| 00:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | Then the saved connection for your network |
| 00:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | Edit |
| 00:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | next, next |
| 00:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | Advanced |
| 00:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | Other tab. |
| 00:00.29 | K`zan | No advanced - pick a connection and you have: Connection name, type and ... |
| 00:00.30 | K`zan | AH |
| 00:00.39 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: i guess i know where the problem is in the code, but right now i do not know how to fix it, i'll read some porting docs :) |
| 00:01.07 | K`zan | LOL, finally - 100mW |
| 00:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | Good |
| 00:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Now, MAYBE, try turning power saving off. |
| 00:01.41 | *** join/#maemo erich141 (n=erich@c-24-63-159-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:01.45 | K`zan | Going to try setting up the connection manually. |
| 00:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | Test that local http server, too, though. |
| 00:02.21 | K`zan | Only choices there are 10mW and 100mW,,, |
| 00:02.44 | penguinbait | is mplayer working in 2008? |
| 00:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | 100mw is what you want |
| 00:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | No, penguinbait. |
| 00:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | It has to be ported |
| 00:03.59 | K`zan | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:04.02 | K`zan | ww |
| 00:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there IS a port |
| 00:04.07 | TPC | argh |
| 00:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | but it's not optimized |
| 00:04.16 | penguinbait | ic |
| 00:04.16 | TPC | stupid gconf won't let me restore my old maemo mapper settings |
| 00:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | and is, therefor, completely useless compared to the built-in media player |
| 00:04.24 | GeneralAntilles | (which works quite wonderfully for me) |
| 00:04.50 | penguinbait | I am using smplayer in KDE, which is just a frontend to mplayer |
| 00:04.59 | penguinbait | so I guess I wait :( |
| 00:05.04 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: you mean that the wifi is more powerfull now? |
| 00:05.05 | penguinbait | I am sure it wont be long :) |
| 00:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, no, it's always been 100mw |
| 00:05.22 | TPC | mplayer has seeking problems in OS2008 |
| 00:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | I just stabbing in the dark. ;) |
| 00:05.27 | TPC | when playing movies |
| 00:05.32 | TPC | otherwise it seems to work fine to me |
| 00:05.41 | TPC | altought I use it for music mostly :P |
| 00:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | I was getting nasty tearing. |
| 00:06.05 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: always been 100mw but it was set to 10, right? |
| 00:06.06 | penguinbait | I use Juk |
| 00:06.21 | K`zan | Yeah! Setting a static IP (etc.) it works now! |
| 00:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there you go. |
| 00:06.35 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for your help and especially your patience :-)! |
| 00:06.40 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 00:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Patience |
| 00:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's the least I can do after what I make others put up with. ;) |
| 00:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | But, sure. :) |
| 00:07.08 | K`zan | No Sir, It is hard somethings with newbies who are dense, APPRECIATE your efforts *MUCH*! |
| 00:07.15 | K`zan | :-) |
| 00:07.18 | penguinbait | I am wondering wy juk can find all my music is seconds, and I dont know what the heck metalayer-crawler |
| 00:07.22 | penguinbait | is doing |
| 00:07.24 | K`zan | Now I have a headcomputer too LOL |
| 00:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | Looking for women |
| 00:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | and failing miserably. |
| 00:08.01 | GeneralAntilles | metalayer-crawler is very lonely. |
| 00:08.32 | penguinbait | lonely??? |
| 00:08.35 | K`zan | LOL, dating these days would scare the hell out of me. As a very good friend once told me - there is no piece of ass worth dying for "... |
| 00:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | So, K`zan, get the repos, install becomeroot and openssh, and enable swap on the internal card in the control panel. |
| 00:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | Then hack up /etc/mce/mce.ini for soft poweroff |
| 00:09.27 | *** join/#maemo ericz_ (n=ericz@ip68-229-115-137.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 00:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, lonely, penguinbait, it spends all its time looking for companionship on your SD cards and finding none. ;) |
| 00:10.40 | penguinbait | Why not just have a button that says search, press it after you add some music |
| 00:10.54 | penguinbait | seems crazy to me |
| 00:11.14 | penguinbait | maybe we can write a script to keep it company |
| 00:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, that's a lot of work. |
| 00:12.20 | penguinbait | I am looking for some input on optimizing KDE, currently I do not do anything but run configure, make, make install, or whatever, I have never added any CPU flags, recently lardman mentioned "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp". My question is when I look in Kinfocenter in KDE, it shows processor features "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java" Could any of the features be usefull , Please forgive my |
| 00:12.35 | *** join/#maemo dolske (n=dolske@c-24-7-115-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:12.47 | penguinbait | I still need some help with this, where are all the brains> |
| 00:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | Try #kde? |
| 00:14.17 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: can you check http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.0.4.2_armel.deb if it still crashes? (at least manage maps does not crash here anymore) :) |
| 00:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | Sure. |
| 00:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | One sec |
| 00:14.28 | ol_schoola | can do |
| 00:14.29 | penguinbait | I did, I am wondering more about the CPU flags on the n800 |
| 00:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | Try compiling both ways and do a side-by-side? |
| 00:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that did it, chelli. |
| 00:17.19 | GeneralAntilles | Just fix up the hourglass and the repos dialog now. |
| 00:18.15 | chelli | i'll look at it, but the maemo-mapper-devs will get the current patch in a few minutes :) |
| 00:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | They can fix the rest themselves. |
| 00:18.52 | TPC | chelli, OS2008 port seems to work fine to me |
| 00:19.39 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: what was exactly wrong with the repos dialog? (looks ok here so far) |
| 00:20.32 | chelli | TPC: good to know |
| 00:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/chinookmm.jpg |
| 00:23.37 | chelli | hmm, very interesting :) |
| 00:23.51 | chelli | it looks totally ok here :) |
| 00:24.28 | erich141 | chelli: it looks exactly like for General on my n800 |
| 00:26.39 | chelli | from the picture it looks like some really ugly problem with the translations - maybe it just does not occur with german configured on the n800 |
| 00:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | I'd test out another one |
| 00:28.37 | GeneralAntilles | but then I'd have to restart. :P |
| 00:29.12 | cesman | does anyone have a direct link to the last OS2007 firmware? |
| 00:29.49 | TPC | chelli, I get a segfault when trying to go into the manage maps dialog |
| 00:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Running the latest version, TPC? |
| 00:30.11 | chelli | TPC: try the newest version :) |
| 00:30.17 | TPC | oh |
| 00:30.21 | TPC | I didn't notice |
| 00:30.50 | GeneralAntilles | Best to be done, cesman: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 |
| 00:31.00 | chelli | ok, i'll try it with English (USA) right now |
| 00:31.18 | TPC | chelli, I have another weird problem, with every dialog button |
| 00:31.31 | cesman | thanks GeneralAntilles, the site seems to be having issues at the moment |
| 00:31.36 | TPC | but I don't think its related with your port |
| 00:31.48 | *** join/#maemo jott (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) |
| 00:31.52 | TPC | as I saw it in a few another apps on OS2007 |
| 00:32.14 | chelli | ok, now the repos dialog is broken here too :) |
| 00:32.52 | TPC | rather than saying ok it will say something like ecdgbdconfirmationnoteok as the button text |
| 00:33.16 | TPC | I think its because its lacking translations for the locale I'm using |
| 00:33.29 | TPC | and doesn't default to english for some reason |
| 00:33.37 | chelli | TPC: where exactly? |
| 00:34.09 | TPC | in various places, but not everywhere, the "really clear the track?" is one example |
| 00:34.17 | TPC | dialog is* |
| 00:36.09 | chelli | the dialog is ok here - i guess it is really just a problem with the translations (i did not change a single line of code regarding translations, so i guess it might be related to the chinook SDK somehow, i'll investigate) :) |
| 00:37.00 | TPC | here is a screenshot: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/buttonname.png |
| 00:37.11 | ol_schoola | heh. i get an error overlaying the Manage Repo screen, says to contact Last Translator: John Costigan |
| 00:37.19 | disq | Kagu: we have issued an update (1.0.10-2) to fix a crash while playing songs with "track#" info missing in their id3. Should be in your Application Manager update screens soon. |
| 00:37.26 | TPC | I have my device set to use swedish language |
| 00:39.25 | TPC | chelli, anyway, could you drop me a PM if you release any more fixed versions? I'm gonna sleep now, but will be using my GPS tomorrow and don't want to miss any fixed versions if gnuite doesn't make an official build before I leave tomorrow |
| 00:39.58 | chelli | TPC: yes, no problem |
| 00:40.12 | TPC | ok, thanks |
| 00:43.03 | *** join/#maemo jeff1f (i=HydraIRC@adsl-76-212-95-186.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:43.52 | *** join/#maemo ericz_ (n=ericz@ip68-229-115-137.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 00:44.10 | lopz | re |
| 00:45.46 | K`zan | App manager seems to have only the nokia stuff... |
| 00:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | You have to install the extra repos |
| 00:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 00:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well, not "install" |
| 00:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | add |
| 00:47.49 | K`zan | Tanks, will have to do this again in 2008, I guess. |
| 00:48.31 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: i think i found the problem, just a few minutes and the will be a fixed version :) |
| 00:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 00:48.40 | K`zan | :-)! |
| 00:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, how about OS2008 now, K`zan? :P |
| 00:52.20 | disq | this huge bookmarks screen is bugging me |
| 00:52.37 | *** join/#maemo micky_ (n=micky@91-180-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 01:00.18 | ol_schoola | Is K`zan booting of internal card yet? |
| 01:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 01:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't bother with that for now. |
| 01:01.11 | *** join/#maemo blassey (n=blassey@c-76-19-194-227.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.17 | ol_schoola | i'm no linux newb but i had a some bumps and bruises the second go-around. hiccups with 2008 |
| 01:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | 2008 went perfectly fine for me. |
| 01:04.57 | K`zan | maemo respositories barf out... |
| 01:05.04 | K`zan | Gonna try it via the web... |
| 01:05.24 | ol_schoola | the flash went fine but i had a devil of a time. threw some new cards in, had a bad one |
| 01:05.42 | ol_schoola | cloning just didn't want to go well for me |
| 01:05.47 | Klaus_Kinski | Do you think it is possible to realize that under N800 too? |
| 01:05.48 | Klaus_Kinski | http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ |
| 01:06.11 | ol_schoola | i've been thinking about the requirements for a |
| 01:09.23 | chelli | GeneralAntilles: http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.0.4.3_armel.deb should fix the repos dialog (its not really a fix, just a workaround - i just disabled translations, but i guess it wont hurt you) :) |
| 01:10.33 | disq | mmapper chinook? mmm-mm i should install that |
| 01:10.37 | ol_schoola | ...universal remote control, inteligent programming, like a Pronto |
| 01:11.28 | chelli | disq: yes, please do that, but keep in mind that is not the official port, so do not blame the mmapper devs for mistakes i made ;-) |
| 01:12.20 | disq | ok no worries |
| 01:12.20 | ol_schoola | Klaus_Kinski: easily done with lirc, a nearby linux/win/mac and an IR blaster/blinkers |
| 01:12.54 | *** join/#maemo Anastasia (n=Vw@c-76-121-5-32.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:13.12 | Klaus_Kinski | ol_schoola ok porting lirc |
| 01:13.26 | Klaus_Kinski | ol_schoola but what with the hardware? |
| 01:14.04 | Anastasia | up on the n800!!! |
| 01:14.05 | erich141 | chelli: everything looks good now except for "busy" cursor |
| 01:14.12 | chelli | disq: the only issues with the port seems that the hourglass is not displayed right and that i had to disable translated texts |
| 01:14.14 | *** join/#maemo corevette (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-15.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:14.20 | chelli | erich141: yes, i know |
| 01:14.40 | Anastasia | de k`zan... |
| 01:16.41 | *** join/#maemo itnomad (n=user@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad) |
| 01:17.01 | disq | chelli: did you change the select db file dialog? |
| 01:17.25 | disq | works fine btw, thanks |
| 01:17.46 | chelli | disq: not really, whats different compared to the bora version? |
| 01:18.12 | disq | IIRC it let you choose the db file (like a open file dialog) |
| 01:18.21 | disq | now you choose the dir and type the filename manually |
| 01:19.07 | ol_schoola | the tablet issues commands to an lircd on your "IR server" via the telnet interface and that instance of lirc drives a serial/usb blaster or blinkers |
| 01:19.14 | chelli | are you sure? (i did not touch the code there, as far as i can tell) |
| 01:19.30 | disq | no i'm not sure. no big deal anyways |
| 01:19.55 | K`zan | maemo.org seems to be overloaded :-). May be a good sign that I am not alone :) |
| 01:23.25 | Klaus_Kinski | ol_schoola ???? |
| 01:23.25 | _Monkey | ol_schoola is, like, afk for the next three hours |
| 01:23.44 | ol_schoola | hush _Monkey |
| 01:24.55 | ol_schoola | Klaus_Kinski: lirc works via udp, too, right? |
| 01:25.58 | Klaus_Kinski | dont know |
| 01:26.16 | Klaus_Kinski | but my problem is not the software! |
| 01:26.27 | Klaus_Kinski | N800 has afaik no infrared |
| 01:26.58 | ol_schoola | well, the tablet kicks commands via udp to an intermediary box, say a linux machine running lircd and irxevent. using creartive scripting and a serial IR blaster on that machine, you could control a very large entertainment center. |
| 01:27.06 | ol_schoola | whole house if you got some spare time |
| 01:27.20 | Klaus_Kinski | umm |
| 01:27.34 | Klaus_Kinski | i want to have a remote control in my N800 |
| 01:27.57 | ol_schoola | and i'm proposing a method of turning the n800 into a remote control ;) |
| 01:28.05 | Klaus_Kinski | and not a server running... and sending via Wifi commands to lircserver |
| 01:28.11 | Klaus_Kinski | infrared remote control |
| 01:28.32 | ol_schoola | well, without the third party, you'll need a steady hand installing the IR emitter |
| 01:28.41 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | You could also attach an IR blaster to the audio out, no? |
| 01:30.09 | ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: good call, I'd forgotten about that |
| 01:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Seems to me that Griffin sold something like that for the old iPods |
| 01:31.03 | Klaus_Kinski | lol |
| 01:31.09 | Klaus_Kinski | i mentioned that 30 min ago |
| 01:31.26 | Klaus_Kinski | lol[02:05] <Klaus_Kinski> http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ |
| 01:34.07 | Klaus_Kinski | ;) |
| 01:34.21 | ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: erm, not sure if the blaster would work on the audio with lirc per se. there is a alsa-audio-in receive driver, not sure about a transmit driver |
| 01:34.59 | ol_schoola | Klaus_Kinski: now I get it, was on a different wavelength. looks interesting.... |
| 01:35.19 | pupnik | I want a parallel port on my N800 |
| 01:35.24 | pupnik | how can i do this? |
| 01:35.27 | Klaus_Kinski | Mails about Total irRemote will go to /dev/null unread. |
| 01:35.32 | Klaus_Kinski | lol |
| 01:35.39 | Klaus_Kinski | http://lirc.org/faq.html |
| 01:37.14 | micky_ | what for pupnik? |
| 01:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of soldering, pupnik? |
| 01:40.24 | ol_schoola | Klaus_Kinski: i guess that answers that |
| 01:40.35 | chelli | ok, the chinook-patches for maemo were just sent to gnuite, so lets hope to see a official port soon :) |
| 01:40.58 | chelli | s/maemo/maemo-mapper/ :) |
| 01:41.05 | ol_schoola | chelli: working great so far here |
| 01:42.37 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 01:43.24 | chelli | i just removed the partly broken version 2.0.4.1 and 2.0.4.2, so that people only use 2.0.4.3 which should fix most of the issues (except the hourglass-problem) |
| 01:44.22 | Klaus_Kinski | ol_schoola http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp |
| 01:46.28 | chelli | i'll go to sleep now, cu |
| 01:46.29 | pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.71-0.1 |
| 01:46.40 | ol_schoola | hmmm, i've had a lot of exp with manipulation of and capturing IR. i'm kinda leary of that method |
| 01:46.42 | pupnik | IS NOT. i changed version to 0.72-0.1 |
| 01:46.46 | pupnik | dabmabit |
| 01:46.49 | disq | chelli: are you compiling the binary with omap2420 specific optimizations? |
| 01:46.53 | ol_schoola | chelli: ty, have a good one |
| 01:47.15 | disq | the makefile probably has them already though. |
| 01:47.20 | disq | ah he's gone |
| 01:48.12 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:48.17 | pupnik | oh it gets it from the changelog |
| 01:51.00 | *** join/#maemo pumpkin (n=pumpkin@c-75-69-129-147.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 01:51.28 | K`zan | Anyone able to get into maemo.org ? |
| 01:52.28 | ol_schoola | not here |
| 01:52.37 | penguinbait | its been crapping out all day |
| 01:53.16 | ol_schoola | i hope it's a DOS from a flurry of commits |
| 01:58.46 | K`zan | Thanks folks, thought it was just me :-). |
| 01:59.30 | konttori_ | ahh.. I hope that would somehow be affecting my package acceptance to the repositories. |
| 01:59.49 | K`zan | Gonna go snarf 2008, assuming that would be wise to do now - or should I wait until formal release. |
| 01:59.51 | K`zan | ? |
| 02:00.16 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@241.84-49-135.nextgentel.com) |
| 02:01.25 | Klaus_Kinski | when i install mono on N800, can i run programms which i wrote with Visual Studio? |
| 02:02.40 | penguinbait | sorry no clue |
| 02:03.11 | pupnik | i feel soiled just reading that |
| 02:05.07 | K`zan | LOL, no kidding. |
| 02:05.19 | K`zan | Going to wipe now :) |
| 02:08.14 | Klaus_Kinski | good night |
| 02:10.33 | penguinbait | were you guys being me and scaring people off |
| 02:10.35 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 02:10.36 | penguinbait | :) |
| 02:10.57 | penguinbait | were you guys being mean and scaring people off |
| 02:11.18 | penguinbait | some type of freudian slip |
| 02:11.20 | penguinbait | heh |
| 02:12.30 | *** join/#maemo kevinverma (n=Kevin@122.169.1.193) |
| 02:13.01 | pupnik | from the ITT forums: Crayon Physics Game http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/ |
| 02:13.27 | konttori_ | Yes! |
| 02:13.31 | konttori_ | It's there! |
| 02:13.33 | penguinbait | congrats |
| 02:13.37 | konttori_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/ukmp/ |
| 02:13.40 | konttori_ | Thanks! |
| 02:13.51 | konttori_ | It's been such a long road for me. |
| 02:14.07 | konttori_ | eventually, I had to submit to using linux to send the stuff. |
| 02:14.24 | konttori_ | oh well. can't have it all |
| 02:14.33 | disq | congrats :) |
| 02:14.50 | konttori_ | thanks. Small step for you guys, but big one for me. |
| 02:15.17 | penguinbait | further than Ive gone :) |
| 02:15.36 | *** join/#maemo Synchronicity (n=Synchron@unaffiliated/relate) |
| 02:15.41 | milhouse | anyone seen maemo.org? it seems to have disappeared... |
| 02:15.46 | penguinbait | Can I upload a 400MB deb to garage :) |
| 02:15.50 | Synchronicity | mic |
| 02:15.58 | Synchronicity | milhouse I can't access it either |
| 02:16.06 | konttori_ | garage supports up to 8 megs or something like that |
| 02:16.08 | penguinbait | its been in and out all day |
| 02:16.10 | milhouse | glad it's not just me - thanks :) |
| 02:16.28 | konttori_ | although, the svn seems to support pretty much anything |
| 02:16.44 | konttori_ | I accidentally included my test mp3s on one commit. |
| 02:17.06 | konttori_ | 40 megs of faulty mp3s. Apparently didn't scare off the server. |
| 02:17.26 | penguinbait | I almost, sent out beta kde with konqueror auto login to internettablettalk.com |
| 02:17.36 | penguinbait | repackaged before anyone got to it |
| 02:17.37 | penguinbait | :) |
| 02:18.17 | penguinbait | some anyone using the internettablettalk.com bookmark would login as penguinbait automatically |
| 02:21.05 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 02:21.23 | zerojay | milhouse: I noticed it go down right around 5pm EST. |
| 02:22.24 | zerojay | disq: That previous version of Kagu that I had the weird D-bus failure message when I tried to install... well, despite saying installation failure, it was still installed and still worked. |
| 02:23.11 | milhouse | zerojay: not good as it's not knackered the application maanager which just hangs... if nokia are going to get serious about this with masses of users they need more resilient infra |
| 02:23.22 | milhouse | s/not knackered/now knackered/ |
| 02:23.41 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 02:23.44 | milhouse | or announce any outages if this outage is planned |
| 02:23.56 | milhouse | at least bugzilla is still working :) |
| 02:24.27 | milhouse | anyone able to confirm what happens in os2008 xterm if you type "exit" at the command line? my xterm stays open with a useless blank window and i have to close the app with "x" |
| 02:24.42 | penguinbait | I hope they are sending out 500 REALLY BIG EMAIL, saying where to use our developer discounts |
| 02:24.43 | milhouse | would make more sense if the app closed (like the old xterm) |
| 02:25.22 | milhouse | penguinbat - nah, it will probably be another enourmous stacktrace |
| 02:25.22 | zerojay | penguinbait: It will be at nokiausa, which will redirect us to letstalk.com. |
| 02:25.39 | zerojay | At least that's what happened when I ordered my N800 direct from Nokia. |
| 02:25.49 | penguinbait | I know this, but I want it to be the reason maemo is down |
| 02:25.53 | konttori_ | millhouse: we were not able to get that bug fixed for xterm on time. |
| 02:26.00 | zerojay | penguinbait: Hehe. Me too. |
| 02:26.06 | konttori_ | sorry about that. also, same thing applies to ctrl-d |
| 02:26.18 | milhouse | knotorri - so it's already logged? cool... should i bother opening it in bugzilla anyway ? |
| 02:26.26 | zerojay | milhouse: Want to possibly see something weird? |
| 02:26.37 | disq | zerojay: how weird? uh |
| 02:26.42 | milhouse | zerojay: sure why not... :) |
| 02:26.43 | konttori_ | anyway, if you have good suggestions, let me know. I'm managing the project still. |
| 02:26.47 | acydlord | milhouse, xterm closed fine for me when i exited |
| 02:27.23 | milhouse | knotorri - my only suggestion would be for it to close, and for the "close" menu to include an extra menu item "close this window" as per the browser as multiple xterm sessions are possible but the only "close" option is "close all windows" |
| 02:27.29 | milhouse | i'll open a bug and make those suggestions |
| 02:27.32 | konttori_ | xterm source is in garage in exactly the shape that you have on the device (ok, there are bug fixes as well) |
| 02:27.33 | zerojay | milhouse: Lock your N800. After it dims, hit the power key to make the screen come back on with the message "now press [] |
| 02:27.34 | acydlord | maybe mine closing correctly was a bug =x |
| 02:27.35 | milhouse | as they're kind of related |
| 02:27.42 | zerojay | milhouse: Then just repeatedly press anywhere on the screen. |
| 02:27.52 | pupnik | Serge / ssvb fixes critical memory corruption bug in all OS2006 firmwares |
| 02:28.00 | zerojay | milhouse: The N800 can't decide which version of the "press power then []" warning to use. |
| 02:28.18 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 memory bug fix for IT2006 |
| 02:28.20 | zerojay | Keeps switching from the old two line version to the single line and back with each button press. |
| 02:28.25 | disq | zerojay: i think it's a feature |
| 02:28.37 | zerojay | disq: It's inconsistant. Bug. |
| 02:28.57 | disq | zerojay: it's consistent. only switches between the two, in order. that's consistency |
| 02:29.06 | zerojay | Okay, you got me there. :) |
| 02:29.11 | penguinbait | did anyone else notice that when you lock the screen it does not turn it off, it dims as normal? |
| 02:29.20 | milhouse | zerojay - fck it! my buttons have gone AWOL again, cheers! ;) |
| 02:29.25 | zerojay | lol |
| 02:29.28 | zerojay | Sorry, dude. |
| 02:29.35 | zerojay | penguinbait: Turns it off here. |
| 02:29.56 | penguinbait | hmmanyone else? |
| 02:29.59 | milhouse | it's locked and i can't unlock it!!! kontorri - any ideas if this is logged/fixed etc.? lock the device and it forgets it has button making power+d-pad centre to unlock impossible |
| 02:30.01 | disq | zerojay: it always starts with the two-line version. if a warning is already present on the screen, it shows the other one |
| 02:30.07 | zerojay | penguinbait: Well, dims and then turns off. |
| 02:30.09 | *** join/#maemo [1]jeff1f (i=HydraIRC@adsl-76-212-95-186.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:30.24 | penguinbait | yes mine too, it used to go off immediately |
| 02:30.28 | disq | softpoweroff won't lock the screen though. wish it did |
| 02:30.52 | penguinbait | If I set my display to not turn off for an hour, this is goin to be a problem |
| 02:31.08 | penguinbait | perhaps its because its not meant for this hardware?? |
| 02:31.15 | milhouse | xterm isn't listed in applications on bugzilla :( |
| 02:31.39 | zerojay | File a bug to add it. |
| 02:31.50 | milhouse | thanks :) |
| 02:31.51 | penguinbait | can you post a bug for software you are not supposed to have? |
| 02:32.04 | milhouse | will probably appear once OS2008 is launched officially |
| 02:32.13 | konttori_ | milhouse, file the bug in garage project |
| 02:32.22 | milhouse | ok kontorri |
| 02:32.23 | _Monkey | kontorri are you in?!? :) |
| 02:32.29 | konttori_ | If you have the time / interest, you can fix the bug yourself as well. |
| 02:32.39 | zerojay | Well, considering the fact that there's been zero response about the leak (that I've seen), I wouldn't think they're too worried about it. |
| 02:33.00 | konttori_ | The most current xterm / vte versions are right there in garage (in case you can access it some day). |
| 02:33.04 | milhouse | of course that will probably have to wait until maemo.org returns... |
| 02:33.11 | zerojay | Found it funny that someone had the balls to have a post about how to update right on Planet. |
| 02:33.31 | disq | zerojay yeah i noticed that too :) |
| 02:33.34 | konttori_ | gbtv announced it as well |
| 02:33.41 | konttori_ | i think that was pretty cool |
| 02:33.48 | milhouse | now how do i file this buttons bug - i'm not really sure how to trigger it as nobody else seems to have it |
| 02:33.53 | milhouse | ooh garage is up |
| 02:33.55 | zerojay | A nice 50/50 battle over buried/loved too. |
| 02:34.17 | zerojay | milhouse: What buttons bug? |
| 02:34.21 | penguinbait | the developers should have already had access to some sort of beta anyway |
| 02:34.28 | milhouse | when i lock my device, it forgets it has any buttons |
| 02:34.32 | milhouse | so i can't unlock it |
| 02:34.36 | penguinbait | development should be ahead of the curve |
| 02:34.36 | milhouse | need to reboot it |
| 02:34.45 | milhouse | garage is v. slow |
| 02:34.46 | zerojay | I've had that happen to me once or twice on ITOS2007. |
| 02:35.03 | milhouse | never had it happen to me on 2007 but it's a regular occurrence on 2008 |
| 02:35.18 | zerojay | I've never had it happen on 2008. |
| 02:35.41 | milhouse | knotorri - is this the link for the 2008 xterm? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm |
| 02:36.27 | milhouse | aha... i didn't reboot it and left it along for a few minutes and now the buttons are working again so i could unlock it... wierd. |
| 02:36.35 | konttori_ | milhouse: yeah |
| 02:37.00 | milhouse | thanks |
| 02:37.30 | konttori_ | so, if you want the latest and greatest, take a look into the osso-xterm and vte folders |
