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01:00.13edtwhat repository has gstreamer0.10-3gp-osso ?
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01:31.27Tb0n3http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855101508R
01:31.28Tb0n3wtf?
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01:33.30GeneralAntillesHa
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01:55.40Toma-Is there a way to see logs from the FileManger in terms of bluetooth transfers? Im getting a "Operation Failed" when trying to move a pic from my 770 to the phone
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01:58.53LateralusWhat do you guys use for screenshots on the 810?
01:59.37GeneralAntillesVNC
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02:01.10skiburhello
02:01.48b0unc3Lateralus: mh-shot-tool on n800
02:04.09LateralusNo, 810.
02:04.16LateralusGeneralAntilles: I'm not finding any vnc server via google for the 810, do you have a link?
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02:04.25GeneralAntillesx11vnc
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02:04.37GeneralAntillesIt's for the N800
02:04.42GeneralAntillesNo clue if it'll work on the N810
02:04.46GeneralAntillesThough I'd assume it will.
02:05.35skiburyou have N810?
02:06.02shacka1anybody managed to profile code with gprof on chinhook ?
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02:14.21Lateralusmh-shot-tool is working on the 810, thanks guys
02:15.03skibur???
02:15.13Lateralusskibur: yes
02:15.15skiburN800 is underclocked at 330MHZ?
02:15.44skiburnice Lateralus
02:16.02skiburI didn't know the N800 was underclocked
02:19.16GeneralAntillesYeah, OS2008 is going to be shit-hot.
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02:53.46skiburlol what is the best way to remove a screen protector?
02:54.21fysacredit card
02:56.43skiburwow
02:56.45skiburit worked
02:56.47skibur:)
02:56.50skiburthanks
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02:57.20skiburthe screen protector is yah thick and the credit card was able to work it out
02:57.28skiburby the corners
02:57.33skiburthanks again
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03:01.11bgmanyone working on porting gobby?
03:01.58bgmI might give it a try, altough I'm not quite sure to which extent it may work (many dependancies)
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03:20.37skiburjust finished applying new screen protector
03:20.39skiburlol
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04:13.50GalootDoes anyone here know if there's a way to get xsupplicant working on a Nokia 770?
04:13.50lord_moonrakerGreetings
04:14.11skiburhum...
04:14.11skiburxsupplicant?
04:14.39Galootyeah. my college's wireless network uses dynampic WEP 802.1x encryption
04:14.55GalootI've been googling this thing for the better part of the last week, but can't seem to find a solution
04:15.07GalootI tried using wpa_supplicant, but that didn't work :(
04:15.56skiburI see
04:16.20lord_moonrakerhttp://www.broadbandresource.net/?s=authentication
04:17.44Galootthe official wireless instruction page is here: http://www.slu.edu/x7032.xml
04:17.54Galootmoonraker, that link doesn't work for me
04:18.07Galootas in, it takes me to a google page
04:18.16fysais xchat it for irc?
04:18.46Galootas far as clients go? no, there's a bajillion different ones out there
04:19.10skiburyes
04:19.14skiburxchat is for irc
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04:22.14fysai mean are there real ui-based alternatives -- it doesn't feel 'quite' perfect
04:22.14Galoothrm. I wonder if it would be possible to compile open1x for the tablet http://sourceforge.net/projects/open1x/
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04:23.31skiburhave you tried Galoot  ---> http://www.penguintown.net/~gorlik/n770.html
04:23.50Galootyeah, that's the wpa_supplicant I tried earlier
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04:24.17skiburno results?
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04:24.34fysadisabling quit/join would be nice.  it's very usable with bitlbee and the side (thumb-accessible) tabs are nice.
04:24.38skiburyou are root
04:24.56Galootit'll give me a "connected with link-local ip address" message, with a question mark on the wireless icon
04:25.02Galootyeah, it won't run otherwise
04:25.13Galootand I try for a browser, and it doesn't work
04:25.22skiburwpa-supplicant
04:25.22_Monkeywpa-supplicant is not playing nice.
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04:27.01Galootthere is one thing, when I run his instructions as shown, it comes up with a couple errors. one sec, lemme run it again and tell you what they are
04:27.39skiburok
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04:30.06Galootioctl[SIOCSIWPMKA]: No such device
04:30.21skiburhum..
04:30.33Galootioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported
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04:30.52skiburmight need new libs
04:31.01Galootthree instances of  ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
04:31.17Galootand ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported again
04:32.05GalootI get that from running the /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_sup.conf -B command as root from the penguintown.net walkthrough
04:32.42GalootI made sure to edit the config file, and put the certificate in the right place
04:34.52Galootis there anything special I have to do to compile programs for the tablet? I've just been using downloadable package files so far
04:35.21Galootif I can get open1x (http://open1x.sourceforge.net/) to work, that may help
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04:36.52skiburhum...
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04:37.39skiburhonestly, I really can't think of anything on your issue
04:37.46skiburit should of just worked
04:38.02Galootyeah, I know. my campus wireless is really picky though :(
04:38.05skiburHow long have you had a N770?
04:38.24GalootI work for the IT department here and it took me two full weeks to get ubuntu to connect to it
04:38.32Galoota few months
04:38.49skiburMy opinion, get a N800
04:38.50GalootI just this week figured out how to access a root terminal
04:39.07skiburIT
04:39.13skiburWhere at?
04:39.32Galootsaint louis university
04:39.59skiburIT tech / Work Study  Texas A&M University-Kingsville
04:40.12skiburslackware user
04:40.12Galootsweet
04:40.26skiburSo you also have Ticket Qs?
04:40.29Galoothow is slackware? I've heard good things about it
04:40.42Galootticket Qs?
04:40.57Galootas in, IT support ticket requests?
04:41.11skiburSlackware is a "I keeping this S**t simple" distro.
04:41.15skiburits great
04:41.41skiburnow with 2.6 kernel, it can now hang even better with the newest distro like Ubuntu
04:41.42GalootI'm actually a big fan of ubuntu lately, especially with the new release
04:41.46skiburyeah
04:42.26Galootare there any other alternative OSes to put on the tablet?
04:42.56Galootalternative distros, I should say
04:42.58skiburI think Wal-mart will be selling $200 PC with gOS (Ubuntu Based) installed on Black Friday sell
04:43.01Galootlinux is the only way to go ^_^
04:43.04skiburyou should take a look at it
04:43.26Galootsadly, I'm sticking with winblows on my desktop for now
04:43.28skibur:)
04:43.38GalootI play a ton of games
04:43.43skiburI C
04:43.49Galootand the support just isn't there yet, especially for older ones
04:43.50skiburWindows is great for games
04:44.08lord_moonrake1Hi galoot, did u get more info on the 802.1x?
04:44.17Galootbut I've got ubuntu on my laptop, had it that way for more than a year now and it still hasn't given me any lip
04:44.31skiburyeah
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04:44.33skiburcool
04:44.35Galootmoonrake: no :(
04:45.43GalootI looked at the source files for open1x (http://open1x.sourceforge.net/), but I have no idea about how to go about compiling that for the nokia
04:46.05lord_moonrake1K, is this a vpn to join into ur univ?
04:46.20Galootno, it's a campus-wide wireless network
04:46.40Galootlinux config instructions here:http://www.slu.edu/x7032.xml
04:46.49lord_moonrake1Can a router  connect to it?
04:46.51Galootif that gives any insight as to the setup of the network
04:47.04GalootI can get connected to it just fine with ubuntu
04:47.26GalootI can't get the 770 to do it though, because it's a dynamic WEP encryption
04:48.53GalootI tried the wpa-supplicant instructions at http://www.penguintown.net/~gorlik/n770.html
04:48.56Galootbut those didn't work
04:49.16lord_moonrake1A workaround, Do u have a wifi router? Then u can connect ur machine to router &
04:49.30lord_moonrake1N770 to the router
04:49.52lord_moonrake1And ur pc can act as gateway. >
04:50.05Galootno, I don't have one, but I do have a couple friends that do, and that works when I'm over at their place
04:50.33Galootsince the wireless is available anywhere on campus though, I'd like to be able to get it to access it
04:50.47lord_moonrake1K. To compile u need to get scratchbox
04:51.31Galootlinux only, I assume?
04:51.47GalootI'm running windoze on my desktop, but I've got ubuntu on my laptop
04:52.02lord_moonrake1Yes, will work in ubuntu
04:52.21Galootalrighty. I'll see if I can compile open1x to work with maemo
04:53.16lord_moonrake1Scratchbox is a lil hard to install...
04:53.17GeneralAntillesThe 770 is not an N-series device, therefore, there is no such thing as a "N770". ;)
04:53.41Galoothuh. didn't know that
04:54.22GalootI'm pretty skilled when it comes to making things work, given the right tools
04:54.40GalootI just can't find a version of xsupplicant that'll work with the 770 >.<
04:54.46lord_moonrake1http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/
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04:55.51Galoothoo boy. this might have to wait till the weekend, it looks pretty involved
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04:58.04GalootI'm amazed no one has come up with a solution to this yet, I've read about tons of people having the same problem
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04:58.31lord_moonrake1http://maemo.org/community/wiki/InstallVPNC
04:59.49Galootis that last one to put any concoctions I manage to come up with onto the nokia?
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05:01.31lord_moonrake1I am not  sure what u meant ,but i think it details on how to login to 802.1x
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05:02.14Galootthat one is about vpn connections from my nokia, doesn't say anything about connecting to 802.1x wireless :-/
05:03.17lord_moonrake1Well i got it from this thread http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1252
05:03.55GalootI'll have to ask if it's possible to connect to the wifi here with a vpn client
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05:04.59Galootawesome find on that forum though, it sounds like that's a bunch of people having the same problem
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05:12.12lord_moonrake1As i understand 802.1x is network access control
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05:12.13lord_moonrake1& u need a vpnc like cisco, xsupplicant, open1x to do the auth
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05:14.18lord_moonrake1i am creating an pygtk app. It works fine from the command line, but when launch ed from menu it just disappears
05:14.35lord_moonrake1After some time..
05:15.19lord_moonrake1How can i watch error message s of gui apps?
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05:18.02Galootis there a way I can access the file system from the file manager?
05:18.15lord_moonrake1U mean /
05:18.25Galootyeah
05:18.34Galootnot just the documents folder and stuff
05:18.54lord_moonrake1I do it using xterminal
05:19.21Galootyeah, but vi is damnably hard to use on the tablet
05:19.32Galootwhat's the name of the default text editor then?
05:19.38Galootso I can edit a config file
05:21.23lord_moonrake1There is a configuration editor
05:21.28lord_moonrake1Gconf
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05:21.37Galootoooh
05:22.16Galootnot found. is that an extra installation?
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05:22.35lord_moonrake1Let me check
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05:27.47lord_moonrake1Could u google it out? Very hard 2 search in n800 keyboard. >>
05:27.58Galootyeah, I can have a look
05:28.15GalootI actually just copied it over to my laptop to play with
05:28.19Galootit's a .xml anyway
05:28.32Galootgotta figure out how to change these settings
05:28.38Galoothttp://62.61.85.167/platform/docs/howtos/howto_connectivity_guide.html
05:28.43Galootunder WLAN settings
05:29.14Galootif I can change some of those values, I may be able to make it work
05:30.26lord_moonrake1K,I am trying to get my app to work from menu, but it just vanishes after a couple of seconds :(
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05:33.45skiburhello
05:33.55skiburis WiMax a Chip?
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05:35.00lord_moonrake1Ya i guess its hardware
05:35.08skiburI was reading the Wiki on N800, and under connectivity, WiMAX will be available 2008?  If true, do I have to ve the WiMAX chip since my N800 is not WiMAx enabled?
05:35.34skiburs/ve/buy
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05:37.25GeneralAntillesYou have to buy the WIMAX version.
05:37.34Rask330Hi, maemo. ^^;  Me again.  Is there anything else that the N800 can use for videoconferencing besides "internet call"?  For some reason it isn't working with GTalk.
05:37.36Robot101_skibur: I think it means a new product will be released that includes wimax
05:37.42GeneralAntillesNone of the currently available models have WIMAX
05:37.52Robot101an N810++ or something :)
05:37.56lord_moonrake1Oh can u give the LinK?
05:38.19skibur:(
05:38.19|R8GB miniSD is too small :(
05:38.56lord_moonrake1U can use gizmo foor video
05:39.03skiburnot even N810?
05:39.25GeneralAntillesTo what?
05:39.32lord_moonrake1U need beta version 4.0.306
05:40.08GeneralAntilles[12:37am] <GeneralAntilles> None of the currently available models have WIMAX
05:40.50Robot101Rask330: does google talk have video support?
05:41.10GeneralAntillesfrom N800 to N800
05:41.14Rask330Robot101:  Does it?  I thought it had to...
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05:41.34Robot101I think the gtalk clients just do voice
05:41.34Rask330I mean, given that it's built in.
05:41.37Rask330hm.
05:41.49Rask330What N800 protocols support video?
05:41.56Robot101the N800 can do gtalk, and video between N800s (or other Jingle clients, of which I can't think of any)
05:42.06Rask330Hm.
05:42.11Rask330Skype video doesn't work either...
05:42.12Robot101the SIP should be able to do video
05:42.24Rask330SIP?
