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| 00:19.22 | edt | how do you repair a gstreamer install that is messed up? most video will no longer play here (stuff mplayer handles works ok) |
| 00:21.02 | edt | I get media codex not supported for video I know work previously |
| 00:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for 2008 and reflash? |
| 00:21.30 | edt | the idea is NOT to have to reinstall |
| 00:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you're going to _have to_ reinstall when OS2008 comes out |
| 00:21.46 | edt | I know that will fix things but its LOTS of work to rebuild my setup |
| 00:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | so you could just wait. |
| 00:21.57 | edt | and I want to know what broke THIS setup |
| 00:22.07 | edt | I will but 2008 in a second partn |
| 00:22.32 | edt | but want a working 2007.38 to fall back to which 2008 stabilizes |
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| 00:23.41 | edt | I have tried reinstalling gst-plugins-farsight gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gstreamer0.10-id3lib-osso streamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra libgst0.10-dsp |
| 00:23.45 | edt | with no luck |
| 00:24.28 | edt | I have found gstreamer to be a VERY fussy infra on other distributions |
| 00:24.33 | edt | guess it is here too |
| 00:25.28 | edt | the -osso libraries do not seem to be packaged (if they are what is the repo?) |
| 00:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | What did you do to break it in the first place? |
| 00:27.51 | edt | If I knew that fixing would be much easier <grin>. I just tried video after about a week without and they started give codex failed messages |
| 00:28.28 | edt | sorry 'codex not supported'. This is after they are buffered and just as they would normally begin to play |
| 00:29.32 | edt | there were probably a few apps installed and updated done between the sucessful and unsucessful attempts to play video |
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| 02:17.54 | trevarthan | I want to use my n800 as a mouse/keyboard for my mythtv box. Is that currently possible? |
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| 02:18.32 | NeoStrider | trevarthan: I guess so |
| 02:18.37 | NeoStrider | vnc hehhe |
| 02:18.55 | trevarthan | mmm |
| 02:19.11 | trevarthan | I was thinking more along the lines of synergy |
| 02:19.33 | trevarthan | but actually a cross between synergy and vnc would be more appropriate, I think. |
| 02:20.46 | trevarthan | I'd like the n800's touch screen to act like a synaptic touch pad. i.e. not absolute screen position, but relative. |
| 02:20.53 | NeoStrider | DIY, man! |
| 02:21.06 | trevarthan | yeah. I might. just thinking aloud. |
| 02:21.58 | disq | yeah. diy. then share. make it act as a bluetooth touchpad |
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| 02:29.00 | trevarthan | ooooooooh. bluetooth. that would be WICKED cool. |
| 02:29.11 | trevarthan | way beyond me. :) but wicked cool all the same. |
| 02:30.18 | trevarthan | What might not be beyond me is a frontend for synergy. |
| 02:30.27 | disq | there's quicksynergy |
| 02:34.56 | trevarthan | looks like synergy already has support for relative mouse movements, so maybe all it needs is an easy setup GUI |
| 02:35.24 | trevarthan | I'll take a look later. too many cool projects to work on. |
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| 03:08.06 | trevarthan | ummmm... where can I find synergy? |
| 03:08.07 | _Monkey | synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb |
| 03:08.17 | trevarthan | ah. danke. |
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| 03:34.54 | Rask330 | Hmmm. I don't suppose that any of you know anything about hacking motorola phones? ^^; |
| 03:35.01 | Rask330 | 'Cos I think I just fecked mine up. |
| 03:41.55 | trevarthan | quicksynergy rocks |
| 03:42.03 | |R | :) |
| 03:42.12 | |R | got a mouse pointer showing up? |
| 03:42.16 | trevarthan | why the F aren't those packages in the main repo? |
| 03:42.37 | trevarthan | no, but I'm using my wireless USB keyboard with my tablet. that's cool |
| 03:42.48 | |R | yeah, my main complain is that packages are all over the place... we need a debian-maemo or something ;) |
| 03:43.00 | |R | hehe |
| 03:43.22 | trevarthan | those packages just need to be repackaged for bora and we'd be ok. |
| 03:43.33 | trevarthan | you gotta dpkg -i to install them currently. |
| 03:43.37 | |R | yep |
| 03:43.47 | |R | (Actually i've installed most things that way :P) |
| 03:44.16 | trevarthan | I want to use my tablet as a synaptic touch pad (relative mouse movement pad, like on a laptop) |
| 03:44.52 | |R | that would be cool :) |
| 03:45.37 | |R | Right now i have one (or maybe two) problems... getting rtcomm to go over my ssh -w (tunnel) and two (if it's needed) to get NAT working to nat the destination so it would work ;) |
| 03:46.06 | |R | maximCT got it working 4-5 days ago and i haven't heard about him since :( |
| 03:46.08 | trevarthan | mmmm. my problem with rtcomm is that it is non-asterisk compliant. that's gay. |
| 03:46.23 | |R | what do you mean by non-asterisk? |
| 03:46.36 | trevarthan | fails to re-register. |
| 03:46.46 | trevarthan | Asterisk as in the PBX. |
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| 03:47.14 | |R | oh, even with the option of registration frequency or ... can't remember the name? |
| 03:47.25 | |R | i got it connecting to my asterisk but didn't test it long enougth yet for that :) |
| 03:47.43 | trevarthan | yeah. it's fubar. I talked to the devs, ran their tests, and even submitted a bug in their tracker. |
| 03:47.50 | |R | Keep-alive frequency |
| 03:48.01 | |R | ok |
| 03:48.09 | trevarthan | no luck though. it's a bug in the sofia-SIP stack, so they have to get it fixed upstream. |
| 03:48.11 | |R | Anyone commented on OS2008/rtcomm yet? |
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| 03:48.25 | trevarthan | haven't heard anything, no. |
| 03:48.42 | |R | it doesn't support md5secret= either :/ |
| 03:49.03 | trevarthan | lots of unsupported fields, I think. |
| 03:49.16 | trevarthan | kinda minimalistic. |
| 03:49.26 | |R | yeah... |
| 03:49.52 | |R | well, at least it works if needed quickly, i'll have to run more test though... re-registration makes it dies when not in conversations? |
| 03:49.55 | |R | or even when talking? |
| 03:52.28 | trevarthan | even when talking |
| 03:52.32 | trevarthan | no |
| 03:52.39 | trevarthan | yeah, just when idle |
| 03:53.04 | trevarthan | you can always make calls, but you can't receive them after the re-register timeout. |
| 03:53.09 | |R | ok |
| 03:53.44 | |R | i dont get what is the authentication user name / password in the advanced options... |
| 03:54.56 | straind | Anyone running gnumeric successfully? |
| 03:55.20 | trevarthan | |R: for the proxy maybe? I don't get it either. |
| 03:56.03 | |R | trevarthan : how long before it times out usually? (I just connected to see...) |
| 03:56.12 | |R | (with a keep-alive of 1) |
| 03:59.48 | trevarthan | |R: it'll timeout in like 1 second I think. |
| 03:59.59 | trevarthan | I think the default is 60 seconds. not sure. |
| 04:00.18 | |R | so you can never get calls?! |
| 04:03.59 | trevarthan | set the timeout arbitrarily high, like 120s |
| 04:04.21 | trevarthan | I need this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/xkbd-bthid/ |
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| 04:04.27 | trevarthan | but for a mouse. |
| 04:13.51 | trevarthan | hmmmm... I bet I can use that to type text messages on my phone. sweet! |
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| 04:42.02 | erstazi | hi pupnik |
| 04:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | This guy on ITT arguing for shortwave and a thermometer baffles me. |
| 04:42.33 | erstazi | GeneralAntilles: can I see the URL please? |
| 04:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | Starts around the page 5 or 6 in this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=88537#post88537 |
| 04:43.30 | unique311 | Eee pc will sport touchscreen or not? |
| 04:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | Eee PC seems like a waste of money with the same resolution as the N800 at almost twice the screen size. |
| 04:45.38 | unique311 | 200 |
| 04:45.45 | unique311 | thats not money. |
| 04:46.04 | unique311 | ;) |
| 04:46.04 | trevarthan | the TV/MythTV box that I'm typing this on has a lower resolution than my n800. |
| 04:46.18 | trevarthan | 740x456 or something. NTSC. |
| 04:46.31 | unique311 | hey whats up trevarthan. |
| 04:46.43 | trevarthan | and the TV is a LOT bigger than my n800. :) |
| 04:46.49 | trevarthan | hey unique311. what's up? |
| 04:46.56 | unique311 | nothing. |
| 04:47.03 | unique311 | looking for a new toy on ebay.. |
| 04:47.14 | trevarthan | can't wait for the n810? |
