| 00:00.05 | zerojay | Shit.. don't remember his name. |
| 00:00.22 | zerojay | But there was a bug filed by some guy in Japan about the frequencies. |
| 00:00.51 | pc_speaker | N800 is steampunk for Japan :) |
| 00:00.57 | |R | haha |
| 00:01.20 | procto | so, it looks like like to get a headset profile going on the n800 |
| 00:01.26 | pc_speaker | And they laugh on iPhone and N95 :) |
| 00:01.27 | pupnik | i dunno, sharp hasn't brought out anything cooler |
| 00:01.28 | procto | I'm going to have to purchase the Jabra A210 |
| 00:01.36 | zerojay | timeless: #2249 |
| 00:01.36 | procto | plug that into a 2.5mm->3mm adapter |
| 00:01.41 | procto | which is plugged into the n800 |
| 00:01.54 | pupnik | pc_speaker: ok, what does japan have that's better than n800 for mobile linux? |
| 00:01.54 | procto | and then use my bluetooth headset and pair to that |
| 00:02.08 | derf | I don't know, they seemed to like my N800 when I was in Japan. |
| 00:02.16 | pc_speaker | Sony UX :) |
| 00:03.01 | _|Nix|_ | Wow! It wouldn't let me order an OLPC from my Finnish IP ... even though the shipping address was in Canada ... |
| 00:03.13 | zerojay | Heh. |
| 00:03.27 | _|Nix|_ | I had to run it through vnc ... |
| 00:03.33 | lardman|back | praise be to ASMFLAGS |
| 00:03.33 | pc_speaker | I wonder why it is limited? |
| 00:03.43 | timeless | why what is limited? |
| 00:03.50 | pupnik | 2699 euro?!?! |
| 00:03.50 | zerojay | I wonder the same thing about Rhapsody. |
| 00:03.52 | timeless | each locale added costs a lot of money |
| 00:03.53 | pc_speaker | OLPC sales... |
| 00:03.55 | _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: Well, it clearly says US & Canada only ... |
| 00:04.04 | pc_speaker | But WHY? :) |
| 00:04.09 | timeless | rhapsody is a limitation by real, not nokia |
| 00:04.13 | zerojay | Let's put it on all our internationally sold tablets (not just those with wifi only for channels 1-11). |
| 00:04.17 | _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: ... but the system should be smart enough to realize that my parameters lie within those bounds ... |
| 00:04.20 | zerojay | timeless: Yeah, I know. |
| 00:04.21 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.22 | |R | oops |
| 00:04.27 | _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: My IP shoulw be irrelevant. |
| 00:04.42 | zerojay | timeless: Just sucks for international users that got a taste of it and liked it only to find out they can't pay for it. |
| 00:05.06 | pc_speaker | OLPC is an interesting piece of technology. |
| 00:05.06 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 00:05.12 | zerojay | I suppose you could always just pay though a proxy. |
| 00:05.20 | timeless | zerojay: hey, i used rhapsody |
| 00:05.24 | timeless | it's a great service |
| 00:05.28 | czr | bug report a day keeps another release away. |
| 00:05.39 | zerojay | timeless: Yeah, I liked it too... but when you can't pay for it... :) |
| 00:05.55 | timeless | nokia's offering me a trial of their service |
| 00:06.04 | pc_speaker | I like Real support in N800, I can watch and listem Berkeley lectures on it :) |
| 00:06.07 | timeless | it's not even worth trying though |
| 00:06.08 | zerojay | I'd pay for it except I'd have to use an open proxy... and honestly, who wants to send credit card details through those? |
| 00:06.15 | zerojay | timeless: Ovi? |
| 00:06.15 | lopz | hola |
| 00:06.19 | timeless | no |
| 00:06.32 | timeless | http://musicstore.nokia.com/ |
| 00:06.36 | zerojay | Ah, okay. |
| 00:06.40 | timeless | which is a UK only service :) |
| 00:06.45 | zerojay | timeless: Is that coming to the tablets? |
| 00:06.54 | timeless | doubtful |
| 00:07.09 | timeless | they're giving us a phone w/ logging for 3 months |
| 00:07.09 | zerojay | Oh, okay. |
| 00:07.13 | timeless | so they log everything we do |
| 00:07.22 | pc_speaker | Nokia Music. Your music. Your way. |
| 00:07.26 | timeless | in exchange, i get a decent bt gps |
| 00:07.27 | pc_speaker | N800? No way! |
| 00:07.29 | zerojay | To see what they can approve on and so on.. focus group. |
| 00:07.38 | timeless | pc_speaker: iirc no mac or linux either |
| 00:07.47 | timeless | zerojay: maybe |
| 00:08.01 | timeless | they don't seem to have any good way for me to give thousands of bug reports |
| 00:08.14 | zerojay | Thousands.. haha. |
| 00:08.16 | timeless | the group is probably much larger than their normal groups |
| 00:08.24 | daniels | rhapsody is pretty rubbish as far as i'm concerned, the selection is crap, and drm is a dealbreaker |
| 00:08.24 | timeless | zerojay: consider... |
| 00:08.26 | pc_speaker | thousands sound scary :) |
| 00:08.34 | daniels | i'd much prefer to throw my money at bleep |
| 00:09.39 | _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... I had forgotten how sweet Xvnc is ... |
| 00:09.52 | timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?&y_axis_field=product&query_format=report-table&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap |
| 00:09.56 | zerojay | I'm screwing around with mp3tunes.. not sure if Rhapsody or mp3tunes would help me much because most of the time I'm at wifi, my music is already with me (at home or at work). |
| 00:10.03 | timeless | to be fair, that's over closer to 8 years |
| 00:10.06 | timeless | and i only have 3 months |
| 00:10.11 | zerojay | Hehehe. |
| 00:10.16 | timeless | but there are at least 10 products in this stupid phone |
| 00:10.30 | timeless | and i'm fairly certain i could find at least 10, probably closer to 100 bugs per app |
| 00:10.38 | zerojay | My company's bugzilla's at 15k.. and I think I own about 2k of it. |
| 00:10.41 | *** part/#maemo mzlplx (n=user@12-202-30-153.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:10.51 | zerojay | And I haven't filed a bug in over 8 months. |
| 00:10.55 | timeless | heh |
| 00:11.03 | pc_speaker | My bugzilla is biggers than yours! |
| 00:11.04 | timeless | i file in spurts |
| 00:11.08 | pc_speaker | :) |
| 00:11.19 | timeless | pc_speaker: that's a fun one |
| 00:11.29 | timeless | at this point, the group w/ the best chance, afaict is sun |
| 00:11.41 | timeless | if they export a significant portion of their bugtracker, they win |
| 00:11.58 | derf | lardman|back: I wish I had more time to help with Vorbis. |
| 00:12.03 | derf | How far did you get? |
| 00:12.05 | pc_speaker | Extreme programming is when no bugs are fixed. |
| 00:12.30 | zerojay | It's amazing how many crappy proprietary custom bug databases there are out there. |
| 00:12.32 | timeless | but the sun people objected to zarro boogs |
| 00:12.45 | timeless | they were afraid their customers wouldn't get it |
| 00:13.01 | zerojay | timeless: We changed that too because not most people using ours aren't native english speakers and wouldn't understand. |
| 00:13.08 | zerojay | Quips off also. |
| 00:13.24 | timeless | yeah, i told them to at least moderate quips and probably set quips to off by default |
| 00:13.37 | timeless | zerojay: you still owe me a list of customizations :) |
| 00:13.46 | zerojay | Oooh.. right. |
| 00:13.48 | zerojay | Forgot about that. |
| 00:14.02 | timeless | i really need to make some sort of survey form system |
| 00:14.06 | zerojay | The main thing that's customized is the main buglist. |
| 00:14.13 | timeless | preferably in some way that people can run a script and get the answers |
| 00:14.20 | zerojay | I like ours so much more than the standard bugzilla look. |
| 00:14.26 | timeless | then review the answers to verify there's nothing confidential |
| 00:14.26 | timeless | and then submit them |
| 00:14.27 | zerojay | Let me see if I've got a picture somewhere. |
| 00:15.05 | timeless | i need to try to find a query that looks for people who have filed bugs in >X products |
| 00:15.12 | timeless | db48x? :) |
| 00:15.52 | pc_speaker | And then kill all of them? :) |
| 00:16.11 | timeless | for most X, i think i'm in the set |
| 00:16.17 | timeless | since i've filed bugs in 25 (?) |
| 00:16.43 | lardman|back | drat, I've stumbled back upon an old error I'd forgotten about |
| 00:16.46 | lardman|back | http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2007-February/000269.html |
| 00:17.01 | db48x | timeless: I don't think that's possible with the query ui |
| 00:17.04 | lopz | brb |
| 00:17.18 | db48x | wouldn't be difficult with sql, of course |
| 00:17.36 | timeless | kinda obscure thing to want to do, of course |
| 00:17.46 | pc_speaker | We need the Black Team for testing... |
| 00:17.57 | timeless | ? |
| 00:18.02 | lardman|back | night night chaps |
| 00:18.12 | timeless | i'd settle for a team that actually makes sure things like the vkb work |
| 00:18.21 | pc_speaker | "Finding the last bug was hard, but some testers were better than others. The company formed a group of these particular talented testers and gave them the charter to do final testing on critical software before it was sent to the customers. Thus was born the legendary Black Team." |
| 00:18.25 | pc_speaker | http://a.mongers.org/clueful/20020402-peopleware-blackteam |
| 00:18.54 | db48x | find test | perl -le 'print foreach grep { $_ ne "" } map { chomp; split "/"; $d = join "/", @_[0..$#_-2]; $f = $_[-1]; $_ if (-f "$d/$f") } <>;' |
| 00:19.06 | db48x | oh, wrong window |
| 00:19.16 | pc_speaker | Wow online sex! :) |
| 00:19.21 | timeless | > For a while, the company put its efforts into training the customers to make them more tolerant of bugs. |
| 00:19.37 | pc_speaker | That is how unixoids make love... |
| 00:19.55 | pc_speaker | find test | perl -le 'print foreach grep { $_ ne "" } map { chomp; split "/"; $d = join "/", @_[0..$#_-2]; $f = $_[-1]; $_ if (-f "$d/$f") } <>;' |
| 00:19.59 | zerojay | timeless: Maemo's bugzilla is what... 2.20? |
| 00:20.01 | db48x | hah, tolerant of bugs |
| 00:20.23 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2265&ctype=xml |
| 00:20.28 | timeless | <bugzilla version="2.22.1-debian2" urlbase="https://bugs.maemo.org/" maintainer="bugzilla@maemo.org" exporter="timeless@gmail.com"> |
| 00:21.45 | timeless | (there are other ways to ask bugzilla, but that is one you might not know about) |
| 00:22.31 | pc_speaker | In Soviet Russia Bugzilla asks for you :) |
| 00:22.36 | db48x | bitten by another debianism? |
| 00:22.40 | timeless | yes |
| 00:22.52 | timeless | hrm |
| 00:22.58 | timeless | did debian fix bookmarks.html |
| 00:23.11 | daniels | well, they've presumably made enough modifications and applied enough patches such that 2.22.1-debian2 is just as compatible with 2.22.1 as 2.22.0 |
| 00:23.33 | timeless | it should say <!DOCTYPE NETSCAPE-Bookmark-file-1-debian> |
| 00:23.51 | zerojay | i think we're on 2.22.0 at work. Pushing to jump to 3. |
| 00:24.07 | db48x | timeless: heh |
| 00:24.20 | db48x | yea, I've been trying to get ours upgraded too |
| 00:24.28 | timeless | daniels: do you usually change file formats when you fork? |
| 00:24.37 | timeless | i mean, if you took libpng |
| 00:24.42 | timeless | and maid libdpng |
| 00:24.48 | db48x | haha |
| 00:24.48 | daniels | timeless: do you usually change file formats in a patch revision? :) |
| 00:24.50 | timeless | with the primary change being branding |
| 00:24.53 | db48x | I could see debian doing that |
| 00:25.05 | timeless | db48x: clearly, i *do* see debian doing that |
| 00:25.09 | db48x | yea |
| 00:25.21 | db48x | what did they change in bookmarks.html, exactly? |
| 00:25.29 | timeless | db48x: hopefully nothing |
| 00:25.34 | pc_speaker | They are trying to get Ubuntu behind :) |
| 00:25.36 | timeless | but functionally what they did to bugzilla is equivalent |
| 00:25.45 | db48x | ah, I see |