05:42.32|Ryeah never got jingle working with a linux (PC) client :(
05:42.42Robot101|R: which ones did you try?
05:42.44Robot101btw..
05:42.52lord_moonrake1Rask;I have tested gizzmo v4.0.0.82in n800 & 4.0.0.306 in windwos to use Vidoe chat
05:42.59|Rempathy wouldn't start, and uhm, wait let me check :P
05:43.04Rask330lord_moonrake1:  What's the windows-side client, though?
05:43.15lord_moonrake1Gizmo 306
05:43.21Robot101|R: video calling's not quite ready in empathy unfortunately :(
05:43.38Rask330Mmm... is there any way to get video on Skype on the N800?
05:43.47|Ra gnome one and a kde one also (can't find name, keep searching... ;)
05:44.14lord_moonrake1Rask; skype has launched linux vido
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05:44.40lord_moonrake1Maybe they will come oout for n800 too
05:44.44Rask330Ah.
05:44.49Rask330I guess skype's protocol is closed?
05:44.55Robot101somewhat :D
05:45.08|RRobot101 : kopete for kde
05:45.25Rask330Is Gizmo the only option for video chat on the N800?
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05:46.36lord_moonrake1For now, i believe that is the only opTion to video chat with non n800
05:46.55Rask330Mm.. that's kind of a downer.
05:47.14lord_moonrake1There was a windows gtalk plugin
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05:47.24lord_moonrake1Called festoon
05:47.49Robot101when OS2008 comes out, video calling to various SIP clients should work
05:48.22Rask330I hope Skype gets it together with the N800.  It could really make it a much hotter product.
05:48.50|RRobot101 : through which protocol?
05:49.09Robot101|R: well... SIP. :)
05:49.16|RSIP has a video standard? :)
05:49.34|Rwell, RTP i should ask i guess ;)
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05:50.16lord_moonrake1Anyone know how to see messages given out bY apps in maemo?
05:50.16Robot101|R: right, it just does RTP with video codecs
05:50.32lord_moonrake1I am trying to get my pygtk app to work from menu, but it just vanishes after a couple of seconds
05:51.03|RRobot101 : is there already a widely deployed hardware base for that? (Like G729, G711 for voice, what would the video codec be?)
05:51.43|Rah, gossip is the one i tried on the gnome front...
05:53.06Robot101|R: H263 and H263+ are reasonably common video codecs
05:53.06|Rok :)
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05:53.07Robot101|R: H263 is what the N800 uses
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05:53.13|Rit's net split galore tonight
05:53.14|Roh ok :)
05:53.17Robot101it doesn't actually have enough CPU power to do H263 very well
05:53.27Robot101iChat and friends use H264 which is like MPEG4
05:53.52|Ras long as we can mix :)
05:54.09|Rjust wondering if i'll be able to have video chat with my gf in mars ... ;)
05:55.00lord_moonrake1It runs fine when launched from command line. Might be a libosso problem :( https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyaxelwii
05:55.49|Rnow we need a shrinked down Wii controller that fits in the stylus :P
05:55.57|Ris the n810 stylus the same?
05:56.22Robot101no it's not triangular like the N800, more rounded
05:57.08Robot101anyway, its like 6am, time for me to sleep
05:57.23|Ra+ :)
05:57.34|Rerm, cya in english rather ;)
05:59.42lord_moonrake1What is equivalent of Xwindows in maemo?
06:00.58Rask330Hrm... in Gizmo, how do you get it to use video?
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06:01.59lord_moonrake1Do u have v82?
06:02.24lord_moonrake1U just dial, it comes automatically
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06:02.30Rask330V82?
06:02.31Rask330What is V82?
06:02.41Rask330I don't see any options here for video.
06:02.48lord_moonrake1Gizmo v4.0.0.82
06:02.56lord_moonrake1For maemo
06:03.16Rask330..Nope, I have the one I downloaded off the link that came with it.  X)  Where do you get the later version?
06:03.40lord_moonrake1Latest doesnt have video, they just got this particular version with video
06:03.53Rask330Oh.
06:03.59Rask330Where do you get the version with video?
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06:06.35lord_moonrake1I had googlEd it out, not sure now,http://www.flickr.com/photos/dikstorm/1303912998/
06:07.13lord_moonrake1Some one had put it up on an online file sharing
06:07.42R[a]skMm, nevermind... it seems like it's a relatively unstable beta.
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06:09.44lord_moonrake1Ya, well i do use it once in a while..
06:10.40R[a]skI'm just gonna wait for something stable to come out.
06:10.54lord_moonrake1:)
06:11.34lord_moonrake1Do u have a wii controller?
06:14.33lord_moonrake1I am creating an app too connect to wii remote & plot the accelaration data
06:16.48lord_moonrake1Any willing beta testers...?
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07:00.53VanyaHi everyone! Could you help me? I've installed perl with apt-get, but there's no perl in /usr/bin . Whar is the path to perl in maemo?
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07:08.46|RVanya : check dpkg -L package-name in the xterm
07:10.10|Ryou'll see everything that it installed
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07:17.59L0cutus_hum
07:18.49L0cutus_latest gizmo version crash every time on my n800... unusable
07:19.16|Rfun :|
07:26.27astro76I am getting one soon too, either m1200 or m1000b
07:27.07|Rit's crazy how prices vary online
07:27.17|Rfor everything that is ...
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07:36.37tigert__morning
07:36.37_Monkeyaloha
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08:37.03JaffaMorning, all
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08:59.53Gubbehello
08:59.54_Monkeyhi, Gubbe
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09:02.23Gubbethought I'd drop by to absorb the atmosphere. I just started working on hacking someone else's maemo-based app and the effort is already making my hair fall off.
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09:05.13GubbeIt's just that I know so little of the platform or linux coding in general. Trying to implement signal handlers for conicconnection seems surprisingly challenging for me. =)
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09:20.57GubbeKeeping in mind that I first heard of Gobjects, etc yesterday, I'm trying to use g_signal_connect to set the handler. The first parameter it takes is a gpointer to an "instance," but I haven't been able to decipher what that instance is supposed to be. In a #maemo log excerpt I found, someone used ctx.conic as the instance, which seems to refer to some sort of "context" that presumably needs to be initialized beforehand. So far I haven't figured out what i
09:21.22murraycGubbe: It's not very easy. You could look at TnyMaemoConicDevice in tinymail for an example.
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09:22.55Gubbeeerily I just found that very .c file via google simultaneously with your response. I'll have to scan through it.
09:23.22nomisGubbe: an instance is for example any gobject.
09:23.36nomisGubbe: however it needs to have the signal you're connecting to.
09:23.38inzGubbe, in this case the instance should be what con_ic_connection_new() returned
09:24.52Gubbehmm. I have actually tried to use the ConIcConnection* connection, which contains exactly what con_ic_connection_new() returned, but I got an error from that at runtime.
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09:25.32Gubbelet's see what it was again...
09:26.39florianhi all
09:27.33AD-N770bon dia / good morning
09:27.59Gubbehm hm hmm... allow me to ponder this for a moment, I may have discovered something...
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09:35.42GubbeIt seems that I'm actually using the correct instance and everything, but the code craps out at runtime. This could even be a binary incompatibility issue I'm fighting with.
09:37.20GubbeOh well, perhaps having some lunch will help. Thanks for the assistance, everyone!
09:37.23Gubbe--->
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09:38.55murraycGubbe: Do try gdb or valgrind.
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09:45.36rothielHi
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10:17.37bilboedis there some plans to have a 2008OS for the n770 ?
10:22.40rothielHi... I have to code a game for N800
10:22.59rothielCan I use the GTK button as a sprite ?
10:23.17rothielor perhaps I need to use an other library ?
10:23.52rothiel(GTK newbie ^^)
10:26.53flip^bilboed: i believe the 770's hacker edition of the OS is going to be updated to bring it in line with OS2008, but they've said that's not the same as releasing OS2008 for the 770
10:27.18bilboedflip^, ok. It's just that the 2008/os is really much faster...
10:28.42flip^that's because of the faster cpu though... they won't be speeding up the cpu on the 770 like they are the 800
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10:29.58bilboedflip^, not only, the actual software is faster and more memory efficient
10:30.27flip^well, yes, that is true... but i dunno if you'd see that much improvement on a 770... but as i say, they do plan to update the HE... but it could take a while
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10:45.59rothielNobody to answer me ?
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10:48.08mgedminrothiel: SDL is the usual choice for games
10:48.31mgedminwhen you want something full-screen, graphics intensive (well, as much as the under-powered Nokias can provide)
10:48.42mgedminthere are downsides, e.g. no virtual keyboard input
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10:49.37Gubberight then. con_ic_connection_new() gives: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - gtype.c:2242: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function
10:49.44Gubbefollowed by: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed
10:51.17rothielHi... I have to code a game for N800
10:51.21rothielCan I use the GTK button as a sprite ?
10:51.25rothielor perhaps I need to use an other library ?
10:55.25rothielmgedmin > I don't need virtual keyboard
10:55.48rothielso I can use SDL
10:55.51rothielgreat :)
10:56.00rothielthx to u
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11:04.04rothielHi all :)
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11:07.52workingplayyahi everybody
11:08.31workingplayyaare there any ffmpeg packages in the cosmos
11:09.17workingplayyai have buid one in scratchbox but the binaries arent included
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11:40.05tigertwhat binaries?
11:40.06_Monkeybinaries are usually in /usr/bin
11:40.24tigert_Monkey: forget binaries
11:40.25_Monkeytigert: I forgot binaries
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11:44.30Toma-Im trying to figure out why my phone wont accept files from my 770. is there a way to see some output form the filemanager?
11:47.16workingplayyawhich program?
11:47.26workingplayyatry to start it in xterm
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11:48.45Toma-ahh the builtin fm
11:49.26Toma-and it seg faults form the CLI
11:49.39GubbeAiiieeee! Epic humiliation! Incredibly enough, running g_type_init() before con_ic_connection_new() worked! Just like the error message instructed. Why I failed to heed that earlier goes beyond my understanding.
11:49.46GubbeAnother three hours well spent.
11:50.21GubbeNow where's that donkey-hat again...
11:52.23murraycGubbe: Well done. I guess most people don't notice that because they are using it  in a GTK+ program anyway.
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11:56.23Toma-No other ideas? does ossofilemanager log anywhere?
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12:04.45Gubbemurray: yea, thanks for the help though. I have a feeling that this wasn't the last time I need to pick someone else's brain to make this thing work. =)
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12:05.46lardmanToma-: syslog
12:07.52Toma-theres nothing in /var/log...
12:08.01Toma-i removed ~/.osso
12:08.08Toma-seemed to work
12:08.17Toma-totally trashed my menus tho
12:08.22lardmanyou need to install syslogd
12:08.35lardmanor at least run it
12:08.38Toma-ahh ok
12:08.57lardmananyway, it may not provide much output, but there's certainly some stuff in it
12:09.26murraycGubbe: And don't forget that libconic does nothing in scratchbox. It only works on the device.
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12:17.12RichardHi, How to build a SDK from source?
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12:24.21Gubbemurray: Naturally. This is something I'm only testing on the device anyway.
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12:33.50workingplayyaRichard: why dont use the rfs from maemo.org?
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12:47.28lardmanwhen are core dumps generated? Any exception (as long as ulimit is set appropriately)?
12:48.19Mikhodoes anybody know a good network traffic monitoring tool for linux?
12:48.41Mikhotcpdump seems to do something, but I'd like a graphical one
12:48.45lardmandriftnet?
12:48.47lardman;)
12:49.46lcddMikho: http://www.wireshark.org/
12:50.12Mikhoah, wireshark
12:50.37Mikhothought it was for windows
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12:52.57Mikhothis will do, thanks
12:53.18alteregoHeh, my karma is growing daily.
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12:53.57alteregoAnyhow .. On a serious note .. Would the maemo wiki be a good place to do documentation for ruby-maemo?
12:54.35GeneralAntillesThe maemo wiki doesn't seem to be a good place for anything.
12:54.40GeneralAntillesHard to navigate
12:54.58alteregoSure, but if the pages are tagged ruby-maemo they're directly added to the garage page.
12:55.20GeneralAntillesThen, sure, add the documentation to the wiki. ;)
12:55.53alteregoI'll have to contemplate the benifits/drawbacks I think for a while.
13:02.13Mikhook, the next question: does somebody know a good C/C++ framework I could implement http connection with?
13:02.43alteregoServer or client?
13:02.52alteregoI think libcurl does client side stuff ..
13:03.16alteregoAnd I believe it's a part of maemo.
13:04.24Mikhoclient
13:04.33alteregoThen libcurl is probably the way to go.
13:05.11keesjWhat are you trying?
13:07.21Mikhook, libcurl seems appropriate
13:07.26Mikhothanks
13:07.32alteregoNo problem :)
13:07.47Mikhonever had good answers to specific questions this fast :)
13:08.09alteregoWell, it's the specific questions that should be answered quickly :)
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13:10.34Mikholet's try again:
13:11.47Mikhoin vanilla scratchbox installation, I have maemo installed and target set up. But apt-get does not seem to be able to connect to maemo repositories. What was the file I was supposed to edit to enable internet connection?