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| 04:48.32 | unique311 | holding out...too much for pretty much a keyboard addon... |
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| 04:49.22 | trevarthan | sunlight readable screen + GPS makes it worth it for me. |
| 04:49.23 | Rask330 | Haha, the N800 apparently does actually work to play Nanaca crash... albeit somewhat awkwardly. :D |
| 04:49.36 | unique311 | you are a dev and most like will get a nice discount on you purchase.. |
| 04:49.49 | trevarthan | yeah. hope so. |
| 04:50.00 | unique311 | hope so.. |
| 04:50.10 | trevarthan | I'd probably buy one outright even if I didn't though. |
| 04:50.38 | trevarthan | but I'm stupid like that. :) |
| 04:50.55 | |R | :) |
| 04:51.13 | unique311 | gps... |
| 04:51.14 | _Monkey | gps is nice, though |
| 04:51.36 | trevarthan | hey milhouse |
| 04:51.36 | _Monkey | somebody said milhouse was the owner of _monkey |
| 04:51.44 | trevarthan | gay |
| 04:51.55 | trevarthan | gay is _Monkey |
| 04:51.55 | unique311 | hmm, thought pupnik was your owner |
| 04:52.01 | trevarthan | gay |
| 04:52.06 | trevarthan | aw |
| 04:53.13 | trevarthan | man. I set out tonight to code coverflow in Kagu, then I got all distracted by shiny stuff. |
| 04:53.44 | trevarthan | oh well. probably couldn't have coded it in one night anyway |
| 04:53.47 | unique311 | did you get steve's permission? |
| 04:54.18 | trevarthan | didn't know I needed it. |
| 04:54.35 | trevarthan | it's just a freakin' scrolling album art screen. it's not complicated. |
| 04:54.49 | unique311 | coverflow is not apple's property. |
| 04:55.24 | trevarthan | It might be fun to get sued over something like that anyway. |
| 04:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 04:56.05 | trevarthan | Nokia should pay me to duplicate Apple ideas on the n800 in python and get sued for it. that would be cool. |
| 04:57.07 | unique311 | would be cool to play with....will this be for the next release of kagu? |
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| 04:58.13 | trevarthan | maybe. dunno |
| 04:58.29 | trevarthan | :) sciboy: not a kagu fan? |
| 04:59.35 | unique311 | sciboy is bored.. |
| 04:59.56 | trevarthan | I'm officially a Violent Femmes addict now. |
| 05:00.10 | trevarthan | I need to get more of their CDs |
| 05:00.19 | unique311 | a thread on IT discussing why on the new n810 page kagu is not featured, and ukmp is.. |
| 05:00.37 | trevarthan | yeah, like, kontori works for nokia? |
| 05:00.48 | unique311 | yeah |
| 05:01.02 | trevarthan | and also python 2.4 is still the default in chinook, I think. |
| 05:01.14 | trevarthan | kagu still requires 2.5 |
| 05:01.41 | sciboy | Nah I'm not bored, just woke up. |
| 05:01.52 | unique311 | ukmp does movies. |
| 05:02.37 | trevarthan | kagu would do movies if someone really wanted it to. |
| 05:02.49 | trevarthan | doesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in it. |
| 05:03.16 | trevarthan | I personally don't watch movies on my n800 much. |
| 05:03.38 | unique311 | gave up on that also. |
| 05:03.53 | trevarthan | transcoding just takes too long. it's a pain. |
| 05:03.58 | unique311 | not a big fan of having to use software to encode... |
| 05:04.04 | GeneralAntilles | mediaserv . . . |
| 05:04.10 | unique311 | lol |
| 05:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's fantastical. |
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| 05:04.26 | trevarthan | I'll watch a lot more when the CPU gets bumped to 400mhz and we can watch youtube. |
| 05:04.36 | unique311 | i told GeneralAntilles this last night.. |
| 05:04.38 | unique311 | i think |
| 05:04.49 | unique311 | ipod video...tis the way to go.. |
| 05:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe once the SDK gets going. |
| 05:05.10 | trevarthan | I never liked my ipod video much either though. |
| 05:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | But without a hi-res screen, it's kinda a one-trick pony. |
| 05:05.28 | unique311 | very true.. |
| 05:05.30 | GeneralAntilles | iPod Touch, that is. |
| 05:05.32 | trevarthan | yeah. I prefer watching video on my big ass screen. |
| 05:05.42 | unique311 | but when you hold that thing really close to your face.. |
| 05:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | The screen on the video is just plain too small. |
| 05:05.47 | unique311 | and bump up the sound... |
| 05:05.48 | trevarthan | like, a TV or something. |
| 05:05.54 | unique311 | movie theaters... |
| 05:05.58 | unique311 | lol |
| 05:06.02 | trevarthan | now you're talking |
| 05:06.18 | unique311 | 2 inches away from your face.. |
| 05:06.18 | trevarthan | stick a movie theatre in my pocket and then we'll talk |
| 05:06.31 | trevarthan | stadium seating and all. |
| 05:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Marry Poppins |
| 05:08.01 | trevarthan | well, I'm off to bed. 1am here. |
| 05:08.18 | disq | night trev |
| 05:08.18 | trevarthan | night folks |
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| 06:02.29 | czr | mornink |
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| 07:21.59 | sciboy | That should stop X from segfaulting. =/ |
| 07:25.57 | pupnik | On It's not a phone?! "I have a phone, small and cheap which I constantly drop, forget at home, or lose. last thing i want to do is bust out this brick to make a phonecall at a club and have it fall to the ground in my drunken haze. which is the reason why i'm glad it's not a phone." - kingka |
| 07:26.12 | pupnik | ") |
| 07:26.16 | czr | heh, true words |
| 07:27.34 | sciboy | pupnik, Turns out the N800 has hardware virtual float. |
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| 07:27.53 | pupnik | VFP? |
| 07:27.54 | _Monkey | VFP is a specific floating point instruction set used by ARM |
| 07:28.13 | czr | yes |
| 07:30.56 | sciboy | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/N800-fp-tests.txt |
| 07:31.19 | pupnik | For what you wanting FP? |
| 07:31.28 | sciboy | 3D |
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| 08:10.55 | pupnik | SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia today announced that the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, the newest device in the company's Nseries line, was honored with LAPTOP's Best of CTIA Award in the Best Overall Product category at the CTIA Wireless IT & Entertainment 2007 Show. |
| 08:11.00 | pupnik | http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LAF07326102007-1.htm |
| 08:12.33 | X-Fade | pupnik: Old news ;) |
| 08:12.52 | X-Fade | But good news though.. |
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| 08:39.41 | tbf | is it normal that there are no applications but the control center and some hello gtk app, after running maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0beta.sh and maemo-sdk-install_4.0beta.sh? |
| 08:40.07 | czr | tbf, it is normal. |
| 08:40.40 | tbf | czr: ah, ok. already thought i'd have messed up somewhere |
| 08:41.12 | czr | tbf, yup. the SDK is meant for building software. nothing much else :-) |
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| 08:46.08 | daef | hi there... i have a little dependency problem in my scratchbox / maemo 3.2 |
| 08:46.35 | daef | i need SDL_rotozoom.h wich is in libsdl-gfx |
| 08:46.40 | daef | (i think) |
| 08:46.53 | daef | but apt-cache search sdl tells me there is no such package |
| 08:47.02 | daef | what to do? |
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| 08:47.59 | mik_ | daef: maybe you have to do a apt-get update to refresh your repository index |
| 08:48.10 | daef | i did... |
| 08:48.24 | daef | no problems with the repository.maemo.org bora stuff |
| 08:48.29 | mik_ | which repositories are in your sources.list? |
| 08:49.53 | daef | w8 |
| 08:51.00 | daef | where to dump?? |
| 08:51.12 | daef | wich pastebin to use? |
| 08:51.35 | mik_ | the one you prefer |
| 08:52.09 | daef | http://pastebin.com/m42087814 |
| 08:52.30 | daef | basically bora free non-free + nokia binaries |
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| 08:55.27 | mik_ | you are missing the extras repository |
| 08:55.35 | daef | which is?? |
| 08:55.37 | daef | sry |
| 08:55.52 | mik_ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free |
| 08:56.01 | daef | ty |
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| 09:02.52 | daef | but the package isn't there neither.... |
| 09:04.22 | daef | my normal debian-repo's know the package libsdk-gfx - maemo's don't?!?! |
| 09:06.48 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:08.00 | sciboy | Brb, trying to get the nvidia drivers on my PC working. |
| 09:08.44 | mik_ | daef: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/s/sdlgfx/ |
| 09:09.11 | daef | why don't i see it after apt-get update?? |
| 09:09.15 | daef | i don't get it! |
| 09:12.02 | daef | the extras repo is the first entry in my sources.list - apt-get update doesn't complain about anything - but apt-cache search gfx does not return even one package.... |
