| 00:06.47 | zerojay | alterego: Got an e-mail address I can reach you at? |
| 00:07.25 | alterego | t-swindell at msn.com |
| 00:08.02 | zerojay | k, I'll send you an e-mail sometime tomorrow outlining the setup wizard app we talked about a few days ago, if you're still interested. |
| 00:08.21 | alterego | Sure |
| 00:09.23 | zerojay | I'm working on the video center stuff right now. |
| 00:10.09 | alterego | Nice. |
| 00:10.25 | alterego | I'm just rewriting the GUI for my Task/Todo list application. |
| 00:10.28 | alterego | Then I'll release it tomorrow. |
| 00:10.38 | zerojay | Cool. |
| 00:11.01 | alterego | Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. And it is a good example of how to create ruby programs for maemo :) |
| 00:11.45 | zerojay | http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/test.php - Looking to set up something where users can contribute links, tested by admins to see if they work on the tablets before added... RSS feed can tell people that new shows were added to the database which they can add to video center directly from the RSS reader. :) |
| 00:12.25 | zerojay | Oh.. er.. top link won't work.. alternate audio feed should. |
| 00:12.31 | zerojay | Missed something. ;) |
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| 00:13.14 | alterego | Nice. |
| 00:13.57 | zerojay | There, fixed. |
| 00:14.12 | zerojay | Clicking on the links on the tablet launches video center directly. |
| 00:14.55 | alterego | Nice |
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| 00:24.50 | sciboy | Wow my app manager is broken |
| 00:26.44 | alterego | How badly? |
| 00:28.18 | sciboy | I'm stuck using dpkg and apt-get because it doesn't like something i have installed. |
| 00:28.51 | sciboy | Can't install anything new through it |
| 00:41.31 | |R | sciboy : are you sure it's just not a question of repository settings? |
| 00:41.46 | |R | if one of them(like my tableteer) doesn't work with it's gpg key, it may stop i think |
| 00:41.55 | |R | Or some other reasons... haven't really invastigated |
| 00:43.21 | sciboy | the key issues never prevented it before. |
| 00:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | What's the log/error? |
| 00:45.57 | sciboy | Can't be bothered right now, i'm just ignoring it |
| 00:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | Then why bring it up? :P |
| 00:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Why is it that ITT is filled with loonies? |
| 00:47.18 | sciboy | Because i can. |
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| 00:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ha. New rule, if you don't want help, please make a note of it: <GeneralAntilles> My x wont work. (I don't want help) |
| 00:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 00:54.26 | |R | hehe |
| 00:54.50 | |R | GeneralAntilles : what kind of loonies? :) |
| 00:55.07 | GeneralAntilles | All sorts |
| 00:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | and they're dragging my down with them. |
| 00:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | See, I can't even type right. |
| 00:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | *me |
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| 01:00.52 | sciboy | It's still called jabber right? |
| 01:01.20 | |R | uh yes :) |
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| 01:09.46 | |R | GeneralAntilles screams: Thiiiisss isssssss #### MAEEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 01:09.53 | |R | hehe |
| 01:10.20 | sciboy | If we could get blenders game engine on maemo I could do a whole bunch of awesome |
| 01:11.41 | |R | hehe a vertical space shooter would be cool, with crazy options and massive weapons ;) |
| 01:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | and a time machine! |
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| 01:12.55 | |R | the game where you shoot cats? |
| 01:12.55 | |R | oh no wait, that's the incredible machine ;) |
| 01:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I really want the N800 to be a Rube Goldberg machine. |
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| 01:15.54 | deejoe | please stay away from my n800, GeneralAntilles. thank you. |
| 01:17.31 | sciboy | Needs more jigawatts. |
| 01:18.16 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, They did alot of that stuff in the bullet physics competition using blender. |
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| 01:25.01 | Lateralus | 1.21 |
| 01:27.34 | sciboy | Woo chinook. |
| 01:38.05 | javamaniac | is chinook available for n800 right now? |
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| 01:45.35 | timeless | could someone help me? |
| 01:45.43 | timeless | apt-cache is being annoying |
| 01:46.30 | TPC | timeless, you you be more specific? |
| 01:46.59 | sciboy | I require podcast entertainment. |
| 01:47.05 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf search . |
| 01:47.05 | timeless | Segmentation Fault (core dumped) |
| 01:47.36 | TPC | hm.. thats not good |
| 01:51.20 | timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/237465 |
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| 01:53.00 | lcdd | timeless: http://bugs.debian.org/81829 perhaps? |
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| 02:11.45 | fletc900 | Hello |
| 02:12.07 | fletc900 | Any Python programmers around? |
| 02:13.21 | fletc900 | Anyone? |
| 02:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | #python? |
| 02:14.32 | fletc900 | yes |
| 02:15.18 | Mikho | probably some people around who know python |
| 02:16.31 | fletc900 | I am wondering what kind of scientific Python libraries have been ported to Maemo (matplolib, numpyt, etc)....anyone have a clue? |
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| 05:20.34 | skibur_ | are the applications on OS2008 tested? If so, is OS2008 out? |
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| 05:43.16 | timeless | it's not yet out |
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| 05:46.37 | nitrogen | I'm having difficulty getting the maemo development environment set up for my N770. Has anybody in here had success with that who could offer some suggestions? |
| 05:46.56 | timeless | find a vmware image |
| 05:50.50 | nitrogen | timeless: is it that difficult to get things going on, say, ubuntu using scratchbox? |
| 05:51.23 | nitrogen | I have an environment set up, but the UI doesn't behave correctly in xephyr |
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| 05:56.23 | czr | nitrogen, which sdk, which ubuntu? |
| 05:56.41 | nitrogen | czr: 2.2, I've tried ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 |
| 05:57.16 | czr | hmm. that's odd. are you starting xephyr with the correct parameters? or can you describe the issues that you're having? |
| 05:57.18 | nitrogen | the exact filename is Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz |
| 05:57.51 | czr | (there's a problem with dapper xephyr with 4.0beta sdk, because of 4.0beta wants to use composite, which the dapper xephyer doesn't know how to do properly, but this shouldn't be an issue for you at all) |
| 05:58.13 | nitrogen | well, the people icon is missing, the left border of the hildon screen has some white rectangles where they shouldn't be, and second-level menus cause the entire menu to close |
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| 05:58.43 | czr | hmm |
| 05:58.53 | czr | the last one sounds like the timing bug from 1.0 sdk |
| 05:59.01 | czr | never used 2.2 myself |
| 05:59.04 | nitrogen | i.e. I can open the first menu, but when I try to go to "Applications" or "Web" or whatever the menu closes instead |
| 05:59.33 | czr | because the sdk doesn't come with web or applications? |
| 05:59.40 | czr | the sdk is only meant to build software |
| 05:59.49 | nitrogen | I bought the 770 when they went on sale exclusively so I could develop for it -- is there a better working version? |
| 05:59.56 | czr | you can develop with the sdk |
| 06:00.00 | czr | it's not an emulator |
| 06:00.10 | czr | it's meant to build and test _your_ software |
| 06:00.20 | nitrogen | I know, but according to the tutorial on maemo.org the UI should at least be complete |
| 06:00.34 | czr | hmm, can you make a screenshot of your xephyr now? |
| 06:00.38 | nitrogen | sure |
| 06:00.47 | czr | and put it up somewhere. |
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| 06:04.58 | nitrogen | see http://www.slimetech.com/~nitrogen/maemo_problem_1.png |
| 06:05.21 | nitrogen | vs. http://maemo.org/forrest-images/maemo_tutorial/Graphic6.png |
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| 06:18.25 | czr | hmm. never quite seen that before :-) |
| 06:18.35 | czr | have you tried stopping and restarting the af? |
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| 06:21.05 | nitrogen | czr: af-sb-init.sh stop/start ? |
| 06:21.15 | tigert | huomenta | morning :) |
| 06:22.14 | tigert | random mobility tip of the day: about:config in the mozilla browser, |
| 06:22.19 | tigert | and set |
| 06:22.30 | nitrogen | czr: many times. Could it be my version of scratchbox? (1.0.7) |
| 06:22.38 | tigert | font.min-size.variable.x-western to 16 |
| 06:22.56 | tigert | much easier to read the web while walking :) |
| 06:23.12 | tigert | and it still doesnt break layouts too much |
| 06:24.07 | czr | nitrogen, yes (for the former) |
| 06:24.33 | czr | you should check the install doc of the 2.2 sdk to see which version of SB should be used. |
| 06:24.38 | czr | as I said, I never used 2.2 |
