| 00:00.13 | tko | UND just means you're referring to it IIRC |
| 00:00.32 | alterego | Yes |
| 00:00.43 | alterego | Would you mind pasting the link again :) |
| 00:00.48 | alterego | I must have missed it .. |
| 00:00.55 | alterego | (not in back buffer either) |
| 00:01.09 | tko | bleh.. search for the function name in google and it's the first one |
| 00:01.31 | tko | (or the first link is to an older tag, but it's trivial to find the latest version) |
| 00:01.32 | alterego | Oh, you mean the source file? |
| 00:01.43 | alterego | Right, now I get you. |
| 00:01.56 | alterego | That doesn't matter. I've been staring at that file for ages. |
| 00:03.19 | alterego | Okay, so it's in an executable. And I'm supposed to link against that .. |
| 00:03.21 | tko | from the looks of it I'm almost certain the function is implemented in hildon-desktop and thus is available for all plugins |
| 00:03.36 | alterego | Yes, I've seen it implemented in hildon-desktop. |
| 00:03.46 | alterego | So what do I do to access it? |
| 00:04.06 | tko | just use it? |
| 00:04.19 | alterego | Do I directly link against that executable? Or is there a pkg-config? |
| 00:05.36 | tko | if you build a shared library (plugin) and call the function it should just work |
| 00:05.48 | elb | alterego: it sounds like you're building as an executable, and not a library |
| 00:05.48 | alterego | It doesn't. |
| 00:06.01 | elb | libraries are allowed to have unresolved symbols, executables (by default) are not |
| 00:06.09 | alterego | I know. |
| 00:06.35 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 00:06.59 | alterego | Okay, my dummy factory plugin loader wouldn't load because hildon-desktop isn't included. |
| 00:07.06 | tko | I wonder what the original error message was in the first place |
| 00:07.14 | alterego | There wasn't one. |
| 00:07.47 | alterego | Well, when the plugin was trying to load, I got: "no loader for plugin type: ruby" or some such. |
| 00:08.02 | alterego | I did post this on the mailing list last week .. |
| 00:10.52 | alterego | Aha. |
| 00:10.54 | alterego | Genius, |
| 00:11.14 | alterego | I'm getting a different error this time :) |
| 00:11.23 | alterego | That .. Is a good thing. |
| 00:18.28 | alterego | Nice my loader killed hildon-desktop! |
| 00:19.18 | alterego | That probably should be allowed to happen :/ |
| 00:19.39 | alterego | ~shouldn't .. |
| 00:20.50 | pupnik | anybody with a n800 / n810 want to try new dosbox? it should be a touch faster |
| 00:21.05 | alterego | pupnik, sure. |
| 00:21.12 | pupnik | pupnik.de/dosbox.html |
| 00:21.41 | pupnik | i put the mapper.txt into cwd right now - eventually will set up dosbox.conf and mapper.txt to go into /etc or something |
| 00:21.57 | alterego | 2008? |
| 00:21.58 | _Monkey | 2008 is probably the year of the open handheld/phone |
| 00:22.07 | pupnik | it should be work... dunno if it can run on 2008 |
| 00:22.31 | pupnik | with the fullscreen key you can toggle fullscreen to use xkbd, which launches automatically now at startup |
| 00:22.45 | pupnik | or just click it away if it annoys |
| 00:22.56 | alterego | I can't install it. I don't think it'll work on 2008 ;) |
| 00:23.20 | alterego | And I like 2008 too much to go back to 2007 O_O |
| 00:23.33 | pupnik | hmm. dpkg -i dosbox*.deb should do it |
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| 00:34.00 | alterego | Cool, it's working :) |
| 00:37.42 | pupnik | please flag me if you see any crashes or serious problems |
| 00:38.55 | alterego | Sure |
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| 00:51.41 | K`zan_800 | RX packets:171961 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 00:52.05 | K`zan_800 | about 1/5th the way through the map download now, perhaps by tomorrow morning... |
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| 00:58.05 | K`zan_800 | Would be nice to be able to download it to the desktop and USB it over... |
| 01:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | It'll keep failing if you don't have the extra space |
| 01:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | multiply whatever you're trying to install by two. |
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| 01:21.30 | pupnik | so for downloading maps maybe a 4GB sdhc card is needed? |
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| 01:25.04 | hircus | pupnik: what mapping app? |
| 01:25.27 | hircus | the N810 only has 2GB internal SD, and it's supposedly only 80% full for the US map set |
| 01:26.35 | acydlord | i cant download the US west mapset to my n800 :( |
| 01:26.52 | acydlord | i should probably make some room on my internal card |
| 01:27.27 | pupnik | i aunno |
| 01:27.49 | pupnik | just lots of people in channel complaining about download problems lately |
| 01:31.09 | acydlord | nokia should offer sd or mini-sd cards with map sets preloaded |
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| 01:44.48 | elb | so, am I understanding things right, that writing an Xlib-based application to be run on the Hildon desktop would require some Hildon-ized glue? |
| 01:45.30 | pupnik | xkbd is pure xlib afaik |
| 01:45.45 | pupnik | to start from a menu you need some wrapper at least |
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| 01:46.31 | elb | a launcher or what-have-you is no trouble |
| 01:46.52 | elb | but, there's a Tk application I use every day, and I'm hoping I can get urxvt fired up |
| 01:47.21 | derf | If you want vkb input, you'll have to do some work. |
| 01:47.46 | elb | the on-screen keyboard? |
| 01:47.58 | elb | ... I guess that means it doesn't speak XIM |
| 01:47.58 | derf | Yes. |
| 01:48.20 | elb | curse all these modern environments for reinventing the wheel in nonportable ways |
| 01:48.32 | derf | They have their own protocol for managing when the keyboard is shown, and what window keystrokes go to, etc. |
| 01:48.39 | elb | (no that XIM doesn't completely suck, but all the modern toolkits invent their *own* input methods) |
| 01:50.00 | elb | so what's the story for handwriting recognition? |
| 01:50.15 | elb | I've seen it mentioned a couple of places, but very little information about it |
| 01:50.32 | derf | I have no idea. I don't use the stock input method at all. |
| 01:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | The handwriting is garbage. |
| 01:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | (at least from a Newton user's perspective) |
| 01:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | I primarily use the thumbboard. |
| 01:51.54 | derf | It turns out that handwriting recognition is really hard. |
| 01:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Apple managed to nail it in 1996 |
| 01:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm not sure what the excuse is 10 years later. |
| 01:54.00 | elb | I only used a Newton a couple of times, but I was not impressed |
| 01:54.13 | drcoffee | how about bt kybrd? how does it differ from screen kybrd?? |
| 01:54.33 | elb | speaking of keyboards, is yours missing keys? |
| 01:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | You may have used one of the old ones. |
| 01:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | The 2000-series or better are the ones with good handwriting recognition. |
| 01:55.39 | elb | I used the last-generation eWhatever |
| 01:55.48 | drcoffee | i am using the toothpick to type |
| 01:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | Once you got that thing trained up, it was unbelievable. |
| 01:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Print completely natural. |
| 01:56.01 | elb | when they made the folding newtons with keyboards |
| 01:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | (cursive interpretter wasn't as good) |
| 01:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | eMate |
| 01:56.08 | elb | yeah |
| 01:56.16 | derf | Cursive is _really_ hard. |
| 01:56.23 | elb | I think taht's the thing -- if you didn't train them for 2000 years, they sucked |
| 01:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | I took all of my notes in high school with a 2100. |
| 01:56.28 | derf | I happen to be doing research in handwriting recognition for my job. |
| 01:56.34 | elb | and I never used one for long enough to train it that well |
| 01:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Took a couple days to get it up to speed. |
| 01:56.45 | derf | Though, not for English. |
| 01:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Then, tell me, derf, why has everything since the Newton sucked balls? :P |
| 01:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 01:57.45 | elb | I was actually pretty fond of Graffiti |
| 01:57.49 | elb | because it was so accurate |
| 01:58.05 | elb | I don't mind learning a simplified writing if it works well |
| 01:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | Now that's creepy. |
| 01:58.20 | GeneralAntilles | Voice synthesis just spat some kind of jibberish at me. |
| 01:58.44 | derf | Because the academics are all too busy pumping out PhD theses to worry about solving practical problems, and the practitioners don't have enough training to actually know what they're doing. |
| 01:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | The Newton's problem was size. |
| 01:59.05 | drcoffee | what was interesting about the recognition engine for the later Newtons, is that it was developed for a Mac product that got cancelled. |
| 01:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | But it's exactly that size that made it reasonable to write on. |
| 01:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | (Where the hell did I hide my message pads? :\) |
| 02:00.07 | drcoffee | the recog. engine is now part of OSX... if you use a Wacom or similar you can access it |
| 02:00.36 | derf | Anyway, these days people consider the roman alphabet largely a solved problem. |
| 02:04.07 | rhykin | anyone know where I can pick up a maemo development vmware image? |
| 02:04.07 | drcoffee | one of the major problems with most PDAs, is how difficult it was to connect to other machines (what I called "speed bumps") The Palm model of Conduits was as bad as the Newton sync app. |
| 02:04.42 | drcoffee | rhykin, look on the VMWare website |
| 02:05.53 | drcoffee | (though I like keyboards.... still have an eMate somewhere) |
| 02:06.44 | lophyte | hey all |
| 02:07.49 | drcoffee | derf. don't knock academics until you put yourself through the process.... and we do make contributions to real life problems |
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| 02:08.54 | derf | drcoffee: I have a PhD. |
| 02:09.22 | lopz | hola |
| 02:09.22 | _Monkey | hola, lopz |
| 02:10.56 | drcoffee | ok, then complain.... I am procrastinating finishing an article.... should be grading midterms instead. |
| 02:11.57 | derf | And I'm reading someone's PhD thesis while procrastinating finishing up this contract work. |
| 02:12.24 | elb | and I'm just procrastinating on working on my thesis ;-) |
| 02:13.14 | drcoffee | a fine tuned skill that comes from years of sitting on the hind quarter in front of computers, meetings, etc. |
| 02:15.33 | drcoffee | anyway, I am trying to find out how the BT keyboard gets read. I am finding it quite unpredictable, the delay and repeat rates are set too low and I don't seem to find a way of adjusting the proper parameters (bug #2166... tried the usual things, but to no avail) |
| 02:15.33 | _Monkey | Bug 2166 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166 |
| 02:16.16 | drcoffee | Monkey.... any ideas regarding #2166? |
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| 02:16.45 | elb | stupid infobots |
| 02:17.22 | drcoffee | so, the last time I dealt with keyboards, was when ADB was the Mac standard.... |
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| 02:19.16 | drcoffee | is Monkey an infobot? (I don't use irc's often) |
| 02:19.52 | elb | yes |
| 02:20.06 | elb | it saw 'bug #nnnn' and responded |
| 02:20.21 | elb | it's a particularly annoying infobot, because it regularly responds to phrases not directed to it |
| 02:23.03 | drcoffee | stupid monkey |
| 02:28.37 | derf | drcoffee, elb: http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/ |
| 02:29.59 | drcoffee | so as you can gather, I filed the bug and have not received much of an answer. I have a bit of time (ok, I am procrastinating) and would like to understand how the bt keyboard events get processessssed |
| 02:30.03 | hircus | derf: interesting |
| 02:32.15 | elb | derf: hah |
| 02:34.28 | derf | When I first read that, I was like, this is the story of my life. |
| 02:35.22 | drcoffee | I'll read it later... when I haave time |
| 02:36.09 | drcoffee | I wonder iif my file cabinet's 3rd drawer is organized? |
| 02:36.37 | derf | There's only one way to find out. |
| 02:37.00 | derf | And I'm pretty sure it involves wiring your file cabinet up with a serial connection and putting it on a web page. |
| 02:37.57 | acydlord | when is nokia ever going to add MST/Arizona to the osso clock |
| 02:38.12 | acydlord | totally screws the time zones |
| 02:39.56 | drcoffee | no no, that was already done with the coke machine at MIT (they really have too much time on their hands....) |
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| 02:40.43 | derf | my favorite was the guy who did it with the light switch in his dorm room. |
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| 02:41.18 | drcoffee | I was thinking more about writing a proposal for a ethnomethodological study on organizational research.... I could hire undergrads... write a couple of articles, yeah, that sounds like the ticket |
| 02:45.44 | drcoffee | anyway, I should go make some headway on my real work (after a side trip to the espresso machine... not only do I drink coffee, I pull really cool shots and have a killer machine and grinder to help me procrastinate.... life is too short to drink swill) |
| 02:45.58 | elb | amen |
| 02:46.02 | elb | I roast my own |
| 02:46.06 | elb | mostly to procrastinate ;-) |
| 02:46.22 | drcoffee | I train roasters and baristas |
| 02:46.28 | elb | I need to roast a batch tonight |
| 02:46.28 | drcoffee | later |
| 02:46.37 | elb | down to about one more pot |
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| 03:27.57 | pupnik | somebody help me |
| 03:28.13 | pupnik | we need a decent keyboard input method for sdl applications |
| 03:28.14 | K`zan | whatcha need pupnik |
| 03:28.35 | K`zan | Not sure I can help you there :-(. |
| 03:28.39 | pupnik | i'm too stupid to do it |
| 03:28.50 | K`zan | Wish my USB keyboard would work :) |
| 03:29.15 | pupnik | if all maemo people suddenly bought n810s, the problem would be solved |
| 03:29.23 | pupnik | and i sincerely thank Nokia for making the N810 |
| 03:29.36 | K`zan | Ain't gonna happen here - not anytime soon that is. |
| 03:29.41 | pupnik | yeah well |
| 03:29.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:29.47 | GeneralAntilles | But then I would have no storage. :( |
| 03:30.07 | pupnik | another thing that would work would be for a button combination to raise the hildon keyboard |
| 03:30.17 | pupnik | that would then type to any X app - sdl, xlib or gtk |
| 03:30.18 | K`zan | Even with one of the fold up USB keyboards, I am still a LONG way from the price of an 810. |
| 03:30.36 | K`zan | BT keyboards :) |
| 03:30.37 | pupnik | well K`zan just get a bluetooth keyboar |
| 03:30.40 | pupnik | yes |
| 03:30.48 | K`zan | Yep, gonna have to... |
| 03:31.05 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: can you try new dosbox on n800 pls |
| 03:31.14 | K`zan | Unless I can hack a mini-usb on my usb keyboard and have it work. |
| 03:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have anything handy to run on it. |
| 03:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | Linky? |
| 03:31.28 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html |
| 03:32.09 | pupnik | oh ON IT |
