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| 00:03.58 | timeless | sp3000: ok, i'm very confused |
| 00:04.11 | timeless | if the url bar says %25 |
| 00:04.20 | timeless | the wire seems to only send % |
| 00:04.31 | sp3000 | from whom? |
| 00:04.50 | sp3000 | I hope you're not using something crazy like fx3 |
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| 00:10.54 | sp3000 | I think it eats one 25 on input and another on display :) |
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| 00:20.21 | pupnik | date |
| 00:20.46 | sp3000 | pe 23.11.2007 02:20:42 +0200 |
| 00:24.46 | pupnik | :/ |
| 00:27.53 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=UZlVotSGOto ITT's Reggie with jolly candy-like N810 |
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| 00:42.00 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 00:45.07 | pupnik | moo |
| 00:45.57 | penguinbait | bahhhhahhahah |
| 00:46.34 | doc|work | *lamb |
| 00:47.22 | penguinbait | uh er, bah humbug |
| 00:47.27 | penguinbait | ducks |
| 00:47.41 | doc|work | oh, duck, now you're clouding the issue :/ |
| 00:47.49 | doc|work | *blam* lamb it is |
| 00:51.22 | GNUton | penguinbait: have you compiled Qt4 for maemo? |
| 00:51.51 | penguinbait | I was working on it, but I was having issues |
| 00:52.06 | GNUton | penguinbait: i've packaged it! :) |
| 00:52.35 | penguinbait | sweet, I will be happy to use your when building KDE4 |
| 00:52.52 | penguinbait | will it be in garage, or can you send me a link? |
| 00:53.06 | GNUton | it will be in garage soon.. |
| 00:53.28 | penguinbait | nice, 4.3.2? |
| 00:53.32 | GNUton | yeah! :) |
| 00:54.00 | penguinbait | are you building qt apps for maemo? |
| 00:55.02 | GNUton | no, i'm a kde developer... |
| 00:55.14 | GNUton | and i'ven't got a maemo device yet.. |
| 00:55.22 | gw280 | GNUton: cool, what do you hack on in KDE? |
| 00:55.34 | GNUton | i'm working on kblogger! |
| 00:55.41 | GNUton | kblogger for KDE4 |
| 00:55.48 | penguinbait | So are you poring KDE4 for maemo |
| 00:55.53 | penguinbait | porting |
| 00:55.53 | _Monkey | well, porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 00:56.03 | GNUton | penguinbait: i'hope |
| 00:56.04 | penguinbait | stupidmonkey |
| 00:56.18 | penguinbait | I just finished 3.5.8 |
| 00:56.29 | penguinbait | with kdepim, koffice and cups |
| 00:56.34 | penguinbait | 338qt |
| 00:56.35 | GNUton | kblogger for KDE4 it's really powerful |
| 00:56.56 | GNUton | but it's not complete yet.. it doesn't manage thumbnail... |
| 00:56.58 | penguinbait | I had kblogger in the 3.5.8 version |
| 00:57.13 | GNUton | kblogger for KDE3 sucks! |
| 00:57.21 | penguinbait | ah, I never used it |
| 00:57.26 | gw280 | GNUton: ah |
| 01:00.17 | penguinbait | Can you tell me what you did to compile qt432 in scratchbox? |
| 01:00.50 | penguinbait | When I tried it blows up |
| 01:00.55 | penguinbait | did you patch? |
| 01:01.30 | GNUton | penguinbait: i've patched the code, and i've modified the package.. |
| 01:01.44 | GNUton | rules, control.. ecc... |
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| 01:02.49 | penguinbait | so you will be building KDE4 and all its prereq's and putting them in garage? |
| 01:05.56 | GNUton | penguinbait: i hope! |
| 01:06.48 | penguinbait | Well its very good to have you |
| 01:07.52 | GNUton | :) |
| 01:07.57 | penguinbait | I am not a developer at all, so If I can make it run and printand work pretty darn good, I can only imagine what someone who knows what they are doing, can do :) |
| 01:08.20 | GNUton | i'm happy to see other people that want's run kde/qt apps on maemo! :) |
| 01:08.36 | pupnik | penguinbait is our point man in that department |
| 01:09.14 | pupnik | i hope we can someday do multiple-kernels on the device |
| 01:09.17 | penguinbait | I also never put anything together but giat tarballs, so easy installation would be a welcome to many |
| 01:09.27 | penguinbait | s/giat/giant/ |
| 01:09.56 | penguinbait | me too pupnik |
| 01:09.58 | pupnik | tarball + shellscript is a good way |
| 01:10.28 | penguinbait | I am so happy about the 2GB on the 810, its just an untar and your done |
| 01:10.45 | pupnik | i'd like a "oh you'd like to try out a different OS on your device? which partition? ok here we goo..." |
| 01:10.48 | penguinbait | might need to find somewhere to put your maps though |
| 01:10.58 | penguinbait | yup |
| 01:11.51 | pupnik | installing the multi-boot loader changed my 'tablet life' |
| 01:12.03 | pupnik | back up partitions, screw around with things, restore them |
| 01:12.49 | pupnik | it's amazing how the N810 release announcement has slowed time. |
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| 01:12.59 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 01:13.16 | penguinbait | I want my n810 and the last month has been crawling by |
| 01:13.53 | |R | haha indeed :| |
| 01:14.46 | penguinbait | I actually accomplished more in the last month, than I did in the last year messing with KDE |
| 01:15.02 | penguinbait | I just want a device to play with it on now |
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| 01:42.33 | captlloyd | penguinbait: Yeah, same here |
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| 01:42.50 | captlloyd | I've had mine on order for almost 4 weeks |
| 01:42.58 | captlloyd | It should be here tomorrow.... hopefully.. |
| 01:43.08 | penguinbait | your way ahead of me |
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| 02:02.02 | pupnik | strange how motivation to work on things waxes and wanes |
| 02:02.17 | pupnik | i should keep track of my productive time and graph it |
| 02:02.42 | timeless | i track people by http access logs :) |
| 02:02.53 | timeless | hrm, i haven't done that in a while |
| 02:03.02 | pupnik | "An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates |
| 02:05.39 | lopz | brb |
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| 02:17.22 | lopz | re |
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| 02:42.25 | pupnik | moo |
| 02:45.02 | l7 | arr |
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| 03:11.58 | doc|fail | hey, how do you fast forward under mplayer? fast seek does nothing |
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| 03:12.30 | dick-richardson | I received my n810, but it doesn't appear I can install anything I was using my n800 for (ssh, gpodder, gnumeric, vnc viewer, gpe calendar, openvpn, or nano). Do they need to be ported, ie...I just need to use the n800 yet for a while? |
| 03:13.16 | K`zan | Last I looked there were 26 apps for 2008 and 191 for 2007, so yes, it might be a while :). |
| 03:13.46 | K`zan | I upgraded my n800 to 2008 and in reasonably short order flashed it back to 2007. |
| 03:14.02 | K`zan | Just takes time to get everything ported. |
| 03:14.05 | doc|fail | heh |
| 03:14.25 | K`zan | Don't pick on me doc|fail :-). |
| 03:14.59 | doc|fail | i'd probably have done the same :) |
| 03:15.10 | dick-richardson | alright, having used debian and its derivitives for a while, it's odd not being able to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:15.26 | K`zan | 2008 is going to be nice, I eagerly await for the n800 release. |
| 03:15.44 | dick-richardson | will it allow for dist-upgrades, do you know? |
| 03:16.08 | doc|fail | so, mplayer ideas anyone? |
| 03:16.10 | K`zan | Not sure it can flash itself while it is running, probably not. |
| 03:16.29 | K`zan | 22 minutes to CHOW! |
| 03:16.41 | dick-richardson | os2008 is REALLY nice. great improvements. after 3rd party app support is there it will be dominate |
| 03:16.53 | K`zan | Yep, agree. |
| 03:17.27 | K`zan | 2007 is certainly not shabby though. |
| 03:17.39 | dick-richardson | no, it really isn't |
| 03:18.08 | dick-richardson | can you flash '07 onto the n810? that way I could use my new hardware with my old apps and sell my 800 off |
| 03:18.18 | dick-richardson | probably not i'd guess |
| 03:18.46 | K`zan | Dunno, I seemed to have some odd problems with 2008 on the n800, but it COULD have just been me and my current level of ignorance. |
| 03:20.12 | dick-richardson | the gps maps included don't have a great deal of detail for where I live (NE corner of South Dakota) |
| 03:20.43 | [pablo] | is there no osso-screenshot-tool on OS2008? |
| 03:20.55 | doc|fail | dick-richardson, openstreetmap based? |
| 03:22.31 | dick-richardson | doc|fail: I don't believe so...not sure where they're getting their maps |
| 03:22.39 | dick-richardson | lemme look |
| 03:23.30 | doc|fail | dick-richardson, if it's openstreetmap, then yeah, they're lacking here too, and i'm in downtown vancouver :) |
| 03:23.59 | doc|fail | it's wiki-like so they'll get better |
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| 03:30.16 | doc|fail | mplayer anyone? :/ |
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| 05:01.10 | K`zan_800 | What do I do about this?: |
| 05:01.13 | K`zan_800 | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit |
| 05:01.36 | K`zan_800 | I may have screwed up and installed that without a target selected... |
| 05:02.23 | K`zan_800 | Just start over from scratch (re-install scratchbox and the sdk) when I am less tired :)? |
| 05:03.04 | K`zan_800 | Probably a good idea. |
| 05:03.08 | K`zan_800 | Never mind :). |
| 05:03.10 | K`zan_800 | Night all. |
| 05:03.48 | captlloyd | Anyone got their N810 yet this week? |
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| 05:26.51 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 06:01.14 | khertan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.18 | khertan_ | oups ... ww |
| 06:01.32 | pupnik_ | there is a cups WIP project |
| 06:02.33 | Khertan | yes !!! There is now a wmware for the final chinook sdk |
| 06:02.34 | Khertan | ! |
| 06:02.46 | pupnik_ | good |
| 06:06.09 | timeless | wmware? |
| 06:06.30 | pupnik_ | guessing khertan is german |
| 06:06.45 | pupnik_ | oops, no sorry :) |
| 06:07.10 | pupnik_ | germans pronounce 'w' the way english speakers pronounce 'v' |
| 06:07.28 | K`zan | Khertan: Where, I'm muddling through setting it up in a vm and am pretty sure I screwed it up :-(. |
| 06:08.01 | timeless | pupnik: but he's in france :) |
| 06:08.46 | timeless | and has a name that could be french or italian, but not german :) |
| 06:11.23 | lopz | bye |
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| 06:12.42 | K`zan_800 | Sure would be nice to have a vm appliance for the 2008 sdk. |
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| 06:16.02 | K`zan_800 | Grrr. Did anyone post a url for the vm appliance for the sdk? |
| 06:17.15 | captlloyd | No |
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| 06:18.14 | K`zan_800 | Found some but which ones they are wasn't clear, going to look more. |
| 06:21.33 | K`zan | Looks like they are for 2006 and 2007 :-(. |
