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| 00:06.44 | Thana64 | czr, i don't like the new chinook graphical system, imho is better the bora one, but the system seems like to be a lot better :) |
| 00:07.39 | pygi | Thana64: read what you wrote again :p |
| 00:07.59 | alterego | Yeah .. That didn't make any sense to me .. |
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| 00:12.05 | Thana64 | pygi, sorry, i was out... let me see |
| 00:12.13 | Thana64 | pygi, sorry, i don't found your nickname |
| 00:12.37 | pygi | ehm, what are you talking about :P |
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| 00:13.39 | Thana64 | oh |
| 00:14.07 | Thana64 | nothing, just that i like more the graphical system of bora, chinook is ugly IMHO, but the system looks be a lot better than bora |
| 00:14.39 | alterego | You have a strange sense of aesthetics .. |
| 00:15.16 | Thana64 | why ? |
| 00:16.16 | Thana64 | the new one is more simple... but less eyecandy |
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| 00:17.00 | alterego | You don't think true transparency is more eye candy? |
| 00:17.30 | alterego | Thana64, http://alterego.freeshell.org/screenshot-2007-11-14-17-26-58.png |
| 00:18.09 | Thana64 | hum... that's not exactly the one that i have see... |
| 00:18.15 | Thana64 | yes, that looks a lot better |
| 00:18.19 | alterego | ;) |
| 00:18.30 | Thana64 | composite.. |
| 00:18.31 | alterego | What have you been looking at? A windows XP screenshot? |
| 00:18.55 | Thana64 | LOL |
| 00:20.31 | pygi | alterego: I told you not to mention that in front of the parrots :P |
| 00:20.51 | alterego | Parrots? |
| 00:21.01 | alterego | Does that make me a Pirate? |
| 00:21.11 | pygi | no idea :) |
| 00:23.08 | alterego | Jeez, I'm gonna have to go to bed soon and I'm not finished yet :S |
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| 01:05.16 | |tbb| | is there a plug in for claws which notify u with led flashing when a new mail is arrived or anything like that? |
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| 02:15.37 | rhykin | is there anyway to reorganize the items in application menu? |
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| 02:22.18 | K`zan | rhykin: 2008? |
| 02:22.19 | _Monkey | 2008 is probably the year of the open handheld/phone |
| 02:23.11 | K`zan | rhykin: I had a hell of a time getting any apps to move to other folders in 2008 and the only way to get rid of them is to uninstall them in application mananger. |
| 02:25.02 | K`zan | rhykin: You can, in theory, drag them from one folder to another, but as noted I did that up to 100 times on some and they just would not move, others moved after 5-10 tries, hope you have better luck. Went back to 2007 over that :-/. |
| 02:28.00 | rhykin | im running 2007 |
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| 02:39.36 | |R | If i'm to mostly package something, should i start a garage project (what to do with SVN then?) or just do it on my own server (making it a pain to find / get...) ? |
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| 02:56.02 | penguinbait | anyone watched the video on the n810 firmware? |
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| 03:06.35 | fysa | mplayer out for n810 yet? |
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| 03:25.46 | penguinbait | there is a devel version fysa |
| 03:27.22 | penguinbait | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel chinook free non-free |
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| 04:08.28 | zerojay | penguinbait: The N810 video clearly doesn't mean "processing speed", but flexibility of a desktop. |
| 04:09.38 | penguinbait | it says power |
| 04:09.47 | zerojay | Uh-huh. |
| 04:09.54 | zerojay | And...? |
| 04:09.59 | penguinbait | maybe they mean 110 |
| 04:10.21 | K`zan | Anyone know how to get rid of calls in Gizmo on the n800? PC apps work with a right click, how does one right click on the n800? |
| 04:10.39 | zerojay | "get rid of calls" means what exactly? |
| 04:10.40 | penguinbait | press and hold |
| 04:10.50 | K`zan | Err press and hold what? |
| 04:11.03 | K`zan | Ah, lemme try something |
| 04:11.43 | K`zan | Ah! Thanks VERY much penguinbait ! |
| 04:11.53 | penguinbait | np |
| 04:12.01 | K`zan | So press and hold is double click equivalent here? |
| 04:12.15 | K`zan | Or is that just in Gizmo? |
| 04:13.08 | penguinbait | everywhere |
| 04:13.21 | penguinbait | uh er, most places |
| 04:13.54 | zerojay | In general, click and hold = right click context menu and double tap = double click. |
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| 04:22.36 | K`zan | penguinbait: Thanks, that really helps :-)! |
| 04:23.21 | K`zan | zerojay: You too, appreciate the help. Loving this thing more as time goes on :-)! |
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| 04:44.08 | l7 | hey, i read somewhere that nokia will replace a new n800 if it even has one dead pixel |
| 04:44.18 | l7 | does anyone know if this is true for US customers? |
| 04:44.31 | l7 | or n810 for that matter |
| 04:54.44 | Tb0n3 | I has a stuck red pixel in my 770 |
| 04:54.45 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 04:54.50 | |R | uhm wtf... my link on the 500 developer program is dead and my account was somewhat reseted... (while other works) |
| 04:54.51 | Tb0n3 | but I only notice it on pure black |
| 04:58.55 | kulve | |R: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2321 |
| 04:59.17 | |R | heh ok.. |
| 05:02.01 | |R | http://maemo.org/profile/view/6c2971887a6311dc8281ffb8f775d379d379/ |
| 05:02.18 | |R | i can access my profile, but this link dies, is there a link between that bug and this? :) |
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| 05:12.21 | l7 | Tb0n3: :( |
| 05:12.28 | Tb0n3 | ? |
| 05:12.32 | l7 | probably too late to fix it now |
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| 05:12.38 | Tb0n3 | I got it on amazon |
| 05:12.43 | l7 | oh |
| 05:12.46 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 05:12.51 | Tb0n3 | 140 with a 1gig |
| 05:12.57 | l7 | did you ask amazon for a replacement 770? |
| 05:13.05 | Tb0n3 | it was an independent seller |
| 05:13.09 | l7 | i think nokia might fix the screen, never hurts to ask |
| 05:13.13 | l7 | ah, too bad |
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| 05:16.13 | l7 | apple has a pretty poor dead pixel policy despite their supposed superior quality control |
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| 05:20.20 | Syntra | Wow. |
| 05:20.33 | Syntra | I just tested out the N800's Video Capabilities. |
| 05:20.40 | Syntra | I also found out they don't exist. |
| 05:21.18 | |R | hee |
| 05:22.03 | Syntra | Are there ANY formats the N800 plays nice with? |
| 05:24.18 | mwester | Divx 400x240 works fine for me. |
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| 05:24.36 | mwester | mplayer is best, IMO. |
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| 05:28.03 | l7 | uh oh |
| 05:28.10 | l7 | so the n800 needs a converter? |
| 05:28.39 | l7 | i suppose full resolution video is out of the question |
| 05:29.01 | mwester | depends on how many frames per second you need ;) |
| 05:29.25 | mwester | 400x240 is about the limit AFAIK |
| 05:29.44 | l7 | well 15-30 fps |
| 05:29.53 | l7 | closer to 30fps would be nice :) |
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| 05:30.20 | l7 | well i guess 400x240 is close to the ipod's resolution |
| 05:30.45 | l7 | mwester: can it play stretched out to full screen? |
| 05:31.26 | mwester | I run it full-screen |
| 05:31.55 | l7 | is it choppy? |
| 05:32.29 | mwester | I haven't found it to be choppy, except when streaming from the network (and I blame that on my wireless network). |
| 05:32.52 | mwester | I just lowered the data rate for streaming video, and it works ok. |
| 05:36.05 | l7 | hmm |
| 05:36.21 | l7 | i wonder if the speed of your SD card affects video |
| 05:36.40 | |R | no |
| 05:36.48 | l7 | and / or the amount of swap? |
| 05:37.02 | |R | swap might benefit more i guess |
| 05:37.19 | |R | but video won't need more than 1MB/sec |
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| 05:39.31 | mariorz | anyone have the guile package for os2007 ? |
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| 05:48.59 | Syntra | OK, just about to give 352x240 DivX AVI a chance |
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| 05:49.39 | Syntra | WOW |
| 05:49.49 | Syntra | This converter must be screwed up or something |
| 05:50.03 | Syntra | 254MB's for a 1 and a half minute long video? |
| 05:50.05 | Syntra | Nothx. |
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| 05:50.56 | mwester | Syntra: That doesn't sound right at all. |
| 05:51.02 | Syntra | Yeah |
| 05:51.29 | Syntra | I'm trying it with a different video bitrate now... |
| 05:51.41 | Syntra | Oh Boy! 253MB's! |
| 05:52.03 | Syntra | So much smaller |
| 05:52.03 | mwester | What are you using to convert? |
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| 05:52.13 | Syntra | ArcSoft MediaConverter |
| 05:52.38 | Syntra | Well what converter do you use, perchance? |
| 05:54.22 | mwester | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 05:54.43 | Syntra | Tablet-Encode? |
| 05:54.44 | _Monkey | Tablet-Encode is the new name for 770-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 05:55.19 | Syntra | Alright |
| 05:56.27 | mwester | Yep. I actually use the mediaserv program to feed mythtv video -- it uses tablet-encode to do the dirty work. I've had no problems (that weren't of my own making, that is). |
| 05:57.01 | Syntra | Hah |
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| 05:57.20 | Syntra | But I wanna encode stuff so that my I can make use of my N800 in the car |
| 05:58.07 | mwester | Then just use tablet-encode manually -- give it the original video clip and tell it what quality you want the result, then copy that to your SD card. That works pretty well too. |
| 06:00.00 | Syntra | Alright |
| 06:00.50 | Syntra | Wait, is there another converter or something that only runs on windows? |
| 06:01.28 | mwester | tablet-encode claims to run on windows, doesn't it? |
| 06:02.15 | Syntra | Yeah |
| 06:02.20 | Syntra | Using the command line |
| 06:02.33 | Syntra | I just found "Media Converter" by Kontori |
| 06:02.40 | Syntra | It has a GUI! |
| 06:03.14 | Syntra | Haha |
| 06:03.25 | Syntra | Well, I'm not too big on the command line myself |
| 06:03.33 | Syntra | Which is why I don't use Ubuntu as much |
| 06:03.48 | |R | Syntra : it works well :) |
| 06:04.02 | Syntra | Sweet |
| 06:04.03 | l7 | i thought ubuntu was supposed to be user-friendly? |
| 06:04.12 | Syntra | It is |
| 06:04.12 | l7 | (read: less command line) |
| 06:04.16 | Syntra | Yeah |
| 06:04.20 | mwester | I just think of it this way: if its something that runs in the background (like a converter), then time spent by a developer on a fancy-schmancy GUI is time they DIDN'T spend on optimizing the software. |
| 06:04.41 | Syntra | Oh this is not Fancy Schmancy |
| 06:04.46 | l7 | maybe there is a frontend out there somewhere? |
| 06:04.54 | Syntra | But it is nicer than having to use the commandline. |
| 06:05.37 | |R | Media converter is a frontend to mencoder |
| 06:06.35 | Syntra | Wow, I'm liking that it shrunk a 10MB file to a 4MB file |
| 06:06.38 | Syntra | I'm happy now |
| 06:06.59 | Syntra | And in like 30 seconds (granted it was a minute and a half long video) |
| 06:07.02 | mariorz | guile1.6 installed :) |
| 06:07.16 | |R | If i'm to package something (Mostly without any code change), should i start a garage project (what to do with SVN then?) or just do it on my own server (making it a pain to find / get...) ? |
| 06:07.43 | |R | can it be disabled (SVN) as it would lead to code replication from the official repository... |
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| 06:13.10 | |R | anyone? :P |
| 06:22.18 | L0cutus | re |
| 06:25.21 | kulve | |R: you can make garage project even if you don't want to use the SVN there |
| 06:25.38 | truls | odd, python 2.5.1 (2.5.1-1osso3) in scratchbox seems to add build/lib.linux-i686-2.5 to sys.path, while the "normal" ubuntu one doesn't |
| 06:26.12 | |R | kulve : ah good, I'll apply for one then, hoping the SVN won't cause too much confusion :) |
| 06:26.57 | truls | you could move your source to it... |
| 06:27.13 | |R | well it's not my project |
| 06:27.17 | truls | i don't know if existing history is kept though, but it would be stupid if it wasn't |
| 06:27.20 | truls | ah |
| 06:27.27 | |R | I'm porting it mostly and packaging some stuff around too maybe |
| 06:27.34 | |R | but i'm not gonna play in the main code |
| 06:27.57 | truls | you'd still want to use svn for that though |
| 06:28.12 | truls | but only update the main code at certain points in time |
| 06:28.15 | |R | let's register one :) |
| 06:28.23 | |R | ok |
| 06:28.51 | truls | like your svn and the main code svn wouldn't be syncrhonized in any way, but it shouldn't have to be, right? |
| 06:29.02 | |R | yep |
| 06:29.18 | |R | i'm just going to use the main stuff in a way that is going to be pleasant on the n8x0 |
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| 06:32.03 | truls | sounds nice |
| 06:32.24 | truls | it's more work when you have a package that has to work fine on several platforms |
| 06:32.33 | truls | you only have to concentrate on making it work for the n8x0 |
| 06:32.34 | truls | :) |
| 06:33.13 | |R | hehe yes, well i'd like it to work on OpenMoko and other platforms too (OLPC, Eee, or whatever comes out with linux these days...) but ... anyway we'll start with maemo ;) |
| 06:33.27 | vegai | how about porting openmoko to n810? :) |
| 06:33.33 | |R | hehe |
| 06:33.53 | |R | We'd need the n810 to be a phone for this to be useful i think :) |
| 06:35.48 | truls | former one runs addbuilddir() |
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| 06:50.07 | doc|home | anyone here used these: http://www.nushield.com/manufacturer_detail.php?apptypeid=Laptop+%26amp%3B+Tablet+I-Z++&manufacturerid=Nokia++ any opinions on them? |
| 06:50.15 | doc|home | (screen protectors) |
| 06:53.15 | |R | doc|home i do |
| 06:53.33 | |R | they're a pain in the ass to apply, like every shield... |
| 06:53.39 | |R | but they work :) |
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| 06:54.02 | doc|home | those exact ones? why so? |
| 06:54.12 | |R | unless i'm mistaken |
| 06:54.14 | |R | give me a sec |
| 06:54.30 | doc|home | there are so many different types and the one that came on it is already scratches 4 or 5 times in 24 hours :/ |
| 06:54.36 | |R | oh no wait, a boxwave |
| 06:54.49 | |R | not the nushield or invishield... |
| 06:55.13 | |R | doc|home the original one is really just for protection during transport |
| 06:55.16 | doc|home | bah, I bought stuff from boxwave a coupe of weeks back, that's annoying :) |
| 06:55.23 | |R | hehe |
| 06:55.52 | doc|home | these ones are less expensive and use no adhesive, they clip in under the edge of the bezel |
| 06:56.09 | |R | urhm... |
| 06:56.11 | |R | sounds weird :) |
| 06:56.17 | doc|home | heh |
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| 07:29.22 | mbuf | how can i take a backup of the images on the N800? |
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| 07:45.36 | czr | mornink |
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| 07:48.00 | pupnik | mbuf: images = bmp, jpg, gif? |
| 07:49.02 | timelyx | _Monkey forget food |
| 07:49.03 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot food |
| 07:49.06 | timelyx | _Monkey food is <reply> |
| 07:49.07 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
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| 07:49.32 | mbuf | pupnik, filesystem images |
| 07:50.01 | mbuf | pupnik, other than dd, are there any tools to take a snapshot backup of the filesystem images? |
| 07:50.12 | pupnik | i think not |
| 07:50.26 | mbuf | pupnik, ok |
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| 07:50.49 | pupnik | i installed multiboot to do image backups |
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| 08:04.54 | swetland | don't suppose anyone knows if nokia has released a umac.ko for 2.6.23 or .24 or if there's an effort somewhere to do an open driver for the N800 wifi? ^^ |
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| 08:11.54 | vegai | what sort of people buy the Amazon Kindle? |
| 08:11.57 | vegai | bogglesome. |
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| 08:20.01 | captlloyd | yay, they shipped my N810 today |
| 08:20.54 | visy | :) |
| 08:21.36 | captlloyd | I was kinda annoyed that they said they came in on Monday and the even called me that day to make sure I still wanted my preorder, but then didn't ship until this last evening |
| 08:22.29 | captlloyd | I'm just excited :) |
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| 08:37.32 | mariorz | does anyone know in which dir the mails for the ail app are stored? i think it downlaod to many and cant start |
| 08:41.04 | pupnik | sry no |
| 08:43.49 | pupnik | mariorz: you can find recently changed files |
| 08:44.27 | pupnik | find / -ctime -10 |
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| 08:44.34 | pupnik | finds all files changed in last 10 hours |
| 08:46.34 | doc|home | anyone here used these: http://www.nushield.com/manufacturer_detail.php?apptypeid=Laptop+%26amp%3B+Tablet+I-Z++&manufacturerid=Nokia++ any opinions on them? |
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| 08:46.54 | mariorz | pupnik: thx |
| 08:52.51 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:29.17 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
| 09:32.23 | doc|home | can you add search engines to the drop down list? |
| 09:32.28 | doc|home | (in the applets) |
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| 09:33.43 | pupnik | from the 'Home' menu doc|home ? |
| 09:33.56 | doc|home | i.e the desktop? |
| 09:34.18 | pupnik | ok clicking on the globe in upper-left? |
| 09:35.05 | pupnik | you can manage bookmarks by clicking on bookmarks |
| 09:35.24 | pupnik | hit menu: bookmark->new |
| 09:35.54 | doc|home | right, nothing there listing google |
| 09:36.19 | sp3000 | the desktop search applet, I think he means |
| 09:36.25 | pupnik | well i have os2006 so it might ... ok i get it |
| 09:38.05 | doc|home | hmm, ok |
| 09:38.07 | doc|home | sleep time, night |
| 09:38.12 | pupnik | cheers |
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| 09:59.01 | Andy80 | _berto_: hi :) |
| 09:59.23 | _berto_ | hi |
| 09:59.24 | _berto_ | :) |
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| 09:59.58 | _berto_ | solmumaha: in case you didn't notice I released a new package for the 770 |
| 10:00.39 | pupnik | wo wat were |
| 10:01.05 | pupnik | package of what _berto_ ? |
| 10:01.14 | _berto_ | vagalume, a last.fm client |
| 10:01.28 | czr | hmm. can anyone throw me an url to where debs are downloaded from by apt-get in chinook? |
| 10:01.32 | pupnik | nice |
| 10:02.09 | pupnik | see /etc/apt/sources.list czr |
| 10:02.24 | czr | pupnik, no. that points to the repo, which doesn't contain the debs. |
| 10:03.11 | _berto_ | debs are downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:03.11 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, _berto_. |
| 10:03.18 | pupnik | ? what does a repository contain then? |
| 10:03.19 | czr | _berto_, from. not to. |
| 10:03.26 | _berto_ | oh, sorry X-) |
| 10:03.31 | _berto_ | those are included in the Packages list |
| 10:03.34 | czr | pupnik, open http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook and see |
| 10:03.52 | _berto_ | each entry in Packages file contains the url of the package |
| 10:04.14 | _berto_ | _Monkey: sorry ? |
| 10:04.14 | _Monkey | no idea, _berto_ |
| 10:04.18 | pupnik | yeah what he said |
| 10:04.22 | czr | ah. yes. the packages files are inside the compressed rootstrap |
| 10:04.26 | czr | that's why I didn't see them |
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| 10:05.19 | czr | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/ was the thing I was looking for |
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| 10:07.02 | czr | anyone know of a working process to do sdk installation in an offline scenario? if you do, drop me a privmsg |
| 10:07.13 | czr | and please don't ask "why don't you use the autoinstall script". |
| 10:07.41 | pupnik | sorry i wasn't more helpful |
| 10:07.48 | X-Fade | czr: Why don't you use the vmware image ;) |
| 10:07.56 | czr | X-Fade, not possible |
| 10:08.08 | czr | but yes, sneaky, sneaky.. I noticed what you tried to do! :-) |
| 10:08.25 | czr | or trouts. |
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| 10:08.31 | X-Fade | Hehe ;) |
| 10:08.42 | _berto_ | alternatively you could use a qemu image ;-P |
| 10:09.01 | X-Fade | czr: Can't help you there. I use the vmware image, which works quite well for me.. |
| 10:09.05 | czr | btw, makes me wonder. the announced vmware image. how on earth can they distribute the nokia binaries in it? |
| 10:09.19 | X-Fade | czr: They don't. |
| 10:09.29 | czr | X-Fade, the announcement said they do |
| 10:09.32 | X-Fade | There is an icon on the desktop to the autoinstaller.. |
| 10:09.37 | czr | bleh :-) |
| 10:10.12 | X-Fade | czr: Installing is pretty fast that way.. |
| 10:10.16 | X-Fade | Did it in a few minutes.. |
| 10:10.20 | czr | X-Fade, but won't work if you're offline |
| 10:10.27 | czr | _offline_. magic keyword. |
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| 10:10.43 | czr | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/t/ttf-bitstream-vera/ |
| 10:10.45 | X-Fade | czr: Just download the repository? And change the sources.list? |
| 10:10.49 | czr | anyone notice anything funny about that? |
| 10:11.06 | czr | X-Fade, I doubt it will be all that painless. but yes, that's what I'm trying to do now. |
| 10:11.35 | X-Fade | czr: The autoinstaller just grabs the i386 and armel debs and installs them? |
| 10:11.49 | czr | no. it will download the rootstrap which is a tar.gz |
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| 10:11.56 | czr | extract that, then run apt-get install |
| 10:12.03 | X-Fade | Ah yeah, and then it runs it.. |
| 10:12.05 | czr | within sbox |
| 10:12.27 | czr | and the rootstrap contains only useless cruft, most of the SDK comes via apt-get |
| 10:13.57 | czr | no one noticed anything funny in the _binary_ part of the pool where that directory points to? |
| 10:13.59 | czr | no? aww. |
| 10:14.37 | czr | I'll file a bug soon. nm |
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| 10:18.01 | czr | hmm. anyone know where apt-get upgrade will download its Package file? |
| 10:18.09 | czr | +from |
| 10:18.21 | czr | Packages even |
| 10:19.39 | i_mihai | does anyone here has any know-how about bt-sco with maemo chinook? |
| 10:25.38 | _berto_ | czr: from ? |
| 10:27.02 | _berto_ | from the repo, dists/distribution/component/binary-arch/Packages |
| 10:27.42 | czr | thanks _berto_ |
| 10:28.07 | _berto_ | i.e, dists/bora/whatever/binary-armel/Packages |
| 10:28.10 | _berto_ | or Packages.bz2 |
| 10:28.12 | _berto_ | or Packages.gz |
| 10:28.18 | czr | yup, found them |