| 02:37.39 | konttori_ | should be easy to compile |
| 02:37.58 | milhouse | isn't it going to be a bit confusing having some items of the firmware (such as xterm) tracked in garage and the remaining items in bugzilla? |
| 02:38.17 | milhouse | kontorri - that's well out of my capabilities! :) |
| 02:38.39 | konttori_ | yeah. I can ask for the xterm to be added to the public bugzilla. Just thought that if you'd like to report it now, you could do it in garage |
| 02:39.06 | milhouse | ah i see - ok i'm adding it now to garage can cut&paste later once xterm is added to bugzilla |
| 02:39.27 | konttori_ | sounds good. |
| 02:39.29 | milhouse | in fact i'll add one bug (not closing) and one enhancement (close this window) |
| 02:40.16 | disq | zerojay: do you remember the dbus error message? something about machine-id maybe? |
| 02:40.42 | zerojay | disq: No, but I pasted it here. You should be able to find it in the #maemo IRC logs. |
| 02:40.50 | disq | oh ok. and this was 1.0.10, right? |
| 02:40.55 | zerojay | No. |
| 02:41.00 | zerojay | 1.0.9 |
| 02:41.09 | disq | then it's normal. fixed in 1.0.10 which we released tonight :P |
| 02:41.16 | milhouse | shouldn't we have the IT OS operating systems added to the garage list of Operating Systems when reporting bugs? |
| 02:41.32 | zerojay | Yep. I tried updating and it wouldn't work. Removing .9 and then installing .10 worked fine. |
| 02:41.42 | zerojay | milhouse: It is in the list in Bugzilla. |
| 02:41.52 | milhouse | not in garage |
| 02:41.54 | zerojay | I would say that's reasonable enough. |
| 02:41.58 | konttori_ | we had the plan for the close window for a long time ( at least a few weeks), but we had to drop it at some point. I think it's commented out in the code, so if you compile it, you should be able to enable it easily |
| 02:42.01 | *** join/#maemo rhykin (i=rhykin@CURAN.WIFI.WPI.EDU) |
| 02:42.12 | zerojay | milhouse: Another bug to file. :) |
| 02:42.17 | milhouse | hehe |
| 02:42.49 | disq | zerojay: that's because you installed 1.0.9 from the bora repository probably. had the same thing here too. app-mgr now apparently keeps track of which repository you installed a file before upgrading to prevent corruptions |
| 02:42.56 | zerojay | I'd file it myself, but I spent all day with my eyeballs glued to my company's bugzilla and I'm just not in the mood right now. ;) |
| 02:43.03 | zerojay | disq: Yep. |
| 02:43.14 | milhouse | quite a few of the drop downs in the "new bug" form on garage need some attention (Hardware: DEC, HP, SGI, Sun!) and Component (Cog A, Cog B) - bizarre |
| 02:43.33 | zerojay | Some of those are Bugzilla defaults. |
| 02:45.18 | milhouse | yeah just saying they could do with some cleaning up |
| 02:45.41 | milhouse | would have thought we'd be in better shape by now |
| 02:45.58 | elb | so I guess it's odd that maemo.org doesn't load at all, for me, then |
| 02:46.07 | milhouse | not odd at all |
| 02:46.11 | milhouse | :) |
| 02:46.29 | elb | oh? |
| 02:46.42 | elb | I just flipped over here and saw people talking about garage (which I cannot load, either) |
| 02:46.50 | elb | and assumed that meant it worked ;-) |
| 02:46.50 | milhouse | garage is loading very slowly |
| 02:47.04 | milhouse | bugzilla is fine |
| 02:47.07 | milhouse | maemo.org is knackered |
| 02:47.18 | elb | ahh, I see |
| 02:47.22 | zerojay | elb: Hey. |
| 02:47.41 | elb | no doubt I would have learned this if I read more scrollback :-) |
| 02:47.43 | elb | zerojay: hi |
| 02:48.19 | milhouse | dunno why, a moose probably sat on the cable. or something equally bizarre and unlikely. |
| 02:48.52 | elb | a squirrel chewed through the cable that connected the building my office is in and the rest of the world, a few months ago |
| 02:49.02 | elb | AND the redundant backup fiber |
| 02:49.12 | elb | it sucked |
| 02:49.25 | zerojay | In Ohio a few months ago, there was a big fibre outage. |
| 02:49.29 | rhykin | milhouse: site not working? :/ |
| 02:49.34 | zerojay | Turns out it was because of a drive-by shooting. |
| 02:49.55 | elb | someone shot a fiber? |
| 02:50.09 | zerojay | Not on purpose. |
| 02:50.16 | zerojay | But yeah. |
| 02:50.16 | elb | no doubt |
| 02:50.19 | milhouse | elb - someone actually did that a while ago, pumped it full of shotgun pellets (can't remember where, somewhere in the states) |
| 02:50.57 | milhouse | here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/22/gunplay_triggers_net_slowdown/ |
| 02:50.59 | elb | I know there was a problem a while back with some kids shooting out power lines somewhere in the frozen north of the US |
| 02:51.21 | milhouse | obviously tin cans where in short supply at the time |
| 02:51.42 | elb | hah Cleveland |
| 02:51.47 | elb | yeah taht's the same story, more or less |
| 02:51.55 | elb | except interwebz instead of power lines |
| 02:52.54 | elb | people who intentionally damage public property should be punished severely :-P |
| 02:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding. |
| 02:54.16 | elb | severe damage to 2/3 mile of buried cable ... that has to be intentional |
| 02:54.24 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Didn't like what you found on Jablet? ;) |
| 02:55.00 | elb | I don't see how it's even possible, it must not have been buried more than a trivial distance |
| 02:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm, zerojay? |
| 02:55.41 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I'm just kidding. I noticed that you registered, that's all. |
| 02:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Registered |
| 02:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | then I thought about moving all my contacts and changing Jabber servers. . . |
| 02:56.10 | zerojay | That's what the server calls it. ;P |
| 02:56.10 | milhouse | elb: assuming they were buried in the first place, could have been suspended (to save money) |
| 02:56.29 | elb | milhouse: the article that references says the technicians "pulled up" the cable |
| 02:56.42 | milhouse | ah right |
| 02:56.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'll get around to it eventually. :D |
| 02:56.47 | elb | so either it is mistaken (entirely possible), they are using bizarre terminology (possible), or it was buried |
| 02:56.51 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Well, you know your contacts on the different IM services will come with you, right? The only ones you'll need to readd are Jabber contacts. |
| 02:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, good point. |
| 02:57.14 | elb | the media is nearly incompetent to cover anything, but as soon as it says "gun" they become *entirely* incompetent |
| 02:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Still, changing my login info on the client . . . :P |
| 02:57.37 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I know some older servers (including the one on Dreamhost) don't bring them across, which sucks. |
| 02:58.11 | rhykin | since the website is down, does anyone know where i could get directions to install the 3.2/4.0 maemo sdk? |
| 02:58.30 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Let me know if you need any help.. adding transports or whatever. |
| 02:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | Will do. |
| 02:58.50 | zerojay | And now to get to work on this Chumby thing. |
| 02:58.50 | milhouse | elb: no, the register article doesnn't say technicians "pulled up" the cables, it says the technicians "pulled" the cables (ie. they were removed) |
| 02:59.21 | elb | milhouse: another article said "pulled up" |
| 02:59.36 | milhouse | oh right, sorry thought we were both reading the same article (the one i linked) :) |
| 02:59.51 | elb | "TeliaSonera, which lost the northern leg of its US network to the cut, said that the outage began in the early hours of yesterday morning, GMT. When technicians pulled up the affected cable, it appeared to have been shot." <-- http://www.techworld.com/networking/news/index.cfm?newsid=9856 |
| 02:59.59 | milhouse | dunno then, seems bizarre for somene to be able to shoot such a length of buried cable |
| 03:00.05 | elb | as I said, the article that the one you posted *references* says they pulled it up |
| 03:00.05 | zerojay | I'm liking getting forum reply notices so much more from Jabber than by e-mail. So glad I finished that. |
| 03:00.55 | elb | milhouse: particularly given that bullet penetration into soil is absolutely abysmal -- and they allude that it might have been shot, which is even *worse* (less than an inch for any but the largest shot) |
| 03:01.40 | milhouse | yeah, you'd have to be pretty determined... and for nobody to notice as well (it could have been in the middle of nowhere I suppose) |
| 03:01.58 | *** join/#maemo fer (n=fer@alunos.deec.uc.pt) |
| 03:02.19 | fer | hello |
| 03:02.51 | fer | I'm having trouble to access maemo.org , is there a problem in there? |
| 03:02.58 | elb | there's plenty of places between Cleveland and Montville where no one would have noticed ;-) |
| 03:03.24 | elb | there are also plenty of places where lots of people would have noticed, though, so who knows |
| 03:03.33 | elb | freakish things happen all the time, I guess |
| 03:07.05 | jott | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/1020 hm this is interesting |
| 03:12.32 | rhykin | :( |
| 03:17.32 | pupnik | homeless guys under a bridge in minneapolis took out a fiber cable by setting a fire to keep warm |
| 03:18.58 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@58.64.125.151) |
| 03:22.02 | rhykin | im confused |
| 03:22.09 | rhykin | what is: http://test.maemo.org/ |
| 03:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like the old maemo site. |
| 03:25.04 | rhykin | rgr |
| 03:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . I still remember the old Application Catalog wiki page. |
| 03:26.49 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=unique31@ool-457ae2a6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:28.15 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 03:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | It was kinda nice have a one-page overview of all the software available for the platform |
| 03:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | (though a bit sad, too) |
| 03:33.17 | K`zan | Sigh, can't import my bookmarks :-/. |
| 03:33.20 | fer | I'm upgrading my old 770 to the latest 2007os |
| 03:33.32 | *** join/#maemo NickDe (n=fd5ffbab@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 03:33.40 | fer | does anyone know if skype or rtcomm SIP works? |
| 03:33.53 | fer | (on the 770 of course) |
| 03:38.25 | *** join/#maemo TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 03:43.26 | K`zan | I just loaded some of my music to the internal card, how do I get the media player to find it, I can't find anything - like it expects it on the internal RAM?!? |
| 03:43.37 | zerojay | No. |
| 03:43.42 | zerojay | Just copy it over to the card. |
| 03:43.46 | zerojay | That's all. |
| 03:43.59 | zerojay | It will run metacrawler to find your music. |
| 03:44.07 | K`zan | Did, stock stuff is all that is showing. |
| 03:44.16 | K`zan | Ok, lemme close and restart it. |
| 03:44.20 | zerojay | Try removing the card and putting it back in. |
| 03:44.50 | penguinbait | I ran a girl script earlier to keep metalayer busy |
| 03:45.00 | K`zan | OK, lemme unplug and shut everything down and turn off... |
| 03:45.02 | zerojay | A girl script? |
| 03:45.06 | penguinbait | thats probably why :) |
| 03:45.22 | penguinbait | I guess you had to be here earlier :) |
| 03:45.30 | K`zan | Can I leave apps open when I remove/re-install the internal card? |
| 03:46.10 | zerojay | shouldn't make a difference |
| 03:46.20 | penguinbait | GeneralAntilles> Yes, lonely, penguinbait, it spends all its time looking for companionship on your SD cards and finding none. ;) |
| 03:46.39 | K`zan | ok, done, lets see if it finds the music directory now. |
| 03:47.06 | penguinbait | we didnt want it to be lonely anymore :) |
| 03:47.22 | GeneralAntilles | Blind date for metalayer-crawler? |
| 03:47.30 | K`zan | Nope, still only finds the stock stuff :-/. My music isn't going to fit on the internal memory :-(. |
| 03:47.41 | K`zan | Well, in small chunks anyway. |
| 03:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | Give it a minute |
| 03:47.51 | zerojay | K`zan: What tablet do you have? |
| 03:47.56 | penguinbait | hes a pleaser, it may take a while ;) |
| 03:48.00 | K`zan | n800 |
| 03:48.05 | K`zan | 2007, latest |
| 03:48.37 | K`zan | Library appears to be fixed in internal memory :-(. |
| 03:48.43 | zerojay | It's not. |
| 03:48.45 | K`zan | Rather useless... |
| 03:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | metalayer-crawler will find media anywhere. |
| 03:48.56 | K`zan | I see no way to change it?!? |
| 03:48.57 | zerojay | And it's not. |
| 03:49.14 | zerojay | There's no reason to change anything because it indexes both of your SD cards. |
| 03:49.21 | K`zan | 128M for system and apps doesn't leave much for things like music... |
| 03:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, you aren't listening |
| 03:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | it indexes all memory for media files. |
| 03:49.39 | zerojay | Because that's what the SD card slots are for. |
| 03:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just give it a minute. |
| 03:49.43 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: What am I missing. |
| 03:50.04 | K`zan | It has been sitting here for a bit now while I was looking through the menu... |
| 03:50.23 | zerojay | The number of songs listed doesn't update on its own. |
| 03:50.40 | zerojay | You have to kind of switch categories and if you go back, you'll notice the number's changed. |
| 03:50.49 | zerojay | K`zan: What format are your music files anyways? |
| 03:50.58 | K`zan | mp3s |
| 03:51.11 | K`zan | All there in file manager... |
| 03:52.09 | zerojay | Open media player. |
| 03:52.31 | *** join/#maemo hfwilke (n=hfwilke@111.sub-70-218-226.myvzw.com) |
| 03:52.43 | K`zan | OK, closed and re-launched - up. |
| 03:52.55 | zerojay | Go to the library. |
| 03:53.08 | K`zan | Comes up in library. |
| 03:53.18 | zerojay | what comes up in library? |
| 03:53.24 | K`zan | Media player |
| 03:53.24 | _Monkey | rumour has it Media player is the only app running |
| 03:53.33 | zerojay | Open Music. |
| 03:53.37 | K`zan | No, got xchat and fbreader |
| 03:53.49 | K`zan | 1 artist |
| 03:54.30 | zerojay | If you double click the songs in file manager, will it play them? |
| 03:54.53 | K`zan | dunno, lemme open that and give it try. |
| 03:55.24 | K`zan | That worked! |
| 03:55.39 | K`zan | Brought it up in media player. |
| 03:55.58 | K`zan | Needs a bit more bass :) |
| 03:56.08 | zerojay | Did you do anything stupid like create a recursive link on your memory cards or in your home directory? |
| 03:56.51 | K`zan | No Sir. Installed the SD cards and formatted them and used USB to this box to transfer stuff I wanted (including music) to the cards. |
| 03:57.58 | K`zan | At this point I have no idea how to create something like that :). |
| 03:58.04 | zerojay | Have you done any sort of out of the ordinary changes to your tablet? |
| 03:58.53 | K`zan | No, just got it this afternoon, installed xchat, fbreader and got wireless working. |
| 03:59.02 | zerojay | very odd. |
| 03:59.04 | K`zan | reverse order. |
| 03:59.57 | K`zan | Something is weird... Stuff in playlist but it is all null |
| 04:00.23 | zerojay | Maybe your mp3s are badly corrupted or just plain weird. |
| 04:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot couldn't hurt. |
| 04:00.49 | zerojay | Yes, reboot. |
| 04:00.50 | *** join/#maemo ol_schoola (n=meatwad@c-67-162-50-202.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:01.01 | K`zan | How does one hold ctl-alt-del on this thing? |
| 04:01.13 | zerojay | Hold down the power button for a few seconds. |
| 04:01.45 | Robot101 | open the back, and do a patent-pending nokia flick to make the battery fall out (hit the device against your cupped hand) |
| 04:01.54 | K`zan | NOKIA |
| 04:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | seriously |
| 04:02.16 | zerojay | Robot101: You don't have to do anything but pull it out. |
| 04:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Need fingernails for that. ;) |
| 04:02.45 | zerojay | No, you don't. |
| 04:02.48 | zerojay | I don't have them. |
| 04:02.54 | Robot101 | pull? this sounds like I have ti o involve my fingers. believe me, this is the quickest way. I can do it in about half a second. :) |
| 04:02.57 | zerojay | chew them off all the time. :) |
| 04:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, really, the flick is beautiful. |
| 04:03.22 | *** join/#maemo micky_ (n=micky@91-180-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 04:03.26 | zerojay | Robot101: If you don't mind subjecting your tablet to the shock, sure. |
| 04:03.32 | K`zan | Nice blue behind the keys |
| 04:03.34 | K`zan | pad |
| 04:03.54 | Robot101 | my tablets are all fine :) |
| 04:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, it's not a running hard drive, zerojay. :P |
| 04:04.10 | zerojay | We have a few phones at work that have died because of that. |
| 04:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | K`zan, OS2008 actually makes that useful, too. |
| 04:04.59 | K`zan | The light? |
| 04:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 04:05.12 | GeneralAntilles | For e-mails, IMs, calls and such. |
| 04:05.38 | Robot101 | these phones sound weak compared to the might of the nokia tablet hardware :) |
| 04:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | That tablets are disturbingly strong. |
| 04:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | Just wish the backpanel on the N800 weren't so loose. |
| 04:06.24 | K`zan | Cleaning up email, changed it to n800 and server and now can't change it back :-/. |
| 04:06.25 | zerojay | We killed a Sony Ericsson within a week that way. |
| 04:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | email is horrible on the ITs |
| 04:07.18 | zerojay | I still don't see what's so bad about it. |
| 04:07.48 | K`zan | Ah, OK, got it now, have to open it to just delete from n800 |
| 04:07.56 | Robot101 | zerojay: see? sony ericsson. weak. :) |
| 04:08.35 | zerojay | Robot101: It's one of about 20 phones that have died because of people doing that at work. |
| 04:08.51 | zerojay | Robot101: Across all manufacturers. |
| 04:09.45 | Robot101 | sounds like the phones crash too much too :D |
| 04:10.23 | zerojay | If you want a great phone for that, get a SE W910i from Orange (French operator). |
| 04:10.42 | zerojay | They were all recalled because some of them had a problem where exactly 10 seconds into any call, the phone would reboot. |
| 04:10.49 | Robot101 | stunning |
| 04:10.56 | zerojay | Very. |
| 04:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | How does that even get released? |
| 04:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | Do they do Q&A and just say, "Well . . . we'll fix it in the recall" |
| 04:11.47 | zerojay | I wonder that same thing each and every time some phone comes out with a stupid error. |
| 04:11.53 | zerojay | Like this one Samsung. |
| 04:12.08 | K`zan | OK, looks like the music stuff got found now. |
| 04:12.31 | K`zan | So, if I USB stuff to the card I have to shutdown and pull the battery and card and restart? |
| 04:12.49 | K`zan | Or was this just a fluke?!? |
| 04:13.06 | zerojay | All fillrect top and bottoms have 1 subtracted. |
| 04:13.43 | zerojay | So if you make an unfilled rectangle one pixel thick all the way around, you just get two bars, not a rectangle. |
| 04:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | It was probably just taking its time indexing |
| 04:14.18 | zerojay | K`zan: Shouldn't ever need to be done that way. |
| 04:14.28 | K`zan | OK, that makes me feel better :-)! Thanks! |
| 04:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | You really don't EVER need to take the battery out unless the device is hard crashed. |
| 04:14.51 | GeneralAntilles | Which, even then, the hardware watchdog should take care of that. |
| 04:14.56 | K`zan | Other than that, everything seemed fine. |
| 04:15.17 | K`zan | 80M of music might take a bit to index. |
| 04:15.21 | captlloyd | So what's everyone think (that's tried it) of OS2008 vs 2007? |
| 04:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's exceptional. |
| 04:15.43 | K`zan | Is 2008 formally released or is it just a beta? |
| 04:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's neither |
| 04:15.53 | captlloyd | AFIK its just been leaked |
| 04:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | It's sort of a leak. |
| 04:16.05 | K`zan | Looks formal, but I thought it was to be released only when the 810 came out. |
| 04:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | But that's not really accurate, either. |
| 04:16.31 | pupnik | two weeks... |
| 04:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | The best way to describe it, would be that it's the firmware image for another device that's been mildly finessed to go onto the N800. |
| 04:16.59 | K`zan | Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue... |
| 04:17.07 | captlloyd | Anyone know anything about this thing where when its locked the keys stop working? |
| 04:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just install it. ;) |
| 04:17.29 | captlloyd | I'll supposedly have my N810 Monday or Tuesday after next. |
| 04:17.38 | captlloyd | I don't have anything to put it on yet |
| 04:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | The version that's going to ship on the N810 can't possibly be the version that's on maemo.org right now. |
| 04:18.25 | zerojay | No. |
| 04:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | Inside sources have said as much. |
| 04:18.32 | zerojay | I also don't recommend n00bs install it. |
| 04:18.42 | K`zan | I heard that :) |
| 04:18.48 | zerojay | They'll be far too disappointed by the lack of apps. |
| 04:19.07 | K`zan | 19 and counting! |
| 04:19.13 | captlloyd | Do you think that apps for 2007 will come over to 2008 pretty quickly? |
| 04:19.25 | zerojay | Depends on the developers. |
| 04:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | They'll be coming in a deluge over the next 2 weeks. |
| 04:19.59 | pupnik | captlloyd: says who? How are you getting it? |
| 04:20.17 | captlloyd | http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=22832 |
| 04:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is all but officially ported. |
| 04:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | So there's one off the list. |
| 04:20.37 | captlloyd | Yeah, mapper is one I really wanna use |
| 04:21.13 | erich141 | fbreader is officially ported and works perfectly so far on os2008 |
| 04:21.33 | K`zan | How does one change the category of an app? |
| 04:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | The only stuff I'm really missing are the games. |
| 04:21.41 | GeneralAntilles | control panel |
| 04:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | navigation |
| 04:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | organize |
| 04:22.15 | K`zan | Thanks! |
| 04:24.21 | fer | hey there.. |
| 04:24.21 | captlloyd | I mostly wanna use mine for IRC, basic web surfing and IM. It'll be so awesome to not have to set up with a laptop to do that. |
| 04:24.29 | fer | anyone knows if videocenter is available for 2008os ? |
| 04:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet. |
| 04:25.34 | zerojay | Yeah, I'm a little bummed about that. |
| 04:25.49 | fer | I instaled os2007_hacker_edition on my old 770... |
| 04:25.57 | fer | but skype didn't work... |
| 04:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | I never really got into video center. |
| 04:26.26 | fer | It installed fine... and starts.. but crashes a sec later... |
| 04:26.42 | zerojay | 770 doesn't have the horsepower for Skype. |
| 04:28.38 | Robot101 | it'd probably work fine, but the client tests your device ID to see if you have an N800 |
| 04:28.50 | Robot101 | it doesn't even work on prototype non-sales N800s |
| 04:29.59 | zerojay | Like I said, it doesn't have the power to run it anyways. |
| 04:30.00 | fer | ok then.. |
| 04:30.04 | zerojay | Not in real-time, anyways. |
| 04:31.20 | captlloyd | The flash in the N810, the one sites list as 256MB, what is that used for? The OS image? Swap Space? |
| 04:32.41 | fer | how about rtcomm? |
| 04:32.51 | fer | It installed.. but had some error... |
| 04:33.09 | fer | but now I do get an option to create a sip account.. |
| 04:33.18 | zerojay | rtcomm on the 770? |
| 04:33.20 | fer | yes |
| 04:33.35 | zerojay | Wouldn't suggest it. |
| 04:33.35 | *** join/#maemo fabv (i=fabv@gateway/tor/x-daf178fc176f8d4a) |
| 04:33.43 | Robot101 | fabv: I'd be interested to hear if you have problems |
| 04:33.49 | fer | should work... as gtalk works.. |
| 04:33.57 | Robot101 | fabv: dang you tricked my tab-completion :) |
| 04:33.59 | Robot101 | fer: ^^ |
| 04:36.49 | fer | Robot101, :p |
| 04:38.03 | pupnik | zerojay: that's odd - compressing and playing back audio should not overtax the 770 |
| 04:39.57 | zerojay | pupnik: It doesn't. |
| 04:40.19 | zerojay | pupnik: But doing both in real-time with proprietary codecs do. |
| 04:41.38 | pupnik | boo for skype coders then |
| 04:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, zerojay, I'm setup on jablet. ;) |
| 04:45.49 | K`zan | jablet?!? |
| 04:46.06 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Cool. :) |
| 04:46.10 | fer | WTF !!!! |
| 04:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://jablet.net/ |
| 04:46.22 | K`zan | tnx checking |
| 04:46.25 | fer | the browser on the 770 is faster than the one on the n800 !! |
| 04:46.29 | zerojay | K`zan: Jablet's a site I'm working on offering services to tablet users. |
| 04:46.48 | Robot101 | zerojay: skype doesn't use proprietary codecs |
| 04:46.52 | fer | testing in a side by side comparison... |
| 04:47.04 | fer | 770 has 2007 hacked edition... (opera) |
| 04:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | I call boloney. ;) |
| 04:47.11 | zerojay | Robot101: I want whatever you've been smoking. |
| 04:47.15 | fer | n800 has 2008os... |
| 04:47.27 | Robot101 | ok, let me rephrase, they don't use /software/ codecs so the fact they're proprietary is irrelevant |
| 04:47.34 | Robot101 | yes they are proprietary |
| 04:47.39 | Robot101 | but they're implemented on the DSP |
| 04:47.45 | K`zan | zerojay: RR, will check it out here soon, bookmarked |
| 04:47.49 | Robot101 | and the 770's DSP is broadly similar in capability to the N800s |
| 04:47.56 | Robot101 | and certainly has iLBC which skype can use |
| 04:48.23 | zerojay | K`zan: We're currently offering Jabber (with connections to all the major IM programs) for free which you can use with the built-in Jabber client. No need to download and install Pidgin. |
| 04:48.36 | Robot101 | (but not G.729 which was new in the mid-year OS 2007 release) |
| 04:48.37 | zerojay | E-mail too. |
| 04:48.52 | zerojay | But we've got big plans for all sorts of other services. |
| 04:48.55 | zerojay | All free. |
| 04:49.25 | Robot101 | but my gut feeling is that if it would run, skype would probably work on the 770, but maybe with decreased voice quality because it'd be more susceptible to scheduling blips |
| 04:50.14 | Robot101 | the skype client on the N800 doesn't use that much CPU%, but when some bug was redrawing the whole screen of the UI the audio went totally to crap |
| 04:52.06 | zerojay | K`zan: In the future, we're looking into doing stuff such as hosting blogs, having a sort of "my online life" pulling stuff from various RSS feeds.. sort of like you can do with Jaiku. |
| 04:52.28 | zerojay | Your latest played tracks from Last.Fm, latest pictures added to Flickr, latest blog posts, etc... |
| 04:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody notice that Browse buttons have a tendency to nuke the GUI under OS2008? |
| 04:52.57 | zerojay | What browse buttons? |
| 04:53.09 | Robot101 | maybe you could make a maemo UI for mugshot :) |
| 04:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Avatar for Jabber, etc. |
| 04:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | Background select |
| 04:53.28 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Never once had that problem. |
| 04:53.40 | zerojay | Robot101: Mugshot's a photo service, right? |
| 04:54.01 | Robot101 | no, it's a meta-thingy like you describe |
| 04:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, there's number 3 |
| 04:54.14 | Robot101 | a web service which lets you pull together blogs, last.fm, flickr, etc |
| 04:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | can't pick an avatar for Jablet |
| 04:54.20 | zerojay | Didn't know about it. |
| 04:54.36 | Robot101 | and they have a windows/gnome client to give you notifications |
| 04:54.45 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Odd. Never had a problem with it.. and I just changed my background maybe 20 times today. |
| 04:54.50 | Robot101 | and you can share links and jump into chat rooms about popular links |
| 04:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Weirdness |
| 04:55.01 | Robot101 | its a bit odd, not sure why redhat spent as much engineer time on it as they did |
| 04:55.18 | Robot101 | practicing or something |
| 04:55.56 | elb | word Robot101 |
| 04:56.07 | Robot101 | elb: word |
| 04:56.30 | elb | telepathizing maemo? |
| 04:56.39 | *** join/#maemo Lateralus (n=Derek@cpe-66-75-55-95.san.res.rr.com) |
| 04:56.54 | Robot101 | elb: the in-built stuff is built on telepathy |
| 04:56.57 | zerojay | Heh.. right on the front page is the Maemo group on Mugshot. |
| 04:57.05 | elb | Robot101: nice |
| 04:57.07 | Robot101 | elb: a significant part of my salary for the past 2 years has been from Nokia |
