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| 02:57.07 | sparr | i think im going to sell my 770s |
| 02:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | They make wonderful couch/nightstand machines. |
| 02:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | Blue the extra batteries for your N800. |
| 02:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/Blue/Plus |
| 03:02.32 | pupnik | for the OMAP geeks, i just saw that TI demonstrated OMAP 3430s running up to 1GHz |
| 03:03.32 | pupnik | But afaict production units will be much lower at first. |
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| 03:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Still, sweet. |
| 03:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | If only the N810 had been the N900. :D |
| 03:09.48 | pupnik | yeah by oct 2008 i expect we can have dosbox running at 386 speeds |
| 03:11.03 | pupnik | along with fullspeed 8/16 bit console emulation, fullspeed amiga, fullspeed playstation 1 |
| 03:11.44 | pupnik | quake 3 with opengl etc |
| 03:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be like carrying around a little magical rectangle. |
| 03:12.53 | pupnik | that's exactly how i feel about my 770 :) |
| 03:13.12 | pupnik | little magical rectangle is my phrase of the day :) thx |
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| 03:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 05:14.51 | zerojay | Internet Tablet Talk (itT) will be moving to a bigger, faster server this weekend. Thanks to everyone, the site has grown exponentially. The site will have limited access from 12:01 AM (EST) of 10/27/2007 and hopefully be back by 10/29/2008 or earlier. |
| 05:15.02 | zerojay | 10/29/2008? An update that takes a year? ;) |
| 05:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 05:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | They're approaching a black hole |
| 05:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | So time's slowing down for them. |
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| 05:34.07 | pupnik | good one :) |
| 05:34.18 | pupnik | That's my kinda deadline. |
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| 06:45.08 | czr | mornink |
| 06:46.34 | czr | maybe they're just being extra careful while copy-pasting each article content with notepad to the new server |
| 06:46.51 | czr | or, even better, they print out everything on paper and rewrite it to the new system |
| 06:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | OCR FTW |
| 06:49.57 | czr | the C in OCR reminds me that I need to put the coffee on |
| 06:50.16 | czr | in order not to be caught by the black hole |
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| 08:40.12 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:25.11 | bedboi | hi all |
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| 10:09.31 | pupnik | Anyone planning to fly within the US? http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/ |
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| 10:10.09 | unique311 | morning |
| 10:10.09 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:10.40 | unique311 | monkey es un roboto. |
| 10:10.41 | pupnik | The Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security are quietly pushing for a set of crazy new rules. All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials and official clearance before every flight, both within the United States as well as internationally. |
| 10:11.12 | unique311 | lol |
| 10:11.22 | unique311 | thank god i don't travel. |
| 10:11.28 | unique311 | international that is.. |
| 10:11.45 | unique311 | NWO bring it on. |
| 10:12.19 | unique311 | why would this be needed for national flights.. |
| 10:12.35 | pupnik | <click> |
| 10:13.29 | pupnik | Just you know - some people here might want to make business trips |
| 10:13.44 | pupnik | and then consider buying a n810 instead and just doing the meeting over video chat |
| 10:14.18 | unique311 | pretty sure thats not going to happen. |
| 10:14.31 | pupnik | videoconferencing |
| 10:14.41 | unique311 | the new rules |
| 10:15.09 | pupnik | It's bin finalized. They go into effect Feb 19, 2008 |
| 10:15.52 | pupnik | Ron Paul just introduced a bill to the congress to restore the Bill of Rights and the Constitution |
| 10:16.28 | unique311 | good news...i'm over playing videos on my n800....yesterday a friend gave me a brand new ipod video...30GB |
| 10:16.32 | unique311 | so happy.. |
| 10:17.04 | pupnik | that's pretty expensive |
| 10:17.37 | unique311 | not that expensive i don't think.. |
| 10:17.59 | unique311 | i'll give it up in a heartbeat...for a touch.. |
| 10:18.01 | unique311 | 8GB |
| 10:18.11 | gla55 | display is small on video ipod |
| 10:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding |
| 10:19.21 | unique311 | yeah..but it plays video so well..i don't mind it being. |
| 10:19.38 | GeneralAntilles | N800 plays video well, too. |
| 10:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | and it has a bigger screen. ;) |
| 10:19.53 | unique311 | lots of already converted video if you know where to look. |
| 10:20.13 | unique311 | GeneralAntilles, you have a comeback for that one? ;) |
| 10:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Jaffa's mediaserv. |
| 10:20.29 | unique311 | danm... |
| 10:20.37 | unique311 | damn |
| 10:20.42 | gla55 | the bonus on video ipod is of course that you have storage... |
| 10:21.18 | unique311 | hey it was free....i am happy very much. still love my n800... |
| 10:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | re-encoder for the N800 is faster than bittorrenting for iPod movies, anyway. ;) |
| 10:21.47 | unique311 | no.. |
| 10:22.06 | unique311 | google torrentflux my friend.. |
| 10:22.55 | unique311 | i would go into details...but im not sure if these type of talks are allowed. |
| 10:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | Wish I still had my connection at home so I could send the transcoded video over the internet. |
| 10:28.30 | unique311 | hmm the 27... |
| 10:29.01 | unique311 | so one thread in IT was wrong about the new OS making its debut on the 26. |
| 10:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | If only. |
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| 11:44.20 | _|Nix|_ | rxvt |
| 11:44.23 | _|Nix|_ | Sorry :o) |
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| 12:35.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/pupnik: IT OS 2008 can also apparently play, for example, PSP-targetted videos from Google Video etc. |
| 12:36.13 | alterego | oooOOOOoooo |
| 12:36.25 | alterego | :) |
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| 12:50.37 | alterego | qemu is throwing up unsupported syscalls all over the place. |
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| 14:03.52 | chx | with the Nokia N810, does anyone know whether Google maps and GPS is connected? ie. does google maps know automatically where i am? |
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| 14:04.39 | Jaffa | NAFAIK. There's no Google Maps application, so nothing to look at the GPS. |
| 14:05.23 | chx | well, there is the Opera browser -- I thought maybe they did something... cool.... a change to the browser... a plugin... to make this psosible |
| 14:05.27 | chx | would be awesome |
| 14:05.33 | Robot101 | chx: a seperate app like a Google Maps application or something like Maemo mapper can do that, but there's no way to read the GPS location from inside the browser |
| 14:05.44 | Robot101 | the browser is Mozilla-based in the N810 |
| 14:05.56 | Robot101 | so you could always submit a patch :) |
| 14:05.58 | Jaffa | The N810 doesn't have Opera ;-). Exposing user's co-ordinates to every random website would be a massive breach of privacy, too. |
| 14:05.59 | chx | oh. |
| 14:06.08 | chx | without a doubt. |
| 14:06.10 | Robot101 | but I think it's more likely that people will write standalone apps |
| 14:06.15 | chx | surely there needs to be control |
| 14:06.27 | Jaffa | Could be whitelisted, though - I suppose. Could be cool; but there's no standard for it |
| 14:06.27 | Robot101 | we've been playing with the idea of adding some support for location into Telepathy |
| 14:06.40 | Robot101 | particularly on XMPP there's a standard for publishing geoloc stuff |
| 14:06.42 | chx | Telepathy? |
| 14:06.45 | Robot101 | put your buddies on a map, that kind of thing :) |
| 14:06.59 | Robot101 | the real-time communications framework that the N8x0 and 770 uses |
| 14:07.06 | Robot101 | for XMPP and SIP as shipped |
| 14:07.06 | chx | Ah, OK |
| 14:07.13 | chx | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ this? |
| 14:07.30 | Robot101 | yeah |
| 14:08.19 | chx | I am not happy over the browser being Mozilla based :( Opera is far superior IMO but ah well. |
| 14:09.02 | Robot101 | there's an abstraction layer, you can probably copy opera off an N800 and onto the N810 image and convince it to use it still, with some hackery, but I think the Nokians were right to support free software |
| 14:09.12 | Robot101 | mozilla's not gonna get better unless people use it |
| 14:09.35 | Jaffa | I can understand people saying Opera is superior on the desktop (where it provides feature X, Y and Z that - say - Firefox doesn't), but I want a web browser that works with more websites on my tablet; and that's Mozilla, not Opera. |
| 14:11.32 | chx | Well, could be. I am an Opera user on my desktop and it indeed provides a much more integrated experience than firefox. It's like a quality furcoat compared to a patchwork coat |
| 14:12.41 | zoran | you could always change the way you see the things |
| 14:12.41 | alterego | Firefox has come a long way. |
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| 14:13.02 | alterego | Microbe isn't firefox though :P |
| 14:13.20 | alterego | Microbe is like firefox in that we can write extensions for it. That is sweet. |
| 14:13.33 | chx | and I am a FLOSS developer... which probably explains my disdain towards Mozilla -- severe bugs open for years makes me go :( |
| 14:13.36 | eichi | hello, i cant delete or move files on my sd card. it allways says: write-protected. i dont think so.. :( mount says, its rw mounted |
| 14:13.46 | Jaffa | Microb is like Firefox in that it has a shiny Gecko rendering engine. As a web developer, that's what I like most. Although, I've been bitten by long-standing bugs too. |
| 14:14.02 | alterego | Yeah |
| 14:14.10 | zoran | eichi, it says all |
| 14:14.28 | Jaffa | eichi: perhaps the file is write-protected? |
| 14:14.38 | chx | anyways. I can't wait to put my hand on two new Nokia gadgets -- E51 being the other. |
| 14:14.44 | playya | eichi, maybe the switch on the card? |
| 14:15.09 | chx | playya: i do not think mount would mount rw a physically write protected card. |