| 00:26.00 | daniels | timeless: my point is that if 2.22.0 and 2.22.1 are incompatible, you're doing something wrong anyway. so, either your version field is bonghits and you need to sort it out by actually using a proper format field and not the version, or your file format strategy is bonghits and you need to sort it out. |
| 00:26.02 | timeless | and had it been <!DOCTYPE FIREFOX-Bookmark-file-2> |
| 00:26.08 | timeless | what would they have done? |
| 00:28.05 | timeless | i'm still getting lotto spam @gmail |
| 00:28.31 | pc_speaker | Is it new context spam? :) |
| 00:28.46 | timeless | zeenix: it's only 2.30am |
| 00:28.56 | pc_speaker | Same here :) |
| 00:29.25 | pc_speaker | Sleeping is overrated. |
| 00:29.29 | *** join/#maemo scruggs (n=chris@72-161-114-218.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 00:29.43 | pc_speaker | Sunday is the day for it :) |
| 00:29.53 | timeless | ok, daniels/zeenix/someone |
| 00:29.57 | timeless | i need a sanity check |
| 00:30.09 | timeless | this code has some defines, is it unreasonable for me to paste them? |
| 00:30.10 | daniels | shit, is it 2:30am? |
| 00:30.18 | timeless | yes |
| 00:30.57 | daniels | timeless: what sort of defines? |
| 00:31.08 | svu | daniels, hi:) |
| 00:31.14 | daniels | svu: evening :) |
| 00:31.41 | *** join/#maemo jott (n=j@unaffiliated/jott) |
| 00:32.52 | shacka1 | whoa |
| 00:32.59 | shacka1 | android wins |
| 00:33.03 | shacka1 | hands down :( |
| 00:34.14 | pc_speaker | Very interesting time for mobile development... Androing and iPhone SDK in february... |
| 00:34.29 | pc_speaker | Will join Windows Mobile and Symbian... |
| 00:34.40 | pc_speaker | And RIP Palm. |
| 00:34.54 | pc_speaker | You was good thing before... |
| 00:34.58 | shacka1 | I just found some palm code in the sdk btw :) |
| 00:35.32 | pc_speaker | Hope it's not unicode support :) |
| 00:35.33 | *** join/#maemo lopz (n=gentoo-d@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 00:36.03 | lopz | re |
| 00:36.04 | shacka1 | nope, it's the IPC mechanism they bought from BeOS but never put into production (and it was a real shame) |
| 00:36.18 | pc_speaker | Built in media playes doesn't display russian mp3 tags properly... |
| 00:36.25 | pc_speaker | And Kanola too... |
| 00:36.36 | pc_speaker | This is annoying. |
| 00:37.15 | pc_speaker | Anyone has the solution? |
| 00:39.31 | pc_speaker | BeOS... They did a nice try. |
| 00:39.32 | *** join/#maemo hircus (n=michel@dhcp-cs-244-159.cs.indiana.edu) |
| 00:39.48 | pc_speaker | BeBox was fun computer. |
| 00:41.14 | pc_speaker | Anyone knows where are the roots of Nokia tablets? |
| 00:41.25 | timeless | eh? |
| 00:41.26 | pc_speaker | Whose idea it was? |
| 00:41.27 | deejoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.29 | deejoe | ;-) |
| 00:41.34 | timeless | not i :) |
| 00:41.47 | deejoe | hold on |
| 00:41.57 | pc_speaker | Nokia had some shame based on s90 whick looked like tablet... |
| 00:42.15 | timeless | the 770 ui specs are derived from s90 |
| 00:42.20 | pc_speaker | 770 predecessor :) |
| 00:42.31 | timeless | but if you're asking whose idea it was... that's different than where the bad ideas came from :) |
| 00:42.32 | svu | is s80 dead completely? |
| 00:42.39 | pc_speaker | s90 is dead now... |
| 00:42.40 | svu | it was promising... |
| 00:42.41 | timeless | not quite dead yet, afaiu |
| 00:42.43 | pc_speaker | And s80 too... |
| 00:42.55 | timeless | 9300is still ship |
| 00:43.01 | procto | I wonder who hard it is to have to a symbian emulator running on the n800? |
| 00:43.13 | deejoe | oh, not that kind of root |
| 00:43.13 | procto | there's some s60 software that would be nice to have on the n800 |
| 00:43.20 | timeless | wht do you mean emulator? |
| 00:43.25 | timeless | wine like? |
| 00:43.30 | pc_speaker | It will ruin nokia business :) |
| 00:43.32 | svu | timeless, "still ships" = "yesterday". "dead" = "no future models" |
| 00:43.42 | procto | I wasn't being specific on purpose :> |
| 00:43.49 | timeless | because there isn't enough cpu power to do qemu style... |
| 00:43.57 | procto | I meant "whatever might work to have s60 apps run on IT devices" |
| 00:44.05 | timeless | "java" |
| 00:44.11 | pc_speaker | Cobol :) |
| 00:44.23 | procto | are they mostly java? |
| 00:44.28 | timeless | a sizable portion of s60 apps are java |
| 00:44.29 | pc_speaker | C++ |
| 00:44.37 | timeless | so get java, and you can have them |
| 00:44.45 | pc_speaker | Are you sure? |
| 00:44.46 | procto | that's another thing the n800 needs :> |
| 00:44.50 | timeless | writing a symbian portability layer would be more painful |
| 00:44.58 | pc_speaker | I thought s60 is all about C++... |
| 00:45.05 | procto | I mean, heck, the cpu is supposed to have java optimizations and stuff |
| 00:45.12 | timeless | i just installed a couple of java apps on my brand new n81 8gb |
| 00:45.25 | czr | procto, there's no support for the 'java optimizations and stuff' in maemo |
| 00:45.30 | pc_speaker | Slow as hell? |
| 00:45.36 | procto | czr: I know |
| 00:45.38 | czr | it's not entirely unproblematic too |
| 00:45.41 | czr | ah, ok |
| 00:45.44 | procto | :> |
| 00:45.48 | procto | I just wish that wasn't the case |
| 00:46.22 | timeless | daniels: so um... how is one supposed to "officially" build the kernel? |
| 00:46.30 | timeless | it's not part of the normal build infrastructure |
| 00:46.37 | timeless | which means my primary xref doesn't have it |
| 00:47.19 | daniels | timeless: git clone git://ok/osso/git/linux-mumble, then make nokia_2420_defconfig |
| 00:47.25 | daniels | replace mumble with a word ending in e |
| 00:47.32 | czr | evil |
| 00:47.41 | daniels | czr: _ending_ |
| 00:47.41 | timeless | i have that in an xref |
| 00:47.47 | czr | evile |
| 00:47.51 | daniels | timeless: right, then just make nokia_2420_defconfig && make, to build it |
| 00:47.52 | czr | evil and vile combined. |
| 00:48.05 | timeless | czr: vile ends in e, evil doesn't |
| 00:48.10 | pc_speaker | Don't be eval() |
| 00:48.20 | czr | should get some sleep though. |
| 00:48.29 | czr | timeless, I'll bug you with browser bugs then I guess |
| 00:48.36 | czr | getting a 810 tomorrow methinks |
| 00:48.41 | hircus | procto: there's a Newton emulator, though |
| 00:48.51 | hircus | czr: tomorrow? |
| 00:48.52 | _Monkey | tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... |
| 00:48.55 | czr | hircus, yes. |
| 00:49.06 | hircus | when did it come out? |
| 00:49.09 | timeless | _monkey forget tomorrow |
| 00:49.09 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot tomorrow |
| 00:49.16 | timeless | _monkey tomorrow is <reply> |
| 00:49.17 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 00:49.17 | czr | afaik it didn't hircus. |
| 00:49.36 | hircus | ah. developer discount? I thought you guys get it at the same time |
| 00:49.48 | hircus | or.. you're a Nokia employee |
| 00:49.51 | procto | hircus: I saw that |
| 00:49.52 | czr | I don't qualify for dev discount. |
| 00:50.13 | svu | hircus, the promo codes are already broadcasted. so it is only matter of availability in the web shops:) |
| 00:50.47 | timeless | broadcasted? |
| 00:51.01 | timeless | drivers/media/radio/ |
| 00:51.09 | svu | well, sent to the respective developers:) |
| 00:51.10 | hircus | timeless: emailed, actually |
| 00:51.27 | timeless | that's different |
| 00:51.31 | hircus | svu: yup. the Maemo SDK release announcement said the devices are being sent to distribution channels |
| 00:51.46 | hircus | would love to know exactly when, though. this friday? next week? |
| 00:51.55 | svu | hircus, so, checking nokia site every 15 mins;) |
| 00:51.55 | hircus | hopefully before the Thanksgiving break |
| 00:52.18 | hircus | svu: yeah, that might work. threaten them with a Slashdot-esque DDOS if they don't announce a date :) |
| 00:52.28 | svu | hircus, :)) precisely |
| 00:52.37 | timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=TEA5761_TNCTRL_BLIM&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 00:52.51 | timeless | is it me, or do not all drivers agree on the value for that ? |
| 00:52.51 | czr | i'd expect nokia.com is well prepared against such things |
| 00:53.40 | czr | timeless, either a byte offset or endianess problem? |
| 00:53.44 | elb | yeah, I'm hoping to get my 810 before I hare off to Siberia |
| 00:53.46 | hircus | timeless: maybe the lower 4 bits don't matter |
| 00:53.49 | timeless | czr: did nokia.com/press ever fix its stupid rss? |
| 00:53.53 | elb | ideally, in time to get everything working before I go |
| 00:54.06 | timeless | czr: endianess i suppose... |
| 00:54.12 | hircus | elb: Siberia -- oil job? |
| 00:54.12 | czr | timeless, rss? don't know. my beef was with the title of rhapsody |
| 00:54.17 | elb | hircus: no, family |
| 00:54.21 | timeless | czr: they fixed that one :) |
| 00:54.22 | czr | and seriously, I don't know/care. |
| 00:54.25 | elb | (who do have oil jobs) |
| 00:54.27 | czr | ah, ok |
| 00:54.34 | timeless | http://www.nokia.com/pressrss/rss.xml |
| 00:54.41 | timeless | no longer has the test entry.... |
| 00:54.51 | czr | ah, that one. tee-hee :-) |
| 00:55.01 | hircus | elb: ah. anywhere near where they're doing the Winter Olympics -- Sochi, was it? |
| 00:55.06 | timeless | ~yes, we did that intentionally last friday~ |
| 00:55.11 | timeless | ~you did what~!~ |
| 00:55.16 | czr | heh timeless |
| 00:55.22 | czr | that's what production systems are for. |
| 00:55.26 | timeless | seriously, i called them and asked.... |
| 00:55.32 | timeless | that was pretty much what they said |
| 00:55.38 | elb | hircus: "near" is *entirely* relative in Siberia ;-) |
| 00:55.53 | czr | timeless, I've seen worse though |
| 00:55.53 | hircus | elb: very true. one day by train = near? |
| 00:56.01 | elb | though Sochi is actually in the European portion of Russia |
| 00:56.18 | elb | I'll be going just East of the Urals -- probably a full day or more by train from Sochi |
| 00:56.19 | hircus | elb: ah |
| 00:56.24 | czr | timeless, lost production capacity in one company because some idiot decided to install some reporting package on one db machine and that whole machine broke down (sw-wise) |
| 00:56.51 | czr | timeless, and they never even told anyone what they were doing and just left off for a vacation. you can imagine the surprise next monday |
| 00:57.26 | czr | it was interesting to fix the system though |
| 00:57.56 | czr | but I think now would be a very fruitful moment for me to retire for the night. |
| 00:57.57 | czr | night -> |
| 01:04.34 | daniels | if only the sources were public |
| 01:04.48 | timeless | for which? radio? |
| 01:04.56 | daniels | yeah |
| 01:04.58 | *** join/#maemo greentux_ (n=lemke@Z4db1.z.pppool.de) |
| 01:05.00 | daniels | (sarcasm) |
| 01:05.05 | daniels | (sleep) |
| 01:05.14 | timeless | from memory, certain pieces of the code were really ugly :) |
| 01:05.48 | daniels | yeesh! still are. |
| 01:06.00 | daniels | that driver was just written by the hw guys, which shows. |
| 01:06.01 | timeless | i'm not commenting on that :) |
| 01:06.17 | timeless | oh, and i'm talking about the client, not the driver |
| 01:06.22 | elb | never give an engineer a compiler ;-) |
| 01:07.39 | timeless | ,me chuckles |
| 01:08.33 | timeless | every time i look for anything radio related, i hit garage/mplayer/trunk/stream/tvi_v4l2.c |
| 01:09.39 | timeless | hrm |
| 01:09.48 | timeless | so something can be mono, stereo, or lang1 or lang2 |
| 01:09.56 | timeless | but it can't be lang1+stereo? |
| 01:11.14 | timeless | daniels; ok, um |
| 01:11.21 | timeless | unless i'm missing something, this isn't possible |
| 01:12.32 | timeless | oh heh |
| 01:12.50 | pc_speaker | Bye everyone :) |
| 01:13.07 | timeless | the first hit was "Compile tested only" |
