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| 00:02.46 | hillct | Good evening all |
| 00:03.21 | hillct | at some point recently, the rss feed reader began segfalting upon startup |
| 00:03.32 | hillct | not sure when |
| 00:03.49 | hillct | not sure what I might have done to cause this |
| 00:04.19 | hillct | haven't installed anything recently |
| 00:05.16 | hillct | not many native debugging tools |
| 00:05.36 | hillct | any way to get a linked library list? |
| 00:08.09 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 00:08.22 | pupnik_ | ldd? |
| 00:08.23 | hillct | it appears segfailt in console is a red herring though |
| 00:08.27 | hillct | aparently not |
| 00:08.37 | pupnik_ | there's an equivalent |
| 00:08.49 | hillct | no ldd installed? Is it available package? |
| 00:09.06 | hillct | pupnik_: that was the essance of my wquestion. What equivelent is there? |
| 00:09.45 | pupnik_ | alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list |
| 00:09.48 | pupnik_ | " |
| 00:11.47 | hillct | what's the filename of thre default feed reader? |
| 00:11.48 | hillct | osso_rss_feed_reader: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/osso_rss_feed_reader: cannot read file data: Error 21 |
| 00:13.27 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 00:13.44 | pupnik | _Monkey: ldd shows shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent |
| 00:14.01 | pupnik | _Monkey: ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent |
| 00:14.17 | pupnik | phblbt |
| 00:14.33 | pupnik | _Monkey, ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent |
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| 00:34.24 | Jiten | flip^: maybe you should consider setting up mmc boot and do you clever stuff there first :P |
| 00:36.59 | flip^ | Jiten: I have a mmc boot.. technically reflash really means "roll back my mmc boot to what's on the internal flash"... but its still an inconvenience ;) |
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| 00:50.04 | pupnik | Tech Support: "I need you to boot the computer." |
| 00:50.09 | pupnik | Customer: (THUMP! Pause.) "No, that didn't help." |
| 00:51.42 | flip^ | I had someone phone me today that didn't know the word computer, they just kept referring to the black box with the mouse attached to it that wouldn't turn on |
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| 01:12.38 | rubiks | kismet working? |
| 01:12.54 | pupnik | on my 770 yes |
| 01:13.46 | pupnik | problem is too few generous people running open hotspots in my town |
| 01:13.56 | pupnik | but i can't blame nokia for that |
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| 01:18.25 | rubiks | will kismet work for n800? |
| 01:18.51 | pupnik | not sure |
| 01:19.07 | derf | I've been told it does. |
| 01:19.33 | rubiks | hum... |
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| 01:21.50 | rubiks | can't find it on the webpage |
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| 05:10.28 | rubiks | what is the root password? |
| 05:10.29 | _Monkey | the root password is rootme |
| 05:10.58 | rubiks | that was to fast |
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| 05:38.01 | zoran | I have a question regarding the battery |
| 05:39.07 | rubiks | do 770 apps work for n800? |
| 05:40.00 | zoran | hm, I tried to start up 770 and after 7-8 secs it went down; does it sound like battery problem? |
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| 06:40.15 | rubiks | why are some apps not downloadable on maemo.org? |
| 06:43.38 | rubiks | like midnight commander |
| 06:43.40 | rubiks | mc |
| 06:44.20 | zoran | what device? 770 or n800? |
| 07:06.43 | rubiks | n800 |
| 07:10.24 | lopz | bye |
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| 07:28.15 | sciboy | I miss UKTube. =( |
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| 09:09.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:21.34 | disq | morning |
| 09:21.34 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 09:51.23 | p| | yo |
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| 10:34.56 | chx | hi. is there any place where the n810 is already in stock? (for eg. the E51 phone is available from german ebay while in general it's not really out yet) |
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| 10:43.57 | _pcfe_ | if eBäh has anything on sale that the Nokia flagship store in Helsinki does not sell (as of last week both N810 and E51) I would be very weary of the seller. |
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| 11:33.42 | pupnik | For the emulators, i found a 200 game Amiga CDrom (horrible selection though) and a 500-game C64 CDrom in the supermarket for 5 euro each. |
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| 11:45.24 | chx | oh |
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| 11:46.53 | chx | pupnik: and how could someone else put his paws on those? :) |
| 11:48.10 | pupnik | searching online, or checking out the local software store/supermarket |
| 11:48.49 | pupnik | I just mentioned it in case people avoid the emulators because they think the only game collections are warez |
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| 11:55.49 | derf | pupnik: And how do you know all of the games on that CD are legitimately licensed? |
| 11:57.05 | pupnik | Because most of them suck? :) |
| 11:58.40 | derf | Well, I suppose that's fair. |
| 11:59.35 | pupnik | You're right, consumer doesn't know - but violations would be responsiblity of the publisher in this case. |
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| 12:17.47 | chx | so you are telling me that all http://tinyurl.com/2w2rqg these auctions are scams? would be hard to believe. |
| 12:17.52 | chx | many powersellers... |
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| 12:22.03 | derf | chx: For all those that believe in eBay ratings: http://xkcd.com/325/ |
| 12:23.02 | chx | derf: lol. |
| 12:23.32 | derf | (don't forget to read the image's tooltip) |
| 12:25.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:26.37 | alterego | eBay is a huge target for exploits. It's a shame because it's such a useful service. But's its success attracts b*stards |
| 12:26.56 | alterego | Which is why I wouldn't use it :) |
| 12:27.04 | alterego | Only _very_ rarely,. |
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| 12:40.32 | chx | dunno. ihad a lot of deals over ebay and never had any probs. |
| 12:43.45 | alterego | Well, I've used it a bit and not had problems. But don't tempt fate I say ;) |
| 12:44.14 | alterego | I'm not one of those people that uses eBay for _everything_, like a lot of people tend to do now-a-days. |
| 12:45.15 | Jiten | there is certain attraction to a "shop" that has everything :) |
| 12:46.33 | Jiten | my n800 + 6120 pair will have to serve me for the next couple of years. Unless one of them breaks, I'm not replacing them before that. |
| 12:50.10 | chx | yeah but i was only eyeing these tables before the N810 |
| 12:50.18 | chx | but the sldiing keyboard and the GPS won me over |
| 12:50.28 | chx | and the E51, it's like a phone built to my order:) |
| 12:50.41 | chx | much to my shock, they left nothing out |
| 12:50.43 | alterego | Yeah, the keyboard will make it a lot easier for instant messaging. |
| 12:51.03 | chx | what about SSH and occssionaly note taking :) ? |
| 12:51.10 | alterego | ;) |
| 12:51.19 | alterego | ruby hacking ;) |
| 12:51.25 | chx | For a very very long time I was looking at various devices to be able to SSH on the road |
| 12:51.47 | alterego | Yes, that was one of the reasons I got the tablet. |
| 12:51.52 | chx | TyTN -- almost. but the keyboard is small, the CPU is slow, and the OS makes me throw up. |
| 12:52.03 | alterego | I'm on call 24/7 so it's very handy when a server breaks ^_^ |
| 12:52.14 | chx | me too |
| 12:52.44 | chx | I am not the sysadmin... I am just the developer team lead but when the code breaks, well, it's showtime for me , regarldess of sday or night. |
| 12:55.36 | pupnik | http://zodttd.com/ for emus, check out the JXD 301 handheld emulator player - pretty sharp device |
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| 13:24.10 | zerojay | Hmm.. I thought that to run a Jabber server available publically, it had to have its own domain name. |
| 13:24.12 | zerojay | I was wrong. |
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| 15:51.16 | legind | hm it would be more accurate if the "memory" program just read memory info from the df command |
| 15:51.36 | legind | Storage memory in use: 23.34 GB |
| 15:51.49 | legind | Storage memory available: 1.19 GB |
| 15:51.51 | legind | hehe |
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| 15:56.08 | legind | can you have kagu search only certain directories? |
| 15:57.44 | zoran | Jiten, I got 6233 |
| 15:58.29 | rafl | what's the n800s display resolution? |
| 15:58.41 | zoran | 800x480 |
| 15:58.42 | _Monkey | 800x480 is probably plenty of room to strech out in, and matchbox makes me feel like penguinbait is in prison |
| 15:58.48 | rafl | thanks |