| 09:12.04 | daef | :/ |
| 09:13.15 | mik_ | apt-cache search rotozoom? |
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| 09:18.11 | daef | rotozoom is a headerfile inside the libsdl-gfx-dev package... |
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| 09:18.53 | daef | more exact: i need SDL_rotozoom.h and SDL_gfxPrimitives.h |
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| 09:21.49 | daef | i tried "wget -O- http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/binary-armel/Packages 2>/dev/null | grep gfx | grep ^Package" now - the packages are listed in the Packages file!!! |
| 09:22.55 | daef | ah... it is only in binary-armel - not in binary-i386 |
| 09:23.32 | mik_ | ah, ok |
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| 09:23.41 | mik_ | i tried on a real IT |
| 09:23.42 | daef | so what to do? |
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| 09:23.52 | daef | ?? a real IT ?? |
| 09:24.05 | mik_ | internet tablet |
| 09:24.34 | daef | but i thought the tablets only have the armel sources?!? |
| 09:24.42 | daef | ah... ok |
| 09:24.45 | daef | my fault! |
| 09:25.04 | daef | so how do i get that cr**py package for my X86 target?? |
| 09:33.44 | daef | anyone an idea? |
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| 09:36.14 | daef | .... help .... |
| 09:36.25 | mik_ | no idea |
| 09:36.31 | mik_ | i never used scratchbox |
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| 09:39.44 | AD-N770 | bon dia/good morning |
| 09:41.21 | Veggen | AD-N770: From Catalonia? |
| 09:41.47 | AD-N770 | Veggen: yes |
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| 09:42.40 | Veggen | No, I don't know anything else catalan than "bon dia" :) |
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| 10:05.09 | sciboy | Yay |
| 10:05.11 | inz | daef, apt-get source it and build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us |
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| 10:11.37 | akai--- | hi |
| 10:11.38 | _Monkey | what's up, akai--- |
| 10:15.55 | akai--- | does ext3 work at all in maemo? |
| 10:17.40 | daef | inz: thanks - but i just work in the armel target now - and test the app directly on the n800... |
| 10:18.12 | daef | so i don't have to care about '2' environments (both targets) and just worry about the ARMEL target - where everything works fine!! |
| 10:20.21 | daef | akai---: maybe you'll have to build some modules for ext3 *fg* |
| 10:20.46 | inz | daef, with sdl (especially sdlgfx) it's better to test on the device |
| 10:20.56 | daef | so i do ;) |
| 10:22.15 | daef | inz: what about debugging on the device?? is there a universally valid way to get debugging-info's from the n800 to my local valgrind or stuff like?! |
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| 10:26.11 | inz | daef, valgrind is x86 only, so no :( |
| 10:26.22 | daef | or any other debugging possibilities?! |
| 10:26.43 | inz | daef, gdb should work on the device, although not perfectly |
| 10:26.57 | daef | so gdb runs ON the device?? |
| 10:27.02 | inz | Sure |
| 10:27.08 | daef | never thought about it that way.... |
| 10:27.32 | inz | But unless you have enough -dbg packages, the backtraces may not be sane |
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| 10:27.43 | daef | alway thought i have to "secure remote attatch" to the process |
| 10:28.06 | daef | now i get a little segfault when using sdl *fg* |
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| 10:29.34 | sciboy | Brb |
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| 10:31.29 | daef | n800 resolution is 800x480 - isnt it? |
| 10:32.00 | Jiten | yes |
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| 10:34.59 | mik_ | daef: what are you trying to develop? |
| 10:36.18 | daef | mik_: software for disableds |
| 10:36.55 | daef | mik_: http://tinyurl.com/2p7z5g |
| 10:38.12 | mgedmin | valgrind also supports powerpc, according to its home page |
| 10:39.05 | mgedmin | an arm port is "low priority" |
| 10:40.36 | mik_ | daef: cool, my brother is currently writing his diploma thesis about a similar theme |
| 10:40.54 | daef | nice |
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| 10:47.55 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/deps/libsdl-gfx1.2-dev_2.0.13-3_armel.deb |
| 10:48.09 | pupnik | oh you want 386 - silly |
| 10:48.47 | daef | already working with the armel one - otherwise i would compile it from source - like inz said! |
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| 10:50.13 | pupnik | what are you working on daef ? |
| 10:50.24 | daef | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.59 | pupnik | nice |
| 10:51.02 | daef | y |
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| 10:51.36 | daef | g2g... maybe i'll check back later!! |
| 10:51.39 | pupnik | that should get an award |
| 10:51.41 | pupnik | cheers |
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| 10:57.04 | pupnik | the n800 is a friendlier looking device than their other unit :) http://qurl.org/hT |
| 10:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ha. That looks . . . medieval. |
| 10:59.26 | pupnik | klingon even |
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| 11:00.10 | pupnik | interesting to see three people doing medical applications today |
| 11:00.59 | sciboy | Wiiiiii |
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| 11:02.58 | Lariso | would someone be able to tell me if /etc/resolv.conf should be a symlink to somewhere? |
| 11:03.04 | Lariso | i've overwritten it by mistake :/ |
| 11:03.45 | dpb_ | It's not a symlink afaik |
| 11:03.45 | pupnik | is a regular file |
| 11:03.55 | Lariso | heh i broke something else then |
| 11:03.57 | Lariso | thanks |
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| 11:34.46 | lardman | morning |
| 11:34.47 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 11:36.33 | florian | good morning |
| 11:42.04 | sciboy | Hi |
| 11:42.34 | lardman | did you get your engine to compile then sciboy? |
| 11:42.39 | lardman | hi florian |
| 11:42.45 | sciboy | I loaded it up with rocket fuel |
| 11:44.38 | sciboy | Better than regular unleaded that's for sure. |
| 11:44.52 | lardman | :) |
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| 11:53.57 | mbuf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.34 | jj- | mbuf: tar -xzfv ? |
| 12:01.00 | czr | jj-, you don't need the - with GNU tar. |
| 12:01.08 | czr | since x is not really an option. |
| 12:01.30 | czr | mbuf, check for error messages |
| 12:01.42 | czr | mbuf, or add 2> /tmp/errors.txt and inspect that file after running tar |
| 12:01.56 | czr | the error message is probably "lost" somewhere in the listing produces with -v |
| 12:02.04 | czr | produced even. and s/-//. |
| 12:03.33 | mbuf | czr, lot of "Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted" messages |
| 12:03.46 | mbuf | czr, use sudo? |
| 12:04.03 | czr | mbuf, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:04.16 | mbuf | czr, extract it to a maemo-root directory |
| 12:04.23 | czr | i.e., why aren't you installing it with the script? |
| 12:04.35 | mbuf | czr, trying scratchbox2 |
| 12:04.50 | mbuf | czr, sudo tar xzvf ...tar.gz worked |
| 12:05.03 | czr | hmm. not sure what the proper way of doing it would be then. sudo would work but not sure whether using fakeroot would've been better |
| 12:05.38 | mbuf | czr, i am trying this, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=sbox2.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README |
| 12:06.23 | czr | mbuf, "good" for you? "This is development code, it is broken. " :-) |
| 12:06.37 | mbuf | czr, hehe, ok |
| 12:08.54 | suihkulokki | mbuf: you can ignore the error from tar |
| 12:09.43 | mbuf | suihkulokki, ok |
| 12:09.44 | suihkulokki | mbuf: you just can't make device nodes as regular user (it's not related to sbox in any way) |
| 12:09.52 | mbuf | suihkulokki, sure |
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| 12:17.19 | zaheerm | hi i wastrying to install the chinook beta scratchbox and it complains about my kernel module binfmt_misc not being loaded |
| 12:17.23 | zaheerm | so i loaded it |
| 12:17.37 | zaheerm | it is still complaining about it, and noticed it is looking for a file in /proc |
| 12:17.40 | zaheerm | which i don't have |
| 12:17.45 | zaheerm | any ideas why? |
| 12:19.41 | czr | zaheerm, why you don't have /proc? :-) |
| 12:19.47 | sciboy | Tomorrow is Self-portrait day! |
| 12:19.52 | zaheerm | i have /proc |
| 12:19.58 | zaheerm | just not that file it looks fort |
| 12:20.14 | czr | zaheerm, which file is that? /proc/modules? |
| 12:21.37 | zaheerm | it is /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc |
| 12:23.26 | czr | zaheerm, lsmod | grep binfmt shows what? |
| 12:23.41 | zaheerm | lsmod | grep binfmt |
| 12:23.41 | zaheerm | binfmt_misc 11656 0 |