| 01:13.24 | pc_speaker | Maybe sleep is not so bad idea... |
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| 01:22.24 | timeless | 164 div = (1000 * (frq * 4 / 16 + 700 + 225) ) >> 15; |
| 01:22.24 | timeless | 165 buffer[1] = (div >> 8) & 0x3f; |
| 01:22.25 | timeless | 166 buffer[2] = div & 0xff; |
| 01:25.51 | timeless | oh |
| 01:25.53 | timeless | that's funny |
| 01:26.10 | timeless | - Taken from maemo.org N800 kernel package. |
| 01:26.26 | timeless | what's the point of sending a patch based on what nokia published? |
| 01:27.18 | zerojay | timeless: Is that from the fm radio player? |
| 01:27.32 | daniels | timeless: to get it into the mainline kernel |
| 01:27.49 | timeless | daniels: but shouldn't whomever wrote it push it |
| 01:27.58 | daniels | yes, but he moved on |
| 01:28.06 | timeless | instead of someone saying what looks like ~i took this from a source release~ |
| 01:28.32 | daniels | he wasn't with the company anymore, and i guess no-one else picked up the slack |
| 01:29.18 | timeless | hrm |
| 01:29.24 | timeless | one more question before i go home |
| 01:29.42 | timeless | is it safe to assume the n800 doesn't have japanese regulatory approval to operate its radio in their airspace? |
| 01:30.10 | zerojay | That's possible. |
| 01:30.35 | zerojay | I would say it's safe since they never released over there, I don't think. |
| 01:30.42 | zerojay | WONTFIX. :D |
| 01:30.51 | timeless | i'm writing a detailed comment |
| 01:31.06 | timeless | but practically speaking, based on my reading, you can't do it w/ the kernel driver we shipped |
| 01:31.14 | timeless | the relevant bit doesn't seem to be twiddlable |
| 01:31.27 | timeless | afaict, the mainline code has been rewritten |
| 01:31.32 | timeless | and i can not parse it at all :) |
| 01:31.40 | timeless | (that was the earlier stuff) |
| 01:33.51 | timeless | weren't you supposed to sleep? :) |
| 01:35.16 | timeless | daniels: who owns kernel bugs? :) |
| 01:37.40 | ds3 | is the radio wired up so 'arecord' can record the radio? |
| 01:37.47 | pupnik | irc can create a zombielike state similar to playing an RPG or watching television |
| 01:38.38 | derf | I know people who IRC while playing WoW and watching TV. |
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| 01:58.41 | timeless | ok, very long comment posted to the fmradio bug |
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| 01:59.19 | ds3 | is the audio from the FM radio accessible from ALSA in anyway? |
| 01:59.29 | timeless | google? |
| 01:59.29 | _Monkey | hmmm... google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too |
| 01:59.34 | ds3 | been googling |
| 01:59.55 | ds3 | everyone says there is a FM radio... no one has commented on how it is hooked up :( |
| 02:00.05 | timeless | read the bug report i commented in |
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| 02:00.11 | timeless | it has moderately detailed bits |
| 02:00.15 | ds3 | how do I get to those? |
| 02:00.19 | timeless | google? |
| 02:00.20 | _Monkey | google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too |
| 02:00.36 | timeless | _monkey google =~ s/\/your/ |
| 02:00.36 | _Monkey | OK, timeless |
| 02:00.40 | timeless | google? |
| 02:00.40 | _Monkey | i heard google was my friend and you should make it youryour friend too |
| 02:00.51 | timeless | _monkey google =~ s/youryour/your/ |
| 02:00.52 | _Monkey | OK, timeless |
| 02:00.54 | timeless | google? |
| 02:00.54 | _Monkey | well, google is my friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 02:01.09 | timeless | _monkey literal google |
| 02:01.10 | _Monkey | timeless: google =is= _Monkey's friend and you should make it your friend too |
| 02:01.13 | timeless | good bot |
| 02:01.15 | shacka1 | timeless: it's your new shiny toy? |
| 02:01.23 | timeless | which? |
| 02:01.29 | timeless | _monkey is anything but shiny |
| 02:01.33 | timeless | and it's certainly not new |
| 02:01.42 | shacka1 | that leaves toy |
| 02:01.49 | timeless | kick toy? |
| 02:01.55 | timeless | kinda, but i can't remember how to kill it |
| 02:02.31 | l7 | http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=experiences,world24h |
| 02:02.34 | timeless | oh, heh. i just realized that _monkey's friend is google :) |
| 02:02.41 | shacka1 | maybe one day IT will remember |
| 02:02.53 | shacka1 | I don't want to be around then.. |
| 02:04.15 | zerojay | It's a upnp client, I believe. |
| 02:04.24 | zerojay | Only supports audio. |
| 02:04.32 | zerojay | Rhapsody is based upon it. |
| 02:04.38 | zerojay | (Same UI) |
| 02:07.00 | timeless | zerojay: actually, i'm more interested in this other one |
| 02:07.05 | timeless | whose name i won't mention |
| 02:07.11 | timeless | since i can't find a public reference for it :) |
| 02:07.43 | zerojay | Boo, you're no fun. :) |
| 02:07.59 | timeless | hey, i wrote a one screenful comment at around 4am |
| 02:08.13 | zerojay | Yeah, that's an accomplishment. |
| 02:08.19 | zerojay | And it made sense. |
| 02:08.25 | timeless | hopefully w/ limited numbers of typos :) |
| 02:08.32 | shacka1 | oh crap |
| 02:18.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what's in the Rhapsody 2.1 update? |
| 02:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's just the meta package, and seems to be missing the rest of its parts. |
| 02:22.40 | timeless | how much music would you expect for ~17usd? |
| 02:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | More than I get for $12.99 USD? |
| 02:23.36 | timeless | what do you get for $13? |
| 02:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | Rhapsody |
| 02:23.40 | _Monkey | Rhapsody is a limitation by real, not nokia |
| 02:23.54 | timeless | grr |
| 02:24.49 | timeless | search for the vmware image |
| 02:24.55 | timeless | good dead bot |
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| 02:25.04 | timeless | search for the vmware image |
| 02:25.14 | timeless | kick toy! |
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| 02:25.38 | timeless | _monkey forget rhapsody |
| 02:25.38 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot rhapsody |
| 02:31.14 | timeless | is $13 a month subscription? |
| 02:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, timeless. |
| 02:32.56 | timeless | so, one album for $17, or one month of happiness for $13 |
| 02:32.56 | timeless | wow |
| 02:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Albums are $10-15 around here. |
| 02:33.26 | timeless | here is UK (8GBP) |
| 02:36.45 | zerojay | timeless: AHAH! That's how you kill the thing! |
| 02:37.00 | timeless | one of a couple of ways |
| 02:37.09 | timeless | it was the first way google reminded me of |
| 02:37.25 | ds3 | google is too contaminated thesedays |
| 02:37.41 | timeless | iirc it's typically "find an infobot verb that is misconfigured/disabled" |
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| 02:44.52 | l7 | ds how is google contaminated? |
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| 03:02.49 | |R | http://research.nokia.com/people/karim_seada <- i wish they'd release something about their mesh (wireless peer-to-peer) network |
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| 03:04.55 | ds3 | l7: it is a cesspool of links to vendors hawking their goods |
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| 03:05.43 | ds3 | 80% of the time I search for something, the first 100 or so links are all: nextag, globalspec, ebay, and sites with random garbage design to match almost anything |
| 03:06.09 | ds3 | the useful searches require a long list of -'s to remove the garage |
| 03:06.11 | ds3 | garbage |
| 03:06.40 | zerojay | Maybe I search for different stuff than you do, but I think I've only had to use - maybe three times in the last year. |
| 03:06.51 | zerojay | And most of the stuff I want is on the first page. |
| 03:06.59 | ds3 | must be |
| 03:07.24 | ds3 | most of my searches are for things that I want info on, not a vendor, esp. not a vendor that just relist stuff w/o added info |
| 03:08.38 | ds3 | and to make it worse, google is intentionally doing a fuzzy match; if I said stamp, I don't want links relating to stamps or any other spellings of that. and yes, I know about the advance search features and all that |
| 03:08.53 | ds3 | but enough complaining |
| 03:09.19 | l7 | yeah, google's been making a lot of ad revenue |
| 03:09.34 | ds3 | and going down hill as far as being useful |
| 03:09.40 | |R | ds3 : i agree that as soon as you search for hardware info / review, you only end up finding crap stores and eBay :/ |
| 03:10.08 | |R | ds3 : but for the rest, as zerojay said, i usually have a hit in the top10 that suits my needs |
| 03:10.20 | ds3 | del.icio.us is another one of those big contaminators |
| 03:10.26 | |R | oh yeas |
| 03:10.29 | |R | tag festival |
| 03:10.32 | ds3 | |R: depends on how obscure what you want is |
| 03:10.36 | |R | ds3 indeed |
| 03:10.39 | penguinbait | its funny, I used to think of google as an underdog |
| 03:10.49 | ds3 | I do not need hits 20 hits that all refer to that one single link |
| 03:10.53 | |R | let's got back to altavista haha ;) |
| 03:10.54 | penguinbait | now their as big as microsoft |
| 03:11.14 | ds3 | google used to have a useful search engine that searched for what you wanted not what someones thinks you wanted |
| 03:11.19 | |R | penguinbait : not in terms of employee or mass yet, but soon :) |
| 03:12.01 | |R | oops |
| 03:20.36 | pupnik | it would be nice to have a fifo writeable /dev/sdp |
| 03:20.37 | pupnik | dsp |
| 03:21.03 | pupnik | non-blocking of course :) |
| 03:33.44 | TPC | when it comes to google, I see it like this: |
| 03:33.49 | TPC | they used to be a search engine company |
| 03:33.55 | TPC | now they're an advertising company |
| 03:36.00 | |R | yep |
| 03:37.16 | pupnik | Delivering the most useful 'advertising' ever. |
| 03:37.44 | pupnik | search engine, maps, office apps, collaborative apps etc |
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| 04:15.10 | ds3 | advertising is useful as mind alterdrugs |
| 04:15.27 | ds3 | Just say NO to ad pushers |
| 04:19.04 | |R | choose your own ads |
| 04:19.05 | |R | hehe |
| 04:19.41 | |R | I like the Steve Mann's idea of filtering reality ;) |
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| 04:41.00 | pupnik | http://transmetropolitan.org:8080/ some cool projects (very) |
| 04:48.52 | timeless | so, fwiw |
| 04:48.54 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ |
| 04:49.03 | timeless | should now have the latest chinook cross referenced |
| 04:49.40 | |R | :) |
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| 05:27.15 | Syntra | Hey guys |
| 05:27.54 | Syntra | I'm looking to see if anyone knows if the "Apple Wireless Pro Keyboard" is compatible with the N800? |
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| 05:34.54 | |R | Syntra : if it's HID it should? |
| 05:35.01 | Syntra | Theres the thing |
| 05:35.06 | Syntra | I'm not sure if its HID |
| 05:35.21 | |R | i think i saw some talking about it on internettablettalk |
| 05:35.27 | |R | check it :) |
| 05:35.49 | Syntra | Yeah, I'm searching for it right now |
| 05:36.06 | Syntra | In the topic about Apple's new keyboard someone said the old one is |
| 05:36.16 | Syntra | But I'm not sure if they meant the Wireless Pro |
| 05:36.24 | Syntra | I'd like to be 100% sure before buying |
| 05:36.39 | |R | i don't know :( |
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| 05:37.09 | cofeineSunshine | good morning |
| 05:37.20 | cofeineSunshine | cat i install maemo into handalds like hp ipaq h2200 |
| 05:37.21 | cofeineSunshine | ? |
| 05:37.24 | cofeineSunshine | *can |