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| 15:59.57 | Jiten | zoran: happy with it? |
| 16:00.20 | zoran | few hours |
| 16:00.27 | zoran | not bad, but ugly screensaver |
| 16:00.41 | zoran | gonna make my own |
| 16:02.12 | zoran | this days I looked at people and their phones; human kind is obsessed with little gadget and does not pay attention to outside world |
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| 16:06.44 | legind | if you type passwords into the onscreen keyboard in a browser is the n800 going to remember those keystrokes? |
| 16:07.28 | zoran | legind, it should be rather app dependable |
| 16:07.33 | Robot101 | it knows when you're typing into a password field |
| 16:07.38 | Robot101 | it's broken in terminals though |
| 16:08.49 | legind | yeah ok |
| 16:08.57 | legind | thanks RobAtWork |
| 16:09.02 | legind | er Robot101 |
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| 16:18.07 | zpol | hola |
| 16:20.22 | alterego | aloh |
| 16:20.24 | alterego | a |
| 16:24.34 | zoran | how linux manages with usb card readers, apacer am300 in fact? |
| 16:25.16 | alterego | Works fine with my USB card readers. Better than Windows in fact. |
| 16:25.32 | zoran | I cannot make it be seen on freebsd |
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| 16:25.53 | alterego | Maybe you should seek help on a FreeBSD channel then. |
| 16:25.55 | zoran | linux usb driver is probably much better |
| 16:26.03 | zoran | ah, I did |
| 16:26.28 | alterego | Well, I find it hard to believe they got it that wrong. Card readers generally show them selves as generic mass storage devices. |
| 16:26.40 | zoran | hm, yes |
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| 16:27.04 | zoran | bsd folks just ignore some problems |
| 16:27.13 | timelyx | sp3000: i really really feel like kicking something |
| 16:27.24 | timelyx | i try using this program, and it fails because of a memory card write error |
| 16:27.33 | timelyx | but i didn't ask it to do a write, i asked it to find helcon for me |
| 16:27.47 | alterego | Oh, memory card woes :) |
| 16:28.02 | zoran | not bad topic |
| 16:28.11 | timelyx | you try using 2gb card and w/ a 4gb partition |
| 16:28.15 | timelyx | see how well that works... |
| 16:28.31 | alterego | I've got 2x 2G cards. |
| 16:28.39 | alterego | One partitioned up the middle. |
| 16:28.42 | timelyx | yeah, i have lots of cards |
| 16:28.52 | timelyx | but this is the only one so cleverly partitioned |
| 16:29.08 | alterego | Sounds like you should fix it :P |
| 16:29.11 | sp3000 | have you considered re-partitioning :) |
| 16:29.12 | zoran | 2 cards in one partition? |
| 16:29.27 | erstazi_ | that seems too complex to mess with |
| 16:29.48 | zoran | 2 gb is a lot of room |
| 16:29.57 | timelyx | sp3000: i considered asking windows to look at the card |
| 16:30.00 | timelyx | i never got around to doing it |
| 16:30.11 | timelyx | anyway, i'm off to helcon2007 @ vuorimiehenkatu 17 |
| 16:30.21 | erstazi_ | have fun timelyx |
| 16:30.37 | timelyx | zoran: i've filled a number of 2gb cards |
| 16:30.41 | timelyx | this one, i have no idea |
| 16:30.45 | timelyx | but i'm fairly certain it's mounted ro |
| 16:30.52 | timelyx | which causes all sorts of amusing errors |
| 16:31.01 | timelyx | sp3000: remind me to terrorize a few more people on monday |
| 16:31.07 | timelyx | *grr* |
| 16:31.16 | zoran | may I ask what is exact problem? |
| 16:31.23 | timelyx | the card came that way |
| 16:31.28 | timelyx | 4gb partition on a 2gb card |
| 16:31.37 | zoran | reading prob? |
| 16:31.37 | alterego | O_o |
| 16:31.48 | timelyx | eventually something didn't approve of it and it was mounted readonly |
| 16:31.54 | timelyx | now, there's this cute app that comes w/ n810s |
| 16:31.56 | zoran | does reparand reformat help? |
| 16:32.08 | timelyx | i haven't tried as sp3000 elicited |
| 16:32.22 | zoran | what is fs? |
| 16:32.28 | timelyx | ask sp3000? :) |
| 16:32.34 | timelyx | probably fat32, what else would it be |
| 16:32.49 | zoran | hey, it's not your card? |
| 16:32.55 | timelyx | it's not my device |
| 16:33.12 | timelyx | and calling it a card might be overstepping |
| 16:33.13 | zoran | has ip address? |
| 16:33.14 | timelyx | since you can't remove it |
| 16:33.28 | timelyx | no, among other amusing things, my wifi router refuses to speak wifi to me |
| 16:33.43 | zoran | buy it a flower |
| 16:33.51 | timelyx | i.e. the password is top secret from its dedicated user |
| 16:33.58 | erstazi_ | haha |
| 16:34.01 | erstazi_ | I been there |
| 16:34.08 | erstazi_ | forgot the passphrase I gave it |
| 16:34.09 | timelyx | i've been here for 2months now? |
| 16:34.10 | erstazi_ | didn't write it down |
| 16:34.24 | timelyx | it came preconfigured and they told me the password |
| 16:34.33 | timelyx | it worked for a while, at some point i think it got reset |
| 16:34.34 | erstazi_ | did you try admin? |
| 16:34.39 | erstazi_ | oh |
| 16:34.41 | timelyx | it's not, it's custom |
| 16:34.56 | timelyx | corporate magic at work |
| 16:35.09 | zoran | timelyx, I didn't follow the thread; what is the device? |
| 16:35.11 | timelyx | anyway, it's mostly amusing, i don't really care (clearly) |
| 16:35.13 | erstazi_ | yeap |
| 16:35.38 | timelyx | which. the router is an elisa dsl managed by nokia it |
| 16:35.49 | timelyx | the n810 is nokia's owned and operated by me |
| 16:35.55 | zoran | no, device with that strange partition |
| 16:36.00 | zoran | ah! |
| 16:36.02 | timelyx | it's a prototype |
| 16:36.10 | timelyx | the real ones aren't supposed to be like that :) |
| 16:36.21 | erstazi_ | haha |
| 16:36.24 | zoran | so, you have no root at this moment? |
| 16:36.34 | timelyx | i don't have time |
| 16:36.42 | erstazi_ | but, but, you are timelyx |
| 16:36.48 | timelyx | i have a map, a desitation, and a goal |
| 16:37.05 | timelyx | and i personally prefer broken devices |
| 16:37.06 | timelyx | they show bugs |
| 16:37.12 | timelyx | e.g. this one in the map application |
| 16:37.20 | zoran | I would like better inner card with map, not this one |
| 16:37.30 | timelyx | zoran: this is the inner card... |
| 16:37.38 | zoran | who wants map, puts it in |
| 16:37.38 | timelyx | but i can't easily get new maps (see lack of working wifi) |
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| 16:37.47 | timelyx | so i'm not in a hurry to destroy the card |
| 16:37.56 | zoran | it could be removed? |
| 16:38.00 | timelyx | no |
| 16:38.06 | zoran | ah, you see? |
| 16:38.10 | sp3000 | for some value of could I'm sure |
| 16:38.10 | zoran | if you could... |
| 16:38.28 | timelyx | zoran: i'd be stuck w/ no maps |
| 16:38.31 | timelyx | how does that help? |
| 16:38.39 | timelyx | i could reformat it too |
| 16:38.41 | zoran | you could put anything you like |
| 16:38.47 | timelyx | but not maps |
| 16:38.51 | zoran | music, films... |
| 16:38.51 | timelyx | because i have no wifi |
| 16:38.52 | timelyx | and no maps |
| 16:38.56 | timelyx | and no wifi |
| 16:39.03 | zoran | wifi is for pussies |
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| 16:39.10 | timelyx | how do you magically add films to a memory card w/o wifi? |
| 16:39.10 | zoran | no, joke |
| 16:39.23 | zoran | I liek wifi and use it |
| 16:39.37 | zoran | but have no _so_ broadband |
| 16:39.54 | sp3000 | so mirror to ext |
| 16:40.42 | zoran | are maps so important in life? |
| 16:42.03 | alterego | "File System" |
| 16:45.32 | alterego | I think he's trying to play more with the bug in the mapping software he ofund. |
| 16:46.41 | timelyx | yes |
| 16:47.14 | alterego | Send your prototype to me. I'll fix it. |
| 16:47.56 | alterego | I'm sure you'll be able to replace the card with a hammer. |
| 16:48.41 | alterego | Can you not setup USB net? |
| 16:48.49 | timelyx | to my mac? |
| 16:48.53 | alterego | Sure |
| 16:48.56 | timelyx | maybe |
| 16:49.03 | timelyx | but i don't have the proper usb cable |
| 16:49.12 | alterego | Oh |
| 16:49.12 | timelyx | so while i could try to figure out how in the world to setup the mac side |
| 16:49.13 | zoran | bt? |
| 16:49.17 | alterego | I forgot they changed it didn't they. |
| 16:49.18 | timelyx | it wouldn't go very far :) |
| 16:49.21 | timelyx | yep |
| 16:49.33 | timelyx | zoran: again, the question is: why bother? |
| 16:49.44 | zoran | for art sake |
| 16:49.49 | timelyx | sp3000's right, the fastest solution is an external mmc, a copy, and a reformat |
| 16:49.57 | timelyx | but my art is bug finding |
| 16:50.00 | timelyx | i'm very good |
| 16:50.17 | zoran | bug terminator? |
| 16:50.17 | timelyx | or maybe, software is just very buggy |
| 16:50.23 | timelyx | bug-reporter |
| 16:50.25 | alterego | I'm very good at ignoring bugs |
| 16:50.27 | zoran | :) |
| 16:50.33 | timelyx | fixing bugs is left as an exercise to the responsible party |
| 16:51.04 | zoran | \/c |
| 16:51.33 | alterego | I can't seem to get anything done today. |
| 16:51.59 | zoran | you successfuly type this |
| 16:52.37 | alterego | Hmm .. Maybe I'll do some more on ruby-maemo |
| 16:52.50 | alterego | If _real_ work isn't inspiring me. |
