| 00:00.13 | lardman|tv | See if it's in his bugtracker |
| 00:00.40 | lardman|tv | tremor dosn't use a demuxer does it? |
| 00:00.47 | lardman|tv | has its own build in |
| 00:00.54 | killfill | tremor? |
| 00:00.57 | lardman|tv | perhaps I'm remembering something else |
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| 00:01.15 | lardman|tv | _Monkey: tremor is an integer only ogg vorbis decoder |
| 00:01.16 | _Monkey | OK, lardman|tv. |
| 00:01.25 | lardman|tv | tremor? |
| 00:01.25 | _Monkey | i heard tremor was an integer only ogg vorbis decoder |
| 00:01.37 | lardman|tv | killfill: that :) |
| 00:02.05 | killfill | ah.. :) |
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| 00:04.54 | *** topic/#maemo by timelyx -> maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ |
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| 00:05.07 | timelyx | people should use the chinook xref more often... |
| 00:05.27 | timelyx | trunneml_'s question is trivially answered by http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=gdbm |
| 00:05.43 | killfill | hm.. http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 00:06.09 | killfill | os2007 is bora, right? |
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| 00:06.50 | YHYHIAMHERE | YES FINALLY got my nokia working prop |
| 00:07.13 | YHYHIAMHERE | i need a firware update on the router what a donut should of tried that a while back |
| 00:07.27 | timelyx | killfill: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ has the answer for "bora" |
| 00:08.13 | killfill | ah |
| 00:10.30 | killfill | all righty! |
| 00:11.33 | killfill | first time can make ukmp works |
| 00:15.26 | killfill | looks more "usable" than kagu and canola.. (today) |
| 00:16.01 | pupnik | it's nice to see three players with strong development |
| 00:17.19 | l7 | YHYHIAMHERE: what kind of router problem did you have? |
| 00:17.45 | l7 | i was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800#Problems |
| 00:17.53 | l7 | "According to Nokia customer support the N800 does not support 802.1X authentication with EAP-TTLS and PAP. [citation needed]" |
| 00:18.01 | l7 | i wonder if this is still accurate |
| 00:18.16 | timelyx | afaik it is |
| 00:18.19 | timelyx | why wouldn't it be? |
| 00:18.33 | timelyx | l7: the other one is bogus |
| 00:18.47 | timelyx | what portion of linux based devices support ogg out of the box? |
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| 00:19.54 | lardman|tv | night |
| 00:20.15 | czr | night lardman|gone |
| 00:20.19 | czr | -> gone as well |
| 00:20.23 | timelyx | l7: anyway, there's talk for "problems section?" |
| 00:20.39 | timelyx | i'd vote for deleting the section |
| 00:21.17 | killfill | yup.. |
| 00:25.50 | pupnik | i vote for a massive maemo users money drive for lardman :P |
| 00:26.27 | pupnik | 300-500 users at 5-10 dollars a pop! |
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| 00:29.22 | oob | hello |
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| 00:33.08 | Tieku | having trouble locating insmod on the n800 |
| 00:33.17 | Tieku | has anyone ever used insmod on the n800? |
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| 00:39.34 | killfill | ooh cool.. ukmp has a kinetic thingy too! |
| 00:39.49 | fysa | does it include mplayer? |
| 00:39.55 | fysa | or do we have working mplayer yet? |
| 00:40.01 | fysa | (08) |
| 00:40.08 | killfill | mplayer works fine here.. |
| 00:41.47 | killfill | err.. where is my volume.. :P |
| 00:42.06 | fysa | my mplayer's default volume was really low for some reason :P |
| 00:42.31 | killfill | oh.. its on the buttons.. |
| 00:43.11 | Tieku | im inside x terminal how do i change to root? |
| 00:43.30 | Tieku | su: applet reuirs root privilages |
| 00:43.34 | Tieku | requires* |
| 00:44.46 | killfill | "part mode active"?.. whats this.. |
| 00:44.49 | killfill | party |
| 00:45.49 | killfill | ah its like a playlist |
| 00:45.52 | killfill | cool. |
| 00:53.55 | killfill | hm... |
| 00:54.16 | killfill | on playlist, cannot forward/rewing to the next/prv song. |
| 00:54.25 | killfill | where should i bug report this?.. :P |
| 00:55.03 | pupnik | Tieku: sudo gainroot |
| 00:55.57 | Tieku | pupnik: cheers. appeared to be acting funny. i've ended up logging in through a shell with rootme |
| 01:01.04 | killfill | svn: Can't convert string from 'UTF-8' to native encoding: |
| 01:01.05 | killfill | :( |
| 01:01.27 | pupnik | it's interesting to see how my web traffic closely tracks how much work i put into new releases |
| 01:02.10 | pupnik | killfill: i really hate those issues - maybe you can putz with your locale settings |
| 01:03.44 | killfill | hm.. |
| 01:03.47 | killfill | "set your locale to something which can represent the incoming UTF-8 data" |
| 01:04.01 | killfill | i have to now wich language talks the developer(s)?... |
| 01:05.43 | killfill | (never mind) |
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| 01:09.58 | pupnik | killfill: did you fix? |
| 01:10.01 | pupnik | how? |
| 01:12.21 | killfill | export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 01:13.05 | killfill | i actually use LANG=es_ES... just blank LANG, and set that other var. |
| 01:13.23 | killfill | hm.. the playlist thing doesnt really convince me.. |
| 01:13.56 | killfill | or its not intuitive.. or it doesnt work as it should (here)... or of course i could be too fool to understand it.. :P |
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| 01:16.04 | killfill | oh... |
| 01:16.06 | killfill | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.07 | killfill | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.58 | killfill | aha.. it pops the song when playing it.... |
| 01:18.15 | pupnik | if you think UI is unintuitive give suggesstion to konttori |
| 01:18.39 | killfill | (does doesnt really here..) |
| 01:20.50 | killfill | pupnik: actually.. i think the idea is greate.. it like for "dj-ing" on a party.. you just go a pair of song ahead.. not for a full playlist.. :P |
| 01:21.41 | pupnik | oh a dj-ing app would be huge |
| 01:21.42 | killfill | just doesnt really delete the song from the queue after playing... |
| 01:21.52 | pupnik | omgomgomg |
| 01:22.11 | pupnik | use bluetooth headphones to select and monitor next song - headpone jack plugs into sound system |
| 01:22.18 | pupnik | so you can pick out and cue-up next song |
| 01:22.29 | pupnik | beat-matching, then do your crossfade |
| 01:22.31 | pupnik | omg :) |
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| 01:22.33 | killfill | ooh that would be a killer |
| 01:22.36 | killfill | :) |
| 01:23.24 | pupnik | ok this ... must... be made |
| 01:23.33 | pupnik | killfill: can you hack ukmp to add it? |
| 01:23.41 | pupnik | i think ukmp has the rtsp support |
| 01:23.51 | oob | digital beatmixing is heresy |
| 01:24.03 | killfill | heh.. |
| 01:24.22 | killfill | pupnik: well at least i could try.. :P |
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| 01:24.58 | killfill | how does people write python proggies?.. directly on the n800? |
| 01:25.48 | pupnik | the only python program i hacked on - i did it through ssh right on the 770 |
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| 01:37.51 | killfill | err.. |
| 01:38.05 | killfill | ok sudently i have 135 proceses of ukmp... |
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| 01:55.39 | killfill | oh.. the thing actually runs on a PC..:) |
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| 02:15.46 | rghosh | from which store? |
| 02:15.46 | doc|home | ncix.com pricematched against directcanada.com |
| 02:21.39 | K`zan | Gizmo installs on 2007 and fbreader seems to be working right now... |
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| 02:21.53 | rghosh | i'd like to see an n800 video wall |
| 02:22.15 | rghosh | pointless but fun |
| 02:22.52 | K`zan | LOL, that IS the point, if someone will send me 500 of them, I'll give it a go :-). |
| 02:23.55 | rghosh | heh, indeed. or failing that do it at as a collaborative effort at a conference or whatever |
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| 02:24.41 | K`zan | Would be interesting, but taking it out of the case is a little scary at this point considering I have had it less than a week :). |
| 02:27.13 | doc|home | well shit, a linux wireless setup that "just works" (tm). Never thought I'd see the day :) |
| 02:27.26 | K`zan | Amazing, isn't it :-). |
| 02:27.44 | K`zan | I felt the same way about the sound stuff at one point... |
| 02:28.39 | doc|home | hehe |
| 02:28.46 | doc|home | me too, then they created alsa :o |
| 02:29.14 | doc|home | hmmm, sooner they get os2008 the better, rendering's not the fastest on scrolling |
| 02:30.40 | K`zan | Still have problems, but basic sound works. WOuld like my USB headset to be a bit easier to get going and the BT headset, but I'm happy it works as well as it does :-). |
| 02:31.51 | pupnik | doc|home: give the touchscreen a good workout in the first few days - test with sketching apps |
| 02:32.10 | doc|home | why's that? bad history? |
| 02:32.33 | pupnik | i couldn't say how many have had problems percentage-wise. but a handful of people have at least. |
| 02:32.47 | doc|home | I'm liking touch scrolling on the page, much better performance than using the scroll bar |
| 02:32.58 | pupnik | yeah that's really convenient |
| 02:34.10 | K`zan | Having an easily portable wifi now, I notice there seem to be a lot of open WAPs named "linksys"... |
| 02:34.31 | doc|home | K`zan: hehe, yeah, here too |
| 02:35.45 | K`zan | Amount of wifi nodes is rather amazing, just don't know what they story really is on using open WAPs... After they arrested that kid for using the libraries after hours, I'm a bit leery... |
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| 02:36.38 | doc|home | they have to prove it was you |
| 02:36.42 | K`zan | Gizmo / SIP is really neat on the n800, just talked with a friend I have know for 10 years or so down in .au for about a half hour :-). Quality was great... |
| 02:37.03 | doc|home | ekiga working? |
| 02:37.03 | K`zan | True, probably as easy as finding out who has the WAPs to ask permission from :). |
| 02:37.11 | doc|home | hehehe, exactly |
| 02:37.20 | K`zan | Something about easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission... |
| 02:37.26 | doc|home | does gizmo support pure sip with non-gizmo accounts? |
| 02:37.55 | K`zan | Haven't tried that - I set it up a SIP contact somehow in 2008 and it didn't do squat. |
| 02:38.19 | K`zan | I don't think the leaked 2008 works perfectly on the n800 at this point, sure doesn't on mine. |
| 02:38.34 | doc|home | I'm removing skype and rhapsody. I'll never use them |
| 02:38.46 | K`zan | Number of small problems. Nothingreally major. |
| 02:39.03 | doc|home | er, if I can |
| 02:39.20 | K`zan | Good luck, I couldn't delete apps out of the panel under 2008. All I could do is delete folders and moving an app took MANY attempts if it worked at all. |
| 02:39.22 | doc|home | no updates available, that's somewhat surprising |
| 02:39.33 | doc|home | seems you're right, lame |
| 02:39.53 | K`zan | Well, 2008 hasn't been released yet, so things like that are not real surprising. |
| 02:40.29 | K`zan | I heard that the n810 is an n800 with a keyboard and GPS, but I don't know for sure. |
| 02:40.33 | doc|home | oh, wait, yeah, I'm on 2007 |
| 02:40.46 | doc|home | sounds like it, nicer hardware too. more compact |
| 02:40.58 | doc|home | but the n800 is an even better package than I was expecting |
| 02:41.01 | K`zan | I went back to 2007 last night and a number of things seem to work OK in 2007 that didn't in 2008. |
| 02:41.30 | K`zan | I got a rather abysmal camera in the n800, I'd personally rather be able to choose my GPS and keyboard... |
| 02:41.38 | doc|home | heh, yeah |
| 02:41.51 | K`zan | I got a good GPS :), just not BT :-(. |
| 02:47.19 | K`zan | Trying to find that "camera" app.... |
| 02:49.38 | doc|home | where do you get your lock code? |
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| 02:50.49 | K`zan | Default IIRC is 12345, can change it someplace in control panel. |
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| 02:51.54 | K`zan | Found it... |
| 02:51.56 | doc|home | sweet, thanks, that did it |
| 02:51.59 | doc|home | where is it? |
| 02:53.55 | rghosh | anyone know how to differentiate between os2007 and os2008 reliably in python runtime? |
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| 02:54.24 | rghosh | we're afraid platform.uname() may be too specific |
| 02:54.42 | rghosh | we used this up to now to distinguish desktop and tablet at runtime |
| 02:54.48 | K`zan | How does one remove apps from the menu / panel in 2007?!? |
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| 02:55.57 | doc|home | K`zan: I just created a new folder called unused and dragged them into new folder |
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| 03:01.57 | pupnik | n800 gives you more storage than n810. So it's really the better deal right now. |
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| 03:20.09 | doc|home | grrrr, mail client is annoying me |
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| 03:33.42 | doc|home | has maemo.org been really slow the last few days? |
| 03:35.08 | pupnik | yes |
| 03:35.22 | pupnik | new version of claws mail out doc|home |
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| 03:36.16 | doc|home | installing it now :) |
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| 03:48.16 | niteOwl | anyone here do and dev/hacking on the pimlico apps? |
| 03:48.24 | niteOwl | err s/and/any/ |
| 03:49.18 | mariorz | is there a way to remove the contacts icon from the menu? |
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| 04:03.14 | pupnik | hi niteOwl not me but that's definitly important stufff |
| 04:09.09 | pupnik | badger badger mushhrrooommmmm http://pupnik.de/pupnik_woods_mushroom.jpg |
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| 04:11.35 | niteOwl | pupnik: I'm poking around it a bit, trying to get my feet under me - first step building dates. |
| 04:12.15 | niteOwl | pupnik: nice looking mushroom |
| 04:12.39 | pupnik | :) |
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| 04:30.13 | doc|mobile | where do i get libsdl-ttf and libreadline? |
| 04:32.03 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 04:32.04 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 04:32.18 | pupnik | search gronmayer, then add the repository to your application manager |
| 04:32.26 | pupnik | or add the line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:32.31 | pupnik | (the debian way) |
| 04:37.45 | doc|mobile | thanks |
| 04:38.07 | doc|mobile | x-chat on n800 ftw :) |
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| 04:38.28 | ToddBrandt | Does anybody in here know what the hildon development channel is? |
| 04:44.09 | pupnik | ToddBrandt: this is the only maemo/hildon channel I know |
| 04:44.57 | ToddBrandt | k |
| 04:53.42 | pupnik | Re: N810 first impressions: "I took it for a drive on the bike. Wow. What a difference from the 800. No issues seeing the screen at all. " |