| 14:15.37 | playya | maybe |
| 14:17.04 | chx | My favorite question: anyone tried to put the full LAMP stack on the N810 already? |
| 14:17.44 | zoran | chx, there is a small number of people traveling into the future |
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| 14:19.16 | zoran | what P stands for? php or perl? |
| 14:19.31 | Robot101 | zoran: yeah, or python |
| 14:19.33 | eichi | playya, nice idea with hardare switch. i tried, but doenst help |
| 14:19.44 | zoran | so, everything is already here |
| 14:19.52 | chx | PHP |
| 14:20.11 | zoran | there is smaller server instead of apache |
| 14:20.14 | chx | I so want mysql-server , webserver (apache preferred but i am not picky) and PHP on it. |
| 14:20.21 | Robot101 | why?! |
| 14:20.33 | zoran | hm, little one script db instead :( |
| 14:21.01 | celesteh | you want to serve websites from your n8x0? |
| 14:21.19 | chx | no. type /whois chx . |
| 14:21.32 | zoran | chx, you could have small factor pc for not so big sum of money |
| 14:21.50 | chx | zoran: 4" 800x480 screen PC , where? |
| 14:21.53 | celesteh | ah, ok. reasonable |
| 14:21.57 | zoran | yep |
| 14:22.08 | chx | esp with a *keyboard* |
| 14:22.08 | zoran | ah, I see! |
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| 14:22.19 | zoran | but you need just server side |
| 14:22.25 | chx | yes, this is a PHP CMS |
| 14:22.36 | chx | use case: you are standing in some queue. |
| 14:22.55 | chx | it's a waste of time -- but it can be used for perfectly to quickly fix a bug or two |
| 14:23.04 | zoran | to go somewhere and say: 'Take a look, folks, what this dude has!" |
| 14:23.18 | Robot101 | ssh? :) |
| 14:23.27 | chx | that's not always available |
| 14:23.39 | chx | zoran: for that I have my laptop already, thanks. :) |
| 14:23.50 | zoran | how E51 comes into the story? |
| 14:23.58 | chx | I need a phone to connect |
| 14:24.14 | chx | one that has decent connectivity options |
| 14:24.29 | zoran | looks similar to 6120 |
| 14:24.31 | chx | out of the available HSDPA phones , E51 seems best. |
| 14:24.33 | celesteh | you might be able to cross compile ins cratchbox |
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| 14:24.42 | disq | e51 out yet? |
| 14:24.58 | chx | no, but is N810 out yet :) ? |
| 14:25.00 | zoran | I see it on the local phone site |
| 14:25.03 | disq | dunno, 6120classic looks nice. but doesn't have wireless like the e51 does |
| 14:25.21 | chx | and E51 --compared to knowledge-- is cheap. |
| 14:25.33 | zoran | what sum of $? |
| 14:25.35 | chx | zoran: where do you see it...? |
| 14:25.53 | zoran | www.mobilnisvet.com |
| 14:26.11 | suihkulokki | disq: for wireless you allways have your tablet ;) |
| 14:26.13 | zoran | hm, not in the store yet |
| 14:26.14 | chx | I have seen E51 on ebay.de for 280EUR or so. |
| 14:26.43 | zoran | little big to be sexy |
| 14:26.46 | chx | http://cgi.ebay.de/Handy-Nokia-E51-EMAIL-WLAN-MP3-PLAYER-UMTS_W0QQitemZ130166549903QQihZ003QQcategoryZ123141QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:28.01 | zoran | 6233 could do the job with 3g |
| 14:28.12 | zoran | similar outlook |
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| 14:30.49 | gla55 | e51 is pretty small |
| 14:31.03 | zoran | 114 |
| 14:31.23 | zoran | almost 1 cm more than 6233 |
| 14:31.24 | gla55 | thinner than 6233 |
| 14:31.40 | gla55 | 108 x 46.5 x 18 mm |
| 14:31.45 | Jaffa | mediaserv v0.04 out: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=87743&posted=1#post87743 - will do proper announcement on maemopeople when I've taken a video demonstrating it. |
| 14:31.53 | gla55 | thats 6233, e51 115 x 47 x 12 mm |
| 14:32.13 | zoran | lemme c |
| 14:32.45 | zoran | 108x46x18 |
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| 14:33.48 | eichi | if i try "rm -rf" it says. cant remove, read-only filesystem |
| 14:33.50 | eichi | :( |
| 14:34.14 | disq | suihkulokki: i'm not a fan of wifi capable phones, just saying |
| 14:34.25 | chx | eichi: what capacity...? |
| 14:34.34 | gla55 | most of the ime it's useless.. if you got 3g coverage and a good plan |
| 14:34.37 | chx | disq: it's nice to have at hand. just in case. |
| 14:34.42 | gla55 | +t |
| 14:35.01 | chx | Well, check Canada data plans and ... you need wifi there . |
| 14:35.02 | zoran | eichi, did you "mount -r"? |
| 14:35.10 | eichi | chx, 2gb |
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| 14:35.39 | eichi | zoran, ? |
| 14:35.49 | zoran | did you mount it read only? |
| 14:35.59 | zoran | and what fs? |
| 14:36.06 | eichi | mount says (rw) |
| 14:36.07 | eichi | vfat |
| 14:36.17 | chx | eichi: ah. i asked because ther are nonstandard 4GB SD cards (not SDHC) I own one and various devices go bonkers with various errors |
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| 14:36.59 | eichi | chx, maybe this one is too. but it worked many weeks now without problems |
| 14:37.14 | eichi | but now it doesnt work at all |
| 14:37.59 | zoran | eichi, could you make ext2 on it? |
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| 14:39.00 | zoran | nokia shows picture of e51 |
| 14:39.07 | eichi | zoran, i dont know, wheater the n800 can use ext2/3 |
| 14:39.27 | zoran | it can |
| 14:39.39 | zoran | you just need extra libs |
| 14:39.57 | zoran | and load the module |
| 14:41.48 | playya | the ext lib are shipped with maemo dont they? |
| 14:41.53 | zoran | what phone would be fine for 770/800/810 + 3g |
| 14:42.19 | alterego | I think people like the N95 |
| 14:42.53 | playya | yes |
| 14:43.02 | playya | the n95 8gb is great |
| 14:43.04 | zoran | abput 450 euros |
| 14:43.13 | playya | or an openmoko |
| 14:43.13 | _Monkey | an openmoko is NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) |
| 14:43.33 | zoran | could Jiten say his personal opinion about 6120? |
| 14:43.37 | alterego | Are they even out yet? |
| 14:43.42 | eichi | zoran, e2fslibs and e2fsprogs? |
| 14:43.46 | zoran | yes |
| 14:43.57 | zoran | to make fs |
| 14:44.12 | zoran | ans sfdisk to make partitions |
| 14:44.28 | alterego | I just used my laptop. |
| 14:44.35 | Jiten | opinion on which parts? I haven't really used it for much else than normal phonecalling and as an alarm clock (it's missing a timer, though that's probably easy to fix by downloading a timer program) |
| 14:44.44 | Jiten | other than that, it has hsdpa |
| 14:44.52 | zoran | are you happy with that? |
| 14:45.16 | alterego | Handy feature when it's plugged into USB .. |
| 14:45.25 | zoran | battery and all people do to phone |
| 14:45.49 | Jiten | yes, very. especially now since I've just moved and ADSL is lagging a couple of days |
| 14:45.56 | chx | Nokia 6301 seems interesting, too |
| 14:46.08 | chx | Not 3G, though...? |
| 14:46.24 | zoran | Jiten, is it a quality made phone? |
| 14:46.57 | Jiten | anyway, battery life. 3G mode if you just use it as a phone, you'll be recharging it once or twice a week. More if you talk a lot. |
| 14:47.13 | zoran | not so much |
| 14:47.21 | zoran | how about no 3g mode? |
| 14:47.36 | Jiten | 2G mode the battery lasts at least a week in my use. |
| 14:47.42 | zoran | cool |
| 14:47.57 | alterego | 1G mode? |
| 14:47.57 | Jiten | I don't call muich |
| 14:48.14 | zoran | 1g mode == talk in person |
| 14:48.34 | Jiten | anyway, the phone feels solid. |
| 14:48.35 | alterego | Yeah, how does it fair in that regard? |
| 14:48.49 | Jiten | (physically) |
| 14:49.04 | zoran | and the traffic is low that way |
| 14:49.07 | Jiten | much better built than my old el cheapo model :) |
| 14:49.18 | zoran | in hungary |
| 14:49.36 | chx | After looking around for all , I still feel like buying an E51 :) |
| 14:49.38 | zoran | reviewers say slipy back cover |
| 14:50.04 | Jiten | in 6120? slippy as in slips off accidentally and often? not possible. |
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| 14:50.19 | zoran | moves for 1 or mm |
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| 14:50.20 | Jiten | my strength is barely enough to get it off. |
| 14:50.24 | zoran | in revews |
| 14:50.45 | zoran | I like it as you talk about it |
| 14:50.57 | zoran | reviews say a lot of things |
| 14:51.09 | zoran | totally opsite one to another |
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| 14:51.23 | Jiten | it does move a bit, but less than a mm |
| 14:51.37 | Jiten | not enough to notice unless you try moving it |
| 14:52.18 | zoran | the most concerning to me is: does it heat as reviews say? |
| 14:52.35 | zoran | some people post they cannot hold it by ear |
| 14:52.39 | alterego | I'm not so much a fan of the E series. |
| 14:52.45 | alterego | Too blackberry like .. |
| 14:52.52 | alterego | Which I don't like either. |
| 14:52.58 | zoran | e51 looks like 6120 |
| 14:53.27 | zoran | if look buys, I'd take 6233 |
| 14:53.28 | chx | alterego: what's the catch? |
| 14:53.44 | alterego | chx, ? |
| 14:54.30 | Jiten | zoran: it does tend to heat sometimes ... though not always. I'm not completely sure what causes it. |
| 14:54.36 | suihkulokki | heat? wtf? atleast my 6120 doesn't. |
| 14:54.45 | Jiten | at the moment I suspect signal strength |
| 14:54.50 | alterego | O_o |
| 14:54.57 | alterego | Maybe your battery is frying. |
| 14:55.02 | alterego | You should be careful |
| 14:55.19 | zoran | people thing the speaker |
| 14:55.23 | zoran | *think |
| 14:55.39 | zoran | or strong cpu |
| 14:56.01 | Jiten | the cpu is the same speed as in n800 |
| 14:56.12 | zoran | arm11 |
| 14:57.00 | zoran | suihkulokki, could you find where your phone is made? |
| 14:57.27 | suihkulokki | hungary, methinks |
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| 14:57.44 | zoran | yes, reviews point that |
| 14:57.55 | chx | Yes. Komarom. |
| 14:58.25 | chx | In some distant past I was Hungarian |
| 14:59.04 | zoran | lived there? |
| 14:59.10 | chx | born there |
| 14:59.11 | suihkulokki | mm.. at home and work (the places I most end up calling with it) the 3g coverage is full bars |
| 14:59.12 | chx | lived there |
| 14:59.20 | chx | got sick of Hungarian citizens |
| 14:59.20 | chx | left |
| 14:59.38 | suihkulokki | so it could theoretically heat up more when at the edge of 3g coverage |
| 14:59.40 | zoran | central europe with all + and - |
| 14:59.41 | alterego | Can anyone link be to that blog post about multiple maemo sdk targets that was posted last week? |
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| 14:59.56 | chx | I missed the memo about the + |
| 14:59.59 | Jiten | suihkulokki: could be. your 6120 doesn't heat up |
| 15:00.01 | lopz | hola |
| 15:00.02 | Jiten | ? |
| 15:00.18 | zoran | suihkulokki, what is you chose just gsm? |
| 15:00.37 | suihkulokki | haven't tried it |
| 15:01.32 | Jiten | I'll have to test the heating up a bit more but I suspect it is the signal strength. Likely in 2G mode it happens less |
| 15:02.03 | zoran | I would liek to know the result prior buy it |