| 16:54.16 | zoran | hm, I hate when in the exactly the same situation, posters have correct output, but it fails on my box! |
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| 17:01.04 | L0cutus | wow what a crash :) |
| 17:01.18 | L0cutus | i'm trying to instal rails on my n800 |
| 17:01.42 | zoran | heh, whole train? |
| 17:02.00 | L0cutus | first the terminal |
| 17:02.13 | L0cutus | than the other parts :) |
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| 17:02.42 | zoran | seriously, a lot of stuff on 770/800 works just fine |
| 17:02.58 | zoran | have you ever tried to port something on vms? |
| 17:03.19 | wumpus | you can run openttd on it, that has trains too :p |
| 17:05.17 | ajturner | would be nice to have Rails views render Ruby-Maemo |
| 17:09.38 | alterego | rubygems on device isn't even worth trying L0cutus |
| 17:09.48 | alterego | If you want rails you'll have to package it on the SDK. |
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| 17:15.26 | jkyro | who needs rails when there is django >:) |
| 17:15.40 | jkyro | runs fine on the device too |
| 17:15.40 | alterego | I've looked at that. |
| 17:15.43 | alterego | Rails is nicer. |
| 17:15.46 | jkyro | nope |
| 17:16.00 | jkyro | it's easier to start with, yes |
| 17:16.12 | alterego | More flexible too. |
| 17:16.20 | alterego | Ruby is nicer than Python as a dynamic language. |
| 17:16.23 | zoran | shpan800? |
| 17:16.28 | jkyro | but if you'd like to change a little something there's an assload of stuff you need to write |
| 17:16.29 | zoran | *n800 |
| 17:16.41 | alterego | Like what? |
| 17:16.52 | jkyro | more flexible, I don't think so |
| 17:16.52 | alterego | What would you need to change in Rails? |
| 17:17.04 | alterego | I speak from a lot of experience jkyro |
| 17:17.11 | jkyro | I believ that |
| 17:17.43 | jkyro | well, maybe it's just me |
| 17:17.53 | alterego | I'd imagine taste has a lot to do with it. |
| 17:17.53 | jkyro | django was easier eince I knew python already |
| 17:18.02 | jkyro | e=s |
| 17:18.03 | alterego | Yes, that would certainly help. |
| 17:18.22 | alterego | I'd say the exact same thing about Rails. |
| 17:18.37 | alterego | Substituting Ruby for Python obviously ;) |
| 17:18.51 | alterego | I prefer Ruby's approach to OO |
| 17:19.12 | alterego | Blocks and iterators are also a very good thing that Python somewhat miss fires on. |
| 17:19.26 | alterego | lambda is a joke in Python ^_^ |
| 17:20.06 | alterego | Obviously Python does perform a lot better with it's bytecode interpreter. Though hopefully Ruby 2.0 will close that gap significantly. |
| 17:20.16 | jkyro | OK, i'm no t going into this argument :) |
| 17:20.20 | jkyro | deeper I mean |
| 17:20.52 | jkyro | I agree that lambda is a joke but then again it's not that crucial anyway |
| 17:21.17 | alterego | Have you used the Python Maemo bindings? |
| 17:21.22 | jkyro | yup |
| 17:21.26 | jkyro | not much tho |
| 17:21.26 | alterego | What are they like? |
| 17:21.48 | alterego | I was interested in how it handles callbacks in LibOSSO. |
| 17:21.49 | jkyro | well, what do you wont to know? |
| 17:22.03 | jkyro | ok, that I haven't tested |
| 17:22.27 | jkyro | mut I suspect thsy have ysed pyrex for the bindings as with a load of other stuff as well |
| 17:22.43 | jkyro | my god, what am I writing? |
| 17:22.53 | jkyro | I |
| 17:22.59 | alterego | pyrex? Is that like SWIG? |
| 17:23.10 | jkyro | something like that yes |
| 17:23.21 | jkyro | bindings generator |
| 17:23.42 | jkyro | (it seems the batteries of the wireless keyboard are running out, apologies) |
| 17:23.47 | alterego | I wasn't to impressed with the Python LibOSSO bindings. They're very odd. Maybe that's why. |
| 17:23.55 | ilrepo | my maemo 3.2 upgrade freezes at "Unpacking replacement rx-34-kernel-headers ...", anyone else had problems with that? |
| 17:24.17 | ilrepo | using ubuntu 7.10 |
| 17:24.19 | jkyro | the documentation isn't that good either |
| 17:24.28 | alterego | Hah, at least they've got documentation ;) |
| 17:25.32 | alterego | I think my main gripe with python maemo at the moment is they just seemed to mirror the C API. |
| 17:25.41 | alterego | You might as well just code in C :P |
| 17:26.43 | jkyro | I see what you mean |
| 17:26.56 | jkyro | the gobject is quite horrible also IMHO |
| 17:26.58 | L0cutus | alterego: i've made a simple loop-test with ruby and python |
| 17:27.01 | L0cutus | (on n800) |
| 17:27.04 | alterego | I spent a good couple of days creating a very friendly Ruby API for libosso. Which I'm quite proud of. |
| 17:27.11 | L0cutus | and ruby on n800 is faster than python :) |
| 17:27.34 | alterego | L0cutus, I find that hard to believe. Maybe it's just that particular loop :P |
| 17:27.43 | L0cutus | possible yes :) |
| 17:28.03 | L0cutus | for i in 1..1000000 |
| 17:28.04 | jkyro | I haven't done any benchmarking, python seems fast enough for most cases |
| 17:28.06 | L0cutus | a=i |
| 17:28.08 | L0cutus | end |
| 17:28.29 | alterego | jkyro, as does Ruby. Though start up times aren't great. Once the program is running it's fine. |
| 17:28.34 | jkyro | but importing stuff is really slow |
| 17:28.43 | alterego | Really? |
| 17:28.50 | alterego | Odd. |
| 17:29.03 | jkyro | yeah, it affects startup quite heavily |
| 17:29.20 | alterego | Possibly something to do with Gtk/Hildon. It can take a bit of time for those to get initialized. |
| 17:29.36 | alterego | I think that might be a similar issue with ruby |
| 17:29.56 | jkyro | as I said, havent done any real testing to find out if there's a particular culprit |
| 17:31.33 | jkyro | anyway, I gotta go. Happy hacking with ruby :) |
| 17:31.40 | alterego | When the maemo 4 tutorial is released I'll rewrite it for Ruby |
| 17:31.51 | alterego | Sure, have a nice evening jkyro |
| 17:34.24 | L0cutus | ciao jkyro |
| 17:34.55 | L0cutus | i've just reformat my mmc with ext3... |
| 17:35.14 | zoran | hm |
| 17:35.43 | zoran | it is said to check too often; cannot confirm if true |
| 17:36.00 | alterego | I wouldn't use ext3 on an MMC card. |
| 17:36.07 | zoran | I have ext2 |
| 17:36.12 | L0cutus | why ? |
| 17:36.14 | alterego | Well, I wouldn't use it on any kind of flash memory. |
| 17:36.20 | alterego | The journal L0cutus |
| 17:36.35 | L0cutus | isn't it more crash+proof ? |
| 17:36.39 | zoran | lasts not so long with ext3, probably |
| 17:37.04 | L0cutus | hum |
| 17:37.07 | alterego | Maybe, but it will shorten your memory cards lifetime. |
| 17:37.23 | alterego | With all those writes to the same area . |
| 17:37.29 | L0cutus | argh |
| 17:37.42 | L0cutus | ok, i'll go back to ext2... :) |
| 17:37.42 | alterego | I'd use ext2 ;) |
| 17:37.43 | zoran | no need for v3, indeed |
| 17:38.31 | derf | I thought the card did auto wear-leveling at the block level, so writes "to the same area" really aren't. |
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| 17:39.33 | zoran | little magician in mmc cannot do all the stuff |
| 17:39.56 | L0cutus | it is a 6Gb microsd sandisk class 4 |
| 17:40.10 | L0cutus | (internal) |
| 17:40.16 | zoran | why bother with ext2 at all? |
| 17:40.25 | zoran | *ext3 |
| 17:40.57 | L0cutus | mmm i thins it also eat more cpu and ram |
| 17:41.02 | L0cutus | think* |
| 17:41.24 | L0cutus | just a try after all ;-) |
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| 17:42.30 | L0cutus | this is my latest buy: http://tinyurl.com/3ygt4k |
| 17:42.46 | L0cutus | hope it is ok... |
| 17:42.55 | alterego | L0cutus, yeah. It'd take a little more resources. |
| 17:43.04 | alterego | Though, you can mount ext3 as ext2 |
| 17:43.26 | L0cutus | so i do not need to reformat it ? |
| 17:43.27 | amr | is there another way to make a theme for the 770 besides using thememaker |
| 17:44.54 | rubiks | red case? |
| 17:45.06 | L0cutus | yup :) |
| 17:45.27 | rubiks | nice |
| 17:46.21 | L0cutus | does exist some dictionary eng<>ita for n800 ? |
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| 17:46.34 | rubiks | can we asume that all people that buy a nokia internet tablet know a litttle about linux? |
| 17:47.04 | amr | i wouldn't |
| 17:47.19 | amr | is it actually marketed as a 'linux-powered' device? |
| 17:47.21 | derf | L0cutus: The Whitestork dictionary should be able to handle any general Western languages. |
| 17:47.40 | derf | Just download the relevant dictionary files. |
| 17:48.15 | derf | At least that's what I used for Dutch<->English when I was in the Netherlands recently. |
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| 17:48.27 | rubiks | i need some pda apps |
| 17:48.59 | L0cutus | tnks derf i'll try |
| 17:49.22 | amr | rubiks, gpe-pim? |
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| 17:51.27 | rubiks | hum... will check out |
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| 17:56.54 | lopz | re |
| 17:58.01 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/python_ruby_osso.txt |
| 17:58.07 | alterego | Just a small API comparison. |
| 17:58.48 | alterego | Probably look nicer with syntax highlighting ^_^ |
| 18:00.39 | alterego | Obviously the major differences here are Python needing an osso context object and then another context object for RPC or what other system is being used. |