| 04:54.15 | niteOwl | pimlico dates - built :-), dbus started, but it complains that it is unable to determine the address of the message bus. dbus-monitor shows sure enough it is using a null destination - ideas on this are welcome...meanwhile I will keep at it. |
| 04:57.23 | doc|mobile | pupnik: 'the police however were much less impressed' |
| 05:03.49 | K`zan | doc|home: Found the answer - you have to delete them from the application manager. |
| 05:04.15 | doc|home | hmmm, ok, thanks |
| 05:04.17 | K`zan | Tapped on the greyed out delete button out of frustration and it told me that :-). |
| 05:04.33 | doc|home | K`zan: gotten sip working at all? I can't see ekiga |
| 05:05.02 | K`zan | doc|home: I'm using gismo, that worked perfectly for the one call I made :-). |
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| 05:05.07 | K`zan | gizmo |
| 05:05.34 | doc|home | hmmm, I can't find a repo for that |
| 05:06.56 | K`zan | http://gizmoproject.com/ |
| 05:07.21 | K`zan | Pick install and scroll down for n800 / n810 / n770 versions. |
| 05:08.07 | K`zan | http://gizmoproject.com/download.php |
| 05:08.10 | K`zan | :-) |
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| 05:10.32 | doc|mobile | sweet, thanks |
| 05:11.07 | K`zan | Glad to help, enjoy! |
| 05:12.44 | doc|mobile | you have to register with them, even if you use 3rd party sip servers |
| 05:12.50 | doc|mobile | :/ |
| 05:13.13 | K`zan | Dunno, not an issue here :). |
| 05:15.18 | pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=dywlV40L3rA scrolling and resizing widgets looks dog-slow on this. Not that this is really important, but it doesn't give viewers the idea that the device has good performance. Suggest Nokia invest some programmer-hours into this, and OpenGL based window system. |
| 05:15.37 | pupnik_ | i need to find a sip gateway provider for cheap/free |
| 05:15.50 | K`zan | Does such a thing exist? |
| 05:15.57 | doc|mobile | pupnik_, ekiga.org |
| 05:16.10 | K`zan | Cheap, well, free, dunno... |
| 05:16.15 | K`zan | checking. |
| 05:16.39 | doc|mobile | free :) |
| 05:16.42 | pupnik_ | i think i need to contact my isp/telco about this and threaten a s... |
| 05:16.47 | pupnik_ | dialing to landlines free? |
| 05:17.04 | K`zan | Gotta subscribe there too... |
| 05:17.35 | doc|mobile | pupnik_, ah... you didn't day *that* |
| 05:17.43 | doc|mobile | *say |
| 05:18.33 | pupnik_ | there was a service that did 1-minute free calls. I'd like to uh... make a lot of calls to Iowa ;) |
| 05:19.18 | doc|mobile | hah |
| 05:19.19 | pupnik_ | ty for the link tho |
| 05:19.23 | doc|mobile | np |
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| 05:40.24 | doc|home | found one, rtcomm |
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| 05:40.43 | doc|home | integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though |
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| 05:45.17 | pupnik_ | i haven't tried this stuff yet |
| 06:01.53 | L0cutus | [06:40] <doc|home> integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though |
| 06:01.59 | L0cutus | it's ok for me |
| 06:02.27 | L0cutus | the real problem is the lack of support to bluetooth headset |
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| 06:04.57 | javamaniac | someone has installed os2008 in a n800? |
| 06:05.26 | javamaniac | it enters in a reboot loop, and i'm no sure what i must do |
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| 06:09.56 | oil_ | hi, do you know what is the root password for openssh on n810? |
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| 06:11.25 | doc|home | oil_: rootme? |
| 06:11.25 | _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? |
| 06:11.37 | oil_ | rootme nor maemo works |
| 06:12.06 | oil_ | also username: maemo, passowrd: maemo does not work |
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| 06:22.37 | doc|home | how log does it take the n800 to charge? |
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| 06:25.55 | sxpert | doc|home, 4 to 5 hours or so |
| 06:27.56 | doc|home | sxpert: thanks |
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| 06:31.39 | pupnik_ | 5 days, i think |
| 06:31.51 | K`zan | LOL |
| 06:32.05 | K`zan | My cell phone crank emergency charger will charge the n800 :). |
| 06:32.31 | K`zan | That could be a LONG job :-). |
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| 06:37.21 | doc|home | heh |
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| 06:40.46 | pupnik_ | i'm lookin at portable solar charger, hopefully i'll have my bike fixed up and n810 for a road trip to strasbourg on the tea party day, dec 16 - weather accomodating |
| 06:41.11 | pupnik_ | brand new n810 + bike + icy roads -- uhh nope. |
| 06:41.22 | K`zan | Wise :-)! |
| 06:42.09 | K`zan | Discretion is the better part of not having to replace everything :). |
| 06:45.35 | pupnik_ | is the N810 d-pad 8-way? |
| 06:48.02 | K`zan | I think I need a game to test that premise on :-). |
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| 06:51.08 | corevette | does the latest canola still support the 770? |
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| 07:03.27 | lopz | bye |
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| 07:10.50 | K`zan | Night all (here :-). |
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| 08:02.38 | sven-tek | Good morning |
| 08:04.41 | pupnik_ | hallihallo |
| 08:04.42 | sven-tek | iam right about to downgrade my n800 from os2008 to os2007 |
| 08:05.42 | pupnik_ | think i'm gonna use the 770 for os2006 and os2007 testing and 810 for os2008 |
| 08:05.43 | mariorz | does sshfs need like a sshfs server? |
| 08:05.59 | pupnik_ | sshfs? |
| 08:06.00 | _Monkey | sshfs is, like, enough for mgedmin_'s needs |
| 08:06.14 | pupnik_ | darn, if anyone finds a wiki or something to teach monkey pls do |
| 08:06.41 | mariorz | or is that done trough ssh? i.e. if i install ssh on my mac should i be able to connect to the device |
| 08:06.48 | mariorz | with openssh on it |
| 08:06.58 | mariorz | or am i missing s sshfs server? |
| 08:07.11 | mariorz | install sshfs* on my mac |
| 08:07.50 | mariorz | i see afuseport thing on the wiki |
| 08:08.20 | mariorz | not sure if thts what i want |
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| 08:09.27 | pupnik_ | i think you need fuse to bind the filesystem in userspace |
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| 08:10.45 | mariorz | that means i have to istall fuse on the device? |
| 08:12.07 | sven-tek | mariorz, do you want to mount at host or at n800 |
| 08:12.24 | mariorz | hmm good quesiton |
| 08:12.29 | mariorz | i imagine host add |
| 08:12.40 | mariorz | err host at |
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| 08:12.57 | mariorz | and its n770 but with os2007 |
| 08:13.02 | sven-tek | i use to mount folders from my n800 on the host side. therefore i installed sshfs on the ubuntu pc |
| 08:13.29 | sven-tek | the new browser in os2008 annoyes me |
| 08:13.33 | mariorz | ok right so you mount the file system on the device from your desktop? thats what i want |
| 08:13.58 | mariorz | what do you need to install on the device for that just upenssh? |
| 08:14.03 | sven-tek | you only need ssh server on the device and fuse+sshfs on the host |
| 08:14.29 | mariorz | oks, seems to be not working but maybe an issue with macfuse then |
| 08:14.33 | mariorz | thanks |
| 08:14.53 | mariorz | just installed that as well |
| 08:15.08 | sven-tek | ubuntu can run on mac hardware very well :-P |
| 08:15.46 | mariorz | haha actually this will be running ubuntu as long as i gets me hands on a new laptop that can run jaguar :P |
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| 08:16.08 | mariorz | s/long/soon |
| 08:16.26 | pupnik_ | sidux is the penguin that ate new york |
| 08:17.46 | czr | mornin |
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| 08:24.26 | mariorz | so the desktop applets can only be written in c? |
| 08:26.00 | doc|home | what rez movies will the media player play? I'm getting resolution not supporte |
| 08:26.02 | doc|home | +d |
| 08:26.58 | pupnik_ | mplayer? |
| 08:26.59 | _Monkey | i heard mplayer was a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer |
| 08:27.12 | pupnik_ | 770-encode? |
| 08:27.12 | _Monkey | i guess 770-encode is now known at tablet-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:27.49 | pupnik_ | doc|home: transcode to <=400 wide and <=240 high, use a good codec - then play with mplayer |
| 08:28.14 | doc|home | wow, that's pretty crap :) thanks |
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| 08:29.25 | pupnik_ | high definition video is too cpu hungry - remember divx video used to take around a 500mhz pentium to play smoothly |
| 08:29.47 | pupnik_ | now some of it can be offloaded onto gpu, but still |
| 08:30.40 | doc|home | yeah :/ |
| 08:30.43 | sven-tek | I use the 770 mediaConverter for converting videos for my n800 |
| 08:30.59 | sven-tek | pretty java gui, drag and drop |
| 08:31.04 | sven-tek | needs mplayer |
| 08:31.19 | sven-tek | of ffmpeg i dont recall |
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| 08:37.14 | astro76 | mencoder |
| 08:43.46 | mariorz | does anyone know if this is for os2007? http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ |
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| 08:44.19 | mariorz | or is the plugin rewrite for os2008? |
| 08:44.21 | L0cutus | uff |
| 08:44.29 | L0cutus | unable to install/use mediaserv :( |
| 08:45.14 | astro76 | mariorz, the article is from march |
| 08:46.28 | mariorz | astro76: i saw that but it also says that that version of hildon-desktop is not availabe for n800! |
| 08:46.57 | mariorz | err on the next one http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/29/writing-a-cool-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ sidenotes |
| 08:47.01 | bedboi | gtk_separator_tool_item_set_draw seems to have no effect on hildon |
| 08:47.11 | bedboi | is it a feature? |
| 08:47.18 | astro76 | mariorz, could be, it's an upstream gnome project |
| 08:47.55 | mariorz | has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007? |
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| 08:53.12 | khertan | <mariorz> has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007? |
| 08:53.16 | khertan | not possible yet |
| 08:53.22 | khertan | sniff :( |
| 08:53.30 | khertan | binding isn't finished ! |
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| 08:53.51 | mariorz | i see |
| 08:53.57 | sciboy | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/extensions/maemo-google-gears/trunk/gears/README.Maemo |
| 08:54.07 | mariorz | :( indeed |
| 08:54.25 | khertan | mariorz: and binding isn't finished on chinook too ...L |
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| 08:54.29 | sciboy | I'd kill for some binaries of that, it would allow me to use my todo list offline. |
| 08:55.58 | mariorz | khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think |
| 08:56.21 | mariorz | not sude about the code names but it was working on hildon |
| 08:56.29 | mariorz | hte ones i posted up |
| 08:56.49 | Spakman | has anyone written Ruby desktop applets yet? |
| 08:57.20 | mariorz | i think only c for the desktop applets in os2007 |
| 08:58.47 | doc|home | pupnik_: tablet-encode did it perfectly, thanks :) |
| 08:59.07 | doc|home | pupnik_: I'll be watching money as debt on my way to work in the morning :) |
| 08:59.42 | mariorz | watch sicp! |
| 09:00.55 | doc|home | wicp? |
| 09:00.59 | doc|home | er, sicp? |
| 09:01.22 | mariorz | http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ |
| 09:01.40 | doc|home | funky, I may just do that the day after :) thanks |
| 09:02.12 | mariorz | lol yeah im gonna take them to class and ignore real life teachers will watching that |
| 09:02.17 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 09:03.34 | pupnik_ | hahaha i have the purple book mariorz |
| 09:04.04 | mariorz | cool im gonna print it tommorro :D |
| 09:04.47 | pupnik_ | i had the misfortune of teaching myself to program in BASIC and learning Pascal before taking that course at university |
| 09:04.51 | pupnik_ | so i was kind of ruined |
| 09:05.11 | pupnik_ | brain... must..rearrange..assumptions |
| 09:05.12 | mariorz | i tought myself php so i guess were kind of on the same boar :S |
| 09:05.23 | mariorz | im recovering |
| 09:05.33 | mariorz | boat |
| 09:06.15 | pupnik_ | boar works too |
| 09:06.15 | mariorz | ofc |
| 09:06.15 | pupnik_ | hehe |
| 09:08.22 | timelyx | hrm |
| 09:08.27 | timelyx | planet.maemo is still borked? |
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| 09:11.03 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:11.17 | Jaffa | L0cutus: need a hand with mediaserv? |
| 09:11.32 | Spakman | thanks mariorz |
| 09:11.54 | Spakman | what about 0S2008? Other languages? |
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| 09:12.43 | mariorz | Spakman: no idea, sorry |
| 09:12.44 | tsavola | sicp rules |
| 09:13.38 | tsavola | oh they have videos? |
| 09:13.43 | mariorz | Spakman: apparantly you cna use python for the applets i os2008 |
| 09:14.02 | mariorz | Spakman: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ |
| 09:14.26 | mariorz | tsavola: yeah torrents are freaking fast |
| 09:15.20 | L0cutus | Jaffa: thanks, but the problem is with perl rather than with mediaserv unfortunately... |
| 09:15.45 | Spakman | ta mariorz |
| 09:16.09 | timelyx | Jaffa: have you fixed your google maps address? |
| 09:16.11 | L0cutus | seems some deps are not met |
| 09:16.39 | tsavola | mariorz: i already read the book, is the movie worth watching? :) |
| 09:16.57 | tsavola | although i did see a finnish version of the play |
| 09:17.18 | mariorz | hahaha |
| 09:18.15 | mariorz | theyre videos from calss lectures at hp or someplace |
| 09:25.34 | X-Fade | timelyx: Planet has been refreshed.. |
| 09:27.42 | khertan | <mariorz> khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think |
| 09:27.52 | khertan | mariorz: it s on chinook |
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| 09:28.05 | khertan | mariorz: but with a dev version of the binding |
| 09:28.21 | khertan | and this version of binding seems to be not available anywhere |
| 09:28.44 | khertan | lucasr from blogs.gnome.org is the developper of this binding |
| 09:29.14 | mariorz | i see |
| 09:29.41 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
| 09:29.43 | mariorz | then again im ona 770 so had already given up on the dessktop applet, ill just write an app |
| 09:30.07 | khertan | but i m really interested by doing my own home applet in python :) |
| 09:30.29 | mariorz | that would rock indeed |
| 09:31.07 | khertan | hi rothiel |
| 09:31.21 | mariorz | khertan: youre working on that? |
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| 09:49.00 | lardman | morning |
| 09:49.00 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 09:52.10 | timeless | czr: ping |
| 09:52.14 | timeless | what did you want me to poke? |
