :) |
| 01:08.36 | lopz | re |
| 01:08.48 | timelyx | you're probably local to them :) |
| 01:10.33 | doc|home | gecko's kinda slow in general |
| 01:11.27 | timelyx | care to be less vague? |
| 01:12.01 | timelyx | if you mean slow to launch |
| 01:12.05 | toresbe | timelyx: yep, I've worked for them too, indirectly :) |
| 01:12.15 | doc|home | the gecko engine in comparison to opera, if you use epiphany vs opera, opera renders the pages much more quickly |
| 01:12.18 | timelyx | i can suggest that you want a less sucky ld toolchain |
| 01:12.33 | timelyx | doc: sorry, that's not really less vague |
| 01:12.50 | timelyx | i mean, at least you're talking about pages and not launch time |
| 01:12.50 | toresbe | "rendering" is perfectly fine timelyx |
| 01:12.52 | doc|home | well, I can't be more specific than that :) |
| 01:13.00 | doc|home | I haven't profiled both of them or anything :) |
| 01:13.08 | timelyx | doc: leave the profiling to me |
| 01:13.12 | timelyx | just provide specific pages |
| 01:13.18 | timelyx | preferably dead |
| 01:13.19 | toresbe | any large HTML page |
| 01:14.03 | timelyx | toresbe: do you want me to find a large page where opera sucks? |
| 01:14.03 | timelyx | although, probably not at 3am |
| 01:14.07 | doc|home | timelyx: engadget.com |
| 01:14.14 | toresbe | Opera is faster at damn near everything, while having a smaller binary size, more features, and better standards compliance. |
| 01:14.16 | timelyx | that's a site. pick a page |
| 01:14.28 | doc|home | the index page |
| 01:14.29 | timelyx | (preferably static) |
| 01:14.36 | timelyx | index pages tend to change too often |
| 01:14.44 | timelyx | and i don't really feel like skipping sleep cycles |
| 01:14.51 | timelyx | sleep is apparently of some value/important |
| 01:14.54 | timelyx | s/t$/ce/ |
| 01:15.04 | toresbe | for every page you find that Opera renders slower, I'm more than happy to show you ten that Gecko will do slower. |
| 01:15.05 | doc|home | ok, night |
| 01:15.34 | timelyx | toresbe: anyway, if you can beat gecko's price w/ opera, someone might listen |
| 01:15.42 | timelyx | unfortunately atm, i think that price is an obstacle |
| 01:16.09 | doc|home | even if it was free, and open source, it'd still be faster :/ |
| 01:16.17 | doc|home | in my usage ecperience |
| 01:16.20 | doc|home | *experience |
| 01:16.39 | timelyx | you're saying being free or open source could make a product slower? |
| 01:16.42 | doc|home | chuckle all you like, few people would argue that |
| 01:16.44 | timelyx | that's not very logical |
| 01:17.05 | doc|home | no, I'm saying your price angle doesn't really change it being slower, which is the point we're trying to make |
| 01:17.20 | timelyx | i'm not really arguing speed |
| 01:17.23 | timelyx | i have two points: |
| 01:17.30 | timelyx | 1. if you aren't complaining about a specific *page* |
| 01:17.35 | timelyx | i can't do anything |
| 01:17.37 | timelyx | and you're being annoying |
| 01:17.47 | timelyx | 2. the reason gecko was chosen is probably not speed |
| 01:17.55 | doc|home | sorry for pointing out a flaw, my bad |
| 01:18.03 | timelyx | you weren't pointing out a flaw |
| 01:18.06 | timelyx | you were being annoying |
| 01:18.31 | doc|home | I'm not being "annoying", you may take it as such |
| 01:18.36 | timelyx | pointing out a flaw is saying that "on http://a/x/a.html, the page loads 10x slower because of the foo.css file " |
| 01:18.42 | timelyx | you're not discussing |
| 01:18.44 | timelyx | you're being annoying |
| 01:18.45 | doc|home | ok, look, forget it |
| 01:19.05 | timelyx | file a bug. include a real static url |
| 01:19.11 | timelyx | preferably attach a zip file of the page |
| 01:19.29 | doc|home | sure, I'll do that, to which, mozilla.org? |
| 01:19.35 | timelyx | preferably, yes |
| 01:19.43 | timelyx | otherwise you'll spend too much time dealing w/ me |
| 01:19.50 | timelyx | which really isn't a good use of anyone's time |
| 01:20.30 | timelyx | probably read the top 4 items on http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla%20performance&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 too |
| 01:21.37 | timelyx | not sure which settings you mean |
| 01:21.47 | timelyx | but generally speaking the people picking settings were stabbing in the dark |
| 01:21.54 | doc|home | sorry, thought you had linked me to a tweaks page |
| 01:21.55 | timelyx | the results are pretty bad |
| 01:22.09 | timelyx | which one? |
| 01:22.15 | timelyx | wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Home_Page |
| 01:22.25 | timelyx | www.mozilla.org/quality/help/performance.html |
| 01:22.31 | timelyx | www.mozilla.org/performance/tools.html |
| 01:22.36 | timelyx | www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=1123 |
| 01:22.51 | timelyx | none of those /sounded/ like tweak pages to me, although i didn't read them thoroughly |
| 01:23.07 | doc|home | and that would be why I said "sorry" |
| 01:23.30 | timelyx | still curious which page you got |
| 01:23.37 | timelyx | i'm moderately interested in reading it |
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| 01:27.33 | GreySim | Does anyone know how to hide an application from the app menu in OS2007? I tried adding "NoDisplay=true" to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon but that seems to get ignored. |
| 01:28.44 | _|Nix|_ | OOooh! Pidgin 2.3.0 is out ... *crack knuckles* |
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| 01:36.05 | GreySim | I guess not. I guess I'll just have to suck it up as yet another example of Hildon *almost* following existing standards but deviating just enough to be frustrating. :\ |
| 01:36.18 | timelyx | GreySim: file a bug? |
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| 01:38.00 | K`zan | Notice that kubuntu assumes a dhcp connection during install... |
| 01:38.38 | K`zan | Been scanning the apt mirror for some time now at 82% into the install, sigh... |
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| 01:41.14 | GreySim | timelyx: I suppose I should, and will later. But in the meantime I need to finish moving the .desktop files of applications I don't use to .desktop.fake files, and hope there are no unseen repercussions. |
| 01:43.16 | K`zan | Never mind, it is that damn wireless router that gives itself out as the gateway, sigh. |
| 01:43.24 | K`zan | Fixed that |
| 01:46.46 | _|Nix|_ | Oh, that's brilliant ... /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnss3.so ... |
| 01:48.08 | timelyx | what's wrong? |
| 01:48.23 | _|Nix|_ | The libs are not in /usr/lib |
| 01:48.35 | timelyx | they're not properly versioned |
| 01:48.36 | _|Nix|_ | Pidgin's not picking up nss. |
| 01:48.46 | timelyx | and don't belong in /usr/lib |
| 01:48.51 | timelyx | if you want to use them, get a contract from us |
| 01:48.59 | timelyx | otherwise they may change randomly |
| 01:49.10 | timelyx | (that's the way it works in real platforms, like solaris) |
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| 01:49.28 | _|Nix|_ | They don't belong in /usr/lib? O_o |
| 01:49.58 | timelyx | yeah, polluting /usr/lib (should) require[s] a versioning story |
| 01:50.01 | _|Nix|_ | Well, OKOK, there's a nss.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig |
| 01:50.16 | _|Nix|_ | So, I just gotta figure it out, I guess ... |
| 01:50.31 | Robot101 | _|Nix|_: don't ptlo/resiak's packages fix that? |
| 01:50.37 | _|Nix|_ | Aaaaah, that's what resiak was talking about ... |
| 01:50.52 | _|Nix|_ | Yes, yes ... he gave me his configure.ac |
| 01:51.02 | timelyx | Robot101: eh, what's he doing? |
| 01:51.05 | _|Nix|_ | He said he'd push it to i.p.p ... |
| 01:51.13 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: telepathy-haze |
| 01:51.37 | _|Nix|_ | Meanwhile, I'll push it to omgp.p ... |
| 01:51.38 | timelyx | he's just providing a configure.* file? |
| 01:51.50 | Robot101 | timelyx: no, a patch to pidgin's configure.ac |
| 01:51.58 | timelyx | ok |
| 01:52.05 | timelyx | so long as he isn't changing the system path :) |
| 01:52.17 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: basically, if someone wants to install minimo |
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| 01:52.22 | timelyx | and it has a different version of libnss |
| 01:52.25 | Robot101 | no, we know how to package things :) |
| 01:52.36 | ptlo | 'evening |
| 01:52.38 | timelyx | bad things would happen if either of them are stupid enough to live in /usr/lib |
| 01:52.51 | timelyx | as such, they don't belong there |
| 01:53.42 | timelyx | Robot101: sorry, i don't trust packagers :) |
| 01:53.51 | timelyx | (as it happens, the original packaging of microb wasn't correct) |
| 01:54.02 | timelyx | so i'm speaking from experience :) |
| 01:54.03 | Robot101 | timelyx: we're not packagers, we're developers. :) |
| 01:54.21 | timelyx | i don't trust those either, the packaging i believe was done by devs :) |
| 01:54.26 | Robot101 | although about half of the company are also debian developers |
| 01:54.29 | timelyx | and they're my coworkers :) |
| 01:54.33 | Robot101 | so many of us are both |
| 01:55.17 | timelyx | anyway, sounds like you aren't hurting too many things, so i'll go nap or something |
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| 01:58.32 | _|Nix|_ | Robot101: Interestingly, resiak's patch merely checks for microb-engine-nss.pc in addition to nss.pc, however, there is a symbolic link called nss.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig that points to microb-engine-nss.pc ... |
| 01:59.45 | Bodhammer | hi all - quick question. I want to port a command line application to Chinook. I have the dev environment running as per the tutoriall |
| 01:59.49 | Bodhammer | here http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.htm |
| 02:00.14 | Bodhammer | Should I start with GNU sources or a Debian file? |
| 02:00.47 | Bodhammer | debian package I mean |
| 02:03.33 | timelyx | debian is arguably slightly easier |
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| 02:11.13 | Bodhammer | do I need to look for only ARM ports? |
| 02:11.47 | Bodhammer | BTW - is this the right place for newbie questions? I do not have a N8xx yes, but seriously condsidering a N810 |
| 02:14.54 | [pablo] | Bodhammer: i'm sure people will be more than willing to answer your questions, i'm a newb too, just got mine and have been receive pretty well =) |
| 02:17.44 | _|Nix|_ | What's the command line to make /etc/ld-2.3.6.so list dependencies for a .so like ldd does? |
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| 02:32.49 | [pablo] | i don't suppose anyone has ever heard of a bluetooth hsdpa modem that is dedicated and not a phone? |
| 02:41.53 | GNUton | night! |
| 02:41.54 | _Monkey | night is so feminine... |
| 02:50.51 | MoRpHeUz | _Monkey: forget night |
| 02:50.51 | _Monkey | MoRpHeUz: I forgot night |
| 02:52.49 | catfarm | knite |
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| 03:20.18 | corevette | so kde 3 works on nokia internet tablets, has anyone tried kde 4? |
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| 04:11.36 | l7_ | so, did anyone score some good internet tablet gear deals on black friday? |
| 04:11.52 | l7_ | the igo stowaway was 30 bucks on amazon |
| 04:12.25 | l7_ | i'm wondering if there is a nicely discounted gps reciever or sd card out there though |
| 04:16.38 | l7_ | gps? |
| 04:18.42 | [pablo] | fry's has a 2gig microsd for $8 |
| 04:18.54 | l7_ | ah nice |
| 04:19.07 | [pablo] | i wish i woulda seen that before I spent $30 on mine heh |
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| 04:19.19 | l7_ | hrm that would be $16 for 4gigs |
| 04:19.25 | l7_ | or $32 for 8gigs |
| 04:19.30 | l7_ | i guess it's a nice deal |
| 04:19.36 | [pablo] | in seperate cards eyeah |
| 04:19.44 | [pablo] | the 8gig microSDHC cards should be coming out soon |
| 04:19.49 | l7_ | yeah that's kinda tough |
| 04:20.01 | [pablo] | definitely getting one of those once they come out |
| 04:20.11 | l7_ | ah you're running the n810 |
| 04:20.28 | [pablo] | that's one thing I don't get about the n810, if they didn't have room for a full SD why not just go with microSD |
| 04:20.31 | [pablo] | yeah |
| 04:20.32 | l7_ | yeah, i dunno if it's worth it to buy small cards for my n800 |
| 04:20.43 | [pablo] | 3 days now |
| 04:20.49 | l7_ | there is a micro to mini adaptor |
| 04:21.09 | [pablo] | yeah i know, i got one, and i'm pretty sure 80% of 810 users will |
| 04:21.17 | [pablo] | the other 20% wont know it's an option heh |
| 04:21.25 | [pablo] | micro has a higher capacity than mini |
| 04:21.44 | [pablo] | and i dont think they are going to go any higher on mini, because they can just do it with micro |
| 04:22.14 | l7_ | ah |
| 04:22.20 | l7_ | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=142629 |
| 04:22.54 | l7_ | yeah, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to develop mini |
| 04:23.15 | [pablo] | yeah, i got this little sandisk kit that came with a full sd and a minisd adapter |
| 04:23.15 | l7_ | any idea if the quality of the adaptor matters? |
| 04:23.36 | l7_ | nokia probably should have just given the n810 a microsd |
| 04:23.56 | [pablo] | that's what I think |
| 04:23.57 | l7_ | i can't understand why they didn't, except as a last minute mistake |
| 04:24.13 | [pablo] | i also think nokia should make a bluetooth HSDPA modem for thier tablets |
| 04:24.22 | l7_ | unless they really really want to sell their 16gb nokia branded minisds :) |
| 04:24.45 | [pablo] | if those existed they would be selling tons of them anyways =P |
| 04:24.55 | l7_ | heh |
| 04:25.15 | [pablo] | if you look at the n810 accessories page on nokias site, it lists microsd cards and not mini lol |
| 04:25.20 | l7_ | doesn't anyone else have HSDPA modems? |
| 04:25.37 | [pablo] | none that will work on a tablet, short of actual phones |
| 04:25.39 | l7_ | i wonder where you can get dataplans for those anyhow |
| 04:25.57 | [pablo] | it would be the same as a cellular card for your laptop |
| 04:26.16 | [pablo] | just connect via bluetooth instead of pcmcia/express/usb |
| 04:27.01 | l7_ | hrm, never had a cellular card |
| 04:27.04 | l7_ | it is a cool idea though |
| 04:27.45 | l7_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA#Adoption |
| 04:27.46 | l7_ | So far, 171 device models from 47 suppliers have been launched, comprising: 53 handsets, 35 notebooks, 30 datacards, 19 wireless routers, 15 modems, 11 embedded module, 2 wireless modules, 1 wireless residential gateway, 1 media player, 1 camera, 1 GPS handset, 1 convergence platform & 1 baseband processor. For details, see gsmworld.com/HSPA. |
| 04:27.56 | |R | full SDHC would have been good with 32GB card around the corner next year... |
| 04:27.59 | [pablo] | yup, cellular speeds don't yet exceed EDR bluetooth speeds, so it wouldn't be a compromise at all, it could replace laptop cards |
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| 04:28.35 | l7_ | i wonder if anyone out there is trying to hack one together |
| 04:28.43 | [pablo] | yeah, from what I understand though, they didn't go with full sd because of size issues |
| 04:30.32 | pupnik | so [pablo] how bout you disassemble your N810 and upload pics? ;) |
| 04:31.16 | [pablo] | you sir, are going to burn in hell for that LOL |
| 04:31.27 | [pablo] | i think you hurt it's feelings |
| 04:31.37 | pupnik | :) |
| 04:31.49 | l7_ | lol |
| 04:32.09 | pupnik | i'm curious whether that 2GB internal is surface mount on a board, or just some kind of card wedged in-to a corner |
| 04:32.30 | [pablo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.33 | [pablo] | i looked too |
| 04:32.34 | [pablo] | heh |
| 04:32.40 | l7_ | there's one sure way to find out... |
| 04:32.47 | l7_ | well two sure ways i guess |
| 04:33.14 | [pablo] | it's used up almost entirely with map data |
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| 04:33.41 | [pablo] | hopefully once maemo mapper gets to a working condition on the 810, i can remove all that crap and have 2 free gigs of storage =) |
| 04:37.06 | pupnik | i'm confused - whats the diff between maemo mapper and built-in map application |
| 04:37.53 | derf | They are not in any way related? |
| 04:38.34 | pupnik | the default is gpsdrive? |
| 04:42.10 | l7_ | everyone seems to say that maemo mapper is the best? |
| 04:42.46 | pupnik | seems so, but i want a map application that can cache a bunch of maps offline |