| 03:32.53 | pupnik | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xu4/ultima4-1.01.zip?download |
| 03:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Cool, thanks. |
| 03:37.39 | pupnik | the dosbox gurus spent a lot of time with me to make it work on Nokia |
| 03:37.43 | pupnik | they deserve some thanks |
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| 03:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | Where do I need to navigate to to get to the ultima4 folder on my external SD card? |
| 03:46.32 | lophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | OK, mounted c as /media/mmc1/ |
| 03:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm in the right folder |
| 03:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Now how do I launch it, pupnik? :D |
| 03:49.38 | pupnik | um dosbox |
| 03:49.39 | _Monkey | well, dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz |
| 03:49.49 | pupnik | grah that's old |
| 03:50.01 | pupnik | i launch dosbox from xterm from /home/user |
| 03:50.12 | pupnik | and i put the dosbox.conf and mapper.txt there too |
| 03:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in dosbox |
| 03:50.20 | pupnik | check my page for some info |
| 03:50.23 | pupnik | ah |
| 03:50.30 | pupnik | then you can mount a directory |
| 03:50.39 | pupnik | mount d: /media/mmc1/my/dos/game/path |
| 03:50.51 | pupnik | then type d: |
| 03:50.55 | pupnik | to switch to that drive |
| 03:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 03:51.22 | pupnik | then type the name of the executeable to run |
| 03:51.24 | pupnik | like |
| 03:51.25 | pupnik | ultima |
| 03:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | Schweeeeet |
| 03:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | I suppose I should buy a bluetooth keyboard at some point. |
| 03:57.21 | lophyte | yeah I'm thinking about it |
| 03:57.34 | lophyte | I looked at bluetooth headphones... never realized how expensive they are |
| 04:04.26 | pupnik | that's baloney, |
| 04:04.33 | pupnik | bluetooth keyboard is godly |
| 04:04.43 | pupnik | headphones are two wires and speakers |
| 04:06.50 | lophyte | BT headphones are like >$95 |
| 04:09.27 | pupnik | and nothing works with them |
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| 04:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | I will be and there's nothing you can do about it. :P |
| 04:53.49 | pupnik | it is an accident of birth |
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| 05:25.34 | ffoegboy | Has anybody connected a freedom universal bluetooth keyboard to the N800? |
| 05:26.53 | lopz | bye |
| 05:27.32 | K`zan | Anyone know if a USB keyboard, with USB<->Mini-USB adapter would work on the n800? |
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| 05:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | If it had enough power, K`zan. |
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| 05:39.47 | Kaervak | Has anyone else been unable to change the language on the latest OS2007 Hacker Edition for the N770? The error I get it "Device storage memory full, Remove Data to free memory" |
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| 05:47.11 | l7 | K`zan: thoughtfix made a video where he got a usb keyboard to work |
| 05:47.40 | l7 | look on youtube for his tablet laptop project |
| 05:48.02 | l7 | it required some fancy splicing of the usb cable to a power source |
| 05:48.52 | K`zan | What do I have to do to allow myself to ssh into the user account on the n800, keep getting "permission denied, please try again". I did log in as root and change user's passwd... |
| 05:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just use root |
| 05:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | and su from there. |
| 05:49.13 | K`zan | ah, OK. |
| 05:49.39 | K`zan | Silly message - denied and try again - is denied not denied - perhaps "Not allowed" would make more sense :-). |
| 05:50.12 | K`zan | Would like to get those bookmarks out and arrange them without tapping for the next six months :) |
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| 06:05.01 | K`zan | No modules so I rather doubt that any USB devices are going to work with the n800 :-/. |
| 06:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | OTG stuff should be fine. |
| 06:06.08 | K`zan | OTG? |
| 06:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | on the go |
| 06:06.26 | K`zan | You mean the BT stuff? |
| 06:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | Basically, it introduces negotiation for host |
| 06:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | No, USB |
| 06:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | Which, really, is just USB trying to pretend to be Firewire. |
| 06:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_OTG |
| 06:07.06 | K`zan | unless it is everything module wise built into kernel. |
| 06:07.11 | K`zan | Ah thanks, checking. |
| 06:10.11 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: USB trying to be Firewire is a good thing, surely |
| 06:10.22 | hircus | if only they did that from the beginning |
| 06:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:10.53 | K`zan | I wonder if I hack a mini-USB on a USB keyboard if it would work?!? |
| 06:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | It still needs power. |
| 06:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | So if it has power, yes. |
| 06:11.42 | K`zan | That is easy enough with the piles of batteries and wall warts around here :) |
| 06:12.00 | K`zan | I that will work I am off to make it up! |
| 06:12.06 | hircus | there are those 6-pin-to-4-pin Firewire cables that come with a power adapter, right? |
| 06:12.16 | hircus | someone should make the same one for USB-to-mini |
| 06:12.16 | K`zan | tapping is fine for on the go, but... |
| 06:12.58 | hircus | K`zan: tried a typing test yet? I'd love to know the speed ratio between N810 built-in, a Bluetooth travel keyboard and a full-sized, full-depth keyboard |
| 06:13.15 | K`zan | hircus: Got to make up one first :-). |
| 06:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | I figure I'm running about 40wpm on the thumbboard on the N800. |
| 06:13.57 | K`zan | Got the keyboard, a cable with a mini-usb to hack and I just need to figure out the power aspect of it. |
| 06:16.51 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: that's really decent |
| 06:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | The key is to use your fingertips (exactly the opposite of what you do on the iPhone). |
| 06:19.47 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: where you use your.. er.. finger pads? |
| 06:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | Basically. |
| 06:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | The iPhone doesn't like small stylus-like inputs |
| 06:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's actually not bad |
| 06:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | unless you wander around wish a melted Hersheys bar in your hands all day, the iPhone stays fairly clean. |
| 06:20.49 | hircus | well, if you have greasy fingers then you'll spend a lot of time wiping the screen |
| 06:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | (of note, I don't actually own an iPhone, but I did have to get my mother's setup ;)) |
| 06:21.33 | hircus | I've briefly tried a friend's, plus trying it in the shop (hint: AT&T, if you chain your iPhone with a short cable, it makes trying it out really awkward) |
| 06:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:25.37 | hircus | funny, though. tell iPhone fans that it's not open and they're quick to say "but the SDK is coming in February!" |
| 06:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it is. :) |
| 06:35.58 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: I know. but still, it struck me that Apple fans don't mind monopolistic behavior as long as it's not Microsoft's :) |
| 06:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 06:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | Monopolistic |
| 06:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | Now that's a misuse of a term if I ever heard one. ;) |
| 06:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | In order to behave monopolistically, you have to have a monopoly. |
| 06:36.52 | hircus | :) |
| 06:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | Closed and proprietary behavior is what it is. |
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| 06:37.00 | hircus | Apple has a monopoly on iPhone software |
| 06:37.03 | hircus | ah yes, ok |
| 06:37.34 | K`zan | OK, I think I have the circuit worked out... |
| 06:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm saving my determination on the iPhone for the end of next year. |
| 06:39.11 | hircus | my main interaction with Apple right now, as an ex-Mac user, is some cursing whenever I see a podcast site that does not have an RSS feed but has an iTunes subscribe button |
| 06:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | Laptops are garbage. ;) |
| 06:41.05 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: laptops are the new desktops |
| 06:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | There's always OSx86. |
| 06:41.20 | hircus | they are portable workstations :) |
| 06:41.29 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: no thanks. I'm happy with Linux |
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| 06:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | I've tried Linux |
| 06:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | I like my desktop environments to work on the first try. |
| 06:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | I just don't have the time or the patience to deal with all that extra bullshit. |
| 06:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | Especially when it doesn't particularly come with any real benefit. |
| 06:43.44 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: after a while, I can say the same about Windows |
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| 06:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but Windows doesn't have bash. |
| 06:44.47 | hircus | one got to be a bit careful with hardware purchases, but otherwise -- heck, even on Windows, installing an HP printer is a painful experience |
| 06:45.15 | hircus | they have that powershell thing -- quite good from what I've seen |
| 06:45.59 | hircus | benefit of Linux vs Mac .. depends on your use case, I'd say. |
| 06:46.22 | hircus | but I'll grant you that for most users, if they can afford a Mac and a more closed platform, go for it |
| 06:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's open where it matters for me. |
| 06:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | I just wish graphics cards weren't such a pain. |
| 06:49.47 | K`zan | crap, that usb keyboard I saved turned out to be PS2, I gave the wrong one to the thrift store... |
| 06:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 06:50.11 | K`zan | Can get one from same place for about $3. |
| 06:50.17 | K`zan | Will tomorrow. |
| 06:50.27 | K`zan | Or Monday. |
| 06:50.52 | hircus | K`zan: they'll probably let you swap one for the other? |
| 06:50.54 | K`zan | Would be incredibly cool if this works. |
| 06:51.26 | K`zan | $3 I can afford even with gov bloodsucking, $130 for a BT one is going to take a while :-/. |
| 06:52.04 | K`zan | Shame the fold up one for the PalmV / IBM C3 won't work. |
| 06:52.22 | K`zan | Really nice little portable keyboard. |
| 06:52.23 | hircus | K`zan: $130?? I bought my Stowaway for.. $70 or so |
| 06:52.33 | hircus | the Nokia BT keyboard is rather overpriced |
| 06:53.42 | K`zan | http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=113674&se=550 |
| 06:54.01 | K`zan | Best price I have seen, still beyond budget for a while though :-(. |
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| 06:55.16 | hircus | K`zan: ah. I got myself the older Think Outside model. not the Sierra |
| 06:55.41 | hircus | weird, mobileplanet only stocks the TO Sierra |
| 06:59.53 | hircus | ah duh. mine is the TO iGo :P |
| 07:06.20 | K`zan | :-) |
| 07:06.47 | K`zan | What is the command to show memory usage, I must be getting senile - I can get it off top, but... |
| 07:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | free |
| 07:06.57 | zoran | top |
| 07:07.08 | K`zan | Duhhh, thanks :-)! |
| 07:08.25 | hircus | K`zan: free ? |
| 07:08.33 | K`zan | Yes, thanks. |
| 07:08.47 | K`zan | Already into swap... |
| 07:08.59 | K`zan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.00 | K`zan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | Don't worry about it. |
| 07:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | Memory will be freed if its needed |
| 07:11.29 | K`zan | What ,me worry? |
| 07:11.31 | K`zan | :-) |
| 07:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:12.25 | l7 | would it be worth it to upgrade that mmc card? |
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| 07:13.00 | K`zan | I don't think so, max you can reallocate is 128M |
| 07:13.11 | K`zan | SD size doesn't appear to matter. |
| 07:15.37 | zoran | K`zan, r u talking about swap space? |
| 07:15.46 | K`zan | I think so :) |
| 07:15.59 | zoran | you think it has some limitation? |
| 07:16.19 | K`zan | From control panel anyway, probably not at the CLI |
| 07:16.43 | zoran | I thought the only lim is the room you gave it |
| 07:17.02 | K`zan | Still am not at a full understanding of the difference between embedd and "normal" |
| 07:17.09 | zoran | not sure for flash |
| 07:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | 128 is the max you can assign in the GUI. |
| 07:17.23 | zoran | ah, k |
| 07:17.25 | K`zan | Under Control-Panel -> memory->virtual max is 128M |
| 07:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | You really don't need more. |
| 07:17.38 | zoran | but it is just a button on the gui |
| 07:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | The flash is slow enough that more wouldn't help. |
| 07:17.45 | K`zan | should be 2x "ram" ?? |
| 07:17.58 | K`zan | Which should make it 256M here... |
| 07:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | Just leave it. |
| 07:18.15 | K`zan | Yes Sir! :-) |
| 07:18.16 | zoran | k, I rarely use swap |
| 07:18.39 | K`zan | Not much into it... |
| 07:18.48 | GeneralAntilles | If there were some benefit to be had, by increasing it, somebody woulda put together a script. |
| 07:19.02 | zoran | probably not an issue on device like this; it is on servers |
| 07:19.02 | K`zan | Oh, does anyone know if "Map" in 2008 is the same as maemo mapper? |
| 07:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, striping it between the internal and external sounds fun. |
| 07:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's not, K`zan. |
| 07:19.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's the Wayfinder stuff. |
| 07:19.42 | K`zan | Ah, want to look at that when it gets ported. |
| 07:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hang on |
| 07:20.09 | K`zan | Map seems a bit clunky, but then again those things do a lot withi 160 bogos :) |
| 07:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | Let me pull it from the logs. |
| 07:21.19 | K`zan | ?? |
| 07:21.27 | K`zan | Standing by. |
| 07:23.21 | ol_schoola | I put 2008 Map against a brand new Magellan. It wasn't pretty. |
| 07:24.08 | zoran | not the same kind of device |
| 07:24.15 | ol_schoola | Last night I loaded m-mapper and all i can say is, wow |
| 07:24.49 | ol_schoola | zoran: of course, but i was putting it into perspective to what a real world audience would see |
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| 07:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | Why the hell can't Colloquy dump the logs in plaintext? |
| 07:25.19 | zoran | I think the real audience are kids with multimedia in minds |
| 07:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | I can't find the link |