| 15:02.34 | Jiten | at least right now it's not hot. |
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| 15:04.52 | zoran | Jiten, is it ok if I ask you about the subject this days, when you have more data? |
| 15:05.17 | Jiten | zoran: sure, ask away |
| 15:05.24 | zoran | :) |
| 15:06.28 | Jiten | it could be that if you keep the phone in dual network mode (both gsm and umts), it won't heat up |
| 15:07.21 | Jiten | that way it'll use whichever network is better at any given location. |
| 15:07.42 | Jiten | my current location is rather peculiar. it's constantly switching between hsdpa and umts. sometimes even dropping to gprs |
| 15:08.27 | zoran | I'd rather use only 2g, gsm |
| 15:08.38 | gla55 | turn it to gsm only mode then |
| 15:08.53 | Jiten | that likely works too. gsm can't use as much power |
| 15:08.55 | zoran | yes, that way ot cold stay cold, probably |
| 15:09.43 | zoran | I recall reports about 6233 losing connection if dual mode set |
| 15:09.50 | Jiten | gla55: no reason, really. it doesn't cause problems with my internet use. |
| 15:10.06 | gla55 | Jiten: was referring to zoran |
| 15:10.23 | Jiten | ah, ok |
| 15:10.30 | zoran | k ,read |
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| 15:22.07 | sciboy | Hmmmm, may need to do a gecko wrapper with pixel doubling after all. =/ |
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| 15:27.50 | sciboy | Crap this would be so much easier with even basic video acceleration. =( |
| 15:35.39 | chx | there is no video acceleration at all o_O ? |
| 15:36.17 | wumpus | there is a yuv surface right? |
| 15:36.32 | wumpus | I mean, Xv support |
| 15:38.33 | Jiten | isn't there a library for really basic stuff that uses the dsp? |
| 15:39.24 | Jiten | scaling sounds like something that'd be very suitable for the dsp |
| 15:40.55 | wumpus | the problem is the the DSP can't interface with the LCD chip |
| 15:41.04 | wumpus | so that would mean a lot of data passing around |
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| 15:46.04 | sparr | GeneralAntilles: im replacing the 770 with a different device, no real reason to keep it around |
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| 15:46.19 | wumpus | Jiten: |
| 15:46.20 | wumpus | 17:41 <wumpus> the problem is the the DSP can't interface with the LCD chip |
| 15:46.21 | wumpus | 17:41 <wumpus> so that would mean a lot of data passing around |
| 15:46.39 | wumpus | I wish it could access the screen directlly otherwise you could do some very interesting things |
| 15:46.55 | Jiten | I see, that makes for abit of a problem |
| 15:47.35 | sixpence | Heya, i'm using my Nokia 770 to connect to my desktop VIA vnc client, and I always use SCREEN when running SSH or VNC for obvious reasons. Now, I can send commands to a terminal that I opened up on my vnc client and press enter (return key) on the tablet, no problem. But within screen I can only type, I cannot press enter, I press it and nothing happens. Any ideas? |
| 15:47.45 | wumpus | or maybe it can but we just don't know it, it used to be the case on the n770 that the dsp could write to the framebuffer |
| 15:48.08 | wumpus | back the, the device dsp inluded some video stuff, now it's purely audio |
| 15:48.15 | sparr | sixpence: off the top of my head, terminal emulation problem? |
| 15:48.27 | sixpence | sparr: It's urxvt, let me try it with xterm, hold on |
| 15:49.10 | sixpence | sparr: You were right. Thanks =D |
| 15:50.02 | sciboy | Damn, so that leaves me with either pygame or a gecko wrapper. |
| 15:50.41 | zerojay | to do what? |
| 15:50.52 | sciboy | Game development. |
| 15:50.54 | sixpence | sparr: now im talking to you from my tablet =) |
| 15:51.17 | sciboy | Just starting to grasp the limitations on the n800. |
| 15:52.23 | sciboy | I was hoping to do it through the browser and use gecko to take care of a lot for me, but it seems that it won't be able to handle any decent animation without pixel doubling. |
| 15:52.38 | Jiten | didn't n800 have a 3d acceleration chip that just can't be used? |
| 15:52.50 | Jiten | powervr or something |
| 15:52.50 | sparr | sciboy: if you want games, the gp2x is a far better platform, imho. im switching back soon. |
| 15:52.57 | sparr | sciboy: the new gp2x has a touch screen. |
| 15:53.00 | zerojay | You have to pay for the company to give you a kernel module to use the acceleration. |
| 15:53.08 | zerojay | The kernel module is only for Linux 2.4. |
| 15:53.10 | sparr | sciboy: ill miss debian packages, thats by far the #1 feature of the nokia devices |
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| 15:53.29 | zerojay | sparr: #1 pain, perhaps. |
| 15:53.43 | sparr | zerojay: pain? relative to what? |
| 15:53.45 | sciboy | sparr, I already have one, the N800 has a better chance in my case. |
| 15:53.52 | sparr | zerojay: imagine installing software WITHOUT them |
| 15:54.04 | zerojay | sparr: I'd be far happier. |
| 15:54.18 | sparr | seriously? major wtf |
| 15:54.44 | sciboy | I have to agree, being able to track updates alone is worth it. |
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| 15:55.00 | sparr | updating stuff on non-package-manager handhelds is omg-annoying |
| 15:55.27 | sparr | after using an Asus PDA and a GP2x as my handheld gaming systems for years, the package-ness of the 770 was a godsend |
| 15:55.41 | sparr | packages and wifi, in that order, are the two things im going to miss, moving back to a gp2x |
| 15:55.56 | zerojay | Why is it that you're moving back to the GP2X? |
| 15:56.01 | sparr | gaming |
| 15:56.01 | _Monkey | well, gaming is priority with gp2x |
| 15:56.18 | sparr | my handheld use is 80% gaming, 10% media, 10% PIM |
| 15:56.31 | zerojay | Better off with a PSP then. |
| 15:56.45 | sparr | homebrew on the PSP is a joke |
| 15:56.54 | zerojay | How's that? |
| 15:56.54 | amr | where can you buy a gp2x device? |
| 15:57.09 | sparr | amr: theres only a few places in the USA that have them, mostly order them from the UK or asia |
| 15:57.21 | amr | wow, i'm in the uk |
| 15:57.36 | zerojay | I'm still interested in getting a GP2X.. but I'm not sure if it's worth getting if the controller was as bad as the original was (which my friend had). |
| 15:57.41 | amr | i'm shocked that we have something that isn't popular in the us |
| 15:57.43 | sparr | amr: gp2x.co.uk |
| 15:57.44 | amr | gadget-wise |
| 15:57.44 | sciboy | I ordered mine inside australia. |
| 15:57.46 | amr | cool thanks |
| 15:58.20 | sparr | zerojay: the mk2 has a better joystick than the mk1 and the gp32. the F200, which JUST started shipping, has a d-pad. waiting to hear reviews on it |
| 15:58.28 | sciboy | Personally I think the GP2X kicks ass but the Maemo platform has more of a future with Nokia's backing and distribution. |
| 15:58.40 | zerojay | sparr: Yeah, I saw that.. it looks interesting. |
| 15:58.51 | zerojay | The GP2X can handle SNES at full speed yet? |
| 15:58.56 | amr | ~100 gbp |
| 15:58.59 | sciboy | Yep. |
| 15:59.00 | amr | i'm quite impressed |
| 15:59.08 | sparr | sciboy: i agree. if nokia built the ngage on maemo instead of on crap, it would succeed in the homebrew scene. |
| 15:59.15 | zerojay | Because last I saw, it couldn't. |
| 15:59.21 | amr | whats the screen like on them? |
| 15:59.27 | sparr | sciboy: the 770/800/810 could be decent gaming devices, if the d-pad didnt suck and it had more game-friendly buttons |
| 15:59.40 | sparr | screen on the gp2x? very nice. brighter than the 770, but less viewing angle |
| 15:59.43 | sciboy | sparr, The N800 would absolutely wipe out the competition if they'd just open up the PowerVR. |
| 15:59.47 | amr | what about resolution? |
| 15:59.51 | zerojay | sparr: And also if it was built from the start for gaming so that we'd have the video bandwidth, etc... |
| 15:59.54 | sparr | only QVGA :( |
| 15:59.58 | amr | supertux is a paint to play on my 770, i keep hitting the centre button |
| 16:00.12 | amr | :O thats tiny |
| 16:00.22 | zerojay | sciboy: That's not really Nokia's decision though. |
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| 16:00.33 | sparr | zerojay: yes it is. they have to pay to unlock it, but they could. |
| 16:00.45 | sciboy | zerojay, I know, cause if it was it'd be silly to let it go to waste. |
| 16:00.51 | zerojay | sparr: If they paid, they'd get a kernel module for Linux 2.4. |
| 16:00.56 | zerojay | We're on 2.6. |
| 16:01.06 | sparr | so, pay more :) |
| 16:01.13 | amr | heh |
| 16:01.14 | zerojay | Doesn't work that way. :) |
| 16:01.16 | sparr | rumor has it that TI has a decent development team |
| 16:01.29 | sciboy | I thought the new 2.6 drivers had support for the OMAP 2420? |
| 16:01.39 | wumpus | or someone would have to reverse engineer the powervr driver that's out there |
| 16:01.41 | amr | the first person to make a basic racing game (like a basic supertuxkart) that i can play on my 770 |
| 16:01.44 | amr | i will give $100 |
| 16:02.21 | sparr | supertuxkart? why not just tuxkart? |
| 16:02.27 | zerojay | I'd like to see Nokia pay to get it opened up, but honestly, it probably doesn't make much business sense for them to do so. |
| 16:02.29 | amr | well whichever |
| 16:02.41 | sparr | does it count if i just get SNES emulation working and run mario kart? |
| 16:03.02 | zerojay | sparr: Sure, if you want to play at ~5fps. :) |
| 16:03.02 | amr | if i can play it on my 770, sure :P |
| 16:03.16 | wumpus | I'd also like nokia to get it opened up and make a driver for it, but I have no confidence in that at all |
| 16:03.21 | sparr | gp2x runs mario kart at 20+ FPS... |
| 16:03.26 | sparr | hence me switching back |
| 16:03.33 | zerojay | ER.. |
| 16:03.37 | zerojay | Only 20+? |
| 16:03.41 | sparr | most of my gaming on the gp2x is emulation, thousands of great games |
| 16:03.46 | amr | or get me something that can play sonic the hedgehog :-) |
| 16:03.50 | zerojay | You'd be MUCH better off on the PSP. |
| 16:03.53 | sparr | zerojay: i dont overclock my gp2x unless i have to, exponential increase in battery usage |
| 16:04.01 | sciboy | I couldn't care less about emulation, homebrew is where it's at. |
| 16:04.04 | sparr | i regularly underclock |
| 16:04.13 | wumpus | indeed sciboy |
| 16:04.27 | wumpus | emulation doesn't use the full performance of the device anyway |
| 16:04.32 | sciboy | The GP2X has some nice contenders in that department. |
| 16:04.36 | sparr | sciboy: i disagree. literally thousands of great games for NES/SNES/Genesis/etc, all working for the effort of getting ONE program working |
| 16:04.43 | sciboy | Emulation just has a large library of games going for it though. |
| 16:04.45 | zerojay | wumpus: Emulation pushes hardware much more than any simple homebrew game does. |
| 16:04.54 | sparr | sciboy: do ports count as homebrew? |
| 16:05.06 | wumpus | sure, it pushes the hardware, but does not make effective use of it |