| 05:38.10 | timeless | not out of some box.... |
| 05:39.18 | cofeineSunshine | but it is posible? |
| 05:39.21 | cofeineSunshine | cool! |
| 05:39.53 | timeless | well, some portion of maemo is open source |
| 05:40.01 | timeless | so if you can port whichever pieces are needed... |
| 05:40.19 | timeless | the question i'd ask is: "is it worth it?" |
| 05:40.31 | timeless | you can pick up 770s/n800s for fairly cheap |
| 05:40.34 | vegai | Syntra: don't you have a random linux box you could try that on? |
| 05:41.24 | lopz | me voy a dormir :) |
| 05:41.33 | vegai | bon nuit! |
| 05:41.33 | |R | hehe |
| 05:41.38 | |R | bonne nuit :) |
| 05:41.43 | vegai | oh, bonne. |
| 05:41.50 | |R | yeah don't ask ;) |
| 05:41.52 | cofeineSunshine | i have ipaq handheld, but familiar-os is heap of crap;/ |
| 05:42.04 | lopz | bye |
| 05:42.38 | vegai | the night is so feminine... |
| 05:42.38 | |R | hehe |
| 05:42.38 | |R | une journée... le jour ... go figure |
| 05:43.17 | Syntra | Sorry, was talking to my brother. |
| 05:43.27 | Syntra | Vegai: Yeah, why? |
| 05:43.38 | Syntra | I run Ubuntu |
| 05:43.57 | Syntra | I'd just rather like to know if it'll work before I buy it. |
| 05:49.55 | Syntra | I think wikipedia just answered my question |
| 05:50.06 | Syntra | Apparently there are only two Apple Bluetooth keyboards |
| 05:50.40 | Syntra | And since one guy said that the Apples Previous Bluetooth keyboard would work with the N800 |
| 05:51.04 | Syntra | He was therefore referring to the Apple Wireless Pro Keyboard, which I have the intent of purchasing. |
| 05:52.49 | vegai | I mean... if it works on your random linux box, it most probably works on the N800, no? |
| 05:53.23 | vegai | btw, does the N810 have hardware opengl? |
| 05:54.50 | Syntra | Vegai: I have yet to purchase it, is the thing. |
| 05:55.03 | vegai | Syntra: ohh, ok. |
| 05:55.17 | Syntra | Another confirmation: |
| 05:55.18 | Syntra | I currently use the last-gen apple BT with my n800 |
| 06:06.33 | pupnik_ | can't wait to try fceu with the N810 |
| 06:07.13 | pupnik_ | vegai: no it does not |
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| 07:03.41 | kulve | vegai: yes it still does, but no drivers, so the hw is useless. |
| 07:08.13 | vegai | kulve: that's silly. |
| 07:08.33 | vegai | are they trying? |
| 07:09.45 | kulve | Nokia hasn't made any statement about that |
| 07:13.26 | L0cutus | <Syntra> I currently use the last-gen apple BT with my n800 |
| 07:13.39 | L0cutus | have you the bug #2166 ? |
| 07:13.40 | _Monkey | Bug 2166 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166 |
| 07:29.59 | pupnik_ | http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp OpenGL benchmark on portable devices |
| 07:30.40 | vegai | can we deduce something from that? |
| 07:30.48 | vegai | does the N8xx have a similar chip? |
| 07:30.53 | vegai | as the N9x |
| 07:31.55 | pupnik_ | the dell axim has a powervr mbx but a different memory bus than omap2420 - the newer nokias are 2420 based but lower resolution |
| 07:31.58 | kulve | vegai: it's the same |
| 07:32.14 | vegai | ok, well that's promising |
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| 07:32.41 | pupnik_ | ain't nobody promising nuthin :) |
| 07:33.23 | pupnik_ | the powervr demo videos do look pretty nice |
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| 08:43.56 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:56.57 | pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/gallery/ Nokia N810 gallery (flash, music) |
| 08:57.55 | inz | "Please install flash(r) and turn on javascript" - boo |
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| 09:05.07 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 09:21.26 | bedboi | what's up on planet maemo |
| 09:21.50 | bedboi | ? |
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| 09:34.36 | Jaffa | bedboi: I guess Colin's feed has just been added or created and imported all his entries as having been created "now" |
| 09:34.57 | bedboi | lol, today i felt to be in a nightmare |
| 09:35.30 | bedboi | i just woke up, turned on my laptop as the first-as-usual-thing-to-do-in-the-morning |
| 09:36.00 | bedboi | i pointed to planet maemo, and it felt like living in the past |
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| 09:36.55 | Jaffa | Yeah, very annoying. Might've missed something interesting. |
| 09:37.22 | unique311 | hello |
| 09:37.37 | unique311 | found this on ITT |
| 09:37.39 | unique311 | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/index.html |
| 09:38.03 | unique311 | POSE isn't needed anymore.. |
| 09:38.08 | Jaffa | Yeah, I've got the tab open but not got to it yet. It sounds intriguing from the ITT description |
| 09:38.28 | unique311 | how isn't this on maemo.org |
| 09:38.53 | unique311 | 30,000+ os apps |
| 09:39.28 | bedboi | closed source application. |
| 09:41.12 | unique311 | if it takes advantage of the internet connection...i will be very happy. |
| 09:41.46 | Jaffa | It suggests it does (for HotSync, at least - and presumably others) |
| 09:41.49 | Jaffa | Anyone tried it? |
| 09:41.54 | unique311 | bout to |
| 09:42.01 | Jaffa | I never got on with Palm OS, but there's bound to be loads of apps which would be helpful. |
| 09:42.04 | unique311 | will let you know how it goes |
| 09:42.08 | Jaffa | Remember OS/2's Windows compatibility killed it. |
| 09:42.18 | Veggen | The PALM PIM-applications were always quite good. |
| 09:42.35 | Jaffa | Meh, I found them lacking after my Psion's |
| 09:42.42 | Veggen | I used my trusty old Palm V for quite a while. |
| 09:42.48 | Veggen | (eh, Vx) |
| 09:42.57 | Veggen | and Palm III before that. |
| 09:43.26 | unique311 | screen size of the applications running still suck from the look on the screenshots |
| 09:43.30 | Jaffa | unique311: take lots of photos/screenshots if it works. |
| 09:43.37 | unique311 | k |
| 09:44.18 | Jaffa | It suggests you can rotate the screen to use the space better (hopefully) |
| 09:44.37 | unique311 | they even looked out for 770 owners. |
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| 09:45.04 | Jaffa | I wonder if it's going to be a commercial app, though |
| 09:45.26 | unique311 | you need to register to download... |
| 09:45.31 | Jaffa | yeah |
| 09:45.46 | Jaffa | Not got the email, yet. |
| 09:46.28 | unique311 | check ur spam folder, maybe |
| 09:46.37 | Jaffa | Ah, got it now. |
| 09:48.12 | Jaffa | Engadget have it: http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/13/virtual-palm-os-on-your-nokia-n-series-tablet-hoozah/ |
| 09:48.31 | Jaffa | Apparently going to be free when released non-beta, too. |
| 09:48.50 | Jaffa | Looking at the whitepaper, they're positioning it as a technology demo of their software stack for ISVs, OEMs etc. |
| 09:48.55 | unique311 | engadget crashed my browser when i was looking at it. |
| 09:50.54 | milhouse | Access download page: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ |
| 09:52.06 | unique311 | milhouse, |
| 09:52.10 | unique311 | that doesn't work |
| 09:52.21 | milhouse | does for me... |
| 09:52.22 | X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Hmm massive N810 ad campaign on that page ;) 2 flash banners for N810.. |
| 09:52.25 | unique311 | you still need to provide the information in order to download |
| 09:52.36 | milhouse | ah, you mean to actually download it? |
| 09:52.40 | unique311 | yes |
| 09:53.05 | milhouse | right sorry was just providing a direct link rather than jump through numerous linked news articles :) |
| 09:53.14 | unique311 | mak |
| 09:53.20 | unique311 | ok |
| 09:53.26 | suihkulokki | hmm.. so now n800 is finally a pda when you install the palm env? :) |
| 09:53.33 | unique311 | yes |
| 09:53.39 | unique311 | well not really |
| 09:53.53 | unique311 | hopefully performance is much better than POSE |
| 09:54.06 | unique311 | if it is, i don't see why not |
| 09:54.37 | unique311 | need to fnd some free palm stuff to run |
| 09:54.54 | milhouse | garnet vm n800 deb: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb |
| 09:55.36 | unique311 | i'm impress, and i just started it. |
| 09:55.49 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=4 allows you to get back to the planet entries before colin mulliner's :) |
| 09:55.49 | milhouse | garnet vm n770 deb: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb |
| 09:55.58 | unique311 | milhouse, that works. |
| 09:56.08 | unique311 | feed that link to monkey |
| 09:56.19 | unique311 | performance is sweet |
| 09:57.01 | unique311 | am i the only one running this right now? |
| 09:57.15 | milhouse | garnetvm? |
| 09:57.16 | _Monkey | rumour has it garnetvm is available from Access, direct deb downloads 770: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb, N800 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb and N810: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb |
| 09:57.24 | unique311 | lol |
| 09:57.26 | unique311 | nice |
| 09:58.08 | milhouse | doesn't look like it's been picked up on Palm Info Center (http://www.palminfocenter.com/) where all the Palm geeks hang out |
| 09:58.23 | milhouse | That knob Mike Caine hangs out there, no doubt he'll beat on Nokia |
| 09:58.38 | milhouse | he's still bitter over his free 770 |
| 10:00.59 | unique311 | responds much faster than POSE |
| 10:01.21 | unique311 | try to install some an app see how that goes. |
| 10:01.59 | Jaffa | unique311: need piccies. I've no device to play with until I get a couple of N810s |
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| 10:02.12 | unique311 | k |
| 10:02.26 | unique311 | after i install the app.. |
| 10:02.30 | unique311 | i will take pics |
| 10:02.33 | Jaffa | cool |
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| 10:04.16 | pupnik_ | unique, the screenshots don't show an onscreen keyboard from the palm, does it use the hildon keyboard to type? |
| 10:04.25 | unit42 | Dammit. Left my 770 at home... |
| 10:05.16 | unique311 | hold on |
| 10:06.24 | milhouse | when it says 770 I assume ACCESS are talking about OS2006 on 770? Anyone using OS2007HE should use the n800 deb? |
| 10:06.25 | unique311 | no keyboard while using apps |
| 10:06.50 | pupnik_ | so you use the jotter pad to enter text? |
| 10:06.53 | unique311 | right now testing out memopad |
| 10:07.10 | unique311 | yes |
| 10:07.40 | unique311 | or you can bring up the palm keybaord. |
| 10:07.46 | pupnik_ | nice |
| 10:07.56 | pupnik_ | this is great news |
| 10:08.08 | rwhitby | it seems to work well on my n800 |
| 10:08.17 | unique311 | same here |
| 10:08.18 | unique311 | fast |
| 10:08.24 | unique311 | trying to install an app |
| 10:08.26 | rwhitby | you can even choose compatibility with various palmos devices (e.g. treo650 vs tungsten) |
| 10:08.34 | maddler | nice... being able to run Palm apps on an IT sounds kinda nice... |
| 10:08.36 | rwhitby | it does graffitti too :-) |
| 10:08.42 | unique311 | i will post picts whe done |
| 10:08.44 | milhouse | Does anyone think Palm and ACCESS are trying to kill each other? |
| 10:09.12 | maddler | milhouse: who knows.. Palm seems to be acting in a kinda dumb way... |
| 10:09.15 | rwhitby | now I can transfer all the stuff over from my treo650 |
| 10:09.25 | milhouse | this move by ACCESS isn't great for Palm |
| 10:09.28 | pupnik_ | whoah, pose only went up to what...? |
| 10:09.32 | maddler | announcing new devices and OS every now and then... |
| 10:09.33 | inz | milhouse, and users of OS2008 on N800 should probably use the N810-deb |
| 10:09.36 | pupnik_ | the dragonball cpus |
| 10:09.42 | maddler | and then announcing they will be delayed... |
| 10:09.43 | milhouse | I always thought the move by Palm to develop their own Linux OS was two fingers to ACCESS |