| 06:23.30 | K`zan_800 | Enough, night all. |
| 06:25.07 | Khertan | pupnik_: i 'm french ... but my old girl friend was german ... maybe that :) |
| 06:26.20 | Khertan | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 06:26.44 | Khertan | here there is a vmware image with the chinook sdk ... (i'm still downloading it) |
| 06:29.12 | pupnik_ | sure it contains chinook sdk? or just installer script? |
| 06:29.52 | Khertan | hum ... not sure |
| 06:30.10 | Khertan | it said : This release (0.4, "Not So Fat") is loaded with a lot of goodies: Maemo 4.0 (Chinook) and Maemo 3.2 (Bora) with Nokia Binaries Installer |
| 06:30.45 | Khertan | so i ll know once the download ll be finished |
| 06:31.17 | Khertan | only a fucking torrent ! |
| 06:31.49 | Khertan | there are now a download by http |
| 06:32.02 | Khertan | bye ... must go to work :) |
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| 06:42.09 | konttori | sweet. thanks for the latest vmware image tip |
| 06:44.43 | konttori | cool. but what kind of haunting? |
| 06:45.02 | konttori | Casper the ghost type of haunting or something else? |
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| 06:57.12 | pupnik_ | thx for seeding |
| 07:01.16 | timeless | konttori: are you on site? |
| 07:02.16 | timeless | what's neil macleod's irc nick? |
| 07:02.27 | timeless | oh brother |
| 07:02.55 | timeless | it linked me to the 2007 version of ukmp |
| 07:02.59 | timeless | that's going to work well |
| 07:03.51 | timeless | X-Fade->IsSleeping() |
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| 07:32.45 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
| 07:34.36 | czr | mornink |
| 07:49.27 | solmumaha | dobraj ranicy |
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| 07:55.13 | timeless | milhouse: ping |
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| 08:16.40 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:16.49 | timeless | did someone file a bug asking for os2008 to be to the right of os2007? |
| 08:17.38 | X-Fade | timeless: Why would you want that? |
| 08:17.54 | timeless | because numbers in English increase from left to right |
| 08:18.01 | timeless | it's not logical for them to do otherwise |
| 08:18.08 | timeless | it's counterintuitive |
| 08:18.15 | X-Fade | The most relative one first? |
| 08:18.21 | timeless | no |
| 08:18.24 | timeless | smallest |
| 08:18.25 | X-Fade | Relevant.. |
| 08:18.28 | timeless | nope |
| 08:18.31 | timeless | you can do: |
| 08:18.33 | timeless | 2008 |
| 08:18.34 | timeless | 2007 |
| 08:18.35 | timeless | 2006 |
| 08:18.36 | timeless | or |
| 08:18.39 | timeless | 2006 2007 2008 |
| 08:18.40 | timeless | you can not do |
| 08:18.44 | timeless | 2008 2007 2006 |
| 08:19.33 | X-Fade | I simply don't agree ;) Newest first seems logical to me.. |
| 08:19.43 | X-Fade | But file a bug, let Quim decide.. |
| 08:20.50 | X-Fade | I have just filed one for marking all Nokia provided applications as such.. |
| 08:25.05 | timeless | Bug 2367 Submitted |
| 08:25.05 | _Monkey | Bug 2367 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 |
| 08:25.31 | timeless | x-fade: i looked a bit closer, the problem is probably partly because the colors are bad |
| 08:25.36 | timeless | not enough contrast, shapes too similar |
| 08:25.46 | timeless | it'd probably have been less of a problem for 2007/2008/2009 :o |
| 08:25.50 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:25.54 | timeless | no, that's not a better set |
| 08:26.02 | timeless | 2001/2002/2003 :) |
| 08:26.10 | X-Fade | timeless: We had different colors for each OS at first. But that was rejected. |
| 08:26.22 | timeless | i'm not suggesting you use colors |
| 08:26.30 | timeless | merely noting that the colors contribute to the problem |
| 08:26.45 | timeless | the absolute lack of brandability in the numbers is a bigger problem |
| 08:26.58 | timeless | the numbers 2, 3 and 4 would work better though :) |
| 08:27.15 | timeless | fwiw, i'm bugging Quim and others about the os name right now |
| 08:27.23 | timeless | (context is in scrollback/logs) |
| 08:27.58 | X-Fade | timeless: Good luck. Nokia is actively promoting that name ;) |
| 08:28.05 | timeless | which? |
| 08:28.07 | timeless | os2006? |
| 08:28.08 | _Monkey | i think os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 |
| 08:28.15 | timeless | os2007? |
| 08:28.15 | _Monkey | os2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810. |
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| 08:28.19 | timeless | os2008? |
| 08:28.19 | _Monkey | os2008 is really fast |
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| 08:28.28 | timeless | wow |
| 08:28.39 | timeless | we went from valuable to noise in two steps |
| 08:29.22 | timeless | btw, your alternate text sucks :) |
| 08:29.28 | timeless | image: http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-ad948dee8c9011dcb47d619b18f5a144a144/thumbnail_bomberman_game |
| 08:29.33 | timeless | alternate text: Click on the screenshot to see a larger one! |
| 08:29.39 | timeless | that's not valid alternate text |
| 08:29.52 | timeless | do you have minefield/firefox? |
| 08:30.01 | X-Fade | Yep. |
| 08:30.34 | timeless | right click on an item in http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 |
| 08:30.36 | timeless | choose properties |
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| 08:38.58 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 08:40.41 | pupnik | hi AD-N770 :) |
| 08:41.08 | pupnik | someday i hope to get around to learning about your NetHack |
| 08:41.14 | timeless | oh wierd |
| 08:41.18 | timeless | ok second half |
| 08:41.41 | timeless | tools>options (or edit>preferences?) > content > click exceptions... by load images automatically |
| 08:41.49 | timeless | enter maemo.org and click block |
| 08:41.54 | timeless | click close, close |
| 08:42.02 | timeless | reload the page |
| 08:42.31 | X-Fade | timeless: Check the source ;) |
| 08:42.37 | timeless | anyway, the message "Click on the screenshot to see a larger one!" |
| 08:42.57 | timeless | isn't professional :) |
| 08:43.07 | timeless | x-fade: evil css? |
| 08:43.34 | X-Fade | timeless: Nah, css can't change the alt text ;) |
| 08:44.06 | timeless | what's the answer? |
| 08:44.07 | _Monkey | the answer is 42. but what is the question |
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| 08:44.31 | timeless | curses foiled by a bot is <reply> yep, haha, get some sleep |
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| 08:46.42 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
| 08:46.58 | doc|home | buona notte :) |
| 08:47.11 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:50.30 | _Monkey | yep, haha, get some sleep |
| 08:50.36 | pupnik | Nokia N810 selling for 275 euro. in stock. In the USA |
| 08:50.51 | Jaffa | 275eur in .us? |
| 08:51.07 | timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=275+eur+in+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 08:51.10 | pupnik | Yes, $409. dollar is at 0.6725 euro now |
| 08:51.11 | timeless | 275 Euros = 405.4875 U.S. dollars |
| 08:51.24 | timeless | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qBU&q=1+eur+in+usd&btnG=Search |
| 08:51.27 | timeless | 1 Euro = 1.4745 U.S. dollars |
| 08:51.34 | Jaffa | But the US hasn't joined the Eurozone yet ;-) |
| 08:51.42 | timeless | the dollar is plummetting |
| 08:51.50 | timeless | jaffa: is the us elligible at this point? |
| 08:51.55 | timeless | don't you need a stable currency? :) |
| 08:52.08 | Jaffa | Good point :) |
| 08:52.26 | timeless | just take your EU visa w/ you |
| 08:52.38 | timeless | pay from your Euro noted bank |
| 08:52.46 | dpb_ | it was 1.48something yesterday |
| 08:52.59 | timeless | dpb: so the dollar gained a bit of ground? |
| 08:53.11 | dpb_ | a tiny bit it seems |
| 08:53.33 | timeless | is that legal? |
| 08:54.35 | dev | timeless: no, it was over 1.50 for some short time this morning |
| 08:54.59 | timeless | hey, how's the euro doing against the pound? |
| 08:55.14 | timeless | afaicr the pound has always been 2 to 1 against the dollar |
| 08:55.18 | timeless | and it still seems fairly close |
| 08:55.30 | timeless | which to me kinda implies the euro is gaining against it, am i wrong? |
| 08:55.47 | czr | probably there's transfer from USD to EUR going on |
| 08:56.15 | czr | OPEC and China to blame. they're fed up by USD sliding down. which is ironic, since now it will slide down even faster :-) |
| 08:56.19 | czr | and good morning all |
| 08:56.21 | pupnik | anybody know where the N810s are being produced? |
| 08:56.28 | czr | pupnik, in my basement |
| 08:56.36 | timeless | the protos were made in finland |
| 08:56.41 | timeless | dunno about the real devices |
| 08:57.00 | timeless | http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html |
| 08:57.03 | timeless | doesn't show 1.5 |
| 08:57.06 | pupnik | amazed at how cheap they're selling in the USA |
| 08:57.21 | timeless | pupnik: it's not cheap |
| 08:57.24 | timeless | cheap is $299 |
| 08:57.30 | timeless | anything over that is "expensive" |
| 08:57.45 | timeless | and for the time being european companies can't afford to break 1x=1x markings |
| 08:57.59 | timeless | it'd mean losing the market to american companies |
| 08:58.09 | timeless | that's the funny part |
| 08:58.13 | timeless | while it hurts some parts of the us |
| 08:58.19 | czr | apple uses the evil 1=1 ratio |
| 08:58.19 | dev | timeless: was in the news here around 2h ago |
| 08:58.23 | timeless | it helps american tech firms |
| 08:58.36 | timeless | since they can sell to europe cheaper :) |
| 08:58.41 | timeless | or make more profit, whichever |
| 08:59.03 | timeless | (of course, that assumes that supplies don't reprice, but i think atm they aren't) |
| 08:59.04 | pupnik | this situation will really hurt germany |
| 08:59.26 | czr | germany is doing pretty well still, last I hear |
| 08:59.28 | czr | heard even |
| 08:59.32 | timeless | you mean poor german automotive industry? |
| 08:59.40 | timeless | or do you mean fr/de airbus? |
| 08:59.47 | pupnik | them too |
| 09:00.07 | timeless | sorry, airbus is state sponsored |
| 09:00.12 | timeless | it does not get any sympathy |
| 09:00.16 | czr | everything is state sponsored |
| 09:00.23 | czr | the food you eat is state sponsored :-) |
| 09:01.17 | czr | it'd be interesting if all of the sudden there'd be exactly same taxation and other things all over the world in all countries, and all forms of subsidies would be banned |
| 09:01.25 | czr | I wonder what would happen |
| 09:01.40 | timeless | that's not sufficient |
| 09:01.44 | dev | pupnik: no, that will have little to none imapct |
| 09:01.46 | timeless | you need regulation and enforcement |
| 09:01.56 | timeless | w/o that, the chinese still have unfair advantages |