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| 10:36.43 | i_mihai | test |
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| 10:51.11 | czr | hmm. anyone know how critical the minimal rootstrap really is? |
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| 10:51.35 | czr | i.e, if I manually create a new target in sbox first, then setup sources.list to point to chinook, and then install maemo-sdk-whatnot virtual package. |
| 10:51.47 | czr | will it horribly break and dragons fly out of my nose? |
| 10:52.23 | timeless | i think it's vaguely optional |
| 10:52.29 | timeless | since you're in sbox |
| 10:52.41 | timeless | if you didn't have sbox (w/ debian dev kit) |
| 10:52.46 | timeless | you'd probably be in more trouble |
| 10:52.50 | czr | what do you mean by optional? |
| 10:52.56 | timeless | but i personally use a full rootstrap |
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| 10:53.19 | czr | but full rootstrap doesn't contain the whole sdk anyway |
| 10:53.21 | czr | so it's not an option |
| 10:53.39 | pupnik | so install what you want and make your own sdk rootstrap |
| 10:53.48 | timeless | timeless/chinook shows what you'd get w/o the rootstrap |
| 10:53.49 | czr | ever noticed how after installing the full rootstrap, apt-get will still download a whole load of stuff? |
| 10:54.01 | timeless | i don't do it very often |
| 10:54.14 | timeless | i find it easier to borrow other people's computers when i actually need a build env |
| 10:54.15 | czr | pupnik, sounds "easy". how difficult would that be? |
| 10:54.49 | pupnik | i think you are a person looking for problems, not solutions |
| 10:54.51 | timeless | czr: well, the script to grab sources for chinook is fairly trivial |
| 10:55.07 | timeless | and one that did installs would be a lot easier :) |
| 10:55.40 | czr | pupnik, tell it to whomever designed the install process not to support offline scenarios. |
| 10:55.47 | czr | pupnik, if you have a better idea, I'm all ears |
| 10:56.31 | czr | timeless, my limit for trivial scripts is 5k. the install scripts are > 20k :-) |
| 10:56.52 | timeless | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timeless webservd 4.3K Nov 7 03:06 /export/home/timeless/nexenta/bin/get_maemo.sh |
| 10:57.03 | timeless | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timeless webservd 5.1K Oct 25 13:34 /export/home/timeless/nexenta/bin/sardine_get_maemo.sh |
| 10:57.12 | czr | hmm. where are those? |
| 10:57.12 | _Monkey | those are /dev/rfcomm, maybe? |
| 10:57.15 | timeless | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timeless webservd 4.9K Nov 7 20:05 /export/home/timeless/nexenta/bin/extras_get_maemo.sh |
| 10:57.23 | pupnik | czr: you can tar-up a scratchbox install and burn to dvd |
| 10:57.33 | timeless | czr: ping |
| 10:57.37 | timeless | oops |
| 10:58.09 | czr | pupnik, hmm. maybe I'm missing my point. the objective is _not_ delivering a working SDK in an offline environment. the object is delivering a working environment where the SDK can be _installed_ while in offline. |
| 10:58.22 | timeless | czr: please pong |
| 10:58.28 | czr | timeless, pong. sry |
| 10:58.38 | czr | I have a separate queue for echo-messages :-) |
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| 10:59.41 | pupnik | ah i see. then you'd need to make a local repository for all the SB stuff |
| 10:59.48 | pupnik | and the chinook stuff |
| 11:00.00 | czr | yes |
| 11:00.18 | czr | I probably didn't explain the scenario too well at the beginning, sry for that. |
| 11:00.37 | czr | the sb-stuff isn't too hard at all |
| 11:00.47 | czr | it's just a bunck of deb files which can be installed manually with dpkg |
| 11:00.50 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/solaris/osol/get_nexenta.sh |
| 11:00.53 | czr | and then sb-conf the targets and such |
| 11:01.12 | timeless | might also be worth reading |
| 11:01.16 | timeless | so that's 4 scripts :) |
| 11:01.27 | timeless | i can't remember how related they are |
| 11:01.39 | timeless | the nexenta one is a debian bootstrapper for a live system |
| 11:01.43 | timeless | the others all get sources only |
| 11:01.47 | czr | ah, not related to maemo then? |
| 11:01.53 | timeless | although iirc they're flexible so one could probably swap them |
| 11:01.58 | timeless | right |
| 11:02.12 | timeless | i wanted to be able to install nexenta(debian-solaris) |
| 11:02.19 | timeless | so i found a script that kinda worked |
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| 11:02.36 | timeless | but there's not much difference between bootstrapping one debian and another |
| 11:02.42 | timeless | nexenta and maemo are both forks from debian |
| 11:03.27 | timeless | but, for your purposes, it's possible that the other three still have enough ability to get non sources instead of sources |
| 11:03.46 | timeless | there's actually a perl variant of one of them |
| 11:03.52 | timeless | but i think i never managed to switch to using it :( |
| 11:03.58 | timeless | (it's not shorter, just perl) |
| 11:04.29 | czr | hmm. what's the end-result? for get_maemo.sh? |
| 11:04.37 | czr | a rootstrap tarball for sbox? |
| 11:04.48 | timeless | sources for everything that go into a release |
| 11:05.02 | timeless | well, for almost everythign |
| 11:05.04 | czr | and that helps me how exactly? :-) |
| 11:05.06 | timeless | at least, by default |
| 11:05.14 | timeless | i'd start w/ the extras one |
| 11:05.24 | timeless | that's the one that i used to get the chinook xref |
| 11:05.35 | timeless | and it /should/ still have enough flags to say install instead of get sources |
| 11:06.14 | czr | " the objective is _not_ delivering a working SDK in an offline environment. the object is delivering a working environment where the SDK can be _installed_ while in offline." |
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| 11:06.46 | timeless | it might be eaier to start from the get_nexenta version, since that's the onl one that results in a booted system :| |
| 11:07.18 | czr | nevermind. it might be better that I'll just continue banging my head against my own private wall for a while :-) |
| 11:07.20 | czr | thanks anyway |
| 11:07.28 | timeless | well, conceptually |
| 11:07.41 | timeless | get_nexenta downloads the pieces it considers to be minimal |
| 11:07.54 | timeless | and splitting it into a "get" and an "install" pass |
| 11:07.56 | timeless | would be easy |
| 11:08.26 | czr | hmm. how do I stop wget from going into parent directories of the original target URL? |
| 11:08.44 | timeless | you mean foo/bar.zip => bar.zip ? |
| 11:09.00 | czr | no. |
| 11:09.07 | czr | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/ |
| 11:09.20 | czr | I want to retrieve that. but wget with -r will also retrieve stuff behind "Parent directory" |
| 11:09.58 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.11 | timeless | blah |
| 11:10.20 | czr | pupnik, thanks |
| 11:10.28 | X-Fade | czr: -l, --level=NUMBER maximum recursion depth (inf or 0 for infinite). |
| 11:10.38 | czr | X-Fade, that doesn't help really. |
| 11:10.51 | pupnik | i think default recursion level is 5 |
| 11:10.58 | timeless | yes |
| 11:11.01 | czr | ah. yeah. |
| 11:11.19 | timeless | man wget isn't so bad actually |
| 11:11.24 | timeless | although you're stuck reading it |
| 11:11.38 | czr | yup. somehow skipped the -np option while reading it |
| 11:11.41 | pupnik | i like man pages with exmamples :) |
| 11:12.09 | pupnik | hmm "exmanples" |
| 11:12.15 | timeless | yuck |
| 11:12.16 | czr | heh |
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| 11:14.43 | czr | ooh. "Stale NFS file handle" |
| 11:14.48 | czr | been a while since I saw those :-) |
| 11:14.50 | timeless | nice |
| 11:17.22 | Andy80 | don't remember the link... where can I find the howto that explain how to install multiple SDK under the same Scratchbox? |
| 11:19.02 | czr | Andy80, check maemo-dev ml archives. inz at least posted some stuff on it within the last week |
| 11:19.33 | timeless | czr: anyway, at some point i'll probably write a variant of my script which actually does make rootstraps |
| 11:19.45 | timeless | because sometimes i need to index them :( |
| 11:19.46 | czr | timeless, tonight? :-) |
| 11:19.50 | timeless | no :) |
| 11:19.53 | czr | damn.. :-) |
| 11:19.55 | timeless | february :) |
| 11:20.03 | czr | fabrrruarrry |
| 11:20.26 | czr | I really wish that the offline scenario would be supported directly |
| 11:20.34 | czr | but I guess that's not going to ever happen |
| 11:20.36 | timeless | file a bug? |
| 11:20.38 | timeless | i don't get it |
| 11:20.50 | timeless | the official process is that you use apt-get update or something similarly stupid? |
| 11:21.03 | czr | the official process is that you use the automatic install scripts |
| 11:21.05 | timeless | i think the process i recommend is "grab the vmware image" |
| 11:21.09 | timeless | oh yuck |
| 11:21.13 | timeless | gah |
| 11:21.35 | czr | the maemo SDK script will download a rootstrap (tarball), extract it into sbox, then run apt-get update in both targets |
| 11:21.45 | czr | and that apt-get basically will get most of the SDK stuff installed |
| 11:21.52 | timeless | the official scripts are for silly people who have already made their own scratchbox |
| 11:21.58 | czr | it's pretty ok, iff you're connected while you're doing it |
| 11:22.13 | czr | there's another script that will download and install sbox for you too |
| 11:22.19 | czr | so, two autoscripts |
| 11:22.19 | timeless | is the rootstrap not redistributable? |
| 11:22.26 | czr | it doesn't contain the SDK |
| 11:22.30 | czr | it only contains a small part of it |
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| 11:22.39 | timeless | right |
| 11:22.48 | timeless | but does a license prevent someone from hosting a more useful tarball? |
| 11:22.53 | czr | and.. well.. then there's the issue of the nokia binary license and stuff |
| 11:23.07 | timeless | rub, therein, lies. |
| 11:23.16 | timeless | the |
| 11:23.20 | czr | that's a separate issue. the binaries are separate from the rootstrap |
| 11:23.30 | czr | the autoscript downloads them separately |
| 11:23.53 | czr | and I don't think anything per se would stop someone making this offline scenario work |
| 11:24.01 | czr | I just don't get it why I'm supposed to be the someone. |
| 11:24.09 | timeless | heh |
| 11:24.21 | tsavola | czr: ota naassii |
| 11:24.23 | timeless | if you want to point to a place on timeless.justdave.net/ we could make arrangements |
| 11:24.31 | czr | naassii? :-) |
| 11:24.32 | timeless | then you could get someone else to do it later :) |
| 11:24.34 | tsavola | czr: karkkii |
| 11:24.37 | tsavola | czr: päkyi |
| 11:24.50 | czr | tsavola, karkki computes. pakyi sounds like something weird :-) |
| 11:25.12 | czr | tsavola, naassii based on "napoo"? |
| 11:25.17 | timeless | what kind of <title>/</title> is that? |
| 11:25.23 | tsavola | czr: en tiedä sanan etymologiaa |
| 11:25.29 | timeless | oh gah |
| 11:25.33 | czr | timeless, compact one. it's slashdot taken to the next level. |
| 11:25.37 | timeless | there are *two* trunk directories |
| 11:25.51 | timeless | otoh... |
| 11:26.03 | sp3000 | maybe it got struck by lightning |
| 11:26.49 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/mozilla/branches/MOZ_HEAD_BRANCH/ |
| 11:26.50 | czr | there's a coffee machine in oulu with very funny user instructions.. I think it went something like this: 2) Wait for lightning. 3) Take hot cup". don't remember the first bit |
| 11:26.57 | timeless | it's a HEAD BRANCH! |
| 11:26.59 | czr | in finnish it made slightly more sense |
| 11:27.09 | timeless | heh |
| 11:27.15 | timeless | /slightly/ |
| 11:27.22 | czr | on tekniikantie, if you ever visit that place |
| 11:27.26 | czr | I'm sure it's still somewhere there. |
| 11:27.38 | timeless | sp3000: did you leaf through the photos? |
| 11:27.39 | czr | in even probably. |
| 11:27.53 | sp3000 | timeless: I did |
| 11:28.19 | jumpula | päkyi \o/ |
| 11:28.23 | sp3000 | head branch sounds painful |
| 11:28.37 | czr | sp3000, slightly more so than head trunk |
| 11:29.49 | pupnik | I think i'm going to 'release my package' tomorrow |
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| 11:32.01 | czr | I think I'm going to "not to work" tomorrow |
| 11:32.18 | czr | in the evening at least. would be nice to have a proper weekend at least |
| 11:32.23 | czr | at last too |
| 11:32.37 | tsavola | czr: you're going "across the street" and "down to pub" |
| 11:32.56 | czr | tsavola, yes. to "enjoy myself". |
| 11:33.55 | czr | I have an evil solution to the offline scenario |
| 11:34.10 | czr | buhahaha. |
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| 11:35.30 | czr | hmm. I wonder why -np didn't work |
| 11:36.09 | czr | -np with http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook still tries to download http://repository.maemo.org/dists/herring |
| 11:36.12 | czr | (and fails btw) |
| 11:38.03 | czr | ah. it was a redirect because of a symlink |
| 11:38.46 | czr | hmm. no it wasn't. /me goes mad |
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| 11:44.43 | timeless | gah |
| 11:44.49 | timeless | it's so slow |
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| 11:46.27 | czr | to teach you some. |
| 11:46.52 | timeless | but at least then you knew what size files made snese |
| 11:46.55 | timeless | gah |
| 11:47.04 | czr | yeah, they did |
| 11:47.14 | timeless | zmodem told you the file size and the time |
| 11:47.17 | timeless | svn doesn't bother |
| 11:47.26 | timeless | you have no idea how many gig's of garbage you'll get |
| 11:47.37 | Jaffa | bergie_: ping |
| 11:47.51 | czr | timeless, ls? |
| 11:48.02 | timeless | in svn? |
| 11:48.07 | czr | timeless, but yeah, a some kind of prediction would be nice |
| 11:48.08 | timeless | i don't have the directories yet |
| 11:48.10 | czr | yes, in svn. |
| 11:48.13 | czr | you don't have to |
| 11:48.19 | timeless | svn ls ? |
| 11:48.22 | czr | yes |
| 11:48.41 | czr | although I guess svn du would be nicer, if it'd exist. |
| 11:49.00 | timeless | does it require a lock? |
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| 11:49.29 | timeless | yes, i want svn du |
| 11:49.33 | timeless | svn ls is not remotely useful |
| 11:49.35 | timeless | wget works |
| 11:49.38 | timeless | or telnet |
| 11:49.46 | timeless | so does microb |
| 11:52.18 | czr | yes. although you need -v to get the sizes |
| 11:52.30 | czr | du wouldn't be very hard to implement either |
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| 11:54.22 | czr | what gets me most about svn is it's double-storage on local side |
| 11:54.48 | czr | it's really annoying with larger files which you know that you'll never modify anyway except maybe with overwrites (binary files and such) |
| 11:55.56 | mgedmin | wheee! nokia wireless keyboard rules! |
| 11:55.58 | mgedmin | err |
| 11:56.04 | mgedmin | apple wireless keyboard rules |
| 11:56.31 | czr | nopple |
| 11:59.37 | czr | hmm. question: why are debian source packages available in both the binary distribution directory _and_ under the /pool/rel/source/ tree? |
| 12:00.01 | czr | infact. the source tree also contains the binaries |
| 12:00.03 | czr | wtf. |
| 12:00.20 | lardman | kulve: is there a home page for the mobile myth tv stuff? |
| 12:00.36 | kulve | lardman: uhm, how should I know? :) |
| 12:01.04 | kulve | I tried it once, but didn't get working. I'm going to get those myth things working once I get the n810 though.. |
| 12:01.11 | lardman | sorry, I saw the first address on the page and didn't read any further https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1896 |
| 12:01.22 | kulve | :) |
| 12:01.29 | pupnik | the nokia bluetooth keyboard looks very nice as far as I can tell - wish i could afford to buy one just to compare to the Thinkoutside Stowaway |
| 12:01.44 | kulve | lardman: http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/11/ogg-support-on-mobile-mythtv.html |
| 12:01.51 | kulve | about same thing |
| 12:02.34 | lardman | kulve: thanks, I was just going to say he ought to have some more blurb & screenshots |
| 12:03.19 | czr | hmm. I think that source is a symlink to the same directory. damn it.. |
| 12:03.22 | kulve | lardman: http://gmyth.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page doesn't answer to me, but there's probably seomthing more |
| 12:03.30 | kulve | and I saw a wiki somewhere |
| 12:03.42 | kulve | oh, it's that url |
| 12:03.45 | lardman | I'm not that bothered, was just going to point it out |
| 12:04.03 | lardman | as the news post has neutral karma |
| 12:04.54 | czr | wget -r -l inf with this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/source/source/source/ ... etc. |
| 12:05.08 | lardman | yeah I saw that the other day |
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| 12:22.08 | czr | is repository.maemo.org available over ftp btw? |
| 12:22.25 | czr | bleh. no |
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| 12:32.24 | czr | can't stop wget from ending up into an infinite loop |
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| 12:38.35 | pupnik | there's no place like /home |
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| 12:45.53 | Andy80 | I'm trying to install Maemo SDK 3.1/3.2 inside Scratchbox already configured for Maemo SDK 4.0 and I've this problem: currently SDK 4.0 is using this toolchain: cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 but SDK 3.1 requires cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386, how can I fix this? |
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| 12:49.16 | [pablo] | trying to install a few apps into os2008 from maemo and they are complaining about missing hildon libraries. Anyone know why these are not in the repository? |
| 12:51.07 | timeless | which? |
| 12:51.15 | pupnik | file a report on the app please |
| 12:51.50 | [pablo] | namely sgt-puzzles |
| 12:52.05 | [pablo] | i have ran into a few different ones with different libs though |
| 12:52.27 | suihkulokki | without bothering to check I'm fairly certain you are trying to install Os2007 apps on OS2008 |
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| 12:53.01 | [pablo] | suihkulokki: no idea, they are listed in the application manager |
| 12:53.18 | [pablo] | i've had my n810 for all of 8 hours now heh, and it's my first tablet |
| 12:53.54 | pygi | ergh, [pablo], you're in US probably? |
| 12:54.00 | [pablo] | yes |
| 12:54.27 | pygi | ah :-/ |
| 12:54.50 | mgedmin | Andy80: my understanding is that you create separate targets for each SDK version, and use different toolchains for each target, no? |
| 12:54.56 | [pablo] | mine wasn't supposed to come until the end of the month, but it showed up early for smoe reason |
| 12:55.16 | pygi | [pablo]: well, in europe, we still cant get one :D |
| 12:55.26 | mgedmin | Andy80: have you seen http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ ? |
| 12:55.29 | X-Fade | [pablo]: You are making a lot of people jealous ;) |
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| 12:55.34 | Andy80 | mgedmin: yes... I read it on the maemo-developers ML, that I can install another SDK inside the current Scratchbox installation. |
| 12:55.53 | Andy80 | mgedmin: I give a look.. |
| 12:56.48 | [pablo] | heh |
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| 12:57.42 | Dar | pygi: anyone seen any estimate of when those of us in europe might be able to get our hands on one? |
| 12:57.55 | Andy80 | mgedmin: I'm reading... but he simply force SDK 3.1/3.2 to use cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 instead of cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 :) |
| 12:57.58 | pygi | Dar, I heard December 18 ? :-/ |
| 12:58.06 | Andy80 | mgedmin: I can modify the installer script too.. |
| 12:58.30 | Dar | seriously... ? |
| 12:58.50 | pygi | Dar, aha |
| 12:59.00 | Dar | That's effectively 2008 given xmas period. |
| 12:59.18 | pygi | well, I wont be getting it this year if that's true :-/ |
| 12:59.29 | pygi | I'm in Croatia, and my code is for austria webshop, so :D |
| 13:00.19 | Dar | here's hoping that it's sooner then ! |
| 13:00.25 | lardman | +1 |
| 13:01.14 | [pablo] | i hope more people get them, i feel so lonely heh |
| 13:01.14 | pygi | :) |
| 13:01.31 | pygi | shh, when we get them, some serious hacking will start :) |
| 13:02.52 | [pablo] | awesome =) |
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| 13:03.57 | [pablo] | so most of the applications in the repositories right now won't work on os2008 right? |
| 13:04.13 | pupnik | yeah |
| 13:04.23 | pupnik | scummvm works. should tide you over for a few hours :) |
| 13:04.31 | [pablo] | heh |
| 13:05.09 | pupnik | also the sdl gamey type stuff tends to work on any tablet OS |
| 13:05.13 | X-Fade | All OS2008 applications in the catalog should work. Tested most of them. |
| 13:05.31 | [pablo] | i got pidgin installed, and maemopad(old voodoopad user so I like this), and gizmo |
| 13:05.34 | timeless | x-fade: which catalog? |
| 13:05.44 | timeless | we tried installing ukmp and the other one, and neither worked |
| 13:06.01 | [pablo] | yeah i tried ukmp and it didn't work as well |
| 13:06.05 | pygi | [pablo]: why use pidgin, if you can use FamaIM? :) |
| 13:06.08 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 |
| 13:06.28 | [pablo] | pygi: what is famaim? |
| 13:06.45 | pygi | [pablo]: http://fama-im.org |
| 13:07.00 | timeless | x-fade: yeah, i think we tried ukmp and kagu and both refused to install |
| 13:07.24 | X-Fade | timeless: I guess you forgot to install python first? :) |
| 13:07.30 | X-Fade | I run kagu at least. |
| 13:07.33 | timeless | ?! |
| 13:07.48 | suihkulokki | "forgot to install python first" |
| 13:07.48 | timeless | what part of "click to install!" means "but please click somewhere else first?" |
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| 13:08.02 | X-Fade | timeless: File a bug agains the applications? |
| 13:08.18 | timeless | i told someone else to, i can go haunt him now |
| 13:08.18 | [pablo] | pygi: half the protocols don't work according to this :-P |
| 13:08.19 | X-Fade | They should just depend on python.. |
| 13:08.27 | pygi | [pablo]: they do ;) |
| 13:08.41 | pygi | I just didnt update the page for some time xD |
| 13:08.54 | [pablo] | lol |
| 13:08.58 | pygi | plus the newest release (0.0.4 which should be out soon) rocks even more :) |
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| 13:10.08 | timeless | is maemo.org responding for other people/ |
| 13:10.14 | timeless | "Waiting for maemo.org..." |
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| 13:10.31 | [pablo] | also waiting ... |
| 13:10.34 | X-Fade | timeless: Does the same for me.. |
| 13:10.42 | czr | timeless, see how much fun I'm having: 2350, 2351 & 2352 |
| 13:11.27 | timeless | Bugzilla has suffered an internal error. Please save this page and send it to bugzilla@maemo.org with details of what you were doing at the time this message appeared. |
| 13:11.28 | timeless | Can't use %5BBug%20creation%5D as a field name. |
| 13:11.33 | timeless | awww gee, that worked really well |
| 13:11.51 | czr | cool. |