| 10:09.54 | unique311 | 4 |
| 10:09.57 | unique311 | i think pupnik_ |
| 10:09.59 | milhouse | inz: yep, sadly not for another week or two :) |
| 10:10.09 | pupnik_ | yeah 4, 4.5 something like that and this does newer palm? |
| 10:10.12 | unique311 | not even |
| 10:10.17 | unique311 | 3.5 |
| 10:10.21 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 10:10.36 | milhouse | and this (Garnet) is 5? |
| 10:11.01 | unique311 | yes |
| 10:12.09 | milhouse | wierd - it doesn't do full screen |
| 10:12.35 | milhouse | wtf is "reformat storage" in settigns? |
| 10:12.41 | unique311 | lol |
| 10:12.41 | milhouse | s/settigns/settings/ |
| 10:12.59 | unique311 | i wouldn't try that out yet. |
| 10:13.10 | inz | milhouse, I would guess it clears out any data stored by the apps |
| 10:13.27 | milhouse | apparently it's got an expiry date - 31 May 2008 |
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| 10:13.40 | milhouse | inz: you try it and let me know :) |
| 10:14.36 | milhouse | holy cow, just ran the prefs app - too wierd. might have looked better in landscape mode |
| 10:14.53 | unique311 | still beta. |
| 10:15.04 | inz | milhouse, seems to do nothing at all |
| 10:15.06 | milhouse | aye |
| 10:15.09 | milhouse | true |
| 10:15.31 | inz | oh sorry, it does |
| 10:15.32 | unique311 | staying away from anything that says format. |
| 10:16.03 | inz | It removed an event from the date book |
| 10:16.15 | inz | i.e. it removes any user data (and I guess apps too) |
| 10:16.29 | milhouse | lol, I can set the time format to 24 hours!! how sophisticated is that? :) |
| 10:16.54 | milhouse | oops, just crashed it |
| 10:17.44 | unique311 | installed an app |
| 10:17.53 | unique311 | first crash.. |
| 10:18.02 | unique311 | historic. |
| 10:18.41 | unique311 | cool |
| 10:18.49 | unique311 | i installed zuma..and its working. |
| 10:19.04 | unique311 | milhouse what are you running it on? |
| 10:21.17 | milhouse | N800 |
| 10:21.21 | milhouse | OS2007 |
| 10:21.22 | _Monkey | hmmm... OS2007 is better but needs more memory |
| 10:21.32 | Jaffa | _Monkey: forget OS2007 |
| 10:21.33 | _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot os2007 |
| 10:22.02 | milhouse | not really sure i'd ever use this though... |
| 10:22.11 | Jaffa | _Monkey: OS2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810. |
| 10:22.11 | _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. |
| 10:22.16 | milhouse | i last used a Palm over 4 years ago |
| 10:22.38 | milhouse | original slidey Tungsten |
| 10:23.05 | milhouse | This emulator might be useful for anyone migrating from Palm to Nokia I guess |
| 10:23.15 | L0cutus | mmm it doesn't show in landscape mode |
| 10:23.45 | L0cutus | at least on my n800 |
| 10:24.01 | milhouse | 320x240 would translate nicely to 800x480 with black bars top and bottom in landscape mode |
| 10:24.20 | milhouse | l0cutus - portrait only it would seem |
| 10:24.50 | L0cutus | yes |
| 10:25.21 | unit42 | Treos that are... |
| 10:25.48 | L0cutus | i think we have a (finally) good pim ? :D |
| 10:25.58 | milhouse | this vm seems to use hardly any cpu at all |
| 10:26.12 | Jaffa | ARM apps aren't emulated, according to the whitepaper |
| 10:27.00 | gla55_ | nice |
| 10:27.03 | milhouse | anyone installed any of the old 68K apps? |
| 10:27.15 | milhouse | or doesn't this vm come with the 68K emulation? |
| 10:27.38 | milhouse | i would understand if it didn't |
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| 10:31.08 | Jaffa | milhouse: according to the whitepaper, it does have a 68K emulation engine, using JIT-style recompilation techniques. |
| 10:31.20 | milhouse | nice |
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| 10:31.47 | milhouse | just looking at palmgear.com trying to find something interesting (and free) to download - good god there's a lot of tat on Palm! |
| 10:31.48 | unit42 | r0x0r |
| 10:32.03 | unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1999158588/ 1 screenshot of memopad |
| 10:32.29 | unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1998342079/in/photostream/ zuma running |
| 10:32.33 | unique311 | very fast |
| 10:32.44 | unique311 | i did a short video of zuma running. |
| 10:32.46 | Jaffa | unique311: no option to use the screen in portrait mode, or non-full screen? |
| 10:33.14 | unique311 | nothing in settings. |
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| 10:33.59 | unit42 | Most of the Palm Apps had problems running on full screen on my good old T3. |
| 10:34.18 | milhouse | so much crap software on offer... everyone is catered for! |
| 10:34.27 | unit42 | They were unable to use the bigger screen. |
| 10:34.41 | unique311 | it does the default size of palm devices |
| 10:35.00 | Jaffa | Indeed. But the pixel density on the NITs is so high, pixel doubling's pretty much going to be essential ;-/ |
| 10:35.30 | unique311 | did notice sound on zuma worked when i first ran it. |
| 10:35.38 | unique311 | but for the video i got no sound. |
| 10:37.28 | unique311 | it does sound. |
| 10:37.41 | unique311 | pupnik, it does games. |
| 10:37.44 | pupnik_ | i still like unique311's skins better http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/627954390/in/photostream |
| 10:37.50 | unique311 | you will see in the video... |
| 10:37.54 | unique311 | pretty damn fast |
| 10:38.14 | unique311 | can use them i think as a background. |
| 10:38.18 | unit42 | upload in progress? ;-) |
| 10:38.30 | unique311 | theirs an option under settings to change the background. |
| 10:38.35 | unique311 | yes |
| 10:38.36 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 10:39.04 | unique311 | i had antishake on so it should be ok...i think |
| 10:39.37 | pupnik_ | this should get an entry in the big blogs - thoughtfix, ITT etc |
| 10:40.39 | unit42 | Aye! |
| 10:40.46 | unique311 | pretty sure he'll blog on about it. |
| 10:40.52 | unique311 | still early over here. |
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| 10:41.10 | unique311 | 20 minutes to 6 |
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| 10:41.39 | Jaffa | Thoughtfix already has. |
| 10:41.51 | unique311 | he's good |
| 10:42.25 | Jaffa | http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/free-palmos-emulator-for-nokia-internet.html |
| 10:42.32 | Jaffa | It's just buried on pmo |
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| 10:45.43 | unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjXeTtOlWgM |
| 10:45.46 | unique311 | not the best |
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| 10:47.34 | unique311 | i have that game on my ipod video, performs same way. |
| 10:47.34 | Jaffa | Do you not have a tripod? ;-) |
| 10:48.13 | unique311 | no |
| 10:48.30 | unique311 | but i think i was shaking it worse. |
| 10:48.36 | unique311 | its a pretty good camera |
| 10:49.00 | Jaffa | yeah |
| 10:49.03 | Jaffa | cool vid, ta. |
| 10:49.51 | unique311 | i really dislike the expiration date. |
| 10:50.16 | Jaffa | Fairly standard for betas. Engadget says the real version won't cost either, so here's hoping. |
| 10:50.22 | unique311 | cool |
| 10:50.53 | unique311 | if they can take advantage of the screen on the devices..that would be a plus also |
| 10:51.04 | Jaffa | Yeah, and the N810's hardware keyboard |
| 10:51.11 | pupnik_ | wow that's pretty fast |
| 10:51.16 | unique311 | zuma |
| 10:51.27 | unique311 | surprise how fast the game ran |
| 10:51.40 | unique311 | pose had lag. |
| 10:52.31 | unique311 | tested out a paint program on pose, that wasn't playing nice at all. |
| 10:52.41 | pupnik_ | i saw the screenshot |
| 10:52.49 | pupnik_ | gotta crash here - cheers all |
| 10:52.49 | unique311 | going to try it on this vm. |
| 10:53.04 | unique311 | so far no crashes here. |
| 10:53.18 | unique311 | you testing apps pupnik_ ? |
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| 10:56.45 | pupnik_ | no too sleepy |
| 10:57.04 | unique311 | just wondering why its crashing. |
| 10:57.13 | unique311 | no crash here yet. |
| 10:57.16 | pupnik_ | oh i meant like crash into bed |
| 10:57.20 | unique311 | ok |
| 10:58.12 | pupnik_ | oh btw the guy who works on abiword said it works great on os2008 |
| 10:58.49 | pupnik_ | and this other guy is working on printing support |
| 10:58.56 | pupnik_ | lots of good things coming |
| 10:59.23 | pupnik_ | nice budweiser drawing on your flickr site |
| 11:00.19 | pupnik_ | i haven't had the patience to try using colors like that yet |
| 11:00.47 | florian | good morning |
| 11:03.30 | Jaffa | lo florian |
| 11:04.10 | unique311 | done on mtpaint pupnik_ |
| 11:04.36 | unique311 | still waiting on the dev on maemo.org to release a worth while version of faint. |
| 11:04.58 | unique311 | but i'm going to try a bunch of paint programs on garnet right now. |
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| 11:06.48 | josephus | im trying to flash a new kernel to my n800 but after the flasher sends the image the device boots up the old kernel |
| 11:06.53 | josephus | any idea why? |
| 11:07.36 | josephus | i used " flasher -f -k zImage " |
| 11:08.10 | kulve | josephus: sounds odd.. There really can't be two kernels.. |
| 11:08.22 | kulve | josephus: either the flashing fails, or you are flashing the old kernel.. |
| 11:08.53 | Jaffa | http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/access-garnet-for-maemo-first-look.html too |
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| 11:13.12 | unique311 | stable video |
| 11:13.20 | unique311 | damn his good. |
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| 11:22.23 | kpel | hi all |
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| 11:50.37 | keesj | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/wiimote-hack-is-wireless-multitouch-tv-321329.php |
| 11:50.47 | keesj | pretty cool hack |
| 11:51.32 | keesj | and there are add for the n810 so I guess it is not to much off topic |
| 11:52.23 | keesj | it feels like we have not talked about real programming for a long time on irc |
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| 11:59.24 | Gubbe | I have a non-graphical app that needs to run a GMainLoop to poll for ConIcConnection signals, which it now does. However, it also needs to perform something else every n seconds. Before the ConIcConnection thing it would just nanosleep in between iterations, but now I apparently need to set up a timer that sends signals like ConIcConnection does. I'm having trouble discovering what timers I need to use for that. |
| 11:59.42 | Gubbe | Or am I an idiot for even trying to do it this way? |
| 12:00.44 | czr | hmm. is there a prebuild ssh-server deb for 810 somewhere? |
| 12:00.49 | czr | prebuilt even |
| 12:01.00 | derf | Gubbe: g_timeout_add |
| 12:01.16 | derf | http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.14/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-timeout-add |
| 12:01.53 | Gubbe | derf: ah, timeouts! I remember those were mentioned somewhere. Thank you! |
| 12:02.11 | derf | Yer welcome. |
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| 12:26.43 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 12:40.24 | visy | I just submitted my new project to garage |
| 12:40.31 | visy | it's a port of REminiscence for Maemo |
| 12:40.41 | visy | works 100% on N800, as far as I can see |
| 12:40.47 | visy | Flashback rules :) |
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| 12:44.06 | czr | hmm. pressing left in app manager doesn't "go back" |
| 12:44.09 | czr | why not? :-) |
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| 12:48.56 | czr | hmm. is there a way to get root account enabled without bothering to set the rd-mode? |
