| 00:00.09 | db48x | you can test with data:text/html,<script>dump('hi')</script> |
| 00:00.36 | db48x | also, by default in an opt build of gecko, dump is a noop |
| 00:00.47 | db48x | you'll have to go to about:config and turn on a pref |
| 00:01.19 | sp3000 | I think this old build has a broken about:config so I vi'd |
| 00:01.22 | db48x | browser.dom.window.dump.enabled should be true |
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| 00:08.12 | sp3000 | dunno why that wouldn't |
| 00:13.28 | sp3000 | oh, well, this was convenient, I would probably have been confused about that tomorrow as it happens ;) |
| 00:15.44 | sp3000 | let me know if you find out why it doesn't work |
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| 01:00.30 | szucsati | mv szucsati /dev/bed |
| 01:00.59 | szucsati | cat goodnight |
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| 01:01.59 | jjesse | sorry off topic, but can the n770 and the n800 use the same charger? left mine at home |
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| 01:54.48 | zerojay | Anyone here got hosting through Dreamhost or can suggest a hosting company that does Jabber? |
| 01:55.25 | doublec | something like linode would let you run whatever you wanted |
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| 01:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | maybe slicehost, too? |
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| 01:58.26 | zerojay | Slice is backed up for a while. |
| 01:58.32 | zerojay | 3month plan, 11 week wait. |
| 02:00.23 | zerojay | linode looks good. |
| 02:01.55 | doublec | i use linode, their service is great |
| 02:03.06 | doublec | i also use a dedicated hosting box and run vmware server on it for other things. More expensive but useful for running different OS's etc. |
| 02:04.17 | c0mpact | i'm having a bit of a problem with the certificate manager on the n800, dont know if anyone could help me. Whenever I try to import a user certificate, even though it knows that I have to enter a password for it, it shows up in the authority section.. causing me to not be able to choose it when setting up a EAP network. |
| 02:04.23 | c0mpact | anyone have any thoughts? |
| 02:04.41 | zerojay | Is EAP even supported on the tablets? |
| 02:05.02 | c0mpact | yup, the support seems to be there |
| 02:05.04 | c0mpact | TLS, TTLS |
| 02:05.30 | zerojay | doublec: I'm looking into running a tablet focused site offering services for tablet owners. |
| 02:05.40 | doublec | nice! |
| 02:05.45 | zerojay | doublec: Jabber, e-mail, maybe some other stuff. |
| 02:05.51 | doublec | good idea |
| 02:06.06 | zerojay | Texrat has offered to help as well. |
| 02:06.43 | zerojay | I know a lot of people don't know crap about Jabber and how to use multiple gateways and stuff. I want to set it up so they don't have to hunt for external jabber servers with the right gateways. I'll have it. |
| 02:06.47 | zerojay | With tutorials and shit. |
| 02:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | wiki tutorials, hopefully. :) |
| 02:07.16 | zerojay | I think I'll make my site's motto "killing Pidgin installs, one tablet at a time". |
| 02:07.22 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:07.46 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, wiki's a good idea. |
| 02:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | We've already got the tablet school. |
| 02:08.09 | GeneralAntilles | Which is great, but only one author. |
| 02:08.32 | db48x | I use dreamhost |
| 02:08.53 | zerojay | db48x: Any idea how many Jabber users you can create? |
| 02:09.04 | db48x | I think I've created about a dozen |
| 02:09.14 | zerojay | Any set limit? |
| 02:09.15 | db48x | I don't recall there being a limit, actually |
| 02:09.29 | db48x | lemme check |
| 02:09.59 | db48x | no, it doesn't appear that there is a limit |
| 02:11.27 | zerojay | db48x: What gateways are available? |
| 02:11.32 | zerojay | db48x: And is Jabber stable? |
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| 02:12.15 | db48x | hmm, the jabber server went down for an hour or two at one point |
| 02:12.18 | db48x | some months ago |
| 02:12.55 | zerojay | db48x: AIM, MSN, Yahoo, any others? |
| 02:13.13 | db48x | let me check their wiki |
| 02:13.27 | zerojay | I did, but didn't get any solid answers. |
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| 02:13.53 | zerojay | Actually, if you have a Jabber client open, you can use discovery.. or just give me a temp account you can delete right after. |
| 02:15.40 | db48x | the wiki says that they provide gateways for AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo! |
| 02:15.53 | zerojay | Link me? |
| 02:16.04 | db48x | I don't think this client bothers with discovery, since it talks to all of those natively |
| 02:16.11 | db48x | http://wiki.dreamhost.com/KB_/_Account_Control_Panel_/_Goodies_::_Jabber_IM#How_do_I_talk_to_AIM.2FICQ.2FMSN.2FYahoo.21_IM_users_with_Jabber.3F |
| 02:17.33 | zerojay | Thanks. |
| 02:18.49 | db48x | np |
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| 02:42.34 | |R | anybody knows why flasher-* is proprietary? |
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| 02:47.28 | NeoStrider | maybe 'cos the hardware design is somewhat closed? |
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| 02:56.35 | c0mpact | how would os 2006 programs run on os 2007? |
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| 03:06.25 | ||cw2 | c0mpact: from what I understand, unless they are python or some scripts they won't. different arch |
| 03:06.45 | ||cw2 | arm vs armel targets or something |
| 03:11.08 | unique311 | check out my self portrait..... http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228952&stc=1&d=1193798220 |
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| 03:25.12 | db48x | does anyone here know the status of scratchbox2? |
| 03:25.24 | db48x | I tried it once, but it clearly wasn't ready for real use |
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| 03:42.56 | c0mpact | ||cw2: Is OS2006 armel? |
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| 04:06.49 | c0mpact | i hope os2008 fixes all these wireless problems |
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| 04:21.26 | Vanya | Hi people! |
| 04:22.16 | Vanya | D'you know anything about maemo dc++ clients, are there any? |
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| 05:48.57 | ClarusWorks | hello |
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| 05:49.37 | ClarusWorks | I'm trying to install the November 2006 OS update on my Nokia 770 and am having a bit of trouble. |
| 05:50.14 | ClarusWorks | I hold down the home key, hold down power, let go of power as soon as the screen with the Nokia logo comes up, let go of home as soon as a USB icon comes up, but the USB icon then goes away and the tablet just boots normally |
| 05:51.08 | lopz | bye |
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| 05:57.43 | |R | are there really a comunity of 500 developers for the n810 reward program? |
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| 06:00.04 | fysakk | has anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger? |
| 06:00.43 | disq | the device program is not a "reward" program, also it's not only for developers |
| 06:01.20 | fysakk | i'd like to enlarge and use more like a thumb keyboard--but able to see the app. |
| 06:02.34 | fysakk | found tools to convert to xml, just curious if i'm wasting time |
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| 06:11.06 | Rask330 | ooh? I'd better check.. |
| 06:11.31 | |R | or maybe i'm crazy but it says i'm one hour earlier than it should |
| 06:11.43 | |R | since it should have been last sunday... and now it's the next |
| 06:11.44 | Rask330 | It's correct on mine. |
| 06:11.47 | |R | urhm |
| 06:12.30 | |R | if i run rdate it goes back 1 hour in the past... |
| 06:12.38 | |R | on my gateway it doesn't do that, it's correct |
| 06:12.45 | Rask330 | rdate? |
| 06:12.46 | |R | so i don't think i can blame the ntp |
| 06:13.09 | |R | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11158 |
| 06:15.19 | Rask330 | Oh. |
| 06:15.31 | Rask330 | Stupid government. :/ |
| 06:15.37 | |R | hehe |
| 06:15.47 | Rask330 | Honestly, why can't we just do away with DST in full? |
| 06:15.57 | |R | i know, it's completely stupid |
| 06:16.06 | |R | saskatchewan did |
| 06:16.06 | |R | hehe |
| 06:16.15 | |R | we should all do the same :P |
| 06:16.19 | Rask330 | So did Arizona, Hawaii, and half of Indiana... |
| 06:16.31 | |R | ahaa |
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| 06:27.49 | Rask330 | Oh, I got my Stowaway BT keyboard today. :D It's pretty sweet. |
| 06:28.01 | |R | the small one? |
| 06:28.09 | Rask330 | Mhm. :) |
| 06:28.10 | |R | or the 4 3 fold one? |
| 06:28.16 | |R | s/4// |
| 06:28.17 | Rask330 | Small one. |
| 06:28.26 | |R | hehe yeah, i like it :) |
| 06:28.50 | Rask330 | If you change the keyboard driver on the N800 to "standard 104-key keyboard", the buttons work a lot better, I found... |
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| 06:29.10 | |R | oh? |
| 06:29.17 | |R | Rask330 : like what? i should try ;) |
| 06:29.36 | Rask330 | Well, for one thing, home/end work fine. :D |
| 06:30.15 | Rask330 | Also, the apostrophe button was behaving like an accute accent deadkey... but it's fine now. |
| 06:30.20 | |R | generic 105-key PC it is then! |
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| 06:30.55 | |R | do you know if it is possible to do Fx keys with it? i heard ctrl-left_Fn-number could on some forum... |
| 06:31.19 | |R | Rask330 : ah! good for the apostrophe... though i'd like to get accents too |
| 06:31.55 | Rask330 | I don't need accents... I'm a xenophobic american who speaks english to the exclusion of everything else. >:D |
| 06:32.33 | |R | eheh |
| 06:32.44 | |R | I'm from european decent, not my fault :P |
| 06:32.54 | |R | That and Montreal is bilingual :) |
| 06:33.13 | Rask330 | I suspect ctrl-fn-number isn't going to do it... ctrl-fn-1 is likely to just be ctrl-1. |
| 06:33.25 | Rask330 | There is that mystery "cmd" key though. |
| 06:33.46 | Rask330 | What was that app that you mentioned that traps keystrokes? |
| 06:34.17 | |R | ok, wtf, i had to reboot to change a language setting and now my change in mce.ini for the n800-pidgin-LED plugin are making my led blink every second |
| 06:34.28 | |R | uhm |
| 06:35.52 | |R | xev ? |
| 06:35.53 | _Monkey | xev is supposed to show all the X events |
| 06:36.18 | |R | sounds good ;) |
| 06:36.24 | |R | in xmodmap package |
| 06:37.13 | Rask330 | The thing is, |R, what would you use the function keys for? o.o |
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| 06:39.37 | |R | Rask330 : i don't know, just to have a complete keyboard, some keys in the control panel seems to be binded by default to Fn keys... which is a bit intriguing :) |
| 06:40.07 | Rask330 | What keys are those? |
| 06:40.46 | |R | in control panel -> hardware keyboard -> shortcuts |
| 06:40.50 | Rask330 | Ah.. |
| 06:41.10 | Rask330 | Also, this is freakin' sweet... the alt key even inserts an escape in xterm. :D |
| 06:42.08 | |R | uhm? :) |
| 06:42.23 | Rask330 | Well, I mean, alt-1 translates as esc 1. X3 |
| 06:42.28 | Rask330 | For irssi and such. |
| 06:42.47 | |R | cool :) |
| 06:42.56 | |R | better xterm, yeah! ;) |
