| 00:00.04 | rhykin | i assume we wouldnt be able to use os07 apps, correct? |
| 00:00.13 | rhykin | theres a lot of software changes |
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| 00:00.56 | milhouse | yes, i would expect most os2007 apps to be incompatible with os2008 particularly gui apps. command line apps may still work though |
| 00:01.14 | milhouse | ^ that's just a guess on my part about command line apps :) |
| 00:01.26 | zerojay | There's a lot of porting work going on, so it might be less of a problem than we might expect. |
| 00:01.30 | zerojay | But we'll see. |
| 00:03.07 | rhykin | man |
| 00:03.14 | rhykin | so far i see no benefit to the n810 |
| 00:03.21 | rhykin | except the $200 keyboard :P |
| 00:03.39 | zerojay | The screen. |
| 00:03.51 | zerojay | Transreflective and apparently glass. |
| 00:03.52 | milhouse | GPS? |
| 00:03.52 | _Monkey | i think GPS is nice, though |
| 00:03.59 | zerojay | GPS, yeah.. that'll be nice. |
| 00:04.09 | zerojay | Especially nice once more apps are location aware. |
| 00:04.14 | milhouse | smaller? (but heavier, and better looking) |
| 00:04.31 | milhouse | did anyone find out what the n810 easter egg is/was? |
| 00:04.37 | p| | 'night all ! |
| 00:04.46 | milhouse | 'night |
| 00:04.49 | zerojay | The only things I'll miss from the N800 is the rotating camera and the two SD slots. |
| 00:05.05 | milhouse | you'll miss the rotating camera? imho it's a waste of space |
| 00:05.15 | zerojay | I used it quite a lot. |
| 00:05.16 | milhouse | two sd slots - agreed :( |
| 00:05.38 | milhouse | thought the image was mostly unusable - really poor quality, or duff software not sure which |
| 00:05.58 | zerojay | The camera was poor quality, but just having it always with me was enough reason to use it. |
| 00:06.03 | milhouse | i appeared as an orange blob, and i'm not orange |
| 00:06.44 | zerojay | milhouse: How about this orange blob? http://flickr.com/photos/zerojay/1729497759/ |
| 00:07.29 | rhykin | lol |
| 00:07.30 | milhouse | very similar! :) |
| 00:07.31 | rhykin | hat the |
| 00:07.38 | rhykin | what the* |
| 00:07.43 | zerojay | A cop on the corner near work. |
| 00:07.45 | zerojay | At about noon. |
| 00:07.52 | zerojay | Too bad he wasn't there an hour later. |
| 00:08.12 | milhouse | Was he hoping to blend in? |
| 00:08.26 | zerojay | He might have been able to stop this: http://flickr.com/photos/zerojay/1729212594/ |
| 00:09.34 | rhykin | i wonder if os2008 will support eap-tls |
| 00:09.44 | rhykin | if the certificate manager had some work :) |
| 00:10.05 | zerojay | I'm half tempted to take all the phones we have at work and just dump them on people and take pictures of them. |
| 00:10.16 | zerojay | like "help, I'm drowning in Nokiaaaaasssss!!!" |
| 00:10.34 | zerojay | Not sure if 350 phones would be enough though. |
| 00:13.14 | unique311 | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1710265 |
| 00:13.17 | unique311 | please view |
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| 00:14.47 | zerojay | hah |
| 00:16.18 | unique311 | i get those in my yahoo mail alot. |
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| 00:31.24 | ol_schoola | milhouse: you think the rotating camera could be removed and a 2.5 mm video jack be put in place of it? |
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| 00:39.52 | milhouse | i guess anything is possible... a good chance you might end up with a dead N800 though :) |
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| 00:41.21 | l7 | hmm, a 2.5mm video jack is an interesting idea... |
| 00:41.40 | l7 | how much video can you fit in a 8gb card though? |
| 00:41.45 | l7 | or even a 32gb one |
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| 00:56.05 | ol_schoola | sorry, i was afk. i want to use it with a chip camera mounted on the end of a stick as an inspection camera |
| 00:56.35 | ol_schoola | the usb port won't do host controller so i'm currently screwed |
| 00:56.52 | ol_schoola | i was going to hack apart a webcam |
| 01:02.20 | alterego | You can enable USB OTG mode. |
| 01:03.04 | alterego | As far as a 2.5m video jave. |
| 01:03.06 | alterego | ~jack. |
| 01:03.07 | infobot | A console cd-ripper written in python. URL: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/ |
| 01:03.33 | alterego | That'll never work. I'm guessing the camera is cmos .. |
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| 02:11.37 | rhykin | i wish i could play with the sdk |
| 02:11.48 | rhykin | but my main computer fried |
| 02:11.53 | rhykin | so i had to install windows on my linux box |
| 02:12.03 | rhykin | and use it as my primary :( |
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| 02:16.30 | astro76 | you could use vmware |
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| 02:34.39 | rhys | UKMP download gives a 500 internal server error from maemo.org |
| 02:36.56 | rhys | can anyone make sure it isnt just something with my network? |
| 02:37.04 | rhys | im assuming 500 error isnt my fault |
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| 03:02.49 | FMz | Hrmm.. When i try to make a video call from my n800 to a PC with Google Talk, it says that the PC side doesn't support video... |
| 03:08.43 | astro76 | I've read that it only works n800 to n800, not sure really |
| 03:15.38 | FMz | Hrmm |
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| 03:22.43 | FMz | I swear this thing was touted as being able to make n800 to PC video calls. |
| 03:23.58 | l7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.25 | FMz | n800 |
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| 03:25.35 | lord_moonraker | Greetings all |
| 03:25.51 | FMz | I bought it now so I could video chat with my girlfriend while I am in Denver |
| 03:26.05 | l7 | does it work? |
| 03:27.08 | FMz | Apparently video chat only works between 2 nSeries... and I'm sure not going to buy her one. |
| 03:27.14 | l7 | oh |
| 03:27.18 | l7 | can't you skype her? |
| 03:27.46 | FMz | Yeah, but video still doesnt work |
| 03:29.33 | l7 | hrm, is there something wrong with the n800's skype client? |
| 03:29.34 | FMz | Kinda feelin gypped on that |
| 03:29.47 | FMz | I dont believe so |
| 03:29.57 | l7 | it just doesn't do video yet? |
| 03:30.34 | FMz | Yup |
| 03:31.22 | l7 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070711-first-look-skype-for-the-nokia-n800-internet-tablet.html |
| 03:31.32 | l7 | The only thing missing from the N800 Skype client is support for video chat using the N800's built-in video camera. Perusal of the skype-ui package's dependencies on the N800 reveals that it uses the Farsight audio/video communications framework, which means that video support could potentially be added in a future update. |
| 03:33.06 | l7 | Is there anyway to have video chat between the N800 and a PC? I read |
| 03:33.06 | l7 | Nokia Internet Call Invitation (Beta) was removed with the latest firmware (not that I had any luck with that) |
| 03:33.11 | l7 | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/skype-review-on-nokia-n800.html |
| 03:33.13 | l7 | interesting |
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| 03:44.06 | lord_moonraker | skype doesnt have a video in linux till now, they just got out with a video linux version |
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| 03:48.34 | Abulafia | is there a higher cap battery that fits in the n800? |
| 03:49.34 | FMz_ | So, Skype video desktop to n800 works? |
| 03:58.35 | lord_moonraker | they havent released maemo version yet |
| 04:00.25 | lord_moonraker | http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/beta/ |
| 04:01.43 | lord_moonraker | if you are desperate for video, i think there is some version of a chat client called gizmo project that does video |
| 04:02.31 | FMz_ | I can't seem to find the right versions of Gizmo... everyone on the forum is talking about almost getting it working with Gizmo 4... but I can't find a Gizmo version 4 anywhere, all I can find is 3.1 |
| 04:03.00 | FMz_ | I'm not desperate... just a little disappointed that I can't use this in the way I rushed to get it for. |
| 04:03.45 | rhykin | astro76: what distro do you recommend |
| 04:03.47 | rhykin | rather |
| 04:03.53 | rhykin | what distro of linux does anyone recommend |
| 04:03.57 | rhykin | with the maemo sdk |
| 04:04.02 | lord_moonraker | ubuntu |
| 04:04.03 | _Monkey | it has been said that ubuntu is alright |
| 04:04.29 | lord_moonraker | i had been disappointed that video to pc's where not there |
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| 04:05.32 | lord_moonraker | but its other uses it has for me, far outweighs the lack of video in chat & jerky youtube video |
| 04:08.13 | FMz_ | What do you use it for most? |
| 04:09.53 | lord_moonraker | keeping up to date on the net, chat, maps/gps, music, watching video's using mplayer, writing notes at office during conferences, recording audio |
| 04:10.40 | lord_moonraker | and best of all hacking - (pyaxelwii.garage.maemo.org) |
| 04:11.09 | DeLeOn | hello, I'm new on this of maemo, i'm installing chinook, I got selected for the n810 device program, and I can't wait to have the n810 and merge fully into this... :D |
| 04:11.21 | FMz_ | Liking the sound of that heh |
| 04:11.27 | zerojay | You're installing Chinook? How? |
| 04:11.39 | DeLeOn | well... the SDK |
| 04:11.42 | lord_moonraker | hey cool, DeLeOn, welcome to the club! |
| 04:12.02 | lord_moonraker | are u starting on some project? |
| 04:12.44 | FMz_ | Does this thing support .bashrc exports? |
| 04:13.06 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: thanks... I hope to be here very often (hopefully helping and not doing a lot of questions) |
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| 04:14.18 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: I'm just beginning with this, so I don't know, I first need to have the N810 in my hands to see what can I do... I hope to help with some porting, I thought of porting "cheese" the "photoboot" clone for gnome |
| 04:15.00 | shackan | mm, there's a camera app already |
| 04:15.53 | itnomad | Sorry for the newbie question. If i use scp from an xterm, I can get a file from my desktop computer to my n800. pwd reveals I am in /home/user. I can't see any other folders than MyDocs, apps, and the file that I copied. How do I get the file into the Documents folder, or maybe on to mmc1? |
| 04:16.01 | DeLeOn | shackan: mmm then I'll think in another stuff hehehe... |
| 04:17.50 | lord_moonraker | hmm ya, there is one, too bad they didnt put in a 2MP camera in N810 :( |
| 04:19.05 | lord_moonraker | itnomad, the folder is MyDocs/.documents |
| 04:19.26 | lord_moonraker | or /media/mmc1 or mmc2 |
| 04:20.28 | rhykin | how can i install ubuntu on vmware |
| 04:20.33 | rhykin | which vmware would i need to get? |
| 04:20.41 | itnomad | lord_moonraker: thanks, I found those, but I can't get to the file from the "Desktop". It doesn't show up in the file manager. |
| 04:20.48 | itnomad | only from the xterm. |
| 04:21.35 | lord_moonraker | well copy the file to /media/mmc1 and check memory card folder? |
| 04:23.04 | DeLeOn | by the way, does someone here knows something about "Aricent"? is an india company that does software for mobiles |
| 04:23.06 | itnomad | lord_moonraker: thanks, that did it. |
| 04:23.17 | lord_moonraker | k |
| 04:23.19 | itnomad | I was drawing a blank |
| 04:24.29 | lord_moonraker | aricent? i think it was Hughes/flextronics |
| 04:25.00 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: yes, something like that... is that they opened an office in my city, and they are hiring,... and made me an offer... |
| 04:25.56 | DeLeOn | but still don't know if i'll take it |
| 04:27.08 | lord_moonraker | oh r u in b'lore? |
| 04:27.20 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: no, Monterrey Mexico |
| 04:28.10 | DeLeOn | we are getting invaded by india companies, hehehe sasken, aricent and wipro came here in the last years... |
| 04:30.14 | lord_moonraker | : ) I am invading too |
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| 04:30.48 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: where r u from? india? |
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| 04:32.14 | lord_moonraker | yup |
| 04:32.43 | DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: working for any of this companies? |
| 04:32.56 | rhykin | i figured it out |
| 04:34.43 | rhykin | is there a way to install apps to your internal memory card |
| 04:34.46 | rhykin | instead of like |
| 04:34.53 | rhykin | on the internal memory itself |
| 04:35.57 | itnomad | Monterrey Mexico...no kidding! |
| 04:36.30 | elb | I just roasted a mexican coffee, for whatever that's worth ;-) |
| 04:37.16 | Masca | elb: are you in every channel over freenode and oftc ?? |
| 04:37.33 | elb | haha |
| 04:37.35 | elb | no ;-) |
| 04:37.47 | elb | I just joined this one, as I'll be getting an 810 soon, and I hope to do some development |
| 04:37.55 | Masca | me to =) |
| 04:37.55 | elb | (Pidgin, among other things, of course) |
| 04:38.25 | Masca | elb: pidgin is ported on maemo |
| 04:38.36 | DeLeOn | itnomad: you are in monterrey? |
| 04:38.48 | lord_moonraker | rhykin: what happened r u low on space? |
| 04:38.58 | Masca | but if you need help in something with pidgin+nokia810 I can help you |
| 04:39.32 | lord_moonraker | i think u need to free up space or install /dual boot onto the mmc |
| 04:39.58 | lord_moonraker | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card |
| 04:40.37 | shackan | elb: pidgin already works great :) |