| 09:52.16 | czr | pong timeless |
| 09:52.18 | timeless | oh, i know |
| 09:52.31 | timeless | btw, is it not ok to just consider flash sizes? |
| 09:52.33 | timeless | that's public :) |
| 09:53.06 | czr | timeless, well. kind of, and yes, I know the problem :-) |
| 09:53.33 | czr | if you're too scared to throw me a ballbark figure for the N810, I'll just wait what will happen when the proper review finishes ;-) |
| 09:53.37 | czr | that way your hands stay clean ;-) |
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| 09:55.03 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:55.11 | czr | hey AD-N770 |
| 09:55.14 | timeless | oh, it's no problem |
| 09:55.16 | timeless | i have qa :) |
| 09:55.21 | timeless | they'll get me a table :) |
| 09:55.32 | czr | :-) |
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| 09:59.36 | timeless | anyway, you also complained about something else |
| 09:59.54 | czr | timeless, yup. the tech specs page |
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| 10:00.21 | timeless | this is cool |
| 10:00.22 | czr | and I only filed a bug because you were too lazy to send yourself an email! :-) |
| 10:00.31 | timeless | people actually know how to use that product |
| 10:00.39 | timeless | there are 2 bugs there touched in the past 1 day :) |
| 10:00.43 | czr | heh |
| 10:00.45 | timeless | i.e., not just yours :) |
| 10:00.51 | czr | eh? |
| 10:00.54 | czr | let me check the bug num. |
| 10:01.00 | timeless | oh, i found yours |
| 10:01.10 | czr | hmm. what happened to it? |
| 10:01.10 | timeless | but try query:product=product,changedin=1d |
| 10:01.18 | timeless | it's unco |
| 10:01.22 | timeless | "my bugs" won't find uncos |
| 10:01.26 | czr | ah |
| 10:01.36 | czr | I always file them uncorfimed first |
| 10:01.39 | czr | should I change? |
| 10:01.44 | czr | is there something wrong with me? |
| 10:01.51 | timeless | no, but you should save a query that includes unco ;) |
| 10:02.06 | czr | I use 'active' for that :-) |
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| 10:02.17 | czr | not 'my bugs' |
| 10:02.50 | czr | although I didn't add that to active. it was too trivial |
| 10:03.41 | timeless | ok, bug forwarded |
| 10:03.51 | timeless | i wonder if the people i sent it to use bugs.maemo |
| 10:03.56 | timeless | if they do, i could cc them :) |
| 10:04.09 | timeless | nope, they don't :( |
| 10:04.26 | czr | I should get a t-shirt that reads "yes, I'm the guy who bugs you all the time on bugs.maemo". Then I could wear that whenever I'm over at ruoholahti. |
| 10:04.52 | czr | although I have the distinct feeling that people eye me with an evil eye as it is |
| 10:06.34 | timeless | heh |
| 10:06.45 | timeless | ok, i'm off to haunt some people |
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| 10:07.55 | czr | elb, the same bug actually affects any program that uses LibOSSO too :-) |
| 10:08.12 | czr | elb, since libosso will try to open a connection to the session bus as soon as osso_initialize is used. |
| 10:08.20 | czr | so, all libosso programs will core. |
| 10:13.00 | pupnik_ | i like the t-shirt "I read your email" |
| 10:13.48 | czr | I had the bumper sticker on my old laptop |
| 10:14.02 | czr | oddly enough, only one course participant ever chuckled because of it |
| 10:14.15 | czr | maybe the rest assumed that I really read their email /me shugs |
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| 10:14.35 | pupnik_ | I wore a 'hacking for jesus' t-shirt to rehearsals of Handel's messiah and got some strange questions about it |
| 10:14.41 | czr | heh |
| 10:16.56 | pupnik_ | http://www.phonelosers.org/images/order_shirt_lod_iwt03.jpg |
| 10:17.25 | czr | hmm. I caused the bash of sbox to segfault |
| 10:17.37 | czr | or rather, /scratchbox/login |
| 10:17.38 | timeless | been there done that |
| 10:17.43 | czr | in X86? |
| 10:17.54 | timeless | it wasn't my sbox :) |
| 10:18.28 | timeless | heh |
| 10:18.34 | timeless | s/will break/breaks/ :( |
| 10:18.48 | czr | true :-) |
| 10:19.02 | timeless | /bin/true crashed, it's a symlink to scrathbox :) |
| 10:19.15 | czr | heh |
| 10:19.36 | timeless | but seriously, i don't remember what i did to crash it |
| 10:19.58 | czr | I used dbus-send. |
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| 10:43.20 | sujan | HI |
| 10:43.20 | _Monkey | hello, sujan |
| 10:44.18 | sujan | do you know, in nokia N800 how can I give write permission to a read only file |
| 10:44.39 | lardman | chmod +w filename |
| 10:44.58 | lardman | you might be able to click and hold the stylus and get properties? |
| 10:45.23 | sujan | how? |
| 10:45.41 | mariorz | woot got sshfs working |
| 10:45.50 | lardman | do the first one in a terminal, try the second in filemanager |
| 10:46.00 | lardman | either/or |
| 10:47.10 | sujan | in file manager where is /usr/bin |
| 10:47.25 | lardman | you can't access it from filemanager |
| 10:47.25 | sujan | ? |
| 10:47.35 | lardman | why do you want to write to a file in /usr/bin? |
| 10:47.41 | lardman | script? |
| 10:48.03 | sujan | no, just a simple text file |
| 10:48.46 | sujan | containing a integer value... |
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| 10:49.25 | lardman | and it's in /usr/bin? |
| 10:51.47 | czr | sujan, /usr/bin is not meant to store data. man hier please. |
| 10:52.18 | czr | sujan, if you want to store data so that the file manager can access it, the correct place will be /home/user/MyDocs (or just ~/MyDocs if using the shell) |
| 10:53.00 | zs | hi, on my 770 i can put only 50 MB data on memory card, is it normal? (i have 1gb kingston card) |
| 10:53.02 | lardman | with that said, if it's already there, you need to use the terminal to change the properties (but presumably you are already using vi to edit it) |
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| 10:55.49 | sujan | can i write any file in /home/user/MyDocs? |
| 10:59.00 | lardman | yes |
| 10:59.16 | lardman | as long as the permissions are correct |
| 11:00.15 | bedboi | is there any gpe-sudoku user there? |
| 11:00.40 | bedboi | i would need some hint on which icon to use for the "guess" mode |
| 11:01.52 | sujan | actually the problem is i have installed a application which executable is in /usr/bin and this executable will read a integer value from file |
| 11:04.08 | lardman | ok, you can put the file anywhere |
| 11:04.25 | lardman | but not usually in /usr/bin |
| 11:05.31 | Jaffa | sujan: is it just reading the value? Should the user be able to change it? |
| 11:05.44 | Jaffa | If the answer to both is "no", it should probably go in /usr/share/<app>/ |
| 11:05.44 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, Jaffa. |
| 11:05.50 | sujan | yes,user will change it |
| 11:05.53 | Jaffa | _Monkey: shut up |
| 11:05.54 | _Monkey | Jaffa: i'm not following you... |
| 11:06.10 | lardman | sujan: what does the app do with the number? |
| 11:06.57 | lardman | personally I'd create this text file in ~/ |
| 11:07.17 | lardman | then you can quickly open the terminal and edit it with vi without needing to cd anywhere |
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| 11:09.05 | sujan | read the number and draw an image with that scaling factor |
| 11:12.25 | lardman | as I said, stick the text file in you home directory ~/ ( = /home/user/) |
| 11:14.58 | bedboi | oh my god, read this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/11/19/493 |
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| 11:23.01 | lardman | hmm, good to see a Firefox 3 beta is out and MAndriva have yet to make Firefox 2 available for me to install |
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| 12:07.22 | timeless | ukmp? |
| 12:07.22 | _Monkey | hmmm... ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp |
| 12:07.30 | timeless | who works on ukmp? |
| 12:07.57 | X-Fade | timeless: konttori. |
| 12:07.57 | _Monkey | konttori are you still working on UKMP? |
| 12:07.57 | X-Fade | timeless: Works for Nokia too. |
| 12:08.13 | timeless | !seen konttori |
| 12:08.19 | timeless | _monkey seen konttori |
| 12:08.19 | _Monkey | konttori was last seen on #maemo 1 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: damn, is it true that os2008 version of python 2.5 doesn't have glade? [Mon Nov 19 22:29:15 2007] |
| 12:08.41 | timeless | it doesn't install for me on 2008... |
| 12:09.17 | timeless | repositories? |
| 12:09.17 | _Monkey | hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 12:13.28 | timeless | any idea where i can get libgdbm3? |
| 12:15.06 | X-Fade | sdk repository |
| 12:15.07 | _Monkey | somebody said sdk repository was not meant for upgrading |
| 12:15.24 | X-Fade | It should be uploaded to extras.. |
| 12:15.37 | X-Fade | maemo-mapper depends on it too. |
| 12:17.55 | zs | can I upgrade my 770 to the latest OS 2006 under linux? |
| 12:19.20 | lardman | yes |
| 12:19.41 | zs | how? |
| 12:20.16 | lardman | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 12:21.35 | zs | ok i will try it now, thanks |
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| 12:39.02 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 12:49.44 | Jaffa | Can we have our daily "I want my N810" moan yet? |
| 12:51.17 | dpb_ | I want my N810~ |
| 12:51.21 | dpb_ | Happy now? |
| 12:53.12 | Jaffa | Much. Don't need a new toy now :) |
| 12:54.35 | lardman | I still do though! |
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| 12:55.22 | Tak | you're not missing anything - FF3b1 went nuts on me yesterday and ate all my ram |
| 12:55.47 | lardman | FF3b1? |
| 12:55.56 | lardman | Come on _Monkey! |
| 12:56.34 | Tak | FF3b1 is Firefox3 beta1 |
| 12:57.00 | lardman | ah, well I've still got v1.x |
| 12:57.04 | Tak | zs: why not 2007he? |
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| 13:09.58 | zs | Tak: i will try it later, now i have a problem with my 770, i can transfer only 50MB, if more transfer slown down to 0 kbps |
| 13:10.51 | Tak | how are you transferring? |
| 13:11.10 | zs | via usb cable |
| 13:13.23 | Tak | hmm - does it eventually start up again? |
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| 13:13.37 | zs | i have tried with 2 memory cards and problem is the same |
| 13:14.04 | zs | no it doesn't, if i unplug device there is no file on memory card |
| 13:14.22 | Tak | heh - are you unmounting it before you're unplugging it? |
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| 13:14.49 | zs | no |
| 13:15.08 | Tak | then it won't show up for sure |
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| 13:18.05 | zs | what i am doing is, i copy some files, if i put less than 50 MB on memory files i can use them, but if i put more data than 50 MB there are only few files |
| 13:18.39 | zs | i can only put 50 MB on my 1GB card |
| 13:18.43 | zs | :/ |
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| 13:25.27 | lardman | try fsck'ing the card |
| 13:26.30 | zs | i have got this same problem with other card |
| 13:27.45 | Tak | hmm - I used to have problems with copies failing if I tried to dump data to the card too fast over usb, but those wouldn't hang, they'd just fail |
| 13:30.40 | lardman | zs: what machine is this? |
| 13:30.56 | zs | 770 |
| 13:31.26 | lardman | I wonder if it suffers from the same problem the n800 did - and that the last FIASCO image was released for? |
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| 13:37.22 | bedboi | guys i have problems installing python2.5-runtime on os2008 |
| 13:37.30 | bedboi | is it a known issue? |
| 13:37.50 | Tak | lardman: the sd card thing, or the wifi driver thing? |
| 13:39.02 | X-Fade | bedboi: Add the sdk repository.. |
| 13:39.16 | bedboi | sdk? |
| 13:39.16 | _Monkey | i guess sdk is not complete yet, anyway |
| 13:39.23 | bedboi | stupid monkey |
| 13:42.38 | bedboi | X-Fade: you mean: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 13:43.48 | bedboi | X-Fade: thanks, it's working |
| 13:43.54 | lardman | Tak: SD card thing |
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| 13:45.44 | alterego | It's being one of those loooong days |
| 13:48.29 | L0cutus | lol |
| 13:49.50 | czr | alterego, hey ruby-fella |
| 13:50.34 | alterego | :P |
| 13:50.46 | alterego | Unfortunately I have to complete this work. |
| 13:50.52 | alterego | Otherwise I don't get any money :P |
| 13:51.16 | GNUton | Hi! |
| 13:51.26 | czr | alterego, me too! |
| 13:51.41 | alterego | ;) |
| 13:51.41 | czr | although I might not get any money anyway, but who cares.. |
| 13:51.46 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:51.48 | alterego | That sucks. |
| 13:51.50 | GNUton | i'm tring to create a package for chinook |
| 13:52.04 | bedboi | GNUton: good for you |
| 13:52.05 | bedboi | :P |
| 13:52.34 | GNUton | but i need flex and libglu1-mesa-dev packages... |
| 13:53.36 | truls | mesa on n810? ouch |
| 13:54.17 | GNUton | truls: i'm new.. and i don't have a tablet yet.. so i don't know the hardware yet! |
| 13:54.35 | GNUton | yet yet! :/ |
| 13:54.42 | alterego | yup yup |
| 13:54.45 | truls | there is no usable 3d hardware |
| 13:54.50 | alterego | I think it's almost time for me to take a break. |
| 13:55.46 | czr | alterego, me too. I'm thinking food actually |
| 13:56.14 | alterego | Yeah, might finish that spag bol from last night. |
| 13:56.51 | GNUton | truls: thank you! |
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| 14:01.08 | truls | GNUton: anytime |
| 14:02.17 | L0cutus | anyone is using mediaserv + videocenter ? |
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| 14:02.29 | L0cutus | i need to know how to add mi server to videocenter |
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| 14:11.31 | GNUton | truls: :) |
| 14:12.42 | Jaffa | L0cutus: 'lo |
| 14:12.51 | L0cutus | lol |
| 14:13.19 | L0cutus | good to know :) |
| 14:13.27 | elb | czr: hmmm, that's unfortunate |
| 14:13.31 | Jaffa | L0cutus: if nothing else, you can tap & hold on the RSS icon in the folder view in mediaserv, select "Copy link location" and paste that into mediaserv. See the demo video on http://mediaserv.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html which does exactly that |
| 14:13.36 | czr | elb, yup |
| 14:13.48 | czr | elb, esp since the error missage is somewhat misleading |
| 14:13.51 | L0cutus | ha, ok, thanks, i try :) |
| 14:14.02 | Jaffa | L0cutus: alternatively, you *should* just be able to tap on the video center icon alongside the RSS one and it'll do it all automagically. |
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| 14:17.15 | L0cutus | i've try the second one |
| 14:17.41 | L0cutus | videocenter is now open and it is adding the source |
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| 14:19.43 | bedboi | is there a way let maemo framework aware of USB network connection? |
| 14:20.11 | bedboi | the problem is that when you set up a USB network connection i just can use internet from the commandline |
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| 14:40.01 | L0cutus | Jaffa: videocenter rss are buggy :) |