| 12:23.57 | czr | which distro/kernel are you running? |
| 12:24.03 | zaheerm | 2.6.23 |
| 12:24.06 | zaheerm | gentoo |
| 12:24.06 | _Monkey | hmmm... gentoo is not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason. |
| 12:24.13 | czr | hah, I almost knew it |
| 12:24.21 | czr | and for once, monkey is useful too. |
| 12:24.23 | zaheerm | haha no need to laugh |
| 12:24.34 | zaheerm | i am actually a gentoo dev |
| 12:24.42 | czr | you've probably disabled the "deprecated sysfs entries" or smt like that |
| 12:24.51 | zaheerm | aah yes |
| 12:24.54 | zaheerm | i think i did |
| 12:25.12 | czr | not 100% sure whether they'd affect binfmt, but that's what I'd try first |
| 12:25.24 | czr | the correct fix would be fixing the installation scripts to cope with the situation though |
| 12:25.31 | czr | they're looking in places which are obsolete |
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| 12:25.51 | zaheerm | yah |
| 12:25.59 | czr | so you might try to locate the same info under /sys somewhere, and then file a bug report against the install scripts |
| 12:26.07 | zaheerm | yah i'll do that |
| 12:26.12 | czr | if you manage to find something which looks more or less like it's supposed to |
| 12:26.38 | zaheerm | sys/module/binfmt_misc |
| 12:26.51 | czr | is that a directory or a file? |
| 12:26.52 | zaheerm | cat /sys/module/binfmt_misc/initstate |
| 12:26.52 | zaheerm | live |
| 12:27.04 | czr | can you pastebin ls -l of it? |
| 12:27.05 | zaheerm | that's a dir but the initstate inside it is a file |
| 12:27.14 | czr | or it only has initstate? |
| 12:27.23 | zaheerm | no it has more |
| 12:27.40 | mbuf | what should be in /etc/apt/sources.list file to use Bora packages? Using Debian Etch |
| 12:27.50 | czr | should have 'register' and 'status' at least. at least with proc. those are used to control binfmt |
| 12:28.08 | zaheerm | http://rafb.net/p/OSQ3oc76.html |
| 12:28.27 | czr | zaheerm, yup. it's not the right place then |
| 12:28.27 | zaheerm | aah ok |
| 12:28.35 | czr | that only contains the generic module stuff (all modules have those) |
| 12:29.04 | zaheerm | nothing in sys has binfmt except that place |
| 12:29.22 | czr | zaheerm, hmm. maybe binfmt is broken in .23 |
| 12:29.24 | zuh | FWIW, scratchbox assumes it's under proc (see /scratchbox/sbin/register_misc_runner) |
| 12:30.00 | zaheerm | yah but in a location that doesn't exist for my kernel |
| 12:30.33 | zaheerm | let me check the docs |
| 12:30.54 | zaheerm | fuck |
| 12:31.00 | zaheerm | i am meant to do this: mount binfmt_misc -t binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc |
| 12:31.07 | zaheerm | :) |
| 12:31.12 | czr | heh |
| 12:31.24 | czr | that pretty much explains it then ;-) |
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| 12:32.26 | zaheerm | my init scripts probably do this |
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| 12:33.05 | zaheerm | yep |
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| 12:40.38 | mbuf | why do i get this error when i do "sb2 apt-get source fontconfig", http://pastebin.ca/755028 |
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| 12:50.10 | pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt |
| 12:50.49 | mbuf | fixed, repository had to be in scratchbox target ARMEL etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:55.18 | daef | hi there again |
| 12:55.19 | daef | ! |
| 12:56.35 | daef | is the standard sqlite3 from the repo damaged?? when creating the second table in an empty test.db i get an error - when apt-get source'ing and compiling it myself it works |
| 12:57.10 | daef | (scratchbox-maemo-3.2-arm-target-qemu) |
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| 13:01.17 | Rothiel | Hi all :) |
| 13:01.23 | daef | hi |
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| 13:13.08 | daef | does anyone know how to read battery state and AC-adapter state from the n800? |
| 13:13.47 | czr | daef, by using undocumented d-bus calls into proprietary software ;-) |
| 13:13.51 | daef | Tak: what is funny on that paste?? (i may be too dumb to get the point) |
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| 13:14.08 | daef | czr: and these undocumentet calls are documentet where? |
| 13:14.18 | daef | s/tet/ted/g |
| 13:14.21 | czr | daef, I'd assume Nokia has some docs on them. or maybe not even them. |
| 13:14.44 | czr | you get a signal when the ac state changes though, you can see it on the system bus with dbus-monitor |
| 13:15.05 | czr | but as to getting the state when your program starts for example, I do not know. |
| 13:15.08 | daef | can't i simply query a dumb file? |
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| 13:15.19 | daef | where 1 means on AC and 0 means on battery?? |
| 13:15.20 | czr | well, if you find one |
| 13:15.24 | daef | as stupid as that? |
| 13:15.40 | daef | let's give it a look |
| 13:16.17 | Tak | daef: nothing particularly - I'm just inordinately excited at parsing the vkb |
| 13:16.30 | daef | Tak: kk |
| 13:16.32 | daef | ;) |
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| 13:17.42 | inz | Tak, are you going to make a console vkb?-) |
| 13:21.19 | daef | somehow the app in the upper right corner has to query the bat-state and ac-state.... |
| 13:21.31 | daef | where do i get that source!? |
| 13:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's binary-only, afaik. |
| 13:21.53 | Tak | inz: I'm looking at making a vkb in rubygame |
| 13:22.06 | daef | i thought the whole platform is open |
| 13:22.08 | daef | ?!?! |
| 13:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Whatever gave you that idea? |
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| 13:24.13 | daef | the kernel source is available - so i thought the nokia binaries are open too.... |
| 13:24.24 | daef | ..thought with some restricted licenses.... but open |
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| 13:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | Nope, sorry. :) |
| 13:25.31 | daef | pigcr*p |
| 13:25.41 | kpel | hi all |
| 13:25.44 | daef | s/*/A/g |
| 13:25.56 | daef | infobot: i love you! |
| 13:25.56 | infobot | You love you!? |
| 13:26.06 | daef | infobot: no |
| 13:26.06 | infobot | YES |
| 13:26.15 | daef | infobot: who programmed you |
| 13:26.37 | daef | infobot: who programmed you? |
| 13:26.45 | daef | infobot: self destruct! |
| 13:27.20 | Okko | infobot: infobot loves infobot? |
| 13:27.41 | daef | infobot: Okko is stupid - isn't he |
| 13:27.42 | infobot | okay, daef |
| 13:27.45 | daef | lol |
| 13:27.56 | daef | Okko: scnr |
| 13:27.57 | Okko | it's clearly in your control |
| 13:28.09 | daef | infobot: Okko |
| 13:28.10 | infobot | well, okko is stupid - isn't he |
| 13:28.10 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, infobot. |
| 13:28.13 | Okko | infobot: take it back! |
| 13:28.37 | daef | infobot: _Monkey is cool, isn't he? |
| 13:28.39 | infobot | daef: okay |
| 13:28.43 | daef | infobot: _Monkey |
| 13:28.44 | infobot | _monkey is, like, cool, isn't he? |
| 13:28.44 | _Monkey | i think i am an annoying bot |
| 13:28.52 | daef | loool |
| 13:28.55 | daef | i like infobot |
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| 13:30.52 | lopz | hola |
| 13:31.11 | erstazi | hi lopz |
| 13:31.20 | lopz | heya erstazi |
| 13:31.20 | _Monkey | erstazi is sure there is a tutorial out there for that |
| 13:31.32 | lopz | xD |
| 13:31.53 | erstazi | _Monkey: forget erstazi |
| 13:31.54 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi |
| 13:31.55 | pupnik | homebrew wlan antennae: relevant to my interests |
| 13:32.18 | erstazi | pupnik: my new WRT54GL is coming in the mail (: |
| 13:32.57 | pupnik | this is the hackable linux one? |
| 13:33.01 | erstazi | pupnik: but, do you have an URL for a homebrew wlan antennae? |
| 13:33.09 | erstazi | pupnik: yes, that is correct |
| 13:33.14 | pupnik | http://www.dl7afb.homepage.t-online.de/projects/DECT-WIFI-Antennas.htm german sorry |
| 13:33.20 | pupnik | links at bottom |
| 13:33.38 | daef | the L in GL stands for linux |
| 13:33.41 | erstazi | pupnik: I can read some Deutsch (: |
| 13:33.50 | daef | i think ddwrt is the best firmware for the wrt |
| 13:34.19 | daef | but thats a religious question to flame about... like kde vs xfce vs fluxbox vs gnome |
| 13:34.22 | pupnik | 2.4ghz do not liek steel-reinforced concrete |
| 13:34.28 | daef | and m$ vs *nix |
| 13:35.04 | daef | so - does anyone know a 'simple' way to query the n800's battery state? |
| 13:35.12 | daef | infobot: do you know anything about that? |
| 13:35.13 | infobot | yes, I know anything about that. |
| 13:35.47 | daef | infobot: you kick ass! |
| 13:35.48 | infobot | yep, I sure do. |
| 13:35.53 | erstazi | daef: dd-wrt is nice, I might try openwrt as well |
| 13:35.55 | Rothiel | I have a problem |
| 13:36.03 | erstazi | hi Rothiel |
| 13:36.06 | Rothiel | I wanna update to sdk 3.2 |
| 13:36.06 | daef | erstazi: openwrt is kinda - childish |