| 09:02.03 | timeless | they can use lead paint on toys |
| 09:02.13 | timeless | or add the lead paint later |
| 09:02.41 | czr | true. |
| 09:03.20 | czr | that way same rules would apply to everyone :-) |
| 09:03.29 | dev | the USD is overrated for a long time, and was more or less only on that level cause it is(was) the currency for oil and other federal banks bought USD to support it |
| 09:04.00 | timeless | dev: you're an ecconomist? |
| 09:04.25 | timeless | s/cc/c/ |
| 09:04.40 | dev | timeless: not really, but looked at it in some detail for some "talk" a gave a few monts ago |
| 09:04.46 | dev | +h |
| 09:05.14 | pupnik | M3 growing at ca. 14% apr right now |
| 09:05.23 | timeless | m3? |
| 09:05.41 | pupnik | a measure of the dollar supply |
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| 09:05.56 | dev | if you are interested in understanding that USD vs. EUR thing you need to start with Bretton Woods |
| 09:06.43 | pupnik | i have studied this |
| 09:06.43 | timeless | pupnik: but thehy stopped publishing m3 in march, no? :) |
| 09:07.44 | dev | pupnik: nice |
| 09:08.20 | sv-en | Is it complicated to run and manage a own repository? Any docs out there? |
| 09:08.38 | timeless | maintaining a repository can be easy or hard |
| 09:08.48 | timeless | depending on how much you're managing and how fast it's changning |
| 09:09.01 | Jaffa | But it's almost certainly better to use extras-devel and/or extras (from a user point of view) |
| 09:09.11 | timeless | yes |
| 09:09.12 | sv-en | Only my own packages |
| 09:09.16 | timeless | more repositories are bad |
| 09:09.26 | timeless | that way lies the dark side |
| 09:09.27 | Jaffa | sv-en: no-one else if ever going to use them? |
| 09:09.27 | timeless | or something |
| 09:09.28 | timeless | :) |
| 09:09.31 | Jaffa | timeless: :) |
| 09:09.59 | sv-en | Perhaps, who knows it yet |
| 09:10.45 | timeless | oh, that was march of 2006 :) |
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| 09:13.09 | sv-en | I ve tested os2008... its crap. menu to large and the browser breaks the websites layout often. No realplayer (yet)... |
| 09:13.26 | timeless | no realplayer? |
| 09:13.27 | timeless | confused |
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| 09:13.40 | timeless | Media player supports some real audio/video formats |
| 09:13.52 | timeless | and what web sites? |
| 09:14.09 | dev | timeless: yes, last year, since 18months the fed doesn't tell anymore how much presidents they print ;-) |
| 09:14.13 | timeless | and are you using fit width to view? |
| 09:14.16 | sv-en | It said unsupportes codec with my os07 bookmarks |
| 09:14.36 | timeless | sv-en: bugs.maemo.org |
| 09:14.36 | _Monkey | somebody said bugs.maemo.org was configured to use UTF8, and i've recoded all the people i could find who were using ISO-8859-1 |
| 09:14.46 | timeless | if it doesn't handle .. oh brother |
| 09:14.47 | Jaffa | sv-en: if something worked before, doesn't work now and hasn't changed at the other end, raise a bug (or two) |
| 09:14.51 | timeless | _monkey forget bugs.maemo.org |
| 09:14.51 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot bugs.maemo.org |
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| 09:15.18 | timeless | bugs.maemo.org is \where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications |
| 09:15.24 | timeless | bugs.maemo.org! |
| 09:15.25 | _Monkey | rumour has it bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications |
| 09:15.30 | timeless | good bot |
| 09:15.41 | sv-en | Iam back on os07, but if i find time ill bug it |
| 09:15.57 | timeless | if you don't, you're unsubstantiated rumor mongling |
| 09:16.01 | timeless | fudd isn't good :) |
| 09:16.10 | timeless | if you have urls you remember not working, you can share them here |
| 09:16.16 | timeless | someone will gladly test and help you report the bug |
| 09:16.21 | timeless | no requirement for you to reflash |
| 09:16.32 | timeless | actually, maybe elmer was good |
| 09:16.50 | Jaffa | Not particulalry at hunting wabbits |
| 09:17.07 | czr | took 20 hours! |
| 09:17.18 | czr | slightly less even |
| 09:17.38 | timeless | czr: it doesn't say what it's for :! |
| 09:17.42 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.42 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.42 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.42 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.48 | czr | ah, true :-) |
| 09:17.53 | czr | I'll amend the bug :-) |
| 09:17.57 | timeless | :) |
| 09:18.12 | Jaffa | Woohoo, I'm on the front page of http://maemo.org/profile/list now. Just need to maintain that until the (N810 + x) gets released ;-) |
| 09:18.32 | timeless | hrm, i'm not |
| 09:18.34 | Jaffa | Of course, maybe I shouldn't be holding my breath for the N810 either... :-/ |
| 09:18.54 | timeless | gah |
| 09:18.57 | Jaffa | timeless: which seems odd with all your bugzilla activity and helping on IRC |
| 09:19.19 | timeless | there i am |
| 09:19.20 | timeless | page 6 |
| 09:19.29 | timeless | -, timeless |
| 09:20.47 | czr | page 8 for me |
| 09:21.08 | suihkulokki | irc destroys spermcells^Wproductivity |
| 09:21.13 | suihkulokki | -> bad karma |
| 09:21.45 | czr | although, bad karma is still better than bad korma. |
| 09:22.10 | timeless | bugzilla_reported 8 |
| 09:22.14 | timeless | what kind of score is that? |
| 09:22.36 | czr | infinite with 90 degree rotation = bestest. |
| 09:22.45 | czr | was that a trick question? :-) |
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| 09:25.33 | timeless | ReporterNumber of bugs |
| 09:25.34 | timeless | quim.gil@nokia.com128 |
| 09:25.34 | timeless | jarmo.tikka@nokia.com94 |
| 09:25.34 | timeless | tommi.komulainen@nokia.com51 |
| 09:25.34 | timeless | timeless@gmail.com50 |
| 09:25.39 | timeless | i'm #4 |
| 09:25.46 | timeless | how can i have such a bad karma? |
| 09:26.02 | Jaffa | Email addresses now lining up? |
| 09:26.12 | timeless | ? |
| 09:26.19 | Jaffa | s/now/not/ |
| 09:26.31 | timeless | it'd be 0 otherwise, no? |
| 09:26.39 | timeless | there's only 1 timeless in each, and they're all the same |
| 09:26.49 | Jaffa | Hmm. |
| 09:27.31 | timeless | ok, how does one search for a user? |
| 09:27.53 | timeless | what's a "listd"? |
| 09:29.03 | Jaffa | I don't think you can search, you can just go directly to profiles |
| 09:29.04 | timeless | Bug 2370 Submitted |
| 09:29.04 | _Monkey | Bug 2370 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2370 |
| 09:30.01 | timeless | ok, http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa |
| 09:30.08 | timeless | bugzilla_reported 32 |
| 09:30.16 | czr | damn, you stole 70 from me! |
| 09:30.33 | czr | oh hmm. never mind, forgot I was appending a bug instead of filing a new one :-) |
| 09:30.43 | timeless | ReporterNumber of bugs |
| 09:30.43 | timeless | andrew@bleb.org14 |
| 09:30.54 | timeless | you could have filed a new bug :) |
| 09:31.02 | czr | I decided against it |
| 09:31.06 | czr | since I want only bad karma |
| 09:31.11 | timeless | heh |
| 09:31.13 | czr | but yes, I could've :-) |
| 09:31.18 | timeless | jaffa: this is no fair |
| 09:31.20 | czr | ( 2369 ) |
| 09:31.21 | _Monkey | 2369 |
| 09:31.21 | Jaffa | timeless: very odd. I think bugzilla_reported is misnamed (although there's no explanation as to what any of the categories are), I *think* it really means "bugzilla participation/usage" |
| 09:31.58 | timeless | um, ok... |
| 09:32.24 | timeless | hrm, i get points for favorites and burries? |
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| 09:32.56 | timeless | nah, first i'll file a bug on planet |
| 09:35.02 | timeless | x-fade/jaffa: ok, i don't get it |
| 09:36.55 | timeless | the link sizes are 0px x 0px |
| 09:36.59 | timeless | for fav / bury |
| 09:38.01 | timeless | strange |
| 09:38.04 | timeless | it works on my tablet |
| 09:38.48 | czr | timeless, 2369 :-) |
| 09:39.54 | timeless | "Task navigator", "from which to pick" |
| 09:40.26 | czr | not Task Navigator, right? |
| 09:40.30 | timeless | right |
| 09:40.32 | czr | was thinking about that, but wasn't really sure |
| 09:40.43 | timeless | i suppose i could try to figure out how to prove that |
| 09:40.47 | timeless | the style says only first words |
| 09:40.55 | timeless | but that second word doesn't apear anywhere |
| 09:41.13 | czr | I think it's the same issue as with "Application damager" |
| 09:41.20 | timeless | yes |
| 09:41.40 | timeless | s/referrred to/referenced/ |
| 09:41.44 | timeless | gah |
| 09:42.09 | czr | I know my language sucks in the bug-reports |
| 09:42.17 | czr | I don't spent too much time writing them anyway |
| 09:42.39 | timeless | ok, lunch, then Finnish lessons |
| 09:42.41 | czr | added the TN issue |
| 09:42.43 | timeless | have an interesting weekend |
| 09:42.53 | czr | timeless, oh, you won't be around 1:35? |
| 09:43.00 | timeless | i will |
| 09:43.02 | timeless | call |
| 09:43.07 | czr | ah, ok. I'll ping you then :-) |
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| 09:57.18 | czr | damn all this i18n stuff is scary. my emails contain chinese nowadays! |
| 09:57.43 | czr | and the glyphs are pretty too. except for numerals. |
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| 10:11.03 | GNUton | Hi |
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| 10:13.01 | bedboi | anyone knows where mpeg2dec gst plugin is located? |
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| 10:17.53 | GNUton | bedboi: whereis mpeg2dec |
| 10:17.59 | GNUton | or dpkg -S mpeg2dec |
| 10:18.08 | bedboi | it should be in plugins-ugly |
| 10:19.31 | bedboi | i'll try to port them to os2008 |
| 10:22.24 | GNUton | :) |
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| 10:26.15 | czr | bedboi, is there also plugins-pretty? :-) |
| 10:26.20 | bedboi | :) |
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| 10:37.24 | GNUton | Ciao L0cutus! :) |
| 10:38.18 | GNUton | L0cutus: you can try to port it yourself! :P |
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| 10:38.28 | L0cutus | lol |
| 10:38.39 | GNUton | L0cutus: :) |
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| 11:15.52 | mgedmin | isn't it time to retire http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog (delete all content, replace it with a link to maemo.org/downloads)? |
| 11:16.06 | mgedmin | are there any apps in there that aren't present in the app catalog? |
| 11:18.07 | trickie | cd .. |
| 11:18.48 | trickie | oops :) |
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| 11:34.20 | lardman | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027 cut down internet tablet over gpsr |
| 11:35.50 | gla55_ | ah that one |
| 11:36.13 | gla55_ | 20h per month for "no charge" isn't that much |