| 16:05.17 | timelyx | Robot101: fwiw, there is an implementation of GPS for MicroB (and MiniMo) |
| 16:05.21 | zerojay | Where do you get something like that? |
| 16:05.22 | wumpus | it runs much slower than a native game doing the same would |
| 16:05.37 | zerojay | That doesn't mean that it doesn't make effective use of it. |
| 16:05.44 | zerojay | Whatsoever. |
| 16:05.46 | sparr | i ported enigma to the gp2x |
| 16:05.48 | sparr | poorly |
| 16:05.49 | timelyx | Jaffa: fwiw, i've insisted that any real GPS browser impl include security |
| 16:05.55 | wumpus | it does, because it means you can do much more with the device if you made a native game |
| 16:05.55 | timelyx | and they're working on that now |
| 16:06.02 | amr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX_Fv_MzpKI :o |
| 16:06.08 | amr | os2006 running flash9 |
| 16:06.15 | zerojay | wumpus: Yes, but that has nothing to do with how hard the hardware is being pushed or how effective it is. |
| 16:06.16 | timelyx | chx: don't assume implementers think about control or privacy |
| 16:06.24 | timelyx | ime, having spoken to a number, they don't <period> |
| 16:06.37 | wumpus | well it does, I can a game that is programmed as efficient as possible for the hardware it runs on 'effective' |
| 16:06.42 | wumpus | call* |
| 16:06.50 | timelyx | Jaffa: actually, there's this DCCI stuff which is something like a standard |
| 16:06.51 | zerojay | wumpus: That doesn't mean that the emulation isn't being "effective". |
| 16:06.55 | sparr | wumpus: its a matter of scale. ill take a thousand games running at 80% of the devices native speed instead of ten games running at 100% |
| 16:07.10 | wumpus | I'm not talking about the amount of games anyway |
| 16:07.15 | sparr | assuming the games themselves are of equal quality |
| 16:07.29 | timelyx | chx: calling a browser that's 5 years old superior to a modern browser is foolish |
| 16:07.34 | sciboy | Anyway, am I right to think I'd be able to push decent animation from gecko if we used pixel doubling? |
| 16:08.08 | timelyx | _Monkey forget microbe |
| 16:08.09 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot microbe |
| 16:08.12 | timelyx | _Monkey microbe is <reply> |
| 16:08.13 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 16:08.22 | timelyx | alterego: Microbe is a typO |
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| 16:09.08 | sparr | sciboy: gecko, the mozilla engine? |
| 16:09.14 | sciboy | sparr, Yep. |
| 16:09.16 | timelyx | chx: the maemo devices are not aware of physical write protect. so mount will go rw |
| 16:09.29 | sparr | sciboy: is there a reason you cant use something lower level? |
| 16:09.42 | sciboy | sparr, Not a programmer and don't ever plan to be. |
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| 16:09.57 | timelyx | _Monkey forget an openmoko |
| 16:09.58 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot openmoko |
| 16:10.02 | timelyx | _Monkey an openmoko is <reply> |
| 16:10.03 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 16:10.03 | wumpus | indeed, it sounds like a bad idea to use something that high level on a relatively slow device, heck, even on a fast machine the gecko engine sometimes succeeds in being slow |
| 16:10.27 | sciboy | Well it's pretty imperative I have a graphical environment to work and script with. |
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| 16:10.32 | wumpus | it's good for rendering web pages, but real time games is a whole other thing |
| 16:10.56 | wumpus | though it's certainly possible |
| 16:11.10 | sciboy | I mean, Blenders Game Engine is quite nice in that department. |
| 16:11.14 | wumpus | just make a simple script and see what performance you get |
| 16:12.24 | sciboy | Don't know where to start. =/ |
| 16:13.17 | sciboy | But then again it's past 3AM, so I don't know where anything ends either. |
| 16:13.22 | wumpus | I wouldn't know either, I never considered a web browser as a gaming platform, you'd probably have to do some absolute positioning and html dom magic |
| 16:14.02 | wumpus | maybe start with one of those scripts that make a train of penguins behind the mouse cursor :P |
| 16:14.10 | zoran | maybe ajax? |
| 16:14.38 | wumpus | indeed, for online play |
| 16:15.06 | wumpus | but would be much more useful for a turn based game than a realtime one I think |
| 16:15.30 | zoran | sciboy could bring up http daemon and ... |
| 16:15.56 | chx | timelyx: the maemo device is not aware of the phyiscal protect...? htought the card reports itself read only. |
| 16:16.26 | timelyx | afa-w-ct whatever would be responsible for such a report is unavailable |
| 16:16.31 | sparr | http://game-editor.com/ <-- someone should pursue getting these guys to support maemo. they support linux in general, and gp2x specifically, so we know they can compile for ARM. |
| 16:16.38 | timelyx | possibly a certain line is not connected |
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| 16:17.12 | sciboy | wumpus, Huh? I thought you were referring to the pixel doubling. =/ |
| 16:17.56 | sciboy | wumpus, Scripting wise a trail of penguins is more complicated than anything I plan on doing. |
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| 16:43.54 | amr | weird, new tablet and i still can't copy more than 2mb over usb without it crashed |
| 16:43.57 | amr | crashing |
| 16:44.25 | sciboy | You've updated the firmware right? |
| 16:44.39 | alterego | Weird. |
| 16:44.43 | alterego | Maybe it's not the tablet .. |
| 16:45.17 | zoran | could not be tablet issue |
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| 16:48.03 | zerojay | amr: You didn't mention what exactly was crashing. |
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| 16:50.41 | amr | well that was fun, my macbook locked up |
| 16:50.52 | amr | it does the same thing when i try and copy things over usb on my brothers vista laptop |
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| 16:51.33 | amr | and for some reason i can connect to irc, but thats it, i can't do anything else like /join |
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| 16:52.07 | amr | oh, thats odd |
| 16:52.24 | amr2 | Indeed |
| 16:52.42 | zoran | twins? |
| 16:52.49 | erstazi | same hostname |
| 16:52.56 | amr | my tablet |
| 16:53.19 | zoran | amr, what fs is on your card? |
| 16:53.28 | amr | let me check |
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| 16:53.55 | amr | it doesn't tell me, i believe its fat |
| 16:54.41 | zoran | could be 16/32 |
| 16:55.12 | zoran | some apps for making new fs could read data from it |
| 16:55.28 | zoran | flag could be N or something |
| 16:56.32 | amr2 | Ill have a look after dinner |
| 16:56.34 | zerojay | Your cards could be read-only. |
| 16:57.38 | amr2 | I can write to it on my tablet and if i plug it into a card reader |
| 16:58.12 | zoran | be aware of fat16 restrictions |
| 16:58.15 | zerojay | We'll probably see an update to Claws Mail soon. Security hole found in it. |
| 16:59.21 | amr2 | How do you mean zoran? |
| 16:59.27 | sixpence | zerojay: I find Claws Mail rather useless compared to the stock nokia mail ap. |
| 16:59.43 | zerojay | sixpence: I don't use it either. Just warning people. |
| 16:59.53 | sixpence | zerojay: Alrighty |
| 17:01.03 | zerojay | And with Modest on the way.. not sure there will be much of a need for Claws anymore, but we'll see. |
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| 17:01.38 | sixpence | Modest? |
| 17:01.39 | _Monkey | Modest is an email client built on libtinymail |
| 17:01.49 | zerojay | sixpence: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:01.54 | sixpence | Neato. |
| 17:02.04 | sixpence | What i'm really trying to do is to get portage on my 770 =| |
| 17:02.15 | sixpence | Or some variation thereof. Has anything like this been done? |
| 17:02.19 | zerojay | It was meant to be the e-mail client for IT2008, but it didn't make it in time.. so we'll see a beta for it around the time IT2008 is released. |
| 17:02.22 | zerojay | sixpence: No, you don't. |
| 17:02.49 | zerojay | sixpence: The tablet doesn't really have the horsepower to compile much of anything in a decent amount of time. |
| 17:03.10 | sixpence | zerojay: I suppose you're right, I considered that being a problem. |
| 17:03.33 | zerojay | You can more or less forget anything more than smallish. |
| 17:03.42 | sixpence | Or DSL |
| 17:03.48 | zerojay | As a portage user myself, I understand wanting it. |
| 17:03.52 | sixpence | zerojay: Do you own bot a 770 and an 810? |
| 17:03.56 | alterego | portage? |
| 17:03.57 | sixpence | zerojay: Hehe. Gentoo? :D |
| 17:04.00 | zerojay | sixpence: Just a N800. |
| 17:04.04 | gla55 | ..what would be the advantage over apt-get? |
| 17:04.06 | zerojay | sixpence: Yep. |
| 17:04.14 | zerojay | gla55: Not dealing with apt-get. |
| 17:04.20 | sixpence | zerojay: Same. I'm actually on it right now. All my servers/systems run Gentoo |
| 17:04.25 | amr2 | Why compile for your device when they are all the same if you see what i mean |
| 17:04.31 | alterego | :/ |
| 17:04.32 | gla55 | amr2: exactly.. |
| 17:04.35 | alterego | Debian ftw |
| 17:04.44 | sixpence | Dian FTN (Nubs) |
| 17:04.46 | zerojay | amr2: Because I may not want all the features you do. |
| 17:04.47 | sixpence | Kidding. Kidding.. |
| 17:05.06 | alterego | Never heard of dian |
| 17:05.06 | sciboy | amr, You can have your racing game if someone can get the blender game engine working with super-low-poly scenes. =P |
| 17:05.09 | sixpence | zerojay: Yeah. It's really hard not being able to optimise compilation options like use flags and whatnot. |
| 17:05.42 | sixpence | optimize, even. |
| 17:05.48 | zerojay | sixpence: I'm not really worried about CFLAGS, but I don't like pulling dependencies that I'll never use, especially on a device that's as limited as the tablets. |
| 17:05.55 | alterego | sciboy, or to work with the power vr chip. |
| 17:05.58 | sixpence | zerojay: Precisely. |
| 17:06.11 | sixpence | zerojay: But I did get dwm working on the 770, which ras a huuge relief. |
| 17:06.15 | alterego | Probably requires too much power though. |
| 17:06.47 | zerojay | sixpence: What arch are you on? |
| 17:06.59 | sixpence | zerojay: amd_64 |
| 17:07.03 | sixpence | You? |
| 17:07.04 | _Monkey | You are doing this as root? |
| 17:07.14 | zerojay | sixpence: Same. |
| 17:07.22 | sixpence | zerojay: That's never good. |
| 17:07.25 | sciboy | alterego, I'd be happy enough just moving a dozen textured tri's around really, should be in the realm of software rendering at 300mhz |
| 17:07.34 | sixpence | Why would I settle for anything else with a 3.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 17:07.38 | alterego | sciboy, easily. |
| 17:07.40 | celesteh_away | _monkey forget root |
| 17:07.40 | _Monkey | celesteh_away: I forgot root |