| 04:43.47 | ThomasM | Adding cache routines to a downloader is generally pretty trivial, especially if there's a single point of download entry (they all get queued through a specific method or class). |
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| 04:46.13 | l7_ | hrm, does anyone know which gps model thoughtfix has here? |
| 04:46.15 | l7_ | http://tabletblog.com/2006/01/gps-arrived.html |
| 04:46.30 | ThomasM | pupnik: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ Looks to handle both having stored files and insta-downloading. |
| 04:46.40 | pupnik | yaay ty |
| 04:47.09 | l7_ | it looks like an iblue 737, but maybe an older one |
| 04:47.38 | ThomasM | pupnik: It caches anything it downloads, or you could set something up to download all the maps you wanted in an area (would require a bit of math). |
| 04:48.09 | derf | No it wouldn't. |
| 04:48.15 | derf | There's a "download area" tab. |
| 04:48.28 | ThomasM | derf: Heh. A lot simpler than writing it from scratch. |
| 04:48.54 | ThomasM | I wrote something similar a while back to convert images into tiles that could be used in Google Maps overlays. The math's not non-trivial, but there is some good example code. You could take that to get the tile coordinates, and then set up a download queue, as a separate PC application. |
| 04:51.47 | fysa | I think Google broke it |
| 04:51.48 | fysa | ? |
| 04:51.52 | fysa | was using something like that last year. |
| 04:57.06 | ThomasM | To download a bunch of maps? You can still do it. You'd want to set your program up to take a while to execute if you're retrieving a huge set of tiles, and throw in extra, random waiting. No sense hammering their servers, especially where you should know you would need that in advance. |
| 04:57.31 | ThomasM | There are no sudden "I need all of North Carolina from 8 to 17 zoom" decisions. :) |
| 05:00.09 | K`zan | Jeez, ubuntu is a frigging MESS. |
| 05:01.04 | l7_ | so who did you guys vote for in the n810 contest? |
| 05:02.20 | K`zan | Blew network setup totally and I seem to have separate screen resolutions for boot, kdm and user. |
| 05:02.57 | K`zan | Back to deb4, I'm tired of beating on it. |
| 05:03.48 | pupnik | try sidux |
| 05:04.57 | l7_ | pupnik: the n810 seems to use this: http://www.wayfinder.com/internettablet |
| 05:05.14 | l7_ | i think the 770 gps kit has the same thing |
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| 05:55.57 | l7 | coolest idea since the powerglove -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99544 |
| 05:56.22 | [pablo] | tha's a lofty statement |
| 05:56.29 | [pablo] | the power glove was siiiiick |
| 05:56.44 | |R | :D |
| 05:57.01 | |R | a windows watch? |
| 05:58.07 | l7 | heh |
| 05:58.15 | l7 | |R: an n800 glove! |
| 05:58.28 | l7 | "I love the Power Glove...it's so bad!" |
| 05:59.50 | pupnik_ | tech is not where i'd hoped it would be by 2005 |
| 06:00.11 | |R | indeed... |
| 06:01.32 | [pablo] | i don't think it's where anyone thought it would be in 2005 =P |
| 06:03.56 | l7 | what do you mean? |
| 06:04.00 | l7 | no flying cars yet? |
| 06:05.02 | |R | no aluminium clothes either.. :( |
| 06:06.13 | [pablo] | ask and ye shall receive ... http://www.medievalware.com/Riveted-Aluminum-Mail-Shirt-p/300138rm.htm |
| 06:06.34 | |R | haha |
| 06:06.54 | [pablo] | pimp your self out in the style of the future |R!!! |
| 06:07.16 | |R | the future of the 11th century! |
| 06:07.30 | |R | be in the future, 10 century late :D |
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| 06:23.19 | |R | any idea what could be used as a temper proof case with a lock that can be chained to something for the n8x0 ? |
| 06:23.43 | |R | (i'm thinking of something to lock the n8x0 to a city light or some similar situation) |
| 06:24.07 | |R | So it can be used as temporary mesh relay boxes... |
| 06:24.44 | [pablo] | seems kind of expensive for relay boxes ... |
| 06:24.57 | [pablo] | plus no easy way to throw in an external antenna |
| 06:25.07 | |R | yeah i know... could be something else i guess... |
| 06:25.23 | |R | just trying to figure out a lockable, easily transportable, temper proof case... |
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| 06:25.42 | |R | (well not blow torch proof, but good enough to survive 12h in urban areas ;) |
| 06:27.02 | [pablo] | hmmm |
| 06:27.03 | |R | let's say, create a mesh route along a manifestation's path |
| 06:27.12 | |R | so people can stream live to the net video/picture feed ;) |
| 06:27.16 | [pablo] | cheap firesafe's from wal-mart? |
| 06:27.32 | |R | Don't these things weight a ton ? |
| 06:27.46 | |R | i could just go with huge safes yeah but uhm... |
| 06:28.01 | |R | if i can't fit 4-6 in a backpack, it's kind of useless :) |
| 06:28.27 | [pablo] | oh |
| 06:28.30 | [pablo] | no truck? heh |
| 06:28.36 | |R | hehe no :) |
| 06:28.50 | |R | (pretty theoretical problem in my head actually...) |
| 06:29.07 | |R | Just trying to create that crazy geek / cypherpunk utopia ;) |
| 06:29.36 | |R | portable open devices + mesh + i2p + credential/openID based social net + whatever... |
| 06:29.38 | [pablo] | =) |
| 06:30.03 | |R | real p2p for the people :P |
| 06:31.41 | zoran | cypherpunk was so goo idea that it must die |
| 06:31.44 | zoran | *good |
| 06:31.48 | |R | haha :) |
| 06:32.10 | zoran | lasts a day to send mail, but who cares |
| 06:32.27 | oil | hi, would you be able to share your sources.list for n800/os2007 ? |
| 06:32.32 | zoran | I think all those servers has gone |
| 06:32.33 | |R | you're talking about a specific implementation? |
| 06:32.49 | zoran | |R, me? |
| 06:32.59 | |R | yes? :) |
| 06:33.35 | zoran | hm, I cannot get account anymore. do you know any working box? |
| 06:35.53 | zoran | no nym-s or I can't find them |
| 06:36.25 | |R | zoran : but you mean... nyms for ...? |
| 06:36.49 | |R | when i said cyherpunk you seemed to have equated that with a software or product... i was just talking about the concept behind the movement :) |
| 06:36.50 | zoran | this days it is not possible to move lines all over, but the idea is good |
| 06:37.07 | zoran | |R, yes, we are talking about the same thing |
| 06:37.25 | |R | have you tried I2P ? |
| 06:37.34 | |R | i haven't yet... but it looks very promising |
| 06:37.43 | zoran | tor is nice idea |
| 06:37.45 | |R | onion routing at the IP layer :) |
| 06:37.58 | |R | I2P is like TOR on drugs |
| 06:38.17 | |R | well, from what i understand ;) |
| 06:38.25 | zoran | tor is hatred from many isp-s etc |
| 06:40.10 | zoran | now I see how much I forgot about this topic! |
| 06:40.26 | zoran | mixminion is new term for me |
| 06:40.33 | |R | hehe :) |
| 06:40.52 | zoran | and no more nym ar alike |
| 06:44.34 | lopz | bye |
| 06:44.45 | zoran | |R, interesting reading |
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| 06:48.11 | zoran | btw, most anonymous remailers used pgp only some time ago; gnupg now, I hope |
| 06:48.58 | |R | hehe haven't heard much about them since anon.penet.fi ;) |
| 06:49.38 | zoran | ah, dead in 13th sentury |
| 06:49.43 | zoran | *centiry |
| 06:49.46 | |R | hehe yeah |
| 06:49.50 | zoran | *century |
| 06:50.09 | zoran | I had an account and made files by the hand |
| 06:50.38 | zoran | it was the pleasure and cannot imagine app doing this |
| 06:51.20 | pupnik_ | |R: cool re mesh |
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| 06:53.19 | |R | pupnik_ : i talked to the OLSR guys and one guy from the company that paid to get an IP autoconfig plugin coded should release the code within a week |
| 06:53.41 | |R | so with that we can get mobile adhoc mesh on / off automagically :] |
| 06:53.49 | |R | (at least i hope ;) |
| 06:54.23 | pupnik | wow |
| 06:54.36 | |R | it's a good thing i asked |
| 06:54.58 | |R | he said nobody had asked for that code until now... go figure, i would have thought that this would be the most requested feature |
| 06:55.29 | |R | maybe it's still way to obscure or something... |
| 06:56.47 | pupnik | maybe you need |
| 06:56.52 | pupnik | a high laptop density |
| 06:57.20 | pupnik | what is the range between mesh nodes? |
| 06:57.24 | K`zan | Night all |
| 06:57.33 | hugol1 | night? I just woke up |
| 06:57.35 | hugol1 | ;) |
| 06:57.37 | |R | i still have no clues |
| 06:57.51 | |R | i intend to learn at the same time i compile those softwares... |
| 06:58.17 | |R | hehe 2 am here :) |
| 06:58.21 | hugol1 | |R: if I understand you, what you are trying to do is some kind of routing through peoples wifi? |
| 06:59.08 | |R | hugol1 : yep |
| 07:00.08 | hugol1 | that be cool, but do you think is doable besides trying to send an email to my neighbour? I mean what range do you think it can achieve in real live? |
| 07:00.21 | |R | first thing first, p2p at OSI layer 1... than, you can work everywhere off net, or with net gateways but rellies less on carriers in emergency and as a ballance to their monopolistic tendancies ;) |
| 07:00.43 | |R | hugol1 : range between nodes or overall length of multi-hop mesh networks? |
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| 07:01.30 | |R | i know a guy in australia played with the OLPC mesh and got a link from 2km away from multi-hop i guess (it didn't say in the video) |
| 07:02.15 | hugol1 | |R: overall lenght |
| 07:02.42 | hugol1 | the best aplication I can see with this is calling your friends for free if they live near |
| 07:03.14 | |R | basically it's going to be 802.11b/g range multiplied by the number of people in a straight line |
| 07:03.40 | |R | hehe yes that would be good, or walking in the forest with a group of friend and geotagging each other on a map over a mesh |
| 07:04.07 | |R | distributed music plugins? |
| 07:04.09 | |R | whatever! |
| 07:04.10 | |R | haha ;) |
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| 07:05.13 | |R | I'd really like to push for more mesh use day to day to get away from carriers... |
| 07:05.24 | |R | and than for I2P over that for a pseudonymous layer... |
| 07:05.47 | |R | than we can go back to the net as it was 15 years ago... |
| 07:06.51 | hugol1 | |R: geotagging with wifi works with a generous error range |
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| 07:07.04 | |R | i was wondering how we could define trust (ecash/credentials?) to be able to do something like eBay but in a p2p way |
| 07:07.27 | |R | hugol1 : but i mean, with GPS, not triangulation :) |
| 07:07.40 | hugol1 | oh, I see |
| 07:07.59 | hugol1 | |R: actually with the wimax version, this you are talking about could be quite useful |
| 07:08.28 | |R | yeah that too, as long as you securely transmit it and only to people you decide... |
| 07:10.01 | hugol1 | by the way, is there any web with a how to on how to get nfs on the n800 automatically, I have installed the packages, but everytime I reboot I have to insmod and then mount |
| 07:10.29 | |R | i know there is Wizard Mounter... |
| 07:10.34 | |R | but i haven't tried it after installing it... |
| 07:10.41 | hugol1 | |R: it didnt worked for me |
| 07:10.44 | |R | (if that can be of any help, i don't know) |
| 07:10.45 | |R | hehe ok |
| 07:10.58 | hugol1 | the installation of the deb file failed |
| 07:11.01 | [pablo] | has anyone here gotten mplayer working on OS2008? |
| 07:12.20 | zoran | |R, there will be a lot of no-no from officials |
| 07:12.28 | [pablo] | the media that comes with os2008 has been choking on everything I have thrown at it |
| 07:12.58 | [pablo] | media player* |
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| 07:15.10 | zoran | |R dreams of n800 having it's own will |
| 07:15.48 | |R | haha |
| 07:16.12 | zoran | not a big issue |
| 07:16.18 | zoran | possible now |
| 07:16.29 | |R | actually, i dream of pushing the open nature of technology to its limit |
| 07:16.45 | zoran | but why if n800 has sudo as master manager |
| 07:16.56 | |R | making even the network protocol behave like a human language ... that like real life can carry stuff efficiently in different way depending on your technical culture |
| 07:17.21 | zoran | teke a look at comp bios-es |
| 07:17.34 | zoran | they all come more win friendly |
| 07:17.37 | pupnik | bluetooth is good for sharing info |
| 07:17.49 | pupnik | hmm |
| 07:18.22 | |R | i wrote a couple of articles way back on guerillartivism.net on that subject... |
| 07:18.26 | zoran | there is new proposition protocom to replace wimax |
| 07:18.41 | |R | wimax is going to be just ISP driven i think... |
| 07:18.43 | zoran | just like |R dreams |
| 07:19.09 | zoran | driven by who wants it, probably |
| 07:19.29 | zoran | and a lot of people do not want |
| 07:19.36 | zoran | almost none |
| 07:19.59 | |R | well, if it's the same price/speed as cable but without a cable... i'd take it i guess |
| 07:20.04 | |R | but it's still not "it" |
| 07:20.04 | |R | hehe |
| 07:20.11 | |R | (but i would ditch my cell phone too) |
| 07:20.20 | |R | peer with my asterisk :) |
| 07:20.40 | zoran | better bandwidth and all gonna loveit |
| 07:21.21 | |R | yeah, people are suckers for gizmos before freedom ;) |
| 07:21.37 | |R | and thus america will die... |
| 07:21.43 | zoran | freedom vs money and leasure time |
| 07:22.49 | zoran | people want one (MS) button with "on/off" on it |
| 07:23.14 | pupnik | television |
| 07:23.21 | |R | actually it's more like, M$ wants to have ON/OFF on people's brain |
| 07:23.22 | zoran | or even w/o button, it shoule itself find when to be on |
| 07:23.42 | zoran | |R, it did |
| 07:24.05 | zoran | good friend of mine dislikes linux even he has so many probs with his win box |
| 07:24.25 | zoran | better nothing than linux |
| 07:25.13 | zoran | someone saw movie "water machine" ? |
| 07:25.28 | zoran | about folk making machine to work on water |
| 07:25.42 | pupnik | ? |
| 07:25.43 | |R | any good? |
| 07:25.54 | zoran | and industry measures to hide and destroy whole thing |
| 07:26.17 | zoran | fine movie, if you like the genre |
| 07:32.35 | |R | ok, going to bed, good night :) |
| 07:32.48 | pupnik | cheers |
| 07:33.21 | [pablo] | does anyone know of a repository that has the libmad0 package? |
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| 07:43.08 | cookie | hello guys |
| 07:43.29 | pupnik | i think this video finally snapped my brain |
| 07:43.31 | pupnik | hi |
| 07:43.32 | _Monkey | hey, pupnik |
| 07:43.35 | pupnik | sorry [pablo] |
| 07:43.36 | cookie | On a nokia 770, is it possible to install OS2007 or OS 2008 |
| 07:43.37 | cookie | ? |
| 07:44.26 | pupnik | 2007HE yes |
| 07:44.41 | cookie | what is the Hacker Edition |
| 07:44.41 | _Monkey | i heard the Hacker Edition was my friend. |
| 07:44.49 | cookie | what is the difference |
| 07:44.50 | cookie | ? |
| 07:45.09 | pupnik | OS2007 is for N800 2007HE is for 770 |
| 07:45.35 | cookie | yeah, but is there any difference? except this |
| 07:45.35 | cookie | ? |
| 07:45.40 | [pablo] | pupnik: sorry for? |
| 07:45.46 | pupnik | dunno... try gronmayer |
| 07:47.11 | cookie | what does flashing mean? |
| 07:47.19 | cookie | upgrade the version of the os? |
| 07:51.01 | pupnik | yes |
| 07:51.19 | pupnik | or more precisely, to reinstall an image of an OS |
| 07:51.29 | pupnik | s/reinstall/install/ |
| 07:54.26 | pupnik | cookie: cookie 2007HE will be able to run most apps compiled for the N800 / OS2007 |
| 07:55.09 | cookie | oooh |
| 07:55.30 | cookie | Is it possible to run gcc on OS2006 |
| 07:55.36 | cookie | latest edition |
| 07:55.36 | cookie | ? |
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| 07:56.50 | pupnik | dunno |
| 07:57.07 | cookie | Does anybody have gcc installed on nokia 770 |
| 07:57.08 | cookie | ? |
| 07:57.30 | pupnik | i don't know anyone who says "i use gcc on the tablet" |
| 07:57.57 | cookie | can you install bash |
| 07:57.57 | cookie | ? |
| 07:58.00 | pupnik | yes |
| 07:58.03 | cookie | or does it come with a shell |
| 07:58.05 | cookie | ? |
| 07:58.10 | pupnik | comes with busybox |
| 07:58.25 | cookie | well, on bash you can have gcc |
| 07:58.46 | cookie | or at least you have apt |
| 07:58.53 | cookie | and you can use apt to install gcc |
| 07:58.56 | pupnik | the shell is unrelated to the compiler. gcc can be launched from csh, bsh, bash, zsh or busybox :) |
| 07:59.15 | cookie | you're right |
| 07:59.22 | pupnik | but if you mean, can you run command-line apps - yes it is easy and very much like a little linux computer :) |
| 07:59.29 | pupnik | is this cookie from angband? |
| 07:59.39 | cookie | angband |
| 07:59.40 | cookie | ? |
| 07:59.44 | cookie | what is angband |
| 07:59.45 | cookie | ? |