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| 14:52.17 | _berto_ | dudes, vagalume 0.3 is out -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2007/11/21/vagalume-03-now-with-some-images-too/ |
| 14:52.20 | _berto_ | :) |
| 14:54.00 | Jaffa | L0cutus: define "buggy" (and check the README for known problems) |
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| 14:55.54 | X-Fade | _berto_: Now with icon too ;) |
| 14:56.01 | _berto_ | :) |
| 14:56.23 | _berto_ | yes, all the UI stuff was done in these last two days |
| 14:56.28 | _berto_ | so it'll probably change |
| 14:56.32 | _berto_ | but at least we have something |
| 14:56.41 | X-Fade | Yeah, nice to see album art too. |
| 14:56.55 | X-Fade | And easy access to love and ban. |
| 15:00.10 | Andy80 | _berto_: I'll test it in few minutes!!! :) |
| 15:00.17 | _berto_ | thanks! :) |
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| 15:00.32 | _berto_ | if someone tests it in the 770 I'd appreciate feedback |
| 15:00.59 | _berto_ | (it should work too but I haven't tested it) |
| 15:01.37 | Andy80 | I've N770 but I use 2007 HE :\ |
| 15:01.57 | _berto_ | so you use the bora version, don't you? |
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| 15:02.19 | Andy80 | yes, I use the same N800 version |
| 15:02.35 | solmumaha | _berto_: i can test with 2006 like always |
| 15:02.40 | Andy80 | p.s: congratulation for the improvements :) I'm looking at the screenshots! |
| 15:02.47 | solmumaha | looks nice btw |
| 15:03.32 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:03.33 | _berto_ | thanks |
| 15:03.43 | _berto_ | let's hope it doesn't break |
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| 15:04.18 | _berto_ | I changed several things in the gstreamer part, but it seems stable |
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| 15:05.41 | L0cutus | Jaffa: videocenter show only 13 video out of about 50 files |
| 15:06.47 | L0cutus | and show also some files that are on subdirs not only on the root dir |
| 15:07.08 | L0cutus | (dunno if this is correct) |
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| 15:11.06 | solmumaha | _berto_: no images on buttons |
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| 15:11.47 | _berto_ | solmumaha: no ?? |
| 15:12.12 | solmumaha | it works normally |
| 15:12.35 | solmumaha | i don't see images |
| 15:12.37 | _berto_ | no images? strange, can you run it from an xterm ? |
| 15:12.48 | solmumaha | sure |
| 15:13.01 | _berto_ | I'm loading them with gdkpixbufloader, maybe that version doesn't support png files ... :? |
| 15:13.31 | solmumaha | ah, prolly a theme thing |
| 15:14.13 | _berto_ | I don't think so, they're not stock buttons, I'm loading the images from files included in the package |
| 15:16.24 | _matthias_ | are there any news out there regarding the n810 availability in europe? |
| 15:16.52 | kulve | no |
| 15:16.59 | _matthias_ | damn ! |
| 15:17.06 | kulve | yep |
| 15:17.09 | _matthias_ | will call nokia.at tomorrow |
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| 15:17.38 | Andy80 | _berto_: I just added the repository to catalog, so it will be easier for me to update |
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| 15:19.32 | _berto_ | Andy80: there's a .install file in my page and in maemo.org/downloads :) |
| 15:19.58 | _berto_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vagalume/ |
| 15:20.15 | Andy80 | _berto_: just installed on os2007 HE. I can see buttons images, but it loose my settings... nothing important eh :P |
| 15:20.58 | _berto_ | wtf, settings are stored in the same file, I haven't changed that at all |
| 15:21.01 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:21.22 | X-Fade | _berto_: Settings don't survive a backup and restore.. |
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| 15:21.54 | X-Fade | _berto_: I think you need to give the system a notice to also backup your settings.. |
| 15:21.56 | _berto_ | ah, so you upgraded from 2006 to 2007HE |
| 15:22.06 | Andy80 | _berto_: I can assure you :) it loose them :) |
| 15:22.24 | Andy80 | anyway it works fine! :) |
| 15:22.29 | solmumaha | _berto_: http://pastebin.com/db85dde7 |
| 15:22.31 | joshin | Does anyone know of a full screen clock maemo application? I want to be able to use my 770 (running 2006 or hacker edition) as a clock rado. |
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| 15:23.11 | _berto_ | yes, seems a theme thing, strange... |
| 15:23.11 | alterego | joshin, I don't know of one but it'd be easy to write one :) |
| 15:23.32 | Andy80 | _berto_: another very little bug: when you let mark a song as "loved" or "hated" you should disable the relative button until the next song.... I think... |
| 15:23.47 | _berto_ | Andy80: yes, and the same with the download button |
| 15:24.00 | _berto_ | actually you cannot ban a song twice because a ban implies a skip |
| 15:24.18 | _berto_ | but you could love it and then ban it, in that case the love setting would have no effect |
| 15:24.28 | _berto_ | but yeah, you're reight |
| 15:24.30 | _berto_ | *right |
| 15:24.56 | X-Fade | _berto_: Info about backup: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#backup |
| 15:25.02 | _berto_ | X-Fade: thanks |
| 15:25.40 | Andy80 | _berto_: the download button is always disabled here... it's a my problem or a vagalume problem? maybe I've not the permission to download the song? |
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| 15:25.57 | _berto_ | Andy80: it only works with free tracks |
| 15:26.18 | _berto_ | most of the tracks cannot be downloaded, but I put a couple of free tracks in my blog entry |
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| 15:26.33 | Andy80 | ok :) |
| 15:26.39 | X-Fade | Andy80: Otherwise it would be illegal ;) |
| 15:27.11 | _berto_ | X-Fade: I'd like to know about that, really |
| 15:27.24 | _berto_ | is it really illegal to save a stream that you're listening to? |
| 15:27.36 | derf | Everything is illegal. |
| 15:27.42 | X-Fade | _berto_: Rights are payed by last.fm for streaming. |
| 15:27.44 | zoran | breathing also |
| 15:27.59 | _berto_ | X-Fade: that's what I supposed, yeah |
| 15:28.11 | X-Fade | _berto_: If people can download, you have to pay download fee. |
| 15:28.27 | _berto_ | well, I have to work a bit now, see you later |
| 15:28.30 | X-Fade | _berto_: And that requires contracts with all labels.. |
| 15:28.41 | derf | I've heard arguments advanced that copying things from one place in RAM to another is illegal. |
| 15:28.41 | Andy80 | _berto_: I've an idea about that... I'll tell you later :) |
| 15:29.00 | _berto_ | beware, walls have ears :) |
| 15:30.01 | joshin | alterego: Yeah, but I figured I'd ask here first. |
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| 15:30.26 | _berto_ | Andy80: I thought about it too, but I cannot write private messages, I'll have to register my nick |
| 15:30.29 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:30.50 | _berto_ | well, I'm busy now, really, see you later |
| 15:30.54 | Andy80 | ok, the important you received the idea :) |
| 15:30.59 | Andy80 | ok, see ya ;) |
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| 15:33.09 | penguinbait | can anyone tell me the purpose of docpurge? how stupid |
| 15:33.24 | lardman | reduce size of .debs? |
| 15:33.57 | penguinbait | if you delete the docs before making the deb, then you dont need docpurge? |
| 15:34.18 | penguinbait | real hackers dont read docs |
| 15:34.20 | penguinbait | bah |
| 15:34.25 | penguinbait | they read all the docs |
| 15:34.57 | lardman | if you delete them before hand then dpkg-buildpackage chokes |
| 15:35.11 | alterego | Sure, but there generally aren't many docs to read O_O |
| 15:35.29 | lardman | Surely docs are just there for padding |
| 15:35.43 | lardman | to make your .deb look bigger and therefore like it's more important? |
| 15:35.47 | penguinbait | cups sits in /usr/share/docs |
| 15:36.11 | penguinbait | if I do not remove docpurge, it eats cups |
| 15:36.31 | lardman | what the cups binaries sit in /usr/share/docs? |
| 15:36.39 | penguinbait | the website |
| 15:36.39 | _Monkey | i think the website is back again |
| 15:36.48 | lardman | ah right |
| 15:37.12 | penguinbait | its crap I tell you |
| 15:37.26 | penguinbait | if you could only hear my bad scottish accent |
| 15:37.59 | lardman | shouldn't those files in under share anyway rather than docs |
| 15:38.45 | zoran | docs have some meaning for packet manager |
| 15:38.54 | penguinbait | usr/share/docs/cups is default, I could probably change it |
| 15:39.09 | penguinbait | I had it in /usr/local but had some odd problems |
| 15:39.22 | zoran | nokia or desktop? |
| 15:39.40 | Jaffa | joshin: there's mClock - but I've not tried it (just seen screenshots) |
| 15:39.56 | joshin | Jaffa: Thanks, just found it. |
| 15:40.01 | penguinbait | finally mplayer for 2008 |
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| 15:40.11 | penguinbait | zoran, what? |
| 15:40.12 | pygi | hello |
| 15:40.35 | zoran | penguinbait, what device makes you a prob with /usr/local dir ? |
| 15:40.52 | zoran | it is normal place to put installed apps |
| 15:41.10 | penguinbait | when I compiled cups, and had its home in /usr/local on Nokia tablet, it had trouble finding all its parts |
| 15:41.13 | lardman | it's not in $PATH on the Nokia machines though |
| 15:41.32 | penguinbait | It is if you install KDE :) |
| 15:41.48 | pygi | anyone actually installed kde on N800 ? :P |
| 15:42.00 | penguinbait | I did |
| 15:42.01 | lardman | lol, overkill methinks |
| 15:42.01 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 15:42.09 | pygi | funny :D |
| 15:42.18 | pygi | well, we'll see what evil I'll do when n810 comes :) |
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| 15:42.27 | truls | anyone know a os2007 program using both python and compiled C? wouldn't mind an example setup.py to look at |
| 15:42.33 | penguinbait | Cant wait to get n810 in hand |
| 15:42.54 | pygi | penguinbait: I never had a chance to play with earlier versions, so imagine me :) |
| 15:43.23 | penguinbait | 2008OS version is running good, with KDE PIM and Koffice |
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| 15:43.35 | penguinbait | Can wait to run on n810 with built in keyboard |
| 15:43.36 | pygi | Koffice? Interesting xd |
| 15:43.40 | zoran | is it worth having kde for jsut that? |
| 15:44.30 | alterego | Pfft. |
| 15:44.32 | penguinbait | I use Konqueror all the time, I can browse remote samba or use fish to browse linux systems |
| 15:44.42 | lardman | hmm, just watched Canola video, it does look very nice, I wonder if it's all pre-cached? |
| 15:45.26 | pygi | well, I also have to play with Mamona ... Enlightment DE :) |
| 15:45.46 | lardman | I'm going to try Mamona tonight to build an image |
| 15:46.09 | pygi | nice, poke with experiences :) |
| 15:46.32 | lardman | mine will be bad as I'm trying to use OABI and old GCC :) |
| 15:46.42 | pygi | :P |
| 15:46.58 | pygi | also gotta port a CLI IM client based on telepathy :D |
| 15:47.02 | pygi | that'll be funny :p |
| 15:47.11 | lardman | why CLI? |
| 15:47.19 | pygi | why not? :) |
| 15:47.27 | lardman | is that the name? |
| 15:47.34 | pygi | nop, name is FamaIM |
| 15:47.39 | pygi | lardman: http://fama-im.org |
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| 15:48.00 | lardman | oh, Nokia support telepathy don't they, I've no idea what it does or what they use it for though |
| 15:48.18 | pygi | communication :) |
| 15:48.38 | penguinbait | if they supported telepathy, they would not have added the keyboard on the n810 |
| 15:48.40 | penguinbait | :) |
| 15:48.54 | lardman | all over my head, no idea what it does |
| 15:49.24 | pygi | penguinbait: it's still not in a usable-state for everyone ... it doesnt support everyone's brain waves, so they included it as a backup |
| 15:49.44 | pygi | lardman, just read http://fama-im.org :) |
| 15:49.57 | penguinbait | ah |
| 15:50.00 | zoran | pygi, manual looks fine enough |
| 15:50.22 | penguinbait | many humans dont contain the hardware, or useable software :( |
| 15:50.31 | pygi | zoran: :) |
| 15:50.50 | zoran | pygi, ncurses and just like irssi |
| 15:51.08 | pygi | zoran: not as mature as irssi, but ... :) |
| 15:51.09 | lardman | yet another IM program |
| 15:51.23 | pygi | lardman, not true |
| 15:51.29 | lardman | why not? |
| 15:51.31 | pygi | world's first and only CLI IM app based on telepathy :) |
| 15:52.10 | lardman | :) |
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| 15:53.15 | zoran | I thought only win users like im :) |
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| 15:54.30 | pygi | have any other way of communication except mail? :P |
| 15:54.43 | zoran | irc |
| 15:54.43 | Robot101 | lardman: telepathy is the cure to "yet another IM program" syndrome |
| 15:54.56 | Robot101 | lardman: people can write different UIs and backends and they can all talk to each other |
| 15:55.01 | lardman | Robot101: well that's an admirable idea |
| 15:55.10 | Robot101 | it's not an idea, it's a reality |
| 15:55.13 | pygi | zoran: fine, remove irc as well :) |
| 15:55.18 | lardman | concept then |
| 15:55.31 | Robot101 | the UIs on the N800 can do IRC, SIP, MSN, AIM, Yahoo, whatever, when you install the appropriate backends |
| 15:55.46 | lopz | hola |
| 15:55.46 | _Monkey | que tal, lopz |
| 15:55.52 | Robot101 | we're gonna put some packages out for OS2008 |
| 15:56.04 | Robot101 | link-local messaging too, see people on your LAN.. |
| 15:56.06 | lardman | ah, so the inbuilt Jabber functionality could be extended to do MSN with the right backend> |
| 15:56.07 | lardman | ? |
| 15:56.22 | lardman | Link-local like Bonjour/iChat? |
| 15:56.25 | Robot101 | right |
| 15:56.31 | lardman | cool |
| 15:56.37 | Robot101 | lardman: yes, the inbuilt functionality is based on Telepathy, so you can put in any telepathy protocol backend if you write a little configuration UI |
| 15:56.49 | lardman | That sounds quite good then |
| 15:57.01 | pygi | haze would probably work fine for a generic support of all that protocols :) |
| 15:57.36 | Robot101 | well, salut is better than libpurple's bonjour impl |
| 15:57.37 | sKaBoy | Robot101, do you know if it's possible to write that UI? I've tried last w-end but i've not found headers or source of osso-accounts.. i've sent a mail to maemo-dev but no reply yet :/ |
| 15:58.02 | Robot101 | sKaBoy: there are some older headers in rtcomm.garage.maemo.org repo |
| 15:58.11 | pygi | Robot101: that's true |
| 15:58.21 | Robot101 | sKaBoy: but they should be in chinook, something is screwed up |
| 15:58.40 | Robot101 | I hope more binary stuff to put on top of chinook will release when OS2008 is publically released |
| 15:58.43 | Robot101 | maybe... |
| 15:59.13 | sKaBoy | Robot101, i've not found them on chinook.. i'm waiting for the official image to see.. let's hope :) |
| 15:59.49 | penguinbait | anyone else think ITT's new front page is a memory sucking waste of code? |
| 15:59.59 | lardman | +1 |
| 16:00.21 | penguinbait | If I can't go there on my tablet, its not much use to me anymore |
| 16:00.25 | Robot101 | sKaBoy: what were you working on? |