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13:12.33alteregoI've never had an issue with internet connection in scratchbox.
13:12.52alteregoThough, quite a few people seem to have.
13:12.58alteregoI bl
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13:13.06alteregoI think there's some information about it on the wiki somewhere.
13:13.14b0unc3Mikho: check the resolv.conf
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13:13.20Takalterego: aha, so you got a garage project set up?
13:13.23Mikhoand google, but this seems to be a good day for #maemo :)
13:13.43alteregoTak, yeah. You found it? :)
13:14.01keesj<PROTECTED>
13:14.06Mikhoyes! The problem was with resolv.conf :)
13:14.26alteregoTak, actually. It might not be a "garage" project. It's just a project page in the download section.
13:14.59alteregoThe maemo project management stuff confuses me.
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13:17.42TakI saw it poking around ohloh yesterday, but didn't know if it was that
13:18.14alteregoI've heard about this ohloh .. Not really any idea what it is though.
13:19.24alteregoWould it be advantagous to register and use it?
13:20.03TakI don't really have a handle on it either
13:20.14alteregoIt says I've enlisted in the garage but I've not :/
13:20.16Takit seems to be some kind of meta-social-networking framework
13:20.53alteregoWhich could possibly damage my rating as the project will always have zero activity >:(
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13:24.41Mikhook, let's try it again
13:25.57MikhoIn my host environment, when I write sudo apt-get install libcur, and then press tab, it gives me all the possible choices for the packages, but inside scratchbox it does nothing. Currently it's a bit tricky to find out the exact package name every time I want to install something
13:26.24alteregoMikho, apt-cache search 'libcurl'
13:26.51alteregoWithout the quotes. I don't know why I put those there ..
13:26.53Mikhook, that works
13:27.14Mikhobut how can I enable tab?
13:27.21alteregoI don't know.
13:27.31alteregoTab completion is part of Bash
13:27.32Mikhotab is the thing that makes unix worth using
13:28.25VeggenMikho: mmh, not sure I agree :) there's a whole lot more :)
13:28.43Veggenbut it makes much difference when it comes to shell usage.
13:28.51keesjvi makes the world go round
13:29.07alteregovi is for hippies :P
13:29.10Veggen(I'm a vi-user myself :)
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13:31.40MikhoThere's probably more, but I really can't imagine using the command shell without previous command scrollbacks and autocompletion
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13:32.28thomasvmi don't know if this is the good place to ask, but i'll try anyway:
13:32.29thomasvmrun-standalone.sh python2.5 -c "import gnome"
13:32.36fysais there anyway to get larger scrollbars?
13:32.45thomasvmfails with "ImportError: No module named gnome"
13:32.53thomasvmthough python2.5-gnome is installed
13:34.56thomasvmi'm on chinook beta
13:38.27GeneralAntillesfysa, no.
13:39.14fysaa little small for thumb use
13:39.28GeneralAntillesThere's a bug
13:39.37GeneralAntillesbut they're pretty much refusing to fix.
13:40.16Takso is vim for full-blown socialists then?
13:40.25alteregoHippies
13:40.44GeneralAntillesNo good dirty damn hippies . . .
13:40.53alteregoReal coders use emacs.
13:40.57alteregoemacs and knives
13:42.00GeneralAntillesHooray knives.
13:42.44TakI don't have enough fingers to use emacs
13:42.48sp3000it's the fastest thing I know that has incremental search
13:42.53Takprobably because of the knives
13:42.53alteregoWow, some one gave ruby-maemo a 5 star rating.
13:42.57alteregoThat's pretty bold.
13:43.06alteregoI'd give it 3.5/4
13:43.15GeneralAntillesWant me to go offset it with a 1 star rating? :P
13:43.30alteregoAny rating is a good rating imo
13:43.40alteregoThe more feedback the better.
13:43.47sp3000(as with all editor wars, now all the three dozen editors that fit that criterion jump out from the woordworks, plus a hack for the main contender to do that)
13:43.53sp3000and knives
13:44.02alteregoPersonally I'd rather people give me real feedback. Features/Libraries they want and maybe API changes.
13:44.25sp3000they're good for the inevitable goat blood sacrifices
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13:45.14alteregoOr ViM hippie sacrifices :P
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13:45.20alteregovIm
13:45.21sp3000and defensive programming
13:45.29alteregoHah
13:45.44sp3000not to mention offensive programming
13:46.04Takbtw, what should I do to get the rubygame deb up on ruby-maemo?
13:46.20alteregoGood question.
13:46.27alteregoHow big is the package?
13:47.02Tak65k
13:47.09alteregoHeh, email it to me :)
13:47.17alteregotom at rubyx.co.uk
13:47.22Takoh - what section are you putting all the ruby packages in?
13:47.31alteregoI'll just check.
13:48.13alteregoIt'll be under the 'ext' directory for arch/dist
13:48.19Takrubygame should probably be in the same section as ruby1.8-sdl
13:48.24alteregoYeah
13:48.29Takno, I mean the debian-package section
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13:48.48alteregoAh
13:48.52alteregoI put them all under the same.
13:49.01alteregoExcept the dev packages which are under 'devel'
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13:49.26Takso, user/programming ?
13:49.55alteregoYeah,
13:50.37alteregoIf the files are to be used in an SDK then stick them under 'devel' if they're extensions for ruby and will be installed on device (or SDK) then stick them in user/programming
13:50.57Takdo you want all the source package detritus as well? (orig.tgz, diff.gz, ...) ?
13:51.07alteregoNeah, just binary packages.
13:51.30alteregoI just do: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
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13:54.34Taksendified
13:54.46alteregoNice.
13:55.35alteregoHah, nice email address ^_^
13:55.51timeless?
13:56.08alteregotaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktak ...
13:56.46anothy_xis there a scratchbox root image with X11 pre-installed?
13:57.38alteregoemdebian has those kinds of images anothy_x
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13:59.07anothy_xand the embedian ones will work with the 770/n800? (just building apps, not kernels)
13:59.25alteregoTak, uploaded
13:59.58Takcool
14:00.28Takheh, I was annoyed with gmail's 6-character minimum
14:00.39alteregoHeh
14:07.18sp3000did you find their maximum? :)
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14:10.37sp300064 per 2821, but...
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14:13.30Taksp3000: it was 30 at the time
14:21.09anothy_xit looks like emdebian doesn't have pre-built rootfs's, rather tools for building. is that correct?
14:23.41alteregoI thought they had a few minimal bootstraps. I maybe wrong.
14:25.12czralterego, where's the task app? :-)
14:25.26alteregoUnder the rug.
14:25.31alteregoNo, it;s getting there.
14:25.38||cwtop
14:25.39alteregoI did some serious restructuring of the GUI
14:25.42||cwopps
14:26.00czralterego, told you you should've thrown it out of the window long ago :-)
14:26.08alterego:)
14:26.16czrit's it wants to be rescued, it will fly back!
14:26.26alteregoWell, I quite want this app. Even if other people don't use it :)
14:26.58||cwi have to reboot a server that has 454 days uptime
14:27.48GeneralAntillesHad to happen some time. :P
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14:30.08mgedmineither it's not running linux, or you're ignoring kernel security updates
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14:30.46alteregoOr it's a VPS ;)
14:31.15czrVery Panicky System
14:31.36||cwmgedmin: it has the latest debian sarge kernel
14:32.01||cwI do apt-get dist-upgrade regularly
14:32.36||cwdid have to happen sooner or later as sarge will no longer get updates in april
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14:38.04FMZ|awayAny ideas on a release date for OS2008 yet?
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14:38.20alterego<PROTECTED>
14:38.29FMzAwesome.
14:38.31FMzAlso.... hi.
14:38.32Taksometime between now and 2009 ;-)
14:38.36alteregoHah
14:38.49alteregoYeah, there may be delays.
14:39.01alteregoI remember there were delays back in 2005 with the 770
14:39.16alteregoToo much demand and also issues with the software I believe.
14:39.17FMzToday my avoidance of work at my place of employment will take the form of learning Ruby.  Every bit of it.
14:39.28alteregoFMz, good for you :D
14:39.34alteregoIf you have any questions I'm here ;)
14:39.43FMzAwesome, thanks bud.
14:40.53czrmore sw for me to throw out of the window, yay :-)
14:44.46L0cutus_vim = 19mb :-O
14:45.14alteregoOh, don't tell me you want to install VIm on your device ..
14:45.37FMzWhat's wrong with Vim?
14:45.51alteregoIt's okay.
14:46.12alteregoWhat's wrong with vi?
14:46.37L0cutus_i've foun vi is better than vim on n800
14:46.41L0cutus_found*
14:46.52L0cutus_at least with my bt keyboard
14:46.56FMzI've never used it.  So I assume Vi comes standard on the 800...
14:47.07L0cutus_yes FMz
14:47.20FMzCool
14:47.21alteregoWell, it comes standard on all Linux systems
14:47.30alteregoI guess all UNIXish systems too.
14:47.49FMzMy fellow webdev here at our company always uninstalls Vi and installs Nano.  I hate him.
14:47.50alteregoI mainly use vi to edit /etc/apt/sources.list so I can then apt-get install emacs-nox
14:48.00Mikhohas anyone run into this error message:
14:48.03Mikhoconfigure.ac:78: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
14:48.07L0cutusdon't know why with vim arrow key on my bt keyb bombs
14:48.08alteregoEesh, nano isn't very useful :)
14:48.18GeneralAntillesHa, I can understand installing nano, but why UNinstall vi? :\
14:49.20FMz"Security reasons" he says.
14:49.36FMzI guess not too many people would think of trying nano when Vi/m doesn't work.
14:50.04GeneralAntillesHa
14:50.05GeneralAntillesWhat?
14:50.26GeneralAntillesThat sounds like incredibly horrible security right tehre.
14:50.40FMzThus my hate for him ;)
14:50.48derfYou've gotta watch out for those user-mode text editors.
14:50.55GeneralAntillesYou should get yourself a sockful of oranges and beat him about the head and shoulders.
14:50.58GeneralAntillesThat'll teach him. ;)
14:53.29czrGeneralAntilles, yes but what is the sockful of oranges for? snack after the beatup?
14:53.41GeneralAntillesFor the beating
14:53.44GeneralAntillesNo broken bones.
14:53.59GeneralAntillesSorta like a sockful of batteries
14:54.01GeneralAntillesbut cheaper
14:54.04GeneralAntillesand less cruel.
14:54.36FMzA winsock full of Vim sessions.
14:57.59czralways thought the icon in trumpet was cheerful.
14:58.05czralbeit slightly swedish.
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14:58.49suihkulokkiczr: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg
14:59.17czrsuihkulokki, that's evil :-)
14:59.55czrdamn I forgot how sucky the GUI stuff looked in win3.
15:00.21czrhmm. maybe a win3 theme for n800/n810?
15:00.27GeneralAntilles>_>
15:00.40czr'd be very retro. in a perverse way.
15:01.20FMzlawlfirewall:  Your page is blocked due to a security policy that prohibits access to category
15:01.24FMzAdult/Sexually Explicit.
15:01.35czrsuihkulokki, the other distros don't fare much better though ;-)
15:02.29czrsuihkulokki, esp the gentoo one
15:03.31L0cutushum, unable to install pimlico packages...
15:03.42L0cutusthey require evolution-data-server
15:04.07L0cutusif i try to install with apt-get, it say it's already here :-?
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15:10.02L0cutusseems there are problem with libebook
15:16.15alteregohttp://alterego.freeshell.org/rx_task_004.png
15:16.20alteregoThat's the new GUI :)
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15:16.59timelessfwiw...
15:17.08timelessmaemo style says that a button either has text, or it has  a picture
15:17.11timelessnever boht
15:17.22Takshiny
15:17.37Takwhat about a picture of text?
15:17.40timelessalso, you shouldn't use access keys when there's a vkb :)
15:17.45alteregoTell that to stock button thingies.
15:17.49timelesstak: um,
15:18.15alteregotimeless, access keys?
15:18.18timelessalterego: yeah um.... maemo clearly wants you to waste lots of time "porting" to hildon
15:18.21timeless+ _Add
15:18.24timelessinstead of + Add
15:18.27alteregoOh
15:18.34alteregoLike I said. That's Gtk Stock ID
15:18.40timelessthere's a "proper" way to detect ...
15:18.46alteregoI didn't define the text or icon. I just said Gtk::Stock::ADD
15:18.56timelesssorry, i'm not a gnome developer
15:19.10timelessand i don't know why the ui people didn't ask the desktop people to fix this
15:19.14timelessi think it basically goes like this:
15:19.18alteregoI do get your point though and I will remove that.
15:19.20timeless1. ui people design somehting "shiny"
15:19.42timeless2. ui people force desktop people to spend all their time making "shiny" which requires inventing new widgets
15:19.58||cwwoulnd' that be don't use access keys UNLESS there's a vkb?  if you don't have the kb, you can't use an access key anyway
15:20.00alterego(I had to invent a new widget for my UI too)
15:20.01timeless3. desktop people have no time left to try to adapt gnome widgets to match ui design theory
15:20.16timeless4. ui people didn't bother explicitly explaining theory to desktop people
15:20.26alterego||cw, vkb is the virtual keyboard. Kind of hard without an ALT key ;)
15:20.27timeless5. no tester is truly aware of theory
15:20.42||cwalterego: alt key is in the menu isn't it?