| 18:01.42 | alterego | Ruby's use of Hashes for named arguments isn't exactly ideal in my opinion but it's still quite clear. |
| 18:05.02 | alterego | Maybe I could work a little more on the API. |
| 18:05.45 | rubiks | is the an antena just to enable fm radio? |
| 18:06.03 | rubiks | besides the head phones |
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| 18:06.12 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 18:06.12 | _Monkey | salut, b0unc3 |
| 18:08.00 | alterego | rubiks, no. The headphones are the antenna |
| 18:10.34 | rubiks | :s ok, was just looking for another way |
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| 18:14.07 | L0cutus | how to restart a daemon un n800 ? |
| 18:14.13 | L0cutus | un=on |
| 18:14.24 | L0cutus | (sshd) |
| 18:15.01 | alterego | /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? |
| 18:15.25 | sp3000 | same as anywhere I suppose, invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 18:16.19 | sp3000 | yeah, in bb /etc/init.d/... would give you completion which is helpful :) |
| 18:16.44 | L0cutus | tnks |
| 18:16.55 | rubiks | linux |
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| 18:18.00 | L0cutus | my distro have them into /etc/rc.d :) |
| 18:18.02 | alterego | Uh oh .. |
| 18:18.56 | rubiks | can maemo mapper work without gps? |
| 18:19.11 | Jiten | rubiks: yes |
| 18:19.26 | rubiks | nice downloading... |
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| 18:19.50 | Jiten | of course, it won't be able to tell you where you are without it though :) |
| 18:20.00 | Jiten | but you can look at maps, plan routes and such |
| 18:20.29 | rubiks | gotcha |
| 18:20.33 | sp3000 | yeah if it had an ambient light sensor it could at least tell you if you're in finland |
| 18:20.57 | rubiks | i hope nokia will drop the price on rhe gps kit |
| 18:22.24 | alterego | Why get the nokia kit? |
| 18:22.40 | alterego | You can pick up a BT GPS for ~70 USD |
| 18:23.27 | rubiks | o really? |
| 18:23.58 | alterego | Probably less if you look in the right place. |
| 18:24.23 | alterego | All you need is a BT GPS receiver and then you can use maemo mapper :) |
| 18:24.35 | rubiks | mapper needs two libs |
| 18:24.50 | alterego | ? |
| 18:25.34 | rubiks | maemo mapper |
| 18:25.35 | _Monkey | i heard maemo mapper was geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ |
| 18:26.50 | rubiks | version 1.4 |
| 18:26.53 | rubiks | ? |
| 18:29.26 | alterego | Oh, that's weird. |
| 18:29.34 | alterego | The segfault wasn't even in the SDK ^_^ |
| 18:29.48 | alterego | More of a relief actually. |
| 18:30.06 | rubiks | libxau0 libgdbm3 |
| 18:30.26 | rubiks | mapper needs those libs |
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| 18:38.13 | L0cutus | where is the right place to autostart a dyndns daemon on n800 ? |
| 18:38.36 | L0cutus | must i create an init.d script ? |
| 18:40.07 | alterego | L0cutus, I'd say so, unless you want to start it manually. |
| 18:41.06 | L0cutus | is possible to enable/disable autostart ? |
| 18:41.26 | L0cutus | mm i think i must 'study a bit ubuntu & debian startup scripts :) |
| 18:47.20 | rubiks | anybody got scratches on their screen protector? |
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| 18:50.03 | legind | L0cutus, create a script: /etc/init.d/somecommands |
| 18:50.32 | legind | L0cutus, then you have to determine at which stage or 'runlevel' you want the commands to be run |
| 18:51.20 | legind | L0cutus, http://www.help2go.com/Tutorials/Linux%10UNIX/Linux_Runlevels.html this URL explains what runlevels are |
| 18:53.04 | legind | L0cutus, when you determine that, you have to create a symbolic link: /etc/rc< run level>.d/S< some number between 10 and 99 >somecommand |
| 18:54.32 | legind | L0cutus, the command would be somethign like: ln -s /etc/init.d/somescript /etc/rc4.d/S44somescript |
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| 18:58.50 | L0cutus | thanks legind |
| 18:59.06 | legind | np |
| 18:59.19 | L0cutus | i have found also an howto that use 'update-rc.d ' |
| 18:59.43 | legind | is there any music player for the n800 that doesn't database the files, but just plays them, similar to xmms or beep-media-player or winamp |
| 19:00.11 | L0cutus | mplayer ? |
| 19:00.11 | _Monkey | mplayer is down, that's what's up |
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| 19:01.31 | legind | is that command line driven |
| 19:01.38 | legind | or does it have a nice gui |
| 19:02.25 | L0cutus | cmdline |
| 19:02.41 | L0cutus | but i've see there is also kmplayer |
| 19:02.49 | L0cutus | that have a little gui |
| 19:05.54 | legind | hm but it looks like I can't play more than one song at a time? |
| 19:06.31 | legind | play=add |
| 19:06.51 | L0cutus | yes... |
| 19:07.00 | L0cutus | no playlist |
| 19:08.07 | amr | with kagu can you actually just play 'all songs' |
| 19:08.12 | amr | instead of adding each one to a playlist |
| 19:08.15 | amr | its kind of annoying |
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| 19:11.10 | L0cutus | time to go home, cul8r |
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| 19:20.53 | Deformati | Are there any apps that provide something like palm's todo list? |
| 19:22.06 | kulve | I would hope google does todo-list and integrates it with the calendar :) |
| 19:23.22 | Deformati | Yeah, but for now, I am looking for an app for maemo. |
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| 19:26.12 | Deformati | Anyone? |
| 19:36.15 | Jaffa | Deformati: GPE Todo works well-enough |
| 19:36.25 | Deformati | GPE? |
| 19:36.26 | _Monkey | GPE is an environment kind of like Maemo |
| 19:37.29 | Jaffa | _Monkey: useless |
| 19:37.30 | _Monkey | Jaffa: sorry... |
| 19:37.46 | lopz | brb |
| 19:37.58 | Jaffa | Deformati: As well as being a full-blown palmtop environment, it's PIM suite has been ported to Maemo and features Contacts, Calendar and Todo |
| 19:38.45 | Deformati | Interesting. |
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| 19:53.38 | kpel | hi all |
| 19:55.43 | legind | is there any maemo media player anyone knows of that just gives you the option to "add folder" |
| 19:57.17 | Deformati | Hmm, I wonder why I cannot copy anything via usb to my 770. |
| 19:57.21 | Deformati | It never seems to work. |
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| 20:04.01 | hillct | legind: adding directories is of course a function of file mangement not a media player. GPE file manager does a nice job of offering display/manipulation of the full filesystem |
| 20:05.03 | hillct | that said, mPlayer seems to allow some basic directory management |
| 20:05.46 | alterego | He means add directory to playlist. |
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| 20:39.34 | alterego | @windows << @program.add_window(Hildon::Window.new) |
| 20:39.36 | alterego | That's neat. |
| 20:40.31 | Jaffa | Indeed. What's performance like compared with Python/C on an N800? |
| 20:41.10 | alterego | It's supposedly similar to Python. |
| 20:41.48 | alterego | Start up times aren't great. If you need to speed certain parts of your program up though it's easy to integrate with C code. |
| 20:42.18 | alterego | When I've finished "XML Editor" you can give it a whirl and see for yourself :) |
| 20:42.33 | Jaffa | Runtime performance doesn't bother me for too much stuff. Startup time being as quick as possible is important for user experience though. Already, too many C apps on Maemo are too slow to start :-( |
| 20:42.44 | alterego | Yeah |
| 20:42.49 | Jaffa | alterego: making sure your bindings don't have any busywait loops, I hope ;-) |
| 20:42.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:43.08 | alterego | My bindings are speedy. |
| 20:43.20 | alterego | I'm not sure what's causing slow start ups. |
| 20:43.34 | alterego | I'll do some experimentation some time in the week. |
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| 20:44.02 | alterego | Have you read the pickaxe book? |
| 20:44.27 | Jaffa | First few chapters. I need something practical to get my teeth into, though. |
| 20:44.32 | alterego | I might do a Rails package, but I don't know. |
| 20:45.06 | alterego | I don't really see the benifit. Sure, I do the occasional rails hacks on my tablet, but logged into a development server. |
| 20:45.14 | alterego | I don't see a need to have it actually installed on the device. |
| 20:45.25 | bedboi | so the developer program application is closed |
| 20:45.40 | alterego | Yup :) |
| 20:45.44 | Jaffa | bedboi: oh yeah |
| 20:46.00 | alterego | Surely not long now. |
| 20:46.22 | bedboi | Jaffa: me too. |
| 20:47.06 | bedboi | is there any information about the number of applicants? |
| 20:48.08 | Jaffa | Presumably, it's higher than the N800 programme's applicant count |
| 20:49.15 | alterego | Well, does it matter? |
| 20:49.32 | alterego | I guess a great deal of people applied. As it was open to people other than devs. |