| 16:00.37 | lardman | but I use firefox on the pc so what's a little bit of extra sucked memory hey? |
| 16:01.08 | lardman | penguinbait: true, it's not all that friendly for the tablets |
| 16:01.12 | penguinbait | My pc works fine, Konq and microb on 2008 not so well |
| 16:01.23 | sKaBoy | Robot101, the "leaked" os2008 for n810 (installed on a n800..) and chinook rep. Compiled telepahy backend for msn w/o problems but i don't see it in the UI.. i think because i need to add the osso-accounts thing |
| 16:01.27 | zoran | penguinbait, cannot tell since I don't load pictures :) |
| 16:01.44 | penguinbait | I dont think its all the pics |
| 16:01.48 | penguinbait | maybe it is |
| 16:01.49 | pygi | sKaBoy: telepathy-butterfly or? |
| 16:02.17 | penguinbait | Load in 2008 OS, then try to zoom to 120% |
| 16:02.24 | sKaBoy | uhm not, i tried with irc... telepathy-idle sorry :) |
| 16:02.25 | penguinbait | mine chokes a bit |
| 16:02.57 | pygi | sKaBoy: irc is a special story ... telepathy implementation must support rooms |
| 16:03.07 | pygi | (it probably does there, but just as a notice :P) |
| 16:03.39 | sKaBoy | pygi, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-November/012830.html |
| 16:03.40 | Robot101 | idle does support rooms, yes |
| 16:03.54 | pygi | Robot101: I meant the client :) |
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| 16:05.58 | pygi | sKaBoy: just read it, thanks ;) |
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| 16:08.21 | fysa | putzing around with zoom at 120% all the time is kind of silly and looks like crap.. Opera with a minimum font of 15 and standard zoom was perfect. |
| 16:08.35 | Robot101 | pygi: eh, it does support rooms. |
| 16:08.41 | Robot101 | pygi: it doesn't support anonymous rooms |
| 16:08.54 | pygi | Robot101: got it =) |
| 16:13.21 | maddler | 5Dp |
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| 17:15.48 | K`zan | Be careful out there :-) - http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/11/20/wi-fi-causing-autism/ |
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| 17:20.23 | GNUton | Hi |
| 17:20.23 | _Monkey | hey, GNUton |
| 17:20.51 | GNUton | i'm trying to compile a debian package in scratchbox, but the compilation abort with a linker error.. cannot find -lz |
| 17:21.24 | GNUton | but i've got zlib installed! |
| 17:21.40 | timeless | but did you add link paths? |
| 17:21.40 | GNUton | hey _Monkey! :) |
| 17:21.45 | b0unc3 | GNUton: tru to run ldconfig |
| 17:21.48 | timeless | don't feed the bots |
| 17:21.48 | b0unc3 | try* |
| 17:22.53 | GNUton | timeless: yes, i think i've added this line export LD_LIBRARY_PATH := $(QTDIR)/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH):/usr/lib/ in my rules |
| 17:24.00 | timeless | eww, qt? |
| 17:24.00 | GNUton | timeless: yes |
| 17:24.00 | GNUton | i'm trying to compile qt4 |
| 17:24.00 | GNUton | the deb package is done.. |
| 17:24.00 | Tak | GNUton: penguinbait is the person to whom to talk |
| 17:24.00 | GNUton | penguinbait: ping |
| 17:24.08 | GNUton | Tak: ok, thank you! :) |
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| 17:35.10 | timeless | anyone here speak italian/french? |
| 17:35.43 | GNUton | timeless: i'm italian! |
| 17:35.54 | timeless | you have os2008? |
| 17:36.06 | bedboi | i'm an italian living in paris :) |
| 17:36.26 | timeless | (os2008, or microb, doesn't really matter) |
| 17:36.43 | timeless | you need to be running italian/french(france) locales to help |
| 17:37.44 | X-Fade | timeless: Can you poke the image background scaling bug a bit? |
| 17:38.27 | shackan | bedboi: you're not in new mexico anymore? :) |
| 17:39.36 | L0cutus | GNUton: idem :) |
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| 17:42.51 | Thana64 | where idownload the last firmware to upgrade ? (chinook?) |
| 17:43.23 | GNUro | timeless: i'm italian. |
| 17:45.12 | L0cutus | this is an Italian channel ! :) |
| 17:45.29 | GNUro | L0cutus: are u italian? |
| 17:45.43 | GNUro | eheh :) |
| 17:46.10 | L0cutus | si |
| 17:46.24 | GNUro | creare un canale #maemo-it? no?? :P |
| 17:46.43 | Tak | why split the channel? |
| 17:46.52 | L0cutus | i've already done it on azzurr@ :) |
| 17:47.09 | GNUro | Tak: no... :) |
| 17:47.29 | Tak | if you start that, the nokians will create #maemo-fi and all go there and talk amongst themselves in incomprehensible troll-language |
| 17:47.39 | L0cutus | hehehe |
| 17:47.41 | GNUro | ahah :) |
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| 17:48.26 | murrayc_ | There aren't many Fins at Nokia. |
| 17:48.27 | bedboi | shackan: nope. |
| 17:48.29 | bedboi | shackan: i'm quite a globe trotter |
| 17:48.33 | bedboi | shackan: btw, i'm really eager to come back to italy. |
| 17:49.07 | shackan | bedboi: you're kidding, right? |
| 17:49.08 | Thana64 | is mamona usable ? |
| 17:49.23 | bedboi | shackan: nope. i miss the good food |
| 17:49.32 | bedboi | italy is still there just for food. |
| 17:49.44 | L0cutus | bedboi: 1/2 of Italian want to go OUT of Italy.. |
| 17:50.02 | shackan | L0cutus: I'd say even more than that |
| 17:50.04 | bedboi | i'm in that 50%, but then you miss the food |
| 17:50.15 | L0cutus | yes i know :) |
| 17:50.20 | shackan | food? |
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| 17:50.21 | _Monkey | food is even cheaper in Japan actually ;-) |
| 17:50.35 | Syntra | Hey Guys |
| 17:50.52 | Syntra | Just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard |
| 17:51.26 | Syntra | Has anybody else used one? Cause I'm a little confused. |
| 17:52.05 | shackan | it's a keyboard, it (supposedly) has keys, what's to be confused from? |
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| 17:52.21 | L0cutus | bt keyboard doesn't work well on n800 while connected via bt phone to internet unfortunately |
| 17:52.37 | mgedmin | I want one, I think |
| 17:52.41 | Thana64 | what is hte last system ? i have tried to install minibro and it requeres the system updated, (chinook ? finished/usable ?) |
| 17:53.10 | Syntra | I'm not exactly sure what to do |
| 17:53.51 | Syntra | Attempting to Pair it to the N800 gives me like 2 minutes of "Pairing" then a failed message |
| 17:54.00 | mgedmin | hm |
| 17:54.26 | mgedmin | usually you have to indicate the wish to pair on both devices at more or less the same time |
| 17:54.51 | mgedmin | and then type the same PIN on both (unless one of the devices has a hardcoded PIN) |
| 17:55.20 | Syntra | Do you know how I would tell it I want to pair on my Keyboard? |
| 17:55.27 | Syntra | Cause its quite obvious on my N800 |
| 17:55.49 | mgedmin | I've never seen an Apple Wireless keyboard up close |
| 17:56.02 | mgedmin | isn't there some small button on the other side, e.g.? |
| 17:56.30 | Syntra | Theres a power button, but thats it |
| 17:56.47 | mgedmin | is there a manual? |
| 17:57.25 | Syntra | Yeah, it says to "follow the onscreen instructions" |
| 17:58.02 | Syntra | After inserting the CD, that is |
| 17:58.24 | mgedmin | heh |
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| 17:59.14 | oob | good morning |
| 17:59.25 | alterego | Well .. Doesn't look like I'll be getting an N810 before this weekend then :/ |
| 17:59.53 | elb | yeah |
| 17:59.58 | elb | sucks |
| 18:00.05 | mgedmin | this post implies that people did get the apple wireless keyboard to work with a N800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86612 |
| 18:00.11 | alterego | Sucks because I'm going camping this weekend. |
| 18:00.20 | Syntra | Yeah, I know that it works |
| 18:00.24 | Syntra | Which is why I bought it |
| 18:00.25 | alterego | The GPS would have been cool to play with. |
| 18:01.05 | alterego | Not to mention, writing Ruby-Maemo apps on the top of a mountain sounds kind of fun. |
| 18:02.08 | guardian | is tomboy available for maemo ? |
| 18:02.35 | alterego | No, we have maemo mapper. |
| 18:02.41 | alterego | It's better. |
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| 18:06.09 | elb | how are tomboy and maemo mapper related? |
| 18:06.37 | elb | tomboy is a wiki-like notetaking system, maemo mapper is mapping software |
| 18:06.40 | mgedmin | Syntra: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=89663&postcount=32 |
| 18:07.01 | alterego | Oh, I thought he meant the GPS software. |
| 18:07.02 | Syntra | I will read that |
| 18:07.13 | alterego | Tomboy .. |
| 18:07.20 | alterego | Oh, is that the wiki like note taking program? |
| 18:07.32 | elb | I just said that, word for word, yes |
| 18:07.46 | Syntra | OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 18:07.50 | Syntra | I have to press buttons on it! |
| 18:07.58 | Syntra | OK then, I think I can get it working. |
| 18:08.07 | alterego | That might explain why I've heard of it, |
| 18:08.18 | elb | what GPS program did you think it was related to? |
| 18:08.28 | alterego | What? |
| 18:08.34 | elb | because if you were thinking of the commercial tomtom software, maemo mapper doesn't even compare |
| 18:08.46 | alterego | Sure it does. |
| 18:09.00 | elb | calculating and fetching routes before you leave does not compare to built-in mapping with on-the-fly route calculation ;-) |
| 18:09.00 | alterego | I can't modify tomtom software. |
| 18:09.25 | alterego | You need a computer to calculate your routes? :P |
| 18:09.26 | elb | no, I mean, they're not comparable as in they don't do at all the same thing |
| 18:09.41 | alterego | The Nokia app does that stuff. |
| 18:09.45 | elb | I guess you don't drive in strange places, much |
| 18:09.52 | alterego | Unfortunately after deleting it I can't reinstall it without reflashing my tablet. |
| 18:10.12 | alterego | No, I'm just used to working out my own routes. |
| 18:10.12 | elb | yes, one could compare a commercial GPS unit with the Nokia GPS software, that would be reasonable |
| 18:10.17 | Syntra | mgedmin: Thanks a TON For that post! |
| 18:10.22 | Syntra | Got it working 100% now! |
| 18:10.34 | elb | working out your own routes in a strange city means stopping and consulting the map, or having a co-pilot |
| 18:11.00 | elb | at least, that level of map consultation while moving is irresponsible and dangerous, many people *do* attempt it |
| 18:11.28 | alterego | City navigation is different I guess. |
| 18:11.34 | elb | I've been known to employ the "point my vehicle in approximately the right direction until I'm close" method of navigation, but it is fraught with its own perils |
| 18:12.13 | alterego | Meh, taxi drivers are better for city navigation :P |
| 18:12.22 | elb | sure, if you're on the highway with exits coming no more rapidly than every few minutes and a destination that's a thousand miles away, calculating your own routes is trivial! |
| 18:12.33 | Robot101 | elb: the worst time I ever had /with/ a GPS was when it took me into the centre of london and started crashing whenever I did and/or it thought I'd deviated from the route, and OOM'd when it was trying to calculate a new one |
| 18:12.45 | Robot101 | go Series 60 map software :( |
| 18:12.47 | elb | Robot101: hah nice |
| 18:13.17 | Robot101 | and when you have 5 lane roads and you're in the wrong lane, and then it crashes and you're going a totally different way, you're screwed |
| 18:13.30 | Robot101 | I had to drive off into random side streets and reload the program |
| 18:13.34 | Robot101 | totally lame |
| 18:13.44 | elb | anyway, the point is, comparing maemo mapper to a commercial gps unit's navigation software is disingenuous |
| 18:14.18 | elb | and comparing it to a note-taking package is nonsensical ;-) |
| 18:14.40 | alterego | Oh, so you had a point. |
| 18:14.55 | elb | I made it earlier, and you pooh-poohed it |
| 18:15.06 | elb | (six minutes ago) |
| 18:15.09 | alterego | I think the point is. I made the mistake of thinking that tomboy was GPS software. |
| 18:15.28 | alterego | I'd completely forgot it, I played with it a little a few years ago. |
| 18:15.56 | alterego | And regardless. I don't care about route finding software. |
| 18:16.04 | alterego | It's much more interesting to me to just know where I am. |
| 18:16.22 | elb | that's fine, but that doesn't make maemo mapper better than any given piece of software you haven't even identified ;-) |
| 18:16.29 | alterego | Which is what I'd say GPS software is. Whether it's tomtom or whatever. |
| 18:16.54 | elb | I carry a GPS everywhere I go, and it doesn't even *have* street-level maps -- and I find it useful and entertaining nonetheless |
| 18:16.58 | alterego | Well, it's got to be better than any commercial closed source program right? :P |
| 18:17.44 | elb | not necessarily |
| 18:18.07 | alterego | O_o |
| 18:18.18 | elb | it's perfectly possible for a closed-source application to be better than any given open-source application by any metric *except* potential (or the nebulous concept of freedom) |
| 18:18.35 | elb | I've used an awful lot of really crappy open source software ;-) |
| 18:18.43 | alterego | Oh, so you count quality above freedom? |
| 18:19.07 | alterego | I'm not sure there's a single aspect in life that freedom doesn't come paramount. (in my opinion) |
| 18:19.42 | elb | true freedom, I agree |
| 18:19.51 | elb | in terms of software ... software is around to get a job done |
| 18:20.22 | truls | ack, just realized maybe using setup.py/distutils for building my application is useless... |
| 18:20.27 | elb | I happen to agree that there exist very few commercial software packages for which there is not an appropriate open source alternative, which is better both in qualitative and idealogical metrics |
| 18:20.31 | alterego | I'd say the freedom to examine and modify software is an essential function :P |
| 18:20.32 | elb | but such packages *do* exist |
| 18:20.38 | truls | is using configure required when you build stuff? |
| 18:20.48 | truls | to make sure the crosscompling works properly? |
| 18:21.30 | alterego | truls, as long as you use python compiled for your host architecture you should be able to run setup.py files to your hearts content. |
| 18:21.52 | truls | alterego: even if it compiles extensions? |
| 18:22.09 | alterego | I don't know. Python extensions are ugly. |
| 18:22.18 | truls | heh, yeah |
| 18:22.36 | truls | that's what happens when stuff isn't available in the basic repositories |
| 18:22.42 | alterego | I have a similar issue with Ruby, when needing ruby in the build process of some package. There is a chance that it'll break somewhere. |
| 18:22.44 | truls | (in this case a nice blowfish encryption lib) |
| 18:23.01 | elb | setup.py is capable of cross-compilation |
| 18:23.04 | alterego | So I compiled a ruby interpreter for my host system and placed it in a location that is shared across _all_ scratchbox targets. |
| 18:23.10 | truls | elb: ah, thanks! |
| 18:23.15 | elb | I don't know if a particular setup.py has to take special steps to be able to do so |
| 18:23.29 | truls | hm, i'll try and see what happens i guess |
| 18:23.40 | elb | (in the C world, for example, using autoconf doesn't make your package magically able to cross-compile in any but the simplest cases) |
| 18:23.57 | GNUro | bye! |
| 18:23.57 | truls | ok |