| 06:26.42 | nitrogen | czr: restarting the interface does nothing to fix the problem - I've tried this on and off for months |
| 06:26.53 | nitrogen | but I've never tried moving to an older version of scratchbox |
| 06:27.32 | czr | maybe you should hang around and ask someone else who used 2.2. never quite seen that kind of screen |
| 06:28.40 | nitrogen | hm.. I'm using the version recommended on the tutorial, but the instructions in the tutorial don't match that version. |
| 06:28.49 | nitrogen | thanks for your help anyway |
| 06:30.13 | czr | np, good luck |
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| 07:23.06 | L0cutus | re |
| 07:23.49 | L0cutus | gpe calendar have view problem when i try to set an appointment 'weekly' |
| 07:24.01 | L0cutus | it doesn't show all the day i can check |
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| 08:36.50 | omeam | Hi #maemo |
| 08:37.17 | omeam | Is there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere? |
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| 09:16.02 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:16.57 | omeam | florian: mornin' |
| 09:17.34 | L0cutus | ciao florian |
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| 09:25.48 | omeam | sorry for double'post' - is there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere? |
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| 09:33.56 | inz | omeam, try gconftooling the keys |
| 09:35.55 | omeam | inz: i would need a reference wich tellst me wich key does what... |
| 09:37.49 | inz | omeam, try reading the schema xml files then, they should have some kind of explanation |
| 09:38.07 | inz | omeam, they're in /etc/gconf/schemas or /usr/share/gconf/schemas |
| 09:38.15 | omeam | where do i find the schemes? |
| 09:38.23 | zuh | Try http://maemo.org/downloads/product/gconf-editor |
| 09:38.26 | omeam | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.40 | omeam | zuh: ty |
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| 09:39.50 | inz | oh yeah, gconf-editor does show the descriptions |
| 09:39.59 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:47.54 | bedboi | bon dia |
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| 10:11.06 | flip^ | I read somewhere about a recent update to theme maker, but can't see anything more recent than june 07.... am i going crazy? |
| 10:13.14 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:29.21 | L0cutus | does exists 'tailf' for n800 ? |
| 10:31.09 | flip^ | as in tail -f |
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| 10:34.07 | L0cutus | woops |
| 10:34.09 | L0cutus | thanks |
| 10:36.05 | flip^ | :) |
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| 10:37.14 | rothiel | Hi all :°) |
| 10:38.44 | omeam | dumb question... is there a way to determine the current maemo-version in the scratchbox |
| 10:38.57 | omeam | something like 'uname --maemo' |
| 10:41.18 | inz | why do you want to? |
| 10:41.36 | disq | cat /etc/osso_software_version |
| 10:41.50 | inz | disq, doesn't always work |
| 10:41.52 | disq | earlier os2006 firmwares don't have it tho |
| 10:42.03 | inz | disq, my "mistral" says: "custom_27" |
| 10:42.13 | inz | disq, and my bora target doesn't have it at all |
| 10:42.18 | disq | that's your mistral's problem :P |
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| 10:52.55 | keesj | hmm in scratchbox. perhaps listing the installed packages. I guess that the best thing is to give the targets good names in order for "sb-conf cu" to give a meaningfull result |
| 10:55.09 | keesj | to what packages does /etc/osso_software_version belong :P |
| 10:58.33 | czr | dpkg -S /etc/osso_software_version ? |
| 10:58.36 | czr | yields nothing? |
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| 11:09.47 | L0cutus | lol: http://n800.gotdns.org:8080/ |
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| 11:28.20 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:36.53 | czr | hey lardman |
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| 11:51.24 | lardman | hi czr |
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| 11:58.44 | Jaffa | zerojay: Put it on Slashdot and we could watch it physically melt. |
| 12:00.21 | zerojay | This 3rd party repository for video center feeds was such a good idea. |
| 12:00.49 | zerojay | Everything's a one click install. |
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| 12:07.16 | L0cutus | zerojay: lol |
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| 12:12.37 | alterego | Good afternoon guys and girls. |
| 12:12.49 | zerojay | yo. |
| 12:13.11 | zerojay | Time for me to head to work. |
| 12:13.13 | zerojay | Later. |
| 12:13.17 | alterego | See you |
| 12:14.33 | L0cutus | ciao alterego |
| 12:14.51 | alterego | Hello L0cutus |
| 12:15.37 | alterego | I'll be releasing my first application to day :) |
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| 12:16.13 | czr | hey alterego. time to throw it out of the window finally? |
| 12:16.26 | alterego | My task list app yeah. |
| 12:16.37 | czr | is it easy to install? |
| 12:16.51 | alterego | Provided you have ruby to install. |
| 12:16.55 | alterego | It's just one package. |
| 12:17.03 | alterego | ruby installed .. |
| 12:17.05 | czr | I have stock N800 with IT2007. |
| 12:17.20 | alterego | Then you'll need libruby, ruby and rx-task |
| 12:17.28 | czr | and where can I easily get those from? |
| 12:17.44 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo3 |
| 12:17.47 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo3/armel |
| 12:17.48 | alterego | :) |
| 12:18.08 | alterego | Though I've not packaged rx-task yet. |
| 12:18.16 | alterego | Just doing some polishing of the UI |
| 12:18.31 | czr | hmm. if the whole thing will install from one .install file, I'll take it for a spin :-) |
| 12:18.34 | czr | too lazy otherwise :-) |
| 12:18.49 | alterego | I'll look into it. |
| 12:19.11 | czr | if you're announcing it, you might want to add the above points into the mail as well, if you want people to test it. |
| 12:19.21 | czr | not everybody loves ruby to death ;-) |
| 12:19.36 | alterego | :) |
| 12:22.48 | alterego | I'm sure that will all change soon enough :P |
| 12:23.17 | czr | well, if it would be as easy as clicking on the install file on the device to get everything necessary, it could change. |
| 12:23.50 | alterego | Well, I'd love it to be that simple. |
| 12:24.00 | czr | I know :-) |
| 12:24.55 | L0cutus | [13:16] <alterego> Provided you have ruby to install. |
| 12:25.02 | L0cutus | yes i've it already instaleld :) |
| 12:25.09 | L0cutus | installed* |
| 12:25.20 | alterego | Nice one L0cutus you can be my first tester then :P |
| 12:25.24 | L0cutus | lol |
| 12:26.00 | alterego | It wont be released for a few hours yet though. |
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| 12:39.19 | alterego | That sounds like fun. |
| 12:39.23 | alterego | What for? |
| 12:39.33 | czr | heh. don't ask. over-designing stuff again ;-) |
| 12:39.55 | alterego | Yeah, don't talk to be about over designing stuff. |
| 12:39.59 | czr | at least I'm not implementing recursive generators/iterators this time |
| 12:40.08 | alterego | I've abstracted this app so much even the app title is in gconf .. |
| 12:40.09 | czr | that was really fun |
| 12:40.14 | czr | heh |
| 12:40.24 | czr | can you modify the apptitle in-flight? |
| 12:40.29 | czr | using gconftool-2 --set ? |
| 12:40.34 | alterego | No |
| 12:40.49 | czr | arr, you haven't over-designed it nearly enough then! |
| 12:40.56 | alterego | Other configuration options can be. |
| 12:41.01 | alterego | But not the app title. |
| 12:42.53 | timeless | sp3000: ping |
| 12:42.59 | sp3000 | ? |
| 12:43.11 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ cat extras.sources.list |
| 12:43.11 | timeless | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 12:43.11 | timeless | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free |
| 12:43.23 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source libmissioncontrol0 |
| 12:43.37 | timeless | Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free telepathy-mission-control 4.38-1 (dsc) [572B] |
| 12:43.38 | timeless | .... |
| 12:43.41 | timeless | rm ... |
| 12:43.47 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source --only-source libmissioncontrol0 |
| 12:43.54 | timeless | E: Unable to find a source package for libmissioncontrol0 |
| 12:45.03 | timeless | why is that failing? :( |
| 12:45.55 | czr | alterego, a simple recursive if/then/elif/elifnot/ifnot/endif parser/processor really :-) |
| 12:46.05 | czr | scratch the 'then'. |
| 12:46.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:46.06 | timeless | alternatively, how do i get a list of source packages? |
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| 12:47.28 | sp3000 | timeless: libmissioncontrol0_4.33-1_i386.deb/control.tar.gz/control: Source: telepathy-mission-control |
| 12:47.51 | sp3000 | I don't quite recall if it's supposed to do that for you or not |
| 12:47.54 | timeless | yeah, but how do you find that using commands? |
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| 12:48.46 | timeless | showsrc? |
| 12:49.09 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf showsrc libmissioncontrol0|wc -l |
| 12:49.09 | timeless | 0 |
| 12:49.23 | sp3000 | there's a showsrc command? |
| 12:49.56 | timeless | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 12:50.22 | timeless | man lists i... |