| 13:11.54 | timeless | checking |
| 13:12.15 | timeless | strange, seems to work fine w/ bmo |
| 13:12.22 | timeless | (bugzilla.mozilla, not bugs.maemo) |
| 13:12.29 | czr | ah. suspected as much |
| 13:12.48 | czr | at being ironic! |
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| 13:17.46 | czr | does anyone know who maintains repositories.maemo.org? (the webserver) |
| 13:17.54 | czr | whether they're on irc and such |
| 13:18.34 | timeless | czr: bug 2353 :) |
| 13:18.34 | _Monkey | Bug 2353 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2353 |
| 13:18.37 | X-Fade | czr: Talk to ferenc.. |
| 13:18.45 | timeless | czr: you want ftp? |
| 13:19.05 | [pablo] | tried installing python and that crapped out on me too =/ libbz2 and libgdbm3 |
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| 13:19.09 | timeless | The requested URL could not be retrieved |
| 13:19.09 | timeless | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ |
| 13:19.13 | czr | timeless, it at least would've allowed me to test whether wget gets around the symlink using FTP |
| 13:19.16 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.16 | timeless | The system returned: |
| 13:19.16 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.17 | timeless | The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. |
| 13:19.35 | czr | X-Fade, ferenc doesn't irc, does he? |
| 13:19.38 | X-Fade | timeless: We are working on it with all parties.. |
| 13:20.14 | czr | timeless, nice (2353) |
| 13:20.36 | czr | damn you btw, you stole 2353 from me! I've yet to have a free run of four consecutive bug ids |
| 13:21.16 | luck^ | [pablo], they are in http://repository.maemo.org |
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| 13:22.02 | czr | timeless, I was testing various approaches doing the mirroring and was just puzzled why my nice proxy wasn't proxying anything. first wasted some time verifying that the proxy works and so. blah I say (bug 2350) |
| 13:22.02 | _Monkey | Bug 2350 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2350 |
| 13:22.09 | sp3000 | timeless: I like the feed title when you fix the url |
| 13:22.10 | luck^ | you have to add a new line to your repositories list |
| 13:22.20 | sp3000 | <title>Bug%20List</title> |
| 13:22.21 | timeless | sp3000: which was it |
| 13:22.32 | timeless | sp3000: oh yes |
| 13:22.35 | timeless | is there a bug about that? |
| 13:22.39 | timeless | if i filed it, it's old :) |
| 13:24.12 | pupnik | i'm excited for new/better abiword |
| 13:24.22 | [pablo] | luck^: thank you, i wonder why the main repo wasn't in my catalog list. Fixed now =) |
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| 13:24.35 | luck^ | :) |
| 13:24.45 | [pablo] | attempting ukmp now |
| 13:25.42 | mgedmin | aargh, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1038 is killing me |
| 13:26.29 | pygi | ah, wrong direction of arrow is killing you? |
| 13:26.34 | pygi | I just hope that's the worst bug you found ... |
| 13:26.38 | pygi | if it is, then no worries :P |
| 13:26.45 | sp3000 | timeless: ah, cool, the link in the html is fine, a redirect is being funny |
| 13:26.48 | mgedmin | it's not a wrong direction |
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| 13:26.50 | [pablo] | hey that worked too |
| 13:26.53 | [pablo] | go figure =) |
| 13:26.56 | mgedmin | it's that two of my statusbar icons are completely inaccessible |
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| 13:26.59 | timeless | redirect? |
| 13:27.04 | sp3000 | oops |
| 13:27.06 | sp3000 | see e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org/bugzilla/hi%5Dmom |
| 13:27.15 | sp3000 | er |
| 13:27.27 | sp3000 | https://bugs.maemo.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?hi%5Dmom rather |
| 13:27.30 | pygi | mgedmin: ah, the bluetooth one :P |
| 13:27.35 | mgedmin | yes |
| 13:27.47 | pygi | sorry, didnt look at it |
| 13:27.50 | pygi | I just woke up, so :p |
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| 13:29.23 | timeless | mgedmin: been there, poked that :) |
| 13:29.45 | czr | timeless, why did you ask (about ftp)? |
| 13:29.50 | mgedmin | now I have to set up an alarm in order to poke the bluetooth arrow |
| 13:29.54 | mgedmin | s/arrow/icon/ |
| 13:32.37 | pygi | this bot reads minds :) |
| 13:32.44 | timeless | how does one find a file when it could be on any of a dozen computers |
| 13:32.52 | timeless | and some computers have >300gb of "data" :( |
| 13:33.32 | czr | grambits? |
| 13:33.50 | Jaffa | Anyone looking at porting Micropolis (i.e. SimCity) to Maemo? http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal/ |
| 13:33.51 | czr | timeless, one builds indices |
| 13:33.54 | czr | and searches in the indices |
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| 13:34.28 | timeless | sp3000: this is cool, i can easily tell which bugs czr has filed that i have(n't) read |
| 13:34.37 | timeless | if they have the maemo logo, i've read them |
| 13:34.39 | timeless | if not, i haven't |
| 13:34.40 | sp3000 | heh |
| 13:35.11 | timeless | czr: btw tell jarmo not to misspell meemo :) |
| 13:35.23 | czr | he's beyond my skills |
| 13:35.38 | czr | (note, I didn't say "any hope", just my skills..) |
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| 13:36.30 | czr | timeless, can't you file a bug report on him? :-) |
| 13:36.43 | timeless | i had started to write an email |
| 13:36.46 | timeless | but i gave up |
| 13:37.00 | pygi | Jaffa: source link? |
| 13:37.06 | czr | where you file bugs against people that you are working with/have worked with |
| 13:37.17 | czr | bugin.com |
| 13:40.22 | timeless | i like the . => source thing :) |
| 13:40.24 | timeless | that's nice |
| 13:40.36 | timeless | anyway, i think you're much better off using some variant of one of my scripts |
| 13:40.44 | timeless | one shoudl definitely be able to get all the debs for you :) |
| 13:40.58 | timeless | probably apt-get install --download-only |
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| 13:41.26 | timeless | 2352 should be sev:enh |
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| 13:41.30 | czr | it's too late now :-) |
| 13:41.45 | timeless | you got what you needed? |
| 13:41.48 | czr | already downloading. everything. with caching disabled. with broken symlinks. without ftp. |
| 13:41.55 | tsavola | what . => source why |
| 13:41.57 | czr | I only have 2 Mbps line. so still waiting |
| 13:42.06 | timeless | czr: how'd you deal w/ source? |
| 13:42.08 | czr | source -> . I think. |
| 13:42.12 | tsavola | good |
| 13:42.31 | tsavola | Thu 15:40 timeless> i like the . => source thing :) |
| 13:42.33 | czr | timeless, I don't. |
| 13:42.41 | timeless | you don't? |
| 13:42.45 | tsavola | i do |
| 13:42.48 | czr | yeah. |
| 13:42.49 | timeless | so you're going to recursively get it? |
| 13:42.56 | czr | no. I gave up on wget. |
| 13:42.56 | timeless | *confused* |
| 13:43.00 | timeless | oh |
| 13:43.00 | tsavola | i'm not |
| 13:43.06 | timeless | you're back to apt? |
| 13:43.08 | tsavola | no |
| 13:43.14 | czr | timeless, no |
| 13:43.17 | czr | using apt-mirror |
| 13:43.21 | czr | modified version |
| 13:43.21 | timeless | oh |
| 13:43.23 | timeless | cute |
| 13:43.28 | czr | and will see how damaged it will come out |
| 13:43.32 | timeless | heh |
| 13:43.54 | czr | I've spent 4 hours so far just _trying_ to replicate the repo |
| 13:43.59 | timeless | sp3000: thanks for the analysis |
| 13:44.08 | sp3000 | np |
| 13:44.09 | timeless | (much easier to read in gmail than on irc) |
| 13:44.19 | czr | I'm really afraid of thinking how many more hours I'll spend tonight trying to get the offline thing working. |
| 13:44.46 | timeless | strange |
| 13:44.51 | timeless | where did /bugzilla/ come from? |
| 13:44.55 | czr | hmm. are alkos still open? like, not all completely on strike? |
| 13:45.10 | timeless | wasn't there *one* open? :) |
| 13:45.22 | czr | which one? :-) which one?!? |
| 13:45.35 | timeless | did i mention i don't drink? |
| 13:45.40 | czr | you did |
| 13:46.00 | czr | I don't use windows, but that doesn't stop me from knowing about it :-) |
| 13:46.23 | czr | ah. no strikes currently. then I can continue work too. |
| 13:47.19 | timeless | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Forty+Alko+outlets+remain+open+despite+staff+strike/1135231875135 |
| 13:47.23 | timeless | is all i can find |
| 13:47.40 | pupnik | refresh |
| 13:47.43 | czr | heh :-). alko.fi says that they're all open. they're going to resume the strike later |
| 13:47.59 | timeless | after christmas? |
| 13:48.14 | czr | I think before actually |
| 13:48.20 | czr | "to hit them where it hurts the most" |
| 13:48.25 | timeless | good call |
| 13:48.29 | timeless | non dumb unions |
| 13:48.37 | czr | they're getting pretty feisty nowadays |
| 13:48.37 | timeless | at least you guys grow one smart group |
| 13:50.04 | dpb_ | czr: the last strike ended saturday afaik |
| 13:50.38 | czr | great. I visit alko maybe once a year or twice |
| 13:50.49 | Jaffa | pygi: err, google? :) |
| 13:51.06 | pygi | Jaffa: heh, cant right now, sorry |
| 13:51.15 | dpb_ | but apparently they might go on strike next month again.. I dunno.. |
| 13:52.20 | czr | I think I'll go and get some food and a bottle of port or something. the download seems to take ages anyway |
| 13:52.22 | czr | laters -> |
| 13:53.39 | czr | Jaffa, micropolis looks interesting. too bad it's in tcl/tk though :-) |
| 13:53.55 | dpb_ | Visiting alko might be an idea.. |
| 13:55.07 | Jaffa | czr/pygi: can't seem to find a source tarball yet |
| 13:55.29 | czr | Jaffa, ask on #olpc? |
| 13:55.34 | Jaffa | czr: yeah, but I don't think typing's necessary so it could run full screen (like it does on the OLPC) |
| 13:55.39 | czr | they might know if the port is being worked on to olpc anyway |
| 13:56.21 | czr | it would be a nice small thing to have on the device in any case |
| 13:56.21 | czr | but. -> non-maemo-things. |
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| 14:02.46 | pupnik | schools should have a one-tablet-per-child program |
| 14:03.13 | pupnik | hospitals should have em too |
| 14:03.38 | pygi | pupnik: they should use it as a tricoder =) |
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| 14:11.18 | bedboi | who talks about strikes? |
| 14:11.45 | bedboi | this french "greve" (strike) is terrible |
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| 14:14.45 | timeless | finnish alcohol sales? |
| 14:18.10 | timeless | sp3000: hey, for bmo, is that extra /bugzilla/ present, or is it only in bugs-maemo? |
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| 14:20.25 | sp3000 | timeless: just maemo |
| 14:20.33 | timeless | hrm |
| 14:20.43 | timeless | iirc i *have* bugs-maemo somewhere |
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| 14:22.21 | timeless | ok, it's on my windows laptop at least |
| 14:22.23 | timeless | kinda odd |
| 14:23.35 | timeless | any idea which file i should look at? |
| 14:24.50 | timeless | C:\0\list\list.atom.tmpl |
| 14:24.56 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.56 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.56 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.02 | timeless | roots? |
| 14:25.24 | timeless | bugzilla.maemo.org/bugs.maemo.org/bugs.maemo.org-bugzilla? |
| 14:25.42 | pupnik | thanks for the good browser |
| 14:25.43 | timeless | maemo.org/bugzilla |
| 14:26.01 | timeless | pupnik: =) |
| 14:26.02 | sp3000 | (bugs|bugzilla|)maemo.org/bugzilla/|(bugs|bugzilla).maemo.org/ |
| 14:26.30 | timeless | indeed, five, nice |
| 14:26.42 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/bugzilla/bugzilla/ doesn't work :o |
| 14:26.48 | sp3000 | heh |
| 14:26.54 | timeless | don't forget http(s) :) |
| 14:27.07 | sp3000 | timeless: you need https://bugs.maemo.org/bugzilla/bugzilla/buglist.cgi |
| 14:27.22 | sp3000 | (e.g.) |
| 14:27.26 | timeless | ooh, that works |
| 14:30.14 | timeless | should i be mean and thumb down anyone linking to bugzilla.maemo.org? :) |
| 14:30.46 | truls | should svn-buildpackage work in scratchbox? |
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| 14:31.41 | sp3000 | timeless: nah, fx3 takes care of that ;) |
| 14:32.03 | sp3000 | someone should probably fix the flags in the redirect config |
| 14:32.22 | sp3000 | assuming I remember something I've never really done anything with at all correctly ;) |
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| 14:33.28 | sp3000 | ok, except fx3 doesn't fix http-no-s |
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| 14:35.50 | truls | seems the libraries are missing to be able to run svn-buildpackage somehow... |
| 14:35.52 | truls | odd |
| 14:37.07 | truls | oops... removing the svn-buildpackage with apt from within scratchbox doesn't let it be reinstalled.. |
| 14:38.34 | timeless | ok, i've asked the rtcomm team to fix their links/text to say bugs.maemo.org :) |
| 14:39.13 | timeless | ouch, someone is attacking one of the mozilla.org http servers :) |
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| 15:20.09 | timeless | hrm |
| 15:20.20 | timeless | is apt-get dist-upgrade a bad idea in scratchbox? |
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| 15:24.24 | lophyte | has anyone been successful in getting USB host mode working on the N800? |
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| 15:49.54 | zoran | regarding yesterday's im console client topic, I found links to two apps made for that purpose: centricq and climm |
| 15:52.30 | pygi | zoran: shhh, well, FamaIM is the best :) |
| 15:53.07 | zoran | k, no hard feelings? |
| 15:53.29 | pygi | hahah |
| 15:53.33 | pygi | ofcourse not :D |
| 15:53.57 | zoran | no bsd port of it till this days |
| 15:54.16 | pygi | you can run it tho |
| 15:54.21 | pygi | (on bsd) |
| 15:54.25 | zoran | lemme find the source |
| 15:55.24 | inz | zoran, bitlbee ftw ;) |
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| 15:56.15 | zoran | yes< i saw it some time ago, but I still don't use im |
| 15:56.36 | zoran | it is a daemon to look for connections ... |
| 15:56.36 | pygi | btw. centericq has been obsoleted by centerim |
| 15:56.46 | zoran | just saw this |
| 15:57.00 | zoran | cjc in python |
| 15:57.22 | zoran | climm comes after micq |
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| 16:01.40 | vabgeo | hi all |
| 16:03.48 | vabgeo | my N800 doesnt seem to switch on after doing an initfs comand & reboot |
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| 16:04.16 | Ar-ras | hi |
| 16:04.17 | _Monkey | bonjour, Ar-ras |
| 16:04.29 | Ar-ras | is N810 released? |
| 16:04.58 | sxpert-work | not yet |
| 16:05.27 | Ar-ras | when will it released? |
| 16:06.08 | sxpert-work | thanks for asking :-) |
| 16:07.09 | vabgeo | In nokiausa.com it says out of stock |
| 16:07.49 | sxpert-work | vabgeo: they added the product, but it hasn't arrived from the factory yet |
| 16:09.26 | vabgeo | oh, i heard it was available in nokia flagship stores in chicago & newyork? |
| 16:09.42 | vabgeo | they had a news release on 19th |
| 16:12.35 | vabgeo | i am still waiting for the dev code to be activated. |
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| 16:16.09 | vabgeo | anyway i seem to have succesfully bricked my n800 :( |
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| 16:18.07 | kupesoft | I can't get pidgin running on chinook, |
| 16:19.24 | kupesoft | Some dependency is not satisfied, |
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| 16:22.29 | fysa | why did they have to make about:config the most annoying thing ever to configure jesus fucking christ |
| 16:24.47 | mgedmin | vabgeo: can you reflash? |
| 16:25.08 | vabgeo | it doesnt even power on |
| 16:25.23 | vabgeo | that i press & hold the switch |
| 16:25.25 | mgedmin | lophyte: some threads on the mailing list indicate that yes, there is at least one person who managed to get usb host working on a n800 |
| 16:25.27 | vabgeo | nothing happens |
| 16:25.33 | mgedmin | vabgeo: try recharging |
| 16:25.37 | vabgeo | no lights.. |
| 16:25.48 | mgedmin | pulling out the battery, putting it back in, plugging in the charger and waiting a couple of hours |
| 16:26.02 | vabgeo | yes, I checked battery/charger. battery shows 3.7 Volts |
| 16:26.13 | vabgeo | charger output is 6.2 Volts |
| 16:26.29 | vabgeo | i have a lab |
| 16:26.34 | vabgeo | :) |
| 16:27.46 | sp3000 | a voltage measuring doggy!!11 |
| 16:29.18 | lophyte | mgedmin, I'll have to check it out... ITT had unsuccessful stories |
| 16:29.27 | vabgeo | ok mgedmin |
| 16:30.28 | vabgeo | when i connect the charger, even the charging icon doesnt show up. I tried another charger from a shop to no effect |
| 16:31.04 | zoran | mgedmin said to remove battery for minute or so |
| 16:31.25 | mgedmin | actually I didn't say "for a minute", but it might help anyway ;) |
| 16:31.39 | vabgeo | yup i had removed it for like an hour now :D |
| 16:31.45 | bedboi | damn, is there anyone who has troubles with resolving DNS names in scratchbox? |
| 16:31.53 | zoran | I had an issue and it became to be empty battery |
| 16:32.01 | mgedmin | I've had one 770 that wouldn't show any life signs even after I plugged in the charger, but after a few hours of it being plugged in I could turn it on |
| 16:32.13 | shackan | bedboi: you have an old debian/ubuntu? |
| 16:32.15 | mgedmin | bedboi: almost everyone |
| 16:32.27 | bedboi | nope i'm using debian sid |
| 16:32.38 | bedboi | mgedmin: cool :) |
| 16:32.40 | mgedmin | and it's usually a new debian/ubuntu that causes the problems -- one that has avahi enabled by default |
| 16:32.53 | mgedmin | the trick is to check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf instead of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:32.54 | bedboi | i guess i don't have that stupid avahi |
| 16:33.01 | bedboi | ah |
| 16:33.03 | bedboi | lemme see |
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| 16:33.14 | mgedmin | and another trick is to check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf (make sure mdns is not mentioned) |
| 16:33.31 | bedboi | mgedmin: you are the man! |
| 16:33.36 | bedboi | the first one did the job |
| 16:33.48 | bedboi | kudos |
| 16:35.46 | czr | (slightly drunk) |
| 16:35.54 | czr | but that's where the best bug reports come from! |
| 16:36.51 | zoran | czr, what did you unbugged? |
| 16:37.08 | vabgeo | ok mgedmin, tnx. just for your info the last operation i did was back up my rootfs and try to dualboot. |
| 16:37.12 | czr | zoran, I'm prettu sure that wouldn't compute even if I'd be sober :-) |
| 16:37.23 | czr | actually. I wanted to act civilized, and have some port with food. |
| 16:37.36 | czr | I then decided that acted civilized is very much over-rated. |
| 16:37.40 | czr | acting even. |
| 16:38.12 | vabgeo | by using the fanoush's initfs. foolishly i ran initfs from an ssh from my pc. do you think this might cause this? |
| 16:38.50 | zoran | vabgeo, do you have power in device at start up? |
| 16:39.15 | vabgeo | u mean the charger? yea |
| 16:39.25 | zoran | screen appears? |
| 16:39.29 | vabgeo | nope |
| 16:39.36 | zoran | ah!@# |
| 16:39.37 | vabgeo | no blue light |
| 16:39.44 | zoran | any light? |
| 16:39.50 | zoran | white screen? |
| 16:39.59 | vabgeo | nothing at all, a real brick |
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| 16:40.16 | zoran | not even one foton at the very start? |
| 16:40.31 | vabgeo | not even a quark! |
| 16:40.42 | zoran | could be a battery? |
| 16:40.55 | zoran | it should not be so expensive |
| 16:40.56 | vabgeo | i had initially thought the battery was dead |
| 16:41.06 | vabgeo | i got another charger |
| 16:41.16 | vabgeo | checked the battery with a multimeter |
| 16:41.43 | X-Fade | vabgeo: Did you check it while loaded.. |
| 16:41.44 | vabgeo | battery showed i think 3.7 volts |
| 16:41.55 | vabgeo | nope i didnt hmm |
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| 16:42.37 | X-Fade | Can be that it drops a lot.. |
| 16:42.59 | vabgeo | i see. ya i guess I will buy a new battery |
| 16:43.14 | X-Fade | vabgeo: But surely it isn't out of warranty yet? |
| 16:43.18 | vabgeo | its just 3 months |
| 16:43.20 | vabgeo | old |
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| 16:43.31 | X-Fade | So claim your warranty! :) |
| 16:43.53 | lopz | hola |
| 16:44.14 | vabgeo | its just that I travelling in US for a couple of months and leave back in 2 weeks |
| 16:44.39 | vabgeo | so i guess warranty takes at least 4-6 weeks? |
| 16:44.45 | X-Fade | vabgeo: Ah, well ask in the shop if you can try the new battery? |
| 16:45.19 | zoran | sales people will love him |
| 16:45.32 | X-Fade | Or (warning warning) use another battery from another nokia and hook it up with a few wires. |
| 16:45.44 | X-Fade | zoran: Not more than reasonable? |
| 16:46.15 | vabgeo | this has the same battery as e62 i think |
| 16:46.45 | vabgeo | i have a digital variable powersupply |
| 16:46.52 | zoran | sales people will love him |
| 16:47.05 | zoran | uh, sorry, wrong key |
| 16:47.13 | czr | yeah, d minor. |
| 16:47.22 | czr | otherwise it won't sound sad enough |
| 16:47.51 | vabgeo | there are 3 pins for the battery, can i get some info on what all voltages to give? |
| 16:48.20 | czr | one of the pins is for serial communication methinks, not? smart batteries? |
| 16:48.36 | Jaffa | kulve: great comment at the end of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 :) |
| 16:49.19 | lophyte | guess I need to hack a USB cable now |
| 16:49.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Very nice when you work hard on project and people rant like that.. |
| 16:49.49 | X-Fade | Makes you feel all fuzzy inside.. |
| 16:49.54 | vabgeo | so i think i shall try gving +3.7 volts on the pin and try? |
| 16:50.00 | czr | jaffa :-) |
| 16:50.26 | zoran | vabgeo, look for white smoke |
| 16:50.35 | vabgeo | lol |
| 16:50.46 | zoran | bpl-5 ? |
| 16:50.55 | vabgeo | bp-5l |
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| 16:51.15 | kulve | Jaffa: yeah, I was a bit surprised by the ferenc's comment.. |
| 16:51.16 | zoran | you better invest into it or replace, as someone suggested |
| 16:52.18 | vabgeo | k yes, that sounds better to me too :) ebay has it as low as 10$ |
| 16:52.42 | zoran | no secondhand, I hope |
| 16:52.54 | czr | kulve, that he commented or to the contents of the comment? :-) |
| 16:53.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: the response of "yeah, but we don't know what's going on" isn't likely to engender confidence. Last weekend it was up and down all the time - you're all still working on getting it back up and running (see the profiles issue); ferenc saying more specific issues are needed when it seems to be (and ferenc's comment confirms this) process/procedural/resource issues. Not bugs in the specific Midgard implementation. |
| 16:53.14 | vabgeo | i will probably get a desktop charger too |
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| 16:53.53 | zoran | pygi, bitlbee looks like something I'd like the best |
| 16:54.27 | X-Fade | Jaffa: We worked on it, even in the weekend. This is a community project and lately it seems that people rather rant, than offer constructive comments or even offer help. |