| 11:36.27 | gla55_ | considering you pay for the connection with buying the device |
| 11:36.29 | lardman | I'd never seen anything like it |
| 11:36.54 | gla55_ | proxyservers sit in between too |
| 11:37.25 | gla55_ | saw a review for it somewhere... |
| 11:37.27 | gla55_ | hmmmmmm |
| 11:37.30 | gla55_ | maybe on el reg |
| 11:37.30 | lardman | sponsored links |
| 11:37.38 | lardman | supposed to be part of its revenue model |
| 11:38.16 | gla55_ | after reading the review i wasnt that sure that they'd be around for few years.. |
| 11:38.37 | gla55_ | it's like a poor mans e90 |
| 11:38.39 | lardman | true, in which case I suppose one could stick a new sim card in |
| 11:38.45 | lardman | yeah, with no voice |
| 11:38.56 | gla55_ | lardman: the sw inside probably wont workout without their proxy servers |
| 11:39.08 | gla55_ | that re-enc pics etc to cut down on traffic |
| 11:39.18 | gla55_ | and make easier to render |
| 11:39.52 | lardman | I was looking to see what the actual hw is, but can't see any mention, and whether anyone's tried to hack it yet |
| 11:40.31 | lardman | anyway, I don't think it'll knock the N810 off its perch |
| 11:40.49 | gla55_ | hehe |
| 11:40.50 | gla55_ | certainly not |
| 11:40.56 | gla55_ | the hw is probably quite light |
| 11:41.00 | gla55_ | cheap |
| 11:41.22 | gla55_ | dunno if parts of the browser tech come from opera or such |
| 11:41.26 | lardman | supposed to do flash, etc. |
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| 11:41.42 | gla55_ | hmm? it is? |
| 11:41.45 | gla55_ | never seen mention of that |
| 11:42.11 | gla55_ | and the compression tech is opera mini-ish |
| 11:42.11 | lardman | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/13/preview_datawind_pocketsurfer_2/page3.html |
| 11:42.21 | lardman | Datawind said its browser can handle all the key webpage components - ActiveX, Flash, PDF, Java, JavaScript, SSL security and so on - and HTML elements like frames, and while we didn't have an opportunity to try all these out last night, we can confirm some of them do work and work well. |
| 11:43.15 | gla55_ | i find that a bit of a stretch |
| 11:43.18 | gla55_ | activex especially |
| 11:43.21 | gla55_ | .. |
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| 11:44.16 | lardman | might be pocketpc based |
| 11:44.20 | lardman | do they do activex? |
| 11:44.39 | gla55_ | not that i know, properly at least |
| 11:44.57 | gla55_ | maybe some special for-pocket-ie version of activex.. |
| 11:45.38 | gla55_ | googling for pocket ie activex finds some stuff |
| 11:46.19 | gla55_ | seems like special arm stuff though, of course... |
| 11:47.33 | gla55_ | for components you install yourself |
| 11:50.08 | lardman | ah well, who cares about all that ActiveX stuff anyway! |
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| 11:50.36 | gla55_ | maybe someone doing some custom app for some client they can dictate to use some confusing system |
| 11:50.40 | pupnik | we hates it (gollum) |
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| 11:51.21 | gla55_ | that pocketsurfer is very regionally limited too though |
| 11:51.27 | gla55_ | so no intrest for me at all :) |
| 11:51.44 | lardman | likewise, just saw a shiny gadget |
| 11:52.18 | lardman | pupnik: you'll be glad to hear I've started work on debugging the tremor task, and spotted a schoolboy error with the mp3 one that was making it fail |
| 11:53.15 | pupnik | nice |
| 11:54.37 | lardman | I've also had a chap from Bristol contact me who's interested in working on an SBC (a2dp) task |
| 11:55.13 | lardman | I do wonder if Nokia are working on that though, in which case it doesn't make much sense for us to start anyway |
| 11:55.15 | pupnik | yeh i was hoping your work would inspire others too (and help pave the way with code) |
| 11:55.31 | lardman | yeah, seems to be slow progress, but I'm sure we'll get there |
| 11:56.08 | lardman | if the mp3 task works, then it will make porting easier as everything can be done in a seperate thread (i.e. no major changes to structure of a decoder) just with semaphores added |
| 11:56.53 | lardman | I see the dsp kernel is ~200kb larger on os2008, I must check and see if they've added sbc in there and not told us :) |
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| 12:01.53 | pupnik | you're doing your own mp3 player or trying to build the existing one? |
| 12:02.01 | pupnik | i'm missing something here |
| 12:02.23 | lardman | Serge sent me some code someone had written |
| 12:02.46 | lardman | He's interested in an open source one as there are some issues with the closed source one |
| 12:03.32 | lardman | it's good to see how someone else writes decoders, rather than just the arm-side stuff we've got for the closed source ones |
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| 12:27.30 | timeless | sp3000: ping |
| 12:27.46 | timeless | can you try banning images from maemo.org in minefield and loading http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 12:28.01 | timeless | when i do it, i don't see the fav/bury links |
| 12:28.15 | timeless | but on my n810 i do when i disable loading images |
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| 12:31.16 | Minti | i am using tree_store and attaching "row-activated" signal to treeview but this signal is not able to capture on maemo side |
| 12:31.25 | Minti | how it is possible? |
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| 12:33.17 | Minti | why it is not able to connect ? can anyone ans plz ? |
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| 12:36.48 | guardian | hi |
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| 12:54.57 | alterego | Urgh .. |
| 12:55.07 | alterego | The sound of a hang over. |
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| 13:03.34 | alterego | I could do with going back to bed. |
| 13:03.39 | alterego | I feel pretty ill :S |
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| 13:12.44 | alterego | I'm gonna work from bed today me thinks. |
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| 13:20.06 | Khertan | hi |
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| 13:55.45 | lardman | anyone know if a2dp works on the 770? |
| 13:55.50 | lardman | has anyone tried it? |
| 13:56.39 | alterego | Can BT 1.1 handle it? |
| 13:58.38 | lardman | I'm not sure |
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| 14:00.06 | lardman | surely there must have been a 770 user who wanted to try, somewhere... |
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| 14:02.55 | alterego | Who's Sherly? |
| 14:03.41 | lardman | don't call me shirley! |
| 14:03.58 | alterego | Ah, that's how you spell it. |
| 14:04.07 | alterego | Not a very common name ;) |
| 14:04.24 | lardman | not really here either, 20 years ago it probably was |
| 14:04.49 | alterego | Yes, 20 years ago. Just before the mass Shirley culling? |
| 14:04.59 | lardman | exactly |
| 14:05.07 | lardman | one can only hope for a Britney culling |
| 14:05.13 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:05.31 | alterego | I'd vote for that. |
| 14:05.52 | Jaffa | s/thing/think/ |
| 14:06.01 | lardman | +1 from /me |
| 14:07.01 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.22 | lardman | any reason (to think that)? |
| 14:07.32 | alterego | No |
| 14:07.35 | Jaffa | Hope over experience? |
| 14:07.36 | alterego | I'm just hoping :) |
| 14:08.25 | Jaffa | It's nearly too late for next day delivery to be monday |
| 14:08.58 | lardman | I'll add my hopes too then |
| 14:09.07 | alterego | Yeah |
| 14:09.09 | Jaffa | If we all hope simultaneously... |
| 14:09.11 | lardman | Anyone here with 770HE? |
| 14:09.18 | alterego | :) |
| 14:09.19 | czr | it will be delivered in 4 weeks |
| 14:09.29 | Jaffa | ...and we'll die from suffocation. |
| 14:09.33 | alterego | (Clap your hands if you believe the N810 exists) |
| 14:09.34 | lardman | what, hacker edition? |
| 14:09.46 | Jaffa | I want a new toy. I want it before I go on holiday next week |
| 14:09.47 | alterego | I think the N810 is some sick april fools joke. |
| 14:09.56 | czr | alterego, ssh |
| 14:10.00 | Jaffa | well, next week == start of dec. |
| 14:10.16 | lardman | To someone with a 770 running hacker edition, do the dsp tasks work? I.e. can you play mp3s, etc.? |
| 14:10.22 | Jaffa | czr: maybe it's just an internal joke to play on gullible consumers. |
| 14:10.34 | alterego | Yeah |
| 14:10.45 | czr | Jaffa, it goes much deeper than that. even people inside N think they're developing software for it. |
| 14:10.47 | czr | those fools.. |
| 14:10.54 | alterego | I bet the N810 photo's are fake. Like the moon landing. |
| 14:11.28 | alterego | Seriously? |
| 14:11.33 | alterego | It's only available in US shops? |
| 14:11.46 | Jaffa | The N810 is based on alien technology recovered from Roswell, so the CIA has now stopped Nokia from launching it anywhere except in US physical stores. Possibly as some kind of mind-control device. |
| 14:11.48 | alterego | Not nokia usa? |
| 14:12.00 | alterego | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 14:12.04 | lardman | I don't see a big issue there really, we're getting a big discount (why should we be first), the US is large = lots of customers |
| 14:12.11 | Jaffa | Nope. NokiaUSA.com says 2007-12-19 as the release date. |
| 14:12.14 | tsavola | aliens used linux back in 1940's |
| 14:12.25 | alterego | lardman, we should be first because we're developing software for it ;) |
| 14:12.30 | lardman | pupnik: you about? |
| 14:12.36 | tsavola | linus just ported it to the i386 in 1991 |
| 14:12.42 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 14:12.46 | czr | tsavola, explains why your eyes glow green in the dark :-) |
| 14:12.54 | Khertan | tsavola > lol |
| 14:12.55 | tsavola | czr: not to mention my pen.. |
| 14:13.01 | alterego | So how come Nokia USA get a release date whilst the rest of us are left in the dark? |
| 14:13.03 | czr | tsavola, no reason to get _that_ personal! |
| 14:13.10 | tsavola | czr: you don't like my pen? |
| 14:13.13 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:13.19 | czr | tsavola, I think it's too long to be of any real use. |
| 14:13.24 | tsavola | :D |
| 14:13.24 | Veggen | alterego: could be just educated guesses? |
| 14:13.40 | czr | tsavola, don't people complain about it? |
| 14:13.44 | Jaffa | alterego: don't worry, it seems to change on a daily basis. And again, doesn't make much sense when Nokia US have put out a press release saying it's now available to buy (but not from them online) |
| 14:13.46 | Khertan | alterego: a gamble between N Team ? :) |
| 14:13.47 | tsavola | czr: they like to borrow it |
| 14:13.56 | alterego | Veggen, Nokia USA is owned by Nokia do you think they'd put false information on their own site? (intentionally of course) |