| 06:43.23 | Rask330 | Well, way better than what I was using previously. XD |
| 06:43.29 | Rask330 | I was using pssh on my palm TX. |
| 06:43.56 | Rask330 | Home/End/PgUp/PgDn did -nothing-... |
| 06:44.12 | Rask330 | Esc did nothing either. |
| 06:44.18 | Rask330 | Nor did control. |
| 06:44.25 | |R | my friend just received his n800, i'll see with him if we can make a keyboard hack for accents ;) |
| 06:44.25 | Rask330 | I had to poke on-screen buttons for those. |
| 06:44.40 | |R | yeah, pain in the ... |
| 06:49.22 | |R | i guess i could always replace all Fn shortcut by ctrl-alt-n |
| 06:51.23 | Rask330 | Ahah! |
| 06:51.27 | Rask330 | I found it. :) |
| 06:51.31 | |R | ? :) |
| 06:51.49 | |R | i screwed up my connection to the kbd |
| 06:52.00 | Rask330 | It seems like there's some correspondence between the function keys and Blue Fn + the ASDF row of keys. |
| 06:52.53 | Rask330 | Yup. |
| 06:52.56 | Rask330 | Confirmed. |
| 06:53.20 | Rask330 | BlueFn + A = F1, BlueFn + S = F2, BlueFn + D = F3, etc. |
| 06:53.26 | |R | ah cool |
| 06:53.48 | |R | uhm, wtf is English (Eire) in keyboard layout? |
| 06:53.56 | Rask330 | Irish. |
| 06:54.00 | |R | oh |
| 06:54.10 | |R | never seen that befor :) |
| 06:54.11 | Rask330 | ...Wow, all 12 function keys are represented. |
| 06:54.16 | |R | yeah! |
| 06:54.23 | Rask330 | All the way up to BlueFn + Enter = F12. |
| 06:54.23 | |R | it didnt work without the 105 key mode |
| 06:54.41 | |R | so just that row ? |
| 06:54.49 | |R | ignoring the blue text on keys then...? |
| 06:54.57 | |R | g = f5 ? |
| 06:55.02 | Rask330 | Yup. :] |
| 06:55.28 | Rask330 | The people who designed the firmware on this keyboard were no slackers. |
| 06:55.54 | |R | yep, f6 maximises, hooray |
| 06:56.25 | Rask330 | Yeah. :) |
| 06:57.13 | Rask330 | I'm going to have to redefine these so there's some rhyme or reason to them, though... |
| 06:58.31 | |R | uhm, french canadien layout is useles on this though |
| 06:58.48 | |R | i guess i'll bind cmd to an accent row or something ;) |
| 06:59.53 | Rask330 | Hm, the N800 doesn't seem too willing to let me redefine the function keys... |
| 07:00.46 | |R | yeah, it worked in one of them and freezed in the other |
| 07:00.51 | |R | weird... :| |
| 07:01.35 | |R | ahhh finally, F9, task switcher |
| 07:01.40 | |R | i was dying for that :P |
| 07:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | Alt-tab would be fantastic. |
| 07:05.53 | |R | Fn-l (F9) does it :) |
| 07:06.07 | |R | ctrl-Fn doesn't work though |
| 07:07.00 | Rask330 | Arg, this is silly. XD |
| 07:07.47 | Rask330 | The single function keys are stuck where they are, pretty much. |
| 07:08.06 | Rask330 | You can redefine them, but you can't use the function key to which they were previously assigned for anything else. |
| 07:08.42 | Rask330 | I suppose I'd better just get to memorizing the default assignments. |
| 07:09.50 | |R | uhm |
| 07:09.53 | |R | they stoped working |
| 07:10.00 | |R | except f4 -> menu |
| 07:10.14 | |R | but f3 doesn't give the apps menu anymore and f9 the alt-tab .. |
| 07:10.15 | |R | wth |
| 07:10.18 | Rask330 | Odd. Did you press fn with any of the keys in the bottom row? |
| 07:10.24 | |R | maybe |
| 07:10.29 | |R | (ok yes ;P) |
| 07:10.33 | Rask330 | Yeah. XD |
| 07:10.37 | |R | hehe |
| 07:10.39 | |R | what does that do? |
| 07:10.40 | Rask330 | Push BlueFn+X. |
| 07:10.53 | Rask330 | And try now. |
| 07:11.04 | |R | actually, it's C |
| 07:11.07 | |R | Cancel |
| 07:11.13 | |R | it seems to break things ;) |
| 07:11.19 | Rask330 | I think they both do. |
| 07:11.22 | |R | oh |
| 07:11.32 | Rask330 | They're numlock and scrolllock. |
| 07:11.38 | |R | oh haha |
| 07:11.44 | Rask330 | And maemo seems to view them as key modifiers... |
| 07:11.53 | |R | what's wrong with ctrl-s and ctrl-q :P |
| 07:12.00 | |R | ok :) |
| 07:12.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:12.31 | |R | morning! (uhm 3:10, i should be out of here ...) |
| 07:12.43 | Rask330 | Me too really >.>; |
| 07:14.30 | |R | well, good night all :) |
| 07:14.52 | |R | Tomorrow, maybe the night will tell me how to bind rtcomm to tun0's IP! ;) |
| 07:14.53 | Rask330 | Night~ |
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| 08:23.08 | stone1 | unique311: I am the dev for tunapie. Could you email me to sort out porting it to maemo? jamesmstone at gmail dot com |
| 08:24.16 | unique311 | stone1, i was working on it...but i never followed thru. |
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| 08:27.00 | unique311 | looks like somebody else is working on a port. and has lots done... http://www.flickr.com/photos/yerga/490447099/ |
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| 08:32.56 | x2 | blleh |
| 08:33.10 | x2 | is there any good media streamer? |
| 08:33.14 | x2 | video :/ |
| 08:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | "streamer"? |
| 08:33.36 | x2 | to stream video |
| 08:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | Platform? |
| 08:33.51 | x2 | 770 |
| 08:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | Computer . . . |
| 08:34.05 | x2 | ? |
| 08:34.17 | GeneralAntilles | You want to stream media from your computer to your 770, right? |
| 08:34.21 | x2 | OH |
| 08:34.22 | x2 | yea |
| 08:34.26 | x2 | ive got it all set |
| 08:34.33 | x2 | just need a decent player for the 770 |
| 08:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | What are you streaming with? |
| 08:34.42 | x2 | I thought mplayer could do it.. |
| 08:34.52 | x2 | windows media encoder |
| 08:34.57 | x2 | at 800x480 |
| 08:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 08:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 08:35.04 | x2 | ... |
| 08:35.06 | GeneralAntilles | 400x240 max |
| 08:35.09 | x2 | why |
| 08:35.11 | x2 | :/ |
| 08:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | With a 770, probably close to 400-600Kbps |
| 08:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | and wmv wont cut it |
| 08:35.28 | x2 | oh |
| 08:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | You need MPEG4 |
| 08:35.44 | x2 | what do you recommend? |
| 08:35.50 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
| 08:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | ORB or TVersity will transcode |
| 08:36.25 | x2 | live tv? |
| 08:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know |
| 08:36.39 | GeneralAntilles | Never used them. |
| 08:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | Don't use Windows. |
| 08:36.53 | x2 | lol :( |
| 08:38.25 | GeneralAntilles | But, whatever you use, it has to be MPEG-4 at around 400-700kbps total bitrate with a resolution no greater than 400x240 |
| 08:38.39 | x2 | ok |
| 08:38.51 | x2 | i plan to do around 400 kbs |
| 08:40.33 | L0cutus | GeneralAntilles: this is valid also for n800 ? |
| 08:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 08:41.00 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is MPEG4 at 1000-1500Kbps total bitrate with no more than 400x240 resolution. |
| 08:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | MP3 audio recommended for DSP usage. |
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| 08:41.26 | L0cutus | wow |
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| 08:42.28 | libra | hello everyone£¡ |
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| 08:43.12 | libra | who has the x11vnc deb package for nokia n800? |
| 08:44.01 | x2 | what can I use to steam video on the 770 though? |
| 08:44.13 | libra | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 this link can not be opened . |
| 08:45.22 | libra | who can open this website link http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702? |
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| 08:48.23 | daef | hi |
| 08:48.24 | _Monkey | hey, daef |
| 08:48.39 | daef | _Monkey loves infobot, does he? |
| 08:48.39 | _Monkey | wish i knew, daef |
| 08:48.53 | daef | infobot loves _Monkey, does he? |
| 08:50.09 | daef | i have a prob with an undocumented dbus-call |
| 08:50.16 | L0cutus | libra: i can open it |
| 08:50.48 | daef | i read about the dbus-send ......play_media string:file:///../file.wav |
| 08:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | It depends on what you're sending, x2. |
| 08:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Some streaming solutions have an http interface |
| 08:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | some work over UPnP |
| 08:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | In which case Media Player should handle it if you're on OS2007 |
| 08:51.52 | x2 | if I use wmv |
| 08:51.58 | x2 | hacker 07 |
| 08:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | wmv doesn't work. |
| 08:52.01 | daef | but it cuts a quater to a half second of the file on the end - which is annoying when the file should be a 'click' and sounds totally chopped |
| 08:52.04 | x2 | not at all? |
| 08:52.26 | daef | i do only need to play .wav files with a delay as small as possible... |
| 08:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm going to guess that that microsoft solution is probably something proprietary. |
| 08:52.33 | daef | ...gst-launch is far too slow |
| 08:52.41 | x2 | ? |
| 08:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | No, WMV will not work. |
| 08:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | You need MPEG4 at the resolution and bitrate I specified before. |
| 08:53.10 | x2 | wme x64 |
| 08:53.12 | x2 | bleh |
| 08:53.16 | x2 | I understand |
| 08:53.22 | x2 | I have to go find an encoder now |
| 08:53.26 | x2 | or transcoder |
| 08:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | ORB or TVersity |
| 08:53.41 | daef | GeneralAntilles: x2: am i interrupting a discussion about the *sarkasm_on* lovely *sarkasm_off* wmv-format? |
| 08:53.42 | x2 | tversity im getting now |
| 08:53.53 | x2 | more or less |
| 08:53.59 | x2 | i have wmv, I use xvid mainly |
| 08:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | He's trying to stream media to his 770. |
| 08:54.08 | x2 | but I need a quick encode from live tv |
| 08:54.09 | x2 | lol |
| 08:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | So, no, it's not a discussion of the format. |
| 08:54.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just streaming solutions. |
| 08:54.30 | x2 | and in the process getting bashed secretly for using windows :x |
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| 08:54.49 | daef | once i've streamed the camera-source from the n800 over wlan to my pc - to view it with vlc - was a handy spycam!! |
| 08:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | You could probably hack something together with VLC for live tv transcoding. |
| 08:55.00 | daef | GeneralAntilles: my words |
| 08:55.18 | x2 | does vlc support tuner cards now? |
| 08:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | I know CyTV will do it on Mac. |
| 08:55.26 | daef | vlc is very flexible in terms of streaming |
| 08:55.34 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno what will feed VLC the live tv data on Windows. |
| 08:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | If only it had a decent on-demand front-end. |
| 08:55.52 | daef | write a little direct-show plugin |
| 08:56.00 | daef | wich streams the vid to vlc |
| 08:56.07 | daef | wich streams the vid to the n800 |
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| 08:56.40 | x2 | lol |