| 20:50.19 | Jaffa | According to game theory, yes. Unless all the people who've applied are less "worthy" than you, the number of applicants is related to your chances of success (probably not directly proportional). |
| 20:51.01 | Jaffa | But you're right in that it's not possible to change the outcome by worrying about it (not that I am: I'm happy with my N800 enough - IT OS 2008 is the more exciting thing, I think). |
| 20:51.07 | alterego | Okay, assume that at least 350 devs applied ;) |
| 20:51.35 | alterego | Yeah, I can't wait for 2008 :) |
| 20:51.36 | Jaffa | And, having 60ukp spare means more likely to get an Eee (although as a toy, rather than as a luxury item like my N800) |
| 20:51.44 | Jaffa | TV time. |
| 20:51.54 | alterego | Eee? |
| 20:51.54 | _Monkey | Eee is, like, a freaking laptop |
| 20:52.04 | alterego | O_O |
| 20:56.05 | skibur | where can I buy an official screen protector screen for my nokia? |
| 20:56.20 | alterego | Official? |
| 20:56.33 | alterego | Well .. You can buy a new N800 |
| 20:56.40 | alterego | They come with official screen protectors. |
| 20:57.41 | skibur | ? |
| 20:57.57 | skibur | I have it on and it scratches pretty easy |
| 20:58.05 | alterego | Yeah, mines covered. |
| 20:58.13 | alterego | There are plenty of places to get replacements. |
| 20:58.25 | alterego | I don't see why "official" is important,. |
| 20:58.39 | skibur | agree |
| 20:58.46 | skibur | looking for something really good |
| 20:59.06 | alterego | Someone posted a link yesterday that looked impressive. |
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| 20:59.11 | alterego | Hang on I'll see if I can pull it up. |
| 21:00.27 | alterego | skibur, http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html |
| 21:00.44 | skibur | thanks |
| 21:02.24 | p| | re |
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| 21:31.37 | skibur | I can't access root? |
| 21:31.44 | skibur | xterm su applet? |
| 21:31.59 | alterego | The root password is by default 'rootme' |
| 21:32.03 | alterego | SSH in and change it. |
| 21:32.14 | alterego | root |
| 21:32.21 | alterego | gainroot |
| 21:32.21 | _Monkey | gainroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 21:32.25 | alterego | There's another way. |
| 21:37.01 | alterego | Heh, GtkTreeView is still pretty complicated in Ruby ^_^ |
| 21:39.08 | hillct | can someone explain to me the point of 'gainroot' over the simpler and far more standard method of editing /etc/sudoers ? |
| 21:39.42 | alterego | Not me :) |
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| 21:47.35 | timelyx | _Monkey forget eee |
| 21:47.36 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot eee |
| 21:47.39 | timelyx | _Monkey eee is <reply> |
| 21:47.40 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 21:47.43 | timelyx | _Monkey useless is <reply> |
| 21:47.44 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
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| 21:48.42 | alterego | I don't believe it. |
| 21:48.57 | alterego | You don't even get the arrows in OS2008?! |
| 21:49.10 | timelyx | alterego: eh? |
| 21:49.17 | alterego | GtkTreeView's .. |
| 21:49.31 | alterego | I'm going to have to resort to some kind of theme hack I guess. |
| 21:49.34 | timelyx | picture.draw_for(timeless) |
| 21:49.58 | alterego | Either that write some code to make pretty icons appear. |
| 21:50.05 | kpel | can someone ssh to the tablet as a user? |
| 21:50.06 | alterego | The later will be more effort though. |
| 21:50.12 | skibur | wow |
| 21:50.15 | skibur | mc |
| 21:50.16 | skibur | nice |
| 21:50.20 | timelyx | kpel: if you create a normal user and assign a password, sure |
| 21:50.32 | timelyx | otherwise, by default, "user" will reject ssh attempts (lacking a password?) |
| 21:50.52 | tigert | what arrows? |
| 21:50.57 | timelyx | by default if you install sshd, you can ssh as root to the device... |
| 21:51.13 | alterego | I just installed an ssh key into the 'user' account to allow logins from my laptop. |
| 21:51.18 | alterego | I also set the root password. |
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| 21:51.41 | kpel | can i assign a password to user using passwd? |
| 21:51.55 | timelyx | i don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 21:51.58 | timelyx | although i wouldn't recommend it |
| 21:51.59 | alterego | No, you can't assign a password to the 'user' account. |
| 21:52.03 | timelyx | an ssh key makes a lot more sense |
| 21:52.15 | tigert | its more or less regular linux under the hood anyway |
| 21:52.32 | alterego | Well .. You just try setting a password for 'user' and see what happens :P |
| 21:52.33 | kpel | ok thanks |
| 21:52.34 | tigert | most things you think of "do work" at least somewhat |
| 21:52.43 | timelyx | most things break somewhat :) |
| 21:52.44 | tigert | of course stuff can also break if you do silly things |
| 21:52.48 | tigert | exactly |
| 21:52.54 | tigert | but like, |
| 21:52.59 | timelyx | tigert: wanna try maps w/ a r/o mmc? |
| 21:53.07 | tigert | cd /home/user/; mkdir .fonts |
| 21:53.10 | timelyx | it's um... not a particularly pleasant experience |
| 21:53.14 | tigert | cp the MS web fonts there |
| 21:53.15 | tigert | etc |
| 21:53.16 | tigert | that works |
| 21:53.16 | p| | how can i share a package that i have recompiled for armel ? |
| 21:53.26 | alterego | Cool. |
| 21:53.27 | timelyx | "share"? |
| 21:53.43 | alterego | p|, make a garage project. Stick it in some private space. |
| 21:53.47 | alterego | How ever you like. |
| 21:54.19 | Jaffa | _Monkey: eee is the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ |
| 21:54.19 | _Monkey | ...but eee is <reply>... |
| 21:54.25 | Jaffa | _Monkey: forget eee |
| 21:54.26 | _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot eee |
| 21:54.27 | Jaffa | _Monkey: eee is the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ |
| 21:54.27 | _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. |
| 21:54.46 | timelyx | Jaffa: oh sure, fill _Monkey with useful data, why don't you... |
| 21:54.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:55.24 | Jaffa | timelyx: it won't happen again ;-) |
| 21:55.24 | Jaffa | _Monkey: foo is bar |
| 21:55.24 | _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. |
| 21:55.24 | tigert | eee? |
| 21:55.24 | _Monkey | eee is probably the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ |
| 21:55.25 | tigert | eeek |
| 21:55.41 | Jaffa | Not even _Monkey's *that* dumb ;-) |
| 21:55.58 | timelyx | just you wait enry iggins! |
| 21:56.46 | alterego | Neat. |
| 21:56.52 | alterego | How much are they going to cost? |
| 21:56.55 | timelyx | Jaffa / tigert: do you two get the reference? |
| 21:57.20 | Jaffa | alterego: On sale in the UK for Â230ukp incl. postage. i.e. about $400 and *cheaper* than an N810 |
| 21:57.27 | Jaffa | timelyx: rings a bell, but I can't place it. |
| 21:57.35 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 21:57.57 | alterego | Are they hackable? |
| 21:58.19 | Jaffa | alterego: indeed. Someone installed straight Ubuntu on one. You can even install XP if you like. |
| 21:58.29 | alterego | Can't find a spec :/ |
| 21:58.29 | Jaffa | Runs KDE by default off a Xandros-based distro. |
| 21:58.54 | Jaffa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC |
| 21:58.55 | alterego | Yuk |
| 21:59.14 | legind | is there any equivalent to cron that comes with maemo? |
| 21:59.21 | tigert | timelyx: had to resort to google :/ |
| 21:59.30 | Jaffa | legind: there's an alarm API, but no cron implementation which uses that API (yet) |
| 21:59.32 | Jaffa | AFAIK. |
| 21:59.36 | legind | i'm just wondering how /tmp gets dumped |
| 21:59.47 | legind | and how often |
| 21:59.50 | tigert | timelyx: but it reminded me of "pahk the cah on the havahd yahd" |
| 21:59.58 | timelyx | heh |
| 22:00.01 | Jaffa | timelyx: Ah, of course. My Fair Lady. |
| 22:00.24 | Jaffa | and/or Pygma(e?)lion |
| 22:00.37 | timelyx | Jaffa: for another one which some origins don't recognize, http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/138/ |
| 22:00.58 | timelyx | it's sad, i wrote that on friday, but when i showed it to a coworker, i realized that she wouldn't get it |
| 22:01.13 | alterego | Ugly XP theme. |
| 22:01.46 | Jaffa | alterego: meh, software's hackable. Hardware's cheap. Smaller than a Psion netBook. What's not to like? |
| 22:02.09 | tigert | timelyx: well, you pretty much could expect that |
| 22:02.16 | timelyx | tigert: yeah sure |
| 22:02.17 | tigert | timelyx: it was stretching waaaay too many cultural boundaries |
| 22:02.21 | suihkulokki | Jaffa: display resolution/dpi |
| 22:02.38 | Jaffa | suihkulokki: 800x480, 7" diagonal, IIRC. |
| 22:02.42 | suihkulokki | other than that, very attractive |
| 22:02.44 | timelyx | but it's easier for me to expect you not to recognize my fair lady |
| 22:02.46 | tigert | timelyx: it made me realize we assume things too easily |
| 22:02.55 | timelyx | than it is for me to realize that she wouldn't get it |
| 22:02.56 | tigert | timelyx: havent read it |
| 22:03.06 | alterego | Yeah |
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| 22:03.09 | timelyx | watch the movie |