| 04:57.18 | elb | nicer |
| 04:58.16 | Robot101 | http://www.collabora.co.uk/16/press-release-2 |
| 04:58.41 | Robot101 | :) |
| 04:58.46 | Robot101 | elb: getting and N810? |
| 04:58.51 | Robot101 | s/and/an/ |
| 04:59.00 | Robot101 | s/infobot// |
| 04:59.18 | elb | yeah |
| 04:59.33 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Sorry, not many people in the room right now. ;) |
| 05:02.49 | Robot101 | elb: they're very nice pieces of kit, the keyboard makes a big difference, and the size is now small enough to be pocketed without antoo much bother |
| 05:03.32 | elb | and the battery life continues to creep up toward acceptable ;-) |
| 05:04.07 | fer | has anyone here actually seen the display of the new n810? |
| 05:04.15 | fer | how does it compare with the n800 or 770? |
| 05:04.53 | fer | (I have both 770 and n800 and find then slightly different...) |
| 05:05.05 | fer | (770 has a warmer sharper colours) |
| 05:05.31 | fer | (n800 has cooler (blue) colours... and not as sharp as the 770...) |
| 05:05.40 | fer | what do you think? |
| 05:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | N800's display is leaps and bounds better than the 770's |
| 05:06.23 | fer | GeneralAntilles, what do yo umea? |
| 05:06.26 | fer | mean |
| 05:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly what I said. |
| 05:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Colors are better, clarity is better |
| 05:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | The touchscreen is better. |
| 05:06.52 | fer | I find the 770 screen much sharper.. |
| 05:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | Probably an illusion of the dithering from the touchscreen. |
| 05:07.59 | fer | i do have the original screen protector on my n800, though... |
| 05:08.09 | fer | and the 770 doesn't have one at all.. |
| 05:08.13 | zerojay | Er.. |
| 05:08.19 | zerojay | That's not supposed to be there in use. |
| 05:08.34 | zerojay | That's just something flimsy to protect the screen during shipping. |
| 05:08.39 | Robot101 | original? as in, the piece of crap it ships with? take it off and marvel at what the screen's meant to look like |
| 05:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:08.48 | fer | :) |
| 05:08.48 | Robot101 | that thing scratches and marks. the real screen doesn't |
| 05:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | I left mine on for 6 months. |
| 05:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | Until I got 'round to buying a real one. |
| 05:09.09 | *** join/#maemo pupnik_ (n=pupnik@dslb-084-059-046-209.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:10.00 | fer | ok.. |
| 05:10.31 | Robot101 | the screens don't scratch that easily anyway, I dunno what people are so scared of |
| 05:10.50 | elb | I never put any sort of protector on my Palm |
| 05:11.10 | fer | RobAtWork, I'll tell you what... other people.. who want to "try" your tablet... |
| 05:11.10 | elb | I also didn't chew on my stylus or try to use an emory board for input |
| 05:11.18 | elb | maybe these differ from common habits |
| 05:11.26 | fer | RobAtWork, and end up making a big scratch right on the middle of the screen ! |
| 05:11.43 | Robot101 | I don't hand my tablet to people who would do such a thing |
| 05:11.50 | Robot101 | the stylus doesn't scratch the screen |
| 05:11.53 | *** part/#maemo captlloyd (n=captain@64.53.38.58) |
| 05:11.59 | *** join/#maemo captlloyd (n=captain@64.53.38.58) |
| 05:12.03 | Robot101 | I never put any protectors on anything, I just maintain a key / phone pocket exclusion :) |
| 05:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:12.35 | GeneralAntilles | Amen to that, Robot101. |
| 05:12.50 | GeneralAntilles | Electronics on the right and keys and Leatherman on the left. ;) |
| 05:15.37 | elb | hah |
| 05:16.41 | K`zan | Going to have to figure out someway to get my bookmarks from firefox in. Something about them the n800 browser doesn't like :-(. |
| 05:17.14 | elb | my equipment damage problems are more subtle than keys -> cell phone |
| 05:17.38 | elb | it's things like flashlight bezel in left front pocket -> cell pouch on belt |
| 05:18.00 | elb | or * -> {pants,shirt} |
| 05:18.03 | K`zan | If I can get fbreader to pick up all my ebooks, the Zire31 goes in the trash... |
| 05:18.31 | *** join/#maemo _San_ (n=traveler@cpe-71-72-152-147.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 05:18.37 | *** join/#maemo ntrs_ (n=ntrs@79.125.224.31) |
| 05:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | Don't throw it out! |
| 05:18.43 | elb | isn't there a palm emulator? |
| 05:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | There is. |
| 05:18.59 | K`zan | Aha! Make a web page out of my firefox bookmarks and use that to link out of. |
| 05:19.14 | _San_ | Hello. |
| 05:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, _San_. |
| 05:19.37 | K`zan | The digitizer on the Z31 is shit, was on the last one too. Never stays in calibration long. |
| 05:20.07 | _San_ | What is this place? |
| 05:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, the transport for AIM is much nicer than the one from netlab.cz. Actually supports away status and UTF usernames. :) |
| 05:20.21 | captlloyd | this is IRC _San_ |
| 05:20.41 | _San_ | Yea, but what are you guys talking about here? |
| 05:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | This is the official room for the Nokia Internet Tablets (770, N800, N810) |
| 05:20.50 | _San_ | Wtf is that? |
| 05:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | Well, more specifically, the maemo platform |
| 05:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 05:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800 |
| 05:21.05 | *** part/#maemo _San_ (n=traveler@cpe-71-72-152-147.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 05:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | Pft |
| 05:21.26 | captlloyd | BTW, is maemo.org down? |
| 05:21.33 | elb | I love users like that |
| 05:22.08 | K`zan | captlloyd: maemo.org has been flakey since I started looking at it and it has been pretty much down all day today. |
| 05:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's been incredibly flacky today, captlloyd. |
| 05:22.35 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yep, that's part of the reason I chose the server I did and didn't want to go with someone else serving it for us. |
| 05:23.17 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Dunno if display pictures are working on the tablets... but I think a fix for those is coming soon. |
| 05:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | No worries |
| 05:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | The little OS2008 generic dude looks good. :) |
| 05:24.12 | zerojay | hah |
| 05:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is so lickable. |
| 05:26.33 | zerojay | It's incredible. |
| 05:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's all Apple-y goodness. |
| 05:27.02 | zerojay | ...uh.. no. |
| 05:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 05:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | The new Jabber-client icons remind me very much of iChat. ;) |
| 05:27.38 | K`zan | As soon as fbreader is ported, I'll upgrade :). |
| 05:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's out. |
| 05:28.27 | K`zan | Sigh, now I need to figure out how to do that :-). Guess I can install the installer in a wincrap vm. |
| 05:28.43 | K`zan | Fortunately I didn't do a lot to 2007 :). |
| 05:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | Why windows? |
| 05:29.11 | K`zan | In the 9 hours I have had it :) |
| 05:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | The best installer is on Linux. ;) |
| 05:29.26 | *** join/#maemo rambokid (n=timj@e176203011.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 05:29.30 | K`zan | That is what all the n800 stuff is for :-( (/me HATES wincrap). |
| 05:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | (well, excluding Jaffa's excellent flasher) |
| 05:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing you need desktop-side is the flasher |
| 05:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | which is available for Linux and OS X in a CLI form. |
| 05:30.08 | K`zan | Yes, but I don't normall run wincrap |
| 05:30.17 | K`zan | Ah, even BETTER! |
| 05:30.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | I was going to say. >_> |
| 05:30.45 | K`zan | nokia N800 tablet updater linux |
| 05:30.53 | K`zan | ww |
| 05:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 05:32.32 | K`zan | flasher-3.0-static ? |
| 05:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just use flasher-3.0 |
| 05:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | but somebody more knowledgeable may have some input. |
| 05:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got a Chumby |
| 05:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like the most useless thing ever. |
| 05:34.25 | zerojay | haha |
| 05:34.29 | zerojay | I got it running on Jablet. |
| 05:34.46 | zerojay | Working on allowing users to use their own channels. |
| 05:35.16 | captlloyd | Oh man, Chumby, why did I bother paying almost $500 for an N810, that would've done everything I need! ;) |
| 05:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the flickr album is a little more revealing. |
| 05:38.21 | K`zan | The update appears to me on maemo, if so I am not going to be able to get it now. |
| 05:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html |
| 05:40.31 | *** join/#maemo Solarion_ (n=solarion@cruftix.physics.uiowa.edu) |
| 05:41.42 | K`zan | # Go to the N810 software download page. |
| 05:41.47 | K`zan | n810? |
| 05:41.48 | _Monkey | i think n810 is a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot... |
| 05:42.06 | K`zan | I got an n800, will the 810 one work on the n800? |
| 05:42.16 | elb | yeah, and those cards are totally NOT removable |
| 05:42.16 | K`zan | I thought there was a special one for the n800? |
| 05:42.34 | elb | I thought they were, but so many people have been worrying about that that I assume they solder themselves in place on insertion |
| 05:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | No, K`zan. It's just the N810 image. |
| 05:44.21 | K`zan | err, yes, that is what I want, right? |
| 05:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 05:45.00 | K`zan | OK downloading it, should I back up what is on the n800 just in case horrible things happen? |
| 05:46.06 | K`zan | RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 05:46.23 | K`zan | There is a 2007 one out there someplace, just in case, right? |
| 05:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 05:46.33 | GeneralAntilles | Backup to save your settings, though. |
| 05:46.46 | K`zan | OK, pardon if I am a little nervious having had this for all of 9 hours now :) |
| 05:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said before, over 2 dozen flashes on 3 devices. ;) |
| 05:47.22 | K`zan | Yes, but you are braver than I am ;-)! |
| 05:47.46 | *** join/#maemo penguinbait (n=kvirc@c-68-61-40-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:49.02 | *** join/#maemo npt-laptop (n=npt@12-218-7-27.client.mchsi.com) |
| 05:49.23 | K`zan | Good md5! |
| 05:49.31 | K`zan | here we go.... |
| 05:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | Man, browsing through Virtual Console really brings back memories. |
| 05:51.17 | zerojay | Sad that I've got more of those games on my PSP than Nintendo will put on VC. |
| 05:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 05:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | The best part of VC are the 64 ports that actually work right. |
| 05:52.34 | zerojay | Vibration is broken, I believe. |
| 05:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work on the computer, either. |
| 05:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm not worried. ;) |
| 05:53.09 | zerojay | Yes, it does. |
| 05:53.10 | K`zan | /home/vw/zdl/n800-2008} $ ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode |
| 05:53.11 | K`zan | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) |
| 05:53.11 | K`zan | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 05:53.19 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't work OVER HERE. :) |
| 05:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hold home while powering up? |
| 05:53.53 | zerojay | Don't get Guitar Hero 3 for the Wii. |
| 05:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't buy Guitar Hero anything. |
| 05:54.08 | zerojay | Neversoft fucked up the build. |
| 05:54.09 | K`zan | err, no, it was just on. Killing and trying again... |
| 05:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | I have a real guitar and know how to play it. :D |
| 05:54.30 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but that's nowhere near as fun. |
| 05:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | See the South Park episode. |
| 05:54.45 | penguinbait | I just bought a wii today |
| 05:55.00 | penguinbait | Christmas present for the kids :) |
| 05:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's a fun one. :) |
| 05:55.22 | zerojay | Neversoft screwed up their final of GH3... the game says it supports all sorts of Dolby and so on... but the build has mono sound forced. |
| 05:55.34 | zerojay | Wii problem, only. |
| 05:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Don't forget Twilight Princess, penguinbait. |
| 05:55.47 | K`zan | Which one is the "home" key? |
| 05:55.54 | zerojay | The one with the house? |
| 05:55.58 | penguinbait | My kids love zelda |
| 05:56.10 | K`zan | Ah, says that is the swap key here |
| 05:56.21 | zerojay | I have yet to play a 3D version of Zelda that I've liked yet. |
| 05:56.25 | penguinbait | has anyone played smash bros on wii |
| 05:56.28 | K`zan | On the quick start guide... |
| 05:56.32 | penguinbait | I love smash bros |
| 05:56.33 | zerojay | penguinbait: Not out yet. |
| 05:56.44 | penguinbait | it was at the store I was at today |
| 05:56.47 | zerojay | Smash is a great game, no doubt. |
| 05:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's not out, penguinbait. |
| 05:56.50 | GeneralAntilles | Next year. |
| 05:56.51 | penguinbait | I didnt buy it though |
| 05:56.58 | zerojay | penguinbait: You probably saw the prerelease boxes. |
| 05:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay just hates Nintendo. :P |
| 05:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | Twilight Princess was epic |
| 05:57.10 | K`zan | Didn't work, seems to have come up normally... |
| 05:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ocarina was orgasmic |
| 05:57.13 | penguinbait | Mario rules!!!! |
| 05:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | Majora's Mask was a little weird, but fun once you got used to it. |
| 05:57.26 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: No, that's the problem.. I *love* Nintendo.. and that's why everything they've been doing recently has been just annoying me to no end. |
| 05:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | Windwaker was a little too weird |
| 05:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | but I enjoyed it. |
| 05:57.44 | rhykin | man |
| 05:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ocarina has got to be one of the greatest games of all time. |
| 05:57.55 | zerojay | The 3d Zelda games don't feel like Zelda to me. |
| 05:57.56 | rhykin | installing this sdk w/o an internet connection is brutal |
| 05:57.59 | zerojay | They just feel so generic. |
| 05:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I grew up on 3d Zelda |
| 05:58.18 | GeneralAntilles | So maybe my perceptions are a bit skewed. |
| 05:58.20 | zerojay | I grew up on the originals. |
| 05:58.29 | penguinbait | I grew up on zelda NES |
| 05:58.31 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 05:58.37 | K`zan | Nope, just comes up normally GeneralAntilles |
| 05:58.50 | K`zan | Same message... |
| 05:58.57 | K`zan | Lemme try some other keys |
| 05:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | Holding down power button and Home key at the same time? |
| 05:59.12 | zerojay | The 3d Zeldas, Mario Kart 64... pretty much around that time was when I started losing my faith in Nintendo. |
| 05:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 05:59.25 | K`zan | If that is the same as the swap key, yes. |
| 05:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Mario Kart was another genius game. |
| 05:59.38 | zerojay | The original, yes. |
| 05:59.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a little house on it. ;) |
| 05:59.40 | penguinbait | I love mario Kart |
| 05:59.42 | K`zan | The very bottom one. |
| 05:59.48 | penguinbait | All of the rule |
| 05:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | 64, I mean. ;) |
| 05:59.49 | zerojay | The GBA versions were also very good. |
| 06:00.00 | zerojay | The 64 version was probably the disappointment of my life. |
| 06:00.11 | penguinbait | super/64/DS/CUBE |
| 06:00.14 | K`zan | Yep, hold that, push power and it just comes up and I get the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" message |
| 06:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 06:00.34 | penguinbait | all rule, I loved kart on snes when it came out |
| 06:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | I played HUNDREDS of hours of Mario Kart 64 |
| 06:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | I STILL play it every once and a while. |
| 06:00.47 | K`zan | Push power and then hit the home key? |
| 06:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | No, push them at the same time. |
| 06:00.54 | penguinbait | the ds is pretty sweet when playing with the kids |
| 06:00.57 | zerojay | DS version's alright. Double Dash having the problem where the character positions don't affect the handling of the cart killed it for me. |
| 06:01.11 | *** join/#maemo mk8 (n=GLaforge@151.16.207.1) |
| 06:01.17 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I don't know how you could have played it that much. I found that game so dog slow and easy. |
| 06:01.29 | K`zan | Ah, OK, I was pushing home and then power... |
| 06:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | Multiplayer |
| 06:01.54 | zerojay | I remember putting it on for the first time at work (when I was working at a game store) and thinking "oh my god.. it is blurred to all hell and runs at like 10 frames a second" |
| 06:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | that, smash, and goldeneye |
| 06:02.11 | zerojay | Smash and Goldeneye were great. |
| 06:02.11 | K`zan | Nope |
| 06:02.15 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, maybe I was just young. |
| 06:02.27 | zerojay | Goldeneye doesn't hold up well these days though. |
| 06:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, no |
| 06:02.32 | pupnik_ | new dosbox deb is up. autostarts xkbd. |
| 06:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | but it was the beginning of console FPS |
| 06:02.43 | zerojay | Proximity mines were my favorite. |
| 06:02.49 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Could the charger being plugged in be hosing this? |
| 06:02.58 | GeneralAntilles | Could be |
| 06:02.59 | zerojay | K`zan: Yes. |
| 06:03.13 | K`zan | Ah, unplugging and trying again, thanks much! |
| 06:03.20 | zerojay | K`zan: You are supposed to have a full battery and have your tablet unplugged from the power outlet. |
| 06:03.20 | penguinbait | I was trying to get Windows 311 running on dosbox, it gets through install but dies on starting windows during setup |
| 06:03.37 | penguinbait | I guess I had to much time on my hands |
| 06:03.44 | K`zan | Worked, next step... |
| 06:03.47 | zerojay | I still play the 64 version of Smash occasionally on my Xbox. |
| 06:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's pretty good |
| 06:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | Melee is a little more nuanced. |
| 06:04.22 | penguinbait | I play 64 smash on PC |
| 06:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | My friends all destroy me in it though. |
| 06:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | They compete in tournaments and such. |
| 06:05.00 | zerojay | Yeah, people got really hardcore about that game which is funny because it's meant to be the complete opposite. |
| 06:05.09 | penguinbait | My kids are getting older, my 14 year old buy whips my butt in everything :( |
| 06:05.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:06.24 | penguinbait | Ah thats what I get for yelling in your face to a 4 year old |
| 06:06.27 | penguinbait | lol |
| 06:07.05 | zerojay | I'm not doing that again after the last time. |
| 06:07.23 | zerojay | I was joking around, acting like a poor winner on purpose just to see what my 7 year old would do. |
| 06:07.31 | zerojay | He straight punched me in the balls. |
| 06:07.34 | K`zan | Worked, thanks MUCH everyone! |
| 06:07.36 | penguinbait | oof |
| 06:07.53 | zerojay | and at his height.. perfect alignment. |
| 06:07.54 | K`zan | Now I need a clever device name other than Nokia N800 :) |
| 06:08.12 | zerojay | I called mine crack whore one day. |
| 06:08.25 | K`zan | Something I assume you can change? |
| 06:08.35 | zerojay | And since BT is so extensively used at work, everyone was asking "who the fuck is crack whore?" |
| 06:08.38 | zerojay | Yep. |
| 06:08.39 | penguinbait | mine is sneaky |
| 06:08.52 | penguinbait | my firewall is sleepy |
| 06:09.03 | penguinbait | it up all the time :) |
| 06:09.06 | K`zan | Witch3 :-) as I don't know witch1 it is :) |
| 06:09.08 | zerojay | Heh. |
| 06:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha, zerojay. |
| 06:09.14 | zerojay | BT on the N800 is fun. |
| 06:09.29 | zerojay | I was in Montreal at an open wireless hotspot in a mall. |
| 06:09.39 | zerojay | Lots of people around with laptops, obviously. |
| 06:09.45 | zerojay | Someone was sending out mp3s. |
| 06:10.01 | zerojay | So I took one mp3 I had and renamed it 1.mp3 and sent it out to everyone. |
| 06:10.19 | K`zan | This phone selection I can do anytime, right. I doubt I will ever use it... |
| 06:10.20 | zerojay | One by one, just about every computer had The Price Is Right theme blaring. |
| 06:10.26 | zerojay | Everyone was looking around confused. |
| 06:10.28 | zerojay | It was awesome. |
| 06:12.18 | pupnik_ | penguinbait: that may be when it switches to protected mode - you may have to switch cpu from 'simple' to full |
| 06:12.27 | K`zan | Success! Thanks GeneralAntilles and zerojay ! |
| 06:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 06:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing, K`zan. |
| 06:19.54 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Sigh, where did I find the stuff to enter a static IP again? |
| 06:20.14 | K`zan | Control Panel->connectivity isn't it... |
| 06:21.42 | K`zan | Found it.. |
| 06:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | In the "Start" menu |
| 06:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | Connection Manager |
| 06:46.29 | K`zan | Now to find fbreader :0 |
| 06:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 06:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | maemo 4.x |
| 06:48.17 | pupnik | dubapgewap... |
| 06:48.19 | K`zan | Thankee Sir! |
| 06:55.19 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Is there a point to adding all those repositories? Would seem so at this point?!? |
| 06:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | You might as well. |
| 06:55.40 | K`zan | Ok, wilco, thanks! |
| 06:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | Or just exclude the ones with software you don't want. |
| 06:56.09 | K`zan | No idea at this point, better to have them and not need them ... :-) |
| 06:57.25 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@cs181192153.pp.htv.fi) |
| 06:58.48 | K`zan | Hummm, browser went toast. |
| 06:59.35 | K`zan | remind me to set a bookmark before going to play :-) |
| 07:04.49 | *** join/#maemo NetBlade (n=osku@xdsl-206-183.nblnetworks.fi) |
| 07:06.31 | K`zan | No xchat yet and no camera, but I suspect those won't be long in coming :). |
| 07:06.48 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Again, really appreciate all your help with this! |
| 07:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's really a selfish act. ;) |
| 07:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | More happy maemo users means a larger userbase means more developers means more applications for me. :P |
| 07:07.19 | K`zan | Understand, get 'em addicted and all sorts of good stuff can happen :) |
| 07:07.34 | K`zan | Well, this does solve one problem :-)! |
| 07:07.56 | pupnik | zerojay: how did sending 1.mp3 make it play on other computers? |
| 07:08.15 | K`zan | I don't have to thrash on which development system to install, safe to say it can now be 2008 :-). |
| 07:08.47 | K`zan | Lets see if FBreader can get my library right twice in 2008 :). |
| 07:08.53 | pupnik | i want to write a native robotron clone sometime |
| 07:09.16 | pupnik | but it's all so pointless without decent dpads |
| 07:09.50 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:09.58 | K`zan | I want glom for it now :). |
| 07:10.24 | pupnik | what is glom? |
| 07:10.52 | K`zan | match the tile kind of game, had it on my palms for ages now :). |
| 07:11.06 | K`zan | ukmp better than media player? |
| 07:11.12 | GeneralAntilles | Mahjong? |
| 07:11.32 | K`zan | More like gather all the same kind of tiles together for max points. |
| 07:11.40 | K`zan | together than you can... |
| 07:13.34 | zoran | K`zan, palm game? |
| 07:13.35 | K`zan | boingomobile something that is important? |
| 07:13.40 | K`zan | zoran: yes. |
| 07:13.54 | zoran | there is beta of some palm vm emulator |
| 07:14.00 | K`zan | Probably something similar out there someplace. Just an OLD habit :-) |
| 07:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need boingo |
| 07:14.44 | K`zan | Too much hassle to drag the laptop with me to see what is out there that is open wireless, nothing right around here, so I have no idea what I need... |
| 07:14.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's a pay wifi hotspot thing. |
| 07:14.51 | K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! |
| 07:15.05 | K`zan | Ah, we avoid those if possible :). |
| 07:15.35 | K`zan | Ok, enough packing the device for the night :), time to play some :-). |
| 07:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | If remember getting stuck in the Atlanta airport for 8 hours |
| 07:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | paid $6 for 24-hour wifi access |
| 07:15.59 | K`zan | Yeah, that airport sucks... |
| 07:16.05 | K`zan | Lived there for a long time. |
| 07:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | Bittorrent ran at, like, 1MB down and 1MB up |
| 07:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | it was ridiculous |
| 07:16.22 | K`zan | Funny story on the airport, if you are interested? |
| 07:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | Go. |
| 07:16.37 | K`zan | Yeah, anything to do with fartsfield is gonna be a fiasco... |
| 07:16.56 | K`zan | When they built the airport they were HOT for minority "art"... |
| 07:17.11 | K`zan | Some of the construction people got offended... |
| 07:17.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:17.36 | K`zan | They put up some construction trash on the wall and told the airport management that they did it, but not where.... |
| 07:17.55 | K`zan | Last I heard, they still haven't found it :-). |
| 07:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 07:18.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's beautiful. |
| 07:18.29 | K`zan | I particularly liked the $150K artist drop cloth on the wall of the federal building down there... |
| 07:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing what stupid people in high places will pay. |
| 07:18.53 | K`zan | Yep, IMNSHO if the gov has to support art, it isn't... |
| 07:19.10 | K`zan | Yep, PC/SC is a virtulent disease... |
| 07:19.28 | pupnik | govt spending our money is the disease imo |
| 07:19.38 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding. |
| 07:19.40 | K`zan | Yep, agree 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% :-) |
| 07:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | I've got 11 hours of video on my SD cards now |
| 07:20.22 | pupnik | i mean if a private company does it, i can choose not to use their product |
| 07:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that'll be enough to get me to California on Sunday. |
| 07:20.37 | K`zan | Yep, real art supports itself. |
| 07:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | (connecting through Atlanta :() |
| 07:20.44 | K`zan | My sympathy... |
| 07:20.58 | K`zan | That place is a shithole only second to scabattle... |
| 07:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | Worst part is |
| 07:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | I normally fly out of Tampa |
| 07:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Which is, like, the greatest airport on the planet |
| 07:21.29 | K`zan | Still, wow... |
| 07:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | and going from there to Atlanta is just unbearable. |
| 07:21.44 | K`zan | Atlanta has delusions of grandur... |
| 07:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Fly of of Tallahassee regional this weekend |
| 07:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | We'll see how it goes. |
| 07:23.44 | GeneralAntilles | Never been in so small an airport |
| 07:25.09 | K`zan | I used to fly for a living and it got real old after about 5 years. |
| 07:25.34 | K`zan | Come home on weekend (maybe) wash clothes, be at airport at 0500 monday morning... |