| 08:57.01 | x2 | i wish I didnt overclock or game.. |
| 08:57.07 | daef | vlc can read from a stream - convert it - buffer it (optional) - and open a streaming server of another kind than the one it is reading from |
| 08:57.34 | daef | x2: m$ win is kindo' - like a kernelmodule - but for games!! |
| 08:57.50 | x2 | lol |
| 08:57.59 | x2 | q6600 @ 3.6 <3 |
| 08:58.09 | x2 | its like.. |
| 08:58.23 | x2 | why use linux when I have plenty hardware |
| 08:58.31 | x2 | unless its a server, then of course linux |
| 08:58.37 | daef | x2: because you are a masochist? |
| 08:58.43 | x2 | lol |
| 08:58.49 | daef | like me |
| 08:58.51 | daef | ;) |
| 08:58.57 | x2 | Pc Info:: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 [Speed:: 3.60 GHz | 1.46 v | 400 * 9 | 8MB (2% Load)] [Memory::Used: 1840/4094MB @ ddr2 1000 | 4-4-4-8 2.2v] [HD1:: 34 C HD2:: 36 C Core 0:: 35 C Core 1:: 35 C Core 2:: 32 C Core 3:: 32 C] |
| 08:59.03 | x2 | haha |
| 08:59.07 | daef | x2: whatever.... |
| 08:59.08 | _Monkey | whatever is fun for you. More power to ya |
| 08:59.13 | x2 | LOL |
| 08:59.18 | x2 | _Monkey! |
| 08:59.18 | _Monkey | it has been said that i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now |
| 08:59.30 | x2 | daef? |
| 08:59.30 | _Monkey | rumour has it daef is from upper austria |
| 08:59.40 | daef | infobot: all hail to the mighty x2 |
| 09:00.22 | x2 | lol |
| 09:00.23 | daef | x2? |
| 09:00.25 | x2 | im nub |
| 09:01.15 | daef | so is anyone here who knows how to play complete(!) .wav files from a sh-script on the n800 ?? |
| 09:01.30 | daef | gst-launch's gap at the beginning is to big |
| 09:01.48 | melmoth | daef: i had a script that used to do that |
| 09:02.01 | melmoth | let me see if i still have it |
| 09:02.02 | daef | dbus-send > osso_media_server cuts a bit of the end from a wav away |
| 09:02.35 | db48x | just use mplayer |
| 09:02.39 | daef | i tried to compile alsa-utils (to obtain aplay from it) but i get 'configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.' |
| 09:02.46 | melmoth | daef: i have it,i use pygame :) |
| 09:02.55 | daef | but libasound2-dev |
| 09:02.58 | melmoth | daef: email ? |
| 09:02.58 | daef | is installed |
| 09:03.04 | daef | santa@datateam.at |
| 09:03.06 | melmoth | ok |
| 09:03.16 | daef | ty melmoth |
| 09:03.21 | libra | L0cutus online? |
| 09:03.29 | L0cutus | yes |
| 09:03.45 | libra | can you download this file for me? |
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| 09:04.04 | L0cutus | DOWNLOAD |
| 09:04.04 | L0cutus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.04 | _Monkey | hmmm... DOWNLOAD is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. |
| 09:04.06 | L0cutus | this one ? |
| 09:04.12 | libra | yes |
| 09:04.14 | melmoth | daef: you shall receieve it shortly. I havent playes with it for ages |
| 09:04.33 | L0cutus | libra: yes no problem |
| 09:04.46 | libra | my email address is bupt_011022@163.com |
| 09:04.50 | L0cutus | about 500kb |
| 09:04.54 | L0cutus | ok |
| 09:05.13 | daef | melmoth: what does it use to play snds? |
| 09:05.17 | libra | L0cutus thanks! |
| 09:05.23 | melmoth | pygame |
| 09:05.57 | melmoth | gstreamer was another option, but i wanted something that play stuff in loop without a break. |
| 09:05.59 | daef | let me google pygame - dunno what that is :/ |
| 09:06.04 | melmoth | so pygame was much more easy |
| 09:06.26 | libra | L0cutus i have been found this package for long time. thank you very much! |
| 09:06.27 | melmoth | it s a python module (sdl stuff i think) |
| 09:06.55 | L0cutus | libra: sent :) |
| 09:07.39 | libra | L0cutus I come from China.are you? |
| 09:07.44 | daef | melmoth: my mailsrv pop's the mails all 10mins - that can be horrible long ;) |
| 09:07.50 | L0cutus | nono, i'm from Italy :) |
| 09:08.46 | melmoth | daef: gstream should be another option, but the main problem i had was the sink on scratchox are not the same as the one i have on the tablet |
| 09:08.57 | melmoth | so i had to try out everything on the tabler, wich i dislike. |
| 09:09.02 | daef | gst-launch is too slow |
| 09:09.08 | libra | L0cutus i'm not access that website. because our goverment has some limits. |
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| 09:09.18 | daef | it needs 1-2 secs from invoking until the speaker does sth. |
| 09:09.28 | K | Hi all ... |
| 09:09.29 | L0cutus | libra: yes i know... |
| 09:09.34 | melmoth | hmmm, i m not sure you will find pygame more efficient in that respect |
| 09:09.50 | libra | L0cutus: can i make friends with you? |
| 09:10.27 | Khertan | i'm trying to play with the bluetooth module in python but i always get the same problem |
| 09:10.29 | L0cutus | libra: unfortunately i do not write/speak english well :( |
| 09:10.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: AFAICT, there's no reason 770-encode (and thus mediaserv) couldn't do DVB streaming with a small amount of fiddlign |
| 09:11.26 | L0cutus | libra: but if you need somethig, i'm here |
| 09:11.28 | libra | L0cutus : me too,i'm good at reading english paper. |
| 09:11.58 | L0cutus | the english i know come only from some english tech docs. :) |
| 09:12.08 | daef | melmoth: i think i won't use pygame - that makes me depend from python and pygame - 2 more dependencies - there are already so many!! |
| 09:12.10 | libra | L0cutus : but listening and spoking is not good |
| 09:12.25 | daef | L0cutus: do you know the german meaning of lokus? |
| 09:12.44 | libra | L0cutus: no |
| 09:12.56 | L0cutus | daef: no |
| 09:13.24 | L0cutus | my nick comes from Star Trek :) |
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| 09:13.40 | daef | comes from locus necessitatis - the place of the nature's call - short: toilet |
| 09:13.41 | Khertan | when i try to connect to my phone with a bluetoothSocket(RFCOMM) on channel 9 (OBEX) i always get a device or ressource busy |
| 09:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I might play around with CyTV and try setting up a link on the mediaserv page that'll send an AppleScript call for it to start. |
| 09:14.18 | L0cutus | daef: lol :D |
| 09:14.28 | Khertan | someone have succesfully pushed file with python from an n800 ? |
| 09:15.06 | daef | so does anyone know why dbus-send > osso_media_player.... cut a bit from the end of the wav? |
| 09:15.18 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah, excellent. 770-encode can do it already. |
| 09:15.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: so, in fact, it's trivial to add to mediaserv. |
| 09:15.32 | libra | L0cutus : can you send me another copy to this mail address bupt.011022@gmail.com |
| 09:16.13 | L0cutus | yep |
| 09:16.31 | TPC | I use this for encoding for the n800: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/n800encode.sh.txt |
| 09:16.38 | TPC | quality is great, and it plays great on the N800 |
| 09:16.51 | TPC | haven't tried it on a 770, but it might work there too |
| 09:17.00 | libra | L0cutus :do you make some application in N800 or N770? |
| 09:17.09 | L0cutus | sent |
| 09:17.31 | L0cutus | libra: not for now, i'm really a noob on n800 |
| 09:17.35 | Jaffa | TPC: I like my optimised cropping in http://bleb.org/software/maemo/#encode |
| 09:17.38 | L0cutus | (just purchased) |
| 09:18.41 | libra | L0cutus : how much is the n800 in Itlay? |
| 09:19.12 | libra | L0cutus : the n800 is not saled in China. |
| 09:19.20 | L0cutus | i've buy from nokiashop.it at 257€ |
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| 09:19.43 | L0cutus | not very cheap... |
| 09:20.37 | libra | L0cutus:dollar? |
| 09:21.09 | L0cutus | euro |
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| 09:21.54 | Rothiel | Hi |
| 09:22.04 | libra | L0cutus: it is not cheap |
| 09:22.22 | L0cutus | i know, i've see it on buy.com for 239$ |
| 09:22.39 | L0cutus | but is impossible for extra-US to buy there |
| 09:24.01 | libra | L0cutus: I get it from nokia research center of China. |
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| 09:25.33 | L0cutus | how much ? |
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| 09:27.39 | libra | L0cutus: we have the project with them. they give me ,no money |
| 09:27.53 | L0cutus | arrgh :) |
| 09:29.10 | libra | i am a postgraduate of state key lab of networking and switching |
| 09:31.13 | libra | do you any IM ? such as msn? |
| 09:31.20 | TPC | Jaffa, optmised cropping? |
| 09:31.55 | TPC | I use mencoders dsize filter |
| 09:32.01 | L0cutus | i'm an 'old' man (42 years), i'm a watchmaker :) |
| 09:32.13 | TPC | Jaffa, which checks to see which side is the longest, and crops accordingly |
| 09:32.16 | TPC | works great |
| 09:32.17 | L0cutus | libra: no, i do not use IM, only irc |
| 09:32.45 | TPC | Jaffa, or wait, I'm being confused here |
| 09:32.48 | TPC | it scales, not crops |
| 09:32.51 | TPC | why would you crop? |
| 09:32.54 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 09:33.53 | libra | L0cutus : can i make friends with you?age is not a problem. |
| 09:33.58 | daef | you mean it scales so that max_X or max_Y are reached - whatever reaches first - aspect ratio is kept |
| 09:34.23 | daef | so if a vid is flatter than 15:9 (or whatever) it will get black boxen on top and bottom |
| 09:34.27 | daef | not left and right |
| 09:34.29 | daef | ?!? |
| 09:34.31 | daef | right |
| 09:34.32 | TPC | thats right |
| 09:34.32 | daef | ? |
| 09:34.50 | TPC | thats what -vf dsize does with mencoder |
| 09:35.00 | daef | it could also crop to reach the 15:9 |
| 09:35.12 | TPC | I don't want to crop |
| 09:35.17 | TPC | it could cut off a valuable part of the video |
| 09:35.17 | daef | so every vid would be 'fullscreen' |
| 09:35.23 | daef | wo cares? |
| 09:35.31 | daef | s/wo/who/g |
| 09:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | You buy your DVDs in fullscreen, don't you daef? |
| 09:36.06 | daef | i encode videos not for watching the valuable part... i encode video's to have the thing done ;) |
| 09:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Why bother encoding at all, then? :\ |
| 09:36.28 | daef | but 4:3 cannot be played on the full n800 screen without cropping or stitching |
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| 09:36.41 | daef | GeneralAntilles: why does mankind exist? |
| 09:36.53 | daef | why cannot cut concatenate files? |
| 09:37.07 | daef | why is the sea green |
| 09:37.13 | daef | ahem /blue |
| 09:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | How do you get from video cropping to that? . . . |
| 09:38.26 | pupnik_ | not very expensive imo |
| 09:40.08 | daef | pupnik_: i cannot compile aplay - gst-launch is too slow - dbus-send crops a bit of the end from the wav to play |
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| 09:40.42 | pupnik_ | i think you can play wavs with the gstreamer tools daef |
| 09:40.54 | pupnik_ | from the shell |
| 09:41.01 | daef | pupnik_: it needs 1-2 secs from pressing enter until it plays the sound |
| 09:41.07 | daef | i need it in a sh-script |
| 09:41.12 | daef | with much less delay |
| 09:41.42 | daef | when i try to ./configure alsa-utils in my armel_target i get: libasound headers version >= 1.0.12... not present |
| 09:41.49 | daef | but libasound2-dev is installed |
| 09:42.52 | pupnik_ | you need 0.5 second delay, 0.1 second delay? |
| 09:43.35 | daef | as small as possible... 1 second is definetly too mucgh |