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| 14:13.56 | pupnik | yes lardman |
| 14:13.58 | czr | tsavola, that's just evil :-) |
| 14:14.00 | tsavola | czr: i get good money renting its use |
| 14:14.03 | pupnik | just dealing with some massive idiocy |
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| 14:14.20 | Veggen | alterego: Friends of mine write a technical book. Way long before it was finished, it was available for pre-order, and with "213 pages" in the description ;) |
| 14:14.25 | lardman | pupnik: you run HE? |
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| 14:14.32 | Jaffa | Veggen: heh |
| 14:14.44 | alterego | Hah, maybe they just new how long it'd be ;) |
| 14:14.44 | pupnik | no, and i'm sorry to say i don't have an image handy on mmc |
| 14:14.58 | pupnik | but i need to, and i plan to |
| 14:15.06 | lardman | pupnik: do you know how well it supports the hw? Ie. does the DSP now work? |
| 14:15.07 | Khertan | i don't know if you have see but there is an other firmware to leak :) |
| 14:15.32 | pupnik | lardman: yes dsp works - just needed a little change in a config |
| 14:15.41 | Khertan | RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 14:15.42 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:15.43 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 14:15.46 | Jaffa | Oooh, interesting. Very interesting: Use nokia.co.uk's search to find references to "N810" and the only one is yesterday, the support site going live: http://www.nokia.co.uk/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Get_Support/RSS/supportnews.xml |
| 14:16.12 | alterego | Jaffa, that's good news .. |
| 14:16.19 | pupnik | it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe |
| 14:16.38 | czr | tsavola, have you thought about franchising your pen? |
| 14:16.47 | Jaffa | pupnik: Someone @Nokia told me UK & US ones are the same (although obviously chargers & packaging are probably different) |
| 14:16.52 | alterego | I guess that's a good reason. |
| 14:17.00 | czr | "Fello Americans! You too can now Experience the T. Savola Pen!" |
| 14:17.02 | czr | +w |
| 14:17.03 | alterego | I think I prefered the alien technology one better. |
| 14:17.09 | Veggen | seems the book is at 184 pages, now. |
| 14:17.19 | Veggen | I think it's in the print, now. |
| 14:18.35 | alterego | Jaffa, there's a product information page too. |
| 14:18.43 | Khertan | it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe > NO PLEASE ! I want a QWERTY keyboard |
| 14:19.06 | pupnik | same here, but i'll take anything |
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| 14:20.33 | alterego | It's not just the mapping, for instance in the UK the currency is £ not $ |
| 14:20.41 | alterego | Which is reflected in the key mapping (usually) |
| 14:21.20 | alterego | Anyone watch that BSG Razor thingy? |
| 14:21.25 | Jaffa | http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/n810_02_web_low.jpg shows that the QWERTY keyboard has USD, EUR & GBP |
| 14:21.25 | alterego | Worth a peek? |
| 14:21.33 | Jaffa | alterego: definitely. it's very *very* good |
| 14:21.46 | alterego | Cool, there's an ep on tomorrow. |
| 14:21.55 | Khertan | alterego > i see it ... ... bof bof |
| 14:21.57 | alterego | I'll watch the one that aired in October in a few minutes. |
| 14:22.16 | Khertan | alterego > maybe i ve waited too long time ... |
| 14:22.29 | Khertan | alterego > maybe i'm asking too much |
| 14:22.47 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:22.52 | alterego | What are you on about? |
| 14:22.56 | Khertan | alterego > it a good double episode ... not less, not much |
| 14:23.35 | alterego | Cool. |
| 14:23.42 | Khertan | alterego > sometime a bit slow ... |
| 14:23.57 | alterego | Well, it's 1 1/2 hours long ^_^ |
| 14:24.04 | Khertan | yes :) |
| 14:24.35 | alterego | I want to see Roswell Aliens in BSG |
| 14:24.46 | alterego | More aliens! |
| 14:24.57 | alterego | Maybe Xenomorphs |
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| 14:25.08 | alterego | Starbuck Vs. Ripley |
| 14:25.31 | sp3000 | timeless: 169161 I suppose |
| 14:25.58 | sp3000 | which is odd, I'd have thought that would be essential or something |
| 14:27.54 | L0cutus | maemo.org RIP |
| 14:28.03 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:28.16 | alterego | Someone should consider mirroring that site for Nokia ;) |
| 14:29.21 | alterego | czr, 'selector.flip.flop.to_blob' Ruby poetry ;) |
| 14:29.36 | alterego | Maybe Ruby rap .. |
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| 14:30.05 | Khertan | L0cutus > maemo is dead like all friday ... as nokia announce new thing friday i think there are too many connections |
| 14:30.17 | alterego | :) |
| 14:30.24 | L0cutus | lol |
| 14:30.31 | Jaffa | Khertan: there's a new thing announced today? |
| 14:30.35 | L0cutus | too many nXXX users out there... |
| 14:30.38 | alterego | That's cute. Do you name all of your fish? |
| 14:30.47 | Khertan | Jaffa > i don't think :) |
| 14:30.52 | czr | alterego, it's my neighbours |
| 14:30.55 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:31.04 | czr | mine go by numbers |
| 14:31.34 | Khertan | Jaffa > there is a new firmware for n810 :) (still installable on n800 :) |
| 14:31.42 | Jaffa | Khertan: ah, yeah. |
| 14:31.58 | czr | hmm. does it fix anything? |
| 14:32.09 | czr | on n810 I mean |
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| 14:32.12 | Khertan | don't know |
| 14:32.28 | Khertan | there is no changelog in firmware pages :) |
| 14:32.36 | czr | there's no changelogs anywhere :-) |
| 14:32.45 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:32.45 | Khertan | lol ... |
| 14:32.58 | czr | or rather, there might be, but they're normally pretty non-verbose and cryptic |
| 14:33.04 | shackan | again!? |
| 14:33.05 | alterego | Khertan, if you find out any changes let me know ;) |
| 14:33.05 | Khertan | czr> maybe in there own bug tracker at nokia |
| 14:33.20 | czr | Khertan, maybe |
| 14:33.20 | Khertan | alterego> don't see one |
| 14:33.39 | czr | or maybe they write the changelogs in white ink, so that people using white background in terminals won't see the secret message |
| 14:33.52 | Khertan | there is also an new support page for the n810 on the nokia europe |
| 14:33.53 | alterego | Hang on .. Shouldn't you be able to update with apt-get upgrade ? |
| 14:34.08 | alterego | Khertan, yes. We were talking about that earlier. |
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| 14:34.27 | Khertan | ah lol don't see it :) |
| 14:34.35 | lardman | what about a binary diff of the rootfs's |
| 14:34.40 | czr | Khertan, try changing the background color in your terminal |
| 14:34.41 | Khertan | it s google alert wicch send me a mail :) |
| 14:35.05 | Khertan | czr> it's already yellow foreground on pink background |
| 14:35.17 | czr | pink background? that explains it |
| 14:35.18 | alterego | lardman, I think a filesystem tree diff would be better ;) |
| 14:35.26 | czr | you've hit the "Linux is unstable with pink background"-bug |
| 14:35.35 | Khertan | czr> lol |
| 14:35.41 | lardman | alterego: yeah, compression |
| 14:36.05 | alterego | I'll run a comparison myself actually :) |
| 14:36.10 | Khertan | maybe i should try to use hachoir on the firmware :) |
| 14:36.45 | Jaffa | Khertan: indeed, we noticed about half an hour ago. |
| 14:36.51 | Jaffa | (on the support page :-)) |
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| 14:38.00 | lardman | what days were the 770 and N800 released on? |
| 14:38.32 | czr | friday |
| 14:38.33 | _Monkey | i guess friday is comming up again :D |
| 14:39.08 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:39.09 | lardman | _Monkey: coming is the correct spelling |
| 14:39.10 | _Monkey | OK, lardman. |
| 14:39.10 | Jaffa | _Monkey in insightful and humourous comment shocker. |
| 14:39.11 | _Monkey | Jaffa: i'm not following you... |
| 14:39.11 | vegai | as the spanish like to say... manana |
| 14:39.33 | lardman | oh no, what have I just taught _Monkey |
| 14:39.35 | czr | the finnish replace that with maanantaina |
| 14:39.35 | lardman | coming? |
| 14:39.37 | _Monkey | it has been said that coming is the correct spelling |
| 14:39.43 | lardman | lol |
| 14:39.49 | vegai | cuming? |
| 14:40.07 | lardman | _Monkey: vegai is rude |
| 14:40.08 | _Monkey | OK, lardman. |
| 14:40.13 | lardman | vegai? |
| 14:40.13 | _Monkey | vegai is, like, rude |
| 14:40.26 | vegai | he got me. |
| 14:40.43 | lardman | vegai: unteach him if you want |
| 14:41.13 | czr | _Monkey, unlearn being a useless bot! |
| 14:41.14 | _Monkey | czr: what? |
| 14:41.20 | czr | lardman, doesn't work.. |
| 14:41.31 | czr | an useless even. |
| 14:41.34 | lardman | czr: I wonder what "forget everything" does? |
| 14:41.45 | lardman | _Monkey: forget coming |
| 14:41.46 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot coming |
| 14:41.49 | lardman | _Monkey: forget vegai |
| 14:41.50 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot vegai |
| 14:42.25 | pupnik | don't forget to set <reply> |
| 14:42.36 | pupnik | _Monkey: coming is <reply> |
| 14:42.37 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 14:42.46 | pupnik | which is totally annoying to have to do |
| 14:43.00 | captlloyd | Nov 23, 2007 7:54 AM At local FedEx facility <--- I think I get it today, yay :) |
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| 14:44.10 | Jaffa | captlloyd: not a way to win friends ;-p |
| 14:44.46 | Khertan | coming |
| 14:44.56 | sp3000 | tmi |
| 14:44.59 | Khertan | _Monkey coming |
| 14:45.00 | _Monkey | Khertan: what? |
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| 14:45.11 | Khertan | _Monkey |
| 14:45.12 | _Monkey | Khertan? |
| 14:45.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:45.33 | GNUton | bye |
| 14:46.12 | pupnik | i'm pondering a raised plastic ring for the N810 dpad |
| 14:46.12 | lophyte | morning all |
| 14:46.48 | pupnik | would need to have some stickyness but not too much - maybe double-sided tape |
| 14:48.43 | Khertan | me i hope the sliding keyboard will not be too fragil |
| 14:50.17 | Khertan | http://www.redferret.net/Images/eleksen2sidedfabrickeyboard_small.jpg < very funny |
| 14:51.06 | lardman | alpha on one side & calc on the other? |
| 14:51.36 | Khertan | http://europe.nokia.com/A4680127 the changelog for the new firmware :) |
| 14:52.08 | Khertan | many explications, details on the changes ... |
| 14:52.17 | czr | "This release includes a fix for stability improvement. We recommend everyone to upgrade to this software release." |
| 14:52.18 | lardman | :) |
| 14:52.23 | czr | they fixed the stability improvement! |
| 14:52.27 | captlloyd | YAY! |
| 14:52.31 | captlloyd | Stability improvement |
| 14:52.34 | czr | now it's unstable again. |
| 14:52.41 | Khertan | lol |