15:20.45timeless6. no one is responsible for testing pored apps
15:21.02timelessmenu??
15:21.14timelessyou can't trigger alt w/ vkb or fkb <period>
15:21.24timelessor ctrl for that matter
15:21.35timelessxterm cheats by offering a menu item "send control+" or something
15:21.48timelessand as hacks go, it sucks
15:21.51alteregoSure, but it doesn't make accelerators usable in maemo.
15:21.53alteregoThey're not.
15:21.55timelessbecause if you use screen, the display resizes
15:22.19timelessnote: w/ itos2008, hildon apps will show accelerators
15:22.29timelessbut only when the "Real" keyboard is open
15:22.40alteregoRight
15:22.50timeless(or maybe if a bluetooth keyboard is active and paired, not sure how tested that is)
15:22.53timelessiirc it's a HALism
15:23.04alteregoThough, the 'Add' button in question is activated by hitting enter on the V/KB anyway ..
15:23.05timelessthere's public code that should be in gnome upstream for it iirc
15:23.23timelessuse the standard browser Arrow button instead
15:23.34timelessthe green one
15:23.36alteregoFor what?
15:23.42timelessinstead of add
15:23.46alteregoOh, next?
15:23.55timelessno, the green check like one
15:24.00timeless(the other green one!)
15:24.05alterego;)
15:24.32alteregoI don't know anyting about UI design.
15:24.33timelessthat green thing if placed immediately to the right of the text field..
15:24.39alteregoI work on aesthetics and functionality.
15:24.44derfIt's actually pretty easy to add shift/alt/ctrl keys to a matchbox keyboard.
15:24.45timelessshould at least give users a clue of a tie in w/ browser behavior
15:24.49Takhmm, garage tracker could really use a preview button
15:25.09derfI don't use the vkb that ships with the device, but I did so on my maemocjk keyboard.
15:25.11timelessi think it's reasonably safe to assume your users will have met the browser a bit
15:25.16alteregoderf, they're still pointless when the button is a couple of CM's away from the keyboard :P
15:25.37alteregoOh, you mean the refresh button?
15:25.38FMzCMs... alterego must be British / Aussie.
15:25.40timelessyeah
15:25.41derfalterego: I don't use it for "keyboard shortcuts", obviously.
15:25.54derfBut timeless is right, that xterm hack is truly horrible.
15:25.55timelessnote that refresh is echnically the circle one
15:26.15alteregoThat's the only green arrow I have in my browser ..
15:26.22timelessin newer versions (not sure how old) the browser only shows reload/refresh if you tap and hold
15:26.29timelessthe check thing isn't refresh, it's go
15:26.38timelesstap and hold it :)
15:26.48timeless(scary that i remembered it was go)
15:26.48alteregoAh
15:26.51alteregoThat's odd.
15:26.58timelesssorry for calling it a check instead of "right turn"?
15:27.30alterego;)
15:28.09bedboidamn DNS resolving does not work in my dusty scratchbox
15:28.26alteregoI was happy with my design too :(
15:28.51bedboii hacked the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf but nothing changed
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15:29.18mgedmindoes /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf look sane?
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15:31.41alteregoI don't think it's Gtk stock.
15:31.55timelessqgn_oolb_browser_gobutton.png
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15:32.07alteregoYeah
15:32.10alteregoThanks
15:32.16alterego:)
15:32.25alteregoI was hoping for a stock ID
15:32.26lopzhola
15:33.03timelessoh!
15:33.06timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/
15:33.11timelessit's in sardine!
15:33.36timelessit's also in chinook
15:33.58timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/
15:34.13alteregoThat's great.
15:34.19alteregoThough, I don't use either of those !!!
15:34.28timelessfwiw, the way i found the icon was:
15:34.37timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/find?string=png$
15:34.56alteregoThat's pretty useful. Thanks :)
15:34.56timeless(i started by using an internal equivalent of the real sources, but that's just a detail)
15:35.23timelessnote that the icons are just sdk icons, there's no guarantee that they'll resemble anything else
15:35.32timelessalthough they are designed to be remotely pretty
15:35.33alteregoI think I'll make a note to make all those icons maemo stock icons in ruby-maemo.
15:36.06alteregoShould be easy to auto generate the code to do it.
15:36.45alteregoWhat does qgn stand for by-the-way?
15:36.57alterego* graphics nokia?
15:36.57timelessanyway, *please* take advantage of the cross references on timeless.justdave.net
15:37.03timelessthey're here for you (#maemo)
15:37.42timelessat some point, maybe even this year, that'll start being mxr.maemo.org, we'll see
15:38.00alteregoThat's really cool. I'll be using it a lot timeless.
15:38.47timelessmy officemate doesn't know :)
15:40.50alteregoThat's really helpful. I need a way of finding out the differences to keep ruby-maemo up-to-date.
15:40.57alteregoThat's exactly what I need :)
15:41.12timelessthe two specific indices here are not going to change
15:41.21timelesshence the -{datestamp}
15:41.33timelessi'll eventually add /chinook and /sardine which will
15:41.50timeless(probably next week)
15:42.02alteregoThey'll be SVN?
15:42.09timelessoh, no
15:42.16alteregoHow do you mean change then?
15:42.18timelessthese are generated from .deb sources
15:42.22alteregoAh
15:42.30timelessi just run the script again
15:42.38alteregoOkay
15:42.48alteregoWill you be making a profile for SVN HEAD?
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15:44.31FMzPardon my newbness... what are chinook and sardine?
15:44.46timelessit's kinda hard
15:44.54timelessthe garage tree is against svn head
15:44.59alteregoChinook is the tag name for OS2008
15:45.09timelessif it includes what you need, then you're fine
15:45.19timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/find
15:45.22alteregoI can't remember what Sardine is ^_^
15:45.30FMzThat's what I thought.  I assume sardine is OS2007?
15:45.32timelesssardine continuously changes\
15:45.37FMzAhh...
15:45.48GeneralAntillessardine is the bleeding edge development release.
15:45.51timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/find?string=sardine
15:45.52alteregoCool.
15:45.53GeneralAntillesbora is 2007
15:45.54FMzSo... sardine is like the cutting edge
15:45.58FMzAhh, k :)
15:46.01timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/sardine/www/index.html
15:46.03alteregogregale too ..
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15:47.13timelesshold
15:47.15timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2Fwww%2Fnews%2F&string=gregale
15:47.22L0cutuswhat about this: http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.38-mmc-kernel/    ?
15:47.24GeneralAntillesIgnore that, was meant for Quicksilver. :P
15:47.30timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/www/news/8/index.html
15:47.40timelessthat last hit shows what gregale "seems" to be
15:47.49timelessi.e., it's a release (2.2)
15:48.38timelessbrb
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15:52.00timelessok, qgn_ is legacy, it's an identifier prefix
15:52.04timelessa bit of a short history:
15:52.19timelessosso imported its specifications/style/layout from "s90" (series 90)
15:52.25timelessqgn_ is one of those imports
15:52.28alteregoAh
15:52.33timelessand no one i could find here has any idea what it means :)
15:52.40alteregoHeh
15:53.02timelessmind you, the finns leave at 5pm prompt and it's nearly 6pm, so i was lucky to find 2 finns... but stil
15:53.19timelessfinding someone who knows is basically a matter of finding someone who worked in s90 not osso
15:53.25timeless(probably)
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15:54.24timelesshttp://allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31140&page=38
15:54.31timelessshows it was used there...
15:54.37timelessso it's clearly a symbian ism :)
15:54.53timelesshttp://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67614
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15:58.00Spakmanhello. Anyone know much about ruby-maemo?
15:58.16czrSpakman, ask alterego
15:58.20Spakmanspecifically, how to trap a full-screen keypress
15:58.25Spakmanthanks czr
15:58.28alteregoSpakman, Sure thing
15:58.33alteregoHang on I'll upload an example.
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15:59.16greedo__hello
15:59.31greedo__i installed chinook beta sdk but it seems it lacks a lot of packages
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15:59.36greedo__is there another repository that should be used ?
15:59.48Spakmanthanks a lot alterego, appreciate it
16:01.48timelessgreedo: the sdk is an sdk
16:01.51timelessit's not an os
16:01.56timeless(not that "os" is really defined)
16:01.58timelesswhat do you want?
16:02.31timelessgreedo: you can compare http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/ to http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/ if you feel like it
16:02.36timelessi have no idea how they differ
16:05.08alteregoSpakman, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/Examples/fullscreen_example.rb.txt
16:05.13alteregoSpakman, that's the kind of code I use.
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16:05.27KhertanHi !
16:06.17alteregoSpakman, I'll probably be adding the fullscreen? and fullscreen_toggle methods into a future release of ruby-maemo
16:06.39KhertanSomeone have already try to compile tinymail pre release 0.0.4 on scratchbox ?
16:06.43alteregoSo you wont have to create and override those methods for long and just worry about the key-press-event signal handler.
16:06.57Khertanit s seems that some file are missing for the maemo target
16:08.34timelesskhertan: care to be less vague?
16:08.49timelessit's obviosly built by its devs...
16:10.26Spakmanalterego - excellent! Thanks a lot. I'm so glad ruby-maemo is out there :)
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16:10.47alteregoSpakman, well I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
16:11.40Khertantimeless > i can compile it for default target
16:12.04alteregoWhat's default target?
16:12.14alteregoAre you crosscompiling out of scratchbox?
16:12.16Khertanbut for the maemo target i get an tny-maemo-device-priv.h : No such file
16:12.29Khertani'm compiling in scratchbox
16:12.47alteregoHave you installed the required dependencies in both targets?
16:12.49zoranso, you don't have header file?
16:12.58timelesslibtinymail-maemo/tny-maemo-device-priv.h
16:13.37alteregomaybe libtinymail-maemo-dev ..
16:13.49Khertandefault target is DEMOUI.
16:14.00alteregoO_o
16:14.04alteregoRight
16:14.39Khertanso in default target some dependancy is unmeet
16:14.58alteregoSure, if you've not installed libtinymail * -dev
16:15.32Khertanlibtinymail * -dev ?
16:16.01Khertanit s the prerelease of libtinymail that i try to compile
16:16.07timelessAPI reference manual per API version: http://tinymail.org/API/
16:16.08timelessDevelopment website and info: http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail
16:16.08timelessMarketing documentation & contact: http://tinymail.org
16:16.14Khertan:)
16:16.21alteregoHeh
16:16.26Khertanmaybe i should try from the svn
16:16.31alteregoI thought you were building a IO
16:16.34alterego~UI ..
16:17.19Khertanbuilding an UI should be the next things :)
16:17.25timelessok, got it
16:17.33timelesshttp://swift/world/source/external/tinymail/trunk/.svn/
16:17.40timelessurl="https://svn.tinymail.org/svn/tinymail/trunk"
16:17.49timelessthat's what they told me to index
16:17.53timelessso that's what you want :)
16:18.08alteregotimeless, http://alterego.freeshell.org/rx_task_004.png
16:18.25timelessyeah, that's better
16:18.37timelessthe date thing should probably be replaced by whatever calendar widget maemo uses
16:18.41timelessi can look it up i suppose
16:18.52alteregoYeah, I was thinking about using that calendar button ..
16:19.05alteregoCouldn't find the icon in stock icons though ;)
16:19.10Spakmanalterego - any chance you can host the .install file in your repos too? The maemo site seems pretty broken whenever I try it.
16:19.12alteregoNow I have your link ...
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16:19.25alteregoSpakman, there is no install file :)
16:19.34timeless<PROTECTED>
16:19.36alteregoSpakman, I'll work on making on though.
16:19.46timelesshrm, no, that's control panel
16:19.58timeless<PROTECTED>
16:20.14timelessyeah, that and the _pr variant sound good
16:20.21Spakmanah, OK :)
16:20.26Spakmanthanks again, see ya.
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16:20.35Khertanalterego > nice ui for a task manager for a small screen
16:20.36timelessnote: i'm using the sardine link (no cheaing :)
16:21.03alterego:)
16:21.24timelessfwow. tje stu;e fpr |add| ote,s c;ear;u see,s tp be a _plus_ overlayed on a htingy
16:21.40timelesssee  qgn_toolb_im_invite.png qgn_widg_mplayer_add.png  qgn_toolb_gene_bookmark_add.png
16:21.52timelessok, that's not readable :(
16:22.14alteregoO_O
16:22.20Khertancompil seem to work for libtinymail from the svn :)
16:22.23timelessfwiw, the style for |addd| ???? clearly seems to be a _plus_ overlayed on a thingy
16:22.39timelessanyway, that's close enough to English :)
16:22.55alteregoYou mean the add group?
16:23.02timelessyeah
16:23.06alteregoAre you saying you want me to remove all the button background graphics? :)
16:23.21timeless? probably :)
16:23.34timelessqgn_list_sort.png fwiw
16:23.41alteregoEven the order orientation?