| 09:43.46 | daef | s/mucgh/much/g |
| 09:44.00 | pupnik_ | well for music, i start mp3s with a system call gst-launch $filename ! dspmp3sink,0 |
| 09:44.11 | daef | i only need to play .wav's |
| 09:44.37 | pupnik_ | but this would be too slow - since you use sdl, i think sdl audio and mixer is the way to go |
| 09:44.58 | daef | i cannot sink wav's in the mp3sink - i need to use wavparse ! dsppcmsink |
| 09:45.44 | pupnik_ | i think any exec() or execlp() or system() type call might be too slow for your application |
| 09:48.05 | daef | my sdl-app is platform independent - it writes the sounds to play into a fifo wich is read by a sh-script wich plays the sounds from cmdline |
| 09:48.14 | daef | so no system() is needed |
| 09:48.19 | pupnik_ | Mix_LoadWAV(), Mix_PlayChannel() |
| 09:48.33 | pupnik_ | sdl is platform independent |
| 09:48.52 | pupnik_ | just let sdl play the sounds |
| 09:50.18 | pupnik_ | i understand how you wanted to make platform independence |
| 09:51.31 | pupnik_ | where is there time for the program to load the sounds? when the user is slowly inputting a string of commands |
| 09:52.09 | pupnik_ | so load a .wav after every icon press, while the machine is otherwise idling |
| 09:52.47 | pupnik_ | just some thoughts :) |
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| 10:08.47 | bilboed | is there a list somewhere of phones that pair perfectly with the NXXX tablets ? Especially the nokia ones |
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| 10:27.03 | Jaffa | Pairing "perfectly" is also dependent on your operator setup. My W850i paired perfectly, but wouldn't connect via packet data until I changed the CID in the connection string (UK, Vodafone) |
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| 10:31.29 | akai-- | hi |
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| 10:40.08 | daef | pupnik_: now did it with sdl (for that platform) |
| 10:40.20 | daef | a little(!) prog which just plays wav's |
| 10:40.33 | daef | anybody want that crappy thing for his n800?? |
| 10:41.40 | akai-- | is there any documentation describing how Xomap works? |
| 10:43.23 | pupnik_ | daef: are you going to integrate wav playing into your main program, or stick with the FIFO? |
| 10:43.44 | pupnik_ | akai--: there's headers and stuff online, and some chat in the maemo-developers mailing list |
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| 11:06.14 | keesj | hi |
| 11:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Jaffa, EyeTV dumps a live tv buffer to disk, so I went ahead and symlinked that into mediaserv's search directory. Works fine, except for the fact that I never managed to get LAME working correctly (it's at least encoding the video now, but the audio just comes out as the most horrifyingly loud static you can imagine--so I'm just using pass-through) and the N800 wont play AC3. |
| 11:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | But, anybody with an EyeTV and a working LAME encoder can get live tv with that method. |
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| 11:30.17 | L0cutus | hum |
| 11:30.36 | L0cutus | i'm unable to run apt-get update inside scratchbox |
| 11:30.50 | L0cutus | seems it can't reach internet |
| 11:31.02 | L0cutus | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.09 | L0cutus | any idea on how to fix this ? |
| 11:33.08 | red-zack | yes, make your networkconnection working |
| 11:37.21 | L0cutus | hehe this is the problem :) |
| 11:37.34 | L0cutus | i don't know ubuntu nor scratchbox :) |
| 11:37.56 | L0cutus | my virtualbox guest work ok on internet |
| 11:38.06 | inz | most likely you have a /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has something not nice |
| 11:38.28 | red-zack | ubuntu hast something not nice.. |
| 11:39.22 | inz | L0cutus, http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/AptGetFailsToDownload |
| 11:39.24 | red-zack | L0cutus: and. i havent run scratchbox virtual. so cant helf. sry |
| 11:39.36 | red-zack | *help |
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| 11:43.27 | akai-- | what is Xomap using as a "graphics card"? |
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| 11:50.18 | cosmo_ | anyone got experience debugging on device with maemo-summoner? |
| 11:50.36 | cosmo_ | i can't get proper backtraces |
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| 11:55.47 | L0cutus | mmm |
| 11:55.58 | L0cutus | seems not to be a dns problem |
| 11:56.11 | L0cutus | since the command wget www.amazon.de get the index.... |
| 11:56.21 | L0cutus | is an apt-get problem |
| 12:00.57 | inz | L0cutus, apt-get uses /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf, others use the same in /etc/ |
| 12:02.11 | L0cutus | inz: so wget that i have run inside scratchbox use the /etc/resolv ? |
| 12:03.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I did a "770-encode dvb://BBC\ ONE foo.avi" and that worked as expected here, so it'd just be a case of tweaking mediaserv to use arbitrary URLs in servemedia() - which is needed to do the RSS proxying anyway. Should be relatively easy, and mediaserv killing the transcoder after use (in this case) actually makes it useful. |
| 12:04.48 | inz | L0cutus, yes, (or /scratchbox/users/<username>/targets/<targetname>/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf) |
| 12:05.24 | inz | L0cutus, you need to fix the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 12:07.12 | L0cutus | hosts: files dns |
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| 12:09.04 | inz | oh |
| 12:09.08 | inz | then maybe the resolv.conf there is broken =) |
| 12:12.15 | L0cutus | no |
| 12:12.25 | L0cutus | it is the same of my ubuntu |
| 12:12.33 | L0cutus | :( |
| 12:12.45 | L0cutus | i have really no idea on where to make my hands :) |
| 12:13.03 | L0cutus | s/make/put/g |
| 12:13.05 | L0cutus | :) |
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| 12:19.41 | murrayc_ | You sometimes need to fix nsswitch: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html |
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| 12:24.12 | L0cutus | i'm an idiot... |
| 12:24.43 | L0cutus | i was edit the nsswitch.conf while i'm logged in scratchbox... |
| 12:25.07 | L0cutus | instead of /scratchbox/etc/nssetc... |
| 12:25.21 | L0cutus | now all work :) |
| 12:25.59 | lcdd | the scratchbox installer was kinda bad with a 1GB root fs |
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| 12:41.59 | Rothiel | excuse me |
| 12:42.01 | Rothiel | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c |
| 12:42.01 | Rothiel | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub |
| 12:42.12 | Rothiel | this missing file |
| 12:42.28 | Rothiel | it's specific to scratchbox or it's an error from my system ? |
| 12:44.10 | alterego | I've not heard of anyone successfully using scratchbox under a BSD system. |
| 12:44.21 | alterego | I think you're only chance is using VMWare player/server |
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| 13:12.17 | Tak | alterego: how come your new ruby packages have stuff in arm-linux instead of arm-linux-eabi? |
| 13:12.39 | alterego | Tak, I don't know. |
| 13:12.49 | Tak | lol - ok |
| 13:12.53 | alterego | I noticed that myself. |
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| 13:13.25 | Tak | it broke my rubygame package ;-) |
| 13:13.30 | alterego | If you need to install to the sitearch dir, use `ruby -rbconfig -e "print Config::CONFIG['sitearchdir']` |
| 13:13.54 | alterego | Yeah, that was likely to happen. |
| 13:13.59 | Tak | heh, I'm doing that in scratchbox at package-time |
| 13:14.11 | alterego | The new packages are a bit different to the old ones :) |
| 13:14.29 | alterego | Tak, yeah. I have to do the same thing for a few of the extensions :) |
| 13:14.43 | alterego | Took me a while to figure out that little chesnut. |
| 13:15.19 | Tak | although it occurs to me now that I still have your old packages installed in sbox |
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| 13:16.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:16.35 | alterego | Luckily it's so easy to reinstall scratchbox targets :) |
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| 13:17.03 | alterego | Oh, so you're using a 3.x SDK? |
| 13:17.29 | Tak | umm...yes? |
| 13:17.35 | Tak | 3.x == bora? |
| 13:17.38 | alterego | Yeahj |
| 13:18.08 | alterego | I thought you might like to use the 4.0 SDK to be ready for OS2008 ;) |
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| 13:23.34 | Tak | heh |
| 13:23.44 | Tak | I'm having disk space issues atm |
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| 13:25.23 | fysakk | has anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger? |
| 13:25.23 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, fysakk. |
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| 13:26.18 | fysakk | ? |
| 13:26.23 | Daniellion | hmm id just like the large finger board to be the default |
| 13:26.30 | Tak | afaik there's the mini and the thumb |
| 13:26.36 | Daniellion | i cant ever get that going reliably with the fat finger approach to come up |
| 13:27.04 | fysakk | correct. they are defined in a vkb file in usr/share/keyboard |
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| 13:28.01 | Daniellion | can you get it to default one way or another? |
| 13:28.55 | fysakk | the big one should be mpdified also to have a full time number row w/modifiers |
| 13:29.14 | Daniellion | yeah |
| 13:29.16 | Daniellion | would be nice |
| 13:29.53 | Tak | you can always swap out your vkb file ;-) |
| 13:30.14 | fysakk | there is enough room.. i can nearly thumb the smaller keyboard when i have to.. (xterm/nano) |
| 13:30.42 | fysakk | was hoping there was a vkb collection sonewhere |
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| 13:34.23 | fysakk | changing the minimum font size in opera makes a big improvement for me.. |
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| 13:35.54 | fysakk | there is an option to raise simultaneous connections also, i set at 24 instead of 4 and it feels much more responsive--but could be placebo, i need to quantify it |
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| 13:42.52 | fysakk | raised from 7 to 17 and no longer have to zoom (slow) every page |
| 13:44.48 | Rothiel | Is someone uses VistaMax as IDE ? |
| 13:45.19 | waite | Has nayone setup to post blogs from the N800 to maemopoeple (b2evo)? |
| 13:45.21 | Rothiel | It's written on the website that it's compatible with the SDK |
| 13:45.45 | Rothiel | but the link returns 404 and on the website of the IDE |
| 13:45.53 | Rothiel | they don't mention maemo :/ |
| 13:46.08 | Daniellion | Anyone hear a release date yet for the 810? |
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| 13:47.55 | Rothiel | in 2 or 3 weeks |
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| 13:59.18 | Daniellion | Yeah excited |
| 13:59.22 | Daniellion | Im happy about it |
| 13:59.35 | Daniellion | It fixed the things i didn't like about the 770 and 800 |
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| 14:05.44 | Daniellion | lots of stuff on youtube botu the 810 |
| 14:05.52 | Daniellion | a bunch of people have em |
| 14:05.56 | Daniellion | im Guessing testers |
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| 14:06.27 | Daniellion | I hope the navicore is granular enough to be usefull for walking |