| 22:03.12 | alterego | That resolution is a push. |
| 22:03.29 | alterego | If it was touch screen I'd stick maemo on it. |
| 22:03.43 | Jaffa | alterego: indeed. I believe you can get more usable info on a 7" 800x480 screen than you can on a 4" 800x480 screen, though. |
| 22:03.55 | Jaffa | alterego: I'd still be tempted to play with Hildon on it. |
| 22:03.56 | alterego | I don't see how. |
| 22:04.08 | alterego | Yeah, Hildon would suit it fine. |
| 22:04.16 | alterego | That's what it's designed for after all ;) |
| 22:04.26 | tigert | timelyx: I will watch that, if you watch this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048752/ |
| 22:04.27 | timelyx | tigert: it's sad though, you'd think by now, i'd know better |
| 22:04.34 | alterego | Would make a good device for those Ubuntu mobile kids. |
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| 22:04.59 | timelyx | i mean, i have learned that people don't know translations for animals/vegetables |
| 22:05.16 | tigert | timelyx: for some vegetables or animals |
| 22:05.17 | timelyx | well, i sort of know "don't bother asking a local: what's this fish?" |
| 22:05.22 | tigert | everyone knows what an apple or orange is |
| 22:05.27 | timelyx | i'm lucky if they'll say "it's white" |
| 22:05.27 | tigert | pomegranate or such is harder already :) |
| 22:05.34 | Jaffa | alterego: the pixels are bigger so you don't need as many to form a recognisable glyph. See, for example, how much more info you can see on a Psion netBook's ~7" 640x480 screen than you can on an N800's 800x480 screen (without straining your eyes). Obviously, some people's eyesight is better than others, but... |
| 22:05.59 | alterego | I think I'll wait to see what they do with it. |
| 22:06.11 | tigert | Jaffa: yeah, design for physical size is what we've been pondering a lot lately |
| 22:06.21 | alterego | Mainly the new devices they're saying wil be released in April next year |
| 22:06.29 | timelyx | tigert: |
| 22:06.31 | timelyx | Plot Synopsis: |
| 22:06.32 | timelyx | This plot synopsis is empty. Add a synopsis |
| 22:06.34 | alterego | With lower power CPU's which means they can remove the Fan. |
| 22:06.37 | tigert | timelyx: war story |
| 22:06.38 | alterego | Then I'd think about getting one. |
| 22:06.52 | Jaffa | tigert: oh? intriguing. |
| 22:06.56 | tigert | timelyx: its THE finnish WW II movie |
| 22:06.57 | timelyx | tigert: you have it? i'll watch, but if it isn't available in English, you get to translate :) |
| 22:07.05 | tigert | timelyx: I would guess it is subtitled |
| 22:07.13 | tigert | the dvd got to exist in somewhere |
| 22:07.15 | tigert | lets find one |
| 22:07.24 | lopz | re |
| 22:07.42 | tigert | Jaffa: thats what ubuntu mobile needs to do too, if they want to support different devices and different screens |
| 22:07.52 | tigert | Jaffa: and it is hard with pixmap theming :P |
| 22:08.17 | tigert | though I guess one could render the svg theme template to different size and transform the coordinates |
| 22:08.21 | timelyx | it's ok. you're so far down the line, i won't have ammo by the time i reach you :) |
| 22:08.23 | tigert | that would be pretty interesting thing to try btw |
| 22:08.30 | tigert | to scale the whole ui in build time |
| 22:08.46 | tigert | timelyx: hey, shoot Tommi :) |
| 22:08.58 | tigert | he created it |
| 22:09.02 | timelyx | tigert: i think i'd run out of bullets if i started with maps |
| 22:09.12 | tigert | or was part of it, I am just trying to keep it running with michael |
| 22:09.17 | tigert | anyway |
| 22:09.22 | tigert | back to weekend :D |
| 22:09.28 | alterego | Keep what running? |
| 22:09.32 | timelyx | theming |
| 22:09.43 | alterego | Eesh, maemo theming is a mess :P |
| 22:09.54 | timelyx | alterego: that's on a good day |
| 22:09.59 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:10.10 | tigert | timelyx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkctbhkGvE :) |
| 22:10.20 | tigert | timelyx: no subtitles though, so it'll be gibberish for you |
| 22:10.35 | timelyx | ok, you get to translate |
| 22:10.42 | timelyx | i'll buy the popcorn, dinner, drinks, whatever |
| 22:10.52 | tigert | hehe |
| 22:10.53 | zerojay | Sounds like fun. |
| 22:10.58 | tigert | I mean, this youtube link |
| 22:11.02 | tigert | I am pretty sure the dvd has |
| 22:11.03 | zerojay | Send me the plane tickets. :) |
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| 22:11.38 | timelyx | zerojay: i can offer a place to sleep, but tickets are moderately pricy |
| 22:12.00 | alterego | For instance, what on earth is with no expand/colapse indicators in the tree view? |
| 22:12.18 | timelyx | you mean things that'd typically be +/- on some platforms? |
| 22:12.21 | alterego | It's annoying me now >:( |
| 22:12.29 | alterego | What should be arrows in Gtk. |
| 22:12.37 | alterego | Well, triangles. |
| 22:12.44 | timelyx | we have them integrated into the icons |
| 22:12.46 | timelyx | it's a space thing |
| 22:12.54 | alterego | O_o |
| 22:13.05 | timelyx | look at the root device |
| 22:13.15 | tigert | alterego: forget trees anyway :P |
| 22:13.17 | alterego | Can't you leave that choice to the application developers? |
| 22:13.18 | timelyx | or the documents folder if you have a folder in it |
| 22:13.19 | tigert | too small on the screen :( |
| 22:13.32 | timelyx | alterego: they're trying to kill trees |
| 22:13.38 | timelyx | and given how horribly slow they are |
| 22:13.40 | alterego | Who're they? |
| 22:13.42 | timelyx | you shouldn't use them ;-) |
| 22:13.48 | tigert | well |
| 22:13.52 | timelyx | desktop/ui engs |
| 22:14.03 | timelyx | i can't give a list of names, that's probably a secret :) |
| 22:14.03 | alterego | Got a better idea for displaying a tree? |
| 22:14.06 | tigert | gtktreeview is one insane widget |
| 22:14.14 | tigert | alterego: what app is this? |
| 22:14.22 | timelyx | what are you trying to show? |
| 22:14.26 | alterego | I need something to display a DOM |
| 22:14.35 | timelyx | g-d |
| 22:14.37 | tigert | on the N800?? |
| 22:14.41 | alterego | Obviously. |
| 22:14.43 | tigert | wtf are you doing?= :) |
| 22:14.53 | timelyx | 1. install cairo |
| 22:14.55 | Stalwart | web development i guess |
| 22:14.55 | alterego | I'm writing an XML editor :P |
| 22:15.00 | timelyx | 2. rotate the screen 90 degrees |
| 22:15.08 | zerojay | in ruby? |
| 22:15.10 | tigert | alterego: why do you want to edit xml on a handheld? |
| 22:15.14 | alterego | zerojay, naturally. |
| 22:15.21 | alterego | tigert, why wouldn't I? |
| 22:15.39 | timelyx | alterego: no one in their right mind would want to edit xml anywhere |
| 22:15.45 | Stalwart | tigert, you want him to install eclipse on n800? :D |
| 22:15.50 | alterego | Well, that I can sympathise with ;) |
| 22:16.02 | timelyx | Stalwart: will he port java for us first? |
| 22:16.05 | timelyx | sounds good to me |
| 22:16.11 | Stalwart | timelyx, isn't it possible? |
| 22:16.11 | zerojay | No, please. |
| 22:16.12 | alterego | I'm developing in the maemo 4 SDK anyhow. So cairo is already here :P |
| 22:16.31 | zerojay | Eclipse 5 days a week is enough for me as is. |
| 22:16.32 | timelyx | alterego: seriously, you want to use the screen that way, not the default way |
| 22:16.34 | alterego | God, I'm the ruby-maemo guy. I'm not going to touch Java :P |
| 22:16.40 | alterego | Scheme is my next goal ^_^ |
| 22:17.01 | alterego | timelyx, is that even possible with maemo? |
| 22:17.10 | timelyx | anything's possible w/ cairo |
| 22:17.16 | timelyx | but you're basically drawing w/ cairo |
| 22:17.20 | alterego | Does maemo4 support it? |
| 22:17.21 | timelyx | full screen, manual drawing |
| 22:17.28 | alterego | :/ |
| 22:17.29 | Stalwart | anything is possible on zombo.com (c) #fedora |
| 22:17.30 | timelyx | maemo1 supports full screen apps |
| 22:17.31 | alterego | Screw that. |
| 22:17.51 | alterego | I meant screen rotation. Which isn't what you're talkinga bout at all :P |
| 22:17.56 | timelyx | maemo15 might support long displays |
| 22:18.08 | Stalwart | 15? o.O |
| 22:18.08 | timelyx | or rotated, however you want to think about it |
| 22:18.15 | timelyx | expect it to be ready by 2030 |
| 22:18.22 | Stalwart | i guess maemo15 will support neural connections :D |
| 22:18.31 | alterego | Heh. |
| 22:18.36 | alterego | Wouldn't take me that long .. |
| 22:18.38 | timelyx | Stalwart: frying them maybe |
| 22:18.51 | Stalwart | then you'll be able to get zombo.com right in YOUR BRAIN |
| 22:19.03 | Stalwart | a thing to dream of |
| 22:19.13 | timelyx | alterego: actually rotation is wishlisted |
| 22:19.26 | timelyx | with a lot of luck, prayers, and better hardware, it could be here in 10 years :) |
| 22:19.34 | alterego | Rubbish. |
| 22:19.44 | alterego | You could do it in a couple of months if you wanted to. |
| 22:19.54 | tigert | alterego: you could do a nice xml editor in the ipod ui way :) |
| 22:19.55 | timelyx | i'm a browser engineer, i couldn't :) |
| 22:20.01 | tigert | just browse through the tree :) |
| 22:20.03 | alterego | ipod UI? |
| 22:20.16 | alterego | I don't have an iPod. |