| 18:24.00 | alterego | Many people have hit the qemu glibc arm-eabi issue .. |
| 18:24.28 | alterego | I thought that was what he was refering to. |
| 18:25.20 | truls | it's kinda hard following the python_maemo_3.x_howto when you also have extensions to compile.... |
| 18:25.39 | truls | in this case regarding the debian packaging |
| 18:25.54 | truls | "The main point is that the binary-arch target was emptied and the binary-indep filled, since the application being 100% Python means that it is 100% architecture-independent. |
| 18:25.58 | truls | " |
| 18:26.04 | truls | (regarding changing debian/rules) |
| 18:26.22 | truls | i guess it would help if i knew what i was doing |
| 18:26.32 | elb | I often feel that way ;-) |
| 18:26.50 | alterego | Heh |
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| 18:48.03 | truls | hm, svn-buildpackage doesnt work so well in armel... |
| 18:48.22 | realitygaps_ | hi guys, can anyone explain how to get a2dp working in os2008? |
| 18:48.30 | realitygaps_ | or is this the wrong channel |
| 18:50.48 | alterego | If you're looking for an insightful answer. This is definitely the wrong channel ;) |
| 18:51.35 | Tak | truls: so the rules for building the extensions should be under binary-arch, and the pure python stuff should be under binary-indep |
| 18:51.53 | mgedmin | alterego: a bluetooth profile for hi-quality stereo audio, iirc |
| 18:52.14 | alterego | Ah, like handsfree kit thing? |
| 18:52.31 | mgedmin | no, handsfree kits use sco, which is a bluetooth profile for low-quality mono audio |
| 18:52.31 | truls | Tak: ok, playing around with it now |
| 18:52.49 | truls | Tak: just have all rules under both? :) |
| 18:52.50 | alterego | Right, okay. So more like wireless headphones? |
| 18:52.55 | mgedmin | I might be using the word "profile" incorrectly, btw, but these are definitely different protocols/whatevers |
| 18:52.58 | truls | they're just a lot of keywords |
| 18:53.13 | alterego | mgedmin, yeah. They generally call them profiles I think ;) |
| 18:53.18 | mgedmin | wireless headphones, yes |
| 18:54.04 | mgedmin | ... or I might be misremembering; all I remember about the stereo audio protocol is that it starts with an 'a' and has four letters, one of which is a digit |
| 18:54.16 | mgedmin | People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms |
| 18:54.29 | Tak | heh, for my rubygame package, I just put the whole thing under binary-arch |
| 18:54.44 | truls | that's what i'm doing now |
| 18:54.48 | Tak | since it had native extensions |
| 18:54.50 | truls | so if that works, i'm set ;) |
| 18:55.02 | Tak | Works For Me[tm] |
| 18:55.16 | truls | ack, won't show up in the menu... |
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| 18:58.43 | czr | mgedmin, no, it's Pulse Code Modulated Central Intelligence Agency, everybody knows that |
| 18:58.51 | realitygaps_ | mgedmin: yeah its the wireless bluetooth protocol. I heard it can be enabled by playing with /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf but havent had much luck |
| 18:59.09 | mgedmin | realitygaps_: I heard *some* audio players for the n800 have explicit support for it |
| 18:59.18 | mgedmin | which implies that you can't easily redirect all of the n800's audio output to it |
| 18:59.24 | mgedmin | at least, not with the current firmware version |
| 18:59.32 | realitygaps_ | mgedmin: kagu does but theres no backend |
| 18:59.44 | realitygaps_ | and i had kagu working in 2007 but 2008 no go |
| 19:00.09 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 19:00.58 | truls | ack, keep getting almost empty debs |
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| 19:02.55 | truls | which is so strange as the debian/<programname> directory is full of nifty stuff... |
| 19:04.05 | Tak | don't you need a2dpd ? |
| 19:04.39 | realitygaps_ | tak: i dont think so everyone keeps saying it just involves changing /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf |
| 19:04.54 | realitygaps_ | tak: ive found hints all over but no instructions |
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| 19:05.19 | realitygaps_ | oh well i guess i'll live without a2dp for the moment |
| 19:05.56 | czr | it's slightly more obsolete, but bleeps and beeps just as well |
| 19:06.00 | realitygaps_ | r2d2 can stream wirelessly? |
| 19:06.06 | Tak | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RMUG/~3/154350083/bluetooth-headphones-made-easy.html |
| 19:06.14 | czr | realitygaps_, "sure" |
| 19:06.45 | realitygaps_ | czr: does r2 run linux i dont remember noticing? |
| 19:06.58 | realitygaps_ | tak: thanks thats how i got it working on os2007 |
| 19:07.13 | realitygaps_ | tak: was thinking that a2dp is more supported on os2008 |
| 19:07.28 | mgedmin | wait 2008 is the one in n810 |
| 19:07.29 | mgedmin | ? |
| 19:07.33 | mgedmin | gaah, too many numbers |
| 19:07.35 | czr | realitygaps_, everything runs linux. even linus runs linux! |
| 19:07.44 | realitygaps_ | mgedim: yep n810 os |
| 19:08.10 | czr | realitygaps_, it will be released for N800 too though |
| 19:08.24 | realitygaps_ | czr: yep im running it on n800 |
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| 19:08.37 | czr | it's not the same thing if you mean the N810 version |
| 19:10.10 | realitygaps_ | im running the n810 software on the n800, i figured that they are almost the same hardware so there wouldnt be much difference |
| 19:10.27 | mgedmin | "BT headset support" is still on the roadmap, and a3dp is not mentioned |
| 19:10.36 | alterego | a3dp? |
| 19:10.41 | alterego | I thought it was a2dp! |
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| 19:10.49 | mgedmin | typo |
| 19:11.11 | mgedmin | a2dp is not mentioned either |
| 19:11.19 | alterego | ;) |
| 19:11.21 | mgedmin | not even a1dp... |
| 19:11.29 | alterego | Woah, calm down there. |
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| 19:11.52 | realitygaps_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667 was my reference for trying to get it working |
| 19:11.54 | alterego | Now I'm not confused .. Now I'm scared :P |
| 19:11.55 | czr | a2dp = A2-sized paper data-processing, like, when you solve an algorithm on a paper, but using the ISO std size of A2. |
| 19:12.04 | realitygaps_ | :-) |
| 19:12.18 | czr | so a1dp would just be easier, and a5dp the ultimate hell! |
| 19:12.19 | mgedmin | wasn't it A2-sized desktop plotter? |
| 19:12.36 | mgedmin | a6dp being the pocketable version |
| 19:12.36 | czr | why would you want to plot on A2 sized desktops? |
| 19:13.02 | alterego | a6 size dung paper .. |
| 19:13.03 | mgedmin | okay, digital plotter |
| 19:13.08 | mgedmin | for cutting out really large digits |
| 19:13.17 | realitygaps_away | back in a bit, gonna set up scratchbox on the other machine instead of wasting more time on the a2dp |
| 19:13.17 | czr | mgedmin, middle fingers? |
| 19:13.29 | realitygaps_away | thanks for your help guys |
| 19:13.57 | truls | hm, so what steps of dpkg-buildpackage is responsible for moving stuff from ${DESTDIR} and into the final deb? |
| 19:14.05 | truls | anything i can affect in my debian/rules? |
| 19:14.11 | czr | alterego, this is what happens when I wake up in the evening. chaos! |
| 19:14.12 | truls | (by affect i mean mess up) |
| 19:14.26 | Tak | dh_builddeb |
| 19:14.45 | truls | that's there |
| 19:14.52 | truls | final step in binary-arch |
| 19:15.06 | alterego | czr, I've been coding the same website for the past 6 hours straight O_O |
| 19:15.12 | Tak | and you have the arch specified in debian/control ? |
| 19:15.19 | mgedmin | truls: can you pastebin your debian/rules for lazy eyeballing? |
| 19:15.29 | truls | Tak: no :) |
| 19:15.41 | czr | alterego, "coding" and "website" don't mix. unless you're doing it in ruby :-) |
| 19:15.47 | truls | Tak: any |
| 19:15.49 | czr | alterego, I've been sleeping for 4 hours :-) |
| 19:15.57 | alterego | czr, yes, I'm doing it in ruby :P |
| 19:16.06 | czr | alterego, ah, then I forgive you :-) |
| 19:16.11 | truls | mgedmin: sure, let me try changing the arch first |
| 19:16.17 | truls | Tak: what should it be? |
| 19:16.27 | truls | armel? |
| 19:16.27 | _Monkey | hmmm... armel is the new architecture |
| 19:16.36 | truls | heh |
| 19:18.38 | truls | pastebin'd: http://pastebin.com/d13eeefaf |
| 19:18.50 | Tak | any is correct. |
| 19:18.57 | Tak | for an indep package, it would be all |
| 19:19.14 | truls | ok |
| 19:19.58 | mgedmin | hmm... looks ok |
| 19:20.11 | mgedmin | does the package name (yaysafe) match the topmost changelog entry, and also the directory name? |
| 19:20.15 | truls | i must be doing something stupid.... |
| 19:20.20 | Tak | hmm, your debian/rules looks ok to me too |
| 19:20.26 | truls | directory name is yaysafe-0.1.0 |
| 19:20.34 | mgedmin | and debian/changelog? |
| 19:20.40 | truls | yaysafe (0.1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 19:20.49 | mgedmin | okay, I give up |
| 19:20.58 | mgedmin | if you get stuff in debian/yaysafe but not in the .deb |
| 19:21.03 | mgedmin | wait, is there a debian/files? |
| 19:21.05 | truls | maybe my armel dpkg-buildpackage is broken... |
| 19:21.07 | truls | no |
| 19:21.11 | mgedmin | hm |
| 19:21.16 | truls | no dirs either |
| 19:21.21 | truls | maybe that's it |
| 19:21.26 | mgedmin | no, I don't think so |
| 19:21.44 | truls | mgedmin: yeah i get stuff in debian/yaysafe |
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| 19:22.42 | mgedmin | aha! |
| 19:22.44 | truls | i keep getting a 2kb deb-file with just the control info and a 10 line list of contents |
| 19:22.47 | truls | w0t? |
| 19:22.48 | truls | :) |
| 19:22.54 | mgedmin | I think you're missing dh_install in your binary-arch: |
| 19:23.23 | Tak | oh, haha, it's commented out |
| 19:23.33 | truls | didn't change anything... |
| 19:23.38 | mgedmin | I found the clue in the load-applet debian/rules: it installs stuff into $(CURDIR)/debian/build, and then in binary-arch: does dh_install --sourcedir=debian/build -v before dh_builddeb |
| 19:24.18 | mgedmin | or maybe all dh_install does there is copy stuff from debian/build to debian/$pkgname |
| 19:25.12 | mgedmin | what does dh_installdeb do? |
| 19:25.39 | truls | warning, `debian/tmp/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26' |
| 19:25.40 | truls | dpkg-deb: building package `yaysafe' in `../yaysafe_0.1.0-1_armel.deb'. |
| 19:25.40 | truls | dpkg-deb: ignoring 1 warnings about the control file(s) |
| 19:25.45 | truls | that's the only warning... |
| 19:26.02 | truls | but that's supposed to be normal... right? |
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| 19:26.06 | mgedmin | okay, for dh_install you also need a debian/$pkgname.install file |
| 19:26.17 | mgedmin | that lists things like 'usr/share/pixmaps/*' |
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| 19:26.54 | truls | i dont' have one of those... |
| 19:26.57 | Tak | http://pastebin.com/d72fe2437 |
| 19:28.07 | script | damn, are those maemo.org garage.maemo.org accounts _somehow_ synced? |
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| 19:28.22 | mgedmin | the package for less installs stuff into debian/$packagename, doesn't use dh_install, doesn't have debian/*.install, but has a debian/dirs with one entry only ("usr/bin") |
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| 19:30.09 | GNUton | Hi |
| 19:30.38 | script | ... or is this whole midgard-stuff just painfully broken ...? |
| 19:31.05 | truls | Tak: doesnt seem to be any changes in surprising places... |
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| 19:31.28 | chelli | script: i guess its the second one :) |
| 19:31.53 | Tak | script: yes. |
| 19:31.59 | script | great ... |
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| 19:33.54 | guardian | good evening |
| 19:33.56 | script | so is there anyone here feeling responsive for those login-stuff? |
| 19:34.11 | czr | script, probably not right now |
| 19:34.30 | czr | there was a bug in the bugzilla that you could vote. dealing with general maemo.org unreliailibyt |
| 19:34.37 | czr | can't remeber the bug number now though |
| 19:35.00 | script | sound like a good thing to do :) |
| 19:35.03 | script | +s |
| 19:35.20 | konttori | isn't bt headset supported? |
| 19:35.21 | czr | script, you can try finding bergie as well |
| 19:35.27 | konttori | I thought it was. |
| 19:36.02 | bergie | script: we're trying to talk big N over so we could consolidate stuff a bit |
| 19:36.20 | bergie | but now it is a bit of a mess with multiple systems, and so multiple login systems |
| 19:36.29 | script | bergie: ok, thanks |
| 19:36.45 | czr | bergie, I knew I could blame you! :-) |
| 19:36.50 | bergie | maybe shibboleth or something |
| 19:37.06 | script | bergie: but it seems that my "older" account became completly unusable on https://maemo.org |
| 19:37.08 | bergie | the problem is, whatever we choose we also need to get bugzilla and gforge to support |
| 19:37.38 | bergie | accounts are copied to maemo.org from gforge |
| 19:38.00 | bergie | and last weekend gforge (garage) created a completely broken user transport file |
| 19:38.01 | script | chelli: kann dich nicht msgen, bloedes netz ;) |
| 19:38.15 | bergie | so midgard thought almost all accounts had been disabled and acted accordingly :-( |
| 19:38.15 | script | sounds like a lot of fun ;) |
| 19:38.20 | chelli | script: :) |
| 19:38.34 | czr | script, you have to identify yourself to nickserv in order to privmsg on freenode |
| 19:38.34 | script | chelli: dummerweise hab ich das erst 5 minuten später gemerkt ;) |
| 19:38.44 | script | czr: i know ... |
| 19:38.49 | chelli | script: schon ok :) |
| 19:38.57 | czr | script, ok then. |
| 19:38.57 | script | i just don't like registering everywhere and everything ... |
| 19:39.10 | czr | script, join a bogus channel and invite chelli over then |
| 19:39.10 | GNUton | have somebody compiled qt4 for maemo? |
| 19:39.32 | mgedmin | openid is supposed to fix the reregistering problem, only few websites accept it... |
| 19:42.37 | czr | bleh. sbox segfaulted again |
| 19:43.38 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:44.01 | czr | I think there's a race with signal handling or something |
| 19:44.26 | czr | something fishy happens. mostly hit the bug when starting something on the background & with run-standalone or doing ctrl+z & bg |
| 19:44.40 | bergie | mgedmin: openid is a second option if shibboleth can't be made to work. Midgard already supports it |
| 19:44.51 | czr | also, noticed that dbus-monitor at least has an issue with signal handling as well. it can't be broken with ctrl+c |
| 19:48.54 | _berto_ | solmumaha: are you there? |
| 19:49.28 | truls | weird... i can build the package manually using dpkg-deb |
| 19:49.39 | truls | i just wonder what parameters dpkg-buildpackages calls dpkg-deb with.. |
| 19:50.38 | truls | hm, calling dh_builddeb manually also works.. |
| 19:51.19 | truls | w0t |
| 19:51.28 | truls | now dpkg-buildpackage works too... |
| 19:51.35 | truls | with no actual changes... |
| 19:51.38 | Tak | hooray! |
| 19:51.46 | truls | maybe some temporary files somewhere borked everything... |