| 14:06.39 | Daniellion | I hear it had a pedistran mode.. not just a car mode |
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| 14:27.50 | Tak | hmm |
| 14:33.54 | Daniellion | Yeah i cant auth. to our wifi network at work without ttls |
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| 15:08.18 | Daniellion | Morning |
| 15:08.19 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 15:11.37 | Rothiel | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c |
| 15:11.37 | Rothiel | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub |
| 15:11.37 | Rothiel | make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 |
| 15:11.49 | Rothiel | Can anyone explain to me this error please ? |
| 15:12.03 | Tak | you're missing /bin/sh or ./config.sub ? |
| 15:12.18 | Rothiel | Why care about a BSD-compliant install ?? Don't understand |
| 15:12.47 | Tak | the second line is unrelated to the first |
| 15:13.15 | Rothiel | ok |
| 15:13.40 | Rothiel | there is no folder sh in my /bin |
| 15:13.46 | Rothiel | It's normal ? |
| 15:13.53 | Tak | /bin/sh should be an executable |
| 15:14.26 | Rothiel | oh yes I got it of course :) |
| 15:14.36 | Rothiel | (sorry, I'm a noob) |
| 15:14.54 | Rothiel | so the problem is config.sub |
| 15:14.58 | zoran | Rothiel, what means "bsd_compatibile"? |
| 15:15.43 | Rothiel | zoran > I guess it means that the application can be run on BSD system too |
| 15:16.03 | L0cutus | anone is using scratchbox+maemo/nokia sdk with archlinux ? |
| 15:16.07 | L0cutus | anyone* |
| 15:16.08 | zoran | I thought scratchbox works only on linux |
| 15:16.31 | Rothiel | zoran > me too and it is |
| 15:16.46 | Rothiel | I try to create a .deb with the hello_world example |
| 15:16.57 | zoran | I tried it on freebsd; no luck, even with linux libs included |
| 15:17.27 | zoran | the thing is not even intentioned to work that way |
| 15:18.17 | Rothiel | yep |
| 15:18.53 | Rothiel | so, the config.sub that is missing |
| 15:19.27 | Rothiel | it is a file from scratchbox ? |
| 15:19.27 | Rothiel | or from my system ? |
| 15:19.27 | zoran | should be 32 bit bsd and 32 bit linux emulation |
| 15:19.29 | alterego | Your system should be completely seperate from scratchbox. |
| 15:19.44 | alterego | If something is going wrong making a package then it is almost certainly with your scratchbox configuration. |
| 15:20.25 | zoran | Rothiel, on what system do you install? |
| 15:21.48 | Tak | bsd-compatible install just means that you have a program called "install" that is compatible with the one in the bsd toolkit, which has become a standard (apparently) - it's standard in configure scripts |
| 15:22.16 | alterego | Yes, and it has nothing to do with your problem :) |
| 15:22.25 | Rothiel | zoran > ubuntu 7.10 |
| 15:22.31 | zoran | cool |
| 15:23.01 | Rothiel | Thanks for the info alterego & Tak |
| 15:23.02 | alterego | Rothiel, Look at '/bin/sh ./config.sub1' .. Now .. Where do you think the file should be? |
| 15:23.07 | zoran | if I recall, you could just unzip files, or I'm totaly missing things |
| 15:23.16 | alterego | - the 1 |
| 15:23.26 | zoran | :) |
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| 15:25.54 | Rothiel | alterego > I don't have config.sub in my /bin |
| 15:26.22 | alterego | Rothiel, I'll give you another clue. './config.sub' .. Now .. What makes you think it's in the /bin directory? |
| 15:28.01 | Rothiel | because it's a binary |
| 15:28.29 | alterego | Rothiel, this is my final clue. './' |
| 15:28.34 | alterego | Do you know what that is? |
| 15:28.47 | zoran | Rothiel, run it in a directory you are in |
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| 15:29.45 | Rothiel | './' is used to launch a binary, no ? that's why I learned :/ |
| 15:30.06 | alterego | ./ is the _relative_ path to your current directory |
| 15:30.07 | zoran | not necessary |
| 15:30.08 | sxpert-work | not necessarily |
| 15:30.13 | Rothiel | or a path, but . is the current directory |
| 15:30.20 | Rothiel | yep |
| 15:30.26 | zoran | just do that |
| 15:30.39 | alterego | So what makes you think that ./something is in the bin directory? That's just stupid. |
| 15:31.22 | Rothiel | I admit |
| 15:31.23 | Rothiel | ;( |
| 15:31.29 | zoran | some systems does not use a lot ascii files as executable |
| 15:32.57 | Rothiel | ok |
| 15:33.06 | Tak | tsk, no need for abuse ;-) |
| 15:34.07 | alterego | Sorry, I was just trying to get him to think a bit more about what was going on ;) |
| 15:34.30 | Tak | instead, abuse me for not being able to figure out why my vkb stops displaying strings once I enter a space |
| 15:34.39 | Rothiel | no problem Tak =) |
| 15:35.14 | alterego | Are you using any regular expressions? |
| 15:35.44 | alterego | Is the space actually being out put? |
| 15:36.20 | Tak | yes |
| 15:36.32 | Tak | I've got puts all over the place telling me what the strings actually are, etc |
| 15:36.52 | alterego | Are you outputting every character? |
| 15:37.15 | Tak | currently, I'm appending a string and rerendering the label surface when it changes |
| 15:37.39 | alterego | Right |
| 15:37.49 | alterego | But after a space nothing happens? |
| 15:37.52 | Tak | wtf - if I change the character that key returns to '_' , it works, but with ' ', it's broken |
| 15:38.00 | Tak | after a space, nothing ever happens again |
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| 15:38.17 | Tak | e.g. 'hello maemo' => 'hello' |
| 15:38.44 | alterego | Is that the value of the string as output by puts? |
| 15:38.56 | Tak | no, puts outputs the actual string |
| 15:38.57 | alterego | Just wondering if the label and puts display the same string. |
| 15:39.00 | Tak | no. |
| 15:39.02 | alterego | Okay |
| 15:39.12 | alterego | So there's someting wrong with your label rendering code. |
| 15:39.12 | Tak | puts displays the correct string |
| 15:39.22 | alterego | May I see that part? |
| 15:39.24 | Tak | there must be, but it's not complicated enough for that |
| 15:39.29 | alterego | The bit that updates your label. |
| 15:39.51 | alterego | Maybe it's a problem with ruby-game or whatever .. |
| 15:39.55 | Tak | @background = @font.render_utf8(@text, false, @textcolor) |
| 15:40.07 | Tak | then later, @background.blit() |
| 15:40.34 | alterego | Okay |
| 15:40.58 | Tak | well...rubygame is capable of rendering strings with spaces in them; I tried with a little, barebones demo |
| 15:41.01 | sp3000 | are you wrapping? |
| 15:41.12 | Tak | sp3000: not yet |
| 15:42.57 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 15:43.35 | alterego | Tak, try using just 'render' forget about UTF8 for now. |
| 15:44.19 | alterego | Also, presuming I'm right, try 32.chr instead of ' ' |
| 15:44.36 | alterego | It will help you modularise your keyboard in the future too ;) |
| 15:44.42 | Tak | hah, you think it's interpreting as an int? |
| 15:44.59 | alterego | No |
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| 15:45.24 | Tak | heh, actually the whitespacing is a special case - everything else gets read from a vkb xml |
| 15:45.37 | alterego | I just think 32.chr is better than a load of string "literals" as key tests. |
| 15:45.45 | Tak | same thing with render() |
| 15:45.51 | alterego | :( |
| 15:46.02 | alterego | Weird. |
| 15:46.41 | alterego | And you've done a test case where having a space in a string renders correctly? |
| 15:46.46 | Tak | yes |
| 15:46.59 | alterego | Does the font have a space character? ^+^ |
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| 15:47.11 | alterego | Same font and everything? |
| 15:47.32 | Tak | yeah, same font, same color, same size, same args |
| 15:48.11 | Tak | oh, and so far I can only duplicate on the device :-/ |
| 15:48.33 | Tak | same thing with 32.chr |
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| 15:50.27 | alterego | Weirdness. |
| 15:50.36 | zoran | is it possible to move files from nokia phones, using bt to 770/800? |
| 15:51.04 | |R | it should |
| 15:51.17 | Tak | works with a laptop using bt |
| 15:51.17 | suihkulokki | try before asking? :) |
| 15:51.54 | zoran | I found that on phone I prefer, micro card has some apps, that have to be copied to another, bigger card |
| 15:52.00 | Jaffa | zoran: yes - it should work. For example, you can send to the N800 using Obex, or send from in the File Manager. *May* have only got really useful in IT OS 2007, I remember it wasn't great before, but can't remember at what version that was. |
| 15:52.06 | zoran | and I still don't have the very phone yet |
| 15:53.28 | zoran | gonna try, promise |
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| 15:55.26 | zoran | ah, btxfer |
| 15:55.44 | cosmo_ | any common reasons why would osso_initialize fail? |
| 15:57.38 | zoran | and you will whitewash it again? |
| 15:57.55 | Tak | it'll be like a halloween decoration |
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| 15:58.06 | keesj | lol |
| 15:58.44 | zoran | Jaffa, did you mean having obex server on 770/800, from mulliner.org? |
| 15:59.22 | zoran | or simple btxfer from garage? |
| 16:00.21 | Jaffa | zoran: With IT OS 2007 it's all built-in |
| 16:00.32 | zoran | hm, 2006 |
| 16:00.57 | Jaffa | Hacker Edition is your friend. |
| 16:01.07 | theril | cosmo_: Running without run-standalone.sh is quite common |
| 16:01.30 | zoran | dog is not a friend anymore? |
| 16:02.03 | cosmo_ | theril: that doesn't help :/ |
| 16:03.05 | zoran | Jaffa, what is shown as process, when you do obex data transfer? |
| 16:03.35 | Jaffa | zoran: dunno, I've never checked ps whilst doing it; since it's all GUI based. |
| 16:03.49 | zoran | k, gonna find out already |
| 16:04.15 | zoran | and it is the most fun thing, making things work |
| 16:05.03 | theril | cosmo_: Also if d-bus has been shut down or crashed, it will probably fail |
| 16:06.19 | theril | You can also try to check errno if some lower-level routine fails |
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| 16:32.25 | lopz | hola |
| 16:32.25 | _Monkey | que tal, lopz |
| 16:32.55 | lopz | xD |
| 16:35.27 | Rothiel | bye all |
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| 16:51.04 | |R | what's the stock software to use for videoconf on the n800? |
| 16:51.14 | |R | my friend just got his n800, i have someone to talk too hehe ;P |
| 16:51.17 | |R | to |
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| 16:57.32 | Daniellion | im assuming whent he new os refresh is out.. well be able to use skype video and gtalk video.. with anyone not just other nokia users? |
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| 17:04.36 | alterego | You mean you can't already? |
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| 17:07.52 | Jaffa | alterego: nope |
| 17:08.25 | alterego | Weird. |
| 17:08.31 | alterego | I wonder if that's because of codecs. |
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| 17:28.56 | Tak | interesting - if you subscribe to an event queue, you need to register an additional exception handler |
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| 17:53.30 | ccooke | Hmm |
| 17:54.27 | Tak | depends by whom |
| 17:54.41 | ccooke | always :-) |
| 17:54.44 | Tak | lack of 3d video accel |
| 17:54.57 | gla55 | yep |
| 17:54.58 | Tak | insufficient video bandwidth |
| 17:55.13 | Tak | lack of polished, preinstalled PIM software |
| 17:55.26 | Tak | lack of RHS buttons |
| 17:55.37 | mgedmin | maturity |