| 12:49.18 | acydlord | you can install becomeroot |
| 12:49.48 | czr | hmm. |
| 12:49.58 | Tak | on which OS? |
| 12:50.07 | czr | 2008 |
| 12:50.28 | Tak | could use ssh in 2007... |
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| 12:50.57 | czr | well. I installed openssh-server. trying to login as root/rootme. no go. sudo gainroot on the device complains about rd-mode. |
| 12:52.00 | Khertan | os 2008 :) |
| 12:52.10 | Khertan | on the sdk ? |
| 12:52.21 | czr | no. on 810. |
| 12:52.39 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 12:52.59 | mgedmin | ssh root@localhost used to work on os2007 |
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| 12:53.18 | czr | will try that then (need to download ssh client first though :-) |
| 12:53.39 | suihkulokki | czr: enable rd-mode with flasher |
| 12:54.22 | czr | suihkulokki, there is no other way? |
| 12:54.28 | czr | (I'm feeling extra lazy) |
| 12:54.34 | kulve | czr: ssh root@localhost is the way I'm using it on n800 |
| 12:55.05 | czr | kulve, rootme as pw? |
| 12:55.16 | kulve | czr: yes, until I changed it ;) |
| 12:55.24 | czr | well. it doesn't work. |
| 12:55.38 | kulve | what does it say? |
| 12:55.52 | czr | heh. noticed something funny too. when entering password for ssh, the predictive dictionary wants to suggest all kinds of stuff beginning with rootme.. |
| 12:55.55 | czr | kulve, permission denied |
| 12:56.01 | Tak | maybe they prechanged the root passwd on yours to p$&vx909&&#nn#!!%6 |
| 12:56.04 | czr | (please try again) |
| 12:56.15 | czr | maybe so. |
| 12:56.19 | kulve | czr: that sounds odd, but I don't have n810, so I really don't know.. |
| 12:56.38 | czr | suihkulokki, can I use stock flasher for the r&d mode thingy? |
| 12:56.44 | czr | stock=n800 one. |
| 12:57.07 | kulve | czr: at least for n800 you can |
| 12:57.19 | kulve | stock being the linux flasher tool |
| 13:01.13 | czr | I know I can use the n800 flasher with n800. that wasn't the question :-) |
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| 13:04.05 | kulve | try it out |
| 13:04.06 | kulve | :) |
| 13:04.29 | kulve | I would guess that it would deny doing anything, if it can't. But that's just a guess ;) |
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| 13:09.46 | Jaffa | Yay, Mobymemory have delivered my 6GB microSDHC card. |
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| 13:12.04 | rothiel | Hi :) |
| 13:12.09 | czr | kulve, the n800 flasher (3.0) doesn't recognize the device |
| 13:12.20 | czr | 'Suitable USB device not found, waiting' |
| 13:13.14 | Jaffa | Blimey, microSD is *tiny* |
| 13:14.56 | kulve | czr: ok :/ |
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| 13:17.42 | jjo | czr: works for me |
| 13:18.03 | jjo | I haven't even seen a newer version of the flasher |
| 13:18.04 | czr | jjo, k, will recheck. |
| 13:19.50 | czr | bleh. I'm such a monkey. forgot that the flasher needs the device to boot up properly. |
| 13:20.00 | czr | somehow expected it to work when the device was already on. |
| 13:20.11 | czr | jjo, thanks. |
| 13:20.47 | suihkulokki | well flasher could be smart enough to say "hey, looks like there is a powered-on device connected already" |
| 13:21.10 | tsavola | could it? |
| 13:22.49 | jumpula | it could have a paper clip telling all these things :) |
| 13:23.12 | suihkulokki | root me babe, root me harder |
| 13:23.39 | jumpula | "it looks like you're about to violate the internal memory of the device. are you aware that you will void your warranty?" |
| 13:24.02 | czr | thanks tsavola and long time. |
| 13:24.13 | tsavola | "you're about to write to ram. are you sure you want to write to the ram?" |
| 13:24.53 | zeenix | tsavola: "it may cause severe side-effects" |
| 13:25.00 | tsavola | zeenix: "timo" is taken on freenode, and i use the silly old nick on ircnet only because i've done so for over a decade |
| 13:25.03 | czr | zeenix, headache? |
| 13:25.15 | jumpula | "you're about to ram your ram. you really want to do this?" |
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| 13:25.36 | tsavola | czr: yes |
| 13:26.12 | czr | "you have a ram in your device, do you wish to report it to Nokia? No information will be sent!" |
| 13:26.17 | dpb_ | spankfest? |
| 13:26.34 | tsavola | october went already |
| 13:26.52 | czr | tsavola, good friends spank each other during other months as well |
| 13:27.06 | czr | whee. got root. |
| 13:27.15 | tsavola | maybe i should go for that fashionable underscore-after-my-name nick |
| 13:27.34 | timo_ | bah |
| 13:27.36 | timo_ | already taken |
| 13:27.46 | czr | hantainen timo |
| 13:27.58 | timo_ | 12765 - ei voittoa |
| 13:28.18 | czr | why not omit? |
| 13:28.44 | timo___ | it's negative |
| 13:28.51 | timo___ | omit timo |
| 13:28.56 | timo___ | makes me feel sad |
| 13:29.18 | czr | hmm. the long minus behind you doesn't? :-) |
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| 13:29.19 | timo___ | my tail is 3 chars long, you can sit on it |
| 13:29.31 | czr | indeed I can |
| 13:29.44 | czr | creature comfort |
| 13:29.46 | suihkulokki | timo, howabout the rot13 version of your nick? |
| 13:30.12 | czr | hmm. next, mental damage for the n800 |
| 13:30.57 | czr | is there any real reason why mini usb was chosen as the cable btw? |
| 13:31.25 | suihkulokki | alternatively you could have 4-char long tail and call it "my word" |
| 13:31.51 | timo___ | suihkulokki: that would defeat the purpose of having your nick based on your real name :) |
| 13:31.53 | suihkulokki | ok, I'll get me my coat -> |
| 13:32.06 | czr | suihkulokki, a shower curtain? |
| 13:32.11 | timo___ | :DD |
| 13:32.18 | jumpula | :) |
| 13:32.22 | suihkulokki | :P |
| 13:32.30 | jumpula | shower gull, actually |
| 13:32.38 | timo___ | jumpula: _coat_ |
| 13:32.54 | jumpula | i should get one? :) |
| 13:32.57 | timo___ | yep |
| 13:32.57 | czr | jumpula, sure. but a shower curtain would be the aptest coat for a shower gull, don't you think? |
| 13:33.04 | jumpula | but this is based on my real name |
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| 13:34.05 | timo___ | czr: what are you doing nowadays? |
| 13:34.21 | czr | timo___, same old. |
| 13:34.24 | jumpula | and besides. no-one else wants this nick. |
| 13:34.33 | timo___ | i do |
| 13:34.35 | jumpula | reason enough to keep it :) |
| 13:34.38 | czr | or rather same old as was back when we used to know each other :-) |
| 13:34.47 | timo___ | czr: ok |
| 13:34.53 | czr | timo___, you? |
| 13:34.57 | timo___ | czr: same old... |
| 13:34.59 | dpb_ | I bet I could sell the jumpula nick on ebay. |
| 13:35.06 | timo___ | czr: well, not so much maemo stuff though :) |
| 13:35.10 | czr | timo___, the universe moves in cycles |
| 13:35.20 | timo___ | czr: for me, it stands still |
| 13:35.29 | czr | timo___, a very small cycle for you then :-) |
| 13:35.35 | dpb_ | Ooh, the spanking again. |
| 13:35.49 | timo___ | small cycle -> high-frequency spanking |
| 13:35.58 | dpb_ | Such a gay channel.. <.< |
| 13:36.01 | jumpula | spank-a-boo |
| 13:36.06 | timo___ | dpb_: it's the best kind |
| 13:36.12 | czr | small enough cycle -> a point -> infinite frequency spanking aka the spank infinituum |
| 13:37.47 | timo___ | sorry i said anything today |
| 13:39.37 | jumpula | eternity never looks so lovely |
| 13:39.41 | czr | all this spanking business made me thirsty for coffee |
| 13:39.53 | czr | heh jumpula |
| 13:40.23 | dpb_ | Hmm.. A snack would be nice.. |
| 13:40.45 | czr | seletive negative ack |
| 13:40.49 | czr | selective even |
| 13:41.32 | czr | bleh. reflashed 2007 into the 800 by mistake |
| 13:41.40 | czr | ./flasher --undo |
| 13:42.29 | czr | ah no. Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_MR0 was slightly misleading |
| 13:43.14 | TPC | I wonder if the 2008 flash for 810 would work for 800 |
| 13:43.59 | svu | is 2008 already available? |
| 13:44.22 | czr | svu, no |
| 13:44.33 | svu | ugh. I just thought for a moment... |
| 13:44.42 | svu | (people discussing it casually...;) |
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| 13:45.21 | czr | it's all the spanking I guess. |
| 13:45.34 | jumpula | casual tuesday |
| 13:46.20 | czr | that way I could put all three in a row under one of the displays |
| 13:46.52 | dpb_ | I read: "spank" thingy on the 770 |
| 13:47.20 | czr | dpb_, that's an unofficial feature |
| 13:47.27 | czr | comes with the 2007WE |
| 13:47.39 | dpb_ | WE? |
| 13:47.40 | _Monkey | WE are making pressure, because we understand the possibilities... but if they (managers) think other ways... or have other plans... it's complicated.. |
| 13:47.52 | czr | dpb_, as alterego put it yesterday, the wanking edition (HE) |
| 13:48.05 | dpb_ | ahh, that one |
| 13:48.06 | dpb_ | :P |
| 13:52.28 | czr | hmm. I wonder if I deserve spanking for logging as root into the 800 first, then using ssh to log into the 810 as root. |
| 13:54.19 | Tak | the HE is supposed to be brought in line with 2008 |
| 13:54.43 | czr | Tak, oh. nice to know |
| 13:55.08 | czr | that'd make it simpler to support it too |
| 13:55.14 | czr | same arch, right? |
| 13:56.54 | Tak | mostly |
| 13:57.09 | czr | gcc-wise I mean |
| 13:57.14 | czr | sbox-tgt-wise. |
| 13:57.20 | Tak | targetwise, yes |
| 13:57.29 | inz | Just don't use vfp ;) |
| 13:57.30 | Tak | gccwise, it depends how fancy you get with the compiler flags |
| 13:57.44 | Tak | and don't build specifically for arm11 |
| 13:58.37 | czr | inz, vfp isn't enabled in 2008, is it? |
| 13:58.47 | czr | by default I mean |
| 14:00.55 | inz | czr, dunno, unlikely |
| 14:01.19 | czr | yup. that's what I'm thinking too. so enabling it by mistake isn't likely |
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| 14:11.23 | lopz | hola |
| 14:12.47 | felipec | hola lopz |
| 14:15.47 | lopz | hey felipec |
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| 14:43.20 | zeenix | hi mallum |
| 14:43.36 | mallum | hey zeenix |
| 14:43.37 | _Monkey | zeenix is just sore since he has trouble learning finnish ;) |
| 14:44.43 | zeenix | _Monkey: who said i am sore? |
| 14:44.44 | _Monkey | zeenix: wish i knew |
| 14:45.07 | solmumaha | it's ok, finnish is quite hard |
| 14:45.19 | timo___ | it's ok to be sore |
| 14:45.30 | dpb_ | after spanking |
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| 15:18.29 | solmumaha | Jaffa: one typo, mediasev |
| 15:22.08 | Jaffa | solmumaha: thanks. fixed. |
| 15:24.17 | rothiel | 'lut |
| 15:29.28 | lardman | robtaylor: ping |
| 15:29.38 | lardman | or anyone else who knows about Python for that matter |
| 15:30.34 | timo___ | shoot |
| 15:30.47 | lardman | python-central |
| 15:30.55 | timo___ | nevermind |
| 15:31.02 | robtaylor | lardman: pong |
| 15:31.18 | lardman | robtaylor: do you know anything about python-central vs debhelper? |
| 15:31.20 | zeenix | lardman: yeah! ask timo___ he wrote an encoder in py :) |
| 15:31.31 | robtaylor | lardman: yep, what you want to know? |
| 15:31.48 | lardman | I want to use matplotlib, it requires python-central |
| 15:31.56 | lardman | python-central conflicts with debhelper |
| 15:32.13 | czr | yay. code works. now for a short nap -> |
| 15:32.19 | lardman | can I unconflict them or do I need to do as Ed Bartosh says and change it over to use debhelper |
| 15:32.29 | robtaylor | lardman: ah, where are you getting python-central from? |
| 15:32.42 | lardman | debian sid iirc |
| 15:33.02 | robtaylor | lardman: well, its all very non-trivial. In my repo I have a complately different version of python to pymaemo that allows python-central usage |
| 15:33.04 | lardman | just grabbed the .tar.gz, .dsc * .diff as per the usual |
| 15:33.13 | lardman | hmm |
| 15:33.27 | robtaylor | lardman: but the pymaemo packaging basically requires you to completely repackage any python packages you want |