| 07:59.56 | pupnik | an old ASCII game |
| 08:00.02 | pupnik | roguelike |
| 08:00.26 | cookie | well, it does have apt utilit, right? |
| 08:00.34 | pupnik | yes - works just like debian |
| 08:00.35 | cookie | utility* |
| 08:00.42 | pupnik | apt-get, apt-cache |
| 08:00.48 | cookie | perfect |
| 08:01.06 | pupnik | if i had a port open i could let you ssh onto mine and play around :) |
| 08:01.07 | cookie | thanks |
| 08:01.31 | cookie | you can install sshd on the tablet |
| 08:01.34 | cookie | that is soo cool |
| 08:01.36 | pupnik | you're welcome - yes |
| 08:01.39 | cookie | and I gues ftpd too |
| 08:02.01 | cookie | thanks |
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| 08:20.43 | [pablo] | i found libmad0 in extras-devel on maemo but it wont install =/ |
| 08:21.45 | [pablo] | and adding the repo to my catalogue doesn't make it show up in application manager |
| 08:21.59 | [pablo] | i manually downloaded the file the repo points to and tried to install it |
| 08:25.35 | pupnik | what was the error? |
| 08:26.00 | [pablo] | Incompatible application package |
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| 08:28.37 | pupnik | ok do you have a terminal open [pablo] ? |
| 08:28.48 | [pablo] | yeah |
| 08:29.22 | pupnik | then you should be able to install with |
| 08:29.26 | pupnik | apt-get install libmad0 |
| 08:30.03 | [pablo] | i cant get root |
| 08:30.14 | pupnik | ok |
| 08:30.26 | pupnik | these lib*** libraries *should* install automatically |
| 08:30.34 | pupnik | whenever you install a package that requires them |
| 08:30.49 | pupnik | but some packagers fail to include proper dependencies |
| 08:30.52 | [pablo] | yeah, but it's not showing as available |
| 08:31.03 | [pablo] | it says it's a dependency that's not provided |
| 08:31.12 | pupnik | second - lib*** libraries don't show as regular installable packages in application managers |
| 08:31.25 | pupnik | s/managers/manager |
| 08:31.41 | [pablo] | really? cuz a lot of them are listed there |
| 08:31.49 | [pablo] | i tried an apt-cache search for libmad0 |
| 08:31.56 | [pablo] | here is what I get ... |
| 08:31.58 | pupnik | i mean in the GUI manager |
| 08:32.16 | [pablo] | some error about a bad entry in my sources.list |
| 08:32.23 | [pablo] | for devicescape |
| 08:32.44 | [pablo] | i need to get root somehow to fix this heh |
| 08:33.01 | pupnik | yes or change entries in sources.list with app manager |
| 08:33.37 | [pablo] | i tried, it wont let me edit this one because it's malformed, and it's in /etc/apt/sources.list and not the seperate one for AM |
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| 08:36.49 | [pablo] | sweet i got root =) |
| 08:38.17 | oil | btw. do you know if I can make ukmp just to check the new covers, without starting the application itself? |
| 08:38.39 | [pablo] | well, that did it |
| 08:39.02 | [pablo] | that line in sources.list apparently kept it from updating all the sources not just the malformed one |
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| 08:39.13 | [pablo] | mplayer showed up in AM and installed just fine once I fixed that |
| 08:39.17 | [pablo] | stupid devicescape |
| 08:39.20 | Prez | hello |
| 08:39.34 | Prez | is there an n800 channel, not specific maemo developer? |
| 08:39.53 | [pablo] | this is pretty much it, not everyone here is a developer |
| 08:40.49 | Prez | ok, maybe someone can help me, I have checked all over te tablet, how can I remove my email account from n800? i got too much mail and app doesn't open up and taking up lots of cycles |
| 08:40.57 | Prez | i want to remove email from tablet |
| 08:41.52 | pupnik | Prez: you can find the files taking up much room by using the terminal (xterm) |
| 08:41.54 | pupnik | then delete them |
| 08:42.07 | Prez | pupnik: I actually want to disable my email account |
| 08:42.07 | pupnik | open xterm |
| 08:42.08 | pupnik | type |
| 08:42.08 | pupnik | du |
| 08:42.14 | pupnik | dunno how to do that |
| 08:42.21 | Prez | me either :-) |
| 08:42.45 | Prez | I cannot find anywhere to disable email like u can disable IM accounts |
| 08:44.45 | [pablo] | in os2008 you can only do it in the mail client |
| 08:44.58 | [pablo] | i ran into the same proble |
| 08:44.59 | [pablo] | m |
| 08:46.23 | Prez | [pablo]: ok, the internet app finally opened, super slow, trying to refresh ok, i see accounts in menu.. that must be it |
| 08:46.34 | Prez | maybe there should be a setting in control panel |
| 08:46.43 | Prez | so as not to have to open client to configure accounts |
| 08:48.33 | [pablo] | well, the only reason it was done differently with IM and SIP was for 'presence' purposes |
| 08:48.46 | [pablo] | im and sip are, in theory, always on features of the tablet |
| 08:48.48 | [pablo] | mail is not |
| 08:57.00 | czr | mornink |
| 08:57.56 | [pablo] | morning |
| 08:57.57 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 08:58.34 | [pablo] | mmm mplayer, no h264 support though =/ |
| 08:59.51 | pupnik | mplayer seems to play everything i have... is h264 some apple thing? |
| 09:00.39 | czr | it's the codec used for some hdtv transmissions |
| 09:00.43 | czr | hardly anything to with apple |
| 09:00.54 | czr | about 2-3 times as heavy as mpeg4 |
| 09:01.10 | czr | I think it's now part of mpeg4 as well, some high-end profile, might be mistaken as well |
| 09:01.11 | pupnik | oh yes, that thing that needs a pentium 2ghz to play back |
| 09:01.25 | czr | or more |
| 09:01.54 | czr | a friend is having difficulty decoding canal digital streams with a dual core (open source codec, there's a windows coded that uses both cores that is able to survive the streams) |
| 09:02.04 | [pablo] | it is being pimped by apple, and it does SD as well as HD |
| 09:02.15 | db48x | better quality though |
| 09:02.17 | [pablo] | ipod's play h264 |
| 09:02.26 | czr | ah. interesting. |
| 09:02.41 | czr | I thought it was more rare. but I don't follow apple stuff anyway. |
| 09:02.45 | [pablo] | i wouldn't expect the n810 to do HD h264 heh |
| 09:02.56 | [pablo] | but most standard quicktime format podcasts these days are encoded in h264 |
| 09:03.50 | pupnik | fuck the word podcast |
| 09:04.02 | pupnik | pardon me |
| 09:04.13 | [pablo] | oh it's okay, i agree |
| 09:04.49 | pupnik | i suppose it does have a valid semantic niche, and it's short and understandable |
| 09:04.51 | [pablo] | but most people look at you dumb when you say independent media or the like |
| 09:05.11 | pupnik | yeah - it will probably become generic like 'post it' |
| 09:05.13 | [pablo] | i was involved in independent media way before the term was coined |
| 09:05.18 | [pablo] | we didn't really call it anything though |
| 09:05.20 | pupnik | mhm |
| 09:06.14 | [pablo] | but yeah, independent media is the only kind I consume as far as broadcast goes |
| 09:06.21 | [pablo] | i refuse to watch broadcast television anymore |
| 09:07.11 | pupnik | ditto |
| 09:07.31 | [pablo] | but I love me some entertainment |
| 09:07.49 | [pablo] | so i'm stuck with netflix and 'podcasts' heh |
| 09:10.11 | pupnik | yes - |
| 09:10.15 | pupnik | much better than the tv |
| 09:10.38 | pupnik | so many great clips online |
| 09:11.02 | [pablo] | i did fall victim to season one of heroes though |
| 09:11.12 | [pablo] | but i never watched it on tv heh |
| 09:12.45 | czr | I'm way back |
| 09:13.00 | [pablo] | i refuse to see any until it's all out |
| 09:13.18 | czr | "I refuse to work until they start running BSG again" |
| 09:13.20 | [pablo] | i hated being a slave to next weeks episode |
| 09:13.27 | [pablo] | lmao |
| 09:13.41 | czr | no need to be a slave :-) |
| 09:14.13 | [pablo] | oh but i was |
| 09:14.13 | [pablo] | at the end of a show |
| 09:14.13 | [pablo] | i just wanted the next one |
| 09:14.13 | [pablo] | so i'm just gonna hold out until i can have them =) |
| 09:14.19 | czr | interesting strategy |
| 09:14.39 | czr | do you hold off using software until it has no reported bugs left too? :-) |
| 09:15.02 | [pablo] | hell no, that's fun, there is something I can actually do about that =) |
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| 09:16.27 | [pablo] | i vote for some dynamite hack - boyz in the good |
| 09:16.28 | [pablo] | hood* |
| 09:16.46 | czr | np: Art of Trance: Easter Island (Original) |
| 09:16.54 | czr | I guess slightly different genre :-) |
| 09:17.07 | [pablo] | heh =) |
| 09:17.32 | [pablo] | trance would just put me back to sleep =) |
| 09:18.53 | [pablo] | brb smoke break |
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| 09:24.54 | czr | bleh. ironic that I'm not getting my sf pwd reset mail in order to send a patch against one program. bleh. |
| 09:25.43 | guardian | morning |
| 09:25.43 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 11:07.58 | Ed77 | Hi guys. Does anyone here happen to have N810 with non-English layout? |
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| 11:25.05 | [pablo] | Ed77: they don't really exist yet |
| 11:25.26 | Ed77 | Well, I have Russian one :) |
| 11:25.33 | [pablo] | really? |
| 11:25.37 | [pablo] | how did you get it? |
| 11:26.29 | Ed77 | Just got it. Never mind. |
| 11:26.44 | [pablo] | you should put up some pictures of it, it's been a pretty common request because nokia has yet to release any pictures of them |
| 11:27.03 | Ed77 | Do you have N810? |
| 11:27.14 | [pablo] | a US one yes |
| 11:27.35 | Ed77 | Good. Would you mind to test some application for it? |
| 11:27.56 | Ed77 | It's tuxtype. Keyboard typing trainer. |
| 11:29.08 | Ed77 | ??? |
| 11:29.24 | [pablo] | are you having a problem with it? |
| 11:30.16 | Ed77 | Nope. But I want to be sure it works on sombody's else device before releasing it. |
| 11:31.26 | [pablo] | eh, I tend to stay away from alpha software |
| 11:31.37 | Ed77 | OK. No problem. |
| 11:33.32 | Ed77 | Just one question. How do you manage to distingwish between alpha and production software on maemo? Just curious :) |
| 11:41.25 | timelyx | Ed77: production software has been used on 100 devices w/o being officially blamed for deleting files or triggering reboots :) |
| 11:42.19 | czr | timelyx, that's like ultra-production then :-) |
| 11:42.37 | Hugol2 | timelyx: ur too picky ;) |
| 11:42.39 | Ed77 | The question is where to find this kind of info? |
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| 11:44.48 | czr | Ed77, the software that comes with the official image should be considered stable |
| 11:45.03 | czr | anything you install from elsewhere depends on that software per se. |
| 11:46.25 | timelyx | czr: stable is an overstatement |
| 11:46.28 | timelyx | production's ok :) |
| 11:46.39 | czr | ah, I meant to write production :-) |
| 11:47.08 | czr | stable is something I reserve for software which hasn't have any changes for at least a year normally :-) |
| 11:47.16 | Ed77 | Now I get it. Everything from maemo/downloads and garage is considered unstable or alpha :) |
| 11:47.19 | czr | although "unmaintained" is sometimes the same thing :-) |
| 11:47.40 | czr | Ed77, you should check that projects' page and comments from people |
| 11:47.46 | timelyx | Ed77: hrm, i think mameo/downloads might have a couple of things w/ > 100 downloads |
| 11:47.50 | timelyx | those should be considered production |
| 11:48.07 | timelyx | heck, hello world is likely to break :) |
| 11:48.15 | czr | hello-world does break. |
| 11:48.23 | czr | :-) |
| 11:48.29 | czr | hello-world-app does at least. |
| 11:48.42 | czr | which is slightly ironic, but who am I to say anything :-) |
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| 11:48.59 | truls | it's in the name |
| 11:49.09 | czr | heh |
| 11:49.43 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.00 | truls | is anyone using scratchbox on ubuntu feisty, and can check if svn-buildpackage works? |
| 11:50.25 | [pablo] | if it's used been somewhat used(size of platform is taken into account) and hasn't caused any major problems, it's generally safe enough for me |
| 11:50.42 | czr | truls, svn-buildpackage? how to check it? |
| 11:50.47 | [pablo] | if i'm the 1st/2nd person using it and I didn't write it, it's to alpha for me |
| 11:51.12 | timelyx | s/to/too/ |
| 11:51.44 | truls | czr: just run the command |
| 11:51.52 | czr | truls, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b0284 |
| 11:51.57 | czr | incomplete perl install |
| 11:52.14 | czr | hmm. actually something more serious than that |
| 11:52.30 | Ed77 | I'm using svn-buildpackage, but not on ubuntu. Does it matter if you're inside scratchbox? |
| 11:52.34 | truls | czr: same problem i'm having |
| 11:52.43 | truls | Ed77: yes, it links to the one outside i think |
| 11:52.47 | czr | truls even |
| 11:53.25 | Ed77 | Nope. My host system is old RedHat 9 without any svn-buildpackage. |
| 11:53.40 | Ed77 | scratchbox is isolated environment by definition. |
| 11:54.13 | timelyx | not really |
| 11:54.18 | timelyx | scratchbox is a hack with broken isolation |
| 11:54.22 | timelyx | it isn't a zone or a xen |
| 11:54.23 | czr | indeed |
| 11:54.45 | timelyx | scratchbox is interesting/useful because things can bleed from host |
| 11:54.49 | czr | with a trout! |
| 11:55.07 | Ed77 | I tend to disagree. At least for svn-buildpackage. It's isolated as I can see. |
| 11:55.34 | timelyx | Ed77: that depends on how your sbox is configured |
| 11:55.39 | timelyx | but technically it isn't true isolation |
| 11:55.51 | Ed77 | Show me some example. |
| 11:55.59 | czr | if it would be isolated, the pastebin wouldn't show absolute paths wrt real host |
| 11:56.03 | czr | Ed77, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b0284 |
| 11:57.16 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.17 | _Monkey | Bug 2373 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2373 |
| 11:57.24 | timelyx | people need to install the microb spellchecker :( |
| 11:57.35 | Ed77 | those path are not actually real host paths. They exist inside scratchbox. |
| 11:57.41 | timelyx | anyone here delete horses often? |
| 11:57.43 | timelyx | (just females) |
| 11:57.44 | czr | timeless, it's written using the diminutive form ;-) |
| 11:58.02 | timelyx | actually, that's probably fillies |
| 11:58.48 | czr | ah, my bad Ed77 |
| 11:59.02 | Ed77 | Don't get me wrong. I agree that scratchbox is a hack. But in this case it doesn't matter. Host system has nothing to do with svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox. |
| 11:59.19 | czr | Ed77, so svn-buildpackage is just broken then in the SD |
| 11:59.20 | czr | SDK even |
| 11:59.23 | timelyx | Ed77: if you stick svn-buildpackage into the passthroughs and don't install it locally ;) |
| 12:00.03 | Ed77 | Yes, it's broken in latest SDK. |
| 12:00.30 | Ed77 | I'm using it in gregale and bora SDK. Works just fine. |
| 12:01.31 | truls | i'm using bora sdk |
| 12:01.56 | czr | hmm. my pastebin was from chinook |
| 12:02.24 | truls | but i'm using newest scratchbox |
| 12:02.42 | truls | because i first installed chinook and then added bora |
| 12:02.54 | Ed77 | That's the problem may be. I'm still using old one. |
| 12:03.10 | truls | so might be using newer maemo3-tools devkit or something |
| 12:03.21 | Ed77 | And my own svn-buildpackage, which I got from Debian and built myself. |
| 12:03.43 | czr | hmm. I wonder where it's trying to pull RAND_status from |
| 12:04.14 | truls | i added /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but didn't help |
| 12:04.27 | truls | that atleast made ldd think the stuff was ok |
| 12:04.55 | Ed77 | If you really need it I can give you mine. Wana try it? |
| 12:05.04 | czr | ah. |
| 12:05.07 | czr | libcrypto |
| 12:05.15 | timelyx | czr: please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug to systemsoftware:x |
| 12:05.34 | truls | Ed77: sure |
| 12:05.41 | czr | timeless, number please |
| 12:05.52 | truls | Ed77: if you just built it i guess i can just build my own though |
| 12:06.08 | Ed77 | truls: Just a moment. I'll upload it somewhere. |
| 12:06.40 | timelyx | czr: *shrug* |
| 12:06.59 | truls | Ed77: no need |
| 12:07.00 | czr | timeless, so what does the "please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug" then mean :-) |
| 12:07.13 | czr | I don't even remember having any xserver bugs |
| 12:07.15 | timelyx | it means i was using longlist and lost the bug number :) |
| 12:07.15 | truls | Ed77: i'll just fix one myself, but was hoping to fix the real problem in scratchbox |
| 12:07.34 | czr | timelyx, bleh. I need a number :-) |
| 12:07.50 | czr | truls, post a bug |