| 07:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | chelli did a port |
| 07:26.09 | GeneralAntilles | but these logs are garbage. |
| 07:26.18 | ol_schoola | there's that but i was still speaking from the navigation crowd perspective, so i see your point |
| 07:26.38 | zoran | mac chat client? |
| 07:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 07:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's good minus the shitty logging. |
| 07:26.56 | ol_schoola | agreed |
| 07:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/ |
| 07:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan |
| 07:27.44 | ol_schoola | i've been following this channel for just over a week and -- as usual -- it's easier to use the web archives to extract useable data ;) |
| 07:27.48 | zoran | there are some plugins for colloquy |
| 07:27.57 | ol_schoola | do tell... |
| 07:28.08 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Thanks checking now. |
| 07:28.26 | ol_schoola | the mbp and n800 are both very new to me. so many things to learn.... |
| 07:29.35 | K`zan | I presume I want the .deb ? |
| 07:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. |
| 07:30.00 | K`zan | Yep :-) |
| 07:30.03 | K`zan | LOL |
| 07:30.44 | K`zan | Unable to install, some app pkgs rqd are missing. |
| 07:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | Which? |
| 07:31.14 | K`zan | libgdbm3 |
| 07:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | You may have luck adding the bora repo. |
| 07:32.09 | ol_schoola | hah, got me too. i'm just about six days riper than K-man |
| 07:32.13 | K`zan | I can wait. |
| 07:32.47 | ol_schoola | nah, just add repository.maemo.org bora and all is fine |
| 07:33.09 | ol_schoola | 'free non-free' i think? |
| 07:33.13 | GeneralAntilles | free non-free extras |
| 07:33.28 | K`zan | errr, ah, um, well... |
| 07:33.30 | ol_schoola | extras? i missed that |
| 07:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Optional. |
| 07:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | But it can't hurt. |
| 07:34.00 | ol_schoola | thx |
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| 07:35.49 | K`zan | Adding that repository does what - lets the install chase down the library out of the old release? |
| 07:36.09 | ol_schoola | K`zan: egg-sact-ly |
| 07:36.42 | ol_schoola | in other words, it makes it happy |
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| 07:38.12 | K`zan | I see repository.maemo.org but no extras |
| 07:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | Add it to your application catalogs. |
| 07:39.18 | K`zan | or should I just manually add it as http://repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 07:39.20 | ol_schoola | just put 'free non-free' below the URL, forget extras for now |
| 07:39.45 | K`zan | or should I just manually add it as http://repository.maemo.org/non-free |
| 07:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 07:40.04 | zoran | repository.maemo.org/extras sounds better |
| 07:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 07:40.17 | GeneralAntilles | bore |
| 07:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | free non-free extras |
| 07:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me here. ;) |
| 07:40.30 | zoran | k |
| 07:41.04 | ol_schoola | extras isn't needed,/me after re-edumacation, ol_schoola agrees with General |
| 07:41.36 | ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: I've had little time in the last couple of days to keep track |
| 07:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | I've had 2 years. :D |
| 07:41.51 | ol_schoola | maemo site went down, right? back up again? |
| 07:41.56 | K`zan | SStrangely enough I have that repository |
| 07:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 07:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | It was down Friday-Saturday morning. |
| 07:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | US EST |
| 07:42.14 | K`zan | Not disabled, so it should have picked up the library? |
| 07:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | Likely |
| 07:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hit refresh. |
| 07:42.46 | ol_schoola | ok, is there an RSS feed that keeps track of such things like this? announcements of 07->08 portings? stuff like that? |
| 07:42.51 | K`zan | rr |
| 07:42.51 | zoran | for me it was quick as never |
| 07:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | planet |
| 07:42.57 | _Monkey | planet is dead again... |
| 07:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | sorta |
| 07:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | but not really. |
| 07:43.14 | K`zan | Looks like it kept the repositories I put in under 2007 ?!? |
| 07:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | That's what backup does. |
| 07:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno why it wouldn't be finding it. |
| 07:43.42 | K`zan | Ok, refreshed, try the mm install again. |
| 07:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | Could try an apt-get install libgdm3 as root. |
| 07:44.01 | ol_schoola | that worked for me |
| 07:44.04 | zoran | maemo.org is fast I cannot believe |
| 07:45.42 | K`zan | pt-get install libgdbm3 |
| 07:45.45 | K`zan | woiks :) |
| 07:45.51 | K`zan | Not to try mm again. |
| 07:46.51 | ol_schoola | zoran: seems that way |
| 07:47.13 | K`zan | Success! |
| 07:47.26 | K`zan | Since that worked: apt-get install kde :-) |
| 07:47.35 | ol_schoola | i've got a pile of pieces/parts that want to become a new mythtv master backend |
| 07:47.45 | ol_schoola | i can't seem to find the motivation |
| 07:48.13 | zoran | K`zan, u have kde on now? |
| 07:48.27 | K`zan | No, I don't, just kidding :) |
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| 07:48.33 | zoran | :) |
| 07:48.48 | K`zan | Not on the N800 anyway - everything else here but the laptop has it though. |
| 07:50.12 | ol_schoola | hmm, how do themes work across releases? easier question: where are the good themes for 2008? |
| 07:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | None |
| 07:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just wait |
| 07:50.31 | zoran | heh, the matter of taste |
| 07:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | Big UI changes for OS2008 |
| 07:50.44 | ol_schoola | gotchya |
| 07:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | I like Glasser, though. |
| 07:51.05 | ol_schoola | i thought i saw a screenshot of a 08 app with a funky theme |
| 07:51.21 | zoran | gui stylists like strong colors, as I see |
| 07:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html <- Glasser |
| 07:51.45 | ol_schoola | i gravitate toward the mellower of themes |
| 07:52.00 | ol_schoola | prefer incadescent over flourescent |
| 07:52.01 | zoran | yes, the simpler, the better |
| 07:52.08 | K`zan | Cool, I can run gpsd on the laptop and get at my GPSMAP76CS that way - kind of dumb - all I have done is add the N800 to the laptop and GPS to lug around... |
| 07:53.10 | zoran | or ask nasa to locate your position in 3d |
| 07:53.21 | K`zan | flite runs on the N800? Wow. |
| 07:53.48 | K`zan | My sister in law retired here a few years ago, don't know anyone there anymore :(. |
| 07:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | I always forget to turn it off when I'm listening to audio books in the car. |
| 07:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Then in blares on unimaginably loud. |
| 07:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | Scares the crap outta me. |
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| 07:55.28 | K`zan | Wonder if MM also loads flite. |
| 07:55.42 | zoran | f for finish? |
| 07:55.43 | K`zan | Didn't see it in any of the repositories I looked at. |
| 07:56.00 | K`zan | voice synth, light version |
| 07:57.31 | zoran | with all intergration, n810 has no phone, which would be easier than gps |
| 07:59.00 | ol_schoola | not by a long shot |
| 07:59.28 | ol_schoola | gps is embedded on a chip for all practical purposes |
| 07:59.47 | ol_schoola | phone requires several subsystems, many on their own chips |
| 08:00.08 | gla55_ | political decision anyhow |
| 08:00.15 | ol_schoola | nokia has an idea of what they're doing |
| 08:00.30 | zoran | they probably know what are they doing |
| 08:00.44 | ol_schoola | just wish they'd give us a little better idea of their idea |
| 08:00.52 | zoran | :) |
| 08:01.00 | K`zan | Best choice of maps for MM? What is comes with is pretty grainy and no roads either. |
| 08:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Google sat/maps |
| 08:01.31 | ol_schoola | start with google, compare adainst VE, add hybrid if you have a really big card |
| 08:01.34 | zoran | must to say that I would never need maps, till i saw them available |
| 08:02.24 | K`zan | Got two sets if repositories, cleaning it up... |
| 08:02.42 | ol_schoola | google sat pics always have the grass and trees looking brown and dead, ve has them very green |
| 08:02.46 | zoran | btw, the big competitor could be asus eee pc |
| 08:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bull |
| 08:03.08 | GeneralAntilles | The Eee isn't pocketable. |
| 08:03.26 | zoran | depends of pocket size |
| 08:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 08:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | The NEWTON depended on pocket size. |
| 08:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | The Asus is hardly better than a laptop. ;) |
| 08:03.52 | ol_schoola | i had a Newton |
| 08:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | I have two. :D |
| 08:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | There are no competitors for the NITs. |
| 08:04.21 | ol_schoola | ah hah! i KNEW you had some grey hairs! |
| 08:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 08:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | I bought them on ebay. |
| 08:05.14 | ol_schoola | a most intriguing yet unuseable device |
| 08:05.15 | zoran | gray hairs? |
| 08:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | Used mine in high school 2001-2006 ;) |
| 08:05.37 | ol_schoola | if you had a Newton when it first came out, odds are, you are sporting the starts of gray |
| 08:05.54 | ol_schoola | crap, HS was 82-86 for me |
| 08:07.08 | ol_schoola | they came around in, what, 96? |
| 08:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | 1991 |
| 08:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | Original |
| 08:07.21 | _Monkey | well, Original is fine, converted is not |
| 08:07.28 | ol_schoola | wow |
| 08:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | The 2000 was 1996 |
| 08:07.46 | ol_schoola | i'm git'in really ole.... |
| 08:08.01 | kulve | zerojay: did you sort out the sid-support problem? |
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| 08:11.22 | zoran | talking about old hardware, I'm logged now on cray y/mp |
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| 08:36.40 | K`zan_800 | Night folks! Thanks for all. |
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| 08:42.23 | ol_schoola | zoran: this was the starting point for my twice weekly foothills run when i lived out west |
| 08:42.28 | ol_schoola | http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/spring97/computing.html |
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| 09:40.57 | keesj | is there video calling on the n810? |
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| 10:04.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:04.44 | keesj | Hi Jaffa |
| 10:05.54 | Jaffa | lo keesj |
| 10:06.06 | Jaffa | How's maemo.org this morning? |
| 10:06.50 | msh | hm. any rumours when nokia're going to actually start selling n810s? |
| 10:07.27 | Jaffa | There're rumours it can be bought by phone in the US already; with some confusion over shipping dates. |
| 10:08.41 | msh | ah, preorder style? |
| 10:10.55 | Jaffa | Right, today's jobs - once showered - are to finish off the mediautils website, make mediaserv aware of both 770-encode and tablet-encode and put out v0.05 |
| 10:22.05 | keesj | Yea, I also need to start doing something :p |
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| 10:22.27 | tapo | http://maemo.org has errors |
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| 10:23.38 | keesj | The site is slow , full or errors and a real pain when logged in. not much fun I would say |
| 10:24.12 | keesj | just not proffesional i would say |
| 10:25.18 | keesj | it redifines the worl wide waiting |
| 10:25.40 | keesj | but the app catalogue is cool :p |
| 10:25.56 | kulve | keesj: did you already vote in bug #2308? :) |
| 10:25.57 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 10:27.08 | keesj | just done! |
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| 10:31.13 | keesj | and now I need to apply for a job at maemo :P |
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| 10:36.20 | unique311 | keesj, you the dev for mamona? |
| 10:36.42 | keesj | I the what? |
| 10:37.02 | guardian | morning |
| 10:37.03 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:38.08 | keesj | unique311: did compile mamona and install it. |
| 10:38.24 | unique311 | how is it treating you? |
| 10:39.21 | keesj | It feels great to have a fully self compiled system running. |
| 10:39.26 | unique311 | was thing about trying out different stuff rumored to be working on the n800 while waiting on the new os to come out. |
| 10:39.57 | unique311 | k |
| 10:40.54 | keesj | it also opens the door to using recent compilers etc. I guess what really would be great is to have the hidlon stuff into mamona/oe |
| 10:42.25 | unique311 | can you install stuff compile for os2007 |
| 10:43.10 | keesj | I did not try that I guess not since the libs are more recent and it's not based on the same debian packages |
| 10:44.14 | unique311 | well going to give it a try. |
| 10:44.43 | unique311 | just hope i don't screw up my n800 before the os2008 comes out. |
| 10:45.41 | keesj | it did not replace the kernel, but I had a dual boot setup that was messed up :( |
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| 10:47.18 | unique311 | i want to give angstrom a go |
| 10:48.16 | keesj | unique311: yea. idem here. |
| 10:48.32 | unique311 | idem? |
| 10:49.06 | keesj | but mamona is also oe based so it was a good start. I also am trying to run angstrom on a 2430osk board as we speak |
| 10:49.07 | _Monkey | okay, keesj. |
| 10:49.13 | keesj | idem dito = the same here |
| 10:49.20 | unique311 | koen, need documentation on how to install |
| 10:49.21 | unique311 | k |
| 10:49.45 | keesj | http://embedded-system.net/mistral-releases-2430-osk-omap2430-starter-kit-and-the-linux-bsp.html |
| 10:51.00 | unique311 | hefty price tag on that thing. |
| 10:51.32 | rafl | does Ian Lawrence happen to be in this channel? |
| 10:52.26 | keesj | yes. it's not mine :p |
| 10:53.11 | monkeyiq | Hi, anyone know if the opensuse build system has support for maemo? |
| 10:55.41 | monkeyiq | I am sort of toying with either using bitbake or obs to build packages... but I tend to do more desktop/server packaging so obs might be a better bit |
| 10:57.16 | keesj | is ther any build system with support for maemo? |
| 10:58.25 | keesj | unique311: do you want to try microb on mamona? |
| 10:58.28 | monkeyiq | OE has conf/distro/maemo-1.0.conf but I've not looked into it yet |
| 10:58.43 | unique311 | its not installed yet |
| 10:58.49 | unique311 | but i'll take a link. |
| 10:58.55 | unique311 | i'm also in #mamona |
| 10:59.00 | keesj | you need to ask koen about it there are also n800 an 770 definitions |
| 10:59.13 | unique311 | give me the link there |
| 10:59.21 | rafl | why is maemos glib compiled without thread support? |
| 11:01.02 | tko | rafl: ? |
| 11:01.38 | rafl | g_thread_supported returns FALSE |
| 11:01.53 | tko | it doesn't mean what you think it means |
| 11:02.00 | rafl | so what does it mean? |