| 14:53.01 | captlloyd | yeah, I am so glad they fixed that. |
| 14:53.16 | czr | it really got on my nerves :-) |
| 14:53.19 | captlloyd | the tablets were just TOO stable before the fix |
| 14:53.21 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:53.41 | czr | captlloyd, yeah, how on earth does Nokia suppose people can even use them for development? :-) |
| 14:53.58 | alterego | Yeah, stability is for people who like being robots. |
| 14:54.07 | czr | yeah! |
| 14:54.11 | Khertan | the bug wich i hope they fix is on the thumb keyboard ... double all my sentence each time |
| 14:54.37 | alterego | I'd like them to sort out the vkb in microb .. |
| 14:55.09 | L0cutus | hu ? |
| 14:55.35 | Khertan | ha ! |
| 14:55.40 | alterego | Using it for form entry is a joke. |
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| 14:56.32 | L0cutus | a new firmware to leak ? :) |
| 14:56.38 | alterego | Urgh .. Don't .. My hangover has only just subsided ;) |
| 14:56.44 | Khertan | using it is a joke :) |
| 14:56.51 | lardman | alterego: hair of the dog |
| 14:57.00 | Jaffa | L0cutus: it's not a leak, the N810 is launched in some US shops |
| 14:57.22 | L0cutus | i mean for our n800 :) |
| 14:57.32 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:57.41 | Jaffa | Well, "leak" is still wrong - "hack" is better :) |
| 14:57.50 | alterego | Mrs. Jaffa .. That's cute ;) |
| 14:57.51 | L0cutus | hehe |
| 14:58.02 | alterego | Well, it would be more cute if you were Jabba |
| 14:58.15 | Jaffa | TTOTD: Women don't like being referenced as Jabba *ever*. |
| 14:58.24 | alterego | ;) |
| 14:58.25 | Jaffa | Trust me, I've learnt this from personal experience ;-) |
| 14:58.30 | alterego | Hahah |
| 14:58.38 | alterego | I'm not that stupid :P |
| 14:58.46 | lardman | lol |
| 14:59.11 | czr | we can't know that alterego |
| 14:59.26 | alterego | Well .. I'm not _that_ stupid ;) |
| 14:59.38 | alterego | I openly admit I'm a huge dumbass ;) |
| 14:59.39 | czr | we can't know _that_ either :-) |
| 14:59.48 | lardman | it may be that every time you say something like that she knocks you unconsicious and you forget what you did wrong |
| 14:59.57 | czr | heh |
| 15:00.00 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:00.10 | alterego | Yes, that sounds plausible. |
| 15:00.52 | czr | hmm. that could work at work too. "Why isn't your stuff done yet?!" "I Don't know. I started working on it last week, and then somehow monday turned into friday. I have no idea" |
| 15:00.59 | Jaffa | And then aliens abduct you, to experiment on the best way to torture a developer waiting for the N810 release. |
| 15:01.06 | alterego | Hahah |
| 15:01.30 | alterego | I'm still convinced that the N810 is just a bad joke :P |
| 15:01.40 | bedboi | lol |
| 15:01.46 | lardman | there's surely only one worse torture, to see the web stores come on line one by one, but not your one! |
| 15:02.00 | czr | you could fake one lardman |
| 15:02.06 | czr | no one would ever know the difference |
| 15:02.11 | Jaffa | New phishing scam to collect loads of device codes ;-) |
| 15:02.32 | czr | err. why do you even need to collect them :-) |
| 15:02.37 | Jaffa | Sell them on, make a huge profit. Retire to a desert island and never worry about Maemo again |
| 15:02.38 | alterego | They'll carry on with this release stuff. Then I'll order one, December 25th some fat guy in a red coat will knock on the door, open up his bag and give me an empty box with a note in it saying "Fooled You! MERRY CHRISTMAS!" |
| 15:02.39 | czr | just get the OID list and test those |
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| 15:03.18 | czr | alterego, "And I'm a woman btw!" |
| 15:03.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:04.11 | Jaffa | And real :) |
| 15:05.22 | alterego | Quim Gill is a women?! |
| 15:05.44 | Jaffa | Quim Gil is fat? |
| 15:05.49 | czr | yeah. that's where the Gill Sans font got the name! |
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| 15:05.53 | czr | (sans = without in latin) |
| 15:05.58 | Jaffa | heh |
| 15:06.00 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:06.14 | shackan | lardman, any luck with pvr.ko ? |
| 15:06.21 | czr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_Sans |
| 15:06.23 | lardman | Latin? French too |
| 15:06.44 | alterego | lardman, you know where French came from don't you ;) |
| 15:06.51 | lardman | shackan: I've been battling with OE to build an image with GCC 3.4.4, oldish libc and OABI |
| 15:07.09 | lardman | alterego: yeah, not England, so it must be rubbish? |
| 15:07.10 | alterego | lardman, couldn't you just use buildroot? |
| 15:07.17 | lardman | alterego: ;) |
| 15:07.18 | alterego | lardman, it's not like you need a full system is it? |
| 15:07.25 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:07.40 | shackan | lardman: sounds like you're spending a whole weekend getting it work :) |
| 15:07.42 | lardman | Yes, I want to run the opengl stuff too if possible |
| 15:07.44 | alterego | buildroot is super easy .. |
| 15:07.53 | lardman | what's buildroot? |
| 15:07.53 | _Monkey | buildroot is, like, super easy |
| 15:07.56 | alterego | lardman, sure you can compile X with buildroot |
| 15:08.10 | shackan | lardman: have you tried the vincent3d port linked on ITT ? |
| 15:08.24 | alterego | _Monkey buildroot is a cross-platform rootfs from scratch building tool. |
| 15:08.24 | _Monkey | ...but buildroot is super easy ..... |
| 15:08.26 | czr | lardman: do you want to continue? Yes/Yes |
| 15:08.56 | lardman | shackan: no, I'm not bothered with opengl per se (his port is software only), I want to decipher the comms between the kernel driver and the user-space side code |
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| 15:09.19 | shackan | I know it's software only |
| 15:09.21 | alterego | _Monkey your mom is super easy |
| 15:09.22 | _Monkey | OK, alterego. |
| 15:09.25 | lardman | I think I should be able to create a Poky image, I met some bugs, they should have been fixed |
| 15:10.27 | lardman | shackan: I have spent all this week, every evening (gf not best pleased) trying to debug my OE build though |
| 15:11.00 | czr | lardman, why would your GeForce mind? |
| 15:11.01 | alterego | lardman, seriously buildroot can help :) It'll even generate a jffs or squashfs image for you :) |
| 15:11.09 | shackan | lardman: ouch :) |
| 15:11.15 | lardman | czr: lol |
| 15:11.20 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:11.32 | shackan | lardman: gonna use mmiotrace on the driver once it works ? |
| 15:11.45 | lardman | alterego: do you have an url, I'll take a look if OE doesn't work (it does the same thing though) |
| 15:11.58 | alterego | lardman, it's part of the uclibc project. |
| 15:12.12 | lardman | shackan: to tell the truth I haven't the faintest idea, I learn as I go along |
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| 15:12.40 | alterego | lardman, http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ |
| 15:12.54 | shackan | lardman: I see, you hacked with the DSP too haven't ya? |
| 15:12.56 | lardman | alterego: ah, I thought it was maemo specific, in that case OE does the same job so I'll stick with what I know (but will take a look at the link, thanks) |
| 15:13.24 | alterego | Well, if OE is dying on you. buildroot is simple and just works :P |
| 15:13.31 | lardman | shackan: yeah, DSP hacking is still going on, just got sidetracked with Jazelle & PowerVR |
| 15:14.07 | shackan | lardman: could it be used (I mean, would it make sense to use it) to accelerate some ogl functions ? |
| 15:14.12 | lardman | alterego: but does it just work for an old setup (ie old gcc, old libc, old ABI)? - that's the problem with OE, these things are old and therefore have broken |
| 15:14.32 | shackan | lardman: of course just to learn dsp coding, mostly |
| 15:14.35 | alterego | It should do you can select the versions of packages to install. |
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| 15:14.41 | kulve | lardman: what do you need from the oabi rootfs? |
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| 15:14.59 | lardman | shackan: it's possible, but I think the hardware is pretty good (if it could be made to work). I understand that the link isn't that fast ARM<->DSP, which is why Nokia stopped doing video there |
| 15:16.06 | lardman | kulve: I'm after an entire rootfs + kernel - I want to run the opengl + powervr mbx stuff and see if it works |
| 15:16.26 | lardman | shackan: you are doing some DSP stuff too? |
| 15:16.52 | kulve | "entire" i.e. X and everything it needs? |
| 15:17.00 | shackan | lardman: oh not yet, sounded like a fun thing to do |
| 15:17.26 | lardman | kulve: perhaps, some of the binaries will just test the hardware, talk to it, but if I can match the X11 version then that would be pretty cool too |
| 15:17.55 | kulve | what x11 version would you need? |
| 15:18.17 | shackan | lardman: what kernel version is your blob built for ? |
| 15:18.59 | lardman | shackan: blob is 2.6.14, but that can be stripped and I've inserted it in the current kernel (though it just sits there and does nothing) |
| 15:19.06 | lardman | kulve: let me look, hang on |
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| 15:20.19 | lardman | Well I have libX11.so.6.2.1 |
| 15:20.38 | lardman | though how one can tell whether it's kdrive, or this or that I don't know |
| 15:21.21 | lardman | actually X version doesn't matter, it all comes as binaries as it's been patched |
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| 15:21.35 | lardman | give away is the fact that usr/bin/Xmbx is called that |
| 15:22.00 | lardman | vegai: did you screw your eyes up and think very very hard about an N810? |
| 15:22.09 | czr | _Monkey, 800 + 10 |
| 15:22.10 | _Monkey | 810 |
| 15:22.17 | czr | there |
| 15:22.22 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:22.33 | lardman | _Monkey: 200Nm in lb.ft |
| 15:22.33 | _Monkey | lardman: sorry... |
| 15:22.39 | lardman | doesn't do torque |
| 15:22.53 | lardman | nor does google, disappointing |
| 15:23.02 | alterego | _Monkey 99 EUR in GBP |
| 15:23.02 | _Monkey | alterego: excuse me? |
| 15:23.06 | alterego | Meh, |
| 15:23.13 | alterego | Rubybot used google for that stuff :) |
| 15:23.15 | lardman | convert ... perhaps |
| 15:24.01 | Khertan | i ve made an screenlet to monitoring the change on the europe nokia store :) |
| 15:25.14 | vegai | lardman: there one sacrificed goat I'll never see again :-/ |
| 15:25.16 | pupnik | nothing happens for me until i get the email from maemo.org anyway |
| 15:25.59 | pupnik | this waiting stuff is horrible though. i wish i could stop thinking about it |
| 15:26.40 | lardman | vegai: :) |
| 15:26.55 | czr | pupnik, learn arm asm meanwhile? |
| 15:27.35 | lardman | czr: only takes a day ;) |