| 12:08.27 | timelyx | i gave you one |
| 12:08.28 | czr | hmm. seems there are other issues as well |
| 12:08.40 | timelyx | Bugzilla Bug 2378 |
| 12:08.40 | timelyx | OS2008 App Manager errors with OS2007 catalogue .install files |
| 12:08.40 | _Monkey | Bug 2378 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2378 |
| 12:08.51 | timelyx | gah, what kind of users are these? |
| 12:09.03 | timelyx | please use it |
| 12:09.15 | czr | timelyx, it's not related to X in any way. the url is just an example. |
| 12:09.16 | truls | czr: where? |
| 12:09.32 | timelyx | czr: those things are owned by the packagers |
| 12:09.41 | timelyx | which means it really should be one bug per component/packager |
| 12:09.50 | czr | timeless, the same bug is repeated for almost every package. you suggest I replicate the bug for each? |
| 12:10.20 | timelyx | a bug assigned to daniels will probably be addressed |
| 12:10.24 | timelyx | a generic bug will get lost |
| 12:10.31 | Ed77 | So, guys, does anybody want to test tuxtype on N810? |
| 12:10.39 | timelyx | it's 2pm |
| 12:10.43 | czr | timelyx, I doubt that daniels can single-handedly fix a process bug |
| 12:10.50 | czr | truls, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45778/ |
| 12:11.28 | truls | czr: yeah, i know, strange thing is that's fixed if you add /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 12:11.34 | truls | but svn-buildpackage still wont run |
| 12:12.33 | timelyx | czr: so will you invalidate that bug? :) |
| 12:12.44 | czr | timelyx, of course not :-) |
| 12:12.50 | timelyx | i mean 2378 |
| 12:13.01 | czr | arr, give me a sec |
| 12:13.37 | czr | 2378 has nothing to do with me |
| 12:13.57 | czr | or you mean the subject? :-) |
| 12:14.08 | czr | invalidating because of that would be just too nasty :-) |
| 12:14.25 | timelyx | see expected results? |
| 12:15.12 | czr | ah |
| 12:15.37 | timelyx | the reporter does get points for including expected results :) |
| 12:15.42 | timelyx | otherwise you're right :) |
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| 12:16.08 | truls | Ed77: replacing svn-buildpackage wouldn't really help, as it's just a perlscript |
| 12:16.33 | Ed77 | It would if you rename one in scratchbox. |
| 12:16.58 | Ed77 | may be. Try it. |
| 12:17.08 | truls | ? |
| 12:17.12 | truls | try what? |
| 12:17.19 | truls | like, exactly |
| 12:18.11 | Ed77 | show me 'which svn-buildpackage' output |
| 12:18.47 | Ed77 | should be something like /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage, right? |
| 12:18.59 | truls | /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/svn-buildpackage |
| 12:19.13 | timelyx | czr: wow |
| 12:19.21 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=Maemo-Icon-26&find=debian%2Fcontrol |
| 12:19.25 | timelyx | it really was the only hit |
| 12:19.31 | Ed77 | OK. Go outside scratchbox and rename it to /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage.broken or something. |
| 12:19.45 | czr | timelyx, I know |
| 12:19.46 | Ed77 | Then install svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox. |
| 12:20.11 | truls | Ed77: i'll try when i can get it built |
| 12:20.14 | timelyx | czr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :) |
| 12:20.21 | Ed77 | I can give you mine if you want. |
| 12:20.28 | Ed77 | I already offered :) |
| 12:20.36 | truls | heh, i know :) |
| 12:20.37 | truls | thanks |
| 12:21.04 | czr | timelyx, what's weird |
| 12:21.11 | czr | hmmh. |
| 12:21.26 | czr | timeless, why does the XB- get stripped when it hits into the Packages list? |
| 12:21.31 | czr | and why no other package contains this? |
| 12:21.49 | czr | I thought originally that the header just was misnamed or something |
| 12:21.55 | czr | but it seems to be correct in the source control file |
| 12:23.32 | czr | timelyx, did you add one? |
| 12:24.04 | timelyx | ? |
| 12:24.21 | czr | "<timelyx> czr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :)" |
| 12:24.31 | timelyx | no |
| 12:24.37 | timelyx | i'm trying to get dressed |
| 12:24.45 | timelyx | or read about required curvature for bananas |
| 12:24.52 | czr | you could do both |
| 12:24.55 | timelyx | please don't ask me how to spell banana in finnish |
| 12:25.04 | timelyx | it's something i was supposed to learn on friday |
| 12:25.08 | timelyx | or whatever day that was |
| 12:25.08 | czr | hah |
| 12:25.31 | Ed77 | banaani :) |
| 12:26.11 | timelyx | banaaniss:a ? |
| 12:26.23 | timelyx | (in banana i trust?) |
| 12:26.59 | tsavola | czr: lalalalalal i'm not listening |
| 12:27.12 | Ed77 | Nope. that means 'on the banana' |
| 12:27.52 | Ed77 | or 'in banana' may be |
| 12:27.57 | czr | tsavola, that's why it was a trout. you cannot ignore a trout. |
| 12:28.16 | czr | banaanissa means "in a banana" |
| 12:28.53 | czr | banaanin paalla would be closest to "on the banana", but it's not good finnish :-) |
| 12:29.27 | czr | also, it just sounds plain weird, but I'm guessing it has to do with the unfrequent use of that concept. it's not like people leave their keys on bananas and such. |
| 12:29.55 | timelyx | i like fudge banaanissa :) |
| 12:30.11 | timelyx | ice cream too |
| 12:30.54 | czr | oddly enough, in finnish you'd say "fudge with banana" instead of using "in". |
| 12:31.04 | czr | or ice cream with banana |
| 12:31.09 | timelyx | thats totally wrong! |
| 12:31.24 | czr | no it isn't. you're just incompatible with it :-) |
| 12:31.31 | timelyx | if i did that, i'd end up w/ a cup containing them |
| 12:31.38 | timelyx | certainly that'd be the french result... |
| 12:32.06 | czr | I don't think "coffee with milk" is that uncommon? |
| 12:32.22 | timelyx | that should be milk in its own pouring device |
| 12:32.24 | czr | you hardly ever hear people say "coffee with milk in it" |
| 12:32.27 | timelyx | measure and stir your own :) |
| 12:33.06 | czr | you're gonna go crazy because of finnish. sooner or later :-) |
| 12:33.08 | timelyx | what happens when i slip on a banana? |
| 12:33.14 | timelyx | better sooner? |
| 12:33.31 | czr | that's a difficult question. |
| 12:33.45 | czr | I assume you'd first try to correct your balance by shiting your hands here and there |
| 12:34.08 | Ed77 | does anyone know what's the right place to put application icon for menu? I put them under |
| 12:34.12 | czr | assuming that'd fail, you'd prolly next think "oh bugger", and then fall over in some uncomfortable way? :-) |
| 12:34.12 | truls | Ed77: ack, not buildable, missing debiandoc2pdf |
| 12:34.17 | timelyx | shiFting? :) |
| 12:34.35 | czr | shifting. true :-) |
| 12:34.36 | timelyx | i was more wondering about how i'd explain it in finnish |
| 12:34.52 | czr | "liukastuin banaaninkuoreen" |
| 12:34.52 | Ed77 | there: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/hildon/ but menu shows default one. |
| 12:35.42 | timelyx | czr: which translatesS? |
| 12:35.44 | Ed77 | truls: Well, what I can only repeat my offer :) |
| 12:35.55 | czr | "liukastuin = I "tripped, but actually more of a sliding thingy"", baanaaninkuoreen = into / because of, but really because an object, "bananapeel" |
| 12:35.59 | truls | Ed77: heh |
| 12:36.15 | czr | I'm not very good at translating language things really :-) |
| 12:36.32 | czr | I'm sure there's a proper translation for 'liukastua', but can't think of any right now |
| 12:36.50 | czr | kompastua would be "to trip over smt" |
| 12:37.14 | czr | liukas = slippery. if that helps :-) |
| 12:37.31 | timelyx | a bit, oddly :) |
| 12:37.38 | czr | and no. kompas does not mean "trippy" :-) |
| 12:38.05 | timelyx | heh |
| 12:38.29 | hugol1 | czr: you know how to get nfs automatically when the n800 reboots? |
| 12:38.45 | czr | hmm. a similar construct: viisas = wise. viisastua = to wisen up/to learn something |
| 12:38.46 | hugol1 | or where would be the proper place file to put the insmod's? |
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| 12:39.01 | czr | although not the same as "to learn" per se. more of a life experience thingy |
| 12:39.16 | pupnik | write a script czr - test for connection - does os2008 have ping yet? |
| 12:39.31 | czr | pupnik? |
| 12:39.46 | pupnik | i think ITOS uses /etc/rc scripts |
| 12:39.59 | czr | yeah but I'm an innocent bystander :-) |
| 12:40.13 | czr | hugol1, I don't know. I wouldn't mount nfs automatically |
| 12:40.28 | czr | on boot that is |
| 12:40.52 | hugol1 | czr: why? |
| 12:41.23 | czr | hugol1, what happens when there is no network connectivity? what happens when you shut down your server? |
| 12:41.40 | timelyx | czr: fun hangs |
| 12:41.43 | timelyx | what else? :) |
| 12:42.23 | hugol1 | Ic, so I better get some way of broadcasting music right? |
| 12:42.37 | hugol1 | any opinions on Canola? |
| 12:42.49 | hugol1 | its not open source yet |
| 12:43.56 | czr | or, you could write a script that will do the mount. then write another one that will umount, and use those |
| 12:44.08 | czr | are build the autofs module for n800/n810 and use that with automounter and hope it works |
| 12:44.32 | czr | there are many ways. but mounting nfs at boot is not a good one, with a mobile device especially |
| 12:45.35 | pupnik | oh sorry i meant hugol1 |
| 12:45.41 | Hugol2 | Ok |
| 12:45.49 | timelyx | not using nfs is best ;-) |
| 12:45.57 | timelyx | nfs is hazardous to device stability ;-) |
| 12:46.08 | Hugol2 | I think ill broadcast |
| 12:47.18 | timelyx | shoutcast ;-) |
| 12:48.32 | zerojay | Yes, shoutcast. :) |
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| 13:07.50 | rubiks | morning |
| 13:07.51 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 13:08.35 | rubiks | todo bien? |
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| 13:29.20 | [pablo] | rubiks: do you follow your namesake? =P |
| 13:29.41 | rubiks | meaning? |
| 13:30.09 | [pablo] | rubiks cubes |
| 13:30.12 | rubiks | can i complete the rubiks cube? |
| 13:30.14 | [pablo] | you solve? |
| 13:30.17 | rubiks | yes |
| 13:30.26 | [pablo] | speed cubing specifically i guess |
| 13:30.35 | rubiks | yes |
| 13:30.41 | rubiks | 21 secs |
| 13:30.46 | [pablo] | nice |
| 13:30.56 | [pablo] | what method? |
| 13:31.03 | rubiks | hum... |
| 13:31.32 | rubiks | not sure, because i normally use all methods |
| 13:31.51 | rubiks | i have chris based |
| 13:32.04 | rubiks | not sure of the name |
| 13:32.29 | [pablo] | *nod* |
| 13:33.04 | [pablo] | don't run into many cubers outside of that community |
| 13:33.54 | rubiks | http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/ |
| 13:34.16 | rubiks | not sure of the name's method |
| 13:34.29 | zerojay | Didn't know there was a 6x6. |
| 13:34.40 | rubiks | :) |
| 13:34.54 | zerojay | Oh, they plan it all ahead of time. |
| 13:35.05 | zerojay | Bleh. |
| 13:35.11 | zerojay | That makes it a lot less impressive. |
| 13:35.22 | rubiks | yeah |
| 13:35.36 | rubiks | i go by skibur |
| 13:36.03 | [pablo] | zerojay: really? |
| 13:36.20 | [pablo] | they only have 15-30 seconds to plan it |
| 13:36.20 | rubiks | handle since 1999 |
| 13:36.37 | [pablo] | the planning part is the skill |
| 13:36.43 | zerojay | On that page he just posted, the guy says he has 2 hours of planning time. |
| 13:36.45 | [pablo] | i can't quite get that part down |
| 13:36.58 | [pablo] | for a single solve? |
| 13:37.11 | zerojay | So is there special cube grease I don't know about because I've never seen a cube spin that easily. |
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| 13:37.51 | [pablo] | it's not really special |
| 13:38.05 | [pablo] | most people just use silicon |
| 13:38.12 | rubiks | I remember when cubers were unique, now we have many buying books |
| 13:38.33 | zerojay | I had never heard of there even being a community for that until now. |
| 13:38.46 | [pablo] | i've only been doing it for a couple years |
| 13:38.50 | rubiks | :) |
| 13:38.53 | [pablo] | i'm not old skool heh |
| 13:38.58 | zerojay | I'm not surprised there is one, but just didnt know about it. |
| 13:39.12 | zerojay | Learn something new everyday. |
| 13:39.31 | rubiks | I've done it on many talent show |
| 13:39.40 | rubiks | always win |
| 13:39.58 | rubiks | until the last one |
| 13:40.12 | zerojay | My kid took an interest in it last week when he found mine. He had no idea what it was. |
| 13:40.15 | [pablo] | nice |
| 13:41.04 | [pablo] | the little ones learn it so much faster =) |
| 13:41.16 | rubiks | judges told me that it was not orginal anymore, so I lost to SINGING and DANCE. What kinda crap is that! |
| 13:42.25 | czr | rubiks, next time sing while solving |
| 13:42.28 | [pablo] | i wonder if that's what the second guy who climbed everest thought .. "you know, this just isn't original anymore, get me off of this rock" |
| 13:42.31 | [pablo] | lol |
| 13:42.49 | rubiks | lol |
| 13:43.02 | czr | or. hop on one leg |
| 13:43.20 | [pablo] | what about blindfolded solving? |
| 13:43.26 | czr | too obvious |
| 13:43.40 | czr | solving with hands behind your back |
| 13:43.42 | czr | that'd be something |
| 13:43.46 | rubiks | I can break dance. wind mil while solving the cube. :) |
| 13:43.53 | czr | that'd work |
| 13:43.57 | [pablo] | solve with your feet! |
| 13:44.16 | [pablo] | oh i've got it! |
| 13:44.20 | [pablo] | so you have 3 cubes right |
| 13:44.23 | [pablo] | scramble them all |
| 13:44.30 | [pablo] | study each for 15 seconds |
| 13:44.37 | [pablo] | then start juggling them for a minute or so |
| 13:44.39 | [pablo] | when you're done |
| 13:44.43 | [pablo] | they are all solved |
| 13:44.54 | czr | that'd be pretty impressive |
| 13:44.55 | rubiks | lol |
| 13:44.56 | [pablo] | singing and dancing? pwned indeed! |
| 13:45.08 | czr | + break dance |
| 13:45.21 | [pablo] | haha water almost came out of my nose just now |
| 13:45.24 | [pablo] | thanks czr |
| 13:45.28 | czr | sry :-) |
| 13:45.29 | pupnik | i hated not solving the cube |
| 13:46.35 | [pablo] | pupnik: then you should have solved it |
| 13:46.37 | [pablo] | heh |
| 13:46.59 | rubiks | cubing was great, now I just stick to developing for linux on the Nintendo DS. |
| 13:47.38 | zerojay | One of the guys in my company got fired for doing the same. |
| 13:47.41 | czr | bleh. I hate it when crond doesn't pick up on new cronjobs instantly |
| 13:48.31 | zerojay | Not for working on DS linux, but because he leaked proprietary info on the DS which lead to them figuring out the framebuffer way back.. couple of years ago. |
| 13:48.54 | czr | sloppy :-) |
| 13:49.06 | zerojay | He did it on purpose. |
| 13:49.13 | czr | sloppy for not using freenet :-) |
| 13:49.20 | zerojay | Just didn't realize it was proprietary. |
| 13:49.28 | czr | ah. that sucks |
| 13:49.41 | zerojay | No, not really. |
| 13:49.42 | rubiks | :( |
| 13:49.45 | zerojay | He was an asshole. lol |
| 13:50.23 | czr | :-) |
| 13:50.28 | rubiks | so I'm fueling a criminal? |
| 13:50.37 | zerojay | Two years later, he still sings songs about how he was forced to work 80 hour weeks (which never happened). |
| 13:50.44 | czr | rubiks, depends on whether you're drinking benzene or not :-) |
| 13:50.50 | zerojay | Yes, he wrote a song about it. |
| 13:50.56 | czr | heh |
| 13:50.57 | [pablo] | i hope he doesn't literally sing them |
| 13:50.59 | [pablo] | that would be awkward |
| 13:51.03 | zerojay | Yeah, he does. |
| 13:51.04 | rubiks | lol |
| 13:51.10 | [pablo] | wow |
| 13:51.12 | czr | 80 is pretty steep though. for couple of weeks doable but after that it's not all that productive |
| 13:51.33 | zerojay | czr: He never did more than 45 in a week, but was telling everyone he did 80. |
| 13:51.45 | czr | maybe he wasn't too good at math :-) |
| 13:51.51 | czr | hence the singing career |
| 13:52.07 | zerojay | Heh.. that's bad news for someone that's supposed to be a kick ass programmer. ;) |
| 13:52.16 | rubiks | I would rather listen 2 alica keys 'no one' |
| 13:52.21 | czr | he got his ass kicked, didn't he? :-) |
| 13:52.22 | rubiks | ;) |
| 13:52.47 | zerojay | No, because he sings with several other no-talents at parks and stuff. |
| 13:53.17 | czr | they're also kicked assed programmers? :-) |
| 13:53.17 | [pablo] | his name isn't stallman is it? He sings on occasion too |
| 13:53.18 | zerojay | And they tape each other's "gigs". |
| 13:53.22 | czr | hah pablo |
| 13:53.27 | zerojay | Haha. |
| 13:53.46 | [pablo] | such a great song =) |
| 13:53.48 | [pablo] | lol |
| 13:53.53 | rubiks | :p |
| 13:54.00 | rubiks | link? |
| 13:55.10 | [pablo] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw |
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| 13:56.29 | [pablo] | there are better ones |
| 13:56.44 | [pablo] | but i think that one has more of an RMS feel to it |
| 13:58.23 | [pablo] | nothing like RMS singing acapella to bring the room down lol |
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| 14:05.26 | fysa | you can get nfs to not hang with the proper options -- it can quite nearly automount transparently. |
| 14:08.36 | rubiks | nice |
| 14:09.32 | rubiks | well hackers, making breakfast. anybody want pancakes? |
| 14:10.02 | [pablo] | waffles? |
| 14:10.08 | [pablo] | actually, sleep =) |
| 14:10.11 | [pablo] | later folks |
| 14:11.14 | rubiks | later |
| 14:11.44 | rubiks | well... I'm off 2 |
| 14:14.10 | Hugol2 | fysa: you have a link where i can read about those nfs options? |
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| 15:01.30 | fysa | spacepants:/spacepants/media /spacepants/media nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp,user |
| 15:01.53 | fysa | that's the fstab I use in my HTPC to automount the fileserver and remount when necessary. |
| 15:02.02 | fysa | it kills locks when the server is down, so apps won't hang. |
| 15:02.22 | fysa | that same line should work, but you can man mount_nfs or something to see the meanings. |
| 15:02.46 | fysa | bg,soft,intr are the most important for keeping things from locking and automounting |
| 15:02.56 | fysa | most of the others are performance-related |
| 15:04.22 | Hugol2 | fysa: sounds great im going to try |
| 15:04.54 | fysa | you using os2008? |
| 15:05.07 | Hugol2 | No im on n800 |
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| 15:06.16 | Hugol2 | I know some versions of 2008 are out but waiting for the oficial release |
| 15:06.33 | Hugol2 | Does it matter? |
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| 15:47.55 | edt | what has to be done to allow networking to work with a box setup for dual boot (os2008 in flash and os2007 on removeable)? |
| 15:48.44 | edt | Is it just a mater of moving the wifi module from os2008 to os2007 or is a completely different module needed? |
| 15:49.02 | pupnik | are you sure it's possible to multiboot 2007 and 2008 on a n8x0 |
| 15:49.03 | edt | and maybe new utils on the os2007 image? |
| 15:49.10 | edt | yes |
| 15:49.25 | edt | but wifi does not work on the os2007 boot |
| 15:49.35 | pupnik | aahh |
| 15:49.59 | edt | hense the questions |
| 15:50.51 | edt | I sort of doubt that the older modules from the .18? kernel work with the .21 kernel on the new image |
| 15:51.04 | pupnik | maybe 2007 can be modified to work with 2008 kernel wifi driver |
| 15:51.08 | zerojay | Try it and find out. |
| 15:52.35 | edt | pupnik it probably can... but module formats can change with kernel releases... I was wondering if anyone else had figured out how to make it work |
| 15:53.08 | edt | I have a few apps that I would like to have with os2007 that are not available for 08... |
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| 15:54.04 | edt | mind you if the browser & media player are backported I would stay with os2007 for a few more months |
| 15:54.07 | pupnik | share your knowledge on a forum thread or wiki, maybe others can help |
| 15:54.14 | captlloyd | My Internet Phone Call (Google Talk) doesn't work on my N810, I can make calls, but noone hears me and I don't hear them |
| 15:54.31 | captlloyd | Not sure where to start |
| 15:54.35 | zerojay | captlloyd: Most likely a firewall problem. |
| 15:54.48 | edt | captllooyd is this with the image from this friday's update |
| 15:55.04 | captlloyd | its the most recent one, I installed it on Friday |
| 15:55.22 | zerojay | I might go back to 42-18.. 42-19 has a busted RSS feed reader. |
| 15:55.36 | captlloyd | Hmm, the feed reader is working fine |
| 15:55.39 | captlloyd | for me |
| 15:55.49 | zerojay | segfaults on every launch for me. |
| 15:55.53 | captlloyd | Weird |
| 15:55.54 | zerojay | And I'm not talking about the home applet. |
| 15:56.22 | edt | captllooyd zerojay is write check your firewall (or isps restrictions) and/or try a different connection |
| 15:56.25 | captlloyd | I use the home applet to launch the reader and it works fine |
| 15:56.28 | captlloyd | Hmm |
| 15:56.44 | captlloyd | What does my firewall have to do special in order to allow talk I wonder. |
| 15:56.45 | captlloyd | I'll check |
| 15:56.49 | edt | zerojay what is not working in the rss reader |
| 15:56.52 | zerojay | Might be NAT. |
| 15:56.55 | zerojay | edt: Nothing. |
| 15:57.01 | zerojay | er.. |
| 15:57.03 | zerojay | I mean everything. |
| 15:57.14 | zerojay | Running it results in the window popping up and disappearing. |
| 15:57.17 | zerojay | The app segfaults. |
| 15:57.28 | zerojay | Maybe doesn't like one of my feeds. |
| 15:57.42 | edt | captlloynd nat or blocked ports. Some isp just let a few ports thru (in effect they are web providers NOT internet providers) |
| 15:57.52 | zoran | md5 check? |
| 15:58.00 | zoran | ah, sorry, wrong screen |
| 15:58.03 | edt | zerojay does a reboot help |
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| 15:58.18 | edt | I have had rss stall on os2007 and reboots fix it |
| 15:58.23 | zerojay | Like I said, always segfaults. |
| 15:58.26 | zerojay | Reboot or not. |
| 15:58.44 | captlloyd | I'm using NAT, I'm looking for docs on what ports need to be forwarded |
| 15:59.06 | captlloyd | zerojay: I would think it was maybe a feed it didn't like |
| 15:59.23 | edt | is textra / geekbrief tv working with the new os2008 image |
| 15:59.24 | captlloyd | I hadn't used it before I upgraded to 19. |
| 15:59.44 | hugol1 | where is the best place to have the system do insmod rpc.ko/insmod lock.ko/insmod nfs.ko at startup? |
| 16:00.02 | zerojay | local.start, perhaps. |
| 16:00.10 | hugol1 | or a better way to have nfs load at startup |
| 16:00.26 | zoran | soft one |
| 16:01.04 | hugol1 | zerojay: local.start is suposed to be at /etc? |
| 16:01.36 | zerojay | hugol1: I don't remember offhand. I think it's supposed to be in rc.d/ |
| 16:01.43 | zerojay | at /etc/rc.d/ |
| 16:02.20 | zerojay | Might be wrong though. |
| 16:02.37 | hugol1 | zerojay: theres 0 to 6 and S rc.d |
| 16:02.57 | edt | put it in rd.d |
| 16:03.02 | zerojay | hugol1: I don't know then. Could be that the tablet doesn't have it. |
| 16:03.08 | edt | link to the rc.d copy from rc.2 |
| 16:03.35 | zoran | if it is made teh same way as on 770, I could check where I put it |
| 16:03.58 | edt | something linke ln -s ../rc.d/local.start S99local.start |
| 16:04.08 | zoran | need time to boot :) |
| 16:04.16 | edt | when in the rc.d dir |
| 16:05.18 | hugol1 | edt: if I put the file directly into init.d and do the symlinc to there will be fine as well? |
| 16:05.37 | edt | I think so |
| 16:06.01 | sven-tek | Where are password (hashes) stored? there is no /etc/shadow ? Did not found em yet :-) |
| 16:06.28 | zoran | /etc/init.d/minircS |
| 16:06.43 | zoran | just bellow the path |
| 16:07.47 | edt | hugol1 I found that using the filemanager app with large samba dirs would stall my n800. |
| 16:07.58 | edt | command line was ok though |
| 16:08.10 | Ed77 | sven-tek: there is no shadow there. Only plain passwd. |
| 16:08.27 | Ed77 | I mean shadow is not used at all. |
| 16:08.36 | sven-tek | plain, wow i did not grep for that :-/ |
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| 16:09.28 | edt | sven-tek at least they did not make it use root all the time - there is some security... |
| 16:10.12 | hugol1 | edt: with nfs its allright. the filemanager (the gui) loaded like 300 gigs of audio and video fine |
| 16:10.20 | hugol1 | "fine" |
| 16:10.50 | hugol1 | looking arround in google for nfs with n800 I read that nfs offered better performance than samba in the n800 |
| 16:11.05 | hugol1 | like 30% better in video or something like that |
| 16:11.25 | edt | good to know - samba 'sucked' on the n800 |
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| 16:11.53 | edt | maybe sucked is a little to strong a word... |
| 16:12.47 | zoran | hugol1, the protocols depend on who made storage available |
| 16:13.30 | hugol1 | zoran: what? |
| 16:13.42 | zoran | samba, nfs... |
| 16:13.51 | hugol1 | you mean that the performance depens more on the server than on the client? |
| 16:14.02 | zoran | no, you cannot choose |
| 16:14.16 | zoran | if I give you nfs, no way to complain |
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| 16:15.07 | zoran | maybe is the amount of data too much for traffic under |
| 16:15.49 | zoran | btw, fuse? |
| 16:16.16 | hugol1 | zoran: yes, but if Im setting the server as well then I can choose... |
| 16:16.26 | zoran | :) |
| 16:17.06 | zoran | nfs mounts it |
| 16:17.35 | zoran | would be fine to see traffic graphicon with those 2 protocols |
| 16:18.29 | zoran | hugol1, is it world readable or just local net? |
| 16:18.41 | ol_schoola | does anyone stateside really need an 810, really bad? |
| 16:19.01 | ol_schoola | i'm going downtown in a few hours to see the Bears game and can stop at the Nokia store |
| 16:19.02 | zerojay | ol_schoola: Sure, why? |
| 16:19.08 | zerojay | Oh.. never mind. |
| 16:19.14 | zerojay | Thanks for the offer. |
| 16:19.32 | ol_schoola | just offering. i called them and they have plenty in stock |
| 16:19.45 | zerojay | Got the dev discount that I still can't use. :/ |
| 16:20.30 | ol_schoola | i'm still having a blast with this month old 800 and don't see the need to upgrade |
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| 16:20.50 | ol_schoola | but can pick one up if for anyone having trouble online |
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| 16:21.33 | zoran | looks more like buying new device than upgrade :) |
| 16:21.34 | zerojay | Wish I had the money to just get one straight. |
| 16:21.36 | ol_schoola | there's a UPS store right down the way, conveniently with free Wifi |
| 16:29.00 | timelyx | zerojay: you guys are looking at the hardware wrong |
| 16:29.06 | timelyx | invest your usd in eur, and wait |
| 16:29.16 | timelyx | then when you can spend that 100usd, convert back |
| 16:29.19 | zerojay | timelyx: Huh? What? |
| 16:29.21 | timelyx | and take the difference :) |
| 16:29.39 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 16:29.42 | zoran | even if it takes 100 years? |
| 16:29.46 | sven-tek | think i found a os08 bug, i opened a radio stream (real) in the media player. I can not add that stream to my libary now easy |
| 16:29.49 | timelyx | especially? |
| 16:29.56 | timelyx | think about the profit on that original usd :) |
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| 16:30.31 | timelyx | sven-tek: url? |
| 16:30.45 | zerojay | I'm just happy I can laugh at my American friends about the Canadian dollar being higher. :) |
| 16:31.18 | sven-tek | http://www.radioemscherlippe.de/fileadmin/template/webradiopopup.html |
| 16:31.28 | zerojay | I've reflashed the 2008 update just in case I missed something the last time which caused the RSS feed reader to segfault. |
| 16:31.58 | timelyx | hrm, i have a bond movie saved |
| 16:32.01 | zoran | fine reader is rawdog, written in python |
| 16:32.02 | timelyx | it's brosnan too |
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| 16:32.56 | zerojay | Don't want another reader. |
| 16:32.59 | zerojay | I want this one. |
| 16:33.22 | timelyx | what's my wep key? |
| 16:33.48 | zerojay | timelyx: 0xDEADBEEF |
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| 16:35.37 | zoran | what kind of bluetooth client is on n800/810? something like obexapp or graphical front end over something else? |
| 16:35.43 | zerojay | Nope, still segfaults. |
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| 16:36.58 | timelyx | sven-tek: what do i click? |
| 16:37.45 | edt | zerojay I would be nice if nokia provided .debs of packages on the image. On one of my os2007 images much of mediaplayer does not work. |
| 16:38.05 | zerojay | You must have made changes then. |
| 16:38.12 | edt | nothing I do seems to fix it. I would love to be able to reinstall just mediaplayer |
| 16:38.25 | edt | zerojay who know to what? |
| 16:38.27 | sven-tek | timelyx, are you on n800? there should be a button |
| 16:38.43 | timelyx | n810... |
| 16:38.43 | _Monkey | somebody said n810 was a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot... |
| 16:38.48 | timelyx | what do you mean button? |
| 16:39.10 | zerojay | Looks like removing my backed up feeds now lets the RSS feed reader work.. must have been one of my feeds fucking it up. |
| 16:39.23 | edt | I have tried recoping all gst stuff from a clean install along with the mediaplayer files (as determined with dplg -L) but something is still messed up |
| 16:39.38 | timelyx | edt: strace ;-) |
| 16:39.46 | timelyx | (just to get a complete list of interesting files) |
| 16:39.50 | edt | it loads mediaplayer, buffers the video, then complains |
| 16:40.05 | edt | timelyz ya |
| 16:40.21 | timelyx | edt: my guess is nokia doesn't want to make it easy for you to copy selective proprietary bits |
| 16:40.24 | timelyx | certainly, i wouldn't |
| 16:40.49 | timelyx | care to specify what the button says? |
| 16:40.55 | timelyx | some of us don't read german |
| 16:41.04 | zerojay | edt: What video would that be? What resolution? |
| 16:41.37 | sven-tek | no video, only radio stream |
| 16:41.40 | timelyx | oh |
| 16:41.49 | sven-tek | it works playing it on my n800 with os08 |
| 16:41.50 | timelyx | sorry, you should have said to enable the real plugin |
| 16:42.06 | sven-tek | only thingy i miss is a menu-option to add the stream to my fav |
| 16:42.28 | zerojay | Look at the page source, perhaps? |
| 16:42.33 | sven-tek | id like to see noscript and adblock for the browser... |
| 16:42.57 | sven-tek | sure i can find out some way - but os07 had the menu option. os08 not |
| 16:42.57 | zerojay | I've already got ad blocking with Greasemonkey. |
| 16:43.04 | timelyx | i asked the noscript author to port noscript |
| 16:44.54 | timelyx | sven-tek: interesting |
| 16:45.14 | timelyx | you could of course save the playlist |
| 16:45.16 | timelyx | but that's stupid |
| 16:45.33 | timelyx | and you can't get clip details |
| 16:45.47 | timelyx | file a bug, add media bookmark should arguably prefill w/ the current url |
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| 16:45.58 | the-FoX | hello |
| 16:46.27 | the-FoX | i try to start mobile mythtv, anyone ever tested this software? |
| 16:47.12 | timelyx | the-FoX: google? |
| 16:47.13 | _Monkey | google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 16:48.35 | the-FoX | google is my friend too, thanks! i already googled, but didn't find any helpfull informations to resolve my problem |
| 16:48.43 | the-FoX | thanks and bye |
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| 16:57.35 | timelyx | heh |
| 16:57.43 | timelyx | nice |
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| 16:58.46 | sp3000 | it'll let you hit the 'previous' button as many times as you like before it's done figuring out the previous page :) |
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| 17:14.13 | GNUton | Hi! |
| 17:15.28 | maddler | hi |
| 17:15.28 | _Monkey | hi, maddler |
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| 17:15.28 | maddler | hi |
| 17:15.35 | maddler | hmmm... _Monkey how did you did that? :) |
| 17:15.42 | maddler | [18:15:10] < maddler> hi |
| 17:15.43 | maddler | [18:15:10] < _Monkey> hi, maddler |
| 17:15.44 | lopz | hola |
| 17:15.44 | _Monkey | hey, lopz |
| 17:15.47 | GeneralAntilles | He's an evil genius. |
| 17:15.51 | maddler | hehehehe |
| 17:17.37 | timelyx | niihau |
| 17:17.42 | timelyx | nii hau |
| 17:18.12 | oil_ | here is a new way to control maemo os2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU |
| 17:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | By that time Nokia will be implanting them in our skulls. |
| 17:20.25 | pupnik | a lot of money in society is being mis-allocated away from cool technology |
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| 17:24.03 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! Anyone here know what the proper place for a call to autogen.sh is in a cdbs debian/rules file? |
| 17:24.37 | _|Nix|_ | Currently, I have to issue ./autogen.sh before I can dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 17:25.26 | pupnik | _|Nix|_: grepping for it... |
| 17:25.37 | _|Nix|_ | pupnik: grepping? Wherein? |
| 17:26.02 | pupnik | scratchbox - not finding any autogen in rules files yet |