| 11:02.15 | tko | http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Threads.html#g-thread-supported |
| 11:02.37 | tko | see g_thread_init above |
| 11:02.45 | rafl | whops |
| 11:03.10 | tko | it really should be named g_thread_initialized or something |
| 11:03.16 | rafl | then I wonder why an applikation using g_thread_init fails to compile due to linking errors |
| 11:05.07 | rafl | i.e. int main (...) { g_thread_init (NULL); return 0; } |
| 11:05.17 | rafl | other glib functions seem to work well though |
| 11:06.06 | tko | you're not linking with gthread? |
| 11:07.04 | xan-afk | use the output of pkg-config --libs gthread-2.0 to link... |
| 11:07.28 | rafl | oh noes |
| 11:07.30 | rafl | thanks |
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| 11:17.54 | rafl | I wonder why dpkg-deb --control could fail on the device while it works well with the same package within the sdk as well as with a normal debian system |
| 11:18.26 | rafl | "unexpected end of file in version number in $package" is what it says. |
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| 11:39.16 | rafl | hooray! liferea on maemo 4 :-) |
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| 11:42.08 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.29 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.29 | _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching but manona |
| 11:42.34 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.35 | _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching manona |
| 11:43.01 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.02 | _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching but mamona |
| 11:43.08 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.09 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot mamona |
| 11:44.18 | unique311 | mamona? |
| 11:44.32 | timelyx | well, it won't be anything now :) |
| 11:45.01 | unique311 | i just flashed it...aside from looking good... |
| 11:45.05 | unique311 | can do anything with it. |
| 11:45.08 | timelyx | heh |
| 11:45.13 | unique311 | but its running. |
| 11:45.19 | unique311 | animated wallpaper and all |
| 11:45.25 | timelyx | i thought that the goal of oss was to look pretty and do pretty much nothing |
| 11:45.33 | timelyx | does it burn battery nicely? |
| 11:45.49 | unique311 | its still aalive on battery |
| 11:45.53 | unique311 | i'll let you know |
| 11:46.04 | unique311 | don't have it plugged in. |
| 11:48.13 | rafl | I wonder what I fucked up in order for all things to look like normal gtk instead of the way I'm used to from maemo |
| 11:52.37 | murrayc_ | rafl: Are you using run-standalone.sh? |
| 11:53.36 | rafl | I'm using whatever maemo uses on this device to run things |
| 11:54.23 | rafl | also some applications still look like they used to |
| 11:54.30 | rafl | but the browser, for example, doesn't |
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| 12:03.48 | murrayc_ | Oh, I thought you were developing rather than just using. |
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| 12:52.03 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:05.41 | lopz | bye |
| 13:06.48 | p| | yo |
| 13:08.23 | alterego | Yope |
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| 14:20.23 | lophyte | morning all |
| 14:21.25 | p|_ | ciao |
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| 14:38.51 | konttori | hey, is there glade support for python on the device? |
| 14:39.00 | alterego | As far as I know .. Yes. |
| 14:39.11 | konttori | ahh... good. |
| 14:39.45 | konttori | can't find it mentioned in the components: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html#components |
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| 14:44.27 | Juhaz | konttori, it's part of pygtk |
| 14:44.36 | konttori | ahh... good. thanks! |
| 14:44.51 | konttori | this is actually great news. |
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| 14:45.19 | konttori | I decided to waste some time making pysqlitegui to work properly on the device and extend its functionalities a bit |
| 14:45.38 | konttori | I was fearing that I'd have to re-write the GUI to use gtk directly instead of through glade |
| 14:45.53 | konttori | saves a lot of time. |
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| 14:48.31 | Jaffa | Comments welcome on the finished site for tablet-encode/mediaserv: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/index.php |
| 14:49.45 | visy | nice |
| 14:52.07 | timelyx | Jaffa: s/playback/play back/ |
| 14:52.10 | timelyx | (v) |
| 14:52.17 | keesj | Jaffa: I would try to make more clear that is a web-application / pc component |
| 14:52.45 | keesj | it's not because it's called mediaserver that it does not run on the maemo platform |
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| 14:52.58 | keesj | funny video |
| 14:54.39 | Jaffa | keesj: good point |
| 14:54.44 | Jaffa | timelyx: fair enough |
| 14:55.51 | keesj | just about the software , I guess that nokia has included some sort for mime type to add rss video feeds to the media-server |
| 14:55.51 | timelyx | Jaffa: you're missing from backchannel |
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| 15:10.06 | sys_n800 | hello |
| 15:11.04 | sys_n800 | can someone please tell me, how to lunch a console on the nokia n800? |
| 15:11.22 | zoran | from menu on the left side of the screen |
| 15:11.29 | zoran | if you installed it |
| 15:11.33 | kaltsi | you need to install osso-xterm |
| 15:12.07 | timelyx | the same way you launch anything else you've installed? :) some installation required :) |
| 15:12.30 | kaltsi | install it from here http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 15:12.31 | alterego | He's probably not installed it .. |
| 15:12.59 | sys_n800 | kk i see, going to install it, thx |
| 15:13.32 | timelyx | 02:18 alterego Nice my loader killed hildon-desktop! |
| 15:13.32 | timelyx | 02:19 alterego That probably should[n't] be allowed to happen :/ |
| 15:13.49 | timelyx | alterego: if you write a kernel module, should it be allowed to cause a kernel panic? |
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| 15:14.22 | alterego | No, I don't think that should be allowed to happen either. |
| 15:14.26 | timelyx | desktop plugins are to hildon-desktop what kernel modules are to kernels |
| 15:14.49 | timelyx | i wonder if linus would say you shouldn't be allowed to write kernel modules :) |
| 15:15.00 | alterego | So you think it's okay that anyone can write a plugin that crashes the whole desktop? |
| 15:15.05 | timelyx | (he might not, i dunno) |
| 15:15.19 | timelyx | i think most people who do write plugins do write plugins that crash the desktop |
| 15:15.23 | timelyx | i've used quite a few of them |
| 15:15.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:15.33 | timelyx | i've also gotten them to improve the behavior wrt that |
| 15:15.38 | timelyx | (really) |
| 15:16.10 | elb | the benefit of using a loaded scripting language is that the loader designer can work to prevent that in many, most, or all cases |
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| 15:17.07 | sys_n800 | do i have to set a root pw to make su? |
| 15:17.23 | timelyx | no |
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| 15:17.29 | timelyx | the root password is well known |
| 15:17.35 | timelyx | you might consider changing it |
| 15:17.41 | alterego | It's your mothers' maiden name. |
| 15:19.17 | zoran | sudoers file is the one that man should read first, not to be suprised all the time |
| 15:20.33 | sys_n800 | where is this file? |
| 15:20.40 | zoran | heh, in /etc |
| 15:20.42 | timelyx | man sudoers ? |
| 15:20.57 | timelyx | oddly, linux is supposed to have documentation, even for files |
| 15:21.02 | timelyx | although, don't try this on a device |
| 15:21.29 | zoran | that file took 10 years of my life when I got the device |
| 15:21.36 | sys_n800 | i tried man, but is not installed |
| 15:21.44 | zoran | google for it |
| 15:21.50 | sys_n800 | kk |
| 15:22.28 | kaltsi | sys_n800: do you want to use sudo or just get root access? |
| 15:22.34 | zoran | someone encountered unicos? I need manual for it |
| 15:23.20 | kulve | how do I turn off the display on n800? |
| 15:23.33 | timelyx | kulve: acpi/dsme |
| 15:24.03 | kulve | timelyx: was that a hint, a guess or what? |
| 15:24.16 | sys_n800 | i want to edit sources.list.... and thouht setting a root pw would be nice |
| 15:24.28 | timelyx | kulve: been there, read that |
| 15:24.38 | zoran | via ssh should be the easiest way |
| 15:24.44 | kulve | sys_n800: install ssh, login through ssh as root, change the passwd, edit the file |
| 15:24.48 | timelyx | sys_n800: wrong |
| 15:24.52 | timelyx | application manager will edit sources.list |
| 15:24.55 | kulve | timelyx: well, that's nice. Doesn't really help me. |
| 15:25.05 | timelyx | kulve: those are the answers |
| 15:25.08 | timelyx | acpi is quite public |
| 15:25.13 | timelyx | although dsme will trump it |
| 15:25.17 | timelyx | so you'll want to appease dsme |
| 15:25.22 | zoran | does it show something on sysctl -a ? |
| 15:25.36 | sys_n800 | kulve; ok and whats the root pw? |
| 15:25.45 | kulve | sys_n800: rootme |
| 15:25.45 | _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? |
| 15:26.08 | kulve | zoran: nope (at least no display or screen words when I grepped it) |
| 15:26.27 | Jaffa | Hmm, why do I get the feeling that although the planet's up - it's not updating? |
| 15:26.53 | alterego | Jaffa, it's actually regressed :/ |
| 15:29.02 | sys_n800 | kulve; rootme doesnt work |
| 15:29.13 | zoran | kulve, on bsd there is the way to see all acpi variables; I think linux writes it to separate files |
| 15:29.31 | Jaffa | alterego: gah, then posting http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/11/18/mediaserv_tablet_encode_mediautils cos I thought it was quiet was a bad idea. |
| 15:29.40 | alterego | sys_n800, you need to be in R&D mode. |
| 15:29.47 | kulve | alterego: why? |
| 15:29.55 | sys_n800 | how? |
| 15:29.56 | alterego | To become root. |
| 15:30.06 | kaltsi | alterego it's not necessary |
| 15:30.11 | alterego | Really? |
| 15:30.11 | zoran | or change gainroot by the hand |
| 15:30.12 | _Monkey | zoran: that doesn't look right |
| 15:30.14 | kulve | sys_n800: if you are logging with ssh, the rootme should work and there's no need for r&d mode |
| 15:30.17 | alterego | I was missinformed then ;) |
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| 15:30.30 | alterego | Oh, I thought you were talking about su |
| 15:30.36 | kaltsi | if you install ssh then you can login as root.. to use 'sudo gainroot' you need to be in RD mode |
| 15:30.54 | sys_n800 | kulve; i need to enter a sudo pw to start the sshd! |
| 15:31.06 | zoran | the point in gainroot is that it could be changed |
| 15:31.06 | kulve | sys_n800: what..? |
| 15:31.22 | kulve | sys_n800: use application manager to install the openssh. It will start it automatically |
| 15:31.43 | sys_n800 | ahh |
| 15:31.53 | sys_n800 | kk i ll try |
| 15:32.08 | kaltsi | or 1-click install from here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh |
| 15:32.32 | sys_n800 | i did that |
| 15:32.42 | kaltsi | then sshd should be running |
| 15:33.09 | sys_n800 | kk |
| 15:33.52 | kaltsi | then you should be able to ssh root@localhost from the xterm |
| 15:35.02 | kulve | or from your desktop, if you have a proper network access to your n800. It's much easier to use a real keyboard :) |
| 15:35.43 | sys_n800 | thought so too, heh |
| 15:36.19 | zoran | you have to find ip address of the device firts |
| 15:36.46 | alterego | Not if you're connecting from the device .. |
| 15:36.55 | alterego | ssh root@localhost just like kaltsi said .. |
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| 15:37.14 | zoran | he was talking about remote access |
| 15:37.24 | sys | ok, a real keyboard here :) |
| 15:37.25 | sys | thc |
| 15:37.26 | sys | thxc |
| 15:37.43 | sys | i connected via ssh and changed the pw; i've WifiInfo installed :) |
| 15:37.45 | alterego | You'll want to check out the network manager to get the IP address then. |
| 15:37.54 | alterego | Ah, cool. |
| 15:38.17 | sys | everything a bit new :) |
| 15:38.26 | zoran | and disable remote root connection then |
| 15:38.32 | kulve | yeah, the IP can be get from the connection manager's menu |
| 15:38.36 | timelyx | alterego: fwiw, from what i can tell the reason plugins are plugins instead of processes is that on the 770 there weren't enough resources to load a bunch of apps w/ the same stupid libs half a dozen times |
| 15:38.40 | sys | kk |
| 15:38.44 | timelyx | so they decided to risk cooperative plugins |
| 15:38.51 | timelyx | and expected plugin devs not to suck |
| 15:39.09 | alterego | :) |
| 15:39.15 | sys | how else can i log in, if i disabled sshd root login? |
| 15:39.27 | timelyx | you wouldn't? |
| 15:39.28 | zoran | user firts |
| 15:39.30 | alterego | Well, I don't really mind having to restart hildon everytime I run my loader :./ |
| 15:39.30 | timelyx | good for you? |
| 15:39.44 | timelyx | don't ask me why anyone would trust devs not to suck |
| 15:39.52 | alterego | Yeah |
| 15:40.23 | timelyx | but anyway, they cut a corner, and overall, it works |
| 15:40.29 | sys | zoran: what users? i don't see any other user in /etc/passwd |
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| 15:40.33 | timelyx | as long as it bites the dev before he delivers |
| 15:40.39 | timelyx | instead of the customer after the dev delivers |
| 15:40.41 | timelyx | it's all good |
| 15:40.44 | zoran | sys, you are "user" user |
| 15:40.48 | timelyx | dev fixes, delivery ok, ... happy user |
| 15:41.07 | timelyx | unfortunately, i was a user, and i got a bunch of those plugins, after delivery |
| 15:41.15 | sys | so i should first do a passwd user before diconnecting and disabling root:D |
| 15:41.20 | timelyx | but anyway, i already complained and made them improve things :) |
| 15:41.57 | zoran | sys, see manual for openssh first; it is a good manner to login first as user, then su/sudo to root |
| 15:42.28 | sys | zoran: yes yes, but that's not what i meant... i am going to do that anyway... you're right |
| 15:42.53 | pupnik | so chicago is still the only place to buy a N810 eh |
| 15:43.11 | zoran | cannot recall the exact name of conf file for ssh, but there is an option to disable root login from ssh |
| 15:43.21 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 15:43.39 | zoran | sys, for sshd |
| 15:43.49 | sys | zoran: /etc/ssh/sshd --> PermitRootLogin No |
| 15:43.58 | zoran | correct |
| 15:44.14 | zoran | you login as user, then su to root |
| 15:44.23 | zoran | or sudo gainroot |
| 15:44.36 | sys | but login via ssh as user and the su means: applet require root privilegdes |
| 15:44.51 | zoran | sys, change gainroot first, of course, not to be cut off of the device |
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| 15:45.34 | zoran | there is an MODE option, which should read "MODE=enabled #" |
| 15:45.50 | sys | zoran: just saw that. but i have to leave for a couple of minutes. |
| 15:45.53 | zoran | find doc about it _first_ |
| 15:45.59 | sys | ill be back later and do this :) |
| 15:46.04 | zoran | :) |
| 15:50.08 | Andy80 | why Planet Maemo is not updated in these days? |
| 15:50.20 | timelyx | did anyone file a bug? |
| 15:50.32 | timelyx | but i'm sure the fact that it's a weekend doesn't help matters |
| 15:51.03 | kulve | bug #2308 is about maemo.org being broken too often |
| 15:51.04 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 15:51.20 | kulve | vote there, if you agree |
| 15:51.25 | timelyx | garage has plenty of space on it atm |
| 15:51.38 | timelyx | and claims to have been up for 12 days |
| 15:53.21 | timelyx | heh, someone tried to visit /projcts |
| 15:55.40 | timelyx | one of the other servers has ~4g free |
| 15:55.48 | timelyx | which could be a problem, in a few years, i suppose |