| 15:27.51 | Jaffa | ARM assembler's lurvely |
| 15:27.52 | czr | lardman, poop. :-) |
| 15:27.52 | pupnik | i'm slogging through my dosbox frontend right now |
| 15:28.05 | czr | nothing can be learned properly in a day |
| 15:28.21 | czr | except finding out what kind of people lawyers are really |
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| 15:29.38 | lardman | czr: true, took a couple of week's worth of evenings I reckon |
| 15:30.50 | czr | one of the more interesting archs to learn was EPIC |
| 15:31.01 | czr | it was/is really something. |
| 15:31.13 | lardman | it's actually hard to find stuff on the internet, ARM is in Intel syntax and everything about inline asm is in AT&T, bloody frustrating! |
| 15:31.45 | czr | although, the mcs assemblers from intel actually used a very similar syntax as well |
| 15:31.45 | lardman | same here |
| 15:31.47 | czr | mcs-51 ones |
| 15:32.18 | czr | makes the blurb at least semi-readable |
| 15:32.31 | lardman | I should really buy a book, as I do sometimes need to know things (like the preamble and postamble or whatever they're called) and can't remember where I found it on the net |
| 15:32.57 | pupnik | i have a snes emu lying around that just needs a high-resolution timer - nice little arm hack project |
| 15:33.04 | czr | I write notes to myself. normally do a separate 'play' project for each arch and write commented examples there |
| 15:33.11 | czr | that way I can find the stuff easily afterwards |
| 15:33.31 | czr | my svn is filled with all kinds of small projects like that |
| 15:33.41 | lardman | czr: good plan |
| 15:34.12 | czr | like I never quite remember which include files to use with gcc for xmm intrisics |
| 15:34.20 | czr | or how to do the inline asm version of rdtsc and such |
| 15:34.43 | lardman | beyond me, I just learned what I needed to to hack Jazelle |
| 15:35.02 | czr | oh. that's for x86. I don't do arm really. |
| 15:35.03 | lardman | so coprocessor access, other basic bits and all inline |
| 15:36.19 | czr | ample should be sample. but it shouldn't really. bleh :-) |
| 15:39.19 | itnomad | exit |
| 15:43.06 | Khertan | someone know if there is documentation about using camera on n800 with python ? |
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| 15:43.48 | czr | food-time(tm) -> |
| 15:44.04 | lophyte | Khertan, there's a python API called "easy" that makes it simple |
| 15:44.09 | lophyte | Khertan, easy.garage.maemo.org |
| 15:44.26 | lophyte | its as simple as easy.click("mysnapshot.jpg") |
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| 15:49.26 | lopz | hola |
| 15:49.27 | _Monkey | salut, lopz |
| 15:50.19 | X-Fade | Hmm Adam Curry seems to have got his N810. http://m-uk.podshow.com/media/21/episodes/88366/dailysourcecode-88366-11-23-2007.mp3 |
| 15:50.36 | X-Fade | Talks a lot about it about 5 minutes into the podcast.. |
| 15:51.35 | Jaffa | Had it since Tuesday according to http://www.curry.com/ |
| 15:51.45 | X-Fade | Yep. |
| 15:51.50 | X-Fade | And is running Video center.. |
| 15:51.57 | X-Fade | Which is not available yet.. |
| 15:52.15 | Okko | what's video center? |
| 15:52.57 | Jaffa | Video Center is http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 15:53.42 | Okko | has nokia recruited curry? |
| 15:54.03 | Jaffa | X-Fade: VC not available for OS2008? |
| 15:54.07 | X-Fade | Okko: No, but he owned a N800 too. Talked a lot about it.. |
| 15:54.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Nope. |
| 15:54.14 | Okko | Jaffa: thanks |
| 15:54.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: yet ;) |
| 15:54.30 | Khertan | lophyte> thanks i ll get a look to this api ... but it s seems not available yet for chinook |
| 15:54.38 | Khertan | but i could look how they do :) |
| 15:54.52 | lophyte | Khertan, ah, yeah I don't know about chinook... |
| 15:54.57 | lophyte | I'm on bora atm |
| 15:55.04 | Okko | X-Fade: just wondering since he has visited the nokia hq |
| 15:55.25 | X-Fade | Okko: Yeah, podshow is going to sell them too. With discounts.. |
| 15:55.33 | alterego | I'm gonna watch Razor. |
| 15:55.59 | Jaffa | Khertan: given it's just Python it should work fine on Chinook unless the DBUS calls it uses have changed |
| 15:56.23 | lophyte | that's true too |
| 15:56.35 | Khertan | really easy to use :camera.click('filename') |
| 15:57.21 | Okko | wonder when the nexst model will come out |
| 15:57.26 | Okko | -s |
| 15:57.29 | Khertan | Jaffa > as i don't like depending on framework for small program i could look at their source :) |
| 15:57.40 | Okko | planning to skip N810 in the product line :) |
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| 15:58.25 | Jaffa | Khertan: seems odd to re-invent the wheel, TBH. Happens all too often in software development, it's probably problem #1 in s/w engineering at the moment |
| 16:00.35 | Khertan | Jaffa > it's true ... but framework are often ... too heavy ... for small things |
| 16:00.49 | vegai | problem #2 is that the old wheels were round, the new wheels are octahedrons |
| 16:01.18 | Khertan | jaffa > but as this framework seem's to be really well build ... i could use only the camera module without loading and integrated the other |
| 16:01.37 | Jaffa | Khertan: one would hope - otherwise you could raise it as a bug :) |
| 16:02.13 | Jaffa | In fact, it looks like camera.py only depends on easy_exceptions and the rest is "normal" |
| 16:02.39 | Khertan | problem #3 : many framework can do many things, use many ressources, need more time to implements instead for using only one function |
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| 16:03.04 | Jaffa | problem Â#4: even small programs become big programs eventually |
| 16:03.38 | GNUton | http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2007/11/23/qt4-on-maemo-screenshots/ |
| 16:03.55 | Jaffa | GNUton: cool |
| 16:04.19 | Khertan | Jaffa > problem #5 : many people want one program for doing all things where there are already others program for doing all this thing |
| 16:04.33 | GNUton | Jaffa: :) |
| 16:04.40 | Jaffa | GNUton: any chance of a Qt theme to better fit the gtk one? Is there a Gtk/Qt bridge you could use to do the menu integration? |
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| 16:05.38 | Jaffa | Doh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99027#post99027 |
| 16:05.50 | Khertan | GNUton> very nice site |
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| 16:06.07 | Jaffa | Short version: Nokia Europe said "the N810 will not be avaialble for a few weeks (December for sure) in Europe" |
| 16:06.22 | GNUton | Jaffa: i'll try to write some patch for Qt! |
| 16:06.28 | GNUton | Khertan: thank you |
| 16:06.59 | Khertan | great wp theme |
| 16:07.10 | Khertan | and nice content |
| 16:07.14 | GNUton | Khertan: :) |
| 16:07.58 | Khertan | do you have a traduction for this doc ? : http://www.gnuton.org/blog/docs/realizzare-un-repository-debian/ |
| 16:08.17 | lardman | translation |
| 16:08.30 | Khertan | translation sorry :) thanks lardman |
| 16:09.07 | Khertan | speaking in english with keyboard and in french on phone isn't easy :) |
| 16:09.21 | GNUton | Khertan: no, i'm sorry |
| 16:09.53 | lardman | Khertan: I can imagine |
| 16:10.15 | GNUton | i have to go! bye! |
| 16:10.29 | lardman | to the pub! |
| 16:10.38 | Khertan | lol |
| 16:13.22 | Khertan | i like the class easy_exception from the framework easy : class EasyError(Exception): pass |
| 16:13.26 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:13.35 | Khertan | nice error managment :) |
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| 16:24.52 | Khertan | bye |
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| 16:30.18 | Jaffa | Heh, two blog posts pretty much at the same time on the same issue (N810 delays, availability and discount codes) both currently top on pmo |
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| 16:31.38 | ramo102 | Hi everybody |
| 16:32.31 | ramo102 | I tries to run a .wav file with mplayer, but it doesn't work... neither with -ao option... some hints? |
| 16:32.51 | Jaffa | .wav is a container format; the contents could be unsupported. |
| 16:33.01 | Jaffa | Need to see command line and full mplayer output |
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| 16:50.52 | ramo102 | http://pastebin.com/d5a39b94a |
| 16:52.14 | Jaffa | Not seen that before. Looks like it's a straight forward WAV. Perhaps raise on mplayer.garage.maemo.org ? |
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| 17:02.22 | lopz | re |
| 17:07.16 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.36 | lopz | brb |
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| 17:47.39 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 17:48.17 | Tieku | hi |
| 17:49.46 | Tieku | haha pretty cool |
| 17:49.53 | Jaffa | lo andy80 |
| 17:50.13 | Tieku | i jsut bought an n800, so impressed considering getting an n770 :) |
| 17:50.24 | Andy80 | I know why n810 will arrive later here in europe... |
| 17:52.34 | Andy80 | Nokia signed an agreement with Santa Klaus and he will bring us our devices :p |
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| 17:53.22 | Tieku | :) |
| 17:53.36 | Tieku | its an amazing piece of hardware.... and open source |
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| 18:02.36 | mgedmin | well, parts of it are open source |
| 18:03.39 | pupnik | what are you missing? |
| 18:03.44 | lophyte | Tieku, why would you want a 770 if you have the n800 o_o |
| 18:04.27 | Tieku | lophyte: Its cheap to pick up second hand and means i can hack across the two plateforms :) i want to write useful tutorials |
| 18:04.34 | lophyte | haha |
| 18:04.47 | lophyte | true enough |
| 18:05.29 | lophyte | I'm kinda anxious to start developing on it but I'm at a loss for project ideas, lol |
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| 18:05.58 | Tieku | I just spent a couple of nights managing to access my samba share across the network :D |
| 18:06.20 | pupnik | lophyte: many things to do. do you know any GTK or SDL? |
| 18:06.29 | shackan | what a sick way to spend the night |
| 18:06.38 | lophyte | yeah but I'm a python dev, not C |
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| 18:31.54 | suihkulokki | fuck |
| 18:32.28 | lardman|away | ? |
| 18:32.29 | suihkulokki | where is libqdm3 ? |
| 18:32.57 | suihkulokki | or whaterver is the lib maemo mapper it2008 wants |
| 18:33.25 | lardman | no idea, I've not installed it yet |
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| 18:34.55 | lardman | still no n810 in the uk store :( |
| 18:35.57 | flatface | I'm having trouble trying to connect to my college's wifi with the n800/os2k8, using WPA/PEAP/MSCHAPv2... It just says "Authentication failed. Try again". Is there any way of viewing a logfile or something? There's nothing of interest in /var/log/. |