| 13:36.09 | Rothiel | but |
| 13:36.10 | Rothiel | hi erstazi |
| 13:36.12 | erstazi | daef: haha |
| 13:36.13 | Rothiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.15 | Rothiel | ;( |
| 13:36.20 | daef | Rothiel: have a lot of fun |
| 13:36.21 | Rothiel | it's me ? |
| 13:36.25 | daef | check your /ets/resolv.conf |
| 13:36.36 | daef | and check your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 13:36.43 | daef | inside the scratchbox |
| 13:36.45 | erstazi | daef: honestly, with time constraints, I might just end up with dd-wrt |
| 13:36.55 | inz | And also /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf |
| 13:36.58 | daef | check your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:37.02 | daef | inz: yes |
| 13:37.28 | Rothiel | I'm on it |
| 13:37.32 | daef | Rothiel: pray to god and do some voodoo rituals |
| 13:37.44 | erstazi | pupnik: which one (antennae) are you doing? |
| 13:37.55 | daef | Rothiel: maybe drink the blood of one or two chickins' |
| 13:37.58 | erstazi | haha |
| 13:38.39 | Rothiel | 192.168.1.1... It is'nt the goop ip ? |
| 13:38.41 | daef | infobot: what do you know about me |
| 13:38.42 | infobot | ACTION do you know about me to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 13:39.12 | daef | Rothiel: are you seriously asking us about a 192.168.*.* ip?? |
| 13:39.33 | daef | that's like asking petrus if 'markus' is here already - there might be more than one |
| 13:40.07 | daef | diff the file with your host's /etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf |
| 13:41.55 | Rothiel | I'm a noob |
| 13:42.07 | Rothiel | (to explain my last question ^^) |
| 13:42.35 | erstazi | Rothiel: usually, thats the internal IP of your network |
| 13:43.06 | erstazi | and what I mean by "usually," its around,... mmm 99.9% |
| 13:43.20 | Rothiel | shame on me ;__; |
| 13:43.36 | daef | Rothiel: read following RFC's: 791-793, 826, 894, 2131 |
| 13:43.37 | erstazi | Rothiel: its ok, everyone is a noob at once |
| 13:43.58 | daef | infobot: what do you think about reading rfc's |
| 13:43.58 | infobot | ACTION do you think about reading rfc's to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 13:44.00 | erstazi | s/at once/at one time/ |
| 13:44.30 | daef | erstazi: everybody is a noob - some have some particular knowledge - but are noobs in another way ;) |
| 13:44.42 | erstazi | daef: correct |
| 13:44.52 | erstazi | daef: which agrees with my statement |
| 13:45.30 | erstazi | daef: the difference of an ignorant retard and an intelligent raskel is the intelligent raskel is willing to learn new things |
| 13:45.49 | erstazi | hence, I always prefer the people who ask questions |
| 13:45.57 | erstazi | sincere questions |
| 13:46.02 | Rothiel | no diff between the files |
| 13:46.10 | daef | let me ask dict.leo.org what a raskel and what a retard is... w8 |
| 13:46.16 | Rothiel | I think that my work's network sucks |
| 13:46.36 | daef | does wget google.at work inside your scratchbox?? |
| 13:46.38 | erstazi | daef: Dummkopf == retard |
| 13:47.12 | daef | erstazi: got that one - but what is a raskel? |
| 13:47.40 | daef | Rothiel: try "wget google.at" and see if you get a index.html in your working directory |
| 13:48.44 | erstazi | daef: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raskel |
| 13:48.50 | Rothiel | yep |
| 13:49.01 | Rothiel | it's workings for some websites |
| 13:49.06 | erstazi | nevermind |
| 13:49.11 | erstazi | its not defined |
| 13:49.13 | Rothiel | but not repository :/ |
| 13:49.35 | erstazi | daef: I shall reword: I meant someone who is just intelligent |
| 13:49.40 | erstazi | raskel was just a play word |
| 13:49.40 | daef | try "strace apt-get update 2>log" on both - host and scratchbox |
| 13:49.47 | daef | and compare the to outputs |
| 13:50.03 | daef | erstazi: kk |
| 13:50.04 | erstazi | daef: there are still members of my family in Burgenland |
| 13:50.14 | Rothiel | okay |
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| 13:50.16 | daef | i went to school in burgenland |
| 13:50.22 | erstazi | really? |
| 13:50.26 | daef | i am from upper austria |
| 13:50.29 | erstazi | daef: know any Keiper |
| 13:50.41 | daef | erstazi: nope |
| 13:51.02 | erstazi | I got to depart |
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| 14:25.27 | Tak | hmm - is there a maemo build of SDL_gfx ? |
| 14:26.48 | inz | Tak, for mistral in extras |
| 14:26.55 | inz | Tak, s/mistral/armel/ |
| 14:27.34 | Tak | ok, nice |
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| 14:31.46 | szucsati | hi |
| 14:32.30 | rafl | what audio driver does the n800 use? |
| 14:33.49 | Rothiel | re |
| 14:34.55 | pupnik | rafl: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html |
| 14:35.26 | rafl | pupnik: thanks |
| 14:35.32 | rafl | I think I'll use alsa then. |
| 14:36.10 | pupnik | does it2008 have an ogg vorbis dspsink? |
| 14:36.15 | szucsati | is there a difference between the Navicore dvd & licence in the 770 kit and the B800 kit? |
| 14:36.34 | szucsati | N800 kit |
| 14:37.53 | szucsati | (I'm thinking about buying a 770 navkit for a low price and use it's licence with os2008.. if it's possible) |
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| 15:06.24 | playya2 | hi everybody |
| 15:09.31 | Tak | http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1804543188/ |
| 15:10.23 | pupnik | this is what is? |
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| 15:10.40 | pupnik | besides good looking |
| 15:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | Something involving Ruby, is my guess. |
| 15:11.43 | playya2 | i have a problem with scratchbox an maemo |
| 15:11.46 | Tak | heh - rubygame-generated onscreen kb |
| 15:11.50 | Tak | and :-P @ GeneralAntilles |
| 15:12.03 | playya2 | the machine is set to arm instead of armel |
| 15:12.51 | playya2 | and so apt searches arm-binary instead of armel-binary on the server |
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| 15:14.58 | pupnik | playya2: arm was used in OS2005. maybe you installed an old 2005 root fs to your target |
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| 15:16.56 | rafl | why would dpkg -e some.deb say 'unexpected end of file in version number in some.deb'? after checking control.tar.gz everything seems to be perfectly fine. |
| 15:17.05 | rafl | also dpkg -e within scratchbox works just fine. |
| 15:17.45 | sladen | what's the name of the maemo 3rd party apt/sources.list line installer ? |
| 15:18.49 | playya2 | vi ? |
| 15:18.50 | _Monkey | rumour has it vi is scarry to me |
| 15:19.10 | playya2 | pupnik: no i have a new one |
| 15:19.15 | celesteh | heh, it sars monkey |
| 15:19.25 | playya2 | it produces compiles which work on the n800 |
| 15:19.25 | celesteh | s/sars/scars/ |
| 15:19.51 | Tak | sladen: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free |
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| 15:20.18 | sladen | Tak: no, the tool that handles .install files |
| 15:20.40 | sladen | (if that's the right terminology) |
| 15:21.17 | sladen | what I'm after is the definition that that file |
| 15:21.34 | Tak | ah |
| 15:22.02 | Tak | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html ? |
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| 15:47.45 | fysafysa | What's the easiest way to get cron working on the N800? Would like to schedule regular rsyncs and such. |
| 15:48.55 | zoran | use shell script or perl/python |
| 15:49.10 | zoran | define variable for time |
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| 15:54.00 | sciboy | Hmmm, want to start converting vids for the N800 using Avidemux |
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| 16:01.39 | fysafysa | and have the shell script sleep until the specific time? |
| 16:01.50 | fysafysa | hmm. |
| 16:01.52 | Jiten | is anyone working on using memory cards encrypted? |
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| 16:03.13 | fysafysa | that's not a horrible idea. |
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| 16:04.07 | fysafysa | How about running a screensaver? Are there any N800 screensavers? |
| 16:04.20 | zoran | Jiten, the only option I've heard is maemokrypt |
| 16:04.41 | Disconnect | why did infoweek just send me "industry status" spam on my maemo.org email addy? :( |
| 16:04.52 | fysafysa | I'd like to run the N800 as a bed-side clock at night by launching MClock or some such in power-waste mode if we're plugged in. |
| 16:05.17 | fysafysa | but MClock is horrible inefficient .. I think it uses almost 8mb of RAM. |
| 16:05.33 | fysafysa | a simple clock screensaver would do. |
| 16:05.53 | zoran | isn't it expensive for just a clock? :) |
| 16:06.08 | fysafysa | yes, that's why it's slowly becoming everything ;) |
| 16:07.56 | fysafysa | my goal: rsync 'Sleep Mix' music to the device, turn backlight all the way down, set audio to a specific level, create randomized playlist of Sleep Mix, feed to audio player, launch night time clock |