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| 19:53.26 | czr | truls, it was tak |
| 19:53.37 | truls | heh |
| 19:53.37 | czr | truls, he broke your build |
| 19:54.01 | Tak | I don't even exist; it couldn't have been me. |
| 19:54.30 | truls | all i have to do now is fix the menu-launcher, and i'm set! |
| 19:54.30 | tuxthepenguin | I'd like etags and emacs installed under X86 scratchbox - but if I add the standard bora repositories to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list I notice, it wants to remove at least one hildon package and install and upgrade a bunch of others - anyone know if it's ok to do this or whether it's the wrong approach and I should use some other repository to get these? |
| 19:54.44 | czr | don't be so westernly limiting in your thought-patterns. you don't exist but it still could've been you :-) |
| 19:54.49 | lardman | is maemo.org down? |
| 19:55.07 | K`zan | No, it just responds *******SLOWLY******* :-) |
| 19:55.13 | mgedmin | works here |
| 19:55.18 | czr | "it chooses the clients it responds to" |
| 19:55.22 | K`zan | LOL |
| 19:55.23 | lardman | :-p |
| 19:55.28 | K`zan | Must... |
| 19:55.36 | alterego | maemo.org would be a good source of entropy czr |
| 19:55.42 | K`zan | Works better in the middle of the night here on the west coast USA... |
| 19:55.46 | lardman | can someone tell the the algorithm in this?: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-August/001782.html |
| 19:56.14 | czr | alterego, heh, true that |
| 19:56.14 | mgedmin | niteOwl: do you have the latest bora SDK installed in your scratchbox? if not, then I'd suspect it wants to upgrade |
| 19:56.27 | truls | yay, and the blowfish also works from python now on the n800! |
| 19:56.28 | truls | yay |
| 19:56.37 | czr | alterego, although I'm slightly worried about the "non-predictable" part. so far maemo.org is pretty predictable ;-) |
| 19:56.44 | czr | it normally fails after finnish office hours |
| 19:56.55 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:56.58 | _berto_ | anyone with a 770 with OS2006 here? |
| 19:57.44 | zs | _berto_: upgrade to 2007 ;P |
| 19:57.46 | truls | i guess i just don't understand the format of the debian/<program>.links file |
| 19:57.59 | czr | lardman, it doesn't open. that's the algorithm :-) |
| 19:58.06 | czr | truls, why do you use links? |
| 19:58.09 | truls | right now i'm using: |
| 19:58.10 | truls | /usr/share/applications/hildon/yaysafe.desktop etc/others-menu/extra_applications/0112_yaysafe.desktop |
| 19:58.15 | czr | truls, noo |
| 19:58.17 | truls | czr: to get on the menu |
| 19:58.18 | truls | really? |
| 19:58.19 | czr | truls, forget about that file. |
| 19:58.19 | truls | no? |
| 19:58.20 | _berto_ | zs: no, I don't have one :D it's to debug a problem that someone else found in that device |
| 19:58.21 | czr | truls, yes |
| 19:58.21 | truls | woo |
| 19:58.28 | truls | so how? |
| 19:58.29 | _Monkey | so how are things? |
| 19:58.30 | czr | truls, it's not required. infact, it's brain damage |
| 19:58.36 | truls | nice |
| 19:58.43 | czr | truls, just put your desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 19:58.50 | czr | it will appear under extras by default |
| 19:58.53 | truls | really? |
| 19:58.59 | czr | yes |
| 19:59.12 | czr | the maemo.org howtos (4.0) contain a lot of really obsolete stuff |
| 19:59.15 | truls | so maybe the problem is in my desktop-file |
| 19:59.28 | czr | ahh. |
| 19:59.36 | czr | not sure whether you need the links there. my bad |
| 19:59.40 | czr | you don't in 3.2 at least |
| 19:59.46 | mgedmin | fwiw the examples in dh_link(1) imply that you should be using usr/share/... etc, without the leading / |
| 19:59.48 | truls | ok |
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| 20:02.36 | truls | so how to debug taht my application doesnt start when clicking the link? |
| 20:02.40 | czr | bleh. crashed sbox again |
| 20:02.48 | truls | Exec=/usr/bin/yaysafe.py |
| 20:03.01 | truls | and typing /usr/bin/yaysafe.py in the shell works perfectly |
| 20:03.03 | czr | truls, what are you testing on? |
| 20:03.07 | truls | n800 |
| 20:03.09 | truls | on the device |
| 20:03.24 | czr | if you run run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/yaysafe.py on the device? |
| 20:03.32 | czr | also, does yaysafe invoke libosso? |
| 20:04.03 | truls | ah, no |
| 20:04.03 | truls | doh |
| 20:04.03 | czr | which one? |
| 20:04.05 | truls | last one |
| 20:04.06 | _Monkey | hmmm... last one is "save" |
| 20:04.11 | czr | truls, first one works? |
| 20:04.18 | truls | yes |
| 20:04.30 | czr | truls, the prog runs without params? |
| 20:04.34 | truls | yes |
| 20:04.42 | czr | you get the icon in the task navigator? |
| 20:04.48 | truls | it requires knowing sys.argv[0] though |
| 20:04.55 | czr | ah |
| 20:04.57 | truls | i don't know if that's a problem |
| 20:05.05 | czr | it could be |
| 20:05.17 | truls | no icon when running from menu |
| 20:05.18 | czr | not sure really. but relying on that is not good. |
| 20:05.21 | truls | jsut the "loading..." |
| 20:05.23 | truls | shy? |
| 20:05.25 | truls | why? |
| 20:05.34 | czr | truls, I mean do you get the app in the extras menu or not? |
| 20:05.35 | truls | you have to rely on it quite alot of times |
| 20:05.42 | truls | yes, it's in the menu |
| 20:05.46 | czr | ok. |
| 20:05.53 | truls | that's where i'm having trouble running it from |
| 20:06.06 | czr | right |
| 20:06.53 | czr | did you install the service file? |
| 20:07.06 | czr | or what's your .desktop like? |
| 20:07.15 | czr | you need both |
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| 20:09.07 | truls | i have both |
| 20:09.20 | truls | i can pastebin them |
| 20:10.14 | czr | pastebin away. brb (smoke) |
| 20:10.24 | truls | http://pastebin.com/m221b13ff |
| 20:11.10 | inz | how long does it take to start up? |
| 20:11.19 | _berto_ | solmumaha: when you're back please try this and tell me what happens -> http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb |
| 20:11.48 | inz | And does it register the net.tangstad.yaysafe name? |
| 20:11.58 | niteOwl | mgedmin: I think so - It's 3.2 Maemo SDK - and I don't want to jump to chinook yet. I am targeting the N800 |
| 20:12.17 | mgedmin | apt-get upgrade with 'bora' in the sources list won't upgrade to chinook |
| 20:12.25 | mgedmin | don't know why it wants to remove hildon packages, though |
| 20:12.37 | truls | inz: it gives up after 15 seconds |
| 20:12.38 | niteOwl | just one package from hildon |
| 20:13.27 | niteOwl | it want to remove hildon-status-bar-lib-dev |
| 20:13.31 | inz | truls, I meant how long does it take to start when you run it from terminal |
| 20:13.41 | niteOwl | oops and more...one sec |
| 20:14.02 | inz | truls, if it takes more than two(?) seconds for the program to register the name in system(?) bus, the bus daemon will terminate your program |
| 20:14.19 | niteOwl | it wants to remove 6 hildon pkgs and several osso, etc |
| 20:14.39 | niteOwl | It wants to do: 37 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 70 to remove and 207 not upgraded. |
| 20:14.40 | truls | about 2-3 seconds |
| 20:14.45 | truls | it's python after all... |
| 20:14.58 | niteOwl | seems a bit much to me |
| 20:15.13 | czr | truls, remove the x-osso-type line |
| 20:15.24 | inz | truls, well then, it might just be that the program gets terminated before it is shown |
| 20:15.38 | czr | truls, and modify X-Osso-Service=net.tangstad.yaysafe |
| 20:15.57 | truls | to what? |
| 20:16.01 | czr | otherwise it will get incorrect name. and you need to register the name (either via python dbus) or use libosso |
| 20:16.05 | czr | truls, to what I wrote |
| 20:16.08 | truls | inz: none of the python-code is run |
| 20:16.16 | czr | from just yaysage |
| 20:16.18 | czr | safe even |
| 20:16.39 | czr | truls, also, version is wrong I think |
| 20:16.44 | czr | in desktop-file |
| 20:16.48 | truls | but the python-code never gets started though |
| 20:17.04 | truls | (i had it write to file, so i could tell) |
| 20:17.11 | czr | fix the version |
| 20:17.23 | niteOwl | ahh I see: I chose the ubuntu repository - of course it wanted to remove unknowns like hildon. I need a better repository aimed at maemo folks - Right now I have deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 20:17.24 | konttori | did you try to make install package with pypackager? |
| 20:17.32 | niteOwl | apparently it does not contain emacs though :-( |
| 20:17.39 | konttori | It should help you make all you need easily. |
| 20:17.49 | truls | czr: what should it be? |
| 20:18.12 | czr | truls, 1.0 |
| 20:18.23 | czr | truls, it gives the version of the desktop file. not your app |
| 20:18.24 | truls | it's not the version of my program? |
| 20:18.33 | czr | no. |
| 20:18.46 | truls | according to the howto, it's the application version |
| 20:18.50 | mgedmin | niteOwl: why don't you do your emacsing from outside scratchbox? |
| 20:18.55 | czr | the howto is wrong then |
| 20:19.00 | truls | heh, ok |
| 20:19.19 | mgedmin | niteOwl: symlink ~/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/users/USERNAME/home/USERNAME for extra convenience |
| 20:22.00 | czr | truls, tell me how it goes |
| 20:22.14 | truls | czr: changing version didn't change anything |
| 20:22.23 | czr | repost your files on pastebin |
| 20:22.33 | czr | truls, also, which directory do you install your service file into? |
| 20:22.36 | truls | just changed version up until now |
| 20:22.56 | czr | did you reinstall the file? |
| 20:23.00 | czr | or just modified it in place? |
| 20:23.00 | truls | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ |
| 20:23.04 | truls | reinstalled |
| 20:23.39 | czr | ok. do the other changes and repost the files |
| 20:24.07 | truls | does it have to be com.nokia....? |
| 20:24.13 | czr | no |
| 20:24.18 | czr | I told you what to put there. |
| 20:26.39 | truls | yay, that fixed it, thanks |
| 20:26.57 | truls | so the problem was the names in the service and the desktop-files didn't match then |
| 20:27.16 | czr | you'll still have to register the name from your app |
| 20:27.18 | truls | which also differs from what the howto says |
| 20:27.24 | czr | otherwise the application killer will kill your process |
| 20:27.27 | truls | yeah |
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| 20:27.33 | czr | truls, you should file bugs against the howto |
| 20:27.45 | czr | maybe some day they will get fixed |
| 20:28.38 | truls | will do |
| 20:28.45 | truls | should get some sleep though, 5.30am |
| 20:28.53 | czr | that's not an excuse :-) |
| 20:28.56 | truls | heh |
| 20:28.57 | czr | "do it for me" |
| 20:29.18 | czr | or just ignore it. I don't care :-) |
| 20:29.32 | truls | i would do it now, but bugzilla forces me to register |
| 20:29.39 | czr | indeed it does |
| 20:29.45 | truls | which is just evil for reporting bugs |
| 20:29.49 | truls | imho |
| 20:29.50 | czr | indeed it is |
| 20:29.58 | czr | but evil is the way of the land :-) |
| 20:31.38 | truls | yay, everything seems to work now though, application staying up and everything |
| 20:31.41 | truls | czr: thanks |
| 20:31.58 | czr | truls, np. |
| 20:32.29 | czr | "want your app to start and stay up? ask czr" |
| 20:32.56 | Thana64 | is BORA the lastest version ? |
| 20:33.04 | Thana64 | "stable release" |
| 20:33.07 | czr | truls, depends on how you calculate memory usage. but generally yes |
| 20:33.16 | czr | Thana64, no. 4.0 is the latest version |
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| 20:33.26 | czr | Thana64, however, you cannot run applications built with 4.0 on OS2007 |
| 20:33.33 | _berto_ | solmumaha: so you tried it? |
| 20:33.36 | czr | Thana64, you need OS2008 to run 4.0 apps |
| 20:35.38 | Thana64 | czr, yes, ok, that's "chinook" correct ? and has very applications exported to it ? |
| 20:35.50 | Thana64 | czr, btw, what is the aprox. delay for every maemo release ? |
| 20:35.55 | czr | Thana64, that is chinook, correct. |
| 20:36.09 | czr | "and has very applications exported to it" = does not compute |
| 20:36.12 | Thana64 | where i download it ? |
| 20:36.13 | czr | I don't know about the delays |
| 20:36.27 | czr | Thana64, maemo.org contains the scripts that do the downloading and installing for you |
| 20:37.22 | Thana64 | sorry for my english, i mean that my GF has very applications installed (abiword, etc), and i want that she have the same for can work in the university with the n800, i mean if there are a good number of applications ported to 4.0 (extra repositories, not official maemo) |
| 20:38.01 | czr | Thana64, not many applications have been ported to 4.0 |
| 20:38.12 | czr | since most people are waiting for their N810 or getting OS2008 for N800 |
| 20:38.31 | czr | Thana64, I'd wait if I was you |
| 20:38.55 | solmumaha | _berto_: still no images |
| 20:39.03 | _berto_ | can you run it from an xterm? |
| 20:39.05 | _berto_ | same output? |
| 20:39.56 | solmumaha | yes |
| 20:40.15 | lopz | re |
| 20:40.23 | _berto_ | that means that loading the image doesn't fail |
| 20:40.34 | _berto_ | and can you see the icon in the about dialog? |
| 20:41.16 | solmumaha | yes |
| 20:41.42 | _berto_ | that's very strange, I don't know why it doesn't work |
| 20:41.43 | _berto_ | hmmm |
| 20:43.18 | solmumaha | happens with a friend too so it's not just my device |
| 20:43.26 | Thana64 | czr, ok, well, i can install it to the real n800 system (she are working from the system on the mmc) and see |
| 20:43.34 | _berto_ | maybe I should set gtk-button-images to true, I'll try now ... |
| 20:43.43 | czr | Thana64, OS2008 for N800 is not out yet |
| 20:43.45 | _berto_ | yes, another guy told me the same |
| 20:44.03 | Thana64 | oh, is not released ? |
| 20:44.09 | czr | Thana64, it's not. |
| 20:44.30 | Thana64 | the other day i have tried to install minibro and i think that it has wanted to upgrade the system first, or something |
| 20:44.53 | czr | like a regular brother, but only smaller? |
| 20:45.16 | Tak | boo |
| 20:46.37 | Thana64 | lol |
| 20:46.59 | Thana64 | there' the ppl has tell me that opera is died and there's a new one for maemo |
| 20:47.10 | czr | microb |
| 20:47.11 | _Monkey | microb is probably the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 20:47.27 | czr | Thana64, microb is the browser engine on OS2008 |
| 20:47.32 | _berto_ | solmumaha: I'm building a package, I'll tell you in 5 minutes |
| 20:47.44 | Thana64 | that, microb, sorry :) |
| 20:47.47 | solmumaha | k |
| 20:47.57 | keesj | hmm php disabled on garage? |
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| 20:48.34 | Thana64 | czr, when OS2008 can be out then ? btw is more light the graphical system (aparently it eat good ram/cpu) |
| 20:49.03 | czr | Thana64, OS2008 for N810 is out. OS2008 for N800 is not. yet. I don't know when. |
| 20:49.22 | Thana64 | i can only use chinook for n810 ?? |
| 20:49.25 | Thana64 | on* |
| 20:49.36 | czr | you use chinook to develop applications for OS2008. |
| 20:49.51 | czr | but for now, yes. |
| 20:49.56 | Thana64 | yes, i have the SDK installed on my system |
| 20:49.57 | czr | since there is no OS2008 for N800 yet. |