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| 15:56.14 | timelyx | it's been up for >150 days (which isn't bad, although my box at work has been up for >200) |
| 15:56.43 | timelyx | i need to consider whether i want to switch to xen |
| 15:56.54 | timelyx | of course, w/ xen, uptime is kinda an odd thing to calculate |
| 15:57.06 | timelyx | my zones currently have uptimes of about 1 day, vs. 200days for the host |
| 15:57.19 | Andy80 | timelyx: who manage the maemo.org server? |
| 15:57.31 | timelyx | ferenc |
| 15:57.41 | timelyx | (one person) |
| 15:57.46 | Andy80 | ok |
| 15:57.59 | timelyx | if i thought something was critical, i'd give him a call |
| 15:58.01 | timelyx | i've done so in the past |
| 15:58.13 | timelyx | you guys haven't justified me ruining his weekend |
| 15:58.42 | Andy80 | no, don't worry, don't disturb him :) |
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| 16:01.12 | timelyx | note that technically bugging him is done via the web ui |
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| 16:02.45 | akv_ | anyone got gtalk working with itos2008? |
| 16:02.49 | zuh | timelyx: So one can complain that the website doesn't work through the website? I think I can see why fixing it takes some time... ;) |
| 16:05.45 | timelyx | zuh: *shrug* wfm |
| 16:05.51 | Andy80 | zuh: :D |
| 16:06.03 | timelyx | at mozilla.org, when bugzilla is down, nagios sends out pages |
| 16:06.26 | timelyx | for anything else, bugzilla receives reports, and nagios will send out pages if the reports aren't handled in a timely manner |
| 16:06.48 | timelyx | (actually, nagios will probably page people for hundreds of things, those are only 2) |
| 16:07.11 | Andy80 | anyway.,... I'm worried about applications for Os2008... |
| 16:07.26 | Andy80 | actually we have only 20 apps for os2008, while Os2007 has near 200 |
| 16:07.28 | timelyx | why? |
| 16:07.37 | Andy80 | the SDK was released lot of days ago |
| 16:07.45 | timelyx | the n810 has been around for a few weeks tops |
| 16:07.50 | Andy80 | and only few people have ported their apps to os2008 :( |
| 16:07.53 | timelyx | the n800 has been around for what, 10 months? |
| 16:08.12 | akv_ | Andy80: those apps will be ported..i'm not worried :) |
| 16:08.17 | kulve | you can't release an app, if it compiles in SDK. You have to test it |
| 16:08.31 | kulve | and you can't test it, if you don't have the device |
| 16:08.35 | Andy80 | kulve: ehm... same problem here :) |
| 16:08.54 | pupnik | lets hope the N9x0 will have 2x or 4x the space on root filesystem |
| 16:08.54 | Andy80 | I just ported SPIM to Chinook, but I cannot test it yet |
| 16:08.55 | kulve | yeah, that's the reason there is no apps for n810 yet :) |
| 16:09.05 | akv_ | itos2008 looks very promising |
| 16:09.13 | zuh | Andy80: It was the same with 2005&2006 and 2006&2007 too... |
| 16:09.14 | timelyx | pupnik: you do realize that the naming convention at nokia isn't remotely close to sane, right? |
| 16:09.14 | kulve | pupnik: why? |
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| 16:09.41 | pupnik | because many games take up 5-20 megs and one about 200 megs for data |
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| 16:09.56 | Andy80 | pupnik: you could put data on the SD card |
| 16:10.02 | timelyx | kulve: last i checked, apt wasn't friendly to installing apps outside of the standard unix paths |
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| 16:10.13 | zoran | depends where installer puts it |
| 16:10.14 | timelyx | Andy80: fwiw, that's actually a losing proposition |
| 16:10.19 | timelyx | i just played w/ an n81-8g |
| 16:10.29 | timelyx | and believe me, you're *very* unhappy when you plug it in via usb |
| 16:10.33 | timelyx | either your apps go haywire |
| 16:10.47 | timelyx | or your system refuses to export usb until you guess which apps are using the device |
| 16:10.51 | timelyx | good luck |
| 16:11.01 | Andy80 | timelyx: that's true... |
| 16:11.05 | pupnik | i could make an install script in the deb package to symlink /usr/local/share to a dir on mmc |
| 16:11.11 | timelyx | konttori: my n81 8gb is full |
| 16:11.18 | timelyx | podcaster refuses to download more stuff |
| 16:11.22 | timelyx | it's complaining i'm out of space |
| 16:11.25 | timelyx | :) |
| 16:11.31 | Andy80 | N81? lucky you :) I still have my N73 ;) |
| 16:11.37 | konttori | yeah, well, 8 gigs is still quite good starting point |
| 16:11.44 | timelyx | Andy80: all actions are logged |
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| 16:11.52 | timelyx | konttori: i filled it up in what, 3 days? |
| 16:12.05 | timelyx | i don't think there's any reasonable way to unfill or manage it |
| 16:12.06 | konttori | otoh n810 and the 2 gb would also be pretty good if we had it in ext fs. |
| 16:12.10 | Andy80 | timelyx: why? I mean,.. why they're logged? |
| 16:12.23 | konttori | I filled it immediately (although upload took about 3 hours via usb |
| 16:12.27 | timelyx | Andy80: anyone here mentioning this toy is participating in a study |
| 16:12.33 | konttori | anyway, I have now 1 gb of free space |
| 16:12.36 | timelyx | we promise to have our actions logged |
| 16:12.41 | timelyx | konttori: i have <1/2gb free |
| 16:12.51 | timelyx | and whatever the number is, it's small enough that podcaster won't download |
| 16:12.52 | konttori | plenty of room for picodrive ;) |
| 16:12.55 | pupnik | agree konttori - at least the developer can assume the 2GB will not be removed on N810 - i believe it is mmc2? |
| 16:13.00 | Andy80 | timelyx: ahhh ok ok... something like "debug" version :) |
| 16:13.03 | suihkulokki | I wonder if the keylogger works when you run out of space =) |
| 16:13.04 | konttori | yeah. |
| 16:13.07 | timelyx | Andy80: not really |
| 16:13.14 | timelyx | pupnik: no |
| 16:13.21 | pupnik | mmc1? |
| 16:13.22 | _Monkey | rumour has it mmc1 is accessible |
| 16:13.25 | timelyx | usb works the same way on the n810 as it does on the n81 |
| 16:13.29 | konttori | and you cal always require the internal (mmc2) to be present. (or fall back to mmc1 if it isn't) |
| 16:13.31 | timelyx | you attach it, and the mmcs go away |
| 16:13.46 | timelyx | if you have open files when this happens |
| 16:13.49 | timelyx | bad things will probably happen |
| 16:13.49 | konttori | internal is mmc2, external mmc1 |
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| 16:14.13 | konttori | well, it won't mount mmc to usb if it's in use |
| 16:14.14 | timelyx | browser team is currently trying to determine just how bad |
| 16:14.17 | Andy80 | anyway, 2 gb on mmc2 is a lot of space :) |
| 16:14.26 | timelyx | konttori: define in use? |
| 16:14.31 | konttori | so, bad things won't happen, it just won't mount to your desktop |
| 16:14.46 | konttori | as in it has read / write locks to any files on the mmc |
| 16:14.54 | konttori | as in any application has such locks |
| 16:14.56 | timelyx | if it's between locks... |
| 16:15.10 | suihkulokki | due to the circumstances mentioned by timelyx (+ some others, mainly that you have to use FAT), I have become to the conclusion that mass storage mode for USB must die |
| 16:15.12 | Andy80 | uhm.... no... wait..... if mmc2 is not accessible... how can I transfer files to it from my desktop? |
| 16:15.15 | timelyx | or has already asserted the file system exists but hasn't locked yet |
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| 16:15.27 | pupnik | anyway, big game data can't sensibly be put into a .deb anyway, as it needs to be downloaded first to the apt cache |
| 16:15.41 | konttori | true |
| 16:15.41 | timelyx | suihkulokki: the right solution is probably a proxy |
| 16:15.52 | zoran | anyway, is it fat formatted? |
| 16:15.53 | timelyx | which doesn't provide raw access if the system is in some mode |
| 16:15.57 | trevarthan | anyone know the default device lock code on the n810 firmware? |
| 16:15.58 | timelyx | but instead offers emulated access |
| 16:16.03 | timelyx | the perf would be much worse |
| 16:16.08 | timelyx | but at least you could share |
| 16:16.08 | konttori | 12345 |
| 16:16.12 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.14 | timelyx | yes |
| 16:16.17 | timelyx | but it's in the manual |
| 16:16.21 | timelyx | why didn't you read it? |
| 16:16.22 | timelyx | bad boy |
| 16:16.32 | trevarthan | no. 12345 doesn't work |
| 16:16.43 | sys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.52 | konttori | timelyx: yeah, emulated fat would be an ideal solution |
| 16:16.57 | trevarthan | even on the leaked n810 firmware? |
| 16:17.03 | konttori | for mounting through usb |
| 16:17.12 | timelyx | trevarthan: oh, you don't have the manual because you stole the firmware? |
| 16:17.14 | konttori | try 1234 and 0000 |
| 16:17.20 | timelyx | i think i left my n810 manual at work :) |
| 16:17.33 | trevarthan | nope |
| 16:17.41 | zoran | or mrroring to nas and rotating in appropriate way |
| 16:17.55 | konttori | 00000? |
| 16:18.13 | Andy80 | n810 manual is available on Nokia website already... |
| 16:18.15 | konttori | if you had restored setting from n800, perhaps you had set your own lock code on n800 |
| 16:18.27 | suihkulokki | konttori: even emulated fat is risky.. the mounting OS does not expect FAT sectors to get modified |
| 16:18.34 | trevarthan | I didn't restore anything |
| 16:18.36 | timelyx | yeah, flashing won't change the lock (minor bugs noted) |
| 16:18.41 | trevarthan | ah |
| 16:19.02 | trevarthan | yup. I had one set. cool. thanks. |
| 16:19.10 | konttori | suihkulokki: then there's always samba ;) |
| 16:19.10 | timelyx | suihkulokki: you could probably cheat |
| 16:19.13 | timelyx | not sure how well it'd work |
| 16:19.14 | zoran | why in inner card formatted in fat? |
| 16:19.22 | timelyx | so it'll mount anywhere |
| 16:19.33 | timelyx | (win, mac, lin, sol, ...) |
| 16:19.41 | suihkulokki | konttori: amusingly that is what motorola linux phones do =) |
| 16:19.42 | timelyx | as mentioned above, it's usb mass storage |
| 16:19.47 | konttori | Or webdav / sftp and requirement to use pcsuite to access it ;) |
| 16:20.06 | timelyx | how dare you mention pcsuite? |
| 16:20.07 | trevarthan | lock code dialog is much easier to use in chinook. Looks like I'll actually get to lock my device now. |
| 16:20.18 | konttori | well, some nokia provided application |
| 16:20.26 | Andy80 | timelyx: is the inner card available (mounted) on your desktop when you plug in the usb cable? |
| 16:20.26 | konttori | pcsuite just came to my mind as an example |
| 16:20.43 | suihkulokki | something like MTP and fuse thing to mount it on linux would work great |
| 16:20.44 | timelyx | Andy80: i'm fairly certain it did the last time i tried |
| 16:20.47 | konttori | that could of course be used to transfer safely files |
| 16:20.49 | konttori | ;) |
| 16:20.56 | Andy80 | timelyx: thanks :) |
| 16:21.02 | timelyx | konttori: "be used" and "safely"? |
| 16:21.03 | suihkulokki | windows supports mtp too so it's almost as easy as mass storage |
| 16:21.04 | timelyx | ... |
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| 16:21.12 | timelyx | what's mtp? |
| 16:21.23 | suihkulokki | media transfer protocol |
| 16:21.24 | trevarthan | konttori: timelyx: BTW, I got subversion installed. All I had to do was add the repo in /etc/apt/sources.lst or whatever and then I could install it from the appmngr |
| 16:21.29 | timelyx | Andy80: please don't take my word for that one |
| 16:21.53 | timelyx | suihkulokki: file a request? |
| 16:21.55 | trevarthan | kontori: BTW, I really like the new horizontal scrolling mechanism in UKMP. Very nice. |
| 16:22.00 | timelyx | that seems more than reasonable |
| 16:22.07 | trevarthan | I like the new theme a lot too. |
| 16:22.10 | timelyx | (not necessarily exclusive, but certainly available) |
| 16:22.17 | timelyx | trevarthan: plankton's better |
| 16:22.32 | Andy80 | timelyx: it's just to understant if the inner card is available ONLY for internal use (by system apps ecc...) or if, for example, I can transfer mp3, avi ecc... to it. that's all :) |
| 16:22.35 | trevarthan | timelyx: I'm talking about UKMP, not the OS. |
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| 16:22.50 | konttori | trevarthan: thanks |
| 16:23.27 | konttori | trevarthan: did you notice that it's now doing the reflection on the fly. |
| 16:23.29 | zoran | what stops date to traffic to inner card? |
| 16:23.33 | konttori | Instead of on load time. |
| 16:23.34 | zoran | *data |
| 16:23.58 | trevarthan | no. I haven't looked at the code. We're doing that in Kagu too though. We don't cache reflections anymore. |
| 16:24.14 | konttori | When I realized that, I started thingking that by a different kind of layout that could be used for some really nice effects. |
| 16:24.32 | konttori | so you calculate reflections for every frame as well? |
| 16:24.53 | trevarthan | yeah. typically we only have one image on screen at a time, so it's no big deal. |
| 16:25.22 | konttori | hey, are you using the media database now from the media framework? |
| 16:25.27 | konttori | the sqlite db |
| 16:25.43 | trevarthan | mmm... no. we're still using our own sqlite db. |
| 16:25.53 | trevarthan | what's the media framework? |
| 16:26.09 | konttori | ahh,.. there is a pre-made db in ~/.data or something. |
| 16:26.35 | trevarthan | The chances that it has everything we need are pretty slim I bet. |
| 16:26.37 | konttori | well, the devices own media player has the harvester process that harvests id3 information for all meadia files automatically. |
| 16:26.42 | konttori | true |
| 16:26.42 | trevarthan | We're always adding indexes and stuff. |
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| 16:27.02 | trevarthan | I'll check it out though. |
| 16:27.06 | konttori | funnily enough, that db doesn't have any indexes (might explain a little why the medai playr is a bit slow) |
| 16:27.47 | trevarthan | arg. where the hell did I get that sqlite3 command from now? rrrrr... |
| 16:28.03 | trevarthan | I hate having to hunt down all my programs after a firmware change. |
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| 16:30.01 | erich141 | anyone remember the name of an applet which sit in the taskbar, shows CPU activity and let you kill CPU hoggers? |
| 16:30.47 | pupnik | osso-statusbar-cpu? cpu-load-applet? |
| 16:31.18 | trevarthan | someone needs to port those to chinook |
| 16:31.41 | alterego | Someone . |
| 16:31.56 | konttori | what sqlite3 command do you mean? |
| 16:31.58 | kaltsi | we need to hire that Someone |
| 16:32.08 | kulve | maybe Someone should first sell device able to run Chinook. Or provide Chinook for the old devices.. |
| 16:32.20 | konttori | load applet can be found from garage. |
| 16:32.23 | alterego | I'd do it if you paid me :) |
| 16:32.25 | konttori | it works on chinook |
| 16:32.36 | konttori | and it's done by Jakub Pavelek and he's already hired by Nokia |
| 16:32.44 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:33.17 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 16:33.23 | suihkulokki | is maemo-mapper available for chinook? |
| 16:33.27 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2065/load-applet_0.8.0-1_armel.deb |
| 16:33.30 | konttori | yeah, it is |
| 16:33.41 | trevarthan | konttori: there's an sqlite3 binary floating around somewhere for sqlite3 cli access on the device |
| 16:34.11 | konttori | ahh... I don't know. I'm just porting pysqlitegui for the device. |
| 16:34.23 | konttori | should be an even nicer way to test stuff. |
| 16:34.43 | konttori | it already works, just needs hildonization and stuff. |
| 16:35.48 | trevarthan | ah. missing wget. crap |
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| 16:40.15 | alterego | WOO! |
| 16:40.21 | alterego | Ruby applets d00d! |
| 16:40.43 | sys | :D |
| 16:40.59 | alterego | It's taken a week but they work ^_^ |
| 16:41.15 | alterego | Well, probably about 30 hours. |
| 16:41.29 | alterego | Actually, more like 10. |
| 16:42.45 | pupnik | damn pingus theme song... get out of my brain! |
| 16:44.49 | suihkulokki | pupnik: watch this to get rid of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNDh_tFIHn4 |