| 12:50.31 | timeless | apt-cache show seems to include a source: line |
| 12:50.39 | timeless | i suppose i can go send everything through tha |
| 12:50.45 | timeless | this is going to be so much fun |
| 12:51.04 | sp3000 | yeah, that would be it pretty much |
| 12:51.13 | czr | btw, any idea on why pkg-config --list-all doesn't list all the packages in 4.0beta? |
| 12:51.32 | czr | (the packages/pc-files work when used with --cflags and --libs, but just not listed in the list) |
| 12:52.00 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf show telepathy-feed |
| 12:52.06 | timeless | i don't see a source: line here |
| 12:52.09 | timeless | what's that mean? |
| 12:52.20 | sp3000 | that the src pkg name is the same |
| 12:52.30 | timeless | oh man |
| 12:52.46 | timeless | this is going to be so much fun |
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| 12:55.46 | rothiel | re |
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| 13:03.26 | omeam | is anyone of you familiar with the soundsystem on the n800? |
| 13:03.39 | omeam | it isn't 'reak' alsa - afaik |
| 13:03.44 | omeam | s/reak/real/g |
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| 13:06.40 | timeless | ok, i'll deal w/ trying to figure out how to handle show later |
| 13:06.50 | timeless | for now, i'll have a chinook something in an hour |
| 13:11.36 | timeless | heh |
| 13:11.36 | timeless | Login name: timeless |
| 13:11.37 | timeless | Directory: /export/home/timeless Shell: /bin/zsh |
| 13:11.37 | timeless | On since Jul 13 18:34:17 on pts/35 from swift-centos |
| 13:11.37 | timeless | 82 days Idle Time |
| 13:11.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:11.56 | timeless | Login name: timeless |
| 13:11.56 | timeless | Directory: /export/home/timeless Shell: /bin/zsh |
| 13:11.56 | timeless | On since Jul 12 18:17:29 on pts/39 from swift-centos |
| 13:11.56 | timeless | 117 days Idle Time |
| 13:12.22 | erstazi | timeless: dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:12.59 | erstazi | that will be a huge list |
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| 13:13.00 | timeless | get-selections? |
| 13:13.00 | omeam | do you have a clue about the soundsystem on the n800? |
| 13:13.00 | erstazi | timeless: thats the debian way, I am not sure about the OS200X way |
| 13:13.00 | omeam | how can i control the volume when i stripped the gconf away |
| 13:13.17 | timeless | i'm in nexenta, not maemo |
| 13:13.17 | erstazi | timeless: dpkg --get-selections | grep foo |
| 13:13.21 | omeam | i stripped nearly everything off.... |
| 13:13.28 | erstazi | timeless: is nexenta debian based? |
| 13:13.36 | timeless | yes |
| 13:13.49 | erstazi | then dpkg --get-selections | grep foo should work technically |
| 13:14.03 | timeless | what would it do? |
| 13:14.09 | erstazi | list the installed packages |
| 13:14.18 | timeless | who said anything about installed pacakges? |
| 13:14.46 | erstazi | um... based off what you were looking for |
| 13:14.47 | erstazi | nm |
| 13:14.47 | timeless | nexenta is performing operations on a maemo (chinook in this case) repository and trying to retrieve sources |
| 13:14.56 | timeless | there's no installing :) |
| 13:15.15 | timeless | installing maemo (linux/arm) onto nexenta (solaris/x86_64) would be a wee bit of a disaster :) |
| 13:15.37 | erstazi | timeless: then what exactly are you doing? I see you are using apt-cache |
| 13:15.44 | erstazi | are you looking for dependencies? |
| 13:16.02 | timeless | building http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/ |
| 13:16.05 | timeless | for chinook |
| 13:16.10 | erstazi | aye |
| 13:16.20 | timeless | i try to grab all sources |
| 13:16.27 | timeless | so i don't really care about dependencies |
| 13:16.30 | erstazi | ok |
| 13:16.37 | timeless | although i don't want more than one version per package |
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| 13:17.17 | erstazi | right, automake has 3 different versions present |
| 13:17.22 | timeless | if i sanitize the script, i can stick a copy up |
| 13:17.30 | timeless | yeah, they're technically 3 different packages |
| 13:17.42 | timeless | the versions being 1.7.8/1.8.5/p6 |
| 13:17.47 | erstazi | right |
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| 13:18.02 | timeless | that's fine/expected |
| 13:18.12 | timeless | i just don't want automake1.8 1.8.0,1.8.1,1.8.2,1.8.3,... |
| 13:18.21 | erstazi | right |
| 13:18.24 | timeless | the goal is to provide a usable cross reference |
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| 13:19.44 | erstazi | nexenta seems very active |
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| 13:30.25 | timeless | ok, i got my chinook sources |
| 13:30.35 | timeless | looks like ~277 directories (top level) |
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| 13:45.53 | rothiel | Can I code a fullscreen application |
| 13:46.04 | rothiel | or it has to be in a window ? |
| 13:46.28 | rothiel | (please) |
| 13:46.31 | alterego | Making the app fullscreen in Gtk is easy. |
| 13:46.42 | alterego | Just call the 'fullscreen' method on the window you're using. |
| 13:47.34 | alterego | Probably, gtk_window_fullscreen(window, true); in C |
| 13:47.51 | alterego | Or Hildon::Window#fullscreen in Ruby |
| 13:48.50 | Tak | that's exactly what it is @ C |
| 13:51.09 | omeam | when i "dpkg -r --force-all osso-esd" it still plays sound and the volume-app still works as espected... who mixes the sound for the n800 when not esd? |
| 13:52.07 | timeless | sp3000: ok, http://swift/chinook-20071107/source/ |
| 13:52.07 | Tak | the underlying audio driver |
| 13:52.41 | timeless | i'll push that to garage as soon as the index builds |
| 13:52.54 | db48x | I think esd just controls sound events |
| 13:53.21 | omeam | Tak: who's that? |
| 13:53.44 | omeam | db48x: but i can still change the volume and it takes affect (for the media player at least) |
| 13:54.05 | db48x | omeam: right, but that's a function of the audio driver, not esd |
| 13:54.24 | omeam | so where is that ominous driver? |
| 13:55.11 | db48x | compiled into the kernel, I bet |
| 13:55.13 | rothiel | thx alterego |
| 13:55.21 | db48x | it's probably an ALSA driver |
| 13:55.51 | omeam | so where is the volume controlled?? i can only find one the entry in the gconf system |
| 13:56.10 | omeam | but it saves the volume somewhere else too |
| 13:56.25 | db48x | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 13:56.59 | omeam | building a closed system... i need as much free space as possible on the device |
| 13:57.05 | omeam | so the whole osso-stuff gets ripped away... |
| 13:57.11 | omeam | i just need X and SDL |
| 13:57.12 | omeam | and sound |
| 13:57.57 | omeam | right now i have a working 40mb version |
| 13:57.57 | omeam | but i cannot control the volume anymore |
| 13:58.05 | omeam | there are no dbus signals involved with volumecontrol as far as i see |
| 14:00.27 | db48x | I thought you said you could still control the volume? |
| 14:00.41 | omeam | when ripping away esd |
| 14:01.20 | omeam | when i rip: http://pastebin.ca/764688 i cannot control the volume anymore |
| 14:01.23 | db48x | oh, but your minimal system removed too much |
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| 14:01.51 | omeam | db48x: thats the point |
| 14:01.56 | timeless | sp3000: fwiw, the reason apt- was crashing is that i had foopy.sources.list as a symlink to a nonexistent file :) |
| 14:02.01 | omeam | just cee my paste |
| 14:02.02 | sp3000 | heh |
| 14:02.03 | db48x | I don't know what package contains the application that has the actual volume control for the user to manipulate, no |
| 14:02.04 | timeless | i guess it didn' approve |
| 14:02.31 | omeam | db48x: i do not need the app for the gui - i need a possibility to control the volume out of a program/script |
| 14:02.35 | db48x | you could do a binary search over that list to find the package, or you could write your own |
| 14:02.39 | timeless | someday we should trace through apt- and file a bug :| |
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| 14:02.54 | omeam | timeless: ? |
| 14:02.58 | db48x | I'm sure all it did was use the ALSA api to change the volume level |
| 14:03.13 | timeless | omeam: sp3000+me=we |
| 14:03.18 | omeam | so amixer should do the work? |
| 14:03.24 | omeam | timeless: what bug in apt? |
| 14:03.32 | omeam | s/what/which/g |
| 14:03.41 | timeless | oh, it kinda crashes if there's a sources.list pointing to a nonexistent file |
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| 14:03.47 | timeless | at least, it seems to :) |
| 14:03.54 | timeless | giving it a file makes it stop crashing :) |
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| 14:04.08 | omeam | timeless: is the missing file the bug or apt? |
| 14:04.24 | omeam | in a clean repo no files are missing |
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| 14:04.26 | omeam | ;) |
| 14:05.14 | omeam | now i have to re-flash my n800 - the 115 time today |
| 14:06.08 | suihkulokki | omeam: err, howabout booting from the mmc instead? |
| 14:06.22 | omeam | gives me what? |
| 14:06.36 | suihkulokki | not needing to flash every time you mess up? |
| 14:06.38 | omeam | s/^/suihkulokki/g |
| 14:07.01 | omeam | suihkulokki: i would not have to reflash but..... ?? |
| 14:07.43 | omeam | when i have messed up i have to restore - whatever - the n800 or the mmc - wheres the diff?? |
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| 14:22.56 | Tak | ugh |
| 14:23.03 | Tak | weekly reboot loop |
| 14:23.12 | keesj | :p |