| 04:40.55 | rhykin | lord_moonraker: i would assume i would at some point ;) |
| 04:40.57 | lord_moonraker | deleon: no tata |
| 04:42.00 | Masca | elb: told you ;-) |
| 04:42.02 | elb | Masca, shackan: yes, I have worked with the porter (_|Nix|_) |
| 04:42.20 | elb | Pidgin on Linux already runs, too -- that doesn't mean it's *done* |
| 04:42.29 | Masca | ohh _|Nix|_ is everywhere to =S |
| 04:42.50 | shackan | mm, I don't know what's missing |
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| 04:43.54 | Masca | a wireless crack ;-) to be connected on every wireless we touch |
| 04:44.30 | elb | nix's work has been mostly UI fixes |
| 04:44.42 | elb | since Pidgin really wasn't designed with a finger-touch screen in mind |
| 04:45.03 | lord_moonraker | deleon: what do u work in? c, or scripts? |
| 04:45.04 | DeLe0n | yes, i was talking with Masca about that, do you think its possible to make "aircrack" work on the N810? |
| 04:45.36 | Masca | lord_moonraker: we work in C |
| 04:45.39 | DeLe0n | lord_moonraker: mergin into C... |
| 04:46.08 | Masca | yes, he is a noob =P |
| 04:46.59 | Masca | s/to/too/ |
| 04:47.30 | shackan | aircrack is going to kill the poor battery tough :D |
| 04:48.02 | Masca | shackan: but will give you internet acess |
| 04:48.12 | DeLe0n | shackan: but it would be nice to have access "everywhere" |
| 04:48.21 | shackan | *cough* |
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| 04:48.49 | shackan | good luck breaking WEAP then |
| 04:49.00 | lord_moonraker | k I was trying to get some devs for new progs for 810 |
| 04:49.01 | rubiks | weap? |
| 04:49.03 | shackan | they're becoming very common |
| 04:49.25 | shackan | eap |
| 04:50.08 | dragorn | unless someone has rewritten the wireless drivers (which afaik they haven't), you won't be able to do injection, which makes aircrack pretty useless |
| 04:50.08 | dragorn | ptw would be feasible on that processor probably, but without injection... no. |
| 04:50.31 | DeLe0n | :S... |
| 04:51.28 | lord_moonraker | these seems to be enough unencrypted wifi's around it seems to get u connected anywhere |
| 04:51.34 | shackan | so unless you live in a country like finland, forget about "everywhere" :) |
| 04:51.37 | Masca | so, we need some wireless drivers rewrite ... |
| 04:51.58 | Masca | shackan: finland ? |
| 04:51.59 | _Monkey | i think finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) |
| 04:52.12 | lord_moonraker | i.e. in us |
| 04:52.26 | shackan | Masca: just to say a place with a big wifi penetration |
| 04:52.42 | DeLe0n | shackan: i know... but here in Mexico we have just like 1 hotspot in the whole country haha |
| 04:53.24 | Masca | haha |
| 04:53.30 | shackan | well, at least with the gps you can find it quicker :P |
| 04:54.09 | DeLe0n | masca: we could go to the macroplaza when we get the N810's to show off... theres a hotspot there hahaha |
| 04:54.41 | Masca | DeLe0n: really ?? in a restaurant or on the plaza ? |
| 04:54.57 | shackan | yeah, show it off, best way to get robbed :D |
| 04:55.01 | DeLe0n | masca: in the whole place... i think cause of the gov offices |
| 04:55.20 | Masca | ohh one thing to thank the gov |
| 04:55.26 | DeLe0n | shackan: they would thought we stole the N810's... hahaha |
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| 05:01.10 | DeLe0n | g2g chat u later... |
| 05:01.14 | DeLe0n | goin out for beer |
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| 05:01.21 | Masca | yes, beer time |
| 05:02.01 | rhykin | heh |
| 05:11.31 | ol_schoola | whoa. sandisk ultra II 2Gb mini sd is 13 pounds in UK and 50-79 dollars US. unbelievable |
| 05:18.34 | lord_moonraker | hmm, i got the pqi 2gb for 15$ |
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| 05:28.32 | ol_schoola | ah, the one i was looking at is supposedly wicked fast http://www.valuemedia.co.uk/minisd_chart.htm |
| 05:29.31 | ol_schoola | that helps a lot when offloading photos (nikon raw) to the laptop |
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| 05:31.01 | ol_schoola | i'm hoping an SD->CF adapter won't bottleneck. we'll see. if it works, i can do on-the-fly edits without the heavy as macbook in my backpack |
| 05:31.10 | ol_schoola | s/as/ass |
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| 05:31.52 | ol_schoola | one (miniSD) card to rule them all |
| 05:32.59 | lord_moonraker | i hope the mini sd cards become cheaper soon, |
| 05:33.26 | metatron | sigh, I was ambivalent, but I think I'm liking the n800 over the n810. |
| 05:34.01 | lord_moonraker | n |
| 05:34.14 | lord_moonraker | n810 do come with 2gb |
| 05:37.32 | ol_schoola | i'm kinda leary of the 810's cap at 10Gb. map data seems to be HUGE and i want to carry some music with lots of space for photos |
| 05:38.10 | ol_schoola | i've only had 800 for a week so i'm not certain how it's going to load up under normal use yet |
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| 05:40.36 | lord_moonraker | be wary of the media crawler, it starts searching for media files and use up cpu |
| 05:41.01 | lord_moonraker | trying to update its database |
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| 05:44.00 | ol_schoola | media crawler? the built-in media center? |
| 05:44.48 | lord_moonraker | ya, i think its metacrrawler |
| 05:45.03 | ol_schoola | shall i go looking for a daemon to slay? |
| 05:45.27 | captlloyd | Hmm, 2 more weeks until I get my N810 |
| 05:45.37 | captlloyd | what to do until then? |
| 05:46.20 | ol_schoola | hah. i've been waiting forever for a wide angle f2.8 lens from nikon so i bought a n800 to distract me |
| 05:46.32 | captlloyd | :) |
| 05:47.10 | ol_schoola | bit off more than i can chew! my mythtv systemj is learing at me in the corner of the room, prolly feels neglected :) |
| 05:48.03 | ol_schoola | s/lear/leer |
| 05:49.48 | captlloyd | I looked into getting Internet access by using my mobile phone as a modem. |
| 05:50.15 | captlloyd | I don't think there's a way I can do it here for less than $60/month |
| 05:50.27 | captlloyd | at least there's wifi most places I go |
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| 06:20.06 | timelyx | ol_schoola: fwiw the map data i wanted w/ maemo mapper fit on a 1gb card |
| 06:20.32 | timelyx | the n810 street maps for usa are something like 1.5g combined (east+west) |
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| 06:24.46 | metatron | are there china maps? |
| 06:26.42 | timelyx | now that's a question i haven't seen before |
| 06:27.10 | timelyx | followed by a binary eula |
| 06:28.36 | timelyx | note that your map options may vary, as they aren't built into the device, it has to ask the internet for the list |
| 06:29.18 | timelyx | today the closest it has are turkey and the middle east. no russia/india/australia/japan/china |
| 06:29.44 | timelyx | please remember that the device is not targeted at china |
| 06:29.57 | timelyx | we aren't shipping chinese (or japanese or korean or thai) input methods |
| 06:30.15 | timelyx | the device doesn't go through qa for any such languages (closest is cyrillic/russian, and that isn't close) |
| 06:30.46 | timelyx | afaik we don't ship fonts for any of those (you can of course download fonts, someone may even make packages to help you) |
| 06:31.03 | timelyx | there's also no guarantee that installing fonts won't panic/root/reboot your device :) |
| 06:31.14 | timelyx | (fonts tend to do that sort of thing to desktop os's :) |
| 06:34.44 | timelyx | heh, they don't have map coverage south of the border (mexico, south america) |
| 06:35.05 | zoran | timelyx, is there any change in servers configuration, regarding access privilage? |
| 06:35.18 | timelyx | ? |
| 06:35.40 | zoran | I have strange error trying to reach servers |
| 06:35.46 | timelyx | ? |
| 06:36.08 | zoran | some 10 days ago I stopped to get files via browser and app manager on 770 |
| 06:36.13 | timelyx | are you using ip over avian carrier? |
| 06:36.25 | zoran | error mess was "authorization request" etc |
| 06:36.30 | zoran | nope |
| 06:36.38 | zoran | domain is "yu" |
| 06:37.04 | zoran | all providers from that domain have no ability to get maemo files |
| 06:37.31 | zoran | I ssh to remote box and get files as it should |
| 06:37.39 | timelyx | sorry, i'm confused |
| 06:37.43 | zoran | me too |
| 06:37.44 | timelyx | give me precise steps to reproduce |
| 06:37.51 | timelyx | you have 5mins, else i'm physically leaving |
| 06:38.00 | zoran | repository/maemo/org/pool/gregale/free/a/apt |
| 06:38.01 | timelyx | (well, i'm physically leaving either way) |
| 06:38.13 | zoran | k |
| 06:38.30 | timelyx | are you saying you're *physically* somewhere and you think it matters? |
| 06:38.39 | zoran | yes |
| 06:38.52 | zoran | I can't refresh app lists on 770 |
| 06:39.03 | zoran | can't get new files from servers |
| 06:39.17 | zoran | I filed a bug report |
| 06:39.46 | zoran | do you need traceroute output of my ip address? |
| 06:40.47 | timelyx | i'll take the bug id |
| 06:41.04 | zoran | k |
| 06:41.26 | zoran | web, servers or something liek that |
| 06:43.27 | timelyx | bug numbers should have 4 digits |
| 06:43.43 | zoran | yes, cannot recall now |
| 06:43.48 | zoran | 2... |
| 06:43.55 | zoran | in web section |
| 06:43.59 | timelyx | how about your login? |
| 06:44.06 | zerojay | Click on My Bugs. |
| 06:44.11 | zoran | should I login now? |
| 06:44.17 | zoran | k |
| 06:44.25 | timelyx | zerojay: won't work if it's unco :) |
| 06:44.42 | zerojay | Oh really? |
| 06:44.45 | timelyx | zoran: at this point, you have 1 min to tell me your login name |
| 06:45.16 | zoran | zoran@fooboo.org |
| 06:45.27 | zerojay | 2237 |
| 06:46.06 | zerojay | wtf is a "yu" domain? |
| 06:46.15 | zerojay | yu.com or blahblah.yu? |
| 06:46.16 | zoran | former yugoslavia |
| 06:46.32 | timelyx | attach the web page the web browser sees |
| 06:46.37 | timelyx | it should have a footer |
| 06:46.42 | timelyx | footers sometimes are useful |
| 06:46.48 | timelyx | e./g. they might list a proxy server |
| 06:47.16 | zoran | sec |
| 06:47.23 | timelyx | zerojay: can you monitor some of those components and start whacking reporters until they actually give useful reports? |
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| 06:47.40 | timelyx | zoran: sorry, time expired. i don't care. but your bug won't improve until you do such things |
| 06:47.53 | zoran | tomorrow |
| 06:47.54 | _Monkey | it has been said that tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... |
| 06:48.03 | zerojay | timelyx: I'll have my shovel with me. |
| 06:48.34 | zoran | should I give more info? |
| 06:48.45 | zoran | don't want to bother |
| 06:50.05 | zerojay | The tablets never were released in Japan, were they? |
| 06:50.25 | zoran | timelyx, done |
| 06:50.29 | timelyx | zerojay: correct |
| 06:50.39 | timelyx | zoran: at this point, you're being managed by zerojay |
| 06:51.06 | zerojay | So it's pretty doubtful we're going to see Japanese FM radio frequencies added to the FM radio program. ;) |
| 06:51.28 | timelyx | given that the people who make it are in oulu,fi? |
| 06:51.30 | timelyx | yeah |
| 06:52.57 | lopz | bye |
| 06:53.54 | timelyx | would you expect kanji listings? |
| 06:54.03 | timelyx | because afaik you can't get the listings in French |
| 06:54.48 | zoran | zerojay, enough info for now? |
| 06:54.51 | zerojay | No, this bug was complaining that the FM radio tuner can't tune into Japanese stations because the frequencies used for radio there are different than the EU/US standards. |
| 06:55.10 | zerojay | Even though the chip supports it with a bit flip. |
| 06:55.15 | zerojay | zoran: I'll look in a sec. |
| 06:55.19 | zoran | k |
| 06:56.50 | zerojay | Hmm... |
| 06:57.11 | zerojay | Perhaps Nokia's blocked out countries they knew they didn't sell in... |
| 06:57.26 | zoran | I think so, also |
| 06:57.48 | zoran | I bought it over 4 countries and 7 people |
| 06:58.09 | zerojay | How many .yu domains have you tried it on? |
| 06:58.13 | alp | zerojay: there is a rounding bug in the algorithm the proprietary tuner app uses |
| 06:58.14 | zoran | 2 |
| 06:58.31 | alp | zerojay: we don't have the problem in the managed tuner |
| 06:58.40 | zoran | but I need my home provider's domain in usage |
| 06:59.22 | zerojay | Try putting in the .yu domains you tried from as well as a few that did work for you. |
| 06:59.38 | zerojay | alp: "managed tuner"? |
| 06:59.44 | zoran | sbb.co.yu and simfonica.co.yu |
| 06:59.58 | zoran | teh first one is my home domain |
| 07:00.04 | zerojay | zoran: Add them to the bug. Add in just about anything that even remotely could be helpful. |
| 07:00.12 | zoran | k |
| 07:00.27 | zerojay | I was going to say that maybe it was your servers blocking them, but then you probably wouldn't be getting those error messages. |
| 07:00.30 | zoran | error number is 401 |
| 07:00.33 | alp | zerojay: when they noticed the FM chip i hacked up a c# tuner app for the N800, it's on http://git.ndesk.org/ somewhere |
| 07:00.49 | zoran | yes, I think nokia changes something |
| 07:01.06 | zerojay | alp: And it works with Japanese frequencies? |
| 07:02.05 | alp | zerojay: i don't think anyone has tried, but the tuner scans at steps that work better in some countrie |
| 07:02.07 | alp | countries |
| 07:02.25 | zerojay | alp: Have you reported this rounding bug? |
| 07:02.57 | alp | zerojay: i have no way to confirm it exists in the proprietary tuner because there's no source code |
| 07:03.05 | alp | so it's just conjecture |
| 07:03.41 | zerojay | And your program doesn't have the same problem? |