| 15:33.46 | lardman | that is bad presumably? |
| 15:33.50 | robtaylor | yup |
| 15:33.51 | lardman | mroe work anyway |
| 15:34.03 | robtaylor | however my repackaging is a lot heavier than the pymaemo packaging |
| 15:34.15 | robtaylor | and solving that problem is definitly non-trivial |
| 15:34.22 | lardman | oh, so your system also requires repackaging then, hmm |
| 15:34.43 | robtaylor | nope,mine'll allow you to rebuild sid packagedpretty much without change |
| 15:35.05 | lardman | do you have installable python packages - that I can run on the N800 and in scratchbox? |
| 15:35.10 | lardman | in your repo that is |
| 15:35.18 | robtaylor | lardman: but theproblem being,ideally python packages for maemo should just install zipped byte-compiled versions |
| 15:35.35 | robtaylor | lardman: but python-central is predicated on installing the source and byte-compiling on install |
| 15:35.45 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 15:35.50 | lardman | is the source then deleted? |
| 15:35.58 | robtaylor | lardman: nope, not on debian |
| 15:36.02 | lardman | so it's slow and bloated too |
| 15:36.21 | robtaylor | lardman: so when you upgrade python, it recompiles for the new python |
| 15:36.25 | robtaylor | aye |
| 15:36.29 | robtaylor | well, not slow |
| 15:36.31 | robtaylor | but bloated |
| 15:36.50 | lardman | slow doing the recompile I meant, or is that always done anyway? |
| 15:36.56 | robtaylor | so solving this problem involves rethinking python-central with the debian python guys |
| 15:37.09 | robtaylor | lardman: thats only done on install, doesnt take long |
| 15:37.14 | lardman | ok |
| 15:37.37 | db48x | cool: http://www.botjunkie.com/2007/10/26/n800-nokia-dog-a-tail-wagging-tablet/ |
| 15:37.54 | lopz | brb |
| 15:37.54 | robtaylor | so, yeah, the options are, usemy python packages, take space hit, or repackage for maemo |
| 15:38.20 | lardman | robtaylor: repackage after it's been compiled? Or alter the build process? |
| 15:38.40 | milhouse | Dunno if you've seen this already, youtube video of Google Android (doesn't look bad) |
| 15:38.48 | milhouse | |http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg |
| 15:40.13 | lardman | robtaylor: where do I find your packages? I'm more interested in using Python than messing about with its build process to be honest |
| 15:40.53 | robtaylor | lardman: packages.codethink.co.uk |
| 15:41.08 | robtaylor | lardman: i havn't touched them for a while, but should still work |
| 15:41.27 | lardman | thanks, I'll take a look |
| 15:41.30 | robtaylor | np |
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| 15:53.17 | zoran | timelyx, thank you; apps are available in repositories now! |
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| 15:54.32 | unique311 | good praise for the garnet vm on ITT. |
| 15:54.36 | unique311 | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/feedback.html |
| 15:54.57 | unique311 | put that link to use... |
| 15:56.19 | unique311 | let the people at access know that we need bigger screen res on this vm. |
| 15:57.51 | Jaffa | yup |
| 15:59.47 | unique311 | compatibility mode.. |
| 15:59.50 | unique311 | http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/palm/codenames.html |
| 15:59.58 | unique311 | choose app you want to run. |
| 16:00.01 | unique311 | configure |
| 16:00.05 | unique311 | custom |
| 16:00.19 | unique311 | and find the company ID and device ID from the link |
| 16:01.38 | unique311 | it only takes advantage of the internet for hotsync. |
| 16:02.00 | shackan | unique311: wow, when was this thing announced? |
| 16:02.06 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:02.13 | unique311 | early this morning |
| 16:02.19 | unique311 | still not on maemo yet |
| 16:02.37 | unique311 | check ITT for some comments on it |
| 16:02.44 | shackan | so when? :) |
| 16:03.03 | shackan | wow |
| 16:03.03 | Jaffa | unique311: where do you expect it on maemo? |
| 16:03.14 | unique311 | news? |
| 16:03.15 | shackan | too many good announces in two days |
| 16:03.32 | shackan | android, os2008, now this :D |
| 16:03.53 | sxpert-work | android appears full of java cracl |
| 16:03.56 | sxpert-work | crack even |
| 16:04.26 | unique311 | java within garnet vm |
| 16:04.49 | shackan | unique311: garnet is java? |
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| 16:05.08 | skibur | chimecs |
| 16:05.09 | Jaffa | unique311: remember it's a beta, but at least 2 articles about it on planet (admittedly buried by the Colin Mulliner blog issue) and another two on https://maemo.org/news/ |
| 16:05.18 | skibur | ls -l |
| 16:05.36 | unique311 | failed to check. was on ITT |
| 16:05.44 | unique311 | sorry bout that |
| 16:05.47 | skibur | anything new |
| 16:05.49 | skibur | ? |
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| 16:06.04 | unique311 | garnet vm skibur |
| 16:11.56 | lardman | hmm, I've still not received my email with a download link |
| 16:12.08 | unique311 | garnetos |
| 16:12.14 | unique311 | garnetvm |
| 16:12.14 | _Monkey | garnetvm is available from Access, direct deb downloads 770: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb, N800 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb and N810: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb |
| 16:12.20 | unique311 | lardman |
| 16:12.25 | lardman | lol, thanks |
| 16:13.04 | unique311 | gmail |
| 16:13.10 | unique311 | recieved it really fast |
| 16:13.29 | unique311 | shackan, http://www.palm.com/us/support/jvm/download.html |
| 16:13.32 | lardman | ah well, thanks, I thought I'd see what all the fuss is about |
| 16:13.54 | unique311 | downside i can see right now is that danm screen size. |
| 16:17.09 | lardman | why's that - because the apps are hardcoded? |
| 16:19.04 | pupnik_ | they made the 'theme' with a jotter pad below the screen instead of to the side, wasting vertical space. |
| 16:19.08 | unique311 | its a vm. and its doing the palm device screen res. which is 320x??? |
| 16:19.12 | pupnik_ | they also haven't implemented 90 degree rotation |
| 16:19.33 | pupnik_ | older palms were more like 160x160 |
| 16:19.38 | unique311 | you have to uncheck fullscreen pupnik_ |
| 16:19.49 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 16:19.51 | unique311 | and it does the portrait mode |
| 16:20.00 | pupnik_ | heh it does?? sorry |
| 16:20.01 | unique311 | but still small |
| 16:20.28 | unique311 | they are asking for feedback... |
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| 16:21.54 | unique311 | I doubt they can do anything about that screen res. doesn't it mean rewriting the 30,000+ apps they have out there? |
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| 16:22.10 | unique311 | to support a bigger screen res |
| 16:23.14 | lardman | the whitepaper says the display is done on the Linux side, so no reason why they couldn't |
| 16:24.00 | lardman | Presumably they could remove the scribble area at least |
| 16:25.13 | Jaffa | unique311: there are apps which can tell things to use the 480x320 res of a Sony PEG-UX50 |
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| 16:25.26 | Jaffa | Grafitti should be optional if you've got an N810 |
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| 16:26.07 | unique311 | you can hide the graffiti |
| 16:26.21 | unique311 | theirs a down arrow. that allows this |
| 16:32.51 | Jaffa | unique311: that requires app support, though, doesn' it? |
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| 16:33.34 | unique311 | its does. |
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| 16:44.51 | Khertan | many palm libs are missing from the wm |
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| 16:46.33 | lardman | ~lart WinXP for just losing at its icons |
| 16:46.33 | infobot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs WinXP for just losing at its icons |
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| 16:48.02 | Khertan | bye |
| 16:48.37 | Atarii | hmmm shud i download the 770 or the 800 verion of garnetvm for 2007he on 770? |
| 16:48.43 | Atarii | im guessin 800? |
| 16:49.09 | Tak | I would default to the n800 version and fall back to the 770 version if that doesn't work |
| 16:49.26 | Atarii | k thanks, ill give it a whirl |
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| 16:52.08 | milhouse | atarri: n800 |
| 17:00.22 | unique311 | hmmm, just found a gvm conf file that has a screensize set to 320x480 |
| 17:00.31 | unique311 | maybe it can be changed. |
| 17:01.00 | unique311 | looks like other roms can possibly be used. |
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| 17:16.16 | unit42 | Network Support would be nice for the Garnet VM... |
| 17:18.37 | unit42 | ...did anyone test some network apps? Network support is listed. But I can find anything in the prefs... |
| 17:19.09 | unique311 | i did...seems only for hotsync right now |
| 17:19.16 | unit42 | Ah. Ok. |
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| 17:19.39 | unique311 | i think the vm can use a different rom. |
| 17:19.47 | unique311 | have to try that out. |
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| 17:49.14 | konttori | hey, how long does the upload to maemo extras usually take? |
| 17:51.53 | Jaffa | konttori: not long |
| 17:52.07 | konttori | ahh.. I am trying to get ukmp there |
| 17:52.17 | konttori | I signed the deb with gpg. |
| 17:52.26 | konttori | I have the gpgs file and the deb file. |
| 17:52.49 | Jaffa | Ah. maemo.org seems fscked |
| 17:52.53 | konttori | I then used scp to upload both to extras/incoming/chinook |
| 17:52.57 | Jaffa | Garage commit is taking ages |
| 17:53.24 | konttori | Am I missing something? I mean, how can I know if I did it right? |
| 17:57.02 | konttori | anyway, just thought to ask as you have done it a few times Jaffa |
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| 18:33.23 | Sho_ | Does anyone know if the bug tracker is currently sending out emails at all? My account creation mail never arrived |
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| 18:34.34 | t_s_o | woa, garnet software on the tablets?! |
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| 18:49.23 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 19:17.12 | timeless | hello world |
| 19:17.19 | timeless | what color depth does maemo use? :) |
| 19:17.55 | disq | 16 bits |
| 19:20.20 | niteOwl2 | i'm trying to setup a maemo dev environment and have some questions (probably will ask them a little later) - is this the right channel for that sort of discussion? I looked and could not find a maemo-dev channel |
| 19:20.38 | Tak | yes. |
| 19:20.47 | niteOwl2 | good. Thanks. |
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| 19:31.20 | guardian | evening |
| 19:31.31 | guardian | how long does it take between garage registration and login on maemo.org ? |
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| 19:36.39 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:36.41 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:36.47 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:36.53 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:37.05 | elb | guardian: a few minutes or more |
| 19:37.12 | elb | guardian: for me, I think it was at least 15 |
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| 19:37.20 | guardian | registered this morning |
| 19:37.21 | kaltsi | it shouldn't take long but I registered to garage on Friday and the account still doesn't work in maemo.org, there must be something wrong |
| 19:37.24 | guardian | still cannot login |
| 19:37.31 | guardian | k |