16:23.52timelessthat's the only sort like thing i can find
16:23.57timelessit's probably not necessarily right
16:23.58alteregoYeah bustin' my ballz here :P
16:24.06timelessthat depends on what you're trying to do
16:24.11timelessmaemo style is a tree widget
16:24.18timelessw/ sortable column indicators in the tree heads
16:24.23timelessmaemo/osso/whatever
16:24.41alteregoSure, that'd work. If priority was a column
16:24.54alteregoBut priority is indicated by colour.
16:25.15Khertanlol
16:25.36timelesshttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi#sec508
16:25.37alteregohttp://alterego.freeshell.org/rx_task_003.png
16:25.41alteregoSee, colours. :)
16:25.50Khertanan hidden column ?
16:26.07alteregoIt's not a column at all.
16:26.10timelessin mail apps, you get a column chooser
16:26.23timelessand you could not have that column if you didn't want/need it
16:26.37timelessi have no idea which is more important
16:26.48timelesspersonally, for done, i'd use <strike> or <em>
16:26.55alteregoRed is high priority, green is low priority
16:26.57timelesswell, i'd use <i> not <em>, but css is stupid
16:27.03alteregotimeless, yes. That was the plan.
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16:27.57timelesscan you have a high priority done task v. low priority done task?
16:28.10alteregoI don't get you, what?
16:28.31timelessthe red item, when it's done, is it still red, if so, why, if not, do you care?
16:28.39timelesssimilar for green
16:28.54alteregoNo,
16:28.57alteregoThey all grey out.
16:29.01alteregoTo the same grey.
16:29.13timelessin that case you could replace the check widget with some more magical widget
16:29.19GeneralAntillesPoor colorblind people.
16:29.24timelessthat shows a number normally
16:29.38timelessand when simply clicked becomes a check
16:29.49timelessand when click-held, you get a menu to change priority
16:30.06timelessthat's not necessarily in maemo style, but it'd solve all the problems i see
16:30.21alteregoAh, so you think I should put the priority in numerical form there. But when the item is crossed out it turns into a fancy tick image?
16:30.24alteregoThat's a nice idea.
16:30.33timeless:)
16:30.52alteregoYeah, the context menu displays fancy options.
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16:31.11alteregoYou can edit the text in place and change all the other details.
16:31.18timelessqgn_list_messaging_high.png  qgn_list_messaging_low.png
16:31.24timelessare the two obvious ones i can find in mail
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16:31.58Khertan*** No rule to make target xml/tree_index.sgml', needed by distdir ....
16:31.58timelessoh, fwiw, qgn_indi_gene_plus.png
16:32.09timelessso it seems they do have a plus :(
16:32.13Khertangrr ... i ll wait until someone make a package ...
16:34.06alteregoThat's a horrible plus ..
16:34.30alteregoThat's for the media player I believe.
16:34.34timelessooh cool
16:34.43timelessyeah, hence hte :(
16:34.47timelessanyway, check this out
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16:34.57zoranI'd buy some usb bluetooth dongle; opinions whatto get?
16:35.12|Rzoran : give me 2 sec
16:35.18timelessif you have the sardine 26x26 page open
16:35.23timeless[in firefox]
16:35.27timelessload that url into that window
16:35.37timelessand you should get results that are slightly more easy to scan :)
16:36.20workingplayyaanyone here who hast kagu with working remote?
16:36.50timelessjavascript:styles='table,tr,td{display:inline}%20font{display:none}';%20newSS%20=%20document.createElement('link');%20newSS.rel%20=%20'stylesheet';%20newSS.href%20=%20'data:text/css,'%20+%20escape(styles);%20document.documentElement.childNodes[0].appendChild(newSS);%20void%200
16:36.54timelessis even better :)
16:38.56alteregoHow do you mean load it into firefox?
16:39.02alteregoAppend it on a query string?
16:39.12timelessno, just enter it in the urlbar
16:39.13timelessit's a url
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16:39.27timelessjavascript: is a protocol, like http:
16:39.49alteregoWeird
16:39.52alteregoHad no idea.
16:40.10alteregoI don't know how you think that's easier ..
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16:40.35workingplayyanew protocol js?
16:40.42alteregoI have no pgup or pgdn ..
16:41.02Khertani must go on ... bye
16:41.11workingplayyai think it just changes things in the style settins of the page
16:41.13Khertanand thanks foor help
16:41.18workingplayyasiju
16:41.31timelessworkingplayya: right
16:41.33L0cutusalterego: point me to a good tutorial ruby+gtk(+maemo?) :)
16:41.41timelessit's designed to be loaded in the sardine 26x26 page
16:41.53alteregohttp://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp
16:42.00alteregoThere's a good tutorial there.
16:42.10alteregoMaemo, just look at my examples on the website.
16:42.27workingplayyabut maybe wrong charset
16:43.34alteregoL0cutus, ^^^
16:45.15L0cutushttp://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/it/index.html
16:45.17L0cutusthanks :)
16:45.47czralterego, who is Maemo?
16:46.04alteregoIt wasn't an address :P
16:46.26czr:-)
16:49.34timelesss/^M/for m/ ?
16:49.46timelessor wrt
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16:56.06zoranopinions on usb bluetooth dongle to buy?
16:56.36alteregocsr
16:56.44alterego2.1
16:56.54alteregoFlashing blue LED
16:56.57alteregosorted ..
16:57.34zoranin stores in my area I could find gigabyte bt03d and canyon btu4
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17:00.20alteregotimeless, http://alterego.freeshell.org/rx_task_004.png
17:00.33L0cutusmmm seems window.border_width API is changed from tutorial ;)
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17:01.12rubikshello
17:01.12_Monkeyniihau, rubiks
17:01.18alteregoL0cutus, if you're doing this on the device or in the SDK then there will be differences. The current Gtk version is old in maemo.
17:01.21rubiksanything new on OS2008?
17:01.29L0cutusops
17:01.50alteregorubiks, when it gets released it'll be the newest IT OS.
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17:04.17alteregoRight, I'm gonna get food and have a break. bbiab
17:08.58czruntil the italians come up with a newer version
17:10.11L0cutusczr:  hohoho :D
17:10.39czrit's christmas already?
17:11.00t_s_ogrumble, wsod, grumble. heh, i should have gone directly to nokia on day one. not do some silly run around with expansys...
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17:12.05trunneml_hi
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17:17.28timelessok, fwiw, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ and http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine/ now exist
17:17.34timelessi make no guarantees about freshness :)
17:17.56timelessthey're currently just pointers to the other two
17:18.12trunneml_someone know where to find the pkg_config file for expat
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17:30.02lopzre
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17:30.49timelesslearningsolaris.com/archives/2006/03/10/mdb-tutorial-by-mcdougall-mauro/
17:31.24timelessmaybe www.opensolaris.org/os/community/mdb/
17:31.27timelessoops
17:32.51shackantimeless: you nokians are able to use gprof in sb? because I'm not, and it breaks even for a simple hello world
17:33.17timelessi can' remember which ones they use
17:33.22timelessit might be jprof
17:34.21shackanI would not care and just try the executable on the device itself which is what interests me, if it wasn't that the gprof breakage kills every configure script (ie: you get C compiler is unable to execute etc if you turn profiling on)
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17:34.47shackantimeless: thanks, will try
17:36.50shackantimeless: is it restricted to moz ?
17:37.05timelessmaybe i'm confusing tools, i suppose i could check a mailinglist
17:37.25shackannp
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17:39.29timelessoprofile
17:40.25timelesssorry, there are way too many profiling tools w/ similar names :)
17:40.26shackanokay!
17:40.35timelessand i've been around/seen most of them used in /some/ context, which makes my brain mush
17:41.16shackanuh?
17:41.32shackanlike what?
17:42.35shackananyway, if I remember correctly oprofile is linux only and depends on a kernel module, which means it won't work in sb, but anyway, as long as it works on the metal :)
17:42.40timelesscachegrind/quantify/jprof/....
17:43.03shackanugh, anything else? :D
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17:43.20timelessyes, but i need to finish release notes, not dig through cobwebs
17:43.21L0cutusis possible to start a servce from osso-statusbar-cpu command list ? and if yes, how ?
17:43.29L0cutusi've put a commandline on sudoers
17:43.41L0cutusservice*
17:44.29L0cutusi've tryed "/etc/init.d/servicename start"
17:44.35L0cutusbut doesn't work
17:44.57L0cutusfrom osso-xterm it work ok
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17:50.18alteregoWouldn't you need to do 'sudo /etc/init.d/servicename start' ?
17:50.35alteregoThat's what I do for my enable BT script.
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17:54.38||cwyeah, sudoers isn't magic, you still need to sue the sudo command
18:00.13L0cutuswow
18:00.16L0cutusit work now :D
18:00.17L0cutusthanks
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18:09.21lopzbye
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18:12.20L0cutus<alterego> That's what I do for my enable BT script.
18:12.31L0cutuscan you post here or query ?
18:12.55L0cutusdoes it enable bt also if disabled from ctrl panel ?
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18:23.33lardmanDoes maemo-af-desktop include the launcher, etc.?
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18:23.53lardmanhmm, maemo-launcher, I should learn to read better
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18:31.10lardmanIs maemo-launcher used to speed the loading of applications (do avoid having to re-load/map shared libraries)?
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18:36.05Robot101lardman: yes, but also to avoid the initialisation time, and share data which is initialised once by the libraries
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18:37.30lardmanIt looks like it's a bit like busybox, depending on what it's called as it starts something else
18:38.11lardmanor rather its first argument (I think)
18:38.51lardmanI'm just wondering whether there's any error reporting functionality - people always complain that such a such doens't work, it would be nice to tell them why
18:42.20|Rhaha kiddie attack
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19:04.45straindI got one on eBay.
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19:06.54straind|R: My price was $52.47 after s+h.
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19:08.58|Rstraind : ok, i'm bidding there right now
19:09.04|R25$ shipping to canada...
19:09.11|Rsi i won't bid over 30 i think...
19:09.13|Rso
19:09.36straindI used a sniping program and waited a few days to get my price.
19:10.21|Rstraind : i guess i could try jbidwatcher :)
19:10.50straindThat's what I used.
19:11.16|Rcan it do inter-bid things?
19:11.25|Rlet's say: bid this on that item, if it fails try on that one
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19:14.15|Rand what sniping delay did you use? (15 sec here)
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19:14.18straindYeah.  Multi-snipe or something like that.  That's what I used, but it didn't work properly.  It won, but wasn't sure about it.  It didn't bid on any more though. YMMV
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19:14.34|Rhaha ok :)
19:14.34|Ri'll end up buying 10 GPS ;)
19:15.33straindI had a 30 sec delay, but I did get outbid once.
19:16.21|RI'll sync 2 minutes before it ends
19:16.23|Rwe'll see :P
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19:35.56bstockreal quick, if i have SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin and the flasher app, which flags do i use?
19:36.20bstockis that a kernel image, jffs2 image, initfs image?
19:36.38robtaylorbstock: fiasco
19:37.00robtaylorbstock: -F <path> -b -f
19:37.42bstockk thx
19:39.09lardmanrobtaylor: -b?
19:39.47lardmanrobtaylor: -f -R
19:40.07alteregoCTCP? Is that Russian?
19:40.22lardmanbstock: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
19:40.36lardmanalterego: where's that from?
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19:40.43Takyeah, freenode-connect can stop ping-flooding me anytime now
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19:43.25alteregoIRC doesn't half have some insane characteristics.
19:44.00lardmanit's a script kiddie - did you see the announcemet earlier?
19:45.22||cwno
19:45.56lardmanit just said sorry for the issues & they are working on blocking it
19:45.58robtaylorlardman: -b = boot
19:46.14lardmanrobtaylor: ah, okay, I'd not seen that one used before
19:46.16Takah
19:46.21alteregoNeah, I don't read IRC announcements.
19:46.33robtaylorlardman: though i guess it makes sense to reboot after a full fiasco flash
19:46.41alteregoI just hide in my channels.
19:47.03alteregoHahah
19:47.09alteregoWhy wouldn't you reboot?
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19:48.29robtayloralterego: reboot versus boot. boot being quicker.
19:48.37alteregoAh
19:49.11alteregoI find flashing doesn't really take that long.
19:49.17alteregoHow often do you do it? :D
19:49.33robtayloralterego: about 5 times a day at the moment
19:49.38robtaylor><
19:49.38alteregoJeez.
19:49.42alteregoWhat device?
19:49.51alteregoAnd any particular reason?
19:50.02robtayloralterego: RX34, optimising HAL
19:50.17alteregoOr are you stress testing the flash so you can tell us how many times it's safe to flash them ;)
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19:50.36alteregoThat reminds me.
19:50.40alteregoI must bind HAL ..
19:50.46robtayloralterego: to what?
19:50.51alteregoruby
19:51.04lardmananyone happen to know where the function die() is defined?
19:51.16alteregoAt the end of life.c lardman
19:52.00lardmanisn't that a switch(goodness), case(good) goto heaven; case(bad) goto hell; ?
19:52.13alteregoI'll probably get denied again until I get the other ruby project destroyed.
19:53.06robtayloralterego: there's already  ruby dbus bindings, thats all you need
19:53.22alteregoThose bindings are rubbish.
19:53.27alteregoIn fact. They're not bindings.
19:53.45alteregoThey wrap dbus-send etc.
19:53.50robtayloroh god
19:53.55alteregoWhich reminds me. I should really work on ruby-dbus ..