| 17:55.49 | mgedmin | compare the quality of OS2005 with 2006 and 2007 |
| 17:55.54 | mgedmin | the progress is incredible |
| 17:56.01 | mgedmin | I can't wait for OS2010 |
| 17:58.26 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 17:58.39 | Jaffa | Unfortunately, sometimes I think I *can't* wait for OS 2010 :( |
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| 18:13.17 | Rask330 | Is there any well-recommended to-do list software for the N800? |
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| 18:15.15 | Jaffa | Nope |
| 18:15.29 | Rask330 | Nuts. :( |
| 18:15.31 | Jaffa | Someone was discussing on ITT about creating a new one. There's GPE Todo but it's a bit... <shrug/> |
| 18:15.36 | Jaffa | It may do what you want. |
| 18:15.51 | Rask330 | Mayhaps I should just keep a text document of stuff I have to do. :) |
| 18:16.49 | alterego | I use yellow notes. |
| 18:16.53 | alterego | Though mine's blue. |
| 18:16.54 | Rask330 | I used to write these things down on scraps of paper, then I graduated to text documents in a folder on my desktop, then I sorta started using my palm... but ultimately, my palm is just a glorified collection of text documents. |
| 18:17.06 | alterego | Rask330, you should check out "yellow notes" |
| 18:17.18 | Rask330 | Is it a program, or are you just referring to post-its? :P |
| 18:17.38 | alterego | Rask330, it's an program. |
| 18:18.09 | Rask330 | Hm. Does it run on a PC or on the N800? |
| 18:18.50 | alterego | N800 |
| 18:19.02 | alterego | We are in Maemo :P I wouldn't have suggested anything else. |
| 18:19.33 | alterego | Yeah, not sure about syncing. |
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| 18:20.08 | dowellconning | Heyas~! |
| 18:20.31 | alterego | Good evening. |
| 18:20.39 | dowellconning | I just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard paired with my 770 and it works fine in Osso-Xterm but in nothing else o_O; |
| 18:20.55 | dowellconning | A good halloween evening to you too n.n |
| 18:21.08 | alterego | I just had a load of kids knock on my door. |
| 18:21.26 | alterego | I wonder if they knew I put laxatives in their candy .. Muahahah |
| 18:21.31 | dowellconning | XD |
| 18:21.41 | dowellconning | I'm sure they'll find out soon enough |
| 18:21.55 | alterego | Yes, that's at least 5 children not going to school tomorrow. |
| 18:22.10 | Jaffa | alterego: truly a scary evening. |
| 18:22.12 | alterego | I guess I did them a favour. |
| 18:22.26 | Daniellion | giggles |
| 18:22.31 | dowellconning | I was wondering if anyone knew how to get the Maemo environment to recognize this keyboard, seeing as Xterm and the rest of the OS seems to x_x; |
| 18:22.36 | Tak | alterego: You could label them "Skiving Snackboxes" and they'd eat them on purpose |
| 18:22.44 | alterego | :) |
| 18:22.55 | Jaffa | I can hear lots of shouting and squealing outside (good that it's not the surly teenagers), but only had next door's kids knock on my door (possibly due to me being the only one in and so not having many lights on) |
| 18:23.05 | alterego | I didn't really spike their candy. That'd be too cruel. Even for me, and even for me on halloween ^_^ |
| 18:23.11 | Jaffa | dowellconning: if you start a new app, such as Notes, does that work? |
| 18:23.31 | dowellconning | No it doesn't :| |
| 18:23.36 | Jaffa | Odd. |
| 18:23.41 | dowellconning | It only works in Xterm :| |
| 18:24.05 | dowellconning | I connected it using hidd --connect (I needed to turn on encryption in the conf too) |
| 18:24.28 | Jaffa | Did you then do the hildon-input-method thing? |
| 18:24.50 | dowellconning | I did not o.o; |
| 18:24.57 | Jaffa | That'll be it then. |
| 18:25.08 | dowellconning | I have no experience with maemo tbh <_<;; I'm a OS X hacker :P |
| 18:25.22 | dowellconning | Thanks a lot Jaffa |
| 18:25.22 | Jaffa | The desktop needs to be told about the input method switch. ISTR it's `hildon-input-method ...', but can't remember the details. |
| 18:25.25 | Jaffa | No probs |
| 18:26.15 | dowellconning | Brb~ |
| 18:29.23 | dowellconning | This looks very complex o.o; |
| 18:30.20 | alterego | By OS X hacker do you mean web app designer? ^_^ |
| 18:30.36 | dowellconning | XD |
| 18:30.45 | dowellconning | No no. |
| 18:31.10 | dowellconning | I mess with the OS X kernel and stuff n.n |
| 18:31.19 | alterego | I didn't realise you could do that. |
| 18:31.27 | alterego | I thought the kernel was a closed source BSD kernel. |
| 18:31.28 | dowellconning | Yesh, it's open source =D |
| 18:31.31 | dowellconning | Nuu |
| 18:31.39 | alterego | Cool. |
| 18:33.04 | dowellconning | http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ |
| 18:33.27 | ||cw | some of the drivers are not open though right? |
| 18:33.29 | alterego | Well, I don't have a Mac. |
| 18:33.43 | ||cw | you can run darwin on anything |
| 18:33.45 | dowellconning | But I don't have one of those iPhone majiggies, they don't do essentially anything I would want one for. |
| 18:33.49 | alterego | Not ever likely to get one either. |
| 18:34.09 | alterego | Not until they are more value for money. Though, the mini's are quite cool. I might get one of those some time. |
| 18:35.39 | dowellconning | So do I need to write my own input plugin to make this work or should it be much more simple than that? |
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| 18:36.15 | dowellconning | I'm looking at this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html |
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| 18:40.56 | lopz | re |
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| 18:47.55 | n800newuser | hello, iam a fresh n800 owner, what pim /calender tools do you suggest? |
| 18:48.33 | |R | uhm, i heard about GPE, haven't tried any pim though... |
| 18:50.39 | n800newuser | a tablet pc without a default calender application, from nokia ... i could not believe that |
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| 18:51.40 | Tak | it's not really meant to be a PIM device |
| 18:51.43 | n800newuser | the gpe apps at http://downloads.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ have not been updated since jan.2006 |
| 18:51.56 | n800newuser | i can not believe that works well on os 2007 |
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| 18:55.30 | lauti | hi, is it advisable to upgrade to os2007 hacker edition on the 770? any drawbacks? or just advantages? |
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| 18:57.04 | Jaffa | n800newuser: Graham Cobb's building regular up-to-date GPE packages. |
| 18:57.29 | Jaffa | n800newuser: http://www.cobb.uk.net/770/#gpe |
| 18:59.14 | lauti | no comment? |
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| 19:00.08 | Jaffa | lauti: I guess there are disadvantages, otherwise it would be used by everyone. |
| 19:00.52 | lauti | Jaffa: read somewhere there were actually no drawbacks... |
| 19:01.19 | Jaffa | Oh? |
| 19:01.46 | lauti | Jaffa: i am particularily interested in an update of opera since it crashes by any chance |
| 19:01.52 | Tak | lauti: I'm using 2007HE |
| 19:02.04 | Tak | it uses the same browser engine as os2006, though |
| 19:02.15 | lauti | Tak: and you are satisfied with it? |
| 19:02.27 | Tak | for the most part, yes |
| 19:02.57 | Tak | I have been having reboot-loop issues, but I suspect it's from software I installed |
| 19:03.03 | lauti | any hint how to get opera more stabie? |
| 19:03.20 | Tak | have you enabled swap? |
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| 19:03.45 | lauti | no clue... did not touch it... all on default |
| 19:04.43 | MiguelAugusto | does anyone know how to switch the sound output from headphone to loudspeaker in the N800 even when the headphone is connected? |
| 19:05.10 | keesj | now I have gmail-imap I am ready to start trying out claws a little more |
| 19:05.13 | Tak | I recommend enabling the largest possible amount of swap, from AppsMenu -> Tools -> Control Panel -> Memory |
| 19:05.33 | Tak | is the code for the fmradio app open? |
| 19:06.18 | lauti | Tak: ok, thx |
| 19:06.37 | MiguelAugusto | Tak, no, its not =/ |
| 19:06.57 | MiguelAugusto | Tak, that's the problem :P |
| 19:07.15 | Tak | hah |
| 19:07.23 | keesj | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1614 "programs are less likely to crash" |
| 19:07.34 | keesj | (about seatbelt) |
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| 19:08.34 | |R | why would they close the fmradio program? |
| 19:08.39 | MiguelAugusto | Tak, do you have any idea how could I do that? |
| 19:08.52 | |R | it's not like it's advanced technology that would give them a secret advantage ;) |
| 19:09.19 | Tak | MiguelAugusto: sorry, I don't |
| 19:09.42 | Tak | my guess: it would divulge proprietary information about the fm radio chip |
| 19:09.51 | keesj | I think that all such apps are close (the apps that come with documentation and slick looks) |
| 19:09.55 | MiguelAugusto | Tak, no problem, thanks any way =D |
| 19:10.01 | Tak | de nada |
| 19:10.15 | keesj | I guess its not created inside the osso dep |
| 19:12.35 | keesj | the news archive on maemo.org should really be longer |
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| 19:33.50 | dowellconning | Does anyone know how to stop Osso-Xterm from doing weird [] [] type things when I press Backspace? |
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| 19:35.37 | dowellconning | Also I haven't quite sorted out this hildon-input-method thing :| |
| 19:36.28 | dowellconning | I just want to switch the input method to an external bluetooth keyboard. |
| 19:37.21 | dowellconning | Grr~ X3 |
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| 19:43.42 | dowellconning | Wait >_<; It's kinda working :| When I hit F10 It comes up with a menu where I can select Osso Input Method however I still cannot type in Notes or the web browser |
| 19:44.17 | keesj | dowellconning: are you using it2007 /n800? |
| 19:44.32 | dowellconning | I don't believe so |
| 19:44.39 | keesj | 770? |
| 19:44.43 | dowellconning | It's a N770 with the default OSA |
| 19:44.46 | dowellconning | *OS |
| 19:45.23 | keesj | on that case you need to run some command line tool to switch the input method |
| 19:45.44 | keesj | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard |
| 19:45.55 | dowellconning | Oooh thankies =D |
| 19:46.08 | keesj | something like maemo-gtk-im-switch xim |
| 19:46.18 | dowellconning | It works in Osso-Xterm but only as menu thingies in the rest of the system |
| 19:46.34 | dowellconning | I connected it manually using hidd --conect |
| 19:46.37 | dowellconning | *connect |
| 19:53.47 | fysafysa | Now that we have host mode sort of working.. |
| 19:53.52 | fysafysa | http://sewelldirect.com/USB-to-DVI-Adapter.asp |
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| 19:55.27 | dowellconning | o_____O; Somehow it fixed itself! |
| 19:55.33 | dowellconning | I have no idea how though XD |
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| 20:00.24 | tko | keesj: we're not installing maemo-gtk-im-switch anymore |
| 20:00.35 | tko | in chinook that is |
| 20:00.40 | tko | it was trivial anyway |
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| 20:02.05 | skibur_ | I just bought an N800 |
| 20:04.58 | dowellconning | Does anyone know if there are keyboard shortcuts to bring up the applications menu? |
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| 20:06.03 | dowellconning | XD Thats epic |