| 17:07.49 | celesteh_away | _monkey, root is <reply> |
| 17:07.50 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh_away. |
| 17:07.53 | celesteh_away | root? |
| 17:07.55 | alterego | sciboy, quake II should run on the N800 under software. |
| 17:08.04 | celesteh_away | shhot |
| 17:08.05 | sciboy | alterego, It already does. |
| 17:08.06 | celesteh_away | shoot |
| 17:08.07 | alterego | Probably not too speedy though, as there's no FP. |
| 17:08.15 | celesteh_away | _monkey forget you |
| 17:08.16 | _Monkey | celesteh_away: I forgot you |
| 17:08.18 | zerojay | It'll run even better at 400mhz, when the tablets get IT2008. |
| 17:08.24 | sciboy | Really? I thought it did have an FPU, oh wll. |
| 17:08.25 | celesteh_away | _monkey you is <reply> |
| 17:08.26 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh_away. |
| 17:08.28 | sciboy | well* |
| 17:08.34 | celesteh_away | you? |
| 17:08.36 | alterego | No, |
| 17:08.37 | celesteh_away | ok |
| 17:08.40 | alterego | No FP |
| 17:09.32 | sixpence | zerojay: With DWM instead of the stock WM, I can use SSH with SCREEN on my server (comfortably) instead of VNC. Saves a lot of cpu usage. |
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| 17:09.57 | sixpence | zerojay: I'll do the same with my Windows box once I get netstat working. |
| 17:10.20 | zerojay | I'd do some ssh to my home box if it weren't running at 1680x1050. |
| 17:10.35 | zerojay | er.. |
| 17:10.37 | zerojay | I meant VNC. |
| 17:10.43 | sixpence | zerojay: Lol. |
| 17:10.47 | sixpence | zerojay: Yeah, you lost me for a sec |
| 17:10.49 | amr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.11 | zerojay | I don't feel like having to scroll all over the place. ;) |
| 17:11.32 | sixpence | zerojay: Which is why I prefer ssh to tabbed screen any day |
| 17:11.54 | zerojay | Modest should support IMAP perfectly... as tinymail, which it is based upon, does. |
| 17:12.18 | kala_ | anybody can successfully use Canola r2473M with Firefly media server svn-1586? It seems to start to send the mp3 faile to the Canola, but the 770 responds by connection reset. |
| 17:12.20 | sciboy | alterego, Well it stands, if they can get the blender game engine running under the N800 at a half-decent rate, I could easily design and develop games for it. (Probably at 400x240) |
| 17:13.11 | alterego | What's wrong with SDL and GTK? |
| 17:13.30 | sciboy | That's like comparing apples to cats. |
| 17:13.42 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 17:13.45 | amr2 | Lol |
| 17:13.51 | alterego | There are other free OSS game engines. |
| 17:13.58 | zerojay | clanlib. |
| 17:14.05 | sixpence | Does thoughtfix ever come in here? |
| 17:14.14 | zerojay | I think he does. |
| 17:14.19 | sciboy | But none nearly as easy for a graphically oriented developer like myself to work in. |
| 17:14.48 | alterego | Well, your obviously not wired to create games then :P |
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| 17:15.18 | sciboy | No I'm wired to work with established engines and tools. I'm an animator not a programmer. |
| 17:15.29 | zerojay | Is there a vmware image for the Chinook SDK? |
| 17:15.48 | alterego | Does the blender SDK have AI? |
| 17:15.54 | sciboy | I can still script physics and all that, but I don't have any patience for low-level programming. |
| 17:16.08 | alterego | You could use Python, |
| 17:16.23 | sciboy | I know, which is why I'm option for BlenderGE. |
| 17:16.27 | sciboy | It uses python scripting. |
| 17:16.33 | sciboy | opting* |
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| 17:16.57 | alterego | There's PyGame .. |
| 17:17.03 | sciboy | It comes down to the fact that I work inside graphical environments. |
| 17:17.12 | sciboy | Oh yay, SDL wrapper. >=| |
| 17:17.55 | alterego | It's pretty easy to develop games with SDL. |
| 17:18.09 | alterego | With Python, it should be easy for even you. |
| 17:18.20 | sciboy | Blender already has animation, audio, physics, rendering etc. handled and logic abstracted on a nice level. |
| 17:18.28 | alterego | Me, I don't really have any interest in games unfortunately. |
| 17:18.41 | sciboy | That means I can get right into the core gameplay instead of blitting. =/ |
| 17:18.53 | alterego | Blender is meant for desktop hardware. Not mobile hardware. |
| 17:19.04 | sciboy | Yup, but doesn't mean it won't work. |
| 17:19.14 | alterego | I think it does. |
| 17:19.20 | sciboy | BlenderPocjet |
| 17:19.22 | sciboy | pocket* |
| 17:19.23 | alterego | Have you tried compiling it? |
| 17:19.29 | alterego | BlenderPocket? |
| 17:19.39 | sciboy | http://russose.free.fr/BlenderPocket/ |
| 17:19.42 | alterego | That sounds promising. |
| 17:19.49 | sciboy | Just a test case that you might find interesting. |
| 17:20.04 | alterego | For Pocket PC. |
| 17:20.08 | alterego | Well, that might work. |
| 17:20.10 | sciboy | It doesn't have the game engine enabled but it shows blender can run under such environments. |
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| 17:20.50 | alterego | Erm |
| 17:22.09 | sciboy | The lowest-end hardware I've used blender on is a 200mhz laptop with 32mb of memory and no video acceleration and still managed realtime work. Although that's still a totally different ball-game since it had an FPU. =/ |
| 17:23.21 | alterego | I would quite like blender on the N800 .. |
| 17:23.42 | alterego | I don't really care about the game engine but the actual app would be funky. |
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| 17:24.02 | sciboy | I'm all about the game engine, that means I can develop games and content for the N800 piss easy. |
| 17:24.46 | sciboy | Even if I only got a dozen tri's and a low res. to work with. =P |
| 17:25.40 | alterego | That kind of sounds pointless. |
| 17:25.55 | sciboy | Why? |
| 17:26.15 | alterego | A dozen triangles .. |
| 17:26.22 | sciboy | I'm quite use to pseudo-3d content, such limitations are things I have no trouble working around. |
| 17:28.36 | alterego | Well, I might attempt to port it at. |
| 17:28.41 | sciboy | I only need 3 planes to do a simple 2d game, 6 is more than enough. |
| 17:28.51 | alterego | Ah, right. |
| 17:29.06 | sciboy | The more I get though, the more I can push the graphics and gameplay. |
| 17:29.14 | sciboy | That's just setting the minimum really. |
| 17:29.46 | alterego | Right |
| 17:29.48 | rafl | I wonder what a good way to debug networking problems with an n800 would be. |
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| 17:30.33 | amr2 | Weird.. Application manager says operation failed when i try and install an app |
| 17:30.48 | rafl | it authenticates properly, but only 1 out of 5 or 10 connections actually get established. And even if they are they seem to timeout or lag heavily. |
| 17:30.59 | rafl | other devices which are connected to the same wifi network work well though. |
| 17:31.17 | zerojay | rafl: Using Wireless N? |
| 17:31.26 | sciboy | alterego, Regardless of polies though it seems the N800 can't handle fast frame rates at the native resolution. |
| 17:31.41 | alterego | Yeah |
| 17:31.59 | sciboy | For editing that's not a problem, but game engine wise I'd have to jump to pixel doubling, frame rate is more important than resolution. |
| 17:32.00 | rafl | zerojay: what's that? |
| 17:32.30 | chx | zerojay: 802.11n?? these thingies support pre-N or what?? |
| 17:32.32 | zerojay | rafl: A wireless protocol used by routers. |
| 17:32.39 | zerojay | chx: No. |
| 17:32.53 | rafl | using 802.11g if that's what you're refering to. |
| 17:33.04 | chx | yah |
| 17:33.18 | zerojay | Most routers using N G B in mixed mode break G or B. |
| 17:33.21 | chx | there is an upcomign standard and you mentioning wireless n made me o_O |
| 17:34.25 | rafl | the router does a/b/g. |
| 17:35.21 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 17:35.47 | rafl | also happens with another router doing b/g only. |
| 17:36.24 | zerojay | Are you in Europe but bought a US tablet? |
| 17:37.26 | rafl | it says "made in finnland". |
| 17:37.27 | zerojay | US routers use channels 1-11, European routers use 1-13... so if your router is on 12 or 13 but you have a US tablet, it won't be able to connect. |
| 17:37.53 | rafl | the router uses channel 1. |
| 17:38.11 | zerojay | Try changing the channel. Might be too much interference. |
| 17:38.58 | rafl | aye |
| 17:40.58 | sciboy | alterego, So what would you compile it against for software GL? |
| 17:41.11 | alterego | sciboy, I don't know. |
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| 17:41.17 | alterego | It uses SDL right? |
| 17:41.27 | sciboy | And OpenGL |
| 17:41.27 | _Monkey | OpenGL is a bit of a pandora's box for the tablets |
| 17:41.43 | alterego | The tablets don't have OpenGL |
| 17:42.13 | sciboy | They don't have hardware acceleration, but that's why there's slow as shit software rendering libraries. |
| 17:42.25 | amr | and i'm back |
| 17:42.42 | alterego | I don't think anyone's compiled mesa for maeom. |
| 17:42.44 | alterego | ~maemo |
| 17:42.45 | infobot | well, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 17:43.48 | sciboy | alterego, Oh... there's alternatives, one sec. |
| 17:44.29 | sciboy | alterego, http://forums.blendertestbuilds.de/viewtopic.php?t=24 |
| 17:44.34 | sciboy | Might find that interesting. |
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| 17:50.31 | eton | How to change maemo's UI fonts? Any GUI tool? |
| 17:52.38 | timelyx | ? |
| 17:52.43 | timelyx | you can replace the font files |
| 17:52.46 | timelyx | or modify them |
| 17:52.49 | alterego | sciboy, maybe you should talk to those guys then. |
| 17:53.16 | timelyx | eton: the hebrew for maemo wiki (?) explains how to modify them |
| 17:54.03 | eton | timelyx, thanks |
| 17:55.51 | rafl | zerojay: changing the channel doesn't seem to fix anything. |
| 17:56.06 | rafl | zerojay: also all other devices I own work well with that access point. |
| 17:56.46 | snowmoon | Hmm... I reflashed the device and it's still got my contacts I imported last time |
| 17:58.03 | snowmoon | Unless... does it pull them down from google? |
| 17:58.29 | timelyx | yes |
| 17:59.00 | timelyx | but how did it have your account info? |
| 17:59.04 | timelyx | did you add the account? |
| 17:59.11 | snowmoon | yes I added the accounts |
| 17:59.23 | timelyx | then yes, when you did that, it grabbed your contacts :) |
| 18:00.59 | snowmoon | Looks like I'm going to have to edit some of the aliases again |
| 18:01.06 | snowmoon | get those cleaned up |
| 18:01.35 | timelyx | use your web browser :) |
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| 18:18.54 | sciboy | So who here wants to port Blender? =D |
| 18:19.49 | suihkulokki | you could just make a debian/armel chroot and apt-get install blender there ;) |