| 16:55.25 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure, things have gone wrong. But you can't always help that.. |
| 16:55.27 | zuh | kulve: haha, you told him good ;) |
| 16:55.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: fair enough, but (once again) there's no communication. No-one knows what's going on, even at the weekend only timelyx was on IRC (IIRC) saying it probably wasn't worth paging anyone about. |
| 16:55.57 | Jaffa | - which is probably right, albeit temporarily frustrating. |
| 16:56.02 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Timeless likes to rant too ;) |
| 16:56.03 | pygi | zoran: shhhh! |
| 16:56.10 | Jaffa | X-Fade: really? hadn't noticed ;-) |
| 16:57.04 | X-Fade | But being a troll in bugzilla certainly won't help. |
| 16:57.23 | Jaffa | X-Fade: if you want more community involvement, you (a general "you") need to communicate better. Where's the email to maemo-developers apologising for the downtime, explaining what happened, explaining what you did to fix it, explaining why it's not going to happen again and asking for assistance with (a), (b) and (c). |
| 16:57.53 | konttori | I was just talking to ferenc an hour ago |
| 16:58.08 | konttori | he was saying that they have been working really hard on the issue non-stop. |
| 16:58.10 | X-Fade | When working in a small team with limited resources, you can't always spend hours sending mails. You just want to fix things asap. |
| 16:58.26 | konttori | He was on his way to home to get some food and keep on working the servers. |
| 16:58.29 | X-Fade | We work on it even on our free time in the evenings, shit happes.. |
| 16:58.32 | czr | no doubt there might have been a lot of effort to fix things. but how can anyone see it? |
| 16:58.49 | czr | anyone outside N that is. |
| 16:59.10 | X-Fade | czr: Subscribe to maemo2midgard mailinglist for one.. |
| 16:59.13 | konttori | Yeah, just saying that the guys trying to fix things are doing their best |
| 16:59.23 | czr | X-Fade, where is that? |
| 16:59.23 | Jaffa | X-Fade: agreed - but you're not going to get help if you don't ask ;-) |
| 16:59.33 | konttori | I agree that this situation should have never happened in the first place |
| 16:59.48 | vabgeo | zoran, mgedmin thanks for your help. so i can be reasonably sure that doing initfs will not bring N800 to this state and it must be a power supply issue? |
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| 17:00.24 | mgedmin | vabgeo: better ask on the mailing list, one of the nokia developers who actually knows this stuff will probably answer |
| 17:00.30 | zoran | vabgeo, whatever software prob you'd have, it must to show some light to you |
| 17:00.45 | Jaffa | cron dying, and profile corruption are the only things I'm really aware of. But those are probably symptoms - as are the weekend issues of gforce being available, *.garage.maemo.org being available tc. |
| 17:00.46 | konttori | could also be that they can't give the reasons |
| 17:01.03 | konttori | Not saying that it is like that, but just that could be that they can't |
| 17:01.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: They were all a chain reaction.. |
| 17:01.30 | konttori | midgard might be at the heart of it in the end |
| 17:01.32 | czr | X-Fade, 10 mails during all of november: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2007-November/thread.html |
| 17:01.38 | czr | X-Fade, that's the list you meant? |
| 17:02.11 | X-Fade | Jaffa: garage died, m.o synced broken records, cron was stopped to stop syncing etc etc.. |
| 17:02.12 | lardman | ah, good to see my email made it there |
| 17:02.25 | vabgeo | thanks i tried on the ittforum I will check on the mailing list and will also try new batteries.. |
| 17:02.37 | X-Fade | czr: That will get you to the right people at least. |
| 17:02.39 | czr | lardman, heh. did you btw see my mail about the spontaneous debugging issue? |
| 17:02.46 | vabgeo | it means my development of my apps are on a standstill |
| 17:03.41 | lardman | czr: no, what was that? |
| 17:03.41 | czr | X-Fade, so next time something will break, we'll tell people to sub to that ml and complain there? |
| 17:03.41 | Jaffa | X-Fade: thanks, that helps a lot. *Is* there anything we can do to help? |
| 17:03.41 | czr | lardman, let me dig for it. maemo-dev. yesterday |
| 17:03.42 | lardman | I'll look through my posts |
| 17:03.42 | czr | search for "annoying bug-reporting person" |
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| 17:04.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It seems we have the server load under control now, tomorrow we will try to restore the accounts.. |
| 17:04.47 | ferenc | helo |
| 17:05.16 | czr | evenink ferenc. just were talking about breakage of maemo.org |
| 17:05.28 | czr | or rather, lack of communication from N with that |
| 17:05.40 | ferenc | yes, i know. i came in to see what are you guys talking |
| 17:05.58 | czr | "there is none" :-) |
| 17:06.02 | ferenc | is there any constructive criticism here or only ranting, just like in bugzilla? |
| 17:06.03 | Jaffa | ferenc: Probably best to read the last 10 minutes' log |
| 17:06.13 | czr | ferenc, mostly ranting. |
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| 17:06.24 | czr | but imho it's justified ranting. |
| 17:06.25 | ferenc | i don't want to ruin my evening. nokia does not pay extra for that. |
| 17:06.40 | czr | ferenc, just think "it's just a job" real hard :-) |
| 17:06.51 | ferenc | i would suggest to stop ranting. we are not screwing up maemo.org for fun. |
| 17:07.05 | czr | no one thinks you are. |
| 17:07.15 | ferenc | i would be please if there were a dozen of apache experts volunteering here. |
| 17:07.18 | Jaffa | Don't take it personally: if this is a question of not having a test server, Nokia need to invest here. They can't push developers towards using maemo.org services but then not provide the resources to allow it to be run as a stable production system. |
| 17:07.19 | ferenc | so where are those guys? |
| 17:07.29 | czr | ferenc, where did you ask for them? |
| 17:07.39 | ferenc | ok. i stop here guys. |
| 17:08.05 | Jaffa | ferenc: one of the points has been that without any communication (because you're busy fixing it), the Nokia team've not said what's gone wrong; so there're a) no offers of help; b) no requests for help. |
| 17:08.14 | lardman | night all |
| 17:08.15 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Everthing gets tested internally. But you just can't test for freak accidents.. |
| 17:08.21 | ferenc | we have test servers, but we can't simulate that kind of test load. |
| 17:08.47 | ferenc | Jaffa, czr: you are right. we did not ask help. |
| 17:09.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: All those people refreshing for news about OS2008 and N810 doesn't help either ;) |
| 17:09.25 | czr | ferenc, next time, just a single email of "maemo.org is expriencing problems & we're investigating further" would help. really. |
| 17:09.40 | czr | ferenc, and don't take it personally, please. |
| 17:09.53 | Jaffa | X-Fade: of course, you're right you can't prevent freak accidents with testing. This is where DR & backup investment comes in :-) |
| 17:09.57 | ferenc | czr: yes, right. it is difficult. |
| 17:10.14 | czr | ferenc, I feel your pain btw :-) |
| 17:10.29 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That is what will be done to fix it.. |
| 17:10.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: excellent :) |
| 17:10.39 | ferenc | so guys, beside chatting here please go to maemo.org and just kick it hard. |
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| 17:11.07 | czr | ferenc, is there anything specific you'd want us to concentrate on? |
| 17:11.24 | czr | and which parts of maemo.org are we talking about? garage.maemo, or just maemo.org? |
| 17:11.29 | ferenc | czr: you know this is difficult without you guys having access to the server |
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| 17:11.39 | ferenc | we talk about maemo.org and downloads.maemo.org |
| 17:12.05 | czr | does it make difference whether the load comes through https or http? |
| 17:12.16 | X-Fade | As you might have noticed. All news is refreshing again.. |
| 17:12.24 | ferenc | czr: yes, it is. |
| 17:12.47 | ferenc | czr: we believe that this hype around karma caused that everybody is using https sessions. |
| 17:12.55 | ferenc | we just did not prepare for that. |
| 17:13.09 | czr | you might want to separate the ssl handling to front-end servers running stunnel |
| 17:13.18 | czr | that's the easy (and somewhat hackish) solution |
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| 17:13.28 | czr | that way the cpu on the php machine would be free from ssl |
| 17:13.37 | czr | and all ssl handling (sessions and gache) |
| 17:13.42 | czr | gcache even) |
| 17:13.43 | X-Fade | czr: It is not the load from ssl. It is that it isn't cached.. |
| 17:13.58 | czr | X-Fade, yes. frontends with stunnels fix that. |
| 17:14.12 | ferenc | czr: that's interesting indeed. we have caching for https now. but we could take a look at your proposal. |
| 17:14.15 | X-Fade | czr: No they won't as you use sessions.. |
| 17:14.37 | czr | X-Fade, why do you tie your php-sessions to ssl-sessions? |
| 17:14.39 | X-Fade | czr: And everything is dynamically generated for you.. |
| 17:14.40 | czr | there is no need for that. |
| 17:14.57 | czr | or maybe we're talking about different things. |
| 17:15.32 | czr | hmm. |
| 17:15.45 | X-Fade | I has to know if you can comment for example. If you have already commented today, you can't anymore. That sort of things.. |
| 17:16.06 | czr | ok. before using too much time, can I suggest something |
| 17:16.17 | Jaffa | don't use HTTPS unless necessary? |
| 17:16.19 | X-Fade | That is all pretty dynamic. The new caching system caches objects internally.. |
| 17:16.33 | czr | X-Fade, ference, once things cool down, could you write a short blurb explaining with technical details what the issue is/was and what kind of technical expertise you'd like to have |
| 17:16.51 | czr | X-Fade, but ssl has nothing to do with it, unless bound "manually". |
| 17:16.53 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It isn't the https. To keep you logged in you need sessions. Those cause no-cache.. |
| 17:17.12 | czr | ah. no I see |
| 17:17.14 | ferenc | czr: i can collect that info tomorrow. we need the Midgard gurus here as well. |
| 17:17.15 | czr | now even :-) |
| 17:17.54 | czr | problems are expected, no one is claiming otherwise. just more info would be nice. at least you can then afterwards say that "hey, we asked for help, no one came forward, so shut up and let us do our job" :-) |
| 17:18.11 | X-Fade | czr: See it as growing pains.. |
| 17:18.28 | czr | X-Fade, I'm not complaining really :-) |
| 17:18.35 | X-Fade | You read the article about the target amount of 770s they expected to sell.. |
| 17:18.35 | ferenc | czr: that's right. when we talk about "we" it is actually 3-4 guys at most. |
| 17:18.37 | X-Fade | ? |
| 17:18.41 | czr | I posted 2350, 2351 and 2352 already today :-) |
| 17:18.48 | czr | ferenc, yup |
| 17:18.49 | ferenc | all of us are monitoring this server now. |
| 17:19.13 | czr | btw, ferenc, when you have some spare moment, you might want to take a look at those. shouldn't be hard to fix/rectify. |
| 17:19.14 | ferenc | we had a session today at #karhu (freenode) where we put our heads together. |
| 17:19.29 | czr | sponsored by the finnish beer brewery? |
| 17:19.33 | X-Fade | Well, not me at the moment. I'm going to get me some dinner. tty. |
| 17:19.44 | ferenc | czr: not really sponsored :( |
| 17:19.54 | czr | heh, fair enough.. :-) |
| 17:20.03 | ferenc | czr: i may call an other session at #karhu about the site if needed. |
| 17:20.15 | ferenc | let's just give this new cache a couple of days. |
| 17:20.19 | Jaffa | Another thing to communicate when it's gone down is a) when you're doing work [which you've done generally], and b) what kind of SLA we should "expect" (if that's not too formal). For example, if it's your day job, I wouldn't expect things to get fixed over a weekend. However, if there's community involvement, perhaps we can help there. |
| 17:20.38 | czr | you might want to take the couple of days to write a small email and send it on maemo-users and maemo-devel too |
| 17:20.40 | Jaffa | s/when it's gone down/when it's *calmed* down/ |
| 17:20.46 | czr | just to let people know what's been happening. |
| 17:20.50 | ferenc | czr: point taken |
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| 17:21.21 | czr | ferenc, the main issue was a lot of frustration when people were hacking/reading stuff during weekend and things just didn't plain work and no one knew why |
| 17:21.33 | ferenc | Jaffa: that's supposed to be my day job. what X-Fade does at the moment is totally volunteering stuff. |
| 17:21.35 | czr | ferenc, that raised a lot of feelings |
| 17:21.42 | X-Fade | Load on the machine is now reasonable as opposed to freakingly high before. So it looks better.. |
| 17:21.47 | czr | great |
| 17:22.01 | ferenc | czr: yeah. i know. Sat evening i got a call from ISP while i was in a baby shop :) |
| 17:22.07 | czr | ouch :-) |
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| 17:22.17 | X-Fade | Anyway, now I am really gone to get some dinner :) |
| 17:22.31 | ferenc | thanks X-Fade once again! |
| 17:22.37 | czr | well, I've fixed broken mail servers over the phone from my summer holiday in turkey. via other person typing commands into ssh (which they've never used before, nevermind unix :-) |
| 17:22.38 | ferenc | X-Fade: we talk more tomorrow. |
| 17:22.50 | czr | that was interesting too :-) |
| 17:23.14 | ferenc | Jaffa: that's my day job which i am doing mostly day and night nowadays :( |
| 17:23.33 | czr | ferenc, is it too much to ask what is cidercones role in all this? |
| 17:23.50 | ferenc | but i am off to play with my boy. i wish you all a nice evening or day :) |
| 17:23.57 | czr | ah, ok. have fun :-) |
| 17:23.57 | ferenc | czr: they are the ISP :) |
| 17:24.03 | czr | ah. right :-) |
| 17:24.21 | ferenc | czr: thanks for the proposal again! |
| 17:24.29 | ferenc | bye all! |
| 17:24.30 | czr | np, glad to be of any help really |
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| 17:24.39 | rghosh | curious that this video recording gstreamer pipeline command (runnable from the command line) works in os2007 but not os2008 (same device): |
| 17:24.39 | rghosh | gst-launch-0.10 gconfv4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144 ! tee name=tee ! hantro4200enc ! avimux name=mux ! filesink location=test.avi { dsppcmsrc ! queue ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=1,rate=8000 !audioconvert ! mux. } { tee. ! video/x-raw-yuv ! xvimagesink sync=false } |
| 17:24.39 | rghosh | if i change "video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144" to "video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=\(fraction\)8/1", it doesn't crash, but it still doesn't work |
| 17:25.28 | vabgeo | great to know that the maemo.org webserver problem is now in control. |
| 17:26.46 | czr | X-Fade, thanks for inviting ferenc |
| 17:32.23 | Jaffa | Now, if only we could get our N810s ;-) |
| 17:32.28 | rghosh | Hmm, I suppose a clue is that in os2007, console output includes "New clock: audioclock0" whereas in os2008 it's "New clock: DSPClock"... I can't see why things should be different on the same device |
| 17:32.40 | vabgeo | jaffa, |
| 17:33.43 | czr | X-Fade, when you return, please see #2356 to see whether it's ok or not. |
| 17:37.35 | vabgeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.48 | czr | vabgeo, it is still valid! |
| 17:37.59 | czr | if you mean availability, no. no news. |
| 17:41.21 | vabgeo | ya it still says no balance |
| 17:43.01 | czr | hmm. I wonder whether I should spend this evening productively and file some more bugs |
| 17:44.08 | czr | btw, is there any nice way of getting a list of package names of installed packages? (just the package name list, without the other cruft that dpkg -l displays) |
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| 17:45.39 | sp3000 | czr: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' |
| 17:46.02 | czr | sp3000, I normally use cut with that, but seriously, no simple solution? |
| 17:46.22 | sp3000 | that isn't simple? :) |
| 17:47.02 | czr | but yeah, it will work for now. I use cut -f3- --delim=" " or something similar normally |
| 17:47.55 | sp3000 | note that dpkg -l knows about packages that aren't in a properly installed state (e.g removed but not purged config) |
| 17:48.09 | czr | true. I normally also add grep to that :-) |
| 17:48.10 | sp3000 | hence the ^ii |
| 17:48.23 | czr | now then. how to fix sbox segfaulting |
| 17:48.31 | sp3000 | ...but that's one | more ;) |
| 17:49.13 | czr | yup. how do I filter dpkg -L pkgname list to only include files? :-) |
| 17:49.15 | sp3000 | dunno, patch busybox? :) |
| 17:49.16 | kaltsi | apt-cache pkgnames .. I wonder if that prints the pkgs from repository too.. |
| 17:49.44 | czr | sp3000, I think it's some kind of race inside sbox actually. whenever a lot of jobs are started, it break down. also when doing a lot of job control stuff |
| 17:50.32 | czr | kaltsi, I think it only uses Packages-files, so yes. |
| 17:50.32 | sp3000 | kaltsi: it does |
| 17:50.47 | kaltsi | ok |
| 17:50.59 | czr | actually. what I want to do is the following: |
| 17:51.12 | czr | grep for all SDK files for "Maemo" to see where it is incorrectly typed. |
| 17:51.21 | czr | then, I'm going to repeat the same for "Hildon" |
| 17:51.28 | czr | and then, going to post 200 bugs. |
| 17:52.04 | czr | so looking a construct for that really. |
| 17:53.20 | czr | except that /scratchbox/login segfaulted again |
| 17:53.37 | czr | it clearly disagrees with me |
| 17:57.03 | czr | that's almost like my dpkg line really. sp3000's one is better though |
| 17:58.05 | Andy80 | how do I set the keyboard layout in the "emulated" environment under Scratchbox, when I run a graphical application? |
| 17:59.16 | czr | sp3000, kaltsi, any recommendations on how I should start posting the bugs? |
| 17:59.26 | czr | there's going to be a long list of packages involved |
| 18:00.06 | sp3000 | dunno |
| 18:00.07 | kaltsi | uh huh |
| 18:00.18 | czr | I'll place them under sdk and let them ripple from there |
| 18:00.30 | kaltsi | I'd collect the list and attach it to one bug |
| 18:00.39 | sp3000 | probably better to test the waters at least before unleashing anything of biblical magnitude |
| 18:00.43 | czr | well, that was my gut feeling as well |
| 18:00.59 | czr | but then I thought that "hey, each bug report is more bad karma, right?" :-) |
| 18:01.21 | czr | I'm more worried that a single long list won't get the proper attention |
| 18:01.52 | lcdd | czr: 'dpkg --get-selections' prints a pretty concise list |
| 18:02.07 | bedboi | is anyone actually concerned with maemo-karma? |
| 18:02.12 | bedboi | s/with/about |
| 18:02.15 | czr | lcdd, not bad. thanks |
| 18:02.25 | kaltsi | czr so these bugs are about wrong use of the word maemo? |
| 18:02.26 | czr | bedboi, it was a joke. and it was bad karma :-) |
| 18:02.32 | czr | kaltsi, yes |
| 18:02.46 | czr | which is kind of stupid but I'm just trying to return a favor |
| 18:03.23 | lcdd | czr: you can take that output and kinda sorta copy an installation with dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:03.57 | czr | lcdd, "sorta" is the keyword. there was a more reliable way to do that. don't remeber what though.. |
| 18:04.17 | bedboi | czr: i'm asking this because Quim said that "Other users will benefit from this since they will find the feedback better there than in mailing lists archives. These comments and stars will affect your karma (hopefully in a positive way)." |
| 18:05.04 | czr | bedboi, considering that I don't qualify for dev programs anyway, I don't really care much about karma :-) |
| 18:05.21 | czr | I'm just trying to figure out what would be the best way to submit the bugs |
| 18:05.26 | czr | kaltsi, single file, right? |
| 18:05.59 | kaltsi | czr how many are there? |
| 18:06.10 | czr | kaltsi, "many" |
| 18:06.17 | czr | I haven't ran a full analysis yet |
| 18:06.30 | czr | a lot of stuff uses Maemo like it's a noun |
| 18:06.45 | czr | like, wherever they use maemo, they use Maemo instead. irrespective of context. |
| 18:07.11 | czr | it's kind of funny, I thought all this stuff went through legal and all that. |
| 18:07.34 | kaltsi | it does but they're only human |
| 18:07.42 | czr | they're not! |
| 18:07.45 | czr | they're lawyers! |
| 18:07.51 | kaltsi | shh! |
| 18:07.53 | czr | never, ever, compare! |
| 18:08.31 | czr | hmm. I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll do a test run. just to count stuff up |
| 18:08.51 | kaltsi | yep.. let's see the numbers :) |
| 18:09.29 | czr | Binary file /sbin/dosfsck matches |
| 18:09.33 | czr | uhhh. why? :-) |
| 18:09.38 | kaltsi | heh |
| 18:09.51 | czr | fsck.vfat and fsck.msdos match too btw |
| 18:10.13 | czr | " -m Maemo addition: MBs to spare in the system (default 30)" |
| 18:10.18 | czr | help printout |
| 18:10.26 | czr | courtesy of your friend, 'string' |
| 18:10.41 | czr | that help entry isn't really helpful btw. |
| 18:10.43 | kaltsi | hmm should that be M or m |
| 18:10.58 | kaltsi | it's in the beginning of a sentence, but that's not really a sentence |
| 18:11.03 | czr | yes |
| 18:11.16 | czr | and I'm sure that help page does not have the full trademark clause |
| 18:11.26 | czr | well. pretty certain at least :-) |
| 18:12.59 | czr | /usr/share/themes/plankton/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.maemo_af_desktop |
| 18:13.20 | czr | bins: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.12 |
| 18:13.26 | czr | /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so |
| 18:13.38 | czr | /usr/share/doc/libhildonmime0/hildon-uri-open-rev-1.txt |
| 18:13.52 | czr | /usr/include/libhildonwm/libhildonwm/hd-wm.h (maybe) |
| 18:14.05 | czr | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libosso.pc (ironic) |
| 18:14.25 | czr | /usr/share/doc/maemo-connectivity-runtime/README.Debian |
| 18:14.34 | czr | /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher |
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| 18:14.49 | czr | /usr/share/doc/maemo-sdk-sounds/copyright |
| 18:15.03 | czr | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh |
| 18:15.22 | kaltsi | there are many maemo-sdk-something packages |
| 18:15.34 | czr | well obviously |
| 18:15.41 | czr | I don't have the source code of the stuff that goes into IT |
| 18:15.48 | czr | and mind you, this isn't the source code |
| 18:15.53 | czr | this is the binary packages of the SDK |
| 18:16.08 | czr | I'm betting once I'd run this on source code, it would multiply |
| 18:16.49 | czr | kaltsi, what I'm thinking is |
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| 18:17.07 | czr | could it be possible that people inside osso/n would just run grep -r Maemo on _their_ stuff and just fix it |
| 18:17.19 | czr | it's pretty useless for me to file bugs against such things |