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| 20:08.51 | skibur_ | hum... 16GB or 2GB? |
| 20:08.59 | skibur_ | ah, N800 :P wins |
| 20:18.15 | dowellconning | Wow~ I officially love my 770 now *swoons* |
| 20:19.44 | skibur_ | ? |
| 20:20.36 | dowellconning | Apple wireless keyboard + 770 + Xchat = IRC anywhere =D |
| 20:20.42 | dowellconning | Also Perl built in |
| 20:21.05 | Tak | don't forget about ruby ;-) |
| 20:21.30 | Rask330 | ITOS has perl available? |
| 20:21.37 | Rask330 | I thought all the fuss was about Python. |
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| 20:24.19 | dowellconning | I like Ruby, but then I think I may have been influenced by Why's guide to Ruby X3 |
| 20:27.57 | alterego | Ruby is the language of the Gods. |
| 20:28.04 | fysakk | i want the cursor rocker 'click' for keyboard presses. |
| 20:28.37 | dowellconning | Is there a way to close a window that doesn't have a close window button in maemo? |
| 20:28.52 | alterego | dowellconning, how on earth did you manage that one? |
| 20:29.11 | dowellconning | XChat's utility windows don't have close buttons :< |
| 20:29.12 | alterego | dowellconning, press the task navigator menu button, and next to the program there's a close window button |
| 20:29.15 | ||cw | re language of the gods http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 20:29.20 | alterego | Oh, you can't close dialogs. |
| 20:29.24 | Rask330 | fysakk: Really? It would seem like that would get annoying before long. |
| 20:29.46 | alterego | re? |
| 20:29.52 | dowellconning | alterego: Is there a way to do it? |
| 20:30.05 | alterego | Press the "Cancel" button? |
| 20:30.24 | dowellconning | There is none o_o |
| 20:30.27 | alterego | :/ |
| 20:30.34 | alterego | You could close XChat |
| 20:31.01 | dowellconning | I know, but I'm going to want to open this dialog often... it's the URL grabber one |
| 20:31.32 | alterego | Well, I don't use XChat on Maemo, I would love to but there is a lot of UI tweaks needed. |
| 20:31.46 | Tak | the maemo-xchat build is pretty nice |
| 20:31.47 | alterego | I just use pidgin for all my communicative needs. |
| 20:32.05 | alterego | Tak, it is, it's just there are certain dialogs that are too big for the screen. |
| 20:32.22 | dowellconning | Is there a better choice of IRC client without going to CLI? |
| 20:32.41 | Tak | alterego: most of those have been resized and/or scrollpaned in maemo-xchat |
| 20:33.03 | dowellconning | Tak: Is there a way to close the dialogs? |
| 20:33.25 | Tak | they should all have a close button |
| 20:33.35 | dowellconning | URL Grabber doesn't seem to :| |
| 20:33.52 | Rask330 | dowellconning: If you have an external keyboard, you could try ctrl-F4... |
| 20:34.17 | dowellconning | Rask330: I am and I tried that :| |
| 20:34.19 | Tak | you're using http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat/ , correct? |
| 20:34.29 | alterego | I thought it was ALT-F4 |
| 20:35.02 | dowellconning | Neither work |
| 20:35.12 | Rask330 | alterego: It usually is. For some reason, though, the default shortcut in maemo is ctrl-F4. |
| 20:35.37 | dowellconning | Tak: I beleive so o.o; There is a chance I got it from a repository though |
| 20:35.49 | skibur_ | anybody have OS2008 on there N800? |
| 20:36.06 | alterego | Interesting |
| 20:36.15 | alterego | skibur_, it's not out yet. |
| 20:36.26 | Tak | there was a build of xchat where the dialogs all ran off the screen, etc |
| 20:36.43 | dowellconning | I'll try downloading the version from that link though |
| 20:37.02 | skibur_ | o ok |
| 20:38.27 | dowellconning | Oh actually, will I have OS 2007 installed? o.o; |
| 20:38.38 | dowellconning | I have the default OS on a 770 |
| 20:38.50 | dowellconning | That I bought about a week ago |
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| 20:39.26 | dowellconning | Or is there some way I can check? |
| 20:42.22 | dowellconning | No it said it was unable to install :| |
| 20:43.25 | dowellconning | But I have Xchat version 2.6.4-2 |
| 20:43.38 | skibur_ | is the N800 bigger than the Nintendo DS? |
| 20:44.57 | dowellconning | It's as big as Xbox |
| 20:45.04 | ||cw | heh |
| 20:45.19 | ||cw | the size should be on the spec |
| 20:49.10 | alterego | Yes, as big as the xbox, when it's compacted by a garbage truck. |
| 20:49.33 | davis | i have a nokia n770 |
| 20:49.40 | alterego | Someone should invent a shrink ray, then they could make devices as small as they wanted. |
| 20:49.46 | davis | its a little smaller than a hp calculator. |
| 20:50.17 | davis | it easily fits inside my pants pocket. too big for a shirt pocket. |
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| 20:51.50 | davis | "I don't want to boil the ocean, but I would take baby steps before we spread the gospel" |
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| 20:55.51 | dowellconning | Does anyone know how I can get Irssi onto my 770? As Xchat is being very silly :| |
| 20:56.25 | Tak | dowellconning: remove the old xchat, install the new xchat? |
| 20:56.44 | dowellconning | I have to remove the old one first? |
| 20:57.28 | Tak | you may - I think the packages probably conflict |
| 20:57.35 | dowellconning | Okay I'm trying that now |
| 20:58.51 | dowellconning | Wow, yes that worked, now to see if that dialog is fixed =D |
| 20:58.55 | dowellconning | Thankies |
| 20:59.13 | Tak | np |
| 21:00.30 | dowellconning | o_o; I can't type # XD |
| 21:00.52 | dowellconning | Oh wait American layout |
| 21:00.58 | dowellconning | Shift and 3 =D |
| 21:01.28 | dowellconning | Awesome =D Thanks Tak that works perfectly n.n |
| 21:01.44 | Tak | cool |
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| 21:09.18 | keesj | we should start to educate people to not talk about hardware versions but os versions |
| 21:12.29 | dowellconning | I would love to talk about my OS version, if only I knew what it was o_o; |
| 21:12.49 | keesj | dowellconning: if you feel lucky try http://www.keesj.dds.nl/irssi_0.8.12_armel.deb |
| 21:13.10 | keesj | and if you want to make me happy tell me if it works :) |
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| 21:45.04 | dowellconning | Downloading now n.n |
| 21:46.00 | dowellconning | I think I will keep using XChat for most things now that it is working |
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| 21:46.24 | dowellconning | where does irssi install to? |
| 21:46.33 | dowellconning | I don't get anything at the prompt |
| 21:46.57 | dowellconning | oh wait XD |
| 21:47.04 | dowellconning | I am ssh'd into my iMac lol! |
| 21:47.45 | dowellconning | keesj: It works perfectly =D |
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| 21:59.16 | keesj | dowellconning: ok thanks |
| 21:59.25 | dowellconning | Your very welcome |
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| 22:13.25 | Jaffa | keesj: is that built from the newly updated mud package? ;-) |
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| 22:31.35 | dowellconning | How does one determine your OS version? |
| 22:33.57 | Jaffa | There's got to be a better way of doing software development for Maemo than all these massive 50MB tarballs - just for Scratchbox (he says, as he installs Chinook on yet-another-machine) |
| 22:35.04 | gla55 | 50mb for sdk environment doesnt sound bad |
| 22:35.21 | suihkulokki | Jaffa: it's called sb2 ;) |
| 22:35.25 | gla55 | some fuckin j2me emulators are in that league |
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| 22:39.45 | Jaffa | gla55: no, there's about 8 50MB bundles |
| 22:40.09 | Jaffa | suihkulokki: trouble is, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on how to use Sb2 for Maemo dev - if it's even possible. |
| 22:42.41 | db48x | it wasn't possible the last time I checked, but mostly because it didn't work on 64bit linux |
| 22:43.02 | alterego | http://rubyx.co.uk:3000/home - I designed this one with the tablet in mind ^_^ |
| 22:43.05 | db48x | maybe that's been fixed in the mean time |
| 22:43.26 | db48x | even so you'd still have to install maemo on it, which might be non-trivial |
| 22:44.17 | Jaffa | alterego: nice design, but fixed width? how 1999. |
| 22:44.17 | timeless | db48x: vmware :) |
| 22:44.25 | timeless | or something |
| 22:44.30 | Jaffa | timeless: how many OSes do I want installed on one machine? ;-) |
| 22:44.31 | alterego | Jaffa, there's nothing wrong with fixed width :P |
| 22:44.36 | db48x | timeless: yea, especially since I ended up having to use vmware anyway |
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| 22:44.39 | timeless | you can vmware a 32bit linux, right? |
| 22:44.50 | Jaffa | alterego: there's lots wrong with fixed width... but I'm going to bed now ;-) |
| 22:44.53 | Jaffa | timeless: yup |
| 22:44.54 | nwidger | has nokia announced the release date for the nokia 810? |
| 22:44.57 | alterego | In your mind .. |
| 22:45.08 | Jaffa | nwidger: "mid November". |
| 22:45.14 | alterego | Some designs have to be built like that. |
| 22:45.20 | timeless | nwidger: i think the announcement was "before 1/1/2008" :) |
| 22:45.25 | nwidger | Jaffa: nothing more specific than that? |
| 22:45.29 | nwidger | ah okay... |
| 22:45.39 | nwidger | but i want one! :P |
| 22:45.47 | timeless | you can't preorder? |
| 22:45.58 | nwidger | i dunno, can you? |
| 22:46.03 | timeless | dunno |
| 22:46.05 | nwidger | hm. |
| 22:46.15 | nwidger | if you can... that would be a smart thing to do |
| 22:46.40 | dowellconning | My Mum says thanks for noticing alterego =3 |
| 22:46.55 | alterego | dowellconning, :) |
| 22:47.01 | timeless | if you can't, that would be the nokia hting not to offer :( |
| 22:47.58 | nwidger | timeless: haha |
| 22:48.01 | Jaffa | alterego: So, my partially sighted friend bumps up the font size a little in his nice big browser window and sees: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/rubyx.png |
| 22:48.24 | Jaffa | alterego: or, you say you designed it for the tablet, but if the browser window's not fullscreen, you'll get scrolling. |
| 22:48.50 | alterego | or? |
| 22:48.51 | _Monkey | i guess or is the libxrandr just the client side library? |
| 22:49.01 | alterego | Who browses on the tablet without full screen? |
| 22:49.11 | alterego | Who zooms in far enough to break the design? |
| 22:49.26 | sciboy | Someone with bad vision? |
| 22:49.32 | alterego | I'm not ignorant to these issues but CSS isn't perfect and sometimes you have to work around that. |
| 22:49.46 | alterego | People that find it hard to read should turn of CSS completely. |
| 22:49.46 | Jaffa | 1) I browse regularly full screen for quick checks of information because the redraw speed for moving from fullscreen and back again is too painful. |
| 22:50.15 | Jaffa | Why? Because the designer can't be arsed to do it properly? |
| 22:51.07 | Jaffa | CSS isn't perfect by a *loooong* shot; however I've yet to see a visual design which couldn't be implemented in a fluid layout, it's just the designer's stubbornness on having it pixel "perfect" (as if that's achievable with HTML) means it's fixed width. |
| 22:51.07 | alterego | The problems that your capture show are fixed anyhow. |
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| 22:51.41 | alterego | Well, except the backgrounds, but I'll redo the tiles later. |
| 22:51.50 | Jaffa | You can't fix having 4 words on a line without losing fixed width. |