| 16:47.37 | konttori | ahh... pysqlitegui is quite slow when using it on the device. |
| 16:47.48 | konttori | probably the glade + gtk combination is slowing it down |
| 16:48.46 | trevarthan | konttori: is that the same as this? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sqlite3sg/ |
| 16:49.11 | konttori | nope. |
| 16:49.16 | konttori | is that a good one? |
| 16:49.23 | konttori | I haven't tested that. |
| 16:50.01 | konttori | Have to test it before wasting time on something that has been done already |
| 16:50.08 | konttori | thanks for the tip |
| 16:50.45 | trevarthan | never used it. I like the CLI, personally. |
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| 17:01.26 | penguinbait | I am wanting to take a poll in here, I think Maemo Mapper is the best GPS software for linux period!, I am trying to find another program for Linux but can not find anything even close to maemo mapper, I used to use gpsdrive,but its crap compared to MM. I want to con Gnuite into creating another version for laptops. Any other progs I am not thinking of |
| 17:02.56 | alterego | maemo mapper is pretty cool. |
| 17:03.14 | penguinbait | It really is |
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| 17:05.17 | elb | it really depends on what you want |
| 17:05.35 | elb | xastir has some features to recommend it, though it's quite arcane and somewhat primitive |
| 17:05.41 | elb | but it *does* understand shapefiles |
| 17:06.39 | konttori | by the way, the pymapper (the python copy ) is pretty good as well. Not nearly as good as maemo mapper, but pretty goon nevertheless |
| 17:06.53 | konttori | might be a good startingpoint for a multiplatform project |
| 17:07.24 | konttori | gnuite has done really good job with maemo mapper in any case |
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| 17:10.53 | penguinbait | I want a good program to run under KDE, and maemo mapper works OK, but its not designed for that type of window manager |
| 17:11.40 | penguinbait | Absolutely, that why I think Gnuite should port a laptop aimed version, it would be a huge success |
| 17:12.03 | kaltsi | how about google earth |
| 17:12.03 | _Monkey | google earth is a closed-source, winelib-based program, right? So I'd guess no. |
| 17:12.22 | elb | shut up, _Monkey |
| 17:12.23 | _Monkey | elb: what? |
| 17:12.55 | elb | kaltsi: Google Earth really solves a different problem |
| 17:13.19 | elb | and it doesn't run offline |
| 17:13.32 | kaltsi | good point |
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| 17:17.41 | czr | evenink |
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| 17:19.03 | alterego | Aloha czr |
| 17:19.17 | czr | hey alterego. how is it goin? |
| 17:19.33 | alterego | Not bad. I've made quite a bit of progress on the plugin front ;) |
| 17:19.43 | czr | great, did you find out what the problem was? |
| 17:19.46 | alterego | It loads and executes ruby scripts fine now |
| 17:19.48 | czr | or there were several? :-) |
| 17:19.58 | alterego | I rewrote things and it started to work. |
| 17:20.20 | czr | ah, the old "rewrite everything until it works"-trick? :-) |
| 17:20.36 | alterego | Yes, this version is a lot nicer. Gives me cool error messages. |
| 17:20.58 | czr | I have a massive headache |
| 17:21.08 | alterego | Unforunately I'm having another problem now. Suprise :) |
| 17:21.25 | czr | heh. time for another rewrite? :-) |
| 17:21.35 | alterego | Neah |
| 17:21.41 | alterego | Not the whole thing anyway ^_^ |
| 17:22.06 | alterego | I'm getting this wonderful error: 'can't convert false to string' |
| 17:22.09 | czr | I think I'm going to try to follow my step by step on ARM side |
| 17:22.11 | alterego | It's coming from ruby |
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| 17:22.20 | czr | heh. sounds promising :-) |
| 17:22.26 | czr | maybe a NULL pointer? |
| 17:22.30 | elb | that sounds like a ruby problem |
| 17:22.38 | elb | false.to_s should return "false" |
| 17:22.39 | alterego | It is a ruby problem :P |
| 17:22.55 | alterego | My problem is, where is this problem occuring. |
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| 17:23.12 | czr | ah, don't you just wish you'd have arbitrary backtracing capability |
| 17:23.28 | czr | i.e., see an error message, and then just backtrack from there until you see what the problem is. post-mortem |
| 17:23.30 | mariorz | hi, where are the doc for installing software on 770? |
| 17:23.33 | mariorz | docs |
| 17:23.49 | c0ffee | czr, the undodb (replacing gdb) does exactly that |
| 17:24.11 | czr | c0ffee, hmm. it requires a core to work with? |
| 17:24.25 | c0ffee | well, it's like gdb |
| 17:24.38 | c0ffee | actually it has the same ui, so you can use it with ddd and others |
| 17:24.39 | czr | ok. so either a core or pre-emptive breakpoints and thingies |
| 17:24.44 | czr | link? |
| 17:25.11 | c0ffee | unhttp://undo-software.com/ |
| 17:25.17 | czr | I'm not a great fan of gdb though, but still |
| 17:25.19 | czr | hah |
| 17:25.19 | c0ffee | without the leading un actually :) |
| 17:25.28 | czr | it does fit though :-) |
| 17:25.44 | c0ffee | it's closed source stuff thou |
| 17:25.50 | czr | so it seems |
| 17:25.55 | c0ffee | however, for opensource and/or research stuff, you get a free license |
| 17:26.05 | czr | "Horrible bugs such as race conditions and memory corruption that previously took weeks to find can now be found in minutes." |
| 17:26.06 | elb | gdb is very powerful |
| 17:26.11 | czr | I wonder how they manage to do that.. |
| 17:26.19 | c0ffee | well |
| 17:26.26 | czr | most race conditions I run into are bad design mistakes/assumptions. |
| 17:26.33 | c0ffee | i have a program for example that manipulates a few gigabytes of memory |
| 17:26.34 | elb | there are many tools for embedded systems which allow rollback and rewind |
| 17:26.42 | c0ffee | and now after days of processing it suddendly dies |
| 17:26.56 | c0ffee | finding a minimal test case that i can actually forward debug takes weeks |
| 17:26.56 | alterego | Gutted :P |
| 17:27.01 | czr | counds fun c0ffee. undb helped that? |
| 17:27.05 | czr | sounds even |
| 17:27.14 | c0ffee | if i can just step back a few steps and see what actually did cause the bug, it's pretty easy |
| 17:27.28 | czr | the bug caused termination? |
| 17:27.40 | c0ffee | a segfault |
| 17:27.40 | _Monkey | a segfault is, like, from trying to get listings |
| 17:27.46 | konttori | by the way, google earth runs offline. (someone was commenting that earlier) |
| 17:27.49 | c0ffee | and the backtrace didn't point to the cause of the bug |
| 17:27.54 | czr | right |
| 17:27.59 | c0ffee | it's like function a corrupts the data |
| 17:28.01 | c0ffee | but terminates |
| 17:28.04 | c0ffee | and function b dies |
| 17:28.06 | czr | actually I remember seeing something similar for some DOS debugger, ages ago |
| 17:28.18 | c0ffee | anyway, food & |
| 17:28.21 | czr | maybe it's something stack-related |
| 17:28.28 | czr | stack-corrupting bugs are always fun |
| 17:29.07 | czr | anyhow, looks interesting. thanks for the link c0ffee |
| 17:30.42 | kaltsi | how about chronicle.. http://code.google.com/p/chronicle-recorder/ |
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| 17:31.30 | czr | hmm. something that I'd implement. sounds heavy duty though, thanks for that link too :-) |
| 17:31.44 | czr | valgrind is a memory/cpu hog really when dealing with complex stuff |
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| 17:31.53 | czr | also callgrind is somewhat wanting |
| 17:32.08 | czr | (the cache model is ok, but the CPU/instruction model is way off, and it doesn't have TLB modelling at all) |
| 17:32.30 | czr | plus it makes the program run at 1% of real speed, but I could live with that :-) |
| 17:33.43 | kaltsi | this undodb also requires you to run the program in it |
| 17:34.00 | czr | valgrind does as well. |
| 17:34.17 | kaltsi | hence the 'also' :) |
| 17:34.32 | czr | ah. I thought it was 'also' as in suprising :-) |
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| 17:35.26 | alterego | Oh .. |
| 17:35.31 | alterego | I think I know what the problem is. |
| 17:35.48 | alterego | That's interesting. |
| 17:37.04 | alterego | I think the problem is .. There _is_ no error. |
| 17:37.22 | czr | ah. reminds me of the clasical "Error 0: No error" dialog in old win32 netscape. |
| 17:37.36 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:37.41 | czr | it was really funny |
| 17:38.49 | czr | hmm. bleh. I have to apply the application manager fix on the armel side as well |
| 17:39.36 | K`zan | Morning all! |
| 17:40.32 | konttori | ahh... seems like the pysqlitegui and the sqlite3sg are both done using plain gtk and are unusably slow on the device. |
| 17:40.51 | elb | czr: yeah, something I use likes to say "Fatal Error: Success" |
| 17:40.53 | czr | ooh. AM fails in a horrible death like way on the ARMEL |
| 17:40.55 | elb | but I forget what |
| 17:41.04 | konttori | translates to: either the command line tool or I have to write a new tool for it. |
| 17:41.07 | elb | it's checking errno somewhere inappropriate |
| 17:41.07 | czr | elb, sounds about right. probably the same team wrote that as did the netscape ;-) |
| 17:41.13 | konttori | crap. |
| 17:41.19 | kaltsi | czr do you -need- to run them in armel.. probably won't work |
| 17:41.35 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:41.42 | czr | kaltsi, it doesn't |
| 17:41.44 | elb | czr: the problem is, errno and strerror only work for certain functions -- and many programmers check them for other functions ;-) |
| 17:41.44 | shackan | valgrind does NOT run on arm |
| 17:41.47 | alterego | scratchbox just segfaulted and dumped me out :/ |
| 17:41.51 | czr | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264 |
| 17:42.09 | kaltsi | czr yep that's to be expected.. there be dragons |
| 17:42.11 | czr | kaltsi, just wanted to test whether my package building thingy works on ARMEL. |
| 17:42.13 | alterego | No, I can get around all those now ;) |
| 17:42.26 | czr | kaltsi, yup. it's not critical, I'll test on the devices next |
| 17:42.53 | czr | elb, they do? silly of them :-) |
| 17:43.14 | czr | although the whole errno business is a bit silly IMHO. not that I'm saying that it should be changed. too late now, but still. |
| 17:43.28 | czr | I really like the way that kernel returns the errors in pointers |
| 17:43.48 | elb | well, that's a different situation |
| 17:43.50 | czr | although that obviously works for functions that'd return a pointer, but still. |
| 17:44.16 | czr | bleh. I always forget there's no VKB on the n810 |
| 17:44.33 | alterego | I thought there was a VKB |
| 17:44.40 | alterego | That's ghey >:( |
| 17:44.42 | konttori | you can get vkb if you want |
| 17:44.46 | czr | konttori, how? |
| 17:44.50 | konttori | setting is in control panel |
| 17:45.00 | konttori | input methods |
| 17:45.05 | czr | ah. didn't know that |
| 17:45.19 | konttori | probably disabled by default for n810 configuration |
| 17:45.34 | czr | at least was on this device |
| 17:47.38 | czr | hmm. is anyone running os2007 on a n800 here? |
| 17:49.00 | alterego | Cool .. Now it's segfaulting O_O |
| 17:49.12 | sp3000 | czr: what kind of odd luddites would those be |
| 17:49.37 | czr | sp3000, care to test whether my package will install on it? |
| 17:49.43 | sp3000 | the second-to-latest one even, for extra credit |
| 17:49.47 | czr | ooh |
| 17:50.08 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/hhwx_0.1-1_armel.deb |
| 17:50.14 | czr | built using 4.0 really |
| 17:50.24 | czr | so I'm just curious what will happen with it on 2007 |
| 17:50.36 | czr | 770 with pre 1.0 images? :-) |
| 17:50.47 | czr | with the ugly orange button version too? |
| 17:50.51 | sp3000 | heh |
| 17:50.51 | czr | that'd be really oldskool :-) |
| 17:52.46 | czr | sp3000, how about it? |
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| 17:54.30 | sp3000 | appmgr complains about dependencies |
| 17:54.39 | czr | ok. good to know |
| 17:54.57 | czr | probably realted to the great hildonlib renaming break that happened |
| 17:55.04 | czr | it's looking for libhildon-1 and libhildon-fm-2 |
| 17:55.15 | sp3000 | (atk,c,dbus,gconf,glib,gtk,hildon,osso,pango) |
| 17:55.30 | czr | hmm. the other libs should be ok methinks |
| 17:55.41 | czr | it's only those two that were renamed between 3.2 -> 4.0 afair |
| 17:56.01 | czr | pretty ironic that only the names have been changed, otherwise the program would run quite nicely |
| 17:56.11 | czr | sp3000, thanks for testing. |
| 17:56.15 | sp3000 | np |
| 17:56.28 | czr | was too lazy to reflash 2007 back onto the n800 |
| 17:59.02 | sp3000 | czr: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/244944 |
| 17:59.30 | czr | oh. ok then :-) not just the two libs :-) |
| 17:59.32 | czr | thanks a lot |
| 17:59.45 | czr | ah yes. the libc break as well. |
| 18:00.08 | czr | I guess one would have to fix the libdeps manually in order to support older versions |
| 18:00.14 | czr | but that's too painful |
| 18:00.44 | mariorz | whats the dif between bora and mistral on the repositorys |
| 18:00.51 | mariorz | ? |
| 18:01.06 | mariorz | are they really for dif distros? |
| 18:01.22 | mariorz | i seem to be able to install from both |
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| 18:07.36 | czr | long night ahead :-) |
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| 18:10.42 | alterego | :) |
| 18:12.16 | pupnik | "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." - Hunter S. Thompson |
| 18:13.04 | alterego | Well, now it's all working okay. I need to create a nice interface for setting up plugins from the ruby side. |
| 18:15.43 | mariorz | exit |
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| 18:27.19 | mariorz | how do i type alt or ctrl from x terminal on the 770? |
| 18:31.39 | pupnik | i think that's a menu option - if not you need to get the newest xterm |
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| 18:35.45 | czr | hmm. af-sb-init.sh stop doesn't work on ARMEL side |
| 18:36.38 | czr | killall ftw |
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| 18:37.33 | alterego | killall -s 15 ! |
| 18:37.53 | czr | eh, isn't TERM default anyway? |
| 18:38.00 | alterego | Don't know |
| 18:38.19 | czr | it is |
| 18:38.31 | czr | so all your -s 15 is pretty.. useless :-) |
| 18:38.35 | alterego | I just have a vague memory of it not killing things properly with no signal specified. |
| 18:38.52 | czr | neh. -s 9 if you run against that |
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| 18:41.37 | czr | wei shenma? rugou ni yao zhongren, ni bu hui coding in maemo. |
| 18:41.41 | alterego | Hmm .. I've ran into another problem now. |
| 18:42.15 | alterego | I need to link against a ruby extension (.so) that's in the ruby sitearchdir .. |
| 18:43.23 | alterego | This is something I don't know how to do at all :/ |
| 18:45.54 | czr | -Lpath |
| 18:46.05 | czr | tells ld which directory to also use when linking |
| 18:46.20 | czr | although at runtime it will become somewhat hairy. can't you use dlopen or similar? |
| 18:46.23 | alterego | Yeah, do you think that'll work when these extensions are dlopen'd by ruby? |
| 18:46.43 | alterego | Well .. My extensions link fine .. |
| 18:46.45 | alterego | I wonder how. |
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| 18:47.49 | alterego | It's interesting that ldd doesn't show them as being linked .. |
| 18:48.59 | czr | I know 0 about ruby |
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| 18:49.48 | czr | problemsSolved+=1 |
| 18:50.17 | czr | any other ruby lovas? :-) |
| 18:50.35 | K`zan | Silly question probably, but why is it that 2007 apps won't work in 2008? |
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| 18:50.46 | czr | K`zan, different libc version |
| 18:50.54 | alterego | different everything version :) |
| 18:50.55 | czr | K`zan, also some libs underwent name changes |