| 07:06.53 | alp | zerojay: i think this might have been the fix, http://git.ndesk.org/?p=v4l2-sharp;a=commitdiff;h=94b475d5 -- it's been months, i really don't remember |
| 07:08.40 | zerojay | If you're up to the task, file a bug so that the people with access to the code for the FM tuner can take a look at it. |
| 07:09.30 | alp | zerojay: i think it's more effective to provide open, peer reviewed replacements for proprietary components |
| 07:10.06 | alp | it's difficult to fix a fairly subtle rounding bug like this or even confirm that it exists when you don't have access to the sources |
| 07:10.25 | zoran | zerojay, I filed comments for #2237. something more needed? |
| 07:10.39 | zerojay | alp: Agreed, but you have to understand that Nokia's a company that's been used to years and years of everything being closed off and they were successful with it... they're working on opening up further, give it time. |
| 07:10.54 | zerojay | Also remember that all code has to go through tons of legal crap before it's released as well. |
| 07:11.26 | zerojay | alp: File the bug. Tell them you want to see the code and they might make it happen. |
| 07:11.27 | alp | zerojay: i understand very well. i'm working to provide replacements for the proprietary browser and have hacked on various other cool stuff since Maemo came out ;-) |
| 07:11.48 | zerojay | Well, once IT2008 hits, there won't be a proprietary browser anymore. |
| 07:12.47 | alp | i don't think MicroB is a competent replacement, but i guess i'm highly opinionated ;-) |
| 07:12.55 | zerojay | zoran: I guess that'll work. We'll see. |
| 07:13.06 | zerojay | alp: What's incompetent about it? :) |
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| 07:14.45 | zerojay | It's going to be interesting to see how the first official release (all others were beta) as part of IT2008 works out, especially with the +70mhz speed jump. |
| 07:16.20 | zerojay | My only real problem is that it's a little slow and sometimes crashes. |
| 07:16.29 | zerojay | Slower still with Greasemonkey scripts. |
| 07:38.24 | alp | zerojay: sorry, was doing interactivity benchmarks. i think it is a shame to replace Opera with a slower and less capable browser, that's all. more of my thoughts are here: http://www.atoker.com/webkit/webkitgtk-lce07.pdf |
| 07:38.58 | zerojay | Ugh.. Webkit. |
| 07:39.05 | zerojay | I wish they didn't change the name. |
| 07:39.06 | Luria | slower without a doubt, but less capable? |
| 07:39.19 | zerojay | Opera was far less capable. |
| 07:39.25 | zerojay | And old as hell. |
| 07:39.42 | Luria | and totally useless with google |
| 07:39.54 | Luria | that said, i like the choice of engines |
| 07:42.12 | zerojay | Having Webkit for the tablets would be great... I just wish they kept the KHTML name. |
| 07:42.35 | Luria | i really like browser.garage's design |
| 07:43.10 | Luria | too geeky |
| 07:43.23 | Luria | and the whole k* thing can be annoying |
| 07:44.27 | alp | zerojay: i have not said this before since i was indirectly paid by Nokia at the time, but the browser abstraction layer was hard-coded to support either MicroB or Opera. the whole idea of browser choice was a sham (maybe it has changed now) |
| 07:44.49 | Luria | i wish you could edit/switch the user agent for the browser. sigh. |
| 07:45.20 | Luria | alp: that's dumb. abstraction is a cool idea. |
| 07:45.38 | zerojay | If you reflashed and didn't install microb, you'd sometimes get a different set of menu items allowing you to do stuff like enable/disable javascript for all sites or just google.. but it also allowed you to switch engines. |
| 07:45.50 | zerojay | Engines listed, Opera, MicroB, and Webkit (greyed out). |
| 07:45.58 | zerojay | So I believe we're getting it eventually. |
| 07:47.03 | alp | zerojay: do you know how we added WebKit support to the EAL? with a binary hex editor |
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| 07:47.37 | zerojay | Not a surprise, to be honest with you. |
| 07:47.48 | zerojay | alp: Got anything released yet? |
| 07:48.14 | alp | it's funny to hear about this great open development platform and then have to hex edit proprietary abstraction layers to offer an alternative |
| 07:48.37 | romaxa_ | alp: mda |
| 07:48.43 | alp | zerojay: i'm not working on the project any more. i think there has been one commit to the EAL repository in the last month, which was to remove an unfinished feature |
| 07:50.23 | alp | i think there is still potential for a replacement browser but we need a better strategy than the hacks :-) |
| 07:50.53 | zerojay | Maybe IT2008 will loosen the reigns. |
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| 07:52.20 | alp | romaxa_: nda? the work i'm talking about was done in spare time as proof of concept |
| 07:53.06 | zerojay | alp: Have you talked with timeless here before? |
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| 07:53.55 | alp | zerojay: i don't remember it being very productive |
| 07:54.01 | zerojay | lol |
| 07:58.41 | romaxa_ | alp: where I can find working Gtk+ application based on webkit? |
| 07:58.53 | romaxa_ | alp: sources.. |
| 07:58.54 | _Monkey | sources are there.. you can compile that |
| 08:00.01 | romaxa_ | I was compiling Webkit for Nxxx ~2 years ago... it was really shit... |
| 08:00.22 | alp | romaxa_: that's funny. we only really started the gtk+ port a year ago |
| 08:00.28 | romaxa_ | I was compiling some sources ~ 3 month ago... - nothing was changed |
| 08:00.29 | alp | maybe you are thinking of gtk-webcore? |
| 08:01.16 | romaxa_ | alp: maybe |
| 08:02.41 | romaxa_ | alp: gtk-webcore was very small, at least 2 years ago... |
| 08:03.08 | alp | gtk-webcore is a different project based on a years-old codebase. i don't know much more than that |
| 08:03.09 | romaxa_ | alp:size of current webkit ~10Mb |
| 08:03.47 | romaxa_ | alp: depend on sqlite, cairo..... - I guess it is current webkit? |
| 08:04.17 | alp | right. SVG, canvas, database, new CSS features all add up but can be disabled at configure time to cut the build to ~6M |
| 08:05.45 | romaxa_ | alp: I was testing on N800 some webkit port... ~ 2-3 month ago... it was unstable, slow, and without any features... |
| 08:08.13 | romaxa_ | alp: I was using http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk |
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| 08:10.09 | alp | no features? there are some gaps in SVG coverage because the cairo svg backend isn't complete, but i can't imagine how you got a build with no features.. |
| 08:10.47 | alp | anyway, i think it's more interesting to put real builds side by side. this conversation is not productive ;-) |
| 08:11.11 | romaxa_ | alp: ./WebKitTools/Scripts/build-webkit -qmakearg=WEBKIT_INC_DIR=$PREFIX/include/WebKit -qmakearg=WEBKIT_LIB_DIR=$PREFIX/lib --gdk |
| 08:11.36 | romaxa_ | alp: I have build it so.. |
| 08:11.45 | alp | romaxa_: the "gdk" bit suggests that the build was done before it was even officially the "gtk+" port |
| 08:16.33 | alp | romaxa_: i think there are some pretty favourable benchmarks. i'll see if i can get permission to blog them |
| 08:17.03 | alp | (from Trolltech) |
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| 08:24.49 | czr | Jaffa, 'janne johansson' on devml says that dist-upgrade should be possible (don't know if you noticed) |
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| 09:14.22 | timelyx | alp: i can see the sources to the proprietary tuner |
| 09:14.26 | timelyx | tell me what to look for, i'll look |
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| 09:22.21 | timelyx | Luria: you can switch the useragent, it's gecko, you change it the same way you would |
| 09:22.23 | timelyx | for any gecko |
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| 09:32.18 | kulve | hmm.. Anybody else having problems logging to bugs.maemo.org? |
| 09:32.48 | timelyx | as of when? |
| 09:32.52 | kulve | no matter what I do, it just says "The username or password you entered is not valid." |
| 09:33.22 | timelyx | i'd have to know my password |
| 09:34.05 | kulve | I can log to garage just fine, but not to bugzilla.. |
| 09:34.16 | timelyx | they're independent |
| 09:34.22 | timelyx | zoran: why did you spam 2242? |
| 09:34.25 | kulve | it sure does seem so |
| 09:36.00 | timelyx | login worksforme |
| 09:36.04 | kulve | ah, they *are* independent ;) |
| 09:36.11 | timelyx | yes, 100% |
| 09:36.19 | timelyx | different userlist, different password list |
| 09:36.20 | kulve | I've changed the passwd for garage, but though somehow that it's the same for bugzilla.. |
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| 09:37.50 | timelyx | if maemo.org switches to ldap, bugzilla could be migrated to use it |
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| 10:21.16 | zchydem_home | good morning folks.. is there a documentation of the maemo platform? Actually I'm interested in about the system boot, logs, scripts, how to disable matchbox and hildon framework etc.. |
| 10:27.04 | kulve | I'm not sure if there are documentation about those, but log in with ssh and experiment.. |
| 10:27.27 | kulve | if you install syslog, it tells quite much |
| 10:27.54 | kulve | and iirc, there are even startup scripts for the hildon af, so it should be easy to disable it |
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| 10:29.22 | zchydem_home | ok, thanks |
| 10:32.15 | kulve | /etc/init.d/af-base-apps |
| 10:32.22 | kulve | that's something you should check out |
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| 10:37.45 | kulve | zchydem_home: and remember that some of the services are already started from initfs which is mounted to /mnt/initfs |
| 10:43.02 | zchydem_home | kulve, ok |
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| 11:06.48 | unique311 | fell asleep on the damn keyboard or something |
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| 11:07.40 | kpel | hi all |
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| 11:17.45 | kpel | if I want to install Chinook do I have to manually uninstall any previous SDK? |
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| 12:44.54 | alterego | Woo! |
| 12:45.34 | alterego | Anyone know what the idea behind 'hd_plugin_get_objects' is? |
| 12:46.19 | alterego | I _think_ it's so a plugin can create multiple plugins .. |
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| 13:12.13 | m-lund | Hi there: Anyway I can emulate the Nokia N810 experience on my PC before actually buying a N810? |
| 13:12.25 | m-lund | I mean with Qemu or stuff like that? |
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| 13:16.22 | kpel | m-lund: perhaps you could try the SDK (Chinook) |
| 13:16.48 | m-lund | kpel: Will that give me a complete emulator? |
| 13:17.40 | kpel | m-lund: it will give you a desktop to run maemo apps. Read this: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html |
| 13:17.53 | m-lund | kpel: Okay, thanks alot. |
| 13:18.23 | kpel | obviously things like the camera, the integration with web services etc won't be simulated |
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| 13:18.37 | m-lund | kpel: fair enough. |
| 13:20.01 | kpel | m-lund: to be honest the sdk doesn't do justice to the tablet's look and feel. If I had tried the SDK before buying an N800 I wouldn't buy the tablet at all and that would be a shame imho. Your best choice is to go to a Nokia shop and ask them to show you a tablet. |
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| 13:20.21 | kpel | in a few weeks N810 will be in the stores. |
| 13:20.26 | alterego | Yeah, |
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| 13:20.56 | m-lund | kpel: From what I've hear from users with the N800, they all seem to be very satisfied. So i might just order one up front. |
| 13:21.10 | m-lund | kpel: It will be a nice MythTV frontend. |
| 13:21.16 | alterego | The SDK is just an environment to test applications you're developing. It doesn't really show how the tablet works or operates in person. |
| 13:21.25 | kpel | m-lund: I for one am very happy with my N800 :) |
| 13:21.36 | alterego | Yeah, I love m N800 |
| 13:21.42 | kpel | i can even play the secret of monkey island on it! |
| 13:21.45 | alterego | I'm gonna love my N810 more though me thinks ;) |
| 13:21.48 | m-lund | So are you both going to upgrade it? |
| 13:21.55 | m-lund | N900 > N810? |
| 13:22.09 | alterego | Yeah, I got accepted into the device program so I get an N810 super cheap. |
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| 13:22.20 | kpel | i can't afford a second tablet so soon. i bough my n800 in september. |
| 13:22.29 | alterego | kpel, me too :) |
| 13:22.30 | m-lund | alterego: Great, sounds cool. |
| 13:22.38 | alterego | Lucky for the device program ^_^ |
| 13:22.46 | alterego | I wouldn't have got one either. |
| 13:23.03 | alterego | I've only had my tablet ~3 months now. |
| 13:23.06 | kpel | alterego: what is the device program? some internal nokia thing? |
| 13:23.24 | alterego | It's in the announcements. |
| 13:23.56 | alterego | So far everytime a tablet has been released they've been giving out discounts to developers, so they can purchase the devices at ~99 EUR. |
| 13:24.20 | alterego | This year with the N810 they had 500 units on discount and the program was open to anyone. Not just developers. |
| 13:25.04 | m-lund | I'm a bit curious how it will handle remote X-applications? |
| 13:25.13 | alterego | Never tried it. |
| 13:25.20 | m-lund | forwarded through ssh connections. |
| 13:25.34 | m-lund | This way I can run Open Office from my server. |
| 13:25.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:25.55 | zerojay | Unless it's VNC, forget about that. |