| 14:23.25 | Tak | time for weekly reflash |
| 14:25.21 | keesj | deja v? |
| 14:25.23 | keesj | vu |
| 14:26.17 | omeam | Tak: time for hourly reflash ;) |
| 14:26.28 | Tak | omeam: yeah, but I'm not modifying the OS on mine |
| 14:26.40 | omeam | Tak: ;) |
| 14:27.03 | Tak | is anybody else having this kind of problem with 2007HE ? |
| 14:27.34 | omeam | ?? this kind ?? |
| 14:27.53 | Tak | device randomly going into a reboot loop, from which the only salvation is reflashing |
| 14:28.07 | omeam | nvr had that one... |
| 14:28.37 | omeam | ...often had it that it kept on rebooting when the progressbar is @~60 -90 percent |
| 14:29.03 | omeam | also had it that the progressbar stopped @ ~75% but ssh server was running |
| 14:29.15 | omeam | but i guess it was my fault most of the time ;) |
| 14:30.49 | Tak | mine doesn't even display the progress bar |
| 14:31.48 | omeam | that's strange |
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| 14:34.50 | czr | alterego, this is turning out to be more fun that I thought. |
| 14:34.58 | czr | alterego, try to do one when you have the chance :-) |
| 14:35.00 | alterego | czr, good job :) |
| 14:35.12 | czr | smt like cpp directives (more or less), but with nesting |
| 14:35.19 | czr | (cpp has nesting obviously too) |
| 14:36.20 | czr | you'll have crazy babies that way |
| 14:36.23 | czr | watch yourself :-) |
| 14:36.31 | alterego | Probably happen anyway ^_^ |
| 14:36.41 | alterego | All I need to do is find a girl called Ruby .. |
| 14:36.46 | czr | hmm. |
| 14:37.12 | czr | probably some biker-club-thingy. |
| 14:37.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:37.23 | alterego | Biker, Lesbian club |
| 14:37.30 | omeam | czr: but ruby ensures that the babies will be objects! |
| 14:37.37 | omeam | at leads |
| 14:37.39 | omeam | at least |
| 14:37.51 | alterego | Yes, purely OO family. |
| 14:38.00 | czr | python babies are free to evolve into whatever they need |
| 14:38.13 | alterego | Like Italians |
| 14:38.18 | czr | hope not :-) |
| 14:38.19 | alterego | (joke about spaghetti code) |
| 14:38.22 | alterego | :) |
| 14:38.23 | omeam | lol |
| 14:38.45 | czr | hmm. out of the 250 or so lines, 190 are OO implementation stuff |
| 14:38.54 | omeam | and what are different platforms then?? how do you see the many registers on a arm-baby? |
| 14:39.01 | czr | rest is one function to do the loading and the other is main |
| 14:39.19 | alterego | Ruby has fantastic introspection :) |
| 14:39.24 | omeam | czr: and one is /*code should not reach this point - we are fucked!*/ |
| 14:39.25 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, omeam. |
| 14:39.42 | czr | omeam, python doesn't support C++ comments ;-) |
| 14:39.55 | czr | and no. just print "UNIMPLEMENTED" things :-) |
| 14:40.04 | omeam | czr: that may be the reason that my python progs don't compile ;) |
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| 14:40.12 | alterego | Hmm .. Or maybe an actual list would be better. |
| 14:40.14 | czr | that must be it :-) |
| 14:40.48 | alterego | Are you trying to "compile" them with gcc? :) |
| 14:40.51 | czr | also, I never use the f-word in my code. TODO notes yes. CHANGELOG yes. commit logs yes. but not source code :-) |
| 14:41.02 | alterego | Hahah |
| 14:44.24 | omeam | have you ever tried to cd into your kernel-source dir |
| 14:44.43 | omeam | and then find .|xargs egrep "f..k" |
| 14:45.01 | czr | omeam, google for lxr. much nicer interface ;-) |
| 14:45.22 | omeam | what is lxr? |
| 14:45.37 | czr | http://lxr.linux.no/source/ |
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| 14:47.05 | omeam | i like linux/arch/i386/mm/extable.c line 17 |
| 14:47.19 | omeam | extern u32 pnp_bios_is_utter_crap; |
| 14:48.47 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:04.33 | czr | well. it is. isn't it :-) |
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| 15:20.35 | omeam | is there something like a documentation for the dspctl tool? |
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| 15:27.26 | lardman | there is source code for it |
| 15:27.53 | lardman | grab it from the dspgateway page, in the arm tarball |
| 15:28.03 | lardman | omeam: why are you interested? |
| 15:28.42 | omeam | maybe i can control the volume via "dspctl setvar xxx" |
| 15:29.00 | lardman | hmm, perhaps, if you could work out what variable to control |
| 15:29.18 | lardman | but iirc there's a fn call which needs to be made too |
| 15:30.10 | omeam | lardman: the alsa on the device is just emulated... |
| 15:30.28 | omeam | so where does the 'real' mixer sit? |
| 15:30.51 | lardman | I'm not sure about that |
| 15:31.12 | lardman | is it possible to play other sounds while the dsp is using the audio codec? |
| 15:31.23 | omeam | lardman: try "cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat | grep Sound" |
| 15:31.42 | lardman | no n800 infront of me atm I'm afraid |
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| 15:32.36 | omeam | pastebin.ca/764768 |
| 15:33.10 | omeam | emulation code sounds like an emulation to me ;) |
| 15:34.16 | lardman | yeah, but is that in the kernel? |
| 15:34.35 | omeam | i have no idea ;) |
| 15:34.54 | lardman | Is it possible to get things like screen taps out while gstreamer is using the dsp? that would determine whether the mixing happens before the dsp or not |
| 15:36.02 | omeam | lardman: speak with me like if i would have no clue what you are talking about |
| 15:36.07 | omeam | screen tap == screenshot?? |
| 15:36.31 | lardman | no no, screen tap, the noise it makes when you tap on the screen |
| 15:37.00 | omeam | you mean if i head clicks while listening to a mp3? |
| 15:37.05 | lardman | yes |
| 15:37.35 | omeam | yes, i hear them |
| 15:37.45 | lardman | interesting |
| 15:37.51 | omeam | but only when i set a low volume inside the media-player |
| 15:37.57 | omeam | otherwise the music is too loud |
| 15:37.59 | omeam | ;) |
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| 15:38.42 | lardman | I wouldn't expect that - I assumed the DSP opened the sound hardware for exclusive access |
| 15:39.00 | lardman | There is also an ARM-side interface in the kernel iirc, you don't have to go through the DSP |
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| 15:39.23 | lardman | therefore I assume the hardware itself does the mixing, though I don't know for sure. See what the spec sheet says |
| 15:41.21 | zoran | how could I contact operator of repository.maemo.org server? it is probably at ossostage.cidercone.com. |
| 15:42.37 | robtaylor | lardman: the dsp is doing the mixing, iirc |
| 15:43.10 | lardman | robtaylor: really, so the standard stuff also goes through the dspsink? |
| 15:43.22 | omeam | lardman: robtaylor: who controls the volume?? afaik the mixer |
| 15:43.31 | robtaylor | lardman: though the alsa emulation, again iirc |
| 15:43.35 | omeam | but when i kill esd i can still control the colume |
| 15:43.40 | omeam | volume |
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| 15:43.58 | robtaylor | my memory on this is pretty fuzzy and things changed between OS's |
| 15:44.17 | omeam | just apt-get sourced the kernel source |
| 15:44.25 | omeam | maybe i can find something there :( |
| 15:44.35 | robtaylor | omeam: probably the best reference point :) |
| 15:44.54 | Robot101 | what's the query? |
| 15:45.30 | omeam | Robot101: how can i control the volume - when i removed a lot of stuff |
| 15:46.16 | lardman | but would be interested to hear if anyone does know how it works |
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| 15:46.50 | omeam | basically all *osso* packets but *dsp* |
| 15:47.14 | lardman | ? |
| 15:47.15 | zoran | somebody from "maemo.org" server on the channel? |
| 15:47.23 | lardman | all the data are sent to the DSP you mean? |
| 15:47.36 | lardman | zoran: what's up with the repo? |
| 15:47.54 | zoran | I have a prob with domain authorization |
| 15:48.07 | lardman | zoran: mailing list might be the best bet |
| 15:48.13 | zoran | k, donna try |
| 15:48.17 | zoran | *gonna |
| 15:51.11 | omeam | kernelsourcedirectory/sound is weird! |
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| 15:55.52 | lardman | got to pop out, let me know what you find re alsa |
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| 15:57.44 | L0cutus | seems xchat doesn't support sound on maemo ? |
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| 16:02.39 | omeam | lardman: pastebin.ca/764799 |
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| 16:04.01 | lopz | hola |
| 16:05.13 | L0cutus | ciao lopz |
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| 16:12.46 | b0unc3 | there is any way to make the app manager automatically install the dependencies for a packet ? |
| 16:13.08 | fysa | can you disable quit/join messages with xcghat? |
| 16:13.18 | fysa | xchat |
| 16:13.20 | omeam | b0unc3: it should per default |
| 16:13.30 | omeam | b0unc3: apt-get does, dpkg does not |
| 16:13.43 | omeam | fysa: use iirc |
| 16:13.50 | fysa | you may need to add a repository |
| 16:14.01 | b0unc3 | omeam: but the app manager seems to not do it |
| 16:14.07 | b0unc3 | fysa: the repo is present |
| 16:14.19 | omeam | i mean ircii |
| 16:14.19 | zoran | maybe some missing libs |
| 16:14.46 | omeam | b0unc3: what repos are present (pastebin.ca your sources.list) |
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| 16:14.51 | omeam | and what do you want to install |
| 16:14.55 | fysa | for the req pkg. ie, libgtk and such are in a generic repo not added by most .install scripts |