| 20:50.12 | Thana64 | hurmf :/ |
| 20:50.24 | czr | Thana64, it's not my fault :-) |
| 20:50.36 | Thana64 | yes, of course |
| 20:50.46 | Tak | actually it is czr's fault |
| 20:50.59 | czr | nooo |
| 20:51.05 | Thana64 | i have just wanted to upgrade the system... and have this f**** browser working with google services (i can't pick in any part) |
| 20:51.19 | _berto_ | solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb |
| 20:51.21 | _berto_ | try again |
| 20:51.30 | X-Fade | Thana64: Why don't you just install microb for OS2007? |
| 20:51.43 | Thana64 | czr, i have used wildcards :) that can be "frikin'" :) |
| 20:51.53 | X-Fade | Thana64: That is the same browser as 2008. |
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| 20:52.01 | czr | Thana64, or foolz |
| 20:52.15 | Thana64 | X-Fade, my GF has try that and has tell me that the webpage wants to upgrade the system |
| 20:52.32 | X-Fade | Thana64: Don't believe her then.. |
| 20:52.45 | Thana64 | maybe i need to make a better look |
| 20:52.56 | X-Fade | Thana64: Good idea ;) |
| 20:53.09 | Thana64 | btw, what i do now with the chinook SDK if i can't use my packages to my actual system ? |
| 20:53.24 | Thana64 | install the SDK of bora ? |
| 20:53.25 | Tak | gaze wistfully at it |
| 20:53.30 | X-Fade | Test in sdk? |
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| 20:53.45 | X-Fade | Hope that they release OS2008 soon? :) |
| 20:53.58 | X-Fade | Friday is comming up again :D |
| 20:54.25 | solmumaha | _berto_: no :( |
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| 20:54.42 | _berto_ | then I don't know what's happening :? |
| 20:54.46 | alterego | I don't like making websites :( |
| 20:54.48 | czr | X-Fade, you say that every wednesday! :-) |
| 20:54.55 | _berto_ | I can use stock buttons instead but they won't look so nice |
| 20:54.58 | X-Fade | czr: :) |
| 20:55.37 | X-Fade | czr: It is a fact that a lot of releases have been on friday. But to find out which is the right one, that is hard.. |
| 20:55.38 | _berto_ | solmumaha: in version 0.2 what did you see in the buttons? icon? text? both things? |
| 20:56.30 | czr | X-Fade, I know. I think it's the two least significant bits of the week number. those are significant |
| 20:56.39 | czr | although I haven't quite figured out the exact rule |
| 20:56.53 | czr | oh yes, and my formula also factors in the position of the moon |
| 20:57.01 | X-Fade | czr: It would take a lot of the fun away ;) |
| 20:57.23 | czr | yes. you know me. always going for max fun. |
| 20:58.14 | solmumaha | _berto_: 0.2 worked the same on both |
| 20:58.35 | _berto_ | I mean, did you see an icon in all buttons, or a text, or what? |
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| 20:59.02 | solmumaha | icons |
| 20:59.11 | _berto_ | and no text? |
| 20:59.11 | solmumaha | iirc :) |
| 20:59.14 | _berto_ | ok |
| 20:59.17 | czr | iCons |
| 20:59.20 | _berto_ | so I'll try again |
| 21:05.18 | _berto_ | solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb |
| 21:05.20 | _berto_ | try again |
| 21:05.24 | _berto_ | this one should workd |
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| 21:09.00 | Jaffa | Everyone seen the thread on ITT that the latest N810 release date according to NokiaUSA.com (where USian device programme codes would have to be used, AIUI) is 19-Dec-2007. Fun. |
| 21:09.24 | elb | I hope that's incorrect |
| 21:09.35 | elb | since I leave the country on the 18th :-( |
| 21:09.40 | czr | heh |
| 21:09.45 | czr | I leave on 12th :-) |
| 21:10.19 | solmumaha | _berto_: nope |
| 21:10.25 | _berto_ | doesn't work?? |
| 21:10.30 | _berto_ | ok, last try |
| 21:11.25 | Tak | aww, I don't get to leave the country until July :-( |
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| 21:12.23 | chx | aside from datavis.com is the N810 in stock anywhere? |
| 21:15.25 | czr | Tak, I can make you leave earlier if you want to |
| 21:15.37 | Tak | sweet |
| 21:15.41 | czr | :-) |
| 21:16.55 | _berto_ | solmumaha: ok, try again |
| 21:16.56 | _berto_ | :) |
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| 21:17.22 | angelr | Nokia store in nyc have a decent amounts of N810s |
| 21:19.46 | solmumaha | _berto_: small icons and text |
| 21:20.03 | _berto_ | and the text says 'YES' and 'NO' for love and ban, I guess |
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| 21:20.49 | czr | "Are you sure you want love?" YES/NO |
| 21:21.07 | _berto_ | now all 5 icons are stock icons |
| 21:21.21 | _berto_ | and I chosse GTK_STOCK_YES and GTK_STOCK_NO for love and ban |
| 21:21.31 | _berto_ | but I don't know why does icons appear |
| 21:22.07 | _berto_ | however if I set them with gtk_button_set_image they don't |
| 21:23.42 | czr | yes. I'm stockpiling them |
| 21:23.53 | alterego | Just as I suspected! |
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| 21:29.01 | mariorz | anyone using some kewl splash screens you wanna link :P |
| 21:29.33 | p| | re |
| 21:29.35 | |R | excellent news, a Proactive Auto Assignement plugin for OLSR is to be released on SF asap :) |
| 21:29.39 | czr | mariorz, what if you google for "kewl splash screens"? :-) |
| 21:30.41 | mariorz | czr: i could and check otu devianart.com take out the gimp do the resizing etc..., was thiking maybe someone already did that :) |
| 21:31.37 | czr | mariorz, indeed you could. you could do an app like that. one that would also warn about incorrect usage wrt copyrights etc :-) |
| 21:32.03 | mariorz | heh |
| 21:32.06 | l7 | hey, what is the best podcast syncing program for IT2007 or 2008? |
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| 21:33.39 | czr | hmm. weird |
| 21:33.46 | czr | my N800 just spontanously rebooted |
| 21:33.55 | czr | (running OS2008, int release) |
| 21:34.05 | czr | I've seen this happening now on both N800 and N810 |
| 21:34.45 | inz | czr, what is the bootreason? |
| 21:34.52 | czr | inz, where can I find it? |
| 21:35.11 | inz | czr, err... I'll have to check |
| 21:35.21 | czr | inz, do tell :_) |
| 21:35.23 | czr | :-) even |
| 21:35.34 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.38 | czr | inz, "32wd_to" |
| 21:35.51 | inz | Hmm, was that the hardware watchdog... |
| 21:35.51 | czr | looks like watchdog timeout |
| 21:35.55 | czr | yup |
| 21:36.04 | czr | the device wasn't running anything. connected to AC |
| 21:36.13 | czr | been like that for at least 2-3 days |
| 21:36.28 | czr | I've not even ssh:d into it |
| 21:37.49 | czr | hmm. I wonder whether and where I should report this |
| 21:37.53 | czr | and what would be the use really. |
| 21:38.56 | K`zan | Nokia-N800-39:~# cat /proc/bootreason |
| 21:38.56 | K`zan | charger |
| 21:38.59 | K`zan | Interesting... |
| 21:39.25 | czr | I wonder if these are documented anywhere |
| 21:39.35 | czr | like in public. |
| 21:41.10 | inz | K`zan, it means that you plugged in the charger when the device was powered off |
| 21:41.36 | czr | inz, any ideas on whether and where I should report this? |
| 21:41.45 | K`zan | Probably, but plugging in the charger makes it boot?!? |
| 21:41.49 | czr | doesn't seem like there's a lot of data to go with the report though. but still. |
| 21:41.56 | inz | czr, it doesn't say reboot, only boot |
| 21:42.05 | K`zan | Not that it will be off much :). |
| 21:42.10 | czr | inz, hmm? |
| 21:42.11 | inz | oops, wrong nick |
| 21:42.14 | inz | Again |
| 21:42.24 | K`zan | Gotcha :) |
| 21:42.39 | inz | czr, your nick was much easier to type than K`zan's ;) |
| 21:42.39 | K`zan | Next week I learn to type :) |
| 21:42.41 | _berto_ | solmumaha: ok, I reproduced the problem with SDK 2, I'll work on it |
| 21:42.45 | czr | inz, I know! |
| 21:42.47 | czr | :-) |
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| 21:42.58 | czr | normally cztab is enough. |
| 21:43.04 | czr | unless I hang around some dubious channels |
| 21:43.07 | inz | czr, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/reportingrebootissues/ |
| 21:43.18 | inz | czr, I meant to paste you that and then I was interrupted |
| 21:43.41 | czr | inz, ah, cool. didn't know there was a doc like that |
| 21:44.04 | alterego | I can see the end of this project! |
| 21:44.11 | alterego | This is the last leg me feels. |
| 21:44.17 | czr | alterego, you've discovered the wonderful world of heroin? |
| 21:44.25 | alterego | Heh |
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| 21:45.23 | czr | hmm. what's the lifeguard_restarts useful for? |
| 21:45.33 | czr | it tracks how many times each application has gone berserk? |
| 21:45.48 | alterego | I've not heard of it. |
| 21:46.05 | czr | alterego, /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts |
| 21:46.20 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 21:46.39 | czr | hmm. I'll see what the N810 says |
| 21:46.55 | czr | spontanous reboots tend to be quite irritating to me |
| 21:47.14 | _berto_ | solmumaha: I think I found it |
| 21:47.25 | alterego | After the work I've done this week. I deserve this weekend (goin' camping):) |
| 21:50.00 | _berto_ | solmumaha: are you there? |
| 21:50.25 | _berto_ | czr: you have a 770 too, right? |
| 21:50.31 | czr | _berto_, yes |
| 21:50.40 | czr | but I haven't booted it in ages |
| 21:50.43 | _berto_ | i'm building new packages, I think I fixed the problem |
| 21:50.45 | _berto_ | ahm, ok |
| 21:50.52 | czr | _berto_, what are you building? |
| 21:51.00 | _berto_ | I thought you were using vagalume on the 770 too |
| 21:51.01 | _berto_ | sorry |
| 21:51.05 | czr | oh. not me :-) |
| 21:51.13 | czr | _Monkey, vagalume? |
| 21:51.14 | _Monkey | i haven't a clue, czr |
| 21:51.30 | czr | aww. I vaguely remember asking someone about it. what is it again _berto_ ? |
| 21:52.09 | _berto_ | a last.fm player for maemo |
| 21:52.15 | czr | ah yes. that was it. |
| 21:52.26 | czr | I might try it out if I ever decide to get an N800/N810 |
| 21:52.41 | czr | or decide to use the 770 for anything. I'll wait for 2008HE for it though |
| 21:53.19 | _berto_ | the fact is that I was debugging a problem that only appears in the 770 |
| 21:53.23 | _berto_ | that's why I needed help |
| 21:53.28 | _berto_ | I'll wait for solmumaha to come back |
| 21:54.14 | czr | ah. I see now. I've helped but my 770 is not running anything useful probably |
| 21:54.24 | _berto_ | don't worry :) |
| 21:55.22 | _berto_ | solmumaha: install the package again once you're back |
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| 22:01.07 | czr | inz, sending an email on maemo-dev with questions about the files. let's see if anyone knows :-) |
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| 22:13.08 | _berto_ | anyone with a 770 ? |
| 22:16.16 | p| | 'night all ! |
| 22:19.44 | l7 | so what do people use to sync files between the IT and computer? |
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| 22:28.08 | czr | l7, scp, usb, sshfs |
| 22:31.45 | timelyx | czr: i sent the bug around |
| 22:31.49 | timelyx | it'll try to go somewhere |
| 22:32.12 | czr | timelyx, evenink to you too :-) |
| 22:32.21 | czr | I'm posting bugs |
| 22:32.22 | timelyx | 12.32 |
| 22:32.26 | timelyx | good for you |
| 22:32.47 | czr | see #2338, #2339 and #2340 |
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| 22:39.18 | lopz | re |
| 22:39.20 | joshin | I still think that maemo.org is running on a single 770. |
| 22:39.35 | _berto_ | me too |
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| 22:59.42 | _berto_ | solmumaha: I've been confirmed that the fix works, I've just released v0.3a for the 770 |
| 22:59.45 | _berto_ | :) |
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| 23:08.33 | corevette | http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=742 |
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| 23:18.51 | Andy80 | I tried Os2008 this evening on a N800 of a friend of mine |
| 23:18.55 | Andy80 | very cool :) |
| 23:23.47 | alterego | Andy80, isn't it just :) |
| 23:24.07 | Andy80 | what do you mean :) ? |
| 23:25.18 | alterego | I mean .. It's very cool, isn't it. |
| 23:25.24 | alterego | I was agreeing with you :P |
| 23:27.48 | l7 | hey, did anyone buy an extended warranty for their IT?? |
| 23:27.54 | l7 | s/??/? |
| 23:28.15 | l7 | i think some credit cards also give you some warranty |
| 23:29.16 | bill20r3 | extended warranties are for suckers. |
| 23:29.50 | bill20r3 | I've had my n800 for less than a year, and the N810 is out already. if the N800 breaks, I dont want another N800. |
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| 23:43.05 | mouta | Hi |
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| 23:43.48 | l7 | re |
| 23:44.00 | l7 | yeah i tend to be biased against extended warranties |
| 23:44.14 | l7 | but i figured i would carry the n800 a lot |
| 23:44.44 | mouta | I've just tried the "Launching Application Framework Environment" part in the maemo4.0 tutorial. |
| 23:44.56 | l7 | so i figured the chances of it being broken / damaged / stolen would be higher |
| 23:46.00 | mouta | I get the user interface showing in Xephyr but it doesn't appear as in the tutorial and doesn't get refreshed when menus pop out. |
| 23:46.16 | mouta | Does someone know what the problem is ? |
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| 23:46.41 | mouta | (sorry l7 for interleaving your text...) |
| 23:47.02 | czr | mouta, yes |
| 23:47.10 | czr | mouta, you're using a xephyr without composite extension |
| 23:47.25 | czr | does your xephyr start with the -extension Composite parameter? |
| 23:47.52 | mouta | I tried that but Xephyr complained about that option and I replaced it with -x |
| 23:48.10 | czr | yes. that's because your Xephyr does not support composite properly |
| 23:48.15 | czr | 4.0 AF requires composite. |
| 23:48.25 | czr | that's why you're seeing the problems. there's no easy way to go around it |
| 23:48.40 | mouta | Should I try to install xephyr from source ? |
| 23:48.50 | czr | you can use two chained Xephyrs. one with proper composite support, on which you'll start AF, and then direct that to your "old" xephyr without the composite support |
| 23:49.07 | czr | "get a newer xephyr" is the only thing that I can really say |
| 23:49.17 | mouta | ok thanks |
| 23:50.20 | czr | mouta, I got bit by that exact same issue. 3.2 ran fine without composite. 4.0 does not :-) |
| 23:52.17 | mouta | Well, I will try another Xephyr version. Thank you. |
| 23:53.19 | l7 | mouta: np :) |
| 23:53.58 | mouta | Oh btw, does xephyr (the 'other' version) would rely on the underlying X server to get Composite ? |
| 23:54.16 | czr | mouta, no |
| 23:54.24 | mouta | Great. |
| 23:54.31 | czr | only xephyr needs to support composite. your real X server does not require it |
| 23:54.40 | mouta | All right, thanks. |
| 23:54.44 | czr | np, good luck |
| 23:54.52 | czr | afaik this issue is not documented anywhere :-) |
| 23:55.10 | mouta | Yep |
| 23:56.28 | l7 | http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-12518_7-6491288-2.html?tag=txt |
| 23:56.35 | czr | time to sleep |
| 23:56.40 | czr | night timeless & others |
| 23:56.41 | czr | -> |
| 23:58.29 | mouta | g'night |