| 18:50.56 | K`zan | Ah, OK, that makes sense :-( |
| 18:51.01 | czr | diff gtk version too methinks |
| 18:51.13 | alterego | Yeah, 2.10 as opposed to 2.6 |
| 18:51.14 | K`zan | 2008 is up one app from yesterday :). |
| 18:51.51 | K`zan | But I think judging that from the maemo repositories is misleading, MM is out for 2008 now. |
| 18:52.08 | K`zan | Will be glad when xchat gets here :-). |
| 18:52.24 | alterego | You could always compile it yourself. |
| 18:52.30 | alterego | I'm sure you can get the project source from them. |
| 18:52.49 | K`zan | Then again MM (maemo mapper) may not be, I notice it refuses to load maps when you are zoomed in reasonably tight. |
| 18:53.14 | zuh | K`zan: The amount of ported apps will surely grow faster when the devices hit the streets... |
| 18:53.36 | K`zan | alterego: I started putting together the dev stuff, just got deb4 installed in a vm, got to do the scratchbox and SDK which were a bit confusing - just haven't gotten back to it. |
| 18:53.45 | K`zan | zuh: Most likely :-). |
| 18:53.53 | alterego | scratchbox is easy. |
| 18:54.00 | alterego | Just apt-get the packages you require. |
| 18:54.05 | K`zan | Easy for you to say :). |
| 18:54.12 | alterego | Setting up the SDK's is pretty easy. |
| 18:54.40 | alterego | You've just reminded me. I was going to write a couple of patches for the maemo-sdk installers that allows you to specify the SDK names. |
| 18:54.43 | K`zan | It has been YEARS since I did any serious PC level software development - been putzing around in microcontrollers for a while. |
| 18:55.03 | alterego | Woo, Chinese dinner is here! |
| 18:55.07 | alterego | That was quick .. |
| 18:55.10 | K`zan | So many years, I'd be embarrased to say how many :-). |
| 18:55.23 | czr | K`zan, 30? |
| 18:55.35 | K`zan | Almost... |
| 18:56.02 | K`zan | Closer to 20 actually <blush> |
| 18:56.29 | K`zan | Like riding a bicycle I hope :). |
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| 18:59.14 | K`zan | Gonna run the battery down in the n800 today... |
| 18:59.56 | alterego | Can't be that many years then ;) |
| 19:00.02 | K`zan | Would be nice if one could select power level per connection. Here at home 10mw would do since the AP is less than 5' away... |
| 19:00.09 | K`zan | Feels like it :) |
| 19:00.41 | alterego | That's just being an adult. |
| 19:00.45 | alterego | Doesn't make you old ;) |
| 19:01.09 | K`zan | No, doesn't. Just makes you feel old LOL! |
| 19:01.31 | K`zan | Can't do the multi-day all night and dayers anymore. |
| 19:01.35 | alterego | I'm gonna have to swim for a week to burn off all this food :/ |
| 19:01.45 | K`zan | :-) |
| 19:02.11 | K`zan | With oriental, you'll be hungry in an hour. |
| 19:02.39 | K`zan | We have a really GREAT oriental place here, today seems like a good day to patronize them. |
| 19:02.42 | alterego | I'm always hungry. That's not the point :P |
| 19:02.52 | K`zan | LOL, understand that. |
| 19:03.14 | alterego | Where do you live? |
| 19:03.22 | K`zan | Good news here as of yesterday I guess is that bacon is no longer bad for you, now it is good for you. |
| 19:03.32 | K`zan | Seattle, home of the evil empire. |
| 19:03.37 | elb | oh? |
| 19:03.41 | czr | K`zan, which one? :-) |
| 19:03.42 | elb | bring on the bacon |
| 19:03.44 | alterego | And Kurt ;) |
| 19:03.52 | czr | there's so many evil empires to choose from nowadays |
| 19:04.01 | K`zan | Heh, here there are so many evil empires, starting with the local "government"... |
| 19:04.04 | K`zan | Right. |
| 19:04.08 | alterego | That's good I started the day of with a bacon sandwich |
| 19:04.24 | K`zan | Wonder when it will be bad for you again? |
| 19:04.27 | elb | man I want a BLT |
| 19:04.34 | elb | K`zan: how did it become good? |
| 19:04.47 | elb | last news I read was that preserved meats are carcinogenic |
| 19:04.50 | elb | which includes bacon |
| 19:04.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:05.02 | K`zan | Would be nice, but only nitro ripened and picked 6 months ago orangish stuff in the stores. |
| 19:05.19 | K`zan | elb: Secret: you ain't gonna get out of this alive :-). |
| 19:05.44 | elb | heh I start my day most mornings with eggs over easy, sausage, and griddle-fried toast |
| 19:06.06 | elb | so that's salmonella, cholesterol, fat, oil, and blah blah blah |
| 19:06.12 | elb | but man is it good |
| 19:06.18 | K`zan | elb, Damnifiknow, too much news too much bad research (commerical / political "science"). Coffee was the last one bad / good /bad before this one that I recall. |
| 19:06.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:06.27 | elb | coffee is all good ;-) |
| 19:06.35 | alterego | Coffee is good. |
| 19:06.38 | elb | anti-oxidants out the wazoo |
| 19:06.40 | K`zan | Ah, yes, latest is good :). |
| 19:06.44 | alterego | Stops liver disease |
| 19:06.49 | K`zan | Glad as I drink about 3 pots a day :). |
| 19:06.59 | K`zan | Home roasted and ground :). |
| 19:07.00 | elb | caffeine has been suspect over the years, but latest is that it's OK, too |
| 19:07.05 | K`zan | Not commercial swill. |
| 19:07.08 | elb | (in moderation, of course) |
| 19:07.15 | elb | yeah, I roast my own |
| 19:07.18 | K`zan | Makes people productive, can't be having that. |
| 19:07.19 | elb | the only way to go :-) |
| 19:07.22 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:07.44 | alterego | I don't notice much of an effect with coffee. |
| 19:07.45 | K`zan | Agree *completely*, even the gormet stuff is rancid by the time you get to it. |
| 19:07.48 | elb | well, it lowers blood pressure and heart rate |
| 19:07.49 | alterego | Unless I've had _too_ much. |
| 19:07.59 | elb | it used to be believed that it was hard on the cardiovascular system |
| 19:07.59 | K`zan | alterego: You just need good coffee :). |
| 19:08.12 | alterego | I have good coffee :P |
| 19:08.13 | elb | but it turns out that, for regular consumers and in moderation, it's not |
| 19:08.19 | alterego | I don't ever make it at home. |
| 19:08.26 | alterego | Well, I do at weekends in the morning. |
| 19:08.33 | elb | it does trigger arrhythmia in some people who are sensitive |
| 19:08.37 | K`zan | I can no longer handle the swill you get out, even starbucks is crap. |
| 19:08.48 | elb | starbucks is worse than most of the other swill |
| 19:08.50 | alterego | Normally I go to this nice Italian cafe or polish |
| 19:08.56 | elb | I prefer generic gas station coffee over starbucks |
| 19:09.06 | elb | Flying J dominates all over Starbucks ;-) |
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| 19:09.13 | K`zan | Regular restraunt swill is disgusting, at least you can generally choke starbucks stuff down :) |
| 19:09.31 | alterego | Starbucks is too fruity for my tastes |
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| 19:09.46 | elb | man, I disagree -- Starbucks "house blend" is as bad as the worst restaurant brew |
| 19:09.47 | K`zan | The store, employees or the coffee itself ;-)? |
| 19:10.05 | alterego | You missed the vital ingredients. |
| 19:10.11 | elb | some of their other beans, and their espressos, are a notch up the scale from restaurant junk |
| 19:10.11 | alterego | (The customers :P |
| 19:10.13 | K`zan | I quit doing it out, no idea if there even is anything acceptable out there anymore). |
| 19:10.20 | K`zan | LOL, too true. |
| 19:10.28 | K`zan | Pretentious lot generally. |
| 19:10.28 | mariorz | lates are gay |
| 19:10.37 | czr | so are typos |
| 19:10.39 | elb | lattes have no sexual orientation, in fact |
| 19:10.46 | K`zan | LOL, errand bbiab. |
| 19:10.54 | elb | and they're a perfectly respectable drink, they just aren't *coffee* |
| 19:10.54 | czr | elb, you have empirical evidence? |
| 19:11.00 | pupnik | dunn brothers is best coffee - if you're ever in Minneapolis, it is a must-visit |
| 19:11.12 | elb | czr: yeah, there aren't even any living cells to *have* orientation |
| 19:11.13 | alterego | Latte is just milk :P |
| 19:11.28 | elb | alterego: Café Latte, if you will ;-) |
| 19:11.37 | czr | elb, I'm sure the milk part introduces at least some bacterias :-) |
| 19:11.38 | alterego | I quite like Cafe Latte's |
| 19:11.44 | elb | pupnik: home roast almost certainly dominates it ;-) |
| 19:11.47 | alterego | It's like a coffee milkshake. |
| 19:12.01 | elb | although I have to say, the Ethiopian Biloya I had today was a bit bitter |
| 19:12.02 | czr | although bacterias don't have sexual orientation. hmm, you might be onto something elb |
| 19:12.13 | pupnik | elb: they roast twice a day with expensive roasters in each shop |
| 19:12.25 | elb | pupnik: I hope they don't serve what they roasted that day |
| 19:12.43 | pupnik | afaik they do, don't remember. smells real good though. |
| 19:12.50 | elb | they shouldn't, if they do |
| 19:13.02 | czr | I wonder what's the difference in hitting the ENTER from pressing it. |
| 19:13.03 | alterego | I just think anyone that goes into Starbucks must be a bit stupid. |
| 19:13.07 | czr | can software really tell? |
| 19:13.12 | elb | newly roasted coffee is saturated with CO2, and makes a bitter brew because of it |
| 19:13.27 | elb | it should be allowed to outgas for 8-12 hours before grinding and brewing |
| 19:13.28 | mariorz | duds plz noob here how do i do alt on xterm on the 770, im on irssi cant switch channels :p |
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| 19:14.11 | alterego | dud configur de toolbar |
| 19:14.13 | mariorz | and ctrl etc |
| 19:14.29 | mariorz | will do thanks |
| 19:14.48 | mariorz | any linkage? |
| 19:15.00 | czr | 0x4c4f4c |
| 19:15.15 | alterego | mariorz, hang on I'll get it for you |
| 19:15.23 | mariorz | coo |
| 19:15.26 | mariorz | l |
| 19:16.09 | alterego | mariorz, http://inz.fi/blog/2007/01/24/more-osso-xterm-shortcuts/ |
| 19:16.22 | czr | damn the headache doesn't let up |
| 19:16.38 | mariorz | so dev for this s wth the gtk libs? |
| 19:16.48 | mariorz | thanks man |
| 19:17.15 | alterego | If you mean that Gtk is the toolkit in Maemo .. Yes |
| 19:17.31 | mariorz | err that yeah |
| 19:18.02 | mariorz | cool |
| 19:19.04 | timelyx | my audrey booted! |
| 19:20.06 | czr | audrey=? |
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| 19:20.18 | timelyx | google? |
| 19:20.18 | _Monkey | google is, like, my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 19:20.23 | alterego | I knew this French girl called Audrey .. |
| 19:20.25 | czr | bleh. |
| 19:20.35 | alterego | I don't think I've been more attracted to a girl in my life :D |
| 19:21.16 | alterego | ol_schoola, I'm sorry. I've finished now. Just a couple of battered pork balls and some prawn crackers :) |
| 19:21.19 | timelyx | google loads too! |
| 19:22.21 | timelyx | err |
| 19:22.23 | ol_schoola | alterego: no, i ordered up, for real |
| 19:22.33 | alterego | :) |
| 19:22.40 | alterego | That was nice. |
| 19:22.44 | ol_schoola | damn you vile woman! |
| 19:22.59 | timelyx | Etsim(~AEur)si sivu on virheelinen. |
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| 19:23.05 | timelyx | what's that mean? |
| 19:23.09 | alterego | If I ever have a "last meal" it'll probably be a mixture of chilli, chinese, indian and a bacon sandwich. |
| 19:23.15 | alterego | Oh, some steak and chips too. |
| 19:23.32 | alterego | And for desert .. Lemon marangue pie. |
| 19:23.34 | visy | timelyx: "the page you are looking for has errors" |
| 19:23.35 | ol_schoola | and a ding-dong |
| 19:23.39 | alterego | With strawberries and cream. |
| 19:23.44 | visy | in finnish and with some very strage encoding |
| 19:23.48 | timelyx | thanks |
| 19:23.48 | visy | +n |
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| 19:27.38 | pupnik | anybody know a python app for maemo that is launchable from menu? i have a python/pygtk program i'd ike to start from menu |
| 19:28.25 | Andy80 | pupnik: maybe this can help you: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link24 |
| 19:28.37 | pupnik | thank ye kindly |
| 19:29.00 | Andy80 | you're wellcome |
| 19:29.26 | pupnik | i wonder how many tablet users already have python/pygtk installed |
| 19:29.26 | alterego | You just need a desktop file. |
| 19:29.28 | alterego | Pretty simple. |
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| 19:32.39 | bedboi | hi all |
| 19:33.55 | czr | hmm. is there a simple way to remove all files except the ones whose globs will match? |
| 19:33.59 | czr | (in shell) |
| 19:34.08 | timelyx | mv them somewhere else first |
| 19:34.27 | alterego | find can negate |
| 19:34.33 | czr | neh. looking for something that can be done with simple step |
| 19:34.41 | timelyx | uniq can be abused |
| 19:34.42 | czr | without external tools :-) |
| 19:34.46 | timelyx | there's also $filter |
| 19:34.52 | alterego | find is external? |
| 19:34.59 | czr | alterego, external to shell, yes |
| 19:35.05 | timelyx | outside busybox |
| 19:35.11 | alterego | find is in busybox |
| 19:35.17 | alterego | It's on the devices. |
| 19:35.22 | timelyx | but that'd require reading the man for filter :) |
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| 19:35.51 | alterego | :) |
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| 19:36.17 | czr | and starting the shell with -X originally |
| 19:37.04 | alterego | I did a google search on my name last week. I was #2 (my maemo profile) |
| 19:37.10 | alterego | Did the same search now. Nothing :) |
| 19:37.16 | czr | nm, I'll do without the negation |
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| 19:38.17 | alterego | I'm gonna resort to dlopen .. |
| 19:38.30 | timelyx | hrm |
| 19:38.30 | alterego | I can't be bothered to waste more time on this :( |
| 19:38.31 | timelyx | wait |
| 19:38.42 | timelyx | gnome vfs is sending out buggy http requests? |
| 19:38.52 | timelyx | anyone here vaguely familiar w/ gnome-vfs? |
| 19:38.56 | timelyx | sp3000? |
| 19:39.15 | sp3000 | not really :) |
| 19:39.21 | alterego | I'd rather not. gnome-vfmess |
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| 19:58.45 | Andy80 | alterego: is it possible that karma is not updated in these days? |
| 19:58.53 | alterego | Yes |
| 19:59.00 | alterego | Mine hasn't moved all weekend. |
| 19:59.06 | Andy80 | ah ok |
| 19:59.08 | timelyx | Andy80: afa-we-k maemo isn't updating planet |
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| 19:59.11 | alterego | And Maemo site has been quite broken this weekend. |
| 19:59.16 | timelyx | presumably other things are also stuck |
| 19:59.33 | alterego | Yeah, I think karma is also generated once a day. |
| 19:59.46 | alterego | So it wont update until very late tonight. |
| 20:00.03 | Andy80 | they're all busy at Nokia.... loading the DHL Cargo with our N810's :D |
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| 20:01.40 | pupnik | What would be the best dosbox launcher? 1) integrated into xmaeme launcher 2) a standalone gtk-based launcher or 3) a python based launcher? |
| 20:02.08 | pupnik | It's going to be easy to start up games and add them to a list. |
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| 20:08.53 | Andy80 | I was thinking about a usefull plugin for minimo browser.... |
| 20:09.00 | Andy80 | is it compatible with firefox plugins? |
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| 20:09.43 | alterego | Not exactly. |
| 20:09.51 | alterego | In fact, not really. |
| 20:09.57 | Andy80 | a usefull plugin to port into it would be the AdBlockPlus |
| 20:10.20 | alterego | Can't say I've had a problem with adverts on my tablet. |
| 20:10.45 | Andy80 | they slow down the connection speed |
| 20:10.54 | Andy80 | and make the rendering of the page slower |
| 20:11.00 | alterego | Oh, you mean like google adds and stuff? |
| 20:11.06 | alterego | Filters them out of the page? |
| 20:11.11 | Andy80 | I mean all kind of ads |
| 20:11.13 | alterego | Yeah. That would be very cool. |
| 20:11.13 | Andy80 | yes |
| 20:11.28 | alterego | Do it :P |
| 20:11.29 | Andy80 | AdBlockPlus for Firefox does this thing |
| 20:11.32 | Andy80 | try it :) |
| 20:11.46 | Andy80 | you'll notice the difference even on a normal PC |