| 07:25.52 | K`zan | Was a lot of fun for a while though. |
| 07:26.02 | GeneralAntilles | Commercial? |
| 07:26.09 | K`zan | Unfortunaltely |
| 07:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 07:26.16 | GeneralAntilles | With what carrier? |
| 07:26.20 | K`zan | Riding the bus... |
| 07:26.25 | *** join/#maemo sx|lappy (n=sxpert@77.197.6.212) |
| 07:26.48 | K`zan | Ohm I was flying all over for a living, not a RL pilot, I only do that on PCs :) |
| 07:26.57 | K`zan | Oh, I was flying all over for a living, not a RL pilot, I only do that on PCs :) |
| 07:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | Right, right. >_> |
| 07:27.13 | K`zan | Next week I learn to type. |
| 07:27.30 | K`zan | I wouldn't even fly for my own travel anymore. |
| 07:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | I only fly about once every two years. |
| 07:27.50 | K`zan | Cool, blue light flashes when it goes into standby now :). |
| 07:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | You'll get tired of that very quickly |
| 07:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | especially at night. |
| 07:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | You install openssh yet? |
| 07:28.22 | K`zan | Somewhere around the 1980s, I finally figured out security was a joke and quit doing that to myself. |
| 07:28.48 | K`zan | Not yet, but probably will - seems a lot of work until I get a BT keyboard though. |
| 07:29.05 | GeneralAntilles | The idea is to ssh into the device from a real machine. |
| 07:29.07 | K`zan | I use that a lot. |
| 07:29.20 | K`zan | Ah, that makes more sense - server AND client... |
| 07:29.29 | K`zan | Installing now :-). |
| 07:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | There's a fun little trick in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 07:30.36 | K`zan | ?? |
| 07:30.50 | K`zan | Client installing now. |
| 07:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | soft poweroff |
| 07:31.25 | K`zan | Server... |
| 07:31.26 | _Monkey | server is temporarily unable to service my request. Please try again later. |
| 07:31.38 | K`zan | maemo.org? |
| 07:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | Did you enable the extras repo? |
| 07:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | It comes disabled. |
| 07:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | There's a little check box in its edit dialog. |
| 07:32.02 | K`zan | Dunno, lemme look |
| 07:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | There should be a meta package for both server and client. |
| 07:32.44 | K`zan | server seems hung... |
| 07:32.51 | K`zan | there it goes, done. |
| 07:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | Takes forever to generate keys. |
| 07:33.18 | K`zan | It was disabled. |
| 07:33.23 | K`zan | Fixed it, thanks! |
| 07:33.48 | K`zan | 234 people on this channel is impressive considering the time these have been out. |
| 07:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 07:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | Well |
| 07:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | If you consider the audience. |
| 07:34.17 | zoran | don't forget bouncers |
| 07:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | The 770 was specifically targeted at hardcore Linux users. |
| 07:34.36 | pupnik | bullseye imo |
| 07:34.51 | K`zan | I'm an installing fool! :-) |
| 07:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding. |
| 07:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even remember where I first saw the 770 |
| 07:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | but I preordered day 1 |
| 07:36.23 | K`zan | Hummm, openssh listed again now, I presume I don't want to do that... |
| 07:36.24 | pupnik | wow |
| 07:36.55 | K`zan | If it were not for the RS-MMC cards, I would have probably had a 770 rather than the 800. |
| 07:37.16 | *** part/#maemo penguinbait (n=kvirc@c-68-61-40-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 07:37.18 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 is SO much better than the 770. |
| 07:37.53 | K`zan | Yes, except for physical considerations, 770 seemed MUCH more robust physically. |
| 07:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | The case is a big plus |
| 07:38.44 | pupnik | i can understand them dropping the case for aesthetics, but it's so darn practical |
| 07:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | But overall build strength is about the same. |
| 07:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 is quite solid. |
| 07:39.03 | K`zan | argh, which repos has all that gcompris stuff in it? |
| 07:39.32 | K`zan | More than I expected, once I get a decent case for it, I'll probably feel a lot better. |
| 07:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | Extras |
| 07:40.44 | _Monkey | Extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras (distribution: "bora" for n800, "gregale" for n770) (components="free non-free") |
| 07:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | and you definitely want that. |
| 07:41.14 | K`zan | Games for kids? |
| 07:41.15 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 07:41.22 | K`zan | OK, if you say so :). |
| 07:41.32 | *** join/#maemo koen (n=koen@s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 07:42.08 | K`zan | At the rate I am going I am starting to wonder if that 128 meg is going to cut it for long. Would be nice to be able to use some of the SD cards for apps... |
| 07:42.38 | K`zan | kagu better than media player? |
| 07:43.07 | *** part/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 07:43.10 | pupnik | the popular players are kagu, ukmp and canola |
| 07:44.00 | K`zan | Are any of them significantly better than media player? |
| 07:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yes and no. |
| 07:44.25 | pupnik | duno i'm waiting for something lite like xmms/winamp |
| 07:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, internal space wont be an issue. |
| 07:44.26 | zoran | what space? |
| 07:44.27 | _Monkey | hmmm... space is relative |
| 07:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, I've never managed to file up the internal with apps |
| 07:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | and I install a lot of apps. |
| 07:44.50 | K`zan | only 128m for apps, right? |
| 07:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | Delete the manuals, though. |
| 07:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | Those take up a ton of space. |
| 07:45.08 | K`zan | Or move them to the SD cards where I am WALLOWING :-) |
| 07:45.10 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@cs181192153.pp.htv.fi) |
| 07:45.11 | zoran | or make links from internal memory to the card |
| 07:46.08 | K`zan | Ohh, yes! One can do that with this, yummie :)! |
| 07:47.24 | K`zan | Love that terminal :-)!! |
| 07:49.31 | K`zan | fbreader will not pick up my library on /media/mmc1/ebooks/ :-( |
| 07:50.19 | K`zan | Maybe indexing, would be nice to have a spinner to let one know it is doing something though. |
| 07:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 07:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader never picked up my library very well automatically |
| 07:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just add 'em by hand |
| 07:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | You'll want to change the attributes, anyway. |
| 07:51.53 | K`zan | Ah, yes, might be permissions problems... checking |
| 07:55.00 | K`zan | Hummm, what is the root password... |
| 07:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | rootme |
| 07:55.38 | _Monkey | hmmm... rootme is the default pw? |
| 07:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | change it asap |
| 07:55.40 | _Monkey | GeneralAntilles: that doesn't look right |
| 07:55.50 | *** join/#maemo _Monkey (n=_Monkey@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 07:56.17 | K`zan | Hummm, not letting me su |
| 07:57.13 | K`zan | How the hell do you change it if you can't su |
| 07:57.32 | K`zan | Not feeling so good about installing ssh at the moment :) |
| 07:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | sudo gainroot |
| 07:59.31 | K`zan | Thanks ! Done. |
| 08:00.25 | K`zan | Wonder if I need to set up a user for myself or just stay user:users |
| 08:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | Keep it the normal user |
| 08:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | anything else will break shit. |
| 08:04.00 | K`zan | OK, wilco. |
| 08:04.23 | K`zan | Root can't change uid:gid on the SD cards, WTF?!? |
| 08:05.00 | K`zan | chown mmc1 Operation not permitted |
| 08:05.16 | K`zan | Yep, I'm root. |
| 08:05.29 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe corrupted. |
| 08:06.11 | K`zan | Hummm, formatted them under 2007 and then USB mounted them to the desktop and loaded them up... |
| 08:06.23 | K`zan | 2007 format NG with 2008?!? |
| 08:06.34 | K`zan | ls works right... |
| 08:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Removable media is finicky |
| 08:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | Even if the transfer is "done" it's not actually done. |
| 08:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, though. |
| 08:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, you shouldn't need to mess with permissions on the removable stuff, anyway. |
| 08:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | Or, maybe, you accidentally turned on the read only tab |
| 08:07.38 | K`zan | ls -lR looks OK, but yes. I thought I did a "safely remove" though. |
| 08:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hard to say. |
| 08:09.02 | solmumaha | you would need to change mount options |
| 08:11.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:11.32 | K`zan | Nope, OK. |
| 08:11.56 | K`zan | Anyway, I'm beat, gonna go fall over. Thanks for all the help, MUCH appreciated! |
| 08:12.05 | K`zan | Night all, rest well! |
| 08:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | 'nigght |
| 08:12.27 | K`zan | Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-) |
| 08:19.47 | Jaffa | Gah, Garage is - once again - fscked: http://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1867 - just hangs. |
| 08:25.05 | kulve | Jaffa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 08:25.10 | kulve | "Maemo.org is too fragile." |
| 08:25.35 | kulve | I made generic bug about that. Some part is always broken and it starts to annoy me.. |
| 08:29.21 | rafl | hooray.. zsh for maemo 4.0 :-) |
| 08:32.20 | czr | mornink |
| 08:39.06 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:49.07 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 08:54.35 | *** join/#maemo doc|home (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 08:58.35 | *** join/#maemo koen (n=koen@s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 09:01.48 | *** join/#maemo red-zack (n=mk@p5B0457D2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:05.43 | *** join/#maemo Pio_ (n=sean@75-23-175-131.lightspeed.sagsca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:13.32 | *** join/#maemo VimSi (n=vims@dslb-084-061-002-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:17.58 | *** join/#maemo bilboed (n=bilboed@pdpc/supporter/active/bilboed) |
| 09:27.15 | *** join/#maemo jhassine_ (n=jhassine@cs27013248.pp.htv.fi) |
| 09:46.21 | *** join/#maemo oil (n=oil@ppp-124.120.2.22.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 09:49.03 | *** join/#maemo czheng1 (n=czheng1@foc3.kyla.fi) |
| 09:53.33 | czheng1 | game? |
| 09:53.34 | _Monkey | hmmm... game is being done in javascript, if I don't have a pixel buffer to prepare svg graphics at the beginning of a level instead of when it comes on screen, I'll have to substitute with prerendered png sprite sheets. |
| 10:00.12 | Jaffa | Anyone tried Frothing and compared it to osso-rss-reader (which is also based on Liferea): http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/a-port-of-liferea-for-mobile-linux-handheld-devices |
| 10:03.16 | *** join/#maemo cecil (n=cecil@dsl-64-30-204-164.static.linkline.com) |
| 10:10.19 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 10:13.44 | *** join/#maemo jonty_ (n=jonty@host-84-9-146-220.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 10:33.46 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 10:35.02 | *** part/#maemo zwnj (n=behnam@91.184.69.61) |
| 10:37.31 | *** join/#maemo monkeyiq (n=monkeyiq@124.148.76.19) |
| 10:42.12 | *** join/#maemo AD-N770 (n=jep@24.Red-80-26-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:47.03 | *** join/#maemo cofeineSunshine1 (n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt) |
| 11:23.24 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:24.39 | keesj | Hi |
| 11:24.40 | _Monkey | que tal, keesj |
| 11:27.01 | *** join/#maemo thomasvm (n=massis@d54C3397D.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:27.38 | *** join/#maemo massoud (n=massoud@86.69.158.104) |
| 11:36.53 | *** join/#maemo sciboy (n=sciboy@unaffiliated/sciboy) |
| 11:38.06 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 11:38.30 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:44.17 | *** join/#maemo lmoura (n=lmoura@189.70.15.182) |
| 11:50.14 | *** join/#maemo jhassine_ (n=jhassine@office1.brainalliance.com) |
| 11:54.09 | *** part/#maemo thomasvm (n=massis@d54C3397D.access.telenet.be) |
| 12:00.04 | *** join/#maemo dockane (n=dockane@f054177184.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:02.05 | *** join/#maemo chelli (n=chelli@p54B8540D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:03.01 | DRoBeR | Hello |
| 12:03.07 | DRoBeR | Hola, _Monkey . |
| 12:03.08 | _Monkey | hey, DRoBeR |
| 12:03.21 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@f054162244.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:03.41 | DRoBeR | Cómo va la cosa? :) |
| 12:03.59 | DRoBeR | Hallo, florian . |
| 12:04.15 | florian | hi all |
| 12:05.17 | DRoBeR | Is it frequently to loss the language translation in OS2007? Sometimes I got the problem that my N800 shows me just the "variable_name" instead of its translation to Spanish :) |
| 12:05.23 | *** join/#maemo dockane_ (n=dockane@f048043067.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:06.06 | *** join/#maemo murrayc_ (n=murrayc@u25-56.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 12:06.48 | florian | DRoBeR: I use German translation on one device, but I haven't seen this effect so far. |
| 12:07.01 | florian | But in the SDK that happened some times... |
| 12:07.18 | *** part/#maemo resiak (n=will@unaffiliated/resiak) |
| 12:10.24 | *** join/#maemo kabtoffe (n=kbergstr@hoas-fe2add00-192.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:10.37 | *** join/#maemo Juhaz (n=juhaz@MCXXVI.voas.saunalahti.fi) |
| 12:20.34 | *** join/#maemo yerga (n=yerga@87.223.214.89) |
| 12:21.16 | *** join/#maemo jhassine_ (n=jhassine@office1.brainalliance.com) |
| 12:28.45 | *** join/#maemo sx|lappy (n=sxpert@77.197.6.212) |
| 12:34.37 | *** join/#maemo sp3000 (n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:34.43 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-114-91-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:42.07 | *** join/#maemo alterego (n=alterego@88-111-112-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 12:44.25 | *** join/#maemo fr01 (n=fr@220-228.dsl8.newtelsolutions.net) |
| 12:45.00 | *** join/#maemo trenka (n=ykaliuta@a91-154-127-234.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:46.12 | *** join/#maemo bueroman (n=setanta@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:46.13 | *** join/#maemo konttori_ (n=konttori@a88-114-91-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:49.11 | milhouse | still no maemo.org??? |
| 12:49.18 | czr | hmm. has someone made a small panel applet to sync the time on an IT using ntpdate or similar? |
| 12:49.41 | czr | or statusbar applet would do as well. or at least something. |
| 12:50.09 | DRoBeR | Danke schön, florian . |
| 12:50.21 | DRoBeR | How do you correct it? |
| 12:50.55 | alterego | czr, would a daemon not do it? |
| 12:51.15 | czr | alterego, sentence does not compute. what do you mean? (and hello too :-) |
| 12:51.36 | alterego | Would a daemon started by a boot script not do the job for you? |
| 12:51.45 | alterego | Hello :) |
| 12:51.57 | kulve | daemon that checks if the network is available and too long has passed since the previous update, then run ntpdate. Or something. |
| 12:52.16 | alterego | I think ideally it would be configurable through the control panel too .. |
| 12:52.25 | kulve | alterego: usually the network is not yet during the bootup, I think |
| 12:52.45 | czr | alterego, well, something like that. but I'd rather just have it do the sync when necessary |
| 12:52.46 | alterego | kulve, it's a daemon, that doesn't matter. |
| 12:52.51 | czr | not causing network traffic by itself |
| 12:53.12 | czr | could also have a list of servers to use so that one could select one based on the location |
| 12:53.23 | czr | since public ntp servers are sometimes undesireable, and so on. |
| 12:53.26 | alterego | Well, if you're clever about it you can get it to only sync when asked to when connected through a phone. |
| 12:53.33 | alterego | Where as it'd have free roam on WiFi |
| 12:53.43 | czr | I don't want a free roam on wifi |
| 12:53.45 | kulve | milhouse: if you don't like the stability of the maemo.org, vote in bug #2308. |
| 12:53.45 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 12:54.16 | milhouse | thanks kulve |
| 12:54.52 | alterego | Right, that's lunch out-of-the-way. |
| 12:54.58 | alterego | Time to get done and dirty. |
| 12:55.21 | alterego | czr, if I manage to get ruby desktop plugins working I'll write one for you ;) |
| 12:55.59 | milhouse | when did maemo.org go down (roughly)? |
| 12:56.36 | czr | alterego, heh. ok |
| 12:57.26 | alterego | Maybe I'm compiling my loader wrong. But hildon desktop doesn't see my plugin loader :( |
| 12:57.36 | kulve | milhouse: hmm.. I was working for me a second ago, but now it's again gone.. |
| 12:57.53 | kulve | bugzilla seems to respond |
| 12:58.09 | kulve | "It was working.." |
| 12:59.26 | milhouse | looking back through the chats it seems to have disappeared about 9pm uk time last night |
| 12:59.36 | alterego | czr, did you read my post in response to that python extension problem? I didn't realise how tired I was O_O |
| 12:59.51 | milhouse | kulve - what ip do you have for maemo.org? my dns returns 62.61.85.38 which is unpingable |
| 13:00.07 | czr | alterego, not recently. when did you send it? :-) |
| 13:00.18 | alterego | That night you forwarded it to me. |
| 13:01.14 | kulve | milhouse: same here. The bugzilla has .75 and it doesn't respond to ping either, even though it responds to http |
| 13:02.31 | milhouse | yeah good point pings could be ignored |
| 13:02.50 | milhouse | but not getting any http response to maemo.org here |
| 13:02.57 | milhouse | bugzilla is fine |
| 13:02.59 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.29.147.70) |
| 13:05.50 | kaltsi | maemo.org was fine about an hour ago |
| 13:06.02 | milhouse | i missed it |
| 13:06.22 | alterego | It broke when I was using it in the bath. |
| 13:06.29 | alterego | Maybe I got my N800 wet!! |
| 13:06.48 | kaltsi | are you hosting maemo.org on it? |
| 13:07.03 | alterego | Not as far as I know |
| 13:07.30 | kaltsi | keep it away from the bath just to be sure, ok? |
| 13:07.34 | alterego | Okay |
| 13:07.56 | alterego | I was hoping the N810 would be available yesterday :( |
| 13:15.51 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@82.53.73.103) |
| 13:20.08 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:20.13 | alterego | That's not my problem |
| 13:20.22 | alterego | I still can't get my ruby desktop plugin code to work. |
| 13:20.35 | alterego | hildon-desktop doesn't seem to find my plugin loader :( |
| 13:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | Try harder/better, then. ;) |
| 13:21.00 | alterego | I'm sifting through the hildon-desktop plugin source as we speak O_O |
| 13:21.44 | alterego | I've just found the code that displays the "Unknown Plugin Loader type: %s" message. |
| 13:22.10 | alterego | If anyone happens to know the location of the code that actually _loads_ the plugin loaders .. |
| 13:23.22 | alterego | Nice, found it :) |
| 13:23.28 | czr | alterego, you should always look for the single source file that looks to be least related to the thing. |
| 13:23.33 | Jaffa | alterego: it'd put me in a good mood and so I'd finish off the next version of tablet-encode with shiny new features (such as video bitrate efficiency, audio track copying, multiple file support, ...) |
| 13:23.55 | milhouse | anyone got bootmenu installed on an device running os2008? |
| 13:24.24 | milhouse | i'm trying to narrow down why my device keeps losing it's buttons all the time... maybe it's bootmenu (which i have installed)? |
| 13:27.20 | sp3000 | maybe you got an apostrophe stuck under the keypad |
| 13:27.23 | *** join/#maemo alterego (n=alterego@88-111-112-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 13:27.49 | sp3000 | ahhahahaha*cough* |
| 13:28.00 | czr | :-) |
| 13:28.03 | alterego | :/ |
| 13:28.06 | czr | weekend irc is the bestest |
| 13:28.08 | alterego | That's not good. |
| 13:42.00 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.29.147.70) |
| 13:43.57 | *** join/#maemo bergie (n=bergie@cs181192153.pp.htv.fi) |
| 13:45.53 | *** join/#maemo patrik__ (n=patrik@80-219-80-135.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 13:50.30 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 13:50.35 | alterego | This code should work .. |
| 13:50.56 | czr | have you found anyone to blame yet? |
| 13:51.22 | alterego | Lucos Rocha for not properly documenting the system :P |
| 13:51.47 | alterego | Or Karoliina for not making him document it properly. |
| 13:52.18 | czr | but yeah, you can start with them :-) |
| 13:52.24 | alterego | I think I'll write a little program that attempts to load it and see what happens. |
| 13:54.33 | alterego | I could just rewrite the plugin loader factory ;) |
| 13:55.05 | konttori_ | What's up with maemo.org site? |
| 13:55.11 | czr | konttori_, it's broken |
| 13:55.15 | konttori_ | Is anybody working on it? |
| 13:55.21 | alterego | Probably not. |
| 13:55.26 | alterego | It's Saturday. |
| 13:55.28 | czr | someone else complained about it here just some time ago |
| 13:55.29 | konttori_ | Hey, this is sad. |
| 13:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | alterego dropped the server in the bath tube. |
| 13:55.40 | konttori_ | Nokia hosting people should be working 24/7 |
| 13:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | *-e |
| 13:55.42 | czr | konttori_, alterego is already crying |
| 13:55.48 | czr | konttori_, it's not hosted by nokia |
| 13:56.04 | konttori_ | yeah, so even the more reason that they shoulod be working on it 24/7 |
| 13:56.27 | czr | heh |
| 13:56.36 | czr | maybe N gets what it pays for. |
| 13:57.02 | kulve | konttori_: #2308, please vote, if you don't like the current situation.. |
| 13:57.02 | konttori_ | I mean, if they are a hosting company, they usually actually have contracts that define how long the downtime can be at worst |
| 13:57.24 | konttori_ | link? |
| 13:57.30 | kulve | bug #2308 |
| 13:57.30 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 13:57.31 | alterego | Is the server down or just http? |
| 13:57.44 | czr | konttori_, why do you assume it's a hosting company? |
| 13:58.18 | konttori_ | Well, as any sane company outsources hosting to a company who has a hosting center |
| 13:58.28 | kulve | whois 62.61.85.75 |
| 13:58.32 | kulve | descr: CiderCone Oy |
| 13:58.46 | czr | konttori_, sane? :-) |
| 13:58.47 | czr | indeed |
| 13:59.09 | konttori_ | hosting centers can then have even higher security and have the means to track and update all of the servers 24/7. Because they have so many servers there, then it's ok to keep people htere 24/7 |
| 13:59.12 | czr | hey, it's free software, hosting services for it is bound to be free as well ;-) |
| 13:59.29 | konttori_ | yeah. let's torrent the server ;) |
| 13:59.49 | *** join/#maemo henno (i=henno@gateway/tor/x-bf08c27ea5834792) |
| 14:00.10 | czr | konttori_, I doubt anyone really questions your points. and yes, 24/7 support does exist. but you have to pay money to get service :-) |
| 14:01.24 | konttori_ | Well, the last company that I worked in hosted their servers in a bank hosting facility and it was still only hundreds of euros a month per server. |
| 14:01.45 | czr | konttori_, and? :-) |
| 14:01.54 | czr | alterego, because it's more clear. |
| 14:02.00 | czr | alterego, one doesn't have to think what module is |
| 14:02.09 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 14:02.11 | czr | with NULL it's evident that it is a pointer. |
| 14:02.35 | alterego | So you think I should adopt that style? |
| 14:02.48 | czr | alterego, you don't work for me, I don't read your code. I don't know :-) |
| 14:02.57 | czr | just gave you rationale why someone might use that style :-) |
| 14:03.10 | alterego | Hmm, if I did work for you what would you say? |
| 14:03.17 | czr | yes, you should adopt it. |
| 14:03.19 | alterego | "You're fired!" ^_^ |
| 14:03.28 | alterego | Okay |
| 14:03.28 | czr | and you should stop bugging me during weekends with work-related stuff! |
| 14:03.30 | czr | :-) |
| 14:03.36 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:04.28 | czr | that would be something indeed. |
| 14:04.39 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:04.56 | czr | and surely it would be longest range too |
| 14:06.35 | cofeinesunshine | does http://www.maemo.org/ woks? |
| 14:06.41 | cofeinesunshine | i get an error;/ |
| 14:06.43 | Paavo_ | the protocol might have problems with latency though, communicating to mars |
| 14:06.45 | cofeinesunshine | Unable to forward this request at this time. |
| 14:07.06 | kulve | bug #2308 |
| 14:07.07 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 14:07.44 | czr | cofeinesunshine, remember to vote the bug to be fixed :-) |
| 14:09.09 | cofeinesunshine | deal!;] |
| 14:11.22 | kulve | that bug is meant to tell the nokia that it has always been too often broken. Not to fix some specific issue relating to this current issue |
| 14:11.38 | kulve | that's why it probably needs quite a lot of votes to be noticed |
| 14:12.52 | alterego | Does it have many votes? |
| 14:13.05 | GeneralAntilles | Who wants to go door-to-door with me? :P |
| 14:13.33 | alterego | You can post on ITT, maemo-users maemo-developers |
| 14:13.41 | alterego | blog on planet :) |
| 14:13.46 | alterego | That'll get people voting :) |
| 14:14.01 | *** join/#maemo dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:14.04 | kaltsi | no one can read the planet while the site is down.. :) |
| 14:14.26 | alterego | Obviously, but the site doesn't have to be down to vote for the site being a fragile POS :) |
| 14:14.40 | alterego | The bug says weekly. Shall I file another bug for the daily breakages? |
| 14:14.42 | kaltsi | 'worksforme' |
| 14:15.13 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 14:16.02 | *** join/#maemo tko (n=tko@jumbo180.adsl.netsonic.fi) |
| 14:16.04 | *** join/#maemo etrunko (n=edulima@200.184.118.132) |
| 14:16.32 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@f054162244.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 14:19.29 | *** join/#maemo Tahitibob (n=david@guy78-4-82-243-43-241.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:21.32 | alterego | I find gpointer quite confusing .. |
| 14:21.41 | czr | alterego, why? |
| 14:21.45 | alterego | I don't understand why they don't just say (void *) |
| 14:21.51 | alterego | less characters .. |
| 14:21.54 | czr | for completeness |
| 14:22.07 | alterego | Meh |
| 14:22.29 | czr | I don't think Meh is compatible with (void *) |
| 14:22.40 | czr | maybe gconstchar ;-) |
| 14:22.42 | alterego | it is if I define it as void* :P |
| 14:23.27 | Jaffa | Not having access to my garage-based website is really irritating when I'm trying to finish off a mediautils release. |
| 14:23.39 | alterego | :/ |
| 14:23.53 | czr | not having access to the howtos is a problem for me when doing the material update. bleh |
| 14:24.04 | kaltsi | alterego is the gpointer a typedef for (void *) ? |
| 14:24.05 | czr | is there a mirror of the howtos (4.0) somewhere? |
| 14:24.12 | derf | But what if it's supposed to be be "void __far *"? You never know when you might want to do that 16-bit Win3.11 port. |
| 14:24.18 | alterego | Luckily I checked out the source for the modules I'm working with in the maemo svn :) |
| 14:24.23 | alterego | kaltsi, yes. |
| 14:24.30 | czr | derf, you'd know when you'd want to, I guarantee that ;-) |
| 14:24.46 | derf | Yes, I do. |
| 14:25.09 | czr | btw, anyone aware of a 16-bit free c compiler? |
| 14:25.17 | czr | one that works and supports more or less modern C? |
| 14:25.24 | kaltsi | it makes sense to typedef all the library's types so that if one day for whatever reasons (portability for example) you need to redefine the type then all the code using would just have to be recompiled and not recoded.. |
| 14:25.26 | czr | (for x86) |
| 14:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | google cache, czr? |
| 14:25.50 | czr | GeneralAntilles, ah, good hint. will try |
| 14:26.05 | alterego | Redefining void* .. Interesting. |
| 14:26.15 | kaltsi | no, redefining gpointer |
| 14:26.25 | alterego | Example? |
| 14:26.32 | alterego | typedef char* gpointer? |
| 14:26.38 | kaltsi | ye :) |
| 14:26.39 | alterego | I don't see that happening somehow. |
| 14:26.57 | czr | alterego, more likely than your Meh though :-) |
| 14:27.07 | alterego | Yes, probably. |
| 14:27.16 | alterego | We'll see what glib3 looks like ;) |