| 13:25.57 | m-lund | Tried out the resolution in Xnest. It's actually good enough for typing. |
| 13:26.02 | alterego | Unfortunately OOo doesn't handle stylus input. |
| 13:26.08 | alterego | That'd be my guess .. |
| 13:26.29 | m-lund | Zero_Dogg: It won't be able to handle remote X? Because of the Window-manager? |
| 13:26.32 | alterego | Yeah, VNC would be a better bet. |
| 13:26.57 | alterego | m-lund, it's not just the window manager. It's the input methods too. |
| 13:27.10 | m-lund | alterego: Okay - but I will have to try it anyway :) |
| 13:27.29 | alterego | What programs do you use in OOo? |
| 13:27.40 | alterego | You can get gnumeric and abiword for the devices. |
| 13:28.07 | m-lund | alterego: Yeah, I know. But I think they will fuck up the ODF-documents (not sure, though) |
| 13:28.26 | alterego | Don't use ODF then .. |
| 13:28.29 | m-lund | What about freeNX instead of VNC? |
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| 13:28.41 | alterego | Again, I don't know. |
| 13:28.47 | alterego | Never even heard of FreeNX |
| 13:28.54 | eichi | the new maemo mapper is slower then the older version...maybe couse if the database.. |
| 13:28.58 | m-lund | alterego: Okay, just have to try it out though |
| 13:29.12 | alterego | eichi, it's not the database. Read his release notes. |
| 13:29.18 | dockane | i use postershop and canon network scangear on a windows box via vnc.. works |
| 13:29.23 | dockane | wonderful |
| 13:29.25 | alterego | Use google apps ^_^ |
| 13:30.10 | eichi | alterego, where can i find them? i search simething like this at the moment |
| 13:30.26 | kpel | alterego: i guess it's not possible to request a tablet now right? i can't do that in my profile. |
| 13:30.27 | alterego | On the project homepage? |
| 13:30.39 | alterego | kpel, no. Too late unfortunately. |
| 13:30.50 | alterego | kpel, maybe you could try next time :)# |
| 13:32.32 | kpel | alterego: yeah, probably :) |
| 13:32.57 | eichi | "It |
| 13:32.58 | eichi | depends on your personal tastes, but the |
| 13:32.58 | eichi | combination of database use and rotational |
| 13:32.58 | eichi | functionality have slowed down screen drawing |
| 13:32.58 | eichi | significantly." |
| 13:33.04 | kpel | alterego: if i want to install chinook do i have to manually remove the previous sdk? |
| 13:33.05 | eichi | thats it |
| 13:33.25 | alterego | kpel, the previous beta chinook SDK? |
| 13:34.37 | kpel | alterego: i don't think it's chinook but an older one (any way to find out?) |
| 13:34.53 | alterego | Then no, you don't need to. |
| 13:35.18 | kpel | will chinook be installed on top of the old one? |
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| 13:35.52 | alterego | No |
| 13:36.01 | alterego | They've changed the SDK naming conventions thank god :) |
| 13:36.35 | kpel | so in order to have only chinook installed how do i get rid of the old sdk? |
| 13:36.48 | kpel | do i just remove those debian packages? |
| 13:37.05 | alterego | sb-conf remove SDK_ARMEL |
| 13:37.11 | alterego | and: sb-conf remove SDK_X86 |
| 13:38.33 | kpel | ah, from within the emulator? |
| 13:38.43 | kpel | ok thanks |
| 13:38.43 | alterego | From within scratchbox. |
| 13:38.46 | alterego | It's not an emulator. |
| 13:39.10 | kpel | my bad. |
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| 13:53.56 | jjo | you can also use sb-menu to remove the targets if you are unsure of the target names ;) |
| 13:59.58 | alterego | sb-conf list --targets |
| 14:00.03 | alterego | :P |
| 14:02.34 | Sho_ | By the way, is the "2 GB Flash" of the N810 built into the device in addition to the miniSD slot, or is Nokia simply bundling a 2GB miniSD with the device, i.e. the 2GB actually fill the slot? |
| 14:02.50 | alterego | Sho_, it's build in. There is no bundled memory card. |
| 14:02.57 | alterego | s/build/built/ |
| 14:03.47 | Sho_ | infobot: Ah, ok. I saw a walkthrough video on Internet Tablet Talk where someone was demoing the N810 with a 2GB microSD in a miniSD adapter while mumbling something about "the card I got with [incomprehensible]", so I was wondering |
| 14:04.14 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:04.21 | Sho_ | err, alterego, not infobot ;) |
| 14:04.26 | alterego | ;) |
| 14:06.12 | Sho_ | (in his defense, my laptop speakers are just plain horrible, so he might in fact be speaking clearly) |
| 14:06.23 | alterego | :) |
| 14:06.36 | alterego | You should use a decent pair of headphones or something. |
| 14:07.27 | alterego | Hmm, require 'hildon-desktop' or 'hildon_desktop' or 'hildon/desktop' |
| 14:07.31 | alterego | I think I prefer the later. |
| 14:10.16 | Jiten | http://blog.fishsoup.net/2007/11/10/reinteract-better-interactive-python/ |
| 14:13.55 | alterego | Funky. |
| 14:14.07 | daniels | just to debunk something asserted earlier, dist-upgrade from itos2007 to itos2008 is _not_ possible. sucks, but c'est la vie. |
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| 14:16.44 | p| | 'giorno |
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| 14:24.36 | alterego | Is there an extras-devel repository yet? |
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| 14:30.24 | Andy80 | lot of people are asking me: what will be the price (in euro or dollar) of the upcoming N810? |
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| 14:31.42 | astro76 | Andy80, in USD, sounds like ~ $480 to 500 |
| 14:32.41 | Andy80 | mmm... about 349 € then... |
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| 14:33.53 | lopz | hola |
| 14:34.43 | ab | "It is expected to start shipping mid November with an estimated retail price of 479 USD (excluding local taxes)." |
| 14:37.42 | timelyx | Andy80: it doesn't work that way |
| 14:37.52 | timelyx | it'll probably be 475 USD or 475 EUR |
| 14:38.06 | timelyx | or 9, whichever |
| 14:38.16 | timelyx | note that in the states you pay sales tax (sometimes) |
| 14:38.21 | timelyx | in europe, VAT is included |
| 14:38.28 | alterego | Oooo |
| 14:38.35 | astro76 | typically 6-8% in the US |
| 14:38.37 | Andy80 | ah ok |
| 14:38.39 | alterego | Hey timelyx |
| 14:38.40 | _Monkey | hmmm... timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback |
| 14:38.53 | alterego | shuddup monkey |
| 14:38.57 | timelyx | hrm, that's not quite right |
| 14:38.57 | Andy80 | here IVA (something like the VAT) is 20% -__- |
| 14:39.21 | alterego | Depending on the price, I might just get my dad one for Christmas and hold on to my N800 ;) |
| 14:39.39 | alterego | I really _really_ love my N800 |
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| 14:42.31 | zerojay | The card slot on the N810 is a micro or mini SD? |
| 14:42.32 | db48x | what's the easiest way to compile something to be used with maemo-invoker/maemo-summoner? |
| 14:44.11 | astro76 | zerojay, mini |
| 14:46.46 | zerojay | Crap.. I want this microSD 6GB card, but it doesn't come with a mini adapter. |
| 14:46.54 | timelyx | db48x: redefine main to whatever_main, and compile it as a .so instead of a binary |
| 14:47.11 | db48x | timeless: so just add a -shared to gcc? |
| 14:47.25 | timelyx | don't forget to fix the entrypoint, but yeah, that sounds about right |
| 14:48.12 | db48x | summoner source looks like just wants 'main' |
| 14:48.33 | timelyx | sounds wrong |
| 14:48.44 | db48x | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/maemo-launcher-0.24/launcher/prog.c#68 |
| 14:48.59 | db48x | what would the 'whatever' be? |
| 14:49.23 | zerojay | N810 supports microSDHC, right? |
| 14:49.25 | timelyx | hrm, maybe |
| 14:49.42 | astro76 | zerojay, yes with a mini adapter |
| 14:50.41 | timelyx | db48x: ok |
| 14:50.54 | timelyx | my memory must be rusty |
| 14:51.00 | timelyx | i know i tried chasing this stuff once before |
| 14:52.56 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/maemo-launcher-0.24/launcher/launcher.c#675 |
| 14:52.59 | timelyx | "documentation" :) |
| 14:53.30 | db48x | I can't wait until we have mobile devices that run normal operating systems, without all this cruft |
| 14:53.42 | db48x | timelyx: heh |
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| 14:56.40 | alterego | launcher and summoner will be deprecated soon I think. |
| 15:00.38 | alterego | Hildon is starting to become a lot nicer to play with. |
| 15:00.43 | alterego | Shame it's really poorly documented :/ |
| 15:00.53 | alterego | At least at the level I'm attempting to get in to. |
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| 15:07.56 | l7 | ello |
| 15:11.58 | alterego | Yah for consistant naming conventions O_O |
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| 15:13.07 | db48x | hah, maemo-summoner does fail to pass along the commandline arguments |
| 15:13.08 | alterego | It's like looking at a repeat performance of the first hildon releases ^_^ |
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| 15:13.37 | db48x | argv contains three empty strings |
| 15:13.52 | alterego | Did you pass 3 empty strings? |
| 15:13.53 | db48x | rather than the executable name and the two args I'm passing in |
| 15:13.58 | alterego | Ah. |
| 15:14.01 | alterego | That's interesting. |
| 15:14.09 | alterego | Maybe they're nullified. |
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| 15:20.28 | czr | resistance is futile. your stack will be zeroed? |
| 15:21.18 | sp3000 | db48x: http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/8014/contributions/5527/commits/11633505 ? |
| 15:22.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:22.17 | db48x | sp3000: that sounds hopeful |
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| 15:25.15 | db48x | kinda funny to be finding it via ohloh though |
| 15:31.11 | db48x | bah |
| 15:31.15 | db48x | more unmet build dependencies |
| 15:31.44 | alterego | db48x, do what I did. Just give up! :) |
| 15:32.07 | alterego | Actually, I submitted a bug report and moved on to something else until it's resolved. |
| 15:36.56 | db48x | I don't really have that option |
| 15:37.16 | db48x | well, I suppose I do, but then I don't get paid |
| 15:37.30 | alterego | :/ |
| 15:37.43 | db48x | so, what apt repository is libhildon*-dev supposed to come from? |
| 15:38.10 | alterego | repository.maemo.org |
| 15:38.11 | _Monkey | repository.maemo.org is ok |
| 15:38.31 | db48x | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 15:38.43 | alterego | Well, mines chinook. |
| 15:38.52 | db48x | hmm |
| 15:39.36 | lauti | just for interest: can any one tell me how this weird linking of the scratchbox directory inside of a user's home directory is achieved? It looks like a hard-link but these are not possible for directories are they? |
| 15:40.07 | alterego | lauti, which directory are you talking about? |
| 15:40.28 | lauti | '/scratchbox/users/<username>/scratchbox |
| 15:41.02 | lauti | the content of the inner scratchbox directory is actually the content of the outer one... actually an infinite recursion ;-) |
| 15:41.14 | alterego | Yeah, I'm not sure how that's done. |
| 15:41.16 | lauti | find -samefile also warned about this... |
| 15:41.24 | lauti | that's crazy, isn't it? |
| 15:41.36 | lauti | it's not a soft link this is ure |
| 15:41.38 | lauti | sure |
| 15:43.03 | db48x | arrg |
| 15:43.22 | db48x | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:43.22 | db48x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.22 | db48x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.22 | db48x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.48 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:54.31 | db48x | well |
| 15:54.35 | db48x | that's interesting |
| 15:54.47 | db48x | installing the new maemo-launcher deb made my n800 reboot |
| 15:57.04 | db48x | it's taking an awfully long time to come back up… |
| 15:58.02 | timelyx | it would |
| 15:58.03 | alterego | Uh on :) |
| 15:58.08 | timelyx | maemo-launcher is a system service |
| 15:59.11 | db48x | I think I killed it |
| 15:59.17 | Cord | lauti: thats a mount with option bind: /home/scratchbox on /home/scratchbox/users/cord/scratchbox type none (rw,bind) |
| 15:59.35 | db48x | the startup progress bar is holding at 90% of the way |
| 15:59.46 | timelyx | is ssh enabled on your device? |
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| 16:00.24 | db48x | yea |
| 16:00.28 | db48x | it's not responding though |
| 16:00.52 | db48x | can't imagine why not |
| 16:01.03 | zoran | ssh is not responding? |
| 16:01.17 | db48x | yea |
| 16:01.24 | zoran | do you have ip address? |
| 16:01.25 | timelyx | nice brick |
| 16:01.46 | zoran | could you make nmap search for it? |
| 16:01.50 | db48x | zoran: obviously it doesn't |
| 16:01.58 | db48x | it's not even finished booting yet |
| 16:02.03 | zoran | ah |
| 16:02.21 | db48x | though I rather suspect it's about as far along as it's going to get |
| 16:03.41 | db48x | ok, so what's the approved procedure for upgrading things like this? |
| 16:03.41 | timelyx | even w/ sdwilsh's help, i'm still behind |
| 16:04.05 | timelyx | test in scratchbox first |
| 16:04.08 | timelyx | then backup your device |
| 16:04.12 | timelyx | then attach serial cable |
| 16:04.15 | timelyx | then brick it |
| 16:04.19 | timelyx | then reflash |
| 16:04.25 | db48x | heh |
| 16:04.39 | timelyx | don't tell me you forgot your serial cable :) |
| 16:04.52 | db48x | wasn't included |
| 16:04.58 | db48x | unless you mean usb |
| 16:05.04 | timelyx | no :) |
| 16:05.11 | timelyx | well, did you at least test in scratchbox? :) |
| 16:05.30 | db48x | installing those build deps destroyed my scratchbox environment |
| 16:05.39 | db48x | it uninstalled af-maemo-desktop and so on |