| 18:17.48 | czr | they might as fix "Application Installer"/"Application Manager"/"Application manager" and "Gconf"/"GConf" and other similar issues |
| 18:17.52 | czr | seems silly |
| 18:18.09 | czr | or, I could develop an automatic tool that'd save the world, and the environment. |
| 18:18.14 | czr | and that would report about these things |
| 18:19.03 | czr | hmm. I should probably try to download sources for each package next |
| 18:19.11 | kaltsi | it's hard to get people to do just this to a package if they're not modifying/planning to modify it otherwise |
| 18:19.51 | czr | I know |
| 18:19.56 | czr | that's why I wanted to ask |
| 18:19.58 | kaltsi | somehow I feel that very few would do anything even if requested, but I'm a pessimist |
| 18:20.02 | czr | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/maemo-check/clinkc-av-1.0] > grep -r "Maemo" . | wc -l |
| 18:20.02 | czr | 42 |
| 18:20.06 | czr | just an example |
| 18:20.20 | czr | all of those uses go against the trademark policy (at least 90% of the ones that I checked) |
| 18:20.39 | czr | what is CyberLink AV anyway? |
| 18:22.00 | kaltsi | CyberLink for C is a UPnP library using C for small and embedded platforms. :) |
| 18:22.14 | kaltsi | mr google told me that |
| 18:22.22 | czr | "* Created new release 1.0-13 without .svn directories in the package." |
| 18:22.28 | czr | "* Packages must be created with "-I.svn" flag from now on." |
| 18:23.35 | czr | well. I guess it's somewhat ironic that a source code distributed under nokia patent license manages to break the trademark guidelines. but that's just me :-) |
| 18:23.46 | czr | kaltsi, I'll stop this insanity |
| 18:23.49 | czr | and just ignore the whole thing |
| 18:23.57 | kaltsi | good choise |
| 18:23.58 | czr | let's pretend we never had this discussion :-) |
| 18:24.53 | kaltsi | I'll ask a lawyer to go and do a global search-replace for the word maemo for every code he finds.. :) |
| 18:25.38 | czr | yeah. ask them to do it on the source code packages |
| 18:25.46 | czr | including shell scripts |
| 18:25.56 | kaltsi | nah just patch the binaries in powerpoint or smtg |
| 18:26.10 | czr | omg, you're using patented microsoft high value intellectual property! |
| 18:26.54 | sp3000 | smoke signals! |
| 18:27.03 | czr | nah. just relaxation |
| 18:27.27 | kaltsi | *developers, developers, developers...* |
| 18:28.00 | czr | you've seen ballmer's peak? |
| 18:28.15 | kaltsi | beak? |
| 18:28.20 | czr | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 18:28.40 | vegai | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Steve_Ballmer |
| 18:28.50 | kaltsi | haha, me loves xkcd |
| 18:29.11 | kaltsi | hahah |
| 18:29.17 | czr | xkcd <3. |
| 18:29.21 | zumbi | hi, i am a n770 owner, but with old arm IT2005 maemo edition, i'm about to upgrade, but which firmware version is the latest for such device and where do i find it? |
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| 18:29.49 | _berto_ | there's IT2006 and IT2007HE (hackers' edition) |
| 18:29.57 | _berto_ | afaik IT2006 is the official one |
| 18:30.05 | _berto_ | the other one is for hackers |
| 18:30.37 | zumbi | _berto_: can i gain root on both editions? |
| 18:32.10 | _berto_ | I think so, but I haven't got either one |
| 18:32.27 | vegai | xkcd has nothing on uncyclopedia :-| |
| 18:32.51 | vegai | someone needs to write an article about Maemo there, however |
| 18:33.09 | vegai | but at least there's http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nokia |
| 18:33.14 | kaltsi | ha! trademark violation right there.. czr, call the boyz! |
| 18:33.16 | czr | zumbi, you can. you have to set the device into r&d mode with the flasher |
| 18:33.35 | czr | kaltsi, who do you think I invited on the channel already ages ago? |
| 18:33.36 | czr | :-) |
| 18:33.51 | czr | explains the sudden +10 increase in nicks |
| 18:34.10 | kaltsi | the gorillas I presume |
| 18:34.11 | czr | I invited the lawyers and _their_ lawyers! |
| 18:34.48 | czr | ok. maybe I should concentrate on real bugs instead for a while :-) |
| 18:35.01 | vegai | sadly, the Nokia article isn't very good |
| 18:35.04 | kaltsi | czr someone is working on the hello-world now |
| 18:35.11 | czr | kaltsi, cool |
| 18:35.20 | czr | kaltsi, will they fix the TN applet issue as well? |
| 18:35.26 | czr | I never got the applet on OS2008 |
| 18:35.31 | kaltsi | czr and someone also said that the app manager should work if it's in red pill mode.. didn't test it though (lazy) |
| 18:35.54 | czr | that's not a proper solution though |
| 18:36.07 | kaltsi | yea it's a bit smelly |
| 18:36.27 | czr | how do I set it into red pill mode? |
| 18:36.56 | kaltsi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/ |
| 18:37.35 | kaltsi | aha it even mentions that install from file there |
| 18:38.19 | czr | not really |
| 18:38.22 | czr | "It would allow you to install every package with "Install from file", not just the ones in section "user"." |
| 18:38.26 | czr | this is not the issue |
| 18:38.36 | czr | the package I tried to install was in user-section |
| 18:38.47 | kaltsi | ok.. didn't know that |
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| 18:38.54 | czr | I'll test, hold on |
| 18:39.16 | kaltsi | afk brb |
| 18:40.11 | czr | kaltsi, doesn't fix the issue at all |
| 18:40.20 | czr | the bug holds |
| 18:40.36 | timeless | konttori: ping |
| 18:42.39 | kaltsi | czr ok.. bah I should have tested it myself too |
| 18:42.58 | czr | kaltsi, np, was quick enough to test. red pill doesn't fix it. maybe the other person misunderstood the issue |
| 18:45.55 | acydlord | happy thanksgiving to those of you that celebrate it |
| 18:46.18 | czr | is the "yay, we fought off the evil british people"-thingy? |
| 18:46.21 | czr | is it even |
| 18:46.39 | kaltsi | czr hm I can't even go to the catalogue page in AM.. |
| 18:46.47 | kaltsi | hildon-application-manager[21360]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - void show_catalogue_dialog(xexp*, bool, void (*)(bool, void*), void*): assertion `catalogues != NULL' failed |
| 18:47.14 | acydlord | it's the yay we floated across the pond and made friends with the natives thing |
| 18:47.18 | czr | hmm. tools -> application catalogue? |
| 18:47.26 | czr | acydlord, ah, that one. |
| 18:47.33 | czr | slaughterationfest |
| 18:47.43 | kaltsi | czr yep that fails .. sniff |
| 18:48.00 | czr | kaltsi, weird. works for me. although I'm running with my hack now again |
| 18:48.05 | czr | hacks even |
| 18:48.08 | timeless | czr: can you ask konttori why ukmp doesn't install for us :) |
| 18:48.12 | kaltsi | I do have the 2-TN menu thingy going on |
| 18:48.19 | czr | konttori, why ukmp doesn't install for us? |
| 18:48.28 | czr | kaltsi, I don't think it should affect it |
| 18:48.31 | kaltsi | timeless: it did install for me yesterday.. |
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| 18:49.01 | kaltsi | but not before yesterday |
| 18:49.39 | czr | eww. running red pill makes all packages visible in AM |
| 18:50.05 | sp3000 | czr: there's those checkboxen in the options |
| 18:50.20 | czr | sp3000, yeah, but I don't really need/want red pill |
| 18:50.29 | czr | it was just on to test one of kaltsis hypotheses |
| 18:50.52 | sp3000 | (and yeah, the ui is kinda useless with all pkgs :) |
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| 18:51.54 | czr | glad vollmert isn't around hearing that |
| 18:51.58 | czr | he'd spank you, you know :-) |
| 18:54.38 | czr | sometimes I find reading this refreshing: http://www.dadgum.com/halcyon/BOOK/MISC/LLAMA.HTM |
| 18:54.47 | czr | whenever you're in doubt. read that :-) |
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| 19:04.42 | GNUton | Hi! |
| 19:05.12 | K`zan | czr, so that is why all that stuff appeared after enabling red pill, thanks, will set blue. |
| 19:05.52 | GNUton | is maemo using openGl? |
| 19:05.54 | czr | K`zan, yes. it was my fault |
| 19:05.56 | czr | GNUton, no |
| 19:06.01 | czr | and not OpenGL either. |
| 19:06.10 | czr | no 3D whatsoever. |
| 19:06.19 | K`zan | czr: I don't think so, had to turn it on for some game that was incomplete. |
| 19:06.24 | GNUton | czr: ok.. |
| 19:06.52 | czr | K`zan, it still might be might fault though :-) |
| 19:07.05 | GNUton | is a good choice compile a package with -03 make flag? |
| 19:07.15 | K`zan | czr, if you need guilt, got for it :). Easy resource to acquire these days :-) |
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| 19:07.48 | K`zan | Love this thing MORE today, lots less problems in 2007. |
| 19:07.50 | czr | K`zan, sure. I don't feel a thing anymore anyway :-) |
| 19:08.29 | K`zan | Software developer, I can tell. Gets to be that way after the 3rd of 4th year of very frequent all nighters :-) LOL! |
| 19:08.58 | K`zan | BTDT... |
| 19:09.17 | kaltsi | gnuton: yes why not, but it makes debugging a bit harder, but if it's a finished product and you are looking for some performance improvements, go ahead |
| 19:09.45 | K`zan | Decided to hold off on the 2008 dev stuff until it is actually released for the n800. |
| 19:09.59 | GNUton | kaltsi: ok.. thank! :) |
| 19:10.27 | K`zan | On second (75th) though that might not be a good idea, at least I could get it installed and start getting familiar with it leasurely. |
| 19:11.23 | czr | K`zan, 4.0 isn't all that different from 3.2 |
| 19:11.45 | K`zan | czr: At this point my knowledge level of any of it is ZERO :-/. |
| 19:11.47 | czr | mainly lib name changes and couple of APIs and such. depends on which level you do your programming really |
| 19:12.03 | czr | K`zan, which language are you planning to use? |
| 19:12.18 | K`zan | czr: Going to have to figure out where I fit, if at all, into all this :-). |
| 19:12.30 | K`zan | Forth? COBOL? ADA? |
| 19:12.33 | czr | if you're small, you'll fit in many places, don't worry :-) |
| 19:12.47 | czr | more like, C, Python or Ruby? :-) |
| 19:12.48 | kaltsi | sorry, no forth for os2008 :( |
| 19:12.49 | K`zan | Less small as the years pass :). |
| 19:12.52 | K`zan | :-( |
| 19:12.58 | K`zan | Have to be C then. |
| 19:13.38 | K`zan | czr: Yes, oh busy one :-) |
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| 19:19.46 | Andy80 | Glade doesn't let me set the Image for a GtkButton... why? |
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| 19:34.23 | lopz | re |
| 19:37.53 | czr | necessary accessories to all finnish-speaking maemo-devs: http://emailman.1g.fi/kuvat/IMG_0975.JPG |
| 19:39.26 | Dasajev | :) |
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| 19:40.23 | vabgeo | Andy80, did u try gtk_button_set_image function? |
| 19:41.01 | Andy80 | vabgeo: not yet... I'm still at the Glade phase :) |
| 19:41.32 | vabgeo | k, r u using it in python? |
| 19:42.27 | vabgeo | i meant r u going to use with pygtk or c |
| 19:43.32 | czr | anyone have a n810 with a recent fw close by? to verify one bug |
| 19:43.34 | czr | buglet even |
| 19:44.09 | timeless | it's in my backpack |
| 19:44.37 | timeless | yes |
| 19:47.46 | czr | timeless, start maps, then select about |
| 19:47.58 | czr | about map -> about map |
| 19:48.06 | czr | what do the copyright strings look to you? |
| 19:48.21 | czr | +like |
| 19:48.22 | timeless | :) |
| 19:48.25 | timeless | cute |
| 19:48.36 | czr | I'll report it |
| 19:48.38 | czr | just wanted to verify |
| 19:48.54 | timeless | sadly, that isn't on my list of bugs i recall spotting in maps |
| 19:48.57 | timeless | and i had a *very* long list |
| 19:49.00 | czr | heh |
| 19:49.06 | czr | I can't blame you |
| 19:49.11 | czr | it's navicore methinks |
| 19:49.17 | timeless | wayfinder |
| 19:49.22 | timeless | it's contracted, if that's what you're saying |
| 19:49.34 | czr | yes |
| 19:49.45 | timeless | a large number of bugs are because of that, sure |
| 19:49.48 | czr | timeless, http://www.navicoretech.com/Corporate/Press/news/en_GB/wayfinder_n810/ |
| 19:49.51 | timeless | Exit being one of them |
| 19:50.03 | czr | it also looks pretty ugly |
| 19:50.10 | czr | although I've never used used any gps app before |
| 19:50.13 | czr | but still. |
| 19:50.18 | timeless | yes, it is very ugly |
| 19:50.29 | timeless | you can play w/ my n81 8gb next week |
| 19:50.31 | timeless | for comparison |
| 19:50.41 | czr | what is it running? |
| 19:50.46 | timeless | or maps on my e61i |
| 19:50.51 | timeless | they both have a map app |
| 19:50.55 | czr | I've seen tom-tom in real use |
| 19:51.01 | czr | it was pretty pretty |
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| 19:51.05 | timeless | dunno if google java maps can access gps |
| 19:51.14 | timeless | ok, this is strange |
| 19:51.21 | kaltsi | hm what's wrong with the copyright strings? |
| 19:51.23 | timeless | i'm trying to decide if my phone is confused |
| 19:51.32 | timeless | kaltsi: what locale are you using? |
| 19:51.36 | kaltsi | english |
| 19:51.40 | timeless | kaltsi: what locale are you using? |
| 19:51.48 | timeless | ok, my n81 8gb is going crazy |
| 19:52.07 | czr | kaltsi, did you check? |
| 19:52.09 | kaltsi | language english, regional settings finnish |
| 19:52.12 | kaltsi | czr yes |
| 19:52.25 | czr | kaltsi, I see A+'(c) |
| 19:52.31 | czr | kaltsi, which fw-rel? |
| 19:52.36 | timeless | kaltsi: there are two English's |
| 19:52.37 | timeless | which |
| 19:52.53 | kaltsi | UK |
| 19:52.57 | czr | or which map version (in the same place as about>about) |
| 19:53.12 | kaltsi | this is the wk 46-11 |
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| 19:53.29 | timeless | 46-11 isn't official |
| 19:53.43 | czr | ah. I'm running 32-18 |
| 19:53.48 | czr | 42-18 even :-) |
| 19:54.02 | timeless | it could be fixed i suppose |
| 19:54.05 | timeless | hold? |
| 19:54.08 | czr | ok, not reporting then. thanks kaltsi |
| 19:54.09 | kaltsi | the about doesn't say a version for the map here.. it just says 'Map' |
| 19:54.23 | czr | kaltsi, about map -> about map -> versio (last = button) |
| 19:54.28 | czr | version even |
| 19:54.57 | czr | mine i App v.2.2.6.299, Map v.2.2.1.328 TA2006.07 |
| 19:55.02 | czr | mine is |
| 19:55.05 | timeless | czr: ok, found the bits |
| 19:55.08 | kaltsi | doh.. ok App v2.2.6.344, map v.2.2.1.340, TA2006.07 |
| 19:55.13 | timeless | a few secs and i can compare w/ kaltsi's version |
| 19:55.15 | czr | (btw, all typos are due to alcohol intake, not my general suckyness) |
| 19:55.30 | czr | timeless, which bits? |
| 19:55.44 | czr | kaltsi, guess it's been fixed then |
| 19:55.47 | czr | cool, thanks |
| 19:56.10 | timeless | hrm |
| 19:56.15 | timeless | the string is the same in 46 |
| 19:56.26 | timeless | if they fixed it, they fixed it by changing the encodings or not using the string |
| 19:56.42 | timeless | please file the bug |
| 19:57.00 | timeless | bugs against released products (n810 is released) should be reported |
| 19:57.05 | timeless | so that people can know that they're fixed |
| 19:57.10 | czr | but I'm not running a released product |
| 19:57.13 | czr | mine reads "N00" |
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| 19:57.34 | czr | although N00B would be much better |
| 19:57.46 | timeless | you're running the official software version |
| 19:57.54 | timeless | the hardware is not what's causing your flakiness |
| 19:57.59 | czr | I was given this, so I'm running it :-) |
| 19:58.11 | czr | hmm, let me check my language/locale-settings |
| 19:58.40 | timeless | kaltsi: what does data source say for you? |
| 19:58.54 | czr | English (USA) / Suomi (Suomi) (last being regional) |
| 19:59.19 | kaltsi | timeless: (c) 2006 Tele Atlas N.V. |
| 19:59.43 | timeless | ok |
| 19:59.45 | timeless | the files are different |
| 19:59.48 | timeless | between gb and us |
| 20:00.27 | timeless | only us is corrupt |
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| 20:00.28 | czr | the us uses wrong encoding? |
| 20:00.33 | timeless | and it's still corrupt in 46 |
| 20:00.38 | czr | ok. I'll file? |
| 20:00.41 | czr | I want to! |
| 20:00.43 | timeless | please |
| 20:00.48 | timeless | be sure to specify us! |
| 20:00.57 | czr | timeless & kaltsi, ok! |
| 20:01.12 | timeless | s/us/US/ :( |
| 20:01.14 | czr | "The bug is caused by timeless & kaltsi" |
| 20:01.50 | czr | timeless, I'll try to collect all the info from the discussion here |
| 20:02.05 | timeless | bah, your phone doesn't seem to work |
| 20:02.11 | czr | btw, there's no app category for "maps" |
| 20:02.15 | czr | mine? |
| 20:02.16 | _Monkey | i guess mine is not |
| 20:02.16 | timeless | doesn't matter |
| 20:02.22 | timeless | use translations |
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| 20:02.24 | timeless | it's its own product |
| 20:02.29 | timeless | but i'll fix maps i suppose |
| 20:02.35 | timeless | proposal for how to deal w/ it? |
| 20:02.41 | czr | it works |
| 20:02.44 | timeless | where did you look for maps? |
| 20:02.46 | czr | but I'm wearing headphones :-) |
| 20:02.49 | timeless | _monkey forget mine |
| 20:02.51 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot mine |
| 20:02.55 | czr | and the phone was in the other room :-) |
| 20:02.56 | timeless | _monkey mine is <reply> |
| 20:02.57 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 20:03.09 | timeless | did you fix that? :) |
| 20:03.19 | czr | the phone? yes. it's close now |
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| 20:03.40 | Tieku | hello |
| 20:03.52 | timeless | that's my n81 8gb playing noise for you :) |
| 20:03.58 | czr | haha |
| 20:03.58 | timeless | how's the noise sound? :) |
| 20:04.10 | timeless | you think you're drunk? |
| 20:04.10 | czr | sounds like some very very deeply compressed hillbilly thingies :-) |
| 20:04.21 | czr | yeah, hearing voices from deep space :-) |
| 20:04.31 | timeless | i've heard this effect before |
| 20:04.35 | timeless | i can't remember what it's called |
| 20:04.43 | czr | the tin-can effect |
| 20:04.47 | czr | but this one was much worse |
| 20:04.48 | timeless | the strange thing is that the normal audio is still playing |
| 20:04.49 | sp3000 | the hillbillies from outer space effect? |
| 20:04.55 | czr | sp3000, exactly! |
| 20:05.00 | timeless | sp3000: do i have your contact info? |
| 20:05.11 | timeless | nope |
| 20:05.13 | sp3000 | I have no idea what that means :) |
| 20:05.23 | czr | he wants to exchange mobile business cards! |
| 20:05.43 | czr | I tried to explain to timeless that no one does that here, but what can I do! :-) |
| 20:06.07 | czr | timeless, where's the translations product? |
| 20:06.15 | czr | ah, found it |
| 20:07.07 | timeless | gah |
| 20:07.12 | timeless | my browser's going crazy too |
| 20:07.24 | czr | timeless, what do you call those A-symbols anyway? |
| 20:07.25 | czr | A-acute? |
| 20:07.30 | czr | no. what were they.. |
| 20:07.37 | timeless | hat :) |
| 20:07.43 | sp3000 | diaeresis, ring, acute, grave? |
| 20:07.46 | timeless | it's not accute |
| 20:07.46 | sp3000 | oh, and hat :) |
| 20:07.47 | czr | that's not official :-) |
| 20:07.53 | timeless | circumflex |
| 20:08.01 | K`zan | squiggle |
| 20:08.01 | timeless | this is what charmap.exe is for |
| 20:08.03 | czr | you sure? |
| 20:08.06 | timeless | did you leave hom w/o it? |
| 20:08.08 | timeless | yes |
| 20:08.19 | czr | salmon even |
| 20:08.25 | timeless | U+00C2: Latin Capital LEtter A With Circumflex |
| 20:08.34 | timeless | so says microsoft |
| 20:08.40 | czr | but that's not unicode codepoint |
| 20:08.49 | timeless | sure it is |
| 20:08.49 | czr | A + Circumflex I'll call it. |
| 20:08.53 | czr | it can't be |
| 20:08.59 | timeless | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00c2/index.htm |
| 20:09.00 | czr | can it? |
| 20:09.41 | timeless | you don't trust file format? |
| 20:09.47 | czr | I trust no one! |
| 20:09.52 | czr | but I want to believe! |
| 20:09.59 | czr | conundrum^2. |
| 20:10.11 | czr | 00C2 it is |
| 20:10.26 | czr | or rathar 000000C2 |
| 20:10.31 | czr | UCS-4 ftw! |
| 20:10.34 | czr | rather even |
| 20:11.09 | timeless | ok, how the heck do i get a vcard from this stupid phonebook |
| 20:11.16 | timeless | in the old days there was a convenient save link |
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| 20:12.54 | czr | timeless, kaltsi : bug 2359 |
| 20:12.55 | _Monkey | Bug 2359 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2359 |
| 20:13.19 | czr | timeless, feel free to correct it. I'm slightly drunk after all :-) |
| 20:14.20 | timeless | czr: the sound changed between when i called you and when i called sp3000 :(~ |
| 20:14.38 | czr | sp3000, actually enjoyed the noises? |
| 20:14.42 | czr | -, |
| 20:14.43 | timeless | doubtful |
| 20:14.48 | timeless | your noise was better |
| 20:14.51 | czr | heh |
| 20:15.31 | czr | you're talking to the person who has this in "current projects list": "MUPE/Chirp (Most Useless Project Ever): software build process audiolizer (suprisingly enough binary object files do not sound like white noise). On hold." |
| 20:15.39 | czr | I know what noise sounds like! believe me. |
| 20:16.06 | czr | and no, I didn't have time to finish that. but the basic process works. it hijacks gcc and ld |
| 20:16.13 | czr | and plays back object files as they complete |
| 20:16.15 | Tieku | czr: hi, you helped me out before cheers :) i've made alot of progress on getting my n800 to access a network samba share. the key command was to use insmod ./cifs.ko. however that becomes undone each time the n800 is rebooted. what part of linux can i get to run that command or equivilant at boot as root? |
| 20:16.42 | Tieku | hope thats clear enough :) |
| 20:16.45 | czr | Tieku, hmm. the n800 isn't exactly your regular linux distribution. let me looksee |
| 20:16.50 | czr | yeah, I get your question. |
| 20:16.54 | czr | not sure about the answer though :-) |
| 20:17.12 | timeless | isn't rc.d around? |
| 20:17.18 | Tieku | to be honest its my first linux distro so im learning :) |
| 20:17.43 | Tieku | which directory would it be in? |
| 20:17.45 | timeless | /etc/rc*.d |
| 20:17.51 | timeless | those exist anyway |
| 20:17.54 | Tieku | yes |
| 20:17.58 | timeless | understanding them is an exercise for google/wikipedia |
| 20:17.59 | Tieku | i have those |
| 20:18.00 | czr | yup |
| 20:18.02 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.08 | Tieku | they can run commands as root? |
| 20:18.09 | czr | put a script there that will insmod |
| 20:18.11 | czr | yes |
| 20:18.17 | Tieku | excellent thanks guys :) |
| 20:18.23 | czr | Tieku, do this: |
| 20:18.35 | Tieku | just need that push in the right direction -- planning to write a tutorial for wiki after all this! |
| 20:18.35 | czr | cat > /etc/rcS.d/S99awesomehack |
| 20:18.37 | czr | then: |
| 20:18.40 | czr | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:18.47 | czr | insmod /path/to/your/cifs.ko |
| 20:18.50 | czr | Ctrl+d |
| 20:18.58 | czr | chmod +x /etc/rcS.d/S99awesomehack |
| 20:19.11 | timeless | echo #!/bin/sh > /etc/rcS.d/S99awesomehack |
| 20:19.19 | timeless | echo insmod /path/to/your/cifs.ko >> /etc/rcS.d/S99awesomehack |
| 20:19.24 | timeless | safer than figuring out ctrl-d :) |
| 20:19.32 | czr | noo! |
| 20:19.43 | czr | well, either way will work! |
| 20:19.44 | Tieku | cheers guys. i'll do a little reading first :) |