19:53.59alterego;)
19:54.02robtayloralterego: +! for that!
19:54.10robtaylor+1, even
19:54.26alteregoThat was going to be my Christmas of Code project. ;)
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19:55.11alteregoI started looking into it.
19:55.28alteregoWith the current ruby-libosso bindings I've done you can make a working dbus service and client.
19:55.38alteregoSo it wasn't really much of an emergency.
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19:56.03ZenGeisthi all
19:56.07ZenGeistI have a problem
19:56.15ZenGeistI can not update Pidgin :(
19:56.24alteregoIs it contagious?
19:56.43alteregoZenGeist, have you tried uninstalling the previous version first?
19:56.51ZenGeistalterego, no
19:57.16alteregoWhat device/OS are you using?
19:57.22ZenGeistn800
19:57.24ZenGeistos2007
19:57.25_Monkeyi guess os2007 is better but needs more memory
19:57.43alteregoOkay, I'll try updating myself hang on.
19:59.44Takalterego: you should be able to get extras permission regardless of whether you have / are eligible for a garage project
20:00.25alteregoYeah, you're probably right,
20:00.43alteregoStill, I think it would be wise getting that ruby project removed.
20:00.57alteregoThere can be only one >:(
20:01.00alterego^_^
20:01.37GeneralAntillesEspecially if it's dead.
20:02.23alteregoYeah, you'd think that'd make it easier ..
20:02.23GeneralAntillesAre they having a drunken party at freenode or something?
20:02.25GeneralAntillesSomebody's doing it on kubrick
20:02.27alteregoI dunno. But it's very annoying ..
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20:03.47alteregoZenGeist, that release looks like it's for OS2008
20:04.01ZenGeisthmmm...
20:04.05alteregoThere's no 2.2 in my repository ..
20:04.28ZenGeistalterego, but i set distribution to bora
20:04.43alteregoZenGeist, bora isn't 2008 ..
20:04.51alterego2008 isn't even out yet ..
20:04.54ZenGeistyes
20:05.09ZenGeistalterego, visit http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/
20:05.31ZenGeistthere are new repo setings
20:06.24alteregoAh
20:08.41alteregoRight, no libgnutls.
20:08.45alteregoThat's not good ..
20:08.53alteregoOh well.
20:10.36ZenGeist^(
20:11.38ZenGeistalterego, it needs maemo hackers repo
20:11.46ZenGeistand... reinstall helps me
20:11.51ZenGeist:)
20:11.53alteregoI have that repo ..
20:12.02alteregoSo uninstalling fixed it?
20:12.18ZenGeistyes
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20:15.16alteregoDidn't work for me :/
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20:30.26FMzIf anyone can be arsed, could someone do me a favor and test this on an n800 / n810:  http://skornicka-family.homeip.net:8080/lpubsite/
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20:32.25alteregoWorks fine. Bit small though.
20:34.00FMzCool :)  800 x 480 on n series isn't it?
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20:34.19alterego800x480 on all the tablets.
20:37.48derfThe best part is when you get to mark your own bug closed.
20:37.59alterego:)
20:38.08alteregoGod.
20:38.17alteregoAll this C code :S
20:38.25alteregoI don't remember writing this at all.
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20:39.48alteregoWell, that was pretty easy to fix.
20:40.15alteregoChange a 1 to a -1
20:40.15_Monkeyalterego: that doesn't look right
20:40.15alterego:)
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20:40.15alteregoWell it is right _Monkey
20:40.25FMzFix'd.  That should look better.
20:41.16FMzalterego: In a couple of sentences, how would you decribe the process of porting an app to Maemo?
20:41.31alteregoErm
20:41.38alteregoI wouldn't know. I've not really ported an app.
20:41.59alteregoI wouldn't call ruby-maemo a port.
20:42.29FMzHmm... so it would be more like... erm... building an interaction layer.
20:42.41alteregoYes, exactly.
20:43.08alteregoThe majority of my issues actually came from the Ruby API. I'd not really had much experience creating C extensions so I was learning whilst doing.
20:43.30alteregoIt was/is a lot of fun and I feel like a bit of a veteran now ^_^
20:43.38FMzI'd love to do something like that.
20:43.47FMzBut... my C is very rusty.
20:43.57alteregoC is easy.
20:44.05alteregoWell, if it can be done in C it's easy.
20:44.12FMzLearned it when I was 13.... forgot it all in the 11 years since.
20:44.13alteregoSometimes things just can't be done.
20:45.19alteregoWell, there are plenty of other languages out there.
20:45.35alteregoI'm sure people would appreciate a Haskell-Maemo :)
20:45.48alteregoI'd like to do a Scheme-Maemo at somepoint myself.
20:46.47alteregoI should probably make my hildon bindings a bit more widely publicised.
20:47.10alteregoWith all the ubuntu mobile stuff and happenings at Intel ..
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20:48.32|Rstraind : won at 57 (shipping + insurance..) oh well :)
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20:49.05FMzSo... what is Hildon?  I keep seeing it, but no idea what it is.
20:49.17FMzI took a few Ruby tutorials BTW.  It's... different.
20:50.12alteregoWhich tutorials?
20:50.12FMzI'm trying to decide between the "ease" of Ruby, and the power (and my history) of C.
20:50.12alteregoI wouldn't say Ruby is different.
20:50.43alteregoI'd say it takes the best parts of other languages.
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20:50.46FMzTutorials on the Ruby site, and a couple of other small ones.
20:50.46alteregoIt's like a Lisp/Perl/Python/Smalltalk hybrid
20:50.46FMzI've never used any of them... lol
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20:51.10alteregoWhat power of C?
20:51.14alteregoSee is only really good at interfacing with hardware.
20:51.20alteregos/See/C/
20:51.21FMzPHP, C, C++, SQL, HTML, Java, and basic is all I've done... heh
20:51.23alterego;)
20:51.35FMzHmm...
20:51.48alteregoAh, I can see why you think Ruby is different.
20:51.52FMz:)
20:51.56alteregoIt's the only good language you've come across ^_^
20:52.08FMzOhhh, SNAP
20:52.10FMzlol
20:52.11TakC is good at everything; it just takes a lot of carefully planned code.
20:52.19alteregoC is adequate
20:52.36alteregoSure,
20:52.42alteregoI prefer a more agile approach.
20:52.52alteregoC involves a lot of mud wrestling.
20:52.55alteregoAnd not with chicks.
20:53.08FMzRuby just doesn't feel structured enough..
20:53.25alteregoLanguages like Ruby and Python offer a very nice abstraction toolbox which makes programming come a lot more natural.
20:53.41alteregoFMz, we call that flexibility ;)
20:54.10alteregoThe structure should come from you. Not the programming language.
20:56.19alteregoI think people are scared of dynamic langauges like Ruby and Python, because they're used to getting hundreds of compiler errors. Which makes them feel like bad programmers. The majority of compilation errors are typos and other really small silly mistakes. All of which are made appearant when a program is run in a dynamic language aswell.
20:57.22Takmmm, wrestling with muddy bytes
20:57.39alteregoThe advantages C have over these other languages. Speed, low-level hardware interaction etc. Can all be done in these high level languages by making small C extensions to do the low level task and abstract to a nice high level interface.
20:58.12straind|R: Not bad.  It's a really nice GPS unit as long as you don't lose it. :)
20:58.41FMzalterego: I like that idea.
20:58.45alteregoFMz, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/Examples/basic_application.rb.txt
20:58.55alteregoThat is a minimal maemo application
20:59.18alteregoEquivalent to the first example in the "official" maemo tutorial but in Ruby not C.
20:59.38FMzThat's.... simple.
20:59.42FMzo_O
20:59.47FMzI... I think I love it.
21:00.01TakI should add a simple rubygame example
21:00.17alteregoTak, you write it I'll stick it in the examples directory :)
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21:03.21FMzSo, is Hildon just a gtk library?
21:03.36alteregoThe majority is yes.
21:03.39p|uaps :)
21:03.43czralterego, one advantage of C is also "what is get is what you get", instead of the interpreter doing stuff with memory allocations and like behind your back.
21:03.53czrthat is not achievable with "small extensions written in C".
21:03.59alteregoczr, that's an advantage?
21:04.11czrassuming you know what you want, yes.
21:04.13alteregoI'd rather forget about memory allocation :P
21:04.18czrsee above.
21:04.28czrgranted, I'd rather write GUI stuff in python as well.
21:04.43czrGTK+ is just mainly painful with C.
21:04.57alteregoI'm not sure I understand what that statement is supposed to mean.
21:05.04czrwhich one?
21:05.05_Monkeywhich one is it? :)
21:05.25alteregoYour C advantage about manual memory management
21:05.53alteregoYou can manually manage memory in Ruby, but there's not really much point for the most part.
21:05.54czrno. the advantage being that C does not have runtime stuff running behind your back. this includes memory management, but also other things.
21:05.56hircusalterego, czr: tried Vala yet?
21:05.58FMzI think I'm going to install Ruby on my girlfriend's PC to get used to using it with GTK.
21:06.15alteregohircus, I've heard of it. Not tried it no.
21:06.22czrhircus, nope. saw the example snippets though. doesn't seem to have too much docs though. looks interesting.
21:06.25alteregoFMz, good plan.
21:06.34hircusthere's a live CD project for Maemo that has Vala bundled with some nice examples
21:06.53alteregoThe ruby-gnome2 project (home of ruby-gtk) is really good.
21:07.04hircusyes, the documentation is still a bit lacking. the last release actually uses devhelp for docs, so it's a big improvement
21:07.19czrhircus, a tutorial would be nice
21:07.34czrsomething that would reimplement the basic stuff from the maemo tutorial for example. just as a comparative thingy.
21:08.00hircusczr: true. let me look at what the examples in the live CDs are -- they're more comprehensive than the ones on the Vala site
21:08.10czrah. only seen the site really.
21:08.53hircusczr: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
21:09.04hircusyou can just check out the vala code examples from SVN
21:09.12czralterego, btw, please don't think that I'm bashing ruby/any other interpreted language. I love them. I just don't agree that you can get _all_ of the advantages (real or perceived) of C in higher-level languages.
21:09.38hircusjust checked -- four Hildon examples of varying complexities
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21:09.52alteregoThough, I'd pretty much done that already.
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21:09.57czrhircus, reading source code is no the same as a tutorial :-)
21:10.06czrhircus, I might take a look when I have some spare time.
21:10.26lopzhola
21:10.46FMzFor anyone with an inquisitive mind, reading source code is better than a tutorial ;)
21:10.51FMzIMHO, of course....
21:10.55czrhircus, btw, do you know whether it's stable enough to be used in a real program? or is it subject to change still?
21:10.57hircusczr: I agree, though at least it's not as painful. You can generally read a C# tutorial to learn the language (though not the API)
21:11.25czrFMz, then my mind must be very boring by your standards.
21:11.42hircusczr: they don't have complete bindings for everything, but there's a binding generator tool to wrap GLib-based libs, you can manually bind C functions, or ask upstream to include new things
21:11.49czrI was more thinking in general acceptance. not me personally.
21:12.28czrthinking of even.
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21:12.28hircusczr: it just outputs C code, so the parts that it can compile should work just fine
21:12.31czrhircus, that wasn't really the question :-)
21:12.35FMzNah, anyone that can do anything with any of this stuff is actually quite respectable to me.
21:12.48TakGlade makes GUI stuff equally painless in any language
21:12.59czrthe question was: assume someone uses vala to write a program _now_. what are the odds that the same program will compile and build in the future?
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21:16.05FMzIs there a good reference for Ruby functions?  i.e.  php.net's massive centralized list.  Google doesn't seen to know about one
21:16.06hircusczr: ah
21:16.56hircusczr: there's been one incompatible change made so far, IIRC -- some syntactic change. My impression has been that the language spec is quite stable, but I've not tried writing large apps in it
21:17.07czrhircus, right.
21:17.10alteregoFMz, http://ruby-doc.org/core & http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib
21:17.45alteregoFMz, everything there is in the standard ruby distribution.
21:18.28FMzWow... that's purdy... thanks again Alter... you do well in preaching the good news of the Rubydom
21:18.38alteregoHeh :)
21:18.43alteregoI try not to preach.
21:18.47czrhe sleeps with ruby :-)
21:18.52alteregoI just try to sound enthusiastic ;)
21:18.56czrI have a written confession somewhere!
21:19.03alterego:)
21:19.28straindGotta go get the kids dressed and ready to eay.
21:19.33strainds/eay/eat
21:20.19czrhmm. can't find the evidence. pity.
21:20.54alteregoProbably be somewhere near the place I said I'd like a girlfriend called Ruby
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21:21.25alteregoI think you said something about a girl called Python would be a butch lesbian in some prison or something.
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21:22.17czr"Nov 07 16:36:41 <alterego>      All I need to do is find a girl called Ruby .."
21:22.26czrhmm. somewhere around there :-)
21:22.40czralthough I'm guessing the timestamp is not UTC.
21:23.30czralterego, does ruby have working co-routines?
21:24.02suihkulokkithere's 500+ people called ruby on facebook, many seem to be women ;)
21:24.20czrsuihkulokki, what about women called python?