| 18:22.20 | alterego | sciboy, sounds like something you could do. |
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| 18:34.40 | eton | timelyx, i think the page you mentioned is not available. |
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| 18:49.58 | BlueGene | hi to all :) |
| 18:52.28 | BlueGene | somebody speak Spanish? |
| 18:55.34 | alterego | `Hola |
| 18:55.37 | sp3000 | between 322 and 400 million people, natively |
| 18:55.51 | BlueGene | sp3000 thanks so much lol |
| 18:55.55 | alterego | Oh, I thought it was a request. |
| 18:56.00 | BlueGene | alterego hola |
| 18:56.04 | BlueGene | q tal? |
| 18:56.24 | alterego | I don't actuall know Spanish, sorry. |
| 18:56.47 | BlueGene | alterego where do you from? |
| 18:57.02 | alterego | England |
| 18:57.21 | BlueGene | I think the official channel language is English but I'd like to know if there is somebody of Spain |
| 18:57.34 | BlueGene | cool, I have family in Manchester |
| 18:57.45 | alterego | Do they speak Spanish in Brazil? |
| 18:57.45 | BlueGene | Knutsford really |
| 18:58.01 | BlueGene | they speak Portuguese |
| 18:58.12 | alterego | Ah, my mistake. |
| 18:58.19 | BlueGene | doesn't matter |
| 18:58.54 | BlueGene | I preffer the irc than the maililist |
| 18:59.01 | BlueGene | I preffer the irc than the mail list |
| 18:59.42 | alterego | Well, it has it's benifits and it's drawbacks. |
| 19:00.02 | BlueGene | like everything in this life |
| 19:00.42 | BlueGene | alterego where do you live in England? |
| 19:00.53 | alterego | Cambridge |
| 19:00.54 | _Monkey | Cambridge is a weird outer london IT haven too |
| 19:01.06 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:01.46 | alterego | Maybe some one should setup a TUG (tablet user group). |
| 19:01.51 | BlueGene | I was in Manchester, Knutsford, Chester and Blackpoll |
| 19:01.55 | BlueGene | Blackpool |
| 19:02.13 | alterego | Nice |
| 19:02.24 | amr | <- leeds |
| 19:02.32 | BlueGene | Chester is so nice |
| 19:02.46 | alterego | I've never been there |
| 19:02.49 | BlueGene | I live in Leon, at the north of Spain |
| 19:03.17 | BlueGene | alterego Chester is a nice town with lot of Roman ruins |
| 19:03.21 | alterego | I've never been to spain either. |
| 19:03.49 | alterego | Cambridge is a nice town/city with real roman buildings :) |
| 19:03.49 | BlueGene | The best season to came to Spain is the summer |
| 19:04.11 | BlueGene | alterego then I must go to Cambridge |
| 19:04.13 | alterego | It's one of the oldest architectural havens in the country I believe. |
| 19:04.13 | BlueGene | :) |
| 19:04.39 | alterego | Very scenic. Lots of grass and trees. |
| 19:04.47 | alterego | Not very big though, for a city. |
| 19:04.51 | BlueGene | like every England lol |
| 19:05.46 | BlueGene | I live in an old Roman city too |
| 19:06.27 | BlueGene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le?n%2C_Spain |
| 19:06.51 | alterego | Nice |
| 19:07.03 | BlueGene | the Cathedral is so beautiful |
| 19:07.15 | alterego | Talk to you soon |
| 19:07.30 | BlueGene | I hope, nice to meet you :) |
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| 19:51.02 | tko | alterego: I think xan expressed it quite nicely: http://xach.com/tmp/wip/motiv.html :) |
| 19:52.52 | alterego | Not when the segfaults are from glibc |
| 19:53.08 | alterego | I can't even apt-get install somethings without it segfaulting. |
| 19:53.21 | alterego | This has nothing to do with my code .. |
| 19:53.25 | timelyx | apt-get is buggy :) |
| 19:53.31 | tko | glibc is buggy |
| 19:53.34 | tko | qemu is buggy |
| 19:53.36 | timelyx | tko; that too :) |
| 19:53.38 | alterego | It's not just apt-get |
| 19:53.39 | tko | all software sucks |
| 19:53.49 | timelyx | tko: do you have access to swift from here? :) |
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| 19:54.07 | alterego | This is beyond buggy. What have nokia done to glibc2.5 ? |
| 19:54.21 | tko | timelyx: technically yes, practically I don't have securid with me :) |
| 19:54.29 | tko | so it might take a while |
| 19:54.31 | eton | timelyx, could you point me to the hebrew wiki? |
| 19:54.51 | eton | timelyx i googled but still can't find it. |
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| 19:58.06 | timelyx | eton: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/Hebrew ? |
| 19:58.11 | timelyx | how did you google? |
| 19:58.15 | timelyx | site:maemo.org hebrew |
| 19:59.02 | eton | timelyx "maemo hebrew" |
| 19:59.21 | eton | timelyx, thanks |
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| 20:07.48 | shackan | is it possible to use gcc4 in chinhook ? |
| 20:08.36 | shackan | (building it from gnuarm.org sources fails because of different abi version, and scratchbox does have gcc4, but only in apophis) |
| 20:08.58 | shackan | (i mean apophis r4) |
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| 20:16.29 | timely_changelog | :( |
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| 20:18.03 | alterego | shackan, update ? |
| 20:19.01 | shackan | alterego: sorry? |
| 20:19.32 | alterego | Why don't you update to r4? |
| 20:19.56 | tko | are you sure you really really want to know? :) |
| 20:20.05 | alterego | No, I don't think I do ;) |
| 20:20.07 | shackan | I have, but chinhook does not use gcc4 |
| 20:20.19 | alterego | Doesn't it? |
| 20:20.33 | shackan | gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) |
| 20:20.46 | alterego | Ah, so why do you want gcc4 anyway? |
| 20:21.15 | shackan | it seems what I'm trying to compile (LLVM) isn't happy with gcc 3 on arm |
| 20:23.06 | alterego | :/ |
| 20:23.28 | shackan | so, I've got http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz |
| 20:23.41 | alterego | uclibc .. |
| 20:23.46 | alterego | That's not right .. |
| 20:23.50 | shackan | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:23.53 | shackan | damn! |
| 20:24.24 | alterego | I'd look more into why it wont compile under gcc3 |
| 20:24.35 | shackan | link errors |
| 20:25.13 | shackan | hell, everytime I want to do anything with scratchbox I run into these sort of issue |
| 20:25.16 | shackan | *issues |
| 20:25.33 | alterego | This doesn't sound like an issue with scratchbox. |
| 20:25.47 | alterego | This sounds like an issue with whatever it is you're attempting to build. |
| 20:26.03 | shackan | ..to build, inside scratchbox :) |
| 20:26.19 | alterego | That is really beside the point shacken. |
| 20:26.40 | alterego | Youd have the exact same problem if you were compiling it on the device. |
| 20:26.59 | rafl | zerojay: wifi problem solved by increasing wlan_sleep_timeout via gconf. |
| 20:27.05 | shackan | yes, because it's stuck at gcc3 |
| 20:27.31 | alterego | No, it's because the software you're attempting to compile is buggy |
| 20:27.38 | alterego | Why should GCC versions matter? |
| 20:28.31 | rafl | because gcc has bugs and newer versions tend to fix those? |
| 20:28.35 | shackan | because gcc has its share of bugs |
| 20:29.09 | alterego | So you think the reason this package wont build is because of a GCC bug? |
| 20:29.25 | tko | or package bug |
| 20:29.53 | tko | in my experience bugs tend to be more common in the higher levels |
| 20:30.16 | shackan | alterego: if the same package builds on gcc4 and not on gcc3, then yes |
| 20:30.35 | alterego | shackan, that's a guess. |
| 20:30.40 | alterego | You don't know. |
| 20:30.54 | shackan | (mind you, only the arm version has this problem, gcc3.3 and 3.4 work on x86 and amd64) |
| 20:31.03 | alterego | Your time would be better spent sorting out the bug than attempting to build your own toolchain. |
| 20:31.03 | shackan | alterego: you neither, so what? |
| 20:31.37 | alterego | If I was in your shoes, I wouldn't be wasting my time guessing. |
| 20:31.39 | shackan | well, I assumed one could upgrade the compiler, sorry for wasting your time |
| 20:32.14 | alterego | That's okay :) I have plenty of time to waste. |
| 20:32.41 | shackan | you could try to help then :P |
| 20:32.49 | alterego | I can't even install chinook .. |
| 20:33.07 | shackan | great.. |
| 20:33.50 | alterego | apt-get keeps segfaulting when downloading packages under ARM. |
| 20:33.58 | alterego | It's not very fun. |
| 20:34.14 | alterego | There must be something I'm missing. |
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| 20:56.19 | macluvjay | wondering if there is anything to get home/end/pgup/pgdown for the new slim Apple Bluetooth Keybord |
| 20:56.36 | macluvjay | also, * that should be a tilde |
| 20:56.53 | macluvjay | hints, suggestions? |
| 20:57.36 | alterego | Ah, I think I've fixed it :) |
| 20:57.44 | macluvjay | other than this, Im in love with my n800 :) |
| 20:58.14 | alterego | You can remap your keyboard. |
| 20:58.38 | alterego | You can make up combos to do home/end/pup/pdwn' |
| 20:58.52 | alterego | Does it not have an extended function key? |
| 20:59.33 | macluvjay | function key doesnt do what id expect |
| 20:59.45 | alterego | Yeah, it'll need to be configured. |
| 20:59.53 | macluvjay | alterego: xmodmap or something? |
| 20:59.59 | alterego | That's the bunny :) |
| 21:00.09 | macluvjay | k, good |
| 21:00.12 | timely_changelog | anyone here have access to sardine? |
| 21:00.21 | macluvjay | do I need to install that extra? |
| 21:00.34 | alterego | macluvjay, not sure. |
| 21:00.40 | alterego | Probably |
| 21:02.03 | timely_changelog | tko: hey, this one is *your* fault |
| 21:02.48 | timely_changelog | it is? |
| 21:09.02 | zerojay | FCC confidentiality is up. |
| 21:09.02 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, zerojay. |
| 21:09.19 | zerojay | Can we ban the stupid bot already? |
| 21:09.51 | celesteh | _Monkey, forget FCC confidentiality |
| 21:09.51 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot fcc confidentiality |
| 21:09.52 | alterego | You can always ignore it zerojay |
| 21:10.05 | celesteh | _Monkey, FCC confidentiality is <reply> |
| 21:10.05 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 21:10.06 | zerojay | Yeah, but it shouldn't be here anyways. |
| 21:10.19 | alterego | Why shouldn't it? |
| 21:10.20 | celesteh | it's sometimes helpful |
| 21:10.45 | celesteh | anyway, when it says somethng stupid, you can remove that thing from it's DB |
| 21:11.11 | zerojay | It's annoying as hell and it's quite rare that it says anything even remotely helpful... nothing that you wouldn't have found quicker with a google search. |
| 21:11.31 | zerojay | At least it doesn't talk on its own. |
| 21:11.38 | alterego | Just ignore it zerojay. |
| 21:11.56 | celesteh | it often has the canonical answer and can be very handy for tracking down applications |
| 21:12.22 | celesteh | _Monkey, celesteh is a handsome devil |
| 21:12.22 | _Monkey | ...but celesteh is back to celesteh's pre-red pill glory... |
| 21:12.38 | celesteh | _Monkey, forget celesteh |
| 21:12.39 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot celesteh |