| 20:19.47 | czr | just don't listen to timeless! |
| 20:19.48 | czr | :-) |
| 20:20.18 | timeless | sp3000: does the sound remind you of a plumber ? |
| 20:20.37 | sp3000 | echo #... won't work that well :) |
| 20:20.53 | czr | ha! |
| 20:20.54 | timeless | timeless@swift:/tmp/microb-l10n% echo #a |
| 20:20.54 | timeless | #a |
| 20:20.58 | timeless | wfm (solaris) |
| 20:21.04 | sp3000 | I ...don't know plumbers that intimately I'm afraid |
| 20:21.08 | czr | timeless, your N800 runs solaris? ;-) |
| 20:21.18 | timeless | no, but swift does :) |
| 20:21.22 | sp3000 | your shell is different ;) |
| 20:21.36 | czr | "challenged" even. |
| 20:21.38 | timeless | [sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > echo \#a |
| 20:21.38 | timeless | #a |
| 20:21.54 | timeless | ok. for busybox you seem to need ' |
| 20:21.57 | timeless | \ |
| 20:22.04 | timeless | challenged indeed |
| 20:22.13 | czr | I'd assume you'd need an escape for most shells just to be one the safe side |
| 20:22.25 | czr | s/one/on/g |
| 20:22.28 | timeless | i was using zsh on solaris |
| 20:22.47 | timeless | why anyone would use busybox is beyond me ;-) |
| 20:23.01 | czr | they might be using behind your back! |
| 20:23.12 | czr | ug-haxors and all. |
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| 20:23.36 | czr | timeless, confess, it was you who wrote hello-world-app that assumed array support in /bin/sh, right? |
| 20:23.54 | timeless | czr: no, that was gisburn |
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| 20:24.02 | timeless | (ask sp3000 for context) |
| 20:24.11 | czr | sp3000, I need context! |
| 20:24.24 | czr | ENOCONTEXT. |
| 20:24.32 | sp3000 | for wh |
| 20:24.37 | czr | for gisburn |
| 20:25.00 | czr | although I'm 55% sure timeless is just pulling my leg. |
| 20:25.32 | timeless | www.osdevcon.org/2007/slides/osoldevconf2007_ksh93_talk_slides_version100.pdf |
| 20:25.35 | timeless | will probably work |
| 20:26.04 | timeless | gisburn used to be interested in mozilla/sun |
| 20:26.11 | timeless | now he's driving ksh93 for opensolaris |
| 20:26.22 | czr | ah |
| 20:26.24 | timeless | ksh93 includes arrays,and all sorts of interesting things |
| 20:26.43 | czr | well. whoever wrote the pre/postinsts in hello-world-app should be "educated" |
| 20:26.49 | timeless | heh |
| 20:26.58 | czr | although I've run across the same problems before |
| 20:27.09 | timeless | sorry, i don't know who did stuff @nokia |
| 20:27.13 | timeless | i'd assume they predate my joining |
| 20:27.15 | czr | the world is filled is crappy scripts which use bashisms and still use #!/bin/sh |
| 20:27.32 | timeless | i think ubuntu is helping fix that |
| 20:27.36 | timeless | by switching to dash :) |
| 20:27.39 | czr | indeed! |
| 20:27.47 | czr | that's one of the issues I had to educate HP about |
| 20:27.50 | czr | damn morons |
| 20:27.59 | timeless | heh |
| 20:27.59 | czr | sorry for venting. but it's just too silly. |
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| 20:30.02 | mgedmin | maemo.org/downloads has improved *a lot* since I last saw it |
| 20:30.08 | mgedmin | kudos to developers! |
| 20:31.35 | inz | The title is a bit funny |
| 20:32.04 | mgedmin | hm, many screenshots have disappeared |
| 20:32.19 | mgedmin | well, a few |
| 20:32.27 | mgedmin | I remember uploading a screenshot of maemo mapper once |
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| 20:34.47 | timeless | hrm, someone wanna file bugs on bomberman for me? :) |
| 20:35.09 | czr | mgedmin, send an email to maemo2midgard, I'm sure the webpeople would appreciate some positive feedback for a change :-). although I'm not sure that's the proper list |
| 20:35.10 | timeless | hey, does the fornt page of maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 have an error for anyone else? |
| 20:35.21 | timeless | ( ! ) Warning: file_get_contents(/var/cache/midgard/midcom/content/maemo.org_80_/838549fc80c511dc9bb2f92a2dda9c409c40) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/midgard/svn/midcom/trunk/src/midcom.core/midcom/services/cache/backend/flatfile.php on line 83 |
| 20:35.32 | czr | works-for-me |
| 20:35.43 | czr | cached file timeless? |
| 20:35.52 | timeless | doubtful |
| 20:35.57 | timeless | i don't visit these pages often |
| 20:36.08 | mgedmin | any ideas why I can edit the page for the OS2006 version of maemo mapper, but not the OS2007 version? |
| 20:36.14 | timeless | lastupdated 2007-11-20 08:05:572 |
| 20:36.19 | czr | well. no errors here |
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| 20:37.45 | mgedmin | whee, "( ! ) Notice: A non well formed numeric value encountered in /usr/share/midgard/svn/midcom/trunk/src/midcom.core/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 1105" |
| 20:37.57 | mgedmin | and the same for line 1108 |
| 20:38.26 | timeless | ug 2360 Submitted |
| 20:39.12 | timeless | ok, you can see the pretty page i got :) |
| 20:39.41 | timeless | um |
| 20:39.44 | timeless | it won't let me login |
| 20:40.11 | timeless | at all |
| 20:40.16 | czr | seems slow to me |
| 20:40.41 | czr | but then again, they wanted us to bang the server! |
| 20:40.43 | mgedmin | I think I now understand why everyone is griping about maemo.org |
| 20:40.50 | kaltsi | someone might be working on it.. it was really fast.. wouldn't let me login.. then it slowed down and I was able to login.. now login doesn't work again |
| 20:40.52 | timeless | hey, it's half up |
| 20:40.55 | timeless | that's more than when people gripe |
| 20:41.00 | timeless | (it's usually entirely down) |
| 20:41.06 | czr | it works for me, but it's either fast or slow |
| 20:41.09 | timeless | these are just application errors :) |
| 20:41.46 | czr | hmm. should probably test some of the applications too |
| 20:42.34 | timeless | does planet work today? |
| 20:42.46 | timeless | ok, vern is way too long winded :) |
| 20:43.33 | timeless | ok, whomever kaltsi is, his profile isn't loading at all |
| 20:43.44 | kaltsi | that's me |
| 20:44.00 | timeless | unfortunately, it's kinda poitnless |
| 20:44.07 | timeless | since i didn't want your profile |
| 20:44.11 | timeless | i wanted to read your blog |
| 20:44.25 | czr | does anyone else find the whole NOKIA notice somewhat silly? |
| 20:44.34 | czr | since none of the apps are provided by nokia to start with? :-) |
| 20:44.55 | kaltsi | in 2007 at least the FM Radio app is nokia :) |
| 20:45.10 | mgedmin | strange |
| 20:45.12 | timeless | czr: which notice? |
| 20:45.25 | mgedmin | I uploaded two different screenshots for two different apps in two different tabs |
| 20:45.27 | czr | on the main OS2007 page in downloads. or OS2008 |
| 20:45.42 | mgedmin | but when the requests finally got through, I see one app with a duplicated screenshot and the other app with no screenshots at all |
| 20:45.43 | mgedmin | bug? |
| 20:45.53 | timeless | heh |
| 20:45.58 | timeless | sounds buggy to me :) |
| 20:46.02 | czr | mgedmin, wait for couple of days. maybe they're still fixing something |
| 20:46.16 | czr | but the whole site seems very slow to me now |
| 20:46.40 | timeless | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/internet/ |
| 20:46.49 | timeless | it doesn't say Mozilla based browser is provided by nokia |
| 20:46.53 | timeless | who do we have to bribe? |
| 20:47.21 | timeless | ooh, clicking on the pictures zooms them |
| 20:47.34 | timeless | ah yes |
| 20:47.35 | czr | just hover over them |
| 20:47.40 | timeless | fm radio does have the nokia icon |
| 20:47.48 | timeless | so does media streamer for n800 |
| 20:48.03 | maddler | evening all... |
| 20:48.24 | timeless | hovering doesn't seem to do anything |
| 20:48.25 | czr | I'm getting only stalls from maemo.org now |
| 20:48.31 | czr | timeless, works here (konq) |
| 20:48.39 | czr | old konq at that too |
| 20:49.01 | timeless | so, seriously |
| 20:49.08 | timeless | how does one badge something as nokia? |
| 20:49.13 | timeless | i already did it on garage/trove |
| 20:49.39 | czr | copy the nice nokia logo into the screenshot? ;-) |
| 20:49.46 | timeless | :) |
| 20:50.16 | timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/softwaremap/trove_cloud.php?form_cat=311 |
| 20:50.28 | timeless | still lists a bunch of things that i have to assume are *not* nokia provided |
| 20:50.29 | X-Fade | timeless: I asked Quim to mark all Nokia applications as Nokia.. |
| 20:50.37 | X-Fade | I have only marked a few to test.. |
| 20:50.39 | timeless | x-fade: i balme you |
| 20:50.52 | X-Fade | You want me to update microb? :) |
| 20:51.01 | timeless | in downloads? yes |
| 20:51.05 | timeless | since i marked microb in garage |
| 20:51.18 | timeless | but why are italian docs, sherlock, illumination all listed as nokia provided? |
| 20:51.21 | timeless | (garage) |
| 20:51.42 | X-Fade | Sorry, no garage for me ;) |
| 20:51.54 | timeless | that's fine |
| 20:51.58 | czr | hmm. how come after logging in, I can't rate nor comment on the packages? |
| 20:52.00 | timeless | i could fix the garage items if i really cared |
| 20:53.23 | mgedmin | czr: are you looking at http or https pages? afaiu rating & commenting only works via https |
| 20:53.31 | czr | mgedmin, https |
| 20:53.42 | czr | the whole page is missing the voting buttongs via https |
| 20:53.48 | czr | via http it "kind of" shows them |
| 20:53.53 | czr | but I'm not logged in then |
| 20:54.08 | timeless | kaltsi: can i bug you about text errors in http://maemo.org/development/tools/ ? |
| 20:54.14 | mgedmin | yay, the front page (os2007) now only lacks two screenshots: leafpad and wireless-tools |
| 20:54.21 | mgedmin | any volunteers? |
| 20:54.53 | timeless | mgedmin: i could get a picture from my 770 :) |
| 20:55.04 | timeless | wait |
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| 20:55.11 | kaltsi | timeless: yes of course |
| 20:55.12 | timeless | is that os2007? |
| 20:55.16 | czr | mgedmin, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/downloads.png |
| 20:55.18 | mgedmin | os2006 front page lacks more screenshots |
| 20:55.24 | X-Fade | timeless: btw liked my ACID2 screenshot I made for microb? |
| 20:55.24 | mgedmin | strange |
| 20:55.33 | timeless | x-fade: yes! |
| 20:55.40 | timeless | mgedmin: http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-bbc12e60993b11dc82d05163eaa8b97eb97e/original_wget-screenshot-os2006.png |
| 20:55.46 | timeless | that's os2006, no? |
| 20:55.56 | mgedmin | um... yes? |
| 20:56.04 | timeless | but you used it on http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 |
| 20:56.15 | timeless | for osso xterm |
| 20:56.18 | timeless | that's wrong :) |
| 20:56.26 | mgedmin | I blame midgard |
| 20:56.32 | timeless | heh |
| 20:56.37 | mgedmin | I uploaded an os2006 screenshot for the os2006 version of maemo-mapper |
| 20:56.48 | mgedmin | then I looked at the os2007 page of maemo mapper and saw that screenshot |
| 20:56.54 | mgedmin | then I decided screenshots are os-independent |
| 20:56.55 | mgedmin | so there |
| 20:56.56 | _Monkey | so there is, like, no way to upgrade the flash in the 770 (memory wize...) |
| 20:57.01 | timeless | vagalume has the same problem |
| 20:57.04 | timeless | _monkey forget so there |
| 20:57.04 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot so there |
| 20:57.10 | timeless | _monkey so there is <reply> |
| 20:57.11 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 20:57.14 | timeless | ... |
| 20:57.49 | timeless | didn't anyone teach you guys how to use photoshop? :) |
| 20:57.54 | mgedmin | no |
| 20:57.55 | timeless | or at least mspaint.exe :) |
| 20:58.02 | czr | photoschmop? |
| 20:58.02 | mgedmin | I had to learn gimp all by myself |
| 20:58.11 | czr | what is this photoshop? |
| 20:58.19 | czr | going into a shop and buying a photo>? |
| 20:58.20 | timeless | czr: dunno, never used it |
| 20:58.33 | timeless | but people always suggest photoshopping to make sure pictures don't look bad |
| 20:58.38 | |R | last time i heard, it was at 2.0 and was a great paint replacement :P |
| 20:58.39 | czr | does buying a photo on the street count as photoshopping? |
| 20:58.53 | timeless | and, come on, you don't want to show off an app w/ the battery nearly dead |
| 20:58.54 | czr | there's a new gimp now btw |
| 20:59.01 | czr | anyhow, I can't vote |
| 20:59.05 | czr | nor can I leave comments |
| 20:59.07 | czr | I wanted to! |
| 20:59.10 | czr | but not going to! |
| 20:59.11 | X-Fade | timeless: Microb updated. |
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| 20:59.48 | timeless | btw, the nokia thing seems to cause scrollbars to appear randomly |
| 21:00.06 | timeless | or maybe that's unrelated? |
| 21:00.18 | timeless | x-fade: look at claws mail http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/internet/ |
| 21:00.19 | czr | mgedmin, s/screenshots/photoshops/g |
| 21:00.39 | czr | mgedmin, gah, I hate Notes! especially Domino ones! |
| 21:01.19 | timeless | oh |
| 21:01.22 | timeless | x-fade? |
| 21:01.29 | timeless | the problem is that claws mail has too many votes |
| 21:01.37 | timeless | you need to reduce its vote count to less than 9 |
| 21:01.41 | timeless | otherwise it has a scrollbar |
| 21:02.42 | mgedmin | what's up with http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/osso-xterm-advanced/? |
| 21:02.43 | mgedmin | there's a horizontal scrollbar |
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| 21:02.43 | mgedmin | and the homepage link is half-hidden |
| 21:03.10 | timeless | x-fade: do you see that? |
| 21:03.14 | czr | I think I've just had enough for tonight |
| 21:03.15 | timeless | or do you need a picture? |
| 21:03.17 | X-Fade | timeless: Sorry real life sometime interferes ;) |
| 21:03.20 | czr | night all -> |
| 21:03.56 | timeless | aww |
| 21:03.59 | X-Fade | timeless: Or it should have less downloads ;) |
| 21:04.15 | timeless | it'd need a lot fewer downloads |
| 21:04.21 | timeless | it's easier to take away 2 votes :) |
| 21:04.37 | X-Fade | Yeah, need to do a some CSS.. |
| 21:04.45 | timeless | ok cool |
| 21:05.07 | timeless | btw, can you fix the os200x links? |
| 21:05.12 | timeless | they always take me back to the main page |
| 21:05.18 | timeless | if i'm on 2007/internet |
| 21:05.26 | timeless | the 2008 link should take me to 2008/internet |
| 21:05.33 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 21:05.41 | X-Fade | timeless: breadcrumbs you mean? |
| 21:05.43 | sp3000 | all this verbing makes me hungry |
| 21:05.55 | timeless | x-fade: not the normal breadcrumb |
| 21:06.02 | czr | and *10 |
| 21:06.05 | timeless | x-fade: you know how in mxr you can use a dropdown to switch trees |
| 21:06.10 | timeless | it keeps the path when you do it |
| 21:06.36 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/ |
| 21:06.37 | X-Fade | Ah, file an enhancement request ;) Wasn't in the specs ;) |
| 21:06.43 | timeless | if you use the dropdown |
| 21:06.45 | timeless | it'll take you to |
| 21:06.50 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/ |
| 21:06.50 | timeless | not |
| 21:06.52 | X-Fade | Or requirements.. |
| 21:06.59 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/ |
| 21:07.01 | X-Fade | Yeah, I get it.. |
| 21:07.21 | timeless | what component? |
| 21:07.23 | timeless | oih, downloads |
| 21:07.47 | X-Fade | I first want to get rid of all the errors etc. Then we can start doing enhancements.. |
| 21:08.31 | timeless | Bug 2361 Submitted |
| 21:08.32 | _Monkey | Bug 2361 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361 |
| 21:09.18 | X-Fade | I'll let Quim prioritize those.. |
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| 21:09.41 | timeless | kaltsi... |
| 21:09.47 | timeless | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
| 21:10.01 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.13 | timeless | displays log /messages/ as banners. |
| 21:10.33 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.45 | sp3000 | mgedmin reminds me of the time when beta-testing an enrollment system at school its developers had us use their very own bug tracking system where if you view bug 1, view bug 2, edit and save bug 1 -> get bug 1 saved on bug 2 |
| 21:10.45 | _Monkey | Bug 2 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 |
| 21:10.50 | sp3000 | that was awesome |
| 21:11.17 | kaltsi | timeless: thanks I'll fix those once I can log in |
| 21:11.23 | timeless | kaltsi: remove all the periods |
| 21:11.24 | sp3000 | that's an example of editing two things /actually/ biting you :D |
| 21:11.31 | timeless | none of those things are sentences |
| 21:11.35 | pygi | sp3000: new way of thinking ... adapt :D |
| 21:11.51 | timeless | you need a new description for less |
| 21:11.56 | timeless | "a file pager" is meaningless |
| 21:12.13 | kaltsi | I don't know how to describe it |
| 21:12.13 | timeless | screen also needs a better description |
| 21:12.18 | timeless | it doesn't manage screens |
| 21:12.19 | kaltsi | or that |
| 21:12.31 | timeless | it provided access to detachable console/terminals (ttys) |
| 21:12.35 | timeless | sharable too |
| 21:12.43 | timeless | provide_s_ :( |
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| 21:12.56 | timeless | a command line utility to /take/ screenshots. |
| 21:13.07 | doc|work | how do you do "escape" on the built in kb? |
| 21:13.10 | timeless | measures the time taken to update _the_ screen after user action. |
| 21:13.20 | timeless | doc: it's the funny hardware button |
| 21:13.22 | timeless | not on the keyboard |
| 21:13.35 | timeless | it might have a curly arrow |
| 21:13.43 | doc|work | which funny one? there are loads :) |
| 21:13.44 | doc|work | ah, ok |
| 21:13.46 | doc|work | thanks |
| 21:13.57 | timeless | an utility to read and write data across network connections |
| 21:14.03 | timeless | ^ needs work. don't ask me how to fix :( |
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| 21:14.16 | timeless | a non-interactive network downloader. |
| 21:14.17 | timeless | ^ needs work. don't ask me how to fix :( |
| 21:14.23 | timeless | it doesn't download networks |
| 21:14.39 | kaltsi | heh |
| 21:14.41 | timeless | a user interface to -- oprofile. |
| 21:14.58 | timeless | fwiw, this syntax has meaning, if you can't figure it out, ask czr :) |
| 21:15.22 | timeless | in |
| 21:15.30 | kaltsi | huh now I'm really offended.. really |
| 21:15.41 | timeless | sorry :( |
| 21:15.45 | czr | heh |
| 21:15.50 | timeless | be happy you didn't get my rant about "loose" |
| 21:15.54 | czr | kaltsi, don't be, he's like that with everyone :-) |
| 21:15.55 | timeless | someone else @n did today |
| 21:16.11 | czr | we can join up on him in secret |
| 21:16.17 | czr | although it's not a secret anymore! |
| 21:16.20 | timeless | s/join/gang/ |
| 21:16.24 | sp3000 | heh |
| 21:16.26 | kaltsi | I hate syntax errors.. and I'm embarrassed about that page as it is.. just too many things to take care of |
| 21:16.26 | czr | yes! |
| 21:16.28 | czr | gang up! |
| 21:16.35 | czr | mob up even! |
| 21:16.39 | czr | but we need more people for that |
| 21:16.50 | timeless | automatize user actions under X11. |
| 21:16.54 | timeless | automatize isn't a word |
| 21:17.00 | timeless | automate is |
| 21:17.04 | czr | automatisitize! |
| 21:17.04 | kaltsi | ok |
| 21:17.07 | timeless | but i don't know if you want it |
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| 21:17.21 | czr | is automatic a word? |
| 21:17.24 | czr | automagic even |
| 21:17.29 | timeless | automatic is |
| 21:17.33 | timeless | automagic shoudln't be |
| 21:17.36 | timeless | gah, it's late |
| 21:17.37 | sp3000 | pfff |
| 21:17.40 | timeless | please ignore my typos P:) |
| 21:18.09 | czr | automagic is hidden in the training material |
| 21:18.10 | timeless | tools for manipulating linux wireless extensions. |
| 21:18.14 | timeless | should that be "Linux"? |
| 21:18.14 | czr | although NAO OK! is too |
| 21:18.18 | czr | yes |
| 21:18.31 | kaltsi | oho.. I had Linux there once.. where did it go :) |
| 21:18.36 | timeless | These tools can be installed /on/ the device |
| 21:18.38 | czr | and it probably should also be Wireless Extensions |
| 21:18.41 | czr | as it's a defined API |
| 21:18.54 | timeless | that'd require me to know that :) |
| 21:18.57 | czr | kaltsi, it was scrubbed in legal :-) |
| 21:19.33 | czr | together, we can form the Ultimate Evil and MultiAnnoyance Engine |
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| 21:19.58 | czr | although that exact phrasing is probable already trademarked by Microsoft since Vista launch |
| 21:20.02 | czr | hmm. let me think |
| 21:20.06 | timeless | Developers can also /install/ them /on|to/ the device or in -- Scratchbox -- using ... |
| 21:20.09 | czr | probably even |
| 21:20.09 | timeless | that's one way |
| 21:20.21 | timeless | otherwise it'd probably be The Scratchbox Environment |
| 21:20.27 | timeless | or something |
| 21:20.29 | doc|work | what's the standard user's password? |
| 21:20.34 | timeless | null |
| 21:20.37 | timeless | you can't login as it |
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| 21:20.47 | doc|work | timeless: I wanted to sudo |
| 21:20.49 | timeless | log in [technically] |
| 21:20.55 | timeless | you can't |
| 21:20.58 | doc|work | and he doesn't have wheel access |
| 21:21.05 | timeless | ssh root@localhost |
| 21:21.05 | _Monkey | ssh root@localhost is the way I'm using it on n800 |
| 21:21.05 | timeless | rootme |
| 21:21.06 | _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? |
| 21:21.10 | doc|work | ah, ok, thanks |
| 21:21.18 | timeless | good bot |
| 21:21.20 | czr | doc|home, enable r&r mode on the device, login as root, then use : passwd user to set the password |
| 21:21.31 | czr | if you then need root, use sudo gainroot to get it (from user) |
| 21:21.34 | timeless | r&d? |
| 21:21.41 | czr | Rage & Dangerful |
| 21:21.48 | timeless | you said r&r |
| 21:21.48 | czr | (research & development) |
| 21:21.55 | czr | oh, heh.. |
| 21:21.56 | czr | :-) |
| 21:22.03 | czr | rest & recreation mode :-) |
| 21:22.08 | timeless | To activate the sdk repository with the Application Manager, create a new catalogue like this: |
| 21:22.21 | timeless | kaltsi: you might want to explain how to get to whereever there is |
| 21:22.21 | czr | timeless, Application _m_anager! |
| 21:22.22 | doc|work | arse, need to install ssh client :/ |
| 21:22.26 | timeless | you kinda skipped that step |
| 21:22.26 | doc|work | er, server |
| 21:22.31 | timeless | oh, and what czr said! |
| 21:22.42 | timeless | also, if your target audience is en-US not en-GB |
| 21:22.47 | timeless | then /catalog/ |
| 21:23.04 | kaltsi | hey my locale was en-UK :) |
| 21:23.12 | timeless | i'm sure it was |
| 21:23.13 | czr | kaltsi, _was_ indeed. |
| 21:23.14 | timeless | i don't care :) |
| 21:23.17 | kaltsi | is |
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| 21:23.26 | czr | <jedi>_was_</jedi> |
| 21:23.31 | kaltsi | iiss |
| 21:23.46 | timeless | Note!: To have these tools visible in the /Application/ manager, you need to have the Red Pill Mode activated |
| 21:23.50 | czr | damn. the force is strong in this one. |
| 21:23.50 | kaltsi | bantha bodo |
| 21:23.53 | timeless | note that while manager should be lowercase |