| 14:27.27 | kaltsi | preparing for the unknown .. who knows |
| 14:27.34 | Jaffa | czr: I'd start looking at lcc or tcc as a starting point. |
| 14:27.34 | czr | argh. google cache doesn't find the file. not even sure it exists though (3.x does) |
| 14:27.41 | czr | Jaffa, tcc is 32-bit |
| 14:28.18 | czr | lcc also seems to be 32-bit only |
| 14:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe coral cache, too, czr. |
| 14:28.35 | Jaffa | czr: doh |
| 14:28.53 | alterego | On a related note. I'm happy to use gpointer .. But I've seen a lot of hildon code use (void*) casts etc instead of gpointer .. |
| 14:29.05 | derf | You can still download Turbo C++ 1.01. |
| 14:29.12 | czr | there was something that bruce perens wrote ages ago, but it's kind of klunky. |
| 14:29.17 | czr | don't recall the name. |
| 14:29.25 | czr | derf, heh. but it's not free :-) |
| 14:29.31 | alterego | I'm staring at a line now that really should be (gpointer) and not (void*) as the method it's calling defines the parameter as a gpointer .. |
| 14:29.34 | derf | czr: It's free as in beer. |
| 14:29.43 | alterego | So portability out-the-window :P |
| 14:29.43 | czr | derf, which isn't free enough for me. |
| 14:29.52 | derf | Well, write your own, then. |
| 14:30.01 | kaltsi | alterego: that's a bug then if one wants to be anal |
| 14:30.10 | czr | I'm not complaining damn it. just wanted some hints whether anyone knew of one. |
| 14:30.35 | derf | I don't even think there was one in the 90's when people still used DOS. |
| 14:31.49 | derf | DJGPP was the first free compiler I remember hearing about for DOS, and it was for 32-bit protected mode. |
| 14:32.09 | czr | well, the compiler doesn't have to be for dos really. 16-bit x86. |
| 14:32.22 | czr | (for doing stuff that runs on top of the legacy bios cruft) |
| 14:32.26 | derf | There aren't that many 16-bit DOS operating systems. |
| 14:32.34 | derf | Err, 16-bit x86 OSes. |
| 14:32.41 | czr | bios. |
| 14:32.58 | czr | hmm. coral pulls nothing with maemo.org |
| 14:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like you need to get yourself a time machine. |
| 14:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | Could you pull a copy of OS2009 while you're out? |
| 14:34.41 | czr | it was using windows. you really want it? |
| 14:35.24 | czr | hmm. what is the correct form of "be" when referring to past that happens in the future? (as in the time-machine problem) |
| 14:36.04 | kaltsi | 'bwas' |
| 14:36.37 | alterego | will be? |
| 14:36.48 | alterego | will have been .. |
| 14:36.51 | czr | alterego, no, that normal future |
| 14:37.22 | czr | hmm. bwas sounds klunky. |
| 14:37.35 | derf | Consult your Douglas Adams. |
| 14:37.42 | alterego | :) |
| 14:37.55 | czr | ah, good hint. |
| 14:38.57 | micky_ | Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so |
| 14:39.00 | micky_ | :P |
| 14:39.54 | czr | time might be, deadlines are not :-) |
| 14:41.16 | czr | bleh. I found the doc in google cache. but it doesn't want to open it at all. |
| 14:42.08 | czr | ah. firefox to the rescue. |
| 14:42.14 | micky_ | deadlines suck |
| 14:43.39 | kaltsi | the newest maemo.org thingies in webarchive are from august 07 so that's no good either |
| 14:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got Quim's homephone? :P |
| 14:45.56 | czr | hmm. is the symlink necessary with 4.0 for the others-menu? |
| 14:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | "HAI QUIM, ur websitez down!" |
| 14:46.08 | czr | (via the debian package package.links file) |
| 14:46.19 | czr | s/others/extras/ |
| 14:46.23 | *** join/#maemo jhassine__ (n=jhassine@office1.brainalliance.com) |
| 14:48.13 | czr | hmm. actually I think I've already asked this question before |
| 14:48.23 | czr | and the consensus was that "no" and "howtos suck" |
| 14:50.04 | Jaffa | Any 770-encode users who want to test the latest version with muchos new features: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/#encode (since garage is down) |
| 14:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | --list is nice |
| 14:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | Although I already wrote up a bash script to deal with that. :) |
| 14:54.02 | Jaffa | I think I prefer the cp style "file1 file2 fil3 dir" semantics (inspired by --list ;-)) |
| 14:56.29 | Jaffa | The bitrate limiting is cool so you don't waste bytes transcoding artifacts from existing files. |
| 14:58.18 | *** join/#maemo Atarii (n=Atarii@unaffiliated/atarii) |
| 15:02.28 | *** join/#maemo p| (n=pi@62.13.168.67) |
| 15:03.23 | p| | re |
| 15:08.17 | fysa | ugh. maybe OS2007 was like this too, but thumb scrolling the web browser on a huge page is painfully slow -- not just because of the time it would take without kinetic, but there is a delay between when your thumb hits the screen and when scrolling is 'activated' that is the same amount of time it takes for your thumb to go from the bottom to top of the screen. effectively, your thumb feels like it's running on a treadmill. |
| 15:08.31 | *** join/#maemo kenne (n=kenneth@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:10.42 | _Monkey | Bug 2308 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308 |
| 15:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, tablet-encode is dying with "Failed to get movie info." for me now. :( |
| 15:13.32 | konttori_ | czr: ahh.. my point was back in an hour ago that if Nokia doesn't use proper professional hosting service now, Nokia should consider stating to use such for maemo.org. |
| 15:13.48 | czr | konttori_, I agree with you 100%. |
| 15:14.18 | *** join/#maemo RushPL_ (n=rush@chello089078147065.chello.pl) |
| 15:14.33 | czr | too bad I don't work for nokia nor have a magical button that says "all problems go away" :-) |
| 15:15.47 | kaltsi | I have that button, but it's out of batteries |
| 15:16.17 | konttori_ | I hope Quim will be able to address the issue in the future. |
| 15:18.24 | konttori_ | fysa: at least on opera you were able to configure the dpad to go page up / page down on one click. |
| 15:18.41 | konttori_ | in os2008 you cannot make such a binding |
| 15:18.53 | konttori_ | otoh: n810 has the space key which works as page down. |
| 15:19.04 | GeneralAntilles | Which is stupid. |
| 15:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's such a braindead feature to add. |
| 15:20.04 | konttori_ | yeah. I think we should press for such a feature. |
| 15:20.04 | czr | spacebar is not stupid! it's the only place where I can get beer while travelling between planets.. |
| 15:20.21 | konttori_ | ;) |
| 15:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | I seem to recall the bug being shot down rather harshly. |
| 15:20.37 | GeneralAntilles | Something about it not being MicroB responsibility. |
| 15:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall exactly. |
| 15:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Only that I really didn't buy it when I read it. |
| 15:20.57 | konttori_ | Hmm... maybe we should discuss the issue with specifications instead. |
| 15:21.09 | konttori_ | as in the specifications team |
| 15:21.22 | konttori_ | do we have open bugzilla for specifications? |
| 15:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | I say we all fly out to Nokia HQ and start bashing heads. |
| 15:23.12 | czr | GeneralAntilles, is flying really necessary? |
| 15:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | For me, yes. |
| 15:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you expect me to swim. ;) |
| 15:23.29 | czr | ah. so optional for others :-) |
| 15:23.38 | czr | you can always walk on the sea floor :-) |
| 15:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | *we all plane-it, train-it, or automobile-it to Nokia HQ |
| 15:24.30 | czr | heh. it's a good movie |
| 15:24.56 | czr | "where's your hand?" "between pillows" "those are not pillows" (or something to that effect, can't really recall) |
| 15:25.04 | alterego | Well, my test loader can't even open my module. |
| 15:25.11 | p| | wow: http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/index.html |
| 15:25.13 | alterego | So I think I'm compiling it wrong :( |
| 15:26.07 | konttori_ | I wasn't able to find the dpad reconfiguration bug. GeneralAntilles , do you happen to remember the id? |
| 15:26.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | 1000-1800? |
| 15:26.36 | _Monkey | -800 |
| 15:26.39 | czr | hah |
| 15:26.43 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, useless bot! |
| 15:26.47 | *** join/#maemo RushPL_ (n=rush@chello089078147065.chello.pl) |
| 15:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | timeless commented on it |
| 15:26.55 | czr | 1000/0? |
| 15:27.00 | czr | aww |
| 15:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | Damnit |
| 15:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | If only it had done him in. |
| 15:27.22 | czr | maybe it's still busy calculatnig |
| 15:28.30 | alterego | 100/2 |
| 15:28.34 | alterego | 100/2? |
| 15:28.35 | _Monkey | 50 |
| 15:28.39 | *** join/#maemo b0unc3 (n=b0unc3@217.202.19.196) |
| 15:28.43 | alterego | Well, it does do division .. |
| 15:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1811 |
| 15:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | Fail |
| 15:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | off by 11. :( |
| 15:35.01 | alterego | Could be worse. |
| 15:35.06 | alterego | You could be off by 12 |
| 15:35.10 | alterego | or 13 |
| 15:36.14 | konttori_ | Thanks generalantilles |
| 15:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 15:36.28 | konttori_ | I just tried to vote for the bug, but vote count didn't go up. |
| 15:36.34 | p| | maemo.org RIP :-\ |
| 15:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | A moment of silence, please. |
| 15:36.58 | p| | :) |
| 15:36.58 | *** join/#maemo penguinbait (n=kvirc@c-68-61-40-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 15:36.59 | konttori_ | ahh.. my prob |
| 15:37.33 | kaltsi | when voting do I need to put down any text? :) |
| 15:38.03 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (i=ehs1@kde/hein) |
| 15:39.11 | czr | hmm. is autotools-dev really needed as a build-depends? |
| 15:39.21 | konttori_ | you don't need to put any text |
| 15:39.41 | konttori_ | You just need to click on the vote and then on the next screen add checkbox for the bug you want to vote. |
| 15:39.56 | kaltsi | ok, I'll vote for that bug then |
| 15:40.38 | alterego | czr, it is in the debian world for some reason. I would have thought "build-essentials" was a givin in package building ^_^ |
| 15:40.57 | czr | well, I got debhelper (>= 5.0), autotools-dev |
| 15:41.05 | czr | and wondering about the autotools-dev. seems slightly illogical |
| 15:41.15 | czr | yes, the software uses autotools. but autotools-dev? :-) |
| 15:44.25 | alterego | ((gpointer*)&say_hello) - That looks odd .. |
| 15:45.16 | czr | why gpointer*? |
| 15:45.19 | czr | gpointer != void. |
| 15:45.42 | czr | also, if say_hello is a function, then & is not required/wanted really. |
| 15:45.57 | alterego | Well, that lines says cast a pointer to a function pointer to a pointer to a void pointer :/ |
| 15:45.59 | *** join/#maemo kenne (n=kenneth@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:46.17 | alterego | It's in a glib example on the gnome website. |
| 15:46.23 | czr | ew |
| 15:46.30 | czr | but why would you want one? |
| 15:46.36 | alterego | I don't know. |
| 15:46.41 | czr | one'd think (gpointer)say_hello is sufficient |
| 15:46.59 | czr | if a (void*) is the end-result that is expected, or gpointer for that matter. |
| 15:47.03 | alterego | Which is what I'm using in _my_ code .. |
| 15:47.05 | alterego | And it works .. |
| 15:48.40 | alterego | I think the example is broken .. It's not even a complete example so I don't actually know what it's doing :/ |
| 15:48.54 | czr | yup. most example code unfortunately is like that |
| 15:49.23 | *** join/#maemo b0unc3_ (n=b0unc3@217.202.16.156) |
| 15:50.45 | alterego | Yeah, examples should be _working_ examples. Not a few lines of code that don't work. (Which means they're probably not even tested to work) |
| 15:50.48 | czr | bleh. |
| 15:50.51 | czr | "dh_shlibdeps: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated." |
| 15:50.57 | czr | what gives? |
| 15:51.01 | alterego | 4 is fine. |
| 15:51.11 | czr | no I mean what's wrong |
| 15:51.23 | czr | I bootstrapped the process with dh_make |
| 15:51.23 | kaltsi | do you have a debian/compat file? |
| 15:51.28 | czr | not anymore :-) |
| 15:51.34 | czr | I removed all the extra cruft. |
| 15:51.42 | alterego | compat isn't cruft ;) |
| 15:51.44 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@87.10.33.29) |
| 15:51.45 | alterego | It's required .. |
| 15:51.51 | kaltsi | try adding it with '4' in it.. echo 4 > debian/compat |
| 15:51.51 | czr | evidently not. it wasn't required in 3.2 |
| 15:52.02 | alterego | No one uses 3.2 anymore :P |
| 15:52.04 | kaltsi | it's not exactly required but it's good to be there |
| 15:52.14 | czr | well. no one told me :-) |
| 15:52.23 | kaltsi | without it the packaging system somehow chooses a compat level |
| 15:52.25 | czr | and this material has gone through "review" a zillion of times. |
| 15:54.38 | alterego | Grrr .. |
| 15:54.49 | alterego | I must be compiling my loader wrong. |
| 15:54.59 | alterego | But I don't know how I should be compiling it because no one tells me! |
| 15:55.00 | kaltsi | hmm I would have thought the debian policy would say something about that compat |
| 15:55.49 | czr | debian policy says a lot of things |
| 15:55.58 | czr | a lot of which have zero effect in maemo |
| 15:58.06 | kaltsi | I guess it's not really required then.. cool |
| 15:58.21 | czr | it is in 4.0 at least |
| 15:58.34 | czr | or rather, I got a lot of whining from all the dh-helper tools if it was missing in 4.0 |
| 15:58.41 | czr | in 3.2 it was ok to just drop it |
| 15:58.50 | alterego | I should just turn my phone off on Satudays. |
| 15:59.00 | kaltsi | that's because the debhelper has been updated between those sdk's |
| 15:59.27 | czr | kaltsi, well, yes, but I didn't expect it to start whining :-) |
| 15:59.50 | *** join/#maemo zwnj (n=behnam@91.184.69.61) |
| 15:59.58 | kaltsi | hehe :) |
| 16:00.09 | kaltsi | the whining may be just that.. you could ignore it too |
| 16:00.31 | kaltsi | or you are using some obsolete way of doing things that will result in whining |
| 16:00.54 | czr | I'm using dh_make. if it generated whineable template rules, I'm not to blame :-) |
| 16:01.13 | shackan | gaaaaaaaaaaaaah, maemo down again |
| 16:01.25 | czr | and can't have my step-by-step intstructions start whining. |
| 16:01.33 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: can you try `mplayer -identify file.avi' for me? |
| 16:01.56 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It's possible my fallback/enhanced identification code isn't as robust as I'd like. |
| 16:02.05 | kaltsi | czr read man debhelper for more info about the debian/compat |
| 16:02.25 | czr | kaltsi, [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/appdev/z/packaging] > man debhelper |
| 16:02.25 | czr | bash: man: command not found |
| 16:02.29 | czr | ;-) |
| 16:02.30 | konttori_ | hey, when will mplayer be added to chinook? |
| 16:02.35 | kaltsi | outside of scratchbox.. |
| 16:02.44 | czr | kaltsi, I haven't installed dh_make outside sbox |
| 16:02.46 | czr | :-) |
| 16:02.49 | konttori_ | is bartoush handling that or ssvb? |
| 16:02.50 | kaltsi | well do it! :) |
| 16:02.55 | czr | kaltsi, no! :-) |
| 16:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d2466895f Jaffa |
| 16:03.00 | czr | besides, the issue is fixed now |
| 16:03.07 | czr | but I found yet another bug in 4.0 |
| 16:03.20 | czr | "install from file" doesn't work in the application manager in 4.0 sdk. |
| 16:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer flashes up when tablet-encode tries to do its thing, then closes and I get the error. |
| 16:03.29 | czr | nothing happens. |
| 16:03.50 | kaltsi | hmm is dh_make part of the sdk? debhelper didn't install that on my ubuntu |
| 16:03.58 | czr | kaltsi, it is. |
| 16:04.13 | czr | I think it's a separate program to debhelper |
| 16:04.19 | czr | rather package. |
| 16:04.28 | *** join/#maemo jeff1f (i=HydraIRC@adsl-76-212-95-186.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:04.49 | czr | hmm. can anyone verify? application manager on 4.0 sdk doesn't support "install from file"? |
| 16:05.26 | czr | which is pretty f*cked. well, less screenshots then. |
| 16:06.11 | kaltsi | I can try to verify.. holdon |
| 16:06.16 | czr | thanks |
| 16:07.02 | czr | it opens the fm dialog to select the deb, then I press select. then nothing happens (fm dialog closes of course, but nothing after that). |
| 16:08.53 | kaltsi | hmm now I need a .deb to test this |
| 16:09.00 | czr | yup |
| 16:09.12 | czr | I'm trying to figure out how to coerse apt-get to download hello-world-app |
| 16:09.18 | czr | (it's already installed on the sdk) |
| 16:09.45 | kaltsi | where do I need to copy the deb in order for the file selector to access it? |
| 16:09.53 | czr | ~/MyDocs |
| 16:10.13 | alterego | czr, source or binary? :) |
| 16:10.28 | czr | alterego, binary, x86 |
| 16:10.33 | alterego | Hmm. |
| 16:11.16 | kaltsi | czr you're right.. nothing happened |
| 16:11.20 | *** join/#maemo ol_schoola_ (n=meatwad@c-67-162-50-202.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 16:11.55 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/ |
| 16:12.01 | czr | there's the hello-world-app as well now |
| 16:12.10 | czr | kaltsi, yup |
| 16:12.11 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 16:12.22 | czr | thanks for the verification |
| 16:12.32 | czr | I'll try couple of other things and then file a bug report |
| 16:14.21 | kaltsi | czr what was that about coercing download of hello-world-app? |
| 16:14.29 | alterego | czr, apt-get --reinstall -d hello-world-app |
| 16:14.40 | alterego | czr, apt-get --reinstall -d install hello-world-app |
| 16:14.46 | alterego | ;) |
| 16:14.47 | kaltsi | hello-world-app is already installed so it probably.. |
| 16:15.09 | kaltsi | which you already said.. where's me coat? |
| 16:16.02 | alterego | czr, and the file will be in /var/cache/apt/archives obviously :) |
| 16:17.08 | czr | yes |
| 16:17.36 | czr | so you'll have to remove it, then install it back (along with the two other packages), which is PITA |
| 16:17.44 | alterego | No |
| 16:17.50 | alterego | Use that command I just gave you. |
| 16:18.07 | alterego | It will force the downloading and of that specific package even if it's already installed. |
| 16:18.11 | alterego | Exactly what you asked for :P |
| 16:18.12 | czr | alterego, yes, but in order to install the deb, it musn't be installed. in order to remove it, you'll lose two other packages as well |
| 16:18.20 | czr | yes, I'm thinking a step ahead you see |
| 16:18.27 | alterego | Oh .. The _next_ step :P |
| 16:18.30 | czr | yes |
| 16:19.33 | alterego | I give up. |
| 16:19.40 | czr | no. not yet :-) |
| 16:19.44 | czr | ah, your problem :-) |
| 16:19.55 | czr | can't you just shove it out of the window? |
| 16:20.04 | alterego | Oh .. |
| 16:20.15 | czr | heh |
| 16:20.15 | alterego | Just as I was connecting I found a promising result in google ^_^ |
| 16:20.25 | czr | removing the -dev package caused two TNs to start in the AF |
| 16:20.27 | czr | "funny" |
| 16:21.06 | czr | argh |
| 16:21.09 | czr | now I have two TNs |
| 16:21.13 | czr | even after AF restart |
| 16:21.19 | czr | WTFWKFJEKJGEG.d |
| 16:21.38 | czr | I wonder who I could blame for this |
| 16:22.03 | alterego | I've had that before. |
| 16:22.09 | alterego | You'll have to do a killall. |
| 16:22.09 | czr | how did you fix it? |
| 16:22.24 | czr | nope |
| 16:22.37 | alterego | I suspect it's because once the second TN gets started, when you restart/stop it doesn't kill that process because it doesn't know about it .. |
| 16:22.40 | czr | I think the maemo-sdk-dev reinstall is broken |
| 16:22.49 | czr | no. I did killall. doesn't help |
| 16:22.54 | alterego | Oh |
| 16:22.59 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 16:23.08 | czr | well. not really. but PITA nevertheless |
| 16:23.09 | alterego | killall 15 ? |
| 16:23.14 | czr | now I can't make screenshots anymore |
| 16:23.27 | *** join/#maemo patrik__ (n=patrik@80-219-80-135.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 16:23.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:23.35 | truls | reboot |
| 16:23.43 | alterego | I use the sb-menu to do my killall anyway. |
| 16:23.53 | czr | alterego, sb-conf killall |
| 16:23.56 | czr | faster :-) |
| 16:24.01 | alterego | Though .. sb-conf killall is availabel. |
| 16:24.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 16:24.27 | czr | truls, what exactly would reboot fix if I have no processes running under sbox? |
| 16:25.00 | alterego | Maybe TN has some strange persist like we were looking at the other day ;) |
| 16:25.17 | czr | I think it's somehow registered twice now since the sdk has been installed "twice" |
| 16:25.27 | alterego | Possibly. |
| 16:25.29 | czr | somewhere. |
| 16:25.33 | alterego | Well .. |
| 16:25.43 | alterego | That would mean there are two service files |
| 16:25.53 | czr | hmm |
| 16:25.54 | alterego | Or some other configuration/definition. |
| 16:25.56 | czr | let me post a screenshot |
| 16:26.01 | czr | it's not d-bus I'm sure |
| 16:26.05 | truls | czr: mounts |
| 16:26.06 | czr | it's the main menu thingy |
| 16:26.14 | kaltsi | czr I got minorly interested about this dh_make + whining thingy.. how can I reproduce the whine? |
| 16:26.55 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: fixed version now uploaded. Sorry about that. |
| 16:26.56 | czr | kaltsi, run dh_make on a project, then remove all other files except 'copyright', 'control', 'rules' and 'changelog' (under debian) |
| 16:27.03 | czr | then run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:27.20 | kaltsi | yep yep, I just thought which project to try it with |
| 16:27.23 | czr | when it will run rules and all the debhelper commands from there, each of them will complain |
| 16:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, no worries. You've already saved me dozens of hours with the package. :) |
| 16:27.41 | kaltsi | the dh_make is supposed to be used on a non-debian thingy to debianize it |
| 16:27.56 | *** join/#maemo MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:28.10 | czr | so? |
| 16:28.17 | alterego | Yes my .so is broken. |
| 16:28.20 | czr | if you only have an autotoolized project to start with |
| 16:28.31 | *** join/#maemo eton (n=eton@58.64.125.151) |
| 16:28.45 | kaltsi | well yep .. I thought maybe you had one stashed in a corner somewhere |
| 16:28.54 | czr | kaltsi, sure, give me a sec |
| 16:29.02 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-D@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 16:29.06 | [mbm] | anyone ever see an n800 refuse to go into reflash mode? |
| 16:29.26 | alterego | [mbm], have you installed OS2008? |
| 16:29.30 | kaltsi | mbm how? |
| 16:29.38 | lopz | hola |
| 16:29.39 | [mbm] | alterego: *grin* tried to |
| 16:29.45 | czr | kaltsi, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/hhwx-0.1.tar.gz |
| 16:30.00 | alterego | [mbm], you mean you're trying to? |
| 16:30.09 | Jaffa | Gah. Now planet's dead again. |
| 16:30.12 | kaltsi | czr thanks |
| 16:30.21 | [mbm] | when I first insert the battery I can get it to turn on, but it instantly turns off without displaying the usb icon |
| 16:31.31 | *** join/#maemo svu (n=svu@089-101-232199.ntlworld.ie) |
| 16:31.58 | czr | hmm. seems that installing hello-world-app doesn't work |
| 16:32.11 | czr | or rather, it installs, but is not displayed in TN |
| 16:32.20 | czr | neither is it loaded to statusbar nor anywhere else |
| 16:34.38 | czr | interesting. /usr/sbin/dpkg-proconfigure: no such file or directory |
| 16:34.45 | czr | preconfigure even |
| 16:34.57 | jumpula | dpkg-preconfigure is not required by debian policy |
| 16:34.58 | kaltsi | czr that's not a problem.. it's not required |
| 16:35.04 | jumpula | you can ignore the warnings |
| 16:35.05 | czr | ah. ok |
| 16:35.09 | kaltsi | haa Mr. Jumpula |
| 16:35.12 | [mbm] | any instructions on a cold flash? |
| 16:35.12 | czr | what about packages failing authentication? :-) |
| 16:35.25 | czr | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 16:35.25 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.32 | jumpula | kaltsi: shouldn't you have a maemo free day? :) |
| 16:35.33 | *** join/#maemo TPC (n=andreas@pdpc/supporter/student/TPC) |
| 16:35.43 | kaltsi | well.. yes :) |
| 16:36.31 | jumpula | :) |
| 16:36.31 | kaltsi | jumpula, you should make a WoW client for n810 |
| 16:36.41 | jumpula | yeah, easy porting |
| 16:36.55 | jumpula | i just got really annoyed at blizzard |
| 16:37.23 | kaltsi | wot happen? |
| 16:37.25 | czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/bugargh.png |
| 16:37.33 | czr | this is what I see. the main menu is twice on the left |
| 16:37.36 | czr | both work btw :-) |
| 16:37.38 | jumpula | the netword update thingy gives server error 500, wine had some problems with the bc updater |
| 16:37.45 | czr | the hello world applet doesn't work though |
| 16:38.05 | jumpula | and now i'm running windows. |
| 16:38.12 | kaltsi | jumpula 8-O |
| 16:38.30 | jumpula | it has been ages, but managed to boot from an ancient partition |
| 16:39.01 | czr | anyone want to verify this bug? it will leave the sdk unusable though :-) |
| 16:39.05 | jumpula | however, the installer seems to be dead here too |
| 16:39.29 | kaltsi | maybe blizzard's website is run by the same company as maemo.org (dead) |
| 16:39.38 | jumpula | maybe |
| 16:39.42 | jumpula | "i see dead people" |
| 16:39.44 | czr | they must be using the same IPR |
| 16:40.29 | jumpula | to top of it all, the setup for nvidia drivers i tried to install crashed in the end :) |
| 16:40.48 | jumpula | although the application was only configuration helper, so i don't care |
| 16:41.05 | jumpula | it just moddled my settings |
| 16:41.20 | jumpula | i miss linux already |
| 16:42.30 | czr | kaltsi, did you get the "operation failed" hildonbanner with application manager as well? (when you started it) |
| 16:42.40 | kaltsi | yep |
| 16:42.52 | czr | I wonder whether that is related to the install from file problem |
| 16:43.01 | czr | but now I have a more serious one. |
| 16:43.08 | kaltsi | it coudl have something to do with network access |
| 16:43.15 | czr | network is fine |
| 16:43.32 | czr | ah. you mean stuff like conic and such? |
| 16:43.37 | kaltsi | yep |
| 16:43.47 | kaltsi | at least when I try to refresh the app list, then it will complain about libconic |
| 16:43.47 | czr | could be |
| 16:44.13 | czr | what is the file that determines what is put in the task navigator? |
| 16:44.50 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 16:45.04 | suihkulokki | czr: a .conf file somewhere under /etc |
| 16:45.16 | *** part/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.40.118) |
| 16:45.31 | czr | suihkulokki, ah, _that_ one ;-) |
| 16:45.51 | *** join/#maemo alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:45.53 | *** join/#maemo unique311 (n=unique31@ool-457ae2a6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:46.42 | czr | hmm. I wonder why a) I don't get any of the hello-world-app dynamic so thingies b) don't get the hello world task navigator thingy, and c) get the applications-menu twice in TN |
| 16:48.10 | *** join/#maemo cmarcelo (n=cmarcelo@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:49.25 | alterego | :) |
| 16:49.51 | *** join/#maemo p| (n=pi@62.13.168.67) |
| 16:53.08 | *** part/#maemo cofeinesunshine (n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt) |
| 16:53.37 | timelyx | _Monkey forget game |
| 16:53.38 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot game |
| 16:53.43 | timelyx | _Monkey game is <reply> |
| 16:53.44 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 16:54.24 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:54.36 | czr | FYI truls, rebooting didn't fix anything. |
| 16:55.21 | alterego | Oh .. A little bit more info .. |
| 16:56.04 | czr | who would've thought little helloworlds wer so dangerous |
| 17:02.11 | czr | kaltsi, ah, you fixed one of my bugs too :-) |
| 17:02.16 | czr | 2270 |
| 17:04.35 | kaltsi | well I just uploaded the packets there :) |
| 17:05.01 | czr | I know. still :-) |
| 17:05.50 | kaltsi | I like to mark bugs to fixed and grab the glory :) |
| 17:06.04 | *** join/#maemo kevinverma (n=Kevin@122.169.1.193) |
| 17:07.43 | *** join/#maemo trevarthan (n=jesse@c-71-59-54-137.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 17:08.15 | trevarthan | anyone have subversion for chinook yet? |
| 17:08.36 | zerojay | Shouldn't the old one work fine? |
| 17:08.43 | zerojay | Considering it's just a command line tool? |
| 17:08.57 | kaltsi | svn is there |
| 17:09.32 | trevarthan | tried from appmng. No luck. Incompatible. Lemme try dpkg -i |
| 17:09.50 | kaltsi | you mean for the device? |
| 17:10.07 | kaltsi | that's not there .. only in scratchbox |
| 17:11.02 | trevarthan | Yeah. The device. I'm a python dev. I try not to mess with scratchbox. |
| 17:12.27 | trevarthan | I wish the thumb vkb wouldn't always start with some text in it in chinook's xterm. Really annoying. |
| 17:13.11 | kaltsi | trevarthan: well the official n800 image is not out yet |
| 17:13.56 | trevarthan | Yeah. Maybe it'll be fixed by then. |
| 17:14.08 | konttori_ | maybe someone could compile svn for the device. |
| 17:14.09 | kaltsi | trevarthan: which language do you use? |
| 17:14.14 | konttori_ | should be pretty straight forward. |
| 17:14.22 | kaltsi | konttori_: yeah.. do it! :) |