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| 20:15.05 | pupnik | also "noscript" plugin would really help |
| 20:15.40 | pupnik | scripts off by default, then you can enable them only for pages you want |
| 20:16.05 | Andy80 | a popup blocker too would be usefull... |
| 20:16.21 | timelyx | pupnik: noscript should be coming |
| 20:16.33 | timelyx | not sure when, i need to bug mao |
| 20:16.38 | pupnik | cool! |
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| 20:18.26 | Andy80 | timelyx: are you working at the maemo browser? |
| 20:18.40 | timelyx | yes |
| 20:19.09 | timelyx | although atm i'm playing w/ the audrey browser (voyager) instead |
| 20:22.55 | alterego | 40,000 hacks later. |
| 20:23.15 | alterego | Well .. No errors ^_^ |
| 20:23.31 | alterego | It's wyerkin'! |
| 20:24.41 | alterego | I've got my first ruby desktop plugin on the desktop. |
| 20:24.46 | alterego | I could cry :D |
| 20:24.56 | alterego | Now to break it. |
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| 20:27.18 | konttori | Is there any easy way to set the font size to bare minimum for all widgets in gtk window (python) |
| 20:28.05 | alterego | Probably need to play around with a gtkrc theme file for your app. |
| 20:30.34 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 20:31.48 | alterego | Well .. It works but with a slight issue. Plugins share the same Ruby context. Which means they share resources :/ |
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| 20:35.53 | alterego | :) |
| 20:36.00 | alterego | Looks like we're both in a good place. |
| 20:36.10 | alterego | My plugin's are working and displaying :) |
| 20:36.22 | alterego | Not very interesting plugins but they work ^_^ |
| 20:36.34 | czr | I'm not in a good place |
| 20:36.40 | czr | not in a good place at all :-) |
| 20:37.30 | czr | I wonder if anyone will notice the 600 KiB drop in the size of the tarball compared to the 3.2 version |
| 20:38.33 | alterego | Heh. |
| 20:38.44 | alterego | Not all deprecated API's surely ;) |
| 20:38.56 | czr | my lips are sealed |
| 20:41.55 | maddler | evening all... |
| 20:41.56 | konttori | alterego: thanks. |
| 20:42.04 | maddler | Andy80: ciao! :) |
| 20:42.05 | alterego | konttori, no prob, good luck ;) |
| 20:42.09 | konttori | alterego: I was just hoping I could have avoided it |
| 20:42.16 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 20:42.29 | alterego | You can do it programmatically but I don't know the attributes sorry :/ |
| 20:42.39 | Andy80 | maddler: we :) |
| 20:45.11 | konttori | for what? (transparency)? |
| 20:45.29 | czr | anyhow, time for food and consolation beer |
| 20:45.33 | czr | later alterego and all |
| 20:46.31 | alterego | czr, have a good evening :) |
| 20:47.02 | alterego | konttori, I've managed to write home plugins in Ruby. I want to make them have transparency effects like the ones that come with OS2008 |
| 20:47.36 | konttori | How about just putting alpha channel to the pixbuf? |
| 20:47.54 | alterego | No, I think Nokia cheat. |
| 20:48.07 | konttori | I actually don't know the proper way to do it, but that's the way I would have designed the plugin framework. |
| 20:48.21 | alterego | They find out the position of the plugin and capture what should be there. Then make it look like it's transparent. |
| 20:48.23 | konttori | those damn cheaters! |
| 20:48.53 | xan-afk | alterego, no, the desktop has a local compositor, it's true transparency |
| 20:49.06 | konttori | actually, as you can put widgets on top of each other, I think they are not cheating as you described |
| 20:49.07 | alterego | xan-afk, do you know how to utilize it? |
| 20:49.10 | xan-afk | you can control it via theming or having ARGB visuas in your windows |
| 20:49.18 | xan-afk | visuals |
| 20:49.23 | alterego | xan-afk, thanks a lot :) |
| 20:49.37 | alterego | I'm gonna have some good ruby-maemo related blogging material for tomorrow :) |
| 20:49.50 | xan-afk | I think jobi was doing a tutorial about that, not sure if he released it |
| 20:50.06 | alterego | jobi, pfft. Useless bugger :P |
| 20:50.30 | alterego | Kudos for the 2008 theme though .. |
| 20:50.56 | alterego | Time for some bath surfing. |
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| 21:10.06 | K`zan | sad to say, but watching embedded video is the next thing to useless, 3 frames / words per minute :-( |
| 21:10.27 | K`zan | Flash stuff... |
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| 21:13.20 | K`zan | 1 |
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| 21:18.51 | K`zan | 2 |
| 21:19.34 | K`zan | 5 minutes to make about a 1 minute video wholly useless, perhaps it works better linked through a cell phone. |
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| 21:46.14 | alterego | Interesting. maemo 4.0 SDK is not listed at stage.maemo.org |
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| 21:49.23 | konttori | hey, for the install file, should it be repo_deb_3 or repo_deb_4? |
| 21:49.31 | konttori | for chinook |
| 21:49.51 | alterego | Probably 4 |
| 21:49.55 | alterego | As chinook is maemo 4 |
| 21:50.13 | konttori | ok. I just didn't find any example install files |
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| 21:53.46 | konttori | ah damn. maemo downloads page isn't working on the click to install links ;) |
| 21:54.20 | Igg-man | Is there a place to find a good sources.list file? |
| 21:55.37 | Igg-man | It looks like the one on the website is missing a few things, like someone pulled out the URLs |
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| 21:56.40 | alterego | Igg-man, for the SDK? |
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| 21:57.06 | alterego | Just put the repos you need in it. |
| 21:57.15 | Igg-man | just the repos for the device |
| 21:57.31 | Igg-man | I think I'm missing something, lots of packages don't install |
| 21:58.04 | alterego | The devic edoesn't have a sources.list file. |
| 21:58.21 | Igg-man | oh |
| 21:58.28 | Igg-man | hmm |
| 21:58.42 | Igg-man | what's the /etc/apt/sources.list file do? |
| 21:59.01 | kaltsi | alterego what do you mean? |
| 21:59.08 | alterego | Nothing, you should set repositoriesi n hte applicaiton mangaer. |
| 21:59.17 | Igg-man | okay |
| 21:59.25 | Igg-man | Is it safe to switch everything to chinook? |
| 21:59.31 | alterego | O_O |
| 21:59.31 | kaltsi | alterego: the app manager modifies the sources.list.. it's just a frontend to apt-get |
| 22:00.00 | Igg-man | kaltsi: does it overwrite the file? |
| 22:00.04 | kaltsi | igg-man what's your OS.. OS2008 or 2007? |
| 22:00.10 | Igg-man | 2007 at the moment |
| 22:00.13 | alterego | kaltsi, have you actually looked at the sources.list file? |
| 22:00.19 | kaltsi | alterego of course |
| 22:00.25 | alterego | kaltsi, the application manager is _not_ a front end to it. |
| 22:00.33 | kaltsi | ahem |
| 22:00.51 | alterego | My sources.list file is completely empty. |
| 22:00.52 | kaltsi | igg-man you should not switch to chinook.. it's for OS2008 |
| 22:01.12 | kaltsi | alterego do you have a sources.list.d directory there? |
| 22:01.13 | Igg-man | kaltsi: Do I just need to s/bora/chinook to switch? |
| 22:01.25 | alterego | Yup |
| 22:01.28 | kaltsi | igg-man: no you need to reflash the device with the new operating system |
| 22:01.34 | Igg-man | argh, okay |
| 22:01.43 | kaltsi | alterego ok and under that there is a hildon-something which is a sources.list too |
| 22:01.45 | Igg-man | So I need to go download that from Nokia's site? |
| 22:01.56 | kaltsi | igg-man yes but it's not officially available yet |
| 22:01.57 | Igg-man | I think I read that they don't have it up for n800 users |
| 22:02.00 | alterego | kaltsi, yes. But it's not sources.list is it |
| 22:02.15 | Atarii | Igg-man http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ |
| 22:02.21 | alterego | And application manager doesn't touch sources.list does it. |
| 22:02.25 | kaltsi | alterego it is.. and if you create a /etc/apt/sources.list the appmanager will also understand that somehow |
| 22:02.33 | alterego | -_- |
| 22:02.48 | Igg-man | atarii: Sweet, I like that |
| 22:02.55 | alterego | No, it's a completely different file kaltsi |
| 22:03.00 | alterego | What kind of crack are you smoking. |
| 22:03.01 | kaltsi | in os2008 the appmanager does not touch /etc/apt/sources.list but the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-something |
| 22:03.16 | alterego | And? |
| 22:03.16 | _Monkey | And is it still recommended to go into "red pill" mode on the n800? |
| 22:03.24 | Atarii | Igg-man from your n800 your can click the title of each repository and it will install it |
| 22:03.26 | alterego | _Monkey forget and |
| 22:03.27 | _Monkey | alterego: I forgot and |
| 22:03.29 | Igg-man | I think I'm just going to try running n800 with the boro |
| 22:03.33 | alterego | _Monkey and is <reply> |
| 22:03.34 | _Monkey | OK, alterego. |
| 22:03.54 | Atarii | alterego does monkey learn stuff all the time from what people say? |
| 22:04.01 | alterego | Atarii, yeah |
| 22:04.07 | alterego | It's annoying :P |
| 22:04.17 | kaltsi | that hildon-application-manager.list at least for me looks exactly like a sources.list file |
| 22:04.25 | konttori | trevarthan: I seem t be having trouble with kagu |
| 22:04.34 | konttori | (in case you are around) |
| 22:04.48 | alterego | kaltsi, you're completely missing the point. You said the application manager was a front end for sources.list file. No, it's not. |
| 22:04.50 | Atarii | yea, all u seem to be doin is deleting monkey's ramblings |
| 22:05.04 | disq | konttori: #kagu is a better place :) |
| 22:05.17 | trevarthan | yeah, hop over konttori |
| 22:05.28 | Atarii | konttori are you still working on UKMP? |
| 22:05.30 | kaltsi | alterego yes I said it modifies sources.list which was wrong :) but I said it's a front end to apt-get |
| 22:05.48 | alterego | kaltsi, just because some other file some other place that is changed by application manager _looks_ like sources.list. Doesn't mean it is that file. |
| 22:05.54 | alterego | It's not like they're symlinked is it .. |
| 22:06.12 | kaltsi | bah now you're missing the point :) |
| 22:06.19 | alterego | Whatever. |
| 22:06.26 | alterego | This conversation is pointless. |
| 22:06.45 | kaltsi | which os are you running alterego.. I already forgot 2007/8 ? |
| 22:06.45 | alterego | 14m's till my SDK is back up :/ |
| 22:07.00 | alterego | I'm running 2006/7/8 |
| 22:07.07 | konttori | Atarii: yeah, whenever I have the time |
| 22:07.14 | alterego | 2.2, 3.2, 4.0 |
| 22:07.15 | konttori | Just put it to chinook extras |
| 22:07.18 | kaltsi | cool |
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| 22:08.17 | konttori | can anyone with n810 try installing it from here: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/ |
| 22:08.48 | kaltsi | alterego if you want to know what I was talking about, just create yourself a file /etc/apt/sources.list and put some repository there (that you don't already have).. then open the app manager |
| 22:09.11 | alterego | kaltsi, the sources.list file is there. It's just empty. |
| 22:09.21 | alterego | And I'm not denying it has an effect on the system. |
| 22:10.27 | shackan | konttori: could you anticipate if os2008 includes OProfile support by default? |
| 22:10.44 | shackan | (since chinhook comes with oprofile-viewer...) |
| 22:10.49 | konttori | no idea, sorry |
| 22:11.10 | kaltsi | shackan by default no |
| 22:11.37 | shackan | kaltsi: uh, so I'll have to rebuild the kernel? :( |
| 22:11.39 | kaltsi | shackan but the SDK repository has an oprofile enabled kernel that you can install.. read the tools documentation from maemo.org |
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| 22:11.52 | shackan | kaltsi: oh, GREAT |
| 22:12.01 | kaltsi | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile |
| 22:13.26 | shackan | kaltsi: thanks, sorry for not stfw |
| 22:13.43 | kaltsi | hehe :) |
| 22:14.38 | alterego | Next time I'm not going to break my install by installing the latest SVN of hildon-desktop .. |
| 22:14.39 | Igg-man | Is os2008 going to be "offically" released for the n800? |
| 22:14.48 | kaltsi | igg-man: yes |
| 22:15.13 | Igg-man | Cool |
| 22:15.16 | alterego | I think I'll setup a new target maemo-svn-i386 for my pissing around. |
| 22:15.56 | alterego | I'll attempt to compile the desktop from scratch. That'll be interesting. |
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| 22:34.59 | Igg-man | atarii: My packages seem to install good now. Thanks |
| 22:35.17 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.24 | pupnik | that is interesting |
| 22:36.05 | alterego | pupnik, sort out your python stuff? |
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| 22:36.26 | pupnik | still trying to decide whether or not to release it |
| 22:36.31 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:36.32 | alterego | What is it? |
| 22:36.38 | pupnik | dosbox launcher in pygtk |
| 22:36.43 | alterego | Ah |
| 22:36.46 | alterego | Of course :) |
| 22:37.00 | alterego | Sounds like a good idea. |
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| 22:37.23 | pupnik | yeah it'll launch a game with three stylus taps |
| 22:37.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:37.56 | alterego | I managed to get desktop plugins working. People can now use Ruby to code home plugins, status bar plugins and task navigator plugins. |
| 22:38.06 | pupnik | that's really cool |
| 22:38.19 | elb | word to ruby |
| 22:38.45 | pupnik | how much system space does a ruby install take up? |
| 22:38.51 | alterego | I'm gonna start making mini-howtos and posting them on my new maemo blog. |
| 22:38.56 | alterego | ~7M |
| 22:38.59 | pupnik | a basic python 2.5 takes over 8 M |
| 22:39.00 | pupnik | k |
| 22:39.09 | alterego | I'm looking into trimming it down. |
| 22:39.45 | alterego | I might split up the core and stdlib |
| 22:39.57 | alterego | So people have the option of installing the stdlib |
| 22:40.45 | alterego | I might also work on an embedded gem system. Which would work good on the tablets. |
| 22:41.00 | pupnik | what is gem system? |
| 22:41.02 | alterego | That'd stop the need for any of the stdlib and programs could get the specific libraries they need. |
| 22:41.15 | alterego | It's kind of like cpan for ruby |
| 22:41.37 | alterego | Unfortunately the current rubygems used in desktop installs doesn't work very well in small devices :/ |
| 22:45.17 | elb | gems are roughly equivalent to eggs |
| 22:48.47 | alterego | You can't make an omlette with eggs |
| 22:48.52 | alterego | s/eggs/gems |
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| 23:18.41 | alterego | Oops |
| 23:18.47 | alterego | Anyone know where the microb compilation instructions are? |
| 23:21.47 | doublec | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
| 23:21.58 | alterego | Thanks :) |
| 23:23.47 | alterego | Hmm .. Guess it's broken on chinook then, |
| 23:23.51 | doublec | this might help too: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 |
| 23:25.28 | alterego | Oh great thanks :) |
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| 23:36.14 | YHYHIAMHERE | could anyone tell me were i could download libgcrypt11 (>=1.2.2) deb as i can use repositrys |
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| 23:42.21 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 23:42.22 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 23:48.32 | alterego | (that's right .. No one suspects .. ) |
| 23:51.42 | YHYHIAMHERE | sorry but my application manager isint working it freezes so i have to download the .deb files manually iam looking for a couple to run pidgin |
| 23:54.43 | pupnik | you can use wget, if you know the repository and directory |
| 23:55.46 | alterego | Bargain .. |
| 23:56.01 | alterego | ruby-maemo now has vte and (hopefully) gtkmozembed |
| 23:56.56 | alterego | I've also added a stub for gtkglext ;) |
| 23:57.00 | alterego | Just in case ^_^ |