| 21:23.58 | timeless | Application shouldn't be :) |
| 21:24.11 | czr | yes. the sw is called "Application manager". |
| 21:24.14 | doc|work | any eta on os2008 for us n800 plebs? :) |
| 21:24.15 | timeless | 0 for 2 and 1 penalty for inconsistency |
| 21:24.15 | kaltsi | hm hm aha |
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| 21:24.35 | czr | please don't use other forms. especially Application Installer, Application installer, application installer nor Application Manager. |
| 21:24.54 | czr | doc|work, december |
| 21:24.55 | timeless | nor application mnaager |
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| 21:25.02 | czr | not application mnaager either |
| 21:25.08 | timeless | even spelled correctly, it's still wrong :) |
| 21:25.11 | kaltsi | how about Stuff gizmo |
| 21:25.24 | timeless | never say 'stuff' in technical writing :) |
| 21:25.28 | timeless | ask czr :) |
| 21:25.37 | czr | say "crap" or "things" or "shit" |
| 21:25.43 | czr | much easier to understand :-) |
| 21:25.43 | kaltsi | with stuff I mean the people who work for me |
| 21:25.46 | timeless | one of those three are ok |
| 21:26.09 | timeless | hrm, one of those three /is/ ok :( |
| 21:26.14 | czr | kaltsi, staff? |
| 21:26.25 | kaltsi | <phb>stuff</pfb> |
| 21:26.30 | timeless | /To install/ a binary package in scratchbox: |
| 21:26.31 | czr | XML ERROR! |
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| 21:26.35 | kaltsi | oops |
| 21:26.50 | czr | Scratchbox |
| 21:26.51 | _Monkey | well, Scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 21:26.52 | doc|work | I'm assuming it's safe to change the root passwd, right? |
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| 21:27.17 | czr | doc|work, with passwd, yes. and you should do it too. |
| 21:27.18 | X-Fade | doc|work: Sure, you can always re-flash ;) |
| 21:27.33 | doc|work | czr: thanks |
| 21:27.36 | doc|work | X-Fade: heh |
| 21:27.45 | timeless | kaltsi: that's a global change at the bottom (3 times) |
| 21:27.50 | kaltsi | yep, noticed |
| 21:28.15 | timeless | doc: keep in mind that the device lock won't be reset |
| 21:28.19 | timeless | so don't forget it :) |
| 21:28.23 | timeless | (read the manual) |
| 21:28.33 | czr | (and file bug reports) |
| 21:28.56 | X-Fade | Ok, I'm go call it a day. Way too much spare time spend here today :) |
| 21:28.58 | timeless | kaltsi: why don't you link to bugs.maemo.org instead of the useless English feedback note at the bottom? |
| 21:29.03 | timeless | spent? |
| 21:29.08 | czr | kaltsi, what exactly did timeless force you to fix now? |
| 21:29.21 | X-Fade | timeless: That too.. |
| 21:29.22 | timeless | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ |
| 21:29.31 | kaltsi | timeless: why indeed |
| 21:29.47 | doc|work | timeless: yep, is different anyway :) |
| 21:29.49 | timeless | especially since you did at the top... |
| 21:29.54 | czr | heh |
| 21:29.57 | doc|work | hmmm, does maemo ignore the hosts file? |
| 21:30.15 | czr | I like the difference in nano and vi: " a friendly text editor." vs " a text editor." |
| 21:30.22 | kaltsi | well if someone wants to say hello then I don't want him to do it through the bugzilla |
| 21:30.34 | timeless | suggest irc :) |
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| 21:30.56 | czr | " a user interface to the oprofile." -> "a user interface to OProfile" |
| 21:31.10 | czr | latter being the proper name of the sw |
| 21:31.13 | kaltsi | I hate OProfile.. and especially OProfileUI |
| 21:31.17 | timeless | yeah, czr would be the one to catch the case for things like that |
| 21:31.19 | kaltsi | the capitalization |
| 21:31.40 | czr | kaltsi, you can blame the damn yankees for winning the cold war! |
| 21:31.45 | timeless | btw |
| 21:31.52 | kaltsi | they didn't win.. the SU just quit :) |
| 21:31.54 | timeless | shows X /clients'/ X resource usage. |
| 21:31.54 | czr | otherwise we'd all be using EQUAL_RIGHTS_LETTER_SIZE_SYSTEM |
| 21:31.57 | timeless | note that change :) |
| 21:32.13 | timeless | i could be wrong, but i doubt it :) |
| 21:32.16 | kaltsi | timeless: right.. more than one |
| 21:32.20 | czr | kaltsi, yeah, I know a thing or two about that.. was born there after all :-) |
| 21:32.31 | kaltsi | hehe :) |
| 21:32.50 | kaltsi | eek |
| 21:32.55 | czr | AK-47 |
| 21:33.04 | czr | indeed. kitsch and all, but still. |
| 21:33.11 | timeless | oh right |
| 21:33.15 | timeless | so, quick survey |
| 21:33.20 | czr | oh, I still have a fair distance to go until 47 :-) |
| 21:33.23 | timeless | what's the name of the os that runs on your n800? |
| 21:33.38 | czr | IT OS2008 |
| 21:33.45 | timeless | /msg appreciated :) |
| 21:33.48 | lopz | bye |
| 21:33.59 | czr | timeless, you want to have more specific one or that one? |
| 21:34.09 | timeless | ok, so, in bugs.maemo.org we use ITOS or something like that |
| 21:34.15 | czr | I'd really like to call it GNU/Linux with a lot of proprietary crap on top, but I can't, can I. |
| 21:34.26 | timeless | bugzilla.mozilla.org wants to add an OS value for the nokia devices |
| 21:34.32 | timeless | the question is, what should it say? |
| 21:34.41 | timeless | i can give you one thing it should *not* say :) |
| 21:34.44 | czr | OS2006/OS2007/OS2007 |
| 21:34.59 | czr | +1 |
| 21:35.06 | timeless | OS2005? :) |
| 21:35.20 | kaltsi | czr OS2007/OS2007/OS2007 ? |
| 21:35.21 | timeless | anyway, what should it say? |
| 21:35.31 | mgedmin | Maemo? |
| 21:35.32 | _Monkey | rumour has it Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 21:35.35 | czr | kaltsi, yes, you sir, are the first one to get the prize :-) |
| 21:35.37 | mgedmin | Nokia Internet Tablet? |
| 21:35.40 | kaltsi | wohoo! |
| 21:35.52 | doc|work | boobies? |
| 21:35.57 | doc|work | boring bot |
| 21:35.59 | kaltsi | url? |
| 21:36.13 | timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi |
| 21:36.15 | timeless | kinda works |
| 21:36.17 | timeless | i suppose |
| 21:36.26 | czr | timeless, do you have a point to your question? :-) |
| 21:36.36 | doc|work | so, anyone know if maemo ignore the hosts file? |
| 21:36.36 | timeless | czr: i need a suggestion to replace the bug you see there |
| 21:37.04 | timeless | doc: there's some explanation of that floating aroudn |
| 21:37.09 | timeless | but iirc the short answer was yes :) |
| 21:37.09 | czr | hmm. I don't see any bugs at that URL |
| 21:37.20 | timeless | czr: browse through the os list |
| 21:37.24 | timeless | it's a query field :) |
| 21:37.35 | czr | hmm. advanced search? |
| 21:37.40 | doc|work | timeless: well that's useful :| |
| 21:37.43 | timeless | oh brother |
| 21:37.46 | timeless | yes sorry |
| 21:37.51 | |R | Linux Maemo ? |
| 21:37.51 | czr | np. |
| 21:37.52 | timeless | 405005 |
| 21:37.54 | doc|work | (the idea, not your help, thanks for that) |
| 21:37.58 | timeless | |r: right |
| 21:38.52 | czr | Linux Maemo is not a valid OS string |
| 21:39.02 | czr | it doesn't even obey the trademark guidelines |
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| 21:39.13 | timeless | czr: 405005 is the bug :) |
| 21:39.18 | czr | and it's not even an OS for ${DEITY}s sake |
| 21:39.28 | timeless | but i don't have a real suggestion |
| 21:39.53 | timeless | as i said, i know one thing it should not say :) |
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| 21:40.09 | czr | it depends on what you really want to use the OS for |
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| 21:40.14 | czr | is it maemo specific |
| 21:40.17 | czr | or is it IS OT specific |
| 21:40.24 | czr | I guess maemo would make more sense, right? |
| 21:40.27 | mgedmin800 | say "cheese" for the screenshot! |
| 21:40.32 | timeless | cheese |
| 21:40.32 | czr | CHEEZE |
| 21:40.33 | |R | fromage! |
| 21:40.33 | doc|work | :D |
| 21:40.39 | czr | damn you |R |
| 21:40.41 | |R | haha |
| 21:40.48 | timeless | no cursing! |
| 21:40.51 | kaltsi | juusto :) |
| 21:40.52 | czr | although I liked french food a lot, no offence |
| 21:40.56 | czr | offense even |
| 21:41.00 | czr | syir! |
| 21:41.16 | czr | latin alphabet sucks |
| 21:41.50 | czr | timeless, what about a temporary solution: Linux (maemo) |
| 21:42.12 | timeless | uh.. |
| 21:42.15 | kaltsi | timeless: ok thanks for the syntax checking, I appreciate it! I'll fix the page tomorrow if the gods of login allow. |
| 21:42.16 | czr | that doesn't violate the trademark, and makes it clear that it is not a completely separate entity from Linux |
| 21:42.34 | timeless | my main objection is that people tend to save queries and links |
| 21:42.42 | timeless | which means that things are likely to last |
| 21:42.49 | timeless | so i'd like to get the right answer picked asap |
| 21:42.57 | timeless | and not have too many transitions, as each one breaks queries |
| 21:42.57 | czr | there's no right answer |
| 21:43.03 | czr | plan for changes |
| 21:43.07 | czr | that's the only thing you can do |
| 21:43.10 | kaltsi | maemo Chinook Linux 4 |
| 21:43.13 | czr | no |
| 21:43.17 | timeless | no :) |
| 21:43.23 | kaltsi | Chimeo Linook 4 |
| 21:43.28 | czr | haha |
| 21:43.32 | doc|work | untitled |
| 21:43.37 | czr | now that I'd vote for |
| 21:43.38 | timeless | <unnamed> ? |
| 21:43.54 | kaltsi | <vote bush> |
| 21:43.54 | timeless | when i installed bomberman, that's what its info dialog said :) |
| 21:43.56 | czr | "whatever crap is running on the so called Internet Tables from Ikea" |
| 21:44.08 | timeless | czr: close enough :) |
| 21:44.11 | doc|work | I want to start a band called untitled. We'd instantly be the most prolific band ever |
| 21:44.26 | |R | haha |
| 21:44.28 | kaltsi | :) |
| 21:44.43 | mgedmin | I suspect "Nokia Internet Tablet" would be clearest to a J. Random Person on the street |
| 21:44.52 | mgedmin | but those don't use bugzilla |
| 21:44.56 | timeless | that's long, but not an OS |
| 21:45.03 | timeless | two minuses :) |
| 21:45.10 | timeless | Nokia Internet Tablet OS |
| 21:45.11 | mgedmin | "Nokia Internet Tablet OS" was long, so I shortened it :) |
| 21:45.18 | timeless | would be ok, and is probably not too bad |
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| 21:45.31 | timeless | how long is the Windows Mobile 6 Professional item? |
| 21:45.34 | czr | Nokia IT OS? |
| 21:45.36 | timeless | Windows Mobile 6 Professional |
| 21:45.43 | doc|work | Nookie OS |
| 21:45.47 | timeless | hey, it's shorter than the wm6p item |
| 21:45.52 | mgedmin | IT means Information Technology everywhere but here |
| 21:45.53 | timeless | so i guess it's fine |
| 21:45.58 | czr | doc|work, my spellchecker suggests Nookie for Nokia btw |
| 21:46.04 | doc|work | czr: hahaha |
| 21:46.06 | czr | amongst other things |
| 21:46.08 | timeless | czr: nice |
| 21:46.17 | doc|work | many things suggest nookie :/ |
| 21:46.44 | timeless | Cahokia, Nonskid, Novelia, Norina |
| 21:46.55 | timeless | that's what minefield suggests :) |
| 21:46.55 | czr | Chokia |
| 21:47.07 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 21:47.12 | czr | would be apt at so many levels. |
| 21:47.33 | czr | NorwegiaNookSO |
| 21:47.40 | doc|work | they're made in china |
| 21:47.40 | timeless | kaltsi: thanks for accepting feedback :) |
| 21:47.41 | czr | "not quite, but close" |
| 21:47.49 | kaltsi | my OS was 0nce bitten by a llama |
| 21:47.54 | czr | kaltsi, I can check it too if you want to |
| 21:47.57 | doc|work | er, or korea, with parts from china |
| 21:48.02 | czr | but I'm more of a technical person |
| 21:48.07 | czr | suck at English |
| 21:48.33 | czr | timeless, you really have to decide btw? |
| 21:48.35 | czr | on the OS name? |
| 21:48.37 | doc|work | btw, are there larger capacity batteries available? |
| 21:48.40 | kaltsi | czr sure but could you wait until I fix timeless' list.. it's a lot of fixes :) |
| 21:48.42 | timeless | czr: yes |
| 21:48.54 | czr | kaltsi, yell me when you're done, I'll take a quick looksee after that |
| 21:48.58 | timeless | doc: no |
| 21:49.05 | timeless | but there's this external battery thingy |
| 21:49.06 | czr | timeless, I'd suggest you steer away from using Nokia |
| 21:49.08 | timeless | someone found |
| 21:49.11 | kaltsi | czr ok.. that'll be tomorrow then |
| 21:49.19 | czr | timeless, unless you want to amend your trademark usage statement on mozilla.org |
| 21:49.19 | timeless | czr: can you comment yourself? :( |
| 21:49.38 | czr | why would I comment myself? :-) |
| 21:49.40 | timeless | do we not have a disclaimer "some items may be trademarks of other owners"? |
| 21:50.06 | czr | well.. then you must not be the person who makes/suggests the name :-) |
| 21:50.16 | mgedmin | haha, osso-screenshot-tool --help creates a file named '--help' |
| 21:50.23 | kaltsi | heh |
| 21:50.25 | timeless | czr: i'm responsible for us fixing Open Solaris |
| 21:50.31 | czr | mgedmin, what did you expect, n00b! ? :-) |
| 21:50.33 | timeless | mgedmin: that's ok, we fixed that |
| 21:50.38 | timeless | osso-screenshot-tool no longer exists |
| 21:50.50 | czr | timeless, heh. ok, I guess if you're comfortable with that, I'm ok |
| 21:50.58 | mgedmin | timeless: what replaced it? |
| 21:51.03 | timeless | screenshot-tool :) |
| 21:51.05 | kaltsi | oh crap that same bug is in screenshot-tool, I'll fix that tomorrow |
| 21:51.09 | czr | timeless, Nokia maemo | or | Nokia IT OS |
| 21:51.16 | czr | or Nokia Internet Tablet OS |
| 21:51.17 | mgedmin | that's probably in chinook? |
| 21:51.23 | timeless | yes |
| 21:51.34 | czr | one of those three. which ever you think would be most appropriate to the product you're bugging |
| 21:51.48 | czr | timeless, microb is oss, right? |
| 21:51.50 | timeless | mgedmin: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=screenshot.*debian/control |
| 21:51.53 | timeless | czr: yes |
| 21:51.57 | czr | timeless, and this is about microb, right? |
| 21:51.58 | timeless | czr: the ui isn't :) |
| 21:52.06 | czr | but bugzilla.mozilla-wise |
| 21:52.07 | timeless | czr: essentially |
| 21:52.11 | timeless | yes |
| 21:52.18 | czr | timeless, right. so then, I'd suggest to go with Nokia maemo |
| 21:52.18 | kaltsi | mgedmin: I'll fix that in screenshot-tool tomorrow... can't believe I didn't test that O_o |
| 21:52.26 | mgedmin | thanks! |
| 21:52.41 | czr | timeless, since that is not boud to any physical device. anyone can install micron on the sdk, (at least at some point), right? |
| 21:52.51 | czr | timeless, and that way it keeps clear from N IT legal |
| 21:53.04 | timeless | czr: you can use TestGtkEmbed yes |
| 21:53.08 | czr | I see maemo as much more fair game for OSS participation compared to IT |
| 21:53.13 | timeless | but that won't give you microb |
| 21:53.14 | doc|work | timeless: got a link to that battery thing? |
| 21:53.24 | timeless | doc: um, try thoughtfix |
| 21:53.27 | timeless | that's usually the right answer |
| 21:53.28 | czr | timeless, hmm. so there's no easy way to test microb in SDK? |
| 21:53.32 | timeless | (might be wrong in this case) |
| 21:54.08 | doc|work | timeless: thanks |
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| 22:02.02 | mgedmin | the comment facility could really use a 'preview' button |
| 22:02.14 | mgedmin | how was I supposed to know it didn't escape '<'> |
| 22:02.34 | timeless | heh |
| 22:03.05 | mgedmin | omg, ( ! ) Fatal error: Call to undefined function mgderrstr() in /usr/share/midgard/svn/midcom/trunk/src/net.nehmer.co |
| 22:03.25 | doc|work | would it be a really evil question to ask if there's a working nfs client for maemo? :o |
| 22:03.47 | timeless | maemo.org/community/wiki/howtonfs_06/ |
| 22:03.59 | czr | need for speed 06 |
| 22:04.08 | doc|work | thanks :) |
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| 22:04.59 | doc|work | would mean less screwing about with sd cards for one |
| 22:05.29 | mgedmin | doc|work: there was once, iirc |
| 22:05.32 | timeless | czr? |
| 22:05.40 | mgedmin | you had to flash a custom kernel for nfs support, etc |
| 22:05.48 | mgedmin | early in the 770 days |
| 22:05.49 | timeless | is it ITOS2007, IT OS 2007, IT OS2007, ITOS 2007, or something else? |
| 22:05.54 | mgedmin | I use sshfs nowadays |
| 22:06.09 | mgedmin | better than mucking about with sd cards or usb cables |
| 22:06.15 | timeless | nfs is only good if for kicks, giggles, and stuck mounts |
| 22:06.26 | timeless | nfs? |
| 22:06.26 | _Monkey | well, nfs is so much better |
| 22:06.29 | doc|work | mgedmin: that howto looks like it should work |
| 22:06.35 | timeless | _monkey forget nfs |
| 22:06.35 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot nfs |
| 22:06.40 | timeless | nfs is only good if for kicks, giggles, and stuck mounts |
| 22:06.53 | timeless | nfs is not so much better :) |
| 22:07.46 | timeless | doc: feel free to edit the wiki to fix "Application manager" (capital A, lowercase m) on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ :) |
| 22:07.51 | czr | timeless, nack |
| 22:07.53 | czr | back even |
| 22:08.17 | p| | <mgedmin> I use sshfs nowadays |
| 22:08.18 | p| | ? |
| 22:08.25 | p| | does it work on n800 ? |
| 22:08.31 | mgedmin | depends on what you mean |
| 22:08.48 | mgedmin | I use sshfs on my laptop to connect to the ssh server on my n800 |
| 22:09.02 | mgedmin | and then I can use whatever file manager I like to transfer files back and forth |
| 22:09.13 | p| | ha ok :) |
| 22:09.24 | doc|work | timeless: I would if I didn't have to register :) |
| 22:09.31 | p| | i'd like to have also encfs... :) |
| 22:09.45 | doc|work | it'd be easy, copy to text editor, replace all, save. But the registration process? blegh :) |
| 22:10.04 | timeless | doc: i think atm you can't even log in |
| 22:10.07 | mgedmin | quake 2 runs on n800?? |
| 22:10.12 | timeless | but you have my sympathies |
| 22:10.16 | doc|work | timeless: heh, nice |
| 22:10.48 | timeless | technically the code can be built to run elsewhere (we have ifdefs to deal w/ !hildon) |
| 22:11.06 | timeless | and there are people who have built it on something that wasn't maemo |
| 22:11.12 | timeless | otoh, i'm not sure i care |
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| 22:11.20 | timeless | they were still an embedded system |
| 22:11.39 | timeless | and i see little reason to lump them away from us w/ Linux |
| 22:12.08 | timeless | gah, and i see no reason to lump us away from linux, but that's another story |
| 22:14.03 | mgedmin | what's up with this URL: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/games/?org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page=4 ? |
| 22:14.14 | mgedmin | org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page? |
| 22:14.29 | doc|work | heh |
| 22:14.32 | kaltsi | one thing.. it's a bit short |
| 22:14.36 | mgedmin | is midgard written in Java, or something? |
| 22:14.49 | timeless | php, no? |
| 22:14.54 | doc|work | kaltsi: heh |
| 22:14.56 | timeless | which has the same sort of stack tracings |
| 22:15.03 | mgedmin | but anyway I wanted to ask: why is ScummVM listed twice on that page (once near the top, second time at the end) |
| 22:15.06 | czr | mgedmin, if you run into performance issues, I'd suggest you collect URLs and timestamps and such |
| 22:15.18 | czr | mgedmin, then add them to the bug whose number I forgot |
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| 22:15.29 | czr | kulve closed it already |
| 22:15.43 | czr | but I think that'd be the best place to add information |
| 22:16.17 | timeless | oh wow |
| 22:16.28 | timeless | they manually install nfs :) |
| 22:16.30 | czr | link? |
| 22:16.38 | timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/#3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 |
| 22:16.50 | sp3000 | heh, you said 3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 |
| 22:16.52 | czr | eww, md5 hashes in URLs. evil |
| 22:17.06 | timeless | aren't md5 hashes shorter? |
| 22:17.17 | czr | I don't think so |
| 22:17.20 | czr | but I'm drunk.. |
| 22:17.23 | mgedmin | shorter than what? |
| 22:17.31 | czr | than 16 characters |
| 22:17.43 | czr | hmm. that's longer that 16 characters |
| 22:17.46 | czr | than even |
| 22:17.49 | sp3000 | nah, that's md5sum size |
| 22:18.05 | czr | 32 chars. md5 |
| 22:18.18 | mgedmin | 128 bits, iirc |
| 22:18.21 | sp3000 | 16 bytes, of course :) |
| 22:18.25 | timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~/nfstmp# cd /lib/modules/current/ |
| 22:18.25 | timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~/nfstmp# ls -l |
| 22:18.26 | sp3000 | which could confuse |
| 22:18.34 | timeless | what kind of magical shell is this? |
| 22:18.37 | sp3000 | heh |
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| 22:19.25 | kaltsi | hahah.. that's my baby :) |
| 22:19.25 | czr | there's no lib/modules on the devices |
| 22:19.52 | kaltsi | there is /lib/modules after you install the modules |
| 22:20.01 | czr | that doesn't count! |
| 22:20.08 | czr | that's like.. cheating! |
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| 22:20.31 | flatface | Okay, my N800 just arrived today and I'm setting it up. I'm new to Maemo and all of this (but not Linux), so should I start messing with it and wait for 2008, or find and install 2008 now? |
| 22:20.32 | czr | "there's /lib/modules after you run mkdir /lib/modulers. har"-kind of cheating! |
| 22:20.51 | timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~# apt-get install rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules |
| 22:20.53 | czr | flatface, there's no OS2008 for N800 |
| 22:20.55 | timeless | czr: like that? |
| 22:21.04 | pygi | flatface: not yet :) |
| 22:21.11 | czr | timeless, that also is cheating! |
| 22:21.12 | flatface | I've read that you can use 2008 from the N810 firmware. |
| 22:21.20 | czr | anything that will create /lib/modules = cheating.. :-) |
| 22:21.27 | kaltsi | sour grapes.. |
| 22:21.30 | timeless | flatface: either way you're going to need to reinstall everything in a few weeks |
| 22:21.37 | czr | flatface, you can. but it doesn't mean that the firmware is meant for N800. |
| 22:21.40 | timeless | where few is something between 1 and 100 |
| 22:21.46 | timeless | conservatively :) |
| 22:21.54 | timeless | personally, i'd probably go w/ 2008 |
| 22:21.58 | kaltsi | don't reveal the release dates like that |
| 22:22.00 | flatface | Eh, true enough. I may as well fool around with it now :D |
| 22:22.13 | timeless | kaltsi: 100 weeks takes me to when? |
| 22:22.14 | kaltsi | 1-100 weeks is too accurate :) |
| 22:22.17 | czr | kaltsi, 1-100 is pretty ok in my books :-) |
| 22:22.27 | czr | and how's going to trust timeless anyway! |
| 22:22.32 | czr | who's even. |
| 22:22.34 | kaltsi | how who? |
| 22:22.40 | czr | my typing is getting progressively worse :-) |
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| 22:23.07 | timeless | flatface: i'd enable redpill and ask Application manager to save all debs to an mmc |
| 22:23.13 | flatface | btw, just some general info: if you don't want to order it off of the Internet or anything, Ingram Micro is able to ship it. From Staples, it cost me $276.28 to special order it, no shipping cost. (CAD) |
| 22:23.20 | timeless | otherwise i tend to be very frustrated when things i've installed disappear |
| 22:23.26 | flatface | timeless: debs, as in .DEB (debian package format)? |