| 16:08.39 | fysafysa | but MClock will need to be modified to quit or move-to-back on double touch, so you can easily get back to a browser. |
| 16:08.42 | L0cutus | a good thing is to port encfs to maemo via fuse :) |
| 16:10.09 | fysafysa | it seems like a crontab 'emulator' for alarmd could be written. |
| 16:10.59 | fysafysa | not that I'm signing anyone else up for any of this ;) |
| 16:11.50 | fysafysa | just a recent N800 convert and on my way to migrating life from desktop to handheld |
| 16:12.00 | zoran | tehre was some talk about python app like cron, but cannot find it right now |
| 16:12.50 | fysafysa | yeah, I don't think that's the right solution. keeping a python interpreter around to munch on RAM all day is not a good use of our pauper's 128mb. |
| 16:13.17 | zoran | walkaround could be to make script that reads $time and sleeps a minut or so; if $time is right, load whatever |
| 16:13.39 | fysafysa | busybox has crond. |
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| 16:13.48 | zoran | hm, gonna see it |
| 16:14.01 | fysafysa | on my OpenWRT router, anyway |
| 16:14.11 | Tak | anacron? |
| 16:14.18 | fysafysa | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 24 2007 /usr/sbin/crond -> ../../bin/busybox |
| 16:14.41 | fysafysa | could it be that simple?: |
| 16:15.00 | zoran | on 3.2006.49-2 no cron/anacron |
| 16:15.01 | fysafysa | could N800 have a specific busybox built without cron? |
| 16:16.12 | fysafysa | Currently defined functions: |
| 16:16.12 | Rothiel | excuse me |
| 16:16.14 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.16 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.18 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.20 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.22 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.24 | fysafysa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.26 | fysafysa | Sorry for the long paste. |
| 16:16.39 | Rothiel | Can someone give me an exemple of a simple Makefile ? |
| 16:16.52 | Rothiel | to build a package of hello world, for example |
| 16:16.57 | Rothiel | please ! |
| 16:17.24 | fysafysa | busybox would need to be rebuilt with crond, crontab |
| 16:19.09 | fysafysa | should probably add wget |
| 16:20.17 | Rothiel | someone to help me please ? |
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| 16:20.25 | fysafysa | which is also available for busybox |
| 16:20.25 | _Monkey | okay, fysafysa. |
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| 16:20.57 | fysafysa | Rothiel: http://oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu/~bhumphre/makefile.html |
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| 16:22.17 | Rothiel | thanks ! |
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| 16:29.51 | pupnik | i think the .install doesn't like my repository |
| 16:30.37 | pupnik | when i click on the .install file, browser shows me a text file |
| 16:31.34 | Rothiel | à toute lesgens |
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| 16:33.11 | X-Fade | pupnik: You have to use the correct mime-type for .install |
| 16:33.51 | X-Fade | Content-type: application/x-install-instructions |
| 16:34.10 | pupnik | thank yooo :) |
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| 17:08.13 | pupnik | iles with the extension ".install" are recognized by the Internet |
| 17:08.13 | pupnik | Tablet OS to have the mime type "application/x-install-instructions", |
| 17:08.16 | pupnik | but you might also need to configure your web server accordingly. |
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| 17:17.13 | Jiten | I went through the process to make my n800 boot from mmc. Now if I only could remember why. I have this faint idea that it was the first step before doing something else. No idea what though. |
| 17:17.48 | pupnik | X-Fade: i don't own the webhoster, is there a way to specify content-type in the html link to the .install file? |
| 17:18.01 | zoran | Jiten, any new opinion about nokia 6120 classic? |
| 17:18.30 | pupnik | i tried to add a <head> section in the .install file but that dinno work. http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
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| 17:19.34 | Jiten | zoran: yes, it definitely is the 3G only setting. it hasn't heated up once with combo or 2G only mode. |
| 17:19.57 | zoran | cool |
| 17:20.31 | zoran | I made a tour around stores and found interesting 6233 |
| 17:21.38 | L0cutus | hi |
| 17:21.39 | _Monkey | hello, L0cutus |
| 17:21.51 | L0cutus | i'm trying to build a dev system for maemo... |
| 17:21.59 | L0cutus | (sdk ecc..) |
| 17:22.46 | L0cutus | but i doesn't know wich file i need to dowload from scratchbox... |
| 17:22.52 | Jiten | zoran: let's see, S40 based so less of a smartphone. Interface might be more snappy though. Less applications available. No multitasking. |
| 17:23.09 | L0cutus | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/?M=D |
| 17:23.21 | zoran | Joten, looks so cute |
| 17:23.31 | Jiten | no 3G either |
| 17:23.35 | zoran | better keyboard |
| 17:23.41 | zoran | and yes 3g |
| 17:23.55 | zoran | small memory footstep |
| 17:24.02 | pupnik | does http://pupnik.de/xkbd.install launch app manager for anyone (request for test help) |
| 17:25.07 | zoran | pupnik, I see it in browser as ascii file |
| 17:25.20 | pupnik | thank you |
| 17:26.40 | Jiten | zoran: also the web browser is rather limited ... though, I've never planned on using that. |
| 17:26.58 | Jiten | the screen doesn't have enough resolution for comfortable web browsing |
| 17:27.35 | zoran | 6233? |
| 17:27.35 | Jiten | well, that's the technical differences. |
| 17:27.48 | zoran | I nad intention to use it as a phone |
| 17:27.51 | zoran | *had |
| 17:28.23 | Jiten | yes, it'll work as a phone. Though the internet connection it can do is somewhat limited. |
| 17:28.39 | zoran | not so good signal here |
| 17:28.45 | zoran | and pretty expensive |
| 17:29.15 | zoran | I need perfect phone, with good receive and speaker |
| 17:29.49 | zoran | I reread my last line and cannot believe I wrote that |
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| 17:30.23 | Jiten | anyway, it likely has better battery life than 6120 so if that weighs the scales, go for it |
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| 17:30.33 | chx | http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Power-Battery-Powered-CP-H420MP/dp/B0002UQALQ could this be useful as a power injector? |
| 17:30.37 | zoran | looks a way better battery |
| 17:32.08 | zoran | there is some mistery about firmware version, if I see it as I should |
| 17:32.45 | Jiten | firmware version? |
| 17:32.55 | zoran | yep, 5.10 vs 5.43 |
| 17:33.10 | zoran | for 6233, to clear out |
| 17:33.21 | Jiten | what's the mystery? |
| 17:33.49 | zoran | some says one is better, another says it almost crashed my device, another... |
| 17:34.01 | Jiten | right |
| 17:34.02 | zoran | no 2 identical opinions |
| 17:34.17 | Jiten | phones are becoming more computer like |
| 17:34.18 | zoran | and a lot of indie sellers here |
| 17:34.33 | zoran | dunno what gonna buy in deed |
| 17:34.53 | Jiten | if it works, don't upgrade the firmware :) |
| 17:35.03 | zoran | hm, I will not :) |
| 17:35.12 | zoran | just have to buy it first :) |
| 17:35.46 | Jiten | my phone actually has a newer firmware than the one nokia offers on their update website. |
| 17:36.20 | zoran | they have some unofficial versions |
| 17:36.25 | Jiten | n800 came with OS2006 though. |
| 17:36.39 | zoran | uh! |
| 17:36.50 | zoran | developer edition? |
| 17:36.50 | _Monkey | i heard developer edition was out |
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| 17:37.17 | Jiten | umm, developer edition? |
| 17:37.17 | _Monkey | developer edition is out |
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| 17:37.56 | zoran | I mantioned first versions of it for developers at $100 rate |
| 17:38.16 | Jiten | n800, not n810 |
| 17:38.30 | zoran | yes, at january 2007 |
| 17:38.42 | Jiten | I've had neither of these for a month yet. |
| 17:39.27 | Jiten | I got them as a package. Paying 23€/month for the 24 months for these as a package |
| 17:41.41 | Jiten | likely going to be 3-4 years before I'll replace either. |
| 17:41.54 | Jiten | unless one of them breaks, that is. |
| 17:42.29 | zoran | ah, gizmos go when you don't except them |
| 17:42.36 | zoran | *expect |
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| 17:43.23 | zoran | I always thought that linux NetWord dictionary should be part of maemo catalog |
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| 17:55.44 | zoran | pupnik is our friend; we want him happy |
| 17:56.37 | pupnik | heh |
| 17:57.00 | pupnik | i think i would have to set up the .install mime type in apache webserver |