| 17:14.23 | konttori_ | shouldn't bora version work out of the box |
| 17:14.41 | konttori_ | well, not me. I don't have enough porting experience. |
| 17:15.12 | trevarthan | I've got mixed feelings about the toolbar being on the bottom instead of the right too. Better line length. But pgup and pgdwn are awkward now. |
| 17:16.08 | *** join/#maemo averma (n=chatzill@122.169.1.193) |
| 17:16.38 | trevarthan | arg. thumb vkb pastes all text twice too. |
| 17:17.00 | trevarthan | kaltsi: python |
| 17:17.01 | _Monkey | somebody said python was probably the easiest |
| 17:17.24 | trevarthan | yer a genious monkey |
| 17:17.25 | kaltsi | trevarthan: ok, but as a language in the device.. english, french? :) |
| 17:17.33 | trevarthan | english |
| 17:17.33 | _Monkey | english is fine, no worrink! |
| 17:18.12 | czr | _Monkey, you're deep from accordion |
| 17:18.12 | _Monkey | czr: what? |
| 17:18.22 | *** join/#maemo ntrs__ (n=ntrs@79.125.240.124) |
| 17:19.33 | trevarthan | i love chinook btw. just wish xterm and the thumb vkb weren't fucked up. |
| 17:19.45 | konttori_ | trevarthan: ah. the xterm wasn't really properly tested for n800. I can see that being really annoying. I will add it to our bug db on monday |
| 17:20.07 | konttori_ | I'm handling xterm, so let me know of other annoyances as well |
| 17:20.12 | trevarthan | thank you. |
| 17:20.30 | czr | hmm. TN will break permanently only if it is running when the hello-world-app is removed |
| 17:20.39 | timelyx | _Monkey forget python |
| 17:20.39 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot python |
| 17:20.43 | timelyx | _Monkey python is <reply> |
| 17:20.43 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 17:20.49 | konttori_ | and the xterm is completely in garage, so it can be fixed in-between releases pretty easily as well (and we welcome contributors) |
| 17:21.13 | timelyx | _Monkey forget english |
| 17:21.14 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot english |
| 17:21.18 | Jaffa | konttori_: by "our bug db", I assume you mean Bugzilla/Garage; cos it'd be really irritating to know there are still internal bug trackers in regular use inside Nokia *as the default option* for open source stuff |
| 17:21.19 | timelyx | _Monkey english is <reply> |
| 17:21.19 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 17:21.22 | trevarthan | oh really? cool. |
| 17:21.35 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: That sound official and professional? ;) |
| 17:21.41 | konttori_ | ahh... yeah. true. |
| 17:21.53 | *** join/#maemo averma (n=chatzill@122.169.1.193) |
| 17:22.02 | konttori_ | I suppose it's better to keep master in garage. |
| 17:22.11 | konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ |
| 17:22.16 | sp3000 | garage's bugmail sucks :( |
| 17:22.24 | Jaffa | Of course, you can't get to garage atm :-( |
| 17:22.27 | czr | garage still down? |
| 17:22.30 | czr | ah :-) |
| 17:22.30 | konttori_ | nope. |
| 17:22.32 | konttori_ | it's up |
| 17:22.35 | Jaffa | Oh, it's back now. |
| 17:22.36 | timelyx | Jaffa: unfortunately, nokia really does suck |
| 17:22.40 | Jaffa | Wonderful, I can do lots of commits |
| 17:22.53 | czr | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/rapier/ ? |
| 17:22.53 | trevarthan | any chance we can make the location of the toolbar configurable in xterm? |
| 17:23.00 | konttori_ | and trevarthan, it can actually be that the thumb bug has been fixed in the latest xterm available on garage |
| 17:23.00 | czr | anyone get anything but a blank screen from that url? |
| 17:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm? What's that, zerojay? |
| 17:23.28 | konttori_ | I don't have my n810 with me on the weekend, as I had to loan it to another dev, but I'll check on the bug on monday |
| 17:23.35 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/rapier/trunk/ |
| 17:23.52 | trevarthan | Is there a package for download on garage? Or just svn? |
| 17:23.54 | timelyx | Jaffa: you can get to portions of garage |
| 17:23.56 | konttori_ | trevarthan: the location of the toolbar is specified by the UI people to be inline with ordinary toolbar use. |
| 17:24.08 | konttori_ | so, cannot be done for nokia releases. sorry. |
| 17:24.13 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: The message I sent out on Jablet announcing the quick downtime. |
| 17:24.31 | konttori_ | trevarthan: I don't think there is a package in garage. |
| 17:24.42 | timelyx | konttori_: i'm curious |
| 17:24.53 | timelyx | would you be opposed to adding code to handle alternate preferences? |
| 17:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, didn't see it. |
| 17:25.00 | timelyx | i'm currently wontfixing bugs asking for such junk |
| 17:25.16 | timelyx | because i need to start removing junk our ui designer asked for |
| 17:25.25 | trevarthan | Surely toolbar location could be optional and default to nokia standards though? |
| 17:25.27 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Oh... weird. Should have been broadcast to everyone. The broadcast plugin got updated last night.. maybe they gummed it up. :/ |
| 17:25.29 | konttori_ | nope, just that we can't deliver, as it would require new translations for the options and we are past the point of being able to request for new translations |
| 17:26.00 | timelyx | trevarthan: if it requires ui work, it's pretty much out :) |
| 17:26.13 | timelyx | konttori_: gconf only (no ui)? |
| 17:26.29 | konttori_ | yeah, that would do it. |
| 17:26.55 | konttori_ | In the end, I think it should be pretty easy to make the transtion to right side toolbar from the bottom toolbar. |
| 17:26.59 | zuh | What, Nokia spends UI cycles on xterm? Umm... Well spent, I hope ;) |
| 17:27.02 | konttori_ | I'll keep it in mind. |
| 17:27.15 | zuh | *UI design cycles |
| 17:27.19 | trevarthan | hah. Damn. Oh well. It's not that bad i guess. I think you'll get more complaints though. |
| 17:27.20 | konttori_ | Nope, nokia spent maybe 4 hours on the UI. |
| 17:27.21 | timelyx | zuh: nokia freezes ui design cycles |
| 17:27.37 | konttori_ | But it had to support some general guidlines (such as toolbar at the bottom) |
| 17:27.38 | timelyx | you get a few, and then aren't allowed to touch it for 18months :) |
| 17:28.33 | alterego | xterm wasn't developed by nokia. |
| 17:28.43 | zuh | hmm, osso-xterm is officially supported now? |
| 17:29.02 | timelyx | officially supported, hah |
| 17:29.03 | alterego | I think it's included in the rough OS2008 release everyone seems to be using. |
| 17:29.05 | timelyx | what's that mean? |
| 17:29.08 | trevarthan | Maybe xterm should be strictly 3rd party then. I'm not sure why a normal user would want it anyway to be honest. |
| 17:29.21 | timelyx | trevarthan: that was the claim used for 2005, 2006, 2007 |
| 17:29.24 | derf | Define "normal". |
| 17:29.25 | alterego | trevarthan, it is third party. |
| 17:29.51 | pupnik | they should just send out the darn N810 to the 500 people with the dev discount, finished OS or no |
| 17:29.58 | alterego | Regardless, when it comes down to it. I'd say 90% of tablet users use the xterm .. |
| 17:29.59 | trevarthan | I mean not included with the os and not governed by nokia. |
| 17:29.59 | zuh | timelyx: in the images or in the tableteer repos (or whatever they were) |
| 17:30.20 | shackan | alterego: yeah, normal people don't buy tablets, geeks do |
| 17:30.21 | alterego | trevarthan, it's not included with any official OS release. |
| 17:30.58 | trevarthan | Sure it is. :) |
| 17:31.04 | alterego | No, it isn't. |
| 17:31.23 | alterego | You might think it is. But you're wrong. |
| 17:31.37 | trevarthan | Really? Maybe i'm not remembering then. |
| 17:31.39 | timelyx | do i have to vpn in on a saturday night to answer this? |
| 17:31.58 | czr | timelyx, you know you want to |
| 17:32.04 | trevarthan | Why the hell is it governed by nokia then? |
| 17:32.10 | shackan | timelyx: but still, you're on irc on a sat night |
| 17:32.11 | alterego | I don't know what that means. All I know is xterm was never supplied with any official OS release. |
| 17:32.20 | timelyx | shackan: i'm watching tv |
| 17:32.21 | timelyx | or a movie |
| 17:32.23 | timelyx | or both |
| 17:32.33 | timelyx | vpn'ing would require i pull out my work laptop |
| 17:32.35 | timelyx | and turn it on |
| 17:32.41 | czr | kaltsi, bug 2313. you want to close that one as well? ;-) |
| 17:32.41 | _Monkey | Bug 2313 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2313 |
| 17:32.46 | timelyx | this is my recreational mac |
| 17:32.50 | czr | looks easy to fix.. very. |
| 17:33.22 | kaltsi | czr: eek |
| 17:33.30 | czr | there's a screenshot too :-) |
| 17:33.38 | czr | I just verified the bug. it wasn't one-off |
| 17:33.54 | timelyx | czr: what' |
| 17:34.01 | czr | timelyx, what what? |
| 17:34.04 | timelyx | s w/ the second applicaiton launcher menu? |
| 17:34.11 | timelyx | my enter key is too close to ' |
| 17:34.18 | czr | timelyx, look at the screenshot |
| 17:34.23 | czr | I have two application menus in the TN |
| 17:34.28 | czr | both work |
| 17:34.59 | czr | oddly enough, repeating the same breakage-procedure did not add more copies of the application menus :-) |
| 17:35.07 | timelyx | heh |
| 17:35.11 | czr | more seriously though, none of the .so based examples in hello-world-app work anymore |
| 17:35.15 | czr | except the control panel one. |
| 17:35.42 | *** join/#maemo kevinverma (n=Kevin@122.169.1.193) |
| 17:36.44 | trevarthan | Hope someone ports quick launcher to chinook soon. I miss it. |
| 17:36.47 | kaltsi | I think the correct target for that is the sdk and hello-world.. its postinst or postrm scripts may be buggy, the poor task navigator may have nothing to do with that |
| 17:37.16 | czr | kaltsi, I have no idea. I picked the category that seemed right to me. normally bugs will find their way into correct places magically :-) |
| 17:37.47 | kaltsi | yep yep |
| 17:37.55 | trevarthan | I'd also appreciate it if someone could build svn for chinook. |
| 17:38.26 | timelyx | why not use host svn? |
| 17:38.36 | czr | timelyx, he wants to run it on the device |
| 17:38.42 | konttori_ | I think xterm fits pretty well on the concept that n810 is computerish device and that with keyboard you can actually use that quite a lot. |
| 17:38.45 | timelyx | he's nuts |
| 17:38.49 | czr | or do you trevarthan? |
| 17:39.03 | konttori_ | I don't know the details why it was chosen to be added, but in the end I think it was a pretty good idea |
| 17:39.07 | czr | konttori_, if only the keyboard would have a tab as well! |
| 17:39.14 | czr | yeah. xterm ftw. |
| 17:39.31 | konttori_ | czr: it actually had (fn + space). |
| 17:39.44 | czr | hmm. why not a proper one? |
| 17:39.52 | konttori_ | I think that can still be configured by the x11 bindings |
| 17:39.59 | timelyx | konttori_: ooh! |
| 17:39.59 | konttori_ | anyway, need to leave |
| 17:40.03 | timelyx | can you please help me? |
| 17:40.09 | timelyx | i have these nuts bothering the browser team |
| 17:40.16 | timelyx | please explain to them how to map keys per app :) |
| 17:40.24 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 17:40.32 | czr | hmm. fn+space sounds nice. how to do it? |
| 17:41.04 | timelyx | lighting please? |
| 17:41.12 | czr | :-) |
| 17:41.12 | timelyx | that'd work nicely |
| 17:41.15 | trevarthan | timelyx: yeah. I run svn on the device for python dev over ssh. Efficient that way. |
| 17:41.31 | timelyx | trevarthan: sshfs? |
| 17:41.32 | _Monkey | somebody said sshfs was enough for mgedmin_'s needs |
| 17:41.37 | timelyx | samba? |
| 17:41.44 | timelyx | rsync? |
| 17:43.22 | trevarthan | Sure. Or svn on the device. :)Sure. Or svn on the device. :) |
| 17:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | nuts . . . I just want some basic functionality out of my browser. ;) |
| 17:43.36 | alterego | Wow, the PDF reader is faster too :) |
| 17:43.45 | czr | GeneralAntilles, shouldn't you be adding it instead of taking it out? |
| 17:43.55 | alterego | Still no support for hyperlinks though .. |
| 17:44.06 | czr | alterego, did you find a solution to your prob btw? |
| 17:44.06 | trevarthan | Btw. That sentence dup is chinook's xterm plus thumb vkb bug fault. |
| 17:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | Har har, czr. |
| 17:44.39 | czr | GeneralAntilles, I'm sorry. bad hair and everything else -day. |
| 17:45.15 | Jaffa | Yay, first proper tablet-encode release now on garage: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.php |
| 17:47.01 | alterego | czr, still working on it. |
| 17:47.21 | czr | alterego, ok. I'm thinking of quitting for tonight. motivation drainage after all the sdk mess. |
| 17:47.41 | RushPL_ | Jaffa: is the result of tablet-encode playable on the default video player? |
| 17:47.41 | alterego | Okay, |
| 17:47.46 | RushPL_ | not mplayer |
| 17:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, RushPL_. |
| 17:47.59 | Jaffa | RushPL_: yep, guaranteed (well, unless you use the 'mplayer' preset) |
| 17:48.00 | alterego | czr, so you don't want to help me with my issue? ;) |
| 17:48.10 | RushPL_ | cool, I need to try it. :) |
| 17:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer preset will run just fine on the built-in on the N800 |
| 17:48.27 | trevarthan | It would be really nice if the pdf reader remembered your page position like fbreader. |
| 17:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | Add another 400Kbps on it, even. |
| 17:48.28 | czr | alterego, not unless you want me to bork your SDK as well :-) |
| 17:48.29 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: might not now - it's been bumped up a little higher |
| 17:48.36 | Jaffa | Ah OK, cool. |
| 17:48.36 | timelyx | trevarthan: is that bug filed? |
| 17:48.39 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | I've bumped it to 1200 no problem. |
| 17:48.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you running OS2008 on your N800? |
| 17:48.56 | timelyx | trevarthan: also, how do you define a pdf file? |
| 17:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | It stays at 1000 by default, though. |
| 17:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Currently |
| 17:49.01 | timelyx | if you load page 5 in a pdf |
| 17:49.02 | timelyx | and quit |
| 17:49.03 | trevarthan | timelyx: which one? |
| 17:49.04 | timelyx | and then move the pdf |
| 17:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | but that worked under os2007, too. |
| 17:49.06 | timelyx | and reopen |
| 17:49.10 | timelyx | what page should it show? |
| 17:49.23 | timelyx | quit again, rename the file, roepen |
| 17:49.24 | timelyx | what page should it show? |
| 17:49.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed, just wanted some additional testing - we could bump the "best" preset up to whatever's really best, and lose the mplayer specific one if it's that good. |
| 17:49.51 | timelyx | trevarthan: once you've answered these questions, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org |
| 17:49.51 | trevarthan | Don't care really. Just want it to remember if i don't move the pdf. |
| 17:50.18 | timelyx | how many files should it remember? |
| 17:50.23 | timelyx | 10, 20, 100, 1000? |
| 17:50.32 | timelyx | how should it choose to forget? |
| 17:50.32 | trevarthan | All? |
| 17:50.38 | alterego | czr, what should be extremely simple is being a pain in the ass :/ |
| 17:50.39 | timelyx | what if you open 1million files? |
| 17:50.52 | timelyx | at some point, that's space on your very limited root partition |
| 17:50.54 | kaltsi | or a gazillion!? |
| 17:50.57 | czr | alterego, I feel the pain and can relate to the feeling. unfortunately for your ass and mine. |
| 17:51.02 | trevarthan | Yer fucked? :) |
| 17:51.05 | timelyx | ... |
| 17:51.12 | timelyx | answer these questions *properly* before filing |
| 17:51.18 | timelyx | otherwise, the results will be bad |
| 17:51.48 | alterego | czr, at least I have an error to work with now. Something the hildon-desktop loader didn't give me: undefined symbol: hd_plugin_loader_get_type |
| 17:52.11 | czr | that looks like API incompatibility somewhere |
| 17:52.13 | trevarthan | I think all of that is up to the dev. I just want it to remember. Don't care how. |
| 17:53.02 | timelyx | trevarthan: left up to the dev it'll get messed up |
| 17:53.06 | timelyx | lost, forgotten, or done poorly |
| 17:53.27 | timelyx | pick all the answers, leave it so the dev doesn't have to spend time thinking, negotiating, or discussing |
| 17:54.16 | trevarthan | Wow. It must suck to be a dev at nokia. No creativity allowed? |
| 17:54.25 | czr | heh |
| 17:54.43 | Jaffa | Planet's dead again. |
| 17:58.09 | czr | kaltsi, found the cause for the 'operation not permittied' problem in AM |
| 17:58.11 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 17:58.16 | *** join/#maemo fab_away (n=bellet@bellet.info) |
| 17:58.35 | czr | ahhaha. the same reason stops it from installing from file |
| 17:59.11 | czr | hmm. another problem though |
| 17:59.25 | czr | bleh. |
| 17:59.41 | czr | "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" |
| 18:00.11 | kaltsi | sudo? |
| 18:00.12 | _Monkey | well, sudo is supposed to do that. this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root :) |
| 18:00.27 | czr | kaltsi, no. it tries to run /usr/bin/fakeroot |
| 18:00.40 | czr | which isn't there. instead fakeroot is at /scratchbox/blah. |
| 18:00.52 | czr | added a symlink. it kind of works. except that when it comes to the time to actually install the deb |
| 18:01.05 | czr | then it fails because it's not running dpkg internally using fakeroot |
| 18:01.39 | kaltsi | hmm I've installed the sdk now a number of times in ubuntu and redhat systems.. never ran into that |
| 18:01.57 | czr | kaltsi, err, this is the "install from file" problem |
| 18:02.01 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:02.02 | czr | in application manager. |
| 18:02.10 | czr | the one that you verified ;-) |
| 18:02.12 | kaltsi | .. my coat |
| 18:02.35 | kaltsi | thank you, sir :) |
| 18:02.40 | czr | suits you :-) |
| 18:02.46 | kaltsi | :D |
| 18:04.31 | kaltsi | hm hum.. what if you started the AM as fakeroot.. would that make any sense (the fakeroot is a bit of magic to me) |
| 18:08.10 | kaltsi | nah that makes no sense |
| 18:08.47 | czr | the problem is that AM is not designed for SDK use. that's the problem |
| 18:08.49 | timelyx | omigosh |
| 18:08.55 | timelyx | did jericho use an n810? |
| 18:09.02 | *** join/#maemo K`zan (n=vw@c-76-121-5-32.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:09.04 | trevarthan | timelyx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2314 |
| 18:09.54 | timelyx | do you know how much free space there is on an n800? |
| 18:09.56 | timelyx | say <128mb |
| 18:10.14 | kaltsi | that's just nitpicking |
| 18:10.17 | trevarthan | do you know how much space a name->int mapping takes? |
| 18:10.23 | timelyx | 1million page mappings, w/ file paths of say 256 chars (minimum) |
| 18:10.24 | trevarthan | practically nothing |
| 18:10.31 | timelyx | each mapping is say 1k |
| 18:10.36 | timelyx | so, um... |
| 18:10.42 | timelyx | 1g? |
| 18:11.46 | trevarthan | nobody will open 1 million files in pdf reader |
| 18:11.50 | kaltsi | make it hash the document name and add a page number.. if someone goes through a million pdf documents with their n800, give that guy a cigar |
| 18:11.59 | trevarthan | seriously |
| 18:12.00 | timelyx | heh |
| 18:12.12 | czr | kaltsi, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/whee.png |
| 18:12.36 | kaltsi | you, sir, are a star! .. or the sdk rules? :) |
| 18:12.58 | czr | only if you consider ruling to be "forces to write incredible kludges"? |
| 18:13.05 | timelyx | trevarthan: severity: enh |
| 18:13.16 | kaltsi | sounds like ruling |
| 18:13.27 | czr | kaltsi, maybe in the company that you work in.. oh, wait.. |
| 18:13.29 | czr | :-) |
| 18:13.49 | czr | but everyone knows that glue is what makes the world go around |
| 18:13.57 | kaltsi | sniff |
| 18:14.04 | czr | I'll have a quick smoke and write up the bug-report. I noticed that there'a a log in AM nowadays too |
| 18:14.11 | czr | that prompted me to the first kludge |
| 18:14.24 | czr | the second kludge I had to kludgify all by myself |
| 18:14.26 | kaltsi | it's been there a long time.. at least with the red pill mode |
| 18:14.37 | trevarthan | timelyx: done |
| 18:14.45 | czr | it should be shown by default when there are issues |
| 18:14.53 | kaltsi | not really |
| 18:14.57 | timelyx | trevarthan: was the guided form unclear or did you sorta skip that? |
| 18:15.05 | czr | it should be! when _I_ have issues. damn it :-) |
| 18:15.12 | kaltsi | the 'average' user would never dare to use the AM again :) |
| 18:15.23 | czr | who you calling average! |
| 18:15.30 | kaltsi | takes one to know one! |
| 18:15.37 | kaltsi | wait.. |
| 18:15.40 | czr | :-) |
| 18:15.45 | alterego | I'm getting the feeling I'll never get this to work. |
| 18:15.57 | czr | maybe we should marry, procreate and fill the world with perfect averageness |
| 18:16.03 | kaltsi | beige |
| 18:16.44 | trevarthan | timelyx: too much data on the page. I looked, but didn't see it. |
| 18:16.57 | trevarthan | I'm used to Trac tickets |
| 18:18.17 | trevarthan | Man, I wish FBReader did PDF. They apparently have no interest in doing PDF though. Something about it being non-free? |
| 18:18.34 | trevarthan | Lame. |
| 18:19.48 | czr | kaltsi, application catalog doesn't work though. refreshing I mean. at least now I get an error message though |
| 18:19.55 | czr | hildon-application-manager[6261]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x8154470, (null), (null), 1) |
| 18:19.59 | czr | or rather, a debug message |
| 18:20.21 | alterego | Hmm .. Anyone know off hand what the correct sh syntax for assigning a value to a variable by having the name in another variable? |
| 18:20.21 | czr | but I don't really need that. |
| 18:20.24 | trevarthan | Anyone else experiencing wicked clock drift in chinook? |
| 18:20.32 | alterego | something like $1= ? |
| 18:20.40 | trevarthan | I set my clock two hours ago and it's off by an hour already. |
| 18:20.53 | czr | trevarthan, by chinook do you mean the SDK or a device? |
| 18:20.57 | trevarthan | device |
| 18:21.04 | *** join/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@82-69-62-183.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:21.04 | czr | then say so. chinook = sdk 4.0 |
| 18:21.06 | trevarthan | N810 firmware on an n800 |
| 18:21.12 | czr | ah. can't help you there. |
| 18:21.29 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 18:21.30 | czr | let me see what my device says |
| 18:21.38 | trevarthan | timelyx: why isn't NTP a default part of maemo yet? |
| 18:21.47 | timelyx | do i look like i'm part of core? |
| 18:21.56 | elb | ntp is, generally speaking, not good for power management |
| 18:22.01 | czr | indeed |
| 18:22.06 | *** join/#maemo koen (n=koen@s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 18:22.08 | timelyx | but that's why i wouldn't add it :) |
| 18:22.48 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 18:23.03 | kaltsi | alterego: foo=$bar |
| 18:23.06 | czr | btw. what is the component in application manager which kinds of resembles of "history" toolbar. the gray one with <- | Main > Browse installable applications? |
| 18:23.19 | timelyx | cookie crumbs? |
| 18:23.25 | kaltsi | alterego: nevermind.. :) |
| 18:23.31 | timelyx | it should be in media player too |
| 18:23.33 | alterego | kaltsi, thanks. Though it doesn't matter. I'm writing my script in Ruby instead ;) |
| 18:23.48 | GeneralAntilles | Nice if it could use NTP for a monthly sync, or something. |
| 18:23.49 | czr | timelyx, maybe so, but media player is not present in the SDK |
| 18:23.51 | timelyx | not sure if it made it anywhere else |
| 18:23.56 | timelyx | czr: ok, well, :) |
| 18:23.59 | *** join/#maemo corevette (n=corevett@adsl-75-18-210-15.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:24.07 | kaltsi | alterego: in php there was this ${} thingy, dunno about ruby |
| 18:24.10 | trevarthan | konttori: timelyx: I just noticed that I can't open URL links from xterm anymore. |
| 18:24.17 | trevarthan | in chinook |
| 18:24.18 | czr | eval is the correct way |
| 18:24.26 | *** join/#maemo hexa (n=hexa@modemcable058.106-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 18:24.49 | czr | alterego, foo=`eval $bar` |
| 18:25.01 | alterego | kaltsi, I don't need to do it in Ruby. It was just a hack for doing something in sh |
| 18:25.01 | czr | or smt like that |
| 18:26.33 | trevarthan | konttori: timelyx: I can't copy and paste from xterm either. ugh. |
| 18:26.34 | timelyx | anymore? |
| 18:26.45 | trevarthan | yeah, used to work fine in bora |
| 18:26.47 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.48 | timelyx | doesn't work? |
| 18:27.23 | trevarthan | dunno. I just know that URLs are underlined in xterm, and you used to be able to open them by holding the stylus over them. you can't now. |
| 18:27.54 | trevarthan | also, you used to be able to copy and paste by highlighting and going to Copy on the vkb. can't do that either now. |
| 18:28.07 | timelyx | are the vkbs available? |
| 18:29.26 | *** join/#maemo Ryback_ (n=ulisses@200.184.118.132) |
| 18:32.10 | trevarthan | I found copy. it's in the xterm menu. maybe it was always like that and I forgot. |
| 18:32.29 | trevarthan | but the URL thing used to be really cool. too bad that's broken. |
| 18:32.47 | derf | URL highlighting is a must. |
| 18:32.51 | *** join/#maemo pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:34.09 | kaltsi | maemo.org seems to work now |
| 18:34.47 | czr | kaltsi, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2312#c1 |
| 18:35.00 | czr | in case you're interested in seeing the "solution" |
| 18:36.10 | kaltsi | hehe nice |
| 18:36.31 | czr | oddly enough running dpkg.orig with fakeroot didn't work |
| 18:36.43 | czr | but hey, at least it works now |
| 18:38.41 | czr | what is the correct way to write hildon btw? |
| 18:38.50 | czr | hildon or Hildon? |
| 18:39.17 | *** join/#maemo playya (n=playya@p508B1F5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:39.30 | kaltsi | http://live.gnome.org/Hildon that place uses Hildon a lot |
| 18:39.32 | timelyx | http://live.gnome.org/Hildon |
| 18:39.51 | czr | so why don't you people spell it correctly then? :-) |
| 18:40.15 | timelyx | do i ever write it anywhere? |
| 18:40.19 | kaltsi | the shift key quota was reached last month |
| 18:40.29 | czr | plural you. as in "they" in the evil "they" :-) |
| 18:40.36 | czr | kaltsi, indeed :-) |
| 18:40.39 | czr | what about libosso? |
| 18:40.46 | timelyx | evcil |
| 18:40.59 | kaltsi | libbadname |
| 18:41.00 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.29.147.70) |
| 18:41.09 | timelyx | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:KtuXz5pctqwJ:maemo.org/maemowiki/HildonDesktopPortability+hildon+haf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5 |
| 18:41.12 | czr | I'm serious though |
| 18:41.20 | timelyx | it has various baseline apis |
| 18:41.22 | czr | Libosso or LibOSSO? |
| 18:41.26 | timelyx | including iirc oom notifications |
| 18:41.30 | timelyx | libosso afaik |
| 18:41.41 | czr | I know what it has. just wondering what you people use to write about it |
| 18:41.43 | *** join/#maemo oil_ (n=oil@ppp-124.120.5.221.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 18:41.57 | czr | which form/capitalization that is. |
| 18:41.58 | timelyx | i think it's the elephant in the corner |
| 18:42.08 | timelyx | no one writes about it :) |
| 18:42.12 | timelyx | but i'd write it all lowercase |
| 18:42.17 | kaltsi | take a look at the maemo quick start guide now that the site is up.. |
| 18:42.19 | czr | ok. you kaltsi? |
| 18:42.22 | timelyx | and yeah, i don't mind, since i've been known to ask similar questions in the past |
| 18:42.27 | kaltsi | that must mention the libosso somewhere.. I'd use that |
| 18:42.46 | timelyx | http://www.google.com/search?q=libosso%20site%3Amaemo.org&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 18:42.52 | kaltsi | ooo missed it.. site went down :D |
| 18:42.59 | timelyx | Libosso |
| 18:42.59 | timelyx | libosso.h. o + Data Structures. | o * osso_hw_state_t .... Generated on Mon Dec 18 16:43:35 2006 for Libosso by doxygen 1.4.2. |
| 18:42.59 | timelyx | maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/index.html - |
| 18:43.06 | timelyx | remind me to shoot someone |
| 18:43.19 | timelyx | the python people spell it LibOSSO] |
| 18:43.27 | czr | so do I |
| 18:43.39 | timelyx | LibOSSO: Not included |
| 18:43.39 | timelyx | When Libosso calls the application's exit callback function, the application should save its GUI state and unsaved user data and exit as soon as possible. ... |
| 18:43.39 | timelyx | maemo.org/api_refs/2.1/libosso/html/group__outside.html - 40k - |
| 18:43.40 | czr | without the brace obviously. |
| 18:43.44 | timelyx | the api people can't make up their mind |
| 18:43.58 | czr | I suggest LibOSSO. as per origin. |
| 18:44.17 | czr | and infact, I've had this discussion with other people already. there just doesn't seem to be a consensus on it |
| 18:44.38 | timelyx | much better :) |
| 18:44.42 | timelyx | anyway, i'm hungry |
| 18:44.46 | timelyx | i need dinner from yesterday |
| 18:44.51 | czr | -l'elephant in corner' ? :-) |
| 18:44.51 | timelyx | and breakfast/lunch/dinner from today |
| 18:44.56 | timelyx | czr: sold |
| 18:45.04 | czr | great. I'll file a bug against it |
| 18:45.19 | timelyx | good by me |
| 18:45.26 | timelyx | and goodbye -- me :) |
| 18:45.28 | czr | so instead of osso_initialize, it will be elephant_in_corner_energize() ? :-) |
| 18:45.44 | czr | later timelyx :-) |
| 18:45.51 | czr | I need some food too actually. |
| 18:46.00 | kaltsi | the maemo tutorial seems to call it LibOSSO |
| 18:46.13 | czr | but maemo tutorial is broken too |
| 18:46.25 | kaltsi | meh |