| 22:20.20 | tigert | ie, finger-pressable menu structure without a real tree, |
| 22:20.25 | timelyx | basically you only see one level at a time |
| 22:20.29 | timelyx | to go down, you go right |
| 22:20.32 | timelyx | to go up, you go left |
| 22:20.34 | alterego | Oh, a menu. |
| 22:20.34 | _Monkey | well, a menu is on the keyboard |
| 22:20.35 | tigert | but just press a node and it scrolls right to open the child :) |
| 22:20.35 | tigert | etc |
| 22:20.43 | timelyx | _Monkey forget menu |
| 22:20.44 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot menu |
| 22:20.44 | alterego | I think I'll do something similar to the media player in maemo. |
| 22:20.45 | zerojay | _Monkey: STFU |
| 22:20.46 | _Monkey | zerojay: huh? |
| 22:20.46 | Stalwart | not usable |
| 22:20.47 | timelyx | _Monkey menu is <reply> |
| 22:20.47 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 22:20.55 | alterego | A menu with a path area at the top. |
| 22:20.58 | timelyx | _Monkey stfu is <reply> yes sir |
| 22:20.59 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 22:20.59 | tigert | then on a leaf you could have "edit" etc :) |
| 22:21.03 | alterego | Kind of like: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk |
| 22:21.14 | zerojay | from now on, I'm just going to make Monkey forget everything when it speaks. |
| 22:21.17 | timelyx | tigert: too bad you need to be able to edit non leafs |
| 22:21.20 | alterego | I like that path bar .. |
| 22:21.29 | tigert | timelyx: perhaps it could have a small toolbar with few buttons |
| 22:21.41 | tigert | alterego: yeah, something like that site |
| 22:21.58 | timelyx | alterego: be warned |
| 22:22.04 | timelyx | xml node names can be fairly wide :) |
| 22:22.07 | suihkulokki | I love how neither ipod nor ipod touch ui have absolutely no popup/transistent windows |
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| 22:22.14 | tigert | you want to truncate with ellipsis ;D |
| 22:22.24 | timelyx | suihkulokki: designed by people with common sense |
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| 22:22.37 | timelyx | that's why we think different :) |
| 22:22.38 | tigert | alterego: the problem with most N800 apps is |
| 22:22.43 | tigert | they are trying to be like on the desktop |
| 22:22.49 | tigert | but the screen is way too small for that |
| 22:22.52 | timelyx | tigert: eh |
| 22:22.58 | tigert | and you get fooled by the resolution to think its bigger |
| 22:23.04 | timelyx | we have more dialogs/info things than any desktop i've ever met |
| 22:23.17 | tigert | timelyx: my point exactly :) |
| 22:23.30 | timelyx | it got worse w/ n810 |
| 22:23.31 | tigert | and hey |
| 22:23.34 | timelyx | namely map. |
| 22:23.35 | alterego | I'm aware of the constraints :P |
| 22:23.39 | tigert | its a *mobile* device |
| 22:23.45 | timelyx | alterego: clearly the ui people weren't |
| 22:23.47 | tigert | what freaks me out a bit very often |
| 22:23.48 | alterego | Maybe you're right. |
| 22:23.58 | tigert | is when people seem to just use it on their desk next to the laptop |
| 22:24.00 | alterego | I should just use a jazzy menu syste, |
| 22:24.04 | alterego | ~system. |
| 22:24.10 | tigert | and think its cool to make it work like their laptop |
| 22:24.16 | timelyx | tigert: we want to sell it as a replacement for laptops |
| 22:24.22 | tigert | but its a fscking MOBILE device |
| 22:24.25 | timelyx | somehow nokia managed to get a laptop award with it... |
| 22:24.28 | tigert | no we dont |
| 22:24.42 | alterego | I use it for internet. |
| 22:24.45 | timelyx | tigert: we = some manager above osso |
| 22:24.46 | alterego | d |
| 22:24.46 | timelyx | L( |
| 22:24.48 | tigert | the fact its listed on amazon as top selling laptop is not a reason to think of it as one :D |
| 22:24.49 | timelyx | :) |
| 22:25.04 | tigert | sure, its a *computer* and not a phone, yeah yeah |
| 22:25.08 | tigert | but it is a *mobile* thing |
| 22:25.17 | timelyx | tigert: people clearly didn't get that memo :( |
| 22:25.18 | tigert | you dont really do the same things on a mobile device |
| 22:25.30 | alterego | I use it for surfing, and IM |
| 22:25.32 | zerojay | It's cut the amount of time I spend on my PC by about 60%. It's getting lonely. |
| 22:25.33 | tigert | you go on the bus, you chat with a friend on IM |
| 22:25.38 | alterego | It's also my portable media player. |
| 22:25.40 | tigert | you check directions to his home |
| 22:25.42 | alterego | And email client. |
| 22:25.45 | tigert | to see him for dinner |
| 22:25.46 | tigert | etc |
| 22:25.46 | zerojay | same here. |
| 22:25.51 | tigert | you listen to music / webradio |
| 22:25.55 | tigert | on the starbucks |
| 22:25.58 | tigert | etc |
| 22:26.00 | alterego | I read PDF's on it and I use it to make notes. |
| 22:26.00 | tigert | or whatever |
| 22:26.00 | _Monkey | whatever is fun for you. More power to ya |
| 22:26.06 | tigert | but its not something you HACK on |
| 22:26.07 | tigert | :) |
| 22:26.07 | timelyx | _Monkey forget whatever |
| 22:26.08 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot whatever |
| 22:26.11 | timelyx | _Monkey whatever is <reply> |
| 22:26.12 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 22:26.26 | alterego | Sometimes I have to hack through it. |
| 22:26.31 | zerojay | Would "forget *" work? |
| 22:26.33 | tigert | its fun for us, the geeks, to do things like this |
| 22:26.35 | timelyx | no |
| 22:26.41 | zerojay | Damn. |
| 22:26.43 | tigert | but it really makes more sense to use it as a mobile communication tool |
| 22:26.47 | timelyx | zerojay: you can grep through logs |
| 22:26.53 | timelyx | it's easy to recognize when it learned something |
| 22:26.56 | tigert | I love the thing while I commute to work |
| 22:26.58 | timelyx | i've done that once or twice |
| 22:27.10 | tigert | same thing applies to bluetooth keyboards and such |
| 22:27.12 | timelyx | you can see me do it when all of a sudden i start telling it to forget things w/o context |
| 22:27.16 | tigert | try to use those while standing in a train |
| 22:27.47 | timelyx | tigert: you must be confused |
| 22:27.51 | timelyx | i always sit on trains :) |
| 22:27.58 | tigert | bluetooth keyboard is teh insanity and should be just destroyed from the face of earth :) |
| 22:28.04 | timelyx | of course, then i just use my laptop :) |
| 22:28.30 | tigert | timelyx: yeah but not on commuter trains I guess? |
| 22:28.44 | zerojay | The best thing about my N800 is how I sometimes get e-mail and messages without having a phone connection... just happens to connect randomly to some wifi router in the area. |
| 22:28.46 | timelyx | if you mean subway/metro, maybe |
| 22:28.54 | tigert | zerojay: yeah :) |
| 22:28.55 | timelyx | but if the commuter train takes longer than 20mins, i'm sitting |
| 22:29.03 | tigert | timelyx: sure I usually sit |
| 22:29.06 | tigert | if there is space |
| 22:29.20 | tigert | but I dont really use a laptop in the bus for example even when I sit |
| 22:29.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:29.43 | timelyx | bah |
| 22:29.54 | tigert | it's like sending / getting sms'es |
| 22:29.57 | timelyx | anyway, on regional trains, i used to use my laptops |
| 22:29.57 | tigert | but its jabber on the go |
| 22:29.59 | tigert | whcih is nice |
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| 22:30.12 | zerojay | I was about 10 minutes away from home after leaving work early.. I got an MSN message from a coworker asking me how to commit to SVN. I told him to come to my desk. Boy was she ever fucking confused when she got there to see me not at my desk. I was sitting in a park laughing my ass off. |
| 22:30.14 | tigert | timelyx: I rather not get those funny looks from people :) |
| 22:30.25 | timelyx | tigert: Amtrak from DC to NY |
| 22:30.27 | zerojay | told her to come to my desk.. blah. |
| 22:30.29 | timelyx | you don't get funny looks |
| 22:30.35 | tigert | zerojay: last week I was late from a meeting |
| 22:30.39 | timelyx | you're in a car w/ a dozen or more other people doing the same thing |
| 22:30.41 | tigert | a coworked msged me with the same problem |
| 22:30.44 | tigert | we were on our way to work |
| 22:30.51 | tigert | luckily he remembered the meeting room number |
| 22:30.56 | tigert | so I got it from him while on the go |
| 22:30.59 | tigert | and could go there directly |
| 22:31.07 | tigert | that is what I mean |
| 22:31.07 | timelyx | same along the SJ=>SF corridor |
| 22:31.30 | tigert | or seeing whats going on in IRC when going off work |
| 22:31.37 | tigert | to see if people are planning some beers etc |
| 22:31.44 | tigert | its all about communication for me |
| 22:31.47 | alterego | Or panning your demise :P |
| 22:31.47 | timelyx | irc on our devices doesn't really work |
| 22:31.57 | timelyx | you can't attach to a conversation already in progress w/o screen |
| 22:31.58 | alterego | No, I can't dig IRC on the tablets. |
| 22:32.00 | tigert | timelyx: it TOTALLY does work |
| 22:32.03 | timelyx | and our behavior w/ screen is such a disaster |
| 22:32.08 | tigert | you just want screen + irssi |