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| 18:36.37 | keesj | flatface: did you try dmesg? |
| 18:36.43 | kulve | flatface: or install syslog |
| 18:36.58 | kulve | (it floods alot, so don't keep it on when you don't want it) |
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| 18:37.55 | flatface | I'll try that, keesj, thanks |
| 18:38.10 | flatface | kulve: Will do, if I find out how to tether it to my laptop (or copy the deb file over) |
| 18:39.53 | flatface | Nothing in dmesg |
| 18:43.03 | kulve | I think the sysklogd depends on klogd. Connect the n800 to your laptop, copy the file to usb mass storage, install the deps |
| 18:44.19 | flatface | kk. |
| 18:49.53 | lardman | it's all the automatic news announcement checker scripts |
| 18:50.40 | flatface | Ack. Aren't they using RSS? |
| 18:51.01 | lardman | I'm only joking, they have other issues for some reason |
| 18:51.29 | flatface | Ah, heh |
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| 18:52.51 | flatface | Hm, can't find klogd or syslog at downloads.maemo.org under os2k7. Is it part of the SDK? |
| 19:03.25 | flatface | Aha! Got it connected. I had to set it up like explained on some forum thread... I tried connecting, it gave me an error, I reconnected, it gave me a different message, but it works fine now |
| 19:04.20 | flatface | Thanks for the suggestions |
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| 19:18.35 | K`zan | Morning all |
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| 19:27.23 | flatface | Morning. |
| 19:27.24 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 19:34.40 | niteOwl | Working on debugging dates crash issue - I seem to be a bit rusty on this debugging stuff in particular use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. So I guess it's time to ask for a little help...I have a debug version of libecal and have tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to it, yet when I run run-standalone.sh gdb ./dates and reproduce the crash it still does not give me the line number of the crash - and various messages mentionin |
| 19:35.41 | mgedmin | I've heard that you won't get any useful debugging info from armel binaries unless you recompile them without the -fomit-frame-pointer flag |
| 19:35.53 | niteOwl | The man page on ld is a bit confusing - my memory says that I should use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for link time changes, and LD_RUN_PATH for run-time changes of search path - I have tried both and neither seem to work as I hope them to |
| 19:35.55 | mgedmin | people usually recommed debugging in a x86 target in scratchbox |
| 19:36.26 | niteOwl | mgedmin: thanks - interesting. So far I'm using SDK_X86 for my target though |
| 19:36.54 | mgedmin | ah, okay |
| 19:37.05 | mgedmin | hm, LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... no idea |
| 19:38.07 | niteOwl | yes, I thought LD_LIBRARY_PATH would work too. That is what you are saying? right? |
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| 20:01.22 | Andy80 | is maemo.org down at the moment? |
| 20:06.29 | kulve | seems to be |
| 20:06.33 | kulve | (again) |
| 20:06.46 | kulve | and it's friday. Maybe it's back up on monday.. |
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| 20:18.05 | X-Fade | It works for me at the moment? |
| 20:18.32 | Jaffa | ditto |
| 20:24.28 | rubiks | wow n810 pushed back |
| 20:25.12 | X-Fade | rubiks: It isn't pushed back. They sell loads of them. |
| 20:25.18 | X-Fade | On the other side of the pond ;) |
| 20:25.25 | rubiks | o ok |
| 20:25.30 | rubiks | i c now |
| 20:25.51 | rubiks | so os2008 still for dec? |
| 20:25.53 | X-Fade | I guess they wanted to have enough there for Thanksgiving orso :D |
| 20:27.44 | X-Fade | It is anyones guess when OS2008 will be out for N800. On a friday most likely. But which one... |
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| 20:39.01 | niteOwl | any maemo hackers here? |
| 20:39.25 | niteOwl | I'm trying to decipher the maemo wiki page on debugging setup |
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| 20:40.26 | Andy80 | hey people! |
| 20:40.27 | niteOwl | something about native gdb versus maemo gdb (why is there even a difference?) under scratchboc |
| 20:40.41 | Andy80 | a new Os2008 release for N810 is out! |
| 20:40.46 | Andy80 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:41.09 | Andy80 | really don't know what it fixes, but it's out |
| 20:41.34 | p| | yes, we have see :) |
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| 20:42.03 | Andy80 | ah ok ;) |
| 20:42.17 | Andy80 | ok, see ya later :) |
| 20:42.21 | niteOwl | In addition the page describes the native gdb as being located at /usr/bin/gdb and the one which should be used for debugging particularly if one cares about threads - yet goes on to describe setting up an alias which seems to set the sb scratchbox ignore redirect environ var - which, as I understand it from earlier on the page - is how you get to the NON-NATIVE or maemo version of gdb... |
| 20:42.37 | niteOwl | great - conflicting info it seems to me - at the least confusing |
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| 20:43.45 | niteOwl | This make sense to anyone else? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html Am I wrong in my understanding - perhaps I have it backwards and one must use that variable to get the native gdb |
| 20:43.57 | niteOwl | ..confused |
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| 20:49.40 | niteOwl | The doc remains confusing - due in part to introducing more terminology. First they describe "scratchbox supplied gdb" , then the other variety which is "maemo gdb" Then proceed to say always to use something called "native gdb" - Apparently this means the one installed by apt-get install gdb otherwise known as "maemo gdb". I will try this...and see if it works |
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| 20:51.52 | K`zan | niteOwl: Yes, it is. Started installing 2008 dev in a vmware vm last night after the stuff fest (Thanksgiving) and I think I screwed it up being in a too much food induced coma at the time :-). Going to see if I can recover today :-). |
| 20:52.40 | K`zan | Wish there was a vmware appliance for 2008, but all there is, is for 2006 and 2007... |
| 20:53.04 | K`zan | I knew I should have snapshotted that before I started after dinner :). |
| 20:55.13 | lophyte | I accidentally uninstalled osso-browser.. is there a way to restore it? |
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| 21:05.44 | kulve | lophyte: apt-get install osso-browser? |
| 21:05.56 | lophyte | doesn't exist |
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| 21:06.58 | kulve | hmm.. so it seems.. |
| 21:09.01 | lophyte | yeah |
| 21:09.05 | lophyte | hence why I asked |
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| 21:14.32 | K`zan | Any dev's around that might be able to tell me if, presuming I screwed up the dev stuff install, if I can just start over or do I need to re-install deb again before I do? |
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| 21:19.04 | niteOwl | scratchbox borken: :-( maemo-af-desktop did not exit properly on the previous session. All home plugins will be disabled. |
| 21:19.09 | niteOwl | any ideas? |
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| 21:40.05 | niteOwl | ok broken sb fixed - just needed to run af-sb-init.sh stop |
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| 21:41.06 | niteOwl | still need to figure out why LD_LRARY_PATH is not helping me easily switch to using a debug version of the library where a problem is occuring... |
| 21:41.24 | niteOwl | LD_LIBRARY_PATH (of course) |
| 21:47.23 | czr | niteOwl, there was another envvar that you had to set, in sbox LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not the right one |
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| 22:32.08 | maddler | evening all... |
| 22:33.13 | Tieku | evenning... |
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| 22:34.28 | K`zan | I removed rapsody using application manager, but it is still on the menu, how do I get rid of it from there? |
| 22:34.52 | K`zan | Also, fmradio doesn't have a menu entry, is there some way to make one for it? |
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| 22:48.23 | K`zan | Figured out fmradio :). |
| 22:48.33 | K`zan | Now to get rid of rapsody... |
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| 22:56.00 | K`zan | Squashed the little bugger... |
| 22:56.08 | K`zan | :-). |
| 22:56.21 | K`zan | Less sure would be nice to have... |
| 22:57.01 | kaltsi | less is in the sdk repository |
| 22:57.53 | K`zan | kaltsi: Tried apt-get install less and it didn't work :-(. |
| 22:58.03 | kaltsi | what did it say? |
| 22:58.18 | K`zan | hold, lemme move the term over here. |
| 22:58.46 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-39:/# apt-get install less |
| 22:58.46 | K`zan | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:58.46 | K`zan | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 22:58.46 | K`zan | elb: Couldn't find package less |
| 22:59.01 | kaltsi | do you have the sdk repository? |
| 22:59.11 | kaltsi | repository.maemo.org bora free non-free |
| 22:59.15 | K`zan | Probably missing the right repository, lets see if I can figure that one out :). |
| 22:59.18 | kaltsi | (for os2007) |
| 22:59.27 | K`zan | Thank you Sir, just what I need! |
| 22:59.39 | kaltsi | for os2008 otherwise the same but chinook instead of bora |
| 22:59.50 | K`zan | still on 2007 here... |
| 23:00.12 | K`zan | Going to wipe the deb vm install and start all over to get the 2008 sdk installed. |
| 23:00.28 | K`zan | THis time I won't start it after Thanksgiving dinner :) |
| 23:00.40 | kaltsi | :) |
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| 23:03.25 | K`zan | Even got it entered in application manager correctly, I think, trying again. |
| 23:04.28 | kaltsi | hm? |
| 23:04.49 | kaltsi | you might want to install it from command line (xterm) with apt-get |
| 23:05.48 | K`zan | kaltsi: Yes, couldn't find it in the application manager, installed from cli with no problem. MUCH appreciated! |
| 23:05.58 | kaltsi | no prob :) |
| 23:06.13 | K`zan | After being stuck with more for the first time in AGES, less is indeed more :-). |
| 23:06.27 | kaltsi | the app manager needs to be in 'red pill' mode to see it there, but I can't recommend that unless you want to see tons of sdk related packages there too |
| 23:06.56 | K`zan | kaltsi: Understand, I had red pill set, but changed back because of the quantity shown :). |
| 23:07.13 | K`zan | Need a button to set and reset it :). LOL. |
| 23:07.16 | K`zan | FOOD! |
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