| 16:16.35 | fysa | iirc is a horrible thing to google for ;) |
| 16:18.20 | b0unc3 | omeam: I'm creating an app that have some dependencies... the app manager found these dependencies but not install them... |
| 16:18.49 | b0unc3 | the necessary pkg are in the standar maemo extras repo... that is in my sources.list |
| 16:19.08 | omeam | b0unc3: ok... |
| 16:19.14 | omeam | fysa: i meant ircii |
| 16:19.19 | zoran | why don't you install them manualy? |
| 16:19.28 | omeam | zoran: too easy ;) |
| 16:19.33 | omeam | b0unc3: scnr |
| 16:20.08 | b0unc3 | zoran: cause them are not listen in the installable application list... |
| 16:20.38 | zoran | ah, "not installable"? |
| 16:21.36 | b0unc3 | no... sorry for my english... I mean that these pkg are not showed in the app manager... but I can install them with apt |
| 16:22.14 | zoran | could you refresh the lists? |
| 16:22.18 | fysa | maybe version reqs don't match then. apt is very good at handling dependants |
| 16:22.53 | b0unc3 | zoran: one of the pkg is rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules... and it is not listed... |
| 16:23.34 | zoran | cool, get it on the device and install with apt-get install |
| 16:24.00 | fysa | oh yes nfs needs manual install |
| 16:24.15 | b0unc3 | yep... manual installation work fine... but I want to know if the app manager can do it automatically |
| 16:24.40 | fysa | no. don't worry. just use dpkg --install |
| 16:24.54 | fysa | get root with becomeroot packag |
| 16:25.09 | fysa | then sudo gainroot and you're good |
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| 16:26.10 | b0unc3 | fysa: I think that normal user don't want do it |
| 16:27.20 | zoran | b0unc3, normal user is win user |
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| 16:28.12 | fysa | agreed. |
| 16:28.27 | fysa | maybe os2008 fixes nfs |
| 16:28.36 | b0unc3 | zoran: I know... but I think I must consider them... |
| 16:28.42 | zoran | he-he |
| 16:29.00 | fysa | use cifs maybe. i think that is conpiled in |
| 16:29.14 | fysa | silly thumbboard |
| 16:29.28 | b0unc3 | fysa: cifs is for smb I think... and I'm using it... |
| 16:29.41 | fysa | we need a network fs gui.. |
| 16:29.56 | b0unc3 | fysa: it's what I'm working on |
| 16:30.05 | b0unc3 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wizard-mounter/ |
| 16:30.05 | zoran | some1 played with gammu app? |
| 16:30.27 | fysa | then i suggest you make your own repo |
| 16:30.54 | fysa | maybe we can use fuse-nfs |
| 16:31.04 | alterego | sshfs ftw! |
| 16:31.12 | b0unc3 | fysa: maybe it not fix my problem... I think the problem is the app manager |
| 16:31.53 | zoran | alterego, what is your exp with fuse? interested |
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| 16:32.06 | fysafysa | OK, a real keyboard is much nicer ;) |
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| 16:32.17 | alterego | I use fuse to mount my N800 whilst developing ruby apps. |
| 16:32.43 | fysafysa | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ |
| 16:32.48 | alterego | I use emacs on my laptop to edit the files mounted by fuse. Then use a separate ssh connection to run the apps whilst testing them. |
| 16:33.04 | zoran | ssh in base? |
| 16:33.15 | zoran | ah, see |
| 16:33.15 | b0unc3 | fysafysa: I read it... |
| 16:33.32 | fysafysa | so here is my thinking.. |
| 16:33.45 | fysafysa | you basically need to deconstruct those packages and make your own |
| 16:33.53 | fysafysa | then there will be no dependency issues |
| 16:34.44 | fysafysa | "However, nfs-common is currently broken and it needs to be installed by hand instead of apt-get or the application manager." |
| 16:35.10 | b0unc3 | fysafysa: yes... but I think it's the worst way... beacause if these pkg are updated I need to realease a new ver of my app... |
| 16:35.28 | b0unc3 | but maybe it's the only way... or the simplier way :-) |
| 16:35.36 | zoran | it should work as you want if files are in the same directory |
| 16:35.40 | fysafysa | I think you will be fine.. |
| 16:35.50 | fysafysa | there are no major architectural changes in updates usually |
| 16:35.58 | fysafysa | the same binaries will probably work, and you can install to /usr/local/ |
| 16:36.16 | fysafysa | the only way your packages would break is if Maemo fixed NFS.. |
| 16:36.22 | fysafysa | which solves the problem anyway :) |
| 16:36.46 | b0unc3 | fysafysa: exact... |
| 16:37.02 | fysafysa | or build .sh script |
| 16:37.12 | fysafysa | into your GUI.. |
| 16:37.17 | fysafysa | with "Install NFS" button.. |
| 16:37.21 | b0unc3 | uhm... |
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| 16:37.34 | fysafysa | you can script 'sudo gainroot' |
| 16:37.37 | fysafysa | there is no password prompt |
| 16:37.47 | fysafysa | so make your package depend on becomeroot |
| 16:38.00 | fysafysa | then automate wget/dpkg -x nfs-common/et al |
| 16:38.20 | b0unc3 | yeah... sounds good :-D |
| 16:38.26 | fysafysa | lsmod | grep nfs first to check for installation |
| 16:38.52 | fysafysa | probably the path of least resistance.. |
| 16:38.59 | fysafysa | win is os2008 released? |
| 16:39.00 | fysafysa | couple of weeks? |
| 16:39.02 | fysafysa | .. |
| 16:39.04 | fysafysa | when |
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| 16:39.47 | lardman | omeam: thanks, will take a look |
| 16:42.13 | omeam | cyaall |
| 16:42.15 | omeam | g2g |
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| 17:03.36 | zoran | hm, could 770 listen to nokia sdp service? something comparabile to l2cap shoud do the job. |
| 17:07.34 | timeless | http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-1-0&fp=4731db6d23f7ceaf&ei=xfAxR53FNIz2qgP0q4jMCg&url=http%3A//thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/%3Fhp&cid=1123272544&sig2=Uo9GbFqr2lymcljh0X42uQ |
| 17:07.39 | timeless | eep |
| 17:07.46 | timeless | http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/?hp |
| 17:09.07 | czr | yes. another 4.0beta tester gone crazy |
| 17:09.22 | alterego | Something is very broken in my task app :/ |
| 17:09.30 | alterego | It randomly segfaults. |
| 17:09.36 | czr | timeless :-). |
| 17:10.21 | timeless | ok, i'm sending a chinook xref to dh now |
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| 17:11.59 | L0cutus | alterego: oops:) |
| 17:12.21 | alterego | Yes .. Oops .. |
| 17:13.01 | Tak | alterego: does it have a treeview? ;-) |
| 17:13.03 | alterego | It segfaults even without the tree view. |
| 17:13.21 | alterego | The problem is either my model infrastructure. Or it's ruby REXML module :/ |
| 17:13.52 | alterego | I'm gonna make a few deep test suites to find out which. |
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| 17:27.15 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 17:27.54 | penguinbait | thats debatable? |
| 17:28.17 | alterego | You don't even know what I'm talking about :P |
| 17:28.54 | alterego | Whilst looking for whatever is causing my program to segfault. I think I've found out why my hildon windows don't group. |
| 17:30.26 | timeless | ok, so, operator error, i'll push chinook xref tomorrow i think |
| 17:31.04 | penguinbait | thats why its debatable? |
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| 17:38.19 | zoran | hm, in fact, on 770 I shluld use obex client to put/get files to/from card in the phone? |
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| 18:56.38 | kenny-la-teub | #Lelombrik |
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| 19:08.36 | timeless | ok, fwiw chinook xref is uploading now |
| 19:08.38 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/ |
| 19:09.06 | timeless | the index needs to be rebased, and i never remember the command to do that :) |
| 19:15.20 | timeless | sp3000, so, i finally figured out why i don' like this url |
| 19:15.22 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/find?string=glib |
| 19:15.38 | timeless | now i just need to figure out how to fix it |
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| 19:45.05 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! How do I take a screenshot on the 770? |
| 19:45.28 | _|Nix|_ | I tried installing load-applet but it didn't work. It installed fine, but it never showed up on the status bar. |
| 19:45.58 | red-zack | try reboot ur device |
| 19:46.09 | _|Nix|_ | OK ... |
| 19:46.31 | _|Nix|_ | .o0o.o0o.o0o. |
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| 19:48.12 | _|Nix|_ | Oooh! Worked! Sweet! Thanks! |
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| 19:49.58 | red-zack | _|Nix|_: your welcome! |
| 19:50.05 | red-zack | ;) |
| 19:50.45 | _|Nix|_ | Great ... now it refuses to connect to any kind of WLAN ... it just blinks and blinks and blinks and ... |
| 19:51.16 | p| | re |
| 19:52.48 | massoud | ehlo there /win 14 |
| 19:54.07 | _|Nix|_ | Yaaaay! Another reboot ... feels like Windoze ... |
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| 20:02.44 | KevinVerma | hey folks is there any eta for os2008 release ? |
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| 20:04.51 | alterego | ~1 week |
| 20:05.11 | alterego | Maybe closer to 2 weeks |
| 20:05.23 | KevinVerma | ok thats good to know, thanks |
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| 20:17.34 | timeless | sp3000: 50 lines to go! |
| 20:17.53 | sp3000 | heh |
| 20:18.31 | timeless | B. Click the bottom right button in the toolbar (it looks like a magnifying |
| 20:18.31 | timeless | glass, but it's really an overloaded kitchen sink button) > Components > |