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| 17:26.19 | pupnik | maybe it's not called explicitly |
| 17:26.34 | _|Nix|_ | pupnik: I think cdbs assumes you're starting from configure. |
| 17:26.45 | _|Nix|_ | However, I get my sources from a DVCS ... |
| 17:27.10 | pupnik | can you download a debian source package and use its' rules file? |
| 17:27.54 | _|Nix|_ | Nowhere near. I spent the whole weekend moving from my own, plain Makefile to a cdbs Makefile. There's no way I'm'na do that again. |
| 17:28.16 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.21 | pupnik | bbl |
| 17:28.29 | _|Nix|_ | I got it down to where it does everything my old Makefile used to do, plus some nice cdbs benefits, but no call to autogen.sh. |
| 17:28.45 | elb | you generally don't want to autogen.sh in a rules file |
| 17:28.52 | elb | that's kind of a special circumstance |
| 17:29.07 | _|Nix|_ | elb: I know, but I build from monotone - even if it's a tagged rev. |
| 17:29.43 | _|Nix|_ | I /really/ don't want to go the route of upstream tarball + patch file. |
| 17:29.47 | L0cutusM | what can i use to see my download/upload speed with xterm on n800? |
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| 17:31.16 | _|Nix|_ | L0cutusM: You could use connection manager. |
| 17:31.24 | _|Nix|_ | However, it'll give you totals, not speed. |
| 17:31.34 | _|Nix|_ | Still, you can tell your speed from the totals. |
| 17:31.57 | _|Nix|_ | You could also write a small shell script that'll tell you your speed from the total data reported by ifconfig. |
| 17:33.11 | L0cutusM | yes but i know there are some tools that can do that but i can't remember the name |
| 17:33.27 | _|Nix|_ | *shrug* |
| 17:37.52 | _|Nix|_ | Damn! Building with NSS doesn't work on bora :o( |
| 17:38.22 | _|Nix|_ | ... and it's not for the lack of the library. It's the damn build system ... |
| 17:38.29 | _|Nix|_ | s/damn/damned/ |
| 17:38.44 | _|Nix|_ | *shake head* |
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| 17:46.11 | rubiks | torrent |
| 17:46.12 | _Monkey | torrent is probably slow shit |
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| 17:46.35 | rubiks | app for n800 |
| 17:46.55 | rubiks | under system? or communication? |
| 17:48.17 | SmackPotat | anybody know anything about tslib |
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| 17:49.13 | rubiks | which torrent app is good for n800? |
| 17:50.13 | hugol1 | rubiks: Ive seen a soulseek client for n800 arround but not torrent |
| 17:50.30 | rubiks | hum... |
| 17:50.44 | hugol1 | rubiks: though you really want your n800 to handle the torrent downloads? |
| 17:50.45 | rubiks | thanks, i will look into that |
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| 17:50.54 | rubiks | nope |
| 17:50.58 | rubiks | lol |
| 17:51.16 | hugol1 | then? |
| 17:51.52 | rubiks | just looking for an app 2 see if will handle it |
| 17:53.38 | hugol1 | why the n800 doesnt mount what its at fstab automatically? |
| 17:56.42 | hugol1 | never mind, my fault |
| 17:57.03 | SmackPotat | there is a command line torrent client somewhere |
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| 17:58.29 | rubiks | where at? |
| 17:58.35 | rubiks | searching |
| 17:58.39 | rubiks | ... |
| 17:59.14 | hugol1 | how can I make the n800 run a script everytime it connects to a network? |
| 17:59.19 | hugol1 | wifi |
| 18:00.50 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: You could have it parse dbus-monitor's output and look for the icd signals emitted upon connection. |
| 18:01.29 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop. |
| 18:01.43 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: That's a question for #bash, I suspec. |
| 18:01.50 | _|Nix|_ | s/\.$/t./ |
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| 18:02.30 | hugol1 | _|Nix|_: I c, never touched dbus, puts me off |
| 18:02.45 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: dbus-monitor is a console binary. |
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| 18:03.23 | _|Nix|_ | dbus-monitor | while read ; do if analyze_what_you_read_and_see_if_it_is_interesting; then run_my_script; done |
| 18:03.38 | _|Nix|_ | s/done/; fi; done |
| 18:03.45 | _|Nix|_ | /say/ |
| 18:03.47 | _|Nix|_ | Gah! |
| 18:04.39 | hugol1 | _|Nix|_: then whats the problem? |
| 18:04.50 | _|Nix|_ | None, really. |
| 18:06.31 | hugol1 | (19:01:29) _|Nix|_: hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop. <- then? |
| 18:06.48 | _|Nix|_ | Oh, that. |
| 18:07.01 | _|Nix|_ | Ask #bash. I'd be interested in knowing, too. |
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| 18:11.22 | SmackPotat | anyone know anything about tslib or the touchscreen in general |
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| 18:24.49 | _|Nix|_ | Well, the only difference between building ssl-nss.so on Chinook vs. Gregale is -lrt ... what is -lrt? |
| 18:25.51 | _|Nix|_ | Aha! glibc-2.3 vs. 2.5 ... |
| 18:26.36 | timelyx | what's ssl-nss? |
| 18:27.46 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: libpurple's ssl-via-nss plugin. |
| 18:27.55 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: As opposed to ssl-gnutls.so |
| 18:28.02 | zerojay | Messing with Pidgin? |
| 18:28.05 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: ... which I'm trying to phase out. |
| 18:28.12 | _|Nix|_ | zerojay: Trying to roll 2.3.0 |
| 18:28.29 | _|Nix|_ | zerojay: I've been told that gnutls is deprecated in favour of nss. |
| 18:28.30 | rubiks | p2p nicotine |
| 18:28.41 | _|Nix|_ | So, I'm trying to build without gnutls. |
| 18:28.53 | zerojay | _|Nix|_: I'd help if I could. |
| 18:28.53 | _|Nix|_ | Works fine, but only on Chinook. |
| 18:29.12 | rubiks | is it good? |
| 18:29.30 | _|Nix|_ | Looks like glibc-2.3 doesn't have the facility to load .sos from non-standard paths. |
| 18:30.11 | _|Nix|_ | I might have to hack it for Bora and Gregale: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/microb-engine run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/pidgin |
| 18:31.01 | timelyx | err |
| 18:31.07 | timelyx | that's bogus |
| 18:31.54 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: It's either that, or the gregale armel scratchbox has a crappy libtool that doesn't know how to build .sos such that they request non-standard paths upon loading. |
| 18:32.09 | _|Nix|_ | ... for their dependent .sos. |
| 18:32.34 | timelyx | that's considerably more likely :) |
| 18:33.06 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: Well, I'm reluctant to mess with my build env for fear of never again being able to build anything for pre-Chinook. |
| 18:33.25 | _|Nix|_ | I suppose I could back the whole thing up - again. |
| 18:33.31 | _|Nix|_ | Oooh ... not a bad idea ... |
| 18:33.37 | timelyx | backup? |
| 18:33.40 | timelyx | how reckless |
| 18:34.06 | hugol1 | I have a curious bug, once I start the radio on my nokia n800 if I press stop, all the music stops, not only the radio. I have to leave the radio on with the volume to 0 in order to hear the rest of the programs |
| 18:34.12 | hugol1 | *music programs |
| 18:34.23 | hugol1 | is a known bug? |
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| 18:34.43 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: What if you quit the radio? |
| 18:35.12 | hugol1 | _|Nix|_: im using the widget (or whatever its called on n800) |
| 18:35.15 | hugol1 | so its allways there |
| 18:35.41 | zerojay | Why would you be listening to music at the same time as the radio? |
| 18:35.51 | _|Nix|_ | hugol1: Assuming you mean the desktop applet, can you not turn it off from the home menu. |
| 18:35.54 | _|Nix|_ | ? |
| 18:36.48 | hugol1 | zerojay: I wont, but once I have heard some radio and then I press stop, If I open kagu or other music program the musci wont sound (it plays but I get no sound) unless I turn on the radio. |
| 18:37.17 | hugol1 | the solution now is to leave the radio on with radio sound to 0 |
| 18:37.24 | zerojay | I remember hearing something about this before. |
| 18:37.38 | hugol1 | _|Nix|_: let me try to turn off the desktop applet |
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| 18:39.34 | zerojay | Odd.. for some reason, my contacts were imported and a lot of the Jabber contacts were marked as Google Talk contacts instead and since I don't have a google talk account, they don't show up with any presence. |
| 18:39.37 | zerojay | Very odd. |
| 18:40.32 | hugol1 | _|Nix|_: if I make the radio fm desktop applet go away the kagu music stops playing |
| 18:40.48 | hugol1 | I have to make it show again and press play to get back kagu music |
| 18:40.53 | _|Nix|_ | Wow! |
| 18:40.55 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: btw, you may wish to examine rpath |
| 18:41.17 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: Probably. |
| 18:41.18 | _Monkey | rumour has it probably is :-) |
| 18:41.29 | timelyx | _Monkey forget probably |
| 18:41.30 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot probably |
| 18:41.33 | timelyx | _Monkey probably is <reply> |
| 18:41.34 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 18:41.46 | hugol1 | guess right now 2007 development has stoped and everything is going onto 2008 right? |
| 18:42.08 | hugol1 | any aproximate date on a oficial 2008 release for the n800? |
| 18:42.13 | timelyx | what do you mean by development |
| 18:42.23 | timelyx | hugol1: this year, or within 100 weeks |
| 18:42.26 | timelyx | one or the other |
| 18:44.07 | hugol1 | timelyx: thanks, very helpfull |
| 18:44.10 | hugol1 | hehe |
| 18:46.09 | _|Nix|_ | Wow! This is crazy ... I'm getting rid of my old scratchbox and my free space is slowly creeping back up ... |
| 18:46.25 | _|Nix|_ | 0.1GB every, like, 3 seconds. |
| 18:46.39 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.05 | _|Nix|_ | I'm not shocked. Merely observing how much overhead it is to delete many small files. |
| 18:47.21 | timelyx | zfs destroy :) |
| 18:47.25 | timelyx | much faster |
| 18:47.48 | _|Nix|_ | I think it just jumped over my rootstraps ... |
| 18:48.29 | _|Nix|_ | Boy ... still at it. |
| 18:49.27 | timelyx | zfs ;-) |
| 18:49.53 | _|Nix|_ | Someday, perhaps. But not today. |
| 18:51.13 | _|Nix|_ | Woah! Didn't even know scratchbox used ccache ... no wonder there are many small files ... |
| 18:51.17 | _|Nix|_ | How do I clear that? |
| 18:51.32 | _|Nix|_ | Can I simply rm -rf /scratchbox/ccache? |
| 18:53.23 | timelyx | probably |
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| 18:53.31 | timelyx | ccache should be fairly optional :) |
| 18:55.25 | _|Nix|_ | find | grep -E '[0-9a-f]{30}-[0-9][0-9]*(\.stderr)?$' | xargs rm |
| 18:55.41 | _|Nix|_ | Hope it doesn't break it. |
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| 19:12.41 | ol_schoola | hmmm, n800 with 2008 has no sound, control panel indicates "All Sounds Muted" |
| 19:12.49 | ol_schoola | cannot unmute for the life of me |
| 19:13.07 | ol_schoola | my brother was in town and played with it for a while |
| 19:13.40 | ol_schoola | speaker icon on desktop has red line through it |
| 19:14.29 | zerojay | I can help you with that. |
| 19:14.36 | hugol1 | ol_schoola: kill your brother first |
| 19:14.39 | hugol1 | ;) |
| 19:14.47 | zerojay | Click on the speaker icon in your status bar to bring up the volume control. |
| 19:14.58 | zerojay | Now, click directly on the speaker icon to the left of the volume bar. |
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| 19:16.04 | ol_schoola | omg, i hadn't tried poking the icon on that list, ty |
| 19:16.35 | zerojay | It's not obvious. :) |
| 19:16.55 | ol_schoola | not exactly, but i should have tried that |
| 19:17.02 | zerojay | Worked? |
| 19:17.14 | ol_schoola | yeah, perfect |
| 19:17.18 | zerojay | Great/ |
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| 19:17.59 | ol_schoola | now i can actually listen to mp3 goodness on the new 8gb external |
| 19:18.09 | ol_schoola | FLAC supported? |
| 19:18.26 | zerojay | Don't think so. |
| 19:19.58 | ol_schoola | i tried ukmp on 2008, crashes quite often |
| 19:20.45 | ol_schoola | won't even start for me most of thew time |
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| 19:25.00 | zerojay | I find all those media players to be a pain. |
| 19:25.30 | zerojay | They all act like all you should be doing is listening to music and nothing else. |
| 19:25.48 | zerojay | And the interfaces are all weird so you don't know how to do anything because it doesn't follow any convention. |
| 19:26.40 | K`zan | Yep... |
| 19:26.47 | hugol1 | zerojay: so you use? |
| 19:26.56 | zerojay | Anyone happen to know if lsof runs on the tablets? |
| 19:27.04 | zerojay | hugol1: Media Player. |
| 19:27.05 | _Monkey | i heard media player was the only app running |
| 19:27.46 | hugol1 | zerojay: MPlayer or the original n800 media player? |
| 19:27.58 | hugol1 | monteslu: kagu works fine here |
| 19:28.01 | zerojay | The original N800 media player, which is called Media Player. |
| 19:28.15 | zerojay | _Monkey forget media player |
| 19:28.16 | _Monkey | zerojay: I forgot media player |
| 19:28.26 | zerojay | change die? |
| 19:28.27 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
| 19:28.28 | zerojay | :) |
| 19:28.33 | zerojay | Die bitch. |
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| 19:28.50 | GeneralAntilles | I've grown a bit fond of UKMP. |
| 19:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's a nice front-end to mplayer, in any case. |
| 19:30.00 | zerojay | If Media Player would show album art, play oggs and allow you to scrobble to last.fm.. it would be pretty much perfect for me. |
| 19:31.36 | zerojay | Album art's not that important.. oggs are important (though not to me personally) and last.fm is important (personally). |
| 19:31.57 | hugol1 | zerojay: I found art is important as well |
| 19:32.00 | zerojay | Ah... lsof comes on the tablet already. |
| 19:32.00 | hugol1 | *find |
| 19:32.07 | hugol1 | it lets you find things easily |
| 19:32.24 | zerojay | I've never used album art to find things. |
| 19:32.39 | zerojay | It's just something nice to have shown, that's all. |
| 19:32.57 | GeneralAntilles | Having grown up in these digital days, album art is pretty meaningless to me. ;) |
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| 19:33.28 | zerojay | Not that big a deal to me either. |
| 19:34.42 | zerojay | I think I might extend Maemoscrobbler to also grab Media Player stuff too. |
| 19:34.50 | zerojay | Without needing anything added to Media Player. |
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| 19:40.51 | czr | should it be Media player btw? |
| 19:41.04 | czr | yes it should |
| 19:41.25 | zerojay | Should what be Media player? |
| 19:41.41 | czr | the name of the sw that comes with the image :-) |
| 19:41.48 | czr | ie. s/Player/player/ :-) |
| 19:42.01 | zerojay | Nokia seems to like only using capitals for the first letter. I don't. :) |
| 19:42.14 | czr | yeah, it's somewhat weird |
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| 19:52.08 | Khertan | hi |
| 19:53.05 | BULLE | anyone here who can fill me in how video playback performance is on n800, from some reading on the mailinglist some time ago it seemed it was close to impossible or even impossible to get full framerate video working ( eg 30fps ) due do hardware issues, is that still true ?, and if, any clues if this issue has been solved for the n810 ? |
| 19:53.11 | czr | bleh, I always forget there's no ping nor telnet in the SDK |
| 19:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | BULLE: MPEG4 at 1200-1500Kbps at no more than 400x240 with MP3 audio. |
| 19:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | Works 100% every time. |
| 19:54.22 | BULLE | GeneralAntilles: and you can stretch that to fullscreen ? |
| 19:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | Of course. |
| 19:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | pixel doubling |
| 19:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | which means it's ultra fast. |
| 19:54.57 | BULLE | damn, you shouldnt have told me that |
| 19:55.07 | BULLE | now i feel an urge to buy an n810 |
| 19:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | erm, why? |
| 19:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Which has exactly the same video performance |
| 19:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | Get the N800 from buy.com |
| 19:55.33 | GeneralAntilles | The N810 doesn't have nearly the same amount of storage. |