21:24.26alteregoHahah
21:24.44suihkulokkiI
21:24.47suihkulokkierr
21:24.53czrwe all err at some point.
21:24.57suihkulokkiI'm not sure I want to search for that :P
21:25.01hircusczr: well, if we go to the superclass (Snake) it's a common male nickname :P
21:25.05czrheh. can't blame you :-)
21:25.13alteregoczr, yes.
21:25.16hircusPythons and Boas are related, and Boa is a female name in Korea, I think
21:25.30czrhmm. close enough!
21:25.41alteregoYou can pass a block to a method and it can yeild to that block whenever.
21:25.51suihkulokkiElizabeth Python
21:25.53alteregoThe block can also cause the method to halt execution.
21:26.15suihkulokkiczr: seems to be a american cheerleader ;)
21:26.26czralterego, so I can have a function implementation where depending on stuff, it can suspend itself, so that externally it can be restarted exactly from the position where it paused itself?
21:26.43alteregoAre you talking about continuations?
21:26.48czrsuihkulokki, thanks. invites to the wedding are already in the mail
21:26.49doublecruby has continuations
21:27.20czrnot sure what you want to call them. co-routines is what they were originally called ages ago.
21:27.28suihkulokki:P
21:27.30czrmaybe co-routines means something else nowadays then :-)
21:27.48alteregoI don't really use them but I can see how they can be useful in say stream processing etc.
21:28.03czrstream processing, packet processing, event processing.
21:28.17czranything where you don't have all the data available in order to finish the operation.
21:28.24alteregoRight
21:28.41hircusczr: Python lets you do that too, right?
21:28.50hircusfrom 2.4 onwards
21:28.52alteregoSure, Python has continuations.
21:29.04hircusI think the term is generators
21:29.06czrI'd think so. I don't do high-perf stuff in python though.
21:29.11alteregoPython has closures to right?
21:29.13czrah, but generators is not the same at all..
21:29.30hircusfull-scale continuations as used in languages like Scheme, let you capture a control point anytime, and resume to it later
21:29.40hircusi.e. you can also rewind, not just pause and play
21:30.03czrthat's what I'm looking for. although the rewinding seems tad to much.
21:30.06alteregoI get what czr is saying. He's talking about flip-flop methods.
21:30.15czrtoo much even.
21:30.23czralthough transactional cancelling would be ok too.
21:30.28hircusPython has closures, yes. but its lambda construct is not fully-featured (you can create a function and then pass it as a return value, which does the same thing)
21:30.48alteregoInterestings.
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21:31.05alteregoRuby's blocks are awesome.
21:31.14hircusczr: confusing terminology, I guess. Python generator functions are co-routines, and you can pass them arguments when resuming
21:31.21hircusalterego: have they fixed it in 1.9 though?
21:31.21alteregoEspecially with closures. Makes creating event handlers super cool ;)
21:31.33hircusin Ruby 1.8 you have this problem:
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21:31.38hircusx = 42
21:31.39czrhircus, probably. but python generators are fairly limited imho
21:31.46hircus{|x| x = 20 }
21:32.00timelessanyone here want to play a detective game?
21:32.02hircusif your code block uses names that are defined outside, the internal value leaks out
21:32.04timelessit's lots of fun
21:32.12alteregohircus, I thought that was a feature.
21:32.13hircustimeless: game?
21:32.13_Monkeyit has been said that game is being done in javascript, if I don't have a pixel buffer to prepare svg graphics at the beginning of a level instead of when it comes on screen, I'll have to substitute with prerendered png sprite sheets.
21:32.18alterego:)
21:32.24|Rwho was looking for a bluetooth adapter suggestion earlier?
21:32.25hircusalterego: um :P
21:32.33timelesshircus, i give you a url, and you try to decide what it's doing
21:32.34timelesshttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/660_BUG65511.imgdoc_zoom.diff?root=browser&r1=587&r2=590&pathrev=597
21:32.36alteregohircus, my only issue with blocks are a block can't accept a block ;)
21:32.36timelessthat's a url
21:32.40timelesswhat's it doing? :)
21:32.48|RCirago BTA-3210 works great in linux for me and is the smallest you can get i guess :) (for whoever was asking)
21:32.48timelesseveryone can play :)
21:33.12hircusalterego: I guess in both Ruby and Python, blocks / lambdas are not 100% equivalent to full-blown functions
21:33.16timelesshttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?root=browser&rev=590&view=rev
21:33.22timelessis the "description" for what it's doing
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21:33.51GeneralAntillesMagic, timeless?
21:33.52alteregohircus, yeah. But it's a distinction that isn't as bad a side effect in ruby as it is in Python.
21:34.01timelesswell, yes...
21:34.09timelessbut that's not quite helpful :)
21:34.32alteregoGod, C++
21:34.35alteregoThat's ugly code :P
21:34.44timelessthis isn't c++
21:34.49czralterego, what bad side effect would that be?
21:34.56timelessit's patch-ghetti
21:35.06sp3000mmm diffs of diffs
21:35.22timelesssp3000: fun ain'tit?
21:35.31sp3000I duppose if you mix some debian in you could possibly manage to get diffs of diffs of diffs?
21:35.38alteregoczr, side effect being the small head ache you get when something doesn't work to your expectations.
21:35.55czralterego, can you be more specific how exactly ruby is better in this aspect then?
21:35.57alteregoI didn't mean it in the context of a program ;)
21:35.57sp3000but that could get a little hard to follow eventually
21:36.09timelesssp3000: click "View Patch Patch"
21:36.12timelessspeaking of hard to follow
21:36.13czralterego, maybe I misunderstood then :-)
21:36.41sp3000wtfbbq
21:36.57straind|R: Are you able to remove that BT adapter from a usb port?  It's tiny!
21:36.59alteregoPfft, I've not used Python since 2.4 what would I know :P
21:37.02sp3000that's pretty clever :D
21:37.03czrruby continuations seem to be the closest thing to "co-routines" I was looking for.
21:37.21alteregoczr, or you could just write a couple of co-routines.
21:37.24timelessarg
21:37.33sp3000somebody is emitting their chrome from the wrong place
21:37.37timelessi'm now "timeless -"
21:37.52czralterego, please be more specific (what you mean by co-routine).
21:38.01alteregoczr, I'll hack an example hang on.
21:38.08czrright. just don't use ruby.
21:38.19czrpseudocode preferred.
21:38.21alteregoWhy not?
21:38.25czrI don't read ruby.
21:38.42alteregoIt'll be easy to read don't worry ;)
21:38.48czroh, ok then.
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21:39.55alteregoHmm ..
21:40.07timelesssp3000: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2238
21:40.13alteregoI need something that'll become full. So I'm immitating it with a "max_size" variable.
21:41.05timelesssp3000, should i reopen https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2136 or file a new bug? :)
21:41.25czralterego, np, I'll go out for a smoke, brb.
21:43.37timelesshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2239
21:45.58sp3000do you have a first name?
21:46.18sp3000oh, they're both required fields, meh
21:48.06timelessit's stupid
21:48.12timelessthe right fix is to make them not required fields
21:48.22timelessbut instead, they wallpapered over the problem in one of N places
21:48.27alteregoczr, http://pastie.caboo.se/115634
21:48.28timelessotoh, i feel right at home
21:48.34timelessa browser engineer would have done the same thing :)
21:48.51timelessI think this is what's called "problem based requirement design"
21:48.54alteregoczr, that's one approach to what I think you're talking about ;)
21:49.08milhousetimeless - got a bugzilla question
21:49.17timelessn.b. in this context "engineers" and "browser engineers" are people working for Nokia
21:49.27milhouseAm seeing posts such as "*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***"
21:49.29timelessand should not be confused with Mozilla engineers or Gecko engineers
21:49.33alteregoczr, it should be pretty self explanatory.
21:49.35timelessmilhouse: ok...
21:49.35czralterego, what is |var| ?
21:49.52alteregoThey're parameters to the block.
21:49.56milhouseapparently it's due to a bugzilla setting and appears whenever someone votes for a bug... i personally find it freaking annoying
21:50.15sp3000milhouse: generally that means the reporter voted for it
21:50.16alteregoJust like: func(var, var, var); as a prototype in C. They declare the parameter names for use in the block
21:50.23czralterego, ah.
21:50.38milhouseyeah, i thought it was someone being a smartass at first but apparently it's a bugzilla setting
21:50.40timelessoh man, that's stupid
21:50.47milhousesomeone must have enabled it recently - never used to do that
21:50.57milhouseand frankly i don't think it adds any value
21:50.58timelessi enabled it, halfway
21:50.58sp3000recently as in months at least
21:51.09timelessi forced people to file bugs as unconfirmed
21:51.11milhousemaybe - i've just noticed it then! :)
21:51.13timelessbut i didn't set a useful threshold
21:51.15czralterego, generator do |buffer| = ?
21:51.29alteregoczr, So the bottom bit. That calls the 'generator' method supplying itself as a block. Which is then called at the end of each loop with a buffer full of num's.
21:51.58alteregoyield calls the do ... end stuff from within the generator method.
21:52.10timelesshttps://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=has+been+confirmed
21:52.15timelessthere are only 15 such bugs
21:52.28milhouseyeah
21:52.34timelessok, so an explanation
21:53.03timeless1. i don't want people who don't know what they're doing filing bad bugs
21:53.03timeless2. see 1
21:53.03milhouseand a lot of them for the same guy - john rudd - hence my initial thought someone was being a smart ass
21:53.03czralterego, "supplying itself as a block"?
21:53.03milhousecheck bug 2087 for instance
21:53.03_MonkeyBug 2087 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2087
21:53.03milhouseoops, bug 2097
21:53.03_MonkeyBug 2097 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2097
21:53.09alteregoczr, it's quite a simple concept but I'm a retard when it comes to explaining things. When you call a method in Ruby. You may also supply a complimentary block. That block can be invoked using 'yield' or stored in a variable.
21:53.20timeless3. the best way to do that is to force people who don't know what they're doing not to file bad bugs is to force them not to have canconfirm
21:53.24czrbleh. I think I see what you mean though. that's a generator in python. not the thingy I'm really looking for.
21:53.38timeless4. maemo uses voting, which is fine (20 votes per person per product, 1 vote per bug)
21:53.51alteregoczr, it's sort of syntactic sugar for supplying an anonymous function.
21:53.56timeless5. the default votes to confirm is 1 (which is stupid, it should be 2, sp3000 or i could file a bug upstream)
21:54.03czralterego, ah, anonymous function then ;-)
21:54.17timelessnow, the first bug you showed had 3 votes
21:54.28timelessmy first reaction to complaints would have been to set the value to 3
21:54.33timelessbut that wouldn't have helped here
21:54.52timelessso the follow on question is how many votes should it take
21:54.58milhousetimeless - re 5, could you? it would be better if the threshold was higher, having it set at 1 is nuts
21:55.12czralterego, suppose you have some method in some object that will be called from 'generator' and it cannot return immediately. if it yields (internally), what will happen?
21:55.22timelessyeah, i cna change it, but i need to pick a number
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21:55.27timelessis 5 a better number?
21:55.34sp3000stats?
21:55.53alteregoczr, nothing. Unless generator supplies a block to that method.
21:55.58milhouseyeah i didn't mean 2087 - i meant 2097, it has only one vote and one comment...
21:56.10milhousetimeless - 4 or 5 sounds ok to me
21:56.14milhousego with 5
21:56.16milhouse:)
21:56.18timelessoddly, jake voted for 1458 and then removed the vote
21:56.29timelessso he gamed voting
21:56.33czralterego, ok. I'm looking for an "effortless" way to suspent the execution of some function/method call chain. until data is available to the method at the bottom level and it can continue.
21:56.35sp3000heh
21:56.45czralterego, hence, continuations looked much more fit for that use.
21:57.01alteregoczr, ah.
21:57.05timelessjake kinda sorta *owns* bugzilla
21:57.13milhousetimeless - i think even 3 would be ok to be honest
21:57.24sp30005+ is 54 bugs apparently
21:57.29timelessi'm thinking 3
21:57.30alteregoczr, asynchronously?
21:57.37czralterego, of course :-)
21:57.38timelesssp3000: oh, interesting point
21:57.52alteregoczr, not entirely sure it's possible without threads :)
21:58.10czralterego, but nevermind, don't break your head thinking about it. I have an engine that does this using C and micro-contexts. very similar to how erlang does its magic, but much faster.
21:58.21timelesssp3000: please remind me to find an engineer working on bug 2053
21:58.22_MonkeyBug 2053 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2053
21:58.25timelessthey need to be yelled at
21:58.35czrtheres some asm involved, standard C doesn't allow interesting stuff.
21:58.39alteregoczr, sounds neat :) Why do you get all the interesting stuff ;)
21:58.58czralterego, I'm weird enough? it's not work related though. not directly at least.
21:59.08sp3000https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=votes&format=table&action=wrap
21:59.09alteregoAh
21:59.20timelessi'm leaning to 3
21:59.25czralterego, I get >5M context switches from cold cache situation on a 2GHz P4 (random ones)
21:59.41czralthough it's slightly unfair as each coroutine doesn't actually do anything.
21:59.47alteregoHeh
21:59.50czr>20M with hot-caches.