| 20:18.31 | timeless | Default plug-in, RealPlayer, Windows Media. |
| 20:18.39 | timeless | * Plug-ins has been renamed to Components. |
| 20:18.39 | timeless | (Editor's note: the reason is that in theory you're supposed to be able to see |
| 20:18.39 | timeless | extensions in this list, in testing, this may not actually work...) |
| 20:18.39 | timeless | This affects both the application menu and the find button on the toolbar. |
| 20:18.39 | timeless | (Editor's note: you might be wondering what a Plug-ins or Components menu item |
| 20:18.40 | timeless | is doing in a toolbar, that's a good question, it's the closest thing we have |
| 20:18.42 | timeless | to a UI approved kitchen sink outside of the Settings dialog. Keep in mind that |
| 20:18.44 | timeless | the N810 has moved the application menu button to a very inconvenient location, |
| 20:18.46 | timeless | so if you use full screen mode and want to quickly stop Flash, all you have to |
| 20:18.48 | timeless | do is click the Find button on the toolbar, Components, and then uncheck Flash) |
| 20:19.03 | timeless | hrm, i guesss i already mentioned the kitchen sink once, oops |
| 20:19.49 | timeless | oh right, i should try that... |
| 20:20.33 | timeless | um, i can't load google.com |
| 20:20.47 | timeless | Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory |
| 20:20.59 | timeless | (microb was asked to load stress.html before lunch) |
| 20:23.53 | timeless | Unable to install grasemonkey-webaddon |
| 20:23.56 | timeless | [Close] |
| 20:23.57 | timeless | :(~ |
| 20:26.11 | p| | anyone know if there is a script that can 'disable/stop/kill' a service in maemo ? |
| 20:26.48 | timeless | services on the device are lifeguarded |
| 20:26.49 | p| | instead to modify all rc.X/ scripts |
| 20:27.01 | timeless | you need to disable the lifegaurd |
| 20:27.07 | p| | hu ? |
| 20:27.27 | timeless | well, most are |
| 20:27.33 | timeless | kinda depends what you'r thinking of |
| 20:27.36 | timeless | ssh wouldn't be |
| 20:27.40 | p| | i have installed a webserver |
| 20:27.43 | timeless | but media services iirc are |
| 20:27.44 | timeless | oh |
| 20:27.45 | p| | (nginx) |
| 20:27.53 | massoud | I am looking for the official sources.list for Nokia-770-36 2.6.16.27-omap1 |
| 20:27.55 | p| | and now it restart at every boot :) |
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| 20:28.05 | timeless | ah.... you want a gui xinetd configurator or something |
| 20:28.08 | massoud | as my GPG chek is giving me an error |
| 20:28.08 | p| | so i need to stop it |
| 20:28.24 | p| | timeless: not necessary a gui |
| 20:28.32 | p| | also command line is ok |
| 20:28.37 | massoud | and my apt-get update is then messed up |
| 20:28.43 | p| | i've see there is 'update-rc.d' |
| 20:28.59 | p| | but no help on how to use it |
| 20:29.15 | timeless | um |
| 20:29.25 | timeless | OS 2005 Edition version 3.2005.51-13 |
| 20:29.25 | timeless | OS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-7 |
| 20:29.25 | timeless | OS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-8 |
| 20:29.25 | timeless | OS 2006 Edition version 2.2006.39-14 |
| 20:29.25 | timeless | OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2 |
| 20:29.30 | timeless | which is 36? |
| 20:32.04 | timeless | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ |
| 20:32.09 | timeless | Maemo Source Code |
| 20:32.10 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.54 | p| | when OS2008 comes, will be possible to have OS2007 to boot from mmc and OS2008 to boot from internal flash ? |
| 20:35.30 | alterego | p|, should be possible yes. Though I don't know who'll make the initfs. |
| 20:37.37 | p| | ok |
| 20:37.42 | p| | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ |
| 20:38.10 | massoud | I have SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:38.15 | massoud | on my N770 |
| 20:38.41 | timeless | um |
| 20:38.55 | timeless | that's hacker edition |
| 20:40.19 | massoud | and I seem to have the wrong sources.list |
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| 20:42.15 | massoud | where can I a clean sources.list ? |
| 20:43.42 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.03 | massoud | get |
| 20:47.49 | timeless | apt-forget |
| 20:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | There aren't any sources.list files for maemo. |
| 20:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you find one floating around on an FTP somewhere. |
| 20:48.31 | timeless | have you? |
| 20:48.34 | keesj | apt-dislike |
| 20:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Just clear yours and use SSH to enter the repos on maemo.org again. |
| 20:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, well, yeah, on my FTP. ;) |
| 20:50.20 | timeless | strange |
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| 20:50.41 | timeless | compare: |
| 20:50.42 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list?raw=1 |
| 20:50.45 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list |
| 20:51.08 | timeless | when i tried the non raw version, i got connection refused |
| 20:51.21 | timeless | i guess that's a sources.list file :) |
| 20:51.34 | GeneralAntilles | Non-raw works fine for me. |
| 20:51.48 | timeless | yeah, i wonder if the server was rebooting? |
| 20:52.06 | timeless | well, you can read the sources :) |
| 20:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:52.30 | timeless | [sanjay]$ uptime |
| 20:52.31 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.33 | timeless | poor box |
| 20:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | Is Chinook MicroB totally gonna kick ass? |
| 20:52.41 | timeless | timeless@swift:/export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data% uptime |
| 20:52.42 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.15 | timeless | it's currently kciking my ass |
| 20:53.21 | timeless | i have 50 lines left to go |
| 20:56.23 | massoud | works better with the chinook list :) |
| 20:56.41 | massoud | timeless : thanks, gracias, merci |
| 20:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Also: you can ignore the GPG errors. |
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| 20:56.55 | massoud | ah yes ? |
| 20:58.07 | timeless | um, i wouldn't try mixing chinook w/ 2007he |
| 20:58.19 | timeless | unless i really wanted a brick |
| 20:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Then you could clobber somebody with it! |
| 20:58.53 | timeless | oh, actually, you're right, i do have people to clobber |
| 20:59.02 | timeless | please send me your brick when you're through with it |
| 20:59.05 | timeless | i'll put it to good use |
| 20:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | Just be sure to wipe it for fingerprints afterwards. |
| 21:00.02 | timeless | nah, i'll wear gloves and leave the original owner's prints :) |
| 21:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:00.32 | massoud | eheh |
| 21:01.13 | czr | people might.. |
| 21:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's IRC, how else could it be taken. |
| 21:03.06 | timeless | i hope never to find out |
| 21:03.14 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:03.30 | alterego | I don't think IRC should be taken that way timeless ;) |
| 21:03.44 | timeless | touche? |
| 21:04.03 | czr | gezundheit |
| 21:04.32 | massoud | how can I ignore the GPG errors BTW ? |
| 21:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Just ignore them. ;) |
| 21:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think you can suppress the warnings. |
| 21:05.05 | timeless | close your eyes |
| 21:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org needs to fix those at some point, though. |
| 21:05.52 | massoud | I close them now ? |
| 21:06.02 | massoud | can u read me ? |
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| 21:09.49 | alterego | Feed me seymour |
| 21:10.05 | timeless | doublec, fwiw, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/ |
| 21:11.03 | doublec | thanks timeless |
| 21:11.18 | timeless | it's a snapshot, i don't claim to understand if these things will even change |
| 21:13.27 | alterego | Is it preferable to use osso state saving over gconf for settings that aren't really that important? |
| 21:13.32 | alterego | Basically UI state .. |
| 21:14.16 | alterego | I'm just wondering if it's better to use osso's state saving over gconf for storing information on list ordering and which group is currently being viewed. |
| 21:16.16 | czr | alterego, if you need to save something between reboots -> gconf. otherwise state saving might be better. not sure though. |
| 21:16.37 | alterego | Hmm. |
| 21:17.18 | alterego | I have this feature. Where the app remembers the group your viewing (different groups of tasks/todo items) and also the order in which the group is being displayed (priority, date due ..) |
| 21:17.33 | czr | that sounds like user preference |
| 21:17.35 | alterego | I think maybe having this in gconf is a bit over kill .. |
| 21:17.36 | czr | -> gconf. |
| 21:17.56 | czr | unless you explicitly want the user to set the setting each time when they use the app. |
| 21:18.05 | czr | which sounds slightly silly to me :-) |
| 21:18.08 | alterego | No, not each time. |
| 21:18.16 | alterego | Maybe once after a reboot :P |
| 21:18.31 | alterego | Which wouldn't be that often on an always on device. |
| 21:18.44 | czr | why do you think it's always on? |
| 21:18.52 | alterego | Mine is. |
| 21:18.56 | czr | mine isn't :-) |
| 21:19.01 | alterego | Lots of other peoples are. |