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| 18:40.23 | Tak | whee - http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1805445560/ |
| 18:42.39 | sciboy | RAWR! |
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| 18:51.38 | sciboy | Night, gotta get a few things rolling. |
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| 19:28.30 | pupnik | http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/c0/1d/5cde_1_b.JPG hah nokia CAN put buttons on the right hand side! :) (nokia 7710) |
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| 19:32.53 | ||cw | what is that |
| 19:33.00 | ||cw | that nokia device |
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| 19:36.01 | Okko | ||cw: it's from somewhere around 2003, a phone |
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| 19:45.28 | keesj | hi |
| 19:46.10 | keesj | pupnik: I have played with that device @ |
| 19:47.17 | pupnik | flip^: yeah new game coming |
| 19:47.27 | szucsati | what's wrong with the buttons on the left side? you have a stylus normally in your right hand when using a tablet |
| 19:47.32 | keesj | the screen was to large for the jvm to play nice |
| 19:47.42 | keesj | szucsati: GAMING |
| 19:47.43 | _Monkey | GAMING is, like, priority with gp2x |
| 19:47.45 | pupnik | szucsati: a) i'm left handed b) gaming |
| 19:48.24 | keesj | still it's al fake and we as community have failed big time |
| 19:48.32 | szucsati | eh.. children :P |
| 19:48.41 | szucsati | buy a bt keyboard than |
| 19:49.10 | keesj | not wiremote support in game, noturning the sscreen around |
| 19:49.30 | keesj | bt keyboards are not that good for gaming |
| 19:49.34 | pupnik | np: Datarock - Computer Camp Love |
| 19:49.46 | pupnik | bt work fine here, but needs to be sitting on a table |
| 19:50.30 | szucsati | http://www.smartgamepad.com/ |
| 19:50.40 | keesj | I have this bt keyboard !! http://www.logicool.co.jp/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192&cl=nl,nl |
| 19:51.03 | szucsati | keesj: must have benn expensive.. |
| 19:51.13 | flip^ | pupnik: ooh, what's the new game? any previews ;) |
| 19:51.14 | keesj | about 170 euro, |
| 19:51.29 | keesj | I did not get the mouse part to work yet very nicely on the tablet |
| 19:51.45 | keesj | szucsati: it's very slick , when you touch the keys they light up |
| 19:51.46 | szucsati | i've ordered a microsoft bt keyboard for 45usd :P |
| 19:51.55 | pupnik | good deal |
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| 19:52.18 | szucsati | yes, seems to bee a high quality stuff, and I like logitech anyway |
| 19:52.40 | keesj | still I can't really use it with my 770 or n800 in bed on on the coutch |
| 19:53.06 | keesj | or I would require to have the nokia mounted on my head :p |
| 19:54.03 | flip^ | hmm, now there's a gap in the market to be filled... PDA hat mounts... |
| 19:54.47 | pupnik | flip^: will have something by tomorrow i hope |
| 19:54.59 | flip^ | cool |
| 19:55.04 | pupnik | right now i'm trying to package stuff and figure out why .install not working |
| 19:55.06 | keesj | the 810 has a keyboard I really wonder how that is going to feel |
| 19:55.15 | flip^ | pupnik: very unlike you to package things ;) |
| 19:56.07 | szucsati | as I heard the buttons are too small and the top buttons are too close to the device, very uncomfy |
| 19:56.11 | pupnik | i like to think of it as encouraging linux skills |
| 19:56.17 | keesj | echo wget -o -- http://pupnik.org/install.sh | sh |
| 19:56.26 | flip^ | szucsati: but apparently it's possible to get used to it |
| 19:56.45 | szucsati | depends on your fingers i think |
| 19:56.55 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html do you know how i can make that .install file work there keesj? |
| 19:57.15 | pupnik | or does my webhoster need to configure his server to set .install to x-application-install mime type? |
| 19:57.17 | szucsati | but i don't care, i just changed my 770 to an N800 :) |
| 19:57.52 | keesj | you need to set the mime-type |
| 19:58.00 | szucsati | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-WIRELESS-BLUETOOTH-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-PDA-PC_W0QQitemZ170161951669QQihZ007QQcategoryZ133241QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:58.02 | pupnik | where? |
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| 19:58.23 | keesj | in the apache configuration (or whatever web-server you use) |
| 19:58.36 | pupnik | ah but i do not control the server - it is on a hosting service |
| 19:58.49 | keesj | lynx -head http://pupnik.de/xkbd.install returns Content-Type: text/plain |
| 19:59.25 | pupnik | can i force the content-type without controlling the webserver? |
| 20:00.20 | keesj | with a .htaccess file if it's apache |
| 20:00.30 | keesj | or with a php file |
| 20:00.32 | flip^ | you could probably write a php script or something to directly serve up the headers and file too |
| 20:00.46 | pupnik | hmm ok ty |
| 20:00.52 | keesj | this is a "working" example http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/packages/wxlua.install |
| 20:01.14 | keesj | working is a big word, bug the content-type is right |
| 20:02.28 | keesj | Jaffa do you watch the mud-builder-users list? |
| 20:04.46 | keesj | pupnik: still you package requires the uinput module right? |
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| 20:07.04 | pupnik | added line to new file .htacces // ForceType "application/x-install-instructions" .install |
| 20:07.26 | pupnik | doesn't work |
| 20:07.33 | pupnik | don't know uinput module |
| 20:07.38 | pupnik | you mean a kernel module? |
| 20:07.55 | flip^ | pupnik: would some php code that could do what you need help at all? |
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| 20:08.28 | keesj | pupnik: is the .htaccess file readable by the web-server and not by the world ? |
| 20:08.50 | pupnik | i just put a .htaccess in the root web dir www |
| 20:09.43 | keesj | apache it pretty nasty about ownership and rights of the .htaccess file, errors are usualy logged in a error.log |
| 20:09.43 | pupnik | perhaps http will be necessary. |
| 20:11.14 | keesj | I run on lighttp so I can no really help you much here , creating it is php could also be nice , specialy to include counters |
| 20:11.45 | pupnik | ok i'll read up on this and if needed call/write the hoster |
| 20:12.01 | keesj | or even 0install kind of functionality, so you can create a virtual repository for every user |
| 20:12.18 | pupnik | thanks for saving me time |
| 20:12.35 | keesj | pupnik: yo, |
| 20:12.40 | keesj | are there she's in here? |
| 20:12.53 | pupnik | flip^: thanks if you want to paste that somewhere i'd like to see it |
| 20:13.19 | keesj | http://nl2.php.net/header |
| 20:14.00 | flip^ | pupnik: http://pastebin.com/m6adbf939 |
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| 20:14.36 | pupnik | ty |
| 20:14.36 | flip^ | i forgot how much i hate pastebin's highlighting actually... too much formatting |
| 20:15.01 | keesj | I like http://paste-it.net/ |
| 20:15.51 | keesj | sleeptime.. 0x2bed |
| 20:15.57 | pupnik | cu |
| 20:16.04 | flip^ | nite |
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| 20:48.28 | sciboy | Hi. =D |
| 20:48.38 | flip^ | hey sciboy |
| 20:48.38 | _Monkey | i think sciboy is my username at gp32x? |
| 20:48.57 | sciboy | ... How can I get Monkey to say something different? |
| 20:49.38 | sciboy | flip^, You up to anything? |
| 20:50.33 | flip^ | sciboy: depends what you mean by 'anything'... idling online, lurking on forums, reading websites to alleviate persisting boredom... any of that count ;) |
| 20:50.46 | sciboy | Yeah. =) |
| 20:51.01 | sciboy | It's not much, but it's still something. |
| 20:51.05 | flip^ | Only just ;) |
| 20:51.20 | flip^ | For a moment I thought you were going to offer something better to entertain me :) |
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| 20:51.35 | sciboy | Nah, I was just curious. |
| 20:51.59 | flip^ | I'm pondering installing bomberman on my n800 atm |
| 20:52.16 | sciboy | Under emulation? |
| 20:52.43 | flip^ | nah, from https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=154 |
| 20:53.56 | sciboy | Maemo-recorder has been pretty useful lately. |
| 20:54.26 | sciboy | It's nice having a recorder to brain dump into that I can revisit later. |
| 20:54.55 | sciboy | Ugh, forum spam. |
| 20:55.25 | Disconnect | works better than nothing since i tend to remember recording it (or sketching it or..) but i never reference it |
| 21:00.50 | t_s_o | http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ <- showed up on the openmoko mailing list. could it work on maemo also? |
| 21:02.32 | sciboy | Disconnect, It's like your own private therapy sessions, minus the psychiatrist and the little leprechaun who likes burning things. |
| 21:03.04 | Disconnect | lol |
| 21:03.48 | Jaffa | keesj: yeah, agree with what you said on it. Was just about to reply myself... |