| 16:05.48 | timelyx | that wasn't a good hint that you had a problem? :) |
| 16:06.14 | db48x | it was a good hint that anything debian based sucks |
| 16:07.08 | db48x | heh, I can still access the memory card in the n800 |
| 16:07.15 | timelyx | you didn't get that hint from me a couple of years ago? |
| 16:07.22 | db48x | guess that's autonomic |
| 16:07.50 | db48x | I remember you mentioning it |
| 16:08.13 | db48x | and I remember experiencing it every single time I've ever tried to use anything debian based |
| 16:08.32 | db48x | so I didn't read anything special into this particular example of it |
| 16:08.57 | db48x | now, where did I put the flasher |
| 16:09.04 | timelyx | someday people will learn not to ignore me |
| 16:09.12 | timelyx | but clearly i've been waiting many years for that day |
| 16:10.06 | alterego | You have a serial cable? |
| 16:10.21 | timelyx | personally, for the n810? no |
| 16:10.26 | timelyx | but they technically exist |
| 16:10.33 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 16:10.35 | alterego | JTag? |
| 16:10.48 | timelyx | nokia's a phone vendor first |
| 16:11.02 | timelyx | each phone has a jig which has pins and power and some form of serial cable |
| 16:11.03 | alterego | Sure, I recognise the mbus port. |
| 16:11.30 | alterego | I have an mbus cable somewhere. |
| 16:11.46 | alterego | Without knowing the protocols etc it's pretty useless with a tablet though :) |
| 16:11.58 | timelyx | personally my view is any software engineer above a certain level using the jig is doing something really wrong |
| 16:12.12 | timelyx | and db48x is well above that level |
| 16:12.16 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:12.37 | alterego | I'm getting so many instruction errors from qemu. |
| 16:12.40 | timelyx | fwiw, i did actually write a patch to some of the code referenced in that ohloh commit :) |
| 16:12.47 | alterego | What did nokia screw up with glibc? |
| 16:13.07 | timelyx | last i checked qemu's abi support was at least one arm level less than the device |
| 16:13.11 | timelyx | and that used by the compiler :) |
| 16:13.19 | alterego | :/ |
| 16:13.24 | alterego | That's really usefull. |
| 16:13.43 | alterego | Considering a lot of the tools needed to compiles packages are built in sbox first. |
| 16:13.43 | timelyx | useful would be someone paying someone to fix qemu |
| 16:13.47 | timelyx | don't ask me if that's being done |
| 16:14.14 | timelyx | simplest solution is to abandon scratchbox |
| 16:14.21 | timelyx | proper cross compiling would be better |
| 16:14.28 | alterego | Hmm. |
| 16:14.39 | alterego | I wouldn't know where to begin. |
| 16:14.56 | timelyx | apt-get remove scratchbox |
| 16:14.56 | alterego | So this is a qemu issue? |
| 16:15.10 | timelyx | i'm not sure what you're seeing |
| 16:15.18 | timelyx | but assuming i've picked the right problem, yes |
| 16:15.28 | alterego | I just keep getting loads of unsupported instruction errors. |
| 16:15.44 | timelyx | that'd match what i'm describing |
| 16:16.02 | alterego | Well, that's not good .. |
| 16:16.21 | alterego | I have no chance of continuing with ruby-maemo if I can't even compile my software O_o |
| 16:16.48 | timelyx | glibc is open source, no? |
| 16:16.51 | alterego | Compile/Test |
| 16:16.56 | timelyx | presumably you can apt-get source |
| 16:17.08 | timelyx | and then rebuild w/ a qemu supported arm target |
| 16:17.31 | timelyx | but it would seem odd for the sdk to not actually *work* |
| 16:17.35 | alterego | Would a package built in that way still work on the device? |
| 16:17.45 | timelyx | sure |
| 16:17.58 | timelyx | theoretically it should be slower |
| 16:18.03 | alterego | I'll give it a go. |
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| 16:18.14 | alterego | I'm gonna blame you if my computer explodes though :P |
| 16:18.19 | db48x | arrg |
| 16:18.26 | timelyx | if you aren't using vmware to host this stuff, you're nuts |
| 16:18.30 | timelyx | and i so don't support you :) |
| 16:18.31 | db48x | you have to take out the battery just to download the latest firmware? |
| 16:18.39 | timelyx | ? |
| 16:18.42 | timelyx | for n800? |
| 16:18.47 | timelyx | not if it's bootable |
| 16:18.50 | db48x | oh, not on the n800 |
| 16:18.52 | timelyx | about in control panel has the answer |
| 16:19.01 | db48x | timelyx: haha, very funny |
| 16:19.01 | alterego | I'm not using VMWare :P |
| 16:19.21 | timelyx | alterego: your first mistake |
| 16:19.30 | timelyx | db48x: confused |
| 16:19.32 | alterego | If my computer was capable I would .. |
| 16:19.37 | alterego | I have a very shit computer. |
| 16:19.40 | timelyx | you can grab any version you like if you have vpn |
| 16:20.01 | timelyx | i have a p2/450 and a g5/1.6ghz |
| 16:20.11 | timelyx | which of those is going to run scratchbox well? |
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| 16:21.41 | db48x | Error reading FIASCO header: Success |
| 16:21.54 | timelyx | lol |
| 16:21.57 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:22.15 | db48x | it's a fiasco all right |
| 16:22.16 | alterego | Hmm. |
| 16:22.23 | sp3000 | success not being a fiasco, that's one kind of consistent |
| 16:22.29 | alterego | Neither. Unless you can get vmware for the g5 :P |
| 16:22.43 | alterego | I just don't have enough RAM in this craptop. |
| 16:22.52 | alterego | I'll buy a new laptop next week. |
| 16:22.57 | timelyx | i have 2 1/4 g in my mac |
| 16:23.09 | alterego | Not sure I can keep on using this POS for much longer :) |
| 16:23.11 | timelyx | 150mb free |
| 16:23.14 | db48x | ah, I see |
| 16:23.22 | sp3000 | that reminds me, I need to shop for some ram |
| 16:23.24 | db48x | I just hadn't quite finished downloading the file |
| 16:23.28 | sp3000 | heh |
| 16:23.40 | alterego | What are the chances of doing tablet dev on a mac? |
| 16:23.48 | alterego | Ooo .. With Hypervisor VM .. |
| 16:23.54 | timelyx | alterego: successfully at this point? not very good |
| 16:23.57 | timelyx | i looked at sb2 |
| 16:24.01 | timelyx | and it was really not ready |
| 16:24.06 | alterego | I was thinking of using the vt extensions. |
| 16:24.26 | timelyx | so, is there a way to read planet or news based on Hearts? :) |
| 16:24.28 | db48x | alterego: I tried getting xen to work yesterday |
| 16:24.40 | alterego | db48x, Any luck? |
| 16:24.49 | db48x | not really |
| 16:25.06 | alterego | :/ |
| 16:25.34 | db48x | the gui control panel didn't always work (buttons that didn't do anything when you clicked them, for example), and the command line stuff sometimes hung forever trying to create a vm |
| 16:25.48 | alterego | I have no idea how to select a qemu supported arm target .. |
| 16:26.40 | timelyx | i'm not a build person :) |
| 16:26.46 | alterego | pfft. |
| 16:27.12 | Jaffa | Ev'ning, all. |
| 16:27.25 | timelyx | hi |
| 16:28.19 | timelyx | ooh, superman 2 is on |
| 16:28.31 | Jaffa | Kneel before Zod! |
| 16:28.45 | alterego | :) |
| 16:28.48 | timelyx | Hot dog? Hot dog. |
| 16:28.59 | timelyx | Oh could I have some orange juice? Freshly squeezed... |
| 16:29.27 | alterego | Shame I can't do cputransp. That would solve my problems .. |
| 16:29.42 | timelyx | bah superman 2 gets the physics right |
| 16:29.47 | Jaffa | czr: there's also a post about it on the top of p.m.o at the moment :-) |
| 16:29.49 | sp3000 | timelyx: http://maemo.org/news/ I suppose |
| 16:29.55 | timelyx | hey, are they on the american or canadian side? |
| 16:30.12 | sp3000 | for some definition of read |
| 16:31.12 | sp3000 | unless 20+ hearts aims at 0 items :) |
| 16:31.16 | timelyx | sp3000: cool |
| 16:31.55 | timelyx | sp3000: *grumble* everywhere i look, i'm "timeless -" |
| 16:31.57 | alterego | Okay, got that. Now how do I know which arch qemu will be good at? |
| 16:32.00 | timelyx | what kind of name is that? |
| 16:32.07 | sp3000 | dashing |
| 16:34.47 | alterego | NO Jaffa !!!! |
| 16:35.11 | Jaffa | I'll appreciate the N810 even more when it arrives having been deviceless for a week or two. |
| 16:35.27 | Andy80 | :) |
| 16:35.49 | alterego | When I recieved my N800 ~3 months back. IT was like love at first sight :) |
| 16:35.54 | Jaffa | Andy80: thanks for the blog post (which is on pmo) saying dist-upgrade works :) |
| 16:36.10 | l7 | http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/so-you-want-to-be-nokia-internet-tablet.html |
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| 16:36.32 | db48x | timeless: so why do you think installing this updated maemo-launcher failed? |
| 16:37.01 | l7 | hey, is anyone running scratchbox on VMware? |
| 16:37.08 | alterego | czr, you knew a little about this. I'm trying to compile glibc for a subarch better supported by qemu so I can build packages correctly. Do you know what subarch I should choose? |
| 16:37.08 | Andy80 | Jaffa: nothing :) thanks to Janne Johansson that helpend me on the mailing list :) |
| 16:37.16 | timelyx | did you lose all your packages? |
| 16:37.36 | czr | alterego, armel? :-) I have no idea with arm |
| 16:37.45 | alterego | :/ |
| 16:38.00 | alterego | I can't compile packages due to unknown instructions >:( |
| 16:38.45 | db48x | timelyx: I lost a lot of stuff I had installed, yea |
| 16:38.57 | itnomad | built in gps receiver!!! |
| 16:39.01 | timelyx | that's probably not so good :) |
| 16:39.18 | db48x | agreed |
| 16:39.21 | Andy80 | Jaffa: one little note.... the target's name remain the same.... SDK_BETA_x86 and SDK_BETA_ARM... I don't know how to rename them |
| 16:39.37 | alterego | You can rename them manuall. |
| 16:39.39 | alterego | You can rename them manually |
| 16:39.48 | Andy80 | alterego: how? |
| 16:39.49 | db48x | I hadn't backed much of anything up |
| 16:40.03 | timelyx | also not good :) |
| 16:40.08 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.30 | alterego | You need to change the .config file and rename the directory. |
| 16:40.34 | db48x | so, if installing this package causes the machine to reboot, the proper method would be to compose a new flash image and update my n800 with it, right? |
| 16:40.54 | alterego | SBOX_TARGET_NAME and SBOX_TARGET_DIR |
| 16:41.10 | elb | ugh, why /scratchbox :-P |
| 16:41.13 | timelyx | db48x: you could try to make sure you don't get other things replaced |
| 16:41.18 | timelyx | or removed |
| 16:41.36 | alterego | elb, '/' is relative to the parent directory :P |
| 16:41.39 | db48x | how? |
| 16:41.43 | Andy80 | alterego: not so easy... there are a lot of links to fix and rename |
| 16:41.45 | elb | alterego: not if you use the .debs |
| 16:41.57 | Andy80 | elb: I used .debs |
| 16:42.02 | alterego | Andy80, oh. I just thought that'd work :) |
| 16:42.27 | alterego | Anyhow, I just edited the nokia installer scripts to install under - maemoX-sdk-armel |
| 16:42.28 | elb | Andy80: and installed to a different prefix? |
| 16:42.30 | alterego | or i386 |
| 16:42.30 | zoran | making environment variables could make an issue less annoying |
| 16:42.31 | Andy80 | elb: and even after the upgrade, the name remain |
| 16:42.50 | Andy80 | elb: no... I simply used the script provided by Maemo website |
| 16:43.00 | Andy80 | and didn't change the prefix or path... |
| 16:43.07 | elb | (the comments in maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh indicate that it installs to /scratchbox, and that's Just It) |
| 16:43.14 | elb | Andy80: so your install is in /scratchbox? |
| 16:43.20 | Andy80 | elb: yes |
| 16:43.27 | elb | right ... not helpful to me |
| 16:43.34 | elb | I don't have enough space on / |
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| 16:44.29 | timelyx | can't you make a mountpoint for /scratchbox ? |
| 16:44.30 | Andy80 | one question: what is the difference, once I'm logged into my scratchbox environment, doing: apt-get install something or doing fakeroot apt-get install something ? |
| 16:44.48 | timelyx | the former should fail? :) |
| 16:44.50 | elb | timelyx: this is a laptop, and all available partitions are already mounted |
| 16:44.52 | db48x | wtf |
| 16:44.55 | db48x | now my wifi doesn't work |
| 16:45.35 | timelyx | elb: bah, good luck w/ the symlink |
| 16:45.37 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:45.48 | alterego | db48x, to a cold boot. Take out battery and wait a few seconds. |
| 16:45.59 | db48x | hrm |
| 16:46.00 | db48x | works now |
| 16:46.04 | db48x | must have been a fluke |
| 16:46.12 | elb | timelyx: it's doing ... something ;-) |
| 16:47.00 | alterego | How easy is it to make a scratchbox devkit? Like perl? |
| 16:47.12 | astro76 | is there a trick to getting the battery out of an n800? |
| 16:47.22 | zerojay | Um.. you pull it out? |
| 16:47.23 | db48x | screwdriver |
| 16:47.37 | alterego | astro76, take the back of and tap the front with your hand under the battery. |
| 16:47.39 | alterego | Then catch |
| 16:47.45 | timelyx | bang the device against your hand |
| 16:47.48 | zerojay | You could damage the battery with the screwdriver. |
| 16:47.54 | astro76 | it won't come out with my fingernail, it's really tight |
| 16:48.43 | astro76 | tapping is also unsuccessful |
| 16:48.50 | zerojay | Maybe I don't feel sympathetic because I spent about a year and a half pulling out phone batteries and swapping sims daily. |
| 16:48.52 | alterego | I'm so crap. I've lost my stylus like 5 times today. |
| 16:49.01 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:49.31 | db48x | alterego: I keep doing that too |
| 16:49.48 | alterego | It just fell down the side of my bed this time :/ |
| 16:49.53 | db48x | heh |
| 16:51.32 | alterego | It's very annoying. |