| 21:19.06 | czr | really? |
| 21:19.10 | czr | hmm. maybe I'm weird. |
| 21:19.12 | alterego | Sure, why would you turn it off? |
| 21:19.19 | czr | to conserve battery-life |
| 21:19.31 | alterego | Mine lasts for days. |
| 21:19.46 | czr | hmm. interesting. maybe I should revise my usage patterns then |
| 21:20.14 | alterego | Sure, I turn on flight mode when I'm not using wireless/bluetooth |
| 21:21.05 | alterego | But unless you're actually doing something with the device it's likely to last for days idling. |
| 21:21.24 | czr | ah nice. my weird vmware setup will work for tomorrow |
| 21:21.27 | alterego | Maybe even a week or two if you're lucky ^_^ |
| 21:21.40 | czr | I have a vm in the laptop. but I don't want to expose the laptop to a potentially hostile network |
| 21:21.44 | czr | but exposing the vm is ok |
| 21:22.07 | czr | so, just tested whether running bridged network in vmware works even if the host doesn't have any IP on the real interface. it does. |
| 21:22.18 | alterego | Nice |
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| 21:23.13 | czr | now, I need to figure out what to do resolution wise. |
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| 21:26.00 | czr | widescreen laptop with 4:3 vm reso = not fun |
| 21:27.58 | czr | ah. very nice fullscreen mode now. |
| 21:28.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:28.26 | alterego | I'm having a problem. |
| 21:30.09 | czr | what's the problem? |
| 21:30.31 | alterego | gconf delay |
| 21:30.42 | alterego | I'm using gconf to store a list of groups. |
| 21:30.49 | alterego | When the user creates a new group I'd like to select that group. |
| 21:31.17 | alterego | Unfortunately it's not possible as there appears to be a slight delay which breaks concurrency in my program :/ |
| 21:31.39 | alterego | I have a solution though. |
| 21:32.02 | alterego | Instead of calling 'create_group' then 'select_group' |
| 21:32.29 | czr | well. gconf is client-server after all. |
| 21:32.32 | alterego | create_group will generate a signal notifying my app that a new group has been added to that variable. So I can then select the new item. |
| 21:32.54 | alterego | I just need to work out how to filter the event properly ;) |
| 21:33.18 | czr | strcmp ftw ;-) |
| 21:33.25 | czr | anyhow, need sleep. good luck with the release :-) |
| 21:33.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:33.34 | alterego | Yeah, have a good snooze :) |
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| 21:33.51 | czr | I will. |
| 21:33.57 | czr | I think I even have a can of beer somewhere. |
| 21:34.42 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just leave it plugged in when you're not using it? :\ |
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| 21:53.05 | alterego | Right, think I've done it .. |
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| 21:53.21 | alterego | Nice :) |
| 21:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | I disagree. |
| 21:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's mediocre at best. |
| 21:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, what? |
| 21:54.06 | _Monkey | Wait, is nflick an uploader? |
| 21:54.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | Why has _Monkey got to ruin everything? |
| 21:55.09 | alterego | It's not _Monkey's fault. He doesn't know what he's saying. |
| 21:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | The where's Dr. Frankenstein so I can throw some torches at him? :P |
| 21:57.13 | alterego | I've had every aspect of this application working fine. |
| 21:57.15 | p| | what about kerez ? |
| 21:57.18 | alterego | Just not at the same time. |
| 21:57.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously you should split the individual components into a hundred different little apps. |
| 21:58.07 | p| | this is not very secure i think: cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers~ && echo user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL >> /etc/sudoers |
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| 21:58.37 | alterego | That depends if you let other people use it and they can access the terminal. |
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| 21:58.57 | alterego | But no, it's not safe at all. |
| 21:59.05 | alterego | Best just add the programs you plan on using. |
| 21:59.12 | p| | yes |
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| 22:08.27 | p| | what is the correct way to start a webserver as a user via sudoers ? |
| 22:08.58 | p| | if i try to start it i receive an error due to log file permission |
| 22:11.17 | ||cw | chown the log file |
| 22:12.02 | p| | thanks, i'll try :) |
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| 22:12.27 | p| | bed time, cu2morrow |
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| 22:29.07 | keith___ | w00t |
| 22:29.49 | FMZ2 | Sorry, apparently all the FMZs are taken |
| 22:29.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:30.41 | FMZKJ | I saw on the application list for OS2007 that someone got PHP working... and to come here for more info |
| 22:33.07 | ||cw | some one's a little jumpy |
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| 22:37.39 | alterego | I doubt it'd take any effort at all to get PHP working on the device. |
| 22:37.47 | FMZKJ | Oops... if anyone answered my question when I accidentally left, could you re-paste. |
| 22:37.49 | alterego | But what would you do with it? Build websites? |
| 22:37.50 | FMZKJ | Thanks Alter :) |
| 22:38.19 | FMZKJ | alterego: No... I find PHP very handy for small utilities... so I don't have to learn C again. heh |
| 22:38.37 | FMZKJ | i.e. I have a PHP script that pulls down all of my podcasts. |
| 22:38.37 | alterego | Ah, yes. |
| 22:38.43 | alterego | I can see it's use there. |
| 22:38.56 | javamaniac | FMZKJ, use python instead |
| 22:39.03 | alterego | If you don't want to spend time learning Ruby or Python |
| 22:39.10 | FMZKJ | If I had the time to re-learn C, I'd love to. Or learn Python from scratch. |
| 22:39.17 | alterego | Python is so 2005 |
| 22:39.25 | alterego | It's all about Ruby-Maemo now. |
| 22:39.29 | FMZKJ | Ruby is so 2007 :P |
| 22:39.31 | FMZKJ | Oh? |
| 22:40.02 | alterego | Ruby is 20XX |
| 22:40.14 | FMZKJ | Is it really the Next Big Thing (tm)? |
| 22:40.39 | alterego | No, that'd be Rails. |
| 22:40.52 | FMZKJ | I thought Ruby = Rails. |
| 22:40.58 | alterego | Ruby is just a great programming language. Though it's shadowed by it's child Rails. |
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| 22:41.12 | alterego | No, Rails is just a web development framework. |
| 22:41.17 | alterego | Written in Ruby |
| 22:41.26 | FMZKJ | Hmmm.. |
| 22:42.58 | FMZKJ | I shall have to look into it |
| 22:43.27 | alterego | Good choice :) |
| 22:43.43 | alterego | But I'm not bias or anything .. |
| 22:43.54 | alterego | It's not like I'm the Ruby-Maemo dev or anything .. |
| 22:44.29 | FMZKJ | Oh... |
| 22:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 22:44.32 | FMZKJ | I see how you are |
| 22:45.38 | FMZKJ | But for now... the Tested App page says: php-5.2.0.tgz compiled in scratchbox with PCRE, sqlite support. XML gave problems with build. |
| 22:45.59 | FMZKJ | Does that mean I can just download the tarball and try to compile it on the device? |
| 22:46.10 | alterego | Well, compile it in the SDK. |
| 22:46.18 | alterego | Compiling it on the device would be touch. |
| 22:46.20 | alterego | ~tough .. |
| 22:46.29 | FMZKJ | Ahh, interesting. |
| 22:47.02 | FMZKJ | I'm just getting to the "experienced" stage in Linux... so, this should be fun. My n800 arrives on Friday. |
| 22:47.15 | alterego | Cool, |
| 22:47.22 | alterego | It's a real nice device. |
| 22:47.34 | alterego | You'll wonder how you ever lived without it. |
| 22:48.01 | FMZKJ | I'm already beginning to think so. |
| 22:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's bad. |
| 22:48.14 | alterego | Then you might try mating with it. |
| 22:48.18 | alterego | But I wouldn't recommend that .. |
| 22:48.24 | FMZKJ | I've refreshed the shipping page every 20 minutes since I ordered it. |
| 22:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | It sorta becomes your prosthetic computer. |
| 22:48.54 | FMZKJ | That's kinda what I want it for... an extention of myself :P |
| 22:48.57 | alterego | Yeah, it's taken the place of my laptop for a lot of things when I'm out and about. |
| 22:49.30 | FMZKJ | Almost went for the n810, but... I couldn't justify $250 more bucks just for GPS and a keyboard. |
| 22:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | So not worth it. |
| 22:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with the lack of real SD |
| 22:50.12 | alterego | Yeah, that is a bit of an annoyance. |
| 22:50.23 | alterego | Considering all the SD's I've got .. |
| 22:51.03 | FMZKJ | alterego: Wanna throw one my way? ;) |
| 22:51.03 | alterego | Hopefully the device program results will be out of the bag soon though. |
| 22:51.16 | FMZKJ | Device program results? |
| 22:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | alterego is whoring himself to Nokia to get a cheaper N810. |
| 22:51.45 | alterego | Nokia have been nice enough to give 500 N810's for 99 EUR |
| 22:52.16 | alterego | Well, one could say whoring. |
| 22:52.33 | alterego | Or you could say being indirectly paid for my work :) |
| 22:53.03 | FMZKJ | Oh, nice... so, they give you an n810 and ask you to make things work on it. |