| 19:55.44 | BULLE | GeneralAntilles: from what i read on the net, n810 has 400mhz cpu, n800 does what, 330 ? |
| 19:55.49 | BULLE | i thought that would help, a little |
| 19:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | 400Mhz |
| 19:56.00 | GeneralAntilles | They're almost exactly the same hardware |
| 19:56.18 | GeneralAntilles | different screen, keyboard, GPS and 1 microSD versus two fullsize SD. |
| 19:56.20 | Khertan | n |
| 19:56.21 | sxpert | the keyboard & gps is what attracts me to the 810. |
| 19:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | GPS is garbage |
| 19:56.33 | sxpert | like 2G of storage is sufficient |
| 19:56.35 | BULLE | i have no need for the gps stuff, but the keyboard seems nice to have |
| 19:56.35 | Khertan | n810 and n800 have dynamic clocking cpu |
| 19:56.59 | Khertan | and reading a video switch to 330Mhz for optimizing ration for the DSP |
| 19:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | sxpert, more like 300MB, 1.7 is maps. ;) |
| 19:57.11 | Khertan | s/ration/ratio |
| 19:57.29 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, see the thing is that I make MY OWN maps |
| 19:57.33 | BULLE | Khertan: oh, so even teh n810 will clock down to 330mhz when doing video, to get optimal dsp performance ? |
| 19:57.44 | Khertan | BULLE: yes |
| 19:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | Right, BULLE, they're exactly the same hardware. |
| 19:58.05 | Khertan | but i found video better than on my Palm TX .. |
| 19:58.10 | Khertan | on n800 |
| 19:58.15 | Khertan | (still not have n810) |
| 19:58.32 | BULLE | hmm, so either i buy an n800 for roughly 2300sek, now, or wait and buy a n810 in a few weeks for roughly 4000sek |
| 19:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | Get the N800. |
| 19:58.48 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, so I don't give a rats' ass about the integrated maps from hell |
| 19:59.03 | BULLE | yes, the n800 seems to be the better deal, if you take price into account |
| 19:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, unless you're planning on using the device outdoors a lot |
| 19:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | as the N810 has a transflective screen. |
| 19:59.10 | BULLE | gps is no issue |
| 19:59.15 | BULLE | oh, |
| 19:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | sxpert, you make maps for everywhere you travel? :\ |
| 19:59.31 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, yes, will be perfect for going out and map shit |
| 19:59.40 | hugol1 | BULLE: you can get a bluetooth gps an leave it in the car, and a external gps will allways have better performance |
| 19:59.46 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, I'm one of those OpenStreetMap lunatics |
| 19:59.46 | BULLE | hugol1: yes |
| 19:59.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, crazy person. :P ;) |
| 19:59.57 | BULLE | hugol1: and then use it with my cellphone aswell if i want |
| 20:00.05 | hugol1 | BULLE: yes |
| 20:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | Thank god for 3g. |
| 20:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | Saves me from paying Atlanta's ridiculous fees for Wifi. :D |
| 20:00.29 | hugol1 | BULLE: I just got the n800 2 days ago and im loving it |
| 20:01.11 | BULLE | hugol1: how much did you pay ? |
| 20:01.40 | hugol1 | 230 euros plus taxes, but you know... this is europe and we pay more |
| 20:01.50 | BULLE | hugol1: im living in europe aswell |
| 20:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:01.58 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: What's libplds4.so? Is it something nss loads? |
| 20:01.59 | hugol1 | I saw americans get it for 230 dollars... |
| 20:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's what you get for all that socialist garbage. :P |
| 20:02.02 | BULLE | hugol1: seems i can order one for about 230 euros including taxes here |
| 20:02.17 | BULLE | hugol1: ye, thats ridicilously cheap, but i guess its mainly because the dollar is worth close to nothing right now |
| 20:02.21 | hugol1 | BULLE: where you from? |
| 20:02.25 | BULLE | hugol1: sweden |
| 20:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | $190 USD from buy.com right now. |
| 20:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | BULLE, the dollar being worth less should make imported stuff cost more. ;) |
| 20:02.49 | hugol1 | BULLE: yes, but hardware companys should realice 1 dollar is not 1 euro |
| 20:02.49 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: Aha. It's not present on Bora, but it's present on Chinook under /usr/lib/microb-engine |
| 20:03.10 | keesj | incredible! so much great hardware for a little price I would say |
| 20:03.31 | BULLE | GeneralAntilles: 190 usd, do buy.com even ship to europe ? |
| 20:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | Nope. |
| 20:03.39 | BULLE | dunno if its worth the extra time |
| 20:03.49 | BULLE | so i would have to order my us slave to buy one, and then mail it to me |
| 20:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeppers. ;) |
| 20:03.57 | czr | hmm. within sbox, does apt-get do getent using the sdk /etc/resolv.conf or the real host /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:04.19 | hugol1 | 190 dollars? thats like 120 euros... I payed 230. I feel riped off now |
| 20:04.46 | hugol1 | someone should start bringing n800 from america, its a business |
| 20:05.01 | keesj | 230 is also a good price for such hardware IMHO |
| 20:05.19 | BULLE | hugol1: i guess you might run into problems with warranty and stuff |
| 20:05.55 | BULLE | yet another question, ipsec is no harder to get working on an n800 then its on a normal linux distribution ? |
| 20:06.15 | BULLE | eg, just an ipsec tunnel to get access to servers from outside home |
| 20:09.34 | keesj | by default I don't think iptables are compiled into the kernel and I guess it's required . |
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| 20:18.37 | eichi | hello i cant install camera cause of an conflict with a gstreamer package and i cant use knips, it doenst work correct |
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| 20:28.21 | GNUton | hi |
| 20:28.21 | _Monkey | what's up, GNUton |
| 20:30.21 | GNUton | _Monkey: hello bot! |
| 20:30.21 | _Monkey | GNUton: i'm not following you... |
| 20:30.32 | GNUton | _Monkey: mmm |
| 20:30.33 | _Monkey | GNUton: huh? |
| 20:30.41 | GNUton | _Monkey: are you a stupid bot? |
| 20:30.41 | _Monkey | gnuton: no idea |
| 20:30.50 | zerojay | change bot? |
| 20:30.51 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
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| 20:32.38 | czr | damn apt-get |
| 20:32.55 | czr | I'm trying to divert repository.maemo.org to a local mirror server |
| 20:33.13 | czr | (without touching the original sources.list) |
| 20:36.28 | GNUton | what's up, _Monkey |
| 20:36.28 | _Monkey | gnuton: no idea |
| 20:36.31 | GNUton | what's up, _Monkey |
| 20:36.31 | _Monkey | i don't know, gnuton |
| 20:36.33 | GNUton | what's up, _Monkey |
| 20:36.33 | _Monkey | gnuton: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 20:36.46 | GNUton | change bot? |
| 20:36.46 | _Monkey | GNUton: that doesn't look right |
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| 20:40.01 | czr | how is it possible for me to see external dns traffic hitting my dns server from a sbox setup if sbox setup has no nameservers in resolv.conf at all? |
| 20:40.15 | czr | doing apt-get update within sbox. it somehow manages to pull out the dns server from somewhere.. |
| 20:41.02 | czr | argh. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:41.20 | czr | lucky me there were only 4 resolv.confs on the system.. |
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| 20:59.11 | hugol1 | btw, the bug where you have to be playing the radio to listen music only happens when the headphones are pluged |
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| 20:59.29 | czr | hugol1, which bug? |
| 20:59.46 | czr | yay. repository.maemo.org diversion works now. |
| 20:59.49 | czr | "whee" |
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| 21:03.55 | xand | is there a way of swapping the return and enter keys on an external keyboard? |
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| 21:16.28 | Khertan | arg ... maemo vmware sdk sucks a lot |
| 21:17.04 | Khertan | no ifconfig |
| 21:17.07 | Khertan | no network |
| 21:17.10 | Khertan | no ping |
| 21:17.13 | Khertan | no telnet |
| 21:17.14 | Khertan | pfffff |
| 21:18.49 | czr | Khertan, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:19.00 | K`zan | Is it possible to have multiple user accounts on the n800? |
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| 21:19.07 | czr | Khertan, also define "no network" |
| 21:19.18 | czr | K`zan, why? |
| 21:19.25 | K`zan | Just wondering... |
| 21:19.26 | czr | K`zan, there's no GUI support for that. |
| 21:19.33 | K`zan | Ah, OK, thanks. |
| 21:19.35 | czr | and there's no way to switch between the users when booting. |
| 21:19.38 | czr | so no. |
| 21:19.45 | K`zan | Ok, understand. |
| 21:20.04 | czr | K`zan, you don't have user profiles on mobile mp3-players or mobile phones either :-) |
| 21:20.13 | czr | or rather, different users. profiles maybe. but for different use. |
| 21:20.43 | K`zan | True, was just wondering since it is linux :). Can do that on the cli though. |
| 21:22.04 | Khertan | czr > can't make an apt-get |
| 21:22.07 | Khertan | update |
| 21:22.17 | czr | Khertan, what's the error? |
| 21:22.24 | Khertan | don't know why as ifconfig and ping doesn't work |
| 21:22.34 | czr | Khertan, also, does inet work from the host? (ie, not within sbox) |
| 21:22.41 | czr | did you try /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 21:23.09 | czr | lack of ping is a problem. but you can use wget http://name-or-ip/ to test |
| 21:23.16 | Khertan | ls : command not found |
| 21:23.17 | Khertan | huhu |
| 21:23.18 | Khertan | !! |
| 21:23.23 | czr | that's not good :-) |
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| 21:23.32 | Khertan | hum ... i think all the image is corrupted |
| 21:23.33 | czr | that's the "official" vmware image? |
| 21:23.43 | Khertan | i ll try do download it again |
| 21:23.45 | czr | don't they distribute an md5sum or smt to verify it? |
| 21:24.03 | czr | Khertan, also, what did you use to download? |
| 21:24.06 | czr | http or torrent? |
| 21:24.24 | Khertan | torrent |
| 21:24.24 | _Monkey | torrent is slow shit |
| 21:24.37 | Khertan | as http was available when i try to download it |
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| 21:25.12 | czr | odds of the torrent corrupting _while_ downloading is very small |
| 21:25.32 | czr | doesn't mean the original image is working, but the odds of the transfer itself corrupting your copy is near impossible |
| 21:25.48 | czr | nearly even. |
| 21:27.21 | Khertan | czr > as torrent download are made on an other network then copied on my dev machine ... |
| 21:27.37 | czr | Khertan, have you ever used md5sum or shasum? |
| 21:27.43 | Khertan | it s could be between the last transfer |
| 21:27.58 | _|Nix|_ | timelyx: Thanks for the rpath idea ... that was it. |
| 21:28.10 | Khertan | i was looking for the url of the vmware image site :) |
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| 21:29.48 | Khertan | there is no md5 or sha for checksum |
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| 21:30.15 | Khertan | i ll download it again and try later |
| 21:30.28 | Khertan | thx for your help czr :) |
| 21:30.32 | Khertan | good night :) |
| 21:30.37 | czr | night |
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| 21:33.08 | czr | tsavola, ping? |
| 21:34.35 | tsavola | hohoo |
| 21:34.37 | tsavola | ! |
| 21:35.29 | czr | tsavola, are you the proper person to bug about sb-menu "bugs"? |
| 21:35.33 | czr | :-) |
| 21:36.01 | czr | or, maybe I should just be quiet :-) |
| 21:36.04 | tsavola | czr: no |
| 21:36.13 | czr | tsavola, maemo bugilla, right? |
| 21:36.19 | tsavola | czr: scratchbox bugzilla |
| 21:36.23 | czr | ah, ok. |
| 21:36.45 | tsavola | czr: and if you really want something done about it, bug jumpula |
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| 21:40.55 | czr | hmm. is there a virtual package that I can install to pull all of the sdk that is normally installed with the automatic script (except nokia binaries) |
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| 21:48.30 | czr | eww. apt-cache segfaults :_) |
| 21:48.33 | czr | :-) even. |
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| 21:54.21 | GNUton | re |
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| 22:01.33 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: nspr=portable runtime, ds=datastructures, there's also a libc like thing |
| 22:01.49 | timelyx | nss is allowed to depend on all three |
| 22:02.25 | timelyx | _|Nix|_: odd that we didn't include it. probably buggable |
| 22:02.27 | _|Nix|_ | Well, it looks like nss and nspr are independent on our platform. |
| 22:02.44 | _|Nix|_ | So, libpurple needs to depend on both. |
| 22:02.44 | czr | timelyx, doing apt-get install now from local repo. |
| 22:02.55 | czr | timelyx, you can guess whether it's been a smooth ride so far ;-) |
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| 22:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Any word on what the limits are for h.264 under OS2008? |
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| 22:07.16 | timelyx | _Monkey forget torent |
| 22:07.16 | _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching torent |
| 22:07.19 | timelyx | _Monkey torent is <reply> |
| 22:07.20 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
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| 22:27.43 | twpear | Hi. I am very new to Maemo - A friend has a Nokia N800 which impressed me greatly |
| 22:27.59 | twpear | so much that I will be getting one (or perhaps the N810) |
| 22:28.23 | twpear | has anyone attempted to port/install Maemo to anything like an iPaq? |
| 22:28.53 | czr | twpear, maemo is the development environment for the internet tablets |
| 22:29.00 | czr | i.e., it is missing most of the sw that you see on N800 |
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| 22:29.16 | twpear | yes, that'd be OS2008 ? |
| 22:29.19 | czr | what you probably mean is whether the whole internet tablet environment has been ported to ipaq, right? |
| 22:29.24 | czr | yeah |
| 22:29.35 | twpear | a little of both actually - but I appreciate the clarification |
| 22:29.46 | twpear | so Maemo, I assume, includes the kernel ? |
| 22:29.48 | czr | it should be possible, but it's not going to be easy |
| 22:29.53 | czr | maemo does not include the kernel |
| 22:29.57 | twpear | ahha |
| 22:30.01 | czr | it doesn't contain most of the system software either |
| 22:30.07 | czr | also some components on ITs are proprietary |
| 22:30.19 | twpear | so it's just a framework to provide the SDK ? |
| 22:30.28 | czr | more or less yes. |
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| 22:30.44 | czr | depends on interpretation but you get the point of it |
| 22:30.57 | twpear | OK. So I';m definatly going to need Maemo if I want to write any apps fror my future N8[01]0 |
| 22:31.07 | czr | I've infact yet to see exact definition of maemo :-). so YMMV :-) |
| 22:31.14 | czr | twpear, yes |
| 22:31.22 | czr | you'll need the maemo SDK |
| 22:31.37 | czr | that's where you write your programs and build them. and then you test them on the device. the SDK is not an device emulator. |
| 22:32.08 | czr | you can also test X86 versions of your programs in the SDK, but not the ARM ones |
| 22:32.12 | sven-tek2 | i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08 ? |
| 22:32.17 | czr | so depending on what you do, it might be enough.. |
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| 22:33.15 | twpear | czr- thanks. Any idea where I may find sources for OS2008 (those that are "free" atleast) so I can begin porting attempts (I plan to use soe concepts from Handhelds.org etc) |
| 22:33.39 | sven-tek2 | at repository.maemo.org ? |
| 22:33.39 | czr | twpear, well, a lot of that stuff is available in maemo SDK / repositories.maemo.org |
| 22:34.03 | Bodhammer | Are there any plans to port libsigsegv to Maemo? |