| 18:46.32 | czr | the fact is, all of the documents are in rather many ways in contradiction with each other :-) |
| 18:46.37 | czr | like maemo tutorial vs coding style, etc |
| 18:47.05 | czr | hmm. any idea where should I could the 'control' files of already installed deb packages? |
| 18:47.10 | kaltsi | it also calls it libOSSO |
| 18:47.15 | czr | heh |
| 18:47.27 | czr | I wonder if anyone calls it LibOsso or libOsso |
| 18:47.28 | kaltsi | "should I could" ? |
| 18:47.42 | czr | oh my. brain mistakes :-) |
| 18:47.44 | czr | should i find :-) |
| 18:47.56 | czr | I would find works too |
| 18:48.18 | kaltsi | hmm I doubt the control files get installed |
| 18:48.27 | czr | ah. shame |
| 18:49.11 | kaltsi | or I wonder how 'postrm' works.. that's a control file too and it's run when the deb is uninstalled.. so maybe they are somewhere |
| 18:49.26 | timelyx | those do go somewhere |
| 18:49.29 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.39 | timelyx | anyway, if the file's in chinook, the xref knows :) |
| 18:49.48 | czr | kaltsi, they're in /var/lib/dpkg/ smt. |
| 18:49.59 | kaltsi | ok good to know |
| 18:50.21 | alterego | I'm giving up for a while. |
| 18:51.05 | czr | beh, I just did a dump of dpkg -l > foo and went through all usages of hildon there |
| 18:51.14 | czr | just to check whether it's spelled incorrectly in other packages too |
| 18:51.21 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:51.47 | czr | timelyx, does your xref also point to the correct product/bugzilla section for each file? that'd be neat ;-) |
| 18:54.58 | czr | damn. someone grabbed 2314 |
| 18:55.44 | czr | ah. that was the one million files issue :--) |
| 18:57.14 | kaltsi | czr if you find this kind of bugs file them directly under development platform/sdk |
| 18:57.35 | czr | kaltsi, even if it's in hildon-theme-plankton? |
| 18:57.46 | kaltsi | well no :) |
| 18:57.49 | czr | see! |
| 18:58.11 | czr | this is why I choose what seems best to be and let heads roll.. or what was it :-) |
| 18:58.24 | czr | the product/category thing is really unclear to me at times |
| 18:58.37 | czr | especially since the SDK is not as a separate platform as it should be imho |
| 18:58.41 | kaltsi | although the plankton is an sdk theme.. so it would find the responsible from there too :) |
| 18:59.10 | czr | yes. but the point is that we (outsiders) don't get to see who ends up fixing what and what team does what |
| 18:59.31 | czr | we just see a randomly organized front-page which doesn't always contain the info that is necessary to decide where to bug people. |
| 18:59.40 | czr | and no, I'm not whining, just explaining that it's not easy :-) |
| 18:59.49 | czr | although I can whine too :-) |
| 19:00.52 | kaltsi | I don't blame you and those bugs will find their rightful owner wherever you decide to file them.. |
| 19:02.16 | alterego | You made me typo Builder to Buildon czr :P |
| 19:02.36 | czr | well, at least you weren't writing about straper |
| 19:02.47 | alterego | :) |
| 19:03.23 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.29.147.70) |
| 19:04.24 | p| | alterego: did you know this: http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/index.html ? |
| 19:06.13 | czr | hmm. is it possible to add some kind of column in saved searches in bugzilla that indicates how long each bug has been "inactive"? |
| 19:06.20 | czr | and when a bug was originally opened (by me) |
| 19:06.53 | czr | "yes there is, use the 'change columns' thingie" |
| 19:07.14 | czr | argh. but the 'changed' doesn't really reflect "how long", instead shows a date/timestamp |
| 19:07.41 | czr | "ah yes, but don't you know how to subtract any two given dates to get the number of days count automatically?" |
| 19:07.42 | czr | no |
| 19:07.45 | czr | :-( |
| 19:08.05 | alterego | p|, neat |
| 19:08.44 | alterego | czr, you could write a script to do that easy :P |
| 19:08.52 | sp3000 | czr, sort? |
| 19:09.09 | alterego | Does grease monkey have the ability to run external scripts to generate content? |
| 19:09.10 | czr | sp3000, no |
| 19:09.14 | alterego | If it does you're sorted :) |
| 19:09.48 | czr | take for example: Opened 2007-10-05, Changed 2007-11-01. I want to see '16 days ago' instead of 2007-11-01 |
| 19:10.29 | czr | alterego, yes I could. and then what? |
| 19:10.40 | alterego | Isn't that what you want? |
| 19:10.43 | czr | alterego, I prefer to use a browser directly with bugs.maemo.org :-) |
| 19:10.54 | czr | to write my own script? no. not really. |
| 19:10.56 | alterego | czr, you can. That's what greasemonkey does. |
| 19:11.04 | czr | bleh |
| 19:11.11 | czr | I don't use greasy monkeys |
| 19:11.18 | alterego | It's like advanced xslt. |
| 19:11.18 | czr | all my monkeys are squecky clean! |
| 19:11.25 | alterego | I don't use it either. I'm just giving you a solution :P |
| 19:11.26 | czr | I don't like xslt :-) |
| 19:11.36 | sp3000 | dom rather |
| 19:11.37 | alterego | xslt is okay. |
| 19:11.48 | czr | well, dom I can live with. |
| 19:11.53 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 19:11.54 | czr | but still, it's not worth it |
| 19:12.09 | alterego | I meant it functions similar to XSLT, you can piss around with the content. |
| 19:12.16 | alterego | It'd take you 10 minutes .. |
| 19:12.35 | czr | nothing ever takes only 10 minutes. |
| 19:12.43 | czr | especially things that should take 10 minutes. |
| 19:12.46 | p| | the problem with all this python/ruby calendar/todo/appointment is that they require to be running always on, no daemon... |
| 19:13.14 | alterego | Why would a program need a daemon? |
| 19:13.20 | sp3000 | czr: wouldn't a limit be sufficient though for what you probably want to do |
| 19:13.26 | alterego | (not with-standing the effort to make python startup faster |
| 19:13.57 | czr | sp3000, I don't know what I want to do. it's just hard to calculate relative time based on two arbitrary date-stamps :-) |
| 19:14.06 | czr | sp3000, never mind. I'm just cranky :-) |
| 19:14.28 | sp3000 | i.e. tack on &chfieldfrom=x on the query |
| 19:14.55 | sp3000 | oh, but, hm, you probably want it the other way around |
| 19:14.59 | czr | "'x' is not a legal date." |
| 19:15.01 | czr | haha |
| 19:15.27 | czr | I want to see all the bugs. so it's not really limits what I'm looking for |
| 19:15.47 | czr | I just want to see whether some bug might need more input from me or not, based on how long ago was the last time that something happened to it |
| 19:15.59 | sp3000 | ah, chfieldto rather |
| 19:16.34 | sp3000 | sorrry |
| 19:16.39 | sp3000 | 1d is a legal relative time |
| 19:17.10 | czr | hmm. but that shows bugs that were opened and changed during the same day. nothing else :-) |
| 19:17.14 | czr | which is slightly weird :--) |
| 19:17.20 | czr | (1d with chfieldto) |
| 19:17.35 | czr | or hmm. wait. no. |
| 19:17.46 | czr | bah. I don't care really. food -> |
| 19:17.49 | czr | thanks for trying though sp3000 |
| 19:18.01 | sp3000 | czr: e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=900d |
| 19:18.22 | keesj | the new gmail is almoost not usable of the n800 |
| 19:19.16 | sp3000 | :\ even |
| 19:19.21 | keesj | anybody using the imap interface now? |
| 19:19.37 | sp3000 | (reader is _heavy_) |
| 19:20.07 | sp3000 | (and the mobile variant or reader is too ...uh, mobile or something) |
| 19:20.17 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:20.38 | sp3000 | (3 roundtrips to real content, or somehing |
| 19:20.40 | sp3000 | ) |
| 19:23.13 | keesj | i guess i will need to start using vnc to get back some performance |
| 19:23.46 | maddler | planet is dead again... |
| 19:25.18 | czr | haha. bug 2263 |
| 19:25.19 | _Monkey | Bug 2263 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2263 |
| 19:26.06 | czr | -> afk. alterego, good luck and perseverance! |
| 19:26.15 | czr | and have a nice evening all too |
| 19:26.21 | alterego | See you |
| 19:30.12 | *** join/#maemo koen (n=koen@s55917625.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:34.10 | *** join/#maemo pupnik770 (n=user@dslb-084-059-046-209.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:34.43 | *** join/#maemo TPC- (n=andreas@pdpc/supporter/student/TPC) |
| 19:35.52 | pupnik770 | odd, xchat on 770 has no fullscreen apparently |
| 19:43.52 | K`zan | Morning all. |
| 19:44.22 | pupnik770 | hi-ya |
| 19:50.12 | *** join/#maemo tank17 (i=tank17@gateway/tor/x-73614cee77dc57e9) |
| 19:55.24 | *** join/#maemo greentux (n=lemke@Z5c20.z.pppool.de) |
| 20:02.57 | lopz | brb |
| 20:06.41 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 20:09.25 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 20:09.56 | lopz | re |
| 20:12.57 | *** join/#maemo amr (n=amr@cpc3-leed7-0-0-cust755.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:13.48 | amr | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cellphonetool/ |
| 20:13.54 | amr | anyone used that? |
| 20:14.05 | Jaffa | Nope - would be handy if it had some screenshots ;-) |
| 20:14.17 | amr | yeah it would |
| 20:14.24 | amr | i might install it now and give it a go |
| 20:14.46 | amr | hm, which is the one for os2006 |
| 20:15.15 | amr | thats mistral, isn't it? |
| 20:15.24 | *** join/#maemo ajturner (n=ajturner@c-68-43-182-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 20:16.58 | alterego | Sure, |
| 20:16.59 | Jaffa | Or gregale |
| 20:16.59 | _Monkey | gregale is something else entirely |
| 20:17.00 | alterego | Or gregale. |
| 20:17.01 | _Monkey | gregale is something else entirely |
| 20:17.10 | alterego | _Monkey, forget gregale |
| 20:17.10 | _Monkey | alterego: I forgot gregale |
| 20:17.11 | amr | which is the later one? |
| 20:17.12 | Jaffa | _Monkey: forget gregale |
| 20:17.12 | _Monkey | Jaffa, I didn't have anything matching gregale |
| 20:17.18 | alterego | gregale is the newer one. |
| 20:17.22 | amr | ok cool |
| 20:17.32 | Jaffa | _Monkey: gregale is the codename of the last IT OS 2006 release |
| 20:17.32 | _Monkey | ...but gregale is the newer one.... |
| 20:17.36 | Jaffa | _Monkey: forget gregale |
| 20:17.36 | _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot gregale |
| 20:17.37 | Jaffa | _Monkey: gregale is the codename of the last IT OS 2006 release |
| 20:17.37 | _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. |
| 20:18.36 | amr | is it possible to use the bluetooth functionality with python? |
| 20:19.56 | alterego | There should be obex bindings somewhere .. |
| 20:20.58 | K`zan | Is there and IRC client for 2008 yet? |
| 20:21.14 | K`zan | and/an |
| 20:22.15 | shackan | pidgin works ok |
| 20:22.53 | K`zan | Thanks, will check that out - thought it was just an IM client :-). |
| 20:23.07 | Jaffa | It's got an IRC transport |
| 20:23.35 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@241.84-49-135.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:24.29 | K`zan | xchat on 2007 was kinda small for these old eyes :). |
| 20:27.52 | *** join/#maemo fsmw (n=Fernando@200.29.147.70) |
| 20:33.53 | pupnik | i like the OS2006 audio player tbh |
| 20:34.57 | p| | can i disable matalyer-crawler ? |
| 20:35.04 | pupnik | heh good question |
| 20:36.53 | p| | whats his task ? |
| 20:37.16 | pupnik770 | scanning for media? |
| 20:37.30 | pupnik770 | which is silly because all the directories get rescanned when i open a file browser |
| 20:37.33 | pupnik770 | that's rather slow |
| 20:38.13 | *** join/#maemo zodman (n=zodman@189.151.57.103) |
| 20:42.18 | keesj | planel is no londer linked from the front page? |
| 20:42.29 | keesj | sorry garage news |
| 20:46.00 | alterego | I must be compiling this loader wrong. |
| 20:49.47 | zerojay | pupnik770: metalayer-crawler is for automatically adding music and videos on your SD cards and internal memory to the media player library. |
| 20:50.51 | pupnik770 | mkay |
| 20:51.04 | pupnik770 | audio player still scans my directories whenever i 'open file' |
| 20:51.13 | pupnik770 | i think this is kind of lame |
| 20:51.18 | pupnik770 | i can't target a directory |
| 20:51.23 | alterego | Hmmm .. hildon-desktop wont even autoconf .. |
| 20:51.24 | pupnik770 | cause it keeps adding directories as it scans them |
| 20:51.35 | pupnik770 | and they keep shifting down in the directory list |
| 20:51.38 | pupnik770 | so you have to wait |
| 20:51.39 | pupnik770 | and wait |
| 20:51.46 | pupnik770 | for the whole list of subdirectories to be scanned |
| 20:51.52 | p| | ok |
| 20:51.52 | pupnik770 | before you can select a subdirectory |
| 20:51.56 | pupnik770 | then repeat the process |
| 20:51.58 | p| | i stopped and revoed it |
| 20:51.58 | pupnik770 | and it's about |
| 20:51.59 | pupnik770 | as |
| 20:52.00 | pupnik770 | annoying |
| 20:52.03 | pupnik770 | as watching |
| 20:52.03 | p| | removed* |
| 20:52.04 | pupnik770 | me type this |
| 20:52.42 | alterego | That was pretty annoying :P |
| 20:53.19 | alterego | Hmm .. Odd. Builds with dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 20:53.35 | p| | finally i'm back to OS2007 :) |
| 20:53.50 | alterego | p|, 2008 not good enough? |
| 20:54.23 | p| | no |
| 20:54.30 | alterego | What's wrong with it? |
| 20:54.33 | p| | it lack too many apps |
| 20:54.40 | alterego | Like what? |
| 20:54.42 | p| | pand in primis |
| 20:54.48 | alterego | You could have helped port them :P |
| 20:55.06 | p| | unfortunately i need it with my phone :( |
| 20:55.14 | alterego | Why didn't you compile pand? |
| 20:55.27 | alterego | I would have used it. |
| 20:55.28 | p| | hehe i'm not a developer :) |
| 20:55.42 | alterego | You don't have to "develop" it. You just have to build it. |
| 20:55.47 | p| | only a (VERY) little scripter |
| 20:55.47 | zerojay | pupnik770: Why would you use Open File in media player? All your files are already in the library. |
| 20:56.03 | p| | i love os2008 interface |
| 20:56.09 | pupnik | i am using audio player |
| 20:56.11 | pupnik | let me check |
| 20:56.13 | alterego | zerojay, only when they're scanned by metalayer crawler :P |
| 20:56.16 | p| | but i think i'll wait for the official version |
| 20:56.30 | alterego | I'm not sure I could go back. |
| 20:56.33 | *** join/#maemo Masca (n=Masca@189.153.73.237) |
| 20:56.36 | zerojay | I can't. |
| 20:56.40 | p| | alterego: why not ? |
| 20:56.41 | *** join/#maemo oil (n=oil@ppp-124.120.1.46.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 20:56.49 | alterego | It has everything I need and I mainly want it to continue developing ruby-maemo for chinook. It's been a great help .. |
| 20:56.59 | zerojay | The upgrade has so many fixes and stuff I need. |
| 20:57.07 | alterego | 2008 is such an improvement .. |
| 20:57.17 | p| | i also need xchat, claws-mail,gnumeric |
| 20:57.25 | alterego | xchat? pfft. |
| 20:57.30 | p| | zerojay: for example ? |
| 20:57.39 | alterego | I still don't understand why you don't get the packages and compile them yourself. |
| 20:57.48 | alterego | You'd be doing everyone (including yourself) a big favour :P |
| 20:57.54 | zerojay | Fixes to the Jabber client, a browser that no longer crashes, etc.. |
| 20:58.11 | alterego | It's crashed once in the past 3 days :) |
| 20:58.13 | alterego | For me. |
| 20:58.33 | alterego | Not sure that was the browsers fault though .. |
| 20:58.36 | p| | i'm very noob to dev. |
| 20:58.54 | p| | and have not much time to learn unfortunately |
| 20:59.33 | alterego | I think I'll start using bleeding edge libraries too :) |
| 20:59.38 | alterego | Well, the ones I can compile ^_^ |
| 21:00.11 | p| | when primary applications (for my use) will be available, than i switch again |
| 21:00.19 | zerojay | pupnik: The entire time I've had my tablet.. maybe 8 months now, I've never even once used Open File in Media Player... so maybe you just don't know about the library or how to get to it. |
| 21:00.51 | *** join/#maemo GreySim (n=dennis@71-217-7-105.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 21:02.41 | GreySim | Anyone know if it's possible to rename a memory card on a 770 in OS2007HE? Using the September version as I keep getting disconnected trying to download the new one, but even turning swap off and rebooting, the name change from File Manager doesn't seem to be doing anything... |
| 21:02.58 | zerojay | Your card might be damaged. |
| 21:03.11 | *** join/#maemo oil (n=oil@ppp-124.120.2.236.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 21:03.49 | GreySim | Hmm. I wouldn't be surprised, honestly. |
| 21:04.10 | zerojay | Nor would I because almost no one knows how to properly use cards anyways. |
| 21:04.53 | GreySim | Oh, weird, the faded memory card icon apparently doesn't actually get used, because I replaced the standard one with a custom icon, but not the faded one, but it just faded my custom one on the fly... |
| 21:05.21 | pupnik | zerojay: it2006 has "Audio Player" and "video Player" - which do you refer-to? |
| 21:06.09 | pupnik | anyway the issue i was addressing is ~not~ limited to the audio player |
| 21:06.18 | zerojay | pupnik: Er.. I don't know because as far as I know, media player is one program that does both. And it's just called Media Player. |
| 21:06.19 | pupnik | it is the nature of the file selector in it2006 |
| 21:06.56 | pupnik | in it2006 clicking on menu gets you: Audio player // Video player // RSS feed reader // File manager |
| 21:07.15 | GreySim | Any tips on how to test for damage? My desktop system is Linux if that helps...I've just never had to do this. |
| 21:07.24 | zerojay | I don't remember ever seeing separate audio and video players. |
| 21:07.32 | zerojay | You must have something else installed. |
| 21:07.34 | *** join/#maemo Pio__ (n=sean@64.251.10.106) |
| 21:08.15 | pupnik | regardless, the issue is with the file-chooser in hildon, which is impossible to click on directories |
| 21:08.21 | pupnik | until it has scanned on all subdirectories |
| 21:08.32 | zerojay | That's not really an issue. |
| 21:08.35 | pupnik | unless you enjoy the video-game aspect of directories in a list moving around |
| 21:08.43 | pupnik | it is a waste of time and a UI error |
| 21:08.49 | zerojay | It's neither. |
| 21:08.56 | pupnik | you like waiting 20 seconds to change a directory? |
| 21:09.04 | zerojay | It's just the reality of a slow CPU being used with slow media. |
| 21:09.17 | pupnik | there's no need for the file chooser to scan each subdirectory |
| 21:09.21 | zerojay | No, but it's not like there's any way to fix it. |
| 21:09.36 | pupnik | hence, it's a UI design problem |
| 21:09.41 | zerojay | I'm almost convinced we're not talking about the same thing here at all. |
| 21:10.05 | pupnik | GreySim: why does the file opener need to show you how many 'items' a directory has? |
| 21:10.18 | pupnik | that's just microsoftian featuritis |
| 21:10.23 | zerojay | Because it's helpful? |
| 21:10.37 | pupnik | it is not |
| 21:10.43 | GreySim | pupnik: Yeah, I agree. |
| 21:10.50 | zerojay | It sure is. |
| 21:10.55 | GreySim | It *could* be helpful. But personally I never use it. |
| 21:11.16 | zerojay | Wastes less time than actually going into every directory to find the right one. |
| 21:11.23 | GreySim | Does it still do that if you use the small view? The default one on OS 2007? |
| 21:12.59 | GreySim | When trying to figure out which directory is the one I need, the number of items in them is never a factor as far as I can remember. The only time I could ever see that being useful is just knowing if the directory is empty or not, but I'd rather it save the time by not counting and letting me just jump in and out. |
| 21:13.32 | zerojay | That's the thing. |
| 21:13.39 | zerojay | You wouldn't be saving very much time at all. |
| 21:13.51 | zerojay | Not enough to even notice it. |
| 21:14.45 | GreySim | Well, regardless of the causes, I agree that the file manager in 2006 is seriously screwed up. I was just using it last night, and I just reflashed to 2007 today because that was one of the things that seriously irked me about 2006. |
| 21:15.03 | zerojay | I never got much of a chance to play with 2006. |
| 21:15.36 | GreySim | Lucky you. |
| 21:17.54 | *** join/#maemo Bingo (n=Bingo@86.67.30.254) |
| 21:18.42 | amr | whats wrong with it? |
| 21:21.02 | vegai | How does the Media Player work these days? |
| 21:21.24 | zerojay | Very well. |
| 21:22.33 | GreySim | amr: Actually, I guess my reasons are fairly unique, so probably not worth relating. Among other things, aesthetics. The Plankton theme is reason enough for me to upgrade to 2007HE. >.> |
| 21:23.00 | kaltsi | meh installing kagu fails |
| 21:23.29 | *** join/#maemo X-Fade (n=xfade@10.135-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:27.52 | pupnik | first report of n810 shipping retail in chicago today |
| 21:28.31 | zerojay | I'm still waiting on that Nokia e-mail. |
| 21:30.44 | GreySim | My odd love of shiny things also leads me to do crazy things like change system fonts and fiddle with .fonts.conf files for two hours trying to figure out the format and options and tweak the font rendering settings to be just right. >.> http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/GreySim/fonts.png |
| 21:32.09 | zerojay | Font's not bad. |
| 21:32.48 | zerojay | http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1FuAzS |
| 21:32.55 | zerojay | I love OS2008. |
| 21:33.45 | GreySim | It's the one from the Android stuff. Droid Sans 14 with no hinting and no subpixel rendering. Droid Serif in FBReader also looks really good with those settings. The default settings make some of the characters look weird otherwise. |
| 21:33.53 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 21:34.09 | pupnik | nokia.de shop still not listing n810 |
| 21:34.26 | pupnik | GreySim: agree on plankton |
| 21:34.48 | zerojay | Plankton's pretty cool in 2008 with the transparencies. |
| 21:35.13 | pupnik | GreySim: would be nice to have a dark theme like plankton, with dark border around apps instead of white, dark background on apps etc |
| 21:35.52 | amr | GreySim, yeah i agree |
| 21:35.54 | amr | i love plankton |
| 21:36.01 | amr | pity it doesn't work properly on 2006 |
| 21:36.10 | GreySim | Yeah. |
| 21:36.18 | amr | i was trying to copy it using thememaker but i didn't get very far |
| 21:38.27 | GreySim | Hmm. OS2008 doesn't let you reassign the web and contacts buttons still, does it? |
| 21:40.28 | pupnik | amr: what problems did you have? plankton worked OK for me on OS2006 except for two white horizontal bars in the left border |
| 21:40.42 | amr | yeah thats what i had |
| 21:40.47 | amr | it irritated me to no end |
| 21:41.07 | GreySim | Well, nevermind actually, I guess. I'm just gonna go back to trying to Tangoize as much of Maemo as possible despite the fact that Nokia used non-standard sized icons everywhere for no apparent reason. >.< |
| 21:41.23 | amr | gits >_< |
| 21:41.50 | GreySim | Thanks for the info though. Guess my memory card is just borked. |
| 21:47.25 | tko | hmm, the top two task navigator plugins have been configurable since '07 afaik |
| 21:47.59 | tko | or maybe even earlier |
| 21:50.02 | pupnik | "We will send you |
| 21:50.02 | pupnik | a notification as soon as the N810 is available in the online Nokia shop |
| 21:50.03 | pupnik | you selected." |
| 21:50.14 | pupnik | i don't recall selecting a shop |
| 21:54.09 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 21:54.10 | hircus | pupnik: someone at InternetTabletTalk reported signing up at a Nokia brick-and-mortar shop, for notification, and he actually picked up his tablet yesterday |
| 21:54.34 | alterego | Someone got a tablet already? |
| 21:54.35 | alterego | Cool. |
| 21:54.51 | alterego | I vaguely remember selecting the online shop I wanted to use. |
| 21:55.56 | pupnik770 | aah... if i did it was shop.nokia.de and they don't even list it :( |
| 21:56.16 | hircus | alterego: yup |
| 21:56.19 | alterego | Yeah .co.uk doesn't either. The one I selected. |
| 21:56.24 | K`zan | That Nokia start up screen has got to go... |
| 21:56.29 | hircus | Nokia ought to have a less confusing launch coordination |
| 21:56.51 | K`zan | Probably in flash though :-/. |
| 21:56.56 | pupnik770 | K`zan, i'd like a flying-sphagetti monster touching adam's finger logo on boot |
| 21:56.56 | hircus | LetsTalk.com (Nokia US online shop) claims a backorder up to Nov 27th... |
| 21:57.11 | hircus | Amazon claims Nov 27th as well, I think. but MobileCityOnline claims Nov 23rd |
| 21:57.20 | K`zan | LOL, anything other than someone trying to grab me :) |
| 21:57.23 | hircus | .. and LetsTalk apparently shipped some units already, out of their initial shipment |
| 21:58.45 | pupnik770 | http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/other/fsm.jpg |
| 21:58.46 | K`zan_800 | Hummm, didn't complain about the nick not being registered... |
| 21:59.12 | K`zan_800 | pupnik770: Heh, like that one... |
| 22:01.06 | pupnik770 | the artist shows up on freenode occasionally |
| 22:01.36 | K`zan_800 | But how to replace the grubbing paws screen :) |
| 22:02.49 | *** join/#maemo hexa (n=hexa@modemcable058.106-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 22:03.55 | pupnik770 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=939 |
| 22:04.29 | *** join/#maemo ol_schoola (n=meatwad@c-67-162-50-202.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:04.38 | alterego | Just occured to me .. |
| 22:05.00 | alterego | hd-plugin-manager.c might be autogenerated :) |
| 22:05.26 | K`zan_800 | pupnik770: Thanks! |
| 22:06.19 | pupnik770 | that logo on my system is a jpg not a png though |
| 22:09.39 | K`zan_800 | ssh on the device is WONDERFUL :). |
| 22:09.55 | K`zan_800 | Even figured out how to change user's password! |
| 22:10.04 | K`zan_800 | Love it more by the hour :). |
| 22:11.34 | hircus | K`zan_800: which device? 800 or 810? |
| 22:11.45 | K`zan_800 | 800 |
| 22:12.25 | pupnik770 | testing new boot logo |
| 22:12.47 | K`zan_800 | Going to have to find something and then get it correctly formatted.... |
| 22:14.50 | K`zan_800 | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_nokia_hands.jpg - not png |
| 22:16.31 | pupnik | not working here - when the progress bar loads i see the NOKIA logo instead of hands or my replacement image |
| 22:16.49 | pupnik | but then i see the image for 0.1 second before the desktop appears |
| 22:16.58 | *** part/#maemo amr (n=amr@cpc3-leed7-0-0-cust755.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:17.02 | *** join/#maemo amr (n=amr@cpc3-leed7-0-0-cust755.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:17.03 | amr | whoops |
| 22:17.14 | pupnik | possibly cause i have multiboot from mmc that it's not working |
| 22:17.41 | K`zan_800 | link? |
| 22:17.46 | K`zan_800 | never mind |
| 22:22.03 | lopz | bye |
| 22:22.21 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 22:25.05 | *** join/#maemo p|_ (n=pi@62.13.168.67) |
| 22:25.22 | derf | pupnik: Do you have R&D mode enabled? |
| 22:25.28 | pupnik | nope |
| 22:25.45 | derf | I believe that Nokia logo is somewhere on the initramfs. |
| 22:25.48 | pupnik | booting os2006 off mmc |
| 22:25.58 | K`zan_800 | Makes sense to me. |
| 22:26.15 | pupnik | well i see the logo for a split second before the hildon desktop appears |
| 22:26.16 | derf | I know when I switched R&D mode on, it started showing it. It might also if you're booting off mmc. |
| 22:26.20 | derf | Right. |
| 22:26.32 | derf | Your logo, you mean. |
| 22:26.39 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:26.41 | derf | You'll also see it properly when you shut down. |
| 22:27.33 | pupnik | i just see the NOKIA logo on shutdown also |
| 22:27.54 | derf | Well, maybe that's a 770 thing, then. |
| 22:28.03 | derf | I know I see mine on the N800. |
| 22:28.07 | pupnik | ok |
| 22:28.24 | derf | Or maybe related to booting off mmc instead of being in R&D mode. |
| 22:28.27 | pupnik | not a big deal - device is almost always on here (nice and stable) |
| 22:28.28 | pupnik | yep |
| 22:31.03 | alterego | This is starting to get me annoyed .. |
| 22:31.29 | *** join/#maemo Zword (n=Zword@bos94-3-82-226-234-106.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:31.40 | alterego | I can't find anything wrong with anything except things not working O_O |
| 22:32.10 | alterego | For some reason hd_plugin_loader_get_type doesn't appear to be defined when getting linked :/ |
| 22:33.31 | p|_ | is possible to do a: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/media/mmc2/mybkp bs=1M |
| 22:33.39 | alterego | Yes |
| 22:33.46 | alterego | It'll take a while though. |
| 22:33.55 | p|_ | also if i'm booting from internal flash ? |
| 22:33.58 | alterego | You might be better off piping it through an ssh connection or seomthing. |
| 22:34.21 | alterego | Well, it's not exactly safe to do it when booting from the device no .. |
| 22:34.23 | p|_ | baceuse i'm getting an error |
| 22:34.36 | p|_ | because* |
| 22:34.53 | *** join/#maemo TPC (n=andreas@pdpc/supporter/student/TPC) |
| 22:35.03 | p|_ | dd: /dev/mtdblock4: Input/Output error |
| 22:35.15 | p|_ | after about 88mb copied |
| 22:35.27 | alterego | Ah, that'd be EOF |
| 22:35.35 | alterego | Maybe .. |
| 22:35.37 | alterego | :) |
| 22:36.19 | p|_ | so ? is it an error or not ? |
| 22:36.43 | p|_ | is this type of backup supposed to work only if i boot from mmc ? |
| 22:38.20 | alterego | It doesn't exist .. |
| 22:38.40 | alterego | The hd_plugin_loader_get_type method isn't in any f*cking library in the SDK! |
| 22:38.51 | alterego | WTF?! |
| 22:39.32 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (i=[booiiin@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x32459B0C) |
| 22:40.20 | alterego | That is _retarded_ .. |
| 22:40.36 | alterego | p|_, yes. don't do it when you're actually using the device. |
| 22:40.45 | alterego | (internal flash boot) |
| 22:41.02 | p|_ | ok, thanks |
| 22:41.14 | tko | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-desktop/2.0.4-1/src/hd-plugin-loader.h |
| 22:41.27 | alterego | tko, that's meaning less |
| 22:41.47 | tko | library vs. executable ? |