21:59.53timelessyeah, john rudd is gaming the system
21:59.53czrper second that is.
22:00.01timelessbut he took advantage of an error, that's my fault
22:00.01alteregoOf course.
22:00.25alteregoczr, are these coroutines anything like my callback methods?
22:00.33czralterego, debugging the stuff is pretty close to impossible though. gdb segfaults :-)
22:00.37czralterego, oh no.
22:00.41alteregoHeh
22:01.01czrthey're much closer to the continuations stuff. no anonymous functions required at all.
22:01.07alteregoI don't entirely understand this idea.
22:01.47czrthink about regular function call chains. function a calls function b calls function c which cannot continue immediately. it is then frozen until an external event will unfreeze it and it will continue.
22:01.58czr(and at some point return to b, and return to a)
22:02.23alteregoRight
22:02.26czrpoint being that implementing a and b do not need any special support for this. they're used just like regular functions
22:02.41alteregoAh.
22:03.07czrI wanted to implement a fast memory allocator for this as well, but decided that C isn't really useful for that
22:03.09alteregoSo, without recursion?
22:03.16czrmaybe I'll rewrite it using LLVM at some point.
22:03.18alteregoMore like leap frogging or something.
22:03.42czrrecursion has nothing to do with this. functions can recurse if they want.
22:04.00alteregoI'm just looking at an example on wikipedia.
22:04.07czralterego, think of a simple UDP-based networking application. you send a request and can continue only after a response (or a timeout)
22:04.36czrsearch for 'co-routine implementation in C'. most of them don't work properly and do not support external wakeups though.
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22:04.43timelesssp3000: can you look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c19
22:04.45alteregoHeh
22:04.49timelessi want to know how that works?
22:04.53czrit's pretty crazy though, don't expect to find anything that works :-)
22:04.57timelesss/.$/./
22:05.14milhousetimeless - _monkey can help with bug references, eg. bug 2146 comment 19
22:05.26milhouseoh bugger, that should have worked...
22:05.31timelessi'd have to copy them
22:05.34milhousebug 2146 comment 19
22:05.37timelessthe urls are easier to reach
22:05.38milhousehmmm... borked
22:05.56doublecprotothreads is quite nice: http://www.sics.se/~adam/pt/
22:05.58milhouse_monkey has dieed
22:06.06doublecfor C anyway
22:06.10alteregoCrap.
22:06.15sp3000timeless: which part
22:06.30czralterego, the thing gets much more interesting once you want multiple concurrent co-routine domains ("threads" or whatever you want to call them).
22:06.38alteregoThe API breaks between bora and chinook are kind of annoying.
22:06.57czralterego, and obviously memory allocation and transactional cancellation is pretty hard to do (impossible in C pretty much).
22:06.58timelesssp3000: how it's sharing passwords
22:07.05timelessis it using an external js file?
22:07.12timelessif so, i can include that from a random site, right?
22:07.21alteregoI think I'll just stop ruby-maemo support < OS2008
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22:07.50milhousebug 2146 comment 19
22:07.50_MonkeyBug 2146 comment 19 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c19
22:07.54timelessthat's funny
22:07.57milhouse_monkey good boy
22:07.58_Monkey:)
22:08.07timelessi set votes to confirm or misdirected to 20
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22:11.25timelessmilhouse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403094 filed
22:11.26timelessthanks
22:11.51milhouseno thank you :)
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22:12.38timelessanyway, if 3 becomes an issue, well.... it's easily bumpable
22:12.56milhousedoes that mean in maemo bugzilla the setting is now 3?
22:13.05timelessyes
22:13.11milhousecool, many thanks
22:13.24timelessmost of the bugs i saw had about 3 people complaining about them
22:13.34timelessand they were generally real enough
22:14.03timelessmaking the number too high can encourage people to game the system by creating clone accounts
22:14.43milhousenot sure i can see the point myself - not sure votes have that much influence
22:15.21milhouseat least not much influence in maemo bugzilla, maybe more influence elsewhere
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22:16.29timelesswhat's #milhouse ??
22:17.37sp3000heh 'This may be due to me missing the "do not use capital letters" in the username section when I created the account.'
22:18.49timeless"10 people consistnetly strongly feel this is important"
22:19.18timelessengineers generally ignore voting
22:19.38timelessbut at least, in a world like this w/ a company, it's potentially useful
22:20.14timelessthe reason for the comment itself is because votes are transient
22:20.33timelessif a bug has 2 votes today, is unconfirmed, and the threshold is 3
22:20.48timelessyou want something to record when/why/how the bug transitioned to confirmed
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22:21.28timelessnow,bugzilla  could theoretically seal into the activity log a list of all the voters it took to confirm the bug
22:21.34timelessbut... it doesn't :)
22:21.53milhouseblimey... bug 621 can be closed now surely?
22:21.54_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621
22:22.10milhouse(just going through the top voted bugs...)
22:22.25milhouse621 has 19 votes - "Unable to use 2GB MMC cards" :)
22:23.00timelesscan you go through fixed bugs and set target milestones to the version that had the fix?
22:23.13milhouseme? i can give it a try
22:23.19milhouseshould i close them too?
22:23.24milhouse-> CLOSED?
22:23.40timelesspersoanlly i'd just move things to verified
22:23.49milhousewho should close the bug?
22:23.53timelessi like to reserve closed for an admin to come up w/ a story
22:24.14timelessarguably products that have shipped or retired are a fairly good choice
22:24.22milhousei'd agree, but do we have anyone doing that?
22:24.31timelessso probably all verified 770 bugs should transition to closed
22:24.40timelessbut that'd involve talking to jake/quim
22:24.43timelessand i have other problems
22:24.56timeless<PROTECTED>
22:24.59milhousebug 621 should have been closed when OS 2006 3.2006.49-2 (or was it 2.2006.39-14?) shipped
22:24.59_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621
22:25.11timelessdunno
22:25.13sp3000dunno if closed adds a whole lot of value
22:25.15timelessfinding the release notes is a pain
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22:25.27milhousesp3000 - takes it out of the searches
22:25.31sp3000ew
22:25.55sp3000in the general case anyhow
22:26.05milhouse:) i guess i could exclude resolved from my search!
22:26.28timelesshttp://nokia770.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/2200639-14-it2006-release-notes/
22:26.30milhouseanyone remember when 2gb support was added - 2nd or 3rd release of OS 2006?
22:26.32timelessit's that one
22:26.40timelessit's explicitly listed :)
22:26.45timelesso Capability to use 2GB RS-MMC memory cards
22:26.50milhousethat looks like 3.2006 - thanks timeless
22:27.29timelessno
22:27.33milhouseooh... now the milestone is in terms of maemo... so 3.2006 of OS 2006 is 2.1?
22:27.35timeless#
22:27.35timeless# 2.1 - 2.2006.39-14 scirocco
22:27.40milhouse2.2?
22:27.41_Monkeywell, 2.2 is the latest official it2006
22:27.46timelessgah
22:27.52timeless2.2006.39-14 IT2006 Release Notes
22:27.56timelessso it's 2.1
22:28.05milhouseah ok - thanks
22:28.08timelesshttp://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/
22:28.15timelesshas the "table"
22:28.45milhousehandy
22:28.57timelessyeah :)
22:29.29timelessHave I visited this website before today? Yes, 32 times
22:29.34milhouseupdated milestone to 2.1 on bug 621, left it resolved fixed
22:29.34timeless(so says minefield)
22:29.34_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621
22:29.43milhousehave just emailed about 30 peeps... :)
22:29.58timelessi've visited the internal one ~400 times :)
22:30.22timelesscourse, part of that might have been while i was writing the page :)
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22:33.08milhousebug 976 was fixed in 3.2 i believe... anyone disagree?
22:33.08_MonkeyBug 976 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976
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22:33.21timelesssp3000: how's bug 65511 look?
22:33.21_MonkeyBug 65511 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65511
22:33.32timelessor it might not be!
22:33.40alteregoHmm .. I'm going to have to restructure my project page.
22:33.59alteregoI didn't think about different package versioning ..
22:34.03milhousetimeless - doesn't look like anyone is willing to verify it's fixed!
22:34.06alteregoindependant version even ..
22:34.10bstockhey i'm trying to install maemo mapper on OS2006, its saying 'Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.24-3) but 0.12.22-1 is to be installed'
22:34.26bstockis there a repo or something for hildon-libs0 i can add?
22:34.30alteregobstock, look at the numbers.
22:34.34sp3000that looks like in a likely range for a tracker I can't see from here :)
22:34.41timelessmilhouse: well, they claim it was fixed in a release, 3.2 seems like the only one
22:34.48bstockalterego: ya, it wants a newer version of hildon-libs
22:35.01alteregoMaybe you should update to OS2007HE
22:35.05timelessoh, could you set the hardware, os, and version?
22:35.18timelessn800/itos/3.0
22:35.22bstocklast time i tried that, i couldn't run maemo mapper at all, nor xournal
22:35.31bstockand those are the 2 apps i use most heavily
22:35.51milhousetimeless - done
22:35.55timelessmilhouse: there are 17 voters, a reporter, and 2 cc's
22:36.18milhouseyou'd think someone would have commented if it was still happening
22:36.25timelessi think it's not unreasonable to make a note to yourself to send them an email in 7 days asking if any of them have had problems, have not upgraded, etc
22:37.07alteregoHmm, I'm gonna be releasing 0.3.0 tomorrow.
22:37.25alteregoWell, I could do it tonight I guess.
22:38.09timelessgah, sp3000, what version do you have?
22:38.14timelessi think i have 39 and maybe a 42
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22:38.52sp3000still w26 :D
22:39.57timelesshrm, i should use a picure from stress for his :)
22:43.40timelessum, bluetooth is flaky
22:45.06sp3000use gnomevfs-copy from command-line :P
22:45.10timelessnice, web browser pops to front at least twice while loading in the "background"
22:46.11sp3000whodunnit, content or chrome
22:46.29alteregotimeless, yeah. That's f*cking annoying.
22:46.57sp3000clearly I don't download things enough :)
22:47.22timelesssp3000: download?
22:47.23_Monkeydownload is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs.
22:47.27alteregoI get that from opening pages and task switching
22:47.31timelessi'm talking about launching from tn
22:47.31alteregoNot downloading files.
22:47.37timelessand then opening images(app from tn)
22:47.48timelessit pops o front twice while i'm using images
22:47.58milhousealterego: me too, fcking annoying
22:48.06alterego:)
22:48.19sp3000hum
22:48.26sp3000I don't think I see that
22:49.08sp3000that is, infrequently enough that I'd like to blame content for asking for something resembling that
22:49.19milhousesp3000: try and view a complex page and then switch away to another window/app using the task switch - it's nigh on impossible depending on the complexity of the page being downloaded
22:49.33milhousei wonder if it's got anything to do with changing page title etc.
22:49.34timelessoh, sp3000?
22:49.54timelesscan you find an image that's 600x300?
22:50.12timelessat that size, it should fit into the browser normally, right?
22:50.15sp3000milhouse: testcase?
22:50.17sp3000can I blame a plugin? :)
22:50.31timelesssp3000: suppose you zoom that image
22:50.34milhousesp3000: hmm... tricky... i tend to notice it on forum pages
22:50.42timelesssay to 240%
22:50.52timelessat this point, the image will no longer fit on the screen, right?
22:51.02timelesswhat should happen if you tap the image? :)
22:51.11sp3000istr there might be some forum software that is/canbeconfiguredtobe focus() happy?
22:52.20milhousemind you, the task switcher and application focus is pretty screwed up - see bug 2185
22:52.21_MonkeyBug 2185 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2185
22:53.40timelesscool.
22:53.56timelessyou can't click to shrink an image if it's 600x360 and it is zoomed to 240% :)
22:55.09sp3000hrm, our history isn't gooey-configurable to a useful size?
22:55.10alteregoHahah
22:55.24timelessof course not
22:55.31timelessbut you can gooey configure some "cache"
22:55.37timelessand "automatic redirection"
22:55.45sp3000timeless: like http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/an-image-that-is-600x300.png ?
22:55.48timelessthat's the red button painted on the side of a wall
22:55.54timelessit doesn't do anything :)
22:56.06timelesssp3000: i used Images, loaded panda, and used resize 75% :)
22:56.41timelesssorry :)
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23:05.06timelesszooming an image doesn't trigger "Updating"
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23:05.18timelesseven tough tthat'd be bboth logical and useful
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23:06.32sp3001not that I'm interested in the history size being gooey-configurable, more like it being of a useful size :\
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23:06.37timelesswha do you mean by history?
23:06.41timelessbfcache, back/forward nav?
23:06.47timelesshistory count?
23:06.55timeless(i.e. window)
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23:09.08sp3000the one that saves me typing :)
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23:11.27timelessvkb :)
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23:12.06sp3000vkb is somewhat less informed in that input domain :\
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23:13.36sp3000hm, 9 days apparently. it's short enough to feel unreliable
23:14.08sp3000but of course it depends on usage pattern from user to another how frequently it'll fail
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23:45.35timelesssp3000:
23:45.36timeless<PROTECTED>
23:45.36timelessonce first before you can use tap to shrink to fit after having previously
23:45.36timelessscaled an image in the window.
23:45.49timelessthat bug's *great* :)
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