| 16:51.42 | alterego | I think I'm going to attach a bit of thread to if from my tablet :) |
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| 16:54.28 | itnomad | put a rubber band around your wrist and park your stylus there. |
| 16:54.50 | alterego | I should just super glue it in place. |
| 16:54.58 | alterego | Use it as a 5th finger. |
| 16:55.05 | db48x | heh |
| 16:55.41 | alterego | The N800 stylus is super comfy compared the the 770's |
| 16:55.53 | alterego | I wonder what the N810's will be like. |
| 16:56.12 | itnomad | I think everything about the n800 is better than the 770 |
| 16:56.33 | alterego | Yeah. |
| 16:56.41 | itnomad | except maybe the appearance. I like the slick look of the 770. |
| 16:56.58 | alterego | I always thought the 770 looked like a toy. |
| 16:57.05 | itnomad | I fell off my chair when it showed up in that Blue Surfer movie. |
| 16:57.05 | alterego | The N800 is far more serious a device. |
| 16:57.30 | timelyx | silver |
| 16:57.44 | timelyx | yeah, nokia has some marketing connections |
| 16:57.47 | itnomad | timelyx: indeed..thanks. |
| 16:57.51 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:57.54 | alterego | That was funny. |
| 16:58.02 | timelyx | i see lots of nokia phones placed in movies |
| 16:58.11 | alterego | Yeah, Matrix .. |
| 16:58.16 | timelyx | but, i think that's basically money |
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| 17:00.06 | timelyx | otoh, it doesn't seem like nokia can get products placed in tv shows |
| 17:00.12 | alterego | I came up with this cool idea for a desktop applet. |
| 17:00.32 | timelyx | superman.powers*=0 |
| 17:00.36 | alterego | Hopefully I'll finish ruby-hildon-desktop this evening and be able to work on it. |
| 17:01.34 | alterego | After I've released 0.3.0 for maemo4 .. |
| 17:01.39 | itnomad | I'd like to see a radar detector that pops up on the GPS screen of the n810 when needed |
| 17:01.47 | timelyx | heh |
| 17:01.48 | itnomad | :) |
| 17:01.54 | timelyx | the chinook sdk got 1 thumbs down |
| 17:03.07 | alterego | I'd say it's an improvement. Though, that's probably from an API perspective. It's hard to tell how things are working at lower lever. |
| 17:04.03 | alterego | Though, there's a repeat of some bad practises from the old hildon api repeating in the new hildon-desktop API I noticed. |
| 17:04.10 | alterego | Odd naming conventions. |
| 17:04.11 | pupnik | 'lower lever' ... huhuhuh </beavis> |
| 17:04.46 | pupnik | greets |
| 17:05.22 | alterego | Which means, if they fix it like the did with the old oddities. Then there's another API break .. |
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| 17:12.28 | xadap | hi :) |
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| 17:15.40 | pupnik | good $day |
| 17:20.59 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=92973&postcount=19 |
| 17:24.54 | lopz | re |
| 17:26.00 | db48x | yarg |
| 17:26.04 | db48x | ssh is timing out again |
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| 17:26.34 | Monkulus | timelyx, nokia's not so great at movie product placement. |
| 17:27.03 | Monkulus | After all, are they in Superman 2? Does Zod conquer with the unholy union of IT and Symbian phone? Does Superman kneel at the sight of a slide out keyboard? |
| 17:28.23 | Luria | I wonder if anyone paid for placement in Superman 4. I would have sued for damages. |
| 17:28.50 | pupnik | we saw 770 in a movie i think |
| 17:29.13 | Luria | pupnik, FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer. |
| 17:29.45 | Luria | it's Reed Richards's X10 controller, more or less. |
| 17:30.03 | Luria | plus a world emergency rss feed. |
| 17:30.05 | alterego | Yeah, that was fun. |
| 17:30.09 | Luria | I need that. |
| 17:32.22 | pupnik | Hildon Input Method: Insensitive Press... |
| 17:32.29 | Luria | meh, I want my os 2008 already, so I can get the two day long hassle of getting everything back to where it was over with. |
| 17:32.59 | Luria | lol |
| 17:33.21 | Luria | i searched for "mass attraction" on wikipedia |
| 17:33.26 | Luria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=mass%20attraction&go=go&sourceid=customizegoogle |
| 17:34.00 | Luria | i think the search engine took it a bit too literally. |
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| 17:38.15 | pupnik | any thoughts about miniSD card brands? |
| 17:38.55 | maddler | pupnik: SanDisk... |
| 17:39.06 | maddler | imho |
| 17:39.52 | pupnik | wow 2GB only 14 euro |
| 17:40.13 | pupnik | ty |
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| 17:51.10 | killfill | hey.. |
| 17:51.19 | killfill | cna i install chincook on a N800? |
| 17:51.30 | killfill | cannot find the image(s)... |
| 17:51.32 | killfill | :( |
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| 17:52.52 | alterego | killfill, it's not out yet. |
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| 17:55.29 | killfill | anyone alife.. :) |
| 17:55.52 | alterego | It is not out yet. |
| 17:55.54 | maddler | hmmm... did anyone noticed the N810's USB connector shape? |
| 17:56.03 | maddler | killfill: you gotta wait... |
| 17:56.04 | alterego | maddler, it's smaller than the standard mini. |
| 17:56.12 | alterego | MicroUSB probably ^_^ |
| 17:56.15 | maddler | alterego: right... |
| 17:56.20 | killfill | ah.. its just for 810 today isnit? |
| 17:56.22 | alterego | It looks identical though. |
| 17:56.38 | alterego | killfill, no. It will be released for the N800 too. But it's not out yet! |
| 17:57.16 | killfill | oh.. wanted to add something funny to do this sunday.. :S |
| 17:57.32 | hircus | maddler: it's confirmed to be micro-USB, from the reviews I've seen |
| 17:57.36 | zerojay | It'll probably be another two or three Sundays before you can do that on the N800. |
| 17:57.45 | maddler | yep... |
| 17:57.46 | maddler | http://europe.nokia.com/A4448100 |
| 17:58.00 | maddler | CA-101 usb cable... |
| 17:58.03 | killfill | oh that far away?.. 1 moth?.. |
| 17:58.26 | killfill | damn. |
| 17:58.27 | zerojay | A week or two after the N810 launch. |
| 17:58.27 | Andy80 | maddler: what is microUSB? |
| 17:58.38 | maddler | ANDY! :D |
| 17:58.40 | maddler | :D |
| 17:58.45 | maddler | a smaller USB connector... |
| 17:59.00 | maddler | just to avoid you can use same cable with all you devices... ;) |
| 17:59.05 | timelyx | zerojay: jaffa |
| 17:59.06 | maddler | I hate that!!! |
| 17:59.19 | timelyx | i think it's designed to support usb-otg |
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| 18:00.19 | killfill | "OS2008 are both fully compatible with the Nokia N810 and N800".. guess it means it is compatible with n800 in the future.. :P |
| 18:00.29 | Andy80 | maddler: ahhh ok :) |
| 18:00.48 | hircus | killfill: as I understand it, the N800 update will be released simultaneously with the N810 launch |
| 18:01.17 | Andy80 | maddler: the one on the left? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USB_types_2.jpg |
| 18:01.19 | zerojay | hircus: That's what's been publically stated but someone in the know said they expect it to be a week or two after launch. |
| 18:01.25 | hircus | it's the exact same hardware, minus the FM and SD reader, plus the GPS, keyboard and mini-SD |
| 18:01.26 | killfill | aah.. what was release was only the sdk, not the "user" images? |
| 18:01.32 | hircus | zerojay: ah ok |
| 18:01.58 | hircus | killfill: the recent Chinook announcement? yes |
| 18:02.19 | killfill | aAAah... |
| 18:02.22 | hircus | I was wondering why my SDK had no updates available for weeks, but when I updated yesterday there was an avalanche of updates |
| 18:02.46 | timelyx | hircus: and the transflexive screen |
| 18:02.50 | Andy80 | hircus: maybe becase SDK 4.0 final is out :) ?? |
| 18:03.31 | Andy80 | where can I get more information about the n810 touch screen? is it more similar to iPhone one? |
| 18:03.38 | hircus | timelyx: yes, but that's not dependent on OS |
| 18:03.47 | hircus | Andy80: yes, that's what I meant when I told killfill :) |
| 18:03.53 | timelyx | hircus: ok, ambient light sensor? |
| 18:04.00 | hircus | oh yes, actually, the light sensor -- you beat me to it |
| 18:04.23 | hircus | but it's the kind of thing that they could include in the image for N800 and it would not do any harm |
| 18:04.29 | hircus | (apart from taking up space) |
| 18:04.35 | timelyx | actually |
| 18:04.42 | timelyx | i believe it's supposed to behave differently |
| 18:04.53 | timelyx | although i haven't run itos2008 images on the n800 |
| 18:05.10 | timelyx | because at least on the n810 you get fewer brightness settings than in itos2007 |
| 18:05.58 | Andy80 | timelyx: are you using the n810 at the moment? |
| 18:06.07 | timelyx | one or two |
| 18:06.08 | _Monkey | 3 |
| 18:06.18 | Andy80 | wow :) |
| 18:06.21 | timelyx | three or five |
| 18:06.22 | _Monkey | 7 |
| 18:06.28 | Andy80 | what about the screen? |
| 18:06.38 | timelyx | Andy80: there's no sun here |
| 18:06.39 | timelyx | ask in may |
| 18:06.44 | Andy80 | :D |
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| 18:07.24 | Andy80 | I was not talking about the readibility under the sun :P I was talking about the touching sensitivity... |
| 18:07.50 | timelyx | it took me a while before the n800 protos started wearing to the point they were unusable |
| 18:07.59 | timelyx | i've had <5weeks where i could use an n8100 |
| 18:08.00 | timelyx | er |
| 18:08.01 | timelyx | i've had <5weeks where i could use an n810 |
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| 18:08.27 | timelyx | and i'm balancing wear across 2 n810s, and maybe 4 n800s |
| 18:08.54 | timelyx | plus, there's no software to use |
| 18:09.03 | Andy80 | timelyx: and what do you do with all these devices :) ? |
| 18:09.12 | timelyx | browse the web |
| 18:09.17 | timelyx | try to get other people to use them |
| 18:09.36 | timelyx | find embarrassing bugs |
| 18:09.39 | Andy80 | with all of them :D ??? you're an octopuss!!! :D |
| 18:09.45 | Andy80 | I'm joking ;) |
| 18:09.52 | timelyx | two for me, and 2 for two other people |
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| 18:11.00 | zerojay | Are you getting wear on the screen like I am? |
| 18:11.11 | timelyx | on the n800 proto i got wear |
| 18:11.21 | timelyx | the others haven't suffered too badly |
| 18:12.07 | zerojay | Mine's starting to cry. |
| 18:12.26 | zerojay | Selling it as soon as the N810 is up for order to a coworker. |
| 18:12.47 | zerojay | Not that I want to sell it, but to cover the cost of the N810. |
| 18:15.58 | pupnik | haven't seen any wear on the 770 - i assume the material is the same |
| 18:16.50 | zerojay | Maybe you don't do as much chatting as I do. |
| 18:17.12 | Andy80 | maddler: I'd like to organize an event, here in Italy, to spread the Maemo platform: introduction to maemo, installing the SDK, available development languages, ecc.... what do you think about? |
| 18:18.47 | maddler | Andy80: that could be interesting... |
| 18:19.06 | maddler | Andy80: also another friend got the Mail ;) |
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| 18:22.56 | alterego | Think I've persuaded my dad to get an N810 instead of pinching my N800 :) |
| 18:24.36 | zerojay | timelyx: E-mail me your address. jay@jablet.net |
| 18:25.39 | xadap | i've found a battery on ebay, BP-5L |
| 18:25.41 | xadap | 5€ |
| 18:25.55 | xadap | would you trust it? :/ |
| 18:26.17 | alterego | Would I trust anything? |
| 18:26.33 | xadap | GNU/Linux, of course |
| 18:26.38 | alterego | Pfft. |
| 18:26.41 | alterego | Not likely. |
| 18:26.43 | xadap | haha |
| 18:26.52 | xadap | the point is that comes from a chinese seller |
| 18:26.58 | alterego | When it comes to software it's hard to trust anything. |
| 18:27.00 | xadap | and they doesn't speak spanish very well |
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| 18:29.32 | maddler | xadap: I wouldn't... |
| 18:29.32 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 18:29.38 | alterego | I seem to spend more time looking at maemo source than I do my own :/ |
| 18:29.45 | maddler | hi bedboi |
| 18:30.13 | alterego | Anyhow, I think I'm nearly done now :) |
| 18:30.14 | bedboi | is there a way to find out the version of maemo installed? |
| 18:30.21 | alterego | bedboi, on a tablet? |
| 18:30.24 | bedboi | nope |
| 18:30.27 | alterego | SDK? |
| 18:30.27 | bedboi | at compile time |
| 18:30.28 | _Monkey | i heard SDK was not complete yet, anyway |
| 18:30.49 | alterego | bedboi, check for libraries. |
| 18:30.51 | bedboi | _Monkey: shut your mouth. |
| 18:30.51 | _Monkey | bedboi: excuse me? |
| 18:30.54 | alterego | hildon-1 for Maemo4 |
| 18:30.59 | elb | boo for infobots |
| 18:31.01 | alterego | hildon-libs for maemo3 |
| 18:31.14 | bedboi | yep i know this, it would be convenient to have something like MAEMO_VERSION |
| 18:31.14 | alterego | Not sure about maemo2 |
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| 18:31.25 | alterego | Well, you could set that yourself ;) |
| 18:31.35 | alterego | But no. There is no real way. |
| 18:31.42 | bedboi | alterego: ok. |
| 18:31.45 | alterego | You should really just be checking against the libraries you're using though. |
| 18:31.49 | bedboi | i was doing that way |
| 18:31.50 | alterego | The Maemo release doesn't matter. |
| 18:32.02 | alterego | You're not compiling against some Maemo lib after all ;) |
| 18:32.12 | bedboi | i'll just use ./configure --enable-chinhook |
| 18:32.22 | bedboi | because my app works on gpe too |
| 18:32.32 | alterego | chin-hook? Sounds painfull. |
| 18:32.37 | alterego | ;) |
| 18:32.48 | bedboi | ahha |
| 18:32.55 | bedboi | chinook |