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| 19:38.03 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:38.07 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 19:38.13 | TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
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| 19:39.53 | b0unc3` | is the ITOS2008 available ? |
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| 19:43.08 | Tak | why do we never have ops in channel? |
| 19:43.13 | czr | b0unc3`, no |
| 19:44.27 | czr | btw, is anyone else getting the maemo-devel mails in "random" order? |
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| 19:48.39 | sp3000 | the last 9 appear to be in order |
| 19:49.02 | czr | weird. I've been getting mine in a "random" order for a month (ever since I subbed again) |
| 19:49.16 | czr | reponses to some discussions come before the original questions, etc. |
| 19:50.09 | doc|work | Toni_is an op, he's just not opped right now |
| 19:50.24 | elb | czr: spam/virus/etc. filtering can often cause that |
| 19:50.38 | czr | elb, not on my side at least. |
| 19:51.02 | czr | although not sure whether the confusion arises in iki.fi relay smtp. just annoying. |
| 19:51.14 | czr | but they shouldn't be doing any filtering either methinks. |
| 19:53.33 | timeless | sp3000: i finished writing my next blog article :) |
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| 19:55.33 | KwisatzHaderach | I am looking for an hackable internet tablet with GSM that can be used in tractors in fields |
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| 19:58.18 | Tak | s/GSM/GPS/ ? |
| 19:59.17 | KwisatzHaderach | err. I mean something like GPRS, to use instant messaging for example |
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| 20:03.43 | kaltsi | these tablets just have wlan, or they can use a phone's gprs over bluetooth |
| 20:05.02 | b0unc3` | kaltsi: both |
| 20:05.50 | elb | I think that was a statement, not a question, in response to KwisatzHaderach's question ;-) |
| 20:05.57 | kaltsi | I think so too :) |
| 20:06.07 | b0unc3` | ops... sorry :) |
| 20:06.19 | kaltsi | heh |
| 20:06.24 | KwisatzHaderach | thank you ;) |
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| 20:17.31 | pupnik | i wonder if some non-microwave telemetry via USB would work for KwisatzHaderach |
| 20:21.37 | KwisatzHaderach | It would be for farmer workers, to write their work time on the tablet. The tablet has to query some internet servers |
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| 20:25.44 | pupnik | then they're perfect, since with a tablet paired to an existing cell phone, they aren't locked into any one service |
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| 20:27.13 | guardian | does aircrack work on the tablet ? |
| 20:28.18 | lopz | brb |
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| 20:33.19 | Jaffa | ...but it's now time to watch /Heroes/ |
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| 22:00.20 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 22:54.45 | svu | when when when when... |
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| 22:58.13 | pumpkin_ | I'm having some trouble getting maemo in scratchbox working on my ubuntu gutsy |
| 22:58.42 | pumpkin_ | when I do apt-get update inside scratchbox, I get |
| 22:58.48 | pumpkin_ | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:59.09 | pumpkin_ | along with some stuff about not being able to resolve repository.maemo.org |
| 22:59.33 | db48x | the file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-i386_Packages is missing, because it couldn't contact repository.maemo.org and so it was never created |
| 23:00.00 | db48x | 99% of the time it's because you don't have dns set up correctly |
| 23:00.06 | czr | pumpkin_, in sbox, grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 23:00.26 | czr | db48x, or to be precise, it's becase sbox setup breaks it :-) |
| 23:00.40 | db48x | czr: yea :) |
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| 23:01.02 | pumpkin_ | db48x: it says hosts: files dns |
| 23:01.02 | czr | pumpkin_, anyhow, replace the hosts like with this: hosts: files dns |
| 23:01.04 | czr | ah ok |
| 23:01.12 | czr | pumpkin_, what does /etc/resolv.conf say (in sbox) |
| 23:01.21 | pumpkin_ | hmm |
| 23:01.26 | pumpkin_ | has nameserver set to localhost :P |
| 23:01.29 | czr | ok |
| 23:01.31 | pumpkin_ | that doesn't sound right |
| 23:01.32 | pumpkin_ | lol |
| 23:01.32 | czr | install dnsmasq on the host ;-) |
| 23:01.38 | czr | then it will "magically just work" |
| 23:01.51 | czr | plus it has the benefit of working even if your host will get a different ip from dhcp |
| 23:01.56 | czr | no need to touch the resolv.conf within sbox |
| 23:02.01 | pumpkin_ | cool |
| 23:02.23 | czr | normally people modify the resolv.conf to their real dns, but it seems slightly silly when dnsmasq just fixes the whole situation |
| 23:02.34 | pumpkin_ | yeah |
| 23:02.36 | pumpkin_ | cool |
| 23:02.42 | Pio | yeah dnsmasq rocks |
| 23:02.46 | czr | btw, no need to conf dnsmasq. install will set it up with proper defaults |
| 23:02.54 | pumpkin_ | hmm |
| 23:02.56 | czr | then try doing generic ping tests within sbox to test dns |
| 23:03.01 | pumpkin_ | still can't resolve it, inside my scratchbox |
| 23:03.05 | czr | hmmh |
| 23:03.08 | pumpkin_ | and sbox doesn't have ping installed :( |
| 23:03.15 | czr | try wget http://www.google.com/ |
| 23:03.20 | czr | that will do a dns resolution as well |
| 23:03.29 | pumpkin_ | yeah |
| 23:03.31 | pumpkin_ | that works, hmm |
| 23:03.32 | pumpkin_ | odd |
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| 23:04.00 | czr | you might want to reinstall the sdk though (sbox should be ok now) |
| 23:04.14 | czr | not sure how the "automatical install scripts" deal with dns problems. probably not all too well. |
| 23:04.20 | pumpkin_ | ah |
| 23:04.22 | czr | or try running apt-get update; apt-get -f install |
| 23:04.43 | pumpkin_ | reinstalling the sdk |
| 23:05.01 | pupnik | not including ping is a very strange thing |
| 23:05.01 | czr | yell if you run into more trouble :-) |
| 23:05.06 | pumpkin_ | thanks :) |
| 23:05.08 | czr | not really :-) |
| 23:05.12 | pumpkin_ | maybe it's just not in my path |
| 23:05.17 | pupnik | sounds like a refrain from an operetta... |
| 23:05.19 | pumpkin_ | I'll take a look when I finish reinstalling it |
| 23:05.41 | czr | pumpkin_, using gutsy in couple of the test vms I have too |
| 23:06.05 | czr | other than the dns issue, no problems so far |
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| 23:07.53 | pumpkin_ | hmm |
| 23:09.14 | pumpkin_ | still not resolving repository.maemo.org :-/ |
| 23:10.21 | pumpkin_ | wget on repository.maemo.org works fine though |
| 23:10.23 | pumpkin_ | boo |
| 23:11.05 | czr | weird |
| 23:11.11 | czr | do you have http_proxy set? |
| 23:11.16 | pumpkin_ | nope |
| 23:11.21 | pumpkin_ | running it in a vm though |
| 23:11.26 | pumpkin_ | shouldn't affect it though |
| 23:11.26 | czr | shouldn't be an issue |
| 23:11.38 | pumpkin_ | hrm |
| 23:12.33 | czr | if you're on a fast link, I'd just shutdown sbox and remove the sbox packages on the host and rm -Rf /scratchbox and let the installer run again |
| 23:12.52 | pumpkin_ | sure, I am, |
| 23:13.03 | czr | you could try that. now that you have dnsmasq and all :-) |
| 23:13.05 | pumpkin_ | remove the sbox packages? |
| 23:13.22 | czr | yeah. dpkg --purge remove scratchbox* |
| 23:13.38 | czr | or apt-get --purge remove scratchbox* (the asterisk might actually work) |
| 23:13.47 | db48x | it won't |
| 23:13.51 | czr | oh |
| 23:13.59 | db48x | your shell will try to expand it as a list of filenames in the current directory |
| 23:14.13 | pumpkin_ | weird, how did this happen |
| 23:14.16 | czr | db48x, I'm assuming that cwd does not contain any names that start with that |
| 23:14.23 | pumpkin_ | it's not letting me delete it cause there's a circular link |
| 23:14.26 | czr | db48x, in that case the shell will leave the asterisk alone |
| 23:14.58 | db48x | czr: better to quote it |
| 23:15.01 | czr | pumpkin_, hmm. did you exit sbox and shut sbox down? |
| 23:15.11 | czr | db48x, sure |
| 23:15.16 | pumpkin_ | lol, I decided to really start from scratch |
| 23:15.40 | pumpkin_ | and restore from a vm snapshot from just before installing maemo and scratchbox |
| 23:15.52 | czr | that will work too. just install dnsmasq first :-) |
| 23:15.57 | pumpkin_ | yup doing that now |
| 23:16.07 | db48x | yea |
| 23:16.15 | db48x | that's what I do too |
| 23:16.21 | pumpkin_ | can I install 3.2 directly, or do I need to do 3.1 first again? |
| 23:16.38 | db48x | read the readme file |
| 23:16.40 | czr | pumpkin_, aren't you installing 4.0? |
| 23:16.44 | pumpkin_ | oh I could |
| 23:16.53 | pumpkin_ | but I was scared away by the big beta sign on it |
| 23:17.00 | czr | it's not beta anymore |
| 23:17.03 | czr | but |
| 23:17.06 | czr | IT2008 is not out yet |
| 23:17.17 | pumpkin_ | it's fine for N800 development? |
| 23:17.19 | czr | so if you plan to deploy sw on ITs, it will be interesting :-) |
| 23:17.33 | czr | pumpkin_, not yet. unless your N800 is running 2008 |
| 23:17.39 | pumpkin_ | oh |
| 23:17.42 | pumpkin_ | so I should stick with 3.2? |
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| 23:17.54 | czr | probably yes |
| 23:18.12 | czr | I don't know when 2008 will be released for N800. |
| 23:18.13 | pumpkin_ | so I have to start with 3.1 and upgrade, right? |
| 23:18.16 | czr | yes |
| 23:18.16 | pumpkin_ | ah |
| 23:18.31 | czr | after 2008 is avail for N800, you should use 4.0/chinook. |
| 23:19.08 | db48x | actually, it's kinda funny |
| 23:19.23 | db48x | scratchbox is an attempt to avoid using a virtual machine for the whole OS |
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| 23:19.37 | db48x | instead using the VM just to run the single program you're developing |
| 23:19.43 | pumpkin_ | :P |
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| 23:19.49 | db48x | and yet we all run it inside a VM because it's so annoying |
| 23:20.13 | czr | although sbox was never meant to be a vm. just a fancy chroot |
| 23:20.18 | czr | but yes :-) |
| 23:20.29 | juh0 | is the os2008 available for n800? anyone tried flash the n800 with this firmware: RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 23:20.48 | czr | juh0, where did you get that? |
| 23:21.18 | juh0 | ummm downloaded it from nokia www-site |
| 23:21.22 | czr | ah. the RX-44 is for N810 |
| 23:21.43 | czr | although hmm. you can always try to flash it :-) |
| 23:21.52 | czr | just don't blame me if it bricks the device ;-) |
| 23:24.09 | shacka1 | juh0: let us know how it goes :) |
| 23:26.13 | czr | night all -. |
| 23:26.15 | czr | -> even. |
| 23:28.47 | pumpkin_ | night :) thanks for the help |
| 23:29.01 | ds3 | Mmmm blow away xloader...yummy |
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| 23:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have a valid N810 WLAN MAC taking up space anywhere? :P |
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| 23:48.06 | pumpkin_ | boo |
| 23:48.15 | pumpkin_ | even after reinstalling the whole thing |
| 23:48.18 | pumpkin_ | it doesn't worky |
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| 23:49.09 | pupnik | nsswitch? |
| 23:49.10 | _Monkey | it has been said that nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get |
| 23:49.25 | pumpkin_ | nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf look ok |
| 23:49.54 | pumpkin_ | nah, mine says files dns too |
| 23:50.02 | pumpkin_ | oh |
| 23:50.07 | pumpkin_ | I'll go look in the host |
| 23:51.32 | pumpkin_ | sweet! |
| 23:51.33 | pumpkin_ | thanks |