| 22:32.12 | tigert | and ssh |
| 22:32.14 | timelyx | i use that. |
| 22:32.14 | alterego | It's okay with pidgin .. |
| 22:32.17 | timelyx | it's a royal pain |
| 22:32.22 | timelyx | otoh, i use 770/n800 |
| 22:32.30 | timelyx | and the stupid VKB keeps forcing full updates |
| 22:32.30 | tigert | I used it on N800 a lot |
| 22:32.35 | timelyx | because it pops up and then hides |
| 22:32.37 | zerojay | I was sitting in a nice little park near work on a hot day... my feet in a shallow waterpool, closing bugs while bitching to coworkers about how bad some of our testers can be. |
| 22:32.39 | tigert | use thumb kbd |
| 22:32.40 | timelyx | and the screen constantly resizes |
| 22:32.40 | zerojay | What a great day. |
| 22:32.43 | zerojay | I love my N800. |
| 22:33.04 | tigert | zerojay: yeah :) |
| 22:33.20 | alterego | If I get another device I'll probably use it as a remote control for my N800 |
| 22:33.20 | timelyx | zerojay: w/ the n810 you can use it while not in the shade :) |
| 22:33.27 | timelyx | or so the rumor goes |
| 22:33.29 | tigert | it's this "be wherever you want, but you are around" without hauling the laptop along -thing that is nice |
| 22:33.30 | timelyx | it was snowing today |
| 22:33.35 | timelyx | we won't be able to test until may |
| 22:33.41 | tigert | timelyx: haha |
| 22:33.49 | alterego | N800 has oodles of storage capacity and makes a good media player. I'd use another tablet as a remote for it so it didn't have to come out of my trouser pocket. |
| 22:33.54 | timelyx | tigert: i keep saying it, but you know it's true |
| 22:34.10 | zerojay | timelyx: and without a virtual keyboard either. My N800's got light circular marks from me using the virtual keyboard so much. |
| 22:34.21 | tigert | zerojay: yeah |
| 22:34.24 | tigert | in a grid |
| 22:34.30 | timelyx | zerojay: my 't' key is busted on my laptop |
| 22:34.32 | zerojay | Staggered grid, yep. |
| 22:34.32 | alterego | My screen protector is scratched to death :) |
| 22:34.39 | zerojay | timelyx: Hehe. I remember. |
| 22:34.55 | timelyx | i was also among the first to really wear the n800 proto screens :) |
| 22:35.01 | timelyx | otoh, they claim that's "fixed" |
| 22:35.32 | Robot101 | timelyx: it's pretty impressive difference actually |
| 22:35.33 | timelyx | the fix supposedly makes web browsing (among other things) much more painful :) |
| 22:35.35 | alterego | I think the scroll area is the worst for wear on my protector. |
| 22:35.40 | zerojay | Every single scrach on my screen comes from the stylus. |
| 22:35.43 | alterego | It doesn't bother me enough to get a new one though. |
| 22:35.44 | zerojay | scratch |
| 22:35.59 | alterego | Yeah, those things are sharp .. :) |
| 22:36.11 | timelyx | Robot101: it wouldn't have to be a big change to be impressive |
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| 22:36.53 | timelyx | Robot101: but it really does cause big problems for the web browser |
| 22:37.06 | tigert | I am loving the N810 keyboard though, no more resizing of THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD |
| 22:37.10 | tigert | :) |
| 22:37.13 | timelyx | all of a sudden, simple things like "click and hold" ... |
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| 22:37.20 | zerojay | I'm hoping I'll be able to get one of the discounts... even though I just found an 8GB SD card relatively cheap today. :/ |
| 22:37.25 | timelyx | tigert: you clearly haven't used the web browser enough |
| 22:37.30 | timelyx | try loading reader.google.com |
| 22:37.35 | timelyx | open the keyboard |
| 22:37.37 | timelyx | type 'gu' |
| 22:37.41 | timelyx | type n |
| 22:37.51 | timelyx | (test on desktop first) |
| 22:37.55 | tigert | timelyx: nah, the device is downstairs now :) |
| 22:38.06 | timelyx | it's not in your pocket!? |
| 22:38.26 | tigert | hey, I just came from sauna, and I am wearing just this nice big towel |
| 22:38.27 | tigert | :))) |
| 22:38.31 | zerojay | lol |
| 22:38.33 | tigert | I aint got no pockets dude |
| 22:38.43 | zerojay | That's what your third leg is for. |
| 22:38.47 | zerojay | Hanging shit you need off of. |
| 22:38.48 | tigert | and I lost a lot of weight so I couldnt keep it under "the flaps" either |
| 22:38.54 | zerojay | Hahahaha |
| 22:38.56 | zerojay | The flaps. |
| 22:38.59 | tigert | :) |
| 22:39.28 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:39.44 | alterego | That's disturbing |
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| 22:40.40 | timelyx | so, i still need a link for "In the beginning" |
| 22:40.46 | timelyx | i'm trying to decide if http://www.inthebeginning.org/about.html would work |
| 22:40.50 | timelyx | anyone have a better suggestion? |
| 22:41.07 | timelyx | s/io/oi/ |
| 22:41.14 | timelyx | did not! |
| 22:41.51 | tigert | oh my g-d |
| 22:41.51 | tigert | http://blogoscoped.com/bible/ |
| 22:41.55 | tigert | not this one |
| 22:42.33 | timelyx | heh |
| 22:43.10 | tigert | timelyx: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%201&version=31 ? |
| 22:44.06 | tigert | king james might be better for the style though |
| 22:44.12 | tigert | but it's all there |
| 22:45.42 | timelyx | tigert: in the dropdown, what do you see above "The westminster leningrad codex"? |
| 22:45.55 | timelyx | i see: |
| 22:46.29 | timelyx | (he) [eyin][yud][vet][resh][yud][taf] |
| 22:47.16 | timelyx | (that's of course unhelpful given that the yud's are symmetric...) |
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| 22:56.14 | tigert | timelyx: hebrew characters |
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| 22:56.19 | tigert | that I cannot read |
| 22:56.28 | timelyx | http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/hebrew.png |
| 22:56.36 | timelyx | something like that, or in the reverse order? |
| 22:57.31 | tigert | like on your screenshot |
| 22:57.32 | tigert | why? |
| 22:57.37 | timelyx | because the order's wrong |
| 22:57.45 | timelyx | (it's backwards) |
| 22:57.53 | timelyx | which is odd, because the text is correct |
| 22:57.55 | tigert | ltr instead of rtl? |
| 22:57.58 | timelyx | yeah |
| 22:58.01 | timelyx | it's just the menu item that's bad |
| 22:58.20 | tigert | maybe because the rest of the meny is mostly western chars? |
| 22:59.38 | timelyx | even the mouseovers are correct |
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| 23:01.02 | timelyx | is contributing to a christian site something i shouldn't do? |
| 23:01.59 | alterego | Anyone got any requests/ideas? |
| 23:02.24 | zerojay | alterego: Actually, now that you mention it... |
| 23:02.37 | alterego | Well, spit it out. |
| 23:04.22 | skibur | ideas for what? |
| 23:04.36 | zerojay | I invited you to a channel because I can't just send msgs yet.. been too lazy to register. |
| 23:04.53 | alterego | An application for me to write. |
| 23:05.31 | tigert | timelyx: I guess it's totally up to you |
| 23:05.39 | tigert | :) |
| 23:07.47 | skibur | I don't get it |
| 23:08.12 | tigert | alterego: you are looking for ideas for a cool app? |
| 23:08.13 | timelyx | ? |
| 23:08.14 | skibur | I'm looking for MC on Maemo.org and I find it, but I can't download it |
| 23:08.24 | timelyx | welcome to maemo.org :) |
| 23:08.42 | skibur | BUT, I can find it on my Nokia N800 Application manager. |
| 23:08.44 | alterego | tigert, yeah. Pretty much. |
| 23:09.05 | skibur | Where is the Manager pulling the application download from? |
| 23:10.20 | timelyx | skibur: you can view the catalog list in the tools menu or something |
| 23:11.47 | legind | when trying to install kagu, I get this: File "/usr/lib/kagu/remote.py", line 15, in remote / os.mkfifo(FIFO) #create fifo / OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 23:11.48 | skibur | yeah I know, but where are the updates coming from? |
| 23:11.52 | legind | any ideas? |
| 23:12.07 | legind | or, that's trying to *run* kagu. |
| 23:14.58 | alterego | It's typical really. I work really hard on getting ruby-maemo up and running so I can build cool apps for maemo in Ruby. And now it's at the stage where it's very usable I can't think of anything to create :/ |
| 23:17.04 | timelyx | see, you should have thought of that before you spent time porting/packaging something no one actually uses =b |
| 23:18.30 | alterego | :( |
| 23:18.38 | alterego | The porting took no time. |
| 23:18.57 | alterego | It was binding it to the various libraries that make Maemo that took the time :P |
| 23:27.06 | p| | if someone need it: http://www.zamprogno.it/files/inadyn-1.96.2.tar.bz2 |
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| 23:51.47 | legind | how do I get modules to load at bootup without /etc/modules? do I have to make a /etc/init.d script? |
| 23:52.29 | skibur | GPE download? Where can I get it? |
| 23:52.43 | skibur | http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/ ? |
| 23:54.34 | skibur | hello? |
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| 23:58.33 | astro76 | skibur, add the Kernel Concepts repo listed here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories |
| 23:59.58 | p| | legind: i think it is the best thing |