| 18:32.56 | _Monkey | chinook is the tag name for OS2008 |
| 18:33.12 | bedboi | _Monkey: i said, please shut your bot-mouth |
| 18:33.13 | _Monkey | bedboi: excuse me? |
| 18:33.14 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:34.14 | xadap | is there any trouble with osso-statusbar-cpu and OS2007HE ? |
| 18:34.30 | alterego | xadap, you tell me. Are you having trouble? :) |
| 18:34.48 | xadap | yes, but i was asking for already known trouble :) |
| 18:35.02 | alterego | What is _your_ trouble? |
| 18:35.05 | xadap | i've installed it without problems and it doesn't wanna run :/ |
| 18:35.18 | alterego | Have you tried restarting? |
| 18:35.23 | xadap | twice |
| 18:35.29 | alterego | Hmm, |
| 18:35.31 | alterego | reinstalling? |
| 18:35.41 | xadap | i'm doing it at the moment |
| 18:35.55 | xadap | that's going to be the 3rd attempt |
| 18:36.30 | alterego | Doesn't sound too promising. |
| 18:36.32 | xadap | it doesn't work, again |
| 18:36.41 | alterego | Are you using seatbelt? |
| 18:37.02 | xadap | i didn't install it since OS2007HE doesn't crash |
| 18:37.08 | xadap | should I try it anyway? |
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| 18:37.11 | alterego | Yes |
| 18:37.26 | alterego | The crashes are programs stopping (or not starting) due to low memory. |
| 18:37.57 | xadap | agr, i thought crashes were unwanted reboots |
| 18:38.32 | alterego | I think that's something else. |
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| 18:42.31 | xadap | this time the computer crashed down, not the nokia |
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| 18:47.40 | xadap_ | well |
| 18:47.49 | xadap_ | seatbelt installed, nokia 770 rebooted |
| 18:48.00 | xadap_ | and cpu monitor doesn't work yet :/ |
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| 18:52.08 | xadap | haha |
| 18:52.11 | xadap | working! |
| 18:52.12 | _Monkey | i guess working is a big word, bug the content-type is right |
| 18:52.38 | xadap | in OS2006 mistral it used to be enabled automatically |
| 18:52.57 | xadap | in bora, i have to enable it from the control panel |
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| 18:55.48 | l7 | does anyone know if the n800 or n810 will support 16 or 32 gb cards? |
| 18:55.55 | l7 | mainly wondering about the n800 |
| 18:57.36 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93314 |
| 18:57.50 | penguinbait | 16GB looks like people are using it |
| 18:58.12 | zerojay | Gotta be super expensive. |
| 18:59.18 | l7 | penguinbait: ah yeah, i'm reading that one |
| 18:59.42 | l7 | There have been some problems with (in particular) SDHC cards, which could cause data/card corruptions. This has been resolved in the latest OS revision, but technically speaking the problems were caused by cards not fully following the SDHC specifications. |
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| 18:59.48 | l7 | Thus, Nokia is presumably a bit conservative with what they 'officially' support, but as mentioned above all types of cards should work as far as the filesystem/addressing is concerned. |
| 19:00.04 | l7 | the spectre of data corruption concerns me |
| 19:00.11 | penguinbait | It was a kernel bug |
| 19:00.28 | penguinbait | nothing to do with not following specs? |
| 19:00.53 | zerojay | It was a kernel bug, however the reason the cards died is because they weren't following the specs. |
| 19:01.09 | l7 | he said it was caused by the SDHC cards not following spec.. |
| 19:01.13 | penguinbait | Ah, I had kingston, |
| 19:01.23 | l7 | hmm, any problems with kingston? |
| 19:01.28 | penguinbait | lots of corruption, but the card was always recoverable |
| 19:01.42 | l7 | hrm |
| 19:01.42 | penguinbait | not with new firmware |
| 19:01.51 | xadap | only with SD? |
| 19:01.52 | zerojay | That's the worst that should happen with cards that follow spec. |
| 19:01.56 | penguinbait | I have 8gb Kingston |
| 19:02.27 | l7 | i guess one could use a 16gb or 32gb card for mp3s / movies / maps |
| 19:02.37 | l7 | or whatever you have a second copy of |
| 19:02.47 | l7 | and keep stuff like email on an 8gb |
| 19:02.53 | l7 | if you were really worried |
| 19:03.30 | zerojay | As long as you know how to properly use cards, you should be fine. |
| 19:03.42 | zerojay | Though it appears that not many do know how to use them properly. |
| 19:03.43 | Andy80 | one question about os2008: video call is available only with Gizmo or with Skype too? |
| 19:03.50 | l7 | and as long as the brand is legit i suppose |
| 19:03.57 | l7 | has anyone had experience with a-data? |
| 19:04.13 | zerojay | Andy80: Video calling is available in IT2008.. it's the final version of the RTCOMM beta. |
| 19:04.27 | zerojay | So far just works tablet to tablet though as far as I know. |
| 19:04.41 | zerojay | Skype doesn't have video calling on the tablets. |
| 19:04.41 | l7 | i've found mentions of a-data cards corrupting data or being excessively fragile |
| 19:05.00 | l7 | i guess you pays your money and takes your chances |
| 19:05.00 | Andy80 | zerojay: so, it only works with Gizmo, right? |
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| 19:05.30 | zerojay | Well, with a beta of Gizmo it worked the one time I tried it. |
| 19:05.35 | zerojay | But it's all very experimental. |
| 19:05.46 | zerojay | Don't buy a tablet expecting to video call anyone. |
| 19:06.24 | Andy80 | mmm... so what is the application that better support video calling on os2008 ? |
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| 19:07.04 | zerojay | ... |
| 19:07.24 | penguinbait | I am hoping 2008OS brings 800 and 810 together for vide calling |
| 19:07.25 | Andy80 | sorry... maybe I didn't understand something :\ |
| 19:08.03 | Andy80 | is it only supported by os2008 API's? |
| 19:08.11 | zerojay | penguinbait: Pretty sure we'll be able to do N800 -> N810 without a problem. |
| 19:08.35 | penguinbait | Are the camer specs better on 810? |
| 19:08.36 | zerojay | Andy80: Unless you have a tablet at both ends, there is no video calling solution for you. |
| 19:08.41 | zerojay | penguinbait: I believe so. |
| 19:08.50 | zerojay | penguinbait: Maybe even VGA. |
| 19:09.09 | penguinbait | I hope so |
| 19:09.14 | zerojay | Andy80: Gizmo has a beta, but it doesn't work very well and I believe it was recently removed. |
| 19:09.24 | penguinbait | God I wish it was released |
| 19:09.26 | Andy80 | zerojay: ok... so only support from a tablet to another... ok. |
| 19:09.34 | zerojay | For now, yes. |
| 19:09.42 | zerojay | Nokia's working on something for it though, I'm pretty sure. |
| 19:10.02 | zerojay | To replace the call invitation beta they used to have (and that I used to use a lot). |
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| 19:11.13 | penguinbait | They need to deliver a useable product, that call invitation was garbage |
| 19:11.34 | zerojay | Well, it was labeled a beta so that's kind of to be expected. |
| 19:11.41 | zerojay | It didn't work all that well. |
| 19:12.32 | penguinbait | Lots of people bought n800 thinking they could wasily make video calls |
| 19:12.37 | penguinbait | that was not the case |
| 19:12.45 | zerojay | Honestly, I don't really care about video calling anymore anyways. |
| 19:12.57 | penguinbait | s/wasily/easily |
| 19:13.05 | penguinbait | me either |
| 19:13.17 | zerojay | The people I used to video call are now living with me so... |
| 19:13.27 | penguinbait | not the point though, cant advertise it then deliver nothing |
| 19:13.30 | kpel | so you can't hide from them :) |
| 19:13.38 | zerojay | They didn't advertize it. I don't think. |
| 19:14.12 | penguinbait | Internet calling with web camera |
| 19:14.14 | penguinbait | ? |
| 19:14.22 | zerojay | Where's that? |
| 19:14.29 | penguinbait | I am reading my box |
| 19:14.32 | penguinbait | :) |
| 19:14.42 | zerojay | It had that. |
| 19:14.49 | zerojay | They took it away, but they had that. |
| 19:15.05 | zerojay | I just didn't remember it being on the box. |
| 19:15.30 | penguinbait | It was, and is on mine,not sure if they removed it? |
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| 19:15.43 | zerojay | I'll take a look at mine. |
| 19:16.13 | penguinbait | right on top,of the back, third sentence |
| 19:16.30 | kpel | so you can't do a video call using a google account ? |
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| 19:16.31 | penguinbait | Agaoin I dont use iteither |
| 19:16.41 | penguinbait | but |
| 19:17.05 | hexa | it's in their flash anim for the n800 too ... |
| 19:18.17 | penguinbait | On another note, I got most of Koffice going this morning :) |
| 19:18.27 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11590&goto=newpost |
| 19:18.56 | penguinbait | Kspread and Kchart are the only ones not working in the suite |
| 19:20.39 | TPC- | can you draw in krita using the touch screen? |
| 19:21.15 | zerojay | Krita should allow you to even use different pressures. |
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| 19:22.19 | timelE61i | today's gem.... |
| 19:22.21 | penguinbait | Not sure if Krita compiled, loking now |
| 19:22.22 | penguinbait | ? |
| 19:22.30 | timelE61i | application manager: |
| 19:23.09 | timelE61i | (i) Unable to install %s. |
| 19:23.16 | zerojay | lol |
| 19:23.27 | timelE61i | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.30 | zerojay | Over escaping? |
| 19:23.36 | timelE61i | (OK) |
| 19:23.52 | timelE61i | dunno. Not quite sure i want to look |
| 19:24.13 | timelE61i | i'd vote for undertesting |
| 19:24.19 | zerojay | timelE61i: E-mail me your meatspace address. |
| 19:24.28 | penguinbait | No Krita either, I may have chosen not to compile it because of deps, I will see if I can get it working also when I try to fix kspread and kchart |
| 19:24.51 | timelE61i | Zerojay: k, lemme walk home |
| 19:25.22 | zerojay | timelE61i: XviD AVIs burned to DVD alright with you? |
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| 19:31.46 | timelE61i | include commercials :) |
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| 19:32.09 | zerojay | Haha.. miss Colgate and McDonalds commercials? |
| 19:32.32 | timelE61i | we don't get high quality ones here |
| 19:33.21 | zerojay | Well, these already have commercials cut out, but I could always download a torrent of commercials. heh. |
| 19:36.30 | timelyx | we do actually have those two, although they don't seem to be very good and i don't understand them |
| 19:36.44 | zerojay | Hah. |
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| 19:53.23 | alterego | Woo, we have compilation success! |
| 19:53.57 | timelyx | what'd you build? |
| 19:54.13 | alterego | My rubypluginloader |
| 19:54.34 | alterego | For making desktop plugins, (task navigator, home and statusbar) |
| 19:54.49 | alterego | writen in ruby. |
| 19:56.34 | alterego | Now I've gotta figure out how to use it :) |
| 19:57.39 | alterego | That is .. Figure out where to put my loader. |
| 19:58.16 | timelyx | heh, they made an edward scissorhands ballet |
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| 19:59.17 | db48x | does the kernel on the n800 support FUSE? |
| 19:59.46 | timelyx | usbnet is a loadable kernel module, no? |
| 20:00.17 | kulve | db48x: probably no, but shouldn't be a problem to compile |
| 20:00.22 | kulve | timelyx: iirc, yes |
| 20:00.28 | timelyx | if so, the question is basically "does fuse build against kernel x", no? |
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| 20:00.48 | timelyx | or are not all loadable kernel modules created equal? |
| 20:01.21 | alterego | Bah. |
| 20:01.31 | alterego | Compiling a kernel module isn't easy for MAemo. |
| 20:02.13 | db48x | alterego: what does it entail? |
| 20:02.14 | kulve | alterego: I disagree.. |
| 20:02.30 | zerojay | timelyx: You think the tablets have some embarassing bugs.. |
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| 20:02.44 | zerojay | timelyx: Guitar Hero 3 for the Wii.. a music game... |
| 20:02.47 | timelyx | i'll gladly trade |
| 20:02.58 | timelyx | i think i've offered more than enough bugs :) |
| 20:03.15 | zerojay | timelyx: Their final build has forced mono sound. |
| 20:03.25 | timelyx | lol |
| 20:03.48 | zerojay | "oops, forgot to remove that one define there..." |
| 20:03.53 | db48x | heh |
| 20:04.12 | db48x | ok, I've got a working maemo-summoner on my n800 |
| 20:04.30 | db48x | I just can't install that particular deb, so I'll have to keep this separate copy around |
| 20:05.20 | zerojay | Wii fan on Digg: "My TV only supports mono anyway, but I don't think many people can tell the difference unless they are audiophiles." |
| 20:05.21 | db48x | hrm. why do I get a permission denied when I try to run something from /media/mmc2? |
| 20:05.22 | zerojay | wtf |
| 20:05.34 | kulve | db48x: it's mounted noexec |
| 20:05.39 | elb | HAH, I was worried about disk space on this laptop, and there's apparently 10GB of an unused Linux install here :-P |
| 20:05.40 | db48x | zerojay: hah |
| 20:05.41 | db48x | kulve: ahhh |
| 20:06.24 | elb | Linux has been installed twice on this laptop since ... looks like about 2004 |
| 20:06.28 | elb | 2005, rather |
| 20:06.31 | elb | WHO KNEW |
| 20:06.31 | timelyx | zerojay: they still make tvs w/ mono out? |
| 20:07.03 | zerojay | timelyx: Like I said, he's a Wii fan. He'll say anything to try not to look bad. |
| 20:07.25 | db48x | timelyx: most cheap tvs are still mono |
| 20:08.00 | db48x | though I don't think I've ever seen one that didn't have stereo output |
| 20:08.19 | zerojay | db48x: Even cheap TVs sold these days have shit like SVIDEO and Stereo.. even simulated surround. |