| 22:53.11 | alterego | Though, the gratitude and apreciation people have been giving me makes it worth it. |
| 22:53.35 | FMZKJ | What is your biggest contrib to the project so far? |
| 22:53.47 | alterego | ruby-maemo |
| 22:53.48 | _Monkey | ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely. |
| 22:53.54 | alterego | That's pretty much my only contribution so far :D |
| 22:54.02 | FMZKJ | Ahh, nice. |
| 22:54.22 | alterego | I've only been developing maemo for ~3 months |
| 22:54.47 | alterego | Considering _real_ work I think I've made some pretty good progress. |
| 22:54.51 | alterego | I've been using a lot :D |
| 22:54.57 | FMZKJ | What kind of uses does Ruby have on Maemo? (Honest questions, hope I'm not asking too much... heh. Just want to know if it's something I should really get into) |
| 22:55.29 | alterego | Ruby like Python on maemo allows you to build full graphical apps which can intergrate with the operating system. |
| 22:55.39 | alterego | It's basically a nicer way of developing applications for Maemo. |
| 22:56.14 | alterego | Rather than programming in C. Python and Ruby are a lot like PHP. Though they're more flexible and are oriented at general purpose programming. |
| 22:56.22 | FMZKJ | Wow... On the Ruby page it says it's a scripting language... never seen a scripting language allow you to build GUIs (other than process HTML... heh)... but then I never got into Python either. |
| 22:56.44 | ||cw | FMZKJ: never seen php-gtk or perl-gtk? |
| 22:56.45 | FMZKJ | I'm beginning to like the idea of this |
| 22:56.51 | FMZKJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.55 | alterego | Well, I don't totally agree with Ruby being a "scripting language". I think that term is over used :) |
| 22:57.02 | FMZKJ | php-gtk? Are you kidding me? |
| 22:57.06 | alterego | Nope. |
| 22:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | Or, hell, Pashua for perl + OS X |
| 22:57.25 | FMZKJ | Wow... I do believe a whole new world was just opened up to me. |
| 22:57.26 | ||cw | you might be surprized how many gnome utilities are perl-gtk |
| 22:57.30 | FMZKJ | Doesn't Maemo use gtk? |
| 22:57.31 | alterego | Just don't mention it too much or people will start writing php-maemo .. |
| 22:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:57.54 | FMZKJ | lol |
| 22:57.55 | alterego | FMZKJ, indeed. but with a few tweaks and some extra widgets. |
| 22:58.04 | FMZKJ | I'm now intrigued. |
| 22:58.12 | alterego | So, out-of-the-box php-gtk wont really cut it. |
| 22:58.16 | ||cw | IMO php doens't do so well for long running apps, at least not the typical builds |
| 22:58.46 | FMZKJ | cw... I wrote an IRC bot in PHP once... it ran fine for months with no restart. But then, it's not exactly intensive. |
| 22:59.03 | FMZKJ | Any recommended "Learn Ruby in 24 hours" eBooks? |
| 22:59.06 | alterego | Though, the work to get it to intergrate with hildon in a very minimal way. would require only bindings to HildonProgram and HildonWindow. |
| 22:59.11 | ||cw | a lot of modules have memory leaks |
| 22:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ruby has some pretty good tutorials online. |
| 22:59.33 | alterego | Yeah, good tutorials and there's a really good book "Programming Ruby" |
| 22:59.41 | alterego | Which you can buy in PDF format .. |
| 22:59.50 | suihkulokki | someon is extending pgp-gtk to php-hildon ? :) |
| 22:59.58 | alterego | suihkulokki, NO NO NO! |
| 23:00.01 | alterego | damnit .. |
| 23:00.03 | ||cw | FMZKJ: I did the basic online thing from ruby's site and managed to write a command line dvd-ripper in ruby that uses mplayer/mencoder and lsdvd |
| 23:00.10 | alterego | I've opened pandora's box here. |
| 23:00.12 | FMZKJ | Holy crap |
| 23:00.23 | FMZKJ | alterego: I smell burning... |
| 23:00.30 | suihkulokki | haha |
| 23:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 23:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | 6 months and maemo will be dead. |
| 23:00.45 | FMZKJ | o_O |
| 23:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | A wasteland of broken PHP programs. |
| 23:00.52 | FMZKJ | lmao |
| 23:00.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:00.59 | FMZKJ | a la Matrix real world |
| 23:01.03 | ||cw | php-gtk isn't very complete anyway |
| 23:01.14 | FMZKJ | It just surprised me was all. |
| 23:01.20 | ||cw | and php-gtk2 feels ike abandonware |
| 23:01.32 | alterego | Yeah, I heard it wasn't really that maintained. |
| 23:01.39 | alterego | ruby-gnome2 is absolutely stunning. |
| 23:01.46 | FMZKJ | I think I'm going to seriously have to look into this. |
| 23:01.49 | alterego | It's one of the best ruby extensions I've ever used. |
| 23:02.08 | FMZKJ | Well, I hate to say it guys, but I gotta go. My girlfriend is waiting for me. |
| 23:02.18 | alterego | The Japanese folk that do that project really know what they're doing .. |
| 23:02.26 | ||cw | a girl-what? |
| 23:02.32 | alterego | Hah |
| 23:02.36 | FMZKJ | Can I just say, you are the nicest bunch on an IRC channel (to a chan-newb) I've ever met. Kudos. |
| 23:03.02 | alterego | Do kudos add to my karma? |
| 23:03.05 | alterego | :( |
| 23:03.17 | FMZ|away | alterego: Karma: positive |
| 23:03.19 | ||cw | we have karma here? |
| 23:03.21 | FMZ|away | Laters guys, I'll be back |
| 23:03.29 | alterego | ||cw, no. But it would be usefull. |
| 23:03.33 | Pio | anyone know any tricks to speed up gnugo in maemo? |
| 23:03.50 | alterego | Pio, use a lower level |
| 23:03.52 | alterego | :) |
| 23:03.59 | alterego | It's slow even on fast machines .. |
| 23:04.02 | Pio | its still a bit slow iirc |
| 23:04.19 | Pio | yeah i know.. a cpu vs cpu game on my amd64 3200 still takes several minutes heh |
| 23:04.24 | alterego | Your best bet is to use your tablet for what it's meant to do. //The Internet// |
| 23:04.25 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, alterego. |
| 23:04.35 | alterego | O_o |
| 23:04.35 | Pio | yep.. playing on IGS works nicely with cgoban |
| 23:04.44 | alterego | :) |
| 23:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft, it's a pocket-computer. |
| 23:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | You should use it for whatever regular computers do. :P |
| 23:05.00 | Pio | at least, what slow computers do heh |
| 23:05.09 | alterego | I was tempted to port my raytracer to it ;) |
| 23:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | . . . in 1998. ;) |
| 23:05.20 | Pio | hehe |
| 23:05.44 | derf | It's actually faster than the computer I had in 1998. |
| 23:06.04 | alterego | Yeah |
| 23:06.15 | alterego | It's faster than a lot of computers people had in 1998 |
| 23:06.31 | derf | And 1999. |
| 23:06.42 | alterego | Back when PowerVR was popular. |
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| 23:07.02 | r11t | hey everyone |
| 23:07.02 | _Monkey | i heard everyone was a critic :) |
| 23:07.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:07.26 | r11t | can anyone recommend the best deal for acquiring a n770? |
| 23:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | Why bother? |
| 23:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | The N800s are dirty cheap these days. |
| 23:07.44 | alterego | Yeah, N800's are pretty cheap now. |
| 23:07.47 | r11t | hmm |
| 23:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | *dirt |
| 23:07.55 | alterego | And they're a _lot_ better. |
| 23:07.59 | GeneralAntilles | N800s are NOT hookers. ;) |
| 23:08.03 | r11t | haha |
| 23:08.06 | Pio | and n770s are umm cheaper than dirt |
| 23:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | 770* |
| 23:08.21 | Pio | yeah |
| 23:08.30 | alterego | The 770 will be usefull for one thing. |
| 23:08.34 | r11t | forgive my ignorance but what is the lowest price for a n800? |
| 23:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | $218 |
| 23:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | on buy.com |
| 23:08.40 | alterego | And that's _if_ ubuntu mobile ever gets off the ground. |
| 23:08.42 | GeneralAntilles | or it was |
| 23:08.44 | r11t | hmm.... |
| 23:09.11 | alterego | I'm more into emdebian though ^_^ |
| 23:10.52 | alterego | I used to like Gtk. |
| 23:10.57 | alterego | I'm not so sure now. |
| 23:11.56 | alterego | Though, my code is starting to look very pretty now. |
| 23:12.06 | sp3000 | N800s? |
| 23:12.07 | _Monkey | N800s are dirty cheap these days. |
| 23:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:12.22 | sp3000 | aww, it doesn't store negatives |
| 23:12.40 | sp3000 | or, more likely, doesn't overwrite implicitly |
| 23:20.50 | alterego | I don't know what widget to use! ARGH! |
| 23:20.56 | alterego | This is infuriating. |
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| 23:29.14 | sp3000 | randomize it |
| 23:29.24 | sp3000 | then measure which one gets complained about more |
| 23:30.01 | alterego | Hah |
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| 23:32.33 | alterego | I have three options. Gtk::Table, Gtk::TreeView (List), Gtk::VBox of Gtk::HBox's |
| 23:33.00 | alterego | Using the MVC patter of the TreeView kind of breaks my own MVC like patter. |
| 23:33.03 | alterego | ~pattern |
| 23:33.19 | alterego | I'm gonna try the table. |
| 23:33.37 | alterego | But having to specify it's dimension on initialization is a pain. |
| 23:34.24 | alterego | VBox of HBox would be okay. If I can create size groups for each column. I could implement my own, grovy, custom widget. |
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| 23:38.51 | alterego | Yeah, I can diggit. |
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