| 22:52.03 | Jaffa | Anyway, I'm not your boss - it's your website, do what you like :-) |
| 22:52.10 | Jaffa | Personally, I quite fancy getting some sleep... |
| 22:52.12 | Jaffa | g'night |
| 22:52.36 | alterego | O_o |
| 22:52.47 | alterego | What's wrong with being pixel perfect .. |
| 22:53.14 | alterego | You're one of those "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folk aren't you?!" :P |
| 22:53.38 | db48x | the expectation that your design will remain exactly the same across all viewers and devices |
| 22:54.01 | Jaffa | No, I'm just a pragmatist. You should design to the technical limitations of the medium. The web can't be pixel perfect without having a big image. You're too dependent on colour depths, installed fonts, zoom levels, screen size, configuration, OS etc. |
| 22:54.09 | db48x | rather than taking a little extra time and effort to make it look good on all viewers and devices, rather than exactly the same but broken |
| 22:54.32 | alterego | I check on all common browsers. |
| 22:54.38 | alterego | Edge cases just have to make do. |
| 22:54.43 | db48x | but anyway, how has scratchbox2 progressed in the last few months |
| 22:55.04 | Jaffa | For example, one of our fixed widths at work looked lovely on our user's 1024x768 displays - all Windows, all maximised browser windows, with no vertical scrolling even. Lovely. But then loads of people had their windows taskbars at the side of the screen, so we ended up with horizontal scrolling rather than vertical, and it looked shoddy. |
| 22:55.35 | alterego | That's your fault for making such a wide site .. |
| 22:56.00 | alterego | I say "your fault" I obviously don't mean _your_ fault :P |
| 22:56.02 | Jaffa | I'll take the "your" to be the "your company" rather than a first-person personal pronoun ;-) |
| 22:56.08 | alterego | ;) |
| 22:56.21 | Jaffa | My point is that every fixed width design is too wide for some display. Or too narrow. Or just too *fixed*. |
| 22:56.28 | derf | The vast majority of the time my browser windows are 800x600 or smaller. |
| 22:56.36 | db48x | yea, but the point is that you can't pick any size that will be ok on all screens |
| 22:56.52 | db48x | and window arrangements |
| 22:56.54 | alterego | Same for mine. |
| 22:56.59 | alterego | I think that layout looks good. |
| 22:57.15 | db48x | so you should make a design that can cope with all of them, or as wide a selection of them as possible |
| 22:57.16 | alterego | Once I create the proper background tiles .. |
| 22:57.23 | dowellconning | Having a 360* scroll ball on the Apple mouse made me stop making my windows fit webpages |
| 22:57.30 | Jaffa | I think that layout looks fine. But it could be a variable-width and look identical in your browser, but also look good on 480x320 screen. |
| 22:57.42 | alterego | Rubbish |
| 22:58.01 | alterego | Variable width wouldn't be able to place those view panels the way they are and resize correctly. |
| 22:58.06 | dowellconning | So my browser window is normally about 600 width 1000 height |
| 22:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | dowellconning, that's great, until that little scroll nipple gets filled with gunk and stops functioning. |
| 22:58.24 | Jaffa | alterego: they don't resize now, so any resizing would be an improvement ;-) |
| 22:58.31 | alterego | In your opinion. |
| 22:58.42 | dowellconning | So true GA |
| 22:59.05 | alterego | IF you're going to view a site with a 480 width resolution then you should expect it to have problems. |
| 22:59.07 | Jaffa | alterego: for our non-hypothetical partially sited user, or our user on a non-maximised tablet, or ... |
| 22:59.43 | alterego | Not even the maemo website works non-fullscreen .. |
| 22:59.56 | Jaffa | Anyway, I *guarantee* I could reproduce that design such that it looked identical in your browser, but scaled adequately within a realistic manner from about 480px wide up to 1600px wide. |
| 23:00.06 | alterego | I understand exactly where you're coming from. |
| 23:00.53 | alterego | But until CSS allows me to place to floating divs next to each other, where I can specify a percentage width for each and margin. Which doesn't break when the zoom levels are changed I'm not going to bother. |
| 23:01.08 | alterego | I use resizable designs often. But not exclusively. |
| 23:01.08 | Jaffa | But your design breaks when zoom levels change anyway! |
| 23:01.13 | alterego | No it doesn't. |
| 23:01.19 | alterego | How does it break? |
| 23:01.35 | Jaffa | You get 4 words to a line with a couple of steps of zoom. That's not exactly readable. |
| 23:01.48 | alterego | It's perfectly readable. |
| 23:01.50 | dowellconning | An argument? Over web-standards? How novel! *Monocle* |
| 23:02.02 | alterego | Maybe because it's lipsum .. |
| 23:02.13 | Jaffa | Your nav bar starts clashing elements, despite there still being lots of space left in my browser window... |
| 23:02.19 | alterego | I have trouble reading it at any zoom level. |
| 23:02.40 | alterego | Yeah, that's bound to happen. |
| 23:03.00 | alterego | Anyhow, I actually do plan on making the design more fluid. |
| 23:03.21 | alterego | The reason it isn't now is because the original design had a background image that was of those dimensions. |
| 23:03.38 | alterego | But I couldn't get the image to look right so I scraped that design and did the one that you just saw. |
| 23:04.09 | alterego | And the fixed dimensions are more of a side effect from the first design :P |
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| 23:18.49 | p|_ | is possible to use a bluetooth |
| 23:18.50 | p|_ | |
| 23:18.50 | p|_ | Headset |
| 23:18.57 | p|_ | with nokia n800 ? |
| 23:19.09 | p|_ | (to use with voip etc...) |
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| 23:21.39 | sciboy | Oh alterego, forgot to mention that blender does have some paint tools for textures and such, might be fun to play with all that on Maemo |
| 23:22.18 | alterego | I've used blender a fair amount. |
| 23:22.23 | alterego | Just not the engine. |
| 23:22.42 | sciboy | Really? What kinda stuff have you done in it? |
| 23:25.57 | alterego | Nothing serious, I was writing my own game engine a while back and I was using it to model weapons etc. |
| 23:26.40 | alterego | Got 90% through doing a very detailed Berretta 92FS and my computer died and I lost all the data. |
| 23:26.59 | alterego | Needless to say, now I perform backups very regularly. |
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| 23:27.23 | alterego | Hmm .. Another bug in microbe |
| 23:28.43 | zerojay | What bug is that? |
| 23:29.06 | alterego | It screwing up the background on my layout :/ |
| 23:29.23 | sciboy | 2008 or 2007? |
| 23:29.24 | _Monkey | 2015 |
| 23:29.48 | alterego | sciboy, how many times are we going to have to tell you it's not out yet? |
| 23:29.54 | alterego | By we I mean me |
| 23:30.02 | alterego | I don't care about the others saying it :P |
| 23:30.19 | sciboy | I don't know if you were one of the people who got their hands on the N810 |
| 23:30.58 | alterego | I know of 3 people that got one other than Nokia workers. |
| 23:31.12 | zerojay | The blogging trio. |
| 23:31.15 | alterego | And I don't think any of those three come in here .. |
| 23:31.23 | alterego | Yes |
| 23:32.51 | sciboy | Well I've been holding off on a couple of bugs until 2008 comes round and I can confirm they're still valid. |
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| 23:38.34 | alterego | There, fluid layout :) |
| 23:40.29 | sciboy | alterego, I do 2D animation in Blender for the most part. |
| 23:40.47 | sciboy | Sculpting and modelling for fun, but rarely anything serious. |
| 23:41.00 | alterego | Yah, same kind of thing with me really. |
| 23:41.05 | alterego | I find modelling relaxing. |
| 23:41.17 | alterego | I guess now I find coding quite relaxing I don't need to model. |
| 23:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Modeling is so zen. |
| 23:42.03 | sciboy | My main way to relax is doodling in any medium and animating. |
| 23:42.31 | zerojay | alterego: I was looking at your examples and I noticed a problem with one. |
| 23:42.40 | alterego | zerojay, yes? |
| 23:42.44 | sciboy | I pretty much just drop down random lines or colours and play with it for as long as I want, in the end it usually turns into some wierd creature. |
| 23:42.47 | alterego | There are probably many ;) |
| 23:42.52 | zerojay | alterego: Let me find which it was... |
| 23:43.03 | alterego | My examples are all really bad. |
| 23:43.31 | alterego | I just blurted them out whilst testing bits of the API and just wanted to show how to use certain things. They're very poorly designed. |
| 23:43.33 | svenn800 | Does the cam work with skype? |
| 23:43.41 | zerojay | svenn800: No. |
| 23:43.45 | alterego | Infact, they're just scripts. I wouldn't even call them programs ;) |
| 23:44.04 | zerojay | alterego: Okay.. hildon_banner.rb... |
| 23:44.15 | zerojay | The information banner doesn't work and causes it to die. ;P |
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| 23:44.41 | zerojay | button.signal_connect("clicked") do |
| 23:44.41 | zerojay | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.41 | zerojay | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.41 | zerojay | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.44 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 23:44.53 | zerojay | banner.show_all appears to be the problem. |
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| 23:45.29 | zerojay | I dont' remember what the actual error was but I believe it's something like show_all doesn't exist. |
| 23:45.40 | alterego | Ah, you're using OS2007 .. |
| 23:45.46 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 23:45.47 | alterego | Damnit. |
| 23:45.54 | alterego | Sorry, my fault. |
| 23:46.24 | alterego | maemo3 'banner_show_information' doesn't return anything. maemo4 returns a HildonBanner .. |
| 23:46.34 | zerojay | No biggie. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or not. ;) |
| 23:46.40 | alterego | Regardless, that "show_all" shouldn't be there. |
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| 23:47.47 | alterego | zerojay, thanks for the heads up though. Fixed the example now ;) |
| 23:47.53 | alterego | Keep the feedback coming. |
| 23:48.03 | zerojay | Anyways, Ruby looks really good for Maemo. You've done a good job as far as I can tell. :) |
| 23:48.15 | alterego | zerojay, thank you for saying so. |
| 23:48.34 | alterego | I've put a lot of effort into it. |
| 23:48.58 | alterego | Though I've been sloppy with the documentation and testing. |
| 23:49.13 | alterego | I'd imagine there are ~10 faults in it somewhere. |
| 23:49.30 | *** join/#maemo skibur_ (n=chatzill@12.197.204.137) |
| 23:49.55 | alterego | That's why I've not officially announced it on the developers list. I was planning on doing some testing this weekend and release it properly in sync with OS2008/N810 |
| 23:50.39 | alterego | So it'll probably be updated about once a week until I feel it's stable and I've added the other bindings I want to do before 1.0 |
| 23:50.51 | zerojay | Well, you've gotten me interested in screwing around with Ruby, so it can't be that bad. ;) |
| 23:50.57 | alterego | :) |
| 23:51.14 | alterego | Well, I'm glad. Please do and tell me about all the wonderful bugs you find :D |
| 23:51.25 | zerojay | Will do, sir. |