| 21:12.49 | celesteh | _Monkey, celesteh is a handsome devil |
| 21:12.49 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 21:12.53 | celesteh | vanity |
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| 21:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey is a joke. |
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| 21:52.07 | alterego | Hmm .. Rails on the N810 probably makes sense I guess .. |
| 21:52.26 | rafl | erm.. why? |
| 21:52.37 | alterego | Thumb board |
| 21:52.52 | rafl | -v? |
| 21:53.00 | alterego | Sorry? |
| 21:53.38 | rafl | can you be more verbose about Thumb board? |
| 21:53.57 | alterego | The thumb board on the N810. |
| 21:54.27 | alterego | Having a dedicated hardware keyboard would make writing programs a lot easier on the actual device. |
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| 21:56.30 | rafl | did I get things wrong or isn't that related to rails at all? |
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| 22:03.32 | rafl | this takes ages.. |
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| 22:05.59 | rafl | i guess normal bluetooth keyboards will work with this tablets just fine, won't they? |
| 22:06.24 | timely_changelog | we test w/ microsoft bluetooth keyboards |
| 22:09.48 | rafl | i actually thought about getting something smaller and more portable, but i suppose they all work the same anyway |
| 22:10.16 | rafl | just starting hidd shoul do the trick.. |
| 22:10.34 | timely_changelog | w/ usb there are two ways keyboards can work |
| 22:10.42 | timely_changelog | i'm not sure if bt is the same |
| 22:10.54 | rafl | which ways? |
| 22:10.57 | timely_changelog | but one would hope there are a limited number of confused standards |
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| 22:13.08 | rafl | i once used my mobile and my wii remote as hid devices via bluetooth on my desktop and it worked fairly well with bluez' hidd. |
| 22:13.29 | rafl | maemo also uses bluez, right? |
| 22:13.39 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 22:14.03 | timely_changelog | OHCI and UCHI |
| 22:14.13 | timely_changelog | that was fun |
| 22:14.21 | timely_changelog | yes, maemo uses bluez |
| 22:15.07 | timely_changelog | oh, cute, for usb2 they created EHCI |
| 22:16.19 | rafl | so everything should be fine if the keyboard behaves like a hid device |
| 22:16.50 | rafl | and i'm not aware of any keyboard that doesn't |
| 22:21.40 | BlueGene | I like so much this irc channels, you can learn so many things :) |
| 22:22.26 | BlueGene | but it's saturday night, we must go out :P |
| 22:23.16 | BlueGene | I read there is rumors about 3G N810 |
| 22:23.44 | ptman | well now there certainly are |
| 22:24.24 | BlueGene | cool, we are like Apple ! :P |
| 22:24.37 | BlueGene | rumors and more rumors |
| 22:24.57 | zerojay | When do we start masturbating? |
| 22:25.08 | rafl | we can go out and still do irc! after all we have some very portable and irc capable devices :-) |
| 22:25.18 | BlueGene | rafl lol |
| 22:26.22 | BlueGene | zerojay first we must contract tunw.com domain and write so many stupid rumors on it |
| 22:26.41 | BlueGene | (the unofficial nokia weblog) |
| 22:26.48 | ptman | HAMs consider it rude (at least some of them) to be on the radio under the influence |
| 22:26.56 | ptman | thankfully, IRC doesn't suffer from that |
| 22:26.58 | zerojay | It would be better to make a fake Apple rumors site. |
| 22:27.13 | rafl | uhm.. wanted to register a project called perl at garage.m.o, but it tells me that unix name is already taken although the search doesn't bring up anything on that.. wtf? |
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| 22:27.22 | ptman | zerojay: there probably is one already |
| 22:27.43 | zerojay | ptman: Probably, but it would be fun anyways as a social experiment. |
| 22:27.44 | BlueGene | zerojay another? google has an entire cluster lab only for this type of sites :O |
| 22:27.48 | zerojay | See how far your rumor goes. |
| 22:27.53 | rafl | garage people around? |
| 22:28.47 | BlueGene | who likes to be the new steve jobs? |
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| 22:30.21 | rafl | i just want to have his salary |
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| 22:31.47 | BlueGene | zerojay can you give a spech with a gadget in one hand and your ego in the another hand? |
| 22:32.49 | zerojay | Heh. |
| 22:33.26 | BlueGene | please remember that you said something about to start masturbating |
| 22:33.44 | zerojay | Yeah, that would help to hold anything up. |
| 22:35.14 | rafl | heh.. #maemo++ |
| 22:35.21 | BlueGene | it could be so cool. the next steve job's keynote will be steve jobs masturbate |
| 22:36.19 | zerojay | And there would be thousands of Apple fanboys fighting to be the one to catch his jizz as it flew off the stage. |
| 22:36.37 | BlueGene | with his black sweater |
| 22:38.26 | timely_changelog | rafl: someone ried to register perl not too long ago |
| 22:39.03 | timely_changelog | specifically, Oct 19 |
| 22:39.21 | timely_changelog | it's currently pending |
| 22:39.26 | timely_changelog | Registration Application: |
| 22:39.30 | timely_changelog | The maemo community needs a central point for coordinating and documenting cross-compilation and testing of perl and CPAN modules. |
| 22:39.56 | timely_changelog | Short Description: Perl interpreter and CPAN extensions. |
| 22:40.49 | timely_changelog | rafl: unfortunately, i'm not sure how much information i should be sharing |
| 22:41.22 | timely_changelog | so you'll have to ask ferenc or someone else for contact info |
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| 22:44.49 | rafl | timely_changelog: why isn't this project approved yet? |
| 22:45.07 | rafl | ferenc/ |
| 22:47.14 | rafl | s!/!?! |
| 22:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | I don't understand people who want the tablet to be a phone. |
| 22:48.08 | rafl | isn't it already? it has speakers, a microphone, a camera, bluetooth and wifi.. |
| 22:48.16 | rafl | all you need, imho. |
| 22:48.24 | BlueGene | lol |
| 22:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | i.e. +cellular modem |
| 22:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | s/modem/radio |
| 22:48.58 | rafl | then I can't understand that either.. :-) |
| 22:49.20 | timely_changelog | rafl: well, i depends on what kind of battery life you expect out of your phone |
| 22:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | If people want an iPhone, they ought to just buy an iPhone, not try and ruin my beautiful ITs. |
| 22:49.35 | rafl | timely_changelog: agreed |
| 22:49.35 | timely_changelog | my old nokias from 2001/2002 had something like 1week idle |
| 22:50.26 | rafl | timely_changelog: who shall I try to contact wrt to information on that perl project? |
| 22:50.50 | BlueGene | GeneralAntilles I think 3G conection is important |
| 22:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | I have a phone with 3g |
| 22:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Works great. |
| 22:51.39 | BlueGene | In Spain the problem isn't the phones, it's the price of the conection :P |
| 22:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | $20/month with AT&T here. |
| 22:52.20 | BlueGene | we don't have offers like that |
| 22:52.22 | rafl | GeneralAntilles: ditto in .de. |
| 22:53.09 | |tbb1 | when do u guys think nokia pull out a wimax it out, is it worth to wait then buying a 810 now? |
| 22:53.40 | shackan | |tbb1: do you have wimax coverage in your area ? |
| 22:54.05 | BlueGene | it's a good question :P |
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| 22:54.57 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: $100 for 100MB in Canada. |
| 22:55.12 | BlueGene | GeneralAntilles do you have some data restriction or something like that? |
| 22:55.13 | zerojay | iPhone = $800. |
| 22:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, we've been over the finer points of your awesome data access up there, zerojay. :P |
| 22:55.45 | |tbb1 | whats a wimax coverage? i was thinking having a wimax router at home i can surf near some kilometres. am iam wrong# |
| 22:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | BlueGene, yes and no. |
| 22:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | I've heard reports of one |
| 22:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | but I've never actually hit it. |
| 22:56.27 | BlueGene | GeneralAntilles could you explain me your line " <GeneralAntilles> Yes, we've been over the finer points of your awesome data access up there, zerojay. :P", please? |
| 22:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | We've discussed the crappy data access in Canada before. |
| 22:57.11 | BlueGene | ok, thanks, my English is no good |
| 22:57.28 | BlueGene | here I can practise it |
| 22:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | :) |
| 22:57.49 | BlueGene | I'd like that you correct me if I say something wrong :) |
| 22:59.52 | zerojay | |tbb1: There are WiMax modems. Almost all the major ISPs here in Canada have a WiMax offering now. |
| 22:59.52 | shackan | |tbb1: I don't know if they're cheap enough for domestic use |
| 23:00.07 | BlueGene | In Spain, 60 euros/month 1Gb of data transfer |
| 23:01.00 | BlueGene | GeneralAntilles you can install the emule in your iPhone :P |
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| 23:01.53 | |tbb1 | anyone knows if the wlan chip on n810 the same as on 800 |
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| 23:07.32 | BlueGene | <|tbb1 |
| 23:07.45 | BlueGene | I don't know but I'm searching it |
| 23:08.33 | zerojay | The FCC confidentiality stuff is up, so check there. |
| 23:09.01 | |tbb1 | the what |
| 23:09.34 | rafl | i wonder if the clutter library would run on maemo |
| 23:10.36 | zerojay | rafl: Considering Karoliina is posting stuff about clutter over the last few days, I'd imagine. |
| 23:10.55 | BlueGene | I think it's the same chip |
| 23:11.16 | zerojay | Check thoughtfix's dmesg |
| 23:11.27 | BlueGene | good idea |
| 23:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | Man, mediaserv is the best. |
| 23:13.20 | rafl | zerojay: posting where? |
| 23:13.51 | zerojay | Planet. |
| 23:13.53 | BlueGene | http://thoughtfix.com/tabletblog/dmesg.txt |
| 23:13.55 | BlueGene | here |
| 23:14.04 | BlueGene | and much more stuff |
| 23:14.23 | BlueGene | http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/hacker-questions.html |
| 23:14.29 | BlueGene | this is the entire psot |
| 23:14.30 | BlueGene | post |
| 23:14.31 | |tbb1 | k same driver cx3110x |
| 23:14.52 | BlueGene | [ 0.726562] drivers/usb/net/rtl8150.c: rtl8150 based usb-ethernet driver v0.6.2 (2004/08/27) |
| 23:14.53 | BlueGene | [ 0.726562] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8150 |