| 22:23.31 | timeless | yes |
| 22:23.34 | flatface | roger |
| 22:23.44 | czr | debit evil bastards |
| 22:24.40 | timeless | flatface: of course, as a nokian, i would never recommend that you do this :) |
| 22:24.48 | czr | timeless, nokeneeze |
| 22:24.54 | flatface | heh |
| 22:24.58 | timeless | and as someone who has reported about at least one really bad ui facing bugs in 2008 |
| 22:25.03 | kaltsi | hmm the Application manageR has a small inconsistency with its graphics.. the menu icon and the TN icon have a + in the up-left corner but when the app man opens up there's a graphic with a tilted square in place of the + |
| 22:25.03 | timeless | especially for n800 users |
| 22:25.07 | timeless | i wouldn't really want to install it |
| 22:25.18 | flatface | I own an E62... I'm disappointed at the speed of it, but from what I hear, it's not the best Nokia device. So I'm giving them another shot. |
| 22:25.31 | czr | kaltsi, let me check. SDK or dev? |
| 22:25.37 | kaltsi | both |
| 22:25.38 | timeless | kaltsi: ain't visual refreshes grand? |
| 22:25.45 | timeless | someone forgot to refresh the inner artt |
| 22:25.45 | kaltsi | it's hard to miss :) |
| 22:25.48 | flatface | I think I'm gonna end up waiting for the real deal to come out |
| 22:25.56 | timeless | there clearly wasn't a note saying "this is related to art elsewhere" |
| 22:26.16 | timeless | flatface: it's mostly ok unless you try using the finger keyboard :) |
| 22:26.20 | czr | kaltsi, you mean the large "image" when Am starts isn't the same as the icon? |
| 22:26.24 | kaltsi | yes |
| 22:26.28 | timeless | czr: yeah |
| 22:26.33 | czr | kaltsi, the icon also has an image of an CD for .. |
| 22:26.33 | timeless | kaltsi: file a bug :) |
| 22:26.48 | czr | how on earth does a CD relate to IT? |
| 22:26.53 | kaltsi | czr CD where? |
| 22:27.00 | czr | give me a sec |
| 22:27.04 | timeless | czr: what cd? |
| 22:27.08 | czr | I'll amaze you with another screenshot |
| 22:27.18 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/screenshot-tool-1.21/screenshot-tool.c |
| 22:27.24 | timeless | definitely doesn't handle help :) |
| 22:27.31 | timeless | but if you don't include any args, it gives help :) |
| 22:27.34 | kaltsi | timeless I just fixed it.. releasing tomorrow :) |
| 22:27.42 | timeless | kaltsi: yeah yeah |
| 22:27.46 | doc|work | flatface: not bad, I got mine for 264 from ncix.com with a pricematch against directcanada.com (pickup so no delivery) |
| 22:27.50 | timeless | but that was in my window and i forgot to paste it |
| 22:27.52 | doc|work | (+ taxes of course) |
| 22:27.59 | czr | timeless, kaltsi : http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/amazing-cd.png |
| 22:28.07 | czr | notice the discrepancy there? |
| 22:28.08 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ |
| 22:28.30 | kaltsi | czr ahh that's just in the sdk |
| 22:28.32 | mgedmin | timeless: how non-unixish; I'd expect a screenshot tool to spew binary data to stdout when run without args ;-) |
| 22:28.35 | timeless | czr: i think tha'ts non branded |
| 22:28.42 | czr | kaltsi, but you said BOTH |
| 22:28.43 | czr | damn.. |
| 22:28.44 | _Monkey | damn is a very sad thing to say |
| 22:28.45 | timeless | mgedmin: not true |
| 22:28.55 | kaltsi | czr and I want to retract my previous statement.. I didn't check the sdk graphics.. just assumed they were same.. shame on me! :( |
| 22:28.59 | timeless | timeless@swift:/tmp/microb-l10n% /sbin/zfs |
| 22:28.59 | timeless | missing command |
| 22:28.59 | timeless | usage: zfs command args ... |
| 22:28.59 | timeless | where 'command' is one of the following: |
| 22:29.01 | timeless | -- |
| 22:29.15 | timeless | on solaris, i get detailed usage instructions |
| 22:29.16 | flatface | doc|work: That's pretty good. I work at Staples, so I was able to sweet talk my GM into giving me a credit for my Palm TX (broken scren), plus I got a 10% associate discount. |
| 22:29.28 | kaltsi | boo.. I don't even like fish :( |
| 22:29.30 | timeless | timeless@swift:/tmp/microb-l10n% /sbin/zfs 2>&1|wc -l |
| 22:29.30 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.50 | czr | kaltsi, yeah, the SDK graphics are quite different |
| 22:30.07 | doc|work | flatface: nice! :) |
| 22:30.45 | flatface | Oh, man... I'm at the main menu... Default skin and high resolution = sexy as hell |
| 22:31.03 | flatface | I'm enjoying it already. |
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| 22:31.19 | czr | hell isn't sexy |
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| 22:31.24 | czr | hell = hot + blisters. |
| 22:31.36 | czr | so mainly sweat and pain |
| 22:32.07 | mgedmin | unless it froze over |
| 22:32.40 | flatface | Maybe a succubus from Hell? |
| 22:32.53 | czr | mgedmin, that'd mean that a) nokia would've documented all the APIs + b) maemo.org wouldn't fall down all the time |
| 22:33.05 | czr | somehow, I don't see that happening any time soon :-) |
| 22:33.18 | mgedmin | or apple open-sourced the iPhone firmware |
| 22:33.28 | czr | it will all happen on the same day |
| 22:34.09 | timeless | interesting |
| 22:34.19 | timeless | hildon-application-manager didn't make the chinook beta |
| 22:34.32 | czr | yeah |
| 22:34.34 | czr | it didn't |
| 22:34.40 | czr | I could've told you that |
| 22:34.41 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:34.48 | timeless | well, my xref told me :) |
| 22:34.53 | timeless | but this is odd |
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| 22:34.55 | czr | in 3.2 you had to install it separately |
| 22:35.03 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=app.*man.*debian%2Fcontrol&tree=chinook&hint= |
| 22:35.04 | czr | in 4.0 it's installed by default |
| 22:35.15 | timeless | can you explain why there are 2 debian/ dirs? |
| 22:35.23 | mgedmin | how can one request removal of an obsolete project from the app catalog? |
| 22:35.29 | czr | which is an improvement, except that you can't really do anything with it in SDK without my EVIL HACKS. |
| 22:35.52 | timeless | been there, heard|read that |
| 22:36.13 | czr | timeless, 1_2.0.1 looks like an extra copy |
| 22:36.48 | timeless | afaik that's the only case of it though... |
| 22:37.02 | czr | but it is 2.0.1, so it's supposed to be _twice_ as good as the previous one, right? ;-) |
| 22:37.19 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=%2F.*%2F.*%2Fdebian%2Fcontrol&tree=chinook&hint= |
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| 22:37.52 | timeless | ok, wireless-tools has the same thing |
| 22:37.58 | czr | timeless, one of them is under mircob |
| 22:38.01 | czr | :-) |
| 22:38.16 | timeless | that's different |
| 22:38.19 | czr | the hdparm under cdbs seems weird |
| 22:38.23 | timeless | that one is actually a gecko package iirc |
| 22:38.32 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/microb-engine-1.0.3/mozilla/build/package/debian/CVS/ |
| 22:38.36 | czr | the one under defome looks really broken |
| 22:38.48 | czr | defoma even |
| 22:39.03 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/ |
| 22:39.13 | timeless | the defoma one really scares me |
| 22:39.23 | czr | ,,inode-sigs? |
| 22:39.27 | czr | argh |
| 22:39.42 | czr | invented even |
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| 22:40.00 | timeless | interesting |
| 22:40.09 | czr | timeless, btw, mxr doens't want to show those files at all |
| 22:40.15 | czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/,,inode-sigs/ |
| 22:40.36 | suihkulokki | it's great linux desktop has mono theys days |
| 22:40.36 | timeless | not sure what it doesn't like |
| 22:40.52 | timeless | the files do /seem/ to exist |
| 22:40.53 | timeless | oh |
| 22:40.57 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:41.10 | suihkulokki | ...unfortunatly all the .net apps are hidden inside installshield exes that wine refuses to rin |
| 22:41.17 | czr | mono = skii'ing boot in finnish |
| 22:41.27 | suihkulokki | ..including nokia map loader |
| 22:41.29 | czr | ski'ing even |
| 22:41.41 | sp3000 | timeless: whoa, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/%2C%2Cinode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%252525defoma--debian--1.0--base-0 works :D |
| 22:41.50 | timeless | czr: ok, clearly one of the characters upsets it |
| 22:41.56 | timeless | sp3000: so it was %? |
| 22:41.57 | czr | timeless, { ? |
| 22:42.17 | czr | maybe it's trying to do shell globs on it |
| 22:42.26 | timeless | no |
| 22:42.30 | timeless | it's url encoding issues |
| 22:42.35 | timeless | the '%' char in the filename |
| 22:42.40 | timeless | hence sp3000's url worked |
| 22:42.43 | czr | but that's just %% |
| 22:42.43 | sp3000 | timeless: I seem to actually see the redirects go in the url, from %252525 to %2525 to %25 with that ;) |
| 22:42.54 | czr | heh |
| 22:42.57 | timeless | sp3000: yeah, that was whacky |
| 22:43.10 | timeless | no idea what drove that |
| 22:43.27 | czr | what do you people expect? it is a frigging red carnivore smiling at a post industrial town! |
| 22:43.32 | czr | (the mozilla.org logo) |
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| 22:43.52 | czr | and a dinosaur too |
| 22:44.57 | czr | this is why I love perl so much: |
| 22:45.00 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.10 | timeless | which is that? |
| 22:45.24 | czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ifupdown-0.6.7osso/_darcs/current/debian/upgrade-from-0.5.x.pl |
| 22:45.25 | Andy80 | some ascii picture :D |
| 22:45.25 | suihkulokki | line noise? |
| 22:45.49 | czr | "some magical script whose author thought that perl is so sexy that no comments are really ever necessary" |
| 22:45.55 | sp3000 | hm, that previous url isn't actually what worked, rather http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/%2C%2Cinode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%252525defoma--debian--1.0--base-0 |
| 22:46.16 | sp3000 | er |
| 22:46.16 | timeless | czr: what i like is that the perl is actually reasonably highlighted :) |
| 22:46.19 | sp3000 | ok, I'm confused |
| 22:46.29 | czr | timeless, kind of, yeah :-) |
| 22:46.33 | suihkulokki | yes, perl is great: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 22:46.41 | czr | timeless, at least it shows the $:s using a different color ;-) |
| 22:47.23 | czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=m |
| 22:47.38 | czr | chick on the _m_ on line 16 of: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ifupdown-0.6.7osso/debian/upgrade-from-0.5.x.pl |
| 22:47.41 | czr | hah |
| 22:47.42 | czr | mxr <3 |
| 22:48.10 | czr | _who_ in their right might defines _anything_ important as 'm' |
| 22:48.16 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=m |
| 22:48.20 | timeless | erp |
| 22:48.21 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/dpkg-1.13.25.osso7/scripts/dpkg-source.pl#908 |
| 22:48.22 | sp3000 | if I launch or drag the urls, it doesn't work, but copy works :( |
| 22:48.28 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.36 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.37 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.37 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.39 | sp3000 | (or, copy link location, which makes it weird) |
| 22:48.51 | czr | my m? bleh :-) |
| 22:48.56 | czr | what happened to honest 'i'? |
| 22:49.06 | khertan_ | lol totally unmaintainable. ! |
| 22:49.09 | timeless | m stands for md5sum |
| 22:49.11 | timeless | don't you get it? :) |
| 22:49.20 | czr | timeless, no it doesn't |
| 22:49.36 | czr | it stands for 'me be guruhaxor who no need comments lolor' |
| 22:49.42 | suihkulokki | czr: it was renamed to justAnotherGenericVariableForTemporaryUsage=1; |
| 22:49.51 | czr | suihkulokki, ahhh. thanks :-) |
| 22:50.02 | doc|work | back in my day loops were what happened when the tape got stuck! </oldPerson> |
| 22:50.30 | timeless | czr: unfortunately mxr doesn't say how many people use m as identifiers :( |
| 22:50.32 | czr | doc|home, yeah, that's why there are two separate works in finnish for "loop" |
| 22:50.34 | timeless | but boy the list is long :) |
| 22:50.43 | czr | timeless, or what their home address is! |
| 22:50.50 | czr | kiersio and silmukka |
| 22:50.53 | doc|work | czr: that and because you like to fuck up the foreigners |
| 22:51.00 | czr | kiersio (o + umlatus) |
| 22:51.09 | czr | is the official form for programming loops |
| 22:51.20 | czr | of course no one uses it because it just sounds too sad |
| 22:51.24 | doc|work | just for programming loops? |
| 22:51.27 | czr | yeah |
| 22:51.42 | doc|work | do you have a department for creating finnish words? |
| 22:51.50 | doc|work | Ireland has one for the Irish language |
| 22:52.01 | czr | there's an office of official finnish language things |
| 22:52.07 | doc|work | riomhaire = computer |
| 22:52.08 | czr | "Suomen Kielitoimisto" |
| 22:52.09 | timeless | sp3000: so what's the story w/ %s? |
| 22:52.09 | doc|work | iirc |
| 22:52.25 | czr | silmukka is closests to "spool" really |
| 22:52.29 | timeless | is the problem that the % needs to be double escaped? |
| 22:52.31 | czr | closest even |
| 22:52.43 | czr | or noose. |
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| 22:53.01 | czr | it's much older than programming, so doesn't really convey the action of "repeating" |
| 22:53.23 | czr | cause obviously there's just a limited number of times you can apply a noose to anything (esp. a person) etc |
| 22:53.30 | timeless | sp3000: oh ! |
| 22:53.35 | timeless | it's the stupid {}s |
| 22:53.37 | czr | so, hence was born "kiersio" |
| 22:53.41 | czr | timeless, told you so! |
| 22:54.01 | czr | <czr> timeless, { ? |
| 22:54.01 | czr | <czr> maybe it's trying to do shell globs on it |
| 22:54.02 | sp3000 | timeless: what, do they trigger some magic? |
| 22:54.19 | timeless | it's not shell globs i don't think |
| 22:54.27 | czr | well, told you so / 2. |
| 22:54.55 | czr | maybe some printf formatting thingy in perl |
| 22:55.02 | czr | or rather, print "foo" thingy |
| 22:55.58 | timeless | ok, i really really don't get this |
| 22:56.32 | timeless | heh |
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| 22:57.28 | timeless | wait |
| 22:57.31 | timeless | sp3000? |
| 22:57.35 | czr | timeless, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/mxrrr.png |
| 22:57.35 | doc|work | so, just as a matter of interest, why is it that nokia ships the machine with a kind of a crappy screen protector? |
| 22:58.14 | czr | doc|work, so that you'd buy N900 or whatever comes out next? |
| 22:58.14 | sp3000 | so the screen doesn't get things on it before the customer gets to put things on it, presumably |
| 22:58.23 | timeless | czr: you complaining about something? |
| 22:58.27 | czr | ah that one, yes |
| 22:58.31 | czr | timeless, yeah. the boxes |
| 22:58.33 | sp3000 | unless you mean the pouch or such |
| 22:58.37 | timeless | yeah figures |
| 22:58.44 | czr | "as member of flass f[box] [box]VB" |
| 22:58.46 | doc|work | czr: I'd probably do that anyway |
| 22:58.47 | timeless | that's kinda how it encodes certain bits |
| 22:58.49 | timeless | it's clearly corrupt |
| 22:58.56 | timeless | i don't want ot think about that now |
| 22:59.02 | timeless | but feel free to file a bug |
| 22:59.08 | czr | timeless, but finland is the least corrupt country in the europe, how dare you! |
| 22:59.08 | timeless | does it happen in the other chinook (the older one) and sardine? |
| 22:59.11 | doc|work | sp3000: I meant the plastic, easily scratched, layer on the screen |
| 22:59.29 | czr | timeless, just was wondering whether you knew about it or not :-) |
| 22:59.30 | timeless | czr: good thinkg timeless.justdave.net is hosted in the good old us of a :) |
| 22:59.42 | timeless | i've seen it occasionally, not recently |
| 22:59.57 | czr | hmm. right. |
| 23:00.15 | czr | well, do an ident search on "i" the next time you need motivation to fix something :-) |
| 23:00.19 | timeless | (mind you, that reference came from swift which is on my desk here in finland) |
| 23:00.34 | timeless | sp3000: so.... |
| 23:00.36 | czr | timeless, so you're screwed..! |
| 23:00.39 | timeless | the url doesn't seem to be stable |
| 23:00.45 | timeless | am i right? |
| 23:01.10 | timeless | is that an ff bug? |
| 23:01.25 | czr | heh. <3 mxr.. this is why I love C++: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/gcc-3.4-3.4.4cs2005q3.2/gcc-2005q3-2/gcc/testsuite/g++.dg/template/memfriend7.C |
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| 23:01.51 | sp3000 | timeless: yeah, it's weird |
| 23:01.57 | czr | no wonder all symbian people end up in the loonies |
| 23:02.00 | timeless | sp3000: wanna file a bug? |
| 23:02.15 | timeless | (against minefield, not mxr!) |
| 23:02.40 | teprrr | czr, looks like autogenerated file for me :P |
| 23:02.55 | czr | teprrr, it's not. it's a test-file |
| 23:02.55 | timeless | teprrr: those tend to be reduce testcases iirc |
| 23:03.16 | czr | but still. any language that allows that kind of crap deserves to die |
| 23:03.18 | teprrr | czr, yes I Know that.. |
| 23:03.22 | czr | _imho_ :-) |
| 23:03.33 | teprrr | but just thinking that it could be autogenerated with some precompiler :p |
| 23:03.36 | timeless | czr: like finnish? :) |
| 23:03.41 | teprrr | s/could be/could have been/ |
| 23:03.42 | timeless | actually, my first lesson is today |
| 23:03.42 | czr | timeless, sure. |
| 23:04.00 | teprrr | s/with/by/ |
| 23:04.05 | czr | timeless, but you have to remember that I'm not really a finn :-) |
| 23:04.22 | timeless | you're a russian or something? |
| 23:04.23 | teprrr | it's always nice when someone fixes your sentences.. :-) |
| 23:04.34 | czr | timeless, I don't know. human mostly |
| 23:04.54 | czr | never got a chance to establish a personal nationality |
| 23:05.04 | czr | so I just "am" most of the time. |
| 23:05.55 | timeless | and the rest of the time, you are not? |
| 23:06.19 | czr | the rest of the time I read CPU and chip databooks and breathe binary. or drink alcohol. either of the two :-) |
| 23:06.35 | sp3000 | timeless: oh, hm. yeah, I've seen minefield eat %escapes in its display, but this one's freaky |
| 23:08.33 | sp3000 | I suppose the double-escape part is an mxr bug |
| 23:09.09 | timeless | what should mxr do? |
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| 23:10.03 | sp3000 | fx2 acts quite a bit saner :) |
| 23:10.05 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/,,inode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%2525defoma--debian--1.0--patch-1 |
| 23:10.08 | timeless | works fine in ie |
| 23:10.13 | sp3000 | right |
| 23:10.29 | timeless | it's also stable |
| 23:10.35 | timeless | so yes, please file a bug about minefield |
| 23:10.38 | timeless | it's definitely borked |
| 23:10.43 | sp3000 | the jumping about seems to be a fx3 ui thing |
| 23:10.44 | lardman | Ah, cool, chap just contacted me and is interested in writing/helping with SBC (a2dp) dsp task |
| 23:10.46 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/,,inode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%2525defoma--debian--1.0--patch-1 |
| 23:10.49 | timeless | also works in ie |
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| 23:11.58 | timeless | ok, last half of the question |
| 23:12.05 | sp3000 | that explains why it acted differently when the url was dispatched not from the location bar |
| 23:12.05 | timeless | what url is the correct url? |
| 23:12.16 | sp3000 | %25 I believe would be |
| 23:12.23 | timeless | ok |
| 23:12.28 | timeless | so the problem isn't the encoder |
| 23:12.30 | timeless | it's the decoder |
| 23:12.39 | Tieku | timeless, crzm you helped me earlier by recomending i use rcS.d to run a script at boot. I'm given that a go. looking at other scripts in the folder they start with #!/bin/sh |
| 23:12.40 | Tieku | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.18 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.19 | timeless | no :) |
| 23:13.21 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.24 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.27 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.31 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.42 | timeless | heh |
| 23:13.54 | czr | with a trout mgedmin |
| 23:14.01 | czr | trout is imporant |
| 23:14.11 | Tieku | thanks sp3000 |
| 23:14.45 | zerojay | Friends don't let friends root while drunk. |
| 23:14.48 | mgedmin | oh crap, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/xmodmap/ has no install link |
| 23:15.02 | zerojay | And I don't mean it in that Aussie "rooting = fucking" sort of way. |
| 23:15.18 | czr | "rootme" |
| 23:15.29 | zerojay | Yeah, I always kind of laughed at that. |
| 23:15.32 | czr | to sleep |
| 23:15.43 | czr | aye. night all -> |
| 23:15.48 | kaltsi | mgedmin: xev is in the sdk repository x-debug-tools package |
| 23:16.09 | mgedmin | at least the homepage link is sane (doesn't point to upstream) |
| 23:16.15 | mgedmin | kaltsi: thanks |
| 23:16.20 | mgedmin | but what about xmodmap? |
| 23:16.51 | kaltsi | maybe you can port it and put it to the extras repo? :) |
| 23:19.05 | sp3000 | dammit |
| 23:19.30 | sp3000 | hey, third time's the charm |
| 23:19.53 | sp3000 | borken? broekn? |
| 23:20.10 | zerojay | b9rked\ |
| 23:20.13 | zerojay | oops |
| 23:23.13 | mgedmin | broked |
| 23:23.17 | mgedmin | augh! |
| 23:25.00 | lardman | geborken surely |
| 23:29.52 | timeless | sp3000: ok, i think i might have found the problem, maybe |
| 23:34.54 | sp3000 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405038 |
| 23:35.58 | sp3000 | it's late, so I didn't try to make sense about how it should work and why, except for the round-trip part which should be obvious |
| 23:36.44 | sp3000 | but presumably it should only screw around with characters that can be displayed without escaping, presumably there's some sort of anti-obfuscation of canonicalization deal there |
| 23:36.51 | sp3000 | s/of/or/ |
| 23:38.02 | mgedmin | sp3000: what firefox version is this? |
| 23:38.08 | mgedmin | I can't reproduce with ffox 2.0 on linux |
| 23:38.16 | sp3000 | mgedmin: why, the future |
| 23:38.33 | sp3000 | (Version: [Trunk|v] |
| 23:38.35 | sp3000 | ) |
| 23:38.55 | mgedmin | cool |
| 23:39.08 | sp3000 | cool, I didn't mention any specific version in comment 0 |
| 23:39.24 | timeless | i'm still mucking w/ mxr |
| 23:39.27 | timeless | i'll stop shortly |
| 23:39.40 | timeless | oh |
| 23:39.45 | sp3000 | mgedmin: nightly builds |
| 23:40.05 | sp3000 | unless you specifically want build amusement ;) |
| 23:40.20 | timeless | sp3000: ok, got it |
| 23:40.25 | timeless | http_wash is doing me in |
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| 23:40.49 | mgedmin | if someone ported gnome-open to maemo, would gnome-open http://some.url work? |
| 23:41.22 | lopz | hola |
| 23:41.49 | sp3000 | dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url 'string:urlurl' |
| 23:43.30 | mgedmin | thanks |
| 23:43.38 | mgedmin | there should be a shell script |
| 23:43.40 | mgedmin | built-in |
| 23:44.20 | doc|work | x-chat on maemo, does is there anyway to get it to do url handling like it does on the desktop? |
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