| 21:04.00 | sciboy | pupnik, I like my lemurs blue. |
| 21:04.07 | sciboy | They just taste better. |
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| 21:13.51 | sciboy | Gosh I don't like spammers. |
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| 21:14.19 | skibur_ | hello |
| 21:14.20 | _Monkey | salut, skibur_ |
| 21:14.30 | sciboy | I mean yes, I enjoy expanding my vocabulary with such beauties as "MEGA-DICK", but it wastes so much resources... |
| 21:14.42 | skibur_ | I'm thinking of buying N800 |
| 21:14.57 | skibur_ | Does it have bash? |
| 21:15.11 | sciboy | skibur_, It has a terminal, busybox I think |
| 21:15.28 | flip^ | I think you can get bash on it, but I've not actually needed to as yet |
| 21:15.34 | skibur_ | I use irssi, does it have it? |
| 21:15.41 | skibur_ | o ok |
| 21:15.45 | flip^ | there's a package you can download for irssi, yeah |
| 21:15.53 | sciboy | I prefer XChat personally. |
| 21:16.07 | MoRpHeUz | skibur_: http://downloads.maemo.org/ |
| 21:16.24 | skibur_ | I'm a developer for "DSLinux" (Linux for the Nintendo DS). |
| 21:16.48 | skibur_ | o ok |
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| 21:17.57 | timeless | installing a bash debian package would almos certainly break things very badly |
| 21:19.22 | sciboy | skibur_, Thanks for reminding me, I want to check up on that. |
| 21:19.55 | skibur_ | On DSLinux? |
| 21:20.01 | sciboy | Yeah. |
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| 21:20.09 | skibur_ | if you need anything |
| 21:20.12 | doublec | i played with DSLinux a bit |
| 21:20.18 | sciboy | I've since sold my DS though. |
| 21:20.21 | doublec | a while ago tho. pretty nifty. |
| 21:21.17 | skibur_ | let me know |
| 21:21.32 | skibur_ | it has graphics now |
| 21:21.45 | skibur_ | it has improved so much |
| 21:22.09 | skibur_ | it can now launch Pixil |
| 21:22.17 | sciboy | Cool! |
| 21:22.19 | skibur_ | an embedded pda app |
| 21:22.28 | skibur_ | still needs work |
| 21:22.48 | sciboy | To be entirely honest, I didn't expect you guys to get graphics going. |
| 21:22.56 | skibur_ | ViewML is a nice web browser with graphics, bit slow, but will improve as well |
| 21:23.01 | skibur_ | lol |
| 21:23.06 | skibur_ | skibur.com |
| 21:23.12 | skibur_ | http://skibur.com |
| 21:23.23 | skibur_ | some pictures |
| 21:23.26 | skibur_ | of pixil |
| 21:23.58 | sciboy | Wow, much further along than I expected. |
| 21:24.12 | Jaffa | timeless: dunno if there's any chance to fix it before IT OS 2008; or if it's already released, but I've just raised https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2186 against microb. |
| 21:25.20 | skibur_ | :) |
| 21:25.49 | sciboy | skibur_, Kudos to all the devs. =P |
| 21:30.09 | skibur_ | Can the N800 be loaded with a different distro? |
| 21:31.43 | sciboy | Any you have in mind? |
| 21:32.22 | Disconnect | skibur_: in theory, yes. in practice, no.. |
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| 21:40.38 | Tak | ugh |
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| 21:51.23 | Tak | yay, total reflash again |
| 21:58.14 | X-Fade_ | Tak: Install OS on MMC :) That will save you a lot of trouble.. |
| 21:58.52 | Tak | heh |
| 21:59.31 | X-Fade_ | That way you always have a safe boot. And you can mount the 'crashed' partition.. |
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| 22:02.19 | keesj | re |
| 22:02.37 | keesj | skibur_: checkout http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona |
| 22:04.02 | X-Fade_ | there is a control.in? |
| 22:04.06 | X-Fade_ | oops ;) |
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| 22:51.08 | flip^ | timeless: you about? |
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| 22:52.16 | flip^ | I'm curious as to whether the OS2008 thumb keyboard has changed its layout at all, or if it (or the 2007 version) is customisable at all? it's quite a nuisance typing urls and having to switch to basic symbol display to get a / character ;) |
| 22:52.50 | Atarii | and the weird placing of the enter and delete keys |
| 22:54.26 | pupnik_ | hehe found out to enable .htaccess i have to pay 5x as much for the site :/ |
| 22:54.56 | flip^ | pupnik_: just go with the php script or host it somewhere else then ;) |
| 23:01.12 | db48x | sp3000: got a minute? I need to stop mirob from having it's stdout redirected to /dev/null, and I'm told you might know how to do that. |
| 23:03.55 | sciboy | !ping |
| 23:05.16 | szucsati | pong |
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| 23:09.42 | sciboy | Good, got disconnected for a bit there. |
| 23:15.24 | skibur_ | anybody on n800 right now? |
| 23:16.08 | db48x | I am |
| 23:17.14 | szucsati | me too |
| 23:17.31 | szucsati | playing with maemo mapper |
| 23:18.59 | pupnik_ | Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice? |
| 23:19.01 | sciboy | I am, just reading, listening to music etc. |
| 23:20.00 | sciboy | No, because it's sitll 50/50 |
| 23:20.01 | db48x | pupnik_: yes, but more importantly, why do you ask? |
| 23:20.31 | pupnik_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem was just quiet in #maemo |
| 23:20.43 | szucsati | has any1 tried any non official car mount for n800?ű |
| 23:22.32 | sp3000 | db48x: hmm |
| 23:23.58 | szucsati | :D |
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| 23:30.12 | sp3000 | pupnik_: what if you prefer goats? |
| 23:31.12 | skibur_ | is N800 a good buy? |
| 23:33.44 | rafl | i wouldn't know why not. |
| 23:34.05 | astro76 | it's an absolute steal with the price reduction |
| 23:36.23 | skibur_ | $239? |
| 23:36.34 | astro76 | that's about right |
| 23:36.49 | astro76 | I paid $230, amazon now has it for $236 |
| 23:37.06 | skibur_ | yeah |
| 23:37.13 | skibur_ | I'm seeing it right now |
| 23:37.20 | skibur_ | when did you buy it? |
| 23:37.35 | astro76 | about a week ago |
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| 23:37.42 | skibur_ | are you pleased? |
| 23:37.51 | skibur_ | or would you buy a N810? |
| 23:38.10 | astro76 | no, no way I can justify an n810, the price on the n800 is so cheap |
| 23:38.18 | astro76 | just add $50 gps module and you're set |
| 23:38.45 | skibur_ | but the keyboard |
| 23:38.45 | _Monkey | rumour has it the keyboard is important to have |
| 23:39.23 | rafl | skibur_: i'd rather use an external bluetooth keyboard. those tend to be way more usable than the small keyboard the n810 has. |
| 23:39.24 | cesman | skibur_: would you pay $200+ for a keyboard? |
| 23:39.46 | astro76 | skibur_, the finger touch keyboard is essentially the same thing |
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| 23:40.00 | skibur_ | hum... A Keyboard+GPS+400MHZ |
| 23:40.15 | skibur_ | for $200 |
| 23:40.23 | rafl | skibur_: afaik the n800 will run at 400 mhz as well if you use os2008. |
| 23:40.23 | skibur_ | got a point |
| 23:40.40 | astro76 | rafl, really? interesting |
| 23:40.43 | rafl | skibur_: it seems to be underclocked at something like 300 mhz righ tnow. |
| 23:41.05 | Jaffa | pupnik_: you switch. Wikipedia explains it, anyone who says it's still 50/50 is wrong. Anyone who says it's 50/50 after having it explained to them is not grasping it. |
| 23:41.14 | astro76 | skibur_, and yes I'm absolutely thrilled with it ;) |
| 23:41.27 | sp3000 | db48x: maemo-summoner /usr/bin/browser.launch, apparently |
| 23:41.43 | skibur_ | I'm on amazon right now |
| 23:41.53 | cesman | not that I use it all that often, bu tthe position and flexibility of the camera on the N800 is better than the N810 |
| 23:41.57 | skibur_ | its waiting for me to press the button |
| 23:41.59 | skibur_ | :) |
| 23:42.08 | astro76 | :D |
| 23:42.23 | cesman | I personally don't see an overwhelming need to get a N810 while I already have a N800 |
| 23:42.38 | rafl | well.. I think the camera is kinda unusable anyway, so its position wouldn't matter much to me. |
| 23:42.44 | skibur_ | I have a feeling that if I buy it, I will leave dslinux (nintendo DS with linux) |
| 23:42.53 | skibur_ | maybe start developing for N800 |
| 23:44.49 | Atarii | ooo i use dslinux :p |
| 23:47.01 | db48x | sp3000: hrm, that crashes |
| 23:50.04 | sp3000 | db48x: with or without maemo-summoner, in what env? |
| 23:50.45 | sp3000 | I just get all the glib criticals we all know and love so I know it's working :P |
| 23:51.28 | db48x | oh, but I already had a copy of the browser running |
| 23:51.49 | db48x | which I already know causes it to crash |
| 23:52.02 | db48x | hrm, this still isn't working |
| 23:53.28 | sp3000 | ? |
| 23:54.22 | db48x | sp3000: the browser still doesn't print to the console when I use the javascript dump() function |
| 23:55.55 | db48x | stdout is no longer redirected though, which is nice |
| 23:57.31 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 23:57.43 | sp3000 | I seem to be connectiong to javascript:dump('hi') |
| 23:58.05 | db48x | yea, I noticed that :) |
| 23:58.15 | db48x | I'm using an html file |