| 23:16.32 | BlueGene | it's the same driver but it can be not the same device |
| 23:17.18 | timely_changelog | fcc ... |
| 23:17.41 | BlueGene | http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/look-inside-n810.html#links |
| 23:17.57 | BlueGene | timely_changelog I think that you say this link |
| 23:18.03 | BlueGene | http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/look-inside-n810.html#links |
| 23:18.11 | zerojay | No. |
| 23:18.13 | zerojay | FCC. |
| 23:18.30 | BlueGene | this? https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233495&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-44%27 |
| 23:22.18 | BlueGene | |tbb1 why do you like to know it?? |
| 23:23.11 | |tbb1 | looking 4ward for an atheros based wlan chip ;) |
| 23:24.06 | BlueGene | I can write in the mail list but I think that all people that can answer me is here |
| 23:25.35 | rafl | zerojay: actually those blog posts don't say anything about maemo, do they? |
| 23:26.06 | zerojay | Well, they have to be showing up on Planet for a reason. |
| 23:26.48 | BlueGene | rafl It don't say anything about maemo but I think it's relacionated |
| 23:27.15 | BlueGene | it's a dmesg!!! lol |
| 23:27.43 | BlueGene | no maemo no dmesg |
| 23:27.47 | rafl | zerojay: because his blog is listed on the planet? or is there any filtering done? |
| 23:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | Do it. |
| 23:28.47 | *** join/#maemo sciboy (n=sciboy@124-171-244-32.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:28.59 | BlueGene | I think it's filtering |
| 23:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody who know's what they're doing should be using 2007HE, anyway. |
| 23:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | and 2008HE is all but confirmed. |
| 23:29.40 | alterego | Yeah |
| 23:30.00 | alterego | But what about the people that don't know what they're doing> |
| 23:30.04 | alterego | You know .. users .. |
| 23:30.07 | rafl | so i apparently don't know what i'm doing :-/ |
| 23:30.16 | alterego | ;) |
| 23:30.19 | pupnik_ | save the users! think of the users! |
| 23:30.24 | zerojay | alterego: The same ones that wouldn't know how to install your program to begin with? |
| 23:31.05 | BlueGene | I think you're a bit unhappy with something/somebody.... |
| 23:31.18 | alterego | :) |
| 23:31.27 | rafl | in fact i haven't ever heared of that.. but otoh i got a tablet link three days ago. |
| 23:31.42 | alterego | tablet link? |
| 23:32.18 | rafl | eh? |
| 23:32.30 | alterego | You said it. |
| 23:33.44 | rafl | whops |
| 23:34.01 | BlueGene | lol |
| 23:34.06 | rafl | that should have been 'like' |
| 23:34.26 | BlueGene | what is otoh? |
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| 23:34.45 | rafl | i'm new to this onscreen keyboard, you know? :-) |
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| 23:35.12 | rafl | BlueGene: abbr. for on the other hand |
| 23:35.24 | BlueGene | thanks so much :) |
| 23:35.32 | BlueGene | rafl where are you from? |
| 23:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | N800 went down again |
| 23:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | $218 on buy |
| 23:35.49 | rafl | BlueGene: .de |
| 23:36.00 | BlueGene | you're so near |
| 23:36.08 | BlueGene | 20 euros with ryanair |
| 23:36.11 | rafl | GeneralAntilles: got mine for 150 EUR |
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| 23:36.56 | rafl | BlueGene: if there was an airport around here.. |
| 23:36.56 | alterego | N800 for 150 EUR? |
| 23:37.11 | BlueGene | 150 euros = 218 dollars :P |
| 23:37.27 | |tbb1 | rafl: where u have buyed it, used or new |
| 23:37.44 | BlueGene | I say ebay |
| 23:37.54 | rafl | uh.. i was thinking eur.. |
| 23:38.38 | BlueGene | rafl me too, but I remember that euro is so higher than dollar, then I caught my calc and ..... |
| 23:39.00 | rafl | |tbb1: a friend bought a new one like 4 weeks ago and then wanted to have an ipod touch instead |
| 23:39.10 | pupnik | N800 in germany costs 1.7 times the n800 in usa (based on amazon prices) |
| 23:39.23 | rafl | so its almost as new, but not quite |
| 23:39.45 | |tbb1 | good 4 u |
| 23:39.54 | pupnik | With these exchange rates, it is hard to see how nokia makes profit in USA |
| 23:40.15 | sciboy | pupnik, Your nickname keeps popping up when ever I mention games. |
| 23:40.24 | BlueGene | I suscribed me to the developer program, I didn't suscribe in the 770 and N800 developer programs |
| 23:40.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:40.53 | alterego | I attempted to join the developer program for the 770 but got denied. |
| 23:41.08 | alterego | Didn't bother with the N800 |
| 23:41.08 | rafl | pupnik: with europeans buying things in .us because they are way cheaper there? :-) |
| 23:41.11 | pupnik | oh sciboy there is a blender subproject for pdas |
| 23:41.31 | sciboy | pupnik, Blenderpocket? |
| 23:41.40 | pupnik | forgot the name |
| 23:41.51 | |tbb1 | whats blender |
| 23:41.51 | _Monkey | somebody said blender was meant for desktop hardware. Not mobile hardware. |
| 23:42.18 | BlueGene | two friends of me joined the developer program for the 770 and they had the tablet but I don't know how, because I think they only send an email saying "I know to program, I'd like one" |
| 23:42.19 | sciboy | |tbb1, 3D application for everything including the kitchen sink. |
| 23:42.19 | pupnik | it's a 3d modeleing program |
| 23:42.40 | sciboy | |tbb1, http://www.blender.org |
| 23:43.14 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 23:43.34 | alterego | I have a feeling I got denied because I've never been a part of any open source project. |
| 23:43.37 | BlueGene | I have my hope on the developer program :) |
| 23:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | Why in the world would anybody want to use Blender on a PDA? :\ |
| 23:43.48 | |tbb1 | 4 me it dont make sense running it on a tablet |
| 23:43.51 | BlueGene | alterego like my friends :P |
| 23:44.09 | alterego | Hopefully ruby-maemo will tip the scales in my favour and I'll get accepted into the next one :) |
| 23:44.25 | sciboy | |tbb1, 4 me, it features a very easy to use game engine that would allow me to really lay back and focus on content. |
| 23:44.44 | alterego | It would certainly be nice to write some location aware apps. |
| 23:45.05 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, -> Game engine <- |
| 23:45.14 | BlueGene | I'd like to develop some wifi and gps applications |
| 23:45.16 | zerojay | alterego: If you're visible in the community, I don't see how you wouldn't get accepted. |
| 23:45.21 | zerojay | 500 discounts.. |
| 23:45.25 | |tbb1 | sciboy: way 2 go |
| 23:45.34 | pupnik | I doubt the blender game engine is usable on a tablet |
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| 23:45.44 | BlueGene | but It be cool if I have the tablet lol |
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| 23:46.29 | alterego | I dunno, 500 may seem like a lot but I don't really know the scale of the maemo community. |
| 23:46.34 | sciboy | pupnik, In what way? |
| 23:46.57 | pupnik | performance |
| 23:47.05 | alterego | Sure it seems quite small but nokia have to be making something from them if they're continuing the development of the platform .. |
| 23:47.08 | zerojay | I wouldn't say there are that many active. |
| 23:48.06 | sciboy | pupnik, I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to do super-low-poly work on non-float software rendering, the physics is more of a concern but what ever. |
| 23:48.11 | zerojay | I'd imagine you'd see the top bloggers get them.. the same ones that were invited to the latest shindig.. maybe the top 10 or 20 (known, quality) posters on ITT, maybe 10 or 20 most active/helpful bugzilla users... |
| 23:48.44 | zerojay | timely_changelog: Found another text bug? |
| 23:48.48 | sciboy | pupnik, Oh and that's assuming it's pixel doubled. |
| 23:49.14 | alterego | It seemed like they were orienting the program at new comers too. |
| 23:49.24 | alterego | I suppose I'm actually a new comer :) |
| 23:49.35 | alterego | I've only had my tablet for about 2 months. |
| 23:49.36 | zerojay | Well, being a dev and all sure should help. |
| 23:49.48 | rafl | aww.. dropbear-client sessions always seem to hang after a short period of being idle.. |
| 23:50.05 | alterego | Meh, dropbear sucks :P |
| 23:50.09 | rafl | what might be wrong here? |
| 23:50.11 | alterego | openssh ftw |
| 23:50.19 | rafl | shall i use openssh? |
| 23:50.28 | alterego | If you like. |
| 23:50.35 | alterego | It's certainly more functional. |
| 23:50.58 | rafl | aww.. i should get faster on this onscreen keyboard.. :-) |
| 23:51.28 | rafl | aye.. will try openssh-client now. |
| 23:52.27 | alterego | If you install the server you can get root access and use sshfs like all the cool kids. |
| 23:53.29 | alterego | I'll tell you what else is cool. SSH'ing to you development machine, sshfs mounting your tablet and developing programs, compiling them and testing them in the bath. |
| 23:53.48 | sciboy | pupnik, The game logic would have to be kept under close scrutiny and modularisation but really, none of that would get in the way of game dev. |
| 23:54.27 | rafl | i did get root access, but i used dropbear-server. |
| 23:54.35 | alterego | sciboy, have you tried talking to the guy that's been working on the port? |
| 23:54.45 | sciboy | I assume there is no port right now. |
| 23:55.17 | alterego | What about the person that wrote the forum post saying he'd got it working on his tablet? |
| 23:55.43 | rafl | alterego: everything you can do in the bath with your tablet is cool! |
| 23:55.53 | sciboy | That's already two years old, only a test and he didn't do much to get it working. |
| 23:56.00 | alterego | :) |
| 23:56.22 | alterego | That's probably a good thing .. |
| 23:56.27 | rafl | also.. have we started masturbating yet? |
| 23:56.29 | sciboy | Yes it is. |
| 23:56.45 | BlueGene | three times! |
| 23:56.51 | alterego | So why don't you try and get it working rafl? |
| 23:56.54 | sciboy | rafl, Since when did we ever stop? |
| 23:57.17 | BlueGene | lol |
| 23:58.22 | rafl | alterego: i guess i do have it working already. |
| 23:58.35 | sciboy | The opengl rendering I have no doubt would be fine, but when you start taxing on the demands of game logic and physics, I'm not sure 400mhz will do it without an FPU. |
| 23:58.40 | alterego | Sorry rafl, I meant sciboy ;) |
| 23:58.50 | BlueGene | this masturbating party is remembering me that my girlfriend will go to Poland tomorrow for a week |
| 23:59.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:59.13 | sciboy | alterego, Because I wouldn't be able to maintain a port. |
| 23:59.34 | alterego | Why not? |
| 23:59.56 | BlueGene | me too, I must finish my computer engineer degree in december |