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| 22:34.21 | czr | twpear, you might want to go through the maemo-dev mailing list archives as well, there's been various discussions about varios ports before |
| 22:34.35 | twpear | kewl |
| 22:34.57 | czr | twpear, and if you're serious about investing time in the port, do introduce yourself and the project, I'm sure there are people who'd be interested in it |
| 22:36.15 | twpear | the repository looks to not have source |
| 22:36.47 | czr | twpear, it does |
| 22:37.01 | czr | twpear, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/ |
| 22:37.27 | twpear | ahh, it's a debian-esque repository |
| 22:37.43 | czr | yup. debtools are used in the SDK and the devices |
| 22:37.47 | twpear | I went to the root (repositor.maemo.org) and saw a webpage which pointed me into the bins, lol |
| 22:38.02 | czr | twpear, yeah, the index.html isn't really good at pointing all the stuff :-) |
| 22:38.10 | czr | the links are for dists only, not pool |
| 22:38.13 | K`zan | czr: Just FWIW, ubuntu is busily being a problem. Completedly blew setting up the network and I have at least two screen resolutions, one for KDM and another for the desktop, still trying to resolve that one :). |
| 22:38.18 | czr | the sources are in the same dirs as the binary packages |
| 22:38.40 | czr | K`zan, youre using the vmware image? |
| 22:38.53 | K`zan | No, Installed off the DVD Image. |
| 22:38.57 | czr | K`zan, ah |
| 22:39.10 | czr | please try to copy-paste exact error messages and issues into a file |
| 22:39.14 | K`zan | Very strange, but then again, it is ubuntu :). |
| 22:39.20 | czr | that way you can help pin-point the problem and help people help you :-) |
| 22:39.25 | czr | ubuntu works just fine here. |
| 22:39.40 | K`zan | LOL, ubuntu doesn't like me :-) :-) :-). |
| 22:40.33 | K`zan | I end up with a screen for login that is 1500x1400 or something and then when I login I get the 1024x768 I want sorta in the middle of it. |
| 22:41.06 | K`zan | Changed xorg.conf, so there must be one for kdm someplace else that gets loaded on login. |
| 22:41.16 | twpear | is there a package list conveniently anywhere - i.e. I have a running kernel for the iPaq (well, mostly) so it "should" just be a matter of cross-compiling some apps (such as X11 or whatever maemo uses in its stead, window manager etc. etc.) |
| 22:42.05 | twpear | so knowing what packages make up OS2008 would really help - unless it's "all of them" |
| 22:42.34 | czr | twpear, find someone with OS2008 and ask them to do dpkg -l on the device :-) |
| 22:43.29 | twpear | lol - ok - tks guys, looks like I'll atleast have to wait until the finance comittee "wife" approves the N800 to go further :-) |
| 22:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | buy.com, twpear |
| 22:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | $190 |
| 22:44.17 | twpear | Canada !! |
| 22:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 22:44.24 | twpear | the border charges will kill me |
| 22:44.25 | twpear | ;-) |
| 22:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Go throw yourself into one of your colder bodies of water, then. :P |
| 22:44.43 | twpear | that said, I'm in the US in early Dec ... can I wait that long |
| 22:44.47 | twpear | lol |
| 22:45.02 | |R | twpear : ncix.com pricematched from shopbot.ca |
| 22:45.13 | twpear | they are out of stock there |
| 22:45.22 | twpear | according to their site.. |
| 22:45.33 | twpear | I've seen it for 260 here in stock |
| 22:45.41 | |R | twpear : you just missed the 245$ sale :) |
| 22:45.57 | |R | but considering they sold 30 in like 15 hours... |
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| 22:46.04 | |R | i'm sure they'll be getting some more |
| 22:46.06 | doc|home | twpear: heh, I did the same thing :) |
| 22:46.14 | twpear | lol |
| 22:47.04 | twpear | wow - the NCIX price is now $329.99 |
| 22:47.13 | |R | twpear : no... do a search on the side bar |
| 22:47.20 | |R | there are 2 other listed at 270 or something |
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| 22:49.15 | twpear | ahh, listed as Nokia E-Series, hahahah |
| 22:50.26 | Bodhammer | I have done the following in an attempt to port Clisp to Chinook. |
| 22:50.26 | Bodhammer | Dev environment is Debian Etch, installed OS2008 environement as per http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.htm. |
| 22:50.26 | Bodhammer | apt-get update |
| 22:50.26 | Bodhammer | apt-get upgrade |
| 22:50.26 | Bodhammer | target is sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL |
| 22:50.27 | Bodhammer | unpaked clisp-2.41.orig (last good ARM port) as per debian.org |
| 22:50.29 | Bodhammer | ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv (as per warning on first ./configure) |
| 22:50.31 | Bodhammer | cd src |
| 22:50.33 | Bodhammer | ./makemake > Makefile |
| 22:50.35 | Bodhammer | make config.lisp |
| 22:50.37 | Bodhammer | vi config.lisp |
| 22:50.39 | Bodhammer | make |
| 22:50.41 | Bodhammer | above was message from ./configure |
| 22:50.43 | Bodhammer | I'm getting the following error message from make: |
| 22:50.45 | Bodhammer | ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)" |
| 22:50.48 | Bodhammer | qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting |
| 22:50.50 | Bodhammer | make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 252 |
| 22:50.50 | elb | holy crap |
| 22:50.52 | Bodhammer | suggestions on where to go from here? |
| 22:51.06 | elb | start by finding a nopaste next time :-P |
| 22:51.25 | Bodhammer | oops, don't chat much, sorry |
| 22:51.37 | twpear | Dell has a $25 discount on right now |
| 22:53.25 | K`zan | Might have found it, checking... |
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| 22:57.25 | Bodhammer | elb - here ya go:http://nopaste.codersnet.org/pastes.php?view=124 |
| 22:57.58 | elb | you already pasted it here |
| 22:58.04 | elb | just don't do it in the future |
| 22:58.14 | elb | qemu is known to have emulation bugs, you may be hitting one |
| 23:00.52 | czr | hmm. how do I extract preinst and postinst scripts from a deb? |
| 23:01.03 | tsavola | dpkg-deb -x |
| 23:01.25 | czr | tsavola, that's the same as dpkg -x, right? |
| 23:01.33 | czr | hmm. tsavola you have sdk 4.0 around? |
| 23:01.48 | tsavola | czr: i think that's the correct one :) |
| 23:01.49 | tsavola | czr: no |
| 23:02.05 | czr | hmm. I'll try dpkg-deb as well, but I think dpkg -x is a frontend for that anyway |
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| 23:02.45 | tsavola | i'm usually lazy and write "file-roller foo.deb" and clickety-click a lot |
| 23:03.04 | czr | hmm. give me a sec, I'll give you a deb and you can say what you think of it |
| 23:03.12 | tsavola | uh |
| 23:03.23 | czr | you'll like it, promise. |
| 23:03.26 | tsavola | ok |
| 23:03.37 | czr | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-repository/maemo-repository_0.1_all.deb |
| 23:03.39 | fysa | has anyone gotten synergy working? i.e., move the mouse off the bottom of my desktop display, have it appear on the N800? |
| 23:03.41 | czr | check the description first |
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| 23:05.00 | tsavola | czr: ok |
| 23:05.04 | tsavola | czr: what about it? |
| 23:05.49 | czr | tsavola, does the description in any way correspond to what the package actually does? :-) |
| 23:06.13 | czr | ahh. there is a postinst script! |
| 23:06.15 | tsavola | czr: yes? |
| 23:06.27 | czr | yes indeed. I feel like a monkey now |
| 23:06.34 | K`zan | whew, ubuntu is blowing up all over the place, verified md5 and the media, damnifiknow - gonna reinstall. |
| 23:06.43 | tsavola | :) |
| 23:06.51 | czr | tsavola, but -x didn't extract the scripts though |
| 23:06.58 | tsavola | ok |
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| 23:07.12 | tsavola | czr: file-roller does :) |
| 23:07.23 | tsavola | fire-loller |
| 23:07.23 | czr | tsavola, dpkg-deb --control path-to-deb.deb out-dir-path |
| 23:07.36 | czr | fire-lol :-) |
| 23:07.45 | tsavola | lol! |
| 23:08.02 | czr | well fired |
| 23:08.19 | czr | I still think the description is misleading. s/provides/generates/. |
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| 23:08.30 | tsavola | you care? |
| 23:08.36 | czr | of course |
| 23:09.24 | czr | tsavola, any idea why 4.0 still is using rootstrap though? |
| 23:10.51 | tsavola | czr: why not? |
| 23:11.01 | czr | tsavola, apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev |
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| 23:11.12 | tsavola | the difference = ? |
| 23:11.19 | czr | I'm trying to figure out really |
| 23:11.26 | czr | since the rootstrap doesn't contain the complete SDK anyway |
| 23:11.33 | czr | so I'm thinking why they bother using one at all |
| 23:11.55 | tsavola | well it's certainly faster to create a new target out of a rootstrap than to download it all again |
| 23:12.14 | czr | tsavola, the diff isn't significant |
| 23:12.18 | czr | so much of the SDK is downloaded |
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| 23:12.25 | czr | and the repo webserver has "no-cache" set. |
| 23:12.28 | czr | so :-) |
| 23:12.39 | tsavola | i don't acutally know anything about chinook |
| 23:12.47 | czr | yeah, don't worry |
| 23:13.02 | czr | I get the full install somewhere round 60 seconds with the apt-get way with local repo now |
| 23:13.13 | czr | so I'm wondering why they bother with the rootstraps |
| 23:13.26 | czr | since the rootstraps need separate maintenance |
| 23:13.32 | tsavola | people don't want to set up local repositories? |
| 23:13.42 | czr | s/don't want to/can't at the moment/ |
| 23:13.53 | tsavola | well i wouldn't want to |
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| 23:13.57 | czr | you're missing the point though. they'll have to download the rootstrap anyway |
| 23:14.05 | tsavola | there are two points :) |
| 23:14.13 | czr | maybe even three... :-) |
| 23:14.18 | tsavola | oh no! |
| 23:14.29 | tsavola | i'm going back to the other workspace -> |
| 23:14.33 | czr | yeah, now we ended up in a byzantine generals problem :-) |
| 23:14.47 | czr | or actually we just solved one. |
| 23:15.03 | tsavola | i don't see the irc window anymore! |
| 23:15.39 | K`zan | Starting to look like ubuntu 7.1 doesn't like vmware - very strange... |
| 23:16.30 | czr | K`zan, running fiesty here (7.10) in vmware. |
| 23:16.34 | czr | feisty even. |
| 23:19.21 | K`zan | Damnifiknow, gonna try one more time and see what happens. |
| 23:20.24 | czr | tsavola, why not? :-) |
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| 23:25.55 | tsavola | czr: i'm trying to work |
| 23:26.08 | tsavola | czr: that's why i didn't compulsively check back at the irc window |
| 23:26.10 | czr | tsavola, me too :-) |
| 23:26.19 | czr | you have odd times to work btw. |
| 23:26.21 | czr | I like it. |
| 23:26.25 | tsavola | not work work |
| 23:26.33 | czr | heh :-) |
| 23:26.37 | czr | "work"? :-) |
| 23:26.40 | tsavola | yes, work |
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| 23:31.16 | sven-tek2 | i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08? |
| 23:33.47 | czr | anyone around with sdk 4.0 installed? |
| 23:34.03 | maddler | czr: here... |
| 23:34.03 | _Monkey | here is a list: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned |
| 23:34.16 | czr | maddler, can you check whether you have e2fsprogs installed on the SDK? |
| 23:34.22 | czr | sven-tek2, you too :-) |
| 23:34.25 | maddler | lemme see... |
| 23:34.34 | czr | I'm trying to figure out wth pulled it in into my sdk |
| 23:34.58 | maddler | czr: nothing here... |
| 23:35.18 | sven-tek2 | iam able to apt-get it |
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| 23:35.34 | czr | maddler, ok. |
| 23:35.44 | czr | sven-tek2, but you don't have it already installed, right? |
| 23:35.51 | sven-tek2 | right |
| 23:35.51 | czr | if you don't, there's no reason to install it. |
| 23:35.56 | czr | thanks guys |
| 23:36.18 | maddler | czr: you are welcome... feel free to ask if you need smtg else... |
| 23:36.24 | czr | I will, don't worry. |
| 23:36.27 | czr | :-) |
| 23:38.15 | sven-tek2 | I'll begin to like chinook. Its very responsive. |
| 23:38.39 | czr | sven-tek2, you mean OS2008? |
| 23:38.45 | sven-tek2 | yes |
| 23:38.58 | czr | right. chinook is 4.0 sdk :-) |
| 23:39.20 | czr | and yes, OS2008 is pretty much nicer than 2k7 was |
| 23:39.36 | sven-tek2 | though sometimes the internet-menu button does not respond at all |
| 23:40.11 | sven-tek2 | i can here the click sound, but the menu does not open |
| 23:40.28 | sven-tek2 | here -> hear |
| 23:40.53 | czr | sven-tek2, you're running it on N810? |
| 23:41.00 | sven-tek2 | no n800 |
| 23:41.51 | czr | otherwise I'd told you to file a bug :-) |
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| 23:43.21 | sven-tek2 | perhaps i will file a bug for that huge menu |
| 23:44.14 | zerojay | sven-tek2: Yes, I've noticed the Internet globe button sometimes being VERY unresponsive, whereas the others are always more or less instant. |
| 23:44.16 | czr | try using it with your fingers |
| 23:44.45 | zerojay | Same either way. |
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| 23:45.02 | czr | meant the large menu :-) |
| 23:45.49 | sven-tek2 | on n800 you can use the cross to navigate through the menu |
| 23:45.58 | sven-tek2 | no need for fingers and big buttons |
| 23:46.17 | czr | try it right-handed |
| 23:46.30 | czr | or one-handed :-) |
| 23:46.41 | czr | anyhow, i was put off by the size as well, but gotten used to it |
| 23:46.59 | czr | and it's not a "bug" that will be fixed, so filing one won't get you anywhere |
| 23:47.14 | zerojay | Same here. I find I can get to what I want faster thanks to the fast scrolling speed. |
| 23:47.52 | sven-tek2 | no i managed to sort the menu so that most important things need no scrolling its ok - but i dislke it especially for the bookmarks |
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| 23:48.39 | zerojay | Damn, my Jabber server's got 180 accounts on it now. |
| 23:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 23:48.50 | zerojay | Not bad for.. a week? Week and a half? |
| 23:48.57 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 23:49.04 | zerojay | ~40 people active at any time. |
| 23:49.30 | K`zan | keep meaning to find out what this jabber thing is... |
| 23:49.33 | sven-tek2 | has anyone tried the sip in os2008? |
| 23:49.43 | zerojay | sven-tek2: I use it with my Gizmo account. |
| 23:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Now you just need to crack the whip on texrat to get him to clean up that godawful site design. :P |
| 23:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so do I, sven-tek2. |
| 23:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | Much better than OS2007 |
| 23:50.00 | zerojay | Hah.. he's in the middle of working on it. |
| 23:50.11 | zerojay | And we're accepting donations now |
| 23:50.32 | sven-tek2 | is there a echo test somewhere in the net? i entered my ekiga.net account, but ekigas 500@ekiga.net does not work with n800 |
| 23:50.56 | zerojay | Is that supposed to be a space in your account name? |
| 23:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTE1C4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTG6EA |
| 23:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Price is almost too low to be believed. |
| 23:52.29 | K`zan | Wait for shipping cost :) |
| 23:53.17 | maddler | TTL here... |
| 23:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | $18 total for 2 car and 2 wall |
| 23:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | I can swing that. ;) |
| 23:53.44 | maddler | GeneralAntilles: give a look at www.dealextreme.com :) |
| 23:55.03 | sven-tek2 | thanks i found the gpe for os2008 i can go to bed now instead of packaging it myself |
| 23:55.12 | sven-tek2 | bye ;-) |
| 23:56.28 | K`zan | Got to find a case for the n800, the one it comes with is useless. |
| 23:58.33 | deejoe | K`zan: I have a nice metal box that used to hold 28 jumbo size double six dominos. |
| 23:58.53 | deejoe | cost about 6 bucks at the local drug store |
| 23:59.20 | deejoe | it's slightly oversize for the n800, but with some internal padding, it's about right. |
| 23:59.34 | kf6gpe | K'zan: I've been very happy with a $20.00 or so case I got from eBay; just search "N800 case". Also, the small GameBoy DS suitcase-like cases work well as cases for carrying the unit, charger, cable, and so on. |
| 23:59.56 | K`zan | kf6gpe: rr tnx om! |