| 20:08.54 | db48x | zerojay: hmm. the cheapo I have is mono, but it has svideo out |
| 20:09.07 | db48x | err, svideo input |
| 20:09.59 | timelyx | are Axe commercials as annoying in the states as they are here? |
| 20:11.11 | kulve | try asking some non-maemo -channel.. |
| 20:11.19 | elb | timelyx: yes |
| 20:11.29 | db48x | commercials are almost uniformly annoying |
| 20:11.33 | timelyx | kulve: wfm :) |
| 20:12.17 | db48x | why does the backup utility limit what characters you can use in the filename? |
| 20:12.32 | timelyx | the target is a fat volume |
| 20:12.38 | timelyx | what character are you trying to use? |
| 20:12.46 | db48x | a / |
| 20:12.54 | pupnik | haha |
| 20:12.54 | db48x | oh, right. it's fat |
| 20:13.06 | elb | / is an invalid character on *any* Unix filesystem |
| 20:13.17 | elb | at least, as far as the VFS is concerned |
| 20:13.26 | elb | (it's the directory separator) |
| 20:13.37 | timelyx | elb: ntfs has a way for it to work :) |
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| 20:13.47 | timelyx | it sticks it into a custom codepage |
| 20:13.53 | elb | timelyx: presumably they fix it before the VFS gets to it? |
| 20:13.55 | timelyx | (used for services for macintosh) |
| 20:14.02 | timelyx | elb: no need |
| 20:14.04 | elb | (so that, from the Unix side, it looks like som eother character) |
| 20:14.04 | db48x | yea, I suppose that's true |
| 20:14.05 | timelyx | it isn't "/" |
| 20:14.12 | elb | right, that's my point |
| 20:14.16 | timelyx | it's some unicode character ... |
| 20:14.24 | alterego | Right, I know where the loader goes .. Now to write a home plugin .. |
| 20:14.27 | timelyx | but for services for mac, it's a real "/" |
| 20:14.33 | elb | sure |
| 20:14.34 | timelyx | because in mac, the path sep was ":" |
| 20:14.46 | elb | Unicode has a 'record separator' character |
| 20:15.01 | timelyx | they didn't use that |
| 20:15.03 | elb | it may even have a path separator character, I forget |
| 20:15.11 | timelyx | because they had a bunch of characters they needed to map |
| 20:15.17 | elb | which would be the appropriate *disk* format for a Unicode FS; but the Unix VFS in Linux would still reserve / :-) |
| 20:16.12 | timelyx | filing a bug against application manager is too hard |
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| 20:20.45 | db48x | hrm |
| 20:20.51 | db48x | oh |
| 20:21.01 | db48x | odd, I'm running Opera again somehow |
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| 20:26.46 | db48x | somethign is screwy |
| 20:26.52 | db48x | I can't get this thing to use microb |
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| 20:28.29 | db48x | maybe that package isn't actually installed, even though it gives me the option to use it |
| 20:29.47 | alterego | Unknown Plugin Loader type: ruby :( |
| 20:29.53 | alterego | That's helpful .. |
| 20:29.55 | alterego | :) |
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| 20:38.02 | db48x | stupid browser is crashing now |
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| 20:47.51 | maddler | damn... power failure... |
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| 20:53.50 | bedboi | is there any rumor about the OS2008 release date? |
| 20:53.58 | alterego | ~1 week |
| 20:54.07 | alterego | People are so impatient. |
| 20:54.11 | Andy80 | :) |
| 20:54.20 | alterego | January. |
| 20:54.23 | alterego | You'll have it by then. |
| 20:54.42 | Andy80 | maddler: the correct english way to say that is "la maiala dell'enel !!!" :D |
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| 20:56.43 | maddler | Andy80: "that piggish enel!!!" |
| 20:57.01 | maddler | btw... it was caused by a defective light switch... |
| 20:57.13 | Andy80 | maddler: no... if you don't say it in tuscany dialect, it doesn't have any sense ;) |
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| 20:58.04 | maddler | and before discovering that I feared it was a power plug hidden by a HUGE wardrobe! |
| 20:58.23 | maddler | Andy80: TRUE! |
| 20:58.24 | maddler | :D |
| 20:59.00 | maddler | btw... yes... having a local maemo-day sounds nice... |
| 20:59.07 | maddler | Andy80: do you know Giskard? :) |
| 20:59.20 | Andy80 | no... what/who is? |
| 20:59.29 | maddler | he's from Torino |
| 20:59.42 | maddler | a Gnome/Maemo hacker... :) |
| 20:59.59 | Andy80 | ah no, don't know him |
| 21:00.12 | maddler | ok... |
| 21:00.23 | maddler | btw... we could try to figure out what could be done... |
| 21:00.31 | maddler | and what we could do alltogether... |
| 21:01.38 | Andy80 | maddler: we should find a mid-way place to organize something. mmm.... Firenze would be great :) |
| 21:02.19 | maddler | why not... |
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| 21:11.56 | l7 | hey, are there any n800 users here who use it with a mac? |
| 21:12.20 | l7 | i heard that bluetooth file exchange won't work properly with an n800 and a mac :\ |
| 21:12.25 | alterego | Only when it's raining. |
| 21:13.21 | l7 | hmm, can you elaborate? |
| 21:13.42 | Luria | unless it's tuesday |
| 21:16.18 | alterego | Yes, Tuesdays I stay at home. So it doesn't matter if it's raining. |
| 21:17.09 | maddler | l7: try asking on maemo users' mailing list... |
| 21:17.39 | Luria | damn, heavy js is screwing with my firefox |
| 21:18.08 | alterego | Or ITT |
| 21:18.16 | Luria | i suspect im going to end up delteing my profile. |
| 21:19.49 | l7 | maddler: hmm ok |
| 21:21.01 | alterego | So, I've wrote a plugin loader. |
| 21:21.06 | alterego | But it's not being recognised .. |
| 21:21.31 | alterego | Should there be a file describing the plugin loader? |
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| 21:21.41 | alterego | Or does hildon dynamically load them all? |
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| 21:41.15 | l7 | i http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/sys/474690035.html |
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| 21:53.44 | eichi | is there ettercap and wireshark for maemo? |
| 21:56.43 | pupnik | "There is no try, only do, or do not." - Yoda |
| 21:57.38 | Andy80 | what is the wifi chipset of the n810? |
| 22:00.16 | maddler | hmmm... |
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| 22:01.37 | Sulis | there's an n810? |
| 22:02.30 | zeenix | Sulis: yes! welcome back to planet earth btw :) |
| 22:03.08 | Andy80 | :D |
| 22:03.29 | Sulis | heh, you mean planet maemo |
| 22:04.07 | Andy80 | no no... he means planet earth :) |
| 22:04.31 | Andy80 | Sulis: http://www.nokia.com/n810 |
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| 22:05.49 | maddler | Andy80: I'd say Conexant 3110 |
| 22:06.01 | maddler | at least from dmesg output... |
| 22:06.27 | Andy80 | maddler: dmesg?! uhm... how can you run a dmesg on a n810 right NOW :P ? |
| 22:07.12 | maddler | ehhh... who knows... |
| 22:08.19 | Sulis | Andy80, i believe that planet maemo is more acurate, knowledge of the n810 is not widespread on planet earth :P |
| 22:09.17 | Andy80 | Sulis: not for the moment :) |
| 22:09.40 | pupnik | 400 just *sounds* so much faster than 333 |
| 22:10.09 | Andy80 | well... it will have a faster cpu, that's right |
| 22:10.28 | maddler | pupnik: hehehe... sounds so... |
| 22:10.30 | maddler | brb |
| 22:14.27 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.44 | Jiten | pupnik: I think I heard that ITOS2008 would run n800's processor at 400Mhz also. Has Nokia changes their minds? |
| 22:25.01 | maddler | jiten... hmmm... kinda strange... |
| 22:25.15 | maddler | I wouldn't trust... |
| 22:25.27 | Jiten | it only runs 330 currently to conserve battery I heard. |
| 22:25.44 | maddler | never heard about that... |
| 22:26.11 | Jiten | there is a new system for powersaving that involves changing the frequency on the fly. |
| 22:26.30 | maddler | yes... slowing down CPU when not needed... |
| 22:26.50 | maddler | but it's kinda hard to believe nokia is going to overclock N800 CPU... |
| 22:27.10 | Jiten | it's not overclock, the chip is capable of 400Mhz |
| 22:27.18 | maddler | doh! :D |
| 22:27.22 | maddler | even better then! :D |
| 22:27.31 | Sho_ | Jaffa: Makes sense |
| 22:28.00 | Jiten | in fact, most of the time it's more downclock ;) |
| 22:29.36 | Jiten | anyway, n800 is at quite affordable price currently :) |
| 22:29.58 | maddler | Jiten: yep... 259 is a great price for it... |
| 22:30.07 | maddler | TTL here... |
| 22:30.13 | maddler | good night folks! :D |
| 22:30.17 | Jaffa | g'night |
| 22:30.33 | maddler | :) |
| 22:36.08 | pupnik | cu |
| 22:41.46 | pupnik | http://img.cifrovik.ru/images/publish/articles/10312/nokL2.jpg |
| 22:41.49 | pupnik | pretty |
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| 22:50.12 | bedboi | pupnik: yep it looks cool |
| 22:50.44 | bedboi | oh, website is now really better |
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| 23:22.20 | ywwg | I'm on ubuntu gutsy and I installed scratchbox, and now I'm trying to install python-maemo, but dpkg-reconfigure is not installed. how best to fix this? |
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| 23:27.38 | lopz | brb |
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| 23:39.45 | timelyx | maddler: the key about the cpu clock |
| 23:39.48 | timelyx | is that there's a trade off |
| 23:39.56 | timelyx | you can either run the cpu at full or the dsp at full, but not both |
| 23:40.07 | timelyx | you can also choose to run both at less than full... |
| 23:41.18 | timelyx | hrm, to test bluetooth on my mac, i'd have to fimnd my bluetooth usb widget |
| 23:41.27 | timelyx | it's unfortunately very small, and my desktop is very messy |
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| 23:45.26 | elb | so, I can't sb-conf select another target, because scratchbox says I have a session running -- but I've killed everything, and it doesn't seem to matter |
| 23:45.30 | elb | what might I be missing? |
| 23:45.38 | elb | (killed everything in ps) |
| 23:47.26 | timelyx | l7: yes bluetooth file exchange does not seem to approve of my n800 |
| 23:48.07 | elb | _|Nix|_: I no longer have an af-sb-init.sh, either, but I did at one time |
| 23:49.07 | _|Nix|_ | elb: AFAIK only x86 targets have af-sb-init.sh |
| 23:49.26 | elb | well ... I sb-conf select'd CHINOOK_ARMEL, then ran it, and it started |
| 23:49.40 | elb | and it was slow, and there were qemu processes doing work, so I assumed it was working ;-) |
| 23:50.09 | _|Nix|_ | ... and did it show up in xephyr? |
| 23:50.14 | elb | yeah |
| 23:50.22 | _|Nix|_ | Wow! |
| 23:50.47 | _|Nix|_ | I don't get it. I don't have an af-sb-init.sh even after I just ran apt-get upgrade |
| 23:51.06 | elb | I can't even run apt-get upgrade ;-) |
| 23:51.12 | elb | or apt-get update,f or that matter |
| 23:51.21 | _|Nix|_ | elb: Right, because of that lock thing. |
| 23:51.27 | timelyx | af-sb-init.sh |
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| 23:51.31 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=af-sb-init.sh |
| 23:51.37 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.46 | timelyx | do you have that package? |
| 23:52.10 | _|Nix|_ | Wha ... ? Huh ? Me ? |
| 23:52.16 | timelyx | sure? |
| 23:52.33 | elb | dpkg -l returns nothing, actually |
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| 23:53.10 | _|Nix|_ | Do you know how to check what arch dpkg and apt think they're on? |
| 23:53.34 | _|Nix|_ | I've found a combination of scratchbox parameters thar result in them thinking they're "arm" rather than "armel". |
| 23:53.39 | _|Nix|_ | That might be it. |
| 23:54.18 | elb | I just sb-conf rs'd and it's better :-P |
| 23:54.37 | _|Nix|_ | "better"? |
| 23:54.48 | elb | and I did *not* have hildon-initscripts -- installing it now |
| 23:55.14 | timelyx | nice |
| 23:55.22 | timelyx | trying to paste to my mac gave me: |
| 23:55.27 | timelyx | 1. Nothing to paste (info banner) |
| 23:55.33 | timelyx | 2. (i) Operation failed |
| 23:55.35 | timelyx | (OK) |
| 23:55.35 | elb | "better" in that dpkg-l now lists some packages |
| 23:55.38 | timelyx | (dialog) |
| 23:55.40 | l7 | timelyx: hrm, that is too bad |
| 23:55.59 | _|Nix|_ | elb: OK, good ... must've gotten rid of that lock issue. |
| 23:56.01 | l7 | i wonder if bluetooth file exchange is a problem on apple's end, or nokia's |
| 23:56.16 | elb | _|Nix|_: I think the sb-conf rs just blew all that away |
| 23:56.16 | timelyx | l7: if someone reminds me tomorrow, i could bug a mac guy near connectivity |
| 23:56.19 | timelyx | or is it todya? |
| 23:56.21 | l7 | i guess one could rsync, but it's not as elegant |
| 23:56.45 | l7 | er, i dunno |
| 23:57.04 | l7 | timelyx: well let me know what you discover :) |
| 23:57.28 | timelyx | someone would have to remind me |
| 23:57.32 | _|Nix|_ | elb: What about af-sb-init.sh? DO you still have it? |
| 23:57.33 | timelyx | i have dozens of other headaches to deal w/ |
| 23:57.37 | l7 | ah |
| 23:58.02 | l7 | i just saw a youtube video where someone mentioned they had the same problem with bluetooth file exchange |
| 23:58.52 | l7 | hmm, where is it? |
| 23:59.14 | l7 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qZRRh1USs |
| 23:59.22 | elb | _|Nix|_: I'll let you know when this install finishes |
| 23:59.30 | _|Nix|_ | elb: OK. And I |
| 23:59.35 | l7 | so i have a feeling the bluetooth problem is systemic unfortunately |
| 23:59.37 | _|Nix|_ | 'm setting up chinook-i386 |
| 23:59.42 | timelyx | l7: do people have something against filing bugs in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 23:59.53 | timelyx | oddly enough the connectivity people inform me they check there for bugs |
| 23:59.56 | l7 | timelyx: i don't have a n800 yet |