| 22:41.47 | alterego | tko, I've been staring at those files for over a week. The symbol isn't in any shared library I can find. |
| 22:41.52 | alterego | I'm getting linking errors. |
| 22:42.05 | p|_ | after i have installed the OS2008 (and re-flash to OS2007) now i see while boot some extra info over the nokia logo |
| 22:42.14 | tko | oh well, another reason to kick jobi |
| 22:42.17 | p|_ | it do not show this before |
| 22:42.30 | timelyx | pl_: is it green? |
| 22:42.30 | alterego | I've wasted so much time on this. |
| 22:42.38 | alterego | And the problem isn't even obvious .. |
| 22:42.40 | p|_ | yes timelyx |
| 22:42.41 | _Monkey | hmmm... timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback |
| 22:42.53 | alterego | There don't appear to be _any_ plugin_loader related symbols being exported. |
| 22:42.54 | timelyx | you're in R&D mode, you can disable it w/ some flasher args |
| 22:43.03 | p|_ | ha ok |
| 22:43.05 | timelyx | something like --clear-rd-flags=... --disable-rd-mode |
| 22:43.09 | p|_ | thanks |
| 22:43.15 | p|_ | i'll search in itt |
| 22:43.28 | timelyx | ./flasher* --help |
| 22:44.20 | trenka | --disable-rd-mode enough |
| 22:45.05 | alterego | How can a library be built without these symbols being exported? |
| 22:45.55 | alterego | Getting angry isn't going to help me .. |
| 22:48.18 | tko | if the function is part of the executable it is available for any plugin that is dlopened into that process |
| 22:48.41 | pupnik | http://www.nokia.de/A4630299 german Nokia.de link to N810 info page - not in the shop yet |
| 22:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | You never know, alterego, you could end up turning into the Incredible Hulk/Programmer. ;) |
| 22:49.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:49.37 | alterego | And do what? Fix all the crap that's wrong with hildondesktop? |
| 22:50.09 | alterego | This issue doesn't make any sense at all. |
| 22:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | You'll release a perfectly stable, 3x faster and endlessly awesome OS2009 release within mere hours. |
| 22:50.42 | alterego | That would be interesting. |
| 22:51.58 | tko | http://lemonodor.com/archives/2007/10/youre_doing_it_wrong.html |
| 22:52.03 | l7 | hot damn |
| 22:52.16 | l7 | IT 2008 looks soo much better than IT 2007 |
| 22:52.18 | pupnik | i need to get in a spaceship going 0.9c for a few hours until the N810 hits germany |
| 22:52.20 | alterego | I can't believe this is happening ... |
| 22:52.21 | zerojay | yes |
| 22:53.08 | l7 | so did anyone buy the n810 today? |
| 22:53.25 | l7 | i would really like one if i had the extra money, but i guess i will settle for n800 |
| 22:53.38 | alterego | It's not out in my country. |
| 22:54.20 | elb | yeah |
| 22:54.27 | elb | I plan to order one when it's available, but ... not yet, in the US |
| 22:55.02 | alterego | I wonder if it's available in Finland yet ^_^ |
| 22:55.38 | hircus | l7: still stuck in pre-order land :) |
| 22:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | Well, sure, if you go knock over Nokia HQ. |
| 22:55.42 | timelyx | there's a nokia store in downtown helsinki |
| 22:55.44 | l7 | it is out in some US cities i think |
| 22:55.50 | timelyx | i could check there today (sunday) |
| 22:55.52 | hircus | l7: yeah, someone got it in Chicago |
| 22:55.57 | l7 | they called me telling me it was ready |
| 22:56.06 | hircus | alterego: can't you call the local store and reserve a unit? |
| 22:56.12 | l7 | if only i could afford one... |
| 22:56.22 | alterego | I don't have a local store. |
| 22:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | If only it were worth the money over the N800. :P |
| 22:56.29 | hircus | l7: you can make money offering to buy it for other people :) |
| 22:56.31 | timelyx | http://www.nokia.fi/A4353630 |
| 22:56.38 | l7 | hircus: really? |
| 22:56.43 | hircus | alterego: ah, thought you were asking about Finland |
| 22:56.48 | l7 | hircus: where? on ebay? |
| 22:57.01 | alterego | Doesn't look like it's out in Finland yet either ^_^ |
| 22:57.05 | zerojay | Can anyone out there explain to me what the point is of sid-support and ogg-support when they don't appear to do anything? |
| 22:57.11 | *** join/#maemo Matt-W (i=maw@growl/Matt-W) |
| 22:57.12 | l7 | i guess i might as well since i reserved one |
| 22:57.13 | hircus | l7: lots of people living in Canada, etc. can't buy it directly |
| 22:57.18 | timelyx | what's sid-support? |
| 22:57.33 | zerojay | Supposedly adds .sid music support to the tablet. |
| 22:57.33 | l7 | hircus: what's the most trusted way to do this? |
| 22:57.36 | hircus | so yes. announce it in internettablettalk -- but make sure the unit is in stock at your local store |
| 22:57.41 | l7 | i haven't really experimetned w/ ebay |
| 22:57.44 | timelyx | what's sid? |
| 22:57.52 | hircus | l7: I'd say eBay and only accepting Paypal account-holders |
| 22:57.53 | K`zan_800 | what is sid? |
| 22:57.56 | zerojay | timelyx: Are you kidding me? |
| 22:58.01 | timelyx | no? |
| 22:58.06 | zerojay | timelyx: C64 music files. |
| 22:58.07 | hircus | .sid -- old music format, no? can't remember the details |
| 22:58.08 | hircus | aha |
| 22:58.08 | timelyx | i'm a browser dev, not a music philo |
| 22:58.11 | tko | debian unstable |
| 22:58.13 | Matt-W | I've got a really silly problem. I'm trying to get the Chinook SDK working but apt-get from inside scratchbox can't resolve any hostnames (wget can though) |
| 22:58.20 | l7 | hircus: would people trust someone w/o a seller history though? |
| 22:58.27 | timelyx | bah, i was a fli/flc/mid fan myself |
| 22:58.29 | hircus | l7: good point |
| 22:58.30 | l7 | i could use amazon marketplace perhaps |
| 22:58.37 | hircus | l7: same problem |
| 22:58.52 | timelyx | i asked and was told there was sid support, but no good mid support |
| 22:58.53 | zerojay | timelyx: Those would be nice too. |
| 22:58.54 | hircus | and on Amazon, the top sellers have, what, thousands of ratings. so it's harder |
| 22:58.55 | l7 | oh i thought amazon gave the buyer more insurance |
| 22:59.14 | hircus | l7: if you accept Paypal users only, they automatically have, I think, $200 insurance |
| 22:59.33 | hircus | I'd sell myself if only I have access to a local store where I can just quickly pick them up :) |
| 22:59.45 | l7 | hircus: hrm, i think they would want more insurance than that |
| 23:00.11 | alterego | I'm not going to have wasted all this time for nothing. |
| 23:00.58 | l7 | well it's a cool idea, i was sort of thinking about it, but the whole ebay world has sort of eluded me |
| 23:01.23 | l7 | reggie's video on the n810 is really nice |
| 23:01.37 | hircus | it is indeed |
| 23:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | You could do it on a case-by-case with Paypal through ITT, l7. |
| 23:01.48 | elb | tko: who is the first image on that page, do you know? |
| 23:01.53 | zerojay | It's just too bad that Reggie's voice makes me want to fall asleep. |
| 23:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:02.15 | alterego | So the N810 is officially out? |
| 23:02.17 | zerojay | Other than that, very good video. |
| 23:02.28 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: what kind of markup would be reasonable to charge for shipping units to people? |
| 23:02.29 | timelyx | it's been out for a few days, afaict |
| 23:02.35 | tko | elb: nope, but it might be said in the comments |
| 23:02.39 | hircus | oh wait. Reggie's video, not thoughtfix's .. where, on the main page? |
| 23:02.42 | l7 | seems like you would have to buy insured shipping too |
| 23:02.45 | alterego | What countries? |
| 23:02.54 | hircus | timelyx: it's Schrodingerly out |
| 23:03.09 | timelyx | hircus: it's out and then it's out of stock? |
| 23:03.14 | zerojay | Hm.. microb-spellcheck.. interesting. |
| 23:03.28 | pupnik | refresh... refresh... |
| 23:03.31 | timelyx | zerojay: iirc that was missing a ui element :( |
| 23:03.42 | zerojay | I'll try it anyways. |
| 23:03.56 | hircus | timelyx: yes. and the non-Nokia shops are not even selling it yet |
| 23:04.14 | hircus | makes me wonder why Nokia can't coordinate launches like how Sony, Nintendo, Apple does it |
| 23:04.19 | *** join/#maemo Tieku (n=Joe@cpc3-leed14-0-0-cust462.leed.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:04.45 | timelyx | hircus: you must have missed the n800 launch |
| 23:04.56 | *** join/#maemo huron (n=test@CPE3e648ab0d618-CM00195ee368e4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:04.59 | timelyx | there was the launch date, and then there was the day you could get it in stores |
| 23:05.03 | hircus | timelyx: I was there |
| 23:05.05 | alterego | There's a difference between "can't" and "can't be bothered" or "won't" |
| 23:05.10 | timelyx | or should i say, there was the day you could get it in stores, and then there was the launch |
| 23:05.22 | hircus | alterego: ah yes. "can't be bothered" |
| 23:05.26 | alterego | Nokia are perfectly _capable_ of a coordinated launch. They obviously choose not to. |
| 23:05.40 | hircus | so it's between accusing incompetence and accusing callousness :) |
| 23:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | Or the day before the launch date you could buy it in stores if you went to the right CompUSA. :D |
| 23:05.55 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: my point exactly |
| 23:05.56 | huron | hey guys, any idea whether mplayer is available for OS2008? |
| 23:05.59 | hircus | exactly! they did not put a gag-order on the shops |
| 23:06.10 | timelyx | hircus: that worked well enough for HP |
| 23:06.11 | hircus | same case with LetsTalk and the Chicago store this time around, no? |
| 23:06.15 | hircus | HP .. ugh |
| 23:06.19 | tko | hmm, like apple launching iphone several months before you could get it in stores? was there a point somewhere? |
| 23:06.22 | timelyx | if a book seller can't get a coordinated launch right |
| 23:06.28 | timelyx | what makes you think a phone vendor can? |
| 23:06.31 | hircus | HP's launch of their anniversary-edition calculator works well, actually |
| 23:06.33 | pupnik | maybe nokia just ships to USA faster so they can make some money before the dollar becomes worthless |
| 23:06.33 | l7 | Tieku: how much did the n800 cost on ebay? |
| 23:06.38 | timelyx | hircus: wrong HP |
| 23:06.39 | elb | pupnik: hah |
| 23:06.46 | l7 | haha |
| 23:06.57 | hircus | but otherwise.. HP is quoting different prices for the same components depending on whether you go HP/Intel, HP/AMD, Compaq/Intel or Compaq/AMD :P |
| 23:06.58 | elb | it HAS to bounce sooner or later :-P |
| 23:07.32 | hircus | tko: well, pre-announcing is fine |
| 23:07.37 | pupnik | elb with M3 growing at 14% APR? not any time soon |
| 23:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | The gag order on the last HP was a joke. |
| 23:07.47 | hircus | but the shipping should be coordinated |
| 23:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | There aren't going to be any more HPs, so . . . who cares? |
| 23:08.08 | Matt-W | So it seems other people have had the problem with apt-get not resolving hostnames inside Scratchbox, but the suggested fixes are all already in place on my system and it still doesn't work. Irksome. |
| 23:08.11 | hircus | oh, Harry Potter :P |
| 23:08.16 | elb | pupnik: M3? |
| 23:08.32 | elb | (M3 is not a term with which I am familiar) |
| 23:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | Economics, elb. |
| 23:08.45 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: my sympathies :) |
| 23:08.51 | pupnik | elb a measure of the money supply - they create more credit and dollars, this leads to inflation |
| 23:08.57 | elb | GeneralAntilles: that's not really a useful answer |
| 23:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | It gives you enough to hit wiki. ;) |
| 23:09.12 | hircus | could someone do a quick rehash of the difference between M2, M3, M4? :) |
| 23:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply |
| 23:09.30 | elb | wikipedia is generally full of lies and worthlessness, if that's what you mean by 'wiki' |
| 23:09.32 | pupnik | i just watch shadowgovtstats.com to see trends in dollar |
| 23:09.33 | Tieku | l7: i got it for £123 |
| 23:09.48 | hircus | elb: ah, you mean 'statistics' :) |
| 23:10.04 | timelyx | you're missing damn lies |
| 23:10.06 | elb | pupnik: I keep hearing all about all the inflation, but ... if anything, I have seen deflation in the past 12 months, empirically |
| 23:10.08 | alterego | Doesn't look like it's available in _any_ online shop. |
| 23:10.16 | timelyx | a very important part of statistics |
| 23:10.22 | elb | pupnik: it's not clear to me that we have any idea what the problem is :-) |
| 23:10.34 | hircus | alterego: which country? |
| 23:10.42 | Matt-W | Woo, working now. |
| 23:10.43 | alterego | _any_ country. |
| 23:10.52 | pupnik | I pick my gurus and follow them blindly |
| 23:11.15 | timelyx | hey, does the nokia.com/nokiausa.com store have correct product info for the n810 yet? |
| 23:11.15 | guru3 | all hail me? ;) |
| 23:11.20 | timelyx | last i checked, the n810 was weightless |
| 23:11.22 | hircus | confusing, right? unless you know from somewhere else, you'd not know that you can preorder it |
| 23:11.29 | hircus | weightless -- awesome |
| 23:11.44 | timelyx | hircus: among some other very amusing detials |
| 23:11.49 | alterego | Pre order it from where? |
| 23:11.50 | timelyx | s/ia/ai/ |
| 23:11.59 | alterego | You can't preorder it from the online shops. |
| 23:12.04 | hircus | alterego: amazon.com, mobilecityonline.com, letstalk.com <= Nokia's own store |
| 23:12.06 | alterego | There are no shops in the UK .. |
| 23:12.11 | *** part/#maemo huron (n=test@CPE3e648ab0d618-CM00195ee368e4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:12.13 | hircus | alterego: yes you can. oh, not in the UK, probably |
| 23:12.20 | alterego | No, you can't. |
| 23:12.23 | hircus | alterego: ah, for letstalk you might have to call |
| 23:12.27 | alterego | Not if you have the discount code like me. |
| 23:12.42 | elb | yeah, those of us with discount codes apparently have to wait for some magic word :-) |
| 23:12.43 | zerojay | yep :( |
| 23:12.49 | alterego | I doubt any store selling the N810 would accept my discount code. |
| 23:12.54 | hircus | I think letstalk does the $75 discount code |
| 23:13.02 | alterego | You think .. |
| 23:13.10 | hircus | is it that, or the full developer discount? |
| 23:13.25 | alterego | I have the device program discount code. |
| 23:13.38 | alterego | _a_ device program discount code .. |
| 23:14.08 | hircus | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11642 |
| 23:14.19 | hircus | yes, the device program one probably won't work |
| 23:14.24 | alterego | I suppose this is why Python don't have a working desktop plugin system |
| 23:14.39 | alterego | Despite maemo having written the python loader and it being in SVN. |
| 23:15.58 | K`zan_800 | Don't think that map download is working - everything flashing, but progress bar going nowhere... |
| 23:16.09 | K`zan_800 | 686MB |
| 23:16.21 | alterego | It's probably going slowely. |
| 23:16.37 | K`zan_800 | Def doing that. Wonder where it plans to put it?!? |
| 23:16.46 | alterego | SD card |
| 23:16.50 | K`zan_800 | Does it select the SD card with most space. |
| 23:16.52 | zerojay | bingo |
| 23:16.53 | K`zan_800 | Ah, good |
| 23:17.02 | K`zan_800 | Clever little thing :)! |
| 23:17.27 | pupnik | someone mentioned needing 2x the map size in free space for map download |
| 23:17.36 | l7 | are discount codes only available to developers? |
| 23:17.39 | K`zan_800 | Got a 4G and 1G card in there. |
| 23:17.50 | zerojay | l7: No, they were given to 500 people who applied. |
| 23:18.19 | K`zan_800 | If I hadn't already had a decent GPS, I might have considered the 810. |
| 23:18.29 | l7 | zerojay: where di they apply? |
| 23:18.37 | hircus | l7: program closed by now, I think |
| 23:18.45 | hircus | but it was announced at maemo.org |
| 23:18.55 | K`zan_800 | If one could get into it :-(. |
| 23:19.03 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/500_fortunate_applicants.html |
| 23:19.13 | K`zan_800 | Which reminds me, I should try getting into it again today and see if it works. |
| 23:19.17 | alterego | Does your GPS access the internet and is it able to run 3rd party applications? |
| 23:19.34 | K`zan_800 | Works today! |
| 23:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | Or navigate with google satellite maps? |
| 23:19.51 | l7 | so are all the people who applied developers? |
| 23:19.54 | zerojay | l7: You're way too late. |
| 23:19.58 | l7 | or just people who submitted ideas? |
| 23:20.01 | zerojay | l7: No. |
| 23:20.04 | *** join/#maemo ryanfaerman (n=ryanfaer@crlspr-69.65.71.237.myacc.net) |
| 23:20.12 | K`zan_800 | What is this assigning some of the SD card to "virtual memory" thing? |
| 23:20.16 | alterego | No, I had a friend who applied and got accepted that is in no-way a a developer :) |
| 23:20.18 | K`zan_800 | Expands the on device RAM? |
| 23:20.22 | l7 | ah well, i thought it was only for devs |
| 23:20.23 | K`zan_800 | err FLASH |
| 23:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's a swap space, you want it K`zan_800. |
| 23:20.39 | l7 | how much was the discount? |
| 23:20.41 | K`zan_800 | How much is good? |
| 23:20.46 | GeneralAntilles | 128 |
| 23:20.53 | derf | It means that instead of spontaneously rebooting, your device just gets really, really slow. |
| 23:21.00 | K`zan_800 | OK, that's easy, thanks :)! |
| 23:21.12 | alterego | l7, you should read more carefully. there was a _BIG_ point made about it. |
| 23:21.42 | alterego | l7, N810 for 99 EUR to the fortunate 5000 |
| 23:21.46 | alterego | ~500 |
| 23:21.47 | infobot | hmm... 500 is at #tuxboxproject |
| 23:21.54 | K`zan_800 | Surprising maemo isn't on the default bookmarks.. |
| 23:22.06 | timelyx | why? |
| 23:22.19 | alterego | He's easily suprised? :) |
| 23:22.26 | K`zan_800 | An important resource for N stuff? |
| 23:22.32 | K`zan_800 | LOL, true :-) |
| 23:22.33 | timelyx | no |
| 23:22.39 | K`zan_800 | No? |
| 23:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Instead it's filled with stupid trendy "green" crap. |
| 23:22.49 | hircus | N800 developer discount was only for developers. N810 program was for developers and anyone who helps the platform (i.e. evangelists, doc writers etc) |
| 23:23.02 | timelyx | GeneralAntilles: nokia changed its values about a year ago |
| 23:23.08 | l7 | alterego: i assumed i was unworthy, not being a dev :) |
| 23:23.10 | timelyx | green stuff was a "new" value |
| 23:23.20 | timelyx | so our customers get to suffer from it :) |
| 23:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm a particularly fan of the charger disconnect warning. :\ |
| 23:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | *-ly |
| 23:23.34 | hircus | heck, even Dell will offer to plant a tree for you when you purchase something :) |
| 23:23.38 | alterego | Assumptions will make you look foolish in the end. You missed out on a great opportunity. |
| 23:24.00 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, I've not seen that warning. |
| 23:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285 |
| 23:24.17 | K`zan_800 | Yeah, like it is going to use up all the electricity on the planet... |
| 23:24.18 | timelyx | alterego: leave your device charging for 2 days |
| 23:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | There's a picture at the bottom. |
| 23:24.28 | timelyx | you'll get the message |
| 23:24.28 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, it's odd. Considering how the chargers drop to almost no power consumption when charging has finished. |
| 23:24.47 | timelyx | alterego: my impression is that a government complained |
| 23:24.57 | alterego | O_o |
| 23:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 23:25.07 | timelyx | slightly unrelated, i think some gov was complaining about devices using standbye mode |
| 23:25.09 | timelyx | s/ye/e/ |
| 23:25.11 | timelyx | blah |
| 23:25.13 | timelyx | whatever |
| 23:25.20 | hircus | yes, Britain |
| 23:25.26 | alterego | I'd be more worried about my VCR. Nokia chargers are the best I've ever used for power consumption. |
| 23:25.32 | alterego | They really are top-notch. |
| 23:25.41 | hircus | the Conservatives brought it up to out-green the govt, and naturally the govt felt they had to respond |
| 23:25.45 | elb | heh I unplug my coffee grinder because it gets physically warm to the touch, doing nothing :-P |
| 23:25.52 | hircus | I think it's more a worry with HDTV owners :) |
| 23:25.59 | elb | it's amazing how much power a lot of appliances use doing nothing |
| 23:26.03 | K`zan_800 | LOL one might think... |
| 23:26.11 | elb | I assume the concern is that the inverter is drawing power doing nothing? |
| 23:26.26 | alterego | Yeah it is, it's also amazing how little power the Nokia phone chargers take when doing nothing :P |
| 23:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to do a study showing that the CPU cycles wasted in showing that banner actually exceed the charger in the amount of power used. :P |
| 23:26.57 | elb | I keep meaning to buy a kWh meter |
| 23:27.02 | alterego | You could be fooled into thinking they're not actually plugged in. |
| 23:27.17 | K`zan_800 | More nuke plants *please*. |
| 23:27.18 | alterego | GeneralAntilles, you're probably right ;) |
| 23:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | If only I could turn it off. |
| 23:27.38 | p| | 'night to all ! |
| 23:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | It just gets in the way. |
| 23:28.11 | timelyx | you can't :( |
| 23:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | This whole green trendiness thing makes me want to become a cutter. |
| 23:28.45 | alterego | Hah |
| 23:28.48 | K`zan_800 | Understand that. |
| 23:29.03 | K`zan_800 | Done some actual research there 'eh GeneralAntilles? ;-) |
| 23:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, just for spite, I'm going to leave an extra CFL on 24/7. |
| 23:29.22 | hircus | still preferable than the SUV craze in the '90s, but yes, a lot of it is hype |
| 23:29.33 | K`zan_800 | All that mercury, tisk, tisk... |
| 23:29.43 | hircus | GeneralAntilles: could be worse. incandescent lightbulb! |
| 23:29.53 | K`zan_800 | Cheaper than a heater :) |
| 23:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | I was just going to say that. |
| 23:30.03 | hircus | K`zan_800: very true. |
| 23:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | Especially here in Florida where it really doesn't get THAT cold. |
| 23:30.16 | K`zan_800 | Envrioloons, sigh... |
| 23:30.22 | hircus | so I guess they should be banned in summer only :) |
| 23:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | They've politicized the whole environment issue |
| 23:30.40 | hircus | I think Australia is actually phasing them out completely -- you won't be able to buy them anymore |
| 23:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | it's so far gone that they're just driving people away. |
| 23:30.47 | hircus | I see a market in LED Christmas decorations |
| 23:30.47 | K`zan_800 | Yep, go back and live in caves that will make them happy... |
| 23:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | No, kill yourself. |
| 23:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, just be sure to vote for my bug! :P |
| 23:31.15 | K`zan_800 | Right, I was just about to say that they will only be happy when all humanity is dead. |
| 23:31.19 | alterego | I've got several in fact. |
| 23:31.20 | hircus | that's the problem with any movement, really? That the self-righteous core end up pissing off everyone else |
| 23:31.39 | K`zan_800 | Easier to be religious about it than actually do and understand real research. |
| 23:31.40 | hircus | alterego: neat! where did you get them? |
| 23:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | and they've got hypocrites like Al Gore as their main cheerleaders. |
| 23:31.57 | alterego | hircus, I can't remember. I think it was Maplin |
| 23:32.19 | K`zan_800 | That map download has really got the device constipated :-). |
| 23:32.20 | hircus | alterego: ah. fond memories of undergrad days |
| 23:32.49 | hircus | yeah, the problem with politicizing an issue is that then the other side tends to distrust whatever you say |
| 23:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Especially when 90% of what you say isn't actually backed up by facts. |
| 23:33.24 | K`zan_800 | Yep, too true. Only recently have the real climateologist been allowed to be heard. |
| 23:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | Which is sad, as the environment is an issue EVERYBODY can get behind. |
| 23:33.39 | K`zan_800 | And they all say BS :-/. |
| 23:34.17 | K`zan_800 | Yep, but a good scam, anyone want to buy carbon credits from me? Just take a few to print up however many you want :) |
| 23:34.43 | K`zan_800 | algore might get upset with me horning in on his cash cow though... |
| 23:34.52 | K`zan_800 | Sheesh |
| 23:35.16 | K`zan_800 | Starving, chow, bbiab |
| 23:36.12 | alterego | Holy cow I've found it. |
| 23:36.20 | derf | Al Gore's cash cow is all the boards of directors he sits on, not the environment. |
| 23:36.34 | K`zan_800 | But that gets publicity for the loons... |
| 23:36.58 | hircus | Apple. I commented when he was appointed that it's so fitting |
| 23:37.14 | hircus | the guy who invented the Internet (and the environment) and the company that "invented" the GUI |
| 23:37.30 | alterego | What does the Ndx field in readelf -s mean? |
| 23:38.30 | tko | alterego: index? |
| 23:38.40 | alterego | Yeah, I worked that out now :) |
| 23:38.57 | alterego | I thought I found the symbol, but it's UND (undefined) I guess. |
| 23:39.08 | alterego | The occurance was actually in _my_ plugin loader. |
| 23:39.21 | *** join/#maemo l7 (n=l7@evil-wire.org) |
| 23:39.32 | tko | that is to be expected |
| 23:39.37 | timelyx | yeah |
| 23:39.50 | timelyx | it'd be kinda bad if it were in our libraries :) |
| 23:39.58 | alterego | So who's life do I threaten to get this fixed? |
| 23:40.21 | tko | lucasr if he were here. jobi is the next best thing :) |
| 23:40.24 | timelyx | is it defined in a nokia header? |
| 23:40.48 | alterego | It's generated by the G_DEFINE_TYPE macro |
| 23:40.58 | timelyx | gah |
| 23:41.01 | tko | lucas, having written the python loader, is likely to be able to explain how those things are meant to be implemented |
| 23:41.01 | alterego | Basically a whole section of hildon-desktop is missing. |
| 23:41.06 | alterego | I can't find a single symbol .. |
| 23:41.06 | timelyx | #define glib very(evil) |
| 23:41.10 | derf | FUBMLE! |
| 23:41.19 | derf | Err, wrong channel. |
| 23:41.29 | tko | my initial guess is that you're just doing it wrong :) |
| 23:41.31 | timelyx | <google> did you mean Fumble? |
| 23:41.40 | alterego | Yeah, I'd half agree. |
| 23:41.44 | tko | but since I don't know anything about the details, I'm not claiming that |
| 23:41.51 | alterego | But I've search _every_ shared object on my system for these symbols .. |
| 23:42.00 | timelyx | tko: you're not adventurous enough :) |
| 23:42.09 | tko | alterego: did you look at the python loader? |
| 23:42.10 | alterego | I've built the latest svn release of hildon-desktop too. |
| 23:42.18 | alterego | The loader isn't the problem. |
| 23:42.28 | alterego | I'm either building it wrong. Or I'm right. |
| 23:42.42 | derf | My wireless connection has been lagging pretty badly, so stuff shows up several seconds after I type it, which usually includes hitting Enter. |
| 23:42.49 | alterego | Is the python loader even available for download? |
| 23:42.55 | alterego | I've not seen it, just the source code. |
| 23:43.09 | *** join/#maemo Atarii (n=Atarii@82-46-182-49.cable.ubr02.perr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:44.34 | tko | pyphantom maybe |
| 23:45.43 | K`zan_800 | 686M by wireless goes on for a while. |
| 23:49.34 | K`zan_800 | Wish I knew where that was downloading to just to be sure it is really doing something. |
| 23:50.06 | alterego | tko, the symbols are in the intermediate output object file for the build. But I've _literally_ search every .so in the build and can't find the symbol in them. |
| 23:50.14 | alterego | Anyone have any ideas how this could happen? |
| 23:50.25 | alterego | How does a chunk of library go missing :( |
| 23:51.13 | derf | Optimizing linker? |
| 23:51.43 | alterego | Oh .. This is interesting. |
| 23:52.03 | derf | Symbol visibility specifications? |
| 23:52.16 | *** join/#maemo lsobral_ (n=sobral@200.184.118.132) |
| 23:52.39 | alterego | GLOBAL DEFAULT :/ |
| 23:52.58 | kaltsi | someone has defined a function but not implemented it and no-one happens to use it.. happens all the time |
| 23:53.23 | alterego | It's a get_type function generated by G_DEFINE_TYPE |
| 23:53.47 | alterego | I's a shared library for god sake. Of course the function isn't going to be used. |
| 23:54.02 | kaltsi | dunno what I'm talking about anyways, didn't ready anything :) |
| 23:55.07 | kaltsi | I mean if no-one has used it ever then no-one has come across this problem and that's how it could have slipped through the rigorous 24/7 automatic testing |
| 23:55.25 | alterego | Interesting .. It's also in an executable called 'hildon-desktop' |
| 23:57.24 | tko | alterego: I told you that like an hour ago |
| 23:58.02 | alterego | What did you tell me an hour ago |
| 23:58.03 | alterego | ? |
| 23:58.14 | *** join/#maemo fr01 (n=fr@220-228.dsl8.newtelsolutions.net) |
| 23:58.26 | tko | that the function is in executable |
| 23:58.39 | alterego | Oh |
| 23:59.01 | alterego | Wait, I thought you were saying it was in _my_ executable. |
| 23:59.08 | alterego | Are you talking about the UND? |
| 23:59.18 | alterego | Or the _real_ function location? |
| 23:59.47 | tko | the real one, the one declared in the URL I pasted |
